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In the Washington Post opinion section, NYU professor and long-time iSteve Content Generator Suketu Mehta writes:

I am an uppity immigrant. Don’t expect me to be ‘grateful.’

I will not bow and scrape before my supposed benefactors. I am entitled to be here.

By Suketu Mehta
Suketu Mehta is an associate professor of journalism at New York City, and the author, most recently, of “This Land is Our Land: An Immigrant’s Manifesto.”
August 2 at 9:14 AM

In June, I published a book (“This Land Is Our Land: An Immigrant’s Manifesto”) arguing that immigration is a form of reparations. It drew forth a fusillade of hatred — on Twitter, in my inbox, under the rocks of 4chan and Reddit — suggesting that I return to India. One reviewer on Amazon called for me to be “skinned alive” and to go back to my “turd-world country.” Someone else tweeted, “This cockroach needs sent back to whatever s— hole he crawled out of.”

Meanwhile, University of Pennsylvania law professor Amy Wax, in a speech at the National Conservatism Conference, said I had argued that “immigrants should not join the mainstream or try and preserve and protect what makes America great, but should just take over from the ‘white power structure.’” (I’ve said no such thing, of course.) Wax accused immigrants like me of being culturally inferior: “Most inhabitants of the Third World don’t necessarily share our ideas and beliefs . . . Our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites.”

I’ve been told to “go back” ever since 1977, when I enrolled in an extravagantly racist all-boys Catholic school in Queens, N.Y.

But your parents whiteflighted you to the New Jersey suburbs after you got mugged twice on the street in NYC. For some reason, you didn’t have enough room in your book to mention the race of your multiple muggers.

— birthplace of President Trump, who recently became the biggest, loudest mouthpiece for this line of rhetoric when he tweeted that four congresswomen of color should “go back” to the “totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.” The idea is: White Americans get to decide who is allowed to come in and what rules we are to follow. If you come here, don’t complain. Be grateful we took you in. “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.

To this I say: No, we are not. I take my place in America — an imperfect place — and I make it my own; there’s a Constitution that protects my right to do so. I will not genuflect at the white American altar. I will not bow and scrape before my supposed benefactors. I understand the soul of this nation just as well, if not better, than they do: a country that stole the futures of the people who are now arriving at its borders, a cacophonous country, an exceptional country, but one that seems determined to continually sabotage its journey towards a more perfect union. Nobody powerful ever gave the powerless anything just because they asked politely, and immigrants don’t come hat-in-hand. I am an uppity immigrant. I am entitled to be here. Deal with it.

[Immigration as reparation for colonialism, climate change and corporate greed]

Should today’s migrants be “grateful” to the countries that caused them to move in the first place, the ones that despoiled their homelands and made them unsafe and unlivable? For example, in Somalia — birthplace of Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) — the United States sent $1 billion to the dictator Mohamed Siad Barre, and the ensuing civil war quite literally blew up Omar’s childhood.

Uh, I’m betting that some of that $1 billion ended up in Rep. Omar’s grandpa’s pocket. After all, according to Rep. Omar, he worked for Siad Barre.

She should be grateful that her family had to escape their land and their people, and live in a tent in a refugee colony for four years? Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) should be grateful that her parents had to leave the West Bank and seek shelter in the country principally responsible for backing (and sending billions annually to) the government that occupies their hometown?

After all, Rep. Tlaib practices a religion, Islam, that has no countries of its own, so of course Muslims must migrate to their Great Oppressor.

… The West has despoiled country after country through colonialism, illegal wars, rapacious corporations and unchecked carbon emissions. And now their desperate migrants are supposed to be grateful to be let in by the back door at the mansions of the despoilers, mansions built with the stolen treasure of the migrants’ homelands?

Uh, Prof. Mehta is from a subcaste of Gujarati diamond merchants. I’m sure he could explain at length why he deserves to be here due to how George Washington oppressed his subcaste, although I didn’t notice him actually mentioning it in his book.

… I claim the right to reside here by manifest destiny, for myself, my cousins and uncles and children.

It’s all about cousins.

 
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  1. The idea is: White Americans get to decide who is allowed to come in and what rules we are to follow. If you come here, don’t complain. Be grateful we took you in. “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.

    You’re goddamned right.

    • Agree: istevefan
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Yeah,nice in theory. But it doesn't seem to be happening in reality.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Mehta:

    “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.
     
    Significantly, “Go back” is an understated fair warning:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/questions-3/#comment-2710464 (#183)
    , @bruce county
    If I dare say, it's not just "White Americans". But I do like how he labels people. And no... you cannot shit where ever you choose in this land.
  2. Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    I am entitled
     
    There. I took out my editing pen and cut this guy's essay to its essence.

    Oh, did I say his essay? I meant his life.
    , @AnotherDad

    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.
     
    Well said.

    But actually *every* American's face. I'd like to have every American read this guy, then have the separation referendum. The referendum choices would be:

    A) I want to live in traditional Western Civilization America with closed borders.

    B) I want to live in diversitopia, LGBTQWERTY, open borders America with Suketa Metha.

    , @Cowboy Shaw
    He's a great asset for our side. He needs to keep talking - he brings honesty to the debate.
  3. Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left’s intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren’t as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile “middleman minority” reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post’s comment section isn’t unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    They're not going to be replace, they will complement Jews. See the Gupta family in South Africa. They were demonising 'White monopoly capital' all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews. And jews, of course, never came to the aid of Whites. As usual. Because jews don't fundamentally identify as White, except when to attack Whites, then jews temporarily become White.

    Mehta is a great warning to those who believe in 'IQ nationalism' and 'skilled immigration'. Tribalism matters, no matter the IQ level.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Not only they aren’t as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched
     
    Sometimes literally. I rode a Hong Kong tram in 1985, and an older subcontinental woman sat across from me, letting her live rooster strut on the seat next to her.

    Joey Molland of Badfinger tells a story of bringing a live monkey he just purchased from a sailor onto a Liverpool bus. But he was about ten years old, so that's forgivable.

    , @Ed
    I can’t get the WaPo comments to load anymore whether on my phone or desktop home or work computer.
    , @DB Cooper
    Indians and Jews have more things in common than people give credit for.

    1) Both of their countries start with the letter "I"
    2) Both are artificial countries created as a result of the aftermath of colonialism at about the same time (India in August 1947, Israel in May 1948). India own its existence to the British Raj in South Asia. Israel to the British mandate in Palestine.
    3) Both counties has invaded and grab land from every single of its neighbors since its creation.

    The biggest difference between the two people is their IQ. Average Ashkenazi IQ is between 107 - 115 whereas average Indian IQ is between 76 - 82. A thirty point difference.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    Just the first half is a unhinged screed? I couldn't read anymore, that dude is a little ball of hate.
    , @AnotherDad
    My personal experience--lots of friends, family, co-workers, neighbors--who are Indian, they are all over the map. A few assholes, ready to tell you we are so privileged to have them here. A few who get it, realize they came here for a better deal and want to preserve that for their kids. Most just going with the flow, without a whole lot of thought.

    The Jews--the Ashkenazi--have a very long history of being in direct contention with white Christian gentiles and developed a very chippy, hostile, contemptuous attitude toward them. (Heck a whole elaborate religious ideology of outgroup hostility.) We gentiles are here to work to provide an economy they can exploit. Now, three generations in, in an America that has been exceptionally gracious, and with a lot of breakdown in Jewish belief and practice and lots of intermarriage, you get the odd Steven Miller patriot, but still get incredible anti-gentile (esp. flyover country peasantry) hostility, now even more openly expressed on the pages of our major media.

    The Indians have their caste groups. So they have a strong endogamous tradition as well. However, most are aware--just common sense--that those caste identities/divisions are not something likely to be maintained when they choose to come to the West. They do have pride in their "Indianess" as a great civilization and for some that comes with attitude and distance. But while there is the colonial chip-on-the-shoulder thing from the embarassment of being colonized by the Brits, while thinking their culture is superior--something that this Metha turd has in spades--Indians generally don't have a lot of direct well crafted white hostility, especially directed at Americans.

    So with Indians you do get the religious difference--disdain for Christianity, particularly i think the evangelical "Jesus loves me!" stuff (the more staid traditional observance like Catholicism is more in line with their tradition). But you don't have the same fully developed, religiously inspired, tribalism and hostility to white gentiles that you get from the Jews. Indians simply haven't been middle-manning and in contention with white gentiles for 1000 years.
    , @AnotherDad
    Beyond the Indians vs. Jews specifics, i think the general take home is that:

    high IQ immigrants can actually be more toxic to your nation.


    It's all about endogamy and integration. If those high IQ immigrants readily adapt your culture, readily intermarry and think of themselves as part of your nation, then on simply eugenic grounds they are better than getting low IQ ones who make you dumber and less competitive.

    But if those high IQ immigrants are endogamous or at all hostile to your people and culture, then they are actually *much worseI* than living with low IQ group because they worm their way into your institutions and subvert your nation from the top down. Nothing is worse than losing executive function.

    Look at the history of the US: The white American gentiles were always dragging along a black population of somewhere between 10-20% of the US population, and yet by the end of the 19th century had become the richest and most powerful nation in the world with the highest standard of living. When i was born the US was at the apex of its power and with historically unprecendented opportunity and standard of living for the working man and blue skies and bright horizons ... even with dragging along its 10% blacks. Yet, in a mere 50 years since the Jewish ascendency with their minoritarian ideology--even in the midst of great technological progress--no one thinks the American future is bright. We are absolutely balkanized, have a public ideology containing a raft of the stupidest ideas (lies) mankind has ever heard, are unable to do even the most basic job of preventing invasion, face a future of endless ethnic grievance and contention ... and all sense we are nation in decline. That turnaround from a gleaming bright to a hidieous future took a mere 50 years of letting a high IQ, but hostile group at the levers of power and influence.

    High IQ immigrants that are compatible and readily integrate ... not a big issue. High IQ immigrants that endogamous or culturally hostile--a ticket to destruction and death.
  4. A journalism professor at a school that costs $70,000 a year to attend. Sounds like he’s “bowing and scraping” to the PTB to justify his position and raise the profile of a program that frankly ain’t worth it.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    You beat me to it.

    Of all the jobs in the world from whose soap-box one ought to broadcast some measure of humility, out of an awareness of its gaseous counterfeititude, "journalism" "professor" would be near the top of the list.

    A more useless form of parasite can scarcely be found. "Journalism" "professors" IME are creative writing teachers with bells, whistles, and rhinestone knobs attached via various acts of ankle-grabbing for those in power.

    I also whiff an element of Home-Wrecking Slut, as per these words.

    I will not bow and scrape before my supposed benefactors. I am entitled to be here.
     
    Reminds me of Jerelyn Luther screeching at Nick Christakis in the Yale quad...then him turning around and inviting the entire lot of screeching negresses/hysterical wimminz into his and his wife's living room. Where they screeched, among other things, that he wasn't paying them enough attention (and by extension was taking his wife's side instead). To which he cuckily replied that his heart was breaking over having disappointed them.

    But hey--behaving thankless, entitled, shameless, demanding, and obnoxious never got in the way of mistresses getting power over men...or jews getting power over whites. So why should a parasite like an uppity curry-scented "journalism" "professor" not try the same schtik? Whites likely appear in his eyes to be suckers for embarrassingly appalling feminized behavior...at least in the past 50 years, when bringing such society- and decency-wrecking weakness/malevolence/hysteria to heel By Any Means Necessary has been considered forbidden in the extreme.

    I'll leave the last word here to the Sage of Baltimore (back when it still had some claim to being Charm City).

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-american-journalism-like-the-journalism-of-any-other-country-is-predominantly-paltry-h-l-mencken-39-7-0795.jpg
    , @SAC
    I think he is giving us the truth no one had earlier shed any light on. Asians mostly Indo -Pak subcontinent in reply to Brits anti immigration wave in the UK in the 80's said "we are here because you were there". If you study history Brits, Belgian, German occupation & colonization of countries in Asia, Africa etc & the riches they plundered & transferred from there including creating a superficial social class yes gives people of these countries a right to immigrate, kind of reparation. By the by is not President Trumps forefathers from Germany? What made them migrate to the USA? Any idea that Apple co-owner Jobs father is a Syrian does it make Jobs a Syrian? Would USA banish Apple from its soil?
  5. Glib and rude mostly graceless prose. I thought Journalism was too competitive a field for hacks to become associate professors. This guy probably excels at tweeting and propaganda though. For instance, Omar’s childhood would’ve been idyllic without that US funded civil war…

  6. ” supposed benefactors”

    “Supposed”? There’s no physics graduate student or C++ developer (I’m not talking about the JS cut-and-paste types) I’ve ever met who isn’t appreciative of not being in India anymore. Like, ever. There’s a reason that India has no haigui phenomenon going on right now. I realize that succeeding in STEM requires empirical abilities that Mehta lacks, granted, but still…

    And most are extremely candid that the United States gives them the option to “become” American in a way that Europe-let alone East Asia-never does, as even Mehta himself begrudgingly admits toward the end. The US has its flaws, but this is still a damned good country to live in relative to most of the world.

    What a putz.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @guest
    I think his point is that he can exploit the largesse of the U.S. without any reciprocation even in sentiment because...well, I'm not sure why. Just because.
    , @PiltdownMan
    I knew an Indian guy at work in the 1980s, who confided in me that watching the move Woodstock in India when he was in college made him suddenly realize that he wanted to be over here, and not over there.

    As others have mentioned on iSteve occasionally, the old crowd of South Asian professional immigrants, from before the IT explosion, was a bit different. Suketu Mehta seems to be an exception, or perhaps he's decided to jump on the "woke" immigrant bandwagon, late in his career. I'm not sure what the upside to him is, though, as he appears to have tenure. Maybe he figured an in-your-face "brown immigrant power" attitude and book would sell well. His timing is near perfect, I must say.

  7. Anonymous[581] • Disclaimer says:

    White Americans let chutzpahstic Jews, uppity blacks, and flaming homos set the template for the New American Attitude(even to the point of letting homos plant victory flags in Christian churches). When whites surrendered their nation to those three groups as the authoritative definers of New Americanism, it is hardly surprising to see Newcomers emulating the Three than being thankful to Standard America founded and built by whites. People follow winners, not losers. Whites willfully lost to Jews, blacks, and homos. Therefore, non-whites immigrants see Jews, blacks, and homos as the new lords while seeing whites as pathetic cucks or ‘white trash racists’.
    We also need to ask, “Who controls the media to allow people like Suketu to spew their filth?” It ain’t Hindus and it ain’t Eskimos who control the media. Suketu is small potatoes who is enabled by the Global Cabal.

    If whites had stood tall, people like Sucketu would come to America and bow at the feet of whites with awe and respect.

    But whites groveled before Jews, blacks, and homos and allowed themselves to be kicked and pummeled… and so, newcomers just join in the game of Kick the Whitey. But the non-white immigrants didn’t start the game. They are joining in an ongoing process that’s been around for some time. And it really began when whites gave up their moral authority to Jews, blacks, and homos and submitted themselves to any amount of abuse from them.

    • Agree: L Woods, JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Malcolm Y
    Right
    , @Anonymous
    I remember hearing something similar after 9/11 about Muslim attitudes towards the U.S.

    When Arabs look at America they see a country apparently run by Jews, women and blacks - i.e. the most most despised classes of Arab society. They have no respect for such a nation.
  8. People who are tribally oriented are rarely grateful, likely due due their diminished capacity for altruism.

    • Replies: @Altai
    I think you're just thinking of skinhead types. I think it's the combination of ingroup attachment and a lack of empathy or self-awareness. When it comes to ethic identity it's the ultimate 'who, whom' so people don't think very deeply about it because you're not supposed to, the group-level ethos is supposed to inform you.
    , @Anon

    People who are tribally oriented are rarely grateful, likely due due their diminished capacity for altruism.
     
    What on Earth does altruism have to do with chess or politics?

    No sophisticated person would expect immigrant group's to be grateful past the point that they sensed power.

    The gratitude is a useless scam meant to pacify majority adults who would otherwise stay sharper as to the threat of growing NAM minority groups.

    I say good riddance to the gratitude. Lets conduct this conflict on the open ground on which it deserves to be fought, recruiting people for it now instead of later.

    , @95Theses
    I think you're on to something there. If the tribally-oriented put allegiance to their own before those without their tribe, then it ought to follow that what little concern there may be for the welfare of anyone seen as an outsider shrinks.

    Regardless, this Malcontent Mehta ought to be given the bum's rush, post haste.

    Are we really so impotent that those in a position to fire this guy and/or deport him will not do so?

    If not, then this is why we are losing.

  9. Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can’t decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system – is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don’t seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    • Replies: @bomag

    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.
     
    Maybe in print. Personally, Indians are a far more pleasant immigrant on the issue than the Mexicans; Cubans; Haitians; Iranians; Somalis and various Middle Easterners I've been around.
    , @Altai
    To be honest I've seen this attitude in immigrants from lots of Western and Northern European countries, even Sweden. Immigrants are kind of like tourists, above a certain threshold they're social pollution. They'll never admit that even for their own benefit they should be regulated and restricted. But tourists will.
    , @SimpleSong
    I have never seen a group that kowtows harder to anyone they perceive as higher status, or abominably mistreats those they think of lower status, than subcontinentals. For the young people out there; never take a job with a subcontinental boss, and if you have one as an employee, be aware of their extreme tendency to bootlick (and then betray you.)
    , @Bruno
    Probably same as Jews.

    If you are a successful minority in a foreign population, thanks to traits like higher IQ and ethnic interest orientation with a predatory touch (super-cast), then,

    you should favour multi-cultural society in the host population because it diminishes the transplant rejection probability by rending your super-cast less visible and the ethnic orientation of the host population illegitimate.

    So intelligent India while being extremely ebdogzmous have the same stances than Jewish people in their USA ascension moment.

    The jews though were always extrzmelly appreciative with the host at the beginning of their settlement (Greek, Rome, Germany, Russia etc) and then extremely critical until their expulsion. They had never been an objective to make the host country multi cultural. The Indian have adopted the Jewish stance probably by pure mimickery and because it serves their interest best.

    The hypocrisy is obvious in the practice of the super-cast. Endogamy. Ginsburg, positive discrimination and her clerks ethnicity (1 black out of 150, around two third of jews) is a perfect example of the duplicity.

    , @Anonymous
    Basically, Indians know full well that their native land cannot possibly support its swollen population at a 'decent' standard of middle class life, thus their is a largely unspoken but very real gameplan to export the surplus to the foolish, gullible Economist whipped west. Canada is by far the best example of this game plan.

    Couple this with a natural chippiness and arrogance engendered by centuries of caste based obseiance.
    , @Adam Smith

    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness.
     
    Well said.
  10. This guy is way worse than Dr Nagarwala. What she did doesn’t affect the rest of us.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/us/female-genital-mutilation-case-charges-dropped/index.html

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    Hmm...they might be Dawoodi Bohras
  11. Graditude and happiness are linked. Ungrateful immigrants such as this one will only demand more and never be satisfied. I owe him nothing.

    Ultimately, denaturalization should commence for any immigrant that expresses anything except tremendous graditude for America, its people, its history, and its traditions.

  12. Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him. The only reason he is here is due to the generosity and pity of the American people.

    This enrages him. But he knows it’s true.

    Whether he is grateful or not is up to him. If he isn’t grateful he hasn’t won any great victory. He’s just ungrateful.

    Ben Franklin wisely noted that people don’t necessarily want you to do them favors. It makes them feel bad. People prefer to do favors for you. It makes them feel good.

    I guess Franklin never met any Gujarati diamond merchants.

    • Agree: Dr Van Nostrand
    • Replies: @istevefan

    Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him.
     
    He's here because our rulers invited him and the tens of millions of others like him without regard to what Americans felt or wanted.
    , @Counterinsurgency
    This is an interesting article, as are the speculations as to why Mehta sounds this way.

    I've run into this in various organizations. It's the "crazy boss" ploy. The idea is for a person in authority to say something utterly at variance with reality, but to say it with great vehemence. Since the person's position is unassailable, those around him (or her, especially her) try to humor the lunatic.

    It's an old method, and it has the one advantage that the person is self-identifying as an enemy.

    Counterinsurgency
  13. Should today’s migrants be “grateful” to the countries that caused them to move in the first place, the ones that despoiled their homelands and made them unsafe and unlivable? For example, in Somalia — birthplace of Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) — the United States sent $1 billion to the dictator Mohamed Siad Barre, and the ensuing civil war quite literally blew up Omar’s childhood.

    I see. So if the USA had not sent $1B to Somalia, they would be peaceful and prosperous now?

    And in Myanmar, if the world George Orwell wrote about hadn’t existed, they would all be living in peace?

    Probably the USA is responsible for Russian backwardness too.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Probably the USA is responsible for Russian backwardness too.
     
    This is unz.com; don't get 'em started.
  14. I don’t understand why blacks aren’t angry about the appropriation of their cultural IP. Mr. Mehta is an “uppity” immigrant? This word was first used pejoratively in the Uncle Remus stories and was then reclaimed, with much effort, by the black community.

    Do black people think that there will be enough free stuff for everyone? Now that there are more Latinos than blacks, and we are poised to admit uncounted new immigrants with their hands out, why aren’t blacks complaining – and supporting our President, Donald Trump, and his immigration ideas?

    Innumeracy will be the black’s Achilles heel, mark my words…

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Blacks think they will be dragomans for the new majority of minorities, and recognized as senior members of the fringe with attendant share of the spoils.

    It happened in the New York City Council: the BLA caucus eventually became the majority of Council members, but they got nothing. An FALN militant Speaker followed by an HIV+ quarter Korean shill for the real estate industry. The blegs still don't understand why it's looking like they'll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor.
    , @istevefan

    I don’t understand why blacks aren’t angry about the appropriation ...
     
    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?

    And if you are aware something is stolen, you are not allowed to take possession of it. And we sure as hell know Mehta and company know this is stolen land. They remind us of it daily.
    , @Charon
    Oddly enough, the word "uppity" is now an anti-white dog whistle. Because only white racists used it without irony. So the story goes.
  15. All because he got picked on in middle school. Grow up punk!

  16. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    They’re not going to be replace, they will complement Jews. See the Gupta family in South Africa. They were demonising ‘White monopoly capital’ all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews. And jews, of course, never came to the aid of Whites. As usual. Because jews don’t fundamentally identify as White, except when to attack Whites, then jews temporarily become White.

    Mehta is a great warning to those who believe in ‘IQ nationalism’ and ‘skilled immigration’. Tribalism matters, no matter the IQ level.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They were demonising ‘White monopoly capital’ all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews.

    The Oppenheimers in South Africa didn't seem to like the Guptas, and I've been reading articles in the NYT ever since about how awful the Guptas were.

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    Oh boohoo muh white oppression. Whites were oppressing blacks, 'coloureds', malays, indians and other before apartheid ended. The dehumanizing signs and posters and the torture, and the beatings. BOO flipping hoo
  17. I will not genuflect at the white American altar. I will not bow and scrape before my supposed benefactors.

    And we will not genuflect at the diversity altar. We will not bow and scrape before those who come from shitholes.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    He's betting very visible that you will. That, *look at me. I am the captain now. "

    He figures Nice White ladies and con cucks and Christian ducks will force the majority of Whites to do just that. In the short term he is correct.

    Long term who can say?
  18. ‘…I am an uppity immigrant. I am entitled to be here. Deal with it…’

    So deport him.

