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A “news article” from the Washington Post:

‘Language as a weapon’: In Trump era, immigration debate grows more heated over what words to use

By David Nakamura January 21 at 9:14 AM

… Though Trump’s use of a vulgarity in a recent immigration meeting at the White House drew widespread condemnation, more mundane terms have been weaponized by immigration hawks, and to a lesser degree advocacy groups, in pursuit of political advantage.

On the right, Trump and his allies have warned of the dangers of “chain migration,” railed against “amnesty” for lawbreakers and urged a shift toward a “merit-based” system.

Those are old, straight-forward terms for the realities they are describing.

Their choice of words suggests that immigrants are taking advantage of the United States and are a drain on society.

On the left, advocates have defended a tradition of “family reunification” and cast undocumented immigrants who arrived as children as “dreamers” and “kids” in need of special care — even though some are in their mid-30s. Their rhetoric paints immigrants as the fabric of the American experience and as strivers seeking a chance at success.

… “Who controls the parameters around language really has a lot of power in the debate,” said Roberto Gonzales, a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education who specializes in immigration. “How do you frame an issue in a way that sways public opinion?”

Although disagreements over immigration terminology predate Trump’s presidency, Gonzales said, the president’s willingness to use extreme rhetoric in the name of undermining political correctness has exacerbated the problem and raised the stakes. Gonzales pointed to Trump’s campaign against “chain migration” in the wake of a terrorist attack in New York in the fall in which the suspect, Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov, an immigrant from Uzbekistan, is charged with striking and killing eight people while driving a truck on a bike path.

Chain migration has been a common term in books since the mid-1960s, reaching a peak of usage by the late 1990s:

Screenshot 2018-01-21 16.21.03

Senator Durbin told President Trump that “chain migration” reminds African Americans that their ancestors were brought here in chains, which sounds like an idea for an article pitched to Salon that got turned down and ended up in the Huffington Post.

Senator Schumer then announced that he wouldn’t negotiate immigration policy with Senator Tom Cotton in the room because “Tom Cotton” sounds like an alternate universe version of “Jim Crow.”

Well, actually, Schumer didn’t.

Yet.

… The advocates use the term “family reunification” to describe the process of U.S. citizens petitioning for family members in limited categories — spouses, children, parents and siblings — to come here, a process that can take as long as 20 years. …

But some newspapers and cable television stations have parroted Trump’s use of “chain migration,” often with limited context.

“It’s a real problem,” Gonzales said. “It’s become so distorted. If you use a term in an incorrect or incendiary way enough times, people start using it that way.”

Jose Antonio Vargas, chief executive of Define American, a media advocacy group that focuses on immigration coverage, said conservatives have deliberately “created this entire linguistic parallel reality that is framed by the language they use.”

Vargas pointed to outlets such as Breitbart News, which supports Trump and — until this month — was overseen by his former White House chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon. Breitbart published recent stories with headlines such as “Illegal Aliens Escalate Amnesty Demands” and “Anchor Baby Population in U.S. Exceeds One Year of American Births.”

The terms “illegal alien” and “illegal immigrant” are much older and better established than politically correct Newspeak euphemisms “undocumented immigrant” or “undocumented worker:”

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Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.” Although some major outlets, including the Associated Press, have complied, Vargas said progress has been slow. (The Washington Post’s style guide permits use of the phrase but notes that some find it offensive.)

“The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,” said Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines. “Now we have gotten to the point where even legal immigration is a dirty word for people. That’s how successful they’ve been.”

 
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  1. Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”

    In my lifetime, we’ve gone from “illegal alien,” to “illegal immigrant,” to “undocumented immigrant.” Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps “undocumented American?”

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    • Replies: @Anon87
    "Potential Superior American"
    , @415 reasons
    An undocumented migrant is just a friend you haven’t met.
    , @Perplexed
    The next step is right there: "Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines."
    , @Mr. Anon

    In my lifetime, we’ve gone from “illegal alien,” to “illegal immigrant,” to “undocumented immigrant.” Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps “undocumented American?”
     
    "Real American"?
    , @Moses
    You're not up to date on your newspeak -- "undocumented worker" has replaced "undocumented immigrant."
    , @guest
    Shiny, happy people.
    , @nebulafox
    Well, if the neocons had their way, that's what it would be. That pretty much underlay their foreign policy vision, and still does, that strange idea, smacking of a perverted leftism, that everybody in the world wants to be just like us. Idealism... but I think that'd be a little too nationalistic for the taste of the cultural leftists now dictating the culture of the Democratic Party. Maybe they'll take the converse tack, with American citizens being citizens of the world.

    (Meanwhile, on the economic side, even more vociferously against the vision are the plutocrats in charge, especially in Silicon Valley. The rise of the nation-state spelled the death of feudalism and the subsequent rise of the Enlightenment, let no one forget, by putting a cap on the whims of individual lords and pontiffs and all the rest. That's why they are so determined to get rid of it.)

    , @The Alarmist
    Americans In All But Name Only?

    If we're going to take back the offensive, where going to have to go right past illegal alien to stress the invasion aspect ... how about Invaders In All But Name Only.

    I need to work on a catchy acronym.
    , @rogue-one
    I remember reading "undocumented citizens" in AP reports.
    , @Luke Lea
    "unlawful immigrant" is a phrase Trump's press secretary used yesterday. It's softer but still gets the essential point across.

    Those resisting the globalist left also have words and phrases that work well on the battlefield of ideas and ideology, some old (newspeak, doublethink, etc), some middle-age (pc, political correctness, race hustler), some new (snowflake, SJW, etc.). In the past the left had the most verbally adroit people on their side, but that might be changing, a sure sign of a shift in the culture. Careers open to talent.

    , @istevefan

    Perhaps “undocumented American?”
     
    Here is then-Senator Harry Reid calling them "undocumented Americans".
    , @Autochthon
    Charley Pride summed up this stupid goalpost-moving succinctly: it's a silly game that benefits not even those it patronises.
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  2. The advocates use the term “family reunification” to describe the process of U.S. citizens petitioning for family members in limited categories — spouses, children, parents and siblings —

    Let’s see, two people arrive on American soil, have anchor baby. Anchor kid brings in parents and born-abroad sibs. Parents bring in their sibs…who, in turn, bring in their spouses…who, in turn, bring in their sibs and parents…..

    Dunno. “Chain migration” seems pretty apt….

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    The left views this through the prism of "civil rights" and "equality".

    As in "there is a civil right for anyone to come to the developed world for a better life".

    When it comes to that paradigm, the left is a runaway train.
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  3. OT: Anyone else think it’s coincidence that so many of the murders counted as “white supremacist/anti-government”-related murders are of the domestic dispute variety while NONE of the muslim-extremist related cases are? Why doesn’t anyone call these creeps on their accounting methods? This was linked to in the NYT, which should surprise no one. But I recently heard Pinker, who should know better, quote these bogus stats. The purpose it seems is to always arrive at a figure that can produce a headline press release about how white right wingers are somehow worse than radical muslims.

    https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-white-supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

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  4. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    “Potential Superior American”

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  5. Every argument with leftists proceeds by first setting up a new terminology, shaming you for using the old and then dragging you into the weeds over it — and if you make it out of that alive, perhaps you’ll get around to talking about the subject at hand…

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  6. I would submit that “racist” is the most dehumanizing language/label that can be applied to a person in the current year.

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  7. ““The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,” said Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines. ”

    You shall go back to your homeland.

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    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    “The right has been so good at using language as a weapon”

    Always be accusin' of what you be doin'.
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  8. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    An undocumented migrant is just a friend you haven’t met.

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    An undocumented migrant is just a mugger you haven’t met.
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  9. That peak c. 1962 is just a statistical quirk or some artefact of data collection? Any explanation?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Probably had to do with the early 1960s debate over immigration policy.

    Maybe there were one or two books devoted to the subject?

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  11. Oh, they’ve tried hard enough. They just need a bigger boot.

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  12. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    The next step is right there: “Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines.”

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    Note the full name: JOSE ANTONIO VARGAS.

    More than a century after their liberation from Spain, Filipinos still like to use the first and last names and the language given to them by their erstwhile Spanish masters. (Same, of course, with mestizos from South and Central America.

    Perhaps it's time they transferred their loyalty to their current home and their current fellow citizens.

    , @AnotherDad

    The next step is right there: “Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines.”
     
    Should be the next step for Trump too. Arrest and deport this creep.
    , @Lurker
    Which means anyone employing him since 2011 is also liable for punishment in some way, given they knew his status.
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  13. Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”

    I agree that term should be dropped. They are not immigrants. They are trespassers. The proper term is “illegal alien”.

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  14. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    In my lifetime, we’ve gone from “illegal alien,” to “illegal immigrant,” to “undocumented immigrant.” Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps “undocumented American?”

    “Real American”?

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  15. Roberto Gonzales, a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education who specializes in immigration.

    So he teaches people how to educate others about immigration? Perfect guy to quote in this story I guess

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    Roberto Gonzales, a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education who specializes in immigration.
     
    QUESTION: Why does an employee/lecturer (aka "professor") at a "School of Education" "specialize in immigration"?

    Isn't a "School of Education" dedicated to teaching and advancing the numinous science of educationalizationismology?

    Also, wouldn't someone NOT personally affected by "immigration" be better able to observe and discuss "immigration" more objectively and dispassionately? For example, an African American with 4 American grandparents, rather than a Conquistador invader?

    Or are we to understand that this is not really science so much as propaganda?
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  16. OT: The circular firing squad of the Coalition of the Fringes just had a beautiful misfire.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/planned-parenthood-president-tells-white-women-to-do-better-in-fight-for-equality/ar-AAuZb1w?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

    The president of Planned Parenthood called on white women to do more to “save this country from itself,” crediting women of color with many of the recent political victories.

    . . . She urged white women to join forces with women of color to change the nation.
    “So, white women, listen up. We’ve got to do better. … It is not up to women of color to save this country from itself. That’s on all of us. That’s on all of us,” said Richards, who also heads the Planned Parenthood Action Fund.

    Burn, baby, burn.

    Somebody send out the Bat signal to Whiskey.

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    Liberal White women don’t seem to care that the other members of their coalition hate them. So it doesn’t matter how much abuse they receive.
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  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Family reunification” works like this:

    1. There is a unified family in Mexico, Korea, or other source country.

    2. The father de-unifies the family by moving to the United States, using chain migration connected to a brother or someone.

    3. The separated family lives apart for five years.

    4. The father gets an immigrant visa.

    5. The father wants to reunify his family.

    6. To do so he brings them over using chain migration.

    Of course the father had two other ways to be with his family: Never separate from them in the first place, or go back to the source country.

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  18. https://mobile.twitter.com/Outsideness/status/954998532536123392

    So according to Nick Land, our host is the #2 most important public intellectual right now.

    Remember ten days ago when it was asked what sort of music meth created? Motörhead. What sort of philosopher do you get on meth? Nick Land.

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  19. “It’s a real problem,” Gonzales said. “It’s become so distorted. If you use a term in an incorrect or incendiary way enough times, people start using it that way.”

    Does he mean terms like Nazi and racist ?

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    And a term like white privilege.
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  20. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    You’re not up to date on your newspeak — “undocumented worker” has replaced “undocumented immigrant.”

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  21. Trump is fond of using obscure, loaded, possibly Russian words like “immigration” and “law.” Where did he learn this weird terminology? From the ‘chans?

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  22. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    Shiny, happy people.

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  23. The “DREAM” part of “DREAMers” stands for “Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act”. It’s ironic for immigration enthusiasts to be claiming the other side is playing word games.

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    Their word games are in the service of Social Justice Warriorism so of course it’s ok.
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  24. Apparently “chain migration” is an effective term, because they keep complaining about it.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    Yep. When you're getting flak it means you've over the target.
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  25. “…conservatives have deliberately “created this entire linguistic parallel reality that is framed by the language they use.”

    You mean like how lefties have worked tirelessly to move the commonly-accepted language from “illegal alien” to “undocumented immigrant/worker” over the last 25 years?

    “The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,”

    Oh, but I wish it were so. I think what he means is “The right is beginning to use our own Alinsky tactics against us. It’s effective. I want them to stop.”

    The reality here is both sides are smart to focus on language. As Orwell knew, language frames thinking in subtle ways. “Undocumented worker” has an entirely different meaning from “illegal alien.” Newspeak in “1984″ was all about eliminating words that captured subjects the Party didn’t want citizens to think about. If there’s no word for it it’s much harder to think about it.

    One of the first lessons I learned in poly sci class was how a pollster frames a question greatly influences the outcome of the poll. E.g. “Do you support deporting people who broke our laws and are living in our country illegally?” or “Do you support giving children of undocumented workers documented status and the right to pursue their immigrant dreams in America?”

