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When I was a kid in the 1960s, blacks were constantly portrayed in the media as confidently innovating, moving forward, inventing new styles, trying out new roles.

Today, the media portrays blacks as timid, fearful, weighed down by the burdens of centuries, under the control of past ages’ injustices, living museum relics unable to move under their own volition, a race caught hopelessly in a malign web spun hundreds (but not thousands!) of years ago.

For example, NYT columnist Charles Blow writes:

Of Museums and Racial Relics
MAY 11, 2015

Recently, Rush Limbaugh lambasted the first lady, Michelle Obama, for bringing up the idea of diversity among museum visitors at the opening of the new Whitney Museum in New York.

According to Limbaugh, the first lady said: “Museums and concert halls just don’t welcome nonwhite visitors — especially children — the way they welcome white people.”

What the first lady actually said was:

“You see, there are so many kids in this country who look at places like museums and concert halls and other cultural centers and they think to themselves, well, that’s not a place for me, for someone who looks like me, for someone who comes from my neighborhood. In fact, I guarantee you that right now, there are kids living less than a mile from here who would never in a million years dream that they would be welcome in this museum.”

Then, she went on to laud the Whitney for its efforts at inclusion and diversity: “And with this inaugural exhibition, the Whitney is really sending the same message to young people and to people of every background across this country. You’re telling them that their story is part of the American story, and that they deserve to be seen. And you’re sending that message not just with the art you display, but with the educational programming you run here. You’re reaching out to kids from all backgrounds, exposing them to the arts, showing them that they have something to contribute.”

What a brilliant new idea! It’s too, too tragic that never until 2015 did it ever dawn on any museum to engage in outreach to today’s youth via the school system. Maybe in this better future Mrs. Obama is helping bring about, schools will start holding field trips to museums.

… A 2010 report by the Center for the Future of Museums (an initiative of the American Association of Museums) found that:

“African-Americans and Latinos have notably lower rates of museum attendance than white Americans. Why is that so? In part, it is the legacy of historic discrimination. A summary study of S.P.P.A. [Survey of Public Participation in the Arts] data from the 1980s on white and black attendance at arts events concluded that the measurable difference in participation could be tied to ‘subtle forms of exclusion.’ ”

The report cited data that shows “historic patterns of segregation and exclusion as one reason that fewer African-American families instill museum-going habits in their young children. More recent studies have identified a distinct cultural psychology among African-Americans, rooted in historical and social experience, which has produced heightened sensitivity to stereotypes and real or perceived racism.”

So, if I’m reading this right, it implies that our culture should try to desensitize African-Americans to perceptions of stereotypes and racism. But I must be reading this wrong because it sure sounds like the Great and the Good have been trying hard to do the opposite.

… And this isn’t only Limbaugh’s view. This is the view of many Americans, whether they tune in to Limbaugh or not.

Obama’s sin, using this line of logic, is that he failed to undo the system of oppression that he had no hand in constructing. It is that 400 years of damage was not undone in two terms. It is that he didn’t encourage silence about inequity so that its benefactors could enjoy the cumulative fruit of centuries of racial graft without current-day guilt.

They wanted some mythical receipt of satisfaction of the debt. Let bygones be bygones. All is forgotten and forgiven. Clean slate. Fresh start.

If only it were that simple. But it’s not. This whole line of reasoning is racial claptrap.

… America must face the fact that the electorate is an of-the-moment entity, but racial oppression is an of-the-ages monstrosity. It is a resilient relic. And it was never within Obama’s capacity to dismantle it. This structure must be demolished by its architects.

 
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  1. • Replies: @Hrw-500
    Thanks for sharing this link. In case if this blog post dissapear, here the link to the archived copy stored at the Internet archive. https://web.archive.org/web/20150509005541/https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/comment-of-the-week-a-post-white-world/
  2. Blacks were doomed the second American society no longer attempted to enforce white standards of behavior on them, which of course led to the casual bastardy, rampant crime, etc. we have seen from them since.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Or its just regression to the collective mean.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Incarceration rates have risen significantly among whites too since the 1980s. For whites, the incarceration rate for men aged 20-34 was 0.6 percent in 1980 and 1.8 percent in 2010. For blacks, the incarceration rate rose from 5.2 percent to 11.4 percent in the same time period.

    What remains constant is the roughly one standard (~0.9) deviation gap in incarceration rates between the races.

    It'd be interesting to figure out why the incarceration rate rose so much for both races since 1980, after having historically been fairly low for most of American history.

    , @Paul Mendez
    I grew up in Washington DC during the 60's. It is my impression that the black kids I went to school with were a lot "whiter" back then. We had the same names, wore the same kinds of clothes, played the same sports, watched the same TV shows, listened to much the same music and had a lot of the same heroes.

    I was actually more comfortable around most black kids than I was around "Grits" -- the children of West Virginians who migrated to DC after WW2. Grits wore different clothes (like blue jeans with rolled cuffs), greased their hair, had funny names like "Johnny Ray," and listened to hillbilly music. In the early 60s, blacks were still somewhat in awe of my whiteness, and most treated me with a little deference. The Grits weren't afraid to beat me - or them - up.

    Today, Grits have assimilated into white culture, while blacks have diverged into a completely new culture with their own names, clothes, entertainment and values. While going to a mostly black school in the 60s definitely had its drawbacks, it wasn't the shear hell it is for white kids today.
    , @jack shindo
    What is this bogus thin called "white standards of behaviour"? Is it stealing native American land without paying rent or just compensation for property stolen, or equality for some but not for the rest. Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!
  3. Perhaps Mr. Blow could have brought Mr. Obama’s inability to heal racial divides in America to our attention – oh, seven years or so ago?

    I wonder if he’ll take a break from his full time job of special racial pleading in order to inform us now of Mrs. Clinton’s ability to remediate tens of thousands of years of Patriarchal oppression, or whether we have to wait well into her second term to find out that the first uterine American President was similarly powerless?

  4. >but racial oppression is an of-the-ages monstrosity. It is a resilient relic. And it was never within Obama’s capacity to dismantle it. This structure must be demolished by its architects.<

    sure chuck let's start at the beginning:

    -Anthony Johnson (colonist)

    Occupation Farmer
    Known for The most prominent black former indentured servant to acquire freedom, wealth, and slaves.

    Anthony Johnson (b. c. 1600 – d. 1670) was an Angolan who achieved freedom in the early 17th century Colony of Virginia, where he became one of the first black property owners and slaveholders. –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_%28colonist%29

  5. What a timely post, since quite recently a group of black students attempting to tour the Guggenheim were, depending who you ask, informed that they must leave the museum earlier than their planned time of departure, owing to acting like a bunch of assholes…

    http://gothamist.com/2015/05/10/rowdy_brooklyn_high_school_banned-f.php

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    I know a guy who was homeless/schizophrenic for a couple of decades. During that time he worked at a museum, handling and cataloging exhibits. His behavior must have been pretty good.
  6. Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/dundalk-man-violently-beaten-by-group-of-teens/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/dundalk-man-violently-beaten-by-group-of-teens/"

    If thugs is code for the N word, than lately it also seems that youths and teens are code for the N word whenever a crime takes place.
    , @fish

    Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:
     
    Hah...that's nothing in Texas black teens are fighting back against black....err ...some other kind of.... privilege....yeah privilege.

    http://defund.com/african-mob-brutally-lynches-teen-for-being-a-race-traitor-in-texas/
    , @anony
    comments below are pretty extreme
  7. The Guggenheim museum in New York has been accused of racism after allegedly banning a mostly-black high school after students reportedly spat and threw objects from a staircase.

    …A spokesman for the museum told MailOnline the group were not appropriately supervised and had put the museum’s visitors, staff and artwork at risk by ‘touching artwork and throwing objects from the ramps.’

    …Gallery worker Asha Walker said: ‘It was pretty much the first group of black kids I have ever seen there.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3076355/Guggenheim-museum-accused-racism-banning-black-high-school-life-rowdy.html

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    See now, Museums aren't welcoming to the more kinetic youthful African American cultural experience. They really ought to add exhibits with hoops and objets d'art which can be safely thrown through them.
  8. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Blacks were doomed the second American society no longer attempted to enforce white standards of behavior on them, which of course led to the casual bastardy, rampant crime, etc. we have seen from them since.

    Or its just regression to the collective mean.

  9. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I always like to monitor demographics when visiting museums. At the Huntington Library in San Marino, the split is always around 50/50 white/Asian. LA County Museum of Art – a museum placed squarely in the middle of millions of hispanics – the split is about 60/35 with 5% all others. One time I oversaw a family speaking Spanish at LACMA; they were, naturally, from Barcelona.

  10. @Charles Tunata

    The Guggenheim museum in New York has been accused of racism after allegedly banning a mostly-black high school after students reportedly spat and threw objects from a staircase.

    ...A spokesman for the museum told MailOnline the group were not appropriately supervised and had put the museum's visitors, staff and artwork at risk by 'touching artwork and throwing objects from the ramps.'

    ...Gallery worker Asha Walker said: 'It was pretty much the first group of black kids I have ever seen there.
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3076355/Guggenheim-museum-accused-racism-banning-black-high-school-life-rowdy.html

    See now, Museums aren’t welcoming to the more kinetic youthful African American cultural experience. They really ought to add exhibits with hoops and objets d’art which can be safely thrown through them.

  11. Blacks love to hyphenate names, so call it the Whitney-Houston Museum and there will be a line of brothers and sisters out the door. There already exists a museum devotedly solely to African American history, the Charles H. Wright Museum of African American history in Detroit The museum has existed for fifty years and has been kept afloat by donations from racist whites. Well at least Mr. Blow thinks all whites are racists.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    I wonder who keeps the DuSable Museum in Chicago afloat? http://www.dusablemuseum.org/
  12. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Is every NAM in the country going to get their 15 minutes of hate publicized between now and the end of The Great Uniter’s term? If it were only gum flapping I could ignore it. The violence is another thing. I am hoping the people inciting this will back down and the more excitable whites will ride this out. And that the only backlash will be a GOP president and congress.
    And I will be so glad when FLOTUS is off the national stage. So much anger and resentment. Think how pissed she would be if she weren’t the most famous and privileged woman in the country?

  13. Also see Michelle Obama’s comments today.

    There is a tremendous amount of dislike of black people and black culture.

    There are even a lot of racists out here, who have some sort of psychological hangup and hate black people and feel they are inferior.

    There is almost no “structural racism”. On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks.

    On the other side, you have the NBA.

    We do live in an economy and world where little differences start to add up.

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    "There is almost no “structural racism”. On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks."

    Will Smith would like to have a word with you.

    I'm not even a movie buff and I can think of several movies where he was the leading man. The superhero movie where he plays a "normal guy" superhero who likes to drink, the movie where he is one of the last survivors in a zombie apocalypse, all of the MiB movies, that one with his kid where they travel to an overgrown earth and I'm sure several others. Like I said, I don't really watch movies and I can't remember their names, but even I can come up with several examples.
    , @donut
    "There is a tremendous amount of dislike of black people and black culture."

    What a mystery .
  14. How about if the blacks who run the schools filled with black students bus them down to the museum in the black run town?

  15. @Wyrd
    Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/dundalk-man-violently-beaten-by-group-of-teens/

    “Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/dundalk-man-violently-beaten-by-group-of-teens/&#8221;

    If thugs is code for the N word, than lately it also seems that youths and teens are code for the N word whenever a crime takes place.

  16. I’d like to give Blow the benefit of the doubt, but seriously he comes off as not that bright in every column he writes (that I’ve read). Good thing he has white privilege working for him.

    PS Where are the charts?

    • Replies: @e
    Blow has black + gay privilege working for him--a 2-fer for both him and the NYTimes.

    Oh, that's right, he said he's "BI-sexual." Sure. A few kids produced when he was young with a poor wife he used as a beard. A guy who'll do that to a woman doesn't exactly convince me he's an honest man.
  17. According to the Pew Research Center:

    In the year 2013, 82% of Blacks and 76% of Whites read at least one book.

    In the year 2013, the mean number of books read by Blacks was 12 and by Whites was 13.

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/

    That’s not a big racial difference in the quantity of reading. Maybe there’s a big difference in the quality of reading. (And maybe people lie about how much they read.)

    I suppose, though, that the people who visit museums are generally people who read a lot more than a book a month. I would guess that museum visitors read on the order of a book a week, and they read largely non-fiction.

    People who have not developed much intellectual context in history, science and art do not appreciate museum exhibits much.

    • Replies: @Harold
    We already know there is a big difference in lying on surveys in other circumstances.
    , @Lot
    People lie when asked questions like that. Political pollsters routinely find more than 80% of people claim to have voted in the last election, when in fact it is about half for presidential elections and lower in others.

    Surveys of church attendance also find people greatly exaggerate how often they attend service.

    If you want the true demographics of book buyers, check out where book stores are located.
    , @International Jew

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.
     
    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.
    , @pyrrhus
    I'm sure that Pew is conflating whites and hispanics, and probably lying about the black numbers...since American blacks have an average IQ of 85, claiming they read almost as many books as those with IQ 100+ is pretty preposterous...
  18. This is all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Black people are utterly, completely doomed. They just don’t know it yet.

    A Hispanic Majority America, seemingly baked in the cake, is going to treat Blacks like they treat Blacks in … Mexico. That is, back of the line and back of the bus. La Raza already knows they are “the cosmic race” and won’t tolerate this sort of thing any more then they do in Mexico City or East LA. Two places not especially known for special privileges for Black people.

    A Chinese oligarchy America, which is where we are headed as well, will have even LESS use for Black people than Hispanics do at present. Black people live in desirable real estate that most Chinese oligarchs figure would be better off being owned by THEM than say, Crips or Bloods followers. South Central, Harlem, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland, all are going to get purged of Black people sooner or later.

    Meanwhile every last centavo of White middle/working class money will be extracted not for Black people but the Hispanic Wave from Mexico/Central America. Making Black labor along with increased mechanization, robotics, due to Moore’s Law, not just worthless but having negative worth. Why hire a Black person when a robot will be much cheaper, and there is a ton of immigrant Latino labor?

    In short, no welfare (going all to Latinos, that’s spoils ethnic politics 101), no labor value, no living in any desirable city at all. The future of Black people is akin to that of Whites in Rhodesia. Not particularly bright and nothing much they can do to avoid it.

  19. The North Carolina museum of art has a picture of a black woman holding a white woman’s decapitated head. I think it helps black people feel welcome.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_11.15.jpg
  20. “subtle forms of exclusion” and “micro aggressions” may I be the first to suggest that racism may exist at the sub atomic level and perhaps the CERN Large Hadron Collider should be tasked to look into it.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    "racism may exist at the sub atomic level and perhaps the CERN Large Hadron Collider should be tasked to look into it."

    Makes sense. They are looking for "Dark Matter" aren't they?
    , @BayAreaBill
    That's funny. I laughed out loud.
  21. I have found plays and concerts to be Muslim-free zones. Now if only someone could bottle it. . .

  22. The problem is really three fold. On the one hand, many black youths are not taught that Euro-American culture is “their” culture, too. So they don’t want to go to a museum or concert that is (usually) going to feature the handiwork of old dead white guys. The problem is that they don’t relate to it as “theirs.” The excuse given is that this is the culture of oppression, therefore, why should they relate, etc. But realistically it belongs to anyone who wants it.

    On the other hand, there are decorum issues. I can get quite excited at concerts and museums, and I have had to learn to tone it down. Really demonstrative cultures might have issues in acting appropriately, as at the Guggenheim.

    Third and finally, there are “inclusion” issues. Dimes to donuts Michelle wasn’t saying, “Black kids aren’t coming here because they feel whites will snub them.” What she’s really saying is that there isn’t enough blackness in the museums, e.g., African art, art created by famous African Americans, etc. Same goes for concerts: where’s Duke Ellington, and so on, without recognizing that there’s a venue for that.

    But actually we went down the inclusion road before. I can remember in the ’70’s they started coming out with dictionaries and encyclopedias that provided profiles of Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson in an effort to be inclusive, because after all sports heroes are basically just the same as Galileo and Bach. But it didn’t work then — obviously — and it isn’t won’t work here. Dumbing down Euro-American culture to make it more inclusive to people who are not “natively” Euro-American isn’t the way to do it. They have to be encouraged to see themselves in Pushkin or Dumas (both of whom were part African.)

    That is why I have always been partial to the “Afro-centric” thesis even if I think it is quixotic and wrong. Socrates wasn’t black, and neither were the pharaohs, but if a white black lie like that can cause some black American tourists to stare in awe at the Parthenon, then I am all for it.

    • Replies: @anon
    C'mon. The Gap's about IQ, not lack of same-race role models in museums.

    Museums will have Obama stuff soon enough-- you really think that's really going to change a single kid's life outcome?

    , @Desiderius

    The problem is really three fold.
     
    There is no problem. Museums are for people who want to go to museums.

    It's a free country.
    , @pseudonymic handle
    Ah, so European culture belongs to "anyone" who wants it? Just as anyone who professes admiration for the ideals enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and/or Constitution is automatically an American. Or, of course, there's still the magic of geographic translocation rendering Chinese, Indians, and Bantus who happen to be born in American land/air/sea space American citizens. And, let's not forget, that it's collectively "America's" fault (meaning White Americans) that blacks don't see White, European culture as "theirs."

    Because, of course, it's not. No black yet has composed a symphony worth listening to, nor written a book worth reading (although I'm sure you're a big fan of Maya Angelou and Phyllis Wheatley, and similar great black intellects). It never ceases to amuse me that your ilk reads Steve Sailer and comprises the majority of his commentariat, and you all hold to one version or another of the paint-job theory. Nor can I fathom the type of dimwit it must take to comfortably spout those inherent contradictions as benevolent, self-evident wisdom. I salute you - truly, I do. You epitomize the self-described "conservative Jew" or "political moderate." You are the embodiment of "lukewarm" - which God spits out of his mouth.
  23. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Blacks were doomed the second American society no longer attempted to enforce white standards of behavior on them, which of course led to the casual bastardy, rampant crime, etc. we have seen from them since.

    Incarceration rates have risen significantly among whites too since the 1980s. For whites, the incarceration rate for men aged 20-34 was 0.6 percent in 1980 and 1.8 percent in 2010. For blacks, the incarceration rate rose from 5.2 percent to 11.4 percent in the same time period.

    What remains constant is the roughly one standard (~0.9) deviation gap in incarceration rates between the races.

    It’d be interesting to figure out why the incarceration rate rose so much for both races since 1980, after having historically been fairly low for most of American history.

    • Replies: @wakey wakey
    Hispanics of all hues are countedas "white" perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true.

    Back before the immivasion this would have been statistically unimportant but today the FBI's insane policy is producing a deliberated distorted picture of "white" crime in America.

    Wake up. There is no mystery regarding a white crime rate suddenly spiking "higher" -- or should I say ... uh ... "mas alto" ...
    , @EvolutionistX
    The incarceration rate rose because of the huge crime wave of the 80s/early 90s, generally linked to the crack trade.
    , @Mike Zwick
    The War on Drugs.
  24. A few years ago Theodore Dalrymple explained how every British cultural venue receiving government aid had to keep racial attendance records to prove that they were able to lure minorities to their events.

    If they couldn’t prove proportional attendance, the government subsidies would be cut off. So they had to do things like provide day care facilities to look after the little Asian sprogs while their mamas attended.

    I expect that the US is going to take such measures shortly. Figure water slides at Yosemite to get Blacks to attend and narcocorridas at the Disney center in LA to lure the Mejicanos in large numbers.

    It’s just the beginning.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    Ron Unz should really get Theodore Dalrymple on here. He's among the greatest humane-conservative writers ever; yet he's caged up on an obscure self-caricaturing site dedicated to histrionic Eurabia/Muslim-bashing. He doesn't fit there at all.
  25. Data from the 1980s on white and black attendance at arts events concluded that the measurable difference in participation could be tied to ‘subtle forms of exclusion.

    Right, just like Dungeons and Dragons and Renaissance festivals subtly exclude the plethora of black teenagers who would love nothing more to be included in these activities.

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Box office and/or Awards G O L D ! !
    , @unit472
    Doug Wilder ( first black Governor of Virginia) tried to get a Museum of Slavery up and running. He even raised a couple of million for a site in Fredericksburg, Virginia but even he couldn't get it up and running and the project went bankrupt a few years ago.

    That blacks could not fund and create a museum to preserve something so central to their history and current view of the world ought to tell Michelle Obama something. Even the Martin Luther King Center in Atlanta is a pathetic bit of hucksterism masquerading as an important historical archive. Its 'exhibits' are mostly old newspaper clippings ( well the King siblings sold off any real artifacts) and it exists mainly to sell MLK kitsch in the gift shops. I heard blacks complain the place, in particular the toilets, are filthy but what else should we expect. Is anything created and run by blacks not poorly managed and shabby?

    , @Desiderius

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.
     
    It's known locally as the Slavery Museum and although it sits on about the most valuable real-estate in town, it's been a huge money sink. It's not just lacking black attendance.
  26. e says:
    @EriK
    I'd like to give Blow the benefit of the doubt, but seriously he comes off as not that bright in every column he writes (that I've read). Good thing he has white privilege working for him.

    PS Where are the charts?

    Blow has black + gay privilege working for him–a 2-fer for both him and the NYTimes.

    Oh, that’s right, he said he’s “BI-sexual.” Sure. A few kids produced when he was young with a poor wife he used as a beard. A guy who’ll do that to a woman doesn’t exactly convince me he’s an honest man.

  27. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Blacks were doomed the second American society no longer attempted to enforce white standards of behavior on them, which of course led to the casual bastardy, rampant crime, etc. we have seen from them since.

    I grew up in Washington DC during the 60’s. It is my impression that the black kids I went to school with were a lot “whiter” back then. We had the same names, wore the same kinds of clothes, played the same sports, watched the same TV shows, listened to much the same music and had a lot of the same heroes.

    I was actually more comfortable around most black kids than I was around “Grits” — the children of West Virginians who migrated to DC after WW2. Grits wore different clothes (like blue jeans with rolled cuffs), greased their hair, had funny names like “Johnny Ray,” and listened to hillbilly music. In the early 60s, blacks were still somewhat in awe of my whiteness, and most treated me with a little deference. The Grits weren’t afraid to beat me – or them – up.

    Today, Grits have assimilated into white culture, while blacks have diverged into a completely new culture with their own names, clothes, entertainment and values. While going to a mostly black school in the 60s definitely had its drawbacks, it wasn’t the shear hell it is for white kids today.

    • Replies: @Threecranes
    I too attended integrated schools during the time period you mention and back you up completely. Only difference was, what you called "Grits", we called "Greasers"--duck tail hair with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in the shoulder of a short sleeve tee shirt--in grade school no less! Older brothers wore satin jackets with some kind of oriental Korean war motif and the expression;

    "And When he gets to heaven,
    To Saint Peter he will tell;
    One more Soldier reporting, sir.
    I've served my time in Hell!"

    I knew (white) kids who woke up early and helped their fathers check their trap lines along the levee before they straggled into school in the morning--course they slept till noon in their chairs and weren't known for their scholarly achievement but they weren't trouble makers.

    And the black kids were well behaved too. It's still an indelible memory, etched into my brain, of a black father on PTA night standing behind his son holding him by the shoulders and saying to the white teacher while looking her straight in the eye, "If he gives you any trouble, don't be afraid to discipline him." He was completely in earnest. Of course both his sons were well dressed, courteous and went on to excellent achievements in high school in sports and academics and (I hope) adult careers.

    It's hard for me to sympathize with phonies like Charles Blow, Jesse Jackson and Michelle Obama after having known blacks since childhood. I try not to let their evil bile poison all my perceptions of blacks, but it's an uphill battle. They have sacrificed their race's chances for acceptance and success just to advance their own (too narrowly conceived) self interest.
  28. I have worked security at a museum and was mainly there to prevent art thieves from sticking around at end of day. I worked security at rap show and was injured in melee. I was fullback on football team and was not smart enough to write code.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Use your muscles to score a hot Asian girl;have a son who will be a bit tough while still being able to code.Or get a black girl and try for an athlete.Albeit one who can't code for sure...
  29. e says:

    BTW, I’ve been meaning to bring this up: many of you, Steve included, seem to think Michelle Obama’s inferiority/persecution complex stems from her having been awarded a spot at Princeton because of Affirmative Action and her finding out that she really wasn’t as bright as most around her.

    It’s understandable that men would think that. However, that’s not the major reason Mrs. Obama is the prickly, bitter woman she is. (Mind you, it’s not that I don’t think she’s resentful because she felt out of place at an Ivy—heck, she was out of place since no way would she have made it there w/out AA.)

    What makes any woman that bitter is, well, a very womanly reason–looks. Michelle is a very masculine-looking woman, large of frame, with masculine heavy jaws and a bad bite. Any time spent around white, Asian, and Hispanic women reminds her of this every day.

    She can, of course, look fine with the right clothes, the right make up, the right hair styling, but her features aren’t feminine, and I suggest you consider this when she says to an audience of blacks or to an audience of black women that what she really means when she says, “People who look like us,” is actually, “Women who look like me.”

    A woman feels her looks trump race, trump education, trump everything.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    Kevin James a.k.a Paul Blart Mall Cop has a hotter wife than Hussein Obama. And Kevin is obese and does not have as much power in society as Hussein does. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. That is why most married male politicians in Washington do not have attractive wives.
    , @CraigRobinsonMatters
    Not just racialist affirmative action; Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons.
  30. The first black president and his epitaph will read: “He was best friend to Wall Street, Illegal Aliens, and gays.”

  31. @Anonymous
    But highly relevant:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/comment-of-the-week-a-post-white-world/

    Thanks for sharing this link. In case if this blog post dissapear, here the link to the archived copy stored at the Internet archive. https://web.archive.org/web/20150509005541/https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/comment-of-the-week-a-post-white-world/

  32. Avery Fisher Hall (where the New York Philharmonic plays) would be a more welcoming space if intermission refreshments were catered by McDonalds. And they could hold special shoot-your-own-gun performances of Tschaikowsky’s 1812 Overture.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My brother-in-law got to shoot the shotguns in a barrel during the Chicago Lyric Opera's summer performances of the 1812 Overture when he was a boy.
  33. @charlie
    Also see Michelle Obama's comments today.

    There is a tremendous amount of dislike of black people and black culture.

    There are even a lot of racists out here, who have some sort of psychological hangup and hate black people and feel they are inferior.

    There is almost no "structural racism". On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks.

    On the other side, you have the NBA.

    We do live in an economy and world where little differences start to add up.

    “There is almost no “structural racism”. On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks.”

    Will Smith would like to have a word with you.

    I’m not even a movie buff and I can think of several movies where he was the leading man. The superhero movie where he plays a “normal guy” superhero who likes to drink, the movie where he is one of the last survivors in a zombie apocalypse, all of the MiB movies, that one with his kid where they travel to an overgrown earth and I’m sure several others. Like I said, I don’t really watch movies and I can’t remember their names, but even I can come up with several examples.

    • Replies: @fish

    Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks.”
     
    Excuse me sir but there is a Mr. Washington at the door.....first name Denzel....he asked for a brief audience!
    , @CK
    Mr. Freeman has a bone to pick with you sir.
    As do Mr. Fishburne, Mr. Perry, and Mr. Howard.
  34. @e
    BTW, I've been meaning to bring this up: many of you, Steve included, seem to think Michelle Obama's inferiority/persecution complex stems from her having been awarded a spot at Princeton because of Affirmative Action and her finding out that she really wasn't as bright as most around her.

    It's understandable that men would think that. However, that's not the major reason Mrs. Obama is the prickly, bitter woman she is. (Mind you, it's not that I don't think she's resentful because she felt out of place at an Ivy---heck, she was out of place since no way would she have made it there w/out AA.)

    What makes any woman that bitter is, well, a very womanly reason--looks. Michelle is a very masculine-looking woman, large of frame, with masculine heavy jaws and a bad bite. Any time spent around white, Asian, and Hispanic women reminds her of this every day.

    She can, of course, look fine with the right clothes, the right make up, the right hair styling, but her features aren't feminine, and I suggest you consider this when she says to an audience of blacks or to an audience of black women that what she really means when she says, "People who look like us," is actually, "Women who look like me."

    A woman feels her looks trump race, trump education, trump everything.

    Kevin James a.k.a Paul Blart Mall Cop has a hotter wife than Hussein Obama. And Kevin is obese and does not have as much power in society as Hussein does. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. That is why most married male politicians in Washington do not have attractive wives.

  35. @International Jew
    Avery Fisher Hall (where the New York Philharmonic plays) would be a more welcoming space if intermission refreshments were catered by McDonalds. And they could hold special shoot-your-own-gun performances of Tschaikowsky's 1812 Overture.

    My brother-in-law got to shoot the shotguns in a barrel during the Chicago Lyric Opera’s summer performances of the 1812 Overture when he was a boy.

    • Replies: @riches
    Now that's white familial privilege!
  36. @e
    BTW, I've been meaning to bring this up: many of you, Steve included, seem to think Michelle Obama's inferiority/persecution complex stems from her having been awarded a spot at Princeton because of Affirmative Action and her finding out that she really wasn't as bright as most around her.

    It's understandable that men would think that. However, that's not the major reason Mrs. Obama is the prickly, bitter woman she is. (Mind you, it's not that I don't think she's resentful because she felt out of place at an Ivy---heck, she was out of place since no way would she have made it there w/out AA.)

    What makes any woman that bitter is, well, a very womanly reason--looks. Michelle is a very masculine-looking woman, large of frame, with masculine heavy jaws and a bad bite. Any time spent around white, Asian, and Hispanic women reminds her of this every day.

    She can, of course, look fine with the right clothes, the right make up, the right hair styling, but her features aren't feminine, and I suggest you consider this when she says to an audience of blacks or to an audience of black women that what she really means when she says, "People who look like us," is actually, "Women who look like me."

    A woman feels her looks trump race, trump education, trump everything.

    Not just racialist affirmative action; Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons.

    • Replies: @jon
    "Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons."

    I've often thought that the potential for athleticism in his offspring (implied by the brother's success) was a major motivation for Obama marrying her. After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was.

    Two daughters put an end to that dream.
  37. The “Architects” died hundreds of years ago. The racist “structure” they created was dismantled a long time ago. I can’t solve your problems, Charles, you’ll have to do that on your own.

  38. Well, in keeping with their role of fabulous (literally) story spinners, some black folks did come up with the “Masonic Fraternal Police Department’.

  39. A corollary to Black economic doom is their cultural collapse. Black people used to drive popular music, and a lot of popular culture style/fashion, language, and entertainment. Now? Blacks have not come up with new music since the late 1970’s birth of RAP. Groups like NWA and Public Enemy date back to the … Reagan Administration. Rappers like Jay Z and Lil Wayne are nothing more than the same warmed over stuff from when George HW Bush was Vice President.

    IF Blacks have any hope of relevance and survival in a global economy dominated by non-White, non-White ethnic groups, it is in entertainment. Lee Daniels wants you to know he hate hate HATES Whites writing for and about Black people. [Which is rich, since he seems to rely on writing partner Danny Strong, a Buffy the Vampire Slayer bit player actor turned writer, for most of his dialog and scenes.] And in global entertainment, Blacks have …. I’m thinking …. I’m thinking … I got nothing. Most global pop seems K-Pop/J-Pop, with either silly guys like Psy or various girl groups looking “adorable” etc. Cuteness cubed.

    There is no figure comparable to say, Miles Davis, let alone Louis Armstrong, or Duke Ellington, in terms of innovation, Whites copying, and global influence among Black entertainers. It seems that Blacks have not as a group come up with entertainment that people around the globe find compelling since the 1980s. I would blame the total collapse of the Black family into female hypergamy and spread your seed fatherhood. A two parent family community can support churches and thus basic musical and theater training for young kids. Now? About all that young kids get is aping the posturing in Youtube videos. If that.

    Chaos does not create great art — rather some level of basic stability seems to be the requirement for even middling appealing entertainment creation. Which is why the safe suburbs spawned Steven Spielberg and not too much cool stuff came out of 1990s Bosnia.

  40. What I find remarkable is that 40 years ago lots of Americans thought blacks were destined to take over the world due to racial superiority. I recently watched the 1979 Albert Brooks film Real Life, and at one point he has a tense moment with Dr. Cleary, the black psychiatrist. They disagree on the value of Brooks’ film project, and Brooks says that Cleary is mistaken, but concedes that his people (blacks) will take over the world in the next century due to their racial superiority. It may have been comedy, but if so it exposed a common trope of the time.

    The same idea was expressed in rudimentary form in Absalom, Absalom! (1936) by Faulkner. Even Charles Manson picked up on it. There was an entire genre in the 70s concerning the inevitable black world conquest (Planet of the Apes, for example).

    It’s particularly poignant to me because my own father was influenced by it.

    What I suspect it really comes down to is an American Rousseauism that placed blacks above all others as the race of noble savages destined to replace the corrupt and defiled civilized world.

    I can see how it may have seemed that way in the early 70s, as whites fled black anger en masse. But then again it occurs to me that people failed to take federal legislation into account, because most don’t fully comprehend the power of the court and its officers (although Rockwell certainly did).

    I wonder whether a lot of liberal frustration is based on the spectacular failure of blacks to live up to their youthful expectations. Having grown up in an integrated environment myself, I was never under any such illusions, and it took me years to figure out how on earth they could have been so obtuse. Today, I don’t think anyone believes it any longer, but few are brave enough to say so.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    So you say pop culture in the 1970s portrayed Blacks as being superior. What about the most famous movie to ever come out of the 1970s, Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather. Remember the sit down meeting with The Five Families where Don Zaluchi said Blacks are unethical soulless animals.
    , @Nathan Wartooth
    If you take everything the media says at face value, the only conclusion that you can draw is that blacks are a superior race.

    They excel at sports like football and basketball and anywhere they don't dominate is because of racism. They are obviously natural athletes but also geniuses, only kept down by the white man.

    This was highlighted in the documentary "A conversation about race". The guy asked people why blacks dominated sports and the most common answer was "they are just better athletes". But when asked why they didn't perform as well on the SAT, the most common answer was "racism".
    , @H2
    Well, if Europe keeps up its current immigration policies and America starts to imitate Europe, then yes, Africans may certainly take over historically white countries.
  41. @Flinders Petrie

    Data from the 1980s on white and black attendance at arts events concluded that the measurable difference in participation could be tied to ‘subtle forms of exclusion.
     
    Right, just like Dungeons and Dragons and Renaissance festivals subtly exclude the plethora of black teenagers who would love nothing more to be included in these activities.

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.

    Box office and/or Awards G O L D ! !

    • Replies: @Hereward
    Oscar Gold indeed!
  42. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The black-brown part of the population has no interest in things like museums. They prefer pop-culture, watching television and hanging around. So what do these complainers want anyway, to have the whites coerce everybody else to become imitation whites? Then some will complain about cultural imperialism. I’ve never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there’s no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?

    • Replies: @Busby
    I have no interest in art, opera or ballet. On the other hand I would go back to Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry in a New York minute.
    That said I can probably identify most famous works of art or music because I had the advantage of 8 years of Catholic school and thousands of hours of tutelage by Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng.
    , @pinto

    I’ve never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there’s no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?
     