  19. @Thulean Friend
    They're not going to be replace, they will complement Jews. See the Gupta family in South Africa. They were demonising 'White monopoly capital' all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews. And jews, of course, never came to the aid of Whites. As usual. Because jews don't fundamentally identify as White, except when to attack Whites, then jews temporarily become White.

    Mehta is a great warning to those who believe in 'IQ nationalism' and 'skilled immigration'. Tribalism matters, no matter the IQ level.

    They were demonising ‘White monopoly capital’ all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews.

    The Oppenheimers in South Africa didn’t seem to like the Guptas, and I’ve been reading articles in the NYT ever since about how awful the Guptas were.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    The Guptas were also a post-Apartheid phenomenon. They moved to South Africa and self-identified as black for, IIRC.
  20. Anonymous[581] • Disclaimer says:

    From “I Pity the Poor Immigrant” to “I’m an Uppity Immigrant”.

  21. One thing about this guy: he’s been here for decades but still sounds like Peter Sellers in ‘The Party.’

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    "How-dee Par-din-ner" "Bir-dee num-num"
  22. @Anon7
    I don't understand why blacks aren't angry about the appropriation of their cultural IP. Mr. Mehta is an "uppity" immigrant? This word was first used pejoratively in the Uncle Remus stories and was then reclaimed, with much effort, by the black community.

    Do black people think that there will be enough free stuff for everyone? Now that there are more Latinos than blacks, and we are poised to admit uncounted new immigrants with their hands out, why aren't blacks complaining - and supporting our President, Donald Trump, and his immigration ideas?

    Innumeracy will be the black's Achilles heel, mark my words...

    Blacks think they will be dragomans for the new majority of minorities, and recognized as senior members of the fringe with attendant share of the spoils.

    It happened in the New York City Council: the BLA caucus eventually became the majority of Council members, but they got nothing. An FALN militant Speaker followed by an HIV+ quarter Korean shill for the real estate industry. The blegs still don’t understand why it’s looking like they’ll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    " The blegs still don’t understand why it’s looking like they’ll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor."

    Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots. Jews I knew who were living in NYC at the time referred to that as a "pogrom" which is not too much of an exaggeration. The older folks were afraid to go out, thinking they might encounter acolytes of the Reverend Al.
  23. It’s all about cousins.

    Batman v. Commissioner was just a preview.

    https://openjurist.org/189/f2d/107/batman-v-commissioner-of-internal-revenue

    Litigation involving entire castes will make 21st-century case law quite interesting indeed.

  24. OT:

    First they came for craft beers; now they’re coming for tabletop board games. Scramble for Africa has been withdrawn from the market:
    https://archive.fo/fknCj

  25. @songbird
    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can't decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system - is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don't seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    Maybe in print. Personally, Indians are a far more pleasant immigrant on the issue than the Mexicans; Cubans; Haitians; Iranians; Somalis and various Middle Easterners I’ve been around.

  26. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    When I read pieces like this I always wonder how long it will be until the head office of a globalist mouthpiece like the WP, NYT or Guardian is the victim of a Christchurch/Utoya-style nationalist terrorist attack.

    The media reaction will be instructive. When Charlie Hebdo’s employees were massacred, everyone was warned against a backlash against Muslims which never really materialized, and that only a small minority approved of a violent response to blasphemy(in the UK about 1 in 3 Muslims see nothing wrong with such violence). If/when such a nationalist terror attack happens, it will be open season on all nationalists, violent or not, and the media will be egging them on even more than they already are.

  27. OT:

    Hate hoax du jour:

    Apparent Bay Point hate crime was likely staged, authorities say

    Cpt. Melissa Klawuhn, of the Contra Costa County Sheriff’s Office, said authorities are not considering the vandalism a hate crime at this point in the investigation because Brown, who is also black, has “personal ties” to one of the victims.

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/02/bay-point-black-families-homes-hit-with-graffiti-was-made-to-appear-as-a-hate-crime-sheriffs-office-says/

    Bay Point is part of a stretch of vibrancy along Hwy 4 in the hot, dry far East Bay about 28 miles from downtown Oakland and the end of one of the main BART lines.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    Why can't a crime be a "hate crime" if the perp hates the victim? I mean, if you hate someone and want to get even, then committing a crime against them makes cosmic sense.
  28. @Anon7
    I don't understand why blacks aren't angry about the appropriation of their cultural IP. Mr. Mehta is an "uppity" immigrant? This word was first used pejoratively in the Uncle Remus stories and was then reclaimed, with much effort, by the black community.

    Do black people think that there will be enough free stuff for everyone? Now that there are more Latinos than blacks, and we are poised to admit uncounted new immigrants with their hands out, why aren't blacks complaining - and supporting our President, Donald Trump, and his immigration ideas?

    Innumeracy will be the black's Achilles heel, mark my words...

    I don’t understand why blacks aren’t angry about the appropriation …

    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?

    And if you are aware something is stolen, you are not allowed to take possession of it. And we sure as hell know Mehta and company know this is stolen land. They remind us of it daily.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?
     
    India Indians think logic is a western construct used to oppress the helpless, the feeble and the weak. They also think truth isn't binary - it is more like "gender" - Baskin-Robbins used too few flavors to capture the vibrance of the diverse.

    You know you are guilty of badthink if you support logic, truth, or both of them -- you have to go to the naughty place until you are 'educated'(tm)

    , @Reg Cæsar
    If settlers were predators, then immigrants are scavengers.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Are South Asians less adept at constructing logical syllogisms? Serious question. They seem to have very binary thinking.
  29. @istevefan

    I will not genuflect at the white American altar. I will not bow and scrape before my supposed benefactors.
     
    And we will not genuflect at the diversity altar. We will not bow and scrape before those who come from shitholes.

    He’s betting very visible that you will. That, *look at me. I am the captain now. ”

    He figures Nice White ladies and con cucks and Christian ducks will force the majority of Whites to do just that. In the short term he is correct.

    Long term who can say?

  30. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him. The only reason he is here is due to the generosity and pity of the American people.

    This enrages him. But he knows it's true.

    Whether he is grateful or not is up to him. If he isn't grateful he hasn't won any great victory. He's just ungrateful.

    Ben Franklin wisely noted that people don't necessarily want you to do them favors. It makes them feel bad. People prefer to do favors for you. It makes them feel good.

    I guess Franklin never met any Gujarati diamond merchants.

    Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him.

    He’s here because our rulers invited him and the tens of millions of others like him without regard to what Americans felt or wanted.

    • Agree: Neuday
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Exactly right, full stop.
    , @Kronos
    We continue to pimp out his cousins (and himself) for rising Stock Market prices. They do all the buggy coding on the cheap (ask Boeing) so shareholder dividends can fly. (Until they nosedive like that new Boeing model.) It’s only fair that a prostitute gets his/her due.

    It’s the consequence of going on a economic free market (booze) binge; then waking up to realize you slept with Mehta and his three cousins. They’re all smiling with their mustache faces.

  31. I claim the right to reside here by manifest destiny, for myself, my cousins and uncles and children

    I am thinking the version of manifest destiny Mehta will encounter will differ dramatically from what Mehta has in mind. When ethnic cleansing comes for Mehta himself, his cousins and uncles and children, will he wonder why that unfortunate accident happened to him and his?

  32. @istevefan

    I don’t understand why blacks aren’t angry about the appropriation ...
     
    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?

    And if you are aware something is stolen, you are not allowed to take possession of it. And we sure as hell know Mehta and company know this is stolen land. They remind us of it daily.

    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?

    India Indians think logic is a western construct used to oppress the helpless, the feeble and the weak. They also think truth isn’t binary – it is more like “gender” – Baskin-Robbins used too few flavors to capture the vibrance of the diverse.

    You know you are guilty of badthink if you support logic, truth, or both of them — you have to go to the naughty place until you are ‘educated'(tm)

  33. That last bit:

    “I claim the right to reside here by manifest destiny, for myself, my cousins and uncles and children.”

    He didn’t actually write that did he? I assumed that was an isteve reduction.

  34. The ultimate irony is, GOP cucks are teaming with Democrats in a massive giveaway of Green Cards to Indians that will bring in many, many more Suketu Mehtas and Pramila Jaypals. And Trump appears likely to sign the bill into law.

    • Replies: @indocon
    I don't think he will sign the bill, the cat is out of the bag on this one. If the GOP had any brain, they can beat up Democrats among Mexicans and other Asians for favoring Indians and Chinese as this bill clearly does.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    The Trump DHS came out against the bill.

    https://twitter.com/JessicaV_CIS/status/1149038189816012801
  35. “Be grateful we took you in.”

    When there were very few Indian immigrants, this was once true. They were grateful. I saw it and heard it myself.

    Now, though, all we will get is contempt. We’ll deserve it, too, if we won’t defend our country.

    It was once said that “Mexicans do the jobs Americans won’t do” about stoop labor like picking lettuce. In recent years, the bottom has dropped out of the labor market; it’s hard for an American to get any sort of basic job. The labor market has been rewired to make use of immigrants.

    Americans higher up on the employment ladder shrug.

    Now, Indians cherry pick mid-six figure income, high level jobs like sub-specialist physician that require a serious lifetime commitment, decades of education and long hours and they say “Indians do the jobs that American’s won’t do… because they just aren’t up to it anymore.” Job categories like physician are being rewired to give preference to immigrants.

    The squeeze is on. And the contempt will grow.

    • Agree: Clyde
  36. This is weird, considering that the “cast” is 25% Japanese:

  37. @istevefan

    I don’t understand why blacks aren’t angry about the appropriation ...
     
    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?

    And if you are aware something is stolen, you are not allowed to take possession of it. And we sure as hell know Mehta and company know this is stolen land. They remind us of it daily.

    If settlers were predators, then immigrants are scavengers.

    • Agree: Haole, Redneck farmer
  38. He’s right about that last bit, it is destiny manifest.

  39. Washington Post: “I am an Uppity Immigrant. Don’t Expect Me to be ‘grateful.’”

    Very well. Don’t expect us to be grateful for your presence here, Mr. Mehta.

    You are not welcome. Go back.

  40. Generally, I used to have a favorable opinion of Indians. But so many Indians are now laboring dilligently to disabuse me of that opinion.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Generally, I used to have a favorable opinion of Indians. But so many Indians are now laboring diligently to disabuse me of that opinion.
     
    Agree and my agree button ran out. I have had business "engagements" with sub-con Asians and NE Asians. I vastly like and prefer the NE Asians and Koreans in America. And Koreans cannot invade America. Too Small a population. But the Chinese and so called Hindoos, elephant god worshipers can.
  41. Is this guy trying to be an a hole or was he just born that way. I cringe whenever I read stuff like this. Gratitude towards your benefactors is an essential trait of Dharmic religions. Karma has a date with him.

  42. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    Not only they aren’t as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched

    Sometimes literally. I rode a Hong Kong tram in 1985, and an older subcontinental woman sat across from me, letting her live rooster strut on the seat next to her.

    Joey Molland of Badfinger tells a story of bringing a live monkey he just purchased from a sailor onto a Liverpool bus. But he was about ten years old, so that’s forgivable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Badfinger!


    What a great band!

    Sadly under appreciated, and also the saddest story in Rock 'n' Roll.
    Apparently, the 'Breaking Bad' series gave them a new lease of life amongst those to young to remember them by using 'Baby Blue' as the soundtrack for the final scene.
  43. He comes over as an Indian variant of Ebenezer Scrooge. Only: Western culture produces those Scrooges and tolerates them, but it doesn’t admire them or take them as role models.

  44. • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    He is thankfully under DOJ investigation for funnelling millions of dollars of campaign contributions to companies he controls. Just another grifter riding the Zeitgeist. He'd have gotten away with it if he'd kept his mouth shut.
  45. There is one country planning ahead for 100% emigration, even having collectively purchased land abroad.

    This was no doubt on the agenda at this Cabinet meeting:

  46. As I pointed out on one of the articles written by Audacious, both these obnoxious grifters Suketu and Angela were very inward focused on their motherland few years back, you all know about Angela’s writings on sub-continent being the next technology power, Suketu was not that boastful but still wrting on inwards focus topics:
    http://www.suketumehta.com/articles

    The bash whiteyfest is very much a 2018-19 phenomea.

  47. • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    Show me a 10 foot fence and I'll show you an 11 foot ... never mind.
  48. I don’t think that most immigrants — now or in the past — felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in, and even if they did, gratitude is an extremely short-lived emotion.

    Suketu Mehta’s family didn’t move to America inspired by sunlit dreams of liberty. It was a business decision. A weighing up of potential benefits against anticipated costs and difficulties.

    Americans shouldn’t make immigration policy based on an expectation of gratitude. Therefore, I think Mehta’s book and article are of some value, because he makes it very clear that — where he is concerned — they aren’t going to get any.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    I don’t think that most immigrants — now or in the past — felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in
     
    Have any people from imperialist nations -- now or in the past -- ever felt overwhelming gratitude to the nations they plundered, which provided the fuel for their civilisational "success"?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    In general, there's way too much sacralization of immigration.

    Immigrants don't come here because they're inspired by our values, history, or system of govt. They come here purely for the money. If they could make more money by moving to Canada or Australia, they wouldn't think twice about it. It's a business decision, as you said.

    For them, America isn't their home. It's just a place to make money. They have no loyalty or sentimental attachment to anything about the country. That's why the Conservative emphasis on "traditional American values" doesn't resonate with immigrants and fails to motivate them to vote Republican. Even when immigrants are culturally conservative, they feel no connection to the country they're in and no desire to preserve it in any way.

    Even back in the Ellis Island era, the various "White ethnic" tribes (Irish, Italians, Greeks, Eastern Euros, etc.) felt no emotional connection to the country they were landing in. For them, American was just a place to exploit, which the immigrants did by forming various rent-seeking Mafias and building corrupt "Tammany Hall" political machines.

    If you want immigrants who will appreciate what America represents, choose from countries that are culturally similar and have historical links. Countries like England, Wales, and Scotland.
  49. @MG
    The ultimate irony is, GOP cucks are teaming with Democrats in a massive giveaway of Green Cards to Indians that will bring in many, many more Suketu Mehtas and Pramila Jaypals. And Trump appears likely to sign the bill into law.

    I don’t think he will sign the bill, the cat is out of the bag on this one. If the GOP had any brain, they can beat up Democrats among Mexicans and other Asians for favoring Indians and Chinese as this bill clearly does.

  50. @istevefan

    Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him.
     
    He's here because our rulers invited him and the tens of millions of others like him without regard to what Americans felt or wanted.

    Exactly right, full stop.

  51. @Steve Sailer
    They were demonising ‘White monopoly capital’ all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews.

    The Oppenheimers in South Africa didn't seem to like the Guptas, and I've been reading articles in the NYT ever since about how awful the Guptas were.

    The Guptas were also a post-Apartheid phenomenon. They moved to South Africa and self-identified as black for, IIRC.

  52. @L Woods
    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.

    I am entitled

    There. I took out my editing pen and cut this guy’s essay to its essence.

    Oh, did I say his essay? I meant his life.

  53. @L Woods
    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.

    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.

    Well said.

    But actually *every* American’s face. I’d like to have every American read this guy, then have the separation referendum. The referendum choices would be:

    A) I want to live in traditional Western Civilization America with closed borders.

    B) I want to live in diversitopia, LGBTQWERTY, open borders America with Suketa Metha.

    • Replies: @BB753
    But Metha, despite his protestations, wants to live in Traditional Western Civilization America to suck it dry, until there are no more Whites to live around. Then his clan will move somewhere else, though never back to India.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "B) I want to live in diversitopia, LGBTQWERTY, open borders America with Suketa Metha."...

    ...as my employer and landlord. There, that's how I would complete the sentence.
  54. Tucker Carlson: Dems haven’t learned any lessons from 2016 – and are on track to lose again in 2020

    Oh yes they have, and oh no they’re not.

    They’ll have millions more voters on their side in 2020, between migrants, felons, and other partisans. They’re playing the long game and while I hope Trump wins (mainly because I like seeing Democrat Angina) it will be at best a slight delay in the arrival of Armaggeddon.

  55. Granted, the Dems still need a candidate. Right?

  56. So long story short. Mr Mehta hasn’t increased per capita GDP, social trust, general happiness or even made America better looking.

    The real question is how would Mr Mehta feel if somebody invited themselves into his house, Mehta tolerated it and then spent all day insulting Mehta, telling him he was inviting his friends or really anybody in order to take any control of the house away from him and got all uppity when Mehta asked he just be grateful he let him into the house.

  57. @Tipsy
    People who are tribally oriented are rarely grateful, likely due due their diminished capacity for altruism.

    I think you’re just thinking of skinhead types. I think it’s the combination of ingroup attachment and a lack of empathy or self-awareness. When it comes to ethic identity it’s the ultimate ‘who, whom’ so people don’t think very deeply about it because you’re not supposed to, the group-level ethos is supposed to inform you.

  58. @songbird
    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can't decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system - is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don't seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    To be honest I’ve seen this attitude in immigrants from lots of Western and Northern European countries, even Sweden. Immigrants are kind of like tourists, above a certain threshold they’re social pollution. They’ll never admit that even for their own benefit they should be regulated and restricted. But tourists will.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Remember our elderly Dutch commenter? I forget his name. When he and his wife retired they bought an RV and spent a year touring the United States. He made many comments about his observations of the US. All we Americans he encountered were uneducated rubes. We had no health care, every European cliche about how dumb and in unenlightened we are.

    The curry socialist of Seattle Sawant, came on a spousal H1-B Microsoft visa now she wants the US to be ruled by BLM.

    Thanks Bill Gates. Thousands of experienced excellent programmers systems designers project managers etc in the US and you had to important Sawant and his anti American wife?

    I noticed Mehta’s parents didn’t even think of sending him to a NYC public school with the black and PR savages. Now he, Sawant and the other Hindus and Muslims want to lead the blacks and browns against us Whites.

    Well, they’ll have to overthrow the Jewish chieftains of the black Asian and brown army against the Whites first.
  59. Wax accused immigrants like me of being culturally inferior: “Most inhabitants of the Third World don’t necessarily share our ideas and beliefs . . . Our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites.”

    Say “They are different from the US mainstream”

    Be heard as “They are culturally inferior”

    There are powerful forces at work, M. Freud.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  60. What he needs a steel toe capped boot up his arse.

  61. I prefer simple, honest racism. But Extravagant Racism is better than none.

    • LOL: BB753
  62. I’ve posted this before but I think it illustrates human nature better since Japan is a much clearer canvas for this phenomena.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan.

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*

    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    Of course the most insane video comes from a very overweight woman who seems deeply psychologically hurt. Just listen to how she says ‘homogeneous society’ in such a passive-aggressive tone. She can barely contain her rage and sadness. The whole video is an exercise in Sailer’s first law of female journalism but I time skipped to her rant about Japan needing ‘more diverse bodies’. Japan just needs more obese people, needs.

    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.

    “That is something that really needs to change.” Needs to change for whom? I like how she doesn’t see a way for Japanese people to simply be more polite to overweight people outside more people becoming obese, a bit like immigrants with a chip on their shoulder needing more foreigners to feel ‘safe’.

    • Replies: @Some Random Anon
    Blacks find out how much they're really loved by non-blacks when they leave the cucky West.
  63. @nebulafox
    " supposed benefactors"

    "Supposed"? There's no physics graduate student or C++ developer (I'm not talking about the JS cut-and-paste types) I've ever met who isn't appreciative of not being in India anymore. Like, ever. There's a reason that India has no haigui phenomenon going on right now. I realize that succeeding in STEM requires empirical abilities that Mehta lacks, granted, but still...

    And most are extremely candid that the United States gives them the option to "become" American in a way that Europe-let alone East Asia-never does, as even Mehta himself begrudgingly admits toward the end. The US has its flaws, but this is still a damned good country to live in relative to most of the world.

    What a putz.

    I think his point is that he can exploit the largesse of the U.S. without any reciprocation even in sentiment because…well, I’m not sure why. Just because.

  64. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Mehta,

    Just for one moment suppose that your dalit ‘sweeper’ or ‘dhobi’ back home had the presumptuousness to declare that he is ‘entitled’ to be included in your caste, marry your sister and eat at your table – and if you don’t like it, you can lump it.
    After all, isn’t he ‘a man and a brother and an Indian’ and doesn’t he have to fight the powerful to get the ‘righs’ which are ‘naturally’ his?

  65. @Bragadocious
    A journalism professor at a school that costs $70,000 a year to attend. Sounds like he's "bowing and scraping" to the PTB to justify his position and raise the profile of a program that frankly ain't worth it.

    You beat me to it.

    Of all the jobs in the world from whose soap-box one ought to broadcast some measure of humility, out of an awareness of its gaseous counterfeititude, “journalism” “professor” would be near the top of the list.

    A more useless form of parasite can scarcely be found. “Journalism” “professors” IME are creative writing teachers with bells, whistles, and rhinestone knobs attached via various acts of ankle-grabbing for those in power.

    I also whiff an element of Home-Wrecking Slut, as per these words.

    I will not bow and scrape before my supposed benefactors. I am entitled to be here.

    Reminds me of Jerelyn Luther screeching at Nick Christakis in the Yale quad…then him turning around and inviting the entire lot of screeching negresses/hysterical wimminz into his and his wife’s living room. Where they screeched, among other things, that he wasn’t paying them enough attention (and by extension was taking his wife’s side instead). To which he cuckily replied that his heart was breaking over having disappointed them.

    But hey–behaving thankless, entitled, shameless, demanding, and obnoxious never got in the way of mistresses getting power over men…or jews getting power over whites. So why should a parasite like an uppity curry-scented “journalism” “professor” not try the same schtik? Whites likely appear in his eyes to be suckers for embarrassingly appalling feminized behavior…at least in the past 50 years, when bringing such society- and decency-wrecking weakness/malevolence/hysteria to heel By Any Means Necessary has been considered forbidden in the extreme.

    I’ll leave the last word here to the Sage of Baltimore (back when it still had some claim to being Charm City).

  66. This reminds me why I don’t like street shitters.

  67. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:

    The bigger point here is the *right* of *sovereign* *independent* nations to govern themselves – that is their inherent right to promulgate, enforce and propose any law, restriction etc whatsoever upon their own nation – and as that applies to external relations with foreign nations. A subsidiary point is that often the sovereign law of the nation is contingent upon the democratic will of the national electorate.

    *This* is *the* irreducible, default, natural and persistent pattern of what might be termed ‘international relations’ since the dawn of civilization, and is basically the de jure and de facto state of things today.

    Only that The Economist magazine – and the gullible political fools which follow it wish to destroy it.

  68. @songbird
    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can't decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system - is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don't seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    I have never seen a group that kowtows harder to anyone they perceive as higher status, or abominably mistreats those they think of lower status, than subcontinentals. For the young people out there; never take a job with a subcontinental boss, and if you have one as an employee, be aware of their extreme tendency to bootlick (and then betray you.)

  69. @Chrisnonymous

    Should today’s migrants be “grateful” to the countries that caused them to move in the first place, the ones that despoiled their homelands and made them unsafe and unlivable? For example, in Somalia — birthplace of Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) — the United States sent $1 billion to the dictator Mohamed Siad Barre, and the ensuing civil war quite literally blew up Omar’s childhood.
     
    I see. So if the USA had not sent $1B to Somalia, they would be peaceful and prosperous now?

    And in Myanmar, if the world George Orwell wrote about hadn't existed, they would all be living in peace?

    Probably the USA is responsible for Russian backwardness too.

    Probably the USA is responsible for Russian backwardness too.

