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From the Washington Post:

This year, we are all Esther in America’s own Purim story

By Danya Ruttenberg February 26 at 6:00 AM

Danya Ruttenberg is rabbi-in-residence at Avodah and author of “Nurture the Wow: Finding Spirituality in the Frustration, Boredom, Tears, Poop, Desperation, Wonder, and Radical Amazement of Parenting.”

How can I finish Pinker’s book when I realize that Nurture the Wow is out there unread?

The deadline President Trump has set for the passage of legislation to adjust the status of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children by their parents is March 5, just days after Jews worldwide celebrate the festival of Purim. During Purim, which begins Wednesday night, we read the Book of Esther, which tells the story of a vain, corrupt leader willing to sell out a vulnerable people for his own convenience — and invites us to consider the obligations of those not targeted to those who are.

In the story, we meet Ahasuerus, king of Persia — who may or may not be modeled after Xerxes I. He was quick to anger, easily bribed, and fond of displaying the “vast riches of his kingdom and the splendid glory of his majesty.”

His top adviser is a vicious despot named Haman.

Haman, the bad guy, was prime minister of Persia, so some things never change. Also, Haman was an Amalekite, so other things never change either.

When Mordechai, a Jew, refuses to bow down to Haman, the aide decides to “do away with all the Jews” in the kingdom as revenge. …

For this to happen so close to Purim is evocative for anyone who knows the story of the holiday; the book of Esther, at least, has a happy ending. Ahasuerus’s second wife, Esther, was a closeted Jew. As Haman’s plot came to light, Mordechai visited her to persuade her to lobby on behalf of her people. …

We, all of us documented American citizens, are Esther right now. … And yes, many other Americans came without paperwork — tired, poor, yearning to breathe free. For those of us who are secure in our citizenship status now, this is our time to speak out. Who knows but that we have not come to our position for such a time as this? …

Esther was willing to step up and even act “contrary to the law” on behalf of her people. And at the end of the Purim story, the Jews were saved. As part of this happy resolution, Esther sent a dispatch throughout the land with words of truth and peace.

And what about us? How will we intercede to change the lots that have been cast?

The rabbi lady, however, left out of the Purim story the details of the happy ending. From the King James Bible:

5 Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them.

6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …

12 And the king said unto Esther the queen, The Jews have slain and destroyed five hundred men in Shushan the palace, and the ten sons of Haman; what have they done in the rest of the king’s provinces? now what is thy petition? and it shall be granted thee: or what is thy request further? and it shall be done.

13 Then said Esther, If it please the king, let it be granted to the Jews which are in Shushan to do to morrow also according unto this day’s decree, and let Haman’s ten sons be hanged upon the gallows.

14 And the king commanded it so to be done: and the decree was given at Shushan; and they hanged Haman’s ten sons.

15 For the Jews that were in Shushan gathered themselves together on the fourteenth day also of the month Adar, and slew three hundred men at Shushan; but on the prey they laid not their hand.

16 But the other Jews that were in the king’s provinces gathered themselves together, and stood for their lives, and had rest from their enemies, and slew of their foes seventy and five thousand …

So, what we are we up to by now in the Purim story, about 75,810 dead bodies?

Another translation, in Hawaiian Pidgin:

Da Jesus Book: Hawaii Pidgin New Testament

Da king tell Queen Esther, “Da Jews wen kill 500 guys awready inside da strong walls Susa town. Dey wen kill Haman ten boys too. Wat dey do inside my odda districks? Now, wat odda ting you like? Wateva you aks, I give um to you!” Esther tell, “If you tink az good, let da Jews inside Susa do da same ting tomorrow too, an let dem hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies on top poses.” So da king make one mo rule fo inside Susa town, fo hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies.

Da Jews inside Susa wen come togedda one mo time on March 8, an dey kill 300 mo guys inside Susa town, but dey no take dea stuffs. Da same time, da odda Jews inside da king’s districks wen come togedda fo take care demself, fo no let da guys dat hate dem bodda dem no moa. Dey kill 75,000 guys, but dey no take dea stuffs. Dey do dis on March 7. Den March 8, dey res, an make big party an stay feel real good inside.

And that’s why Senator Booker (D-New Jersey) and Rabbi Boteach (R-Clown Suit) celebrate Purim:

 
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  1. And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they’ll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

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    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Lib urban rich Jews hate hate hate Israel to fit in with Keith Ellison and Kamal Harris more than say, Erdogan.

    It's all about ruling class.
    , @Ivy
    Bar likely ate fewer of these Purim cookies than Monica did.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamantash
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Monica Lewinsky looks much better now than she did in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/968025805875040257
    , @Doug
    Monica's definitely in the top 10% of attractiveness for American 44 year-olds.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=monica+lewinsky+2017&go=Search&qs=n&form=QBILPG&sp=-1&pq=monica+lewinsky+2017&sc=8-20&sk=&cvid=F08A3B5D74B744DB814E8D675F7934FE

    I sincerely doubt that few, if any of the commenters here, are more attractive relative to their cohort than Monica Lewinsky.
    , @Jon

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they’ll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.
     
    I lived in an Asian country for awhile, and while I did, I always got questioned about Monica. It usually went something like this:
    Q: Is Monica considered beautiful in your country?
    A: Oh god no!
    Q: But then why did your president have an affair with her, he must have had choices?
    A: Um, well, er ...
    , @Yngvar
    Bar Refaeli weaseled her way out of conscription. She wouldn't now how to be an Esther.
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  2. Nonsense. Those of us of founding stock suffering due to the invasion and overpopulation are all Persians in what used to be America’s own Purim story.

    (((Some people))) are just constitutionally incapable of empathy for differing perspectives and simultaneously compelled to project their own selfish perspective on to every other person in the world.

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  3. So who is Haman in the Trump administration? She would probably go with Stephen Miller.

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    Trump is obviously setting the Jewish people up for destruction by letting Sheldon Adelson buy a new embassy in Jerusalem. 4D Chess, people!
    , @JohnnyD
    Yea, there are many delusional Jews who think enforcing our immigration laws will lead to the destruction of the Jewish people, even if a Jewish guy (Miller) is in charge.
    , @AndrewR
    Despite the dishonest complaints by critics of the administration, there has not, to my knowledge, been anyone on Trump's staff remotely prejudiced towards Jews as a group. Bannon certainly wasn't, and Hebrews Miller and Kushner obviously aren't. I'm not sure there was even a single person to tell him, "hey Donny, maybe moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a bad idea."
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  4. If more normies are going to learn about Purim then that’s good for our side.

    OT Obama’s Secret Speech
    On Friday, former President Barack Obama spoke for an hour to an audience of hundreds of people at a major sports policy conference at MIT, but his remarks were off-the-record and kept completely secret by virtually all attendees, who had to agree that they would not record, photograph, tweet, or report on the event before being granted a seat in the audience. Reason obtained a recording of the speech, however, and the most newsworthy thing about it is the simple fact that the public wasn’t supposed to hear it.
    “We didn’t have a scandal that embarrassed us,” said the former president.

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/26/barack-obama-mit-sloan-sports

    Why did Obama refuse to say this on the record?

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Obama probably had nothing to do with the off-the-record requirement. He is not as clever as his reputation, and his handlers know it, so if he is going to speak without a script to a relatively unvetted audience, it's a routine precaution for them to insist that nothing of which they did not approve can leave the room.
    , @Barnard
    I think @Almost Missouri is right about the reason the comments were kept off the record. Obviously someone was unconcerned enough to leak the speech to Reason.

    Obama's blind spot when confronting problems either created or made worse by people he considers allies is comically large. Why does the NCAA continue the way it does? Perhaps the reason is that between the NCAA and its member schools, they are making billions of dollars a year tax free. Another big factor is that the public likes college basketball and the NCAA Tournament a lot more than they like the NBA development league. Did he ever think during eight years in office to send a message to his friends in higher education that they need to get this worked out or they were risking losing their tax exemptions?

    His entire Presidency was the same shallow thinking, his "right side of history" team against the evil bad guys on the other side. He thinks the private sector is behind the government on work/life balance issues? Because his White House staff had to put in 80 hours weeks there are no slackers in the entire federal bureaucracy? Who is he talking to on this stuff?
    , @Clifford Brown
    Trump is getting the "Haman Treatment" from the NBA.

    Stephen Curry is right. No team should visit Trump's White House
     
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/opinions/trump-warriors-white-house-opinion-moore/
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  5. The book of Esther isn’t really part of the Bible.

    It never once mentions God.

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly – the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.

    Much like in John Hagee’s church, the only deity worshiped in the Book of Esther is the Jewish people as a group.

    A nasty story of deception and sleazy harem intrigue facilitating the murder of the host population at the hands of a diaspora people.

    The best character is Ahasuerus’ first wife Vashti, who rightfully feels nothing but contempt for that easily flattered and manipulated, unworthy occupant of Cyrus’ throne.

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    The best character is Ahasuerus’ first wife Vashti, who rightfully feels nothing but contempt for that easily flattered and manipulated, unworthy occupant of Cyrus’ throne.
     
    In the midst of the “Me Too” rage, this would be a great film idea to peel some money off hapless young urban females. And if it’s not to explicit in the modernized feminist overtones and it’s shot in Parsi it could be very exportable.
    , @Tracy

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly – the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.
     
    Not so, and going by that standard of proof as to what belongs in the Bible, we'd have to throw out Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Obadiah, Nahum, and Zephaniah, too.

    The (Catholic/Orthodox) Church determined the canon (not the other way around, as some Protestants strangely seem to think. Nor did it happen by miracle, as in the apparent belief that a leather-bound, gilt-edged Bible, complete with Cyrus Scofield's footnotes, fell out of the sky and onto the lap of -- of all people -- King James); that's good enough for me.
    , @Ian M.

    A nasty story of deception and sleazy harem intrigue facilitating the murder of the host population at the hands of a diaspora people.
     
    The Jews did not slaughter the host population; they slaughtered another diaspora people, the Amalekites, their ancient enemy.

    Don't forget also that Mordecai had saved the king.

    As for whether Esther is properly part of the Bible, what Tracy said.
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  6. @Barnard
    So who is Haman in the Trump administration? She would probably go with Stephen Miller.

    Trump is obviously setting the Jewish people up for destruction by letting Sheldon Adelson buy a new embassy in Jerusalem. 4D Chess, people!

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  7. “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.” The question is who is the devil here. Rabbi Ruttenberg or Steve Sailer?

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    Mr. Sailer only posted the actual text and his snarky rejoinder. Process of elimination.
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  8. Are you sure it wasn’t Haman who was told to bow?

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  9. @Anonym
    And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they'll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

    Lib urban rich Jews hate hate hate Israel to fit in with Keith Ellison and Kamal Harris more than say, Erdogan.

    It’s all about ruling class.

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    Can you supply the names of a few of these rich Jews who hate, hate, hate Israel?
    , @Kam Phlodius
    Actually, left-wing Jewish persons do not "hate hate hate" Israel. (But if you insist on living in a fantasy world, I suppose no one can stop you.) According to Norman Podhoretz, 78% of Jewish persons have voted Democratic in presidential elections since 1928. Do you think 78% of our Jewish friends hate the modern state of Israel?
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  10. @Barnard
    So who is Haman in the Trump administration? She would probably go with Stephen Miller.

    Yea, there are many delusional Jews who think enforcing our immigration laws will lead to the destruction of the Jewish people, even if a Jewish guy (Miller) is in charge.

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  11. Can’t put my finger on it, but something about the legend of Esther reminds me of this…

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/eric-trump-says-syria-strike-was-swayed-heartbroken-ivanka-n745021

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    Yep, it is the same story, and it happened in the Middle East too. Wouldn't it have been better if there were just a big old ocean in that part of the world? (Well, maybe not, we'd likely not be here, I suppose.)

    Anyway this is not a time for levity, do you understand what happened to Machine Gun Kelly?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxENtNlOG4k

    "I'll tell you 'bout machine gun kelly
    He rode along the outlaw trail
    Machine gun kelly was a simple man
    But the woman was as hard as hell.


    Watch out machine gun.
    Don't let her run you 'round.
    Don't let a woman put you six feet in the ground.
    Machine Gun.


    I'll tell you 'bout Katherine Kelly,
    tired of being such small time now,
    figured they'd kidnap a rich man's son
    and make it in the world of crime.


    You'd better watch out Machine Gun Kelly,
    careful of what you do now.
    If you keep listening to your old lady
    ain't no telling what'll happen to you now.
    Machine Gun.


    The government boys they came for Machine Gun
    and took the poor boy away.
    They stuck him in a hole in Leavenworth prison
    where he lived until his dying day.


    Watch out Machine Gun.
    Don't let her put you down.
    Don't let a woman make you out to be a clown.
    Machine Gun, watch out Machine Gun"
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  12. At least it makes some sense why Jews should be interested in the Book of Esther. But Steve, if you dislike it so much, why is it in your church?

    But its woke of you that you’re using a translation made by a gay man.

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    "...its woke of you that you’re using a translation made by a gay man"

    Are you under the impression that James I of England/VI of Scotland translated the version of the bible that bears his name?
    , @Alden
    King James didn’t do the translation himself. He organized and funded a group of scholars who did the translation.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    The best translation, in my humble opinion:

    Da Jesus Book: Hawaii Pidgin New Testament

    Da king tell Queen Esther, “Da Jews wen kill 500 guys awready inside da strong walls Susa town. Dey wen kill Haman ten boys too. Wat dey do inside my odda districks? Now, wat odda ting you like? Wateva you aks, I give um to you!” Esther tell, “If you tink az good, let da Jews inside Susa do da same ting tomorrow too, an let dem hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies on top poses.” So da king make one mo rule fo inside Susa town, fo hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies.

    Da Jews inside Susa wen come togedda one mo time on March 8, an dey kill 300 mo guys inside Susa town, but dey no take dea stuffs. Da same time, da odda Jews inside da king’s districks wen come togedda fo take care demself, fo no let da guys dat hate dem bodda dem no moa. Dey kill 75,000 guys, but dey no take dea stuffs. Dey do dis on March 7. Den March 8, dey res, an make big party an stay feel real good inside.
     
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  13. @J.Ross
    If more normies are going to learn about Purim then that's good for our side.

    OT Obama's Secret Speech
    On Friday, former President Barack Obama spoke for an hour to an audience of hundreds of people at a major sports policy conference at MIT, but his remarks were off-the-record and kept completely secret by virtually all attendees, who had to agree that they would not record, photograph, tweet, or report on the event before being granted a seat in the audience. Reason obtained a recording of the speech, however, and the most newsworthy thing about it is the simple fact that the public wasn't supposed to hear it.
    "We didn’t have a scandal that embarrassed us," said the former president.
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/26/barack-obama-mit-sloan-sports

    Why did Obama refuse to say this on the record?

    Obama probably had nothing to do with the off-the-record requirement. He is not as clever as his reputation, and his handlers know it, so if he is going to speak without a script to a relatively unvetted audience, it’s a routine precaution for them to insist that nothing of which they did not approve can leave the room.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    For how long has this been a routine precaution?
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  14. As usual, the total absence of self awareness is truly astonishing. The fact that their ancestors, while certainly not pioneers or settlers, arrived to find a “sink or swim” America versus the monstrous welfare state that exists today is a point completely lost on them. Even confronted with current statistics on immigrant use of welfare programs at eye popping rates of 75%, they still can’t comprehend that these aren’t exactly like grandpa Moishe the garment maker. Then again, I know several NeoCon Jews who are outraged that Israel is giving the boot to Sub-Saharan invaders. These are rabid pro-2nd Amendment (“never again!”) and AIPAC funders who seem to seriously believe some Bantus are legitimate Jews. Never underestimate stupidity.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    We're definitely gonna appropriate "never again" as our official policy on diversity.

    "Never again? You're God-damned right."
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  15. 29 Queen Esther also, fearing the danger that was at hand, had recourse to the Lord. 30 And when she had laid away her royal apparel, she put on garments suitable for weeping and mourning: instead of divers precious ointments, she covered her head with ashes and dung, and she humbled her body with fasts: and all the places in which before she was accustomed to rejoice, she filled with her torn hair. 31 And she prayed to the Lord the God of Israel, saying: O my Lord, who alone art our king, help me a desolate woman, and who have no other helper but thee. 32 My danger is in my hands. 33 I have heard of my father that thou, O Lord, didst take Israel from among all nations, and our fathers from all their predecessors, to possess them as an everlasting inheritance, and thou hast done to them as thou hast promised. 34 We have sinned in thy sight, and therefore thou hast delivered us into the hands of our enemies: 35 For we have worshipped their gods. Thou art just, O Lord. 36 And now they are not content to oppress us with most hard bondage, but attributing the strength of their hands to the power of their idols, 37 They design to change thy promises, and destroy thy inheritance, and shut the mouths of them that praise thee, and extinguish the glory of thy temple and altar, 38 That they may open the mouths of Gentiles, and praise the strength of idols, and magnify for ever a carnal king. 39 Give not, O Lord, thy sceptre to them that are not, lest they laugh at our ruin: but turn their counsel upon themselves, and destroy him that hath begun to rage against us. 40 Remember, O Lord, and shew thyself to us in the time of our tribulation, and give me boldness, O Lord, king of gods, and of all power: 41 Give me a well ordered speech in my mouth in the presence of the lion, and turn his heart to the hatred of our enemy, that both he himself may perish, and the rest that consent to him. 42 But deliver us by thy hand, and help me, who have no other helper, but thee, O Lord, who hast the knowledge of all things. 43 And thou knowest that I hate the glory of the wicked, and abhor the bed of the uncircumcised, and of every stranger. 44 Thou knowest my necessity, that I abominate the sign of my pride and glory, which is upon my head in the days of my public appearance, and detest it as a menstruous rag, and wear it not in the days of my silence, 45 And that I have not eaten at Aman’s table, nor hath the king’s banquet pleased me, and that I have not drunk the wine of the drink offerings: 46 And that thy handmaid hath never rejoiced, since I was brought hither unto this day, but in thee, O Lord, the God of Abraham.

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    43 And thou knowest that I hate the glory of the wicked, and abhor the bed of the uncircumcised, and of every stranger. 44 Thou knowest my necessity, that I abominate the sign of my pride and glory, which is upon my head in the days of my public appearance, and detest it as a menstruous rag, and wear it not in the days of my silence, 45 And that I have not eaten at Aman’s table, nor hath the king’s banquet pleased me, and that I have not drunk the wine of the drink offerings: 46 And that thy handmaid hath never rejoiced, since I was brought hither unto this day, but in thee, O Lord, the God of Abraham.
     
    The lady doth protest too much, methinks...
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  16. @John Gruskos
    The book of Esther isn't really part of the Bible.

    It never once mentions God.

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly - the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.

    Much like in John Hagee's church, the only deity worshiped in the Book of Esther is the Jewish people as a group.

    A nasty story of deception and sleazy harem intrigue facilitating the murder of the host population at the hands of a diaspora people.

    The best character is Ahasuerus' first wife Vashti, who rightfully feels nothing but contempt for that easily flattered and manipulated, unworthy occupant of Cyrus' throne.

    The best character is Ahasuerus’ first wife Vashti, who rightfully feels nothing but contempt for that easily flattered and manipulated, unworthy occupant of Cyrus’ throne.

    In the midst of the “Me Too” rage, this would be a great film idea to peel some money off hapless young urban females. And if it’s not to explicit in the modernized feminist overtones and it’s shot in Parsi it could be very exportable.

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  17. I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes’ son Cyrus, and just as Cyrus let the Jews return home to the Land of Israel, so verily shalt Trump return the dreamers to their homelands where they may flourish in their own way.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Indeed! I may be mixing up stories, but per Exodus, could one of the Dreamers not temporarily dry up the Rio Grand ... maybe via increased agricultural allotments arranged miraculously by a guy named Mosé?
    , @Clifford Brown
    Exactly my reaction, Trump is not Ahasuerus, but Cyrus the Great. Trump has not only permitted the return of the Jewish Capital to Jerusalem, but he is pursuing a policy consistent with Cyrus the Great of letting The Exiles return to their ancestral lands.

    I have roused him up in victory, and I make level all his ways; he shall build My city, and he shall let Mine exiles go free, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts. Isaiah 45:13
     
    , @kaganovitch
    I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes’ son Cyrus

    I don't think Xerxes had a son named Cyrus. Cyrus the Great who Trump seems to be channeling preceded Xerxes by over half a century.
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  18. Wasn’t there something recently about 40K Africans being deported from….

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  19. @Stan d Mute
    As usual, the total absence of self awareness is truly astonishing. The fact that their ancestors, while certainly not pioneers or settlers, arrived to find a “sink or swim” America versus the monstrous welfare state that exists today is a point completely lost on them. Even confronted with current statistics on immigrant use of welfare programs at eye popping rates of 75%, they still can’t comprehend that these aren’t exactly like grandpa Moishe the garment maker. Then again, I know several NeoCon Jews who are outraged that Israel is giving the boot to Sub-Saharan invaders. These are rabid pro-2nd Amendment (“never again!”) and AIPAC funders who seem to seriously believe some Bantus are legitimate Jews. Never underestimate stupidity.

    We’re definitely gonna appropriate “never again” as our official policy on diversity.

    “Never again? You’re God-damned right.

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  20. @Almost Missouri
    Obama probably had nothing to do with the off-the-record requirement. He is not as clever as his reputation, and his handlers know it, so if he is going to speak without a script to a relatively unvetted audience, it's a routine precaution for them to insist that nothing of which they did not approve can leave the room.

    For how long has this been a routine precaution?

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    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Since the Democrats and the Media have been the same people.
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  21. OT. Might be of interest given how often Steve mentions Steven Pinker’s work.

    https://www.santafe.edu/news-center/news/paper-nothing-unusual-about-long-peace-wwii

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  22. I guess fast and furious and the perjury of holder and being held in contempt by Congress didn’t qualify as a “scandal,” but the dead bodies will not be forgotten. And there are others…

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  23. @anony-mouse
    At least it makes some sense why Jews should be interested in the Book of Esther. But Steve, if you dislike it so much, why is it in your church?

    But its woke of you that you're using a translation made by a gay man.

    “…its woke of you that you’re using a translation made by a gay man”

    Are you under the impression that James I of England/VI of Scotland translated the version of the bible that bears his name?

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    I said 'made by' (eg the Great pyramid of Giza was made by Cheops)
    , @Anonymous
    The KJV-Onlyites insist he wasn't really gay.

    The KJV has faults, but as a work of literature it is first rate. Still, a modern reader of ordinary literary knowledge in 2018, or indeed any time after 1800, will find it confusing. That is probably exactly why the KJV-Onlyites promote it.

    There is also the issue that >99% of the copies of the KJV in the US are incomplete in that they omit the Apocrypha. So obviously , that commandment in Revelations about taking away or adding to the Word of God is not really a thing for most fundies.
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  24. We goyim are all Haman’s sons. We are all Amalek. The guilt of the father shall be visited upon the sons.

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    This guy gets it. This is why Trump's early pitch to Jewish donors was more brilliant than anyone will ever give it credit for being: he demonstrated that they don't want friends.
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  25. I was looking in wikipedia to see if the Esther story, if real and not myth, resulted in any sort of reaction that the Jews would come to regret.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iran

    I didn’t find anything but the later period was amusing:

    Early Islamic period (634 to 1255)

    At the time of Islamic conquest of Persia Jews were heavily under the pressure of the Sassanid rulers. Several Jewish religious figures were executed and the Jewish community was under pressure. Thus, many Jews welcomed the Arab armies with open arms. One of the Jews of Isfahan, “Abu Naeem”, wrote in the “stories of the news of Isfahan” that Jews rushed to the gates of Isfahan to open the gates for the Arabs. He further wrote that many took musical instruments to make a feast. These Jews believed that the time of the Messiah is coming. Amnon Netzer believes that this story demonstrates that the Jews were the majority of the population of Isfahan at the time, since this act was likely to enrage the local Zoroastrians.[26]

    After the Islamic conquest of Persia, Jews, along with Christians and Zoroastrians, were assigned the status of dhimmis, inferior subjects of the Islamic empire. Dhimmis were allowed to practice their religion, but were forced to pay taxes (jizya, a poll tax, and initially also kharaj, a land tax) in favor of the Arab Muslim conquerors, and as a compensation for being excused from military service and payment of poor tax incumbent on Muslims.[27] Dhimmis were also required to submit to a number of social and legal disabilities; they were prohibited from bearing arms, riding horses, testifying in courts in cases involving a Muslim, and frequently required to wear clothes that clearly distinguished them from Muslims.[citation needed] Although some of these restrictions were sometimes relaxed, the overall condition of inequality remained in force until the Mongol invasion.[28]

    Plus ça change… (well except for the Jewish religious figures being executed bit that prompted a welcoming of the Arabs. These days you can have a philosemitic nation and still the invaders are welcomed with open arms.)

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  26. Esther was from Sanford and Son. This women doesn’t know what shes talking about.

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  27. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Wait… I’m confused.

    Isn’t this Esther/Purim story about Jewish nationalism and Judea First?
    It’s about Us vs Them. It’s not about Jews celebrating foreigners and invaders.
    It’s about Jews preserving themselves as a people and culture and harshly punishing traitors and subversive elements.

    Also, the story shows the danger of empire. I means Jews were threatened because they were under imperial Persian rule.

    Fast forward to today.
    Globalism is imperialist.
    Nationalism means the US minds its own business. It means the US does not fight Wars for Israel and ‘haman-izes’ entire nations in the Middle East. Those wars were more about ‘haman smites’ than ‘human rights’. Just ask 100,000s of Iraqis killed by Clinton and Albright.

    Also, mass immigration into the US and EU means the haman-ization of the native/existing population to be replaced by new hordes. Globalism is a two-way-street empire. US military, dollar supremacism, media empire, and PC conquer the world, and in turn, the West is demographically conquered by the world. It destroys much of the Third World, and it destroys the West. The only people who remain above the fray are the globalist elites who got their power and privilege in the elysium-like cities.

    It is nationalism that strives to stop the US from more destructive imperialist ventures. It is nationalism that tries to preserve the people and culture of a nation from foreign mass invasion.

    The Persians in the modern world are Jewish globalists whose manipulations have not only led to destruction of entire Muslim nations but mass invasion of Western nations.

    But what chutzpah for her talk as if the US belongs to her kind and darling illegals. No one else matters.

    When terminology is corrupted, nothing makes sense. Once, ‘American’ meant people with historical roots in America or those who went through the process of naturalization in good faith.
    It had both historical/cultural and legal basis.
    But now, the term means ‘anyone who wants to come to America’.
    So, when many politicians ponder the question, “what can I do for Americans?”, they don’t think of historical Americans(mainly white, black, and Indian) or naturalized immigrants but the illegals and billions of wanna-be-Americans. The ‘dream’ of wanting to come to America means more to these hack politicians than the reality of being an American… just like neo-feminism favors the dream of a man wanting to be a ‘woman’ than the reality of women who are women.

    Dream, dream, dream, fantasy, fantasy, fantasy. I guess it’s just more FUN than humdrum good ole reality. Having lost God, the new goddites want to believe in something MORE than the real and factual.

    There are two ways to lose God.

    1. Accept the reality and work with what you have. Be empirical and rational.

    2. Feeling empty and hollow in absence of spiritual faith, look for the fantastic in the real world. So, if there really are men and women, go beyond the fact by fantasizing that men can be women AND women can be men. Or, believe that national identity has nothing to do with roots or laws but instead just with the Dream.