    She really wants other black people to go more than she wants to go. Seriously, if she actually liked this cultural stuff, she would be talking about how great it is. Even Oprah has her book thing she does, which at least gives the appearance that she wants to read that stuff. Does Michelle have a contagious enthusiasm for well, anything? Or does she just complain?
  43. A museum dedicated to the history of Black gangstas in The United States should be created. I am sure such a museum would attract a very Black crowd who are eager to learn about the lives of such famous African American gangstas as Freeway Ricky Ross, Nicky Barnes, Frank Lucas, Tookie Williams, and Michael Brown for example.

  44. One of the common explanations floated in trying to explain the “museum gap” is admissions fees. Well, any St. Louisan can blow through that one like a hot knife through warm butter. The zoo, art museum, history museum and science center in St. Louis are all free admission, all four are in a large urban park very easily accessible by public transportation, yet blacks rarely go to art, history or science, other than being taken there as kids on school field trips.

  45. @Bill P
    What I find remarkable is that 40 years ago lots of Americans thought blacks were destined to take over the world due to racial superiority. I recently watched the 1979 Albert Brooks film Real Life, and at one point he has a tense moment with Dr. Cleary, the black psychiatrist. They disagree on the value of Brooks' film project, and Brooks says that Cleary is mistaken, but concedes that his people (blacks) will take over the world in the next century due to their racial superiority. It may have been comedy, but if so it exposed a common trope of the time.

    The same idea was expressed in rudimentary form in Absalom, Absalom! (1936) by Faulkner. Even Charles Manson picked up on it. There was an entire genre in the 70s concerning the inevitable black world conquest (Planet of the Apes, for example).

    It's particularly poignant to me because my own father was influenced by it.

    What I suspect it really comes down to is an American Rousseauism that placed blacks above all others as the race of noble savages destined to replace the corrupt and defiled civilized world.

    I can see how it may have seemed that way in the early 70s, as whites fled black anger en masse. But then again it occurs to me that people failed to take federal legislation into account, because most don't fully comprehend the power of the court and its officers (although Rockwell certainly did).

    I wonder whether a lot of liberal frustration is based on the spectacular failure of blacks to live up to their youthful expectations. Having grown up in an integrated environment myself, I was never under any such illusions, and it took me years to figure out how on earth they could have been so obtuse. Today, I don't think anyone believes it any longer, but few are brave enough to say so.

    So you say pop culture in the 1970s portrayed Blacks as being superior. What about the most famous movie to ever come out of the 1970s, Francis Ford Coppola’s The Godfather. Remember the sit down meeting with The Five Families where Don Zaluchi said Blacks are unethical soulless animals.

  46. A little honesty would be useful but impossible to ask for when the subject is negroes. As a mostly urban population for whom America’s world class galleries and museums are only a short bus trip or even walk to reach for many urban blacks the fact is visiting a museum is typically a ‘family’ activity. I loved going to the Smithsonian in Washington and even the National Gallery of Art was interesting for a young boy to visit. You knew you were in the presence of beautiful and rare paintings. Of course the dinosaur and aerospace exhibits were high calorie eye candy to any boy as was the Gem and Minerology collection. My father even took me to the FBI museum where gangster’s guns were displayed and something then called the Armed Forces Medical Museum which was too gross for anyone but young boys. But that was the point. You went to those places with your mom and dad ( or just dad in the case of the medical musuem).

    I doubt many black fathers are willing to spend their Saturday or Sunday afternoons taking their baby mama’s children to the Smithsonian or any other museum or gallery. It’s a ‘cultural thing’. Blacks just don’t seem to have any interest in or sense of wonder towards civilizations or nature unless it involves ‘blacks’. Then they’ll call a crude stone wall made 800 years ago in Zimbabwe the equivalent of Chartres Cathedral or claim the pyramids were the legacy of ‘Africa’. Their self absorption and willful ignorance is unique. Travel is not to learn but to ‘show off’. I can afford to go to Europe and I stayed at the Connaught Hotel in London not I went to the British Museum or Blenheim Palace.

  47. @SPMoore8
    The problem is really three fold. On the one hand, many black youths are not taught that Euro-American culture is "their" culture, too. So they don't want to go to a museum or concert that is (usually) going to feature the handiwork of old dead white guys. The problem is that they don't relate to it as "theirs." The excuse given is that this is the culture of oppression, therefore, why should they relate, etc. But realistically it belongs to anyone who wants it.

    On the other hand, there are decorum issues. I can get quite excited at concerts and museums, and I have had to learn to tone it down. Really demonstrative cultures might have issues in acting appropriately, as at the Guggenheim.

    Third and finally, there are "inclusion" issues. Dimes to donuts Michelle wasn't saying, "Black kids aren't coming here because they feel whites will snub them." What she's really saying is that there isn't enough blackness in the museums, e.g., African art, art created by famous African Americans, etc. Same goes for concerts: where's Duke Ellington, and so on, without recognizing that there's a venue for that.

    But actually we went down the inclusion road before. I can remember in the '70's they started coming out with dictionaries and encyclopedias that provided profiles of Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson in an effort to be inclusive, because after all sports heroes are basically just the same as Galileo and Bach. But it didn't work then -- obviously -- and it isn't won't work here. Dumbing down Euro-American culture to make it more inclusive to people who are not "natively" Euro-American isn't the way to do it. They have to be encouraged to see themselves in Pushkin or Dumas (both of whom were part African.)

    That is why I have always been partial to the "Afro-centric" thesis even if I think it is quixotic and wrong. Socrates wasn't black, and neither were the pharaohs, but if a white black lie like that can cause some black American tourists to stare in awe at the Parthenon, then I am all for it.

    C’mon. The Gap’s about IQ, not lack of same-race role models in museums.

    Museums will have Obama stuff soon enough– you really think that’s really going to change a single kid’s life outcome?

  48. @Bill P
    What I find remarkable is that 40 years ago lots of Americans thought blacks were destined to take over the world due to racial superiority. I recently watched the 1979 Albert Brooks film Real Life, and at one point he has a tense moment with Dr. Cleary, the black psychiatrist. They disagree on the value of Brooks' film project, and Brooks says that Cleary is mistaken, but concedes that his people (blacks) will take over the world in the next century due to their racial superiority. It may have been comedy, but if so it exposed a common trope of the time.

    The same idea was expressed in rudimentary form in Absalom, Absalom! (1936) by Faulkner. Even Charles Manson picked up on it. There was an entire genre in the 70s concerning the inevitable black world conquest (Planet of the Apes, for example).

    It's particularly poignant to me because my own father was influenced by it.

    What I suspect it really comes down to is an American Rousseauism that placed blacks above all others as the race of noble savages destined to replace the corrupt and defiled civilized world.

    I can see how it may have seemed that way in the early 70s, as whites fled black anger en masse. But then again it occurs to me that people failed to take federal legislation into account, because most don't fully comprehend the power of the court and its officers (although Rockwell certainly did).

    I wonder whether a lot of liberal frustration is based on the spectacular failure of blacks to live up to their youthful expectations. Having grown up in an integrated environment myself, I was never under any such illusions, and it took me years to figure out how on earth they could have been so obtuse. Today, I don't think anyone believes it any longer, but few are brave enough to say so.

    If you take everything the media says at face value, the only conclusion that you can draw is that blacks are a superior race.

    They excel at sports like football and basketball and anywhere they don’t dominate is because of racism. They are obviously natural athletes but also geniuses, only kept down by the white man.

    This was highlighted in the documentary “A conversation about race”. The guy asked people why blacks dominated sports and the most common answer was “they are just better athletes”. But when asked why they didn’t perform as well on the SAT, the most common answer was “racism”.

  49. @Big bill
    A few years ago Theodore Dalrymple explained how every British cultural venue receiving government aid had to keep racial attendance records to prove that they were able to lure minorities to their events.

    If they couldn't prove proportional attendance, the government subsidies would be cut off. So they had to do things like provide day care facilities to look after the little Asian sprogs while their mamas attended.

    I expect that the US is going to take such measures shortly. Figure water slides at Yosemite to get Blacks to attend and narcocorridas at the Disney center in LA to lure the Mejicanos in large numbers.

    It's just the beginning.

    Ron Unz should really get Theodore Dalrymple on here. He’s among the greatest humane-conservative writers ever; yet he’s caged up on an obscure self-caricaturing site dedicated to histrionic Eurabia/Muslim-bashing. He doesn’t fit there at all.

    • Replies: @BucephalusXYZ
    I'll second that. Dalrymple definitely goes unnoticed in a lot of internet discussions, but I think that his sort of humane conservatism is one of the best things going, and I think he grasps that one of the absolutely worst things you can do for others is to lead them down the path of vice, by act or omission.
    , @Laban Tall
    "he’s (Dalrymple)caged up on an obscure self-caricaturing site dedicated to histrionic Eurabia/Muslim-bashing"

    That's no way to talk about City Journal.

    http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47

    (The Skeptical Doctor site also tries to link to all the great man's output)
  50. “This structure must be demolished by its architects.” — But, Mr. Blow [and might I add what a suitable name that is on so many levels] all its architects have been dead for quite a while.

  51. @Bill P
    What I find remarkable is that 40 years ago lots of Americans thought blacks were destined to take over the world due to racial superiority. I recently watched the 1979 Albert Brooks film Real Life, and at one point he has a tense moment with Dr. Cleary, the black psychiatrist. They disagree on the value of Brooks' film project, and Brooks says that Cleary is mistaken, but concedes that his people (blacks) will take over the world in the next century due to their racial superiority. It may have been comedy, but if so it exposed a common trope of the time.

    The same idea was expressed in rudimentary form in Absalom, Absalom! (1936) by Faulkner. Even Charles Manson picked up on it. There was an entire genre in the 70s concerning the inevitable black world conquest (Planet of the Apes, for example).

    It's particularly poignant to me because my own father was influenced by it.

    What I suspect it really comes down to is an American Rousseauism that placed blacks above all others as the race of noble savages destined to replace the corrupt and defiled civilized world.

    I can see how it may have seemed that way in the early 70s, as whites fled black anger en masse. But then again it occurs to me that people failed to take federal legislation into account, because most don't fully comprehend the power of the court and its officers (although Rockwell certainly did).

    I wonder whether a lot of liberal frustration is based on the spectacular failure of blacks to live up to their youthful expectations. Having grown up in an integrated environment myself, I was never under any such illusions, and it took me years to figure out how on earth they could have been so obtuse. Today, I don't think anyone believes it any longer, but few are brave enough to say so.

    Well, if Europe keeps up its current immigration policies and America starts to imitate Europe, then yes, Africans may certainly take over historically white countries.

  52. @Wyrd
    Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/dundalk-man-violently-beaten-by-group-of-teens/

    Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    Hah…that’s nothing in Texas black teens are fighting back against black….err …some other kind of…. privilege….yeah privilege.

    http://defund.com/african-mob-brutally-lynches-teen-for-being-a-race-traitor-in-texas/

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    That story reminds me of Chris Rock's infamous comedy bit black people versus ninjas.
  53. … And this isn’t only Limbaugh’s view. This is the view of many Americans, whether they tune in to Limbaugh or not.
    Obama’s sin, using this line of logic, is that he failed to undo the system of oppression that he had no hand in constructing. It is that 400 years of damage was not undone in two terms. It is that he didn’t encourage silence about inequity so that its benefactors could enjoy the cumulative fruit of centuries of racial graft without current-day guilt.
    They wanted some mythical receipt of satisfaction of the debt. Let bygones be bygones. All is forgotten and forgiven. Clean slate. Fresh start.
    If only it were that simple. But it’s not. This whole line of reasoning is racial claptrap.
    … America must face the fact that the electorate is an of-the-moment entity, but racial oppression is an of-the-ages monstrosity. It is a resilient relic. And it was never within Obama’s capacity to dismantle it. This structure must be demolished by its architects.

    He must have been smoking some potent stuff.

  54. @Nathan Wartooth
    "There is almost no “structural racism”. On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks."

    Will Smith would like to have a word with you.

    I'm not even a movie buff and I can think of several movies where he was the leading man. The superhero movie where he plays a "normal guy" superhero who likes to drink, the movie where he is one of the last survivors in a zombie apocalypse, all of the MiB movies, that one with his kid where they travel to an overgrown earth and I'm sure several others. Like I said, I don't really watch movies and I can't remember their names, but even I can come up with several examples.

    Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks.”

    Excuse me sir but there is a Mr. Washington at the door…..first name Denzel….he asked for a brief audience!

  55. There isn’t just a “museum gap” but a “bookstore gap” as well. Go to any B&N bookstore and you notice the paucity of AA’s. Once in a while you see one but percentage wise it’s dismal.

    Museums aren’t attractive to blacks for one very simple reason, you need to have some knowledge of history and other subjects. This is something most blacks don’t have and don’t care about. Hang out with them and you hear them talk of “white man’s science” and “white man’s medicine”, to them learning this stuff is tantamount to being a traitor to ones race.

    Bookstores, well that’s where the white man keeps his learning and hence their avoidance of the place. Besides with a culture that does not value learning or even literacy the chances are of finding many blacks who are interested in reading is very slim. The LAUSD has even resorted to bribing students to read given their rock bottom literacy scores.

    For every Ben Carson you get ten thousand Lean guzzling thugs like Trayvon.

  56. If I drank every time Charles Blow said or wrote something idiotically laughable that exposes him as a token not fit for his job, this formerly great nation would be out of whiskey.

  57. @Mike Sylwester
    According to the Pew Research Center:

    In the year 2013, 82% of Blacks and 76% of Whites read at least one book.

    In the year 2013, the mean number of books read by Blacks was 12 and by Whites was 13.

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/

    That's not a big racial difference in the quantity of reading. Maybe there's a big difference in the quality of reading. (And maybe people lie about how much they read.)

    I suppose, though, that the people who visit museums are generally people who read a lot more than a book a month. I would guess that museum visitors read on the order of a book a week, and they read largely non-fiction.

    People who have not developed much intellectual context in history, science and art do not appreciate museum exhibits much.

    We already know there is a big difference in lying on surveys in other circumstances.

  58. @Flinders Petrie

    Data from the 1980s on white and black attendance at arts events concluded that the measurable difference in participation could be tied to ‘subtle forms of exclusion.
     
    Right, just like Dungeons and Dragons and Renaissance festivals subtly exclude the plethora of black teenagers who would love nothing more to be included in these activities.

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.

    Doug Wilder ( first black Governor of Virginia) tried to get a Museum of Slavery up and running. He even raised a couple of million for a site in Fredericksburg, Virginia but even he couldn’t get it up and running and the project went bankrupt a few years ago.

    That blacks could not fund and create a museum to preserve something so central to their history and current view of the world ought to tell Michelle Obama something. Even the Martin Luther King Center in Atlanta is a pathetic bit of hucksterism masquerading as an important historical archive. Its ‘exhibits’ are mostly old newspaper clippings ( well the King siblings sold off any real artifacts) and it exists mainly to sell MLK kitsch in the gift shops. I heard blacks complain the place, in particular the toilets, are filthy but what else should we expect. Is anything created and run by blacks not poorly managed and shabby?

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    Perhaps black museums should take note of how Christian churches gained popularity in black communities. Shed the stiff whitey routine and make the experience more about singing, dancing, and fainting from the emotional splendor of it all.
  59. @Wyrd
    Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/08/dundalk-man-violently-beaten-by-group-of-teens/

    comments below are pretty extreme

  60. Whenever I go to a museum the proprietor always comes out arms held wide and with a beaming face. “Welcome, welcome,” he says before embracing me and patting me on the back. “So glad you have come to visit our humble museum. Would you like me to show you around, or are you happy just to look about on your own?” He asks, or something to that effect. Normally I am happy to look around by myself, but the proprieteor always makes sure that I know that if I have any questions or need anything, not to be shy just to call out. When I am leaving they always give me a cheery goodbye, offer me a free muffin for the road, and tell me I am always welcome.

    How the hell can you be made to feel welcome or unwelcome at a museum? There is no interaction with staff whatsoever (unless you do something wrong).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...
    , @HA
    "How the hell can you be made to feel welcome or unwelcome at a museum?"

    I'm guessing that that young black guys coming in to check out, say, the miniatures exhibition inspire visibly heightened vigilance among the security guards.
    , @Mike Sylwester

    Whenever I go to a museum the proprietor always comes out arms held wide and with a beaming face. “Welcome, welcome,” .....
     
    When Michelle Obama visits a museum, that is how she is treated.
  61. Dont even give this Blow guy any more blog time. Pay him no mind. His brother Curtis was a lot more interesting.

  62. @anonymous
    The black-brown part of the population has no interest in things like museums. They prefer pop-culture, watching television and hanging around. So what do these complainers want anyway, to have the whites coerce everybody else to become imitation whites? Then some will complain about cultural imperialism. I've never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there's no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?

    I have no interest in art, opera or ballet. On the other hand I would go back to Chicago’s Museum of Science and Industry in a New York minute.
    That said I can probably identify most famous works of art or music because I had the advantage of 8 years of Catholic school and thousands of hours of tutelage by Chuck Jones and Friz Freleng.

  63. When I was a kid in the 1960s, blacks were constantly portrayed in the media as confidently innovating, moving forward, inventing new styles, trying out new roles.

    When I was a kid in the 70s, we had Good Times, The Jeffersons, and Fat Albert.

    I blame Norman Lear.

  64. @anonymous
    The black-brown part of the population has no interest in things like museums. They prefer pop-culture, watching television and hanging around. So what do these complainers want anyway, to have the whites coerce everybody else to become imitation whites? Then some will complain about cultural imperialism. I've never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there's no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?

    I’ve never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there’s no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?

    She really wants other black people to go more than she wants to go. Seriously, if she actually liked this cultural stuff, she would be talking about how great it is. Even Oprah has her book thing she does, which at least gives the appearance that she wants to read that stuff. Does Michelle have a contagious enthusiasm for well, anything? Or does she just complain?

    • Replies: @gozo
    This is a brilliant insight. Why hasn't the First Lady made a dozen videos of herself in 6 or 10 different U.S. museums standing in front of major African and African-American paintings, sculptures and inventions, explaining how they touch her heart and have changed American culture?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    She really wants other black people to go more than she wants to go. Seriously, if she actually liked this cultural stuff, she would be talking about how great it is.

    Ha ha, it's like Barack in 2008 telling Americans we should learn to speak a second language, and then it turned out he doesn't. Michelle likes fancy hotels and shopping trips. Does she really like museums? (Confession: I don't like museums that much myself and I'm white.)
  65. @Flinders Petrie

    Data from the 1980s on white and black attendance at arts events concluded that the measurable difference in participation could be tied to ‘subtle forms of exclusion.
     
    Right, just like Dungeons and Dragons and Renaissance festivals subtly exclude the plethora of black teenagers who would love nothing more to be included in these activities.

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.

    It’s known locally as the Slavery Museum and although it sits on about the most valuable real-estate in town, it’s been a huge money sink. It’s not just lacking black attendance.

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    I spent some time in Cincinnati, and I never met one person who had been to that museum. I usually visit most museums in an area where I'm living or visiting, from famous to obscure, but I could never bring myself to do it.
  66. @SPMoore8
    The problem is really three fold. On the one hand, many black youths are not taught that Euro-American culture is "their" culture, too. So they don't want to go to a museum or concert that is (usually) going to feature the handiwork of old dead white guys. The problem is that they don't relate to it as "theirs." The excuse given is that this is the culture of oppression, therefore, why should they relate, etc. But realistically it belongs to anyone who wants it.

    On the other hand, there are decorum issues. I can get quite excited at concerts and museums, and I have had to learn to tone it down. Really demonstrative cultures might have issues in acting appropriately, as at the Guggenheim.

    Third and finally, there are "inclusion" issues. Dimes to donuts Michelle wasn't saying, "Black kids aren't coming here because they feel whites will snub them." What she's really saying is that there isn't enough blackness in the museums, e.g., African art, art created by famous African Americans, etc. Same goes for concerts: where's Duke Ellington, and so on, without recognizing that there's a venue for that.

    But actually we went down the inclusion road before. I can remember in the '70's they started coming out with dictionaries and encyclopedias that provided profiles of Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson in an effort to be inclusive, because after all sports heroes are basically just the same as Galileo and Bach. But it didn't work then -- obviously -- and it isn't won't work here. Dumbing down Euro-American culture to make it more inclusive to people who are not "natively" Euro-American isn't the way to do it. They have to be encouraged to see themselves in Pushkin or Dumas (both of whom were part African.)

    That is why I have always been partial to the "Afro-centric" thesis even if I think it is quixotic and wrong. Socrates wasn't black, and neither were the pharaohs, but if a white black lie like that can cause some black American tourists to stare in awe at the Parthenon, then I am all for it.

    The problem is really three fold.

    There is no problem. Museums are for people who want to go to museums.

    It’s a free country.

  67. @JohnnyWalker123
    Incarceration rates have risen significantly among whites too since the 1980s. For whites, the incarceration rate for men aged 20-34 was 0.6 percent in 1980 and 1.8 percent in 2010. For blacks, the incarceration rate rose from 5.2 percent to 11.4 percent in the same time period.

    What remains constant is the roughly one standard (~0.9) deviation gap in incarceration rates between the races.

    It'd be interesting to figure out why the incarceration rate rose so much for both races since 1980, after having historically been fairly low for most of American history.

    Hispanics of all hues are countedas “white” perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true.

    Back before the immivasion this would have been statistically unimportant but today the FBI’s insane policy is producing a deliberated distorted picture of “white” crime in America.

    Wake up. There is no mystery regarding a white crime rate suddenly spiking “higher” — or should I say … uh … “mas alto” …

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Those figures were for non-Hispanic whites.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/13/LowIncomeMen/Imprisonment/rpt_imprisonment.pdf

    For Hispanics, the incarceration rate rose from 2.3 to 3.7 percent.

    Incarceration rate for men age 20-34

    1980 -

    Non-Hispanic Whites: 0.6 percent
    Hispanics: 2.3 percent
    Blacks: 5.2 percent

    2010-

    Non-Hispanic Whites: 1.8 percent
    Hispanics: 3.7 percent
    Blacks: 11.4 percent
    , @Jefferson
    'Hispanics of all hues are counted as “white” perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true."

    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as "White" in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department. Apparently every single Hispanic MLB player from Venezuela, the Caribbean, and Panama are "White". I didn't know all of Latin America is basically just a racial extension of Europe.
  68. @Harold
    Whenever I go to a museum the proprietor always comes out arms held wide and with a beaming face. “Welcome, welcome,” he says before embracing me and patting me on the back. “So glad you have come to visit our humble museum. Would you like me to show you around, or are you happy just to look about on your own?” He asks, or something to that effect. Normally I am happy to look around by myself, but the proprieteor always makes sure that I know that if I have any questions or need anything, not to be shy just to call out. When I am leaving they always give me a cheery goodbye, offer me a free muffin for the road, and tell me I am always welcome.

    How the hell can you be made to feel welcome or unwelcome at a museum? There is no interaction with staff whatsoever (unless you do something wrong).

    That’s nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I’d like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d’art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their “A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte” by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn’t have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven’t heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T’ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I’m white, so they’ll waive the late fee. It’s got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn’t chip it too much …

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    I bet you're kicking yourself that you did eventually return that Picasso:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHRISTIES_SPRING_ART_AUCTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-11-19-39-07
    , @BayAreaBill
    You need a Youtube auxiliary crew to help throw together some of your (and your commenters') ideas like this in a form that doesn't require, you know, reading. You probably remember I've made that point before.
    , @Threecranes
    Truly laughing out loud. Excellent.
    , @Alfa158
    Hilarious! The book reproductions somehow convey the impression that the Seuart work is a standard sort of picture frame size. It was startling walking into the gallery and seeing it was the size of a freeway billboard.
    , @Harold
    Bah! And here I was happy to be fobbed off with a muffin! At least I can console myself that I am not black. Blacks are probably just left to wander about, ignored except for the occasoinal glance of a security guard if it looks like they might put a fingerprint on something.

    Probably I am not treated as well as you because I sound like a country bumpkin, and then further betray my uncouthness by what I spend my time looking at. I would, for example, spend more time looking at Klimts than Picassos. When I went to the Royal Ontario Museum (if memory serves), they had a room juxtaposing academic art on one wall and impressionist “En plein air” artists on the opposite. I must admit I spent more time looking at the academic art than the impressionists (not that I dislike impressionism).

    To me the obvious explanation for the reaction against academic art is that young white men are not interested in training for years just to be as good as, and no better than, those who have come before them. Perfection in the style had already been achieved.

    E.g. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_%281825-1905%29_-_Young_Mother_Gazing_At_Her_Child_%281871%29.jpg
    (my mother likes this picture because the boy looks like me at that age)

    If tiger mothers had been around at the time, they would have forced their children to a paint for hours a day in the academic style, just as tiger mothers, today, force their children to learn classical violin while white boys are inventing whole new genres of rock or metal.

    While I was in Toronto I also went to the Air and Space Museum. I wanted to see the Avro Arrow that I had read about when I was a boy. I did get some friendly nods while I was there. I didn’t see any women there, though. Just a couple of old men and a father with his young son. Probably they make women feel unwelcome.

    , @Kylie

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T’ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s...

    ...Fortunately, I’m white, so they’ll waive the late fee. It’s got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn’t chip it too much …
     
    Once whites are the minority, you'll be able to send them a Chia Pet and they'll never know the difference.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T’ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

     

    Because the Oriental Institute thought this wouldn't fit atop your Honda?
  69. I would guess that in the optimistic 60s it was all about celebrating the achievements of the upwardly mobile talented 10th, whereas now its all about moaning about how the other 90 percent are still languishing in the doldrums – particularly as many on the talented 10th are now activists campaigning for Black underachievers.

    Also remember who runs the modern media – left- liberal journalists under the clever control of right-liberal editors. Under this regime the economic losers of neoliberalism are allowed to express their economic frustrations as social resentment against long-dead social conservatives or the white majority. Hence, the Black youth who has been pushed out of his neighbourhood by Hispanic immigrant gangs, or kicked out of his factory job by offshoring is encouraged to blame his problems on “trigger happy” white cops or even more improbably on sympathetic white teachers and social workers.

  70. Of course, Whitey is what remains after you take the “n(egroes)” out of Whitney.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Good one!
  71. Samuel Butler on the British Museum Library: ‘I once heard a visitor from the country say, “it contains a large number of very interesting works”‘.

  72. Lot says:
    @Mike Sylwester
    According to the Pew Research Center:

    In the year 2013, 82% of Blacks and 76% of Whites read at least one book.

    In the year 2013, the mean number of books read by Blacks was 12 and by Whites was 13.

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/

    That's not a big racial difference in the quantity of reading. Maybe there's a big difference in the quality of reading. (And maybe people lie about how much they read.)

    I suppose, though, that the people who visit museums are generally people who read a lot more than a book a month. I would guess that museum visitors read on the order of a book a week, and they read largely non-fiction.

    People who have not developed much intellectual context in history, science and art do not appreciate museum exhibits much.

    People lie when asked questions like that. Political pollsters routinely find more than 80% of people claim to have voted in the last election, when in fact it is about half for presidential elections and lower in others.

    Surveys of church attendance also find people greatly exaggerate how often they attend service.

    If you want the true demographics of book buyers, check out where book stores are located.

  73. @out of Macon
    The North Carolina museum of art has a picture of a black woman holding a white woman's decapitated head. I think it helps black people feel welcome.

    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    • Replies: @pinto

    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_11.15.jpg
     
    What is the name of that painting?

    Who are the people portrayed
  74. @wakey wakey
    Hispanics of all hues are countedas "white" perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true.

    Back before the immivasion this would have been statistically unimportant but today the FBI's insane policy is producing a deliberated distorted picture of "white" crime in America.

    Wake up. There is no mystery regarding a white crime rate suddenly spiking "higher" -- or should I say ... uh ... "mas alto" ...

    Those figures were for non-Hispanic whites.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/13/LowIncomeMen/Imprisonment/rpt_imprisonment.pdf

    For Hispanics, the incarceration rate rose from 2.3 to 3.7 percent.

    Incarceration rate for men age 20-34

    1980 –

    Non-Hispanic Whites: 0.6 percent
    Hispanics: 2.3 percent
    Blacks: 5.2 percent

    2010-

    Non-Hispanic Whites: 1.8 percent
    Hispanics: 3.7 percent
    Blacks: 11.4 percent

    • Replies: @ingo


    Those figures were for non-Hispanic whites.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/13/LowIncomeMen/Imprisonment/rpt_imprisonment.pdf

    For Hispanics, the incarceration rate rose from 2.3 to 3.7 percent.

     

    I clicked on that link and did a search for the word "asian."

    Not there.

    They totally ignore Asians. I mean, there are some Asians in prison. Why are Asians always ignored?
  75. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They kept trying to get me to borrow one of their Klimts, but I was like, "Who likes Klimt? How much money do Klimts go for? Come on, be serious."
  76. @fish

    Meanwhile in Baltimore, black teens are fighting back against white privilege:
     
    Hah...that's nothing in Texas black teens are fighting back against black....err ...some other kind of.... privilege....yeah privilege.

    http://defund.com/african-mob-brutally-lynches-teen-for-being-a-race-traitor-in-texas/

    That story reminds me of Chris Rock’s infamous comedy bit black people versus ninjas.

  77. In a multicultural country, the only proper thing to do is allow each race / ethnic group to control their own cultural images and artifacts. The last time I looked, the Whitney was not named after Ms. Houston. I suspect that deep down, most minorities are extremely uncomfortable with whites reclaiming their cultural heritage knowing that is a critical step in racial consciousnesses.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    I suspect that deep down, most minorities are extremely uncomfortable with whites reclaiming their cultural heritage knowing that is a critical step in racial consciousnesses.
     
    Meh, I suspect they're tired of SWPL bullshit on race and white people in general acting like pussies. They have to live with us too. Nobody likes a pussy.
  78. @Anonymous
    Box office and/or Awards G O L D ! !

    Oscar Gold indeed!

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    A tragedy that the Jerry Lewis Holocausplotation drama The Day the Clown Cried wasn't ever released. That was Oscar gold!
  79. jon says:
    @CraigRobinsonMatters
    Not just racialist affirmative action; Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons.

    “Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons.”

    I’ve often thought that the potential for athleticism in his offspring (implied by the brother’s success) was a major motivation for Obama marrying her. After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was.

    Two daughters put an end to that dream.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    Craig's daughter Leslie finished her freshman year at Princeton and didn't start but averaged 9 minutes and 3 points per game. Plays at forward like her dad.
    , @dcite

    "After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was."
     
    Good grief. Are they still thought to be a traditional married couple?
    Did Joan Rivers die for nothing?
  80. @Wyrd
    I bet you're kicking yourself that you did eventually return that Picasso:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHRISTIES_SPRING_ART_AUCTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-11-19-39-07

    They kept trying to get me to borrow one of their Klimts, but I was like, “Who likes Klimt? How much money do Klimts go for? Come on, be serious.”

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Thornton Mellon's wife Vanessa loved Klimt!
  81. @V Vega
    What a timely post, since quite recently a group of black students attempting to tour the Guggenheim were, depending who you ask, informed that they must leave the museum earlier than their planned time of departure, owing to acting like a bunch of assholes...

    http://gothamist.com/2015/05/10/rowdy_brooklyn_high_school_banned-f.php

    I know a guy who was homeless/schizophrenic for a couple of decades. During that time he worked at a museum, handling and cataloging exhibits. His behavior must have been pretty good.

  82. We don’t have any black writers here, do we. Not that any particularly come to mind. Atolthough I like this guy a lot… he’s not particularly intellectual. Though he points out in his videos that if an ordinary guy like him can see what he does, what is wrong with the rest of America?

  83. @Lot
    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_11.15.jpg

    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_11.15.jpg

    What is the name of that painting?

    Who are the people portrayed

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's from the OT, right? Holofernes?
    , @Anonymous
    Judith and Holofernes painted by Lucas Cranach the Elder
  84. @pinto

    I’ve never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there’s no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?
     
    She really wants other black people to go more than she wants to go. Seriously, if she actually liked this cultural stuff, she would be talking about how great it is. Even Oprah has her book thing she does, which at least gives the appearance that she wants to read that stuff. Does Michelle have a contagious enthusiasm for well, anything? Or does she just complain?

    This is a brilliant insight. Why hasn’t the First Lady made a dozen videos of herself in 6 or 10 different U.S. museums standing in front of major African and African-American paintings, sculptures and inventions, explaining how they touch her heart and have changed American culture?

  85. ingo says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Those figures were for non-Hispanic whites.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/13/LowIncomeMen/Imprisonment/rpt_imprisonment.pdf

    For Hispanics, the incarceration rate rose from 2.3 to 3.7 percent.

    Incarceration rate for men age 20-34

    1980 -

    Non-Hispanic Whites: 0.6 percent
    Hispanics: 2.3 percent
    Blacks: 5.2 percent

    2010-

    Non-Hispanic Whites: 1.8 percent
    Hispanics: 3.7 percent
    Blacks: 11.4 percent

    Those figures were for non-Hispanic whites.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/13/LowIncomeMen/Imprisonment/rpt_imprisonment.pdf

    For Hispanics, the incarceration rate rose from 2.3 to 3.7 percent.

    I clicked on that link and did a search for the word “asian.”

    Not there.

    They totally ignore Asians. I mean, there are some Asians in prison. Why are Asians always ignored?

    • Replies: @Laban Tall
    I was surprised to see a large number of Asians (mostly male and Muslim rather than Hindu) walking up Snowdon in Wales this Easter. Perhaps one in three or four people on the Pyg track to the summit. Generally the high hills are SWPL country.
  86. @pinto

    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_11.15.jpg
     
    What is the name of that painting?

    Who are the people portrayed

    It’s from the OT, right? Holofernes?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Neither old nor new, but the Apocrypha -- Book of Judith.
  87. Blacks abjure museum visiting because their time-preference is short, its locus is nearly always in the right here and now: what happened yesterday is of no interest to blacks, so that what happened before they were born or before they arrived from Africa is also of no interest to them. Except, of course, when blacks know they can use a select element of the past (e.g., slavery time) to dun others for more of what blacks want in the here and now. This selectivity of elements of the past is also why the historical and present disproportion of black crime finds almost no black spokesman – it doesn’t satisfy blacks’ appetite for instant gratification or tribute in the here and now.

    Whites, on the other hand – especially genuinely conservative Whites, are interested in the past for both the broad and the specific lessons – historical, philosophical, political, aesthetic, &c. – that the past teaches. Except, of course, for White liberals who, to advance their present-day social & political agenda, indulge in the same historical element selectivity and emphasis that blacks indulge in (mirrored, naturally, in the Left-lib-Radical-“Progressive” Narrative that moves its goalposts without the need for that Narrative to be founded on enduring, solid virtuous, universal principle or scruple). Asking White liberals to embrace a comprehensive view of the past is like asking blacks to wear yesterday’s – last year’s most desirable – pair of Nikes.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I don't think "urban" blacks are comfortable any place they're expected to be quiet.
  88. @pinto

    Likewise, this painting is to encourage Jewess attendance at the Met

    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_11.15.jpg
     
    What is the name of that painting?