    This is unz.com; don’t get ’em started.

  70. @L Woods

    The idea is: White Americans get to decide who is allowed to come in and what rules we are to follow. If you come here, don’t complain. Be grateful we took you in. “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.
     
    You’re goddamned right.

    Yeah,nice in theory. But it doesn’t seem to be happening in reality.

  71. This is the essential problem with immigration. When numbers are small foreigners feel self-conscious, accept their outsider status.

    They are in any effect surrounded by the natives who don’t feel threatened or resentful of small numbers of outsiders and if there are too few of their diaspora to form a counter pull, naturally get adsorbed without much notice if they choose to stay. (In a typically Western country anyway, other places may be more culturally rigid and difficult to do this in )

    But modern mass migration with it’s attendant silent assumption that the minute a single person of a different ethnicity shows up, said country is now ‘multi-ethnic and multi-cultural’ (Regardless of if the native population was actually this already, nobody called Switzerland multicultural before the Albanians showed up) meaning there can be no restrictions on immigration numbers or legitimate concern for the native population, they have lost their country. They no longer have a state whose purpose is the manifestation of them and their interests. It is essentially the biggest movement to end self-determination since the age of empires. Their numbers are only to ever decline, their cultural, geographic and political living space taken constantly by more interlopers who now start to tell them how lucky they are to have them.

    There are always too many natives and not enough ‘diversity’.

  72. Most Whites don’t expect immigrants to be “grateful” or, going further, to express ‘gratitude’: that’s boomer cringe.

    Just don’t pretentiously slander/malign us and our forebears — also don’t militantly advocate for the (further) demographic destruction/confiscation of our country, especially as some kind of ‘just desserts’ — at the moment we’d settle for that.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "Deal not accepted"
  73. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not only they aren’t as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched
     
    Sometimes literally. I rode a Hong Kong tram in 1985, and an older subcontinental woman sat across from me, letting her live rooster strut on the seat next to her.

    Joey Molland of Badfinger tells a story of bringing a live monkey he just purchased from a sailor onto a Liverpool bus. But he was about ten years old, so that's forgivable.

    Badfinger!

    What a great band!

    Sadly under appreciated, and also the saddest story in Rock ‘n’ Roll.
    Apparently, the ‘Breaking Bad’ series gave them a new lease of life amongst those to young to remember them by using ‘Baby Blue’ as the soundtrack for the final scene.

  74. @songbird
    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can't decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system - is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don't seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    Probably same as Jews.

    If you are a successful minority in a foreign population, thanks to traits like higher IQ and ethnic interest orientation with a predatory touch (super-cast), then,

    you should favour multi-cultural society in the host population because it diminishes the transplant rejection probability by rending your super-cast less visible and the ethnic orientation of the host population illegitimate.

    So intelligent India while being extremely ebdogzmous have the same stances than Jewish people in their USA ascension moment.

    The jews though were always extrzmelly appreciative with the host at the beginning of their settlement (Greek, Rome, Germany, Russia etc) and then extremely critical until their expulsion. They had never been an objective to make the host country multi cultural. The Indian have adopted the Jewish stance probably by pure mimickery and because it serves their interest best.

    The hypocrisy is obvious in the practice of the super-cast. Endogamy. Ginsburg, positive discrimination and her clerks ethnicity (1 black out of 150, around two third of jews) is a perfect example of the duplicity.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    If you are a successful minority in a foreign population, thanks to traits like higher IQ and ethnic interest orientation with a predatory touch (super-cast), then, you should favour multi-cultural society in the host population because it diminishes the transplant rejection probability by rending your super-cast less visible and the ethnic orientation of the host population illegitimate.
     
    Extremely well said Bruno. "Transplant rejection probability"--great metaphor.

    For some reason--intense propaganda?--some people have difficulty understanding--or believing/admitting--that Jews have pushed minoritarianism and the balkanization of the American nation so hard ... because it's in their interest as a high achieving, endogamous outgroup. Something that to me seems pretty obvious--game theory 101.

    Basically a balkanized non-nation is much more penetrable than a real nation. (A slut, versus a virtuous girl with strong morals.) And in the balkanized non-nation the host population finds it much more difficult to organize coherently to resist.

    This is basically where we are at in American in 2019. Even though more immigration/balkanization will push whites--into being a minority in the nation their ancestors built ... they no longer have demographic weight or unity to stop it. The Jews have won. They've balkanized and hence destroyed America. Addled by their propaganda, we were too stupid, polite, mild-mannered, complacent to stop them. (Whether we can achieve separation or will have a race war or get biocided by China or just fade into Brazil like mediocrity ... hard to say. But this joint isn't America anymore.)

    Anyway your "transplant rejection" metaphor is a good one. Hopefully it will help a few more people understand why an endogamous middle-man minority--especially one historically hostile to the nation's host population like the Jews--pushes minoritarianism, balkanization, national-destruction so fervently.
  75. One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta’s family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing “Kumbaya.” There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let’s get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Aardvark
    Pagan? What does he think about (((another))) group that will refer to him as Goyim?
    Also, are you supposed to say you are Skeptical of Color? These things confuse me.
    , @El Dato
    These stories are not to be taken literally.

    They *could* be true. That's enough. They are Just So stories to illustrate Badness.

    He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.
     
    In a sense, this happened to me too. But not *quite* like that. Still got a broken tooth from it and had to sit at the back of the church during mass. Confessional was easy as the priest didn't really want to hear anything and gave me default absolution.
    , @ChrisZ
    Interesting observation, Astorian. It must be Mehta's comic book origin story: the key moment that establishes his motivation, sets his life's path, excuses his future actions, and gives a moral grounding to justify his notions of entitlement or superiority.

    On reflection, this genre of personal confession has become very common lately. Rod Dreher offered something similar recently, with a story about how he was (almost) beaten up on a school trip, as adult chaperones looked on. Kamala Harris did so too, with that little-girl-bussing stunt she pulled on Biden. I guess the modern master of the genre is T-N Coates, with his epic escalator story; he's turned out to be an actual comic book writer.

    Someone could collect a whole book of these tales (I see that El Dato aptly calls them "Just So Stories"). I suppose it says something about our culture that people no longer see adult character as the result of a gradual, winding process of maturation, discovery and awakening, but rather as the consequence of some uncontrolled external action that decisively determines our capacities and frailties for all time.
    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    Just because your christian school was a certain way doesn't mean it was the case for all of them. What you faced at your school doesnt matter at all and its irrelevant.

    He could very well have been bullied. And why would his former classmates say anything? It would make them look bad.
    , @anonymous
    That may be why Sukhetu Mehta does not reveal which school he went to.
    , @95Theses
    Oh! Would that Mehta the Malcontent did name names!

    My guess is that he's smart enough to know that the instant he did that he would give those whose reputations he slandered grounds to sue.

    But you're right. There ought to be a loud clamors and bleats for and until Mehta give specifics. And names, names, names!
    , @David In TN
    There is no reason to believe the Story. None at all.
  76. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird
    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can't decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system - is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don't seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    Basically, Indians know full well that their native land cannot possibly support its swollen population at a ‘decent’ standard of middle class life, thus their is a largely unspoken but very real gameplan to export the surplus to the foolish, gullible Economist whipped west. Canada is by far the best example of this game plan.

    Couple this with a natural chippiness and arrogance engendered by centuries of caste based obseiance.

  77. I am an uppity immigrant. Don’t expect me to be ‘grateful.’

    Expect you to be grateful? Certainly not. I don’t even expect you to be here.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    "Do you expect me to be grateful?

    "No, Mr. Mehta I expect you die."
  78. I understand there’s a big problem with street-sh**ting in India (well, to be fair, in now San Francisco also). Immigrants like Mehta are bringing it here too – figuratively crapping all over this country.

  79. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him. The only reason he is here is due to the generosity and pity of the American people.

    This enrages him. But he knows it's true.

    Whether he is grateful or not is up to him. If he isn't grateful he hasn't won any great victory. He's just ungrateful.

    Ben Franklin wisely noted that people don't necessarily want you to do them favors. It makes them feel bad. People prefer to do favors for you. It makes them feel good.

    I guess Franklin never met any Gujarati diamond merchants.

    This is an interesting article, as are the speculations as to why Mehta sounds this way.

    I’ve run into this in various organizations. It’s the “crazy boss” ploy. The idea is for a person in authority to say something utterly at variance with reality, but to say it with great vehemence. Since the person’s position is unassailable, those around him (or her, especially her) try to humor the lunatic.

    It’s an old method, and it has the one advantage that the person is self-identifying as an enemy.

    Counterinsurgency

  80. @istevefan

    Look, Mehta is here because Americans feel sorry for him.
     
    He's here because our rulers invited him and the tens of millions of others like him without regard to what Americans felt or wanted.

    We continue to pimp out his cousins (and himself) for rising Stock Market prices. They do all the buggy coding on the cheap (ask Boeing) so shareholder dividends can fly. (Until they nosedive like that new Boeing model.) It’s only fair that a prostitute gets his/her due.

    It’s the consequence of going on a economic free market (booze) binge; then waking up to realize you slept with Mehta and his three cousins. They’re all smiling with their mustache faces.

    • Agree: bomag
  81. We can get along quite well without J-schools and the people who work in them, especially if their mendacious and have bad attitudes. Send him back.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Brother Lot and I will take care of that problem when Generalplan Amerika gets implemented.
    , @bomag

    We can get along quite well without J-schools and the people who work in them...
     
    Amen.

    And they attract the mendacious with bad attitudes who like to spout their crap from a position of nominal authority.
    , @kaganovitch
    if their mendacious and have bad attitudes

    Et tu , Art Deco?
  82. @nebulafox
    " supposed benefactors"

    "Supposed"? There's no physics graduate student or C++ developer (I'm not talking about the JS cut-and-paste types) I've ever met who isn't appreciative of not being in India anymore. Like, ever. There's a reason that India has no haigui phenomenon going on right now. I realize that succeeding in STEM requires empirical abilities that Mehta lacks, granted, but still...

    And most are extremely candid that the United States gives them the option to "become" American in a way that Europe-let alone East Asia-never does, as even Mehta himself begrudgingly admits toward the end. The US has its flaws, but this is still a damned good country to live in relative to most of the world.

    What a putz.

    I knew an Indian guy at work in the 1980s, who confided in me that watching the move Woodstock in India when he was in college made him suddenly realize that he wanted to be over here, and not over there.

    As others have mentioned on iSteve occasionally, the old crowd of South Asian professional immigrants, from before the IT explosion, was a bit different. Suketu Mehta seems to be an exception, or perhaps he’s decided to jump on the “woke” immigrant bandwagon, late in his career. I’m not sure what the upside to him is, though, as he appears to have tenure. Maybe he figured an in-your-face “brown immigrant power” attitude and book would sell well. His timing is near perfect, I must say.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Bengali in prat forms.
  83. @Anon7
    I don't understand why blacks aren't angry about the appropriation of their cultural IP. Mr. Mehta is an "uppity" immigrant? This word was first used pejoratively in the Uncle Remus stories and was then reclaimed, with much effort, by the black community.

    Do black people think that there will be enough free stuff for everyone? Now that there are more Latinos than blacks, and we are poised to admit uncounted new immigrants with their hands out, why aren't blacks complaining - and supporting our President, Donald Trump, and his immigration ideas?

    Innumeracy will be the black's Achilles heel, mark my words...

    Oddly enough, the word “uppity” is now an anti-white dog whistle. Because only white racists used it without irony. So the story goes.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  84. I’ve been told to “go back” ever since 1977, when I enrolled in an extravagantly racist all-boys Catholic school in Queens, N.Y.

    I am entitled to be here. Deal with it.

    I claim the right to reside here by manifest destiny, for myself, my cousins and uncles and children.

    Mehta is technically correct that he need not necessarily be sent back: He and his interloping extended family could all reside suddenly and permanently in US gravesites when history, contra 1992 Fukuyama, inevitably happens again. Mehta, meet physical:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/rep-omars-family-values/#comment-3290130 (#139)

  85. Wait… is this actually Godfrey Elfwick?
    Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together?

    Damn Godfrey got me good again here…

  86. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    I can’t get the WaPo comments to load anymore whether on my phone or desktop home or work computer.

  87. The ‘Scramble for America’ (copyright Mr Sailer) is on! and Mr Mehta will not feel at home until the US is his own private Indiao….
    … but with just two castes: his and the untouchables.

  88. So… because the English gave his country a hard time while building a significant portion of their almost non-existent infrastructure they enjoy to this day, this proud Indian ingrate is taking it to the United States, because there were English people there, along with many other folks from Caucasian country of origin… and that’s enough for him.

    So now, will we have to watch Apu as Hamilton? Or is there only one terribly misguided and unintentionally comical appropriation of white identity allowed per historical figure? First come, first serve, maybe?

    Even with that constraint, I don’t think the Indians are going to find white history an easy nut to appropriate…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWz9FzY-ChY&feature=youtu.be

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    The myth of the infrastructure.... they built only a tiny trivial amount...its why India was a s******e after "liberation". The majority were developed after
    , @Ancient Briton
    Well, Goodness, gracious, me. I blame Peter Sellers.
    , @Anonniau
    The UK helped Pakistan genocide Hindu Bengalis in 1971 and gave Islam a second wind in the region.

    You truly deserve all that is coming to you Anglo christcuck।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
  89. • Replies: @El Dato
    Looks like they are giving up on the Casio show?

    There may indeed be more money in that vaguely grotesque Green New Deal thing.

    Green New Deal will ... create an economy that makes our communities sustainable, healthy and just.
     
    Who wouldn't put money into this plan?

    Hitching this to the "New Deal" super-govnmt program is apt. Promise anything while sounding good on radio. Implement the only thing you know how to do: Total control via Government Institutions and lawfare bereft of any economic forethought. Pauperize everyone. After 10 years, admire an unmitigated disaster area. But then, World War saves you from the political consequences.
  90. @L Woods

    The idea is: White Americans get to decide who is allowed to come in and what rules we are to follow. If you come here, don’t complain. Be grateful we took you in. “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.
     
    You’re goddamned right.

    Mehta:

    “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.

    Significantly, “Go back” is an understated fair warning:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/questions-3/#comment-2710464 (#183)

  91. You’d be miserable too if you had to deal with nasty-looking (and smelling) Indian woman day in and day out.

    This country needs to return to the pre-1965 policy of judging immigrant status based on how nice-looking the women of a specific country are. The Irish and Italians were laughing and whooping it up and their pubs and pizza joints with those hot redheads and brunettes. We need to get back to that kind of immigrant.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    90% of subcon women are unbearable, ugly and trashy. Horrible mentalities, annoying to be around. I stay wary of them. I just stick to whites or east asians. You're spot on.
    , @Redneck farmer
    The Achmed E. Newman doctrine.
  92. If there were a dating website called Immigrant Supremacist Matchmaker.
    Mr Mehta could woo (the now footloose) Miss Omar- for both to live unhappily in America for ever after.

  93. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    her parents had to leave the West Bank and seek shelter in the country principally responsible for backing (and sending billions annually to) the government that occupies their hometown?

    After all, Rep. Tlaib practices a religion, Islam, that has no countries of its own, so of course Muslims must migrate to their Great Oppressor.

    Yes, the “great” oppressors would love nothing more than the oppressed to crawl away, out of sight, out of mind.

    Tlaib & Omar, took the best course of action, coming to America. How else could they be a thorn against those who caused their people so much grief? In fact, most Pals should make their way to Great Satanistan or Britain or France.

  94. @L Woods
    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.

    He’s a great asset for our side. He needs to keep talking – he brings honesty to the debate.

  95. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea
    I don't think that most immigrants -- now or in the past -- felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in, and even if they did, gratitude is an extremely short-lived emotion.

    Suketu Mehta's family didn't move to America inspired by sunlit dreams of liberty. It was a business decision. A weighing up of potential benefits against anticipated costs and difficulties.

    Americans shouldn't make immigration policy based on an expectation of gratitude. Therefore, I think Mehta's book and article are of some value, because he makes it very clear that -- where he is concerned -- they aren't going to get any.

    I don’t think that most immigrants — now or in the past — felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in

    Have any people from imperialist nations — now or in the past — ever felt overwhelming gratitude to the nations they plundered, which provided the fuel for their civilisational “success”?

    • Replies: @bomag

    Have any people from imperialist nations — now or in the past — ever felt overwhelming gratitude to the nations they plundered
     
    No one ever claimed that they did, while the current narrative is that immigrants are anxious to get here to show their appreciation.

    While we are on the topic, let us note that Old time imperialists often acted out of noblesse oblige; White Man's Burden was originally an unironic poem.

    The advantages from "plunder" that you suggest are non-existent; imperial adventures cost more than they returned. Thus Portugal remained poor despite a large colonial empire; Sweden and Germany became far wealthier.
    , @Saxon
    I think a lot of these were at best breaking even, possibly losing money overall, not "fueling civilisational success". It probably made some individuals rich, though. Kind of like this whole free trade scam, really.
  96. @MG
    The ultimate irony is, GOP cucks are teaming with Democrats in a massive giveaway of Green Cards to Indians that will bring in many, many more Suketu Mehtas and Pramila Jaypals. And Trump appears likely to sign the bill into law.

    The Trump DHS came out against the bill.

    • Replies: @MG
    I hope you are right and Trump will veto any such bill. But I’m not so sure, given Trump’s fickleness and the ease he can be sweet-talked into signing garbage.

    Also, the fact that so many GOP cucks were willing to sign on to this should worry us.

    As an Indian immigrant (who came as a graduate student in engineering) immensely grateful to the USA for all the opportunities it has given me, I regard Mehta as a pile of excrement.
  97. To this I say: No, we are not. I take my place in America — an imperfect place — and I make it my own; there’s a Constitution that protects my right to do so.

    Well actually the constitution states that the right to naturalize, to make someone a citizen, resides with the federal congress.

  98. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:

    “The West” did this and that but also:

    unchecked carbon emissions

    …of which Metha as a proud member of an industrialized country, is a beneficiary.

    Doesn’t matter, it’s going onto the stack of Evil Western Things. Hey, add Union Carbide’s “Chernobyl Level Event” of Bhopal to this!

    It’s really like a proud member of Academia waxing lyrical about Gayified Marxism-Maoism. Complaining about Capitalism while having a latte. Make a laundry list. “Add this. And that too!” Possibly including untrammeled Moon Landings.

    We are all in ecological deep shit bit what’s ecological impact of 1.37 billion people sitting in India. (411 people/km²) vs USA (34 people/km²), especially if they want to industrialize upwards based on the goods and means of production created during the period of unchecked carbon emissions?

  99. @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    Pagan? What does he think about (((another))) group that will refer to him as Goyim?
    Also, are you supposed to say you are Skeptical of Color? These things confuse me.

  100. @black sea
    I don't think that most immigrants -- now or in the past -- felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in, and even if they did, gratitude is an extremely short-lived emotion.

    Suketu Mehta's family didn't move to America inspired by sunlit dreams of liberty. It was a business decision. A weighing up of potential benefits against anticipated costs and difficulties.

    Americans shouldn't make immigration policy based on an expectation of gratitude. Therefore, I think Mehta's book and article are of some value, because he makes it very clear that -- where he is concerned -- they aren't going to get any.

    In general, there’s way too much sacralization of immigration.

    Immigrants don’t come here because they’re inspired by our values, history, or system of govt. They come here purely for the money. If they could make more money by moving to Canada or Australia, they wouldn’t think twice about it. It’s a business decision, as you said.

    For them, America isn’t their home. It’s just a place to make money. They have no loyalty or sentimental attachment to anything about the country. That’s why the Conservative emphasis on “traditional American values” doesn’t resonate with immigrants and fails to motivate them to vote Republican. Even when immigrants are culturally conservative, they feel no connection to the country they’re in and no desire to preserve it in any way.

    Even back in the Ellis Island era, the various “White ethnic” tribes (Irish, Italians, Greeks, Eastern Euros, etc.) felt no emotional connection to the country they were landing in. For them, American was just a place to exploit, which the immigrants did by forming various rent-seeking Mafias and building corrupt “Tammany Hall” political machines.

    If you want immigrants who will appreciate what America represents, choose from countries that are culturally similar and have historical links. Countries like England, Wales, and Scotland.

    • Replies: @Jake
    Tammany Hall as a political machine to use democracy to gain control over NYC was founded in 1789 by and for "pure Americans," which meant Protestants of British ancestry who had been born in America. Tammany Hall was Nativist before anybody used the term. And Tammany Hall from its inception was rough and tumble, using all kinds of methods, including violence and bribes, to prevent certain from voting and to secure certain votes.

    1789, by the way, was a full half century before NYC had enough Irish Catholics to man a St Patrick's glee club, and a full century before NYC had enough Italians to mean that fine cooking could be smelled in the area. So who were the non-natives that Tammany Hall opposed (on the ground that the immigrants would be bribed to vote against the interests of the original Tammany machine)? British Isles Protestants preponderantly, with small dabs of German and some Low Countries Protestants. Easily the largest group opposed by Tammany until after the Civil War was Irish Protestants with Scots the second most opposed.

    Your post could have written by the ADL or SPLC because it supports a false narrative of history in which one set of whites abuses 'other' whites because the abused whites are inferior.

    Guess who always comes out the winner of that game? Yep - the WASP Elites and their Jewish bankers, their indispensable Jewish allies - the team that runs things right now.

    By the way, the Tammany machine eventually was able to use its political muscle to do a large number of very good things for NYC. And by then, Tammany was run preponderantly by Irish Catholics and had essentially 0 English input (the Protestants still active in the Tammany machine then were Scots-Irish, Scots, and Welsh).
  101. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:

    Another South Asian rhetorical bomb-thrower, Saikat Chakrabarti, decides to move onto greener pastures, so to speak.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-will-resign-to-join-group-working-on-green-new-deal/2019/08/02/14c1cf14-b569-11e9-951e-de024209545d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c0f55379d81c

    Looks like they are giving up on the Casio show?

    There may indeed be more money in that vaguely grotesque Green New Deal thing.

    Green New Deal will … create an economy that makes our communities sustainable, healthy and just.

    Who wouldn’t put money into this plan?

    Hitching this to the “New Deal” super-govnmt program is apt. Promise anything while sounding good on radio. Implement the only thing you know how to do: Total control via Government Institutions and lawfare bereft of any economic forethought. Pauperize everyone. After 10 years, admire an unmitigated disaster area. But then, World War saves you from the political consequences.

  102. Where did you get the information about the muggings? Google seems not to know about it.

  103. @Art Deco
    We can get along quite well without J-schools and the people who work in them, especially if their mendacious and have bad attitudes. Send him back.

    Brother Lot and I will take care of that problem when Generalplan Amerika gets implemented.

  104. Talking of Methas,

    What’s up with

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaira_Mehta

    A “10 year old CEO who teaches kids how to code AI algorithms” (In fricking Java? Why you make me cry. Samaira?)

    Unless she is the transed bastard reincarnation of Newton and Jobs, pigs shall fly at TED conferences.

    This seems to “CEO coding girl” counterpart of “Green Deal Or Apocalypse” Greta.

    • Replies: @peterike

    This seems to “CEO coding girl” counterpart of “Green Deal Or Apocalypse” Greta.

     

    Just a more sophisticated version of Clock Boy.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Just curious, but what language would you have preferred?

    As for myself, I haven’t coded in Java since either 2000 or 2001.
  105. @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    These stories are not to be taken literally.

    They *could* be true. That’s enough. They are Just So stories to illustrate Badness.

