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Screenshot 2018-04-18 23.56.36From the Washington Post:

Starbucks and the elimination of black people from white spaces

When you use the phrase “white spaces,” aren’t you supposed to also say “black bodies?”

By Karen Attiah

Karen Attiah is The Post’s global opinions editor.

… What the Starbucks incident has in common with the lynchings of the past — as well as the police brutality and mass incarceration of the present — is the basic fact that black people in America can be physically eliminated at any time, in any place, for little reason — whether that means being kicked out of stores, suspended from school, priced out of their neighborhoods, locked up in jail or put in the grave. …

Starbucks will do what it needs to do to protect its brand. But what is America doing to protect its own citizens of color? Who will train Americans to stop calling the cops on their unarmed black neighbors? Who will train school officials not to use police force on black kids just for being kids? Who will train the convenience-store managers? The mom-and-pop restaurants? And how can we up the social and legal costs for people who make life-threatening decisions by calling the police on peaceful black people?

Isn’t it time that the full might of the state was brought down on the real threat: convenience-store managers, mom-and-pop restaurants, and school officials?

So as long as a black person isn’t brandishing, say, an AR-15, they are legally and morally entitled to be wherever they feel like. It’s like how the Zeroth Amendment says that undocumented workers can idle in the United States and citizens can’t do anything about it. The Negative First Amendment says blacks, as long as they aren’t armed, can be anywhere they want for as long as they want, and just because you happen to own the property they are on, you can’t do anything about it, because you are white.

 
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  1. black people in America can be physically eliminated at any time, in any place, for little reason

    Blacks are the new Walking Dead and House of the Black Brew’s Black Holocaust just keeps on trucking.

    Have you ever seen Blacks coming OUT of Starbucks?

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  2. Whenever I feel the need for some Safe White Space, I simply head for the fresh-produce section of the nearest grocery store. Funny but no one’s demanding that this space be integrated. And for that, we thank you.

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    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.
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  3. …and will you please stop saying “undocumented workers”? I’m sure you believe you’re appropriating, with irony, and whatnot, but using their language is playing their game.

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    • Replies: @AndrewR
    While I think Steve "The Smartass" Sailer resorts to irony in his rhetoric far, far too much, if you're going to use irony then you should be consistent. He is pretending to talk like a SJW so obviously part of that is using SJW lingo. Saying "illegal aliens" "unironically" while ironically pretending to be an SJW would be incongruous.
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  4. Mainstream media is now peddling “he din do nuffin” bullshit.

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    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    Except in this case that's precisely the point. You're accommodated in a private establishment on the premise that you will do something, i.e. patronize the establishment. Not following a lawful order from police is also "doing nothing".

    Pretty soon refusing to pay a bill or loan, or show up in court, will be defended as just "doing nothing".
    , @Forbes
    The inversion of the vector of blame is amusing. The Philly police arrested the two miscreants, but it's the Starbucks' employee/manager who is blamed for the arrests.
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  5. Haha, well the article name has already been changed…

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Different titles on front page and on the article itself.
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  6. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Yeah, all those Africans are coming to Europe without guns or grenades.

    So they must be welcomed.. or else it’s like lynching.

    PS. What would happen to a white guy if he walked into a black barbershop, just sat down, and refused to ask for any service just just loiter?

    In fact blacks seek white spaces because they are safer than black spaces. But they still act ‘black’, so that causes problems.

    Blacks running from black problems spread those black problems.

    What the Starbucks incident has in common with the lynchings of the past

    ROTFL. Btw, weren’t blacks once called ‘bucks’?

    Maybe the original name of Tar Bucks?

    Looks like Starbucks is having a Coon Chicken Moment.

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    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    " Blacks running from black problems spread those black problems. "

    Just like a disease.
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  7. @Yan Shen
    Haha, well the article name has already been changed...

    Different titles on front page and on the article itself.

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    Ah okay I see that now on the front page. >.<
    , @Mishra
    It's the Washington Post, though. They change articles' titles and anything else when they sense a change in prevailing winds.

    http://therightscoop.com/washington-post-changes-we-should-automatically-believe-rape-allegations-headline-after-twitter-furor/

    Sometimes, though comparatively rarely, they even change the associated URL, in effect 'deep sixing' a piece that didn't go over the way they planned.

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  8. @Steve Sailer
    Different titles on front page and on the article itself.

    Ah okay I see that now on the front page. >.<

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  9. “In December 2017, the Haas Institute for a Fair and Inclusive Society at UC Berkeley and Latino Decisions fielded a statewide public opinion poll to better understand the interaction of Californian’s intergroup and identity perceptions with their attitudes towards several policy goals, social values, and responses to messages based on a strategic narrative.”

    The poll revealed that Californians have views that may seem contradictory, including the fact that nearly half those surveyed support a so-called “Muslim ban”. Punishing immigrants is still popular: 59% said increasing deportations is important. About half the respondents agreed with an individualistic boot-straps narrative about African Americans, saying that Black people need to “try harder”.

    https://haasinstitute.berkeley.edu/california-survey-othering-and-belonging

    Perhaps support for the Zeroth amendment is weakening? California, so it can’t be “whites” only expressing these evils; they don’t have the #’s (~38%), even if they had the inclination or fortitude.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    I like to look for the tiny cogwheels in such publications:

    "Punishing immigrants is still popular: 59% said increasing deportations is important."

    Don't be a punisher, you 59%er!
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  10. @Steve Sailer
    Different titles on front page and on the article itself.

    It’s the Washington Post, though. They change articles’ titles and anything else when they sense a change in prevailing winds.

    http://therightscoop.com/washington-post-changes-we-should-automatically-believe-rape-allegations-headline-after-twitter-furor/

    Sometimes, though comparatively rarely, they even change the associated URL, in effect ‘deep sixing’ a piece that didn’t go over the way they planned.

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    • Replies: @Yan Shen
    I remember when this NYT article had its title changed, probably after numerous people pointed out that Asians were overrepresented in Bay Area tech. I think Steve blogged about that one also.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/upshot/if-you-work-in-silicon-valley-odds-are-youre-a-white-man.html
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  11. @Mishra
    It's the Washington Post, though. They change articles' titles and anything else when they sense a change in prevailing winds.

    http://therightscoop.com/washington-post-changes-we-should-automatically-believe-rape-allegations-headline-after-twitter-furor/

    Sometimes, though comparatively rarely, they even change the associated URL, in effect 'deep sixing' a piece that didn't go over the way they planned.

