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Here’s a pretty obvious question but not one that comes up much in American discourse. In America, many ethnics group have tended to stumble into a certain number of careers in which, whether or not they have above average natural talent, they can build up some expertise and networks of connections.

For example, lots of Cambodians run donut shops. There were no donuts in Cambodia, it’s just, according to the usual story, that in 1975 a Cambodian refugee named Ted Ngoy arrived and got a job at Winchell’s and started the snowball rolling.

There are advantages to going into the donut racket if lots of your relatives are in donuts.

On the other hand, black Americans aren’t allowed to specialize very much outside of fields where they have obvious natural and cultural advantages. In sports, we see African Americans have largely lost interest in baseball, not because they are bad at it but because they’ve specialized in basketball and football.

But blacks aren’t really allowed to specialize in other careers because of the enormous insistence on Diversity.

For example, one thing that has become clear during the Amy Wax go-round has been that the law appears to be a career that is evaluated on such a ruthlessly meritocratic of a combination of IQ and work effort that blacks ought to get some frank advice before assuming they’ll go to law school.

At the highest levels of the law, a winning personality presumably helps. But to get there it’s mostly a very long hard slog of thinking hard about unfun things. The legal profession therefore offers a fair amount of affirmative action at its lower rungs, but affirmative action runs out toward the top: there’s not much affirmative action for making partner.

There’s not, however, a lot of advice for young blacks that maybe law isn’t what they are looking for. (I did find some here from Elie Mystal.) In fact, our society has largely convinced itself that the solution to black people’s problems is for whites to try even harder to lure more blacks into whatever white people career they are in: law, architecture, acting, etc.

In fact, have any social scientists ever honestly studied which careers tend to work out better for blacks of a certain level? For example, say somebody is black, 17, has a 3.5 high school GPA and scored an above average 550 on both the math and verbal parts of the SAT. What are promising careers to consider? What are careers to watch out for?

This would seem like a good question for social scientists to research. The 1979 and 1997 National Longitudinal Studies of Youth might be a starting point for data.

Has anybody ever published on the topic?

 
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  1. OT

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?

    Nancy Pelosi: Trump’s border wall is too high and ‘obnoxious’

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    Interesting article, she said two things of interest to me.

    First, she asked if civilized people needed this sort of thing (a wall)? Well, obviously, I think that you might need a wall to keep the uncivilized people out.

    She also said, in effect, that the wall divides a single community. Really? San Diego and Tijuana are one community? El Paso and Juarez are one community? No, I don’t think so.

    I think it’s better to know details about your opponent, it’s not enough to just think they’re crazy.
    , @Hubbub
    Not so OT as you may think. These are the questions to ask Black aspirants before they enter a trade or university.

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?
    , @Realist
    Doesn't Israel have a 'big' wall????
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Poets of Unz needed.
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  2. I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible. Required no student loans, no serious school time, and no tests. A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA.

    Seriously, a career as a business generalist is not the worst way to go; certainly better that token minority hand-out jobs like diversity officer.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    The average black person thinks the opposite of you. He/she/they/ze think it is always best to have a job that pays well and requires relatively little work, one which is so 'sound' that the poor work of you and others cannot kill it.
    , @Sunbeam
    "I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible."

    I find that kind of strange. Suffice it to say my area has lots of black people, the school I attended has lots, and I've been around them all my life.

    They can't cook. Period. I have no earthly idea why that should be the case, but it appears to be an apparent fact.

    You'll see some pretty insane things with black cuisine. More fatback than you can imagine in the various types of greens. BTW the greens will be overcooked (this is a theme in black cooking).

    Macaroni and cheese - I can see in my mind now how you'll see streams of fat pouring off all the cheese they stick on it (and I like hardcore Mac N' Cheese - but that's a bridge too far).

    All vegetables are uniformly overcooked. This is a rule. If they fry something the inside will be dry. Again it just always works out that way.

    Never had barbecue cooked over an open fire by a black person that was any good.

    And the kicker is in my experience, blacks prefer to go to restaurants run by whites. And Asians (though most often the cooks are Mexicans). God do blacks love Chinese restaurants.

    Really struggling to come up with some field of endeavor they do well. I've seen some really good black bricklayers and masons. Also seen some excellent black truck drivers, being Aces at backing up a rig into a tight crazy spot.

    Never seen a black guy that seemed to be any good at anything agricultural or involving nuts and bolts or working on an engine though.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Doomed to fail in any format other than take out unless clientele is 90 percent non-black. Otherwise, too little tip income and too much dine 'n' dash.
    , @Anonymous
    "A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA."

    I don't think this is actually a bad idea, even now.

    In one of John McWhorter's "race" books (which I think most people here should read, for multiple reasons) he bemoans the fact that, whereas immigrants from multiple cultures have managed to put together restaurant chains selling their ancestral cuisines, black Americans have failed yet again.

    I'm a 40ish white guy. I internally call myself a "race realist". I like "soul food", and would absolutely eat it on a regular basis. I suspect that a lot of other people would do so too, in the right conditions.

    You'd need a restaurant that is, on the one hand, selling food that is clearly "black", while on the other hand not promoting any sort of guilt for white people. You'd also need to curtail black activists from trying to "take a cut" and claiming that a "black" restaurant needs to "give back to the community" by doing whatever the activists demand.

    I think that a conservative and practical minded black guy, without political aspirations, could pull this off, if he has the fortitude to resist the grifters. Go for it.

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  3. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Magic Negro.

    That should be a profession.

    Every institution and industry should hire Magic Negroes to offer some tainment.

    So, law firms don’t need black lawyer. Just a magic negro to provide some fun in the workplace.

    Call the profession ‘Vibrancer’

    Like ‘Lilies of the Field’.

    It worked for Oprah. .

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    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Yes, Oprah. The cult is forming around her. Her followers are mostly liberal Whites, looking for redemption.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    When my ad agency used to go to brainstorming sessions at Procter & Gamble, for a while they had a black guy whose job it was to sit in the meeting and make little sketches of images that the discussion inspired in him. These were not particularly interesting or of any value. It seemed like the most obvious make-work corporate diversity job imaginable, but I suppose P&G can afford to indulge in that. Hey, kudos to us, we got a black guy into the conference room! They were quite obsessed with Diversity.
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  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Now, let us see:

    The requirements are for an inflated opinion of one’s own self worth. Dishonesty and untrustworthiness. Obstreperousness, egotism, throwing tantrums, high pay for little output, sense of entitlement, bullying, chronic idleness, general unpleasantness, lack of IQ, lack of reasoning, lack of conscience etc etc.

    Yep. A job on the editorial board of The Economist magazine fits the bill just fine.

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    Or working for the EU Commission.
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  5. midtown says:

    Government work springs to mind, whether or not that is good for society. And the real question is, Steve, why do you spell doughnut as “donut”? Is that a California thing?

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    And the real question is, Steve, why do you spell doughnut as “donut”? Is that a California thing?
     
    Yeah, totally a California thing. Used nowhere else in the country.

    https://www.dunkindonuts.com/en
    , @Truth
    Dude, only a complete prick spells "donut" like William of Orange would, or Ketchup beginning with "c-a-t-s."
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  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Now, let us see:

    The requirements are for an inflated opinion of one's own self worth. Dishonesty and untrustworthiness. Obstreperousness, egotism, throwing tantrums, high pay for little output, sense of entitlement, bullying, chronic idleness, general unpleasantness, lack of IQ, lack of reasoning, lack of conscience etc etc.

    Yep. A job on the editorial board of The Economist magazine fits the bill just fine.

    Or working for the EU Commission.

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  7. My local FedEx and UPS truck drivers are black guys and they are really quite good — they know how to move, are cheerful, and look like they would be good guys to work with. I worked UPS several centuries ago and had some top-notch black colleagues there.

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    Years ago I had a very nice client who was a retired UPS man. He had over a million dollars to invest.

    He was black.

    I still remember the Jaguar sedan he drove. He had an American V8 engine installed in it.

    Smart man.
    , @Laugh Track

    My local FedEx and UPS truck drivers are black guys and they are really quite good — they know how to move, are cheerful, and look like they would be good guys to work with. I worked UPS several centuries ago and had some top-notch black colleagues there.
     
    Many bus drivers in this city are black men and women and they seem to do well at what has to be one of the most stressful and irritating jobs around. Good spatial sense, it seems to me.

    H.L. Mencken's childhood memoir, Happy Days, relates anecdotes about his childhood in late 19th century Baltimore (an awesome read, BTW). One thing he discusses was black stableboys who seemed to do a great job dealing with and caring for the omnipresent horses of the era. That job is just one casualty of the shift to "horseless carriages".

    One of Howling Wolf 's best blues songs was "Killing Floor", which used the metaphor of meatpacking plants, where Wolf worked at one time, as I recall. Now such jobs are often taken by immigrants, though I have to think that blacks would do as well at them now as they used to before all the immigrants. Probably not as desirable a job, however, as diversity officer. I will grant that.
    , @Anonymous
    It's a universal observation on the railroad that while blacks might be a pain in the ass to be around sometimes, and sometimes are very good at avoiding work, black locomotive engineers tend to be really smooth at train handling.

    They do well as bus and straight truck drivers as well as being a good chunk of the moving van services out there.

    In manufacturing they do well at basic assembly and as machine operators. Few in the old days ever qualified as "all around machinists" and almost zero as true toolmakers. (It used to be said that a first class toolmaker had to have higher IQ and better hands than a heart surgeon.)

    Success with black workforces depends on a certain style of management and discipline. Railroads are big on rules and regulations, enforced with little deviation, consistently, by officials who are college graduates pissed off that the craft railroaders make as much or more than they do, so relatively speaking, blacks who test well enough to get hired on in the first place tend to have good careers.
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  8. ic1000 says:

    Important question, generally undiscussed for obvious reasons. The Watson/Wax/etc. treatment, pour encourager les autres.

    Steve observes that Law celebrates Diversity at the lower rungs, then segues to ruthlessly meritocratic as you approach the top. In my experience, that’s characteristic of many STEM career tracks as well. E.g. it’s hard to run a lab on a succession of NSF or NIH grants.

    Steve’s Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police isn’t terribly concerned about lifetime career satisfaction of its beneficiaries. Kind of like feminists.

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    Careers that urbane whites want are going to be ruthlessly competitive and at best offer token lip service to diversity. The minute Annie Pittford or Abraham Cohen loses out on a spot to Tyrone Washington look out.

    The legal profession overall has a scant number of blacks about 5% overall. Similar percentages for the medical and engineering professions. Even journalism which is has more room to be subjective than the professions I mentioned has very few blacks at the elite level.
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  9. Street corner pharmacist? Anonymous after hours reparations collector? Designer footwear speed tester?

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  10. From the outside looking in:

    1. Clergy.

    2. Entertainment.

    3. Cosmetics.

    In Nigeria of course, we’re all Princes with the occasional Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Historian even (:

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  11. Perhaps one should look to France, Britain, Cuba & mostly black countries like Haiti, Jamaica, ..

    I don’t see there are, outside of sports & entertainment, many career opportunities for blacks.

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  12. Steve,

    You might check out Andrew Hacker, a retired political scientist from Queens College New York.

    In the 1990s he was making the rounds at the invitation of the “diversity” enforcers talking about his research relating to why black technical grads could not get jobs. The one I attended at Central Michigan University was about why white dentists would not hire black dental hygienist graduates even though there was a high demand for them. He’s a lefty, but an older white numbers guy, so maybe something of interest.

    Hacker, A., (1992) Two Nations: Black and White, Separate, Hostile, Unequal, Scribner. ISBN 0-7432-3824-9
    His most recent book, Higher Education? was written in collaboration with Claudia Dreifus, his wife, a New York Times science writer and Columbia University professor. Professor Hacker is a frequent contributor to the New York Review of Books. In his articles he has questioned whether mathematics is necessary, claiming “Making mathematics mandatory prevents us from discovering and developing young talent.”

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  13. Andrew M says:

    I do think teaching is a career well-suited to blacks. They would have better classroom control than white teachers. Raw intellectual ability isn’t particularly important, at least for classes up to age 14 or so.

    The teaching profession as a whole is 82% white (2012 figures), so there’s plenty of scope for more black participation.

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    I've written a lot about this, and a lot of other people have as well.

    And talking about the teaching profession's whiteness as a whole is kind of pointless, since the intellectual standards for elementary school, PE, and special ed are far lower than those for high school academics.

    Elementary school teachers are 10% black, and that increases is you include kindergarten teachers. High school teachers are 8% black, and that's including PE teachers. Put the other way, high school teachers are 85% white; elementary school teachers are 77% white. (your 82% number goes beyond k-12).

    But then, as my article observes, black high school teachers have a career move awaiting them that pays better, gives them more power, *and* practices affirmative action: school administrators. So the high school pool of black teachers bleeds out a lot to principals.
    , @Anonymous
    The Educational Realist blogger, a high school math teacher who blogs, and who sometimes comments here, has written about some problems that black would-be teachers might confront.

    As I remember it, to teach beyond elementary school you need to pass so-called praxis tests, which for some reason have not been watered down. So if you want to teach high school math you've got to pass the math praxis test, and only a small percentage of blacks end up passing it. Also, an ME is almost a requirement for many positions, and although ed schools are notoriously Marxist, there's something that prevents them from graduating boneheads, I think relating to a legal necessity to maintain certain levels of test passing or risk losing certification.

    I think education administration has fewer barriers overall.
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  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students. We had one scholarship after another devoted to blacks. It was sort of embarrassing for them, but they were smart enough to take the money anyway.

    Then one day someone questioned whether it might be doing them a disservice to entice them into a profession with notoriously low pay and long hours. They were as rare as hen’s teeth once I made it out into the “Big Leagues” of famous New York firms. What was common were wealthy white people who didn’t need their paychecks.

    And they were hard-working, mind you. Evenings and weekends year-round. Try and compete with that, coming from a modest background. Not a smart move for a first generation anything.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students.

    Right. Architecture is not a good career for building wealth in time for the next generation.

    Famous, rich architects usually tend to be extremely old. Here in Los Angeles, the most famous architect is Frank Gehry, who will be turning 90 next year.

    , @Henry's Cat
    Black architectural achievement - who can forget the magnificence of the Great Zimbabwe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
    , @Return of Shawn
    According to the BLS, architects make $77,000 a year, while needing a tough bachelor's degree. The work week you describe sounds brutal, though. And the job prospects for architects look poor.
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  15. Nobody has been allowed to ask this question since Booker T. Washington was shut down for asking it.

    For high ability women, nursing seems promising.

    In the larger community, I can’t think of any roles that blacks are prominent in outside of government jobs at all levels, the military, coaching/sports, teaching, hospitals, and police/corrections. They largely leave the menial labor alone now (other than young men doing it temporarily to comply with probation or parole).

    A problem I see is that the lowering of standards has clouded the picture. I know very good black police and corrections officers, but lowering the standards of acceptance has made it so that there is a real corruption problem that impacts the rest of the community. I know some very good black teachers. Same problem. Within the black community, where there may be more acceptance of the risk of corruption, high achieving black men and women do great in the school systems, police, and so on.

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  16. notice says:

    Do what you enjoy: Car detail shops, auto body repair, ethnic resturauntuers, hospitality professionals, fed-ex and UPS (for the bigger, stronger guys), factory supervisors (associates degree in management from a community college), hair stylist/barber shop owners, high school and middle school sports coaching/P.E. teaching for former ballplayers who are already experts at these sports, home repair professionals, plumbing/HVAC/electrical, deck builders, landscaping business owners (know a couple of those), CHEFS (good at cooking, love good food), public relations professionals……..

    That’s right off the top of my head. Construction could be huge for them if they’d dive into it and want to own it.

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  17. unit472 says:

    Law enforcement seems to be an occupational specialty for negroes created by their reciprocal penchant for lawlessness. Look at how many police chiefs are black to say nothing of correctional officers, bailiffs, security guards etc. If negroes excel at football they are even better as ‘defensive’ players where there is less need for strategy and specialized skills. The ability to chase after, capture and subdue a ball carrier are the same qualities needed for law enforcement.

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  18. My guess is that law is a high IQ field in the US because of serious efforts to restrict competition among lawyers by demanding the JD to be a postgraduate degree and by using an unnecessarily tough bar examination.
    In my country, law is a 4-years undergraduate degree on par with business as a popular degree for people looking for decent jobs. It is also among the cheapest college degrees because it doesn’t require labs or other expensive stuff, just professors, classrooms and a library.
    From my experience, having good grades in law school doesn’t necessarily reflect in professional performance. While some cognitive abilities like creativity, memory and logic are needed, the most successful lawyers are people who are very convincing, both in front of the court and in front of their clients. That favours people with strong social skills rather than nerds, teacher pets and bookworms.
    In my class, the best students were girls, but many of them had middling careers and even quit the field due to stress and long hours.
    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.

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    What is your country?
    , @Anonymous
    Females wash out of the legal profession at startlingly high rates in the United States too. Struggling as an associate at a competitive law firm can be more demanding (and unpleasant) than attending and graduating from law school.

    Then their (much lower) career earnings from working in the yoga pants shop or from blogging about their scrapbooking "business" are used by SJWs as further evidence of the gender pay gap.
    , @NickG

    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.
     
    Maybe, but only 2.2% of US blacks will make the 115 IQ threshold - given a black IQ average of 85 with a Standard Deviation of 15.

    This against 16% of whites who will make the 115 IQ cut - given a white IQ average of 100 and a Standard Deviation of 15.

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  19. dearieme says:

    “Has anybody ever published on the topic?” To work on this topic probably requires somebody who wishes ‘em well. But, on the whole, people in those fields aren’t interested in doing good. They just want to flaunt their hearts on their sleeves while behaving as selfish prigs.

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  20. Tulip says:

    What possible good could come of matching a young Black person with above average test scores and grades with a career path that they could enjoy and excel in? It is clear that society has a duty to guide Blacks into a career path that will only lead to their frustration, anger and failure, and resentment, duplicity, and anger for co-workers and management. Only the second path creates a political opportunity to explore “institutional racism” and allows for progressive virtue signalling. If all Blacks took the first path, you wouldn’t even be able to justify federal agencies micromanaging the work place.

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  21. Clyde says:

    Some of the black immigrants can be very good automobile mechanics. I have used one who owns his own repair business and does very well. I would say that 3-4 times in my life Caribbean origin blacks have done repairs on my car. I have no complaints. All spoke w accents so I assume they were all born outside USA. IOW not born of immigrants here.

    American ancestry blacks are not into such repair work and I have no experience w them working on my vehicle.

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  22. JackOH says:

    FWIW-don’t we on this site sometimes, or maybe often, conflate “meritocratic” or “career advancement” or “high income” with “virtue”.

    The example I’m thinking of is the son of a friend of mine, a second generation American. George Washington U., Notre Dame Law. Worked in union-side labor law, then shuffled to employer-side labor law. Was asked to dismantle a pension plan. Barfed up his cookies, I presume, and emigrated from the States to do some U. N.-related thing.

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  23. Viable careers for free darkies:
    1) Lender of Authenticity
    examples include Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben
    2) Token
    examples include Barack Obama
    3) Musician
    examples abound
    4) Afflete
    examples rebound
    5) Corrections Client
    examples include 30% of the “Black Community”
    6) Religious Grifter
    examples include Al Sharpton, “Martin Luther” King and Louis Farrakhan
    7) Corrupt Politician
    examples include Marion Barry, Jesse Jackson Jr and Kwame Kilpatrick

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  24. Thanks Steve for the mention of Ted Ngoy. One of his sons, Kom, was a classmate of mine at Capo Valley. I knew his dad was a donut guy, but didn’t know the history. Ted’s wikipedia page was very interesting. As to the article title, I have never understood why blacks allow Asians of all kinds to own so many of their gas stations, convenience/liquor stores, laundries, etc. I see it in the Detroit Metro areas frequently.

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  25. Hitchcock actress Tippi Hedren famously got the Vietnamese into nail-bars: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32544343

    Eventually, Vietnamese culture interferes: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/modern-slavery-nail-bars-bath-case-jailed-police-staffing-vietnamese-uk-britain-forced-labour-a8137031.html

    Perhaps Hedren should be called Tippi Tip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippu_Tip

    On the subject of American blacks, then looking towards successful black nations might give clues… Bermuda, Bahamas, Barbados etc. Tourism is almost a form of entertainment, which black people are not bad at.

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  26. Jake says:

    I don’t think Steve knows how many affirmative action lawyers there are. Where I live, civil-rights-ambulance-chasers are a dime a dozen, and all major law firms work hard to make certain they have at least 1 black partner and a few black attorneys.

    And when you deal with most of those black lawyers, you realize exactly what you realize when you get to know Black Studies professors: affirmative action makes certain that many blacks who should be suspect intellectually as junior high teachers are made into something far above their abilities.

    Law schools will keep churning out those kind of affirmative action graduates, just like colleges in general.

    As for what blacks should specialize in: as most black males despise even the whiff of actual hard work (unlike Mexicans), they also are not fit to specialize in work areas that they are fit for in terms of intellect.

    I think middle class whites knowing that deep down is the reason whites became so obsessed with not merely promoting blacks in sports including in coaching. I am certain that rich whites love to promote even the least good example, bad sport, morally ‘questionable’ blacks in sports because it is a big middle finger to non-rich whites exclaiming: you are trash, and we delight in pampering blacks.

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  27. Jake says:
    @The Alarmist
    I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible. Required no student loans, no serious school time, and no tests. A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA.

    Seriously, a career as a business generalist is not the worst way to go; certainly better that token minority hand-out jobs like diversity officer.

    The average black person thinks the opposite of you. He/she/they/ze think it is always best to have a job that pays well and requires relatively little work, one which is so ‘sound’ that the poor work of you and others cannot kill it.

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  28. The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

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    Not just school administration, but teaching in general is a reasonably well-paying job which attracts a significant percentage of blacks.
    , @The Z Blog

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example.
     
    This is something you can see in the areas around the Imperial Capital where the political elites are quartered. What you will see in Tucker Carlson's neighborhood or Jonah Goldberg's neighborhood, is Aztec grounds crews and Asian domestics. You never see whites or blacks in these jobs. The reason, I suspect, is the former reminds the managerial types of just how tenuous their position is in America and the latter reminds them of the original sin that has come to define the New Religion of the managerial class. This is a bigger driver of open borders fanaticism than anyone realizes.

    When Hillary Clinton gleefully talked about killing the coal business, she did so believing she was liberating the coal miners. When so-called conservatives gloat about manufacturing jobs going overseas and small towns dying as a result, they think they are helping these people break free of their condition. It's why facts and reason make no impact on them. It's a spiritual issue for them.
    , @Roger Sweeny
    My old girlfriend used to say, "When two Greeks meet, they open a pizza place." She said it was a common saying where she grew up.
    , @Aristippus
    I've never heard about Japanese restaurants being Korean owned, but there are lots that are Chinese owned. I have a Chinese friend whose parents run a sushi joint in Florida and I asked them once why they opened a Japanese restaurant instead of a Chinese restaurant. Their reasoning was that the margins are higher and people will generally spend more money on California rolls and seaweed salad than General Tso's chicken and egg rolls.

    Bricklaying and masonry used to be good careers for blacks in the construction industry. I've heard people say that foreman would hire blacks for those jobs because their "natural rhythm" made them really good workers. Blacks don't seem nearly as interested in construction these days, so it's mostly older white guys doing the skilled trade work and younger Hispanics in the more physically demanding roles. I've heard the industry doesn't know what's going to happen when all of baby boomer tradesmen age out of the workforce.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started.
     
    It's not only getting started---it's over. The whole stupid project is over, don't you see? People always talk about Affirmative Action as if it were the 11th Commandment, etched in stone by the finger of God. It is nothing of the kind. It is a completely transient feature of the times we live in, a product of the American post-war prosperity and the Baby Boomer civil rights obsession. It will not last another 20 years.

    I'm not just picking on Spotted Toad here. A number of people in this thread have mentioned teaching, school administration, and government as potential paths to prosperity for moderately intelligent Blacks. This is extremely dated, unimaginative thinking.

    State and municipal governments all over the land are bankrupt. Public education is a useless monstrosity. Bureaucracy in general, at the present time, is a wealth-sucking, soul-sucking, toxic swamp of corruption and graft. Nobody is going to find sinecures here in the future, especially token Magic Negroes. The whole bureaucratic/educational sector is set for a 75% reduction in staff, and you can bet that the few who remain will be underpaid, overworked, and will have actual results demanded of them of a sort that we haven't seen for three generations.

    The country is broke. We cannot afford any of this anymore. We certainly cannot afford to create positions for Blacks to function as diversity mascots. We cannot continue to bloat the administrative posts of a million city councils, school boards, and commissioner's offices. This will all go away once America has to start dealing with its reality.

    And I find it amazing that the incompetence and SJWism of the bureaucracy is the universal subject of condemnation in any other context, but the moment that Steve asks what kind of jobs would be good for Blacks, all you can do is recommend more of what you yourselves criticize the other 364 days of the year.
    , @Anonymous

    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.
     
    I would have thought that the height of folly would be to open a vegetarian restaurant in the Burger Festival City of Akron, Ohio. Apparently I was right because it went (what-the-owner-doesn't-have-much-of)-up.


    It is with great regret that The VegiTerranean in downtown Akron has closed its doors for the last time.

    This has been a labour of love for me for the last four years. We tried everything we could to keep the restaurant going but unfortunately due to the current economic climate this has not been possible.

    I’d like to thank everybody who helped me try to fulfill my dream. I discovered that vegan cuisine in Ohio has become more appreciated than I imagined. We were even voted among the top 5 vegan restaurants in America by Business Week. Of course my chef Scot Jones is responsible for that, with the help of Tal Ronnen, the man who taught him how to translate his delicious recipes into non meat versions. Last but not least, I’d like to thank our amazing staff, servers and every one of you who dined with us at The VegiTerreanean.

    Your friend, Chrissie Hynde
     
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  29. Danindc says:

    When I lived in Chicago and used to play poker at some of the casinos I noticed some of the black girls were good dealers. Possibly anecdotal but it struck me. Moved quickly, kept game going. Math not a problem etc

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    I think you may be on to something. I’ve noticed an aptitude for card games, dominoes, dice.
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  30. rogue-one says:

    >The legal profession therefore offers a fair amount of affirmative action at its lower rungs, but affirmative action runs out toward the top: there’s not much affirmative action for making partner.

    The black lawyers at lower rungs would organize and ask for diversity quotas for making partner. I am willing to bet that this already happening or will happen in a few years.

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  31. Once again, I’m impressed with how well Steve learned his stuff long ago in MBA school; here he is 35 years later asking about comparative advantage. Which is exactly the right question to be asking.

    My answer: law is still the way to go. That ruthless up-or-out culture might be what rules law firms, but it sure isn’t the MO in government. And government needs lots of lawyers. Even where it’s not a requirement, knowing something about law must be helpful in any bureaucracy.

    Another one: money management. Specifically, to sponge up money that’s looking for a “diverse” money manager. Just hire a competent tax guy and you’re good to go, because otherwise picking winning stocks is 99% luck. Charisma and bullshit are the other 99%.

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    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.

    And, OT, a couple of website issues:
    1. Cutting and pasting is broken, at least on Android Chrome — Android 7.1.1. (It's still good in Firefox.)
    2. Including my "LOLs" and "Agrees" in my commenting history isn't so helpful, IMO.

    , @Ed
    Unfortunately since blacks have a low trust culture, Black money managers and finance professionals tend to rip off their black clientele.

    One thing that goes unmentioned in all of the “blacks were victimized by subprime stories” is that often times the predators were black. They often met their realtor, mortgage broker etc. at church or through a friend who told them what to put on the application to get approved.

    Even tax prep has become a running scam in the hood. They charge $250+ to low income people who could get it done free by charity or even the IRS office if one is in their city.
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    ...picking winning stocks is 99% luck. Charisma and bullshit are the other 99%.
     
    Having been there and done that, I agree with you 99% + 99% = 198%.

    As a seller of mutual funds in the ever-upward market of the 1990's, I had lots of happy customers, and then it dawned on me that the S&P 500 index was beating the managers of most of the funds I was representing. Over time, rising and falling tides were raising and lowering all boats.

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  32. Factory jobs.

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  33. Ragno says:

    A career as a business generalist is not the worst way to go; certainly better that token minority hand-out jobs like diversity officer.

    Try telling that to Michelle Obama. But cover your ears if you’re sensitive to profanities being shouted at you.

    “Diversity officer” is the ultimate AA plum: money for nothing, plus a gold-embossed nameplate for your desk, and all you have to do is occasionally nod and harumph at meetings. So long as you can remember not to drop too many mf-bombs with your office door open, you’re gold. (As in “soul-food kitchen? Who you think you talkin to, white mf? You don’t know me!”)

    Whites would understand better if we had a similar retard-lottery-winner position to fill on every board of directors.

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  34. In my experience, they can be very good at tricky, yet repetitive tasks. They can make very good roofers, bricklayers, house painters, landscapers, etc. They also make excellent tailors and seamstresses.

    They have a high tolerance for working in physically difficult conditions such as heat and noxious fumes.

    Pretty much anything that we hire Mexicans to do, blacks would do better, if motivated.

    The ones with higher than average intelligence should start out in these fields and work their way up to owning businesses managing and mentoring crews of their fellow blacks.

