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What exactly does being genetically Mexican mean? Being mestizo?

How many famous Mexican movie directors like Cuaron and Del Toro would pass a genetic test as “Mexican” if it meant mestizo?

By the way, 23andMe reported that the ancestry of its self-identified non-Hispanic white American customers was less than 0.2% Amerindian on average.

I’m not a big gun-grabber, but the last time I vacationed in Mexico there were too many guys with fifth-grade educations standing around holding AK-47s for my peace of mind.

Similarly, former Mexican foreign minister Jorge Castaneda wrote a book touching on how Mexico could attract more paying American tourists and, especially, retirees: one of his suggestions was to install more traffic lights to make crossing the street in Mexico less terrifying. But his biggest suggestion was that Mexicans retire the use of the ethnic slur gringo.

 
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  1. What metric would you even theoretically use to identify Mexican DNA?

    Pre-European Mesoamerican gene sequences? Any Indian gene sequences at all? Iberian gene sequences? Any of the above?

    • Agree: Hail
  2. jackson says:

    The hicks in that commercial look a lot more attractive than the Aztec goblins I see every single day in real life when I drive my kids to school through Highland Park in LA.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @anon
  3. Anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:

    Mexico values being Mexican more than the Yanqui tourist dollar, I guess. So it’s doubtful they will do much.

  4. The answer is to do what they pretty much are already doing.

    Until about 10 years ago, my friends and I would all go over and it was great. From the time I was old enough to drive we’d go, but there was the understanding; stay in the gringo friendly parts of town, get as drunk as you want, but don’t cause trouble. I’ve heard that many of those towns are now pretty safe again, but haven’t been myself, so I can’t say for certain.

    It’s not that they’re weren’t people who’d gladly mug a tourist, but my suspicion, as well as many of my friends and relatives, was that the Mexican cops would round the up and beat the living crap out them if they even looked funny at a U.S. citizen. Leaving the tourist zone to look for drugs or what not (excluding, (partly) boystown) meant all bets were off.

    Tourist dollars bring in a lot of money, so tourist towns are pretty safe (more so than, like, East Saint Louis), but driving through Mexico … I’ve heard different stories. Most times you’re good, but I’ve heard the bad ones too.

    Also, keep in mind, back in the 80’s the city of Miami had to put up ‘don’t exit here’ signs for the benefit of international tourists, several of whom had been robbed and murdered by accidentally going into the more vibrant parts of town.

  5. Lagertha says:

    DNA Discounts! this is joke, right? And, all those obviously fat and rednecky people are just actors, right?

    • Replies: @Lot
  6. They can build enclaves for gringos only, surrounded by 50′ high walls.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Stan d Mute
  7. Lagertha says:

    I still won’t go to Mexico (have never been) since some 24 yr old got kid-napped in Costa Rica ( I know, dif country) and I think anything South of the Border is chaotic, deadly…results in misery one way or the other. If I want a beach and drinks I can think of hundreds of places without having to worry about dystopian/corrupt countries/violent environments. I am allergic to violence.

    • Replies: @Western
  8. Less Mexicans.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  9. Travis says:

    allow Americans to own land in Baja and along the pacific coast from Mazatlán to Acapulco.

    • Replies: @Flip
  10. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    It wasn’t clear if the people in the ad were actors. The airline did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

    I wonder? Could they be actors?

    One thing AeroMexico could do is tell us who is maintaining their airplanes and how they hire their pilots.

    Aeromexico plane crashes

    The following events are those involving at least one passenger death where the aircraft flight had a direct or indirect role. Excluded would be events where the only passengers killed were stowaways, hijackers, or saboteurs. Only events since 1970 are included.

    20 June 1973; Aeromexico DC9-15; Puerto Vallarta, Mexico: The aircraft hit high ground during approach. All four crew members and 23 passengers were killed.

    27 July 1981; Aeromexico DC9-32; Chihuahua, Mexico: The aircraft crash landed during a violent thunderstorm, broke in two and burned. Two of the six crew members and 48 of the 60 passengers were killed

    9 November 1981; Aeromexico DC9-32, Near Zihuatanejo, Mexico: The aircraft hit a mountain during an emergency descent after a pressurization failure. All six crew members and 12 passengers were killed.

    31 August 1986; Aeromexico DC9-32; Cerritos, CA: The DC9 collided with a single engine Piper Archer which had made an unauthorized penetration of controlled airspace. All 6 crew members and 58 passengers were killed. The three occupants of the Piper and 18 people on the ground were also killed.

    6 October 2000; Aeromexico DC9; Reynosa, Mexico: The aircraft was landing in Reyosa, Mexico after a flight from Mexico City, overshot the runway, and crashed into some nearby homes. None of the 83 passengers and six crew members were killed, but four people on the ground were killed. There was rain in the area at the time of the accident, and there were no lights at the airport. Because no passengers were killed, this event does not count as a fatal event as defined in this site.

    31 July 2018; Aeromexico Connect Embraer ERJ-190AR; XA-GAL; flight AM2431; Durango, Mexico: The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff on a domestic flight from Durango to Mexico City, Mexico. There were no fatalities among the 99 passengers and four crew members.

    http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/aeromex.htm

    • Replies: @Lot
  11. J.Ross says: • Website

    Mexico had been in a state of soft war with us (the argunent against this is that Mexico was in a state of war anyway but it wasn’t anything its government could control) and any idiots voluntarily going there and handing over money deserved whatever they got (like waking up one morning to learn the bizarre truths of Mexico’s medieval property contract laws). The new government seems to be truly new and we’ll see how that plays out.
    ——-
    The President just acted like a President. Why is the legislative branch attempting diplomacy with foreign powers at all, and during a government shutdown?
    Pelosi was headed on a CODEL junket with suitcases of booze, was stopped en route to the airport with her luggage delivered to the Capitol; Trump in his statement deliberately used the same phrasing as Pelosi had in delaying the SOTU.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-trump-cancels-pelosi-trip-sotu-20190117-story.html

    • Replies: @JMcG
  12. songbird says:

    I wonder what the average European admixture is in purest groups of Amerinds. I have heard of people in odd places with red hair. Makes me wonder about their model of Amerinds.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  13. Western says:
    @Lagertha

    I don’t know why so many Americans vacation in Mexico.

  14. Lot says:
    @Lagertha

    1. It is 100% a joke. Random white Texans are generally 0.0000% Mexican by ancestry. A few ones from old rural families might be 1 or 2%. The first generation of whites in the SW sometimes married into the old Mexican landowning families. These particular Mexicans, however, were themselves generally 80-100% European.

    2. They are likely non-actors given a fake DNA test, and the ones they wanted to use they paid $100 to use the clip afterward.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  15. @South Texas Guy

    Slightly O/T, but regarding going off the beaten path, a buddy of mine and I were in Ensenada 20 years ago, and went to a strip club that was not frequented by the gringos. The locals like their women with a little more meat on their bones than you’d see in a typical American strip club (although, I have to admit it’s been a long time since I’ve been to one, happily remarried and all that). Anyway, we’re sitting at the bar right up front, and one of the women comes out to dance. Like I said, a little heavier than you’d see this side of the border, and she was older too, probably mid-30s. My buddy says to me “if I wanted to see an ass that looked like that, I could have stayed home.” I thought that was the funniest thing I’d heard all night, and slapped the bar and put my head down laughing. The manager of the club couldn’t understand what I found so funny about a woman taking her clothes off. We did get out unscathed however.

    • Replies: @mmack
  16. Lot says:

    “one of his suggestions was to install more traffic lights to make crossing the street in Mexico less terrifying”

    It wouldn’t matter, because drivers don’t obey traffic lights. Red lights are treated as stop signs. This is standard outside the First World.

    This isn’t just bad for crossing the street. I never got used to taxi drivers blowing through red lights.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  17. Lot says:
    @Anon

    No fatal crashes since 1986 then? Better than I’d expect. In any event, most flights from the USA to Mexico are American airlines.

  18. Mexicans have approximately 50% evil European conquistador DNA and 50% virtuous Amerindian DNA.

    So whatever debt is owed to their indigenous half is exactly balanced by the reparations due from their conquistador half. Thus, mestizos cancel themselves out and should be ignored completely.