    So many progs are #2. It goes to show that they were emotionally unprepared to lose God. They like to think of themselves as educated and rational, but they still have this need to BELIEVE. Since they feel themselves to be too smart for religion, they’ve ‘spiritualized’ the real world with fantastic notions.

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    Since they feel themselves to be too smart for religion, they’ve ‘spiritualized’ the real world with fantastic notions.
     
    Are you sure that you're not hoisted by your own petard? Dawkins got pwned, maybe you did, too.

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-4.html

    "Universalism, in my opinion, is best described as a mystery cult of power.

    "It's a cult of power because one critical stage in its replicative lifecycle is a little critter called the State. When we look at the big U's surface proteins, we notice that most of them can be explained by its need to capture, retain, and maintain the State, and direct its powers toward the creation of conditions that favor the continued replication of Universalism. It's as hard to imagine Universalism without the State as malaria without the mosquito.

    "It's a mystery cult because it displaces theistic traditions by replacing metaphysical superstitions with philosophical mysteries, such as humanity, progress, equality, democracy, justice, environment, community, peace, etc.

    "None of these concepts, as defined in orthodox Universalist doctrine, is even slightly coherent. All can absorb arbitrary mental energy without producing any rational thought. In this they are best compared to Plotinian, Talmudic, or Scholastic nonsense. ..."
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  28. @Vinteuil
    "...its woke of you that you’re using a translation made by a gay man"

    Are you under the impression that James I of England/VI of Scotland translated the version of the bible that bears his name?

    I said ‘made by’ (eg the Great pyramid of Giza was made by Cheops)

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  29. @Balaji
    "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." The question is who is the devil here. Rabbi Ruttenberg or Steve Sailer?

    Mr. Sailer only posted the actual text and his snarky rejoinder. Process of elimination.

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  30. America is not a Jewish nation, nor any type of theocracy, so is not bound by the Book of Esther. Perhaps Rabbi So-and-so should take her little lecture to the one country in the world that is a Jewish nation and tell them how it obliges them to admit massive numbers of immigrants into their country.

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  31. OT An “Assault Weapons” Ban attempt? Do they not recall 1994? I guess that’s it for the blue wave.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/375659-dems-introduce-assault-weapons-ban

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    I don't know for sure on this. The demographics have changed a lot since 1994. It seems the newcomers don't really like the 2nd amendment. Perhaps this will work in our favor if it causes a significant portion of the 40% of brain-dead, democrat-voting whites to switch to our side.
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  32. @Anonym
    And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they'll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

    Bar likely ate fewer of these Purim cookies than Monica did.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamantash

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    Bar likely ate fewer of these Purim cookies than Monica did.

    Monica didn't just eat the ear.
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  33. @J.Ross
    If more normies are going to learn about Purim then that's good for our side.

    OT Obama's Secret Speech
    On Friday, former President Barack Obama spoke for an hour to an audience of hundreds of people at a major sports policy conference at MIT, but his remarks were off-the-record and kept completely secret by virtually all attendees, who had to agree that they would not record, photograph, tweet, or report on the event before being granted a seat in the audience. Reason obtained a recording of the speech, however, and the most newsworthy thing about it is the simple fact that the public wasn't supposed to hear it.
    "We didn’t have a scandal that embarrassed us," said the former president.
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/26/barack-obama-mit-sloan-sports

    Why did Obama refuse to say this on the record?

    I think is right about the reason the comments were kept off the record. Obviously someone was unconcerned enough to leak the speech to Reason.

    Obama’s blind spot when confronting problems either created or made worse by people he considers allies is comically large. Why does the NCAA continue the way it does? Perhaps the reason is that between the NCAA and its member schools, they are making billions of dollars a year tax free. Another big factor is that the public likes college basketball and the NCAA Tournament a lot more than they like the NBA development league. Did he ever think during eight years in office to send a message to his friends in higher education that they need to get this worked out or they were risking losing their tax exemptions?

    His entire Presidency was the same shallow thinking, his “right side of history” team against the evil bad guys on the other side. He thinks the private sector is behind the government on work/life balance issues? Because his White House staff had to put in 80 hours weeks there are no slackers in the entire federal bureaucracy? Who is he talking to on this stuff?

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    I don't buy Obama the basketball fan any more than I bought Arbusto the brush-clearing ranch hand and I think it's hilarious that this is the thing they settled upon to humanize him.
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  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Vinteuil
    "...its woke of you that you’re using a translation made by a gay man"

    Are you under the impression that James I of England/VI of Scotland translated the version of the bible that bears his name?

    The KJV-Onlyites insist he wasn’t really gay.

    The KJV has faults, but as a work of literature it is first rate. Still, a modern reader of ordinary literary knowledge in 2018, or indeed any time after 1800, will find it confusing. That is probably exactly why the KJV-Onlyites promote it.

    There is also the issue that >99% of the copies of the KJV in the US are incomplete in that they omit the Apocrypha. So obviously , that commandment in Revelations about taking away or adding to the Word of God is not really a thing for most fundies.

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    ...that commandment in Revelations about taking away or adding to the Word of God is not really a thing for most fundies
     
    Though that passage in Revelation is very often misinterpreted: it's only referring to the Book of Revelation, not to the Bible as a whole, so it doesn't really apply to what the fundies are doing.
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  35. Weird how just about every Jewish holiday is about massacring the goyim.

    What other religions celebrate mass under? It’s bizarre. Like a cult of psychopaths. Notice Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don’t have holidays celebrating the attempted genocide of unbelievers. Only the Jews.

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    There's one about the first time you harvest fruit from a particular tree, there's "you made it to the end of the book, now start over," there's Sukkoth which is about smoking pot in "booths" with fruit hanging from the ceiling to commemorate the forty years in the desert, and there's the New Years Sin Reset. And other than that, yes, it's all xenophobic massacre. But the thing to watch is the Orwellian language tricks. Their stock joke about xenophobic massacre feasts is "they tried to kill us [off as a people], they failed [no mention of what happened to them], let's eat."
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    No weirder than Feast Days for saints killed off in gruesome ways. And the rationale for Patronage is downright illogical. For instance, I've been praying to St. Apollonia about my upcoming root canal, but the basis for her sympathy on this point makes me wonder how effectual she can be: pagans knocked all her teeth down her throat.
    , @Autochthon
    How do they reconcile events during the Second World War and it's aftermath? They were, for once, being fairly successfully slaughtered with no end in sight until the overwhelmingly Christian and atheist Americans, British, and Russians saved their bacon. Did their snooty version of God authorise that? Why didn't He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible? Do the these gentiles at least deserve some begrudging respect and thanks for being chosen by their God as the instruments of their liberation and for taking a large swath of land from its Mohammedan inhabitants and bequeathing it to the Jews?

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage (granted, the Egyptians were ostensibly under duress...)? Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?

    I'm very interested in rigorous sociological and psychological research and analysis of Jews' attitudes and understanding of the concept of gratitude. Or even their theoretical attitudes thereto. Anyone have any recommendations?
    , @dilys
    One explanation of all this from the angle of propaganda narrative is advanced by Margaret Barker, a tremendously quirky Bible scholar who sharply differentiates First (Melchizadek) and Second (Moses) Temple Judaism.

    The first of four videos is here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-McdW00M9Y&sns=em
    1 and 2 are a general survey, very accessible. In 3 and 4 she Gets Down To It.

    Bonus: I was unexpectedly moved by the implications of her material as to Jesus’ message.

    YMMV but those who are interested will be very interested.
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  36. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Can't put my finger on it, but something about the legend of Esther reminds me of this...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/eric-trump-says-syria-strike-was-swayed-heartbroken-ivanka-n745021

    Yep, it is the same story, and it happened in the Middle East too. Wouldn’t it have been better if there were just a big old ocean in that part of the world? (Well, maybe not, we’d likely not be here, I suppose.)

    Anyway this is not a time for levity, do you understand what happened to Machine Gun Kelly?

    “I’ll tell you ’bout machine gun kelly
    He rode along the outlaw trail
    Machine gun kelly was a simple man
    But the woman was as hard as hell.

    Watch out machine gun.
    Don’t let her run you ’round.
    Don’t let a woman put you six feet in the ground.
    Machine Gun.

    I’ll tell you ’bout Katherine Kelly,
    tired of being such small time now,
    figured they’d kidnap a rich man’s son
    and make it in the world of crime.

    You’d better watch out Machine Gun Kelly,
    careful of what you do now.
    If you keep listening to your old lady
    ain’t no telling what’ll happen to you now.
    Machine Gun.

    The government boys they came for Machine Gun
    and took the poor boy away.
    They stuck him in a hole in Leavenworth prison
    where he lived until his dying day.

    Watch out Machine Gun.
    Don’t let her put you down.
    Don’t let a woman make you out to be a clown.
    Machine Gun, watch out Machine Gun”

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  37. Where is my Boteach-Booker Purim video? This post is about Purim. I need my video. Come on!

    Please embed the video were in every iSteve post from now until Purim.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQPMKyrEH94

    Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) carries Rabbi Schmuley Boteach in a clown suit.

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  38. anon • Disclaimer says:

    5 Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them.

    6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …

    12 And the king said unto Esther the queen, The Jews have slain and destroyed five hundred men in Shushan the palace, and the ten sons of Haman; what have they done in the rest of the king’s provinces? now what is thy petition? and it shall be granted thee: or what is thy request further? and it shall be done.

    13 Then said Esther, If it please the king, let it be granted to the Jews which are in Shushan to do to morrow also according unto this day’s decree, and let Haman’s ten sons be hanged upon the gallows.

    I bet all those Persians were totally happy they decided to let the Jews live there in the first place.

    They were probably kicking themselves over the fact that Bret Stephens hadn’t been born yet, to warn them.

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    I bet all those Persians were totally happy they decided to let the Jews live there in the first place.
     
    The Persians didn't really "decide to let the Jews live there". The Persians conquered the Babylonian Empire. The Babylonians had conquered Judea and forced the Jews from their homeland.

    So the Jews were already dispersed throughout the Babylonian Empire and living there when the Persians conquered it.

    But the Persians let the Jews go home under Cyrus.
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  39. For a minute there I thought Stephen Miller was going to be Haman.

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  40. @Anon
    Wait... I'm confused.

    Isn't this Esther/Purim story about Jewish nationalism and Judea First?
    It's about Us vs Them. It's not about Jews celebrating foreigners and invaders.
    It's about Jews preserving themselves as a people and culture and harshly punishing traitors and subversive elements.

    Also, the story shows the danger of empire. I means Jews were threatened because they were under imperial Persian rule.

    Fast forward to today.
    Globalism is imperialist.
    Nationalism means the US minds its own business. It means the US does not fight Wars for Israel and 'haman-izes' entire nations in the Middle East. Those wars were more about 'haman smites' than 'human rights'. Just ask 100,000s of Iraqis killed by Clinton and Albright.

    Also, mass immigration into the US and EU means the haman-ization of the native/existing population to be replaced by new hordes. Globalism is a two-way-street empire. US military, dollar supremacism, media empire, and PC conquer the world, and in turn, the West is demographically conquered by the world. It destroys much of the Third World, and it destroys the West. The only people who remain above the fray are the globalist elites who got their power and privilege in the elysium-like cities.

    It is nationalism that strives to stop the US from more destructive imperialist ventures. It is nationalism that tries to preserve the people and culture of a nation from foreign mass invasion.

    The Persians in the modern world are Jewish globalists whose manipulations have not only led to destruction of entire Muslim nations but mass invasion of Western nations.

    But what chutzpah for her talk as if the US belongs to her kind and darling illegals. No one else matters.

    When terminology is corrupted, nothing makes sense. Once, 'American' meant people with historical roots in America or those who went through the process of naturalization in good faith.
    It had both historical/cultural and legal basis.
    But now, the term means 'anyone who wants to come to America'.
    So, when many politicians ponder the question, "what can I do for Americans?", they don't think of historical Americans(mainly white, black, and Indian) or naturalized immigrants but the illegals and billions of wanna-be-Americans. The 'dream' of wanting to come to America means more to these hack politicians than the reality of being an American... just like neo-feminism favors the dream of a man wanting to be a 'woman' than the reality of women who are women.

    Dream, dream, dream, fantasy, fantasy, fantasy. I guess it's just more FUN than humdrum good ole reality. Having lost God, the new goddites want to believe in something MORE than the real and factual.

    There are two ways to lose God.

    1. Accept the reality and work with what you have. Be empirical and rational.

    2. Feeling empty and hollow in absence of spiritual faith, look for the fantastic in the real world. So, if there really are men and women, go beyond the fact by fantasizing that men can be women AND women can be men. Or, believe that national identity has nothing to do with roots or laws but instead just with the Dream.

    So many progs are #2. It goes to show that they were emotionally unprepared to lose God. They like to think of themselves as educated and rational, but they still have this need to BELIEVE. Since they feel themselves to be too smart for religion, they've 'spiritualized' the real world with fantastic notions.

    Since they feel themselves to be too smart for religion, they’ve ‘spiritualized’ the real world with fantastic notions.

    Are you sure that you’re not hoisted by your own petard? Dawkins got pwned, maybe you did, too.

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-4.html

    “Universalism, in my opinion, is best described as a mystery cult of power.

    “It’s a cult of power because one critical stage in its replicative lifecycle is a little critter called the State. When we look at the big U’s surface proteins, we notice that most of them can be explained by its need to capture, retain, and maintain the State, and direct its powers toward the creation of conditions that favor the continued replication of Universalism. It’s as hard to imagine Universalism without the State as malaria without the mosquito.

    “It’s a mystery cult because it displaces theistic traditions by replacing metaphysical superstitions with philosophical mysteries, such as humanity, progress, equality, democracy, justice, environment, community, peace, etc.

    “None of these concepts, as defined in orthodox Universalist doctrine, is even slightly coherent. All can absorb arbitrary mental energy without producing any rational thought. In this they are best compared to Plotinian, Talmudic, or Scholastic nonsense. …”

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  41. anon • Disclaimer says:

    In the story, we meet Ahasuerus, king of Persia — who may or may not be modeled after Xerxes I.

    Wouldn’t the fact that he may or may not have been “modeled after” someone be an acknowledgement that this is a work of fiction?

    The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they’ve always been, but were they so persecuted that they could just use real examples of persecution, instead of making up examples of persecution that never really happened? Apparently not.

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    Well, once you hear the words "female rabbi" why would you think she thinks about Esther as history or about the Tanakh as something to be, you know, believed? "Female rabbi" is like "Church of England [anything]."
    , @Lot
    "The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they’ve always been"

    What I see a lot of here are some of the whiniest anti-Semites on the internet, and lacking the most basic familiarity with the Bible and ancient history. "Jews have been oppressors for thousands of years, wahhhh!"

    Jeez Louise, give me the hard core but at least intelligent and sometimes entertaining and scholarly Revilo Oliver over retards like Svigor here who think Jews were under Persian rule because they *immigrated there.*

    PS: If you want an actual example of diaspora Jews engaged in mass killing that isn't a 2500 year old fairy tale, here you go:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    The 460,000 Roman death toll Wikipedia reports seems implausibly high, but not impossible.

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  42. @J.Ross
    For how long has this been a routine precaution?

    Since the Democrats and the Media have been the same people.

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  43. @bartok
    Where is my Boteach-Booker Purim video? This post is about Purim. I need my video. Come on!

    Please embed the video were in every iSteve post from now until Purim.

    Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) carries Rabbi Schmuley Boteach in a clown suit.

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    I can't decide whether I now want to see the videos of Boteach celebrating Purim at Michael Jackson's house, or if it would give me nightmares.

    Either way, that's a pretty crappy clown suit. I would expect better from the people who run the media due to their high IQs.
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  44. @Barnard
    I think @Almost Missouri is right about the reason the comments were kept off the record. Obviously someone was unconcerned enough to leak the speech to Reason.

    Obama's blind spot when confronting problems either created or made worse by people he considers allies is comically large. Why does the NCAA continue the way it does? Perhaps the reason is that between the NCAA and its member schools, they are making billions of dollars a year tax free. Another big factor is that the public likes college basketball and the NCAA Tournament a lot more than they like the NBA development league. Did he ever think during eight years in office to send a message to his friends in higher education that they need to get this worked out or they were risking losing their tax exemptions?

    His entire Presidency was the same shallow thinking, his "right side of history" team against the evil bad guys on the other side. He thinks the private sector is behind the government on work/life balance issues? Because his White House staff had to put in 80 hours weeks there are no slackers in the entire federal bureaucracy? Who is he talking to on this stuff?

    I don’t buy Obama the basketball fan any more than I bought Arbusto the brush-clearing ranch hand and I think it’s hilarious that this is the thing they settled upon to humanize him.

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    His brother in law was a Division I head coach before he failed up to a front office job with the Knicks. Obama legitimately is a basketball fan he just doesn't understand the problems with the NCAA better than any other issue he dealt with as President.
    , @Clifford Brown
    Come on, is it really so hard to believe that Obama might be a basketball fan?
    , @David G
    Basketball seems to be popular among the educated mulatto class— I suspect it lets them indulge both their nerdiness and desire to be seen as legitimately black.
    , @Coemgen
    Arbusto? Hilarious! Why haven't I heard this before?
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  45. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQPMKyrEH94

    Senator Cory Booker (D-NJ) carries Rabbi Schmuley Boteach in a clown suit.

    I can’t decide whether I now want to see the videos of Boteach celebrating Purim at Michael Jackson’s house, or if it would give me nightmares.

    Either way, that’s a pretty crappy clown suit. I would expect better from the people who run the media due to their high IQs.

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  46. @Prince The Purple One
    Weird how just about every Jewish holiday is about massacring the goyim.

    What other religions celebrate mass under? It’s bizarre. Like a cult of psychopaths. Notice Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don’t have holidays celebrating the attempted genocide of unbelievers. Only the Jews.

    There’s one about the first time you harvest fruit from a particular tree, there’s “you made it to the end of the book, now start over,” there’s Sukkoth which is about smoking pot in “booths” with fruit hanging from the ceiling to commemorate the forty years in the desert, and there’s the New Years Sin Reset. And other than that, yes, it’s all xenophobic massacre. But the thing to watch is the Orwellian language tricks. Their stock joke about xenophobic massacre feasts is “they tried to kill us [off as a people], they failed [no mention of what happened to them], let’s eat.”

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    I thought Sukkoh is a harvest festival commemorating the last time jews did any kind of productive physical labor.
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  47. @Big Bill
    We goyim are all Haman's sons. We are all Amalek. The guilt of the father shall be visited upon the sons.

    This guy gets it. This is why Trump’s early pitch to Jewish donors was more brilliant than anyone will ever give it credit for being: he demonstrated that they don’t want friends.

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  48. @International Jew
    I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes' son Cyrus, and just as Cyrus let the Jews return home to the Land of Israel, so verily shalt Trump return the dreamers to their homelands where they may flourish in their own way.

    Indeed! I may be mixing up stories, but per Exodus, could one of the Dreamers not temporarily dry up the Rio Grand … maybe via increased agricultural allotments arranged miraculously by a guy named Mosé?

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  49. When Mordechai, a Jew, refuses to bow down to Haman, the aide decides to “do away with all the Jews” in the kingdom as revenge.

    We demand to be allowed to live in your realm. Also, we refuse to abide by your customs.

    I’m guessing Mordechai’s behavior was more of a last straw type of thing.

    Maybe “do away with” only wound up in the Jewish version of the story that way. I could easily see “send them packing, they’ve worn out their welcome” being what was really said.

    Ahasuerus’s second wife, Esther, was a closeted Jew. As Haman’s plot came to light, Mordechai visited her to persuade her to lobby on behalf of her people. …

    Crypto Jew subversives…the tale is a very old one…

    Esther was willing to step up and even act “contrary to the law” on behalf of her people.

    Nothing new there…

    6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …

    Gov’t Jews more loyal to their tribe than to the gov’t they ostensibly served…

    Protip: it’s much quicker to name the Jewish holidays that don’t celebrate the anniversary of some great slaughter or misdeed on the part of Jews or G-d.

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    Actually, I think they were descended from the Babylonian captivity and Persians took over the territory at some point. Neither Nebuchadnezzar nor Xerxes (if that's who it's supposed to be) seems to have been horrible, as conquerors go: it sounds like smart, loyal people could go pretty far (Daniel, Mardochai) in the local government. They certainly got off easier than Melos or Carthage, or, for that matter, anyone in the path of Joshua's army.
    , @anonymous
    dude are you gay? why this obsession with tough masculine Jews?

    if you are gay please shut up about tough masculine Jews, it is creepy.

    , @Ian M.
    You need to familiarize yourself with basic Biblical knowledge (you could read the Book of Esther, and also the Book of Daniel and the Book of Kings; but really, a children's Bible story book would probably suffice) before shooting your mouth off. You don't know what you're talking about.

    I’m guessing Mordechai’s behavior was more of a last straw type of thing.
     
    You mean the fact that he saved the king from a plot to assassinate him?
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  50. @International Jew
    I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes' son Cyrus, and just as Cyrus let the Jews return home to the Land of Israel, so verily shalt Trump return the dreamers to their homelands where they may flourish in their own way.

    Exactly my reaction, Trump is not Ahasuerus, but Cyrus the Great. Trump has not only permitted the return of the Jewish Capital to Jerusalem, but he is pursuing a policy consistent with Cyrus the Great of letting The Exiles return to their ancestral lands.

    I have roused him up in victory, and I make level all his ways; he shall build My city, and he shall let Mine exiles go free, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts. Isaiah 45:13

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  51. @J.Ross
    I don't buy Obama the basketball fan any more than I bought Arbusto the brush-clearing ranch hand and I think it's hilarious that this is the thing they settled upon to humanize him.

    His brother in law was a Division I head coach before he failed up to a front office job with the Knicks. Obama legitimately is a basketball fan he just doesn’t understand the problems with the NCAA better than any other issue he dealt with as President.

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  52. Lib urban rich Jews hate hate hate Israel

    No they don’t. They don’t pretend to, either.

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  53. @Ivy
    Bar likely ate fewer of these Purim cookies than Monica did.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamantash

    Bar likely ate fewer of these Purim cookies than Monica did.

    Monica didn’t just eat the ear.

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  54. Then again, I know several NeoCon Jews who are outraged that Israel is giving the boot to Sub-Saharan invaders. These are rabid pro-2nd Amendment (“never again!”) and AIPAC funders who seem to seriously believe some Bantus are legitimate Jews. Never underestimate stupidity.

    Maybe they’re outwitting you? The chance that their position will affect Israel is nil, but they get the fig leaf of “consistency.”

    “I’ve spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.”

    Wouldn’t the fact that he may or may not have been “modeled after” someone be an acknowledgement that this is a work of fiction?

    The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they’ve always been, but were they so persecuted that they could just use real examples of persecution, instead of making up examples of persecution that never really happened? Apparently not.

    Sometimes scribes couched non-fiction as fiction to avoid the wrath of TPTB.

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  55. @J.Ross
    I don't buy Obama the basketball fan any more than I bought Arbusto the brush-clearing ranch hand and I think it's hilarious that this is the thing they settled upon to humanize him.

    Come on, is it really so hard to believe that Obama might be a basketball fan?

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    I believe Obama is a basketball fan.
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  56. @anon

    In the story, we meet Ahasuerus, king of Persia — who may or may not be modeled after Xerxes I.
     
    Wouldn't the fact that he may or may not have been "modeled after" someone be an acknowledgement that this is a work of fiction?

    The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they've always been, but were they so persecuted that they could just use real examples of persecution, instead of making up examples of persecution that never really happened? Apparently not.

    Well, once you hear the words “female rabbi” why would you think she thinks about Esther as history or about the Tanakh as something to be, you know, believed? “Female rabbi” is like “Church of England [anything].”

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  57. @J.Ross
    If more normies are going to learn about Purim then that's good for our side.

    OT Obama's Secret Speech
    On Friday, former President Barack Obama spoke for an hour to an audience of hundreds of people at a major sports policy conference at MIT, but his remarks were off-the-record and kept completely secret by virtually all attendees, who had to agree that they would not record, photograph, tweet, or report on the event before being granted a seat in the audience. Reason obtained a recording of the speech, however, and the most newsworthy thing about it is the simple fact that the public wasn't supposed to hear it.
    "We didn’t have a scandal that embarrassed us," said the former president.
    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/26/barack-obama-mit-sloan-sports

    Why did Obama refuse to say this on the record?

    Trump is getting the “Haman Treatment” from the NBA.

    Stephen Curry is right. No team should visit Trump’s White House

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/opinions/trump-warriors-white-house-opinion-moore/

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    Haman treatment deserves expansion. The massacre is only the end of the story. The major part of the story (which serves as a primer for dealing with sub-Jews) is in using injury and ridicule to kill your own empathy, lest you sympathize with an outsider and unintentionally threaten the purity of the tribe. This has everything to do with Jewish efforts at satire and mockery. Haman is not just defeated or killed, he is utterly destroyed psychologically, and noise-makers and group response drowns out any danger of thinking of him as human. There is no way that Haman praising Mordecai while leading his donkey was totally out of Seth Smirkomega's mind as he recounted to NPR in his feminine voice about surprising Trump with targeted insults at an Obama-era press dinner.
    , @Corn
    Sometimes I think the US should be like many other democracies and have power vested in a Prime Minister or Speaker of the House. Let the President do the ceremonial and PR work.
    If I was President I wouldn’t give a good damn whether some NBA team came to the White House or not. If I ran for President it wouldn’t be because I wanted to entertain sportsball teams.
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  58. @Clifford Brown
    Come on, is it really so hard to believe that Obama might be a basketball fan?

    I believe Obama is a basketball fan.

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    Obama's steam-powered shotgun has poisoned my innocence.
    I believe Jack Nicholson is a basketball fan because he could he literally anywhere he wants but chooses to watch the Lakers as often as possible.
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  59. So, what we are we up to by now in the Purim story, about 75,810 dead bodies?

    Lay off, Steve, it’s just a story.

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    Very interesting choice of phrasing.
    , @Anonym
    Lay off, Steve, it’s just a story.

    Rabbi Ruttenberg seems to be the one taking it a little too seriously. This is basically "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" type talk. Maybe the Secret Service can seek some clarification.
    , @El Dato
    Also, the extermination deed sound a bit exaggerated, it's probably just about 758. Jews like to brag like that.

    “Nurture the Wow"

    Doge: Secretly Jewish.
    , @silviosilver
    Whether it happened or just a story is surely secondary to the fact that they are celebrating slaughter, isn't it? If it were any other group of people in the world doing this, what do you suppose Jews would have to say about it?

    And, lol, I don't even want to think of the Jewish hysteria that would be generated if the slaughter being celebrated was that of Jews. Imagine Egyptians, say, annoyed at Joseph's infiltration of their government, were in the habit of celebrating the death of every firstborn Jew, of Jews being overrun by plagues of frogs etc, before Joseph and his henchmen were finally expelled from the land. Would Jews keep quiet about that or would they denounce it, and demand the doctrine were repudiated?
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  60. Has anyone at all read the Bible? Jews were conquered and enslaved and deported to Babylon by the Neo Babylonian Empire itself defeated and conquered by the Persians. They were not immigrants but forced labor.

    SOP for the Ancient World. Jews being small and weak as a people were regularly conquer ed and deported. Same for many others same period.

    Forced labor was wealth.

    Jeez many here seem max age fifteen.

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  61. @Steve Sailer
    I believe Obama is a basketball fan.

