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Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer. The fewer huddled masses, the better.

Americans understand this in other contexts: e.g., Stanford U. has all the money in the world plus thousands of unused acres of campus to expand upon, but has kept its student body growing much slower than the US population in order to boost the quality of its students.

Stanford could have a program like the US Diversity Visa Lottery to randomly select high school graduates to get into Stanford, but it doesn’t. Similarly, Stanford could have a program like the Temporary Protected Status to let people from, say, flooded Houston come be Stanford students for 17 years, but it doesn’t.

Why not? Because the larger and more randomly people are admitted to Stanford, the more they will behave like the average from their background and less like top students.

Unfortunately, when thinking about immigration policy, our elites tells us to think only in terms of schmaltzy sentimentality.

Shapiro’s point #3 is exactly what Trump was talking about: he was taking a stand against two kinds of immigration that are based on country-of-origins rather than the qualifications of individual immigration applicants: the Diversity Visa Lottery and the Temporary Protected Status for immigrants from countries such as El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, and Nicaragua, too incompetent to deal well with their natural disasters. He was resisting a sleight-of-hand attempt by some Senators to re-allocate the 50,000 Diversity visas to the TPS program, which only benefits people from countries where the culture doesn’t deal adequately with disasters like floods and earthquakes.

Time Magazine has an informative summary of what Trump was talking about:

Here’s the Plan Trump Was Attacking When He Said ‘Shithole Countries’

By RYAN TEAGUE BECKWITH and MAYA RHODAN 12:57 PM EST

… Lost in the furor over his “shithole” comment is the argument that Trump was making at the time.

The White House held the meeting to discuss a bipartisan immigration deal that would help undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children who got relief under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival program, foreign nationals who fled manmade and natural disasters and received temporary protected status (TPS) in the U.S. and immigrants seeking to come to the U.S. through a diversity lottery.

… As part of a harsher approach to immigration, the Trump Administration has sought to end TPS, or temporary protected status, for several groups of people who have been living in the United States for years:

• 200,000 people who fled El Salvador during a deadly civil war in 1990 and after a catastrophic earthquake in 2001,

• 58,000 people who fled Haiti after a deadly 2010 earthquake,

• 57,000 people who fled Honduras after a devastating hurricane in 1999, and

• 2,500 people who fled Nicaragua after the same hurricane

As the name implies, TPS was originally designed to allow refugees to stay in the U.S. for a short time, and it has to be renewed every 18 months. But since conditions have often not improved and ending the protection could pose a political risk, past administrations have typically done so.

… Trump’s revocation of temporary protected status for these four countries, not all of which have been finalized, put all of them at risk of immediate deportation, which in some cases could mean breaking up families.

The bipartisan group working on an immigration bill to present to Trump were looking for a way to help those people remain in the U.S. That’s where the second part comes in.

Another element of Trump’s stricter approach to immigration has been his proposal to end the Diversity Visa Lottery program, also known as the green card lottery. Under the program, the State Department offers 50,000 visas each year to immigrants from parts of the world where relatively few people have recently immigrated from.

Trump blamed a New York City attack in November on the lottery program, arguing that it was “helping to import Europe’s problems” and that the U.S. should instead move to a merit-based immigration system. …

Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.

That’s where the compromise came in. The bipartisan group recommended taking some of the diversity visa lottery slots for immigrants and instead giving them to people who had been covered under temporary protected status.

According to accounts of the meeting, that’s when Trump proposed removing Haitians from the plan.

During the discussion of the green card lottery, Trump repeated his criticism of the program, arguing that African immigrants were coming from “shithole countries.”

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” he said, according to a Washington Post account.

Moreover, the chain migration nature of immigration means that country-of-origin based programs like the Diversity Visa Lottery and TPS establish beachheads in the U.S. for far more immigrants to follow.

Not surprisingly, people in countries with low Human Development Indices (Haiti, for instance, ranks #163 on the UN listing, while Norway ranks #1) tend to see immigrating to the U.S. as beneficial to them and their clans no matter how little they may contribute to America, while Norwegians are likely to immigrate to the U.S. only if their talents are such that they will be highly rewarded in the U.S.

The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy, or whether the other seven billion people on Earth have a civil right to move here.

 
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  1. HBD Guy says:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump’s promise to “build the wall” has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A “benefactor” might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a “patron” $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the “President’s Circle” – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson’s Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so “Fund the Wall” open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be “collectible,” and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.

    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These “build the wall” camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early ’60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America’s traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made “the Wall” a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump’s many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump’s exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Put windmills and solar panels on top of the wall to generate energy. But giant digital screens along it like the have on the sidelines of European soccer games to broadcast ads.
    , @Buck
    Another idea to fund the wall: sell one million green cards for $15,000 apiece, deport everyone else. They weren't patriotic enough to come up with the equivalent cost of a used sedan.
    , @Travis
    impose a fine of $7,500 on each dreamer...this will raise $8 billion , enough to construct a wall and significant fencing along most of the Mexican border.

    increase the Green card application fees to fund the increased border patrols...currently a green card application costs $1,200 - the same fee we charged 20 years ago when my wife applied, after she was fined $1,200 and forced to leave the United States (as she had over-stayed her visa)

    25 years ago the coyotes (human smugglers) charged just $500 to cross my brother-in-law across the Rio Grande....today they charge $5,000. The aliens who apply for green cards can certainly afford to pay a $5,000 application fee, non-refundable and forfeited if the alien lies on the application...

    any compromise which allows DACA recipients to obtain green cards must end the Diversity Lottery and include funding for the Wall...ending the diversity lottery is actually more important than the wall. Over the last decade half the recipients of the diversity Lottery have been muslims, and they bring an average of 3 family members with them...Ideally we would cap Legal immigration at 500,000 per year but even a cap of 950,000 per year would be an improvement over the 1,400,000 we allowed to immigrate last year.
    , @Barnard
    CDs? Billy Ray Cyrus? I have a dream that one day I will be as completely divorced from our popular culture as Weissberg must be today. It has to be a wonderful life.
    , @Joe Stalin
    "Since 1998, Chicago Public Schools has required students to complete 40 service-learning hours in order to graduate." Border states to Mexico could implement a similar requirement and incorporate wall constructing as a fulfilling such a requirement. I'd say that is a win-win; the US get part of a border wall, the student gets construction credits on their resume.
    , @Qin Emperor
    With the new Medicaid work requirement, the trend is clear. A new FDR style Work Progress Administration for the modern time that can get the wall build with Corvée labor.

    Convert Section 8 vouchers to wall building work camp barrack. Food stamps to work camp food rations. Full medical benefits included. That's how the Great Wall was built, and made it great.

    That should get full employment going for a while. No more worry for economic anxieties.
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  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp

    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don’t support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

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    • Agree: SMK
    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    The best part is that the US has below replacement fertility rates. We aren't just extracting the smartest people from the 3rd world- we are systematically eliminating intelligence from the human species.

    I think this is what Christians mean when they talk about something being Satanic.
    , @anon
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia

    Doesn't Ethiopia probably need them more?

    What a stupid bitch.

    , @Seamus Padraig
    My sentiments exactly. Importing educated elites is ultimately just as bad as importing a new underclass, albeit in a different way. Just witness all the dislocation caused by the H1B visa program in fields like IT. No, whether they're underclass or upperclass, the sole criterion in determining whether immigrants should be let in is whether the country as a whole actually needs them--not whether the Chamber of Commerce merely wants them.
    , @J.Ross
    >African
    >bachelor's degrees
    You gotta figure African universities have the best "African studies" programs.
    , @bomag

    43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
     
    As noted, importing people with tacked on credentials does not equal improvement.

    The debate needs to be about maintaining what we have, not engaging in some grand experiment to fix the world by hauling everyone inside our borders.
    , @SMK
    Moreover, if not for the invasion of tens of millions of nonwhite legal and illegal aliens from the Third-World and all their offspring, if European-Americans were still almost 90% of the population, as they were in the mid-1960's, and the population of the U.S. was roughly the same as it was then, there would be no need to import all these doctors from the Third-World. And there would also be no need for as many lawyers who, generally, do far more harm than good, especially when representing nonwhites who claims that their "civil rights" were violated and/or that they were victims of "racial discrimination.
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  3. TWS says:

    The littlest chicken hawk trying to tell me because my dysfunctional neighbors have a shitty house they’ll probably produce better citizens than my children with a clean well maintained house.

    Interesting, I guess white south Africans are better fit for America than Israelis.

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    The littlest chicken hawk trying to tell me because my dysfunctional neighbors have a shitty house they’ll probably produce better citizens than my children with a clean well maintained house.
     
    Yes, this IS a line from the goodthinkers. They're all about the delta; newcomers going from hovel to hut thrills them more than a native maintaining a house.
    , @Daniel H
    >>Interesting, I guess white south Africans are better fit for America than Israelis.

    Of course they are, and you know it. White South Africans would arrive here with a sense of relief and gratitude, Israelis will arrive here with a sense of entitlement, grudge and resentment. Have you met many Israelis? Do you know many?
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  4. Do the seven other billion people on earth have a civil right to move to the USA?

    Apparently yes if they’re likely to vote Democrat.

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  5. istevefan says:

    1. Some countries suck.
    2. That does not mean the people seeking to immigrate from those countries do. Often, it’s precisely the opposite.

    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?

    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it’s just modern day colonialism.

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    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?
     
    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it’s just modern day colonialism.

    Very good. Especially the part about resource extraction being a form of colonialism. The best we can do is keep everybody in their personal shithole country and have the elites make the shithole less brown? Deep? Wide? Help me out here. LOL
    , @RebelWriter
    Ask Ben if the same logic applies to Africans in Israel.
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  6. nigel says:

    Access to white people is a human right.

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    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @anon
    And their money.
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  7. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer.

    Or Mehmet Oz, the friend of Oprah/ heart surgeon/talk show host.

    Really, the visa lottery and chain migration make much more sense when you’re dealing with higher quality countries, because the odds are higher that the nth Norwegian lottery winner or relative of a current resident will be a high potential immigrant than the nth Haitian will be. And Norway has more high potential people to spare than Haiti does.

    So, if someone tells Trump about the Human Development Index, he can offer to keep the visa lottery and chain migration, but only for countries ranked higher than the U.S., since immigrants from those countries will be more likely to improve our ranking.

    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

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    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?
     
    Racial spoils system. More blacks means more Black voters. More Black voters means more Black elected officials.
    , @Alec Leamas

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?
     
    The most important thing to Black leadership isn't the welfare of blacks whom they are meant to represent, but rather contributing to the brown wave to displace whites as the majority population, which point they will be in a position to exact revenge.
    , @Gunner
    The Black Caucus is betting that the Africans and their children will continue to vote for them and their brain dead family politicos.
    , @Dave Bowman

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?
     
    UMMmm... That would be because all members of the "Congressional Black Caucus" - whatever the hell that might be - I'm British - are... umm... Black. You see - To a Black, any Black of any shade from any background is better than any White.

    It's about race, stupid. And that's how they like it.
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  8. Mr. Anon says:

    1. Some countries suck.
    2. That does not mean the people seeking to immigrate from those countries do. Often, it’s precisely the opposite.

    How did those countries come to suck? Isn’t it worth considering the possibility that a lot of the people who come from those countries that suck do indeed themselves suck? And that it is their suckiness that made their home countries suck?

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  9. gp says:

    Go and make screenprints of all the Haiti relief websites. Right now, they all say “Haiti is a sh!thole, we need your money and help.” I bet that by next week, they’ve been subtly changed to “Haiti is a vibrant, fascinating but poor island paradise; we need your money and help.”

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  10. gunner29 says:
    @istevefan

    1. Some countries suck.
    2. That does not mean the people seeking to immigrate from those countries do. Often, it’s precisely the opposite.
     
    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?

    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it's just modern day colonialism.

    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?

    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it’s just modern day colonialism.

    Very good. Especially the part about resource extraction being a form of colonialism. The best we can do is keep everybody in their personal shithole country and have the elites make the shithole less brown? Deep? Wide? Help me out here. LOL

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    • Replies: @CrunchyButRealistCon
    It is painful to watch Ben Shapiro try to massage the narrative to keep anti-Neocon world views from becoming mainstream. Egalitarianism is still sacrosanct to him & only certain countries are allowed to use ethnocentric bias in their immigration criteria. He is on ever thinner ice as the anti-European population replacement agenda of the post 1960 Elite becomes impossible to ignore.
    Whatever lil Ben, just keep peddling your bland bargain Neoconnery & double standards.....
    , @Bill jones
    I have never seen a rationale as to why the US needs any immigration at all.
    The case for forcible emigration of some is undeniable.
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  11. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @HBD Guy
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump's promise to "build the wall" has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A "benefactor" might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a "patron" $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the "President's Circle" – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson's Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so "Fund the Wall" open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be "collectible," and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.


    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These "build the wall" camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early '60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America's traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made "the Wall" a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump's many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump's exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

    Put windmills and solar panels on top of the wall to generate energy. But giant digital screens along it like the have on the sidelines of European soccer games to broadcast ads.

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  12. syonredux says:

    We shouldn’t use country of origin as central rationale for immigration or against it, which is why visa diversity lottery is bad.

    Ah, yes, the old meritocracy argument. Just let in high-quality people while excluding the riff-raff. Well, it’s certainly better than our current system, which is rigged in favor of admitting the incompetent. But it elides an important issue: nations are defined by things like race and ethnicity. Let’s say that the USA admitted only high-performing Muslims , Mestizos, and Blacks (elementary statistics: they exist). Would that be beneficial to White Anglo-Americans, the historic core of the American nation? Clearly not.

    From the standpoint of White Anglo-Americans, mediocre European immigrants are better than high-performing Muslims, Mestizos, and Blacks.

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    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "From the standpoint of White Anglo-Americans, mediocre European immigrants are better than high-performing Muslims, Mestizos, and Blacks." Are you going to guarantee that after a generation these mediocres aren't like the majority of Walmart shoppers?
    , @TWS
    So if we took them all we'd get what a few thousand? What would we do year two?
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  13. Berty says:

    Poor Ben hasn’t gotten over being humiliated defending Michelle Fields.

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  14. Trump would have more leverage if were actively deporting people, rather than endlessly negotiating who to deport and when to deport them.

    This “shithole”uproar is really just a by product of his unwillingness to keep his campaign promise to kill DACA on his first day in office.

    He doesn’t have a much time as he thinks to fix this mess.

    Aim high, shoot low.

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    • Agree: Thomas
    • Replies: @Berty
    As I've said before, the main issue plaguing the Trump administration is that it lacks any sort of consistent message or tone. It's constantly at war with itself and as a result can't satisfy anyone. And Trump deserves some measure of the blame for that because of his negligence and unwillingness to insert himself more deeply into policy matters.
    , @Thomas
    Amen. If he spent half as much effort exercising his Constitutional powers and duties (assuming he even knows what they are) as trying to strike "deals" or making himself the center of the news, we'd be in a better place. Would that he would've just gone for the easy flat immigration moratorium than trying to pick and choose.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I'm currently watching the Dems tear themselves apart over DACA and you're crying into your soy that he didn't end it on Day One.

    You and the rest of the DRUMPF crowd should stick to golf and movie threads.
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  15. syonredux says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer.
     
    Or Mehmet Oz, the friend of Oprah/ heart surgeon/talk show host.

    Really, the visa lottery and chain migration make much more sense when you're dealing with higher quality countries, because the odds are higher that the nth Norwegian lottery winner or relative of a current resident will be a high potential immigrant than the nth Haitian will be. And Norway has more high potential people to spare than Haiti does.

    So, if someone tells Trump about the Human Development Index, he can offer to keep the visa lottery and chain migration, but only for countries ranked higher than the U.S., since immigrants from those countries will be more likely to improve our ranking.

    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.
     
    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    Racial spoils system. More blacks means more Black voters. More Black voters means more Black elected officials.

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  16. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Ben Shapiro is wrong. Just like there can’t be “bad schools” only “bad students”, shithole countries are only shitholes because the majority of people in them are shit. Beyond the top 0.1% the rest are all shit. That’s why the more you import from these countries the more likely you’ll end up with shit immigrants.

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    shithole countries are only shitholes because the majority of people in them are shit. Beyond the top 0.1% the rest are all shit.
     
    If you take only the top 0.1%, that would be a very reasonable idea - better to be on the safe side. But the actual pool of capable people can be a lot higher in many shitholes. There are many shitholes where it's not all the population's fault, or only the fault of the majority of the population - leaving a significant segment of competent people.

    Ukraine is not a exactly a country with a great standard of living, so let's call it a shithole (a very nice country to visit - as a tourist).

    Imagine America has a new program, where they can accurately select the top 10% of the total Ukrainian population, according to their individual academic and social qualities. And they give them all a US passport. The quality of accurately selected 4.2 million Ukrainian immigrants entering the United States on this program, would clearly be a lot better than the average person in America (even if the quality of the average person in America may be significantly higher than the quality of the average person in Ukraine).

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  17. @Anonymous

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp
     
    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don't support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

    The best part is that the US has below replacement fertility rates. We aren’t just extracting the smartest people from the 3rd world- we are systematically eliminating intelligence from the human species.

    I think this is what Christians mean when they talk about something being Satanic.

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    See also: IQ Shredder.
    , @Corvinus
    "The best part is that the US has below replacement fertility rates."

    Indeed, a tragedy of epic proportions. We need to teach white young men and women that THE number one question before moving forward--to what extent are you concerned about RFR's? Why?

    A great conversation starter at the local watering hole. Perhaps Roosh and Roissy could each create a primer, considering their decided interest in future fatherhood.

    After all, this issue is of fundamental importance to the white race.
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  18. Lagertha says:

    I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country! What galls me is this ridiculous notion that liberals have (and some cheap labor-loving conservatives), that somehow, filling your country up with sketchy/illiterate/marginally educated people, particularly men, is a good thing…a righteous thing…and couch it in schmaltz, as you said.

    And, all immigrants want to come to USA, Europe (particularly, high-functioning north), Australia…Canada ( cold weather makes it less appealing – plus, their benefits are not nearly as good as Sweden’s). It’s silly to suggest that people do not come for the freebies in wealthier, organized, relatively safe countries. USA needs to be “extremely selective” like Stanford, as you say.

    OT: Another idea that should scare not quite millionaire, so-called Progressives: I predict that at some point, all private schools will be forced to close, and that all public schools within a county, will be lottery based. Private schools will be declared “inequitable towards the common good of integrating immigrants.”

    There is such a push for regionalization in New England, right now. Not only does the mostly, Democrat legislature want to get their hands on our property taxes, they are actively pushing for low-income housing in all perceived, wealthy towns. The cat is out of the bag, ergo, baby boomers are moving out of state in droves. Metoo, indeed.

    Massachusetts and CT will turn into Jersey very soon, as land is being developed for apartment complexes. Bears, deer, coyotes, (now Moose) are gonna revolt! Most real estate owners (land and existing apartments in my area) are NYC bankers. Very scary: “slum lord” is gonna come back; I already see it in my friends’ lives – widows, widowers, and divorced men & women forced to live in sub-par housing with crap like leaky ceilings in new buildings, while their kids finish public HS. The idea is: no more town control over their property taxes and excellent schools…everything is about creating a perpetual underclass for Democrats to always be voted in! I wish I could get New Zealand citizenship, sigh.

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    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "
    , @oddsbodkins
    "I wish I could get New Zealand citizenship, sigh."

    Sorry man, but your country is a shithole and it needs you to stay home and work on it.
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  19. Dmitry says:

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer. The fewer huddled masses, the better.

    Larger numbers would generally result in lower quality – if you were only trying to select for quality. But the first stage, which is missing, is to have such a policy where the government is specifically selecting immigrants only for their quality. Most countries seem to be missing this first stage (your Turkish example was not an issue of an admissions policy lowering its academic standards, but of an admissions policy with no academic standards to begin with).

    Then the question of how effectively the government is able to select for only the best immigrants, with the desirable individual qualities – should be able to bypass this issue you write about.

    That’s not to say that it would desirable to have any immigrants, from any countries – and if so, what quantity should be taken each year. Those are all separate. But the thing everyone should be able to agree on, is that if the government does allow in any immigrants, the government should be very picky about the particular characteristics of who they do and don’t let in.

    There is a dynamic where immigrants from countries which suck, can be on average better than immigrants from countries which don’t suck. People in countries which suck are far more likely emigrate – and that means there is a much larger pool of candidates to select from.

    While emigrants from countries which don’t suck, can perhaps more often be oddballs and failures in their country of origin, which is why they are motivated to leave their paradises (e.g. the strange American expats living in Russia).

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    "But the thing everyone should be able to agree on, is that if the government does allow in any immigrants, the government should be very picky about the particular characteristics of who they do and don’t let in."

    Exactly! Model it after the 1924 Immigration Act, which significantly curtailed those dirty, swarthy, Catholic hordes from Eastern and Southern Europe. And in essence banned Japanese, too.

    They all have to go back.
    , @The Alarmist

    "While emigrants from countries which don’t suck, can perhaps more often be oddballs and failures in their country of origin, which is why they are motivated to leave their paradises (e.g. the strange American expats living in Russia)."
     
    Aside from the occasional Yank teaching English or retired military folks, I don't see many "oddball" Americans living abroad. The few American professionals I see living abroad tend to live better abroad than they would on a comparable package in the US, even with the higher tax rates in some countries.
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  20. 22pp22 says:

    I have had a very pleasant afternoon snooze and I woke up with the word shithole on my mind.

    When I was an academic, I interacted with American academics a lot. They were SJW’s to a manfemthingbot, and they used to delight in telling me that Britain was a shithole. My feelings did not matter.

    Last June, I went back to Britain for the first time in 12 years, and where Britain is still British, it is very very far from being a shithole. That includes quite poor places like Pwllheli in North Wales.

    The only reason Anderson Cooper blubbed on TV when Haiti was described as a shithole is because it is a shithole and he knows it.

    I pity these people. Being one of the cool kids is an exercise in emoting on cue and publicly telling lies that everyone knows are lies.

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    Haiti is not a shithole; Haiti is a hellhole.

    A shithole country is merely crappy; A hellhole is evil.
    , @Drunk Idiot

    The only reason Anderson Cooper blubbed on TV when Haiti was described as a shithole is because it is a shithole and he knows it.”
     
    Maybe another reason why Mr. Cooper “blubbed on TV When Haiti was described as a shithole” is because he may have had his own, ahem, shithole serviced satisfactorily by some of the strapping young Haitian locals back when he was there to report on the hurricane.
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    OT: back to shithole Haiti…

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/liberal-activist-is-brutally-raped-in-haiti-by-a-black-man-blames-white-men/

    Liberal Activist Is Brutally Raped in Haiti by a Black Man – Blames White Men

    Amanda Kijera was on a humanitarian trip to Haiti, when she was violently raped by a black man. The act was both coincidental and devastating, as Kijera was actually in Haiti to dispel the “myths” that violence against women on the island was overstated by women’s rights organizations. The intention of Kijera’s trip was to push back on the portrayal of black men as “savages” in the media. Her hope was that she would eliminate misconceptions and push back against common views imposed by “the man.” However, Kijera’s trip took a turn for the worse when one of the men she had worked to protect cornered her on the rooftop, and raped her numerous times.

