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iSteve commenter Dtbb writes:

Steve, thanks for a year ago making our family Thanksgiving better for giving us the North Sentinel island post, which provided us the perfect subject to talk about. What’s up this year?

That was the tale of the Oral Roberts U. missionary who landed on North Sentinel Island in the Andamans, home to the last known uncontacted tribe in the Old World.

A few days later I followed up with

Kristol and Boot Debate Grand Strategy:

Bill Kristol: Shouldn’t an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the next couple of decades be regime change in China?

Max Boot: Sure, sure, all in good time, Bill, but in what’s left of 2018, our highest grand strategic priority must be regime change on North Sentinel Island.

Kristol: China has 1,386,000,000 people, Max, 92% of them Han. Operation Chinese Democracy will be a piece of cake.

Boot: You are not thinking strategically, Bill. As Admiral Mahan explains, North Sentinel Island would be the perfect coaling station for the Great White Fleet’s assault on China’s soft underbelly. From North Sentinel, we can steam up the Irrawaddy River to Mandalay, where our expeditionary force will hire elephants to carry them along the Burma Road over the Hump to Chungking. And if we don’t take North Sentinel Island now, Admiral Mahan notes, it will be ripe to fall into the hands of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Kristol: Good point …

Boot: I’ve identified the perfect chief for the North Sentinelese, their Ahmad Chalabi as it were: Evan McMullin.

Kristol: I was thinking of Evan more as our new Emperor of China.

Boot: Don’t be ridiculous. David French was born to be Emperor of China.

Kristol: Good point …

 
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  1. The War On Thanksgiving? There was an article a couple of days ago about “getting the facts” about Thanksgiving.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  2. El Dato says:
    @Redneck farmer

    At Mises.org they used to write up the story of when the colonists finally let go of their centralized-economic ways which caused them to croak of hunger like bitches who settled on the wrong case in a Prisoner’s Dilemma matrix. Letting farmers work on their own with some ability to keep the proceeds finally managing to put meat on the plate.

    Don’t know whether true, it’s a good story.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Redneck farmer
  3. Great topic is generation Weeabo, late Gen-Boomer, early Gen-X American.

    Example: https://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/11/haunting.html

    I don’t know if a band has ever gotten consistently better live over time than Babymetal. It’s astonishing to see how far they’ve come from the days of three girls dancing to a track of Doki Doki Morning. This is the last performance of Mikio, who died tragically in a freak accident one month after the Hiroshima concert. It’s a subtle tribute, but when Su sings “Nidoto ae-nai” which means “we shall never meet again”, you can see the camera switches momentarily to Mikio.

    The voice of the White Southern Baptist Revival speaks.

    Question: has basic bitch southern baptist christian-zionist Scofield Bible irredeemably moronic unironic, illogical grifter protestant set the inevitable destination of every american to the heart of the sun?

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    , @El Dato
  4. El Dato says:

    A strong theme is Elon Musk irremediably polluting the heavens with microsats and not giving a fuck.

    Hmmm …. Barrett Light 50 … launch complex … something something. Mumble.

  5. @Pat Hannagan

    No more for fat bald headed spics hiding away in Tuscany to live within the borders of the 50 states of the united states, no sirreee, not when they can let the light from their lighthouse shine on us:

    Let’s hear it foe southern baptists – “christian” zionist e-book merchants on the intonet making sure to suppress and denounce any true White revival.

  6. bomag says:

    Maybe start a tradition where each Thanksgiving you sketch an outline of the most favored individual in today’s political climate.

    This year I would suggest an African migrant escaping persecution at home after his latest failed coup attempt; he is now transitioning to female to unlock the inner lesbian; he has a high position in a State dept. job where he wears a noose around his neck at all times to remind everyone of racism in America; he recently listened in on a phone conversation where POTUS suggested a foreign country investigate criminal activity.

    Let the celebrations begin!

  7. Ano says:

    Er, excuse me Mr Sailer.
    In case you haven’t noticed, this is 2019.

    This Thanksgiving, turkey and free speech are not on the menu.

    Find below your ACLU-approved topics for an ACLU-approved ‘conversation’.

    PS: Enjoy your bugs.

