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From CNN:

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Gun homicides on the rise, CDC says
By Susan Scutti, CNN

Updated 6:13 PM ET, Thu July 26, 2018

(CNN) Shooting homicides are on the rise, though other common methods of murder remain flat, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The most common method of killing another person from 2010 through 2016 was by using a gun, Thursday’s CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report indicates. …

All three methods of homicide remained stable from 2010 through 2014. However, for the two-year period after that, gun homicides increased 31%, from 11,008 shooting deaths in 2014 to 14,415 in 2016. The two other top methods remained stable between 2014 and 2016. …

Part of the sharp upward curve beginning in 2014 may be because of a surge of violence in a small number of cities, including Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis and Kansas City, said Daniel Webster, a professor of health policy and management at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?

Each of these cities has experienced “fairly notable and large increases in homicides over the period in question,” while “other places have been more flat,” said Webster, who was not involved in the CDC report. …

Gun violence is essentially contagious, he said: “Violence begets violence.”

Guns and violence both have moral agency. Murderers in St. Louis, Baltimore and Chicago, of course, do not. They are simply automatons at the command of Systemic Racism and/or Trump’s Climate of Hate.

When there is a shooting or two in a given neighborhood in a short period, what often follows is a retaliation shooting or simply a lot of people feeling nervous who begin to carry guns, he said.

It’s all those redneck NRA members in Baltimore. Haven’t you watched The Wire?

“If more people are carrying guns and they think there are others out there going to kill them … they are going to shoot first and ask questions later,” Webster said.

No gun is illegal! Wait … that’s undocumented workers. Sorry. I confused my talking points.

Guns are a disease. There, that’s the right one.

Webster said the number of civilians who carry guns is another form of gun contagion or basic social influence, especially with changing gun laws.

“Just like we admire people’s clothes or haircuts or whatever — ‘I think I’ll do that’ — the same thing happens with civilian gun carrying,” he said. “We now have 12 states for which you can carry a loaded concealed gun with you or in your vehicle with no license or no vetting, no nothing.” He noted that these laws apply only in cases in which the armed person is not a convicted felon and doesn’t fall into other prohibited categories.

Obviously, the incremental Chicago murderers of 2016 over 2014 were overwhelmingly not convicted felons or other individuals subject to gun control laws. No doubt they were Trump voters driving their SUVs in from small towns to shoot people in Chicago with their legal guns.

“The available data suggests that as we make it easier and easier for more and more civilians to carry guns wherever they want, we end up with more homicides and other firearm-related crimes,” Webster said.

Like in Chicago, every Walmart sells guns. I think … Right?

He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns, going up very rapidly and then coming down very rapidly. …

Although the majority of people who carry guns may be “perfectly safe and law-abiding people,” there’s always a “subset” who are not, Webster said: “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”

Guns are the disease. Or maybe gun-owners are the disease.

Seriously, as I wrote way back in 2004:

The endless gun-control brouhaha, which on the surface appears to be a bitter battle between liberal and conservative whites, also features a cryptic racial angle. What blue-region white liberals actually want is for the government to disarm the dangerous urban minorities that threaten their children’s safety. Red-region white conservatives, insulated by distance from the Crips and the Bloods, don’t care that white liberals’ kids are in peril. …

White liberals, angered by white conservatives’ lack of racial solidarity with them, yet bereft of any vocabulary for expressing such a verboten concept, pretend that they need gun control to protect them from gun-crazy rural rednecks, such as the ones Michael Moore demonized in “Bowling for Columbine,” thus further enraging red-region Republicans.

 
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  1. “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”

    I worked a campaign in NW Pennsylvania. Median income about 35K, lots of drug use, broken homes, domestic abuse, tattoos, chain smokers, nothing for the kids ‘to do.’ Basically, ghetto culture in a rural setting.

    Oh, and everyone had a gun, a hunting rifle usually but also handguns. Guns for ‘home protection.’

    I asked people all over the district if there were any shootings they could recall. They couldn’t even remember a murder that wasn’t DV related or a meth head stabbing another meth head to death. Lots of drug dealing going on, but no gang shootings, or random shootings of any kind.

    Just suicides. An alarming number.

    Go figure.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    From your narrative, it sounds like the decision to commit violence precedes the decision to use a firearm. What concerns me are those people who want a firearm for more street cred and make impulsive decisions to use a handgun. If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.
  2. “The available data suggests that as we make it easier and easier for more and more civilians to carry guns wherever they want, we end up with more homicides and other firearm-related crimes,” Webster said. He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns, going up very rapidly and then coming down very rapidly. …

    Only in some groups of people (but we’re all the same!) does increased gun ownership correlate to more gun violence. In other groups, increased gun ownership reduces crime overall. There must be some way to distinguish between these groups of people.

    Although the majority of people who carry guns may be “perfectly safe and law-abiding people,” there’s always a “subset” who are not, Webster said: “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”

    I guess, since I live among people who own firearms but do not commit violence, I must accept gun confiscation and a higher crime rate b/c other groups of people lack impulse control, and do things like throw a smaller and older man to the ground and advance on him for the unspeakable crime of yelling at his woman. I guess the older man should have taken the beating which was due him for that crime. Yes, this makes for a better society.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Amen, brother. Like John Wayne said, “I won’t be laid a hand on.”
    , @Dtbb
    Actoss the street from the habib store where the shooting occurred is a large gun store for what it's worth.
  3. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”

    I worked a campaign in NW Pennsylvania. Median income about 35K, lots of drug use, broken homes, domestic abuse, tattoos, chain smokers, nothing for the kids 'to do.' Basically, ghetto culture in a rural setting.

    Oh, and everyone had a gun, a hunting rifle usually but also handguns. Guns for 'home protection.'

    I asked people all over the district if there were any shootings they could recall. They couldn't even remember a murder that wasn't DV related or a meth head stabbing another meth head to death. Lots of drug dealing going on, but no gang shootings, or random shootings of any kind.

    Just suicides. An alarming number.

    Go figure.

    From your narrative, it sounds like the decision to commit violence precedes the decision to use a firearm. What concerns me are those people who want a firearm for more street cred and make impulsive decisions to use a handgun. If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.
     
    It's the Amish I tell you.
  4. “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

    • Replies: @anon
    … with a piece of slavery on the side, eh Tommy? ;)
  5. Like Muslim immigrants, the vast majority of guns are not killing anyone, at any given time.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    When guns want to kill people, they prefer to migrate into the hands of young, black men.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    The same can be said for Palestinians. So why does Israel keep them locked up in the Gaza Strip and West Bank?
  6. Blacks don’t have agency. They have divinity.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Blacks don’t have agency. They have divinity.
     
    The textbook example of negrolatry.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Blacks don't have agency. They have divinity."

    So the white liberals who infest media and culture would have us believe.
  7. This push to chalk up “gun violence” as a “public health problem” (or, as stated here, a contagion), serves as a distraction from the (“black”) people doing it.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Put another way—compared statistically to the rest of the population, are blacks (either as violent perpetrators or procreation vectors thereof) a public health problem? And should the CDC advocate the restriction and numeric reduction of blacks in American society?
  8. @James Speaks

    “The available data suggests that as we make it easier and easier for more and more civilians to carry guns wherever they want, we end up with more homicides and other firearm-related crimes,” Webster said. He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns, going up very rapidly and then coming down very rapidly. …
     
    Only in some groups of people (but we're all the same!) does increased gun ownership correlate to more gun violence. In other groups, increased gun ownership reduces crime overall. There must be some way to distinguish between these groups of people.

    Although the majority of people who carry guns may be “perfectly safe and law-abiding people,” there’s always a “subset” who are not, Webster said: “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”
     
    I guess, since I live among people who own firearms but do not commit violence, I must accept gun confiscation and a higher crime rate b/c other groups of people lack impulse control, and do things like throw a smaller and older man to the ground and advance on him for the unspeakable crime of yelling at his woman. I guess the older man should have taken the beating which was due him for that crime. Yes, this makes for a better society.

    Amen, brother. Like John Wayne said, “I won’t be laid a hand on.”

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    Although I do not think the shooter in Clearwater acted correctly, once he was on the ground with the ultimate victim advancing towards him, self defense is a reasonable legal defense. But, I do not think he acted correctly.

    Criticising someone who has parked illegally, unless it endangers myself, is not something I am going to do. If I win, what do I win? Very little.

    Prefer to make a note of yet another 'that segment of society's inability to respect laws' and vote accordingly.
  9. Frankly, I am tired of hearing about “Gun Violence” the the Chicago news media. I would prefer a more honest descriptive, like: “Felonious Black Gun Fire.”

    And remember, for anyone to LEGALLY purchase a firearm in the People’s Republic of Illinois, you have to submit to the Illinois State Police a request to obtain an Firearm’s Owner ID card. Normally, that would take you at least a MONTH. And then, you have to go to your gun shop, and tell them you want to purchase a gun. Can you finally have your gun NOW? NO! Under our RINO Republican Gov. Rauner, we must now wait 3 days to purchase a longgun or handgun. After three days, you can finally pick your gun. But wait, now you have to pay for an FBI “Instant Check” before you can do that.

    And if you are in Cook County or Chicago, we have bans on standard-capacity magazines (Chi-Town-15rds), Assault Weapons bans, and a special Preckwinkle smallarms ammunition tax per round.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    It's gang violence.
    , @Mr. Rational

    I am tired of hearing about “Gun Violence”
     
    There is a poster at SBPDL who has had an on-going satire series about the search for Gunnar "Gunn" Violenz.  There haven't been any posts lately, but if you search the history I'm sure what's there will give you a chuckle or two.  I hope he's inspired to bring the story to a conclusion.
  10. @International Jew
    Like Muslim immigrants, the vast majority of guns are not killing anyone, at any given time.

    When guns want to kill people, they prefer to migrate into the hands of young, black men.

    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    With Tiny Duck's logic, the handguns prefer POC. Handguns should be celebrated for their wokeness.
  11. Reducing motor vehicle crash deaths was one of the great public health achievements of the 20th century for the US. However, more than 32,000 people are killed and 2 million are injured each year from motor vehicle crashes.

    Seems we have more important problems than guns.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/pdf/2016-07-vitalsigns.pdf

  12. @JMcG
    Amen, brother. Like John Wayne said, “I won’t be laid a hand on.”

    Although I do not think the shooter in Clearwater acted correctly, once he was on the ground with the ultimate victim advancing towards him, self defense is a reasonable legal defense. But, I do not think he acted correctly.

    Criticising someone who has parked illegally, unless it endangers myself, is not something I am going to do. If I win, what do I win? Very little.

    Prefer to make a note of yet another ‘that segment of society’s inability to respect laws’ and vote accordingly.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    Having been put into a similar situation by a gang of Black "utes," rest assured that anyone that puts you on the ground (What if he hit his head and died? I've known two people to succumb to to falls.) has surely assaulted you with criminal intent. Your first reaction is: "Oh f****, I'm in deep s**** now. What's he going to do to me now?"

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should, something I as an Illinois resident could NOT do at the time.

    And I intend to take that to any jury trial if it comes up.
    , @MBlanc46
    You’re right, in general, that confronting someone over parking in a handicapped space can end badly. That’s especially the case when the miscreant is a Negro. That said, one of the reasons that we can’t have nice things any more, is that opposing anti-social behavior is violently opposed.
  13. @Buzz Mohawk
    When guns want to kill people, they prefer to migrate into the hands of young, black men.

    With Tiny Duck’s logic, the handguns prefer POC. Handguns should be celebrated for their wokeness.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Yes, but also according to Tiny D*ck's logic, pretty soon handguns will be sleeping with our white women. (Those white women who don't already have one in the bedside drawer, next to other tools...)
  14. Technology drives politics. Welcome to DIY guns.

    “A Landmark Legal Shift Opens Pandora’s Box for DIY Guns”

    “Cody Wilson makes digital files that let anyone 3-D print untraceable guns. The government tried to stop him. He sued—and won.”

    https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Personally, I'm not going to hold up in front of my face a gun I made out of grey goo on a 3-d printer.
    , @Joe Stalin
    In Australia:

    "Under new laws, Australians who download and store the STL files for 3D printed guns can be prosecuted and sentenced to a massive jail term."