    “The experience was almost more than I could bear,” Kijera wrote about the incident, “I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care.”

    According to Kijera, she eventually stopped fighting him, claiming that there was nothing she could do to stop him from raping her repeatedly. After the tragic experience, she placed the blame on a very unexpected course. Women are not the source of their oppression; oppressive policies and the as-yet unaddressed white patriarchy which still dominates the global stage are,” she explained.

    She also went on to argue that it is up to the United Nations to support people who are forced to bear the brunt of black male aggression. Kijera makes the outrageous claim that dependency on white people causes them to act out against them. She alludes that this was the reason for her attack.

    Hmmm, how to end dependency on white people?

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    Another silly women, a preening 'human rights' journalist, demanded rough sex back in the US to 'cure' her PTSD obtained while listening to Haitian rape stories six years ago.

    https://www.good.is/articles/how-violent-sex-helped-ease-my-ptsd

    So in this case was Kijera's rape self-correcting given that it was simultaneously rough? Her idiotic lashing out at white men might suggest as much.

    (The earlier lady, Mac McClelland, came to my attention after she wrote a useless book on Burma. Hunter S. Thompson's epigone's are weak indeed.)

    , @Anonymous
    Why doesn't she just say that she enjoyed it? She can still blame white men if she wants. We don't mind.
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  22. George says:

    News from Iceland:
    Foreign Workers Drive Economic Growth

    http://icelandreview.com/news/2017/09/13/foreign-workers-drive-economic-growth

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  23. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp
     
    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don't support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia

    Doesn’t Ethiopia probably need them more?

    What a stupid bitch.

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  24. Dmon says:

    What if we run solar powered coast to coast high speed rail along the top of the wall? Jerry Brown should be on board with that. He’s already spent way more than the cost of the wall without a single crosstie to show for it. Maybe these diversity types have it right – we encouraged all those Irish to assimilate, and now you can’t get one damn mile of track laid in this country to save your life.

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  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    The best part is that the US has below replacement fertility rates. We aren't just extracting the smartest people from the 3rd world- we are systematically eliminating intelligence from the human species.

    I think this is what Christians mean when they talk about something being Satanic.

    See also: IQ Shredder.

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  26. The UN is making a list of countries that are not shitholes, so that the people from shithole countries will know which way to set their compasses. In most cases that would be north.

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    Steve, any thoughts on Stormy Daniels?

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  28. Dmitry says:
    @anon
    Ben Shapiro is wrong. Just like there can't be "bad schools" only "bad students", shithole countries are only shitholes because the majority of people in them are shit. Beyond the top 0.1% the rest are all shit. That's why the more you import from these countries the more likely you'll end up with shit immigrants.

    shithole countries are only shitholes because the majority of people in them are shit. Beyond the top 0.1% the rest are all shit.

    If you take only the top 0.1%, that would be a very reasonable idea – better to be on the safe side. But the actual pool of capable people can be a lot higher in many shitholes. There are many shitholes where it’s not all the population’s fault, or only the fault of the majority of the population – leaving a significant segment of competent people.

    Ukraine is not a exactly a country with a great standard of living, so let’s call it a shithole (a very nice country to visit – as a tourist).

    Imagine America has a new program, where they can accurately select the top 10% of the total Ukrainian population, according to their individual academic and social qualities. And they give them all a US passport. The quality of accurately selected 4.2 million Ukrainian immigrants entering the United States on this program, would clearly be a lot better than the average person in America (even if the quality of the average person in America may be significantly higher than the quality of the average person in Ukraine).

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  29. Altai says:

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer. The fewer huddled masses, the better.

    I think this may have been in an iSteve post about the referendum since it’s hosted on unz (But there’s so many I tried a tineye search and it couldn’t distinguish between maps using the same template) but it’s fascinating to see how Turks abroad voted in regards Erdogan’s referendum. As can be observed the bulk of Turkish citizens in the countries that ran guest worker programmes for Turks in the 50s through the 70s are the blue ones, (And Macedonia) they got all the Eastern Anatolian peasants who are the base of the AKP.

    The red countries have mostly secular urban professionals coming on visas for skilled workers. Ie, there are far fewer Turkish immigrants in the red countries.

    This also demonstrates a lie in immigration rhetoric. The early immigrants (At least into still homogeneous nations) will be people prepared to adapt or industrious for specific opportunities (Contra the Zeitgeist, feeling uncomfortable that you don’t speak the language and are an outsider is healthy and good if that indeed the case!) as the numbers of the community grow they’ll attract people who are less industrious and less comfortable in foreign cultures who quite like living in a bubble. (This likely includes the bulk of all human populations and most iSteve readers, it’s a not values judgement just an observation)

    As an example, when my mother went to live in Copenhagen in the 70s/80s, she wasn’t some super linguist and only spoke English, but she simply adapted and became fluent in Danish. This was helped by there not being so many immigrants all using English as a lingua franca (There were a couple thousand Poles who all realised you could get asylum by claiming to be a political prisoner, though quite why so many feckless lowly factory workers were deemed a threat to the regime was never discovered.) with the most conspicuous immigrants being Turks actually. Even though my mother is very liberal she’ll always complain about how terrible the Turks were and how awful their culture was, especially compared to Danish society, she could never understand why they rejected it. (I’d have to agree, Danish society is the best in the world as far as I’m concerned)

    Now there is a sizeable (Though thanks to the Danish Peoples Party, a lot less than most Western European capitals, I’m not sure how they keep EU immigrants away, but they even seem to do that too, it’s a paradise of a real city filled with real Danes compared to Dublin.) immigrant population who all speak English amongst each other and are happy living in their bubbles with lots of guys who are really unconscientious who come over because there is an established base, (The effort it’d take for them to try and live without that support network would be enough deterrent to make them stay away) they all tell each other about job offers and otherwise cooperate in a way which disadvantages Danes. There’s a lot of burnouts who’ve never tried to learn a lick of Danish. Of course they do it because they’re not sure if they’ll stay or go and, of course, this decision is there’s to make, not Denmarks. Often the ethnic cooperation is the kind of competitive advantage they couldn’t tap into at home that allows them a better standard of living. It’s something that I don’t see being brought up so much outside the likes of Infosys.

    Ahmed will leave if he ever decides he doesn’t like it, but Denmark can’t make Ahmed leave if they don’t like him.

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  30. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.

    Imagine that!

    This is one of those things that makes it difficult to maintain my sunny and pacifistic disposition.

    How can you understand this, and not see what’s going on? Time magazine is almost giving the game away here, aren’t they?

    “Yes, white people,” they almost say, “we want to replace you so that people like the Congressional Black Caucus will have more power and you will have less. That’s it. That’s the only reason. What are you going to do about it?”

    But the way they come that close to admitting it, but maintaining plausible deniability, is really obnoxious.

    And I don’t feel like I’m some kind of genius or something. This seems like something the average person should be able to figure out. Why are there so many people who can’t? Is it that easy to cow people?

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  31. Corvinus says:
    @Samuel Skinner
    The best part is that the US has below replacement fertility rates. We aren't just extracting the smartest people from the 3rd world- we are systematically eliminating intelligence from the human species.

    I think this is what Christians mean when they talk about something being Satanic.

    “The best part is that the US has below replacement fertility rates.”

    Indeed, a tragedy of epic proportions. We need to teach white young men and women that THE number one question before moving forward–to what extent are you concerned about RFR’s? Why?

    A great conversation starter at the local watering hole. Perhaps Roosh and Roissy could each create a primer, considering their decided interest in future fatherhood.

    After all, this issue is of fundamental importance to the white race.

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  32. Corvinus says:
    @Dmitry

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer. The fewer huddled masses, the better.
     
    Larger numbers would generally result in lower quality - if you were only trying to select for quality. But the first stage, which is missing, is to have such a policy where the government is specifically selecting immigrants only for their quality. Most countries seem to be missing this first stage (your Turkish example was not an issue of an admissions policy lowering its academic standards, but of an admissions policy with no academic standards to begin with).

    Then the question of how effectively the government is able to select for only the best immigrants, with the desirable individual qualities - should be able to bypass this issue you write about.

    That's not to say that it would desirable to have any immigrants, from any countries - and if so, what quantity should be taken each year. Those are all separate. But the thing everyone should be able to agree on, is that if the government does allow in any immigrants, the government should be very picky about the particular characteristics of who they do and don't let in.

    There is a dynamic where immigrants from countries which suck, can be on average better than immigrants from countries which don't suck. People in countries which suck are far more likely emigrate - and that means there is a much larger pool of candidates to select from.

    While emigrants from countries which don't suck, can perhaps more often be oddballs and failures in their country of origin, which is why they are motivated to leave their paradises (e.g. the strange American expats living in Russia).

    “But the thing everyone should be able to agree on, is that if the government does allow in any immigrants, the government should be very picky about the particular characteristics of who they do and don’t let in.”

    Exactly! Model it after the 1924 Immigration Act, which significantly curtailed those dirty, swarthy, Catholic hordes from Eastern and Southern Europe. And in essence banned Japanese, too.

    They all have to go back.

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    Wow, Corvinus. Never heard that before. Not even once, much less a thousand or so times.
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  33. @Anonymous

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp
     
    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don't support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

    My sentiments exactly. Importing educated elites is ultimately just as bad as importing a new underclass, albeit in a different way. Just witness all the dislocation caused by the H1B visa program in fields like IT. No, whether they’re underclass or upperclass, the sole criterion in determining whether immigrants should be let in is whether the country as a whole actually needs them–not whether the Chamber of Commerce merely wants them.

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    Exhibit A for your point is the influx of Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Yes, most have been good citizens and have contributed to society as a whole.

    But the damage done to traditional America by a small percentage of them is irreparable. They and their progeny have worked tirelessly to undermine traditional American values and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The progressive movement in this once great nation could not have succeeded as it has without them.
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    @Anonymous

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp
     
    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don't support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

    >African
    >bachelor’s degrees
    You gotta figure African universities have the best “African studies” programs.

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  35. Corvinus says:
    @Lagertha
    I'm waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country! What galls me is this ridiculous notion that liberals have (and some cheap labor-loving conservatives), that somehow, filling your country up with sketchy/illiterate/marginally educated people, particularly men, is a good thing...a righteous thing...and couch it in schmaltz, as you said.

    And, all immigrants want to come to USA, Europe (particularly, high-functioning north), Australia...Canada ( cold weather makes it less appealing - plus, their benefits are not nearly as good as Sweden's). It's silly to suggest that people do not come for the freebies in wealthier, organized, relatively safe countries. USA needs to be "extremely selective" like Stanford, as you say.

    OT: Another idea that should scare not quite millionaire, so-called Progressives: I predict that at some point, all private schools will be forced to close, and that all public schools within a county, will be lottery based. Private schools will be declared "inequitable towards the common good of integrating immigrants."

    There is such a push for regionalization in New England, right now. Not only does the mostly, Democrat legislature want to get their hands on our property taxes, they are actively pushing for low-income housing in all perceived, wealthy towns. The cat is out of the bag, ergo, baby boomers are moving out of state in droves. Metoo, indeed.

    Massachusetts and CT will turn into Jersey very soon, as land is being developed for apartment complexes. Bears, deer, coyotes, (now Moose) are gonna revolt! Most real estate owners (land and existing apartments in my area) are NYC bankers. Very scary: "slum lord" is gonna come back; I already see it in my friends' lives - widows, widowers, and divorced men & women forced to live in sub-par housing with crap like leaky ceilings in new buildings, while their kids finish public HS. The idea is: no more town control over their property taxes and excellent schools...everything is about creating a perpetual underclass for Democrats to always be voted in! I wish I could get New Zealand citizenship, sigh.

    “I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!”

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010…

    “Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti’s own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. “

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    The long occupation point assumes that the length of the occupation was punitive or that its effect was destructive. Free slave experiment Liberia had white administrators because it had to, and when they left early in the Twentieth century Liberia predictably fell apart.
    , @bomag

    Kind of difficult in light of the past...
     
    Do you really think that if history was re-wound and run according to your policies, Haiti would end up any different?

    Haitian accomplishment is an emergent characteristic of countries with the human capital of Haiti.

    , @Hunsdon
    How many Haitians are you supporting?
    , @anon
    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions?

    Yep. Fascinating how black people always have some kind of excuse for why they can't do anything right, isn't it?

    Can I ask you a serious question? Would there ever be an excuse black people came up with that you wouldn't automatically believe? What would it look like? Can you give me an example of an excuse for black failure that you wouldn't believe?

    , @Samuel Skinner

    They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt.
     
    Yeah, it is so weird that after giving an order to murder every white person on the island, countries full of white people might have misgivings about dealing with Haiti.

    More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti’s own institutions had atrophied.
     
    Oddly this dynamic does not seem to have impacted Germany or Japan which were also occupied by the United States.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions
     
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-really-ruined-haiti-black-power/
    , @Mr. Anon

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country.
     
    It destroyed the whites and mulattos, the absence of whom resulted in Haiti becoming a shithole.

    Cuba endured a long revolution too, and the enmity of the United States. It hasn't ended up as bad as Haiti.

    None-the-less, your faith in the plucky haitian people is touching. You should go live there. Send us a postcard.

    , @anon
    They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt.

    Would you do me a favor and look up whether or not they actually paid this?

    Because if, just hypothetically, they never did, then it's a little hard to see how it impoverished them.
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  36. Altai says:

    Shithole is a such an ugly term, why didn’t Trump say ‘loser country’.

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    Shithole is easier. We have so many videos of migrants shitting in Paris. London and Rome streets these days, that the term does not waiver in the truth.
    , @Realist
    Because shithole is more accurate.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Shithole is a such an ugly term

     

    The term wasn't just made up...


    You Probably Don't Want To Know About Haiti's Sewage Problems
    ...Port-au-Prince, Haiti, is one of the largest cities in the world without a central sewage system. There are no sewers connecting sinks, showers and toilets to hulking wastewater treatment plants. Most of the more than 3 million people in the metro area use outhouses

     

    Haiti's 'Bayakou': Hauling Away Human Excrement By Hand


    Video: Dirty job shows why cholera still kills in Haiti
    ...They squeeze into a cramped outhouse with a reeking pit to scoop buckets of human excrement with their bare hands.
    It's just another night's work for this four-man team of "bayakou"

     

    , @anon
    I think we should call them "the country that did not win".

    Sorry I can't find the clip from the mini golf episode.
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  37. Buck says:
    @HBD Guy
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump's promise to "build the wall" has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A "benefactor" might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a "patron" $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the "President's Circle" – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson's Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so "Fund the Wall" open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be "collectible," and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.


    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These "build the wall" camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early '60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America's traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made "the Wall" a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump's many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump's exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

    Another idea to fund the wall: sell one million green cards for $15,000 apiece, deport everyone else. They weren’t patriotic enough to come up with the equivalent cost of a used sedan.

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  38. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp
     
    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don't support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

    43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.

    As noted, importing people with tacked on credentials does not equal improvement.

    The debate needs to be about maintaining what we have, not engaging in some grand experiment to fix the world by hauling everyone inside our borders.

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  39. Travis says:
    @HBD Guy
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump's promise to "build the wall" has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A "benefactor" might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a "patron" $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the "President's Circle" – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson's Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so "Fund the Wall" open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be "collectible," and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.


    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These "build the wall" camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early '60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America's traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made "the Wall" a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump's many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump's exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

    impose a fine of $7,500 on each dreamer…this will raise $8 billion , enough to construct a wall and significant fencing along most of the Mexican border.

    increase the Green card application fees to fund the increased border patrols…currently a green card application costs $1,200 – the same fee we charged 20 years ago when my wife applied, after she was fined $1,200 and forced to leave the United States (as she had over-stayed her visa)

    25 years ago the coyotes (human smugglers) charged just $500 to cross my brother-in-law across the Rio Grande….today they charge $5,000. The aliens who apply for green cards can certainly afford to pay a $5,000 application fee, non-refundable and forfeited if the alien lies on the application…

    any compromise which allows DACA recipients to obtain green cards must end the Diversity Lottery and include funding for the Wall…ending the diversity lottery is actually more important than the wall. Over the last decade half the recipients of the diversity Lottery have been muslims, and they bring an average of 3 family members with them…Ideally we would cap Legal immigration at 500,000 per year but even a cap of 950,000 per year would be an improvement over the 1,400,000 we allowed to immigrate last year.

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  40. The important question is can Trump deliver meaningful change?

    A conspiracy theorist might argue that he just threw some red meat to his base because he’s about to roll over on DACA and the wall.

    I think its just another case of Trump loose lips. And it will make it harder to kill the diversity lottery, because of accusations of racism.

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    It's annoying to see Scott Adams counter-signaling us.

    https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/951843981297565696

    The GOP hasn't won a Senate seat in California since 1990, and no "merit based" system is going to evict Kamala Harris and replace her with Dilbert.
    , @Jack Hanson
    The important question here is why are there so many cringing bugmen around here who think their Big Brain arguments are anything but fearful cringing?
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  41. eD says:

    There is kind of a case for the globalist argument here, if you look for it.

    In all four of the Central American and Caribbean countries Steve cited in his post, the United States repeatedly interfered in their internal politics, almost always to prop up corrupt oligarchies. This goes back to before the Civil War in one case and involved occupation by American troops in another case. For most of their histories as “independent” countries, all four have been U.S. protectorates.

    And it is common for people from current and former colonials to migrate to the home territories of the colonial powers.

    The U.S. government didn’t cause the earthquakes and hurricanes, of course, but it played a pretty big role in ensuring these countries couldn’t deal with earthquakes and hurricanes (of course it appears the U.S. government itself doesn’t handle hurricanes very well either).

    However, this is more of an argument against the imperialistic policies that produced this situation than an argument for immigration to the US from these countries. I find that globalists tend to be very thinly disguised 19th century imperialists. And the American people were not consulted and were often kept in the dark of what U.S. diplomats, marines, and businessmen were up to in these places and would bear the brunt of any problems caused by immigration from these places.

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    United States repeatedly interfered in their internal politics
     
    Yes, immigration is the punishment we bear for past sins. Our dear leaders should let us know when we've suffered enough so the punishment can end and we can have our country back. In the meantime we can quit being told that diversity is our strength and that immigration makes us stronger.

    Let's note here that countries such as Sweden and Canada get plenty of punishment from places where they did scant interference, but I suppose this falls under collateral damage.

    , @Chrisnonymous

    it played a pretty big role in ensuring these countries couldn’t deal with earthquakes and hurricanes
     
    LOL. Haitians would have reacted to their hurricane like the Japanese to their tsunami if not for the US? How would that work?
    , @TWS
    A hundred years ago just like today you didn't want shitholes stinking up the neighborhood. So sometimes you went in and made them clean up their house and use the facilities instead of pooping in the street.

    Now we realize shitholes will always be shitholes unless somebody stands over them with a stick to make sure they don't mess them up again. Since making someone clean up their mess is racist and we're stuck with every variety of reflexive libertarian, isolationist, and anti colonial sperg we're stuck with shitholes in the neighborhood.
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  42. bomag says:
    @TWS
    The littlest chicken hawk trying to tell me because my dysfunctional neighbors have a shitty house they'll probably produce better citizens than my children with a clean well maintained house.

    Interesting, I guess white south Africans are better fit for America than Israelis.

    The littlest chicken hawk trying to tell me because my dysfunctional neighbors have a shitty house they’ll probably produce better citizens than my children with a clean well maintained house.

    Yes, this IS a line from the goodthinkers. They’re all about the delta; newcomers going from hovel to hut thrills them more than a native maintaining a house.

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  43. IHTG says:

    The most dangerous man in America: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/368822-dems-fear-stephen-miller-ambush-on-immigration

    Amid Thursday’s meeting, Trump allegedly spurned a bipartisan effort to allow new immigrants –– even in reduced numbers –– from Africa, Haiti and El Salvador, characterizing them as “shithole countries.” The comments sparked an immediate outcry from lawmakers in both parties and has consumed much of the media’s attention over the last 36 hours.

    But the more damaging development to come from the meeting, the aide said, “was the Stephen Miller ambush.”

    “Everyone expects Trump to say stupid things, and obviously this is a new low,” the aide said.

    “But I think the more unhelpful thing is that Stephen Miller is feeling empowered and is apparently running the White House in terms of immigration policy, and has the ability to create this ambush situation.”

    The White House on Friday rejected that narrative, saying Trump had requested all the participants at the White House meeting. The president first spoke directly to Graham and Durbin by phone on Thursday, inviting them to the Oval Office later in the day to discuss their DACA proposal, according to a senior White House official. Afterwards, he asked his staff to “get Cotton and Purdue to come because they represent different viewpoints,” the official said.

    “And then he called Kevin McCarthy and he said, ‘I want some House folks to come as well.’ And then they picked up the conversation in the Oval Office,” the official said. “I couldn’t tell you if Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin knew who was going to be in the meeting when they walked in. But the president definitely invited them.

    “If they were surprised then they were surprised.”

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  44. JackOH says:

    “The fewer huddled masses, the better.”

    “The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy, or whether the other seven billion people on Earth have a civil right to move here.”

    Yep, it really is that simple. I’ve repeatedly said I’m okay with “temperate” immigration policies, to include economic immigrants, but the pro-immigration folks–such as churches seeking to fill pews with pious, dependent people–don’t have anything like temperance in mind, do they? Why is it forbidden to call a racket a racket? Gen. Smedley Butler called war a racket, Dr. Bob LeBow called American medicine a money racket.

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  45. @Lagertha
    I'm waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country! What galls me is this ridiculous notion that liberals have (and some cheap labor-loving conservatives), that somehow, filling your country up with sketchy/illiterate/marginally educated people, particularly men, is a good thing...a righteous thing...and couch it in schmaltz, as you said.

    And, all immigrants want to come to USA, Europe (particularly, high-functioning north), Australia...Canada ( cold weather makes it less appealing - plus, their benefits are not nearly as good as Sweden's). It's silly to suggest that people do not come for the freebies in wealthier, organized, relatively safe countries. USA needs to be "extremely selective" like Stanford, as you say.

    OT: Another idea that should scare not quite millionaire, so-called Progressives: I predict that at some point, all private schools will be forced to close, and that all public schools within a county, will be lottery based. Private schools will be declared "inequitable towards the common good of integrating immigrants."

    There is such a push for regionalization in New England, right now. Not only does the mostly, Democrat legislature want to get their hands on our property taxes, they are actively pushing for low-income housing in all perceived, wealthy towns. The cat is out of the bag, ergo, baby boomers are moving out of state in droves. Metoo, indeed.

    Massachusetts and CT will turn into Jersey very soon, as land is being developed for apartment complexes. Bears, deer, coyotes, (now Moose) are gonna revolt! Most real estate owners (land and existing apartments in my area) are NYC bankers. Very scary: "slum lord" is gonna come back; I already see it in my friends' lives - widows, widowers, and divorced men & women forced to live in sub-par housing with crap like leaky ceilings in new buildings, while their kids finish public HS. The idea is: no more town control over their property taxes and excellent schools...everything is about creating a perpetual underclass for Democrats to always be voted in! I wish I could get New Zealand citizenship, sigh.