  8. neutral says:

    I don’t do thanksgiving, but I do know the hell that is when one of the family members is a hard leftist and starts pontificating their “facts” and how clever they are, when the reality is that they are just a brainwashed lemming and don’t know how things really are.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  9. Jake says:

    Shouldn’t Kristol and Boot discuss how the name North Sentinelese is a racist moniker applied by anti-Semites that shows no respect for indigenous peoples? And how their NeoCon invasion would save these negrittoes from being ruled brutally, from being exploited permanently, by the white trash of Russia?

  10. The South Park Thanksgiving episode that mashed up the History Channel and one of the Thor movies?

    I mean, they had intergalactic Pilgrims wiping out their Indian counterparts with death rays.

  11. Evolution of language in Stossel’s Thanksgiving columns? They’re almost the same every year yet there are some subtle changes.

    2014: This Thanksgiving, Be Grateful for Property Rights. The Pilgrims Nearly Starved Without Them

    Before the Pilgrims were able to hold the first Thanksgiving, they nearly starved. Although they had inherited ideas about individualism and property from the English and Dutch trading empires, they tried communism when they arrived in the New World. They decreed that each family would get an equal share of food, no matter how much work they did.

    2018: On Thanksgiving, Be Grateful for Property Rights

    The Pilgrims at Plymouth didn’t share a feast with Indians after arriving in 1620 because America was so filled with bounty.

    Instead, the Pilgrims nearly starved to death. They’d tried to farm collectively—the entire community owning all the land and sharing everything, like socialists.

    (bolding mine – //H.)

  12. Sometimes rivers in Asia aren’t so welcoming of Western powers.

  13. anonymous[669] • Disclaimer says:

    Vibrant democracies with a strong independent “free press” are the best form of government, a model which should be imposed on all nations. And what could make the “free press” more free than by being monopolized by six or seven Jewish billionaires?

    As every media outlet will teach you, “democratically” elected governments, chosen by the masses, are the best form of government, and the people who create the opinion of the voting masses are not at all being self-serving by informing you as such.

    They’re best except for when the populace still happens to vote “wrong,” meaning for a “right wing” or “anti-Semitic/anti-Israeli” leader, then the democratically elected leader must be deposed and a philo-Semitic puppet dictator installed.

    “Democracy is now currently defined in Europe as a ‘country run by Jews’” – Ezra Pound

  14. I’m looking forward to raising discussion with the extended family this Thanksgiving what writer has over the past decade had the greatest influence upon curious minds on how they apprehend the world, Greenwald or Sailer.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  15. theMann says:

    Isn’t the traditional Thanksgiving day topic food? For instance, how to make a perfect venison burger, which I am eating now. With an excellent Spanish Grenache. Uhmmmmmm, venison burger and wine at 8 AM, that is worth giving thanks.

    If you want a fun subject for later, bring up how obviously fixed NFL games are.

    Or my other favorite subject on a holiday – isn’t it a holiday if, and only if, you celebrate it? Cleary, St Patrick’s Day, Valentines Day, and Halloween are holidays, spontaneously celebrated across America. MLK day, President’s day, Columbus Day not so much. Come to think of it, I didn’t even get Veteran’s Day off. And I am always agitating for Dec 16th being a world. Ok, Western World, holiday.

  16. Liza says:

    Last year, as a comment on your North Sentinel Island Post, a reader quoted from Holmes’ Sign of Four story, describing the Andaman Island people.

    In the television series (with Jeremy Brett) the little creature Tonga was depicted as the most frightening, freaky thing imaginable in keeping with the original story.

    I suspect that if Sign of Four were turned into a television show today, he could not be shown to be such a monster – but probably a human-looking, short, dark skinned ordinary man like the actor Kiran Shah, who played the role. Just opining here. Happy Thanksgiving Day to you!

  17. Why not just get a topic at random? Hit “I feel lucky” on Google, then whip up 100-200 words of incisive (or “vague”) iSteve commentary, and leave the rest to us.

    I just hit the button, and got “metronome”, and a list of online metronomes. Perhaps this could be linked with the rhythm method, as [ahem] a conceivable contraception plan for Africa.

    They do have rhythm, don’t they?

    Golf architecture can be worked in somehow, as well, as a follow-up post.

  18. eah says:

    link

    Americans could do their ‘special relationship’ duty and ponder this question, trying to come up with some advice or a best guess for the British before the arrival their soon-to-be many more permanent guests: Will more diversity bring more tolerance, too?