    Obama’s steam-powered shotgun has poisoned my innocence.
    I believe Jack Nicholson is a basketball fan because he could he literally anywhere he wants but chooses to watch the Lakers as often as possible.

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  62. @Rosamond Vincy
    29 Queen Esther also, fearing the danger that was at hand, had recourse to the Lord. 30 And when she had laid away her royal apparel, she put on garments suitable for weeping and mourning: instead of divers precious ointments, she covered her head with ashes and dung, and she humbled her body with fasts: and all the places in which before she was accustomed to rejoice, she filled with her torn hair. 31 And she prayed to the Lord the God of Israel, saying: O my Lord, who alone art our king, help me a desolate woman, and who have no other helper but thee. 32 My danger is in my hands. 33 I have heard of my father that thou, O Lord, didst take Israel from among all nations, and our fathers from all their predecessors, to possess them as an everlasting inheritance, and thou hast done to them as thou hast promised. 34 We have sinned in thy sight, and therefore thou hast delivered us into the hands of our enemies: 35 For we have worshipped their gods. Thou art just, O Lord. 36 And now they are not content to oppress us with most hard bondage, but attributing the strength of their hands to the power of their idols, 37 They design to change thy promises, and destroy thy inheritance, and shut the mouths of them that praise thee, and extinguish the glory of thy temple and altar, 38 That they may open the mouths of Gentiles, and praise the strength of idols, and magnify for ever a carnal king. 39 Give not, O Lord, thy sceptre to them that are not, lest they laugh at our ruin: but turn their counsel upon themselves, and destroy him that hath begun to rage against us. 40 Remember, O Lord, and shew thyself to us in the time of our tribulation, and give me boldness, O Lord, king of gods, and of all power: 41 Give me a well ordered speech in my mouth in the presence of the lion, and turn his heart to the hatred of our enemy, that both he himself may perish, and the rest that consent to him. 42 But deliver us by thy hand, and help me, who have no other helper, but thee, O Lord, who hast the knowledge of all things. 43 And thou knowest that I hate the glory of the wicked, and abhor the bed of the uncircumcised, and of every stranger. 44 Thou knowest my necessity, that I abominate the sign of my pride and glory, which is upon my head in the days of my public appearance, and detest it as a menstruous rag, and wear it not in the days of my silence, 45 And that I have not eaten at Aman's table, nor hath the king's banquet pleased me, and that I have not drunk the wine of the drink offerings: 46 And that thy handmaid hath never rejoiced, since I was brought hither unto this day, but in thee, O Lord, the God of Abraham.

    43 And thou knowest that I hate the glory of the wicked, and abhor the bed of the uncircumcised, and of every stranger. 44 Thou knowest my necessity, that I abominate the sign of my pride and glory, which is upon my head in the days of my public appearance, and detest it as a menstruous rag, and wear it not in the days of my silence, 45 And that I have not eaten at Aman’s table, nor hath the king’s banquet pleased me, and that I have not drunk the wine of the drink offerings: 46 And that thy handmaid hath never rejoiced, since I was brought hither unto this day, but in thee, O Lord, the God of Abraham.

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks…

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    Well, we don't know much about the personal attractions, or lack there of, of Assuerus. Bear in mind that Henry VIII was considered a handsome and charming man--when he was young.
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  63. @International Jew

    So, what we are we up to by now in the Purim story, about 75,810 dead bodies?
     
    Lay off, Steve, it's just a story.

    Very interesting choice of phrasing.

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    Not really.
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  64. @Clifford Brown
    Trump is getting the "Haman Treatment" from the NBA.

    Stephen Curry is right. No team should visit Trump's White House
     
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/opinions/trump-warriors-white-house-opinion-moore/

    Haman treatment deserves expansion. The massacre is only the end of the story. The major part of the story (which serves as a primer for dealing with sub-Jews) is in using injury and ridicule to kill your own empathy, lest you sympathize with an outsider and unintentionally threaten the purity of the tribe. This has everything to do with Jewish efforts at satire and mockery. Haman is not just defeated or killed, he is utterly destroyed psychologically, and noise-makers and group response drowns out any danger of thinking of him as human. There is no way that Haman praising Mordecai while leading his donkey was totally out of Seth Smirkomega’s mind as he recounted to NPR in his feminine voice about surprising Trump with targeted insults at an Obama-era press dinner.

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  65. OT: “Unveiled by the [Irish] government last week with a commitment to spend €116 billion, the document outlines plans to boost the Irish nation’s 4.7 million population by another million using mass migration.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/02/24/irish-mass-migration/

    Ireland achieved independence from Britain in 1922. Now it plans to obtain independence from Ireland.

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    Five years ago Sinn Féin put forward their first candidate of color.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/edmond-lukusa-will-run-for-election-for-sinn-fein-in-2014-1198380-Nov2013/
    Much dry humor:

    Sinn Féin’s reputation preceded them in Lukusa’s case, as he had already heard of the party before landing in Ireland in 2001. He says that his experience from back home will help him.
     
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  66. @Bill P

    43 And thou knowest that I hate the glory of the wicked, and abhor the bed of the uncircumcised, and of every stranger. 44 Thou knowest my necessity, that I abominate the sign of my pride and glory, which is upon my head in the days of my public appearance, and detest it as a menstruous rag, and wear it not in the days of my silence, 45 And that I have not eaten at Aman’s table, nor hath the king’s banquet pleased me, and that I have not drunk the wine of the drink offerings: 46 And that thy handmaid hath never rejoiced, since I was brought hither unto this day, but in thee, O Lord, the God of Abraham.
     
    The lady doth protest too much, methinks...

    Well, we don’t know much about the personal attractions, or lack there of, of Assuerus. Bear in mind that Henry VIII was considered a handsome and charming man–when he was young.

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    I think this picture tells the tale rather well.
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  67. @Prince The Purple One
    Weird how just about every Jewish holiday is about massacring the goyim.

    What other religions celebrate mass under? It’s bizarre. Like a cult of psychopaths. Notice Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don’t have holidays celebrating the attempted genocide of unbelievers. Only the Jews.

    No weirder than Feast Days for saints killed off in gruesome ways. And the rationale for Patronage is downright illogical. For instance, I’ve been praying to St. Apollonia about my upcoming root canal, but the basis for her sympathy on this point makes me wonder how effectual she can be: pagans knocked all her teeth down her throat.

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  68. Having borders and enforcing immigration laws = slaughtering Jews. Of course. Glad the JEWISH AS FUCK media spelled it out for us.

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  69. @Svigor

    When Mordechai, a Jew, refuses to bow down to Haman, the aide decides to “do away with all the Jews” in the kingdom as revenge.
     
    We demand to be allowed to live in your realm. Also, we refuse to abide by your customs.

    I'm guessing Mordechai's behavior was more of a last straw type of thing.

    Maybe "do away with" only wound up in the Jewish version of the story that way. I could easily see "send them packing, they've worn out their welcome" being what was really said.

    Ahasuerus’s second wife, Esther, was a closeted Jew. As Haman’s plot came to light, Mordechai visited her to persuade her to lobby on behalf of her people. …
     
    Crypto Jew subversives...the tale is a very old one...

    Esther was willing to step up and even act “contrary to the law” on behalf of her people.
     
    Nothing new there...

    6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …
     
    Gov't Jews more loyal to their tribe than to the gov't they ostensibly served...

    Protip: it's much quicker to name the Jewish holidays that don't celebrate the anniversary of some great slaughter or misdeed on the part of Jews or G-d.

    Actually, I think they were descended from the Babylonian captivity and Persians took over the territory at some point. Neither Nebuchadnezzar nor Xerxes (if that’s who it’s supposed to be) seems to have been horrible, as conquerors go: it sounds like smart, loyal people could go pretty far (Daniel, Mardochai) in the local government. They certainly got off easier than Melos or Carthage, or, for that matter, anyone in the path of Joshua’s army.

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    The story was set around the peak of Persian power, when it included Egypt, Syria, Judea, and was a constant threat to Greece.
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  70. http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/162056975

    video:

    Foreign electoral interference!
    Jon Oliver has made a video telling Italians how to vote, admonishing them to not support the currently surging rightist Lega!

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    Has there ever been a more annoying and unfunny talk show host than Job Oliver? Anywhere on earth? Ever? Even Trevor Noah isn't quite as annoying, and that's saying a lot.
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  71. @anony-mouse
    At least it makes some sense why Jews should be interested in the Book of Esther. But Steve, if you dislike it so much, why is it in your church?

    But its woke of you that you're using a translation made by a gay man.

    King James didn’t do the translation himself. He organized and funded a group of scholars who did the translation.

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  72. @Whiskey
    Lib urban rich Jews hate hate hate Israel to fit in with Keith Ellison and Kamal Harris more than say, Erdogan.

    It's all about ruling class.

    Can you supply the names of a few of these rich Jews who hate, hate, hate Israel?

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    Noam Chomsky.
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  73. Did the Persian King Ahasuerus actually exist? If so, are there any historical records of some immigrant nomads murdering 75,8000 Persians?

    Or is it like Moses and David, no written or archeological records exist other than the Bible?

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    Makes one wonder if other persecution stories are fabricated.
    , @Ian M.

    Did the Persian King Ahasuerus actually exist?
     
    He's usually identified with King Xerxes I.

    If so, are there any historical records of some immigrant nomads murdering 75,8000 Persians?
     
    I wouldn't take many of the numbers in the Bible literally. For one, they often have symbolic or numerological meanings. For two, I've read that the words used for numbers in ancient Hebrew can be rather imprecise and are sometimes thought to mean different things. For example (going from memory, so I might have the specific example or details wrong), I've read that some scholars think the word used for 'thousand' in some spots in the Bible might instead refer to 'company' or 'chief'. (Whether or not that might apply to the Esther account I have no idea).

    I also don't think it was Persians that the Jews slaughtered. And the Jews weren't immigrants. They were captives.

    Or is it like Moses and David, no written or archeological records exist other than the Bible?
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#History_and_archeology
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  74. @Svigor

    When Mordechai, a Jew, refuses to bow down to Haman, the aide decides to “do away with all the Jews” in the kingdom as revenge.
     
    We demand to be allowed to live in your realm. Also, we refuse to abide by your customs.

    I'm guessing Mordechai's behavior was more of a last straw type of thing.

    Maybe "do away with" only wound up in the Jewish version of the story that way. I could easily see "send them packing, they've worn out their welcome" being what was really said.

    Ahasuerus’s second wife, Esther, was a closeted Jew. As Haman’s plot came to light, Mordechai visited her to persuade her to lobby on behalf of her people. …
     
    Crypto Jew subversives...the tale is a very old one...

    Esther was willing to step up and even act “contrary to the law” on behalf of her people.
     
    Nothing new there...

    6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …
     
    Gov't Jews more loyal to their tribe than to the gov't they ostensibly served...

    Protip: it's much quicker to name the Jewish holidays that don't celebrate the anniversary of some great slaughter or misdeed on the part of Jews or G-d.

    dude are you gay? why this obsession with tough masculine Jews?

    if you are gay please shut up about tough masculine Jews, it is creepy.

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    I like that homophobia becomes permissible when it becomes necessary to shut it down.
    , @Pericles
    lol it's the gay creeper again
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  75. @anony-mouse
    At least it makes some sense why Jews should be interested in the Book of Esther. But Steve, if you dislike it so much, why is it in your church?

    But its woke of you that you're using a translation made by a gay man.

    The best translation, in my humble opinion:

    Da Jesus Book: Hawaii Pidgin New Testament

    Da king tell Queen Esther, “Da Jews wen kill 500 guys awready inside da strong walls Susa town. Dey wen kill Haman ten boys too. Wat dey do inside my odda districks? Now, wat odda ting you like? Wateva you aks, I give um to you!” Esther tell, “If you tink az good, let da Jews inside Susa do da same ting tomorrow too, an let dem hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies on top poses.” So da king make one mo rule fo inside Susa town, fo hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies.

    Da Jews inside Susa wen come togedda one mo time on March 8, an dey kill 300 mo guys inside Susa town, but dey no take dea stuffs. Da same time, da odda Jews inside da king’s districks wen come togedda fo take care demself, fo no let da guys dat hate dem bodda dem no moa. Dey kill 75,000 guys, but dey no take dea stuffs. Dey do dis on March 7. Den March 8, dey res, an make big party an stay feel real good inside.

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    Dear God, is that even real? I mean, for realz?

    Actually makes that sordid OT readable. Almost.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
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  76. @J.Ross
    OT An "Assault Weapons" Ban attempt? Do they not recall 1994? I guess that's it for the blue wave.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/375659-dems-introduce-assault-weapons-ban

    I don’t know for sure on this. The demographics have changed a lot since 1994. It seems the newcomers don’t really like the 2nd amendment. Perhaps this will work in our favor if it causes a significant portion of the 40% of brain-dead, democrat-voting whites to switch to our side.

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    "We need to talk about phones."
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  77. @Rosamond Vincy
    Well, we don't know much about the personal attractions, or lack there of, of Assuerus. Bear in mind that Henry VIII was considered a handsome and charming man--when he was young.

    I think this picture tells the tale rather well.

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    I doubt either was so attractive in real life. They were probably 4'11" with bad teeth.
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  78. @International Jew
    I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes' son Cyrus, and just as Cyrus let the Jews return home to the Land of Israel, so verily shalt Trump return the dreamers to their homelands where they may flourish in their own way.

    I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes’ son Cyrus

    I don’t think Xerxes had a son named Cyrus. Cyrus the Great who Trump seems to be channeling preceded Xerxes by over half a century.

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    So what's the deal, Esther and Mordechai lived after the return to Israel under Ezra and Nehemiah?
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  79. @Prince The Purple One
    Weird how just about every Jewish holiday is about massacring the goyim.

    What other religions celebrate mass under? It’s bizarre. Like a cult of psychopaths. Notice Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don’t have holidays celebrating the attempted genocide of unbelievers. Only the Jews.

    How do they reconcile events during the Second World War and it’s aftermath? They were, for once, being fairly successfully slaughtered with no end in sight until the overwhelmingly Christian and atheist Americans, British, and Russians saved their bacon. Did their snooty version of God authorise that? Why didn’t He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible? Do the these gentiles at least deserve some begrudging respect and thanks for being chosen by their God as the instruments of their liberation and for taking a large swath of land from its Mohammedan inhabitants and bequeathing it to the Jews?

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage (granted, the Egyptians were ostensibly under duress…)? Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?

    I’m very interested in rigorous sociological and psychological research and analysis of Jews’ attitudes and understanding of the concept of gratitude. Or even their theoretical attitudes thereto. Anyone have any recommendations?

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    Add to that the question of gratitude to Westeen European nation-states for opening their doors to Jews to allow them to escape from "pogroms."
    , @Ian M.

    Why didn’t He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible?
     
    Well, most Jews are secular. Your question would really only apply to Orthodox Jews. For one viewpoint from an Orthodox Jew, I would recommend Michael Wyschogrod's The Body of Faith.

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage... ?
     
    The Babylonians did not release the Jews from bondage.

    Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?
     
    Cyrus the Great was honored by the Jews for freeing them and is greatly praised in the Bible.
    , @Anonymous
    It's still too soon to assess this issue dispassionately, but I'm sure the consensus among Jews in centuries to come will be that the Holocaust was divine punishment for so many of them renouncing their religion in the 20th century.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How do they reconcile events during the Second World War and it’s aftermath? They were, for once, being fairly successfully slaughtered with no end in sight until the overwhelmingly Christian and atheist Americans, British, and Russians saved their bacon. Did their snooty version of God authorise that? Why didn’t He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible?
     
    Damn, wish I caught your comment earlier, but here’s a similar reason why Harry Potter and Hogwarts are problematic. From the Boston Globe:

    Why the Jewish students at Hogwarts have to be invisible

    … The more inclusive the Potterverse gets, the less believable it is. Consider this: If there were Jews with wizard powers — any at all — would they have actually just sat out the Holocaust? Was keeping the wizarding world secret and unencumbered by the affairs of Muggles actually worth letting Hitler kill their nonmagical relatives?
     
    You wrote:

    I’m very interested in rigorous sociological and psychological research and analysis of Jews’ attitudes and understanding of the concept of gratitude. Or even their theoretical attitudes thereto. Anyone have any recommendations?
     
    Offhand, this is all I could come up with:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJ5e70Q8mw
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  80. @International Jew

    So, what we are we up to by now in the Purim story, about 75,810 dead bodies?
     
    Lay off, Steve, it's just a story.

    Lay off, Steve, it’s just a story.

    Rabbi Ruttenberg seems to be the one taking it a little too seriously. This is basically “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?” type talk. Maybe the Secret Service can seek some clarification.

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  81. @Whiskey
    Lib urban rich Jews hate hate hate Israel to fit in with Keith Ellison and Kamal Harris more than say, Erdogan.

    It's all about ruling class.

    Actually, left-wing Jewish persons do not “hate hate hate” Israel. (But if you insist on living in a fantasy world, I suppose no one can stop you.) According to Norman Podhoretz, 78% of Jewish persons have voted Democratic in presidential elections since 1928. Do you think 78% of our Jewish friends hate the modern state of Israel?

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    It's surprising how wide spread this belief is on the naive right, that liberal jews are somehow "anti-israel". Liberal jews are less anti-israel than Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter are anti-American. If liberal white gentile Americans were as anti-American as these liberal jews are anti-israel we'd have a white ethnostate with armed borders already.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    According to Norman Podhoretz, 78% of Jewish persons have voted Democratic in presidential elections since 1928.
     
    That's not hating Israel. That's hating America.
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  82. @Bill P
    I think this picture tells the tale rather well.

    I doubt either was so attractive in real life. They were probably 4’11″ with bad teeth.

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    There is no reason to assume that upper-class people with access to plenty of meat would have been stunted and deformed. There were a lot of tall pre-modern people. Cro-Magnon men were typically over 6', as was the Emperor Commodus; Charlemagne was 6-4, Peter the Great was 6-8, the singer Farinelli was 6-3 (admittedly because he was a castrato), Abraham Lincoln and Winfield Scott were 6-4 and 6-5. Ramses the Great was a fairly respectable 5-7, same as Putin.
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  83. There don’t seem to be any Persian records of a King Ahasuerus. Are there any Persian records of a nomad immigrant group slaughtering 75,800 Persians somewhere between 700 and 300 BC.? Somehow I doubt it.

    Like Moses and Solomon and David, there are no other historical records of Esther and the slaughter of 75,800 Persians anywhere than in that collection of myths and fables known as the Hebrew bible.

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    I always liked the bit about fleeing from the Egyptian Empire to a province of the Egyptian Empire, that's more miraculous than parting the sea.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    And yet many people call Jesus "Son of David" in that collection of eternal truths called the New Testament. Jesus is seen with Moses and Elijah during the Transfiguration. Jesus says Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like the lilies of the field.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels, even if the characters aren't terribly lovable. Kinda like Star Wars.
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  84. @J.Ross
    There's one about the first time you harvest fruit from a particular tree, there's "you made it to the end of the book, now start over," there's Sukkoth which is about smoking pot in "booths" with fruit hanging from the ceiling to commemorate the forty years in the desert, and there's the New Years Sin Reset. And other than that, yes, it's all xenophobic massacre. But the thing to watch is the Orwellian language tricks. Their stock joke about xenophobic massacre feasts is "they tried to kill us [off as a people], they failed [no mention of what happened to them], let's eat."

    I thought Sukkoh is a harvest festival commemorating the last time jews did any kind of productive physical labor.

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  85. @International Jew

    So, what we are we up to by now in the Purim story, about 75,810 dead bodies?
     
    Lay off, Steve, it's just a story.

    Also, the extermination deed sound a bit exaggerated, it’s probably just about 758. Jews like to brag like that.

    “Nurture the Wow”

    Doge: Secretly Jewish.

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  86. If there is one thing you can be sure that God really hates, it is the perversion of Sacred Scripture to subserve the needs of modern social-ethical cant. The towering pride required to lay violent hands on God’s revelation is far more contemptible in His eyes than all the greed, murder, and fornication of the intemperate; for this is no mere offense against human bodies, the Spirit of God Himself is greatly grieved and dishonored thereby.

    Such poison as this is only to be found among the Jews and the Novus Ordo Catholics, the only groups wherein there still inheres an element of Tradition to desecrate. Protestants, for all their sola scriptura baloney, are incapable of reading the Bible with the requisite depth to distort it so thoroughly, and are perhaps spared by invincible ignorance from the torments that await these others, who really ought to have known better.

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  87. So basically the Old Testament Jews got government sanction to preemptively kill all the Old Testament “NAZIs”.

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  88. OT: Anyone know what’s up with Z Man’s blog? It’s been down since this morning.

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    No problems for me here in the UK
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  89. @bartok

    Since they feel themselves to be too smart for religion, they’ve ‘spiritualized’ the real world with fantastic notions.
     
    Are you sure that you're not hoisted by your own petard? Dawkins got pwned, maybe you did, too.

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-4.html

    "Universalism, in my opinion, is best described as a mystery cult of power.

    "It's a cult of power because one critical stage in its replicative lifecycle is a little critter called the State. When we look at the big U's surface proteins, we notice that most of them can be explained by its need to capture, retain, and maintain the State, and direct its powers toward the creation of conditions that favor the continued replication of Universalism. It's as hard to imagine Universalism without the State as malaria without the mosquito.

    "It's a mystery cult because it displaces theistic traditions by replacing metaphysical superstitions with philosophical mysteries, such as humanity, progress, equality, democracy, justice, environment, community, peace, etc.

    "None of these concepts, as defined in orthodox Universalist doctrine, is even slightly coherent. All can absorb arbitrary mental energy without producing any rational thought. In this they are best compared to Plotinian, Talmudic, or Scholastic nonsense. ..."

    I thought scholasticism was the beginning of the scientific method. Maybe I’m wrong.

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  90. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    The best translation, in my humble opinion:

    Da Jesus Book: Hawaii Pidgin New Testament

    Da king tell Queen Esther, “Da Jews wen kill 500 guys awready inside da strong walls Susa town. Dey wen kill Haman ten boys too. Wat dey do inside my odda districks? Now, wat odda ting you like? Wateva you aks, I give um to you!” Esther tell, “If you tink az good, let da Jews inside Susa do da same ting tomorrow too, an let dem hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies on top poses.” So da king make one mo rule fo inside Susa town, fo hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies.

    Da Jews inside Susa wen come togedda one mo time on March 8, an dey kill 300 mo guys inside Susa town, but dey no take dea stuffs. Da same time, da odda Jews inside da king’s districks wen come togedda fo take care demself, fo no let da guys dat hate dem bodda dem no moa. Dey kill 75,000 guys, but dey no take dea stuffs. Dey do dis on March 7. Den March 8, dey res, an make big party an stay feel real good inside.
     

    Dear God, is that even real? I mean, for realz?

    Actually makes that sordid OT readable. Almost.

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    "Dear God, is that even real?"

    The BBC have the news in Pidgin.

    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

    Top story, it's cold in London, especially if you're Nigerian.

    "Tori be say dis na di coldest week for February wey go nack Britain for five years and di breeze dey land from Russia.

    Although dis no be di first time for history wey dem go see dis kain cold, sabi people for UK still dey draw ear give people make dem dey on di alert."

     

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  91. As my Uncle Avram says, “a bunch of lesbians in yarmulkes is not ‘Jewish leaders.’”

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  92. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    The best translation, in my humble opinion:

    Da Jesus Book: Hawaii Pidgin New Testament

    Da king tell Queen Esther, “Da Jews wen kill 500 guys awready inside da strong walls Susa town. Dey wen kill Haman ten boys too. Wat dey do inside my odda districks? Now, wat odda ting you like? Wateva you aks, I give um to you!” Esther tell, “If you tink az good, let da Jews inside Susa do da same ting tomorrow too, an let dem hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies on top poses.” So da king make one mo rule fo inside Susa town, fo hang Haman’s ten boys mahke bodies.

    Da Jews inside Susa wen come togedda one mo time on March 8, an dey kill 300 mo guys inside Susa town, but dey no take dea stuffs. Da same time, da odda Jews inside da king’s districks wen come togedda fo take care demself, fo no let da guys dat hate dem bodda dem no moa. Dey kill 75,000 guys, but dey no take dea stuffs. Dey do dis on March 7. Den March 8, dey res, an make big party an stay feel real good inside.
     

    Thanks.

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  93. @Alden
    There don’t seem to be any Persian records of a King Ahasuerus. Are there any Persian records of a nomad immigrant group slaughtering 75,800 Persians somewhere between 700 and 300 BC.? Somehow I doubt it.

    Like Moses and Solomon and David, there are no other historical records of Esther and the slaughter of 75,800 Persians anywhere than in that collection of myths and fables known as the Hebrew bible.

    I always liked the bit about fleeing from the Egyptian Empire to a province of the Egyptian Empire, that’s more miraculous than parting the sea.

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  94. @anonymous
    dude are you gay? why this obsession with tough masculine Jews?

    if you are gay please shut up about tough masculine Jews, it is creepy.

    I like that homophobia becomes permissible when it becomes necessary to shut it down.

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    I like that homophobia becomes permissible when it becomes necessary to shut it down.
     
    It is always who, whom. ANYTHING is permissible as long as the target is on the approved list. Trump Derangement Syndrome provides ample evidence of that.
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  95. @J.Ross
    Very interesting choice of phrasing.

    Not really.

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  96. @Anonym
    And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they'll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

    Monica Lewinsky looks much better now than she did in the ’90s.

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    If you like her, why don't you marry her?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Wow, look at those pearly whites!
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Be sure to click on the rest if the tweets in that thread. There’s a funny anecdote about Monica from a former Manhattan hostess at a celebrity hotspot.
    , @Pericles
    Her second career, as an instagram something.
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  97. @James N. Kennett
    OT: "Unveiled by the [Irish] government last week with a commitment to spend €116 billion, the document outlines plans to boost the Irish nation’s 4.7 million population by another million using mass migration."

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/02/24/irish-mass-migration/

    Ireland achieved independence from Britain in 1922. Now it plans to obtain independence from Ireland.

    Five years ago Sinn Féin put forward their first candidate of color.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/edmond-lukusa-will-run-for-election-for-sinn-fein-in-2014-1198380-Nov2013/

    Much dry humor:

    Sinn Féin’s reputation preceded them in Lukusa’s case, as he had already heard of the party before landing in Ireland in 2001. He says that his experience from back home will help him.

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  98. @Ripple Earthdevil
    OT: Anyone know what's up with Z Man's blog? It's been down since this morning.

    No problems for me here in the UK

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  99. @istevefan
    I don't know for sure on this. The demographics have changed a lot since 1994. It seems the newcomers don't really like the 2nd amendment. Perhaps this will work in our favor if it causes a significant portion of the 40% of brain-dead, democrat-voting whites to switch to our side.

    http://boards.4chan.org/k/thread/36949161

    “We need to talk about phones.”

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    My first thought when I first heard the "2nd Amendment doesn't apply to modern weapons" argument was: Why skip past the 1st Amendment to attack the 2nd?

    Isn't the pen mightier than the sword?

    Hasn't there been orders of magnitude more human misery caused by propaganda propagated by electrity (not mentioned in the U.S Constitution) compared to the misery caused by persons abusing their right to self defense (clearly mentioned in the U.S. Constitution)?

    Those persons holding the "megaphone" have been given great privilege. They damn well should be held accountable for abusing that privilege--commensurate with how one who abuses their self defense privilege is held accountable.
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  100. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Weren’t the Amalekites just a tribe of Canaan that the Jews genocided when they emerged from Egypt?