    Deport the DACA illegal aliens!

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    • Replies: @guest
    "You mean like how lefties..."

    As someone once said, "SJWs always project."
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  26. were you born here? no? you are an “immigrant.”
    did you do so in compliance with applicable laws? no? that’s “illegal.”

    you are an “illegal immigrant.”

    it’s like… words have meanings.

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  27. @syonredux

    The advocates use the term “family reunification” to describe the process of U.S. citizens petitioning for family members in limited categories — spouses, children, parents and siblings —
     
    Let's see, two people arrive on American soil, have anchor baby. Anchor kid brings in parents and born-abroad sibs. Parents bring in their sibs...who, in turn, bring in their spouses...who, in turn, bring in their sibs and parents.....

    Dunno. "Chain migration" seems pretty apt....

    The left views this through the prism of “civil rights” and “equality”.

    As in “there is a civil right for anyone to come to the developed world for a better life”.

    When it comes to that paradigm, the left is a runaway train.

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  28. “family reunification”

    Isn’t there a disparate impact issue here. Why should Americans from a foreign country be allowed to bring people into the US when ordinary Americans, without family abroad, cannot. I think if whatever-Americans can bring a few people into the US all Americans should be able to bring a few people into the US.

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    Damned good point. We could all import some South Africans.
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    This lbqtxhe is boring.
    , @Anonymous
    Chelsea is disappointed that whatever video there is on Grahamnesty, she's not the fellatrice.
    , @Brutusale
    Kinda like I don't get my information about autism from a former Playboy centerfold, I don't get my political information from a Jew/Mormon hybrid tramp who had an abortion when she was 16.
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  30. Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?

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    Lol. Good one.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?
     
    We just support going home. A mass-going-home. Come home Mexico!
    , @Mr. Anon

    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?
     
    We just support going home. A mass-going-home. Come home Mexico!
    , @AnotherDad

    “returned home”
     
    That's good. Trump needs to use that phrase and more broadly that "home" language.

    "They should return home". "They'll be returned home." "Reunited with their families in their homeland."
    , @guest
    We could call that "family reunification," too. Works both ways.

    Repatriation?


    Home-ification? (Or the green, green grass of home-ification.)

    , @Wilkey
    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Yep. We need to drop the "deportation" rhetoric. The proper language is to say that we want to "safely repatriate these illegal aliens to their home countries/countries of legal residence."

    Deportation makes it sound as if we're dropping them into a black hole, instead of sending them back to countries with millions, tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions citizens who manage to survive just fine.

    It's time to start waging a few language battles of our own.
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  31. Ah, yes, why double down on failure when you can triple down?

    If there’s one thing that has traditionally damaged the left from Marx onwards, it is their obsession with petty matters of terminology and ideological doctrine, more akin to a religious cult than a political movement. They (and by they, I mean especially rich bien-pensants at the Post) really don’t grasp how strange outsiders find it: and in the specific case of 21st Century America, how phony outsiders find it.

    “Undocumented” immigrants… if you were to take the implication seriously, anybody, by simply crossing the border, would become American should they wish it. It isn’t up to the national community, not up to the state to invite people in, in this globalized 21st Century of ours. We aren’t a state. No, America is nothing more than a store, with open access! It is up to *poetry*, immigration policy is to be based off of poetry… now, some non-poetical facts! There are 5 billion people out there in the developing world: nowhere it is addressed what the practical consequences of making the American welfare state, inept and expensive and shallow as it is compared to much of the developed world, would be if you were offer it globally. It wasn’t even a decade ago when no less than Paul Krugman was able and willing, however tentatively and unwilling he was to go to the logical conclusion, to point this out. What does it speak to in which now the “left-wing” party is quoting the Cato Institute, the Wall Street Journal, and Lindsey Graham’s arguments on immigration?

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    it is their obsession with petty matters of terminology and ideological doctrine
     
    Talmudic hairsplitting bullshit is the term I like to use.

    Recent examples - the claim that there are no-go areas in France boils down to argument about the exact meaning of the term 'no-go area'.

    The claim that we have open borders is bogged down in pointless debate about the exact meaning of 'open borders'.
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  32. @guest
    Apparently "chain migration" is an effective term, because they keep complaining about it.

    Yep. When you’re getting flak it means you’ve over the target.

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  33. @Elf Himself
    Speaking of language variants, I've become fond of saying "returned home" (or even better, "safely returned home") instead of "deported." Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Lol. Good one.

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  34. @athEIst
    That peak c. 1962 is just a statistical quirk or some artefact of data collection? Any explanation?

    Probably had to do with the early 1960s debate over immigration policy.

    Maybe there were one or two books devoted to the subject?

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  35. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    Well, if the neocons had their way, that’s what it would be. That pretty much underlay their foreign policy vision, and still does, that strange idea, smacking of a perverted leftism, that everybody in the world wants to be just like us. Idealism… but I think that’d be a little too nationalistic for the taste of the cultural leftists now dictating the culture of the Democratic Party. Maybe they’ll take the converse tack, with American citizens being citizens of the world.

    (Meanwhile, on the economic side, even more vociferously against the vision are the plutocrats in charge, especially in Silicon Valley. The rise of the nation-state spelled the death of feudalism and the subsequent rise of the Enlightenment, let no one forget, by putting a cap on the whims of individual lords and pontiffs and all the rest. That’s why they are so determined to get rid of it.)

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  36. Lol I forgot “immigration hawks.” If this demographic tipping point is a war, our distinguished friends on the left must be the “immigration doves.” Catchy!

    But, I thought only we on the lunatic far right see large-scale migration to a different ethnic group’s homeland in a martial context. And yet here, a telling slip from WaPo, like a few months ago when that Australian Green Party Jew-Homo tweeted about how “we’re in an information war.” (emph. added)

    If the open borders left sees immigration as warfare, are the immigrants the enemy combatants, or are white people? Either way, I look forward to their olive branch.

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  37. I just say “criminal invaders”. Pretty much captures it.

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  38. Young black criminal “immigrants” are politely labeled “teens” instead of the more honest terms: thugs, hoodrats, criminals, or urban terrorists.

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden

    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas
    January 21 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

    The blast was so powerful that it shook windows a mile away. Ahmad’s first thought was that someone had thrown yet another bomb at the police.

    He was right. On Wednesday night an explosive device was hurled at the police station in Rosengard, a troubled area of Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city.

    Attacks on the police are increasingly frequent. Rosengard’s force works from a black fortress of reinforced concrete with narrow windows and a 10ft-high electric fence.

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    Related:

    (Sweden)

    Roosh cousin shills for the Moderate (cuck) Party. Culturally appropriates Sweden Democrat/ AltRight memes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5156643/Hanif-Bali-Swedens-Milo-social-media-influencer.html
    , @Moses
    No biggie. My brain automatically converts "teens" to "young black men" in any article about criminal misbehaviour. Hasn't failed yet.
    , @Anonymous
    Wow. Even Malmo Sweden gets a wall. When's our turn again?
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  39. @Elf Himself
    Speaking of language variants, I've become fond of saying "returned home" (or even better, "safely returned home") instead of "deported." Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?

    We just support going home. A mass-going-home. Come home Mexico!

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  40. Reminder that an anti-open borders text is still up on Bernie’s website:

    https://berniesanders.com/open-borders-a-gimmick-not-a-solution/

    Like many libertarian ideas, “open borders” is bold, has superficial intellectual appeal – and is incapable of withstanding thoughtful scrutiny. It would benefit the wealthy few at the expense of the many, here and abroad.

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    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration, no matter what their views on the subject were before. You'll easily see this dynamic with idealistic Peace Corps volunteers fresh from college. Many go abroad as open borders types. Few come back that way.

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally? No, the people who are the biggest loudmouths in favor of unlimited immigration are the types of people who have *never* wanted for anything in their lives.

    And the truly disgusting part is that while proclaiming their own virtue, they inevitably dump off the negative consequences onto their social lessers, which at best they view in condescending paternalistic terms (Asians, blacks) or at worst with open contempt (Les Deplorables). The exodus of Salvadorans from inner city DC to Northern Virginia's suburbs is one good example of this dynamic. The local schools are getting overwhelmed, MS-13 is exploding as a problem...

    , @jack ryan
    Thanks for the link - awesome.

    The "honest liberal" who actually does care about the life of American workers, cares about the environment, wants to avoid unnecessary, counter productive Neo Conservative wars in the ME, wants to oppose obscene $ military spending, restarting the Cold War with the Russians, wants to have merited based racial policies where decent Black AA and decent Whites are treated fairly - this honest Liberal position is one of my favorites.

    The Atlantic Magazine was pretty much this way in the early 1990s, now J Neo Conservatives are taking it over along with links to Salon, Huffington Post - blatant lying propaganda from BlackLiesMatter, covering, denying for the worst forms of radical Islam including the return of open slavery and mass sexual grooming of poor English girls in Rotherham England.
    , @jack ryan
    Unfortunately with Bernie Sanders type socialism, he/they tend to agree with whomever happens to be in the room with them at the time or in worse case agree with whatever mob is shouting at them at them time.

    It was this way with BlackLiesMatter mobs where the mob actually forced Bernie to repeat their slogans.

    Donald Trump made a very effective issue of this, stating he would never led some protesting mob intimidate him or intimidate Trump supporters.
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  41. @Elf Himself
    Speaking of language variants, I've become fond of saying "returned home" (or even better, "safely returned home") instead of "deported." Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?

    We just support going home. A mass-going-home. Come home Mexico!

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  42. @gruff
    Reminder that an anti-open borders text is still up on Bernie's website:

    https://berniesanders.com/open-borders-a-gimmick-not-a-solution/

    Like many libertarian ideas, “open borders” is bold, has superficial intellectual appeal – and is incapable of withstanding thoughtful scrutiny. It would benefit the wealthy few at the expense of the many, here and abroad.

    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration, no matter what their views on the subject were before. You’ll easily see this dynamic with idealistic Peace Corps volunteers fresh from college. Many go abroad as open borders types. Few come back that way.

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally? No, the people who are the biggest loudmouths in favor of unlimited immigration are the types of people who have *never* wanted for anything in their lives.

    And the truly disgusting part is that while proclaiming their own virtue, they inevitably dump off the negative consequences onto their social lessers, which at best they view in condescending paternalistic terms (Asians, blacks) or at worst with open contempt (Les Deplorables). The exodus of Salvadorans from inner city DC to Northern Virginia’s suburbs is one good example of this dynamic. The local schools are getting overwhelmed, MS-13 is exploding as a problem…

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    Mr. IIT and Mr. Tsinghua probably don't have any interest in the demographic continuity of the Western peoples.

    Mr. IIT might love Narenda Modi and the BJP, but would call the GOP 'racist'.

    Mr. Tsinghua benefits from a nationalist Communist Party government that restricts Third World immigration, so he's in no danger of his homeland being Han minority in 50 years.

    ---
    The left considers the unchained Right to be an existential threat to civilization. You can't negotiate with an opponent that believes you want a second holocaust.
    , @Moses

    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration
     
    Yes, this. Can't speak for everyone, but certainly true for me.

    Living overseas in a developing country will teach you quickly to shed your "People are all the same everywhere" blinders. It just ain't true. There's a reason these countries remain mired in poverty, economic stagnation, corruption and backwardness. This was common knowledge in our grandparents' time.

    , @L Woods

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally?
     
    Logically, one might think that would be the case. But this assumes that these notional high-achieving immigrants are inclined to buy in to our system and thus to seek our approval. More often, thanks mostly to generations of ceaseless leftist agitation, their attitude is instead that they're going to flip the table and become the masters. To do that, they need an army -- half-literates and all.

    I actually think that the liberal world order can be saved, even now. But it requires a poignant demonstration to certain people that taking outrageous advantage of the extraordinarily generous opportunities afforded them will not avail them indefinitely.
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  43. This is an old idea, that what words we use have substantial influence on how we view an issue. In this case though, it’s being oversold. People use different words depending on how they view the issue, eg, “illegal” vs “undocumented”, but I don’t think it’s affecting very much.

    The key point of the immigration debate as it stands right now is that Nobody Is Listening To Us, for other reasons. #1 we’re allied with Trump, and Trump is unpopular and widely believed to be stupid, so we’re suffering by the association. #2, we don’t care about the good graces of the American people, or believe in meaningfully interacting or stating our case to them.

    Therefore, for us we need to remedy this at least as much as worrying about DACA, the wall, e-Verify or the like. Upstream from this is the desire of the American people to assert their self-determination and to protect the human capital of its citizens. If this is strong, we’ll get whatever policies we need to manage immigration properly. But if it is weak, we’re not going to be able to outmaneuver our adversaries enough to matter.