    "The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years in prison [NSW]"

    https://all3dp.com/3d-printed-guns-australia-prison/

    In the UK: "Weapons as Political Protest: P. A. Luty's Submachine gun."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

    In the USA:

    Make your own AR-15, AR-10, Glock-style pistols at home from 80% lower frames:

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    Remember, as the girl said at the end of John Milius' "Red Dawn" (1984):

    "Free."
  15. Tough to do a drive by smothering. Also hard to hide a pillow under your hoodie.

  16. Growing up from age 12 in the Rocky Mountains, everybody, we and every single neighbor, had a rifle.

    My school friend down the road showed me how to use a potato as a silencer. Yep, just jam your spud onto the end of the barrel and your shots will be a lot quieter.

    Colorado law did not allow concealed weapons in your vehicle, so everybody with a pickup truck had a rack in the rear window of the cab. Driving behind, you could see one or two rifles in the window. Completely normal.

    I don’t remember one single shooting or murder of anyone.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    In case anyone with Asperger's notices, I must confess I forgot, since I mentioned it here recently:

    John Hinckley Jr., next door neighbor of our friends, apparently did shoot President Reagan and others with a handgun in Washington -- but somehow I don't think that counts.

  17. @CCZ
    Technology drives politics. Welcome to DIY guns.

    "A Landmark Legal Shift Opens Pandora’s Box for DIY Guns"

    "Cody Wilson makes digital files that let anyone 3-D print untraceable guns. The government tried to stop him. He sued—and won."

    https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/

    Personally, I’m not going to hold up in front of my face a gun I made out of grey goo on a 3-d printer.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    How Metal 3D Printing Works

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da5IsmZZ-tw
    , @CCZ
    But it will eventually affect the gun control debate and high stress metals “printing” is on the way.

    https://www.amazingpal.tv/military/3d-printed-metal-gun-500-round-endurance-testt/

    “For the first time, 3D printing technology has been used to make a metal working copy of the 1911 Browning automatic pistol, the legendary Colt 45.”

    "Most 3D printers work by spraying layers of plastic or a similar material together to create an object. Solid Concepts’ DMLS uses lasers to melt metal powder and create specific shapes. “The whole concept of using a laser sintering process to 3D print a metal gun revolves around proving the reliability, accuracy and usability of 3D Metal Printing as functional prototypes and end use products,” Solid Concepts Vice President Kent Firestone said."

    "The idea is to show that 3D printing can be made to make more than just “plastic Yoda heads,” Parkinson wrote. The company wants to get around the misconception that 3D printing can only be used to create things from plastic."

    "Currently this is an industrial process but in the future the machines used could get cheap and small enough for small business or home house. A good way to think of the DMLS is as a machine shop in a box.”
    [Sources: 3dPrint.com and offthegridnews.com]
     
    https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/3d-printed_guns_have_nj_officials_freaked_out.html

    “On Thursday, New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal sent a cease-and-desist letter to Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson demanding the group refrain from "publishing printable-gun computer files for use by New Jersey residents." The letter threatens unspecified "legal action" if the gun designs are made public.”
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Grey goo? Okay, how about Metal Gear Solid:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_laser_melting

    Expensive now, cheaper later.

    https://giant.gfycat.com/FrankHarshHamadryas.gif
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    How about composite plastic?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BW8I5gqqLQ
  18. @Joe Stalin
    Frankly, I am tired of hearing about "Gun Violence" the the Chicago news media. I would prefer a more honest descriptive, like: "Felonious Black Gun Fire."

    And remember, for anyone to LEGALLY purchase a firearm in the People's Republic of Illinois, you have to submit to the Illinois State Police a request to obtain an Firearm's Owner ID card. Normally, that would take you at least a MONTH. And then, you have to go to your gun shop, and tell them you want to purchase a gun. Can you finally have your gun NOW? NO! Under our RINO Republican Gov. Rauner, we must now wait 3 days to purchase a longgun or handgun. After three days, you can finally pick your gun. But wait, now you have to pay for an FBI "Instant Check" before you can do that.

    And if you are in Cook County or Chicago, we have bans on standard-capacity magazines (Chi-Town-15rds), Assault Weapons bans, and a special Preckwinkle smallarms ammunition tax per round.

    It’s gang violence.

  19. Interesting fact: Prosecutors in NYC are tougher on majority white Manhattan than the more vibrant outer boroughs in jailing illegal gun owners.

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Gun-Arrests-Jail-Time-Vary-by-Borough-New-York-City-489058261.html

    They don’t break out the stats by race, of course. People might start asking the wrong questions.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Forbes
    There are five district attorneys in NYC--one for each borough (county)--with varying priorities for re-election.

    Also, there's not a lot of need for racial breakdown of gun crimes in NYC. Although gun crimes are more than just shootings, e.g. illegal possession, only 2% of shootings are committed by whites--98% by black & Hispanic perps.
  20. @Johnnie Walker Read
    “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

    … with a piece of slavery on the side, eh Tommy? 😉

  21. Two weeks ago in Buffalo, a 54 year old grandmother and her 17 month old grandson were shot and killed on her porch at her birthday party. Today two more people were shot at the same house. This week seven people were shot at the filming of a rap video in Cleveland. Guess what the connecting feature was between all of these shootings. In Berkeley a white man stabbed and killed a 17 year old black girl as she exited a BART train. The cries of hate crime already fill the California sky.

  22. The endless gun-control brouhaha, which on the surface appears to be a bitter battle between liberal and conservative whites, also features a cryptic racial angle. What blue-region white liberals actually want is for the government to disarm the dangerous urban minorities that threaten their children’s safety. Red-region white conservatives, insulated by distance from the Crips and the Bloods, don’t care that white liberals’ kids are in peril. …

    Well stated Steve and it has aged extremely well over 14 years.

    Looking back, who would have predicted 14 years ago that a future half-black U.S. President would be responsible for a dramatic rise in gun deaths due to something like the “Ferguson Effect”? Or his black AG would be responsible for a number of murders after running guns to Mexico?

  23. @James Speaks
    Although I do not think the shooter in Clearwater acted correctly, once he was on the ground with the ultimate victim advancing towards him, self defense is a reasonable legal defense. But, I do not think he acted correctly.

    Criticising someone who has parked illegally, unless it endangers myself, is not something I am going to do. If I win, what do I win? Very little.

    Prefer to make a note of yet another 'that segment of society's inability to respect laws' and vote accordingly.

    Having been put into a similar situation by a gang of Black “utes,” rest assured that anyone that puts you on the ground (What if he hit his head and died? I’ve known two people to succumb to to falls.) has surely assaulted you with criminal intent. Your first reaction is: “Oh f****, I’m in deep s**** now. What’s he going to do to me now?”

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should, something I as an Illinois resident could NOT do at the time.

    And I intend to take that to any jury trial if it comes up.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    Future time orientation and impulse control would have helped this situation. The man on the ground wanted to win an argument with someone not worth arguing with. The Amish are notorious for losing their temper and reacting violently to criticism.

    Having said all that, once on the ground the shooter had the right to defend himself. You should have read my entire comment.
    , @Anon
    "If someone puts his hands on you, send 'em to the morgue!" - Malcom X
    , @vinteuil

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should
     
    Agreed. Zero sympathy for the dead guy.

    All too many American blacks these days seem to think it's their God-given right to park illegally, to get in the 10-items-or-less line at Walmart with a full shopping cart, to ignore any other little rules that they find inconvenient at the moment - and then to assault you, verbally &/or physically, if you object.

    Been there, done that.

    The quicker & the harsher the push-back, the better, I say.
    , @MBlanc46
    You don’t say where you live in Illinois, but as a white guy in Cook County, I wouldn’t want to see all the black faces in the jury box at my trial.
  24. @Buzz Mohawk
    Growing up from age 12 in the Rocky Mountains, everybody, we and every single neighbor, had a rifle.

    My school friend down the road showed me how to use a potato as a silencer. Yep, just jam your spud onto the end of the barrel and your shots will be a lot quieter.

    Colorado law did not allow concealed weapons in your vehicle, so everybody with a pickup truck had a rack in the rear window of the cab. Driving behind, you could see one or two rifles in the window. Completely normal.

    I don't remember one single shooting or murder of anyone.

    In case anyone with Asperger’s notices, I must confess I forgot, since I mentioned it here recently:

    John Hinckley Jr., next door neighbor of our friends, apparently did shoot President Reagan and others with a handgun in Washington — but somehow I don’t think that counts.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, your memory is failing you, like you said. It could not have been Washington, FS where President Reagan was shot with a .22 magnum. That was well before the Heller Supreme Court decision, meaning handguns were completely illegal to own, much less bear in that city at that time.

    Ipso facto, quid quo pro, Clarice, you must be mistaken.

    .
    .

    Haha, am I doing it right, Steve (this snark thing, I mean)?

  25. OT: NJ radio hosts call Sikh AG “Turban Man,”
    for which they’re suspended and the governor condemns them for “hate speech.”

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b59cac5e4b0b15aba95f9cd

  26. He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns,

    Ahhh, well the learned Professor Webster must be aware that blacks are approximately fifty times more likely to get syphilis than whites. But please, none shall speak the obvious in our esteemed institutions of higher learning.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    This is not unlike the '80s-'90s public health propaganda that everyone was at risk to AIDS, when the vectors were homosexuals and black intravenous drug users. Shall we say, a rather small subset of everyone.
  27. @James Speaks
    From your narrative, it sounds like the decision to commit violence precedes the decision to use a firearm. What concerns me are those people who want a firearm for more street cred and make impulsive decisions to use a handgun. If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.

    If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.

    It’s the Amish I tell you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.
     
    It’s the Amish I tell you.
     
    We need shun control.
  28. @CCZ
    Technology drives politics. Welcome to DIY guns.

    "A Landmark Legal Shift Opens Pandora’s Box for DIY Guns"

    "Cody Wilson makes digital files that let anyone 3-D print untraceable guns. The government tried to stop him. He sued—and won."

    https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/

    In Australia:

    “Under new laws, Australians who download and store the STL files for 3D printed guns can be prosecuted and sentenced to a massive jail term.”

    “The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years in prison [NSW]”

    https://all3dp.com/3d-printed-guns-australia-prison/

    In the UK: “Weapons as Political Protest: P. A. Luty’s Submachine gun.”

    In the USA:

    Make your own AR-15, AR-10, Glock-style pistols at home from 80% lower frames:

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    Remember, as the girl said at the end of John Milius’ “Red Dawn” (1984):

    “Free.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    As everybody tells the kid in "Christmas Story:"

    "You're going to put your eye out."

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I am really disappointed in Australia. It should be a much more free, masculine country. I'm pretty sure it used to be. What the hell happened?
    , @MarkinLA
    About 20 years ago there was a huge interest in rebuilding old Sten submachine guns, we had a similar gun called the grease gun. It was basically a tube with a few components strategically attached. You could buy demilled (made useless according to ATF rules) Sten kits for nothing at gun shows everywhere.

    All you needed was a metal tube the right diameter and thickness, use the supplied template to cut out the holes in the right places, grind off the barrel nut from old receiver in the kit and weld it onto the tube, and finally assemble all the parts from the kit onto your new receiver.

    That clown Yaroslavsky used the BS in the LA times about all the "machine guns" (these kits) being sold at the gun show at the LA County Fairgrounds to shut it down.

    They were also selling sheet metal plates that could be bent and drilled out to make an AKM receiver. You also bought a demilled AKM kit for that.
    , @George
    If I remember right Luty spend years in jail, and then died of cancer at a fairly young age.

    P A Luty website has been preserved:
    http://thehomegunsmith.com/index.shtml
  29. @countenance
    This push to chalk up "gun violence" as a "public health problem" (or, as stated here, a contagion), serves as a distraction from the ("black") people doing it.

    Put another way—compared statistically to the rest of the population, are blacks (either as violent perpetrators or procreation vectors thereof) a public health problem? And should the CDC advocate the restriction and numeric reduction of blacks in American society?