    Booker T. Washington laid out the map for this in Up From Slavery.

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    >Pretty much anything that we hire Mexicans to do, blacks would do better, if motivated.

    Not sure your observations fit mine, but that's quite the rub, ain't it?

    Speaking of Amy Wax, she and Richwine recently had a piece that's relevant to this discussion.
    , @Anonymous
    I can remember when I was very young, there were older black waiters in the better restaurants and they were uniformly professional and personable--courtly even. Typically well-dressed in white jackets and often, bow-ties. Not remotely self-demeaning, not remotely like a 'stepin fetchit', but dedicated to doing their work well and kind, courteous, even gracious. Given that all the patrons were white, these waiters probably did okay with regard to tips, too.

    I'd forgotten about this, because 1) it was a long time ago and 2) there's nothing remotely like it among today's negro contingent.

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  35. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I have no doubt you’ll get many comments to this end-but blacks do very well in military service. At the beginning, romotion is greatly aided by eg how fast you can run (where black athleticism really comes in handy) and at the end of a career there are affirmative action preferences right to the very highest echelons. By law, a fixed number of E8 and E9 (the highest enlisted [“blue collar track”] slots) are set aside for minorities.
    And blacks self select into fields like supply, so the obvious hazards of military service apply less to them. Bad backs and blown off legs are much rarer in the rear.
    Lastly, it’s a job where blacks can actually do good work and shine. At the highest levels, the army enlisted side is basically HR manager, listening to the complaints of the workin’ man and trying to shield “his” guys from the over ambitious plans of the officer class. This is a realistic goal

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    Yeah, the Army seems like an organization that blacks figured out a long time ago they could do well in. Of course, the fact that more than few blacks are sensibly following their more reliable relatives into the Army just ups the pressure on the Navy and Air Force to get more blacks.
    , @anonymous
    True. Then again when considering America's--shall we say "troubled" racial history-- I'd be just a little bit concerned about the military (of all institutions) looking like the NFL and NBA. A Nat Turner-type in a position of authority within the military raises the specter of something akin to the plot which was depicted in the movie "Seven Days In May", except in this case the enemy is White America instead of the Rooshians.
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  36. @International Jew
    Once again, I'm impressed with how well Steve learned his stuff long ago in MBA school; here he is 35 years later asking about comparative advantage. Which is exactly the right question to be asking.

    My answer: law is still the way to go. That ruthless up-or-out culture might be what rules law firms, but it sure isn't the MO in government. And government needs lots of lawyers. Even where it's not a requirement, knowing something about law must be helpful in any bureaucracy.

    Another one: money management. Specifically, to sponge up money that's looking for a "diverse" money manager. Just hire a competent tax guy and you're good to go, because otherwise picking winning stocks is 99% luck. Charisma and bullshit are the other 99%.

    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.

    And, OT, a couple of website issues:
    1. Cutting and pasting is broken, at least on Android Chrome — Android 7.1.1. (It’s still good in Firefox.)
    2. Including my “LOLs” and “Agrees” in my commenting history isn’t so helpful, IMO.

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    • LOL: midtown
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    I disagree, I find "Agrees" helpful (since they essentially replace an expression of agreement). Trolls and disagrees, on the other hand? Not so much.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.
     
    I liked it better the first way. It had a Yogi-esque wisdom to it.
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  37. JimB says:

    Blacks with average to above average intelligence probably excel in middle management jobs in government and university bureaucracies. They might also excel at managing franchise restaurants and chain supermarkets, but probably immigrants give them stiff competition on this front.

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  38. Pat Boyle says:

    Where did the very odd social goal of ‘Diversity’ come from? You would expect that schools, businesses, and most such institutions would all be chasing after the goal of ‘Excellence’ not ‘Diversity’. I made a pretty good income for a while because I didn’t value Diversity. I valued excellence.

    One of my last jobs before retirement was essentially to rehabilitate the information systems sector at a venture capital funded Internet start-up. One of my tasks was to hire programmers. If I were to have been in step with modern America I suppose I would have pursued greater diversity. I would have hired coders who couldn’t code. In fact that was just what they had done. I fired those black coders who couldn’t code. I hired some Asians.

    The term Diversity is a code word for hiring the stupid, although you get no brownie points for hiring stupid whites. The Social Justice Warriors assume that if you don’t make special efforts to hire stupid blacks for positions for which they would not normally be considered qualified – there would be hardly any blacks in the modern workforce. This is the fear that haunts the liberal soul. I think they’re right.

    Liberals fear that without Diversity no blacks will get hired for almost any job that requires talent and the social order will crumble from all the unemployed and disaffected blacks. All those dangerous young black men will hang out on the street corners all day long.

    So we now have made a virtue of hiring the stupid because we are afraid of the prospect of creating a black revolutionary mass movement composed of unemployables. Good luck.

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    One thing liberals don’t seem to grasp is that if a Coalition of the Fringes can be formed around antipathy to whitey, a Coalition of the Furious can also be formed around Negro Fatigue if this goes on too long. There is a reason why Asians and Hispanics trend 25 to 40 percent Republican in recent elections instead of blacks’ 6 to 11 percent despite everything and if the pattern of ebb-and-flow swings just a bit to the right due to some nasty and uncontainable events popping out at the wrong time, it could cost Democrats a close election. We are well past 1992 and the jungle-people antics that burst forth post-Rodney King are not going to shock the sympathies of (admittedly the fewer and fewer remaining) independent and undecided voters.
    , @TTSSYF
    I think it was Florence King who wrote that "diversity showed up on our doorstep one morning, un-parented, squalling that we worship it."
    , @ScarletNumber
    Liberals are 100% correct. If we allowed businesses to hire and fire based on merit, either government would have to pick up the slack, either directly via welfare or indirectly via make-work jobs, or there would be riots.
    , @Alfa158
    John Derbyshire made the same point more starkly a few years ago. Affirmative Action is now mandatory in order to avoid a total breakdown in civil order. I think he said that American society in the form we presently know, would cease to exist.
    , @Anon7
    I worked at Ford in the early 1990’s, was stuck in a required diversity workshop. My department head, who was English, asked the question “Why Diversity?”, and was told that diverse teams produced a better result. He snorted, and asked which American company makes the best selling and best quality four door sedan? If you looked at the picture of their design team, and counted women and minorities, you could tell from that?

    The workshop presenter kind of hemmed and hawed.

    My department head said, actually it’s a trick question. The best selling car in America (at that time) was the Toyota Camry, whose design team was the least diverse you could imagine, Japanese males between 25 and 55. The workshop presenter, a black woman, kind of changed the subject, and the workshop continued. The fifty white male engineers sat quietly and kept their jobs, and the Diversity train rolled on.

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  39. In smaller communities Blacks can really benefit from quotas and do nothing jobs in law. If there are 18 assistant prosecutors and 2 Blacks get out of law school and want the jobs, both will be hired and even if they are bad at law someone has to oppose bond hearings or attend sentencings. If one ends up being good, then they can be a magistrate. Diversity.

    Same thing in regional law firms outside Black cities.

    As you say, though, at the top levels in large urban areas there are enough Blacks who are good at law to take all the set aside jobs, jobs they likely would have gotten anyway.

    Black civil engineers are in great demand, but they have to pass the PE exam and that is no joke.

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  40. I’ve seen a number of black guys run parts outlets like Auto Zone. It’s not bad: some technical/mechanical knowledge you can share, inventory, having a manager role, and good customer interaction. I also saw some Radio Shacks (before it went down) with black managers who did fine. There’s a lot of 1o5-110 IQ guys out there who have this skill set and would do well in such jobs.

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  41. Anonym says:

    DMV?

    Governing cadre of Liberia?

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  42. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Spotted Toad
    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

    Not just school administration, but teaching in general is a reasonably well-paying job which attracts a significant percentage of blacks.

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    About 85% of teachers in this country are white. Blacks are actually underrepresented in the teaching profession at around 7%.

    I was stunned when I came across this stat. Living in the DC area I come across many black teachers but evidently they’re a small minority overall. Teachers often have to be certified through tests and here too blacks struggle.

    The worst thing that happened to Blacks was WEB DuBois. Should have went the Booker T. route.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/black-teachers-public-schools-education-system-philadelphia/
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  43. Pat Boyle says:

    Speaking of code words and terms designed to obscure the truth. I will briefly mention a truth so terrible that no news organization dares to speak of it.

    We have a continuing gun crisis in America. I’ll tell you why.

    People buy guns to shoot negroes.

    You would think that people buy guns for target shooting or hunting. But no. The Pew study of gun ownership motivations shows that today people buy guns for home defense. And they are not afraid of a home invasion by elderly Chinese women.

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    Right on. The other pro-gun answer that is often given is that the 2nd amendment is there so that the people can defend themselves against a tyrannical government. This is only partly true. The average gun owner isn’t thinking about the need to defend themselves against FBI agents or soldiers when TSHTF. They’re thinking about the anarcho-tyranny the government will unleash in the form of lawless blacks being relocated to their neighborhoods.
    , @Anonymous
    Pistols maybe, but rifle owners tend to live in areas with few blacks.
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  45. Sunbeam says:
    @The Alarmist
    I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible. Required no student loans, no serious school time, and no tests. A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA.

    Seriously, a career as a business generalist is not the worst way to go; certainly better that token minority hand-out jobs like diversity officer.

    “I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible.”

    I find that kind of strange. Suffice it to say my area has lots of black people, the school I attended has lots, and I’ve been around them all my life.

    They can’t cook. Period. I have no earthly idea why that should be the case, but it appears to be an apparent fact.

    You’ll see some pretty insane things with black cuisine. More fatback than you can imagine in the various types of greens. BTW the greens will be overcooked (this is a theme in black cooking).

    Macaroni and cheese – I can see in my mind now how you’ll see streams of fat pouring off all the cheese they stick on it (and I like hardcore Mac N’ Cheese – but that’s a bridge too far).

    All vegetables are uniformly overcooked. This is a rule. If they fry something the inside will be dry. Again it just always works out that way.

    Never had barbecue cooked over an open fire by a black person that was any good.

    And the kicker is in my experience, blacks prefer to go to restaurants run by whites. And Asians (though most often the cooks are Mexicans). God do blacks love Chinese restaurants.

    Really struggling to come up with some field of endeavor they do well. I’ve seen some really good black bricklayers and masons. Also seen some excellent black truck drivers, being Aces at backing up a rig into a tight crazy spot.

    Never seen a black guy that seemed to be any good at anything agricultural or involving nuts and bolts or working on an engine though.

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    When I watch Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare USA regardless of the cuisine the kitchen almost always seems to be Mexicans.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
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  46. Teaching. Not a shoot-for-the-stars kind of career, but a sure bet for a middle class life. For a presentable and nonthreatening black person, teaching is also a ticket to living and working among whites. You can be the trophy black teacher at a fancy New England boarding school out in the Berkshires or something, inspiring well-behaved kids by day and banging all the nice white lady teachers by night.

    If being around whites is what you want. And if you don’t, then as a black your survivability in a ghetto school — play out the stand-and-deliver dream for a while, before you take that job at Andover — is a comparative advantage.

    What not to do:

    Don’t do engineering. When stuff breaks, it’s too obvious.

    Don’t do medicine. Only the most idiotically deluded white people will entrust a suspected affirmative action case with their health. Likewise smart black people (and stupid black people, like stupid white people, don’t go to MDs anyway, they go to quacks like chiropractors). You might have a chance as an emergency room doctor, since your patients won’t have a choice or they’ll come in unconscious.

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    Re: trust black doctor- yeah I know but am I the only person that has ended up having to despite the fact that I would never ever myself choose a black doctor?

    Like you can choose your doctor but often times if you need a procedure done, you get assigned to a not fully named team of hospital employees, or you can choose the doctor but not the anesthesiologist. Last time I had to go under, I asked for the name of the anesthesia group contracted by the clinic so I could look up every doctor they employed to make sure there was not a black one.

    Still, a few months ago I had to have a breast tumor removed. The surgeon on the roster at a large and reputable hospital was a 50 year old Jewish male. Ok fine. But when I got on the operating table, he turned the procedure over to a 30 yr old black resident. Like I actually wanted to call the procedure off but I was already on the operatating table with my clothes off. She was very nice and I ended up fine but I was seriously not happy about getting a knife to my chest by someone who could have gotten into medical school with a 2.5 gpa.
    , @RebelWriter
    "Don’t do engineering. When stuff breaks, it’s too obvious."

    I'm just typing this mostly for my own satisfaction, as my comments often never get approved by the moderators here. I don't know; maybe it's my handle.

    Anyway, engineering has been my profession for nearly 40 years, and I can speak to this. I've never known a standout engineer, designer, or "drafter" (computer operator nowadays) who was black. Most ranged from competent to incompetent. Most would never have kept their jobs had they been white. There have been a handful of exceptions, one in particular comes to mind, a designer I'd rank as my equal. He was culturally white, though, and didn't exhibit any traits most people normally associate with blacks. He was bright, responsible, quiet, and loved good red wines and good cigars. He was raising the children of his sister, along with his own children, as his sister died in a tornado. He was devoted to his wife and family.

    Most owe their careers to AA, and know it. While most work middling hard, and do an acceptable job, there are always those who know they stand very little chance of getting fired, and tend to come in late and leave early every day, and produce very little actual work.

    I worked for a small firm once that had exactly one black employee, an electrical engineer. He was quiet, and kept to himself, for the most part. I have no idea of the quality or quantity of his work, but it really didn't matter. His department head once admitted to me that all this guy HAD to do was show up most days. The dept. head seemed content with his work, and once remarked that the black engineer was in a position to write his own ticket.

    At the company where I work now, we had a black office manager once, responsible for all engineering and construction performed out of this one office, one of the largest in the very large company. He called himself the token executive. He knew he held the job because he had the bare minimum qualifications and was also black. He laughed himself to the bank, and to a nice retirement. We shared the same surname, but I never asked about his background to discover whether my ancestors may once have owned his. I didn't think it would have been good to know if they had.

    My industry has always been diverse and multicultural. My first job was in freaking Kansas, and we had black, Saudi, dot Indian, Thai, and Vietnamese engineers and drafters. I went from there to the mountains of Virginia, and shared an office with a Thai Chinese. He was ethnically Chinese, but his grandparents moved to Thailand before he was born. His surname was Veravanachapatana. It was properly pronounced "Where-wanna-witch-a-pat-a-na, but the craft people pronounced it, "Vera-vanna-chappa-tanna."

    I remember, not so long ago, we used to focus on excellence, and continuous improvement. Now we focus on diversity and inclusion. We don't sell diversity, but you'd think it was our chief product, judging from corporate literature and articles. Every day is a celebration of diversity, while the white guys work harder to make sure things get done, and don't break.
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  47. TheBoom says:

    How about jobs running businesses in black communities: grocery, liquor, car repair, hardware, hair salons and barber shops are just some examples of what I used to see blacks running. Now those are, when not involving hair, run by asians. I have read that the Asian immigrants can get small business loans that blacks, as traditional Americans, can’t get. True? Asians have a lot of strong skill sets but being black is rarely one of them.

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  48. Steve didn’t mention the side issue represented by your post/photo. It’s hard to get on a career track when you’re weighed down by criminal records and a pretty good percentage of them have an anchor around their necks.

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  49. Zippy says:

    Totally unscientific with no evidence to back it up, but: sales.

    Contrary to all the “white privilege” and “implicit bias” nonsense, white Americans in general like black people and are rooting for them. Blacks tend to be good talkers, and if they haven’t drunk too much of the SJW Kool-Aid can have upbeat, winning personalities.

    Perfect for sales.

    By the way, being a trial lawyer is one area where blacks can excel in law. If you had asked Johnny Cochran to structure a merger or write a Supreme Court brief, or even argue in front of the Supremes, he would have failed miserably. But he was immensely skilled at creating a message that 12 people of ordinary intelligence could believe.

    Blacks in general are good at things that require talking rather than thinking or doing.

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    Many years ago, when I had a freshly minted PhD in the hard sciences, and trying to get a low paying adjunct teaching job, I went through insurance sales training with a black guy.

    He was a reasonably bright guy. He didn't have as good a flair for crunching the numbers as I did, but remember I am a PhD scientist.

    When the training was over, I got a call with an offer for a low paying teaching job, so I jumped on it. I never made a single insurance sale.

    My black friend went to his church, and convinced the church board to buy a big policy for the good Reverend, and lots of the folks on the board got policies themselves.

    Heck, he even sold ME a small policy. I was living in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn, so I warned him to dress nicely and not be on the streets after dark. He didn't complain at all. He got there dressed up in daytime, and sold me a policy.

    Thing is, he was smart enough to eventually figure out the numbers, smart enough to pass the test, and he had the people skills to sell the policies.

    So yes, there are quite a few blacks who are already very good at sales.
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  50. The Z Blog says: • Website
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    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example.

    This is something you can see in the areas around the Imperial Capital where the political elites are quartered. What you will see in Tucker Carlson’s neighborhood or Jonah Goldberg’s neighborhood, is Aztec grounds crews and Asian domestics. You never see whites or blacks in these jobs. The reason, I suspect, is the former reminds the managerial types of just how tenuous their position is in America and the latter reminds them of the original sin that has come to define the New Religion of the managerial class. This is a bigger driver of open borders fanaticism than anyone realizes.

    When Hillary Clinton gleefully talked about killing the coal business, she did so believing she was liberating the coal miners. When so-called conservatives gloat about manufacturing jobs going overseas and small towns dying as a result, they think they are helping these people break free of their condition. It’s why facts and reason make no impact on them. It’s a spiritual issue for them.

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  51. benjaminl says:

    I remember Jack D on another old thread saying that back before affirmative action, cooking and barbering were known to be African-American specialties.

    Maybe not for the hypothetical kid in this thread, but say for another kid without college-material grades.

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    In the Navy all the cooks and barbers were brothas. I should know , I used to play b-ball with them. What? I'm from Philly!
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  52. Nico says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Where did the very odd social goal of 'Diversity' come from? You would expect that schools, businesses, and most such institutions would all be chasing after the goal of 'Excellence' not 'Diversity'. I made a pretty good income for a while because I didn't value Diversity. I valued excellence.

    One of my last jobs before retirement was essentially to rehabilitate the information systems sector at a venture capital funded Internet start-up. One of my tasks was to hire programmers. If I were to have been in step with modern America I suppose I would have pursued greater diversity. I would have hired coders who couldn't code. In fact that was just what they had done. I fired those black coders who couldn't code. I hired some Asians.

    The term Diversity is a code word for hiring the stupid, although you get no brownie points for hiring stupid whites. The Social Justice Warriors assume that if you don't make special efforts to hire stupid blacks for positions for which they would not normally be considered qualified - there would be hardly any blacks in the modern workforce. This is the fear that haunts the liberal soul. I think they're right.

    Liberals fear that without Diversity no blacks will get hired for almost any job that requires talent and the social order will crumble from all the unemployed and disaffected blacks. All those dangerous young black men will hang out on the street corners all day long.

    So we now have made a virtue of hiring the stupid because we are afraid of the prospect of creating a black revolutionary mass movement composed of unemployables. Good luck.

    One thing liberals don’t seem to grasp is that if a Coalition of the Fringes can be formed around antipathy to whitey, a Coalition of the Furious can also be formed around Negro Fatigue if this goes on too long. There is a reason why Asians and Hispanics trend 25 to 40 percent Republican in recent elections instead of blacks’ 6 to 11 percent despite everything and if the pattern of ebb-and-flow swings just a bit to the right due to some nasty and uncontainable events popping out at the wrong time, it could cost Democrats a close election. We are well past 1992 and the jungle-people antics that burst forth post-Rodney King are not going to shock the sympathies of (admittedly the fewer and fewer remaining) independent and undecided voters.

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    While white nationalists and most leftists generally frame everything in a "white vs nonwhite" way, the most natural schism is probably black vs nonblack. As the US becomes less white, we will probably see the latter schism become more prominent.
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  53. Art Deco says:

    TeasersiSteve Blog What Careers Should Blacks Tend to Specialize In?

    Nothing in particular. Genera do not have careers, individuals do, and each person has his own portfolio of aptitudes and interests. You see clotting here and there for a variety of reasons (including the reason that it’s in the subjects mind because he has friends and relations in that trade).

    For example, lots of Cambodians run donut shops.

    The number of black Americans in this country exceeds the number of ethnic Khmer by a factor of 125. I think that would tend to inhibit the development of odd little niches wherein prosperity is a function of trade knowledge passed around among cousins.

    As we speak, you have occupational niche development among blacks. Prior to 1940, blacks departed agricultural employment at rates similar to (but somewhat lower than) those which prevailed among whites. After 1940, the departure from agriculture was more rapid even than the steady clip manifest in the general population.

    What you’ve seen, and it is a persistent pattern, is a preference for employment where one-on-one personal services are provided. About 40% of the barbers in the United States are black. The lower grades of nursing (LPN and CNA) have a large black contingent. Nursing home employees of all stripes have a large black contingent. Home health aides are also commonly black.

    Several generations back, there was one trade union which had a black majority: it was the union which organized railway porters and allied personnel. In our own time, bus drivers are disproportionately black. So are postal employees, cab drivers, and messengers. So, you other pattern where transporting people and their communications (not shipping in general) is a black speciality.

    Another knot consists of junior grade security personnel: private security guards, bailiffs, jail guards, prison guards and the like.

    In and among salaried occupations, blacks tend to pool in the following areas: eligibility assessment, social work, probation and parole supervision, counseling, insurance adjusting, tax preparation, and HR. With some qualification, the common elements are work outside of the commercial sector and interacting with people (and interacting in less than pleasant circumstances).

    So, personal interaction, personal service, porting, these are the common elements of revealed preferences.

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    Several generations back, there was one trade union which had a black majority: it was the union which organized railway porters and allied personnel. In our own time, bus drivers are disproportionately black. So are postal employees, cab drivers, and messengers. So, you other pattern where transporting people and their communications (not shipping in general) is a black speciality.
     
    Yeah, pretty much agree here.

    The lower grades of nursing (LPN and CNA) have a large black contingent.
     
    How much old-stock AA vs. immigrants and their progeny, though?

    cab drivers
     
    Same question.

    About 40% of the barbers in the United States are black.
     
    OK, that's something. Especially nice since it's an own-business sort of thing. How about barbering vs. "hairstyling"? Do whites tend to go more to white or to black barbershops? Same question for blacks, except I think I can guess the answer. (All the good barbers I've ever been to have been Italian, save one Filipino-- not all that significant a datum).
    , @res
    Good comment. I think your final sentence is a very useful observation: "So, personal interaction, personal service, porting, these are the common elements of revealed preferences."

    The problem I see with analyzing Steve's questions--"What are promising careers to consider? What are careers to watch out for?"--is that there are so many possible metrics. For example:

    - Prevalence of blacks in a job (your metric). A good metric. Hard to say what would be the best time frame to look at. I think they all have problems (slavery, Jim Crow, affirmative action).

    - Good pay. Perhaps accompanied by considering prevalence and number of jobs available so you are not just picking up the top 0.01% of outcomes (e.g. athletes).

    - Job satisfaction. Any good data on this by race?

    - Relative ability/performance. This is a tough one. I suspect your prevalence data is a pretty good proxy for it. But I suspect all of the data is corrupted by affirmative action. I know for some people it is just about being paid, but I suspect Steve's hypothetical competent person would be unhappy in a position where they are underperforming.

    - Customer (also fellow employee, manager, etc.) satisfaction. I suspect this one is a bit of an elephant in the room.

    This article has some good earnings and % black data by college major. Nursing stands out as you observed: http://www.takepart.com/article/2016/02/09/black-students-dont-pick-majors-high-paying-jobs
    Relevant to the original topic of conversation is that "Law and Public Policy" has the highest percentage black (15%) of the "major groupings" in their data.

    The report underlying that article is at https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/african-american-majors/
    The appendix has a list of 137 majors along with median earnings and both current (2016?) and 2009 earnings. I highly recommend anyone interested in this topic at least take a look at the report web page.

    It might be useful to compare to a more general (the full report is 214 pages!) 2015 report with the same lead author (but not broken down by race): https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/

    Some more links which may be of interest for this conversation:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/karstenstrauss/2016/05/03/highest-earning-college-majors-for-african-americans
    http://fortune.com/2016/12/05/best-workplaces-diversity-african-americans/
    https://thegrio.com/2009/12/04/jobs-that-work-for-african-americans/
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  54. George says:

    What core competency do immigrants bring to the US? Access to unlimited cheap high-quality labor might be the answer. I occasionally see great migration blacks open a restaurant, but doing that with US blacks means having to respect labor laws, and that your English speaking US citizen staff can quit once they get something positive on their resume. The restaurants in the NY city area usually fail, even though I liked the food. I am assuming the issue was labor cost, although it might have been other marketing problems.

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  55. TTSSYF says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Where did the very odd social goal of 'Diversity' come from? You would expect that schools, businesses, and most such institutions would all be chasing after the goal of 'Excellence' not 'Diversity'. I made a pretty good income for a while because I didn't value Diversity. I valued excellence.

    One of my last jobs before retirement was essentially to rehabilitate the information systems sector at a venture capital funded Internet start-up. One of my tasks was to hire programmers. If I were to have been in step with modern America I suppose I would have pursued greater diversity. I would have hired coders who couldn't code. In fact that was just what they had done. I fired those black coders who couldn't code. I hired some Asians.

    The term Diversity is a code word for hiring the stupid, although you get no brownie points for hiring stupid whites. The Social Justice Warriors assume that if you don't make special efforts to hire stupid blacks for positions for which they would not normally be considered qualified - there would be hardly any blacks in the modern workforce. This is the fear that haunts the liberal soul. I think they're right.

    Liberals fear that without Diversity no blacks will get hired for almost any job that requires talent and the social order will crumble from all the unemployed and disaffected blacks. All those dangerous young black men will hang out on the street corners all day long.

    So we now have made a virtue of hiring the stupid because we are afraid of the prospect of creating a black revolutionary mass movement composed of unemployables. Good luck.

    I think it was Florence King who wrote that “diversity showed up on our doorstep one morning, un-parented, squalling that we worship it.”

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  56. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.

    And, OT, a couple of website issues:
    1. Cutting and pasting is broken, at least on Android Chrome — Android 7.1.1. (It's still good in Firefox.)
    2. Including my "LOLs" and "Agrees" in my commenting history isn't so helpful, IMO.

    I disagree, I find “Agrees” helpful (since they essentially replace an expression of agreement). Trolls and disagrees, on the other hand? Not so much.

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    It's not the Agree button itself that I have any problem with, but that my own record of pressing it comes up on my comment history.

    And we need the Troll button as long as Tiny Duck keeps sailing through hunting season unscathed.
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  57. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    TeasersiSteve Blog What Careers Should Blacks Tend to Specialize In?

    Nothing in particular. Genera do not have careers, individuals do, and each person has his own portfolio of aptitudes and interests. You see clotting here and there for a variety of reasons (including the reason that it's in the subjects mind because he has friends and relations in that trade).


    For example, lots of Cambodians run donut shops.

    The number of black Americans in this country exceeds the number of ethnic Khmer by a factor of 125. I think that would tend to inhibit the development of odd little niches wherein prosperity is a function of trade knowledge passed around among cousins.

    As we speak, you have occupational niche development among blacks. Prior to 1940, blacks departed agricultural employment at rates similar to (but somewhat lower than) those which prevailed among whites. After 1940, the departure from agriculture was more rapid even than the steady clip manifest in the general population.

    What you've seen, and it is a persistent pattern, is a preference for employment where one-on-one personal services are provided. About 40% of the barbers in the United States are black. The lower grades of nursing (LPN and CNA) have a large black contingent. Nursing home employees of all stripes have a large black contingent. Home health aides are also commonly black.

    Several generations back, there was one trade union which had a black majority: it was the union which organized railway porters and allied personnel. In our own time, bus drivers are disproportionately black. So are postal employees, cab drivers, and messengers. So, you other pattern where transporting people and their communications (not shipping in general) is a black speciality.


    Another knot consists of junior grade security personnel: private security guards, bailiffs, jail guards, prison guards and the like.


    In and among salaried occupations, blacks tend to pool in the following areas: eligibility assessment, social work, probation and parole supervision, counseling, insurance adjusting, tax preparation, and HR. With some qualification, the common elements are work outside of the commercial sector and interacting with people (and interacting in less than pleasant circumstances).


    So, personal interaction, personal service, porting, these are the common elements of revealed preferences.

    Several generations back, there was one trade union which had a black majority: it was the union which organized railway porters and allied personnel. In our own time, bus drivers are disproportionately black. So are postal employees, cab drivers, and messengers. So, you other pattern where transporting people and their communications (not shipping in general) is a black speciality.

    Yeah, pretty much agree here.

    The lower grades of nursing (LPN and CNA) have a large black contingent.

    How much old-stock AA vs. immigrants and their progeny, though?

    cab drivers

    Same question.

    About 40% of the barbers in the United States are black.

    OK, that’s something. Especially nice since it’s an own-business sort of thing. How about barbering vs. “hairstyling”? Do whites tend to go more to white or to black barbershops? Same question for blacks, except I think I can guess the answer. (All the good barbers I’ve ever been to have been Italian, save one Filipino– not all that significant a datum).

