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From the Washington Post news pages:

‘It’s all white people’: Allegations of white supremacy are tearing apart a prestigious medieval studies group

Let’s talk about MY hair.

Mary Rambaran-Olm speaks at an academic conference in Washington earlier this month, at which she announced her plans to resign as second vice president of the group formerly known as the International Society of Anglo-Saxonists. (Leah Newsom)

By Hannah Natanson September 19, 2019 at 9:03 a.m. PDT

Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.

So, in one of the most dramatic moments of her life — as she took the podium at an academic conference to resign from a prestigious medieval studies group over its alleged racism, sexism and ties to white supremacy — she kept things simple. She wasn’t nervous, she didn’t tremble; she didn’t even bother to prepare notes.

Facing several hundred people in an auditorium in downtown Washington this month, Rambaran-Olm spoke for less than a minute: The International Society of Anglo-Saxonists (ISAS) was encouraging and emboldening white supremacists, she said, an attitude typified by its refusal to change its name. Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, was stepping down as the group’s second vice president, effective immediately.

“I just said what I had to say,” Rambaran-Olm, a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland, said later. “I didn’t understand at the time what ripple effect it was going to have — I didn’t think it was going to snowball.”

Snowball it did.

On Tuesday, following multiple resignations and outraged statements from other medieval groups condemning its actions, ISAS formally voted to alter its name, bowing to critics who argue that “Anglo Saxon” is code for whiteness, a phrase that is co-opted today by white supremacists around the world to advance a false version of white-dominated history.

It was a landmark moment for the group and for medieval studies. ISAS, one of the largest and longest-standing scholarly associations in the field, holds a highly regarded conference every two years that attracts scholars across the globe. Presenting at the event as a young scholar is “a huge deal” that can make your career, according to Erik Wade, a visiting lecturer at the University of Bonn who studies Old English literature and history.

But the battle over the term “Anglo Saxon” has implications beyond ISAS: It’s emblematic of broader issues roiling the world of medieval studies, Wade said. Over the past two weeks, Rambaran-Olm’s actions have forced the field into a contentious debate about the ways its past and present scholarship may reinforce white supremacy, a reckoning some are hailing as long overdue.

“The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”

About 75 percent of ISAS’s 582 members participated in the vote to change the group’s name, and the motion passed with a roughly 60 percent majority, according to an email obtained by The Washington Post.

“There will of course follow a process for suggesting, discussing, and selecting a new name,” former ISAS executive director Robin Norris wrote in the email. “We apologize to our colleagues of color who have experienced the name of our society as just one of many microaggressions they have faced in academia.”

“The “term ‘Anglo-Saxonist’ is problematic.

But not “problematical.”

“It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views, and has contributed to a lack of diversity among those working on early medieval England and its intellectual and literary culture,” the statement reads in part. …

It was never just about a name, said Eileen Fradenburg Joy, a scholar in the field and a former ISAS member.

“The entire field of medieval studies is undergoing massive upheaval because they have not dealt with long-standing issues of racism and sexism,” Joy said. “This name change controversy is sowing the fault lines that still exist between white scholars — because it’s all white people, a bunch of white people arguing over whether they’re racist.”

The discipline of English medieval studies — which is overwhelmingly white — focuses on literature, art and culture produced between roughly A.D. 500 and 1500 in England. Key texts studied include “Beowulf” and Geoffrey Chaucer’s “The Canterbury Tales.” …

The term “Anglo Saxon” has come to symbolize this particular vision of white medieval dominance, Wade said — a vision that is completely wrong for several reasons.

First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

Second, Wade said, people living in the region were not the insular and self-important bunch that white supremacists want them to be. The English did not “think of themselves as the center of the world,” according to Wade, and in fact looked to other societies for inspiration and education.

Some of the most revered medieval texts draw heavily on literature produced by Spanish monks. Many in England were “totally obsessed” with travelogues about India and Egypt, Wade said. One prominent English king modeled currency on coins produced in Islam and another wrote to people in the Arab Empire asking for medical advice.

“This idea that they were not influenced by North Africa or the Middle East, all of these places, is just ridiculous,” Wade said. “They’re really, really trying to model themselves on this other part of the world.”

The false historical narrative that white people — in particular, Anglo Saxon people — were the only race to produce worthwhile literature, art and scientific discoveries during the Middle Ages took root when “professional medieval studies” launched in Britain in the late 1700s, according to Wade….

“This field … it’s just incredibly self-satisfied, smug, elitist, white and male,” Joy said.

Hannah Natanson is a reporter covering social issues in the D.C. metro area. She joined The Washington Post as an intern in June 2018.

 
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  1. “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”

    We’re being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
     
    It's like Orwell's 1984 wasn't a piece of fiction after all. It was an instruction manual.
    , @Cato
    My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people's origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs.
    , @Gordo

    We’re being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.
     
    We're at the stage where we must preserve the physical books so we can rebuild after the war.
    , @Realist

    We’re being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.
     
    Many Whites are taking part and all are allowing it.
    , @Alfa158
    And if you look at this program from 30,000 feet you can see their background message explicitly. They are saying, “that’s right, it is genocide in progress, and there is nothing you are going to do to stop us.”
  2. This academic debate is just SO racist! Incredible that the North African and Middle Eastern influences they cite seem to be all Caucasian peoples! What about all of the great literature and scholarship produced in the medieval era by sub-Saharan Africans, members of the Negroid, Congoid and Capoid races?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Realist
    LOL
  3. First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

    Does anyone actually claim England did not have any non-English in England at that time? There would surely have been ambassador-type people from other kingdoms, merchants and others who were just passing through. Perhaps they would have comprised about 0.3 percent of the population. Effectively, however, they would not even have registered on the census.

    But the presence of such a minuscule amount is now used to attack a strawman and somehow prove that what we think of English history is incorrect. That small amount is used to claim England was multicultural.

    If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? Why do they claim that the USA needs to diversify even now when the White population is down to 62%? After all, if a 99.7% English England can be considered diverse, why couldn’t an 88% White America?

    I for one would love to have a 99.7% White America and would be more than happy to call it multicultural if that is what it would take to make it happen.

    • Agree: Charon, ben tillman, Ragno
    • Replies: @Al Bundy
    Exactly. I've never heard any historian claim that England never had any diversity. But the problem is that academics need actual evidence to study, which is relatively limited from this era. I notice that this lady wrote yet another dissertation on the Exeter Book. If she feels so passionately about diversity, why didn't she write the groundbreaking study of minority literature in medieval England?

    Perhaps some bold academics needs to untether their field from texts and material evidence and forge a new field of Imaginative History. Without the burden of manuscripts and archaeology, they could write vibrant new histories detailing the lives of medieval POC.
    , @Barnard
    If you read the details of their claim, it is that between the Romans bringing people from throughout their empire and the Scandanavian Vikings who had visited non white countries, England has always been a diverse country. It is in one of the comments in the Washington Post article. A reply calls it out and asks for a diversity percentage, which of course is not given. As far as the breakdown of those intentionally pushing this lie and those stupid enough to believe it, your guess is as good as mine.
    , @HenryA
    If only there existed in some dusty library a highly detailed census of England, taken perhaps in the late 11th century, we might truly know just how diverse medieval England was.
    , @jbwilson24
    "If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? "

    I think asking for consistency from leftists is probably like waiting for aliens to discover the planet. Maybe it will happen, but you'll probably die waiting.

    These are the same people who think that thinking racist private thoughts is bad because they will manifest in actual racist behaviour, but pedophiles who simply fantasize about children should be accepted since they aren't forced to actually act on their urges.
  4. It was never just about a name, said Eileen Fradenburg Joy, a scholar in the field and a former ISAS member.

    Well, your name is something special, Eileen. First name of an Irish banshee, then an Ashkenazi yenta psychologist, finished off with a touch of Puritan old maid.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    "And don't call me Fraudenburg!"
  5. Not EVERYBODY in England was Anglo Saxon! Why do you think they call it THE MOORS? Case closed.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Yngvar
    Today I Learned: The Islamic Republic of Mauritania got its name from the Greek word mauros , which means black or dark.
    , @Haruto Rat

    Not EVERYBODY in England was Anglo Saxon! Why do you think they call it THE MOORS? Case closed.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbW8KumM5gQ
  6. This echoes what happened to the field of British Empire studies in the UK in recent decades.

    Older scholars got labeled as white imperialists by young ex-colonial immigrant scholars who entered the field, and ultimately, the field itself was delegitimized. Simply identifying the British Empire as a single coherent field worthy of study was labeled as a sneaky way by whites to resurrect imperialism, or, at least, indulge their inherent racist, imperialist propensities.

  7. Some classic Mary Rambaran-Olm:

    To Pee or Not to Pee: The State of Medieval Uroscopy in Late Medieval England

    Straight Outta Context: Race and Periodization in Early Medieval England.

    Bede, Bath & Beyond: Difficulties with Race and Periodization in Anglo-Saxon England”

    http://independentscholar.academia.edu/MaryRambaranOlm

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    Imagine working for weeks on articles that less than a hundred people even look at, let alone finish.
    , @Laurence Whelk

    Some classic Mary Rambaran-Olm:

    To Pee or Not to Pee: The State of Medieval Uroscopy in Late Medieval England

    Straight Outta Context: Race and Periodization in Early Medieval England.

    Bede, Bath & Beyond: Difficulties with Race and Periodization in Anglo-Saxon England”
     
    These low wattage diversity hires seem to exhaust whatever meager brain power they have on "clever" punny titles, but once you get in the weeds, it's typically an impenetrable thicket of plug and play woke humanities jargon clauses strung together in paragraph length sentences.
  8. Rambaran is an Indian name, and appears to be common among in the Caribbean and in Mauritius among the descendants of Indian indentured plantation labor in those places.

    Mary Rambaran-Olm styles herself an “independent scholar.”

    I speculate that either she did not make tenure in a regular department, or that she was unwilling to subject herself to the rigors of historical scholarship, choosing instead to produce imaginative and fanciful theses that were only supported by very light and superficial research. Since the olds were not willing to acknowledge her youthful brilliance, the charge of racism came in handy in trying to bring the whole infuriating white patriarchal structure down.

    It’s something we’re going to see more and more of, unless somebody influential on the left bells the cat and says the emperor of wokeness has no clothes.

    • Replies: @bomag

    It’s something we’re going to see more and more of, unless somebody influential on the left bells the cat and says the emperor of wokeness has no clothes.
     
    The left is in the middle of a campaign to burn everything down, so don't hold your breath.

    Half or so of Mary Rambaran-Olm's "scholarship" amounts to calling white people racist: meeting a demand, I suppose, in woke academia. And she puts herself forward to become 2nd VP in this organization, which I guess is a pretty meaningless post; not desired by too many with real work to do; so the Woke are happy to fill it with a POC in service to their credentials; and she uses the position to get the microphone and let her inner dingo eat a few more babies.
    , @Ian Smith
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/jan/15/robin-hood-prince-of-thieves

    “Scanning the horizon, Azeem notices one of the evil Sheriff of Nottingham's men in the distance, and whips out his telescope to have a closer look. Though the Islamic world was far ahead of Christian civilisation in many aspects of science and technology, it wasn't ahead in telescopes, which were invented in the Netherlands in 1608.”
  9. “One English King… wrote to people in the Arab Empire…”

    Ahem.

    The “Arab” Empire?!?

    WHAT “Arab” Empire could she possibly be talking about? Surely she means the Yemeni-Greco-Syrian-Phoenician-Roman-Cretan-Berber-Arab-Persian-Babylonian-Coptic-Judaic-Assyrian-Kurdish-Turkic-Hindic-Seljuk-Khazar-Uzbek-Sarmatian-Circassian-Maltese-Ethiopian-Armenian-Caucasian-Sicilian Empire?

    There never was an “Arab” empire. This is pure fantasy.

    If we are to have multiculturalism at gunpoint, then by all means let us have an inclusive, diverse, /multicultural/ multiculturalism.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    The Arab Empire is, uh, DIFFERENT. Anyone with a name like Rambaran could tell you that.
    , @Logan
    Real scholars don't refer to an "Arab empire." There is the Rashidun Caliphate, the Omayad Caliphate, and the Abbasid Caliphate.

    After which things fell apart into a host of other states: Fatimids, Emirate of Cordoba, etc.

    But the term Arab Empire isn't really correct for any period.
  10. It’s not exactly a cutting edge field. There is plenty of scholarship already. I’ve been enjoying Charles Oman’s books, which have to be a hundred years old now. It’s well plowed ground, right?

    Who needs these people.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Oh, trust me, they wish to God they could tell off astrophysicists and engineers and material scientists exactly like this. But there's math in the way.
  11. Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, […], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland

    – Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    – Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins — possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) — Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada — there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor’s thesis: “The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;”
    2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: “John’s Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary,” later published as a book in 2014, under the title: “John the Baptist’s Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)”
    Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    – By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: “Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy”), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:

    I am…an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.

    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.

    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived

    • Replies: @Hail
    Dr. Rambaran-Olm's new book project is fast approaching publication -- co-authored with Dr. Erik Wade, who is mentioned in the article as her confederate in the bid to undermine the Anglo-Saxonist group and who resigned with her.

    Race in Anglo-Saxon England

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Cambridge Elements, 2020

    [....] This volume aims to shed light on race in the Anglo-Saxon period (roughly from the fifth century to the end of the eleventh century) and its relationship with Christian and non-Christian religious groups. Whereas previous scholarship has predominantly focused on Celtic and Scandinavian influences on various aspects of Anglo-Saxon artistry, culture and literature, this book will explore the impact on Anglo-Saxon England of a wider range of places like the Iberian Peninsula, Northern Africa and Asia. [....]
     


    this book will describe an early chapter in the history of race in Western Europe.
     
    The above description is as as posted at Academia.edu profile page she maintains.

    _____________________

    Forthcoming paper with the same Dr. Erik Wade:


    What's in a Name? The Past and Present Racism in 'Anglo-Saxon' Studies?

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Years Work in English, 2022
     

    Cashing in on the scandal!

    It looks like she's found a niche. Lots of sympathy, media praise, etc.

    _____________________

    There is a very light footprint online for this Mary R. Rambaran-Olm, PhD. One of the few traces of her is on the website of an academic grant-giving organization in the UK.

    She was of the four "award winners" [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:


    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD - 2018 - A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. [...]
     
    , @Mr McKenna

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world.
     
    If only you were a native-English speaker, you might even know that the phrase "one of the only" is meaningless. Perhaps you mean "one of the few"? But who cares.

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     
    Or it could be your stupidity, but why pick nits?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins...)
     
    Mary Rambaran-Olm = Ma marry abnormal.
    , @Pericles

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived

     


     
    Yeah, if you leap from 'reviewer' to 'senior vice president' without passing an academic position at all you sure are being discriminated against. Oh man, if it wasn't for your skin color I'm sure you'd have gotten a call from Stockholm by now.

    And this brown worm entryist then proceeds to racely race race raciss in just a single year. Good thing she was kicked out.

    , @ThreeCranes

    "my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived"
     
    Skin color cannot "impede". Skin color would be an adjective, an attribute. Impeding requires an active subject. If she reasons no better than she talks.....

    "the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis /səˌpɪər ˈhwɔːrf/, or Whorfianism is a principle claiming that the structure of a language affects its speakers' world view or cognition" Wiki

    so, speaking as she does, she cannot but help commit logical fallacies and fall into cognitive pitfalls.
    , @Hail

    there is no video of her speaking on Youtube
     
    As of this writing, there is still nothing on Youtube of her speaking. It seems highly unusual to me that a person can get a PhD in the 2010s in a social science and end up with no video of oneself anywhere on Youtube. No conference talks, panels, nothing.

    We know she spoke in Sept. 2019 at this Washington DC conference. Either was not recorded, or, by consensus they are not posting it publicly.

    ______________

    A search for "Rambadan-Olm" yields this video as the only relevant result:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fksSdCA2EMA

    Not related to the Anglo-Saxonist woman, but a really excellent video overall if going by commenter-acclaim:


    RAKSHARAM Y***V
    2 months ago

    Super
     


    Surendar Y**av
    3 months ago

    Jai ho
     


    Shes kumar Kumar
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    Ramakant Y***v
    5 days ago

    Very good
     

  12. This court finds Rambaran-Olm guilty of the most heinous crime of cultural appropriation. Let her be taken from this place and dealt with according to our Anglo Saxon ways.

  13. I guess this means England and Saxony must now change their white supremacist, racist names.

    I propose Cuckland and Diversistan as replacement names.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Not bad, but perhaps not self-hating enough.
    , @njguy73

    I guess this means England and Saxony must now change their white supremacist, racist names.

     

    How about Nation of the Depend Adult Undergarment and Nation of the Whopper?
    , @bigdicknick
    england is already known as Cuckold Island which is a great and appropriate nickname. They really have become a pathetic race. I can't see it changing either. Sad.
  14. “I just said what I had to say,” Rambaran-Olm, a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland, said later. “I didn’t understand at the time what ripple effect it was going to have — I didn’t think it was going to snowball.”

    And on NPR this morning talking about Good Greta and the climate “strike,” and all over the news describing the earlier “iconic dead ‘refugee’ child” photo of the month, they use this preposterous “I never thought it could happen to me” language.
    Stalinist Socialist Realism is more spontaneous and human. And believable.

  15. @Carol
    It's not exactly a cutting edge field. There is plenty of scholarship already. I've been enjoying Charles Oman's books, which have to be a hundred years old now. It's well plowed ground, right?

    Who needs these people.

    Oh, trust me, they wish to God they could tell off astrophysicists and engineers and material scientists exactly like this. But there’s math in the way.

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
    String theorist Lubos Motl blogged about this recently. He argues that new-left progressivism is capable of doing even more to retard human progress than old-left collectivism, because the old left might suppress exceptional individuals, but the new left suppresses the entire demographic from which most such individuals come.
  16. Anglo-Saxons were some of the first refugees to arrive in England and were themselves an ethnic minority in Medieval England. Anglo-Saxon refugees were often resented by xenophobic Celts and Picts. Their racist nativism often lead to violent conflicts with the newcomers.

    You would think that a Woman of Color would embrace intersectionality.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @njguy73

    Anglo-Saxons were some of the first refugees to arrive in England and were themselves an ethnic minority in Medieval England. Anglo-Saxon refugees were often resented by xenophobic Celts and Picts. Their racist nativism often lead to violent conflicts with the newcomers.

     

    "Medieval Studies: Learn About A Thousand Years Of White People Killing Other White People"

    If that won't get POCs interested, I don't know what will.
    , @Digital Samizdat
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OtzJtp-EM
  17. @Hypnotoad666
    I guess this means England and Saxony must now change their white supremacist, racist names.

    I propose Cuckland and Diversistan as replacement names.

    Not bad, but perhaps not self-hating enough.

  18. @Hail

    Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, [...], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland
     
    - Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    - Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins -- possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) -- Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada -- there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    - 2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor's thesis: "The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;"
    - 2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: "John's Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary," later published as a book in 2014, under the title: "John the Baptist's Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)"
    - Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    - 2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    - By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: "Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy"), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    - As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:


    I am...an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.
     
    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.
     
    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     

    Dr. Rambaran-Olm’s new book project is fast approaching publication — co-authored with Dr. Erik Wade, who is mentioned in the article as her confederate in the bid to undermine the Anglo-Saxonist group and who resigned with her.

    Race in Anglo-Saxon England

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Cambridge Elements, 2020

    [….] This volume aims to shed light on race in the Anglo-Saxon period (roughly from the fifth century to the end of the eleventh century) and its relationship with Christian and non-Christian religious groups. Whereas previous scholarship has predominantly focused on Celtic and Scandinavian influences on various aspects of Anglo-Saxon artistry, culture and literature, this book will explore the impact on Anglo-Saxon England of a wider range of places like the Iberian Peninsula, Northern Africa and Asia. [….]

    this book will describe an early chapter in the history of race in Western Europe.

    The above description is as as posted at Academia.edu profile page she maintains.

    _____________________

    Forthcoming paper with the same Dr. Erik Wade:

    What’s in a Name? The Past and Present Racism in ‘Anglo-Saxon’ Studies?