    I remember when this NYT article had its title changed, probably after numerous people pointed out that Asians were overrepresented in Bay Area tech. I think Steve blogged about that one also.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/upshot/if-you-work-in-silicon-valley-odds-are-youre-a-white-man.html

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Here's the City Data page for Jeff Bezos's town of primary residence:

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Medina-Washington.html

    http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/27206.jpg

    Blacks account for .3% of the population there. That's point-three. Three-tenths of one percent.

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  12. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don’t, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don’t have the self-esteem of a black guy?

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Thanks.

    In a better time, yours were the questions posed by reporters.

    Today, "journalists" obscure.

    , @Polynikes
    My cousin's wife manages a downtown Starbucks in a medium sized city. They have to throw out people, mostly homeless, all the time. Many of them are white...probably most of them, in fact. Usually their policy is to call the police and have them do it since it is mostly females that work there.

    I doubt there is much to this story other than somebody recorded it on their phone and the internet picked it up.
    , @WowJustWow
    You can't really know whether someone will buy something or how long it will take to do it, so it is a matter of judgement. But the two men asked for the bathroom code, which may have forced the issue. A lot of these urban cafes and fast food restaurants print the bathroom code on the receipt. When I've already eaten/drank something and thrown the receipt away, if I haven't been sitting within view of the service counter, typically they'll ask if I'm a paying customer. For those who aren't, some will leave and try to find another public bathroom somewhere else, some will lie about having bought something earlier, some will say "it's urgent but I'll buy something right after". But these guys made it clear they had no intention of buying anything.

    Not too long ago I went into a small downtown Manhattan cafe and bought a coffee just so I could use the bathroom, only to discover that there was no customer bathroom. Having to go even more badly due to the coffee, and seeing long lines in every other establishment nearby, eventually I was so desperate I used a urinal in the Fulton Center train station while a homeless dude nearby was pulling his waistband forward and gyrating his crotch beneath the air dryer. I walked past him and out of there as fast as I could so I could find yet another bathroom to wash my hands. Places have these policies for a reason.

    , @a reader, @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.
     
    None of us knows exactly what went down here. But forgive me for suspecting that the term "motherfucker" was likely deployed during the proceedings.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called?
     
    Me too. I have read the accounts and they are not entirely clear. Apparently the two guys were realtors and were meeting another guy for a business meeting of some kind, but I suspect they were not in business attire.

    I had a job when I had to be all over the city all day, and would sometimes stop to use bathrooms, usually in supermarkets, but sometimes at gas stations, pharmacies, or a MacDonalds. Sometimes I also made a purchase, sometimes not.

    I don't think I was ever asked to make a purchase, but my view, especially in the case of gas stations would be that they provide (hopefully clean) bathrooms as an incentive to attract customers, and of course all motorists have to buy gasoline sooner or later. However I did notice that gas stations seem to attract a lot of riffraff, and sometimes have beggars on the forecourt, probably because they sell alcohol and lottery tickets. (Actually a whole essay could be written on the application of Gresham's Law in the case of gas stations driving cafes out of business.)

    I did notice that sometimes homeless individuals did try to take up residence in supermarket bathrooms, especially in cold weather, which must be an ongoing problem for supermarket managements.

    Apparently Starbucks does have a problem with transient bathroom users and requires a numeric code to get into the bathroom. (Some gas stations will give you a key on a large piece of wood and direct you across the yard.)

    Why on earth one of these two gentlemen did not make a minimal purchase as a token payment for the use of the bathroom is the unanswered question. It would just seem to be good business practice for a realtor to cultivate good relationships in the community, and a chance to give Starbucks employees a business card.

    I suspect there is more to the story that may or may not come out. Since one of the gentlemen had, it is reported, been a customer of that Starbucks since the age of 15, he must have been known there.
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  13. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @danand
    “In December 2017, the Haas Institute for a Fair and Inclusive Society at UC Berkeley and Latino Decisions fielded a statewide public opinion poll to better understand the interaction of Californian's intergroup and identity perceptions with their attitudes towards several policy goals, social values, and responses to messages based on a strategic narrative.”

    The poll revealed that Californians have views that may seem contradictory, including the fact that nearly half those surveyed support a so-called “Muslim ban”. Punishing immigrants is still popular: 59% said increasing deportations is important. About half the respondents agreed with an individualistic boot-straps narrative about African Americans, saying that Black people need to “try harder”.
     
    https://haasinstitute.berkeley.edu/california-survey-othering-and-belonging

    Perhaps support for the Zeroth amendment is weakening? California, so it can’t be “whites” only expressing these evils; they don't have the #’s (~38%), even if they had the inclination or fortitude.

    I like to look for the tiny cogwheels in such publications:

    “Punishing immigrants is still popular: 59% said increasing deportations is important.”

    Don’t be a punisher, you 59%er!

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  14. @Mishra
    Whenever I feel the need for some Safe White Space, I simply head for the fresh-produce section of the nearest grocery store. Funny but no one's demanding that this space be integrated. And for that, we thank you.

    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

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    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig
    Nah ... too many Jews and Orientals. ;-)
    , @Realist

    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.
     
    Art galleries is another.

    I wonder why that is.
    , @Ed
    Depending on the city, libraries are notorious for attracting the homeless, many of whom are black.

    There have been some controversies about homeless people viewing porn on the internet at the library but nothing can be done about it.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Depends on the neighborhood demographics. Since the advent of the internet, libraries in certain neighborhoods could be more accurately named Free Porno Zones with the customer base you can imagine.

    OTOH, I suppose it has reduced the old fashioned loitering around newsstands, ogling the porno mag covers there. 'Course it also reduced those old fashioned newsstands altogether...
    , @Rouetheday
    In my experience, bicycle shops are another virtually black-free zone. In 32 years of patronizing the three or four bike shops in my town I only remember seeing one black person, a 'buppie' who was looking for a bike for his kid that was a little better than the offerings at Walmart.
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  15. Sounds like baby steps to future land grabs a la South Africa. Today, we don’t have the right to tell black men they can’t illegally trespass and loiter inside our businesses without buying something. Tomorrow, they just own the business outright.

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    • Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    This seems like an iSteve subject.

    Zimbabwee's example didn't seem to cause South Africa to be hesitant and South Africa is ploughing ahead - essentially creating a legal precedent. These actions seem to be creating a legal basis or framework.

