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From Buzzfeed:

The Anxiety Of Being Marco Rubio

Rubio’s flustered debate performance revealed something his close friends and allies have long known about him. “Marco, calm down.” This story is partially adapted from my book, The Wilderness.

posted on Feb. 9, 2016, at 4:00 a.m.

McKay Coppins
BuzzFeed Staff

… But more than age, record, or wardrobe, it is Rubio’s natural nervousness that makes him seem to so many who know him like he is swimming in his dad’s sport coat. ..

This hemming and hawing continued into his Senate career, especially after 2012 when high-powered political allies in Miami began lobbying him to join the Senate’s bipartisan push to overhaul immigration.

Sympathetic to the cause but wary of the politics, Rubio went back and forth for weeks, talking through an endless loop of pros and cons, and agonizing over every potential pitfall. To his supporters at the Biltmore — a Miami political hub where he had long ago earned the diminutive nickname Marquito — there was little patience for his trademark tentativeness.

Ten valor, Marquito! came the refrain from the Biltmore chorus. Have courage!

“What’s the point of having political capital if you’re never going to use it?” Ana Navarro, a GOP commentator (and current Bush supporter), demanded during one early conversation with Rubio.

That Rubio made the wrong decision on a very important matter is something I already knew. That he recognized that it was an important matter and was much more worried than the people around him that it was the wrong decision raises my evaluation of him a little.

I realize that you are supposed to assume that the Miami Conquistador-American Republicans who lunch at the Biltmore with Rubio are better than normal Republicans because they are Diverse! But there’s something a little weird about the GOP Establishment’s urge to hand over the GOP to people with Cuban ties (Rubio, Cruz, or Bush via business) just because Cubans are the only Diverse people Republicans have got. I mean, if Cubans were such great politicians, wouldn’t they still have their own country?

“He just lets these little things get to him, and he worries too much,” a Miami Republican complained after spending close to an hour sitting next to Rubio on a flight as he fretted over a mildly critical process story about him in the National Journal. “I’m just like, ‘Marco, calm down.’”

Even Jeb Bush Jr. expressed frustration with Rubio in an interview with BuzzFeed News late in 2012. “He’s got to actually execute and get something done, rather than just talking,” he grumbled.

When Rubio did eventually commit to joining the Gang of Eight he went all in, eagerly blitzing conservative media to sell the effort, convinced that his star power would ultimately win over the Right.

Instead, his pitch was met with an organized right-wing backlash and an onslaught of weaponized memes (like the “Marcophone”) designed to advance a campaign of misinformation.

Feeling cornered, Rubio ordered his office in a fit of pique to push back hard against the right-wingers spreading false information. His aides churned out statements debunking “myths” about the immigration bill and calling out conservative reporters by name for perpetuating them. Rubio himself became testy during interviews and obsessed with correcting the record at the expense of all else. This strategy only inflamed the opposition, and before long his national favorability rating had plummeted among Republicans, while tea partyers were practically hoisting pitchforks in protest of his ideological betrayal. Rubio was distraught.

“To hear the worry, anxiety, and growing anger in the voices of so many people who helped me get elected to the Senate, who I agree with on virtually every other issue, has been a real trial for me,” he admitted in a speech the day before the bill passed the Senate.

In private, Rubio looked like he was mourning the death of his career (or at least his White House dreams) as he plodded through the fallout, aides recalled. And once it became clear there was no chance of the legislation becoming law, the senator pulled a one-eighty and publicly withdrew his support for the bill.

An alternative interpretation is that Rubio was right to be extremely nervous that signing on with Chuck Schumer on immigration could backfire disastrously on his career. But Rubio is surrounded by Miami Republicans to whom turning America into Latin America Norte is not a worry but a goal, so their cluelessness eventually wore down his political instincts.

An alternative history would be Rubio taking the opposite route and becoming the face of opposition to Schumer’s amnesty bill. This would have set up a war with Jeb over immigration. A war with Jeb over immigration is, we now know, a war any Republican candidate should have wanted.

Rubio rather than Trump would have gotten credit for ending Jeb’s political career.

Alternatively, he could have kept a low profile on amnesty.

Rubio may still win the GOP nomination, but either alternative history pathway would likely have been much easier. So Rubio was right to be nervous.

 
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  1. What evidence is there that Rubio has -any- political instincts? Just sayin’.

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    Well, we have his word for it that he is an expert in the foreign policy area. We can cite his continued support for the Iraq War (unlike Jeb!!!, he hasn't abandoned Jeb!!!'s brother, GWB), his support for the Libyan War (if only we had followed his advice and armed the "good rebels" earlier the overthrow of Qaddafi would have turned out well), and his advocacy of "no-fly zones" over Syria as evidence of his expertise in this area.
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  2. Mr. Anon says:

    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

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    good call on the Dolenz reference !!
    , @FX Enderby
    Marco looks like Lyle Menendez - you know the older of the 2 Menendez brothers that killed their parents and almost got away with it? I went to school with Lyle. He's half Cuban and has the same receding hairline as Marco.
    , @Trelane
    Rubio looks like this guy --->>

    https://youtu.be/sUzs5dlLrm0?t=9


    I'm a Monkeys fan and I disagree

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?
     
    Mickey Dolenz wrote and sang "Randy Scouse Git". Let's not even go there.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    He looks more like he should be running for president of the student counsel.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig
     
    Just after reading this this morning, I walked past the bar in my building, and playing was "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone", sung by Dolenz, and written, like many Monkees hits, by Bobby Hart and Tommy Boyce. Boyce, like Del Shannon, blew his brains out with a shotgun years later.

    Forgive the tangent to a tangent, but can foreshadowings of suicide be seen in a songwriter's work years before? Shannon admitted that the runaway who inspired "Runaway" was himself; he was quite the coward. His other hit was the pathetically cucky and mercifully forgotten "Hats Off to Larry".

    Badfinger much preferred Harry Nilsson's cover of "Without You" to their low-key original. Harry sang like he was about to jump off the RCA Building, which is the style the band really wanted for their version but was talked out of. Pete Ham, who wrote the song, hanged himself, as did a bandmate a few years later. (Are the Welsh particularly suicidal?)

    Are there any intimations of self-destruction in the Monkees œuvre? Did Hart restrain Boyce as Lennon and McCartney restrained each other? Boyce and Hart's only hit of their own, "Him or Me, What's It Gonna Be?", is decidedly non-cuck.

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  3. Clyde says:

    Marco Robotio_
    Nervous due to trying to keep his lies straight. Limbaugh has said this is why Obama is our first teleprompter president. Easier for Hussein O to keep his lies and spin organized when he reads from scripts written by flunkies. Plus this does away with nervousness triggered by uncertainty.

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  4. Rubio was conflicted not by the dishonesty of his contradictory positions. No, Rubio was conflicted by whether his dishonesty would be exposed before he could move to the next higher level. That level is what he aspires to now – the presidency of the United States!

    No, Marco, we are not all Cubans now – and we do not want to bring the Spanish Empire’s mores to the USA.

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  5. “Calm down, don’t worry so much,” said Marco’s friends as they kicked the props out from under his political career.