    Who are the people portrayed

    Judith and Holofernes painted by Lucas Cranach the Elder

  89. @JohnnyWalker123
    Incarceration rates have risen significantly among whites too since the 1980s. For whites, the incarceration rate for men aged 20-34 was 0.6 percent in 1980 and 1.8 percent in 2010. For blacks, the incarceration rate rose from 5.2 percent to 11.4 percent in the same time period.

    What remains constant is the roughly one standard (~0.9) deviation gap in incarceration rates between the races.

    It'd be interesting to figure out why the incarceration rate rose so much for both races since 1980, after having historically been fairly low for most of American history.

    The incarceration rate rose because of the huge crime wave of the 80s/early 90s, generally linked to the crack trade.

    • Replies: @jack shindo
    The crack trade as in Ronald Reagan's money for guns and drugs in Iran contra! Just like giving alcohol and pox stained blanked to the native Americans. That is real decency!
  90. @jon
    "Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons."

    I've often thought that the potential for athleticism in his offspring (implied by the brother's success) was a major motivation for Obama marrying her. After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was.

    Two daughters put an end to that dream.

    Craig’s daughter Leslie finished her freshman year at Princeton and didn’t start but averaged 9 minutes and 3 points per game. Plays at forward like her dad.

  91. @Mike Sylwester
    According to the Pew Research Center:

    In the year 2013, 82% of Blacks and 76% of Whites read at least one book.

    In the year 2013, the mean number of books read by Blacks was 12 and by Whites was 13.

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/

    That's not a big racial difference in the quantity of reading. Maybe there's a big difference in the quality of reading. (And maybe people lie about how much they read.)

    I suppose, though, that the people who visit museums are generally people who read a lot more than a book a month. I would guess that museum visitors read on the order of a book a week, and they read largely non-fiction.

    People who have not developed much intellectual context in history, science and art do not appreciate museum exhibits much.

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.

    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    No way. The median [of books read per year] is probably zero for both groups [Blacks and Whites].
     
    You probably are right.
    , @CK
    The median is the value that splits a group of observations into two equally sized subgroups.
    The mode is the most common value in a group of observations.
    The mean is the sum of the observations values divided by the number of observations.
    I suspect you were trying to suggest that the mode was zero for both groups. For the median to be zero many of the observed values would have to be negative. Reading a negative number of books in a year is known as television viewing.
    , @anonymous

    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.

     

    It's not just quantity, it's what's actually being read. Does reading 50 Shades or Harlequin romance novels actually count? Books on the occult or Afrocentric nonsense claiming authorship of everything?
    I don't believe these surveys that show parity of reading levels between groups because it doesn't conform to what's observed in everyday life. People just lie because they want to seem smart.
  92. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    Blacks were doomed the second American society no longer attempted to enforce white standards of behavior on them, which of course led to the casual bastardy, rampant crime, etc. we have seen from them since.

    What is this bogus thin called “white standards of behaviour”? Is it stealing native American land without paying rent or just compensation for property stolen, or equality for some but not for the rest. Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!
     
    And yada yada, the usual boilerplate stuff. Recognizing bad behavior "to the full extent of the law"? What does that mean? Is Ebonics your first language?
    , @bomag
    Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    The string was pulled, and the doll recited the usual lines.

    What jackshindo will never get is that there needs to be a metric that measures problems against accomplishments. European civilization has great accomplishments and their share of problems; likewise Asian civilization. African civilization has lots of problems and few accomplishments.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    My late father served in the Navy in World War II. He never talked about his service and said he never saw combat, but his service ribbons, here on my book shelf, show two battle stars. His ship, the USS Hamlin, a sea plane tender, was at Okinawa and in Tokyo Harbor for the surrender. The two atom bombs eliminated any need to invade main land Japan. More people died in the battle for Okinawa than were caused by the two bombs. Ending a war in the most expedient manner and with the fewest losses to your side is not bad behavior. And as a side note, I don't think any African country developed an atomic program.
    , @Tim Howells
    No excuses for Truman or Churchill - I'm with you there. But you can thank your lucky stars that the likes of Idi Amin and Augustin Bizimungu will never develop a nuclear capacity. Yes, we have our own sociopathic elites, and they are currently are forcing "integration" and "diversity" down our throats. All indicators of societal well being (literacy, intact families, low crime rates, etc) indicate that this agenda has been most destructive of all for the Black community.
  93. @Steve Sailer
    It's from the OT, right? Holofernes?

    Neither old nor new, but the Apocrypha — Book of Judith.

  94. @EvolutionistX
    The incarceration rate rose because of the huge crime wave of the 80s/early 90s, generally linked to the crack trade.

    The crack trade as in Ronald Reagan’s money for guns and drugs in Iran contra! Just like giving alcohol and pox stained blanked to the native Americans. That is real decency!

    • Replies: @William BadWhite
    My bad for responding to a troll, but

    "Just like giving alcohol and pox stained blanked to the native Americans. That is real decency!"

    Just curious, do you know when man (not any blacks involved) discovered the microbe? Hint: long after the Great SmallPox Blanket Massacre. Idiot
    , @Threecranes
    And just how did the conniving white men contrive to deliver those blankets without themselves becoming infected? Were they wearing hazmat suits? Gasmasks? Oh wait, couldn't have been gas masks because they were invented by some black man in the 20th century. Right?

    Think, son. Think.
  95. @Hereward
    Oscar Gold indeed!

    A tragedy that the Jerry Lewis Holocausplotation drama The Day the Clown Cried wasn’t ever released. That was Oscar gold!

  96. Some of you might enjoy an interview I did with Lynne Munson about the state of American art museums. Interesting stuff in there from her about developments in recent decades.

    BTW, for many years there *were* what were known as “black bookstores” — bookstores run by blacks, located in black neighborhoods, and often selling books that mainstream people and whites had no idea about. I’m pretty sure most of these stores have closed up in recent years, but they were a fixture on the book-publishing and book-reading scene for a long time. Here’s an article about Harlem’s Hue-Man Bookstore, one of the best-known of the bunch.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that African-Americans aren't all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

    Germans appear to be the top readers in the world at present, with maybe small northern places like Iceland even more bookish.

    But Tyler Cowen says that in many hours stuck sitting around Brazilian airports, he's never seen a local pull out a book to pass the time. I think Portugal banned printing presses in Brazil until maybe the later 18th Century. That's pretty similar to Islamic countries.

    On the other hand, Spain wasn't bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann.
  97. @pinto

    I’ve never seen a bookstore in a black-brown neighborhood; there’s no market there. I have to keep pinching myself in disbelief that this is actually the FLOTUS and not just a bad sci-fi movie. How did this ever happen?
     
    She really wants other black people to go more than she wants to go. Seriously, if she actually liked this cultural stuff, she would be talking about how great it is. Even Oprah has her book thing she does, which at least gives the appearance that she wants to read that stuff. Does Michelle have a contagious enthusiasm for well, anything? Or does she just complain?

    She really wants other black people to go more than she wants to go. Seriously, if she actually liked this cultural stuff, she would be talking about how great it is.

    Ha ha, it’s like Barack in 2008 telling Americans we should learn to speak a second language, and then it turned out he doesn’t. Michelle likes fancy hotels and shopping trips. Does she really like museums? (Confession: I don’t like museums that much myself and I’m white.)

  98. @Prof. Woland
    In a multicultural country, the only proper thing to do is allow each race / ethnic group to control their own cultural images and artifacts. The last time I looked, the Whitney was not named after Ms. Houston. I suspect that deep down, most minorities are extremely uncomfortable with whites reclaiming their cultural heritage knowing that is a critical step in racial consciousnesses.

    I suspect that deep down, most minorities are extremely uncomfortable with whites reclaiming their cultural heritage knowing that is a critical step in racial consciousnesses.

    Meh, I suspect they’re tired of SWPL bullshit on race and white people in general acting like pussies. They have to live with us too. Nobody likes a pussy.

  99. The teacher was teaching plurals.

    “What do you say when there’s more than one cow?”

    “Cows.”

    “Very good. What do you say when there’s more than one goose?”

    “Geese.”

    “Excellent, and what do you say when there’s more than one negro?”

    “We better leave now.”

  100. @Oswald Spengler
    Of course, Whitey is what remains after you take the "n(egroes)" out of Whitney.

    Good one!

  101. @Auntie Analogue
    Blacks abjure museum visiting because their time-preference is short, its locus is nearly always in the right here and now: what happened yesterday is of no interest to blacks, so that what happened before they were born or before they arrived from Africa is also of no interest to them. Except, of course, when blacks know they can use a select element of the past (e.g., slavery time) to dun others for more of what blacks want in the here and now. This selectivity of elements of the past is also why the historical and present disproportion of black crime finds almost no black spokesman - it doesn't satisfy blacks' appetite for instant gratification or tribute in the here and now.

    Whites, on the other hand - especially genuinely conservative Whites, are interested in the past for both the broad and the specific lessons - historical, philosophical, political, aesthetic, &c. - that the past teaches. Except, of course, for White liberals who, to advance their present-day social & political agenda, indulge in the same historical element selectivity and emphasis that blacks indulge in (mirrored, naturally, in the Left-lib-Radical-"Progressive" Narrative that moves its goalposts without the need for that Narrative to be founded on enduring, solid virtuous, universal principle or scruple). Asking White liberals to embrace a comprehensive view of the past is like asking blacks to wear yesterday's - last year's most desirable - pair of Nikes.

    I don’t think “urban” blacks are comfortable any place they’re expected to be quiet.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    I don’t think “urban” blacks are comfortable any place they’re expected to be quiet.
     
    I don't think "urban" blacks are comfortable any place where they aren't the ones imposing their expectations on everyone else.
  102. @Paleo Retiree
    Some of you might enjoy an interview I did with Lynne Munson about the state of American art museums. Interesting stuff in there from her about developments in recent decades.

    BTW, for many years there *were* what were known as "black bookstores" -- bookstores run by blacks, located in black neighborhoods, and often selling books that mainstream people and whites had no idea about. I'm pretty sure most of these stores have closed up in recent years, but they were a fixture on the book-publishing and book-reading scene for a long time. Here's an article about Harlem's Hue-Man Bookstore, one of the best-known of the bunch.

    My impression is that African-Americans aren’t all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

    Germans appear to be the top readers in the world at present, with maybe small northern places like Iceland even more bookish.

    But Tyler Cowen says that in many hours stuck sitting around Brazilian airports, he’s never seen a local pull out a book to pass the time. I think Portugal banned printing presses in Brazil until maybe the later 18th Century. That’s pretty similar to Islamic countries.

    On the other hand, Spain wasn’t bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann.

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    Years ago when I was a freshly-minted college liberal and listened to NPR for substance (hee-hee, haw-haw!), there was a news story that featured a young black girl who demonstrated her academic prowess by reciting the most wretched anti-white propaganda you can imagine. When the reporter questioned her mother about the source of that material, she proudly stated "at least she's reading."
    , @anonymous
    Chicago has a once a year book fair called the Printers Row Book Fair. It's centrally located in the Loop area and is easily accessible from any neighborhood by public transportation. The demographics of Chicago are somewhat close to a third for each major group-B-W-H. When one goes to the fair they can see who is interested in books and there's no surprises. The overwhelming mass of attendees are white. There's a much smaller contingent of Asians and blacks there. Since there's really not that many Asians they're probably overrepresented while the blacks are underrepresented. The blacks there strike me as being of the buppie nerd type who are comfortable hanging around majority white events; many seem like they might be teachers or work in something related to education. Also, they do have stalls specializing in black interest books with black authors, sellers and customers in attendance. Hispanics are generally absent. Of the ones I see many appear to be of the South American variety and are foreign born, either tourists or have moved here. The types of people that go to book fairs are visibly different from the ones that go to other events such as cage fighting. Not very many neck tattoos to be seen.
    , @syonredux

    My impression is that African-Americans aren’t all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

     

    Here's a survey on reading rates:


    Percentage of American adults (18+) who have read at least one book in the last year:

    White: 76%

    Black:81%

    Hispanic: 67%

    Mean number of books read by adults (18+) in the past 12 months:

    White:13

    Black: 12

    Hispanic: 7

    Median:

    White:5

    Black: 4

    Hispanic: 3

    Now, this is self-reported, so maybe the Blacks are lying.On the other hand, growing up in CA, I did notice that Blacks seemed to read more books than Hispanic Mestizos/Amerinds.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/
  103. @George Taylor
    "subtle forms of exclusion" and "micro aggressions" may I be the first to suggest that racism may exist at the sub atomic level and perhaps the CERN Large Hadron Collider should be tasked to look into it.

    “racism may exist at the sub atomic level and perhaps the CERN Large Hadron Collider should be tasked to look into it.”

    Makes sense. They are looking for “Dark Matter” aren’t they?

  104. This post is best appreciated while listening to a stirring rendition of ‘America the Beautiful’.

    It appears America’s ‘manifest destiny’ in the 21st century is to be constantly harangued about the many facets of ‘institutional racism’.

  105. @Harold
    Whenever I go to a museum the proprietor always comes out arms held wide and with a beaming face. “Welcome, welcome,” he says before embracing me and patting me on the back. “So glad you have come to visit our humble museum. Would you like me to show you around, or are you happy just to look about on your own?” He asks, or something to that effect. Normally I am happy to look around by myself, but the proprieteor always makes sure that I know that if I have any questions or need anything, not to be shy just to call out. When I am leaving they always give me a cheery goodbye, offer me a free muffin for the road, and tell me I am always welcome.

    How the hell can you be made to feel welcome or unwelcome at a museum? There is no interaction with staff whatsoever (unless you do something wrong).

    “How the hell can you be made to feel welcome or unwelcome at a museum?”

    I’m guessing that that young black guys coming in to check out, say, the miniatures exhibition inspire visibly heightened vigilance among the security guards.

  106. Wyrd says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that African-Americans aren't all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

    Germans appear to be the top readers in the world at present, with maybe small northern places like Iceland even more bookish.

    But Tyler Cowen says that in many hours stuck sitting around Brazilian airports, he's never seen a local pull out a book to pass the time. I think Portugal banned printing presses in Brazil until maybe the later 18th Century. That's pretty similar to Islamic countries.

    On the other hand, Spain wasn't bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann.

    Years ago when I was a freshly-minted college liberal and listened to NPR for substance (hee-hee, haw-haw!), there was a news story that featured a young black girl who demonstrated her academic prowess by reciting the most wretched anti-white propaganda you can imagine. When the reporter questioned her mother about the source of that material, she proudly stated “at least she’s reading.”

  107. @wakey wakey
    Hispanics of all hues are countedas "white" perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true.

    Back before the immivasion this would have been statistically unimportant but today the FBI's insane policy is producing a deliberated distorted picture of "white" crime in America.

    Wake up. There is no mystery regarding a white crime rate suddenly spiking "higher" -- or should I say ... uh ... "mas alto" ...

    ‘Hispanics of all hues are counted as “white” perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true.”

    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as “White” in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department. Apparently every single Hispanic MLB player from Venezuela, the Caribbean, and Panama are “White”. I didn’t know all of Latin America is basically just a racial extension of Europe.

    • Replies: @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as “White” in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department.

    I literally just caught about a minute of Rock's bit on HBO's Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel. Lamenting the decline (20% down to 8%) of black participation. It was really weird the way he talked over a picture of supposedly "all white" St Louts Cardinals players in which one of the five or six was clearly non-white (latino/black mix). Much like Sailer's control-f for "immigr" theme, I briefly wondered whether Rock might question latinos replacing blacks.

    But his point was that Baseball Is Too White!!! to attract blacks. I guess in the past it was less Too White!!!! Or maybe those black ballplayers were all Uncle Toms?

    Let's start a list of traditional things that are Too White!!! for blacks: Baseball, museums, libraries, the three R's, respect for the law, ... How can we get some color into these areas to attract them and get them through the door?

  108. @International Jew

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.
     
    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.

    No way. The median [of books read per year] is probably zero for both groups [Blacks and Whites].

    You probably are right.

  109. The problem is as eternal as the hunger of black leadership for a hobby horse to ride into riches and power.

  110. @ Steve Sailer: “Germans appear to be the top readers in the world at present, with maybe small northern places like Iceland even more bookish.” My impression is that the percentage of germans who read high-brow fictional or non-fictional books is same as everywhere else. The difference is that after a certain age german women start reading books which are basically the same as soap operas, only published as a book and not shown in TV. And they do this a lot

  111. @Harold
    Whenever I go to a museum the proprietor always comes out arms held wide and with a beaming face. “Welcome, welcome,” he says before embracing me and patting me on the back. “So glad you have come to visit our humble museum. Would you like me to show you around, or are you happy just to look about on your own?” He asks, or something to that effect. Normally I am happy to look around by myself, but the proprieteor always makes sure that I know that if I have any questions or need anything, not to be shy just to call out. When I am leaving they always give me a cheery goodbye, offer me a free muffin for the road, and tell me I am always welcome.

    How the hell can you be made to feel welcome or unwelcome at a museum? There is no interaction with staff whatsoever (unless you do something wrong).

    Whenever I go to a museum the proprietor always comes out arms held wide and with a beaming face. “Welcome, welcome,” …..

    When Michelle Obama visits a museum, that is how she is treated.

  112. @Yevardian
    Ron Unz should really get Theodore Dalrymple on here. He's among the greatest humane-conservative writers ever; yet he's caged up on an obscure self-caricaturing site dedicated to histrionic Eurabia/Muslim-bashing. He doesn't fit there at all.

    I’ll second that. Dalrymple definitely goes unnoticed in a lot of internet discussions, but I think that his sort of humane conservatism is one of the best things going, and I think he grasps that one of the absolutely worst things you can do for others is to lead them down the path of vice, by act or omission.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Theodore Dalrymple:

    http://takimag.com/contributor/tonydaniels/314#axzz3ZuaTHVco

  113. “I don’t think “urban” blacks are comfortable any place they’re expected to be quiet.”

    The ‘quiet’ norm in museums is just one of the many institutionally racist things keeping blacks away. We need vibrant display spaces echoing with the boisterous, yet wise, conversation of black voices, emanating from black bodies.

  114. @George Taylor
    "subtle forms of exclusion" and "micro aggressions" may I be the first to suggest that racism may exist at the sub atomic level and perhaps the CERN Large Hadron Collider should be tasked to look into it.

    That’s funny. I laughed out loud.

  115. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...

    You need a Youtube auxiliary crew to help throw together some of your (and your commenters’) ideas like this in a form that doesn’t require, you know, reading. You probably remember I’ve made that point before.

  116. @BucephalusXYZ
    I'll second that. Dalrymple definitely goes unnoticed in a lot of internet discussions, but I think that his sort of humane conservatism is one of the best things going, and I think he grasps that one of the absolutely worst things you can do for others is to lead them down the path of vice, by act or omission.
  117. Today, the media portrays blacks as timid, fearful, weighed down by the burdens of centuries, under the control of past ages’ injustices, living museum relics unable to move under their own volition, a race caught hopelessly in a malign web spun hundreds (but not thousands!) of years ago.

    To be fair, that is pretty much supported by HBD (except for the implicit finger pointing). Sub Saharan Africans evolved down a different path, and they haven’t adapted well to Western civilization, especially given the massive social and technological changes of the past few hundred years which favor ethnic groups with low time preference, abstract reasoning skills and greater group socialization. Maybe the NYT is laying the ground work to coopt genetic research into left wing policies on race.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    To be fair, that is pretty much supported by HBD (except for the implicit finger pointing). Sub Saharan Africans evolved down a different path, and they haven’t adapted well to Western civilization, especially given the massive social and technological changes of the past few hundred years which favor ethnic groups with low time preference, abstract reasoning skills and greater group socialization.
     
    Yeah, they evolved down the path that involved them getting to stay where they began and everybody else having to find a new place to live. From an evolutionary perspective, that usually means the putstayers are doing better than the fleeers. Likewise, looking at present birthrates suggests the same thing. Voltaire's insult test is a third confirmation.
    , @pseudonymic handle
    They are obsolete farm equipment - no more, no less.
  118. • Replies: @Fish
    Why would this be "ulcer time"? If she's got the chops then good for her.

    Now run along....you've got a basement to clean and air out!
  119. @Yevardian
    Ron Unz should really get Theodore Dalrymple on here. He's among the greatest humane-conservative writers ever; yet he's caged up on an obscure self-caricaturing site dedicated to histrionic Eurabia/Muslim-bashing. He doesn't fit there at all.

    “he’s (Dalrymple)caged up on an obscure self-caricaturing site dedicated to histrionic Eurabia/Muslim-bashing”

    That’s no way to talk about City Journal.

    http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47

    (The Skeptical Doctor site also tries to link to all the great man’s output)

  120. @ingo


    Those figures were for non-Hispanic whites.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/13/LowIncomeMen/Imprisonment/rpt_imprisonment.pdf

    For Hispanics, the incarceration rate rose from 2.3 to 3.7 percent.

     

    I clicked on that link and did a search for the word "asian."

    Not there.

    They totally ignore Asians. I mean, there are some Asians in prison. Why are Asians always ignored?

    I was surprised to see a large number of Asians (mostly male and Muslim rather than Hindu) walking up Snowdon in Wales this Easter. Perhaps one in three or four people on the Pyg track to the summit. Generally the high hills are SWPL country.

  121. @Nathan Wartooth
    "There is almost no “structural racism”. On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks."

    Will Smith would like to have a word with you.

    I'm not even a movie buff and I can think of several movies where he was the leading man. The superhero movie where he plays a "normal guy" superhero who likes to drink, the movie where he is one of the last survivors in a zombie apocalypse, all of the MiB movies, that one with his kid where they travel to an overgrown earth and I'm sure several others. Like I said, I don't really watch movies and I can't remember their names, but even I can come up with several examples.

    Mr. Freeman has a bone to pick with you sir.
    As do Mr. Fishburne, Mr. Perry, and Mr. Howard.

  122. Here’s a novel idea. What if we make big art stars out of black vandalists? That will get them packing the museums.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    And people will get shot at the opening.
  123. CK says:
    @International Jew

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.
     
    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.

    The median is the value that splits a group of observations into two equally sized subgroups.
    The mode is the most common value in a group of observations.
    The mean is the sum of the observations values divided by the number of observations.
    I suspect you were trying to suggest that the mode was zero for both groups. For the median to be zero many of the observed values would have to be negative. Reading a negative number of books in a year is known as television viewing.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    The median is the value that splits a group of observations into two equally sized subgroups.
    The mode is the most common value in a group of observations.
    The mean is the sum of the observations values divided by the number of observations.
    I suspect you were trying to suggest that the mode was zero for both groups.
     
    The two groups are White readers of books and Black readers of books.
    , @International Jew
    Thanks for that tutorial, but no need ;)

    If more than 50% of the people read no books, then the median is zero. The mode is zero too, of course.
  124. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jack shindo
    What is this bogus thin called "white standards of behaviour"? Is it stealing native American land without paying rent or just compensation for property stolen, or equality for some but not for the rest. Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    And yada yada, the usual boilerplate stuff. Recognizing bad behavior “to the full extent of the law”? What does that mean? Is Ebonics your first language?

  125. There was the time that a group of blacks visited the Art Institute of Chicago .. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/13/us/chicago-aldermen-and-police-seize-portrait-that-blacks-deem-offensive.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A great moment from my years in Chicago.
  126. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.
     
    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.

    No way. The median is probably zero for both groups.

    It’s not just quantity, it’s what’s actually being read. Does reading 50 Shades or Harlequin romance novels actually count? Books on the occult or Afrocentric nonsense claiming authorship of everything?
    I don’t believe these surveys that show parity of reading levels between groups because it doesn’t conform to what’s observed in everyday life. People just lie because they want to seem smart.

  127. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    “On the other hand, Spain wasn’t bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann.” My wife’s grandfather ran a printing press for the Navy in Guam during WWII.

    • Replies: @Jim
    Guam was occupied by Japan during most of WWII. It was liberated by US troops in July, 1944. Your wife's grandfather must have been there after that.

    There's nothing surprising about printing presses on Guam. It's not a land of savages.
  128. @Anon
    There was the time that a group of blacks visited the Art Institute of Chicago .. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/13/us/chicago-aldermen-and-police-seize-portrait-that-blacks-deem-offensive.html

    A great moment from my years in Chicago.

  129. @Peter Akuleyev

    Today, the media portrays blacks as timid, fearful, weighed down by the burdens of centuries, under the control of past ages’ injustices, living museum relics unable to move under their own volition, a race caught hopelessly in a malign web spun hundreds (but not thousands!) of years ago.
     
    To be fair, that is pretty much supported by HBD (except for the implicit finger pointing). Sub Saharan Africans evolved down a different path, and they haven't adapted well to Western civilization, especially given the massive social and technological changes of the past few hundred years which favor ethnic groups with low time preference, abstract reasoning skills and greater group socialization. Maybe the NYT is laying the ground work to coopt genetic research into left wing policies on race.

    To be fair, that is pretty much supported by HBD (except for the implicit finger pointing). Sub Saharan Africans evolved down a different path, and they haven’t adapted well to Western civilization, especially given the massive social and technological changes of the past few hundred years which favor ethnic groups with low time preference, abstract reasoning skills and greater group socialization.

    Yeah, they evolved down the path that involved them getting to stay where they began and everybody else having to find a new place to live. From an evolutionary perspective, that usually means the putstayers are doing better than the fleeers. Likewise, looking at present birthrates suggests the same thing. Voltaire’s insult test is a third confirmation.

  130. @Paul Mendez
    I grew up in Washington DC during the 60's. It is my impression that the black kids I went to school with were a lot "whiter" back then. We had the same names, wore the same kinds of clothes, played the same sports, watched the same TV shows, listened to much the same music and had a lot of the same heroes.

    I was actually more comfortable around most black kids than I was around "Grits" -- the children of West Virginians who migrated to DC after WW2. Grits wore different clothes (like blue jeans with rolled cuffs), greased their hair, had funny names like "Johnny Ray," and listened to hillbilly music. In the early 60s, blacks were still somewhat in awe of my whiteness, and most treated me with a little deference. The Grits weren't afraid to beat me - or them - up.

    Today, Grits have assimilated into white culture, while blacks have diverged into a completely new culture with their own names, clothes, entertainment and values. While going to a mostly black school in the 60s definitely had its drawbacks, it wasn't the shear hell it is for white kids today.

    I too attended integrated schools during the time period you mention and back you up completely. Only difference was, what you called “Grits”, we called “Greasers”–duck tail hair with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in the shoulder of a short sleeve tee shirt–in grade school no less! Older brothers wore satin jackets with some kind of oriental Korean war motif and the expression;

    “And When he gets to heaven,
    To Saint Peter he will tell;
    One more Soldier reporting, sir.
    I’ve served my time in Hell!”

    I knew (white) kids who woke up early and helped their fathers check their trap lines along the levee before they straggled into school in the morning–course they slept till noon in their chairs and weren’t known for their scholarly achievement but they weren’t trouble makers.

    And the black kids were well behaved too. It’s still an indelible memory, etched into my brain, of a black father on PTA night standing behind his son holding him by the shoulders and saying to the white teacher while looking her straight in the eye, “If he gives you any trouble, don’t be afraid to discipline him.” He was completely in earnest. Of course both his sons were well dressed, courteous and went on to excellent achievements in high school in sports and academics and (I hope) adult careers.

    It’s hard for me to sympathize with phonies like Charles Blow, Jesse Jackson and Michelle Obama after having known blacks since childhood. I try not to let their evil bile poison all my perceptions of blacks, but it’s an uphill battle. They have sacrificed their race’s chances for acceptance and success just to advance their own (too narrowly conceived) self interest.

    • Replies: @okie
    i went to high school in the 80's at a magnet school(convert the old black school into a academic magnet to draw in the smart fraction whose parents didn't want to or couldn't pay private tuition, but keep enough blacks to win state championships in FB and BB) in a 10% black town of 400,000, and even then the few black kids who wanted to achieve academically were being labeled OREO. I cant imagine how much worse that sort of peer pressure must have gotten in the last 30 yrs. FYI this is Tulsa where the Outsiders was written in the early 60's and filmed at this time, 25 yrs afters SE Hinton's life experience which does sound like the above commenters experiences
  131. OT: Massachusetts Beach Brawl on Mother’s Day, black people again.

    When I first saw this story, I thought, “probably black people.” Then I looked further and my hunch was confirmed. I guess that makes me a racist. Who cares? Because I am a white goy, I am automatically guilty anyway, and everything is my fault.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Because I am a white goy, I am automatically guilty anyway, and everything is my fault.
     
    Pasta, or Risotto, with your whine?
  132. The notion of terrified blacks cowering at the feet of cruel, heartless whites is one of the more hilarious modern inventions. There seems to be lots of backwards-looking areas of debate these days. Catholic clergy, for example, seem stuck in this view of the poor as medieval peasantry. Liberals are convinced that Pinochet and Nixon are still lurking somewhere, waiting to arrest them for that joint they smoked in high school.

    Actually, I think what this is telling us is that Boomers in their 60’s and 70s still have a lot of influence.

  133. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...

    Truly laughing out loud. Excellent.

  134. @Buzz Mohawk
    OT: Massachusetts Beach Brawl on Mother's Day, black people again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIXiDca0dk

    When I first saw this story, I thought, "probably black people." Then I looked further and my hunch was confirmed. I guess that makes me a racist. Who cares? Because I am a white goy, I am automatically guilty anyway, and everything is my fault.

    Because I am a white goy, I am automatically guilty anyway, and everything is my fault.

    Pasta, or Risotto, with your whine?

  135. @Truth
    Ulcer time:

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/new-star-scientist-heads-atlanta-crime-lab/nmDnM/

    Why would this be “ulcer time”? If she’s got the chops then good for her.

    Now run along….you’ve got a basement to clean and air out!

    • Replies: @Truth
    So you don't believe she's A.A.?
  136. The same story over and over. The exclusion of black bodies. In this case, the racist white space of museums excluding, nay rejecting black bodies. As if following a subtle racist law of physics whereby black bodies cannot occupy white spaces. Black bodies can only exist in the void of segregation.

  137. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that African-Americans aren't all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

    Germans appear to be the top readers in the world at present, with maybe small northern places like Iceland even more bookish.

    But Tyler Cowen says that in many hours stuck sitting around Brazilian airports, he's never seen a local pull out a book to pass the time. I think Portugal banned printing presses in Brazil until maybe the later 18th Century. That's pretty similar to Islamic countries.

    On the other hand, Spain wasn't bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann.

    Chicago has a once a year book fair called the Printers Row Book Fair. It’s centrally located in the Loop area and is easily accessible from any neighborhood by public transportation. The demographics of Chicago are somewhat close to a third for each major group-B-W-H. When one goes to the fair they can see who is interested in books and there’s no surprises. The overwhelming mass of attendees are white. There’s a much smaller contingent of Asians and blacks there. Since there’s really not that many Asians they’re probably overrepresented while the blacks are underrepresented. The blacks there strike me as being of the buppie nerd type who are comfortable hanging around majority white events; many seem like they might be teachers or work in something related to education. Also, they do have stalls specializing in black interest books with black authors, sellers and customers in attendance. Hispanics are generally absent. Of the ones I see many appear to be of the South American variety and are foreign born, either tourists or have moved here. The types of people that go to book fairs are visibly different from the ones that go to other events such as cage fighting. Not very many neck tattoos to be seen.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are a little more bookish than you'd expect from other indicators and Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you'd project.
    , @syonredux
    I'll toss in a CA anecdote.When I was a teenager, I would really look forward to the annual library sales.A whole bag of books for a couple of dollars! This was in Sacramento, and the turn out was massively White Anglo (say, 90%+).East Asians were surprisingly few, but Hispanic Mestizos/Amerinds were virtually non-existent.Blacks, though, were pretty visible.
  138. @Fish
    Why would this be "ulcer time"? If she's got the chops then good for her.

    Now run along....you've got a basement to clean and air out!

    So you don’t believe she’s A.A.?

  139. @Desiderius

    Even museums specifically created for black grievances, such as the Cincinnati Underground Railroad Museum, somehow subtly exclude blacks. In fact this museum, to stave-off bankruptcy from a lack of black attendance, is now running an exhibit sure to draw hordes that will pump money into the coffers. The topic: Auschwitz.
     
    It's known locally as the Slavery Museum and although it sits on about the most valuable real-estate in town, it's been a huge money sink. It's not just lacking black attendance.

    I spent some time in Cincinnati, and I never met one person who had been to that museum. I usually visit most museums in an area where I’m living or visiting, from famous to obscure, but I could never bring myself to do it.

  140. @anonymous
    Chicago has a once a year book fair called the Printers Row Book Fair. It's centrally located in the Loop area and is easily accessible from any neighborhood by public transportation. The demographics of Chicago are somewhat close to a third for each major group-B-W-H. When one goes to the fair they can see who is interested in books and there's no surprises. The overwhelming mass of attendees are white. There's a much smaller contingent of Asians and blacks there. Since there's really not that many Asians they're probably overrepresented while the blacks are underrepresented. The blacks there strike me as being of the buppie nerd type who are comfortable hanging around majority white events; many seem like they might be teachers or work in something related to education. Also, they do have stalls specializing in black interest books with black authors, sellers and customers in attendance. Hispanics are generally absent. Of the ones I see many appear to be of the South American variety and are foreign born, either tourists or have moved here. The types of people that go to book fairs are visibly different from the ones that go to other events such as cage fighting. Not very many neck tattoos to be seen.

    African-Americans are a little more bookish than you’d expect from other indicators and Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    African-Americans are a little more bookish than you’d expect
     
    My wife loves to go to garage sales, and I've gone to a thousand garage sales with her. When the family doing the sale is African-American, they usually are selling some of their used books. The book subjects are largely related to their being African-Americans.

    Recently I was at such a sale, and I bought David Brock's book The Real Anita Hill and an anthology of Negro poetry for a dollar apiece.

    I started reading The Real Anita Hill the next day and couldn't put it down. That book is a masterpiece of investigative reporting -- a devastating denunciation of Hill's accusations against Clarence Thomas. I wondered what the African-American woman (a teacher, I think) who sold the book to me thought of it.

    Judging from garage sales, people read a lot of romantic fiction, books about crime, and self-help books.

    , @Abe

    Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.
     
    Steve, your riffing on the actual non-vibrancy of our fastest-growing segment of the vibrant population is the most brilliant extended performance since Zeppelin played the Forum in '77.

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Our best friends are SOCAL refugees who still have most of their family there. These solid, white working-class people are well on their way to interbreeding with the more with-it Hispanics down there, so instead of a horrible Balkans-like future for America, I see a revivified white Latin majority. It'll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50's with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive. Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli . But I guess the names will still end in vowels...
  141. @unit472
    Doug Wilder ( first black Governor of Virginia) tried to get a Museum of Slavery up and running. He even raised a couple of million for a site in Fredericksburg, Virginia but even he couldn't get it up and running and the project went bankrupt a few years ago.