    The constant brow-beating of "admit your privilege" including - and I don't think a lot of people know this - but people who are slated to speak at college campuses including comedians are asked to sign a contract to "admit their privilege" in order to be invited to speak on campus - not universal, but it's going on. All the places this happens that you don't see - with kids in school or young adults.

    TNC and "red-lining". Legal case. Legal framework.

    The whole thing were there was no national debate - somehow we just arrived here - that it is universally accepted - by "whites" even, including by whites who ostensibly object - that if a white person (or a person interpretable as white) is caught uttering or acting upon something which may be interpreted as racist, then we all agree that what is called for is a personal and collective exercise in re-education, i.e.: "diversity training".

    And look: we accept it.
    We are here talking about it - complaining. National Review is complaining. Some odd bloggers and video bloggers are complaining. Unz is complaining.

    It's like we're letting off steam. Come May all of Starbucks will attend re-education and we will stand down. There will be no investigations by state or federal government into the collective punishment that this represents or the fundamentally un-American aspect of telegraphing to white citizens that if they betray a could-be-racist-thought, out-the-gate they will be disavowed by their employers, re-educated, and everyone in their vicinity will be re-educated.

    We have conceded: African-Americans and many other minorities are burdened by white people - they are put upon by white people - and white people should be punished.

    Come 2045 or 2050 - maybe earlier we'll get around to it: "Land Reform".

    Legal precedent - established in South Africa. Legal framework - 40 years in the making. Political resistance: none.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    Evil white oppressors are being primed for the complete turnover of all white property/assets , meaning : Total reparations:

    A question which has never been approached to my knowledge up to this day : If the Europeans and early Americans had been black and and the Africans white, would slavery not have occured, which is the silent implication of the SJW maniacs.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.
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  16. The Starbucks incident is the wave of the future. As negroes are cast out of their former ghettos they lose the ‘street’ where much of there social (and criminal ) activity took place. Public housing projects prohibit non residents ‘loitering’ as do private apartment complexes so commercial malls are the natural new habitat for the negro diaspora.

    The problem is that, as Dinesh D’Souza once noted, urinating in an alley was acceptable behavior in a ghetto but not in a suburban strip mall parking lot. The same with sitting on a curb and drinking a 40 ounce King Cobra in a paper bag. City cops overlooked those ordinance violations. Will suburban cops have to do the same when the mall business owners complain?

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  17. @Diversity Heretic
    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

    Nah … too many Jews and Orientals. ;-)

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    • Replies: @DFH
    Libraries maybe, I've never seen an Asian in a bookshop
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  18. @Diversity Heretic
    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

    Art galleries is another.

    I wonder why that is.

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    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    Classical music is effective negro repellent.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Not too many POCs at the Met Opera last night in NYC.
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  19. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I'm not really following this, but I'm funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don't, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don't have the self-esteem of a black guy?

    Thanks.

    In a better time, yours were the questions posed by reporters.

    Today, “journalists” obscure.

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  20. @Anon
    I'm not really following this, but I'm funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don't, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don't have the self-esteem of a black guy?

    My cousin’s wife manages a downtown Starbucks in a medium sized city. They have to throw out people, mostly homeless, all the time. Many of them are white…probably most of them, in fact. Usually their policy is to call the police and have them do it since it is mostly females that work there.

    I doubt there is much to this story other than somebody recorded it on their phone and the internet picked it up.

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    I doubt there is much to this story other than somebody recorded it on their phone and the internet picked it up.
     
    That and there just happened to be a politically connected guy using activist language in front of the camera as soon as it happened.
    , @International Jew
    That's interesting. I've been to a lot of Starbucks and I've never seen the staff take the slightest interest in how long people are camped out, and how long it's been since they bought anything. (Nor how long since they bathed.)

    Not so independent coffee shops, of course.
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  23. Who will train Americans to… Who will train school officials… Who will train the convenience-store managers?

    A pretty telling mentality; natural instincts and inclinations are not to be trusted, must have the whip hand in service to the narrative.

    There seems to be no shortage of volunteers to apply the boot to the face.

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    • Replies: @27 year old
    Is it really volunteering if they expect to get paid for their "services" by the very people whose faces they are stamping on?
    , @Arclight
    This comment captures the authoritarian instinct behind must of leftist ideology. They simply cannot leave people alone, they want to have a continuous means of controlling society, which naturally means the threat of punishing others for having the wrong thoughts or beliefs. It's no accident that places that went whole hog on this idea turned into repressive surveillance states with the accompanying body count.
    , @Anon
    The ADL just got the contract for training the thousands of Starbucks clerks to allow blacks to do whatever they want in Starbucks.

    Who cares? Starbucks is owned by a liberal Jew.liberal Jews are totally anti white so I hope the company gets fined and sued by every black who ever entered one.

    The author complained about black thugs getting disciplined in schools. Today’s NY Post has an article that more than 10,000 NYC school
    employees have been threatened and it physically assaulted by students this school year.

    The person the black activists planned to be waiting for is a Jew. Wonder if it was a set up for ADL to get a brainwashing contract.

    A lot of White clerks will get fired, especially the women who reject gross sex approaches by gross disgusting black men. More and more blacks will be hired. Pretty soon the Starbucks in the cities will become just like 7-11 parking lots and public libraries, just day care centers for the homeless.

    I love to see liberalism hurt liberals.

    There is a public library near me that was full of crazy babbling crotch rubbing homeless the last 2 years. They commandeered a big table and ate there all day long. The table was full of pizza boxes, big gulps, 2 liter bottles of soda, hot dogs and bags of chips and jars of salsa. They screeched to each other and on their cell phones all day long.

    They sat on the benches in front and made gross remarks to White women walking by. They tried to start fights with White men.

    But the librarians did nothing. Any normal person who complained was told that if they didn’t like it they could leave.

    Finally normal people got together and sent letters to the library CEO and the library commissioners. They didn’t mention the problems were caused by black homeless

    They just demanded equal enforcement of the rules for everyone. If some people are allowed to sit with food and sodas all day, everyone should be allowed to sit there and eat.

    It worked. The manager and 2 other librarians who catered to the homeless loons were transferred. A guard was installed and all the rules were enforced equally.

    But it turned out the reason the homeless were allowed to behave so badly was a sensitivity training session 2 summers ago.

