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    BoJo and veteran iSteve Content Generator Jean-Claude Juncker share a handshake in front of empty bottles

I, personally, haven’t been paying much attention to Brexit in recent years so here’s a comment from a reader who is at least slightly less clueless than me:

So apparently something big is happening with Brexit, and it looks like it will probably happen, with footnotes. Is that right?

Can someone from the UK help me here: Brexit has generated so much derangement and Sturm und Drang that I though when it finally came to some sort of resolution there would be a Russiagate level acceleration of hysteria.

And yet when I look at the left and right and center UK newspapers (as well as the WaPo and NYT), its just another daily news item. Why the sudden calm resignation on both sides?

Are the winners not sure they won and the losers not wanting to acknowledge their loss? Is is a down-the-middle compromise that nobody is that excited or angry about. Or what?

 
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  1. As to be expected, the true-blue Brexit believers have been sold down the river. Expected from BoJo. Disappointed in Rees-Mogg but should have known better as he’s now been proven to be just another pol.

  2. The bottles seem to be full and to contain minerwl water.

  3. The bottles seem to be full and to contain mineral water.

  4. OT: Hey Steve! Congressman Matt Gaetz defending President Trump’s withdrawal from Syria just said of his Republican critics,

    The Republicans are casting themselves as the “invade everyone, invite everyone” party.

    (At about 04:12)

    • LOL: Cato
  5. Anonymous[365] • Disclaimer says:

    Americans don’t seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don’t seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    • Replies: @Johnny Los Negros
    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.
    , @J1234

    Americans don’t seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.
     
    Americans were very interested in the dramatic part of Brexit: the referendum and it's immediate aftermath, and the symbolism surrounding it. They're less interested in the excruciatingly tedious nuts and bolts minutia of the actual process, but that's more of a human nature thing than an American thing.

    Support for the IRA in the US, though great enough to create significant senseless violence and devastation in Ulster, was never widespread. And it went down drastically several years before the end of the "troubles." You get a vague sense of this in the (fairly consistent) negative portrayal of the IRA in US movies during that time. But even though the vast majority of Americans never supported the IRA financially or politically, the loudest voices always dominate in America. There are probably many people in Europe who think that Martin Luther King is a universally admired figure in the US based on what they see or read in some media outlets. Not even close to the truth.

    Same thing, more or less, with support of the IRA. I would even say that most Americans of Irish Catholic descent never supported the IRA. Even the Boston loudmouths who were the IRA's biggest supporters in the US were waning in their support towards the end, and the Omaugh bombing kind of sealed that. As an American, I supported the loyalist cause in Ulster - as did many others - but it was kind of in the same way that most Americans supported Canada staying one country instead of becoming two, per referendum. Not vociferous.

    I'm not making excuses for Americans - a lot of them are idiots in the vein of those Boston Catholic fuck ups - but just trying to convey what I perceive to be the truth of the matter.

    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    Well, I support the Loyalist position. Not rabidly or anything - I wouldn't send them money - but the Republicans got their own decidedly Catholic state and if they didn't like living in an Anglican one then they were welcome to head south.
    , @Joe Walker
    The problem is that most Protestants in Northern Ireland are descended from British colonists while most of the Catholics are descended from the indigenous Irish population. Colonialism is kind of unpopular these days - ask the Afrikaners - so most people are not going to have a lot of sympathy for the Protestant unionists. Of course, the unionists are free to move back to their beloved Britain anytime they want if they desire to be less hated by the rest of the world.
    , @Mike1
    I think most Americans that could possibly care about Britain realize the place is a lost cause. I support Brexit but the odds of the UK regaining any self respect seems low.

    British tourists all come across as terrified and incapable of having a conversation about any topic. Current Brits are so different from the chatty, witty people of previous decades it is hard to believe they are the same people.
    , @Alden
    Why should Americans have any interest at all in that tiny bit of land called N. Ireland?
    , @AnotherDad

    Americans don’t seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.
     
    Anon, you are clueless about America and Americans.

    Americans--white ones--generally are "pro-British" in the general ancestry, culture and allies-who-fought-some-wars-together sense.

    Americans--mostly just those with a good bit of Irish descent, like myself--are "pro-Irish" in the ancestry, St. Paddy's day, drink beer sense. (If that.)

    Ireland does not remotely control or gate US policy toward Britain, much less trade policy.

    And assessing American's feelings about Britain by "support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland"--a place 90% of Amerians are unaware of and whose political issues 99% of Americans are clueless about (and are deeply trivial in terms of population, land area and ideology)--is one of the most bizarre metrics for political assessment i've ever heard.
  6. The deal still needs to pass parliament like all the others which were all voted down by the people who scream about the problems of ‘no deal’. However, the usual suspects like Oliver Letwin (One of the most senior Jewish members) are attempting to demand a stall to any vote until the formal ratification legislation has passed. If this gambit fails, then the vote will be today. If it is today will it pass?

    Brexit is still set for October 31st. Interestingly that is also the date for Mario Draghi to leave the ECB and he has been off printing lots of money for his successor to deal with; Christine Lagarde, fresh off her tenure running the world bank and giving Argentina another set of loans…

    All that matters is freedom of movement for EU citizens and it looks like that will be revoked for those who didn’t come to the UK prior to some date that may be Brexit or may be another. In this sense at least, the Labour defecting voters got their wish. (Albeit that the massive numbers that came before will not be deported but they may self-deport significantly given their new, more precarious status)

    People may say that this will induce more attempting sourcing from outside the EU but that form of immigration has limits and does represent a policy or law that can be actually changed. The incredible thing of the massive EU immigration after the 2004 enlargement and subsequent enlargement was that it practically meant unchallenged immigration from a very large population catchment that would never end and could never be ended outside leaving the EU. That’s why you saw all that defection to UKIP from former Labour voters, that delivered the Cameron government with a huge margin that was forced to keep their promise to have an EU referendum and who voted Leave when prior to 2004 they might have not voted or voted for Remain.

    Poland caused an existential crisis for the EU but not for the reasons that are claimed.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I had no idea that Letwin is a Jew. Why am I so completely unsurprised?
  7. OT: But Spotify has an ad celebrating their trans employees, lots of Sailer-types IT guys. In fairness though, they probably are the most productive people at the company.

  8. Anonymous[314] • Disclaimer says:

    I think a lot of the problem with English people in regards to Brexit is that they are too laid back politically. They have a natural sense of “fair play” that everything will sort itself out in the end so therefore are unlikely to protest on the streets in large numbers or get particularly angry about things.

    English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have, English people in contrast are more inclined to be very critical of their role in history and overly critical on their history I would say.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    One can only hope ...septered isle and all that.
    Its Trafalgar Day on the 21st ... those were the days!
    , @Anonymous
    More Londoners protested Trump’s visit in 2018 than all other protests put together since, probably.

    I was in London when Trump was there. The streets were packed with sign wavers for miles. Impressive turnout, to say the least. A million + probably. But they did not “look like London.” They were overwhelmingly white and affluent, though their biggest objections to POTUS’s visit were “racism” “xenophobia” and the like. Seemingly, spectator-sport style interest in our affairs has replaced interest in their own domestic affairs, to which they’d become completely aloof, for a certain class of Englishperson.

    Are the Trump protests during his state visits an unprecedented phenomenon?
    , @Pheasant
    'English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have'

    Spending hundereds of years being the victimisers and oppressors may have something to do with that.
  9. What’s Going on Brexit-Wise?

    The Quislings still think they can win. They may be right.

  10. Boris is selling out Ulster to get a deal.

  11. There is no winner or loser yet. Parliament has to decide over Johnson’s exit-treaty. We have to be patient.

    Except for that: That Brexit might be a step closer to being realized is no reason for the big media machine to make a big sound, because – if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.

    • Replies: @Altai
    The other thing is that as much as Brexit in abstract represents a loss for the idea of globalism and free migration, removing the UK from the EU also shifts the balance of power overall against more neoliberal policies in the EU. Britain certainly never favoured a 'Social Europe' ideal.

    Banking regulations, high frequency trading regulations and an independent Gaulist foreign policy now become more attainable goals with British involvement in the EU.

    The only people on the left who should be dismayed about this are the fake left. Witness Corbyn's at most, indifference to EU membership and likely opposition that he retains from the 70s and his current criticism of the massive immigration since 2004.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Except for that: That Brexit might be a step closer to being realized is no reason for the big media machine to make a big sound, because – if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.
     
    They will adapt. Just as they did (and rather quickly too) after Trump's election.
    , @dfordoom

    if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.
     
    If Brexit would actually happen, one faction of the globalists would have lost an important battle. The other faction of the globalists (the free-trade free-market faction) would have won an important battle.

    Either way the British people will lose.
  12. Boris that beautiful son of a bitch is really going to pull it off.

  13. I made a relevant comment a year or so back on the Zblog regarding Russiagate, with its vastness of scale and scope and the amount of people involved; for the normie, it just results in fatigue. There is so much information to decode and decipher just from the newspaper articles, and just Hillary’s timeline by itself is enough to fill an entire book. The Obama admin, the FBI, the Justice Dpt, the CIA, MI6, the IRS, I mean, no individual can keep up with it, and that is to the advantage of our loathsome elite who created this scandal that is likely the greatest in the history of the US: A seated president and his would be successor actively attempting to subvert a presidential election by means of using federal and foreign agencies.

    Anyway – Brexit has a similar feel – I don’t even attempt to understand its complexity because who has time to? I expect many other normies feel the same way and again, it’s to the advantage of those attempting to shaft the (real) English people.

  14. Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline “Europe: Just Leave, Already” last night? Can’t find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond– Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464

    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a …

    • Replies: @Ano
    Just now it's a Twitter War, but watch out Tulsi! Hillary/The Swamp are just getting warmed up....

    1) Me-too accusers suddenly come out of nowhere to talk to MSM...
    2) Fusion GPS type lurid dirty dossier starts to circulate around DC/drip-fed to press...
    2) FBI/CIA infiltrate your campaign with spies/honeytrappers (etc) to set up collusion/treason narrative. FISA warrants...
    3) IRS/DoJ/SDNY suddenly start targetting your campaign (associates/backers). Sudden arrests for supposed violations of arcane finance/lobbying laws.
    4) Anonymouos 'whistleblower' (Deep-Stater, DNC connected leaker) suddenly has pearl-clutching fit over your conversations with...just about anybody.

    Oh, and Tom Arnold may send you a tweet about Dallas....

    , @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton is an evil and unpatriotic baby boomer globalizer who pushes endless, unnecessary overseas war, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams, mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration, monetary policies and banking policies that reward bankers and plutocrats and harms workers and Hillary Clinton pushes totalitarian speech restrictions that protects the ruling class of the American Empire.

    Tulsi Gabbard is a soldier and statesman who wants to do what is in the best interest of the United States of America. Gabbard has enough humane forbearance that she wouldn't go bananas after being called a statesman; Hillary Clinton would go full-bore baby boomer feminist freakout haywire if called the same.

    Tulsi Gabbard supports FREE SPEECH and Gabbard desires some wisdom and patriotic vision in the formulation of foreign policy.

    Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the endless and unnecessary overseas war that leads to the shedding of much blood and the wasting of much treasure. Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the waste of blood and treasure that has been the recent outcome of the endless interventionism of the American Empire.

    I disagree extremely strongly with Tulsi Gabbard on immigration policy and other policies, but Tulsi Gabbard, to me, is a good German and a good Pacific Islander and a good American!

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer bastard who does everything in her power to push policies that only benefits the plutocrats and the transnational corporations and the globalizers and the financializers and all the other Mammonite trash in the ruling class.

    Is Hillary Clinton attacking Tulsi Gabbard because Gabbard has German blood? Tulsi Gabbard has German blood from Indiana and I think her Samoan father has some German blood.

    Is Hillary Clinton an anti-German bigot of the worst sort, or what?

    GO TO HELL -- HILLARY CLINTON -- YOU UNPATRIOTIC BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER TREASONITE BASTARD!

    AND THAT GOES FOR BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER EPSTEIN PAL BILL CLINTON TOO!
    , @Barnard
    This obviously wasn't strategic, all it accomplishes is a lot of free publicity for Gabbard. Although at this point Gabbard probably needs to be more concerned about fighting off a primary challenge for her House seat. Plus given the sanity level of the average Democrat primary voter probably 15-20% of them do believe Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are Russian assets.
    , @Anon
    I never cease to be amazed at how far the left has pushed itself out on a limb, and they keep scooting out even more. Every time I run into a lefty these days, they utter the most amazing twaddle with no insight into how crazy they sound.

    Most of these people are members of a very dogmatic cult, but they have no clue that they're members. Part of what keeps them in is the embarrassment and social pain factor. If they leave, they'll have to face the fact that they've been wrong about a lot for a long time, and they know their liberal friends will ostracize them. They don't have enough moral courage to face reality and leave.
    , @Lot
    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.



    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.


    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”
    , @Bubba

    ...there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond...
     
    LOL!

    Now if Tulsi would just dress up as Catwoman a lá Julie Newmar at the next debate I will definitely vote for her!
  15. @Dieter Kief
    There is no winner or loser yet. Parliament has to decide over Johnson's exit-treaty. We have to be patient.

    Except for that: That Brexit might be a step closer to being realized is no reason for the big media machine to make a big sound, because - if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.

    The other thing is that as much as Brexit in abstract represents a loss for the idea of globalism and free migration, removing the UK from the EU also shifts the balance of power overall against more neoliberal policies in the EU. Britain certainly never favoured a ‘Social Europe’ ideal.

    Banking regulations, high frequency trading regulations and an independent Gaulist foreign policy now become more attainable goals with British involvement in the EU.

    The only people on the left who should be dismayed about this are the fake left. Witness Corbyn’s at most, indifference to EU membership and likely opposition that he retains from the 70s and his current criticism of the massive immigration since 2004.

  16. Even a very diluted Brexit will be a psychological blow to the globalist elite. They first tried to completely reverse it – shamelessly using their control of all institutions in the West to openly piss on people. The fact that at some point the elite decided that a 180 reversal on Brexit after a referendum was a bridge too far will have consequences. The current global elites are bleeding and have peaked, next they will start devouring each other. Other than symbolically, Brexit has very little value – a non-event.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    "The current global elites are bleeding and have peaked, next they will start devouring each other."

    One can hope. The reason the elites are bleeding is that their monopoly on information control, nearly everywhere except Communist China,* has popped thanks to the Internet. Despite its flaws, Twitter in particular has been wonderful for the ideological power of normal people over the past decade or so.

    *Communist in the in same sense National Socialists were socialist, i.e. both exemplify corrupt state-capitalism. The Democrats, never-Trumpers, and EU bureaucrats were attempting to bring the same system to the West, thereby cementing their privileges in perpetuity.
  17. Boris got a Brexit deal signed with the EU. I know that Nigel Farage says it is not a good Brexit. Whatever it is, it looks to me that Boris will not get voted it through today by the House of Commons. Boris will the lose to the Remainer saboteurs by a few votes. But maybe he will win by a few votes.

    Boris would love a new election. He thinks he will easily get a pro-Brexit majority. But Parliament must approve a new snap election and so far it looks like that in order to sabotage Brexit they will not.

  18. Brussels mostly blinked at the last minute.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    How so? If Brussels blinked why is the new agreement so unpopular in Britain?
  19. The Brexit Party have labelled Boris’ deal as ‘the second worst deal in history’ (i.e. re: Mrs May’s thrice-rejected original deal).
    It’s still just ‘Brexit in name only’: a stitch-up, with tweaks and some EU concessions, crafted to keep the UK tied up in EU knots for years (and years) to come.

    Nigel Farage himself has dismissed it as just putting lipstick on Mrs May’s pig of a deal, and has called for Leavers in the House of Commons not to vote for it; but, rather sit out an(other) extension of EU membership until a General Election can sweep the Remainers out of Westminster.

    Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond there’s still no sign of a HillaryExit despite America’s vote in 2016 to leave her.

  20. Brussels mostly blinked at the last minute

    Yup.

  21. What’s going on Brexit-wise is that wise people are not involved in delivering Brexit.

  22. Good article below. The author thinks that the new deal is not attractive enough to gain a majority in Parliament and that Boris Johnson would be “forced by law” to seek an extension. (Good detail on who is for and not.) Assuming the EU grants it (and why wouldn’t they) then we wait for the next general election when Brexiteers are swept into power and we get some sort of resolution.

    I’m not so sure that Johnson would be “forced by law” to do anything of the kind. The UK isn’t ruled by judges like the US. But that is probably a wrinkle. Johnson can get what he wants just by asking for an extension. If the EU refuses, then we get the no-deal Brexit. If the EU grants it, then he waits for the next election.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/boris-johnsons-do-or-die-gamble-brexit-89771

  23. There is some background here: (1)

    As Reid explains, “most respected sources I’ve seen over the last 12 hours suggest Mr Johnson will be 0-20 short with momentum slightly going in his favour as time progresses.”

    PEACE 😇
    _____

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/not-even-bookies-have-any-idea-how-tomorrows-critical-brexit-vote-will-play-out

  24. @Reg Cæsar
    Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline "Europe: Just Leave, Already" last night? Can't find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond-- Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

    Just now it’s a Twitter War, but watch out Tulsi! Hillary/The Swamp are just getting warmed up….

    1) Me-too accusers suddenly come out of nowhere to talk to MSM…
    2) Fusion GPS type lurid dirty dossier starts to circulate around DC/drip-fed to press…
    2) FBI/CIA infiltrate your campaign with spies/honeytrappers (etc) to set up collusion/treason narrative. FISA warrants…
    3) IRS/DoJ/SDNY suddenly start targetting your campaign (associates/backers). Sudden arrests for supposed violations of arcane finance/lobbying laws.
    4) Anonymouos ‘whistleblower’ (Deep-Stater, DNC connected leaker) suddenly has pearl-clutching fit over your conversations with…just about anybody.

    Oh, and Tom Arnold may send you a tweet about Dallas….

  25. Vote went for Letwin’s proposal, Brexit deal vote delayed. Statements in parliament were amazing, both Labour and SNP led with ‘We need to stop a no-deal crashout’ after having voted to disrupt the vote on a deal! I don’t even know anymore.

    All of them also went on about ‘bad deals’ but a ‘bad deal’ can only mean less Brexit not more but I thought they wanted less Brexit?

    This is an incredible show from the parliament, 2 and a half years of obstruction in the purest sense. Letwin’s comments were like something out of ‘Yes, Minister’.

    There is no evidence that with a week to go you can both say ‘Brexit will happen on Oct 31st’ and ‘we need to vote to authorise the final mechanisms to implement the deal before we vote on the deal’, it’s completely backwards, how does it make sense to implement the mechanisms before knowing if the deal is voted on? It doesn’t but maybe it will force the government to negotiate another even worse deal to implement in time since it has no ‘no deal’ options.

  26. Boris lost today’s vote but there is a new vote on Tuesday. Boris lost 322 to 306…. So I guess he will lose Tuesday too, which means months more of extended Brexit delay and chaos. For sure the remainers want a second vote on Brexit. The EU’s Germanic honchos are having a good laugh today and tonight at the Anglo chaos.

    Boris Johnson’s moment of triumph on a Brexit deal was dramatically snatched away by a Remainer plot today.
    Despite frantic efforts, the PM failed to fend off an amendment tabled by former Cabinet minister Sir Oliver Letwin, which prevents his new package being put to a formal vote this afternoon.
    Mr Johnson now faces being forced to ask the EU for a Brexit extension tonight – although his deal is not be dead and he is expected to hold a new vote on Tuesday.
    There is still a slim chance that he can win approval for his deal and take Britain out of the EU before October 31.
    (UK Daily Mail)

  27. Wait. Parliament as at Saturday afternoon has tried to stop it again. Boris now has to ask for a delay this evening apparently. But he’s said he won’t! It went quiet for a few days as it looked like Boris had found a way through this. Not quite yet though it seems.

  28. @Reg Cæsar
    Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline "Europe: Just Leave, Already" last night? Can't find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond-- Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

    Hillary Clinton is an evil and unpatriotic baby boomer globalizer who pushes endless, unnecessary overseas war, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams, mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration, monetary policies and banking policies that reward bankers and plutocrats and harms workers and Hillary Clinton pushes totalitarian speech restrictions that protects the ruling class of the American Empire.

    Tulsi Gabbard is a soldier and statesman who wants to do what is in the best interest of the United States of America. Gabbard has enough humane forbearance that she wouldn’t go bananas after being called a statesman; Hillary Clinton would go full-bore baby boomer feminist freakout haywire if called the same.

    Tulsi Gabbard supports FREE SPEECH and Gabbard desires some wisdom and patriotic vision in the formulation of foreign policy.

    Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the endless and unnecessary overseas war that leads to the shedding of much blood and the wasting of much treasure. Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the waste of blood and treasure that has been the recent outcome of the endless interventionism of the American Empire.

    I disagree extremely strongly with Tulsi Gabbard on immigration policy and other policies, but Tulsi Gabbard, to me, is a good German and a good Pacific Islander and a good American!

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer bastard who does everything in her power to push policies that only benefits the plutocrats and the transnational corporations and the globalizers and the financializers and all the other Mammonite trash in the ruling class.

    Is Hillary Clinton attacking Tulsi Gabbard because Gabbard has German blood? Tulsi Gabbard has German blood from Indiana and I think her Samoan father has some German blood.

    Is Hillary Clinton an anti-German bigot of the worst sort, or what?

    GO TO HELL — HILLARY CLINTON — YOU UNPATRIOTIC BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER TREASONITE BASTARD!

    AND THAT GOES FOR BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER EPSTEIN PAL BILL CLINTON TOO!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Hillary Clinton is an evil and unpatriotic baby boomer...

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer...

    HILLARY CLINTON — YOU UNPATRIOTIC BABY BOOMER...
     
    What's this bizarre obsession with her birthdate? Is it your parents or your children who are screwed up? (Perhaps someone in-between?)

    I don't see much difference between the notables and celebrities born in December 1945 and those born in January 1946.