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Years Work in English, 2022

    Cashing in on the scandal!

    It looks like she’s found a niche. Lots of sympathy, media praise, etc.

    _____________________

    There is a very light footprint online for this Mary R. Rambaran-Olm, PhD. One of the few traces of her is on the website of an academic grant-giving organization in the UK.

    She was of the four “award winners” [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:

    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD – 2018 – A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. […]

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Haven't seen you in a while. Glad you're back.
    , @dr kill
    I need to update my list of the five shortest books ever published.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Given that Britain and most of Europe was largely Christian during the Mediaeval period, the notion that there were Middle Eastern and North African influences during that time is hardly revelatory.
  19. @Hypnotoad666
    I guess this means England and Saxony must now change their white supremacist, racist names.

    I propose Cuckland and Diversistan as replacement names.

    I guess this means England and Saxony must now change their white supremacist, racist names.

    How about Nation of the Depend Adult Undergarment and Nation of the Whopper?

  20. @Clifford Brown
    Anglo-Saxons were some of the first refugees to arrive in England and were themselves an ethnic minority in Medieval England. Anglo-Saxon refugees were often resented by xenophobic Celts and Picts. Their racist nativism often lead to violent conflicts with the newcomers.

    You would think that a Woman of Color would embrace intersectionality.

    Anglo-Saxons were some of the first refugees to arrive in England and were themselves an ethnic minority in Medieval England. Anglo-Saxon refugees were often resented by xenophobic Celts and Picts. Their racist nativism often lead to violent conflicts with the newcomers.

    “Medieval Studies: Learn About A Thousand Years Of White People Killing Other White People”

    If that won’t get POCs interested, I don’t know what will.

    • LOL: kikz
    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    Sounds just like the Zulu and the Boers, only it didn't take 1,000 years for the Zulu to come out on top.
  21. @istevefan

    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.
     
    Does anyone actually claim England did not have any non-English in England at that time? There would surely have been ambassador-type people from other kingdoms, merchants and others who were just passing through. Perhaps they would have comprised about 0.3 percent of the population. Effectively, however, they would not even have registered on the census.

    But the presence of such a minuscule amount is now used to attack a strawman and somehow prove that what we think of English history is incorrect. That small amount is used to claim England was multicultural.

    If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? Why do they claim that the USA needs to diversify even now when the White population is down to 62%? After all, if a 99.7% English England can be considered diverse, why couldn't an 88% White America?

    I for one would love to have a 99.7% White America and would be more than happy to call it multicultural if that is what it would take to make it happen.

    Exactly. I’ve never heard any historian claim that England never had any diversity. But the problem is that academics need actual evidence to study, which is relatively limited from this era. I notice that this lady wrote yet another dissertation on the Exeter Book. If she feels so passionately about diversity, why didn’t she write the groundbreaking study of minority literature in medieval England?

    Perhaps some bold academics needs to untether their field from texts and material evidence and forge a new field of Imaginative History. Without the burden of manuscripts and archaeology, they could write vibrant new histories detailing the lives of medieval POC.

  22. @ben tillman

    “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”
     
    We're being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”

    It’s like Orwell’s 1984 wasn’t a piece of fiction after all. It was an instruction manual.

  23. @Ibound1
    Not EVERYBODY in England was Anglo Saxon! Why do you think they call it THE MOORS? Case closed.

    Today I Learned: The Islamic Republic of Mauritania got its name from the Greek word mauros , which means black or dark.

  24. I thought the first sentence of the article was very funny.

    “Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.”

    Yup. I’m sure that she hates drawing attention to herself, and would much rather spend her time in a musty library doing comparisons of Medieval English and Low German grammar.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    I thought the first sentence of the article was very funny.

    “Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.”
     

    Yep, that was a tell right there. You know right away that the rest of the article is going to be all about the endless drama this woman creates wherever she goes. But she hates drama! Says it right there in the article's first sentence--how could you miss it?

    “This name change controversy is sowing the fault lines that still exist between white scholars — because it’s all white people, a bunch of white people arguing over whether they’re racist.”
     

    The MSM have declared that the 2020 presidential election will be "all about race."
    , @Altai
    People who say they 'hate drama' don't realise that normal people don't say it because normal people don't find themselves (Outside 15 year old girls) encountering 'drama' enough to have an opinion. They say it because they constantly find themselves in drama and it's not a coincidence.
  25. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:

    There are certain academics who, after a cluster of years in the field, begin to realize they’re never going to contribute very much, mainly because they’re intellectual lightweights. They’ve begun to notice that tenure and the good jobs at the more prestigious universities are going to their intellectual heavyweight colleagues. When they’re socializing with other professors, they notice that they sound stupid in comparison, and they can’t hold up their end in an intellectual argument with colleagues, and sometimes not even some of their students.

    At this point, the lightweight, often a female minority, becomes frantic and desperate when she finally realizes she can’t keep pace with her more brilliant, mainly white male colleagues. The anguish is further compounded when she doesn’t land a white male husband, preferably high status, which is her escape plan if her academic career doesn’t work out. But quite often, the male she’s angling for has heard enough pseudo-intellectual blather from her that he’s disgusted by her stupidity and her underwater basket weaving-type papers in her field that he has read. He considers her an egotistical, screechy dud. Her failures cause her to start scheming like Lucretia Borgia. She delves into her female id and goes into full witch mode. She tries to backstab her colleagues and her entire intellectual field by screaming that everyone’s bigoted against her, and conjures up a a media storm.

    Quite often, these attempts occur after her employer has just given her a review of her work, and failed to give her tenure. This is the academic world’s way of saying, “Eh, you’re really not that good. We made a mistake in hiring you, c’est la vie, now push off.”

    • Agree: Andy
    • Replies: @Hail
    Anon[429]'s comment is a good, generalized narrative account of the Rambaran-Olm affair. It fits the facts in the case, as I understand them. See here and here, esp.:

    She was of the four “award winners” [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:

    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD – 2018 – A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. […]
     

     
    I won't say it's all a cold-hearted, calculated scam to get sympathy (=fame) and money -- maybe it started with frustration and the usual sort of 'academic' drama, one thing led to another, and it was all a crime of opportunity.
    , @eugyppius
    This is entirely right.
    , @General Ripper
    Superb comment Anon[429]. You've nailed it. Perhaps she's angling for a position in a "Gender Studies" department, or should I say "Bitching-About-Men Studies"?
    , @J.Ross
    This. Pournelle's Law becoming ugly.
    Could this have been prevented by embracing pure teaching instead of publish or perish?
    (I mean, experts are agreeing that a guy has actually found Milton's hand-annotated copy of Shakespeare, and connected specific notes to later Milton compositions, which is amazing, but really, what big discovery is just around the corner in medievalism?)
    , @JimB
    Mary Rambaran-Olm isn’t a scholar in the actual sense. She is a self promoting Hindu race hustler angry at white alpha males who find her physically repulsive. Imagine the halitosis that goes with that face.


    “CFP FOR SPECIAL 10
    th
    -ANNIVERSARY ISSUE OF
    POSTMEDIEVAL
    DEADLINE FOR ABSTRACTS: JUNE 1, 2019 Race, Revulsion, and Revolution Guest Editors: M. Rambaran-Olm, M. Breann Leake, Micah Goodrich

    The global resurgence of fascist leaders, the violent terrorist attacks of white supremacists, and racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, and other hate-fueled rhetoric that has come to dominate our public and private forums of life makes it clear that we must collectively push back against institutionally sanctioned hate to help ensure the safety of our marginalized community members and to safeguard the futures we anticipate.”

    https://www.academia.edu/38370892/Race_Revulsion_and_Revolution

  26. @ben tillman

    “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”
     
    We're being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people’s origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @IHTG
    The Mary Rambarans of the world wouldn't get anywhere without cadres of woke white millennials supporting them.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Europeans did not invent science. Chinese and Indians and Arabs and even Central Americans had science.

    Europeans invented things like the scientific method and wide and transparent dissemination of results. Europeans invented peer reviewed papers, for example.

    In other words, Europeans invented the framework which allows science to thrive.
    , @Corvinus
    "My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs."

    Only if you are able to trace directly back to your ancestors who were English, Dutch, Portuguese, French, or Spanish who actually did one or more of those things. Otherwise, you (and they) did not build that.

    "Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people’s origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs."

    That would be an opinion. Of course, along the way during that study we would find out that they invaded the world and invited the world, jackbooting tens of millions of people in search of God, glory, and gold. Perhaps then today the chickens are coming home to roost. You know, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
  27. @istevefan

    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.
     
    Does anyone actually claim England did not have any non-English in England at that time? There would surely have been ambassador-type people from other kingdoms, merchants and others who were just passing through. Perhaps they would have comprised about 0.3 percent of the population. Effectively, however, they would not even have registered on the census.

    But the presence of such a minuscule amount is now used to attack a strawman and somehow prove that what we think of English history is incorrect. That small amount is used to claim England was multicultural.

    If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? Why do they claim that the USA needs to diversify even now when the White population is down to 62%? After all, if a 99.7% English England can be considered diverse, why couldn't an 88% White America?

    I for one would love to have a 99.7% White America and would be more than happy to call it multicultural if that is what it would take to make it happen.

    If you read the details of their claim, it is that between the Romans bringing people from throughout their empire and the Scandanavian Vikings who had visited non white countries, England has always been a diverse country. It is in one of the comments in the Washington Post article. A reply calls it out and asks for a diversity percentage, which of course is not given. As far as the breakdown of those intentionally pushing this lie and those stupid enough to believe it, your guess is as good as mine.

  28. I guess you can’t call yourself an anglophile anymore.

  29. “There’s a hole in my head where the rain comes in.
    You took my body and played to win.
    Ha ha, woman it’s a crying shame,
    but you ain’t got nobody else to blame.”

    Medieval Woman , Medieval Woman, Medieval Woman, Medieval Woman.

  30. “Rambaran-Olm, a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland…”

    So, yet another whiny, grouchy, ever-complaining Person of $h!t-color who mysteriously lives in… Ireland, of all places! And definitely NOT in some glorious mudslide $h!thole that is definitely NOT a $h!thole.

    Wakanda Forever! …except if we can find a White country to wriggle into.

    Next year, in Wakanda!

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    The Germ Theory of Disease:

    Unfortunately Ms Rambaran-Olm fits in quite well with the new reconstituted Ireland, the first country in world history to approve abortion (and by overwhelming popular vote!).
  31. That bitch should have resigned. She’s engaging in cultural appropriation!

  32. I guess I’m not up on my white supremacism, because I haven’t come across anyone making a big deal about “Anglo-Saxon”. Closest thing was Jeff Sessions referring to “Anglo-American justice”, and unleashing a mini-scandal.

  33. @Hail

    Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, [...], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland
     
    - Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    - Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins -- possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) -- Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada -- there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    - 2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor's thesis: "The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;"
    - 2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: "John's Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary," later published as a book in 2014, under the title: "John the Baptist's Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)"
    - Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    - 2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    - By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: "Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy"), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    - As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:


    I am...an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.
     
    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.
     
    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world.

    If only you were a native-English speaker, you might even know that the phrase “one of the only” is meaningless. Perhaps you mean “one of the few”? But who cares.

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived

    Or it could be your stupidity, but why pick nits?

    • Replies: @bomag

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     
    Demanding to be judged by the color of her skin rather than the content of her character.
    , @Alden
    Right you are. One of the few or the only Anglo saxonists persons of crap.

    Things haven’t changed. Back in the olden days when I was in college most of the medieval history profs were White Jewish communists who taught anti Christianity anti the European peoples propaganda. There was a lot of the glories of Islam sooo superior to the wretchedness of Christian Europe.
  34. @Ibound1
    Not EVERYBODY in England was Anglo Saxon! Why do you think they call it THE MOORS? Case closed.

    Not EVERYBODY in England was Anglo Saxon! Why do you think they call it THE MOORS? Case closed.

  35. If only they had the courage to say “fuck off”. It really comes down to that. They would all have to do it. But no, they’re thinking of their salary and benefits and their mortgage and yearly vacation to the Caribbean and their kids private school and tutoring and college tuition fees. So they just nod and agree with the angry entitled subcontinental bitch.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting

    If only they had the courage to say “fuck off”. It really comes down to that. They would all have to do it. But no, they’re thinking of their salary and benefits and their mortgage and yearly vacation to the Caribbean and their kids private school and tutoring and college tuition fees. So they just nod and agree with the angry entitled subcontinental bitch.
     
    In my pre-retirement life I had to listen to nonsense from these type of AA idiots very often. I learned quickly the art of "fogging". You have no idea what those simian lip movement noises were supposed to mean. You say nothing, do nothing, show no reaction at all--slowly moving away to safety. When questioned you explain that you are very busy and have to be somewhere else.
  36. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I thought the first sentence of the article was very funny.

    “Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.”

    Yup. I’m sure that she hates drawing attention to herself, and would much rather spend her time in a musty library doing comparisons of Medieval English and Low German grammar.

    I thought the first sentence of the article was very funny.

    “Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.”

    Yep, that was a tell right there. You know right away that the rest of the article is going to be all about the endless drama this woman creates wherever she goes. But she hates drama! Says it right there in the article’s first sentence–how could you miss it?

    “This name change controversy is sowing the fault lines that still exist between white scholars — because it’s all white people, a bunch of white people arguing over whether they’re racist.”

    The MSM have declared that the 2020 presidential election will be “all about race.”

    • LOL: Hail
  37. It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    • Replies: @Hail

    When the Saxon began to hate.
     
    When the Anglo-Saxonist began to hate.
    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    See this poem alot... well... if the hate would activate sometime soon it would be great...
    , @Ragno

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddenly bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.
     
    A good EEEV-a-ning freeeeeeends!!
    , @ricpic
    So when does this great counterwave of Saxon hate begin? tick tick tick tick tick
    , @Logan
    I hate to ruin a good story, but there is no such poem.

    The poem is "The Beginnings" by R. Kipling.

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_beginnings.htm

    The tag line is, "When the English began to hate."

    It was written during WWI, aimed at the indisputably white Germans.

    If somebody wants to promote a cause, they should have the decency to write their own stuff, not plagiarize a dead guy.

    , @Alden
    Kipling wrote that as part of the WW1 English propaganda machine. He should have mentioned that descended from Saxon invaders 1800 years before English men were fighting real Saxons from the very large German province former powerful Kingdom of Saxony.

    Kipling wrote that poem to send other peoples sons off to be killed by Saxons and other Germans. He was devastated and never recovered emotionally when his only son was killed.

    100 years later, Germany rules the EU.

    As Woody Allen said about Tolstoy’s novel “ War, what is it good for?”
    , @Ibound1
    Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing. Just a desire for a six week vacation and a retirement at 50. Their English daughters are raped and they do nothing, barely care. They are over. 42% of the children in Germany are now born to migrant parents. Germany is kaput. People should quit citing this poem. It’s like bringing up the martial virtues of the Romans when discussing the WW2 Italian army.
  38. Second, Wade said, people living in the region were not the insular and self-important bunch that white supremacists want them to be. The English did not “think of themselves as the center of the world,” according to Wade, and in fact looked to other societies for inspiration and education.
    Some of the most revered medieval texts draw heavily on literature produced by Spanish monks. Many in England were “totally obsessed” with travelogues about India and Egypt, Wade said. One prominent English king modeled currency on coins produced in Islam and another wrote to people in the Arab Empire asking for medical advice.

    Unlike Victorians, who had absolutely no interest in reading about travellers to other cultures. That’s why Richard Burton is so unknown and obscure

  39. Hannah Natanson

    Every time

  40. @Hail

    Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, [...], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland
     
    - Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    - Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins -- possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) -- Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada -- there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    - 2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor's thesis: "The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;"
    - 2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: "John's Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary," later published as a book in 2014, under the title: "John the Baptist's Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)"
    - Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    - 2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    - By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: "Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy"), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    - As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:


    I am...an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.
     
    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.
     
    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     

    Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins…)

    Mary Rambaran-Olm = Ma marry abnormal.

  41. Anglo-Saxons are relatively lame by Continental standards:

  42. From the WashPost article:

    “There will of course follow a process for suggesting, discussing, and selecting a new name,” former ISAS executive director Robin Norris wrote in the email.

    I hope they will permit widespread participation in this process. I would like to suggest that they consider calling it the International Club of Boaty McBoatface (ICBM). The acronym is nearly as unwittingly menacing as calling your society “ISAS”.

  43. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "One English King... wrote to people in the Arab Empire..."

    Ahem.

    The "Arab" Empire?!?

    WHAT "Arab" Empire could she possibly be talking about? Surely she means the Yemeni-Greco-Syrian-Phoenician-Roman-Cretan-Berber-Arab-Persian-Babylonian-Coptic-Judaic-Assyrian-Kurdish-Turkic-Hindic-Seljuk-Khazar-Uzbek-Sarmatian-Circassian-Maltese-Ethiopian-Armenian-Caucasian-Sicilian Empire?

    There never was an "Arab" empire. This is pure fantasy.

    If we are to have multiculturalism at gunpoint, then by all means let us have an inclusive, diverse, /multicultural/ multiculturalism.

    The Arab Empire is, uh, DIFFERENT. Anyone with a name like Rambaran could tell you that.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Rambaram, thank you ma'am.
  44. @Dr. X
    (((Hannah Natanson)))

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/07/20/louisiana-judge-says-jews-are-a-race-are-protected-by-anti-racial-discrimination-laws/


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/06/this-retired-doctor-spends-her-time-performing-abortions-circumcisions-she-says-her-jewish-faith-leads-her-do-both/

    Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! Maybe she has an Expulsion Story in her family tree?

  45. “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”

    Whiteness = Nazism

    “When something as small as changing an organization’s name…”

    He knows he’s lying. If changing an organization’s name were “small,” no one would bother doing it.

    Remember when Esso (formerly Standard Oil) changed its name to Exxon?

    Or when the promoters of “[anthropogenic] global warming” re-branded their hoax as “climate change”?

    By the way, what pushback has the anti-whites’ move generated? I don’t see any. As with other anti-scholarly movements, white men quickly joined their attackers.

    Over the past 50-odd years, people who believe in scholarship and the greatness of the West have been variously made unwelcome, or run out of the antiversity, which is how these anti-intellectual drama queens came to take over. They have been the “entrenched hierarchy” for generations.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  46. I didn’t click through to the article. Did it explain what the ISAS changed its name to?

  47. The “Model Minorities“ are at it again.

    This is what “more high -skilled immigration” will always get you (unless all the high skilled immigrants are white)

    • Replies: @Altai
    What? When has importing an ethnically alien overclass ever been a bad deal for the people of the land?
  48. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    When the Saxon began to hate.

    When the Anglo-Saxonist began to hate.

    • Replies: @Charon
    When the Anglo-Saxons finally hate
    They'll find out they're a bit too late
    , @Anonymous
    The Saxon began to hate.
    When Saxony was in a terrible state.
    But it was far, far too late.
  49. @Anon
    There are certain academics who, after a cluster of years in the field, begin to realize they're never going to contribute very much, mainly because they're intellectual lightweights. They've begun to notice that tenure and the good jobs at the more prestigious universities are going to their intellectual heavyweight colleagues. When they're socializing with other professors, they notice that they sound stupid in comparison, and they can't hold up their end in an intellectual argument with colleagues, and sometimes not even some of their students.

    At this point, the lightweight, often a female minority, becomes frantic and desperate when she finally realizes she can't keep pace with her more brilliant, mainly white male colleagues. The anguish is further compounded when she doesn't land a white male husband, preferably high status, which is her escape plan if her academic career doesn't work out. But quite often, the male she's angling for has heard enough pseudo-intellectual blather from her that he's disgusted by her stupidity and her underwater basket weaving-type papers in her field that he has read. He considers her an egotistical, screechy dud. Her failures cause her to start scheming like Lucretia Borgia. She delves into her female id and goes into full witch mode. She tries to backstab her colleagues and her entire intellectual field by screaming that everyone's bigoted against her, and conjures up a a media storm.

