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As I mentioned yesterday, a large fraction of whites admitted to the Ivy League are recruited athletes, typically for minor sports like skiing or squash. They generally have lower test scores than white applicants less likely to get in.

Other whites who get admitted in high proportions are legacies, faculty children, and donors’ kids.

Whites who do not get admitted in high proportions are smart, hard-working young white people with no “hook.”

How much does the high proportion of white jocks etcetera at Ivy League universities contribute to stereotypes of whites as privileged and stupid?

 
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  1. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:

    …a large fraction of whites admitted to the Ivy League are recruited athletes, typically for minor sports like skiing or squash…
    Other whites who get admitted in high proportions are legacies, faculty children, and donors’ kids.

    Aren’t the two related? The legacies and rich kids tend to play prep school sports.

  2. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    How much does the high proportion of white jocks etcetera at Ivy League universities contribute to stereotypes of whites as privileged and stupid?

    Probably less than the advertising industry.

    • Agree: Lot, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  3. I’ve been out of undergrad and medical school a long long time but even when I was in my salad days this dynamic had developed at elite colleges: an affirmative action caste, a legacy caste, an athlete caste, a jewish caste, and a combined flyover white/asian caste. I think the last two have split now that there are more asians and fewer flyover whites. Each caste was maybe 20% of the class.

    I’m old enough that I’ve seen where people ended up and and a few of my classmates had spectacular careers. One brought a new drug all the way from the bench to the clinic. One started a medical device company that if you have been to a hospital in the last decade you have seen their stuff. I knew a lot of people who made money, but the handful of people who, as they say, ‘did well by doing good,’ and that is the group that I admire/envy. Anyway: this group is 100% flyover white kids. (or now, white old men)

    Flyover white kids (particularly males) get screwed the worst by this country. It takes the fruits of their labor without an ounce of gratitude, and sometimes their lives in pointless, endless wars. And yet they love it the most. Go figure.

    Anyway this is going to kill alumni donation rates. Nobody sees the university as ‘theirs’ anymore.

  4. You can see this dynamic explicitly in the movie “Harvard Beats Yale 29-29.” Harvard’s players are all ethnic white hustlers, Yale’s by and large spoiled legacies like GWB and his friend, the goat of the flick, Mike Buscaren.

    In the intervening years all the Ivies have taken pains to eliminate such embarrassing competition for their core constituencies. Which is fine. They’re just a canker sore on the country’s ass at this point.

    Of course we love Her. She’s our country, not theirs’. They suck so bad because they have no country.

  5. Lagertha says:

    Bingo! The white athletes in the Ivies & Co. absolutely perpetuate the white privilege bs that Jews, and POC are so obsessed with. But, their perceived haughtiness is in the minds of these people who can never get over the social drama of their HS, or whatever injustice they feel they suffered. I think all people, particularly Progressives, are obsessed with what they thought was unfairness in HS.

    One of my sons was the real deal for football: insanely high test scores (SAT, ACT, AP) almost a dozen varsity letters; academic clubs; and leadership awards; volunteerism. He could have played at Princeton ( he was a very good player; size, speed, reaction, brains) – btw, Princeton does have football – but when we visited Princeton, he just hated the vibe. He just saw no happy people….nor hot girls – yeah, that matters!

    He went on to a great state U where he thrived and it cost mommy & daddy 75% less to send him there. I know I wrote about this a few years ago, but my sons started to judge whether 4 years should be spent on the beach or in the Rocky Mountains…and how much the Honor’s Colleges brought the cost down for those 4 years….so, things will change at the Ivies eventually. I think Ivies should just accept POC now only – it would be a boon for the State U’s to get all the top brains, Kinda’ like Aalto University in Finland – Finland has only public Us.

    Lastly, it does seem like sports at the Ivies are afa for white kids. And, most importantly, athletes do give the most amount of money when it comes to alumni giving. This is why Penn State is very well funded, or Texas A & M.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  6. Well, in conjunction with the – to state it mildly – anti-populist atmosphere at such places, it may contribute to the creation of rootless white people with no spines and no intellectual gumption.

    Presently there seems to be an almost limitless supply of timid professional WASPs to do the bidding of the elites. We young people call them “NPCs” or “non-playable characters.” This is in reference to how much they resemble the mindless enemies of video games.

  7. @SimpleSong

    And killing the alumni donation rate is bad, how?

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  8. Sam Coulton [AKA "S.S.M Coulton"] says:
    @SimpleSong

    Flyover white kids (particularly males) get screwed the worst by this country. It takes the fruits of their labor without an ounce of gratitude, and sometimes their lives in pointless, endless wars. And yet they love it the most. Go figure.