    “I wish I could get New Zealand citizenship, sigh.”

    Sorry man, but your country is a shithole and it needs you to stay home and work on it.

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    well, lucky for me, I have land. Land, like Scarlett learned, is the only thing worth living for.
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  46. What I don’t understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.

    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

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    latrine like Washington

    Sadly, I have seen too many places in U.S. that can be described as latrines.

    In my dear Portland, OR, one can see tons of white people living in their own waste right in center city.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/27/columbia-sportswear-may-close-downtown-portland-office-over-threats-public-defecation-by-homeless-people.html

    Seattle: https://www.seattletimes.com/category/seattles-homeless-crisis/
    , @Thomas
    Trying to attract Norwegians (or really any other Scandinavians) to immigrate to the U.S. is like pushing water up a hill. The only ones you're going to get are probably here for a job or very rich people who find Norway insufficiently oligarchic. I wouldn't say that would be Norway sending their best either.
    , @The Alarmist

    "What I don’t understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine."
     
    Easy Peasy: Trump is going to start drone-bombing all parts of Africa, driving masses of sub-Saharans who no longer see South Africa as a viable new homeland to instead overrun Europe. The Norwegians will be driven out. Unfortunately for them, when they join their distant cousins in Minnesota, they won't be counting on all the Sammies already there.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US"

    The language is not a terribly easy one, it's only spoken by 5 million people, and Norwegians, while polite and sociable, will take a long time to accept you as "one of them".

    Plus, most people love the country they were born and raised in, although the younger generation are more rootless and cosmopolitan.

    I'm always surprised more young Brits don't head to Norway, learn the language and look for work - but it's a very expensive place to live while you're studying - prices are Icelandic-level.
    , @TWS
    I can't carry a gun to prevent some vibrant from raping me, I'm too stubborn to blow a whistle for an hour or two to get the police to come and lecture me about how getting raped by a vibrant is my fault, I don't want to share my home at knife point with a, 'thirteen' year old vibrant who has a beard, gray hair, and a twelve year old son back home in bumfuckistan, and I'm too old to wear the anti-rape belt Oslo girls have to wear to walk to school. Other than that I'd emigrate to Norway in a heartbeat.
    , @Marty T
    Language barrier but it's on my bucket list to visit.
    , @Lagertha
    Jesus, you idiot! God, I hate dumb white men (conformists) because they are soooooooo responsible for all of the bad shit right now, because they are not fighters. Dumb (conformist) women were complicit - and I hate them just as much. Dumb white liberal men & women are responsible for the downfall of Western Civilization.

    Scandinavians don't emigrate anywhere (duh, for eff's sake) , anymore these years - Norway is 100% better than the USA last 20 years, you totally dumbass, Jonathan Mason. Of course, the millionaires leave all of Scandinavia as soon as they retire - will give you that - maybe you are one of them and feel guilty?

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  47. bomag says:
    @eD
    There is kind of a case for the globalist argument here, if you look for it.

    In all four of the Central American and Caribbean countries Steve cited in his post, the United States repeatedly interfered in their internal politics, almost always to prop up corrupt oligarchies. This goes back to before the Civil War in one case and involved occupation by American troops in another case. For most of their histories as "independent" countries, all four have been U.S. protectorates.

    And it is common for people from current and former colonials to migrate to the home territories of the colonial powers.

    The U.S. government didn't cause the earthquakes and hurricanes, of course, but it played a pretty big role in ensuring these countries couldn't deal with earthquakes and hurricanes (of course it appears the U.S. government itself doesn't handle hurricanes very well either).

    However, this is more of an argument against the imperialistic policies that produced this situation than an argument for immigration to the US from these countries. I find that globalists tend to be very thinly disguised 19th century imperialists. And the American people were not consulted and were often kept in the dark of what U.S. diplomats, marines, and businessmen were up to in these places and would bear the brunt of any problems caused by immigration from these places.

    United States repeatedly interfered in their internal politics

    Yes, immigration is the punishment we bear for past sins. Our dear leaders should let us know when we’ve suffered enough so the punishment can end and we can have our country back. In the meantime we can quit being told that diversity is our strength and that immigration makes us stronger.

    Let’s note here that countries such as Sweden and Canada get plenty of punishment from places where they did scant interference, but I suppose this falls under collateral damage.

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  48. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    The long occupation point assumes that the length of the occupation was punitive or that its effect was destructive. Free slave experiment Liberia had white administrators because it had to, and when they left early in the Twentieth century Liberia predictably fell apart.

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  49. which in some cases could mean breaking up families.

    Why is this regarded as the el supremo kill shot against deportation?

    First of all, the whole family, grandparents, uncles, and second cousins twice removed, could all go back home together if staying together is so important to them.

    Second of all, when people immigrate here, they’re breaking up their family back where they came from. Often a man from south of the border will sneak in here and leave his wife and children behind. Why is “breaking up families” so tragic in one direction but not the other?

    Thirdly, when people are found to have broken the law, we have no problem with ” “breaking up families” by putting the lawbreaker in prison. It’s only a problem when we deport them.

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    Because they got caught lying about "refugees."
    , @unpc downunder
    Yes, in most instances mainstream liberals couldn't care less about traditional families. The far left goes even further and wants traditional families dismantled. However, when it comes to immigration they all suddenly rush to its defence.
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  50. bomag says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    Kind of difficult in light of the past…

    Do you really think that if history was re-wound and run according to your policies, Haiti would end up any different?

    Haitian accomplishment is an emergent characteristic of countries with the human capital of Haiti.

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  51. @22pp22
    I have had a very pleasant afternoon snooze and I woke up with the word shithole on my mind.

    When I was an academic, I interacted with American academics a lot. They were SJW's to a manfemthingbot, and they used to delight in telling me that Britain was a shithole. My feelings did not matter.

    Last June, I went back to Britain for the first time in 12 years, and where Britain is still British, it is very very far from being a shithole. That includes quite poor places like Pwllheli in North Wales.

    The only reason Anderson Cooper blubbed on TV when Haiti was described as a shithole is because it is a shithole and he knows it.

    I pity these people. Being one of the cool kids is an exercise in emoting on cue and publicly telling lies that everyone knows are lies.

    Haiti is not a shithole; Haiti is a hellhole.

    A shithole country is merely crappy; A hellhole is evil.

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    Shitty hellhole ?
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  52. Berty says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks
    Trump would have more leverage if were actively deporting people, rather than endlessly negotiating who to deport and when to deport them.

    This "shithole"uproar is really just a by product of his unwillingness to keep his campaign promise to kill DACA on his first day in office.

    He doesn't have a much time as he thinks to fix this mess.

    Aim high, shoot low.

    As I’ve said before, the main issue plaguing the Trump administration is that it lacks any sort of consistent message or tone. It’s constantly at war with itself and as a result can’t satisfy anyone. And Trump deserves some measure of the blame for that because of his negligence and unwillingness to insert himself more deeply into policy matters.

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  53. Hunsdon says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    How many Haitians are you supporting?

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    Go to church and find out.
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  54. @Seamus Padraig
    My sentiments exactly. Importing educated elites is ultimately just as bad as importing a new underclass, albeit in a different way. Just witness all the dislocation caused by the H1B visa program in fields like IT. No, whether they're underclass or upperclass, the sole criterion in determining whether immigrants should be let in is whether the country as a whole actually needs them--not whether the Chamber of Commerce merely wants them.

    Exhibit A for your point is the influx of Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe in the late 1800′s and early 1900′s. Yes, most have been good citizens and have contributed to society as a whole.

    But the damage done to traditional America by a small percentage of them is irreparable. They and their progeny have worked tirelessly to undermine traditional American values and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The progressive movement in this once great nation could not have succeeded as it has without them.

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  55. George says:

    Immigrant restaurant owner gets 9 months in jail when 5 immigrant slaves die traped in basement

    Civil rights groups slam light sentence in deaths of 5 Mexican immigrant workers

    Prosecutors had asked for a seven-year sentence for each in the January 2016 fire that killed five immigrants stuck in the basement of a home owned by Tam. The victims, who included three teenagers, worked in a Chinese restaurant in Novi that Tam owned.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/01/12/latino-black-immigrant-groups-protest-light-sentence-restaurant-owner-deaths-5-mexican-immigrant-wor/1029222001/

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  56. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "But the thing everyone should be able to agree on, is that if the government does allow in any immigrants, the government should be very picky about the particular characteristics of who they do and don’t let in."

    Exactly! Model it after the 1924 Immigration Act, which significantly curtailed those dirty, swarthy, Catholic hordes from Eastern and Southern Europe. And in essence banned Japanese, too.

    They all have to go back.

    Wow, Corvinus. Never heard that before. Not even once, much less a thousand or so times.

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    Indeed, the irritating thing about broken records is that they tend to repeat.
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  57. 2. That does not mean the people seeking to immigrate from those countries do. Often, it’s precisely the opposite.

    That’s just crap. Countries suck because the people in them suck.

    3. We shouldn’t use country of origin as central rationale for immigration or against it, which is why visa diversity lottery is bad.

    It’s a damn fine thing to consider, because the character of a country says a lot about the people who make up the country.

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  58. Whiskky says:

    DRUMPH is a liar and fiend! He’s doomed us alL!!

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  59. @Dave Pinsen

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer.
     
    Or Mehmet Oz, the friend of Oprah/ heart surgeon/talk show host.

    Really, the visa lottery and chain migration make much more sense when you're dealing with higher quality countries, because the odds are higher that the nth Norwegian lottery winner or relative of a current resident will be a high potential immigrant than the nth Haitian will be. And Norway has more high potential people to spare than Haiti does.

    So, if someone tells Trump about the Human Development Index, he can offer to keep the visa lottery and chain migration, but only for countries ranked higher than the U.S., since immigrants from those countries will be more likely to improve our ranking.

    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.
     
    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    The most important thing to Black leadership isn’t the welfare of blacks whom they are meant to represent, but rather contributing to the brown wave to displace whites as the majority population, which point they will be in a position to exact revenge.

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  60. I disagree with a “merit-based” immigration system. In addition to supporting the implicit notion that “merit” is entitled to something from society, this strategy can only result in displacing the native (not necessarily white, but native) population from university spots, corporate leadership, etc, and creating a class of elites with no connection to the nation’s history.

    Immigration should be limited to:
    (1) individual activists suffering persecution from their governments for religious or political reasons, but not refugees from conflicts
    (2) people actively engaged in research/work that it would benefit the US to move in-country
    (3) a handful of other people like the spouses of current citizens (and, in fact, I think it would be reasonable to give the spouses of citizens permanent residency status without citizenship)

    #1 is because we are actually Shining City on a Hill, #2 is our self-interest, #3 is what society owes its members. There’s no reason for immigration of any other kind. The US does not need to be the largest, richest, most powerful, etc. We just need to mind our traditional freedoms and way of life and the country will remain a great place to live.

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  61. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    latrine like Washington

    Sadly, I have seen too many places in U.S. that can be described as latrines.

    In my dear Portland, OR, one can see tons of white people living in their own waste right in center city.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/27/columbia-sportswear-may-close-downtown-portland-office-over-threats-public-defecation-by-homeless-people.html

    Seattle: https://www.seattletimes.com/category/seattles-homeless-crisis/

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    Portland, OR, one can see tons of white people living in their own waste right in center city.

     

    1. Provided links do not show any waste.
    2. Portland has a 1st world water and sewage system.
    3. In America, even the homeless and destitute have access to flush toilets and sinks.

    Meanwhile, in India...
    Indian city sends costumed MASCOTS on patrol to fine people they catch defacating in the street
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  62. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions?

    Yep. Fascinating how black people always have some kind of excuse for why they can’t do anything right, isn’t it?

    Can I ask you a serious question? Would there ever be an excuse black people came up with that you wouldn’t automatically believe? What would it look like? Can you give me an example of an excuse for black failure that you wouldn’t believe?

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    South Korea was also ruled by kleptocratic dictators during this time period. They had no access to the mineral resources in the Communist North. Tens of thousands of American soldiers were posted there, using many of the women as prostitutes. And that was after the exploitation that Japan imposed on them.

    https://citynetmembers.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/seoul_skyline.jpg

    White Supremists, yup
    , @Corvinus
    "Yep. Fascinating how black people always have some kind of excuse for why they can’t do anything right, isn’t it?"

    It is amazing your ignorance of world history.

    It is [the Africans] who carry the ‘Black man’s burden’. They have not withered away before the white man’s occupation. Indeed...Africa has ultimately absorbed within itself every Caucasian. In hewing out for himself a fixed abode [home] in Africa, the white man has massacred the African. The African has survived, and it is well for the white settlers that he has...

    What the partial occupation of his soil by the white man has failed to do; what the mapping out of European political ‘spheres of influence’ has failed to do; what the Maxim [submachine gun] and the rifle, the slave gang, labour in the bowels of the earth and the lash, have failed to do; what imported measles, smallpox and syphilis have failed to do; whatever the overseas slave trade failed to do, the power of modern capitalistic exploitation, assisted by modern engines of destruction, may yet succeed in accomplishing.

    For from the evils of the latter, scientifically applied and enforced, there is no escape for the African. Its destructive effects are not spasmodic; they are permanent. In its permanence resides its fatal consequences. It kills not the body merely, but the soul. It breaks the spirit. It attacks the African at every turn, from every vantage point, uproots him from the land, invades his family life, destroys his natural pursuits and occupations, claims his whole time, enslaves him in his own home...[W]hen the system [capitalistic imperialism] is forced upon him, the African droops and dies...[T]o kill the soul in a people--this is a crime which transcends physical murder.

    Nor is violent opposition to abuse and injustice henceforth possible for the African in any part of Africa. His chances of effective resistance have been steadily dwindling with the increasing perfectibility in the killing power of modern armanent...Thus the African is really helpless against the material gods of the white man...

    Edward Morel, British journalist in the Belgian Congo, 1903
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  63. Barnard says:
    @HBD Guy
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump's promise to "build the wall" has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A "benefactor" might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a "patron" $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the "President's Circle" – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson's Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so "Fund the Wall" open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be "collectible," and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.


    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These "build the wall" camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early '60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America's traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made "the Wall" a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump's many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump's exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

    CDs? Billy Ray Cyrus? I have a dream that one day I will be as completely divorced from our popular culture as Weissberg must be today. It has to be a wonderful life.

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  64. @eD
    There is kind of a case for the globalist argument here, if you look for it.

    In all four of the Central American and Caribbean countries Steve cited in his post, the United States repeatedly interfered in their internal politics, almost always to prop up corrupt oligarchies. This goes back to before the Civil War in one case and involved occupation by American troops in another case. For most of their histories as "independent" countries, all four have been U.S. protectorates.

    And it is common for people from current and former colonials to migrate to the home territories of the colonial powers.

    The U.S. government didn't cause the earthquakes and hurricanes, of course, but it played a pretty big role in ensuring these countries couldn't deal with earthquakes and hurricanes (of course it appears the U.S. government itself doesn't handle hurricanes very well either).

    However, this is more of an argument against the imperialistic policies that produced this situation than an argument for immigration to the US from these countries. I find that globalists tend to be very thinly disguised 19th century imperialists. And the American people were not consulted and were often kept in the dark of what U.S. diplomats, marines, and businessmen were up to in these places and would bear the brunt of any problems caused by immigration from these places.

    it played a pretty big role in ensuring these countries couldn’t deal with earthquakes and hurricanes

    LOL. Haitians would have reacted to their hurricane like the Japanese to their tsunami if not for the US? How would that work?

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  65. gp says:

    If there was a county in West Virginia that had <60% literacy (like Haiti) you can be sure that Seth Meyers, Don Lemon, A Cooper, and all the other pearl-clutchers would not hesitate to call it a sh!thole. Because it’s always OK to say stupid white Americans live in backward conditions, and never OK to negatively characterize anybody else.

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    Seth Meyers ... would not hesitate to call it a sh!thole

     

    LOL. Like they don't already.

    SNL: Appalachian Emergency Room: Christmastime
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  66. Glaivester says: • Website

    That’s where the compromise came in. The bipartisan group recommended taking some of the diversity visa lottery slots for immigrants and instead giving them to people who had been covered under temporary protected status.

    Ever notice that the compromise is between different groups arguing which third worlders get let in rather than between those who want fewer and those who want more?

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  67. J.Ross says: • Website
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    which in some cases could mean breaking up families.

    Why is this regarded as the el supremo kill shot against deportation?

    First of all, the whole family, grandparents, uncles, and second cousins twice removed, could all go back home together if staying together is so important to them.

    Second of all, when people immigrate here, they're breaking up their family back where they came from. Often a man from south of the border will sneak in here and leave his wife and children behind. Why is "breaking up families" so tragic in one direction but not the other?

    Thirdly, when people are found to have broken the law, we have no problem with " "breaking up families" by putting the lawbreaker in prison. It's only a problem when we deport them.

    Because they got caught lying about “refugees.”

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  68. @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt.

    Yeah, it is so weird that after giving an order to murder every white person on the island, countries full of white people might have misgivings about dealing with Haiti.

    More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti’s own institutions had atrophied.

    Oddly this dynamic does not seem to have impacted Germany or Japan which were also occupied by the United States.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/what-really-ruined-haiti-black-power/

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  69. songbird says:

    Someone should blindfold Vincente Fox. Plop him down in the middle of Port-au-Prince, spin him around a few times and see how long it takes him to find a working toilet without a guide.

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    Or Mexico City where he'd be beaten and dismembered faster than a piñata if he is not completely surrounded his heavily armed security team.
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  70. Why are they always claiming that following the law is “breaking up families?” Isn’t the plan to send the entire families back? If some members of the family (who have legal right to stay in the US) don’t want to leave that is their decision. Neither I nor any of my siblings live with our parents, and three of the five live hundreds of miles from them, but we don’t “blame” that on the government.

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  71. Yan Shen says:

    The fact of the matter is, it doesn’t really matter what Trump was talking about. Supposedly the context for his comment about immigrants from Haiti and other shithole countries in Africa was an argument for immigration reform, but since he managed to piss everyone off, much of that is moot at this point. People don’t like assholes and when you manage to get people angry and riled up, you shouldn’t expect them to listen to anything else you might have to say regardless of how valid your points might be.

    The problem with Trump isn’t that his policies are bad. It’s that he’s oftentimes an asshole who says whatever he’s thinking without any regard for diplomacy or tact. To me this kind of personality or temperament isn’t that of an effective leader. As I said earlier, an effective leader is someone who can inspire and convince the masses that his policy positions are what’s best for the country and for all of us as Americans. In order to make real progress you have to unite, not divide. Alas, many commenters here will no doubt applaud and support Trump’s no holds barred, shoot from the mouth brand of politics without realizing that his hurts them in the long run. It might feel good to stick it to the PC left by calling a spade a spade, but I suspect it’s not the most productive course of action to take.

    There’s a time and place to stand up against political correctness, but there’s also a time and place for diplomacy and tact and basic decency. A cunning politician should be able to play the game well and manipulate others towards his own ends. Sadly it’s hard to describe Trump as anything more than bumbling oftentimes.

    Instead of the uninspiring politicians this country forces us to choose among, America would benefit tremendously from a consummate Confucian statesman like Lee Kuan Yew, someone who dispensed true wisdom and common sense. It’s hard to imagine someone like Lee Kuan Yew feuding with the likes of Rosie O’Donnell or Megyn Kelly over Twitter. But alas this is uh what you get when you elect former TV stars…

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    Who is this great “uniter” out there you imagine? Or for that matter in history do you have an example? Because my view is that the concept of the great uniting leader is a false platitude thrown around a lot. Another view is that a great leader is one who makes his enemy eat shit but not want to assasinate him at a later date. By this standard, Lincoln succeeded only on the first part.
    , @Romanian
    But that is the point! You do not get the kind of politician you want, you get the kind that the system molds unintentionally through simple selection. Trump, aside from his luck, had the appropriate qualities that made him resistant to the usual tactics used against challengers - the issue with donors and money, the issue with media coverage, the issue with personal attacks and attacks on his social status, livelihood and business interests. People like Pat Buchanan and others I do not know of inevitably folded at one point or another of their drive to influence the agenda and policies of their nation... Trump is the one who made it. The system created the politician Trump. You could no more have a Lee Kuan Yew in the US today than you could a Trump in China.
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  72. Like Steve, I found my way onto Ben Shapiro’s twitter account this evening (12th January 2018). Ben had retweeted this series of comments, from CNN’s Jake Tapper, clarifying President Trump’s controversial alleged “shithole” remarks :

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper 9h
    So how and why is President Trump denying the remarks that he reportedly said? I have some clarifying reporting from a source familiar [with] the meeting. I want to start by saying that this does not make what he said any more acceptable, but it might shed some light on it all. 1/

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper 9h
    The president did not refer to Haiti as a “shithole” country according to the source familiar with the meeting… though he DID say it about countries in Africa… What happened, the source says, is there was a conflation of two different remarks by the president. 2/

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper 9h
    First, when talking about “temporary protected status” countries as part of the immigration deal it was mentioned that Salvadorans, Hondurans and Haitians have that status. 3/

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper 9h
    “Haitians?” the president said. “Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out” —- meaning take them out of the deal. 4/

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper 9h
    Then in a separate part of the conversation when they were referencing the diversity visa lottery, President Trump referred to people coming from Africa as coming from “shithole countries.” Again, I’m not saying this is better. Just that this is what happened, per my source. 5/

    Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper 9h
    So that might explain the kinda-pushback from POTUS today. -fin-

    As an example of that “pushback” here is a Presidential tweet which I guess will soon be in the news.

    Ben Shapiro Retweeted
    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings – unfortunately, no trust!

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  73. • 200,000 people who fled El Salvador during a deadly civil war in 1990 and after a catastrophic earthquake in 2001,

    • 58,000 people who fled Haiti after a deadly 2010 earthquake,

    • 57,000 people who fled Honduras after a devastating hurricane in 1999, and

    • 2,500 people who fled Nicaragua after the same hurricane

    The Time article is misleading in a very important respect:

    Many if not most of these people were ALREADY HERE when granted TPS. This is why the reporters say, ‘fled the civil war’ ( possibly, but certainly when most came) and ‘after a catastrophic earthquake’ ( years later, when they were offered and applied for TPS, so they did not have to return to their country.)

    Same for the Haitians. Even the sob stories meant to push this issue admit as much.

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  74. @syonredux

    We shouldn’t use country of origin as central rationale for immigration or against it, which is why visa diversity lottery is bad.
     
    Ah, yes, the old meritocracy argument. Just let in high-quality people while excluding the riff-raff. Well, it's certainly better than our current system, which is rigged in favor of admitting the incompetent. But it elides an important issue: nations are defined by things like race and ethnicity. Let's say that the USA admitted only high-performing Muslims , Mestizos, and Blacks (elementary statistics: they exist). Would that be beneficial to White Anglo-Americans, the historic core of the American nation? Clearly not.

