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The Establishment Media is both outraged and so far rather stumped by the President’s comment that Europe being inundated by immigration is “sad.” Here’s an early, scattershot attempt at firing back from the Washington Post:

Trump’s comments on European immigration mirror white nationalist rhetoric
By Philip Bump
July 13 at 10:04 AM

Philip Bump is a correspondent for The Washington Post based in New York. Before joining The Post in 2014, he led politics coverage for the Atlantic Wire.

… “Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame,” Trump said. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.

“So I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad,” he continued. “I think you are losing your culture. Look around. You go through certain areas that didn’t exist ten or 15 years ago.”

That argument — that immigration changes existing “culture” for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.

Trump has never explicitly argued that immigration is a threat to white Americans, but he’s made numerous comments in the past that tiptoe around that point. When Trump earlier this year was reported to have disparaged migrants from Haiti and Africa as arriving from “s—hole” countries (preferring migrants from countries like Norway), racists and white nationalists celebrated the description and the distinction he drew. …

It’s true, of course, that immigration does change the “fabric” of a nation. Where Trump differs from most — and where he seemingly agrees with white nationalists — is that this is a negative.

Our history suggests both that views of undesirable migrants evolve over time and that the introduction and assimilation of immigrants is broadly seen as beneficial to American society. At one time, Italian, Irish and Eastern European migrants to the U.S. were considered undesirable and often turned away. These people are now part of the Europe whose culture Trump is so eager to defend.

“These people are now part of the Europe” … Is the Washington Post stating that Italians, Irish, and Eastern Europeans were once not part of the culture of Europe?

In general, it’s hard for respectable American thinkers to think about the subject of immigration other than through the all-dominating lens of modern Jewish resentment of old-time WASPs for not being wholly ecstatic about their great-grandparents arriving in large numbers, and, in fact, not inviting them to join Maidstone Country Club.

… When ardent Trump supporter Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) tweeted last year that “[w]e can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) responded that he “believes America’s long history of inclusiveness is one of its great strengths.”

Trump’s comments to the Sun were specifically about Europe, not the United States. It’s a bit odd to speak about Europe’s “culture” as a monolith, given the existing and increasing cultural diversity of its countries. One assumes Trump is referring to the idea of “Western civilization,” inextricable from Europe’s history — but this, too, is a phrase often embraced by white nationalists as a way of talking about white culture.

People like the late art historian Lord Kenneth Clark who talk about “Western civilization” as being represented by Michelangelo and Beethoven are just white nationalists trying to distract from the fact that everybody knows “white culture” is mayonnaise on white bread and other bland white things.

This was the hedge used by King in 2016 when he asked on MSNBC during a conversation about the prevalence of older white people at the Republican convention, “where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you’re talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?”

“Than white people?” host Chris Hayes asked, prompting King to say that he only meant “Western civilization.”

Trump’s comments to the Sun evoked most immediately his response to the racist protest in Charlottesville last year. …

In a news conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May on Friday, Trump repeated his claim that immigration was “a very negative thing” for Europe.

May disagreed. …

May expressed no concerns about threats to British culture whatsoever.

Rotherham is Who We Are, evidently. The Arc of the Moral Universe is long, but it bends toward Pakistani pimps organizing the gang rapes of underage English girls.

 
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  1. This is second summer in which there is no photograph of Barry O’Bimbo on the front page of the New York Times slurping on an ice cream cone and the Lefties are becoming evermore psychotic by the day, like a cocker spaniel that has been locked in a dark basement for too long. For some, The Presence of The Trumpster is absolute torture. Too bad Hillary came up 80,000 votes short in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania on Nov. 8, 2016. Now insanity reigns Holy Hell in our once Enlightened Land

  2. Yeah, yeah, same old arguments. Italians, Irish et al. were at one time despised and now have assimilated and become model citizens.

    But is this really true? No one really asks that question.

    The real question is whether, in fact, the influx of Italian and Irish immigrants did actually lower the overall IQ of the United States. Some studies have pegged the IQ of early American immigrants as being quite high. Since average IQ is always adjusted to the mean of U.S. bellcurve, how can we know for certain that influx of I and I didn’t move average to the left?

    Is there, to this day, a discrepancy between the IQ of descendants of New England founder families and that of descendants of later Italian and Irish immigrants? Any studies?

    Maybe the scions of original colonists were right after all??

    I don’t know, but at least we could put the myth to an empirical test.

  3. truthman says:

    The irony is that May has campaigned for much less immigration into Britain, and in her speech in 2015 while still home secretary at the Tory party conference she basically said immigration is a bad thing, and that Merkel was a naïve idiot to fall for mass immigration. She’s never argued for this from a pro-white perspective, just an environmental, impact on social services etc perspective.