    I see almost no notables born in December 1964 or January 1965. (Bjørn Lomborg does stick out, though, as does Muggsy Bogues.) Perhaps they had some sixth sense that they were born near an arbitrary deadline, and kept their heads low.
    , @MBlanc46
    Tulsi Gabbard is nowt but another Leftist wacko. She may not be quite as wacky as Sanders, Harris, or Fauxcahontas, but a Leftist wacko nonetheless.
  29. Unfortunately, those bottles are full.

    Brexit is happening, don’t worry.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Unfortunately, those bottles are full.

     

    Drunks shouldn't be in a room of rough-hewn stone and tile floors. Why isn't drunk skunk Juncker in a room with deep plush rugs and wooden walls?

    The EU has always been a fig leaf to allow the English ruling class to do sovereignty-sapping things that benefit the global plutocracy and the English ruling class.

    Get England out of EU and dislodge the English ruling class. Find some Americans with Norman blood and ancestry and let them take over England. I'll do it. I want a 25,000 acre estate in a few different regions of England for my troubles. Charles the Conqueror will remove all non-English occupiers from England, except for Farage's German wife and maybe some Scottish and Irish and Welsh people.

    ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!

    Don't hog all the booze, Juncker! Leave some for Johnson and Farage.
    , @Anonymous
    With all that aggro going on in Catalunya - which, characteristically, the EU is silent about, just imagine the EU barking if Russia/Turkey/China etc was doing it -, Brexit will likely be the least of the EU's worries.

    Plus you've got Erdogan having the EU by the balls threatening to 'enrich' Europe with another load of 'swarthy gentlemen'.
  30. Texas Jew Spirit Woman Marianne Williamson Calls Out Democrat Party Ruling Class.

    Marianne Williamson Tells Tulsi Gabbard To Stay Strong.

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer treasonite politician whore who does the bidding of billionaires and transnational corporations and bankers and financializers. Hillary Clinton doesn’t give a damn about the American people!

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer drunk skunk who had to have a HANGOVER VAN in order to campaign.

    Hillary Clinton never went to Wisconsin and Hillary Clinton lost the votes of the Great Lakes states.

    Hillary Clinton was too busy listening to ruling class token stooge RAJ CHETTY to bother with discovering what the voters wanted.

    PISS OFF BACK TO CROOKED CORRUPT CHICAGO HILLARY CLINTON!

  31. @Anatoly Karlin
    Unfortunately, those bottles are full.

    Brexit is happening, don't worry.

    Unfortunately, those bottles are full.

    Drunks shouldn’t be in a room of rough-hewn stone and tile floors. Why isn’t drunk skunk Juncker in a room with deep plush rugs and wooden walls?

    The EU has always been a fig leaf to allow the English ruling class to do sovereignty-sapping things that benefit the global plutocracy and the English ruling class.

    Get England out of EU and dislodge the English ruling class. Find some Americans with Norman blood and ancestry and let them take over England. I’ll do it. I want a 25,000 acre estate in a few different regions of England for my troubles. Charles the Conqueror will remove all non-English occupiers from England, except for Farage’s German wife and maybe some Scottish and Irish and Welsh people.

    ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!

    Don’t hog all the booze, Juncker! Leave some for Johnson and Farage.

  32. The worst part of May’s deal was the UK being bound to the EU customs union. Northern Ireland was a hostage, the rest of the UK could only leave if it left NI behind. Johnson’s deal is basically the same except he shot the hostage and is leaving anyway.

    It works because there’s no great love for the Ulster protestants. They extracted billions in extra spending for NI as a price for supporting May. It’s not the best look if you plan on asking your compatriots for solidarity later on.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    They aren't compatriots. They're Irish.
  33. Well, I am glad about any kind of Brexit. The most important fact for all us Europeans: We need a precedent for leaving the Union, to which we others, in case of necessity, can refer.
    Because otherwise the European Union would go the same slippery slope which the American Union went under Lincoln: The central government would pretend that no state is allowed to leave it and would wage a war against any state who tries to do so nevertheless.

  34. Brexit has no obvious winners among those directly involved, everyone seems to be losing at this point. The UK will be slinking out rather than proudly exiting, the political integrity of the United Kingdom is badly damaged, but on the other hand the EU has taken a hard stance that will damage the EU economically over the long run and the EU without the UK in it is a less credible and less influential organization.

    The only clear winners are Russia and China.

  35. One thing I have yet to read a thing about is the issue of “freedom of movement” – i.e., Britain’s right to control immigration under a deal. Was that already settled in favor of Britain previously, has it changed in the new deal, or is Britain still being told it has to have open borders with the continent.

    From what little info I’m getting about the actual deal, both sides seem to be rather unhappy, and in rather difficult positions. Remoaners are suddenly a lot more concerned about having to face an election, with the charismatic Boris Johnson facing off against Communist nutbag Jeremy Corbyn, whom LieBore has at least twice confirmed as its preferred leader, suggesting most of its MPs are every bit as fanatical as he is.

    Meanwhile the Leave side is worried about losing a second referendum with all of the thoroughly indoctrinated, head-in-their-phones “youth” – a huge percentage of which aren’t even ethnically British – having come of age in the last 4 years. Rejection of the latest deal would probably mean another referendum. So secure the exit now, then go back to renegotiate details later, I guess.

    And perhaps above all that, everyone sane person in Britain (which would exclude pretty much everyone calling for a “People’s Vote) is probably thoroughly exhausted by this big question mark hanging over their heads. The nation wants and needs to know where it’s going.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Altai

    And perhaps above all that, everyone sane person in Britain (which would exclude pretty much everyone calling for a “People’s Vote) is probably thoroughly exhausted by this big question mark hanging over their heads. The nation wants and needs to know where it’s going.
     
    A lot of big companies have several times now hired and trained up staff to help with the possibility of no-deal and depending on their business, a deal Brexit but every time the deadline to leave gets extended as it has today yet again.

    Sterling has also lost a fair amount of value since the referendum and begins to recover every time it looks like the final deal will be settled.
    , @Anonymous
    The Marxist British Labour Party - ironically in true Economist fashion - has committed itself to full on 'open borders' massive uncontrolled immigration, never mind the EU, but to the *entire* globe.
    Oh, as an added bonus it has decreed that the massive endless hordes will be 'entitled' to full welfare benefits, free housing, free healthcare and education plus the 'right' to vote in General Elections and the 'right' to 'family reunification'.

    The strange thing is the whole Brexit debacle is merely a backlash against a previous Labour Administration's madcap (Economist) immigration policy.
  36. @Wilkey
    One thing I have yet to read a thing about is the issue of "freedom of movement" - i.e., Britain's right to control immigration under a deal. Was that already settled in favor of Britain previously, has it changed in the new deal, or is Britain still being told it has to have open borders with the continent.

    From what little info I'm getting about the actual deal, both sides seem to be rather unhappy, and in rather difficult positions. Remoaners are suddenly a lot more concerned about having to face an election, with the charismatic Boris Johnson facing off against Communist nutbag Jeremy Corbyn, whom LieBore has at least twice confirmed as its preferred leader, suggesting most of its MPs are every bit as fanatical as he is.

    Meanwhile the Leave side is worried about losing a second referendum with all of the thoroughly indoctrinated, head-in-their-phones "youth" - a huge percentage of which aren't even ethnically British - having come of age in the last 4 years. Rejection of the latest deal would probably mean another referendum. So secure the exit now, then go back to renegotiate details later, I guess.

    And perhaps above all that, everyone sane person in Britain (which would exclude pretty much everyone calling for a "People's Vote) is probably thoroughly exhausted by this big question mark hanging over their heads. The nation wants and needs to know where it's going.

    And perhaps above all that, everyone sane person in Britain (which would exclude pretty much everyone calling for a “People’s Vote) is probably thoroughly exhausted by this big question mark hanging over their heads. The nation wants and needs to know where it’s going.

    A lot of big companies have several times now hired and trained up staff to help with the possibility of no-deal and depending on their business, a deal Brexit but every time the deadline to leave gets extended as it has today yet again.

    Sterling has also lost a fair amount of value since the referendum and begins to recover every time it looks like the final deal will be settled.

  37. O/T but in the past couple of days Red Ice has been kicked off YouTube (“multiple violations of “hate speech””) and Counter Currents has been denied service by two more payment providers and is now, like The Daily Stormer, reliant upon crypto currency for donations.

    With just over a year until the US election, I guess they really want to stifle voices of opposition.

  38. @Reg Cæsar
    Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline "Europe: Just Leave, Already" last night? Can't find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond-- Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

    This obviously wasn’t strategic, all it accomplishes is a lot of free publicity for Gabbard. Although at this point Gabbard probably needs to be more concerned about fighting off a primary challenge for her House seat. Plus given the sanity level of the average Democrat primary voter probably 15-20% of them do believe Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are Russian assets.

  39. Harvard Grad Kaus Shows True Colors! Kaus Calls Gabbard Creepy!

    Hey, Mickey, Say It Ain’t So!

  40. The process has damaged the credibility of parliament and its procedures. The Speaker used extra ordinary latent powers to block votes, and apparently the Speaker may block a revote on Monday. Such maneuvers to thwart popular will are cheered by the Guardian reading classes , but the longer term eff few must be to undermine faith in the concept of Parliament

  41. Instead of EU Lucying the football, they pretended to like Boris’s proposition, but only because they totally knew Boris’s indispensable Northern Irish allies would do the Lucying this time, and they pretty much have to, because it drops a lot of customs and importing trouble on a depressed area that was promised to never have to deal with it (which is unrealistic, but then Boris shouldn’t have promised something so unrealistic).
    Here it is: the EU has hypnotized the UK into thinking they have no sovereignty. As soon as the UK wakes up, they’ll be fine. Nothing they do before waking will ever work.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    Trouble is not the UK's supposed loss of sovereignty to the EU but rather the loss of ability to sabotage the EU once they Brexit.

    The following bit of British humour is not satire but open mockery:

    https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE
  42. Conservative treehouse seems to think its a limited win for our side

  43. One of Thatcher’s clever, Jewish accolytes, Oliver Letwin, just threw a spanner in the works.

    His ammendment supposedly forces Boris to ask for another extension. But whether Boris will do remains to be seen.

    Letwin was the chap who devised the Poll Tax, and hence killed Thatcher’s political career.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Known as 'Oliver Leftwing' to his friends.
    , @James J. O'Meara
    "Letwin was the chap who devised the Poll Tax, and hence killed Thatcher’s political career."

    Clearly the Brits, like the Americans, believe in failing upward.
  44. Hunter Wallace on the Tulsi Gabbard vs Hillary Clinton brawl:

    The Democratic Party has brought in neocon refugees like Max Boot from the GOP and merged them with conspiracy obsessed cat ladies who are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome because they have watched too much CNN and Rachel Maddow.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/10/18/mommy-tulsi-slams-crooked-hillary/

    Hillary Clinton lost the Great Lakes states and Florida and she lost them because Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states that he needed to win to get more votes than Hillary Clinton in the Electoral College.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer globalizer treasonite who has a grudge against Tulsi Gabbard because Gabbard rejected the corruption and crooked shenanigans going on in the Democrat Party ruling class of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary Clinton and their donors.

    Tulsi Gabbard has German blood on both sides of her ancestry and that reminds Hillary Clinton of half-German Trump and all the German American voters who supported Trump over Hillary in the Great Lakes states. Plenty of snowbird Kraut Americans in Florida too!

    The internet says this about Tulsi Gabbard’s ancestry:

    Ethnicity: Samoan (roughly over one quarter), German, as well as small amounts of English, Irish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, Scottish, remote Welsh and Cornish

    https://ethnicelebs.com/tulsi-gabbard

    IT’S OKAY TO BE SAMOAN!

    IT’S OKAY TO BE A KRAUT!

    IT’S OKAY TO BE GERMAN!

    IT’S OKAY TO BE A SAMOAN GERMAN KRAUT AMERICAN!

    IT’S OKAY TO BE ENGLISH and IRISH and SCOTCH-IRISH and SCOTTISH and WELSH and CORNISH!

    IT’S OKAY TO USE SCOTCH INSTEAD OF SCOTS!

    • Replies: @A123

    IT’S OKAY TO USE SCOTCH
     
    Woo hooo... Too bad Corryvrecken is now over $100 in the U.S.

    Or, did you mean something else by "using scotch"?

    PEACE

    ________

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/disp/8de6374605734.5601f1098cb8b.jpg

    Ardbeg Corryvreckan takes its name from the famous whirlpool that lies to the north of Islay, where only the bravest souls dare to venture. Swirling aromas and torrents of deep, peaty, peppery taste lurk beneath the surface of this beautifully balanced dram. Like the whirlpool itself, Corryvreckan is not for the faint-hearted! Awarded The World’s Best Single Malt in 2010 by the World Whiskies Awards.

    Non chill-filtered at 57.1% ABV

     

  45. Short Answer:

    The UK Deep State never expected Brexit, never accepted Brexit and have never respected Brexit.

    – This fact is easily gauged by the way The Economist Magazine came out with all guns blazing against Brexit from the get-go.

  46. What’s Going on Brexit-Wise?

    England must get out of the concentration camp of nations called the EU!

    England has undergone a HOLOCAUST of EU sovereignty-sapping bureaucratic authoritarianism!

    I wrote this about that drunk skunk baby boomer Juncker and England and the EU in May of 2019:

    Jean-Claude Juncker is an ugly drunk baby boomer scumbag rat whore for the evil plutocrats and evil ruling classes of the European Union member states.

    The evil and treasonous English ruling class uses the EU and the European Commission as a fig leaf to hide their own evil globalizer designs on English sovereignty and English cultural cohesion.

    Evil rodent whore puppets for the English ruling class such as Margaret Thatcher and John Major and Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and David Cameron and Theresa May all push — or pushed — nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and open borders free trade and anti-White multicultural mayhem.

    Theresa May was Home Secretary for David Cameron while Cameron was flooding 300,000 foreigners a year into the UK.

    Jean-Claude Juncker is just as much as a filthy rat whore stooge for the globalizers and plutocrats and the various ruling classes of EU member states as the UK Prime Ministers have been.

    Jean-Claude Juncker was a sign of the death of the EU from the get-go — Tweets from 2014:

  47. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    One thing I have yet to read a thing about is the issue of "freedom of movement" - i.e., Britain's right to control immigration under a deal. Was that already settled in favor of Britain previously, has it changed in the new deal, or is Britain still being told it has to have open borders with the continent.

    From what little info I'm getting about the actual deal, both sides seem to be rather unhappy, and in rather difficult positions. Remoaners are suddenly a lot more concerned about having to face an election, with the charismatic Boris Johnson facing off against Communist nutbag Jeremy Corbyn, whom LieBore has at least twice confirmed as its preferred leader, suggesting most of its MPs are every bit as fanatical as he is.

    Meanwhile the Leave side is worried about losing a second referendum with all of the thoroughly indoctrinated, head-in-their-phones "youth" - a huge percentage of which aren't even ethnically British - having come of age in the last 4 years. Rejection of the latest deal would probably mean another referendum. So secure the exit now, then go back to renegotiate details later, I guess.

    And perhaps above all that, everyone sane person in Britain (which would exclude pretty much everyone calling for a "People's Vote) is probably thoroughly exhausted by this big question mark hanging over their heads. The nation wants and needs to know where it's going.

    The Marxist British Labour Party – ironically in true Economist fashion – has committed itself to full on ‘open borders’ massive uncontrolled immigration, never mind the EU, but to the *entire* globe.
    Oh, as an added bonus it has decreed that the massive endless hordes will be ‘entitled’ to full welfare benefits, free housing, free healthcare and education plus the ‘right’ to vote in General Elections and the ‘right’ to ‘family reunification’.

    The strange thing is the whole Brexit debacle is merely a backlash against a previous Labour Administration’s madcap (Economist) immigration policy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The strange thing is the whole Brexit debacle is merely a backlash against a previous Labour Administration’s madcap (Economist) immigration policy.
     
    Have you seen the movie "Brexit," with Benedict Cumberbatch as Leave leader Dominic Cummings? It is a thoroughly anti-Brexit screed (though it does occasionally give the Leave team some huzzahs). It mentions the Leave sides so-called lie about Turkey sending millions of immigrants Britain's way if it ever does join the EU.

    It never mentions the refugee invasion that was still going on at that very moment. It never mentions Turkey's use of that crisis to nudge closer to EU accession, or the fact that the EU has been telling Turkey for decades that it has a real shot at membership. It never mentions the tens of thousands of African "refugees" sitting in France trying to steal their way into Britain.

    It makes much of the supposed racism of white Britons and the murder of MP Jo Cox but never mentions the 2011 race riots, the tube bombings, the Glasgow Airport attack, the broad daylight murder of British soldier Lee Rigby, the Rotterham and related rape scandals, or all of the other terrorist acts committed by Muslims, particularly in France and the USA. The Leave Campaign and its 17.5 million voters were responsible for one crazed man who murdered an MP but only 3 million Muslims were innocent of the far more numerous terrorist acts being committesd by their co-religionists in the name of their religion.

    It claims that Leave's estimate of a million or more Turks coming to Britain if Turkey joins the EU is a lie, yet never mentions the lie told by Tony Blair. Before immigration controls were lifted Prime Minister Tony Blair predicted that only 15,000 Eastern Europeans would move to Britain annually. In less than eight years over 700,000 of them moved to Britain. Turkey has twice the population of Poland and its per capita income is only 60% that of Poland's. So there is every reason to think that Leave's estimate of a million Turks in a decade was not only fair, but probably even conservative.
  48. Brexit presents an excellent opportunity to repurpose all those old nasty jokes about one’s northern neighbours, like:

    In the airspace of X, a plane crash has been unfolding for the second day now

    It will probably go on for another five years or so.

  49. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Unfortunately, those bottles are full.

    Brexit is happening, don't worry.

    With all that aggro going on in Catalunya – which, characteristically, the EU is silent about, just imagine the EU barking if Russia/Turkey/China etc was doing it -, Brexit will likely be the least of the EU’s worries.

    Plus you’ve got Erdogan having the EU by the balls threatening to ‘enrich’ Europe with another load of ‘swarthy gentlemen’.

    • Replies: @Wilkey

    Plus you’ve got Erdogan having the EU by the balls threatening to ‘enrich’ Europe with another load of ‘swarthy gentlemen’.
     
    One can only hope for such a thing to happen. Europe would either find its balls, and turn them all back (unlikely), or it would break the European Union apart for good. However much another refugee crisis would threaten the EU's future, Europe's supposed elite isn't prepared to admit it was ever wrong, or that the people of Europe have any right to defend their homelands.
  50. The remain side is stalling. Clearly, globalists won’t let the UK go, one way or another.

  51. Now that Bloomberg is metered, I switched about a year ago to Reuters.com for my world and business news.

    It’s very solid and unbiased. Bloomberg and WSJ always had a slight or worse globalist left and globalist right slants. Reuters news articles don’t and are just facts.

    So I suggest having a look at their main site and searching for Brexit, though ATM it’s the first article on the homepage.

    • Replies: @Hockamaw

    Now that Bloomberg is metered, I switched about a year ago to Reuters.com for my world and business news.

     

    I like Bloomberg as well but they’re asking $35.00 PER MONTH to read their site now. $420.00 per year for a news site?? Anyone who would pay that must not like money. I wouldn’t consider half that amount a good value for the content they produce.
  52. There will never, EVER be Brexit. It won’t ever happen.

    Parliament has already rejected Boris’s plan, and there is yet another delay. Fundamentally the people that MATTER (NOT the ordinary voters) will NEVER accept Brexit: judges, parliament members, the media, etc. Brexit means no more easy retirement to the talk shop that is the EU where decisions can be made to screw over the ordinary people for the benefit of the NEW CLASS. The NEW CLASS will never accept it, so it will never ever happen.

    Most likely, a deal between Conservative MPs and Labor to make Jeremy Corbyn the PM without elections. Elections are meaningless, don’t worry a Judge will rule it is all OK. The FT has been running for months articles about what Corbyn and Labor will do and who the big shots must bribe in Corbyn’s cabinet to get deals done. Useful information. The FT is a great paper if you read between the lines like the old Pravda. You can see who is in and who is out. Critical for big companies is knowing just who to bribe. Who has pull and who does not.

    Related, John Kasich and Mitt Romney have called for Trump’s removal. Now, that’s not very popular among Republicans though if you believe Drudge, it is among the American people. But there is nothing to prevent the FBI from simply marching into the White House, arresting Trump, or shooting him, and installing Hillary! as the next President. Half the FBI’s spouses work for Hillary! And Hillary! has been spouting off about Tulsi Gabbard. Really, the FBI has the men, the will, and the power. All they need is John Roberts signing off and then Hillary can pack the Supreme Court with James Carville, Shep Smith, Stacey Abrams, etc. and there you go.

    The great innovation in stopping Brexit is the realization by Elite New Class rulers of the fact that they can just rule directly without even lip service to elections. That they have the power to rule us like China’s Emperor Xi. Whom they deeply admire. While they despise Putin a similar absolute Autarch because he at least plays lip service to his people’s interests. While Xi does not.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    Related, John Kasich and Mitt Romney have called for Trump’s removal.
     
    I'm still surprised you haven't called for Trump's removal yet.
  53. It’s fucked.

    low to Boris: UK MPs vote to delay decision on BoJo’s Brexit deal, insist he now must ask for extension from EU

    Parliament versus the people: Yet another vote to delay Brexit

    Oh well.

    But would Boris and Jean-Claude get along well over a bottle of Fernet-Branca? (I don’t know if Jean-Claude is still partial to this particular liqueur)

    More interesting, this might be the first step towards a re-unification of Irland and appropriate un-Britainning. History will tell.

  54. @Lot
    Now that Bloomberg is metered, I switched about a year ago to Reuters.com for my world and business news.

    It’s very solid and unbiased. Bloomberg and WSJ always had a slight or worse globalist left and globalist right slants. Reuters news articles don’t and are just facts.

    So I suggest having a look at their main site and searching for Brexit, though ATM it’s the first article on the homepage.

    Now that Bloomberg is metered, I switched about a year ago to Reuters.com for my world and business news.

    I like Bloomberg as well but they’re asking $35.00 PER MONTH to read their site now. $420.00 per year for a news site?? Anyone who would pay that must not like money. I wouldn’t consider half that amount a good value for the content they produce.

  55. I admittedly don’t have very much detail on what is happening. But from the body language in that photo, it appears bad for the UK. It looks as if Boris just surrendered. Maybe I am wrong, but he clearly looks submissive next to that prick.