    Quite often, these attempts occur after her employer has just given her a review of her work, and failed to give her tenure. This is the academic world's way of saying, "Eh, you're really not that good. We made a mistake in hiring you, c'est la vie, now push off."

    Anon[429]’s comment is a good, generalized narrative account of the Rambaran-Olm affair. It fits the facts in the case, as I understand them. See here and here, esp.:

    She was of the four “award winners” [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:

    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD – 2018 – A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. […]

    I won’t say it’s all a cold-hearted, calculated scam to get sympathy (=fame) and money — maybe it started with frustration and the usual sort of ‘academic’ drama, one thing led to another, and it was all a crime of opportunity.

  50. People agree with the multi culri nonsense in public but in private their views are very different:

  51. Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.

    Can we at least get five words into the piece without the blatant lies. She looks like she loves drama.

    I’m sure she was SHOCKED, absolutely shocked, to learn that most people in the field of white people studies are, white, of all things.

    When at first you don’t succeed, cry wahcism.

    (One imagines black studies aren’t the most “diverse” or even-handed fields either. And have even bigger problems with “black supremacy”)

  52. @Cato
    My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people's origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs.

    The Mary Rambarans of the world wouldn’t get anywhere without cadres of woke white millennials supporting them.

  53. Cambridge teaches a degree called Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic. So that’s for the high jump, then.

    P.S. Note the omission of an Oxford comma. Intended as passive-aggressive triggering, obviously.

  54. @ben tillman

    “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”
     
    We're being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    We’re being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    We’re at the stage where we must preserve the physical books so we can rebuild after the war.

  55. First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

    Awesome, does this show up in any modern genetic studies? No? Awesome.

  56. @Clifford Brown
    Anglo-Saxons were some of the first refugees to arrive in England and were themselves an ethnic minority in Medieval England. Anglo-Saxon refugees were often resented by xenophobic Celts and Picts. Their racist nativism often lead to violent conflicts with the newcomers.

    You would think that a Woman of Color would embrace intersectionality.

  57. One of the weirder things to happen academically is the total feminisation and SJWisation of Medieval Studies. I presume this is because History was so feminised that all the potential PhD students were primarily young women who view the world through a who-whom perspective that means the men of their society should be denigrated.

    This extends to all kinds of silly narratives. ‘Oh we got the Vikings all wrong you see! They were more civilised and set up towns, so the rape and pillage of the natives, totally endorsed by their religion which stated they were the chosen people was okay!’

    Together with: ‘Did you just suggest the Western colonialism left any positive legacies you bigot!’.

  58. @NJ Transit Commuter
    I thought the first sentence of the article was very funny.

    “Mary Rambaran-Olm hates drama.”

    Yup. I’m sure that she hates drawing attention to herself, and would much rather spend her time in a musty library doing comparisons of Medieval English and Low German grammar.

    People who say they ‘hate drama’ don’t realise that normal people don’t say it because normal people don’t find themselves (Outside 15 year old girls) encountering ‘drama’ enough to have an opinion. They say it because they constantly find themselves in drama and it’s not a coincidence.

  59. @Hail

    When the Saxon began to hate.
     
    When the Anglo-Saxonist began to hate.

    When the Anglo-Saxons finally hate
    They’ll find out they’re a bit too late

  60. @Herbert West
    The “Model Minorities“ are at it again.

    This is what “more high -skilled immigration” will always get you (unless all the high skilled immigrants are white)

    What? When has importing an ethnically alien overclass ever been a bad deal for the people of the land?

  61. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    It was never just about a name, said Eileen Fradenburg Joy, a scholar in the field and a former ISAS member.
     
    Well, your name is something special, Eileen. First name of an Irish banshee, then an Ashkenazi yenta psychologist, finished off with a touch of Puritan old maid.

    “And don’t call me Fraudenburg!”

  62. @PiltdownMan
    Rambaran is an Indian name, and appears to be common among in the Caribbean and in Mauritius among the descendants of Indian indentured plantation labor in those places.

    Mary Rambaran-Olm styles herself an "independent scholar."

    I speculate that either she did not make tenure in a regular department, or that she was unwilling to subject herself to the rigors of historical scholarship, choosing instead to produce imaginative and fanciful theses that were only supported by very light and superficial research. Since the olds were not willing to acknowledge her youthful brilliance, the charge of racism came in handy in trying to bring the whole infuriating white patriarchal structure down.

    It's something we're going to see more and more of, unless somebody influential on the left bells the cat and says the emperor of wokeness has no clothes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZTgX4UrVdE

    It’s something we’re going to see more and more of, unless somebody influential on the left bells the cat and says the emperor of wokeness has no clothes.

    The left is in the middle of a campaign to burn everything down, so don’t hold your breath.

    Half or so of Mary Rambaran-Olm’s “scholarship” amounts to calling white people racist: meeting a demand, I suppose, in woke academia. And she puts herself forward to become 2nd VP in this organization, which I guess is a pretty meaningless post; not desired by too many with real work to do; so the Woke are happy to fill it with a POC in service to their credentials; and she uses the position to get the microphone and let her inner dingo eat a few more babies.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    The urban areas are coming to the end of their story. San francisco loses power to 60k people [1] . Relying on homeless people (CATO 4321 people) to augment city funding[2]. East St. Louis has entire budget taken by IL State comptroller [3]. Trump asks EPA to lift local rule in San Franciscom [4]. Lists of cities going bankrupt at [5].

    The Left looks like it's all powerful; it's good at doing that. Politics is money, though. The medieval studies people are paid for their work. No pay, no play, everybody goes home and destroying "whiteness" in medieval studies stops.

    The other guy always looks formidable, whether he is or not. Doesn't mean much. Finance, public health, lack of competent population -- the cities are going down.

    Counterinsurgency


    1] https://abc7news.com/society/pg-e-restores-power-to-most-customers-affected-by-outage/5555482/

    2] https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/cities-with-the-most-homeless-people.html/

    3] https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article189491579.html

    4] https://www.thetrumptimes.com/2019/09/20/pw-trump-requests-federal-epa-crackdown-on-san-francisco-filth/

    5] https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/bankruptcy/us-cities-bankrupt/
    https://www.governing.com/gov-data/municipal-cities-counties-bankruptcies-and-defaults.html
  63. @Hail

    Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, [...], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland
     
    - Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    - Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins -- possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) -- Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada -- there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    - 2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor's thesis: "The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;"
    - 2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: "John's Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary," later published as a book in 2014, under the title: "John the Baptist's Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)"
    - Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    - 2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    - By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: "Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy"), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    - As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:


    I am...an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.
     
    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.
     
    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived

    Yeah, if you leap from ‘reviewer’ to ‘senior vice president’ without passing an academic position at all you sure are being discriminated against. Oh man, if it wasn’t for your skin color I’m sure you’d have gotten a call from Stockholm by now.

    And this brown worm entryist then proceeds to racely race race raciss in just a single year. Good thing she was kicked out.

  64. @Mr McKenna

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world.
     
    If only you were a native-English speaker, you might even know that the phrase "one of the only" is meaningless. Perhaps you mean "one of the few"? But who cares.

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     
    Or it could be your stupidity, but why pick nits?

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived

    Demanding to be judged by the color of her skin rather than the content of her character.

  65. Chesterton anticipated this sort of scholarship in The Flying Inn

    Loo-ook,” he said, wagging a curled brown finger, “loo-ook at your own inns” (which he pronounced as “ince”). “Your inns of which you write in your boo-ooks! Those inns were not poo-oot up in the beginning to sell ze alcoholic Christian drink. They were put up to sell ze non-alcoholic Islamic drinks. You can see this in the names of your inns. They are eastern names, Asiatic names. You have a famous public house to which your omnibuses go on the pilgrimage. It is called the Elephant and Castle. That is not an English name. It is an Asiatic name. You will say there are castles in England, and I will agree with you. There is the Windsor Castle. But where,” he cried sternly, shaking his green umbrella at the girl in an angry oratorical triumph, “where is the Windsor Elephant? I have searched all Windsor Park. No elephants.”

    “You will find the same trace of Asiatic nomenclature in the names of all your English inns,” he went on. “Nay, you will find it, I am almost certain, in all your terms in any way connected with your revelries and your reposes. Why, my good friends, the very name of that insidious spirit by which you make strong your drinks is an Arabic word: alcohol. It is obvious, is it not, that this is the Arabic article ‘Al,’ as in Alhambra, as in Algebra; and we need not pause here to pursue its many appearances in connection with your festive institutions, as in your Alsop’s beer, your Ally Sloper, and your partly joyous institution of the Albert Memorial. Above all, in your greatest feasting day—your Christmas day—which you so erroneously suppose to be connected with your religion, what do you say then? Do you say the names of the Christian Nations? Do you say, ‘I will have a little France. I will have a little Ireland. I will have a little Scotland. I will have a little Spain?’ No—o.” And the noise of the negative seemed to waggle as does the bleating of a sheep. “You say, ‘I will have a little Turkey,’ which is your name for the Country of the Servant of the Prophet!”

    And once more he stretched out his arms sublimely to the east and west and appealed to earth and heaven. The young lady, looking at the sea-green horizon with a smile, clapped her grey gloved hands softly together as if at a peroration. But the little old man with the fez was far from exhausted yet.

    “In reply to this you will object—” he began.

    “O no, no,” breathed the young lady in a sort of dreamy rapture. “I don’t object. I don’t object the littlest bit!”

    “In reply to this you will object—” proceeded her preceptor, “that some inns are actually named after the symbols of your national superstitions. You will hasten to point out to me that the Golden Cross is situated opposite Charing Cross, and you will expatiate at length on King’s Cross, Gerrard’s Cross and the many crosses that are to be found in or near London. But you must not forget,” and here he wagged his green umbrella roguishly at the girl, as if he was going to poke her with it, “none of you, my friends, must forget what a large number of Crescents there are in London! Denmark Crescent; Mornington Crescent! St. Mark’s Crescent! St. George’s Crescent! Grosvenor Crescent! Regent’s Park Crescent! Nay, Royal Crescent! And why should we forget Pelham Crescent? Why, indeed? Everywhere, I say, homage paid to the holy symbol of the religion of the Prophet! Compare with this network and pattern of crescents, this city almost consisting of crescents, the meagre array of crosses, which remain to attest the ephemeral superstition to which you were, for one weak moment, inclined.”

  66. @Redneck farmer
    The Arab Empire is, uh, DIFFERENT. Anyone with a name like Rambaran could tell you that.

    Rambaram, thank you ma’am.

  67. “This field … it’s just incredibly self-satisfied, smug, elitist, white and male,” Joy said.

    So in other words it is an intelligent, logical, worthwhile field.

  68. @ben tillman

    “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”
     
    We're being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    We’re being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    Many Whites are taking part and all are allowing it.

  69. @Jim Given
    This academic debate is just SO racist! Incredible that the North African and Middle Eastern influences they cite seem to be all Caucasian peoples! What about all of the great literature and scholarship produced in the medieval era by sub-Saharan Africans, members of the Negroid, Congoid and Capoid races?

    LOL

  70. All of these anti-white inquisitions are taking place in especially female-dominated fields: Medieval History, Literature, ‘Education’ etc.

  71. Why aren’t these “people” bullied into committing suicide on live TV yet? The west truly has grown cockless, I have a visceral disgust at this point

  72. @Cato
    My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people's origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs.

    Europeans did not invent science. Chinese and Indians and Arabs and even Central Americans had science.

    Europeans invented things like the scientific method and wide and transparent dissemination of results. Europeans invented peer reviewed papers, for example.

    In other words, Europeans invented the framework which allows science to thrive.

    • Replies: @Moses

    Europeans did not invent science...Europeans invented things like the scientific method
     
    Ermm, yeah. That totally makes sense. Not contradictory at all.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    No. You're using "science" the way people use it in the derided phrase "because science," but that's not science. Other cultures had discoveries and technology and theories about the way nature works, but Europeans invented science.
    , @dr kill
    That's true, think of all the Aztecs learned about human anatomy.
    , @Logan
    Ahh, but the scientific method IS science. Anything else is merely the body of knowledge presently but perhaps transiently derived by that method, subject to review and change at any time when the scientific method shows it to be flawed.

    Many societies have had a large body of knowledge, even something resembling technology, but if it wasn't derived using the scientific method, it isn't science.

    Some societies (Greece, medieval Islam, India, China) came close to developing true science based on the scientific method, but none got there. Generally for ideological reasons that prevented the development of the scientific method.

  73. @istevefan

    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.
     
    Does anyone actually claim England did not have any non-English in England at that time? There would surely have been ambassador-type people from other kingdoms, merchants and others who were just passing through. Perhaps they would have comprised about 0.3 percent of the population. Effectively, however, they would not even have registered on the census.

    But the presence of such a minuscule amount is now used to attack a strawman and somehow prove that what we think of English history is incorrect. That small amount is used to claim England was multicultural.

    If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? Why do they claim that the USA needs to diversify even now when the White population is down to 62%? After all, if a 99.7% English England can be considered diverse, why couldn't an 88% White America?

    I for one would love to have a 99.7% White America and would be more than happy to call it multicultural if that is what it would take to make it happen.

    If only there existed in some dusty library a highly detailed census of England, taken perhaps in the late 11th century, we might truly know just how diverse medieval England was.

  74. I’m in a field roughly adjacent to the Anglo-Saxonists and have a bit of commentary.

    1) Mary Rambaran-Olm is a mediocre scholar with like five publications to her name, among them a single solitary paint-by-numbers book (her dissertation) in which she studies the already ambundantly studied, edits and translates an Anglo-Saxon poem that has been very often edited and translated, and in general achieves nothing new. According to academia.edu she is an “independent scholar,” which means she has no appointment. She is a nobody.

    2) ISAS is indeed an important organization but the WaPo throws words like “prestigious” around to make news out of these non-events. Being the second vice president of ISAS brings one no prestige at all. Very few actual scholars ever sign on to help administrate their learned societies. People like Rambaran-Olm therefore accumulate in positions with ludicrous titles like “second vice president.” In reality they manage email listservs and bother you to renew your membership dues. These are service positions. Except in this case, Rambaran-Olm got tired of stapling conference schedules and decided to leverage her title for five minutes of fame.

    3) This banging on about whiteness in medieval studies has been going on for about three or four years now. It is exclusive to lit scholars (the least rigorous of medievalists) like Rambaran-Olm but of course they want the anxiety to spread. It started with a carefully manufactured controversy at a convention in Leeds, a freakout coordinated among a small group of scholars connected to this publishing venture called punctum books (they do not capitalize the name); it got into print through (one assumes) their connections the Chronicle of Higher Education. So this is more of the same. Note that towards the end of the article some odious excresence upon the human race named Eileen Joy is quoted. She is a punctum books associate. This is just more astroturfing.

    4) Contemporary sources from the Anglo-Saxon period acknowledge an ethnic group in England that is the Anglo-Saxons (sometimes calling them Angles, sometimes Saxons). This was not the only ethnic group in England, merely the most culturally dominant. There were also Britons and Picts and so on. But they cultivated the only written language widely current in England (aside from Latin), which we know of as Old English or (after the ethnic group who spoke it) Anglo-Saxon. The name is entirely appropriate. The ISAS people, who are cucking as hard as possible, write:

    The “term ‘Anglo-Saxonist’ is problematic. It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views, and has contributed to a lack of diversity among those working on early medieval England and its intellectual and literary culture…

    a) It cannot be problematic because that is the name of the subject matter under study.
    b) What does the second sentence even mean? Some people outside the field of Anglo-Saxon studies have called “those holding repugnant and racist views” Anglo-Saxons? What?
    c) I mean this is a tired point but until someone starts complaining that there are too many Indians studying Sanskrit or too many Chinese people studying the Ming Dynasty it is hard to see why primarily white people studying the past languages and cultures of white people is anything but something we should encourage, respect and cultivate.

    5) Wade, who appears to be friends with Rambaran-Olm (just going on the evidence of academia.edu profiles here), is responsible for this bit of nonsense:

    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

    People did not immigrate to England from “all over” in the Anglo-Saxon period. A very few elites (like Theodore of Canterbury) arrived from outside. These would still, today, be categorized almost exclusively as white. The vast, vast, vast majority of the population in Anglo-Saxon England was white. That is just the truth. Also the term “Anglo-Saxons” dates from very early, eighth century at the latest; its constituent parts (Angles and Saxons) are known in our earliest sources.

    6) More Wade, the gift who keeps on giving:

    Some of the most revered medieval texts draw heavily on literature produced by Spanish monks. Many in England were “totally obsessed” with travelogues about India and Egypt, Wade said. One prominent English king modeled currency on coins produced in Islam and another wrote to people in the Arab Empire asking for medical advice.

    Spanish monks are also white people. The early medieval English had no experience of India and Egypt. Abbasid dinars were current in the west in large part because of, uh, the slave trade (the Islamic world being fond of slave labor). Occasionally they were copied by western mints. A SINGLE GOLD DINAR copy survives from the reign of Offa of Mercia. It is rather a stretch to say that he “modeled” his “currency on “coins produced in Islam.”

    The rest of the article is just garbage and I can’t bring myself to type much more about. These people are all from hell.

    • Replies: @Philip Neal
    If she was actually interested in non-European contributions to medieval civilisation and had the talents to study them, she would have specialised in a later period when there really was substantial Arabic influence (the Crusades, the Mozarabs, the rediscovery of Aristotle, love poetry, magic, universities...) with original work still waiting to be done.

    I blame Chivalry. Medievalists are just too damn chivalrous towards mediocre, bullying crybabyies like this one.
    , @Aft

    until someone starts complaining that there are too many Indians studying Sanskrit or too many Chinese people studying the Ming Dynasty it is hard to see why primarily white people studying the past languages and cultures of white people is anything but something we should encourage, respect and cultivate.
     
    Bump, for very thorough comment ^^
  75. @Hail
    Dr. Rambaran-Olm's new book project is fast approaching publication -- co-authored with Dr. Erik Wade, who is mentioned in the article as her confederate in the bid to undermine the Anglo-Saxonist group and who resigned with her.

    Race in Anglo-Saxon England

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Cambridge Elements, 2020

    [....] This volume aims to shed light on race in the Anglo-Saxon period (roughly from the fifth century to the end of the eleventh century) and its relationship with Christian and non-Christian religious groups. Whereas previous scholarship has predominantly focused on Celtic and Scandinavian influences on various aspects of Anglo-Saxon artistry, culture and literature, this book will explore the impact on Anglo-Saxon England of a wider range of places like the Iberian Peninsula, Northern Africa and Asia. [....]
     


    this book will describe an early chapter in the history of race in Western Europe.
     
    The above description is as as posted at Academia.edu profile page she maintains.

    _____________________

    Forthcoming paper with the same Dr. Erik Wade:


    What's in a Name? The Past and Present Racism in 'Anglo-Saxon' Studies?

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Years Work in English, 2022
     

    Cashing in on the scandal!

    It looks like she's found a niche. Lots of sympathy, media praise, etc.

    _____________________

    There is a very light footprint online for this Mary R. Rambaran-Olm, PhD. One of the few traces of her is on the website of an academic grant-giving organization in the UK.

    She was of the four "award winners" [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:


    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD - 2018 - A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. [...]
     

    Haven’t seen you in a while. Glad you’re back.

  76. @Anon
    There are certain academics who, after a cluster of years in the field, begin to realize they're never going to contribute very much, mainly because they're intellectual lightweights. They've begun to notice that tenure and the good jobs at the more prestigious universities are going to their intellectual heavyweight colleagues. When they're socializing with other professors, they notice that they sound stupid in comparison, and they can't hold up their end in an intellectual argument with colleagues, and sometimes not even some of their students.

    At this point, the lightweight, often a female minority, becomes frantic and desperate when she finally realizes she can't keep pace with her more brilliant, mainly white male colleagues. The anguish is further compounded when she doesn't land a white male husband, preferably high status, which is her escape plan if her academic career doesn't work out. But quite often, the male she's angling for has heard enough pseudo-intellectual blather from her that he's disgusted by her stupidity and her underwater basket weaving-type papers in her field that he has read. He considers her an egotistical, screechy dud. Her failures cause her to start scheming like Lucretia Borgia. She delves into her female id and goes into full witch mode. She tries to backstab her colleagues and her entire intellectual field by screaming that everyone's bigoted against her, and conjures up a a media storm.