    He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    In a sense, this happened to me too. But not *quite* like that. Still got a broken tooth from it and had to sit at the back of the church during mass. Confessional was easy as the priest didn’t really want to hear anything and gave me default absolution.

    • Replies: @sayless
    El Dato, would you expand on that? Didn’t quite get it. Thanks.
  106. The American Elites tell them that they are indeed special, entitled. The American Elites tell them that all whites who are not accepted as Elite are white trash and deserve to be treated as nothing or worse than nothing.

    So why wouldn’t these non-white immigrants act this way?

    THE great problem is the American Elites, the Elites who run the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

  107. Suketu Mehta has to go back.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    He needs to get back to where he once belonged.
  108. @anonymous

    I don’t think that most immigrants — now or in the past — felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in
     
    Have any people from imperialist nations -- now or in the past -- ever felt overwhelming gratitude to the nations they plundered, which provided the fuel for their civilisational "success"?

    Have any people from imperialist nations — now or in the past — ever felt overwhelming gratitude to the nations they plundered

    No one ever claimed that they did, while the current narrative is that immigrants are anxious to get here to show their appreciation.

    While we are on the topic, let us note that Old time imperialists often acted out of noblesse oblige; White Man’s Burden was originally an unironic poem.

    The advantages from “plunder” that you suggest are non-existent; imperial adventures cost more than they returned. Thus Portugal remained poor despite a large colonial empire; Sweden and Germany became far wealthier.

  109. @indocon
    This is how India's border looks like Bangladesh.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-border-between-bangladesh-and-india-has-become_us_5842ade4e4b04587de5dea38

    Show me a 10 foot fence and I’ll show you an 11 foot … never mind.

  110. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    One thing about this guy: he's been here for decades but still sounds like Peter Sellers in 'The Party.'

    “How-dee Par-din-ner” “Bir-dee num-num”

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    If he says 'birdy num-num' just once in an interview I'll buy his book.
  111. @JohnnyWalker123
    In general, there's way too much sacralization of immigration.

    Immigrants don't come here because they're inspired by our values, history, or system of govt. They come here purely for the money. If they could make more money by moving to Canada or Australia, they wouldn't think twice about it. It's a business decision, as you said.

    For them, America isn't their home. It's just a place to make money. They have no loyalty or sentimental attachment to anything about the country. That's why the Conservative emphasis on "traditional American values" doesn't resonate with immigrants and fails to motivate them to vote Republican. Even when immigrants are culturally conservative, they feel no connection to the country they're in and no desire to preserve it in any way.

    Even back in the Ellis Island era, the various "White ethnic" tribes (Irish, Italians, Greeks, Eastern Euros, etc.) felt no emotional connection to the country they were landing in. For them, American was just a place to exploit, which the immigrants did by forming various rent-seeking Mafias and building corrupt "Tammany Hall" political machines.

    If you want immigrants who will appreciate what America represents, choose from countries that are culturally similar and have historical links. Countries like England, Wales, and Scotland.

    Tammany Hall as a political machine to use democracy to gain control over NYC was founded in 1789 by and for “pure Americans,” which meant Protestants of British ancestry who had been born in America. Tammany Hall was Nativist before anybody used the term. And Tammany Hall from its inception was rough and tumble, using all kinds of methods, including violence and bribes, to prevent certain from voting and to secure certain votes.

    1789, by the way, was a full half century before NYC had enough Irish Catholics to man a St Patrick’s glee club, and a full century before NYC had enough Italians to mean that fine cooking could be smelled in the area. So who were the non-natives that Tammany Hall opposed (on the ground that the immigrants would be bribed to vote against the interests of the original Tammany machine)? British Isles Protestants preponderantly, with small dabs of German and some Low Countries Protestants. Easily the largest group opposed by Tammany until after the Civil War was Irish Protestants with Scots the second most opposed.

    Your post could have written by the ADL or SPLC because it supports a false narrative of history in which one set of whites abuses ‘other’ whites because the abused whites are inferior.

    Guess who always comes out the winner of that game? Yep – the WASP Elites and their Jewish bankers, their indispensable Jewish allies – the team that runs things right now.

    By the way, the Tammany machine eventually was able to use its political muscle to do a large number of very good things for NYC. And by then, Tammany was run preponderantly by Irish Catholics and had essentially 0 English input (the Protestants still active in the Tammany machine then were Scots-Irish, Scots, and Welsh).

  112. @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    Interesting observation, Astorian. It must be Mehta’s comic book origin story: the key moment that establishes his motivation, sets his life’s path, excuses his future actions, and gives a moral grounding to justify his notions of entitlement or superiority.

    On reflection, this genre of personal confession has become very common lately. Rod Dreher offered something similar recently, with a story about how he was (almost) beaten up on a school trip, as adult chaperones looked on. Kamala Harris did so too, with that little-girl-bussing stunt she pulled on Biden. I guess the modern master of the genre is T-N Coates, with his epic escalator story; he’s turned out to be an actual comic book writer.

    Someone could collect a whole book of these tales (I see that El Dato aptly calls them “Just So Stories”). I suppose it says something about our culture that people no longer see adult character as the result of a gradual, winding process of maturation, discovery and awakening, but rather as the consequence of some uncontrolled external action that decisively determines our capacities and frailties for all time.

  113. Suketu Mehta is an example of a perfectly culturally assimilated immigrant.

    Unfortunate the assimilated culture is that of the home grown Commie college professor.

    A bad attitude immigrant to be sure, but not your typical bad attitude immigrant at all.

    Incidentally, if you’re well to do, NYC Jewish or equivalent, not super-duper connected, and really not smart enough to get into Harvard, your school is NYU.

  114. … I claim the right to reside here by manifest destiny, for myself, my cousins and uncles and children.

    It’s all about cousins.

    Don’t forget the uncles … someone has to roger him and his cousins to ensure they are brought up properly.

  115. Suketu Mehta…. and a Ramakrishnan named reporter of sorts. Here are two Hindoos bitching among themselves. Thus lots more loose on what the fugly Suketu Mehta will say
    https://electricliterature.com/this-land-is-our-land-is-the-manifesto-we-need-at-a-time-where-immigration-is-being-criminalized/

    Sample quote of this deranged douche-bag’s rage (half fake and half real) because normal white women deny him access to their Vs

    They came here to work and they came here because we Americans fucked up their countries and stole their future. They came here because we were there. In many cases, these are people who’ve been living here all their life and through some bureaucratic accident, they happened to not have the right paper. Now the government is going to swoop in on them with these uniformed soldiers pointing guns at them and throw them in prison. This violates every principle that this country was founded on.

  116. Mehta have a Tinder account?

    He should hook up with Saira Sameera Rao.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    I would hope that he hooks up with Corey Booker instead. That would keep him from reproducing, at least.
  117. I pray every day that India and Pakistan finally have that nuclear war that never quite happens, and that they are both wiped off the face of the earth.

  118. @Glaivester
    Suketu Mehta has to go back.

    He needs to get back to where he once belonged.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    He needs to get back to where he once belonged.
     
    Get back, Suketu!
  119. This article is a cry of triumph from a successful invader. In any semi-rational country, this character would be de-naturalized and deported within a matter of weeks, if not days. By tolerating this invective, heritage America hastens its own dispossession and displacement.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    What do you suggest be done?
  120. @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    Just because your christian school was a certain way doesn’t mean it was the case for all of them. What you faced at your school doesnt matter at all and its irrelevant.

    He could very well have been bullied. And why would his former classmates say anything? It would make them look bad.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    This guy is way worse than Dr Nagarwala. What she did doesn't affect the rest of us.


    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/20/us/female-genital-mutilation-case-charges-dropped/index.html

    Hmm…they might be Dawoodi Bohras

  122. @AnotherDad

    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.
     
    Well said.

    But actually *every* American's face. I'd like to have every American read this guy, then have the separation referendum. The referendum choices would be:

    A) I want to live in traditional Western Civilization America with closed borders.

    B) I want to live in diversitopia, LGBTQWERTY, open borders America with Suketa Metha.

    But Metha, despite his protestations, wants to live in Traditional Western Civilization America to suck it dry, until there are no more Whites to live around. Then his clan will move somewhere else, though never back to India.

  123. @L Woods

    The idea is: White Americans get to decide who is allowed to come in and what rules we are to follow. If you come here, don’t complain. Be grateful we took you in. “Go back” is a line that’s intended to put immigrants in our place — or rather, to remind us that our place in this country is contingent, that we are beholden to those who came here earlier.
     
    You’re goddamned right.

    If I dare say, it’s not just “White Americans”. But I do like how he labels people. And no… you cannot shit where ever you choose in this land.

  124. @Days of Broken Arrows
    You'd be miserable too if you had to deal with nasty-looking (and smelling) Indian woman day in and day out.

    This country needs to return to the pre-1965 policy of judging immigrant status based on how nice-looking the women of a specific country are. The Irish and Italians were laughing and whooping it up and their pubs and pizza joints with those hot redheads and brunettes. We need to get back to that kind of immigrant.

    90% of subcon women are unbearable, ugly and trashy. Horrible mentalities, annoying to be around. I stay wary of them. I just stick to whites or east asians. You’re spot on.

  125. @Mr. Anon
    Generally, I used to have a favorable opinion of Indians. But so many Indians are now laboring dilligently to disabuse me of that opinion.

    Generally, I used to have a favorable opinion of Indians. But so many Indians are now laboring diligently to disabuse me of that opinion.

    Agree and my agree button ran out. I have had business “engagements” with sub-con Asians and NE Asians. I vastly like and prefer the NE Asians and Koreans in America. And Koreans cannot invade America. Too Small a population. But the Chinese and so called Hindoos, elephant god worshipers can.

  126. @Major Tim
    So... because the English gave his country a hard time while building a significant portion of their almost non-existent infrastructure they enjoy to this day, this proud Indian ingrate is taking it to the United States, because there were English people there, along with many other folks from Caucasian country of origin... and that's enough for him.

    So now, will we have to watch Apu as Hamilton? Or is there only one terribly misguided and unintentionally comical appropriation of white identity allowed per historical figure? First come, first serve, maybe?

    Even with that constraint, I don't think the Indians are going to find white history an easy nut to appropriate...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWz9FzY-ChY&feature=youtu.be

    The myth of the infrastructure…. they built only a tiny trivial amount…its why India was a s******e after “liberation”. The majority were developed after

    • Replies: @Malla
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/India_railways1909a.jpg

    Railways British India 1909

    The first line of railway in India was finished in 1853. At the end of March, 1924, India had a total length of 38,039 miles of open system, which in 1925 carried over four and a half times as many passengers per mile of steel as did the railways of the United States.

    When America built her railways, she had not sufficient means to do so without borrowing. Consequently she borrowed from Europe, largely from Great Britain, about half the money that built her railway system, well content to pay what it cost in view of benefits expected from the opening of the country. These costs, in the normal course, continued until about 1914. When India built her railways, she also failed to find the money at home; yet in her case not because money was lacking, but because Indian baniya capitalists would lend only at huge rates of interest. Consequently India borrowed from her cheapest market, London, practically all the money that built her railways, paying from 2.5 to 5 per cent., with an average of 3.5 per cent, on the loans--the lowest rates that the world knew.

    Beyond the railheads ran the British-built network of good highroads, speeding motor traffic where bullock carts alone used to creep and wallow.

    Other practical uses of the railways, whether in equalization of prices, in opening of markets, or in development of trade with its consequent increase of individual prosperity and of Government revenues.

    The following figures as of the year 1925 are based on statistics contained in The Statesman's Year Book of 1926:


    Mileage open per 1,000 square miles of territory in
    British India - 21
    Argentina - 19
    USA - 88
    Canada - 15

    Number of passengers carried per mile of open railway
    British India - 15,834
    Argentina - 5,966
    USA - 3,550
    Canada - 814

    Tons of goods carried per mile of open railway
    British India - 2,785
    Argentina - 2042
    USA - 8,277
    Canada - 2,019

    Total value of imports and exports carried per mile of
    open railway
    British India - $56,929
    Argentina - $73,092
    USA - $33,116
    Canada - $35,647

    Sir Mark Cubbon and the development of the State of Mysore /Karnataka

    The Hindu Wodeyars were reinstated in Mysore throne by the British after the fall of Tipu Sultan followed by the British taking control again in 1831. Finally power was handed back to Wodeyar in 1881.

    But what happened between 1831 and 1881? The credit goes to this gifted longest serving commissioner, Sir Mark Cubbon, of Mysore state from 1834 (now Karnataka). This was when Mysore state started developing into a power house.

    1.He made Bangalore the capital. This is not the Bangalore you see today but imagine a run down village. Tremendous amount of development went in and Bangalore became a modern city.

    2.Construction of over one thousand miles of roads divided into four classes: Trunk, Main, Taluk and Village.

    3.Hundreds of dams

    4.Coffee production

    5.Improvements in the tax and revenue systems that made Mysore state super efficient and rich.

    6. Railways, Post and telegraph etc.
    ...

    Power was handed back to Chamaraja Wodeyar groomed as a child by the British in 1881. The British commissioners were based in the state and progress continued unabated. Wodeyar went on to do great things for Mysore state

    The glorious Cubbon Park (with statues of Mark Cubbon) and Cubbon road are dedicated to him in Bangalore for his outstanding contribution. The credit for development of Mysore state (now Karnataka) clearly goes to the British and Wodeyars. Unfortunately, carried away by nationalism, Tipu Sultan is the one remembered in India even though he was a tyrant and contributed nothing in comparison.

    Cubbon park has around 68 varieties and 96 species with about 6,000 plants. Indigenous species such as Jackfruit, Cassia fistula, Peepal, Ashoka and exotic species such as Araucaria, Bamboo, Castanospermum australe, Grevillea robusta, Milletia, Peltophorum Schinus molle, Mahagony, Tabebuia can be seen.

    For more information about the amazing development by Sir Mark Cubbon in the Mysore state refer the book "The administration of Mysore under Sir Mark Cubbon (1834-1861) - Kasi Nageswara Venkatasubba Sastri"

    Orissa state, Education and T E Ravenshaw

    Orissa came under British rule in 1803 neglected in Education by earlier rulers (Maratha and Mughals). Thomas Edward Ravenshaw who was the commissioner argued for modern schools in Orissa state.

    Welcome to Ravenshaw University
    Three colleges were named after him for his outstanding work.
    They were the Ravenshaw Collegiate School, the Ravenshaw Girls' School and the Ravenshaw College, which has now become a University. The point to note is that this honour was bestowed on Ravenshaw only after he completed his 12 year tenure in the state and left for another station, and this was done not at the behest of the government, but on account of the goodwill of the people of Orissa.

    Education received the maximum attention when this region came under British rule. Developments were done in cities of Cuttack and Bhubaneswar. The latter was redesigned by employing the services of Otto H. Königsberger.
    , @Malla
    British Indian Government also built the largest irrigation project in the World at that time in the Punjab. Larger than anything in the United States, Soviet Union or China at that time. Built between 1886 to 1940.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Canal_Colonies

    The Punjab Canal Colonies is the name given to parts of western Punjab which were brought under cultivation through the construction of canals and agricultural colonisation during the British Raj. Between 1885 and 1940, nine canal colonies were created in the inter-fluvial tracts east of the Beas and Sutlej and west of the Jhelum rivers. The Punjab underwent an agricultural revolution as arid subsistence production was replaced by the commercialised production of huge amounts of wheat, cotton and sugar.[1] In total, over one million Punjabis settled in the new colonies, relieving demographic pressures in central Punjab.[2]

    ...snip....

    In the 19th century, the vast majority of the population was settled in the fertile regions of central and eastern Punjab. In the western Punjab rainfall was too low for large scale agriculture and resulting in large tracts of barren land.[3] Most of this land had been assigned as Crown land and lay unused.[5] In the 1880s the Punjab administration of Charles Umpherston Aitchison began the process of engineering a vast irrigation scheme in the mostly uninhabited wastelands. The two stated motives for the project were:[6]

    To relieve the pressure of population upon the land in those districts of the Province where the agricultural population has already reached or is fast approaching the limit which the land available to agriculture can support and to colonise the area in question with well-to-do yeomen of the best class of agriculturists, who will cultivate their own holdings with the aid of their families and the usual menials, but as much as possible without the aid of tenants, and will constitute healthy agricultural communities of the best Punjab type.

    The government hoped to "create villages of a type superior in comfort and civilisation to anything which had previously existed in the Punjab",[7] which in turn would increase productivity.[8] This increased productivity would then boost revenues for the government. To finance this ambitious project, capital was raised through the sale of governmental bonds in Britain, offering investors the chance to benefit from the interest charges remitted by the provincial government.[9]

    ...snip....

    To improve the economic position and standard of living amongst Punjabi agriculturalists, the provincial government had passed a series of paternalist measures. The Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900 removed the zamindar's right to sell or mortgage his land without the approval of the district officer. These officers usually only approved a zamindar's request if he belonged to a tribe designated as an agricultural tribe by the government. The restrictions were designed to halt the flow of land outside of the agricultural community, and prevent further indebtedness towards moneylenders by curtailing cultivator's credit. Although the Act drew protests from the commercial tribes and money-lenders, they were unable to garner support from the cultivators whose interests had been protected. In the following years, encouraged by the lack of agitation further paternalist measures were introduced, such as the Punjab Pre-Emption Act which stated agriculturalists had first claim on any land sold by a villager.[4]

    ...snip....

    The Punjab, despite being only 9.7 per cent of the total area of British India, had by 1931 9,929,217 acres irrigated by canals colonies, the largest area in British India, and representing 46 per cent of the total land irrigated by canals. This was two and a half times greater than the Madras Presidency, second in this category.[55] The canal irrigated area in the Punjab increased from 3 million acres in 1885 to 14 million acres by the end of British rule in 1947.[56]

    The canal colonies acted as a primary industrialising agent in the Punjab. By 1921 the proportion of the population supported by agriculture was lesser in the colony districts relative to in the non-colony districts, because a significant population in the colony districts was engaged in industrial pursuits. For example, in Lyallpur alone 326 ginning factories emerged to serve her own cotton fields.[57] By converting barren land into productive agricultural land, the Punjabi government was able to increase export output and maximise revenue through taxes on the increased produce. The increased supply of produce in turn meant investment was needed in the road and rail network to transport the goods to market. The larger size of the holdings in the colonies, together with improvements to the transport infrastructure and other marketing facilities had a large positive impact on the settler's income.[58]

    Prior to the establishment of the colonies, many farmers in the Punjab were in debt to money-lenders. However, with the increased incomes in the colonies, the proportion of debt owed to traditional money-lenders was considerably less than in other non-colony areas.[57] Furthermore, by obtaining the grants at nominal prices, the settlers were able to enjoy the vast capital appreciation of their land as it grew increasingly productive. By the 1920s, thirty years after the establishment of the Chenab Colony, the average land price in Lyallpur was Rs. 1200 providing a capital gain of 9,900 percent.[59]

    A significant beneficiary of the colonisation was the city of Lyallpur, originally named after Sir James Broadwood Lyall who pioneered the Chenab colony. At the time of the British annexation in 1849 it was a barren wasteland, and by 1891 the region had a population density of mere 7 persons per square mile. It was characterised by nomadic tribes and notorious criminals, with the Sandal Bar area being named after the Chuhra bandit Sandal. By 1901, in just a decade, the population had reached 187 persons per square mile, was 301 in 1921 and 927 in 1998.[60] Lyallpur, renamed Faisalabad in the 1970s, is currently the third most prosperous city of Pakistan in terms of GDP per capita.[61]


    WHY IS DIS NOT TAUGHT IN INDIAN HISTORY BOOKS POST 1947? WHY DID THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SWEEP THIS FACT OUT OF HISTORY? PUNJAB IS ONE OF THE MOST DEVELOPED STATE IN INDIA AS FAR AS AGRICULTURE IS CONCERNED AND IT SEEMS THE BRITISH RAJ WERE PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BUT MOST INDIANS BELIEVE IT WAS A POST 1947 PHENOMENON.

    , @Malla
    1. Dams: The British built dams of remarkable technological feat. These have helped India in making more dams after independence. You can still see 'Made in England' signs on these dams built during the Empire days.

    2. Electricity: The first demonstation was done by PJ Fleury in 1879 during the colonial era. London controlled Kilburn and Co. till 1970. First hydroelectric installation was done in 1870 and the first electric train in 1925.

    3. Modern Bridges

    4. Canals and irrigation: 75000 miles of canals were constructed by the British Raj. Now that's something!

    5. Telecommunication (Telephone, Telegraph etc.): It was started in 1850 during the British Raj era.

    6. Postal System which reached every corner of India.

    , @Malla
    Have you being hearing lately from low IQ Hinduwadi crackpots about banning English and making Hindi compulsory. Well who created/developed the Hindi language?

    Introducing Adam Gilchrist, the noted British linguist
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilchrist_(linguist)

    https://d3d00swyhr67nd.cloudfront.net/w800h800/LDUCS/LDUCS_UCLAC_PC5631.jpg

    Adam Gilchrist: Father of both Hindi and Urdu.

    He is principally known for his study of the Hindustani language, which led to it being adopted as the lingua franca of northern India (including present-day Pakistan) by British colonists and indigenous people. He compiled and authored An English-Hindustani Dictionary, A Grammar of the Hindoostanee Language, The Oriental Linguist, and many more. His lexicon of Hindustani was published in Arabic script, Nāgarī script, and in Roman transliteration.

    ..snip….
    Under Gilchrist’s leadership, Fort William also became a centre for Urdu prose. The language they taught was meant for young British people to acquire a general practical knowledge for administrative purposes, and not for native speakers of the language. He gathered around him writers from all over India who were able to produce a simple Urdu style that was “intelligible to British officers and merchants who had no use for poetry”.[4] One of Gilchrist’s pupils was the missionary Henry Martyn, an Anglican priest and chaplain for the East India Company, who revised the Hindustani version of the New Testament and later translated it, together with the Book of Psalms and Book of Common Prayer, into Urdu and Persian. By the early nineteenth century, the Persian language was gradually replaced by Urdu as the vernacular to serve as the administrative language in a growing colonial bureaucracy.[13]

    In 1803, Gilchrist inducted other writers into the college, who helped make rapid strides in Hindi language and literature. Subsequently, a Hindi translation of the Bible appeared in 1818 and Udant Martand, the first Hindi newspaper, was published in 1826 in Calcutta.

    Scholars debate Gilchrist’s role in the distillation of Hindustani into the modern languages of Hindi and Urdu, but according to Gilchrist, the rise of the new prose tradition was also the “bifurcation of Khariboli into two forms – the Hindustani language with Khariboli as the root resulted in two languages (Hindi and Urdu), each with its own character and script.“[16] He not only discovered/invented the Hindustani language, but he was credited as a great patron of Urdu and indirectly the reinvigoration of Hindi. During his time at Fort William College, he encouraged the use of the purer form of Khariboli from which contemporary Hindi evolved. In the words of K.B. Jindal, author of A history of Hindi literature: “Hindi as we know it today is the product of the nineteenth century.[17]

    Another view was that of George Abraham Grierson, an Irish linguist and Civil servant, who said that the standard or pure Hindi which contemporary Indians use is “an artificial dialect the mother tongue of no native-born Indian, a newly invented speech, that wonderful hybrid known to Europeans as Hindi and invented by them.”

    BTW the word ‘Urdu’ comes from the Mongol/Mughal word for Tent ‘Ordo’.