    I guess there’s a lot of bloodthirsty “Kill the Amalekite!” that goes on around Purim every year, but no one really believe that Amalekites exist anymore, no? I mean, besides Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter. Is there a DNA test for this?

    They basically use the label like someone might use “Devil.” He’s the Devil!

    I’m trying to think of a religion besides Judaism where their holidays mostly involve rejoicing over the murder and destruction of their enemies.

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  101. Wildly OT but iStevey nonetheless: CNN seeks help from the gubmint!

    http://variety.com/2018/digital/news/cnn-jeff-zucker-google-facebook-donald-trump-1202710332/

    The comments are instructive, to say the least, and it is earnestly to be hoped that the Variety eds cast an eye over them.

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  102. @Dave Pinsen
    Monica Lewinsky looks much better now than she did in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/968025805875040257

    If you like her, why don’t you marry her?

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  103. @Alden
    There don’t seem to be any Persian records of a King Ahasuerus. Are there any Persian records of a nomad immigrant group slaughtering 75,800 Persians somewhere between 700 and 300 BC.? Somehow I doubt it.

    Like Moses and Solomon and David, there are no other historical records of Esther and the slaughter of 75,800 Persians anywhere than in that collection of myths and fables known as the Hebrew bible.

    And yet many people call Jesus “Son of David” in that collection of eternal truths called the New Testament. Jesus is seen with Moses and Elijah during the Transfiguration. Jesus says Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like the lilies of the field.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels, even if the characters aren’t terribly lovable. Kinda like Star Wars.

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    "Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels"

    I can't agree here. I believe in the message of the Gospels and the divinity of Christ, but not the fairy tales of the OT nor the cool and totally metal final book, which would be a great Hollywood blockbuster. I think most educated American Christians could say the same.

    , @Anonymous
    Yes, but the Jews of today are not the Jews of 33 CE and the Jewish Religion of today is something that existed sort of, amongst one particular set of Jewish sectarians only really after the destruction of the Temple. Jesus constantly blasts the Sadducees and the Pharisees. The Pharisees held that there was the written law, the Torah and the Prophetic writings, and an oral law, the two were to be kept separate, the written law transmitted by scrolls and the Oral Law verbally amongst the teachers of their sect. The Oral Law was not to be written down.


    But they did anyway, and it's called the Talmud.

    Modern Judaism, except among a few hated tiny sects like the Karaites, is Talmudism.
    Christianity is Anti-Talmudism.

    Kind of hard to sit on that fence.
    , @silviosilver

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels
     
    Says who?

    Let's say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT - what are you going to do about it? Call him a 'non-Christian'? Oh no, I bet he's shaking in his boots.

    Like it or not, when it comes to religion people have the ability (and nowadays, the right) to make up their own minds about what to believe or not. That is really how religion has functioned all throughout the ages, even during the most religiously oppressive periods. The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out 'heresy' was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness. Few things would make me happier than to see that whole section bowdlerized.
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  104. @anon

    In the story, we meet Ahasuerus, king of Persia — who may or may not be modeled after Xerxes I.
     
    Wouldn't the fact that he may or may not have been "modeled after" someone be an acknowledgement that this is a work of fiction?

    The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they've always been, but were they so persecuted that they could just use real examples of persecution, instead of making up examples of persecution that never really happened? Apparently not.

    “The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they’ve always been”

    What I see a lot of here are some of the whiniest anti-Semites on the internet, and lacking the most basic familiarity with the Bible and ancient history. “Jews have been oppressors for thousands of years, wahhhh!”

    Jeez Louise, give me the hard core but at least intelligent and sometimes entertaining and scholarly Revilo Oliver over retards like Svigor here who think Jews were under Persian rule because they *immigrated there.*

    PS: If you want an actual example of diaspora Jews engaged in mass killing that isn’t a 2500 year old fairy tale, here you go:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    The 460,000 Roman death toll Wikipedia reports seems implausibly high, but not impossible.

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    Revilo Pendleton Oliver was probably one of the smartest men to have lived on the Earth during his lifetime. Whether or not one agrees with his conclusions, and accepting that in his final years he gets kind of obsessive-compulsive, during his tenure at the University of Illinois-Champaign-Urbana, he was universally considered a scholar of the absolute first rank.

    He talks in his books about the fact that he thought that he would have had the stature of a Housman had he not got involved in his patriotic, and later racial, writing and activism. He was probably right. Even the Jewish colleagues in his department, who he admits 'cordially hated him', considered him spectacularly good, if 'evil'.

    To read his writing today is to have an insight to a truly first rate mind. Some of it is simply superannuated today, and he shares the prejudices of educated men of his day in his personal tastes, but there is no questioning the precision and power he wields as a writer and the clarity of thought he brings to many subjects.

    Oliver was, of course, an atheist, but his atheism is of a different nature to the stuff usually promoted by the Public and Professional Atheists of today. In my opinion, he was one of the few truly honest atheists out there, the regular kind mostly being people who have fashioned a High Religion out of Atheism. He was also certainly a racist, but his racism was not borne of ill will for other races as such.

    Much of his writing, indeed, makes more sense to any normal reader today than it would have in his own lifetime.
    , @Ian M.
    Agree, the ignorance of basic Biblical stories displayed here is not encouraging.

    I guess a sign of the times.
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  105. That Booker video never gets old. It’s the meme that keeps on giving.

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    Rather like anything involving Justin Castreau dancing at state or public occasions.
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  106. @Rosamond Vincy
    Actually, I think they were descended from the Babylonian captivity and Persians took over the territory at some point. Neither Nebuchadnezzar nor Xerxes (if that's who it's supposed to be) seems to have been horrible, as conquerors go: it sounds like smart, loyal people could go pretty far (Daniel, Mardochai) in the local government. They certainly got off easier than Melos or Carthage, or, for that matter, anyone in the path of Joshua's army.

    The story was set around the peak of Persian power, when it included Egypt, Syria, Judea, and was a constant threat to Greece.

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  107. @istevefan
    Can you supply the names of a few of these rich Jews who hate, hate, hate Israel?

    Noam Chomsky.

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    Chomsky is a Zionist.
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  108. @Dave Pinsen
    Monica Lewinsky looks much better now than she did in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/968025805875040257

    Wow, look at those pearly whites!

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  109. @Anonym
    And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they'll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

    Monica’s definitely in the top 10% of attractiveness for American 44 year-olds.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=monica+lewinsky+2017&go=Search&qs=n&form=QBILPG&sp=-1&pq=monica+lewinsky+2017&sc=8-20&sk=&cvid=F08A3B5D74B744DB814E8D675F7934FE

    I sincerely doubt that few, if any of the commenters here, are more attractive relative to their cohort than Monica Lewinsky.

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    I sincerely doubt that few, if any of the commenters here, are more attractive relative to their cohort than Monica Lewinsky.

    With the right makeup and on a bit of a diet and maybe some Spanx, Lewinsky looks quite nice. She is not hideously ugly. She carries a little too much bone or fat under her jaw to be classically attractive IMO. I think by the law of averages there would be enough people here more attractive than Monica, all else equal. In my sample size of one I know I'm a higher percentile than she is, but below Bar Rafaeli.

    Put Lewinsky in a bar with a hundred other people, I would think if you showed her a bit of attention she'd go home with you. I would not feel intimidated to approach or talk to her. I think even Whiskey would be able to strike up a conversation.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    A lot more 44 year olds would look attractive if you subtracted childbearing and added money (only slight drawback would be the extinction of the species).
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  110. @Rosamond Vincy
    And yet many people call Jesus "Son of David" in that collection of eternal truths called the New Testament. Jesus is seen with Moses and Elijah during the Transfiguration. Jesus says Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like the lilies of the field.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels, even if the characters aren't terribly lovable. Kinda like Star Wars.

    “Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels”

    I can’t agree here. I believe in the message of the Gospels and the divinity of Christ, but not the fairy tales of the OT nor the cool and totally metal final book, which would be a great Hollywood blockbuster. I think most educated American Christians could say the same.

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  111. @J.Ross
    I don't buy Obama the basketball fan any more than I bought Arbusto the brush-clearing ranch hand and I think it's hilarious that this is the thing they settled upon to humanize him.

    Basketball seems to be popular among the educated mulatto class— I suspect it lets them indulge both their nerdiness and desire to be seen as legitimately black.

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  112. Christ is constantly quoting those “fairy tales.”

    As for the metal stuff, a lot of it was coded ways of dissing Rome.

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  113. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    And yet many people call Jesus "Son of David" in that collection of eternal truths called the New Testament. Jesus is seen with Moses and Elijah during the Transfiguration. Jesus says Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like the lilies of the field.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels, even if the characters aren't terribly lovable. Kinda like Star Wars.

    Yes, but the Jews of today are not the Jews of 33 CE and the Jewish Religion of today is something that existed sort of, amongst one particular set of Jewish sectarians only really after the destruction of the Temple. Jesus constantly blasts the Sadducees and the Pharisees. The Pharisees held that there was the written law, the Torah and the Prophetic writings, and an oral law, the two were to be kept separate, the written law transmitted by scrolls and the Oral Law verbally amongst the teachers of their sect. The Oral Law was not to be written down.

    But they did anyway, and it’s called the Talmud.

    Modern Judaism, except among a few hated tiny sects like the Karaites, is Talmudism.
    Christianity is Anti-Talmudism.

    Kind of hard to sit on that fence.

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    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.
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  114. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    "The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they’ve always been"

    What I see a lot of here are some of the whiniest anti-Semites on the internet, and lacking the most basic familiarity with the Bible and ancient history. "Jews have been oppressors for thousands of years, wahhhh!"

    Jeez Louise, give me the hard core but at least intelligent and sometimes entertaining and scholarly Revilo Oliver over retards like Svigor here who think Jews were under Persian rule because they *immigrated there.*

    PS: If you want an actual example of diaspora Jews engaged in mass killing that isn't a 2500 year old fairy tale, here you go:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    The 460,000 Roman death toll Wikipedia reports seems implausibly high, but not impossible.

    Revilo Pendleton Oliver was probably one of the smartest men to have lived on the Earth during his lifetime. Whether or not one agrees with his conclusions, and accepting that in his final years he gets kind of obsessive-compulsive, during his tenure at the University of Illinois-Champaign-Urbana, he was universally considered a scholar of the absolute first rank.

    He talks in his books about the fact that he thought that he would have had the stature of a Housman had he not got involved in his patriotic, and later racial, writing and activism. He was probably right. Even the Jewish colleagues in his department, who he admits ‘cordially hated him’, considered him spectacularly good, if ‘evil’.

    To read his writing today is to have an insight to a truly first rate mind. Some of it is simply superannuated today, and he shares the prejudices of educated men of his day in his personal tastes, but there is no questioning the precision and power he wields as a writer and the clarity of thought he brings to many subjects.

    Oliver was, of course, an atheist, but his atheism is of a different nature to the stuff usually promoted by the Public and Professional Atheists of today. In my opinion, he was one of the few truly honest atheists out there, the regular kind mostly being people who have fashioned a High Religion out of Atheism. He was also certainly a racist, but his racism was not borne of ill will for other races as such.

    Much of his writing, indeed, makes more sense to any normal reader today than it would have in his own lifetime.

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  115. @Dave Pinsen
    Monica Lewinsky looks much better now than she did in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/968025805875040257

    Be sure to click on the rest if the tweets in that thread. There’s a funny anecdote about Monica from a former Manhattan hostess at a celebrity hotspot.

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  116. Ancient writers claimed the Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus and in Cyrenaica they killed another 220,000 inhabitants from 115 to 117AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

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    Ancient writers claimed the Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus and in Cyrenaica they killed another 220,000 inhabitants from 115 to 117AD.
     
    Ancient Jewish writers had a habit of wildly inflating numbers (the Talmud's even worse at this), so even if these massacres happened, the numbers of dead were in all likelihood much smaller.

    But still, it's the fact that these incidents are deemed worthy of celebration that is the problem. Where is the moral outrage, the denunciation, the lamenting of man's inhumanity to man? None that I can see. Instead we're told that these goys were nasty to Jews, so therefore Jews were justified in massacring them.

    What would Jews think if Europeans decided that, you know what, Jewish influence really has been instrumental in the policies that are wrecking our countries, we're going to start celebrating the Holocaust? It's not very nice, is it. Well what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Even if goys historically haven't always behaved humanely towards Jews, celebrating the slaughter of these goys is just a bit much, you know.

    , @Lot
    Haha jinx, just posted the same link a few comments above.

    Silvio who replied to you is another example of a dumb antisemite just spouting off things he knows nothing about. He claims Jews are somehow proud of the body count they racked up in the second Roman-Jewish war. In fact, the huge estimate comes from a historian biased toward the Romans, and is disputed by later Jewish scholars.

    In general, army size estimates and body counts in ancient sources are extremely unreliable and almost always involve overestimates.
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  117. Anybody keeping book on whether this year’s Purim tents are going to turn up as the subject of panicky ADL/SPLC “anuddah pogrom” fundraising campaigns after they’re blown over by the wind and such?

    We’re running about even odds Chez Olorin.

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    Wrong holiday, the tents are on Sukkot.
    , @Brutusale
    Right on time, Olly, as the local tabloid pimps the latest...

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/02/civil_rights_group_anti_semitic_incidents_on_the_rise

    The ADL is a civil rights group??!!
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  118. @Logical Meme
    That Booker video never gets old. It's the meme that keeps on giving.

    Rather like anything involving Justin Castreau dancing at state or public occasions.

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  119. @Anonymous
    Yes, but the Jews of today are not the Jews of 33 CE and the Jewish Religion of today is something that existed sort of, amongst one particular set of Jewish sectarians only really after the destruction of the Temple. Jesus constantly blasts the Sadducees and the Pharisees. The Pharisees held that there was the written law, the Torah and the Prophetic writings, and an oral law, the two were to be kept separate, the written law transmitted by scrolls and the Oral Law verbally amongst the teachers of their sect. The Oral Law was not to be written down.


    But they did anyway, and it's called the Talmud.

    Modern Judaism, except among a few hated tiny sects like the Karaites, is Talmudism.
    Christianity is Anti-Talmudism.

    Kind of hard to sit on that fence.

    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.

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    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.
     
    Are Good Cop and Bad Cop diametrically opposed in their strategies?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    http://www.catholicstand.com/biblical-typology-the-best-method-to-read-scripture/
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  120. The official position of the Catholic Church is that Esther is an intentional work of fiction perhaps loosely based on a myriad of historical characters, but then again perhaps not.

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  121. So the message of Purim is that genocide is good as long as Jews are the perpetrators and not the victims?

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    Kind of like the reigning ideology of today.
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  122. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Immigration is invasion, pure and simple.

    Now, just a little big of immigration makes no difference. I highly doubt if Nepalese-Americans are going to take over America. But, when the immigration keeps coming and coming, it totally changes the landscape. It’s a house can weather a mouse or two.

    Initially, the Pilgrims posed hardly any threat to Indians. If anything, the red folks took pity on the poor starving new arrivals and gave them corn and turkey, at least according to legend. And if there had been NO MORE whites, the arrival of a few pilgrims wouldn’t have mattered to the Indians. But more and more and more and more whites kept coming. And Indians had no way of stopping it. Once whites had a foothold and beachhead in the New World, they could chain-migrate endlessly and keep bringing more. Even by 1776, most of US was inhabited by Indians. But they were doomed. More whites were coming, they had agriculture to produce lots of food, and they would create lots of babies.

    There are two kinds of immigration. Acute and Chronic. Acute can be dealt with, like acute pain, that is minor or temporary. But chronic pain gets worse and worse, grows bigger and bigger. And chronic immigration is an endless flow of immigration that the native population can no longer control.

    Consider how the Mexers lost the SW. Mexican government wanted Mexicans to settle and develop the SW. But most Mexicans lacked energy, initiative, enterprise, and spirit. They just wanted to stay in their village and eat tortillas like the folks in Angel’s village in THE WILD BUNCH.
    So, the Mexican government called on some Anglos to come and settle in SW and build up the economy some. Now, suppose just 10,000 Anglos came and did some good work in SW and no more. That would have been acute immigration, and it would have done good for Mexico and for Anglos. Mexico would have some people developing the SW, and Anglos would have been given an opportunity to make some money.

    But the Anglos just kept on coming. Even when the Mexican government said NO MAS NO MAS, the Anglos kept on coming and settling more land. Mexican government had no means to protect the borders. And when they finally decided to do something, they got clobbered by much more powerful US. This is what happens when a nation/people lose control of their borders and immigration. People are invasive organisms, and they will keep coming. Imagine if Russia had no means to protect Siberian borders. I guarantee Chinese will grab 1/3 of it.

    Also, the invaders become a ‘human rights’ issue. When the SW had very few gringos who got along with Mexicans, the US government had NO CAUSE and NO JUSTIFICATION to take action. But when more and more Anglos settled in the SW, their well-being became a ‘human rights’ issue. So, even though it was within the sovereignty of the Mexican government to expel these invaders, the US government saw it as oppression and violence against Anglo ‘dreamers’. So, in the name of defending the lives and rights of Americans, the war was launched…. just like the US invaded Grenada on the pretext of protecting Americans there.
    If there had been no Americans in SW, the US couldn’t have used that excuse. But since increasing numbers of Anglos were there, their well-being could become like a ‘human rights’ issue.
    Now, the Mexican government would have insisted that the Gringos had NO RIGHT to be there as they’d come without Mexican permission. But invasive humans can smell blood and weakness. They knew the Mexico was weak, and they saw lots of good land in the SW. So, principles be damned. Soon, the favored narrative was the US must fight to protect the precious Anglos against the tyrannical Mexican government.
    Now, things are reversed. All these illegals don’t belong here. But their presence is turned into a ‘human rights’ issue. Their interests are favored over the sovereignty of the US. Both the globalist elites and the invasive masses can smell the blood and sense the weakness of American sovereignty. Even though the US is the most powerful nation on earth, it paradoxically has very little national sovereignty. Why? The rulers of the US are not patriotic nationalists but globo-imperialists. They see the US as their Jewel-in-the-Crown than as a sovereign nation. It’s like how the Brits used to see India. So, even though India was a vast and rich prize, Indians had no national sovereignty over who could enter and who could leave. It was up to the Brits. Tiny UK ruled India, just like Judea rules over America. (Judea is Israel and all the connected urban networks of Jewish power around the world.) Judea wants the US to submit to a higher globalist sovereignty, and that means American national sovereignty must go. And one way to further erode the sense of American National Sovereignty is to push Diversity and weaken the meaning of ‘American’ by even including illegals as ‘undocumented Americans’.

    And then consider Palestine. Initially, just a trickle of Jews came. And if it had stopped there, NO PROBLEM. Palestinians would have gotten along with their new Jewish neighbors. The Jewish arrivals would have respected Palestine as the land of Palestinians, and Palestinians would have tolerated Jews as a harmless minority. So, acute immigration can work. But it soon became chronic. For some reason, the British empire decided the fate of Palestine WITHOUT any permission by Palestinians. So, Palestine was to be opened up to more and more Jewish immigration, and as it was under British rule, there was little the Arabs could do about it. When Arabs did rise up, the Brits got nervous and appeased them somewhat by limiting immigration, but the die was cast: the long term plan was the replacement of Palestine by Israel. And since Palestinians simply didn’t have the power to stem the tide and the power of Zionists, imperialists, US, and USSR, their nation was wiped off the map. That’s what happens with immigration turns chronic.

    It’s like fire. If you can control it, you can put it out when you need to. But if it burns out of control, all you can do is run. Same with water. If you control the irrigation, you can make the water serve you. If the dam breaks, forget it.

    The question is, “Does White America still have the control to stop immigration which is now full-blown invasion into both US and EU?” Or is it at the Point of No Return?

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    Pretty good essay, however the tendentious use of "Palestine" will be recognized by knowledgeable readers as bunk. Surely you know "Palestine" was a fiction created in the 60s to rewrite the history of what everyone knew was the Jewish homeland. A shame, antisemitism can drag down a great argument like a ball and chain.
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  123. @anonymous
    dude are you gay? why this obsession with tough masculine Jews?

    if you are gay please shut up about tough masculine Jews, it is creepy.

    lol it’s the gay creeper again

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    lol you are so gay yourself that you can't hide it

    I am not gay, why do you want me to be?

    lol Pericles is a gay name when people with that name say lol it is very gay

    grow up lol dude

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  124. @Dave Pinsen
    Monica Lewinsky looks much better now than she did in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/968025805875040257

    Her second career, as an instagram something.

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  125. @Doug
    Monica's definitely in the top 10% of attractiveness for American 44 year-olds.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=monica+lewinsky+2017&go=Search&qs=n&form=QBILPG&sp=-1&pq=monica+lewinsky+2017&sc=8-20&sk=&cvid=F08A3B5D74B744DB814E8D675F7934FE

    I sincerely doubt that few, if any of the commenters here, are more attractive relative to their cohort than Monica Lewinsky.

    I sincerely doubt that few, if any of the commenters here, are more attractive relative to their cohort than Monica Lewinsky.

    With the right makeup and on a bit of a diet and maybe some Spanx, Lewinsky looks quite nice. She is not hideously ugly. She carries a little too much bone or fat under her jaw to be classically attractive IMO. I think by the law of averages there would be enough people here more attractive than Monica, all else equal. In my sample size of one I know I’m a higher percentile than she is, but below Bar Rafaeli.

    Put Lewinsky in a bar with a hundred other people, I would think if you showed her a bit of attention she’d go home with you. I would not feel intimidated to approach or talk to her. I think even Whiskey would be able to strike up a conversation.

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  126. Merkel is like a fisherman who casts a big net into a pond and drags out a huge catch and beams about all the fish… except it’s all leeches.

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  127. @John Gruskos
    The book of Esther isn't really part of the Bible.

    It never once mentions God.

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly - the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.

    Much like in John Hagee's church, the only deity worshiped in the Book of Esther is the Jewish people as a group.

    A nasty story of deception and sleazy harem intrigue facilitating the murder of the host population at the hands of a diaspora people.

    The best character is Ahasuerus' first wife Vashti, who rightfully feels nothing but contempt for that easily flattered and manipulated, unworthy occupant of Cyrus' throne.

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly – the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.

    Not so, and going by that standard of proof as to what belongs in the Bible, we’d have to throw out Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Obadiah, Nahum, and Zephaniah, too.

    The (Catholic/Orthodox) Church determined the canon (not the other way around, as some Protestants strangely seem to think. Nor did it happen by miracle, as in the apparent belief that a leather-bound, gilt-edged Bible, complete with Cyrus Scofield’s footnotes, fell out of the sky and onto the lap of — of all people — King James); that’s good enough for me.

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    Joshua, 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Nehemiah and Nahum are all quoted in the New Testament:

    http://www.knowableword.com/2013/03/27/11-old-testament-books-never-quoted-in-the-new-testament/

    Ezra and Nehemiah were typically considered a single book in Jesus' time, so quoting Nehemiah establishes Ezra as canon.

    If Jeremiah and Proverbs are quoted, that implies the other books of Solomon and Jeremiah are canon (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation).

    Jonah is certainly alluded to when Jesus tells the Pharisees the only sign they will receive is the sign of Jonah.

    Likewise, the genealogy of Jesus alludes to Ruth and Judges.

    In fact, the New Testament is packed with allusions to all the books of the Old Testament - but not to Esther.

    Even 1 Maccabees is alluded to when Hanukkah is mentioned in John 10, but Esther and Purim are never hinted at.

    What possible purpose could be served by this literally godless, sordid story of Mordecai pimping out his niece as part of a sneaky power play? To prepare readers for John 8:39 and 44 ? To establish the righteousness of Ezra and Nehemiah by contrasting them with Mordecai and Esther?
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  128. @International Jew

    So, what we are we up to by now in the Purim story, about 75,810 dead bodies?
     
    Lay off, Steve, it's just a story.

    Whether it happened or just a story is surely secondary to the fact that they are celebrating slaughter, isn’t it? If it were any other group of people in the world doing this, what do you suppose Jews would have to say about it?

    And, lol, I don’t even want to think of the Jewish hysteria that would be generated if the slaughter being celebrated was that of Jews. Imagine Egyptians, say, annoyed at Joseph’s infiltration of their government, were in the habit of celebrating the death of every firstborn Jew, of Jews being overrun by plagues of frogs etc, before Joseph and his henchmen were finally expelled from the land. Would Jews keep quiet about that or would they denounce it, and demand the doctrine were repudiated?

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    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what's your problem with that? You don't celebrate America's victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren't fought in self-defense even.)
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  129. @Jon Halpenny
    Ancient writers claimed the Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus and in Cyrenaica they killed another 220,000 inhabitants from 115 to 117AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    Ancient writers claimed the Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus and in Cyrenaica they killed another 220,000 inhabitants from 115 to 117AD.

    Ancient Jewish writers had a habit of wildly inflating numbers (the Talmud’s even worse at this), so even if these massacres happened, the numbers of dead were in all likelihood much smaller.

    But still, it’s the fact that these incidents are deemed worthy of celebration that is the problem. Where is the moral outrage, the denunciation, the lamenting of man’s inhumanity to man? None that I can see. Instead we’re told that these goys were nasty to Jews, so therefore Jews were justified in massacring them.

    What would Jews think if Europeans decided that, you know what, Jewish influence really has been instrumental in the policies that are wrecking our countries, we’re going to start celebrating the Holocaust? It’s not very nice, is it. Well what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Even if goys historically haven’t always behaved humanely towards Jews, celebrating the slaughter of these goys is just a bit much, you know.

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    The account of the Kitos war seems to come from Gentile historians such as Dio Cassius. Of course, it is possible he and others did exaggerate the body count of those killed by the Jews.
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  130. Obama said that this was the approach he took while in office, and it helped get him through eight years without a major scandal. “We didn’t have a scandal that embarrassed us,” he said.

    Of course he didn’t. Nothing is a scandal until the press decides to make it a scandal. The press didn’t want to embarrass the first black president, so it gave Obama a pass. Using the IRS against political enemies, Operation Fast & Furious, saying he didn’t know Hillary had a private server, using fraudulent means to get a warrant to spy on Trump and associates–none of these were treated as scandals.

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    How fortuitous it was for BHO to start his presidency with $1 trillion in newly minted money to spend any way he pleased--that, and the banks "made whole" by the Federal Reserve. Economic recovery should have been a slam-dunk for him.

    It's like the other team sitting on the bench while all he had to do to score was climb the ladder provided for him and drop the ball in the basket.

    It's interesting that for the 2008 financial disaster, which resulted in the pressing need for ARRA, we don't have at least one person seriously demonized by "the Press." That is, there's no "Ken Lay." There are only unspecific references to "Wall Steet" or "banksters."

    Apparently "the Press" has been too busy promoting stuff like AGW, "the Arab Spring" Facebook revolution, etc. "The Press" has been too busy to investigate the most interesting man in the world: BHO.

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  131. @Rosamond Vincy
    And yet many people call Jesus "Son of David" in that collection of eternal truths called the New Testament. Jesus is seen with Moses and Elijah during the Transfiguration. Jesus says Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like the lilies of the field.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels, even if the characters aren't terribly lovable. Kinda like Star Wars.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels

    Says who?

    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’? Oh no, I bet he’s shaking in his boots.

    Like it or not, when it comes to religion people have the ability (and nowadays, the right) to make up their own minds about what to believe or not. That is really how religion has functioned all throughout the ages, even during the most religiously oppressive periods. The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out ‘heresy’ was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness. Few things would make me happier than to see that whole section bowdlerized.