    As far as attracting tourists, I vote for less amoebic dysentery.

    • Replies: @Hail
  19. I bet humongous pussies like Ian Bremmer wouldn’t drive at night on a highway in Jalisco.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  20. Tusk says:
    @songbird

    Canelo Alvarez springs to mind

  21. Rg says:

    Soooo,
    Sorry off the bat for being a Canadian but we’ve been going to the same little town in Mexico for years.(name withheld for reasons below)
    Observations:
    Most of the over winter tourists are Canadians – Western Canada and Quebec ,all 60plus
    Smattering of Americans – Mid West and North West types- 60 plus and a minority

    The Mexican townsfolk have few PHD candidates among them but on the other hand none of the boomer Canadians or Yanks are elite academics either.

    Everybody seems to get along just fine and the local population is pretty keen on the extra million or so dollars spent every winter. Lots of people do volunteer work and keep themselves busy but mostly they eat, drink and enjoy the weather. I’ve never heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day.

    Thank god all you assholes don’t want to come.

  22. @Buffalo Joe

    We tried that, but ‘someone’ showed up with a 51-ft ladder.

  23. Isn’t that promotion a little . . . racist. I didn’t notice any black people or Chinese getting discounts.

    And what about people who are 100% Mexican? Do they fly free?

    Aeromexico should expect to get a call from the EEOC real soon.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  24. Lagertha says:
    @Western

    because it is inexpensive…and the coasts are beautiful. Human beings need to be by the coasts, by water – hard wired – we came from water….oooh, weird, but yah know what I mean.

  25. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    I am half old-stock white American and half later immigrant white American, and my estimate is that I am 3-5% Amerindian. This is supported by photos and oral and written narratives. My sense is that those with white ancestors in 1776 have Amerindian ancenstry above the rates being reported. I suspect that this is somewhat downplayed now because there was, as they say now, “noncensual contact” initiated by both sides.

    Also, I am not the least bit convinced by what I have read about the ways in which modern “DNA” outfits purportedly derive claims of Amerindian ancestry.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Lot
    , @Inquiring Mind
  26. Lagertha says:
    @Lot

    why? why bother? What is the goal?

    • Replies: @Hail
  27. Lagertha says:
    @Bragadocious

    They never leave NYC (except Hamptons) or anywhere, without private jet or car. I am waiting for thugs to catch this wave.

  28. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    Too many AK47s? Well, Steve, sounds like your unease in Mexico was a result of the drug war …which itself is a result of prohibition.

    Cartel violence is caused by huge profits. The government needs to increase their violence in order to maintain control.

    Probably the only way this cycle ends is Islamization. But we see that the Afghan jihadis have learned to love the poppies.

    Is there a chance Americans will stop buying the drugs from the drug traffickers? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ThreeCranes
  29. Lagertha says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Aeromexico is facing bankruptcy..they must appeal to the Middle Class of the USA or die. And, oh my, Trump supporters make up most of the people ( who haven’t died of Sackler drugs yet), who are leery of goin’ to Mexico. Take it from me, and I have traveled world-wide since the 60′: Don’t go somewhere where you sense people hate you! Don’t waste time in countries that hate Americans – don’t be an idiot.

    • Agree: Kaganovitch
    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  30. Hail says: • Website

    I agree with Lagertha that these are likely actors, which would mean this is not a “troll” but a mini mockumentary. Note how they are so ready with their ‘lines,’ and seem to be playing it for comedy. Exaggerated reactions. In other words, more The Office than the polite-but-disoriented vox populis Jay Leno has milked for years.

    The mini mockumentary is divided into two acts. Both ring equally hollow:

    Act I sets up the trip to Middle America. We see yokels (all Whites, seemingly all White-Protestants) falling out of the woodwork to irrationally denounce Mexico out of nowhere — not the issue of Mexicans in America, not illegal immigration, but Mexico as a nation. The game is already given away in Act I because this is uncharacteristic of how Middle-America Whites actually speak.

    Today’s MAGA-partisan subset of Middle America would also simply not speak like this. (The MAGA subset of Middle-America Whites is, itself, a watered-down version of Sam Francis’ 1990s-era prediction of the rise of the Middle American Radical; I doubt Francis’ Middle American Radicals would ever even speak like this.)

    The people behind this mini mockumentary are playing directly to the anti-White, anti-MiddleAmerica, anti-lowWASP ‘rube’ stereotype beloved by Hollywood. Very likely that Hollywood types motivated by ethnic animus are behind this. In other words, this is ethnic slander just like Borat was. Most people watching won’t get it yet, though. Many more, but still not all, will catch on in Act II:

    In Act II we see the same yokels (except one) accept and even enthusiastically embrace the fake/troll/ridiculous assertion by the mockumentarian that they have “18% Mexican DNA” and etc.

    The mockumentarian never breaks the fourth wall and admits this “Mexican DNA” thing is a hoax/joke/troll. Those of us watching, who still don’t get it by the end, are the real dupes. Sadly, there will be quite a few such people.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  31. Anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @Western

    If you had some street smarts and a little conversational Spanish it was a fun place to visit in the fifties, sixties, seventies. Anymore not so much.

  32. The stark duality of Mexican life is jarring.
    In Mexico City, the upper class and slim middle class lead lives in quasi-castle arrangements ranging from opulence to high comfort. But the city is surrounded by wretched slums, grit, & squalor filled mostly with Mestizos. You quickly realize that either the Blank Slate is a complete lie &/or the Mexican Elite have not a whiff of noblesse oblige towards the country’s massive lower class.
    The duality is similar in the coastal tourist towns, but, as you note, marked by armed security. It can feel like vacationing inside a massive gilded cage. If you dare to venture outside the cage, anything can happen including the ultraviolent. Lastly, you can’t trust the water even if they claim it is safe to drink. Same goes for uncooked fruits & vegetables.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @ThreeCranes
  33. istevefan says:

    Air Canada could do a similar commercial that would be more factual. It is not that they could identify a “Canadian-American”, but rather they could advertise the fact that a great many Canadians and a great many Americans share common DNA ancestry. We were both founded by the British and have large numbers of people who can trace their ancestry to the British Isles and Ireland.

    Further, Canadians and Americans have had this genetic similarity for over two centuries which also includes other European ethnicities too.

    It is not surprising that the overwhelming majority of Americans view Canada as akin to America while the best they can say about Mexico is that it is “exotic”, which is a euphemism for a shithole. Additionally, even liberal virtual signalers who always threaten to leave the USA, such as when Trump won the election, always tell us they are heading to Canada. They never intend to go to Mexico.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Stan d Mute
  34. Lagertha says:

    yah, correct. People who you ridicule and mock, will not like you…duh. And, there are better places for American families and people to use their hard-earned money to have a vacation/holiday time – I have about 1000 suggestions.

  35. Lagertha says:
    @istevefan

    their big thing , right now, is East Asians – don’t waste time, seriously 🙂 Since Obama, Mexicans have mattered less.

  36. @Lot

    About stop lights, I don’t know. Last time I was in Monterrey and Saltillo, the native with me told me I’d be all right as long as I crossed when the light indicated I should. If I didn’t, he said all bets would be off.

    • Replies: @Lot
  37. Anonymous[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    And just where are they getting these AK-47s? They sure as hell are not from the United States, directly or indirectly.

    • Replies: @rbbe brod
    , @rbbe brod
  38. I wonder what percentage Israeli the people who created the ad are.

    • LOL: JMcG
  39. During a trip to Cancun in the early 1980s, I had the distinction of being robbed in a bank. I had gone in to cash some American Express traveler’s checks (as I mentioned, it was the old days). I was the one customer at the bank. I cashed a few and then started to leave. As I pushed open the front door, I realized I had left the booklet with all my remaining checks on the counter. As soon as I turned around, a man at a desk beside the entry started speaking to me in Spanish. He seemed to be wanting to me to leave, but I didn’t understand him, so I went to the counter where I’d took 20 seconds before. My traveler’s checks were gone. The teller I’d dealt acted like he couldn’t understand what I was talking about and other bank employees were chiming in, all in Spanish. I went back to the hotel and called American Express. Somewhat to my surprise, they had no trouble accepting my story. “This isn’t he first time we’ve heard about something like this in Mexico,” the representative told me.