    As far as Bengali is concerned

    The first Bengali dictionary was by a Portuguese priest. Vocabulario em Idioma Bengalla e Portuguez can be identified as the first one of this type. It had been compiled by Fr. Manoel da Assumpcam, a Portuguese priest, working in Dhaka region then. It comprises 602 pages in total and was published from the city of Lisbon in 1743 with Roman script.

    Father Manoel did not only compile his justly famous Vocabulario em idioma Bengalla e Portuguez which included a “Breve compendi da gramatica Bengala”, Bengali grammar, he started also a new style of writing, well known as prose style. Obviously, people in Bengal used to talk in prose, but it was not available in literature as norms had not yet been determined. Few letters and documents regarding business and property remained as the witnesses of the past. So, Father Manoel's two books published from Lisbon in 1743 were the first-ever prose writings also in book form. It was in Roman letters as Bengali letters were yet to be used in printing (1778). It was, therefore, a great achievement on both accounts.

    According to Dr. Muhammad Enamul Hoque “The Portuguese influence on the Bengali culture is extremely overwhelming and deep”

    The first Bengali dictionary with Bengali script was published from Kolkata in 1793. Its title is An Extensive Vocabulary, Bengalese and English and comprises of 445 pages. It is assumed that its compiler and publisher was Aaron Upjohn. However, for the first largest Bengali dictionary credit goes to Henry Pitts Forster. His dictionary is called A Vocabulary in Two Parts: English and Bongalee and Vice Versa. Its two volumes appeared in 1799 and 1802. Approximately 20,000 Bengali words with their English synonyms were included in it.

    One more dictionary of note is 'Dvibhasarthakabhidhan' by William Morton published in Calcutta, 1828.

    The first Bengali Sanskrit dictionary was "A Dictionary: Bengali and Sanskrit" by GC Houghton published Calcutta, 1833. Ironically one of the first, if not the first Bengali English dictionary was by a Bengali native "A Vocabulary: Bengali and English" by Mohanprosad Thakur published in Calcutta, 1805. So a Bengali gentleman/badralok published a Bengali English dictionary before a British gentleman published the first Bengali Sanskrit dictionary!!!!

  127. @PiltdownMan
    I knew an Indian guy at work in the 1980s, who confided in me that watching the move Woodstock in India when he was in college made him suddenly realize that he wanted to be over here, and not over there.

    As others have mentioned on iSteve occasionally, the old crowd of South Asian professional immigrants, from before the IT explosion, was a bit different. Suketu Mehta seems to be an exception, or perhaps he's decided to jump on the "woke" immigrant bandwagon, late in his career. I'm not sure what the upside to him is, though, as he appears to have tenure. Maybe he figured an in-your-face "brown immigrant power" attitude and book would sell well. His timing is near perfect, I must say.

    Bengali in prat forms.

  128. @Art Deco
    We can get along quite well without J-schools and the people who work in them, especially if their mendacious and have bad attitudes. Send him back.

    We can get along quite well without J-schools and the people who work in them…

    Amen.

    And they attract the mendacious with bad attitudes who like to spout their crap from a position of nominal authority.

  129. MG says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    The Trump DHS came out against the bill.

    https://twitter.com/JessicaV_CIS/status/1149038189816012801

    I hope you are right and Trump will veto any such bill. But I’m not so sure, given Trump’s fickleness and the ease he can be sweet-talked into signing garbage.

    Also, the fact that so many GOP cucks were willing to sign on to this should worry us.

    As an Indian immigrant (who came as a graduate student in engineering) immensely grateful to the USA for all the opportunities it has given me, I regard Mehta as a pile of excrement.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    Ah, the classic Indian bootlicker. You being nice to them won't stop them from spitting in your face later on and totally dehumanizing you. Stay on this forum a while. See what they say
  130. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    Indians and Jews have more things in common than people give credit for.

    1) Both of their countries start with the letter “I”
    2) Both are artificial countries created as a result of the aftermath of colonialism at about the same time (India in August 1947, Israel in May 1948). India own its existence to the British Raj in South Asia. Israel to the British mandate in Palestine.
    3) Both counties has invaded and grab land from every single of its neighbors since its creation.

    The biggest difference between the two people is their IQ. Average Ashkenazi IQ is between 107 – 115 whereas average Indian IQ is between 76 – 82. A thirty point difference.

  131. When you are in a hole, keep digging.

    Mehta’s arrogant, strident, entitled attitude rubs most people the wrong way.

    His claim of being “in love” with America is overwrought, contrived and nauseating.

    The guy just needs to GTFB to where he came from, and take all his 5 million co-ethnics with him. America will be a lot better off without them. And for that matter, without all the tech plantation owners, who all need to take their shit companies with them to India.

  132. @eah
    Most Whites don't expect immigrants to be "grateful" or, going further, to express 'gratitude': that's boomer cringe.

    Just don't pretentiously slander/malign us and our forebears -- also don't militantly advocate for the (further) demographic destruction/confiscation of our country, especially as some kind of 'just desserts' -- at the moment we'd settle for that.

    “Deal not accepted”

  133. @anonymous

    I don’t think that most immigrants — now or in the past — felt overwhelming gratitude to the nation which took them in
     
    Have any people from imperialist nations -- now or in the past -- ever felt overwhelming gratitude to the nations they plundered, which provided the fuel for their civilisational "success"?

    I think a lot of these were at best breaking even, possibly losing money overall, not “fueling civilisational success”. It probably made some individuals rich, though. Kind of like this whole free trade scam, really.

  134. I propose new courts of law. Prof. Mehta will be dragged in front of a jury in the new court and punished for every criminal act committed by any of his ancestors. Just the fact that he belongs to a privileged Hindu caste means he is guilty of crimes of theft and violence against lower castes. Put him in the midst of a crowd of untouchable men and tell them to extract justice for crimes against their ancestors. There are more scores to be settled intraracially than interracially. What Mehta wants are the courts of white men that will preserve his tenured privilege. What he will get is the sword once western justice is swept away.

  135. @istevefan

    I don’t understand why blacks aren’t angry about the appropriation ...
     
    What about American Indians? We are forever told Europeans stole their land. But Mehta and company are the ones filing the claims. How does handing over the USA to them help recompense American Indians?

    And if you are aware something is stolen, you are not allowed to take possession of it. And we sure as hell know Mehta and company know this is stolen land. They remind us of it daily.

    Are South Asians less adept at constructing logical syllogisms? Serious question. They seem to have very binary thinking.

  136. Probably the USA is responsible for Russian backwardness too.

    If the sanctions continue, that might become a plausible argument

  137. @Hibernian
    He needs to get back to where he once belonged.

    He needs to get back to where he once belonged.

    Get back, Suketu!

  138. @El Dato
    Talking of Methas,

    What's up with

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaira_Mehta

    A "10 year old CEO who teaches kids how to code AI algorithms" (In fricking Java? Why you make me cry. Samaira?)

    Unless she is the transed bastard reincarnation of Newton and Jobs, pigs shall fly at TED conferences.

    This seems to "CEO coding girl" counterpart of "Green Deal Or Apocalypse" Greta.

    This seems to “CEO coding girl” counterpart of “Green Deal Or Apocalypse” Greta.

    Just a more sophisticated version of Clock Boy.

  139. “For some reason, you didn’t have enough room in your book to mention the race of your multiple muggers.”

    Maybe he didnt want to give people the wrong idea about Scandanavians.

  140. @Altai
    To be honest I've seen this attitude in immigrants from lots of Western and Northern European countries, even Sweden. Immigrants are kind of like tourists, above a certain threshold they're social pollution. They'll never admit that even for their own benefit they should be regulated and restricted. But tourists will.

    Remember our elderly Dutch commenter? I forget his name. When he and his wife retired they bought an RV and spent a year touring the United States. He made many comments about his observations of the US. All we Americans he encountered were uneducated rubes. We had no health care, every European cliche about how dumb and in unenlightened we are.

    The curry socialist of Seattle Sawant, came on a spousal H1-B Microsoft visa now she wants the US to be ruled by BLM.

    Thanks Bill Gates. Thousands of experienced excellent programmers systems designers project managers etc in the US and you had to important Sawant and his anti American wife?

    I noticed Mehta’s parents didn’t even think of sending him to a NYC public school with the black and PR savages. Now he, Sawant and the other Hindus and Muslims want to lead the blacks and browns against us Whites.

    Well, they’ll have to overthrow the Jewish chieftains of the black Asian and brown army against the Whites first.

  141. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    Just the first half is a unhinged screed? I couldn’t read anymore, that dude is a little ball of hate.

  142. I suspect that what really drives Mehta crazy is that Americans don’t recognize or care about his caste.

    To an American ( To be clear, Mr Mehta is not American, even if he lives here for the rest of his life), Mehta looks like a cabdriver or the guys working at the camera shops in midtown or the guys selling shmatas out in Jackson Heights.

    To an American man, Mehta might as well be a Dalit. And to an American woman, he might as well be invisible. Especially the campus coeds. That’s gotta hurt.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    They guy's 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier. And he looks like an ordinary middle-aged bourgeois.
    , @William Badwhite
    I once worked with an Indian guy (actually with several over the years) and he was the most pompous, scheming, hyper-political asshole you can imagine. One day he was babbling on to me how he came from the "warrior" caste. I explained to him that in the American caste system, the lowest class white was one rung above the highest caste Indian. He was astounded and didn't talk to me (more accurately, talk AT me) for about a month. I half expected trouble with HR but nothing ever happened.
  143. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Power abhors a vacuum. So, Russians took Siberia, and Anglos took America and Australia.

    But ‘vacuum’ is relative. To Indians in crowded India, US and Canada and Australia are vast empty spaces to fill.

  144. After all, Rep. Tlaib practices a religion, Islam, that has no countries of its own, so of course Muslims must migrate to their Great Oppressor.

    Irrelevant. Suketu (LOL what a name) is absolutely right. There could be a bazillion countries, but it wouldn’t matter, because she was forced to leave from her OWN ONE.

    Actually, stay consistent with that. Christianity has plenty of countries. White christians can go to Nigeria then. or the English can go f*** off to estonia.

    Really quite simple. She was forced to flee because of the US. Now she’s in the US.

  145. @Thulean Friend
    They're not going to be replace, they will complement Jews. See the Gupta family in South Africa. They were demonising 'White monopoly capital' all the time through their controlled press but never touched jews. And jews, of course, never came to the aid of Whites. As usual. Because jews don't fundamentally identify as White, except when to attack Whites, then jews temporarily become White.

    Mehta is a great warning to those who believe in 'IQ nationalism' and 'skilled immigration'. Tribalism matters, no matter the IQ level.

    Oh boohoo muh white oppression. Whites were oppressing blacks, ‘coloureds’, malays, indians and other before apartheid ended. The dehumanizing signs and posters and the torture, and the beatings. BOO flipping hoo

  146. how are they much different than the irish? indians are not that political on average, but all of the political indians are democrats. they more like old line irish ethnic politic democrats, rather than far leftists, but they are democrats part of the krazy glue alliance nevertheless.

    the US already made the mistake of letting in 5 million irish people who had hundreds of years of reasons to dislike America. looks like it is going to repeat the same mistake with 1 billion indians.

  147. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    When the cons see immigration, they see new masters.

    When the libs see immigration, they see new servants.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Not quite.

    When the guys with big bucks see immigrants, they see cheap labor.
  148. @MG
    I hope you are right and Trump will veto any such bill. But I’m not so sure, given Trump’s fickleness and the ease he can be sweet-talked into signing garbage.

    Also, the fact that so many GOP cucks were willing to sign on to this should worry us.

    As an Indian immigrant (who came as a graduate student in engineering) immensely grateful to the USA for all the opportunities it has given me, I regard Mehta as a pile of excrement.

    Ah, the classic Indian bootlicker. You being nice to them won’t stop them from spitting in your face later on and totally dehumanizing you. Stay on this forum a while. See what they say

  149. I am an uppity immigrant. I am entitled to be here. Deal with it.

    If only anything we asserted became true, then the world would be full of Kings.

    In general, children stop anointing themselves before the age of ten.

  150. Anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tipsy
    People who are tribally oriented are rarely grateful, likely due due their diminished capacity for altruism.

    People who are tribally oriented are rarely grateful, likely due due their diminished capacity for altruism.

    What on Earth does altruism have to do with chess or politics?

    No sophisticated person would expect immigrant group’s to be grateful past the point that they sensed power.

    The gratitude is a useless scam meant to pacify majority adults who would otherwise stay sharper as to the threat of growing NAM minority groups.

    I say good riddance to the gratitude. Lets conduct this conflict on the open ground on which it deserves to be fought, recruiting people for it now instead of later.

  151. @Bruno
    Probably same as Jews.

    If you are a successful minority in a foreign population, thanks to traits like higher IQ and ethnic interest orientation with a predatory touch (super-cast), then,

    you should favour multi-cultural society in the host population because it diminishes the transplant rejection probability by rending your super-cast less visible and the ethnic orientation of the host population illegitimate.

    So intelligent India while being extremely ebdogzmous have the same stances than Jewish people in their USA ascension moment.

    The jews though were always extrzmelly appreciative with the host at the beginning of their settlement (Greek, Rome, Germany, Russia etc) and then extremely critical until their expulsion. They had never been an objective to make the host country multi cultural. The Indian have adopted the Jewish stance probably by pure mimickery and because it serves their interest best.

    The hypocrisy is obvious in the practice of the super-cast. Endogamy. Ginsburg, positive discrimination and her clerks ethnicity (1 black out of 150, around two third of jews) is a perfect example of the duplicity.

    If you are a successful minority in a foreign population, thanks to traits like higher IQ and ethnic interest orientation with a predatory touch (super-cast), then, you should favour multi-cultural society in the host population because it diminishes the transplant rejection probability by rending your super-cast less visible and the ethnic orientation of the host population illegitimate.

    Extremely well said Bruno. “Transplant rejection probability”–great metaphor.

    For some reason–intense propaganda?–some people have difficulty understanding–or believing/admitting–that Jews have pushed minoritarianism and the balkanization of the American nation so hard … because it’s in their interest as a high achieving, endogamous outgroup. Something that to me seems pretty obvious–game theory 101.

    Basically a balkanized non-nation is much more penetrable than a real nation. (A slut, versus a virtuous girl with strong morals.) And in the balkanized non-nation the host population finds it much more difficult to organize coherently to resist.

    This is basically where we are at in American in 2019. Even though more immigration/balkanization will push whites–into being a minority in the nation their ancestors built … they no longer have demographic weight or unity to stop it. The Jews have won. They’ve balkanized and hence destroyed America. Addled by their propaganda, we were too stupid, polite, mild-mannered, complacent to stop them. (Whether we can achieve separation or will have a race war or get biocided by China or just fade into Brazil like mediocrity … hard to say. But this joint isn’t America anymore.)

    Anyway your “transplant rejection” metaphor is a good one. Hopefully it will help a few more people understand why an endogamous middle-man minority–especially one historically hostile to the nation’s host population like the Jews–pushes minoritarianism, balkanization, national-destruction so fervently.

    • Agree: Cowboy shaw
  152. @Ripple Earthdevil
    OT:

    Hate hoax du jour:

    Apparent Bay Point hate crime was likely staged, authorities say

    Cpt. Melissa Klawuhn, of the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office, said authorities are not considering the vandalism a hate crime at this point in the investigation because Brown, who is also black, has "personal ties" to one of the victims.

    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/08/02/bay-point-black-families-homes-hit-with-graffiti-was-made-to-appear-as-a-hate-crime-sheriffs-office-says/

    Bay Point is part of a stretch of vibrancy along Hwy 4 in the hot, dry far East Bay about 28 miles from downtown Oakland and the end of one of the main BART lines.

    Why can’t a crime be a “hate crime” if the perp hates the victim? I mean, if you hate someone and want to get even, then committing a crime against them makes cosmic sense.

  153. @songbird
    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness on the issue of mass migration.

    I can't decide the reason. Is it that they think that their country has a sustainable positive population pressure, which effectively blocks all danger of immigration, while always helping Indians to colonize other lands?

    Or else some psychological side effect of the caste system - is this how they treat Dalits? Aggressive brow-beating to put them in their place, and prevent revolution.

    Or is it some deep sense of inadequacy, which East Asians don't seem to have, because of their more obvious successes?

    Indians have an almost unique level of obnoxiousness.

    Well said.

  154. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    My personal experience–lots of friends, family, co-workers, neighbors–who are Indian, they are all over the map. A few assholes, ready to tell you we are so privileged to have them here. A few who get it, realize they came here for a better deal and want to preserve that for their kids. Most just going with the flow, without a whole lot of thought.

    The Jews–the Ashkenazi–have a very long history of being in direct contention with white Christian gentiles and developed a very chippy, hostile, contemptuous attitude toward them. (Heck a whole elaborate religious ideology of outgroup hostility.) We gentiles are here to work to provide an economy they can exploit. Now, three generations in, in an America that has been exceptionally gracious, and with a lot of breakdown in Jewish belief and practice and lots of intermarriage, you get the odd Steven Miller patriot, but still get incredible anti-gentile (esp. flyover country peasantry) hostility, now even more openly expressed on the pages of our major media.

    The Indians have their caste groups. So they have a strong endogamous tradition as well. However, most are aware–just common sense–that those caste identities/divisions are not something likely to be maintained when they choose to come to the West. They do have pride in their “Indianess” as a great civilization and for some that comes with attitude and distance. But while there is the colonial chip-on-the-shoulder thing from the embarassment of being colonized by the Brits, while thinking their culture is superior–something that this Metha turd has in spades–Indians generally don’t have a lot of direct well crafted white hostility, especially directed at Americans.

    So with Indians you do get the religious difference–disdain for Christianity, particularly i think the evangelical “Jesus loves me!” stuff (the more staid traditional observance like Catholicism is more in line with their tradition). But you don’t have the same fully developed, religiously inspired, tribalism and hostility to white gentiles that you get from the Jews. Indians simply haven’t been middle-manning and in contention with white gentiles for 1000 years.

  155. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I suspect that what really drives Mehta crazy is that Americans don't recognize or care about his caste.

    To an American ( To be clear, Mr Mehta is not American, even if he lives here for the rest of his life), Mehta looks like a cabdriver or the guys working at the camera shops in midtown or the guys selling shmatas out in Jackson Heights.

    To an American man, Mehta might as well be a Dalit. And to an American woman, he might as well be invisible. Especially the campus coeds. That's gotta hurt.

    They guy’s 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier. And he looks like an ordinary middle-aged bourgeois.

    • Replies: @peterike

    They guy’s 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier.
     
    Dude, a good looking 56 year old Professor can score a co-ed every day of the week. The campus is full of sluts. Haven't you heard? They brag about it these days.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    With scant doubt there are multiple 56 year old bourgeois professors banging coeds this very day. Not even counting the lady profs.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    He looks like an upper caste male from the Asian subcontinent, which is what this is all coming down to, not the particular free-floating Proposition one may have in one's head.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Maybe, maybe not.

    I quit teaching college when I was 40. There were still co-eds interested in me even though I was married. And that was in the sciences.

    I knew plenty of cases in which professors in softer fields were screwing ladies in their late teens or twenties after the age of 50. I knew a human sexuality professor who was shacked up with a young lady 30 years his junior. She was hot.
  156. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I suspect that what really drives Mehta crazy is that Americans don't recognize or care about his caste.

    To an American ( To be clear, Mr Mehta is not American, even if he lives here for the rest of his life), Mehta looks like a cabdriver or the guys working at the camera shops in midtown or the guys selling shmatas out in Jackson Heights.

    To an American man, Mehta might as well be a Dalit. And to an American woman, he might as well be invisible. Especially the campus coeds. That's gotta hurt.

    I once worked with an Indian guy (actually with several over the years) and he was the most pompous, scheming, hyper-political asshole you can imagine. One day he was babbling on to me how he came from the “warrior” caste. I explained to him that in the American caste system, the lowest class white was one rung above the highest caste Indian. He was astounded and didn’t talk to me (more accurately, talk AT me) for about a month. I half expected trouble with HR but nothing ever happened.

    • LOL: BB753
  157. @Days of Broken Arrows
    You'd be miserable too if you had to deal with nasty-looking (and smelling) Indian woman day in and day out.

    This country needs to return to the pre-1965 policy of judging immigrant status based on how nice-looking the women of a specific country are. The Irish and Italians were laughing and whooping it up and their pubs and pizza joints with those hot redheads and brunettes. We need to get back to that kind of immigrant.

    The Achmed E. Newman doctrine.

  158. @nebulafox
    Replacing the Jews with the South Asians as the Cultural Left's intellectual enforcers is going to prove to be a really dumb move. Not only they aren't as subtle and have a tendency to brag about their chickens before they are hatched, they are far more likely to elicit a hostile "middleman minority" reaction from the Great Unwashed by dint of their visible foreignness (darker skin color, non-Abrahamic religion, etc) and their more openly hostile attitude. White gentile Americans have a remarkably favorable view toward Jews, unparalleled anywhere else in history in a nation with a non-trivial Jewish minority. The Indians have no such protection.

    Thankfully, even three years into TDS, the Washington Post's comment section isn't unambiguously positive toward Mehta, especially the first half of the article which boils down to an unhinged screed.

    Beyond the Indians vs. Jews specifics, i think the general take home is that:

    high IQ immigrants can actually be more toxic to your nation.

    It’s all about endogamy and integration. If those high IQ immigrants readily adapt your culture, readily intermarry and think of themselves as part of your nation, then on simply eugenic grounds they are better than getting low IQ ones who make you dumber and less competitive.

    But if those high IQ immigrants are endogamous or at all hostile to your people and culture, then they are actually *much worseI* than living with low IQ group because they worm their way into your institutions and subvert your nation from the top down. Nothing is worse than losing executive function.

    Look at the history of the US: The white American gentiles were always dragging along a black population of somewhere between 10-20% of the US population, and yet by the end of the 19th century had become the richest and most powerful nation in the world with the highest standard of living. When i was born the US was at the apex of its power and with historically unprecendented opportunity and standard of living for the working man and blue skies and bright horizons … even with dragging along its 10% blacks. Yet, in a mere 50 years since the Jewish ascendency with their minoritarian ideology–even in the midst of great technological progress–no one thinks the American future is bright. We are absolutely balkanized, have a public ideology containing a raft of the stupidest ideas (lies) mankind has ever heard, are unable to do even the most basic job of preventing invasion, face a future of endless ethnic grievance and contention … and all sense we are nation in decline. That turnaround from a gleaming bright to a hidieous future took a mere 50 years of letting a high IQ, but hostile group at the levers of power and influence.

    High IQ immigrants that are compatible and readily integrate … not a big issue. High IQ immigrants that endogamous or culturally hostile–a ticket to destruction and death.

    • Replies: @Malla

    high IQ immigrants can actually be more toxic to your nation.
     
    Very true, Jews have been much more toxic than Gypsies to Europeans. At most the Gypsy will cheat you, steal some kids, play some low level swindling operations, dirty up a place etc... Jews who are basically Gypsies with High IQ have done much more damage.
  159. @Counterinsurgency

    I am an uppity immigrant. Don’t expect me to be ‘grateful.’
     
    Expect you to be grateful? Certainly not. I don't even expect you to be here.

    Counterinsurgency

    “Do you expect me to be grateful?

    “No, Mr. Mehta I expect you die.”

  160. “One reviewer on Amazon called for me to be ‘skinned alive’ and to go back to my ‘turd-world country.’ ”

    I had too many beers that night.

    “The idea is: White Americans get to decide who is allowed to come in and what rules we are to follow.”

    Yes, good idea.