    • Replies: @Bubba
    That will definitely happen when the Chinese take over America.
    , @Mr. Rational
    Indeed.  If gun violence is as much of a disease as syphilis or HIV, Blacks are its prime vector and the CDC's proposals should be aimed at containing and eliminating them.

    But they're aimed at the people who propagate neither "disease".  Funny, that.
  30. Although the majority of people who carry guns may be “perfectly safe and law-abiding people,” there’s always a “subset” who are not, Webster said: “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”

    A subset, hmm? A social scientist should love an unrepresentative subset, see if it’s an opportunity to discern some sort of a pattern. Maybe he’ll find out that people with novel apostrophes or Q’s in their given names appear disproportionately in this subset.

  31. @Joe Stalin
    In Australia:

    "Under new laws, Australians who download and store the STL files for 3D printed guns can be prosecuted and sentenced to a massive jail term."

    "The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years in prison [NSW]"

    https://all3dp.com/3d-printed-guns-australia-prison/

    In the UK: "Weapons as Political Protest: P. A. Luty's Submachine gun."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

    In the USA:

    Make your own AR-15, AR-10, Glock-style pistols at home from 80% lower frames:

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    Remember, as the girl said at the end of John Milius' "Red Dawn" (1984):

    "Free."

    As everybody tells the kid in “Christmas Story:”

    “You’re going to put your eye out.”

    • Replies: @newrouter
    Engineering as this point. How many were injured/killed cranking their autos 100 years ago?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    Funny, I haven't recognized a pattern of that.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    I wonder if Gatling, Browning, Smith, Wesson, Hunt, Henry, Colt, Sturm, Ruger, Remington, or hell even Kalashnikov ever shot their eyes out???
  32. The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues. This isn’t just a leftist disease, though – looking back at pro-gun publications like “More Guns, Less Crime,” the same deficiencies are also present. In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state’s murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:

    As you might expect, that’s almost entirely due to the spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. St. Louis in particular had 205 murders in 2017 for 308,000 people, or a rate of 66.56 per 100,000, similar to some actual warzones. Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it’s impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how “gun control is racist,” as though control measures emerged ex nihilo from the pure racial meanness of white people’s hearts, with no underlying relation to reality or practicality.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it’s impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    Well maybe you could explain just how you would get that message out without being denounced as a racist NAZI? Do you really think nobody at the NRA is aware of these statistics. They are already hated by the media, all they need to do is bring race into the conversation.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Ah, an artfully written anti-gun article.

    " In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state’s murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:"

    So tell us exactly what part of firearms laws that were relaxed led directly to the "spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. "

    It's your contention, so show us the cause-and-effect.

    "Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster" is an interesting contention. After Illinois finally got it's LEGAL CCW laws, we have actual news reports of CCW holders successfully killing criminals. If it were up to me, I would go for Constitutional Carry i.e. permitless. Killing Black criminals by Black CCW holder is alright with me.

    " Sentimentalist propaganda" about "“gun control is racist" is funny, I must say. I see plenty of Blacks and Jews attacking gun ownership through direct observation through the decades, and Jews even admit to this.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/02/17/jews-and-jewish-organizations-lead-the-gun-control-campaign/
    , @Anonymous

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how “gun control is racist,”
     
    The NRA was originally founded to prevent disarmament of black freedmen after the Civil War. Their position is consistent.
    , @Brutusale
    OK. Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn't?
    , @notanon

    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues.
     
    that "national incapacity" is caused by the lying media refusing to tell the truth and preventing other people from doing so.

    the problem is genetic - impulsive, low empathy people are more likely to kill.

    the solution is simple - people with those traits display them from an early age so instead of leniency for juveniles do the opposite and get them locked up young so they don't breed - problem would disappear within a few generations.
  33. @Steve Sailer
    Personally, I'm not going to hold up in front of my face a gun I made out of grey goo on a 3-d printer.

    How Metal 3D Printing Works

  34. CCZ says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Personally, I'm not going to hold up in front of my face a gun I made out of grey goo on a 3-d printer.

    But it will eventually affect the gun control debate and high stress metals “printing” is on the way.

    https://www.amazingpal.tv/military/3d-printed-metal-gun-500-round-endurance-testt/

    “For the first time, 3D printing technology has been used to make a metal working copy of the 1911 Browning automatic pistol, the legendary Colt 45.”

    “Most 3D printers work by spraying layers of plastic or a similar material together to create an object. Solid Concepts’ DMLS uses lasers to melt metal powder and create specific shapes. “The whole concept of using a laser sintering process to 3D print a metal gun revolves around proving the reliability, accuracy and usability of 3D Metal Printing as functional prototypes and end use products,” Solid Concepts Vice President Kent Firestone said.”

    “The idea is to show that 3D printing can be made to make more than just “plastic Yoda heads,” Parkinson wrote. The company wants to get around the misconception that 3D printing can only be used to create things from plastic.”

    “Currently this is an industrial process but in the future the machines used could get cheap and small enough for small business or home house. A good way to think of the DMLS is as a machine shop in a box.”
    [Sources: 3dPrint.com and offthegridnews.com]

    https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/3d-printed_guns_have_nj_officials_freaked_out.html

    “On Thursday, New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal sent a cease-and-desist letter to Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson demanding the group refrain from “publishing printable-gun computer files for use by New Jersey residents.” The letter threatens unspecified “legal action” if the gun designs are made public.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There are 300 million existing guns in America. It's not like you couldn't possibly get your hands on one if you really wanted to.
  35. @Steve Sailer
    Personally, I'm not going to hold up in front of my face a gun I made out of grey goo on a 3-d printer.

    Grey goo? Okay, how about Metal Gear Solid:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_laser_melting

    Expensive now, cheaper later.

  36. @Steve Sailer
    As everybody tells the kid in "Christmas Story:"

    "You're going to put your eye out."

    Engineering as this point. How many were injured/killed cranking their autos 100 years ago?

  37. @CCZ
    But it will eventually affect the gun control debate and high stress metals “printing” is on the way.

    https://www.amazingpal.tv/military/3d-printed-metal-gun-500-round-endurance-testt/

    “For the first time, 3D printing technology has been used to make a metal working copy of the 1911 Browning automatic pistol, the legendary Colt 45.”

    "Most 3D printers work by spraying layers of plastic or a similar material together to create an object. Solid Concepts’ DMLS uses lasers to melt metal powder and create specific shapes. “The whole concept of using a laser sintering process to 3D print a metal gun revolves around proving the reliability, accuracy and usability of 3D Metal Printing as functional prototypes and end use products,” Solid Concepts Vice President Kent Firestone said."

    "The idea is to show that 3D printing can be made to make more than just “plastic Yoda heads,” Parkinson wrote. The company wants to get around the misconception that 3D printing can only be used to create things from plastic."

    "Currently this is an industrial process but in the future the machines used could get cheap and small enough for small business or home house. A good way to think of the DMLS is as a machine shop in a box.”
    [Sources: 3dPrint.com and offthegridnews.com]
     
    https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/3d-printed_guns_have_nj_officials_freaked_out.html

    “On Thursday, New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal sent a cease-and-desist letter to Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson demanding the group refrain from "publishing printable-gun computer files for use by New Jersey residents." The letter threatens unspecified "legal action" if the gun designs are made public.”

    There are 300 million existing guns in America. It’s not like you couldn’t possibly get your hands on one if you really wanted to.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I can kinda understand the view of that Pauline(?) something or other that was extremely miffed about Richard Nixon winning the election.

    "I don't know HOW any of these gun control laws passed. No one I know DOESN'T have a gun!"
    , @Mr. Rational
    I've seen estimates in excess of 600 million, based on production figures.

    Guns tend not to wear out terribly fast.
    , @CCZ
    But 3d printed guns, whether metal or another material, will be good for political theater.

    Senate minority leader Schumer spoke about 3D-printed firearms following a Justice Department settlement that will permit firearm schematics to be more readily shared online. “America is going to get a lot less safe." Schumer claimed that such firearms “are not only scary, they’re outright dangerous in the way they can mimic the look and the capacity of a hardened, fully semiautomatic [sic] weapon.” A day later, Michael Bloomberg front-group Moms Demand Action re-posted Schumer’s comments on their twitter feed.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/chuck-schumer-3d-printed-guns-open-door-to-fully-semiautomatic-weapon/

  38. @Joe Stalin
    In Australia:

    "Under new laws, Australians who download and store the STL files for 3D printed guns can be prosecuted and sentenced to a massive jail term."

    "The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years in prison [NSW]"

    https://all3dp.com/3d-printed-guns-australia-prison/

    In the UK: "Weapons as Political Protest: P. A. Luty's Submachine gun."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

    In the USA:

    Make your own AR-15, AR-10, Glock-style pistols at home from 80% lower frames:

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    Remember, as the girl said at the end of John Milius' "Red Dawn" (1984):

    "Free."

    I am really disappointed in Australia. It should be a much more free, masculine country. I’m pretty sure it used to be. What the hell happened?

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    dunno, women got the vote?
  39. @Steve Sailer
    As everybody tells the kid in "Christmas Story:"

    "You're going to put your eye out."

    Funny, I haven’t recognized a pattern of that.

  40. @Steve Sailer
    As everybody tells the kid in "Christmas Story:"

    "You're going to put your eye out."

    I wonder if Gatling, Browning, Smith, Wesson, Hunt, Henry, Colt, Sturm, Ruger, Remington, or hell even Kalashnikov ever shot their eyes out???

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    About the only gun designer I know that "put an eye out" was Paul Mauser testing a rifle.
  41. Ah, Sailer’s Butterknife makes an appearance.

  42. @Joe Stalin
    Having been put into a similar situation by a gang of Black "utes," rest assured that anyone that puts you on the ground (What if he hit his head and died? I've known two people to succumb to to falls.) has surely assaulted you with criminal intent. Your first reaction is: "Oh f****, I'm in deep s**** now. What's he going to do to me now?"

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should, something I as an Illinois resident could NOT do at the time.

    And I intend to take that to any jury trial if it comes up.

    Future time orientation and impulse control would have helped this situation. The man on the ground wanted to win an argument with someone not worth arguing with. The Amish are notorious for losing their temper and reacting violently to criticism.

    Having said all that, once on the ground the shooter had the right to defend himself. You should have read my entire comment.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    I'm not so sure about that; Mas Ayoob talks about your perceptions vis-a-vis firearms combat are significantly altered when you are in a fight-or-flight mode:

    “At the onset of the confrontation, for example, it is common for the person to experience tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, alterations in perceived time, and the loss of fine motor control, among others. In the time frame following the encounter, it is unsurprising to observe symptoms associated with the altered state of consciousness produced by the encounter with death, including memory impairment, dissociative symptoms, and disruption to basic biological functions such as eating, sleeping, and sexual behavior. At points further along the temporal dimension from the shooting, flashbacks, social withdrawal and isolation, avoidance, and hypervigilance may well occur. (This listing of symptoms is not exhaustive.)”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    “People think their memory is better than it is in part because they are rarely challenged on its accuracy. Major memory gaps, inaccurate details, and false memories are common in everyday life, and can become worse during stressful situations (Sapolsky, 2004).”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    "For instance, we must cultivate within ourselves the ability to work within the rational mind and not give in to the panic associated with the emotional mind. We do this by placing ourselves in stressful situations, learning to accept the pressure, and then learning to perform amidst the stress.”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/879895.Massad_Ayoob?page=2
  43. @Buzz Mohawk
    I am really disappointed in Australia. It should be a much more free, masculine country. I'm pretty sure it used to be. What the hell happened?

    dunno, women got the vote?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    No, that happened over a hundred years ago, even before it did in the United States. Australians are tough and have a great attitude, including the women. Their new laws do not resemble the people themselves.
  44. @Buzz Mohawk
    In case anyone with Asperger's notices, I must confess I forgot, since I mentioned it here recently:

    John Hinckley Jr., next door neighbor of our friends, apparently did shoot President Reagan and others with a handgun in Washington -- but somehow I don't think that counts.

    Yeah, your memory is failing you, like you said. It could not have been Washington, FS where President Reagan was shot with a .22 magnum. That was well before the Heller Supreme Court decision, meaning handguns were completely illegal to own, much less bear in that city at that time.