    Surprises are nice too I suppose.

    Related: wewereneverasked.co.uk

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @eah
  19. syonredux says:

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    • Replies: @syonredux
  20. As usual, the best way to read Kristol or Boot (or God forbid the two in colloquy) is to assume they are on acid. (And NOT a micro-dose.) Only then can I read them with any sympathy.

  21. How about my Thanksgiving Eve movie, the Jennifer Lawrence vehicle Red Sparrow, which wanted to be a sexy and tense thriller and ultimately came off as gross and tiresome.

    But I was able to appreciate Ms. Lawrence’s bangs, my God those bangs!!!

  22. A123 says:

    If you like classic TV, how about this one?

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING 🌽🍗🍻

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Anonymous
  23. Let’s begin by apologizing to the Dutch people for culturally appropriating their hymn “Wilt heden nu treden” that celebrates their victory over Spanish forces in the Battle of Turnhout in 1597 during their War of Independence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Gather_Together

  24. @A123

    And of course the Newhart where Emily is away, the guys get drunk, ruin the turkey and order $500 worth of Chinese delivery

  25. @eah

    Will more diversity bring more tolerance?

    Will more gasoline help put out this fire?

    Will more beatings improve morale?

    Will more turd improve my chocolate ice cream?

    Will a bigger hammer fix my TV?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  26. Much love to Sentinelese-American actor Kevin Hart, still recovering from his spear accident.

    BTW, ever noticed how America sounds like Amalek ? Would explain a few things.

  27. @John Achterhof

    “Greenwald or Sailer”

    Both. Two valuable and very different voices. The two men are truth-seekers. I give Sailer extra points for his sense of humor.

  28. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Next time try Three Days of the Condor (1975). A fairly realistic depiction of internecine warfare within the Company. The scrumptious Ms. Lawrence is not in attendance, but 60s-70s babe Faye Dunaway compensates. Max Von Sydow is memorable as a professional killer.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  29. @International Jew

    “Will a bigger hammer fix my TV?”

    Absolutely.

  30. Sparkon says:

    This clip doesn’t have too much to do with Thanksgiving.

    Rather, it comes from 1946 (MCMXLVI), when the first cohort of the Baby Boomers was born, and American women had legs baby, legs, and so I offer this OT clip for leg-men everywhere, featuring the Modern Maids with great legs just like Mom had:

    1946 Soundies: Dixiairs in Southland

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Reg Cæsar
  31. bjondo says:
    @El Dato

    First I’ve heard this centralized-econ ways
    of the colonists.
    From Mises so, is true or a libertarian story?

    Indians probably had some sort of
    centralized-econ/survival system.
    Usually did OK.

    5ds

    • Replies: @bomag
  32. eah says:
    @eah

    Or discuss this perhaps.

  33. What’s a Good Thanksgiving Topic?

    Ask Siri or Alexa. Ask Siri and Alexa.

    NB: West Coast mores may be built into these ladies’ psyches. My kids, bored with the Macy’s parade, asked Alexa, “Should I pee in a trash can?”

    Her answer: “I don’t know about that…”

    We need regionally appropriate voices for our devices. How would Ralph Kramden, Cliff Clavin, or Foghorn Leghorn answer that question?

    Silicon Valley, or Silicon Sound, would just change the last one to “Foghorn Livorno”.

  34. @syonredux

    Didn’t recent research reveal that the Puritans wore vibrant colors? What’s brown or grey in the museums might have been bright blue or red or green in real life.

    Black dye was very expensive, so these pictures must depict the 1%.

    “Sumptuary laws” were on the books, but they covered accessories more than color. There were Puritan towns in northern New Jersey, such as Obama’s ancestral Woodbridge, but I don’t know how much they influenced this:

    In New Jersey, by 1670, it was illegal for a woman to “betray into matrimony any of His Majesty’s male subjects, by scents, paints, cosmetics, washes, artificial teeth, false hair, Spanish wool, iron stays, hoops, high-heeled shoes, or bolstered hips.”

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/sumptuary-laws-puritan-fashion-colonies-modesty

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Liza
    , @MEH 0910
  35. Hey Steve,
    I’d like to take a few minutes to talk about my hair…for Thanksgiving…especially luxurious today, probably due to the humidity.