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  6. bomag says:

    “What’s the point of having political capital if you’re never going to use it?” Ana Navarro, a GOP commentator (and current Bush supporter), demanded during one early conversation with Rubio.

    Pretty telling. One can’t just do the right thing; one must build up cred so they can stab their supporters in the front. Very nice.

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  7. marwan says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    good call on the Dolenz reference !!

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  9. Mr. Anon says:

    Whatever Rubio might have going for him, he’ll never have a totally funk-tastic campaign song like this:

    I wanna be like The Donald

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  10. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    How, exactly, does Ana Navarro make a living? Has she added any value to any Republican campaign ever?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

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    Navarro fills the role first created by Colin Powell, that of the nominal Republican who lives off of criticizing other Republicans. In essence, this is what the term RINO originally meant.

    I don't think there are enough white leftists to win a Democratic Party nomination, against a determined effort by the establishment with its superdelegates. The growth in Sanders support is due to his agreement with Trump's character attacks on the Clintons. While the average D primary voter is very economically leftist, their main angle is virtue signaling against the Rs. It started with Hofstadter. Without Trump and the email server scandal, Bernie would have done as well as Bill Bradley in 2000.

    On a lesser degree, the Ds have noted that since 1948, they can't win without strong non-white support. Those voters are united only in opposing YT, they aren't going to turnout en masse for socialism. I expect that Clinton backers will use this argument if Sanders makes the race competitive all the way to the convention.
    , @Clyde

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?
     
    He would be doing 10 points better and I would have a campaign slogan for him: Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our "free trade" policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    Like Ann Coulter has been saying. Immigration is irreversible unlike other problems were new laws can get rid of destructive ones. Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation

    , @AndrewR
    Leftists would engage in every sort of factual contortion to claim that open borders are compatible with a strong welfare state. Then they'd call him a racist.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal...
     
    As in "high-sticked"?

    There's a vaguely S&M sound to this. What does Bernie have in his closet?
    , @Thomas O. Meehan
    Anna Navarro has a teaching gig at Harvard….Kennedy School? She is trying to be shift to Rubio at the moment. It's funny to see her lose weight during her patrons campaign seasons while revert to chunky moma on the off years.
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  11. Dumbo says:

    I liked Ron Paul. Too bad he’s too old now. His son sucks.

    I never saw the appeal of Rubio.

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    Fresh-faced good-looking "nice young man" plus marginally an ethnic minority to boot. It's [the current year], duh!
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  12. Wilkey says:

    “his pitch was met with an organized right-wing backlash and an onslaught of weaponized memes (like the “Marcophone”) designed to advance a campaign of misinformation.”

    Yeah, ’cause ya know that if there’s anything the cheap labor lobby is known for, it’s for their rock solid integrity.

    They’ve been getting caught in their lies repeatedly since at least 1986, and they’ve never once apologized for it. And when their fallacies are pointed out to them they may apologize, but they’ll come back the next day repeating the same old lines.

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  13. Wilkey says:

    The scary thing is that Rubio could probably have won the presidential nomination if he’d just kept his mouth shut. He was pretty pro-open borders while in the Florida legislature, and his patrons would have tolerated a term in the Senate pretending to be against amnesty, knowing that he was just biding his time.

    With the end of Bush’s campaign, Rubio may now be almost tied with Trump. A Kasich exit may actually launch Rubio into the lead. All that remains is to see what happens with the Trump/Rubio/Carson side of the equation. If anti-establishment side never consolidates, Rubio could end up with a string of “wins” never having won more than 40% in a single state.

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    Another take:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/701641373661929472
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  14. rod1963 says:

    Rubio is the proverbial airhead pol and he knows it. Without the protection of the RNC, CofC and FoxNews, he’d have been gutted a long time ago.

    His main appeal is that he cleans up well and gives a great canned speech. He makes the comfortable class feel comforted. However as Chris Cristie proved the airhead falls apart in debates as he lacks the wits, he just stutters and sputters like a broken motor.

    Still it should be interesting once Trump turns his attention to this Cuban water boy and immigration lobby meat puppet.

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    "Still it should be interesting once Trump turns his attention to this Cuban water boy and immigration lobby meat puppet."

    Ha! That's brutal. And funny. And true.
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    over the next month trump will start attacking him during debates like he did Jeb, and then you will see the MarcoBot REALLY start sweating…trump will have his cojones in a jar before april

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  16. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Wilkey
    The scary thing is that Rubio could probably have won the presidential nomination if he'd just kept his mouth shut. He was pretty pro-open borders while in the Florida legislature, and his patrons would have tolerated a term in the Senate pretending to be against amnesty, knowing that he was just biding his time.

    With the end of Bush's campaign, Rubio may now be almost tied with Trump. A Kasich exit may actually launch Rubio into the lead. All that remains is to see what happens with the Trump/Rubio/Carson side of the equation. If anti-establishment side never consolidates, Rubio could end up with a string of "wins" never having won more than 40% in a single state.

    Another take:

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    Rubio supposedly does better among college educated voters (I, for one, would be very interested in seeing a breakdown by college major). So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state. But he still never approaches a majority of Republican voters.
    , @AndrewR
    That pic...
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  17. Maj. Kong says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    How, exactly, does Ana Navarro make a living? Has she added any value to any Republican campaign ever?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn't flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn't possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

    Navarro fills the role first created by Colin Powell, that of the nominal Republican who lives off of criticizing other Republicans. In essence, this is what the term RINO originally meant.

    I don’t think there are enough white leftists to win a Democratic Party nomination, against a determined effort by the establishment with its superdelegates. The growth in Sanders support is due to his agreement with Trump’s character attacks on the Clintons. While the average D primary voter is very economically leftist, their main angle is virtue signaling against the Rs. It started with Hofstadter. Without Trump and the email server scandal, Bernie would have done as well as Bill Bradley in 2000.

    On a lesser degree, the Ds have noted that since 1948, they can’t win without strong non-white support. Those voters are united only in opposing YT, they aren’t going to turnout en masse for socialism. I expect that Clinton backers will use this argument if Sanders makes the race competitive all the way to the convention.

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  18. Mr. Anon says:
    @rod1963
    Rubio is the proverbial airhead pol and he knows it. Without the protection of the RNC, CofC and FoxNews, he'd have been gutted a long time ago.

    His main appeal is that he cleans up well and gives a great canned speech. He makes the comfortable class feel comforted. However as Chris Cristie proved the airhead falls apart in debates as he lacks the wits, he just stutters and sputters like a broken motor.

    Still it should be interesting once Trump turns his attention to this Cuban water boy and immigration lobby meat puppet.

    “Still it should be interesting once Trump turns his attention to this Cuban water boy and immigration lobby meat puppet.”

    Ha! That’s brutal. And funny. And true.

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  19. Don’t you just love watching two Cubans argue over who hates Mexicans more?

    If Rubio wins the nomination, I say we all stay home and let the Seahag win. #Trump2020

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  20. @Mr. Anon
    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    Marco looks like Lyle Menendez – you know the older of the 2 Menendez brothers that killed their parents and almost got away with it? I went to school with Lyle. He’s half Cuban and has the same receding hairline as Marco.