    We have an advantage in that, when push comes to shove, our adversaries’ ideas are incoherent. Or at least they are incoherent if they’re taken together. There’s a lot of Bryan Caplan-esque propaganda out there, but most of our adversaries don’t really believe it. It’s just a convenient club to hit Trump with. Let’s not fall for that, just make them state what they really believe and then explain why that’s ridiculous (or perhaps, that that is what Trump is doing, as the case may be).

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    Trump was at his best in 2016 when elite bipartisan conventional wisdom was so visibly, indisputably bad, nonsensical, or discredited that he could just simply call the emperor out as having no clothes when his opponent was out of touch enough to double down on it. The February South Carolina bloodbath and his ruthless destruction of Jeb Bush over Iraq and Syria was perhaps the best example of this in action.

    The problem is, Trump's reaction is pretty much an ordinary person's: "WTF?" It doesn't mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn't mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses. He just knows the BS, calls it out, and then doesn't press his advantage: 3 minutes later is off to spewing world salad on some other subject. Given this very high volatility memory model, that means he's tremendously susceptible to whoever can impress him, provided they don't give off obvious BS.

    , @RudyM
    We should clone Tucker Carlson and put one of him on every street corner. If I'm understanding you, I think he does what you are saying should be done.
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    @Perplexed
    The next step is right there: "Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines."

    Note the full name: JOSE ANTONIO VARGAS.

    More than a century after their liberation from Spain, Filipinos still like to use the first and last names and the language given to them by their erstwhile Spanish masters. (Same, of course, with mestizos from South and Central America.

    Perhaps it’s time they transferred their loyalty to their current home and their current fellow citizens.

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  45. I’m surprised blacks haven’t complained more about the DACA grifters trying to turn this into a civil rights issue. For a long time, blacks and Native Americans were the only ones who could play that card. Now, foreign nationals are using it, and there isn’t a peep to be heard from the black community. Their special victim status has been hijacked and their “leadership” is letting it slide. My hunch is this explains a lot of the NFL kneeling. It’s their way of saying “we’re still here” but it just comes off as millionaire petulance.

    The logical response from Trump to Durbin should have been:

    “Do you tell your black constituents that DACA is the equivalent of Selma, the March on Washington and the desegregation of public universities in the South? And if you have, what’s their response?”

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    Blacks don't appear interested in playing the two parties off against each other to achieve gains regardless of who is in power.* They have hitched their wagon to leftist redistributionist policies guaranteed by a permanent left-wing majority, as exists in nearly all of our large cities.

    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.

    Blacks in Selma also just stole a Senate seat for the Dems, by a candidate openly arguing for a mass amnesty.

    *Even leftist New England states have been willing to vote for GOP Senators from time to time, but ambitious black pols today have no interest in following the Colin Powell Rockefeller Republican route.
    , @jack ryan
    We've tried for ~ 25 years to get Black AA political leaders to take our/their side on immigration. It hasn't worked. Reason doesn't work with this group.

    Instead I recommend just getting better at racial politics and racial economics.

    Blacks will not vote in alliances with White working class folks. But a good percentage of working class Hispanics will work, vote against bad Black AA.

    Take Chicago - our city has lost about 50% of it's Black African American population since 2000. But so far all of the Black Congressional districts, aldermanic districts and government jobs like CTA bus drivers have remained reserved for Blacks. That can change and it must.

    Let's start openly talking, threatening and working to make for safe Black AA congressional districts or government jobs go Hispanic.

    Some 50 year plus White Anglo guy can marry a 30 something Hispanic and valaha - his family is now "minority" hispanic.

    It's reality that all honest working class folks - White, Hispanic, Black African cab drivers, Lyft drivers despise the Black criminal welfare underclass. As do all merchants from times past and present. Why do you think Asian merchants in Philadelphia only serve their Black AA customers behind bullet proof glass.

    Start running, supporting tough law and order White guys and make the bad guys more Black AA than illegals.
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  46. @Boethiuss
    This is an old idea, that what words we use have substantial influence on how we view an issue. In this case though, it's being oversold. People use different words depending on how they view the issue, eg, "illegal" vs "undocumented", but I don't think it's affecting very much.

    The key point of the immigration debate as it stands right now is that Nobody Is Listening To Us, for other reasons. #1 we're allied with Trump, and Trump is unpopular and widely believed to be stupid, so we're suffering by the association. #2, we don't care about the good graces of the American people, or believe in meaningfully interacting or stating our case to them.

    Therefore, for us we need to remedy this at least as much as worrying about DACA, the wall, e-Verify or the like. Upstream from this is the desire of the American people to assert their self-determination and to protect the human capital of its citizens. If this is strong, we'll get whatever policies we need to manage immigration properly. But if it is weak, we're not going to be able to outmaneuver our adversaries enough to matter.

    We have an advantage in that, when push comes to shove, our adversaries' ideas are incoherent. Or at least they are incoherent if they're taken together. There's a lot of Bryan Caplan-esque propaganda out there, but most of our adversaries don't really believe it. It's just a convenient club to hit Trump with. Let's not fall for that, just make them state what they really believe and then explain why that's ridiculous (or perhaps, that that is what Trump is doing, as the case may be).

    Trump was at his best in 2016 when elite bipartisan conventional wisdom was so visibly, indisputably bad, nonsensical, or discredited that he could just simply call the emperor out as having no clothes when his opponent was out of touch enough to double down on it. The February South Carolina bloodbath and his ruthless destruction of Jeb Bush over Iraq and Syria was perhaps the best example of this in action.

    The problem is, Trump’s reaction is pretty much an ordinary person’s: “WTF?” It doesn’t mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn’t mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses. He just knows the BS, calls it out, and then doesn’t press his advantage: 3 minutes later is off to spewing world salad on some other subject. Given this very high volatility memory model, that means he’s tremendously susceptible to whoever can impress him, provided they don’t give off obvious BS.

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    He can say whatever he wants. Language is important, but actions are forever.
    , @Boethiuss

    The problem is, Trump’s reaction is pretty much an ordinary person’s: “WTF?” It doesn’t mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn’t mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses.
     
    Yeah, that's right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that's independent of Trump. Not opposed necessarily, but we just have to let Trump do his thing and we do ours.
    , @Wilkey
    Trump’s reaction is pretty much an ordinary person’s: “WTF?” It doesn’t mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn’t mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses.

    Trump's inflammatory rhetoric still serves a purpose, though. It's broadened the range of acceptable discourse. It allows more people to say "I disagree with him, but..." For the last few years the Left has tried to push terms like "illegal immigrant" into the category of hate speech. Now they're so focused on Trump's statements they don't even have time to deal with it.
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  47. @nebulafox
    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration, no matter what their views on the subject were before. You'll easily see this dynamic with idealistic Peace Corps volunteers fresh from college. Many go abroad as open borders types. Few come back that way.

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally? No, the people who are the biggest loudmouths in favor of unlimited immigration are the types of people who have *never* wanted for anything in their lives.

    And the truly disgusting part is that while proclaiming their own virtue, they inevitably dump off the negative consequences onto their social lessers, which at best they view in condescending paternalistic terms (Asians, blacks) or at worst with open contempt (Les Deplorables). The exodus of Salvadorans from inner city DC to Northern Virginia's suburbs is one good example of this dynamic. The local schools are getting overwhelmed, MS-13 is exploding as a problem...

    Mr. IIT and Mr. Tsinghua probably don’t have any interest in the demographic continuity of the Western peoples.

    Mr. IIT might love Narenda Modi and the BJP, but would call the GOP ‘racist’.

    Mr. Tsinghua benefits from a nationalist Communist Party government that restricts Third World immigration, so he’s in no danger of his homeland being Han minority in 50 years.


    The left considers the unchained Right to be an existential threat to civilization. You can’t negotiate with an opponent that believes you want a second holocaust.

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    >implying there was a first
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  48. @CCZ
    Young black criminal "immigrants" are politely labeled "teens" instead of the more honest terms: thugs, hoodrats, criminals, or urban terrorists.

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden

    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas
    January 21 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

    The blast was so powerful that it shook windows a mile away. Ahmad’s first thought was that someone had thrown yet another bomb at the police.

    He was right. On Wednesday night an explosive device was hurled at the police station in Rosengard, a troubled area of Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city.

    Attacks on the police are increasingly frequent. Rosengard’s force works from a black fortress of reinforced concrete with narrow windows and a 10ft-high electric fence.
     

    Related:

    (Sweden)

    Roosh cousin shills for the Moderate (cuck) Party. Culturally appropriates Sweden Democrat/ AltRight memes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5156643/Hanif-Bali-Swedens-Milo-social-media-influencer.html

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    Why couldn't he have been sent to America?
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  49. @Perplexed
    The next step is right there: "Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines."

    The next step is right there: “Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines.”

    Should be the next step for Trump too. Arrest and deport this creep.

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    Someone needs to report Vargas to ICE.
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  50. @Elf Himself
    Speaking of language variants, I've become fond of saying "returned home" (or even better, "safely returned home") instead of "deported." Whattaya say, WaPo?

    “returned home”

    That’s good. Trump needs to use that phrase and more broadly that “home” language.

    “They should return home”. “They’ll be returned home.” “Reunited with their families in their homeland.”

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  51. @Moses

    "...conservatives have deliberately “created this entire linguistic parallel reality that is framed by the language they use.”

     

    You mean like how lefties have worked tirelessly to move the commonly-accepted language from "illegal alien" to "undocumented immigrant/worker" over the last 25 years?

    “The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,”

    Oh, but I wish it were so. I think what he means is "The right is beginning to use our own Alinsky tactics against us. It's effective. I want them to stop."

    The reality here is both sides are smart to focus on language. As Orwell knew, language frames thinking in subtle ways. "Undocumented worker" has an entirely different meaning from "illegal alien." Newspeak in "1984" was all about eliminating words that captured subjects the Party didn't want citizens to think about. If there's no word for it it's much harder to think about it.

    One of the first lessons I learned in poly sci class was how a pollster frames a question greatly influences the outcome of the poll. E.g. "Do you support deporting people who broke our laws and are living in our country illegally?" or "Do you support giving children of undocumented workers documented status and the right to pursue their immigrant dreams in America?"

    Deport the DACA illegal aliens!

    “You mean like how lefties…”

    As someone once said, “SJWs always project.”

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  52. @Elf Himself
    Speaking of language variants, I've become fond of saying "returned home" (or even better, "safely returned home") instead of "deported." Whattaya say, WaPo?

    We could call that “family reunification,” too. Works both ways.

    Repatriation?

    Home-ification? (Or the green, green grass of home-ification.)

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  53. @CCZ
    Young black criminal "immigrants" are politely labeled "teens" instead of the more honest terms: thugs, hoodrats, criminals, or urban terrorists.

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden

    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas
    January 21 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

    The blast was so powerful that it shook windows a mile away. Ahmad’s first thought was that someone had thrown yet another bomb at the police.

    He was right. On Wednesday night an explosive device was hurled at the police station in Rosengard, a troubled area of Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city.

    Attacks on the police are increasingly frequent. Rosengard’s force works from a black fortress of reinforced concrete with narrow windows and a 10ft-high electric fence.
     

    No biggie. My brain automatically converts “teens” to “young black men” in any article about criminal misbehaviour. Hasn’t failed yet.

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  54. The left is much better at controlling language than the right. Guy’s just playing victim.

    Why hasn’t Trump deported Vargas? It is perfectly within the law to do so. Such a high profile deportation would really send a message to his enemies.

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  55. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/951258218910633984

    This lbqtxhe is boring.

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  56. Remember how the news media told us how they only wanted “Gun Control” i.e. a ban on your “Saturday Night Special” that only Black criminals had an interest in (Raven, Jennings, etc.) but now they want ALL of Whitey’s stuff, AR-15s, large magazines, Tec-9s, Uzis, etc. under the New Orwellian moniker: “Gun Safety?”

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  57. @Boethiuss
    This is an old idea, that what words we use have substantial influence on how we view an issue. In this case though, it's being oversold. People use different words depending on how they view the issue, eg, "illegal" vs "undocumented", but I don't think it's affecting very much.

    The key point of the immigration debate as it stands right now is that Nobody Is Listening To Us, for other reasons. #1 we're allied with Trump, and Trump is unpopular and widely believed to be stupid, so we're suffering by the association. #2, we don't care about the good graces of the American people, or believe in meaningfully interacting or stating our case to them.

