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From the Washington Post’s aptly named column “The Fix” last Tuesday

Can we just stop talking about Hillary Clinton’s health now?

By Chris Cillizza September 6

… Led by Drudge, there have been questions circulating in the conservative media — and among Trump surrogates like Rudy Giuliani — that “something” is wrong with Clinton for months. Much of that speculation ties back to an episode in late 2012 in which Clinton caught a stomach virus, fell, suffered a concussion and was then hospitalized due to a blood clot. A certain sector of conservatives were convinced that more was going on with her health than ever became public and that this was yet another example of the Clintons hiding things from the public.

“Diagnoses” have run everywhere from a severe thyroid problem to traumatic brain injury to dysphasia. (That last one comes courtesy of Trump national spokeswoman Katrina Pierson, who, in case you were wondering, is not a doctor.)

And, of course, Trump sounded off on the whole thing Tuesday via Twitter.

Follow
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Mainstream media never covered Hillary’s massive “hacking”
or coughing attack, yet it is #1 trending. What’s up?
8:31 AM – 6 Sep 2016
14,354 14,354 Retweets 36,699 36,699 likes

Here’s the thing: This is a totally ridiculous issue — for lots of reasons — and one that if Trump or his Republican surrogates continue to focus on is a surefire loser in the fall. …

So, to believe that something is seriously wrong with Clinton, you have to a) assume her doctor lied and b) that her coughing, which often happens when someone catches a cold or spends a lot of time speaking publicly, is a symptom of her deeper, hidden illness.

That seems, um, unlikely to me? Beyond the Clinton conspiracy theorists who believe she had something to do with Vince Foster’s death and that she was secretly responsible for everything from Y2K to the SpaceX explosion last week, it’s hard to plausibly insist, based on the available data, that Clinton is ill. There’s the doctor’s note, plus she keeps a very rigorous schedule for a 68-year-old — traveling all over the country to raise money and campaign. (For the past month, she’s done a lot more raising money than campaigning.) …

The simple fact is that there is zero evidence that anything is seriously wrong with Clinton. If suffering an occasional coughing fit is evidence of a major health problem, then 75 percent of the country must have that mystery illness. And I am one of them.

What Trump cannot — or, at least, should not — do is continue to engage with these wacky theories that emerge out of the fever swamps on the very fringe of the conservative movement. Every single person who believes in the Clinton health conspiracy is already for Trump. What he needs to do is find ways to reach voters who have doubts about him but may carry even graver doubts about Clinton’s ability to do the job in an honest and transparent way.

Clinton’s botched handling of her private email server, the questions raised by the Clinton Foundation’s foreign donors — these are ripe issues for Trump to make a case against Clinton. Every second he or his surrogates spend talking about Clinton’s health is a lost moment for his campaign. And with 63 days left until the election, he simply can’t afford that.

Chris Cillizza writes “The Fix,” a politics blog for the Washington Post. He also covers the White House. Follow @thefix

Noticing is deplorable.

By the way, wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th? She took most of August off, except for the weird alt-right speech, but when she re-emerged on Labor Day, she had a disastrous first week on the trail:

Monday: Two coughing attacks during her big speech and her first quasi-press conference

Friday: “Basket of Deplorables”

Sunday: Physical collapse

The media was going on and on about how the media was giving too much attention to Trump, but when Hillary finally elbowed her way into the spotlight, she had a remarkably bad 7 days. She should just vanish and have her surrogates try to lure Trump into giving his opinion of Mother Theresa’s beatification or whatever.

 
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  1. Here is Cillizza’s article from today:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/11/hillary-clintons-health-just-became-a-real-issue-in-the-presidential-campaign/

    I guess it’s not a conspiracy theory now that the WaPo says it’s not. It’s good to have the megaphone.

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  2. Contrast Hillary’s schedule with Trump’s:

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule

    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

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    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    No tobacco or alcohol products. Also, he's used to the stress of running his own business. He's known to work up to 16-18hrs per day. He only sleeps about 4-5hrs per night.
    , @Jack Highlands
    That's nothing. Hillary schmoozed at eight Hamptons mansions, feted by four senescent rock stars, in three days.
    , @newyorker
    His superpower is that he transforms the adulation he gets in his rallies into something akin to the fountain of youth- so powerful that it defies death and sickness. It's a positive feedback loop really. The crowds are invigorated by Trump's violation of taboos and they unwittingly provide him with a weird energy that enables him to keep going. Like Dracula thriving on his victims' blood, so Trump thrives on his followers' adulation.
    It's like we're witnessing something supernatural when I'm wearing my tinfoil hat. But I've always believed he is the incarnation of the mythical Trickster, like Bugs Bunny and Satan.
    Hillary lacks this power. Poor woman, her body is betraying her just when the prize is in sight.
    , @The most deplorable one
    It's his white, male, heterosexual, heteronormative privilege that allows him to do that.

    He needs to check his privilege!
    , @AnotherDad

    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!
     
    Melania.

    When the woman who crawls into bed with you is 24 years your junior and an ex-model ... it's gotta help.
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  3. Clinton’s botched handling of her private email server, the questions raised by the Clinton Foundation’s foreign donors — these are ripe issues for Trump to make a case against Clinton. Every second he or his surrogates spend talking about Clinton’s health is a lost moment for his campaign.

    Her health must be a very big problem if the MSM is willing to deflect us toward the emails and the Foundation!

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  4. I hate to say it, but Rod Dreher has an amazing post on this at TAC. He lists a theory by a doctor that seems to describe exactly what’s wrong with Clinton.

    “In my experience as a physician – this can happen at any time – however – it typically and often happens at times of great stress. Cardiac arrhthymias can be very easy to control – or very difficult to control. However – this has often meant “retirement” for my business executive patients down the years – the syncopal events can simply happen at very inopportune times and cause all kinds of havoc for the person and his/her company. This is NOT the type of thing that I would want my President to have during a very stressful time.”

    “Something else of concern that has been running through my mind since I saw that tape is yet another diagnosis that I neglected to put in the initial discussion. This is EXACTLY how people will react if they have an implantable defibrillator and it fires. This would be the same as having the big paddles put on you in the ER – and shocked.”

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/how-sick-is-hillary/

    Remember that speech Clinton gave where there was a protester and she acted VERY scared, just before that weird black guy rushed to her side to calm her down? Well…what if she was afraid that the fright from the protester might induce another cardiac episode, this time in public?

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    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    Thomas Wictor wrote in his blog on August 8 that he could see she wore a defibrillator under her clothes.

    http://www.thomaswictor.com/us-presidential-election/

    Go to the last item of that post for the pictures.
    Wictor claims this is why she wears the clothing she wears - to hide it.
    , @Lugash
    This guy is way too fat to be a Secret Service agent. Or, at least one that's not protected because he's a Clinton stooge. He doesn't seem to be wearing a bullet proof vest, and he's not positioning himself to protect her from danger.

    And then there's the white guy on the right side of the video with his mystery medicine that he takes out of his suit pocket, then puts into his shirt pocket.

    Hillary does deliver a fair zinger about Trumps sons and hunting though.
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  5. Now it will be: Clinton has pneumonia so can we just stop talking about her health now?

    After the next “medical episode” it will be: Clinton had a reaction to the medication she’s taking for her pneumonia so can we just stop talking about her health now?

    Etc., etc., etc.

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    • Replies: @David In TN
    I expect we will see her "health issues" made into a virtue. "Look how courageous Hillary is!"
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  6. “wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th?”

    That’s an awful big risk, Steve. The first day (night) she emerges would be on live TV, in front of about 100 million viewers. Anything, like say, repeated coughing fits, sudden jerky movements, having to abruptly leave to go to the bathroom, etc. would be badly interpreted. Couldn’t really spin or explain those things away.

    AND….if she were to say, fall down or sway back and forth while gripping the podium and its noticeably apparent that she’s having difficulty in maintaing her balance? How would that look in front of the whole world? First day back and she falls down/

    100 million viewers, and with constant tweeting and facebook posts. On live television. Makes Al Gore’s sighs totally forgettable and those sighs perhaps cost him hundreds of thousands of votes. How many votes would she lose if she fell down? Or coughed for repeated amounts of time? On live television.

    Awfully big risk.

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    • Replies: @Boethiuss
    "Awfully big risk."

    Maybe. A much bigger risk is Hillary withdrawing. If Hillary can get out anywhere reasonably clean, I think the Democrats walk the election. You have everything the Democrats have going for them now, plus the removal of the Clinton unfavorability albatross, plus probably some sympathy support besides, I don't see Trump being anywhere close in that situation.

    The best thing Trump has is that it might be easier to persuade Stalin to resign than for Hillary to give up the nomination. And starting say, two, three weeks from now, they might not be able to pull it off anyway.

    But if things are as bad as people have speculated here, you figure somebody might try.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Anything, like say, repeated coughing fits, sudden jerky movements, having to abruptly leave to go to the bathroom, etc. would be badly interpreted.
     
    No, it will be appropriately curated, interpreted and tucked away lest our republic fall into evil hands.
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  7. The simple fact is that there is zero evidence that anything is seriously wrong with Clinton.

    Bingo.

    And the DNC and UniParty intend to keep it that way. Any mediabot who dissents will never work in Bartertown again. (Bust a deal, face the wheel. Oh look! Gulag!)

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    • Replies: @Forbes
    Says the reporter who points out that others weighing in with questions aren't physicians. Irony knows no bounds.
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  8. @res
    Contrast Hillary's schedule with Trump's:
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule
    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

    No tobacco or alcohol products. Also, he’s used to the stress of running his own business. He’s known to work up to 16-18hrs per day. He only sleeps about 4-5hrs per night.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania.
    , @Glossy
    Also good genes - he's a son of a self-made multimillionaire and the kind of woman who can beat the others for the prize of marrying one.
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  9. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    No tobacco or alcohol products. Also, he's used to the stress of running his own business. He's known to work up to 16-18hrs per day. He only sleeps about 4-5hrs per night.

    Hypomania.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    I might have this, I tend to sleep 5-6 hours a day on weekdays, especially in the summer.
    , @Randal

    Hypomania.
     
    Or maybe he just has the "Thatcher Gene".

    On reflection, though, considering the wider behavioural aspects (as described by Wikipedia, anyway), hypomania does seem to fit Trump well.
    , @candid_observer
    Yeah, I think Trump's like the Teddy Roosevelt of our day.

    Bill Clinton, before his heart troubles, also seemed to have a good deal of hypomania. Too much of it, though, went to the wrong head.

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  10. @res
    Contrast Hillary's schedule with Trump's:
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule
    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

    That’s nothing. Hillary schmoozed at eight Hamptons mansions, feted by four senescent rock stars, in three days.

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  11. @Divine Right
    I hate to say it, but Rod Dreher has an amazing post on this at TAC. He lists a theory by a doctor that seems to describe exactly what's wrong with Clinton.

    "In my experience as a physician – this can happen at any time – however – it typically and often happens at times of great stress. Cardiac arrhthymias can be very easy to control – or very difficult to control. However – this has often meant “retirement” for my business executive patients down the years – the syncopal events can simply happen at very inopportune times and cause all kinds of havoc for the person and his/her company. This is NOT the type of thing that I would want my President to have during a very stressful time."

    ...

    "Something else of concern that has been running through my mind since I saw that tape is yet another diagnosis that I neglected to put in the initial discussion. This is EXACTLY how people will react if they have an implantable defibrillator and it fires. This would be the same as having the big paddles put on you in the ER – and shocked."

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/how-sick-is-hillary/

    Remember that speech Clinton gave where there was a protester and she acted VERY scared, just before that weird black guy rushed to her side to calm her down? Well...what if she was afraid that the fright from the protester might induce another cardiac episode, this time in public?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azUpfzDNxpw

    Thomas Wictor wrote in his blog on August 8 that he could see she wore a defibrillator under her clothes.

    http://www.thomaswictor.com/us-presidential-election/

    Go to the last item of that post for the pictures.
    Wictor claims this is why she wears the clothing she wears – to hide it.

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  12. That poor reporter guy got called out by lots of people in Twitter for making McCain’s health an issue a few years ago.

    Not that I like reporters, but really, at this point I feel sorry for them. They’re like professors of Marxist-Leninist economics in 1990. Buggy whip makers in 1920.

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  13. “That seems, um, unlikely to me?”

    That is not the sort of sentence you write when something seems unlikely to you. I realize he’s going for a light style, and I assume this valley-girl talk was meant to indicate how unseriously he takes it. But that really ought to be declarative. Don’t put a question mark at the end of the main argument of your article.

    By the way? Was this actually published? (I know it’s by an actual journalist, because the paragraphs were laid out in no particular order, and I felt like the writer expected me to stop reading after every single sentence.) “Um” and all? What’s the matter with newspapers? This writer is a juvenile hack?

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  14. The only image for the Clinton campaign worst than her going all syncopal on the debate stage is her going syncopal and Trump rushing to catch her, doing so, lowering her to the ground, and calling for help.

    That is the election right there, folks, if that happens.

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    And she looks into his eyes and cries,"Its you, Donnie,its always been you!"
    , @newyorker
    His superpower is that he transforms the adulation he gets in his rallies into something akin to the fountain of youth- so powerful that it defies death and sickness. It's a positive feedback loop really. The crowds are invigorated by Trump's violation of taboos and they unwittingly provide him with a weird energy that enables him to keep going. Like Dracula thriving on his victims' blood, so Trump thrives on his followers' adulation.
    It's like we're witnessing something supernatural when I'm wearing my tinfoil hat. But I've always believed he is the incarnation of the mythical Trickster, like Bugs Bunny and Satan.
    Hillary lacks this power. Poor woman, her body is betraying her just when the prize is in sight.
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  15. Crooked Hildabeast coughs more than an AIDS patient.

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  16. OT: but on the similar topic of “things that we have stopped talking about”:

    Whatever happend to left-wing critiques of television? I remember in the 80s, people on the left were always talking about the pernicious influence of television. There were books like Neal Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death, a fairly influential book when it came out in 1985. Then there were all the “Kill Your Television” bumper-stickers, and the endless critiques of “If it bleeds, it leads” local news broadcasts. Even Don Henley got in on it with his song Dirty Laundry.

    But nowadays, polite, middle-brow liberal opinion seems to think that TV is just swell. NPR, Slate, Huffington, etc. are always going on about the latest shows – Game of Thrones, Mad Men, etc. Tuning into Dallas every week, and caring about the character arc of JR Ewing made you a square and a philistine, but binge-watching Mad Men, and caring about the character arc of Don Draper makes you a hip sophisticate.

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV, and any notion that it might be a corrosive influence on society has been seemingly discarded.

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    • Replies: @Lot
    Television watching is much lower than it used to be.
    , @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Remember when lefties used to talk about overpopulation? I wonder what changed ... ?
    , @Mr. Anon
    That isn't the point.
    , @bomag

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV...
     
    That's probably it right there.

    Libs were uncomfortable with the morality in Gunsmoke and The Wonder Years, but now that they can use the medium to push feminism, the Gay lifestyle, and XYZ rights, it is cool.
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  17. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th?"

    That's an awful big risk, Steve. The first day (night) she emerges would be on live TV, in front of about 100 million viewers. Anything, like say, repeated coughing fits, sudden jerky movements, having to abruptly leave to go to the bathroom, etc. would be badly interpreted. Couldn't really spin or explain those things away.

    AND….if she were to say, fall down or sway back and forth while gripping the podium and its noticeably apparent that she's having difficulty in maintaing her balance? How would that look in front of the whole world? First day back and she falls down/

    100 million viewers, and with constant tweeting and facebook posts. On live television. Makes Al Gore's sighs totally forgettable and those sighs perhaps cost him hundreds of thousands of votes. How many votes would she lose if she fell down? Or coughed for repeated amounts of time? On live television.

    Awfully big risk.

    “Awfully big risk.”

    Maybe. A much bigger risk is Hillary withdrawing. If Hillary can get out anywhere reasonably clean, I think the Democrats walk the election. You have everything the Democrats have going for them now, plus the removal of the Clinton unfavorability albatross, plus probably some sympathy support besides, I don’t see Trump being anywhere close in that situation.

    The best thing Trump has is that it might be easier to persuade Stalin to resign than for Hillary to give up the nomination. And starting say, two, three weeks from now, they might not be able to pull it off anyway.

    But if things are as bad as people have speculated here, you figure somebody might try.

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  18. I wouldn’t get worked up about all this. She’s still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    He still gets at least one SCOTUS appointment.
    , @scrivener3
    I don;t know about that. Obama has made the Presidency the most powerful office in the world. Trump could just stop enforcing civil rights laws, or or announce that the income tax laws will hereafter only be enforced up to 20% of adjusted gross income.
    , @415 reasons
    But it's still completely hilarious to watch the media sputter and grope for an angle where Hillary somehow doesn't look worse than Nixon with the obvious, repeated lies about critical points of contention. And after every new round of shoveling her shit, something even more dramatic happens to blow up the house of cards they just built. At this rate, she'll die of a brain hemorrhage live in front of 100 million people during the first debate.
    , @Daniel Williams

    I wouldn’t get worked up about all this. She’s still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.
     
    I take it Reiner Eeyore was already claimed as a handle? But seriously, I'm just funning you. MAGA!
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  19. No we can’t stop talking about her health.

    Look here’s the thing if anyone else say your family member or friend collapsed in front of you the way Hillary did, you’d call 911 and have them taken to a ER, you would not take them home.

    Hillary didn’t do this, they threw her in her medi-ride van like a sack of potatoes and disappeared for two hours. Guess what they told the press they were not allowed to follow. Excuse me, when the f**k does a private individual get off telling the press it can’t cover them?

    They can’t, but the press is so docile they’ll do whatever Hillary tells them to do.

    That said, any doctor or nurse worth their salt would freak if their saw their patient collapse like Hillary and call 911. This is medicine gone bad, very bad.

    BTW reviewing the video, I think she had a seizure. Initially she looked stiff as a board then collapsed.

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  21. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th?"

    That's an awful big risk, Steve. The first day (night) she emerges would be on live TV, in front of about 100 million viewers. Anything, like say, repeated coughing fits, sudden jerky movements, having to abruptly leave to go to the bathroom, etc. would be badly interpreted. Couldn't really spin or explain those things away.

    AND….if she were to say, fall down or sway back and forth while gripping the podium and its noticeably apparent that she's having difficulty in maintaing her balance? How would that look in front of the whole world? First day back and she falls down/

    100 million viewers, and with constant tweeting and facebook posts. On live television. Makes Al Gore's sighs totally forgettable and those sighs perhaps cost him hundreds of thousands of votes. How many votes would she lose if she fell down? Or coughed for repeated amounts of time? On live television.

    Awfully big risk.

    Anything, like say, repeated coughing fits, sudden jerky movements, having to abruptly leave to go to the bathroom, etc. would be badly interpreted.

    No, it will be appropriately curated, interpreted and tucked away lest our republic fall into evil hands.

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  22. As much as I loath Donald Trump and all that he stands for, I would actually prefer him to be President than Hillary. Hillary is a severe case of sociopathy. She is morally above psychopathy, but only just. The only reason why I don’t flat out accuse her of being a psychopath is because psychos have difficulty controlling their intense lust for perversions for long. Since so far no story has come out about a secret room where Hillary keeps live babies in vats just to torture them, or that she has assassinated her political rivals with exotic radioactive elements, or framed them for murder or some insanely over-the-top sick shit, I will just put her in the sociopath category.

    This is a woman who has lied under oath several times. She has purposefully deleted state-held information that was compromising to her but valuable to the State – clearly indicating her self-serving nature and lack of selfless, altruistic tendencies. She coldly and calculating made a deal with her cheating husband to tolerate his sexual escapes in turn of his political support, revealing not only greed and ruthlessness on the level of a sociopath, but also her pettiness as a human being and lack of self-respect as a woman.

    As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger’s Disease, a progressive degeneration of the white myelinated matter that surrounds the cerebral cortex. This is usually caused by multiple hemorragic strokes to the tiny blood vessels of that area. Hillary’s symptoms of impaired coordination, gait, fixed pupils and sudden freezes of her musculature fit Binswanger’s Disease to a T. Usually, it is caused by chronic high blood pressure due to consistently being angry, or due to amphetamine abuse – which increases sytolic blood pressure by being sympathomimetics.

    It is pretty obvious that Hillary, being a ruthlessly ambitious woman who has endured a great deal of frustration in her life, such as having to put up with Bill’s cheating and losing the nomination to Obama simply because he is black, has severely affected her health.

    The interesting thing about BD is that it does not affect general intelligence, as the grey matter of the frontal lobes is not affected, and is very well-nourished by it’s own supply of blood. However, several areas of the brain are affected, as well as the ability to integrate information wit emotion, which is one of the functions of white matter. People with BD have their logical and abstract thinking unaffected, but they become more erratic, less emotive but at the same time more impulsive, with poor judgement and with decreased ability to put their own emotions in context.

    Hillary is still relatively young to be suffering from Alzheimer’s. Besides, her reasoning skills and memory do not fit the diagnosis of someone with dementia. Her symptoms are mostly motor, which indicated compromised functioning of her myelinated nerves.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Is this the same Nick Diaz?
    , @Clyde
    The first sane comment from Nick Diaz. You are making progress brother! Trump|Pence|Fence2016
    , @Mr. Anon
    "As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger's Disease,......"

    Yeah, yeah. On the internet, everyone is a doctor.

    I have no idea what is wrong with Hillary. However, it seems safe to say that there is indeed something wrong with her.
    , @JSM
    Welcome to the Dark Side of the Enlightment, Nick. Once you calm down you'll find the
    water's fine.
    , @Ron Mexico
    Whoa! is there a second unrelated Nick Diaz posting here?
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  23. @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania.

    I might have this, I tend to sleep 5-6 hours a day on weekdays, especially in the summer.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    Me too, but I'm constantly sleepy.
    , @The Only Catholic Unionist
    If you are able to sleep in (e.g., on weekends), you almost certainly don't have it.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania is a good thing to have: Teddy Roosevelt had it.
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  24. I’m not sure that that the focus on Hillary’s health will help Trump in the end. She’ll probably look fine in the first debate, which will be a positive with him raising expectations of her being tired or sickly.

    Maybe the president is special, but voters routine elect decrepit 80 and 90 year olds to the Senate.

    The best issue for Trump is crime. He should be accusing Hillary of siding with criminals over the police and put her in the no-win situation of endorsing or disavowing BLM.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    It was wise for him to have stayed silent on yesterday's events.
    , @The Only Catholic Unionist
    No question. Her debate preppers will have her so full of snarky, focus-group tested retorts to a mention of her health, that if he studiously avoids the issue, she'll probably not only be distracted, but eventually blurt out one of them out of the blue, at which point he can step in, "Well, now that you mention it ..."
    , @Ed
    Agreed. He has to subtly bring up the specter of society declining to the black standard. Clinton's health doesn't help him much. She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly. She limps along she gets sympathy.
    , @guest
    Trump is staying pretty quiet about her health, not hammering it. So it wouldn't be him raising expectations of her falling apart at the debates. But you're right, anything short of Hillary projectile vomiting blood will be perceived as debunking health-related conspiracy theories by the MSM.
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  25. Does this mean that the ability to open a pickle jar is not absolute proof that someone is 100% healthy?

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    How do we know the pickle jar hadn't already been opened?
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  26. Clearly, Hillary is part of that Dying White Majority.

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    "Clearly, Hillary is part of that Dying White Majority."

    Crooked Hildabeast is older than the nation of Israel.

    Anybody who was born before the creation of Israel that decides to run for POTUS should have to release their health records before officially filing to run.
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  27. @Lot
    I might have this, I tend to sleep 5-6 hours a day on weekdays, especially in the summer.

    Me too, but I’m constantly sleepy.

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    I might have this, I tend to sleep 5-6 hours a day on weekdays, especially in the summer.

    If you are able to sleep in (e.g., on weekends), you almost certainly don’t have it.

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  29. @Lot
    I'm not sure that that the focus on Hillary's health will help Trump in the end. She'll probably look fine in the first debate, which will be a positive with him raising expectations of her being tired or sickly.

    Maybe the president is special, but voters routine elect decrepit 80 and 90 year olds to the Senate.

    The best issue for Trump is crime. He should be accusing Hillary of siding with criminals over the police and put her in the no-win situation of endorsing or disavowing BLM.