    The branch manager told a babbling loon homeless to be quiet. He refused so she told him to leave. Someone wrote a letter to the Mayor claiming the librarian was mean to the babbling loon

    So they all got scolded and told to let the black homeless do whatever they wanted.

    So the homeless behaved badly until normal people wrote letters of complaint.
    The librarians are really in a bind. Enforce the rules and complaints are made they discriminate against blacks.

    Don’t enforce the rules and everybody else complains.

    If those black guys really were some kind of entrepreneurs or real estate guys accustomed to having meetings in coffee shops they would have followed the standard custom of ordering something if they are going to hold down a table.

    If it’s a long wait, go outside.

    I wonder how much the ADL will charge Starbucks for their brainwashing services? Those sessions are bad enough if you have a good job. But for part time minimum wage?

    Might as well live in the old Soviet Union and attend struggle and self criticism sessions
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  24. This is a continuation of recent rhetoric that calling the cops on a black person is equivalent to murder, because cops kill black people so often.

    Identity Europa guys, go hang out in a Starbucks.

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  25. The author’s parents are Ghanaian& Nigerian. She was raised firmly middle class and I suspect was admonished at various points of her childhood to stay away from black Americans. Now she is acting all blackety, Black. If she feels threatened for being black or uncomfortable in “white spaces” she should move to her one of her parent’s lands. Lots of black spaces there.

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  26. @Diversity Heretic
    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

    Depending on the city, libraries are notorious for attracting the homeless, many of whom are black.

    There have been some controversies about homeless people viewing porn on the internet at the library but nothing can be done about it.

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    Right, the library I used to frequent was overrun with youths using the free internet.
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  27. @bomag

    Who will train Americans to... Who will train school officials... Who will train the convenience-store managers?
     
    A pretty telling mentality; natural instincts and inclinations are not to be trusted, must have the whip hand in service to the narrative.

    There seems to be no shortage of volunteers to apply the boot to the face.

    Is it really volunteering if they expect to get paid for their “services” by the very people whose faces they are stamping on?

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  28. @bomag

    Who will train Americans to... Who will train school officials... Who will train the convenience-store managers?
     
    A pretty telling mentality; natural instincts and inclinations are not to be trusted, must have the whip hand in service to the narrative.

    There seems to be no shortage of volunteers to apply the boot to the face.

    This comment captures the authoritarian instinct behind must of leftist ideology. They simply cannot leave people alone, they want to have a continuous means of controlling society, which naturally means the threat of punishing others for having the wrong thoughts or beliefs. It’s no accident that places that went whole hog on this idea turned into repressive surveillance states with the accompanying body count.

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  29. This is like Black Calvinism. But instead of ‘salvation by grace alone’, we have ‘salvation by race alone‘. As a result, these Chosen Ones have no obligation to follow moral or religious laws…nor do they need to adhere to social norms.

    Antinomianism as cover for lawlessness–it’s brilliant!

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    Y'know, that's a brilliant insight.

    Someone once said that socialism is a Christian heresy, communism is a Jewish heresy and fascism is a pagan heresy. It's oft remarked here how proggy virtue signalling is Christian religion without the Christianity. Now I can add that Negro worship is Calvinism without Calvin.
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  30. Reconstruction made it clear that America’s WASP Elites would have the Negro accepted as Numinous, and that the whites the Yankee WASPs most despised would bear the brunt.

    This is merely development of the doctrine. And that development has a series of Robert Mugabes as end-game.

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  31. From the discussion led by Jamelle Bouie over at Slate, I learn that for a white clerk to ask a black person “Can I help you?” is a subtle but racist accusation of shoplifting. A white clerk who does not ask a black shopper if he needs help is guilty of ignoring him because of racism. What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?

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    I would not think of reading anything on Slate (so thank you for your service) Laura, but I agree partially with the guy's point. It's not the racist part, though. Blacks will bring that crap up anytime it helps their cause.

    No, "Can I help you?" is most times a euphemism for "what the hell are you doing here?" Yes, if you are in Target wandering around the same coupla' of aisles, it is a valid question, whatever color you may be. However, I have heard it many times when I was nowhere close to a store, say crossing the school grounds without any kids.

    "Can I help you?". "I don't know if you CAN help me, but no, you MAY not." is a good one at a school, followed by "Hey, what are you teachin' here anyway?" That sets 'em back about 30 seconds. Still, I don't like this. I'd rather the questioner just put it truthfully "Hey, what are you doing here?" "Don't worry about it." is an appropriate response ... till the cops come.

    Sorry, I got off on a tangent here. I see you are just talking about shopping (not that there's anything wrong with that), and I assumed the Slate guy was discussing that phrase in general. Well, I'm not gonna erase my stuff! - it'll make a good blog post later.


    What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?
     
    Damned if you do, damned if you don't, indeed. "What are you look for?" doesn't sound much better. "Hey, nice hair - one gal on our armed security force has hers the same way!", maybe. Women are good at this.
    , @Barnard
    There is no possible way to be correct, the white person will always be the oppressor and the black person will always be the victim. Now hand over all your money as reparations you racist.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    He must recognize his privilege and apologize for the wrongs done to black bodies. Only then can his sinful soul be saved.
    , @AndrewR
    The same thing I want to hear as a white person:

    "Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything."
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  32. @Seamus Padraig
    Nah ... too many Jews and Orientals. ;-)

    Libraries maybe, I’ve never seen an Asian in a bookshop

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    I've never even seen a bookshop! Well, not in the past ten years anyway.
    , @Brutusale
    Thy're there...using the free wifi.
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  33. Isn’t it time that the full might of the state was brought down on the real threat: convenience-store managers, mom-and-pop restaurants, and school officials?

    This is already starting re: the recent spats in Philadelphia over the right of (largely Asian) convenience store owners to not get shot by their (largely black) customers by putting up bulletproof glass surrounding the counter, thereby diminishing the ambiance of said establishments and making the customers feel unwelcome.

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    To be fair, from what I understand that bulletproof glass ban was for a particular type of establishment that was known to be a front for illegal drinking/drug use or somesuch - the ban was a roundabout way of trying to drive that establishment out of the city.

    It would be equivalent to banning, say, strip joints from having bulletproof glass - the goal is explicitly to get strip joints to leave.
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  34. So now calling the cops on black loiterers who won’t leave after being asked is a lynching.

    OK, cool.

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    Every time someone makes a comparison like, "calling the cops is just like lynching," it makes lynching seem a bit less heinous and a bit more reasonable.
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  35. Contra the late Rodney King, we just can’t get along.