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  59. Andy says:

    Given their extrovertion, they could be good salesmen, except that many white americans are afraid of blacks

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  60. Don’t blacks in America still mainly have their hair cut by other blacks? That certainly applies in British cities with a sizeable black presence. But on the rare occasion I’ve been in such an establishment, I’ve noticed many of the staff are recent immigrants from the Caribbean. Barbering is another trade that’s largely been outsourced. My barber as a kid was a Greek-Cypriot with a penchant for Elvis and betting on the horses.

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    "Don’t blacks in America still mainly have their hair cut by other blacks? That certainly applies in British cities with a sizeable black presence. "

    Interesting you mention that. Just a few days ago I went for a haircut at my usual place. The customers are always white, though the barbers are Turkish. This time, there was a black man getting a haircut, the first one I've seen in 15 years of going there.
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  61. jonomd says:

    If I had to guess, the most promising path would be in sales. Benefits from Black’s natural extroversion and (over)confidence. White guilt also would probably give them a leg up in making first contact with customers. Every buyer wants the equivalent of the cool black friend. That said, competent sales people with actual managerial/executive skills can rise pretty high up a company organizational chart. Barrier to entry to a sales gig is also fairly low, and does not require a heaping helping of school debt or parental support the way law or medicine does, with the attendant risk of default if you can’t actually pass the board/bar.

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  62. Q.W. Erty says:

    https://theundefeated.com/features/why-are-so-many-ncaa-basketball-walk-ons-white/

    “At the top level of men’s college basketball, where teams harbor national championship hopes and NBA talent, most of the competitors are African-American. But one group of players remains predominantly white: the walk-ons…”

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  63. @The Alarmist
    I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible. Required no student loans, no serious school time, and no tests. A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA.

    Seriously, a career as a business generalist is not the worst way to go; certainly better that token minority hand-out jobs like diversity officer.

    Doomed to fail in any format other than take out unless clientele is 90 percent non-black. Otherwise, too little tip income and too much dine ‘n’ dash.

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  64. If Steve’s hypothetical black kid can graduate with a B- average from a state university’s engineering program, and assuming he has the average black level of extraversion and charisma, he could try sales engineering. He wouldn’t need to know all the nuts and bolts of whatever product he’s selling, he would just need to know enough to answer customers’ basic questions while taking them on an expense-account-paid trip to a sporting event or a nice restaurant. And if the customer has a question he can’t answer, he can just smile and say, “I want to make sure you get the best possible answer to that, so when I get back to the office, I’ll talk to the lead engineers, Schmidt and Yamamoto, and get back to you.”

    Plus, sales engineering can pay pretty well.

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  65. Nursing is a good one, because not a lot of money is needed to start.

    You can do a 90-day Certified Nursing Assistant course and get a job anywhere, usually with plenty of overtime available. While working you can then complete a 10-month course to become Licensed Practical Nurse, then do another year to upgrade to the Associate Degree for Registered Nurse. After that you can continue part-time to acquire the Bachelor of Science of Nursing, and then enroll in graduate school to become a Certified Nurse Practitioner. Or you can end up teaching nursing.

    There are also opportunities in many other health-related fields.

    Teaching is another obvious one. Or running a daycare for children or seniors.

    Auto repair shop, or used car lot. Automobile sales at a dealership. Car rental agent.

    Airline crew, gate agent.

    Life insurance sales.

    Other profession would include law enforcement and prison management, highway patrol, officer of the court, probation officer, social worker.

    Then really any type of local government, state, or federal employment, for example working in Driver License Office, state human resources and payroll.

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    If the hypothetical student was a girl, then yes nursing is a good choice. Not for a boy, though. A black boy isn't going to willingly do woman's work.
    , @Rod1963
    You must think that the medical field is for dingbats and 85 IQ types. It isn't.

    The fact is you don't want lots of blacks in the nursing field - it will ruin it. A lot of them don't like whites and god help you if you get a nurse who hates you just for being white. And when you get a bunch of them together, their work ethic falls apart. Why in hell do you think the VA is so f-uped? It's nursing staff composed of mostly blacks and some Filipinos with Hindu contract doctors - all lorded over over by a bunch of idiot white managers.

    And becoming a RN - it's a lot harder than you think and the schools are all backlogged with 18 month waits for classes. Of course you can go to a private RN school which charges $80k for a RN and you pay upfront.

    And the intellectual demands get even harder if you're going for a NP. I've yet to see a black NP in all my years of dealing with medical folks(mostly as a advocate for my parents).

    Teaching isn't a place for low IQ types period. The fact is public education is already loaded with dolts and dullards of various stripes and it harms the kids, especially the bright ones who end up languishing and being drugged by the system.
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  66. Luke Lea says:

    I don’t see anybody trying to answer Steve’s question, so let me take a stab at it. Middle management in any large organization is one obvious alternative, which means hiring at the bottom — even in the mail room — and working your way up with diligence and a winning personality. And just as with similarly qualified whites, all the building and other skilled trades, being non-exportable, are good choices, the ideal goal being to set up your own shop and become self-employed. And even in the law, as someone already mentioned, setting up an independent practice specializing in the kinds of problems ordinary people have does not seem like such a bad idea. Also teaching school, coaching, running a nightclub, the ministry, and local government sound like decent middle-class careers.

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    I don’t see anybody trying to answer Steve’s question,

    It's a bad question. Blacks would benefit from honest feedback from employers. The current regime in employment discrimination law militates against that. Also, our school systems are doing a horrible job in this respect (and a sloppy and inefficient job generally) at sorting the labor market. If you could clear out the enforced political patronage and systemic dishonesty, people will come closer to an optimum in their personal decision-making.
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  67. Tom Wolfe gave us in “A Man in Full” a black inmate who found out that his public defender was also black. His response was, “Get lost, m*ther-f*cker, I want a Jew!”

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  68. @Pat Boyle
    Speaking of code words and terms designed to obscure the truth. I will briefly mention a truth so terrible that no news organization dares to speak of it.

    We have a continuing gun crisis in America. I'll tell you why.

    People buy guns to shoot negroes.

    You would think that people buy guns for target shooting or hunting. But no. The Pew study of gun ownership motivations shows that today people buy guns for home defense. And they are not afraid of a home invasion by elderly Chinese women.

    Right on. The other pro-gun answer that is often given is that the 2nd amendment is there so that the people can defend themselves against a tyrannical government. This is only partly true. The average gun owner isn’t thinking about the need to defend themselves against FBI agents or soldiers when TSHTF. They’re thinking about the anarcho-tyranny the government will unleash in the form of lawless blacks being relocated to their neighborhoods.

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  69. @benjaminl
    I remember Jack D on another old thread saying that back before affirmative action, cooking and barbering were known to be African-American specialties.

    Maybe not for the hypothetical kid in this thread, but say for another kid without college-material grades.

    In the Navy all the cooks and barbers were brothas. I should know , I used to play b-ball with them. What? I’m from Philly!

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  70. @International Jew
    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.

    And, OT, a couple of website issues:
    1. Cutting and pasting is broken, at least on Android Chrome — Android 7.1.1. (It's still good in Firefox.)
    2. Including my "LOLs" and "Agrees" in my commenting history isn't so helpful, IMO.

    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.

    I liked it better the first way. It had a Yogi-esque wisdom to it.

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    I liked the 99% and 99% too. The Yogi Berra versions:
    "Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical."
    "You give 100 per cent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough in the second half you give what's left."
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  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Blacks have already carved out a niche in the sports and entertainment industry because they are more creative and athletic than whites.

    The ones who don’t make it to the top can still use their talent to make it in other careers. The best pharmaceutical rep I have ever seen was a black woman because she was uber charismatic like Ali was.

    I would be more concerned about what niche prole white people are going to carve out. Jews have already carved out their niche in finance, entertainment, and law. The very top of Anglos are similarly skilled in these fields. But what about non Jew whites?

    Gentile whites have a lower iq than Asians so a lot of whites have been pushed out of the heavy iq fields in STEM. Gentile whites are not as creative so they are pushed out of athletic and entertainment endeavors. So whites are kind of in an awkward spit where they are decent in a lot of areas but not the best at anything.

    So the main avenue I see for a non Jewish white niche are government jobs like government teachers and administrators. Also marketing to other white people like Instagram models. But other than that, whites don’t have an advantage against anybody.

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    based on your comment I'd guess you're an angry black male. But get your facts right--Northeast Asians are only a little smarter on quantitative skills; whites are smarter on verbal tests, and since high verbal IQ is associated with producing great civilizations like the European, you have to ask yourself, Did Meretricious just make me his little bitch? LOL
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  72. Art Deco says:
    @Luke Lea
    I don't see anybody trying to answer Steve's question, so let me take a stab at it. Middle management in any large organization is one obvious alternative, which means hiring at the bottom -- even in the mail room -- and working your way up with diligence and a winning personality. And just as with similarly qualified whites, all the building and other skilled trades, being non-exportable, are good choices, the ideal goal being to set up your own shop and become self-employed. And even in the law, as someone already mentioned, setting up an independent practice specializing in the kinds of problems ordinary people have does not seem like such a bad idea. Also teaching school, coaching, running a nightclub, the ministry, and local government sound like decent middle-class careers.

    I don’t see anybody trying to answer Steve’s question,

    It’s a bad question. Blacks would benefit from honest feedback from employers. The current regime in employment discrimination law militates against that. Also, our school systems are doing a horrible job in this respect (and a sloppy and inefficient job generally) at sorting the labor market. If you could clear out the enforced political patronage and systemic dishonesty, people will come closer to an optimum in their personal decision-making.

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    It’s a bad question.
     
    I don't know about this. It seems to me Steve's question is a good way to frame one important part of an individual's decision. Obviously individual traits also matter though.

    I strongly agree with the rest of your comment and think it warrants repeating:

    Blacks would benefit from honest feedback from employers. The current regime in employment discrimination law militates against that. Also, our school systems are doing a horrible job in this respect (and a sloppy and inefficient job generally) at sorting the labor market. If you could clear out the enforced political patronage and systemic dishonesty, people will come closer to an optimum in their personal decision-making.

     

    Well said. It would also improve the ability to find global (accounting for the effects on other people) optimums rather than just individual optimums.
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  73. @Spotted Toad
    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

    My old girlfriend used to say, “When two Greeks meet, they open a pizza place.” She said it was a common saying where she grew up.

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  74. @Jonathan Mason
    Nursing is a good one, because not a lot of money is needed to start.

    You can do a 90-day Certified Nursing Assistant course and get a job anywhere, usually with plenty of overtime available. While working you can then complete a 10-month course to become Licensed Practical Nurse, then do another year to upgrade to the Associate Degree for Registered Nurse. After that you can continue part-time to acquire the Bachelor of Science of Nursing, and then enroll in graduate school to become a Certified Nurse Practitioner. Or you can end up teaching nursing.

    There are also opportunities in many other health-related fields.

    Teaching is another obvious one. Or running a daycare for children or seniors.

    Auto repair shop, or used car lot. Automobile sales at a dealership. Car rental agent.

    Airline crew, gate agent.

    Life insurance sales.

    Other profession would include law enforcement and prison management, highway patrol, officer of the court, probation officer, social worker.

    Then really any type of local government, state, or federal employment, for example working in Driver License Office, state human resources and payroll.

    If the hypothetical student was a girl, then yes nursing is a good choice. Not for a boy, though. A black boy isn’t going to willingly do woman’s work.

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  75. @Spotted Toad
    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

    I’ve never heard about Japanese restaurants being Korean owned, but there are lots that are Chinese owned. I have a Chinese friend whose parents run a sushi joint in Florida and I asked them once why they opened a Japanese restaurant instead of a Chinese restaurant. Their reasoning was that the margins are higher and people will generally spend more money on California rolls and seaweed salad than General Tso’s chicken and egg rolls.

    Bricklaying and masonry used to be good careers for blacks in the construction industry. I’ve heard people say that foreman would hire blacks for those jobs because their “natural rhythm” made them really good workers. Blacks don’t seem nearly as interested in construction these days, so it’s mostly older white guys doing the skilled trade work and younger Hispanics in the more physically demanding roles. I’ve heard the industry doesn’t know what’s going to happen when all of baby boomer tradesmen age out of the workforce.

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    I was working one day in a black neighborhood. I was operating the truck we were using. There was a young guy standing on his front porch watching me who said “How do I get your job?” When I pointed at the two guys using the shovels and said,”By starting out there.” he shook his head and said F**k that S**t!
    I think there is a cultural bias against any manual labor now. The tree trimmers and landscapers here are becoming universally Mexican/Central American.
    , @Lot
    "so it’s mostly older white guys doing the skilled trade work and younger Hispanics in the more physically demanding roles. "

    Yes. The younger white skilled workers are often immigrants from Europe or whitish Cubans/South Americans.

    Last two electricians I dealt with were both under 40 and from the former East Germany and Bosnia. Tesla hired a bunch of temps and flew them in from central europe for six months to build its cleanrooms for battery production.

    A licensed electrician around here can easily clear about $125,000. That is so much more than wages in most of Europe, we could bring in a lot more skilled immigrants if we bothered to create programs for them instead of focusing on Somalis and Salvadorians, who Trump still has not ended their TPS status.
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  76. Thea says:

    They were once highly sought after barbers & butlers but apparently that was oppressive.

    The barbers ran their own shops so they were actual entrepreneurs.

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    Most black males probably cut/shave their own hair these days, so I think all the helpful souls mentioning barbering are probably on a losing track. But black women's hair is another matter.
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  77. @Spotted Toad
    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

    The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started.

    It’s not only getting started—it’s over. The whole stupid project is over, don’t you see? People always talk about Affirmative Action as if it were the 11th Commandment, etched in stone by the finger of God. It is nothing of the kind. It is a completely transient feature of the times we live in, a product of the American post-war prosperity and the Baby Boomer civil rights obsession. It will not last another 20 years.

    I’m not just picking on Spotted Toad here. A number of people in this thread have mentioned teaching, school administration, and government as potential paths to prosperity for moderately intelligent Blacks. This is extremely dated, unimaginative thinking.

    State and municipal governments all over the land are bankrupt. Public education is a useless monstrosity. Bureaucracy in general, at the present time, is a wealth-sucking, soul-sucking, toxic swamp of corruption and graft. Nobody is going to find sinecures here in the future, especially token Magic Negroes. The whole bureaucratic/educational sector is set for a 75% reduction in staff, and you can bet that the few who remain will be underpaid, overworked, and will have actual results demanded of them of a sort that we haven’t seen for three generations.

    The country is broke. We cannot afford any of this anymore. We certainly cannot afford to create positions for Blacks to function as diversity mascots. We cannot continue to bloat the administrative posts of a million city councils, school boards, and commissioner’s offices. This will all go away once America has to start dealing with its reality.

    And I find it amazing that the incompetence and SJWism of the bureaucracy is the universal subject of condemnation in any other context, but the moment that Steve asks what kind of jobs would be good for Blacks, all you can do is recommend more of what you yourselves criticize the other 364 days of the year.

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  78. nglaer says:

    Education bureaucrat, and if you’re good, running a city school system. And,
    sales, which blacks seem to have a natural talent for.

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    You're being sarcastic, aren't you.
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  79. @International Jew
    Teaching. Not a shoot-for-the-stars kind of career, but a sure bet for a middle class life. For a presentable and nonthreatening black person, teaching is also a ticket to living and working among whites. You can be the trophy black teacher at a fancy New England boarding school out in the Berkshires or something, inspiring well-behaved kids by day and banging all the nice white lady teachers by night.

    If being around whites is what you want. And if you don't, then as a black your survivability in a ghetto school — play out the stand-and-deliver dream for a while, before you take that job at Andover — is a comparative advantage.

    What not to do:

    Don't do engineering. When stuff breaks, it's too obvious.

    Don't do medicine. Only the most idiotically deluded white people will entrust a suspected affirmative action case with their health. Likewise smart black people (and stupid black people, like stupid white people, don't go to MDs anyway, they go to quacks like chiropractors). You might have a chance as an emergency room doctor, since your patients won't have a choice or they'll come in unconscious.

    Re: trust black doctor- yeah I know but am I the only person that has ended up having to despite the fact that I would never ever myself choose a black doctor?

    Like you can choose your doctor but often times if you need a procedure done, you get assigned to a not fully named team of hospital employees, or you can choose the doctor but not the anesthesiologist. Last time I had to go under, I asked for the name of the anesthesia group contracted by the clinic so I could look up every doctor they employed to make sure there was not a black one.

    Still, a few months ago I had to have a breast tumor removed. The surgeon on the roster at a large and reputable hospital was a 50 year old Jewish male. Ok fine. But when I got on the operating table, he turned the procedure over to a 30 yr old black resident. Like I actually wanted to call the procedure off but I was already on the operatating table with my clothes off. She was very nice and I ended up fine but I was seriously not happy about getting a knife to my chest by someone who could have gotten into medical school with a 2.5 gpa.

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  80. anon • Disclaimer says:

    My Japanese wife avoids Japanese restaurants in the US like the plague. The workers tend to be Korean, and the food is terrible and weird. There is a higher end chef run type of Japanese restaurant in the US that is almost as bad. US chefs value creativity. Japanese cuisine is not creative. It was figured out and fixed in amber long ago, and the chef is supposed to concentrate on obtaining the ingredients and executing the dishes well. No one wants the chef’s new ideas.

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  81. @Pat Boyle
    Where did the very odd social goal of 'Diversity' come from? You would expect that schools, businesses, and most such institutions would all be chasing after the goal of 'Excellence' not 'Diversity'. I made a pretty good income for a while because I didn't value Diversity. I valued excellence.

    One of my last jobs before retirement was essentially to rehabilitate the information systems sector at a venture capital funded Internet start-up. One of my tasks was to hire programmers. If I were to have been in step with modern America I suppose I would have pursued greater diversity. I would have hired coders who couldn't code. In fact that was just what they had done. I fired those black coders who couldn't code. I hired some Asians.

    The term Diversity is a code word for hiring the stupid, although you get no brownie points for hiring stupid whites. The Social Justice Warriors assume that if you don't make special efforts to hire stupid blacks for positions for which they would not normally be considered qualified - there would be hardly any blacks in the modern workforce. This is the fear that haunts the liberal soul. I think they're right.

    Liberals fear that without Diversity no blacks will get hired for almost any job that requires talent and the social order will crumble from all the unemployed and disaffected blacks. All those dangerous young black men will hang out on the street corners all day long.

    So we now have made a virtue of hiring the stupid because we are afraid of the prospect of creating a black revolutionary mass movement composed of unemployables. Good luck.

    Liberals are 100% correct. If we allowed businesses to hire and fire based on merit, either government would have to pick up the slack, either directly via welfare or indirectly via make-work jobs, or there would be riots.

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    I think we will see all three: welfare, make work, and riots. It's too late for welfare alone. Blacks of today don't want to just get a check on "Mother's Day". They want Wakanda.
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  82. Alfa158 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Where did the very odd social goal of 'Diversity' come from? You would expect that schools, businesses, and most such institutions would all be chasing after the goal of 'Excellence' not 'Diversity'. I made a pretty good income for a while because I didn't value Diversity. I valued excellence.

    One of my last jobs before retirement was essentially to rehabilitate the information systems sector at a venture capital funded Internet start-up. One of my tasks was to hire programmers. If I were to have been in step with modern America I suppose I would have pursued greater diversity. I would have hired coders who couldn't code. In fact that was just what they had done. I fired those black coders who couldn't code. I hired some Asians.

    The term Diversity is a code word for hiring the stupid, although you get no brownie points for hiring stupid whites. The Social Justice Warriors assume that if you don't make special efforts to hire stupid blacks for positions for which they would not normally be considered qualified - there would be hardly any blacks in the modern workforce. This is the fear that haunts the liberal soul. I think they're right.

    Liberals fear that without Diversity no blacks will get hired for almost any job that requires talent and the social order will crumble from all the unemployed and disaffected blacks. All those dangerous young black men will hang out on the street corners all day long.

    So we now have made a virtue of hiring the stupid because we are afraid of the prospect of creating a black revolutionary mass movement composed of unemployables. Good luck.

    John Derbyshire made the same point more starkly a few years ago. Affirmative Action is now mandatory in order to avoid a total breakdown in civil order. I think he said that American society in the form we presently know, would cease to exist.

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    The problem is that this is like the guy who was heard after he jumped out the window, who was heard all the way down saying - "So far, so good".

    The sidewalk is coming up fast. Everything about the modern world seems to be designed to burden and discomfort blacks. If there is another solution for the mismatch between black attributes and the requirements of modern society other than some kind of eugenic genocide - I can't imagine what it would be.

    By my figures we have approximately five billion excess people on earth today. There's an good possibility that we will be forced to 'thin the herd'. Such a 'correction' will be good for the species but it will not necessarily be good for all the sub-species.
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  83. KM32 says:

    Jobs like construction work, cleaning, trucking, cooking, and factory work. In a healthy economy, these should be safe, well-paying, and stable jobs. Of course, we don’t have a healthy economy, we have one where new labor can be brought in at any time to break the back of the old laborers.

    None of those jobs I listed are particularly easy. They’re physical, on your feet all day sorts of jobs, and a guy (or woman), who works them should be able to afford a comfortable house, a pickup truck, a safe neighborhood, and a week at the lake or beach once a year. Regardless of race.

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  84. Rod1963 says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Nursing is a good one, because not a lot of money is needed to start.

    You can do a 90-day Certified Nursing Assistant course and get a job anywhere, usually with plenty of overtime available. While working you can then complete a 10-month course to become Licensed Practical Nurse, then do another year to upgrade to the Associate Degree for Registered Nurse. After that you can continue part-time to acquire the Bachelor of Science of Nursing, and then enroll in graduate school to become a Certified Nurse Practitioner. Or you can end up teaching nursing.

    There are also opportunities in many other health-related fields.

    Teaching is another obvious one. Or running a daycare for children or seniors.

    Auto repair shop, or used car lot. Automobile sales at a dealership. Car rental agent.

    Airline crew, gate agent.

    Life insurance sales.

    Other profession would include law enforcement and prison management, highway patrol, officer of the court, probation officer, social worker.

    Then really any type of local government, state, or federal employment, for example working in Driver License Office, state human resources and payroll.

    You must think that the medical field is for dingbats and 85 IQ types. It isn’t.

    The fact is you don’t want lots of blacks in the nursing field – it will ruin it. A lot of them don’t like whites and god help you if you get a nurse who hates you just for being white. And when you get a bunch of them together, their work ethic falls apart. Why in hell do you think the VA is so f-uped? It’s nursing staff composed of mostly blacks and some Filipinos with Hindu contract doctors – all lorded over over by a bunch of idiot white managers.

    And becoming a RN – it’s a lot harder than you think and the schools are all backlogged with 18 month waits for classes. Of course you can go to a private RN school which charges $80k for a RN and you pay upfront.

    And the intellectual demands get even harder if you’re going for a NP. I’ve yet to see a black NP in all my years of dealing with medical folks(mostly as a advocate for my parents).

    Teaching isn’t a place for low IQ types period. The fact is public education is already loaded with dolts and dullards of various stripes and it harms the kids, especially the bright ones who end up languishing and being drugged by the system.

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  85. Rod1963 says:
    @nglaer
    Education bureaucrat, and if you're good, running a city school system. And,
    sales, which blacks seem to have a natural talent for.

    You’re being sarcastic, aren’t you.

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  86. Paul Rise says:

    A better question – what is a good career for an African american that won’t be replaced by automation or AI in the next 20 years?

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    Agreed.

    So far public policy seems to be ignoring the threat that AI poses to ALL employment.
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  87. res says:
    @Art Deco
    TeasersiSteve Blog What Careers Should Blacks Tend to Specialize In?

    Nothing in particular. Genera do not have careers, individuals do, and each person has his own portfolio of aptitudes and interests. You see clotting here and there for a variety of reasons (including the reason that it's in the subjects mind because he has friends and relations in that trade).


    For example, lots of Cambodians run donut shops.

    The number of black Americans in this country exceeds the number of ethnic Khmer by a factor of 125. I think that would tend to inhibit the development of odd little niches wherein prosperity is a function of trade knowledge passed around among cousins.

    As we speak, you have occupational niche development among blacks. Prior to 1940, blacks departed agricultural employment at rates similar to (but somewhat lower than) those which prevailed among whites. After 1940, the departure from agriculture was more rapid even than the steady clip manifest in the general population.

    What you've seen, and it is a persistent pattern, is a preference for employment where one-on-one personal services are provided. About 40% of the barbers in the United States are black. The lower grades of nursing (LPN and CNA) have a large black contingent. Nursing home employees of all stripes have a large black contingent. Home health aides are also commonly black.

    Several generations back, there was one trade union which had a black majority: it was the union which organized railway porters and allied personnel. In our own time, bus drivers are disproportionately black. So are postal employees, cab drivers, and messengers. So, you other pattern where transporting people and their communications (not shipping in general) is a black speciality.


    Another knot consists of junior grade security personnel: private security guards, bailiffs, jail guards, prison guards and the like.


    In and among salaried occupations, blacks tend to pool in the following areas: eligibility assessment, social work, probation and parole supervision, counseling, insurance adjusting, tax preparation, and HR. With some qualification, the common elements are work outside of the commercial sector and interacting with people (and interacting in less than pleasant circumstances).


    So, personal interaction, personal service, porting, these are the common elements of revealed preferences.

    Good comment. I think your final sentence is a very useful observation: “So, personal interaction, personal service, porting, these are the common elements of revealed preferences.”

    The problem I see with analyzing Steve’s questions–”What are promising careers to consider? What are careers to watch out for?”–is that there are so many possible metrics. For example:

    - Prevalence of blacks in a job (your metric). A good metric. Hard to say what would be the best time frame to look at. I think they all have problems (slavery, Jim Crow, affirmative action).

    - Good pay. Perhaps accompanied by considering prevalence and number of jobs available so you are not just picking up the top 0.01% of outcomes (e.g. athletes).

    - Job satisfaction. Any good data on this by race?

    - Relative ability/performance. This is a tough one. I suspect your prevalence data is a pretty good proxy for it. But I suspect all of the data is corrupted by affirmative action. I know for some people it is just about being paid, but I suspect Steve’s hypothetical competent person would be unhappy in a position where they are underperforming.

    - Customer (also fellow employee, manager, etc.) satisfaction. I suspect this one is a bit of an elephant in the room.

    This article has some good earnings and % black data by college major. Nursing stands out as you observed: http://www.takepart.com/article/2016/02/09/black-students-dont-pick-majors-high-paying-jobs
    Relevant to the original topic of conversation is that “Law and Public Policy” has the highest percentage black (15%) of the “major groupings” in their data.

    The report underlying that article is at https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/african-american-majors/
    The appendix has a list of 137 majors along with median earnings and both current (2016?) and 2009 earnings. I highly recommend anyone interested in this topic at least take a look at the report web page.

    It might be useful to compare to a more general (the full report is 214 pages!) 2015 report with the same lead author (but not broken down by race): https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/

    Some more links which may be of interest for this conversation:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/karstenstrauss/2016/05/03/highest-earning-college-majors-for-african-americans

    http://fortune.com/2016/12/05/best-workplaces-diversity-african-americans/

    https://thegrio.com/2009/12/04/jobs-that-work-for-african-americans/

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  88. res says:
    @Art Deco
    I don’t see anybody trying to answer Steve’s question,

    It's a bad question. Blacks would benefit from honest feedback from employers. The current regime in employment discrimination law militates against that. Also, our school systems are doing a horrible job in this respect (and a sloppy and inefficient job generally) at sorting the labor market. If you could clear out the enforced political patronage and systemic dishonesty, people will come closer to an optimum in their personal decision-making.

    It’s a bad question.

    I don’t know about this. It seems to me Steve’s question is a good way to frame one important part of an individual’s decision. Obviously individual traits also matter though.

    I strongly agree with the rest of your comment and think it warrants repeating:

    Blacks would benefit from honest feedback from employers. The current regime in employment discrimination law militates against that. Also, our school systems are doing a horrible job in this respect (and a sloppy and inefficient job generally) at sorting the labor market. If you could clear out the enforced political patronage and systemic dishonesty, people will come closer to an optimum in their personal decision-making.

    Well said. It would also improve the ability to find global (accounting for the effects on other people) optimums rather than just individual optimums.

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  89. @Anon
    Magic Negro.

    That should be a profession.

    Every institution and industry should hire Magic Negroes to offer some tainment.

    So, law firms don't need black lawyer. Just a magic negro to provide some fun in the workplace.

    Call the profession 'Vibrancer'

    Like 'Lilies of the Field'.

    It worked for Oprah. .

    Yes, Oprah. The cult is forming around her. Her followers are mostly liberal Whites, looking for redemption.

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    Oprah, yeh! President of the United States seems to be an opportunity for enterprising Blacks, now.
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  90. By analogy: https://www.autism.com/advocacy_grandin_job

    You could do worse than to start by recommending opposite jobs to blacks and autists.

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  91. Lugash says:

    Funny, I had some (white, upper middle class) high school seniors ask me for career advice the other day. My first answer was don’t ask for career advice from someone who’s had a checkered career like myself.

    The second was anything where you’re not chained to a computer 8+ hours a day. Or stuck in an office 8+ hours a day. I think this would go double or triple for AAs, pentuple fo men.