    Therefore, for us we need to remedy this at least as much as worrying about DACA, the wall, e-Verify or the like. Upstream from this is the desire of the American people to assert their self-determination and to protect the human capital of its citizens. If this is strong, we'll get whatever policies we need to manage immigration properly. But if it is weak, we're not going to be able to outmaneuver our adversaries enough to matter.

    We have an advantage in that, when push comes to shove, our adversaries' ideas are incoherent. Or at least they are incoherent if they're taken together. There's a lot of Bryan Caplan-esque propaganda out there, but most of our adversaries don't really believe it. It's just a convenient club to hit Trump with. Let's not fall for that, just make them state what they really believe and then explain why that's ridiculous (or perhaps, that that is what Trump is doing, as the case may be).

    We should clone Tucker Carlson and put one of him on every street corner. If I’m understanding you, I think he does what you are saying should be done.

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    We should clone Tucker Carlson and put one of him on every street corner. If I’m understanding you, I think he does what you are saying should be done.
     
    There's obvious genetic problems with trying this too literally, but yeah, pretty much.
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  58. @nebulafox
    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration, no matter what their views on the subject were before. You'll easily see this dynamic with idealistic Peace Corps volunteers fresh from college. Many go abroad as open borders types. Few come back that way.

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally? No, the people who are the biggest loudmouths in favor of unlimited immigration are the types of people who have *never* wanted for anything in their lives.

    And the truly disgusting part is that while proclaiming their own virtue, they inevitably dump off the negative consequences onto their social lessers, which at best they view in condescending paternalistic terms (Asians, blacks) or at worst with open contempt (Les Deplorables). The exodus of Salvadorans from inner city DC to Northern Virginia's suburbs is one good example of this dynamic. The local schools are getting overwhelmed, MS-13 is exploding as a problem...

    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration

    Yes, this. Can’t speak for everyone, but certainly true for me.

    Living overseas in a developing country will teach you quickly to shed your “People are all the same everywhere” blinders. It just ain’t true. There’s a reason these countries remain mired in poverty, economic stagnation, corruption and backwardness. This was common knowledge in our grandparents’ time.

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    There's no better anti-SJW inoculation in the world than to expose your children to the realities of it. Not that I would suggest shipping them off to a ghetto school or have them walk the streets of San Salvador unguarded, of course, but SJWs are inevitably the product of a culture that has barricaded them into a clouded, abstract version of reality, boiled down to simplistic categories of black and white. It's really no different from a religious cult. The best way to prevent it from happening among your brood isn't to bury them in books or hector them, it is to prick the bubble in practice.

    @Mr. Tsinghua benefits from a nationalist Communist Party government that restricts Third World immigration, so he’s in no danger of his homeland being Han minority in 50 years.

    No, but he does remember, or heard stories from his parents, about what the Cultural Revolution was like, and would be under few illusions about where he'd lie on the baizuo's political totem pole.

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  59. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/951258218910633984

    Chelsea is disappointed that whatever video there is on Grahamnesty, she’s not the fellatrice.

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  60. “The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,” said Vargas, a former Post reporter.

    The pen is mightier than sword. Or in the case of Antifa, the pen is mightier than the bicycle chain and the flamethrower.

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  61. zeroeth amendment uber alles:

    CUOMO: New York won’t let GOP shutter Statue of Liberty during shutdown

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-y-won-gop-close-statue-liberty-shutdown-article-1.3770491

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  62. I remember the moment that I began to believe that Trump would win the 2016 election.

    It was while watching a question-and-answer session during which he used the phrase “anchor baby.” A reporter stood up and asked him if that was not an offensive and demeaning term. Trump responded, “what would you call them?” The reporter reeled off a lengthy euphemistic circumlocution, and Trump shot back that he was going to continue calling them anchor babies. The crowd erupted in applause and cheers.

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  63. Those are old, straight-forward terms for the realities they are describing.

    “Amnesty” isn’t. True amnesty merely forgives old wrongs, it does not reward them.

    They can enjoy true amnesty back in their own countries, where we will exempt them from prosecution. Fair enough?

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  64. “The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,” said Vargas…

    Ha!

    No, I mean har-de-har-HAR!!

    Jeez Louise…

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  65. @Moses

    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration
     
    Yes, this. Can't speak for everyone, but certainly true for me.

    Living overseas in a developing country will teach you quickly to shed your "People are all the same everywhere" blinders. It just ain't true. There's a reason these countries remain mired in poverty, economic stagnation, corruption and backwardness. This was common knowledge in our grandparents' time.

    There’s no better anti-SJW inoculation in the world than to expose your children to the realities of it. Not that I would suggest shipping them off to a ghetto school or have them walk the streets of San Salvador unguarded, of course, but SJWs are inevitably the product of a culture that has barricaded them into a clouded, abstract version of reality, boiled down to simplistic categories of black and white. It’s really no different from a religious cult. The best way to prevent it from happening among your brood isn’t to bury them in books or hector them, it is to prick the bubble in practice.

    @Mr. Tsinghua benefits from a nationalist Communist Party government that restricts Third World immigration, so he’s in no danger of his homeland being Han minority in 50 years.

    No, but he does remember, or heard stories from his parents, about what the Cultural Revolution was like, and would be under few illusions about where he’d lie on the baizuo’s political totem pole.

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    "Not that I would suggest shipping them off to a ghetto school "

    I respond:

    The best thing I ever did in my life was to be a 7th and 8th grade public school teacher for a year in Brooklyn NY. Talk about becoming a race realist - but also becoming a still good person but a tough person that doesn't ever have to put up with idiot liberals or worse, know it all Libertarians.
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  66. @nebulafox
    Trump was at his best in 2016 when elite bipartisan conventional wisdom was so visibly, indisputably bad, nonsensical, or discredited that he could just simply call the emperor out as having no clothes when his opponent was out of touch enough to double down on it. The February South Carolina bloodbath and his ruthless destruction of Jeb Bush over Iraq and Syria was perhaps the best example of this in action.

    The problem is, Trump's reaction is pretty much an ordinary person's: "WTF?" It doesn't mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn't mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses. He just knows the BS, calls it out, and then doesn't press his advantage: 3 minutes later is off to spewing world salad on some other subject. Given this very high volatility memory model, that means he's tremendously susceptible to whoever can impress him, provided they don't give off obvious BS.

    He can say whatever he wants. Language is important, but actions are forever.

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  67. @nebulafox
    Trump was at his best in 2016 when elite bipartisan conventional wisdom was so visibly, indisputably bad, nonsensical, or discredited that he could just simply call the emperor out as having no clothes when his opponent was out of touch enough to double down on it. The February South Carolina bloodbath and his ruthless destruction of Jeb Bush over Iraq and Syria was perhaps the best example of this in action.

    The problem is, Trump's reaction is pretty much an ordinary person's: "WTF?" It doesn't mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn't mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses. He just knows the BS, calls it out, and then doesn't press his advantage: 3 minutes later is off to spewing world salad on some other subject. Given this very high volatility memory model, that means he's tremendously susceptible to whoever can impress him, provided they don't give off obvious BS.

    The problem is, Trump’s reaction is pretty much an ordinary person’s: “WTF?” It doesn’t mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn’t mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses.

    Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump. Not opposed necessarily, but we just have to let Trump do his thing and we do ours.

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    @67 Boethiuss: "Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump. Not opposed necessarily, but we just have to let Trump do his thing and we do ours."

    You may do as you like. Many readers here, however, are NOT repukes. I am not a repuke nor an "independent." I'm alt-right, regardless of whatever term the press or pollsters choose to use. I categorically reject both branches of the uniparty and the moderate middle.
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  68. @RudyM
    We should clone Tucker Carlson and put one of him on every street corner. If I'm understanding you, I think he does what you are saying should be done.

    We should clone Tucker Carlson and put one of him on every street corner. If I’m understanding you, I think he does what you are saying should be done.

    There’s obvious genetic problems with trying this too literally, but yeah, pretty much.

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  69. Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump.

    Who’s a Republican? I’m a conservative. Strike that – I’m a traditionalist/reactionary. Anyone else here think the same? The Republican Party means nothing to me. As the 2016 election demonstrated, a lot of the Republican party is, effectively, hostile to us. I mostly vote Republican, but only tactically. They are a vehicle, and I will happily abandon them when a better vehicle comes along. What WE need is a line that is independent of Republicans.

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    Not only is this true but Bernie demonstrated that it's also true of the other side. The Establishment has no sincere popular support. All its voters are uninformed robots, be they whites who vote X because they always have or mestizos as unaware of who they're voting for as they are unaware of which polling places they're being bussed around to.
    , @dfordoom

    The Republican Party means nothing to me.
     
    The Republican Party is the most dangerous enemy of all. Like all the mainstream "conservative" parties in the West it needs to be burnt to the ground.
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  70. The Right didn’t do so much as create a new linguistic reality as the Internet began chopping the legs off the legacy MSM and slowly made them irrelevant as whites now could obtain news from other sources that weren’t outright DNC/prog organs like the WaPo, NYT, LAT, CBS, ABC, etc.

    Trump sort of finished them off by talking about subjects that the MSM and Political class had censored for 25+ years – namely illegal immigration and free trade. He brought up subjects that were near and dear to the white blue collars and middle-class. Then starting a dumpster fire among the MSM by exposing their liberal, anti-American bias for all to see by calling them “fake news”
    which the MSM lived down to every day

    The MSM can’t recapture this particular demographic because these people know the MSM hates them and wants them dead and gone according to the editorials these creeps run in their magazines and newspapers.

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  71. How about compromise language…………….Undocumented Invader.

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  72. On the left, advocates have defended a tradition of “family reunification”

    The Left has spent the last 50+ years denigrating both marriage and the importance of the traditional family, suddenly they decide that marriage is important – for gays! – and that not just the nuclear family but the exended family, as well, is important – for immigrants!

    Straight people and Americans don’t need either, of course.

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    Excellent point, Wilkey. I used to point out, during the gay marriage “debate,” that marriage and its virtues had never before known so many “friends”—people who the day before yesterday could be heard denigrating the worth of “a mere piece of paper” in conferring legitimacy on the union of two individuals.

    I’ve never made the analogous connection regarding the newfound enthusiasm for the traditional family among immigration enthusiasts. But you’re right: These are the same people who, in other contexts, lecture us that a “family” is any group of people you choose to hang around with, and that kin bonds are irrelevant and oppressive.

    Thanks for noticing.
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  73. @nebulafox
    Trump was at his best in 2016 when elite bipartisan conventional wisdom was so visibly, indisputably bad, nonsensical, or discredited that he could just simply call the emperor out as having no clothes when his opponent was out of touch enough to double down on it. The February South Carolina bloodbath and his ruthless destruction of Jeb Bush over Iraq and Syria was perhaps the best example of this in action.

    The problem is, Trump's reaction is pretty much an ordinary person's: "WTF?" It doesn't mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn't mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses. He just knows the BS, calls it out, and then doesn't press his advantage: 3 minutes later is off to spewing world salad on some other subject. Given this very high volatility memory model, that means he's tremendously susceptible to whoever can impress him, provided they don't give off obvious BS.

    Trump’s reaction is pretty much an ordinary person’s: “WTF?” It doesn’t mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn’t mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses.

    Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric still serves a purpose, though. It’s broadened the range of acceptable discourse. It allows more people to say “I disagree with him, but…” For the last few years the Left has tried to push terms like “illegal immigrant” into the category of hate speech. Now they’re so focused on Trump’s statements they don’t even have time to deal with it.

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  74. @Elf Himself
    Speaking of language variants, I've become fond of saying "returned home" (or even better, "safely returned home") instead of "deported." Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Yep. We need to drop the “deportation” rhetoric. The proper language is to say that we want to “safely repatriate these illegal aliens to their home countries/countries of legal residence.”

    Deportation makes it sound as if we’re dropping them into a black hole, instead of sending them back to countries with millions, tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions citizens who manage to survive just fine.

    It’s time to start waging a few language battles of our own.

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    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that:

    1. The countries of origin are supposedly not safe (and of course they will gloss over the cognitive dissonance between Eritrea’s de jure criminalization of expatriation and its de facto massive fraud), and
    2. Eventual repatriations will have to be forced and not necessarily clean due to the uncooperativeness of the countries of origin.

    I think we passed the moment for niceties a long time ago. The gloves need to come off. The sooner, the better.
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  75. The Google Ngram Viewer is in principle a good idea for tracking how often a given word or phrase has been used over the years. Eyeballing the graph at the top of this article, it looks like the two-word phrase “chain migration” occurred at the rate 0.00000720% in the year 2000. Does this mean that “chain migration” made up this percentage of all the two-word phrases in the relevant corpus in that year? The Wikipedia article

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Ngram_Viewer

    is vague about what this percentage means: What is 0.00000720% of what?