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    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’?
     
    No, an idiot. "Rosamond Vincy" has already covered this in her previous reply.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't need to call him anything. I am not his Judge.

    I just wonder how he can accept Christ while ignoring so much of what He said.
    , @Ian M.

    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’?
     
    No. A heretic.

    Marcion lives on.

    The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out ‘heresy’ was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.
     
    This doesn't sound like a reason.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness.
     
    The ironic thing is that the only reason we moderns view the O.T. as morally distasteful is because of Christianity.
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    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.

    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.

    Are Good Cop and Bad Cop diametrically opposed in their strategies?

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    Good one (seriously).
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  133. @J.Ross
    I don't buy Obama the basketball fan any more than I bought Arbusto the brush-clearing ranch hand and I think it's hilarious that this is the thing they settled upon to humanize him.

    Arbusto? Hilarious! Why haven’t I heard this before?

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    George W. Bush's dad's oil company was named Zapata.

    These Spanish names are not coincidental.

    The basic idea of the Bush family has been that Mexico should be incorporated into the American econo-sphere.

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  134. @Anonymous
    Dear God, is that even real? I mean, for realz?

    Actually makes that sordid OT readable. Almost.

    “Dear God, is that even real?”

    The BBC have the news in Pidgin.

    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

    Top story, it’s cold in London, especially if you’re Nigerian.

    “Tori be say dis na di coldest week for February wey go nack Britain for five years and di breeze dey land from Russia.

    Although dis no be di first time for history wey dem go see dis kain cold, sabi people for UK still dey draw ear give people make dem dey on di alert.”

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  135. @Doug
    Monica's definitely in the top 10% of attractiveness for American 44 year-olds.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=monica+lewinsky+2017&go=Search&qs=n&form=QBILPG&sp=-1&pq=monica+lewinsky+2017&sc=8-20&sk=&cvid=F08A3B5D74B744DB814E8D675F7934FE

    I sincerely doubt that few, if any of the commenters here, are more attractive relative to their cohort than Monica Lewinsky.

    A lot more 44 year olds would look attractive if you subtracted childbearing and added money (only slight drawback would be the extinction of the species).

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  136. @Prince The Purple One
    Weird how just about every Jewish holiday is about massacring the goyim.

    What other religions celebrate mass under? It’s bizarre. Like a cult of psychopaths. Notice Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists don’t have holidays celebrating the attempted genocide of unbelievers. Only the Jews.

    One explanation of all this from the angle of propaganda narrative is advanced by Margaret Barker, a tremendously quirky Bible scholar who sharply differentiates First (Melchizadek) and Second (Moses) Temple Judaism.

    The first of four videos is here:

    1 and 2 are a general survey, very accessible. In 3 and 4 she Gets Down To It.

    Bonus: I was unexpectedly moved by the implications of her material as to Jesus’ message.

    YMMV but those who are interested will be very interested.

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    …who sharply differentiates First (Melchizadek) and Second (Moses) Temple Judaism.
     
    Why is the First Temple associated with Melchizadek and the Second Temple with Moses?

    Melchizadek and Moses both antedate the first temple by many centuries. The First Temple was built during the reign of King Solomon, the Second Temple after the return from exile (Ezra).

    The era of Moses ought to be called ‘Tabernacle Judaism’. Although the Jews were not really a people yet at that point, so it's somewhat anachronistic.

    Thanks for posting that video; I haven't watched it yet, but it sounds interesting.

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  137. @Harry Baldwin
    Obama said that this was the approach he took while in office, and it helped get him through eight years without a major scandal. "We didn't have a scandal that embarrassed us," he said.

    Of course he didn't. Nothing is a scandal until the press decides to make it a scandal. The press didn't want to embarrass the first black president, so it gave Obama a pass. Using the IRS against political enemies, Operation Fast & Furious, saying he didn't know Hillary had a private server, using fraudulent means to get a warrant to spy on Trump and associates--none of these were treated as scandals.

    How fortuitous it was for BHO to start his presidency with $1 trillion in newly minted money to spend any way he pleased–that, and the banks “made whole” by the Federal Reserve. Economic recovery should have been a slam-dunk for him.

    It’s like the other team sitting on the bench while all he had to do to score was climb the ladder provided for him and drop the ball in the basket.

    It’s interesting that for the 2008 financial disaster, which resulted in the pressing need for ARRA, we don’t have at least one person seriously demonized by “the Press.” That is, there’s no “Ken Lay.” There are only unspecific references to “Wall Steet” or “banksters.”

    Apparently “the Press” has been too busy promoting stuff like AGW, “the Arab Spring” Facebook revolution, etc. “The Press” has been too busy to investigate the most interesting man in the world: BHO.

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  138. @Coemgen
    Arbusto? Hilarious! Why haven't I heard this before?

    George W. Bush’s dad’s oil company was named Zapata.

    These Spanish names are not coincidental.

    The basic idea of the Bush family has been that Mexico should be incorporated into the American econo-sphere.

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    The Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is evil. The Bush organized crime family pushes open borders mass immigration, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and unnecessary wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia

    I like that "American econo-sphere" bit. The evil globalizers in the Bush Organized Crime syndicate think any American concerned with sovereignty is a poor sap with no loot and no transnational connections. All us poor Americans got is our nation, our guts, our heart, and the will to retaliate against the evil globalizers.

    The Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is the Saxons. Patriotic Americans who put the interests of the USA first are the Normans. President Trump is just the beginning.

    https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/588858671913902080
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  140. @Clifford Brown
    Trump is getting the "Haman Treatment" from the NBA.

    Stephen Curry is right. No team should visit Trump's White House
     
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/opinions/trump-warriors-white-house-opinion-moore/

    Sometimes I think the US should be like many other democracies and have power vested in a Prime Minister or Speaker of the House. Let the President do the ceremonial and PR work.
    If I was President I wouldn’t give a good damn whether some NBA team came to the White House or not. If I ran for President it wouldn’t be because I wanted to entertain sportsball teams.

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  141. @J.Ross
    http://boards.4chan.org/k/thread/36949161
    "We need to talk about phones."

    My first thought when I first heard the “2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to modern weapons” argument was: Why skip past the 1st Amendment to attack the 2nd?

    Isn’t the pen mightier than the sword?

    Hasn’t there been orders of magnitude more human misery caused by propaganda propagated by electrity (not mentioned in the U.S Constitution) compared to the misery caused by persons abusing their right to self defense (clearly mentioned in the U.S. Constitution)?

    Those persons holding the “megaphone” have been given great privilege. They damn well should be held accountable for abusing that privilege–commensurate with how one who abuses their self defense privilege is held accountable.

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    • Replies: @Corn
    I’ve heard this from lefties ever since the Columbine shooting in Colorado in ‘99:

    “The Second Amendment applies to muskets, not modern weapons or firearms!”

    Ok then. The First Amendment applies only to oral discourse and newspapers, books and magazines. That were produced via dip pen or woodblock printers.

    President Trump or the Congress is within their rights to shut down twitter, smash CNN studios or post a censor at every radio station.
    , @silviosilver
    Unfortunately, that is not a very effective argument, for they would be happy to be rid of both the 1st and 2nd amendments.
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  142. @silviosilver

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels
     
    Says who?

    Let's say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT - what are you going to do about it? Call him a 'non-Christian'? Oh no, I bet he's shaking in his boots.

    Like it or not, when it comes to religion people have the ability (and nowadays, the right) to make up their own minds about what to believe or not. That is really how religion has functioned all throughout the ages, even during the most religiously oppressive periods. The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out 'heresy' was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness. Few things would make me happier than to see that whole section bowdlerized.

    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’?

    No, an idiot. “Rosamond Vincy” has already covered this in her previous reply.

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    No, an idiot. “Rosamond Vincy” has already covered this in her previous reply.
     
    No, it's perfectly acceptable, if someone chooses to do it. Do Jews accept the religious teachings of ancient Sumeria as being an integral part of their faith? Presumably Abraham did not live by bread and water alone before Jehovah spoke to him. He came from someplace and presumably worshipped the Gods of that place. But judaism pretty much starts de Novo with Abraham and then retcons everything back to creation.

    As far as I know, bhuddists don't feel the need to recapitulate all of hinduism as part of their religious tradition, but that was what bhuddism grew out of.
    , @Tech K
    You could call him a Marcionite after the heretical bishop Marcion of Sinope (85-160AD) who believed that the God of the OT was a different entity than the God of Jesus and thus Christians should ignore the OT.

    This movement Marcionism had quite a strong following before it was stamped out in the 500s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism
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  143. I’ve come in late to this thread, but it seems like a lot of wasted effort to score points against the Book of Esther, when the more interesting phenomenon on display here is the “media-culture network” in action.

    Consider that the “editorial” itself is nothing more than a very routine sermon—the kind of thing lazy clergy-people concoct on the drive to church or temple before leading worship services. “We’re all (fill in the blank)” is a trope of the genre, and thousands of pastors (of whatever religion) will say something similar this weekend. Yet it’s *this* unexceptional sermon that gets published in the New York Times.

    The writer is a young woman who evidently has been blessed with young children, and has written what amounts to a personal memoir of her new experience. Again, there are thousands of people who could do the same; but it’s *this* person who gets a book contract, and has her thoughts presented as some kind of authoritative tract on child rearing. Indeed, this is not her first book: a previous one was also something of a personal voyage of awakening offered as prescriptive for other people.

    Good for Rabbi Ruttenberg, I guess. But is there any doubt that her prominence as an opinion maker has more to do with who she knows, who her connections are, than anything intrinsic to her message? What a patronage/nepotism operation the NYT editorial page, and publishing in general, must be. I’m hardly surprised by it, but it’s instructive to see it so brazenly illustrated in this case.

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  144. The only thing people like Rabbi Ruttenberg do with such special pleading is prove that my ancestors never should have permitted her ancestors to immigrate. I don’t believe that an ancient tale about wily, untrustworthy, and blood-thirsty desert tribesmen drawn from the traditions of some near-eastern ethno-religion trumps my interests in upholding the sovereignty of my own country

    By the way, it’s a little crazy for such people to lecture us about universalism and healing the world, when their every religions holiday is a celebration of some ancient beat-down of “the other”.

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  145. @Anon

    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’?
     
    No, an idiot. "Rosamond Vincy" has already covered this in her previous reply.

    No, an idiot. “Rosamond Vincy” has already covered this in her previous reply.

    No, it’s perfectly acceptable, if someone chooses to do it. Do Jews accept the religious teachings of ancient Sumeria as being an integral part of their faith? Presumably Abraham did not live by bread and water alone before Jehovah spoke to him. He came from someplace and presumably worshipped the Gods of that place. But judaism pretty much starts de Novo with Abraham and then retcons everything back to creation.

    As far as I know, bhuddists don’t feel the need to recapitulate all of hinduism as part of their religious tradition, but that was what bhuddism grew out of.

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    See Ms. "Vincy" above. Christianity not only arose from (then-existing, not Talmudic) Judaism; it is inseparable from it. Look what Marcion whom the other guy mentioned and who was not an idiot had to do to make a gulf:

    the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful and a stumbling-block to the refined and intellectual gentiles by its crudity and cruelty, and the Old Testament had to be set aside. The two great obstacles in his way he removed by drastic measures. He had to account for the existence of the Old Testament and he accounted for it by postulating a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god, who was Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The metaphysical relation between these two gods troubled Marcion little; of divine emanation, aeons, syzygies, eternally opposed principles of good and evil, he knows nothing. He may be almost a Manichee in practice, but in theory he has not reached absolute consistency as Mani did a hundred years later. Marcion had secondly to account for those passages in the New Testament which countenanced the Old. He resolutely cut out all texts that were contrary to his dogma; in fact, he created his own New Testament admitting but one gospel, a mutilation of St. Luke, and an Apostolicon containing ten epistles of St. Paul. The mantle of St. Paul had fallen on the shoulders of Marcion in his struggle with the Judaisers. The Catholics of his day were nothing but the Judaisers of the previous century. The pure Pauline Gospel had become corrupted and Marcion, not obscurely, hinted that even the pillar Apostles, Peter, James, and John had betrayed their trust. He loves to speak of "false apostles", and lets his hearers infer who they were. Once the Old Testament has been completely got rid of, Marcion has no further desire for change.
     
    (Marcionites, Catholic Encyclopedia)

    More of Marcion's doctrine:


    The Old Testament is true enough, Moses and the Prophets are messengers of the Demiurge, the Jewish Messias is sure to come and found a millennial kingdom for the Jews on earth, but the Jewish messias has nothing whatever to do with the Christ of God
     
    This is serious crank territory, at that point. It's not hard to see why this did not become the dominant strain of Christianity.
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  146. @Coemgen
    My first thought when I first heard the "2nd Amendment doesn't apply to modern weapons" argument was: Why skip past the 1st Amendment to attack the 2nd?

    Isn't the pen mightier than the sword?

    Hasn't there been orders of magnitude more human misery caused by propaganda propagated by electrity (not mentioned in the U.S Constitution) compared to the misery caused by persons abusing their right to self defense (clearly mentioned in the U.S. Constitution)?

    Those persons holding the "megaphone" have been given great privilege. They damn well should be held accountable for abusing that privilege--commensurate with how one who abuses their self defense privilege is held accountable.

    I’ve heard this from lefties ever since the Columbine shooting in Colorado in ‘99:

    “The Second Amendment applies to muskets, not modern weapons or firearms!”

    Ok then. The First Amendment applies only to oral discourse and newspapers, books and magazines. That were produced via dip pen or woodblock printers.

    President Trump or the Congress is within their rights to shut down twitter, smash CNN studios or post a censor at every radio station.

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  147. @Tracy

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly – the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.
     
    Not so, and going by that standard of proof as to what belongs in the Bible, we'd have to throw out Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Lamentations, Obadiah, Nahum, and Zephaniah, too.

    The (Catholic/Orthodox) Church determined the canon (not the other way around, as some Protestants strangely seem to think. Nor did it happen by miracle, as in the apparent belief that a leather-bound, gilt-edged Bible, complete with Cyrus Scofield's footnotes, fell out of the sky and onto the lap of -- of all people -- King James); that's good enough for me.

    Joshua, 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Nehemiah and Nahum are all quoted in the New Testament:

    http://www.knowableword.com/2013/03/27/11-old-testament-books-never-quoted-in-the-new-testament/

    Ezra and Nehemiah were typically considered a single book in Jesus’ time, so quoting Nehemiah establishes Ezra as canon.

    If Jeremiah and Proverbs are quoted, that implies the other books of Solomon and Jeremiah are canon (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation).

    Jonah is certainly alluded to when Jesus tells the Pharisees the only sign they will receive is the sign of Jonah.

    Likewise, the genealogy of Jesus alludes to Ruth and Judges.

    In fact, the New Testament is packed with allusions to all the books of the Old Testament – but not to Esther.

    Even 1 Maccabees is alluded to when Hanukkah is mentioned in John 10, but Esther and Purim are never hinted at.

    What possible purpose could be served by this literally godless, sordid story of Mordecai pimping out his niece as part of a sneaky power play? To prepare readers for John 8:39 and 44 ? To establish the righteousness of Ezra and Nehemiah by contrasting them with Mordecai and Esther?

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    John, viewing Esther as some kind of "negative" example (as you suggest) is a plausible interpretation, although one that generally escapes most Scriptural commenters.

    The political scientist Aaron Wildavsky wrote a study of the Genesis story of Joseph the Vizier, titled "Assimilation vs. Separation," in which he concluded that despite all the praise heaped on the figure of Joseph down through history, he was meant to be understood as negative contrast to Moses, (whose story immediately follows Joseph's). Joseph's career set in motion the problems that Moses--whose biography opposes Joseph's at every point--had to undo.

    To pietistic interpretors, of course, every episode of the Bible is taken as simply prescriptive; it never seems to occur to them that certain stories might best be understood under the heading, "Men, don't let this happen to you!" Something similar is at work in Jesus' parable of the Unjust Steward (featured in the upcoming third Sunday of Lent): the tale of an obvious swindler, plausibly intended by Jesus as a negative example, which modern pietists torture into an exemplar of "shrewd dealing."
    , @Ian M.

    Ezra and Nehemiah were typically considered a single book in Jesus’ time, so quoting Nehemiah establishes Ezra as canon.

    If Jeremiah and Proverbs are quoted, that implies the other books of Solomon and Jeremiah are canon (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation).
     
    No, quotation is not a criterion for establishing canon.

    Jude quotes the Book of Enoch, which is not considered canon by most churches.

    St. Paul quotes pagans. These pagan sources are not canon.

    Esther and Purim are never hinted at.
     
    Some think that the festival Jesus is celebrating in John 5 is Purim.

    What possible purpose could be served by this literally godless, sordid story of Mordecai pimping out his niece as part of a sneaky power play?
     
    The Jews being delivered from the hands of their enemies. A common theme in the Bible.

    Jews likely also connected it to Exodus 17 and Deuteronomy 25 and interpreted Esther as a fulfillment these passages.

    From the Christian perspective, the church fathers regarded Esther as a type of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Also, the early Church used the Greek version of Esther, which does mention God.
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  148. @Anonym
    And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they'll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they’ll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    I lived in an Asian country for awhile, and while I did, I always got questioned about Monica. It usually went something like this:
    Q: Is Monica considered beautiful in your country?
    A: Oh god no!
    Q: But then why did your president have an affair with her, he must have had choices?
    A: Um, well, er …

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    I waa actually referring to Trump's tastes. He prefers tall pretty blondes with some shape to them. Bar Rafaeli is about the only famous Jewess close to his "type" I can think of. Maybe I should have made it explicit.

    Lewinsky's biggest drawcard was that she was female and proximate.
    , @LondonBob
    Men are lazy, Monica was there at hand.
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  149. @Doug
    Noam Chomsky.

    Chomsky is a Zionist.

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  150. @Alden
    Did the Persian King Ahasuerus actually exist? If so, are there any historical records of some immigrant nomads murdering 75,8000 Persians?

    Or is it like Moses and David, no written or archeological records exist other than the Bible?

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    Persecution narratives run the gamut, all the way from completely fabricated to wildly embellished.
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  151. @Autochthon
    How do they reconcile events during the Second World War and it's aftermath? They were, for once, being fairly successfully slaughtered with no end in sight until the overwhelmingly Christian and atheist Americans, British, and Russians saved their bacon. Did their snooty version of God authorise that? Why didn't He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible? Do the these gentiles at least deserve some begrudging respect and thanks for being chosen by their God as the instruments of their liberation and for taking a large swath of land from its Mohammedan inhabitants and bequeathing it to the Jews?

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage (granted, the Egyptians were ostensibly under duress...)? Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?

    I'm very interested in rigorous sociological and psychological research and analysis of Jews' attitudes and understanding of the concept of gratitude. Or even their theoretical attitudes thereto. Anyone have any recommendations?

    Add to that the question of gratitude to Westeen European nation-states for opening their doors to Jews to allow them to escape from “pogroms.”

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  152. @Coemgen
    My first thought when I first heard the "2nd Amendment doesn't apply to modern weapons" argument was: Why skip past the 1st Amendment to attack the 2nd?

    Isn't the pen mightier than the sword?

    Hasn't there been orders of magnitude more human misery caused by propaganda propagated by electrity (not mentioned in the U.S Constitution) compared to the misery caused by persons abusing their right to self defense (clearly mentioned in the U.S. Constitution)?

    Those persons holding the "megaphone" have been given great privilege. They damn well should be held accountable for abusing that privilege--commensurate with how one who abuses their self defense privilege is held accountable.

    Unfortunately, that is not a very effective argument, for they would be happy to be rid of both the 1st and 2nd amendments.

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    I'm not saying "get rid of" the 1st Amendment. I'm saying that it should be interpreted as narrowly as the 2nd. The propagation of propaganda by electrical means is not a right granted by the 1st Amendment. If it's not a right and, it's a destructive force towards a well-regulated society, it should be regulated.

    Imagine, some day, turning on the local news and not being inundated with globalist propaganda shoe-horned between the weather and traffic reports.
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  153. @Joe Walker
    So the message of Purim is that genocide is good as long as Jews are the perpetrators and not the victims?

    Kind of like the reigning ideology of today.

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  154. @Barnard
    So who is Haman in the Trump administration? She would probably go with Stephen Miller.

    Despite the dishonest complaints by critics of the administration, there has not, to my knowledge, been anyone on Trump’s staff remotely prejudiced towards Jews as a group. Bannon certainly wasn’t, and Hebrews Miller and Kushner obviously aren’t. I’m not sure there was even a single person to tell him, “hey Donny, maybe moving the embassy to Jerusalem is a bad idea.”

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  155. @silviosilver

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels
     
    Says who?

    Let's say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT - what are you going to do about it? Call him a 'non-Christian'? Oh no, I bet he's shaking in his boots.

    Like it or not, when it comes to religion people have the ability (and nowadays, the right) to make up their own minds about what to believe or not. That is really how religion has functioned all throughout the ages, even during the most religiously oppressive periods. The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out 'heresy' was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness. Few things would make me happier than to see that whole section bowdlerized.

    I don’t need to call him anything. I am not his Judge.

    I just wonder how he can accept Christ while ignoring so much of what He said.

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    I just wonder how he can accept Christ while ignoring so much of what He said.
     
    Ignoring what he said is the easy bit. Most religious adherents (besides the most devout) always pick and choose what they think is important out of scripture. And there are plenty more besides who don't even care what anyone in the bible ever said; they're just content to have a religious identity, partake in some of the rituals, enjoy the social rewards and so on. Every so often they have a crisis, and then their ears prick up and they start listening to preachers quote verse in the hope that it might touch on their problems; if they don't like what they hear, they can ignore it and keep listening, safe in the knowledge that someone will eventually find a verse or two that tells them what they want to hear. Never fails.

    Now, if you junked the OT - as any moral man really should do - then you're obviously going to narrow down the scripture-hunter's options, since the OT dealt with a wider range of issues than the NT. Some people aren't going to like that. On the other hand, you'd have a more morally reasonable religion.

    Another option would be to revive some of the early Christian apocrypha (Gospel of Thomas etc). Some of those are difficult to reconcile with mainstream Christianity because they make Jesus come across as a bit of a rascal and trickster, but maybe they could assume a sort of relationship to the NT that the Hadith in Islam have to the Koran - ie handy to have around, and easier/safer to ignore when you don't like them.

    , @Anonymous
    Simple. He didn't say it.
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  156. @Anonymous
    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.
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  157. That… that… NOSE!

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  158. dude are you gay? why this obsession with tough masculine Jews?

    if you are gay please shut up about tough masculine Jews, it is creepy.

    Wait, what now? :D

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  159. @Olorin
    Anybody keeping book on whether this year's Purim tents are going to turn up as the subject of panicky ADL/SPLC "anuddah pogrom" fundraising campaigns after they're blown over by the wind and such?

    We're running about even odds Chez Olorin.

    Wrong holiday, the tents are on Sukkot.

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  160. @Rosamond Vincy
    http://www.catholicstand.com/biblical-typology-the-best-method-to-read-scripture/

    Another page on the topics of lectio divina and typology: http://www.fisheaters.com/lectiodivina.html

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  161. @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't need to call him anything. I am not his Judge.

    I just wonder how he can accept Christ while ignoring so much of what He said.

    I just wonder how he can accept Christ while ignoring so much of what He said.

    Ignoring what he said is the easy bit. Most religious adherents (besides the most devout) always pick and choose what they think is important out of scripture. And there are plenty more besides who don’t even care what anyone in the bible ever said; they’re just content to have a religious identity, partake in some of the rituals, enjoy the social rewards and so on. Every so often they have a crisis, and then their ears prick up and they start listening to preachers quote verse in the hope that it might touch on their problems; if they don’t like what they hear, they can ignore it and keep listening, safe in the knowledge that someone will eventually find a verse or two that tells them what they want to hear. Never fails.

    Now, if you junked the OT – as any moral man really should do – then you’re obviously going to narrow down the scripture-hunter’s options, since the OT dealt with a wider range of issues than the NT. Some people aren’t going to like that. On the other hand, you’d have a more morally reasonable religion.

    Another option would be to revive some of the early Christian apocrypha (Gospel of Thomas etc). Some of those are difficult to reconcile with mainstream Christianity because they make Jesus come across as a bit of a rascal and trickster, but maybe they could assume a sort of relationship to the NT that the Hadith in Islam have to the Koran – ie handy to have around, and easier/safer to ignore when you don’t like them.

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  162. Actually, I think they were descended from the Babylonian captivity and Persians took over the territory at some point. Neither Nebuchadnezzar nor Xerxes (if that’s who it’s supposed to be) seems to have been horrible, as conquerors go: it sounds like smart, loyal people could go pretty far (Daniel, Mardochai) in the local government. They certainly got off easier than Melos or Carthage, or, for that matter, anyone in the path of Joshua’s army.

    TY for the correction.

    Doug says:
    February 27, 2018 at 7:24 am GMT

    Noam Chomsky.

    Does Chomsky even hate Israel? I seem to remember a piece I read linked from here, during the presidential campaign. You could see he was stubbornly defending either Jews or Israel, in his own way. I know, there’s a difference (though less of one than a lot of people would have the world believe). Point being, I’d need to see the hate before I went around repeating that Chomsky hates Israel.

    In any event, that ain’t much of a list.

    Lay off, Steve, it’s just a story.

    That gets celebrated every year. Just sayin’.

    No weirder than Feast Days for saints killed off in gruesome ways. And the rationale for Patronage is downright illogical. For instance, I’ve been praying to St. Apollonia about my upcoming root canal, but the basis for her sympathy on this point makes me wonder how effectual she can be: pagans knocked all her teeth down her throat.

    Maybe no weirder, but a Hell of a lot more sinister and hostile.

    Jenner Ickham Errican says:
    February 27, 2018 at 5:10 am GMT • 200 Words

    The best translation, in my humble opinion:

    That was beautiful, thank you.

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels, even if the characters aren’t terribly lovable. Kinda like Star Wars.

    I’m agnostic, but I’m glad your analogy is a bad one; then people could ignore the prequels as “crap that came later” all the good ethnocentric stuff is in the OT, just waiting to be used by the first proper Reformation of Christianity (with “the New Covenant passed God’s ethnocentric rules for the Jews along to the rest of humanity” as the central theme).

    What I see a lot of here are some of the whiniest anti-Semites on the internet, and lacking the most basic familiarity with the Bible and ancient history. “Jews have been oppressors for thousands of years, wahhhh!”

    Yeah, it’s never a safe historical assumption that the Jews came in from someplace else and started causing trouble.

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  163. I knew what Mr. Sailer was doing and I thought he got the better of the Rabbi in the scriptural argument. I was being facetious. In case you are not aware of it, “the devil citing scripture” is what Antonio says about Shylock in “The Merchant of Venice”.

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  164. It all goes far beyond this revenge fantasy.

    Deeper question is: does Christianity have any future for us as Westerners? That is has monumental past is beyond dispute; also, for Christian believers this is a worthless, blasphemous pseudo-question.

    But, speaking either as an atheist or a sympathizer of prisca philosophia/philosophia perennis (in modern garb, dispensing with both anti-rational mystic obscurantism & old fashioned theologies based on discarded physics & astronomy) – is it of any vital importance for us, white Europeans?

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    , @Ian M.
    Prescinding from the first question, for white Europeans to have any future, there must be a principle of unity that transcends biological race, whether or not this is Christianity.