    Quite often, these attempts occur after her employer has just given her a review of her work, and failed to give her tenure. This is the academic world's way of saying, "Eh, you're really not that good. We made a mistake in hiring you, c'est la vie, now push off."

    This is entirely right.

  77. @Hail
    Dr. Rambaran-Olm's new book project is fast approaching publication -- co-authored with Dr. Erik Wade, who is mentioned in the article as her confederate in the bid to undermine the Anglo-Saxonist group and who resigned with her.

    Race in Anglo-Saxon England

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Cambridge Elements, 2020

    [....] This volume aims to shed light on race in the Anglo-Saxon period (roughly from the fifth century to the end of the eleventh century) and its relationship with Christian and non-Christian religious groups. Whereas previous scholarship has predominantly focused on Celtic and Scandinavian influences on various aspects of Anglo-Saxon artistry, culture and literature, this book will explore the impact on Anglo-Saxon England of a wider range of places like the Iberian Peninsula, Northern Africa and Asia. [....]
     


    this book will describe an early chapter in the history of race in Western Europe.
     
    The above description is as as posted at Academia.edu profile page she maintains.

    _____________________

    Forthcoming paper with the same Dr. Erik Wade:


    What's in a Name? The Past and Present Racism in 'Anglo-Saxon' Studies?

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Years Work in English, 2022
     

    Cashing in on the scandal!

    It looks like she's found a niche. Lots of sympathy, media praise, etc.

    _____________________

    There is a very light footprint online for this Mary R. Rambaran-Olm, PhD. One of the few traces of her is on the website of an academic grant-giving organization in the UK.

    She was of the four "award winners" [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:


    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD - 2018 - A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. [...]
     

    I need to update my list of the five shortest books ever published.

  78. It even infects English Heritage. Look at this video, both the presenter and makeup artist are wearing BPD uniforms.

  79. White peoples have no defense against this. None. It’s why we always lose and people of color always win.

    Civic Nationalism is a big part of this. Equality and fairness just are fancy words for surrender and appeasement.

    We will be erased and continue on if at all as a class of serfs to our non White masters.

    Unless we adopt the mindset that we are superior as is our history and culture and other peoples are not our master but servants. In that way this woman would scrub toilets and nothing more.

    Call it the Kobra Kai way. Strike hard. Strike first. No mercy.

  80. Just a gentle reminder:

    The ADL

    Google the autopsy photo of 14 year old MARY PHEGAN

    THE ADL…FOUNDED ON THE RAPE AND MURDER OF A 14 YEAR IRISH CATHOLIC GIRL….MARY PHEGAN…..

  81. Kudos to iSteve for this.

    And to those who have commented thus far.

    They’re all better than I am because after reading stuff like this, I have no idea where to start.

  82. @Paleo Liberal
    Europeans did not invent science. Chinese and Indians and Arabs and even Central Americans had science.

    Europeans invented things like the scientific method and wide and transparent dissemination of results. Europeans invented peer reviewed papers, for example.

    In other words, Europeans invented the framework which allows science to thrive.

    Europeans did not invent science…Europeans invented things like the scientific method

    Ermm, yeah. That totally makes sense. Not contradictory at all.

  83. @Hail
    Dr. Rambaran-Olm's new book project is fast approaching publication -- co-authored with Dr. Erik Wade, who is mentioned in the article as her confederate in the bid to undermine the Anglo-Saxonist group and who resigned with her.

    Race in Anglo-Saxon England

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Cambridge Elements, 2020

    [....] This volume aims to shed light on race in the Anglo-Saxon period (roughly from the fifth century to the end of the eleventh century) and its relationship with Christian and non-Christian religious groups. Whereas previous scholarship has predominantly focused on Celtic and Scandinavian influences on various aspects of Anglo-Saxon artistry, culture and literature, this book will explore the impact on Anglo-Saxon England of a wider range of places like the Iberian Peninsula, Northern Africa and Asia. [....]
     


    this book will describe an early chapter in the history of race in Western Europe.
     
    The above description is as as posted at Academia.edu profile page she maintains.

    _____________________

    Forthcoming paper with the same Dr. Erik Wade:


    What's in a Name? The Past and Present Racism in 'Anglo-Saxon' Studies?

    by Erik Wade and Mary Rambaran-Olm

    Years Work in English, 2022
     

    Cashing in on the scandal!

    It looks like she's found a niche. Lots of sympathy, media praise, etc.

    _____________________

    There is a very light footprint online for this Mary R. Rambaran-Olm, PhD. One of the few traces of her is on the website of an academic grant-giving organization in the UK.

    She was of the four "award winners" [i.e., to be given money] for 2018. More light may be shed on this somewhat bizarre little affair through a glance at the blurb they gave her:


    Mary Rambaran-Olm PhD - 2018 - A previous award winner from 2006 and 2008. It is a sad reflection on the state of academia that, ten years on, Mary still qualifies for our support. Lynne [a deceased academic in whose memory the grants are given] had a decade of temporary part-time positions and the situation today is, if anything, worse. [...]
     

    Given that Britain and most of Europe was largely Christian during the Mediaeval period, the notion that there were Middle Eastern and North African influences during that time is hardly revelatory.

  84. @newrouter
    Some classic Mary Rambaran-Olm:

    To Pee or Not to Pee: The State of Medieval Uroscopy in Late Medieval England

    Straight Outta Context: Race and Periodization in Early Medieval England.

    Bede, Bath & Beyond: Difficulties with Race and Periodization in Anglo-Saxon England”

    http://independentscholar.academia.edu/MaryRambaranOlm

    Imagine working for weeks on articles that less than a hundred people even look at, let alone finish.

  85. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loara_High_School

    I’m from the East Coast and I saw this High School in Orange County near Disneyland had a giant mural of a “Saxon” as its mascot. I was astonished as all I saw was Hispanic children entering.

    Wiki says demographics are ~12% white, 71% Hispanic.

    I assume the Saxon will be changed to an Aztec by my next visit to Disneyland?

    Any Californians aware of this? Is this a relic of when Orange County was the place good Republicans went to die?

    The Anaheim Unified School District HS mascots appear to be very Eurocentric or Whitecentric : Cypress HS Roman Centurions, Colonist, Anaheim HS Pioneers, Western HS Pioneers, Katella HS Knights, Savanna HS Rebels…

    This has to be a controversy in the near future.

  86. This non-European and non-White lady is all bent out of shape about who or what is interested in all things Anglo-Saxon? How come she got OLM in her name? OLM is Anglo-Saxon for clump of elms.

    This lady is screaming about a clump of crud that don’t mean nothing.

    Is this lady a half a Saxon? Younger women of all races like to be provocative. Provocative in terms of procreation and provocative just for the fun of it.

    Is this Mary Rambaran-Olm woman just pulling some kind of Cyndi Lauper “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun” horseshit? Serious people want to know!

    We can’t ask Lou Albano because he passed away in 2009. I thought Mr. Lou Albano was a marvelous showman and entertainer.

    What about the Normans?

    What about the workers?

    What about the carbohydrates?

    Those dastardly Saxons and Angles were horribly brutish to the indigenous Celtic British when they sauntered over the water about 1500 years or so ago and took over that island that the English and the Welsh and the Scottish share.

    The nice Normans had a lunch date with the Saxons in 1066 and settled things somewhat. The Normans had Bretons and Germans and Flemish and others along for the trip to have some adventure.

    The Bretons were all too happy to return to England to get some payback for the stuff that the Saxons pulled 500 years or so previously.

  87. @njguy73

    Anglo-Saxons were some of the first refugees to arrive in England and were themselves an ethnic minority in Medieval England. Anglo-Saxon refugees were often resented by xenophobic Celts and Picts. Their racist nativism often lead to violent conflicts with the newcomers.

     

    "Medieval Studies: Learn About A Thousand Years Of White People Killing Other White People"

    If that won't get POCs interested, I don't know what will.

    Sounds just like the Zulu and the Boers, only it didn’t take 1,000 years for the Zulu to come out on top.

  88. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    (((The Washington Post))) is again hatefully agitating against so-called “White Supremacy” and by extension White people in their own lands, and this time in regard to their own self-sense of history. Did the sun also rise this morning?

    If Jews had their way, Maya Angelou would be included in Anglo Saxon studies.

    The Anglo Saxonists were and are correct. Looking to Visigoth Spain (then also filled with snow-White people) for “inspiration” hardly contextualizes Anglo dominance. A smart person would know this, which makes this article trash Jewish propaganda.

    Why do brown people and a Jewish propaganda paper get to help define Anglo history? Do Anglos get to do the same for brown people and Jews, today?

    Brown people in the West and the Jewish group are the most culturally entitled people on the planet. The inevitably forced fall from that is going to be extremely difficult to experience for them.

    This article is one more reason why the regular group of Hasbara agents here are a laughing stock. You people are our most vicious enemy and will remain so. As you and we well know.

  89. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    See this poem alot… well… if the hate would activate sometime soon it would be great…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The late Florence King once wrote of a female relative who could turn "from Anglo to Saxon in a trice" when crossed.

    If you're going to cite Kipling, better "The Female of the Species".


    http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html

    She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.
  90. @Paleo Liberal
    Europeans did not invent science. Chinese and Indians and Arabs and even Central Americans had science.

    Europeans invented things like the scientific method and wide and transparent dissemination of results. Europeans invented peer reviewed papers, for example.

    In other words, Europeans invented the framework which allows science to thrive.

    No. You’re using “science” the way people use it in the derided phrase “because science,” but that’s not science. Other cultures had discoveries and technology and theories about the way nature works, but Europeans invented science.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "but Europeans invented science."

    Be more precise. It is Aristotle, a Greek, who was arguably the first to attempt an evidence-based natural philosophy (or “science”), melding empiricism with logic. So, no it is not "Europeans". Furthermore, Europeans heavily relied upon Chinese and Middle Eastern inventions and innovations.

  91. what’s the point of dedicating your life to Anglo Saxon or English Studies if you hate English (or more generally speaking, European) culture?

  92. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    If only they had the courage to say "fuck off". It really comes down to that. They would all have to do it. But no, they're thinking of their salary and benefits and their mortgage and yearly vacation to the Caribbean and their kids private school and tutoring and college tuition fees. So they just nod and agree with the angry entitled subcontinental bitch.

    If only they had the courage to say “fuck off”. It really comes down to that. They would all have to do it. But no, they’re thinking of their salary and benefits and their mortgage and yearly vacation to the Caribbean and their kids private school and tutoring and college tuition fees. So they just nod and agree with the angry entitled subcontinental bitch.

    In my pre-retirement life I had to listen to nonsense from these type of AA idiots very often. I learned quickly the art of “fogging”. You have no idea what those simian lip movement noises were supposed to mean. You say nothing, do nothing, show no reaction at all–slowly moving away to safety. When questioned you explain that you are very busy and have to be somewhere else.

  93. @Paleo Liberal
    Europeans did not invent science. Chinese and Indians and Arabs and even Central Americans had science.

    Europeans invented things like the scientific method and wide and transparent dissemination of results. Europeans invented peer reviewed papers, for example.

    In other words, Europeans invented the framework which allows science to thrive.

    That’s true, think of all the Aztecs learned about human anatomy.

  94. The cultural revolution keeps ratcheting up. All of the Whoms are now standing trial for white supremacy, guilty unless proven woke. Chaucer scholars and klansmen are now indistinguishable in the eyes of our elites.

  95. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddenly bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    A good EEEV-a-ning freeeeeeends!!

  96. Desperation indeed. Jobs in the field are to be given to patronage employees, POC, and for this to happen the field’s content has to be destroyed. Only thus can the POC, who will know little and care less, survive existing review processes.

    This is another example of Whites being driven out of cities and out of urban employment. The urban parties are getting desperate for income, and their coalition is getting desperate for rewards to POC members of their coalition. The “abolish whiteness” theme looks to them like a winning strategy in the long term, although actually in the long term it is a misallocation of capital, a weakness.

    As to the 60% of the members who support the change, well, they are playing a variant on this game:

    Counterinsurgency

  97. Never fear, medieval scholars. I can bring your benighted field into full woke popular culture relevancy.

    I suggest that the computerized colorization process be altered to create ersatz PoColorized ™ versions of all films (even the color films) that depicted medieval times.

    That way, you could create woke versions of movies like Robin Hood, with Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland. Of course, not just background characters would be colorized; in this film, I’d suggest that Errol Flynn should be PoColorized ™ so he can get de Havilland by the end of the film.

    The oppressive Normans would be left as white; the Saxons would be shown as a beautiful rainbow of persons of color from all over Africa and the Mediterranean.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=BpqR6Ca-LL8

    • Replies: @Dube
    Hmm. Obviously, the film not only must be re-colorized, but the diction too must be altered.
    , @Anonymous
    You're joking, but I remember the colorized version of The Longest Day featured black soldiers storming the beaches.
  98. @Anon
    There are certain academics who, after a cluster of years in the field, begin to realize they're never going to contribute very much, mainly because they're intellectual lightweights. They've begun to notice that tenure and the good jobs at the more prestigious universities are going to their intellectual heavyweight colleagues. When they're socializing with other professors, they notice that they sound stupid in comparison, and they can't hold up their end in an intellectual argument with colleagues, and sometimes not even some of their students.

    At this point, the lightweight, often a female minority, becomes frantic and desperate when she finally realizes she can't keep pace with her more brilliant, mainly white male colleagues. The anguish is further compounded when she doesn't land a white male husband, preferably high status, which is her escape plan if her academic career doesn't work out. But quite often, the male she's angling for has heard enough pseudo-intellectual blather from her that he's disgusted by her stupidity and her underwater basket weaving-type papers in her field that he has read. He considers her an egotistical, screechy dud. Her failures cause her to start scheming like Lucretia Borgia. She delves into her female id and goes into full witch mode. She tries to backstab her colleagues and her entire intellectual field by screaming that everyone's bigoted against her, and conjures up a a media storm.

    Quite often, these attempts occur after her employer has just given her a review of her work, and failed to give her tenure. This is the academic world's way of saying, "Eh, you're really not that good. We made a mistake in hiring you, c'est la vie, now push off."

    Superb comment Anon[429]. You’ve nailed it. Perhaps she’s angling for a position in a “Gender Studies” department, or should I say “Bitching-About-Men Studies”?

  99. @ben tillman

    “The name change encapsulates a much larger issue of how medieval studies must wrestle with its own disciplinary history of racism and its connections to whiteness,” Wade said. “When something as small as changing an organization’s name generates this kind of pushback, that suggests how entrenched these hierarchies are.”
     
    We're being erased. Our history, our present, our future. It is genocide in progress.

    And if you look at this program from 30,000 feet you can see their background message explicitly. They are saying, “that’s right, it is genocide in progress, and there is nothing you are going to do to stop us.”

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    They are saying, “that’s right, it is genocide in progress, and there is nothing you are going to do to stop us.”
     
    "Every side, in every war, claims that it will ultimately win."
    Theron Ware, a sorcerer, in book: _Black Easter_, James Blish.

    Counterinsurgency
  100. by Hannah Natanson

    Every time. Every time!

    About 75 percent of ISAS’s 582 members participated in the vote to change the group’s name, and the motion passed with a roughly 60 percent majority

    And speaking of triple-parentheses, surely I can’t be the only one here who would be interested in discovering whether – and to what extent – the turmoil tearing ISAS apart was maliciously bankrolled by the gorgon Donna Zuckerberg, who is as hard at work at controlling the past as her brother Augustus is at controlling the present.

    Granted, the Zuckermonsters wallow in the type of privilege and entitlement most Anglo-Saxons will never experience…but peering down at the rest of us from Kosher Olympus was always lagniappe to them, never the main objective. And they’re just cunning enough to realize that not only is there less risk involved when you underwrite the assault on white civilization rather than lead the charge yourself, but you get to write off whatever it’s cost you.

  101. Some random observations:

    This woman needs to be made an example of in the worst way. the only question will anybody do it? She is on someone else’s turf an needs to be publicly spanked badly not just as a racist anti-Westerner but as someone who tried to use fake history to twist around the truth. Attack her research and the other parts will reveal themselves.

    This woman might identify with her brown mother or other non Anglo-Saxon relatives more than her father which is why she hates to dominant culture so much. A million years won’t change the fact that they had no impact on the culture in its early stages and she is just an intruder. That has to sting.

    OT – I have a child in an elementary school and to the best of my knowledge there is not a single male teacher in his school. Much of what you see in academia is not just anti white, anti West but a social convergence where academia becomes a female only environment. This is a herd of cows the runs the organization.

  102. Another dreary scholar hating the culture she lives in. If Anglo-Saxons are that bad go someplace else, please, but spare me your adolescent mewings.

  103. @Anon
    There are certain academics who, after a cluster of years in the field, begin to realize they're never going to contribute very much, mainly because they're intellectual lightweights. They've begun to notice that tenure and the good jobs at the more prestigious universities are going to their intellectual heavyweight colleagues. When they're socializing with other professors, they notice that they sound stupid in comparison, and they can't hold up their end in an intellectual argument with colleagues, and sometimes not even some of their students.

    At this point, the lightweight, often a female minority, becomes frantic and desperate when she finally realizes she can't keep pace with her more brilliant, mainly white male colleagues. The anguish is further compounded when she doesn't land a white male husband, preferably high status, which is her escape plan if her academic career doesn't work out. But quite often, the male she's angling for has heard enough pseudo-intellectual blather from her that he's disgusted by her stupidity and her underwater basket weaving-type papers in her field that he has read. He considers her an egotistical, screechy dud. Her failures cause her to start scheming like Lucretia Borgia. She delves into her female id and goes into full witch mode. She tries to backstab her colleagues and her entire intellectual field by screaming that everyone's bigoted against her, and conjures up a a media storm.

    Quite often, these attempts occur after her employer has just given her a review of her work, and failed to give her tenure. This is the academic world's way of saying, "Eh, you're really not that good. We made a mistake in hiring you, c'est la vie, now push off."

    This. Pournelle’s Law becoming ugly.
    Could this have been prevented by embracing pure teaching instead of publish or perish?
    (I mean, experts are agreeing that a guy has actually found Milton’s hand-annotated copy of Shakespeare, and connected specific notes to later Milton compositions, which is amazing, but really, what big discovery is just around the corner in medievalism?)

  104. According to this map, which apparently appeared first on Reddit, the “largest ethnic minorities” across Europe are “it’s all white people”, except for Denmark’s Eskimos, and Hungary and Portugal’s gypsies. (Even Ireland’s “Romani” are white.)

    Even if you take the cartographer’s disclaimer that these are the largest native minorities, there are still boners. As you can imagine, the comments tear right into this:

    Largest ethnic minorities in Europe [OC] [1837×1655] from MapPorn

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The map shows up at the library but not at home. So here it is again:


    https://imgur.com/r/MapPorn/Hgujon1
    , @Flip
    I didn’t know Silesians were a separate ethnic group.
  105. @Anon
    There are certain academics who, after a cluster of years in the field, begin to realize they're never going to contribute very much, mainly because they're intellectual lightweights. They've begun to notice that tenure and the good jobs at the more prestigious universities are going to their intellectual heavyweight colleagues. When they're socializing with other professors, they notice that they sound stupid in comparison, and they can't hold up their end in an intellectual argument with colleagues, and sometimes not even some of their students.

    At this point, the lightweight, often a female minority, becomes frantic and desperate when she finally realizes she can't keep pace with her more brilliant, mainly white male colleagues. The anguish is further compounded when she doesn't land a white male husband, preferably high status, which is her escape plan if her academic career doesn't work out. But quite often, the male she's angling for has heard enough pseudo-intellectual blather from her that he's disgusted by her stupidity and her underwater basket weaving-type papers in her field that he has read. He considers her an egotistical, screechy dud. Her failures cause her to start scheming like Lucretia Borgia. She delves into her female id and goes into full witch mode. She tries to backstab her colleagues and her entire intellectual field by screaming that everyone's bigoted against her, and conjures up a a media storm.