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    "... My first answer was don’t ask for career advice from someone who’s had a checkered career like myself."

    Seems to me that someone with a checkered career might have better advice than someone who (often mostly because of luck) has never taken a wrong step.
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  92. Anon7 says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Where did the very odd social goal of 'Diversity' come from? You would expect that schools, businesses, and most such institutions would all be chasing after the goal of 'Excellence' not 'Diversity'. I made a pretty good income for a while because I didn't value Diversity. I valued excellence.

    One of my last jobs before retirement was essentially to rehabilitate the information systems sector at a venture capital funded Internet start-up. One of my tasks was to hire programmers. If I were to have been in step with modern America I suppose I would have pursued greater diversity. I would have hired coders who couldn't code. In fact that was just what they had done. I fired those black coders who couldn't code. I hired some Asians.

    The term Diversity is a code word for hiring the stupid, although you get no brownie points for hiring stupid whites. The Social Justice Warriors assume that if you don't make special efforts to hire stupid blacks for positions for which they would not normally be considered qualified - there would be hardly any blacks in the modern workforce. This is the fear that haunts the liberal soul. I think they're right.

    Liberals fear that without Diversity no blacks will get hired for almost any job that requires talent and the social order will crumble from all the unemployed and disaffected blacks. All those dangerous young black men will hang out on the street corners all day long.

    So we now have made a virtue of hiring the stupid because we are afraid of the prospect of creating a black revolutionary mass movement composed of unemployables. Good luck.

    I worked at Ford in the early 1990’s, was stuck in a required diversity workshop. My department head, who was English, asked the question “Why Diversity?”, and was told that diverse teams produced a better result. He snorted, and asked which American company makes the best selling and best quality four door sedan? If you looked at the picture of their design team, and counted women and minorities, you could tell from that?

    The workshop presenter kind of hemmed and hawed.

    My department head said, actually it’s a trick question. The best selling car in America (at that time) was the Toyota Camry, whose design team was the least diverse you could imagine, Japanese males between 25 and 55. The workshop presenter, a black woman, kind of changed the subject, and the workshop continued. The fifty white male engineers sat quietly and kept their jobs, and the Diversity train rolled on.

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    I worked in government for many years. I did finance, budget and information systems. At one point I held the position of Administrative Officer. I spent most of my time supervising staff but I also inherited some odds and ends jobs. I was in charge for example for managing the thermostat. Carter had decreed that in the summer all government buildings would be too hot while in the winter they would be too cold. No one was ever happy so it was a real job to deal with all the disgruntled staff.

    But I also inherited the job of the Departmental Affirmative Action Officer. I suppose I was supposed to promote diversity. In fact I never did anything. Then one day they reassigned those responsibilities to a black guy. He never did anything either. Good. I went back to my important work - defending the agency against the auditors, finding more money in the declining budget so we could avoid layoffs and monitoring the thermostat.
    , @Truth
    The best selling car in America (at that time) was the Toyota Camry, whose design team was the least diverse you could imagine, Japanese males between 25 and 55. ...The fifty white male engineers sat quietly and kept their jobs,

    I guess they should have fired the whites and hired Japs?
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  93. JMcG says:
    @Aristippus
    I've never heard about Japanese restaurants being Korean owned, but there are lots that are Chinese owned. I have a Chinese friend whose parents run a sushi joint in Florida and I asked them once why they opened a Japanese restaurant instead of a Chinese restaurant. Their reasoning was that the margins are higher and people will generally spend more money on California rolls and seaweed salad than General Tso's chicken and egg rolls.

    Bricklaying and masonry used to be good careers for blacks in the construction industry. I've heard people say that foreman would hire blacks for those jobs because their "natural rhythm" made them really good workers. Blacks don't seem nearly as interested in construction these days, so it's mostly older white guys doing the skilled trade work and younger Hispanics in the more physically demanding roles. I've heard the industry doesn't know what's going to happen when all of baby boomer tradesmen age out of the workforce.

    I was working one day in a black neighborhood. I was operating the truck we were using. There was a young guy standing on his front porch watching me who said “How do I get your job?” When I pointed at the two guys using the shovels and said,”By starting out there.” he shook his head and said F**k that S**t!
    I think there is a cultural bias against any manual labor now. The tree trimmers and landscapers here are becoming universally Mexican/Central American.

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  94. BB753 says:

    The sad thing, Steve, is that Blacks have already found their niche in society. Affirmative hires and leeches at the top end, parasitic subsistence at the bottom, living off the government and indulging in petty theft and drug distribution. That’s your Great Society for you!

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  95. Anon7 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?

    Nancy Pelosi: Trump's border wall is too high and 'obnoxious'

    Interesting article, she said two things of interest to me.

    First, she asked if civilized people needed this sort of thing (a wall)? Well, obviously, I think that you might need a wall to keep the uncivilized people out.

    She also said, in effect, that the wall divides a single community. Really? San Diego and Tijuana are one community? El Paso and Juarez are one community? No, I don’t think so.

    I think it’s better to know details about your opponent, it’s not enough to just think they’re crazy.

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  96. They specialize in civil service jobs and in government jobs in general. Post office, DMV, government clerical, public works, bailiffs, detention facilities, and public school teachers and administration. Blacks are underrepresented in employment in general but overrepresented in government employment, often by a large percentage.

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  97. Anon7 says:

    Steve, I can’t believe anyone has published on this topic, because everyone in academia knows the answer: blacks are the same as anybody else, and the only reason that 12% of every occupation isn’t black is systemic racism (all you white guys must hang your heads, tighten your metal cilice, and flog yourselves with a braided whip for not less than two minutes).

    During my time at Ford, I started to think that, as a white male engineering company being forced to practice diversity, they were trying to figure out what blacks were good for, like you’d try to figure out what steel was good for, what aluminum was good for, etc. Based on what I saw, I think they concluded that blacks would be good at personnel issues, and that’s where I saw the only concentrations of blacks.

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  98. “Have you ever considered a career in crime?”

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  99. Weaver1 says:

    Dentistry isn’t a difficult field, so far as I’m aware. That hasn’t been mentioned.

    Blacks seem to excel at diversity jobs, especially jobs where they talk about racism as a job… This society intentionally keeps blacks poor via mass immigration, then they’re told to blame whites. The powers-that-be want blacks poor and angry at whites.

    So, it’s great to want to help, but I don’t expect blacks would be allowed to improve their lot. Instead the mass immigration, harmful mass culture, and bad trade policies are likely to continue.

    I disagree with an above poster that sales is a good profession for blacks. Maybe white women and some blacks would want to hear from a black salesman, but I doubt others would. I can’t say I know much about selling life insurance and used cars though…

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  100. Steve,

    I remember you writing a while back that Blacks should go into sales. I agree.

    Sales jobs require extroversion, confidence, and can be somewhat verbally charming in their own way.

    Other good jobs are linked to the government, like working in a post office or something like that. In the school districts I am in, there are a lot of black para professionals, although they are better suited to being hall monitors and the like roles, in which they get yell at bad behaving (mostly black) kids.

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    I meant, Blacks can be verbally charming in their own way.
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  101. Ed says:
    @ic1000
    Important question, generally undiscussed for obvious reasons. The Watson/Wax/etc. treatment, pour encourager les autres.

    Steve observes that Law celebrates Diversity at the lower rungs, then segues to ruthlessly meritocratic as you approach the top. In my experience, that’s characteristic of many STEM career tracks as well. E.g. it’s hard to run a lab on a succession of NSF or NIH grants.

    Steve’s Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police isn’t terribly concerned about lifetime career satisfaction of its beneficiaries. Kind of like feminists.

    Careers that urbane whites want are going to be ruthlessly competitive and at best offer token lip service to diversity. The minute Annie Pittford or Abraham Cohen loses out on a spot to Tyrone Washington look out.

    The legal profession overall has a scant number of blacks about 5% overall. Similar percentages for the medical and engineering professions. Even journalism which is has more room to be subjective than the professions I mentioned has very few blacks at the elite level.

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  102. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Male blacks had no careers in Africa except for hunting. They left all the work to women. The ones who farmed plots or made crafts or who sold things at market booths were female. Male blacks didn’t evolve for anything else except for prowling around and attacking, which is exactly what they do today in the US. They go walkabout at all hours and assault random strangers for their stuff.

    You can’t get work out of them except by hard coercion, either by enslavement or by cutting off all welfare to force them to labor or starve.

    We need to push sterilization a lot harder at abortion clinics.

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    American blacks are our fellow citizens, anon. They deserve fair treatment.

    The new elites learning and practicing noblesse oblige would be much better for blacks (and non-top-10% non-blacks) than the policies you suggest.
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  103. @Return of Shawn
    Steve,

    I remember you writing a while back that Blacks should go into sales. I agree.

    Sales jobs require extroversion, confidence, and can be somewhat verbally charming in their own way.

    Other good jobs are linked to the government, like working in a post office or something like that. In the school districts I am in, there are a lot of black para professionals, although they are better suited to being hall monitors and the like roles, in which they get yell at bad behaving (mostly black) kids.

    I meant, Blacks can be verbally charming in their own way.

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  104. Ed says:
    @International Jew
    Once again, I'm impressed with how well Steve learned his stuff long ago in MBA school; here he is 35 years later asking about comparative advantage. Which is exactly the right question to be asking.

    My answer: law is still the way to go. That ruthless up-or-out culture might be what rules law firms, but it sure isn't the MO in government. And government needs lots of lawyers. Even where it's not a requirement, knowing something about law must be helpful in any bureaucracy.

    Another one: money management. Specifically, to sponge up money that's looking for a "diverse" money manager. Just hire a competent tax guy and you're good to go, because otherwise picking winning stocks is 99% luck. Charisma and bullshit are the other 99%.

    Unfortunately since blacks have a low trust culture, Black money managers and finance professionals tend to rip off their black clientele.

    One thing that goes unmentioned in all of the “blacks were victimized by subprime stories” is that often times the predators were black. They often met their realtor, mortgage broker etc. at church or through a friend who told them what to put on the application to get approved.

    Even tax prep has become a running scam in the hood. They charge $250+ to low income people who could get it done free by charity or even the IRS office if one is in their city.

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  105. Yan Shen says:

    Steve, isn’t it uh obvious what black men should specialize in?

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  106. Deckin says:

    It’s actually a weird question. ‘What should A tend to ___?’ is logically strange. It mixes a question about values (what should someone want) into a question of fact (what do they tend to do). By doing that, it weakens the question. One ends up not asking what should someone do, but what should they tend to do. After all, what X does; what X should do; and what X should tend to do could all be different things.

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  107. Ed says:
    @prosa123
    Not just school administration, but teaching in general is a reasonably well-paying job which attracts a significant percentage of blacks.

    About 85% of teachers in this country are white. Blacks are actually underrepresented in the teaching profession at around 7%.

    I was stunned when I came across this stat. Living in the DC area I come across many black teachers but evidently they’re a small minority overall. Teachers often have to be certified through tests and here too blacks struggle.

    The worst thing that happened to Blacks was WEB DuBois. Should have went the Booker T. route.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/black-teachers-public-schools-education-system-philadelphia/

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    I remember reading an article several years ago about the toll integration took on black teachers and administrators. Most of the teachers that were kept, and nearly all the principals, were white after schools were combined. Assistant Principal seemed to be the only administrative position that was basically reserved for blacks. Most these had previously been principals at black schools. I had black assistant principals at both my high school and junior high school. Their main job seemed to be discipline for the rowdy boys.
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  108. @International Jew
    Teaching. Not a shoot-for-the-stars kind of career, but a sure bet for a middle class life. For a presentable and nonthreatening black person, teaching is also a ticket to living and working among whites. You can be the trophy black teacher at a fancy New England boarding school out in the Berkshires or something, inspiring well-behaved kids by day and banging all the nice white lady teachers by night.

    If being around whites is what you want. And if you don't, then as a black your survivability in a ghetto school — play out the stand-and-deliver dream for a while, before you take that job at Andover — is a comparative advantage.

    What not to do:

    Don't do engineering. When stuff breaks, it's too obvious.

    Don't do medicine. Only the most idiotically deluded white people will entrust a suspected affirmative action case with their health. Likewise smart black people (and stupid black people, like stupid white people, don't go to MDs anyway, they go to quacks like chiropractors). You might have a chance as an emergency room doctor, since your patients won't have a choice or they'll come in unconscious.

    “Don’t do engineering. When stuff breaks, it’s too obvious.”

    I’m just typing this mostly for my own satisfaction, as my comments often never get approved by the moderators here. I don’t know; maybe it’s my handle.

    Anyway, engineering has been my profession for nearly 40 years, and I can speak to this. I’ve never known a standout engineer, designer, or “drafter” (computer operator nowadays) who was black. Most ranged from competent to incompetent. Most would never have kept their jobs had they been white. There have been a handful of exceptions, one in particular comes to mind, a designer I’d rank as my equal. He was culturally white, though, and didn’t exhibit any traits most people normally associate with blacks. He was bright, responsible, quiet, and loved good red wines and good cigars. He was raising the children of his sister, along with his own children, as his sister died in a tornado. He was devoted to his wife and family.

    Most owe their careers to AA, and know it. While most work middling hard, and do an acceptable job, there are always those who know they stand very little chance of getting fired, and tend to come in late and leave early every day, and produce very little actual work.

    I worked for a small firm once that had exactly one black employee, an electrical engineer. He was quiet, and kept to himself, for the most part. I have no idea of the quality or quantity of his work, but it really didn’t matter. His department head once admitted to me that all this guy HAD to do was show up most days. The dept. head seemed content with his work, and once remarked that the black engineer was in a position to write his own ticket.

    At the company where I work now, we had a black office manager once, responsible for all engineering and construction performed out of this one office, one of the largest in the very large company. He called himself the token executive. He knew he held the job because he had the bare minimum qualifications and was also black. He laughed himself to the bank, and to a nice retirement. We shared the same surname, but I never asked about his background to discover whether my ancestors may once have owned his. I didn’t think it would have been good to know if they had.

    My industry has always been diverse and multicultural. My first job was in freaking Kansas, and we had black, Saudi, dot Indian, Thai, and Vietnamese engineers and drafters. I went from there to the mountains of Virginia, and shared an office with a Thai Chinese. He was ethnically Chinese, but his grandparents moved to Thailand before he was born. His surname was Veravanachapatana. It was properly pronounced “Where-wanna-witch-a-pat-a-na, but the craft people pronounced it, “Vera-vanna-chappa-tanna.”

    I remember, not so long ago, we used to focus on excellence, and continuous improvement. Now we focus on diversity and inclusion. We don’t sell diversity, but you’d think it was our chief product, judging from corporate literature and articles. Every day is a celebration of diversity, while the white guys work harder to make sure things get done, and don’t break.

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    One of my psychology professors was a bright, lively black lady named McCain whose great-great-grandfather was a slave of Senator John McCain's great-great-grandfather. John's brother Joe has been to the "black McCain" family reunion.
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  109. @Ed
    About 85% of teachers in this country are white. Blacks are actually underrepresented in the teaching profession at around 7%.

    I was stunned when I came across this stat. Living in the DC area I come across many black teachers but evidently they’re a small minority overall. Teachers often have to be certified through tests and here too blacks struggle.

    The worst thing that happened to Blacks was WEB DuBois. Should have went the Booker T. route.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/black-teachers-public-schools-education-system-philadelphia/

    I remember reading an article several years ago about the toll integration took on black teachers and administrators. Most of the teachers that were kept, and nearly all the principals, were white after schools were combined. Assistant Principal seemed to be the only administrative position that was basically reserved for blacks. Most these had previously been principals at black schools. I had black assistant principals at both my high school and junior high school. Their main job seemed to be discipline for the rowdy boys.

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  110. There’s not, however, a lot of advice for young blacks that maybe law isn’t what they are looking for.

    I gave precisely this advice to a neighbor/friend–one of the Eagle scouts whose scouting overlapped with my son’s trail and my tenure as Scoutmaster. Earlier he’d taken flying lessons and been interested in being a pilot–at least a plausible fit–but was getting interested in becoming a lawyer. I had a sit down with him and pointed out that this wasn’t as pictured on TV, but involved a lot of reading and writing, not exactly this young man’s strong points. (He hasn’t really settled into a particular career yet–he’s still young–but at least isn’t trying to pursue some heavily academic track like law.)

    BTW–a lot of commenters are giving very good advice. Contra the nonsense that you hear, there’s actually a ton of opportunity in America for blacks who are anywhere near average intelligence and willing to be diligent and a friendly, rather than angry, black to have a very comfortable middle class life. The problem we have is a lot of blacks are really stupid, and mass immigration of Mexicans (etc.) has really destroyed working class job prospects and wages, especially for marginal workers which a lot of blacks are going to be.

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  111. Lot says:

    Lots of good comments above, can’t find any to argue with today!

    In terms of comparitive advantage for average US blacks:

    jobs that involve heat and sun exposure

    elementary education, daycare, youth sports

    Clothing store sales clerk

    Police and security guard

    Criminal court judge

    Nighttime jobs involving higher risk of crime, like solo overnight gas station attendant.

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  112. whorefinder says: • Website

    Blacks used to have careers they specialized in: Pullman porters on railroad cars. IIRC, they were well-organized and managed to pull off a huge strike that was national news back the late 19th/early 20th century. The Pullman porter position was esteemed, and many whites who lived far away from blacks only encountered them on trains, where the porters were uber-polite and refined. Malcolm X talked about blacks working on trains in his autobiography.

    A lot of blacks were drawn to jobs at Greyhound bus as well as drivers.

    So it seems blacks might be good at job that combine service industry with travel, but one where they are not in charge of anything beyond a few specific tasks (serve the customer food, put away his clothes, drive the bus from point A to point B, help with luggage). And the travel helps to relieve their boredom at the tasks(always a new city to party in), while they might otherwise get surly and lazy if they weren’t traveling.

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  113. ideal situation is for blacks to have their own country; that way they would not have to suffer all the humiliations of being the shortest straw in the cultural drink. having said that, I think blacks are natural salesmen, so I’d urge your (renormed) 1100 SAT taker to perhaps try pharma or car sales. real estate and social work are also good careers for blacks. And if they get some help, I see no reason why they couldn’t try opening their own business.

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  114. Lot says:
    @Aristippus
    I've never heard about Japanese restaurants being Korean owned, but there are lots that are Chinese owned. I have a Chinese friend whose parents run a sushi joint in Florida and I asked them once why they opened a Japanese restaurant instead of a Chinese restaurant. Their reasoning was that the margins are higher and people will generally spend more money on California rolls and seaweed salad than General Tso's chicken and egg rolls.

    Bricklaying and masonry used to be good careers for blacks in the construction industry. I've heard people say that foreman would hire blacks for those jobs because their "natural rhythm" made them really good workers. Blacks don't seem nearly as interested in construction these days, so it's mostly older white guys doing the skilled trade work and younger Hispanics in the more physically demanding roles. I've heard the industry doesn't know what's going to happen when all of baby boomer tradesmen age out of the workforce.

    “so it’s mostly older white guys doing the skilled trade work and younger Hispanics in the more physically demanding roles. ”

    Yes. The younger white skilled workers are often immigrants from Europe or whitish Cubans/South Americans.

    Last two electricians I dealt with were both under 40 and from the former East Germany and Bosnia. Tesla hired a bunch of temps and flew them in from central europe for six months to build its cleanrooms for battery production.

    A licensed electrician around here can easily clear about $125,000. That is so much more than wages in most of Europe, we could bring in a lot more skilled immigrants if we bothered to create programs for them instead of focusing on Somalis and Salvadorians, who Trump still has not ended their TPS status.

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  115. Zach says:

    Hamdi Ulukaya, an Anatolian Kurd, started Chobani Yogurt in the USA, which is now the most popular brand of “Greek” yogurt. Ulukaya made a fortune in the USA producing a food that most Turkish citizens make themselves every year.

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    Kurds make good yogurt.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Yes, we all watch 60 Minutes.
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  116. @Lugash
    Funny, I had some (white, upper middle class) high school seniors ask me for career advice the other day. My first answer was don't ask for career advice from someone who's had a checkered career like myself.

    The second was anything where you're not chained to a computer 8+ hours a day. Or stuck in an office 8+ hours a day. I think this would go double or triple for AAs, pentuple fo men.

    “… My first answer was don’t ask for career advice from someone who’s had a checkered career like myself.”

    Seems to me that someone with a checkered career might have better advice than someone who (often mostly because of luck) has never taken a wrong step.

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  117. Zach says:

    I don’t if it’s true for the rest of the USA, but the shoe repair business seems to be dominated by Russians and Ukrainians in the northwest.

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  118. anon. says:

    I have practiced law for 15 years and can confirm that this statement is, um, overly charitable: “The legal profession therefore offers a fair amount of affirmative action at its lower rungs, but affirmative action runs out toward the top: there’s not much affirmative action for making partner.” The affirmative action leverage at the partner level is perhaps even MORE intense than it is at the lower rungs. There are a lot of reasons for this. Here are two of the biggies:

    1. Express affirmative action at the corporate client level. Most Fortune 500 companies will not even consider a law firm pitch unless at least one of the partners on the case is going to be a woman or minority (and they can be rather expressively rude about this, too – many in-house counsel who do the hiring are women, because the hours are better, so they are very personally committed to the diversity racket). So, law firms need affirmative action partners to get business in the door. It’s true, though, that more of these affirmative action spots go to white women than blacks or other “people of color.” But if you’re a competent African American, you do not have to worry about making “the business case” for partner. The business case is made.

    2. The mentorship/diversity pipeline. From day one, the message to affirmative action hires at law firms is that the firm is committed to their success and their “retention.” There are committees to make sure of this, mentorship programs that pair them with senior partners in their diversity category. If you break up the partnership criteria as 1/3 talent, 1/3 aforementioned “business case,” and 1/3 personal connections, then the affirmative action hires have not only the business case but the personal connections already taken care of for them, on account of all the lunches, dinners, retreats, etc. etc. that are never accorded to white males, for whom the firms make no effort whatsoever to invest in their “retention” or professional success.

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    I know many Big Law partners who tell me that blacks rarely have the talent to do complex legal work. While some make partner due to the circumstances you list, few have anything to do with the success of the firm. Affirmative action is social parasitism--and social parasitism is what HBDers should be addressing, not "affirmative action."
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  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Speaking of code words and terms designed to obscure the truth. I will briefly mention a truth so terrible that no news organization dares to speak of it.

    We have a continuing gun crisis in America. I'll tell you why.

    People buy guns to shoot negroes.

    You would think that people buy guns for target shooting or hunting. But no. The Pew study of gun ownership motivations shows that today people buy guns for home defense. And they are not afraid of a home invasion by elderly Chinese women.

    Pistols maybe, but rifle owners tend to live in areas with few blacks.

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    I'm not just making this stuff up. I could probably find the real reference or you could just trust me. I'm not saying anything implausible. There was an article last year all over the web from Pew Research. They reported that while until quite recently most respondents to the question had formerly responded that they kept firearms for hunting, now people were reporting that they keep guns for home defense.

    I think that means negroes.

    If you hear a bump inn the night and go to your front door you probably will carry a pistol. I have a Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W for just that purpose. But when there is a big riot or natural disaster a pistol is probably the wrong tool. At the Rodney King riots and the Ferguson riots guys defended their neighborhoods with long guns.

    I don't think its geography so much as it is having the room. If you need to face the bad guys outside a rifle or a shotgun makes sense. But in a house or apartment you may not have the space to maneuver. Or at least that's my opinion.

    I live in Oakland California and I also have a rifle (30-06 Remington) and a tactical 12 gauge. My pistol cost a good deal of money but my long guns were cheap. I went to the range a few weeks ago to practice with my pistol but I've never even shot my rifle or shot gun. Oakland is an earth quake zone there's a good chance we will get a shake and have some civil disorder thereafter. I also have some canned food and some water in containers. I don't have much in the way of 'prepping' but I bought a cheap gun safe and two cheap long guns. I may die before the 'Big One' hits or I may die when it hits. It's cheap to take precautions.
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  120. George says:

    Wouldn’t an IQ advocate suggest not categorizing people by race, and target people by IQ.

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    Wouldn’t an IQ advocate suggest not categorizing people by race, and target people by IQ.
     
    What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?
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  121. I’m a career counselor at a majority-black high school in a large city on the West Coast. My job is to guide hundreds of students a year—some of whom I will meet only for a few minutes—toward jobs that will reward and sustain them, personally AND financially, for their whole lives. It can be difficult, emotionally draining work.

    Without exception, I encourage my students to pursue rapping.

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  122. @anon.
    I have practiced law for 15 years and can confirm that this statement is, um, overly charitable: "The legal profession therefore offers a fair amount of affirmative action at its lower rungs, but affirmative action runs out toward the top: there’s not much affirmative action for making partner." The affirmative action leverage at the partner level is perhaps even MORE intense than it is at the lower rungs. There are a lot of reasons for this. Here are two of the biggies:

    1. Express affirmative action at the corporate client level. Most Fortune 500 companies will not even consider a law firm pitch unless at least one of the partners on the case is going to be a woman or minority (and they can be rather expressively rude about this, too - many in-house counsel who do the hiring are women, because the hours are better, so they are very personally committed to the diversity racket). So, law firms need affirmative action partners to get business in the door. It's true, though, that more of these affirmative action spots go to white women than blacks or other "people of color." But if you're a competent African American, you do not have to worry about making "the business case" for partner. The business case is made.

    2. The mentorship/diversity pipeline. From day one, the message to affirmative action hires at law firms is that the firm is committed to their success and their "retention." There are committees to make sure of this, mentorship programs that pair them with senior partners in their diversity category. If you break up the partnership criteria as 1/3 talent, 1/3 aforementioned "business case," and 1/3 personal connections, then the affirmative action hires have not only the business case but the personal connections already taken care of for them, on account of all the lunches, dinners, retreats, etc. etc. that are never accorded to white males, for whom the firms make no effort whatsoever to invest in their "retention" or professional success.

    I know many Big Law partners who tell me that blacks rarely have the talent to do complex legal work. While some make partner due to the circumstances you list, few have anything to do with the success of the firm. Affirmative action is social parasitism–and social parasitism is what HBDers should be addressing, not “affirmative action.”

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  123. Hubbub says:

    Has anybody ever published on the topic?

    What’s to publish?

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  124. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    It’s really infuriating that there are entire hack law schools, like New York Law School, or Cooley in Michigan, that seem to think they are “helping” minorities by enticing some of them into taking on 100s of K in debt to either fail the bar exam, or get a minor, paper-pushing job that will never get them out of debt. “Increase outreach to under-served communities” seems to be the slogan. The joke is that the tiny # that actually pass the bar need to do anything but “serve the community’ since they need the high-paying corporate jobs to make ends meet. As so often the case, one asks, are GoodWhites delusional, or hypocritical?

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  125. Hubbub says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?

    Nancy Pelosi: Trump's border wall is too high and 'obnoxious'

    Not so OT as you may think. These are the questions to ask Black aspirants before they enter a trade or university.

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?

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  126. Chebyshev says:

    That is definitely a worthwhile area of study.

    Has there been a decline in the number of Afro-Caribbean baseball players in MLB?

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  127. res says:
    @George
    Wouldn't an IQ advocate suggest not categorizing people by race, and target people by IQ.

    Wouldn’t an IQ advocate suggest not categorizing people by race, and target people by IQ.

    What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?

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    "What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?"

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What's Black got to do with it? Ben Carson seems to be a legit brain surgeon, what career should he have chosen based on being black?
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  128. @Anonymous
    Blacks have already carved out a niche in the sports and entertainment industry because they are more creative and athletic than whites.

    The ones who don't make it to the top can still use their talent to make it in other careers. The best pharmaceutical rep I have ever seen was a black woman because she was uber charismatic like Ali was.

    I would be more concerned about what niche prole white people are going to carve out. Jews have already carved out their niche in finance, entertainment, and law. The very top of Anglos are similarly skilled in these fields. But what about non Jew whites?

    Gentile whites have a lower iq than Asians so a lot of whites have been pushed out of the heavy iq fields in STEM. Gentile whites are not as creative so they are pushed out of athletic and entertainment endeavors. So whites are kind of in an awkward spit where they are decent in a lot of areas but not the best at anything.

    So the main avenue I see for a non Jewish white niche are government jobs like government teachers and administrators. Also marketing to other white people like Instagram models. But other than that, whites don't have an advantage against anybody.

    based on your comment I’d guess you’re an angry black male. But get your facts right–Northeast Asians are only a little smarter on quantitative skills; whites are smarter on verbal tests, and since high verbal IQ is associated with producing great civilizations like the European, you have to ask yourself, Did Meretricious just make me his little bitch? LOL

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  129. @Anon
    I have no doubt you’ll get many comments to this end-but blacks do very well in military service. At the beginning, romotion is greatly aided by eg how fast you can run (where black athleticism really comes in handy) and at the end of a career there are affirmative action preferences right to the very highest echelons. By law, a fixed number of E8 and E9 (the highest enlisted [“blue collar track”] slots) are set aside for minorities.
    And blacks self select into fields like supply, so the obvious hazards of military service apply less to them. Bad backs and blown off legs are much rarer in the rear.
    Lastly, it’s a job where blacks can actually do good work and shine. At the highest levels, the army enlisted side is basically HR manager, listening to the complaints of the workin’ man and trying to shield “his” guys from the over ambitious plans of the officer class. This is a realistic goal

    Yeah, the Army seems like an organization that blacks figured out a long time ago they could do well in. Of course, the fact that more than few blacks are sensibly following their more reliable relatives into the Army just ups the pressure on the Navy and Air Force to get more blacks.