    Also, the scientific prefixes used for small quantities like this are pure numbers, so that 0.00000720% = 7.2×10^-6 % = 7.2×10^-8 = 72×10^-9 = 72 nano. These prefixes are
    milli = 10^-3 (abbreviated m)
    micro = 10^-6 (abbreviated )
    nano = 10^-9 (abbreviated n)
    pico = 10^-12 (abbreviated p)
    femto = 10^-15 (abbreviated f)

    Thus, instead of specifying the frequency of a phrase as “0.00000720%”, the frequency could be more compactly designated as “72 n”. Just a modest proposal.

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    As soon as Google figures out that we're using Ngram to demonstrate inconvenient truths, they'll start massaging the results. Just wait and see. That is, if they haven't already started.
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  76. @415 reasons
    An undocumented migrant is just a friend you haven’t met.

    An undocumented migrant is just a mugger you haven’t met.

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  78. @Perplexed
    The next step is right there: "Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines."

    Which means anyone employing him since 2011 is also liable for punishment in some way, given they knew his status.

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  79. @donut
    “It’s a real problem,” Gonzales said. “It’s become so distorted. If you use a term in an incorrect or incendiary way enough times, people start using it that way.”

    Does he mean terms like Nazi and racist ?

    And a term like white privilege.

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  80. @nebulafox
    Ah, yes, why double down on failure when you can triple down?

    If there's one thing that has traditionally damaged the left from Marx onwards, it is their obsession with petty matters of terminology and ideological doctrine, more akin to a religious cult than a political movement. They (and by they, I mean especially rich bien-pensants at the Post) really don't grasp how strange outsiders find it: and in the specific case of 21st Century America, how phony outsiders find it.

    "Undocumented" immigrants... if you were to take the implication seriously, anybody, by simply crossing the border, would become American should they wish it. It isn't up to the national community, not up to the state to invite people in, in this globalized 21st Century of ours. We aren't a state. No, America is nothing more than a store, with open access! It is up to *poetry*, immigration policy is to be based off of poetry... now, some non-poetical facts! There are 5 billion people out there in the developing world: nowhere it is addressed what the practical consequences of making the American welfare state, inept and expensive and shallow as it is compared to much of the developed world, would be if you were offer it globally. It wasn't even a decade ago when no less than Paul Krugman was able and willing, however tentatively and unwilling he was to go to the logical conclusion, to point this out. What does it speak to in which now the "left-wing" party is quoting the Cato Institute, the Wall Street Journal, and Lindsey Graham's arguments on immigration?

    it is their obsession with petty matters of terminology and ideological doctrine

    Talmudic hairsplitting bullshit is the term I like to use.

    Recent examples – the claim that there are no-go areas in France boils down to argument about the exact meaning of the term ‘no-go area’.

    The claim that we have open borders is bogged down in pointless debate about the exact meaning of ‘open borders’.

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    Right-wing doom mongering is a rhetorical failure.

    Roissy's "Diversity+Proximity=War" is only correct if there is no police state. The West has the most technologically advanced police state that ever existed.

    As bad as many Islam-occupied cities are in Western Europe, there is more violence in US and Latin American cities.

    No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse. Until a collapse comes, our rhetoric about an existential threat to civilization looks like empty demagougery when filitered through the hostile media and academia.

    The left, by contrast, has a much easier time with their "existential threat" of global warming. The entire journolism-academic complex is behind it. And the "ice-free Arctic" is more likely to happen than France collapsing into Civil War by 2030. (I predict some kind of partition for SA by 2030)
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  81. WH to Lindsay Graham: When you stop placing illegals over Americans, give us a call.

    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/01/21/white-house-lindsey-graham-stop-supporting-illegals-americans-give-us-call/amp/

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    I never could understand how the most Conservative state in the Union South Carolina keeps re-electing this open borders immigration, Neo Conservative war mongering flaming homosexual lisping Lindsey Graham.

    Until South Carolina pushed their Politically Correct Liberal Indian governess up to New York City to be UN Ambassador where she seems to just represent Israel, South Carolina did not have a heterosexual Southerner in the offices of

    Governor
    US Senators

    What's the matter with South Carolina?

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/03/04/whats-the-matter-with-south-carolina/

    With Lisping Lindsey Graham - it's like South Carolina is fine with electing and re-election Ted Kennedy in drag.
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  82. @Bragadocious
    I'm surprised blacks haven't complained more about the DACA grifters trying to turn this into a civil rights issue. For a long time, blacks and Native Americans were the only ones who could play that card. Now, foreign nationals are using it, and there isn't a peep to be heard from the black community. Their special victim status has been hijacked and their "leadership" is letting it slide. My hunch is this explains a lot of the NFL kneeling. It's their way of saying "we're still here" but it just comes off as millionaire petulance.

    The logical response from Trump to Durbin should have been:

    "Do you tell your black constituents that DACA is the equivalent of Selma, the March on Washington and the desegregation of public universities in the South? And if you have, what's their response?"

    Blacks don’t appear interested in playing the two parties off against each other to achieve gains regardless of who is in power.* They have hitched their wagon to leftist redistributionist policies guaranteed by a permanent left-wing majority, as exists in nearly all of our large cities.

    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.

    Blacks in Selma also just stole a Senate seat for the Dems, by a candidate openly arguing for a mass amnesty.

    *Even leftist New England states have been willing to vote for GOP Senators from time to time, but ambitious black pols today have no interest in following the Colin Powell Rockefeller Republican route.

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    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.
     
    but American blacks hate foreign blacks.

    or as Whiskey might say, they hate hate hate foreign blacks.
    , @Anonymous
    A casual gander over Unz comments would be swift to discourage any minority from supporting any right-wing goals. I mean, imagine if you are a black family man, do you want to be told to that segregation is the way forward and that you should be willing to accept being evicted from the country?

    Its not reasonable to except people to actively seek their own self-destruction. At least the leftists are nicer in language.
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  83. Probably the best argument against uncontrolled mass immigration is ‘Schaeffer’s Number’, (see iSteve passim).
    Although the apologists will concoct convoluted stories involving the descendants of immigrants.

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  84. @Lurker

    it is their obsession with petty matters of terminology and ideological doctrine
     
    Talmudic hairsplitting bullshit is the term I like to use.

    Recent examples - the claim that there are no-go areas in France boils down to argument about the exact meaning of the term 'no-go area'.

    The claim that we have open borders is bogged down in pointless debate about the exact meaning of 'open borders'.

    Right-wing doom mongering is a rhetorical failure.

    Roissy’s “Diversity+Proximity=War” is only correct if there is no police state. The West has the most technologically advanced police state that ever existed.

    As bad as many Islam-occupied cities are in Western Europe, there is more violence in US and Latin American cities.

    No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse. Until a collapse comes, our rhetoric about an existential threat to civilization looks like empty demagougery when filitered through the hostile media and academia.

    The left, by contrast, has a much easier time with their “existential threat” of global warming. The entire journolism-academic complex is behind it. And the “ice-free Arctic” is more likely to happen than France collapsing into Civil War by 2030. (I predict some kind of partition for SA by 2030)

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    >>No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse<<

    I think we are more worried about a Zimbabwe or South Africa white genocide than a civilisational collapse - SA of course still has some whites and high-ability non-whites in the cities to keep things ticking over.

    As far as I can see, with Diversity things keep ticking along in a decayed state until the Diverse really take over and can start looting the State. This tends to be a sudden step-change due to an election. Also some Diverse like Mexican mesztizos are quite quiet and don't do much, they can be kept under control by a different population group, eg by Conquistadors in Mexico, by Jews in California (arguably Anglo whites fit here too as a controllable group). Other groups like blacks in Detroit or SA have Big Men who will not accept subordinate status, take over and start the looting.
    , @dfordoom

    Right-wing doom mongering is a rhetorical failure.
     
    I think "white genocide" is one of the most spectacular examples of such a failure. If you use that term you're going to be dismissed as a nutjob.
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  85. @newrouter
    "“The right has been so good at using language as a weapon,” said Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines. "

    You shall go back to your homeland.

    “The right has been so good at using language as a weapon”

    Always be accusin’ of what you be doin’.

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  86. >>a dirty word for people<<

    They have succeeded in making "the media" a dirty word for people.

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  87. @Maj. Kong
    Right-wing doom mongering is a rhetorical failure.

    Roissy's "Diversity+Proximity=War" is only correct if there is no police state. The West has the most technologically advanced police state that ever existed.

    As bad as many Islam-occupied cities are in Western Europe, there is more violence in US and Latin American cities.

    No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse. Until a collapse comes, our rhetoric about an existential threat to civilization looks like empty demagougery when filitered through the hostile media and academia.

    The left, by contrast, has a much easier time with their "existential threat" of global warming. The entire journolism-academic complex is behind it. And the "ice-free Arctic" is more likely to happen than France collapsing into Civil War by 2030. (I predict some kind of partition for SA by 2030)

    >>No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse<<

    I think we are more worried about a Zimbabwe or South Africa white genocide than a civilisational collapse – SA of course still has some whites and high-ability non-whites in the cities to keep things ticking over.

    As far as I can see, with Diversity things keep ticking along in a decayed state until the Diverse really take over and can start looting the State. This tends to be a sudden step-change due to an election. Also some Diverse like Mexican mesztizos are quite quiet and don't do much, they can be kept under control by a different population group, eg by Conquistadors in Mexico, by Jews in California (arguably Anglo whites fit here too as a controllable group). Other groups like blacks in Detroit or SA have Big Men who will not accept subordinate status, take over and start the looting.

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    Blacks in Atlanta took a different path than Detroit blacks did.

    I have heard Cape Town could be facing a water shortage, but even that is fixable with Israeli desalination measures that have been introduced in many countries.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
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  88. @AnotherDad

    The next step is right there: “Vargas, a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines.”
     
    Should be the next step for Trump too. Arrest and deport this creep.

    Someone needs to report Vargas to ICE.

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  89. @George
    “family reunification”

    Isn't there a disparate impact issue here. Why should Americans from a foreign country be allowed to bring people into the US when ordinary Americans, without family abroad, cannot. I think if whatever-Americans can bring a few people into the US all Americans should be able to bring a few people into the US.

    Damned good point. We could all import some South Africans.

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  90. @CCZ
    Young black criminal "immigrants" are politely labeled "teens" instead of the more honest terms: thugs, hoodrats, criminals, or urban terrorists.

    Teens roam streets with rifles as crime swamps Sweden

    The army may be called in to halt a gang surge in immigrant areas
    January 21 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

    The blast was so powerful that it shook windows a mile away. Ahmad’s first thought was that someone had thrown yet another bomb at the police.

    He was right. On Wednesday night an explosive device was hurled at the police station in Rosengard, a troubled area of Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city.

    Attacks on the police are increasingly frequent. Rosengard’s force works from a black fortress of reinforced concrete with narrow windows and a 10ft-high electric fence.
     

    Wow. Even Malmo Sweden gets a wall. When’s our turn again?

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  91. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    The Google Ngram Viewer is in principle a good idea for tracking how often a given word or phrase has been used over the years. Eyeballing the graph at the top of this article, it looks like the two-word phrase "chain migration" occurred at the rate 0.00000720% in the year 2000. Does this mean that "chain migration" made up this percentage of all the two-word phrases in the relevant corpus in that year? The Wikipedia article
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Ngram_Viewer
    is vague about what this percentage means: What is 0.00000720% of what?

    Also, the scientific prefixes used for small quantities like this are pure numbers, so that 0.00000720% = 7.2x10^-6 % = 7.2x10^-8 = 72x10^-9 = 72 nano. These prefixes are
    milli = 10^-3 (abbreviated m)
    micro = 10^-6 (abbreviated )
    nano = 10^-9 (abbreviated n)
    pico = 10^-12 (abbreviated p)
    femto = 10^-15 (abbreviated f)

    Thus, instead of specifying the frequency of a phrase as "0.00000720%", the frequency could be more compactly designated as "72 n". Just a modest proposal.

    As soon as Google figures out that we’re using Ngram to demonstrate inconvenient truths, they’ll start massaging the results. Just wait and see. That is, if they haven’t already started.

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    When the BBC found that people were using their news search engine to demonstrate bias* in their reporting, they changed it to be much less useful.

    * e.g. 85 stories mentioning "far-left", 1,935 mentioning "far-right", that sort of discrepancy.

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  92. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    Americans In All But Name Only?

    If we’re going to take back the offensive, where going to have to go right past illegal alien to stress the invasion aspect … how about Invaders In All But Name Only.

    I need to work on a catchy acronym.

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  93. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    I remember reading “undocumented citizens” in AP reports.