    Ipso facto, quid quo pro, Clarice, you must be mistaken.

    .
    .

    Haha, am I doing it right, Steve (this snark thing, I mean)?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Now I remember. Gun violence is rare where gun ownership is strictly regulated and frowned upon. It only happens a lot where people are free to own guns with little interference, like all my white neighbors who openly displayed their firearms and never shot anybody.

    This is doubleplusgood doublethink.
  45. From one of your excerpts:

    He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns, going up very rapidly and then coming down very rapidly. …

    Yes, that’s the correlation vector, by George! Both things involve things that go up very rapidly and then come down very rapidly, just like, well, a pop fly, or a tank shell. Those things must be contagious too.

    I know, I know, correlation does not equal causation. That’s why we’ve done those experiments where we’ll put a Glock 9 mm next to a shotgun, for example. Oftentimes the shotgun will become as dangerous as the Glock, like when a thug steals it from our lab and uses it in an armed robbery of our non-profit, unbiased, research company’s cafeteria. (Hey, we have that sign that says “cashiers don’t carry more than $200” but apparently not everyone can read!)

  46. @Steve Sailer
    There are 300 million existing guns in America. It's not like you couldn't possibly get your hands on one if you really wanted to.

    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.

    • Replies: @Thomas

    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.
     
    I'm going to predict that the ability to make a quality barrel fit for serious target shooting is going to be a ways down the road before it gets to the consumer printing level. Anyone who is that serious as both a shooter and a gunsmith probably doesn't need to 3D print a barrel.
  47. @James Speaks
    Future time orientation and impulse control would have helped this situation. The man on the ground wanted to win an argument with someone not worth arguing with. The Amish are notorious for losing their temper and reacting violently to criticism.

    Having said all that, once on the ground the shooter had the right to defend himself. You should have read my entire comment.

    I’m not so sure about that; Mas Ayoob talks about your perceptions vis-a-vis firearms combat are significantly altered when you are in a fight-or-flight mode:

    “At the onset of the confrontation, for example, it is common for the person to experience tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, alterations in perceived time, and the loss of fine motor control, among others. In the time frame following the encounter, it is unsurprising to observe symptoms associated with the altered state of consciousness produced by the encounter with death, including memory impairment, dissociative symptoms, and disruption to basic biological functions such as eating, sleeping, and sexual behavior. At points further along the temporal dimension from the shooting, flashbacks, social withdrawal and isolation, avoidance, and hypervigilance may well occur. (This listing of symptoms is not exhaustive.)”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    “People think their memory is better than it is in part because they are rarely challenged on its accuracy. Major memory gaps, inaccurate details, and false memories are common in everyday life, and can become worse during stressful situations (Sapolsky, 2004).”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    “For instance, we must cultivate within ourselves the ability to work within the rational mind and not give in to the panic associated with the emotional mind. We do this by placing ourselves in stressful situations, learning to accept the pressure, and then learning to perform amidst the stress.”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/879895.Massad_Ayoob?page=2

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.


    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?
  48. @Joe Stalin
    In Australia:

    "Under new laws, Australians who download and store the STL files for 3D printed guns can be prosecuted and sentenced to a massive jail term."

    "The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years in prison [NSW]"

    https://all3dp.com/3d-printed-guns-australia-prison/

    In the UK: "Weapons as Political Protest: P. A. Luty's Submachine gun."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

    In the USA:

    Make your own AR-15, AR-10, Glock-style pistols at home from 80% lower frames:

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    Remember, as the girl said at the end of John Milius' "Red Dawn" (1984):

    "Free."

    About 20 years ago there was a huge interest in rebuilding old Sten submachine guns, we had a similar gun called the grease gun. It was basically a tube with a few components strategically attached. You could buy demilled (made useless according to ATF rules) Sten kits for nothing at gun shows everywhere.

    All you needed was a metal tube the right diameter and thickness, use the supplied template to cut out the holes in the right places, grind off the barrel nut from old receiver in the kit and weld it onto the tube, and finally assemble all the parts from the kit onto your new receiver.

    That clown Yaroslavsky used the BS in the LA times about all the “machine guns” (these kits) being sold at the gun show at the LA County Fairgrounds to shut it down.

    They were also selling sheet metal plates that could be bent and drilled out to make an AKM receiver. You also bought a demilled AKM kit for that.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    I do recall those Sten SMG kits (Mk. 2) being sold. Decades ago on CBS "60 Minutes" they were interviewing Sam Cummings of Interarms and they were showing his warehouses that had huge stacks of Stenguns. On the internet there are full construction prints for the Mk. 2 so in theory you could go all WW II and make them from scratch. I think the end came when they started running low on the parts kits and BATF stopped the import of the barrels because they weren't "sporting." Then they starting importing some Mk. 3 Sten kits, but apparently they weren't popular as they were literally designed as a last ditch throw-away weapon.

    There are semi-auto versions available:

    http://www.valkyriearms.com/sten.html

    https://www.indianapolisordnance.com/sten_mk3.html

    I believe the BATF said possession of the metal receiver tube and parts kit MIGHT be construed as constructive possession of a Class 3 machinegun so BEWARE if you have both.

    Then of course there were the "drop-in" AR-15 auto-sears from the same time era.
    , @Anonymous
    The famous MAC M-10 and M-11 machine pistols are constructed out of steel sheet bent up on a plate brake. Plans are readily available. A brake and a drill press are all you really need.
  49. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues. This isn't just a leftist disease, though - looking back at pro-gun publications like "More Guns, Less Crime," the same deficiencies are also present. In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state's murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:

    https://i.imgur.com/03bjPkj.png

    As you might expect, that's almost entirely due to the spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. St. Louis in particular had 205 murders in 2017 for 308,000 people, or a rate of 66.56 per 100,000, similar to some actual warzones. Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it's impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how "gun control is racist," as though control measures emerged ex nihilo from the pure racial meanness of white people's hearts, with no underlying relation to reality or practicality.

    Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it’s impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    Well maybe you could explain just how you would get that message out without being denounced as a racist NAZI? Do you really think nobody at the NRA is aware of these statistics. They are already hated by the media, all they need to do is bring race into the conversation.

  50. @Joe Schmoe
    dunno, women got the vote?

    No, that happened over a hundred years ago, even before it did in the United States. Australians are tough and have a great attitude, including the women. Their new laws do not resemble the people themselves.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    We had a mass shooting in 1996.

    Some retard got access to a gun, went to a tourist site and started blasting away.

    That created a monster of an availability cascade pushed by the cultural marxists and the tabloid press to disarm the population.

    The cuckservatives in power rolled over. Hoi polloi in the cities, especially women, couldn't see why anyone should have a gun. There were no votes in standing on principle, the traffic was almost all one way. We've long been a high trust society: over time this dulls one's survival instincts and understanding of human nature.

    Now only the 'roided-up middle eastern crime gangs have guns. Luckily for us they usually fire them at each other, to settle petty squabbles over drugs, women, 'respect', etc.

    Chalk up another victory for the collectivist juggernaut.
  51. @Joe Stalin
    I'm not so sure about that; Mas Ayoob talks about your perceptions vis-a-vis firearms combat are significantly altered when you are in a fight-or-flight mode:

    “At the onset of the confrontation, for example, it is common for the person to experience tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, alterations in perceived time, and the loss of fine motor control, among others. In the time frame following the encounter, it is unsurprising to observe symptoms associated with the altered state of consciousness produced by the encounter with death, including memory impairment, dissociative symptoms, and disruption to basic biological functions such as eating, sleeping, and sexual behavior. At points further along the temporal dimension from the shooting, flashbacks, social withdrawal and isolation, avoidance, and hypervigilance may well occur. (This listing of symptoms is not exhaustive.)”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    “People think their memory is better than it is in part because they are rarely challenged on its accuracy. Major memory gaps, inaccurate details, and false memories are common in everyday life, and can become worse during stressful situations (Sapolsky, 2004).”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    "For instance, we must cultivate within ourselves the ability to work within the rational mind and not give in to the panic associated with the emotional mind. We do this by placing ourselves in stressful situations, learning to accept the pressure, and then learning to perform amidst the stress.”
    ― Massad Ayoob, Straight Talk on Armed Defense: What the Experts Want You to Know

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/879895.Massad_Ayoob?page=2

    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.

    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    I understand. The guy should have kept his mouth shut and ignored the infraction of the woman parking in the handicapped space.

    No problem. I would do exactly that.
    , @JMcG
    Here’s a better analogy. You’re walking down the street and you see an elderly woman trapped in her car by a rabid pit bull who is refusing to let her get out of her vehicle. You stop to remonstrate with the pit bull. The pit bull’s mate sees you remonstrating and runs over and knocks you to the ground. You shoot the second pit bull and kill him.
    The world has one less pit bull.
    The elderly lady can move around freely once more.
    The first pit bull might not go around trapping elderly ladies in their cars so much any more.
    Win. Win. Win.
    , @Anon
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Good advice. And, whether armed or unarmed, avoid stupid people, stupid places, and stupid things.

    Mas Ayoob recognizes and warns that convenience store parking lots can be risky and dangerous.
    , @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb4s4sAncNc&vl=en
    , @Romanian
    Bad example. Rabid dogs should be prioritized for elimination. Someone who kills one is doing the community a service.

    I, too, am a firm believer in minding my own business, but you see in many countries where that leads you when almost all of the population is essentially passive.
  52. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues. This isn't just a leftist disease, though - looking back at pro-gun publications like "More Guns, Less Crime," the same deficiencies are also present. In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state's murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:

    https://i.imgur.com/03bjPkj.png

    As you might expect, that's almost entirely due to the spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. St. Louis in particular had 205 murders in 2017 for 308,000 people, or a rate of 66.56 per 100,000, similar to some actual warzones. Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it's impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how "gun control is racist," as though control measures emerged ex nihilo from the pure racial meanness of white people's hearts, with no underlying relation to reality or practicality.

    Ah, an artfully written anti-gun article.

    ” In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state’s murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:”

    So tell us exactly what part of firearms laws that were relaxed led directly to the “spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. ”

    It’s your contention, so show us the cause-and-effect.

    “Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster” is an interesting contention. After Illinois finally got it’s LEGAL CCW laws, we have actual news reports of CCW holders successfully killing criminals. If it were up to me, I would go for Constitutional Carry i.e. permitless. Killing Black criminals by Black CCW holder is alright with me.

    ” Sentimentalist propaganda” about ““gun control is racist” is funny, I must say. I see plenty of Blacks and Jews attacking gun ownership through direct observation through the decades, and Jews even admit to this.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/02/17/jews-and-jewish-organizations-lead-the-gun-control-campaign/

  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, your memory is failing you, like you said. It could not have been Washington, FS where President Reagan was shot with a .22 magnum. That was well before the Heller Supreme Court decision, meaning handguns were completely illegal to own, much less bear in that city at that time.

    Ipso facto, quid quo pro, Clarice, you must be mistaken.

    .
    .

    Haha, am I doing it right, Steve (this snark thing, I mean)?

    Now I remember. Gun violence is rare where gun ownership is strictly regulated and frowned upon. It only happens a lot where people are free to own guns with little interference, like all my white neighbors who openly displayed their firearms and never shot anybody.

    This is doubleplusgood doublethink.

  54. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I wonder if Gatling, Browning, Smith, Wesson, Hunt, Henry, Colt, Sturm, Ruger, Remington, or hell even Kalashnikov ever shot their eyes out???

    About the only gun designer I know that “put an eye out” was Paul Mauser testing a rifle.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    That I didn't know. Was it his own?
  55. @Steve Sailer
    There are 300 million existing guns in America. It's not like you couldn't possibly get your hands on one if you really wanted to.

    I can kinda understand the view of that Pauline(?) something or other that was extremely miffed about Richard Nixon winning the election.

    “I don’t know HOW any of these gun control laws passed. No one I know DOESN’T have a gun!”

    • Replies: @Corn
    I think that’s how some rural/small town folk think. Hell where I live about every house with an adult male resident has at least one gun tucked away somewhere.
    , @Forbes
    Pauline Kael, yes.
  56. @It's All Ball Bearings
    With Tiny Duck's logic, the handguns prefer POC. Handguns should be celebrated for their wokeness.