    “It’s all about the cousins.”

    And the children they sire with their cousins.

  161. @Anonymous
    White Americans let chutzpahstic Jews, uppity blacks, and flaming homos set the template for the New American Attitude(even to the point of letting homos plant victory flags in Christian churches). When whites surrendered their nation to those three groups as the authoritative definers of New Americanism, it is hardly surprising to see Newcomers emulating the Three than being thankful to Standard America founded and built by whites. People follow winners, not losers. Whites willfully lost to Jews, blacks, and homos. Therefore, non-whites immigrants see Jews, blacks, and homos as the new lords while seeing whites as pathetic cucks or 'white trash racists'.
    We also need to ask, "Who controls the media to allow people like Suketu to spew their filth?" It ain't Hindus and it ain't Eskimos who control the media. Suketu is small potatoes who is enabled by the Global Cabal.

    If whites had stood tall, people like Sucketu would come to America and bow at the feet of whites with awe and respect.

    But whites groveled before Jews, blacks, and homos and allowed themselves to be kicked and pummeled... and so, newcomers just join in the game of Kick the Whitey. But the non-white immigrants didn't start the game. They are joining in an ongoing process that's been around for some time. And it really began when whites gave up their moral authority to Jews, blacks, and homos and submitted themselves to any amount of abuse from them.

    Right

  162. I take my place in America — an imperfect place — and I make it my own; there’s a Constitution that protects my right to do so.

    Ah, yes, the all-important Zeroth Amendment. I’d almost forgotten.

  163. This goober just admitted that he thinks Palestinian born “Americans” like Tlaib cannot be expected to put the best interests of America before their ancestral feuds. How can WashPo allow such hate speech?

  164. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Blacks think they will be dragomans for the new majority of minorities, and recognized as senior members of the fringe with attendant share of the spoils.

    It happened in the New York City Council: the BLA caucus eventually became the majority of Council members, but they got nothing. An FALN militant Speaker followed by an HIV+ quarter Korean shill for the real estate industry. The blegs still don't understand why it's looking like they'll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor.

    ” The blegs still don’t understand why it’s looking like they’ll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor.”

    Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots. Jews I knew who were living in NYC at the time referred to that as a “pogrom” which is not too much of an exaggeration. The older folks were afraid to go out, thinking they might encounter acolytes of the Reverend Al.

    • Replies: @A Commenter
    which is not too much of an exaggeration.

    Two points about that:

    a. the 'pogram' was the result of a man from the already nasty hostile hassdici community hitting a black kid with a car. The jewish only ambulance whisked him away and left the girl to die.
    b. a few years ago the Village voice had a blunt article about 'how al sharpton became kosher' - wealthy jews came to him and said, yeah, great with the anti white stuff, just knock of the anti semitism and we'll give you access to the media, etc...
    , @Oscar Peterson

    "Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots."

     

    Oh, did he? I thought Dinkins was bereft of any accomplishment whatsoever. But apparently he had at least one achievement of note to his credit.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Dinkins' main man on the scene was the 'rumpled genius,' the late Bill Lynch. Bill de Blasio was working for Lynch at the time of the Crown Heights Riots. No wonder it was such a shitshow.
  165. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    That may be why Sukhetu Mehta does not reveal which school he went to.

  166. For a long time hostile Jews had a hard time finding minority groups that hated White Christians as much of them.. Orientals for example, are fond of Christmas trees and don’t want to ban them…

    Indians, in recent years, as Isteve commenters have noted, have been filling that niche.. there seems to be some incredible raging hateful hostility I have only previously seen in Askanazi Jews – yeah there are one off Koreans like Sarah Jeung, but the emerging Indian SJW warrior caste seems to tapping into something in the culture.

    With Indian women, I am pretty sure it’s nearly 100% Becky jealousy.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Indians have something like the Semitic self-definition through hatred of everybody else, or they got it from Muslim domination.
    , @jbwilson24
    "With Indian women, I am pretty sure it’s nearly 100% Becky jealousy."

    It's simple. Indians prize light skin tones and a lack of body hair. Indian men will happily jettison Indian women for a white or east asian woman. Dating darker skinned people is frowned upon in India, to a much greater extent than you see in places like Peru or Ecuador, where lighter skin is favored.

    Plus with the prevailing standard of beauty in the west, they face the same problem as Jews: particularly ugly noses.

    I was just a conference where I met a 23 year old Indian woman from Seattle who had a side profile like a goblin from Lord of the Rings. She gave Jews a run for their money in the ugly category.
  167. @Diversity Heretic
    This article is a cry of triumph from a successful invader. In any semi-rational country, this character would be de-naturalized and deported within a matter of weeks, if not days. By tolerating this invective, heritage America hastens its own dispossession and displacement.

    What do you suggest be done?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Personally, I'm emigrating next year. If I had to stay behind, I'd try to find a small cohesive community in which I could fit in and try to prepare for the bad times ahead.
  168. @William Badwhite
    What do you suggest be done?

    Personally, I’m emigrating next year. If I had to stay behind, I’d try to find a small cohesive community in which I could fit in and try to prepare for the bad times ahead.

  169. @Tipsy
    People who are tribally oriented are rarely grateful, likely due due their diminished capacity for altruism.

    I think you’re on to something there. If the tribally-oriented put allegiance to their own before those without their tribe, then it ought to follow that what little concern there may be for the welfare of anyone seen as an outsider shrinks.

    Regardless, this Malcontent Mehta ought to be given the bum’s rush, post haste.

    Are we really so impotent that those in a position to fire this guy and/or deport him will not do so?

    If not, then this is why we are losing.

  170. @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    Oh! Would that Mehta the Malcontent did name names!

    My guess is that he’s smart enough to know that the instant he did that he would give those whose reputations he slandered grounds to sue.

    But you’re right. There ought to be a loud clamors and bleats for and until Mehta give specifics. And names, names, names!

  171. @anonymous
    " The blegs still don’t understand why it’s looking like they’ll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor."

    Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots. Jews I knew who were living in NYC at the time referred to that as a "pogrom" which is not too much of an exaggeration. The older folks were afraid to go out, thinking they might encounter acolytes of the Reverend Al.

    which is not too much of an exaggeration.

    Two points about that:

    a. the ‘pogram’ was the result of a man from the already nasty hostile hassdici community hitting a black kid with a car. The jewish only ambulance whisked him away and left the girl to die.
    b. a few years ago the Village voice had a blunt article about ‘how al sharpton became kosher’ – wealthy jews came to him and said, yeah, great with the anti white stuff, just knock of the anti semitism and we’ll give you access to the media, etc…

  172. @El Dato
    These stories are not to be taken literally.

    They *could* be true. That's enough. They are Just So stories to illustrate Badness.

    He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.
     
    In a sense, this happened to me too. But not *quite* like that. Still got a broken tooth from it and had to sit at the back of the church during mass. Confessional was easy as the priest didn't really want to hear anything and gave me default absolution.

    El Dato, would you expand on that? Didn’t quite get it. Thanks.

  173. To this I say: No, we are not. I take my place in America — an imperfect place — and I make it my own; there’s a Constitution that protects my right to do so.

    IOW, third world immigration is an invasion and “making it their own” means walling themselves off in ethnic enclaves and recreating the shithole nations whence they fled on American territory.

  174. @Art Deco
    They guy's 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier. And he looks like an ordinary middle-aged bourgeois.

    They guy’s 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier.

    Dude, a good looking 56 year old Professor can score a co-ed every day of the week. The campus is full of sluts. Haven’t you heard? They brag about it these days.

  175. @Altai
    I've posted this before but I think it illustrates human nature better since Japan is a much clearer canvas for this phenomena.

    There is a whole youtube channel dedicated to interviewing black (Mostly African-American) people living in Japan.

    Here is one interesting interview that typifies the American subjects general attitude. Skipped to the start of his deeply immigripe view via-a-vis the self-determination of and ownership of the Japanese people wrt to Japan.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb1Zyb2FBA&t=1m17s

    What I like most about Japan is the fact that it has potential. *Gets shifty eyes like Krugman* Japan is a very homogeneous place and because of that some people may be discouraged to even come here because they’re stuck in old ways, but at the same time there are a lot of people here who want to learn and want to change. The Olympics are coming up, so that means more and more foreigners are coming here. So that is an opportunity for a lot of Japanese people to learn something new, so it has a lot of potential. *Laughs at how stupid that sentence is but is seemingly unaware of his own cultural ignorance and American-centric thinking*
     
    Potential (read: more foreigners so I don’t have to adapt to the natives)
    Strange, when Tokyo last hosted the Olympics Japan didn’t feel the need to turn into Brazil. I love his shifty eyes on the street because he knows instinctively that he is asking for society to be remade to soothe his neuroses as a foreigner at the expense of a Japanese society that never asked him to come or has any need of him. He knows Japan living up just fine to it’s actual potential. Does anyone but foreign immigrants to Japan want it to stop being Japan? Same with regards Sweden, Ireland, France, Germany etc.

    Of course the most insane video comes from a very overweight woman who seems deeply psychologically hurt. Just listen to how she says ‘homogeneous society’ in such a passive-aggressive tone. She can barely contain her rage and sadness. The whole video is an exercise in Sailer’s first law of female journalism but I time skipped to her rant about Japan needing ‘more diverse bodies’. Japan just needs more obese people, needs.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYUIGl7I9c

    I would hope that people would get used to more diverse bodies. There needs to be more bodies in this country! Umm, beyond race and gender, I mean like sizes! That is something that really needs to change. So I’m hoping in the future that becomes a different scenario.
     
    “That is something that really needs to change.” Needs to change for whom? I like how she doesn’t see a way for Japanese people to simply be more polite to overweight people outside more people becoming obese, a bit like immigrants with a chip on their shoulder needing more foreigners to feel 'safe'.

    Blacks find out how much they’re really loved by non-blacks when they leave the cucky West.

  176. @A Commenter
    For a long time hostile Jews had a hard time finding minority groups that hated White Christians as much of them.. Orientals for example, are fond of Christmas trees and don't want to ban them...

    Indians, in recent years, as Isteve commenters have noted, have been filling that niche.. there seems to be some incredible raging hateful hostility I have only previously seen in Askanazi Jews - yeah there are one off Koreans like Sarah Jeung, but the emerging Indian SJW warrior caste seems to tapping into something in the culture.

    With Indian women, I am pretty sure it's nearly 100% Becky jealousy.

    Indians have something like the Semitic self-definition through hatred of everybody else, or they got it from Muslim domination.

    • Replies: @HerMajesty
    You are off by a loooong shot. For God's sake these are hindus we are talking about here. Ground zero of the 5000 year old vicious caste system. The very system is based on an ingroup-outgroup mentality. With so many subgroups within and without castes competing for ascendancy, the hatred part comes naturally to them
  177. @Astorian
    One story that Sukhetu Mehta tells over and over again strikes me as bogus, and bears some checking.He loves to tell people that he went to a Catholic high school where bigoted teachers called him a pagan and he was constantly beaten up and pushed down stairs.

    Color me skeptical. As a Catholic boy from Queens who went to high school in the 1970s, I know that Catholic schools had long since embraced relativism and ecumenism by the time Mehta's family arrived. My Theology teachers insisted that all religions are equal, and that God wants us all to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya." There is practically no chance that any teacher at a New York Catholic high school at that time would have disrespected a Hindu student.

    Nor do I think there is any chance racist white students could have pushed an Indian kid downstairs without serious consequences. No Catholic high school principal in New York would have tolerated such behavior in the Seventies.

    So let's get the details. What school did he attend? What do his classmates say? if the principal is still alive, what does he say? Was Mehta really an innocent victim of racist white kids, or is he full of crap yet again?

    There is no reason to believe the Story. None at all.

  178. Trump should fund a Dalit revolution against the Brahmins. And deport this Mehta guy.

  179. @El Dato
    Talking of Methas,

    What's up with

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaira_Mehta

    A "10 year old CEO who teaches kids how to code AI algorithms" (In fricking Java? Why you make me cry. Samaira?)

    Unless she is the transed bastard reincarnation of Newton and Jobs, pigs shall fly at TED conferences.

    This seems to "CEO coding girl" counterpart of "Green Deal Or Apocalypse" Greta.

    Just curious, but what language would you have preferred?

    As for myself, I haven’t coded in Java since either 2000 or 2001.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Smalltalk, a true OO language. www.pharo.org.
  180. @anonymous
    " The blegs still don’t understand why it’s looking like they’ll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor."

    Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots. Jews I knew who were living in NYC at the time referred to that as a "pogrom" which is not too much of an exaggeration. The older folks were afraid to go out, thinking they might encounter acolytes of the Reverend Al.

    “Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots.”

    Oh, did he? I thought Dinkins was bereft of any accomplishment whatsoever. But apparently he had at least one achievement of note to his credit.

  181. “But while there is the colonial chip-on-the-shoulder thing from the embarassment of being colonized by the Brits”

    Just the Brits? Two men in a rowboat could conquer India. The Macedonians, etc etc. India has been invaded many times, and it is not clear that the British were the worst of the bunch. Particularly not if the 80 million figure given for Hindu deaths under Muslim rule are correct.

    Indians in the west do anything they can to avoid mentioning what they think of black people. A Sikh guy in Huffo Canada was actually honest about it and they tried to shush him up quickly.

  182. @A Commenter
    For a long time hostile Jews had a hard time finding minority groups that hated White Christians as much of them.. Orientals for example, are fond of Christmas trees and don't want to ban them...

    Indians, in recent years, as Isteve commenters have noted, have been filling that niche.. there seems to be some incredible raging hateful hostility I have only previously seen in Askanazi Jews - yeah there are one off Koreans like Sarah Jeung, but the emerging Indian SJW warrior caste seems to tapping into something in the culture.

    With Indian women, I am pretty sure it's nearly 100% Becky jealousy.

    “With Indian women, I am pretty sure it’s nearly 100% Becky jealousy.”

    It’s simple. Indians prize light skin tones and a lack of body hair. Indian men will happily jettison Indian women for a white or east asian woman. Dating darker skinned people is frowned upon in India, to a much greater extent than you see in places like Peru or Ecuador, where lighter skin is favored.

    Plus with the prevailing standard of beauty in the west, they face the same problem as Jews: particularly ugly noses.

    I was just a conference where I met a 23 year old Indian woman from Seattle who had a side profile like a goblin from Lord of the Rings. She gave Jews a run for their money in the ugly category.

  183. @Major Tim
    So... because the English gave his country a hard time while building a significant portion of their almost non-existent infrastructure they enjoy to this day, this proud Indian ingrate is taking it to the United States, because there were English people there, along with many other folks from Caucasian country of origin... and that's enough for him.

    So now, will we have to watch Apu as Hamilton? Or is there only one terribly misguided and unintentionally comical appropriation of white identity allowed per historical figure? First come, first serve, maybe?

    Even with that constraint, I don't think the Indians are going to find white history an easy nut to appropriate...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWz9FzY-ChY&feature=youtu.be

    Well, Goodness, gracious, me. I blame Peter Sellers.

  184. … I claim the right to reside here by manifest destiny, for myself, my cousins and uncles and children.

    It’s all about cousins.

    How else will he find someone to marry to perpetuate the hate?

  185. @J.Ross
    Indians have something like the Semitic self-definition through hatred of everybody else, or they got it from Muslim domination.

    You are off by a loooong shot. For God’s sake these are hindus we are talking about here. Ground zero of the 5000 year old vicious caste system. The very system is based on an ingroup-outgroup mentality. With so many subgroups within and without castes competing for ascendancy, the hatred part comes naturally to them

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    But there's an interethnic element too, because they're not all Hindu, and not all same-caste Hindus get along. In fact India introduces a multiplier because of its size. It has megaclans that are on their way to becoming ethnies.
  186. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    White Americans let chutzpahstic Jews, uppity blacks, and flaming homos set the template for the New American Attitude(even to the point of letting homos plant victory flags in Christian churches). When whites surrendered their nation to those three groups as the authoritative definers of New Americanism, it is hardly surprising to see Newcomers emulating the Three than being thankful to Standard America founded and built by whites. People follow winners, not losers. Whites willfully lost to Jews, blacks, and homos. Therefore, non-whites immigrants see Jews, blacks, and homos as the new lords while seeing whites as pathetic cucks or 'white trash racists'.
    We also need to ask, "Who controls the media to allow people like Suketu to spew their filth?" It ain't Hindus and it ain't Eskimos who control the media. Suketu is small potatoes who is enabled by the Global Cabal.

    If whites had stood tall, people like Sucketu would come to America and bow at the feet of whites with awe and respect.

    But whites groveled before Jews, blacks, and homos and allowed themselves to be kicked and pummeled... and so, newcomers just join in the game of Kick the Whitey. But the non-white immigrants didn't start the game. They are joining in an ongoing process that's been around for some time. And it really began when whites gave up their moral authority to Jews, blacks, and homos and submitted themselves to any amount of abuse from them.

    I remember hearing something similar after 9/11 about Muslim attitudes towards the U.S.

    When Arabs look at America they see a country apparently run by Jews, women and blacks – i.e. the most most despised classes of Arab society. They have no respect for such a nation.

  187. @AnotherDad

    Honestly, this guy needs to be rubbed in every Trucon’s face, over and over, until they get it.
     
    Well said.

    But actually *every* American's face. I'd like to have every American read this guy, then have the separation referendum. The referendum choices would be:

    A) I want to live in traditional Western Civilization America with closed borders.

    B) I want to live in diversitopia, LGBTQWERTY, open borders America with Suketa Metha.

    “B) I want to live in diversitopia, LGBTQWERTY, open borders America with Suketa Metha.”…

    …as my employer and landlord. There, that’s how I would complete the sentence.

  188. @Corn
    Mehta have a Tinder account?

    He should hook up with Saira Sameera Rao.

    I would hope that he hooks up with Corey Booker instead. That would keep him from reproducing, at least.

  189. Excellent comments but they focus too much on this one arrogant individual. The larger point is that if it wasn’t this guy, the Post or the NYT (or the USA Today sports section for that matter) would easily and happily find many others to pen the same screed.

  190. @Art Deco
    We can get along quite well without J-schools and the people who work in them, especially if their mendacious and have bad attitudes. Send him back.

    if their mendacious and have bad attitudes

    Et tu , Art Deco?

  191. @Art Deco
    They guy's 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier. And he looks like an ordinary middle-aged bourgeois.

    With scant doubt there are multiple 56 year old bourgeois professors banging coeds this very day. Not even counting the lady profs.

  192. @anonymous
    " The blegs still don’t understand why it’s looking like they’ll never have a Speaker, let alone another black Mayor."

    Older people still remember the Hon. D. Dinkins, who presided over the anti-Jewish riots. Jews I knew who were living in NYC at the time referred to that as a "pogrom" which is not too much of an exaggeration. The older folks were afraid to go out, thinking they might encounter acolytes of the Reverend Al.

    Dinkins’ main man on the scene was the ‘rumpled genius,’ the late Bill Lynch. Bill de Blasio was working for Lynch at the time of the Crown Heights Riots. No wonder it was such a shitshow.

  193. @HerMajesty
    You are off by a loooong shot. For God's sake these are hindus we are talking about here. Ground zero of the 5000 year old vicious caste system. The very system is based on an ingroup-outgroup mentality. With so many subgroups within and without castes competing for ascendancy, the hatred part comes naturally to them

    But there’s an interethnic element too, because they’re not all Hindu, and not all same-caste Hindus get along. In fact India introduces a multiplier because of its size. It has megaclans that are on their way to becoming ethnies.

  194. @Ron Mexico
    "How-dee Par-din-ner" "Bir-dee num-num"

    If he says ‘birdy num-num’ just once in an interview I’ll buy his book.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  195. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/1157456070522130436

    He is thankfully under DOJ investigation for funnelling millions of dollars of campaign contributions to companies he controls. Just another grifter riding the Zeitgeist. He’d have gotten away with it if he’d kept his mouth shut.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    He would have gotten away with it had it not been for the Scooby-Doo gang.
  196. @Paleo Liberal
    Just curious, but what language would you have preferred?

    As for myself, I haven’t coded in Java since either 2000 or 2001.

    Smalltalk, a true OO language. http://www.pharo.org.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I’ve been using Python since late 2001.
    The reason: most of my work has been in science, especially biotech. Python is big in biotech.
    Most of the rest of my work has been in banking. Python is big in banking as well.

    That’s where the jobs are for me, and the money.
  197. @Art Deco
    They guy's 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier. And he looks like an ordinary middle-aged bourgeois.

    He looks like an upper caste male from the Asian subcontinent, which is what this is all coming down to, not the particular free-floating Proposition one may have in one’s head.

  198. @Jim Don Bob
    Smalltalk, a true OO language. www.pharo.org.

    I’ve been using Python since late 2001.
    The reason: most of my work has been in science, especially biotech. Python is big in biotech.
    Most of the rest of my work has been in banking. Python is big in banking as well.

    That’s where the jobs are for me, and the money.

  199. @Anonymous
    When the cons see immigration, they see new masters.

    When the libs see immigration, they see new servants.

    Not quite.

    When the guys with big bucks see immigrants, they see cheap labor.

  200. @Jim Don Bob
    He is thankfully under DOJ investigation for funnelling millions of dollars of campaign contributions to companies he controls. Just another grifter riding the Zeitgeist. He'd have gotten away with it if he'd kept his mouth shut.

    He would have gotten away with it had it not been for the Scooby-Doo gang.

  201. @Art Deco
    They guy's 56. With scant doubt, he quit expecting the co-eds to take an interest in him about 15 years ago if not earlier. And he looks like an ordinary middle-aged bourgeois.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    I quit teaching college when I was 40. There were still co-eds interested in me even though I was married. And that was in the sciences.

    I knew plenty of cases in which professors in softer fields were screwing ladies in their late teens or twenties after the age of 50. I knew a human sexuality professor who was shacked up with a young lady 30 years his junior. She was hot.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    After reading this, Whiskey is now hot-footing it to the nearest community college, teaching credentials in hand.
  202. @Paleo Liberal
    Maybe, maybe not.

    I quit teaching college when I was 40. There were still co-eds interested in me even though I was married. And that was in the sciences.

    I knew plenty of cases in which professors in softer fields were screwing ladies in their late teens or twenties after the age of 50. I knew a human sexuality professor who was shacked up with a young lady 30 years his junior. She was hot.

    After reading this, Whiskey is now hot-footing it to the nearest community college, teaching credentials in hand.

  203. @Bragadocious
    A journalism professor at a school that costs $70,000 a year to attend. Sounds like he's "bowing and scraping" to the PTB to justify his position and raise the profile of a program that frankly ain't worth it.

    I think he is giving us the truth no one had earlier shed any light on. Asians mostly Indo -Pak subcontinent in reply to Brits anti immigration wave in the UK in the 80’s said “we are here because you were there”. If you study history Brits, Belgian, German occupation & colonization of countries in Asia, Africa etc & the riches they plundered & transferred from there including creating a superficial social class yes gives people of these countries a right to immigrate, kind of reparation. By the by is not President Trumps forefathers from Germany? What made them migrate to the USA? Any idea that Apple co-owner Jobs father is a Syrian does it make Jobs a Syrian? Would USA banish Apple from its soil?

    • Replies: @Malla

    & the riches they plundered & transferred from there including creating a superficial social class yes gives people of these countries a right to immigrate, kind of reparation.
     
    There was no riches plundered.
  204. @Major Tim
    So... because the English gave his country a hard time while building a significant portion of their almost non-existent infrastructure they enjoy to this day, this proud Indian ingrate is taking it to the United States, because there were English people there, along with many other folks from Caucasian country of origin... and that's enough for him.