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    Marco looks like Lyle Menendez
     
    I say he looks like a dead ringer for "The Boy Who Shot Gianni Versace".

    The notorious gay rent boy spree killer known as Andrew Cunanan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cunanan

    , @slumber_j
    My wife went to elementary school with Lyle Menendez at Princeton Day School. His pet ferrets contributed to what she says was the creepy milieu at the Menendez household, although she also says Lyle himself was well-liked.
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  21. Gee Marcophone rhymes with Maricón.

    Were they trying to tell us anything we did not already suspect???

    http://www.queerty.com/are-these-photos-of-marco-rubio-at-a-gay-miami-foam-party-20160202

    In case you have not seen this yet here is Rubio trying very hard to dismiss the jokes over his taste in boots, including white ones, by mentioning his attendance at “Miami Foam Parties” while trying to pick up Jimmy Fallon.

    Marco Rubio Addresses His Boot Heel Controversy

    Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only “suspending” his campaign after all.

    Oh My!!!

    Or given Marquito’s status as just a Neocon stooge, should we say

    Oy Vey!!!!

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    "Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only “suspending” his campaign after all. "

    Or perhaps he was just doing what other politicians have done when they decide to drop out of the race: they "suspend" their candidacies. Bush is just the latest in a long line of politicians who have "suspended" their campaigns, never to be heard from again. According to Wikipedia, "On June 30, 2015, Christie announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election. He suspended his candidacy on February 10, 2016." There are probably technical, legal reasons for "suspending" a campaign rather than just "ending" a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted. Here is what one site says:

    "suspended campaign

    Federal law does not define or officially recognize the act of a presidential candidate “suspending” their campaign instead of formally ending it.
    CNN: “Practically speaking, if a candidate removes him- or herself from the race without the intent of re-entering at a later date, then there is not a big difference between ‘suspending’ a campaign vs. dropping out entirely. The end result is usually the same: the candidate is no longer seeking that particular office… That said, there are two main differences between ‘suspending’ and ending a presidential campaign: delegates and money.”

    Candidates who suspend their campaigns usually get to keep any delegates they’ve won and can continue to raise money beyond what’s needed to retire their campaign debts. In contrast, candidates who actually drop out of a race, usually have to forfeit certain delegates and are limited in how they can raise future funds.

    Slate: “The phrase has been employed at least as far back as the 1970s and continues to serve as the most popular way for candidates to end their primary bids without closing down their campaign committees.” "

    I find it interesting that Christie, unlike others, has not yet endorsed another candidate, to the best of my knowledge. Nor has Jeb!!!
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Or should I say.

    Oy Gay!!!!
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  22. tbraton says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    What evidence is there that Rubio has -any- political instincts? Just sayin'.

    Well, we have his word for it that he is an expert in the foreign policy area. We can cite his continued support for the Iraq War (unlike Jeb!!!, he hasn’t abandoned Jeb!!!’s brother, GWB), his support for the Libyan War (if only we had followed his advice and armed the “good rebels” earlier the overthrow of Qaddafi would have turned out well), and his advocacy of “no-fly zones” over Syria as evidence of his expertise in this area.

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  23. @FX Enderby
    Marco looks like Lyle Menendez - you know the older of the 2 Menendez brothers that killed their parents and almost got away with it? I went to school with Lyle. He's half Cuban and has the same receding hairline as Marco.

    Marco looks like Lyle Menendez

    I say he looks like a dead ringer for “The Boy Who Shot Gianni Versace”.

    The notorious gay rent boy spree killer known as Andrew Cunanan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cunanan

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  24. Trelane says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    Rubio looks like this guy —>>

    I’m a Monkeys fan and I disagree

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  25. Now I know Alex Jones is the “controlled opposition” conspiracy theorist creation of the ultra Zionist neocon and Ted Cruz backer Jeff Smulyan of “Emmis” (Truth in Yiddish) Communications.

    But still you can not ignore this interview of Wayne Madsen on Rubio.

    Madsen.Marco Rubio exposed by Wayne Madsen (With original news report of gay porn site friend)

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  26. tbraton says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    Gee Marcophone rhymes with Maricón.

    Were they trying to tell us anything we did not already suspect???

    http://www.queerty.com/are-these-photos-of-marco-rubio-at-a-gay-miami-foam-party-20160202

    In case you have not seen this yet here is Rubio trying very hard to dismiss the jokes over his taste in boots, including white ones, by mentioning his attendance at "Miami Foam Parties" while trying to pick up Jimmy Fallon.

    Marco Rubio Addresses His Boot Heel Controversy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YCEmDZPnbU

    Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only "suspending" his campaign after all.

    Oh My!!!

    Or given Marquito's status as just a Neocon stooge, should we say

    Oy Vey!!!!

    “Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only “suspending” his campaign after all. ”

    Or perhaps he was just doing what other politicians have done when they decide to drop out of the race: they “suspend” their candidacies. Bush is just the latest in a long line of politicians who have “suspended” their campaigns, never to be heard from again. According to Wikipedia, “On June 30, 2015, Christie announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election. He suspended his candidacy on February 10, 2016.” There are probably technical, legal reasons for “suspending” a campaign rather than just “ending” a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted. Here is what one site says:

    “suspended campaign

    Federal law does not define or officially recognize the act of a presidential candidate “suspending” their campaign instead of formally ending it.
    CNN: “Practically speaking, if a candidate removes him- or herself from the race without the intent of re-entering at a later date, then there is not a big difference between ‘suspending’ a campaign vs. dropping out entirely. The end result is usually the same: the candidate is no longer seeking that particular office… That said, there are two main differences between ‘suspending’ and ending a presidential campaign: delegates and money.”

    Candidates who suspend their campaigns usually get to keep any delegates they’ve won and can continue to raise money beyond what’s needed to retire their campaign debts. In contrast, candidates who actually drop out of a race, usually have to forfeit certain delegates and are limited in how they can raise future funds.

    Slate: “The phrase has been employed at least as far back as the 1970s and continues to serve as the most popular way for candidates to end their primary bids without closing down their campaign committees.” ”

    I find it interesting that Christie, unlike others, has not yet endorsed another candidate, to the best of my knowledge. Nor has Jeb!!!

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    A further note. By "suspending" his campaign, Bush gets to retain his delegates. He has a total of four, one from Iowa and 3 from NH. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html
    He may prove a kingmaker yet if the race is really tight at the end.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Do I think the "Jeb Zeppelin" once crashed will ever rise again???

    Hell No!!!

    But like I said yesterday, there is no way that Rubio campaign is going to be able to take on all the money grubbing, filet mignon eating, cigar smoking, single malt guzzling Conservative Inc crapweasel hacks that burned through 120 million of Jeb's money to only get single digit vote counts.

    Some of these jokers, especially the diehard loyal Bushies and Mexican aligned Conquistador American wannabees are going to be sore losers and more than willing to spill the beans on Rubio's rent boy past.

    Don't think for a minute that the Jebster is not still entertaining being the choice of the Republican Establishment in a brokered convention.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    There are probably technical, legal reasons for “suspending” a campaign rather than just “ending” a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted
     
    Paul Tsongas reentered the race in 1992.
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  27. Wilkey says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Another take:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/701641373661929472

    Rubio supposedly does better among college educated voters (I, for one, would be very interested in seeing a breakdown by college major). So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state. But he still never approaches a majority of Republican voters.