  56. @Whiskey
    There will never, EVER be Brexit. It won't ever happen.

    Parliament has already rejected Boris's plan, and there is yet another delay. Fundamentally the people that MATTER (NOT the ordinary voters) will NEVER accept Brexit: judges, parliament members, the media, etc. Brexit means no more easy retirement to the talk shop that is the EU where decisions can be made to screw over the ordinary people for the benefit of the NEW CLASS. The NEW CLASS will never accept it, so it will never ever happen.

    Most likely, a deal between Conservative MPs and Labor to make Jeremy Corbyn the PM without elections. Elections are meaningless, don't worry a Judge will rule it is all OK. The FT has been running for months articles about what Corbyn and Labor will do and who the big shots must bribe in Corbyn's cabinet to get deals done. Useful information. The FT is a great paper if you read between the lines like the old Pravda. You can see who is in and who is out. Critical for big companies is knowing just who to bribe. Who has pull and who does not.

    Related, John Kasich and Mitt Romney have called for Trump's removal. Now, that's not very popular among Republicans though if you believe Drudge, it is among the American people. But there is nothing to prevent the FBI from simply marching into the White House, arresting Trump, or shooting him, and installing Hillary! as the next President. Half the FBI's spouses work for Hillary! And Hillary! has been spouting off about Tulsi Gabbard. Really, the FBI has the men, the will, and the power. All they need is John Roberts signing off and then Hillary can pack the Supreme Court with James Carville, Shep Smith, Stacey Abrams, etc. and there you go.

    The great innovation in stopping Brexit is the realization by Elite New Class rulers of the fact that they can just rule directly without even lip service to elections. That they have the power to rule us like China's Emperor Xi. Whom they deeply admire. While they despise Putin a similar absolute Autarch because he at least plays lip service to his people's interests. While Xi does not.

    Related, John Kasich and Mitt Romney have called for Trump’s removal.

    I’m still surprised you haven’t called for Trump’s removal yet.

  57. @jimmyriddle
    One of Thatcher's clever, Jewish accolytes, Oliver Letwin, just threw a spanner in the works.

    His ammendment supposedly forces Boris to ask for another extension. But whether Boris will do remains to be seen.


    Letwin was the chap who devised the Poll Tax, and hence killed Thatcher's political career.

    Known as ‘Oliver Leftwing’ to his friends.

  58. @MikeJa
    The worst part of May's deal was the UK being bound to the EU customs union. Northern Ireland was a hostage, the rest of the UK could only leave if it left NI behind. Johnson's deal is basically the same except he shot the hostage and is leaving anyway.

    It works because there's no great love for the Ulster protestants. They extracted billions in extra spending for NI as a price for supporting May. It's not the best look if you plan on asking your compatriots for solidarity later on.

    They aren’t compatriots. They’re Irish.

    • Replies: @Hereward the Woke
    Someone should inform the Ulster Protestants.
    , @Joe Walker
    The "Ulster Protestants" are not Irish. They are descended from British colonists. The Catholics are native Irish.
  59. @Charles Pewitt
    Hunter Wallace on the Tulsi Gabbard vs Hillary Clinton brawl:

    The Democratic Party has brought in neocon refugees like Max Boot from the GOP and merged them with conspiracy obsessed cat ladies who are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome because they have watched too much CNN and Rachel Maddow.

     

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/10/18/mommy-tulsi-slams-crooked-hillary/

    Hillary Clinton lost the Great Lakes states and Florida and she lost them because Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states that he needed to win to get more votes than Hillary Clinton in the Electoral College.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer globalizer treasonite who has a grudge against Tulsi Gabbard because Gabbard rejected the corruption and crooked shenanigans going on in the Democrat Party ruling class of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary Clinton and their donors.

    Tulsi Gabbard has German blood on both sides of her ancestry and that reminds Hillary Clinton of half-German Trump and all the German American voters who supported Trump over Hillary in the Great Lakes states. Plenty of snowbird Kraut Americans in Florida too!

    The internet says this about Tulsi Gabbard's ancestry:

    Ethnicity: Samoan (roughly over one quarter), German, as well as small amounts of English, Irish, Scots-Irish/Northern Irish, Scottish, remote Welsh and Cornish

    https://ethnicelebs.com/tulsi-gabbard

    IT'S OKAY TO BE SAMOAN!

    IT'S OKAY TO BE A KRAUT!

    IT'S OKAY TO BE GERMAN!

    IT'S OKAY TO BE A SAMOAN GERMAN KRAUT AMERICAN!

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    Or, did you mean something else by “using scotch”?

    PEACE

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  60. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In totality there's only just about a million of them - perhaps one year's worth of subcons, Africans and Latino imports to the USA.
    , @Anon
    I don't see why the Ulster Prots even object to being part of Ireland any more; that would be the only effective way of depressing the Papist vote in Northern Ireland as the only people on Earth more anti-Catholic than the Ulster Presbyterians are the "Catholics" in the Republic.

    They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.
     
    That would be pretty ironic because the Irish-Irish and Irish-Americans were among the stronger Boer supporters in the Boer War and there was even an Irish contingent fighting with the Boers.
    , @Daniel H
    >>Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    Why do you wish to help the Cucks?
    , @Lot
    “ the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.”

    The evangelical Christians from Russia who settled around Sacramento block vote GOP.
    , @Anonymous
    Russians, Orthodox Jews, Cubans, and Persian men all lean Republican. It’s a big tent!
  61. @Dieter Kief
    There is no winner or loser yet. Parliament has to decide over Johnson's exit-treaty. We have to be patient.

    Except for that: That Brexit might be a step closer to being realized is no reason for the big media machine to make a big sound, because - if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.

    Except for that: That Brexit might be a step closer to being realized is no reason for the big media machine to make a big sound, because – if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.

    They will adapt. Just as they did (and rather quickly too) after Trump’s election.

  62. The two obstacles of Brexit are John Bercow (Berkowitz) and Oliver Letwin, both from Eastern European Jewish roots. Someone once said the Conservative party was now run by Old Estonians rather than Old Etonians.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That comment is attributable to Sir John Stokes MP - a real life 'Bufton Tufton', who said it back in the early '80s regarding senior Thatcher cabinet ministers Nigel Lawson and Leon Britton.
  63. OT:

    Revolt of Gen Z:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chile-protests-metro/chile-shuts-down-capital-city-metro-as-violent-protests-spread-idUSKBN1WX2DV

    And – to you Californians out there – what’s up with PG&E?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/pg-e-ceo-says-it-could-impose-blackouts-in-california-for-a-decade-11571438206

    I know the drought is pretty bad – climate change, yada, yada, yada – but California is normally drought prone. Has PG&E just not been maintaining their right-of-ways? They had a big gas explosion a few years back too. This is all beginning to sound like chronic mismanagement.

  64. @Johnny Los Negros
    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    In totality there’s only just about a million of them – perhaps one year’s worth of subcons, Africans and Latino imports to the USA.

    • Replies: @Anonyone

    In totality there’s only just about a million of them – perhaps one year’s worth of subcons, Africans and Latino imports to the USA.
     
    Don't have an opinion on Northern Ireland, but the devastation to the South African economy if we took in all of their whites would be priceless. Imagine all the interviews with black South Africans: "White people are racist oppressors. We can't let them leave. They wouldn't be here to oppress us."
  65. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    Americans don’t seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    Americans were very interested in the dramatic part of Brexit: the referendum and it’s immediate aftermath, and the symbolism surrounding it. They’re less interested in the excruciatingly tedious nuts and bolts minutia of the actual process, but that’s more of a human nature thing than an American thing.

    Support for the IRA in the US, though great enough to create significant senseless violence and devastation in Ulster, was never widespread. And it went down drastically several years before the end of the “troubles.” You get a vague sense of this in the (fairly consistent) negative portrayal of the IRA in US movies during that time. But even though the vast majority of Americans never supported the IRA financially or politically, the loudest voices always dominate in America. There are probably many people in Europe who think that Martin Luther King is a universally admired figure in the US based on what they see or read in some media outlets. Not even close to the truth.

    Same thing, more or less, with support of the IRA. I would even say that most Americans of Irish Catholic descent never supported the IRA. Even the Boston loudmouths who were the IRA’s biggest supporters in the US were waning in their support towards the end, and the Omaugh bombing kind of sealed that. As an American, I supported the loyalist cause in Ulster – as did many others – but it was kind of in the same way that most Americans supported Canada staying one country instead of becoming two, per referendum. Not vociferous.

    I’m not making excuses for Americans – a lot of them are idiots in the vein of those Boston Catholic fuck ups – but just trying to convey what I perceive to be the truth of the matter.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @tyrell
    American support for the ira dropped like a brick after 9/11. Suddenly terrorism was real and effected Americans too. As far as ulster Being betrayed by brexit, 56% of the population voted to remain in the EU and that was when the lying brexiteers were promising that brexit could be achieved with an open border in Ireland. If Ulster's voters had been told the truth remain would have been 60% or higher.
  66. @TelfoedJohn
    The two obstacles of Brexit are John Bercow (Berkowitz) and Oliver Letwin, both from Eastern European Jewish roots. Someone once said the Conservative party was now run by Old Estonians rather than Old Etonians.

    That comment is attributable to Sir John Stokes MP – a real life ‘Bufton Tufton’, who said it back in the early ’80s regarding senior Thatcher cabinet ministers Nigel Lawson and Leon Britton.

  67. Couldn’t care less about Brexit but Yang seems to have stolen your idea about the supreme court (starting at 2:38)

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Supreme Court reform:

    Have the Supremes ditch their drab old Muumuu [1] outfits and try something with a bright floral pattern. It might help offset their pretensions.

    Counterinsurgency

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muumuu
  68. @Altai
    The deal still needs to pass parliament like all the others which were all voted down by the people who scream about the problems of 'no deal'. However, the usual suspects like Oliver Letwin (One of the most senior Jewish members) are attempting to demand a stall to any vote until the formal ratification legislation has passed. If this gambit fails, then the vote will be today. If it is today will it pass?

    Brexit is still set for October 31st. Interestingly that is also the date for Mario Draghi to leave the ECB and he has been off printing lots of money for his successor to deal with; Christine Lagarde, fresh off her tenure running the world bank and giving Argentina another set of loans...

    All that matters is freedom of movement for EU citizens and it looks like that will be revoked for those who didn't come to the UK prior to some date that may be Brexit or may be another. In this sense at least, the Labour defecting voters got their wish. (Albeit that the massive numbers that came before will not be deported but they may self-deport significantly given their new, more precarious status)

    People may say that this will induce more attempting sourcing from outside the EU but that form of immigration has limits and does represent a policy or law that can be actually changed. The incredible thing of the massive EU immigration after the 2004 enlargement and subsequent enlargement was that it practically meant unchallenged immigration from a very large population catchment that would never end and could never be ended outside leaving the EU. That's why you saw all that defection to UKIP from former Labour voters, that delivered the Cameron government with a huge margin that was forced to keep their promise to have an EU referendum and who voted Leave when prior to 2004 they might have not voted or voted for Remain.

    Poland caused an existential crisis for the EU but not for the reasons that are claimed.

    I had no idea that Letwin is a Jew. Why am I so completely unsurprised?

    • Replies: @Altai
    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can't think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It's incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.
    , @LondonBob
    Letwin is acting on behalf of Lord Pannick, a Jewish 'human rights' lawyer.

    Brexit will happen now, Johnson got a good deal. Like its twin Russiagate, the bad guys will be getting their comeuppance.
  69. @Beckow
    Even a very diluted Brexit will be a psychological blow to the globalist elite. They first tried to completely reverse it - shamelessly using their control of all institutions in the West to openly piss on people. The fact that at some point the elite decided that a 180 reversal on Brexit after a referendum was a bridge too far will have consequences. The current global elites are bleeding and have peaked, next they will start devouring each other. Other than symbolically, Brexit has very little value - a non-event.

    “The current global elites are bleeding and have peaked, next they will start devouring each other.”

    One can hope. The reason the elites are bleeding is that their monopoly on information control, nearly everywhere except Communist China,* has popped thanks to the Internet. Despite its flaws, Twitter in particular has been wonderful for the ideological power of normal people over the past decade or so.

    *Communist in the in same sense National Socialists were socialist, i.e. both exemplify corrupt state-capitalism. The Democrats, never-Trumpers, and EU bureaucrats were attempting to bring the same system to the West, thereby cementing their privileges in perpetuity.

    • Replies: @Beckow

    ....their monopoly on information control has popped thanks to the Internet.
     
    True. Interestingly, the elites were first giddy thinking that their control of the internet will make their monopoly and reach even better. But new technologies have their own inner dynamic, so it worked out differently.

    Government is about control. Its etymological root is 'control'. In order to control a society, government (=elites) needs to control the wealth allocation, asset ownership, laws, money creation and distribution, and have a monopoly on violence. That requires that they also control information - the stories we tell to each other. They have lost it and it will be hard to get it back. This will soon quite interesting.
    , @dfordoom

    The reason the elites are bleeding is that their monopoly on information control....has popped thanks to the Internet.
     
    Do you think so? I think that the internet, and social media in particular, has strengthened their control.

    And are the elites bleeding?

    Getting back to Brexit, the most interesting thing about it is that it's become largely an internal elite squabble. It's an elite faction fight. In 2016 it looked like a grass roots revolt but ordinary people have been sidelined. The ordinary Brits who wanted their country returned to them seem to have given up and retreated back into despair and apathy.

    Genuine faction fights within the elites are very unusual these days. That's good news and bad news. It's good news in the sense that the British elites are not as monolithic as was thought. It's bad news in the sense that both elite factions are equally evil.
  70. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Los Negros
    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    I don’t see why the Ulster Prots even object to being part of Ireland any more; that would be the only effective way of depressing the Papist vote in Northern Ireland as the only people on Earth more anti-Catholic than the Ulster Presbyterians are the “Catholics” in the Republic.

    They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    That would be pretty ironic because the Irish-Irish and Irish-Americans were among the stronger Boer supporters in the Boer War and there was even an Irish contingent fighting with the Boers.

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    Irish-Irish and Irish-Americans were among the stronger Boer supporters in the Boer War

    Any sources to back up this claim?
  71. @Anonymous
    I think a lot of the problem with English people in regards to Brexit is that they are too laid back politically. They have a natural sense of "fair play" that everything will sort itself out in the end so therefore are unlikely to protest on the streets in large numbers or get particularly angry about things.

    English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have, English people in contrast are more inclined to be very critical of their role in history and overly critical on their history I would say.

    One can only hope …septered isle and all that.
    Its Trafalgar Day on the 21st … those were the days!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    s[c]eptered isle and all that.
     
    Septic Isle.
  72. @JMcG
    I had no idea that Letwin is a Jew. Why am I so completely unsurprised?

    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can’t think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It’s incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    So still better than Millipede.
    , @byrresheim

    It’s incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.
     
    Par for the course, some here would say.

    I have the rare privilege (for an observer) to have known the sceptered island quite well before thatcherism and only to have visited again afterwards - so perhaps the change was more shocking to me than to most.

    , @Lot
    “ nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.”

    Scratch a socialist, out comes the antisemitism.

    Guess who else’s in on the conspiracy....

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    https://i.imgur.com/4sPa3Rz.png
    , @Wilkey
    Well it's not just "the Jews." John Derbyshire posted a video of the BBC show Question Time about a year ago. His purpose was to point out that Brits were happy with Brexit, even without a deal, and were tied of getting yanked around in the negotiations with the EU.

    But what I noticed about the video was that only the whites in it seem to have any enthusiasm for Brexit. The PoC's were almost entirely anti-Brexit. There are 4-5 people of color in Row One: none are clapping. There's an East Asian guy in Row Five: not clapping. There are two blacks and possibly an Asian in Row Six: the black woman is clapping politely but the other two are not.

    People with no ancestral ties to Britain have absolutely no reason to care about that country being dissolved and disappearing into Greater Europe. They just frankly don't give a shit. Why should they? They moved there for money, not for the love of Britain, its culture, or its people. They don't care a whit for the people of Britain and ethnic Brits should return the favor.

    , @1661er

    Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself)
     
    F.A. von Hayek was teaching at LSE from 1931 to 1950, way before he ended up in Chicago.

    Did Hayek had some new insight/innovation after he moved to Chicago that he didn't taught to his students in LSE? That Hayek taught to Shirley Robin Letwin something unique to bring back to his old haunt in UK?

    I think it's more of the other way around. The Letwins settled in LSE because Hayek had enough influence/string-pulling to place his acolytes in his old school to entrench his influence/ideas.

  73. @J1234

    Americans don’t seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.
     
    Americans were very interested in the dramatic part of Brexit: the referendum and it's immediate aftermath, and the symbolism surrounding it. They're less interested in the excruciatingly tedious nuts and bolts minutia of the actual process, but that's more of a human nature thing than an American thing.

    Support for the IRA in the US, though great enough to create significant senseless violence and devastation in Ulster, was never widespread. And it went down drastically several years before the end of the "troubles." You get a vague sense of this in the (fairly consistent) negative portrayal of the IRA in US movies during that time. But even though the vast majority of Americans never supported the IRA financially or politically, the loudest voices always dominate in America. There are probably many people in Europe who think that Martin Luther King is a universally admired figure in the US based on what they see or read in some media outlets. Not even close to the truth.

    Same thing, more or less, with support of the IRA. I would even say that most Americans of Irish Catholic descent never supported the IRA. Even the Boston loudmouths who were the IRA's biggest supporters in the US were waning in their support towards the end, and the Omaugh bombing kind of sealed that. As an American, I supported the loyalist cause in Ulster - as did many others - but it was kind of in the same way that most Americans supported Canada staying one country instead of becoming two, per referendum. Not vociferous.

    I'm not making excuses for Americans - a lot of them are idiots in the vein of those Boston Catholic fuck ups - but just trying to convey what I perceive to be the truth of the matter.

    American support for the ira dropped like a brick after 9/11. Suddenly terrorism was real and effected Americans too. As far as ulster Being betrayed by brexit, 56% of the population voted to remain in the EU and that was when the lying brexiteers were promising that brexit could be achieved with an open border in Ireland. If Ulster’s voters had been told the truth remain would have been 60% or higher.

  74. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    Well, I support the Loyalist position. Not rabidly or anything – I wouldn’t send them money – but the Republicans got their own decidedly Catholic state and if they didn’t like living in an Anglican one then they were welcome to head south.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Faraday's Bobcat,

    Correction: Ulster is a Presbyterian statelet.
  75. @Not Raul
    They aren't compatriots. They're Irish.

    Someone should inform the Ulster Protestants.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Well, they could go back to England or Scotland. There is also Australia and Canada, and for a long while the US. I'd have no problem with taking a half million white educated Ulster Protestants into the US personally.

    A better solution would be to redo the island as a unified constitutional republic in which religion was not a state issue.
  76. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline "Europe: Just Leave, Already" last night? Can't find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond-- Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

    I never cease to be amazed at how far the left has pushed itself out on a limb, and they keep scooting out even more. Every time I run into a lefty these days, they utter the most amazing twaddle with no insight into how crazy they sound.

    Most of these people are members of a very dogmatic cult, but they have no clue that they’re members. Part of what keeps them in is the embarrassment and social pain factor. If they leave, they’ll have to face the fact that they’ve been wrong about a lot for a long time, and they know their liberal friends will ostracize them. They don’t have enough moral courage to face reality and leave.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Most of these people are members of a very dogmatic cult, but they have no clue that they’re members. Part of what keeps them in is the embarrassment and social pain factor. If they leave, they’ll have to face the fact that they’ve been wrong about a lot for a long time, and they know their liberal friends will ostracize them. They don’t have enough moral courage to face reality and leave.
     
    Which is why New England (Yankeedom) is allied with NYC (New Netherland)[1]. The Yankeedom residence organized themselves as a moral community. This community is defined by altruism towards people they don't interact with to justify hostility towards their neighbors [2], whom they punish for not displaying the same altruism as the Yankeedom residents show. New Netherland provides the moral justification and indoctrination, New Netherland converts that moral justification and indoctrination to money which in turn supports Yankeedom institutions.
    One seldom sees a successful political arrangement that fails to reward its supporters financially.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] http://www.colinwoodard.com/files/ColinWoodard_AmericanNations_map.pdf

    2] Kevin McDonald.
    _Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition_
    Amazon.com Prime free book.
  77. The problem with Britain being in the EU is that it fuels the political apathy of Briton’s with nationalist/populist leanings. For decades now, Britain’s cuckservative elites have been able to use EU membership as an excuse for not tackling issues like third world immigration – sorry guys, we can’t do anything about immigration policy, because are hands are tied be the bureaucrats in Brussels. Similarly, it reinforces the political apathy of the British public. Why challenge the failing government, when the real power brokers are the EU bureaucrats?

    This is also why Brexit is very important to nationalist/populist types in other Anglo countries. If Brexit passes, it will help to make Britain a more nationalistic country, and this will have a flow on effect in the rest of the Anglosphere.

  78. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The Marxist British Labour Party - ironically in true Economist fashion - has committed itself to full on 'open borders' massive uncontrolled immigration, never mind the EU, but to the *entire* globe.
    Oh, as an added bonus it has decreed that the massive endless hordes will be 'entitled' to full welfare benefits, free housing, free healthcare and education plus the 'right' to vote in General Elections and the 'right' to 'family reunification'.

    The strange thing is the whole Brexit debacle is merely a backlash against a previous Labour Administration's madcap (Economist) immigration policy.

    The strange thing is the whole Brexit debacle is merely a backlash against a previous Labour Administration’s madcap (Economist) immigration policy.

    Have you seen the movie “Brexit,” with Benedict Cumberbatch as Leave leader Dominic Cummings? It is a thoroughly anti-Brexit screed (though it does occasionally give the Leave team some huzzahs). It mentions the Leave sides so-called lie about Turkey sending millions of immigrants Britain’s way if it ever does join the EU.

    It never mentions the refugee invasion that was still going on at that very moment. It never mentions Turkey’s use of that crisis to nudge closer to EU accession, or the fact that the EU has been telling Turkey for decades that it has a real shot at membership. It never mentions the tens of thousands of African “refugees” sitting in France trying to steal their way into Britain.