    Quite often, these attempts occur after her employer has just given her a review of her work, and failed to give her tenure. This is the academic world's way of saying, "Eh, you're really not that good. We made a mistake in hiring you, c'est la vie, now push off."

    Mary Rambaran-Olm isn’t a scholar in the actual sense. She is a self promoting Hindu race hustler angry at white alpha males who find her physically repulsive. Imagine the halitosis that goes with that face.

    “CFP FOR SPECIAL 10
    th
    -ANNIVERSARY ISSUE OF
    POSTMEDIEVAL
    DEADLINE FOR ABSTRACTS: JUNE 1, 2019 Race, Revulsion, and Revolution Guest Editors: M. Rambaran-Olm, M. Breann Leake, Micah Goodrich

    The global resurgence of fascist leaders, the violent terrorist attacks of white supremacists, and racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, and other hate-fueled rhetoric that has come to dominate our public and private forums of life makes it clear that we must collectively push back against institutionally sanctioned hate to help ensure the safety of our marginalized community members and to safeguard the futures we anticipate.”

    https://www.academia.edu/38370892/Race_Revulsion_and_Revolution

  106. This is what happens when you try to be politically correct and inclusive of people into a group that has absolutely nothing to do with them or their history…

    It is Anglo-Saxons’ history and accomplishments that society was created to discuss and celebrate, not Middle Eastern or Northern African or even Spanish.

    By the time the smoke clears now every single meeting and/or event will be focused on every other group but Anglo-Saxons.

    • Replies: @Logan
    If they want to have scholarly discussion about these other groups, why not join or start one to do so?

    As a sidenote, they have just released the casting for Wheel of Time, an attempt to create the next Game of Thrones, from a different fantasy series.

    They've completely screwed it up. In the books, most of the main characters are quite obviously "white." But they've cast a majority as various POCs. Most of them come from a small isolated area, kind of like the Shire. They've been isolated for centuries, so interbreeding has created a generic look, as it tends to do.

    When they leave the area, people will say things like, "You look like you're from the Two Rivers." But the cast for the characters from there is wildly diverse. It "looks like America," which means they lose this aspect of the story entirely.
  107. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    So when does this great counterwave of Saxon hate begin? tick tick tick tick tick

  108. @Anon7
    Never fear, medieval scholars. I can bring your benighted field into full woke popular culture relevancy.

    I suggest that the computerized colorization process be altered to create ersatz PoColorized (tm) versions of all films (even the color films) that depicted medieval times.

    That way, you could create woke versions of movies like Robin Hood, with Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland. Of course, not just background characters would be colorized; in this film, I’d suggest that Errol Flynn should be PoColorized (tm) so he can get de Havilland by the end of the film.

    The oppressive Normans would be left as white; the Saxons would be shown as a beautiful rainbow of persons of color from all over Africa and the Mediterranean.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=BpqR6Ca-LL8

    Hmm. Obviously, the film not only must be re-colorized, but the diction too must be altered.

  109. Almost all the medievalists will roll over and die, except for Rachel Fulton Brown and perhaps a few others. The mass-surrender of identity, history, and even religious belief continues. All it takes is a scolding from someone on TV! It seems the denizens of the Anglosphere, in particular, lack courage and resolve.

  110. @newrouter
    Some classic Mary Rambaran-Olm:

    To Pee or Not to Pee: The State of Medieval Uroscopy in Late Medieval England

    Straight Outta Context: Race and Periodization in Early Medieval England.

    Bede, Bath & Beyond: Difficulties with Race and Periodization in Anglo-Saxon England”

    http://independentscholar.academia.edu/MaryRambaranOlm

    Some classic Mary Rambaran-Olm:

    To Pee or Not to Pee: The State of Medieval Uroscopy in Late Medieval England

    Straight Outta Context: Race and Periodization in Early Medieval England.

    Bede, Bath & Beyond: Difficulties with Race and Periodization in Anglo-Saxon England”

    These low wattage diversity hires seem to exhaust whatever meager brain power they have on “clever” punny titles, but once you get in the weeds, it’s typically an impenetrable thicket of plug and play woke humanities jargon clauses strung together in paragraph length sentences.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    The fact that their titles always depend on a colon offers a clue to the quality of their emissions.
  111. @Reg Cæsar
    According to this map, which apparently appeared first on Reddit, the "largest ethnic minorities" across Europe are "it's all white people", except for Denmark's Eskimos, and Hungary and Portugal's gypsies. (Even Ireland's "Romani" are white.)

    Even if you take the cartographer's disclaimer that these are the largest native minorities, there are still boners. As you can imagine, the comments tear right into this:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6wydzh/largest_ethnic_minorities_in_europe_oc_1837x1655/

    The map shows up at the library but not at home. So here it is again:

    View post on imgur.com

  112. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    This stuff would be funny if it wasn’t so creepy. They are attempting to alter history itself, and I suspect they will succeed. As more people prefer this new version of history to the real history, it will change. As white populations shrink, so too will their history, because it won’t flatter the new majority.

  113. @Hail

    Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, [...], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland
     
    - Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    - Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins -- possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) -- Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada -- there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    - 2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor's thesis: "The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;"
    - 2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: "John's Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary," later published as a book in 2014, under the title: "John the Baptist's Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)"
    - Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    - 2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    - By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: "Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy"), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    - As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:


    I am...an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.
     
    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.
     
    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     

    “my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived”

    Skin color cannot “impede”. Skin color would be an adjective, an attribute. Impeding requires an active subject. If she reasons no better than she talks…..

    “the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis /səˌpɪər ˈhwɔːrf/, or Whorfianism is a principle claiming that the structure of a language affects its speakers’ world view or cognition” Wiki

    so, speaking as she does, she cannot but help commit logical fallacies and fall into cognitive pitfalls.

  114. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "One English King... wrote to people in the Arab Empire..."

    Ahem.

    The "Arab" Empire?!?

    WHAT "Arab" Empire could she possibly be talking about? Surely she means the Yemeni-Greco-Syrian-Phoenician-Roman-Cretan-Berber-Arab-Persian-Babylonian-Coptic-Judaic-Assyrian-Kurdish-Turkic-Hindic-Seljuk-Khazar-Uzbek-Sarmatian-Circassian-Maltese-Ethiopian-Armenian-Caucasian-Sicilian Empire?

    There never was an "Arab" empire. This is pure fantasy.

    If we are to have multiculturalism at gunpoint, then by all means let us have an inclusive, diverse, /multicultural/ multiculturalism.

    Real scholars don’t refer to an “Arab empire.” There is the Rashidun Caliphate, the Omayad Caliphate, and the Abbasid Caliphate.

    After which things fell apart into a host of other states: Fatimids, Emirate of Cordoba, etc.

    But the term Arab Empire isn’t really correct for any period.

  115. @nymom
    This is what happens when you try to be politically correct and inclusive of people into a group that has absolutely nothing to do with them or their history...

    It is Anglo-Saxons' history and accomplishments that society was created to discuss and celebrate, not Middle Eastern or Northern African or even Spanish.

    By the time the smoke clears now every single meeting and/or event will be focused on every other group but Anglo-Saxons.

    If they want to have scholarly discussion about these other groups, why not join or start one to do so?

    As a sidenote, they have just released the casting for Wheel of Time, an attempt to create the next Game of Thrones, from a different fantasy series.

    They’ve completely screwed it up. In the books, most of the main characters are quite obviously “white.” But they’ve cast a majority as various POCs. Most of them come from a small isolated area, kind of like the Shire. They’ve been isolated for centuries, so interbreeding has created a generic look, as it tends to do.

    When they leave the area, people will say things like, “You look like you’re from the Two Rivers.” But the cast for the characters from there is wildly diverse. It “looks like America,” which means they lose this aspect of the story entirely.

  116. @Hail

    When the Saxon began to hate.
     
    When the Anglo-Saxonist began to hate.

    The Saxon began to hate.
    When Saxony was in a terrible state.
    But it was far, far too late.

  117. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    I hate to ruin a good story, but there is no such poem.

    The poem is “The Beginnings” by R. Kipling.

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_beginnings.htm

    The tag line is, “When the English began to hate.”

    It was written during WWI, aimed at the indisputably white Germans.

    If somebody wants to promote a cause, they should have the decency to write their own stuff, not plagiarize a dead guy.

    • Replies: @Hail
    When was the stronger, modified version first circulated?
  118. @Paleo Liberal
    Europeans did not invent science. Chinese and Indians and Arabs and even Central Americans had science.

    Europeans invented things like the scientific method and wide and transparent dissemination of results. Europeans invented peer reviewed papers, for example.

    In other words, Europeans invented the framework which allows science to thrive.

    Ahh, but the scientific method IS science. Anything else is merely the body of knowledge presently but perhaps transiently derived by that method, subject to review and change at any time when the scientific method shows it to be flawed.

    Many societies have had a large body of knowledge, even something resembling technology, but if it wasn’t derived using the scientific method, it isn’t science.

    Some societies (Greece, medieval Islam, India, China) came close to developing true science based on the scientific method, but none got there. Generally for ideological reasons that prevented the development of the scientific method.

    • Replies: @Alden
    The scientific method is the scholastic method developed in 900AD Paris in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries that later became the Sorbonne. Within 100 years it spread to Oxford and monastic cathedral libraries and scholarly communities all over Europe.

    The scientific method is the ancient European Catholic scholastic method.

    I see Jewish enlightenment anti European Christian propaganda has prevailed. That doesn’t mean it’s true.
    , @Olorin
    3rd century BC Greece likely got there.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19890668-the-forgotten-revolution

    Chicks like the above--and males of similar low quality--are the reason advanced science gets forgotten.

    They bicker over terminology to advance their careers, which impresses weak minds...and does double duty barring higher intelligence from the academy. But they are incapable of contributing anything other than adversarial nattering. They are a sort of mishmosh of featherweight prize fighters and street corner prostitutes. They demand everyone forget the greatness they can never comprehend, never mind generate. Their realm is entertainment for the masses.

  119. We all know that at the end of the day all this bullshit is paid for with money taken from white men.
    Stop the cashflow and women like this will revert to their free market economic activities
    $20 blow-jobs in downtown Baltimore.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency

    Stop the cashflow and women like this will revert to their free market economic activities
    $20 blow-jobs in downtown Baltimore.
     
    Not "will". The word is "have", past tense. See sites below [1,2]

    This is immensely saddening, roughly comparable to selling women arsenic wafers to "lighten their complexion" back in the 1800s [3].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sugar-baby-colleges_n_2475001?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANgasMKto8OEDieLQFfp4_6jsZ4ZJshWksNreFofwi1H0dHEYSo_RySm81AQKdcxPVDves7pb4aqht8tqpiFeRZ7LjM5Ze0XXOBuino-0LNN8YBhQuAyy3SYoqAlWoiEdd47YoQJxwl5w3LRVUdOVjYb4asoodSQ13MdxWFCFfUc

    2] https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/advice/a5090/sugar-babies/

    3] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/09/ingredients-lipstick-makeup-cosmetics-science-history/
  120. Anglo Saxon

    a phrase that is co-opted today by white supremacists around the world

    Any examples?

    to advance a false version of white-dominated history.

    Any examples?

    The term “Anglo-Saxonist” is problematic.

    It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views,

    Is there evidence for this?

    An Anglo-Saxonist is a person who studies the history, literature, or archaeology of the Anglo-Saxon period in England. Nobody else uses the term.

    Perhaps the writer means “Anglo-Saxon”. In addition to its literal meaning, this term is used by two groups of people: the French, who cannot bear to use the word “anglophone”, and replace it with the name of the last English-speakers that they conquered; and (usually in combination with “white” and “protestant”) by Americans who are not of British descent, to describe those who are.

    Are there any examples of “Anglo-Saxonist” or “Anglo-Saxon” to mean “those holding repugnant and racist views”? Any at all. Just one example will do.

    The discipline of English medieval studies — which is overwhelmingly white — focuses on literature, art and culture produced between roughly A.D. 500 and 1500 in England.

    At last! An accurate statement!

    The term “Anglo Saxon” has come to symbolize this particular vision of white medieval dominance, Wade said — a vision that is completely wrong for several reasons.

    This is the ultimate straw man. To whom has it “come to symbolize” these things? Herself?

    The false historical narrative that white people — in particular, Anglo Saxon people — were the only race to produce worthwhile literature, art and scientific discoveries during the Middle Ages took root when “professional medieval studies” launched in Britain in the late 1700s, according to Wade….

    Back to falsehood again. Who believes this “false historical narrative”?

    “This field … it’s just incredibly self-satisfied, smug, elitist, white and male,” Joy said.

    Ah, so they’re male as well. Sailer’s law of female journalism could usefully be generalised here.

    Hannah Natanson is a reporter covering social issues in the D.C. metro area. She joined The Washington Post as an intern in June 2018.

    It’s an ignorant article written by someone not old enough to know the meaning of the words she uses. Yet it is destined to become an accepted part of our history.

    The article itself not only attempts to retcon a false history of a scholarly field; it is more sinister than that.

    First “Anglo-Saxonists” will be abolished. Then the term “Anglo-Saxon” itself. The goal is to make people forget that there ever were Anglo-Saxons, or that we are descended from them. The state that we are in now, it was ever thus. Anyone who mentions the words “Anglo Saxon”, except with condemnation, will be “repugnant and racist”.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Alden
    Until around 1820s , romantic movement and Walter Scott’s novels about Scots and Ivanhoe which was Saxons vs Norman’s, most English medieval history was focused on the Normans and the so called Norman aristocracy.

    Seems to me the Anglo Saxon scholar association doesn't know that much about English medieval history.

    Standard for all non STEM academics.
  121. @Mr McKenna

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world.
     
    If only you were a native-English speaker, you might even know that the phrase "one of the only" is meaningless. Perhaps you mean "one of the few"? But who cares.

    I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     
    Or it could be your stupidity, but why pick nits?

    Right you are. One of the few or the only Anglo saxonists persons of crap.

    Things haven’t changed. Back in the olden days when I was in college most of the medieval history profs were White Jewish communists who taught anti Christianity anti the European peoples propaganda. There was a lot of the glories of Islam sooo superior to the wretchedness of Christian Europe.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  122. 1. A great many people who go into academe (especially arts-and-sciences, teacher-training, social work, and law) are loosely wired.

    2. In part because academe is a collecting pool of people who are revolted by ordinary workplaces and ordinary labor discipline

    3. She’s in a field where operational measures of competence are weak

    4. No one calls her out for this behavior

    5. The trustees at the institution where she is employed have never called in the department head and told him the clown car behavior stops or your department is shut down and you’re all out on the curb. And they never will.

    (It’s a reasonable wager she’s bad at her job, and raging at the patriarchy’s standards. She’s a soi-disant ‘indpendent scholar’, so people haven’t been hiring her).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  123. @Logan
    Ahh, but the scientific method IS science. Anything else is merely the body of knowledge presently but perhaps transiently derived by that method, subject to review and change at any time when the scientific method shows it to be flawed.

    Many societies have had a large body of knowledge, even something resembling technology, but if it wasn't derived using the scientific method, it isn't science.

    Some societies (Greece, medieval Islam, India, China) came close to developing true science based on the scientific method, but none got there. Generally for ideological reasons that prevented the development of the scientific method.

    The scientific method is the scholastic method developed in 900AD Paris in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries that later became the Sorbonne. Within 100 years it spread to Oxford and monastic cathedral libraries and scholarly communities all over Europe.

    The scientific method is the ancient European Catholic scholastic method.

    I see Jewish enlightenment anti European Christian propaganda has prevailed. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

    • Agree: Logan
    • Replies: @Logan
    As stated, I agree with your history. But not necessarily with who you charge with the attacks on it.
    , @Logan
    The problem with your prescription, one of them at least, is that Enlightenment thought had almost nothing to do with Jews. Many of its leading lights, notably Voltaire, were quite vocally anti-Semitic.
    , @Anon
    The scholastic method you're describing originated in Buddhist and Islamic Central Asia and spread to Medieval Europe. It differs from the experimental method of modern science. See Christopher Beckwith's Warriors of the Cloisters:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9871.html

    Warriors of the Cloisters tells how key cultural innovations from Central Asia revolutionized medieval Europe and gave rise to the culture of science in the West. Medieval scholars rarely performed scientific experiments, but instead contested issues in natural science, philosophy, and theology using the recursive argument method. This highly distinctive and unusual method of disputation was a core feature of medieval science, the predecessor of modern science. We know that the foundations of science were imported to Western Europe from the Islamic world, but until now the origins of such key elements of Islamic culture have been a mystery.

    In this provocative book, Christopher I. Beckwith traces how the recursive argument method was first developed by Buddhist scholars and was spread by them throughout ancient Central Asia. He shows how the method was adopted by Islamic Central Asian natural philosophers--most importantly by Avicenna, one of the most brilliant of all medieval thinkers--and transmitted to the West when Avicenna's works were translated into Latin in Spain in the twelfth century by the Jewish philosopher Ibn Da'ud and others. During the same period the institution of the college was also borrowed from the Islamic world. The college was where most of the disputations were held, and became the most important component of medieval Europe's newly formed universities. As Beckwith demonstrates, the Islamic college also originated in Buddhist Central Asia.

    Using in-depth analysis of ancient Buddhist, Classical Arabic, and Medieval Latin writings, Warriors of the Cloisters transforms our understanding of the origins of medieval scientific culture.
     
  124. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    Kipling wrote that as part of the WW1 English propaganda machine. He should have mentioned that descended from Saxon invaders 1800 years before English men were fighting real Saxons from the very large German province former powerful Kingdom of Saxony.

    Kipling wrote that poem to send other peoples sons off to be killed by Saxons and other Germans. He was devastated and never recovered emotionally when his only son was killed.

    100 years later, Germany rules the EU.

    As Woody Allen said about Tolstoy’s novel “ War, what is it good for?”

    • Replies: @EH
    Kipling's original had "English" in place of "Saxon".
  125. @James N. Kennett
    Anglo Saxon

    a phrase that is co-opted today by white supremacists around the world
     
    Any examples?

    to advance a false version of white-dominated history.
     
    Any examples?

    The term "Anglo-Saxonist" is problematic.

    It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views,
     

    Is there evidence for this?

    An Anglo-Saxonist is a person who studies the history, literature, or archaeology of the Anglo-Saxon period in England. Nobody else uses the term.

    Perhaps the writer means "Anglo-Saxon". In addition to its literal meaning, this term is used by two groups of people: the French, who cannot bear to use the word "anglophone", and replace it with the name of the last English-speakers that they conquered; and (usually in combination with "white" and "protestant") by Americans who are not of British descent, to describe those who are.

    Are there any examples of "Anglo-Saxonist" or "Anglo-Saxon" to mean "those holding repugnant and racist views"? Any at all. Just one example will do.


    The discipline of English medieval studies — which is overwhelmingly white — focuses on literature, art and culture produced between roughly A.D. 500 and 1500 in England.
     
    At last! An accurate statement!

    The term “Anglo Saxon” has come to symbolize this particular vision of white medieval dominance, Wade said — a vision that is completely wrong for several reasons.
     
    This is the ultimate straw man. To whom has it "come to symbolize" these things? Herself?

    The false historical narrative that white people — in particular, Anglo Saxon people — were the only race to produce worthwhile literature, art and scientific discoveries during the Middle Ages took root when “professional medieval studies” launched in Britain in the late 1700s, according to Wade….
     
    Back to falsehood again. Who believes this "false historical narrative"?

    “This field … it’s just incredibly self-satisfied, smug, elitist, white and male,” Joy said.
     
    Ah, so they're male as well. Sailer's law of female journalism could usefully be generalised here.

    Hannah Natanson is a reporter covering social issues in the D.C. metro area. She joined The Washington Post as an intern in June 2018.
     
    It's an ignorant article written by someone not old enough to know the meaning of the words she uses. Yet it is destined to become an accepted part of our history.

    The article itself not only attempts to retcon a false history of a scholarly field; it is more sinister than that.