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    Trump did best among college educated voters in South Carolina. Rubio was second, and Cruz was third. I'm posting from my phone, so no link, but it was a Vox article if you want to look it up.
    , @Anonymous

    So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state.
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ma/massachusetts_republican_presidential_primary-5205.html

    Trump 50%, Rubio 16%

    There us no better educated state than Massachusetts
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  28. Daniel H says:

    >>“What’s the point of having political capital if you’re never going to use it?” Ana Navarro, a GOP commentator (and current Bush supporter), demanded during one early conversation with Rubio.

    Ironic comment coming from a Bush supporter. I recall that after G.W. Bush won reelection, regarding his push for immigration “reform”, he stated that he had earned some political capital and intended to spend it. How did that work out George? How did that work out Jeb? Seems that immigration “reform” broke the bank of political capital for the Bush dynasty.

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  29. Clyde says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    How, exactly, does Ana Navarro make a living? Has she added any value to any Republican campaign ever?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn't flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn't possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

    He would be doing 10 points better and I would have a campaign slogan for him: Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our “free trade” policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    Like Ann Coulter has been saying. Immigration is irreversible unlike other problems were new laws can get rid of destructive ones. Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation

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    For example, we still have 5.000-10,000 Central American unaccompanied minors flooding in per month. The media no longer reports this. This would hurt Hillary's election. They are being taken to military bases to be housed. Good luck sending these street urchins and rural Indians back to Guatemala etc. This bleeding will continue as long as Hussein is in the White House, until January 20th 2017. These minors are being classified as refugees from Central American gang violence and are coached to tell lies about this.
    , @(((Owen)))

    Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our “free trade” policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.
     
    It seems likely, but Democratic activists are much more unforgiving. A Bernie that stuck to his original A grade NRA and immigration positions would be formidable in a general election.

    But those supposedly-progressive Democratic liberal voters are focused like a laser on cultural warfare issues. The history of the last Vermont Democrat to compete for the presidency is informative. Howard Dean was taken down for his pro-gun record more than any other issue. The anti-Iraq war people peeled away when their hero was shown to hate rural white people too little. You should have seen the fury when he talked about winning the votes of guys with gun racks on their pickups.

    And the Democrats ended up backing the Iraq war with Kerry and lost badly an election that was dead easy to win with anyone who told the truth about the war.

    If Republicans can hold it together, they're going to make the Democrats lose one more time over the Iraq war this year. Hillary is a key enabler of the social signalling over policy Democrats and her hands are as dirty as the Bushes'.
    , @Anonymous

    Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation.
     
    Isn't Rubio an "anchor baby?" His parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born in Florida in 1971. Also, is Rubio a "natural-born citizen" as understood from English common law?

    I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned.
    , @a Newsreader
    "Socialism in one country!"

    I don't think the Democrats would choose a slogan that reminds people of Stalinism. Since the 60s, they haven't been sympatico. A more appropriate slogan would be "Socialism with American characteristics."

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  30. tbraton says:
    @tbraton
    "Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only “suspending” his campaign after all. "

    Or perhaps he was just doing what other politicians have done when they decide to drop out of the race: they "suspend" their candidacies. Bush is just the latest in a long line of politicians who have "suspended" their campaigns, never to be heard from again. According to Wikipedia, "On June 30, 2015, Christie announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election. He suspended his candidacy on February 10, 2016." There are probably technical, legal reasons for "suspending" a campaign rather than just "ending" a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted. Here is what one site says:

    "suspended campaign

    Federal law does not define or officially recognize the act of a presidential candidate “suspending” their campaign instead of formally ending it.
    CNN: “Practically speaking, if a candidate removes him- or herself from the race without the intent of re-entering at a later date, then there is not a big difference between ‘suspending’ a campaign vs. dropping out entirely. The end result is usually the same: the candidate is no longer seeking that particular office… That said, there are two main differences between ‘suspending’ and ending a presidential campaign: delegates and money.”

    Candidates who suspend their campaigns usually get to keep any delegates they’ve won and can continue to raise money beyond what’s needed to retire their campaign debts. In contrast, candidates who actually drop out of a race, usually have to forfeit certain delegates and are limited in how they can raise future funds.

    Slate: “The phrase has been employed at least as far back as the 1970s and continues to serve as the most popular way for candidates to end their primary bids without closing down their campaign committees.” "

    I find it interesting that Christie, unlike others, has not yet endorsed another candidate, to the best of my knowledge. Nor has Jeb!!!

    A further note. By “suspending” his campaign, Bush gets to retain his delegates. He has a total of four, one from Iowa and 3 from NH. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html
    He may prove a kingmaker yet if the race is really tight at the end.

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  31. @tbraton
    "Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only “suspending” his campaign after all. "

    Or perhaps he was just doing what other politicians have done when they decide to drop out of the race: they "suspend" their candidacies. Bush is just the latest in a long line of politicians who have "suspended" their campaigns, never to be heard from again. According to Wikipedia, "On June 30, 2015, Christie announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election. He suspended his candidacy on February 10, 2016." There are probably technical, legal reasons for "suspending" a campaign rather than just "ending" a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted. Here is what one site says:

    "suspended campaign

    Federal law does not define or officially recognize the act of a presidential candidate “suspending” their campaign instead of formally ending it.
    CNN: “Practically speaking, if a candidate removes him- or herself from the race without the intent of re-entering at a later date, then there is not a big difference between ‘suspending’ a campaign vs. dropping out entirely. The end result is usually the same: the candidate is no longer seeking that particular office… That said, there are two main differences between ‘suspending’ and ending a presidential campaign: delegates and money.”

    Candidates who suspend their campaigns usually get to keep any delegates they’ve won and can continue to raise money beyond what’s needed to retire their campaign debts. In contrast, candidates who actually drop out of a race, usually have to forfeit certain delegates and are limited in how they can raise future funds.

    Slate: “The phrase has been employed at least as far back as the 1970s and continues to serve as the most popular way for candidates to end their primary bids without closing down their campaign committees.” "

    I find it interesting that Christie, unlike others, has not yet endorsed another candidate, to the best of my knowledge. Nor has Jeb!!!

    Do I think the “Jeb Zeppelin” once crashed will ever rise again???

    Hell No!!!

    But like I said yesterday, there is no way that Rubio campaign is going to be able to take on all the money grubbing, filet mignon eating, cigar smoking, single malt guzzling Conservative Inc crapweasel hacks that burned through 120 million of Jeb’s money to only get single digit vote counts.

    Some of these jokers, especially the diehard loyal Bushies and Mexican aligned Conquistador American wannabees are going to be sore losers and more than willing to spill the beans on Rubio’s rent boy past.

    Don’t think for a minute that the Jebster is not still entertaining being the choice of the Republican Establishment in a brokered convention.

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  32. Irishman says:

    Hard to believe that the potentially next president is allowing himself to be treated like the help.

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  33. Clyde says:
    @Clyde

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?
     