    It makes much of the supposed racism of white Britons and the murder of MP Jo Cox but never mentions the 2011 race riots, the tube bombings, the Glasgow Airport attack, the broad daylight murder of British soldier Lee Rigby, the Rotterham and related rape scandals, or all of the other terrorist acts committed by Muslims, particularly in France and the USA. The Leave Campaign and its 17.5 million voters were responsible for one crazed man who murdered an MP but only 3 million Muslims were innocent of the far more numerous terrorist acts being committesd by their co-religionists in the name of their religion.

    It claims that Leave’s estimate of a million or more Turks coming to Britain if Turkey joins the EU is a lie, yet never mentions the lie told by Tony Blair. Before immigration controls were lifted Prime Minister Tony Blair predicted that only 15,000 Eastern Europeans would move to Britain annually. In less than eight years over 700,000 of them moved to Britain. Turkey has twice the population of Poland and its per capita income is only 60% that of Poland’s. So there is every reason to think that Leave’s estimate of a million Turks in a decade was not only fair, but probably even conservative.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    The only country that promoted Turkey's membership was the UK. It was part of the Tory right's project to weaken the EU by expanding it.
  79. @Anonymous
    In totality there's only just about a million of them - perhaps one year's worth of subcons, Africans and Latino imports to the USA.

    In totality there’s only just about a million of them – perhaps one year’s worth of subcons, Africans and Latino imports to the USA.

    Don’t have an opinion on Northern Ireland, but the devastation to the South African economy if we took in all of their whites would be priceless. Imagine all the interviews with black South Africans: “White people are racist oppressors. We can’t let them leave. They wouldn’t be here to oppress us.”

  80. @Johnny Los Negros
    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    >>Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    Why do you wish to help the Cucks?

  81. @Altai
    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can't think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It's incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    So still better than Millipede.

  82. @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton is an evil and unpatriotic baby boomer globalizer who pushes endless, unnecessary overseas war, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams, mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration, monetary policies and banking policies that reward bankers and plutocrats and harms workers and Hillary Clinton pushes totalitarian speech restrictions that protects the ruling class of the American Empire.

    Tulsi Gabbard is a soldier and statesman who wants to do what is in the best interest of the United States of America. Gabbard has enough humane forbearance that she wouldn't go bananas after being called a statesman; Hillary Clinton would go full-bore baby boomer feminist freakout haywire if called the same.

    Tulsi Gabbard supports FREE SPEECH and Gabbard desires some wisdom and patriotic vision in the formulation of foreign policy.

    Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the endless and unnecessary overseas war that leads to the shedding of much blood and the wasting of much treasure. Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the waste of blood and treasure that has been the recent outcome of the endless interventionism of the American Empire.

    I disagree extremely strongly with Tulsi Gabbard on immigration policy and other policies, but Tulsi Gabbard, to me, is a good German and a good Pacific Islander and a good American!

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer bastard who does everything in her power to push policies that only benefits the plutocrats and the transnational corporations and the globalizers and the financializers and all the other Mammonite trash in the ruling class.

    Is Hillary Clinton attacking Tulsi Gabbard because Gabbard has German blood? Tulsi Gabbard has German blood from Indiana and I think her Samoan father has some German blood.

    Is Hillary Clinton an anti-German bigot of the worst sort, or what?

    GO TO HELL -- HILLARY CLINTON -- YOU UNPATRIOTIC BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER TREASONITE BASTARD!

    AND THAT GOES FOR BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER EPSTEIN PAL BILL CLINTON TOO!

    Hillary Clinton is an evil and unpatriotic baby boomer…

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer…

    HILLARY CLINTON — YOU UNPATRIOTIC BABY BOOMER…

    What’s this bizarre obsession with her birthdate? Is it your parents or your children who are screwed up? (Perhaps someone in-between?)

    I don’t see much difference between the notables and celebrities born in December 1945 and those born in January 1946.

    I see almost no notables born in December 1964 or January 1965. (Bjørn Lomborg does stick out, though, as does Muggsy Bogues.) Perhaps they had some sixth sense that they were born near an arbitrary deadline, and kept their heads low.

  83. See if you can figure out how the border between The Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, England/Scotland/Wales should work with UK out of the EU but Rep of Ireland in.

    Brexit and the Irish border
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_and_the_Irish_border

    Something I wonder about is migration issues. the French port of Calais was inundated with migrants attempting to cross into the UK. Eventually, the French relocated them within France. The French were generous to the UK as both France and UK were EU members. The UK also pays more into the EU than UK gets out. If the Calais situation recures I don’t see why France will be generous to foreign nation UK. They would probably do what Turkey does, demand payment or set the migrants loose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle

    • Replies: @Lurker

    They would probably do what Turkey does, demand payment or set the migrants loose.
     
    In a parallel, saner, universe this would leave the migrants stuck forever no closer to the UK than the French coast. In this saner universe the French would then realise that, amazingly, there was no need to keep them in France at all.
    , @Gordo
    Constantly amazed that these illegal get trough to the UK, wouldn't it be great if we were, you know, like an island or something?
    , @Philip Owen
    Not just that. EU rule for dealing with asylum seekers is "first safe country". So Greece, Italy and Spain take the main hit. The UN rule is refugee choice. So Eu countries will be in their rights to pass refugees to the UK. Meanwhile, an open border with NI will all economic migrants to cross without checks.

    I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.
  84. The workings of the EU have been made deliberately opaque. The honest truth is that we don’t know. British politicians hate POMS as much as US politicians hate Americans. We will find out in a year or so how badly we have been conned. The fact that the Ulster Protestants (the most patriotic Brits) won’t sign up to it is a very bad sign.

    I don’t trust Bojo. He may be anti-EU, but he loves diversity.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    The worings of the EU are a great deal more transparent than those of Westminster as any local authority in a depressed region of the UK will tell you. Clear transparent processes that deliver the support required if you simply meet the criteria.
    , @Gordo

    I don’t trust Bojo. He may be anti-EU, but he loves diversity.
     
    Partly Turk, partly Jew, he is diversity.
  85. A multicultural aspect of the Irish UK EU border is that when the UK was just Protestants and Catholics British and Irish you could argue UK had an obligation to protect Northern Ireland Protestants. In multi culti UK why are Muslim British being asked to sacrifice anything to keep Northern Ireland in the UK. It’s not their fight. It’s not Polish Catholics fight either.

  86. The great and the good (who are overwhelmingly remain) are so arrogant and cut of that they have no idea how much they have undermined the credibility of the whole political edifice.

    They have called an election, given the population a clear choice and then done everything possible to ignore the result.

    As in the US, they are more concerned with transgender bathroom rights than universal literacy or the trade deficit. If you want to be regarded as ‘elite’, then sooner or later you’ve got to act like it.

    • Replies: @Hockamaw

    If you want to be regarded as ‘elite’, then sooner or later you’ve got to act like it.
     
    Excellent comment. They’re headed for a fall.
  87. @Altai
    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can't think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It's incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    It’s incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    Par for the course, some here would say.

    I have the rare privilege (for an observer) to have known the sceptered island quite well before thatcherism and only to have visited again afterwards – so perhaps the change was more shocking to me than to most.

  88. @Ancient Briton
    One can only hope ...septered isle and all that.
    Its Trafalgar Day on the 21st ... those were the days!

    s[c]eptered isle and all that.

    Septic Isle.

    • Agree: Bubba
  89. @jimmyriddle
    One of Thatcher's clever, Jewish accolytes, Oliver Letwin, just threw a spanner in the works.

    His ammendment supposedly forces Boris to ask for another extension. But whether Boris will do remains to be seen.


    Letwin was the chap who devised the Poll Tax, and hence killed Thatcher's political career.

    “Letwin was the chap who devised the Poll Tax, and hence killed Thatcher’s political career.”

    Clearly the Brits, like the Americans, believe in failing upward.

  90. Johnson needed a new deal to bring the European Reform Group (extreme Europhobe Tories) on board. The Europhobes plan to deregulate the UK economy in order to capture busines from teh EU with lower standards. He moved all the social democrat bits of EU harmonizaton from the actual Agreement to the Political Declaration (non binding). So cooperation on tax avoidance, social protections, environmental cooperation were all eliminated as legally binding. The UK could thus end up with something like No Deal. The price of this was to cooperate with the EU on honouring the Good Friday Agreement which brought peace to Northern Ireland. To do this meant putting a border in the Irish Sea. The Irish Unionists regard this as handing them over to the republic. Boris had actually promised at their annual conference, never to do this. So, to gain 28 ERG members, Bojo dumped 10 DUP members. He seemed to have thought they would abstain. He was a clown.

    The DUP have now switched to a hard Remain position.

    A group of Labour MPs, perhaps 19, were going to support the Johnson deal. However, it is now a radical deal aimed at destroying workers rights. This is slowly dawning on them. So, in order to gain 28 rebels in his own party with nowhere else to go, Boris has turned 29 members of other parties against him to greater or lesser degrees. The deal does not pleae Nigel Farage, the leaer of the Brexit party. This doesn’t matter in Parliament but in any general election it could be crucial.

    Boris’s chief political advisor, Dominic Cummings (the Steele dossier http://johnhelmer.net/is-dominic-cummings-a-sleeper-russian-agent-the-british-prime-ministers-mind-control-experts-secret-years-in-kgb-moscow/ The site seems to have been hacked so careful) probably doesn’t care. he thinks he was the mastermind behind the last referendum and can win the confirmatory referendum if it takes place, not to mention the following General Election. I don’t think he is that clever. Cummings was around at 9/11 by the way – Helmer doesn’t discuss that.

    Brexit is sinking in a sea of betrayal.

    • Replies: @A123

    The DUP have now switched to a hard Remain position.
     
    If the DUP opposed the Boris1 deal because it was too generous to the EU, how could that move the DUP to an ultra-left EU remain position?

    Is it not more likely that the DUP would join the "No Deal" Brexit group? That would seem to get them what they want.

    Brexit is sinking in a sea of betrayal.
     
    Brexit is getting stronger every day.

    The EU said it wouldn't negotiate the May Deal. Then it capitulated and negotiated the Boris1 Deal, which is failing in Parliment. With "regret" the PM is now going to go back to the EU with leverage to negotiate an even more favorable Boris2 Deal.

    Germany would have to pick up the entire tab for the UK contribution to the EU budget in the "No Deal" case, and Merkel cannot afford to let that happen. So, she is stuck having to concede more. Or, she can be so arrogant she forces "No Deal" pushing Germany into a recession.

    PEACE 😇
  91. @22pp22
    The workings of the EU have been made deliberately opaque. The honest truth is that we don't know. British politicians hate POMS as much as US politicians hate Americans. We will find out in a year or so how badly we have been conned. The fact that the Ulster Protestants (the most patriotic Brits) won't sign up to it is a very bad sign.

    I don't trust Bojo. He may be anti-EU, but he loves diversity.

    The worings of the EU are a great deal more transparent than those of Westminster as any local authority in a depressed region of the UK will tell you. Clear transparent processes that deliver the support required if you simply meet the criteria.

  92. @Reg Cæsar
    Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline "Europe: Just Leave, Already" last night? Can't find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond-- Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.

    [MORE]

    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.

    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”

    • Replies: @James Braxton
    What exactly do you mean by "stooge" and what is your evidence?
    , @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Granted, Tulsi may be correct on only one thing but that one thing is of utmost importance.

    She may (or may not) yet prove to be a very useful stalking horse.

    (And except for her complexion, she's a good looking woman. Germanic heritage?)
    , @Laurence Whelk
    Compared to the other Democratic possibles, Gabbard appears to be a normal semi-rational adult. That is why I hope she fails - I want the nuttiest double nutjob to be the Dem nominee.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Tusli is a Russian stooge.
     
    We're starting to see that as a feature, rather than a bug.
    , @AndrewR
    I prefer Russian stooges to Israeli ones like you
  93. @22pp22
    The great and the good (who are overwhelmingly remain) are so arrogant and cut of that they have no idea how much they have undermined the credibility of the whole political edifice.

    They have called an election, given the population a clear choice and then done everything possible to ignore the result.

    As in the US, they are more concerned with transgender bathroom rights than universal literacy or the trade deficit. If you want to be regarded as 'elite', then sooner or later you've got to act like it.

    If you want to be regarded as ‘elite’, then sooner or later you’ve got to act like it.

    Excellent comment. They’re headed for a fall.

  94. @Altai
    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can't think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It's incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    “ nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.”

    Scratch a socialist, out comes the antisemitism.

    Guess who else’s in on the conspiracy….

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    I will admit that I found Steve's fawning Thatcher adulation somewhat disconcerting. But that was years, actually decades, ago. Since then he's piped down on the overt Thatcherism.
    , @J.Ross
    Is this really the message you want to push given how Thatcher "benefitted" from her failing to follow A. Wyatt Mann's warning?
  95. @Lot
    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.



    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.


    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”

    What exactly do you mean by “stooge” and what is your evidence?

  96. @Lot
    “ nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.”

    Scratch a socialist, out comes the antisemitism.

    Guess who else’s in on the conspiracy....

    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

    https://i.imgur.com/4sPa3Rz.png

    Lot:

    I will admit that I found Steve’s fawning Thatcher adulation somewhat disconcerting. But that was years, actually decades, ago. Since then he’s piped down on the overt Thatcherism.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ Since then he’s piped down on the overt Thatcherism.”

    I never had a problem with Thatcherism as long as it was kept quiet and private. But these days Tories just prance around in public and rub everyone’s nose in their flaming Thatcherism.
  97. @Lot
    “ nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.”

    Scratch a socialist, out comes the antisemitism.

    Guess who else’s in on the conspiracy....

    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

    https://i.imgur.com/4sPa3Rz.png

    Is this really the message you want to push given how Thatcher “benefitted” from her failing to follow A. Wyatt Mann’s warning?

  98. OT. Is anyone following the rugby world cup? Does the Japanese team have a large number of mixed race players?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    They aren't even mixed race, their captain, Pieter Labuschagne, is a South African Boer, brother of Marnus who plays cricket for Australia. To be fair they do have a fair number of pretty decent full blooded Japs playing for them and most international rugby teams have a couple of Pacific Islanders playing for them. A fair number of rugby and cricket teams also have South Africans playing for them too, like Marnus for Australia, or Jason Roy, Kevin Pietersen or Jos Buttler for England.

    https://readsport.co/2019/09/20/the-labuschagnes-and-other-cross-sport-siblings/
  99. @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    I will admit that I found Steve's fawning Thatcher adulation somewhat disconcerting. But that was years, actually decades, ago. Since then he's piped down on the overt Thatcherism.

    “ Since then he’s piped down on the overt Thatcherism.”

    I never had a problem with Thatcherism as long as it was kept quiet and private. But these days Tories just prance around in public and rub everyone’s nose in their flaming Thatcherism.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Over here it's flaming Reaganism via the National Review crowd. El Cid lives!
  100. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    The problem is that most Protestants in Northern Ireland are descended from British colonists while most of the Catholics are descended from the indigenous Irish population. Colonialism is kind of unpopular these days – ask the Afrikaners – so most people are not going to have a lot of sympathy for the Protestant unionists. Of course, the unionists are free to move back to their beloved Britain anytime they want if they desire to be less hated by the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    It's more complicated than that as the Protestant surnames will tell you. Lots of them have gaelic surnames (with Mac as Mc). This is not just emigration from Scotland but also conversion and intermarriage, increasingly rare over time. Of course, the gaels in Scotland were descended from the Irish tribe, the Scots. Antrim in particular is a place joined to Scotland by the sea rather than separated. (until recent times water was the best form of bulk transport). Hence the dialect there is Scots-Irish.
  101. @Anon
    I don't see why the Ulster Prots even object to being part of Ireland any more; that would be the only effective way of depressing the Papist vote in Northern Ireland as the only people on Earth more anti-Catholic than the Ulster Presbyterians are the "Catholics" in the Republic.

    They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.
     
    That would be pretty ironic because the Irish-Irish and Irish-Americans were among the stronger Boer supporters in the Boer War and there was even an Irish contingent fighting with the Boers.

    Irish-Irish and Irish-Americans were among the stronger Boer supporters in the Boer War

    Any sources to back up this claim?

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Joe Walker:

    For starters check out John MacBride who fought the British in the Boer War (and was executed by the British in the Irish War of Independence).
  102. @Not Raul
    They aren't compatriots. They're Irish.

    The “Ulster Protestants” are not Irish. They are descended from British colonists. The Catholics are native Irish.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It's nowhere near that simple. I'm not going to spell it out for you, though, because I've done that here about fifty-eight times before.
    , @JMcG
    The Ulster Plantation started at almost exactly the same time as the Jamestown colony. Both my grandfathers held minor leadership positions with the IRA in the Anglo-Irish War. A brother of one of those grandfathers was killed on the first day of the Somme with the Royal Inniskillings.
    Culturally, I’m more attuned to the republican side, but a commenter above was correct when he pointed out that the Irish political class is likely more anti-Catholic than are the Unionists at this point.
    The changes in Ireland this past lock of years has been beyond belief.
    , @Ancient Briton
    Today's Scots originally came from Ireland ( the Scottii).
  103. @countenance
    Brussels mostly blinked at the last minute.

    How so? If Brussels blinked why is the new agreement so unpopular in Britain?

  104. @Lot
    “ Since then he’s piped down on the overt Thatcherism.”

    I never had a problem with Thatcherism as long as it was kept quiet and private. But these days Tories just prance around in public and rub everyone’s nose in their flaming Thatcherism.

    Lot:

    Over here it’s flaming Reaganism via the National Review crowd. El Cid lives!

    • Replies: @Lot
    We have an awesome El Cid statue here.

    http://bayimages.net/images/52/el-cid-statue-balboa-park-25752.jpg

    https://coolsandiegosights.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/img_5770a-el-cid-with-balboa-parks-house-of-hospitality-in-the-background.jpg?w=660
  105. The Brexit fight is UK deep state resistance remarkably like our deep state’s reaction to Trump.

    • Agree: Lot
  106. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    I think most Americans that could possibly care about Britain realize the place is a lost cause. I support Brexit but the odds of the UK regaining any self respect seems low.

    British tourists all come across as terrified and incapable of having a conversation about any topic. Current Brits are so different from the chatty, witty people of previous decades it is hard to believe they are the same people.

  107. @J.Ross
    Instead of EU Lucying the football, they pretended to like Boris's proposition, but only because they totally knew Boris's indispensable Northern Irish allies would do the Lucying this time, and they pretty much have to, because it drops a lot of customs and importing trouble on a depressed area that was promised to never have to deal with it (which is unrealistic, but then Boris shouldn't have promised something so unrealistic).
    Here it is: the EU has hypnotized the UK into thinking they have no sovereignty. As soon as the UK wakes up, they'll be fine. Nothing they do before waking will ever work.

    Trouble is not the UK’s supposed loss of sovereignty to the EU but rather the loss of ability to sabotage the EU once they Brexit.

    The following bit of British humour is not satire but open mockery:

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    The British elites don’t have European values, they have London values.
  108. @Lot
    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.



    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.


    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”

    Lot:

    Granted, Tulsi may be correct on only one thing but that one thing is of utmost importance.

    She may (or may not) yet prove to be a very useful stalking horse.

    (And except for her complexion, she’s a good looking woman. Germanic heritage?)

    • Replies: @Lot
    Tulsi is 5/16 Samoan and 11/16 white, mostly German.

    The similar combo of 1/4 indonesian and 3/4 Dutch can produce some exotic nearly-white beauties.

    If you want a sexy brunette in Congress, Kristi Noem and Elise Stefanik are hotter and far better in their voting records.

    https://republicansecuritycouncil.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kristinoem.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/elisemain.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200
    , @PhysicistDave
    Dan Hayes wrote:

    Granted, Tulsi may be correct on only one thing but that one thing is of utmost importance.
     
    It's more than that: Tulsi actually does not hate her fellow Americans.

    I voted against Georg McGovern in 1972; everyone in my family (including a bunch of Democrats) voted against McGovern in 1972. But we did not think he hated us. Nor did we hate him: we merely disagreed with his policies.

    The current Democratic Leftists hate or despise most of their fellow citizens. They do not actually respect even non-Asian minorities, gay people,, etc.: they merely use them for virtue signaling, and, above all, for racking up votes.

    Tulsi doesn't. Maybe Amy Klobuchar doesn't. But Hillary does and the people who dominate the Party (AOC and her squad, Antifa, etc.) most assuredly hate their fellow citizens.

    Culture trumps economics and politics. When people sense that someone does not simply disagree with them but rather views them with contempt... well, any sane person will react in kind.
  109. @Anonymous
    With all that aggro going on in Catalunya - which, characteristically, the EU is silent about, just imagine the EU barking if Russia/Turkey/China etc was doing it -, Brexit will likely be the least of the EU's worries.

    Plus you've got Erdogan having the EU by the balls threatening to 'enrich' Europe with another load of 'swarthy gentlemen'.

    Plus you’ve got Erdogan having the EU by the balls threatening to ‘enrich’ Europe with another load of ‘swarthy gentlemen’.

    One can only hope for such a thing to happen. Europe would either find its balls, and turn them all back (unlikely), or it would break the European Union apart for good. However much another refugee crisis would threaten the EU’s future, Europe’s supposed elite isn’t prepared to admit it was ever wrong, or that the people of Europe have any right to defend their homelands.

  110. @Joe Walker
    The "Ulster Protestants" are not Irish. They are descended from British colonists. The Catholics are native Irish.

    It’s nowhere near that simple. I’m not going to spell it out for you, though, because I’ve done that here about fifty-eight times before.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Aren't Ulster Presbyterians mostly transplants? If native Irish converted they would presumably tend to convert to the Anglican church as it brought prestige, whereas the Presbyterian church (in penal days, at least) did so to a much lesser extent.

    Of course this is only conjecture on my part and if you have evidence otherwise, that would be interesting.
  111. @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Over here it's flaming Reaganism via the National Review crowd. El Cid lives!

    We have an awesome El Cid statue here.

  112. @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Granted, Tulsi may be correct on only one thing but that one thing is of utmost importance.

    She may (or may not) yet prove to be a very useful stalking horse.