    The latest soon-to-be-debunked hate crime:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/foul_scrawl_hits_roxbury_store

    Of course, any wipipo with the stones to actually go to Dudley Square, never mind to scrawl this innocuous graffiti, is vanishingly small. I wonder if a pale, stale male could do a popup called White Market!

    While we’re on the subject of Ghanaians, we have this:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/ice_sought_to_detain_rape_suspect_on_lam

    It’s this woman’s fault for being a chubby bleached blonde. Doesn’t she know she’s catnip to this poor African Uber driver?

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    Semi-related.... a good friend of mine who did some time with an NGO in Africa said that a fat wife is a sign of wealth. So I can't but assume that the victim's blondness was merely a lust multiplier applied to her hefty white body.
    , @Cleburne
    Semi-related.... a good friend of mine who did some time with an NGO in Africa said that a fat wife is a sign of wealth. So I can't but assume that the victim's blondness was merely a lust multiplier applied to her hefty white body.
    , @Sleep
    The White Market is a small grocery chain I remember from northern Vermont. Locals usually pronounced it "White's Market" with the stress on the second word as if it were owned by a family named White. Living there I never thought much about the name until someone from the Boston area made a joke about it getting burned down.
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  36. I live in the “wealthiest” zip code (demographics tend to be white/Asian/Indian) in a large Texas city which among other attractions contains Steve’s alma mater. There is a Starbucks near to me. Last night, when coming from from a Sons of Confederate Veterans meeting (amusingly, we did not display the CSA battle flags or sing Dixie, as is the usual custom, as a POC had someone or another found a picture of this on Yelp and complained to the manager of the restaurant where we’ve met from time immemorial) I noted seven black people chilling on the patio of said Starbucks. Maybe they were showing solidarity with the peoples in Philly. Or maybe they found it a convenient place to chill out, there being chairs and all.

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  38. @momnotmom

    Isn’t it time that the full might of the state was brought down on the real threat: convenience-store managers, mom-and-pop restaurants, and school officials?
     
    This is already starting re: the recent spats in Philadelphia over the right of (largely Asian) convenience store owners to not get shot by their (largely black) customers by putting up bulletproof glass surrounding the counter, thereby diminishing the ambiance of said establishments and making the customers feel unwelcome.

    To be fair, from what I understand that bulletproof glass ban was for a particular type of establishment that was known to be a front for illegal drinking/drug use or somesuch – the ban was a roundabout way of trying to drive that establishment out of the city.

    It would be equivalent to banning, say, strip joints from having bulletproof glass – the goal is explicitly to get strip joints to leave.

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  39. @Brutusale
    Contra the late Rodney King, we just can't get along.

    The latest soon-to-be-debunked hate crime:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/foul_scrawl_hits_roxbury_store

    Of course, any wipipo with the stones to actually go to Dudley Square, never mind to scrawl this innocuous graffiti, is vanishingly small. I wonder if a pale, stale male could do a popup called White Market!

    While we're on the subject of Ghanaians, we have this:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/ice_sought_to_detain_rape_suspect_on_lam

    It's this woman's fault for being a chubby bleached blonde. Doesn't she know she's catnip to this poor African Uber driver?

    Semi-related…. a good friend of mine who did some time with an NGO in Africa said that a fat wife is a sign of wealth. So I can’t but assume that the victim’s blondness was merely a lust multiplier applied to her hefty white body.

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  40. Apparently, our two loitering heroes now claim they “feared for their lives.”

    Simply by looking at their photos I can tell you this whole thing was a setup. They reek of “black activist.”

    https://apnews.com/45547c3ae5324b679e982c4847ee1378

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  41. @Ed
    Depending on the city, libraries are notorious for attracting the homeless, many of whom are black.

    There have been some controversies about homeless people viewing porn on the internet at the library but nothing can be done about it.

    Right, the library I used to frequent was overrun with youths using the free internet.

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  42. @Julius Caesar
    Mainstream media is now peddling "he din do nuffin" bullshit.

    Except in this case that’s precisely the point. You’re accommodated in a private establishment on the premise that you will do something, i.e. patronize the establishment. Not following a lawful order from police is also “doing nothing”.

    Pretty soon refusing to pay a bill or loan, or show up in court, will be defended as just “doing nothing”.

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  43. @Miss Laura
    From the discussion led by Jamelle Bouie over at Slate, I learn that for a white clerk to ask a black person "Can I help you?" is a subtle but racist accusation of shoplifting. A white clerk who does not ask a black shopper if he needs help is guilty of ignoring him because of racism. What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?

    I would not think of reading anything on Slate (so thank you for your service) Laura, but I agree partially with the guy’s point. It’s not the racist part, though. Blacks will bring that crap up anytime it helps their cause.

    No, “Can I help you?” is most times a euphemism for “what the hell are you doing here?” Yes, if you are in Target wandering around the same coupla’ of aisles, it is a valid question, whatever color you may be. However, I have heard it many times when I was nowhere close to a store, say crossing the school grounds without any kids.

    “Can I help you?”. “I don’t know if you CAN help me, but no, you MAY not.” is a good one at a school, followed by “Hey, what are you teachin’ here anyway?” That sets ‘em back about 30 seconds. Still, I don’t like this. I’d rather the questioner just put it truthfully “Hey, what are you doing here?” “Don’t worry about it.” is an appropriate response … till the cops come.

    Sorry, I got off on a tangent here. I see you are just talking about shopping (not that there’s anything wrong with that), and I assumed the Slate guy was discussing that phrase in general. Well, I’m not gonna erase my stuff! – it’ll make a good blog post later.

    What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, indeed. “What are you look for?” doesn’t sound much better. “Hey, nice hair – one gal on our armed security force has hers the same way!”, maybe. Women are good at this.

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  44. @Miss Laura
    From the discussion led by Jamelle Bouie over at Slate, I learn that for a white clerk to ask a black person "Can I help you?" is a subtle but racist accusation of shoplifting. A white clerk who does not ask a black shopper if he needs help is guilty of ignoring him because of racism. What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?

    There is no possible way to be correct, the white person will always be the oppressor and the black person will always be the victim. Now hand over all your money as reparations you racist.

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  45. @Diversity Heretic
    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

    Depends on the neighborhood demographics. Since the advent of the internet, libraries in certain neighborhoods could be more accurately named Free Porno Zones with the customer base you can imagine.