    From the standpoint of White Anglo-Americans, mediocre European immigrants are better than high-performing Muslims, Mestizos, and Blacks.

    “From the standpoint of White Anglo-Americans, mediocre European immigrants are better than high-performing Muslims, Mestizos, and Blacks.” Are you going to guarantee that after a generation these mediocres aren’t like the majority of Walmart shoppers?

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  75. Thomas says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks
    Trump would have more leverage if were actively deporting people, rather than endlessly negotiating who to deport and when to deport them.

    This "shithole"uproar is really just a by product of his unwillingness to keep his campaign promise to kill DACA on his first day in office.

    He doesn't have a much time as he thinks to fix this mess.

    Aim high, shoot low.

    Amen. If he spent half as much effort exercising his Constitutional powers and duties (assuming he even knows what they are) as trying to strike “deals” or making himself the center of the news, we’d be in a better place. Would that he would’ve just gone for the easy flat immigration moratorium than trying to pick and choose.

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    I too am concerned.
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  76. Daniel H says:
    @TWS
    The littlest chicken hawk trying to tell me because my dysfunctional neighbors have a shitty house they'll probably produce better citizens than my children with a clean well maintained house.

    Interesting, I guess white south Africans are better fit for America than Israelis.

    >>Interesting, I guess white south Africans are better fit for America than Israelis.

    Of course they are, and you know it. White South Africans would arrive here with a sense of relief and gratitude, Israelis will arrive here with a sense of entitlement, grudge and resentment. Have you met many Israelis? Do you know many?

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    One. I met her fifty years ago. My mom's roommate in college a very pretty lady. Sadly I can't remember her name. I don't think one is a very representative sample. On the other hand I'm certain Shapiro has met many Israelis and regards them as the ne plus ultra of possible hyphenated Americans.
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  77. @Harry Baldwin
    which in some cases could mean breaking up families.

    Why is this regarded as the el supremo kill shot against deportation?

    First of all, the whole family, grandparents, uncles, and second cousins twice removed, could all go back home together if staying together is so important to them.

    Second of all, when people immigrate here, they're breaking up their family back where they came from. Often a man from south of the border will sneak in here and leave his wife and children behind. Why is "breaking up families" so tragic in one direction but not the other?

    Thirdly, when people are found to have broken the law, we have no problem with " "breaking up families" by putting the lawbreaker in prison. It's only a problem when we deport them.

    Yes, in most instances mainstream liberals couldn’t care less about traditional families. The far left goes even further and wants traditional families dismantled. However, when it comes to immigration they all suddenly rush to its defence.

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  78. Thomas says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    Trying to attract Norwegians (or really any other Scandinavians) to immigrate to the U.S. is like pushing water up a hill. The only ones you’re going to get are probably here for a job or very rich people who find Norway insufficiently oligarchic. I wouldn’t say that would be Norway sending their best either.

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    Trying to attract Norwegians (or really any other Scandinavians) to immigrate to the U.S. is like pushing water up a hill. The only ones you’re going to get are probably here for a job or very rich people who find Norway insufficiently oligarchic. I wouldn’t say that would be Norway sending their best either.
     
    Nevertheless, I’ll take the shitty Norwegian immigrants to block, Peter.
    , @S. Anonyia
    I don't think the U.S could attract Norwegians but they could probably get more Brits and Central/Southern Europeans if immigration policies were changed somewhat. Youth unemployment is really high in Spain, Greece, Portugal. And Britain seems overcrowded and expensive. I know a suspicious number of high school classmates (7) married to Slovakians/Serbians who arrived here as temporary summer workers, so it seems they are probably desperate for green cards.
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  79. @HBD Guy
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump's promise to "build the wall" has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A "benefactor" might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a "patron" $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the "President's Circle" – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson's Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so "Fund the Wall" open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be "collectible," and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.


    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These "build the wall" camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early '60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America's traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made "the Wall" a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump's many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump's exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

    “Since 1998, Chicago Public Schools has required students to complete 40 service-learning hours in order to graduate.” Border states to Mexico could implement a similar requirement and incorporate wall constructing as a fulfilling such a requirement. I’d say that is a win-win; the US get part of a border wall, the student gets construction credits on their resume.

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  80. @Dmitry

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer. The fewer huddled masses, the better.
     
    Larger numbers would generally result in lower quality - if you were only trying to select for quality. But the first stage, which is missing, is to have such a policy where the government is specifically selecting immigrants only for their quality. Most countries seem to be missing this first stage (your Turkish example was not an issue of an admissions policy lowering its academic standards, but of an admissions policy with no academic standards to begin with).

    Then the question of how effectively the government is able to select for only the best immigrants, with the desirable individual qualities - should be able to bypass this issue you write about.

    That's not to say that it would desirable to have any immigrants, from any countries - and if so, what quantity should be taken each year. Those are all separate. But the thing everyone should be able to agree on, is that if the government does allow in any immigrants, the government should be very picky about the particular characteristics of who they do and don't let in.

    There is a dynamic where immigrants from countries which suck, can be on average better than immigrants from countries which don't suck. People in countries which suck are far more likely emigrate - and that means there is a much larger pool of candidates to select from.

    While emigrants from countries which don't suck, can perhaps more often be oddballs and failures in their country of origin, which is why they are motivated to leave their paradises (e.g. the strange American expats living in Russia).

    “While emigrants from countries which don’t suck, can perhaps more often be oddballs and failures in their country of origin, which is why they are motivated to leave their paradises (e.g. the strange American expats living in Russia).”

    Aside from the occasional Yank teaching English or retired military folks, I don’t see many “oddball” Americans living abroad. The few American professionals I see living abroad tend to live better abroad than they would on a comparable package in the US, even with the higher tax rates in some countries.

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    The executives who are being sent abroad with their multi-national companies, sure. I mean those who voluntarily prefer to live with a lower quality of life, in countries with a lower quality of life - usually taking a local wife. Maybe the most famous American example is Lee Harvey Oswald.
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  81. @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    “What I don’t understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.”

    Easy Peasy: Trump is going to start drone-bombing all parts of Africa, driving masses of sub-Saharans who no longer see South Africa as a viable new homeland to instead overrun Europe. The Norwegians will be driven out. Unfortunately for them, when they join their distant cousins in Minnesota, they won’t be counting on all the Sammies already there.

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  82. @Thomas
    Amen. If he spent half as much effort exercising his Constitutional powers and duties (assuming he even knows what they are) as trying to strike "deals" or making himself the center of the news, we'd be in a better place. Would that he would've just gone for the easy flat immigration moratorium than trying to pick and choose.

    I too am concerned.

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    Thomas is no concern troll. He has a good point.
    , @Thomas
    Ann Coulter, bless her, tracks the number of miles of wall built daily on Twitter (zero so far). The number of illegals deported last year under Trump is, at best, a push with Obama. The illegal administrative amnesty Trump said he’d rescind “on day one” he’s effectively communicated he doesn’t have the stomach to actually kill, is the subject of legislative negotiations in which he doesn’t seem to be taking the initiative (as he hasn’t on any other legislative work), has provided yet another opportunity to derail momentum by putting his foot in his mouth and acting as if his political enemies are best buds he can josh around with using salty talk they won’t leak. So yeah, I’m concerned. I want to see progress on the issues he campaigned on, that no President might ever get another chance after this to act on, rather than him acting like some senile boob with the attention span, discipline and discretion of a toddler.
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  83. @gunner29

    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?
     
    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it’s just modern day colonialism.

    Very good. Especially the part about resource extraction being a form of colonialism. The best we can do is keep everybody in their personal shithole country and have the elites make the shithole less brown? Deep? Wide? Help me out here. LOL

    It is painful to watch Ben Shapiro try to massage the narrative to keep anti-Neocon world views from becoming mainstream. Egalitarianism is still sacrosanct to him & only certain countries are allowed to use ethnocentric bias in their immigration criteria. He is on ever thinner ice as the anti-European population replacement agenda of the post 1960 Elite becomes impossible to ignore.
    Whatever lil Ben, just keep peddling your bland bargain Neoconnery & double standards…..

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    Egalitarianism is still sacrosanct to him & only certain countries are allowed to use ethnocentric bias in their immigration criteria.
     
    Probably just one country.
    , @J.Ross
    It is great but nothing will beat the evil Nazis of the alt-right internet hate machine falling in love with Ben's sister and him yelling at us to knock it off or he'll find us and beat us up.
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  84. @gunner29

    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?
     
    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it’s just modern day colonialism.

    Very good. Especially the part about resource extraction being a form of colonialism. The best we can do is keep everybody in their personal shithole country and have the elites make the shithole less brown? Deep? Wide? Help me out here. LOL

    I have never seen a rationale as to why the US needs any immigration at all.
    The case for forcible emigration of some is undeniable.

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    Finally someone who gets it. Zero immigration and every damn illegal has to go back.
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  85. Gunner says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer.
     
    Or Mehmet Oz, the friend of Oprah/ heart surgeon/talk show host.

    Really, the visa lottery and chain migration make much more sense when you're dealing with higher quality countries, because the odds are higher that the nth Norwegian lottery winner or relative of a current resident will be a high potential immigrant than the nth Haitian will be. And Norway has more high potential people to spare than Haiti does.

    So, if someone tells Trump about the Human Development Index, he can offer to keep the visa lottery and chain migration, but only for countries ranked higher than the U.S., since immigrants from those countries will be more likely to improve our ranking.

    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.
     
    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    The Black Caucus is betting that the Africans and their children will continue to vote for them and their brain dead family politicos.

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  86. I don’t think we’re ever going to make much headway on the immigration issue until people stop feeling the need to nuance their position with statements like, “We know some countries are shit but that doesn’t mean that all individuals from those countries are shit, etc.”

    What, really, is the use of such casuistry? It’s only purpose is to display how broadminded the speaker is, and therefore it is just another, subtler form of virtue signalling. We perceive that the speaker is generally opposed to immigration, but also that he takes his position to be powerless. Thus he feels the need to soften the blow, to engage in “agonistic buffering” so as to preemptively defuse any decisive confrontation over the matter. The net effect is simply to imply that he lacks the courage of his convictions.

    Philosophically, the nuances always presume or entail some sort of deracinated ideology, whether it be the propositional citizenism of establishment conservatives or the vague social behaviorism of limousine liberals. Here we meet again with Emma Lazarus in her distilled form. She is no longer the schmaltzy, torrid, sentimental Lazarus of youth, but the residuum of the same spirit in the coolness of wizened age. There is something irreducibly Whiggish, Protestant, and Kantian in this appeal to the individual as a center of rational force, a nexus of abstract value as over against race, blood, soil, and history.

    Such notions, being the production of the intellect, naturally lend themselves to those who conceive of the nation as some sort of social compact, and who are therefore compelled to provide it with an unassailable rationalistic underpinning. But this already is to misconceive the entire problem. The nation is about me and mine; it is the institutional expression of my phenomenal reality in the field of time and space. It is therefore a very grubby thing; grubby as the functions of digestion and elimination which keep my body and soul together, and which like them requires no justification. Nationhood belongs essentially to that which is existential and historical. To theorize over it is to dissolve it.

    And that is why all these nuanced immigration manifestos are a slippery slope. No matter how innocuous they appear in their beginnings, they necessarily introduce the very element that must issue ultimately in the ironical disavowal of any fact-based claims to national identity. The outward manifestations of this morbid inner state are those nonsensical combinations and juxtapositions of concepts traditionally subsumed under the national identity with facts known to lie outside of it. That is why Bret Stephens can define America as “a country that belongs first to its newcomers,” why Erick Erickson can write panegyric tweets about the great free market Ghanan, and why David French can feel tingles of ecstatic self-satisfaction when he looks at his adopted African boy.

    What are these oddities but the punchlines of un-vocalized jokes? And do they not work upon their human subjects in the same manner as jokes do, viz. by causing them to revel in the frisson of a recognized absurdity? What, otherwise, would be their appeal, for they evince neither prudence nor logic. They are but the swollen tides of irony rising up to overwhelm the dykes and levies of a hard-won national creation.

    And they are hubris followed by nemesis when the revelers realize, too late, that the joke is really on them.

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  87. Who does everyone think the Norwegians will vote for? The Scandinavians aspire to be shitholes.

    Don’t import anyone who thinks importing hordes of military-age men who then carry out 1,000s of sexual attacks on your sisters and daughters is just fine. This goes for most of Western Europe.

    Take the dissidents, whose views are already illegal in their home countries. Free Speech Refugees.

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    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level. And in the countries that are close to TFR replacement rate, the native ethnic groups are frequently much less fertile than the invaders.

    We could admit many Russians, Belarusians and Ukranians (would they bring the conflict here, probably) but they also have the highest rates of drug abuse and HIV infections, not to mention organized crime and corruption.

    Western Europe has much stricter censorship laws, in addition to the absence of the right to keep and bear arms outside of CZ and CH. Their culture is also less indidivualistic than America, where dissidents against mass immigration get no sympathy when the state sics the antifa rent-a-mob on your protest.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/10/blackhoods-of-antifa.html
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  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    • 57,000 people who fled Honduras after a devastating hurricane in 1999, and

    One of whom arrived here illegally, took a construction job, and later punched out, sexually molested, then hung on from a shower rod alive, facilitating an early dangling death to actress and new mother, Adrienne Shelly.

    Thanks Obama, you piece of shit.

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  89. TWS says:
    @syonredux

    We shouldn’t use country of origin as central rationale for immigration or against it, which is why visa diversity lottery is bad.
     
    Ah, yes, the old meritocracy argument. Just let in high-quality people while excluding the riff-raff. Well, it's certainly better than our current system, which is rigged in favor of admitting the incompetent. But it elides an important issue: nations are defined by things like race and ethnicity. Let's say that the USA admitted only high-performing Muslims , Mestizos, and Blacks (elementary statistics: they exist). Would that be beneficial to White Anglo-Americans, the historic core of the American nation? Clearly not.

    From the standpoint of White Anglo-Americans, mediocre European immigrants are better than high-performing Muslims, Mestizos, and Blacks.

    So if we took them all we’d get what a few thousand? What would we do year two?

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    So if we took them all we’d get what a few thousand? What would we do year two?
     
    Stop taking in immigrants. A 50 year moratorium sounds great.
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  90. Klo says:
    @Thomas
    Trying to attract Norwegians (or really any other Scandinavians) to immigrate to the U.S. is like pushing water up a hill. The only ones you're going to get are probably here for a job or very rich people who find Norway insufficiently oligarchic. I wouldn't say that would be Norway sending their best either.

    Trying to attract Norwegians (or really any other Scandinavians) to immigrate to the U.S. is like pushing water up a hill. The only ones you’re going to get are probably here for a job or very rich people who find Norway insufficiently oligarchic. I wouldn’t say that would be Norway sending their best either.

    Nevertheless, I’ll take the shitty Norwegian immigrants to block, Peter.

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  91. Sven says:

    “The first point of order in the new government declaration: Norway will still not be a shithole country,” tweeted Kjetil Alstadheim, the political editor of financial daily Dagens Naeringsliv.

    That’s Sweden’s job!

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  93. @HBD Guy
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/01/privatizing_the_wall.html

    January 12, 2018
    Privatizing the wall
    By Robert Weissberg
    President Trump's promise to "build the wall" has been much delayed. Its funding seems mired in multiple other immigration-related problems, and given the contentious history of such legislation, construction may wait years.

    For those who want faster action, there is an option: partially privatize it. To be sure, private citizens can do only so much, but one must start somewhere, and to wait until Congress acts is unnecessary.

    With that in mind, let me suggest several private fundraising options.

    Plaques. Visitors to any New York City hospital, museum, or concert hall will see countless brass plaques honoring donors, ranging from naming entire buildings to more modest ones at the entrances of waiting rooms. With a border wall stretching for miles, hundreds of sponsorship opportunities exist. A "benefactor" might donate $1,000 for a one-foot section, a "patron" $10,000 for a ten-foot section, and so on. Mega-donors – members of the "President's Circle" – might have an entire mile named after themselves or their family foundations. Easy to implement – just hold periodic lavish dinners at tony banquet halls such as the Waldorf Astoria to honor those keeping America safe from unwanted immigration. Let rich critics of open borders put their money where their mouths are.

    Concerts. Remember Willie Nelson's Farm Aid? Why not a twice-a-year or so "Fund the Wall" open-air concert featuring prominent patriotic entertainers such as Charlie Daniels and Billy Ray Cyrus? Funds would come from selling broadcast rights to HBO; admission tickets; and themed merchandise such as C.D.s, hats, keychains, and tee-shirts (an extra $10 if the tee-shirt is signed). All would be "collectible," and, no doubt, speculators would buy huge quantities for future sale on eBay.


    Volunteer labor. Thousands of college students might enlist, given opportunities to meet those of the opposite sex, party, and embellish their résumés, as many college students did during the heyday of the civil rights movement. Particularly savvy undergraduates would also see this work as a networking opportunity. A few might even learn useful post-graduation skills such as how to mix and pour concrete. These "build the wall" camps could be funded by wealthy anti-immigration activists and labor unions opposed to cheap scab labor. This is the right-wing equivalent of the early '60s fad of college students traveling to Cuba to help in the sugar harvest.

    Murals. Paint the wall with artistic murals to make it a tourist attraction. Rich conservative patrons would buy wall space or fund new sections and commission artists to paint huge murals celebrating America's traditions. Art-loving tourists would surely pay $50 for an all-day excursion to see the art and take selfies with the artist. Think Mount Rushmore or the millions of Berlin tourists who made "the Wall" a major stop on their itinerary. Another parallel is the approximate 1,400 government-funded Post Office murals painted during the New Deal. As with all modern art exhibitions, every few miles, there would be a café and gift shop that would feature Trump's many books, posters, and souvenirs.

    Billboards. Use the wall (both sides) as a rentable billboard area that would provide miles upon miles of revenue-producing space. Recall the days when the sports stadiums plastered walls and scoreboards with advertisements. Conceivably, pro-immigration groups might buy space to protest Trump's exclusionary policies and offer advice to those planning to sneak in. Meanwhile, anti-immigration candidates for public office would take out ads to establish their bona fides as opponents of open borders.

    Hard to say exactly how many millions these tactics would generate, but every drop would count and certainly speed up a quest that seems mired in political squabbling.

    With the new Medicaid work requirement, the trend is clear. A new FDR style Work Progress Administration for the modern time that can get the wall build with Corvée labor.

    Convert Section 8 vouchers to wall building work camp barrack. Food stamps to work camp food rations. Full medical benefits included. That’s how the Great Wall was built, and made it great.

    That should get full employment going for a while. No more worry for economic anxieties.

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  94. Maj. Kong says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Who does everyone think the Norwegians will vote for? The Scandinavians aspire to be shitholes.

    Don't import anyone who thinks importing hordes of military-age men who then carry out 1,000s of sexual attacks on your sisters and daughters is just fine. This goes for most of Western Europe.

    Take the dissidents, whose views are already illegal in their home countries. Free Speech Refugees.

    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level. And in the countries that are close to TFR replacement rate, the native ethnic groups are frequently much less fertile than the invaders.

    We could admit many Russians, Belarusians and Ukranians (would they bring the conflict here, probably) but they also have the highest rates of drug abuse and HIV infections, not to mention organized crime and corruption.

    Western Europe has much stricter censorship laws, in addition to the absence of the right to keep and bear arms outside of CZ and CH. Their culture is also less indidivualistic than America, where dissidents against mass immigration get no sympathy when the state sics the antifa rent-a-mob on your protest.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/10/blackhoods-of-antifa.html

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    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level
     
    Why the endless clutching of pearls over this? Why would a Europe with 800 million people be so much worse than one with 900 million? I think it would be better.

    Same goes for every other continent.
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  95. Olyphant says:

    Both Steve and Ben’s points show why the underlying rational of mass immigration in the twenty-first century is so broken and short sighted. Guaranteed to bring in more and more of the lowest quality migrants with a much greater habit of staying in the US as a host country than higher quality migrants. Steve especially lays it out. The most developed countries with highest quality of life and highest quality people just won’t send immigrants to the US anymore, because they’ll almost always lose out from the move. Not only is there the general penalty from loss of networks, contacts, friends and support as a whole from leaving your homeland, but let’s be totally honest. Norwegians and other Europeans have a ton of appealing social benefits in their home countries, so going to the United States with all it’s uncertainties, high debt, scary looking hospital bills and other messes is a step down. Even the few who do come here don’t stay, they’ll maybe intern at Google or Apple to buid skills but then go back home, after all they have a great home to return to.

    Not so with the Haitians, Salvadoreans and Somalians. Their homes really are shitholes and the know it, so they have a much bigger motivation to leave and then, when they get to the US, to stay. So the quality of immigration to the US gets lower and lower, esp the ones who stay and don’t go back home. Even worse because they have big families here.

    The knee jerking leftist response- and the neocon and Chamber of commerce cheap labor open borders response- is to argue that the same thing applied to previous waves of immigrants, and the US turned out just fine. Except, it wasn’t. These open borders parrots don’t realize that the attractive forces for immigrants in 18th and 19th century America were radical different, and they attracted very different people. First, Europe itself was still industrializing then with huge poverty, and since shipping links tended to be in main focused on Europe, this meant the Europeans had both the motivation and means to come. And the ones who did come, were mostly skilled craftsmen and farmers, as well landed gentry and aristocrats, especially when the US was thinly populated. A high quality stream. That’s just not so today when virtually all of Europe, East Asia and even most of South Asia has caught up. The high quality people stay home, it’s the lower quality people and the masses from complete shitholes like Haiti, El Salvador and Somalia who come here with both the means and motivation to do it.

    Just in general mass immigration in the 21st century is a terrible idea because you’ll get the wrong people. The very concept of big refugee flows is idiotic, by definition you’d be getting mostly people from basketcase, dysfunctional countries. And unfortunately, though Trump has tried, both the federal courts and general bureaucratic inertia have made his migrant limitation efforts unsuccessful, tons of refugees from the worst failed states still poured into the USA in 2017.

    The only way a country can partially improve the quality of a mass migration flow is with special arrangements that give preference to it’s kinsmen. Ironic, for all the hate it gets, the EU actually does this for western Europe. Despite all the attention to the Syrians, who are now getting kicked out with Syria joining the safe-zone list, immigration to western Europe is now in main from eastern Europe. The UK voters had one idea with Brexit but the Tory elites have another, they’re replacing the departing Poles with Pakistanis and Somalians! While the French and Germans now get all the Poles and the other east Europeans tagging along with them. Even then, this solution is only temporary because eventually, mass immigration will default to the same mess it’s become for the US and even Canada and Australia despite their suppose point system. Nothing but a welcome mat for the masses from the world’s failed states, who have every reason to come to the US and stay, in major numbers.

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  96. Kirt says:

    The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons. This is not an argument for them automatically being allowed to stay once the war is over with and more or less normal conditions restored, but it’s time to drop the pretense that the US bears no responsibility for shitty conditions in other countries. There are too many examples to the contrary, including Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mexico and Columbia (US drug policy), Syria, Palestine, Somalia and now more and more countries across Africa.