    Such a source of unity is the very reason that whites are a (meta)-people in the first place: Christianity was the spiritual source of unity in Christendom, the result being that 'whites' is an intelligible grouping and a distinct meta-people. Without this source of unity, 'whites' wouldn't be a conceptual category, the grouping of 'whites' would be completely arbitrary, and there would be no reason to see whites as our 'people' as opposed to, say, Caucasians, or some smaller grouping than whites.

    Any civilization needs some such overarching source of unity to survive and even to be a civilization in the first place. For Western man, this used to be Christianity. Now it is liberalism, which paradoxically destroys unity.

    Biological race cannot be the ultimate source of unity because it has no grounding. Politics and life would then become completely arbitrary and dystopian.

    So for white Europeans to have any future, liberalism must be rejected and some transcendent principle of unity must replace it.

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  165. @Kam Phlodius
    Actually, left-wing Jewish persons do not "hate hate hate" Israel. (But if you insist on living in a fantasy world, I suppose no one can stop you.) According to Norman Podhoretz, 78% of Jewish persons have voted Democratic in presidential elections since 1928. Do you think 78% of our Jewish friends hate the modern state of Israel?

    It’s surprising how wide spread this belief is on the naive right, that liberal jews are somehow “anti-israel”. Liberal jews are less anti-israel than Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter are anti-American. If liberal white gentile Americans were as anti-American as these liberal jews are anti-israel we’d have a white ethnostate with armed borders already.

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  166. @dilys
    One explanation of all this from the angle of propaganda narrative is advanced by Margaret Barker, a tremendously quirky Bible scholar who sharply differentiates First (Melchizadek) and Second (Moses) Temple Judaism.

    The first of four videos is here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-McdW00M9Y&sns=em
    1 and 2 are a general survey, very accessible. In 3 and 4 she Gets Down To It.

    Bonus: I was unexpectedly moved by the implications of her material as to Jesus’ message.

    YMMV but those who are interested will be very interested.

    …who sharply differentiates First (Melchizadek) and Second (Moses) Temple Judaism.

    Why is the First Temple associated with Melchizadek and the Second Temple with Moses?

    Melchizadek and Moses both antedate the first temple by many centuries. The First Temple was built during the reign of King Solomon, the Second Temple after the return from exile (Ezra).

    The era of Moses ought to be called ‘Tabernacle Judaism’. Although the Jews were not really a people yet at that point, so it’s somewhat anachronistic.

    Thanks for posting that video; I haven’t watched it yet, but it sounds interesting.

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  167. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Ah yes, another story by a Jewish author that touches briefly on Hispanics, then spends 99% of the time talking about privileged Jews, which is what the author really yearns to do, but feels he needs to toss Hispanics in to have an excuse to do so. Even more, it implies that privileged Jews are going to be kicked out by Trump, despite Trump never saying a word about that.

    The only Jewish purge we’ve seen so far came from the MeToo movement, and the Jews who were kicked out brought that on themselves by being all grabby hands over something that wasn’t their property.

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  168. @Anon

    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’?
     
    No, an idiot. "Rosamond Vincy" has already covered this in her previous reply.

    You could call him a Marcionite after the heretical bishop Marcion of Sinope (85-160AD) who believed that the God of the OT was a different entity than the God of Jesus and thus Christians should ignore the OT.

    This movement Marcionism had quite a strong following before it was stamped out in the 500s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

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    It was a fringe movement for reasons pointed out above. Marcion at least was (most probably) not an idiot, so point taken, I guess.
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  169. @John Gruskos
    The book of Esther isn't really part of the Bible.

    It never once mentions God.

    Neither Jesus nor any of his apostles ever reference Esther, either directly of indirectly - the only Old Testament book of which this can be said.

    Much like in John Hagee's church, the only deity worshiped in the Book of Esther is the Jewish people as a group.

    A nasty story of deception and sleazy harem intrigue facilitating the murder of the host population at the hands of a diaspora people.

    The best character is Ahasuerus' first wife Vashti, who rightfully feels nothing but contempt for that easily flattered and manipulated, unworthy occupant of Cyrus' throne.

    A nasty story of deception and sleazy harem intrigue facilitating the murder of the host population at the hands of a diaspora people.

    The Jews did not slaughter the host population; they slaughtered another diaspora people, the Amalekites, their ancient enemy.

    Don’t forget also that Mordecai had saved the king.

    As for whether Esther is properly part of the Bible, what Tracy said.

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    "The Jews did not slaughter the host population; they slaughtered another diaspora people, the Amalekites, their ancient enemy."

    Dude, "The Amalekites", if they existed at all, existed a thousand years before these alleged events, and had long ceased to exist before these alleged events.

    Jews claim that anyone they don't like are "Amalek" and therefore have to be destroyed.

    "Amelakites" is the word that (((they))) cry out in pain as (((they))) strike you.

    It's psychological projection.

    Haman, if he existed at all, wasn't an Amalekite, except in this (((special))) sense used above.

    "Don’t forget also that Mordecai had saved the king."

    According to a work of fiction, that his people wrote to justify their own bad acts and bad faith.
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  170. @Anonymous
    The KJV-Onlyites insist he wasn't really gay.

    The KJV has faults, but as a work of literature it is first rate. Still, a modern reader of ordinary literary knowledge in 2018, or indeed any time after 1800, will find it confusing. That is probably exactly why the KJV-Onlyites promote it.

    There is also the issue that >99% of the copies of the KJV in the US are incomplete in that they omit the Apocrypha. So obviously , that commandment in Revelations about taking away or adding to the Word of God is not really a thing for most fundies.

    …that commandment in Revelations about taking away or adding to the Word of God is not really a thing for most fundies

    Though that passage in Revelation is very often misinterpreted: it’s only referring to the Book of Revelation, not to the Bible as a whole, so it doesn’t really apply to what the fundies are doing.

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  171. @Jon Halpenny
    Ancient writers claimed the Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus and in Cyrenaica they killed another 220,000 inhabitants from 115 to 117AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    Haha jinx, just posted the same link a few comments above.

    Silvio who replied to you is another example of a dumb antisemite just spouting off things he knows nothing about. He claims Jews are somehow proud of the body count they racked up in the second Roman-Jewish war. In fact, the huge estimate comes from a historian biased toward the Romans, and is disputed by later Jewish scholars.

    In general, army size estimates and body counts in ancient sources are extremely unreliable and almost always involve overestimates.

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    Silvio who replied to you is another example of a dumb antisemite just spouting off things he knows nothing about. He claims Jews are somehow proud of the body count they racked up in the second Roman-Jewish war.
     
    Of course, I didn't actually say that. I said they celebrate their victories over their foes, regardless of how gruesome, with little in the way of the kind of self-reflection or self-correction they are constantly urging on other groups. This is the point you need to contest, if you can. (Calling me an 'antisemite,' in these parts, doesn't count as an argument, remember.)

    I mean, there are numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz, right? How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? Moral consistency would seem to demand it.

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  172. @bartok

    The fence between the so-called Old and New Testaments is even higher, as the two books are just about diametrically opposed in their theologies.
     
    Are Good Cop and Bad Cop diametrically opposed in their strategies?

    Good one (seriously).

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  173. @Rosamond Vincy
    I don't need to call him anything. I am not his Judge.

    I just wonder how he can accept Christ while ignoring so much of what He said.

    Simple. He didn’t say it.

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    My dear Wormwood....

    You will find that a good many Christian-political writers think that Christianity began going wrong, and departing from the doctrine of its Founder, at a very early stage. Now this idea must be used by us to encourage once again the conception of a ‘historical Jesus’ to be found by clearing away later ‘accretions and perversions’ and then to be contrasted with the whole Christian tradition. In the last generation we promoted the construction of such a ‘historical Jesus’ on liberal and humanitarian lines; we are now putting forward a new ‘historical Jesus’ on Marxian, catastrophic, and revolutionary lines. The advantages of these constructions, which we intend to change every thirty years or so, are manifold. In the first place they all tend to direct men’s devotion to something which does not exist, for each ‘historical Jesus’ is unhistorical. The documents say what they say and cannot be added to; each new ‘historical Jesus’ therefore has to be got out of them by suppression at one point and exaggeration at another, and by that sort of guessing (brilliant is the adjective we teach humans to apply to it) on which no one would risk ten shillings in ordinary life, but which is enough to produce a crop of new Napoleons, new Shakespeares, and new Swifts, in every publisher’s autumn list. In the second place, all such constructions place the importance of their historical Jesus in some peculiar theory He is supposed to have promulgated. He has to be a ‘great man’ in the modern sense of the word—one standing at the terminus of some centrifugal and unbalanced line of thought —a crank vending a panacea. We thus distract men’s minds from who He is, and what He did....

    The ‘historical Jesus’ then, however dangerous He may seem to be to us at some particular point, is always to be encouraged....

    Your affectionate uncle,
    SCREWTAPE
     
    , @Rosamond Vincy

    What we want, if men become Christians at all, is to keep them in the state of mind I call ‘Christianity And’, You know–Christianity and the Crisis, Christianity and the New Psychology, Christianity and the New Order, Christianity and Faith Healing, Christianity and Physical Research, Christianity and Vegetarianism, Christianity and Spelling Reform. If they must be Christians let them at least be Christians with a difference. Substitute for the faith itself some Fashion with a Christian coloring.
     
    - CS Lewis, Screwtape Letters
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  174. @anon

    5 Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them.

    6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …

    12 And the king said unto Esther the queen, The Jews have slain and destroyed five hundred men in Shushan the palace, and the ten sons of Haman; what have they done in the rest of the king’s provinces? now what is thy petition? and it shall be granted thee: or what is thy request further? and it shall be done.

    13 Then said Esther, If it please the king, let it be granted to the Jews which are in Shushan to do to morrow also according unto this day’s decree, and let Haman’s ten sons be hanged upon the gallows.
     
    I bet all those Persians were totally happy they decided to let the Jews live there in the first place.

    They were probably kicking themselves over the fact that Bret Stephens hadn't been born yet, to warn them.

    I bet all those Persians were totally happy they decided to let the Jews live there in the first place.

    The Persians didn’t really “decide to let the Jews live there”. The Persians conquered the Babylonian Empire. The Babylonians had conquered Judea and forced the Jews from their homeland.

    So the Jews were already dispersed throughout the Babylonian Empire and living there when the Persians conquered it.

    But the Persians let the Jews go home under Cyrus.

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  175. @J.Ross
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/162056975
    video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdhQzXHYLZ4
    Foreign electoral interference!
    Jon Oliver has made a video telling Italians how to vote, admonishing them to not support the currently surging rightist Lega!

    Has there ever been a more annoying and unfunny talk show host than Job Oliver? Anywhere on earth? Ever? Even Trevor Noah isn’t quite as annoying, and that’s saying a lot.

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    For retarded lefty Millenials, his status as a Daily Show alumnus will keep his career afloat for life.
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  176. @Lot
    "The Jews keep talking about how persecuted they’ve always been"

    What I see a lot of here are some of the whiniest anti-Semites on the internet, and lacking the most basic familiarity with the Bible and ancient history. "Jews have been oppressors for thousands of years, wahhhh!"

    Jeez Louise, give me the hard core but at least intelligent and sometimes entertaining and scholarly Revilo Oliver over retards like Svigor here who think Jews were under Persian rule because they *immigrated there.*

    PS: If you want an actual example of diaspora Jews engaged in mass killing that isn't a 2500 year old fairy tale, here you go:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War

    The 460,000 Roman death toll Wikipedia reports seems implausibly high, but not impossible.

    Agree, the ignorance of basic Biblical stories displayed here is not encouraging.

    I guess a sign of the times.

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  177. @Steve Sailer
    George W. Bush's dad's oil company was named Zapata.

    These Spanish names are not coincidental.

    The basic idea of the Bush family has been that Mexico should be incorporated into the American econo-sphere.

    The Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is evil. The Bush organized crime family pushes open borders mass immigration, sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and unnecessary wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia

    I like that “American econo-sphere” bit. The evil globalizers in the Bush Organized Crime syndicate think any American concerned with sovereignty is a poor sap with no loot and no transnational connections. All us poor Americans got is our nation, our guts, our heart, and the will to retaliate against the evil globalizers.

    The Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is the Saxons. Patriotic Americans who put the interests of the USA first are the Normans. President Trump is just the beginning.

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  178. @Svigor

    When Mordechai, a Jew, refuses to bow down to Haman, the aide decides to “do away with all the Jews” in the kingdom as revenge.
     
    We demand to be allowed to live in your realm. Also, we refuse to abide by your customs.

    I'm guessing Mordechai's behavior was more of a last straw type of thing.

    Maybe "do away with" only wound up in the Jewish version of the story that way. I could easily see "send them packing, they've worn out their welcome" being what was really said.

    Ahasuerus’s second wife, Esther, was a closeted Jew. As Haman’s plot came to light, Mordechai visited her to persuade her to lobby on behalf of her people. …
     
    Crypto Jew subversives...the tale is a very old one...

    Esther was willing to step up and even act “contrary to the law” on behalf of her people.
     
    Nothing new there...

    6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. …
     
    Gov't Jews more loyal to their tribe than to the gov't they ostensibly served...

    Protip: it's much quicker to name the Jewish holidays that don't celebrate the anniversary of some great slaughter or misdeed on the part of Jews or G-d.

    You need to familiarize yourself with basic Biblical knowledge (you could read the Book of Esther, and also the Book of Daniel and the Book of Kings; but really, a children’s Bible story book would probably suffice) before shooting your mouth off. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    I’m guessing Mordechai’s behavior was more of a last straw type of thing.

    You mean the fact that he saved the king from a plot to assassinate him?

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  179. 75k people is quite a lot when you think of the smaller world population back then.

    A back-of-the envelope calculation, based on 500BC population of 100million, would mean the equivalent number of people nowadays would be just shy of 6 million. It’s an interesting figure, one that I certainly will Never Forget.

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    Word population in 500BC: 100,000000
    Purim genocide: 75000
    75000/100000000 = 0.00075

    Current world population: 7600,000000
    0.00075*7600000000=5,700,000

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  180. @Lot
    Haha jinx, just posted the same link a few comments above.

    Silvio who replied to you is another example of a dumb antisemite just spouting off things he knows nothing about. He claims Jews are somehow proud of the body count they racked up in the second Roman-Jewish war. In fact, the huge estimate comes from a historian biased toward the Romans, and is disputed by later Jewish scholars.

    In general, army size estimates and body counts in ancient sources are extremely unreliable and almost always involve overestimates.

    Silvio who replied to you is another example of a dumb antisemite just spouting off things he knows nothing about. He claims Jews are somehow proud of the body count they racked up in the second Roman-Jewish war.

    Of course, I didn’t actually say that. I said they celebrate their victories over their foes, regardless of how gruesome, with little in the way of the kind of self-reflection or self-correction they are constantly urging on other groups. This is the point you need to contest, if you can. (Calling me an ‘antisemite,’ in these parts, doesn’t count as an argument, remember.)

    I mean, there are numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz, right? How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? Moral consistency would seem to demand it.

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    "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz"

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    If there are really "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz" you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we've heard of.

    "How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? "

    Well we didn't massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.
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  181. @Tech K
    You could call him a Marcionite after the heretical bishop Marcion of Sinope (85-160AD) who believed that the God of the OT was a different entity than the God of Jesus and thus Christians should ignore the OT.

    This movement Marcionism had quite a strong following before it was stamped out in the 500s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

    It was a fringe movement for reasons pointed out above. Marcion at least was (most probably) not an idiot, so point taken, I guess.

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  182. @Anonymous
    Simple. He didn't say it.

    My dear Wormwood….

    You will find that a good many Christian-political writers think that Christianity began going wrong, and departing from the doctrine of its Founder, at a very early stage. Now this idea must be used by us to encourage once again the conception of a ‘historical Jesus’ to be found by clearing away later ‘accretions and perversions’ and then to be contrasted with the whole Christian tradition. In the last generation we promoted the construction of such a ‘historical Jesus’ on liberal and humanitarian lines; we are now putting forward a new ‘historical Jesus’ on Marxian, catastrophic, and revolutionary lines. The advantages of these constructions, which we intend to change every thirty years or so, are manifold. In the first place they all tend to direct men’s devotion to something which does not exist, for each ‘historical Jesus’ is unhistorical. The documents say what they say and cannot be added to; each new ‘historical Jesus’ therefore has to be got out of them by suppression at one point and exaggeration at another, and by that sort of guessing (brilliant is the adjective we teach humans to apply to it) on which no one would risk ten shillings in ordinary life, but which is enough to produce a crop of new Napoleons, new Shakespeares, and new Swifts, in every publisher’s autumn list. In the second place, all such constructions place the importance of their historical Jesus in some peculiar theory He is supposed to have promulgated. He has to be a ‘great man’ in the modern sense of the word—one standing at the terminus of some centrifugal and unbalanced line of thought —a crank vending a panacea. We thus distract men’s minds from who He is, and what He did….

    The ‘historical Jesus’ then, however dangerous He may seem to be to us at some particular point, is always to be encouraged….

    Your affectionate uncle,
    SCREWTAPE

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  183. @Anonym
    And after moving the embassy to Jerusalem, this is the thanks Trump gets?

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they'll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChZ5UXHWkAAuhDS?format=jpg

    Bar Refaeli weaseled her way out of conscription. She wouldn’t now how to be an Esther.

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    Bar Refaeli weaseled her way out of conscription. She wouldn’t now how to be an Esther.
     
    Why would any sane country conscribe a woman with her looks, health, and attitude toward breeding? From the Daily Mail:

    In an interview with Hello! Fashion Monthly in 2015, the model admitted family is everything to her and she's planning to have a large brood.

    'I think this will be a decade of family... I come from a family of four children,' she told the publication.

    'A lot of mums could read this and think, "Yeah, try having one first". Hopefully, I’ll have a big family, but I'll take it one by one.'

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  184. The deadline President Trump has set for the passage of legislation to adjust the status of hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children by their parents is March 5, just days after Jews worldwide celebrate the festival of Purim. During Purim, which begins Wednesday night, we read the Book of Esther, which tells the story of a vain, corrupt leader willing to sell out a vulnerable people for his own convenience — and invites us to consider the obligations of those not targeted to those who are.

    Is this lady Rabbi writing esoterically and in support of Trump? Or does she just know nothing about Purim?

    The King was a top bloke who was given some bad advice once which he quickly saw through. Like when Nancy Pelosi told Trump to do an immediate amnesty…

    Hint, crazy lady: “the glories of his majesty” is a compliment to that King.

    For the rest of “the whiniest anti-Semites” who flock to this site, and for the lady Rabbi who is equally ignorant about Purim, find a summary below:

    The Book of Esther begins with a six-month (180-day) drinking feast given by King Ahasuerus for the army of Persia and Medea and the civil servants and princes in the 127 provinces of his kingdom, concluding with a seven-day drinking feast for the inhabitants of Shushan (Susa), rich and poor, and a separate drinking feast for the women organized by Queen Vashti in the pavilion of the royal courtyard.

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    At this feast Ahasuerus gets thoroughly drunk, and at the prompting of his courtiers, orders his wife Vashti to display her beauty before the nobles and populace, wearing only her royal crown (the Rabbis of the Oral Torah understand this to mean naked, something she would have wanted to do, but due to a skin condition she refuses to do). Her refusal prompts Ahasuerus to have her removed from her post. Ahasuerus then orders all young women to be presented to him, so he can choose a new queen to replace Vashti. One of these is Esther, who was orphaned at a young age and was being fostered by her first cousin Mordecai. Some rabbinic commentators state that she was actually Mordecai’s wife, since the Torah permits an uncle to marry his niece. She finds favor in the king’s eyes, and is made his new wife. Esther does not reveal her origins and that she is Jewish.

    Shortly afterwards, Mordecai discovers a plot by two palace guards Bigthan and Teresh to kill Ahasuerus. They are apprehended and hanged, and Mordecai’s service to the king is recorded in the daily record of the court.[9]

    Ahasuerus appoints Haman as his viceroy. Mordecai, who sits at the palace gates, falls into Haman’s disfavor as he refuses to bow down to him. Having found out that Mordecai is Jewish, Haman plans to kill not just Mordecai but the entire Jewish minority in the empire. Obtaining Ahasuerus’ permission and funds to execute this plan, he casts lots (“purim”) to choose the date on which to do this – the thirteenth of the month of Adar. When Mordecai finds out about the plans, he puts on sackcloth and ashes, a sign of mourning, publicly weeping and lamenting, and many other Jews in Shushan and other parts of Ahasuerus’ empire do likewise, with widespread penitence and fasting. Esther discovers what has transpired; there follows an exchange of messages between her and Mordecai, with Hatach, one of the palace servants, as the intermediary. Mordecai requests that she intercede with the king on behalf of the embattled Jews; she replies that nobody is allowed to approach the king, under penalty of death. Mordecai warns her that she will not be any safer in the palace than any other Jew, says that if she keeps silent, salvation for the Jews will arrive from some other quarter but “you and your father’s house will perish,” and suggests that she was elevated to the position of queen to be of help in just such an emergency. Esther has a change of heart, says she will fast and pray for three days and will then approach the king to seek his help, despite the law against doing so, and “if I perish, I perish.” She also requests that Mordecai tell all Jews of Shushan to fast and pray for three days together with her. On the third day, she seeks an audience with Ahasuerus, during which she invites him to a feast in the company of Haman. During the feast, she asks them to attend a further feast the next evening. Meanwhile, Haman is again offended by Mordecai’s refusal to bow to him; egged on by his wife Zeresh and unidentified friends, he builds a gallows for Mordecai, with the intention to hang him there the very next day.[10]

    That night, Ahasuerus suffers from insomnia, and when the court’s daily records are read to him to help him fall asleep, he learns of the services rendered by Mordecai in the earlier plot against his life. Ahasuerus asks whether anything was done for Mordecai and is told that he received no recognition for saving the king’s life. Just then, Haman appears, and King Ahasuerus asks him what should be done for the man that the king wishes to honor. Thinking that the king is referring to Haman himself, Haman says that the honoree should be dressed in the king’s royal robes and led around on the king’s royal horse. To Haman’s horror, the king instructs Haman to render such honors to Mordecai.[11]

    Later that evening, Ahasuerus and Haman attend Esther’s second banquet, at which she reveals that she is Jewish and that Haman is planning to exterminate her people, which includes her. Ahasuerus becomes enraged and instead orders Haman hanged on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai. The previous decree against the Jewish people could not be annulled, so the King allows Mordecai and Esther to write another decree as they wish. They decree that Jewish people may preemptively kill those thought to pose a lethal risk. As a result, on 13 Adar, five hundred attackers and Haman’s ten sons are killed in Shushan. Throughout the empire 75,000 of the Jewish peoples’ enemies are killed.[12] On the 14th, another 300 are killed in Shushan. No spoils are taken.[13]

    Mordecai assumes the position of second in rank to Ahasuerus, and institutes an annual commemoration of the delivery of the Jewish people from annihilation.

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  185. @Anonymous
    Simple. He didn't say it.

    What we want, if men become Christians at all, is to keep them in the state of mind I call ‘Christianity And’, You know–Christianity and the Crisis, Christianity and the New Psychology, Christianity and the New Order, Christianity and Faith Healing, Christianity and Physical Research, Christianity and Vegetarianism, Christianity and Spelling Reform. If they must be Christians let them at least be Christians with a difference. Substitute for the faith itself some Fashion with a Christian coloring.

    – CS Lewis, Screwtape Letters

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  186. @Alden
    Did the Persian King Ahasuerus actually exist? If so, are there any historical records of some immigrant nomads murdering 75,8000 Persians?

    Or is it like Moses and David, no written or archeological records exist other than the Bible?

    Did the Persian King Ahasuerus actually exist?

    He’s usually identified with King Xerxes I.

    If so, are there any historical records of some immigrant nomads murdering 75,8000 Persians?

    I wouldn’t take many of the numbers in the Bible literally. For one, they often have symbolic or numerological meanings. For two, I’ve read that the words used for numbers in ancient Hebrew can be rather imprecise and are sometimes thought to mean different things. For example (going from memory, so I might have the specific example or details wrong), I’ve read that some scholars think the word used for ‘thousand’ in some spots in the Bible might instead refer to ‘company’ or ‘chief’. (Whether or not that might apply to the Esther account I have no idea).

    I also don’t think it was Persians that the Jews slaughtered. And the Jews weren’t immigrants. They were captives.

    Or is it like Moses and David, no written or archeological records exist other than the Bible?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David#History_and_archeology

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  187. @Autochthon
    How do they reconcile events during the Second World War and it's aftermath? They were, for once, being fairly successfully slaughtered with no end in sight until the overwhelmingly Christian and atheist Americans, British, and Russians saved their bacon. Did their snooty version of God authorise that? Why didn't He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible? Do the these gentiles at least deserve some begrudging respect and thanks for being chosen by their God as the instruments of their liberation and for taking a large swath of land from its Mohammedan inhabitants and bequeathing it to the Jews?

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage (granted, the Egyptians were ostensibly under duress...)? Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?

    I'm very interested in rigorous sociological and psychological research and analysis of Jews' attitudes and understanding of the concept of gratitude. Or even their theoretical attitudes thereto. Anyone have any recommendations?

    Why didn’t He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible?

    Well, most Jews are secular. Your question would really only apply to Orthodox Jews. For one viewpoint from an Orthodox Jew, I would recommend Michael Wyschogrod’s The Body of Faith.

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage… ?

    The Babylonians did not release the Jews from bondage.

    Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?

    Cyrus the Great was honored by the Jews for freeing them and is greatly praised in the Bible.

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    I stand corrected; I'd never noticed the Jews were in fact released from Babylon only after the Persian conquest thereof (a perfect example of my not being sufficiently interested in Jews commensurate to their demands for attention...).
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  188. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No, an idiot. “Rosamond Vincy” has already covered this in her previous reply.
     
    No, it's perfectly acceptable, if someone chooses to do it. Do Jews accept the religious teachings of ancient Sumeria as being an integral part of their faith? Presumably Abraham did not live by bread and water alone before Jehovah spoke to him. He came from someplace and presumably worshipped the Gods of that place. But judaism pretty much starts de Novo with Abraham and then retcons everything back to creation.

    As far as I know, bhuddists don't feel the need to recapitulate all of hinduism as part of their religious tradition, but that was what bhuddism grew out of.

    See Ms. “Vincy” above. Christianity not only arose from (then-existing, not Talmudic) Judaism; it is inseparable from it. Look what Marcion whom the other guy mentioned and who was not an idiot had to do to make a gulf:

    the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful and a stumbling-block to the refined and intellectual gentiles by its crudity and cruelty, and the Old Testament had to be set aside. The two great obstacles in his way he removed by drastic measures. He had to account for the existence of the Old Testament and he accounted for it by postulating a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god, who was Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The metaphysical relation between these two gods troubled Marcion little; of divine emanation, aeons, syzygies, eternally opposed principles of good and evil, he knows nothing. He may be almost a Manichee in practice, but in theory he has not reached absolute consistency as Mani did a hundred years later. Marcion had secondly to account for those passages in the New Testament which countenanced the Old. He resolutely cut out all texts that were contrary to his dogma; in fact, he created his own New Testament admitting but one gospel, a mutilation of St. Luke, and an Apostolicon containing ten epistles of St. Paul. The mantle of St. Paul had fallen on the shoulders of Marcion in his struggle with the Judaisers. The Catholics of his day were nothing but the Judaisers of the previous century. The pure Pauline Gospel had become corrupted and Marcion, not obscurely, hinted that even the pillar Apostles, Peter, James, and John had betrayed their trust. He loves to speak of “false apostles”, and lets his hearers infer who they were. Once the Old Testament has been completely got rid of, Marcion has no further desire for change.