    OTOH, I suppose it has reduced the old fashioned loitering around newsstands, ogling the porno mag covers there. ‘Course it also reduced those old fashioned newsstands altogether…

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  46. @Brutusale
    Contra the late Rodney King, we just can't get along.

    The latest soon-to-be-debunked hate crime:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/foul_scrawl_hits_roxbury_store

    Of course, any wipipo with the stones to actually go to Dudley Square, never mind to scrawl this innocuous graffiti, is vanishingly small. I wonder if a pale, stale male could do a popup called White Market!

    While we're on the subject of Ghanaians, we have this:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/ice_sought_to_detain_rape_suspect_on_lam

    It's this woman's fault for being a chubby bleached blonde. Doesn't she know she's catnip to this poor African Uber driver?

    Semi-related…. a good friend of mine who did some time with an NGO in Africa said that a fat wife is a sign of wealth. So I can’t but assume that the victim’s blondness was merely a lust multiplier applied to her hefty white body.

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  47. @Miss Laura
    From the discussion led by Jamelle Bouie over at Slate, I learn that for a white clerk to ask a black person "Can I help you?" is a subtle but racist accusation of shoplifting. A white clerk who does not ask a black shopper if he needs help is guilty of ignoring him because of racism. What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?

    He must recognize his privilege and apologize for the wrongs done to black bodies. Only then can his sinful soul be saved.

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  48. @Anon
    From I HAVE A DREAM to I'LL HAVE SOME CREAM.

    https://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2018/04/every-time-starbucks-cucks-another.html

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    I assume this is satire, but it's hard to be sure nowadays...
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  49. @Mishra
    ...and will you please stop saying "undocumented workers"? I'm sure you believe you're appropriating, with irony, and whatnot, but using their language is playing their game.

    While I think Steve “The Smartass” Sailer resorts to irony in his rhetoric far, far too much, if you’re going to use irony then you should be consistent. He is pretending to talk like a SJW so obviously part of that is using SJW lingo. Saying “illegal aliens” “unironically” while ironically pretending to be an SJW would be incongruous.

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  50. @Twodees Partain
    So now calling the cops on black loiterers who won't leave after being asked is a lynching.

    OK, cool.

    Every time someone makes a comparison like, “calling the cops is just like lynching,” it makes lynching seem a bit less heinous and a bit more reasonable.

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    27.3% of the people lynched in the U.S. were white. Why do we never hear about them? We only hear about blacks who were lynched.

    http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
    , @Twodees Partain
    True, that. Calling the kind of piling on that an ignorant columnist gets when he writes a column expressing race hatred a lynching does the same thing. Using that kind of thing as an example does indeed make lynching appear to be just another minor social faux pas.
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  51. @Miss Laura
    From the discussion led by Jamelle Bouie over at Slate, I learn that for a white clerk to ask a black person "Can I help you?" is a subtle but racist accusation of shoplifting. A white clerk who does not ask a black shopper if he needs help is guilty of ignoring him because of racism. What is the correct white response when confronted by a black shopper?

    The same thing I want to hear as a white person:

    “Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything.”

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    “Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything.”
     
    I'm just sure that counts as a microaggression if spoken to a black person.
    , @bomag

    Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything.
     
    Nice sentiment, but customer/clerk is partly an adversarial relationship: you don't want just anyone in your store.
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  52. Meanwhile a New York Times opinionator extols the benefits of removing white people from black places, “black culture…underappreciated, disrespected or misunderstood by white people,” to avoid the “oppression” of “the policing of black people’s behavior and appearance to better appeal to white people.”

    Beyoncé and the End of Respectability Politics
    By Myles E. Johnson, April 16, 2018

    Beyoncé is at the pinnacle of her career. At the Coachella festival in the Southern California desert on Saturday, she showed that there’s nothing this mother of three can’t do. But she didn’t just kill the performance; she also rewrote the book on black respectability politics. She could have decided to play to the majority-white audience with a show that made it easier to forget cultural differences. Or she could be herself. Beyoncé chose the latter.

    In putting on a show that celebrated the diversity of black people, she conveyed that no matter how much fame or money she has, she will refuse to divorce herself from black culture, even the parts that are underappreciated, disrespected or misunderstood by white people. Beyoncé was performing her music, but she was also saying that the performance of respectability — the policing of black people’s behavior and appearance to better appeal to white people — is an oppression we don’t need in our lives.

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    "...the policing of black people’s behavior and appearance to better appeal to white people — is an oppression we don’t need in our lives."

    Did Beyotche happen to have straight blond hair while she chastised those who would embrace White cultural norms?
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  53. And how can we up the social and legal costs for people who make life-threatening decisions by calling the police on peaceful black people

    I can’t believe no published comments on here have directly addressed this line. It’s by far the most chilling part (aside from the appalling use of the word “up” as a verb in a formal context). This invader apparently wants to make it illegal to call the cops on a black person unless said individual has committed a violent crime. And this was published in a column in the third most prestigious newspaper in the country. I doubt we can vote our way out of this.

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    Nice little coffee mega-corporation you have here. I would be terrible if something happened to it.
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  54. @Anon
    I'm not really following this, but I'm funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don't, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don't have the self-esteem of a black guy?

    You can’t really know whether someone will buy something or how long it will take to do it, so it is a matter of judgement. But the two men asked for the bathroom code, which may have forced the issue. A lot of these urban cafes and fast food restaurants print the bathroom code on the receipt. When I’ve already eaten/drank something and thrown the receipt away, if I haven’t been sitting within view of the service counter, typically they’ll ask if I’m a paying customer. For those who aren’t, some will leave and try to find another public bathroom somewhere else, some will lie about having bought something earlier, some will say “it’s urgent but I’ll buy something right after”. But these guys made it clear they had no intention of buying anything.

    Not too long ago I went into a small downtown Manhattan cafe and bought a coffee just so I could use the bathroom, only to discover that there was no customer bathroom. Having to go even more badly due to the coffee, and seeing long lines in every other establishment nearby, eventually I was so desperate I used a urinal in the Fulton Center train station while a homeless dude nearby was pulling his waistband forward and gyrating his crotch beneath the air dryer. I walked past him and out of there as fast as I could so I could find yet another bathroom to wash my hands. Places have these policies for a reason.

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    Because some Blacks are asking for trouble, looking into ways to escalate the situation and get arrested. Then they can claim racial discrimination and hope for a hefty paycheck.