    Give me a break. White males are the most socially privileged in America, and the last three major wars the United States committed troops to had incredibly low casualty counts, more than dwarfed by the losses of Vietnam, Korea, both World Wars, or the Civil War. The homicide rate of New Orleans, Louisiana in 2007 for black males exceeded the death rate for *civillians* in Fallujah, Iraq that same year. A mere 7,000 US servicemen have been killed in Iraq-Afghanistan since 2001, making those wars the safest national invasions and occupations in world history; more than 20,000 black men were murdered in New York City alone in the 1980s.

  9. The main side effect is annually seen on the first day of March Madness, when a high-powered but frustrated number 2 seed has to grind out a 48-43 win over the plucky, patient and pasty-white Ivy League representative

  10. It’s not just minor sports….but “major” ones like football and baseball.

    And yes, it’s true…a lot of the Yale football players are not total thickos, but they are definitely not the sharpest knifes in the drawer.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  11. SFG says:
    @SimpleSong

    ‘Twould make sense: the flyover white kids have to be really, really exceptional to get in, so of course they do the most stuff when they get out.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  12. @Lagertha

    Lagertha’s son: Princeton’s girls are ugly.

    Ben Franklin: All cats are gray in the dark.

  13. All jocks were white back in the day. At least when new.

    But now, diversity is a strength:

    This one only costs 99¢, which is unusually, and refreshingly, proportional to the amount of fabric used:

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Lagertha
  14. sort of on topicish-
    even though it has become a parody of libtardia canon, i still read some of the atlantic every once in a while…
    had a podcast (which i almost universally ignore: DESPISE listening to 10-20-30 minutes of droning, ranting, or uh-ing which condenses to 2-3 minutes of reading info) where the topic was along the lines of ‘why are people obsessed with ivy league schools?’… sumpin like that…
    on a hunch, went to the atlantic masthead and -besides being surprised at how many libtards it took to screw in a lightbulb- looked up the first dozen or so mucky mucks at the atlantic, and -quelle surprise!- found that ALL OF THEM were ivy leaguers…
    (a couple of the first dozen or so, i could find no reference to their education in a few minutes of googling, otherwise, ALL ivy league types…)
    again, it strains credulity to think it takes THAT many mediawhores to put together that bird cage liner; but i guess they are effectively featherbedding sinecures for upper crust young eloi who are otherwise unemployable, low-skill slackers with a predeliction for sorosaganda…
    hey, atlantic mediawhores, self-awareness much ? ? ?

  15. Marty says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Wow, an entire paragraph of non-sequitur. Is there a word for that?

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  16. Not Raul says:

    I think it contributes quite a bit.

    Ivy League grads are over-represented in the top levels of finance, the law, academia, and major newspaper opinion pages. That’s who people see, that’s who gets paid for their opinion.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  17. @Sam Coulton

    Are you saying that the fact that blacks murder each other at incredible rates, and 70+ years ago there was the most violent and destructive war in the history of planet earth, means America soldiers being killed right now is no big deal? Even by internet comment standards that is astonishing.

    White and Asian men, per capita, pay the largest amount into the government, in the form of taxes, and get the least out in the form of benefits. The tiny piece of the military industrial complex that actually puts its life on the line is almost exclusively composed of white men.

    But, if you think whites are such privileged takers, you would be OK with partition/separation, right? In fact you would advocate for it, right? Right?

  18. @Redneck farmer

    Oh, it’s a feature, not a bug, at this point. I’ve stopped donating. You have to shut down the monasteries every 600 years or so, it seems.

    Actually I’d love to see monasticism make a comeback…

  19. Alfa158 says:

    I know asshats just like him in real life, not just internet commenters, and they have told me to my face that it’s no big deal. They believe that because it’s a volunteer military, and it pays OK, and the people who are getting maimed and killed probably vote the wrong way, they’re just irrelevant people getting what they asked for.

  20. eugyppius says:

    Obliquely related to Sailer’s question: It is remarkable how much whiter admitted students invariably get whenever other institutional interests encroach upon the operations of the admissions office. Which is especially the case with athletes. Admissions then doubles down on Diversity in those cases that they totally control. Caught in the middle of this are smart middle American whites and Asians.

  21. swamped says:

    “As I mentioned yesterday, a large fraction of whites admitted to the Ivy League are recruited athletes, typically for minor sports like skiing or squash”…Princeton now has NINETEEN men’s teams, since they added an even more meeny-minor sport, Curling, last January. Whether Curling (are they players?) kids are jocks or fit “the stereotype” will have to be seen over time but maybe they can recruit some black or Hispanic curlers from South Central L.A. Or maybe some Native American curlers from Elizabeth Warren’s old neighborhood. It does however leave the Tigers in the slightly awkward position of having 19 men’s teams to 17 women’s teams with the onerous Title IX shadow hanging over them. But hopefully Betsy DeVos won’t mind. The Ivies actually like having a proportion of white jocks on campus to counter the stereotype that they’re all a bunch of pointey-headed wusses.