    (And except for her complexion, she's a good looking woman. Germanic heritage?)

    Tulsi is 5/16 Samoan and 11/16 white, mostly German.

    The similar combo of 1/4 indonesian and 3/4 Dutch can produce some exotic nearly-white beauties.

    If you want a sexy brunette in Congress, Kristi Noem and Elise Stefanik are hotter and far better in their voting records.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Thanks for the info and photos especially since I was previously unacquainted with these two "sexy brunettes".

    And for a previous post, thanks for the El Cid photos.

    , @snorlax
    Noem was elected Governor of South Dakota last year.

    Tulsi's better looking than either, but Joni Ernst and Cathy McMorris Rodgers aren't bad.

    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/dd/2dde4ade-c422-11e7-a2af-4bb041d43d3c/5a025abaf10f6.image.jpg

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/cathy/pages/297/attachments/original/1537899063/CMR_Old_Family_Photo.jpg

    If you want something that will haunt your dreams, check out the class of 2018 Democrat women, aka The Hills Have Eyes.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Mary_Gay_Scanlon%2C_official_portrait%2C_2018.jpg/413px-Mary_Gay_Scanlon%2C_official_portrait%2C_2018.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Sylvia_Garcia%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/480px-Sylvia_Garcia%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Susie_Lee%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/440px-Susie_Lee%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Katie_Porter%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/480px-Katie_Porter%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg
    , @nebulafox
    https://em.wattpad.com/9d12e0b1d69415e81a75d5e48b0581ead2209648/68747470733a2f2f732d6d656469612d63616368652d616b302e70696e696d672e636f6d2f373336782f32342f63652f38302f32346365383032306565613333336665323264316430396165313530303633382d2d616c65782d76616e2d68616c656e2d65646469652d76616e2d68616c656e2e6a7067?s=fit&h=360&w=360&q=80

    I don't know about beautiful, but...

    >95% or more of GOP voters share my general pro-Israel views.

    And 4% more are neither pro nor anti-Israel and deem it beneath the dignity of the United States to care about Semitic squabbling over inheritance issues. Call us the smart ones. ;)

    All kidding aside, though, the Democrats on the other hand... as American politics become more European in other ways, expect this issue to become more European, too. Schumer is 68, guys like him aren't going to be around forever. Jews are going to be regarded as White People by the Diverse, whether they want to be or not, and I suspect you'll see a lot more right-wing leaning Jews as that happens.

    , @Hail
    Tulsi Gabbard's 23andMe results (from her early-2019 segment on the Find Your Roots PBS TV program, the contents of which I summarized in an iSteve comment at the time [comm.-160]):

    _________________

    Tulsi Gabbard (born April 1981)

    68.7% European
    - 24.6% French and German
    - 21.4% British & Irish
    - 15% Broadly Northwestern European
    - 2.5% Eastern European
    - 2% Iberian
    - 1% Broadly Southern European
    - 2% Broadly European

    30.5% Non-European (23andMe reads this component as eight-tenths "Southeast Asian" and some "Oceanian"; 23andMe has no specific category for Samoans, but all or almost all of Tulsi's non-European ancestry is known to have been in Samoa by the mid-late 19th century, and presumably for centuries earlier)

    0.8% Unmatched

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzgOH4WWoAACUSW.jpg

    Tulsi's father is 5/8ths Samoan and 3/8ths White, with fairly long residence in the Pacific Islands (including some White New Zealand ancestry), with all paternal ancestry in the Pacific by 1920.

    Her mother's ancestry was not discussed on the show, except for one US Civil War ancestor five generations back, but information shown on screen shows her mother's paternal ancestry is non-German Pennyslvanian for quite a few generations, possibly/probably colonial. Her mother's maternal ancestry is German, in Kansas as of the early 20th century, likely of then-relatively-recent arrival in the US.

    Unlcear how much cultural inheritance there is from any of her 11/16 NW-European Protestant ancestral lines, because Tulsi herself, following her mother's faith-by-conversion, is a Hindu.

    And overall, Tulsi's ancestral mix is characteristic of something more than the sum of its parts: She is of what I would call "US military (=empire) ethnicity," and people of her sort are found all over the margins of the US military's soft empire.

    Tulsi Gabbard Segment One (8:45-12:00) — Straight out of the ‘gate,’ Gates lays out a narrative on Gabbard that would persist across all his Gabbard segments, namely that the U.S. military shapes Gabbard’s ancestry. This angle smoothly blends in with her own life story. (“Tulsi comes from a military family, and followed that same path herself.”)
     

    Gates comments [in a much later segment]: “The navy was the only reason he [paternal ancestor Benjamin Gabbard] was in Samoa. Without it, you’d have never been born!” [Pause] [Gabbard smiling and looking down] [Gates continues:] “So thank God for the Navy!” Gabbard: “Yes!”

    There’s that narrative again. All hail the empire!
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzgV3pkXcAAZ_wg.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzgV3pkWwAA_L6B.jpg
  113. @Joe Walker
    Irish-Irish and Irish-Americans were among the stronger Boer supporters in the Boer War

    Any sources to back up this claim?

    Joe Walker:

    For starters check out John MacBride who fought the British in the Boer War (and was executed by the British in the Irish War of Independence).

  114. @Lot
    Tulsi is 5/16 Samoan and 11/16 white, mostly German.

    The similar combo of 1/4 indonesian and 3/4 Dutch can produce some exotic nearly-white beauties.

    If you want a sexy brunette in Congress, Kristi Noem and Elise Stefanik are hotter and far better in their voting records.

    https://republicansecuritycouncil.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kristinoem.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/elisemain.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

    Lot:

    Thanks for the info and photos especially since I was previously unacquainted with these two “sexy brunettes”.

    And for a previous post, thanks for the El Cid photos.

  115. @Lot
    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.



    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.


    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”

    Compared to the other Democratic possibles, Gabbard appears to be a normal semi-rational adult. That is why I hope she fails – I want the nuttiest double nutjob to be the Dem nominee.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Laurence Whelk wrote:

    Compared to the other Democratic possibles, Gabbard appears to be a normal semi-rational adult. That is why I hope she fails – I want the nuttiest double nutjob to be the Dem nominee.
     
    Tulsi might actually defeat Trump, except that the Democratic Party oligarchs would intentionally take a dive just to maintain their control of the Party.

    However, I would like to see Tulsi expand her influence among the Dems. Sooner or later the Dems are going to retake the White House. Right now, the Democratic Party is no longer the party of FDR, Harry Truman, JFK, Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton. It is not even the party of George McGovern, Mike Dukakis, or Barack Obama.

    I disagreed with all the Democratic politicians I just mentioned. But, I do not think any of them hated America. And the dominant forces among the Dems today do hate America.

    It is not healthy for the oldest political party in the world to be losing its mind.
  116. @Altai
    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can't think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It's incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    Well it’s not just “the Jews.” John Derbyshire posted a video of the BBC show Question Time about a year ago. His purpose was to point out that Brits were happy with Brexit, even without a deal, and were tied of getting yanked around in the negotiations with the EU.

    But what I noticed about the video was that only the whites in it seem to have any enthusiasm for Brexit. The PoC’s were almost entirely anti-Brexit. There are 4-5 people of color in Row One: none are clapping. There’s an East Asian guy in Row Five: not clapping. There are two blacks and possibly an Asian in Row Six: the black woman is clapping politely but the other two are not.

    People with no ancestral ties to Britain have absolutely no reason to care about that country being dissolved and disappearing into Greater Europe. They just frankly don’t give a shit. Why should they? They moved there for money, not for the love of Britain, its culture, or its people. They don’t care a whit for the people of Britain and ethnic Brits should return the favor.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Also, slight oversimplification but not really: nonwhites don't have politics, they have patrones-clientes cliquing. They were told to oppose Brexit so they oppose Brexit. Before 2016 NPR ran a few stories about Mexican voters in Texas demonstrating Mexican electoral traditions, selling their votes for less than twenty dollars each through community fixers. The British nonwhites are almost never individuals (these exist but are statistically insignificant), they are nodes from some homogeneous community, with a politically dictating worship or community center, and clearly laid out marching orders.
  117. @Dan Hayes
    Lot:

    Granted, Tulsi may be correct on only one thing but that one thing is of utmost importance.

    She may (or may not) yet prove to be a very useful stalking horse.

    (And except for her complexion, she's a good looking woman. Germanic heritage?)

    Dan Hayes wrote:

    Granted, Tulsi may be correct on only one thing but that one thing is of utmost importance.

    It’s more than that: Tulsi actually does not hate her fellow Americans.

    I voted against Georg McGovern in 1972; everyone in my family (including a bunch of Democrats) voted against McGovern in 1972. But we did not think he hated us. Nor did we hate him: we merely disagreed with his policies.

    The current Democratic Leftists hate or despise most of their fellow citizens. They do not actually respect even non-Asian minorities, gay people,, etc.: they merely use them for virtue signaling, and, above all, for racking up votes.

    Tulsi doesn’t. Maybe Amy Klobuchar doesn’t. But Hillary does and the people who dominate the Party (AOC and her squad, Antifa, etc.) most assuredly hate their fellow citizens.

    Culture trumps economics and politics. When people sense that someone does not simply disagree with them but rather views them with contempt… well, any sane person will react in kind.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  118. @Reg Cæsar
    Was it WaPo or NYT with the headline "Europe: Just Leave, Already" last night? Can't find it this morning.

    Re Sexit, Syxit, or whatever, there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond-- Hillary claims Tulsi is a Russian Muppet; Marianne backs Tulsi:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


    Great! Thank you
    @HillaryClinton
    . You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a ...

    …there is a donkey catfight on our side of the Pond…

    LOL!

    Now if Tulsi would just dress up as Catwoman a lá Julie Newmar at the next debate I will definitely vote for her!

  119. Yes, they went there:

    Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592051/Shortage-pickers-leaves-50-million-apples-rotting-UK-orchards.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards
     
    That's not even one apple per capita.
  120. @Lot
    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.



    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.


    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”

    Tusli is a Russian stooge.

    We’re starting to see that as a feature, rather than a bug.

    • Agree: Haruto Rat
    • Replies: @Lot
    Sure better Russian stooge than open borders fanatic, but let’s not drop expectations so low yet.
  121. @Lurker
    Yes, they went there:

    Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards amid fears Brussels sprouts, cabbages and kale could also be affected

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592051/Shortage-pickers-leaves-50-million-apples-rotting-UK-orchards.html

    Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards

    That’s not even one apple per capita.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    Most come from Poland. (It used to be France until Russia applied sanctions on Poland).
  122. @Laurence Whelk
    Compared to the other Democratic possibles, Gabbard appears to be a normal semi-rational adult. That is why I hope she fails - I want the nuttiest double nutjob to be the Dem nominee.

    Laurence Whelk wrote:

    Compared to the other Democratic possibles, Gabbard appears to be a normal semi-rational adult. That is why I hope she fails – I want the nuttiest double nutjob to be the Dem nominee.

    Tulsi might actually defeat Trump, except that the Democratic Party oligarchs would intentionally take a dive just to maintain their control of the Party.

    However, I would like to see Tulsi expand her influence among the Dems. Sooner or later the Dems are going to retake the White House. Right now, the Democratic Party is no longer the party of FDR, Harry Truman, JFK, Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton. It is not even the party of George McGovern, Mike Dukakis, or Barack Obama.

    I disagreed with all the Democratic politicians I just mentioned. But, I do not think any of them hated America. And the dominant forces among the Dems today do hate America.

    It is not healthy for the oldest political party in the world to be losing its mind.

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
    That being said - I want the nuttiest nutjob or the feeblest feeb (Biden) up against Trump. Having a seemingly rational adult as the Dem nominee clouds the issue. I'm tempted to register as a Dem in California so I can vote in the Primary for Warren, since my Presidential vote here is without meaning.
  123. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    Why should Americans have any interest at all in that tiny bit of land called N. Ireland?

  124. @George
    See if you can figure out how the border between The Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, England/Scotland/Wales should work with UK out of the EU but Rep of Ireland in.

    Brexit and the Irish border
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_and_the_Irish_border

    Something I wonder about is migration issues. the French port of Calais was inundated with migrants attempting to cross into the UK. Eventually, the French relocated them within France. The French were generous to the UK as both France and UK were EU members. The UK also pays more into the EU than UK gets out. If the Calais situation recures I don't see why France will be generous to foreign nation UK. They would probably do what Turkey does, demand payment or set the migrants loose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle

    They would probably do what Turkey does, demand payment or set the migrants loose.

    In a parallel, saner, universe this would leave the migrants stuck forever no closer to the UK than the French coast. In this saner universe the French would then realise that, amazingly, there was no need to keep them in France at all.

  125. @Faraday's Bobcat
    Well, I support the Loyalist position. Not rabidly or anything - I wouldn't send them money - but the Republicans got their own decidedly Catholic state and if they didn't like living in an Anglican one then they were welcome to head south.

    Faraday’s Bobcat,

    Correction: Ulster is a Presbyterian statelet.

  126. @Johnny Los Negros
    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    “ the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.”

    The evangelical Christians from Russia who settled around Sacramento block vote GOP.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I believe Lana of Red Ice may be from this group.
  127. @Reg Cæsar

    Tusli is a Russian stooge.
     
    We're starting to see that as a feature, rather than a bug.

    Sure better Russian stooge than open borders fanatic, but let’s not drop expectations so low yet.

  128. 3512282

    Joni looks like a hot 80s/90s sitcom mom.

  129. @Lot
    Tulsi is 5/16 Samoan and 11/16 white, mostly German.

    The similar combo of 1/4 indonesian and 3/4 Dutch can produce some exotic nearly-white beauties.

    If you want a sexy brunette in Congress, Kristi Noem and Elise Stefanik are hotter and far better in their voting records.

    https://republicansecuritycouncil.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kristinoem.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/elisemain.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

    Noem was elected Governor of South Dakota last year.

    Tulsi’s better looking than either, but Joni Ernst and Cathy McMorris Rodgers aren’t bad.

    If you want something that will haunt your dreams, check out the class of 2018 Democrat women, aka The Hills Have Eyes.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Pericles

    If you want something that will haunt your dreams, check out the class of 2018 Democrat women, aka The Hills Have Eyes.

     

    Aaargh! You're right!
    , @Charles Pewitt

    Tulsi’s better looking than either, but Joni Ernst and Cathy McMorris Rodgers aren’t bad.

     

    Cathy McMorris Rodgers has a hot, shapely figure; but, McMorris Rodgers is a go along to get along politician stooge who pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    Some of you mathematical and artist types could figure out how and why McMorris Rodgers's curves function together in such a lovely manner.
  130. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hereward the Woke
    Someone should inform the Ulster Protestants.

    Well, they could go back to England or Scotland. There is also Australia and Canada, and for a long while the US. I’d have no problem with taking a half million white educated Ulster Protestants into the US personally.

    A better solution would be to redo the island as a unified constitutional republic in which religion was not a state issue.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Anonymous[247]:

    The current Irish Republic is not religious, as a matter of fact it's anti-religious!

  131. @Charles Pewitt
    Hillary Clinton is an evil and unpatriotic baby boomer globalizer who pushes endless, unnecessary overseas war, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams, mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration, monetary policies and banking policies that reward bankers and plutocrats and harms workers and Hillary Clinton pushes totalitarian speech restrictions that protects the ruling class of the American Empire.

    Tulsi Gabbard is a soldier and statesman who wants to do what is in the best interest of the United States of America. Gabbard has enough humane forbearance that she wouldn't go bananas after being called a statesman; Hillary Clinton would go full-bore baby boomer feminist freakout haywire if called the same.

    Tulsi Gabbard supports FREE SPEECH and Gabbard desires some wisdom and patriotic vision in the formulation of foreign policy.

    Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the endless and unnecessary overseas war that leads to the shedding of much blood and the wasting of much treasure. Tulsi Gabbard wants to stop the waste of blood and treasure that has been the recent outcome of the endless interventionism of the American Empire.

    I disagree extremely strongly with Tulsi Gabbard on immigration policy and other policies, but Tulsi Gabbard, to me, is a good German and a good Pacific Islander and a good American!

    Hillary Clinton is an evil baby boomer globalizer bastard who does everything in her power to push policies that only benefits the plutocrats and the transnational corporations and the globalizers and the financializers and all the other Mammonite trash in the ruling class.

    Is Hillary Clinton attacking Tulsi Gabbard because Gabbard has German blood? Tulsi Gabbard has German blood from Indiana and I think her Samoan father has some German blood.

    Is Hillary Clinton an anti-German bigot of the worst sort, or what?

    GO TO HELL -- HILLARY CLINTON -- YOU UNPATRIOTIC BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER TREASONITE BASTARD!

    AND THAT GOES FOR BABY BOOMER GLOBALIZER EPSTEIN PAL BILL CLINTON TOO!

    Tulsi Gabbard is nowt but another Leftist wacko. She may not be quite as wacky as Sanders, Harris, or Fauxcahontas, but a Leftist wacko nonetheless.

  132. @Philip Owen
    Johnson needed a new deal to bring the European Reform Group (extreme Europhobe Tories) on board. The Europhobes plan to deregulate the UK economy in order to capture busines from teh EU with lower standards. He moved all the social democrat bits of EU harmonizaton from the actual Agreement to the Political Declaration (non binding). So cooperation on tax avoidance, social protections, environmental cooperation were all eliminated as legally binding. The UK could thus end up with something like No Deal. The price of this was to cooperate with the EU on honouring the Good Friday Agreement which brought peace to Northern Ireland. To do this meant putting a border in the Irish Sea. The Irish Unionists regard this as handing them over to the republic. Boris had actually promised at their annual conference, never to do this. So, to gain 28 ERG members, Bojo dumped 10 DUP members. He seemed to have thought they would abstain. He was a clown.

    The DUP have now switched to a hard Remain position.

    A group of Labour MPs, perhaps 19, were going to support the Johnson deal. However, it is now a radical deal aimed at destroying workers rights. This is slowly dawning on them. So, in order to gain 28 rebels in his own party with nowhere else to go, Boris has turned 29 members of other parties against him to greater or lesser degrees. The deal does not pleae Nigel Farage, the leaer of the Brexit party. This doesn't matter in Parliament but in any general election it could be crucial.

    Boris's chief political advisor, Dominic Cummings (the Steele dossier http://johnhelmer.net/is-dominic-cummings-a-sleeper-russian-agent-the-british-prime-ministers-mind-control-experts-secret-years-in-kgb-moscow/ The site seems to have been hacked so careful) probably doesn't care. he thinks he was the mastermind behind the last referendum and can win the confirmatory referendum if it takes place, not to mention the following General Election. I don't think he is that clever. Cummings was around at 9/11 by the way - Helmer doesn't discuss that.

    Brexit is sinking in a sea of betrayal.

    The DUP have now switched to a hard Remain position.

    If the DUP opposed the Boris1 deal because it was too generous to the EU, how could that move the DUP to an ultra-left EU remain position?

    Is it not more likely that the DUP would join the “No Deal” Brexit group? That would seem to get them what they want.

    Brexit is sinking in a sea of betrayal.

    Brexit is getting stronger every day.

    The EU said it wouldn’t negotiate the May Deal. Then it capitulated and negotiated the Boris1 Deal, which is failing in Parliment. With “regret” the PM is now going to go back to the EU with leverage to negotiate an even more favorable Boris2 Deal.

    Germany would have to pick up the entire tab for the UK contribution to the EU budget in the “No Deal” case, and Merkel cannot afford to let that happen. So, she is stuck having to concede more. Or, she can be so arrogant she forces “No Deal” pushing Germany into a recession.

    PEACE 😇

  133. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Dot's just adorable.


    Let's not caste aspersions. We'll be sari.

    The groom has a simple lei in mind, but the bride is dressed for anil intercourse. Is she trying to curry favor?

    I can't think of henna more to say...
  134. @Lot
    “ the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.”

    The evangelical Christians from Russia who settled around Sacramento block vote GOP.

    I believe Lana of Red Ice may be from this group.

  135. @PhysicistDave
    Laurence Whelk wrote:

    Compared to the other Democratic possibles, Gabbard appears to be a normal semi-rational adult. That is why I hope she fails – I want the nuttiest double nutjob to be the Dem nominee.
     
    Tulsi might actually defeat Trump, except that the Democratic Party oligarchs would intentionally take a dive just to maintain their control of the Party.

    However, I would like to see Tulsi expand her influence among the Dems. Sooner or later the Dems are going to retake the White House. Right now, the Democratic Party is no longer the party of FDR, Harry Truman, JFK, Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton. It is not even the party of George McGovern, Mike Dukakis, or Barack Obama.

    I disagreed with all the Democratic politicians I just mentioned. But, I do not think any of them hated America. And the dominant forces among the Dems today do hate America.

    It is not healthy for the oldest political party in the world to be losing its mind.

    That being said – I want the nuttiest nutjob or the feeblest feeb (Biden) up against Trump. Having a seemingly rational adult as the Dem nominee clouds the issue. I’m tempted to register as a Dem in California so I can vote in the Primary for Warren, since my Presidential vote here is without meaning.

  136. @Anonymous
    Americans don't seem to be the slightest bit interested in Brexit, their political elites only seem to take an interest when Ireland is complaining, which is to be expected from the country that largely funded the IRA.

    The crazy thing is that the hopes of most Brexiteers seem to be based on the belief that we are going to get a great trade deal from America and somehow be treated as a honourary state or something, yet in reality Americans don't seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    Americans don’t seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.

    Anon, you are clueless about America and Americans.

    Americans–white ones–generally are “pro-British” in the general ancestry, culture and allies-who-fought-some-wars-together sense.

    Americans–mostly just those with a good bit of Irish descent, like myself–are “pro-Irish” in the ancestry, St. Paddy’s day, drink beer sense. (If that.)

    Ireland does not remotely control or gate US policy toward Britain, much less trade policy.