    First "Anglo-Saxonists" will be abolished. Then the term "Anglo-Saxon" itself. The goal is to make people forget that there ever were Anglo-Saxons, or that we are descended from them. The state that we are in now, it was ever thus. Anyone who mentions the words "Anglo Saxon", except with condemnation, will be "repugnant and racist".

    Until around 1820s , romantic movement and Walter Scott’s novels about Scots and Ivanhoe which was Saxons vs Norman’s, most English medieval history was focused on the Normans and the so called Norman aristocracy.

    Seems to me the Anglo Saxon scholar association doesn’t know that much about English medieval history.

    Standard for all non STEM academics.

  126. @Tom-in-VA
    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing. Just a desire for a six week vacation and a retirement at 50. Their English daughters are raped and they do nothing, barely care. They are over. 42% of the children in Germany are now born to migrant parents. Germany is kaput. People should quit citing this poem. It’s like bringing up the martial virtues of the Romans when discussing the WW2 Italian army.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    "Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing."

    That appears to be correct. When the Muslims in the UK attacked Sikh girls, the Sikhs went hand-to-hand. When Arabs attacked Russian women in Murmansk, the Russians beat the crap out of them. European whites do absolutely nothing. They have no fight left in them.

    They are finished as a people. I'd be curious to learn of a historical episode where a high IQ group subsidized the importation of lower IQ people, allowing them to rape at will.

    It appears the wars killed off the best English men. That's no excuse for Sweden, though.
  127. From an article by Inside Higher Ed on the matter:

    There was backlash to the letter: Richard Utz, chair of the School of Literature, Media and Communication at the University of Georgia, wrote in Inside Higher Ed that he supports diversity but rejected “the dotted line the letter of concern insinuates between the faculty of the Medieval Institute, on the one hand, and the racist neo-Nazis marching in Charlottesville, Va., on the other.”

    Scholars in a number of fields, including medieval studies, have said they’re worried about the misappropriation of terms and symbols by white supremacist groups in recent years. And some of the “public interest (and some scholarship) is imbricated with some of the problematic traditions in the history of the reception of medievalia in postmedieval times (for example: nationalism, racism, toxic masculinity),” Utz also wrote. But instead of more “‘socially sorted’ sessions for intra-academic questions among those who already share a similar identity,” he said, “we need more occasions during which the academic drawbridge is lowered so that real and difficult conversations with nonacademic publics may happen.”

    Richard Utz (b.1961), no relation to Ron Unz (b.1961) despite the high degree of similarity in their names and birth years. Richard Utz, it turns out, is a German, born and raised and mainly a resident of Germany through age 30. Since the early 1990s, he has more often been in the USA.

    Dr. Utz’s “backlash” seems pretty weak, though. Most iSteve commenters could come up with something a lot better.

    Utz is saying about as follows: “Yes, good sirs, witches are very, very real, but we’re no wtiches. Those guys are! See them? It’s them!”

    And then there was backlash to the backlash. Joshua Eyler, a medievalist who is currently the director of faculty development at the University of Mississippi, for instance, wrote on his blog that Utz was missing the point.

    Listen, Eyler said, “to the loud calls coming from many angles by medievalists of color, LGBT scholars, early-career scholars and more. Or listen to the whisper networks that have always existed. But we must listen. [….]

    “And then there was backlash to the backlash.” This sounds like the makings of the title of an iSteve post. Or a Sailerism.

    Joshua Eyler
    – born ca. 1978; of Pennsylvania origin (York County);
    – White; likely major German ancestry (suggested by geographic origin, surname, and appearance);
    – Univ. of Connecticut, PhD, Medieval Studies, 2006;
    – Positions worked at since 2006:
    – – Director of Faculty Development at the University of Mississippi;
    – – Executive Director, Center for Teaching Excellence, Rice University;
    – – Adjunct Associate Professor of Humanities, Rice University;
    – – Associate Director of the Center for Teaching and Faculty Excellence, George Mason University;
    – – Assistant Professor and Assistant Chair of English, Columbus State University

    So do we have, in Dr. Eyler, a case of another relatively young medieval scholar — like Rambadan-Olm born in or about 1978 — who probably wishes his career were different, and as such is happy to toss gas on the flame here?

  128. @Reg Cæsar
    According to this map, which apparently appeared first on Reddit, the "largest ethnic minorities" across Europe are "it's all white people", except for Denmark's Eskimos, and Hungary and Portugal's gypsies. (Even Ireland's "Romani" are white.)

    Even if you take the cartographer's disclaimer that these are the largest native minorities, there are still boners. As you can imagine, the comments tear right into this:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6wydzh/largest_ethnic_minorities_in_europe_oc_1837x1655/

    I didn’t know Silesians were a separate ethnic group.

  129. Is Morris[h] dancing cultural appropriation?

  130. @Logan
    I hate to ruin a good story, but there is no such poem.

    The poem is "The Beginnings" by R. Kipling.

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_beginnings.htm

    The tag line is, "When the English began to hate."

    It was written during WWI, aimed at the indisputably white Germans.

    If somebody wants to promote a cause, they should have the decency to write their own stuff, not plagiarize a dead guy.

    When was the stronger, modified version first circulated?

    • Replies: @Logan
    No idea.

    It's being "stronger" is debatable.

    It wouldn't have worked in WWI, since there were lots of actual Saxons in the German Army, but none in Britain.
  131. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    See this poem alot... well... if the hate would activate sometime soon it would be great...

    The late Florence King once wrote of a female relative who could turn “from Anglo to Saxon in a trice” when crossed.

    If you’re going to cite Kipling, better “The Female of the Species”.

    http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html

    She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Recently watched a Jordan Peterson video on this very issue.

    Psychologically, according to him, women are, by evolutionary necessity focused on protection of the baby, who for a year is utterly and entirely helpless, and pretty much so for a long time after that.

    A women who "feels" her baby, or by extension other babies, is threatened is entirely unwilling to be moderate or reasonable. She will Protect The Baby, by "whatever means necessary," quite literally. As well she should. That woman are this way is the reason we are still around as a species.

    The problem, according to JP, is that increasing numbers of modern women do not have actual babies, and displace those compulsions onto protection of "marginalized groups." Defined, of course, by themselves.

    The problem of course is that some of these groups are not actually threatened. And that to protect them they are, again quite literally, willing to go to "whatever means necessary."

    Why people can use that phrase without a chill going up their spine I do not know. Just think about what it really means if taken, as words should be, at face value.

  132. There’s something just incredibly *unpleasant* about the sort of people who push into someone else’s stuff–their neighborhood, their university, their field of study, their nation–and then demand to change it, to rip it up.

    The real Anglo-Saxonists should answer by just creating their own organization to do real scholarship. The Real Anglo-Saxonists International Society–RASIS.

  133. @Hail
    When was the stronger, modified version first circulated?

    No idea.

    It’s being “stronger” is debatable.

    It wouldn’t have worked in WWI, since there were lots of actual Saxons in the German Army, but none in Britain.

  134. @Alden
    The scientific method is the scholastic method developed in 900AD Paris in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries that later became the Sorbonne. Within 100 years it spread to Oxford and monastic cathedral libraries and scholarly communities all over Europe.

    The scientific method is the ancient European Catholic scholastic method.

    I see Jewish enlightenment anti European Christian propaganda has prevailed. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

    As stated, I agree with your history. But not necessarily with who you charge with the attacks on it.

  135. @Reg Cæsar
    The late Florence King once wrote of a female relative who could turn "from Anglo to Saxon in a trice" when crossed.

    If you're going to cite Kipling, better "The Female of the Species".


    http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html

    She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

    Recently watched a Jordan Peterson video on this very issue.

    Psychologically, according to him, women are, by evolutionary necessity focused on protection of the baby, who for a year is utterly and entirely helpless, and pretty much so for a long time after that.

    A women who “feels” her baby, or by extension other babies, is threatened is entirely unwilling to be moderate or reasonable. She will Protect The Baby, by “whatever means necessary,” quite literally. As well she should. That woman are this way is the reason we are still around as a species.

    The problem, according to JP, is that increasing numbers of modern women do not have actual babies, and displace those compulsions onto protection of “marginalized groups.” Defined, of course, by themselves.

    The problem of course is that some of these groups are not actually threatened. And that to protect them they are, again quite literally, willing to go to “whatever means necessary.”

    Why people can use that phrase without a chill going up their spine I do not know. Just think about what it really means if taken, as words should be, at face value.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Interesting point. And persuasive. If I look at women I know personally, susceptibility to this sort of thing does seem associated with childlessness or late motherhood.
  136. @J.Ross
    Oh, trust me, they wish to God they could tell off astrophysicists and engineers and material scientists exactly like this. But there's math in the way.

    String theorist Lubos Motl blogged about this recently. He argues that new-left progressivism is capable of doing even more to retard human progress than old-left collectivism, because the old left might suppress exceptional individuals, but the new left suppresses the entire demographic from which most such individuals come.

  137. @bomag

    It’s something we’re going to see more and more of, unless somebody influential on the left bells the cat and says the emperor of wokeness has no clothes.
     
    The left is in the middle of a campaign to burn everything down, so don't hold your breath.

    Half or so of Mary Rambaran-Olm's "scholarship" amounts to calling white people racist: meeting a demand, I suppose, in woke academia. And she puts herself forward to become 2nd VP in this organization, which I guess is a pretty meaningless post; not desired by too many with real work to do; so the Woke are happy to fill it with a POC in service to their credentials; and she uses the position to get the microphone and let her inner dingo eat a few more babies.

    The urban areas are coming to the end of their story. San francisco loses power to 60k people [1] . Relying on homeless people (CATO 4321 people) to augment city funding[2]. East St. Louis has entire budget taken by IL State comptroller [3]. Trump asks EPA to lift local rule in San Franciscom [4]. Lists of cities going bankrupt at [5].

    The Left looks like it’s all powerful; it’s good at doing that. Politics is money, though. The medieval studies people are paid for their work. No pay, no play, everybody goes home and destroying “whiteness” in medieval studies stops.

    The other guy always looks formidable, whether he is or not. Doesn’t mean much. Finance, public health, lack of competent population — the cities are going down.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://abc7news.com/society/pg-e-restores-power-to-most-customers-affected-by-outage/5555482/

    2] https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/cities-with-the-most-homeless-people.html/

    3] https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article189491579.html

    4] https://www.thetrumptimes.com/2019/09/20/pw-trump-requests-federal-epa-crackdown-on-san-francisco-filth/

    5] https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/bankruptcy/us-cities-bankrupt/
    https://www.governing.com/gov-data/municipal-cities-counties-bankruptcies-and-defaults.html

  138. @Alden
    The scientific method is the scholastic method developed in 900AD Paris in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries that later became the Sorbonne. Within 100 years it spread to Oxford and monastic cathedral libraries and scholarly communities all over Europe.

    The scientific method is the ancient European Catholic scholastic method.

    I see Jewish enlightenment anti European Christian propaganda has prevailed. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

    The problem with your prescription, one of them at least, is that Enlightenment thought had almost nothing to do with Jews. Many of its leading lights, notably Voltaire, were quite vocally anti-Semitic.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Should have put a comma or an and between Jewish and enlightenment Meant Jewish and enlightenment
  139. @Alfa158
    And if you look at this program from 30,000 feet you can see their background message explicitly. They are saying, “that’s right, it is genocide in progress, and there is nothing you are going to do to stop us.”

    They are saying, “that’s right, it is genocide in progress, and there is nothing you are going to do to stop us.”

    “Every side, in every war, claims that it will ultimately win.”
    Theron Ware, a sorcerer, in book: _Black Easter_, James Blish.

    Counterinsurgency

  140. @Bill Jones
    We all know that at the end of the day all this bullshit is paid for with money taken from white men.
    Stop the cashflow and women like this will revert to their free market economic activities
    $20 blow-jobs in downtown Baltimore.

    Stop the cashflow and women like this will revert to their free market economic activities
    $20 blow-jobs in downtown Baltimore.

    Not “will”. The word is “have”, past tense. See sites below [1,2]

    This is immensely saddening, roughly comparable to selling women arsenic wafers to “lighten their complexion” back in the 1800s [3].

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sugar-baby-colleges_n_2475001?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANgasMKto8OEDieLQFfp4_6jsZ4ZJshWksNreFofwi1H0dHEYSo_RySm81AQKdcxPVDves7pb4aqht8tqpiFeRZ7LjM5Ze0XXOBuino-0LNN8YBhQuAyy3SYoqAlWoiEdd47YoQJxwl5w3LRVUdOVjYb4asoodSQ13MdxWFCFfUc

    2] https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/advice/a5090/sugar-babies/

    3] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/09/ingredients-lipstick-makeup-cosmetics-science-history/

  141. @istevefan

    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.
     
    Does anyone actually claim England did not have any non-English in England at that time? There would surely have been ambassador-type people from other kingdoms, merchants and others who were just passing through. Perhaps they would have comprised about 0.3 percent of the population. Effectively, however, they would not even have registered on the census.

    But the presence of such a minuscule amount is now used to attack a strawman and somehow prove that what we think of English history is incorrect. That small amount is used to claim England was multicultural.

    If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? Why do they claim that the USA needs to diversify even now when the White population is down to 62%? After all, if a 99.7% English England can be considered diverse, why couldn't an 88% White America?

    I for one would love to have a 99.7% White America and would be more than happy to call it multicultural if that is what it would take to make it happen.

    “If they want to consider a 0.3% minority population as constituting diversity, then why do they claim the USA was NOT diverse prior to 1965, when the minority population was perhaps 12%? ”

    I think asking for consistency from leftists is probably like waiting for aliens to discover the planet. Maybe it will happen, but you’ll probably die waiting.

    These are the same people who think that thinking racist private thoughts is bad because they will manifest in actual racist behaviour, but pedophiles who simply fantasize about children should be accepted since they aren’t forced to actually act on their urges.

  142. @Ibound1
    Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing. Just a desire for a six week vacation and a retirement at 50. Their English daughters are raped and they do nothing, barely care. They are over. 42% of the children in Germany are now born to migrant parents. Germany is kaput. People should quit citing this poem. It’s like bringing up the martial virtues of the Romans when discussing the WW2 Italian army.

    “Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing.”

    That appears to be correct. When the Muslims in the UK attacked Sikh girls, the Sikhs went hand-to-hand. When Arabs attacked Russian women in Murmansk, the Russians beat the crap out of them. European whites do absolutely nothing. They have no fight left in them.

    They are finished as a people. I’d be curious to learn of a historical episode where a high IQ group subsidized the importation of lower IQ people, allowing them to rape at will.

    It appears the wars killed off the best English men. That’s no excuse for Sweden, though.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    Anything that isn't explicitly white nationalist will become explicitly anti-white very soon. We are almost there now.
    , @ATBOTL
    A group of people that does not engage in spontaneous mob violence when its members are attacked by outsiders is a group that cannot survive for long. The biggest problem with modern white people, especially in America, is total reliance on the State for protection. At the same time, white Americans sacralize the worthless police who fail to protect them in a way that no other culture on earth does. Police are treated like rock stars by white people in America. It's sick.
  143. @PiltdownMan
    Rambaran is an Indian name, and appears to be common among in the Caribbean and in Mauritius among the descendants of Indian indentured plantation labor in those places.

    Mary Rambaran-Olm styles herself an "independent scholar."

    I speculate that either she did not make tenure in a regular department, or that she was unwilling to subject herself to the rigors of historical scholarship, choosing instead to produce imaginative and fanciful theses that were only supported by very light and superficial research. Since the olds were not willing to acknowledge her youthful brilliance, the charge of racism came in handy in trying to bring the whole infuriating white patriarchal structure down.

    It's something we're going to see more and more of, unless somebody influential on the left bells the cat and says the emperor of wokeness has no clothes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZTgX4UrVdE

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/jan/15/robin-hood-prince-of-thieves

    “Scanning the horizon, Azeem notices one of the evil Sheriff of Nottingham’s men in the distance, and whips out his telescope to have a closer look. Though the Islamic world was far ahead of Christian civilisation in many aspects of science and technology, it wasn’t ahead in telescopes, which were invented in the Netherlands in 1608.”

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    I think it’s really cool that one of Galileo’s telescopes is still around.

    https://www.space.com/21950-who-invented-the-telescope.html

  144. Is a “woman of color” not equal to a “colored woman”? Or is it the preposition “of” which makes it okay for Rambaran-Olm to point out her skin color in an academic setting?

    As someone most likely of English descent (with some Scotch-Irish and probably Native American), I was thrilled in graduate school to be able to study my probable ancestors and my native language’s origins through an “Anglo-Saxon Literature” course. I also loved a “Southern Literature” class. Being that the “Dixie Classic Fair” in North Carolina recently was viewed by its city’s commissioners as having a racist name, I wonder how long Southern Literature will be allowed to survive.

    Perhaps people of my heritage will be able to take classes in “African-American” literature, but we must ask if European-Americans can study this curriculum, or has it been created only for those with non-European heritage?

  145. @Laurence Whelk

    Some classic Mary Rambaran-Olm:

    To Pee or Not to Pee: The State of Medieval Uroscopy in Late Medieval England

    Straight Outta Context: Race and Periodization in Early Medieval England.

    Bede, Bath & Beyond: Difficulties with Race and Periodization in Anglo-Saxon England”
     
    These low wattage diversity hires seem to exhaust whatever meager brain power they have on "clever" punny titles, but once you get in the weeds, it's typically an impenetrable thicket of plug and play woke humanities jargon clauses strung together in paragraph length sentences.

    The fact that their titles always depend on a colon offers a clue to the quality of their emissions.

  146. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-14/pepe-aguilar-mexican-rodeo

    Pepe Aguilar’s ‘Rodeo Without Borders’ evokes old Mexico, with touches of L.A.

    By Gustavo Arellano
    Staff Writer
    Sep. 15, 2019
    6 AM

    In a city that loves rags-to-riches stories, few can match the saga of Pepe Aguilar and his family.

    But only some Angelenos know about it.

    His father, Antonio, slept on benches in Placita Olvera when he arrived in Los Angeles from Mexico in the 1940s with no papers but plenty of ambition. He triumphantly returned in the 1960s as a ranchera legend, with an espectáculo featuring his family that brought Mexico back to homesick immigrant L.A. audiences, if only for three hours.

    These extravaganzas, which interspersed music with rodeo events, evoked the rural traditions of Jalisco and Zacatecas, from where hundreds of thousands of Mexican Americans in the Southland trace their roots; what might’ve seemed like a circus act to non-Latinos was really an authentic, if romanticized, portrayal of culture of these Mexican states.

    I bet Arrelano’s steezers (and he himself) are as unacquainted with the niche performers who entertain (dot) Indians, Iranians, Russians or Armenians in LA as whites and those other groups are as ignorant of this crew. In fact, I bet most Mexican steezers in LA couldn’t name any Argentine, Chilean or Peruvian Spanish singers. They are as ignorant of the tango as they are of Kraftwerk, Allan Holdsworth, or Clarence Frogman Henry. (Though a few would be Morrissey fans and one or two might even be a fan of Heino.)

    Of course, I’d never heard of them either.

  147. @Logan
    Ahh, but the scientific method IS science. Anything else is merely the body of knowledge presently but perhaps transiently derived by that method, subject to review and change at any time when the scientific method shows it to be flawed.

    Many societies have had a large body of knowledge, even something resembling technology, but if it wasn't derived using the scientific method, it isn't science.

    Some societies (Greece, medieval Islam, India, China) came close to developing true science based on the scientific method, but none got there. Generally for ideological reasons that prevented the development of the scientific method.

    3rd century BC Greece likely got there.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/19890668-the-forgotten-revolution

    Chicks like the above–and males of similar low quality–are the reason advanced science gets forgotten.

    They bicker over terminology to advance their careers, which impresses weak minds…and does double duty barring higher intelligence from the academy. But they are incapable of contributing anything other than adversarial nattering. They are a sort of mishmosh of featherweight prize fighters and street corner prostitutes. They demand everyone forget the greatness they can never comprehend, never mind generate. Their realm is entertainment for the masses.