    Feel free to discuss amongst yourselves, let’s get the discussion started…

    Regards,
    Harry

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Twodees Partain
  36. My favorite Thanksgiving topic is how gross the traditional meal is. If this food were any good it would be available 24/7, 365 days a year. Like moo goo gai pan. It isn’t available. The reason it isn’t available is it sucks.

    Sweet potatoes–great if you are an Argonaut of the south pacific. I do not eat sweet potatoes.
    Mashed potatoes–barf. The only good preparation of potato is baked with a large quantity of butter, sour cream, chives and chopped bacon. When they serve me hash browns at the breakfast place with my bacon and eggs and toast I eat one forkful of them max before asking myself why people eat this crap.
    Dressing–does it have liver and gizzard &c in it? Feed it to the dogs.
    Pumpkin pie–I can eat an entire apple pie (if it’s done right) and I cannot eat a slice of pumpkin pie.
    Cranberry sauce–OK if it is prepared correctly (which your mom probably does not do).
    Turkey–OK but the the thing is huge and a pain to cook it; if it’s ready-made, fine.

    So it gets a 2/6 at the most and that is for a very small minority of the Thanksgiving meals being eaten today. Unsweetened cranberry juice is great stuff but it is very sour and most people can’t drink more than a 4 oz serving.

    My advice is to drink a lot of wine and eat a minimal amount of the food. Mostly the white turkey meat. The Saints-Falcons game looks like it’s going to be pretty good.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jim Don Bob
  37. @El Dato

    Well, it started out that they were corporate employees, and the bosses were 3,000 miles away. So they had to do things differently than the company charter required.
    The article I was referencing had a lot of “privilege” and “genocide” and other words that the educator needs to be Pinochet’d.

  38. @The Wild Geese Howard

    How about my Thanksgiving Eve movie, the Jennifer Lawrence vehicle Red Sparrow, which wanted to be a sexy and tense thriller and ultimately came off as gross and tiresome.

    I enjoyed that movie, but in order to do so, one must get past the fact that it apparently takes place in some weird, alternate timeline where Putin’s Russia is indistinguishable from that of Stalin. Once you accept that grotesque depiction of the contemporary Russian Federation as just some weird quirk of the folks who made this film, it’s actually pretty good. But that is kind of a big hump to get over.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  39. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Didn’t recent research reveal that the Puritans wore vibrant colors? What’s brown or grey in the museums might have been bright blue or red or green in real life.

    Black dye was very expensive, so these pictures must depict the 1%.

    Yeah. Black was associated with the Puritan elite. Cf John Winthrop:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  40. The nonsense of Friendsgiving and friends as your “family by choice”. It’s an attack on family.

  41. @Jonathan Mason

    Trump pardons Turkey

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/11/28/trumppardon-turkey-073704

    The pardoning of this year’s turkey was actually quite funny:

  42. Prince Andrew seems to be a very popular subject lately. Kicked out of the royal inbreds. Should he talk to the FBI? Will he still be able to travel to the US? And blah blah, blah blah blah. Who gives a rat’s ass says I. Now Bill Clinton, how about him? Is he out of the country? Does the FBI not know where he lives? Somehow, the name just never comes up.

  43. J1234 says:

    Shouldn’t an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the next couple of decades be regime change in China?

    Good idea. Why “invade the world/invite the world” when one gigantic country like China will do? It’d be a lot less complicated.

  44. Liza says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    In New Jersey, by 1670, it was illegal for a woman to “betray into matrimony any of His Majesty’s male subjects, by scents, paints, cosmetics, washes, artificial teeth, false hair, Spanish wool, iron stays, hoops, high-heeled shoes, or bolstered hips.”

    Might be a good idea to reintroduce such laws today. I don’t see any women of any age without phony hair (inserts) and enough makeup to embarrass a genuine whore. And virtually everyone has chiclets that are attempting to pass for teeth.

  45. El Dato says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    I dunno it sounds like an anime intro song.

    What does it mean if the cameru, I mean gamera, I mean camera switches mementarily to Mikio??