    He would be doing 10 points better and I would have a campaign slogan for him: Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our "free trade" policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    Like Ann Coulter has been saying. Immigration is irreversible unlike other problems were new laws can get rid of destructive ones. Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation

    For example, we still have 5.000-10,000 Central American unaccompanied minors flooding in per month. The media no longer reports this. This would hurt Hillary’s election. They are being taken to military bases to be housed. Good luck sending these street urchins and rural Indians back to Guatemala etc. This bleeding will continue as long as Hussein is in the White House, until January 20th 2017. These minors are being classified as refugees from Central American gang violence and are coached to tell lies about this.

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  34. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Gee Marcophone rhymes with Maricón.

    Were they trying to tell us anything we did not already suspect???

    http://www.queerty.com/are-these-photos-of-marco-rubio-at-a-gay-miami-foam-party-20160202

    In case you have not seen this yet here is Rubio trying very hard to dismiss the jokes over his taste in boots, including white ones, by mentioning his attendance at "Miami Foam Parties" while trying to pick up Jimmy Fallon.

    Marco Rubio Addresses His Boot Heel Controversy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YCEmDZPnbU

    Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only "suspending" his campaign after all.

    Oh My!!!

    Or given Marquito's status as just a Neocon stooge, should we say

    Oy Vey!!!!

    Or should I say.

    Oy Gay!!!!

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  35. 5371 says:

    Someone or other – call him Churchill if you like – said of someone else that he was a modest man with much to be modest about. Considering the number of skeletons rattling away in Boobio’s closet – gay sex, credit card fraud, links to drug trafficking – one might adapt that saying to call him a nervous man with much to be nervous about.

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  36. Castro’s army numbered 17. And the brave courageous Cuba people ran for their lives in the hundreds of thousands. Talk about a nation of cowards.

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  37. NickG says:

    Rubio oozes lightweight as well as a tad light in the loafers!
    Jeb! – deer in headlights beta-male, and yes, ‘low energy’
    Cruz – Arsehole*
    Christie – Competent but doomed
    The Donald – Alpha male shitlord – and the most entertaining thing in politics either side of the Atlantic in the last 70 years.

    * British spelling

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  38. I mean, if Cubans were such great politicians, wouldn’t they still have their own country?

    That’s a good question. Why should Americans hand the United States over to a people who can’t even run their own Caribbean island? Even the all-inclusive resorts there are run by the Spanish.

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  39. One missing part of the calculation of Rubio’s Choice is that had he not backed the Gang of Ocho then Rubio would be a political leper to the Establishment and would never be running for President right now. He would have been relegated to Jeff Session’s sphere of influence. Right now, today, that is a place many politicians would love to be. But back in the day, Sessions was considered a lone-wolf dinosaur from a bygone era.

    In order for Rubio to choose an immigration-restrictionist position, he would have needed to anticipate the rise of Trump. While Marine Le Pen had proven there was obvious nationalist political opportunity laying on the sidewalks in 1st world countries, not too many people realized just how effectively Trump would swoop in and hoover it all up.

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  40. AndrewR says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    How, exactly, does Ana Navarro make a living? Has she added any value to any Republican campaign ever?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn't flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn't possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

    Leftists would engage in every sort of factual contortion to claim that open borders are compatible with a strong welfare state. Then they’d call him a racist.

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  41. AndrewR says:
    @Dumbo
    I liked Ron Paul. Too bad he's too old now. His son sucks.

    I never saw the appeal of Rubio.

    Fresh-faced good-looking “nice young man” plus marginally an ethnic minority to boot. It’s [the current year], duh!

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  42. AndrewR says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Another take:
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/701641373661929472

    That pic…

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  43. The Z Blog says: • Website

    The Cruz – Rubio divide is interesting to me. Cruz is genuinely disliked by his party and he has irritated a large swath of the party commentariat. Rubio is beloved by the party and most of their spokesmen. Rich Lwry has a special blow up doll made that looks just like Marco. The thing is, why is one sacred brown guy loved and the hated?

    My hunch is that one reason is Cruz is an unabashed Evangelical. The Acela Corridor types hate Christians in general, but they really hate Evangelicals. The main reason though is Marco fit s the image of the idealized Hispanic, the Magic Coconut, while Cruz does not. Frankly, Rubio is much more of a step and fetch it while Cruz is quite arrogant.

    When you think of diversity, anti-racism and multiculturalism as religious tenets, this stuff makes more sense. These Republicans lusting after Rubio are looking for grace so they overlook a lot about Rubio. Cruz offers less in the way of confirmation so he’s been treated as a Canadian, rather than a Cuban.

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    When you think of diversity, anti-racism and multiculturalism as religious tenets, this stuff makes more sense. These Republicans lusting after Rubio are looking for grace so they overlook a lot about Rubio. Cruz offers less in the way of confirmation so he’s been treated as a Canadian, rather than a Cuban.

     

    Yes, exactly. 'Looking for grace' is the real motivation behind many political stances and actions.
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  44. jon says:
    @Wilkey
    Rubio supposedly does better among college educated voters (I, for one, would be very interested in seeing a breakdown by college major). So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state. But he still never approaches a majority of Republican voters.

    Trump did best among college educated voters in South Carolina. Rubio was second, and Cruz was third. I’m posting from my phone, so no link, but it was a Vox article if you want to look it up.

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    Not really:

    http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Rep

    Among all college graduates Rubio beat Trump 27% to 25%.

    However, for those with strictly Bachelor's degrees Trump beat Rubio 29% to 24%. For those with post-graduate degrees (MBA's, doctors, lawyers, graduate degrees in engineering, Ph.Ds) Rubio dominated, 32% to 20%.

    On the other hand, among high school dropouts, Trump beat Rubio 45% to 16%.
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  45. slumber_j says:
    @FX Enderby
    Marco looks like Lyle Menendez - you know the older of the 2 Menendez brothers that killed their parents and almost got away with it? I went to school with Lyle. He's half Cuban and has the same receding hairline as Marco.

    My wife went to elementary school with Lyle Menendez at Princeton Day School. His pet ferrets contributed to what she says was the creepy milieu at the Menendez household, although she also says Lyle himself was well-liked.

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  46. @Clyde

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?
     
    He would be doing 10 points better and I would have a campaign slogan for him: Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our "free trade" policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    Like Ann Coulter has been saying. Immigration is irreversible unlike other problems were new laws can get rid of destructive ones. Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation

    Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our “free trade” policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    It seems likely, but Democratic activists are much more unforgiving. A Bernie that stuck to his original A grade NRA and immigration positions would be formidable in a general election.

    But those supposedly-progressive Democratic liberal voters are focused like a laser on cultural warfare issues. The history of the last Vermont Democrat to compete for the presidency is informative. Howard Dean was taken down for his pro-gun record more than any other issue. The anti-Iraq war people peeled away when their hero was shown to hate rural white people too little. You should have seen the fury when he talked about winning the votes of guys with gun racks on their pickups.

    And the Democrats ended up backing the Iraq war with Kerry and lost badly an election that was dead easy to win with anyone who told the truth about the war.