  148. @Ian Smith
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/jan/15/robin-hood-prince-of-thieves

    “Scanning the horizon, Azeem notices one of the evil Sheriff of Nottingham's men in the distance, and whips out his telescope to have a closer look. Though the Islamic world was far ahead of Christian civilisation in many aspects of science and technology, it wasn't ahead in telescopes, which were invented in the Netherlands in 1608.”

    I think it’s really cool that one of Galileo’s telescopes is still around.

    https://www.space.com/21950-who-invented-the-telescope.html

  149. @Alden
    Kipling wrote that as part of the WW1 English propaganda machine. He should have mentioned that descended from Saxon invaders 1800 years before English men were fighting real Saxons from the very large German province former powerful Kingdom of Saxony.

    Kipling wrote that poem to send other peoples sons off to be killed by Saxons and other Germans. He was devastated and never recovered emotionally when his only son was killed.

    100 years later, Germany rules the EU.

    As Woody Allen said about Tolstoy’s novel “ War, what is it good for?”

    Kipling’s original had “English” in place of “Saxon”.

  150. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    The scientific method is the scholastic method developed in 900AD Paris in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries that later became the Sorbonne. Within 100 years it spread to Oxford and monastic cathedral libraries and scholarly communities all over Europe.

    The scientific method is the ancient European Catholic scholastic method.

    I see Jewish enlightenment anti European Christian propaganda has prevailed. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

    The scholastic method you’re describing originated in Buddhist and Islamic Central Asia and spread to Medieval Europe. It differs from the experimental method of modern science. See Christopher Beckwith’s Warriors of the Cloisters:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9871.html

    Warriors of the Cloisters tells how key cultural innovations from Central Asia revolutionized medieval Europe and gave rise to the culture of science in the West. Medieval scholars rarely performed scientific experiments, but instead contested issues in natural science, philosophy, and theology using the recursive argument method. This highly distinctive and unusual method of disputation was a core feature of medieval science, the predecessor of modern science. We know that the foundations of science were imported to Western Europe from the Islamic world, but until now the origins of such key elements of Islamic culture have been a mystery.

    In this provocative book, Christopher I. Beckwith traces how the recursive argument method was first developed by Buddhist scholars and was spread by them throughout ancient Central Asia. He shows how the method was adopted by Islamic Central Asian natural philosophers–most importantly by Avicenna, one of the most brilliant of all medieval thinkers–and transmitted to the West when Avicenna’s works were translated into Latin in Spain in the twelfth century by the Jewish philosopher Ibn Da’ud and others. During the same period the institution of the college was also borrowed from the Islamic world. The college was where most of the disputations were held, and became the most important component of medieval Europe’s newly formed universities. As Beckwith demonstrates, the Islamic college also originated in Buddhist Central Asia.

    Using in-depth analysis of ancient Buddhist, Classical Arabic, and Medieval Latin writings, Warriors of the Cloisters transforms our understanding of the origins of medieval scientific culture.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    What is a "recursive argument?" Real question.

    Counterinsurgency
    , @Logan
    I'm considering reading this guy's book. But there's a significant problem.

    Western Europe, where the colleges developed, was quite thoroughly isolated from Central Asia.

    Nothing like this developed in Byzantium, which was a lot closer.

    , @Alden
    Total bull shit.

    And you didn’t write that piece of anti White anti European propaganda yourself did you? Just googled around and pasted it. And, you are so ignorant you don’t even know what the scholastic method developed Paris 900AD was do you?

    Hint, it had nothing to do with Buddhist philosophy and religion. Or any philosophy and religion.
    , @Alden
    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD

    Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are just a White hating racist bigot. You googled around till you found and pasted that nonsense.
    You don’t even know what the scholastic method is and I bet you don’t know what that Buddhist recursive method is either.

    I’m not impressed by Princeton either, any more than I was impressed by communist influenced Stanford in the 1960s. 1960s communist professors and universities.

    Nowadays White hating professors making up a lot of anti White anti European lies.

    Actually what you and the anti White bigot racist academics are doing nowadays is nothing more than a plagiarism copy repeat of 1600s 1800 enlightenment lies.

    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    It’s been done before, 1600 to 1800
  151. International Society of Anglo-Saxonists should be changed to International Society of White People.

    Or International Society of White Men.

  152. @Anon7
    Never fear, medieval scholars. I can bring your benighted field into full woke popular culture relevancy.

    I suggest that the computerized colorization process be altered to create ersatz PoColorized (tm) versions of all films (even the color films) that depicted medieval times.

    That way, you could create woke versions of movies like Robin Hood, with Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland. Of course, not just background characters would be colorized; in this film, I’d suggest that Errol Flynn should be PoColorized (tm) so he can get de Havilland by the end of the film.

    The oppressive Normans would be left as white; the Saxons would be shown as a beautiful rainbow of persons of color from all over Africa and the Mediterranean.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=BpqR6Ca-LL8

    You’re joking, but I remember the colorized version of The Longest Day featured black soldiers storming the beaches.

  153. @eugyppius
    I'm in a field roughly adjacent to the Anglo-Saxonists and have a bit of commentary.

    1) Mary Rambaran-Olm is a mediocre scholar with like five publications to her name, among them a single solitary paint-by-numbers book (her dissertation) in which she studies the already ambundantly studied, edits and translates an Anglo-Saxon poem that has been very often edited and translated, and in general achieves nothing new. According to academia.edu she is an "independent scholar," which means she has no appointment. She is a nobody.

    2) ISAS is indeed an important organization but the WaPo throws words like "prestigious" around to make news out of these non-events. Being the second vice president of ISAS brings one no prestige at all. Very few actual scholars ever sign on to help administrate their learned societies. People like Rambaran-Olm therefore accumulate in positions with ludicrous titles like "second vice president." In reality they manage email listservs and bother you to renew your membership dues. These are service positions. Except in this case, Rambaran-Olm got tired of stapling conference schedules and decided to leverage her title for five minutes of fame.

    3) This banging on about whiteness in medieval studies has been going on for about three or four years now. It is exclusive to lit scholars (the least rigorous of medievalists) like Rambaran-Olm but of course they want the anxiety to spread. It started with a carefully manufactured controversy at a convention in Leeds, a freakout coordinated among a small group of scholars connected to this publishing venture called punctum books (they do not capitalize the name); it got into print through (one assumes) their connections the Chronicle of Higher Education. So this is more of the same. Note that towards the end of the article some odious excresence upon the human race named Eileen Joy is quoted. She is a punctum books associate. This is just more astroturfing.

    4) Contemporary sources from the Anglo-Saxon period acknowledge an ethnic group in England that is the Anglo-Saxons (sometimes calling them Angles, sometimes Saxons). This was not the only ethnic group in England, merely the most culturally dominant. There were also Britons and Picts and so on. But they cultivated the only written language widely current in England (aside from Latin), which we know of as Old English or (after the ethnic group who spoke it) Anglo-Saxon. The name is entirely appropriate. The ISAS people, who are cucking as hard as possible, write:


    The “term ‘Anglo-Saxonist’ is problematic. It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views, and has contributed to a lack of diversity among those working on early medieval England and its intellectual and literary culture...

     

    a) It cannot be problematic because that is the name of the subject matter under study.
    b) What does the second sentence even mean? Some people outside the field of Anglo-Saxon studies have called "those holding repugnant and racist views" Anglo-Saxons? What?
    c) I mean this is a tired point but until someone starts complaining that there are too many Indians studying Sanskrit or too many Chinese people studying the Ming Dynasty it is hard to see why primarily white people studying the past languages and cultures of white people is anything but something we should encourage, respect and cultivate.

    5) Wade, who appears to be friends with Rambaran-Olm (just going on the evidence of academia.edu profiles here), is responsible for this bit of nonsense:


    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

     

    People did not immigrate to England from "all over" in the Anglo-Saxon period. A very few elites (like Theodore of Canterbury) arrived from outside. These would still, today, be categorized almost exclusively as white. The vast, vast, vast majority of the population in Anglo-Saxon England was white. That is just the truth. Also the term "Anglo-Saxons" dates from very early, eighth century at the latest; its constituent parts (Angles and Saxons) are known in our earliest sources.

    6) More Wade, the gift who keeps on giving:


    Some of the most revered medieval texts draw heavily on literature produced by Spanish monks. Many in England were “totally obsessed” with travelogues about India and Egypt, Wade said. One prominent English king modeled currency on coins produced in Islam and another wrote to people in the Arab Empire asking for medical advice.

     

    Spanish monks are also white people. The early medieval English had no experience of India and Egypt. Abbasid dinars were current in the west in large part because of, uh, the slave trade (the Islamic world being fond of slave labor). Occasionally they were copied by western mints. A SINGLE GOLD DINAR copy survives from the reign of Offa of Mercia. It is rather a stretch to say that he "modeled" his "currency on "coins produced in Islam."

    The rest of the article is just garbage and I can't bring myself to type much more about. These people are all from hell.

    If she was actually interested in non-European contributions to medieval civilisation and had the talents to study them, she would have specialised in a later period when there really was substantial Arabic influence (the Crusades, the Mozarabs, the rediscovery of Aristotle, love poetry, magic, universities…) with original work still waiting to be done.

    I blame Chivalry. Medievalists are just too damn chivalrous towards mediocre, bullying crybabyies like this one.

  154. @eugyppius
    I'm in a field roughly adjacent to the Anglo-Saxonists and have a bit of commentary.

    1) Mary Rambaran-Olm is a mediocre scholar with like five publications to her name, among them a single solitary paint-by-numbers book (her dissertation) in which she studies the already ambundantly studied, edits and translates an Anglo-Saxon poem that has been very often edited and translated, and in general achieves nothing new. According to academia.edu she is an "independent scholar," which means she has no appointment. She is a nobody.

    2) ISAS is indeed an important organization but the WaPo throws words like "prestigious" around to make news out of these non-events. Being the second vice president of ISAS brings one no prestige at all. Very few actual scholars ever sign on to help administrate their learned societies. People like Rambaran-Olm therefore accumulate in positions with ludicrous titles like "second vice president." In reality they manage email listservs and bother you to renew your membership dues. These are service positions. Except in this case, Rambaran-Olm got tired of stapling conference schedules and decided to leverage her title for five minutes of fame.

    3) This banging on about whiteness in medieval studies has been going on for about three or four years now. It is exclusive to lit scholars (the least rigorous of medievalists) like Rambaran-Olm but of course they want the anxiety to spread. It started with a carefully manufactured controversy at a convention in Leeds, a freakout coordinated among a small group of scholars connected to this publishing venture called punctum books (they do not capitalize the name); it got into print through (one assumes) their connections the Chronicle of Higher Education. So this is more of the same. Note that towards the end of the article some odious excresence upon the human race named Eileen Joy is quoted. She is a punctum books associate. This is just more astroturfing.

    4) Contemporary sources from the Anglo-Saxon period acknowledge an ethnic group in England that is the Anglo-Saxons (sometimes calling them Angles, sometimes Saxons). This was not the only ethnic group in England, merely the most culturally dominant. There were also Britons and Picts and so on. But they cultivated the only written language widely current in England (aside from Latin), which we know of as Old English or (after the ethnic group who spoke it) Anglo-Saxon. The name is entirely appropriate. The ISAS people, who are cucking as hard as possible, write:


    The “term ‘Anglo-Saxonist’ is problematic. It has sometimes been used outside the field to describe those holding repugnant and racist views, and has contributed to a lack of diversity among those working on early medieval England and its intellectual and literary culture...

     

    a) It cannot be problematic because that is the name of the subject matter under study.
    b) What does the second sentence even mean? Some people outside the field of Anglo-Saxon studies have called "those holding repugnant and racist views" Anglo-Saxons? What?
    c) I mean this is a tired point but until someone starts complaining that there are too many Indians studying Sanskrit or too many Chinese people studying the Ming Dynasty it is hard to see why primarily white people studying the past languages and cultures of white people is anything but something we should encourage, respect and cultivate.

    5) Wade, who appears to be friends with Rambaran-Olm (just going on the evidence of academia.edu profiles here), is responsible for this bit of nonsense:


    First of all, it was not a “monolithic white period”: People immigrated to England from all over (including places like Greece and North Africa), and would not have described themselves as “Anglo Saxon” at the time, said Wade, who resigned as a member of ISAS this week to show support for Rambaran-Olm.

     

    People did not immigrate to England from "all over" in the Anglo-Saxon period. A very few elites (like Theodore of Canterbury) arrived from outside. These would still, today, be categorized almost exclusively as white. The vast, vast, vast majority of the population in Anglo-Saxon England was white. That is just the truth. Also the term "Anglo-Saxons" dates from very early, eighth century at the latest; its constituent parts (Angles and Saxons) are known in our earliest sources.

    6) More Wade, the gift who keeps on giving:


    Some of the most revered medieval texts draw heavily on literature produced by Spanish monks. Many in England were “totally obsessed” with travelogues about India and Egypt, Wade said. One prominent English king modeled currency on coins produced in Islam and another wrote to people in the Arab Empire asking for medical advice.

     

    Spanish monks are also white people. The early medieval English had no experience of India and Egypt. Abbasid dinars were current in the west in large part because of, uh, the slave trade (the Islamic world being fond of slave labor). Occasionally they were copied by western mints. A SINGLE GOLD DINAR copy survives from the reign of Offa of Mercia. It is rather a stretch to say that he "modeled" his "currency on "coins produced in Islam."

    The rest of the article is just garbage and I can't bring myself to type much more about. These people are all from hell.

    until someone starts complaining that there are too many Indians studying Sanskrit or too many Chinese people studying the Ming Dynasty it is hard to see why primarily white people studying the past languages and cultures of white people is anything but something we should encourage, respect and cultivate.

    Bump, for very thorough comment ^^

  155. Envy is so unbecoming.

  156. @jbwilson24
    "Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing."

    That appears to be correct. When the Muslims in the UK attacked Sikh girls, the Sikhs went hand-to-hand. When Arabs attacked Russian women in Murmansk, the Russians beat the crap out of them. European whites do absolutely nothing. They have no fight left in them.

    They are finished as a people. I'd be curious to learn of a historical episode where a high IQ group subsidized the importation of lower IQ people, allowing them to rape at will.

    It appears the wars killed off the best English men. That's no excuse for Sweden, though.

    Anything that isn’t explicitly white nationalist will become explicitly anti-white very soon. We are almost there now.

  157. @jbwilson24
    "Neither the Saxons (nor the English of the original poem) have any hate in them any longer. No anger, no hate, no indignation, nothing."

    That appears to be correct. When the Muslims in the UK attacked Sikh girls, the Sikhs went hand-to-hand. When Arabs attacked Russian women in Murmansk, the Russians beat the crap out of them. European whites do absolutely nothing. They have no fight left in them.

    They are finished as a people. I'd be curious to learn of a historical episode where a high IQ group subsidized the importation of lower IQ people, allowing them to rape at will.

    It appears the wars killed off the best English men. That's no excuse for Sweden, though.

    A group of people that does not engage in spontaneous mob violence when its members are attacked by outsiders is a group that cannot survive for long. The biggest problem with modern white people, especially in America, is total reliance on the State for protection. At the same time, white Americans sacralize the worthless police who fail to protect them in a way that no other culture on earth does. Police are treated like rock stars by white people in America. It’s sick.

  158. @Chrisnonymous
    No. You're using "science" the way people use it in the derided phrase "because science," but that's not science. Other cultures had discoveries and technology and theories about the way nature works, but Europeans invented science.

    “but Europeans invented science.”

    Be more precise. It is Aristotle, a Greek, who was arguably the first to attempt an evidence-based natural philosophy (or “science”), melding empiricism with logic. So, no it is not “Europeans”. Furthermore, Europeans heavily relied upon Chinese and Middle Eastern inventions and innovations.

    • Replies: @BB753
    So, since the Industrial Revolution started in Great Britain, a tiny part of Europe like Greece, you can't say that it's a European innovation. I just don't understand your logic or lack thereof.
  159. @Cato
    My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people's origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs.

    “My past. Not theirs. My people conquered the world, invented science, created governments that could actually govern. Not theirs.”

    Only if you are able to trace directly back to your ancestors who were English, Dutch, Portuguese, French, or Spanish who actually did one or more of those things. Otherwise, you (and they) did not build that.

    “Not theirs. I would conclude, therefore, that my people’s origins and cultural base are much more worthy of study than theirs.”

    That would be an opinion. Of course, along the way during that study we would find out that they invaded the world and invited the world, jackbooting tens of millions of people in search of God, glory, and gold. Perhaps then today the chickens are coming home to roost. You know, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

  160. @Corvinus
    "but Europeans invented science."

    Be more precise. It is Aristotle, a Greek, who was arguably the first to attempt an evidence-based natural philosophy (or “science”), melding empiricism with logic. So, no it is not "Europeans". Furthermore, Europeans heavily relied upon Chinese and Middle Eastern inventions and innovations.

    So, since the Industrial Revolution started in Great Britain, a tiny part of Europe like Greece, you can’t say that it’s a European innovation. I just don’t understand your logic or lack thereof.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So, since the Industrial Revolution started in Great Britain, a tiny part of Europe like Greece, you can’t say that it’s a European innovation."

    Greece is two time smaller than Great Britain. Now, you can say the Industrial Revolution or science are "European", but you are not being entirely accurate. Moreover, you are probably taking away the credit deserved for recognizing who actually was responsible.
  161. @Anon
    The scholastic method you're describing originated in Buddhist and Islamic Central Asia and spread to Medieval Europe. It differs from the experimental method of modern science. See Christopher Beckwith's Warriors of the Cloisters:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9871.html

    Warriors of the Cloisters tells how key cultural innovations from Central Asia revolutionized medieval Europe and gave rise to the culture of science in the West. Medieval scholars rarely performed scientific experiments, but instead contested issues in natural science, philosophy, and theology using the recursive argument method. This highly distinctive and unusual method of disputation was a core feature of medieval science, the predecessor of modern science. We know that the foundations of science were imported to Western Europe from the Islamic world, but until now the origins of such key elements of Islamic culture have been a mystery.

    In this provocative book, Christopher I. Beckwith traces how the recursive argument method was first developed by Buddhist scholars and was spread by them throughout ancient Central Asia. He shows how the method was adopted by Islamic Central Asian natural philosophers--most importantly by Avicenna, one of the most brilliant of all medieval thinkers--and transmitted to the West when Avicenna's works were translated into Latin in Spain in the twelfth century by the Jewish philosopher Ibn Da'ud and others. During the same period the institution of the college was also borrowed from the Islamic world. The college was where most of the disputations were held, and became the most important component of medieval Europe's newly formed universities. As Beckwith demonstrates, the Islamic college also originated in Buddhist Central Asia.

    Using in-depth analysis of ancient Buddhist, Classical Arabic, and Medieval Latin writings, Warriors of the Cloisters transforms our understanding of the origins of medieval scientific culture.
     

    What is a “recursive argument?” Real question.

    Counterinsurgency

  162. “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

    The objective is to extinguish the past for the European people so that a new future can be created. The European people are clearly on the road to genocide. The first stages of the genocide of the European people include vilification, rewriting history, destroying their institutions, flooding western nations was hostile non-Europeans, and ultimately bankrupting their nations.

  163. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "Rambaran-Olm, a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland..."

    So, yet another whiny, grouchy, ever-complaining Person of $h!t-color who mysteriously lives in... Ireland, of all places! And definitely NOT in some glorious mudslide $h!thole that is definitely NOT a $h!thole.

    Wakanda Forever! ...except if we can find a White country to wriggle into.

    Next year, in Wakanda!

    The Germ Theory of Disease:

    Unfortunately Ms Rambaran-Olm fits in quite well with the new reconstituted Ireland, the first country in world history to approve abortion (and by overwhelming popular vote!).

  164. @Hypnotoad666
    I guess this means England and Saxony must now change their white supremacist, racist names.

    I propose Cuckland and Diversistan as replacement names.

    england is already known as Cuckold Island which is a great and appropriate nickname. They really have become a pathetic race. I can’t see it changing either. Sad.

  165. “My God, it’s full of white guys!”