    We decided to visit the nearby Isla Mujeres. We took a ferry there and found out when the last ferry was leaving. When we arrived for the last ferry, it didn’t show up. What did show up was a Mexican guy in a large open boat with an outboard motor, a lot of bench seats, and no life jackets. He packed in all the tourists stranded on the island due to the no-show ferry, charging more than twice what the ferry would have cost. The overloaded boat motored to the mainland with the gunwale clearing the water by about four inches.

    Also, the bedside lamp in our resort hotel room gave you an electric shock if you touched it. And my wife got horrible food poisoning from some fruit salad.

    One day we walked toward the edge of the resort zone and saw soldiers patrolling with M16s. Probably a good idea. Story from August 2018:

    A total of eight bodies were found on the streets of the Mexican resort city of Cancun, with two of the bodies dumped at two spots and four others found shot to death individually, authorities said.
    The bodies of a man and a woman were found in an abandoned taxi Tuesday, and the dismembered bodies of two men were found in a several plastic bags at another spot.
    Also Tuesday, one man was found bound and shot to death. The prosecutors’ office for the state of Quintana Roo said another man was killed while lying in a hammock, yet another was found shot and covered in a plastic bag.
    Details of the eighth body were not immediately available.
    None of the killings occurred in the city’s beach-side hotel zone.

  40. AKAHorace says:
    @Lagertha

    Don’t go somewhere where you sense people hate you! Don’t waste time in countries that hate Americans – don’t be an idiot.

    So where would you suggest going instead ?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  41. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I am half old-stock white American and half later immigrant white American, and my estimate is that I am 3-5% Amerindian

    This may be trolling but I’ll address it seriously anyway:

    Your estimate of 3-5% is very likely too high. If your 19th-century European immigrant stock half is 0% Amerindian (almost certainly it is), this would mean your colonial-stock half is 6-10% Amerindian, and this is, statistically speaking, highly unlikely.

    A more typical Amerindian component for colonial stock is the 0-1.0% range, so an order of magnitude less than what you think. (Typical Amerindian ancestral inflation.)

    It is theoretically possible that you are 95-97% European and 3-5% Amerindian, but if so puts you way, way over on the right hand tail of the bell curve (i.e., plus several standard deviations) for amount of Amerindian admixture in U.S. Whites. And of these far-right-tail people, most if not all get their Amerindian from a very recent union, or indirectly via a Mexican great-grandparent or the like, and not from colonial American stock.

    • Replies: @Hail
  42. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    “I am half old-stock white American and half later immigrant white American, and my estimate is that I am 3-5% Amerindian”

    Very unlikely. Happens a little bit in Oklahoma.

    “Also, I am not the least bit convinced by what I have read about the ways in which modern “DNA” outfits purportedly derive claims of Amerindian ancestry.”

    They have a financial incentive to overreport Indian ancestry since a large subset of white Americans love the idea of being 1/16 Indian, as opposed to the more boring reality of <0.5% (most of us) or just plain 0.000% (possibly the majority of us, but at least a large minority.)

    But they don't do this, because it is dishonest, they risk a whistleblower, they risk other exposure, etc.

    WNs frequently claim, without evidence, that 23andme overreports Ashkenazi ancestry. But Ashkenazi ancestry is one of the easiest to detect because they are the most sampled and studied large group genetically in the world.

    Moreover, if 23andme were really that keen to tell more people they have very slight Jewish ancestry, they'd add Sephardi to their tests. Probably a lot of old stock Americans are 0.1% Sephardi. And nearly all Hispanics have Sephardi ancestry, possibly as high as 6% for whiter Mexicans.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @anonymous
  43. I’ve been to Mexico three times, including once driving the length of it and back in the late eighties.

    I’ve had some good experiences, a couple of depressing ones, and at least one very bizarre one; nothing frightening though, and no illness. It’s okay; not my favorite country but sometimes I think about going again. It’d be great if they managed to rein in the cartels.

  44. Lot says:
    @South Texas Guy

    Monterrey is borderline first world, so I can believe they obey traffic lights.

    In general, you should not cross a crosswalk in Mexico when the signal says you can if there is a car coming, even if is a red light for him from a long distance. If there are 20 people crossing, sure, but not alone or in a small group. Just wait for a break in traffic, regardless of the light.

  45. KunioKun says:

    The brutal snuff films produced there make Mexico a very scary place. I do not want to have to live under the protection of a local mafia, but I fear that our leaders are doing everything necessary to make that kind of arrangement the norm again all over the world.

    • Replies: @anon
  46. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Elvis is said to be 6.25% Amerindian by paper-genealogy, this from a purported “full-blooded” North American Indian female ancestor (b.1800) five generations back in Elvis (b. 1935)’s family tree. Due to cousin marriage, this woman occupies 2 of the 32 Elvis ancestral slots at +5 generations back, hence 6.25%.

    I would raise of the question of what this 6.25% paper-genealogical result equates to in terms of a genetic result. Yes, this ancestor is called “pureblooded” but we know how often Amerindian-inflation occurs in the USA. Is it plausible that Elvis’ greatx3-grandmother born in 1800 was a pure, 100%-Amerindian in genetic terms? How many were being born in North America by 1800, a time by which the North American Red Man had been on the decline for two hundred years, with some degree of assimilation and inevitable gene flow from Europeans?

    (As for today, the collective genetic-ancestral stock of the Cherokee Nation is likely a good deal more European than Amerindian; a similar dynamic already existed, in lesser form, by 1800. To find guaranteed pure-Amerindians in North America among those tribes in contact with American civilization, 1800 is probably already too late.)

    Say the Elvis ancestress were 30% Amerindian / 70% European. Her looks would have still have likely been exotic, she would have been able to pass off as an ‘Indian,’ and the story would have been able to percolate down as such, to be inflated by the 20th century to be ‘pureblooded.’ She may have been a ‘pure’ Indian in a cultural sense but it is possible substantially-European tribe members were already being born in parts of North America by 1800.

    If she was 30% Amerindian, it would put Elvis at a more typical 1.9% Amerindian, assuming no other Amerindian from other lines. Even this much-reduced scenario puts Elvis past +2 SD for Amerindian admixture among Mississippi Whites (according to the huge 23andMe study Steve linked to in the OP).

  47. Lot says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    That’s overstating things. The average Mexican has indoor plumbing, electricity and all the normal kitchen appliances, a smart phone, adequate living space, free basic health care, and free public education. In rural areas most families have a car or truck, albeit a ratty old one. That’s why they aren’t coming anymore in large numbers, and when they do it is often losers/criminals or indians from the poor Southern areas.

  48. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    WNs frequently claim, without evidence, that 23andme overreports Ashkenazi ancestry

    I have never seen this claimed.

    What I have seen, for years, is a now-familiar story of prominent people celebrated by the media as they reveal hitherto-unknown or hidden Jewish ancestry. A recent case is author George R. R. Martin (“‘Game of Thrones’ creator George R.R. Martin discovers he’s nearly a quarter Jewish,” Jan. 4, 2019).

    [Martin understood his two maternal grandparents to be Louis, of Italian heritage but whom Martin never knew, and Grace, whom he did know and was close with.]

    The show’s researchers speculated that Louis left Grace after discovering she had an affair with a Jewish man.

    All a stunned Martin can say on the show is: “You’ve uprooted my worldview.”

    Note also that one of America’s most famous 25%-Jews is anti-White political fanatic Tim Wise (75% European-Christian, 25% Ashkenazi / but raised in a synagogue).

    Will “percent Ashkenazi” become a new criteria for Jewishness?

    That is, a sliding scale and not a ‘Yes/No’? “50% Ashkenazi” as a lot, 25% as enough; Anything competitive in the 5%+ range gets you kudos from the team and media praise (cf. Ocasio-Cortez revealing her Jewish ancestry to an adoring media, Dec. 2018).