    Yes, but also according to Tiny D*ck’s logic, pretty soon handguns will be sleeping with our white women. (Those white women who don’t already have one in the bedside drawer, next to other tools…)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Isn't that whiskey's logic?

    Meanwhile

    gun homicides increased 31%, from 11,008 shooting deaths in 2014 to 14,415 in 2016.
     
    Imagine if that happened during Trump's presidency.
  57. @James Speaks
    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.


    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?

    I understand. The guy should have kept his mouth shut and ignored the infraction of the woman parking in the handicapped space.

    No problem. I would do exactly that.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    We agree. I think we both would also agree, if for instance, the guy walked past the parking infraction, muttered something under his breath, and Ms. Dindonuttin blew a fuse, and then Mrs. Protect his women threw the man to the ground, that he was justified in defending himself.

    You posted information about perceptions, etc. when under attack. I see the video differently. I see the ultimate victim taking a swaggering step towards the shooter on the ground. That plus the throw-down makes him the perp in my eyes. The fact he backed up for an instant when he saw the gun tells me nothing about what he would have done next.
  58. Steve you are reliably wrong on guns. As wrong as on James Gunn, and for the same reason — cultural blindspot and cultural affiliation with GoodWhites. Want to know why half of White America HATE HATE HATES BadWhites? It is that same view that BadWhites who were not lucky enough to live in a good neighborhood should be denied the right of self-defense.

    Guess What Steve? You might not be interested in bad neighborhoods but they are interested in you. Given Open Borders, no ability or will to close them, and about 6 billion people wanting to move to Southern California and be in movies, you will have people as neighbors that even tribal Afghanis will be afraid of. And the police do NOT exist to protect you. That’s not their job. The job of the police is to protect CRIMINALS. So they can ply their trade without angry people retaliating against them. As James LaFond “the Violence Guy” said on the Two Kevins podcast, the police exist in Baltimore to prevent citizens from killing the criminals.

    There is a reason for the Second Amendment, and it being the second most important amendment. All those Founding Fathers were not dullards and nincompoops. They understood Anarcho-Tyranny and remembered the stories about Bacon’s Rebellion: how Governor Berkeley and his cronies bought up all of East Virginia, and forbad the Colonists from owning weapons, fighting back against Indians, and armed the Indians. All so that the Indians could massacre with regularity settlers in the West forcing them back EAST to be essentially serfs of the Berkeley cronies. It got so bad that much of the Colony was in revolt and Blacks free and slave alike allied with Whites to fight Berkeley. Who hanged so many he had to be recalled finally and his policy ended.

    Black criminals are the Indians in the modern day Anarcho Tyranny. They cleanse poorer Whites out of their homes, and the last thing the FIRE interests, GoodWhites, and the whole of NGOistan and Government wants is ordinary people able to defend themselves from a home invasion or being dragged out of their truck Reginald Denny style. They WANT Blacks as the unstoppable beat-down of uppity Whites who could be a competitive threat to their kids and negate the endless real estate churn that modern American finance is built upon and make Black men eschew violence as a mating fitness signal. THAT is not popular at all among our rulers.

    You either believe that only certain privileged Whites who are lucky enough (for now) to live in good neighborhoods or have enough money to hire armed off duty cops like Hollywood actresses have the right to security and defense — which makes you no different than Matthew Yglesias, or Hillary Clinton, or you believe that all American Citizens regardless of how lucky they were in birth or circumstances have the innate right to self-defense. That includes owning and carrying firearms.

    Again there is a reason its the SECOND Amendment. It is that important.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @JMcG
    Whiskey, I don’t always agree with you. But you hit the nail on the head as squarely as it’s possible to hit a nail with this comment.
  59. @Anon
    Blacks don't have agency. They have divinity.

    Blacks don’t have agency. They have divinity.

    The textbook example of negrolatry.

  60. @Joe Stalin
    Frankly, I am tired of hearing about "Gun Violence" the the Chicago news media. I would prefer a more honest descriptive, like: "Felonious Black Gun Fire."

    And remember, for anyone to LEGALLY purchase a firearm in the People's Republic of Illinois, you have to submit to the Illinois State Police a request to obtain an Firearm's Owner ID card. Normally, that would take you at least a MONTH. And then, you have to go to your gun shop, and tell them you want to purchase a gun. Can you finally have your gun NOW? NO! Under our RINO Republican Gov. Rauner, we must now wait 3 days to purchase a longgun or handgun. After three days, you can finally pick your gun. But wait, now you have to pay for an FBI "Instant Check" before you can do that.

    And if you are in Cook County or Chicago, we have bans on standard-capacity magazines (Chi-Town-15rds), Assault Weapons bans, and a special Preckwinkle smallarms ammunition tax per round.

    I am tired of hearing about “Gun Violence”

    There is a poster at SBPDL who has had an on-going satire series about the search for Gunnar “Gunn” Violenz.  There haven’t been any posts lately, but if you search the history I’m sure what’s there will give you a chuckle or two.  I hope he’s inspired to bring the story to a conclusion.

  61. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Put another way—compared statistically to the rest of the population, are blacks (either as violent perpetrators or procreation vectors thereof) a public health problem? And should the CDC advocate the restriction and numeric reduction of blacks in American society?

    That will definitely happen when the Chinese take over America.

  62. @Joe Stalin
    About the only gun designer I know that "put an eye out" was Paul Mauser testing a rifle.

    That I didn’t know. Was it his own?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    "The history of the Mauser semi-automatic rifles begins under questionable circumstances. The line of rifles began in 1897 with Paul Mauser’s development of the Mauser 1898 Recoil-Operated Rifle. This original rifle operated by the means of short recoil, where the breech block is cycled by means of a partially-traversing barrel. Interestingly, this original rifle had a provision that was to allow for “slow fire” manual firing whereby on the rearward movement of the breech block, it would snag a latch that would need to be depressed for the bolt to be allowed to travel back toward the barrel and strip a new round from the magazine. This provision was considered as a way to prevent the waste of ammunition, and the self-loading feature was only to be used in an emergency that required a high rate of fire. Unfortunately for Paul Mauser, the rifle provided an emergency of its own and, during testing of the rifle, a malfunction cost Paul Mauser one of his eyes."

    https://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/mauser-selbstlader/
  63. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Put another way—compared statistically to the rest of the population, are blacks (either as violent perpetrators or procreation vectors thereof) a public health problem? And should the CDC advocate the restriction and numeric reduction of blacks in American society?

    Indeed.  If gun violence is as much of a disease as syphilis or HIV, Blacks are its prime vector and the CDC’s proposals should be aimed at containing and eliminating them.

    But they’re aimed at the people who propagate neither “disease”.  Funny, that.

  64. @Steve Sailer
    There are 300 million existing guns in America. It's not like you couldn't possibly get your hands on one if you really wanted to.

    I’ve seen estimates in excess of 600 million, based on production figures.

    Guns tend not to wear out terribly fast.

  65. @MarkinLA
    About 20 years ago there was a huge interest in rebuilding old Sten submachine guns, we had a similar gun called the grease gun. It was basically a tube with a few components strategically attached. You could buy demilled (made useless according to ATF rules) Sten kits for nothing at gun shows everywhere.

    All you needed was a metal tube the right diameter and thickness, use the supplied template to cut out the holes in the right places, grind off the barrel nut from old receiver in the kit and weld it onto the tube, and finally assemble all the parts from the kit onto your new receiver.

    That clown Yaroslavsky used the BS in the LA times about all the "machine guns" (these kits) being sold at the gun show at the LA County Fairgrounds to shut it down.

    They were also selling sheet metal plates that could be bent and drilled out to make an AKM receiver. You also bought a demilled AKM kit for that.

    I do recall those Sten SMG kits (Mk. 2) being sold. Decades ago on CBS “60 Minutes” they were interviewing Sam Cummings of Interarms and they were showing his warehouses that had huge stacks of Stenguns. On the internet there are full construction prints for the Mk. 2 so in theory you could go all WW II and make them from scratch. I think the end came when they started running low on the parts kits and BATF stopped the import of the barrels because they weren’t “sporting.” Then they starting importing some Mk. 3 Sten kits, but apparently they weren’t popular as they were literally designed as a last ditch throw-away weapon.

    There are semi-auto versions available:

    http://www.valkyriearms.com/sten.html

    https://www.indianapolisordnance.com/sten_mk3.html

    I believe the BATF said possession of the metal receiver tube and parts kit MIGHT be construed as constructive possession of a Class 3 machinegun so BEWARE if you have both.

    Then of course there were the “drop-in” AR-15 auto-sears from the same time era.

  66. @James Speaks
    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.


    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?

    Here’s a better analogy. You’re walking down the street and you see an elderly woman trapped in her car by a rabid pit bull who is refusing to let her get out of her vehicle. You stop to remonstrate with the pit bull. The pit bull’s mate sees you remonstrating and runs over and knocks you to the ground. You shoot the second pit bull and kill him.
    The world has one less pit bull.
    The elderly lady can move around freely once more.
    The first pit bull might not go around trapping elderly ladies in their cars so much any more.
    Win. Win. Win.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    Analogy fails. No one was trapped.
  67. @Steve Sailer
    Personally, I'm not going to hold up in front of my face a gun I made out of grey goo on a 3-d printer.

    How about composite plastic?

  68. @Whiskey
    Steve you are reliably wrong on guns. As wrong as on James Gunn, and for the same reason -- cultural blindspot and cultural affiliation with GoodWhites. Want to know why half of White America HATE HATE HATES BadWhites? It is that same view that BadWhites who were not lucky enough to live in a good neighborhood should be denied the right of self-defense.

    Guess What Steve? You might not be interested in bad neighborhoods but they are interested in you. Given Open Borders, no ability or will to close them, and about 6 billion people wanting to move to Southern California and be in movies, you will have people as neighbors that even tribal Afghanis will be afraid of. And the police do NOT exist to protect you. That's not their job. The job of the police is to protect CRIMINALS. So they can ply their trade without angry people retaliating against them. As James LaFond "the Violence Guy" said on the Two Kevins podcast, the police exist in Baltimore to prevent citizens from killing the criminals.

    There is a reason for the Second Amendment, and it being the second most important amendment. All those Founding Fathers were not dullards and nincompoops. They understood Anarcho-Tyranny and remembered the stories about Bacon's Rebellion: how Governor Berkeley and his cronies bought up all of East Virginia, and forbad the Colonists from owning weapons, fighting back against Indians, and armed the Indians. All so that the Indians could massacre with regularity settlers in the West forcing them back EAST to be essentially serfs of the Berkeley cronies. It got so bad that much of the Colony was in revolt and Blacks free and slave alike allied with Whites to fight Berkeley. Who hanged so many he had to be recalled finally and his policy ended.

    Black criminals are the Indians in the modern day Anarcho Tyranny. They cleanse poorer Whites out of their homes, and the last thing the FIRE interests, GoodWhites, and the whole of NGOistan and Government wants is ordinary people able to defend themselves from a home invasion or being dragged out of their truck Reginald Denny style. They WANT Blacks as the unstoppable beat-down of uppity Whites who could be a competitive threat to their kids and negate the endless real estate churn that modern American finance is built upon and make Black men eschew violence as a mating fitness signal. THAT is not popular at all among our rulers.

    You either believe that only certain privileged Whites who are lucky enough (for now) to live in good neighborhoods or have enough money to hire armed off duty cops like Hollywood actresses have the right to security and defense -- which makes you no different than Matthew Yglesias, or Hillary Clinton, or you believe that all American Citizens regardless of how lucky they were in birth or circumstances have the innate right to self-defense. That includes owning and carrying firearms.

    Again there is a reason its the SECOND Amendment. It is that important.

    Whiskey, I don’t always agree with you. But you hit the nail on the head as squarely as it’s possible to hit a nail with this comment.

  69. eah says:

    Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis

    Oh ffs man.

    100% of all St. Louis murder suspects for 2017 are black

    As of September 12th, 2017, there have been 144 murders this year. Of the victims, 135 are black, 8 are white, and one is Latino. Police have identified 96 suspects so far. All 96 are black.