    It was wise for him to have stayed silent on yesterday’s events.

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  30. @Divine Right
    I hate to say it, but Rod Dreher has an amazing post on this at TAC. He lists a theory by a doctor that seems to describe exactly what's wrong with Clinton.

    "In my experience as a physician – this can happen at any time – however – it typically and often happens at times of great stress. Cardiac arrhthymias can be very easy to control – or very difficult to control. However – this has often meant “retirement” for my business executive patients down the years – the syncopal events can simply happen at very inopportune times and cause all kinds of havoc for the person and his/her company. This is NOT the type of thing that I would want my President to have during a very stressful time."

    ...

    "Something else of concern that has been running through my mind since I saw that tape is yet another diagnosis that I neglected to put in the initial discussion. This is EXACTLY how people will react if they have an implantable defibrillator and it fires. This would be the same as having the big paddles put on you in the ER – and shocked."

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/how-sick-is-hillary/

    Remember that speech Clinton gave where there was a protester and she acted VERY scared, just before that weird black guy rushed to her side to calm her down? Well...what if she was afraid that the fright from the protester might induce another cardiac episode, this time in public?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azUpfzDNxpw

    This guy is way too fat to be a Secret Service agent. Or, at least one that’s not protected because he’s a Clinton stooge. He doesn’t seem to be wearing a bullet proof vest, and he’s not positioning himself to protect her from danger.

    And then there’s the white guy on the right side of the video with his mystery medicine that he takes out of his suit pocket, then puts into his shirt pocket.

    Hillary does deliver a fair zinger about Trumps sons and hunting though.

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    Hillary does deliver a fair zinger about Trumps sons and hunting though.

     

    Just a cheap shot, like the whole speech. Sportsman are good stewards of wildlife, especially compared to the increased urbanization and habitat erasure one gets with Hillary's policies.

    And its laughable to bring up Trump's business miscues while the gov't. Hillary wants to expand destroys wealth on a scale so large it can only be seen from orbit.
    , @rod1963
    He's a medical assistant.

    He first showed up at Bill Clinton's side right after he had his open heart surgery and was at his side for many months thereafter in case things went side-ways for the ex-prez.

    The fact he is not far from Hillary's side when in public is a indication she is quite sick. The only other public figure that has a minder like this is Gabby Giffords.
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  31. @Lot
    I'm not sure that that the focus on Hillary's health will help Trump in the end. She'll probably look fine in the first debate, which will be a positive with him raising expectations of her being tired or sickly.

    Maybe the president is special, but voters routine elect decrepit 80 and 90 year olds to the Senate.

    The best issue for Trump is crime. He should be accusing Hillary of siding with criminals over the police and put her in the no-win situation of endorsing or disavowing BLM.

    No question. Her debate preppers will have her so full of snarky, focus-group tested retorts to a mention of her health, that if he studiously avoids the issue, she’ll probably not only be distracted, but eventually blurt out one of them out of the blue, at which point he can step in, “Well, now that you mention it …”

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  32. @Lot
    I might have this, I tend to sleep 5-6 hours a day on weekdays, especially in the summer.

    Hypomania is a good thing to have: Teddy Roosevelt had it.

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    It's 5am been up for 3 hours already...
    , @guest
    Teddy Roosevelt was not a good thing.

    But he was probably healthy.
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  33. @Cernovich caught that Hillary has been having public fainting spells as far back as 2005: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/31/clinton/ She’s been on Coumadin since 1998. There’s no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.

    I can’t see Hillary dropping out, assuming that the key determining factor is whether she personally chooses to or not. She’s nakedly wanted to be President her entire life. The early 1992 Clinton campaign floated the slogan “two for the price of one.” She’s gone from Wellesley and Yale Law and the start of a promising career in her late 20s in Washington to having to suffer the indignities of marriage to Bill, following him to spend almost two decades in Arkansas, never being a favorite of the press until she was the last thing standing between them and the Donald, being beaten by a first-term Senator who came out of nowhere and then having to accept serving as his subordinate, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if she were to admit that she’d rather die on the campaign trail than finally flick all of that in to end up as a historical footnote. What else does she have in her life? In a way, she’s something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it.

    In this sense, one could call the press Hillary enablers in more ways than one: they may be allowing a woman to kill herself, in front of a national audience, rather than say aloud what is becoming increasingly obvious.

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    Indeed, for Hillary Clinton, a bad death would be one in which her Wikipedia page mentioned that she was "First Lady of the United States" rather than "45th President of the United States, having previously been First Lady while her husband Bill Clinton was 42nd President of the United States." It frankly doesn't matter to her if her mandate turns out to be as disastrous as Isabel Peron's (which if she wins it most certainly will): her eye is on the Big Apple Pie and in her mind, nothing is going to get in her way.
    , @Nico

    There’s no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.
     
    As early as 2012 I remember mainstream press speculations about 2016 suggesting that Clinton would not medically be up to the task in view of the treatment(s) she was then undergoing. Such speculations seem to have disappeared entirely once her official candidacy was announced but of course IMPOSSIBLE that the press is shilling for Clinton, I mean IMPOSSIBLE.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "What else does she have in her life? In a way, she’s something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it."

    Well said. You sure got that right.
    , @SPMoore8
    She’s been on Coumadin since 1998.

    She's been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me. Not to offend anyone with heart disease or congestive heart disease, but, let's face it, this is a relevant data point when we are talking about electing someone pushing 70 to be POTUS who has been having heart issues for almost 20 years.
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  34. @Simon in London
    Clearly, Hillary is part of that Dying White Majority.

    “Clearly, Hillary is part of that Dying White Majority.”

    Crooked Hildabeast is older than the nation of Israel.

    Anybody who was born before the creation of Israel that decides to run for POTUS should have to release their health records before officially filing to run.

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  35. It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse. My prediction: they are evil for talking about it because she is elderly, and these sorts of things just happen to the elderly.

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a “woman thing”: she is of course post-menopausal, but I wouldn’t bet that they won’t try that ploy.

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of “Don’t Dump Hillary!”, since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

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    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a “woman thing”

    I speculated yesterday morning that it might have been the vapors.

    , @Tex

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of “Don’t Dump Hillary!”, since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.
     
    LOL. I was thinking the same thing. What's intriguing is the rumor floated by David Schuster that the DNC was looking for options to dump her. Replacing her with someone less ill and more charismatic (assuming you can get both) is still a risky move at this stage. Trying to replace her and failing would be a disaster for the Dems. I'm guessing they'll sit tight and sweat it out, but if Hillary is elected it'll be in spite of herself.
    , @Daniel Williams

    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse.
     
    Don't worry. They're on it:

    It's easy to understand why the Clinton campaign would want to keep this kind of news a secret. The candidate doesn't trust the media. The right has been hitting her over supposed health issues for months (and even years), and the assault has picked up in intensity over the past week or so — since Clinton found herself in the midst of an extended coughing fit at a campaign event in Cleveland. Then there's the gender dynamic.
     
    http://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health
    , @guest
    She already said people are questioning her health because she's a woman, whatever that means. So it's a short step.
    , @ogunsiron
    I have seen feminists do exactly that on twitter. According to them, Hillary's health problems are just normal health issues for older women and that we think there's a problem proves that the voice of old witches is unfairly suppressed in the media. Basically "older women's bodies are frail, real, authentic human bodies that (insert bodily function) and that's beautiful and you're a sexist for demanding toxic masculine strength and that's ageist etc ".

    You won't be be surprised to learn that nutty feminists also push the narrative that to older women' bodies are not any more fragile than anyone else's and that it's sexist and ageist to think that Hillary is anything other than a strong, tough as nails leader who personifies an "absolute, rock solid steadiness".
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    The fact of the matter is, the video clearly shows she didn't "stumble." She completely lost her ability to walk or stand. Her legs turned to jello, and she was dragged into the van like a rag doll.

    The more news organizations attempt to redraw what can be watched over and over on a video, the less confidence the public will have in that new organization's favored candidate. If any news organization is undermining national security with it's draconian politics, it's CNN.

    They say families in denial self-destruct. The same goes for political parties.
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  37. Not a Dr but the language sounds plausible – there’s a video version (with best-of Hillary illness moments, some I hadn’t seen before) along with the text:

    https://firstlightforum.wordpress.com/2016/09/11/crooked-seizure-bitch-hillary-has-1-year-to-live-says-medical-school-professor

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  39. I was sceptical about the neuro ailment, but the latest video from the 4 o’clock angle is gruesome.
    Also strange is Hillary emerging fresh as a daisy (with pneumonia) to announce that she is fine. Why not take a day or two off if there’s nothing to hide.
    As some said earlier, it’s starting to get tragic.

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    The flu can make you feel like you've been run over by a truck. I would think that pneumonia would make you feel worse than that. No one with recently diagnosed pneumonia would be out in public instead of in bed, would they?
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  40. Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.

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    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.
     
    Looking forward to the "I'm For Zombie Hillary" t-shirts.
    , @antipater_1
    If Crooked Hillary died, the Soviet media would claim that she is just resting.
    , @NOTA
    If Trunp drops dead from a heart attack tomorrow, who will you vote for? A big chunk of voters votes for the party rather than the candidate; another big chunk (especially in this election) votes against someone. Both those reasons stick around even if you vote for a dead or seriously ill person.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her."

    Dead people have been voting for Democrats for a long time. It's time they had a candidate who truly represents them.
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  41. @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania.

    Hypomania.

    Or maybe he just has the “Thatcher Gene“.

    On reflection, though, considering the wider behavioural aspects (as described by Wikipedia, anyway), hypomania does seem to fit Trump well.

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    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

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  42. Some of you need to talk yourself off the ledge. Pathetic slave mentality in these comments.

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    There's a strong strain of Aspergers in these comments, moreso ever since he came here from Blogspot. Plus a huge amount of folks here are elderly ninnies who get suicidal whenever their blood sugar drops too low.
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  43. “Bring out your dead”.

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  44. In any event, Western Civilization’s hopes haven’t been higher than now for decades. Who would’ve dreamed of a Trump-like major party candidate in the US presidential election just eighteen months ago? And with a chance of actually winning? So no need to feel gloomy.

    But still this Hillary health issue is no reason to feel that the election has already been won, because it hasn’t, and it’s not even clear to me it’ll even have positive impact for Trump.

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  45. OT

    They need to postpone the Austrian presidential elections (which have to be repeated because, unprecedented in the history of first world democratic elections, there was substantiated suspicion of widespread electoral fraud), because the voting ballots can be tampered with.

    Co-incidentally, the anti-immigration candidate is now leading with a wide margin in the polls.

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    the voting ballots can be tampered with.
    ----
    Good to know that they're putting it off to make sure that it's a legitimate poll.
    I thought that they had put it off to buy time to cheat the nationalist candidate out of winning, again.
    I guess things like that can happen in a country where the institutions have NOT all been marched through, yet.
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  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @eah
    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer/status/775160513512648704

    The fact of the matter is, the video clearly shows she didn’t “stumble.” She completely lost her ability to walk or stand. Her legs turned to jello, and she was dragged into the van like a rag doll.

    The more news organizations attempt to redraw what can be watched over and over on a video, the less confidence the public will have in that new organization’s favored candidate. If any news organization is undermining national security with it’s draconian politics, it’s CNN.

    They say families in denial self-destruct. The same goes for political parties.

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    Are most TV news programs broadcasting the video of Hillary passing out? NPR and NYT are definitely understating it, saying "stumbled," "tripped" and "had to be helped." The Times says more further into their article on it.

    I think it's odd that so little video of the incident have come to light. The scene we see from two angles opens with Hillary propped up against a concrete post, apparently completely unable to move. How did she get there without news cameras following her movements?

    Is it odd that the secret service forms a parameter not to protect her from harm but from the prying eyes of cameras? I think so. They obviously see protecting her shot at the White House as part of their job. And it doesn't look as if they are unpracticed as handling such episodes.
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  47. @Realist
    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.

    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.

    Looking forward to the “I’m For Zombie Hillary” t-shirts.

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    Sounds like a job for Ben Garrison.
    , @Realist
    "Looking forward to the “I’m For Zombie Hillary” t-shirts."

    Me too. I'd buy one.
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  48. @Nick Diaz
    As much as I loath Donald Trump and all that he stands for, I would actually prefer him to be President than Hillary. Hillary is a severe case of sociopathy. She is morally above psychopathy, but only just. The only reason why I don't flat out accuse her of being a psychopath is because psychos have difficulty controlling their intense lust for perversions for long. Since so far no story has come out about a secret room where Hillary keeps live babies in vats just to torture them, or that she has assassinated her political rivals with exotic radioactive elements, or framed them for murder or some insanely over-the-top sick shit, I will just put her in the sociopath category.

    This is a woman who has lied under oath several times. She has purposefully deleted state-held information that was compromising to her but valuable to the State - clearly indicating her self-serving nature and lack of selfless, altruistic tendencies. She coldly and calculating made a deal with her cheating husband to tolerate his sexual escapes in turn of his political support, revealing not only greed and ruthlessness on the level of a sociopath, but also her pettiness as a human being and lack of self-respect as a woman.

    As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger's Disease, a progressive degeneration of the white myelinated matter that surrounds the cerebral cortex. This is usually caused by multiple hemorragic strokes to the tiny blood vessels of that area. Hillary's symptoms of impaired coordination, gait, fixed pupils and sudden freezes of her musculature fit Binswanger's Disease to a T. Usually, it is caused by chronic high blood pressure due to consistently being angry, or due to amphetamine abuse - which increases sytolic blood pressure by being sympathomimetics.

    It is pretty obvious that Hillary, being a ruthlessly ambitious woman who has endured a great deal of frustration in her life, such as having to put up with Bill's cheating and losing the nomination to Obama simply because he is black, has severely affected her health.

    The interesting thing about BD is that it does not affect general intelligence, as the grey matter of the frontal lobes is not affected, and is very well-nourished by it's own supply of blood. However, several areas of the brain are affected, as well as the ability to integrate information wit emotion, which is one of the functions of white matter. People with BD have their logical and abstract thinking unaffected, but they become more erratic, less emotive but at the same time more impulsive, with poor judgement and with decreased ability to put their own emotions in context.

    Hillary is still relatively young to be suffering from Alzheimer's. Besides, her reasoning skills and memory do not fit the diagnosis of someone with dementia. Her symptoms are mostly motor, which indicated compromised functioning of her myelinated nerves.

    Is this the same Nick Diaz?

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    Is this the same Nick Diaz?
     
    Yeah, very non-sequitur.

    It is not the usual cadence and word usage, so I suspect a cut-and-paste. Even so, to follow things closely enough to find and use such a comment is a cosmic leap for Nick, if it is indeed him.
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  49. @Randal

    Hypomania.
     
    Or maybe he just has the "Thatcher Gene".

    On reflection, though, considering the wider behavioural aspects (as described by Wikipedia, anyway), hypomania does seem to fit Trump well.

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing. It’s just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It’s a nice thing to be.

    Here’s an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn’t all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I’ve always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

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    Manic energy in my own experience can be a basis for achievement or the origin of catastrophic overreach. I guess your points about Churchill illustrate the benefits of checks and balances, and the potential costs to the nation of such men having dictatorial power rather than having to persuade their peers for major decisions (Hitler's decision to launch Barbarossa, for instance, in contrast).

    On the other hand, needing less sleep must surely be a straightforward major benefit, if it really has no deleterious effects.

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing
     
    I looked at the Wikipedia summary after your reference to it, and it surely does describe Trump well, doesn't it?

    " a mood state characterized by persistent disinhibition and pervasive elevated (euphoric) with or without irritable mood but generally less severe than full mania. Characteristic behaviors are extremely energetic, talkative, and confident commonly exhibited with a flight of creative ideas.[1] While hypomanic behavior often generates productivity and excitement, it can become troublesome if the subject engages in risky or otherwise inadvisable behaviors
    , @Desiderius
    They were both in San Juan, where Churchill was covering the Spanish-American War. Can't remember if they met.
    , @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing. It’s just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It’s a nice thing to be.
     
    Hypomania has been described as a non-narcotic analog to a cocaine high.

    Donald Trump has always been clean as a whistle, by his account. I expect that as a young tycoon in '80s New York in the midst of the glamorous scene in that decade—the world of Jay McInerney's early fiction—the Donald must have been surrounded by mounds of the white stuff.

    It is impressive that he did not succumb to temptation but hypomania would have made the drug easier to ignore.

    , @Anon
    Churchill no doubt would have avoided the black dog if he'd quit drinking. His consumption was astonishing, and dealing with cycle of hangovers no doubt held him back. Hillary is suffering from the effects of being a woman with ordinary energy trying to compete with a man with a ton of natural energy. Trump's made himself a public figure for decades, unlike other businessmen. I think he has so much energy that business alone bores him.
    , @Anoni
    Little bit tangential, but one thing to remember about Churchill, is that he was right, ahead of time, on the horrible strategy behind the Somme and the other 1915-16 offensives. He predicted the outcome, had a better plan, and then ended up being an office on the line implementing the suicidal offensives. So he had little trust in the generals and feared a repeat- very few of us could resist pushing alternatives after that experience.
    , @guest
    Churchill was obsessed with winning barfights by kicking the stool out from under your opponent rather than punching them in face. It's the old "indirect approach," which is sound strategy. But just because an approach is indirect doesn't mean it's not stupid. See his disastrous Dardenelles campaign.

    Grand Designs were Churchill's preferred method of governance. Coincidentally, they are also easier than actually governing. You can stay up all night, drink your weight, and still be a dreamer. He was also contractorily fond of busywork, doing things he really ought to have left to subordinates. Because he didn't have the time or competence.

    Such are the makings of "great men." God, deliver us from great men.

    He did have one good Big Idea. He knew the secret to winning the war: get the U.S. in by hook or by crook, plus make a deal with the devil Stalin. So he won, and the result: goodbye British Empire, hello U.S./Soviet world domination, goodbye Central and Eastern Europe, hello Beveridge Report Welfare State. Basically, goodbye everything Churchill cared about but killing Hitler.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing. It’s just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It’s a nice thing to be.
     
    Up to a point, yes, but clinical hypomania is also associated with poor judgement, being accident prone, and so on, and hypomanic drivers may be a danger to others, especially when the poor judgment is associated with alcohol and other drugs that change or magnify behavioral tendencies.
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  50. @Realist
    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.

    If Crooked Hillary died, the Soviet media would claim that she is just resting.

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    "Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton transitioned to the cloud this morning. Adding to her historical legacy she is also now the first transhumanist presidential candidate in US history."
    , @Realist
    An the Democrat would blame Putin for killing her.
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  51. @Steve Sailer
    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

    Manic energy in my own experience can be a basis for achievement or the origin of catastrophic overreach. I guess your points about Churchill illustrate the benefits of checks and balances, and the potential costs to the nation of such men having dictatorial power rather than having to persuade their peers for major decisions (Hitler’s decision to launch Barbarossa, for instance, in contrast).

    On the other hand, needing less sleep must surely be a straightforward major benefit, if it really has no deleterious effects.

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing

    I looked at the Wikipedia summary after your reference to it, and it surely does describe Trump well, doesn’t it?

    a mood state characterized by persistent disinhibition and pervasive elevated (euphoric) with or without irritable mood but generally less severe than full mania. Characteristic behaviors are extremely energetic, talkative, and confident commonly exhibited with a flight of creative ideas.[1] While hypomanic behavior often generates productivity and excitement, it can become troublesome if the subject engages in risky or otherwise inadvisable behaviors

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    Jay McInerney's early 1990s novel Brightness Falls features a manic-depressive Wall Street billionaire whose vast winnings are due to his cycles happening by luck to run a few months before the bull and bear cycles of the stock market.

    Has Trump ever been depressed? The 1990-91 downturn was a pretty public humiliation for him, and I imagine that 2008-09 hit him hard in the wallet because he was building a 90+ story tower in Chicago. But he seems to have scraped through both crises.

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  52. @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania is a good thing to have: Teddy Roosevelt had it.

    It’s 5am been up for 3 hours already…

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  53. @Thomas
    @Cernovich caught that Hillary has been having public fainting spells as far back as 2005: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/31/clinton/ She's been on Coumadin since 1998. There's no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.

    I can't see Hillary dropping out, assuming that the key determining factor is whether she personally chooses to or not. She's nakedly wanted to be President her entire life. The early 1992 Clinton campaign floated the slogan "two for the price of one." She's gone from Wellesley and Yale Law and the start of a promising career in her late 20s in Washington to having to suffer the indignities of marriage to Bill, following him to spend almost two decades in Arkansas, never being a favorite of the press until she was the last thing standing between them and the Donald, being beaten by a first-term Senator who came out of nowhere and then having to accept serving as his subordinate, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to admit that she'd rather die on the campaign trail than finally flick all of that in to end up as a historical footnote. What else does she have in her life? In a way, she's something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it.

    In this sense, one could call the press Hillary enablers in more ways than one: they may be allowing a woman to kill herself, in front of a national audience, rather than say aloud what is becoming increasingly obvious.

    Indeed, for Hillary Clinton, a bad death would be one in which her Wikipedia page mentioned that she was “First Lady of the United States” rather than “45th President of the United States, having previously been First Lady while her husband Bill Clinton was 42nd President of the United States.” It frankly doesn’t matter to her if her mandate turns out to be as disastrous as Isabel Peron’s (which if she wins it most certainly will): her eye is on the Big Apple Pie and in her mind, nothing is going to get in her way.

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  54. It is interesting to note that, long before they got to know each other in WWII, FDR and Churchill had not dissimilar jobs simultaneously in WW1. FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy during much of Churchill’s tenure as First Lord of the Admiralty, which lasted until the end of 1915.

    The two navies were quite dissimilar in size, but it is possible that the two might have formal contact, despite Churchill’s job being one level up from FDR’s, protocol wise. While Britain was preoccupied with the war at that point and the US was at peace, the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915 resulted in over a hundred Americans drowning, which must surely have resulted in telegrams between the two departments.

    It’s also interesting to note that there is a record of what Teddy Roosevelt thought of Winston Churchill. Not much, it seems, until fairly late in TR’s life when he might have come around.

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-163/churchill-proceedings-churchill-and-theodore-roosevelt

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    "The historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. once asked Alice Roosevelt Longworth why her father harbored such permanent dislike for Churchill. “Because,” she quipped, “they were so much alike.”"

    One difference was that Churchill was wittier than TR, at least to modern tastes. The overall concept of TR shouting "Bully" is wonderful, but his actual utterances were pretty earnest for modern tastes. (On the other hand, TR's daughter Alice was hilarious.)

    , @Desiderius
    Churchill was pretty much on the outs shortly after Gallipoli went awry. He ended up fighting on the front lines in France to get himself back in the game the only way available to him. He was likely above FDR's rank before the fall, then rapidly below.
    , @The Man From K Street
    When Churchill became PM in 1940, Roosevelt had the Navy Department dig up his (FDR's) old official AsstSecNav itineraries to confirm his recollection that he had, in fact, met Churchill before. It was recorded that they were at the same dinner party (at Gray's Inn) in London in 1918 (this was long after WSC had departed the Admiralty in disgrace), and Roosevelt remembered Churchill as being cocky and condescending. Churchill remembered absolutely nothing at all of Roosevelt which chagrined Roosevelt when the latter brought it up at their next meeting, when they were drawing up the Atlantic Charter, at Argentia in 1941. The conclusion that Churchill had been inebriated at that party seems inescapable.
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  55. @Thomas
    @Cernovich caught that Hillary has been having public fainting spells as far back as 2005: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/31/clinton/ She's been on Coumadin since 1998. There's no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.

    I can't see Hillary dropping out, assuming that the key determining factor is whether she personally chooses to or not. She's nakedly wanted to be President her entire life. The early 1992 Clinton campaign floated the slogan "two for the price of one." She's gone from Wellesley and Yale Law and the start of a promising career in her late 20s in Washington to having to suffer the indignities of marriage to Bill, following him to spend almost two decades in Arkansas, never being a favorite of the press until she was the last thing standing between them and the Donald, being beaten by a first-term Senator who came out of nowhere and then having to accept serving as his subordinate, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to admit that she'd rather die on the campaign trail than finally flick all of that in to end up as a historical footnote. What else does she have in her life? In a way, she's something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it.