    Random amazing stuff from the Internets (includes obtaining wolf)

  46. MEH 0910 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Albion’s Seed:

    Massachusetts Dress Ways: The Puritan Taste for Simple Clothes and “Sadd” Colors

    The typical New England Jonathan—and Abigail as well—were also known by their habits of dress. The founders of Massachusetts had strong views on this subject. For them, clothing was not a matter of cultural indifference. By and large, they believed that costume should not be a form of sensual display. This did not mean that the Puritans wore the black suits and gray dresses of historical legend. With a few exceptions, they avoided black—not because it was too plain for their tastes, but because it was not plain enough. Even this strong color was thought to be pretentious in the general population. It was reserved for ruling elders and the governing elite.1

    The Bay people cultivated a style of dress which drew its inspiration from the customary folk costume of East Anglia in the seventeenth century. The taste of New England ran not to black or gray, but to “sadd colors” as they were called in the seventeenth century. A list of these “sadd colors” in 1638 included “liver color, de Boys, tawney, russet, purple, French green, ginger lyne, deer colour, orange.” Other sad colors were called “gridolin” from the French gris de lin (“flax blossom”). Still others were called puce, folding color, Kendall green, Lincoln green, barry, milly and tuly.

    Specially favored was russet, and a color called philly mort from the French feuille morte (“dead leaf”). One country gentleman from the east of England, Oliver Cromwell, made these “sad colors” into a badge of virtue when he celebrated his “plain russet-coated captain that knows what he fights for and loves what he knows.”

    Sad colors were brought in Massachusetts in the first years of settlement, and their popularity has persisted even to our own time. In a region where nature adorns herself each year in flaming red and orange and yellow, the plain folk of Massachusetts dressed in shades of feuille morte.

  47. MEH 0910 says:
    @syonredux

    Albion’s Seed:

    Massachusetts Dress Ways: The Puritan Taste for Simple Clothes and “Sadd” Colors

    ******
    Leaders and elders in the Bay Colony dressed differently from ordinary people. For godly men and women of “good age” or high rank, black was thought to be suitable. A surviving portrait (ca. 1629) of John Winthrop shows him in a suit of black velvet with slashed sleeves, a starched neck ruff and delicate lace cuffs. In his hand he carried gossamer gloves so thin as to be transparent. Their fragility was meant to show that their wearer did not have to work with his hands. John Winthrop’s costume differed in its restraint from the opulent display of Stuart courtiers and Virginia cavaliers, but it was unmistakably the dress of a gentleman.

  48. J.Ross says:

    I don’t like Michael Medved — I do not generally endorse him — but he’s an extremely bright guy, and he has a few things he absolutely knocks out of the park, and one of these is definitely his Thanksgiving lecture. If you have a family you really should make it a tradition.
    It’s as dark as The Color Out of Space and all true, and you will be surprised that we never talk about this stuff. We should be making sure every schoolchild knows this. And they will not be bored. In fact, the only problem is that your kids might be too young. There were Pilgrims who saw the New World as so utterly pointless and bleak that they, a people who believe in predestination, committed suicide after having reached land. This history needs to be remembered.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @syonredux
  49. @Morton's toes

    The Saints-Falcons game looks like it’s going to be pretty good.

    Boy, have things changed in the last 50 years.

    How much white meat is there on a falcon?

  50. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harald Balzac

    I’d like to take a few minutes to talk about my hair

    What color is it?

    • Replies: @Harald Balzac
  51. trelane says:

    The Kerguelen Islands

  52. @SunBakedSuburb

    Thanks SunBaked, but I’ve seen Three Days of the Condor.

    The monologue delivered by Cliff Robertson was eerily prescient.

  53. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Kevin, I noted the tone of modern Russia portrayed as an issue with the film.

    I was also wondering how 28 year old Jennifer Lawrence can look so beat. She looks like she’s about 42 or so.

  54. bjondo says:
    @J.Ross

    There were Pilgrims who saw the New World as so utterly pointless and bleak that they, a people who believe in predestination, committed suicide after having reached land.

    Bleak and pointless?

    Tourists visit area every fall for the beauty and sea food.

    Imagine how the pilgrims to Mars or other will react.

    Probably should make coffins into space ships.

    Will save time.

    5ds

  55. @neutral

    I don’t do thanksgiving either, when given a choice. It’s just too harrowing to gather with relatives for what always ends up with someone disowning one or more of the others for life, or until the next time family is scheduled to gather again.

    Anyway, I hate the traditional foods of the day and would rather just take a grandchild out to do whatever a kid likes to do. Let the rest of the family have their brawl.