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Lot
    , @AnonAnon
  49. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Western

    I don’t know why so many Americans vacation in Mexico.

    My New Zealand friends did a world tour – only country they got sick in was Mexico.
    Its a shithole. Avoid.

    • Replies: @Gringo
  50. Hail says: • Website
    @Lagertha

    What were the political goals of Borat?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  51. Hail says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    In 2016, somebody collected a large sample of Mexicans’ full 23andMe results to analyze. The aggregate was:

    – European 59.6%
    – Amerindian/Asian 31.8%
    – Subsaharan 2.8%
    – Middle Eastern 2.1%
    – Unassigned 3.7%

    (Only 11.2% of the y-dna lines in the sample are Amerindian.)

    Yes, there is a possible SES skew effect favoring more-European Mexicans, but I would note how diffuse Amerindian admixture is:

    Almost all Mexicans have significant amounts of Amerindian; only ~4% of the Mexicans in this sample get <5% Amerindian, with only 0.6% of individuals at 100% European. This means the odds are Jorge Ramos really does have some Amerindian admixture (comment-13 and comment-54 in that thread).

    If you’re looking for it, I guess it’s plausible in Jorge Ramos’ face. He is not a member of the 0.6%. Still too European to be a full-fledged member of the Raza Cosmica, anyway.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  52. …one of his suggestions was to install more traffic lights to make crossing the street in Mexico less terrifying.

    How would roundabouts do in Mexico? I don’t mean the giant Arc de Triomphe kind found in major cities, but your everyday ones.

    But his biggest suggestion was that Mexicans retire the use of the ethnic slur gringo.

    Gringo is far preferable to Anglo. Just like goy is better than the insulting gentile.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Lot
    , @syonredux
  53. Dtbb says:

    What can Mexico…?
    Surrender.
    Took a 3 day trip thru Mexico in 1978 with my parents. Stayed the night in Chihuahua and Monterey. Walking around those towns I felt like a freak of nature being 71.0 inches tall at 14 and having strawberry blond hair. The natives all looked identical. No way we shared any DNA. Still the best sight I ever saw was the blonde blue eyed girl who took my order at the Wendy’s in Brownsville.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  54. haole says:
    @Lot

    This is what I see too. Mexicans are only slightly poorer than the commn Moke here in Hawaii who cannot afford to buy a house. Our public schools are in the bottom 40 of the 50 states, cant be to far from Mexicos. The roads have similar numbers of potholes. Hawaii is a one party state, Dem rule for 65 years, very similar to the PRI in Mexico, very corrupt. I tell the locals that Hawaii and Mexico are about the same and they are shocked. Asians have this weird feeling of superiority towards Mexicans, I dont understand.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    , @stillCARealist
  55. @Rg

    I’m glad you feel so much better Canuck, after that high-wattage virtue signal flash.

  56. @Hail

    Correct. This is the same ol same ol. Might as well have been made by the agency who did the last Gillette ad: “Look at those dumb working class White hicks”

  57. anonymous[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    ‘they’d add Sephardi’

    Since Sephardic Jews never went through the population bottleneck Ashkenazi Jews did (Rhineland massacres, founder effect) it is not possible to trace thier ancestry genetically. You can make an educated guess based on a mix of iberian and middle eastern dna along with certain genetic diseases (again different from the Ashkanazi ones) but you cannot detect trace amounts at a long remove.

    • Replies: @Lot
  58. anonymous[789] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    ‘What were the political goals of borat?’

    To throw the Jews down the well of course.

    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
  59. Mr. Anon says:

    What Can Mexico Do to be More Popular with American Tourists?

    Stop beheading people? Or at least stop beheading so many people?

  60. @Lot

    Perhaps, what I saw surrounding Mexico City was probably the bottom 1/5th of society earnings wise. There were less poverty afflicted areas too – like old fragile looking tower blocks of small apartments. The dubious nature of the construction (given the earthquake hazard) was ominous. Mexico City was also built on a swamp such that most of the sewage quickly becomes aerosolized grit.

    Haven’t been to MX in ages; maybe it is more prosperous now, and that would explain why a higher % illegal immigrants are now from Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala & South Asia

  61. I guess this guy just jots down whatever crap comes to mind, they publish it, and he gets paid.

    That’s the way to do it.

  62. “Ed McCurdy – Green Grow the Lilacs (Civil War Song)”
    also sung during the mexican-american war of the 1850s. Elision of first two words, followed by conversion to Spanish, supposedly gave us “gringo”.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @syonredux
  63. Giuseppe says:
    @Rg

    You all have turned that place into a Canadian colony overrun with snowbirds generating pollution and bad feelings, so you’re just a little late to try to keep this a secret. In your hoards you have destroyed a Mexican town by driving up the cost of real estate, forcing the locals out, bringing long lines, gridlock and crappy restaurants catering to northern tastes. But wait, you can’t know the resentment you’ve generated because you are oblivious to the effects of your clumsy actions and none of you take the trouble to learn Spanish. So rest assured your little secret is safe, I wouldn’t dream of joining your Saskatoon on the Ribera, the charm being long gone.

  64. duncsbaby says:
    @Rg

    I don’t think you can apologize enough for being Canadian.

  65. Art Deco says:

    What Mexico might do is what just about any Latin American country north of the Southern Cone might do: implement incremental improvements in their land registry, their court system, their police forces, their penal system, their tax collection system, and their civil service recruitment and discipline. One rap on Puerto Rico is that their government payments system sucks in comparison with any state government’s on the mainland. Would wager that fiscal disorder is a problem at points further south as well. What ails Latin America is a deficit of order and security, and Mexico is an ordinary Latin American country in this respect.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  66. @Hail

    It’d be neat to dig deeper into those findings. Like, do the upper class Mexicans opt of it because they already know (article of faith) they are mostly Spanish/German/Italian/Dutch/Irish, whatever? It would seem most of the Mexicans doing this would be middle class, and therefore wishing to cement their European bona fides, but I’m just guessing.

    Most every middle/upper class Mexican I’ve ever had an extended conversation with dropped into the conversation that they were really mostly Spanish, or German or Irish. Though some left it open that they might have a smidgen of indigenous blood in them.

    • Replies: @Hail
  67. Art Deco says:

    Sailer posts about Mexico and the usual suspects resume babbling about the Jews.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  68. @Dtbb

    “Still the best sight I ever saw was the blonde blue eyed girl who took my order at the Wendy’s in Brownsville.”

    Take it from someone who knows, she was probably the last blonde haired, blue eyed girl to work in any fast food joint in Brownsville.

  69. “Similarly, former Mexican foreign minister Jorge Castaneda wrote a book touching on how Mexico could attract more paying American tourists and, especially, retirees: one of his suggestions was to install more traffic lights to make crossing the street in Mexico less terrifying. But his biggest suggestion was that Mexicans retire the use of the ethnic slur gringo.”

    Last comment on this post.

    To address the latter, most Americans find ‘gringo’ to be a charming affectation. When I was growing up bolillo (a sub sanwich type piece of white bread) was regarded as being the offensive term.

    But you know what? Outside of a few areas (Cabo is a big one, a couple of places by Mex. City, a few on the Gulf and in the moutains), I don’t think the powers that be in Mexico really want American retirees down there full time. Americans notice too much and make too much noise. An American with a meager $25 a year retirement pension is living close to the bottom, but in Mexico, a seventy year old dude can buy a trailer close to the beach and live the dream, and all of that $25k is going into the local economy (a retirement residency only requires you prove to the Mex gov’t that you draw $500 per month). Most retirees could bring much more than that, and that’s a lot of money to leave on the table, but there’s really not a lot of interest in grabbing it.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  70. I’m not a big gun-grabber, but the last time I vacationed in Mexico there were too many guys with fifth-grade educations standing around holding AK-47s for my peace of mind.

    So you’re a gun grabber, but just not a big one Steve?

    The last time I led a junket of my professional peers to Mexico, in Acapulco in the late 90’s, a number of them were freaked out by the guys with AKs standing outside many of the nightclubs and outside places like the Acapulco Princess. Some of the more adventurous guys easily acclimated and came to appreciate the safety these guys provided us as I showed them why Montreal has nothing on Mexico insofar as “adult” entertainment. Those are mammaries, er memories, that will stay with you forever..