  22. Me2020 says:

    Ivies used sports to keep out the wimpy Jews a century ago, now that Jews are benefitting as legacies and development, it is used to keep out the wimpy Asians and unhooked white kids. Unhooked white kids who are good at sports tend to apply to State U rather than the Ivies, whose recruited athlete hook is mostly reserved for rich white prep school kids.

    Jewish “B” students and non-Ivy legacies love liberal arts colleges (LACs) like Dennison.

    • Replies: @Charon
  23. @SFG

    What was interesting to me was actually the time involved–the guys who were really really successful were the ones that I expected to be based on the way they were in undergrad, but it took a lot longer than any of us expected. I remember seeing them at my 20th reunion and thinking nothing much had happened for them and my assessment must have been wrong–I figured if they were going to make it big they would have made it by then. Then in the next two decades all of a sudden their struggling little ventures took off.

  24. @Not Raul

    True, but the times they are a changin’. Today I’ve read more words written by Not Raul than Thomas Friedman.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  25. Not Raul says:
    @SimpleSong

    Few people are as lucky as you are.

    Unlike Tom Friedman, I don’t get paid for my opinion. Money lends prestige to opinions. How many people would care what some random cab driver said if Tom Friedman didn’t get paid a lot of money to recall it?

    Also, isn’t getting paid for one’s opinions indicative of privilege?

  26. @Sam Coulton

    S.S.M., have you met B.B.C.? He’s often accompanied by S.T.D.

    • Replies: @SFG
  27. Charon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You can be very strange sometimes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  28. Charon says:
    @Me2020

    Ivies used sports to keep out the wimpy Jews a century ago

    A century ago, Jews were over 20% of Harvard’s enrollment. To take just one obvious example. Over the next several years, Jewish enrollment actually increased from that wildly disproportionate share.

  29. Johnny789 says:

    Mike Conley Jr. only played one year of Basketball at Ohio State, but he still donated a good chunk of money ($1 million, I believe) for a training area and a new locker room. USC (and I’m pretty sure all of the other big time football schools) endow the scholarships for all of the positions down to at least the 2nd stringers and the coaches. I’ve even seen the coaches referred to as the “Wile E. Coyote Head Coach“ in official press releases.

  30. eugyppius says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Because homicides are overwhelmingly intra-racial, you’re saying black males in 2007 New Orleans achieved a civilian death rate comparable to that of professional soldiers in Fallujah and also that black men killed a lot of black men in 1980s NYC. Neither statistic is surprising.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  31. Medvedev says:
    @SimpleSong

    an affirmative action caste, a legacy caste, an athlete caste, a jewish caste, and a combined flyover white/asian caste

    I can only imagine that non-Jewish White kids who aren’t athletes and don’t have rich parents have it as hard or harder than Asian kids.
    And unlike Asians they don’t have pro-White group that supports their interests and fights discrimination against them.
    Even White Christian cucks would rather fight against discrimination of Asians then discrimination of Christian White kids.

    • Replies: @SFG
  32. Hodag says:

    By a long shot one would make more money on average over time being on the Harvard or Yale men’s golf team than being a first round pick in the NFL. Probably true for the women’s also – would one rather go on a date with a girl on the golf team or the basketball team?

  33. @eugyppius

    I visited New Orleans in 2007. The front page of the Times-Picayune was incredibly depressing with various murders including of useful citizens like famous jazz musicsians.

  34. I would advise athletic white boys with good test scores who come from normal (i.e. flyover) places to avoid the Ivies.

    They will be cultural outsiders and will have to pay full freight. Often they aren’t prepared for the academic rigors either.

    Go to a school in your state instead and load up on scholarships and find a wife, or else go to a service academy and have a job waiting for you when you are done.

  35. Minorities benefit the most from legacy admissions not whites. I would not be surprised if most Ivy League colleges are now admitting minority majority legacy classes – no one has ever bothered to check. I can’t even think of one noteable legacy with two white parents in recent years. Feel free to mention some.

    Mixed race legacy children are very common (Stone Phillips, Jamaica Kincaid, Amy Chua, Neil DeGrasse Tyson).

  36. Clemsnman says:

    I figure it would be a dishonest way to keep the Univ mostly white, while still expounding the virtues of diversity.

  37. @Reg Cæsar

    Is that Beto?

    Why would you even ask that?!?

    Of course it’s Beto.

  38. Cmon, you’d have to be crazy to chew up smart people with brain-bashing pastimes like football. That would be like making hamburger out of Kobe beef.

  39. @Charon

    You can be very strange sometimes.