    In this sense, one could call the press Hillary enablers in more ways than one: they may be allowing a woman to kill herself, in front of a national audience, rather than say aloud what is becoming increasingly obvious.

    There’s no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.

    As early as 2012 I remember mainstream press speculations about 2016 suggesting that Clinton would not medically be up to the task in view of the treatment(s) she was then undergoing. Such speculations seem to have disappeared entirely once her official candidacy was announced but of course IMPOSSIBLE that the press is shilling for Clinton, I mean IMPOSSIBLE.

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  56. She should take off this week at a minimum. They saying she’ll appear via Skype at a fundraiser in Cali today.

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    "They saying she’ll appear via Skype at a fundraiser in Cali today."

    At least she can stay in touch with her plutocrat donors. And that's what's really important.
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  57. @Randal
    Manic energy in my own experience can be a basis for achievement or the origin of catastrophic overreach. I guess your points about Churchill illustrate the benefits of checks and balances, and the potential costs to the nation of such men having dictatorial power rather than having to persuade their peers for major decisions (Hitler's decision to launch Barbarossa, for instance, in contrast).

    On the other hand, needing less sleep must surely be a straightforward major benefit, if it really has no deleterious effects.

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing
     
    I looked at the Wikipedia summary after your reference to it, and it surely does describe Trump well, doesn't it?

    " a mood state characterized by persistent disinhibition and pervasive elevated (euphoric) with or without irritable mood but generally less severe than full mania. Characteristic behaviors are extremely energetic, talkative, and confident commonly exhibited with a flight of creative ideas.[1] While hypomanic behavior often generates productivity and excitement, it can become troublesome if the subject engages in risky or otherwise inadvisable behaviors

    Jay McInerney’s early 1990s novel Brightness Falls features a manic-depressive Wall Street billionaire whose vast winnings are due to his cycles happening by luck to run a few months before the bull and bear cycles of the stock market.

    Has Trump ever been depressed? The 1990-91 downturn was a pretty public humiliation for him, and I imagine that 2008-09 hit him hard in the wallet because he was building a 90+ story tower in Chicago. But he seems to have scraped through both crises.

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  58. @Mr. Anon
    OT: but on the similar topic of "things that we have stopped talking about":

    Whatever happend to left-wing critiques of television? I remember in the 80s, people on the left were always talking about the pernicious influence of television. There were books like Neal Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death, a fairly influential book when it came out in 1985. Then there were all the "Kill Your Television" bumper-stickers, and the endless critiques of "If it bleeds, it leads" local news broadcasts. Even Don Henley got in on it with his song Dirty Laundry.

    But nowadays, polite, middle-brow liberal opinion seems to think that TV is just swell. NPR, Slate, Huffington, etc. are always going on about the latest shows - Game of Thrones, Mad Men, etc. Tuning into Dallas every week, and caring about the character arc of JR Ewing made you a square and a philistine, but binge-watching Mad Men, and caring about the character arc of Don Draper makes you a hip sophisticate.

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV, and any notion that it might be a corrosive influence on society has been seemingly discarded.

    Television watching is much lower than it used to be.

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    it is also the much more cognitive demanding activity than what most people do most of the time by now, which is strolling down some meme centered internet sites or Facebook
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  59. @PiltdownMan
    It is interesting to note that, long before they got to know each other in WWII, FDR and Churchill had not dissimilar jobs simultaneously in WW1. FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy during much of Churchill's tenure as First Lord of the Admiralty, which lasted until the end of 1915.

    The two navies were quite dissimilar in size, but it is possible that the two might have formal contact, despite Churchill's job being one level up from FDR's, protocol wise. While Britain was preoccupied with the war at that point and the US was at peace, the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915 resulted in over a hundred Americans drowning, which must surely have resulted in telegrams between the two departments.

    It's also interesting to note that there is a record of what Teddy Roosevelt thought of Winston Churchill. Not much, it seems, until fairly late in TR's life when he might have come around.

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-163/churchill-proceedings-churchill-and-theodore-roosevelt

    “The historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. once asked Alice Roosevelt Longworth why her father harbored such permanent dislike for Churchill. “Because,” she quipped, “they were so much alike.””

    One difference was that Churchill was wittier than TR, at least to modern tastes. The overall concept of TR shouting “Bully” is wonderful, but his actual utterances were pretty earnest for modern tastes. (On the other hand, TR’s daughter Alice was hilarious.)

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    his actual utterances were pretty earnest for modern tastes.
     
    Given what came just before, Modernism pretty much had to be that way.

    Still turned out to be its Achilles Heel.
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  60. The BBC had WaPo’s Abby Philip on today – she didn’t use any words like ‘collapsed’ or ‘fainted’ to describe what happened. The Guardian has amended its “Hillary leaves early because overheated” story to add “Video posted by a bystander to Twitter appeared to show the former secretary of state extremely unsteady and supported by aides, being helped from the curb into a vehicle.”

    How about “collapsing and falling into the car” ?

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    I think Touré had the best description of what happened :

    We have a video of Clinton entering a van and getting help entering, as is common among human beings.

    — (((Touré))) (@Toure) September 11, 2016
     
    mic drop after that one, definitely lol
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  61. @Lot
    I'm not sure that that the focus on Hillary's health will help Trump in the end. She'll probably look fine in the first debate, which will be a positive with him raising expectations of her being tired or sickly.

    Maybe the president is special, but voters routine elect decrepit 80 and 90 year olds to the Senate.

    The best issue for Trump is crime. He should be accusing Hillary of siding with criminals over the police and put her in the no-win situation of endorsing or disavowing BLM.

    Agreed. He has to subtly bring up the specter of society declining to the black standard. Clinton’s health doesn’t help him much. She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly. She limps along she gets sympathy.

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    Yeah, the Dem that couldn't beat Hillary will easily beat Trump.

    Go back to your corner chair. The bull will be by shortly.
    , @whorefinder

    Clinton’s health doesn’t help him much.
     
    *Spits out coffee.*

    She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly.
     
    He defeated 16 other seasoned, well-funded politicians in the primary where the party heads were openly talking about denying him the nomination even if he got the most delegates, and now is leading a former secretary of state/first lady, and you still think it's all just a fluke?

    And that just anyone stepping in with a D on their name will beat Trump?

    Man, Scott Adams called Trump's win in August 2015, and Hillary's health problems in December 2015, and people still aren't listening to him.

    She limps along she gets sympathy.
     
    Yeah....that's what we vote for in a presidential candidate....sympathy.

    Seriously, this whole meme of "so many other D's on the bench would have beat Trump right now" is one of the most fantastic delusions of the elections. We have mountains of evidence Trump is a master campaigner, and people like you are still in denial about it.
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  62. @Nick Diaz
    As much as I loath Donald Trump and all that he stands for, I would actually prefer him to be President than Hillary. Hillary is a severe case of sociopathy. She is morally above psychopathy, but only just. The only reason why I don't flat out accuse her of being a psychopath is because psychos have difficulty controlling their intense lust for perversions for long. Since so far no story has come out about a secret room where Hillary keeps live babies in vats just to torture them, or that she has assassinated her political rivals with exotic radioactive elements, or framed them for murder or some insanely over-the-top sick shit, I will just put her in the sociopath category.

    This is a woman who has lied under oath several times. She has purposefully deleted state-held information that was compromising to her but valuable to the State - clearly indicating her self-serving nature and lack of selfless, altruistic tendencies. She coldly and calculating made a deal with her cheating husband to tolerate his sexual escapes in turn of his political support, revealing not only greed and ruthlessness on the level of a sociopath, but also her pettiness as a human being and lack of self-respect as a woman.

    As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger's Disease, a progressive degeneration of the white myelinated matter that surrounds the cerebral cortex. This is usually caused by multiple hemorragic strokes to the tiny blood vessels of that area. Hillary's symptoms of impaired coordination, gait, fixed pupils and sudden freezes of her musculature fit Binswanger's Disease to a T. Usually, it is caused by chronic high blood pressure due to consistently being angry, or due to amphetamine abuse - which increases sytolic blood pressure by being sympathomimetics.

    It is pretty obvious that Hillary, being a ruthlessly ambitious woman who has endured a great deal of frustration in her life, such as having to put up with Bill's cheating and losing the nomination to Obama simply because he is black, has severely affected her health.

    The interesting thing about BD is that it does not affect general intelligence, as the grey matter of the frontal lobes is not affected, and is very well-nourished by it's own supply of blood. However, several areas of the brain are affected, as well as the ability to integrate information wit emotion, which is one of the functions of white matter. People with BD have their logical and abstract thinking unaffected, but they become more erratic, less emotive but at the same time more impulsive, with poor judgement and with decreased ability to put their own emotions in context.

    Hillary is still relatively young to be suffering from Alzheimer's. Besides, her reasoning skills and memory do not fit the diagnosis of someone with dementia. Her symptoms are mostly motor, which indicated compromised functioning of her myelinated nerves.

    The first sane comment from Nick Diaz. You are making progress brother! Trump|Pence|Fence2016

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  63. What difference does it make at this point anyway?

    Hillary could fall into a coma today and still get 47% of the vote on election day. She’d get that much because being out of the public eye would improve her likeability score.

    The Clintons are all about the money, and the money spigot shuts off the minute she drops out of the race, so she will keep plugging along even if it kills her.

    BTW, if she is hypothyroidal, she is likely an insomniac, so she will answer that phone when it rings at 3am, most likely to bomb yet another corner of the planet. It will also be interesting to see if they allow flash photgraphy at the debate.

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  64. @Ed
    Agreed. He has to subtly bring up the specter of society declining to the black standard. Clinton's health doesn't help him much. She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly. She limps along she gets sympathy.

    Yeah, the Dem that couldn’t beat Hillary will easily beat Trump.

    Go back to your corner chair. The bull will be by shortly.

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    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.
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  65. @Mr. Anon
    OT: but on the similar topic of "things that we have stopped talking about":

    Whatever happend to left-wing critiques of television? I remember in the 80s, people on the left were always talking about the pernicious influence of television. There were books like Neal Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death, a fairly influential book when it came out in 1985. Then there were all the "Kill Your Television" bumper-stickers, and the endless critiques of "If it bleeds, it leads" local news broadcasts. Even Don Henley got in on it with his song Dirty Laundry.

    But nowadays, polite, middle-brow liberal opinion seems to think that TV is just swell. NPR, Slate, Huffington, etc. are always going on about the latest shows - Game of Thrones, Mad Men, etc. Tuning into Dallas every week, and caring about the character arc of JR Ewing made you a square and a philistine, but binge-watching Mad Men, and caring about the character arc of Don Draper makes you a hip sophisticate.

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV, and any notion that it might be a corrosive influence on society has been seemingly discarded.

    Remember when lefties used to talk about overpopulation? I wonder what changed … ?

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  66. It’s all part of the deplorable vast right-wing conspiracy. One of Vlad’s FSB assassins gave her pneumonia by sticking her with a contaminated needle.

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  67. @Anonymous
    The fact of the matter is, the video clearly shows she didn't "stumble." She completely lost her ability to walk or stand. Her legs turned to jello, and she was dragged into the van like a rag doll.

    The more news organizations attempt to redraw what can be watched over and over on a video, the less confidence the public will have in that new organization's favored candidate. If any news organization is undermining national security with it's draconian politics, it's CNN.

    They say families in denial self-destruct. The same goes for political parties.

    Are most TV news programs broadcasting the video of Hillary passing out? NPR and NYT are definitely understating it, saying “stumbled,” “tripped” and “had to be helped.” The Times says more further into their article on it.

    I think it’s odd that so little video of the incident have come to light. The scene we see from two angles opens with Hillary propped up against a concrete post, apparently completely unable to move. How did she get there without news cameras following her movements?

    Is it odd that the secret service forms a parameter not to protect her from harm but from the prying eyes of cameras? I think so. They obviously see protecting her shot at the White House as part of their job. And it doesn’t look as if they are unpracticed as handling such episodes.

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    Is it odd that the secret service forms a parameter not to protect her from harm but from the prying eyes of cameras? I think so.

    Absolutely -- I had the same impression when I saw it.
    , @Alfa158
    The Praetorian Guard had warned the press not to follow her when she left the ceremony. The video you saw was taken by a guy from New Jersey who happened to be back in that area so that is why it is the only recording of the collapse.
    The news programs are either ignoring the video, or showing it but cutting off just before the part where she folds and starts to go down, or immediately following with the staged campaign video of her emerging from Chelsea's mansion and accepting flowers from the kid.
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  68. @Anonymous

    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.
     
    Looking forward to the "I'm For Zombie Hillary" t-shirts.

    Sounds like a job for Ben Garrison.

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  69. I love the concern trolling in that article.

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  70. @Jack Hanson
    The only image for the Clinton campaign worst than her going all syncopal on the debate stage is her going syncopal and Trump rushing to catch her, doing so, lowering her to the ground, and calling for help.

    That is the election right there, folks, if that happens.

    And she looks into his eyes and cries,”Its you, Donnie,its always been you!”

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    Team Trump can't figure out why The Donald insists on doing wind sprints the exact distance of the podiums as part of "pre-debate prep" but he says that it'll all be worth it.
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  71. It’s also true, of course, that should Hillary disappear for two weeks, and then reappear for the debate, and be in full apparent control of her faculties, and get off a few zingers against Trump, it will defy expectations and come across as a Mao-swimming-the-Yangtze moment.

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  72. @res
    Contrast Hillary's schedule with Trump's:
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule
    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

    His superpower is that he transforms the adulation he gets in his rallies into something akin to the fountain of youth- so powerful that it defies death and sickness. It’s a positive feedback loop really. The crowds are invigorated by Trump’s violation of taboos and they unwittingly provide him with a weird energy that enables him to keep going. Like Dracula thriving on his victims’ blood, so Trump thrives on his followers’ adulation.
    It’s like we’re witnessing something supernatural when I’m wearing my tinfoil hat. But I’ve always believed he is the incarnation of the mythical Trickster, like Bugs Bunny and Satan.
    Hillary lacks this power. Poor woman, her body is betraying her just when the prize is in sight.

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  73. @Jack Hanson
    The only image for the Clinton campaign worst than her going all syncopal on the debate stage is her going syncopal and Trump rushing to catch her, doing so, lowering her to the ground, and calling for help.

    That is the election right there, folks, if that happens.

    His superpower is that he transforms the adulation he gets in his rallies into something akin to the fountain of youth- so powerful that it defies death and sickness. It’s a positive feedback loop really. The crowds are invigorated by Trump’s violation of taboos and they unwittingly provide him with a weird energy that enables him to keep going. Like Dracula thriving on his victims’ blood, so Trump thrives on his followers’ adulation.
    It’s like we’re witnessing something supernatural when I’m wearing my tinfoil hat. But I’ve always believed he is the incarnation of the mythical Trickster, like Bugs Bunny and Satan.
    Hillary lacks this power. Poor woman, her body is betraying her just when the prize is in sight.

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  74. @Lugash
    This guy is way too fat to be a Secret Service agent. Or, at least one that's not protected because he's a Clinton stooge. He doesn't seem to be wearing a bullet proof vest, and he's not positioning himself to protect her from danger.

    And then there's the white guy on the right side of the video with his mystery medicine that he takes out of his suit pocket, then puts into his shirt pocket.

    Hillary does deliver a fair zinger about Trumps sons and hunting though.

    Hillary does deliver a fair zinger about Trumps sons and hunting though.

    Just a cheap shot, like the whole speech. Sportsman are good stewards of wildlife, especially compared to the increased urbanization and habitat erasure one gets with Hillary’s policies.

    And its laughable to bring up Trump’s business miscues while the gov’t. Hillary wants to expand destroys wealth on a scale so large it can only be seen from orbit.

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  75. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    No tobacco or alcohol products. Also, he's used to the stress of running his own business. He's known to work up to 16-18hrs per day. He only sleeps about 4-5hrs per night.

    Also good genes – he’s a son of a self-made multimillionaire and the kind of woman who can beat the others for the prize of marrying one.

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  76. @PhysicistDave
    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse. My prediction: they are evil for talking about it because she is elderly, and these sorts of things just happen to the elderly.

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a "woman thing": she is of course post-menopausal, but I wouldn't bet that they won't try that ploy.

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of "Don't Dump Hillary!", since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a “woman thing”

    I speculated yesterday morning that it might have been the vapors.

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  77. The egotism and sense of self-importance of the writer is really amazing. They’re trying to proclaim what Trump “should not” do as if they’re some great guru. Trump didn’t get all this way by listening to pundit twits but has been his own man all along.

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  78. From today in a mostly skeptical NBC news story

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-s-health-scare-9-unanswered-questions-n646551

    To be sure, we know vastly more about Clinton’s health than we do about Donald Trump’s

    To quote a Hillary supporter: Are you kidding me?

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  79. By the way, wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th? …She should just vanish and have her surrogates try to lure Trump into giving his opinion of Mother Theresa’s beatification or whatever

    She’s famous for her autistic-like way of ruining her speechwriter’s phrases in her final edits, and her bizarre things to focus on (Libya! Alt-Right!). She, quite frankly, doesn’t “get” normal human interaction, doesn’t think about long-term consequences to actions, and is a piss-poor campaigner. She just doesn’t understand how people react to her antics, which explains her famous rages at how the idiot plebeians just don’t fall at her feet and make her the First Female President, like she deserves. It also explains her absolutely awful job as Sec of State—she can’t relate to anybody, and can’t fake it.

    I’m sure the DNC and her staff are floating this idea to her, but she’s angrily shooting it down, and that they’re asking Bill to convince her to do it. Much like in the way they tried to shoot down her Alt-Right speech, they will fail, unless she becomes medically incapacitated.

    She’s claiming she needs to show “strength” on the trail, and she just had a “bad day.” I’m betting she’s in total denial about how bad that video made her look (although she does want that poor guy who shot it to, well, “commit suicide” with two gun shots in the back of his head).

    That said, she also has a huge ego and love for the spotlight, like all big national politicians. I don’t think any candidate for a major party, no matter how sick and flailing, would agree to a two-week “timeout.” It’s just not how such persons operate; that would cut off the supply of oxygen to her brain.

    And Trump would make mincemeat out of such a decision, especially at the (maybe now-cancelled) debates: “Hey Hillary, nice to see you out and about. It’s been so long since anyone’s seen you. You need a hand getting back to your podium?”

    On a side note, watch the Left’s rhetoric get increasingly violent over the next two weeks, as they panic and try to get someone to take a literal shot at Trump. Now that Hillary is seen as weak, their brains will immediately go to the next option, which is eliminationist rhetoric.

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    If I was the son-of-a-bitch that shot that vid I'd be visiting with Snowden right about now. Take a long vaca where Clinton investigators don't die in job lots in the matter of weeks.
    , @anonymous
    I think you may have it backward: if HRC continues to sink in the polls, yet refuses to step down, the powers-that-be will not take a shot at DJT.

    Instead . . .

    The unlikely, but far from impossible scenario is simple - a "crazed lone-nut Trump supporter" is blamed for (whatever happens?) and is himself immediately silenced. The major media quickly hint that DJT ordered (it?) and the and the Democratic Party rides their replacement candidate to victory on the outraged/sympathy vote.

    This is a last-ditch plan, but somewhere, in some very carefully coded file, contingencies are being considered . . .
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  80. Intersting all the comments here and Steve stays totally focused on hypomania.

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  81. @reiner Tor
    I wouldn't get worked up about all this. She's still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.

    He still gets at least one SCOTUS appointment.

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  82. @Ed
    Agreed. He has to subtly bring up the specter of society declining to the black standard. Clinton's health doesn't help him much. She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly. She limps along she gets sympathy.

    Clinton’s health doesn’t help him much.

    *Spits out coffee.*

    She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly.

    He defeated 16 other seasoned, well-funded politicians in the primary where the party heads were openly talking about denying him the nomination even if he got the most delegates, and now is leading a former secretary of state/first lady, and you still think it’s all just a fluke?

    And that just anyone stepping in with a D on their name will beat Trump?

    Man, Scott Adams called Trump’s win in August 2015, and Hillary’s health problems in December 2015, and people still aren’t listening to him.

    She limps along she gets sympathy.

    Yeah….that’s what we vote for in a presidential candidate….sympathy.

    Seriously, this whole meme of “so many other D’s on the bench would have beat Trump right now” is one of the most fantastic delusions of the elections. We have mountains of evidence Trump is a master campaigner, and people like you are still in denial about it.

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    I'm telling you man, it's like battered wife syndrome around here.
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  83. Trump doesn’t need to offer anything, just have a plant ask him about Hillary’s health. He’ll reply that he’s concerned because if she drops out it will throw the country into turmoil. “Are the Dems sure they want to stick with Hillary as their candidate?” Dems are fractionated again, it’s all over but the shouting. If this doesn’t happen I will doubt the competency of the Trump campaign.

    The idea that some other Dem will step in and win easily is just insultingly stupid.

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  84. @Anonym
    Is this the same Nick Diaz?

    Is this the same Nick Diaz?

    Yeah, very non-sequitur.

    It is not the usual cadence and word usage, so I suspect a cut-and-paste. Even so, to follow things closely enough to find and use such a comment is a cosmic leap for Nick, if it is indeed him.

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    One of the more interesting aspects of the culture here at iSteve is the trolls that get thru, especially given Steve's habit of pruning more inflammatory comments.
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  85. @reiner Tor
    I wouldn't get worked up about all this. She's still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.

    I don;t know about that. Obama has made the Presidency the most powerful office in the world. Trump could just stop enforcing civil rights laws, or or announce that the income tax laws will hereafter only be enforced up to 20% of adjusted gross income.

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  86. So Mrs. Clinton, how was your week?
    That’s not funny!

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  87. @antipater_1
    If Crooked Hillary died, the Soviet media would claim that she is just resting.

    “Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton transitioned to the cloud this morning. Adding to her historical legacy she is also now the first transhumanist presidential candidate in US history.”

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  88. @reiner Tor
    I wouldn't get worked up about all this. She's still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.

    But it’s still completely hilarious to watch the media sputter and grope for an angle where Hillary somehow doesn’t look worse than Nixon with the obvious, repeated lies about critical points of contention. And after every new round of shoveling her shit, something even more dramatic happens to blow up the house of cards they just built. At this rate, she’ll die of a brain hemorrhage live in front of 100 million people during the first debate.

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  89. @Mr. Anon
    OT: but on the similar topic of "things that we have stopped talking about":

    Whatever happend to left-wing critiques of television? I remember in the 80s, people on the left were always talking about the pernicious influence of television. There were books like Neal Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death, a fairly influential book when it came out in 1985. Then there were all the "Kill Your Television" bumper-stickers, and the endless critiques of "If it bleeds, it leads" local news broadcasts. Even Don Henley got in on it with his song Dirty Laundry.

    But nowadays, polite, middle-brow liberal opinion seems to think that TV is just swell. NPR, Slate, Huffington, etc. are always going on about the latest shows - Game of Thrones, Mad Men, etc. Tuning into Dallas every week, and caring about the character arc of JR Ewing made you a square and a philistine, but binge-watching Mad Men, and caring about the character arc of Don Draper makes you a hip sophisticate.

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV, and any notion that it might be a corrosive influence on society has been seemingly discarded.

    That isn’t the point.

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  90. @Mr. Anon
    OT: but on the similar topic of "things that we have stopped talking about":

    Whatever happend to left-wing critiques of television? I remember in the 80s, people on the left were always talking about the pernicious influence of television. There were books like Neal Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death, a fairly influential book when it came out in 1985. Then there were all the "Kill Your Television" bumper-stickers, and the endless critiques of "If it bleeds, it leads" local news broadcasts. Even Don Henley got in on it with his song Dirty Laundry.

    But nowadays, polite, middle-brow liberal opinion seems to think that TV is just swell. NPR, Slate, Huffington, etc. are always going on about the latest shows - Game of Thrones, Mad Men, etc. Tuning into Dallas every week, and caring about the character arc of JR Ewing made you a square and a philistine, but binge-watching Mad Men, and caring about the character arc of Don Draper makes you a hip sophisticate.

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV, and any notion that it might be a corrosive influence on society has been seemingly discarded.

    Now that TV reflects their opinions 24/7, liberals just love TV…

    That’s probably it right there.

    Libs were uncomfortable with the morality in Gunsmoke and The Wonder Years, but now that they can use the medium to push feminism, the Gay lifestyle, and XYZ rights, it is cool.