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  130. I actually did write about this: The Available Pool:

    I made some predictions before looking at the data:

    Blacks would be a higher percentage of elementary/middle school teachers than of high school teachers. I couldn’t sort out academic teachers from special ed and PE teachers, and I wasn’t sure whether sped teachers would be included in the count. But given the easier licensure test, I was betting the percentage would be higher.

    There would be more black school administrators than black high school teachers.

    The ratio of black lawyers and doctors to black high school teachers would be higher than the ratio of white lawyers and doctors to white high school teachers (in absolute numbers).

    The ratio of black social workers to black teachers would be much higher than the same ratio for white teachers.

    I got a lot right–wrong on 3, but mainly because I didn’t understand how frigging many white lawyers we have.

    What the data suggests is that from a cognitive perspective, blacks prefer medicine to teaching and teaching to law.

    I suggested then, and still do, that anyone wanting to improve the representation of black in highly cognitive fields do the following:

    Create a k-3 teaching credential with lower cognitive standards and persuade a lot of black social workers to become teachers.

    Encourage black ES teachers with any skill in math to get an algebra only math credential (something many states offer).

    Push for a more practical hands on law-degree. The LSAT is one of the hardest verbal tests in existence and it’s speed-based. The LSAT reading section is brutal. It’s getting harder and harder to find data, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the black-white gap on the LSAT and ACT were wider than the one on the SAT, simply because the old SAT particularly had much more generous time requirements.

    However, the LSAT is a great indicator of how one will do in law school, because law school is an intensely abstract, highly verbal exercise that is widely acknowledged to do very little to prepare one for lawyering, and much more likely to prepare one for being a judge. As law school gets more and more competitive for whites, the average class ability level is increasingly above the average black law school graduate. But that doesn’t mean they’d be terrible lawyers. Johnny Cochrane probably wasn’t a great intellect, but he was a brilliant tactician who used facts on the ground very well.

    So a more practice-based law school–and for that matter, a more practice-based med school, might do more to bring in people with decent skills but not great intellect. Something that will be increasingly useful not just for blacks.

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    IIRC, it used to be possible to qualify as a lawyer via apprenticeship in some states, though I suppose the bar exam would still be a hurdle.
    , @ScarletNumber

    education realist: Johnny Cochrane [sic] probably wasn’t a great intellect, but he was a brilliant tactician who used facts on the ground very well.
     
    It helped that Johnnie Cochran proved the adage that black don't crack. He was 58 the day OJ was found not guilty. Of course, those youthful looks didn't do him any good 10 years later. I don't believe in karma, but if I did...
    , @Anonymous
    There are law schools that have the reputation of being glorified bar review courses. Southwestern has a bit of that odor about it. It's more teach to the test than, say, Berkeley Law. But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.
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  131. @International Jew
    Once again, I'm impressed with how well Steve learned his stuff long ago in MBA school; here he is 35 years later asking about comparative advantage. Which is exactly the right question to be asking.

    My answer: law is still the way to go. That ruthless up-or-out culture might be what rules law firms, but it sure isn't the MO in government. And government needs lots of lawyers. Even where it's not a requirement, knowing something about law must be helpful in any bureaucracy.

    Another one: money management. Specifically, to sponge up money that's looking for a "diverse" money manager. Just hire a competent tax guy and you're good to go, because otherwise picking winning stocks is 99% luck. Charisma and bullshit are the other 99%.

    …picking winning stocks is 99% luck. Charisma and bullshit are the other 99%.

    Having been there and done that, I agree with you 99% + 99% = 198%.

    As a seller of mutual funds in the ever-upward market of the 1990′s, I had lots of happy customers, and then it dawned on me that the S&P 500 index was beating the managers of most of the funds I was representing. Over time, rising and falling tides were raising and lowering all boats.

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  132. AndrewR says:
    @Nico
    One thing liberals don’t seem to grasp is that if a Coalition of the Fringes can be formed around antipathy to whitey, a Coalition of the Furious can also be formed around Negro Fatigue if this goes on too long. There is a reason why Asians and Hispanics trend 25 to 40 percent Republican in recent elections instead of blacks’ 6 to 11 percent despite everything and if the pattern of ebb-and-flow swings just a bit to the right due to some nasty and uncontainable events popping out at the wrong time, it could cost Democrats a close election. We are well past 1992 and the jungle-people antics that burst forth post-Rodney King are not going to shock the sympathies of (admittedly the fewer and fewer remaining) independent and undecided voters.

    While white nationalists and most leftists generally frame everything in a “white vs nonwhite” way, the most natural schism is probably black vs nonblack. As the US becomes less white, we will probably see the latter schism become more prominent.

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    It’s probably somewhat more complicated than that. In Britain “Asian” is often synonymous with “subcontinental” and Pakis in particular are definitely not coming out away from the fringes, nor are other Muslims across Europe.

    But of course America’s ethnic headaches are largely non-Islamic (apart from a few nasty terrorist attacks which of course can and should be dealt with more forcefully). Without the relentless victimhood glorification that is so in vogue Asians in America *might* conceivably be solidly right-wing (though this is not certain).

    Hispanics I would argue are something of a wild card. You look at Miami, for example: there are lots of troublemakers but there is also a decent supply of dependable folks, if one is willing to look for them. True, the dependable folks are often but by no means always of entirely or mostly European stock, but the troublemakers (unless with “troublemakers” you count whiny pseudo-intellectuals and professional ethnic cheerleaders, and perhaps we ought to) are definitely *not* on the white side of the mestizo and mulatto spectra, if you get my drift.

    I do think you are on to something but I haven’t yet hit on a “template” that provides an accurate guiding light for an optimal coalition in the inevitable upcoming mêlées. For now I focus my attention on countering the ruthless intersectionalist propaganda and inviting the adversary to face his cognitive dissonances, within of course the modest means that I have to do so.

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  133. denjae says:

    ” . . . have any social scientists ever honestly studied which careers tend to work out better for blacks of a certain level?”

    Why not make that “better for anybody at any level.”

    How about?

    Johnson – O’Connor Research Foundation. Aptitude testing and research since 1922.

    (A worth-while experience, decades ago. Not other-wise associated with them.)

    Oriented toward intelligently choosing occupational pursuits (and associated educational pursuits.)

    They now have almost 100 years of testing and likely lots of later-life info on participants.

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  134. Diners here in the Northeast all seem to be owned and operated by Greek families. They run great businesses, but they don’t know how to cook hash browns. Every place around here shovels some shit they call “home fries.” I guess it takes an ethnic monopoly to screw up fried potatoes.

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  135. @Anonymous
    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students. We had one scholarship after another devoted to blacks. It was sort of embarrassing for them, but they were smart enough to take the money anyway.

    Then one day someone questioned whether it might be doing them a disservice to entice them into a profession with notoriously low pay and long hours. They were as rare as hen's teeth once I made it out into the "Big Leagues" of famous New York firms. What was common were wealthy white people who didn't need their paychecks.

    And they were hard-working, mind you. Evenings and weekends year-round. Try and compete with that, coming from a modest background. Not a smart move for a first generation anything.

    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students.

    Right. Architecture is not a good career for building wealth in time for the next generation.

    Famous, rich architects usually tend to be extremely old. Here in Los Angeles, the most famous architect is Frank Gehry, who will be turning 90 next year.

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    and Gehry IMO is the most overrated living architect, more even than Rem Koolhaas and IM Pei
    , @Anonymous
    "Famous, rich architects usually tend to be extremely old."

    They also tend to be extremely few.

    Gehry was born Frank Goldberg, btw.

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  136. AndrewR says:
    @RebelWriter
    "Don’t do engineering. When stuff breaks, it’s too obvious."

    I'm just typing this mostly for my own satisfaction, as my comments often never get approved by the moderators here. I don't know; maybe it's my handle.

    Anyway, engineering has been my profession for nearly 40 years, and I can speak to this. I've never known a standout engineer, designer, or "drafter" (computer operator nowadays) who was black. Most ranged from competent to incompetent. Most would never have kept their jobs had they been white. There have been a handful of exceptions, one in particular comes to mind, a designer I'd rank as my equal. He was culturally white, though, and didn't exhibit any traits most people normally associate with blacks. He was bright, responsible, quiet, and loved good red wines and good cigars. He was raising the children of his sister, along with his own children, as his sister died in a tornado. He was devoted to his wife and family.

    Most owe their careers to AA, and know it. While most work middling hard, and do an acceptable job, there are always those who know they stand very little chance of getting fired, and tend to come in late and leave early every day, and produce very little actual work.

    I worked for a small firm once that had exactly one black employee, an electrical engineer. He was quiet, and kept to himself, for the most part. I have no idea of the quality or quantity of his work, but it really didn't matter. His department head once admitted to me that all this guy HAD to do was show up most days. The dept. head seemed content with his work, and once remarked that the black engineer was in a position to write his own ticket.

    At the company where I work now, we had a black office manager once, responsible for all engineering and construction performed out of this one office, one of the largest in the very large company. He called himself the token executive. He knew he held the job because he had the bare minimum qualifications and was also black. He laughed himself to the bank, and to a nice retirement. We shared the same surname, but I never asked about his background to discover whether my ancestors may once have owned his. I didn't think it would have been good to know if they had.

    My industry has always been diverse and multicultural. My first job was in freaking Kansas, and we had black, Saudi, dot Indian, Thai, and Vietnamese engineers and drafters. I went from there to the mountains of Virginia, and shared an office with a Thai Chinese. He was ethnically Chinese, but his grandparents moved to Thailand before he was born. His surname was Veravanachapatana. It was properly pronounced "Where-wanna-witch-a-pat-a-na, but the craft people pronounced it, "Vera-vanna-chappa-tanna."

    I remember, not so long ago, we used to focus on excellence, and continuous improvement. Now we focus on diversity and inclusion. We don't sell diversity, but you'd think it was our chief product, judging from corporate literature and articles. Every day is a celebration of diversity, while the white guys work harder to make sure things get done, and don't break.

    One of my psychology professors was a bright, lively black lady named McCain whose great-great-grandfather was a slave of Senator John McCain’s great-great-grandfather. John’s brother Joe has been to the “black McCain” family reunion.

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  137. George says:
    @res

    Wouldn’t an IQ advocate suggest not categorizing people by race, and target people by IQ.
     
    What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?

    “What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?”

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What’s Black got to do with it? Ben Carson seems to be a legit brain surgeon, what career should he have chosen based on being black?

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    ". . . what career should he have chosen based on being black?"

    Interior designer? High end furniture store buyer?
    , @James B. Shearer
    "Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. ... "

    Many possible reasons.

    Different intellectual strengths and weaknesses. People with the same IQ can have a different distribution of abilities (math versus verbal for example).

    Other traits. IQ is not the only important trait.

    Family support. Some careers require a bigger initial investment.

    Cultural factors. Different cultures may favor different professions or types of work (white collar versus blue collar for example).

    Employer (and customer) preference. Some employers (or customers) may be prejudiced for or against blacks.
    , @res

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What’s Black got to do with it?
     
    Affirmative action is an obvious reason. James B. Shearer gave a good list you will probably like better though.

    P.S. I think you were looking for "etc." Also, your use of Black/white/asian is a nice tell.
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  138. Hubbub says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    Yes, Oprah. The cult is forming around her. Her followers are mostly liberal Whites, looking for redemption.

    Oprah, yeh! President of the United States seems to be an opportunity for enterprising Blacks, now.

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  139. @Thea
    They were once highly sought after barbers & butlers but apparently that was oppressive.

    The barbers ran their own shops so they were actual entrepreneurs.

    Most black males probably cut/shave their own hair these days, so I think all the helpful souls mentioning barbering are probably on a losing track. But black women’s hair is another matter.

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    " But black women’s hair is another matter."

    All but one black woman at my office (around 2000 people total, so lots) wear wigs or weaves. The wigs tend to mimic the hair of white women.
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  140. unit472 says:

    RE: Cambodian donut shops.

    As with almost every other ‘niche’ in the US economy, there is nothing too trivial for corporate America to take over including ‘donuts’. Krispy Kreme and Dunkin Donuts have moved into this sector and the Cambodian donut shop in my town is no more. WAWA is wiping out Mohammedan run gas stations/convenience stores too and why not. A corporate chain operation can borrow money at half the rate of a small business and extract discount pricing from wholesalers.

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    In central flyover country we have QuikTrip, run by Chester Cadieux and now his son Chet. It is not as good as Wawa (Chet's on the Wawa board) but it is consistently better than 7-11s with Apu's and Mohammeds in charge. I buy all my gas from QT , Costco or Sams even though I don't especially like Chet Cadieux. I told both him and his dad more than once (I've run into both of them several times while at QTs in STL, Wichita and KC) that I think they are dicks but I have to respect the cleanliness and good service at their stores and the fact I'd rather finance a dick than finance chain migration, which is what happens when you do business with Apu or Mo.

    There are still donut places owned by American small operators where I live but you have to look for them. I'm on a restricted diet now and am not supposed to eat donuts but if I cheat, I do it at one of a couple of hole in the wall local places.
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  141. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anonymous
    Pistols maybe, but rifle owners tend to live in areas with few blacks.

    I’m not just making this stuff up. I could probably find the real reference or you could just trust me. I’m not saying anything implausible. There was an article last year all over the web from Pew Research. They reported that while until quite recently most respondents to the question had formerly responded that they kept firearms for hunting, now people were reporting that they keep guns for home defense.

    I think that means negroes.

    If you hear a bump inn the night and go to your front door you probably will carry a pistol. I have a Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W for just that purpose. But when there is a big riot or natural disaster a pistol is probably the wrong tool. At the Rodney King riots and the Ferguson riots guys defended their neighborhoods with long guns.

    I don’t think its geography so much as it is having the room. If you need to face the bad guys outside a rifle or a shotgun makes sense. But in a house or apartment you may not have the space to maneuver. Or at least that’s my opinion.

    I live in Oakland California and I also have a rifle (30-06 Remington) and a tactical 12 gauge. My pistol cost a good deal of money but my long guns were cheap. I went to the range a few weeks ago to practice with my pistol but I’ve never even shot my rifle or shot gun. Oakland is an earth quake zone there’s a good chance we will get a shake and have some civil disorder thereafter. I also have some canned food and some water in containers. I don’t have much in the way of ‘prepping’ but I bought a cheap gun safe and two cheap long guns. I may die before the ‘Big One’ hits or I may die when it hits. It’s cheap to take precautions.

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    Might have a lot to do with where one lives, but perhaps not. I bought my first home defense pistol (Ruger Security Six .357 Mag) during the Night Stalker scare in the 80's, and I was living in Georgia!

    I got my wife a purse derringer a few months later after a 15 year old white girl was kidnapped and executed by three black teens at a local mall.
    , @jim jones
    A Korean talks about the riots:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYT9Hew9ZU
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  142. @Steve Sailer
    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students.

    Right. Architecture is not a good career for building wealth in time for the next generation.

    Famous, rich architects usually tend to be extremely old. Here in Los Angeles, the most famous architect is Frank Gehry, who will be turning 90 next year.

    and Gehry IMO is the most overrated living architect, more even than Rem Koolhaas and IM Pei

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    All famous living architects are in the class of "Wow, he's still alive? How old is he anyway?"

    I.M. Pei, for example, will be 101 in April.

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  143. @midtown
    Government work springs to mind, whether or not that is good for society. And the real question is, Steve, why do you spell doughnut as "donut"? Is that a California thing?

    And the real question is, Steve, why do you spell doughnut as “donut”? Is that a California thing?

    Yeah, totally a California thing. Used nowhere else in the country.

    https://www.dunkindonuts.com/en

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    Hello! Dunkin’ Donuts. I think they’re everywhere.
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  144. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    A doable technical degree followed by a business-to-business sales job in that field would be a good path for a smart African American. Extroversion and unreasonable self esteem are helpful in sales, and a well-spoken black sales exec would start out with a lot of goodwill in corporate America.

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    I left that field off my comparison, but blacks are very well-represented in sales.
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  145. @Dave Pinsen
    A doable technical degree followed by a business-to-business sales job in that field would be a good path for a smart African American. Extroversion and unreasonable self esteem are helpful in sales, and a well-spoken black sales exec would start out with a lot of goodwill in corporate America.

    I left that field off my comparison, but blacks are very well-represented in sales.

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  146. @Zippy
    Totally unscientific with no evidence to back it up, but: sales.

    Contrary to all the "white privilege" and "implicit bias" nonsense, white Americans in general like black people and are rooting for them. Blacks tend to be good talkers, and if they haven't drunk too much of the SJW Kool-Aid can have upbeat, winning personalities.

    Perfect for sales.

    By the way, being a trial lawyer is one area where blacks can excel in law. If you had asked Johnny Cochran to structure a merger or write a Supreme Court brief, or even argue in front of the Supremes, he would have failed miserably. But he was immensely skilled at creating a message that 12 people of ordinary intelligence could believe.

    Blacks in general are good at things that require talking rather than thinking or doing.

    Many years ago, when I had a freshly minted PhD in the hard sciences, and trying to get a low paying adjunct teaching job, I went through insurance sales training with a black guy.

    He was a reasonably bright guy. He didn’t have as good a flair for crunching the numbers as I did, but remember I am a PhD scientist.

    When the training was over, I got a call with an offer for a low paying teaching job, so I jumped on it. I never made a single insurance sale.

    My black friend went to his church, and convinced the church board to buy a big policy for the good Reverend, and lots of the folks on the board got policies themselves.

    Heck, he even sold ME a small policy. I was living in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn, so I warned him to dress nicely and not be on the streets after dark. He didn’t complain at all. He got there dressed up in daytime, and sold me a policy.

    Thing is, he was smart enough to eventually figure out the numbers, smart enough to pass the test, and he had the people skills to sell the policies.

    So yes, there are quite a few blacks who are already very good at sales.

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  147. @Henry's Cat
    Most black males probably cut/shave their own hair these days, so I think all the helpful souls mentioning barbering are probably on a losing track. But black women's hair is another matter.

    ” But black women’s hair is another matter.”

    All but one black woman at my office (around 2000 people total, so lots) wear wigs or weaves. The wigs tend to mimic the hair of white women.

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  148. @Anonymous
    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students. We had one scholarship after another devoted to blacks. It was sort of embarrassing for them, but they were smart enough to take the money anyway.

    Then one day someone questioned whether it might be doing them a disservice to entice them into a profession with notoriously low pay and long hours. They were as rare as hen's teeth once I made it out into the "Big Leagues" of famous New York firms. What was common were wealthy white people who didn't need their paychecks.

    And they were hard-working, mind you. Evenings and weekends year-round. Try and compete with that, coming from a modest background. Not a smart move for a first generation anything.

    Black architectural achievement – who can forget the magnificence of the Great Zimbabwe? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

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  149. @Pat Boyle
    I'm not just making this stuff up. I could probably find the real reference or you could just trust me. I'm not saying anything implausible. There was an article last year all over the web from Pew Research. They reported that while until quite recently most respondents to the question had formerly responded that they kept firearms for hunting, now people were reporting that they keep guns for home defense.

    I think that means negroes.

    If you hear a bump inn the night and go to your front door you probably will carry a pistol. I have a Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W for just that purpose. But when there is a big riot or natural disaster a pistol is probably the wrong tool. At the Rodney King riots and the Ferguson riots guys defended their neighborhoods with long guns.

    I don't think its geography so much as it is having the room. If you need to face the bad guys outside a rifle or a shotgun makes sense. But in a house or apartment you may not have the space to maneuver. Or at least that's my opinion.

    I live in Oakland California and I also have a rifle (30-06 Remington) and a tactical 12 gauge. My pistol cost a good deal of money but my long guns were cheap. I went to the range a few weeks ago to practice with my pistol but I've never even shot my rifle or shot gun. Oakland is an earth quake zone there's a good chance we will get a shake and have some civil disorder thereafter. I also have some canned food and some water in containers. I don't have much in the way of 'prepping' but I bought a cheap gun safe and two cheap long guns. I may die before the 'Big One' hits or I may die when it hits. It's cheap to take precautions.

    Might have a lot to do with where one lives, but perhaps not. I bought my first home defense pistol (Ruger Security Six .357 Mag) during the Night Stalker scare in the 80′s, and I was living in Georgia!

    I got my wife a purse derringer a few months later after a 15 year old white girl was kidnapped and executed by three black teens at a local mall.

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  150. Pat Boyle says:
    @Anon7
    I worked at Ford in the early 1990’s, was stuck in a required diversity workshop. My department head, who was English, asked the question “Why Diversity?”, and was told that diverse teams produced a better result. He snorted, and asked which American company makes the best selling and best quality four door sedan? If you looked at the picture of their design team, and counted women and minorities, you could tell from that?

    The workshop presenter kind of hemmed and hawed.

    My department head said, actually it’s a trick question. The best selling car in America (at that time) was the Toyota Camry, whose design team was the least diverse you could imagine, Japanese males between 25 and 55. The workshop presenter, a black woman, kind of changed the subject, and the workshop continued. The fifty white male engineers sat quietly and kept their jobs, and the Diversity train rolled on.

    I worked in government for many years. I did finance, budget and information systems. At one point I held the position of Administrative Officer. I spent most of my time supervising staff but I also inherited some odds and ends jobs. I was in charge for example for managing the thermostat. Carter had decreed that in the summer all government buildings would be too hot while in the winter they would be too cold. No one was ever happy so it was a real job to deal with all the disgruntled staff.

    But I also inherited the job of the Departmental Affirmative Action Officer. I suppose I was supposed to promote diversity. In fact I never did anything. Then one day they reassigned those responsibilities to a black guy. He never did anything either. Good. I went back to my important work – defending the agency against the auditors, finding more money in the declining budget so we could avoid layoffs and monitoring the thermostat.

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  151. @Buck Turgidson
    My local FedEx and UPS truck drivers are black guys and they are really quite good -- they know how to move, are cheerful, and look like they would be good guys to work with. I worked UPS several centuries ago and had some top-notch black colleagues there.

    Years ago I had a very nice client who was a retired UPS man. He had over a million dollars to invest.

    He was black.

    I still remember the Jaguar sedan he drove. He had an American V8 engine installed in it.

    Smart man.

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    Longtime UPS workers made fortunes when it finally went public. I knew a broker who had a retired UPS driver as a client. He said he had $10 million+.

    When Ford owned Jaguar they made them with 8-cylinder Ford engines, IIRC.
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  152. @Buck Turgidson
    My local FedEx and UPS truck drivers are black guys and they are really quite good -- they know how to move, are cheerful, and look like they would be good guys to work with. I worked UPS several centuries ago and had some top-notch black colleagues there.

    My local FedEx and UPS truck drivers are black guys and they are really quite good — they know how to move, are cheerful, and look like they would be good guys to work with. I worked UPS several centuries ago and had some top-notch black colleagues there.

    Many bus drivers in this city are black men and women and they seem to do well at what has to be one of the most stressful and irritating jobs around. Good spatial sense, it seems to me.

    H.L. Mencken’s childhood memoir, Happy Days, relates anecdotes about his childhood in late 19th century Baltimore (an awesome read, BTW). One thing he discusses was black stableboys who seemed to do a great job dealing with and caring for the omnipresent horses of the era. That job is just one casualty of the shift to “horseless carriages”.

    One of Howling Wolf ‘s best blues songs was “Killing Floor”, which used the metaphor of meatpacking plants, where Wolf worked at one time, as I recall. Now such jobs are often taken by immigrants, though I have to think that blacks would do as well at them now as they used to before all the immigrants. Probably not as desirable a job, however, as diversity officer. I will grant that.

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  153. Pat Boyle says:
    @Alfa158
    John Derbyshire made the same point more starkly a few years ago. Affirmative Action is now mandatory in order to avoid a total breakdown in civil order. I think he said that American society in the form we presently know, would cease to exist.

    The problem is that this is like the guy who was heard after he jumped out the window, who was heard all the way down saying – “So far, so good”.

    The sidewalk is coming up fast. Everything about the modern world seems to be designed to burden and discomfort blacks. If there is another solution for the mismatch between black attributes and the requirements of modern society other than some kind of eugenic genocide – I can’t imagine what it would be.

    By my figures we have approximately five billion excess people on earth today. There’s an good possibility that we will be forced to ‘thin the herd’. Such a ‘correction’ will be good for the species but it will not necessarily be good for all the sub-species.

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    One-way boat tickets to Liberia?
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  154. @Meretricious
    and Gehry IMO is the most overrated living architect, more even than Rem Koolhaas and IM Pei

    All famous living architects are in the class of “Wow, he’s still alive? How old is he anyway?”

    I.M. Pei, for example, will be 101 in April.

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    Philip Johnson lived to the age of 98 in his glass house in nearby New Canaan:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/c8/75/48c875788ef097997986cab524dbc055.jpg
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  155. Pat Boyle says:
    @ScarletNumber
    Liberals are 100% correct. If we allowed businesses to hire and fire based on merit, either government would have to pick up the slack, either directly via welfare or indirectly via make-work jobs, or there would be riots.

    I think we will see all three: welfare, make work, and riots. It’s too late for welfare alone. Blacks of today don’t want to just get a check on “Mother’s Day”. They want Wakanda.

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  156. LondonBob says:
    @Sunbeam
    "I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible."

    I find that kind of strange. Suffice it to say my area has lots of black people, the school I attended has lots, and I've been around them all my life.

    They can't cook. Period. I have no earthly idea why that should be the case, but it appears to be an apparent fact.

    You'll see some pretty insane things with black cuisine. More fatback than you can imagine in the various types of greens. BTW the greens will be overcooked (this is a theme in black cooking).

    Macaroni and cheese - I can see in my mind now how you'll see streams of fat pouring off all the cheese they stick on it (and I like hardcore Mac N' Cheese - but that's a bridge too far).

    All vegetables are uniformly overcooked. This is a rule. If they fry something the inside will be dry. Again it just always works out that way.

    Never had barbecue cooked over an open fire by a black person that was any good.

    And the kicker is in my experience, blacks prefer to go to restaurants run by whites. And Asians (though most often the cooks are Mexicans). God do blacks love Chinese restaurants.

    Really struggling to come up with some field of endeavor they do well. I've seen some really good black bricklayers and masons. Also seen some excellent black truck drivers, being Aces at backing up a rig into a tight crazy spot.

    Never seen a black guy that seemed to be any good at anything agricultural or involving nuts and bolts or working on an engine though.

    When I watch Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmare USA regardless of the cuisine the kitchen almost always seems to be Mexicans.

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  157. @Steve Sailer
    All famous living architects are in the class of "Wow, he's still alive? How old is he anyway?"

    I.M. Pei, for example, will be 101 in April.

    Philip Johnson lived to the age of 98 in his glass house in nearby New Canaan:

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    Did he throw stones?
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  158. @Andrew M
    I do think teaching is a career well-suited to blacks. They would have better classroom control than white teachers. Raw intellectual ability isn’t particularly important, at least for classes up to age 14 or so.

    The teaching profession as a whole is 82% white (2012 figures), so there’s plenty of scope for more black participation.

    I’ve written a lot about this, and a lot of other people have as well.

    And talking about the teaching profession’s whiteness as a whole is kind of pointless, since the intellectual standards for elementary school, PE, and special ed are far lower than those for high school academics.

    Elementary school teachers are 10% black, and that increases is you include kindergarten teachers. High school teachers are 8% black, and that’s including PE teachers. Put the other way, high school teachers are 85% white; elementary school teachers are 77% white. (your 82% number goes beyond k-12).

    But then, as my article observes, black high school teachers have a career move awaiting them that pays better, gives them more power, *and* practices affirmative action: school administrators. So the high school pool of black teachers bleeds out a lot to principals.

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  159. Oh, I meant to mention–on Cambodians and donuts:

    It’s not any particular skillset. The Cambodian immigration network just loans money only to Cambodians. Banks aren’t allowed to do this, so low-skilled Americans have a tough time opening donut shops, while recent Cambodian immigrants can set up shop in a month or so. Same with Indian franchises and hotels.

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  160. @Buzz Mohawk
    Philip Johnson lived to the age of 98 in his glass house in nearby New Canaan:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/c8/75/48c875788ef097997986cab524dbc055.jpg

    Did he throw stones?

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    LOL. Apparently not.

    He lived a good example of the exurban life, which I heartily recommend.
    , @Joe Joe
    no but Billy Joel did, lol
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  161. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @James Braxton
    In my experience, they can be very good at tricky, yet repetitive tasks. They can make very good roofers, bricklayers, house painters, landscapers, etc. They also make excellent tailors and seamstresses.

    They have a high tolerance for working in physically difficult conditions such as heat and noxious fumes.

    Pretty much anything that we hire Mexicans to do, blacks would do better, if motivated.

    The ones with higher than average intelligence should start out in these fields and work their way up to owning businesses managing and mentoring crews of their fellow blacks.

    Booker T. Washington laid out the map for this in Up From Slavery.

    >Pretty much anything that we hire Mexicans to do, blacks would do better, if motivated.

    Not sure your observations fit mine, but that’s quite the rub, ain’t it?