    That blacks could not fund and create a museum to preserve something so central to their history and current view of the world ought to tell Michelle Obama something. Even the Martin Luther King Center in Atlanta is a pathetic bit of hucksterism masquerading as an important historical archive. Its 'exhibits' are mostly old newspaper clippings ( well the King siblings sold off any real artifacts) and it exists mainly to sell MLK kitsch in the gift shops. I heard blacks complain the place, in particular the toilets, are filthy but what else should we expect. Is anything created and run by blacks not poorly managed and shabby?

    Perhaps black museums should take note of how Christian churches gained popularity in black communities. Shed the stiff whitey routine and make the experience more about singing, dancing, and fainting from the emotional splendor of it all.

  142. @CK
    The median is the value that splits a group of observations into two equally sized subgroups.
    The mode is the most common value in a group of observations.
    The mean is the sum of the observations values divided by the number of observations.
    I suspect you were trying to suggest that the mode was zero for both groups. For the median to be zero many of the observed values would have to be negative. Reading a negative number of books in a year is known as television viewing.

    The median is the value that splits a group of observations into two equally sized subgroups.
    The mode is the most common value in a group of observations.
    The mean is the sum of the observations values divided by the number of observations.
    I suspect you were trying to suggest that the mode was zero for both groups.

    The two groups are White readers of books and Black readers of books.

  143. @Buffalo Joe
    Blacks love to hyphenate names, so call it the Whitney-Houston Museum and there will be a line of brothers and sisters out the door. There already exists a museum devotedly solely to African American history, the Charles H. Wright Museum of African American history in Detroit The museum has existed for fifty years and has been kept afloat by donations from racist whites. Well at least Mr. Blow thinks all whites are racists.

    I wonder who keeps the DuSable Museum in Chicago afloat? http://www.dusablemuseum.org/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    I am sorry, but I know nothing about the Du Sable Museum in Chicago. My knowledge of the Charles H. Wright museum, and it's financial difficulties, comes from reading the Detroit Free Press during Detroit's bankruptcy proceedings. There were editorials written by Rochelle Riley about the need for the "community" to step up and support the Wright. Major funding for the museum had come from the Big Three auto makers and the city of Detroit. Membership was listed as 7000 members, mostly students, down from 20,000.
  144. @JohnnyWalker123
    Incarceration rates have risen significantly among whites too since the 1980s. For whites, the incarceration rate for men aged 20-34 was 0.6 percent in 1980 and 1.8 percent in 2010. For blacks, the incarceration rate rose from 5.2 percent to 11.4 percent in the same time period.

    What remains constant is the roughly one standard (~0.9) deviation gap in incarceration rates between the races.

    It'd be interesting to figure out why the incarceration rate rose so much for both races since 1980, after having historically been fairly low for most of American history.

    The War on Drugs.

  145. “What the first lady actually said was:

    “You see, there are so many kids in this country who look at places like museums and concert halls and other cultural centers and they think to themselves, well, that’s not a place for me, for someone who looks like me, for someone who comes from my neighborhood. In fact, I guarantee you that right now, there are kids living less than a mile from here who would never in a million years dream that they would be welcome in this museum.””

    i.e., in content, Michell Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Michelle Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    Michelle is really off the leash now that Barack doesn't have to run again. Her commencement speech at Tuskegee was really something. I have to admit even I was taken aback at the amount of anger and resentment she expressed about the nation that elected her husband president. You normally don't lash out like this when you're a high public figure. It was unseemly. But, of course, that's just how I took it--the MSM lapped it up.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/05/09/remarks-first-lady-tuskegee-university-commencement-address

    , @anonymous

    i.e., in content, Michell Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.
     
    Notice how everything, in this case urging young blacks to avail themselves more of public institutions such as museums, gets twisted into a barb aimed at whites. Everything, even the most mundane of subjects, has to be turned into a sniper attack upon whites. That woman is one nasty hater. The public mindedness that's led to the effort and expense being made to have these sorts of institutions available to the public is ignored. Instead the unnamed people-but we know who she's referring to-are to blame for not getting down on their hands and knees and literally begging these youths to come on over.
  146. @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are a little more bookish than you'd expect from other indicators and Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you'd project.

    African-Americans are a little more bookish than you’d expect

    My wife loves to go to garage sales, and I’ve gone to a thousand garage sales with her. When the family doing the sale is African-American, they usually are selling some of their used books. The book subjects are largely related to their being African-Americans.

    Recently I was at such a sale, and I bought David Brock’s book The Real Anita Hill and an anthology of Negro poetry for a dollar apiece.

    I started reading The Real Anita Hill the next day and couldn’t put it down. That book is a masterpiece of investigative reporting — a devastating denunciation of Hill’s accusations against Clarence Thomas. I wondered what the African-American woman (a teacher, I think) who sold the book to me thought of it.

    Judging from garage sales, people read a lot of romantic fiction, books about crime, and self-help books.

  147. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    This Chicago Historical Society changed its name to reflect the “city changing and growing in response to crises and world events,” whatever that means. The museum, the city’s oldest institution, was a somewhat elitist place, but now it seems more dumbed down and politically correct. Sometimes elitism is a good thing. Would Europe have all of its great cathedrals and great city layouts without an aristocracy behind it all? Not everything needs to be designed around the lowest common denominator of society.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-02-11/news/0602110092_1_oldest-cultural-institution-museum-in-recent-years-museum-officials

  148. Almost every article that Blow writes is about black this, black that, black t’other. Blackity-black blackness is all that seems to interest him. He’s a professional black man. If even black journalists exhibit no interest in anything other than the black-beat, maybe it’s understandable that whites think that white culture does not appeal to blacks.

  149. Commenter “Mor” over at Blow’s article left an astute comment. After pointing out that there are classes of whites who don’t feel “welcome” in (that is, couldn’t care less about) museums, he writes: “Making cultural institutions more ‘welcoming’ to such people can easily translate into dumbing-down of complex, unsettling and demanding works of art to pander to the lowest common denominator. When you encounter high culture it is up to you to raise yourself it its level. It is not supposed to stoop to yours.”

    That’s true of history and science museums as well, and many American museums having been dumbing themselves down as “outreach” to people who simply aren’t interested. (Apparently “interactivity” – lots of pointless noise and flashy lights on a computer screen – is thought to have the magical property of instilling appreciation of high culture in the indifferent.) This only results in annoying the people who are.

    Funny how some people are curious about and can enjoy alien high cultures, without any “outreach” at all. Seems like anywhere you go in the Western world, there are appreciative East Asian tourists grooving on the contents of the temples, great and small, ancient, medieval, and modern, of European culture. And all this with no more attempt at providing “accessibility” than the occasional courtesy translation of titles or explanatory notes into Chinese or Japanese. (Never been to China, but I’d bet its great museums and historical sites are crawling with white tourists.) And it’s not as if there’s no historical bad blood here, which is supposed to make everything so “unwelcoming”.

    Maybe the Whitney could ring up, say, the myriad medieval abbeys, churches, and small historical museums dotted throughout Sticksville, France, and ask the proprieters for the magic recipe for providing “accessbility” for people to whom these sites cannot have any immediate “relevance”, that, in fact, represent a wholly alien culture at a remove of centuries. And yet there you’ll find ’em, even on a slow day in the off-season, a family of Chinese tourists somehow managing to enjoy a site that couldn’t possibly mean anything to them until some PC curator manages to dredge up (or fabricate) some obscure Chinese connection, right? (OK, in some regions they may be coming or going from buying up vineyards, but still…)

  150. @Steve Sailer
    They kept trying to get me to borrow one of their Klimts, but I was like, "Who likes Klimt? How much money do Klimts go for? Come on, be serious."

    Thornton Mellon’s wife Vanessa loved Klimt!

  151. @Steve Sailer
    My impression is that African-Americans aren't all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

    Germans appear to be the top readers in the world at present, with maybe small northern places like Iceland even more bookish.

    But Tyler Cowen says that in many hours stuck sitting around Brazilian airports, he's never seen a local pull out a book to pass the time. I think Portugal banned printing presses in Brazil until maybe the later 18th Century. That's pretty similar to Islamic countries.

    On the other hand, Spain wasn't bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann.

    My impression is that African-Americans aren’t all that uninclined to read, relative to the usual factors. Mexicans and Brazilians seem more anti-book.

    Here’s a survey on reading rates:

    Percentage of American adults (18+) who have read at least one book in the last year:

    White: 76%

    Black:81%

    Hispanic: 67%

    Mean number of books read by adults (18+) in the past 12 months:

    White:13

    Black: 12

    Hispanic: 7

    Median:

    White:5

    Black: 4

    Hispanic: 3

    Now, this is self-reported, so maybe the Blacks are lying.On the other hand, growing up in CA, I did notice that Blacks seemed to read more books than Hispanic Mestizos/Amerinds.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/

  152. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...

    Hilarious! The book reproductions somehow convey the impression that the Seuart work is a standard sort of picture frame size. It was startling walking into the gallery and seeing it was the size of a freeway billboard.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Yeah, I had the same impression of its size until I saw the picture at Sailer’s link.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Seurat's Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences because it's huge and the Art Institute of Chicago gives it a worthy prime location. Nothing beats Michelangelo's David for impact, but for paintings the Chicago Seurat is up there with some of the Louvre's monster canvases like The Wreck of the Hesperus.
  153. Saw an interesting chart last night that shows, inter alia, how minor, in dollar terms, the things people seem to care most about as compared to ‘lotto ticket revenue’. The numbers.

    Lottery ticket sales- $70.5 billion
    Sports Tickets- $17.8 billion
    Books- $14.6 billion ( my guess is this excludes text books)
    Video Games-$13.1 billion
    Movie Box Office- $10.7 billion
    Music- $6.8 billion

    I have no idea what movie and TV revenue is if you count all its revenue streams ( foreign box office, internet streaming, DVD sales etc and the same could be said for music and sports too but the whole complex of ‘entertainment’ is relatively tiny in economic terms. What it does show is just how behind the curve blacks are for these are the fields blacks put almost all their effort to succeed in ( other than video games). How many blacks aspire to be ‘rappers’? Well perhaps 90% of all black male homicide victims are reported to be aspirational ‘rappers’. If blacks controlled 90% of the music/motion picture/Sports and literary revenue would they make as much money as Apple does from iPhones or a few oil and gas tycoons?

    • Replies: @TWS
    Because you cannot buy admission to the Met with your pocket change when you're paying for your morning coffee or filling up your gas tank.
  154. @josh
    Here's a novel idea. What if we make big art stars out of black vandalists? That will get them packing the museums.

    And people will get shot at the opening.

  155. @anonymous
    Chicago has a once a year book fair called the Printers Row Book Fair. It's centrally located in the Loop area and is easily accessible from any neighborhood by public transportation. The demographics of Chicago are somewhat close to a third for each major group-B-W-H. When one goes to the fair they can see who is interested in books and there's no surprises. The overwhelming mass of attendees are white. There's a much smaller contingent of Asians and blacks there. Since there's really not that many Asians they're probably overrepresented while the blacks are underrepresented. The blacks there strike me as being of the buppie nerd type who are comfortable hanging around majority white events; many seem like they might be teachers or work in something related to education. Also, they do have stalls specializing in black interest books with black authors, sellers and customers in attendance. Hispanics are generally absent. Of the ones I see many appear to be of the South American variety and are foreign born, either tourists or have moved here. The types of people that go to book fairs are visibly different from the ones that go to other events such as cage fighting. Not very many neck tattoos to be seen.

    I’ll toss in a CA anecdote.When I was a teenager, I would really look forward to the annual library sales.A whole bag of books for a couple of dollars! This was in Sacramento, and the turn out was massively White Anglo (say, 90%+).East Asians were surprisingly few, but Hispanic Mestizos/Amerinds were virtually non-existent.Blacks, though, were pretty visible.

  156. @Mr. Anon
    "What the first lady actually said was:

    “You see, there are so many kids in this country who look at places like museums and concert halls and other cultural centers and they think to themselves, well, that’s not a place for me, for someone who looks like me, for someone who comes from my neighborhood. In fact, I guarantee you that right now, there are kids living less than a mile from here who would never in a million years dream that they would be welcome in this museum.”"

    i.e., in content, Michell Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    Michelle Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    Michelle is really off the leash now that Barack doesn’t have to run again. Her commencement speech at Tuskegee was really something. I have to admit even I was taken aback at the amount of anger and resentment she expressed about the nation that elected her husband president. You normally don’t lash out like this when you’re a high public figure. It was unseemly. But, of course, that’s just how I took it–the MSM lapped it up.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/05/09/remarks-first-lady-tuskegee-university-commencement-address

    • Replies: @Truth
    You seem to show anger and resentment toward the nation that has provided you a good life in practically every post.
  157. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    "What the first lady actually said was:

    “You see, there are so many kids in this country who look at places like museums and concert halls and other cultural centers and they think to themselves, well, that’s not a place for me, for someone who looks like me, for someone who comes from my neighborhood. In fact, I guarantee you that right now, there are kids living less than a mile from here who would never in a million years dream that they would be welcome in this museum.”"

    i.e., in content, Michell Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    i.e., in content, Michell Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    Notice how everything, in this case urging young blacks to avail themselves more of public institutions such as museums, gets twisted into a barb aimed at whites. Everything, even the most mundane of subjects, has to be turned into a sniper attack upon whites. That woman is one nasty hater. The public mindedness that’s led to the effort and expense being made to have these sorts of institutions available to the public is ignored. Instead the unnamed people-but we know who she’s referring to-are to blame for not getting down on their hands and knees and literally begging these youths to come on over.

  158. Abe says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    African-Americans are a little more bookish than you'd expect from other indicators and Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you'd project.

    Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.

    Steve, your riffing on the actual non-vibrancy of our fastest-growing segment of the vibrant population is the most brilliant extended performance since Zeppelin played the Forum in ’77.

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Our best friends are SOCAL refugees who still have most of their family there. These solid, white working-class people are well on their way to interbreeding with the more with-it Hispanics down there, so instead of a horrible Balkans-like future for America, I see a revivified white Latin majority. It’ll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50’s with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive. Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli . But I guess the names will still end in vowels…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Mexican-American kids in L.A. think "Grease" is just about the greatest movie of all time.
    , @syonredux

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.
     
    Joe Quesada (MARVEL's former EIC and the current Chief Creative Officer for MARVEL Entertainment) isn't Mexican-American.He's Cuban-American:

    Quesada was born in New York City to Cuban-born parents, and grew up in the Jackson Heights neighborhood of Queens.[3] The first comic book he became an ardent fan of was The Amazing Spider-Man, which he began reading around issue #98,[4] the last issue of a historic[5] anti-drug storyline, which garnered his father's approval.
     

    Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli .
     
    Doubtful.Hispanic Mestizos/Amerinds are not very athletic.Apathetic and fat sums them up.

    , I see a revivified white Latin majority. It’ll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50′s with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive.
     
    So, basically a '50s America that can't invent things like Integrated Circuits.America as Mexico on steroids.Charming.
    , @syonredux
    RE: Mex-Ams,

    They are not quite that extroverted.Cf the SoCal, emo, Mex-Am Morrissey cult.


    RE: Mexicans/Central Americans and the comic book entertainment complex,

    I'm not sure that they are contributing quite as much as you think.Granted, I haven't closely followed the industry since I was 14 in 1994, but a survey of Spanish-surnamed people in the business doesn't reveal very many Mexicans/Central Americans:

    Jose Quesada: As noted upthread, he's Cuban.

    José Luis García-López: top level artist, Spaniard

    Victoria Alonso: Producer on the MARVEL films, from Argentina

    David Aja: top artist, Spaniard

    David Lopez: Artist, Spaniard

    Felipe Smith: writer/artist.Described as Jamaican /Argentine in bios.

    Axel Alonso: Top MARVEL editor.Well, he's got a Mexican father and an English mother.So, maybe he's half Mexican?

    As I said, Mexico and Central America don't seem to be contributing too much to the industry...
    , @Desiderius
    The biggest current star (by far) in the Magic: The Gathering universe as it makes the transition to twitch.TV is Latino-American Luis Scott-Vargas (LSV). He's absolutely engaging on screen, known for his clever but shameless puns, innovative lines of play, and magnanimous joie de vivre. His videos are more or less nerd crack. See:

    http://www.twitch.tv/lsv/v/4700761
  159. @Abe

    Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.
     
    Steve, your riffing on the actual non-vibrancy of our fastest-growing segment of the vibrant population is the most brilliant extended performance since Zeppelin played the Forum in '77.

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Our best friends are SOCAL refugees who still have most of their family there. These solid, white working-class people are well on their way to interbreeding with the more with-it Hispanics down there, so instead of a horrible Balkans-like future for America, I see a revivified white Latin majority. It'll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50's with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive. Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli . But I guess the names will still end in vowels...

    Mexican-American kids in L.A. think “Grease” is just about the greatest movie of all time.

    • Replies: @Abe

    Mexican-American kids in L.A. think “Grease” is just about the greatest movie of all time.
     
    I have seen the future- too bad it looks a lot like THE HOLLYWOOD KNIGHTS.
  160. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...

    Bah! And here I was happy to be fobbed off with a muffin! At least I can console myself that I am not black. Blacks are probably just left to wander about, ignored except for the occasoinal glance of a security guard if it looks like they might put a fingerprint on something.

    Probably I am not treated as well as you because I sound like a country bumpkin, and then further betray my uncouthness by what I spend my time looking at. I would, for example, spend more time looking at Klimts than Picassos. When I went to the Royal Ontario Museum (if memory serves), they had a room juxtaposing academic art on one wall and impressionist “En plein air” artists on the opposite. I must admit I spent more time looking at the academic art than the impressionists (not that I dislike impressionism).

    To me the obvious explanation for the reaction against academic art is that young white men are not interested in training for years just to be as good as, and no better than, those who have come before them. Perfection in the style had already been achieved.

    E.g.(my mother likes this picture because the boy looks like me at that age)

    If tiger mothers had been around at the time, they would have forced their children to a paint for hours a day in the academic style, just as tiger mothers, today, force their children to learn classical violin while white boys are inventing whole new genres of rock or metal.

    While I was in Toronto I also went to the Air and Space Museum. I wanted to see the Avro Arrow that I had read about when I was a boy. I did get some friendly nods while I was there. I didn’t see any women there, though. Just a couple of old men and a father with his young son. Probably they make women feel unwelcome.

  161. Interesting link on process of the replacing of black tenants in Brooklyn – an interview with a Hassidic property manager whose business pushing blacks out of apartment buildings in Brooklyn and renting to whites:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/grim-racist-methods-of-one-brooklyn-landlord.html#jumpLink

    They keep the commentary to the minimum despite the title and actually let the guy talk about the mechanics of how he works – quite an interesting look at how it is done, as well as the various shady schemes he is involved in.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hasidism is kind of a cultural adaptation for not feeling compassion for anybody outside of the in-group. It makes people better at business.
  162. @Abe

    Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.
     
    Steve, your riffing on the actual non-vibrancy of our fastest-growing segment of the vibrant population is the most brilliant extended performance since Zeppelin played the Forum in '77.

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Our best friends are SOCAL refugees who still have most of their family there. These solid, white working-class people are well on their way to interbreeding with the more with-it Hispanics down there, so instead of a horrible Balkans-like future for America, I see a revivified white Latin majority. It'll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50's with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive. Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli . But I guess the names will still end in vowels...

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Joe Quesada (MARVEL’s former EIC and the current Chief Creative Officer for MARVEL Entertainment) isn’t Mexican-American.He’s Cuban-American:

    Quesada was born in New York City to Cuban-born parents, and grew up in the Jackson Heights neighborhood of Queens.[3] The first comic book he became an ardent fan of was The Amazing Spider-Man, which he began reading around issue #98,[4] the last issue of a historic[5] anti-drug storyline, which garnered his father’s approval.

    Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli .

    Doubtful.Hispanic Mestizos/Amerinds are not very athletic.Apathetic and fat sums them up.

    , I see a revivified white Latin majority. It’ll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50′s with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive.

    So, basically a ’50s America that can’t invent things like Integrated Circuits.America as Mexico on steroids.Charming.

  163. @Harry Baldwin
    Michelle Obama was saying exactly what Limbaugh said she was saying.

    Michelle is really off the leash now that Barack doesn't have to run again. Her commencement speech at Tuskegee was really something. I have to admit even I was taken aback at the amount of anger and resentment she expressed about the nation that elected her husband president. You normally don't lash out like this when you're a high public figure. It was unseemly. But, of course, that's just how I took it--the MSM lapped it up.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/05/09/remarks-first-lady-tuskegee-university-commencement-address

    You seem to show anger and resentment toward the nation that has provided you a good life in practically every post.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Count on "Truth" for a dose of blackity black blackness.

    Just like Michelle Obama - if it isn't about blacks, you doesn't care at all.

    You people really are dull, incurious, intellectually stunted, and completely uninteresting.
  164. @Alfa158
    Hilarious! The book reproductions somehow convey the impression that the Seuart work is a standard sort of picture frame size. It was startling walking into the gallery and seeing it was the size of a freeway billboard.

    Yeah, I had the same impression of its size until I saw the picture at Sailer’s link.

  165. @Alfa158
    Hilarious! The book reproductions somehow convey the impression that the Seuart work is a standard sort of picture frame size. It was startling walking into the gallery and seeing it was the size of a freeway billboard.

    Seurat’s Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences because it’s huge and the Art Institute of Chicago gives it a worthy prime location. Nothing beats Michelangelo’s David for impact, but for paintings the Chicago Seurat is up there with some of the Louvre’s monster canvases like The Wreck of the Hesperus.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    What is up with the frame on that painting? It looks like they used 50 cent/ft. clamshell molding from Home Depot and then painted it with leftover flat wall paint.
    , @peterike
    Seurat’s Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences

    It's also one of the few paintings that has an entire musical written about it, namely Sondheim's (brilliant) "Sunday in the Park with George."

    Probably not too many blacks go to see that one.
    , @syonredux
    RE: Huge paintings,

    I was never terribly impressed by Albert Bierstadt's landscapes, until I had a chance to see some of them in person.Sublime.
    , @Alfa158
    Monet's water lilies at the Musee de la Orangerie are about the most stunning presentation of art I've ever seen. They are wrapped completely around two enormous oval rooms, and the rooms are lit by diffuse indirect lighting covering the middle of the ceilings. It make you feel like you are floating in the middle of the pond. I had only seen small sections the water lilies at places like the Getty and had no idea that Monet had been cranking the things out by the acre.
  166. @just a guest
    Interesting link on process of the replacing of black tenants in Brooklyn - an interview with a Hassidic property manager whose business pushing blacks out of apartment buildings in Brooklyn and renting to whites:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/grim-racist-methods-of-one-brooklyn-landlord.html#jumpLink

    They keep the commentary to the minimum despite the title and actually let the guy talk about the mechanics of how he works - quite an interesting look at how it is done, as well as the various shady schemes he is involved in.

    Hasidism is kind of a cultural adaptation for not feeling compassion for anybody outside of the in-group. It makes people better at business.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is what Abram Leon (1918-1944) recognized. Leon explained that economic functions were central to what the Jews were in Eastern Europe. His Jewish Question: A Marxist Interpretation has not been surpassed, to my knowledge. Not because it couldn't be updated and deepened -- Leon was writing under poor conditions, not long before his murder at the hands of the Nazis, it's short, and old. But the theory is spot-on.
    No one's picked off where he left off. The people who write about Jews and Money are either (rarely) a little too PC or (often) a little too anti-Semetic. Besides, Leon's framework was orthodox Marxist -- and orthodox Trotskyst at that. These days, that tradition is weak. Aside from the WSWS, every "Marxist" is a post- this, cultural- that, revisionist- this. So no one has topped Leon. He kind of builds on Trotsky's ephemera on Jews in the rise and decline of capitalism, really.
    Leon didn't really talk about North African Jews, or their economic roles. So that's for another book, one Leon didn't live to write.

    Read it on: https://www.marxists.org/subject/jewish/leon/
    It's short. It's brilliant.
  167. @Mike Zwick
    "On the other hand, Spain wasn’t bad about pushing printing presses out to its colonies. Guam, of all remote places, had a working press for most of the last 400 years or so according to Charles C. Mann." My wife's grandfather ran a printing press for the Navy in Guam during WWII.

    Guam was occupied by Japan during most of WWII. It was liberated by US troops in July, 1944. Your wife’s grandfather must have been there after that.

    There’s nothing surprising about printing presses on Guam. It’s not a land of savages.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But it is interesting that Guam had as many printing presses as the entire Muslim world and more than Brazil for a couple of hundred years.
  168. @Jim
    Guam was occupied by Japan during most of WWII. It was liberated by US troops in July, 1944. Your wife's grandfather must have been there after that.

    There's nothing surprising about printing presses on Guam. It's not a land of savages.

    But it is interesting that Guam had as many printing presses as the entire Muslim world and more than Brazil for a couple of hundred years.

    • Replies: @Jim
    That is interesting if true.

    I wouldn't say that Chamorros are terribly intellectual but they are generally very friendly and pleasent people. Definitely quieter and more introverted than Palauians.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Guam was the pit stop on the Spanish galleon route between Manila and Acapulco.
  169. @Steve Sailer
    Seurat's Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences because it's huge and the Art Institute of Chicago gives it a worthy prime location. Nothing beats Michelangelo's David for impact, but for paintings the Chicago Seurat is up there with some of the Louvre's monster canvases like The Wreck of the Hesperus.

    What is up with the frame on that painting? It looks like they used 50 cent/ft. clamshell molding from Home Depot and then painted it with leftover flat wall paint.

    • Replies: @HA
    "What is up with the frame on that painting? It looks like they used 50 cent/ft. clamshell molding from Home Depot and then painted it with leftover flat wall paint."

    Seurat made the final changes to La Grande Jatte in 1889. He restretched the canvas in order to add a painted border of red, orange, and blue dots that provides a visual transition between the interior of the painting and his specially designed white frame.
     
    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/27992
  170. @SPMoore8
    The problem is really three fold. On the one hand, many black youths are not taught that Euro-American culture is "their" culture, too. So they don't want to go to a museum or concert that is (usually) going to feature the handiwork of old dead white guys. The problem is that they don't relate to it as "theirs." The excuse given is that this is the culture of oppression, therefore, why should they relate, etc. But realistically it belongs to anyone who wants it.

    On the other hand, there are decorum issues. I can get quite excited at concerts and museums, and I have had to learn to tone it down. Really demonstrative cultures might have issues in acting appropriately, as at the Guggenheim.

    Third and finally, there are "inclusion" issues. Dimes to donuts Michelle wasn't saying, "Black kids aren't coming here because they feel whites will snub them." What she's really saying is that there isn't enough blackness in the museums, e.g., African art, art created by famous African Americans, etc. Same goes for concerts: where's Duke Ellington, and so on, without recognizing that there's a venue for that.

    But actually we went down the inclusion road before. I can remember in the '70's they started coming out with dictionaries and encyclopedias that provided profiles of Hank Aaron and Jackie Robinson in an effort to be inclusive, because after all sports heroes are basically just the same as Galileo and Bach. But it didn't work then -- obviously -- and it isn't won't work here. Dumbing down Euro-American culture to make it more inclusive to people who are not "natively" Euro-American isn't the way to do it. They have to be encouraged to see themselves in Pushkin or Dumas (both of whom were part African.)

    That is why I have always been partial to the "Afro-centric" thesis even if I think it is quixotic and wrong. Socrates wasn't black, and neither were the pharaohs, but if a white black lie like that can cause some black American tourists to stare in awe at the Parthenon, then I am all for it.

    Ah, so European culture belongs to “anyone” who wants it? Just as anyone who professes admiration for the ideals enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and/or Constitution is automatically an American. Or, of course, there’s still the magic of geographic translocation rendering Chinese, Indians, and Bantus who happen to be born in American land/air/sea space American citizens. And, let’s not forget, that it’s collectively “America’s” fault (meaning White Americans) that blacks don’t see White, European culture as “theirs.”

    Because, of course, it’s not. No black yet has composed a symphony worth listening to, nor written a book worth reading (although I’m sure you’re a big fan of Maya Angelou and Phyllis Wheatley, and similar great black intellects). It never ceases to amuse me that your ilk reads Steve Sailer and comprises the majority of his commentariat, and you all hold to one version or another of the paint-job theory. Nor can I fathom the type of dimwit it must take to comfortably spout those inherent contradictions as benevolent, self-evident wisdom. I salute you – truly, I do. You epitomize the self-described “conservative Jew” or “political moderate.” You are the embodiment of “lukewarm” – which God spits out of his mouth.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Well, I don't think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris' #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the '20's (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn't go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can't help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, "Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus." Come to think of it, "Master and Man" could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn't snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.
  171. bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:
    @jack shindo
    What is this bogus thin called "white standards of behaviour"? Is it stealing native American land without paying rent or just compensation for property stolen, or equality for some but not for the rest. Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    The string was pulled, and the doll recited the usual lines.

    What jackshindo will never get is that there needs to be a metric that measures problems against accomplishments. European civilization has great accomplishments and their share of problems; likewise Asian civilization. African civilization has lots of problems and few accomplishments.

  172. AA and Latinos also avoid classical music concerts. I just went to a concert in Philadelphia and the audience was as white as any KKK rally (except older). There were a couple of fat black middle aged women there but I found out later that they were bureaucrats from the Mayor’s Office of the Arts – they were being paid to be there. Must be that historical discrimination thing again. We all know that blacks and Hispanics have no affinity for music as a result of their oppression – whitey beat it out of them.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    "AA and Latinos also avoid classical music concerts."

    I've noticed that my local government has been using broadcasts of classical music to clear hobos from a large public space I walk through on my way to the office. It appears to be like Kryptonite to them.

  173. @Steve Sailer
    My brother-in-law got to shoot the shotguns in a barrel during the Chicago Lyric Opera's summer performances of the 1812 Overture when he was a boy.

    Now that’s white familial privilege!

  174. @jack shindo
    The crack trade as in Ronald Reagan's money for guns and drugs in Iran contra! Just like giving alcohol and pox stained blanked to the native Americans. That is real decency!

    My bad for responding to a troll, but

    “Just like giving alcohol and pox stained blanked to the native Americans. That is real decency!”

    Just curious, do you know when man (not any blacks involved) discovered the microbe? Hint: long after the Great SmallPox Blanket Massacre. Idiot

  175. HA says:
    @Jack D
    What is up with the frame on that painting? It looks like they used 50 cent/ft. clamshell molding from Home Depot and then painted it with leftover flat wall paint.

    “What is up with the frame on that painting? It looks like they used 50 cent/ft. clamshell molding from Home Depot and then painted it with leftover flat wall paint.”

    Seurat made the final changes to La Grande Jatte in 1889. He restretched the canvas in order to add a painted border of red, orange, and blue dots that provides a visual transition between the interior of the painting and his specially designed white frame.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/27992

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A shiny white picture frame was pretty new in 1895.

    A lot of the people who design stuff for Home Depot (or any other store) have spent time staring at Seurat's big painting (or the pictures of artists who stared at it).

  176. @Steve Sailer
    Seurat's Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences because it's huge and the Art Institute of Chicago gives it a worthy prime location. Nothing beats Michelangelo's David for impact, but for paintings the Chicago Seurat is up there with some of the Louvre's monster canvases like The Wreck of the Hesperus.

    Seurat’s Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences

    It’s also one of the few paintings that has an entire musical written about it, namely Sondheim’s (brilliant) “Sunday in the Park with George.”

    Probably not too many blacks go to see that one.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I've long admired Sondheim's lyrics for the central song of "Sunday in the Park with George," "Painting the Hat" about how the artist gets lost in perfecting one detail of his masterpiece. But then it struck me I'd never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    Sondheim is a more than worthy successor as a lyricist to his quasi-stepfather Oscar Hammerstein II, but I guess it's asking too much that he also be able to compose a tune like Richard Rodgers.

    The tragedy is that Leonard Bernstein could never get it in gear again after West Side Story (for which Sondheim wrote the brilliant lyrics). A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

  177. Quick anecdote about museum admission fees & blacks:

    In the 1980s, a group of 3 black boys tried to rob me of my Casio digital watch as I walked home from the Museum of Science and Industry. When they failed to get my watch, they shouted racial slurs at me, tripped me, and tried their hardest to beat me up before a very kind black teenager broke it up and I ran home.

    The Museum of Science and Industry had free admission back then. They now want $10 just to walk in the door. There are a lot fewer blacks in and around the museum now as opposed to the 80s. A lot fewer.

  178. @Steve Sailer
    Seurat's Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences because it's huge and the Art Institute of Chicago gives it a worthy prime location. Nothing beats Michelangelo's David for impact, but for paintings the Chicago Seurat is up there with some of the Louvre's monster canvases like The Wreck of the Hesperus.

    RE: Huge paintings,

    I was never terribly impressed by Albert Bierstadt’s landscapes, until I had a chance to see some of them in person.Sublime.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    Indeed.

    Swiss Americans should be very proud.
  179. I’m always amused by the Magical Fairy Dust theory of Culture. Namely, that if we can only drag the NAMs to museums often enough, they will all grow up to write art criticism for The New Yorker. I’m old enough to remember when this same Fairy Dust was thrown at tough ethnic white kids, who also couldn’t care less about it, but at least you could keep them more or less in line when you bored them to death with several hours at the Metropolitan Museum. (Hell, those kids were bored to death at Natural History looking at the dinosaur bones.)

    The fact is that most people of every race couldn’t care less about “culture” and prefer various modes of pop junk. What makes everyone wet their pants is that of the small sub-group that does care about culture, it’s 90% white and 8% Asian and 2% NAM. So yeah, museums are “white spaces” full of “white bodies.” You know what? So are Woody Allen movies. Or, to update that genre, Noah Baumbach movies.

    This is all amplified in the media because the biggest culture vultures of all are Jews, so they are constantly at museums, the opera, theater, etc. looking around and thinking, with despair, “where are all the black people?” Then they go write about it on Slate and blame whitey.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    the biggest culture vultures of all are Jews, so they are constantly at museums, the opera, theater, etc.
     
    The movie complex at the big mall in Paramus, NJ, shows a film of a Metropolitan opera on a Saturday afternoon every month or so. My wife and I went to some of those films for a while.

    The theater always was sold out, and I suppose that three-fourths of the audience were middle-age or elderly Jewish immigrants from the Soviet Union. (My wife and I speak Russian, so we recognize the audience chatter before and after the films and during the intermissions.)

    We stopped going to these opera films because it became necessary to buy tickets two or three weeks in advance.

    Practically none of the opera characters are Jews. The Jewish audiences are spending their money and time to watch operas about Italians, Austrians and other Gentile characters.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Re white spaces:You forgot blues clubs!
  180. @peterike
    Seurat’s Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences

    It's also one of the few paintings that has an entire musical written about it, namely Sondheim's (brilliant) "Sunday in the Park with George."

    Probably not too many blacks go to see that one.

    I’ve long admired Sondheim’s lyrics for the central song of “Sunday in the Park with George,” “Painting the Hat” about how the artist gets lost in perfecting one detail of his masterpiece. But then it struck me I’d never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    Sondheim is a more than worthy successor as a lyricist to his quasi-stepfather Oscar Hammerstein II, but I guess it’s asking too much that he also be able to compose a tune like Richard Rodgers.