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  91. @Realist
    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.

    If Trunp drops dead from a heart attack tomorrow, who will you vote for? A big chunk of voters votes for the party rather than the candidate; another big chunk (especially in this election) votes against someone. Both those reasons stick around even if you vote for a dead or seriously ill person.

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  92. @Nick Diaz
    As much as I loath Donald Trump and all that he stands for, I would actually prefer him to be President than Hillary. Hillary is a severe case of sociopathy. She is morally above psychopathy, but only just. The only reason why I don't flat out accuse her of being a psychopath is because psychos have difficulty controlling their intense lust for perversions for long. Since so far no story has come out about a secret room where Hillary keeps live babies in vats just to torture them, or that she has assassinated her political rivals with exotic radioactive elements, or framed them for murder or some insanely over-the-top sick shit, I will just put her in the sociopath category.

    This is a woman who has lied under oath several times. She has purposefully deleted state-held information that was compromising to her but valuable to the State - clearly indicating her self-serving nature and lack of selfless, altruistic tendencies. She coldly and calculating made a deal with her cheating husband to tolerate his sexual escapes in turn of his political support, revealing not only greed and ruthlessness on the level of a sociopath, but also her pettiness as a human being and lack of self-respect as a woman.

    As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger's Disease, a progressive degeneration of the white myelinated matter that surrounds the cerebral cortex. This is usually caused by multiple hemorragic strokes to the tiny blood vessels of that area. Hillary's symptoms of impaired coordination, gait, fixed pupils and sudden freezes of her musculature fit Binswanger's Disease to a T. Usually, it is caused by chronic high blood pressure due to consistently being angry, or due to amphetamine abuse - which increases sytolic blood pressure by being sympathomimetics.

    It is pretty obvious that Hillary, being a ruthlessly ambitious woman who has endured a great deal of frustration in her life, such as having to put up with Bill's cheating and losing the nomination to Obama simply because he is black, has severely affected her health.

    The interesting thing about BD is that it does not affect general intelligence, as the grey matter of the frontal lobes is not affected, and is very well-nourished by it's own supply of blood. However, several areas of the brain are affected, as well as the ability to integrate information wit emotion, which is one of the functions of white matter. People with BD have their logical and abstract thinking unaffected, but they become more erratic, less emotive but at the same time more impulsive, with poor judgement and with decreased ability to put their own emotions in context.

    Hillary is still relatively young to be suffering from Alzheimer's. Besides, her reasoning skills and memory do not fit the diagnosis of someone with dementia. Her symptoms are mostly motor, which indicated compromised functioning of her myelinated nerves.

    “As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger’s Disease,……”

    Yeah, yeah. On the internet, everyone is a doctor.

    I have no idea what is wrong with Hillary. However, it seems safe to say that there is indeed something wrong with her.

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  93. @Ed
    She should take off this week at a minimum. They saying she'll appear via Skype at a fundraiser in Cali today.

    “They saying she’ll appear via Skype at a fundraiser in Cali today.”

    At least she can stay in touch with her plutocrat donors. And that’s what’s really important.

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  94. @PhysicistDave
    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse. My prediction: they are evil for talking about it because she is elderly, and these sorts of things just happen to the elderly.

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a "woman thing": she is of course post-menopausal, but I wouldn't bet that they won't try that ploy.

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of "Don't Dump Hillary!", since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of “Don’t Dump Hillary!”, since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    LOL. I was thinking the same thing. What’s intriguing is the rumor floated by David Schuster that the DNC was looking for options to dump her. Replacing her with someone less ill and more charismatic (assuming you can get both) is still a risky move at this stage. Trying to replace her and failing would be a disaster for the Dems. I’m guessing they’ll sit tight and sweat it out, but if Hillary is elected it’ll be in spite of herself.

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  95. @Nick Diaz
    As much as I loath Donald Trump and all that he stands for, I would actually prefer him to be President than Hillary. Hillary is a severe case of sociopathy. She is morally above psychopathy, but only just. The only reason why I don't flat out accuse her of being a psychopath is because psychos have difficulty controlling their intense lust for perversions for long. Since so far no story has come out about a secret room where Hillary keeps live babies in vats just to torture them, or that she has assassinated her political rivals with exotic radioactive elements, or framed them for murder or some insanely over-the-top sick shit, I will just put her in the sociopath category.

    This is a woman who has lied under oath several times. She has purposefully deleted state-held information that was compromising to her but valuable to the State - clearly indicating her self-serving nature and lack of selfless, altruistic tendencies. She coldly and calculating made a deal with her cheating husband to tolerate his sexual escapes in turn of his political support, revealing not only greed and ruthlessness on the level of a sociopath, but also her pettiness as a human being and lack of self-respect as a woman.

    As for her health, Hillary most likely has Binswanger's Disease, a progressive degeneration of the white myelinated matter that surrounds the cerebral cortex. This is usually caused by multiple hemorragic strokes to the tiny blood vessels of that area. Hillary's symptoms of impaired coordination, gait, fixed pupils and sudden freezes of her musculature fit Binswanger's Disease to a T. Usually, it is caused by chronic high blood pressure due to consistently being angry, or due to amphetamine abuse - which increases sytolic blood pressure by being sympathomimetics.

    It is pretty obvious that Hillary, being a ruthlessly ambitious woman who has endured a great deal of frustration in her life, such as having to put up with Bill's cheating and losing the nomination to Obama simply because he is black, has severely affected her health.

    The interesting thing about BD is that it does not affect general intelligence, as the grey matter of the frontal lobes is not affected, and is very well-nourished by it's own supply of blood. However, several areas of the brain are affected, as well as the ability to integrate information wit emotion, which is one of the functions of white matter. People with BD have their logical and abstract thinking unaffected, but they become more erratic, less emotive but at the same time more impulsive, with poor judgement and with decreased ability to put their own emotions in context.

    Hillary is still relatively young to be suffering from Alzheimer's. Besides, her reasoning skills and memory do not fit the diagnosis of someone with dementia. Her symptoms are mostly motor, which indicated compromised functioning of her myelinated nerves.

    Welcome to the Dark Side of the Enlightment, Nick. Once you calm down you’ll find the
    water’s fine.

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  96. @Steve Sailer
    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

    They were both in San Juan, where Churchill was covering the Spanish-American War. Can’t remember if they met.

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    They were both in San Juan, where Churchill was covering the Spanish-American War. Can’t remember if they met.
     
    Churchill was there in 1895, covering the Spanish offensive against the Cuban rebels. In 1898, at the time of the Spanish-American war, Churchill was in the Sudan, at Omdurman.

    Winston Churchill and Theodore Roosevelt met a couple of years later, in 1900, in Albany, New York.
    , @The most deplorable one
    It is interesting that Churchill was so well acquainted with the media.
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  97. @Steve Sailer
    "The historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. once asked Alice Roosevelt Longworth why her father harbored such permanent dislike for Churchill. “Because,” she quipped, “they were so much alike.”"

    One difference was that Churchill was wittier than TR, at least to modern tastes. The overall concept of TR shouting "Bully" is wonderful, but his actual utterances were pretty earnest for modern tastes. (On the other hand, TR's daughter Alice was hilarious.)

    his actual utterances were pretty earnest for modern tastes.

    Given what came just before, Modernism pretty much had to be that way.

    Still turned out to be its Achilles Heel.

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  98. @res
    Contrast Hillary's schedule with Trump's:
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule
    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

    It’s his white, male, heterosexual, heteronormative privilege that allows him to do that.

    He needs to check his privilege!

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  99. @Thomas
    @Cernovich caught that Hillary has been having public fainting spells as far back as 2005: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/31/clinton/ She's been on Coumadin since 1998. There's no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.

    I can't see Hillary dropping out, assuming that the key determining factor is whether she personally chooses to or not. She's nakedly wanted to be President her entire life. The early 1992 Clinton campaign floated the slogan "two for the price of one." She's gone from Wellesley and Yale Law and the start of a promising career in her late 20s in Washington to having to suffer the indignities of marriage to Bill, following him to spend almost two decades in Arkansas, never being a favorite of the press until she was the last thing standing between them and the Donald, being beaten by a first-term Senator who came out of nowhere and then having to accept serving as his subordinate, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to admit that she'd rather die on the campaign trail than finally flick all of that in to end up as a historical footnote. What else does she have in her life? In a way, she's something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it.

    In this sense, one could call the press Hillary enablers in more ways than one: they may be allowing a woman to kill herself, in front of a national audience, rather than say aloud what is becoming increasingly obvious.

    “What else does she have in her life? In a way, she’s something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it.”

    Well said. You sure got that right.

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  100. @Realist
    Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.

    “Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her.”

    Dead people have been voting for Democrats for a long time. It’s time they had a candidate who truly represents them.

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    Liars are deplorable.
    , @David In TN
    "Dead people have been voting for Democrats for a long time. It's time they had a candidate who truly represents them."

    In 2000, a dead man was elected to a Missouri Senate seat. He was, of course, a Democrat.
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  101. @PiltdownMan
    It is interesting to note that, long before they got to know each other in WWII, FDR and Churchill had not dissimilar jobs simultaneously in WW1. FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy during much of Churchill's tenure as First Lord of the Admiralty, which lasted until the end of 1915.

    The two navies were quite dissimilar in size, but it is possible that the two might have formal contact, despite Churchill's job being one level up from FDR's, protocol wise. While Britain was preoccupied with the war at that point and the US was at peace, the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915 resulted in over a hundred Americans drowning, which must surely have resulted in telegrams between the two departments.

    It's also interesting to note that there is a record of what Teddy Roosevelt thought of Winston Churchill. Not much, it seems, until fairly late in TR's life when he might have come around.

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-163/churchill-proceedings-churchill-and-theodore-roosevelt

    Churchill was pretty much on the outs shortly after Gallipoli went awry. He ended up fighting on the front lines in France to get himself back in the game the only way available to him. He was likely above FDR’s rank before the fall, then rapidly below.

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  102. @Kylie
    Now it will be: Clinton has pneumonia so can we just stop talking about her health now?

    After the next "medical episode" it will be: Clinton had a reaction to the medication she's taking for her pneumonia so can we just stop talking about her health now?

    Etc., etc., etc.

    I expect we will see her “health issues” made into a virtue. “Look how courageous Hillary is!”

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    Exactly. Then, don't forget the gender card. "Would a man be criticized for trying to power through an illness? No! He would be congratulated for being tough! Life is so unfair to women!"

    The real problem is that politicians learn that you can almost always make one problem go away by spinning it. Then, they spin the next problem. Eventually, they are so far away from reality that everything is spin - until a rude dose of reality breaks the illusion.

    Hilldabeast is right at the breaking point.
    , @Kylie
    "I expect we will see her 'health issues' made into a virtue. 'Look how courageous Hillary is!'"

    Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest "medical episode" would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her. Ability and suitability are no longer the primary criteria for many ventures and occupations. Deservingness based on victimhood (socual oppression) and lack of ability are.

    I predict the left will even clsim that Trump is bullying Hillary with his vastly greater stamina and energy.

    We live not in just interesting times but in truly deranged times.

    , @Jack Highlands
    Here ya go:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/09/clinton-stamina/499538/
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  103. Watching the second video of Hillary getting into the van I feel like I’m watching “Weekend at Bernie’s”, but that can’t be because Bernie lost.

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    am I right that there is only one video of the incident, but in the internet there are two versions shown, on the original and the other the mirrored?
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  104. The smart thing to do would be to find a way to sabotage her own campaign, so Trump wins, and she can retire.

    No question. Her debate preppers will have her so full of snarky, focus-group tested retorts to a mention of her health, that if he studiously avoids the issue, she’ll probably not only be distracted, but eventually blurt out one of them out of the blue, at which point he can step in, “Well, now that you mention it …”

    “Yes, cute one-liners are great. But they won’t save you from the stress of being Commander in Chief. You are asking the American people to be cruel; you are asking the American people to elect as commander in chief a person who is physically unfit for the job. You are asking the American people to possibly put you into an early grave, and to make the country far less safe in the process.”

    “I hope you’re right, Hillary. I hope you’re healthy enough to bear the burden of being Commander in Chief of the United States of America, because you’re a major party’s nominee. I just don’t believe it. And I shudder at the prospect of you having another “episode” and being dragged into a van to be held incommunicado for hours, while the country is living through the next Bay of Pigs, or 9/11.”

    “When people show a good chance of hurting themselves, sometimes their loved ones decide to intervene, even if that means denying them a cherished goal for health reasons.”

    Words to that effect, with a lot more polish of course.

    The fact of the matter is, the video clearly shows she didn’t “stumble.” She completely lost her ability to walk or stand. Her legs turned to jello, and she was dragged into the van like a rag doll.

    I didn’t watch the video, but I didn’t have to; the New York Times reported that her feet were dragging the ground as she was “hoisted” (their word, mind you) into the van.

    The BBC had WaPo’s Abby Philip on today – she didn’t use any words like ‘collapsed’ or ‘fainted’ to describe what happened. The Guardian has amended its “Hillary leaves early because overheated” story to add “Video posted by a bystander to Twitter appeared to show the former secretary of state extremely unsteady and supported by aides, being helped from the curb into a vehicle.”

    How about “collapsing and falling into the car” ?

    Even the NYT is being more honest than this. When the American press is being more honest about American politics than the British press is, they call it a glitch in the Matrix.

    She limps along she gets sympathy.

    Lots of Eeyores on this blog. No, sympathy is not voting a dying old woman into the CiC seat. It’s voting for her opponent, to spare (and the country) the ordeal.

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  105. Trump’s chances of winning went way up the second the video of cankles dragging on the pavement, sans a shoe, went viral.

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  106. The pneumonia gambit makes it clear Hillary is in it for the long haul. She is going to try to finesse this. If she were to win , this would be a coup and cover-up of historic proportion. Trump needs to play his hand deftly. He needs to release exhaustively his medical records, demanding she do the same. She obviously never will. Then pound her on this. Hillary can not be allowed to win with such obvious illness/frailty. I have never been more afraid for my country.

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    • Replies: @AnonAnon

    He needs to release exhaustively his medical records, demanding she do the same.

     

    Nope, nope, nope. Not even. Not unless they have absolutely nothing in them. They will be picked apart extensively, taking the focus off her health. All Trump has to do is sit back and let her hang herself. She has been looking sicker and sicker the last few weeks. Her illness and the stress of the campaign will do her in, causing more public episodes.

    Trump should do what he is doing - keeping up his insane rally schedule. This week he has two rallies a day, in two different states - six appearances in six states this week. People aren't stupid, they can see a vast difference in energy between the two. If the issue matters to people they'll pick up on it. If you want to help get her defeated post the video of her collapse everywhere you can.
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  107. The simple fact is that there is zero evidence that anything is seriously wrong with Clinton.

    Five minutes later:

    Well, that is no longer operative.

    These people are really shameless in the who/whom dept. For 40 years, “no longer operative” was considered by leftists to be a prime example of Orwellian methods and Nixonian deviousness and bald faced lying and not something that you would ever deploy with a straight face. But now it is being used without any irony at all. And this is BEFORE the election. If Hillary manages to drag herself across the finish line I predict that her administration will make Nixon’s look like the epitome of candor in comparison. I have said this before, but there are many parallels between Nixon and Hillary – the paranoid belief that conspiratorial forces are arrayed against them, the comeback 8 years after being defeated, etc. If there is a Hillary Presidency, it will probably end as disastrously as Nixon’s.

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  108. The biggest news yesterday was that DJT held his tongue after Hillary’s health “episode” at the 9/11 memorial. I believe his odds of winning this election are now better than even.

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  109. @Desiderius
    They were both in San Juan, where Churchill was covering the Spanish-American War. Can't remember if they met.

    They were both in San Juan, where Churchill was covering the Spanish-American War. Can’t remember if they met.

    Churchill was there in 1895, covering the Spanish offensive against the Cuban rebels. In 1898, at the time of the Spanish-American war, Churchill was in the Sudan, at Omdurman.

    Winston Churchill and Theodore Roosevelt met a couple of years later, in 1900, in Albany, New York.

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  110. @Desiderius
    They were both in San Juan, where Churchill was covering the Spanish-American War. Can't remember if they met.

    It is interesting that Churchill was so well acquainted with the media.

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  111. @Clyde
    The first sane comment from Nick Diaz. You are making progress brother! Trump|Pence|Fence2016

    My god. No wonder Steve doesn’t censor the opposing views. If it’s the same Nick Diaz, iSteve is the f***ing borg.

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  112. @Steve Sailer
    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing. It’s just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It’s a nice thing to be.

    Hypomania has been described as a non-narcotic analog to a cocaine high.

    Donald Trump has always been clean as a whistle, by his account. I expect that as a young tycoon in ’80s New York in the midst of the glamorous scene in that decade—the world of Jay McInerney’s early fiction—the Donald must have been surrounded by mounds of the white stuff.

    It is impressive that he did not succumb to temptation but hypomania would have made the drug easier to ignore.

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    There are those of us with racing minds for whom the white powder never did anything.

    I remember being surrounded by friends agog and zipping, while I sat there feeling nothing. I have a mind that won't quit, to a fault, and I've always thought this was the reason.

    Either that or my nasal passages are just too dry from years in the mountains to let anything through the membranes.

    Trump deserves a lot of credit for going through Manhattan's debauched period, enjoying lots of women, without ever succumbing to the crap that lots of losers did. His is undeniably iron clad.
    , @Forbes
    The cocaine scene in NYC (or anywhere) was not hard to ignore--even if it was all around--it's called impulse control, self-discipline, and future-time orientation. Many who participated did so for the excitement, the novelty, to be part of the scene (follow the crowd), etc. Part of being in-charge of oneself and one's faculties is to not partake in the latest fads and fashions. When you know who you are, when you're comfortable in your own skin, it's not hard to make your own choices in life. This fits Trump to a "T".
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  113. OT: Politico released its “Politico 50″ list and our boy Stephen Miller is at spot #2, which he shares with Jeff Sessions.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/politico50

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    Needs more diversity. No blacks, Hispanics, Asians.
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  114. “Can we just stop talking about Hillary Clinton’s health…”

    Of course we can. Perhaps the writer meant ‘may we’?

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  115. @Thomas
    @Cernovich caught that Hillary has been having public fainting spells as far back as 2005: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/31/clinton/ She's been on Coumadin since 1998. There's no way the press can honestly say that her health is only now in question.

    I can't see Hillary dropping out, assuming that the key determining factor is whether she personally chooses to or not. She's nakedly wanted to be President her entire life. The early 1992 Clinton campaign floated the slogan "two for the price of one." She's gone from Wellesley and Yale Law and the start of a promising career in her late 20s in Washington to having to suffer the indignities of marriage to Bill, following him to spend almost two decades in Arkansas, never being a favorite of the press until she was the last thing standing between them and the Donald, being beaten by a first-term Senator who came out of nowhere and then having to accept serving as his subordinate, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to admit that she'd rather die on the campaign trail than finally flick all of that in to end up as a historical footnote. What else does she have in her life? In a way, she's something of a stark reflection of a portion of the Baby Boom generation as it enters what should be retirement age: haunted by a feeling of unfulfilled potential without enough time left to do anything about it.

    In this sense, one could call the press Hillary enablers in more ways than one: they may be allowing a woman to kill herself, in front of a national audience, rather than say aloud what is becoming increasingly obvious.

    She’s been on Coumadin since 1998.

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me. Not to offend anyone with heart disease or congestive heart disease, but, let’s face it, this is a relevant data point when we are talking about electing someone pushing 70 to be POTUS who has been having heart issues for almost 20 years.

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    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?!
     
    No, and I expect a little more nuance from you. Here are the details:

    On Wednesday, WND reported Hillary Clinton’s publicly available medical records show she was first placed on Lovenox, a blood thinner, in 1998 to treat blood-clotting problems in her legs on extended airplane flights. The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.

     

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/doctor-hillary-taking-rat-poison-for-blood-clots/#YqAia9x8jPcyyhyH.99
    , @dearieme
    It's also taken as a prophylactic against stroke e.g. by people prone to atrial fibrillation.
    , @JL

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me.
     
    Not necessarily. Warfarin (Coumadin) is prescribed for hyper coagulation, not heart disease. It's been the anti-coagulate of choice, actually pretty much the only one, for decades. Of course, some potential long-term effects are coming out now. However, in general, its major side effect is the potential to bleed out, either due to trauma or internal bleeding. It is very difficult to dose and constant blood testing is necessary. The newer anticoagulants don't require constant tests, but the bleeding risk is still there.

    As a side note, not many people realize how it works as rat poison. It's not like the rats eat it and suddenly keel over. It acts the same way as in people. Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out.
    , @Forbes
    My father didn't start on Coumadin until he was 80, and there's a history of heart disease in the family.
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  116. What goes around comes around.

    The Soviet Union’s elusiveness about something as basic as the health of its leaders is all too typical of the Kremlin approach to world affairs, and provides further cause for doubt about candor and honesty in any dealings with Moscow.

    Just exactly what is the condition of Soviet President Konstantin Chernenko, and why the continued mystery in such matters? Western diplomats said Tuesday the abrupt cancellation of a Warsaw Pact summit could be a sign that a high Kremlin official, possibly Chernenko , is ill.

    In Sofia, Bulgaria, where the mid-January summit of Soviet bloc nations was to take place, foreign political experts speculated the session had been postponed because the 73-year-old Chernenko was too ill to make his first journey abroad since taking office in Februrary 1984. Chernenko, head of both the Soviet government and the Communist Party, has made no public appearances for nearly three weeks. He is known to have respiratory problems, which can be aggravated by the kind of sub-freezing weather that has prevailed in Moscow since late November.

    If someone such as U.S. President Ronald Reagan or Britain Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has so much as a case of the sniffles, the world knows about it and is regularly updated. In the past four years, three Soviet leaders have been plagued by medical problems and two of them have died. If a nation cannot even be frank about something of this nature, how can it be trusted on other issues?

    Soviet President Yuri V. Andropov died in February of 1984 after a lengthy illness that kept him out of the public eye for six months, but pronouncements in his name were frequently carried in the Soviet press up to his death. Before that, Leonid Brezhnev’s health was a major issue in dealings, or the lack of them, with Moscow. But there was no explanation from the Kremlin.

    Chernenko appeared frail and fought for breath during the Dec. 27 awards ceremony for Soviet writers, his most recent public appearance. His address, taped for broadcast, was punctuated by dozens of gasps. The awards ceremony came three days after Chernenko failed to attend the funeral of Defense Minister Dmitri F. Ustinov on Dec. 24, one of the coldest days of this winter. Chernenko also missed the 1983 May Day parade, one of the Soviet Union’s major holidays when the leadership views a workers’ parade through Red Square. A worker in Chernenko’s office said at the time that he had pneumonia. Chernenko disappeared from view last summer from July 13 to Sept. 15.

    The health issue for Soviet leaders is further proof that the Kremlin has grave doubts about the merits of the concept that “Honesty is the best policy.” Such a consistently negative, and paranoid, attitude clearly carries over into other international dealings.

    From Journal-World 1985.

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  117. Now using the press to solidify the “pneumonia” narative

    Pneumonia Had Reportedly Sickened Others In Clinton’s Brooklyn Headquarters

    http://gothamist.com/2016/09/12/pnemonia_clinton_sick.php

    I guess Hillary tried to pass it on to that little girl outside her daughter’s apartment apartment

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  118. Allies of Trump need to start beating the drum for her to drop out *now. We demand the DNC pressure her out, or live with the consequences of President Trump. They may be waiting and hoping to push her through the election by the skin of her teeth, but what is their backup plan? Their backup plan is to have her drop out in late October and get the GOPe congress, who hates Trump, to pass a bipartisan law for an emergency suspension and reimagining of the election. A do-over. Bye, bye Trump.

    They will play upon sympathy for a sick old woman, “You wouldn’t hold an old woman’s Parkinson’s against her and the country she loves would you?”

    Yes, I would and I will. Because she is knowingly covering it up and so is the DNC. They must call for her to drop out now while there is still time for a fair election with someone else. Democrats: speak now, or forever hold your peace.

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  119. @SPMoore8
    She’s been on Coumadin since 1998.

    She's been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me. Not to offend anyone with heart disease or congestive heart disease, but, let's face it, this is a relevant data point when we are talking about electing someone pushing 70 to be POTUS who has been having heart issues for almost 20 years.