    Speaking of Amy Wax, she and Richwine recently had a piece that’s relevant to this discussion.

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  162. @Steve Sailer
    Did he throw stones?

    LOL. Apparently not.

    He lived a good example of the exurban life, which I heartily recommend.

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  163. @Anonymous
    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students. We had one scholarship after another devoted to blacks. It was sort of embarrassing for them, but they were smart enough to take the money anyway.

    Then one day someone questioned whether it might be doing them a disservice to entice them into a profession with notoriously low pay and long hours. They were as rare as hen's teeth once I made it out into the "Big Leagues" of famous New York firms. What was common were wealthy white people who didn't need their paychecks.

    And they were hard-working, mind you. Evenings and weekends year-round. Try and compete with that, coming from a modest background. Not a smart move for a first generation anything.

    According to the BLS, architects make $77,000 a year, while needing a tough bachelor’s degree. The work week you describe sounds brutal, though. And the job prospects for architects look poor.

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    It's the only profession I know of where the most coveted jobs pay the least. So it's sort of a natural fit for upper-class types who don't need the money. And the only (5-yr) Bachelor's degree holders I encountered were from Cornell or Cooper Union. Everyone else had a Master's, usually Ivy League.

    I did like being around extremely smart people all of the time, and I enjoyed the obsession with getting every little thing exactly right in all of your work. Not everyone is like that. What I disliked was being unaware of the changes of the seasons, since you never saw the outdoors except on the rare occasions work took you onto a job site.

    And it's hard to make ends meet in Manhattan on $55K per year.

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  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “What Careers Should Blacks Tend to Specialize In?”

    Blacks can do anything, and everything, and better than everyone else, as demonstrated by the superior country of Wakanda. But they have to be away from wicked whites, and exploitative Chinese, off in their own land in Africa away from everyone else, or otherwise they somehow every time turn out to be so fragile they get outwitted at every turn and cannot compete, even though they are better than everyone else. So let us all support a fair turn for blacks and help them all migrate away to Africa to build Novus Wakanda.

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    "So let us all support a fair turn for blacks and help them all migrate away to Africa to build Novus Wakanda."

    I would be happy to contribute to such a worthy cause.

    By the way, it would be healthier for them to return to Africa as well, as darker skins do not produce as much Vitamin D in the wintertime as whiter skins do. No one talks about the health effects of migration.
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  165. @Zach
    Hamdi Ulukaya, an Anatolian Kurd, started Chobani Yogurt in the USA, which is now the most popular brand of “Greek” yogurt. Ulukaya made a fortune in the USA producing a food that most Turkish citizens make themselves every year.

    Kurds make good yogurt.

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  166. @Little spoon
    Re: trust black doctor- yeah I know but am I the only person that has ended up having to despite the fact that I would never ever myself choose a black doctor?

    Like you can choose your doctor but often times if you need a procedure done, you get assigned to a not fully named team of hospital employees, or you can choose the doctor but not the anesthesiologist. Last time I had to go under, I asked for the name of the anesthesia group contracted by the clinic so I could look up every doctor they employed to make sure there was not a black one.

    Still, a few months ago I had to have a breast tumor removed. The surgeon on the roster at a large and reputable hospital was a 50 year old Jewish male. Ok fine. But when I got on the operating table, he turned the procedure over to a 30 yr old black resident. Like I actually wanted to call the procedure off but I was already on the operatating table with my clothes off. She was very nice and I ended up fine but I was seriously not happy about getting a knife to my chest by someone who could have gotten into medical school with a 2.5 gpa.

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  167. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buck Turgidson
    My local FedEx and UPS truck drivers are black guys and they are really quite good -- they know how to move, are cheerful, and look like they would be good guys to work with. I worked UPS several centuries ago and had some top-notch black colleagues there.

    It’s a universal observation on the railroad that while blacks might be a pain in the ass to be around sometimes, and sometimes are very good at avoiding work, black locomotive engineers tend to be really smooth at train handling.

    They do well as bus and straight truck drivers as well as being a good chunk of the moving van services out there.

    In manufacturing they do well at basic assembly and as machine operators. Few in the old days ever qualified as “all around machinists” and almost zero as true toolmakers. (It used to be said that a first class toolmaker had to have higher IQ and better hands than a heart surgeon.)

    Success with black workforces depends on a certain style of management and discipline. Railroads are big on rules and regulations, enforced with little deviation, consistently, by officials who are college graduates pissed off that the craft railroaders make as much or more than they do, so relatively speaking, blacks who test well enough to get hired on in the first place tend to have good careers.

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  168. @Anon
    I disagree, I find "Agrees" helpful (since they essentially replace an expression of agreement). Trolls and disagrees, on the other hand? Not so much.

    It’s not the Agree button itself that I have any problem with, but that my own record of pressing it comes up on my comment history.

    And we need the Troll button as long as Tiny Duck keeps sailing through hunting season unscathed.

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    That's what I meant, sorry for my wording. An "Agree" as I see it is essentially a comment that one would have duplicated if the original were not there, so it makes sense to list it because it explains the commenter's opinion on whatever is the subject of the comment. I do see your point of view though.

    It annoys me a lot that "troll" posts are listed on the histories of those who so mark them, since they are more or less posts that the marker essentially wishes had never been made.
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  169. Realist says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?

    Nancy Pelosi: Trump's border wall is too high and 'obnoxious'

    Doesn’t Israel have a ‘big’ wall????

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    Interesting that the builder of Israel’s wall also supports the anti-white EFF in South Africa: https://blf.org.za/2017/11/02/eff-march-to-israeli-embassy-is-fake/
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  170. @George
    "What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?"

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What's Black got to do with it? Ben Carson seems to be a legit brain surgeon, what career should he have chosen based on being black?

    “. . . what career should he have chosen based on being black?”

    Interior designer? High end furniture store buyer?

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  171. @Sunbeam
    "I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible."

    I find that kind of strange. Suffice it to say my area has lots of black people, the school I attended has lots, and I've been around them all my life.

    They can't cook. Period. I have no earthly idea why that should be the case, but it appears to be an apparent fact.

    You'll see some pretty insane things with black cuisine. More fatback than you can imagine in the various types of greens. BTW the greens will be overcooked (this is a theme in black cooking).

    Macaroni and cheese - I can see in my mind now how you'll see streams of fat pouring off all the cheese they stick on it (and I like hardcore Mac N' Cheese - but that's a bridge too far).

    All vegetables are uniformly overcooked. This is a rule. If they fry something the inside will be dry. Again it just always works out that way.

    Never had barbecue cooked over an open fire by a black person that was any good.

    And the kicker is in my experience, blacks prefer to go to restaurants run by whites. And Asians (though most often the cooks are Mexicans). God do blacks love Chinese restaurants.

    Really struggling to come up with some field of endeavor they do well. I've seen some really good black bricklayers and masons. Also seen some excellent black truck drivers, being Aces at backing up a rig into a tight crazy spot.

    Never seen a black guy that seemed to be any good at anything agricultural or involving nuts and bolts or working on an engine though.

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  172. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472
    RE: Cambodian donut shops.

    As with almost every other 'niche' in the US economy, there is nothing too trivial for corporate America to take over including 'donuts'. Krispy Kreme and Dunkin Donuts have moved into this sector and the Cambodian donut shop in my town is no more. WAWA is wiping out Mohammedan run gas stations/convenience stores too and why not. A corporate chain operation can borrow money at half the rate of a small business and extract discount pricing from wholesalers.

    In central flyover country we have QuikTrip, run by Chester Cadieux and now his son Chet. It is not as good as Wawa (Chet’s on the Wawa board) but it is consistently better than 7-11s with Apu’s and Mohammeds in charge. I buy all my gas from QT , Costco or Sams even though I don’t especially like Chet Cadieux. I told both him and his dad more than once (I’ve run into both of them several times while at QTs in STL, Wichita and KC) that I think they are dicks but I have to respect the cleanliness and good service at their stores and the fact I’d rather finance a dick than finance chain migration, which is what happens when you do business with Apu or Mo.

    There are still donut places owned by American small operators where I live but you have to look for them. I’m on a restricted diet now and am not supposed to eat donuts but if I cheat, I do it at one of a couple of hole in the wall local places.

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  173. Oscars seat fillers.

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  174. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If you don’t mind responding to a mere anonymous, why do you prefer that your registered Agreement with others not be included in your comment history?

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  175. @George
    "What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?"

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What's Black got to do with it? Ben Carson seems to be a legit brain surgeon, what career should he have chosen based on being black?

    “Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. … ”

    Many possible reasons.

    Different intellectual strengths and weaknesses. People with the same IQ can have a different distribution of abilities (math versus verbal for example).

    Other traits. IQ is not the only important trait.

    Family support. Some careers require a bigger initial investment.

    Cultural factors. Different cultures may favor different professions or types of work (white collar versus blue collar for example).

    Employer (and customer) preference. Some employers (or customers) may be prejudiced for or against blacks.

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    "Other traits. IQ is not the only important trait."
    That may be true but in the past, the race realists claimed that IQ was the issue behind racial discrimination. It is not clear if iSteve meant to suggest give identical IQs black should still underperform whites.

    "Family support. Some careers require a bigger initial investment."
    I thought the reason capitalist finance existed was to direct financial resources to the best uses. IN a capitalist free market system it would mean IQ is the determinant of who gets capital, not mom and dads bank account.
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  176. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The Diversity Industry is made and tailored for blacks, a completely useless, time wasting, money sucking bureaucracy designed specifically to create meaningless paper pushing jobs for blacks in the private industry, similar to what they’ve been doing in the public sector except better pay. Somebody’s got to hire all those African studies majors from Harvard and Stanford.

    Thanks to compliance by the woke tech industry and higher ed industry, the Grievance Studies to Grievance Industry pipeline is now firmly in place.

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  177. ic1000 says:
    @Anon
    Male blacks had no careers in Africa except for hunting. They left all the work to women. The ones who farmed plots or made crafts or who sold things at market booths were female. Male blacks didn't evolve for anything else except for prowling around and attacking, which is exactly what they do today in the US. They go walkabout at all hours and assault random strangers for their stuff.

    You can't get work out of them except by hard coercion, either by enslavement or by cutting off all welfare to force them to labor or starve.

    We need to push sterilization a lot harder at abortion clinics.

    American blacks are our fellow citizens, anon. They deserve fair treatment.

    The new elites learning and practicing noblesse oblige would be much better for blacks (and non-top-10% non-blacks) than the policies you suggest.

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    "American blacks are our fellow citizens, anon. They deserve fair treatment. "

    I wholeheartedly agree, but "fair treatment" does not include (in my book, anyway) a social contract containing a clause mandating refusal to recognize realities and play Pollyanna at great expense to society at large.

    , @Brutusale
    Blacks have to realize that America has reached Peak Black. Our new Asian Overlords have little tolerance for YT, never mind the Dindu-American Community.
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  178. Joe Joe says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Did he throw stones?

    no but Billy Joel did, lol

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  179. @Anon
    Magic Negro.

    That should be a profession.

    Every institution and industry should hire Magic Negroes to offer some tainment.

    So, law firms don't need black lawyer. Just a magic negro to provide some fun in the workplace.

    Call the profession 'Vibrancer'

    Like 'Lilies of the Field'.

    It worked for Oprah. .

    When my ad agency used to go to brainstorming sessions at Procter & Gamble, for a while they had a black guy whose job it was to sit in the meeting and make little sketches of images that the discussion inspired in him. These were not particularly interesting or of any value. It seemed like the most obvious make-work corporate diversity job imaginable, but I suppose P&G can afford to indulge in that. Hey, kudos to us, we got a black guy into the conference room! They were quite obsessed with Diversity.

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    "They were quite obsessed with Diversity."

    Having worked on several P&G projects over the years, I second that. The same is true for all large companies now, however, especially if one does anything at all for the federal government. We do a lot of work for the military, so we're "eat up" with the diversity cult.
    , @BB753
    Were the doodles satanic in nature by contract? Lol!
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  180. Government.

    Government work offers the following benefits.

    -Amazing benefits (medical, dental, pension).
    -You can often retire early, often in your 50s.
    -It’s really hard to get fired or have your wages cut.
    -Slow pace of work and minimal pressure to perform.
    -Lots of tolerance for incompetence and laziness.
    -Much of the time is spent on easy BS activities.
    -No threat from automation, downsizing, outsourcing, or immigration.
    -Pay is actually pretty decent these days.
    -Senior govt employees may not get huge pay packages, but they have a decent work/life balance.

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    Government will have to downsize, eventually. Will the Blacks remain and the Whites be sacked? Who'll do the adult supervision if that were to happen?
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  181. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I have no doubt you’ll get many comments to this end-but blacks do very well in military service. At the beginning, romotion is greatly aided by eg how fast you can run (where black athleticism really comes in handy) and at the end of a career there are affirmative action preferences right to the very highest echelons. By law, a fixed number of E8 and E9 (the highest enlisted [“blue collar track”] slots) are set aside for minorities.
    And blacks self select into fields like supply, so the obvious hazards of military service apply less to them. Bad backs and blown off legs are much rarer in the rear.
    Lastly, it’s a job where blacks can actually do good work and shine. At the highest levels, the army enlisted side is basically HR manager, listening to the complaints of the workin’ man and trying to shield “his” guys from the over ambitious plans of the officer class. This is a realistic goal

    True. Then again when considering America’s–shall we say “troubled” racial history– I’d be just a little bit concerned about the military (of all institutions) looking like the NFL and NBA. A Nat Turner-type in a position of authority within the military raises the specter of something akin to the plot which was depicted in the movie “Seven Days In May”, except in this case the enemy is White America instead of the Rooshians.

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    Blacks excel in support roles. They are generally underrepresented afaik in Special Forces and other places where high zeal for dangerous combat is essential, not to mention in the upper hierarchy.
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  182. George says:
    @James B. Shearer
    "Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. ... "

    Many possible reasons.

    Different intellectual strengths and weaknesses. People with the same IQ can have a different distribution of abilities (math versus verbal for example).

    Other traits. IQ is not the only important trait.

    Family support. Some careers require a bigger initial investment.

    Cultural factors. Different cultures may favor different professions or types of work (white collar versus blue collar for example).

    Employer (and customer) preference. Some employers (or customers) may be prejudiced for or against blacks.

    “Other traits. IQ is not the only important trait.”
    That may be true but in the past, the race realists claimed that IQ was the issue behind racial discrimination. It is not clear if iSteve meant to suggest give identical IQs black should still underperform whites.

    “Family support. Some careers require a bigger initial investment.”
    I thought the reason capitalist finance existed was to direct financial resources to the best uses. IN a capitalist free market system it would mean IQ is the determinant of who gets capital, not mom and dads bank account.

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    "... It is not clear if iSteve meant to suggest give identical IQs black should still underperform whites."

    He was suggesting they might perform better in some professions as compared to other professions. This could mean underperforming whites in some professions and outperforming them in others.

    "I thought the reason capitalist finance existed was to direct financial resources to the best uses. IN a capitalist free market system it would mean IQ is the determinant of who gets capital, not mom and dads bank account."

    How is capitalist finance supposed to prevent rich parents from over-investing in their children?
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  183. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Years ago I had a very nice client who was a retired UPS man. He had over a million dollars to invest.

    He was black.

    I still remember the Jaguar sedan he drove. He had an American V8 engine installed in it.

    Smart man.

    Longtime UPS workers made fortunes when it finally went public. I knew a broker who had a retired UPS driver as a client. He said he had $10 million+.

    When Ford owned Jaguar they made them with 8-cylinder Ford engines, IIRC.

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    This guy had risen to some kind of management job, and it was indeed the UPS stock that made him a millionaire (in need of some asset allocation!)

    I didn't know about the Jaguar/Ford AJ-V8 engine, so I might have looked even stupider than normal when I ooh-ed and aah-ed over his. That would have been an early AJ-8, which I see began in 1997. I had the impression that his car was a modified older sedan from the way he talked about it. There were some of those, and that body never changed much, but I bet you've got it right.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, but being a new hire UPSer is not a place any ambitious or intelligent person wants to be today. It's a crummy organization with craftside (union) and management that hate each other. Some divisions of UPS are nonunion: they are even worse since management is geared up to pounding on the workers, but they can't fight back.
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  184. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @education realist
    I actually did write about this: The Available Pool:

    I made some predictions before looking at the data:

    Blacks would be a higher percentage of elementary/middle school teachers than of high school teachers. I couldn’t sort out academic teachers from special ed and PE teachers, and I wasn’t sure whether sped teachers would be included in the count. But given the easier licensure test, I was betting the percentage would be higher.

    There would be more black school administrators than black high school teachers.

    The ratio of black lawyers and doctors to black high school teachers would be higher than the ratio of white lawyers and doctors to white high school teachers (in absolute numbers).

    The ratio of black social workers to black teachers would be much higher than the same ratio for white teachers.


    I got a lot right--wrong on 3, but mainly because I didn't understand how frigging many white lawyers we have.

    What the data suggests is that from a cognitive perspective, blacks prefer medicine to teaching and teaching to law.

    I suggested then, and still do, that anyone wanting to improve the representation of black in highly cognitive fields do the following:

    Create a k-3 teaching credential with lower cognitive standards and persuade a lot of black social workers to become teachers.

    Encourage black ES teachers with any skill in math to get an algebra only math credential (something many states offer).

    Push for a more practical hands on law-degree. The LSAT is one of the hardest verbal tests in existence and it's speed-based. The LSAT reading section is brutal. It's getting harder and harder to find data, but I wouldn't be surprised if the black-white gap on the LSAT and ACT were wider than the one on the SAT, simply because the old SAT particularly had much more generous time requirements.

    However, the LSAT is a great indicator of how one will do in law school, because law school is an intensely abstract, highly verbal exercise that is widely acknowledged to do very little to prepare one for lawyering, and much more likely to prepare one for being a judge. As law school gets more and more competitive for whites, the average class ability level is increasingly above the average black law school graduate. But that doesn't mean they'd be terrible lawyers. Johnny Cochrane probably wasn't a great intellect, but he was a brilliant tactician who used facts on the ground very well.

    So a more practice-based law school--and for that matter, a more practice-based med school, might do more to bring in people with decent skills but not great intellect. Something that will be increasingly useful not just for blacks.

    IIRC, it used to be possible to qualify as a lawyer via apprenticeship in some states, though I suppose the bar exam would still be a hurdle.

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  185. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Arthur Jensen’s heuristic development and exploration of human intelligence along lines of
    Level One and Level Two abilities, might have useful practical yield for teaching and learning
    that would shrink the overall Black / White attainment gap? Remarks about lawyers should not
    evade the reality that there are plenty of “lower level” lawyers functioning in more “mechanistic”
    domains of the law and doing so adequately. How much a person can learn is within some ability ranges rather significantly a matter of how content is taught. The innovation half a century or more
    ago of programmed learning is a sufficient example. To some extent this boils down to the fact that if America could get real and candid about the genetic aspects of the gap, better means could be laid hold of to reduce it. The same principle holds for reducing , say the male/female gap in visual-spatial perception and its ramifications for learning in domains of mathematics, for example. Realism can work small wonders.

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  186. @Harry Baldwin
    When my ad agency used to go to brainstorming sessions at Procter & Gamble, for a while they had a black guy whose job it was to sit in the meeting and make little sketches of images that the discussion inspired in him. These were not particularly interesting or of any value. It seemed like the most obvious make-work corporate diversity job imaginable, but I suppose P&G can afford to indulge in that. Hey, kudos to us, we got a black guy into the conference room! They were quite obsessed with Diversity.

    “They were quite obsessed with Diversity.”

    Having worked on several P&G projects over the years, I second that. The same is true for all large companies now, however, especially if one does anything at all for the federal government. We do a lot of work for the military, so we’re “eat up” with the diversity cult.

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  187. Issac says:

    I wonder the same thing about whites.

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  188. @ic1000
    American blacks are our fellow citizens, anon. They deserve fair treatment.

    The new elites learning and practicing noblesse oblige would be much better for blacks (and non-top-10% non-blacks) than the policies you suggest.

    “American blacks are our fellow citizens, anon. They deserve fair treatment. ”

    I wholeheartedly agree, but “fair treatment” does not include (in my book, anyway) a social contract containing a clause mandating refusal to recognize realities and play Pollyanna at great expense to society at large.

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  189. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    It's not the Agree button itself that I have any problem with, but that my own record of pressing it comes up on my comment history.

    And we need the Troll button as long as Tiny Duck keeps sailing through hunting season unscathed.

    That’s what I meant, sorry for my wording. An “Agree” as I see it is essentially a comment that one would have duplicated if the original were not there, so it makes sense to list it because it explains the commenter’s opinion on whatever is the subject of the comment. I do see your point of view though.

    It annoys me a lot that “troll” posts are listed on the histories of those who so mark them, since they are more or less posts that the marker essentially wishes had never been made.

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  190. @Dave Pinsen
    Longtime UPS workers made fortunes when it finally went public. I knew a broker who had a retired UPS driver as a client. He said he had $10 million+.

    When Ford owned Jaguar they made them with 8-cylinder Ford engines, IIRC.

    This guy had risen to some kind of management job, and it was indeed the UPS stock that made him a millionaire (in need of some asset allocation!)

    I didn’t know about the Jaguar/Ford AJ-V8 engine, so I might have looked even stupider than normal when I ooh-ed and aah-ed over his. That would have been an early AJ-8, which I see began in 1997. I had the impression that his car was a modified older sedan from the way he talked about it. There were some of those, and that body never changed much, but I bet you’ve got it right.

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    Putting American engines in old Jags was a rite of passage for hot rodders for decades. A couple of businesses still make a good living selling the kits to do it. The more modern Jaguars are not so modifiable.

    http://www.johnscars.com/


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    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6. It is commonly called the "ajayjay" by buffs. These were in turn replaced by the AJ-V6 and AJ-V8 engines, which are Ford designs. These are used in other Ford Motor Co. made vehicles as well.

    Ford continues to make the mistake with most of its engines as it has since the 1940s: it builds a lot of different related but noninterchangeable engines with little to no parts commonality.
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  191. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    True. Then again when considering America's--shall we say "troubled" racial history-- I'd be just a little bit concerned about the military (of all institutions) looking like the NFL and NBA. A Nat Turner-type in a position of authority within the military raises the specter of something akin to the plot which was depicted in the movie "Seven Days In May", except in this case the enemy is White America instead of the Rooshians.

    Blacks excel in support roles. They are generally underrepresented afaik in Special Forces and other places where high zeal for dangerous combat is essential, not to mention in the upper hierarchy.

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  192. @Pat Boyle
    The problem is that this is like the guy who was heard after he jumped out the window, who was heard all the way down saying - "So far, so good".

    The sidewalk is coming up fast. Everything about the modern world seems to be designed to burden and discomfort blacks. If there is another solution for the mismatch between black attributes and the requirements of modern society other than some kind of eugenic genocide - I can't imagine what it would be.

    By my figures we have approximately five billion excess people on earth today. There's an good possibility that we will be forced to 'thin the herd'. Such a 'correction' will be good for the species but it will not necessarily be good for all the sub-species.

    One-way boat tickets to Liberia?

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    You read a lot of comments like yours on Web blogs. Some white guy will feel frustrated by years of black behavior and he will after much soul searching finally reject all the social pretenses about integration and assimilation and he will announce his support for the "send them back to Africa" solution.

    I understand, but I wonder if such ideas are helpful or sufficient.

    First of all you have to face the issue of compulsion. No blacks or very, very few are going to get on that boat to Liberia voluntarily. Liberia is not an attractive destination. In the first half of the nineteenth century Liberia might have seemed like a good idea. But Charles Taylor and the civil war he fostered have killed off all hope. The United States is the most attractive destination for people of all colors and races. No one wants to move to black Africa. If you are going to get black people to go to anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa except the remnants of white South Africa you will need to employ force. And the blacks will resist. And you will need to kill those who resist.

    Saying "send them back to Africa" means kill them. If you are prepared to kill them you might as well kill them here and avoid all the shipping expenses. If you are not prepared to enact a program of naked genocide you should stop fooling yourself.

    I think America and Europe are a long way from accepting racial genocide so advocating the equivalent of mass murder is a just a way of escaping into fantasy. It is the same sort of process that leads blacks into believing in Wakanda.
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  193. Zimriel says:

    Southeast Asians were good at the sort of pastries which wrap spicy sausages in dough. I think this might even be native street-food in Vietnam. Pork is a thing there. So are peppers.

    When SE Asians came to Gulf Coast Texas, they learnt to label this dish by the familiar Texan [read: Germano-Slavic] name “kolache”, and they figured out how to put jalapenos in them. So Houston got “kolache factories” on every block selling these, all run by Viets.

    I wish they had more of them in Colorado actually.

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    The Bánh mì sandwhich is one of the great food experiences you will ever have, like professionally prepared sushi or big greasy slice of New York pizza.
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  194. @Zach
    Hamdi Ulukaya, an Anatolian Kurd, started Chobani Yogurt in the USA, which is now the most popular brand of “Greek” yogurt. Ulukaya made a fortune in the USA producing a food that most Turkish citizens make themselves every year.

    Yes, we all watch 60 Minutes.

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  195. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Henry's Cat
    Don't blacks in America still mainly have their hair cut by other blacks? That certainly applies in British cities with a sizeable black presence. But on the rare occasion I've been in such an establishment, I've noticed many of the staff are recent immigrants from the Caribbean. Barbering is another trade that's largely been outsourced. My barber as a kid was a Greek-Cypriot with a penchant for Elvis and betting on the horses.

    “Don’t blacks in America still mainly have their hair cut by other blacks? That certainly applies in British cities with a sizeable black presence. ”

    Interesting you mention that. Just a few days ago I went for a haircut at my usual place. The customers are always white, though the barbers are Turkish. This time, there was a black man getting a haircut, the first one I’ve seen in 15 years of going there.

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    Linh Dinh did an article on blacks not owning businesses that they frequent in Philadelphia and black men are now going to Asian barbers because they are faster and less expensive than black barbers.

    As with many black neighborhood bars, Sit on It is actually not black-owned, but neither are most ghetto grocery stores and restaurants, and one can only conclude that blacks generally can’t compete with non-blacks in running small businesses. Even the black barbershop, that social institution, is being undercut by Asian barbers. On YouTube, there’s a hilarious commentary by Jay Love, a Philly homeboy, on black vs. Asian hair cutters:
     
    https://youtu.be/kp92S_U8534

    Providing a quicker service, Asian barbers also charge less than half of their black peers’ prices. At Da’ Thairapist Hairquarters, a haircut by Skeet da Barber costs $25, but it’s $30 if you want an appointment, which must be made at least 24 hours in advance. If not, it’s $35.
     
    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-point-breeze/
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  196. Truth says:
    @midtown
    Government work springs to mind, whether or not that is good for society. And the real question is, Steve, why do you spell doughnut as "donut"? Is that a California thing?

    Dude, only a complete prick spells “donut” like William of Orange would, or Ketchup beginning with “c-a-t-s.”

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    Not when you grew up in cities and towns in the Northeast with names like Marlborough, Foxborough, etc. When the networks showing Patriots games flash the obligatory "church steeple and colorful foliage" shots pregame, they dumb it down to "Foxboro" so the NFL-Americans don't have to deal with too many letters.

    http://www.foxboroughma.gov/pages/index
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  197. @education realist
    I actually did write about this: The Available Pool:

    I made some predictions before looking at the data:

    Blacks would be a higher percentage of elementary/middle school teachers than of high school teachers. I couldn’t sort out academic teachers from special ed and PE teachers, and I wasn’t sure whether sped teachers would be included in the count. But given the easier licensure test, I was betting the percentage would be higher.

    There would be more black school administrators than black high school teachers.

    The ratio of black lawyers and doctors to black high school teachers would be higher than the ratio of white lawyers and doctors to white high school teachers (in absolute numbers).

    The ratio of black social workers to black teachers would be much higher than the same ratio for white teachers.


    I got a lot right--wrong on 3, but mainly because I didn't understand how frigging many white lawyers we have.

    What the data suggests is that from a cognitive perspective, blacks prefer medicine to teaching and teaching to law.

    I suggested then, and still do, that anyone wanting to improve the representation of black in highly cognitive fields do the following:

    Create a k-3 teaching credential with lower cognitive standards and persuade a lot of black social workers to become teachers.

    Encourage black ES teachers with any skill in math to get an algebra only math credential (something many states offer).

    Push for a more practical hands on law-degree. The LSAT is one of the hardest verbal tests in existence and it's speed-based. The LSAT reading section is brutal. It's getting harder and harder to find data, but I wouldn't be surprised if the black-white gap on the LSAT and ACT were wider than the one on the SAT, simply because the old SAT particularly had much more generous time requirements.

    However, the LSAT is a great indicator of how one will do in law school, because law school is an intensely abstract, highly verbal exercise that is widely acknowledged to do very little to prepare one for lawyering, and much more likely to prepare one for being a judge. As law school gets more and more competitive for whites, the average class ability level is increasingly above the average black law school graduate. But that doesn't mean they'd be terrible lawyers. Johnny Cochrane probably wasn't a great intellect, but he was a brilliant tactician who used facts on the ground very well.

    So a more practice-based law school--and for that matter, a more practice-based med school, might do more to bring in people with decent skills but not great intellect. Something that will be increasingly useful not just for blacks.

    education realist: Johnny Cochrane [sic] probably wasn’t a great intellect, but he was a brilliant tactician who used facts on the ground very well.