    • Replies: @neutral
  4. Rosie says:

    Are you all still beside yourself with shock or is it just me? I can’t believe he had the stones to go there.

  5. … mayonnaise on white bread and other bland white things

  6. neutral says:

    If you are not a white nationalist after 30 you have no brain.

  7. neutral says:
    @truthman

    Have a look at immigration numbers under May, she is very much pro mass immigration.

  8. I wonder if they’re realizing how they’re de-controversializing and legitimizing “White Nationalism.”

    If “White Nationalism” means not welcoming my own demise and cheering the arrival of a country in which my progeny is hated, then normals will soon be claiming the title “White Nationalist.”

    • Replies: @Rosie
  9. Rosie says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I don’t know, but at least we could put the myth to an empirical test.

    Does anyone know if there is anything to so-called “hybrid vigor.” While intermarriage with dramatically less intelligent groups can’t possibly be other than detrimental for the brighter group, could hybrid vigor mask any dysgenic effects from intermarrying with marginally less intelligent groups?

    Note: I’m not interested in any eugenic “improvements” from blending with non-whites. I’m just curious if heterosis might explain the unexpected success of ethnic White assimilation early last century.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Svigor
  10. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You’re trying to start a thread for trading favorite Sea Shanties, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  11. @Rosie

    I think he’s just getting into his stride. He’s weathered the worst the left can throw at him, including a failed coup. He knows that he can now utter words once deemed forbidden. That power is going to grow.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  12. Berty says:

    Trump is really great when he sticks to a message that is both simple and easy to understand and presents it in a non-controversial way.

    As for May she’ll be replaced with Jeremy Corbyn soon enough so it won’t really matter in the long run what she says about anything.

  13. phil says:

    Steve,

    Please do not link to golf courses that have no trees!

  14. Achilles says:

    It’s a bit odd to speak about Europe’s “culture” as a monolith, given the existing and increasing cultural diversity of its countries.

    This is exactly backwards. But the globalists understand this.

    Cultural diversity in Europe is being destroyed by mass immigration.

    The diverse distinctive and historic cultures of countries like Sweden and Hungary and Ireland will be overwhelmed and lost in a single, borderless Europe with its population awash in hundreds of millions of Africans, Indians, Pakistanis and Middle Easterners.

    But this goes back again to the Jewish Question. Hungarians in Budapest thought it best if the Hungarian nation and culture were healthy and strong. Jews in Budapest thought it best for the Jews if the Hungarian nation and culture were weak and withering away.

    After all, what’s Bavarian about a Bavaria in which the young men become a third consisting of Muslims from the Middle East? Is Bavaria merely a ‘proposition’ like Jewish elites claim the United States is?

  15. MG says:

    As a brown nationalist I fully agree with and endorse President Trump’s remarks.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  16. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    In general, it’s hard for respectable American thinkers to think about the subject of immigration other than through the all-dominating lens of modern Jewish resentment of old-time WASPs for not being wholly ecstatic about their great-grandparents arriving in large numbers, and, in fact, not inviting them to join Maidstone Country Club.

    While the whole country club thing has some truth to it and is interesting and amusing, it does sort of obfuscate the issue of influential Jews and their politics and motivations.

  17. It’s a bit odd to speak about Europe’s “culture” as a monolith, given the existing and increasing cultural diversity of its countries.

    It’s wrong to worry about Europe’s culture changing, because Europe’s culture is changing!

  18. jim jones says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    If you get bored with the Beatles and William Shakespeare we also have Morris Men:

  19. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    European immigrants were highly segregated from WASPs until WW2, even more so than blacks:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @res
  20. Rosie says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I wonder if they’re realizing how they’re de-controversializing and legitimizing “White Nationalism.”

    I don’t see what choice they have. If they don’t feign moral indignation, that too will normalize the sentiments he expressed.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  21. Forbes says:

    The article by Philip Bump is another “dog whistle” column where only certain breeds hear the alarm. The prog-left is out of arguments and out of answers. They’re reduced to name-calling and tortured analogizing with bogeymen, i.e. white nationalists, et al.

  22. Whiskey says: • Website

    Steve this is about women not Jews. Women have about 1000 times more influence than Jews in culture.

    White women have decided to replace us White men with Game of Thrones African and Muslim variety. Not the least of which is they get rid of the hate hate hated White beta bale while welcoming swaggering violence.

    The way forward is for White men to up the dominance ante. Imagine every White man being a football hooligan and motorcycle club member.

    Wall gets built tomorrow and immigrant gets deported next day

  23. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Just waiting for donut to chime in. HOLD FAST !!!