    So now, will we have to watch Apu as Hamilton? Or is there only one terribly misguided and unintentionally comical appropriation of white identity allowed per historical figure? First come, first serve, maybe?

    Even with that constraint, I don't think the Indians are going to find white history an easy nut to appropriate...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWz9FzY-ChY&feature=youtu.be

    The UK helped Pakistan genocide Hindu Bengalis in 1971 and gave Islam a second wind in the region.

    You truly deserve all that is coming to you Anglo christcuck।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Malla
    India went with the Soviets, Pakistan went with the USA as a response, UK followed what the Americans commanded. Who told India to go with the Soviets. Well, the Soviets played a big role in the destruction of British Raj.
  205. The People’s Veto has a very good video regarding the “plundering” of India for which Indian nationalist hatemongers wish to inflict White genocide.

    • Agree: Malla
  206. @AnotherDad
    Beyond the Indians vs. Jews specifics, i think the general take home is that:

    high IQ immigrants can actually be more toxic to your nation.


    It's all about endogamy and integration. If those high IQ immigrants readily adapt your culture, readily intermarry and think of themselves as part of your nation, then on simply eugenic grounds they are better than getting low IQ ones who make you dumber and less competitive.

    But if those high IQ immigrants are endogamous or at all hostile to your people and culture, then they are actually *much worseI* than living with low IQ group because they worm their way into your institutions and subvert your nation from the top down. Nothing is worse than losing executive function.

    Look at the history of the US: The white American gentiles were always dragging along a black population of somewhere between 10-20% of the US population, and yet by the end of the 19th century had become the richest and most powerful nation in the world with the highest standard of living. When i was born the US was at the apex of its power and with historically unprecendented opportunity and standard of living for the working man and blue skies and bright horizons ... even with dragging along its 10% blacks. Yet, in a mere 50 years since the Jewish ascendency with their minoritarian ideology--even in the midst of great technological progress--no one thinks the American future is bright. We are absolutely balkanized, have a public ideology containing a raft of the stupidest ideas (lies) mankind has ever heard, are unable to do even the most basic job of preventing invasion, face a future of endless ethnic grievance and contention ... and all sense we are nation in decline. That turnaround from a gleaming bright to a hidieous future took a mere 50 years of letting a high IQ, but hostile group at the levers of power and influence.

    High IQ immigrants that are compatible and readily integrate ... not a big issue. High IQ immigrants that endogamous or culturally hostile--a ticket to destruction and death.

    high IQ immigrants can actually be more toxic to your nation.

    Very true, Jews have been much more toxic than Gypsies to Europeans. At most the Gypsy will cheat you, steal some kids, play some low level swindling operations, dirty up a place etc… Jews who are basically Gypsies with High IQ have done much more damage.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  207. @Anonniau
    The UK helped Pakistan genocide Hindu Bengalis in 1971 and gave Islam a second wind in the region.

    You truly deserve all that is coming to you Anglo christcuck।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    India went with the Soviets, Pakistan went with the USA as a response, UK followed what the Americans commanded. Who told India to go with the Soviets. Well, the Soviets played a big role in the destruction of British Raj.

  208. @BengaliCanadianDude
    The myth of the infrastructure.... they built only a tiny trivial amount...its why India was a s******e after "liberation". The majority were developed after

    Railways British India 1909

    The first line of railway in India was finished in 1853. At the end of March, 1924, India had a total length of 38,039 miles of open system, which in 1925 carried over four and a half times as many passengers per mile of steel as did the railways of the United States.

    When America built her railways, she had not sufficient means to do so without borrowing. Consequently she borrowed from Europe, largely from Great Britain, about half the money that built her railway system, well content to pay what it cost in view of benefits expected from the opening of the country. These costs, in the normal course, continued until about 1914. When India built her railways, she also failed to find the money at home; yet in her case not because money was lacking, but because Indian baniya capitalists would lend only at huge rates of interest. Consequently India borrowed from her cheapest market, London, practically all the money that built her railways, paying from 2.5 to 5 per cent., with an average of 3.5 per cent, on the loans–the lowest rates that the world knew.

    Beyond the railheads ran the British-built network of good highroads, speeding motor traffic where bullock carts alone used to creep and wallow.

    Other practical uses of the railways, whether in equalization of prices, in opening of markets, or in development of trade with its consequent increase of individual prosperity and of Government revenues.

    The following figures as of the year 1925 are based on statistics contained in The Statesman’s Year Book of 1926:

    Mileage open per 1,000 square miles of territory in
    British India – 21
    Argentina – 19
    USA – 88
    Canada – 15

    Number of passengers carried per mile of open railway
    British India – 15,834
    Argentina – 5,966
    USA – 3,550
    Canada – 814

    Tons of goods carried per mile of open railway
    British India – 2,785
    Argentina – 2042
    USA – 8,277
    Canada – 2,019

    Total value of imports and exports carried per mile of
    open railway
    British India – $56,929
    Argentina – $73,092
    USA – $33,116
    Canada – $35,647

    Sir Mark Cubbon and the development of the State of Mysore /Karnataka

    The Hindu Wodeyars were reinstated in Mysore throne by the British after the fall of Tipu Sultan followed by the British taking control again in 1831. Finally power was handed back to Wodeyar in 1881.

    But what happened between 1831 and 1881? The credit goes to this gifted longest serving commissioner, Sir Mark Cubbon, of Mysore state from 1834 (now Karnataka). This was when Mysore state started developing into a power house.

    1.He made Bangalore the capital. This is not the Bangalore you see today but imagine a run down village. Tremendous amount of development went in and Bangalore became a modern city.

    2.Construction of over one thousand miles of roads divided into four classes: Trunk, Main, Taluk and Village.

    3.Hundreds of dams

    4.Coffee production

    5.Improvements in the tax and revenue systems that made Mysore state super efficient and rich.

    6. Railways, Post and telegraph etc.

    Power was handed back to Chamaraja Wodeyar groomed as a child by the British in 1881. The British commissioners were based in the state and progress continued unabated. Wodeyar went on to do great things for Mysore state

    The glorious Cubbon Park (with statues of Mark Cubbon) and Cubbon road are dedicated to him in Bangalore for his outstanding contribution. The credit for development of Mysore state (now Karnataka) clearly goes to the British and Wodeyars. Unfortunately, carried away by nationalism, Tipu Sultan is the one remembered in India even though he was a tyrant and contributed nothing in comparison.

    Cubbon park has around 68 varieties and 96 species with about 6,000 plants. Indigenous species such as Jackfruit, Cassia fistula, Peepal, Ashoka and exotic species such as Araucaria, Bamboo, Castanospermum australe, Grevillea robusta, Milletia, Peltophorum Schinus molle, Mahagony, Tabebuia can be seen.

    For more information about the amazing development by Sir Mark Cubbon in the Mysore state refer the book “The administration of Mysore under Sir Mark Cubbon (1834-1861) – Kasi Nageswara Venkatasubba Sastri”

    Orissa state, Education and T E Ravenshaw

    Orissa came under British rule in 1803 neglected in Education by earlier rulers (Maratha and Mughals). Thomas Edward Ravenshaw who was the commissioner argued for modern schools in Orissa state.

    Welcome to Ravenshaw University
    Three colleges were named after him for his outstanding work.
    They were the Ravenshaw Collegiate School, the Ravenshaw Girls’ School and the Ravenshaw College, which has now become a University. The point to note is that this honour was bestowed on Ravenshaw only after he completed his 12 year tenure in the state and left for another station, and this was done not at the behest of the government, but on account of the goodwill of the people of Orissa.

    Education received the maximum attention when this region came under British rule. Developments were done in cities of Cuttack and Bhubaneswar. The latter was redesigned by employing the services of Otto H. Königsberger.

    • Replies: @Malla
    Compare and contrast the dense railway system built in British India against the much much less developed railway system in China during the same period

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/KCRC_early_railway_network_of_China.jpg/230px-KCRC_early_railway_network_of_China.jpg
    Railway networks in China early 1900s.

    Most of these railway lines were designed and built by Europeans, Americans and the Japanese

    The British built the Shanghai-Nanjing Railway (1905-1908) and Kowloon-Canton Railway (completed 1911). The French built the Sino-Vietnamese Railway (1904–10), an 855 km 1,000 mm (3 ft 3 3⁄8 in) line to connect Kunming with Vietnam, French Indochina. The Germans built the Jiaoji Railway in Shandong Province. British and German industrialists jointly built the Tianjin–Pukou Railway. The Americans built the Canton - Sam Shui Railway in Guangdong in 1902-04. Czarist Russia built the China Eastern Railway (1897-1901) and the Southern Manchuria Railway to Port Arthur. To prevent domination by bigger powers, the Qing Court gave the rights to the Lugouqiao-Hankou Railway to Belgians. The Japanese built the Chao Chow and Swatow Railway (1904–06).

    Some networks however were built by the Chinese themselves
    The Beijing-Zhangjiakou Railway built from 1905–09, was the first railway to be designed and built indigenously. The chief engineer was Zhan Tianyou, who is known as the Father of China's Railways. The Shanghai-Hangzhou Railway, 189 km in length and completed in 1909, was financed by the provincial governments of Jiangsu and Zhejiang.

    , @Malla
    At 1947, when India exited the British Empire, she had 53,596 kms of British built railways as against China in 1945 who had only 27,000 kms of railways even though China is far larger in size than India.
    By 1948, the number of usable kilometers of rail in China was estimated at only 8,000 km due to the Chinese Civil War. The Communists actively sabotaged rail lines to disrupt the ruling Nationalists (Kuomintang), and the Nationalists scavenged lesser used railways in order to repair the most important ones.

    Indian government added only 11,004 kilometres rail network after 1947. India's rail network rose from 53,596 route kilometres as of 1947 to 64,600 kilometres in 2016.

  209. @Malla
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/India_railways1909a.jpg

    Railways British India 1909

    The first line of railway in India was finished in 1853. At the end of March, 1924, India had a total length of 38,039 miles of open system, which in 1925 carried over four and a half times as many passengers per mile of steel as did the railways of the United States.

    When America built her railways, she had not sufficient means to do so without borrowing. Consequently she borrowed from Europe, largely from Great Britain, about half the money that built her railway system, well content to pay what it cost in view of benefits expected from the opening of the country. These costs, in the normal course, continued until about 1914. When India built her railways, she also failed to find the money at home; yet in her case not because money was lacking, but because Indian baniya capitalists would lend only at huge rates of interest. Consequently India borrowed from her cheapest market, London, practically all the money that built her railways, paying from 2.5 to 5 per cent., with an average of 3.5 per cent, on the loans--the lowest rates that the world knew.

    Beyond the railheads ran the British-built network of good highroads, speeding motor traffic where bullock carts alone used to creep and wallow.

    Other practical uses of the railways, whether in equalization of prices, in opening of markets, or in development of trade with its consequent increase of individual prosperity and of Government revenues.

    The following figures as of the year 1925 are based on statistics contained in The Statesman's Year Book of 1926:


    Mileage open per 1,000 square miles of territory in
    British India - 21
    Argentina - 19
    USA - 88
    Canada - 15

    Number of passengers carried per mile of open railway
    British India - 15,834
    Argentina - 5,966
    USA - 3,550
    Canada - 814

    Tons of goods carried per mile of open railway
    British India - 2,785
    Argentina - 2042
    USA - 8,277
    Canada - 2,019

    Total value of imports and exports carried per mile of
    open railway
    British India - $56,929
    Argentina - $73,092
    USA - $33,116
    Canada - $35,647

    Sir Mark Cubbon and the development of the State of Mysore /Karnataka

    The Hindu Wodeyars were reinstated in Mysore throne by the British after the fall of Tipu Sultan followed by the British taking control again in 1831. Finally power was handed back to Wodeyar in 1881.

    But what happened between 1831 and 1881? The credit goes to this gifted longest serving commissioner, Sir Mark Cubbon, of Mysore state from 1834 (now Karnataka). This was when Mysore state started developing into a power house.

    1.He made Bangalore the capital. This is not the Bangalore you see today but imagine a run down village. Tremendous amount of development went in and Bangalore became a modern city.

    2.Construction of over one thousand miles of roads divided into four classes: Trunk, Main, Taluk and Village.

    3.Hundreds of dams

    4.Coffee production

    5.Improvements in the tax and revenue systems that made Mysore state super efficient and rich.

    6. Railways, Post and telegraph etc.
    ...

    Power was handed back to Chamaraja Wodeyar groomed as a child by the British in 1881. The British commissioners were based in the state and progress continued unabated. Wodeyar went on to do great things for Mysore state

    The glorious Cubbon Park (with statues of Mark Cubbon) and Cubbon road are dedicated to him in Bangalore for his outstanding contribution. The credit for development of Mysore state (now Karnataka) clearly goes to the British and Wodeyars. Unfortunately, carried away by nationalism, Tipu Sultan is the one remembered in India even though he was a tyrant and contributed nothing in comparison.

    Cubbon park has around 68 varieties and 96 species with about 6,000 plants. Indigenous species such as Jackfruit, Cassia fistula, Peepal, Ashoka and exotic species such as Araucaria, Bamboo, Castanospermum australe, Grevillea robusta, Milletia, Peltophorum Schinus molle, Mahagony, Tabebuia can be seen.

    For more information about the amazing development by Sir Mark Cubbon in the Mysore state refer the book "The administration of Mysore under Sir Mark Cubbon (1834-1861) - Kasi Nageswara Venkatasubba Sastri"

    Orissa state, Education and T E Ravenshaw

    Orissa came under British rule in 1803 neglected in Education by earlier rulers (Maratha and Mughals). Thomas Edward Ravenshaw who was the commissioner argued for modern schools in Orissa state.

    Welcome to Ravenshaw University
    Three colleges were named after him for his outstanding work.
    They were the Ravenshaw Collegiate School, the Ravenshaw Girls' School and the Ravenshaw College, which has now become a University. The point to note is that this honour was bestowed on Ravenshaw only after he completed his 12 year tenure in the state and left for another station, and this was done not at the behest of the government, but on account of the goodwill of the people of Orissa.

    Education received the maximum attention when this region came under British rule. Developments were done in cities of Cuttack and Bhubaneswar. The latter was redesigned by employing the services of Otto H. Königsberger.

    Compare and contrast the dense railway system built in British India against the much much less developed railway system in China during the same period
    Railway networks in China early 1900s.

    Most of these railway lines were designed and built by Europeans, Americans and the Japanese

    The British built the Shanghai-Nanjing Railway (1905-1908) and Kowloon-Canton Railway (completed 1911). The French built the Sino-Vietnamese Railway (1904–10), an 855 km 1,000 mm (3 ft 3 3⁄8 in) line to connect Kunming with Vietnam, French Indochina. The Germans built the Jiaoji Railway in Shandong Province. British and German industrialists jointly built the Tianjin–Pukou Railway. The Americans built the Canton – Sam Shui Railway in Guangdong in 1902-04. Czarist Russia built the China Eastern Railway (1897-1901) and the Southern Manchuria Railway to Port Arthur. To prevent domination by bigger powers, the Qing Court gave the rights to the Lugouqiao-Hankou Railway to Belgians. The Japanese built the Chao Chow and Swatow Railway (1904–06).

    Some networks however were built by the Chinese themselves
    The Beijing-Zhangjiakou Railway built from 1905–09, was the first railway to be designed and built indigenously. The chief engineer was Zhan Tianyou, who is known as the Father of China’s Railways. The Shanghai-Hangzhou Railway, 189 km in length and completed in 1909, was financed by the provincial governments of Jiangsu and Zhejiang.

  210. @Malla
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/India_railways1909a.jpg

    Railways British India 1909

    The first line of railway in India was finished in 1853. At the end of March, 1924, India had a total length of 38,039 miles of open system, which in 1925 carried over four and a half times as many passengers per mile of steel as did the railways of the United States.

    When America built her railways, she had not sufficient means to do so without borrowing. Consequently she borrowed from Europe, largely from Great Britain, about half the money that built her railway system, well content to pay what it cost in view of benefits expected from the opening of the country. These costs, in the normal course, continued until about 1914. When India built her railways, she also failed to find the money at home; yet in her case not because money was lacking, but because Indian baniya capitalists would lend only at huge rates of interest. Consequently India borrowed from her cheapest market, London, practically all the money that built her railways, paying from 2.5 to 5 per cent., with an average of 3.5 per cent, on the loans--the lowest rates that the world knew.

    Beyond the railheads ran the British-built network of good highroads, speeding motor traffic where bullock carts alone used to creep and wallow.

    Other practical uses of the railways, whether in equalization of prices, in opening of markets, or in development of trade with its consequent increase of individual prosperity and of Government revenues.

    The following figures as of the year 1925 are based on statistics contained in The Statesman's Year Book of 1926:


    Mileage open per 1,000 square miles of territory in
    British India - 21
    Argentina - 19
    USA - 88
    Canada - 15

    Number of passengers carried per mile of open railway
    British India - 15,834
    Argentina - 5,966
    USA - 3,550
    Canada - 814

    Tons of goods carried per mile of open railway
    British India - 2,785
    Argentina - 2042
    USA - 8,277
    Canada - 2,019

    Total value of imports and exports carried per mile of
    open railway
    British India - $56,929
    Argentina - $73,092
    USA - $33,116
    Canada - $35,647

    Sir Mark Cubbon and the development of the State of Mysore /Karnataka

    The Hindu Wodeyars were reinstated in Mysore throne by the British after the fall of Tipu Sultan followed by the British taking control again in 1831. Finally power was handed back to Wodeyar in 1881.

    But what happened between 1831 and 1881? The credit goes to this gifted longest serving commissioner, Sir Mark Cubbon, of Mysore state from 1834 (now Karnataka). This was when Mysore state started developing into a power house.

    1.He made Bangalore the capital. This is not the Bangalore you see today but imagine a run down village. Tremendous amount of development went in and Bangalore became a modern city.

    2.Construction of over one thousand miles of roads divided into four classes: Trunk, Main, Taluk and Village.

    3.Hundreds of dams

    4.Coffee production

    5.Improvements in the tax and revenue systems that made Mysore state super efficient and rich.

    6. Railways, Post and telegraph etc.
    ...

    Power was handed back to Chamaraja Wodeyar groomed as a child by the British in 1881. The British commissioners were based in the state and progress continued unabated. Wodeyar went on to do great things for Mysore state

    The glorious Cubbon Park (with statues of Mark Cubbon) and Cubbon road are dedicated to him in Bangalore for his outstanding contribution. The credit for development of Mysore state (now Karnataka) clearly goes to the British and Wodeyars. Unfortunately, carried away by nationalism, Tipu Sultan is the one remembered in India even though he was a tyrant and contributed nothing in comparison.

    Cubbon park has around 68 varieties and 96 species with about 6,000 plants. Indigenous species such as Jackfruit, Cassia fistula, Peepal, Ashoka and exotic species such as Araucaria, Bamboo, Castanospermum australe, Grevillea robusta, Milletia, Peltophorum Schinus molle, Mahagony, Tabebuia can be seen.

    For more information about the amazing development by Sir Mark Cubbon in the Mysore state refer the book "The administration of Mysore under Sir Mark Cubbon (1834-1861) - Kasi Nageswara Venkatasubba Sastri"

    Orissa state, Education and T E Ravenshaw

    Orissa came under British rule in 1803 neglected in Education by earlier rulers (Maratha and Mughals). Thomas Edward Ravenshaw who was the commissioner argued for modern schools in Orissa state.

    Welcome to Ravenshaw University
    Three colleges were named after him for his outstanding work.
    They were the Ravenshaw Collegiate School, the Ravenshaw Girls' School and the Ravenshaw College, which has now become a University. The point to note is that this honour was bestowed on Ravenshaw only after he completed his 12 year tenure in the state and left for another station, and this was done not at the behest of the government, but on account of the goodwill of the people of Orissa.

    Education received the maximum attention when this region came under British rule. Developments were done in cities of Cuttack and Bhubaneswar. The latter was redesigned by employing the services of Otto H. Königsberger.

    At 1947, when India exited the British Empire, she had 53,596 kms of British built railways as against China in 1945 who had only 27,000 kms of railways even though China is far larger in size than India.
    By 1948, the number of usable kilometers of rail in China was estimated at only 8,000 km due to the Chinese Civil War. The Communists actively sabotaged rail lines to disrupt the ruling Nationalists (Kuomintang), and the Nationalists scavenged lesser used railways in order to repair the most important ones.

    Indian government added only 11,004 kilometres rail network after 1947. India’s rail network rose from 53,596 route kilometres as of 1947 to 64,600 kilometres in 2016.

  211. @BengaliCanadianDude
    The myth of the infrastructure.... they built only a tiny trivial amount...its why India was a s******e after "liberation". The majority were developed after

    British Indian Government also built the largest irrigation project in the World at that time in the Punjab. Larger than anything in the United States, Soviet Union or China at that time. Built between 1886 to 1940.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Canal_Colonies

    The Punjab Canal Colonies is the name given to parts of western Punjab which were brought under cultivation through the construction of canals and agricultural colonisation during the British Raj. Between 1885 and 1940, nine canal colonies were created in the inter-fluvial tracts east of the Beas and Sutlej and west of the Jhelum rivers. The Punjab underwent an agricultural revolution as arid subsistence production was replaced by the commercialised production of huge amounts of wheat, cotton and sugar.[1] In total, over one million Punjabis settled in the new colonies, relieving demographic pressures in central Punjab.[2]

    …snip….

    In the 19th century, the vast majority of the population was settled in the fertile regions of central and eastern Punjab. In the western Punjab rainfall was too low for large scale agriculture and resulting in large tracts of barren land.[3] Most of this land had been assigned as Crown land and lay unused.[5] In the 1880s the Punjab administration of Charles Umpherston Aitchison began the process of engineering a vast irrigation scheme in the mostly uninhabited wastelands. The two stated motives for the project were:[6]

    To relieve the pressure of population upon the land in those districts of the Province where the agricultural population has already reached or is fast approaching the limit which the land available to agriculture can support and to colonise the area in question with well-to-do yeomen of the best class of agriculturists, who will cultivate their own holdings with the aid of their families and the usual menials, but as much as possible without the aid of tenants, and will constitute healthy agricultural communities of the best Punjab type.

    The government hoped to “create villages of a type superior in comfort and civilisation to anything which had previously existed in the Punjab”,[7] which in turn would increase productivity.[8] This increased productivity would then boost revenues for the government. To finance this ambitious project, capital was raised through the sale of governmental bonds in Britain, offering investors the chance to benefit from the interest charges remitted by the provincial government.[9]

    …snip….

    To improve the economic position and standard of living amongst Punjabi agriculturalists, the provincial government had passed a series of paternalist measures. The Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900 removed the zamindar’s right to sell or mortgage his land without the approval of the district officer. These officers usually only approved a zamindar’s request if he belonged to a tribe designated as an agricultural tribe by the government. The restrictions were designed to halt the flow of land outside of the agricultural community, and prevent further indebtedness towards moneylenders by curtailing cultivator’s credit. Although the Act drew protests from the commercial tribes and money-lenders, they were unable to garner support from the cultivators whose interests had been protected. In the following years, encouraged by the lack of agitation further paternalist measures were introduced, such as the Punjab Pre-Emption Act which stated agriculturalists had first claim on any land sold by a villager.[4]

    …snip….