    It helped that Johnnie Cochran proved the adage that black don’t crack. He was 58 the day OJ was found not guilty. Of course, those youthful looks didn’t do him any good 10 years later. I don’t believe in karma, but if I did…

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  198. @Zimriel
    Southeast Asians were good at the sort of pastries which wrap spicy sausages in dough. I think this might even be native street-food in Vietnam. Pork is a thing there. So are peppers.

    When SE Asians came to Gulf Coast Texas, they learnt to label this dish by the familiar Texan [read: Germano-Slavic] name "kolache", and they figured out how to put jalapenos in them. So Houston got "kolache factories" on every block selling these, all run by Viets.

    I wish they had more of them in Colorado actually.

    The Bánh mì sandwhich is one of the great food experiences you will ever have, like professionally prepared sushi or big greasy slice of New York pizza.

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    The ban Minh is almost like a salad on a baquet
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  199. Truth says:
    @Anon7
    I worked at Ford in the early 1990’s, was stuck in a required diversity workshop. My department head, who was English, asked the question “Why Diversity?”, and was told that diverse teams produced a better result. He snorted, and asked which American company makes the best selling and best quality four door sedan? If you looked at the picture of their design team, and counted women and minorities, you could tell from that?

    The workshop presenter kind of hemmed and hawed.

    My department head said, actually it’s a trick question. The best selling car in America (at that time) was the Toyota Camry, whose design team was the least diverse you could imagine, Japanese males between 25 and 55. The workshop presenter, a black woman, kind of changed the subject, and the workshop continued. The fifty white male engineers sat quietly and kept their jobs, and the Diversity train rolled on.

    The best selling car in America (at that time) was the Toyota Camry, whose design team was the least diverse you could imagine, Japanese males between 25 and 55. …The fifty white male engineers sat quietly and kept their jobs,

    I guess they should have fired the whites and hired Japs?

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  200. Truth says:

    OK Gents here is the answer to your question.

    As a general rule of thumb, young black males, need a few things to fit well in a career:

    1.) Some sort of physical aspect to the work.*
    2.) Interaction with others.
    3.) A feeling of tangible accomplishment at the end of the day.
    4.) Some feeling of direct competition with one’s peers.
    4.) A five-sense, rather than an intuitive, orientation to the work.

    *The work does not have to be tiring, or exhausting, but most young black men simply have too much energy to sit behind a desk for 8 hour shuffling paper.

    ** This is not necessarily to case with black women who have a wider orientation of “success.”

    Jobs listed above in many cases meet these requirements. Construction, sales UPS, the post office, coaching, landscaping, mechanics, bricklaying, the military, police, tailor, greyhound, etc. meet these requirements.

    Fields like Financial analysis, engineering, architecture, white-collar entrepreneurship, philosophy professor, business analytics, more pedantic fields of law, etc. that do not have the interaction, kinetics, direct competition and require, “in order to achieve c, I have to do a, and encourage x not to do b”, are not good career fields for most young black males. They get bored, and then the boredom leads them in highly unacceptable directions.

    On the other hand, “I need to do this today, I have to do this much of it, and the guy next to me can only do this much” works pretty well. This is also the reason black males develop such an irritation with purely philosophical arguments. There is a tangibility missing.

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    I find it surprising that no one has replied to this.
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  201. Neoconned says:

    http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/about/news/new-study-shows-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-at-risk-of-computerisation

    Two studies that came out few yrs ago give different parameters of just how horrible job automation will be. The above study, from Oxford University predicts between a third and 47% of jobs will be automated by the early 2030s. And then there’s this study from the OECD that predicts 9% of jobs will be automated over the coming ten to 20 years…..

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/the-risk-of-automation-for-jobs-in-oecd-countries_5jlz9h56dvq7-en

    Even if a tenth of jobs are automated think about the effects on the economy…..

    Of the 40 odd million black Americans…..how many can be the next Denzel or rapper or singer or sports star? Even if every single sports star in America was black there can’t be more than what? 20-50k professional sports players… The sector just isn’t that big.

    If say a third of jobs vanish I wonder if any of us will even have a job…..

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    Television shows showing the factories that make various popular food products are popular in Japan. Invariably they are only 95 percent automated. There is always at least one line where older ladies in clean-room suits stand on their feet for 8 hours a day looking at a fast-moving conveyor belt and picking off the occssional imperfect item. It seems like hell to me.
    , @fish

    If say a third of jobs vanish I wonder if any of us will even have a job…..
     
    Wonder who will be buying all those products coming of those lines......?
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  202. Neoconned says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    The Bánh mì sandwhich is one of the great food experiences you will ever have, like professionally prepared sushi or big greasy slice of New York pizza.

    The ban Minh is almost like a salad on a baquet

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    Yes, a salad with delectable pickled veggies and four or five varieties of sweet, succulent pork.

    https://eclecticspot.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/banhmiunstacked.jpg
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  203. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If you really think about it, it’s pretty tragic for reasonably competent blacks. Their a priori reputation is permanently tainted by their more numerous less competent co-ethnics. I have zero problem hiring or promoting a black guy who I already know is competent and emotionally stable. But with the facts about general intelligence and statistics being statistics, when I don’t really know him/her and all else is seems equal, I’d always try to hire a non-black. It’s not a “racism”, it’s just choosing better odds. IOW, common sense. Doing otherwise would be a charity toward blacks that, in the long run, is clearly detrimental to the business.

    But it sure would suck if I were born black and realized that part of my problems finding good jobs is literally merely because I was born black. I’d have to settle for an AA position and be further tainted by the reputation of all the incompetent AA hires. Catch 22.

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  204. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    This guy had risen to some kind of management job, and it was indeed the UPS stock that made him a millionaire (in need of some asset allocation!)

    I didn't know about the Jaguar/Ford AJ-V8 engine, so I might have looked even stupider than normal when I ooh-ed and aah-ed over his. That would have been an early AJ-8, which I see began in 1997. I had the impression that his car was a modified older sedan from the way he talked about it. There were some of those, and that body never changed much, but I bet you've got it right.

    Putting American engines in old Jags was a rite of passage for hot rodders for decades. A couple of businesses still make a good living selling the kits to do it. The more modern Jaguars are not so modifiable.

    http://www.johnscars.com/

    Want to put an American motor and/or transmission in your Jaguar? It’s a snap with John’s Cars conversion. Kits are available for the Classic XJ Sedans (1969-1987 XJ6, XJ6C, XJ6L, XJ12, XJ12C, XJ12L), the XJS Coupe and Convertibles, the Mark Series, and the legendary E-Type.
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    Redefine AWESOME with a John’s Cars ZCar Chevy V8 conversion. Our bolt-in kit will breathe new life into the original Datsun sports car. We do not carry any parts for the Datsun ZCar.

    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6. It is commonly called the “ajayjay” by buffs. These were in turn replaced by the AJ-V6 and AJ-V8 engines, which are Ford designs. These are used in other Ford Motor Co. made vehicles as well.

    Ford continues to make the mistake with most of its engines as it has since the 1940s: it builds a lot of different related but noninterchangeable engines with little to no parts commonality.

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    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6.
     
    All XK engines were DOHC inline sixes.

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  205. @Neoconned
    The ban Minh is almost like a salad on a baquet

    Yes, a salad with delectable pickled veggies and four or five varieties of sweet, succulent pork.

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    Have you tried a cafe su da Vietnamese coffee?

    Not many know but the Gulf Coast region has shitloads of Vietnamese people. They own all the gas stations and shrimp and oyster boats around here....
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  206. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Longtime UPS workers made fortunes when it finally went public. I knew a broker who had a retired UPS driver as a client. He said he had $10 million+.

    When Ford owned Jaguar they made them with 8-cylinder Ford engines, IIRC.

    Yes, but being a new hire UPSer is not a place any ambitious or intelligent person wants to be today. It’s a crummy organization with craftside (union) and management that hate each other. Some divisions of UPS are nonunion: they are even worse since management is geared up to pounding on the workers, but they can’t fight back.

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  207. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Spotted Toad
    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    The obvious safe/advantageous black field is school administration. Lots and lots of school districts have black superintendents, often even if the district administration and student body are not mostly black. Since the superintendent doesn’t have to make all that many daily decisions and is often a figurehead, it’s a little like Steve’s running joke about having a black ceremonial King of America monarch as a solution to the problem of Representation.

    There are two additional problems for team Black America that Team PC has worsened. One of these is that there are a lot of decent jobs that used to be pretty black but now are seen as too demeaning and subservient- Steve has mentioned high level golf caddy before as an example. The other is that the educated African and West Indian immigrants and biracial kids have dominated the really choice affirmative action slots for the last couple decades, and that’s probably only getting started. There’s going to be a lot of pressure not to notice that while the number of black lawyers or whatever has started going up, very few of them are descendants of American slaves.

    The version of this I think is funny is how Indian restaurants with Hindu visual themes in their decorations are often run by Muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the States, who are a)less rich than Hindu-Americans and b) less likely to be vegetarians, helpful for running an American restaurant. I’m also told that Japanese and sushi restaurants are disproportionately Korean owned, tho maybe as Korean food itself is becoming more popular that is starting to change.

    I would have thought that the height of folly would be to open a vegetarian restaurant in the Burger Festival City of Akron, Ohio. Apparently I was right because it went (what-the-owner-doesn’t-have-much-of)-up.

    It is with great regret that The VegiTerranean in downtown Akron has closed its doors for the last time.

    This has been a labour of love for me for the last four years. We tried everything we could to keep the restaurant going but unfortunately due to the current economic climate this has not been possible.

    I’d like to thank everybody who helped me try to fulfill my dream. I discovered that vegan cuisine in Ohio has become more appreciated than I imagined. We were even voted among the top 5 vegan restaurants in America by Business Week. Of course my chef Scot Jones is responsible for that, with the help of Tal Ronnen, the man who taught him how to translate his delicious recipes into non meat versions. Last but not least, I’d like to thank our amazing staff, servers and every one of you who dined with us at The VegiTerreanean.

    Your friend, Chrissie Hynde

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  208. @prosa123
    "Don’t blacks in America still mainly have their hair cut by other blacks? That certainly applies in British cities with a sizeable black presence. "

    Interesting you mention that. Just a few days ago I went for a haircut at my usual place. The customers are always white, though the barbers are Turkish. This time, there was a black man getting a haircut, the first one I've seen in 15 years of going there.

    Linh Dinh did an article on blacks not owning businesses that they frequent in Philadelphia and black men are now going to Asian barbers because they are faster and less expensive than black barbers.

    As with many black neighborhood bars, Sit on It is actually not black-owned, but neither are most ghetto grocery stores and restaurants, and one can only conclude that blacks generally can’t compete with non-blacks in running small businesses. Even the black barbershop, that social institution, is being undercut by Asian barbers. On YouTube, there’s a hilarious commentary by Jay Love, a Philly homeboy, on black vs. Asian hair cutters:

    Providing a quicker service, Asian barbers also charge less than half of their black peers’ prices. At Da’ Thairapist Hairquarters, a haircut by Skeet da Barber costs $25, but it’s $30 if you want an appointment, which must be made at least 24 hours in advance. If not, it’s $35.

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/postcard-from-the-end-of-america-point-breeze/

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  209. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrew M
    I do think teaching is a career well-suited to blacks. They would have better classroom control than white teachers. Raw intellectual ability isn’t particularly important, at least for classes up to age 14 or so.

    The teaching profession as a whole is 82% white (2012 figures), so there’s plenty of scope for more black participation.

    The Educational Realist blogger, a high school math teacher who blogs, and who sometimes comments here, has written about some problems that black would-be teachers might confront.

    As I remember it, to teach beyond elementary school you need to pass so-called praxis tests, which for some reason have not been watered down. So if you want to teach high school math you’ve got to pass the math praxis test, and only a small percentage of blacks end up passing it. Also, an ME is almost a requirement for many positions, and although ed schools are notoriously Marxist, there’s something that prevents them from graduating boneheads, I think relating to a legal necessity to maintain certain levels of test passing or risk losing certification.

    I think education administration has fewer barriers overall.

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    The California public high school math teacher test isn't easy. It's not super hard, but it's not trivial.
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  210. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/about/news/new-study-shows-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-at-risk-of-computerisation

    Two studies that came out few yrs ago give different parameters of just how horrible job automation will be. The above study, from Oxford University predicts between a third and 47% of jobs will be automated by the early 2030s. And then there's this study from the OECD that predicts 9% of jobs will be automated over the coming ten to 20 years.....

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/the-risk-of-automation-for-jobs-in-oecd-countries_5jlz9h56dvq7-en

    Even if a tenth of jobs are automated think about the effects on the economy.....

    Of the 40 odd million black Americans.....how many can be the next Denzel or rapper or singer or sports star? Even if every single sports star in America was black there can't be more than what? 20-50k professional sports players... The sector just isn't that big.

    If say a third of jobs vanish I wonder if any of us will even have a job.....

    Television shows showing the factories that make various popular food products are popular in Japan. Invariably they are only 95 percent automated. There is always at least one line where older ladies in clean-room suits stand on their feet for 8 hours a day looking at a fast-moving conveyor belt and picking off the occssional imperfect item. It seems like hell to me.

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  211. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist
    I used to know a black kid whose family ran a soul-food kitchen. One of the more popular restaurants in town, frequented by black folk and white folk alike back in the day when that was possible. Required no student loans, no serious school time, and no tests. A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA.

    Seriously, a career as a business generalist is not the worst way to go; certainly better that token minority hand-out jobs like diversity officer.

    “A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA.”

    I don’t think this is actually a bad idea, even now.

    In one of John McWhorter’s “race” books (which I think most people here should read, for multiple reasons) he bemoans the fact that, whereas immigrants from multiple cultures have managed to put together restaurant chains selling their ancestral cuisines, black Americans have failed yet again.

    I’m a 40ish white guy. I internally call myself a “race realist”. I like “soul food”, and would absolutely eat it on a regular basis. I suspect that a lot of other people would do so too, in the right conditions.

    You’d need a restaurant that is, on the one hand, selling food that is clearly “black”, while on the other hand not promoting any sort of guilt for white people. You’d also need to curtail black activists from trying to “take a cut” and claiming that a “black” restaurant needs to “give back to the community” by doing whatever the activists demand.

    I think that a conservative and practical minded black guy, without political aspirations, could pull this off, if he has the fortitude to resist the grifters. Go for it.

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    The restaurant business is pretty hard. In the restaurant business it helps to have family you can rely on. Mike Royko wrote a column explaining why Greeks owned many of the restaurants in Chicago: e.g., if, say, their chef is sick they get on the phone to their relatives who also own restaurants and see who can lend them a chef.

    Not many American blacks have a lot of reliable relatives, so blacks usually do best working in big white-run bureaucracies where nepotism is frowned upon.

    This may well have been different in the past.

    , @Anonymous
    "Black food" is basically just Southern food. My white schoolteacher mom originally from Georgia would hit any soul food joint we happened upon living in Loas Angeles. She'd critique the greens and cornbread relative to what her mom had made. So a non-threatening place might attract white expats from Southern states, at least the older ones.
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  212. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Putting American engines in old Jags was a rite of passage for hot rodders for decades. A couple of businesses still make a good living selling the kits to do it. The more modern Jaguars are not so modifiable.

    http://www.johnscars.com/


    Want to put an American motor and/or transmission in your Jaguar? It's a snap with John's Cars conversion. Kits are available for the Classic XJ Sedans (1969-1987 XJ6, XJ6C, XJ6L, XJ12, XJ12C, XJ12L), the XJS Coupe and Convertibles, the Mark Series, and the legendary E-Type.
    Jaguar
    Conversions



    Need parts for your Jaguar? Have problems you need to diagnose? Check out our new on-line Broken Kitty Catalog - the best place to find parts and advice on the web. New, rebuilt, used and aftermarket are all available and ready to ship. Place your order online with our easy-to-use, secure shopping cart.
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    Salvation for the anemic TR7: a John’s Cars conversion will provide you with the oomph you deserve (more than a TR8) and saves your Triumph from being on the way to the lonely boneyard. We also have some TR7 parts.
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    Redefine AWESOME with a John's Cars ZCar Chevy V8 conversion. Our bolt-in kit will breathe new life into the original Datsun sports car. We do not carry any parts for the Datsun ZCar.

     

    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6. It is commonly called the "ajayjay" by buffs. These were in turn replaced by the AJ-V6 and AJ-V8 engines, which are Ford designs. These are used in other Ford Motor Co. made vehicles as well.

    Ford continues to make the mistake with most of its engines as it has since the 1940s: it builds a lot of different related but noninterchangeable engines with little to no parts commonality.

    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6.

    All XK engines were DOHC inline sixes.

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    Right,the XJ and the AJ6 were both twin cam in-line sixes. Ajayjay was much lighter and canted over like a Mopar slant six. The XJ40 series saloons were designed on purpose so a V-8 would not fit so they would not abandon Jaguar engines for the Buick derived Rover V8.

    The XJ six was a 700 lb engine. Converting a XJ saloon to SBC and a THM350 took 250 lbs off the car. You had to change or heat drop the front springs.When well done the Chevrollaguar-panthera onca stoveboltus-was a superb car. But one with zero resale value since so many were bodges.
    , @NickG
    Resolution isnt up to snuff to see the oil puddle; but one can practically smell the seeping warm Castrol.
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  213. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    When I was in architecture school, there was a great big push to enroll more black students.

    Right. Architecture is not a good career for building wealth in time for the next generation.

    Famous, rich architects usually tend to be extremely old. Here in Los Angeles, the most famous architect is Frank Gehry, who will be turning 90 next year.

    “Famous, rich architects usually tend to be extremely old.”

    They also tend to be extremely few.

    Gehry was born Frank Goldberg, btw.

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  214. @George
    "Other traits. IQ is not the only important trait."
    That may be true but in the past, the race realists claimed that IQ was the issue behind racial discrimination. It is not clear if iSteve meant to suggest give identical IQs black should still underperform whites.

    "Family support. Some careers require a bigger initial investment."
    I thought the reason capitalist finance existed was to direct financial resources to the best uses. IN a capitalist free market system it would mean IQ is the determinant of who gets capital, not mom and dads bank account.

    “… It is not clear if iSteve meant to suggest give identical IQs black should still underperform whites.”

    He was suggesting they might perform better in some professions as compared to other professions. This could mean underperforming whites in some professions and outperforming them in others.

    “I thought the reason capitalist finance existed was to direct financial resources to the best uses. IN a capitalist free market system it would mean IQ is the determinant of who gets capital, not mom and dads bank account.”

    How is capitalist finance supposed to prevent rich parents from over-investing in their children?

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  215. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Return of Shawn
    According to the BLS, architects make $77,000 a year, while needing a tough bachelor's degree. The work week you describe sounds brutal, though. And the job prospects for architects look poor.

    It’s the only profession I know of where the most coveted jobs pay the least. So it’s sort of a natural fit for upper-class types who don’t need the money. And the only (5-yr) Bachelor’s degree holders I encountered were from Cornell or Cooper Union. Everyone else had a Master’s, usually Ivy League.

    I did like being around extremely smart people all of the time, and I enjoyed the obsession with getting every little thing exactly right in all of your work. Not everyone is like that. What I disliked was being unaware of the changes of the seasons, since you never saw the outdoors except on the rare occasions work took you onto a job site.

    And it’s hard to make ends meet in Manhattan on $55K per year.

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  216. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @James Braxton
    In my experience, they can be very good at tricky, yet repetitive tasks. They can make very good roofers, bricklayers, house painters, landscapers, etc. They also make excellent tailors and seamstresses.

    They have a high tolerance for working in physically difficult conditions such as heat and noxious fumes.

    Pretty much anything that we hire Mexicans to do, blacks would do better, if motivated.

    The ones with higher than average intelligence should start out in these fields and work their way up to owning businesses managing and mentoring crews of their fellow blacks.

    Booker T. Washington laid out the map for this in Up From Slavery.

    I can remember when I was very young, there were older black waiters in the better restaurants and they were uniformly professional and personable–courtly even. Typically well-dressed in white jackets and often, bow-ties. Not remotely self-demeaning, not remotely like a ‘stepin fetchit’, but dedicated to doing their work well and kind, courteous, even gracious. Given that all the patrons were white, these waiters probably did okay with regard to tips, too.

    I’d forgotten about this, because 1) it was a long time ago and 2) there’s nothing remotely like it among today’s negro contingent.

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    Emeril Lagasse's eponymous restaurant in New Orleans still hews to that. Each area of the restaurant is overseen by a dignified, tuxedo-clad black man running a platoon of waiters and busmen, all young black men. I promise you that the tips make it a coveted job.

    There was a humorous finish to our meal there. The girlfriend had just polished off a tremendous triple-cut pork chop, and while the bussers cleared the table, the captain's demeanor changed when he looked at her empty plate. "Girl, where you put that chop?" quoth he.
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  217. Is this a set up for a punch line or hbd Jeopardy?

    What is violent crime?

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  218. jim jones says:
    @Pat Boyle
    I'm not just making this stuff up. I could probably find the real reference or you could just trust me. I'm not saying anything implausible. There was an article last year all over the web from Pew Research. They reported that while until quite recently most respondents to the question had formerly responded that they kept firearms for hunting, now people were reporting that they keep guns for home defense.

    I think that means negroes.

    If you hear a bump inn the night and go to your front door you probably will carry a pistol. I have a Sig Sauer P229 in .40 S&W for just that purpose. But when there is a big riot or natural disaster a pistol is probably the wrong tool. At the Rodney King riots and the Ferguson riots guys defended their neighborhoods with long guns.

    I don't think its geography so much as it is having the room. If you need to face the bad guys outside a rifle or a shotgun makes sense. But in a house or apartment you may not have the space to maneuver. Or at least that's my opinion.

    I live in Oakland California and I also have a rifle (30-06 Remington) and a tactical 12 gauge. My pistol cost a good deal of money but my long guns were cheap. I went to the range a few weeks ago to practice with my pistol but I've never even shot my rifle or shot gun. Oakland is an earth quake zone there's a good chance we will get a shake and have some civil disorder thereafter. I also have some canned food and some water in containers. I don't have much in the way of 'prepping' but I bought a cheap gun safe and two cheap long guns. I may die before the 'Big One' hits or I may die when it hits. It's cheap to take precautions.

    A Korean talks about the riots:

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    As it happens I read a small book this week on the Korean War. It was about how the North with the support of China and the Soviet Union gave tanks and jets to the North and encouraged them to invade the south. One reason the North Koreans didn't make better use of these materials was that at that time only about 20% of the Koreans were literate.

    It was hard for the Russians to establish effective tank schools and pilot training programs with a population that couldn't read. That was 1950. Today we know from Professor Lynn that South Korea has the highest IQ of any nation on earth. We drive Kia's and we watch Samsung TV's. There was an article in the Economist recently that predicted that South Korea would shortly surpass the US in GNP. I don't believe that but it was an astounding economic prediction nonetheless.

    We might compare the arc of South Korean progress with that of Africans in Africa and the Americas. America has poured trillions into programs for the betterment of blacks and none of it seems to have done much. In 1950 Detroit was still a prosperous city. Blacks have sunk themselves and anyone foolish enough to be around them. South Koreans in the same period have created a modern prosperous civilizations on barren ground.

    Seoul seems to be the real world Wakanda.
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  219. Neoconned says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Yes, a salad with delectable pickled veggies and four or five varieties of sweet, succulent pork.

    https://eclecticspot.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/banhmiunstacked.jpg

    Have you tried a cafe su da Vietnamese coffee?

    Not many know but the Gulf Coast region has shitloads of Vietnamese people. They own all the gas stations and shrimp and oyster boats around here….

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    In London many of the petrol stations are run by Sri Lankans. I heard these are usually Tamils.
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  220. @Anonymous
    "A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA."

    I don't think this is actually a bad idea, even now.

    In one of John McWhorter's "race" books (which I think most people here should read, for multiple reasons) he bemoans the fact that, whereas immigrants from multiple cultures have managed to put together restaurant chains selling their ancestral cuisines, black Americans have failed yet again.

    I'm a 40ish white guy. I internally call myself a "race realist". I like "soul food", and would absolutely eat it on a regular basis. I suspect that a lot of other people would do so too, in the right conditions.

    You'd need a restaurant that is, on the one hand, selling food that is clearly "black", while on the other hand not promoting any sort of guilt for white people. You'd also need to curtail black activists from trying to "take a cut" and claiming that a "black" restaurant needs to "give back to the community" by doing whatever the activists demand.

    I think that a conservative and practical minded black guy, without political aspirations, could pull this off, if he has the fortitude to resist the grifters. Go for it.

    The restaurant business is pretty hard. In the restaurant business it helps to have family you can rely on. Mike Royko wrote a column explaining why Greeks owned many of the restaurants in Chicago: e.g., if, say, their chef is sick they get on the phone to their relatives who also own restaurants and see who can lend them a chef.

    Not many American blacks have a lot of reliable relatives, so blacks usually do best working in big white-run bureaucracies where nepotism is frowned upon.

    This may well have been different in the past.

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  221. @Realist
    Doesn't Israel have a 'big' wall????

    Interesting that the builder of Israel’s wall also supports the anti-white EFF in South Africa: https://blf.org.za/2017/11/02/eff-march-to-israeli-embassy-is-fake/

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    Hypocrisy runs amok.
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  222. @Anonymous
    The Educational Realist blogger, a high school math teacher who blogs, and who sometimes comments here, has written about some problems that black would-be teachers might confront.

    As I remember it, to teach beyond elementary school you need to pass so-called praxis tests, which for some reason have not been watered down. So if you want to teach high school math you've got to pass the math praxis test, and only a small percentage of blacks end up passing it. Also, an ME is almost a requirement for many positions, and although ed schools are notoriously Marxist, there's something that prevents them from graduating boneheads, I think relating to a legal necessity to maintain certain levels of test passing or risk losing certification.

    I think education administration has fewer barriers overall.

    The California public high school math teacher test isn’t easy. It’s not super hard, but it’s not trivial.

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  223. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6.
     
    All XK engines were DOHC inline sixes.

    http://mycarquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-06-at-2.15.49-PM.png

    http://mycarquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-06-at-2.15.11-PM.png

    Right,the XJ and the AJ6 were both twin cam in-line sixes. Ajayjay was much lighter and canted over like a Mopar slant six. The XJ40 series saloons were designed on purpose so a V-8 would not fit so they would not abandon Jaguar engines for the Buick derived Rover V8.

    The XJ six was a 700 lb engine. Converting a XJ saloon to SBC and a THM350 took 250 lbs off the car. You had to change or heat drop the front springs.When well done the Chevrollaguar-panthera onca stoveboltus-was a superb car. But one with zero resale value since so many were bodges.

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  224. @Neoconned
    Have you tried a cafe su da Vietnamese coffee?

    Not many know but the Gulf Coast region has shitloads of Vietnamese people. They own all the gas stations and shrimp and oyster boats around here....

    In London many of the petrol stations are run by Sri Lankans. I heard these are usually Tamils.

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    Yeah. During the war there many of them were apparently connected to LTTE credit card fraud schemes.
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  225. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    "A chain of these could be put together by a good Black MBA."

    I don't think this is actually a bad idea, even now.

    In one of John McWhorter's "race" books (which I think most people here should read, for multiple reasons) he bemoans the fact that, whereas immigrants from multiple cultures have managed to put together restaurant chains selling their ancestral cuisines, black Americans have failed yet again.

    I'm a 40ish white guy. I internally call myself a "race realist". I like "soul food", and would absolutely eat it on a regular basis. I suspect that a lot of other people would do so too, in the right conditions.

    You'd need a restaurant that is, on the one hand, selling food that is clearly "black", while on the other hand not promoting any sort of guilt for white people. You'd also need to curtail black activists from trying to "take a cut" and claiming that a "black" restaurant needs to "give back to the community" by doing whatever the activists demand.

    I think that a conservative and practical minded black guy, without political aspirations, could pull this off, if he has the fortitude to resist the grifters. Go for it.

    “Black food” is basically just Southern food. My white schoolteacher mom originally from Georgia would hit any soul food joint we happened upon living in Loas Angeles. She’d critique the greens and cornbread relative to what her mom had made. So a non-threatening place might attract white expats from Southern states, at least the older ones.

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  226. BB753 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Government.

    Government work offers the following benefits.

    -Amazing benefits (medical, dental, pension).
    -You can often retire early, often in your 50s.
    -It's really hard to get fired or have your wages cut.
    -Slow pace of work and minimal pressure to perform.
    -Lots of tolerance for incompetence and laziness.
    -Much of the time is spent on easy BS activities.
    -No threat from automation, downsizing, outsourcing, or immigration.
    -Pay is actually pretty decent these days.
    -Senior govt employees may not get huge pay packages, but they have a decent work/life balance.

    Government will have to downsize, eventually. Will the Blacks remain and the Whites be sacked? Who’ll do the adult supervision if that were to happen?

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  227. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat
    In London many of the petrol stations are run by Sri Lankans. I heard these are usually Tamils.

    Yeah. During the war there many of them were apparently connected to LTTE credit card fraud schemes.

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  228. @Intelligent Dasein

    Ick, 99%+99%!? Shoulda said, 1% skill and 99% charisma/bullshit.
     