    • Replies: @J1234
  24. Clyde says:

    These Trump immigration statements were given to encouragement — to spur on — to all Europeans who want sane levels of immigration. To greatly limit asylum seekers will be a great start. What Italy is doing is fantastic!
    Americans wil hear them much less.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  25. peterike says:

    “ At one time, Italian, Irish and Eastern European migrants to the U.S. were considered undesirable and often turned away. These people are now part of the Europe whose culture Trump is so eager to defend.”

    Well, now we know who Corvinus is.

  26. peterike says:

    Philip Bump’s wife is China Kaweah Ziegenbein. Make of that what you will.

  27. res says:
    @Anonymous

    From Figure 5. Spatial Assimilation by Ethnicity between 1910 and 1920
    the two least assimilated groups were Poles and Jews (based on mother tongue).

  28. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    I can see how white nationalism would be wrong for Africa, Asia, or Middle East. And even parts of New World where non-whites are the decisive majority.

    But how is white nationalism wrong in Europe? Whiteness is Europe, just like blackness is sub-Saharan Africa.

    IF whites can’t defend their race and culture in their motherland, where can they defend it? Are they to give away the homeland to mass invaders who come just to mooch and leech off those who made pretty nice nations?

    Why do so many people in media and academia come across a bunch of Harpies?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  29. istevefan says:

    It’s a bit odd to speak about Europe’s “culture” as a monolith, given the existing and increasing cultural diversity of its countries.

    It’s a bid odd to argue that Europe needs immigration for cultural diversity when you just admitted that Europe was never a monolith in the first place.

    BTW if you would like to see some beautiful photos of European diversity checkout the European Beauty twitter feed.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  30. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Obligatory The Independent headline:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-theresa-may-us-immigration-europe-migrant-crisis-uk-visit-a8445931.html?utm_source=reddit.com

    Trump makes scaremongering claims about immigration negatively ‘changing culture’ of Europe, while providing no evidence

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  31. Joe862 says:

    I had no opinion of Italians or irish until I got out of college and got a job at a Chicago company that is very irish. That was 17 years ago. Over time I came to realize that Irish and Italian catholic culture is very different from what I grew up with. They are much more tribal than most white people. They do not value merit. They admire bullshit. If you want to know what happens when irish and Italian catholics actually run a large city, Chicago is a great example. I now have a lot of personal experience with both groups and I would say they are easily a standard deviation worse people than those from most other white ethnic groups. You only really see the culture when you’re around ones that come from areas where they are a majority or large minority. They are typically lazier and less honest by a wide margin. This leads to all manner of corruption and dysfunction that does a lot of damage. I don’t know about IQ but there is no doubt in my mind that the country would be better off had we kept them out.

  32. Labeling European populists as “white nationalists” isn’t going to work with most white people. Left-wing idealogues have done a pretty good job of demonising white nationalism/majoritarianism in colonial countries, but they are failing to hold back nationalism in indigenous white countries. If you keep telling the average white person that Australian Aborigines or Native Americans have special rights, then they are going to believe that whites in Europe should also have native rights. Normies tend to be kind of consistent about these things.

  33. @jim jones

    I’m partial to the ‘dance with swords’ — what a great invocation:

    Cossack’s Prayer, traditional:

    English translation:

  34. J1234 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Great line from a great movie.

    It’s obvious that Trump is talking about excessive immigration, not immigration itself. The fact that his wife and ex-wife are immigrants ought to provide a clue that he doesn’t categorically hate immigration. He’s saying even beneficial things can become destructive when taken to excess, which isn’t a controversial idea.

    It’s equally obvious that the media and Phillip Bump are aware of this, but effective propagandists need to vacillate between the superfluously literal on some news items (Trump’s comments on immigration) and deep hidden context on other news items (several people have been indicted by Mueller on charges not related to Russian collusion during the election, so Trump is probably guilty of Russian collusion during the election.)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/13/a-summary-of-the-fruit-of-the-mueller-investigation-to-date/?utm_term=.0ee709e0df87

    • Replies: @Lowe
  35. fnn says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I guess all the both good and non-retarded white people music comes from the Germans and Italians.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
  36. @MG

    “As a brown nationalist I fully agree with and endorse President Trump’s remarks.”

    I, too, am a brown nationalist, though I’m no brown supremacist.

  37. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    When I was a kid I had a picture book of different countries, showing a typical citizen of each. Elites have gone from celebrating global diversity to pushing global homogeneity.

  38. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    The reason that Trump didn’t just come out. and say exactly what Bump wanted him to is simply because he is both shy and politically correct.. Don’t ya know.

  39. Rosie says:
    @Whiskey

    Women have about 1000 times more influence than Jews in culture.

    Whiskey, did you stop taking your meds again?