    As far as “The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy”, does this include American citizens who are pro-immigrant or only those who are relentlessly anti-immigrant?

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    The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons. This is not an argument for them automatically being allowed to stay once the war is over with and more or less normal conditions restored, but it’s time to drop the pretense that the US bears no responsibility for shitty conditions in other countries. There are too many examples to the contrary, including Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mexico and Columbia (US drug policy), Syria, Palestine, Somalia and now more and more countries across Africa.
     
    Funny. The US fought a war against Japan (you might have heard about it), but we didn't take in hordes of Japanese immigrants....

    Of course, our current policy is (drum-roll, please): INVADE THE WORLD-INVITE THE WORLD.

    I'm for putting a stop to both.

    As far as “The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy”, does this include American citizens who are pro-immigrant or only those who are relentlessly anti-immigrant?
     
    Why on Earth should we allow traitors and cucks to set American immigration policy?
    , @Daniel H
    >>>The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons.

    Yeah, and as soon as the Salvadoran civil war was over, and free elections were held, who did these persecuted, savaged and oppressed Salvadorans vote for President? Roberto D'Aubisson, described as a right-wing psychopathic killer by the then US ambassador.

    Face it, at least half of these Salvadoran "refugees" were supporters of a the right-wing, "Kill them all, God will know his own." Roberto D'Aubisson.

    You have a naive idea of Salvadorans and Central American in general. A good proportion of them are stone-cold killers, yet fools like you are duped into thinking they are all simple, innocent peasants fleeing the violent culture. Many of the ARE the violent culture and they have brought it here.
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  97. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: At my son’s high school in Seattle all students were shown this video on Wednesday as part of MLK day teaching. It’s a rap by someone named Joyner Lucas depicting a caricature of a Trump white guy spewing hate and swearing.

    Look at this video. It was shown to high school kids ages 14-18, in class. It’s supposed to indoctrinate them in how evil white males are, and how heroic blacks are in their suffering. It’s what the schools do instead of teaching rational debate. This is the new normal in Seattle. Help!

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    There is no help. This country is screwed.
    , @stillCARealist
    I couldn't get past the first minute. Utter trash, even if it could generate some interesting discussions. I recommend you get your kid out of there pronto. Homeschooling is getting easier and better all the time. No f-words or racial garbage necessary. Raise a conscientious and moral young man, not just another potty-mouthed, confused angry liberal.
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  98. Olyphant says:

    And another thing that struck me reading the reasoned comment of Ben Shapiro, is the bitter split on this issue with the American Jewish activist community, especially the snakes known as the NeverTrump neocon crowd. Like Shapiro, I was raised Jewish, went to Israel on Birthright, studied my people’s history in depth at Day School. And being both Jewish and patriotic American, I came to conclusions similar to Ben’s here. But some in the community, especially the hard core neocons and Israel-Firsters, come to a very different conclusion which makes them support mass shithole country immigration to America for cynical reasons.

    Think about this for a moment. Why would seemingly conservative neocon Jews like Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, Robert Kagan and their Commentary pals who are totally in favor of a strong military and Israel building a big wall- then turn around and become supporters of mass immigration and open borders for the USA? On my Birthright trip I met some of these nominally conservative, but NeverTrumper Israeli-Firster types, and their reasoning for supporting mass immigration for the USA and Canada is just.. sinister.

    To them, the USA is actually the greatest existential threat to Israel, that’s the case for North America in general. Despite all the billions in aid the US gives to Israel and the way the US sticks it’s neck out for them like no other nation, to this vocal minority faction, the US and Canada are ‘demographic prisons’ for millions of potential Jewish immigrants who are desperately needed to counterbalance the Arab/Palestinian population, which last year surpassed the Israeli Jewish population of the region to become the majority. To this faction, American Jews are too comfortable, too assimilated, and in danger of complete assimilation in which they’d lose their Jewish identity. This neocon faction shills for mass immigration from shithole countries like Haiti, El Salvador and Somalia because they WANT to destabilize the US and Canada.

    In the eyes of the Israeli-firster types who brought us the war in Iraq, the shithole-izeing of North America by mass immigration from shithole countries will make the US and Canada far less attractive for American Jews, who, they believe, will choose to go to Israel.(Except they won’t, given the hleptocracy shithole theocracy Israel has become under Netanyahu). This is why the Israeli-firster neocons all jumped on with the NeverTrump bandwagon. For them, mass immigration to the US from the shithole countries is exactly the goal, because if they can make the USA messy and undesirable then the US might not demographically “imprison” American and Canadian Jews who are needed more urgently in Israel. It’s sickening to hear these thoughts from people who claim to be Americans, but are willing to push for a policy so damaging to the US very survival and identity. But Rubin, Kagan and the other neocons just won’t shut up about it. In start contrast to patriots like Shapiro and Miller, these neocons are playing a dangerous game to subtly but broadly damage the US, in a bid to make us less attractive for our own students and for the Jewish-American population in particular, which will feel more of a push to make aliyah to Israel. It’s wicked, even treasonous since the USA will never fully recover from the damage. But at least there are the Ben Shaprios and Stephen Millers to call out this faction of anti-American, NeverTrump neocons and their plans.

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    To them, the USA is actually the greatest existential threat to Israel, that’s the case for North America in general.
     
    This conspiracy theory about all American Jews immigrating to Israel is one of the more unusual and amusing.

    Israel is overcrowded, with a very highbirth rate and housing crisis. Demographers predict the population will be 20 million by 2065 - making it one of the most densely populated places in the world.

    As for the motivations of people like Kristol - he shows little real interest in Israel - did not even speak Hebrew.

    These people are very transparent by the way. They support immigration, because internationalism is a core part of their identity and what separates them from hoi polloi Republican voters.

    They imagine themselves as sophisticated, cosmopolitans - and the immigrants they meet in their work life are also bright, educated people from around the world; rather than MS-13 gang-members.

    This internationalism (and sentimental story about immigrants discovering liberty in new world), is part of their core-identity and interpretation of America, and is also related to their Jewish identity, as they were grand-children of such immigrants. They'll never lose these views because it is not contingent on being practical or having any practical results.

    They see America as a historically exceptional, magical country - which is why they feel affronted and like crushing all enemies, when others do not recognize this fact (including even civilized countries like Russia).

    Another important point for them is that they define their identity as being anti-racists and this is one way they are able to express it.

    Kristol's whole persona is: 'despite being militarist Republicans, we are not rednecks - we are internationalists and can read a few words in Ancient Greek'.


    ---

    I sympathize with them a little as I am myself a person with internationalist leanings. The strong difference in my view is belief that countries should be very careful in who they do and don't allow in (not all immigrants are equal).


    are desperately needed to counterbalance the Arab/Palestinian population, which last year surpassed the Israeli Jewish population of the region to become the majority.
     
    As of this year, Jewish women in Israel have higher total fertility rate than Arab women. Even the fertility rates amongst the secular population are rising each year.
    , @3g4me
    @98 Olyphant: " Like Shapiro, I was raised Jewish, went to Israel on Birthright, studied my people’s history in depth at Day School. And being both Jewish and patriotic American . . . "

    Something here strikes me as rather oxymoronic ("my people's history" versus "patriotic American") but that's just me being anti-semitic, I suppose.

    "But at least there are the Ben Shaprios and Stephen Millers to call out this faction of anti-American, NeverTrump neocons and their plans."

    That you feel comfortable conflating the Littlest Chickenhawk with a genuinely patriotic American who happens to be Jewish is amply sufficient evidence to adjudge your entire comment as worthless tripe.
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  99. Bill B. says:
    @Anonymous
    OT: back to shithole Haiti...

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/liberal-activist-is-brutally-raped-in-haiti-by-a-black-man-blames-white-men/

    Liberal Activist Is Brutally Raped in Haiti by a Black Man – Blames White Men

    Amanda Kijera was on a humanitarian trip to Haiti, when she was violently raped by a black man. The act was both coincidental and devastating, as Kijera was actually in Haiti to dispel the “myths” that violence against women on the island was overstated by women’s rights organizations. The intention of Kijera’s trip was to push back on the portrayal of black men as “savages” in the media. Her hope was that she would eliminate misconceptions and push back against common views imposed by “the man.” However, Kijera’s trip took a turn for the worse when one of the men she had worked to protect cornered her on the rooftop, and raped her numerous times.

    “The experience was almost more than I could bear,” Kijera wrote about the incident, “I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care.”

    According to Kijera, she eventually stopped fighting him, claiming that there was nothing she could do to stop him from raping her repeatedly. After the tragic experience, she placed the blame on a very unexpected course. Women are not the source of their oppression; oppressive policies and the as-yet unaddressed white patriarchy which still dominates the global stage are,” she explained.

    She also went on to argue that it is up to the United Nations to support people who are forced to bear the brunt of black male aggression. Kijera makes the outrageous claim that dependency on white people causes them to act out against them. She alludes that this was the reason for her attack.
     

    Hmmm, how to end dependency on white people?

    Another silly women, a preening ‘human rights’ journalist, demanded rough sex back in the US to ‘cure’ her PTSD obtained while listening to Haitian rape stories six years ago.

    https://www.good.is/articles/how-violent-sex-helped-ease-my-ptsd

    So in this case was Kijera’s rape self-correcting given that it was simultaneously rough? Her idiotic lashing out at white men might suggest as much.

    (The earlier lady, Mac McClelland, came to my attention after she wrote a useless book on Burma. Hunter S. Thompson’s epigone’s are weak indeed.)

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  100. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country.

    It destroyed the whites and mulattos, the absence of whom resulted in Haiti becoming a shithole.

    Cuba endured a long revolution too, and the enmity of the United States. It hasn’t ended up as bad as Haiti.

    None-the-less, your faith in the plucky haitian people is touching. You should go live there. Send us a postcard.

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  101. eah says:

    thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers

    Depending on exactly what you mean by “disability” and “spongers”, this may be true — but I think you would have a very difficult time finding data to prove it.

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  102. Lagertha says:
    @Altai
    Shithole is a such an ugly term, why didn't Trump say 'loser country'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kSj-8qqy_g&t=2m37s

    Shithole is easier. We have so many videos of migrants shitting in Paris. London and Rome streets these days, that the term does not waiver in the truth.

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  103. J1234 says:

    Trump also made his comments to get back in the graces of the hard right after his DACA love-fest with the likes of Lynn-zee Graham and Dick Durbin. Trump’s pretty good at this – with his seemingly spontaneous (but likely orchestrated) outrageousness, he can redirect the media’s attention away from possible amnesty betrayal and, in just a few hours, make conservatives think he’s one of them again. There certainly is some sincerity (as well as a lot of truth) in his remarks, but he’s also got a political sleight of hand thing going on.

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  104. helena says:

    The African Union has spoken out today. This is good – the dialogue about Development should be out in the open. The Liberal West has deflected discussion away from what is happening in underdeveloped countries and towards the perpetual contemplation of who in the West is Racist. But, e.g., there are EU tariffs impeding Development in Africa and so the more Public the discussion becomes, the more will people (as in populist) understand that the Racism Narrative hides an unwillingness to actually, practically, politically, help Africa etc. Develop.

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  105. @22pp22
    I have had a very pleasant afternoon snooze and I woke up with the word shithole on my mind.

    When I was an academic, I interacted with American academics a lot. They were SJW's to a manfemthingbot, and they used to delight in telling me that Britain was a shithole. My feelings did not matter.

    Last June, I went back to Britain for the first time in 12 years, and where Britain is still British, it is very very far from being a shithole. That includes quite poor places like Pwllheli in North Wales.

    The only reason Anderson Cooper blubbed on TV when Haiti was described as a shithole is because it is a shithole and he knows it.

    I pity these people. Being one of the cool kids is an exercise in emoting on cue and publicly telling lies that everyone knows are lies.

    The only reason Anderson Cooper blubbed on TV when Haiti was described as a shithole is because it is a shithole and he knows it.”

    Maybe another reason why Mr. Cooper “blubbed on TV When Haiti was described as a shithole” is because he may have had his own, ahem, shithole serviced satisfactorily by some of the strapping young Haitian locals back when he was there to report on the hurricane.

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  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, it’s good that you use that ‘university selection exclusivity’ analogy when referring to immigration.
    Firstly, because ‘university independence’ is perhaps the closest comparison we can get with ‘national sovereignty’ in terms of what ‘sovereignty’ actually means – despite the largely successful attempts of sophists to explain ‘sovereignty’ away.

    Secondly, because the vast bulk of these sophists – the hardest, toughest most determined – and influential – immigration advocates who concoct all sorts of damned convoluted lies to ‘justify’ mass immigration and ‘open borders’ are precisely tenured university professors with cushy jobs in their own ‘exclusive’ little wombs, untroubled by the great unwashed kept outside by all sorts of exclusionary barriers.

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  107. syonredux says:
    @TWS
    So if we took them all we'd get what a few thousand? What would we do year two?

    So if we took them all we’d get what a few thousand? What would we do year two?

    Stop taking in immigrants. A 50 year moratorium sounds great.

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    I'll drink to that.
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  108. Immigration is just neo-colonialism. Back in the colonial heyday, imperialist powers grabbed the resources of the weak to full their resource-based manufacturing economies. Now we have a service-based economy, so what do we do? Grab the best service workers and relocate them. Human resources, it’s a thing now.

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  109. syonredux says:
    @Kirt
    The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons. This is not an argument for them automatically being allowed to stay once the war is over with and more or less normal conditions restored, but it's time to drop the pretense that the US bears no responsibility for shitty conditions in other countries. There are too many examples to the contrary, including Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mexico and Columbia (US drug policy), Syria, Palestine, Somalia and now more and more countries across Africa.

    As far as "The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy", does this include American citizens who are pro-immigrant or only those who are relentlessly anti-immigrant?

    The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons. This is not an argument for them automatically being allowed to stay once the war is over with and more or less normal conditions restored, but it’s time to drop the pretense that the US bears no responsibility for shitty conditions in other countries. There are too many examples to the contrary, including Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mexico and Columbia (US drug policy), Syria, Palestine, Somalia and now more and more countries across Africa.

    Funny. The US fought a war against Japan (you might have heard about it), but we didn’t take in hordes of Japanese immigrants….

    Of course, our current policy is (drum-roll, please): INVADE THE WORLD-INVITE THE WORLD.

    I’m for putting a stop to both.

    As far as “The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy”, does this include American citizens who are pro-immigrant or only those who are relentlessly anti-immigrant?

    Why on Earth should we allow traitors and cucks to set American immigration policy?

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  110. Mr. Anon says:
    @CrunchyButRealistCon
    It is painful to watch Ben Shapiro try to massage the narrative to keep anti-Neocon world views from becoming mainstream. Egalitarianism is still sacrosanct to him & only certain countries are allowed to use ethnocentric bias in their immigration criteria. He is on ever thinner ice as the anti-European population replacement agenda of the post 1960 Elite becomes impossible to ignore.
    Whatever lil Ben, just keep peddling your bland bargain Neoconnery & double standards.....

    Egalitarianism is still sacrosanct to him & only certain countries are allowed to use ethnocentric bias in their immigration criteria.

    Probably just one country.

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  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @Paid Concern Troll
    I too am concerned.

    Thomas is no concern troll. He has a good point.

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  112. El Dato says:

    Moby interview shows that Whitey can have IQ hovering at about 80: ‘CIA friends’ asked Moby to spread word of Trump-Russia collusion on social media

    The musician said he did not know for sure whether there was collusion between Trump and Russia, but added “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

    Moby went on to make some ominous predictions about Trump, saying things are “going to get quite a lot darker.”

    “Like the depth of the Trump family and business, their involvement with organized crime sponsors of terrorism, Russian oligarchs – like it’s really, really dark.”

    However, Moby said he is hopeful that his “friend and neighbor,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-California), will win in 2018 and take over as head of the House Judiciary Committee.

    “That is when things start to get really serious,” Moby said, referring to the Russia probe led by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Moby also said he is grateful for Trump’s incompetence.

    “Like, just imagine how much more dangerous he’d be if he was intelligent and had emotional impulse control,” Moby said. “I’m really grateful that if we’re going to have a tyrant at least let him be stupid and incompetent.”

    Moby said his “dream” president would be former First Lady Michelle Obama, but accepted it’s “never going to happen.” In lieu of another Obama, Moby said he would like to see either Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) or Senator Kamala Harris (D-California) as the next commander in chief.

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    CIA friends, or space aliens who visited Moby at night? The role of Brennan still seems obscured in comparison to the DoJ and FBI.
    , @Anonymous
    Who the hell cares what that irrelevant, has-been freak has to say?
    , @TWS
    And they say too much weed has no long term effects.
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  113. Maj. Kong says:
    @jimmyriddle
    The important question is can Trump deliver meaningful change?

    A conspiracy theorist might argue that he just threw some red meat to his base because he's about to roll over on DACA and the wall.

    I think its just another case of Trump loose lips. And it will make it harder to kill the diversity lottery, because of accusations of racism.

    It’s annoying to see Scott Adams counter-signaling us.

    The GOP hasn’t won a Senate seat in California since 1990, and no “merit based” system is going to evict Kamala Harris and replace her with Dilbert.

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  114. Maj. Kong says:
    @anon
    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions?

    Yep. Fascinating how black people always have some kind of excuse for why they can't do anything right, isn't it?

    Can I ask you a serious question? Would there ever be an excuse black people came up with that you wouldn't automatically believe? What would it look like? Can you give me an example of an excuse for black failure that you wouldn't believe?

    South Korea was also ruled by kleptocratic dictators during this time period. They had no access to the mineral resources in the Communist North. Tens of thousands of American soldiers were posted there, using many of the women as prostitutes. And that was after the exploitation that Japan imposed on them.

    White Supremists, yup

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  115. Realist says:

    Norway is a socialist country when the oil runs out they will depend on lutefisk.

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    Norway is a socialist country when the oil runs out they will depend on lutefisk.
     
    And it will still be orders of magnitude better than Haiti.
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  116. Realist says:
    @Altai
    Shithole is a such an ugly term, why didn't Trump say 'loser country'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kSj-8qqy_g&t=2m37s

    Because shithole is more accurate.

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  117. Realist says:
    @anon
    OT: At my son's high school in Seattle all students were shown this video on Wednesday as part of MLK day teaching. It's a rap by someone named Joyner Lucas depicting a caricature of a Trump white guy spewing hate and swearing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43gm3CJePn0

    Look at this video. It was shown to high school kids ages 14-18, in class. It's supposed to indoctrinate them in how evil white males are, and how heroic blacks are in their suffering. It's what the schools do instead of teaching rational debate. This is the new normal in Seattle. Help!

    There is no help. This country is screwed.

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    It's certainly not just Seattle. It goes on everywhere now. That Long March thing.
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  118. Never a truer word, Mr President? Below a literal ‘ordure’ of merit. Ranking access to “facilities …to ensure hygienic separation of human excreta from human contact” as measured by the ‘WHO/UNICEF Joint Monitoring Programme (JMP) for Water Supply and Sanitation’, here:

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.ACSN/rankings

    Hold your noses voodoo children, but Haiti is #166 with a bullet. And see how ‘Africa’ – idylls tagged with an ‘A’ – dominates the bottom of the, well, pan. (100 = complete access)

    >
    1 New Caledonia 100
    1 Austria 100
    1 Malta 100
    1 Greenland 100
    1 Palau 100
    1 Singapore 100
    1 Cyprus 100
    1 Korea 100
    1 Kuwait 100
    1 Andorra 100
    1 Israel 100
    1 Monaco 100
    1 Australia 100
    1 Japan 100
    1 United States 100
    1 Uzbekistan 100
    1 Saudi Arabia 100
    18 Switzerland 99.9
    18 Spain 99.9
    20 Canada 99.8
    21 Portugal 99.7
    22 Denmark 99.6
    23 Belgium 99.5
    23 Italy 99.5
    25 Puerto Rico 99.3
    25 Sweden 99.3
    27 Bahrain 99.2
    27 United Kingdom 99.2
    27 Germany 99.2
    30 Chile 99.1
    30 Czech Republic 99.1
    30 Slovenia 99.1
    33 Greece 99
    34 Slovak Republic 98.8
    34 Iceland 98.8
    36 France 98.7
    37 Jordan 98.6
    38 Seychelles 98.4
    39 Norway 98.1
    40 Hungary 98
    40 Grenada 98
    40 Qatar 98
    43 Netherlands 97.7
    44 Luxembourg 97.6
    44 United Arab Emirates 97.6
    44 Finland 97.6
    47 Kazakhstan 97.5
    48 Estonia 97.2
    48 Poland 97.2
    50 Croatia 97
    51 Oman 96.7
    52 Libya 96.6 A
    53 Argentina 96.4
    53 Serbia 96.4
    53 Uruguay 96.4
    56 Barbados 96.2
    57 Malaysia 96
    58 Ukraine 95.9
    58 Montenegro 95.9
    60 Syrian Arab Republic 95.7
    61 Cayman Islands 95.6
    62 Sri Lanka 95.1
    63 Tajikistan 95
    64 Turkey 94.9
    65 Bosnia and Herzegovina 94.8
    66 Egypt 94.7 A
    67 Costa Rica 94.5
    68 Venezuela 94.4
    69 Belarus 94.3
    70 Kyrgyz Republic 93.3
    71 Albania 93.2
    71 Cuba 93.2
    73 Mauritius 93.1
    74 Thailand 93
    75 Lithuania 92.4
    76 The Bahamas 92
    77 Tunisia 91.6 A
    78 Samoa 91.5
    78 Trinidad and Tobago 91.5
    80 Antigua and Barbuda 91.4
    81 Fiji 91.1
    82 Tonga 91
    83 Macedonia 90.9
    84 St. Lucia 90.5
    84 Ireland 90.5
    84 Belize 90.5
    87 Iran 90
    88 Armenia 89.5
    89 Azerbaijan 89.3
    90 Paraguay 88.6
    91 Latvia 87.8
    92 Algeria 87.6 A
    93 St. Kitts and Nevis 87.3
    94 Georgia 86.3
    95 Bulgaria 86
    96 Iraq 85.6
    97 Mexico 85.2
    98 Ecuador 84.7
    99 Dominican Republic 84
    100 Guyana 83.7
    101 Tuvalu 83.3
    102 Brazil 82.8
    103 Honduras 82.6
    104 Dem. People’s Rep. Korea 81.9
    105 Jamaica 81.8
    106 Colombia 81.1
    106 Dominica 81.1
    108 Lebanon 80.7
    109 Myanmar 79.6
    110 Suriname 79.2
    111 Romania 79.1
    112 Vietnam 78
    113 Morocco 76.7
    114 China 76.5
    115 Moldova 76.4
    116 Peru 76.2
    117 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 76.1
    118 El Salvador 75
    118 Panama 75
    120 Equatorial Guinea 74.5 A
    121 Philippines 73.9
    122 Russia 72.2
    122 Cabo Verde 72.2 A
    124 Lao PDR 70.9
    125 Nicaragua 67.9
    126 South Africa 66.4 A
    127 Guatemala 63.9
    128 Pakistan 63.5
    129 Botswana 63.4 A
    130 Turkmenistan 62.7
    131 Rwanda 61.6 A
    132 Indonesia 60.8
    133 Bangladesh 60.6
    134 Mongolia 59.7
    135 The Gambia 58.9 A
    136 Vanuatu 57.9
    137 Swaziland 57.5
    138 Yemen 53.3
    139 Angola 51.6 A
    140 Bhutan 50.4
    141 Bolivia 50.3
    142 Burundi 48 A
    143 Senegal 47.6 A
    144 Djibouti 47.4
    145 Nepal 45.8
    145 Cameroon 45.8 A
    147 Zambia 43.9 A
    148 Cambodia 42.4
    149 Gabon 41.9 A
    150 Malawi 41 A
    151 Timor-Leste 40.6
    152 Mauritania 40 A
    153 Kiribati 39.7
    154 India 39.6
    155 Zimbabwe 36.8 A
    156 Comoros 35.8
    157 São Tomé and Principe 34.7 A
    158 Namibia 34.4 A
    159 Afghanistan 31.9
    160 Lesotho 30.3 A
    161 Kenya 30.1 A
    162 Solomon Islands 29.8
    163 Nigeria 29 A
    164 Dem. Rep. Congo 28.7 A
    165 Ethiopia 28 A
    166 Haiti 27.6
    167 Mali 24.7 A
    168 Sudan 23.6 A
    169 Somalia 23.5 A
    170 Côte d’Ivoire 22.5 A
    171 Central African Republic 21.8 A
    172 Guinea-Bissau 20.8 A
    173 Mozambique 20.5 A
    174 Guinea 20.1 A
    175 Benin 19.7 A
    175 Burkina Faso 19.7 A
    177 Uganda 19.1 A
    178 Papua New Guinea 18.9
    179 Liberia 16.9 A
    180 Eritrea 15.7 A
    181 Tanzania 15.6 A
    182 Congo 15 A
    183 Ghana 14.9 A
    184 Sierra Leone 13.3 A
    185 Chad 12.1 A
    186 Madagascar 12 A
    187 Togo 11.6 A
    188 Niger 10.9 A

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    I like your writing style, and thanks for the intel, but if the US is at 100% why have I seen negroes using the public thoroughfares for defecation?