    So 100% of identified suspects and 94% of victims in St Louis are black — surely the same is true in Chicago and Baltimore; large parts of both are ‘shithole swaths’, just like St Louis.

    Why do you persist with this SJW-ish virtue signaling about ghetto Blacks killing each other?

    There were 188 murders in 2015 and another 188 murders in 2016. This gives St. Louis a jaw-dropping murder rate of 60.5 for those two years. 2017 is currently on track to meet or exceed that rate…However, St. Louis had an almost unbelievable murder rate of 69 back in 1993.

    There was no ‘Ferguson Effect’ in 1993, right? What will be the excuse reason for the next inevitable spike?

    Knock it off already.

  70. @Joe Stalin
    I understand. The guy should have kept his mouth shut and ignored the infraction of the woman parking in the handicapped space.

    No problem. I would do exactly that.

    We agree. I think we both would also agree, if for instance, the guy walked past the parking infraction, muttered something under his breath, and Ms. Dindonuttin blew a fuse, and then Mrs. Protect his women threw the man to the ground, that he was justified in defending himself.

    You posted information about perceptions, etc. when under attack. I see the video differently. I see the ultimate victim taking a swaggering step towards the shooter on the ground. That plus the throw-down makes him the perp in my eyes. The fact he backed up for an instant when he saw the gun tells me nothing about what he would have done next.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  71. @James Speaks

    “The available data suggests that as we make it easier and easier for more and more civilians to carry guns wherever they want, we end up with more homicides and other firearm-related crimes,” Webster said. He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns, going up very rapidly and then coming down very rapidly. …
     
    Only in some groups of people (but we're all the same!) does increased gun ownership correlate to more gun violence. In other groups, increased gun ownership reduces crime overall. There must be some way to distinguish between these groups of people.

    Although the majority of people who carry guns may be “perfectly safe and law-abiding people,” there’s always a “subset” who are not, Webster said: “Where there are more guns, more people get shot by them.”
     
    I guess, since I live among people who own firearms but do not commit violence, I must accept gun confiscation and a higher crime rate b/c other groups of people lack impulse control, and do things like throw a smaller and older man to the ground and advance on him for the unspeakable crime of yelling at his woman. I guess the older man should have taken the beating which was due him for that crime. Yes, this makes for a better society.

    Actoss the street from the habib store where the shooting occurred is a large gun store for what it’s worth.

  72. Guns and violence both have moral agency. Murderers in St. Louis, Baltimore and Chicago, of course, do not.

    This is similar to the “invader” argument for legal abortion. The fetus is a non-person who has agency, while the mother is a person who lacks it. She had nothing to do with that brat being in there.

  73. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA
    About 20 years ago there was a huge interest in rebuilding old Sten submachine guns, we had a similar gun called the grease gun. It was basically a tube with a few components strategically attached. You could buy demilled (made useless according to ATF rules) Sten kits for nothing at gun shows everywhere.

    All you needed was a metal tube the right diameter and thickness, use the supplied template to cut out the holes in the right places, grind off the barrel nut from old receiver in the kit and weld it onto the tube, and finally assemble all the parts from the kit onto your new receiver.

    That clown Yaroslavsky used the BS in the LA times about all the "machine guns" (these kits) being sold at the gun show at the LA County Fairgrounds to shut it down.

    They were also selling sheet metal plates that could be bent and drilled out to make an AKM receiver. You also bought a demilled AKM kit for that.

    The famous MAC M-10 and M-11 machine pistols are constructed out of steel sheet bent up on a plate brake. Plans are readily available. A brake and a drill press are all you really need.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Guys in Afghanistan make AK-47s.

    So why would you want a gun made in a 3-D printer rather than in a machine tool shop?

    , @Joe Stalin
    In the Roaring '80s, MAC-10 Submachinegun parts kits were sold. A small industry making fully formed and drilled MAC-10 metal frames formed. All you had to do was weld the grip/magazine housing to the metal frame.

    BATF frowned upon this and declared these frames to be firearms.

    Industry then sold the MAC-10 frames sans the drilled holes for the internal parts.

    BATF frowned upon this.

    Industry then sold sheets of metal pre-cut so you could weld the parts together to form a frame.

    That didn't appear popular and the MAC-10/11 frame industry died.
  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    No, that happened over a hundred years ago, even before it did in the United States. Australians are tough and have a great attitude, including the women. Their new laws do not resemble the people themselves.

    We had a mass shooting in 1996.

    Some retard got access to a gun, went to a tourist site and started blasting away.

    That created a monster of an availability cascade pushed by the cultural marxists and the tabloid press to disarm the population.

    The cuckservatives in power rolled over. Hoi polloi in the cities, especially women, couldn’t see why anyone should have a gun. There were no votes in standing on principle, the traffic was almost all one way. We’ve long been a high trust society: over time this dulls one’s survival instincts and understanding of human nature.

    Now only the ‘roided-up middle eastern crime gangs have guns. Luckily for us they usually fire them at each other, to settle petty squabbles over drugs, women, ‘respect’, etc.

    Chalk up another victory for the collectivist juggernaut.

  75. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rick Johnsmeyer
    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues. This isn't just a leftist disease, though - looking back at pro-gun publications like "More Guns, Less Crime," the same deficiencies are also present. In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state's murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:

    https://i.imgur.com/03bjPkj.png

    As you might expect, that's almost entirely due to the spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. St. Louis in particular had 205 murders in 2017 for 308,000 people, or a rate of 66.56 per 100,000, similar to some actual warzones. Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it's impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how "gun control is racist," as though control measures emerged ex nihilo from the pure racial meanness of white people's hearts, with no underlying relation to reality or practicality.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how “gun control is racist,”

    The NRA was originally founded to prevent disarmament of black freedmen after the Civil War. Their position is consistent.

  76. @Anonymous
    The famous MAC M-10 and M-11 machine pistols are constructed out of steel sheet bent up on a plate brake. Plans are readily available. A brake and a drill press are all you really need.

    Guys in Afghanistan make AK-47s.

    So why would you want a gun made in a 3-D printer rather than in a machine tool shop?

    • Replies: @Thomas
    I think the hope is that the 3D printed (or CNC-milled) gun will presumably come out closer to spec than something made in the Khyber Pass. Also, AR-pattern rifles are milled (or, potentially, cast), which is a process that lends itself better to small-scale production compared to being stamped out of sheet steel (like the AK).

    People have already 3D printed AR lower receivers that function ok. The bigger issue is going to be when you get to parts that need to be made out of metal and machined to relatively exacting tolerances, like the barrel. A 3D printer that could do that right now would cost somewhere in the six figures.

    , @Anonymous
    Someone who could go over there and set up a legit shop could put these bastards to work making double shotguns they could sell and make a lot more money. Pashtun Purdeys has a certain ring to it....
    , @Romanian
    Decentralization, I guess. A machine shop requires tools and expertise to use them. With the right 3D printer and materials, I could presumably print things off files from the Internet, then follow a tutorial on assembly. The barrier to access is much lower, if you disregard the cost of the device. A Xerox place in every neighborhood is one thing, but a printer in potentially every home is another, even if the quality, volume etc are not the same.
  77. @MarkinLA
    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.

    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.

    I’m going to predict that the ability to make a quality barrel fit for serious target shooting is going to be a ways down the road before it gets to the consumer printing level. Anyone who is that serious as both a shooter and a gunsmith probably doesn’t need to 3D print a barrel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Good barrels are the toughest thing to make and the last thing you want made of sintered or 3D printed metal. However, barrels-blank stock or finished-are not controlled items and can be bought mail order.
    , @MarkinLA
    Barrel fitting takes a lot of time or money. They are at the level of selling DIY barrel fitting kits for 1911s but it take a lot of time unless you want to buy the 3500 dollar custom gun already fitted and the slop removed. Just like factory drilling and tapping guns has removed an expensive job that gunsmiths had when people wanted to put a scope on their gun, if the technology ever gets this far, this is one more job that will disappear.

    The big boost would be in changing twist rates, rifling types, undersized barrels, and things like tapered rifling or a choked barrel with just a software modification.
  78. @Steve Sailer
    Guys in Afghanistan make AK-47s.

    So why would you want a gun made in a 3-D printer rather than in a machine tool shop?

    I think the hope is that the 3D printed (or CNC-milled) gun will presumably come out closer to spec than something made in the Khyber Pass. Also, AR-pattern rifles are milled (or, potentially, cast), which is a process that lends itself better to small-scale production compared to being stamped out of sheet steel (like the AK).

    People have already 3D printed AR lower receivers that function ok. The bigger issue is going to be when you get to parts that need to be made out of metal and machined to relatively exacting tolerances, like the barrel. A 3D printer that could do that right now would cost somewhere in the six figures.

  79. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas

    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.
     
    I'm going to predict that the ability to make a quality barrel fit for serious target shooting is going to be a ways down the road before it gets to the consumer printing level. Anyone who is that serious as both a shooter and a gunsmith probably doesn't need to 3D print a barrel.

    Good barrels are the toughest thing to make and the last thing you want made of sintered or 3D printed metal. However, barrels-blank stock or finished-are not controlled items and can be bought mail order.

    • Replies: @Thomas

    However, barrels-blank stock or finished-are not controlled items and can be bought mail order.
     
    For now. California already has a law teed up to force all gun parts to go through a dealer as well (though at least until they try to take this nationwide, you'll still be able to just go to a gun show or shop in Nevada and get all the uncontrolled parts you want). They already did that with ammunition recently. I know California is the extreme case where gun rights are on life support already, but ideas from there tend to get picked up by Democrats nationwide.

    Right now, the gun control crowd is mostly tearing their hair out over 3D printing (which shows how much their understanding of gun issues relies on sensationalism over substance). I'm not sure though what we can expect in the next few years. The best thing that could happen is Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court makes for a decisive majority that gives us some solid Second Amendment decisions that take most potential gun control proposals off the table.
    , @MarkinLA
    The problem with barrel blanks is you would not have the capability to easily change twist rates and the number of rifling grooves. Yes, the issue of strength is important but a lot of target shooters use lead bullets and very light loads. You can also experiment with things like tapered rifling and choked barrels like they use in air guns.

    The 3D built 1911 did go 500 rounds without a hitch. I assumed they used factory ammo which is much hotter than what the typical Bullseye shooter reloads for.

    There are also problems with barrel blanks in terms of cut-outs required by the gun such as a cut-out for the cylinder rod for S&W pistols. All that machining is not cheap and difficult to do for the average guy. You can always pay somebody but it usually isn't cheap so experimentation is not easy.
  80. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Guys in Afghanistan make AK-47s.

    So why would you want a gun made in a 3-D printer rather than in a machine tool shop?

    Someone who could go over there and set up a legit shop could put these bastards to work making double shotguns they could sell and make a lot more money. Pashtun Purdeys has a certain ring to it….

  81. @Joe Stalin
    Having been put into a similar situation by a gang of Black "utes," rest assured that anyone that puts you on the ground (What if he hit his head and died? I've known two people to succumb to to falls.) has surely assaulted you with criminal intent. Your first reaction is: "Oh f****, I'm in deep s**** now. What's he going to do to me now?"

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should, something I as an Illinois resident could NOT do at the time.

    And I intend to take that to any jury trial if it comes up.

    “If someone puts his hands on you, send ’em to the morgue!” – Malcom X

  82. @James Speaks
    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.


    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?

    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Good advice. And, whether armed or unarmed, avoid stupid people, stupid places, and stupid things.

    Mas Ayoob recognizes and warns that convenience store parking lots can be risky and dangerous.

  83. @Joe Stalin
    Having been put into a similar situation by a gang of Black "utes," rest assured that anyone that puts you on the ground (What if he hit his head and died? I've known two people to succumb to to falls.) has surely assaulted you with criminal intent. Your first reaction is: "Oh f****, I'm in deep s**** now. What's he going to do to me now?"

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should, something I as an Illinois resident could NOT do at the time.

    And I intend to take that to any jury trial if it comes up.

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should

    Agreed. Zero sympathy for the dead guy.