  40. syonredux says:

    It’s true, of course, that immigration does change the “fabric” of a nation.

    Somebody needs to write an immigration think-piece on the pros and cons of textile vs cooking metaphors….

    Where Trump differs from most — and where he seemingly agrees with white nationalists — is that this is a negative.

    Well, obviously it’s a negative when we are talking about Whites displacing POC….When it’s POC displacing Whites, it’s doubleplusgood…

    Our history suggests both that views of undesirable migrants evolve over time and that the introduction and assimilation of immigrants is broadly seen as beneficial to American society.

    Get WOKE, bigot. No one talks about immigrants “assimilating” anymore. They are supposed to retain and preserve every precious drop of their alien culture….

    Trump’s comments to the Sun were specifically about Europe, not the United States. It’s a bit odd to speak about Europe’s “culture” as a monolith, given the existing and increasing cultural diversity of its countries. One assumes Trump is referring to the idea of “Western civilization,” inextricable from Europe’s history — but this, too, is a phrase often embraced by white nationalists as a way of talking about white culture.

    MMM, why doesn’t “white culture” get the scare quotes treatment that “Europe’s “culture” ” receives?Laziness?

    . One assumes Trump is referring to the idea of “Western civilization,” inextricable from Europe’s history — but this, too, is a phrase often embraced by white nationalists as a way of talking about white culture.

    Of course, POC -SJW academics also love to use the phrase “Western Civilization”……Though their intent is pejorative…..

    In a news conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May on Friday, Trump repeated his claim that immigration was “a very negative thing” for Europe.

    May disagreed. …

    May expressed no concerns about threats to British culture whatsoever.

    Indeed….

  41. Rosie says:
    @Joe862

    I don’t know about IQ but there is no doubt in my mind that the country would be better off had we kept them out.

    True, if for no other reason than that letting them in is now being construed as a waiver of our right to enforce the border ever again for all eternity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  42. David says:

    Off Topic, this is cued to a few seconds before Marshall McLuhan recounts a Norman Mailer joke. It’s worth 30 seconds.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  43. Lowe says:
    @J1234

    Trump is talking about non-white immigration. That is the kind of immigration destroying European culture. The left is not misinterpreting him on this point. They just don’t like the message.

    • Replies: @J1234
  44. I don’t think there’s any doubt anymore that Trump is the real deal on immigration. No other U.S. president would say what he said today, at a news conference with the prime minister of the U.K. no less. Trump isn’t perfect, but he is no cuck as so many on here and other sites have tried to claim over the past year and a half. Best president ever.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  45. syonredux says:

    Guys, I think there is a subtle racial subtext to some of Trump’s thinking about immigration.

    Gosh, you mean that Trump might not want his grandchildren to live in a USA that is majority non-European?

    How awful. I mean, we all know that Jews dream of the day when Israel has a Muslim majority…..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Svigor
  46. @jim jones

    Or you could get down to your American cousins (descendants of the Ulster Scots and the borderers) kicking up their heels down South.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  47. @Jean Ralphio

    His rhetoric is great! His Twitter feeds are awesome! How many miles of the Wall have been built? How many criminal DACA infiltrators have been deported?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @silviosilver
  48. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    You’re always busy trying to divide white people.

    Can’t imagine what your agenda might be…

  49. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    Women have about 1000 times more influence than Jews in culture.

    White women have decided to replace us White men

    I know it’s pointless responding to you,
    but where do you think “White Women” got their ideas?

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
  50. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    That argument — that immigration changes existing “culture” for the worse — is a staple of white nationalist rhetoric in the United States.

    What’s the argument that third-world immigration is destroying western civilisation then?

    A paper clip I suppose?

  51. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe862

    They are much more tribal than most white people.

    That’s meaningless. Everyone on earth is much more tribal than most white people.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Joe862
  52. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Exactly. Talk is cheap, one reason politicians do so much of it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  53. @David

    What is the time stamp for the Norman Mailer line? The video is 54 minutes long and begins at 00:00. Marshall McLuhan is an interesting character but that is a lot of old video to watch.

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    , @David
  54. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:

    Bump vs. Trump, even before Max had a chance to put his Boot in. And never mind Putin.

  55. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:

    As a European, I instinctively feel that Donald Trump is looking after my ethnic genetic interest – the only definition of ‘Europe’ worth a damn. In this sense I feel that his is the ‘ruler of Europe’ – quite unlike those trashy bastards who run the EU.

  56. Paul says:

    How many of these migrants has The Washington Post recommended that Israel offer to take in?

  57. Jay Fink says:
    @Whiskey

    If every white man was a dominant outlaw biker we would suck as much as anyone and it wouldn’t matter if we were replaced.