    If Republicans can hold it together, they’re going to make the Democrats lose one more time over the Iraq war this year. Hillary is a key enabler of the social signalling over policy Democrats and her hands are as dirty as the Bushes’.

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  47. @Mr. Anon
    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    Mickey Dolenz wrote and sang “Randy Scouse Git”. Let’s not even go there.

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    Well as a Randy Scouse Git, I've never liked Monkees.
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  48. @Dave Pinsen
    How, exactly, does Ana Navarro make a living? Has she added any value to any Republican campaign ever?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn't flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn't possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

    What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal…

    As in “high-sticked”?

    There’s a vaguely S&M sound to this. What does Bernie have in his closet?

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    Reg,

    You really 'sticked' it to me there.
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  49. Luke Lea says: • Website

    Marquito! Perfect.

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  50. @Mr. Anon
    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    He looks more like he should be running for president of the student counsel.

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  51. Rubio supported Obama’s executive Amnesty. I don’t care what he says on the campaign trail. His previous lies make that irrelevant. His first order in the white house will be amnesty and pushing through the now dead Gang of 8 bill.

    A vote for Rubio is a vote for Amnesty and Open borders. Its that simple.

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  52. Luke Lea says: • Website

    Based on this article I predict a deal between Trump and Rubio, with the 44 year old accepting VP slot as the surest way to insure his political future. It would lock up the nomination for Trump and, at the same time, build a bridge (of sorts) to the establishment in Congress. When will it happen? As soon as it is clear Rubio has no path to a majority of delegates or if and when it is clear that the only alternative is a bloody convention fight. Anybody want to bet a bottle of wine?

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    Not when that bottle is empty, as it is in this case
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  53. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Wilkey
    Rubio supposedly does better among college educated voters (I, for one, would be very interested in seeing a breakdown by college major). So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state. But he still never approaches a majority of Republican voters.

    So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ma/massachusetts_republican_presidential_primary-5205.html

    Trump 50%, Rubio 16%

    There us no better educated state than Massachusetts

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    I stand (gratefully) corrected.
    , @Brutusale
    The same old story. I can't tell you how many whispers of "I'm voting for Trump!" I've gotten from some folks not brave enough to be "out" about it.

    When you've got welfare clients averaging upwards of $52K per annum in benefits, in addition to the ever-burgeoning groups of wretched refuse washing up on our shore, there are more and more well-educated people seeing what's going on and voting accordingly.
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  54. @Luke Lea
    Based on this article I predict a deal between Trump and Rubio, with the 44 year old accepting VP slot as the surest way to insure his political future. It would lock up the nomination for Trump and, at the same time, build a bridge (of sorts) to the establishment in Congress. When will it happen? As soon as it is clear Rubio has no path to a majority of delegates or if and when it is clear that the only alternative is a bloody convention fight. Anybody want to bet a bottle of wine?

    Not when that bottle is empty, as it is in this case

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  55. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Clyde

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?
     
    He would be doing 10 points better and I would have a campaign slogan for him: Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our "free trade" policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    Like Ann Coulter has been saying. Immigration is irreversible unlike other problems were new laws can get rid of destructive ones. Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation

    Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation.

    Isn’t Rubio an “anchor baby?” His parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born in Florida in 1971. Also, is Rubio a “natural-born citizen” as understood from English common law?

    I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned.

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    Trump has actually question this.
    , @okie
    just look at the remaining 5, only Hilary and half each of Cruz and Trump had had parents born here. sign #995 that this country isn't for native born Americans anymore. think historically BHO was the first president since Andrew Jackson to have a foreign born parent and here we are now with a lock on the rep side and still a chance on the Dems. It its about the greasy pole only and not about fitting into the culture of the country cause that doesn't matter to the money men or the media.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned."

    Only recently. It never used to be the case. Yet another benefit of diversity - mistrust and civic discord.
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  56. @tbraton
    "Perhaps there is a reason that ¡Jeb¡ claimed he was only “suspending” his campaign after all. "

    Or perhaps he was just doing what other politicians have done when they decide to drop out of the race: they "suspend" their candidacies. Bush is just the latest in a long line of politicians who have "suspended" their campaigns, never to be heard from again. According to Wikipedia, "On June 30, 2015, Christie announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential election. He suspended his candidacy on February 10, 2016." There are probably technical, legal reasons for "suspending" a campaign rather than just "ending" a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted. Here is what one site says:

    "suspended campaign

    Federal law does not define or officially recognize the act of a presidential candidate “suspending” their campaign instead of formally ending it.
    CNN: “Practically speaking, if a candidate removes him- or herself from the race without the intent of re-entering at a later date, then there is not a big difference between ‘suspending’ a campaign vs. dropping out entirely. The end result is usually the same: the candidate is no longer seeking that particular office… That said, there are two main differences between ‘suspending’ and ending a presidential campaign: delegates and money.”

    Candidates who suspend their campaigns usually get to keep any delegates they’ve won and can continue to raise money beyond what’s needed to retire their campaign debts. In contrast, candidates who actually drop out of a race, usually have to forfeit certain delegates and are limited in how they can raise future funds.

    Slate: “The phrase has been employed at least as far back as the 1970s and continues to serve as the most popular way for candidates to end their primary bids without closing down their campaign committees.” "

    I find it interesting that Christie, unlike others, has not yet endorsed another candidate, to the best of my knowledge. Nor has Jeb!!!

    There are probably technical, legal reasons for “suspending” a campaign rather than just “ending” a campaign, but Ross Perot is the only candidate I can recall who resumed a campaign once halted

    Paul Tsongas reentered the race in 1992.

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  57. @Mr. Anon
    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?

    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig

    Just after reading this this morning, I walked past the bar in my building, and playing was “I’m Not Your Stepping Stone”, sung by Dolenz, and written, like many Monkees hits, by Bobby Hart and Tommy Boyce. Boyce, like Del Shannon, blew his brains out with a shotgun years later.

    Forgive the tangent to a tangent, but can foreshadowings of suicide be seen in a songwriter’s work years before? Shannon admitted that the runaway who inspired “Runaway” was himself; he was quite the coward. His other hit was the pathetically cucky and mercifully forgotten “Hats Off to Larry”.

    Badfinger much preferred Harry Nilsson’s cover of “Without You” to their low-key original. Harry sang like he was about to jump off the RCA Building, which is the style the band really wanted for their version but was talked out of. Pete Ham, who wrote the song, hanged himself, as did a bandmate a few years later. (Are the Welsh particularly suicidal?)

    Are there any intimations of self-destruction in the Monkees œuvre? Did Hart restrain Boyce as Lennon and McCartney restrained each other? Boyce and Hart’s only hit of their own, “Him or Me, What’s It Gonna Be?”, is decidedly non-cuck.

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  58. Thomas says:

    We need to dispel the myth that Marco Rubio didn’t know what he was doing, he knew exactly what he was doing, he just didn’t have the guts to stand up to his puppetmasters.

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    We need to dispel the myth
     
    Dispel with the myth!
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  59. @Reg Cæsar

    Is America ready for a President who looks like a cross between Mickey Dolenz and Walter Koenig?
     
    Mickey Dolenz wrote and sang "Randy Scouse Git". Let's not even go there.