    Am I acting too white to be asking this? Or were they likely immigrants from places like.... Haiti? I didn't think to ask. They seemed sorta busy anyway.

    , @ScarletNumber
    Niger, please
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  119. LondonBob says:

    Any evidence Trump said this apart from Durbin, who is upset Trump strung him along in the false hope that he might get a clean DACA?

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  120. LondonBob says:
    @El Dato
    Moby interview shows that Whitey can have IQ hovering at about 80: 'CIA friends' asked Moby to spread word of Trump-Russia collusion on social media

    The musician said he did not know for sure whether there was collusion between Trump and Russia, but added “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

    Moby went on to make some ominous predictions about Trump, saying things are “going to get quite a lot darker.”

    “Like the depth of the Trump family and business, their involvement with organized crime sponsors of terrorism, Russian oligarchs – like it’s really, really dark.”

    However, Moby said he is hopeful that his “friend and neighbor,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-California), will win in 2018 and take over as head of the House Judiciary Committee.

    “That is when things start to get really serious,” Moby said, referring to the Russia probe led by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Moby also said he is grateful for Trump’s incompetence.

    “Like, just imagine how much more dangerous he’d be if he was intelligent and had emotional impulse control,” Moby said. “I’m really grateful that if we’re going to have a tyrant at least let him be stupid and incompetent.”

    Moby said his “dream” president would be former First Lady Michelle Obama, but accepted it’s “never going to happen.” In lieu of another Obama, Moby said he would like to see either Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) or Senator Kamala Harris (D-California) as the next commander in chief.
     

    CIA friends, or space aliens who visited Moby at night? The role of Brennan still seems obscured in comparison to the DoJ and FBI.

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  121. @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    “it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US”

    The language is not a terribly easy one, it’s only spoken by 5 million people, and Norwegians, while polite and sociable, will take a long time to accept you as “one of them”.

    Plus, most people love the country they were born and raised in, although the younger generation are more rootless and cosmopolitan.

    I’m always surprised more young Brits don’t head to Norway, learn the language and look for work – but it’s a very expensive place to live while you’re studying – prices are Icelandic-level.

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    Norway is boring and cold, as are most Scandinavian countries. Danes are a bit more fun loving and open, but not with undesirable immigrants.
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  122. Bubba says:
    @songbird
    Someone should blindfold Vincente Fox. Plop him down in the middle of Port-au-Prince, spin him around a few times and see how long it takes him to find a working toilet without a guide.

    Or Mexico City where he’d be beaten and dismembered faster than a piñata if he is not completely surrounded his heavily armed security team.

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  123. LondonBob says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US"

    The language is not a terribly easy one, it's only spoken by 5 million people, and Norwegians, while polite and sociable, will take a long time to accept you as "one of them".

    Plus, most people love the country they were born and raised in, although the younger generation are more rootless and cosmopolitan.

    I'm always surprised more young Brits don't head to Norway, learn the language and look for work - but it's a very expensive place to live while you're studying - prices are Icelandic-level.

    Norway is boring and cold, as are most Scandinavian countries. Danes are a bit more fun loving and open, but not with undesirable immigrants.

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  124. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    OT: back to shithole Haiti...

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/liberal-activist-is-brutally-raped-in-haiti-by-a-black-man-blames-white-men/

    Liberal Activist Is Brutally Raped in Haiti by a Black Man – Blames White Men

    Amanda Kijera was on a humanitarian trip to Haiti, when she was violently raped by a black man. The act was both coincidental and devastating, as Kijera was actually in Haiti to dispel the “myths” that violence against women on the island was overstated by women’s rights organizations. The intention of Kijera’s trip was to push back on the portrayal of black men as “savages” in the media. Her hope was that she would eliminate misconceptions and push back against common views imposed by “the man.” However, Kijera’s trip took a turn for the worse when one of the men she had worked to protect cornered her on the rooftop, and raped her numerous times.

    “The experience was almost more than I could bear,” Kijera wrote about the incident, “I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care.”

    According to Kijera, she eventually stopped fighting him, claiming that there was nothing she could do to stop him from raping her repeatedly. After the tragic experience, she placed the blame on a very unexpected course. Women are not the source of their oppression; oppressive policies and the as-yet unaddressed white patriarchy which still dominates the global stage are,” she explained.

    She also went on to argue that it is up to the United Nations to support people who are forced to bear the brunt of black male aggression. Kijera makes the outrageous claim that dependency on white people causes them to act out against them. She alludes that this was the reason for her attack.
     

    Hmmm, how to end dependency on white people?

    Why doesn’t she just say that she enjoyed it? She can still blame white men if she wants. We don’t mind.

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  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Wow, Corvinus. Never heard that before. Not even once, much less a thousand or so times.

    Indeed, the irritating thing about broken records is that they tend to repeat.

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  126. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Maj. Kong
    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level. And in the countries that are close to TFR replacement rate, the native ethnic groups are frequently much less fertile than the invaders.

    We could admit many Russians, Belarusians and Ukranians (would they bring the conflict here, probably) but they also have the highest rates of drug abuse and HIV infections, not to mention organized crime and corruption.

    Western Europe has much stricter censorship laws, in addition to the absence of the right to keep and bear arms outside of CZ and CH. Their culture is also less indidivualistic than America, where dissidents against mass immigration get no sympathy when the state sics the antifa rent-a-mob on your protest.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/10/blackhoods-of-antifa.html

    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level

    Why the endless clutching of pearls over this? Why would a Europe with 800 million people be so much worse than one with 900 million? I think it would be better.

    Same goes for every other continent.

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    History belongs to those who show up. - Mark Steyn

    The Third World leaders won't willingly reduce their nation's fertility rates, as they see a mulatto Europe as much better. But they could be convinced to stop emigration if they saw the peoples of Europe reject a feminist oblivion and undergo a revival in the same way that Israel has.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    I think it would be better.
     
    Then you do not understand how demographic declines work and how they interact with economics and other social factors.

    Populations age as they shrink, inverting the normal population pyramid. There are fewer young people to support the elderly. The fertile cohort---the people who are of the correct age to actually bear children---shrinks relative to the overall population. You get three generations of continued numerical population increase due to demographic momentum (i.e. older, larger generations malingering and refusing to die), but once that 70 years or so is over, you find yourself in a condition such that the average woman would have to have between 4-5 children apiece survive to adulthood merely to stabilize the population at the current level.

    And that is impossible to achieve considering that those younger people are also bearing the burden of the aged, who neither produce as much as they once did nor have any savings to spend or invest. The economy overall produces less; wealth and standards of living decline, exacerbating the demographic difficulties and leading to a downward spiral of increasing poverty and population collapse.

    Once a demographic decline sets in, it is practically impossible to reverse. The population keeps falling and falling until it stabilizes at an agricultural level of subsistence, with a concomitant loss of higher orders of civilization.

    The entire world is already in this condition. Even taking into consideration "the scariest graph in the world," the global number of 0-5 year-olds is expected to level off within the next few decades, portending an inevitable decrease in the human population before the middle of the next century. And that is not even taking wars and other disasters into effect, nor is it controlling for the quality of the humans who actually still breed.

    A good source for information on this is the Econimica blog, particularly this post, which ought to be required reading for everyone here.

    https://econimica.blogspot.com/2016/06/why-this-time-is-completely-utterly.html

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  127. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist
    There is no help. This country is screwed.

    It’s certainly not just Seattle. It goes on everywhere now. That Long March thing.

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    That's what I am saying.
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  128. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato
    Moby interview shows that Whitey can have IQ hovering at about 80: 'CIA friends' asked Moby to spread word of Trump-Russia collusion on social media

    The musician said he did not know for sure whether there was collusion between Trump and Russia, but added “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

    Moby went on to make some ominous predictions about Trump, saying things are “going to get quite a lot darker.”

    “Like the depth of the Trump family and business, their involvement with organized crime sponsors of terrorism, Russian oligarchs – like it’s really, really dark.”

    However, Moby said he is hopeful that his “friend and neighbor,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-California), will win in 2018 and take over as head of the House Judiciary Committee.

    “That is when things start to get really serious,” Moby said, referring to the Russia probe led by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Moby also said he is grateful for Trump’s incompetence.

    “Like, just imagine how much more dangerous he’d be if he was intelligent and had emotional impulse control,” Moby said. “I’m really grateful that if we’re going to have a tyrant at least let him be stupid and incompetent.”

    Moby said his “dream” president would be former First Lady Michelle Obama, but accepted it’s “never going to happen.” In lieu of another Obama, Moby said he would like to see either Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) or Senator Kamala Harris (D-California) as the next commander in chief.
     

    Who the hell cares what that irrelevant, has-been freak has to say?

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  129. Gunner says:
    @Barnard
    CDs? Billy Ray Cyrus? I have a dream that one day I will be as completely divorced from our popular culture as Weissberg must be today. It has to be a wonderful life.

    Any singer or artist who helped Trump would be instantly blacklisted and savaged by the SJW Media Industrial Complex.

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    And between that and the willingness of Hollywood to pour money into projects that will not make a dime can be seen what our mass media really is. There has been a massive drop-off in the authority and credibility of both the news and celebrities, whose real purpose is not to make money but to thought lead, along lines described by Bernays. There's pink hat wearing dead enders who worry about what Brad Pitt's wife thinks about something, and we'll never be completely rid of them. But many, both Trumpeting and apolitical, are less suggestible than they were ten years ago. This is a good thing, it's panicking our elites, and it's part of the reason for the recent changes at FaceZuck.
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  130. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anonymous

    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level
     
    Why the endless clutching of pearls over this? Why would a Europe with 800 million people be so much worse than one with 900 million? I think it would be better.

    Same goes for every other continent.

    History belongs to those who show up. – Mark Steyn

    The Third World leaders won’t willingly reduce their nation’s fertility rates, as they see a mulatto Europe as much better. But they could be convinced to stop emigration if they saw the peoples of Europe reject a feminist oblivion and undergo a revival in the same way that Israel has.

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  131. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AceintheHole
    Never a truer word, Mr President? Below a literal 'ordure' of merit. Ranking access to "facilities ...to ensure hygienic separation of human excreta from human contact" as measured by the 'WHO/UNICEF Joint Monitoring Programme (JMP) for Water Supply and Sanitation', here:

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.ACSN/rankings

    Hold your noses voodoo children, but Haiti is #166 with a bullet. And see how 'Africa' - idylls tagged with an 'A' - dominates the bottom of the, well, pan. (100 = complete access)



    >
    1 New Caledonia 100
    1 Austria 100
    1 Malta 100
    1 Greenland 100
    1 Palau 100
    1 Singapore 100
    1 Cyprus 100
    1 Korea 100
    1 Kuwait 100
    1 Andorra 100
    1 Israel 100
    1 Monaco 100
    1 Australia 100
    1 Japan 100
    1 United States 100
    1 Uzbekistan 100
    1 Saudi Arabia 100
    18 Switzerland 99.9
    18 Spain 99.9
    20 Canada 99.8
    21 Portugal 99.7
    22 Denmark 99.6
    23 Belgium 99.5
    23 Italy 99.5
    25 Puerto Rico 99.3
    25 Sweden 99.3
    27 Bahrain 99.2
    27 United Kingdom 99.2
    27 Germany 99.2
    30 Chile 99.1
    30 Czech Republic 99.1
    30 Slovenia 99.1
    33 Greece 99
    34 Slovak Republic 98.8
    34 Iceland 98.8
    36 France 98.7
    37 Jordan 98.6
    38 Seychelles 98.4
    39 Norway 98.1
    40 Hungary 98
    40 Grenada 98
    40 Qatar 98
    43 Netherlands 97.7
    44 Luxembourg 97.6
    44 United Arab Emirates 97.6
    44 Finland 97.6
    47 Kazakhstan 97.5
    48 Estonia 97.2
    48 Poland 97.2
    50 Croatia 97
    51 Oman 96.7
    52 Libya 96.6 A
    53 Argentina 96.4
    53 Serbia 96.4
    53 Uruguay 96.4
    56 Barbados 96.2
    57 Malaysia 96
    58 Ukraine 95.9
    58 Montenegro 95.9
    60 Syrian Arab Republic 95.7
    61 Cayman Islands 95.6
    62 Sri Lanka 95.1
    63 Tajikistan 95
    64 Turkey 94.9
    65 Bosnia and Herzegovina 94.8
    66 Egypt 94.7 A
    67 Costa Rica 94.5
    68 Venezuela 94.4
    69 Belarus 94.3
    70 Kyrgyz Republic 93.3
    71 Albania 93.2
    71 Cuba 93.2
    73 Mauritius 93.1
    74 Thailand 93
    75 Lithuania 92.4
    76 The Bahamas 92
    77 Tunisia 91.6 A
    78 Samoa 91.5
    78 Trinidad and Tobago 91.5
    80 Antigua and Barbuda 91.4
    81 Fiji 91.1
    82 Tonga 91
    83 Macedonia 90.9
    84 St. Lucia 90.5
    84 Ireland 90.5
    84 Belize 90.5
    87 Iran 90
    88 Armenia 89.5
    89 Azerbaijan 89.3
    90 Paraguay 88.6
    91 Latvia 87.8
    92 Algeria 87.6 A
    93 St. Kitts and Nevis 87.3
    94 Georgia 86.3
    95 Bulgaria 86
    96 Iraq 85.6
    97 Mexico 85.2
    98 Ecuador 84.7
    99 Dominican Republic 84
    100 Guyana 83.7
    101 Tuvalu 83.3
    102 Brazil 82.8
    103 Honduras 82.6
    104 Dem. People's Rep. Korea 81.9
    105 Jamaica 81.8
    106 Colombia 81.1
    106 Dominica 81.1
    108 Lebanon 80.7
    109 Myanmar 79.6
    110 Suriname 79.2
    111 Romania 79.1
    112 Vietnam 78
    113 Morocco 76.7
    114 China 76.5
    115 Moldova 76.4
    116 Peru 76.2
    117 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 76.1
    118 El Salvador 75
    118 Panama 75
    120 Equatorial Guinea 74.5 A
    121 Philippines 73.9
    122 Russia 72.2
    122 Cabo Verde 72.2 A
    124 Lao PDR 70.9
    125 Nicaragua 67.9
    126 South Africa 66.4 A
    127 Guatemala 63.9
    128 Pakistan 63.5
    129 Botswana 63.4 A
    130 Turkmenistan 62.7
    131 Rwanda 61.6 A
    132 Indonesia 60.8
    133 Bangladesh 60.6
    134 Mongolia 59.7
    135 The Gambia 58.9 A
    136 Vanuatu 57.9
    137 Swaziland 57.5
    138 Yemen 53.3
    139 Angola 51.6 A
    140 Bhutan 50.4
    141 Bolivia 50.3
    142 Burundi 48 A
    143 Senegal 47.6 A
    144 Djibouti 47.4
    145 Nepal 45.8
    145 Cameroon 45.8 A
    147 Zambia 43.9 A
    148 Cambodia 42.4
    149 Gabon 41.9 A
    150 Malawi 41 A
    151 Timor-Leste 40.6
    152 Mauritania 40 A
    153 Kiribati 39.7
    154 India 39.6
    155 Zimbabwe 36.8 A
    156 Comoros 35.8
    157 São Tomé and Principe 34.7 A
    158 Namibia 34.4 A
    159 Afghanistan 31.9
    160 Lesotho 30.3 A
    161 Kenya 30.1 A
    162 Solomon Islands 29.8
    163 Nigeria 29 A
    164 Dem. Rep. Congo 28.7 A
    165 Ethiopia 28 A
    166 Haiti 27.6
    167 Mali 24.7 A
    168 Sudan 23.6 A
    169 Somalia 23.5 A
    170 Côte d'Ivoire 22.5 A
    171 Central African Republic 21.8 A
    172 Guinea-Bissau 20.8 A
    173 Mozambique 20.5 A
    174 Guinea 20.1 A
    175 Benin 19.7 A
    175 Burkina Faso 19.7 A
    177 Uganda 19.1 A
    178 Papua New Guinea 18.9
    179 Liberia 16.9 A
    180 Eritrea 15.7 A
    181 Tanzania 15.6 A
    182 Congo 15 A
    183 Ghana 14.9 A
    184 Sierra Leone 13.3 A
    185 Chad 12.1 A
    186 Madagascar 12 A
    187 Togo 11.6 A
    188 Niger 10.9 A

    I like your writing style, and thanks for the intel, but if the US is at 100% why have I seen negroes using the public thoroughfares for defecation?

    Am I acting too white to be asking this? Or were they likely immigrants from places like…. Haiti? I didn’t think to ask. They seemed sorta busy anyway.

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  132. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    Trump would have more leverage if were actively deporting people, rather than endlessly negotiating who to deport and when to deport them.

    This "shithole"uproar is really just a by product of his unwillingness to keep his campaign promise to kill DACA on his first day in office.

    He doesn't have a much time as he thinks to fix this mess.

    Aim high, shoot low.

    I’m currently watching the Dems tear themselves apart over DACA and you’re crying into your soy that he didn’t end it on Day One.

    You and the rest of the DRUMPF crowd should stick to golf and movie threads.

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  133. @jimmyriddle
    The important question is can Trump deliver meaningful change?

    A conspiracy theorist might argue that he just threw some red meat to his base because he's about to roll over on DACA and the wall.

    I think its just another case of Trump loose lips. And it will make it harder to kill the diversity lottery, because of accusations of racism.

    The important question here is why are there so many cringing bugmen around here who think their Big Brain arguments are anything but fearful cringing?