    And assessing American’s feelings about Britain by “support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland”–a place 90% of Amerians are unaware of and whose political issues 99% of Americans are clueless about (and are deeply trivial in terms of population, land area and ideology)–is one of the most bizarre metrics for political assessment i’ve ever heard.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    But it does seem like you have a new Greatest Ally.
    , @MBlanc46
    Absolutely, AD. I’m less than one-eighth (not counting the Irish), but I’m more an Anglophile than a Germanophile or Francophile. I speak the language (it’s my mother tongue, as a NC senator once put it), and I date my liberties from 1215, not 1789. 1607 and 1620 are the founding dates of my nation. Although he’s become unfashionable among many on the right, I still consider Churchill the greatest nan of the 20th century.
    , @Alden
    You’re right. I believe anonymous is a fire breathing Calvinist admirer of Thomas Cromwell and his great great nephew Oliver.

    There are ranches and farms in the US larger than N Ireland, let alone many counties and most Indian reservations. Why should we care?
  137. @Wilkey
    Well it's not just "the Jews." John Derbyshire posted a video of the BBC show Question Time about a year ago. His purpose was to point out that Brits were happy with Brexit, even without a deal, and were tied of getting yanked around in the negotiations with the EU.

    But what I noticed about the video was that only the whites in it seem to have any enthusiasm for Brexit. The PoC's were almost entirely anti-Brexit. There are 4-5 people of color in Row One: none are clapping. There's an East Asian guy in Row Five: not clapping. There are two blacks and possibly an Asian in Row Six: the black woman is clapping politely but the other two are not.

    People with no ancestral ties to Britain have absolutely no reason to care about that country being dissolved and disappearing into Greater Europe. They just frankly don't give a shit. Why should they? They moved there for money, not for the love of Britain, its culture, or its people. They don't care a whit for the people of Britain and ethnic Brits should return the favor.

    Also, slight oversimplification but not really: nonwhites don’t have politics, they have patrones-clientes cliquing. They were told to oppose Brexit so they oppose Brexit. Before 2016 NPR ran a few stories about Mexican voters in Texas demonstrating Mexican electoral traditions, selling their votes for less than twenty dollars each through community fixers. The British nonwhites are almost never individuals (these exist but are statistically insignificant), they are nodes from some homogeneous community, with a politically dictating worship or community center, and clearly laid out marching orders.

  138. @Anonymous
    Well, they could go back to England or Scotland. There is also Australia and Canada, and for a long while the US. I'd have no problem with taking a half million white educated Ulster Protestants into the US personally.

    A better solution would be to redo the island as a unified constitutional republic in which religion was not a state issue.

    Anonymous[247]:

    The current Irish Republic is not religious, as a matter of fact it’s anti-religious!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The current Irish Republic is not religious, as a matter of fact it’s anti-religious!
     
    Not much of a republic, either:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland


    As far as "Irish", they don't make Micks like Éamon de Valera anymore. Or Bernardo O'Higgins.
  139. @Laurence Whelk
    http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/indiawest.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/2c/02c08e00-dfe3-11e4-a557-a70df83a5aa0/55286cea752c0.image.jpg

    Dot’s just adorable.

    Let’s not caste aspersions. We’ll be sari.

    The groom has a simple lei in mind, but the bride is dressed for anil intercourse. Is she trying to curry favor?

    I can’t think of henna more to say…

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Lurker
    Who's sari now. . .
  140. @Joe Walker
    The "Ulster Protestants" are not Irish. They are descended from British colonists. The Catholics are native Irish.

    The Ulster Plantation started at almost exactly the same time as the Jamestown colony. Both my grandfathers held minor leadership positions with the IRA in the Anglo-Irish War. A brother of one of those grandfathers was killed on the first day of the Somme with the Royal Inniskillings.
    Culturally, I’m more attuned to the republican side, but a commenter above was correct when he pointed out that the Irish political class is likely more anti-Catholic than are the Unionists at this point.
    The changes in Ireland this past lock of years has been beyond belief.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The changes in Ireland this past lock of years has been beyond belief.
     
    I believe the regular expression "grotesque, unprecedented, bizarre, and unbelievable" was coined by an Irishman, Conor Cruise O'Brien, and appears repeatedly in the work (fiction and nonfiction) of Harold Covington.

    Covington was a student of revolution in general and of the IRA in particular and his observations are well worth reading. That is not to say he was not highly critical of the IRA in many respects. Ultimately, they got bought off, which was a victory in one sense for them (it beat getting stamped out by the SAS) but failed to achieve the ultimate objective.

    He did introduce me and several others to the excellent music of Stan Rogers, (I'd heard his novelty song "White Collar Holler" on Demento, but nothing more significant, before that) and especially this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwld86XndSY
  141. @Dan Hayes
    Anonymous[247]:

    The current Irish Republic is not religious, as a matter of fact it's anti-religious!

    The current Irish Republic is not religious, as a matter of fact it’s anti-religious!

    Not much of a republic, either:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    As far as “Irish”, they don’t make Micks like Éamon de Valera anymore. Or Bernardo O’Higgins.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Reg Caesar:

    Unfortunately, today's Irish have learned to dislike/disdain de Valera on the basis of a movie, Neil Jordan's "Michael Collins".

    One Englishman who greatly respected deV was Lord Kenneth Clark of "Civilisation" fame.
  142. @Reg Cæsar
    Dot's just adorable.


    Let's not caste aspersions. We'll be sari.

    The groom has a simple lei in mind, but the bride is dressed for anil intercourse. Is she trying to curry favor?

    I can't think of henna more to say...

    Who’s sari now. . .

  143. Anonymous[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I think a lot of the problem with English people in regards to Brexit is that they are too laid back politically. They have a natural sense of "fair play" that everything will sort itself out in the end so therefore are unlikely to protest on the streets in large numbers or get particularly angry about things.

    English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have, English people in contrast are more inclined to be very critical of their role in history and overly critical on their history I would say.

    More Londoners protested Trump’s visit in 2018 than all other protests put together since, probably.

    I was in London when Trump was there. The streets were packed with sign wavers for miles. Impressive turnout, to say the least. A million + probably. But they did not “look like London.” They were overwhelmingly white and affluent, though their biggest objections to POTUS’s visit were “racism” “xenophobia” and the like. Seemingly, spectator-sport style interest in our affairs has replaced interest in their own domestic affairs, to which they’d become completely aloof, for a certain class of Englishperson.

    Are the Trump protests during his state visits an unprecedented phenomenon?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Sounds like all the cattle on the plantation turned out.
    , @Alden
    I have English relatives by marriage. It’s not just them but all their friends. “ Your children are so well behaved. One would hardly think they’re American.” “ your favorite author is Evelyn Waugh? But Americans don’t read”

    And best of all

    “ There’s is no public transit in New York City”
    “Have you ever been there” “ No, but I’ve been told by an impeccable source”. This ignorance by a Peterhouse college grad. It’s a Cambridge university college, for the best and brightest
  144. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast
    It's nowhere near that simple. I'm not going to spell it out for you, though, because I've done that here about fifty-eight times before.

    Aren’t Ulster Presbyterians mostly transplants? If native Irish converted they would presumably tend to convert to the Anglican church as it brought prestige, whereas the Presbyterian church (in penal days, at least) did so to a much lesser extent.

    Of course this is only conjecture on my part and if you have evidence otherwise, that would be interesting.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    If native Irish converted they would presumably tend to convert to the Anglican church ...

    Yes, my father's and my maternal grandmother's families were both Anglican (Church of Ireland) with Irish surnames. My maternal grandfather was Irish-Canadian Catholic (killed in Normandy '44) and my maternal step-grandfather was an Anglican descendant of the Germans who settled here in Nova Scotia in the mid-18th century. We Irish Protestants apparently emigrated at a higher rate than Irish Catholics.

    As for contemporary Ireland, they seem to be hellbent on trying to catch up with Canada and Sweden in the great White suicide pact. There's no talking to them out of it either.
    , @Alden
    Ulster Protestants were transplanted 400 years ago by King James 1. 490 years later they’re natives whether they like it or not
  145. @Johnny Los Negros
    Personally, I would like it if all the Ulster Protestants moved to the U.S. They, along with the Boers, are just about the only group from abroad that I can think of who I would expect to vote Republican if they came to the U.S.

    Russians, Orthodox Jews, Cubans, and Persian men all lean Republican. It’s a big tent!

  146. @Reg Cæsar

    The current Irish Republic is not religious, as a matter of fact it’s anti-religious!
     
    Not much of a republic, either:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland


    As far as "Irish", they don't make Micks like Éamon de Valera anymore. Or Bernardo O'Higgins.

    Reg Caesar:

    Unfortunately, today’s Irish have learned to dislike/disdain de Valera on the basis of a movie, Neil Jordan’s “Michael Collins”.

    One Englishman who greatly respected deV was Lord Kenneth Clark of “Civilisation” fame.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    They don’t make Englishmen like they used to.
  147. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    The Ulster Plantation started at almost exactly the same time as the Jamestown colony. Both my grandfathers held minor leadership positions with the IRA in the Anglo-Irish War. A brother of one of those grandfathers was killed on the first day of the Somme with the Royal Inniskillings.
    Culturally, I’m more attuned to the republican side, but a commenter above was correct when he pointed out that the Irish political class is likely more anti-Catholic than are the Unionists at this point.
    The changes in Ireland this past lock of years has been beyond belief.

    The changes in Ireland this past lock of years has been beyond belief.

    I believe the regular expression “grotesque, unprecedented, bizarre, and unbelievable” was coined by an Irishman, Conor Cruise O’Brien, and appears repeatedly in the work (fiction and nonfiction) of Harold Covington.

    Covington was a student of revolution in general and of the IRA in particular and his observations are well worth reading. That is not to say he was not highly critical of the IRA in many respects. Ultimately, they got bought off, which was a victory in one sense for them (it beat getting stamped out by the SAS) but failed to achieve the ultimate objective.

    He did introduce me and several others to the excellent music of Stan Rogers, (I’d heard his novelty song “White Collar Holler” on Demento, but nothing more significant, before that) and especially this:

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Conor Cruise O'Brien was the John The Baptist of the secular cultural revolution that broke out a few decades later.

    O'Brien who endlessly ranted for democracy imposed draconian restrictions in his position as overseer of posts & telegraphs!
  148. @Altai
    His parents were the children of Ukrainian Jews from Kiev who settled in the midwest. Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself) Apparently they were both graduate students at the LSE and settled permanently in London. Both helped make the LSE economics department the nonsense factory that helped spawn Thatcherism.

    I can't think of single individuals who did more to undermine Britain in recent times more than Letwin. It's incredible that despite his ancestors not staying in one very long he feels entitled to personally decide the fate of Britain in this manner.

    Both were academic economists who helped to bring the Chicago school ideas to the UK. (His mother studied under Hayek himself)

    F.A. von Hayek was teaching at LSE from 1931 to 1950, way before he ended up in Chicago.

    Did Hayek had some new insight/innovation after he moved to Chicago that he didn’t taught to his students in LSE? That Hayek taught to Shirley Robin Letwin something unique to bring back to his old haunt in UK?

    I think it’s more of the other way around. The Letwins settled in LSE because Hayek had enough influence/string-pulling to place his acolytes in his old school to entrench his influence/ideas.

  149. For me at least, the Brexit drama is far more interesting and far more optimistic than what’s been happening in American politics over the last six months or so.

    Push comes to shove, there may or may not be Brexit and if there is, it’s anybody’s guess what the surrounding conditions or circumstances will be. But just from a fan’s point of view, it’s fun to watch the day-to-day maneuvering of politics being done with some minimal amount of competence, and sometimes even with real savvy and intelligence.

    It’s also important to understand that in the UK, the “Trump problem” cuts the other way. There’s a significant number of UK MPs (and a corresponding demographic in the country) who support Remain but who aren’t willing to countenance the promotion of Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn to Prime Minister, even for an hour or a week or some otherwise ceremonial circumstance except for the purpose of stalling Brexit and then having a general election.

    Eg, there was a poll done maybe 2 months ago, where Boris Johnson’s approval rating was 38% in favor and 44% opposed, a margin of -6%, respectable though not particularly good. But Mr Corbyn’s margin was something lik 70% in the red, and more or less unique to him, in the sense that other Labour Party figures would have done much better. This has created at least an inch of maneuvering room for the government and Boris Johnson may or may not end up being able to deliver Brexit as a consequence.

  150. @Dieter Kief
    There is no winner or loser yet. Parliament has to decide over Johnson's exit-treaty. We have to be patient.

    Except for that: That Brexit might be a step closer to being realized is no reason for the big media machine to make a big sound, because - if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.

    if Brexit would actually happen, the globalists would have lost an important battle.

    If Brexit would actually happen, one faction of the globalists would have lost an important battle. The other faction of the globalists (the free-trade free-market faction) would have won an important battle.

    Either way the British people will lose.

  151. I’m going to die and come back as Tulsi’s surf board.

  152. @Anonymous
    More Londoners protested Trump’s visit in 2018 than all other protests put together since, probably.

    I was in London when Trump was there. The streets were packed with sign wavers for miles. Impressive turnout, to say the least. A million + probably. But they did not “look like London.” They were overwhelmingly white and affluent, though their biggest objections to POTUS’s visit were “racism” “xenophobia” and the like. Seemingly, spectator-sport style interest in our affairs has replaced interest in their own domestic affairs, to which they’d become completely aloof, for a certain class of Englishperson.

    Are the Trump protests during his state visits an unprecedented phenomenon?

    Sounds like all the cattle on the plantation turned out.

  153. @AndrewR
    https://youtu.be/XrJnfDjWdCQ

    Couldn't care less about Brexit but Yang seems to have stolen your idea about the supreme court (starting at 2:38)

    Supreme Court reform:

    Have the Supremes ditch their drab old Muumuu [1] outfits and try something with a bright floral pattern. It might help offset their pretensions.

    Counterinsurgency

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muumuu

  154. @Anon
    I never cease to be amazed at how far the left has pushed itself out on a limb, and they keep scooting out even more. Every time I run into a lefty these days, they utter the most amazing twaddle with no insight into how crazy they sound.

    Most of these people are members of a very dogmatic cult, but they have no clue that they're members. Part of what keeps them in is the embarrassment and social pain factor. If they leave, they'll have to face the fact that they've been wrong about a lot for a long time, and they know their liberal friends will ostracize them. They don't have enough moral courage to face reality and leave.

    Most of these people are members of a very dogmatic cult, but they have no clue that they’re members. Part of what keeps them in is the embarrassment and social pain factor. If they leave, they’ll have to face the fact that they’ve been wrong about a lot for a long time, and they know their liberal friends will ostracize them. They don’t have enough moral courage to face reality and leave.

    Which is why New England (Yankeedom) is allied with NYC (New Netherland)[1]. The Yankeedom residence organized themselves as a moral community. This community is defined by altruism towards people they don’t interact with to justify hostility towards their neighbors [2], whom they punish for not displaying the same altruism as the Yankeedom residents show. New Netherland provides the moral justification and indoctrination, New Netherland converts that moral justification and indoctrination to money which in turn supports Yankeedom institutions.
    One seldom sees a successful political arrangement that fails to reward its supporters financially.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] http://www.colinwoodard.com/files/ColinWoodard_AmericanNations_map.pdf

    2] Kevin McDonald.
    _Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition_
    Amazon.com Prime free book.

  155. @Anonymous

    The changes in Ireland this past lock of years has been beyond belief.
     
    I believe the regular expression "grotesque, unprecedented, bizarre, and unbelievable" was coined by an Irishman, Conor Cruise O'Brien, and appears repeatedly in the work (fiction and nonfiction) of Harold Covington.

    Covington was a student of revolution in general and of the IRA in particular and his observations are well worth reading. That is not to say he was not highly critical of the IRA in many respects. Ultimately, they got bought off, which was a victory in one sense for them (it beat getting stamped out by the SAS) but failed to achieve the ultimate objective.

    He did introduce me and several others to the excellent music of Stan Rogers, (I'd heard his novelty song "White Collar Holler" on Demento, but nothing more significant, before that) and especially this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwld86XndSY

    Conor Cruise O’Brien was the John The Baptist of the secular cultural revolution that broke out a few decades later.

    O’Brien who endlessly ranted for democracy imposed draconian restrictions in his position as overseer of posts & telegraphs!

  156. A lot of Brexiteers don’t seem to understand that leaving the EU is probably just going to get the country flooded with more third world immigrants than ever, in fact Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have said that immigration will be increased from India in particular. In regards to EU immigration, mass immigration from Poland, etc, has reached its maximum, and is probably declining so if Brexit was a protest against that it is over 10 years too late.

    Also, Brexiteers seem to just want to leave the EU bloc and go straight into the USA bloc, many almost seem to want to be treated as a honourary US state or something. That’s not real independence. Brexit seems like a working class reaction to every day problems and grievances without much understanding of international politics and who is really running things. The UK has been flooded with mass immigration since the end of WW2, and that was the British government doing that, nothing to do with the EU yet most Brexiteers don’t seem to understand that.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Also, Brexiteers seem to just want to leave the EU bloc and go straight into the USA bloc, many almost seem to want to be treated as a honourary US state or something. That’s not real independence.
     
    Britain will be ruled from Washington rather than Brussels. Which will actually be considerably worse for the British people.

    After WW2 the British lost their self-confidence and their self-respect. Much of that was due to Churchill's toadying to the Americans. Churchill's pathetic belief in the Special Relationship which was based on a delusion (that British and American interests would always coincide) and wishful thinking. Churchill's inane fantasies about the English Speaking Peoples were especially dangerous.

    Of course Britain's grovelling to the US just increased American contempt for Britain.

    Brexit seems like a working class reaction to every day problems and grievances without much understanding of international politics and who is really running things.
     
    It started that way, as a disorganised movement of resentment over Britain's political and moral decline. But people like Farage and Boris Johnson are not just globalists, they are a particularly nasty kind of neoliberal globalist. Brexit in practice will lead to full-bore neoliberalism.
  157. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    I can forsee England itself Balkanising eventually, perhaps along city-state lines with surrounding areas (as that tends to be the main identifier in England). The country is completely split politically in addition to the fact England is a very atomised society to begin with and there is no real cultural or racial unity there.

  158. @snorlax
    Noem was elected Governor of South Dakota last year.

    Tulsi's better looking than either, but Joni Ernst and Cathy McMorris Rodgers aren't bad.

    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/dd/2dde4ade-c422-11e7-a2af-4bb041d43d3c/5a025abaf10f6.image.jpg

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/cathy/pages/297/attachments/original/1537899063/CMR_Old_Family_Photo.jpg

    If you want something that will haunt your dreams, check out the class of 2018 Democrat women, aka The Hills Have Eyes.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Mary_Gay_Scanlon%2C_official_portrait%2C_2018.jpg/413px-Mary_Gay_Scanlon%2C_official_portrait%2C_2018.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Sylvia_Garcia%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/480px-Sylvia_Garcia%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Susie_Lee%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/440px-Susie_Lee%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Katie_Porter%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/480px-Katie_Porter%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    If you want something that will haunt your dreams, check out the class of 2018 Democrat women, aka The Hills Have Eyes.

    Aaargh! You’re right!

  159. @JMcG
    I had no idea that Letwin is a Jew. Why am I so completely unsurprised?

    Letwin is acting on behalf of Lord Pannick, a Jewish ‘human rights’ lawyer.

    Brexit will happen now, Johnson got a good deal. Like its twin Russiagate, the bad guys will be getting their comeuppance.

  160. @AnotherDad

    Americans don’t seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.
     
    Anon, you are clueless about America and Americans.

    Americans--white ones--generally are "pro-British" in the general ancestry, culture and allies-who-fought-some-wars-together sense.

    Americans--mostly just those with a good bit of Irish descent, like myself--are "pro-Irish" in the ancestry, St. Paddy's day, drink beer sense. (If that.)

    Ireland does not remotely control or gate US policy toward Britain, much less trade policy.

    And assessing American's feelings about Britain by "support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland"--a place 90% of Amerians are unaware of and whose political issues 99% of Americans are clueless about (and are deeply trivial in terms of population, land area and ideology)--is one of the most bizarre metrics for political assessment i've ever heard.

    But it does seem like you have a new Greatest Ally.

  161. @jay ritchie
    OT. Is anyone following the rugby world cup? Does the Japanese team have a large number of mixed race players?

    They aren’t even mixed race, their captain, Pieter Labuschagne, is a South African Boer, brother of Marnus who plays cricket for Australia. To be fair they do have a fair number of pretty decent full blooded Japs playing for them and most international rugby teams have a couple of Pacific Islanders playing for them. A fair number of rugby and cricket teams also have South Africans playing for them too, like Marnus for Australia, or Jason Roy, Kevin Pietersen or Jos Buttler for England.

    https://readsport.co/2019/09/20/the-labuschagnes-and-other-cross-sport-siblings/

  162. @Lot
    Tusli is a Russian stooge. And aside from this, she’s a standard issue Pelosi leftist. Her big debate moment was attacking Harris as too hard on black crime!

    Below are quotes from her “issues” page.



    Her issues page says “100% renewable energy by 2035” which is a dumb joke.
    Really, shut down every single gas and coal plant in the entire USA in 16 years?

    “Ban private prisons”

    Mostly meaningless, also violates states’ rights.


    “Tulsi’s support of gun control has led to her rating of 100% by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, along with an “F” rating from the NRA ”
    “Free college”
    “Tulsi has led the fight for GMO labeling”
    “Tulsi is urgently fighting for legislation to protect millions of young people from deportation with end of DACA (Deferred Actions for Childhood Arrivals)
    Tulsi has worked with the Hawai’i ACLU, Hawai’i Civil Rights Coalition, Hawai’i Coalition for Immigrant Rights and the National Immigration Law Center to work towards meaningful immigration reform”
    “Refugees from Central America are also a result of decades of U.S. regime change war, drug wars and exploitative economic policy”
    “Tulsi stated, “The Trump Administration’s use of children as pawns in the immigration debate is despicable and must end now.””
    “one of the strongest voices in Congress to work for the respect and equality of people of Muslim faith.
    Tulsi was invited by Muslims for Peace to be the keynote speaker for “Prophet Mohammed Day” at Rutgers University. Tulsi’s inspiring message emphasizes the need for religious peace and unity.
    Tulsi respects the Prophet Mohammed as a representative of God: “As a Vaishnava Hindu…I recognize and respect both Jesus Christ and the Prophet Mohammed as messengers of God, messengers of love, peace, and universal brotherhood.”
    As someone who has vigorously fought for religious freedom and tolerance, Tulsi has taken a strong stand against Islamophobia in all its ugly forms
    Tulsi has spoken against Islamophobic statements by President Trump, Senator Lindsey Graham and Ben Carson
    Tulsi defended Muslims from Ben Carson’s outrageously bigoted statement during the 2016 presidential primary…”
    “She is a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House
    Tulsi has been given a 100% for her voting record and endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby organization in the country”
    “Tulsi strongly supports the Medicare for All Act ”
    “Tulsi is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 377 – Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures women equal pay for equal work”

    I prefer Russian stooges to Israeli ones like you

    • Replies: @Lot
    95% or more of GOP voters share my general pro-Israel views.