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?!

    No, and I expect a little more nuance from you. Here are the details:

    On Wednesday, WND reported Hillary Clinton’s publicly available medical records show she was first placed on Lovenox, a blood thinner, in 1998 to treat blood-clotting problems in her legs on extended airplane flights. The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/doctor-hillary-taking-rat-poison-for-blood-clots/#YqAia9x8jPcyyhyH.99

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    Nothing personal, I don't do nuance for HRC. I want her in a D-Con commercial.
    , @AnotherDad

    The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.
     
    So it's only four years.

    My dad's in a very nice retirement facility. A friend of his is on coumadin and asked how he's doing will say something like--"on the knife edge between stroking out and bleeding to death." This is just try to hang on when the body's not working medicine. Mostly old folks--"better than dying"-- medicine. That we have a candidate that is trying to *enter* the presidency already on coumadin is a ridiculous joke.

    Boy the press didn't even show up to challenge the Clintons at all. Not their protection racket. No Hillary's serial incompetence\failures. Not Hillary's medical unfitness. Nothing. And these people style themselves guardians of the truth ... or something. Pathetic.

    But hey, an opportunity for Trump. A few more people are noticing that Hillary is a greedy grasping entitled POS.

    Downside: the one upside of Hillary winning is that she's so hectoring and obnoxious i'd thought she would turn off a generation of folks--whites at least--from Democrats and leftist bullying. (Sort of Jimmy Carter.) Now i think she'll just die or retire and leave the job to Kaine who--never seen him operate--is probably smoother and less obnoxious.
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  120. @SPMoore8
    She’s been on Coumadin since 1998.

    She's been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me. Not to offend anyone with heart disease or congestive heart disease, but, let's face it, this is a relevant data point when we are talking about electing someone pushing 70 to be POTUS who has been having heart issues for almost 20 years.

    It’s also taken as a prophylactic against stroke e.g. by people prone to atrial fibrillation.

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    Yes, indeed, it's meant to ward off the threat of strokes. At age 51? That's not good.
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  121. @SPMoore8
    She’s been on Coumadin since 1998.

    She's been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me. Not to offend anyone with heart disease or congestive heart disease, but, let's face it, this is a relevant data point when we are talking about electing someone pushing 70 to be POTUS who has been having heart issues for almost 20 years.

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me.

    Not necessarily. Warfarin (Coumadin) is prescribed for hyper coagulation, not heart disease. It’s been the anti-coagulate of choice, actually pretty much the only one, for decades. Of course, some potential long-term effects are coming out now. However, in general, its major side effect is the potential to bleed out, either due to trauma or internal bleeding. It is very difficult to dose and constant blood testing is necessary. The newer anticoagulants don’t require constant tests, but the bleeding risk is still there.

    As a side note, not many people realize how it works as rat poison. It’s not like the rats eat it and suddenly keel over. It acts the same way as in people. Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out.

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    "Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out."

    Until Ratsputin comes along with his miracle cures.
    , @Jack D
    At some point the rat's coagulating ability is so impaired that spontaneous internal bleeding begins. They don't need to bite each other.

    The reason warfarin is attractive as a rat poison is that it is slow acting. Rats will send a young rat to sample an unknown food source and will avoid it if the young rat keels over. But they can eat a warfarin bait for days before the effects are felt.
    , @SPMoore8
    Most of us -- I'm certainly not the only one -- who have been involved in caring for elderly relatives know Coumadin because it is prescribed after heart attacks and/or atrial fibrillation to offset the threat of a stroke. So we know about its dangers, its side effects, and the need for constant bloodwork. I am sincerely shocked that a 51 year old would need to take such drugs. Not to disqualify anyone from running for the presidency, but ......
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  122. This is all some of that clever Clinton triangulation. She’s actually decided to get the country to believe she will be dead before spring in order to win over the massive portion of the country who detest the idea of either Clinton or Trump as president.

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  123. @PhysicistDave
    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse. My prediction: they are evil for talking about it because she is elderly, and these sorts of things just happen to the elderly.

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a "woman thing": she is of course post-menopausal, but I wouldn't bet that they won't try that ploy.

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of "Don't Dump Hillary!", since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse.

    Don’t worry. They’re on it:

    It’s easy to understand why the Clinton campaign would want to keep this kind of news a secret. The candidate doesn’t trust the media. The right has been hitting her over supposed health issues for months (and even years), and the assault has picked up in intensity over the past week or so — since Clinton found herself in the midst of an extended coughing fit at a campaign event in Cleveland. Then there’s the gender dynamic.

    http://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health

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    Then there’s the gender dynamic.
     
    Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this "gender dynamic". Oh, no, wait....
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  124. @Olorin

    The simple fact is that there is zero evidence that anything is seriously wrong with Clinton.
     
    Bingo.

    And the DNC and UniParty intend to keep it that way. Any mediabot who dissents will never work in Bartertown again. (Bust a deal, face the wheel. Oh look! Gulag!)

    Says the reporter who points out that others weighing in with questions aren’t physicians. Irony knows no bounds.

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  125. @reiner Tor
    I wouldn't get worked up about all this. She's still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.

    I wouldn’t get worked up about all this. She’s still more likely to win, one way or another. Or Trump will win, only to find himself unable to turn around the direction of things.

    I take it Reiner Eeyore was already claimed as a handle? But seriously, I’m just funning you. MAGA!

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  126. @Jack Hanson
    Yeah, the Dem that couldn't beat Hillary will easily beat Trump.

    Go back to your corner chair. The bull will be by shortly.

    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.

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    Yeah, because Biden has never had any health problems that could be easily pounced upon.

    Bernie Sanders is fucking ancient.
    , @Forbes
    Remind us what Bernie, Biden, and Kaine are doing right now? Playing 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fiddle to Hillary?

    Did someone mention a bubble...
    , @Shitposter Supreme
    Disregarding the chaos that would come from swapping out Clinton this late, and ignoring the ballot access issue, I can't see a white male ever winning a presidential election as a Democrat ever again. Assuming the Democratic Party isn't broken by a Trump victory, I doubt we'll even see another white female candidate
    , @Jack Hanson
    "Candidate who couldn't beat a sick old woman and never stood up to fight the Donald would have SURELY beat Trump says this poll from the Daily Beast!"

    Yah okay. Don't involve me in you getting your sick kicks.
    , @Jefferson
    "Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble."

    In the 21st Century so far the GOP has been 2-0 against the Democrats in presidential elections everytime the Dems pick a cisgender heterosexual White guy to up against the GOP. The Democrats are at their strongest when they pick a woman or a Nonwhite to go up against the GOP.

    Which is not surprising because the DNC is the anti-White male party, so a lot of their Nonwhite Left Wing voting base are extremely turned off about the idea of voting for a White guy for president. A lot of African American, Asian, and Hispanic voters sat out the 2000 and 2004 elections because they were just not excited about voting for Stale Pale Males like John Kerry and Al Gore.

    Donald Trump would crush Tim Kaine or Bernie Sanders for example, but The Donald would struggle against a Kamala Harris or Cory Booker.
    , @whorefinder
    lol. just lol.

    your delusions are breath taking.

    And that's before you remember Trump and his surrogates were actively working to prop Bernie up and push pro-Bernie stories---which delayed his exit considerably. Trump wanted Bernie bashing Hillary good, long, and hard, and got his wish.

    Dear goodness, what have you been drinking?

    Now, a lot of this magical thinking about every other possible D beating Trump "soundly" is largely coming from (1) sore-loser Bernie voters; and (2) people in the camps of Biden, Warren, Kaine, etc. The latter group to try to force Hillary off the ballot and get on without having to do any campaigning, and the former group out of spite against Hillary.

    (My favorite ones are the people claiming that Michelle Obama would be a shoe in. Yeah, a lazy, ugly, rude, America-hating tranny with no political experience going up against The Donald in a debate, and stumbling around on the campaign trail like a deer in the headlights? Talk about living in a bubble!)

    Also, let's not forget Kaine was head of the DNC himself; I'm betting he has a lot of personal connections still on there, just five years later. Whatever the new ticket, I don't think he'll be kicked off it.

    But it's all just circle-jerk nonsense. if she gets replaced, Trump will slaughter.

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  127. @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing. It’s just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It’s a nice thing to be.
     
    Hypomania has been described as a non-narcotic analog to a cocaine high.

    Donald Trump has always been clean as a whistle, by his account. I expect that as a young tycoon in '80s New York in the midst of the glamorous scene in that decade—the world of Jay McInerney's early fiction—the Donald must have been surrounded by mounds of the white stuff.

    It is impressive that he did not succumb to temptation but hypomania would have made the drug easier to ignore.

    There are those of us with racing minds for whom the white powder never did anything.

    I remember being surrounded by friends agog and zipping, while I sat there feeling nothing. I have a mind that won’t quit, to a fault, and I’ve always thought this was the reason.

    Either that or my nasal passages are just too dry from years in the mountains to let anything through the membranes.

    Trump deserves a lot of credit for going through Manhattan’s debauched period, enjoying lots of women, without ever succumbing to the crap that lots of losers did. His is undeniably iron clad.

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    Staying up all night so you can be a wreck of a person the next day was never an attraction.
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  128. @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania.

    Yeah, I think Trump’s like the Teddy Roosevelt of our day.

    Bill Clinton, before his heart troubles, also seemed to have a good deal of hypomania. Too much of it, though, went to the wrong head.

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    Too much of it, though, went to the wrong head.
     
    While i prefer a faithful family man like myself--we all tend to think we're pretty neat--i prefer these alpha male presidents to work out their excess energy with that other head, rather than dreaming up new ways to screw us.

    The US needs an immigration moratorium, some financial regulation\rationalization to cull useless financial activity and a trading (financial transactions) tax. Otherwise it needs radically less government meddling. Peeling back a good bit of existing agencies, regulations and law would be a benefit.

    And if these guys just need something else to do to be a "big man" ... by all means get a mistress.
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  129. According to NBC News, Hillary’s latest setback has brought up the real question: is Donald Trump—a shadowy figure who emerged recently from obscurity and about whom we know nothing—healthy enough to be President of the United States?

    From an article that apparently took five people to write:

    To be sure, we know vastly more about Clinton’s health than we do about Donald Trump’s. Not only is the information released by her campaign more comprehensive than that released by his, but Clinton has lived her life in the national spotlight for 25 years.

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    I absolutely agree with this article. Haven't we seen DT dissolve into uncontrollable coughing fits many times? Wasn't he thrown into a medivan like a sack of potatoes just yesterday? Hasn't he been wearing funny glasses after his concussion? All of these things are deeply concerning.

    What's that you say, these things happened to Hillary, not the Donald? In that case, never mind, nothing to see here folks, move along.
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  130. @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know if hypomania is really a thing. It’s just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It’s a nice thing to be.
     
    Hypomania has been described as a non-narcotic analog to a cocaine high.

    Donald Trump has always been clean as a whistle, by his account. I expect that as a young tycoon in '80s New York in the midst of the glamorous scene in that decade—the world of Jay McInerney's early fiction—the Donald must have been surrounded by mounds of the white stuff.

    It is impressive that he did not succumb to temptation but hypomania would have made the drug easier to ignore.

    The cocaine scene in NYC (or anywhere) was not hard to ignore–even if it was all around–it’s called impulse control, self-discipline, and future-time orientation. Many who participated did so for the excitement, the novelty, to be part of the scene (follow the crowd), etc. Part of being in-charge of oneself and one’s faculties is to not partake in the latest fads and fashions. When you know who you are, when you’re comfortable in your own skin, it’s not hard to make your own choices in life. This fits Trump to a “T”.

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  131. Is WaPo going to turn to armed resistance if Trump wins?

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  132. @SPMoore8
    She’s been on Coumadin since 1998.

    She's been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me. Not to offend anyone with heart disease or congestive heart disease, but, let's face it, this is a relevant data point when we are talking about electing someone pushing 70 to be POTUS who has been having heart issues for almost 20 years.

    My father didn’t start on Coumadin until he was 80, and there’s a history of heart disease in the family.

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    One family member I know started at 85, another at 93. It's not a medicine I associate with middle age. It's also not a medicine I associate with good health.
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  133. @Ed
    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.

    Yeah, because Biden has never had any health problems that could be easily pounced upon.

    Bernie Sanders is fucking ancient.

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  134. She just needs a little R&R, so she’s spending the Weekend at Bernie’s.

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  135. @Ed
    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.

    Remind us what Bernie, Biden, and Kaine are doing right now? Playing 2nd, 3rd, and 4th fiddle to Hillary?

    Did someone mention a bubble…

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  136. At the risk of stating the obvious, the hag has been on Warfarin for a couple of years since her embolism.

    It’s well known Warfarin is a rat poison.

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  137. Brain Surgeon Told Biden He Had Less Than 50% Chance of ‘Being Completely Normal’

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brain-surgeon-told-biden-he-had-less-50-chance-being-completely-normal

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  138. @Buzz Mohawk
    There are those of us with racing minds for whom the white powder never did anything.

    I remember being surrounded by friends agog and zipping, while I sat there feeling nothing. I have a mind that won't quit, to a fault, and I've always thought this was the reason.

    Either that or my nasal passages are just too dry from years in the mountains to let anything through the membranes.

    Trump deserves a lot of credit for going through Manhattan's debauched period, enjoying lots of women, without ever succumbing to the crap that lots of losers did. His is undeniably iron clad.

    Staying up all night so you can be a wreck of a person the next day was never an attraction.

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  139. No, not quite yet; and can we begin discussing how irresponsible she is?

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  140. WWTGD?

    What Will the Globalists Do if Hillary has to drop out?

    What tricks do they have up their sleeves?

    A body double? A robot?

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    WWTGD?

    What Will the Globalists Do if Hillary has to drop out?

    What tricks do they have up their sleeves?

    A body double? A robot?
     
    Just pick someone else who would carry their water.
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  142. @Steve Sailer
    Hypomania is a good thing to have: Teddy Roosevelt had it.

    Teddy Roosevelt was not a good thing.

    But he was probably healthy.

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    "Teddy Roosevelt was not a good thing." - he did to Taft what Ross Perot did to Bush. Because of TR we ended up with Federal Reserve, income tax and WW I.
    , @Flip
    He died at 60 though.
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  143. @PhysicistDave
    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse. My prediction: they are evil for talking about it because she is elderly, and these sorts of things just happen to the elderly.

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a "woman thing": she is of course post-menopausal, but I wouldn't bet that they won't try that ploy.

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of "Don't Dump Hillary!", since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    She already said people are questioning her health because she’s a woman, whatever that means. So it’s a short step.

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  144. “Calling Dr. Kornfeld, Dr. Murray, Dr. Kornfeld!”

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  145. @Lot
    Television watching is much lower than it used to be.

    it is also the much more cognitive demanding activity than what most people do most of the time by now, which is strolling down some meme centered internet sites or Facebook

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  146. @Lugash
    This guy is way too fat to be a Secret Service agent. Or, at least one that's not protected because he's a Clinton stooge. He doesn't seem to be wearing a bullet proof vest, and he's not positioning himself to protect her from danger.

    And then there's the white guy on the right side of the video with his mystery medicine that he takes out of his suit pocket, then puts into his shirt pocket.

    Hillary does deliver a fair zinger about Trumps sons and hunting though.

    He’s a medical assistant.

    He first showed up at Bill Clinton’s side right after he had his open heart surgery and was at his side for many months thereafter in case things went side-ways for the ex-prez.

    The fact he is not far from Hillary’s side when in public is a indication she is quite sick. The only other public figure that has a minder like this is Gabby Giffords.

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  147. Here’s a link to a site that has more information about Hillary’s health than I have been able to find anywhere else. The site’s conclusion? Hillary has Parkinson’s …

    http://stateofthenation2012.co…

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  148. @Lot
    I'm not sure that that the focus on Hillary's health will help Trump in the end. She'll probably look fine in the first debate, which will be a positive with him raising expectations of her being tired or sickly.

    Maybe the president is special, but voters routine elect decrepit 80 and 90 year olds to the Senate.

    The best issue for Trump is crime. He should be accusing Hillary of siding with criminals over the police and put her in the no-win situation of endorsing or disavowing BLM.

    Trump is staying pretty quiet about her health, not hammering it. So it wouldn’t be him raising expectations of her falling apart at the debates. But you’re right, anything short of Hillary projectile vomiting blood will be perceived as debunking health-related conspiracy theories by the MSM.

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    He's playing it the best way possible.

    He's giving Hillary the rope to hang herself.

    Here's why, the MSM and Hillary's campaign is already painting this as a loose shoe/pneumonia sort of thing. IOW nothing to see here, all is fine instead of the seizure she really had.

    So if she has another episode between now and election it will just look even worse.
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  149. Washington Post Last Tuesday: “Can We Just Stop Talking About Hillary Clinton’s Health Now?”

    The media at large has almost stopped talking about it, not even 24 hours after she collapsed, an episode that many just yesterday were calling a game changing campaign event. The Post and NBC news still have her health related fainting spell and fall on 9/11 as a main headline, but ABC news doesn’t. They only have Trump’s reaction to her “health” as a headline. (Maybe there’s something in there about her fall at the memorial.)

    CBS news has her health as a lesser headline. Google (as of now) has nothing about it in their compilation of main headlines, and nothing in their US news headlines. If you scroll way down, there’s a headline – again, about her “health” – in the elections headlines.

    The megaphone power switch has officially been turned “off.” The story won’t be found anywhere by the day after tomorrow. And how long did Trump’s six pointed star remain a headline on Google?

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    ABC news has just put Hillary's incident back up as a headline. Who knows for how long.
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  150. @J1234

    Washington Post Last Tuesday: "Can We Just Stop Talking About Hillary Clinton’s Health Now?"
     
    The media at large has almost stopped talking about it, not even 24 hours after she collapsed, an episode that many just yesterday were calling a game changing campaign event. The Post and NBC news still have her health related fainting spell and fall on 9/11 as a main headline, but ABC news doesn't. They only have Trump's reaction to her "health" as a headline. (Maybe there's something in there about her fall at the memorial.)

    CBS news has her health as a lesser headline. Google (as of now) has nothing about it in their compilation of main headlines, and nothing in their US news headlines. If you scroll way down, there's a headline - again, about her "health" - in the elections headlines.

    The megaphone power switch has officially been turned "off." The story won't be found anywhere by the day after tomorrow. And how long did Trump's six pointed star remain a headline on Google?

    ABC news has just put Hillary’s incident back up as a headline. Who knows for how long.

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  151. @Daniel Williams

    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse.
     
    Don't worry. They're on it:

    It's easy to understand why the Clinton campaign would want to keep this kind of news a secret. The candidate doesn't trust the media. The right has been hitting her over supposed health issues for months (and even years), and the assault has picked up in intensity over the past week or so — since Clinton found herself in the midst of an extended coughing fit at a campaign event in Cleveland. Then there's the gender dynamic.
     
    http://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health

    Then there’s the gender dynamic.

    Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this “gender dynamic”. Oh, no, wait….

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    "Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this “gender dynamic”. Oh, no, wait…."

    Even though women on average tend to live longer than men, most high energy senior citizens tend to be men and not women. Who are the female senior citizen versions of Donald Trump, Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Vince McMahon, Sylvester Stallone,and William Shatner when it comes to having high energy? Is this evidence that women on average are the inferior sex?
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  153. @Daniel Williams
    According to NBC News, Hillary's latest setback has brought up the real question: is Donald Trump—a shadowy figure who emerged recently from obscurity and about whom we know nothing—healthy enough to be President of the United States?

    From an article that apparently took five people to write:

    To be sure, we know vastly more about Clinton's health than we do about Donald Trump's. Not only is the information released by her campaign more comprehensive than that released by his, but Clinton has lived her life in the national spotlight for 25 years.
     
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-s-health-scare-9-unanswered-questions-n646551

    I absolutely agree with this article. Haven’t we seen DT dissolve into uncontrollable coughing fits many times? Wasn’t he thrown into a medivan like a sack of potatoes just yesterday? Hasn’t he been wearing funny glasses after his concussion? All of these things are deeply concerning.

    What’s that you say, these things happened to Hillary, not the Donald? In that case, never mind, nothing to see here folks, move along.

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    What’s that you say, these things happened to Hillary, not the Donald? In that case, never mind, nothing to see here folks, move along.
     
    I think the important thing to remember is that we don't really know anything about Trump: his past, his history—it's all a big question mark. The man blew into town like Clint Eastwood's character in A Fistful Of Dollars and started stirring things up.

    Where did he come from? Is he healthy? These are all reasonable questions for the newshounds at NBC. After all, Hill's been a public figure for a long time.

    Now if only someone at the Democratic Party would actually listen, and then start compiling some opposition research on the man. The clock is ticking—the election's coming soon!
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  154. Anonym:

    “My god. No wonder Steve doesn’t censor the opposing views. If it’s the same Nick Diaz, iSteve is the f***ing borg”

    You guys are unbelievably stupid. Nowhere do I agree with Sailer. Did you even read what I wrote? Here is what I wrote:

    “As much as I loath Donald Trump and everything that he stands for…”

    I made it clear that I am in no way a Trump supporter, nor do I agree with the blog owner’s political views.

    This is simply a case of “pick your poison”. I obviously prefer Hillary’s politics, but the problem is that I disapprove Hillary the person. So, if I have to pick, I prefer Trump. Does this mean I endorse Trump’s politics? NO.

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  155. Others have noted that Hillary should not be hugging children if she has pneumonia and that cough. Here is a 30 second GSK commercial about the Big Bad Cough, a take on the big bad wolf. Check it out and picture Hillary in the role of the grandmother/wolf.

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    It is said that she has aspiration pneumonia ... however, they don't want to admit that because it relates to Parkinson's Disease.
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  156. @David
    Are most TV news programs broadcasting the video of Hillary passing out? NPR and NYT are definitely understating it, saying "stumbled," "tripped" and "had to be helped." The Times says more further into their article on it.

    I think it's odd that so little video of the incident have come to light. The scene we see from two angles opens with Hillary propped up against a concrete post, apparently completely unable to move. How did she get there without news cameras following her movements?

    Is it odd that the secret service forms a parameter not to protect her from harm but from the prying eyes of cameras? I think so. They obviously see protecting her shot at the White House as part of their job. And it doesn't look as if they are unpracticed as handling such episodes.

    Is it odd that the secret service forms a parameter not to protect her from harm but from the prying eyes of cameras? I think so.

    Absolutely — I had the same impression when I saw it.

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  157. @iSteveFan
    Others have noted that Hillary should not be hugging children if she has pneumonia and that cough. Here is a 30 second GSK commercial about the Big Bad Cough, a take on the big bad wolf. Check it out and picture Hillary in the role of the grandmother/wolf.

    It is said that she has aspiration pneumonia … however, they don’t want to admit that because it relates to Parkinson’s Disease.

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  158. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    According to what I’ve been reading, about half her senior staff have been pretty sick too, so their illnesses have been keeping Hillary sick and running down her energy for the past several weeks. Frankly, this is great news for Trump. At Hillary’s age, you don’t recover quickly from pneumonia. She’s got about 8 weeks before the election. She cannot afford to be down for the count at this time period, along with much of her campaign staff, because we’re heading into the final sprint. In military terms, you can’t lose your general and officer corps if you want to win the battle.

    It’s fitting that a set of people who thought nothing encouraging mass emigration of unaccompanied children from Central and South America, bringing diseases like Enterovirus 68 into the American population, should themselves be flattened by disease. They need to face the reality of why you don’t want the Third World here.

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  159. The suspicious might think that this diagnosis is being proffered as something that is fairly quickly curable but might not allow her to debate Trump as planned.

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  160. @JL

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me.
     
    Not necessarily. Warfarin (Coumadin) is prescribed for hyper coagulation, not heart disease. It's been the anti-coagulate of choice, actually pretty much the only one, for decades. Of course, some potential long-term effects are coming out now. However, in general, its major side effect is the potential to bleed out, either due to trauma or internal bleeding. It is very difficult to dose and constant blood testing is necessary. The newer anticoagulants don't require constant tests, but the bleeding risk is still there.

    As a side note, not many people realize how it works as rat poison. It's not like the rats eat it and suddenly keel over. It acts the same way as in people. Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out.

    “Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out.”

    Until Ratsputin comes along with his miracle cures.