    (Marcionites, Catholic Encyclopedia)

    More of Marcion’s doctrine:

    The Old Testament is true enough, Moses and the Prophets are messengers of the Demiurge, the Jewish Messias is sure to come and found a millennial kingdom for the Jews on earth, but the Jewish messias has nothing whatever to do with the Christ of God

    This is serious crank territory, at that point. It’s not hard to see why this did not become the dominant strain of Christianity.

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    See Ms. “Vincy” above. Christianity not only arose from (then-existing, not Talmudic) Judaism; it is inseparable from it.
     
    And I suppose that one can say that Bhuddism is inseparable from hindusim.

    Except that it wasn't and isn't.

    People can choose to do whatever they like. Do you imagine that all religion is exclusively subject to rational forces?
    , @Anonymous
    You ought to know by now that one cannot trust Establishment sources to accurately portray the arguments of their victims.
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  189. Aunt Esther maybe

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  190. @John Gruskos
    Joshua, 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Nehemiah and Nahum are all quoted in the New Testament:

    http://www.knowableword.com/2013/03/27/11-old-testament-books-never-quoted-in-the-new-testament/

    Ezra and Nehemiah were typically considered a single book in Jesus' time, so quoting Nehemiah establishes Ezra as canon.

    If Jeremiah and Proverbs are quoted, that implies the other books of Solomon and Jeremiah are canon (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation).

    Jonah is certainly alluded to when Jesus tells the Pharisees the only sign they will receive is the sign of Jonah.

    Likewise, the genealogy of Jesus alludes to Ruth and Judges.

    In fact, the New Testament is packed with allusions to all the books of the Old Testament - but not to Esther.

    Even 1 Maccabees is alluded to when Hanukkah is mentioned in John 10, but Esther and Purim are never hinted at.

    What possible purpose could be served by this literally godless, sordid story of Mordecai pimping out his niece as part of a sneaky power play? To prepare readers for John 8:39 and 44 ? To establish the righteousness of Ezra and Nehemiah by contrasting them with Mordecai and Esther?

    John, viewing Esther as some kind of “negative” example (as you suggest) is a plausible interpretation, although one that generally escapes most Scriptural commenters.

    The political scientist Aaron Wildavsky wrote a study of the Genesis story of Joseph the Vizier, titled “Assimilation vs. Separation,” in which he concluded that despite all the praise heaped on the figure of Joseph down through history, he was meant to be understood as negative contrast to Moses, (whose story immediately follows Joseph’s). Joseph’s career set in motion the problems that Moses–whose biography opposes Joseph’s at every point–had to undo.

    To pietistic interpretors, of course, every episode of the Bible is taken as simply prescriptive; it never seems to occur to them that certain stories might best be understood under the heading, “Men, don’t let this happen to you!” Something similar is at work in Jesus’ parable of the Unjust Steward (featured in the upcoming third Sunday of Lent): the tale of an obvious swindler, plausibly intended by Jesus as a negative example, which modern pietists torture into an exemplar of “shrewd dealing.”

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    Somebody mentioned that one theory is that the story of Jonah and the Whale is a satire in the mode of Swift's Gulliver stories.
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  191. @ChrisZ
    John, viewing Esther as some kind of "negative" example (as you suggest) is a plausible interpretation, although one that generally escapes most Scriptural commenters.

    The political scientist Aaron Wildavsky wrote a study of the Genesis story of Joseph the Vizier, titled "Assimilation vs. Separation," in which he concluded that despite all the praise heaped on the figure of Joseph down through history, he was meant to be understood as negative contrast to Moses, (whose story immediately follows Joseph's). Joseph's career set in motion the problems that Moses--whose biography opposes Joseph's at every point--had to undo.

    To pietistic interpretors, of course, every episode of the Bible is taken as simply prescriptive; it never seems to occur to them that certain stories might best be understood under the heading, "Men, don't let this happen to you!" Something similar is at work in Jesus' parable of the Unjust Steward (featured in the upcoming third Sunday of Lent): the tale of an obvious swindler, plausibly intended by Jesus as a negative example, which modern pietists torture into an exemplar of "shrewd dealing."

    Somebody mentioned that one theory is that the story of Jonah and the Whale is a satire in the mode of Swift’s Gulliver stories.

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    Indeed, Steve, Jonah’s story is memorable for the extract same reason Gulliver's is: because of the fantastical elements that intrude into the mundane.

    The battles over the Book of Jonah are largely between different species of fundamentalists: religious ones who insist that it must be taken literally, versus atheistic ones who insist that the story’s impossibility “proves” the worthlessness of scripture. Neither camp exhibits much in the way of literary appreciation.

    The final line of the book has always struck me as very funny, and as the a key to understanding. Here it is—this is God speaking, by the way:

    “Should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many cattle?”

    It’s a wonderfully humane sentiment, but the bit about the incompetence of the Ninevites, and especially the tag about cattle, suggests a certain bemused wittiness on the part of the Divine.
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  192. @J.Ross
    I like that homophobia becomes permissible when it becomes necessary to shut it down.

    I like that homophobia becomes permissible when it becomes necessary to shut it down.

    It is always who, whom. ANYTHING is permissible as long as the target is on the approved list. Trump Derangement Syndrome provides ample evidence of that.

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  193. @Jon

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they’ll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.
     
    I lived in an Asian country for awhile, and while I did, I always got questioned about Monica. It usually went something like this:
    Q: Is Monica considered beautiful in your country?
    A: Oh god no!
    Q: But then why did your president have an affair with her, he must have had choices?
    A: Um, well, er ...

    I waa actually referring to Trump’s tastes. He prefers tall pretty blondes with some shape to them. Bar Rafaeli is about the only famous Jewess close to his “type” I can think of. Maybe I should have made it explicit.

    Lewinsky’s biggest drawcard was that she was female and proximate.

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    Clinton has a history of going after women with a rabbity, chipmunkish look. Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers had it. Even Hillary had it when she was younger.
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  194. @silviosilver

    Accept Jesus, and ya gotta take the prequels
     
    Says who?

    Let's say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT - what are you going to do about it? Call him a 'non-Christian'? Oh no, I bet he's shaking in his boots.

    Like it or not, when it comes to religion people have the ability (and nowadays, the right) to make up their own minds about what to believe or not. That is really how religion has functioned all throughout the ages, even during the most religiously oppressive periods. The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out 'heresy' was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness. Few things would make me happier than to see that whole section bowdlerized.

    Let’s say a person accepts Christ but rejects the OT – what are you going to do about it? Call him a ‘non-Christian’?

    No. A heretic.

    Marcion lives on.

    The whole reason authorities tried so hard to stamp out ‘heresy’ was that there were people who found the official versions unappealing, and turned to something more spiritually satisfying.

    This doesn’t sound like a reason.

    Personally, I think it is maddening as hell that Europeans spent so long treating the moral filth that is the OT as the height of holiness.

    The ironic thing is that the only reason we moderns view the O.T. as morally distasteful is because of Christianity.

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  195. @Kam Phlodius
    Actually, left-wing Jewish persons do not "hate hate hate" Israel. (But if you insist on living in a fantasy world, I suppose no one can stop you.) According to Norman Podhoretz, 78% of Jewish persons have voted Democratic in presidential elections since 1928. Do you think 78% of our Jewish friends hate the modern state of Israel?

    According to Norman Podhoretz, 78% of Jewish persons have voted Democratic in presidential elections since 1928.

    That’s not hating Israel. That’s hating America.

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  196. @Yngvar
    Bar Refaeli weaseled her way out of conscription. She wouldn't now how to be an Esther.

    Bar Refaeli weaseled her way out of conscription. She wouldn’t now how to be an Esther.

    Why would any sane country conscribe a woman with her looks, health, and attitude toward breeding? From the Daily Mail:

    In an interview with Hello! Fashion Monthly in 2015, the model admitted family is everything to her and she’s planning to have a large brood.

    ‘I think this will be a decade of family… I come from a family of four children,’ she told the publication.

    ‘A lot of mums could read this and think, “Yeah, try having one first”. Hopefully, I’ll have a big family, but I’ll take it one by one.’

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  197. @kaganovitch
    I would suggest a different analogy. The dreamers are still the Jews in Persia, but Trump is Xerxes’ son Cyrus

    I don't think Xerxes had a son named Cyrus. Cyrus the Great who Trump seems to be channeling preceded Xerxes by over half a century.

    So what’s the deal, Esther and Mordechai lived after the return to Israel under Ezra and Nehemiah?

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    Yes, they had it good where they were, apparently, or so at least they thought.
    , @kaganovitch
    According to generally accepted History, Ezra/Nehemiah postdate Esther significantly. If Ahasuerus is Xerxes than he reigned from 486-465 B.C.E. Ezra arrives in Israel in the 7th year of Artaxerxes 458 B.C.E. and Nehemiah in the 20th year of Artaxerxes 445 B.C.E. If you read the Book of Ezra carefully you will see that Ezra is the third wave of returnees to Israel and the Temple had already been rebuilt well b4 his return. So 1st and 2nd wave of return predate Esther, but 3rd wave (Ezra and Nehemiah ) postdate Esther.
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  198. @silviosilver
    Whether it happened or just a story is surely secondary to the fact that they are celebrating slaughter, isn't it? If it were any other group of people in the world doing this, what do you suppose Jews would have to say about it?

    And, lol, I don't even want to think of the Jewish hysteria that would be generated if the slaughter being celebrated was that of Jews. Imagine Egyptians, say, annoyed at Joseph's infiltration of their government, were in the habit of celebrating the death of every firstborn Jew, of Jews being overrun by plagues of frogs etc, before Joseph and his henchmen were finally expelled from the land. Would Jews keep quiet about that or would they denounce it, and demand the doctrine were repudiated?

    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what’s your problem with that? You don’t celebrate America’s victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren’t fought in self-defense even.)

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    You don’t celebrate America’s victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren’t fought in self-defense even.)
     
    The Esther situation wasn't a regular war, it was Kosovo-style ethnic strife. And Americans don't actually hold holidays celebrating the carnage of the MexAm, the Civil War, SpanAm, WWII, Korea, Gulf, or any of the Indian wars. We do have Veterans'/Armistice day which is not quite the same thing.

    That said, I don't really have anything against you guys celebrating your tribal victories. It's just amusing noting the cognitive dissonance in the typical Jewish attitude (not yours I take it) to these things.
    , @silviosilver

    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what’s your problem with that?
     
    How many Americans celebrate the slaughter and ethnic cleansing of the Indians?

    How many Australians commemorate the slaughter of Aborigines with a religious festival dedicated to the occasion?

    I'm sure it will rub you the wrong way to be told so, but Jews celebrating "Passover" is about on par with Russians celebrating the pogroms or Palestinians celebrating suicide bombings. Once you drop the silly notion that of course Jews are special people whose interests are inherently more important than anyone else's, it's not hard to concede this point.

    , @Anonymous
    Is defense of others not on a higher moral plane than self-defense? When have the Jews ever done that?
    , @Mr. Anon

    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what’s your problem with that? You don’t celebrate America’s victories in its wars?
     
    Not really. Memorial and Veterans Day commemorate the fallen mostly, and veterans more generally, not the victories per se. And we certainly don't celebrate victories as religious holidays.
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  199. @Steve Sailer
    Somebody mentioned that one theory is that the story of Jonah and the Whale is a satire in the mode of Swift's Gulliver stories.

    Indeed, Steve, Jonah’s story is memorable for the extract same reason Gulliver’s is: because of the fantastical elements that intrude into the mundane.

    The battles over the Book of Jonah are largely between different species of fundamentalists: religious ones who insist that it must be taken literally, versus atheistic ones who insist that the story’s impossibility “proves” the worthlessness of scripture. Neither camp exhibits much in the way of literary appreciation.

    The final line of the book has always struck me as very funny, and as the a key to understanding. Here it is—this is God speaking, by the way:

    “Should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many cattle?”

    It’s a wonderfully humane sentiment, but the bit about the incompetence of the Ninevites, and especially the tag about cattle, suggests a certain bemused wittiness on the part of the Divine.

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  200. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what's your problem with that? You don't celebrate America's victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren't fought in self-defense even.)

    You don’t celebrate America’s victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren’t fought in self-defense even.)

    The Esther situation wasn’t a regular war, it was Kosovo-style ethnic strife. And Americans don’t actually hold holidays celebrating the carnage of the MexAm, the Civil War, SpanAm, WWII, Korea, Gulf, or any of the Indian wars. We do have Veterans’/Armistice day which is not quite the same thing.

    That said, I don’t really have anything against you guys celebrating your tribal victories. It’s just amusing noting the cognitive dissonance in the typical Jewish attitude (not yours I take it) to these things.

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    Americans don’t actually hold holidays celebrating the carnage of the MexAm, the Civil War, SpanAm, WWII, Korea, Gulf, or any of the Indian wars.
     
    Quite right. But the Book of Esther can't fairly be said to be "about" carnage either; the carnage part is the subject of part of chapter 9 (of 10). The rest of Esther is about how, through nonviolent cleverness, the Jews narrowly escaped slaughter.
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  201. @International Jew
    So what's the deal, Esther and Mordechai lived after the return to Israel under Ezra and Nehemiah?

    Yes, they had it good where they were, apparently, or so at least they thought.

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  202. @Anonym
    I waa actually referring to Trump's tastes. He prefers tall pretty blondes with some shape to them. Bar Rafaeli is about the only famous Jewess close to his "type" I can think of. Maybe I should have made it explicit.

    Lewinsky's biggest drawcard was that she was female and proximate.

    Clinton has a history of going after women with a rabbity, chipmunkish look. Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers had it. Even Hillary had it when she was younger.

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  203. @AndrewR
    Has there ever been a more annoying and unfunny talk show host than Job Oliver? Anywhere on earth? Ever? Even Trevor Noah isn't quite as annoying, and that's saying a lot.

    For retarded lefty Millenials, his status as a Daily Show alumnus will keep his career afloat for life.

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  204. @silviosilver

    Ancient writers claimed the Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus and in Cyrenaica they killed another 220,000 inhabitants from 115 to 117AD.
     
    Ancient Jewish writers had a habit of wildly inflating numbers (the Talmud's even worse at this), so even if these massacres happened, the numbers of dead were in all likelihood much smaller.

    But still, it's the fact that these incidents are deemed worthy of celebration that is the problem. Where is the moral outrage, the denunciation, the lamenting of man's inhumanity to man? None that I can see. Instead we're told that these goys were nasty to Jews, so therefore Jews were justified in massacring them.

    What would Jews think if Europeans decided that, you know what, Jewish influence really has been instrumental in the policies that are wrecking our countries, we're going to start celebrating the Holocaust? It's not very nice, is it. Well what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Even if goys historically haven't always behaved humanely towards Jews, celebrating the slaughter of these goys is just a bit much, you know.

    The account of the Kitos war seems to come from Gentile historians such as Dio Cassius. Of course, it is possible he and others did exaggerate the body count of those killed by the Jews.

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  205. @Jon

    Pro tip: for the current Esther mission, this time they’ll need someone a little less Monica Lewinsky and a little more Bar Rafaeli.
     
    I lived in an Asian country for awhile, and while I did, I always got questioned about Monica. It usually went something like this:
    Q: Is Monica considered beautiful in your country?
    A: Oh god no!
    Q: But then why did your president have an affair with her, he must have had choices?
    A: Um, well, er ...

    Men are lazy, Monica was there at hand.

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  206. @International Jew
    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what's your problem with that? You don't celebrate America's victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren't fought in self-defense even.)

    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what’s your problem with that?

    How many Americans celebrate the slaughter and ethnic cleansing of the Indians?

    How many Australians commemorate the slaughter of Aborigines with a religious festival dedicated to the occasion?

    I’m sure it will rub you the wrong way to be told so, but Jews celebrating “Passover” is about on par with Russians celebrating the pogroms or Palestinians celebrating suicide bombings. Once you drop the silly notion that of course Jews are special people whose interests are inherently more important than anyone else’s, it’s not hard to concede this point.

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    I’m sure it will rub you the wrong way to be told so, but Jews celebrating “Passover” is about on par with Russians celebrating the pogroms or Palestinians celebrating suicide bombings.
     
    Passover is primarily a celebration of the Hebrews being saved rather than being a celebration of the killing of the Egyptian firstborn, since the Angel of Death passed over the Hebrew houses and spared them.

    It's important to remember that earlier Pharaoh had tried to slaughter all the Hebrew boys (and presumably succeeded at killing some of them). This proves to be his undoing, as Moses was saved from death and is then the instrument by which God punishes Pharaoh for his evil. There is a nice symmetry to the story.

    The Russian pogroms are not really a good analogy. The Hebrews didn't do any slaughtering. It would be more like celebrating the fact that a great calamity had befallen your oppressor that allowed your people to go free.
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  207. @John Gruskos
    Joshua, 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Nehemiah and Nahum are all quoted in the New Testament:

    http://www.knowableword.com/2013/03/27/11-old-testament-books-never-quoted-in-the-new-testament/

    Ezra and Nehemiah were typically considered a single book in Jesus' time, so quoting Nehemiah establishes Ezra as canon.

    If Jeremiah and Proverbs are quoted, that implies the other books of Solomon and Jeremiah are canon (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation).

    Jonah is certainly alluded to when Jesus tells the Pharisees the only sign they will receive is the sign of Jonah.

    Likewise, the genealogy of Jesus alludes to Ruth and Judges.

    In fact, the New Testament is packed with allusions to all the books of the Old Testament - but not to Esther.

    Even 1 Maccabees is alluded to when Hanukkah is mentioned in John 10, but Esther and Purim are never hinted at.

    What possible purpose could be served by this literally godless, sordid story of Mordecai pimping out his niece as part of a sneaky power play? To prepare readers for John 8:39 and 44 ? To establish the righteousness of Ezra and Nehemiah by contrasting them with Mordecai and Esther?

    Ezra and Nehemiah were typically considered a single book in Jesus’ time, so quoting Nehemiah establishes Ezra as canon.

    If Jeremiah and Proverbs are quoted, that implies the other books of Solomon and Jeremiah are canon (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentation).

    No, quotation is not a criterion for establishing canon.

    Jude quotes the Book of Enoch, which is not considered canon by most churches.

    St. Paul quotes pagans. These pagan sources are not canon.

    Esther and Purim are never hinted at.

    Some think that the festival Jesus is celebrating in John 5 is Purim.

    What possible purpose could be served by this literally godless, sordid story of Mordecai pimping out his niece as part of a sneaky power play?

    The Jews being delivered from the hands of their enemies. A common theme in the Bible.

    Jews likely also connected it to Exodus 17 and Deuteronomy 25 and interpreted Esther as a fulfillment these passages.

    From the Christian perspective, the church fathers regarded Esther as a type of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

    Also, the early Church used the Greek version of Esther, which does mention God.

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  208. So, a Jew manoeuvres themselves into a leadership position in order to mass murder people in the Middle East. What an incredible story. I’d like to say ‘off topic’, but Jared Kushner has just been edged out of the center, so there won’t be war on Iran soon.

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  209. @silviosilver

    Silvio who replied to you is another example of a dumb antisemite just spouting off things he knows nothing about. He claims Jews are somehow proud of the body count they racked up in the second Roman-Jewish war.
     
    Of course, I didn't actually say that. I said they celebrate their victories over their foes, regardless of how gruesome, with little in the way of the kind of self-reflection or self-correction they are constantly urging on other groups. This is the point you need to contest, if you can. (Calling me an 'antisemite,' in these parts, doesn't count as an argument, remember.)

    I mean, there are numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz, right? How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? Moral consistency would seem to demand it.

    “numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz”

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    If there are really “numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz” you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we’ve heard of.

    “How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? ”

    Well we didn’t massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.

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    Oh please. The conquest of Palestine--which is ongoing, by the way--has been incredibly bloody. Wars and sanctions against Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen.
    , @ChrisZ
    Lot, it’s not an answer to your precise question about people who unjustly correlate the Gospel and Nazism, but Bill Clinton in a presidential press conference asserted as fact that Hitler had preached a form of Christianity.

    Your point about Nazism actually being anti-Christian is exactly right. Certainly they held to an ersatz pagan spirituality. But an overlooked fact is the attraction that Eastern religions, especially Buddhism, held for many Nazi leaders. The leading German Sanskrit scholar even favorably compared the Buddha to the author of Mein Kampf.
    , @silviosilver

    Well we didn’t massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we?
     
    Well, firstly, "God" (Yahweh, Jehovah, some pettifogging, tyrranical Hebrew tribal deity) doesn't exist - let's stop kidding ourselves - so logically you weren't "granted" anything. You basically decided to evict the Arabs "squatting" on land you had your sights set on - much the way the Nazis decided to evict the Jews "squatting" on land they had their sights set on, if the analogy helps you get the point.

    Secondly, don't incidents like Deir Yassin* (to name but one) count as massacres in your book? How so?

    *I'm surprised there isn't some religious festival dedicated to it, although I probably shouldn't speak too soon.

    , @silviosilver

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.
     
    Neither I nor the Jewish authors I had in mind claim the Nazis were acting out of a sense of Christian duty; clearly, the Nazis (especially the higher-ups) were staunchly anti-Christian, regardless of what they said for public consumption. That hasn't stopped some Jews from apportioning a share of the blame for the Holocaust to Christianity though.

    If there are really “numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz” you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we’ve heard of.
     
    By people we've heard of? Lol. Has there ever been a single occasion you've felt the need to set the bar so high? Presumably you mean by writers so well known it would be unlikely that readers haven't heard of them. But I never claimed that these writers were well known, only that they were numerous.

    To be honest, I did have to google them, since I've only read one of them (Goldhagen - but gave up before finishing) and I've never been at all interested in the subject matter. I only know of their existence from - brace yourself - what I've read said about them on racialist/WN sites.

    Anyway, these four authors all advance the claim that Christianity was to some degree responsible for the Holocaust: Daniel Goldhagen, Alex Sternberg, Guenter Lewy, and David Kertzer. I'm sure we both know that a bit more googling would yield even more results, so you can stop playing dumb now.


    Well we didn’t massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.
     
    To respond to this for a second time, the point is your tribal-religious beliefs were a direct cause of the Palestinians' eviction from their land. No such tribal-religious beliefs, no such Nakba. Obviously. There is a conspicuous absence of Jewish writers willing to make this point in a morally condemnatory fashion.
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  210. @International Jew
    They slaughtered their enemies, yeah. So what's your problem with that? You don't celebrate America's victories in its wars? (Which, since 1812, weren't fought in self-defense even.)

    Is defense of others not on a higher moral plane than self-defense? When have the Jews ever done that?

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    Visit Arlington cemetery and you will see many examples.
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  211. @Jon Halpenny
    The account of the Kitos war seems to come from Gentile historians such as Dio Cassius. Of course, it is possible he and others did exaggerate the body count of those killed by the Jews.

    Why would someone exaggerate a body count?

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    Almost all ancient battles and massacres had greatly exaggerated bodycounts. Most are reported after a chain of chinese whispers and so are especially prone to sensationalism. The 300 Spartans faced off against a million Persians?
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  212. @Lot
    "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz"

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    If there are really "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz" you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we've heard of.

    "How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? "

    Well we didn't massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.

    Oh please. The conquest of Palestine–which is ongoing, by the way–has been incredibly bloody. Wars and sanctions against Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen.

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  213. @Ian M.

    Why didn’t He intervene directly, ot at least empower them to save themselves like he did so often in the Bible?
     
    Well, most Jews are secular. Your question would really only apply to Orthodox Jews. For one viewpoint from an Orthodox Jew, I would recommend Michael Wyschogrod's The Body of Faith.

    What about the historical decisions by the Egyptians and Babylonians to voluntarily release then from bondage... ?
     
    The Babylonians did not release the Jews from bondage.

    Does manumission in an age of ubiquitous slavery not merit any gratitude whatsoever?
     
    Cyrus the Great was honored by the Jews for freeing them and is greatly praised in the Bible.

    I stand corrected; I’d never noticed the Jews were in fact released from Babylon only after the Persian conquest thereof (a perfect example of my not being sufficiently interested in Jews commensurate to their demands for attention…).

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    a perfect example of my not being sufficiently interested in Jews commensurate to their demands for attention…
     
    It has more to do with our civilization having lost any interest in its heritage than it has to do with lack of attention to the Jews.
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  214. @Lot
    "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz"

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    If there are really "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz" you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we've heard of.

    "How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? "

    Well we didn't massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.

    Lot, it’s not an answer to your precise question about people who unjustly correlate the Gospel and Nazism, but Bill Clinton in a presidential press conference asserted as fact that Hitler had preached a form of Christianity.

    Your point about Nazism actually being anti-Christian is exactly right. Certainly they held to an ersatz pagan spirituality. But an overlooked fact is the attraction that Eastern religions, especially Buddhism, held for many Nazi leaders. The leading German Sanskrit scholar even favorably compared the Buddha to the author of Mein Kampf.

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    The Nazis had a lot of links with German "life improvement" crackpottery, like health food nuts like my Swiss German-American grandfather, Oujia board enthusiasts, hollow earth theorists, etc. California hippies and German Nazis don't have too many degrees of separation. I could imagine Hitler growing up to be Steve Jobs if he had been adopted as an infant in the 1950s by a nice couple in Santa Clara County.
    , @Anonymous
    MANY Hindu religionists in India admired the Nazis and I am certain some number (though perhaps small today) still do.

    At one conference in the Sixties, a Hindu leader excoriated a speaker for denigrating the Nazi leadership, saying, "I will not have Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany insulted!"

    Of course, one of the primary figures of post-WWII National Socialist thought was Savitri Devi, who is a case unto herself.
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  215. @ChrisZ
    Lot, it’s not an answer to your precise question about people who unjustly correlate the Gospel and Nazism, but Bill Clinton in a presidential press conference asserted as fact that Hitler had preached a form of Christianity.

    Your point about Nazism actually being anti-Christian is exactly right. Certainly they held to an ersatz pagan spirituality. But an overlooked fact is the attraction that Eastern religions, especially Buddhism, held for many Nazi leaders. The leading German Sanskrit scholar even favorably compared the Buddha to the author of Mein Kampf.

    The Nazis had a lot of links with German “life improvement” crackpottery, like health food nuts like my Swiss German-American grandfather, Oujia board enthusiasts, hollow earth theorists, etc. California hippies and German Nazis don’t have too many degrees of separation. I could imagine Hitler growing up to be Steve Jobs if he had been adopted as an infant in the 1950s by a nice couple in Santa Clara County.

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    Californian Nazi Jost Turner comes to mind here.
    , @ChrisZ
    Steve, I recall your posts and articles on these connections. They are among the many fascinating, wide-ranging, and original ideas I’ve encountered through your writing. Thanks.
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  216. @Rosamond Vincy
    I doubt either was so attractive in real life. They were probably 4'11" with bad teeth.

    There is no reason to assume that upper-class people with access to plenty of meat would have been stunted and deformed. There were a lot of tall pre-modern people. Cro-Magnon men were typically over 6′, as was the Emperor Commodus; Charlemagne was 6-4, Peter the Great was 6-8, the singer Farinelli was 6-3 (admittedly because he was a castrato), Abraham Lincoln and Winfield Scott were 6-4 and 6-5. Ramses the Great was a fairly respectable 5-7, same as Putin.