    All too many American blacks these days seem to think it’s their God-given right to park illegally, to get in the 10-items-or-less line at Walmart with a full shopping cart, to ignore any other little rules that they find inconvenient at the moment – and then to assault you, verbally &/or physically, if you object.

    Been there, done that.

    The quicker & the harsher the push-back, the better, I say.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Be happy that you still live in an area where negroes use checkout lanes at all. Where I live they generally just walk out of the store with whatever they want.
  84. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues. This isn't just a leftist disease, though - looking back at pro-gun publications like "More Guns, Less Crime," the same deficiencies are also present. In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state's murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:

    https://i.imgur.com/03bjPkj.png

    As you might expect, that's almost entirely due to the spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. St. Louis in particular had 205 murders in 2017 for 308,000 people, or a rate of 66.56 per 100,000, similar to some actual warzones. Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it's impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how "gun control is racist," as though control measures emerged ex nihilo from the pure racial meanness of white people's hearts, with no underlying relation to reality or practicality.

    OK. Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn’t?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That's called noticing and you'd better stop it before you get into trouble.
    , @Glaivester
    Blacks.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn’t?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d2LLqCF3io

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mypHZmXdU3o

    , @Anon
    Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn’t?

    Vermont is closer to Canada.
  85. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Yes, but also according to Tiny D*ck's logic, pretty soon handguns will be sleeping with our white women. (Those white women who don't already have one in the bedside drawer, next to other tools...)

    Isn’t that whiskey’s logic?

    Meanwhile

    gun homicides increased 31%, from 11,008 shooting deaths in 2014 to 14,415 in 2016.

    Imagine if that happened during Trump’s presidency.

  86. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @vinteuil

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should
     
    Agreed. Zero sympathy for the dead guy.

    All too many American blacks these days seem to think it's their God-given right to park illegally, to get in the 10-items-or-less line at Walmart with a full shopping cart, to ignore any other little rules that they find inconvenient at the moment - and then to assault you, verbally &/or physically, if you object.

    Been there, done that.

    The quicker & the harsher the push-back, the better, I say.

    Be happy that you still live in an area where negroes use checkout lanes at all. Where I live they generally just walk out of the store with whatever they want.

  87. The available data suggests that as we make it easier and easier for more and more civilians to carry guns wherever they want, we end up with more homicides and other firearm-related crimes

    other way round

    urban gang-related violence makes normal people want to own a gun for self-defense

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  88. Anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale
    OK. Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn't?

    That’s called noticing and you’d better stop it before you get into trouble.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  89. @Joe Stalin
    In Australia:

    "Under new laws, Australians who download and store the STL files for 3D printed guns can be prosecuted and sentenced to a massive jail term."

    "The maximum penalty for the offence is 14 years in prison [NSW]"

    https://all3dp.com/3d-printed-guns-australia-prison/

    In the UK: "Weapons as Political Protest: P. A. Luty's Submachine gun."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhGCRIQnCA

    In the USA:

    Make your own AR-15, AR-10, Glock-style pistols at home from 80% lower frames:

    https://www.polymer80.com/

    Remember, as the girl said at the end of John Milius' "Red Dawn" (1984):

    "Free."

    If I remember right Luty spend years in jail, and then died of cancer at a fairly young age.

    P A Luty website has been preserved:
    http://thehomegunsmith.com/index.shtml

  90. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues. This isn't just a leftist disease, though - looking back at pro-gun publications like "More Guns, Less Crime," the same deficiencies are also present. In real life, when Missouri (for example) relaxed its firearms laws a few years ago, the state's murder rate spiked, and is now among the very highest in the nation:

    https://i.imgur.com/03bjPkj.png

    As you might expect, that's almost entirely due to the spectacular rates of murder in Kansas City and (especially) St. Louis. St. Louis in particular had 205 murders in 2017 for 308,000 people, or a rate of 66.56 per 100,000, similar to some actual warzones. Getting more guns into ghetto St. Louis is bound to be a total disaster, but it's impossible even on the right to make such observations, or to explain them.

    If anything, it seems like the NRA is tripling down on sentimentalist propaganda about how "gun control is racist," as though control measures emerged ex nihilo from the pure racial meanness of white people's hearts, with no underlying relation to reality or practicality.

    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues.

    that “national incapacity” is caused by the lying media refusing to tell the truth and preventing other people from doing so.

    the problem is genetic – impulsive, low empathy people are more likely to kill.

    the solution is simple – people with those traits display them from an early age so instead of leniency for juveniles do the opposite and get them locked up young so they don’t breed – problem would disappear within a few generations.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    It would probably take more than "a few generations" unless you removed a LOT of the problematic genes from the gene pool.  Supposedly, Europe (and especially England) was pacified by removing something like the most violent 1% of the male population each generation through capital punishment.  This took about 400 years to turn England from clannish people ready to fight at the drop of a hat to people who spontaneously queue up for anything and everything.

    You could certainly speed this up if you tested for the troublesome gene variants and excluded them in both sexes and whether expressed or not, but that would be a much bigger job.
  91. @Achmed E. Newman
    I can kinda understand the view of that Pauline(?) something or other that was extremely miffed about Richard Nixon winning the election.

    "I don't know HOW any of these gun control laws passed. No one I know DOESN'T have a gun!"

    I think that’s how some rural/small town folk think. Hell where I live about every house with an adult male resident has at least one gun tucked away somewhere.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Corn, by "I", I did mean me, not just as an example of how others would write. Yeah, I know there's no telling, the way I write sometimes.

    I know some people that aren't really into guns in any way but still have 1 or 2, and I'd say that of ANYONE for whom I would have knowledge of his gun ownership one way or the other, he does.
  92. @Brutusale
    OK. Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn't?

    Blacks.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  93. @International Jew
    Like Muslim immigrants, the vast majority of guns are not killing anyone, at any given time.

    The same can be said for Palestinians. So why does Israel keep them locked up in the Gaza Strip and West Bank?

  94. @James Speaks
    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.


    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    You are running along a great plain along with thousands like yourself. OMG, you're an American Bison and immigrants from Europe are driving your herd towards a cliff where all of you will plunge to your deaths. Except, you see a boulder ahead and know that if you cut to the right of it, you find a steep path to the bottom that allows you to live.

    Do you tell the entire herd? If you try, then none of you will make it as you clog the escape route.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I know you are trying to make your point with Mr. Speaks, Joe, but this one seems like a hard-core anti-man movie. I got through 1:25 of the trailer only. I'd give myself only 10 minutes at the full movie.

    Yeah, I know, not related exactly, but <a href="http://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=711"I have one hell of a hard time finding modern movies to watch.
  95. @Jim Don Bob

    If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.
     
    It's the Amish I tell you.

    If only we could figure out who those people are and deny them the means to act upon their impulses.

    It’s the Amish I tell you.

    We need shun control.

  96. CNN: We Must Have a Conversation About Gun Violence

    Okay. Our friend Nancy can start it off:

  97. @Brutusale
    OK. Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn't?

    What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn’t?

  98. The Ferguson Effect has been called into question. Is it legitimate? To what extent? Or is it simply Alt Right fodder? Perhaps there is a story to NOTICE the methodologies of these studies and delve deeper into their findings.

    “A February 2016 University of Colorado Boulder study looked at crime statistics from 81 U.S. cities and found no evidence of a Ferguson effect with respect to overall, violent, or property crime, but did identify an increase in robbery rates after the shooting of Michael Brown (while these rates had been decreasing before this shooting).”

    “A March 2016 study by Johns Hopkins University researchers Stephen L. Morgan and Joel Pally found that after Brown was shot, rates of many types of crimes in Baltimore decreased relative to what had been expected, while others (such as robbery and burglary) remained unchanged.”

    “Another 2016 study, led by Edward Maguire of Arizona State University, found no evidence of a “Ferguson effect” with regard to the number of police officers killed in the line of duty in the United States between August 2014 and March 2016.”

    “Additionally, a 2017 study led by Bradley Campbell of the University of Louisville, showed no significant increase or decrease in the number of citizens fatally shot by police after the events in Ferguson, MO in August 2014.”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004723521730171X?via%3Dihub

    • Troll: MikeatMikedotMike
  99. Re your 2004 cameo:

    Red region white people are fine with blue region white people disarming dangerous minorities. The people who seem to have a problem with doing that are blue region white people. Let a white cop in a blue region try to disarm a black baby’s body, and blue region white people will show up in droves to protest with BLM signs in hand.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  100. “The available data suggests that as we make it easier and easier for more and more civilians to carry guns wherever they want, we end up with more homicides and other firearm-related crimes,” Webster said.

    Here’s some stats on people with concealed carry permits who commit crimes:

    https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/concealed-carry-permit-holders-crime-statistics/

    An exceptionally small percentage, to say the least. Of course, this info is from a pro-gun source, but if these numbers are incorrect, the MSM can always provide their own stats on permit holders, but they never seem to. To them, CCW permit holders and gang members (or repeat offenders) are indistinguishable from each other. The MSM has no ethical or statistical qualms about grouping these two very different categories of people together.

    There are some states, like Vermont, that (I believe) don’t require permits, but they have a low population and a culture that has historically dealt with guns and gun ownership responsibly. Having said that, even though I’m an NRA member, I’d have to question the NRA on their talking point that gun ownership is a universal good. I don’t know this to be a fact, but it might very well be true that places like Chicago and Baltimore would even worse than they are now if gun ownership was free and open. Vermont, OTOH, could have 10 times the number of guns they have now and it probably wouldn’t make much difference.

  101. @Anon
    Blacks don't have agency. They have divinity.

    “Blacks don’t have agency. They have divinity.”

    So the white liberals who infest media and culture would have us believe.

  102. @Bragadocious
    Interesting fact: Prosecutors in NYC are tougher on majority white Manhattan than the more vibrant outer boroughs in jailing illegal gun owners.

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Gun-Arrests-Jail-Time-Vary-by-Borough-New-York-City-489058261.html

    They don't break out the stats by race, of course. People might start asking the wrong questions.

    There are five district attorneys in NYC–one for each borough (county)–with varying priorities for re-election.

    Also, there’s not a lot of need for racial breakdown of gun crimes in NYC. Although gun crimes are more than just shootings, e.g. illegal possession, only 2% of shootings are committed by whites–98% by black & Hispanic perps.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  103. @Bubba

    He added that infectious diseases share similar outbreak patterns,
     
    Ahhh, well the learned Professor Webster must be aware that blacks are approximately fifty times more likely to get syphilis than whites. But please, none shall speak the obvious in our esteemed institutions of higher learning.

    This is not unlike the ’80s-’90s public health propaganda that everyone was at risk to AIDS, when the vectors were homosexuals and black intravenous drug users. Shall we say, a rather small subset of everyone.

    • Agree: Bubba
  104. @Achmed E. Newman
    I can kinda understand the view of that Pauline(?) something or other that was extremely miffed about Richard Nixon winning the election.

    "I don't know HOW any of these gun control laws passed. No one I know DOESN'T have a gun!"

    Pauline Kael, yes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks, Forbes ... saved me the trouble of opening a new tab ...
  105. Gun control is not needed because gun usage is inherently self limited.

    When I went to the local shooting range last my hands hurt. I have arthritis in my thumbs. I couldn’t work the slide. I think this happens to a lot of older white guys. Blacks don’t live as long and of course they tend to kill each other off when they are teenagers.

    You may have noticed that you seldom see anyone in real life or in the movies shooting it out when they are older than eighty. So this gun business is just something that passes with maturity.

  106. Really, what’s the big deal with a homemade gun? Before the 1968 Gun Control Act, firearms manufacturers weren’t required to put serial numbers on guns. You were able to purchase longguns through the US Mail. You could purchase a handgun and have it delivered to your door via railroad express. Did you know that a cannon like a 20mm Lahti was considered just a firearm and NOT a Class 3 Destructive device? TPTB decided that the US citizen was untrustworthy to own a cannon and although I never saw the ad, the Federal government ran a TV advertisement showing a hunter (with rifle) with militia weapons and slowly removed such weapons, indicating that he had no need for such militia weapons in 1968.

    Amazing, isn’t it that we were FREE. And then came the crush of the Cosmopolitans in the next half-century.