  56. @Harald Balzac

    Ha! let’s see how you react when one of the kids wants to touch your frizzy ‘fro. 😉

    • Replies: @Harald Balzac
  57. MBlanc46 says:
    @Sparkon

    That is wrong, just wrong, on so many levels. I loved it.

  58. I am happy to report that, while installing the blades on a brand-new electric cutting knife, I managed not to sever any fingers. (I did sustain a minor laceration, but I’m a big boy. I can take it.)

    (Freudian slip: I actually wrote goy instead of boy. Yes, I spend way too much time on iSteve.)

  59. @anon

    Anon,
    It’s mostly a luxurious brown with a few(approx 3) grey oldsters starting to show up. The luxuriosness is, I think, mostly due to todays 95% humidity. As mentioned earlier today the weather here is crappy, except when it’s nice.
    Anon, I appreciate your inquiry, and would be happy to provide more information if you have specific questions. You clearly are a man of substance. And vision.
    Noone else seems interested, perhaps it’s the lack of trans/latinx cred. Difficult to be an old/straight/white guy these days, I think I reached invisibility in the early ’00’s, currently working on time travel and mind control.
    Steve, always good stuff, thanks. I’ve been somewhat down on Thanksgiving ever since the end of the SWC and the bonfire disaster of ’99…A kid I’ve known since ’63 in Houston has an older brother who was working on one of his PhD’s at Rice in the late 70’s…one of his PhD’s. Yeah, this guy’s that smart. Extermely rich now too.
    6 degrees an’ all…mom’s side of the Balzacs are West U folks from the 30’s and a lot of old contacts from North/South Blvd area from school days too…Herman Park on the stingray, on it not in it…old days…

    Trelane,
    Desolation Islands, too cold this time of year(always?). One of those places I was vaguely aware of over the years, thanks for the heads up, it’s always good to read about places you’ll never see.
    Somoa is great, consider Tahiti, you’ll be much happier. Jamaica’s close, hell Miami Beach…

    Regards,
    Harry

    • Replies: @anon
  60. @Sparkon

    The author of those lyrics was born in Odessa– not the one in Texas– and belonged to Temple Israel of Hollywood.

    https://www.songhall.org/profile/L_Wolfe_Gilbert

    Did the Robert E Lee ply the Black Sea along with Big Muddy?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  61. @Twodees Partain

    Twodees,
    I swear that happened a couple of times many years ago at my sons 50/50 black/white Christian school outside of Atlanta. Little kids each time. Hadn’t thought ’bout that in years, thanks.
    I’m a cool guy, it was strange, but I went with it. Karen and I laughed pretty hard as I recall, Jake’s in his 30’s now. I pray it eventually takes, it wasn’t cheap.

    By the way, I prefer luxurious these days as opposed to frizzy. I hear luxurious is a thing now.

    Great to be back in Texas again, even if it’s Austin area, spent a lot of time here in the 70’s. Heard of those right? They made a show about ’em…
    Harry’s keepin’ it weird…

    Best Regards,
    Harry

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  62. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    “As God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly”.

  63. bomag says:
    @bjondo

    Indians probably had some sort of
    centralized-econ/survival system.
    Usually did OK.

    Probably a lesson there: socialism will keep you alive at some basic level; capitalism will let you soar and get so rich and slothful that you start to elect socialists to rule.

    • Agree: Liza
    • LOL: El Dato, PetrOldSack
  64. anon[746] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harald Balzac

    It’s mostly a luxurious brown with a few(approx 3) grey oldsters starting to show up.

    Meh. Boring.

    • Replies: @Harald Balzac
  65. Maybe the fact that JAMESTOWN was the first English settlement in America, not Plymouth.

    This fact was pushed aside after 1865 because it was an awkward truth.

  66. @Harald Balzac

    “Frizzy ‘fro” dates back to the ’70s as well. It was a saying among some of us, the outcast kids from a late ’60s dropout crew who dropped out of high school in the latter ’60s and still hung around together into the ’70s. We were a mixed bag, ethnically at least. “Comb that frizzy ‘fro” was a jibe delivered when somebody asked, “How do I look?” no matter whether the one asking the question was black, white or red.

    I still think of it and smile.

  67. bjondo says:

    …socialism will keep you alive at some basic level; capitalism will let you soar and get so rich and slothful that you start to elect socialists to rule.

    Suppose, a discussion that could go on forever.