    The tragedy is that Leonard Bernstein could never get it in gear again after West Side Story (for which Sondheim wrote the brilliant lyrics). A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Thanks for agreeing with me that Sondheim is a terrible composer: not for nothing his signature tune is "Send in the Clowns."

    I also thought the composers for Les Mis were pedestrian. Lloyd Webber was a little better until you began to notice the cribs form classical composers. Nice melodies don't seem very thick on the ground these days. I wonder why. Maybe I'm just old.
    , @peterike
    But then it struck me I’d never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    It's not "terrible" Steve. It's difficult!

    I happen to think the music is wonderful, but I've seen enough people cringe at it to know that I'm in a minority on this one.

    A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

    Well Sondheim also wrote the lyrics to "Do I Hear a Waltz?", with music by Richard Rodgers. It was a flop and never really took off again in revivals, and not that many people know it. I like it quite a bit. And of course much more famously he wrote the lyrics to "Gypsy," the Ethel Merman vehicle, with music by Jules Styne. I don't like it very much, but it did give us the standard "Together (Wherever We Go)."
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve long admired Sondheim’s lyrics…

    Wow, what a terrible melody…
     
    Something appealing,
    Something appalling,
    Something for everyone,
    A comedy tonight!
  181. @Peter Akuleyev

    Today, the media portrays blacks as timid, fearful, weighed down by the burdens of centuries, under the control of past ages’ injustices, living museum relics unable to move under their own volition, a race caught hopelessly in a malign web spun hundreds (but not thousands!) of years ago.
     
    To be fair, that is pretty much supported by HBD (except for the implicit finger pointing). Sub Saharan Africans evolved down a different path, and they haven't adapted well to Western civilization, especially given the massive social and technological changes of the past few hundred years which favor ethnic groups with low time preference, abstract reasoning skills and greater group socialization. Maybe the NYT is laying the ground work to coopt genetic research into left wing policies on race.

    They are obsolete farm equipment – no more, no less.

  182. @Steve Sailer
    Mexican-American kids in L.A. think "Grease" is just about the greatest movie of all time.

    Mexican-American kids in L.A. think “Grease” is just about the greatest movie of all time.

    I have seen the future- too bad it looks a lot like THE HOLLYWOOD KNIGHTS.

  183. @HA
    "What is up with the frame on that painting? It looks like they used 50 cent/ft. clamshell molding from Home Depot and then painted it with leftover flat wall paint."

    Seurat made the final changes to La Grande Jatte in 1889. He restretched the canvas in order to add a painted border of red, orange, and blue dots that provides a visual transition between the interior of the painting and his specially designed white frame.
     
    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/27992

    A shiny white picture frame was pretty new in 1895.

    A lot of the people who design stuff for Home Depot (or any other store) have spent time staring at Seurat’s big painting (or the pictures of artists who stared at it).

  184. @Steve Sailer
    I've long admired Sondheim's lyrics for the central song of "Sunday in the Park with George," "Painting the Hat" about how the artist gets lost in perfecting one detail of his masterpiece. But then it struck me I'd never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    Sondheim is a more than worthy successor as a lyricist to his quasi-stepfather Oscar Hammerstein II, but I guess it's asking too much that he also be able to compose a tune like Richard Rodgers.

    The tragedy is that Leonard Bernstein could never get it in gear again after West Side Story (for which Sondheim wrote the brilliant lyrics). A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

    Thanks for agreeing with me that Sondheim is a terrible composer: not for nothing his signature tune is “Send in the Clowns.”

    I also thought the composers for Les Mis were pedestrian. Lloyd Webber was a little better until you began to notice the cribs form classical composers. Nice melodies don’t seem very thick on the ground these days. I wonder why. Maybe I’m just old.

  185. @Steve Sailer
    Seurat's Sunday in the Park with George painting is one of the better museum-going experiences because it's huge and the Art Institute of Chicago gives it a worthy prime location. Nothing beats Michelangelo's David for impact, but for paintings the Chicago Seurat is up there with some of the Louvre's monster canvases like The Wreck of the Hesperus.

    Monet’s water lilies at the Musee de la Orangerie are about the most stunning presentation of art I’ve ever seen. They are wrapped completely around two enormous oval rooms, and the rooms are lit by diffuse indirect lighting covering the middle of the ceilings. It make you feel like you are floating in the middle of the pond. I had only seen small sections the water lilies at places like the Getty and had no idea that Monet had been cranking the things out by the acre.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Monet used very broad brush strokes so he really could crank those things out. Sunday on La Grand Jatte must have required an enormous # of man-hours because it was painted dot by tiny dot.
    , @Brutusale
    Boston's Museum of Fine Arts has about 5 acres of Monet's paintings. They like to advertise their collection of Monets as the largest outside France.
  186. One of the great disappointments of the interwebs is that it’s fairly difficult to find good high-res reproductions of paintings. The WikiArt site is one of the better ones, and you can get a decent view of “”Sunday Afternoon” here:

    http://www.wikiart.org/en/georges-seurat/sunday-afternoon-on-the-island-of-la-grande-jatte-1886

    Click on the “size” link and go for the largest.

    Interestingly, in his various studies for the painting, Seurat drew the same scene without any people.

  187. @pseudonymic handle
    Ah, so European culture belongs to "anyone" who wants it? Just as anyone who professes admiration for the ideals enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and/or Constitution is automatically an American. Or, of course, there's still the magic of geographic translocation rendering Chinese, Indians, and Bantus who happen to be born in American land/air/sea space American citizens. And, let's not forget, that it's collectively "America's" fault (meaning White Americans) that blacks don't see White, European culture as "theirs."

    Because, of course, it's not. No black yet has composed a symphony worth listening to, nor written a book worth reading (although I'm sure you're a big fan of Maya Angelou and Phyllis Wheatley, and similar great black intellects). It never ceases to amuse me that your ilk reads Steve Sailer and comprises the majority of his commentariat, and you all hold to one version or another of the paint-job theory. Nor can I fathom the type of dimwit it must take to comfortably spout those inherent contradictions as benevolent, self-evident wisdom. I salute you - truly, I do. You epitomize the self-described "conservative Jew" or "political moderate." You are the embodiment of "lukewarm" - which God spits out of his mouth.

    Well, I don’t think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris’ #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the ’20’s (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn’t go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can’t help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, “Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?” to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, “Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus.” Come to think of it, “Master and Man” could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn’t snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    They [blacks] need to know that our culture is theirs, too.
     
    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Our public institutions have been open to blacks for 50+ years now. Not only are blacks not turned away, institutions are dying for them to come - universities relax admission standards for them, there are all kinds of cultural programs in the schools, etc. Most museum and arts administrators (themselves ultra-liberal) would give their eyeteeth to have a larger % of minority clientele (provided that they did not loot the place). Discrimination exists mostly in the history books and in the fever dreams of liberals.

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever. In the past, many blacks listened to the same popular music as whites, wore the same clothes, gave their kids the same names, etc. But the self chosen trend among blacks is to separate their tastes from white tastes more and more. Whites are interested in black popular music and fashion trends, but blacks have not the slightest interest in most white artists.

    , @Observer
    "I don’t think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris’ #3 might make the cut"

    Matter of opinion, but some works by Ives and a few others would make my cut.

    "Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes,"

    Pushkin had one African great-grandparent, which is a lot less black than "mulatto." But the important thing is, he didn't live in a 1-drop-rule kind of society and his Russian-ness was not in question. In Russia, he's viewed as a highborn aristocrat with some exotic ancestry, not as some kind of racial outsider.

    "[Black people] need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else"

    That would be great, but 1) non-black people don't get to decide that; and 2) the sad thing is, few enough white people are interested in "our culture" nowadays.
    , @syonredux

    Well, I don’t think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris’ #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago.
     
    In terms of human accomplishment in the arts and the sciences, Anglos are pretty mediocre in two areas: music (elite music, not pop) and painting.Anglos have done great stuff in other areas: technology (Watt, Edison, etc), literature (Shakespeare, Milton, Melville, etc), physics (Newton, Faraday, etc), philosophy (Hume, William James, Russell), astronomy (Hubble, Halley, etc), biology (Darwin, Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc), architecture (Wren, Frank Lloyd Wright, etc), film (Orson Welles, Howard Hawks, Kunbrick, etc), etc.But Anglo achievement in music and painting just doesn't quite match what the Germans, French, Italians, Dutch, etc have achieved.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can’t help you.
     
    Hughes is pretty mediocre.If he were White, no one would remember him.

    But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.
     
    Pushkin's great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, which makes Pushkin 12.5% Black.What they used to call an Octoroon.Not very impressive.

    Dumas: Here's the relevant data on his father:

    Born in Saint-Domingue, Thomas-Alexandre was of mixed race, the son of a white French nobleman and an enslaved mother of African descent.
     
    That would make Dumas 25% Black, 75% European.Better than Pushkin, but not exactly a ringing endorsement for Black literary genius.For that matter, Dumas is not exactly the finest flower of French literary art...

    Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.
     
    Mixed race:

    William Edward Burghardt Du Bois was born on February 23, 1868, in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, to Alfred and Mary Silvina (née Burghardt) Du Bois.[2] Mary Silvina Burghardt's family was part of the very small free black population of Great Barrington and had long owned land in the state. She was descended from Dutch, African and English ancestors.[3] William Du Bois' maternal great-great-grandfather was Tom Burghardt, a slave (born in West Africa around 1730) who was held by the Dutch colonist Conraed Burghardt. Tom briefly served in the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War, which may have been how he gained his freedom during the 18th century.[4] Tom's son Jack Burghardt was the father of Othello Burghardt, who was the father of Mary Silvina Burghardt.[4]

    William Du Bois's paternal great-grandfather was an ethnic French-American, James Du Bois of Poughkeepsie, New York, who fathered several children with slave mistresses.[5] One of James' mixed-race sons was Alexander, who traveled to Haiti, and fathered a son, Alfred, with a mistress there. Alexander returned to Connecticut, leaving Alfred in Haiti with his mother.[6] Alfred Du Bois moved to the United States sometime before 1860, and married Mary Silvina Burghardt on February 5, 1867, in Housatonic, Massachusetts.[6] Alfred left Mary in 1870, two years after their son William was born.[7] Mary Burghardt Du Bois moved with her son back to her parents' house until he was five. She worked to support her family (receiving some assistance from her brother and neighbors), until she suffered a stroke in the early 1880s. She died in 1885.[8]

     

    , @Kylie

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too.
     
    Obama is half white and he doesn't believe white culture is his, too. In Dreams from My Father, he writes, "It wasn't that Europe wasn't beautiful; everything was just as I'd imagined it. It just wasn't mine."


    https://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&pg=PA301&dq=Obama++Europe++beautiful++not+mine++%22Dreams+from+my+Father%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jo5SVayTOIbGsAXzhoH4Ag&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Obama%20%20Europe%20%20beautiful%20%20not%20mine%20%20%22Dreams%20from%20my%20Father%22&f=false

    They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color.
     
    This has got to be the most bizarre thing I've ever read at iSteve. Why should they? And why do you apparently believe that's even possible?
    , @Kylie

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too.
     
    Obama is half white and he doesn't believe white culture is his, too. In Dreams from My Father, he writes, "It wasn't that Europe wasn't beautiful; everything was just as I'd imagined it. It just wasn't mine." He doesn't even acknowledge that he's the product of a black-white union except when it's politically expedient, he self-identifies as black.


    https://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&pg=PA301&dq=Obama++Europe++beautiful++not+mine++%22Dreams+from+my+Father%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jo5SVayTOIbGsAXzhoH4Ag&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Obama%20%20Europe%20%20beautiful%20%20not%20mine%20%20%22Dreams%20from%20my%20Father%22&f=false


    They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color.
     
    This has got to be the most bizarre thing I've ever read at iSteve. Why should they? And why do you apparently believe that's even possible?
  188. “Obama’s sin, using this line of logic, is that he failed to undo the system of oppression that he had no hand in constructing. It is that 400 years of damage was not undone in two terms.” – Jim Crow was the law of the land in 2008.

  189. @Alfa158
    Monet's water lilies at the Musee de la Orangerie are about the most stunning presentation of art I've ever seen. They are wrapped completely around two enormous oval rooms, and the rooms are lit by diffuse indirect lighting covering the middle of the ceilings. It make you feel like you are floating in the middle of the pond. I had only seen small sections the water lilies at places like the Getty and had no idea that Monet had been cranking the things out by the acre.

    Monet used very broad brush strokes so he really could crank those things out. Sunday on La Grand Jatte must have required an enormous # of man-hours because it was painted dot by tiny dot.

  190. @Steve Sailer
    I've long admired Sondheim's lyrics for the central song of "Sunday in the Park with George," "Painting the Hat" about how the artist gets lost in perfecting one detail of his masterpiece. But then it struck me I'd never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    Sondheim is a more than worthy successor as a lyricist to his quasi-stepfather Oscar Hammerstein II, but I guess it's asking too much that he also be able to compose a tune like Richard Rodgers.

    The tragedy is that Leonard Bernstein could never get it in gear again after West Side Story (for which Sondheim wrote the brilliant lyrics). A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

    But then it struck me I’d never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    It’s not “terrible” Steve. It’s difficult!

    I happen to think the music is wonderful, but I’ve seen enough people cringe at it to know that I’m in a minority on this one.

    A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

    Well Sondheim also wrote the lyrics to “Do I Hear a Waltz?”, with music by Richard Rodgers. It was a flop and never really took off again in revivals, and not that many people know it. I like it quite a bit. And of course much more famously he wrote the lyrics to “Gypsy,” the Ethel Merman vehicle, with music by Jules Styne. I don’t like it very much, but it did give us the standard “Together (Wherever We Go).”

  191. okie says:
    @Threecranes
    I too attended integrated schools during the time period you mention and back you up completely. Only difference was, what you called "Grits", we called "Greasers"--duck tail hair with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in the shoulder of a short sleeve tee shirt--in grade school no less! Older brothers wore satin jackets with some kind of oriental Korean war motif and the expression;

    "And When he gets to heaven,
    To Saint Peter he will tell;
    One more Soldier reporting, sir.
    I've served my time in Hell!"

    I knew (white) kids who woke up early and helped their fathers check their trap lines along the levee before they straggled into school in the morning--course they slept till noon in their chairs and weren't known for their scholarly achievement but they weren't trouble makers.

    And the black kids were well behaved too. It's still an indelible memory, etched into my brain, of a black father on PTA night standing behind his son holding him by the shoulders and saying to the white teacher while looking her straight in the eye, "If he gives you any trouble, don't be afraid to discipline him." He was completely in earnest. Of course both his sons were well dressed, courteous and went on to excellent achievements in high school in sports and academics and (I hope) adult careers.

    It's hard for me to sympathize with phonies like Charles Blow, Jesse Jackson and Michelle Obama after having known blacks since childhood. I try not to let their evil bile poison all my perceptions of blacks, but it's an uphill battle. They have sacrificed their race's chances for acceptance and success just to advance their own (too narrowly conceived) self interest.

    i went to high school in the 80’s at a magnet school(convert the old black school into a academic magnet to draw in the smart fraction whose parents didn’t want to or couldn’t pay private tuition, but keep enough blacks to win state championships in FB and BB) in a 10% black town of 400,000, and even then the few black kids who wanted to achieve academically were being labeled OREO. I cant imagine how much worse that sort of peer pressure must have gotten in the last 30 yrs. FYI this is Tulsa where the Outsiders was written in the early 60’s and filmed at this time, 25 yrs afters SE Hinton’s life experience which does sound like the above commenters experiences

  192. @SPMoore8
    Well, I don't think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris' #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the '20's (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn't go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can't help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, "Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus." Come to think of it, "Master and Man" could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn't snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    They [blacks] need to know that our culture is theirs, too.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. Our public institutions have been open to blacks for 50+ years now. Not only are blacks not turned away, institutions are dying for them to come – universities relax admission standards for them, there are all kinds of cultural programs in the schools, etc. Most museum and arts administrators (themselves ultra-liberal) would give their eyeteeth to have a larger % of minority clientele (provided that they did not loot the place). Discrimination exists mostly in the history books and in the fever dreams of liberals.

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever. In the past, many blacks listened to the same popular music as whites, wore the same clothes, gave their kids the same names, etc. But the self chosen trend among blacks is to separate their tastes from white tastes more and more. Whites are interested in black popular music and fashion trends, but blacks have not the slightest interest in most white artists.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I don't disagree, and that's a one way ticket to permanent underclass status.

    I'm not pretending that the majority of black people or even white people will ever be interested in the "higher arts" or museums or what have you. I do have in mind the 10% or even 1% of black people who want to become part of the dominant culture. They should be welcomed. That's really all I am saying.
    , @Desiderius

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever.
     
    Desperation is never attractive. If the broader culture can get its shit back together and quit pandering to blacks (and everyone else) like a two-bit whore, they'll come back.
  193. Speaking of “Do I Hear a Waltz?,” there’s a great lyric called “This Week Americans” which is sung by an Italian hotel keeper who loves American tourists and laments all the other Europeans that show up. It’s a tour-de-force of cultural stereotypes, and thereby entirely accurate! I suppose no one could get away with it today, even more so because it’s so positive about Americans.

    Last week the Germans,
    You can keep the Germans,
    Always cheap, the Germans,
    Even on a trip.
    Sweet? Not the Germans,
    Sweat a lot, the Germans,
    Full of smiles, the Germans,
    Don’t expect a tip.
    But this week Americans,
    Open-armed Americans,
    I am charmed, Americans,
    Welcome, welcome, welcome,
    I love Americans,
    The pleasure is mine.
    Remember, no breakfast after half-past nine.

    Next week the English,
    You should see the English,
    All the tea, the English,
    Thirsty, I suppose.
    Good eggs, the English,
    Rotten legs, the English,
    All those teeth, the English,
    Rows and rows and rows.
    But this week Americans,
    More than kind Americans,
    Much-maligned Americans,
    Welcome, welcome welcome,
    I love Americans,
    And my home is yours.
    I can’t be responsible, so lock your doors.

    Then come Parisians,
    Full of food Parisians,
    Always rude Parisians,
    Every one a sneak.
    Perfumed Parisians,
    Over-groomed Parisians,
    Middle-class Parisians,
    Far more cheek than chic.
    But this week Americans,
    Generous Americans,
    Never fuss, Americans,
    Welcome, welcome, welcome,
    Thank you, Americans,
    For coming to stay.
    How charming my guests are from the U.S.A.

    No alcoholic Swedes,
    No double-dealing Russians.
    No Spaniards with their beads
    And their deafening discussions.
    No narcissistic Greeks,
    They’re worse than the Italians,
    With overblown physiques
    And St. Christopher medallions.
    No millionaire Brazilians
    Who somehow never pay,
    I much prefer the millions
    From the U.S.A.

  194. @Abe

    Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.
     
    Steve, your riffing on the actual non-vibrancy of our fastest-growing segment of the vibrant population is the most brilliant extended performance since Zeppelin played the Forum in '77.

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Our best friends are SOCAL refugees who still have most of their family there. These solid, white working-class people are well on their way to interbreeding with the more with-it Hispanics down there, so instead of a horrible Balkans-like future for America, I see a revivified white Latin majority. It'll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50's with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive. Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli . But I guess the names will still end in vowels...

    RE: Mex-Ams,

    They are not quite that extroverted.Cf the SoCal, emo, Mex-Am Morrissey cult.

    RE: Mexicans/Central Americans and the comic book entertainment complex,

    I’m not sure that they are contributing quite as much as you think.Granted, I haven’t closely followed the industry since I was 14 in 1994, but a survey of Spanish-surnamed people in the business doesn’t reveal very many Mexicans/Central Americans:

    Jose Quesada: As noted upthread, he’s Cuban.

    José Luis García-López: top level artist, Spaniard

    Victoria Alonso: Producer on the MARVEL films, from Argentina

    David Aja: top artist, Spaniard

    David Lopez: Artist, Spaniard

    Felipe Smith: writer/artist.Described as Jamaican /Argentine in bios.

    Axel Alonso: Top MARVEL editor.Well, he’s got a Mexican father and an English mother.So, maybe he’s half Mexican?

    As I said, Mexico and Central America don’t seem to be contributing too much to the industry…

  195. @SPMoore8
    Well, I don't think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris' #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the '20's (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn't go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can't help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, "Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus." Come to think of it, "Master and Man" could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn't snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    “I don’t think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris’ #3 might make the cut”

    Matter of opinion, but some works by Ives and a few others would make my cut.

    “Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes,”

    Pushkin had one African great-grandparent, which is a lot less black than “mulatto.” But the important thing is, he didn’t live in a 1-drop-rule kind of society and his Russian-ness was not in question. In Russia, he’s viewed as a highborn aristocrat with some exotic ancestry, not as some kind of racial outsider.

    “[Black people] need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else”

    That would be great, but 1) non-black people don’t get to decide that; and 2) the sad thing is, few enough white people are interested in “our culture” nowadays.

  196. @peterike
    I'm always amused by the Magical Fairy Dust theory of Culture. Namely, that if we can only drag the NAMs to museums often enough, they will all grow up to write art criticism for The New Yorker. I'm old enough to remember when this same Fairy Dust was thrown at tough ethnic white kids, who also couldn't care less about it, but at least you could keep them more or less in line when you bored them to death with several hours at the Metropolitan Museum. (Hell, those kids were bored to death at Natural History looking at the dinosaur bones.)

    The fact is that most people of every race couldn't care less about "culture" and prefer various modes of pop junk. What makes everyone wet their pants is that of the small sub-group that does care about culture, it's 90% white and 8% Asian and 2% NAM. So yeah, museums are "white spaces" full of "white bodies." You know what? So are Woody Allen movies. Or, to update that genre, Noah Baumbach movies.

    This is all amplified in the media because the biggest culture vultures of all are Jews, so they are constantly at museums, the opera, theater, etc. looking around and thinking, with despair, "where are all the black people?" Then they go write about it on Slate and blame whitey.

    the biggest culture vultures of all are Jews, so they are constantly at museums, the opera, theater, etc.

    The movie complex at the big mall in Paramus, NJ, shows a film of a Metropolitan opera on a Saturday afternoon every month or so. My wife and I went to some of those films for a while.

    The theater always was sold out, and I suppose that three-fourths of the audience were middle-age or elderly Jewish immigrants from the Soviet Union. (My wife and I speak Russian, so we recognize the audience chatter before and after the films and during the intermissions.)

    We stopped going to these opera films because it became necessary to buy tickets two or three weeks in advance.

    Practically none of the opera characters are Jews. The Jewish audiences are spending their money and time to watch operas about Italians, Austrians and other Gentile characters.

  197. @Alfa158
    Monet's water lilies at the Musee de la Orangerie are about the most stunning presentation of art I've ever seen. They are wrapped completely around two enormous oval rooms, and the rooms are lit by diffuse indirect lighting covering the middle of the ceilings. It make you feel like you are floating in the middle of the pond. I had only seen small sections the water lilies at places like the Getty and had no idea that Monet had been cranking the things out by the acre.

    Boston’s Museum of Fine Arts has about 5 acres of Monet’s paintings. They like to advertise their collection of Monets as the largest outside France.

  198. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T’ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s…

    …Fortunately, I’m white, so they’ll waive the late fee. It’s got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn’t chip it too much …

    Once whites are the minority, you’ll be able to send them a Chia Pet and they’ll never know the difference.

  199. @Jack D

    They [blacks] need to know that our culture is theirs, too.
     
    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Our public institutions have been open to blacks for 50+ years now. Not only are blacks not turned away, institutions are dying for them to come - universities relax admission standards for them, there are all kinds of cultural programs in the schools, etc. Most museum and arts administrators (themselves ultra-liberal) would give their eyeteeth to have a larger % of minority clientele (provided that they did not loot the place). Discrimination exists mostly in the history books and in the fever dreams of liberals.

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever. In the past, many blacks listened to the same popular music as whites, wore the same clothes, gave their kids the same names, etc. But the self chosen trend among blacks is to separate their tastes from white tastes more and more. Whites are interested in black popular music and fashion trends, but blacks have not the slightest interest in most white artists.

    I don’t disagree, and that’s a one way ticket to permanent underclass status.

    I’m not pretending that the majority of black people or even white people will ever be interested in the “higher arts” or museums or what have you. I do have in mind the 10% or even 1% of black people who want to become part of the dominant culture. They should be welcomed. That’s really all I am saying.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    And you think that they are not? You have got to be kidding. Maybe some of the rednecks in their mother's basements who are writing here are willing to say (behind their backs) that black people have made few contributions in the past, but I would venture to say that even they (not to mention the ultra-left liberals who are really in charge in America today) would welcome blacks who were willing and capable of conforming to civilized norms. Americans LOVE well spoken intelligent blacks - they FANTASIZE about meeting in real life all the black doctors and lawyers you see played by actors on TV, but instead mostly they just get Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon Martin.
  200. @SPMoore8
    Well, I don't think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris' #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the '20's (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn't go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can't help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, "Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus." Come to think of it, "Master and Man" could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn't snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    Well, I don’t think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris’ #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago.

    In terms of human accomplishment in the arts and the sciences, Anglos are pretty mediocre in two areas: music (elite music, not pop) and painting.Anglos have done great stuff in other areas: technology (Watt, Edison, etc), literature (Shakespeare, Milton, Melville, etc), physics (Newton, Faraday, etc), philosophy (Hume, William James, Russell), astronomy (Hubble, Halley, etc), biology (Darwin, Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc), architecture (Wren, Frank Lloyd Wright, etc), film (Orson Welles, Howard Hawks, Kunbrick, etc), etc.But Anglo achievement in music and painting just doesn’t quite match what the Germans, French, Italians, Dutch, etc have achieved.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can’t help you.

    Hughes is pretty mediocre.If he were White, no one would remember him.

    But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Pushkin’s great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, which makes Pushkin 12.5% Black.What they used to call an Octoroon.Not very impressive.

    Dumas: Here’s the relevant data on his father:

    Born in Saint-Domingue, Thomas-Alexandre was of mixed race, the son of a white French nobleman and an enslaved mother of African descent.

    That would make Dumas 25% Black, 75% European.Better than Pushkin, but not exactly a ringing endorsement for Black literary genius.For that matter, Dumas is not exactly the finest flower of French literary art…

    Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    Mixed race:

    William Edward Burghardt Du Bois was born on February 23, 1868, in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, to Alfred and Mary Silvina (née Burghardt) Du Bois.[2] Mary Silvina Burghardt’s family was part of the very small free black population of Great Barrington and had long owned land in the state. She was descended from Dutch, African and English ancestors.[3] William Du Bois’ maternal great-great-grandfather was Tom Burghardt, a slave (born in West Africa around 1730) who was held by the Dutch colonist Conraed Burghardt. Tom briefly served in the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War, which may have been how he gained his freedom during the 18th century.[4] Tom’s son Jack Burghardt was the father of Othello Burghardt, who was the father of Mary Silvina Burghardt.[4]

    William Du Bois’s paternal great-grandfather was an ethnic French-American, James Du Bois of Poughkeepsie, New York, who fathered several children with slave mistresses.[5] One of James’ mixed-race sons was Alexander, who traveled to Haiti, and fathered a son, Alfred, with a mistress there. Alexander returned to Connecticut, leaving Alfred in Haiti with his mother.[6] Alfred Du Bois moved to the United States sometime before 1860, and married Mary Silvina Burghardt on February 5, 1867, in Housatonic, Massachusetts.[6] Alfred left Mary in 1870, two years after their son William was born.[7] Mary Burghardt Du Bois moved with her son back to her parents’ house until he was five. She worked to support her family (receiving some assistance from her brother and neighbors), until she suffered a stroke in the early 1880s. She died in 1885.[8]

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don't get the point.

    Pushkin's blackness may not be "impressive" but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States. He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason. Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of "Queen of Spades" by a mile.
  201. @jack shindo
    The crack trade as in Ronald Reagan's money for guns and drugs in Iran contra! Just like giving alcohol and pox stained blanked to the native Americans. That is real decency!

    And just how did the conniving white men contrive to deliver those blankets without themselves becoming infected? Were they wearing hazmat suits? Gasmasks? Oh wait, couldn’t have been gas masks because they were invented by some black man in the 20th century. Right?

    Think, son. Think.

    • Replies: @dcite
    I have read a pretty good debunking of the "infected blanket" story. There were also infected blanket stories circulating that involved Indian to white, and Indian to Indian.
  202. @syonredux

    Well, I don’t think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris’ #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago.
     
    In terms of human accomplishment in the arts and the sciences, Anglos are pretty mediocre in two areas: music (elite music, not pop) and painting.Anglos have done great stuff in other areas: technology (Watt, Edison, etc), literature (Shakespeare, Milton, Melville, etc), physics (Newton, Faraday, etc), philosophy (Hume, William James, Russell), astronomy (Hubble, Halley, etc), biology (Darwin, Thomas Hunt Morgan, etc), architecture (Wren, Frank Lloyd Wright, etc), film (Orson Welles, Howard Hawks, Kunbrick, etc), etc.But Anglo achievement in music and painting just doesn't quite match what the Germans, French, Italians, Dutch, etc have achieved.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can’t help you.
     
    Hughes is pretty mediocre.If he were White, no one would remember him.

    But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.
     
    Pushkin's great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, which makes Pushkin 12.5% Black.What they used to call an Octoroon.Not very impressive.

    Dumas: Here's the relevant data on his father:

    Born in Saint-Domingue, Thomas-Alexandre was of mixed race, the son of a white French nobleman and an enslaved mother of African descent.
     
    That would make Dumas 25% Black, 75% European.Better than Pushkin, but not exactly a ringing endorsement for Black literary genius.For that matter, Dumas is not exactly the finest flower of French literary art...

    Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.
     
    Mixed race:

    William Edward Burghardt Du Bois was born on February 23, 1868, in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, to Alfred and Mary Silvina (née Burghardt) Du Bois.[2] Mary Silvina Burghardt's family was part of the very small free black population of Great Barrington and had long owned land in the state. She was descended from Dutch, African and English ancestors.[3] William Du Bois' maternal great-great-grandfather was Tom Burghardt, a slave (born in West Africa around 1730) who was held by the Dutch colonist Conraed Burghardt. Tom briefly served in the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War, which may have been how he gained his freedom during the 18th century.[4] Tom's son Jack Burghardt was the father of Othello Burghardt, who was the father of Mary Silvina Burghardt.[4]

    William Du Bois's paternal great-grandfather was an ethnic French-American, James Du Bois of Poughkeepsie, New York, who fathered several children with slave mistresses.[5] One of James' mixed-race sons was Alexander, who traveled to Haiti, and fathered a son, Alfred, with a mistress there. Alexander returned to Connecticut, leaving Alfred in Haiti with his mother.[6] Alfred Du Bois moved to the United States sometime before 1860, and married Mary Silvina Burghardt on February 5, 1867, in Housatonic, Massachusetts.[6] Alfred left Mary in 1870, two years after their son William was born.[7] Mary Burghardt Du Bois moved with her son back to her parents' house until he was five. She worked to support her family (receiving some assistance from her brother and neighbors), until she suffered a stroke in the early 1880s. She died in 1885.[8]

     

    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don’t get the point.

    Pushkin’s blackness may not be “impressive” but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States. He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason. Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of “Queen of Spades” by a mile.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don’t get the point.
     
    That Pushkin was over 87% European.Hence, he was much, much more European than Black African.

    Pushkin’s blackness may not be “impressive” but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States.
     
    The portraits show a lot of variety in his physiognomy.In some, he looks very Euro.

    He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.
     
    Actually, that Ethiopian part has been contested:

    The main reliable accounts of Gannibal's life come from Peter the Great's Negro, Pushkin's unfinished biography of his great-grandfather, published after Pushkin's death in 1837. Scholars argue that Pushkin's account may be inaccurate due to the author’s desire to elevate the status of his ancestors and family. There are a number of contradictions between the biographies of Pushkin and the German novel, The Blackamoor of Peter the Great.[3] One such ahistorical biography by Gannibal's son-in-law Rotkirkh was largely responsible for the myth, propagated by some earlier historians, that Gannibal was born in a part of what was then the Abyssinian Empire.[4] However, more recent research by the scholars Dieudonné Gnammankou and Hugh Barnes has conclusively established that the late general was instead born in Central Africa, in an area bordering Lake Chad in present-day Cameroon.[4][5]
     

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason.
     
    I didn't dispute the literary merits of Pushkin.I simply pointed out that his degree of Black ancestry (12.5%) is not very impressive.Here's the original passage:

    Pushkin’s great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, which makes Pushkin 12.5% Black.What they used to call an Octoroon.Not very impressive.
     
    So, yes, Pushkin was a great author.But he was not a great Black author.12.5% Black ancestry means very little in HBD terms.

    Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of “Queen of Spades” by a mile.
     
    Yes, the overwhelmingly European Pushkin was a better writer than the 25% Black Dumas.
    , @Jack D
    There don't seem to be that many pictures of Pushkin. In the days before photography, most people had very few images taken of them. Most pictures of Pushkin seem to be copied from Tropinin's portrait of him. (Tropinin BTW has an interesting biography -look him up). In Tropinin's portrait (and remember this is in the days before black hair care products - look at pictures of Frederick Douglass if you want to see what black people's hair looked like then) Pushkin has wavy (NOT kinky) black hair and blue eyes and a narrow nose and his skin at most has a yellowish cast to it. Yes, I'm sure in 21st century America he would claim to be "black" to get in on the affirmative action goodies, but in any other time and place he would "pass" as a white person. About 15% black seems to be the threshold - below 15% it is usually impossible to tell (by looking) whether a white person has any black ancestry.

    Pushkin's black great-grandfather appears to have been an exceptionally intelligent man. He was the son of African royalty and held as a child hostage at a sultan's court to ensure his father's good behavior (this was a common tactic) and then the sultan gave him as a present to Peter the Great and he grew up in the royal court. Most African Americans (and for that matter most Africans) don't seem all that bright, but every once in a while you meet an African-African who is really, really sharp (e.g. Obama's father before he became a dissolute drunk, the kids who get into every single Ivy nowadays, etc.) and Gannibal appears to have been one of those and he became a valuable confidant of Peter's.
  203. @jack shindo
    What is this bogus thin called "white standards of behaviour"? Is it stealing native American land without paying rent or just compensation for property stolen, or equality for some but not for the rest. Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    My late father served in the Navy in World War II. He never talked about his service and said he never saw combat, but his service ribbons, here on my book shelf, show two battle stars. His ship, the USS Hamlin, a sea plane tender, was at Okinawa and in Tokyo Harbor for the surrender. The two atom bombs eliminated any need to invade main land Japan. More people died in the battle for Okinawa than were caused by the two bombs. Ending a war in the most expedient manner and with the fewest losses to your side is not bad behavior. And as a side note, I don’t think any African country developed an atomic program.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I don’t think any African country developed an atomic program.

    Well, South Africa did. I suppose people are looking over their shoulder on that one.
  204. @SPMoore8
    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don't get the point.

    Pushkin's blackness may not be "impressive" but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States. He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason. Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of "Queen of Spades" by a mile.