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  134. @AceintheHole
    Never a truer word, Mr President? Below a literal 'ordure' of merit. Ranking access to "facilities ...to ensure hygienic separation of human excreta from human contact" as measured by the 'WHO/UNICEF Joint Monitoring Programme (JMP) for Water Supply and Sanitation', here:

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.STA.ACSN/rankings

    Hold your noses voodoo children, but Haiti is #166 with a bullet. And see how 'Africa' - idylls tagged with an 'A' - dominates the bottom of the, well, pan. (100 = complete access)



    >
    1 New Caledonia 100
    1 Austria 100
    1 Malta 100
    1 Greenland 100
    1 Palau 100
    1 Singapore 100
    1 Cyprus 100
    1 Korea 100
    1 Kuwait 100
    1 Andorra 100
    1 Israel 100
    1 Monaco 100
    1 Australia 100
    1 Japan 100
    1 United States 100
    1 Uzbekistan 100
    1 Saudi Arabia 100
    18 Switzerland 99.9
    18 Spain 99.9
    20 Canada 99.8
    21 Portugal 99.7
    22 Denmark 99.6
    23 Belgium 99.5
    23 Italy 99.5
    25 Puerto Rico 99.3
    25 Sweden 99.3
    27 Bahrain 99.2
    27 United Kingdom 99.2
    27 Germany 99.2
    30 Chile 99.1
    30 Czech Republic 99.1
    30 Slovenia 99.1
    33 Greece 99
    34 Slovak Republic 98.8
    34 Iceland 98.8
    36 France 98.7
    37 Jordan 98.6
    38 Seychelles 98.4
    39 Norway 98.1
    40 Hungary 98
    40 Grenada 98
    40 Qatar 98
    43 Netherlands 97.7
    44 Luxembourg 97.6
    44 United Arab Emirates 97.6
    44 Finland 97.6
    47 Kazakhstan 97.5
    48 Estonia 97.2
    48 Poland 97.2
    50 Croatia 97
    51 Oman 96.7
    52 Libya 96.6 A
    53 Argentina 96.4
    53 Serbia 96.4
    53 Uruguay 96.4
    56 Barbados 96.2
    57 Malaysia 96
    58 Ukraine 95.9
    58 Montenegro 95.9
    60 Syrian Arab Republic 95.7
    61 Cayman Islands 95.6
    62 Sri Lanka 95.1
    63 Tajikistan 95
    64 Turkey 94.9
    65 Bosnia and Herzegovina 94.8
    66 Egypt 94.7 A
    67 Costa Rica 94.5
    68 Venezuela 94.4
    69 Belarus 94.3
    70 Kyrgyz Republic 93.3
    71 Albania 93.2
    71 Cuba 93.2
    73 Mauritius 93.1
    74 Thailand 93
    75 Lithuania 92.4
    76 The Bahamas 92
    77 Tunisia 91.6 A
    78 Samoa 91.5
    78 Trinidad and Tobago 91.5
    80 Antigua and Barbuda 91.4
    81 Fiji 91.1
    82 Tonga 91
    83 Macedonia 90.9
    84 St. Lucia 90.5
    84 Ireland 90.5
    84 Belize 90.5
    87 Iran 90
    88 Armenia 89.5
    89 Azerbaijan 89.3
    90 Paraguay 88.6
    91 Latvia 87.8
    92 Algeria 87.6 A
    93 St. Kitts and Nevis 87.3
    94 Georgia 86.3
    95 Bulgaria 86
    96 Iraq 85.6
    97 Mexico 85.2
    98 Ecuador 84.7
    99 Dominican Republic 84
    100 Guyana 83.7
    101 Tuvalu 83.3
    102 Brazil 82.8
    103 Honduras 82.6
    104 Dem. People's Rep. Korea 81.9
    105 Jamaica 81.8
    106 Colombia 81.1
    106 Dominica 81.1
    108 Lebanon 80.7
    109 Myanmar 79.6
    110 Suriname 79.2
    111 Romania 79.1
    112 Vietnam 78
    113 Morocco 76.7
    114 China 76.5
    115 Moldova 76.4
    116 Peru 76.2
    117 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 76.1
    118 El Salvador 75
    118 Panama 75
    120 Equatorial Guinea 74.5 A
    121 Philippines 73.9
    122 Russia 72.2
    122 Cabo Verde 72.2 A
    124 Lao PDR 70.9
    125 Nicaragua 67.9
    126 South Africa 66.4 A
    127 Guatemala 63.9
    128 Pakistan 63.5
    129 Botswana 63.4 A
    130 Turkmenistan 62.7
    131 Rwanda 61.6 A
    132 Indonesia 60.8
    133 Bangladesh 60.6
    134 Mongolia 59.7
    135 The Gambia 58.9 A
    136 Vanuatu 57.9
    137 Swaziland 57.5
    138 Yemen 53.3
    139 Angola 51.6 A
    140 Bhutan 50.4
    141 Bolivia 50.3
    142 Burundi 48 A
    143 Senegal 47.6 A
    144 Djibouti 47.4
    145 Nepal 45.8
    145 Cameroon 45.8 A
    147 Zambia 43.9 A
    148 Cambodia 42.4
    149 Gabon 41.9 A
    150 Malawi 41 A
    151 Timor-Leste 40.6
    152 Mauritania 40 A
    153 Kiribati 39.7
    154 India 39.6
    155 Zimbabwe 36.8 A
    156 Comoros 35.8
    157 São Tomé and Principe 34.7 A
    158 Namibia 34.4 A
    159 Afghanistan 31.9
    160 Lesotho 30.3 A
    161 Kenya 30.1 A
    162 Solomon Islands 29.8
    163 Nigeria 29 A
    164 Dem. Rep. Congo 28.7 A
    165 Ethiopia 28 A
    166 Haiti 27.6
    167 Mali 24.7 A
    168 Sudan 23.6 A
    169 Somalia 23.5 A
    170 Côte d'Ivoire 22.5 A
    171 Central African Republic 21.8 A
    172 Guinea-Bissau 20.8 A
    173 Mozambique 20.5 A
    174 Guinea 20.1 A
    175 Benin 19.7 A
    175 Burkina Faso 19.7 A
    177 Uganda 19.1 A
    178 Papua New Guinea 18.9
    179 Liberia 16.9 A
    180 Eritrea 15.7 A
    181 Tanzania 15.6 A
    182 Congo 15 A
    183 Ghana 14.9 A
    184 Sierra Leone 13.3 A
    185 Chad 12.1 A
    186 Madagascar 12 A
    187 Togo 11.6 A
    188 Niger 10.9 A

    Niger, please

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  135. @Dave Pinsen

    Shapiro’s #2 of course depends upon, in part, upon the number of people admitted from a particular country: thus the millions of Turks in Germany tend to be over-represented among disability spongers, while the handful of Turks in America tend to be more like the late Ahmet Ertegun, the son of the Turkish ambassador to Washington who became a famous music producer.
     
    Or Mehmet Oz, the friend of Oprah/ heart surgeon/talk show host.

    Really, the visa lottery and chain migration make much more sense when you're dealing with higher quality countries, because the odds are higher that the nth Norwegian lottery winner or relative of a current resident will be a high potential immigrant than the nth Haitian will be. And Norway has more high potential people to spare than Haiti does.

    So, if someone tells Trump about the Human Development Index, he can offer to keep the visa lottery and chain migration, but only for countries ranked higher than the U.S., since immigrants from those countries will be more likely to improve our ranking.

    Not everyone wants to end it, however. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.
     
    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    Why does the Congressional Black Caucus want more African immigrants that will compete with African Americans for Affirmative Action slots at elite colleges, diversity jobs, etc.?

    UMMmm… That would be because all members of the “Congressional Black Caucus” – whatever the hell that might be – I’m British – are… umm… Black. You see – To a Black, any Black of any shade from any background is better than any White.

    It’s about race, stupid. And that’s how they like it.

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  136. @James Speaks
    Haiti is not a shithole; Haiti is a hellhole.

    A shithole country is merely crappy; A hellhole is evil.

    Shitty hellhole ?

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  137. Thomas says:
    @Paid Concern Troll
    I too am concerned.

    Ann Coulter, bless her, tracks the number of miles of wall built daily on Twitter (zero so far). The number of illegals deported last year under Trump is, at best, a push with Obama. The illegal administrative amnesty Trump said he’d rescind “on day one” he’s effectively communicated he doesn’t have the stomach to actually kill, is the subject of legislative negotiations in which he doesn’t seem to be taking the initiative (as he hasn’t on any other legislative work), has provided yet another opportunity to derail momentum by putting his foot in his mouth and acting as if his political enemies are best buds he can josh around with using salty talk they won’t leak. So yeah, I’m concerned. I want to see progress on the issues he campaigned on, that no President might ever get another chance after this to act on, rather than him acting like some senile boob with the attention span, discipline and discretion of a toddler.

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    Doooooooooooooommmmmmmmm
    , @anon
    It is much more than numbers; a lot depends on atmospherics too. Making non-whites feel unwelcome and not considered part of America is a good soft power tactic to keeping them away. e.g. recently, he asked a "Pretty Korean lady" where she is from; The liberal crowd is all shocked that Koreans can't be considered as real Americans.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-history-breaking-decorum-remarks-race-ethnicity-n837181
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  138. Juvenal says: • Website

    Ironic that Trump got elected because the media’s **** never stuck to him, and now they are literally trying to drown him in a ****hole. Our golden-stream media wallows in **** like so many of Orwell’s pigs.

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  139. @anon
    OT: At my son's high school in Seattle all students were shown this video on Wednesday as part of MLK day teaching. It's a rap by someone named Joyner Lucas depicting a caricature of a Trump white guy spewing hate and swearing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43gm3CJePn0

    Look at this video. It was shown to high school kids ages 14-18, in class. It's supposed to indoctrinate them in how evil white males are, and how heroic blacks are in their suffering. It's what the schools do instead of teaching rational debate. This is the new normal in Seattle. Help!

    I couldn’t get past the first minute. Utter trash, even if it could generate some interesting discussions. I recommend you get your kid out of there pronto. Homeschooling is getting easier and better all the time. No f-words or racial garbage necessary. Raise a conscientious and moral young man, not just another potty-mouthed, confused angry liberal.

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  140. @anon
    latrine like Washington

    Sadly, I have seen too many places in U.S. that can be described as latrines.

    In my dear Portland, OR, one can see tons of white people living in their own waste right in center city.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/27/columbia-sportswear-may-close-downtown-portland-office-over-threats-public-defecation-by-homeless-people.html

    Seattle: https://www.seattletimes.com/category/seattles-homeless-crisis/

    Portland, OR, one can see tons of white people living in their own waste right in center city.

    1. Provided links do not show any waste.
    2. Portland has a 1st world water and sewage system.
    3. In America, even the homeless and destitute have access to flush toilets and sinks.

    Meanwhile, in India…
    Indian city sends costumed MASCOTS on patrol to fine people they catch defacating in the street

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  141. @istevefan

    1. Some countries suck.
    2. That does not mean the people seeking to immigrate from those countries do. Often, it’s precisely the opposite.
     
    In other words Ben supports taking the better people from the countries that suck. But if we do continue to take the best and brightest from the countries that suck, how will they ever develop to where they no longer suck?

    This is another form of resource extraction, which means it's just modern day colonialism.

    Ask Ben if the same logic applies to Africans in Israel.

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  142. Dmitry says:
    @Olyphant
    And another thing that struck me reading the reasoned comment of Ben Shapiro, is the bitter split on this issue with the American Jewish activist community, especially the snakes known as the NeverTrump neocon crowd. Like Shapiro, I was raised Jewish, went to Israel on Birthright, studied my people's history in depth at Day School. And being both Jewish and patriotic American, I came to conclusions similar to Ben's here. But some in the community, especially the hard core neocons and Israel-Firsters, come to a very different conclusion which makes them support mass shithole country immigration to America for cynical reasons.

    Think about this for a moment. Why would seemingly conservative neocon Jews like Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, Robert Kagan and their Commentary pals who are totally in favor of a strong military and Israel building a big wall- then turn around and become supporters of mass immigration and open borders for the USA? On my Birthright trip I met some of these nominally conservative, but NeverTrumper Israeli-Firster types, and their reasoning for supporting mass immigration for the USA and Canada is just.. sinister.

    To them, the USA is actually the greatest existential threat to Israel, that's the case for North America in general. Despite all the billions in aid the US gives to Israel and the way the US sticks it's neck out for them like no other nation, to this vocal minority faction, the US and Canada are 'demographic prisons' for millions of potential Jewish immigrants who are desperately needed to counterbalance the Arab/Palestinian population, which last year surpassed the Israeli Jewish population of the region to become the majority. To this faction, American Jews are too comfortable, too assimilated, and in danger of complete assimilation in which they'd lose their Jewish identity. This neocon faction shills for mass immigration from shithole countries like Haiti, El Salvador and Somalia because they WANT to destabilize the US and Canada.

    In the eyes of the Israeli-firster types who brought us the war in Iraq, the shithole-izeing of North America by mass immigration from shithole countries will make the US and Canada far less attractive for American Jews, who, they believe, will choose to go to Israel.(Except they won't, given the hleptocracy shithole theocracy Israel has become under Netanyahu). This is why the Israeli-firster neocons all jumped on with the NeverTrump bandwagon. For them, mass immigration to the US from the shithole countries is exactly the goal, because if they can make the USA messy and undesirable then the US might not demographically "imprison" American and Canadian Jews who are needed more urgently in Israel. It's sickening to hear these thoughts from people who claim to be Americans, but are willing to push for a policy so damaging to the US very survival and identity. But Rubin, Kagan and the other neocons just won't shut up about it. In start contrast to patriots like Shapiro and Miller, these neocons are playing a dangerous game to subtly but broadly damage the US, in a bid to make us less attractive for our own students and for the Jewish-American population in particular, which will feel more of a push to make aliyah to Israel. It's wicked, even treasonous since the USA will never fully recover from the damage. But at least there are the Ben Shaprios and Stephen Millers to call out this faction of anti-American, NeverTrump neocons and their plans.

    To them, the USA is actually the greatest existential threat to Israel, that’s the case for North America in general.

    This conspiracy theory about all American Jews immigrating to Israel is one of the more unusual and amusing.

    Israel is overcrowded, with a very highbirth rate and housing crisis. Demographers predict the population will be 20 million by 2065 – making it one of the most densely populated places in the world.

    As for the motivations of people like Kristol – he shows little real interest in Israel – did not even speak Hebrew.

    These people are very transparent by the way. They support immigration, because internationalism is a core part of their identity and what separates them from hoi polloi Republican voters.

    They imagine themselves as sophisticated, cosmopolitans – and the immigrants they meet in their work life are also bright, educated people from around the world; rather than MS-13 gang-members.

    This internationalism (and sentimental story about immigrants discovering liberty in new world), is part of their core-identity and interpretation of America, and is also related to their Jewish identity, as they were grand-children of such immigrants. They’ll never lose these views because it is not contingent on being practical or having any practical results.

    They see America as a historically exceptional, magical country – which is why they feel affronted and like crushing all enemies, when others do not recognize this fact (including even civilized countries like Russia).

    Another important point for them is that they define their identity as being anti-racists and this is one way they are able to express it.

    Kristol’s whole persona is: ‘despite being militarist Republicans, we are not rednecks – we are internationalists and can read a few words in Ancient Greek’.

    I sympathize with them a little as I am myself a person with internationalist leanings. The strong difference in my view is belief that countries should be very careful in who they do and don’t allow in (not all immigrants are equal).

    are desperately needed to counterbalance the Arab/Palestinian population, which last year surpassed the Israeli Jewish population of the region to become the majority.

    As of this year, Jewish women in Israel have higher total fertility rate than Arab women. Even the fertility rates amongst the secular population are rising each year.

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    " They define their identy as being anti-racists"

    Yes and no, as amongst themselves they use the expression "Schwarze" quite freely, and there is a sort of superiority/ inferiority ring to this term when applied to situations and conditions.
    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.
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  143. @gp
    If there was a county in West Virginia that had <60% literacy (like Haiti) you can be sure that Seth Meyers, Don Lemon, A Cooper, and all the other pearl-clutchers would not hesitate to call it a sh!thole. Because it's always OK to say stupid white Americans live in backward conditions, and never OK to negatively characterize anybody else.

    Seth Meyers … would not hesitate to call it a sh!thole

    LOL. Like they don’t already.

    SNL: Appalachian Emergency Room: Christmastime

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  144. @Anonymous

    No European country has a fertility rate above replacement level
     
    Why the endless clutching of pearls over this? Why would a Europe with 800 million people be so much worse than one with 900 million? I think it would be better.

    Same goes for every other continent.

    I think it would be better.

    Then you do not understand how demographic declines work and how they interact with economics and other social factors.

    Populations age as they shrink, inverting the normal population pyramid. There are fewer young people to support the elderly. The fertile cohort—the people who are of the correct age to actually bear children—shrinks relative to the overall population. You get three generations of continued numerical population increase due to demographic momentum (i.e. older, larger generations malingering and refusing to die), but once that 70 years or so is over, you find yourself in a condition such that the average woman would have to have between 4-5 children apiece survive to adulthood merely to stabilize the population at the current level.

    And that is impossible to achieve considering that those younger people are also bearing the burden of the aged, who neither produce as much as they once did nor have any savings to spend or invest. The economy overall produces less; wealth and standards of living decline, exacerbating the demographic difficulties and leading to a downward spiral of increasing poverty and population collapse.

    Once a demographic decline sets in, it is practically impossible to reverse. The population keeps falling and falling until it stabilizes at an agricultural level of subsistence, with a concomitant loss of higher orders of civilization.

    The entire world is already in this condition. Even taking into consideration “the scariest graph in the world,” the global number of 0-5 year-olds is expected to level off within the next few decades, portending an inevitable decrease in the human population before the middle of the next century. And that is not even taking wars and other disasters into effect, nor is it controlling for the quality of the humans who actually still breed.

    A good source for information on this is the Econimica blog, particularly this post, which ought to be required reading for everyone here.

    https://econimica.blogspot.com/2016/06/why-this-time-is-completely-utterly.html

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  145. Dmitry says:
    @The Alarmist

    "While emigrants from countries which don’t suck, can perhaps more often be oddballs and failures in their country of origin, which is why they are motivated to leave their paradises (e.g. the strange American expats living in Russia)."
     
    Aside from the occasional Yank teaching English or retired military folks, I don't see many "oddball" Americans living abroad. The few American professionals I see living abroad tend to live better abroad than they would on a comparable package in the US, even with the higher tax rates in some countries.

    The executives who are being sent abroad with their multi-national companies, sure. I mean those who voluntarily prefer to live with a lower quality of life, in countries with a lower quality of life – usually taking a local wife. Maybe the most famous American example is Lee Harvey Oswald.

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    They probably would have had a lower standard of living in the good ol' USA.
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  146. @Altai
    Shithole is a such an ugly term, why didn't Trump say 'loser country'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kSj-8qqy_g&t=2m37s

    Shithole is a such an ugly term

    The term wasn’t just made up…

    You Probably Don’t Want To Know About Haiti’s Sewage Problems
    …Port-au-Prince, Haiti, is one of the largest cities in the world without a central sewage system. There are no sewers connecting sinks, showers and toilets to hulking wastewater treatment plants. Most of the more than 3 million people in the metro area use outhouses

    Haiti’s ‘Bayakou’: Hauling Away Human Excrement By Hand

    Video: Dirty job shows why cholera still kills in Haiti
    …They squeeze into a cramped outhouse with a reeking pit to scoop buckets of human excrement with their bare hands.
    It’s just another night’s work for this four-man team of “bayakou”

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  147. So what is the right term for a country lacking sewer systems, where people do not even understand how to construct an outhouse? When the majority of a country dig a hole to poop into, that is correctly referred to as a poop hole country.

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  148. @Thomas
    Trying to attract Norwegians (or really any other Scandinavians) to immigrate to the U.S. is like pushing water up a hill. The only ones you're going to get are probably here for a job or very rich people who find Norway insufficiently oligarchic. I wouldn't say that would be Norway sending their best either.

    I don’t think the U.S could attract Norwegians but they could probably get more Brits and Central/Southern Europeans if immigration policies were changed somewhat. Youth unemployment is really high in Spain, Greece, Portugal. And Britain seems overcrowded and expensive. I know a suspicious number of high school classmates (7) married to Slovakians/Serbians who arrived here as temporary summer workers, so it seems they are probably desperate for green cards.

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  149. @Thomas
    Ann Coulter, bless her, tracks the number of miles of wall built daily on Twitter (zero so far). The number of illegals deported last year under Trump is, at best, a push with Obama. The illegal administrative amnesty Trump said he’d rescind “on day one” he’s effectively communicated he doesn’t have the stomach to actually kill, is the subject of legislative negotiations in which he doesn’t seem to be taking the initiative (as he hasn’t on any other legislative work), has provided yet another opportunity to derail momentum by putting his foot in his mouth and acting as if his political enemies are best buds he can josh around with using salty talk they won’t leak. So yeah, I’m concerned. I want to see progress on the issues he campaigned on, that no President might ever get another chance after this to act on, rather than him acting like some senile boob with the attention span, discipline and discretion of a toddler.

    Doooooooooooooommmmmmmmm

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  150. TWS says:
    @eD
    There is kind of a case for the globalist argument here, if you look for it.

    In all four of the Central American and Caribbean countries Steve cited in his post, the United States repeatedly interfered in their internal politics, almost always to prop up corrupt oligarchies. This goes back to before the Civil War in one case and involved occupation by American troops in another case. For most of their histories as "independent" countries, all four have been U.S. protectorates.

    And it is common for people from current and former colonials to migrate to the home territories of the colonial powers.

    The U.S. government didn't cause the earthquakes and hurricanes, of course, but it played a pretty big role in ensuring these countries couldn't deal with earthquakes and hurricanes (of course it appears the U.S. government itself doesn't handle hurricanes very well either).

    However, this is more of an argument against the imperialistic policies that produced this situation than an argument for immigration to the US from these countries. I find that globalists tend to be very thinly disguised 19th century imperialists. And the American people were not consulted and were often kept in the dark of what U.S. diplomats, marines, and businessmen were up to in these places and would bear the brunt of any problems caused by immigration from these places.

    A hundred years ago just like today you didn’t want shitholes stinking up the neighborhood. So sometimes you went in and made them clean up their house and use the facilities instead of pooping in the street.

    Now we realize shitholes will always be shitholes unless somebody stands over them with a stick to make sure they don’t mess them up again. Since making someone clean up their mess is racist and we’re stuck with every variety of reflexive libertarian, isolationist, and anti colonial sperg we’re stuck with shitholes in the neighborhood.

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  151. TWS says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    I can’t carry a gun to prevent some vibrant from raping me, I’m too stubborn to blow a whistle for an hour or two to get the police to come and lecture me about how getting raped by a vibrant is my fault, I don’t want to share my home at knife point with a, ‘thirteen’ year old vibrant who has a beard, gray hair, and a twelve year old son back home in bumfuckistan, and I’m too old to wear the anti-rape belt Oslo girls have to wear to walk to school. Other than that I’d emigrate to Norway in a heartbeat.

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  152. Redman says:
    @Yan Shen
    The fact of the matter is, it doesn't really matter what Trump was talking about. Supposedly the context for his comment about immigrants from Haiti and other shithole countries in Africa was an argument for immigration reform, but since he managed to piss everyone off, much of that is moot at this point. People don't like assholes and when you manage to get people angry and riled up, you shouldn't expect them to listen to anything else you might have to say regardless of how valid your points might be.

    The problem with Trump isn't that his policies are bad. It's that he's oftentimes an asshole who says whatever he's thinking without any regard for diplomacy or tact. To me this kind of personality or temperament isn't that of an effective leader. As I said earlier, an effective leader is someone who can inspire and convince the masses that his policy positions are what's best for the country and for all of us as Americans. In order to make real progress you have to unite, not divide. Alas, many commenters here will no doubt applaud and support Trump's no holds barred, shoot from the mouth brand of politics without realizing that his hurts them in the long run. It might feel good to stick it to the PC left by calling a spade a spade, but I suspect it's not the most productive course of action to take.

    There's a time and place to stand up against political correctness, but there's also a time and place for diplomacy and tact and basic decency. A cunning politician should be able to play the game well and manipulate others towards his own ends. Sadly it's hard to describe Trump as anything more than bumbling oftentimes.

    Instead of the uninspiring politicians this country forces us to choose among, America would benefit tremendously from a consummate Confucian statesman like Lee Kuan Yew, someone who dispensed true wisdom and common sense. It's hard to imagine someone like Lee Kuan Yew feuding with the likes of Rosie O'Donnell or Megyn Kelly over Twitter. But alas this is uh what you get when you elect former TV stars...

    Who is this great “uniter” out there you imagine? Or for that matter in history do you have an example? Because my view is that the concept of the great uniting leader is a false platitude thrown around a lot. Another view is that a great leader is one who makes his enemy eat shit but not want to assasinate him at a later date. By this standard, Lincoln succeeded only on the first part.

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  153. TWS says:
    @Daniel H
    >>Interesting, I guess white south Africans are better fit for America than Israelis.

    Of course they are, and you know it. White South Africans would arrive here with a sense of relief and gratitude, Israelis will arrive here with a sense of entitlement, grudge and resentment. Have you met many Israelis? Do you know many?

    One. I met her fifty years ago. My mom’s roommate in college a very pretty lady. Sadly I can’t remember her name. I don’t think one is a very representative sample. On the other hand I’m certain Shapiro has met many Israelis and regards them as the ne plus ultra of possible hyphenated Americans.

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  154. TWS says:
    @Bill jones
    I have never seen a rationale as to why the US needs any immigration at all.
    The case for forcible emigration of some is undeniable.

    Finally someone who gets it. Zero immigration and every damn illegal has to go back.

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  155. TWS says:
    @syonredux

    So if we took them all we’d get what a few thousand? What would we do year two?
     
    Stop taking in immigrants. A 50 year moratorium sounds great.

    I’ll drink to that.

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  156. TWS says:
    @El Dato
    Moby interview shows that Whitey can have IQ hovering at about 80: 'CIA friends' asked Moby to spread word of Trump-Russia collusion on social media

    The musician said he did not know for sure whether there was collusion between Trump and Russia, but added “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”

    Moby went on to make some ominous predictions about Trump, saying things are “going to get quite a lot darker.”