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  94. @Maj. Kong
    Related:

    (Sweden)

    Roosh cousin shills for the Moderate (cuck) Party. Culturally appropriates Sweden Democrat/ AltRight memes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5156643/Hanif-Bali-Swedens-Milo-social-media-influencer.html

    Why couldn’t he have been sent to America?

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  95. @Wilkey
    Speaking of language variants, I’ve become fond of saying “returned home” (or even better, “safely returned home”) instead of “deported.” Whattaya say, WaPo?

    Yep. We need to drop the "deportation" rhetoric. The proper language is to say that we want to "safely repatriate these illegal aliens to their home countries/countries of legal residence."

    Deportation makes it sound as if we're dropping them into a black hole, instead of sending them back to countries with millions, tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions citizens who manage to survive just fine.

    It's time to start waging a few language battles of our own.

    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that:

    1. The countries of origin are supposedly not safe (and of course they will gloss over the cognitive dissonance between Eritrea’s de jure criminalization of expatriation and its de facto massive fraud), and
    2. Eventual repatriations will have to be forced and not necessarily clean due to the uncooperativeness of the countries of origin.

    I think we passed the moment for niceties a long time ago. The gloves need to come off. The sooner, the better.

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    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that...The countries of origin are supposedly not safe

    What's that you say, Washington Post? Are you saying that these countries are...shitholes?
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  96. @Wilkey
    On the left, advocates have defended a tradition of “family reunification”

    The Left has spent the last 50+ years denigrating both marriage and the importance of the traditional family, suddenly they decide that marriage is important - for gays! - and that not just the nuclear family but the exended family, as well, is important - for immigrants!

    Straight people and Americans don't need either, of course.

    Excellent point, Wilkey. I used to point out, during the gay marriage “debate,” that marriage and its virtues had never before known so many “friends”—people who the day before yesterday could be heard denigrating the worth of “a mere piece of paper” in conferring legitimacy on the union of two individuals.

    I’ve never made the analogous connection regarding the newfound enthusiasm for the traditional family among immigration enthusiasts. But you’re right: These are the same people who, in other contexts, lecture us that a “family” is any group of people you choose to hang around with, and that kin bonds are irrelevant and oppressive.

    Thanks for noticing.

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  97. @Anonymous
    As soon as Google figures out that we're using Ngram to demonstrate inconvenient truths, they'll start massaging the results. Just wait and see. That is, if they haven't already started.

    When the BBC found that people were using their news search engine to demonstrate bias* in their reporting, they changed it to be much less useful.

    * e.g. 85 stories mentioning “far-left”, 1,935 mentioning “far-right”, that sort of discrepancy.

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  98. @Anon
    The "DREAM" part of "DREAMers" stands for "Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act". It's ironic for immigration enthusiasts to be claiming the other side is playing word games.

    Their word games are in the service of Social Justice Warriorism so of course it’s ok.

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  99. @nebulafox
    Any born American citizen who has actually spent time living in the Third World for a non-trivial period-I mean actually living there, not being gated up in a rich expat bubble-will happily tell you how insane it would be to not control immigration, no matter what their views on the subject were before. You'll easily see this dynamic with idealistic Peace Corps volunteers fresh from college. Many go abroad as open borders types. Few come back that way.

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally? No, the people who are the biggest loudmouths in favor of unlimited immigration are the types of people who have *never* wanted for anything in their lives.

    And the truly disgusting part is that while proclaiming their own virtue, they inevitably dump off the negative consequences onto their social lessers, which at best they view in condescending paternalistic terms (Asians, blacks) or at worst with open contempt (Les Deplorables). The exodus of Salvadorans from inner city DC to Northern Virginia's suburbs is one good example of this dynamic. The local schools are getting overwhelmed, MS-13 is exploding as a problem...

    And the irony is: many Third World immigrants would agree with them. You really think Mr. IIT or Tsinghua graduate who had to labor for a Phd in mathematics or CS to get citizenship is happy to be conflated with some half-literate Somali imported under the diversity visa, or even more insultingly, with someone who crossed the border illegally?

    Logically, one might think that would be the case. But this assumes that these notional high-achieving immigrants are inclined to buy in to our system and thus to seek our approval. More often, thanks mostly to generations of ceaseless leftist agitation, their attitude is instead that they’re going to flip the table and become the masters. To do that, they need an army — half-literates and all.

    I actually think that the liberal world order can be saved, even now. But it requires a poignant demonstration to certain people that taking outrageous advantage of the extraordinarily generous opportunities afforded them will not avail them indefinitely.

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  100. @Bragadocious
    I'm surprised blacks haven't complained more about the DACA grifters trying to turn this into a civil rights issue. For a long time, blacks and Native Americans were the only ones who could play that card. Now, foreign nationals are using it, and there isn't a peep to be heard from the black community. Their special victim status has been hijacked and their "leadership" is letting it slide. My hunch is this explains a lot of the NFL kneeling. It's their way of saying "we're still here" but it just comes off as millionaire petulance.

    The logical response from Trump to Durbin should have been:

    "Do you tell your black constituents that DACA is the equivalent of Selma, the March on Washington and the desegregation of public universities in the South? And if you have, what's their response?"

    We’ve tried for ~ 25 years to get Black AA political leaders to take our/their side on immigration. It hasn’t worked. Reason doesn’t work with this group.

    Instead I recommend just getting better at racial politics and racial economics.

    Blacks will not vote in alliances with White working class folks. But a good percentage of working class Hispanics will work, vote against bad Black AA.

    Take Chicago – our city has lost about 50% of it’s Black African American population since 2000. But so far all of the Black Congressional districts, aldermanic districts and government jobs like CTA bus drivers have remained reserved for Blacks. That can change and it must.

    Let’s start openly talking, threatening and working to make for safe Black AA congressional districts or government jobs go Hispanic.

    Some 50 year plus White Anglo guy can marry a 30 something Hispanic and valaha – his family is now “minority” hispanic.

    It’s reality that all honest working class folks – White, Hispanic, Black African cab drivers, Lyft drivers despise the Black criminal welfare underclass. As do all merchants from times past and present. Why do you think Asian merchants in Philadelphia only serve their Black AA customers behind bullet proof glass.

    Start running, supporting tough law and order White guys and make the bad guys more Black AA than illegals.

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    We’ve tried for ~ 25 years to get Black AA political leaders to take our/their side on immigration. It hasn’t worked. Reason doesn’t work with this group.
     
    Barbara Jordan was a strong advocate of immigration restriction. She was a Black American political leader. Trump just cited her on immigration to the outrage of the left.

    Most blacks and whites I know are politically left and basically endorse that tribe/team position on everything, including immigration. Some politically left people I know think the immigration stance is nuts.

    Most non-political black Americans I know don't care deeply about the immigration issue. Black Americans often are quite culturally different from Black Africans. I've seen situations of rivalry and conflict as well as kinship.
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  101. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    OT: The circular firing squad of the Coalition of the Fringes just had a beautiful misfire.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/planned-parenthood-president-tells-white-women-to-do-better-in-fight-for-equality/ar-AAuZb1w?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

    The president of Planned Parenthood called on white women to do more to "save this country from itself," crediting women of color with many of the recent political victories.

    . . . She urged white women to join forces with women of color to change the nation.
    "So, white women, listen up. We've got to do better. ... It is not up to women of color to save this country from itself. That's on all of us. That's on all of us," said Richards, who also heads the Planned Parenthood Action Fund.
     
    Burn, baby, burn.

    Somebody send out the Bat signal to Whiskey.

    Liberal White women don’t seem to care that the other members of their coalition hate them. So it doesn’t matter how much abuse they receive.

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  102. @gruff
    Reminder that an anti-open borders text is still up on Bernie's website:

    https://berniesanders.com/open-borders-a-gimmick-not-a-solution/

    Like many libertarian ideas, “open borders” is bold, has superficial intellectual appeal – and is incapable of withstanding thoughtful scrutiny. It would benefit the wealthy few at the expense of the many, here and abroad.

    Thanks for the link – awesome.

    The “honest liberal” who actually does care about the life of American workers, cares about the environment, wants to avoid unnecessary, counter productive Neo Conservative wars in the ME, wants to oppose obscene $ military spending, restarting the Cold War with the Russians, wants to have merited based racial policies where decent Black AA and decent Whites are treated fairly – this honest Liberal position is one of my favorites.

    The Atlantic Magazine was pretty much this way in the early 1990s, now J Neo Conservatives are taking it over along with links to Salon, Huffington Post – blatant lying propaganda from BlackLiesMatter, covering, denying for the worst forms of radical Islam including the return of open slavery and mass sexual grooming of poor English girls in Rotherham England.

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  103. @nebulafox
    There's no better anti-SJW inoculation in the world than to expose your children to the realities of it. Not that I would suggest shipping them off to a ghetto school or have them walk the streets of San Salvador unguarded, of course, but SJWs are inevitably the product of a culture that has barricaded them into a clouded, abstract version of reality, boiled down to simplistic categories of black and white. It's really no different from a religious cult. The best way to prevent it from happening among your brood isn't to bury them in books or hector them, it is to prick the bubble in practice.

    @Mr. Tsinghua benefits from a nationalist Communist Party government that restricts Third World immigration, so he’s in no danger of his homeland being Han minority in 50 years.

    No, but he does remember, or heard stories from his parents, about what the Cultural Revolution was like, and would be under few illusions about where he'd lie on the baizuo's political totem pole.

    “Not that I would suggest shipping them off to a ghetto school ”

    I respond:

    The best thing I ever did in my life was to be a 7th and 8th grade public school teacher for a year in Brooklyn NY. Talk about becoming a race realist – but also becoming a still good person but a tough person that doesn’t ever have to put up with idiot liberals or worse, know it all Libertarians.

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  104. One of Trump’s best moments on the campaign trail was mocking a reporter for telling Trump that he shouldn’t use the term “anchor baby.”

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  105. @Jack Hanson
    WH to Lindsay Graham: When you stop placing illegals over Americans, give us a call.

    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/01/21/white-house-lindsey-graham-stop-supporting-illegals-americans-give-us-call/amp/

    I never could understand how the most Conservative state in the Union South Carolina keeps re-electing this open borders immigration, Neo Conservative war mongering flaming homosexual lisping Lindsey Graham.

    Until South Carolina pushed their Politically Correct Liberal Indian governess up to New York City to be UN Ambassador where she seems to just represent Israel, South Carolina did not have a heterosexual Southerner in the offices of

    Governor
    US Senators

    What’s the matter with South Carolina?

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/03/04/whats-the-matter-with-south-carolina/

    With Lisping Lindsey Graham – it’s like South Carolina is fine with electing and re-election Ted Kennedy in drag.

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    Jack, I’ve been asking this question for years. Who in the F*** keeps voting for this guy? All it would take, I think, is a reasonable candidate (who isn’t into under-age girls) and the support of a couple of radio talk show hosts like Laura Ingrahsm and Limbaugh, along with a Trump endorsement, to crush this turd. He needs to go!
    , @Anonymous
    He's definitely fey and effeminate, but I don't think he's gay.
    OTOH he gives off the child-molester vibe in spades.
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  106. @gruff
    Reminder that an anti-open borders text is still up on Bernie's website:

    https://berniesanders.com/open-borders-a-gimmick-not-a-solution/

    Like many libertarian ideas, “open borders” is bold, has superficial intellectual appeal – and is incapable of withstanding thoughtful scrutiny. It would benefit the wealthy few at the expense of the many, here and abroad.

    Unfortunately with Bernie Sanders type socialism, he/they tend to agree with whomever happens to be in the room with them at the time or in worse case agree with whatever mob is shouting at them at them time.

    It was this way with BlackLiesMatter mobs where the mob actually forced Bernie to repeat their slogans.

    Donald Trump made a very effective issue of this, stating he would never led some protesting mob intimidate him or intimidate Trump supporters.

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  107. ‘Chain migration’ as metaphor for African Americans in chains = an idea for an article pitched to Salon that got turned down and ended up in the Huffington Post… only to be swatted over to The Onion vis-a-vis a blue-eyed courier named Jorge Ramos.

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  108. @Maj. Kong
    Mr. IIT and Mr. Tsinghua probably don't have any interest in the demographic continuity of the Western peoples.

    Mr. IIT might love Narenda Modi and the BJP, but would call the GOP 'racist'.

    Mr. Tsinghua benefits from a nationalist Communist Party government that restricts Third World immigration, so he's in no danger of his homeland being Han minority in 50 years.

    ---
    The left considers the unchained Right to be an existential threat to civilization. You can't negotiate with an opponent that believes you want a second holocaust.