    I liked it better the first way. It had a Yogi-esque wisdom to it.

    I liked the 99% and 99% too. The Yogi Berra versions:
    “Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical.”
    “You give 100 per cent in the first half of the game, and if that isn’t enough in the second half you give what’s left.”

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  229. Brutusale says:
    @ic1000
    American blacks are our fellow citizens, anon. They deserve fair treatment.

    The new elites learning and practicing noblesse oblige would be much better for blacks (and non-top-10% non-blacks) than the policies you suggest.

    Blacks have to realize that America has reached Peak Black. Our new Asian Overlords have little tolerance for YT, never mind the Dindu-American Community.

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  230. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @education realist
    I actually did write about this: The Available Pool:

    I made some predictions before looking at the data:

    Blacks would be a higher percentage of elementary/middle school teachers than of high school teachers. I couldn’t sort out academic teachers from special ed and PE teachers, and I wasn’t sure whether sped teachers would be included in the count. But given the easier licensure test, I was betting the percentage would be higher.

    There would be more black school administrators than black high school teachers.

    The ratio of black lawyers and doctors to black high school teachers would be higher than the ratio of white lawyers and doctors to white high school teachers (in absolute numbers).

    The ratio of black social workers to black teachers would be much higher than the same ratio for white teachers.


    I got a lot right--wrong on 3, but mainly because I didn't understand how frigging many white lawyers we have.

    What the data suggests is that from a cognitive perspective, blacks prefer medicine to teaching and teaching to law.

    I suggested then, and still do, that anyone wanting to improve the representation of black in highly cognitive fields do the following:

    Create a k-3 teaching credential with lower cognitive standards and persuade a lot of black social workers to become teachers.

    Encourage black ES teachers with any skill in math to get an algebra only math credential (something many states offer).

    Push for a more practical hands on law-degree. The LSAT is one of the hardest verbal tests in existence and it's speed-based. The LSAT reading section is brutal. It's getting harder and harder to find data, but I wouldn't be surprised if the black-white gap on the LSAT and ACT were wider than the one on the SAT, simply because the old SAT particularly had much more generous time requirements.

    However, the LSAT is a great indicator of how one will do in law school, because law school is an intensely abstract, highly verbal exercise that is widely acknowledged to do very little to prepare one for lawyering, and much more likely to prepare one for being a judge. As law school gets more and more competitive for whites, the average class ability level is increasingly above the average black law school graduate. But that doesn't mean they'd be terrible lawyers. Johnny Cochrane probably wasn't a great intellect, but he was a brilliant tactician who used facts on the ground very well.

    So a more practice-based law school--and for that matter, a more practice-based med school, might do more to bring in people with decent skills but not great intellect. Something that will be increasingly useful not just for blacks.

    There are law schools that have the reputation of being glorified bar review courses. Southwestern has a bit of that odor about it. It’s more teach to the test than, say, Berkeley Law. But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.

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    But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.

     

    Your professor didn't.
    http://blog.mjplaw.org/2011/08/17/why-was-former-stanford-law-school-dean-kathleen-sullivan-failed-on-the-california-experienced-attorney-bar-exam/
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  231. Brutusale says:
    @Truth
    Dude, only a complete prick spells "donut" like William of Orange would, or Ketchup beginning with "c-a-t-s."

    Not when you grew up in cities and towns in the Northeast with names like Marlborough, Foxborough, etc. When the networks showing Patriots games flash the obligatory “church steeple and colorful foliage” shots pregame, they dumb it down to “Foxboro” so the NFL-Americans don’t have to deal with too many letters.

    http://www.foxboroughma.gov/pages/index

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  232. @Paul Rise
    A better question - what is a good career for an African american that won't be replaced by automation or AI in the next 20 years?

    Agreed.

    So far public policy seems to be ignoring the threat that AI poses to ALL employment.

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  233. Pat Boyle says:
    @ScarletNumber
    One-way boat tickets to Liberia?

    You read a lot of comments like yours on Web blogs. Some white guy will feel frustrated by years of black behavior and he will after much soul searching finally reject all the social pretenses about integration and assimilation and he will announce his support for the “send them back to Africa” solution.

    I understand, but I wonder if such ideas are helpful or sufficient.

    First of all you have to face the issue of compulsion. No blacks or very, very few are going to get on that boat to Liberia voluntarily. Liberia is not an attractive destination. In the first half of the nineteenth century Liberia might have seemed like a good idea. But Charles Taylor and the civil war he fostered have killed off all hope. The United States is the most attractive destination for people of all colors and races. No one wants to move to black Africa. If you are going to get black people to go to anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa except the remnants of white South Africa you will need to employ force. And the blacks will resist. And you will need to kill those who resist.

    Saying “send them back to Africa” means kill them. If you are prepared to kill them you might as well kill them here and avoid all the shipping expenses. If you are not prepared to enact a program of naked genocide you should stop fooling yourself.

    I think America and Europe are a long way from accepting racial genocide so advocating the equivalent of mass murder is a just a way of escaping into fantasy. It is the same sort of process that leads blacks into believing in Wakanda.

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    No, I think that a lot could be done by even a moderately pro-white government without going anywhere near mass murder, genocide or concentration camps.

    Establishing a voluntary reparations program-offering disillusioned descendants of former slaves a very attractive nest egg, consisting of a partial lump sum payment and a lifetime annuity after that, for voluntarily but irrevocably leaving the country (where they go is not that important as long as it's not here). Few would accept, but the point is that it is available.

    Limiting EBT to healthy staples and cutting off twinkies, grape pop made with HFCS, and so forth could be done.

    Norplanting girls in inner city high schools, mandatory DNA testing of all infants getting WIC funds and tracking down baby daddys that don't pay child support and putting them in Arpaio like facilities unless they get vasectomized-there are those who will squawk, but done by a solidly pro-white government, you bet it would be effective.

    And of course mandatory universal military service a la Switzerland would provide a lot of ways to implement all sorts of things.
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  234. BB753 says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    When my ad agency used to go to brainstorming sessions at Procter & Gamble, for a while they had a black guy whose job it was to sit in the meeting and make little sketches of images that the discussion inspired in him. These were not particularly interesting or of any value. It seemed like the most obvious make-work corporate diversity job imaginable, but I suppose P&G can afford to indulge in that. Hey, kudos to us, we got a black guy into the conference room! They were quite obsessed with Diversity.

    Were the doodles satanic in nature by contract? Lol!

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  235. fish says:
    @Neoconned
    http://www.eng.ox.ac.uk/about/news/new-study-shows-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-at-risk-of-computerisation

    Two studies that came out few yrs ago give different parameters of just how horrible job automation will be. The above study, from Oxford University predicts between a third and 47% of jobs will be automated by the early 2030s. And then there's this study from the OECD that predicts 9% of jobs will be automated over the coming ten to 20 years.....

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/the-risk-of-automation-for-jobs-in-oecd-countries_5jlz9h56dvq7-en

    Even if a tenth of jobs are automated think about the effects on the economy.....

    Of the 40 odd million black Americans.....how many can be the next Denzel or rapper or singer or sports star? Even if every single sports star in America was black there can't be more than what? 20-50k professional sports players... The sector just isn't that big.

    If say a third of jobs vanish I wonder if any of us will even have a job.....

    If say a third of jobs vanish I wonder if any of us will even have a job…..

    Wonder who will be buying all those products coming of those lines……?

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    That's why a lot of people who are into crypto currency are toying with the idea of whether or not Bitcoin is hyper DEFLATIONARY.... meaning where are you going to hide your cash if the govt starts doing CAPITAL taxation and asset seizures of law abiding citizens in the name of fighting tax evasion but really it's to keep the various minority and .gov patronage schemes going....

    I'm not going to go conspiracy theory on you but the near term looks spooky. In 2012 there were only 2.9 workers paying into Social Security for 1 taking out....by 2028 it'll be roughly a 2:1 ratio for payers to ratios....Boomers and older people actually vote and demand Congress finance to their retirements....a 2:1 usage ratio is a Ponzi scheme...

    Think about it....you think the Feds are going to be able to juice all these anchor brats and illegal aliens for Social Security taxes? My dad hit 60 recently and he went on disability....his knees are gone....

    Who are they going to tax to finance all these benefits for senior citizens....and the answer of course is anybody and everything they can....

    Tax evasion is going to become rampant when they target working class people. People will go to gold and crypto currencies to hide their money. Land is too easily regulated and so are bank and retirement accounts....things are going to get spooky and black markets will boom over the coming 20 yrs
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  236. Pat Boyle says:
    @jim jones
    A Korean talks about the riots:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYT9Hew9ZU

    As it happens I read a small book this week on the Korean War. It was about how the North with the support of China and the Soviet Union gave tanks and jets to the North and encouraged them to invade the south. One reason the North Koreans didn’t make better use of these materials was that at that time only about 20% of the Koreans were literate.

    It was hard for the Russians to establish effective tank schools and pilot training programs with a population that couldn’t read. That was 1950. Today we know from Professor Lynn that South Korea has the highest IQ of any nation on earth. We drive Kia’s and we watch Samsung TV’s. There was an article in the Economist recently that predicted that South Korea would shortly surpass the US in GNP. I don’t believe that but it was an astounding economic prediction nonetheless.

    We might compare the arc of South Korean progress with that of Africans in Africa and the Americas. America has poured trillions into programs for the betterment of blacks and none of it seems to have done much. In 1950 Detroit was still a prosperous city. Blacks have sunk themselves and anyone foolish enough to be around them. South Koreans in the same period have created a modern prosperous civilizations on barren ground.

    Seoul seems to be the real world Wakanda.

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  237. David G says:
    @Danindc
    When I lived in Chicago and used to play poker at some of the casinos I noticed some of the black girls were good dealers. Possibly anecdotal but it struck me. Moved quickly, kept game going. Math not a problem etc

    I think you may be on to something. I’ve noticed an aptitude for card games, dominoes, dice.

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  238. @Pseudonymic Handle
    My guess is that law is a high IQ field in the US because of serious efforts to restrict competition among lawyers by demanding the JD to be a postgraduate degree and by using an unnecessarily tough bar examination.
    In my country, law is a 4-years undergraduate degree on par with business as a popular degree for people looking for decent jobs. It is also among the cheapest college degrees because it doesn't require labs or other expensive stuff, just professors, classrooms and a library.
    From my experience, having good grades in law school doesn't necessarily reflect in professional performance. While some cognitive abilities like creativity, memory and logic are needed, the most successful lawyers are people who are very convincing, both in front of the court and in front of their clients. That favours people with strong social skills rather than nerds, teacher pets and bookworms.
    In my class, the best students were girls, but many of them had middling careers and even quit the field due to stress and long hours.
    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.

    What is your country?

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  239. Old fogey says:
    @Anonymous
    "What Careers Should Blacks Tend to Specialize In?"

    Blacks can do anything, and everything, and better than everyone else, as demonstrated by the superior country of Wakanda. But they have to be away from wicked whites, and exploitative Chinese, off in their own land in Africa away from everyone else, or otherwise they somehow every time turn out to be so fragile they get outwitted at every turn and cannot compete, even though they are better than everyone else. So let us all support a fair turn for blacks and help them all migrate away to Africa to build Novus Wakanda.

    “So let us all support a fair turn for blacks and help them all migrate away to Africa to build Novus Wakanda.”

    I would be happy to contribute to such a worthy cause.

    By the way, it would be healthier for them to return to Africa as well, as darker skins do not produce as much Vitamin D in the wintertime as whiter skins do. No one talks about the health effects of migration.

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    One big reason why violent crime levels plummet in cold weather.
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  240. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    My guess is that law is a high IQ field in the US because of serious efforts to restrict competition among lawyers by demanding the JD to be a postgraduate degree and by using an unnecessarily tough bar examination.
    In my country, law is a 4-years undergraduate degree on par with business as a popular degree for people looking for decent jobs. It is also among the cheapest college degrees because it doesn't require labs or other expensive stuff, just professors, classrooms and a library.
    From my experience, having good grades in law school doesn't necessarily reflect in professional performance. While some cognitive abilities like creativity, memory and logic are needed, the most successful lawyers are people who are very convincing, both in front of the court and in front of their clients. That favours people with strong social skills rather than nerds, teacher pets and bookworms.
    In my class, the best students were girls, but many of them had middling careers and even quit the field due to stress and long hours.
    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.

    Females wash out of the legal profession at startlingly high rates in the United States too. Struggling as an associate at a competitive law firm can be more demanding (and unpleasant) than attending and graduating from law school.

    Then their (much lower) career earnings from working in the yoga pants shop or from blogging about their scrapbooking “business” are used by SJWs as further evidence of the gender pay gap.

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  241. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Old fogey
    "So let us all support a fair turn for blacks and help them all migrate away to Africa to build Novus Wakanda."

    I would be happy to contribute to such a worthy cause.

    By the way, it would be healthier for them to return to Africa as well, as darker skins do not produce as much Vitamin D in the wintertime as whiter skins do. No one talks about the health effects of migration.

    One big reason why violent crime levels plummet in cold weather.

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  242. Neoconned says:
    @fish

    If say a third of jobs vanish I wonder if any of us will even have a job…..
     
    Wonder who will be buying all those products coming of those lines......?

    That’s why a lot of people who are into crypto currency are toying with the idea of whether or not Bitcoin is hyper DEFLATIONARY…. meaning where are you going to hide your cash if the govt starts doing CAPITAL taxation and asset seizures of law abiding citizens in the name of fighting tax evasion but really it’s to keep the various minority and .gov patronage schemes going….

    I’m not going to go conspiracy theory on you but the near term looks spooky. In 2012 there were only 2.9 workers paying into Social Security for 1 taking out….by 2028 it’ll be roughly a 2:1 ratio for payers to ratios….Boomers and older people actually vote and demand Congress finance to their retirements….a 2:1 usage ratio is a Ponzi scheme…

    Think about it….you think the Feds are going to be able to juice all these anchor brats and illegal aliens for Social Security taxes? My dad hit 60 recently and he went on disability….his knees are gone….

    Who are they going to tax to finance all these benefits for senior citizens….and the answer of course is anybody and everything they can….

    Tax evasion is going to become rampant when they target working class people. People will go to gold and crypto currencies to hide their money. Land is too easily regulated and so are bank and retirement accounts….things are going to get spooky and black markets will boom over the coming 20 yrs

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  243. Truth says:
    @Anonymous
    There are law schools that have the reputation of being glorified bar review courses. Southwestern has a bit of that odor about it. It's more teach to the test than, say, Berkeley Law. But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.

    But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.

    Your professor didn’t.

    http://blog.mjplaw.org/2011/08/17/why-was-former-stanford-law-school-dean-kathleen-sullivan-failed-on-the-california-experienced-attorney-bar-exam/

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    Truth:

    The proffered explanation for the Stanford law school dean's bar exam failure was a whole load of malarkey.

    A much better explanation was given some time ago by Dr Bernard Meltzer, a dispenser of good advice on a local radio station (WOR). To wit: the top five lawyers in NYC would fail the bar exam if they now had to take it over. The reason: the exam does not measure what is necessary to be a super lawyer and the extraneous/superfluous bar exam stuff had long since been forgotten!

    , @Autochthon
    Lawyers in academia, generally speaking, have no foggy idea how to practice law. I wouldn't hire one to handle a parking ticket.

    I passed the bar exam about two years after law school by studying some guides I bought for a week at a coffeehouse (I'd detoured into academia myself a while so hadn't bothered with the exam earlier). Many academics could just as easily sit and pass a bar exam quickly. Many could not. Lawyers of any stripe are hardly a monolithic bunch.

    Doughnut.

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  244. res says:
    @George
    "What do you think the test score and GPA part of the description was about?"

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What's Black got to do with it? Ben Carson seems to be a legit brain surgeon, what career should he have chosen based on being black?

    Why would Blacks with a certain IQ have different prospects than white/asian/ect people with a certain IQ. What’s Black got to do with it?

    Affirmative action is an obvious reason. James B. Shearer gave a good list you will probably like better though.

    P.S. I think you were looking for “etc.” Also, your use of Black/white/asian is a nice tell.

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  245. Nico says:
    @AndrewR
    While white nationalists and most leftists generally frame everything in a "white vs nonwhite" way, the most natural schism is probably black vs nonblack. As the US becomes less white, we will probably see the latter schism become more prominent.

    It’s probably somewhat more complicated than that. In Britain “Asian” is often synonymous with “subcontinental” and Pakis in particular are definitely not coming out away from the fringes, nor are other Muslims across Europe.

    But of course America’s ethnic headaches are largely non-Islamic (apart from a few nasty terrorist attacks which of course can and should be dealt with more forcefully). Without the relentless victimhood glorification that is so in vogue Asians in America *might* conceivably be solidly right-wing (though this is not certain).

    Hispanics I would argue are something of a wild card. You look at Miami, for example: there are lots of troublemakers but there is also a decent supply of dependable folks, if one is willing to look for them. True, the dependable folks are often but by no means always of entirely or mostly European stock, but the troublemakers (unless with “troublemakers” you count whiny pseudo-intellectuals and professional ethnic cheerleaders, and perhaps we ought to) are definitely *not* on the white side of the mestizo and mulatto spectra, if you get my drift.

    I do think you are on to something but I haven’t yet hit on a “template” that provides an accurate guiding light for an optimal coalition in the inevitable upcoming mêlées. For now I focus my attention on countering the ruthless intersectionalist propaganda and inviting the adversary to face his cognitive dissonances, within of course the modest means that I have to do so.

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  246. Dan Hayes says:
    @Truth

    But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.

     

    Your professor didn't.
    http://blog.mjplaw.org/2011/08/17/why-was-former-stanford-law-school-dean-kathleen-sullivan-failed-on-the-california-experienced-attorney-bar-exam/

    Truth:

    The proffered explanation for the Stanford law school dean’s bar exam failure was a whole load of malarkey.

    A much better explanation was given some time ago by Dr Bernard Meltzer, a dispenser of good advice on a local radio station (WOR). To wit: the top five lawyers in NYC would fail the bar exam if they now had to take it over. The reason: the exam does not measure what is necessary to be a super lawyer and the extraneous/superfluous bar exam stuff had long since been forgotten!

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    A much better explanation was given some time ago by Dr Bernard Meltzer, a dispenser of good advice on a local radio station (WOR). To wit: the top five lawyers in NYC would fail the bar exam if they now had to take it over. The reason: the exam does not measure what is necessary to be a super lawyer and the extraneous/superfluous bar exam stuff had long since been forgotten!
     
    Yes, but the average workaday lawyer needs black letter law, all the time.

    And the public usually hears about people working on the unroutine cases, not the routine ones.
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  247. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Boyle
    You read a lot of comments like yours on Web blogs. Some white guy will feel frustrated by years of black behavior and he will after much soul searching finally reject all the social pretenses about integration and assimilation and he will announce his support for the "send them back to Africa" solution.

    I understand, but I wonder if such ideas are helpful or sufficient.

    First of all you have to face the issue of compulsion. No blacks or very, very few are going to get on that boat to Liberia voluntarily. Liberia is not an attractive destination. In the first half of the nineteenth century Liberia might have seemed like a good idea. But Charles Taylor and the civil war he fostered have killed off all hope. The United States is the most attractive destination for people of all colors and races. No one wants to move to black Africa. If you are going to get black people to go to anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa except the remnants of white South Africa you will need to employ force. And the blacks will resist. And you will need to kill those who resist.

    Saying "send them back to Africa" means kill them. If you are prepared to kill them you might as well kill them here and avoid all the shipping expenses. If you are not prepared to enact a program of naked genocide you should stop fooling yourself.

    I think America and Europe are a long way from accepting racial genocide so advocating the equivalent of mass murder is a just a way of escaping into fantasy. It is the same sort of process that leads blacks into believing in Wakanda.

    No, I think that a lot could be done by even a moderately pro-white government without going anywhere near mass murder, genocide or concentration camps.

    Establishing a voluntary reparations program-offering disillusioned descendants of former slaves a very attractive nest egg, consisting of a partial lump sum payment and a lifetime annuity after that, for voluntarily but irrevocably leaving the country (where they go is not that important as long as it’s not here). Few would accept, but the point is that it is available.

    Limiting EBT to healthy staples and cutting off twinkies, grape pop made with HFCS, and so forth could be done.

    Norplanting girls in inner city high schools, mandatory DNA testing of all infants getting WIC funds and tracking down baby daddys that don’t pay child support and putting them in Arpaio like facilities unless they get vasectomized-there are those who will squawk, but done by a solidly pro-white government, you bet it would be effective.

    And of course mandatory universal military service a la Switzerland would provide a lot of ways to implement all sorts of things.

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  248. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    Truth:

    The proffered explanation for the Stanford law school dean's bar exam failure was a whole load of malarkey.

    A much better explanation was given some time ago by Dr Bernard Meltzer, a dispenser of good advice on a local radio station (WOR). To wit: the top five lawyers in NYC would fail the bar exam if they now had to take it over. The reason: the exam does not measure what is necessary to be a super lawyer and the extraneous/superfluous bar exam stuff had long since been forgotten!

    A much better explanation was given some time ago by Dr Bernard Meltzer, a dispenser of good advice on a local radio station (WOR). To wit: the top five lawyers in NYC would fail the bar exam if they now had to take it over. The reason: the exam does not measure what is necessary to be a super lawyer and the extraneous/superfluous bar exam stuff had long since been forgotten!

    Yes, but the average workaday lawyer needs black letter law, all the time.

    And the public usually hears about people working on the unroutine cases, not the routine ones.

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  249. Dan Hayes says:

    Anonymous:

    Thank you for your comment. I believe that Dr Meltzer believed that these “super lawyers” were acting on the basis of their life experiences in the law and not on the nitty-gritty arcane questions of law whose only purpose was to appear on bar exams.

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  250. Realist says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    Interesting that the builder of Israel’s wall also supports the anti-white EFF in South Africa: https://blf.org.za/2017/11/02/eff-march-to-israeli-embassy-is-fake/

    Hypocrisy runs amok.

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  251. jackmcg says:

    Implying they aren’t perfectly happy to take diversity money and liberal kudos with it, and they’d be happier being teachers. Come on.

    These suggestions are certainly more appropriate. But don’t kid yourselves into thinking its “better for them”. 110 IQ blacks get handed free money and status. Running a donut shop or teaching your little brats is a massive step down for them.

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  252. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous
    I can remember when I was very young, there were older black waiters in the better restaurants and they were uniformly professional and personable--courtly even. Typically well-dressed in white jackets and often, bow-ties. Not remotely self-demeaning, not remotely like a 'stepin fetchit', but dedicated to doing their work well and kind, courteous, even gracious. Given that all the patrons were white, these waiters probably did okay with regard to tips, too.

    I'd forgotten about this, because 1) it was a long time ago and 2) there's nothing remotely like it among today's negro contingent.

    Emeril Lagasse’s eponymous restaurant in New Orleans still hews to that. Each area of the restaurant is overseen by a dignified, tuxedo-clad black man running a platoon of waiters and busmen, all young black men. I promise you that the tips make it a coveted job.

    There was a humorous finish to our meal there. The girlfriend had just polished off a tremendous triple-cut pork chop, and while the bussers cleared the table, the captain’s demeanor changed when he looked at her empty plate. “Girl, where you put that chop?” quoth he.

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  253. NickG says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle
    My guess is that law is a high IQ field in the US because of serious efforts to restrict competition among lawyers by demanding the JD to be a postgraduate degree and by using an unnecessarily tough bar examination.
    In my country, law is a 4-years undergraduate degree on par with business as a popular degree for people looking for decent jobs. It is also among the cheapest college degrees because it doesn't require labs or other expensive stuff, just professors, classrooms and a library.
    From my experience, having good grades in law school doesn't necessarily reflect in professional performance. While some cognitive abilities like creativity, memory and logic are needed, the most successful lawyers are people who are very convincing, both in front of the court and in front of their clients. That favours people with strong social skills rather than nerds, teacher pets and bookworms.
    In my class, the best students were girls, but many of them had middling careers and even quit the field due to stress and long hours.
    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.

    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.

    Maybe, but only 2.2% of US blacks will make the 115 IQ threshold – given a black IQ average of 85 with a Standard Deviation of 15.

    This against 16% of whites who will make the 115 IQ cut – given a white IQ average of 100 and a Standard Deviation of 15.

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    The 2.2 percent assumes a standard deviation of 15, equal to that of whites. If you use an SD of 12, the number is 0.62 percent.

    I think that in general there are a lot of professions that require a high IQ that the rare qualified black will never work in, even if qualified. Such a person will have so many options available that he will tend to pick the highest paying, most enjoyable, easiest profession available to him.

    For instance, let's assume for the sake of argument that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is not the buffoon who got kicked out of one Ph.D. program before another one gave him a degree, but rather is a brilliant potential Nobel laureate. It takes a lot of work to do astrophysics on that level, and it doesn't pay much, not even to Nobel laureates. So Tyson might still have become a figurehead cum public celebrity, even if he had the chops to be a great scientist.
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  254. NickG says:
    @Anonymous

    Jaguars had the old heavy XK6 engine or occasionally a needlessly complicated V12 for years, backed (often) by some questionable transmissions. In the late 80s they went to a DOHC inline six which was lighter and more modern, the AJ6.
     
    All XK engines were DOHC inline sixes.

    http://mycarquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-06-at-2.15.49-PM.png

    http://mycarquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-06-at-2.15.11-PM.png

    Resolution isnt up to snuff to see the oil puddle; but one can practically smell the seeping warm Castrol.

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  255. @Truth

    But if you can graduate from Berkeley, you probably have the ability to prepare for the bar from scratch over the summer, even while working.

     

    Your professor didn't.
    http://blog.mjplaw.org/2011/08/17/why-was-former-stanford-law-school-dean-kathleen-sullivan-failed-on-the-california-experienced-attorney-bar-exam/

    Lawyers in academia, generally speaking, have no foggy idea how to practice law. I wouldn’t hire one to handle a parking ticket.

    I passed the bar exam about two years after law school by studying some guides I bought for a week at a coffeehouse (I’d detoured into academia myself a while so hadn’t bothered with the exam earlier). Many academics could just as easily sit and pass a bar exam quickly. Many could not. Lawyers of any stripe are hardly a monolithic bunch.

    Doughnut.

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  256. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @NickG

    Given that blacks show good social skills, there is no reason, for which those of them who are smart enough (IQ >115) to practice law and willing to put up with the hard work and the craziness of this profession, should not do well.
     
    Maybe, but only 2.2% of US blacks will make the 115 IQ threshold - given a black IQ average of 85 with a Standard Deviation of 15.

    This against 16% of whites who will make the 115 IQ cut - given a white IQ average of 100 and a Standard Deviation of 15.

    The 2.2 percent assumes a standard deviation of 15, equal to that of whites. If you use an SD of 12, the number is 0.62 percent.

    I think that in general there are a lot of professions that require a high IQ that the rare qualified black will never work in, even if qualified. Such a person will have so many options available that he will tend to pick the highest paying, most enjoyable, easiest profession available to him.

    For instance, let’s assume for the sake of argument that Neil DeGrasse Tyson is not the buffoon who got kicked out of one Ph.D. program before another one gave him a degree, but rather is a brilliant potential Nobel laureate. It takes a lot of work to do astrophysics on that level, and it doesn’t pay much, not even to Nobel laureates. So Tyson might still have become a figurehead cum public celebrity, even if he had the chops to be a great scientist.

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  257. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT

    Did you see it?

    How high it is?

    A wall that big?

    This is a big wall.

    What do you think?

    Nancy Pelosi: Trump's border wall is too high and 'obnoxious'

    Poets of Unz needed.

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  258. @Truth
    OK Gents here is the answer to your question.

    As a general rule of thumb, young black males, need a few things to fit well in a career:

    1.) Some sort of physical aspect to the work.*
    2.) Interaction with others.
    3.) A feeling of tangible accomplishment at the end of the day.
    4.) Some feeling of direct competition with one's peers.
    4.) A five-sense, rather than an intuitive, orientation to the work.

    *The work does not have to be tiring, or exhausting, but most young black men simply have too much energy to sit behind a desk for 8 hour shuffling paper.

    ** This is not necessarily to case with black women who have a wider orientation of "success."

    Jobs listed above in many cases meet these requirements. Construction, sales UPS, the post office, coaching, landscaping, mechanics, bricklaying, the military, police, tailor, greyhound, etc. meet these requirements.

    Fields like Financial analysis, engineering, architecture, white-collar entrepreneurship, philosophy professor, business analytics, more pedantic fields of law, etc. that do not have the interaction, kinetics, direct competition and require, "in order to achieve c, I have to do a, and encourage x not to do b", are not good career fields for most young black males. They get bored, and then the boredom leads them in highly unacceptable directions.

    On the other hand, "I need to do this today, I have to do this much of it, and the guy next to me can only do this much" works pretty well. This is also the reason black males develop such an irritation with purely philosophical arguments. There is a tangibility missing.

    I find it surprising that no one has replied to this.

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  259. MBlanc46 says:
    @Laugh Track

    And the real question is, Steve, why do you spell doughnut as “donut”? Is that a California thing?
     
    Yeah, totally a California thing. Used nowhere else in the country.

    https://www.dunkindonuts.com/en

    Hello! Dunkin’ Donuts. I think they’re everywhere.

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