  58. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Exactly. Talk is cheap, one reason politicians do so much of it

    Under normal circumstances, that’s true. Nowadays, talk can cost you your job, your family, etc. Trump is doing us a great service by breaking taboos on race and immigration.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  59. Dante says:

    Trump is echoing the thoughts of the majorities in Europe and the European Diasporas who are for the most part rejecting the top to bottom imposed ideology of Diversity Globalism etc and increasingly turning to Nationalist or Nationalist inspired parties and leaders who are increasingly credible and visible. The left will eat itself while Europeans wake up and begin taking our own side.

  60. TTSSYF says:
    @Shingas the Terrible

    Particularly during his second term.

  61. @Peter Johnson

    The joke: “Norman Mailer goes to speak to a meeting of feminists. He says “everybody here who thinks I’m a male chauvinist pig please hiss.” The women all hiss at him. He turns to the chairman and says “obedient bunch of little b!tches, aren’t they!”

  62. TTSSYF says:
    @Joe862

    I can’t dispute any of this, but I have to say, personally, that some of the highest IQ people I’ve known or worked with have been of Irish, or mostly Irish, descent.

  63. TTSSYF says:
    @Rosie

    Agree. I look for more concrete actions during his second term.

  64. David says:
    @Peter Johnson

    22:30. Thanks for letting me know it wasn’t cued right.

  65. JMcG says:
    @Shingas the Terrible

    Good Lord! What we’ve lost in 60 years. (No sarcasm intended at all, that is really wonderful)

  66. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Jews dream of the day when Israel has a Muslim majority

    Many Jews in the United States dream of this. Look up the Orwellianly named Jewish Voice for Peace. Also Code Pink.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  67. @ThreeCranes

    New England founder descendants do very well on IQ tests, assuming that such ancestry correlates with being Episcopelian or Unitarian.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/10/episcopalians-v-jews-on-iq.html

    The Puritans were extremely literate, probably more so than any later immigrant group, and of course pretty good at self-organization and government. High IQ for sure.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
  68. RobertTS says:
    @Joe862

    I’d say your perception of us (Irishman writing here, though I can’t speak for Italians – much less Southern Italians) is essentially correct.

    We tend to look out for each other more than say our English neighbours would do with their kin. Networking I guess you could call it.

    As for your observation re corruption, also fairly accurate. Back home in Ireland, everyone assumes that the Gardaí (police) are corrupt if not quite on a Mexican-cartel level: meaning that they’ll turn a blind eye to certain favours and abuses, such as cancelling a friend’s parking ticket- or, particularly in rural areas, allowing establishments to continuing serving alcohol past licensed hours with the ‘understanding’ that the cops and their wives can sneak in and enjoy some drinks behind closed doors (what is known as a “lock-in”). But dare to suggest that certain precincts of American cities grew big political machines and less than transparent police depts on account of Irish influence and people back home will be indignant with feigned offence.

    FWIW, the same Irish people largely dislike and even disown Irish-Americans ever since Reagan. Indeed, browbaiting Irish-Americans on account of their racism towards blacks and their having enlisted in US armed forces’ imperialist wars – thereby not sitting easily among the People of Fringes, is par-for-the-course along the Irish liberal dinner party set.

  69. Svigor says:
    @Rosie

    Actually the surprise for me is the sentiment, not his having the balls to express it. He’s more Our Guy than I thought. I already knew he had balls that had to ride shotgun.

    So far, best I can gather, (((Big Media))) is doing the smart thing, and not making a big deal out of this. They know it’s a losing issue for them and best swept under the rug; I was hoping their foaming-at-the-mouth, swivel-eyed Trump Derangement Syndrome would get the better of them. I’m still hoping there will be some high-profile denouncement from (((Big Media))) or their cronies that triggers a media circus. I want every White American to know what Trump said, and how much (((Big Media))) hates him for it.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Rosie
  70. Svigor says:
    @Rosie

    “Hybrid vigor” is widely misused. It means when hybrids are more vigorous, not that hybrids have more vigor, ipso facto.

  71. Svigor says:
    @Rosie

    Their best move is to pretend it didn’t happen. I.e., respond as minimally as possible and move on. That serves to minimize the impact of his statements.

  72. Svigor says:
    @Whiskey

    This is a total misrepresentation of the situation, and basic female psychology. Women status-strive by parroting the high-status consensus. They also naturally internalize it – whatever’s emanating from the King’s Court, basically. Obviously Court Jews have far more influence over that than the hausfraus conforming to it.

  73. Svigor says:
    @istevefan

    Jews: Europe, a body containing Irishmen and Greeks, Spaniards and Lithuanians, isn’t diverse enough. Only a massive infusion of non-Whites can save it.