    Well as a Randy Scouse Git, I’ve never liked Monkees.

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  60. @Clyde

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn’t flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn’t possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?
     
    He would be doing 10 points better and I would have a campaign slogan for him: Socialism in one country! If he was serious about closing down all immigration and refugees for ten years and reversing our "free trade" policies and treaties I would vote for him over a Marco Rubio or John Kaisich Republican candidate.

    Like Ann Coulter has been saying. Immigration is irreversible unlike other problems were new laws can get rid of destructive ones. Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation

    “Socialism in one country!”

    I don’t think the Democrats would choose a slogan that reminds people of Stalinism. Since the 60s, they haven’t been sympatico. A more appropriate slogan would be “Socialism with American characteristics.”

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  61. this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    “I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would’ve been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn’t have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy.”

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    Sorry, Elon, the ends don't jusitfy the means.

    Changed the world - what an ego. Are any of those companies ones we couldn't live without?

    I'm tired of getting harassed by Solar City every time I go to Best Buy or Costco. If anything seems like a scam it's getting the full court press to go solar at every turn.

    Teslas are the new status car du jour in my neck of Orange County (though, Range Rover is having a resurgence here, too) but most of the drivers are dicks.

    I've read Space X is a slave shop that pays low and expects horrific amounts of overtime from its workers. They also don't like to hire experienced engineers.
    , @iSteveFan
    So Musk up and left South Africa and denied the new majority-ruled South Africans of his talent. How much better off would they be if he had developed those companies and jobs for his fellow South Africans?

    We are told nowadays that white flight is evil. That white flight takes economic capital out of the cities and leaves the minorities without any chance of economic opportunity, e.g. Detroit. Hasn't Musk done the same thing, but on a larger scale? Why is he not being condemned and run out of town? Instead he is boasting of his white flight.
    , @CJ
    Is that actually from Musk? Not particularly a Musk fan, but is there any confirmation that it's really him?
    , @Anonymous
    Musk was not an illegal immigrant. He had J1 visa, then H1b, all as a Canadian citizen. Then, evidently, Green Card, which eventually allowed him to apply for US citizenship.
    http://www.snopes.com/elon-musk-illegal-immigrant/
    , @Brian Reilly
    Do we get a choice of zero illegal aliens or the contributions of Elon Musk? If so, I will take the zero illegal aliens.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    “I am Elon Musk. I am a white-male of north-western European heritage. My father was an Englishman who owned part of an emerald mine in Africa worked by the natives. I was educated in exclusive boarding schools. If Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, people like me would be allowed immigrate while the worlds underclass would be excluded. I would’ve founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City and you also would not have the millions of illegals burdening your society."
    , @Anon2016
    "I am an illiterate Mestizo. My IQ is about 85. I drive drunk and run over law-abiding American citizens. I smuggle drugs into the country. I visit your emergency rooms and receive free health care while you struggle to pay health insurance premiums. My children receive subsidized tuition and preferential treatment while yours struggle for scraps of what's left of the middle class economy. "
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  62. @Dave Pinsen
    How, exactly, does Ana Navarro make a living? Has she added any value to any Republican campaign ever?

    On immigration, the other alternative history pathway worth considering is what if Bernie Sanders didn't flip back to open borders? What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal, and pointed out that the more generous welfare state his followers want isn't possible without borders? How would he be doing against Hillary now?

    Anna Navarro has a teaching gig at Harvard….Kennedy School? She is trying to be shift to Rubio at the moment. It’s funny to see her lose weight during her patrons campaign seasons while revert to chunky moma on the off years.

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    Ha. I remember Bill Richardson dieting every four years when he was considered presidential timber.
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  63. @Thomas
    We need to dispel the myth that Marco Rubio didn't know what he was doing, he knew exactly what he was doing, he just didn't have the guts to stand up to his puppetmasters.

    We need to dispel the myth

    Dispel with the myth!

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  64. Svigor says:

    The Donald – Alpha male shitlord – and the most entertaining thing in politics either side of the Atlantic in the last 70 years.

    Yesterday NPR reported that Trump warned the Republican party that it’s a mess, and it better get its act together.

    I was howling with laughter.

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  65. Svigor says:

    “I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would’ve been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn’t have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy.”

    “Once a burglar broke in and gave me money, so only bad people lock their doors.’”

    Musk has got to be intelligent enough to know how disingenuous he’s being.

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  66. AnonAnon says:
    @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    Sorry, Elon, the ends don’t jusitfy the means.

    Changed the world – what an ego. Are any of those companies ones we couldn’t live without?

    I’m tired of getting harassed by Solar City every time I go to Best Buy or Costco. If anything seems like a scam it’s getting the full court press to go solar at every turn.

    Teslas are the new status car du jour in my neck of Orange County (though, Range Rover is having a resurgence here, too) but most of the drivers are dicks.

    I’ve read Space X is a slave shop that pays low and expects horrific amounts of overtime from its workers. They also don’t like to hire experienced engineers.

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  67. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Thomas O. Meehan
    Anna Navarro has a teaching gig at Harvard….Kennedy School? She is trying to be shift to Rubio at the moment. It's funny to see her lose weight during her patrons campaign seasons while revert to chunky moma on the off years.

    Ha. I remember Bill Richardson dieting every four years when he was considered presidential timber.

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  68. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    What if he sticked with calling it a Koch Brothers goal...
     
    As in "high-sticked"?

    There's a vaguely S&M sound to this. What does Bernie have in his closet?

    Reg,

    You really ‘sticked’ it to me there.

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  69. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation.
     
    Isn't Rubio an "anchor baby?" His parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born in Florida in 1971. Also, is Rubio a "natural-born citizen" as understood from English common law?

    I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned.

    Trump has actually question this.

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  70. okie says:
    @Anonymous

    Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation.
     
    Isn't Rubio an "anchor baby?" His parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born in Florida in 1971. Also, is Rubio a "natural-born citizen" as understood from English common law?

    I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned.

    just look at the remaining 5, only Hilary and half each of Cruz and Trump had had parents born here. sign #995 that this country isn’t for native born Americans anymore. think historically BHO was the first president since Andrew Jackson to have a foreign born parent and here we are now with a lock on the rep side and still a chance on the Dems. It its about the greasy pole only and not about fitting into the culture of the country cause that doesn’t matter to the money men or the media.

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  71. iSteveFan says:
    @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    So Musk up and left South Africa and denied the new majority-ruled South Africans of his talent. How much better off would they be if he had developed those companies and jobs for his fellow South Africans?

    We are told nowadays that white flight is evil. That white flight takes economic capital out of the cities and leaves the minorities without any chance of economic opportunity, e.g. Detroit. Hasn’t Musk done the same thing, but on a larger scale? Why is he not being condemned and run out of town? Instead he is boasting of his white flight.

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  72. CJ says:
    @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    Is that actually from Musk? Not particularly a Musk fan, but is there any confirmation that it’s really him?