    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don’t get the point.

    That Pushkin was over 87% European.Hence, he was much, much more European than Black African.

    Pushkin’s blackness may not be “impressive” but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States.

    The portraits show a lot of variety in his physiognomy.In some, he looks very Euro.

    He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.

    Actually, that Ethiopian part has been contested:

    The main reliable accounts of Gannibal’s life come from Peter the Great’s Negro, Pushkin’s unfinished biography of his great-grandfather, published after Pushkin’s death in 1837. Scholars argue that Pushkin’s account may be inaccurate due to the author’s desire to elevate the status of his ancestors and family. There are a number of contradictions between the biographies of Pushkin and the German novel, The Blackamoor of Peter the Great.[3] One such ahistorical biography by Gannibal’s son-in-law Rotkirkh was largely responsible for the myth, propagated by some earlier historians, that Gannibal was born in a part of what was then the Abyssinian Empire.[4] However, more recent research by the scholars Dieudonné Gnammankou and Hugh Barnes has conclusively established that the late general was instead born in Central Africa, in an area bordering Lake Chad in present-day Cameroon.[4][5]

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason.

    I didn’t dispute the literary merits of Pushkin.I simply pointed out that his degree of Black ancestry (12.5%) is not very impressive.Here’s the original passage:

    Pushkin’s great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, which makes Pushkin 12.5% Black.What they used to call an Octoroon.Not very impressive.

    So, yes, Pushkin was a great author.But he was not a great Black author.12.5% Black ancestry means very little in HBD terms.

    Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of “Queen of Spades” by a mile.

    Yes, the overwhelmingly European Pushkin was a better writer than the 25% Black Dumas.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Modern thinking is that Gannibal came from Cameroon, not Ethiopia. White people's knowledge of African geography was not great at that time and Africans of all kinds (e.g. West African slaves in the Americas) were often called "Ethiopians" even though they were from thousands of miles away.

    Ethiopians look quite different from Bantus and Gannibal looks nothing like an Ethiopian in his surviving portraits. Current thinking is that most Ethiopians are not 100% pure Africans and that there was a back migration from Arabia back into Africa at some point. This would also explain why they have some things (e.g. a written language) that other African civilizations lacked.
  205. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't think "urban" blacks are comfortable any place they're expected to be quiet.

    I don’t think “urban” blacks are comfortable any place they’re expected to be quiet.

    I don’t think “urban” blacks are comfortable any place where they aren’t the ones imposing their expectations on everyone else.

  206. @Jack D
    AA and Latinos also avoid classical music concerts. I just went to a concert in Philadelphia and the audience was as white as any KKK rally (except older). There were a couple of fat black middle aged women there but I found out later that they were bureaucrats from the Mayor's Office of the Arts - they were being paid to be there. Must be that historical discrimination thing again. We all know that blacks and Hispanics have no affinity for music as a result of their oppression - whitey beat it out of them.

    “AA and Latinos also avoid classical music concerts.”

    I’ve noticed that my local government has been using broadcasts of classical music to clear hobos from a large public space I walk through on my way to the office. It appears to be like Kryptonite to them.

  207. @SPMoore8
    I don't disagree, and that's a one way ticket to permanent underclass status.

    I'm not pretending that the majority of black people or even white people will ever be interested in the "higher arts" or museums or what have you. I do have in mind the 10% or even 1% of black people who want to become part of the dominant culture. They should be welcomed. That's really all I am saying.

    And you think that they are not? You have got to be kidding. Maybe some of the rednecks in their mother’s basements who are writing here are willing to say (behind their backs) that black people have made few contributions in the past, but I would venture to say that even they (not to mention the ultra-left liberals who are really in charge in America today) would welcome blacks who were willing and capable of conforming to civilized norms. Americans LOVE well spoken intelligent blacks – they FANTASIZE about meeting in real life all the black doctors and lawyers you see played by actors on TV, but instead mostly they just get Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon Martin.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    And you think that they are not?

    No, I don't think they are, when the overriding assumption expressed here is that no one with any African ancestry can ever make a meaningful contribution to Western Civilization. That guarantees a permanent underclass, too.

    I mean, the overall theme of this article was that AA's were not interested in museums, the opera, concerts, etc. That's true. (It's also true of most white people.) Michelle Obama was complaining about it because blacks were not "welcome". I disputed that, and said that the problem was that black people don't see "our" high culture as theirs; and when people like Michelle Obama talk about "inclusion" what they really mean is that they want a concert oratorio, music by Wagner, words by Tupac Shakur. I assume we don't disagree on that point.

    I also said that inclusion on that level is not the way to go about doing it.

    The general reply has been along the lines that "black people" in general were too "something" to appreciate these things. I don't think generalizations like that accomplish anything, except to help insure that black folks never assimilate to white culture (although, of course, many have) and I am criticizing statements of that kind.
  208. @jack shindo
    What is this bogus thin called "white standards of behaviour"? Is it stealing native American land without paying rent or just compensation for property stolen, or equality for some but not for the rest. Black people did not bomb Nagasaki or any such incidents. Bad and unacceptable behaviour is just that and it must be recognished to the full extent of the law. That is called equity for all!

    No excuses for Truman or Churchill – I’m with you there. But you can thank your lucky stars that the likes of Idi Amin and Augustin Bizimungu will never develop a nuclear capacity. Yes, we have our own sociopathic elites, and they are currently are forcing “integration” and “diversity” down our throats. All indicators of societal well being (literacy, intact families, low crime rates, etc) indicate that this agenda has been most destructive of all for the Black community.

  209. @Jefferson
    'Hispanics of all hues are counted as “white” perps by the FBI. Outrageous but true."

    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as "White" in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department. Apparently every single Hispanic MLB player from Venezuela, the Caribbean, and Panama are "White". I didn't know all of Latin America is basically just a racial extension of Europe.

    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as “White” in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department.

    I literally just caught about a minute of Rock’s bit on HBO’s Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel. Lamenting the decline (20% down to 8%) of black participation. It was really weird the way he talked over a picture of supposedly “all white” St Louts Cardinals players in which one of the five or six was clearly non-white (latino/black mix). Much like Sailer’s control-f for “immigr” theme, I briefly wondered whether Rock might question latinos replacing blacks.

    But his point was that Baseball Is Too White!!! to attract blacks. I guess in the past it was less Too White!!!! Or maybe those black ballplayers were all Uncle Toms?

    Let’s start a list of traditional things that are Too White!!! for blacks: Baseball, museums, libraries, the three R’s, respect for the law, … How can we get some color into these areas to attract them and get them through the door?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I've noticed the decline in baseball participation also by AA's, and it's hard not to notice if you became a baseball fan in the 1960's, where there were many black baseball stars.

    I think the short answer is that blacks were over-represented in the '60's and are under-represented now.

    MLB keeps trying to fix it by trying to initiate inner city baseball programs, I don't know what the results have been. The attempt to increase black participation on the field and at the box office is also what lies behind the canonization of Jackie Robinson, such that no one is allowed to wear the sacred uniform number 42, except on some selected day of the season (e.g., the anniversary when Jackie first stepped to the plate) when everyone is supposed to wear number 42. I mean, it is ridiculous.

    On the other hand, the NFL is 3/4 black nowadays and I haven't noticed a corresponding increase in black people in the stands. I guess family season tickets passed down from generation to generation is the last bastion of white privilege.

    However, pro sports in the United States seems always willing to pander to ethnic/racial/political interests, witness the numerous ethnic nights at the ballpark, or the pimping out of all NFL players in pink in October for Breast Cancer Awareness. We've come a long way from Super Bowl 15, where there was some controversy about the players wearing tiny yellow bits of tape on the backs of their helmets (for the hostages in Iran.)

    One can guess where this ethos of "inclusion is good because $$$" will lead next, but I'm just an observer, watching it happen.
    , @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    Let’s start a list of traditional things that are Too White!!! for blacks: Baseball, museums, libraries, the three R’s, respect for the law, … How can we get some color into these areas to attract them and get them through the door?

    And, marriage and the nuclear family. How could I forget them?
  210. @SPMoore8
    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don't get the point.

    Pushkin's blackness may not be "impressive" but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States. He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason. Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of "Queen of Spades" by a mile.

    There don’t seem to be that many pictures of Pushkin. In the days before photography, most people had very few images taken of them. Most pictures of Pushkin seem to be copied from Tropinin’s portrait of him. (Tropinin BTW has an interesting biography -look him up). In Tropinin’s portrait (and remember this is in the days before black hair care products – look at pictures of Frederick Douglass if you want to see what black people’s hair looked like then) Pushkin has wavy (NOT kinky) black hair and blue eyes and a narrow nose and his skin at most has a yellowish cast to it. Yes, I’m sure in 21st century America he would claim to be “black” to get in on the affirmative action goodies, but in any other time and place he would “pass” as a white person. About 15% black seems to be the threshold – below 15% it is usually impossible to tell (by looking) whether a white person has any black ancestry.

    Pushkin’s black great-grandfather appears to have been an exceptionally intelligent man. He was the son of African royalty and held as a child hostage at a sultan’s court to ensure his father’s good behavior (this was a common tactic) and then the sultan gave him as a present to Peter the Great and he grew up in the royal court. Most African Americans (and for that matter most Africans) don’t seem all that bright, but every once in a while you meet an African-African who is really, really sharp (e.g. Obama’s father before he became a dissolute drunk, the kids who get into every single Ivy nowadays, etc.) and Gannibal appears to have been one of those and he became a valuable confidant of Peter’s.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    but in any other time and place he would “pass” as a white person.

    Well, that's part of the point, isn't it, since in the United States and only in the United States do we have this moronic culture where one is defined as "white" or "black" depending on the appearance of Negroid external characteristics. (I say "external characteristics" such as nose, lips, skin tone, hair, and so forth because if we were going by intelligence only a lot of white people wouldn't make the cut.)

    However, Tropinin's portrait is not the only one and, yes, I'd say Pushkin would be considered a "high yaller" in our culture, but still black. Nobody would be calling him white. It's worth recalling that the "one drop rule" wasn't created by blacks.

    The information about Gannibal and Trepinov was interesting, thank you. Without looking at it, I would guess that there's an agenda here to make Gannibal more African than mixed, which would be the case if he were Ethiopian. But that's fine, too. I read all the books about Great Men of Color when I was a child, so I know the arguments that make Beethoven, Socrates, Coleridge, Browning, and many others "black" with a view to giving black folks a foothold in our dominant Eurocentric culture. And, as I said in my first post, I'm all for it, if it works. It's a little bit like the arguments that Wagner was "actually" part Jewish, with a view to getting Jews to enjoy Wagner post-Hitler. I don't think it's true, but it might be true, and who cares, as long as Hassidic Jews can enjoy a performance of Parsifal with my Catholic son.
  211. @Mike Zwick
    I wonder who keeps the DuSable Museum in Chicago afloat? http://www.dusablemuseum.org/

    I am sorry, but I know nothing about the Du Sable Museum in Chicago. My knowledge of the Charles H. Wright museum, and it’s financial difficulties, comes from reading the Detroit Free Press during Detroit’s bankruptcy proceedings. There were editorials written by Rochelle Riley about the need for the “community” to step up and support the Wright. Major funding for the museum had come from the Big Three auto makers and the city of Detroit. Membership was listed as 7000 members, mostly students, down from 20,000.

  212. @syonredux

    Most American blacks are of mixed race, I think the last % I saw was in the neighborhood of 15% white in the aggregate. So I don’t get the point.
     
    That Pushkin was over 87% European.Hence, he was much, much more European than Black African.

    Pushkin’s blackness may not be “impressive” but just looking at his portraits he would be considered black in the United States.
     
    The portraits show a lot of variety in his physiognomy.In some, he looks very Euro.

    He GGfather was Ethiopian, I believe.
     
    Actually, that Ethiopian part has been contested:

    The main reliable accounts of Gannibal's life come from Peter the Great's Negro, Pushkin's unfinished biography of his great-grandfather, published after Pushkin's death in 1837. Scholars argue that Pushkin's account may be inaccurate due to the author’s desire to elevate the status of his ancestors and family. There are a number of contradictions between the biographies of Pushkin and the German novel, The Blackamoor of Peter the Great.[3] One such ahistorical biography by Gannibal's son-in-law Rotkirkh was largely responsible for the myth, propagated by some earlier historians, that Gannibal was born in a part of what was then the Abyssinian Empire.[4] However, more recent research by the scholars Dieudonné Gnammankou and Hugh Barnes has conclusively established that the late general was instead born in Central Africa, in an area bordering Lake Chad in present-day Cameroon.[4][5]
     

    Also beg to differ on the literary merits, Pushkin is the national poet in Russia, and with good reason.
     
    I didn't dispute the literary merits of Pushkin.I simply pointed out that his degree of Black ancestry (12.5%) is not very impressive.Here's the original passage:

    Pushkin’s great grandfather was Abram Petrovich Gannibal, which makes Pushkin 12.5% Black.What they used to call an Octoroon.Not very impressive.
     
    So, yes, Pushkin was a great author.But he was not a great Black author.12.5% Black ancestry means very little in HBD terms.

    Dumas wrote a lot of potboiler type novels: popular, but not great literature. The author of “Queen of Spades” by a mile.
     
    Yes, the overwhelmingly European Pushkin was a better writer than the 25% Black Dumas.

    Modern thinking is that Gannibal came from Cameroon, not Ethiopia. White people’s knowledge of African geography was not great at that time and Africans of all kinds (e.g. West African slaves in the Americas) were often called “Ethiopians” even though they were from thousands of miles away.

    Ethiopians look quite different from Bantus and Gannibal looks nothing like an Ethiopian in his surviving portraits. Current thinking is that most Ethiopians are not 100% pure Africans and that there was a back migration from Arabia back into Africa at some point. This would also explain why they have some things (e.g. a written language) that other African civilizations lacked.

  213. @Steve Sailer
    But it is interesting that Guam had as many printing presses as the entire Muslim world and more than Brazil for a couple of hundred years.

    That is interesting if true.

    I wouldn’t say that Chamorros are terribly intellectual but they are generally very friendly and pleasent people. Definitely quieter and more introverted than Palauians.

  214. Blacks also will not be seen in large numbers in museums in Philadelphia. However, I went to the zoo this past weekend and the place was packed with them. Since it cost my family of 4 nearly $100 just to park and get in the door I assume there is a program out there giving them free tickets.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    For what it's worth: on a recent visit to the Philadelphia Museum of Art (and the Rodin Museum) I noticed that ~90% of the guards were Black. They probably felt unwelcomed and I (a person of great - almost glowing - paleness) was too privileged to notice. So I suppose I microäggrieved many on my visit. I did note that I was not asked to check my invisible knapsack.

    Sidebar: Why are those Marcel Duchamps there (within a 100 yards of where Rocky raised his fists) got to be a great backstory.
     
  215. It all makes sense once you realize that, by federal policy, African-Americans are a protected species, just like the Snail Darter, the Delta Smelt, the California Condor, coyotes and so on.

    No amount of government intervention is too much when it comes to protecting the environment.

  216. @Jack D
    And you think that they are not? You have got to be kidding. Maybe some of the rednecks in their mother's basements who are writing here are willing to say (behind their backs) that black people have made few contributions in the past, but I would venture to say that even they (not to mention the ultra-left liberals who are really in charge in America today) would welcome blacks who were willing and capable of conforming to civilized norms. Americans LOVE well spoken intelligent blacks - they FANTASIZE about meeting in real life all the black doctors and lawyers you see played by actors on TV, but instead mostly they just get Rachel Jeantel and Trayvon Martin.

    And you think that they are not?

    No, I don’t think they are, when the overriding assumption expressed here is that no one with any African ancestry can ever make a meaningful contribution to Western Civilization. That guarantees a permanent underclass, too.

    I mean, the overall theme of this article was that AA’s were not interested in museums, the opera, concerts, etc. That’s true. (It’s also true of most white people.) Michelle Obama was complaining about it because blacks were not “welcome”. I disputed that, and said that the problem was that black people don’t see “our” high culture as theirs; and when people like Michelle Obama talk about “inclusion” what they really mean is that they want a concert oratorio, music by Wagner, words by Tupac Shakur. I assume we don’t disagree on that point.

    I also said that inclusion on that level is not the way to go about doing it.

    The general reply has been along the lines that “black people” in general were too “something” to appreciate these things. I don’t think generalizations like that accomplish anything, except to help insure that black folks never assimilate to white culture (although, of course, many have) and I am criticizing statements of that kind.

    • Replies: @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    I disputed that, and said that the problem was that black people don’t see “our” high culture as theirs;

    The only thing your relatively sensible post is missing is the fact, and frankly the most important fact, that black people have been told, taught, and preached to, for several generations now that they CAN NOT show any deference to, much less embrace, any traditional anglo-european institution.

    , @dcite
    Washington D.C. is loaded with free museums. They are full to brimming most weekends, and busy even during the week. I noticed back in the 70s, almost all the visitors were white or of various Asian nationalities. I mentioned this to my friend and he said something to the effect that "they are not really part of this culture." The Asians didn't seem to mind. I visit museums devoted to the arts of other cultures.
    Actually most whites are interested in museums, especially history and nature. And there's nothing specifically "racial" about the the Museum of Natural History. I have heard that even black-themed museums do not do well. I guess museum-going is just not in their culture, except for being dragged to one on a grade-school class trip.
  217. @Jack D
    There don't seem to be that many pictures of Pushkin. In the days before photography, most people had very few images taken of them. Most pictures of Pushkin seem to be copied from Tropinin's portrait of him. (Tropinin BTW has an interesting biography -look him up). In Tropinin's portrait (and remember this is in the days before black hair care products - look at pictures of Frederick Douglass if you want to see what black people's hair looked like then) Pushkin has wavy (NOT kinky) black hair and blue eyes and a narrow nose and his skin at most has a yellowish cast to it. Yes, I'm sure in 21st century America he would claim to be "black" to get in on the affirmative action goodies, but in any other time and place he would "pass" as a white person. About 15% black seems to be the threshold - below 15% it is usually impossible to tell (by looking) whether a white person has any black ancestry.

    Pushkin's black great-grandfather appears to have been an exceptionally intelligent man. He was the son of African royalty and held as a child hostage at a sultan's court to ensure his father's good behavior (this was a common tactic) and then the sultan gave him as a present to Peter the Great and he grew up in the royal court. Most African Americans (and for that matter most Africans) don't seem all that bright, but every once in a while you meet an African-African who is really, really sharp (e.g. Obama's father before he became a dissolute drunk, the kids who get into every single Ivy nowadays, etc.) and Gannibal appears to have been one of those and he became a valuable confidant of Peter's.

    but in any other time and place he would “pass” as a white person.

    Well, that’s part of the point, isn’t it, since in the United States and only in the United States do we have this moronic culture where one is defined as “white” or “black” depending on the appearance of Negroid external characteristics. (I say “external characteristics” such as nose, lips, skin tone, hair, and so forth because if we were going by intelligence only a lot of white people wouldn’t make the cut.)

    However, Tropinin’s portrait is not the only one and, yes, I’d say Pushkin would be considered a “high yaller” in our culture, but still black. Nobody would be calling him white. It’s worth recalling that the “one drop rule” wasn’t created by blacks.

    The information about Gannibal and Trepinov was interesting, thank you. Without looking at it, I would guess that there’s an agenda here to make Gannibal more African than mixed, which would be the case if he were Ethiopian. But that’s fine, too. I read all the books about Great Men of Color when I was a child, so I know the arguments that make Beethoven, Socrates, Coleridge, Browning, and many others “black” with a view to giving black folks a foothold in our dominant Eurocentric culture. And, as I said in my first post, I’m all for it, if it works. It’s a little bit like the arguments that Wagner was “actually” part Jewish, with a view to getting Jews to enjoy Wagner post-Hitler. I don’t think it’s true, but it might be true, and who cares, as long as Hassidic Jews can enjoy a performance of Parsifal with my Catholic son.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    It’s worth recalling that the “one drop rule” wasn’t created by blacks.
     
    Although they are, at present, the leading proponents of it:

    Halle Berry said she is in a war of words with her ex-partner, Gabriel Aubry, about their daughter’s racial identity.

    Berry, 44, is the daughter of a white mother, who was a psychiatric nurse, and a black father, who was a hospital attendant in the same ward. Aubry is French-Canadian and white.

    The couple is in the middle of a bitter custody battle over their 2-year-old girl, Nahla.

    “I feel she’s black. I’m black and I’m her mother, and I believe in the one-drop theory,” Berry said in an interview with Ebony magazine.

     

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/halle-berry-cites-drop-rule-daughter-black-white/story?id=12869789
    , @Observer
    These arguments you mention about great crypto-blacks, besides having the disadvantage of being essentially baseless, seem to have no effect in the real world.

    I've never heard of a black person deciding to read Browning (or anyone else) because of his speculative black ancestry. And imagine being an intelligent black person deciding to dig deeper into Beethoven, and discovering that his supposed "Moorish ancestry" was made up by an Afrocentric crank. I think it would just make a person more cynical.

    Feeding people falsehoods is a poor way to foster respect for civilization.
  218. @Buffalo Joe
    My late father served in the Navy in World War II. He never talked about his service and said he never saw combat, but his service ribbons, here on my book shelf, show two battle stars. His ship, the USS Hamlin, a sea plane tender, was at Okinawa and in Tokyo Harbor for the surrender. The two atom bombs eliminated any need to invade main land Japan. More people died in the battle for Okinawa than were caused by the two bombs. Ending a war in the most expedient manner and with the fewest losses to your side is not bad behavior. And as a side note, I don't think any African country developed an atomic program.

    I don’t think any African country developed an atomic program.

    Well, South Africa did. I suppose people are looking over their shoulder on that one.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    The Afrikaaner government, in one of the more far-sighted acts of modern history, dismantled its small nuclear arsenal before handing power over to the black democratic majority.
    , @Flinders Petrie
    I don't doubt or deny that there are brilliant Africans, as you are emphasizing. The Devil is in the details, however. And in this case, the Devil is population-level IQ. Not individual actors.

    Anyway, I've always been curious if the South African nuclear scientists were Africans or Europeans. It is a historic detail of which I am admittedly ignorant. Do you know?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Thank you, I stand corrected. I do, however, doubt that present day South Africa could develop an atomic program.
  219. @SPMoore8
    And you think that they are not?

    No, I don't think they are, when the overriding assumption expressed here is that no one with any African ancestry can ever make a meaningful contribution to Western Civilization. That guarantees a permanent underclass, too.

    I mean, the overall theme of this article was that AA's were not interested in museums, the opera, concerts, etc. That's true. (It's also true of most white people.) Michelle Obama was complaining about it because blacks were not "welcome". I disputed that, and said that the problem was that black people don't see "our" high culture as theirs; and when people like Michelle Obama talk about "inclusion" what they really mean is that they want a concert oratorio, music by Wagner, words by Tupac Shakur. I assume we don't disagree on that point.

    I also said that inclusion on that level is not the way to go about doing it.

    The general reply has been along the lines that "black people" in general were too "something" to appreciate these things. I don't think generalizations like that accomplish anything, except to help insure that black folks never assimilate to white culture (although, of course, many have) and I am criticizing statements of that kind.

    I disputed that, and said that the problem was that black people don’t see “our” high culture as theirs;

    The only thing your relatively sensible post is missing is the fact, and frankly the most important fact, that black people have been told, taught, and preached to, for several generations now that they CAN NOT show any deference to, much less embrace, any traditional anglo-european institution.

  220. @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as “White” in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department.

    I literally just caught about a minute of Rock's bit on HBO's Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel. Lamenting the decline (20% down to 8%) of black participation. It was really weird the way he talked over a picture of supposedly "all white" St Louts Cardinals players in which one of the five or six was clearly non-white (latino/black mix). Much like Sailer's control-f for "immigr" theme, I briefly wondered whether Rock might question latinos replacing blacks.

    But his point was that Baseball Is Too White!!! to attract blacks. I guess in the past it was less Too White!!!! Or maybe those black ballplayers were all Uncle Toms?

    Let's start a list of traditional things that are Too White!!! for blacks: Baseball, museums, libraries, the three R's, respect for the law, ... How can we get some color into these areas to attract them and get them through the door?

    I’ve noticed the decline in baseball participation also by AA’s, and it’s hard not to notice if you became a baseball fan in the 1960’s, where there were many black baseball stars.

    I think the short answer is that blacks were over-represented in the ’60’s and are under-represented now.

    MLB keeps trying to fix it by trying to initiate inner city baseball programs, I don’t know what the results have been. The attempt to increase black participation on the field and at the box office is also what lies behind the canonization of Jackie Robinson, such that no one is allowed to wear the sacred uniform number 42, except on some selected day of the season (e.g., the anniversary when Jackie first stepped to the plate) when everyone is supposed to wear number 42. I mean, it is ridiculous.

    On the other hand, the NFL is 3/4 black nowadays and I haven’t noticed a corresponding increase in black people in the stands. I guess family season tickets passed down from generation to generation is the last bastion of white privilege.

    However, pro sports in the United States seems always willing to pander to ethnic/racial/political interests, witness the numerous ethnic nights at the ballpark, or the pimping out of all NFL players in pink in October for Breast Cancer Awareness. We’ve come a long way from Super Bowl 15, where there was some controversy about the players wearing tiny yellow bits of tape on the backs of their helmets (for the hostages in Iran.)

    One can guess where this ethos of “inclusion is good because $$$” will lead next, but I’m just an observer, watching it happen.

    • Replies: @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    I suspect that the reason young blacks don't play baseball has something to do with the facts that 1) their earlier onset of physical maturity doesn't help them dominate in baseball as much as some other sports and 2) their has been no general deterioration of the rules to facilitate 1). Both also 3) the Too White!!! stigma.

    All of the above reasons would loosely fall under "culture" by the way.

    And of course there may be some economic angle. The Chris Rock bit I mentioned actually points out that they find a way to play baseball in various third world countries, where they are obviously investing their resources in promoting something to which they have a cultural attachment. It's just hard to imagine that there is some kind of tipping point, ie. the expenditure on two sports, which causes a third to be completely dropped.
    , @MarkinLA
    I think the short answer is that blacks were over-represented in the ’60′s and are under-represented now.

    How can any group be under or over represented in any sport? It is up to the indivudual's own inate talent and work ethic to make it to the big leagues in any sport. Young blacks are not putting their time and energy into baseball. That is what is happening. Even Bo Jackson was only a 250 hitter. He could hit long home runs and was an amazing fielder but was never going to make it to Cooperstown unless he ditched football. Once he was injured, his baseball career was also effectively over.

    The Latins have been putting major effort into getting into pro-baseball with some teams even sponsoring development programs in places like the Dominican Republic.
  221. @charlie
    Also see Michelle Obama's comments today.

    There is a tremendous amount of dislike of black people and black culture.

    There are even a lot of racists out here, who have some sort of psychological hangup and hate black people and feel they are inferior.

    There is almost no "structural racism". On notable exception, of course, is Hollywood. Hard to sell a black leading man. Of course there is plenty of success there by individual blacks.

    On the other side, you have the NBA.

    We do live in an economy and world where little differences start to add up.

    “There is a tremendous amount of dislike of black people and black culture.”

    What a mystery .

  222. @SPMoore8
    but in any other time and place he would “pass” as a white person.

    Well, that's part of the point, isn't it, since in the United States and only in the United States do we have this moronic culture where one is defined as "white" or "black" depending on the appearance of Negroid external characteristics. (I say "external characteristics" such as nose, lips, skin tone, hair, and so forth because if we were going by intelligence only a lot of white people wouldn't make the cut.)

    However, Tropinin's portrait is not the only one and, yes, I'd say Pushkin would be considered a "high yaller" in our culture, but still black. Nobody would be calling him white. It's worth recalling that the "one drop rule" wasn't created by blacks.

    The information about Gannibal and Trepinov was interesting, thank you. Without looking at it, I would guess that there's an agenda here to make Gannibal more African than mixed, which would be the case if he were Ethiopian. But that's fine, too. I read all the books about Great Men of Color when I was a child, so I know the arguments that make Beethoven, Socrates, Coleridge, Browning, and many others "black" with a view to giving black folks a foothold in our dominant Eurocentric culture. And, as I said in my first post, I'm all for it, if it works. It's a little bit like the arguments that Wagner was "actually" part Jewish, with a view to getting Jews to enjoy Wagner post-Hitler. I don't think it's true, but it might be true, and who cares, as long as Hassidic Jews can enjoy a performance of Parsifal with my Catholic son.

    It’s worth recalling that the “one drop rule” wasn’t created by blacks.

    Although they are, at present, the leading proponents of it:

    Halle Berry said she is in a war of words with her ex-partner, Gabriel Aubry, about their daughter’s racial identity.

    Berry, 44, is the daughter of a white mother, who was a psychiatric nurse, and a black father, who was a hospital attendant in the same ward. Aubry is French-Canadian and white.

    The couple is in the middle of a bitter custody battle over their 2-year-old girl, Nahla.

    “I feel she’s black. I’m black and I’m her mother, and I believe in the one-drop theory,” Berry said in an interview with Ebony magazine.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/halle-berry-cites-drop-rule-daughter-black-white/story?id=12869789

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people. However, you are right about one thing: since the 1960's, there has been a stronger undercurrent of blackness being itself privileged (this is part of what Steve was alluding to in his blog post) and inherently superior. That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs. However, I don't care, because I haven't followed hoops in 50 years.
    , @Truth

    Although they are, at present, the leading proponents of it:
     
    What other choice do black people have? Either the people with the power invite into their money, clubs, and daughter's wombs, or they don't, and if they don't what are your other options?
  223. @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    And Hispanics of all hues are counted as “White” in the MLB, because Chris Rock said the MLB is Whiter than the Ferguson police department.

    I literally just caught about a minute of Rock's bit on HBO's Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel. Lamenting the decline (20% down to 8%) of black participation. It was really weird the way he talked over a picture of supposedly "all white" St Louts Cardinals players in which one of the five or six was clearly non-white (latino/black mix). Much like Sailer's control-f for "immigr" theme, I briefly wondered whether Rock might question latinos replacing blacks.

    But his point was that Baseball Is Too White!!! to attract blacks. I guess in the past it was less Too White!!!! Or maybe those black ballplayers were all Uncle Toms?

    Let's start a list of traditional things that are Too White!!! for blacks: Baseball, museums, libraries, the three R's, respect for the law, ... How can we get some color into these areas to attract them and get them through the door?

    Let’s start a list of traditional things that are Too White!!! for blacks: Baseball, museums, libraries, the three R’s, respect for the law, … How can we get some color into these areas to attract them and get them through the door?

    And, marriage and the nuclear family. How could I forget them?

  224. @syonredux

    It’s worth recalling that the “one drop rule” wasn’t created by blacks.
     
    Although they are, at present, the leading proponents of it:

    Halle Berry said she is in a war of words with her ex-partner, Gabriel Aubry, about their daughter’s racial identity.

    Berry, 44, is the daughter of a white mother, who was a psychiatric nurse, and a black father, who was a hospital attendant in the same ward. Aubry is French-Canadian and white.

    The couple is in the middle of a bitter custody battle over their 2-year-old girl, Nahla.

    “I feel she’s black. I’m black and I’m her mother, and I believe in the one-drop theory,” Berry said in an interview with Ebony magazine.

     

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/halle-berry-cites-drop-rule-daughter-black-white/story?id=12869789

    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people. However, you are right about one thing: since the 1960’s, there has been a stronger undercurrent of blackness being itself privileged (this is part of what Steve was alluding to in his blog post) and inherently superior. That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs. However, I don’t care, because I haven’t followed hoops in 50 years.

    • Replies: @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs.

    Oh, man. I could have gone without knowing that. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss
    , @syonredux

    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people.
     
    All? No, but her attitude does seem quite representative of mainstream Black opinion.

    That is why I referenced the Afrocentric thing, made most famous in the ’80′s and ’90′s by Bernal’s Black Athena project. I followed that with amusement, not because I think Bernal was correct, but because I admired his erudition and his general crankiness.
     
    I literally laughed out loud when I read Black Athena the first time.The unbelievable errors that Bernal committed in that book!
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    I don’t care, because I haven’t followed hoops in 50 years.

    I've got more news for you, grampa: he no longer goes by "Lew Alcindor."
    , @Jim Don Bob
    True that Halle Berry is an idiot, but check her out naked in Monsters Ball with Billy Bob Thornton. Zowie!
  225. @SPMoore8
    but in any other time and place he would “pass” as a white person.

    Well, that's part of the point, isn't it, since in the United States and only in the United States do we have this moronic culture where one is defined as "white" or "black" depending on the appearance of Negroid external characteristics. (I say "external characteristics" such as nose, lips, skin tone, hair, and so forth because if we were going by intelligence only a lot of white people wouldn't make the cut.)

    However, Tropinin's portrait is not the only one and, yes, I'd say Pushkin would be considered a "high yaller" in our culture, but still black. Nobody would be calling him white. It's worth recalling that the "one drop rule" wasn't created by blacks.

    The information about Gannibal and Trepinov was interesting, thank you. Without looking at it, I would guess that there's an agenda here to make Gannibal more African than mixed, which would be the case if he were Ethiopian. But that's fine, too. I read all the books about Great Men of Color when I was a child, so I know the arguments that make Beethoven, Socrates, Coleridge, Browning, and many others "black" with a view to giving black folks a foothold in our dominant Eurocentric culture. And, as I said in my first post, I'm all for it, if it works. It's a little bit like the arguments that Wagner was "actually" part Jewish, with a view to getting Jews to enjoy Wagner post-Hitler. I don't think it's true, but it might be true, and who cares, as long as Hassidic Jews can enjoy a performance of Parsifal with my Catholic son.

    These arguments you mention about great crypto-blacks, besides having the disadvantage of being essentially baseless, seem to have no effect in the real world.

    I’ve never heard of a black person deciding to read Browning (or anyone else) because of his speculative black ancestry. And imagine being an intelligent black person deciding to dig deeper into Beethoven, and discovering that his supposed “Moorish ancestry” was made up by an Afrocentric crank. I think it would just make a person more cynical.

    Feeding people falsehoods is a poor way to foster respect for civilization.

    • Replies: @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    I’ve never heard of a black person deciding to read Browning (or anyone else) because of his speculative black ancestry. And imagine being an intelligent black person deciding to dig deeper into Beethoven, and discovering that his supposed “Moorish ancestry” was made up by an Afrocentric crank.

    I was thinking about this very point. The type of people arguing for the blackness of these historical figures don't seem to be arguing that blacks should actually be interested in them.

    And, speaking of baseball, don't forget to add Babe Ruth to the list
    , @SPMoore8
    I like that expression "crypto-blacks".

    I've changed my feelings about it over the years. When I discovered the field in the '60's, I thought it was great, or at least, very interesting, the whole "Hannibal, great general, but he was black" sort of thing. So, back then, I used to think that it was a good thing, because it fostered self-esteem. Really, it's no different than saying that having a black POTUS will inspire a generation of black youth, etc.

    As I got older, say, 30, I had encountered enough ethnic politics among Europeans, and European Jews, and Blacks, to decide that I was heartily sick of the whole matter and that nationalist pandering is not only false but also needlessly inflating, inflammatory, polarizing, and so on.