  166. @Anon
    The scholastic method you're describing originated in Buddhist and Islamic Central Asia and spread to Medieval Europe. It differs from the experimental method of modern science. See Christopher Beckwith's Warriors of the Cloisters:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9871.html

    Warriors of the Cloisters tells how key cultural innovations from Central Asia revolutionized medieval Europe and gave rise to the culture of science in the West. Medieval scholars rarely performed scientific experiments, but instead contested issues in natural science, philosophy, and theology using the recursive argument method. This highly distinctive and unusual method of disputation was a core feature of medieval science, the predecessor of modern science. We know that the foundations of science were imported to Western Europe from the Islamic world, but until now the origins of such key elements of Islamic culture have been a mystery.

    In this provocative book, Christopher I. Beckwith traces how the recursive argument method was first developed by Buddhist scholars and was spread by them throughout ancient Central Asia. He shows how the method was adopted by Islamic Central Asian natural philosophers--most importantly by Avicenna, one of the most brilliant of all medieval thinkers--and transmitted to the West when Avicenna's works were translated into Latin in Spain in the twelfth century by the Jewish philosopher Ibn Da'ud and others. During the same period the institution of the college was also borrowed from the Islamic world. The college was where most of the disputations were held, and became the most important component of medieval Europe's newly formed universities. As Beckwith demonstrates, the Islamic college also originated in Buddhist Central Asia.

    Using in-depth analysis of ancient Buddhist, Classical Arabic, and Medieval Latin writings, Warriors of the Cloisters transforms our understanding of the origins of medieval scientific culture.
     

    I’m considering reading this guy’s book. But there’s a significant problem.

    Western Europe, where the colleges developed, was quite thoroughly isolated from Central Asia.

    Nothing like this developed in Byzantium, which was a lot closer.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Not sure, but I don’t think the Silk Road was fully functional in 900 AD when scholasticism was developed in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries of Paris. Even in the 1400s when it was fully functional it took about 2 1/2 years from Chinese border to the Venetian Black Sea port I think it was Odessa

    And why would Christian monks and priests want to study Buddhism? Were there any Buddhists in say Crimea or Anatolia thousands of miles from Paris in 900 AD. Maybe, who knows.

    Maybe a Buddhist magician flew to Paris 900 AD on his magic carpet to enlighten the ignorant Franks. Or maybe some black Africans gave him a ride on one of their helicopters. Amazing, 900AD Africans developed helicopters with a 5,000 mile range on one load of fuel.
  167. @Hail

    Rambaran-Olm, a woman of color, [...], a 41-year-old academic researcher who lives in Ireland
     
    - Full name: Mary Rosanna Rambaran-Olm;
    - Born ca. 1978, presumably to a Nepalese-origin parent and a White parent (based on surname origins -- possible by way of Carribean, as PiltdownMan mentions above) -- Unclear where she was born and/or raised but it could be Canada -- there is no video of her speaking on Youtube;
    - 2002: Graduated from the University of Calgary. Honor's thesis: "The Dream of the Rood: an Electronic Edition;"
    - 2012: PhD, University of Glasgow. Thesis: "John's Prayer: an edition, literary analysis and commentary," later published as a book in 2014, under the title: "John the Baptist's Prayer or The Descent into Hell from the Exeter Book: Text, Translation and Critical Study (Anglo-Saxon Studies)"
    - Mid 2010s: Reader/reviewer for JEGP (Journal for English and Germanic Philology
    - 2017: Appointed second vice president of International Society of Anglo-Saxonists;
    - By mid 2018 at the latest: Makes moves to undermine and destroy the Anglo-Saxonist group for racism (see July 2018 Medium article: "Anglo-Saxon Studies, Academia and White Supremacy"), leading to her 2019 resignation;
    - As of fall 2019: Available!
    (- Early 2020s: Book projects coming out)

    ___________________

    From her personal self-description:


    I am...an active member of the Medievalists of Color organization which seeks to represent, mentor, foster individual and academic growth, and encourage diversity in the field of Medieval Studies.
     
    From her Medium.com profile:

    Anglo-Saxonist. Literary historian. Palaeographer. Digital Humanist. Dual Citizen. WoC. Resident of the 5th Circle of Hell. Lover of 80s cartoons.
     
    Self description from her July 2018 Medium.com article:

    Today I am one of the only active Anglo-Saxonists of color in the native-English speaking world. I’ve struggled to prove my worth as a scholar, as my skin color constantly impedes on how I am perceived
     

    there is no video of her speaking on Youtube

    As of this writing, there is still nothing on Youtube of her speaking. It seems highly unusual to me that a person can get a PhD in the 2010s in a social science and end up with no video of oneself anywhere on Youtube. No conference talks, panels, nothing.

    We know she spoke in Sept. 2019 at this Washington DC conference. Either was not recorded, or, by consensus they are not posting it publicly.

    ______________

    A search for “Rambadan-Olm” yields this video as the only relevant result:

    Not related to the Anglo-Saxonist woman, but a really excellent video overall if going by commenter-acclaim:

    RAKSHARAM Y***V
    2 months ago

    Super

    Surendar Y**av
    3 months ago

    Jai ho

    Shes kumar Kumar
    1 month ago

    Super

    Ramakant Y***v
    5 days ago

    Very good

  168. This always baffles me. We know that there has been a broad spectrum of studies about the Middle East, East Asia and North Africa (Egyptology!) for centuries, now. But, most people who are not very smart just wanna fight because they have low self-esteem.

    Low self-esteem and a desire for vengeance, have caused the worst wars. This is why I especially, despise many American, Middle Eastern, and European women – they just can’t look in the mirror or actually, study history. African American women are being poisoned everyday, by the media, with thinking they just gotta destroy every whitey to get their pound of flesh.Hmmmmm? It strikes me weird that black activists still are too afraid to take on China and our American Chinese ‘community’ on.

  169. @Logan
    The problem with your prescription, one of them at least, is that Enlightenment thought had almost nothing to do with Jews. Many of its leading lights, notably Voltaire, were quite vocally anti-Semitic.

    Should have put a comma or an and between Jewish and enlightenment Meant Jewish and enlightenment

  170. @Anon
    The scholastic method you're describing originated in Buddhist and Islamic Central Asia and spread to Medieval Europe. It differs from the experimental method of modern science. See Christopher Beckwith's Warriors of the Cloisters:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9871.html

    Warriors of the Cloisters tells how key cultural innovations from Central Asia revolutionized medieval Europe and gave rise to the culture of science in the West. Medieval scholars rarely performed scientific experiments, but instead contested issues in natural science, philosophy, and theology using the recursive argument method. This highly distinctive and unusual method of disputation was a core feature of medieval science, the predecessor of modern science. We know that the foundations of science were imported to Western Europe from the Islamic world, but until now the origins of such key elements of Islamic culture have been a mystery.

    In this provocative book, Christopher I. Beckwith traces how the recursive argument method was first developed by Buddhist scholars and was spread by them throughout ancient Central Asia. He shows how the method was adopted by Islamic Central Asian natural philosophers--most importantly by Avicenna, one of the most brilliant of all medieval thinkers--and transmitted to the West when Avicenna's works were translated into Latin in Spain in the twelfth century by the Jewish philosopher Ibn Da'ud and others. During the same period the institution of the college was also borrowed from the Islamic world. The college was where most of the disputations were held, and became the most important component of medieval Europe's newly formed universities. As Beckwith demonstrates, the Islamic college also originated in Buddhist Central Asia.

    Using in-depth analysis of ancient Buddhist, Classical Arabic, and Medieval Latin writings, Warriors of the Cloisters transforms our understanding of the origins of medieval scientific culture.
     

    Total bull shit.

    And you didn’t write that piece of anti White anti European propaganda yourself did you? Just googled around and pasted it. And, you are so ignorant you don’t even know what the scholastic method developed Paris 900AD was do you?

    Hint, it had nothing to do with Buddhist philosophy and religion. Or any philosophy and religion.

  171. @Anon
    The scholastic method you're describing originated in Buddhist and Islamic Central Asia and spread to Medieval Europe. It differs from the experimental method of modern science. See Christopher Beckwith's Warriors of the Cloisters:

    https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9871.html

    Warriors of the Cloisters tells how key cultural innovations from Central Asia revolutionized medieval Europe and gave rise to the culture of science in the West. Medieval scholars rarely performed scientific experiments, but instead contested issues in natural science, philosophy, and theology using the recursive argument method. This highly distinctive and unusual method of disputation was a core feature of medieval science, the predecessor of modern science. We know that the foundations of science were imported to Western Europe from the Islamic world, but until now the origins of such key elements of Islamic culture have been a mystery.

    In this provocative book, Christopher I. Beckwith traces how the recursive argument method was first developed by Buddhist scholars and was spread by them throughout ancient Central Asia. He shows how the method was adopted by Islamic Central Asian natural philosophers--most importantly by Avicenna, one of the most brilliant of all medieval thinkers--and transmitted to the West when Avicenna's works were translated into Latin in Spain in the twelfth century by the Jewish philosopher Ibn Da'ud and others. During the same period the institution of the college was also borrowed from the Islamic world. The college was where most of the disputations were held, and became the most important component of medieval Europe's newly formed universities. As Beckwith demonstrates, the Islamic college also originated in Buddhist Central Asia.

    Using in-depth analysis of ancient Buddhist, Classical Arabic, and Medieval Latin writings, Warriors of the Cloisters transforms our understanding of the origins of medieval scientific culture.
     

    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD

    Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are just a White hating racist bigot. You googled around till you found and pasted that nonsense.
    You don’t even know what the scholastic method is and I bet you don’t know what that Buddhist recursive method is either.

    I’m not impressed by Princeton either, any more than I was impressed by communist influenced Stanford in the 1960s. 1960s communist professors and universities.

    Nowadays White hating professors making up a lot of anti White anti European lies.

    Actually what you and the anti White bigot racist academics are doing nowadays is nothing more than a plagiarism copy repeat of 1600s 1800 enlightenment lies.

    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    It’s been done before, 1600 to 1800

    • Replies: @Logan
    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    The idea predates the Enlightenment, very popular during the Renaissance. In fact, it's the idea behind the Renaissance. Civilization reborn after a millennium of darkness.
    , @Anon
    I was familiar with Beckwith before. He is actually somewhat popular in the more intellectual corners of the alt-right because he focuses on and defends the historical role of the steppe "barbarians", of the Indo-Europeans to the Turkic groups, and because he has a sort of illiberal perspective and is critical of liberal Modernism and Post-Modernism. Kind of like an academic Bronze Age Pervert view. Your view on this is the orthodox liberal Modernist view.

    Beckwith is not affiliated with Princeton. That's just the publisher. His most famous work is Empires of the Silk Road:

    https://www.unz.com/gnxp/who-s-the-barbarian-now-empires-of-the-silk-road/

    If there is one word that is applicable to Empires of the Silk Road, Christopher I. Beckwith’s magnum opus, it would be dense. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language is a complement of similar density and topical intersection (they do not quite overlap, and The Horse, the Wheel, and Language is missing from the bibliography of Empires of the Silk Road). A quick perusal of Beckwith’s ouvre shows that he writes history from the center. What we might term the Ecumene he calls the “periphery.” Page after page he defends the “barbarians” of the Heartland against the slander of peripheral scribblers. Though in the introduction the author takes a stand against both the Whiggishness of much of Modernism and the vacuous relativism of Post-Modernism, this work is clearly written as something of a corrective, not an objective treatment where all scales are balanced with care, caution and precision.
     
    , @Anon

    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD
     
    You're conflating scholasticism with the scholastic method itself. Boethius is regarded by many as the first scholastic, and he died in 524 AD. Boethius's work was very influential among the Medieval scholastics, but he did not employ the scholastic method. Some of his work displays the Socratic method.
  172. @Logan
    I'm considering reading this guy's book. But there's a significant problem.

    Western Europe, where the colleges developed, was quite thoroughly isolated from Central Asia.

    Nothing like this developed in Byzantium, which was a lot closer.

    Not sure, but I don’t think the Silk Road was fully functional in 900 AD when scholasticism was developed in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries of Paris. Even in the 1400s when it was fully functional it took about 2 1/2 years from Chinese border to the Venetian Black Sea port I think it was Odessa

    And why would Christian monks and priests want to study Buddhism? Were there any Buddhists in say Crimea or Anatolia thousands of miles from Paris in 900 AD. Maybe, who knows.

    Maybe a Buddhist magician flew to Paris 900 AD on his magic carpet to enlighten the ignorant Franks. Or maybe some black Africans gave him a ride on one of their helicopters. Amazing, 900AD Africans developed helicopters with a 5,000 mile range on one load of fuel.

    • Replies: @Logan
    In the reign of Justinian some monks traveled from Constantinople to China and back, bringing silkworm eggs with them and breaking the Chinese monopoly on silk.

    The Silk Road was in full swing in Roman days, when the Han were in charge in China.

    It lasted till driven out of business by the Euros opening up the sealanes. Over the 1500 years of its existence it varied greatly in volume, depending on political conditions in Europe and China and in between.
  173. What she did is pretty clever. She’s raised her professional profile enormously with this move, and university hiring committees are full of people who would love to bring a crusader (can I say crusader?) like her aboard.

    And who on the hiring committee is going to vote against her? Her scholarship sucks; so what? Within the admittedly narrow scope of her field, she’s made herself into a symbol rather than a scholar, and is bound to get more attention this way than she ever did with her cutesily ironic article titles.

    “Behaviour that’s admired is the path to power among people everywhere.”
    ― Beowulf

  174. @Logan
    Recently watched a Jordan Peterson video on this very issue.

    Psychologically, according to him, women are, by evolutionary necessity focused on protection of the baby, who for a year is utterly and entirely helpless, and pretty much so for a long time after that.

    A women who "feels" her baby, or by extension other babies, is threatened is entirely unwilling to be moderate or reasonable. She will Protect The Baby, by "whatever means necessary," quite literally. As well she should. That woman are this way is the reason we are still around as a species.

    The problem, according to JP, is that increasing numbers of modern women do not have actual babies, and displace those compulsions onto protection of "marginalized groups." Defined, of course, by themselves.

    The problem of course is that some of these groups are not actually threatened. And that to protect them they are, again quite literally, willing to go to "whatever means necessary."

    Why people can use that phrase without a chill going up their spine I do not know. Just think about what it really means if taken, as words should be, at face value.

    Interesting point. And persuasive. If I look at women I know personally, susceptibility to this sort of thing does seem associated with childlessness or late motherhood.

  175. @Alden
    Not sure, but I don’t think the Silk Road was fully functional in 900 AD when scholasticism was developed in the monastic and cathedral schools and libraries of Paris. Even in the 1400s when it was fully functional it took about 2 1/2 years from Chinese border to the Venetian Black Sea port I think it was Odessa

    And why would Christian monks and priests want to study Buddhism? Were there any Buddhists in say Crimea or Anatolia thousands of miles from Paris in 900 AD. Maybe, who knows.

    Maybe a Buddhist magician flew to Paris 900 AD on his magic carpet to enlighten the ignorant Franks. Or maybe some black Africans gave him a ride on one of their helicopters. Amazing, 900AD Africans developed helicopters with a 5,000 mile range on one load of fuel.

    In the reign of Justinian some monks traveled from Constantinople to China and back, bringing silkworm eggs with them and breaking the Chinese monopoly on silk.

    The Silk Road was in full swing in Roman days, when the Han were in charge in China.

    It lasted till driven out of business by the Euros opening up the sealanes. Over the 1500 years of its existence it varied greatly in volume, depending on political conditions in Europe and China and in between.

  176. @Alden
    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD

    Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are just a White hating racist bigot. You googled around till you found and pasted that nonsense.
    You don’t even know what the scholastic method is and I bet you don’t know what that Buddhist recursive method is either.

    I’m not impressed by Princeton either, any more than I was impressed by communist influenced Stanford in the 1960s. 1960s communist professors and universities.

    Nowadays White hating professors making up a lot of anti White anti European lies.

    Actually what you and the anti White bigot racist academics are doing nowadays is nothing more than a plagiarism copy repeat of 1600s 1800 enlightenment lies.

    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    It’s been done before, 1600 to 1800

    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    The idea predates the Enlightenment, very popular during the Renaissance. In fact, it’s the idea behind the Renaissance. Civilization reborn after a millennium of darkness.

  177. I’m surprised it took them this long. Anglo-Saxon space is the most accomplished and therefore most desirable space in human affairs, which of course is why Rambaran-Olm and everyone who looks like her wants a piece of said space, despite her professed distaste for “white” people. Anglo-Saxon space will prove the hardest nut to crack for the Left, for it is the indisputable core identity of the USA.

  178. @BB753
    So, since the Industrial Revolution started in Great Britain, a tiny part of Europe like Greece, you can't say that it's a European innovation. I just don't understand your logic or lack thereof.

    “So, since the Industrial Revolution started in Great Britain, a tiny part of Europe like Greece, you can’t say that it’s a European innovation.”

    Greece is two time smaller than Great Britain. Now, you can say the Industrial Revolution or science are “European”, but you are not being entirely accurate. Moreover, you are probably taking away the credit deserved for recognizing who actually was responsible.

  179. Anon[861] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD

    Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are just a White hating racist bigot. You googled around till you found and pasted that nonsense.
    You don’t even know what the scholastic method is and I bet you don’t know what that Buddhist recursive method is either.

    I’m not impressed by Princeton either, any more than I was impressed by communist influenced Stanford in the 1960s. 1960s communist professors and universities.

    Nowadays White hating professors making up a lot of anti White anti European lies.

    Actually what you and the anti White bigot racist academics are doing nowadays is nothing more than a plagiarism copy repeat of 1600s 1800 enlightenment lies.

    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    It’s been done before, 1600 to 1800

    I was familiar with Beckwith before. He is actually somewhat popular in the more intellectual corners of the alt-right because he focuses on and defends the historical role of the steppe “barbarians”, of the Indo-Europeans to the Turkic groups, and because he has a sort of illiberal perspective and is critical of liberal Modernism and Post-Modernism. Kind of like an academic Bronze Age Pervert view. Your view on this is the orthodox liberal Modernist view.

    Beckwith is not affiliated with Princeton. That’s just the publisher. His most famous work is Empires of the Silk Road:

    https://www.unz.com/gnxp/who-s-the-barbarian-now-empires-of-the-silk-road/

    If there is one word that is applicable to Empires of the Silk Road, Christopher I. Beckwith’s magnum opus, it would be dense. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language is a complement of similar density and topical intersection (they do not quite overlap, and The Horse, the Wheel, and Language is missing from the bibliography of Empires of the Silk Road). A quick perusal of Beckwith’s ouvre shows that he writes history from the center. What we might term the Ecumene he calls the “periphery.” Page after page he defends the “barbarians” of the Heartland against the slander of peripheral scribblers. Though in the introduction the author takes a stand against both the Whiggishness of much of Modernism and the vacuous relativism of Post-Modernism, this work is clearly written as something of a corrective, not an objective treatment where all scales are balanced with care, caution and precision.

  180. Anon[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD

    Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You are just a White hating racist bigot. You googled around till you found and pasted that nonsense.
    You don’t even know what the scholastic method is and I bet you don’t know what that Buddhist recursive method is either.

    I’m not impressed by Princeton either, any more than I was impressed by communist influenced Stanford in the 1960s. 1960s communist professors and universities.

    Nowadays White hating professors making up a lot of anti White anti European lies.

    Actually what you and the anti White bigot racist academics are doing nowadays is nothing more than a plagiarism copy repeat of 1600s 1800 enlightenment lies.

    “ the European world came to an end 400 and nothing happened till 1550.” That’s the essence of the enlightenment. Wrong then wrong now

    It’s been done before, 1600 to 1800

    The scholastic method was not the recursive method. It was developed in Paris 900AD 300 years before that Spanish Jew allegedly translated a book in 1200AD

    You’re conflating scholasticism with the scholastic method itself. Boethius is regarded by many as the first scholastic, and he died in 524 AD. Boethius’s work was very influential among the Medieval scholastics, but he did not employ the scholastic method. Some of his work displays the Socratic method.

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