    Also Jews: White Americans, a population containing Englishmen and Italians, Frenchmen and Croats, isn’t diverse enough. Only a massive infusion of non-Whites can save it.

    Also Also Jews: Israel’s Levantine majority is incredibly diverse, probably the most diverse in the world, and doesn’t need any non-Jewish infusions.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  74. Svigor says:
    @syonredux

    Jews don’t seem to be dreaming of a Chinese, Mexican, etc., majority in Israel, either. Can’t imagine why – the world’s full of non-terrorist-producing immigrants who’d love to live in Israel.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  75. Joe862 says:
    @Anonymous

    In the USA, most white groups are not that tribal but Irish and Italian catholics are far more than average. I grew up in the PC era and I hadn’t been exposed to stereotypes very much. I found out later that my observations were the same as had been made for ages. Both groups had been widely despised for the same reasons I despised them. It’s just another example of forcing people who aren’t compatible together making them hate each other. It’d be far better to keep them separate and indifferent.

  76. Rob McX says:
    @Svigor

    So far, best I can gather, (((Big Media))) is doing the smart thing, and not making a big deal out of this. They know it’s a losing issue for them and best swept under the rug; I was hoping their foaming-at-the-mouth, swivel-eyed Trump Derangement Syndrome would get the better of them.

    That’s what amazed me – hardly a word about his immigration comments in MSM, compared to their usual outbursts when he says anything controversial. If this happened 20 years ago, most people would still be unaware of what he said, apart from the readers of the paper that did the interview.

  77. Arclight says:

    People find European countries interesting and worth visiting because of the culture and accomplishments of the various groups that have lived there for centuries. No one goes to Paris or London to experience crowds of people who have no history or ties to those cities other than having moved there in recent decades.

    • Agree: Sarah Toga
  78. J1234 says:
    @Lowe

    The left is not misinterpreting him on this point.

    Didn’t say they were misinterpreting him. My point is that they’re misrepresenting him. You don’t have have to be a white nationalist to acknowledge how crazy Europe’s immigration policy is. Detractors of the policy come from a pretty broad range of conservative or law and order perspectives.

  79. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    That thought has also crossed my mind. If there is equivalence between Afro/Asian/Aztec immigration today and Irish/Italian/Slavic immigration in the past, then this isn’t an argument for letting in the former today, but an argument for having kept out the latter in the past.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  80. Rosie says:
    @Svigor

    Actually the surprise for me is the sentiment, not his having the balls to express it. He’s more Our Guy than I thought. I already knew he had balls that had to ride shotgun.

    It’s precisely the opposite for me. I’ve long suspected him of hiding his power level. What surprises me is that the Deep State can’t control him. Shortly after the election, I despaired because it seemed like that had something on him or were threatening him with something.

  81. @fnn

    Can we include Croatians in that esteemed list of non-retarded music nationalities?

    BTW, this tune may fit with the soccer final, heh heh.

  82. @academic gossip

    Consider the sad case of Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro. Apparently her family tree includes a branch back to the Puritans. Possibly that IQ source fed her son’s cunning?
    High IQ evil is a fearsome thing.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  83. MBlanc46 says:
    @ThreeCranes

    And the southern Italians created violent criminal organizations that degraded our national life for more than a century. Someone who, in, say, 1910, said that Italian immigration should be curtailed would have had a pretty solid argument. Had that meant that Jan Gr——i’s ancestors wouldn’t have been allowed in, however, my high school years would have been degraded.

  84. MBlanc46 says:
    @Whiskey

    I see your point, Brother Whiskey, but I have a hard time conjuring up images of myself as either a football hooligam or a biker. Can you come up with another category for us old white guys?

  85. MBlanc46 says:
    @Joe862

    You do have to keep in mind that the formerly mostly Irish Machine in Chicago has been beholden to Black, and now Hispanic, voters for four or five decades.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  86. @MBlanc46

    As if we needed ANOTHER proof that only White men are worthy of the franchise.

  87. Rosie says:

    As if we needed ANOTHER proof that only White men are worthy of the franchise.

    I haven’t seen any proofs that White women are unworthy of the franchise.

  88. I haven’t seen any proofs that White women are unworthy of the franchise.

    White women voted for Prohibition.  White women voted for cibil rites for non-Whites.  White women have been the force welcoming the replacements for their own men (see Germany, “Refugees Welcome”).  Given the vote, they destroy their own.  They Are Not Worthy.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  89. rob says:

    Ron, sailer, or whoever,

    Something is wrong with the comments, at least in safari. New comments don’t show up at the end of the old comments, but are frequently interspersed. Secondly, the number of new comments displayed on the main page does not match the number of new comments shown in the actual comments page. For example, this post on the main page says “90 comments 42new” but clicking on the new comments link brings me to this page that only shows one comment as new. I was reading this page. Closed it and went to sailer’s main page to refresh the comments. If you could fix these issues, that would be great.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  90. @rob

    This is a side-effect of moderation.  It can’t be fixed, as it isn’t broken.