    But I still follow the field because I know something about it. That is why I referenced the Afrocentric thing, made most famous in the '80's and '90's by Bernal's Black Athena project. I followed that with amusement, not because I think Bernal was correct, but because I admired his erudition and his general crankiness. However, while many AA and pro-AA scholars loved his stuff, I couldn't help but notice that most of his harshest critics were Jewish. That, too, points to the idea that there is no greater sickness than excessive nationalism.

    Nowadays, I look at it strictly from a practical POV. I have actually known blacks who got interested in German culture via Dubois, and Jews who overcame their trained hatred of Wagner by the crypto-Jewish hypothesis. It's a primitive way to forge cultural links, but it is better than no links at all.
  226. @Steve Sailer
    But it is interesting that Guam had as many printing presses as the entire Muslim world and more than Brazil for a couple of hundred years.

    Guam was the pit stop on the Spanish galleon route between Manila and Acapulco.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Guam was the pit stop on the Spanish galleon route between Manila and Acapulco.
     
    More precisely the other way--i.e. on the route from Acapulco to Manila riding the trades. The return was up north of the horse latitudes riding the westerlies.
  227. Nothing makes a black kid want to visit a museum more than telling them ahead of time they probably won’t feel welcome there. I don’t think black kids had any such reservations back in the 60s. Nothing like telling kids how deprived and unprivileged they are to really fire up their ambition and curiosity.

    Well done, FLOTUS.

    • Replies: @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    Nothing makes a black kid want to visit a museum more than telling them ahead of time they probably won’t feel welcome there.

    Exactly. In a sane world the headline would be "First Lady tells blacks they aren't welcome at Museums."
  228. @SPMoore8
    I've noticed the decline in baseball participation also by AA's, and it's hard not to notice if you became a baseball fan in the 1960's, where there were many black baseball stars.

    I think the short answer is that blacks were over-represented in the '60's and are under-represented now.

    MLB keeps trying to fix it by trying to initiate inner city baseball programs, I don't know what the results have been. The attempt to increase black participation on the field and at the box office is also what lies behind the canonization of Jackie Robinson, such that no one is allowed to wear the sacred uniform number 42, except on some selected day of the season (e.g., the anniversary when Jackie first stepped to the plate) when everyone is supposed to wear number 42. I mean, it is ridiculous.

    On the other hand, the NFL is 3/4 black nowadays and I haven't noticed a corresponding increase in black people in the stands. I guess family season tickets passed down from generation to generation is the last bastion of white privilege.

    However, pro sports in the United States seems always willing to pander to ethnic/racial/political interests, witness the numerous ethnic nights at the ballpark, or the pimping out of all NFL players in pink in October for Breast Cancer Awareness. We've come a long way from Super Bowl 15, where there was some controversy about the players wearing tiny yellow bits of tape on the backs of their helmets (for the hostages in Iran.)

    One can guess where this ethos of "inclusion is good because $$$" will lead next, but I'm just an observer, watching it happen.

    I suspect that the reason young blacks don’t play baseball has something to do with the facts that 1) their earlier onset of physical maturity doesn’t help them dominate in baseball as much as some other sports and 2) their has been no general deterioration of the rules to facilitate 1). Both also 3) the Too White!!! stigma.

    All of the above reasons would loosely fall under “culture” by the way.

    And of course there may be some economic angle. The Chris Rock bit I mentioned actually points out that they find a way to play baseball in various third world countries, where they are obviously investing their resources in promoting something to which they have a cultural attachment. It’s just hard to imagine that there is some kind of tipping point, ie. the expenditure on two sports, which causes a third to be completely dropped.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Okay, my son would call me a racist on this but: Baseball is a long learning curve. It's also a very intellectual game, sort of like chess with bats. That's one of the reasons why I like the game; you don't have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late '20's (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It's like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that's the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it's a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.
  229. @SPMoore8
    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people. However, you are right about one thing: since the 1960's, there has been a stronger undercurrent of blackness being itself privileged (this is part of what Steve was alluding to in his blog post) and inherently superior. That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs. However, I don't care, because I haven't followed hoops in 50 years.

    That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs.

    Oh, man. I could have gone without knowing that. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss

  230. @Observer
    These arguments you mention about great crypto-blacks, besides having the disadvantage of being essentially baseless, seem to have no effect in the real world.

    I've never heard of a black person deciding to read Browning (or anyone else) because of his speculative black ancestry. And imagine being an intelligent black person deciding to dig deeper into Beethoven, and discovering that his supposed "Moorish ancestry" was made up by an Afrocentric crank. I think it would just make a person more cynical.

    Feeding people falsehoods is a poor way to foster respect for civilization.

    I’ve never heard of a black person deciding to read Browning (or anyone else) because of his speculative black ancestry. And imagine being an intelligent black person deciding to dig deeper into Beethoven, and discovering that his supposed “Moorish ancestry” was made up by an Afrocentric crank.

    I was thinking about this very point. The type of people arguing for the blackness of these historical figures don’t seem to be arguing that blacks should actually be interested in them.

    And, speaking of baseball, don’t forget to add Babe Ruth to the list

  231. @carol
    Nothing makes a black kid want to visit a museum more than telling them ahead of time they probably won't feel welcome there. I don't think black kids had any such reservations back in the 60s. Nothing like telling kids how deprived and unprivileged they are to really fire up their ambition and curiosity.

    Well done, FLOTUS.

    Nothing makes a black kid want to visit a museum more than telling them ahead of time they probably won’t feel welcome there.

    Exactly. In a sane world the headline would be “First Lady tells blacks they aren’t welcome at Museums.”

  232. @Observer
    These arguments you mention about great crypto-blacks, besides having the disadvantage of being essentially baseless, seem to have no effect in the real world.

    I've never heard of a black person deciding to read Browning (or anyone else) because of his speculative black ancestry. And imagine being an intelligent black person deciding to dig deeper into Beethoven, and discovering that his supposed "Moorish ancestry" was made up by an Afrocentric crank. I think it would just make a person more cynical.

    Feeding people falsehoods is a poor way to foster respect for civilization.

    I like that expression “crypto-blacks”.

    I’ve changed my feelings about it over the years. When I discovered the field in the ’60’s, I thought it was great, or at least, very interesting, the whole “Hannibal, great general, but he was black” sort of thing. So, back then, I used to think that it was a good thing, because it fostered self-esteem. Really, it’s no different than saying that having a black POTUS will inspire a generation of black youth, etc.

    As I got older, say, 30, I had encountered enough ethnic politics among Europeans, and European Jews, and Blacks, to decide that I was heartily sick of the whole matter and that nationalist pandering is not only false but also needlessly inflating, inflammatory, polarizing, and so on.

    But I still follow the field because I know something about it. That is why I referenced the Afrocentric thing, made most famous in the ’80’s and ’90’s by Bernal’s Black Athena project. I followed that with amusement, not because I think Bernal was correct, but because I admired his erudition and his general crankiness. However, while many AA and pro-AA scholars loved his stuff, I couldn’t help but notice that most of his harshest critics were Jewish. That, too, points to the idea that there is no greater sickness than excessive nationalism.

    Nowadays, I look at it strictly from a practical POV. I have actually known blacks who got interested in German culture via Dubois, and Jews who overcame their trained hatred of Wagner by the crypto-Jewish hypothesis. It’s a primitive way to forge cultural links, but it is better than no links at all.

    • Replies: @Observer
    Here's something I've wondered about. Afrocentric schools & curricula have now existed for decades. Someone should test them by a rigorous study. Do the results of graduates of those schools (their heads stuffed with readings about great Black Egyptians and how the white man "stole" knowledge from blacks, etc) surpass the results of black students subjected to "normal" education in any measurable way? In short, do Afrocentric schools get results?
  233. @SPMoore8
    I don’t think any African country developed an atomic program.

    Well, South Africa did. I suppose people are looking over their shoulder on that one.

    The Afrikaaner government, in one of the more far-sighted acts of modern history, dismantled its small nuclear arsenal before handing power over to the black democratic majority.

  234. @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    I suspect that the reason young blacks don't play baseball has something to do with the facts that 1) their earlier onset of physical maturity doesn't help them dominate in baseball as much as some other sports and 2) their has been no general deterioration of the rules to facilitate 1). Both also 3) the Too White!!! stigma.

    All of the above reasons would loosely fall under "culture" by the way.

    And of course there may be some economic angle. The Chris Rock bit I mentioned actually points out that they find a way to play baseball in various third world countries, where they are obviously investing their resources in promoting something to which they have a cultural attachment. It's just hard to imagine that there is some kind of tipping point, ie. the expenditure on two sports, which causes a third to be completely dropped.

    Okay, my son would call me a racist on this but: Baseball is a long learning curve. It’s also a very intellectual game, sort of like chess with bats. That’s one of the reasons why I like the game; you don’t have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late ’20’s (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It’s like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that’s the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it’s a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late ’20′s (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It’s like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that’s the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it’s a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.
     
    Baseball is economically a better investment than basketball or football. Even mediocre players can usually play in the minor leagues and earn some cash and small time fame. For football and basketball, it's essentially the end of the road if you don't get drafted.

    Also, baseball is less brutal on your body. So you can walk away from your baseball career with your health in tact. Less true for basketball and generally not true for football.

    The odds of a high school player going pro are higher in baseball than in basketball or football.
    , @Truth

    That’s one of the reasons why I like the game; you don’t have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.
     
    Both football and basketball are much more intellectual than baseball; evidence? When was the last time you've seen a baseball team with a playbook.

    You see a ball coming, you hit it or you catch it, then you run or throw it. That's the essence of baseball. Of course there is strategy, but it pales in comparison to a modern NBA offense. I would not even compare it to an NFL offense.
    , @Brutusale
    Absolutely true. I played baseball through high school and American Legion, and I had a few black teammates early on, some with a modicum of talent. They had all stopped playing by high school.

    The apprenticeship is a huge issue. Football and basketball have the colleges to train and pamper their athletes, while minor league baseball life, to quote Jim Bouton, is all very minor. John Feinstein's book about life in Triple A during the 2012 season, Where Nobody Knows Your Name, is a great read.

    Baseball's drawn-out learning curve is why they lose talented black athletes with other options, like Russell Wilson.
  235. @SPMoore8
    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people. However, you are right about one thing: since the 1960's, there has been a stronger undercurrent of blackness being itself privileged (this is part of what Steve was alluding to in his blog post) and inherently superior. That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs. However, I don't care, because I haven't followed hoops in 50 years.

    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people.

    All? No, but her attitude does seem quite representative of mainstream Black opinion.

    That is why I referenced the Afrocentric thing, made most famous in the ’80′s and ’90′s by Bernal’s Black Athena project. I followed that with amusement, not because I think Bernal was correct, but because I admired his erudition and his general crankiness.

    I literally laughed out loud when I read Black Athena the first time.The unbelievable errors that Bernal committed in that book!

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Yes, but it takes high intelligence and great learning to be that goofy. Compare Velikovsky or John Allegro ("Sacred Mushroom and the Cross").
  236. @syonredux

    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people.
     
    All? No, but her attitude does seem quite representative of mainstream Black opinion.

    That is why I referenced the Afrocentric thing, made most famous in the ’80′s and ’90′s by Bernal’s Black Athena project. I followed that with amusement, not because I think Bernal was correct, but because I admired his erudition and his general crankiness.
     
    I literally laughed out loud when I read Black Athena the first time.The unbelievable errors that Bernal committed in that book!

    Yes, but it takes high intelligence and great learning to be that goofy. Compare Velikovsky or John Allegro (“Sacred Mushroom and the Cross”).

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Yes, but it takes high intelligence and great learning to be that goofy. Compare Velikovsky or John Allegro (“Sacred Mushroom and the Cross”).
     
    Oh, God.Worlds in Collision ......yeesh.Venus is a comet that was expelled from Jupiter.That might have been even funnier than Bernal.
  237. @SPMoore8
    Well, Halle Berry is clearly an idiot and can hardly be quoted as expressing the views of all black people. However, you are right about one thing: since the 1960's, there has been a stronger undercurrent of blackness being itself privileged (this is part of what Steve was alluding to in his blog post) and inherently superior. That is why people like Ta Nehisi Coates have been using the hashtag #blackexcellence with reference to the NBA playoffs. However, I don't care, because I haven't followed hoops in 50 years.

    I don’t care, because I haven’t followed hoops in 50 years.

    I’ve got more news for you, grampa: he no longer goes by “Lew Alcindor.”

  238. @SPMoore8
    Well, I don't think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris' #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the '20's (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn't go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can't help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, "Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus." Come to think of it, "Master and Man" could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn't snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too.

    Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too. In Dreams from My Father, he writes, “It wasn’t that Europe wasn’t beautiful; everything was just as I’d imagined it. It just wasn’t mine.” He doesn’t even acknowledge that he’s the product of a black-white union except when it’s politically expedient, he self-identifies as black.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&pg=PA301&dq=Obama++Europe++beautiful++not+mine++%22Dreams+from+my+Father%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jo5SVayTOIbGsAXzhoH4Ag&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Obama%20%20Europe%20%20beautiful%20%20not%20mine%20%20%22Dreams%20from%20my%20Father%22&f=false

    They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color.

    This has got to be the most bizarre thing I’ve ever read at iSteve. Why should they? And why do you apparently believe that’s even possible?

  239. @SPMoore8
    Well, I don't think any American has ever written a decent symphony, although Roy Harris' #3 might make the cut, although it was written almost 80 years ago. The fact is, the symphony as a form of artistic expression has been moribund since the '20's (Sibelius) and the only essays in that genre that are still popular were written by highly conservative Europeans (Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Vaughn Williams) with very mixed results.

    On the other hand, in terms of other musical genres, African Americans have made enormous contributions; in jazz, rock, and other styles. But that kind of music doesn't go in the concert hall.

    In literature, if you are deaf to Langston Hughes I can't help you. But both Dumas and Pushkin were mulattoes, and if you exclude them on the basis of misguided race pride you are mistaken.

    Whether you realize it or not, you are taking the tack of (conservative Jew) Saul Bellow, who once castigated the black community by asking, "Who is the Tolstoy of the Zulus?" to which Ralph Wiley, a black sports writer turned author responded, "Tolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulus." Come to think of it, "Master and Man" could be easily redone in the Old South. Except it doesn't snow much.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too. They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color. Even WEB Dubois understood that, over a century ago. But, OMG, he was black.

    Black people are here to stay in our nation and our culture. They need to know that our culture is theirs, too.

    Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too. In Dreams from My Father, he writes, “It wasn’t that Europe wasn’t beautiful; everything was just as I’d imagined it. It just wasn’t mine.”

    https://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&pg=PA301&dq=Obama++Europe++beautiful++not+mine++%22Dreams+from+my+Father%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Jo5SVayTOIbGsAXzhoH4Ag&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Obama%20%20Europe%20%20beautiful%20%20not%20mine%20%20%22Dreams%20from%20my%20Father%22&f=false

    They should be able to unselfconsciously appreciate Beethoven, Bach, Goethe, Schiller, just the same as anyone else, regardless of skin color.

    This has got to be the most bizarre thing I’ve ever read at iSteve. Why should they? And why do you apparently believe that’s even possible?

  240. It’s the Washington DC Grate Society. I was down there in the roaring 90’s. Lots of people sleeping on grates and venture into the other end of town and lots of cars with no wheels up on cinder block stands. With more victims and associate victims you’ll need a bigger agency and more programs. The idiot white engineers came up with fake grass and now the real grass is giving up the ghost for lack of water. US is good at bombing. If you have brown people you are getting bombed.

  241. @SPMoore8
    Yes, but it takes high intelligence and great learning to be that goofy. Compare Velikovsky or John Allegro ("Sacred Mushroom and the Cross").

    Yes, but it takes high intelligence and great learning to be that goofy. Compare Velikovsky or John Allegro (“Sacred Mushroom and the Cross”).

    Oh, God.Worlds in Collision ……yeesh.Venus is a comet that was expelled from Jupiter.That might have been even funnier than Bernal.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Another guy I forgot to mention: Robert Graves. His Greek Myths is tremendous, very learned, has all the apparatus, but also goes off the rails with speculation. Same could be said for Julian Jaynes.

    As you might have guessed, I like reading this type of literature. Sometimes they will make critical basic errors, but normally what usually happens is that they have an intuition of what truth is and then assemble a vast interdisciplinary library to justify said intuition. Of course, on one level, it's a foregone conclusion that they will be wrong. But I enjoy reading it because it is at least an attempt to pull many different threads together, it obviously requires a fine mind to do so, and I always learn something new in the process.
  242. @SPMoore8
    I like that expression "crypto-blacks".

    I've changed my feelings about it over the years. When I discovered the field in the '60's, I thought it was great, or at least, very interesting, the whole "Hannibal, great general, but he was black" sort of thing. So, back then, I used to think that it was a good thing, because it fostered self-esteem. Really, it's no different than saying that having a black POTUS will inspire a generation of black youth, etc.

    As I got older, say, 30, I had encountered enough ethnic politics among Europeans, and European Jews, and Blacks, to decide that I was heartily sick of the whole matter and that nationalist pandering is not only false but also needlessly inflating, inflammatory, polarizing, and so on.

    But I still follow the field because I know something about it. That is why I referenced the Afrocentric thing, made most famous in the '80's and '90's by Bernal's Black Athena project. I followed that with amusement, not because I think Bernal was correct, but because I admired his erudition and his general crankiness. However, while many AA and pro-AA scholars loved his stuff, I couldn't help but notice that most of his harshest critics were Jewish. That, too, points to the idea that there is no greater sickness than excessive nationalism.

    Nowadays, I look at it strictly from a practical POV. I have actually known blacks who got interested in German culture via Dubois, and Jews who overcame their trained hatred of Wagner by the crypto-Jewish hypothesis. It's a primitive way to forge cultural links, but it is better than no links at all.

    Here’s something I’ve wondered about. Afrocentric schools & curricula have now existed for decades. Someone should test them by a rigorous study. Do the results of graduates of those schools (their heads stuffed with readings about great Black Egyptians and how the white man “stole” knowledge from blacks, etc) surpass the results of black students subjected to “normal” education in any measurable way? In short, do Afrocentric schools get results?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Probably not, because they are getting the self-esteem but not the knowledge that was "stolen."

    I referenced Langston Hughes earlier today and IIRC he has a poem which references the conspiracy theory that the head of Nefertiti discovered about a hundred years ago was altered by the Germans who discovered it to make it appear more "Caucasian." The claim is bogus, but that's not why I like the theory. In order to propound the theory, someone has to know more than a little about Egyptian history and modern archaeology. So if a "Black Suppression" thesis is what is required to force some guy to read some books and actually learn some things, I am actually OK with it.

    What's frustrating about Bernal and Afrocentrism is that there's a kernel of truth to it. That is, most of our civilization and our traditional commentary on our civilization tends to argue that the Ancient Greeks emerged more or less on their own, with no other inputs until Christianity brought in the Semitic legacy. But more recent archaeological and linguistic scholarship (last century or so) suggests that there were vestiges of Egyptian, Assyrian, and even Indian civilization in Greek (and later Roman) civilization. I think this is a fascinating idea that unfortunately breaks down into ethnic cheerleading way too often but is still worth exploring.
    , @Anonymous
    If one properly accounts for stereotype threat and the structural racism inherent in the concept of testing then yes, the results are spectacular.
  243. @syonredux

    Yes, but it takes high intelligence and great learning to be that goofy. Compare Velikovsky or John Allegro (“Sacred Mushroom and the Cross”).
     
    Oh, God.Worlds in Collision ......yeesh.Venus is a comet that was expelled from Jupiter.That might have been even funnier than Bernal.

    Another guy I forgot to mention: Robert Graves. His Greek Myths is tremendous, very learned, has all the apparatus, but also goes off the rails with speculation. Same could be said for Julian Jaynes.

    As you might have guessed, I like reading this type of literature. Sometimes they will make critical basic errors, but normally what usually happens is that they have an intuition of what truth is and then assemble a vast interdisciplinary library to justify said intuition. Of course, on one level, it’s a foregone conclusion that they will be wrong. But I enjoy reading it because it is at least an attempt to pull many different threads together, it obviously requires a fine mind to do so, and I always learn something new in the process.

  244. Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too.

    Because the combination of his commie grandparents and Frank Marshal Davis taught him to (not) believe it.

    Not sure which of your two versions to respond to (for posterity and all).

    • Replies: @Kylie

    "Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too."

    Because the combination of his commie grandparents and Frank Marshal Davis taught him to (not) believe it.
     
    So, it's the fault of white people? (Davis wasn't white but he gets a free pass b/c well, he wasn't white.)

    Funny guy.
  245. @Anonymous
    I have worked security at a museum and was mainly there to prevent art thieves from sticking around at end of day. I worked security at rap show and was injured in melee. I was fullback on football team and was not smart enough to write code.

    Use your muscles to score a hot Asian girl;have a son who will be a bit tough while still being able to code.Or get a black girl and try for an athlete.Albeit one who can’t code for sure…

    • Replies: @Truth

    Albeit one who can’t code for sure…
     
    Isn't that what we all dream about for our sons; a forty year career of angst, staring at a computer screen trying to discern where he inserted a coma instead of a semicolon?
  246. @peterike
    I'm always amused by the Magical Fairy Dust theory of Culture. Namely, that if we can only drag the NAMs to museums often enough, they will all grow up to write art criticism for The New Yorker. I'm old enough to remember when this same Fairy Dust was thrown at tough ethnic white kids, who also couldn't care less about it, but at least you could keep them more or less in line when you bored them to death with several hours at the Metropolitan Museum. (Hell, those kids were bored to death at Natural History looking at the dinosaur bones.)

    The fact is that most people of every race couldn't care less about "culture" and prefer various modes of pop junk. What makes everyone wet their pants is that of the small sub-group that does care about culture, it's 90% white and 8% Asian and 2% NAM. So yeah, museums are "white spaces" full of "white bodies." You know what? So are Woody Allen movies. Or, to update that genre, Noah Baumbach movies.

    This is all amplified in the media because the biggest culture vultures of all are Jews, so they are constantly at museums, the opera, theater, etc. looking around and thinking, with despair, "where are all the black people?" Then they go write about it on Slate and blame whitey.

    Re white spaces:You forgot blues clubs!

  247. @Observer
    Here's something I've wondered about. Afrocentric schools & curricula have now existed for decades. Someone should test them by a rigorous study. Do the results of graduates of those schools (their heads stuffed with readings about great Black Egyptians and how the white man "stole" knowledge from blacks, etc) surpass the results of black students subjected to "normal" education in any measurable way? In short, do Afrocentric schools get results?

    Probably not, because they are getting the self-esteem but not the knowledge that was “stolen.”

    I referenced Langston Hughes earlier today and IIRC he has a poem which references the conspiracy theory that the head of Nefertiti discovered about a hundred years ago was altered by the Germans who discovered it to make it appear more “Caucasian.” The claim is bogus, but that’s not why I like the theory. In order to propound the theory, someone has to know more than a little about Egyptian history and modern archaeology. So if a “Black Suppression” thesis is what is required to force some guy to read some books and actually learn some things, I am actually OK with it.

    What’s frustrating about Bernal and Afrocentrism is that there’s a kernel of truth to it. That is, most of our civilization and our traditional commentary on our civilization tends to argue that the Ancient Greeks emerged more or less on their own, with no other inputs until Christianity brought in the Semitic legacy. But more recent archaeological and linguistic scholarship (last century or so) suggests that there were vestiges of Egyptian, Assyrian, and even Indian civilization in Greek (and later Roman) civilization. I think this is a fascinating idea that unfortunately breaks down into ethnic cheerleading way too often but is still worth exploring.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    What’s frustrating about Bernal and Afrocentrism is that there’s a kernel of truth to it. That is, most of our civilization and our traditional commentary on our civilization tends to argue that the Ancient Greeks emerged more or less on their own, with no other inputs until Christianity brought in the Semitic legacy.But more recent archaeological and linguistic scholarship (last century or so)
     
    The key phrase being "the last century or so." Meaning that you are talking about a paradigm that has been dead for 100 years.Heck, when I was a boy in the 1980s, I read some popular history books about ancient Greece that were written in the '50s. They spent several pages talking about how the Greek alphabet was adapted from the Phoenician, how early Greek art was influenced by Egypt, etc

    I think this is a fascinating idea that unfortunately breaks down into ethnic cheerleading way too often but is still worth exploring.
     
    I has been explored.In great detail.
  248. @SPMoore8
    I've noticed the decline in baseball participation also by AA's, and it's hard not to notice if you became a baseball fan in the 1960's, where there were many black baseball stars.

    I think the short answer is that blacks were over-represented in the '60's and are under-represented now.

    MLB keeps trying to fix it by trying to initiate inner city baseball programs, I don't know what the results have been. The attempt to increase black participation on the field and at the box office is also what lies behind the canonization of Jackie Robinson, such that no one is allowed to wear the sacred uniform number 42, except on some selected day of the season (e.g., the anniversary when Jackie first stepped to the plate) when everyone is supposed to wear number 42. I mean, it is ridiculous.

    On the other hand, the NFL is 3/4 black nowadays and I haven't noticed a corresponding increase in black people in the stands. I guess family season tickets passed down from generation to generation is the last bastion of white privilege.

    However, pro sports in the United States seems always willing to pander to ethnic/racial/political interests, witness the numerous ethnic nights at the ballpark, or the pimping out of all NFL players in pink in October for Breast Cancer Awareness. We've come a long way from Super Bowl 15, where there was some controversy about the players wearing tiny yellow bits of tape on the backs of their helmets (for the hostages in Iran.)

    One can guess where this ethos of "inclusion is good because $$$" will lead next, but I'm just an observer, watching it happen.

    I think the short answer is that blacks were over-represented in the ’60′s and are under-represented now.

    How can any group be under or over represented in any sport? It is up to the indivudual’s own inate talent and work ethic to make it to the big leagues in any sport. Young blacks are not putting their time and energy into baseball. That is what is happening. Even Bo Jackson was only a 250 hitter. He could hit long home runs and was an amazing fielder but was never going to make it to Cooperstown unless he ditched football. Once he was injured, his baseball career was also effectively over.

    The Latins have been putting major effort into getting into pro-baseball with some teams even sponsoring development programs in places like the Dominican Republic.

  249. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Andrew Ryan
    @Jack D

    Blacks also will not be seen in large numbers in museums in Philadelphia. However, I went to the zoo this past weekend and the place was packed with them. Since it cost my family of 4 nearly $100 just to park and get in the door I assume there is a program out there giving them free tickets.

    For what it’s worth: on a recent visit to the Philadelphia Museum of Art (and the Rodin Museum) I noticed that ~90% of the guards were Black. They probably felt unwelcomed and I (a person of great – almost glowing – paleness) was too privileged to notice. So I suppose I microäggrieved many on my visit. I did note that I was not asked to check my invisible knapsack.

    Sidebar: Why are those Marcel Duchamps there (within a 100 yards of where Rocky raised his fists) got to be a great backstory.

  250. @SPMoore8
    I don’t think any African country developed an atomic program.

    Well, South Africa did. I suppose people are looking over their shoulder on that one.

    I don’t doubt or deny that there are brilliant Africans, as you are emphasizing. The Devil is in the details, however. And in this case, the Devil is population-level IQ. Not individual actors.

    Anyway, I’ve always been curious if the South African nuclear scientists were Africans or Europeans. It is a historic detail of which I am admittedly ignorant. Do you know?

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I do not know, but I would expect that most of the nuclear scientists active in South Africa were white.

    Believe it or not, I am not actually trying to pretend that Africans, grosso modo, are as intelligent as whites. I tend to go with the conventional wisdom that they are not.

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA's to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don't think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way. There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there. But every time someone says something along the lines of "Oh, black folks would never go to a museum" it's the kind of blanket pronouncement that makes blacks who are attempting to be ordinary Americans check their skin tone. They shouldn't have to do that.

    I am not black, but, if I had a mixed race grandson, I would teach him to follow in my family's traditions. And if I ever heard him express the kind of opinion about Europe that our president did, he would get the sternest lecture of his life.
    , @PV van der Byl
    All were legally white as per National Party criteria 1948-1993.

    That said, no real Afrikaner (roots in SA going back before 1750) was of 100% European ancestry.

    The architects of apartheid recognized this and determination of white status did not depend on a one-drop rule. With no fanfare, the government in the early 1950s adopted a policy of recognizing people as legally white if their non-European ancestry was not more than 5% and if their families were regarded as white by other whites.

    Serious Afrikaner scholars have concluded that the mean average non-European ancestry of the Afrikaner population was actually a bit over 5%.

    The SA bomb project also involved a good number of English speaking whites and, according to rumour, one or two people with relatives in an eastern Mediterranean nation with a reputation for expertise in nuclear physics. Of course, all those people were legally white as per SA policy in those years.
  251. @syonredux
    RE: Huge paintings,

    I was never terribly impressed by Albert Bierstadt's landscapes, until I had a chance to see some of them in person.Sublime.

    Indeed.

    Swiss Americans should be very proud.

  252. @Observer
    Here's something I've wondered about. Afrocentric schools & curricula have now existed for decades. Someone should test them by a rigorous study. Do the results of graduates of those schools (their heads stuffed with readings about great Black Egyptians and how the white man "stole" knowledge from blacks, etc) surpass the results of black students subjected to "normal" education in any measurable way? In short, do Afrocentric schools get results?

    If one properly accounts for stereotype threat and the structural racism inherent in the concept of testing then yes, the results are spectacular.

  253. “Obama’s sin, using this line of logic, is that he failed to undo the system of oppression that he had no hand in constructing”

    Yes, the wonderful logic that dictates that being born a white male in the 1980s makes me culpable for anything that happened to black people globally in the 1600s or any time since then. Or that even though it is blacks in reality who receive privileged treatment in 2015 (or any other point during my lifetime that I am aware of), that we must pretend that I am receiving the privilege since I accomplished more in my life than the average black.

  254. @SPMoore8
    Okay, my son would call me a racist on this but: Baseball is a long learning curve. It's also a very intellectual game, sort of like chess with bats. That's one of the reasons why I like the game; you don't have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late '20's (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It's like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that's the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it's a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late ’20′s (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It’s like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that’s the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it’s a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.

    Baseball is economically a better investment than basketball or football. Even mediocre players can usually play in the minor leagues and earn some cash and small time fame. For football and basketball, it’s essentially the end of the road if you don’t get drafted.

    Also, baseball is less brutal on your body. So you can walk away from your baseball career with your health in tact. Less true for basketball and generally not true for football.

    The odds of a high school player going pro are higher in baseball than in basketball or football.

  255. @Flinders Petrie
    I don't doubt or deny that there are brilliant Africans, as you are emphasizing. The Devil is in the details, however. And in this case, the Devil is population-level IQ. Not individual actors.

    Anyway, I've always been curious if the South African nuclear scientists were Africans or Europeans. It is a historic detail of which I am admittedly ignorant. Do you know?

    I do not know, but I would expect that most of the nuclear scientists active in South Africa were white.

    Believe it or not, I am not actually trying to pretend that Africans, grosso modo, are as intelligent as whites. I tend to go with the conventional wisdom that they are not.

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA’s to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don’t think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way. There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there. But every time someone says something along the lines of “Oh, black folks would never go to a museum” it’s the kind of blanket pronouncement that makes blacks who are attempting to be ordinary Americans check their skin tone. They shouldn’t have to do that.

    I am not black, but, if I had a mixed race grandson, I would teach him to follow in my family’s traditions. And if I ever heard him express the kind of opinion about Europe that our president did, he would get the sternest lecture of his life.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there.
     
    Well said. The fact that blacks and whites both for whom that second sentence applies are invisible to so many whites, especially the few with all the privilege, is the root of the problem.

    It is the nature of normal distributions and standard deviations that a lot higher proportion of regular blacks than one would think fall into that category.
    , @Flinders Petrie

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA’s to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don’t think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way.
     
    I definitely agree with you.

    From personal experience, it's too easy to become resentful after coming to terms with the fact that, all your life, you've been duped about race. Race and IQ explains so much of the world; a reality which most people spend vast amounts of energy tying themselves into knots trying to avoid acknowledging. After coming to terms with this reality, it is simultaneously refreshing (not in a mean-spirited sort of way, but rather in a harmonious, natural way), as well as infuriating, when it seems like the whole world refuses to notice what is painfully obvious, and instead obfuscates with laughably bogus theories which misplace the blame squarely on you. Add to the frustration the fact that if you misstep even slightly and speak the truth too loudly, you risk becoming ostracized.

    So I think there is a tendency to vent this frustration on forums such as these, among others who also see reality clearly, and when there is at least a semblance of anonymity. This venting can become particularly ugly at other forums, which is why I come here to be among comparatively high-browed conversationalists.

    Still, it is easy to get carried away, even here, so your voice of moderation and compassion is appreciated.
    , @Kylie

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA’s to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don’t think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way. There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture.
     
    You're preaching to the choir here.

    The most brilliant man I've ever known was a black man. We shared many values and interests (yes, including Western classical music) and looking back, he was the one man who might well have been my soul mate. But by the time I knew him when he was in his 30's, he already had a host of obesity-related problems (he was pushing 500 lbs), one of which killed him a few short years later.

    Yes, there are multitudinous bad actors who are black. But my observation and experience has been there are not plenty of black people who are educated and sincerely involved in white culture. (Plenty of them are involved in our common culture which grows increasingly ugly and debased every year.)
  256. @Flinders Petrie
    I don't doubt or deny that there are brilliant Africans, as you are emphasizing. The Devil is in the details, however. And in this case, the Devil is population-level IQ. Not individual actors.

    Anyway, I've always been curious if the South African nuclear scientists were Africans or Europeans. It is a historic detail of which I am admittedly ignorant. Do you know?

    All were legally white as per National Party criteria 1948-1993.

    That said, no real Afrikaner (roots in SA going back before 1750) was of 100% European ancestry.

    The architects of apartheid recognized this and determination of white status did not depend on a one-drop rule. With no fanfare, the government in the early 1950s adopted a policy of recognizing people as legally white if their non-European ancestry was not more than 5% and if their families were regarded as white by other whites.

    Serious Afrikaner scholars have concluded that the mean average non-European ancestry of the Afrikaner population was actually a bit over 5%.

    The SA bomb project also involved a good number of English speaking whites and, according to rumour, one or two people with relatives in an eastern Mediterranean nation with a reputation for expertise in nuclear physics. Of course, all those people were legally white as per SA policy in those years.

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie

    All were legally white as per National Party criteria 1948-1993.

     

    Ah, that makes sense, given the time period; many thanks.

    Very interesting topic; I had also heard about the Israel rumors, involving possible test detonations somewhere around the Prince Edward islands.
  257. I think the answer to the question posed in the headline is 2003. That’s about when hip hop ran out of steam. From 2004 onward it has been Kanye and Jay Z aspiring to be invited to Paris runway shows and a bunch of interchangeable spare parts. Hip hop culture was the last significant (for better or, c’mon, worse) African American contribution to the culture. And it stopped inventing itself right after the turn of the century. It’s coasting/eating its tail now.