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  161. @JL

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me.
     
    Not necessarily. Warfarin (Coumadin) is prescribed for hyper coagulation, not heart disease. It's been the anti-coagulate of choice, actually pretty much the only one, for decades. Of course, some potential long-term effects are coming out now. However, in general, its major side effect is the potential to bleed out, either due to trauma or internal bleeding. It is very difficult to dose and constant blood testing is necessary. The newer anticoagulants don't require constant tests, but the bleeding risk is still there.

    As a side note, not many people realize how it works as rat poison. It's not like the rats eat it and suddenly keel over. It acts the same way as in people. Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out.

    At some point the rat’s coagulating ability is so impaired that spontaneous internal bleeding begins. They don’t need to bite each other.

    The reason warfarin is attractive as a rat poison is that it is slow acting. Rats will send a young rat to sample an unknown food source and will avoid it if the young rat keels over. But they can eat a warfarin bait for days before the effects are felt.

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  162. @guest
    Teddy Roosevelt was not a good thing.

    But he was probably healthy.

    “Teddy Roosevelt was not a good thing.” – he did to Taft what Ross Perot did to Bush. Because of TR we ended up with Federal Reserve, income tax and WW I.

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  163. @guest
    Teddy Roosevelt was not a good thing.

    But he was probably healthy.

    He died at 60 though.

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  164. @The most deplorable one

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?!
     
    No, and I expect a little more nuance from you. Here are the details:

    On Wednesday, WND reported Hillary Clinton’s publicly available medical records show she was first placed on Lovenox, a blood thinner, in 1998 to treat blood-clotting problems in her legs on extended airplane flights. The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.

     

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/doctor-hillary-taking-rat-poison-for-blood-clots/#YqAia9x8jPcyyhyH.99

    Nothing personal, I don’t do nuance for HRC. I want her in a D-Con commercial.

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    Nothing personal, I don’t do nuance for HRC. I want her in a D-Con commercial.
     
    Well done! My button doesn't work again, but i actually did laugh out loud.
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  165. @Ed
    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.

    Disregarding the chaos that would come from swapping out Clinton this late, and ignoring the ballot access issue, I can’t see a white male ever winning a presidential election as a Democrat ever again. Assuming the Democratic Party isn’t broken by a Trump victory, I doubt we’ll even see another white female candidate

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  166. @JimboHarambe
    Does this mean that the ability to open a pickle jar is not absolute proof that someone is 100% healthy?

    How do we know the pickle jar hadn’t already been opened?

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  167. @Gilbert P
    I was sceptical about the neuro ailment, but the latest video from the 4 o'clock angle is gruesome.
    Also strange is Hillary emerging fresh as a daisy (with pneumonia) to announce that she is fine. Why not take a day or two off if there's nothing to hide.
    As some said earlier, it's starting to get tragic.

    The flu can make you feel like you’ve been run over by a truck. I would think that pneumonia would make you feel worse than that. No one with recently diagnosed pneumonia would be out in public instead of in bed, would they?

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  168. @Jack D
    I absolutely agree with this article. Haven't we seen DT dissolve into uncontrollable coughing fits many times? Wasn't he thrown into a medivan like a sack of potatoes just yesterday? Hasn't he been wearing funny glasses after his concussion? All of these things are deeply concerning.

    What's that you say, these things happened to Hillary, not the Donald? In that case, never mind, nothing to see here folks, move along.

    What’s that you say, these things happened to Hillary, not the Donald? In that case, never mind, nothing to see here folks, move along.

    I think the important thing to remember is that we don’t really know anything about Trump: his past, his history—it’s all a big question mark. The man blew into town like Clint Eastwood’s character in A Fistful Of Dollars and started stirring things up.

    Where did he come from? Is he healthy? These are all reasonable questions for the newshounds at NBC. After all, Hill’s been a public figure for a long time.

    Now if only someone at the Democratic Party would actually listen, and then start compiling some opposition research on the man. The clock is ticking—the election’s coming soon!

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    I think the important thing to remember is that we don’t really know anything about Trump: his past, his history—it’s all a big question mark. The man blew into town like Clint Eastwood’s character in A Fistful Of Dollars and started stirring things up.
     
    Trump's been a fixture on the scene in NYC, America's media capital, for several decades. And he's never been one of those shy, reclusive billionaires. There is no dirt out there on Trump. In fact the opposite is the case - the press have slimed a man with a long history of good deeds and philanthropy. For example

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_National_Fund_Tree_of_Life_Award

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/05/flashback-rev-jesse-jackson-praises-trump-reaching-inclusive/
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  169. @Forbes
    My father didn't start on Coumadin until he was 80, and there's a history of heart disease in the family.

    One family member I know started at 85, another at 93. It’s not a medicine I associate with middle age. It’s also not a medicine I associate with good health.

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  170. This is interesting if true.

    “In a stunning turn of events, the Democratic National Committee is set to hold an emergency meeting to discuss replacing Hillary Clinton as the Democratic presidential nominee”

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dnc-emergency-meeting-replacing-clinton/

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  171. @dearieme
    It's also taken as a prophylactic against stroke e.g. by people prone to atrial fibrillation.

    Yes, indeed, it’s meant to ward off the threat of strokes. At age 51? That’s not good.

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  172. @JL

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?! Since she was 51 years old? This sounds pretty serious to me.
     
    Not necessarily. Warfarin (Coumadin) is prescribed for hyper coagulation, not heart disease. It's been the anti-coagulate of choice, actually pretty much the only one, for decades. Of course, some potential long-term effects are coming out now. However, in general, its major side effect is the potential to bleed out, either due to trauma or internal bleeding. It is very difficult to dose and constant blood testing is necessary. The newer anticoagulants don't require constant tests, but the bleeding risk is still there.

    As a side note, not many people realize how it works as rat poison. It's not like the rats eat it and suddenly keel over. It acts the same way as in people. Rats are prone to fighting with each other, and any wound is instantly fatal as they bleed out.

    Most of us — I’m certainly not the only one — who have been involved in caring for elderly relatives know Coumadin because it is prescribed after heart attacks and/or atrial fibrillation to offset the threat of a stroke. So we know about its dangers, its side effects, and the need for constant bloodwork. I am sincerely shocked that a 51 year old would need to take such drugs. Not to disqualify anyone from running for the presidency, but ……

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    What I'm saying is that it can be prescribed for those conditions, but also for many others as well. I was on it for a short time myself, in my mid-30s, after a DVT. I am generally in good health and shape. I don't want to get too into it, but there were doctors who recommended taking it for life, just in case. As an avid downhill skier, I've calculated that my risk of bleeding out is higher than a repeat DVT.

    Anyway, I digress. My point was just a clarification on the medication. Clinton is obviously gravely ill. It's crazy because she shouldn't keep going, but she will, because becoming president is her only reason to be alive.

    In other news, there are now rumors that it was a body double out on the street talking to that little girl, which is funny because when I saw a picture of that it immediately struck me that she had lost a lot of weight.
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  173. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

    Churchill no doubt would have avoided the black dog if he’d quit drinking. His consumption was astonishing, and dealing with cycle of hangovers no doubt held him back. Hillary is suffering from the effects of being a woman with ordinary energy trying to compete with a man with a ton of natural energy. Trump’s made himself a public figure for decades, unlike other businessmen. I think he has so much energy that business alone bores him.

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  174. @pepperinmono
    The pneumonia gambit makes it clear Hillary is in it for the long haul. She is going to try to finesse this. If she were to win , this would be a coup and cover-up of historic proportion. Trump needs to play his hand deftly. He needs to release exhaustively his medical records, demanding she do the same. She obviously never will. Then pound her on this. Hillary can not be allowed to win with such obvious illness/frailty. I have never been more afraid for my country.

    He needs to release exhaustively his medical records, demanding she do the same.

    Nope, nope, nope. Not even. Not unless they have absolutely nothing in them. They will be picked apart extensively, taking the focus off her health. All Trump has to do is sit back and let her hang herself. She has been looking sicker and sicker the last few weeks. Her illness and the stress of the campaign will do her in, causing more public episodes.

    Trump should do what he is doing – keeping up his insane rally schedule. This week he has two rallies a day, in two different states – six appearances in six states this week. People aren’t stupid, they can see a vast difference in energy between the two. If the issue matters to people they’ll pick up on it. If you want to help get her defeated post the video of her collapse everywhere you can.

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  175. @Mr. Anon
    "Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her."

    Dead people have been voting for Democrats for a long time. It's time they had a candidate who truly represents them.

    Liars are deplorable.

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  176. @David In TN
    I expect we will see her "health issues" made into a virtue. "Look how courageous Hillary is!"

    Exactly. Then, don’t forget the gender card. “Would a man be criticized for trying to power through an illness? No! He would be congratulated for being tough! Life is so unfair to women!”

    The real problem is that politicians learn that you can almost always make one problem go away by spinning it. Then, they spin the next problem. Eventually, they are so far away from reality that everything is spin – until a rude dose of reality breaks the illusion.

    Hilldabeast is right at the breaking point.

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  177. @guest
    Trump is staying pretty quiet about her health, not hammering it. So it wouldn't be him raising expectations of her falling apart at the debates. But you're right, anything short of Hillary projectile vomiting blood will be perceived as debunking health-related conspiracy theories by the MSM.

    He’s playing it the best way possible.

    He’s giving Hillary the rope to hang herself.

    Here’s why, the MSM and Hillary’s campaign is already painting this as a loose shoe/pneumonia sort of thing. IOW nothing to see here, all is fine instead of the seizure she really had.

    So if she has another episode between now and election it will just look even worse.

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    I was going to make a similar point about recurrence.

    My best guess is that the problem behind her pneumonia -- if that's indeed what it is -- is a chronic one, and isn't going to go away by taking a few days rest. Once she goes back on the campaign, she's going to run into the same issue.

    One piece of evidence of this being a chronic and serious condition is that she basically took all of August off -- except, of course, to show up at the homes of friends/donors who would hardly represent a demanding audience. Why would she reduce her schedule to such events if she were in robust health? If all that near vacation time didn't enable her to come out vigorous in September, and instead left her in the wasted condition we have seen, then she very likely has a pretty serious thing going on that will flair up as soon as she returns to a genuinely challenging schedule.

    What is her staff going to say when she has still another bout of "pneumonia"? And if she goes missing as she did in August without any explanation, how is that going to be spun in a way that won't be hugely damaging?

    My guess is that Hillary -- with Bill at her side "encouraging" her -- is in some deep denial about her health. I think she's just hoping against hope to make it through to the end without a big problem, but that there's high likelihood she's going to fall apart before she gets there.
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  178. @SPMoore8
    Most of us -- I'm certainly not the only one -- who have been involved in caring for elderly relatives know Coumadin because it is prescribed after heart attacks and/or atrial fibrillation to offset the threat of a stroke. So we know about its dangers, its side effects, and the need for constant bloodwork. I am sincerely shocked that a 51 year old would need to take such drugs. Not to disqualify anyone from running for the presidency, but ......

    What I’m saying is that it can be prescribed for those conditions, but also for many others as well. I was on it for a short time myself, in my mid-30s, after a DVT. I am generally in good health and shape. I don’t want to get too into it, but there were doctors who recommended taking it for life, just in case. As an avid downhill skier, I’ve calculated that my risk of bleeding out is higher than a repeat DVT.

    Anyway, I digress. My point was just a clarification on the medication. Clinton is obviously gravely ill. It’s crazy because she shouldn’t keep going, but she will, because becoming president is her only reason to be alive.

    In other news, there are now rumors that it was a body double out on the street talking to that little girl, which is funny because when I saw a picture of that it immediately struck me that she had lost a lot of weight.

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  179. @whorefinder

    By the way, wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th? ...She should just vanish and have her surrogates try to lure Trump into giving his opinion of Mother Theresa’s beatification or whatever
     
    She's famous for her autistic-like way of ruining her speechwriter's phrases in her final edits, and her bizarre things to focus on (Libya! Alt-Right!). She, quite frankly, doesn't "get" normal human interaction, doesn't think about long-term consequences to actions, and is a piss-poor campaigner. She just doesn't understand how people react to her antics, which explains her famous rages at how the idiot plebeians just don't fall at her feet and make her the First Female President, like she deserves. It also explains her absolutely awful job as Sec of State---she can't relate to anybody, and can't fake it.

    I'm sure the DNC and her staff are floating this idea to her, but she's angrily shooting it down, and that they're asking Bill to convince her to do it. Much like in the way they tried to shoot down her Alt-Right speech, they will fail, unless she becomes medically incapacitated.

    She's claiming she needs to show "strength" on the trail, and she just had a "bad day." I'm betting she's in total denial about how bad that video made her look (although she does want that poor guy who shot it to, well, "commit suicide" with two gun shots in the back of his head).

    That said, she also has a huge ego and love for the spotlight, like all big national politicians. I don't think any candidate for a major party, no matter how sick and flailing, would agree to a two-week "timeout." It's just not how such persons operate; that would cut off the supply of oxygen to her brain.

    And Trump would make mincemeat out of such a decision, especially at the (maybe now-cancelled) debates: "Hey Hillary, nice to see you out and about. It's been so long since anyone's seen you. You need a hand getting back to your podium?"

    On a side note, watch the Left's rhetoric get increasingly violent over the next two weeks, as they panic and try to get someone to take a literal shot at Trump. Now that Hillary is seen as weak, their brains will immediately go to the next option, which is eliminationist rhetoric.

    If I was the son-of-a-bitch that shot that vid I’d be visiting with Snowden right about now. Take a long vaca where Clinton investigators don’t die in job lots in the matter of weeks.

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  180. Hillary’s the Norwegian Blue of candidates. They’ll nail her to her perch before admitting she isn’t viable.

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  181. @David In TN
    I expect we will see her "health issues" made into a virtue. "Look how courageous Hillary is!"

    “I expect we will see her ‘health issues’ made into a virtue. ‘Look how courageous Hillary is!’”

    Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest “medical episode” would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her. Ability and suitability are no longer the primary criteria for many ventures and occupations. Deservingness based on victimhood (socual oppression) and lack of ability are.

    I predict the left will even clsim that Trump is bullying Hillary with his vastly greater stamina and energy.

    We live not in just interesting times but in truly deranged times.

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    "Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest “medical episode” would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her. Ability and suitability are no longer the primary criteria for many ventures and occupations. Deservingness based on victimhood (socual oppression) and lack of ability are."

    If the American people prefer to elect a candidate who coughs more than AIDS patient Eazy E did in Straight Outta Compton, than America deserves to go down like a sinking ship.

    A country is only as desirable at it's demographics. If we now have a demographic in America that is willing to elect an unhealthy person for POTUS simply because she has a D next to her name and was born with a vagina than the Left has already won the demographic culture war against the Right. There is nothing to fight for anymore, we lost. All we can do is just bitch until we die.
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  182. @Steve Sailer
    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

    Little bit tangential, but one thing to remember about Churchill, is that he was right, ahead of time, on the horrible strategy behind the Somme and the other 1915-16 offensives. He predicted the outcome, had a better plan, and then ended up being an office on the line implementing the suicidal offensives. So he had little trust in the generals and feared a repeat- very few of us could resist pushing alternatives after that experience.

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  183. @David In TN
    I expect we will see her "health issues" made into a virtue. "Look how courageous Hillary is!"
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    I told you this was what they would do.
    , @SPMoore8
    If you focus on the best rated comments first, it's hilarious reading.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The best comment on that article is this one:

    Hillary could shit herself on stage and the Atlantic would have a headline boasting "Hillary bravely supports the incontinent".
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  184. We can go back to the basket of deplorables. Clinton aide Brian Fallon said there was no apology to Trump supporters and that the number of bigots, etc., was non-zero. Therefore, no apology for collective guilt by association.

    Fine. What is the non-zero number? Most, many, x-millions? And what is the non-zero numbers of Clinton supporters who are bigots, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, etc.? I’m sure it’s a non-zero number. There are blacks who are prejudiced against gays, hispanics who are prejudiced against women and so on.

    Is it the Hillary position (just stop) that Trump supporters are flawed and hers are not? Is Mr. Fallon saying that their s**t stinketh not?

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  185. @Mr. Anon
    "Many of the people in this country are so fucked up, even if Hillary died, they probably would elect her."

    Dead people have been voting for Democrats for a long time. It's time they had a candidate who truly represents them.

    “Dead people have been voting for Democrats for a long time. It’s time they had a candidate who truly represents them.”

    In 2000, a dead man was elected to a Missouri Senate seat. He was, of course, a Democrat.

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  186. @res
    Contrast Hillary's schedule with Trump's:
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule
    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

    Five events in five states in the next three days. How does a 70 year old man maintain that kind of energy?!

    Melania.

    When the woman who crawls into bed with you is 24 years your junior and an ex-model … it’s gotta help.

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  187. @Peripatetic commenter
    WWTGD?

    What Will the Globalists Do if Hillary has to drop out?

    What tricks do they have up their sleeves?

    A body double? A robot?

    WWTGD?

    What Will the Globalists Do if Hillary has to drop out?

    What tricks do they have up their sleeves?

    A body double? A robot?

    Just pick someone else who would carry their water.

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  188. @PhysicistDave
    It will be interesting to see how the Clinton camp tries to demonize the media for talking about her collapse. My prediction: they are evil for talking about it because she is elderly, and these sorts of things just happen to the elderly.

    What would really be amusing is claiming that it was a "woman thing": she is of course post-menopausal, but I wouldn't bet that they won't try that ploy.

    Trump supporters should be leading the cry of "Don't Dump Hillary!", since she should be the easiest of any likely Democrat to beat.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    I have seen feminists do exactly that on twitter. According to them, Hillary’s health problems are just normal health issues for older women and that we think there’s a problem proves that the voice of old witches is unfairly suppressed in the media. Basically “older women’s bodies are frail, real, authentic human bodies that (insert bodily function) and that’s beautiful and you’re a sexist for demanding toxic masculine strength and that’s ageist etc “.

    You won’t be be surprised to learn that nutty feminists also push the narrative that to older women’ bodies are not any more fragile than anyone else’s and that it’s sexist and ageist to think that Hillary is anything other than a strong, tough as nails leader who personifies an “absolute, rock solid steadiness”.

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  189. @Spmoore8
    Nothing personal, I don't do nuance for HRC. I want her in a D-Con commercial.

    Nothing personal, I don’t do nuance for HRC. I want her in a D-Con commercial.

    Well done! My button doesn’t work again, but i actually did laugh out loud.

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    Thanks, my buttons frequently don't work, either.

    Here's another entry in the "Hillary was so brave to collapse" literary sweepstakes (just make sure you aren't drinking coffee or something when you read it):

    http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

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  190. @candid_observer
    Yeah, I think Trump's like the Teddy Roosevelt of our day.

    Bill Clinton, before his heart troubles, also seemed to have a good deal of hypomania. Too much of it, though, went to the wrong head.

    Too much of it, though, went to the wrong head.

    While i prefer a faithful family man like myself–we all tend to think we’re pretty neat–i prefer these alpha male presidents to work out their excess energy with that other head, rather than dreaming up new ways to screw us.

    The US needs an immigration moratorium, some financial regulation\rationalization to cull useless financial activity and a trading (financial transactions) tax. Otherwise it needs radically less government meddling. Peeling back a good bit of existing agencies, regulations and law would be a benefit.

    And if these guys just need something else to do to be a “big man” … by all means get a mistress.

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  191. @another fred
    Watching the second video of Hillary getting into the van I feel like I'm watching "Weekend at Bernie's", but that can't be because Bernie lost.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSjZXNjlapQ

    am I right that there is only one video of the incident, but in the internet there are two versions shown, on the original and the other the mirrored?

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  192. @Father O'Hara
    And she looks into his eyes and cries,"Its you, Donnie,its always been you!"

    Team Trump can’t figure out why The Donald insists on doing wind sprints the exact distance of the podiums as part of “pre-debate prep” but he says that it’ll all be worth it.

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  193. @Ed
    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.

    “Candidate who couldn’t beat a sick old woman and never stood up to fight the Donald would have SURELY beat Trump says this poll from the Daily Beast!”

    Yah okay. Don’t involve me in you getting your sick kicks.

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  194. @reiner Tor
    OT

    They need to postpone the Austrian presidential elections (which have to be repeated because, unprecedented in the history of first world democratic elections, there was substantiated suspicion of widespread electoral fraud), because the voting ballots can be tampered with.

    Co-incidentally, the anti-immigration candidate is now leading with a wide margin in the polls.

    the voting ballots can be tampered with.
    —-
    Good to know that they’re putting it off to make sure that it’s a legitimate poll.
    I thought that they had put it off to buy time to cheat the nationalist candidate out of winning, again.
    I guess things like that can happen in a country where the institutions have NOT all been marched through, yet.

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  195. @whorefinder

    Clinton’s health doesn’t help him much.
     
    *Spits out coffee.*

    She drops out another Dem will almost certainly defeat him, soundly.
     
    He defeated 16 other seasoned, well-funded politicians in the primary where the party heads were openly talking about denying him the nomination even if he got the most delegates, and now is leading a former secretary of state/first lady, and you still think it's all just a fluke?

    And that just anyone stepping in with a D on their name will beat Trump?

    Man, Scott Adams called Trump's win in August 2015, and Hillary's health problems in December 2015, and people still aren't listening to him.

    She limps along she gets sympathy.
     
    Yeah....that's what we vote for in a presidential candidate....sympathy.

    Seriously, this whole meme of "so many other D's on the bench would have beat Trump right now" is one of the most fantastic delusions of the elections. We have mountains of evidence Trump is a master campaigner, and people like you are still in denial about it.

    I’m telling you man, it’s like battered wife syndrome around here.

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  196. @Ed
    Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.

    “Bernie out polled Hillary vs Trump throughout. He, Biden & Kaine would trounce Trump but you stay in your little bubble.”

    In the 21st Century so far the GOP has been 2-0 against the Democrats in presidential elections everytime the Dems pick a cisgender heterosexual White guy to up against the GOP. The Democrats are at their strongest when they pick a woman or a Nonwhite to go up against the GOP.

    Which is not surprising because the DNC is the anti-White male party, so a lot of their Nonwhite Left Wing voting base are extremely turned off about the idea of voting for a White guy for president. A lot of African American, Asian, and Hispanic voters sat out the 2000 and 2004 elections because they were just not excited about voting for Stale Pale Males like John Kerry and Al Gore.

    Donald Trump would crush Tim Kaine or Bernie Sanders for example, but The Donald would struggle against a Kamala Harris or Cory Booker.

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  197. @Anonymous Nephew
    The BBC had WaPo's Abby Philip on today - she didn't use any words like 'collapsed' or 'fainted' to describe what happened. The Guardian has amended its "Hillary leaves early because overheated" story to add "Video posted by a bystander to Twitter appeared to show the former secretary of state extremely unsteady and supported by aides, being helped from the curb into a vehicle."

    How about "collapsing and falling into the car" ?

    I think Touré had the best description of what happened :

    We have a video of Clinton entering a van and getting help entering, as is common among human beings.

    — (((Touré))) (@Toure) September 11, 2016

    mic drop after that one, definitely lol

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  198. Spin, spin, spin. On front page of NYTimes, it says right now “Hillary Loses Balance at 9/11 Memorial”. Not “Loses Consciousness” but “Loses Balance” – you see the poor woman just stumbled a bit (right before her handlers heaved her into the medivan like a sack of potatoes).

    And then it says “Watching, and Wincing , as Hillary Stumbles”. Again, she just stumbled -maybe her heel got caught on a imperfection in the pavement (right before her handlers heaved her into the medivan like a sack of potatoes). I’m sure if it was Trump who stumbled, the reported would have winced in exactly the same way (right before she started cheering).

    And then more good news – “Clinton to Offer More Detailed Information on Medical History”. However, a spokesman said the records would show “no other undisclosed condition.” Nothing to see here folk, move along.

    Nothing but good news for Hillary today! Any more good news like this and she is undone. Trump may be Scottish and German but the man has the luck of the Irish.

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    The New York Times article also quotes her doctor claiming Hillary's normal blood pressure is 100/65. They claim this is on the low side of the normal range, which isn't true, and could be causing her to faint. I seriously doubt a woman Hillary's age with her BMI could get a blood pressure reading consistently at 100/65 unless it was a side effect of other drugs she was taking.
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  199. @anon930
    OT: Politico released its "Politico 50" list and our boy Stephen Miller is at spot #2, which he shares with Jeff Sessions.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/politico50

    Needs more diversity. No blacks, Hispanics, Asians.