    Israel was our staunch ally in the Cold War while Putin was a KGB agent spreading their ideology of murderous communism.

    And I am not terribly close in views to Israel either. For example, among the Muslims, I prefer Assad and Iran over the Saudis. I also think Jews should leave Hebron entirely as they did with Gaza.

    I also don’t think much of the Hebrew language or Jewish religion. I think the Zionists should have chosen English or German as their national language and adopted Christianity. British evangelicals in Israel did a good job of creating a mode of Christianity that is centered on the Gospels but preserves many of the old Jewish holidays and customs.
  163. @George
    See if you can figure out how the border between The Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, England/Scotland/Wales should work with UK out of the EU but Rep of Ireland in.

    Brexit and the Irish border
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_and_the_Irish_border

    Something I wonder about is migration issues. the French port of Calais was inundated with migrants attempting to cross into the UK. Eventually, the French relocated them within France. The French were generous to the UK as both France and UK were EU members. The UK also pays more into the EU than UK gets out. If the Calais situation recures I don't see why France will be generous to foreign nation UK. They would probably do what Turkey does, demand payment or set the migrants loose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle

    Constantly amazed that these illegal get trough to the UK, wouldn’t it be great if we were, you know, like an island or something?

  164. @22pp22
    The workings of the EU have been made deliberately opaque. The honest truth is that we don't know. British politicians hate POMS as much as US politicians hate Americans. We will find out in a year or so how badly we have been conned. The fact that the Ulster Protestants (the most patriotic Brits) won't sign up to it is a very bad sign.

    I don't trust Bojo. He may be anti-EU, but he loves diversity.

    I don’t trust Bojo. He may be anti-EU, but he loves diversity.

    Partly Turk, partly Jew, he is diversity.

  165. @Anonymous
    I think a lot of the problem with English people in regards to Brexit is that they are too laid back politically. They have a natural sense of "fair play" that everything will sort itself out in the end so therefore are unlikely to protest on the streets in large numbers or get particularly angry about things.

    English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have, English people in contrast are more inclined to be very critical of their role in history and overly critical on their history I would say.

    ‘English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have’

    Spending hundereds of years being the victimisers and oppressors may have something to do with that.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    Lethal stuff that afternoon tea and crumpets!
  166. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of British leftists take a very dim view of their own country, probably more so than leftists in any other Western countries. Almost any atrocity you could point to anywhere in the world, most British leftists would argue that Britain has done worse at some point in its history. They believe that Britain is the most morally reprehensible nation on earth and that anyone from anywhere is better than the native British (particularly English) by default.

    The only country that is comparable is left wing Germans who hate their country because of Nazi war crimes, but I don’t think even they despise their own country and people as much as left wing British people do. A lot of them think that it is better to be a vassal state of the EU because by default they think that being ruled by the EU, in effect Germany and France, is morally superior to being ruled from London by what they see as the British government/establishment.

  167. @Europe Nationalist
    A lot of Brexiteers don't seem to understand that leaving the EU is probably just going to get the country flooded with more third world immigrants than ever, in fact Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have said that immigration will be increased from India in particular. In regards to EU immigration, mass immigration from Poland, etc, has reached its maximum, and is probably declining so if Brexit was a protest against that it is over 10 years too late.

    Also, Brexiteers seem to just want to leave the EU bloc and go straight into the USA bloc, many almost seem to want to be treated as a honourary US state or something. That's not real independence. Brexit seems like a working class reaction to every day problems and grievances without much understanding of international politics and who is really running things. The UK has been flooded with mass immigration since the end of WW2, and that was the British government doing that, nothing to do with the EU yet most Brexiteers don't seem to understand that.

    Also, Brexiteers seem to just want to leave the EU bloc and go straight into the USA bloc, many almost seem to want to be treated as a honourary US state or something. That’s not real independence.

    Britain will be ruled from Washington rather than Brussels. Which will actually be considerably worse for the British people.

    After WW2 the British lost their self-confidence and their self-respect. Much of that was due to Churchill’s toadying to the Americans. Churchill’s pathetic belief in the Special Relationship which was based on a delusion (that British and American interests would always coincide) and wishful thinking. Churchill’s inane fantasies about the English Speaking Peoples were especially dangerous.

    Of course Britain’s grovelling to the US just increased American contempt for Britain.

    Brexit seems like a working class reaction to every day problems and grievances without much understanding of international politics and who is really running things.

    It started that way, as a disorganised movement of resentment over Britain’s political and moral decline. But people like Farage and Boris Johnson are not just globalists, they are a particularly nasty kind of neoliberal globalist. Brexit in practice will lead to full-bore neoliberalism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Churchill was American. It's one of the reasons he was regarded with suspicion by British conservatives at a time when Britain still saw America as a rival. Churchill's toadying to America is something I expect to see criticized by old school British Tories, not Americans.
  168. @AnotherDad

    Americans don’t seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.
     
    Anon, you are clueless about America and Americans.

    Americans--white ones--generally are "pro-British" in the general ancestry, culture and allies-who-fought-some-wars-together sense.

    Americans--mostly just those with a good bit of Irish descent, like myself--are "pro-Irish" in the ancestry, St. Paddy's day, drink beer sense. (If that.)

    Ireland does not remotely control or gate US policy toward Britain, much less trade policy.

    And assessing American's feelings about Britain by "support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland"--a place 90% of Amerians are unaware of and whose political issues 99% of Americans are clueless about (and are deeply trivial in terms of population, land area and ideology)--is one of the most bizarre metrics for political assessment i've ever heard.

    Absolutely, AD. I’m less than one-eighth (not counting the Irish), but I’m more an Anglophile than a Germanophile or Francophile. I speak the language (it’s my mother tongue, as a NC senator once put it), and I date my liberties from 1215, not 1789. 1607 and 1620 are the founding dates of my nation. Although he’s become unfashionable among many on the right, I still consider Churchill the greatest nan of the 20th century.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Being pro-British doesn't seem to be fashionable with the left or right at all these days. The left favour the Franco-German Empire that is the EU and the right favour the right wing conservatism and civic nationalism of Russia and Eastern Europe.

    The idea of a strong Britain independent of the EU and leading a resurgent Anglosphere does not seem to have won much favour from anywhere on the political spectrum, especially outside of the UK itself.
    , @Alden
    My ancestors, authenticated BTW, landed in America December 1619. I consider Churchill nothing more than a well paid Zionist Israeli spy.

    Unlike many, I’m neutral on WW2, neither pro German nor pro the opposition.

    And 1215, Magna Carta was nothing more than a charter for unlimited local rule by warlords instead of rule by a national government.

    If you knew how much the English despise Americans, you wouldn’t admire them so much.

    Mark Twain called it Walter Scott disease.
  169. @Anon
    Aren't Ulster Presbyterians mostly transplants? If native Irish converted they would presumably tend to convert to the Anglican church as it brought prestige, whereas the Presbyterian church (in penal days, at least) did so to a much lesser extent.

    Of course this is only conjecture on my part and if you have evidence otherwise, that would be interesting.

    If native Irish converted they would presumably tend to convert to the Anglican church …

    Yes, my father’s and my maternal grandmother’s families were both Anglican (Church of Ireland) with Irish surnames. My maternal grandfather was Irish-Canadian Catholic (killed in Normandy ’44) and my maternal step-grandfather was an Anglican descendant of the Germans who settled here in Nova Scotia in the mid-18th century. We Irish Protestants apparently emigrated at a higher rate than Irish Catholics.

    As for contemporary Ireland, they seem to be hellbent on trying to catch up with Canada and Sweden in the great White suicide pact. There’s no talking to them out of it either.

  170. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @MBlanc46
    Absolutely, AD. I’m less than one-eighth (not counting the Irish), but I’m more an Anglophile than a Germanophile or Francophile. I speak the language (it’s my mother tongue, as a NC senator once put it), and I date my liberties from 1215, not 1789. 1607 and 1620 are the founding dates of my nation. Although he’s become unfashionable among many on the right, I still consider Churchill the greatest nan of the 20th century.

    Being pro-British doesn’t seem to be fashionable with the left or right at all these days. The left favour the Franco-German Empire that is the EU and the right favour the right wing conservatism and civic nationalism of Russia and Eastern Europe.

    The idea of a strong Britain independent of the EU and leading a resurgent Anglosphere does not seem to have won much favour from anywhere on the political spectrum, especially outside of the UK itself.

  171. @snorlax
    Noem was elected Governor of South Dakota last year.

    Tulsi's better looking than either, but Joni Ernst and Cathy McMorris Rodgers aren't bad.

    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/omaha.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/dd/2dde4ade-c422-11e7-a2af-4bb041d43d3c/5a025abaf10f6.image.jpg

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/cathy/pages/297/attachments/original/1537899063/CMR_Old_Family_Photo.jpg

    If you want something that will haunt your dreams, check out the class of 2018 Democrat women, aka The Hills Have Eyes.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Mary_Gay_Scanlon%2C_official_portrait%2C_2018.jpg/413px-Mary_Gay_Scanlon%2C_official_portrait%2C_2018.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Sylvia_Garcia%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/480px-Sylvia_Garcia%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Susie_Lee%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/440px-Susie_Lee%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Katie_Porter%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg/480px-Katie_Porter%2C_official_portrait%2C_116th_Congress.jpg

    Tulsi’s better looking than either, but Joni Ernst and Cathy McMorris Rodgers aren’t bad.

    Cathy McMorris Rodgers has a hot, shapely figure; but, McMorris Rodgers is a go along to get along politician stooge who pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    Some of you mathematical and artist types could figure out how and why McMorris Rodgers’s curves function together in such a lovely manner.

  172. Even though it famously has not happened yet, Brexit is causing APPLES ROTTING IN THE ORCHARD!

  173. @AnotherDad

    Americans don’t seem very pro-British at all and are certainly not going to undermine the EU to trade with Britain and are unlikely to even negotiate with Britain at all if Ireland remains unhappy. I have never once heard an American express any support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland, that just about sums up the reality in my opinion.
     
    Anon, you are clueless about America and Americans.

    Americans--white ones--generally are "pro-British" in the general ancestry, culture and allies-who-fought-some-wars-together sense.

    Americans--mostly just those with a good bit of Irish descent, like myself--are "pro-Irish" in the ancestry, St. Paddy's day, drink beer sense. (If that.)

    Ireland does not remotely control or gate US policy toward Britain, much less trade policy.

    And assessing American's feelings about Britain by "support for the loyalist position in Northern Ireland"--a place 90% of Amerians are unaware of and whose political issues 99% of Americans are clueless about (and are deeply trivial in terms of population, land area and ideology)--is one of the most bizarre metrics for political assessment i've ever heard.

    You’re right. I believe anonymous is a fire breathing Calvinist admirer of Thomas Cromwell and his great great nephew Oliver.

    There are ranches and farms in the US larger than N Ireland, let alone many counties and most Indian reservations. Why should we care?

  174. @MBlanc46
    Absolutely, AD. I’m less than one-eighth (not counting the Irish), but I’m more an Anglophile than a Germanophile or Francophile. I speak the language (it’s my mother tongue, as a NC senator once put it), and I date my liberties from 1215, not 1789. 1607 and 1620 are the founding dates of my nation. Although he’s become unfashionable among many on the right, I still consider Churchill the greatest nan of the 20th century.

    My ancestors, authenticated BTW, landed in America December 1619. I consider Churchill nothing more than a well paid Zionist Israeli spy.

    Unlike many, I’m neutral on WW2, neither pro German nor pro the opposition.

    And 1215, Magna Carta was nothing more than a charter for unlimited local rule by warlords instead of rule by a national government.

    If you knew how much the English despise Americans, you wouldn’t admire them so much.

    Mark Twain called it Walter Scott disease.

  175. @Anonymous
    More Londoners protested Trump’s visit in 2018 than all other protests put together since, probably.

    I was in London when Trump was there. The streets were packed with sign wavers for miles. Impressive turnout, to say the least. A million + probably. But they did not “look like London.” They were overwhelmingly white and affluent, though their biggest objections to POTUS’s visit were “racism” “xenophobia” and the like. Seemingly, spectator-sport style interest in our affairs has replaced interest in their own domestic affairs, to which they’d become completely aloof, for a certain class of Englishperson.

    Are the Trump protests during his state visits an unprecedented phenomenon?

    I have English relatives by marriage. It’s not just them but all their friends. “ Your children are so well behaved. One would hardly think they’re American.” “ your favorite author is Evelyn Waugh? But Americans don’t read”

    And best of all

    “ There’s is no public transit in New York City”
    “Have you ever been there” “ No, but I’ve been told by an impeccable source”. This ignorance by a Peterhouse college grad. It’s a Cambridge university college, for the best and brightest

  176. @Anon
    Aren't Ulster Presbyterians mostly transplants? If native Irish converted they would presumably tend to convert to the Anglican church as it brought prestige, whereas the Presbyterian church (in penal days, at least) did so to a much lesser extent.

    Of course this is only conjecture on my part and if you have evidence otherwise, that would be interesting.

    Ulster Protestants were transplanted 400 years ago by King James 1. 490 years later they’re natives whether they like it or not

  177. @Joe Walker
    The "Ulster Protestants" are not Irish. They are descended from British colonists. The Catholics are native Irish.

    Today’s Scots originally came from Ireland ( the Scottii).

  178. @Anonymous

    The strange thing is the whole Brexit debacle is merely a backlash against a previous Labour Administration’s madcap (Economist) immigration policy.
     
    Have you seen the movie "Brexit," with Benedict Cumberbatch as Leave leader Dominic Cummings? It is a thoroughly anti-Brexit screed (though it does occasionally give the Leave team some huzzahs). It mentions the Leave sides so-called lie about Turkey sending millions of immigrants Britain's way if it ever does join the EU.

    It never mentions the refugee invasion that was still going on at that very moment. It never mentions Turkey's use of that crisis to nudge closer to EU accession, or the fact that the EU has been telling Turkey for decades that it has a real shot at membership. It never mentions the tens of thousands of African "refugees" sitting in France trying to steal their way into Britain.

    It makes much of the supposed racism of white Britons and the murder of MP Jo Cox but never mentions the 2011 race riots, the tube bombings, the Glasgow Airport attack, the broad daylight murder of British soldier Lee Rigby, the Rotterham and related rape scandals, or all of the other terrorist acts committed by Muslims, particularly in France and the USA. The Leave Campaign and its 17.5 million voters were responsible for one crazed man who murdered an MP but only 3 million Muslims were innocent of the far more numerous terrorist acts being committesd by their co-religionists in the name of their religion.

    It claims that Leave's estimate of a million or more Turks coming to Britain if Turkey joins the EU is a lie, yet never mentions the lie told by Tony Blair. Before immigration controls were lifted Prime Minister Tony Blair predicted that only 15,000 Eastern Europeans would move to Britain annually. In less than eight years over 700,000 of them moved to Britain. Turkey has twice the population of Poland and its per capita income is only 60% that of Poland's. So there is every reason to think that Leave's estimate of a million Turks in a decade was not only fair, but probably even conservative.

    The only country that promoted Turkey’s membership was the UK. It was part of the Tory right’s project to weaken the EU by expanding it.

  179. @Pheasant
    'English people also seem to lack the eternal victim complex that many nationalities have'

    Spending hundereds of years being the victimisers and oppressors may have something to do with that.

    Lethal stuff that afternoon tea and crumpets!

  180. @George
    See if you can figure out how the border between The Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, England/Scotland/Wales should work with UK out of the EU but Rep of Ireland in.

    Brexit and the Irish border
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_and_the_Irish_border

    Something I wonder about is migration issues. the French port of Calais was inundated with migrants attempting to cross into the UK. Eventually, the French relocated them within France. The French were generous to the UK as both France and UK were EU members. The UK also pays more into the EU than UK gets out. If the Calais situation recures I don't see why France will be generous to foreign nation UK. They would probably do what Turkey does, demand payment or set the migrants loose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle

    Not just that. EU rule for dealing with asylum seekers is “first safe country”. So Greece, Italy and Spain take the main hit. The UN rule is refugee choice. So Eu countries will be in their rights to pass refugees to the UK. Meanwhile, an open border with NI will all economic migrants to cross without checks.

    I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.

    • Replies: @A123

    The UN rule is refugee choice. So Eu countries will be in their rights to pass refugees to the UK. .... I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.
     
    Actually, the Brexiter position is quite sound:

    #1 -- The unelected elites of the U.N. have neither credibility nor authority. Any 'refugee' claiming non-existent U.N. non-rights will be laughed at and mocked.

    #2 -- Most of the 'refugees' are actually economic migrants that want free stuff. All the UK has to do is provide no food, no housing, no cash, and no anything else. That would immediately end 90%+ of the problem.

    The next PM after Boris could make the sanctions even stronger. Charge £ 10,ooo per person asylum application fee. Anyone who doesn't pay the fee is immediately sent back across the border they illegally crossed to enter the U.K.
    ____

    Ultimately, the EU will carry 100% if the cost if they do not enforce migration laws. Seeing the damage done to Germany by Merkel's mass migration "Great Replacement" theology, Ireland will keep the grifters out of their country.

    PEACE 😇
    , @dfordoom

    I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.
     
    Brexit expressed an emotional longing for the good old days. Cricket matches on the village green. Offering cups of tea and cucumber sandwiches to the vicar. Shops in the High Street selling fish and chips rather than curries. A pint of bitter (not litres!) at the pub. Stuff upper lips. Wogs begin at Calais. The Battle of Britain. Policemen who were friendly bobbies rather than enforcers of a police state. Britannia ruling the waves. The sun never setting on the British Empire.

    I can understand and even sympathise with some at least of these feelings. It was in most ways a better world.

    There was also long standing bitterness abut the war. They supposedly won but didn't derive any benefit from it. In fact they faced endless humiliations. The loss of the Empire. The complete humiliation of Suez. And then being overrun by immigrants. It was particularly galling to see the French and the Germans doing well in the postwar world. A lot of the dislike of the EU comes from the idea of it as the new German Reich.

    And even though pretty much everything wrong with Britain is the fault of successive British governments it's much easier to blame everything on foreigners.

    There's also the fact that the British political system clearly doesn't work and offers no genuine alternatives but again it's easier to blame the EU.

    But the saddest part is the number of Leavers who actually thought the Tories could be trusted to bring back that vanished world in which Britain was a great power and a free country. And some of those Leavers have even convinced themselves they can trust Boris Johnson. It's tragic and pathetic.
  181. @AndrewR
    I prefer Russian stooges to Israeli ones like you

    95% or more of GOP voters share my general pro-Israel views.

    Israel was our staunch ally in the Cold War while Putin was a KGB agent spreading their ideology of murderous communism.

    And I am not terribly close in views to Israel either. For example, among the Muslims, I prefer Assad and Iran over the Saudis. I also think Jews should leave Hebron entirely as they did with Gaza.

    I also don’t think much of the Hebrew language or Jewish religion. I think the Zionists should have chosen English or German as their national language and adopted Christianity. British evangelicals in Israel did a good job of creating a mode of Christianity that is centered on the Gospels but preserves many of the old Jewish holidays and customs.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty. Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us. Israel provided the Soviets with information on our nuclear submarine fleet provided by its spies in the USG.
    Staunch ally is pretty rich.
  182. @Joe Walker
    The problem is that most Protestants in Northern Ireland are descended from British colonists while most of the Catholics are descended from the indigenous Irish population. Colonialism is kind of unpopular these days - ask the Afrikaners - so most people are not going to have a lot of sympathy for the Protestant unionists. Of course, the unionists are free to move back to their beloved Britain anytime they want if they desire to be less hated by the rest of the world.

    It’s more complicated than that as the Protestant surnames will tell you. Lots of them have gaelic surnames (with Mac as Mc). This is not just emigration from Scotland but also conversion and intermarriage, increasingly rare over time. Of course, the gaels in Scotland were descended from the Irish tribe, the Scots. Antrim in particular is a place joined to Scotland by the sea rather than separated. (until recent times water was the best form of bulk transport). Hence the dialect there is Scots-Irish.

  183. @Reg Cæsar

    Shortage of fruit pickers leaves 50 million apples rotting in UK orchards
     
    That's not even one apple per capita.

    Most come from Poland. (It used to be France until Russia applied sanctions on Poland).

  184. @Lot
    Tulsi is 5/16 Samoan and 11/16 white, mostly German.

    The similar combo of 1/4 indonesian and 3/4 Dutch can produce some exotic nearly-white beauties.

    If you want a sexy brunette in Congress, Kristi Noem and Elise Stefanik are hotter and far better in their voting records.

    https://republicansecuritycouncil.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kristinoem.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/elisemain.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

    https://em.wattpad.com/9d12e0b1d69415e81a75d5e48b0581ead2209648/68747470733a2f2f732d6d656469612d63616368652d616b302e70696e696d672e636f6d2f373336782f32342f63652f38302f32346365383032306565613333336665323264316430396165313530303633382d2d616c65782d76616e2d68616c656e2d65646469652d76616e2d68616c656e2e6a7067?s=fit&h=360&w=360&q=80

    I don’t know about beautiful, but…

    >95% or more of GOP voters share my general pro-Israel views.

    And 4% more are neither pro nor anti-Israel and deem it beneath the dignity of the United States to care about Semitic squabbling over inheritance issues. Call us the smart ones. 😉

    All kidding aside, though, the Democrats on the other hand… as American politics become more European in other ways, expect this issue to become more European, too. Schumer is 68, guys like him aren’t going to be around forever. Jews are going to be regarded as White People by the Diverse, whether they want to be or not, and I suspect you’ll see a lot more right-wing leaning Jews as that happens.