    The early 2000s is also when it became readily apparent that Hispanics were going to swamp African Americans in the long run.

    The leaders of “the community” read the tea leaves and dialed up a whole new level of mopey victimhood. Once America was tired of paying attention to it’s shiny new wars, and domestic policy drifted back to the fore in time for the 2008 election the new narrative was firmly in place.

    So… 2003 in hindsight. And certainly by 2007 everyone felt their ossification.

  258. @SPMoore8
    And you think that they are not?

    No, I don't think they are, when the overriding assumption expressed here is that no one with any African ancestry can ever make a meaningful contribution to Western Civilization. That guarantees a permanent underclass, too.

    I mean, the overall theme of this article was that AA's were not interested in museums, the opera, concerts, etc. That's true. (It's also true of most white people.) Michelle Obama was complaining about it because blacks were not "welcome". I disputed that, and said that the problem was that black people don't see "our" high culture as theirs; and when people like Michelle Obama talk about "inclusion" what they really mean is that they want a concert oratorio, music by Wagner, words by Tupac Shakur. I assume we don't disagree on that point.

    I also said that inclusion on that level is not the way to go about doing it.

    The general reply has been along the lines that "black people" in general were too "something" to appreciate these things. I don't think generalizations like that accomplish anything, except to help insure that black folks never assimilate to white culture (although, of course, many have) and I am criticizing statements of that kind.

    Washington D.C. is loaded with free museums. They are full to brimming most weekends, and busy even during the week. I noticed back in the 70s, almost all the visitors were white or of various Asian nationalities. I mentioned this to my friend and he said something to the effect that “they are not really part of this culture.” The Asians didn’t seem to mind. I visit museums devoted to the arts of other cultures.
    Actually most whites are interested in museums, especially history and nature. And there’s nothing specifically “racial” about the the Museum of Natural History. I have heard that even black-themed museums do not do well. I guess museum-going is just not in their culture, except for being dragged to one on a grade-school class trip.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    I have had similar experiences in U.S. national parks such as Yellowstone and Grand Teton.

    The visitors are predominantly white with a significant minority of Asians (especially Japanese and Japanese-Americans). But hispanics are not especially numerous and blacks are quite uncommon. On any single trip to Yellowstone, I think I could count all the blacks I saw on the fingers of one hand.

    Is someone trying to keep blacks out of the national parks, too?
  259. @jon
    "Big brother was a star on the Tigers basketball team when Michelle applied to Old Nassau (80-81 school year) and he went on to become two-time Ivy League Player of the Year for the 1981–1982 and 1982–1983 seasons."

    I've often thought that the potential for athleticism in his offspring (implied by the brother's success) was a major motivation for Obama marrying her. After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was.

    Two daughters put an end to that dream.

    “After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was.”

    Good grief. Are they still thought to be a traditional married couple?
    Did Joan Rivers die for nothing?

    • Replies: @Truth

    Good grief. Are they still thought to be a traditional married couple?
    Did Joan Rivers die for nothing?
     
    Done better than having a wife who cajoled/inspired/hectored him into the most powerful job on the planet?
  260. @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too.

    Because the combination of his commie grandparents and Frank Marshal Davis taught him to (not) believe it.


    Not sure which of your two versions to respond to (for posterity and all).

    “Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too.”

    Because the combination of his commie grandparents and Frank Marshal Davis taught him to (not) believe it.

    So, it’s the fault of white people? (Davis wasn’t white but he gets a free pass b/c well, he wasn’t white.)

    Funny guy.

    • Replies: @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    So, it’s the fault of white people?

    It's entirely possible that some people (with different distribution curves amongst the races) are incapable of seeing the superiority of one thing over another (eg. Western Art).

    There also the cultural marxists (largely led by the Eskimos).

    Blacks themselves obviously have a large voice in the own community.

    And a lot of people who don't know any better (or are actively hateful and nihilistic).

    So, what does that give us ....?

    25% biological, 25% marxist, 25% black identity nonsense, 25% hippy-dippy liberals.

    What we call a WAG in the sciences.

  261. @Threecranes
    And just how did the conniving white men contrive to deliver those blankets without themselves becoming infected? Were they wearing hazmat suits? Gasmasks? Oh wait, couldn't have been gas masks because they were invented by some black man in the 20th century. Right?

    Think, son. Think.

    I have read a pretty good debunking of the “infected blanket” story. There were also infected blanket stories circulating that involved Indian to white, and Indian to Indian.

  262. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Hasidism is kind of a cultural adaptation for not feeling compassion for anybody outside of the in-group. It makes people better at business.

    This is what Abram Leon (1918-1944) recognized. Leon explained that economic functions were central to what the Jews were in Eastern Europe. His Jewish Question: A Marxist Interpretation has not been surpassed, to my knowledge. Not because it couldn’t be updated and deepened — Leon was writing under poor conditions, not long before his murder at the hands of the Nazis, it’s short, and old. But the theory is spot-on.
    No one’s picked off where he left off. The people who write about Jews and Money are either (rarely) a little too PC or (often) a little too anti-Semetic. Besides, Leon’s framework was orthodox Marxist — and orthodox Trotskyst at that. These days, that tradition is weak. Aside from the WSWS, every “Marxist” is a post- this, cultural- that, revisionist- this. So no one has topped Leon. He kind of builds on Trotsky’s ephemera on Jews in the rise and decline of capitalism, really.
    Leon didn’t really talk about North African Jews, or their economic roles. So that’s for another book, one Leon didn’t live to write.

    Read it on: https://www.marxists.org/subject/jewish/leon/
    It’s short. It’s brilliant.

  263. @dcite
    Washington D.C. is loaded with free museums. They are full to brimming most weekends, and busy even during the week. I noticed back in the 70s, almost all the visitors were white or of various Asian nationalities. I mentioned this to my friend and he said something to the effect that "they are not really part of this culture." The Asians didn't seem to mind. I visit museums devoted to the arts of other cultures.
    Actually most whites are interested in museums, especially history and nature. And there's nothing specifically "racial" about the the Museum of Natural History. I have heard that even black-themed museums do not do well. I guess museum-going is just not in their culture, except for being dragged to one on a grade-school class trip.

    I have had similar experiences in U.S. national parks such as Yellowstone and Grand Teton.

    The visitors are predominantly white with a significant minority of Asians (especially Japanese and Japanese-Americans). But hispanics are not especially numerous and blacks are quite uncommon. On any single trip to Yellowstone, I think I could count all the blacks I saw on the fingers of one hand.

    Is someone trying to keep blacks out of the national parks, too?

  264. @Kylie

    "Obama is half white and he doesn’t believe white culture is his, too."

    Because the combination of his commie grandparents and Frank Marshal Davis taught him to (not) believe it.
     
    So, it's the fault of white people? (Davis wasn't white but he gets a free pass b/c well, he wasn't white.)

    Funny guy.

    So, it’s the fault of white people?

    It’s entirely possible that some people (with different distribution curves amongst the races) are incapable of seeing the superiority of one thing over another (eg. Western Art).

    There also the cultural marxists (largely led by the Eskimos).

    Blacks themselves obviously have a large voice in the own community.

    And a lot of people who don’t know any better (or are actively hateful and nihilistic).

    So, what does that give us ….?

    25% biological, 25% marxist, 25% black identity nonsense, 25% hippy-dippy liberals.

    What we call a WAG in the sciences.

  265. @Mike Sylwester
    According to the Pew Research Center:

    In the year 2013, 82% of Blacks and 76% of Whites read at least one book.

    In the year 2013, the mean number of books read by Blacks was 12 and by Whites was 13.

    In the year 2013, the median number of books ready by Blacks was 4 and by Whites was 5.

    http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/01/16/a-snapshot-of-reading-in-america-in-2013/

    That's not a big racial difference in the quantity of reading. Maybe there's a big difference in the quality of reading. (And maybe people lie about how much they read.)

    I suppose, though, that the people who visit museums are generally people who read a lot more than a book a month. I would guess that museum visitors read on the order of a book a week, and they read largely non-fiction.

    People who have not developed much intellectual context in history, science and art do not appreciate museum exhibits much.

    I’m sure that Pew is conflating whites and hispanics, and probably lying about the black numbers…since American blacks have an average IQ of 85, claiming they read almost as many books as those with IQ 100+ is pretty preposterous…

    • Replies: @Truth

    I’m sure that Pew is conflating whites and hispanics, and probably lying about the black numbers…
     
    It's funny, I don't get why other don't get it, there's an easy way to tell when a foundation is lying; when you don't agree with them.
  266. @Jack D

    They [blacks] need to know that our culture is theirs, too.
     
    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Our public institutions have been open to blacks for 50+ years now. Not only are blacks not turned away, institutions are dying for them to come - universities relax admission standards for them, there are all kinds of cultural programs in the schools, etc. Most museum and arts administrators (themselves ultra-liberal) would give their eyeteeth to have a larger % of minority clientele (provided that they did not loot the place). Discrimination exists mostly in the history books and in the fever dreams of liberals.

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever. In the past, many blacks listened to the same popular music as whites, wore the same clothes, gave their kids the same names, etc. But the self chosen trend among blacks is to separate their tastes from white tastes more and more. Whites are interested in black popular music and fashion trends, but blacks have not the slightest interest in most white artists.

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever.

    Desperation is never attractive. If the broader culture can get its shit back together and quit pandering to blacks (and everyone else) like a two-bit whore, they’ll come back.

    • Replies: @Truth

    Desperation is never attractive. If the broader culture can get its shit back together and quit pandering to blacks (and everyone else) like a two-bit whore, they’ll come
     
    B+ Sir. Not bad.
  267. @SPMoore8
    I do not know, but I would expect that most of the nuclear scientists active in South Africa were white.

    Believe it or not, I am not actually trying to pretend that Africans, grosso modo, are as intelligent as whites. I tend to go with the conventional wisdom that they are not.

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA's to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don't think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way. There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there. But every time someone says something along the lines of "Oh, black folks would never go to a museum" it's the kind of blanket pronouncement that makes blacks who are attempting to be ordinary Americans check their skin tone. They shouldn't have to do that.

    I am not black, but, if I had a mixed race grandson, I would teach him to follow in my family's traditions. And if I ever heard him express the kind of opinion about Europe that our president did, he would get the sternest lecture of his life.

    There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there.

    Well said. The fact that blacks and whites both for whom that second sentence applies are invisible to so many whites, especially the few with all the privilege, is the root of the problem.

    It is the nature of normal distributions and standard deviations that a lot higher proportion of regular blacks than one would think fall into that category.

    • Replies: @Jonah
    You're right that "they're out there" but how many of them are there? The number of educated black people involved with the common culture isn't significant. 4.6 million have a college degree. There are more people living in Kentucky.

    I don't think about anyone living in Kentucky and I am not poorer for it.

    The media puts educated black people in front of me every 9.2 seconds. I promise you : they aren't overlooked.
  268. @Desiderius

    There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there.
     
    Well said. The fact that blacks and whites both for whom that second sentence applies are invisible to so many whites, especially the few with all the privilege, is the root of the problem.

    It is the nature of normal distributions and standard deviations that a lot higher proportion of regular blacks than one would think fall into that category.

    You’re right that “they’re out there” but how many of them are there? The number of educated black people involved with the common culture isn’t significant. 4.6 million have a college degree. There are more people living in Kentucky.

    I don’t think about anyone living in Kentucky and I am not poorer for it.

    The media puts educated black people in front of me every 9.2 seconds. I promise you : they aren’t overlooked.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    The media puts educated black people in front of me every 9.2 seconds. I promise you : they aren’t overlooked.
     
    9.2? C'mon, man, it's way more often than that.

    You're missing my point. All that counts for the media are educated anyone, black or white, instead of the regular people who keep the country going. Due to the nature of normal distributions, there are way fewer actually educated blacks than even most "realistic" people think there are, and of course the propaganda in the media (and the schools) is so far off no one takes it seriously anymore.

    There are, however, a lot more blacks among those regular people than is commonly understood, and that's largely due to the media (and schools) totally ignoring those people as a class. Huge bias for abstract thinkers over concrete doers.
  269. @syonredux

    It’s worth recalling that the “one drop rule” wasn’t created by blacks.
     
    Although they are, at present, the leading proponents of it:

    Halle Berry said she is in a war of words with her ex-partner, Gabriel Aubry, about their daughter’s racial identity.

    Berry, 44, is the daughter of a white mother, who was a psychiatric nurse, and a black father, who was a hospital attendant in the same ward. Aubry is French-Canadian and white.

    The couple is in the middle of a bitter custody battle over their 2-year-old girl, Nahla.

    “I feel she’s black. I’m black and I’m her mother, and I believe in the one-drop theory,” Berry said in an interview with Ebony magazine.

     

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/halle-berry-cites-drop-rule-daughter-black-white/story?id=12869789

    Although they are, at present, the leading proponents of it:

    What other choice do black people have? Either the people with the power invite into their money, clubs, and daughter’s wombs, or they don’t, and if they don’t what are your other options?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    It's all about asabiyya, dear fellow.Black power is all about numbers.Hence, their fetish for hypodescent. They will support anything that maximizes Black numbers.Why, I seem to recall that Blacks were up in arms over the "multi-racial" category in census forms, until they were assured that anyone who marked Black as part of their multi-racial status would be added to the Black category.
  270. @SPMoore8
    Okay, my son would call me a racist on this but: Baseball is a long learning curve. It's also a very intellectual game, sort of like chess with bats. That's one of the reasons why I like the game; you don't have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late '20's (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It's like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that's the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it's a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.

    That’s one of the reasons why I like the game; you don’t have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.

    Both football and basketball are much more intellectual than baseball; evidence? When was the last time you’ve seen a baseball team with a playbook.

    You see a ball coming, you hit it or you catch it, then you run or throw it. That’s the essence of baseball. Of course there is strategy, but it pales in comparison to a modern NBA offense. I would not even compare it to an NFL offense.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Intellectual fans like to think their favorite sport requires lots of smarts. Even interviews with the average player aren't enough to disabuse them of that.
    , @Brutusale
    Please. You demonstrate your ignorance of the game.

    Pregame, there's always a meeting for the manager, coaching staff and starting battery to go over the opposing lineup and, given the current hot or cold streaks, the minor injuries (is he "nicked up"?), history against the pitcher, etc. The coaching staff always checks with the catcher after the bullpen warmups to see how the pitcher's stuff is, and decide on a strategy accordingly.

    Where's the defense set up? Are the fielders playing in the same position when the pitcher is throwing gas inside as opposed to cheese on the outside corner? Is there anyone on? How's the pitcher's slide step? Does it take a few miles an hour off his fastball, causing the shortstop to cheat to his right? What's the score? What inning is it? Playing to get two or to cut down the lead runner? Where am I going with a ball hit to my left as opposed to one hit to my right?

    As a former hitter of some talent, I describe hitting as being similar to shooting a basketball; there are days you're hot and the ball looks huge and days you're not and it seems to disappear as you swing. There are great pitchers you hit like crazy and bums you can't get a loud foul off of.

    Troofie, you remind me of the story of the casual fan going to his first baseball game. The home team's pitcher brought a no-hitter into the 9th inning, whereupon he gave up a two-out single. After he retired the next batter to end the game, Casual Fan remarked that it was a good thing that guy got the hit, because otherwise he wouldn't have seen anything!

    Dan Jenkins is a hater of all things baseball, but even he admits that a 5-tool baseball player is probably the most versatile in all sports.

  271. @Father O'Hara
    Use your muscles to score a hot Asian girl;have a son who will be a bit tough while still being able to code.Or get a black girl and try for an athlete.Albeit one who can't code for sure...

    Albeit one who can’t code for sure…

    Isn’t that what we all dream about for our sons; a forty year career of angst, staring at a computer screen trying to discern where he inserted a coma instead of a semicolon?

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    I for one really enjoy your comments Truth.Just sayin'...
  272. @dcite

    "After all, Obama clearly could have done better, and he seems to fancy himself the athlete that he obviously never was."
     
    Good grief. Are they still thought to be a traditional married couple?
    Did Joan Rivers die for nothing?

    Good grief. Are they still thought to be a traditional married couple?
    Did Joan Rivers die for nothing?

    Done better than having a wife who cajoled/inspired/hectored him into the most powerful job on the planet?

  273. @Desiderius

    Yet most American Blacks have less interest now in the broader American culture than ever.
     
    Desperation is never attractive. If the broader culture can get its shit back together and quit pandering to blacks (and everyone else) like a two-bit whore, they'll come back.

    Desperation is never attractive. If the broader culture can get its shit back together and quit pandering to blacks (and everyone else) like a two-bit whore, they’ll come

    B+ Sir. Not bad.

  274. @Jonah
    You're right that "they're out there" but how many of them are there? The number of educated black people involved with the common culture isn't significant. 4.6 million have a college degree. There are more people living in Kentucky.

    I don't think about anyone living in Kentucky and I am not poorer for it.

    The media puts educated black people in front of me every 9.2 seconds. I promise you : they aren't overlooked.

    The media puts educated black people in front of me every 9.2 seconds. I promise you : they aren’t overlooked.

    9.2? C’mon, man, it’s way more often than that.

    You’re missing my point. All that counts for the media are educated anyone, black or white, instead of the regular people who keep the country going. Due to the nature of normal distributions, there are way fewer actually educated blacks than even most “realistic” people think there are, and of course the propaganda in the media (and the schools) is so far off no one takes it seriously anymore.

    There are, however, a lot more blacks among those regular people than is commonly understood, and that’s largely due to the media (and schools) totally ignoring those people as a class. Huge bias for abstract thinkers over concrete doers.

  275. FLOTUS is pushing 60 and at some dim level realizes that all Affirmative Action got her was an ever-increasing chasm between who she actually is, and the life she covets and envies (that of well-off, truly educated, high-IQ whites of solid genome). After all, the alpha females among whose number she is not included do NOT have as a life strategy accessing political and social power through bearding a liar in his din.

    She’s also thoroughly clueless about what inner city groidlets like and care about. In the mostly black city where I grew up, the black kids only went to the museums when they were lugged there at taxpayer expense to get something free. Giveaway days. Then about 4 in 5 tried to shoplift things from the museum stores/cafes, steal from other patrons, or vandalize things. They didn’t care about museums, they were loud and disorderly, they were destructive, they had no respect for anything, and they ruined it for everyone around them. I hear from teacher friends back there that they’re still like this. No wonder people don’t want them around and are tired of pretending otherwise.

    If they don’t go to a “Black History” museum because of extreme disinterest IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE, ignoring for the moment that “their people” is a construct of certain elites, then imagine how much less interested they are in Durer, Caravaggio, El Greco, David, Breughel, etc.

    My city spent ALL its state-seized kid-sitting money on the groidlets. The brighter fraction of black kids got treated as though they were the next Richard Feynmann even though barely as smart as sub average white kids. Few had drive or imagination. A few seemed to have good genes, but weren’t very creative. Those were destined for affirmative action to rocket them into IKAGO status via a government job. Then they moved out to the suburbs.

    Most of them were dim, destructive, noisy, and disinterested in anything social such as learning or culture. Yet they were given playground programs, park programs, school programs, food programs, drama programs, dance programs, art programs, music programs, media programs, program programs.

    They didn’t care about those either. They wanted to fight, and by age 11 cared only about sex, booze and drugs, and money. And bakkabo (with the NBA as the dreamed of path to sex, booze, drugs, and money).

    Regarding temples of high Euro-American culture, FLOTUS would like to see it all torn down. She has told us as much. Why should we be surprised? She is too mediocre to understand western civilization and culture and its great minds and history.

    Can you imagine Michelle Obama being able to articulate spontaneously the importance of phi—the Golden Ratio—in painting and architecture? The contributions of Simonides to Renaissance mnemotechnic systems? The history of the English language, or Elizabethan historical poetry, Roman Britain, the Grail cycle, Old English kennings, or Old Norse sagas?

    Can you imagine her identifying with the people who labored to create algebra, trigonometry, the calculus, or who painstakingly mapped the known world and its creatures? Can you imagine her being able to discuss ANYTHING in the Principia Mathematica or even Euclid?

    No. She has a field mule’s body, a tiny mimicky mind, and the tribal queen’s shrill demand that we all reduce our horizons to her compass…as well as worship our era’s saints: ghetto sprogs.

    BTW, no child of promise thinks “That place isn’t for me.” Children of promise—of any race or class—think: “I will transcend all obstacles to achieve my dreams. I have a vision and a goal.” That is the spark of divine fire.

    Larval humans who need to be coddled by the megaton don’t have promise. They have an unfillable chasm into which it is profitable for the social engineering professions/elites and politicians to shovel dollars. Their sparks involve arson. Brighter people owe them nothing.

    • Replies: @Truth

    FLOTUS is pushing 60 and at some dim level...
     
    51 is "Pushing 60"? Who, exactly is the dim one?
  276. @pyrrhus
    I'm sure that Pew is conflating whites and hispanics, and probably lying about the black numbers...since American blacks have an average IQ of 85, claiming they read almost as many books as those with IQ 100+ is pretty preposterous...

    I’m sure that Pew is conflating whites and hispanics, and probably lying about the black numbers…

    It’s funny, I don’t get why other don’t get it, there’s an easy way to tell when a foundation is lying; when you don’t agree with them.

  277. @Steve Sailer
    I've long admired Sondheim's lyrics for the central song of "Sunday in the Park with George," "Painting the Hat" about how the artist gets lost in perfecting one detail of his masterpiece. But then it struck me I'd never heard the song sung, so I looked up Mandy Patinkin singing it on Youtube. Wow, what a terrible melody.

    Sondheim is a more than worthy successor as a lyricist to his quasi-stepfather Oscar Hammerstein II, but I guess it's asking too much that he also be able to compose a tune like Richard Rodgers.

    The tragedy is that Leonard Bernstein could never get it in gear again after West Side Story (for which Sondheim wrote the brilliant lyrics). A few more musicals with Bernstein writing the music and Sondheim sticking just to the lyrics would have done a lot of good.

    I’ve long admired Sondheim’s lyrics…

    Wow, what a terrible melody…

    Something appealing,
    Something appalling,
    Something for everyone,
    A comedy tonight!

  278. @Steve Sailer
    That's nothing. The Head Curator always ask me on the way out if any of the paintings or statues struck my fancy and if I'd like to borrow one for a month or two. I usually try to say no, but then they look sad, so I mostly just pick out something easy for me to carry.

    Before I learned that convenient size is the most important attribute of an objet d'art when it comes to exercising my White Privilege, there was that unfortunate incident at the Art Institute of Chicago when they insisted I take home their "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" by Seurat.

    http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27644175

    But it turned out I didn't have quite enough twine to tie it securely to the roof of my Accord and the Pointillist masterpiece sailplaned away in the middle of Lake Shore Drive. (Fortunately, painting reproduction techniques have improved dramatically, so I haven't heard that anybody has noticed yet.)

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T'ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/64461?search_no=1&index=6

    Fortunately, I'm white, so they'll waive the late fee. It's got to be around here somewhere. Hope I didn't chip it too much ...

    Damn, that reminds me, I never gave the Art Institute back their T’ang Dynasty ceramic horse they loaned me in the 1990s.

    Because the Oriental Institute thought this wouldn’t fit atop your Honda?

  279. @Truth

    That’s one of the reasons why I like the game; you don’t have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.
     
    Both football and basketball are much more intellectual than baseball; evidence? When was the last time you've seen a baseball team with a playbook.

    You see a ball coming, you hit it or you catch it, then you run or throw it. That's the essence of baseball. Of course there is strategy, but it pales in comparison to a modern NBA offense. I would not even compare it to an NFL offense.

    Intellectual fans like to think their favorite sport requires lots of smarts. Even interviews with the average player aren’t enough to disabuse them of that.

  280. @Abe

    Mexican-Americans are little less bookish than you’d project.
     
    Steve, your riffing on the actual non-vibrancy of our fastest-growing segment of the vibrant population is the most brilliant extended performance since Zeppelin played the Forum in '77.

    With that said, give credit where credit is due- Mexican-Americans seem to be pretty successful in the comic books industry at all levels (artists, writers, directors of comics-related animated shows). My grammar school-aged son is pretty into the whole MARVEL UNIVERSE, so I get to see a lot of credit crawls and the numbers of Lopez and Quesadas involved seems disproportionate (or maybe just proportionate, which in a fairly desirable field like this is a big deal) to their overall numbers.

    Our best friends are SOCAL refugees who still have most of their family there. These solid, white working-class people are well on their way to interbreeding with the more with-it Hispanics down there, so instead of a horrible Balkans-like future for America, I see a revivified white Latin majority. It'll be dumber, more coarse, but also more robust- basically a return to the 50's with everybody reading 4-color style comic books, driving chrome-plated land boats, and handing out atomic wedgies to any high school kid the least bit weird or sensitive. Only difference being the lettermen handing out those wedgies will be named Garcia and Mendoza instead of Zuko and Fonzarelli . But I guess the names will still end in vowels...

    The biggest current star (by far) in the Magic: The Gathering universe as it makes the transition to twitch.TV is Latino-American Luis Scott-Vargas (LSV). He’s absolutely engaging on screen, known for his clever but shameless puns, innovative lines of play, and magnanimous joie de vivre. His videos are more or less nerd crack. See:

    http://www.twitch.tv/lsv/v/4700761

  281. @SPMoore8
    Okay, my son would call me a racist on this but: Baseball is a long learning curve. It's also a very intellectual game, sort of like chess with bats. That's one of the reasons why I like the game; you don't have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.

    For people who are looking for cash payout, baseball is the worst sport: you will have to wait until your late '20's (usually) for the big payday. It also requires a long apprenticeship in the minor leagues. It's like going to medical school as opposed to getting a six month training certificate out of high school. It takes a long time and commitment to the game, and the nuances of the game.

    Basically, if you are a talented athlete, and black, you can get a much quicker return on your athletic skills in other sports. I think that's the reason why most US born players are white. However, the difference between 8% and 13% (black total population) is not I think inordinate. As for hispanic players, no secret that for them it's a ticket to a better life. Pretty much as it was 100 years ago, when many baseball players came from poorer immigrant families; Irish, German, Italian.

    Absolutely true. I played baseball through high school and American Legion, and I had a few black teammates early on, some with a modicum of talent. They had all stopped playing by high school.

    The apprenticeship is a huge issue. Football and basketball have the colleges to train and pamper their athletes, while minor league baseball life, to quote Jim Bouton, is all very minor. John Feinstein’s book about life in Triple A during the 2012 season, Where Nobody Knows Your Name, is a great read.

    Baseball’s drawn-out learning curve is why they lose talented black athletes with other options, like Russell Wilson.

  282. @Olorin
    FLOTUS is pushing 60 and at some dim level realizes that all Affirmative Action got her was an ever-increasing chasm between who she actually is, and the life she covets and envies (that of well-off, truly educated, high-IQ whites of solid genome). After all, the alpha females among whose number she is not included do NOT have as a life strategy accessing political and social power through bearding a liar in his din.

    She's also thoroughly clueless about what inner city groidlets like and care about. In the mostly black city where I grew up, the black kids only went to the museums when they were lugged there at taxpayer expense to get something free. Giveaway days. Then about 4 in 5 tried to shoplift things from the museum stores/cafes, steal from other patrons, or vandalize things. They didn't care about museums, they were loud and disorderly, they were destructive, they had no respect for anything, and they ruined it for everyone around them. I hear from teacher friends back there that they're still like this. No wonder people don’t want them around and are tired of pretending otherwise.

    If they don't go to a "Black History" museum because of extreme disinterest IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE, ignoring for the moment that “their people” is a construct of certain elites, then imagine how much less interested they are in Durer, Caravaggio, El Greco, David, Breughel, etc.

    My city spent ALL its state-seized kid-sitting money on the groidlets. The brighter fraction of black kids got treated as though they were the next Richard Feynmann even though barely as smart as sub average white kids. Few had drive or imagination. A few seemed to have good genes, but weren’t very creative. Those were destined for affirmative action to rocket them into IKAGO status via a government job. Then they moved out to the suburbs.

    Most of them were dim, destructive, noisy, and disinterested in anything social such as learning or culture. Yet they were given playground programs, park programs, school programs, food programs, drama programs, dance programs, art programs, music programs, media programs, program programs.

    They didn't care about those either. They wanted to fight, and by age 11 cared only about sex, booze and drugs, and money. And bakkabo (with the NBA as the dreamed of path to sex, booze, drugs, and money).

    Regarding temples of high Euro-American culture, FLOTUS would like to see it all torn down. She has told us as much. Why should we be surprised? She is too mediocre to understand western civilization and culture and its great minds and history.

    Can you imagine Michelle Obama being able to articulate spontaneously the importance of phi—the Golden Ratio—in painting and architecture? The contributions of Simonides to Renaissance mnemotechnic systems? The history of the English language, or Elizabethan historical poetry, Roman Britain, the Grail cycle, Old English kennings, or Old Norse sagas?

    Can you imagine her identifying with the people who labored to create algebra, trigonometry, the calculus, or who painstakingly mapped the known world and its creatures? Can you imagine her being able to discuss ANYTHING in the Principia Mathematica or even Euclid?

    No. She has a field mule’s body, a tiny mimicky mind, and the tribal queen’s shrill demand that we all reduce our horizons to her compass…as well as worship our era's saints: ghetto sprogs.

    BTW, no child of promise thinks “That place isn’t for me.” Children of promise—of any race or class—think: “I will transcend all obstacles to achieve my dreams. I have a vision and a goal.” That is the spark of divine fire.

    Larval humans who need to be coddled by the megaton don’t have promise. They have an unfillable chasm into which it is profitable for the social engineering professions/elites and politicians to shovel dollars. Their sparks involve arson. Brighter people owe them nothing.

    FLOTUS is pushing 60 and at some dim level…

    51 is “Pushing 60”? Who, exactly is the dim one?

  283. @SPMoore8
    I do not know, but I would expect that most of the nuclear scientists active in South Africa were white.

    Believe it or not, I am not actually trying to pretend that Africans, grosso modo, are as intelligent as whites. I tend to go with the conventional wisdom that they are not.

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA's to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don't think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way. There are plenty of black people who are educated, and sincerely involved in our common culture. They may not be in the media, they may not be high status professionals, but they are out there. But every time someone says something along the lines of "Oh, black folks would never go to a museum" it's the kind of blanket pronouncement that makes blacks who are attempting to be ordinary Americans check their skin tone. They shouldn't have to do that.

    I am not black, but, if I had a mixed race grandson, I would teach him to follow in my family's traditions. And if I ever heard him express the kind of opinion about Europe that our president did, he would get the sternest lecture of his life.

    What I am attempting to make a plea for is to not consign all AA’s to oblivion because of multitudinous bad actors who are black. I don’t think we should allow our attitudes to harden that way.

    I definitely agree with you.

    From personal experience, it’s too easy to become resentful after coming to terms with the fact that, all your life, you’ve been duped about race. Race and IQ explains so much of the world; a reality which most people spend vast amounts of energy tying themselves into knots trying to avoid acknowledging. After coming to terms with this reality, it is simultaneously refreshing (not in a mean-spirited sort of way, but rather in a harmonious, natural way), as well as infuriating, when it seems like the whole world refuses to notice what is painfully obvious, and instead obfuscates with laughably bogus theories which misplace the blame squarely on you. Add to the frustration the fact that if you misstep even slightly and speak the truth too loudly, you risk becoming ostracized.

    So I think there is a tendency to vent this frustration on forums such as these, among others who also see reality clearly, and when there is at least a semblance of anonymity. This venting can become particularly ugly at other forums, which is why I come here to be among comparatively high-browed conversationalists.

    Still, it is easy to get carried away, even here, so your voice of moderation and compassion is appreciated.

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    "Still, it is easy to get carried away, even here, so your voice of moderation and compassion is appreciated."

    I seem to recall a writer at Slate publishing an article in which he admitted that he'd read a number of studies, including "wealth of nations," and it pained him that he had no choice but to conclude that social problems related to blacks had a lot to do with relative IQ deficiency.

    After a few days of an internet mob emerging to rain fire and shit on him, he publicly recanted and apologized, because he didn't want to be fired by Slate, but I seem to remember him saying at the outset, "what do we do with this information?"

    It seems Stephen Jay Gould's scheme of "lying on the side of the angels" is a common tactic practiced by many, because they cannot imagine anything short of fascist remedies for the problem, were they to admit it.

    So the strategically ignorant will continue to obfuscate the Black IQ problem, as long as those who accept and promote the scientific evidence have no believable answer to: "Well... now what do we do?"

    As it is, IQ believers always respond to what they as individuals would do, act with compassion, and not acknowledge what many fear political leaders around the world would likely do, which isn't always compassionate, and too often lethal.

    For example, what would political leaders of the Dominican Republic do, once it's accepted that Blacks have a related IQ deficiency? How would that affect their already ultra-conservative approach to Haitian immigrants? What would the ruling class of mulatto's in Liberia make of it, and how would they proceed to... bring order to chaos in a compassionate way?

    Until those questions can be answered to their moral satisfaction, the devoted obfuscators "on the side of the angels" in the Black IQ "debate" will continue.

  284. @PV van der Byl
    All were legally white as per National Party criteria 1948-1993.

    That said, no real Afrikaner (roots in SA going back before 1750) was of 100% European ancestry.

    The architects of apartheid recognized this and determination of white status did not depend on a one-drop rule. With no fanfare, the government in the early 1950s adopted a policy of recognizing people as legally white if their non-European ancestry was not more than 5% and if their families were regarded as white by other whites.

    Serious Afrikaner scholars have concluded that the mean average non-European ancestry of the Afrikaner population was actually a bit over 5%.

    The SA bomb project also involved a good number of English speaking whites and, according to rumour, one or two people with relatives in an eastern Mediterranean nation with a reputation for expertise in nuclear physics. Of course, all those people were legally white as per SA policy in those years.

    All were legally white as per National Party criteria 1948-1993.

    Ah, that makes sense, given the time period; many thanks.

    Very interesting topic; I had also heard about the Israel rumors, involving possible test detonations somewhere around the Prince Edward islands.

  285. @Truth

    That’s one of the reasons why I like the game; you don’t have to be hugely strong or fast, you just have to learn the game.
     
    Both football and basketball are much more intellectual than baseball; evidence? When was the last time you've seen a baseball team with a playbook.

    You see a ball coming, you hit it or you catch it, then you run or throw it. That's the essence of baseball. Of course there is strategy, but it pales in comparison to a modern NBA offense. I would not even compare it to an NFL offense.

    Please. You demonstrate your ignorance of the game.

    Pregame, there’s always a meeting for the manager, coaching staff and starting battery to go over the opposing lineup and, given the current hot or cold streaks, the minor injuries (is he “nicked up”?), history against the pitcher, etc. The coaching staff always checks with the catcher after the bullpen warmups to see how the pitcher’s stuff is, and decide on a strategy accordingly.

    Where’s the defense set up? Are the fielders playing in the same position when the pitcher is throwing gas inside as opposed to cheese on the outside corner? Is there anyone on? How’s the pitcher’s slide step? Does it take a few miles an hour off his fastball, causing the shortstop to cheat