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    I visited Lincoln's 1850s house in Springfield, IL. It's fairly modern looking, but it's built and furnished on a slightly smaller scale than modern houses. I'm 6'4" as well, but I don't have much if any inconvenience or discomfort from it. Lincoln must have, though. Doorframes were much shorter than today's 6'8", his bed was way too short for him so he slept kind of sitting up, he often sat on the floor because his chairs were too small, etc.

    At some point in history (maybe the 1920s, the 1950s?), America standardized on a larger scale of furnishings where all but about the tallest 1% are pretty comfortable outside of airliners. Wilt Chamberlain built an oversized house for himself in the Hollywood Hills, but that is rare for guys under 6'8".

    I vaguely hear that the Netherlands is undergoing a similar upsizing.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Upper class people often had worse teeth then peasants, because they could afford sweets. Don't know about height--they might have had access to protein, but how much dairy were they getting? Bones need calcium.
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  217. @Steve Sailer
    The Nazis had a lot of links with German "life improvement" crackpottery, like health food nuts like my Swiss German-American grandfather, Oujia board enthusiasts, hollow earth theorists, etc. California hippies and German Nazis don't have too many degrees of separation. I could imagine Hitler growing up to be Steve Jobs if he had been adopted as an infant in the 1950s by a nice couple in Santa Clara County.

    Californian Nazi Jost Turner comes to mind here.

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  218. @Lot
    "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz"

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    If there are really "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz" you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we've heard of.

    "How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? "

    Well we didn't massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.

    Well we didn’t massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we?

    Well, firstly, “God” (Yahweh, Jehovah, some pettifogging, tyrranical Hebrew tribal deity) doesn’t exist – let’s stop kidding ourselves – so logically you weren’t “granted” anything. You basically decided to evict the Arabs “squatting” on land you had your sights set on – much the way the Nazis decided to evict the Jews “squatting” on land they had their sights set on, if the analogy helps you get the point.

    Secondly, don’t incidents like Deir Yassin* (to name but one) count as massacres in your book? How so?

    *I’m surprised there isn’t some religious festival dedicated to it, although I probably shouldn’t speak too soon.

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  219. @Amasius
    There is no reason to assume that upper-class people with access to plenty of meat would have been stunted and deformed. There were a lot of tall pre-modern people. Cro-Magnon men were typically over 6', as was the Emperor Commodus; Charlemagne was 6-4, Peter the Great was 6-8, the singer Farinelli was 6-3 (admittedly because he was a castrato), Abraham Lincoln and Winfield Scott were 6-4 and 6-5. Ramses the Great was a fairly respectable 5-7, same as Putin.

    I visited Lincoln’s 1850s house in Springfield, IL. It’s fairly modern looking, but it’s built and furnished on a slightly smaller scale than modern houses. I’m 6’4″ as well, but I don’t have much if any inconvenience or discomfort from it. Lincoln must have, though. Doorframes were much shorter than today’s 6’8″, his bed was way too short for him so he slept kind of sitting up, he often sat on the floor because his chairs were too small, etc.

    At some point in history (maybe the 1920s, the 1950s?), America standardized on a larger scale of furnishings where all but about the tallest 1% are pretty comfortable outside of airliners. Wilt Chamberlain built an oversized house for himself in the Hollywood Hills, but that is rare for guys under 6’8″.

    I vaguely hear that the Netherlands is undergoing a similar upsizing.

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  220. @Amasius
    There is no reason to assume that upper-class people with access to plenty of meat would have been stunted and deformed. There were a lot of tall pre-modern people. Cro-Magnon men were typically over 6', as was the Emperor Commodus; Charlemagne was 6-4, Peter the Great was 6-8, the singer Farinelli was 6-3 (admittedly because he was a castrato), Abraham Lincoln and Winfield Scott were 6-4 and 6-5. Ramses the Great was a fairly respectable 5-7, same as Putin.

    Upper class people often had worse teeth then peasants, because they could afford sweets. Don’t know about height–they might have had access to protein, but how much dairy were they getting? Bones need calcium.

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    they might have had access to protein, but how much dairy were they getting? Bones need calcium.
     
    Indo-Europeans are all milk/cheese people (secondary products revolution), along with most Semites. But you don't even need dairy to get enough calcium if you're on a paleo-style diet. Where do the cows get it? Leafy greens, baby.

    https://paleoleap.com/calcium/

    I'll concede the point on teeth, but that's mostly because of the grains in their diet. Egyptians had especially bad problems because of sand in the bread. On the other hand, pre-agricultural caveman types didn't get many cavities at all.

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    @ChrisZ
    Lot, it’s not an answer to your precise question about people who unjustly correlate the Gospel and Nazism, but Bill Clinton in a presidential press conference asserted as fact that Hitler had preached a form of Christianity.

    Your point about Nazism actually being anti-Christian is exactly right. Certainly they held to an ersatz pagan spirituality. But an overlooked fact is the attraction that Eastern religions, especially Buddhism, held for many Nazi leaders. The leading German Sanskrit scholar even favorably compared the Buddha to the author of Mein Kampf.

    MANY Hindu religionists in India admired the Nazis and I am certain some number (though perhaps small today) still do.

    At one conference in the Sixties, a Hindu leader excoriated a speaker for denigrating the Nazi leadership, saying, “I will not have Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany insulted!”

    Of course, one of the primary figures of post-WWII National Socialist thought was Savitri Devi, who is a case unto herself.

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    MANY Hindu religionists in India admired the Nazis and I am certain some number (though perhaps small today) still do.
     
    That never fails to astonish me. Don't they realize what actual Nazis would have thought (do think) of them (filthy non-white scum etc)?

    As a form of self-assertion in the face of an indifferent universe, I suppose fascism can help add a bit of meaning to life. But the constant focus on 'overcoming' and 'rebirth' and 'strength' and blah blah...what a tiresome ideology. And that's not to even mention the international upheaval it causes. Fascists are totally kidding themselves if they think they could peacefully coexist with fascists of another group. The whole thing is complete hogwash.

    So, even though I think the Nazis had (and do) indeed hit upon a number of important racial hometruths, my opinion of them overall couldn't differ more from that of these Hindoo religionists. I will remain eternally grateful that the Soviets (with not inconsiderable western aid) vanquished the lousy, no good sons of bitches. Vanquished them good and hard.
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  222. @Steve Sailer
    The Nazis had a lot of links with German "life improvement" crackpottery, like health food nuts like my Swiss German-American grandfather, Oujia board enthusiasts, hollow earth theorists, etc. California hippies and German Nazis don't have too many degrees of separation. I could imagine Hitler growing up to be Steve Jobs if he had been adopted as an infant in the 1950s by a nice couple in Santa Clara County.

    Steve, I recall your posts and articles on these connections. They are among the many fascinating, wide-ranging, and original ideas I’ve encountered through your writing. Thanks.

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    Hitler and Steve Jobs seem pretty similar: very art-driven without quite being artists, more like art patrons.

    Jobs was more of a self-starter at a younger age: he had taken Apple public by the age when Hitler was still kind of a directionless hipster. But after that they were both dynamos.

    The story of how Hitler heard about and adopted the radical Manstein-Guderian blitzkrieg plan for conquering France sounds like you could change a few details and make it a story out of Apple history about how Steve Jobs heard of some underling's big breakthrough that was being hushed up by higher-ups and bet the company on it.

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  223. @Lot
    "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz"

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    If there are really "numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz" you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we've heard of.

    "How many Jewish writers ever think to draw a straight line from the Old Testament to the Nakba? "

    Well we didn't massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.

    I have no idea what that means. The Nazis were generally as anti-Christian as they thought they could get away with and privately planned to further repress Christianity after the war. They and neonazis tend to be into Germanic pagan stuff, as inaccurately recreated by various mid-19th century crackpots and mystics.

    Neither I nor the Jewish authors I had in mind claim the Nazis were acting out of a sense of Christian duty; clearly, the Nazis (especially the higher-ups) were staunchly anti-Christian, regardless of what they said for public consumption. That hasn’t stopped some Jews from apportioning a share of the blame for the Holocaust to Christianity though.

    If there are really “numerous Jewish writers who draw a straight line from the New Testament to Auschwitz” you should have no trouble citing just four instances of this by people we’ve heard of.

    By people we’ve heard of? Lol. Has there ever been a single occasion you’ve felt the need to set the bar so high? Presumably you mean by writers so well known it would be unlikely that readers haven’t heard of them. But I never claimed that these writers were well known, only that they were numerous.

    To be honest, I did have to google them, since I’ve only read one of them (Goldhagen – but gave up before finishing) and I’ve never been at all interested in the subject matter. I only know of their existence from – brace yourself – what I’ve read said about them on racialist/WN sites.

    Anyway, these four authors all advance the claim that Christianity was to some degree responsible for the Holocaust: Daniel Goldhagen, Alex Sternberg, Guenter Lewy, and David Kertzer. I’m sure we both know that a bit more googling would yield even more results, so you can stop playing dumb now.

    Well we didn’t massacre the Arabs squatting on the land God granted our ancestors and the British so graciously though incompletely regranted to us, did we? All in all, the reconquest of Israel was a remarkablely peaceful affair by mid-20th century standards.

    To respond to this for a second time, the point is your tribal-religious beliefs were a direct cause of the Palestinians’ eviction from their land. No such tribal-religious beliefs, no such Nakba. Obviously. There is a conspicuous absence of Jewish writers willing to make this point in a morally condemnatory fashion.

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  224. @ChrisZ
    Steve, I recall your posts and articles on these connections. They are among the many fascinating, wide-ranging, and original ideas I’ve encountered through your writing. Thanks.

    Hitler and Steve Jobs seem pretty similar: very art-driven without quite being artists, more like art patrons.

    Jobs was more of a self-starter at a younger age: he had taken Apple public by the age when Hitler was still kind of a directionless hipster. But after that they were both dynamos.

    The story of how Hitler heard about and adopted the radical Manstein-Guderian blitzkrieg plan for conquering France sounds like you could change a few details and make it a story out of Apple history about how Steve Jobs heard of some underling’s big breakthrough that was being hushed up by higher-ups and bet the company on it.

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    I think Hitler qualified as a professional artist. He painted postcards (among other artworks) and sold them for money. He didn't do it for very long, but he did do it. I think it's fair to call someone like that an artist.

    I know jack about art, but from what I've seen of Hitler's artwork, I think it looks pretty good. Others had to point out to me the weakness of his human figures, and I agreed after looking more closely, but all the same I didn't think they were that bad, either.

    Lastly, with some of the utter rubbish that goes under the banner of "art" today, I think Hitler amply qualifies as an artist.
    , @Anonymous
    In the sense that Boyd Rice uses the term, Jobs was an "esthetic fascist" of the first rank. He had visions of how certain things should work and he went to considerable lengths to impose them on his projects. Indeed, the Macintosh would have failed utterly had not his employees sneakily undermined some of his dicta, such as the nonexpandability of the 128k Macintosh,and went ahead and designed the expandability for color into the Classic Mac OS and Toolkit.

    And like Hitler, Jobs didn't learn in a lot of cases but occasionally did. He spent like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse on his NeXT venture, but used a soon to be obsolescent architecture and again, insisted on monochrome instead of color when it was obvious no one wanted monochrome very much. And he licensed huge amounts of outside commercial code rather than developing inhouse what could not be used from open source, which made some sense when he was selling profitable hardware, but made the OS economically unsaleable as a standalone product when he dropped the beautiful but underpowered and expensive hardware.

    On the other hand, his stubborn vision gave us a popularly priced GUI computer and then the smartphone. We need a few Jobses , and maybe the price of that is, we get a few Hitlers.
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  225. @Anonymous
    MANY Hindu religionists in India admired the Nazis and I am certain some number (though perhaps small today) still do.

    At one conference in the Sixties, a Hindu leader excoriated a speaker for denigrating the Nazi leadership, saying, "I will not have Sri Hitler and the pandits of Germany insulted!"

    Of course, one of the primary figures of post-WWII National Socialist thought was Savitri Devi, who is a case unto herself.

    MANY Hindu religionists in India admired the Nazis and I am certain some number (though perhaps small today) still do.

    That never fails to astonish me. Don’t they realize what actual Nazis would have thought (do think) of them (filthy non-white scum etc)?

    As a form of self-assertion in the face of an indifferent universe, I suppose fascism can help add a bit of meaning to life. But the constant focus on ‘overcoming’ and ‘rebirth’ and ‘strength’ and blah blah…what a tiresome ideology. And that’s not to even mention the international upheaval it causes. Fascists are totally kidding themselves if they think they could peacefully coexist with fascists of another group. The whole thing is complete hogwash.

    So, even though I think the Nazis had (and do) indeed hit upon a number of important racial hometruths, my opinion of them overall couldn’t differ more from that of these Hindoo religionists. I will remain eternally grateful that the Soviets (with not inconsiderable western aid) vanquished the lousy, no good sons of bitches. Vanquished them good and hard.

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    You missed that the Savitri Devi the other guy mentioned:

    Of course, one of the primary figures of post-WWII National Socialist thought was Savitri Devi, who is a case unto herself.
     
    was a white woman. The Nazis had some wacky ideas and were not really internally consistent.
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  226. @Steve Sailer
    Hitler and Steve Jobs seem pretty similar: very art-driven without quite being artists, more like art patrons.

    Jobs was more of a self-starter at a younger age: he had taken Apple public by the age when Hitler was still kind of a directionless hipster. But after that they were both dynamos.

    The story of how Hitler heard about and adopted the radical Manstein-Guderian blitzkrieg plan for conquering France sounds like you could change a few details and make it a story out of Apple history about how Steve Jobs heard of some underling's big breakthrough that was being hushed up by higher-ups and bet the company on it.

    I think Hitler qualified as a professional artist. He painted postcards (among other artworks) and sold them for money. He didn’t do it for very long, but he did do it. I think it’s fair to call someone like that an artist.

    I know jack about art, but from what I’ve seen of Hitler’s artwork, I think it looks pretty good. Others had to point out to me the weakness of his human figures, and I agreed after looking more closely, but all the same I didn’t think they were that bad, either.

    Lastly, with some of the utter rubbish that goes under the banner of “art” today, I think Hitler amply qualifies as an artist.

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  227. @Pericles
    lol it's the gay creeper again

    lol you are so gay yourself that you can’t hide it

    I am not gay, why do you want me to be?

    lol Pericles is a gay name when people with that name say lol it is very gay

    grow up lol dude

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    By the way, one reason I criticize you is because you make your fellow whites look bad with your amusement at your childish insults.

    White people - all people - should be better than that.

    Stop making white people look bad, Pericles. And no, you do not understand physics well enough to have an opinion, and no, you are not a better white person than me. Because I don't say "lol" like some little kid, for one thing. Treat older white men with more respect, little dude.

    You are welcome for the good advice.

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  228. @silviosilver

    MANY Hindu religionists in India admired the Nazis and I am certain some number (though perhaps small today) still do.
     
    That never fails to astonish me. Don't they realize what actual Nazis would have thought (do think) of them (filthy non-white scum etc)?

    As a form of self-assertion in the face of an indifferent universe, I suppose fascism can help add a bit of meaning to life. But the constant focus on 'overcoming' and 'rebirth' and 'strength' and blah blah...what a tiresome ideology. And that's not to even mention the international upheaval it causes. Fascists are totally kidding themselves if they think they could peacefully coexist with fascists of another group. The whole thing is complete hogwash.

    So, even though I think the Nazis had (and do) indeed hit upon a number of important racial hometruths, my opinion of them overall couldn't differ more from that of these Hindoo religionists. I will remain eternally grateful that the Soviets (with not inconsiderable western aid) vanquished the lousy, no good sons of bitches. Vanquished them good and hard.

    You missed that the Savitri Devi the other guy mentioned:

    Of course, one of the primary figures of post-WWII National Socialist thought was Savitri Devi, who is a case unto herself.

    was a white woman. The Nazis had some wacky ideas and were not really internally consistent.

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    Like Scientology, Objectivism, Crowleyanity, and for that matter Freemasonry and Mormonism, National Socialism was a synthesis of disparate and sometimes unrelated ideas. So inconsistencues are to be expected.


    Devi was a lot like a certain famous female entertainer of today in a lot of ways, but she is not a barren doe like Devi was. The parallels are considerable if one reads both their autobiographies.

    , @silviosilver
    Yeah I know Savitri Devi was a white woman. That was one true nutter, my God. Her attitude is actually quite typical of a lot of intellectual hardcore nutzis. If they detect the slightest manifestation of inferiority in anything - an artwork, a building, a piece of music, and above all a race - they go apeshit, it's more than they can bear. They're perfectly happy to sacrifice untold millions of "inferiors" just so they can feel good about human existence. It is quite astonishing. They are far more extreme than the actual Nazis were.
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  229. @anonymous
    lol you are so gay yourself that you can't hide it

    I am not gay, why do you want me to be?

    lol Pericles is a gay name when people with that name say lol it is very gay

    grow up lol dude

    By the way, one reason I criticize you is because you make your fellow whites look bad with your amusement at your childish insults.

    White people – all people – should be better than that.

    Stop making white people look bad, Pericles. And no, you do not understand physics well enough to have an opinion, and no, you are not a better white person than me. Because I don’t say “lol” like some little kid, for one thing. Treat older white men with more respect, little dude.

    You are welcome for the good advice.

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    Let me explain it to you this way, Pericles.

    When a black guy explains something about a controversial issue that another black guy disagrees with, the black guy who disagrees is very unlikely to say "lol gay". There is a code of honor there that is worth respecting.

    You think you are entitled to say "lol gay" about another white guy, because of some weird opinion you have about recent history. You are wrong about that, Pericles.

    Does what I have just said help you see your way to being less embarrassing to your fellow white people?

    I am trying my best to help out here. I don't like you and I think you are - for now - a midwit vloser but I want you to up your game. You're welcome, in advance.

    , @anonymous
    What on Earth is going on here and who is being criticized by whom?
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  230. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    By the way, one reason I criticize you is because you make your fellow whites look bad with your amusement at your childish insults.

    White people - all people - should be better than that.

    Stop making white people look bad, Pericles. And no, you do not understand physics well enough to have an opinion, and no, you are not a better white person than me. Because I don't say "lol" like some little kid, for one thing. Treat older white men with more respect, little dude.

    You are welcome for the good advice.

    Let me explain it to you this way, Pericles.

    When a black guy explains something about a controversial issue that another black guy disagrees with, the black guy who disagrees is very unlikely to say “lol gay”. There is a code of honor there that is worth respecting.

    You think you are entitled to say “lol gay” about another white guy, because of some weird opinion you have about recent history. You are wrong about that, Pericles.

    Does what I have just said help you see your way to being less embarrassing to your fellow white people?

    I am trying my best to help out here. I don’t like you and I think you are – for now – a midwit vloser but I want you to up your game. You’re welcome, in advance.

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    Feel free to have the last word, Pericles. If your comment begins with an apology, I might read it.
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  231. @anonymous
    By the way, one reason I criticize you is because you make your fellow whites look bad with your amusement at your childish insults.

    White people - all people - should be better than that.

    Stop making white people look bad, Pericles. And no, you do not understand physics well enough to have an opinion, and no, you are not a better white person than me. Because I don't say "lol" like some little kid, for one thing. Treat older white men with more respect, little dude.

    You are welcome for the good advice.

    What on Earth is going on here and who is being criticized by whom?

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    "What on earth is going on here?"

    It is no big deal. I am just trying to help out a few of my fellow white guys, by criticizing them in a constructive way, somewhere around the couple hundredth comment on the 15 thousandth or so Steve Sailer post.

    And they don't like being criticized so they call me a faggot. Last time in real life someone used a word like that on me I put the fool in the hospital. And the cops laughed when I told them why I did it. Well that was a different world.

    But that was 30 years ago. Svigor is too focused on the "Jews", because he thinks he knows better than other people how power works, but I tried to tell him that he is wrong about the "Jews" of his midwit imagination and he has no idea how power works: well, you can understand, nobody likes to be thought of as a midwit: and he called me a faggot: that being said, I leave it to you to wonder if "Svigor" has no idea about how power works (Svigor, it is not the Jews you need to worry about: when you grow up a little you will understand that the line between good and evil goes through every human heart, including yours, little Svigor - read some Solzhenitsyn, or some Dostoevsky, even if they are hard to find in your American suburbia) and little Pericles thinks it is funny to jump to the "lol you are a faggot" insult.

    This is the 15.000 th or so comment thread here. Well, they are my fellow white people and I did not really embarrass them publicly. They got angry, anyway, but I explained, as a better American (and a better white person, for the record) than them, why they should not have been angry. They called me gay again - for the record I was beginning to think they were very gay themselves, who else would be so happy to call a tough ugly old guy like me gay? But being a decent American and a good-hearted person, I explained again why they were wrong to call better people than themselves "gay", with hatred in their little millenial hearts. So there we are.

    Probably they will call me gay again. Well, too bad for them. Whatever you think about Vox Day, he is good at shutting down midwits. Good for him. He doesn't put up with this nonsense.
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  232. @anonymous
    Let me explain it to you this way, Pericles.

    When a black guy explains something about a controversial issue that another black guy disagrees with, the black guy who disagrees is very unlikely to say "lol gay". There is a code of honor there that is worth respecting.

    You think you are entitled to say "lol gay" about another white guy, because of some weird opinion you have about recent history. You are wrong about that, Pericles.

    Does what I have just said help you see your way to being less embarrassing to your fellow white people?

    I am trying my best to help out here. I don't like you and I think you are - for now - a midwit vloser but I want you to up your game. You're welcome, in advance.

    Feel free to have the last word, Pericles. If your comment begins with an apology, I might read it.

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  233. @Rosamond Vincy
    Upper class people often had worse teeth then peasants, because they could afford sweets. Don't know about height--they might have had access to protein, but how much dairy were they getting? Bones need calcium.

    they might have had access to protein, but how much dairy were they getting? Bones need calcium.

    Indo-Europeans are all milk/cheese people (secondary products revolution), along with most Semites. But you don’t even need dairy to get enough calcium if you’re on a paleo-style diet. Where do the cows get it? Leafy greens, baby.

    https://paleoleap.com/calcium/

    I’ll concede the point on teeth, but that’s mostly because of the grains in their diet. Egyptians had especially bad problems because of sand in the bread. On the other hand, pre-agricultural caveman types didn’t get many cavities at all.

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    Some ancient civilizations had figured out how to make sugar from date palms. It was a luxury item, which meant that, as in 18th-century France, the aristocrats had the worst teeth.
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  234. Silviosilver,

    “Anyway, these four authors all advance the claim that Christianity was to some degree responsible for the Holocaust: Daniel Goldhagen, Alex Sternberg, Guenter Lewy, and David Kertzer. I’m sure we both know that a bit more googling would yield even more results, so you can stop playing dumb now.”

    You forgot the ‘Pope’ of the Holocaust historians Raul Hilberg – in his ‘Destruction of the European Jews’ he is explicit to the point of drawing a straight line between Christianity and the Holocaust – the line goes something like this – for centuries Christians tried to convert Jews and failed miserably – then they started mass expulsions and even that did not fully succeed and then the Nazis exterminated them. The Nazis merely terminated the logical sequence started by Christianity according to Hilberg. I’m surprised that the Jewish nationalist even asked you this question it’s all in the public domain – they don’t send us their best do they – the Jewish nationalists to this site.

    With regards to Goldhagen let’s hear it straight from the man “without regard to the erroneous scientific and popular notion of the Holocaust, gassing was really epiphenomenal to the German mass murder of the jews.” What an astonishing statement from one who holds to the Holocaust story, he’s trying to rework the story to remove embarrassing technical absurdities like the Gas chambers.

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/hoh/chap17.html

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  235. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    What on Earth is going on here and who is being criticized by whom?

    “What on earth is going on here?”

    It is no big deal. I am just trying to help out a few of my fellow white guys, by criticizing them in a constructive way, somewhere around the couple hundredth comment on the 15 thousandth or so Steve Sailer post.

    And they don’t like being criticized so they call me a faggot. Last time in real life someone used a word like that on me I put the fool in the hospital. And the cops laughed when I told them why I did it. Well that was a different world.

    But that was 30 years ago. Svigor is too focused on the “Jews”, because he thinks he knows better than other people how power works, but I tried to tell him that he is wrong about the “Jews” of his midwit imagination and he has no idea how power works: well, you can understand, nobody likes to be thought of as a midwit: and he called me a faggot: that being said, I leave it to you to wonder if “Svigor” has no idea about how power works (Svigor, it is not the Jews you need to worry about: when you grow up a little you will understand that the line between good and evil goes through every human heart, including yours, little Svigor – read some Solzhenitsyn, or some Dostoevsky, even if they are hard to find in your American suburbia) and little Pericles thinks it is funny to jump to the “lol you are a faggot” insult.

    This is the 15.000 th or so comment thread here. Well, they are my fellow white people and I did not really embarrass them publicly. They got angry, anyway, but I explained, as a better American (and a better white person, for the record) than them, why they should not have been angry. They called me gay again – for the record I was beginning to think they were very gay themselves, who else would be so happy to call a tough ugly old guy like me gay? But being a decent American and a good-hearted person, I explained again why they were wrong to call better people than themselves “gay”, with hatred in their little millenial hearts. So there we are.

    Probably they will call me gay again. Well, too bad for them. Whatever you think about Vox Day, he is good at shutting down midwits. Good for him. He doesn’t put up with this nonsense.

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  236. @Anon
    See Ms. "Vincy" above. Christianity not only arose from (then-existing, not Talmudic) Judaism; it is inseparable from it. Look what Marcion whom the other guy mentioned and who was not an idiot had to do to make a gulf:

    the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful and a stumbling-block to the refined and intellectual gentiles by its crudity and cruelty, and the Old Testament had to be set aside. The two great obstacles in his way he removed by drastic measures. He had to account for the existence of the Old Testament and he accounted for it by postulating a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god, who was Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ. The metaphysical relation between these two gods troubled Marcion little; of divine emanation, aeons, syzygies, eternally opposed principles of good and evil, he knows nothing. He may be almost a Manichee in practice, but in theory he has not reached absolute consistency as Mani did a hundred years later. Marcion had secondly to account for those passages in the New Testament which countenanced the Old. He resolutely cut out all texts that were contrary to his dogma; in fact, he created his own New Testament admitting but one gospel, a mutilation of St. Luke, and an Apostolicon containing ten epistles of St. Paul. The mantle of St. Paul had fallen on the shoulders of Marcion in his struggle with the Judaisers. The Catholics of his day were nothing but the Judaisers of the previous century. The pure Pauline Gospel had become corrupted and Marcion, not obscurely, hinted that even the pillar Apostles, Peter, James, and John had betrayed their trust. He loves to speak of "false apostles", and lets his hearers infer who they were. Once the Old Testament has been completely got rid of, Marcion has no further desire for change.
     
    (Marcionites, Catholic Encyclopedia)

    More of Marcion's doctrine:


    The Old Testament is true enough, Moses and the Prophets are messengers of the Demiurge, the Jewish Messias is sure to come and found a millennial kingdom for the Jews on earth, but the Jewish messias has nothing whatever to do with the Christ of God
     
    This is serious crank territory, at that point. It's not hard to see why this did not become the dominant strain of Christianity.

    See Ms. “Vincy” above. Christianity not only arose from (then-existing, not Talmudic) Judaism; it is inseparable from it.

    An