  185. @Philip Owen
    Not just that. EU rule for dealing with asylum seekers is "first safe country". So Greece, Italy and Spain take the main hit. The UN rule is refugee choice. So Eu countries will be in their rights to pass refugees to the UK. Meanwhile, an open border with NI will all economic migrants to cross without checks.

    I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.

    The UN rule is refugee choice. So Eu countries will be in their rights to pass refugees to the UK. …. I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.

    Actually, the Brexiter position is quite sound:

    #1 — The unelected elites of the U.N. have neither credibility nor authority. Any ‘refugee’ claiming non-existent U.N. non-rights will be laughed at and mocked.

    #2 — Most of the ‘refugees’ are actually economic migrants that want free stuff. All the UK has to do is provide no food, no housing, no cash, and no anything else. That would immediately end 90%+ of the problem.

    The next PM after Boris could make the sanctions even stronger. Charge £ 10,ooo per person asylum application fee. Anyone who doesn’t pay the fee is immediately sent back across the border they illegally crossed to enter the U.K.
    ____

    Ultimately, the EU will carry 100% if the cost if they do not enforce migration laws. Seeing the damage done to Germany by Merkel’s mass migration “Great Replacement” theology, Ireland will keep the grifters out of their country.

    PEACE 😇

  186. @Lot
    95% or more of GOP voters share my general pro-Israel views.

    Israel was our staunch ally in the Cold War while Putin was a KGB agent spreading their ideology of murderous communism.

    And I am not terribly close in views to Israel either. For example, among the Muslims, I prefer Assad and Iran over the Saudis. I also think Jews should leave Hebron entirely as they did with Gaza.

    I also don’t think much of the Hebrew language or Jewish religion. I think the Zionists should have chosen English or German as their national language and adopted Christianity. British evangelicals in Israel did a good job of creating a mode of Christianity that is centered on the Gospels but preserves many of the old Jewish holidays and customs.

    Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty. Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us. Israel provided the Soviets with information on our nuclear submarine fleet provided by its spies in the USG.
    Staunch ally is pretty rich.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty.”

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?

    “ Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us.”

    Lol, yeah we had a bunch of plutonium and they just jacked it at gunpoint. Maybe we should’ve not hired that Paul Blart to guard our nukes.
    , @Lot
    It’s funny how the Jewspiracy retards think that Israel managed to successfully false flag 9-11 but couldn’t sink a single nearly unarmed ship off their own coast and pit it on Egypt. (Why? So the US would enter a war Israel won completely in six days?)
  187. @byrresheim
    Trouble is not the UK's supposed loss of sovereignty to the EU but rather the loss of ability to sabotage the EU once they Brexit.

    The following bit of British humour is not satire but open mockery:

    https://youtu.be/37iHSwA1SwE

    The British elites don’t have European values, they have London values.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  188. @Dan Hayes
    Reg Caesar:

    Unfortunately, today's Irish have learned to dislike/disdain de Valera on the basis of a movie, Neil Jordan's "Michael Collins".

    One Englishman who greatly respected deV was Lord Kenneth Clark of "Civilisation" fame.

    They don’t make Englishmen like they used to.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  189. @Lot
    Tulsi is 5/16 Samoan and 11/16 white, mostly German.

    The similar combo of 1/4 indonesian and 3/4 Dutch can produce some exotic nearly-white beauties.

    If you want a sexy brunette in Congress, Kristi Noem and Elise Stefanik are hotter and far better in their voting records.

    https://republicansecuritycouncil.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kristinoem.jpg

    https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/elisemain.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

    Tulsi Gabbard’s 23andMe results (from her early-2019 segment on the Find Your Roots PBS TV program, the contents of which I summarized in an iSteve comment at the time [comm.-160]):

    _________________

    Tulsi Gabbard (born April 1981)

    68.7% European
    – 24.6% French and German
    – 21.4% British & Irish
    – 15% Broadly Northwestern European
    – 2.5% Eastern European
    – 2% Iberian
    – 1% Broadly Southern European
    – 2% Broadly European

    30.5% Non-European (23andMe reads this component as eight-tenths “Southeast Asian” and some “Oceanian”; 23andMe has no specific category for Samoans, but all or almost all of Tulsi’s non-European ancestry is known to have been in Samoa by the mid-late 19th century, and presumably for centuries earlier)

    0.8% Unmatched

    Tulsi’s father is 5/8ths Samoan and 3/8ths White, with fairly long residence in the Pacific Islands (including some White New Zealand ancestry), with all paternal ancestry in the Pacific by 1920.

    Her mother’s ancestry was not discussed on the show, except for one US Civil War ancestor five generations back, but information shown on screen shows her mother’s paternal ancestry is non-German Pennyslvanian for quite a few generations, possibly/probably colonial. Her mother’s maternal ancestry is German, in Kansas as of the early 20th century, likely of then-relatively-recent arrival in the US.

    Unlcear how much cultural inheritance there is from any of her 11/16 NW-European Protestant ancestral lines, because Tulsi herself, following her mother’s faith-by-conversion, is a Hindu.

    And overall, Tulsi’s ancestral mix is characteristic of something more than the sum of its parts: She is of what I would call “US military (=empire) ethnicity,” and people of her sort are found all over the margins of the US military’s soft empire.

    [MORE]

    Tulsi Gabbard Segment One (8:45-12:00) — Straight out of the ‘gate,’ Gates lays out a narrative on Gabbard that would persist across all his Gabbard segments, namely that the U.S. military shapes Gabbard’s ancestry. This angle smoothly blends in with her own life story. (“Tulsi comes from a military family, and followed that same path herself.”)

    Gates comments [in a much later segment]: “The navy was the only reason he [paternal ancestor Benjamin Gabbard] was in Samoa. Without it, you’d have never been born!” [Pause] [Gabbard smiling and looking down] [Gates continues:] “So thank God for the Navy!” Gabbard: “Yes!”

    There’s that narrative again. All hail the empire!

  190. @JMcG
    Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty. Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us. Israel provided the Soviets with information on our nuclear submarine fleet provided by its spies in the USG.
    Staunch ally is pretty rich.

    “ Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty.”

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?

    “ Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us.”

    Lol, yeah we had a bunch of plutonium and they just jacked it at gunpoint. Maybe we should’ve not hired that Paul Blart to guard our nukes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?
     
    Whatever else you believe about the Israel-US relationship, there is no question that the Liberty was attacked on purpose with the knowledge it was a US ship and that the intent was to sink it with all hands.

    That isn't to say that it was a particularly premeditated or well thought out attack. Had Israel been planning to sink a US ship ahead of time for some purpose they probably would have succeeded. They are reasonably competent.

    It was an ad hoc measure ordered out of poor judgment, true enough. But if any other nation had done it it would have been prima facie casus belli, that is absolutely without question. And in at least several other cases, had it succeeded, two men in a bunker somewhere in the Dakotas would probably have been ordered to turn two keys at the same time over the matter. At the very least naval bombardment and/or a B-52 attack would have ensued.

    I don't advocate bombing Israel over the matter at this time,that would be stupid. I do advocate that it be made clear to all and sundry that Israel is a separate nation from the US with separate and sometimes different, even opposing interests , and dealing with them like any other nation. No person holding dual citizenship with Israel or any other country should be allowed to hold elective office in the US.

    Christian Zionist preachers should be ridiculed and it should be made clear that no one will be prosecuted for tarring and feathering them, and for-profit businesses like Bott radio should have their FCC licensure questioned for airing CZ religious broadcasting without at least offering equal time to anti-CZ preachers. And the $PLC and ADL (Admirers of Dalitz and Lansky) should be stripped of their tax exempt status.
    , @JMcG
    Zalman Shapiro of NUMEC, in Pennsylvania got hundreds of pounds of fissionable material to Israel. Perhaps your argument is that the Johnson administration winked and held the door open while it was done, but nonetheless, Israel, our “ally” stole it from us.
  191. @JMcG
    Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty. Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us. Israel provided the Soviets with information on our nuclear submarine fleet provided by its spies in the USG.
    Staunch ally is pretty rich.

    It’s funny how the Jewspiracy retards think that Israel managed to successfully false flag 9-11 but couldn’t sink a single nearly unarmed ship off their own coast and pit it on Egypt. (Why? So the US would enter a war Israel won completely in six days?)

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I’m not a retard of any stripe. Israel is not the USA. They are not our ally in any way, shape, or form.
  192. @Philip Owen
    Not just that. EU rule for dealing with asylum seekers is "first safe country". So Greece, Italy and Spain take the main hit. The UN rule is refugee choice. So Eu countries will be in their rights to pass refugees to the UK. Meanwhile, an open border with NI will all economic migrants to cross without checks.

    I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.

    I am not sure that Brexiters have thought this one out.

    Brexit expressed an emotional longing for the good old days. Cricket matches on the village green. Offering cups of tea and cucumber sandwiches to the vicar. Shops in the High Street selling fish and chips rather than curries. A pint of bitter (not litres!) at the pub. Stuff upper lips. Wogs begin at Calais. The Battle of Britain. Policemen who were friendly bobbies rather than enforcers of a police state. Britannia ruling the waves. The sun never setting on the British Empire.

    I can understand and even sympathise with some at least of these feelings. It was in most ways a better world.

    There was also long standing bitterness abut the war. They supposedly won but didn’t derive any benefit from it. In fact they faced endless humiliations. The loss of the Empire. The complete humiliation of Suez. And then being overrun by immigrants. It was particularly galling to see the French and the Germans doing well in the postwar world. A lot of the dislike of the EU comes from the idea of it as the new German Reich.

    And even though pretty much everything wrong with Britain is the fault of successive British governments it’s much easier to blame everything on foreigners.

    There’s also the fact that the British political system clearly doesn’t work and offers no genuine alternatives but again it’s easier to blame the EU.

    But the saddest part is the number of Leavers who actually thought the Tories could be trusted to bring back that vanished world in which Britain was a great power and a free country. And some of those Leavers have even convinced themselves they can trust Boris Johnson. It’s tragic and pathetic.

  193. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    “ Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty.”

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?

    “ Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us.”

    Lol, yeah we had a bunch of plutonium and they just jacked it at gunpoint. Maybe we should’ve not hired that Paul Blart to guard our nukes.

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?

    Whatever else you believe about the Israel-US relationship, there is no question that the Liberty was attacked on purpose with the knowledge it was a US ship and that the intent was to sink it with all hands.

    That isn’t to say that it was a particularly premeditated or well thought out attack. Had Israel been planning to sink a US ship ahead of time for some purpose they probably would have succeeded. They are reasonably competent.

    It was an ad hoc measure ordered out of poor judgment, true enough. But if any other nation had done it it would have been prima facie casus belli, that is absolutely without question. And in at least several other cases, had it succeeded, two men in a bunker somewhere in the Dakotas would probably have been ordered to turn two keys at the same time over the matter. At the very least naval bombardment and/or a B-52 attack would have ensued.

    I don’t advocate bombing Israel over the matter at this time,that would be stupid. I do advocate that it be made clear to all and sundry that Israel is a separate nation from the US with separate and sometimes different, even opposing interests , and dealing with them like any other nation. No person holding dual citizenship with Israel or any other country should be allowed to hold elective office in the US.

    Christian Zionist preachers should be ridiculed and it should be made clear that no one will be prosecuted for tarring and feathering them, and for-profit businesses like Bott radio should have their FCC licensure questioned for airing CZ religious broadcasting without at least offering equal time to anti-CZ preachers. And the $PLC and ADL (Admirers of Dalitz and Lansky) should be stripped of their tax exempt status.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Israel paid over $12 million in compensation for the attack on the USS Liberty.
    , @snorlax
    Out of curiosity, which of these other incidents fit the description "there is no question that the [name of ship or aircraft] was attacked on purpose with the knowledge it was a [ship or aircraft belonging to a particular nationality] and that the intent was to [destroy] it with all hands"?

    1) USS Panay, 1937: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Panay_incident
    2) MV Patria, 1940: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_disaster
    3) MV Struma, 1942: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struma_disaster
    4) MV Mefküre, 1944: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Mefküre
    5) El Al Flight 402, 1955: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_402
    6) USS Maddox, 1964: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
    7) Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114, 1973: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Arab_Airlines_Flight_114
    8) Korean Air Lines Flight 902, 1978: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
    9) Korean Air Lines Flight 007, 1983: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
    10) USS Stark, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident
    11) Iran Air Flight 655, 1988: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
    12) Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, 2001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
    13) Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
    14) USS Mason, 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mason_(DDG-87)#Attacks_off_the_coast_of_Yemen
  194. @Anonymous

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?
     
    Whatever else you believe about the Israel-US relationship, there is no question that the Liberty was attacked on purpose with the knowledge it was a US ship and that the intent was to sink it with all hands.

    That isn't to say that it was a particularly premeditated or well thought out attack. Had Israel been planning to sink a US ship ahead of time for some purpose they probably would have succeeded. They are reasonably competent.

    It was an ad hoc measure ordered out of poor judgment, true enough. But if any other nation had done it it would have been prima facie casus belli, that is absolutely without question. And in at least several other cases, had it succeeded, two men in a bunker somewhere in the Dakotas would probably have been ordered to turn two keys at the same time over the matter. At the very least naval bombardment and/or a B-52 attack would have ensued.

    I don't advocate bombing Israel over the matter at this time,that would be stupid. I do advocate that it be made clear to all and sundry that Israel is a separate nation from the US with separate and sometimes different, even opposing interests , and dealing with them like any other nation. No person holding dual citizenship with Israel or any other country should be allowed to hold elective office in the US.

    Christian Zionist preachers should be ridiculed and it should be made clear that no one will be prosecuted for tarring and feathering them, and for-profit businesses like Bott radio should have their FCC licensure questioned for airing CZ religious broadcasting without at least offering equal time to anti-CZ preachers. And the $PLC and ADL (Admirers of Dalitz and Lansky) should be stripped of their tax exempt status.

    Israel paid over $12 million in compensation for the attack on the USS Liberty.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    As you are well aware, the 12 million is just a very small fraction of the financial largess we annually bestow upon Israel.
  195. @Steve Sailer
    Israel paid over $12 million in compensation for the attack on the USS Liberty.

    Steve,

    As you are well aware, the 12 million is just a very small fraction of the financial largess we annually bestow upon Israel.

  196. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    The British tend to be self-loathing people collectively, especially the leftists. There’s not an atrocity that has happened in the world that you could cite that British leftists wouldn’t claim that Britain has done worse.

    In fact, the only reason they wouldn’t say Britain has committed worse atrocities than the Holocaust is because they would be called an anti-Semitic bigot if they tried to claim that, because no suffering can trump Jewish suffering, not because they don’t genuinely believe that the British are historically even worse than the worst of Nazis, but in their minds Britain is certainly ever bit as bad as Nazi Germany which is why they would rather be ruled by the EU than Brussels, and prefer immigrants from anywhere to British people because in their minds nothing can be worse than the native British.

  197. @Anonymous

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?
     
    Whatever else you believe about the Israel-US relationship, there is no question that the Liberty was attacked on purpose with the knowledge it was a US ship and that the intent was to sink it with all hands.

    That isn't to say that it was a particularly premeditated or well thought out attack. Had Israel been planning to sink a US ship ahead of time for some purpose they probably would have succeeded. They are reasonably competent.

    It was an ad hoc measure ordered out of poor judgment, true enough. But if any other nation had done it it would have been prima facie casus belli, that is absolutely without question. And in at least several other cases, had it succeeded, two men in a bunker somewhere in the Dakotas would probably have been ordered to turn two keys at the same time over the matter. At the very least naval bombardment and/or a B-52 attack would have ensued.

    I don't advocate bombing Israel over the matter at this time,that would be stupid. I do advocate that it be made clear to all and sundry that Israel is a separate nation from the US with separate and sometimes different, even opposing interests , and dealing with them like any other nation. No person holding dual citizenship with Israel or any other country should be allowed to hold elective office in the US.

    Christian Zionist preachers should be ridiculed and it should be made clear that no one will be prosecuted for tarring and feathering them, and for-profit businesses like Bott radio should have their FCC licensure questioned for airing CZ religious broadcasting without at least offering equal time to anti-CZ preachers. And the $PLC and ADL (Admirers of Dalitz and Lansky) should be stripped of their tax exempt status.

    Out of curiosity, which of these other incidents fit the description “there is no question that the [name of ship or aircraft] was attacked on purpose with the knowledge it was a [ship or aircraft belonging to a particular nationality] and that the intent was to [destroy] it with all hands”?

    1) USS Panay, 1937: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Panay_incident
    2) MV Patria, 1940: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_disaster
    3) MV Struma, 1942: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struma_disaster
    4) MV Mefküre, 1944: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Mefküre
    5) El Al Flight 402, 1955: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_402
    6) USS Maddox, 1964: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
    7) Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114, 1973: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Arab_Airlines_Flight_114
    8) Korean Air Lines Flight 902, 1978: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
    9) Korean Air Lines Flight 007, 1983: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
    10) USS Stark, 1987: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident
    11) Iran Air Flight 655, 1988: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
    12) Siberia Airlines Flight 1812, 2001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
    13) Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
    14) USS Mason, 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mason_(DDG-87)#Attacks_off_the_coast_of_Yemen

  198. @Lot
    “ Israel bombed and strafed the USS Liberty.”

    By accident. How many Americans were killed by friendly fire in the 20th century? 25,000? How many allied soldiers did we kill?

    “ Israel stole the fissionable material required to build its nuclear weapons from us.”

    Lol, yeah we had a bunch of plutonium and they just jacked it at gunpoint. Maybe we should’ve not hired that Paul Blart to guard our nukes.

    Zalman Shapiro of NUMEC, in Pennsylvania got hundreds of pounds of fissionable material to Israel. Perhaps your argument is that the Johnson administration winked and held the door open while it was done, but nonetheless, Israel, our “ally” stole it from us.

  199. @Lot
    It’s funny how the Jewspiracy retards think that Israel managed to successfully false flag 9-11 but couldn’t sink a single nearly unarmed ship off their own coast and pit it on Egypt. (Why? So the US would enter a war Israel won completely in six days?)

    I’m not a retard of any stripe. Israel is not the USA. They are not our ally in any way, shape, or form.

  200. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    "The current global elites are bleeding and have peaked, next they will start devouring each other."

    One can hope. The reason the elites are bleeding is that their monopoly on information control, nearly everywhere except Communist China,* has popped thanks to the Internet. Despite its flaws, Twitter in particular has been wonderful for the ideological power of normal people over the past decade or so.

    *Communist in the in same sense National Socialists were socialist, i.e. both exemplify corrupt state-capitalism. The Democrats, never-Trumpers, and EU bureaucrats were attempting to bring the same system to the West, thereby cementing their privileges in perpetuity.

    ….their monopoly on information control has popped thanks to the Internet.

    True. Interestingly, the elites were first giddy thinking that their control of the internet will make their monopoly and reach even better. But new technologies have their own inner dynamic, so it worked out differently.

    Government is about control. Its etymological root is ‘control’. In order to control a society, government (=elites) needs to control the wealth allocation, asset ownership, laws, money creation and distribution, and have a monopoly on violence. That requires that they also control information – the stories we tell to each other. They have lost it and it will be hard to get it back. This will soon quite interesting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Even if they can no longer suppress conflicting narratives, they can still shout louder than everybody else.
  201. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    "The current global elites are bleeding and have peaked, next they will start devouring each other."

    One can hope. The reason the elites are bleeding is that their monopoly on information control, nearly everywhere except Communist China,* has popped thanks to the Internet. Despite its flaws, Twitter in particular has been wonderful for the ideological power of normal people over the past decade or so.

    *Communist in the in same sense National Socialists were socialist, i.e. both exemplify corrupt state-capitalism. The Democrats, never-Trumpers, and EU bureaucrats were attempting to bring the same system to the West, thereby cementing their privileges in perpetuity.

    The reason the elites are bleeding is that their monopoly on information control….has popped thanks to the Internet.

    Do you think so? I think that the internet, and social media in particular, has strengthened their control.

    And are the elites bleeding?

    Getting back to Brexit, the most interesting thing about it is that it’s become largely an internal elite squabble. It’s an elite faction fight. In 2016 it looked like a grass roots revolt but ordinary people have been sidelined. The ordinary Brits who wanted their country returned to them seem to have given up and retreated back into despair and apathy.

    Genuine faction fights within the elites are very unusual these days. That’s good news and bad news. It’s good news in the sense that the British elites are not as monolithic as was thought. It’s bad news in the sense that both elite factions are equally evil.

  202. @dfordoom

    Also, Brexiteers seem to just want to leave the EU bloc and go straight into the USA bloc, many almost seem to want to be treated as a honourary US state or something. That’s not real independence.
     
    Britain will be ruled from Washington rather than Brussels. Which will actually be considerably worse for the British people.

    After WW2 the British lost their self-confidence and their self-respect. Much of that was due to Churchill's toadying to the Americans. Churchill's pathetic belief in the Special Relationship which was based on a delusion (that British and American interests would always coincide) and wishful thinking. Churchill's inane fantasies about the English Speaking Peoples were especially dangerous.

    Of course Britain's grovelling to the US just increased American contempt for Britain.

    Brexit seems like a working class reaction to every day problems and grievances without much understanding of international politics and who is really running things.
     
    It started that way, as a disorganised movement of resentment over Britain's political and moral decline. But people like Farage and Boris Johnson are not just globalists, they are a particularly nasty kind of neoliberal globalist. Brexit in practice will lead to full-bore neoliberalism.

    Churchill was American. It’s one of the reasons he was regarded with suspicion by British conservatives at a time when Britain still saw America as a rival. Churchill’s toadying to America is something I expect to see criticized by old school British Tories, not Americans.

  203. @Beckow

    ....their monopoly on information control has popped thanks to the Internet.
     
    True. Interestingly, the elites were first giddy thinking that their control of the internet will make their monopoly and reach even better. But new technologies have their own inner dynamic, so it worked out differently.

    Government is about control. Its etymological root is 'control'. In order to control a society, government (=elites) needs to control the wealth allocation, asset ownership, laws, money creation and distribution, and have a monopoly on violence. That requires that they also control information - the stories we tell to each other. They have lost it and it will be hard to get it back. This will soon quite interesting.

    Even if they can no longer suppress conflicting narratives, they can still shout louder than everybody else.

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