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Reg Cæsar
  71. @South Texas Guy

    back in the 80’s the city of Miami had to put up ‘don’t exit here’ signs for the benefit of international tourists

    Much like the North American International Auto Show has done for decades in Detriot. Hotels as far from Cobo Hall as Ann Arbor are booked solid by foreigners hoping to survive a car show.

    Incidentally, for 2020, the NAIAS is moving from January to June. Apparently nobody thought about the fact that January in Detriot is infinitely safer than June in Detriot.

    https://www.history.com/topics/1960s/1967-detroit-riots

  72. Brutusale says:
    @Rg

    Do the Mexican service workers ask you if you’re Canadian before serving you as they do in Florida, as you Snow Mexicans don’t tip worth a damn?

    • Replies: @restless94110
  73. @Buffalo Joe

    They can build enclaves for gringos only, surrounded by 50′ high walls.

    These are everywhere in Mexico today, but usually just 10’-15’ high and topped with broken glass.

  74. mmack says:
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Sgt. Joe,

    Your story reminds me of when a bunch of married men wanted single guy me to go with them to The Crazy Horse bar/strip club in Romeoville, IL. Romeoville is a blue collar, ¡Vibrant! far southwest suburb of Chicago. I got them to leave me alone by asking them “Guys, what caliber of woman do you think is going to take her clothes off in ROMEOVILLE, IL?”

    The Admiral Club in downtown Chicago it was not. It closed in the early 2000’s.

  75. @Rg

    Sorry off the bat for being a Canadian

    As well you should be. Were I so afflicted I’d never admit it in public.

    Just stay on the South side of our river and we will get along just fine you Canuckistani freak.

    – signed All of Detriot

    • LOL: Bragadocious
  76. @Rg

    Let me guess…Melaque, Jalisco? A bunch of stoner retirees from Salt Spring Island winter in the genetic homeland of their weed.

  77. @istevefan

    liberal virtual signalers who always threaten to leave the USA, such as when Trump won the election, always tell us they are heading to Canada. They never intend to go to Mexico.

    Maybe because Mexico is innately race-realist while Canuckistan is in full negro worship mode like the US?

    • Agree: Autochthon
  78. theMann says:
    @Western

    Number one reason is because the age of consent is 12. Sorry to have to point out that obvious fact.

    Mexico is an ok place away from the border: excellent food, good beer, fishing, bird watching, hiking Oltec/Aztec/Mayan ruins, very nice weather. Just stay out of the Drug War zones, be polite ( Mexicans are easily offended), speak Spanish, and enjoy a good time much cheaper ( and nearer) than most places.

  79. theMann says:
    @Western

    Number one reason is because the age of consent is 12. Sorry to have to point out that obvious fact.

    Mexico is an ok place away from the border: excellent food, good beer, fishing, bird watching, hiking Oltec/Aztec/Mayan ruins, very nice weather. Just stay out of the Drug War zones, be polite ( Mexicans are easily offended), speak Spanish, and enjoy a good time much cheaper ( and nearer) than most places.

  80. JMcG says:

    My compadres and I were turned away from a bar in Ensenada back in the early nineties with a cheerful, “Sorry, no gringoes tonight fellas.” Wish I’d known I should have been ticked off. Of course, then I’d have to deal with the mopes with the HK MP5s. I saw plenty of HKs in Mexico, no AK’s though.

  81. JMcG says:
    @South Texas Guy

    I think that was a result of Florida liberalizing their concealed carry laws. The bad guys didn’t relish the idea of carjacking a newly armed citizen, so they started carjacking the rentals coming out of Miami airport. I believe the rental companies stopped stickering their cars too. It’s been a while, but I think a couple of Brits and a German were killed in carjackings then.
    Florida led the wave of states that liberalized handgun carry in response to the crack/cocaine wars.

  82. I kind of like “Gringo”. Better than “Wetback”.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  83. JMcG says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    C’mon, I’m sure we’ve all heard the old joke, “. De phone go green, green, and I pink it up and say ‘Yellow?’”
    What, no?

  84. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Western

    Winter weather. Mexico’s cheaper than Florida. Many Californians teach the kids to surf in the inland Sea of Cortez as it’s much less rough than the Pacific. The difference between the dollar and peso plus northern US weather is the draw. When Seattle has those winters when the sun isn’t visible for weeks people spend weekends in Mexico.

  85. @Harry Baldwin

    I got caught in a Great Wall scam in Beijing. Someone convinced me to take a bus that dropped me off at a remote bus stop on a highway. By chance, there were several taxi drivers there who offered to take me to the Great Wall for an extortionary price.

    A few other tourists were there, but none of the taxis would let us share a fare.

    I simply refused to go and said I would rather go back to my hotel than see the Great Wall and pay them. There was about 40 minutes of stand-off in the late November cold of northern China as the taxi drivers stood at a distance, burning through their cigarettes and watching me stand stoically by the bus stop sign.

    Finally, one of them broke and offered to take me to the Great Wall at the price I dictated. He waited for me like a servant while I took in the ancient site. In the end, I had the double pleasure of seeing the Wall and making the scumbag wait for me at my price.

  86. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    My sister came out 6 percent Asheknazi Jew so we all are. It’s not all surprising because many Jews, especially young men split off from Judaism over the centuries.

    Or it could have been some Khazars before they converted to Judaism.

    Her 23andme did get rid of the American Indian legend.

    • Replies: @Lot
  87. Steve’s writing style gives me Whip Lash sometimes. Genetically Mexican… to Amerindian admixture in White Americans… to too many Mexicans toting AK’s…. to more stop lights… EACH PARAGRAPH HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PREVIOUS! And no segues… just random thoughts tied only by sharing the subject: Mexican

  88. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If they had roundabouts in Mexico they’d have to station an ambulance at each one

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  89. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:

    No it’s typical screenwriter sleight of hand. There is no way to determine such a thing on a test. In fact, Amerindian is indistinguishable from North Asian on genetic tests. Elizabeth Warren could have had 1/1024 Hun DNA, or Mexican, or it could have been an error. People need to stop reifying so many aspects of SCIENCE!!11!!! that are barely better than random guesses.

    “Dispersed across three continents, the peoples of Northern Asia and the Americas have deeply-rooted genetic similarities, reflecting a history of widespread and rapid migrations across the vast central Asian plains, Siberia, and eventually into the Americas across the Bering land bridge. Subtle linguistic affinities reveal ancient links between some Native American languages and languages still spoken in Siberia. Broadly Northern Asian & Native American DNA is a relic of this ancient population split, and is difficult to assign to a specific region.”

    https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212169298#East_Asian_Native_American

  90. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    During a trip to Cancun in the early 1980s, I had the distinction of being robbed in a bank. I had gone in to cash some American Express traveler’s checks (as I mentioned, it was the old days). I was the one customer at the bank. I cashed a few and then started to leave. As I pushed open the front door, I realized I had left the booklet with all my remaining checks on the counter.

    Jaja that is not a robbery that is “dar papaya.” It’s considered free if you leave something hanging out like that and easy to steal. That’s just how it is. The definition of robbery involves the use of force or threat of force. So far I have not had that happen to me. It takes a lot more to get in someone’s face like that, and most people would prefer not to go that extent.

  91. “God’s Middle Finger” by Richard Grant is a good read, but won’t help their tourism.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  92. Lot says:
    @Hail

    “I have never seen this claimed.”

    Surprising. Take my word for it, or google. I have seen this so often it seems to be WN conventional wisdom on /pol/.


    “Will “percent Ashkenazi” become a new criteria for Jewishness”

    It was built into the Nuremburg laws and Israeli immigration rules. Why not?


    “Note also that one of America’s most famous 25%-Jews is anti-White political fanatic Tim Wise (75% European-Christian, 25% Ashkenazi / but raised in a synagogue).”

    I bet there are hundreds of quadrajews more famous than Tim Wise.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  93. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “How would roundabouts do in Mexico? ”

    They exist and are not too safe for pedestrians either.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  94. Stop Killing Americans would help.