    Generally places like Starbucks don't care if you didn't pay as long as customers don't complain and stuff doesn't notice you. But once you go and ask to use the bathroom they're going to notice 'Have you ordered anything?'
    The same thing happened to me, like two years ago when I had to use bathroom at Starbucks. They asked me whether I bought anything (my wife bought a coffee) and then for receipt. Since we were leaving and she was already waiting for me outside I had to call her to come inside and show the receipt.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    The restroom at the South Ferry Terminal of the Staten Island Ferry has a sign that says, "No bathing or grooming in this restroom".
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  55. @Julius Caesar
    Mainstream media is now peddling "he din do nuffin" bullshit.

    The inversion of the vector of blame is amusing. The Philly police arrested the two miscreants, but it’s the Starbucks’ employee/manager who is blamed for the arrests.

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    Some articles refer to her as a former manager. So this White woman got fired because she followed the manual and told 2 loiters they should either buy something or leave and that the bathroom was for paying customers.

    I wonder if Starbucks will let her collect unemployment or claim she was fired for cause.
    It’s unbelievable how employers allow their White employees to be abused by black employees, customers and especially the way school districts allow black thugs from kindergarten up to verbally and physically assault teachers.
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  56. Starbucks is stranded at the intersection of career women who call the cops to get rid of a nuisance and Black Gentlemen who was just sittin there.

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  57. @Brutusale
    Contra the late Rodney King, we just can't get along.

    The latest soon-to-be-debunked hate crime:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/foul_scrawl_hits_roxbury_store

    Of course, any wipipo with the stones to actually go to Dudley Square, never mind to scrawl this innocuous graffiti, is vanishingly small. I wonder if a pale, stale male could do a popup called White Market!

    While we're on the subject of Ghanaians, we have this:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2018/04/ice_sought_to_detain_rape_suspect_on_lam

    It's this woman's fault for being a chubby bleached blonde. Doesn't she know she's catnip to this poor African Uber driver?

    The White Market is a small grocery chain I remember from northern Vermont. Locals usually pronounced it “White’s Market” with the stress on the second word as if it were owned by a family named White. Living there I never thought much about the name until someone from the Boston area made a joke about it getting burned down.

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  58. anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:

    Coffee shops around here used to have regular bathroom doors. But dirtball homeless started using them to take their baths in and tied them up for 40-60 minutes or so, denying customers use of them. Or falling asleep in them, doing drugs, etc. So the locks with codes had to be implemented. Also, comfortable easy chairs were removed since various lice-carriers were sleeping in them, all day if allowed. It’s always a constant struggle in some areas to keep the establishment clean and presentable for the actual customer base and keep it from turning into hangouts for undesirables. Most of these homeless are ex-cons, drug addicts, sex offenders or screaming bonkers. Why is this incident an issue? They weren’t buying anything but just hanging around and when asked to buy something or leave they refused. How many here would refuse this when told to by the police, an entirely reasonable request? Talk about hutzpah, I suppose they’ll get a payout from the craven company. Lesson to employees, corporate employers will throw you under the bus even as you try to protect their business.

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    They weren’t buying anything but just hanging around and when asked to buy something or leave they refused.
     
    They say they were waiting for a business meeting. If this is true, they'd have a pretty good case. But without, say, a table reservation this is hard to prove. Unless the arrest took longer than ten minutes. By then the other participants would have shown up.

    Race aside, I can partly commiserate with these guys (if they're being honest) because I was thrown out of a German diner in Manhattan's Yorkville almost 40 years ago. It was a cold, blustery day, and my fashionable button-down leather jacket didn't keep the wind out. I went in, all windblown, sat at the counter and ordered some potato pancakes, which the cook took and put on the range.

    Then he must have gone to the bathroom or for a smoke, because he disappeared. The other cook on duty, who hadn't seen me order, didn't even ask me what I was doing there. He just assumed I was loitering and ordered me out. I was so stunned, I didn't even argue. I ate somewhere else. I just wish I'd have seen the look on that guy's face when the first cook came back.

    So the locks with codes had to be implemented.
     

    Some of us remember dimes. Pre-inflation dimes.

    Also, comfortable easy chairs were removed since various lice-carriers were sleeping in them, all day if allowed.
     

    And the front lounge, or powder room, in the ladies' facilities in major department stores. No, I didn't go in, but it was pretty obvious when the door was opened. Ladies on stools before lighted mirrors.

    It’s always a constant struggle in some areas to keep the establishment clean and presentable for the actual customer base and keep it from turning into hangouts for undesirables.
     
    My favorite story from 2017, from Liverpuddle:

    http://uk.trendolizer.com/images/caption_6787456.jpg

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/horrified-mcdonalds-customers-watch-naked-13434799

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  59. Here’s the White homeless man, who actually had an order, being kicked out of McDonalds by latina cop because Black manager called police

    Where is the media outrage?
    Where is the public outrage?
    Where are the headlines “White man … by Latina police officer .. Black manager called the police … racial profiling?”
    Where are thousands of Whites ‘protesting’ and yelling at McDonald’s stores?
    Where are 8000 McDonald’s stores closed to provide racial bias and sensitivity training?
    Where is McDonald’s CEO flying over to give a personal apology?
    Oh, I’m sure at least they fired the manager who called the police ((( Did they?

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    Okay, when did Sofia Vergara become a police officer?
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  60. The elimination of black bodies from white spaces gets real sticky when those white spaces are forward operating bases for evil white raciss gentrification.

    So starbucks is evil, until a black body desires to loiter, at which time it becomes a white space that needs the magic hand of diversity to bless it as kosher.

    And all is well. Until the next starbucks opens, deeper into the “traditionally black neighborhood” and it becomes evil again. Or even better. A hands up dont shoot tax requires it be set on fire for being a gentrifying FOB.

    Im going to have to spend some more time on the patio of my favorite craft brewery in the up-and-coming lofty industrial neighborhood to think about how my whiteness may be contributing to black bodies hankering for white beverages that also just happen to be contributing to the plight of black bodies being forced to endure the unbearable whiteness of fixie riding coders taking over thier hoods.