    The Punjab, despite being only 9.7 per cent of the total area of British India, had by 1931 9,929,217 acres irrigated by canals colonies, the largest area in British India, and representing 46 per cent of the total land irrigated by canals. This was two and a half times greater than the Madras Presidency, second in this category.[55] The canal irrigated area in the Punjab increased from 3 million acres in 1885 to 14 million acres by the end of British rule in 1947.[56]

    The canal colonies acted as a primary industrialising agent in the Punjab. By 1921 the proportion of the population supported by agriculture was lesser in the colony districts relative to in the non-colony districts, because a significant population in the colony districts was engaged in industrial pursuits. For example, in Lyallpur alone 326 ginning factories emerged to serve her own cotton fields.[57] By converting barren land into productive agricultural land, the Punjabi government was able to increase export output and maximise revenue through taxes on the increased produce. The increased supply of produce in turn meant investment was needed in the road and rail network to transport the goods to market. The larger size of the holdings in the colonies, together with improvements to the transport infrastructure and other marketing facilities had a large positive impact on the settler’s income.[58]

    Prior to the establishment of the colonies, many farmers in the Punjab were in debt to money-lenders. However, with the increased incomes in the colonies, the proportion of debt owed to traditional money-lenders was considerably less than in other non-colony areas.[57] Furthermore, by obtaining the grants at nominal prices, the settlers were able to enjoy the vast capital appreciation of their land as it grew increasingly productive. By the 1920s, thirty years after the establishment of the Chenab Colony, the average land price in Lyallpur was Rs. 1200 providing a capital gain of 9,900 percent.[59]

    A significant beneficiary of the colonisation was the city of Lyallpur, originally named after Sir James Broadwood Lyall who pioneered the Chenab colony. At the time of the British annexation in 1849 it was a barren wasteland, and by 1891 the region had a population density of mere 7 persons per square mile. It was characterised by nomadic tribes and notorious criminals, with the Sandal Bar area being named after the Chuhra bandit Sandal. By 1901, in just a decade, the population had reached 187 persons per square mile, was 301 in 1921 and 927 in 1998.[60] Lyallpur, renamed Faisalabad in the 1970s, is currently the third most prosperous city of Pakistan in terms of GDP per capita.[61]

    WHY IS DIS NOT TAUGHT IN INDIAN HISTORY BOOKS POST 1947? WHY DID THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SWEEP THIS FACT OUT OF HISTORY? PUNJAB IS ONE OF THE MOST DEVELOPED STATE IN INDIA AS FAR AS AGRICULTURE IS CONCERNED AND IT SEEMS THE BRITISH RAJ WERE PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BUT MOST INDIANS BELIEVE IT WAS A POST 1947 PHENOMENON.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    HY IS DIS NOT TAUGHT IN INDIAN HISTORY BOOKS POST 1947?
     
    Malla my friend, I agree with you on many counts. Especially this one. The Hindus love to pretend that they were advanced, futuristic high-tech people before the WHYTE MAN stepped foot, or before MUSLIM INVADERS got there. They weren't., They love to take pride in accomplishments that are not theirs. If they really were elite, utopian geniuses, they would've been easily able to devise a plan to repel so-called "uncivilized" "barbarian" christians and muzzies. This is why you see so much hatred in the comments section and in real life for christianity and the sorts
  212. @BengaliCanadianDude
    The myth of the infrastructure.... they built only a tiny trivial amount...its why India was a s******e after "liberation". The majority were developed after

    1. Dams: The British built dams of remarkable technological feat. These have helped India in making more dams after independence. You can still see ‘Made in England’ signs on these dams built during the Empire days.

    2. Electricity: The first demonstation was done by PJ Fleury in 1879 during the colonial era. London controlled Kilburn and Co. till 1970. First hydroelectric installation was done in 1870 and the first electric train in 1925.

    3. Modern Bridges

    4. Canals and irrigation: 75000 miles of canals were constructed by the British Raj. Now that’s something!

    5. Telecommunication (Telephone, Telegraph etc.): It was started in 1850 during the British Raj era.

    6. Postal System which reached every corner of India.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    You make a fair point about those hindutwadis. They're extremely cuckoo, and apparently, on the floor of the Indian parliament, these crackpots have actually stated that NASA is 90% Hindu! Get a load of that! They're extremely delusional and arrogant. I don't like arrogant people regardless of race/colour/religion. And they love to complain about Muzzies. Listen, that's fine.; Many of them are degenerates and many deserve criticism. But those in glass houses don't throw stones!
  213. @BengaliCanadianDude
    The myth of the infrastructure.... they built only a tiny trivial amount...its why India was a s******e after "liberation". The majority were developed after

    Have you being hearing lately from low IQ Hinduwadi crackpots about banning English and making Hindi compulsory. Well who created/developed the Hindi language?

    Introducing Adam Gilchrist, the noted British linguist
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilchrist_(linguist)

    Adam Gilchrist: Father of both Hindi and Urdu.

    He is principally known for his study of the Hindustani language, which led to it being adopted as the lingua franca of northern India (including present-day Pakistan) by British colonists and indigenous people. He compiled and authored An English-Hindustani Dictionary, A Grammar of the Hindoostanee Language, The Oriental Linguist, and many more. His lexicon of Hindustani was published in Arabic script, Nāgarī script, and in Roman transliteration.

    ..snip….
    Under Gilchrist’s leadership, Fort William also became a centre for Urdu prose. The language they taught was meant for young British people to acquire a general practical knowledge for administrative purposes, and not for native speakers of the language. He gathered around him writers from all over India who were able to produce a simple Urdu style that was “intelligible to British officers and merchants who had no use for poetry”.[4] One of Gilchrist’s pupils was the missionary Henry Martyn, an Anglican priest and chaplain for the East India Company, who revised the Hindustani version of the New Testament and later translated it, together with the Book of Psalms and Book of Common Prayer, into Urdu and Persian. By the early nineteenth century, the Persian language was gradually replaced by Urdu as the vernacular to serve as the administrative language in a growing colonial bureaucracy.[13]

    In 1803, Gilchrist inducted other writers into the college, who helped make rapid strides in Hindi language and literature. Subsequently, a Hindi translation of the Bible appeared in 1818 and Udant Martand, the first Hindi newspaper, was published in 1826 in Calcutta.

    Scholars debate Gilchrist’s role in the distillation of Hindustani into the modern languages of Hindi and Urdu, but according to Gilchrist, the rise of the new prose tradition was also the “bifurcation of Khariboli into two forms – the Hindustani language with Khariboli as the root resulted in two languages (Hindi and Urdu), each with its own character and script.“[16] He not only discovered/invented the Hindustani language, but he was credited as a great patron of Urdu and indirectly the reinvigoration of Hindi. During his time at Fort William College, he encouraged the use of the purer form of Khariboli from which contemporary Hindi evolved. In the words of K.B. Jindal, author of A history of Hindi literature: “Hindi as we know it today is the product of the nineteenth century.[17]

    Another view was that of George Abraham Grierson, an Irish linguist and Civil servant, who said that the standard or pure Hindi which contemporary Indians use is “an artificial dialect the mother tongue of no native-born Indian, a newly invented speech, that wonderful hybrid known to Europeans as Hindi and invented by them.”

    BTW the word ‘Urdu’ comes from the Mongol/Mughal word for Tent ‘Ordo’.

    As far as Bengali is concerned

    The first Bengali dictionary was by a Portuguese priest. Vocabulario em Idioma Bengalla e Portuguez can be identified as the first one of this type. It had been compiled by Fr. Manoel da Assumpcam, a Portuguese priest, working in Dhaka region then. It comprises 602 pages in total and was published from the city of Lisbon in 1743 with Roman script.

    Father Manoel did not only compile his justly famous Vocabulario em idioma Bengalla e Portuguez which included a “Breve compendi da gramatica Bengala”, Bengali grammar, he started also a new style of writing, well known as prose style. Obviously, people in Bengal used to talk in prose, but it was not available in literature as norms had not yet been determined. Few letters and documents regarding business and property remained as the witnesses of the past. So, Father Manoel’s two books published from Lisbon in 1743 were the first-ever prose writings also in book form. It was in Roman letters as Bengali letters were yet to be used in printing (1778). It was, therefore, a great achievement on both accounts.

    According to Dr. Muhammad Enamul Hoque “The Portuguese influence on the Bengali culture is extremely overwhelming and deep”

    The first Bengali dictionary with Bengali script was published from Kolkata in 1793. Its title is An Extensive Vocabulary, Bengalese and English and comprises of 445 pages. It is assumed that its compiler and publisher was Aaron Upjohn. However, for the first largest Bengali dictionary credit goes to Henry Pitts Forster. His dictionary is called A Vocabulary in Two Parts: English and Bongalee and Vice Versa. Its two volumes appeared in 1799 and 1802. Approximately 20,000 Bengali words with their English synonyms were included in it.

    One more dictionary of note is ‘Dvibhasarthakabhidhan’ by William Morton published in Calcutta, 1828.

    The first Bengali Sanskrit dictionary was “A Dictionary: Bengali and Sanskrit” by GC Houghton published Calcutta, 1833. Ironically one of the first, if not the first Bengali English dictionary was by a Bengali native “A Vocabulary: Bengali and English” by Mohanprosad Thakur published in Calcutta, 1805. So a Bengali gentleman/badralok published a Bengali English dictionary before a British gentleman published the first Bengali Sanskrit dictionary!!!!

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    I'm not absolving the Hindus. I've commented about this a lot, and I do blame the piss drinkers a lot. Search through my comments. I'm pretty consistent in my beliefs. These are good resources you've shown me. I might have stated this before, but colonialism again wouldn't be all that bad. Hindus have already taken a lot of land from people under the "reform" acts from the zamindari system, and they've expropriated a lot of wealth from people who were previously well-off. In the social hierarchy/ladder, my family ranked well, and they were wealthy because of the deals they made under the colonial administration, and those who weren't were pretty much employed under them.
  214. @Malla
    Have you being hearing lately from low IQ Hinduwadi crackpots about banning English and making Hindi compulsory. Well who created/developed the Hindi language?

    Introducing Adam Gilchrist, the noted British linguist
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilchrist_(linguist)

    https://d3d00swyhr67nd.cloudfront.net/w800h800/LDUCS/LDUCS_UCLAC_PC5631.jpg

    Adam Gilchrist: Father of both Hindi and Urdu.

    He is principally known for his study of the Hindustani language, which led to it being adopted as the lingua franca of northern India (including present-day Pakistan) by British colonists and indigenous people. He compiled and authored An English-Hindustani Dictionary, A Grammar of the Hindoostanee Language, The Oriental Linguist, and many more. His lexicon of Hindustani was published in Arabic script, Nāgarī script, and in Roman transliteration.

    ..snip….
    Under Gilchrist’s leadership, Fort William also became a centre for Urdu prose. The language they taught was meant for young British people to acquire a general practical knowledge for administrative purposes, and not for native speakers of the language. He gathered around him writers from all over India who were able to produce a simple Urdu style that was “intelligible to British officers and merchants who had no use for poetry”.[4] One of Gilchrist’s pupils was the missionary Henry Martyn, an Anglican priest and chaplain for the East India Company, who revised the Hindustani version of the New Testament and later translated it, together with the Book of Psalms and Book of Common Prayer, into Urdu and Persian. By the early nineteenth century, the Persian language was gradually replaced by Urdu as the vernacular to serve as the administrative language in a growing colonial bureaucracy.[13]

    In 1803, Gilchrist inducted other writers into the college, who helped make rapid strides in Hindi language and literature. Subsequently, a Hindi translation of the Bible appeared in 1818 and Udant Martand, the first Hindi newspaper, was published in 1826 in Calcutta.

    Scholars debate Gilchrist’s role in the distillation of Hindustani into the modern languages of Hindi and Urdu, but according to Gilchrist, the rise of the new prose tradition was also the “bifurcation of Khariboli into two forms – the Hindustani language with Khariboli as the root resulted in two languages (Hindi and Urdu), each with its own character and script.“[16] He not only discovered/invented the Hindustani language, but he was credited as a great patron of Urdu and indirectly the reinvigoration of Hindi. During his time at Fort William College, he encouraged the use of the purer form of Khariboli from which contemporary Hindi evolved. In the words of K.B. Jindal, author of A history of Hindi literature: “Hindi as we know it today is the product of the nineteenth century.[17]

    Another view was that of George Abraham Grierson, an Irish linguist and Civil servant, who said that the standard or pure Hindi which contemporary Indians use is “an artificial dialect the mother tongue of no native-born Indian, a newly invented speech, that wonderful hybrid known to Europeans as Hindi and invented by them.”

    BTW the word ‘Urdu’ comes from the Mongol/Mughal word for Tent ‘Ordo’.

    As far as Bengali is concerned

    The first Bengali dictionary was by a Portuguese priest. Vocabulario em Idioma Bengalla e Portuguez can be identified as the first one of this type. It had been compiled by Fr. Manoel da Assumpcam, a Portuguese priest, working in Dhaka region then. It comprises 602 pages in total and was published from the city of Lisbon in 1743 with Roman script.

    Father Manoel did not only compile his justly famous Vocabulario em idioma Bengalla e Portuguez which included a “Breve compendi da gramatica Bengala”, Bengali grammar, he started also a new style of writing, well known as prose style. Obviously, people in Bengal used to talk in prose, but it was not available in literature as norms had not yet been determined. Few letters and documents regarding business and property remained as the witnesses of the past. So, Father Manoel's two books published from Lisbon in 1743 were the first-ever prose writings also in book form. It was in Roman letters as Bengali letters were yet to be used in printing (1778). It was, therefore, a great achievement on both accounts.

    According to Dr. Muhammad Enamul Hoque “The Portuguese influence on the Bengali culture is extremely overwhelming and deep”

    The first Bengali dictionary with Bengali script was published from Kolkata in 1793. Its title is An Extensive Vocabulary, Bengalese and English and comprises of 445 pages. It is assumed that its compiler and publisher was Aaron Upjohn. However, for the first largest Bengali dictionary credit goes to Henry Pitts Forster. His dictionary is called A Vocabulary in Two Parts: English and Bongalee and Vice Versa. Its two volumes appeared in 1799 and 1802. Approximately 20,000 Bengali words with their English synonyms were included in it.

    One more dictionary of note is 'Dvibhasarthakabhidhan' by William Morton published in Calcutta, 1828.

    The first Bengali Sanskrit dictionary was "A Dictionary: Bengali and Sanskrit" by GC Houghton published Calcutta, 1833. Ironically one of the first, if not the first Bengali English dictionary was by a Bengali native "A Vocabulary: Bengali and English" by Mohanprosad Thakur published in Calcutta, 1805. So a Bengali gentleman/badralok published a Bengali English dictionary before a British gentleman published the first Bengali Sanskrit dictionary!!!!

    I’m not absolving the Hindus. I’ve commented about this a lot, and I do blame the piss drinkers a lot. Search through my comments. I’m pretty consistent in my beliefs. These are good resources you’ve shown me. I might have stated this before, but colonialism again wouldn’t be all that bad. Hindus have already taken a lot of land from people under the “reform” acts from the zamindari system, and they’ve expropriated a lot of wealth from people who were previously well-off. In the social hierarchy/ladder, my family ranked well, and they were wealthy because of the deals they made under the colonial administration, and those who weren’t were pretty much employed under them.

  215. @Malla
    1. Dams: The British built dams of remarkable technological feat. These have helped India in making more dams after independence. You can still see 'Made in England' signs on these dams built during the Empire days.

    2. Electricity: The first demonstation was done by PJ Fleury in 1879 during the colonial era. London controlled Kilburn and Co. till 1970. First hydroelectric installation was done in 1870 and the first electric train in 1925.

    3. Modern Bridges

    4. Canals and irrigation: 75000 miles of canals were constructed by the British Raj. Now that's something!

    5. Telecommunication (Telephone, Telegraph etc.): It was started in 1850 during the British Raj era.

    6. Postal System which reached every corner of India.

    You make a fair point about those hindutwadis. They’re extremely cuckoo, and apparently, on the floor of the Indian parliament, these crackpots have actually stated that NASA is 90% Hindu! Get a load of that! They’re extremely delusional and arrogant. I don’t like arrogant people regardless of race/colour/religion. And they love to complain about Muzzies. Listen, that’s fine.; Many of them are degenerates and many deserve criticism. But those in glass houses don’t throw stones!

  216. @Malla
    British Indian Government also built the largest irrigation project in the World at that time in the Punjab. Larger than anything in the United States, Soviet Union or China at that time. Built between 1886 to 1940.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Canal_Colonies

    The Punjab Canal Colonies is the name given to parts of western Punjab which were brought under cultivation through the construction of canals and agricultural colonisation during the British Raj. Between 1885 and 1940, nine canal colonies were created in the inter-fluvial tracts east of the Beas and Sutlej and west of the Jhelum rivers. The Punjab underwent an agricultural revolution as arid subsistence production was replaced by the commercialised production of huge amounts of wheat, cotton and sugar.[1] In total, over one million Punjabis settled in the new colonies, relieving demographic pressures in central Punjab.[2]

    ...snip....

    In the 19th century, the vast majority of the population was settled in the fertile regions of central and eastern Punjab. In the western Punjab rainfall was too low for large scale agriculture and resulting in large tracts of barren land.[3] Most of this land had been assigned as Crown land and lay unused.[5] In the 1880s the Punjab administration of Charles Umpherston Aitchison began the process of engineering a vast irrigation scheme in the mostly uninhabited wastelands. The two stated motives for the project were:[6]

    To relieve the pressure of population upon the land in those districts of the Province where the agricultural population has already reached or is fast approaching the limit which the land available to agriculture can support and to colonise the area in question with well-to-do yeomen of the best class of agriculturists, who will cultivate their own holdings with the aid of their families and the usual menials, but as much as possible without the aid of tenants, and will constitute healthy agricultural communities of the best Punjab type.

    The government hoped to "create villages of a type superior in comfort and civilisation to anything which had previously existed in the Punjab",[7] which in turn would increase productivity.[8] This increased productivity would then boost revenues for the government. To finance this ambitious project, capital was raised through the sale of governmental bonds in Britain, offering investors the chance to benefit from the interest charges remitted by the provincial government.[9]

    ...snip....

    To improve the economic position and standard of living amongst Punjabi agriculturalists, the provincial government had passed a series of paternalist measures. The Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900 removed the zamindar's right to sell or mortgage his land without the approval of the district officer. These officers usually only approved a zamindar's request if he belonged to a tribe designated as an agricultural tribe by the government. The restrictions were designed to halt the flow of land outside of the agricultural community, and prevent further indebtedness towards moneylenders by curtailing cultivator's credit. Although the Act drew protests from the commercial tribes and money-lenders, they were unable to garner support from the cultivators whose interests had been protected. In the following years, encouraged by the lack of agitation further paternalist measures were introduced, such as the Punjab Pre-Emption Act which stated agriculturalists had first claim on any land sold by a villager.[4]

    ...snip....

    The Punjab, despite being only 9.7 per cent of the total area of British India, had by 1931 9,929,217 acres irrigated by canals colonies, the largest area in British India, and representing 46 per cent of the total land irrigated by canals. This was two and a half times greater than the Madras Presidency, second in this category.[55] The canal irrigated area in the Punjab increased from 3 million acres in 1885 to 14 million acres by the end of British rule in 1947.[56]

    The canal colonies acted as a primary industrialising agent in the Punjab. By 1921 the proportion of the population supported by agriculture was lesser in the colony districts relative to in the non-colony districts, because a significant population in the colony districts was engaged in industrial pursuits. For example, in Lyallpur alone 326 ginning factories emerged to serve her own cotton fields.[57] By converting barren land into productive agricultural land, the Punjabi government was able to increase export output and maximise revenue through taxes on the increased produce. The increased supply of produce in turn meant investment was needed in the road and rail network to transport the goods to market. The larger size of the holdings in the colonies, together with improvements to the transport infrastructure and other marketing facilities had a large positive impact on the settler's income.[58]

    Prior to the establishment of the colonies, many farmers in the Punjab were in debt to money-lenders. However, with the increased incomes in the colonies, the proportion of debt owed to traditional money-lenders was considerably less than in other non-colony areas.[57] Furthermore, by obtaining the grants at nominal prices, the settlers were able to enjoy the vast capital appreciation of their land as it grew increasingly productive. By the 1920s, thirty years after the establishment of the Chenab Colony, the average land price in Lyallpur was Rs. 1200 providing a capital gain of 9,900 percent.[59]

    A significant beneficiary of the colonisation was the city of Lyallpur, originally named after Sir James Broadwood Lyall who pioneered the Chenab colony. At the time of the British annexation in 1849 it was a barren wasteland, and by 1891 the region had a population density of mere 7 persons per square mile. It was characterised by nomadic tribes and notorious criminals, with the Sandal Bar area being named after the Chuhra bandit Sandal. By 1901, in just a decade, the population had reached 187 persons per square mile, was 301 in 1921 and 927 in 1998.[60] Lyallpur, renamed Faisalabad in the 1970s, is currently the third most prosperous city of Pakistan in terms of GDP per capita.[61]


    WHY IS DIS NOT TAUGHT IN INDIAN HISTORY BOOKS POST 1947? WHY DID THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT SWEEP THIS FACT OUT OF HISTORY? PUNJAB IS ONE OF THE MOST DEVELOPED STATE IN INDIA AS FAR AS AGRICULTURE IS CONCERNED AND IT SEEMS THE BRITISH RAJ WERE PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BUT MOST INDIANS BELIEVE IT WAS A POST 1947 PHENOMENON.

    HY IS DIS NOT TAUGHT IN INDIAN HISTORY BOOKS POST 1947?

    Malla my friend, I agree with you on many counts. Especially this one. The Hindus love to pretend that they were advanced, futuristic high-tech people before the WHYTE MAN stepped foot, or before MUSLIM INVADERS got there. They weren’t., They love to take pride in accomplishments that are not theirs. If they really were elite, utopian geniuses, they would’ve been easily able to devise a plan to repel so-called “uncivilized” “barbarian” christians and muzzies. This is why you see so much hatred in the comments section and in real life for christianity and the sorts

    • Replies: @Malla
    Agree with you 100%, dost.
  217. @BengaliCanadianDude

    HY IS DIS NOT TAUGHT IN INDIAN HISTORY BOOKS POST 1947?
     
    Malla my friend, I agree with you on many counts. Especially this one. The Hindus love to pretend that they were advanced, futuristic high-tech people before the WHYTE MAN stepped foot, or before MUSLIM INVADERS got there. They weren't., They love to take pride in accomplishments that are not theirs. If they really were elite, utopian geniuses, they would've been easily able to devise a plan to repel so-called "uncivilized" "barbarian" christians and muzzies. This is why you see so much hatred in the comments section and in real life for christianity and the sorts

    Agree with you 100%, dost.

  218. @SAC
    I think he is giving us the truth no one had earlier shed any light on. Asians mostly Indo -Pak subcontinent in reply to Brits anti immigration wave in the UK in the 80's said "we are here because you were there". If you study history Brits, Belgian, German occupation & colonization of countries in Asia, Africa etc & the riches they plundered & transferred from there including creating a superficial social class yes gives people of these countries a right to immigrate, kind of reparation. By the by is not President Trumps forefathers from Germany? What made them migrate to the USA? Any idea that Apple co-owner Jobs father is a Syrian does it make Jobs a Syrian? Would USA banish Apple from its soil?

    & the riches they plundered & transferred from there including creating a superficial social class yes gives people of these countries a right to immigrate, kind of reparation.

    There was no riches plundered.

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