    >implying there was a first

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  109. PC is really about changing language to control the discourse, so it’s no surprise that calling something by what it really is could be quite jarring when their terms don’t stick.

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  110. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    “unlawful immigrant” is a phrase Trump’s press secretary used yesterday. It’s softer but still gets the essential point across.

    Those resisting the globalist left also have words and phrases that work well on the battlefield of ideas and ideology, some old (newspeak, doublethink, etc), some middle-age (pc, political correctness, race hustler), some new (snowflake, SJW, etc.). In the past the left had the most verbally adroit people on their side, but that might be changing, a sure sign of a shift in the culture. Careers open to talent.

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  111. The terms “illegal alien” and “illegal immigrant” are much older and better established than politically correct Newspeak euphemisms “undocumented immigrant” or “undocumented worker:”

    “Undocumented” is unparalleled in its dishonesty. It’s connoting that there was some sort of bureaucratic slip-up and that the authorities just forgot to give them some piece of paper or lost a file or something.

    Instead of conferring a low-effort, expedited gift of American citizenship as a reward to people who violated our very laws regarding immigration and naturalization, we’re just fixing some papers and confirming what is already in fact.

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  112. Unfortunately, it seems like the Left has been winning for a while now re: the term “chain migration.” According to Google Ngram Viewer, the term “family reunification” overtook CM around 1980.

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  113. @Simon in London
    >>No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse<<

    I think we are more worried about a Zimbabwe or South Africa white genocide than a civilisational collapse - SA of course still has some whites and high-ability non-whites in the cities to keep things ticking over.

    As far as I can see, with Diversity things keep ticking along in a decayed state until the Diverse really take over and can start looting the State. This tends to be a sudden step-change due to an election. Also some Diverse like Mexican mesztizos are quite quiet and don't do much, they can be kept under control by a different population group, eg by Conquistadors in Mexico, by Jews in California (arguably Anglo whites fit here too as a controllable group). Other groups like blacks in Detroit or SA have Big Men who will not accept subordinate status, take over and start the looting.

    Blacks in Atlanta took a different path than Detroit blacks did.

    I have heard Cape Town could be facing a water shortage, but even that is fixable with Israeli desalination measures that have been introduced in many countries.

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  114. @Boethiuss

    The problem is, Trump’s reaction is pretty much an ordinary person’s: “WTF?” It doesn’t mean he has a coherent policy proposal against it. It doesn’t mean he can capitalize on it to burn his model of how things should be into the minds of the masses.
     
    Yeah, that's right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that's independent of Trump. Not opposed necessarily, but we just have to let Trump do his thing and we do ours.

    @67 Boethiuss: “Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump. Not opposed necessarily, but we just have to let Trump do his thing and we do ours.”

    You may do as you like. Many readers here, however, are NOT repukes. I am not a repuke nor an “independent.” I’m alt-right, regardless of whatever term the press or pollsters choose to use. I categorically reject both branches of the uniparty and the moderate middle.

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    You may do as you like. Many readers here, however, are NOT repukes. I am not a repuke nor an “independent.” I’m alt-right, regardless of whatever term the press or pollsters choose to use. I categorically reject both branches of the uniparty and the moderate middle.
     
    Yeah, there's a lot of you who feel that way, and all of you are shit.

    We need Americans whose mentality and intentions are oriented toward the best interest of Americans. Our fellow Americans need to know that we care about them, that we are invested in their success. We don't know necessarily the extent of our capabilities or willingness to pour our own resources towards other Americans, but we have to know and they have to know who it is we're rooting for.

    And in this world, the tangible, legitimate, concrete way to demonstrate that is to support Republicans. You can call yourselves immigration patriots or race realists or whatever. It doesn't change a single thing.
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  115. @jack ryan
    We've tried for ~ 25 years to get Black AA political leaders to take our/their side on immigration. It hasn't worked. Reason doesn't work with this group.

    Instead I recommend just getting better at racial politics and racial economics.

    Blacks will not vote in alliances with White working class folks. But a good percentage of working class Hispanics will work, vote against bad Black AA.

    Take Chicago - our city has lost about 50% of it's Black African American population since 2000. But so far all of the Black Congressional districts, aldermanic districts and government jobs like CTA bus drivers have remained reserved for Blacks. That can change and it must.

    Let's start openly talking, threatening and working to make for safe Black AA congressional districts or government jobs go Hispanic.

    Some 50 year plus White Anglo guy can marry a 30 something Hispanic and valaha - his family is now "minority" hispanic.

    It's reality that all honest working class folks - White, Hispanic, Black African cab drivers, Lyft drivers despise the Black criminal welfare underclass. As do all merchants from times past and present. Why do you think Asian merchants in Philadelphia only serve their Black AA customers behind bullet proof glass.

    Start running, supporting tough law and order White guys and make the bad guys more Black AA than illegals.

    We’ve tried for ~ 25 years to get Black AA political leaders to take our/their side on immigration. It hasn’t worked. Reason doesn’t work with this group.

    Barbara Jordan was a strong advocate of immigration restriction. She was a Black American political leader. Trump just cited her on immigration to the outrage of the left.

    Most blacks and whites I know are politically left and basically endorse that tribe/team position on everything, including immigration. Some politically left people I know think the immigration stance is nuts.

    Most non-political black Americans I know don’t care deeply about the immigration issue. Black Americans often are quite culturally different from Black Africans. I’ve seen situations of rivalry and conflict as well as kinship.

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  116. @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump.
     
    Who's a Republican? I'm a conservative. Strike that - I'm a traditionalist/reactionary. Anyone else here think the same? The Republican Party means nothing to me. As the 2016 election demonstrated, a lot of the Republican party is, effectively, hostile to us. I mostly vote Republican, but only tactically. They are a vehicle, and I will happily abandon them when a better vehicle comes along. What WE need is a line that is independent of Republicans.

    Not only is this true but Bernie demonstrated that it’s also true of the other side. The Establishment has no sincere popular support. All its voters are uninformed robots, be they whites who vote X because they always have or mestizos as unaware of who they’re voting for as they are unaware of which polling places they’re being bussed around to.

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  117. @jack ryan
    I never could understand how the most Conservative state in the Union South Carolina keeps re-electing this open borders immigration, Neo Conservative war mongering flaming homosexual lisping Lindsey Graham.

    Until South Carolina pushed their Politically Correct Liberal Indian governess up to New York City to be UN Ambassador where she seems to just represent Israel, South Carolina did not have a heterosexual Southerner in the offices of

    Governor
    US Senators

    What's the matter with South Carolina?

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/03/04/whats-the-matter-with-south-carolina/

    With Lisping Lindsey Graham - it's like South Carolina is fine with electing and re-election Ted Kennedy in drag.

    Jack, I’ve been asking this question for years. Who in the F*** keeps voting for this guy? All it would take, I think, is a reasonable candidate (who isn’t into under-age girls) and the support of a couple of radio talk show hosts like Laura Ingrahsm and Limbaugh, along with a Trump endorsement, to crush this turd. He needs to go!

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  118. @27 year old

    Roberto Gonzales, a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education who specializes in immigration.
     
    So he teaches people how to educate others about immigration? Perfect guy to quote in this story I guess

    Roberto Gonzales, a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education who specializes in immigration.

    QUESTION: Why does an employee/lecturer (aka “professor”) at a “School of Education” “specialize in immigration”?

    Isn’t a “School of Education” dedicated to teaching and advancing the numinous science of educationalizationismology?

    Also, wouldn’t someone NOT personally affected by “immigration” be better able to observe and discuss “immigration” more objectively and dispassionately? For example, an African American with 4 American grandparents, rather than a Conquistador invader?

    Or are we to understand that this is not really science so much as propaganda?

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  119. …said (Jose Antonio) Vargas(Chief Executive of Define America), a former Post reporter who came out publicly in a 2011 New York Times article as an unauthorized immigrant from the Philippines.

    Time to deport Vargas, and charge WaPo with employing illegals.

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  120. @Nico
    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that:

    1. The countries of origin are supposedly not safe (and of course they will gloss over the cognitive dissonance between Eritrea’s de jure criminalization of expatriation and its de facto massive fraud), and
    2. Eventual repatriations will have to be forced and not necessarily clean due to the uncooperativeness of the countries of origin.

    I think we passed the moment for niceties a long time ago. The gloves need to come off. The sooner, the better.

    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that…The countries of origin are supposedly not safe

    What’s that you say, Washington Post? Are you saying that these countries are…shitholes?

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    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that…The countries of origin are supposedly not safe

    What’s that you say, Washington Post? Are you saying that these countries are…shitholes?

     

    oh please, pretty much any place is safer than Chicago.
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  121. Even by the liberal standards of other western countries, this is incredibly PC. Australia and New Zealand may be getting swamped with legal Asian immigrants, but even the average liberal New Zealander would be gob-smacked by elite American attitudes to people who aren’t even legally allowed to be in their country.

    I’ve heard some American immigration restrictionists argue that illegal immigration isn’t that big an issue compared to legal immigration, but if America can even get reasonably tough on illegal immigration, the low-hanging fruit, how is it ever going to move onto dealing with legal migration and unwanted refugees?

    Until a sea-change occurs in American thinking on illegal immigration, serious immigration restrictionism in the US is a hopeless cause.

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    Until a sea-change occurs in American thinking on illegal immigration, serious immigration restrictionism in the US is a hopeless cause.
     
    You are not paying attention. The sea change has already occurred. The cave by Chuck Shoomer is the latest confirmation of the shift.

    The immigration moratorium is coming. The interesting question is whether citizenship granted before will be revoked.
    , @dfordoom

    I’ve heard some American immigration restrictionists argue that illegal immigration isn’t that big an issue compared to legal immigration, but if America can even get reasonably tough on illegal immigration, the low-hanging fruit, how is it ever going to move onto dealing with legal migration and unwanted refugees?
     
    You have to be careful. In Australia the get tough policy on illegal immigration was used successfully by the pro-immigration lobby as a smokescreen to distract people's attention from the policy of demographic replacement by legal immigration.

    Now the floodgates have been opened to legal immigrants and the whole immigration debate has been pretty successfully shut down. All the major political parties are now enthusiastic supporters of mass legal immigration on a scale that defies belief and there is no effective opposition to the policy.

    Focusing on illegal immigration can backfire very very badly.
    , @Anonymous
    The people who control the U.S. don't feel any sort of kinship with it or its people. It's just a place to make money. Their attitude towards immigration is logical once you take this into account. It's like Mongol-run China in the 13/14th centuries, which also had a famously "liberal" immigration policy.
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  122. I recommend Trump and Alt-Right use new terminology as well.
    Such as:

    No habla, no benefits
    You mistake us for Canadians
    I collect guns
    Are you an endangered species yet?
    I love my ancestors
    You look like someone I saw dead near the border
    No soup for you

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    >you look like someone I saw dead near the border
    Wordy and gratuitously mean to the wrong targets. I want to see attacks on the demi-elites Hispanicizing our political system and discourse (like the Californian vote count official from 2016, or that hystrionic idiot congresscritter from Chicago, or Lin-Manuel Miranda's corrupt politician uncle) rather than attacks on some guy who's already getting exploited by scumbags. If it has to be anyone directly involved in the crime then definitely hate the coyotes. But reminding people of mestizos already here -- and elected or appointed to office -- behaving like mestizos over there strikes me as better in every way.
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  123. @Dr. Doom
    I recommend Trump and Alt-Right use new terminology as well.
    Such as:

    No habla, no benefits
    You mistake us for Canadians
    I collect guns
    Are you an endangered species yet?
    I love my ancestors
    You look like someone I saw dead near the border
    No soup for you

    >you look like someone I saw dead near the border
    Wordy and gratuitously mean to the wrong targets. I want to see attacks on the demi-elites Hispanicizing our political system and discourse (like the Californian vote count official from 2016, or that hystrionic idiot congresscritter from Chicago, or Lin-Manuel Miranda’s corrupt politician uncle) rather than attacks on some guy who’s already getting exploited by scumbags. If it has to be anyone directly involved in the crime then definitely hate the coyotes. But reminding people of mestizos already here — and elected or appointed to office — behaving like mestizos over there strikes me as better in every way.

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  124. @Simon in London
    >>No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse<<

    I think we are more worried about a Zimbabwe or South Africa white genocide than a civilisational collapse - SA of course still has some whites and high-ability non-whites in the cities to keep things ticking over.