    I’ll just say,
    “soar and get so rich and slothful”
    that life’s main purpose, only purpose, is to buy…
    garbage… basically.

    The elected socialists would be socialists for the uber rich.

    I favor the life of Indians, Amish, Monks.
    Simpler with meaning.
    Indians – some amount of violence.
    Vikings, maybe similar.

  68. eah says:

    44/100+ so we can now have 13/55

  69. @Morton's toes

    The Saints-Falcons game looks like it’s going to be pretty good.

    The Saints didn’t exactly clobber the Falcons, but the Bills exposed the Cowboys yet again as all hat and no cattle, as they say in Texas.

  70. Twodees,
    Thanks again for the refresher, the ‘fro thing brought up a lotta 70’s memories.
    We had Willie Green, the biggest ‘fro on either side of the Mississsippi, the rake, flash color clothes, pimp walk, 6’4″ of cool, all of it. Don’t think he had a car though…
    Last time I thought of that was when Kramer did his thing in the 90’s, stab that hat…”I’m not a pimp”

    Regards,
    Harry

  71. Sparkon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Did the Robert E Lee ply the Black Sea along with Big Muddy?

    Obviously not, but the composer of the tune’s melody, ragtime pianist Lewis F. Muir, (born Louie Meuer in St. Louis) no doubt would have been familiar with the riverboat lore, including prominently the famous 1870 steamboat race from New Orleans to St. Louis between the Robert E Lee and the existing record-holder Natchez, which was won in record-breaking time by the Robert E Lee.

    Muir’s Wikipedia article gives two interesting versions of the meeting and collaboration between Gilbert and Muir that led to the very popular song.

    It would seem that Muir not Gilbert was the more knowledgeable man about the Mississippi riverboat lore, so who knows how the attribution of lyrics equation worked out? As as always, connections are as important as talent, if not more so, and it would appear that Gilbert was the more connected man.

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  72. @anon

    Anon,
    Agreed, but as you are clearly a man of both substance and vision I expected…something else. If you ask specific questions I can unbore it for you.

    Also, the $30 million slush fund needs slushing, the Nigerian prince has completely abandoned us. Bank Wire information to kindly follow.

    Regards,
    Harry

  73. @Sparkon

    Edgar Leslie wrote the words to Muir’s earlier hit, “When Ragtime Rosie Ragged the Rosary”, set in some Protestant low church where beads would be taken for popery. It was probably the most religiously illiterate hit lyric until Norman Greenbaum sang, “Never been a sinner, I never sinned, I got a friend in Jesus” almost sixty years later. And Greenbaum had a better excuse for his ignorance.

  74. syonredux says:
    @J.Ross

    Being thus arrived in a good harbor and brought safe to land, they fell upon their knees & blessed the God of heaven, who had brought them over the vast & furious ocean, and delivered them from all the perils & miseries thereof, again to set their feet on the firm and stable earth, their proper element. Being thus past the vast ocean, and a sea of troubles before in their preparation (as may be remembered by that which went before), they had now no friends to welcome them, nor inns to entertain or refresh their weather-beaten bodies, no houses or much less towns to repair to, to seek for succor. It is recorded in scripture as a mercy to the apostle & his shipwrecked company, that the barbarians showed them no small kindness in refreshing them, but these savage barbarians, when they met with them were readier to fill their sides full of arrows then otherwise. And for the season it was winter, and they that know the winters of that country know them to be sharp & violent & subject to cruel & fierce storms, dangerous to travel to known places, much more to search an unknown coast. Besides, what could they see but a hideous & desolate wilderness, full of wild beasts & wild men? And what multitudes there might be of them they knew not. Neither could they, as it were, go up to the top of Pisgah, to view from this wilderness a more goodly country to feed their hopes; for which way soever they turned their eyes (save upward to the heavens) they could have little solace or content in respect of any outward objects. For summer being done, all things stand upon them with a weather-beaten face; and the whole country, full of woods & thickets, represented a wild & savage hue. If they looked behind them, there was the mighty ocean which they had passed, and was now as a main bar & gulf to separate them from all the civil parts of the world. What could now sustain them but the spirit of God & His grace? May not & ought not the children of these fathers, rightly say: Our fathers were Englishmen which came over this great ocean, and were ready to perish in this wilderness.

    William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation

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