  107. @Brutusale
    OK. Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn't?

    Now tell me why Vermont, which basically has fuck-all for gun laws, has a murder rate one quarter that of Missouri. What does Missouri have that Vermont doesn’t?

    Vermont is closer to Canada.

  108. @Corn
    I think that’s how some rural/small town folk think. Hell where I live about every house with an adult male resident has at least one gun tucked away somewhere.

    Corn, by “I”, I did mean me, not just as an example of how others would write. Yeah, I know there’s no telling, the way I write sometimes.

    I know some people that aren’t really into guns in any way but still have 1 or 2, and I’d say that of ANYONE for whom I would have knowledge of his gun ownership one way or the other, he does.

  109. @Steve Sailer
    There are 300 million existing guns in America. It's not like you couldn't possibly get your hands on one if you really wanted to.

    But 3d printed guns, whether metal or another material, will be good for political theater.

    Senate minority leader Schumer spoke about 3D-printed firearms following a Justice Department settlement that will permit firearm schematics to be more readily shared online. “America is going to get a lot less safe.” Schumer claimed that such firearms “are not only scary, they’re outright dangerous in the way they can mimic the look and the capacity of a hardened, fully semiautomatic [sic] weapon.” A day later, Michael Bloomberg front-group Moms Demand Action re-posted Schumer’s comments on their twitter feed.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/chuck-schumer-3d-printed-guns-open-door-to-fully-semiautomatic-weapon/

  110. @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb4s4sAncNc&vl=en

    You are running along a great plain along with thousands like yourself. OMG, you’re an American Bison and immigrants from Europe are driving your herd towards a cliff where all of you will plunge to your deaths. Except, you see a boulder ahead and know that if you cut to the right of it, you find a steep path to the bottom that allows you to live.

    Do you tell the entire herd? If you try, then none of you will make it as you clog the escape route.

  111. @Forbes
    Pauline Kael, yes.

    Thanks, Forbes … saved me the trouble of opening a new tab …

  112. @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb4s4sAncNc&vl=en

    I know you are trying to make your point with Mr. Speaks, Joe, but this one seems like a hard-core anti-man movie. I got through 1:25 of the trailer only. I’d give myself only 10 minutes at the full movie.

    Yeah, I know, not related exactly, but <a title=”"http://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=711&quot;http://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=711&quot;I have one hell of a hard time finding modern movies to watch.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Dang, I "published" it too quickly and walked away. Link was:

    I have one hell of a hard time finding modern movies to watch.
  113. @Achmed E. Newman
    I know you are trying to make your point with Mr. Speaks, Joe, but this one seems like a hard-core anti-man movie. I got through 1:25 of the trailer only. I'd give myself only 10 minutes at the full movie.

    Yeah, I know, not related exactly, but <a href="http://www.peakstupidity.com/index.php?post=711"I have one hell of a hard time finding modern movies to watch.

    Dang, I “published” it too quickly and walked away. Link was:

    I have one hell of a hard time finding modern movies to watch.

  114. @MikeatMikedotMike
    That I didn't know. Was it his own?

    “The history of the Mauser semi-automatic rifles begins under questionable circumstances. The line of rifles began in 1897 with Paul Mauser’s development of the Mauser 1898 Recoil-Operated Rifle. This original rifle operated by the means of short recoil, where the breech block is cycled by means of a partially-traversing barrel. Interestingly, this original rifle had a provision that was to allow for “slow fire” manual firing whereby on the rearward movement of the breech block, it would snag a latch that would need to be depressed for the bolt to be allowed to travel back toward the barrel and strip a new round from the magazine. This provision was considered as a way to prevent the waste of ammunition, and the self-loading feature was only to be used in an emergency that required a high rate of fire. Unfortunately for Paul Mauser, the rifle provided an emergency of its own and, during testing of the rifle, a malfunction cost Paul Mauser one of his eyes.”

    https://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/mauser-selbstlader/

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Interesting! But it sounds like he didn't actually shoot his eye out, it was more of a cycling malfunction that injured him.
  115. @Anonymous
    The famous MAC M-10 and M-11 machine pistols are constructed out of steel sheet bent up on a plate brake. Plans are readily available. A brake and a drill press are all you really need.

    In the Roaring ’80s, MAC-10 Submachinegun parts kits were sold. A small industry making fully formed and drilled MAC-10 metal frames formed. All you had to do was weld the grip/magazine housing to the metal frame.

    BATF frowned upon this and declared these frames to be firearms.

    Industry then sold the MAC-10 frames sans the drilled holes for the internal parts.

    BATF frowned upon this.

    Industry then sold sheets of metal pre-cut so you could weld the parts together to form a frame.

    That didn’t appear popular and the MAC-10/11 frame industry died.

  116. @JMcG
    Here’s a better analogy. You’re walking down the street and you see an elderly woman trapped in her car by a rabid pit bull who is refusing to let her get out of her vehicle. You stop to remonstrate with the pit bull. The pit bull’s mate sees you remonstrating and runs over and knocks you to the ground. You shoot the second pit bull and kill him.
    The world has one less pit bull.
    The elderly lady can move around freely once more.
    The first pit bull might not go around trapping elderly ladies in their cars so much any more.
    Win. Win. Win.

    Analogy fails. No one was trapped.

  117. If a handicapped person can’t get to her destination because someone has taken the handicapped spots, she’s effectively trapped.

  118. @Anonymous
    Good barrels are the toughest thing to make and the last thing you want made of sintered or 3D printed metal. However, barrels-blank stock or finished-are not controlled items and can be bought mail order.

    However, barrels-blank stock or finished-are not controlled items and can be bought mail order.

    For now. California already has a law teed up to force all gun parts to go through a dealer as well (though at least until they try to take this nationwide, you’ll still be able to just go to a gun show or shop in Nevada and get all the uncontrolled parts you want). They already did that with ammunition recently. I know California is the extreme case where gun rights are on life support already, but ideas from there tend to get picked up by Democrats nationwide.

    Right now, the gun control crowd is mostly tearing their hair out over 3D printing (which shows how much their understanding of gun issues relies on sensationalism over substance). I’m not sure though what we can expect in the next few years. The best thing that could happen is Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court makes for a decisive majority that gives us some solid Second Amendment decisions that take most potential gun control proposals off the table.

  119. @Joe Stalin
    "The history of the Mauser semi-automatic rifles begins under questionable circumstances. The line of rifles began in 1897 with Paul Mauser’s development of the Mauser 1898 Recoil-Operated Rifle. This original rifle operated by the means of short recoil, where the breech block is cycled by means of a partially-traversing barrel. Interestingly, this original rifle had a provision that was to allow for “slow fire” manual firing whereby on the rearward movement of the breech block, it would snag a latch that would need to be depressed for the bolt to be allowed to travel back toward the barrel and strip a new round from the magazine. This provision was considered as a way to prevent the waste of ammunition, and the self-loading feature was only to be used in an emergency that required a high rate of fire. Unfortunately for Paul Mauser, the rifle provided an emergency of its own and, during testing of the rifle, a malfunction cost Paul Mauser one of his eyes."

    https://www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/mauser-selbstlader/

    Interesting! But it sounds like he didn’t actually shoot his eye out, it was more of a cycling malfunction that injured him.

  120. @James Speaks
    You make a good point that counters nothing I said. Here is an analogy:

    1. You are walking down the street and you come upon a rabid dog.
    2. You approach the rabid dog and scold him.
    3. The dog tries to bite you.
    4. You shoot the dog.


    You insist that it was correct to shoot the rabid dog.
    I suggest not approaching the dog.

    Do you understand?

    Bad example. Rabid dogs should be prioritized for elimination. Someone who kills one is doing the community a service.

    I, too, am a firm believer in minding my own business, but you see in many countries where that leads you when almost all of the population is essentially passive.

  121. @Steve Sailer
    Guys in Afghanistan make AK-47s.

    So why would you want a gun made in a 3-D printer rather than in a machine tool shop?

    Decentralization, I guess. A machine shop requires tools and expertise to use them. With the right 3D printer and materials, I could presumably print things off files from the Internet, then follow a tutorial on assembly. The barrier to access is much lower, if you disregard the cost of the device. A Xerox place in every neighborhood is one thing, but a printer in potentially every home is another, even if the quality, volume etc are not the same.

  122. @notanon

    The confusion around this issue is yet another drawback of our national incapacity to be honest about race and racial issues.
     
    that "national incapacity" is caused by the lying media refusing to tell the truth and preventing other people from doing so.

    the problem is genetic - impulsive, low empathy people are more likely to kill.

    the solution is simple - people with those traits display them from an early age so instead of leniency for juveniles do the opposite and get them locked up young so they don't breed - problem would disappear within a few generations.

    It would probably take more than “a few generations” unless you removed a LOT of the problematic genes from the gene pool.  Supposedly, Europe (and especially England) was pacified by removing something like the most violent 1% of the male population each generation through capital punishment.  This took about 400 years to turn England from clannish people ready to fight at the drop of a hat to people who spontaneously queue up for anything and everything.

    You could certainly speed this up if you tested for the troublesome gene variants and excluded them in both sexes and whether expressed or not, but that would be a much bigger job.

  123. @Anonymous
    Good barrels are the toughest thing to make and the last thing you want made of sintered or 3D printed metal. However, barrels-blank stock or finished-are not controlled items and can be bought mail order.

    The problem with barrel blanks is you would not have the capability to easily change twist rates and the number of rifling grooves. Yes, the issue of strength is important but a lot of target shooters use lead bullets and very light loads. You can also experiment with things like tapered rifling and choked barrels like they use in air guns.

    The 3D built 1911 did go 500 rounds without a hitch. I assumed they used factory ammo which is much hotter than what the typical Bullseye shooter reloads for.

    There are also problems with barrel blanks in terms of cut-outs required by the gun such as a cut-out for the cylinder rod for S&W pistols. All that machining is not cheap and difficult to do for the average guy. You can always pay somebody but it usually isn’t cheap so experimentation is not easy.

  124. @Thomas

    This will be a big boost to people doing serious target shooting. You will be able to produce custom barrels of your own design and try them out if it ever gets to the homeowner stage.
     
    I'm going to predict that the ability to make a quality barrel fit for serious target shooting is going to be a ways down the road before it gets to the consumer printing level. Anyone who is that serious as both a shooter and a gunsmith probably doesn't need to 3D print a barrel.

    Barrel fitting takes a lot of time or money. They are at the level of selling DIY barrel fitting kits for 1911s but it take a lot of time unless you want to buy the 3500 dollar custom gun already fitted and the slop removed. Just like factory drilling and tapping guns has removed an expensive job that gunsmiths had when people wanted to put a scope on their gun, if the technology ever gets this far, this is one more job that will disappear.

    The big boost would be in changing twist rates, rifling types, undersized barrels, and things like tapered rifling or a choked barrel with just a software modification.

  125. @James Speaks
    Although I do not think the shooter in Clearwater acted correctly, once he was on the ground with the ultimate victim advancing towards him, self defense is a reasonable legal defense. But, I do not think he acted correctly.

    Criticising someone who has parked illegally, unless it endangers myself, is not something I am going to do. If I win, what do I win? Very little.

    Prefer to make a note of yet another 'that segment of society's inability to respect laws' and vote accordingly.

    You’re right, in general, that confronting someone over parking in a handicapped space can end badly. That’s especially the case when the miscreant is a Negro. That said, one of the reasons that we can’t have nice things any more, is that opposing anti-social behavior is violently opposed.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  126. @Joe Stalin
    Having been put into a similar situation by a gang of Black "utes," rest assured that anyone that puts you on the ground (What if he hit his head and died? I've known two people to succumb to to falls.) has surely assaulted you with criminal intent. Your first reaction is: "Oh f****, I'm in deep s**** now. What's he going to do to me now?"

    I, for one would NEVER convict the man on the ground for murder or manslaughter. He defended himself like he should, something I as an Illinois resident could NOT do at the time.

    And I intend to take that to any jury trial if it comes up.

    You don’t say where you live in Illinois, but as a white guy in Cook County, I wouldn’t want to see all the black faces in the jury box at my trial.

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