  91. @Sarah Toga

    BHO certainly has cunning, but there is little evidence he has a high IQ.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
  92. @Diversity Heretic

    Beggars can’t be choosers. Immigration restrictionists have to take what we can get, and in that sense a president setting the precedent of accurately negative comments about immigration is actually very, very good. Unsurprisingly, this fails to satisfy white nationalists, but no politician is going to make pleasing that group of political fantasists a high priority.

  93. @Anonymous

    Many Jews in the United States dream of this.

    Whatever. It’s clearly dwarfed by the number of Jews who dream of expelling the Arabs.

  94. @Svigor

    Also:

    Jews: Diversity will save Europe!

    Jews: Diversity will destroy Israel!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  95. @Svigor

    Jews don’t seem to be dreaming of a Chinese, Mexican, etc., majority in Israel, either. Can’t imagine why – the world’s full of non-terrorist-producing immigrants who’d love to live in Israel.

    I wouldn’t write that off entirely as a possible last ditch strategy to safeguard Israeli secularism. I can’t imagine them ever going the whole hog for non-Jewish immigration the way Europe and America have for non-white immigration, but the infusion of Russian immigrants, many of them with weak or non-existent Jewish identity, put Likud in power and has increased the influence of people like Avigdor expel-the-Arabs Lieberman (whose party draws its support mainly from secular Russian Jews). So I think it’s possible that in time Israelis might look to repeat that experience by selecting pro-Israeli non-Jews. It’d mean a dilution of Israel’s Jewish identity, but even now Netanyahu is trying to pass a law making it possible for communities to exclude people on the basis of religious (and/or other identity) – basically an Israeli segregation law – so Jews never need be at the same risk of genetic assimilation within Israel as, say, Europeans are in Europe. And I suppose the non-Jewish immigrant communities would have the same right to self-segregate which, I feel, is likely to give them an added stake in defending the whole Israeli way of life (as it would be at that point). Secular Israelis would be getting a pretty good two-fer – keep the Arabs out, and the ultra0rthodox Jews down.

  96. @Anonymous

    then this isn’t an argument for letting in the former today, but an argument for having kept out the latter in the past.

    Whenever immigration boosters/anti-racists think they have landed a knockout blow with the observation that “your [my] ancestors came from southern Europe, so how can you be against immigration?”, I love to point out that (a) it was a great country before my ancestors came, and it would have still been a great country had they never come, and (b) if mass immigration was a dumb idea back then, it’s surely an even dumber idea today.

  97. Rosie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    You know, if you’re going to respond to someone, you should click the reply button so they know about it.

    You are absolutely full of shit about almost everything you say here.

    White women voted for Prohibition.

    Probably because they got tired of watching their drunken “husbands” knock their kids’ teeth out of their heads for looking at them the wrong way when they beat the daylights out of their mother.

    Take responsibility!

    White women voted for cibil rites for non-Whites.

    I’m not sure that’s true, but even if it is true, that’s not unreasonable given that MEN brought blacks here against their will to replace THEIR OWN KIND out of GREED.

    White women have been the force welcoming the replacements for their own men (see Germany, “Refugees Welcome”).

    They are a minority with a megaphone, nothing more. Whose idea was it to destroy Germany and teach them to hate themselves, anyway?

    I will remind you: 62% of noncollege White women for Trump, despite a hysterical, non-stop media campaign of demonization. I’ll ask you right now, Mr. Rational, what would these numbers have to look like for you to admit you’re wrong?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  98. @Jim Don Bob

    BHO certainly has cunning, but there is little evidence he has a high IQ.

    There is pretty good evidence from law school metrics, posted in a series of my comments (start at no. 107) at

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-the-white-black-gap-so-huge-in-law-schools/ .

    In short, LSAT data and other indicators are consistent with Obama having IQ in the 130′s, and 120-125 for Michelle.

    I’m curious what Steve thinks about this, given his analyses of presidential IQ and of all things Obama. Steve did suggest that BHO’s LSAT score was high enough to boost Barry’s confidence and ambition before starting Harvard Law School.

  99. @Rosie

    White women voted for Prohibition

    Probably because they got tired of watching their drunken “husbands”

    Scare quotes?  You think they were just “shacking up” rather than legally married?  Behave like tramps, get treated like tramps.

    knock their kids’ teeth out of their heads for looking at them the wrong way

    Documentation?

    when they beat the daylights out of their mother.