  95. David says:

    Take my word for it, or google.

    Meaning Lot couldn’t find a single instance.

  96. Alfa158 says:
    @jackson

    I think those are mostly Mayan rather than Aztec these days.

  97. SafeNow says:

    My suggestion is to hand-out free boxes of Pepto Bismol tablets to arriving passengers before they disembark. (Studies show that Pepto reduces the incidence of travelers diarrhea by 50%). Another idea is to have beachside hotels hand-out sound-muffling earplugs, or even better, tarmac/gun range headphones. I am thinking about jetski roar; and also, discouraging the approach of vendors, which can sometimes be one per minute. I am familiar with sound-muffling technology because, here in Southern California, when I try to relax outdoors, there is usually the sound of a leafblower in the air.

  98. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @jackson

    you mean you dont think americans will get hat this fucking mexican airline took a page from gillettes book and made a commercial shaming the people they pretend they want to sell to?
    the message is plain elite americans come to mexico to get away with prole americans so we can both share a laugh about the ugly americans

  99. rbbe brod says:
    @Anonymous

    the chinese unload and sell freighter loads of AK’s with no serial numbers offshore. All the beloved 45 autos with mother of pearl grips are yankee, however.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. rbbe brod says:
    @Anonymous

    China. AR15s and pearl handled chrome plated 45s from yankqui’s

  101. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    How to make Americans like Mexicans more? Easy. Stop invading our country!

  102. @Rg

    Been living in Insenada for the past 5 years, and we all know that seaside village to the south of here where all the Canadians are (name withheld). Maybe I’ll get down there one day.

    And counter to that yo-yo who replied that all the locals hate you guys, I’ve always heard the exact opposite.

    It’s good to have a retreat. And it’s still pretty good in this part of the world, in this part of Mexico.

  103. AnonAnon says:

    I’ll visit again when America takes it over and properly develops it.

    I don’t know why so many Americans vacation in Mexico.

    It’s cheap and warm. Hence the reason Canadians like to visit there and Cuba so much.

    I’ve been to Mexico twice, once in the mid-80s as part of a college spring break trip to San Diego. I don’t recall too much except the coast line driving down to Tijuana was both stunning and depressing with the obvious poverty. On the way back, one car in our party got pulled over by the Mexican police and shaken down for everything in their wallets for the “fine”. The second time was a weekend cruise to Ensenada in the late 90s – there was a huge abandoned rusty ship in the harbor we docked at leaking oil into the water.

    There’s nothing to wise you up about crime in Mexico like absentmindedly clicking on tiny 4 chan thumbnails and seeing cartel “gore” photos of hanging bodies, beheadings, and, my personal favorite, peeled off faces.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  104. JMcG says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I’ve seen a lot, but I’ve never seen anything like the strippers in Montreal.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  105. AnonAnon says:
    @Hail

    Will “percent Ashkenazi” become a new criteria for Jewishness?

    You get right of return to Israel to become an Israeli citizen if you have a Jewish grandparent.

  106. Big Bill says:
    @Lot

    BS on the “free health care”. Allan Wall, who lived in Mexico with his Mexican wife for many years explains differently:

    http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2007/200207Swamped.htm

    • Replies: @Lot
  107. AnonAnon says:
    @haole

    One of the HGTV House Hunters show is set in Hawaii and the $900K+ houses people tour are outright dumps. They’d be gutted-to-the-studs or tear down flips in America. I was also surprised to see how dumpy Hawaii looks in the new Magnum P.I. reboot, too. Chain link fences, ghetto-tier homes, hoarder trash piles in yards, weeds everywhere – it’s surprisingly low class-looking.

  108. DCBillS says:

    If not Mexico where? Of course its better to remain in the US. For real warmth you need to go further south. Some to consider: Caymans, Panama City, Costa Rica, Grand Turk, Cuba, Martinique. All have a reasonable level of safety, better than E St Louis.

  109. @Lot

    “How would roundabouts do in Mexico? ”

    They exist and are not too safe for pedestrians either.

    You could install an underpass, or “subway” in the British sense. But that would just invite muggings, wouldn’t it?

    • Replies: @Lot
  110. @Stan d Mute

    I’m not a big gun-grabber, but the last time I vacationed in Mexico there were too many guys with fifth-grade educations standing around holding AK-47s for my peace of mind.

    So you’re a gun grabber, but just not a big one Steve?

    Steve in wholly in line with American tradition. The authors and ratifiers of the Second Amendment would have no problem grabbing guns away from the majority of Mexicans.

    From Virginia in 1832:

    No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead; and any free negro or mulatto who shall so offend, shall, on conviction before a justice of the peace, forfeit all such arms and ammunition to the use of the informer; and shall moreover be punished with stripes, at the discretion of the justice, not exceeding thirty-nine lashes.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  111. @Anon

    If they had roundabouts in Mexico they’d have to station an ambulance at each one

    Like our earliest roller coasters. A nurse was stationed at them. Though that was more for marketing purposes.

  112. Lot says:
    @Big Bill

    That link is correct but doesn’t contradict what I said. The government provides free or subsidized healthcare. As with many other countries with socialized medicine, you can get better treatment with private providers.

  113. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Pedestrian-only overpass bridges over major surface streets are common in Mexico City. Good excercise and safer.

  114. Lot says:
    @Anon

    6% could be a mix of distant ancestry if you are mostly German, Polish, or Ukrainian.

    If you’re mostly Anglo/NW Euro or Southern Euro, the 6% is more likely to be a single Ashkenazi great-great grandparent.

  115. @Anonymous

    My wife and I were driving the length of the Baja. Halfway down we turned off the main road to go over to a small surfing town on the coast. The road was a gravel two track that was so deeply rutted and potholed that we were in first gear (in a diesel truck) for the first couple of miles. With ten miles to go, I gave up. At the rate we were going it would take us two hours to get to the coast and I figured that I didn’t absolutely need to go there.

    We turned around and crawled back to the main road. As we approached the intersection a couple of guys in uniform materialized out of the brush on the right side of the road and flagged us down. They were carrying so-called assault rifles.

    Were they military? Police? Banditos pretending to be police? Would they shoot us if I gunned it and tried to outrun them?

    I stopped. They looked really official. Full military regalia. An older guy, maybe 30, and a 18 year old kid. They searched our truck. Drugs? Contraband? Well, we had nothing of interest and my wife speaks fluent Spanish, so we had no problem with them. But the guns were intimidating. Especially because there was no official roadblock as we had encountered before.

    Probably they guarded the road from the house visible at the intersection and when they saw vehicles coming from the coast, went out to intercept them.

    Anyway, no problem, but Steve’s right about the AK47 thing.

    But Mexico is home to some bad hombres and law enforcement has to make a statement. Once I watched a Brinks type truck pick up money from a Gigante store (big grocery store). A guard armed with a pump shotgun stood right outside the entrance and he didn’t hide the shotgun either. It was on display for all to see and it said “Don’t f*ck with me.”

  116. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    Was the WN named Weev? I’ve never seen that claimed anywhere either but they did have an employee who boasted about blacking results for apparently racist cutomers, and there is a wider pattern of claiming that white people mix with blacks as soon as the lights are off, that South African whites are all technically mulattos, etc.. Having a black great-great grandparent is rarer than people think but still entirely possible in SA or USA. Slipping in Ashkenazic Jewish ancestry is massively less believable, especially historically, and comes with a cache that black does not. I would expect that spikers of results would always bet on black.

  117. @CrunchybutRealistCon

    When I visited, which was often, I avoided the tourist parts of town, stayed in old hotels in the Old Town and never faced violence once. My wife and I took buses everywhere. It helps that she speaks fluent Spanish. I went everywhere except the barrios.

    I’ve eaten some terrific meals in Mexico. The food can be great; both coastal seafood and at high class restaurants in the central squares of the old colonial cities such as Puebla. Some of the music in the better restaurants is world class, jazz and traditional.

    However, having said that, I won’t be returning soon. There’s a certain childishness to Mexicans that is irritating to a Northern European. Nothing works quite right nor is anything done quite right. At first this is charming but it wears thin.