    As my former Senator Al Franken once said, “I’m not proud of every joke I’ve ever told.”

  40. @Sam Coulton

    I wouldn’t trade a single one of the 7,000 who died in Iraq-Afghanistan for all 20,000 of those hoodrats.

    A certain degree of social privilege is enjoyed when functioning members of society silently watch the malt likka been pour’ on da curb for a homie and opt not to say “Good riddance!” out loud. You write coherently, so you’re obviously not a denizen of the black ghetto, but you pretend to be bothered by their plight. Diagnosis: shitlib with a paraphilia (negro nut on the brain)

  41. sayless says:

    Black homicide victims in New Orleans in 2007, black homicide victims in New York City in the eighties.

    I don’t know what to do about black males killing other black males. No one knows. Do you know what to do?

    “A mere 7,000”.
    Anyone you knew?

  42. Lagertha says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I have missed your craziness! I just threw 12 jock straps (downsizing…shut up!, hahaaa) in the garbage. It felt wrong to drop them off at Goodwill. But, these were the expensive Nike or whatever jock straps my sons insisted I buy. Has anyone else out there felt bad about throwing out really expensive football girdles, compression shorts, jock straps, shin guards? or am I the only mother who feels that this expensive stuff I paid for (and it is Nordic clean and sterilized) is just to be chucked into the garbage?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Lagertha
  43. SFG says:
    @Stan Adams

    Oh, S.M. is usually abbreviated to B.D.S.M. nowadays. From what I’ve heard cracking the whip is actually *less* likely to lead to STDs since there’s not necessarily penetration. Houellebecq had choice words about it in one of his novels (he did not approve).

  44. SFG says:
    @Medvedev

    Actually, the guy behind the group is Jewish (Edward Blum), and he *tried* fighting for a Christian White kid (remember Abigail Fisher and the U of Texas?), it just didn’t work.

  45. @Lagertha

    …am I the only mother who feels that this expensive stuff I paid for (and it is Nordic clean and sterilized) is just to be chucked into the garbage?

    Unlike baseball cards, used jockstraps will probably never become a collector’s item.

    With straight guys, anyway. Neil Patrick Harris’s might fetch something in a West Hollywood auction.

    THE CARDS YOUR MOTHER THREW AWAY – AND OTHER TALES

    The Cards This Guy’s Mom Didn’t Throw Away Are Worth Over $1 Million

  46. Whites who do not get admitted in high proportions are smart, hard-working young white people with no “hook.”

  47. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    hahaaa. I am just enjoying, listening to the craven press say that Tulsi is a Russian agent!

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  48. Yak-15 says:

    The reason why Ivies recruit athletes so heavily is because this enables them to select people with the rare combination of multiple, success-essential 2SD+ traits.

    The prototypical Ivy League football player is 6’3”, runs a 4.8 40 yard dash, scores 1300 on his SAT with a 3.85 GPA, was runner up for prom king and barely escaped underage drinking tickets because his dad knew the chief of police.

    These are the Green Berets of life outcomes – men whose combination of smarts, connections and charisma catapult them into the top echelons of law, business and politics. On top of this all, the best edge that athletes bring is competitiveness and by proxy, experience with high-level pressure.

    Familiarity with competition magnifies all other traits and constitutes the secret sauce that makes Ivy athletes truly exceptional. Furthermore, these attributes become particularly stark when athletes are compared to the typically inaccessible, indecisive Ivy League over-thinker who does not have the drive to best competitors.

  49. Dan Hayes says:
    @Lagertha

    And where else than Tucker Carlson’s would Tulsi hammer Hillary!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Lagertha
  50. @SimpleSong

    Flyover white kids (particularly males) get screwed the worst by this country. It takes the fruits of their labor without an ounce of gratitude, and sometimes their lives in pointless, endless wars. And yet they love it the most. Go figure.

    It takes the fruits of their labor without an ounce of gratitude, and sometimes their lives in pointless, endless wars, precisely because they love it the most.

    If you sell yourself cheap, people will take advantage of you.

  51. Lagertha says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Hillary needs to be hammered into the ground to allow Democrats to ever be accepted by ordinary people, ever again, Oh yah, baby!….wait, Hillary called them, condescendingly,”Every Day Americans.”. I hate her and I wish she would go away. Well, I have a visceral hatred of Democrats, so, yah, I don’t give a rat’s ass anymore – it is war, and I love it!!!!!!!

  52. Lagertha says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Tucker is Puck in the play that is going on. Democrats, because they embraced Bolshevism, deserve to lose….sorry – hate you and your progeny, hate all liberals, every single one of them – you are not Americans. It is too late for you and your pathetic virtue-signalers. If your kid is white, it is too late for you. Wake the F*ck up! Your child is expendable bc white.

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