    As far as I can see, with Diversity things keep ticking along in a decayed state until the Diverse really take over and can start looting the State. This tends to be a sudden step-change due to an election. Also some Diverse like Mexican mesztizos are quite quiet and don't do much, they can be kept under control by a different population group, eg by Conquistadors in Mexico, by Jews in California (arguably Anglo whites fit here too as a controllable group). Other groups like blacks in Detroit or SA have Big Men who will not accept subordinate status, take over and start the looting.
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  125. @unpc downunder
    Even by the liberal standards of other western countries, this is incredibly PC. Australia and New Zealand may be getting swamped with legal Asian immigrants, but even the average liberal New Zealander would be gob-smacked by elite American attitudes to people who aren't even legally allowed to be in their country.

    I've heard some American immigration restrictionists argue that illegal immigration isn't that big an issue compared to legal immigration, but if America can even get reasonably tough on illegal immigration, the low-hanging fruit, how is it ever going to move onto dealing with legal migration and unwanted refugees?

    Until a sea-change occurs in American thinking on illegal immigration, serious immigration restrictionism in the US is a hopeless cause.

    Until a sea-change occurs in American thinking on illegal immigration, serious immigration restrictionism in the US is a hopeless cause.

    You are not paying attention. The sea change has already occurred. The cave by Chuck Shoomer is the latest confirmation of the shift.

    The immigration moratorium is coming. The interesting question is whether citizenship granted before will be revoked.

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  126. @jack ryan
    I never could understand how the most Conservative state in the Union South Carolina keeps re-electing this open borders immigration, Neo Conservative war mongering flaming homosexual lisping Lindsey Graham.

    Until South Carolina pushed their Politically Correct Liberal Indian governess up to New York City to be UN Ambassador where she seems to just represent Israel, South Carolina did not have a heterosexual Southerner in the offices of

    Governor
    US Senators

    What's the matter with South Carolina?

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/03/04/whats-the-matter-with-south-carolina/

    With Lisping Lindsey Graham - it's like South Carolina is fine with electing and re-election Ted Kennedy in drag.

    He’s definitely fey and effeminate, but I don’t think he’s gay.
    OTOH he gives off the child-molester vibe in spades.

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  127. @Maj. Kong
    Right-wing doom mongering is a rhetorical failure.

    Roissy's "Diversity+Proximity=War" is only correct if there is no police state. The West has the most technologically advanced police state that ever existed.

    As bad as many Islam-occupied cities are in Western Europe, there is more violence in US and Latin American cities.

    No European country, or even South Africa, has experienced a USSR or Somalia like collapse. Until a collapse comes, our rhetoric about an existential threat to civilization looks like empty demagougery when filitered through the hostile media and academia.

    The left, by contrast, has a much easier time with their "existential threat" of global warming. The entire journolism-academic complex is behind it. And the "ice-free Arctic" is more likely to happen than France collapsing into Civil War by 2030. (I predict some kind of partition for SA by 2030)

    Right-wing doom mongering is a rhetorical failure.

    I think “white genocide” is one of the most spectacular examples of such a failure. If you use that term you’re going to be dismissed as a nutjob.

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  128. @unpc downunder
    Even by the liberal standards of other western countries, this is incredibly PC. Australia and New Zealand may be getting swamped with legal Asian immigrants, but even the average liberal New Zealander would be gob-smacked by elite American attitudes to people who aren't even legally allowed to be in their country.

    I've heard some American immigration restrictionists argue that illegal immigration isn't that big an issue compared to legal immigration, but if America can even get reasonably tough on illegal immigration, the low-hanging fruit, how is it ever going to move onto dealing with legal migration and unwanted refugees?

    Until a sea-change occurs in American thinking on illegal immigration, serious immigration restrictionism in the US is a hopeless cause.

    I’ve heard some American immigration restrictionists argue that illegal immigration isn’t that big an issue compared to legal immigration, but if America can even get reasonably tough on illegal immigration, the low-hanging fruit, how is it ever going to move onto dealing with legal migration and unwanted refugees?

    You have to be careful. In Australia the get tough policy on illegal immigration was used successfully by the pro-immigration lobby as a smokescreen to distract people’s attention from the policy of demographic replacement by legal immigration.

    Now the floodgates have been opened to legal immigrants and the whole immigration debate has been pretty successfully shut down. All the major political parties are now enthusiastic supporters of mass legal immigration on a scale that defies belief and there is no effective opposition to the policy.

    Focusing on illegal immigration can backfire very very badly.

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  129. @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump.
     
    Who's a Republican? I'm a conservative. Strike that - I'm a traditionalist/reactionary. Anyone else here think the same? The Republican Party means nothing to me. As the 2016 election demonstrated, a lot of the Republican party is, effectively, hostile to us. I mostly vote Republican, but only tactically. They are a vehicle, and I will happily abandon them when a better vehicle comes along. What WE need is a line that is independent of Republicans.

    The Republican Party means nothing to me.

    The Republican Party is the most dangerous enemy of all. Like all the mainstream “conservative” parties in the West it needs to be burnt to the ground.

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  130. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    Perhaps “undocumented American?”

    Here is then-Senator Harry Reid calling them “undocumented Americans”.

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  131. @Maj. Kong
    Blacks don't appear interested in playing the two parties off against each other to achieve gains regardless of who is in power.* They have hitched their wagon to leftist redistributionist policies guaranteed by a permanent left-wing majority, as exists in nearly all of our large cities.

    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.

    Blacks in Selma also just stole a Senate seat for the Dems, by a candidate openly arguing for a mass amnesty.

    *Even leftist New England states have been willing to vote for GOP Senators from time to time, but ambitious black pols today have no interest in following the Colin Powell Rockefeller Republican route.

    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.

    but American blacks hate foreign blacks.

    or as Whiskey might say, they hate hate hate foreign blacks.

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    But they're not very good at putting two and two together.

    They'll think what you said, then they'll watch some TeeVee and forget all about it.
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  132. @3g4me
    @67 Boethiuss: "Yeah, that’s right. And so, that means that as Republicans we have to develop a line that’s independent of Trump. Not opposed necessarily, but we just have to let Trump do his thing and we do ours."

    You may do as you like. Many readers here, however, are NOT repukes. I am not a repuke nor an "independent." I'm alt-right, regardless of whatever term the press or pollsters choose to use. I categorically reject both branches of the uniparty and the moderate middle.

    You may do as you like. Many readers here, however, are NOT repukes. I am not a repuke nor an “independent.” I’m alt-right, regardless of whatever term the press or pollsters choose to use. I categorically reject both branches of the uniparty and the moderate middle.

    Yeah, there’s a lot of you who feel that way, and all of you are shit.

    We need Americans whose mentality and intentions are oriented toward the best interest of Americans. Our fellow Americans need to know that we care about them, that we are invested in their success. We don’t know necessarily the extent of our capabilities or willingness to pour our own resources towards other Americans, but we have to know and they have to know who it is we’re rooting for.

    And in this world, the tangible, legitimate, concrete way to demonstrate that is to support Republicans. You can call yourselves immigration patriots or race realists or whatever. It doesn’t change a single thing.

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    all of you are shit.
     
    Yep, genius, I'm sure you're gonna win a lot of converts to your dinosaur party that way.

    Republicans are the sworn enemies of the American People--just like Democrats.
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  133. @Joe Schmoe


    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.
     
    but American blacks hate foreign blacks.

    or as Whiskey might say, they hate hate hate foreign blacks.

    But they’re not very good at putting two and two together.

    They’ll think what you said, then they’ll watch some TeeVee and forget all about it.

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  134. @Boethiuss

    You may do as you like. Many readers here, however, are NOT repukes. I am not a repuke nor an “independent.” I’m alt-right, regardless of whatever term the press or pollsters choose to use. I categorically reject both branches of the uniparty and the moderate middle.
     
    Yeah, there's a lot of you who feel that way, and all of you are shit.

    We need Americans whose mentality and intentions are oriented toward the best interest of Americans. Our fellow Americans need to know that we care about them, that we are invested in their success. We don't know necessarily the extent of our capabilities or willingness to pour our own resources towards other Americans, but we have to know and they have to know who it is we're rooting for.

    And in this world, the tangible, legitimate, concrete way to demonstrate that is to support Republicans. You can call yourselves immigration patriots or race realists or whatever. It doesn't change a single thing.

    all of you are shit.

    Yep, genius, I’m sure you’re gonna win a lot of converts to your dinosaur party that way.

    Republicans are the sworn enemies of the American People–just like Democrats.

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    Republicans are the sworn enemies of the American People–just like Democrats.
     
    Lol. We are the American people. You, may or may not be.
    , @Mr. Anon

    @Boethiuss

    all of you are shit.
     
    Yep, genius, I’m sure you’re gonna win a lot of converts to your dinosaur party that way.
     
    Anybody who has chosen the screen handle "Boethiuss" hasn't thought things through very well. Nor even bothered to learn how to spell his nom-de-plume.
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  135. @Anonymous

    all of you are shit.
     
    Yep, genius, I'm sure you're gonna win a lot of converts to your dinosaur party that way.

    Republicans are the sworn enemies of the American People--just like Democrats.

    Republicans are the sworn enemies of the American People–just like Democrats.

    Lol. We are the American people. You, may or may not be.

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  136. @Anonymous

    all of you are shit.
     
    Yep, genius, I'm sure you're gonna win a lot of converts to your dinosaur party that way.

    Republicans are the sworn enemies of the American People--just like Democrats.

    all of you are shit.

    Yep, genius, I’m sure you’re gonna win a lot of converts to your dinosaur party that way.

    Anybody who has chosen the screen handle “Boethiuss” hasn’t thought things through very well. Nor even bothered to learn how to spell his nom-de-plume.

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  137. @JollyOldSoul
    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that...The countries of origin are supposedly not safe

    What's that you say, Washington Post? Are you saying that these countries are...shitholes?

    The WaPo and other outlets will quickly be dissecting that one on the grounds that…The countries of origin are supposedly not safe

    What’s that you say, Washington Post? Are you saying that these countries are…shitholes?

    oh please, pretty much any place is safer than Chicago.

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  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Blacks don't appear interested in playing the two parties off against each other to achieve gains regardless of who is in power.* They have hitched their wagon to leftist redistributionist policies guaranteed by a permanent left-wing majority, as exists in nearly all of our large cities.

    The recent Haiti shithole incident has given a reminder that there are black illegals. That provides all the cover the Dem pols need to keep any Blacks of the Blue Dog variety on their side.

    Blacks in Selma also just stole a Senate seat for the Dems, by a candidate openly arguing for a mass amnesty.

    *Even leftist New England states have been willing to vote for GOP Senators from time to time, but ambitious black pols today have no interest in following the Colin Powell Rockefeller Republican route.

    A casual gander over Unz comments would be swift to discourage any minority from supporting any right-wing goals. I mean, imagine if you are a black family man, do you want to be told to that segregation is the way forward and that you should be willing to accept being evicted from the country?

    Its not reasonable to except people to actively seek their own self-destruction. At least the leftists are nicer in language.

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  139. Interestingly, Schumer means “good for nothing, vagabond”

    https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=schumer

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  140. Why and how does a professor in the department of education specialise in immigration? The education of migrants, perhaps (they arguably have distinctly identifiable challenges being educated), but immigration per se? Seems like a professor of law who specializes in Baroque musical compositions, or a professor of musicology who specializes in criminal procedure? No?

    Bunch of horse-shit.

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  141. @syonredux

    Define American has run a campaign, “Words Matter,” that asks news organizations to commit to dropping what Vargas calls “dehumanizing” phrases, such as “illegal immigrant.”
     
    In my lifetime, we've gone from "illegal alien," to "illegal immigrant," to "undocumented immigrant." Bit curious as to what comes next. Perhaps "undocumented American?"

    Charley Pride summed up this stupid goalpost-moving succinctly: it’s a silly game that benefits not even those it patronises.

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  142. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    Even by the liberal standards of other western countries, this is incredibly PC. Australia and New Zealand may be getting swamped with legal Asian immigrants, but even the average liberal New Zealander would be gob-smacked by elite American attitudes to people who aren't even legally allowed to be in their country.

    I've heard some American immigration restrictionists argue that illegal immigration isn't that big an issue compared to legal immigration, but if America can even get reasonably tough on illegal immigration, the low-hanging fruit, how is it ever going to move onto dealing with legal migration and unwanted refugees?

    Until a sea-change occurs in American thinking on illegal immigration, serious immigration restrictionism in the US is a hopeless cause.

    The people who control the U.S. don’t feel any sort of kinship with it or its people. It’s just a place to make money. Their attitude towards immigration is logical once you take this into account. It’s like Mongol-run China in the 13/14th centuries, which also had a famously “liberal” immigration policy.

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  143. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/951258218910633984

    Kinda like I don’t get my information about autism from a former Playboy centerfold, I don’t get my political information from a Jew/Mormon hybrid tramp who had an abortion when she was 16.

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