    The men really subscribe to a machismo code that makes them look a bit ridiculous in light of their incompetence. It would be funny if it weren’t potentially so deadly. A friend of many years of mine was stomped to death by a jealous Mexican. His sin? Dating the Mexican’s ex wife. First the Mexican killed the ex and then when my friend (who lived down there for most of every year and spoke like a local) tried to pay the law to follow up on the case, he met his untimely end.

    Nor is his the only death that I could speak of. I met a German whose brother was tortured and murdered. He had been a reporter for Der Spiegel covering the strikes in Chiapas a while back. First they pulled his fingernails out.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
  118. Lot says:
    @anonymous

    They can do Sephardi the same way they do every other group. It would be their smallest group (Finnish is right now), but quite possible.

  119. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @KunioKun

    That prospect haunts me, too. From Mayberry to Mogadishu in five generations.

    But on the bright side, that’s going from 99% non-diverse, to 99% diverse.

  120. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @rbbe brod

    Mexico has gun laws and then they have gun laws, just as in the United States.

    In Mexico you will not find .45 ACP pistols in private hands. You WILL find M1911 Colts in .38 Super a lot, usually nickel plated, with pearl or ivory grips more often than not.

    As with most Latin nations, it is illegal, really illegal to own a firearm in a military caliber. ostensibly this helps prevent revolutions but really it is so that the military’s ammo supplies are not promptly fenced on the black market.

    A female friend of mine works at a big box hunting/fishing/outdoors place and sells a fair number of .38 Super M1911s to mestizos. They always present proper ID, and it goes through the system OK. They speak English well enough and she privately suspects they are paper trippers: mestizos can pull this off well because, one, the government looks the other way and two, the Spanish had far fewer surnames than the English, and also, Hispanophone naming conventions make it easy to use your mother’s or your father’s last name to gringo DMV and Social Security types. (And of course at least some of the steezer and SJC personnel there are actively assisting them.) They prefer nickel or polished stainless steel, and they prefer the fancy grips, but those are easily changed out by the user.

    If I have one beef with the basic M1911 design, it’s that the frames and slides are different on the .38/9mm, 10mm, and .45 versions. Now they have variants where the feed ramp is all integral with the barrel, which means all calibers can use the same frame, but unless you use a trick composite extractor the .45 slide won’t reliably extract on smaller diameter brass. However, I’ve never had a big desire to own a 1911 in anything but .45 ACP save for the .22 conversion kit for plinking.

  121. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonAnon

    Hence the reason Canadians like to visit there and Cuba so much.

    Canadian friends tell me that Cuba is as dirty but considerably less violent. Never been there, so can’t say. Was in Mexico but mostly in wealthy areas, and that forty years ago.

  122. syonredux says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    “Ed McCurdy – Green Grow the Lilacs (Civil War Song)”
    also sung during the mexican-american war of the 1850s. Elision of first two words, followed by conversion to Spanish, supposedly gave us “gringo”.

    gringo (n.)
    term for a European or Anglo-American, 1847, from American Spanish gringo “foreigner,” from Spanish gringo “foreign speech, unintelligible talk, gibberish,” perhaps ultimately from griego “Greek.” The “Diccionario Castellano” (1787) says gringo was used in Malaga for “anyone who spoke Spanish badly,” and in Madrid for “the Irish.” Hence the American Spanish verb engringarse “to act like a foreigner.”

    https://www.etymonline.com/word/gringo

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  123. syonredux says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    But his biggest suggestion was that Mexicans retire the use of the ethnic slur gringo.

    Gringo is far preferable to Anglo

    There’s always Anglo-American…..

  124. Flip says:
    @Travis

    I imagine the Mexicans are a little sensitive to Americans coming in and owning land given the unpleasantness in the 1840s.

  125. Being from Mexico incarnate, Santa Ana, CaliforniAztlan, I prefer to be called the pejorative racist slur “gabacho” by my neighbors.

  126. Corn says:
    @South Texas Guy

    “but driving through Mexico … I’ve heard different stories. “

    I once spoke to a Mexican lady who lived in the Yucatan peninsula. Worked in IT, wouldn’t say well off but lived comfortably by Mexican standards. She mentioned flying to Mexico City. Being an American raised with a love of the road trip I asked her why she didn’t just drive.

    “Oh no. Not safe. Narcos.”

    Imagine if Americans were hesitant to road trip because the interstates were rife with drug traffickers and bandits. Our glorious future….

  127. @John Henry

    Immediately post NAFTA, there was a thing (it was at least a real minor thing, not just a media thing that comes up nowadays) talking about white collar Gringos working south of the border and putting the locals to shame with their hustle, and the hostility they were experiencing. They were called ‘drybacks’ by the Mexicans.

  128. @anonymous

    LOL. Yes, and to carry off Pamela Anderson in a sack, David Reich style.

  129. @haole

    We were surprised at how downscale Maui was when we visited a couple years ago. Expensive, yet unimpressive.

    And what’s with the rocky beaches? You couldn’t enjoy playing in the waves because your feet were getting shredded by all these rocks. Ouch!

    that said, we had a wonderful time.

  130. How many famous Mexican movie directors like Cuaron and Del Toro would pass a genetic test as “Mexican” if it meant mestizo?

    Those self-appointee experts who view the matter through a narrow gaze (verily squinting in their ardor!) will have you know all persons south of the Rio Grande are mesizo, absent presentation of genetic sequencing, to their satisfaction, complete with a chain of custody ensured by those same white-shoe accounting firms who gaurd the winners of Oscars until the envelopes are opened by the hostess.

  131. Pepe says:

    In the midst of gasoline shortages throughout Mexico caused by recent crackdown on widespread pipeline theft, now this:

    https://www.apnews.com/36cd6d4e02424ce5b495516a12fd6c28

  132. I think many Americans would love to holiday in or better yet migrate to Mexico, as long as ALL the Mexicans first migrated to south of their border into Central and South America.

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  133. @Brutusale

    Tipping isn’t the custom in Mexico. It isn’t required and it isn’t often done. Tipping is a stupid, elitest custom and should be abolished everywhere.

  134. Hail says: • Website
    @South Texas Guy

    You’re right there is going to be some kind of self-selection bias because this only picks up people who took the 23andMe test. There may be Whites not picked up.

    As for the White-Amerind balance overall, I assume higher-%-Amerind correlates with lower socioeconomic status. The 60-35 European-Amerind aggregate result for 23andMe Mexicans (31.8% Amerind, plus 3.7% Unassigned which is likely also Amerind IMO) is likely inflating the European share of Mexican genetics by some unknown degree.

    This is what the CIA has had for Mexico’s ethnic groups in the 2010s:

    Ethnic groups in Mexico:

    mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 62%, predominantly Amerindian 21%, Amerindian 7%, other 10% (mostly European) (2012 est.)

    note: Mexico does not collect census data on ethnicity

    – if the 7% ‘Amerindians’ are, by ancestral-stock, 90% Amerind, and
    – if the 21% ‘predominantly Amerind’ are 75% Amerind, and
    – if the 62% ‘mestizos’ are 40% Amerind, then
    –> we get a ~50% Amerind ancestral component for Mexico (aggregate)

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  135. TheBoom says:
    @ThreeCranes

    There’s a certain childishness to Mexicans that is irritating to a Northern European. Nothing works quite right nor is anything done quite right. At first this is charming but it wears thin.

    I lived and worked in Mexico and agree with you assessment. Mexicans, for the most part, never learn adult responsibility. They can be quite likable but are not responsible, very self centered and have no attention to detail. Their goal is to put as little effort into any task as they can get away with and have no concern how their actions impact others. There are exceptions but those exceptions are exceptions.

    As a result, Mexicans don’t trust other Mexicans and are frustrated in dealing with them even more than we are.

  136. J.Ross says: • Website
    @LongDrinkOfWater

    Not at all. The Mexicans can stay, all of them. The fantasy condition is that Mexico be conquered by Cecil Rhodes and administered by Anglos. Then you could even drink the water.