    “Like the depth of the Trump family and business, their involvement with organized crime sponsors of terrorism, Russian oligarchs – like it’s really, really dark.”

    However, Moby said he is hopeful that his “friend and neighbor,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-California), will win in 2018 and take over as head of the House Judiciary Committee.

    “That is when things start to get really serious,” Moby said, referring to the Russia probe led by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    Moby also said he is grateful for Trump’s incompetence.

    “Like, just imagine how much more dangerous he’d be if he was intelligent and had emotional impulse control,” Moby said. “I’m really grateful that if we’re going to have a tyrant at least let him be stupid and incompetent.”

    Moby said his “dream” president would be former First Lady Michelle Obama, but accepted it’s “never going to happen.” In lieu of another Obama, Moby said he would like to see either Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) or Senator Kamala Harris (D-California) as the next commander in chief.
     

    And they say too much weed has no long term effects.

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  157. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    Ann Coulter, bless her, tracks the number of miles of wall built daily on Twitter (zero so far). The number of illegals deported last year under Trump is, at best, a push with Obama. The illegal administrative amnesty Trump said he’d rescind “on day one” he’s effectively communicated he doesn’t have the stomach to actually kill, is the subject of legislative negotiations in which he doesn’t seem to be taking the initiative (as he hasn’t on any other legislative work), has provided yet another opportunity to derail momentum by putting his foot in his mouth and acting as if his political enemies are best buds he can josh around with using salty talk they won’t leak. So yeah, I’m concerned. I want to see progress on the issues he campaigned on, that no President might ever get another chance after this to act on, rather than him acting like some senile boob with the attention span, discipline and discretion of a toddler.

    It is much more than numbers; a lot depends on atmospherics too. Making non-whites feel unwelcome and not considered part of America is a good soft power tactic to keeping them away. e.g. recently, he asked a “Pretty Korean lady” where she is from; The liberal crowd is all shocked that Koreans can’t be considered as real Americans.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-history-breaking-decorum-remarks-race-ethnicity-n837181

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  158. Romanian says: • Website
    @Yan Shen
    The fact of the matter is, it doesn't really matter what Trump was talking about. Supposedly the context for his comment about immigrants from Haiti and other shithole countries in Africa was an argument for immigration reform, but since he managed to piss everyone off, much of that is moot at this point. People don't like assholes and when you manage to get people angry and riled up, you shouldn't expect them to listen to anything else you might have to say regardless of how valid your points might be.

    The problem with Trump isn't that his policies are bad. It's that he's oftentimes an asshole who says whatever he's thinking without any regard for diplomacy or tact. To me this kind of personality or temperament isn't that of an effective leader. As I said earlier, an effective leader is someone who can inspire and convince the masses that his policy positions are what's best for the country and for all of us as Americans. In order to make real progress you have to unite, not divide. Alas, many commenters here will no doubt applaud and support Trump's no holds barred, shoot from the mouth brand of politics without realizing that his hurts them in the long run. It might feel good to stick it to the PC left by calling a spade a spade, but I suspect it's not the most productive course of action to take.

    There's a time and place to stand up against political correctness, but there's also a time and place for diplomacy and tact and basic decency. A cunning politician should be able to play the game well and manipulate others towards his own ends. Sadly it's hard to describe Trump as anything more than bumbling oftentimes.

    Instead of the uninspiring politicians this country forces us to choose among, America would benefit tremendously from a consummate Confucian statesman like Lee Kuan Yew, someone who dispensed true wisdom and common sense. It's hard to imagine someone like Lee Kuan Yew feuding with the likes of Rosie O'Donnell or Megyn Kelly over Twitter. But alas this is uh what you get when you elect former TV stars...

    But that is the point! You do not get the kind of politician you want, you get the kind that the system molds unintentionally through simple selection. Trump, aside from his luck, had the appropriate qualities that made him resistant to the usual tactics used against challengers – the issue with donors and money, the issue with media coverage, the issue with personal attacks and attacks on his social status, livelihood and business interests. People like Pat Buchanan and others I do not know of inevitably folded at one point or another of their drive to influence the agenda and policies of their nation… Trump is the one who made it. The system created the politician Trump. You could no more have a Lee Kuan Yew in the US today than you could a Trump in China.

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    Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

    Every nation gets the government it deserves - Joseph de Maistre, French Philosopher (1753 - 1821).

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  160. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’m waiting for people who reside in crapola countries to be so offended by Trump that they insist on improving their country!"

    Kind of difficult in light of the past invade the world, invite the world crowd known as European imperialists, which enjoyed playing cops and robbers.

    From Newsweek, 2010...

    "Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island and the same basic climate and geography. Why is Haiti considerably poorer?

    Haiti won its independence after a long revolution that destroyed a lot of the country. They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt. More recently, both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were occupied by the United States, but Haiti was occupied for much longer. By the time the U.S. pulled out in 1934, Haiti's own institutions had atrophied.

    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois "Papa Doc" and his son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc," who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti's current conditions?

    The Duvaliers left Haiti economically decimated. A large number of educated professionals left the country during the Duvalier regimes, and the period that followed was so unstable, it was hard to lay down roots and build infrastructure. International investment was limited because it was an unreliable business environment. "

    They were then required to pay a large indemnity to France or else many countries—including the United States—refused to acknowledge Haiti for fear that it would encourage an American slave revolt.

    Would you do me a favor and look up whether or not they actually paid this?

    Because if, just hypothetically, they never did, then it’s a little hard to see how it impoverished them.

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  161. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Shithole is a such an ugly term, why didn't Trump say 'loser country'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kSj-8qqy_g&t=2m37s

    I think we should call them “the country that did not win”.

    Sorry I can’t find the clip from the mini golf episode.

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  162. epebble says:
    @Romanian
    But that is the point! You do not get the kind of politician you want, you get the kind that the system molds unintentionally through simple selection. Trump, aside from his luck, had the appropriate qualities that made him resistant to the usual tactics used against challengers - the issue with donors and money, the issue with media coverage, the issue with personal attacks and attacks on his social status, livelihood and business interests. People like Pat Buchanan and others I do not know of inevitably folded at one point or another of their drive to influence the agenda and policies of their nation... Trump is the one who made it. The system created the politician Trump. You could no more have a Lee Kuan Yew in the US today than you could a Trump in China.

    Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.

    Every nation gets the government it deserves – Joseph de Maistre, French Philosopher (1753 – 1821).

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  163. Sean says:

    Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.

    How benefit? Paul Collier makes clear that is very far from the truth, ad once there is a diaspora it lowers the cost of immigration and draws on the homeland in a ever accelerating process. Those allowed to immigrate to the US receive a massive gift. In African countries only the educated and affluent are going to be able to apply for a lottery green card. The more who leave the more the ones who stay are demoralized. The accelerating immigration to the West will cause the immigrants homeland to spiral down into a shithole. So the ones left behind (the poor of that country) descending into the abyss are the ones to feel sorry for, not those bailing out.

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    So the ones left behind (the poor of that country) descending into the abyss are the ones to feel sorry for, not those bailing out.
     
    Don't give our virtue-signaling open borders RINOs any ideas.
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  164. Daniel H says:
    @Kirt
    The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons. This is not an argument for them automatically being allowed to stay once the war is over with and more or less normal conditions restored, but it's time to drop the pretense that the US bears no responsibility for shitty conditions in other countries. There are too many examples to the contrary, including Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mexico and Columbia (US drug policy), Syria, Palestine, Somalia and now more and more countries across Africa.

    As far as "The real question is whether American citizens should be self-ruling when it comes to immigration policy", does this include American citizens who are pro-immigrant or only those who are relentlessly anti-immigrant?

    >>>The Salvadorans who fled to the US during the civil war there, were not fleeing a natural disaster but a manmade massacre largely imposed on their country by a savage US-trained military equipped with billions of dollars worth of US weapons.

    Yeah, and as soon as the Salvadoran civil war was over, and free elections were held, who did these persecuted, savaged and oppressed Salvadorans vote for President? Roberto D’Aubisson, described as a right-wing psychopathic killer by the then US ambassador.

    Face it, at least half of these Salvadoran “refugees” were supporters of a the right-wing, “Kill them all, God will know his own.” Roberto D’Aubisson.

    You have a naive idea of Salvadorans and Central American in general. A good proportion of them are stone-cold killers, yet fools like you are duped into thinking they are all simple, innocent peasants fleeing the violent culture. Many of the ARE the violent culture and they have brought it here.

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  165. 3g4me says:
    @Olyphant
    And another thing that struck me reading the reasoned comment of Ben Shapiro, is the bitter split on this issue with the American Jewish activist community, especially the snakes known as the NeverTrump neocon crowd. Like Shapiro, I was raised Jewish, went to Israel on Birthright, studied my people's history in depth at Day School. And being both Jewish and patriotic American, I came to conclusions similar to Ben's here. But some in the community, especially the hard core neocons and Israel-Firsters, come to a very different conclusion which makes them support mass shithole country immigration to America for cynical reasons.

    Think about this for a moment. Why would seemingly conservative neocon Jews like Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, Robert Kagan and their Commentary pals who are totally in favor of a strong military and Israel building a big wall- then turn around and become supporters of mass immigration and open borders for the USA? On my Birthright trip I met some of these nominally conservative, but NeverTrumper Israeli-Firster types, and their reasoning for supporting mass immigration for the USA and Canada is just.. sinister.

    To them, the USA is actually the greatest existential threat to Israel, that's the case for North America in general. Despite all the billions in aid the US gives to Israel and the way the US sticks it's neck out for them like no other nation, to this vocal minority faction, the US and Canada are 'demographic prisons' for millions of potential Jewish immigrants who are desperately needed to counterbalance the Arab/Palestinian population, which last year surpassed the Israeli Jewish population of the region to become the majority. To this faction, American Jews are too comfortable, too assimilated, and in danger of complete assimilation in which they'd lose their Jewish identity. This neocon faction shills for mass immigration from shithole countries like Haiti, El Salvador and Somalia because they WANT to destabilize the US and Canada.

    In the eyes of the Israeli-firster types who brought us the war in Iraq, the shithole-izeing of North America by mass immigration from shithole countries will make the US and Canada far less attractive for American Jews, who, they believe, will choose to go to Israel.(Except they won't, given the hleptocracy shithole theocracy Israel has become under Netanyahu). This is why the Israeli-firster neocons all jumped on with the NeverTrump bandwagon. For them, mass immigration to the US from the shithole countries is exactly the goal, because if they can make the USA messy and undesirable then the US might not demographically "imprison" American and Canadian Jews who are needed more urgently in Israel. It's sickening to hear these thoughts from people who claim to be Americans, but are willing to push for a policy so damaging to the US very survival and identity. But Rubin, Kagan and the other neocons just won't shut up about it. In start contrast to patriots like Shapiro and Miller, these neocons are playing a dangerous game to subtly but broadly damage the US, in a bid to make us less attractive for our own students and for the Jewish-American population in particular, which will feel more of a push to make aliyah to Israel. It's wicked, even treasonous since the USA will never fully recover from the damage. But at least there are the Ben Shaprios and Stephen Millers to call out this faction of anti-American, NeverTrump neocons and their plans.

    @98 Olyphant: ” Like Shapiro, I was raised Jewish, went to Israel on Birthright, studied my people’s history in depth at Day School. And being both Jewish and patriotic American . . . ”

    Something here strikes me as rather oxymoronic (“my people’s history” versus “patriotic American”) but that’s just me being anti-semitic, I suppose.

    “But at least there are the Ben Shaprios and Stephen Millers to call out this faction of anti-American, NeverTrump neocons and their plans.”

    That you feel comfortable conflating the Littlest Chickenhawk with a genuinely patriotic American who happens to be Jewish is amply sufficient evidence to adjudge your entire comment as worthless tripe.

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  166. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Gunner
    Any singer or artist who helped Trump would be instantly blacklisted and savaged by the SJW Media Industrial Complex.

    And between that and the willingness of Hollywood to pour money into projects that will not make a dime can be seen what our mass media really is. There has been a massive drop-off in the authority and credibility of both the news and celebrities, whose real purpose is not to make money but to thought lead, along lines described by Bernays. There’s pink hat wearing dead enders who worry about what Brad Pitt’s wife thinks about something, and we’ll never be completely rid of them. But many, both Trumpeting and apolitical, are less suggestible than they were ten years ago. This is a good thing, it’s panicking our elites, and it’s part of the reason for the recent changes at FaceZuck.

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  167. J.Ross says: • Website
    @CrunchyButRealistCon
    It is painful to watch Ben Shapiro try to massage the narrative to keep anti-Neocon world views from becoming mainstream. Egalitarianism is still sacrosanct to him & only certain countries are allowed to use ethnocentric bias in their immigration criteria. He is on ever thinner ice as the anti-European population replacement agenda of the post 1960 Elite becomes impossible to ignore.
    Whatever lil Ben, just keep peddling your bland bargain Neoconnery & double standards.....

    It is great but nothing will beat the evil Nazis of the alt-right internet hate machine falling in love with Ben’s sister and him yelling at us to knock it off or he’ll find us and beat us up.

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  168. Marty T says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    Language barrier but it’s on my bucket list to visit.

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  169. @Sean

    Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have sought to ensure that immigration could continue in some form from African countries that have benefited from the green card lottery in recent years.
     
    How benefit? Paul Collier makes clear that is very far from the truth, ad once there is a diaspora it lowers the cost of immigration and draws on the homeland in a ever accelerating process. Those allowed to immigrate to the US receive a massive gift. In African countries only the educated and affluent are going to be able to apply for a lottery green card. The more who leave the more the ones who stay are demoralized. The accelerating immigration to the West will cause the immigrants homeland to spiral down into a shithole. So the ones left behind (the poor of that country) descending into the abyss are the ones to feel sorry for, not those bailing out.

    So the ones left behind (the poor of that country) descending into the abyss are the ones to feel sorry for, not those bailing out.

    Don’t give our virtue-signaling open borders RINOs any ideas.

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  170. Realist says:
    @Anonymous
    It's certainly not just Seattle. It goes on everywhere now. That Long March thing.

    That’s what I am saying.

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  171. Democrats/globalists mad at Trump for calling some foreign nations “shithole countries” … while they are working to turn America into a shithole country.

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  172. @Dmitry
    The executives who are being sent abroad with their multi-national companies, sure. I mean those who voluntarily prefer to live with a lower quality of life, in countries with a lower quality of life - usually taking a local wife. Maybe the most famous American example is Lee Harvey Oswald.

    They probably would have had a lower standard of living in the good ol’ USA.

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  173. SMK says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Stephanie Ruhle @SRuhle
    A merit based system? 43% of immigrants from “s-hole” African countries have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 33% of the overall American population.
    There are more Ethiopian trained doctors practicing in Chicago than there are in Ethiopia #heretohelp
     
    1. Why is skimming talented immigrants off the top good?

    America: helping shitholes stay shitholes since 1965.

    2. Talented immigrants with skills are exactly the type to censor the political speech of actual Americans (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ). Polling says that non-whites in America don't support free speech. Does this cut across income and education?

    3. Why is importing a ruling class that hates the legacy population so much better than importing an underclass? All it takes is a fraction of 2% to gum up the works.

    Moreover, if not for the invasion of tens of millions of nonwhite legal and illegal aliens from the Third-World and all their offspring, if European-Americans were still almost 90% of the population, as they were in the mid-1960′s, and the population of the U.S. was roughly the same as it was then, there would be no need to import all these doctors from the Third-World. And there would also be no need for as many lawyers who, generally, do far more harm than good, especially when representing nonwhites who claims that their “civil rights” were violated and/or that they were victims of “racial discrimination.

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  174. Mr. Anon says:
    @Realist
    Norway is a socialist country when the oil runs out they will depend on lutefisk.

    Norway is a socialist country when the oil runs out they will depend on lutefisk.

    And it will still be orders of magnitude better than Haiti.

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    I agree with that.....but that sets the bar rather low.
    My point is Norway has it's problems, one should not be too enamored with Norway, they are a one trick pony.
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  175. Realist says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Norway is a socialist country when the oil runs out they will depend on lutefisk.
     
    And it will still be orders of magnitude better than Haiti.

    I agree with that…..but that sets the bar rather low.
    My point is Norway has it’s problems, one should not be too enamored with Norway, they are a one trick pony.

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    My point is Norway has it’s problems, one should not be too enamored with Norway, they are a one trick pony.
     
    There one real trick is being Norwegians. That gives them a big advantage over most of the world.
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  176. @Dmitry

    To them, the USA is actually the greatest existential threat to Israel, that’s the case for North America in general.
     
    This conspiracy theory about all American Jews immigrating to Israel is one of the more unusual and amusing.

    Israel is overcrowded, with a very highbirth rate and housing crisis. Demographers predict the population will be 20 million by 2065 - making it one of the most densely populated places in the world.

    As for the motivations of people like Kristol - he shows little real interest in Israel - did not even speak Hebrew.

    These people are very transparent by the way. They support immigration, because internationalism is a core part of their identity and what separates them from hoi polloi Republican voters.

    They imagine themselves as sophisticated, cosmopolitans - and the immigrants they meet in their work life are also bright, educated people from around the world; rather than MS-13 gang-members.

    This internationalism (and sentimental story about immigrants discovering liberty in new world), is part of their core-identity and interpretation of America, and is also related to their Jewish identity, as they were grand-children of such immigrants. They'll never lose these views because it is not contingent on being practical or having any practical results.

    They see America as a historically exceptional, magical country - which is why they feel affronted and like crushing all enemies, when others do not recognize this fact (including even civilized countries like Russia).

    Another important point for them is that they define their identity as being anti-racists and this is one way they are able to express it.

    Kristol's whole persona is: 'despite being militarist Republicans, we are not rednecks - we are internationalists and can read a few words in Ancient Greek'.


    ---

    I sympathize with them a little as I am myself a person with internationalist leanings. The strong difference in my view is belief that countries should be very careful in who they do and don't allow in (not all immigrants are equal).


    are desperately needed to counterbalance the Arab/Palestinian population, which last year surpassed the Israeli Jewish population of the region to become the majority.
     
    As of this year, Jewish women in Israel have higher total fertility rate than Arab women. Even the fertility rates amongst the secular population are rising each year.

    ” They define their identy as being anti-racists”

    Yes and no, as amongst themselves they use the expression “Schwarze” quite freely, and there is a sort of superiority/ inferiority ring to this term when applied to situations and conditions.
    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz musician.

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  177. Corvinus says:
    @anon
    How does the legacy of the Duvaliers (Francois “Papa Doc” and his son, Jean-Claude “Baby Doc,” who ruled Haiti from 1957 to 1986) contribute to Haiti’s current conditions?

    Yep. Fascinating how black people always have some kind of excuse for why they can't do anything right, isn't it?

    Can I ask you a serious question? Would there ever be an excuse black people came up with that you wouldn't automatically believe? What would it look like? Can you give me an example of an excuse for black failure that you wouldn't believe?

    “Yep. Fascinating how black people always have some kind of excuse for why they can’t do anything right, isn’t it?”

    It is amazing your ignorance of world history.

    It is [the Africans] who carry the ‘Black man’s burden’. They have not withered away before the white man’s occupation. Indeed…Africa has ultimately absorbed within itself every Caucasian. In hewing out for himself a fixed abode [home] in Africa, the white man has massacred the African. The African has survived, and it is well for the white settlers that he has…

    What the partial occupation of his soil by the white man has failed to do; what the mapping out of European political ‘spheres of influence’ has failed to do; what the Maxim [submachine gun] and the rifle, the slave gang, labour in the bowels of the earth and the lash, have failed to do; what imported measles, smallpox and syphilis have failed to do; whatever the overseas slave trade failed to do, the power of modern capitalistic exploitation, assisted by modern engines of destruction, may yet succeed in accomplishing.

    For from the evils of the latter, scientifically applied and enforced, there is no escape for the African. Its destructive effects are not spasmodic; they are permanent. In its permanence resides its fatal consequences. It kills not the body merely, but the soul. It breaks the spirit. It attacks the African at every turn, from every vantage point, uproots him from the land, invades his family life, destroys his natural pursuits and occupations, claims his whole time, enslaves him in his own home…[W]hen the system [capitalistic imperialism] is forced upon him, the African droops and dies…[T]o kill the soul in a people–this is a crime which transcends physical murder.

    Nor is violent opposition to abuse and injustice henceforth possible for the African in any part of Africa. His chances of effective resistance have been steadily dwindling with the increasing perfectibility in the killing power of modern armanent…Thus the African is really helpless against the material gods of the white man…

    Edward Morel, British journalist in the Belgian Congo, 1903

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  178. Corvinus says:
    @Hunsdon
    How many Haitians are you supporting?

    Go to church and find out.

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  179. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @nigel
    Access to white people is a human right.

    And their money.

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  180. Lagertha says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    What I don't understand is how Trump plans to persuade Norwegians to leave their oil rich ski resort paradise that has the sixth-highest GDP per-capita in the world come and live in some latrine like Washington with its high crime rate and terrible cuisine.

    Perhaps Trump needs to work more in income equality, if he wants to attract this class of blond-haired, blue-eyed immigrant.


    BTW, 14% of Norwegians are immigrants, and it is a mystery why the country is not more attractive to migrants fleeing the US.

    Jesus, you idiot! God, I hate dumb white men (conformists) because they are soooooooo responsible for all of the bad shit right now, because they are not fighters. Dumb (conformist) women were complicit – and I hate them just as much. Dumb white liberal men & women are responsible for the downfall of Western Civilization.

    Scandinavians don’t emigrate anywhere (duh, for eff’s sake) , anymore these years – Norway is 100% better than the USA last 20 years, you totally dumbass, Jonathan Mason. Of course, the millionaires leave all of Scandinavia as soon as they retire – will give you that – maybe you are one of them and feel guilty?

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  181. Lagertha says:
    @oddsbodkins
    "I wish I could get New Zealand citizenship, sigh."

    Sorry man, but your country is a shithole and it needs you to stay home and work on it.

    well, lucky for me, I have land. Land, like Scarlett learned, is the only thing worth living for.

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  182. Mr. Anon says:
    @Realist
    I agree with that.....but that sets the bar rather low.
    My point is Norway has it's problems, one should not be too enamored with Norway, they are a one trick pony.

    My point is Norway has it’s problems, one should not be too enamored with Norway, they are a one trick pony.

    There one real trick is being Norwegians. That gives them a big advantage over most of the world.

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    Norway is a country of 5 million people living from their nationalized oil wealth. They are totally incapable of defending themselves.
    I am one quarter Norwegian....I am not belittling them....just being realistic. You should try the same.
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  183. Realist says:
    @Mr. Anon

    My point is Norway has it’s problems, one should not be too enamored with Norway, they are a one trick pony.
     
    There one real trick is being Norwegians. That gives them a big advantage over most of the world.

    Norway is a country of 5 million people living from their nationalized oil wealth. They are totally incapable of defending themselves.
    I am one quarter Norwegian….I am not belittling them….just being realistic. You should try the same.

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