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  73. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    Musk was not an illegal immigrant. He had J1 visa, then H1b, all as a Canadian citizen. Then, evidently, Green Card, which eventually allowed him to apply for US citizenship.

    http://www.snopes.com/elon-musk-illegal-immigrant/

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  74. @The Z Blog
    The Cruz - Rubio divide is interesting to me. Cruz is genuinely disliked by his party and he has irritated a large swath of the party commentariat. Rubio is beloved by the party and most of their spokesmen. Rich Lwry has a special blow up doll made that looks just like Marco. The thing is, why is one sacred brown guy loved and the hated?

    My hunch is that one reason is Cruz is an unabashed Evangelical. The Acela Corridor types hate Christians in general, but they really hate Evangelicals. The main reason though is Marco fit s the image of the idealized Hispanic, the Magic Coconut, while Cruz does not. Frankly, Rubio is much more of a step and fetch it while Cruz is quite arrogant.

    When you think of diversity, anti-racism and multiculturalism as religious tenets, this stuff makes more sense. These Republicans lusting after Rubio are looking for grace so they overlook a lot about Rubio. Cruz offers less in the way of confirmation so he's been treated as a Canadian, rather than a Cuban.

    When you think of diversity, anti-racism and multiculturalism as religious tenets, this stuff makes more sense. These Republicans lusting after Rubio are looking for grace so they overlook a lot about Rubio. Cruz offers less in the way of confirmation so he’s been treated as a Canadian, rather than a Cuban.

    Yes, exactly. ‘Looking for grace’ is the real motivation behind many political stances and actions.

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  75. Wilkey says:
    @Anonymous

    So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state.
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ma/massachusetts_republican_presidential_primary-5205.html

    Trump 50%, Rubio 16%

    There us no better educated state than Massachusetts

    I stand (gratefully) corrected.

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  76. @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    Do we get a choice of zero illegal aliens or the contributions of Elon Musk? If so, I will take the zero illegal aliens.

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  77. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Meaning immigration creates facts on the ground (illegals and anchor babies) that are very hard to reverse even via policies that encourage self-deportation.
     
    Isn't Rubio an "anchor baby?" His parents were not U.S. citizens when he was born in Florida in 1971. Also, is Rubio a "natural-born citizen" as understood from English common law?

    I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned.

    “I find it interesting that each Presidential election involves candidates whose eligibility for the office can be questioned.”

    Only recently. It never used to be the case. Yet another benefit of diversity – mistrust and civic discord.

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  78. Nick Diaz says:

    @Steve Sailer

    “.I mean, if Cubans were such great politicians, wouldn’t they still have their own country?”

    What a dumb argument. Political skills are irrelevant when you are starring at an AK-47 that is pointing at you. The sword trumps the tongue 99 times out of 100.

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  79. @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    “I am Elon Musk. I am a white-male of north-western European heritage. My father was an Englishman who owned part of an emerald mine in Africa worked by the natives. I was educated in exclusive boarding schools. If Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, people like me would be allowed immigrate while the worlds underclass would be excluded. I would’ve founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City and you also would not have the millions of illegals burdening your society.”

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  80. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous

    So Rubio could conceivably outpoll Trump in a better-educated state.
     
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ma/massachusetts_republican_presidential_primary-5205.html

    Trump 50%, Rubio 16%

    There us no better educated state than Massachusetts

    The same old story. I can’t tell you how many whispers of “I’m voting for Trump!” I’ve gotten from some folks not brave enough to be “out” about it.

    When you’ve got welfare clients averaging upwards of $52K per annum in benefits, in addition to the ever-burgeoning groups of wretched refuse washing up on our shore, there are more and more well-educated people seeing what’s going on and voting accordingly.

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  81. AP says:
    @jon
    Trump did best among college educated voters in South Carolina. Rubio was second, and Cruz was third. I'm posting from my phone, so no link, but it was a Vox article if you want to look it up.

    Not really:

    http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Rep

    Among all college graduates Rubio beat Trump 27% to 25%.

    However, for those with strictly Bachelor’s degrees Trump beat Rubio 29% to 24%. For those with post-graduate degrees (MBA’s, doctors, lawyers, graduate degrees in engineering, Ph.Ds) Rubio dominated, 32% to 20%.

    On the other hand, among high school dropouts, Trump beat Rubio 45% to 16%.

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    "For those with post-graduate degrees (MBA’s, doctors, lawyers, graduate degrees in engineering, Ph.Ds) Rubio dominated, 32% to 20%."

    It would be interesting to see the numbers with the MBAs and lawyers broken out of that total. Not all people with graduate degrees are the same.
    , @Brutusale
    The 5-10% of doctors and lawyers along with the remaining 90-95% of Masters and Ph.ds in Womyn's Studies and Feminist Literature. Think Melissa Click, Ph.d and her doctoral thesis, the magnum opus, "It's a Good Thing: The Commodification of Femininity, Affluence and Whiteness in the Martha Stewart Phenomenon".
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  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @AP
    Not really:

    http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Rep

    Among all college graduates Rubio beat Trump 27% to 25%.

    However, for those with strictly Bachelor's degrees Trump beat Rubio 29% to 24%. For those with post-graduate degrees (MBA's, doctors, lawyers, graduate degrees in engineering, Ph.Ds) Rubio dominated, 32% to 20%.

    On the other hand, among high school dropouts, Trump beat Rubio 45% to 16%.

    “For those with post-graduate degrees (MBA’s, doctors, lawyers, graduate degrees in engineering, Ph.Ds) Rubio dominated, 32% to 20%.”

    It would be interesting to see the numbers with the MBAs and lawyers broken out of that total. Not all people with graduate degrees are the same.

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  83. Anon2016 says:

    Once the significant chunk of geriatric GOP primary voters grasp what “Foam Party” means, this swish is toast.

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  84. Anon2016 says:
    @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    this showed up in my LinkedIn feed:

    "I am Elon Musk. I was an ILLEGAL immigrant and if Mr. Trump and some of you had it your way, I would've been kicked out of the USA and never founded Zip2, PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, Solar City. I wouldn't have changed the world and employed thousands of Americans and grown your economy."

    https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/78cc46d2-5a87-4baf-80db-3e8dbc208c23-original.jpeg

    “I am an illiterate Mestizo. My IQ is about 85. I drive drunk and run over law-abiding American citizens. I smuggle drugs into the country. I visit your emergency rooms and receive free health care while you struggle to pay health insurance premiums. My children receive subsidized tuition and preferential treatment while yours struggle for scraps of what’s left of the middle class economy. “

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  85. Brutusale says:
    @AP
    Not really:

    http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/sc/Rep

    Among all college graduates Rubio beat Trump 27% to 25%.

    However, for those with strictly Bachelor's degrees Trump beat Rubio 29% to 24%. For those with post-graduate degrees (MBA's, doctors, lawyers, graduate degrees in engineering, Ph.Ds) Rubio dominated, 32% to 20%.

    On the other hand, among high school dropouts, Trump beat Rubio 45% to 16%.

    The 5-10% of doctors and lawyers along with the remaining 90-95% of Masters and Ph.ds in Womyn’s Studies and Feminist Literature. Think Melissa Click, Ph.d and her doctoral thesis, the magnum opus, “It’s a Good Thing: The Commodification of Femininity, Affluence and Whiteness in the Martha Stewart Phenomenon”.

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