  137. TheBoom says:
    @South Texas Guy

    retirement residency only requires you prove to the Mex gov’t that you draw $500 per month

    Higher than that. It it’s tied to their minimum wage. Given today’s exchange rate it is 1258 USD per month for a temporary. For a pregnant residency it is $2100 USD. For some racist reason, Mexico doesn’t want poor retirees who will be a burden. Must be white supremacists

  138. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Here is a similar analysis of Argentinians in the 23andMe database. Defined as people born in Argentina or, if born abroad, who have all four grandparents born in Argentina (n=102, July 2015):

    Aggregate, sample of Argentinians on 23andMe:
    87% European (incl. 60% S.European [25% Iberian, 15% Italian, 20% Other/Broadly S.European], 10% NW.European, 7.5% Jewish, 6% Broadly European, 2% E.European);
    10% Amerindian (mostly in the Mestizo and Castizo pop.);
    1% Subsaharan (largely found in the Mestizo pop., who are 2.6% Subsaharan; Whites get only 0.2%)

    This aggregate inevitably hides the fact there are coherent, genetic-based ethnic groups in Argentina, associated with amount of Amerind ancestry:

    Argentine ethnic groups, by % Amerindian ancestry per 23andMe
    – 0.5% Amerind: White Argentinians of relatively recent European ancestry (of, I presume, 1880s-to-1910s arrival stock from Europe, at which time Argentina had immigration waves comparable to or exceeding in relative terms the USA’s of the same period) (n=44);
    – 14.0% Amerind: ‘Castizos’ and White Argentinians of relatively long Argentine ancestry (n=18 and n=25, respectively; 14.0% is an aggregate of 17.5% and 11.5%, respectively);
    – 35.5% Amerind: Mestizos with nativity in Argentina (n=15).

    My comments:

    – The actual ‘Indian’ population is in the 1% range, the same as in the USA, and none of them are in this 23andMe sample.

    – Much more significant, and also not counted here, are the several million recent (often illegal) Amerind and Mestizo immigrants from elsewhere in South America. If included, they would bump the national aggregate ‘Amerind’ component up by perhaps ten or more points.

    – (If recent decades’ arrivals are integrated seamlessly with future free-intermarriage, Argentina’s days as a European bastion are numbered; Argentina is, today, on the slow road to that typical, dreary Latin American mestizodom, but so are we in the USA.)

    Regarding

    87% European (incl. 60% S.European [25% Iberian, 15% Italian, 20% Broadly S.European], 10% NW.European, 7.5% Jewish, 6% Broadly European)

    – The high Ashkenazi Jewish percentage here is typical for early in the 23andMe run, when two the notable, disproportionately large customer demographics were Jews and adoptees. This analysis is a sample of people who had taken 23andMe by mid 2015.

    – In the peak-immigration era, there were apparently a lot more arrivals from Italy than Spain, but older-stock European ancestry is much more Spanish; by the 2010s, when the dust had long settled, Iberia ends up edging out Italy in 23andMe’s reading but not overwhelmingly.

    Regarding

    Argentine ethnic groups, by % Amerindian ancestry per 23andMe

    – (Caveat, small sample size of n=102) This analysis implies that true Whites in our sense might be up to 45% of Argentina. Argentine-born Queen Maxima of the Netherlands is typical of “The 45%”:

    Near-Whites may be around another 40%, with many if not most of these passing for full-White by phenotype much/most of the time;

    – The remainder (around 15%) are more typical Latin American mestizos.

    – All of these percentages are subject to correction for SES bias in the sample, just as with the Mexican 23andMe sample above.

  139. @syonredux

    Right, “Gringo” in Spanish as foreigner (originally “Greek”, maybe) antedated its current usage by over a century. However [1], in Latin America today (except for Brazil) “Gringo” is used to designate North Americans. (” In Spanish and English, gringo usually refers to an English-speaking male foreigner, especially one from the United States.”)

    I like the “Green grows” hypothesis, myself. The timing is right, and having a bunch of foreign troops in your territory, troops who occasionally sing “Green grows the lilacs” as on route marches and in camp, makes their identification by nearby local inhabitants almost inevitable. I mean, foreigners from a native country singing a catchy tune that starts out “Foreigners …” would be hard to forget, which is what you want in a military tag for anything. Also, it doesn’t require functional literacy.

    Just a hypothesis and maybe a good story, of course. I clearly should have said that in my original post.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gringo
    Wikipedia is up to the second pravda, so it’s a legitimate reference here.

  140. Gringo says:

    But his biggest suggestion was that Mexicans retire the use of the ethnic slur gringo.

    In Argentina, “gringo” means foreigner- not born in Argentina. Mi abuela era gringa. Nació en Italia. [My grandmother was a gringa. She was born in Italy.]

    One time in the town in Argentina where I worked, a busload of schoolchildren yelled out “Gringo” at me. I found it amusing. I found Argentina quite hospitable. I found it an asset to be a North American/US citizen in Argentina. In the town where I worked, everyone knew by sight who the gringos were, but elsewhere, Argentines had no difficulty pegging me for a foreigner. Argentine males wore blue/black slacks and white/light blue shirts for casual wear. My US casual wear was more colorful and, shall we say, more casual. One consequence of being pegged for a gringo was that on a number of occasions total strangers would come up to me to denounce the military regime. President Carter’s message had gotten through.

    In Peru, a Peruvian of Caucasian- in his case Spanish- descent told me, “gringo” means Caucasian/white/European. As such, he and I were both gringos. Or, “gringo” = “white boy.”

    When I was in the Peruvian mountain town of Huarás, people on the street kept calling me gringo. It made me uncomfortable. With time, I became more comfortable with it. People in Huarás were very outgoing. Children would tell me that they were a blessing from God. They were rather jocular, which I became to like as I am also rather jocular. Some spent time to teach me some words in Quechua, the local language. This gringo became fond of Huarás.

    On the other hand, consider the word “wetback.” When I first came to Houston, I stayed in a cheap rooming house in the East End. After I got an oil field job in the Latin American Operations of a Houston firm, I would stay in the rooming house during my times in Houston. There were a lot of Hispanics in that rooming house.[As an example of residential change- the accountant of some elderly Houston cousins lived a block away from the rooming house.] On occasion some Hispanics would call me mojoado [wetback] because of my proficiency in Spanish.

  141. Gringo says:
    @Anon

    My New Zealand friends did a world tour – only country they got sick in was Mexico.
    Its a shithole. Avoid.

    I have gotten Montezuma’s revenge from Mexico to Argentina.- though one is much less likely to get it in Argentina compared to Mexico. In my last trip to Mexico, I had no problems, until I ate a meal at a cafe in Tampico on my way out of the country. The food was lukewarm, not hot. By the time I was back in the US, I had Montezuma’s revenge. The lukewarm food was a warning.

    In later trips south of the border, I found that use of Polar Pure provided me with safe drinking water. After I started using Polar Pure, I never had a problem with Montezuma’s revenge.

  142. @JMcG

    I’ve seen a lot, but I’ve never seen anything like the strippers in Montreal.

    Try Las Chicas in Acapulco. It’s a no holes barred type of club and cheaper than a trip to Amsterdam..

    As far as Canuckistan, I always thought House of Lancaster in Toronto better than any of the Montreal clubs, but I suppose that’s just some rather extreme talent I’ve encountered there.

  143. @Reg Cæsar

    The authors and ratifiers of the Second Amendment would have no problem grabbing guns away from the majority of Mexicans.

    My bad, and here I’ve been laboring under the false impression that 2A applied to Americans and not aliens from whatever shithole country they’ve come..

    I keep forgetting that the Founders intended constitutional rights to apply to foreign invaders.

  144. duncsbaby says:
    @William Badwhite

    Richard Grant is a great travel writer. He’s a liberal but he’s realistic about different cultures and races. Crazy River is about his travels through south-central Africa: Tanzania, Burundi and Rwanda. It’s a good tonic for the cultural relativists.

  145. @Harry Baldwin

    During a trip to Cancun in the early 1980s, I had the distinction of being robbed in a bank

    In the mid-’80s I had the opposite experience in Helsinki. I left $200 in local currency on a condiment counter in a Burger King franchise packed with teenagers. And came back to it several minutes later.

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