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  200. @AnotherDad

    Nothing personal, I don’t do nuance for HRC. I want her in a D-Con commercial.
     
    Well done! My button doesn't work again, but i actually did laugh out loud.

    Thanks, my buttons frequently don’t work, either.

    Here’s another entry in the “Hillary was so brave to collapse” literary sweepstakes (just make sure you aren’t drinking coffee or something when you read it):

    http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

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    This Peter Daou guy is particularly unhinged in his support for Hillary.
    I've seen him tweet that basically any and all criticism of Hillary is because of sexism, period. In this article he quotes himself several times.
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  201. @Jack D

    Then there’s the gender dynamic.
     
    Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this "gender dynamic". Oh, no, wait....

    “Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this “gender dynamic”. Oh, no, wait….”

    Even though women on average tend to live longer than men, most high energy senior citizens tend to be men and not women. Who are the female senior citizen versions of Donald Trump, Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Vince McMahon, Sylvester Stallone,and William Shatner when it comes to having high energy? Is this evidence that women on average are the inferior sex?

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    Queen Elizabeth, Betty White, Nancy Reagan (until she died), Olivia de Havilland, etc.
    , @guest
    Most high-energy anyone tends to be male. Men are simply more highly motivated. Testosterone!
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  202. @The most deplorable one

    She’s been talking rat poison for 18 years!?!
     
    No, and I expect a little more nuance from you. Here are the details:

    On Wednesday, WND reported Hillary Clinton’s publicly available medical records show she was first placed on Lovenox, a blood thinner, in 1998 to treat blood-clotting problems in her legs on extended airplane flights. The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.

     

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/doctor-hillary-taking-rat-poison-for-blood-clots/#YqAia9x8jPcyyhyH.99

    The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.

    So it’s only four years.

    My dad’s in a very nice retirement facility. A friend of his is on coumadin and asked how he’s doing will say something like–”on the knife edge between stroking out and bleeding to death.” This is just try to hang on when the body’s not working medicine. Mostly old folks–”better than dying”– medicine. That we have a candidate that is trying to *enter* the presidency already on coumadin is a ridiculous joke.

    Boy the press didn’t even show up to challenge the Clintons at all. Not their protection racket. No Hillary’s serial incompetence\failures. Not Hillary’s medical unfitness. Nothing. And these people style themselves guardians of the truth … or something. Pathetic.

    But hey, an opportunity for Trump. A few more people are noticing that Hillary is a greedy grasping entitled POS.

    Downside: the one upside of Hillary winning is that she’s so hectoring and obnoxious i’d thought she would turn off a generation of folks–whites at least–from Democrats and leftist bullying. (Sort of Jimmy Carter.) Now i think she’ll just die or retire and leave the job to Kaine who–never seen him operate–is probably smoother and less obnoxious.

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    Kaine is a POS. He got elected governor here in Virginia promising not to raise taxes. But as soon as he was inaugurated, he found an unexpected $900 million hole in the budget that could only be cured by raising the sales tax. After that was done, he "unexpectedly" found that there was no hole in the budget after all. Mark Warner pulled the same stunt. Standard Democratic BS.

    I told my daughter that if she wants more Mexicans and higher taxes, go ahead and vote D.

    , @Jefferson
    "Now i think she’ll just die or retire and leave the job to Kaine who–never seen him operate–is probably smoother and less obnoxious."

    Is there any Non Jewish White male Democratic politicians that you don't like? Even though they are just as equally pro-open borders as the Democrats who are women, Nonwhite, and Jewish.

    Crooked Hildabeast would not have added Tim Kaine to her presidential ticket if she did not believe that he is pro-invite the world.
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  203. @Kylie
    "I expect we will see her 'health issues' made into a virtue. 'Look how courageous Hillary is!'"

    Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest "medical episode" would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her. Ability and suitability are no longer the primary criteria for many ventures and occupations. Deservingness based on victimhood (socual oppression) and lack of ability are.

    I predict the left will even clsim that Trump is bullying Hillary with his vastly greater stamina and energy.

    We live not in just interesting times but in truly deranged times.

    “Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest “medical episode” would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her. Ability and suitability are no longer the primary criteria for many ventures and occupations. Deservingness based on victimhood (socual oppression) and lack of ability are.”

    If the American people prefer to elect a candidate who coughs more than AIDS patient Eazy E did in Straight Outta Compton, than America deserves to go down like a sinking ship.

    A country is only as desirable at it’s demographics. If we now have a demographic in America that is willing to elect an unhealthy person for POTUS simply because she has a D next to her name and was born with a vagina than the Left has already won the demographic culture war against the Right. There is nothing to fight for anymore, we lost. All we can do is just bitch until we die.

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    :If the American people prefer to elect a candidate who coughs more than AIDS patient Eazy E did in Straight Outta Compton, than America deserves to go down like a sinking ship."

    That's how I felt when they elected a mulatto community organizer/asbestos remover who openly disdained America's white majority and attended a hate-filled church.

    Twice.

    Feel free to chime in here any time, Lagertha.

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  204. @SPMoore8
    Thanks, my buttons frequently don't work, either.

    Here's another entry in the "Hillary was so brave to collapse" literary sweepstakes (just make sure you aren't drinking coffee or something when you read it):

    http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

    This Peter Daou guy is particularly unhinged in his support for Hillary.
    I’ve seen him tweet that basically any and all criticism of Hillary is because of sexism, period. In this article he quotes himself several times.

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  205. @bomag


    Is this the same Nick Diaz?
     
    Yeah, very non-sequitur.

    It is not the usual cadence and word usage, so I suspect a cut-and-paste. Even so, to follow things closely enough to find and use such a comment is a cosmic leap for Nick, if it is indeed him.

    One of the more interesting aspects of the culture here at iSteve is the trolls that get thru, especially given Steve’s habit of pruning more inflammatory comments.

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  206. Here’s a question I haven ‘t seen asked: Has Hillary ever received a Pneumovax shot? This sort of vaccine is recommended for everyone over 63 or so. If she hasn’t received one, why not?

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  207. More on the Wince article-

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/magazine/watching-and-wincing-as-clinton-stumbles.html?_r=0

    here is the money quote:

    Clinton was not just lacking in the physical stamina required to fight ISIS, [Trump] said, “but the mental stamina”; his team often spoke of her as “frail.”

    In turning illness into a personality flaw, a dangerous side effect of femaleness, Trump most likely made it all the more difficult for Clinton to acknowledge straightaway whatever health issue was in fact troubling her, whenever it kicked in in earnest.

    So you see, this is all the misogynist Trump’s fault, no less than if he had beaned her with a 2×4.

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  208. @Jack D
    Spin, spin, spin. On front page of NYTimes, it says right now "Hillary Loses Balance at 9/11 Memorial". Not "Loses Consciousness" but "Loses Balance" - you see the poor woman just stumbled a bit (right before her handlers heaved her into the medivan like a sack of potatoes).

    And then it says "Watching, and Wincing , as Hillary Stumbles". Again, she just stumbled -maybe her heel got caught on a imperfection in the pavement (right before her handlers heaved her into the medivan like a sack of potatoes). I'm sure if it was Trump who stumbled, the reported would have winced in exactly the same way (right before she started cheering).

    And then more good news - "Clinton to Offer More Detailed Information on Medical History". However, a spokesman said the records would show “no other undisclosed condition.” Nothing to see here folk, move along.

    Nothing but good news for Hillary today! Any more good news like this and she is undone. Trump may be Scottish and German but the man has the luck of the Irish.

    The New York Times article also quotes her doctor claiming Hillary’s normal blood pressure is 100/65. They claim this is on the low side of the normal range, which isn’t true, and could be causing her to faint. I seriously doubt a woman Hillary’s age with her BMI could get a blood pressure reading consistently at 100/65 unless it was a side effect of other drugs she was taking.

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    Beta blockers and ACE inhibitors would cause that, if that's a true reading and not her quack inventing a number or playing with orthostatic tension to artificially low number.

    No way that's a diagnostic reading.
    , @BenKenobi
    I'm a licensed paramedic -- the rule of thumb for systolic blood pressure is 100 + age of patient.

    Hillary's systolic should be at least 170. Yet another lie.
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  209. So far, I haven’t read a single word from the media about the possibility that Clinton’s pneumonia “diagnosis” is a lie. The rumor that it’s a lie is everywhere, but the media don’t know nuffin. They’re treating the cover story as Gospel Truth, and won’t even mention alternative possibilities.

    Which means, it’s probably a lie. This explanation seems more consistent with the facts, anyway; no politician in her right mind would touch a child for the cameras if she’d just been diagnosed with pneumonia, never mind enter the same apartment with her 2 year old granddaughter. In fact, no pol would do that if her cover story was going to be pneumonia, meaning, the pneumonia story was fabricated by Clinton hacks after it became apparent they’d need a cover story better than “overheating,” because some ignorant peasant concerned citizen recorded the whole thing with his cell phone camera.

    C-note says this thing unravels on Clinton.

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  210. @AnotherDad

    The anticoagulant was replaced with Coumadin, which she began taking after developing a blood clot in her head from a fall and a concussion she suffered in December 2012.
     
    So it's only four years.

    My dad's in a very nice retirement facility. A friend of his is on coumadin and asked how he's doing will say something like--"on the knife edge between stroking out and bleeding to death." This is just try to hang on when the body's not working medicine. Mostly old folks--"better than dying"-- medicine. That we have a candidate that is trying to *enter* the presidency already on coumadin is a ridiculous joke.

    Boy the press didn't even show up to challenge the Clintons at all. Not their protection racket. No Hillary's serial incompetence\failures. Not Hillary's medical unfitness. Nothing. And these people style themselves guardians of the truth ... or something. Pathetic.

    But hey, an opportunity for Trump. A few more people are noticing that Hillary is a greedy grasping entitled POS.

    Downside: the one upside of Hillary winning is that she's so hectoring and obnoxious i'd thought she would turn off a generation of folks--whites at least--from Democrats and leftist bullying. (Sort of Jimmy Carter.) Now i think she'll just die or retire and leave the job to Kaine who--never seen him operate--is probably smoother and less obnoxious.

    Kaine is a POS. He got elected governor here in Virginia promising not to raise taxes. But as soon as he was inaugurated, he found an unexpected $900 million hole in the budget that could only be cured by raising the sales tax. After that was done, he “unexpectedly” found that there was no hole in the budget after all. Mark Warner pulled the same stunt. Standard Democratic BS.

    I told my daughter that if she wants more Mexicans and higher taxes, go ahead and vote D.

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  211. Application of Ockham’s razor is in order here. HRC is known to be
    fond of drink. She might have been on a real spree the night before
    her collapse. A heavy hangover can do that to a person, especially
    an elderly female one.

    -Uncle Jack

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  212. @PiltdownMan
    It is interesting to note that, long before they got to know each other in WWII, FDR and Churchill had not dissimilar jobs simultaneously in WW1. FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy during much of Churchill's tenure as First Lord of the Admiralty, which lasted until the end of 1915.

    The two navies were quite dissimilar in size, but it is possible that the two might have formal contact, despite Churchill's job being one level up from FDR's, protocol wise. While Britain was preoccupied with the war at that point and the US was at peace, the sinking of the Lusitania in 1915 resulted in over a hundred Americans drowning, which must surely have resulted in telegrams between the two departments.

    It's also interesting to note that there is a record of what Teddy Roosevelt thought of Winston Churchill. Not much, it seems, until fairly late in TR's life when he might have come around.

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-163/churchill-proceedings-churchill-and-theodore-roosevelt

    When Churchill became PM in 1940, Roosevelt had the Navy Department dig up his (FDR’s) old official AsstSecNav itineraries to confirm his recollection that he had, in fact, met Churchill before. It was recorded that they were at the same dinner party (at Gray’s Inn) in London in 1918 (this was long after WSC had departed the Admiralty in disgrace), and Roosevelt remembered Churchill as being cocky and condescending. Churchill remembered absolutely nothing at all of Roosevelt which chagrined Roosevelt when the latter brought it up at their next meeting, when they were drawing up the Atlantic Charter, at Argentia in 1941. The conclusion that Churchill had been inebriated at that party seems inescapable.

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  213. She already said people are questioning her health because she’s a woman, whatever that means. So it’s a short step.

    “Hillary, you give feminism a bad name. Most of the women in America are more qualified for the presidency. Of course, very few women in America are as crooked and unhealthy as you are.”

    [Watching TV] is also the much more cognitive demanding activity than what most people do most of the time by now, which is strolling down some meme centered internet sites or Facebook

    I doubt that very much. I remember a study from many years ago, showed that watching TV burns fewer calories than sitting and doing nothing.

    The media at large has almost stopped talking about it, not even 24 hours after she collapsed, an episode that many just yesterday were calling a game changing campaign event.

    It is. This will seep through to the swing voters, and she will start to slip in the polls (assuming they’re accurate). She’s done. As for the media, let the band play on, if that’s their thing.

    Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest “medical episode” would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her.

    You guys (Eeyores or shills) really seem invested in this “media narrative is reality” thing. It isn’t. Voters are less likely to elect a sickly candidate, not more. This also comports with basic decency, which says you don’t put someone who is dying into the Commander in Chief’s seat. Media can spin this how they like; it’s bad for Hillary come election day.

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    "“Hillary, you give feminism a bad name. Most of the women in America are more qualified for the presidency. Of course, very few women in America are as crooked and unhealthy as you are.”

    Crooked Hildabeast loves to play the disenfranchised helpless oppressed victim even though she is part of the privileged 1 percent. Remember when she said if I'm playing the female card than deal me in.
    , @gda
    Bin Laden's words about a preference for the "strong horse" are not restricted to just your typical ME Muslim "Mo".

    The optics of that epic collapse will be unrelenting, particularly where machismo culture thrives. NAM males are not going to be excited to pull that lever for Hillary.
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  214. Two facts:

    1. Trump has kept mum about Hillary’s “episode” yesterday.
    2. The media has dropped Hillary’s “episode” down the memory hole, after primly quoting her doctor’s “diagnosis” as if the Gospel of Christ.

    How long do the Eeyores/shills think both of those things will remain true? Lol. Trump has a month or more to figure out how best to play this. He can run ads showing Hillary being dragged into the van, making the point that the “pneumonia” story is as flimsy as they come. Or he can just tweet it, and watch the media go ape and rebroadcast it a zillion times (they’ll go ape over an ad like that, too). Or whatever slick tactics his brain trust comes up with. One thing’s for sure, they’re not going to let that video go to waste. They’re going to make sure it gets in front of lots and lots of swing voter eyeballs. They didn’t need to pounce on it. They can spend as long as they need to plot out a strategy.

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  215. Hey look, some actual REPORTING just happened!

    http://nypost.com/2016/09/12/clinton-skips-out-on-emergency-room-during-health-episode/

    I mean it’s not much, but it’s all we got.

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    Clinton emerged from her daughter’s Manhattan apartment about two hours after her health crisis, proclaiming, “I’m feeling great. Thanks,” before bizarrely adding: “It’s a beautiful day in New York” — even though thousands of people were still honoring the victims of the terror attack that destroyed the World Trade Center.
     
    Good catch.
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  216. I hope Hillary Clinton does get better and is able to continue because I think Trump can beat her. However, if someone else runs in her place, the Democrats might really rally around that person in a show of solidarity with their party and those Democrats who really don’t like Clinton and would have been inclined to simply not vote would then vote for the new person instead, making it harder for Trump to win.

    I wonder what would happen if the Democrats picked a popular, leftist Hollywood star to run in place of Clinton?

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  217. Read More
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    Which gets to a larger truth: The Republican Party of the Obama years is an ethno-nationalist formation of white Americans."

    The Democratic Party of the Obama years is an ethno-nationalist formation of Nonwhite Americans.

    The idea that the "blackness" of the offenders is the relevant variable is what makes assertions like "blacks commit more crime" racist.

    Poverty is not the relevant variable because if it was than Non Hispanic Native Americans would outnumber Blacks in prison. After all Non Hispanic Native Americans are the poorest demographic group in America, not Blacks. The poverty on the reservations are worst than the poverty in the projects.

    Blacks in cities like Chicago and Baltimore for example aren't murdering each other over water and food.
    , @Boomstick
    Really, Bouie is arguing that any attempt to describe crime statistics by race is invalid by definition. (Well, maybe unless whitey can be blamed for the high crime rate.) He seems to believe that by waving his hands and wishing away the entire premise of the discussion that the data that's trying to be explained goes away.
    , @candid_observer
    What's particularly absurd about Bouie's complaint over citing the hate stat that blacks are more violent than whites is that this is the precise question asked in a poll he himself cites as proof of the racism of Trump supporters.

    So, let's see, Genius J. Bouie, on the one hand it's right and important to ask the question "Are blacks more violent than whites", but if you say, yes, and use as justification the well known statistics on black crime, you are being racist because you bring up being black as a variable?

    And this guy is "Chief Political Correspondent" for Slate, and "Political Analyst" for CBS News?

    Laugh or cry?
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  218. And if Americans weren’t such pig ignorant morons here’s the big issue for The Donald to hit.

    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/a-homerun-for-the-donald-attack-the-feds-war-on-savers-workers-and-the-unborn-taxpayers/

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  219. @Anon
    Churchill no doubt would have avoided the black dog if he'd quit drinking. His consumption was astonishing, and dealing with cycle of hangovers no doubt held him back. Hillary is suffering from the effects of being a woman with ordinary energy trying to compete with a man with a ton of natural energy. Trump's made himself a public figure for decades, unlike other businessmen. I think he has so much energy that business alone bores him.

    There’s a fair amount of evidence that Clinton is a lush.

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  220. @peterike
    Hey look, some actual REPORTING just happened!

    http://nypost.com/2016/09/12/clinton-skips-out-on-emergency-room-during-health-episode/

    I mean it's not much, but it's all we got.

    Clinton emerged from her daughter’s Manhattan apartment about two hours after her health crisis, proclaiming, “I’m feeling great. Thanks,” before bizarrely adding: “It’s a beautiful day in New York” — even though thousands of people were still honoring the victims of the terror attack that destroyed the World Trade Center.

    Good catch.

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  221. @Jefferson
    "Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this “gender dynamic”. Oh, no, wait…."

    Even though women on average tend to live longer than men, most high energy senior citizens tend to be men and not women. Who are the female senior citizen versions of Donald Trump, Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Vince McMahon, Sylvester Stallone,and William Shatner when it comes to having high energy? Is this evidence that women on average are the inferior sex?

    Queen Elizabeth, Betty White, Nancy Reagan (until she died), Olivia de Havilland, etc.

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    Joan Rivers - until her doctor screwed up. (And she was a winner on "Celebrity Apprentice").
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  222. Of course, as everyone here can tell, I don’t write for a living, but if this article is what passes for journalistic employment, maybe I should give it a try.

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  223. @t
    OT: Jamelle Bouie says people who know about HateStat are deplorable:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/trump_s_basket_of_deplorables_hillary_clinton_was_right.html

    He responds to people who site HateStats

    https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/775441440545660928

    Which gets to a larger truth: The Republican Party of the Obama years is an ethno-nationalist formation of white Americans.”

    The Democratic Party of the Obama years is an ethno-nationalist formation of Nonwhite Americans.

    The idea that the “blackness” of the offenders is the relevant variable is what makes assertions like “blacks commit more crime” racist.

    Poverty is not the relevant variable because if it was than Non Hispanic Native Americans would outnumber Blacks in prison. After all Non Hispanic Native Americans are the poorest demographic group in America, not Blacks. The poverty on the reservations are worst than the poverty in the projects.

    Blacks in cities like Chicago and Baltimore for example aren’t murdering each other over water and food.

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  224. Steve, this one’s going to get really juicy.

    Clinton allies criticize campaign over health secrecy

    A lack of transparency about her health has turned what might have been a non-issue into a hugely problematic storyline for Hillary Clinton that could plague the Democratic presidential nominee into November, say allies and confidants.

    Who thinks The Hill is rooting for Trump?

    “Hugely problematic.”

    One ally described the string of events that culminated in Clinton leaving a Sept. 11 memorial early as a “self-inflicted f—ing nightmare.”

    Well, that’s if you buy the pneumonia story, which I don’t. If you don’t buy the pneumonia story, and think something is seriously wrong with Hillary, like I do, then you think that her decision to run for president was the “self-inflicted injury.”

    The rest of the poorly-written, PC garbage article (diversity is our skrenf!) goes on to spin the issue as a problem with Hillary’s honesty, something that is nothing new to the electorate. Unlike her health issues, which could sink her. That’s how bad this is going to get for Hillary; the Dems are spinning the problem as “just more Clinton dishonesty,” in the hopes that it won’t become about her health.

    Clinton campaign manager dodges on pneumonia timeline

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook repeatedly dodged questions about whether he and other top campaign officials knew that the Democratic nominee had been diagnosed with pneumonia before she fell ill in public over the weekend.

    That’s because he doesn’t want to just lie outright, but he also doesn’t want to lend credence to the theory that the “pneumonia” cover story was cooked up after Hillary went around kissing babies.

    In an interview with MSNBC on Monday, anchor Kate Snow asked Mook five times if he knew about the diagnosis, which the Clinton campaign made public Sunday only after video surfaced of her stumbling and needing assistance getting into a van.

    Kate Snow knows the cover is probably BS, and wants to get Mook on the record. Well, now he is on the record, as dodging furiously.

    “I’m not going to get into details about who knew her medical information,”

    Why not? Seems an innocent enough question, if the “pneumonia” story is true. On the other hand, if it’s a lie, there’s plenty of reasons not to get into details.

    “I’m reading between the lines that the staff did not know she had pneumonia,” Snow said.

    “Well look, I want to be fair here, if we’re going to talk about transparency and disclosure, Donald Trump has not released a single piece of information about his health,” Mook responded.

    Oooh, man that was weak. Weak, weak, weak. Hillary’s in trouble.

    Last but not least, an interesting read:

    Why a Trump victory in November is a virtually certainty

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  225. Tim Kaine is ready for the top of the ticket:

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/kaine-talks-like-top-ticket-not-going-lose-race/

    Here’s how it’s gonna go down:

    Tim Kaine has sex reassignment surgery because he has always felt like Bruce Jenner.

    Tim Kaine changes his name to Hillary Clinton to capitalize on the name recognition.

    Democrats win in November!

    (Oh yeah, Hillary is probably already dead.)

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  227. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @whorefinder

    By the way, wouldn’t the smart thing for Hillary to do be to just take two weeks off until the debate with Trump on September 26th? ...She should just vanish and have her surrogates try to lure Trump into giving his opinion of Mother Theresa’s beatification or whatever
     
    She's famous for her autistic-like way of ruining her speechwriter's phrases in her final edits, and her bizarre things to focus on (Libya! Alt-Right!). She, quite frankly, doesn't "get" normal human interaction, doesn't think about long-term consequences to actions, and is a piss-poor campaigner. She just doesn't understand how people react to her antics, which explains her famous rages at how the idiot plebeians just don't fall at her feet and make her the First Female President, like she deserves. It also explains her absolutely awful job as Sec of State---she can't relate to anybody, and can't fake it.

    I'm sure the DNC and her staff are floating this idea to her, but she's angrily shooting it down, and that they're asking Bill to convince her to do it. Much like in the way they tried to shoot down her Alt-Right speech, they will fail, unless she becomes medically incapacitated.

    She's claiming she needs to show "strength" on the trail, and she just had a "bad day." I'm betting she's in total denial about how bad that video made her look (although she does want that poor guy who shot it to, well, "commit suicide" with two gun shots in the back of his head).

    That said, she also has a huge ego and love for the spotlight, like all big national politicians. I don't think any candidate for a major party, no matter how sick and flailing, would agree to a two-week "timeout." It's just not how such persons operate; that would cut off the supply of oxygen to her brain.

    And Trump would make mincemeat out of such a decision, especially at the (maybe now-cancelled) debates: "Hey Hillary, nice to see you out and about. It's been so long since anyone's seen you. You need a hand getting back to your podium?"

    On a side note, watch the Left's rhetoric get increasingly violent over the next two weeks, as they panic and try to get someone to take a literal shot at Trump. Now that Hillary is seen as weak, their brains will immediately go to the next option, which is eliminationist rhetoric.