    A lot of those men had just come back from years of war and death in France, in a fight that had nothing to do with America or Americans.  And while they were gone, their womenfolk had voted in a bunch of legislators who imposed piles of laws and even a Constitutional amendment they wanted NOTHING to do with.  After being stabbed in the back like that, their betrayers deserved to suffer consequences.

    Take responsibility!

    You first.  Prohibition, by itself, jump-started a great deal of organized crime which has continued in mutating forms to this very day.  Take responsibility for YOUR gender’s attack on America.  My gender was off fighting a “brother war” at the best of a treasonous government.

    even if it is true, that’s not unreasonable given that MEN brought blacks here against their will to replace THEIR OWN KIND out of GREED.

    Not replace.  It was “do what Irish slaves could not do”, because the Irish field-slaves died of tropical diseases within months and this fatality rate was about to destroy Virginia colony.

    But about that.  The marrano Don Domingo Lopez arrived in Newport RI from Lisbon around 1750.  He promptly changed his name to Aaron.  He quickly became a shipping magnate, whose stock-in-trade included African flesh.  What does this have to do with me, a male of non-Jewish European descent?  Nothing.

    Well, there’s the detail that the list of options for Africans captured by other Africans had “becoming the main course” as a strong possibility, so being sold off to the Americas was far from the worst they could ask for.  Being sold to Brazil was a lot worse than winding up in the English colonies or the fledgeling United States, before the trans-Atlantic slave trade was banned in 1807.  So ironic that providing the best of a list of options for them has earned us implacable hatred… fostered by the same (((tribe))) which profited so handsomely from the original slave trade.

    They are a minority with a megaphone, nothing more.

    Backed by the power to import a million and more, and suppress e.g. reports of rapes in Cologne.

    Whose idea was it to destroy Germany and teach them to hate themselves, anyway?

    Don’t ask (((who))) is behind this, you don’t want them to call you “racist”.

    I will remind you: 62% of noncollege White women for Trump

    But barely a majority of college-educated White women.

    A majority of college students are women now, you understand?  Colleges and universities have been discriminating against men for decades, and then indoctinating women that they’re “oppressed” by “toxic masculinity”.  You realize that this is a solid argument for keeping women OUT of higher education?

    I’ll ask you right now, Mr. Rational, what would these numbers have to look like for you to admit you’re wrong?

    70% of college-educated White women for Trump would do it, and blanket rejection of feminism too.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  100. Rosie says:
    @Mr. Rational

    Behave like tramps, get treated like tramps.

    The women were proper wives, but the men weren’t proper husbands.

    Documentation?

    Drunkenness is associated with domestic violence fatalities to this very day. Do your own damned research.

    After being stabbed in the back like that, their betrayers deserved to suffer consequences.

    The remedy for laws you don’t like is different laws, not beating your wife to death.

    Take responsibility for YOUR gender’s attack on America.

    No such thing.

    So ironic that providing the best of a list of options for them has earned us implacable hatred… fostered by the same (((tribe))) which profited so handsomely from the original slave trade.

    What options African captives did or did not have is totally irrelevant to the question of whether White men sowed the seeds of our destruction by buying slaves from Jews.

    Backed by the power to import a million and more, and suppress e.g. reports of rapes in Cologne.

    Right, Jewish power. What does that have to do with me, as a White gentile woman?

    Don’t ask (((who))) is behind this, you don’t want them to call you “racist”.

    I know exactly who is behind it. The question is why you blame women.

    A majority of college students are women now, you understand?

    That’s true, and probably partly to blame for women’s weaker ethnocentrism.

    You realize that this is a solid argument for keeping women OUT of higher education?

    No it isn’t. It’s a solid argument for keeping Jews out of White gentile institutions of higher education, or at least not allowing them to dominate it.

    70% of college-educated White women for Trump would do it, and blanket rejection of feminism too.

    In other words, you want to see a vote for Trump among college-educated White women that is much higher than the total White male vote of 62%. Perhaps you should consider changing your screen name, Mr Irrational.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  101. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    The problem is that when White men do the Jew’s bidding to the detriment of our race, it’s all the Jew’s fault. When White women do the Jew’s bidding to the detriment of our race, it’s all women’s fault.

    I’ll be happy to agree there is plenty of blame to go around and leave it at that.

    • Replies: @JSM
  102. JSM says:
    @Whiskey

    White women have decided to replace us White men with Game of Thrones African and Muslim variety. Not the least of which is they get rid of the hate hate hated White beta bale while welcoming swaggering violence.

    Well, CLEARLY White men have decided to replace us White women with black babes. Not the least of which is, they get rid of the hate hate hated White beta females while welcoming swaggering twerking. I mean, have you WATCHED TV lately? The commercials tell all…

    • LOL: Mr. Rational

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