    I think you may have it backward: if HRC continues to sink in the polls, yet refuses to step down, the powers-that-be will not take a shot at DJT.

    Instead . . .

    The unlikely, but far from impossible scenario is simple – a “crazed lone-nut Trump supporter” is blamed for (whatever happens?) and is himself immediately silenced. The major media quickly hint that DJT ordered (it?) and the and the Democratic Party rides their replacement candidate to victory on the outraged/sympathy vote.

    This is a last-ditch plan, but somewhere, in some very carefully coded file, contingencies are being considered . . .

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    That may be a plan, but that would require the Left to act rationally. From the start, it hasn't. The Left tried to make this Hillary's coronation, then Nasty Bernie stole some voters. Along the way people discovered Hillary has no goals, no plan, no motive other than to be the First Female President. Once Obama got Obamacare through, Hillary had no grand plan to enact.

    And then Trump triggers their amygdala so much. Scott Adams has pointed out that Lefties literally shake with anger when talking about him---their emotions are pushed to the hilt by his presence. Executing him would remove the Bad Man giving them Bad Feels. Executing Hillary and then getting a "winner" in their requires both long-term thinking, suppression of their amygdala for now, and figuring out how to counter Trump/Stone's inevitable gambit against it and blame it all on Trump.

    In short, the Left is primed for a violent, spazzy reaction rather than rational thinking at this point, all to assauge their mental anguish. That points to most of them trying to get people to take a shot at President Trump---or even attacking him themselves.

    Not only do I predict more violent rhetoric from the Left, as well as open calls for assassination of Trump, I expect a few reporters to have some really over-the-top, wild-eyed, hate-filled reactions when speaking with Trump, and will forcefully him or shove him with their microphones or recorders---all telling Freudian (and not so Freudian) slips.

    It will all be their amygdalas overloading at this Evil, Wicked Man who is making them have Bad Feels. I'm beginning to see how Witch Hunts got started back in the day.

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  228. @Jack Highlands
    Here ya go:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/09/clinton-stamina/499538/

    I told you this was what they would do.

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  229. A very rare article in the Washington Post that actually gives Donald Trump credit for doing something right.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/12/trumps-initial-response-to-clintons-basket-of-deplorables-comment-was-a-very-good-one/

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  230. Forget Hillary, what’s the matter with Steve?

    It’s been at least 18 hours since the last post. Did someone successfully re-clutter his garage?

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    Did someone successfully re-clutter his garage?
     
    Don't give Team Hillary any ideas.
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  231. @rod1963
    He's playing it the best way possible.

    He's giving Hillary the rope to hang herself.

    Here's why, the MSM and Hillary's campaign is already painting this as a loose shoe/pneumonia sort of thing. IOW nothing to see here, all is fine instead of the seizure she really had.

    So if she has another episode between now and election it will just look even worse.

    I was going to make a similar point about recurrence.

    My best guess is that the problem behind her pneumonia — if that’s indeed what it is — is a chronic one, and isn’t going to go away by taking a few days rest. Once she goes back on the campaign, she’s going to run into the same issue.

    One piece of evidence of this being a chronic and serious condition is that she basically took all of August off — except, of course, to show up at the homes of friends/donors who would hardly represent a demanding audience. Why would she reduce her schedule to such events if she were in robust health? If all that near vacation time didn’t enable her to come out vigorous in September, and instead left her in the wasted condition we have seen, then she very likely has a pretty serious thing going on that will flair up as soon as she returns to a genuinely challenging schedule.

    What is her staff going to say when she has still another bout of “pneumonia”? And if she goes missing as she did in August without any explanation, how is that going to be spun in a way that won’t be hugely damaging?

    My guess is that Hillary — with Bill at her side “encouraging” her — is in some deep denial about her health. I think she’s just hoping against hope to make it through to the end without a big problem, but that there’s high likelihood she’s going to fall apart before she gets there.

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  232. @Steve Sailer
    I don't know if hypomania is really a thing. It's just being energetic all the time without the depression of manic-depression. It's a nice thing to be.

    Here's an example: Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt were fairly similar personalities (about as similar as two highly distinctive personalities can be, which isn't all that much). My impressive is that Churchill was mildly manic-depressive, while Teddy R. was more hypomanic.

    Churchill was prone to depression (the black dog) now and then, and also sometimes seemed to get manic when things went well, or at least that was the impression of the Americans he had to deal with during the latter part of WWII. Churchill admirers like to point to his plan to invade central Europe from Venice to push the coming Iron Curtain back considerably, which was ignored by the Americans. But Churchill was constantly coming up with grand strategies at this period, which exhausted everybody in contact with him.

    Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast, only seemed to get depressed when loved ones died. Most of his life he was simply functioning at a much higher energy level than anybody else.

    I've always wondered what FDR thought of this TR vs. WC comparison, but have never seen anything on it.

    Churchill was obsessed with winning barfights by kicking the stool out from under your opponent rather than punching them in face. It’s the old “indirect approach,” which is sound strategy. But just because an approach is indirect doesn’t mean it’s not stupid. See his disastrous Dardenelles campaign.

    Grand Designs were Churchill’s preferred method of governance. Coincidentally, they are also easier than actually governing. You can stay up all night, drink your weight, and still be a dreamer. He was also contractorily fond of busywork, doing things he really ought to have left to subordinates. Because he didn’t have the time or competence.

    Such are the makings of “great men.” God, deliver us from great men.

    He did have one good Big Idea. He knew the secret to winning the war: get the U.S. in by hook or by crook, plus make a deal with the devil Stalin. So he won, and the result: goodbye British Empire, hello U.S./Soviet world domination, goodbye Central and Eastern Europe, hello Beveridge Report Welfare State. Basically, goodbye everything Churchill cared about but killing Hitler.

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    It's thoroughly unfathomable that anyone could today, knowing all we know, still have one scintilla of admiration for that self-serving sociopath and sexual deviant, Churchill. It appalls and sickens me.

    Pages 408-409 of Patrick J. Buchanan’s “Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World.”

    The twentieth century was not the British Century. It was the American Century. Churchill believed the two English-speaking peoples would be eternal partners, with British statesmen playing Greeks to America’s Romans. But when Britain was in her darkest hour, FDR shook her down for every dime. Poring over a list of British assets in the Western Hemisphere that Morgenthau had requested, Roosevelt “reacted with the coolness of a WASP patrician: ‘Well, they aren’t bust–there’s lots of money there.'” 211

    Looking back, Alan Clark was appalled by Churchill’s groveling to the Americans:

    “Churchill’s abasement of Britain before the United States has its origins in the same obsession [with Hitler]. The West Indian bases were handed over; the closed markets for British exports were to be dismantled; the entire portfolio of largely private holdings in America was liquidated. ‘A very nice little list,’ was Roosevelt’s comment when the British ambassador offered it. ‘You guys aren’t broken yet.'” 212

    Before Lend-Lease aid could begin, Britain was forced to sell all her commercial assets in the United States and turn over all her gold. FDR sent his own ship, the Quincy, to Simonstown near Cape Town to pick up the last $50 million in British gold reserves. 213

    “[W]e are not only to be skinned but flayed to the bone,” Churchill wailed to his colleagues. 214 He was not far off. Churchill drafted a letter to FDR saying that if America continued along this line, she would “wear the aspect of sheriff collecting the last assets of a helpless debtor.” 215 It was, said the prime minister, “not fitting that any nation should put itself wholly in the hands of another.” 216 Desperately dependent as Britain was on America, Churchill reconsidered, and rewrote his note in more conciliatory tones.

    And FDR knew exactly what he was doing. “We have been milking the British financial cow, which had plenty of milk at one time, but which has now about become dry,” Roosevelt confided to one Cabinet member. 217

    Writes A.J.P. Taylor of how Roosevelt humbled Churchill:

    “Great Britain became a poor, though deserving cousin–not to Roosevelt’s regret. So far as it is possible to read his devious mind, it appears that he expected the British to wear down both Germany and themselves. When all independent powers had ceased to exist, the United States would step in and run the world.” 218

    , @gcochran
    Probably the toughest pat of the deal was getting Hitler to invade the Soviet Union.
    , @Jack D

    Basically, goodbye everything Churchill cared about but killing Hitler.
     
    If he hadn't killed Hitler it would have been goodbye England, goodbye Western civilization. Sometimes you have no good choices and you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Living under the US defense umbrella hasn't worked out badly for the UK - certainly better than a British version of Vichy.
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  233. @t
    OT: Jamelle Bouie says people who know about HateStat are deplorable:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/trump_s_basket_of_deplorables_hillary_clinton_was_right.html

    He responds to people who site HateStats

    https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/775441440545660928

    Really, Bouie is arguing that any attempt to describe crime statistics by race is invalid by definition. (Well, maybe unless whitey can be blamed for the high crime rate.) He seems to believe that by waving his hands and wishing away the entire premise of the discussion that the data that’s trying to be explained goes away.

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  234. @Jefferson
    "Right. Visit any nursing home and you will see far more men than women because we know that women get sick and die sooner than men. Lady Bird Johnson, Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc. all died long before their husbands because of this “gender dynamic”. Oh, no, wait…."

    Even though women on average tend to live longer than men, most high energy senior citizens tend to be men and not women. Who are the female senior citizen versions of Donald Trump, Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Vince McMahon, Sylvester Stallone,and William Shatner when it comes to having high energy? Is this evidence that women on average are the inferior sex?

    Most high-energy anyone tends to be male. Men are simply more highly motivated. Testosterone!

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  235. What I found most interesting about the video is that Mrs. Clinton was held in a strong position prior to her seizure. That is, her handler (pun intended) firmly grasped Mrs. Clinton via the upper arm, minimizing the reaction time necessary to catch and/or stabilize her. Either Mrs. Clinton informed the assistant that she wasn’t feeling well, or SOP is to hold her in a manner than anticipates a fall or seizure.

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    Her staff were strikingly unflustered. They didn't seem to treat anything that happened to her as a unique crisis, just as another day at the office for them all.
    , @Jack D
    Before the medivan comes, she is propped up against the bollard and not really carrying her full weight on her feet.
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  236. @Barnard
    The New York Times article also quotes her doctor claiming Hillary's normal blood pressure is 100/65. They claim this is on the low side of the normal range, which isn't true, and could be causing her to faint. I seriously doubt a woman Hillary's age with her BMI could get a blood pressure reading consistently at 100/65 unless it was a side effect of other drugs she was taking.

    Beta blockers and ACE inhibitors would cause that, if that’s a true reading and not her quack inventing a number or playing with orthostatic tension to artificially low number.

    No way that’s a diagnostic reading.

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  237. By not reporting on this at all in the MSM, it is now much harder to replace Clinton with another candidate if indeed that is what needs to be done. It would take a good week of infighting at least to find someone and early voting has already started. And if she is sweating bullets now, just wait until wiki-leaks plays that card up their sleeve. Hillary is done. Worse, Trump has finally found handlers who will protect him from his own worst enemy, himself. He is firing on all cylinders and knows that the election is his if he can just control his mouth, which apparently he can. Watch the polls because once they tip in favor of the Donald, Democrats will be abandoning Hillary like rats off a burning ship.

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  238. @Barnard
    The New York Times article also quotes her doctor claiming Hillary's normal blood pressure is 100/65. They claim this is on the low side of the normal range, which isn't true, and could be causing her to faint. I seriously doubt a woman Hillary's age with her BMI could get a blood pressure reading consistently at 100/65 unless it was a side effect of other drugs she was taking.

    I’m a licensed paramedic — the rule of thumb for systolic blood pressure is 100 + age of patient.

    Hillary’s systolic should be at least 170. Yet another lie.

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  239. @Shaq
    What I found most interesting about the video is that Mrs. Clinton was held in a strong position prior to her seizure. That is, her handler (pun intended) firmly grasped Mrs. Clinton via the upper arm, minimizing the reaction time necessary to catch and/or stabilize her. Either Mrs. Clinton informed the assistant that she wasn't feeling well, or SOP is to hold her in a manner than anticipates a fall or seizure.

    Her staff were strikingly unflustered. They didn’t seem to treat anything that happened to her as a unique crisis, just as another day at the office for them all.

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    Exactly. It's not so much unflustered as drilled in, and drilled to cover up the fact of her collapse rather than helping her an an obvious way. The SS agents do their best to cover it up, the Asian SS agent moves to block the camera's view, and the aides who are with her try to prop her up in a plausible way that is not immediately obvious to onlookers. Notice also that the local cops, who are wearing white shirts, rush to help her, while the SS and aides do not. The cops were not briefed before hand, while the SS agents and aides were.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Her staff were strikingly unflustered. They didn’t seem to treat anything that happened to her as a unique crisis, just as another day at the office for them all.

     

    Yes, just this. If you watch the video a few times ignoring Collapsible Hillary, and instead watching the faces and manners of her handlers, their nonchalance is pretty shocking. They've been there; done that, for certain.

    A look inside that back of that van would also likely be fascinating.

    , @Shaq
    The orchestrated effort from her team is the "tell" that it isn't a one time event; rather, it's business as usual. We need to accommodate her infirmities.

    Her withdrawal will be the first step to beatification. She'll taken the low pressure role in her foundation to coordinate with Soros. Trump wins, she says "if only I had been healthy," and she becomes the eminence gris of the Dems.
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  240. @Jack Highlands
    Here ya go:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/09/clinton-stamina/499538/

    If you focus on the best rated comments first, it’s hilarious reading.

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  241. @Jefferson
    "Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest “medical episode” would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her. Ability and suitability are no longer the primary criteria for many ventures and occupations. Deservingness based on victimhood (socual oppression) and lack of ability are."

    If the American people prefer to elect a candidate who coughs more than AIDS patient Eazy E did in Straight Outta Compton, than America deserves to go down like a sinking ship.

    A country is only as desirable at it's demographics. If we now have a demographic in America that is willing to elect an unhealthy person for POTUS simply because she has a D next to her name and was born with a vagina than the Left has already won the demographic culture war against the Right. There is nothing to fight for anymore, we lost. All we can do is just bitch until we die.

    :If the American people prefer to elect a candidate who coughs more than AIDS patient Eazy E did in Straight Outta Compton, than America deserves to go down like a sinking ship.”

    That’s how I felt when they elected a mulatto community organizer/asbestos remover who openly disdained America’s white majority and attended a hate-filled church.

    Twice.

    Feel free to chime in here any time, Lagertha.

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  242. @guest
    Churchill was obsessed with winning barfights by kicking the stool out from under your opponent rather than punching them in face. It's the old "indirect approach," which is sound strategy. But just because an approach is indirect doesn't mean it's not stupid. See his disastrous Dardenelles campaign.

    Grand Designs were Churchill's preferred method of governance. Coincidentally, they are also easier than actually governing. You can stay up all night, drink your weight, and still be a dreamer. He was also contractorily fond of busywork, doing things he really ought to have left to subordinates. Because he didn't have the time or competence.

    Such are the makings of "great men." God, deliver us from great men.

    He did have one good Big Idea. He knew the secret to winning the war: get the U.S. in by hook or by crook, plus make a deal with the devil Stalin. So he won, and the result: goodbye British Empire, hello U.S./Soviet world domination, goodbye Central and Eastern Europe, hello Beveridge Report Welfare State. Basically, goodbye everything Churchill cared about but killing Hitler.

    It’s thoroughly unfathomable that anyone could today, knowing all we know, still have one scintilla of admiration for that self-serving sociopath and sexual deviant, Churchill. It appalls and sickens me.

    Pages 408-409 of Patrick J. Buchanan’s “Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World.”

    The twentieth century was not the British Century. It was the American Century. Churchill believed the two English-speaking peoples would be eternal partners, with British statesmen playing Greeks to America’s Romans. But when Britain was in her darkest hour, FDR shook her down for every dime. Poring over a list of British assets in the Western Hemisphere that Morgenthau had requested, Roosevelt “reacted with the coolness of a WASP patrician: ‘Well, they aren’t bust–there’s lots of money there.’” 211

    Looking back, Alan Clark was appalled by Churchill’s groveling to the Americans:

    “Churchill’s abasement of Britain before the United States has its origins in the same obsession [with Hitler]. The West Indian bases were handed over; the closed markets for British exports were to be dismantled; the entire portfolio of largely private holdings in America was liquidated. ‘A very nice little list,’ was Roosevelt’s comment when the British ambassador offered it. ‘You guys aren’t broken yet.’” 212

    Before Lend-Lease aid could begin, Britain was forced to sell all her commercial assets in the United States and turn over all her gold. FDR sent his own ship, the Quincy, to Simonstown near Cape Town to pick up the last $50 million in British gold reserves. 213

    “[W]e are not only to be skinned but flayed to the bone,” Churchill wailed to his colleagues. 214 He was not far off. Churchill drafted a letter to FDR saying that if America continued along this line, she would “wear the aspect of sheriff collecting the last assets of a helpless debtor.” 215 It was, said the prime minister, “not fitting that any nation should put itself wholly in the hands of another.” 216 Desperately dependent as Britain was on America, Churchill reconsidered, and rewrote his note in more conciliatory tones.

    And FDR knew exactly what he was doing. “We have been milking the British financial cow, which had plenty of milk at one time, but which has now about become dry,” Roosevelt confided to one Cabinet member. 217

    Writes A.J.P. Taylor of how Roosevelt humbled Churchill:

    “Great Britain became a poor, though deserving cousin–not to Roosevelt’s regret. So far as it is possible to read his devious mind, it appears that he expected the British to wear down both Germany and themselves. When all independent powers had ceased to exist, the United States would step in and run the world.” 218

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    Was America supposed to just send them all this stuff for free while letting them keep their gold? The pawn shop man ain't gonna give you a huntin' rifle for free - you gotta bring him the title to your pickup first. That's how it works.
    , @guest
    It almost makes me sorry for old Britain, but if course they went to war by choice. For Poland, purportedly, which at the end of the war it consigned to the flames of hell. Shoulda let the Nazis and commies eat eachother.
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  243. @David
    Are most TV news programs broadcasting the video of Hillary passing out? NPR and NYT are definitely understating it, saying "stumbled," "tripped" and "had to be helped." The Times says more further into their article on it.

    I think it's odd that so little video of the incident have come to light. The scene we see from two angles opens with Hillary propped up against a concrete post, apparently completely unable to move. How did she get there without news cameras following her movements?

    Is it odd that the secret service forms a parameter not to protect her from harm but from the prying eyes of cameras? I think so. They obviously see protecting her shot at the White House as part of their job. And it doesn't look as if they are unpracticed as handling such episodes.

    The Praetorian Guard had warned the press not to follow her when she left the ceremony. The video you saw was taken by a guy from New Jersey who happened to be back in that area so that is why it is the only recording of the collapse.
    The news programs are either ignoring the video, or showing it but cutting off just before the part where she folds and starts to go down, or immediately following with the staged campaign video of her emerging from Chelsea’s mansion and accepting flowers from the kid.

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  244. @Svigor

    She already said people are questioning her health because she’s a woman, whatever that means. So it’s a short step.
     
    "Hillary, you give feminism a bad name. Most of the women in America are more qualified for the presidency. Of course, very few women in America are as crooked and unhealthy as you are."

    [Watching TV] is also the much more cognitive demanding activity than what most people do most of the time by now, which is strolling down some meme centered internet sites or Facebook
     
    I doubt that very much. I remember a study from many years ago, showed that watching TV burns fewer calories than sitting and doing nothing.

    The media at large has almost stopped talking about it, not even 24 hours after she collapsed, an episode that many just yesterday were calling a game changing campaign event.
     
    It is. This will seep through to the swing voters, and she will start to slip in the polls (assuming they're accurate). She's done. As for the media, let the band play on, if that's their thing.

    Exactly. After gloating yesterday that this latest “medical episode” would be the death knell of her campaign, I realized it is actually going to help her.
     
    You guys (Eeyores or shills) really seem invested in this "media narrative is reality" thing. It isn't. Voters are less likely to elect a sickly candidate, not more. This also comports with basic decency, which says you don't put someone who is dying into the Commander in Chief's seat. Media can spin this how they like; it's bad for Hillary come election day.

    ““Hillary, you give feminism a bad name. Most of the women in America are more qualified for the presidency. Of course, very few women in America are as crooked and unhealthy as you are.”

    Crooked Hildabeast loves to play the disenfranchised helpless oppressed victim even though she is part of the privileged 1 percent. Remember when she said if I’m playing the female card than deal me in.

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  245. Things are getting curioser by the minute. Now her spokesman is saying, maybe in response to questions about hugging an innocent child, that Hillary’s pneumonia is non-contagious. Some MDs should comment, but as I recall, the most common non-contagious form of pneumonia that fits her history is fungal. This form is usually only found in people with compromised immune systems.

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  246. @t
    OT: Jamelle Bouie says people who know about HateStat are deplorable:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/09/trump_s_basket_of_deplorables_hillary_clinton_was_right.html

    He responds to people who site HateStats

    https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/775441440545660928

    What’s particularly absurd about Bouie’s complaint over citing the hate stat that blacks are more violent than whites is that this is the precise question asked in a poll he himself cites as proof of the racism of Trump supporters.

    So, let’s see, Genius J. Bouie, on the one hand it’s right and important to ask the question “Are blacks more violent than whites”, but if you say, yes, and use as justification the well known statistics on black crime, you are being racist because you bring up being black as a variable?

    And this guy is “Chief Political Correspondent” for Slate, and “Political Analyst” for CBS News?

    Laugh or cry?

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    Bouie's argument reminds me of the one meant to refute Nicholas Wade's somewhat HBD book, which that there was no such thing as races, what there was were localized variations in phenotype due to mutations that would be separated from other variations by thousands of miles, thus distance, not race, is the only meaningful variable, it had nothing to do with the social construction of race. QED. Of course that is deliberately dumb, one might even call it disingenuous .....

    Of course in the US, race is to an extent socially constructed because for blacks we haven't moved all that far from the one drop rule. But it works both ways, since blacks will embrace anyone who claims to be black no matter how white they are.

    Bottom line, Bouie makes that kind of argument not because he questions that blacks are more prone to crime, but rather because that kind of assessment is not helpful, since it fosters or reinforces "The Talk" type racism among whites, and reinforces debilitating and even self-destructive self-images among blacks, particularly black youths.

    , @Hibernian
    Both of the above.
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  247. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT, but Steve, if you haven’t read our guy Ta-Nehesi’s take on Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ speech, you should. It is a total meat ball for HBD people.

    The main point he tries to make is that new critique that John Steward used to make a lot about current journalism. That they just do ‘one-side-says-this-and-one-side-says-that’ reports or just do the political horse race report.

    And he complains that Hillary’s ‘deplorable’ speech is mostly just being reported as how it could politically help of or hurt her (horse race) and not if it’s true or not (if half of Trump’s backers are indeed racist, sexist, etc., etc.).

    So he goes through various statistics to measure this and comes to the conclusion Hillary was being truthful.

    But the funny thing is as one of his gauges, he looks at survey responses of Trump supporters to the question if blacks are more violent, more criminal, lazier, or ruder. And since a pretty large number answered yes, he regards that as proof that they are racist.

    But he fails to apply the truthful or not test to the underlying questions and just regards it as basically a test if they subscribed to the PC response which likely is best for the political horse race.

    But as everybody at this site knows, the statistics show that even though it’s not PC to say so, blacks are actually more violent, and criminal, and probably lazier and ruder too.

    But he’s far and away our nation’s current #1 public intellectual and I’m just some schmuck commenting at the bottom of a long thread in the darkest corners of the internet. So what do I know?

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    His and Bouie's pieces are really just more verbose ways of saying "you're not allowed to ask that question."
    , @Jefferson
    "But the funny thing is as one of his gauges, he looks at survey responses of Trump supporters to the question if blacks are more violent, more criminal, lazier, or ruder. And since a pretty large number answered yes, he regards that as proof that they are racist."

    How come polling companies never ask Blacks how they feel about Whites? I would like to see a polling company like Gallup or The Washington Post for example ask Blacks if they believe Whites are more violent than Blacks, ask them if Whites are more lazy than Blacks, ask them if Whites are more likely to steal than Blacks, etc.

    How come polling companies only care about what Whites think of Blacks, but never what Blacks think of Whites? Is it because White opinions are Magic Opinions? Similar to how White civilizations are Magic Dirt.
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