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  61. @Anon
    I'm not really following this, but I'm funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don't, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don't have the self-esteem of a black guy?
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  62. @WowJustWow
    You can't really know whether someone will buy something or how long it will take to do it, so it is a matter of judgement. But the two men asked for the bathroom code, which may have forced the issue. A lot of these urban cafes and fast food restaurants print the bathroom code on the receipt. When I've already eaten/drank something and thrown the receipt away, if I haven't been sitting within view of the service counter, typically they'll ask if I'm a paying customer. For those who aren't, some will leave and try to find another public bathroom somewhere else, some will lie about having bought something earlier, some will say "it's urgent but I'll buy something right after". But these guys made it clear they had no intention of buying anything.

    Not too long ago I went into a small downtown Manhattan cafe and bought a coffee just so I could use the bathroom, only to discover that there was no customer bathroom. Having to go even more badly due to the coffee, and seeing long lines in every other establishment nearby, eventually I was so desperate I used a urinal in the Fulton Center train station while a homeless dude nearby was pulling his waistband forward and gyrating his crotch beneath the air dryer. I walked past him and out of there as fast as I could so I could find yet another bathroom to wash my hands. Places have these policies for a reason.

    Because some Blacks are asking for trouble, looking into ways to escalate the situation and get arrested. Then they can claim racial discrimination and hope for a hefty paycheck.

    Generally places like Starbucks don’t care if you didn’t pay as long as customers don’t complain and stuff doesn’t notice you. But once you go and ask to use the bathroom they’re going to notice ‘Have you ordered anything?’
    The same thing happened to me, like two years ago when I had to use bathroom at Starbucks. They asked me whether I bought anything (my wife bought a coffee) and then for receipt. Since we were leaving and she was already waiting for me outside I had to call her to come inside and show the receipt.

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    Liar, rude and/or untrusting treatment never happens to white privilegeds. Maybe you are trans or 4% black/native and don't know it yet.
    , @Twodees Partain
    I've never seen a Starbucks with a locked restroom that you need a code to unlock, and I've been in one at the Inner Harbor in Baltimore. Is this locked restroom policy just a NYC/Philly thing?
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  63. Sailer shall gain more renown
    Than Blackmun as jurist-as-clown:
    His Amendments appear
    Made-to-order each year
    Careless Framers forgot to write down.

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  64. The arrestees have spoken, and the level of sanity has not increased: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-men-arrested-philadelphia-starbucks-say-they-feared-their-lives-n867396

    Nelson and Robinson said they’re looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.

    So under their proposed changes, the situation would have gone down pretty much the exact same way, except that by not being customers, they would be the only people in the store allowed to discriminate against others.

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    Two other things, sorry if I'm stating the obvious:

    They "feared for their lives", and thought refusing to comply with the officers would give them less reason to fear?

    Also, like Clock Boy, they look pretty damn happy in the photo where they're meeting with their attorney.
    , @anon

    Nelson and Robinson said they’re looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.
     
    This is so stupid. For a long time, as I understand it, different Starbucks stores had quite a bit of leeway on how they handled people just loitering. Less busy locations would be more lenient about people just sitting around than busier ones.

    And it worked so well for a long time. But now, some people just had to screw it up, so now there have to be concrete rules for everything, because people can't be expected to just practice basic etiquette.
    , @peterike

    Nelson and Robinson said they’re looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.

     

    Oh they just happened to come up with that list? I told ya, this thing was staged from the get go.
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  65. In some places it is still OK to exclude naked woman eating cheetos from your bathtub . . . .

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/woman-eats-cheetos-naked-bath-breaking-home-cops-article-1.3943152

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  66. @Realist

    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.
     
    Art galleries is another.

    I wonder why that is.

    Classical music is effective negro repellent.

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    Jazz music being, qualitywise, the American equivalent of European classical music, and the great tragedy being that the black folks of America have turned away from their greatest accomplishment, the creation of this marvelous music, which I sincerely believe is one of the main reasons for the decline of black culture in the US.
    Wynton Marsalis, black trumpet star says that it breaks his heart to look out at an audience and see only white faces, and I understand what he means by this.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    PS There are most definitely black fans of "Classical music"
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  67. @Anon
    Yeah, all those Africans are coming to Europe without guns or grenades.

    So they must be welcomed.. or else it's like lynching.

    PS. What would happen to a white guy if he walked into a black barbershop, just sat down, and refused to ask for any service just just loiter?

    In fact blacks seek white spaces because they are safer than black spaces. But they still act 'black', so that causes problems.

    Blacks running from black problems spread those black problems.


    What the Starbucks incident has in common with the lynchings of the past

    ROTFL. Btw, weren't blacks once called 'bucks'?

    Maybe the original name of Tar Bucks?

    Looks like Starbucks is having a Coon Chicken Moment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPl6KChjjGc

    ” Blacks running from black problems spread those black problems. ”

    Just like a disease.

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  68. @Anon
    Sounds like baby steps to future land grabs a la South Africa. Today, we don't have the right to tell black men they can't illegally trespass and loiter inside our businesses without buying something. Tomorrow, they just own the business outright.

    This seems like an iSteve subject.

    Zimbabwee’s example didn’t seem to cause South Africa to be hesitant and South Africa is ploughing ahead – essentially creating a legal precedent. These actions seem to be creating a legal basis or framework.

    The constant brow-beating of “admit your privilege” including – and I don’t think a lot of people know this – but people who are slated to speak at college campuses including comedians are asked to sign a contract to “admit their privilege” in order to be invited to speak on campus – not universal, but it’s going on. All the places this happens that you don’t see – with kids in school or young adults.

    TNC and “red-lining”. Legal case. Legal framework.

    The whole thing were there was no national debate – somehow we just arrived here – that it is universally accepted – by “whites” even, including by whites who ostensibly object – that if a white person (or a person interpretable as white) is caught uttering or acting upon something which may be interpreted as racist, then we all agree that what is called for is a personal and collective exercise in re-education, i.e.: “diversity training”.

    And look: we accept it.
    We are here talking about it – complaining. National Review is complaining. Some odd bloggers and video bloggers are complaining. Unz is complaining.

    It’s like we’re letting off steam. Come May all of Starbucks will attend re-education and we will stand down. There will be no investigations by state or federal government into the collective punishment that this represents or the fundamentally un-American aspect of telegraphing to white citizens that if they betray a could-be-racist-thought, out-the-gate they will be disavowed by their employers, re-educated, and everyone in their vicinity will be re-educated.

    We have conceded: African-Americans and many other minorities are burdened by white people – they are put upon by white people – and white people should be punished.

    Come 2045 or 2050 – maybe earlier we’ll get around to it: “Land Reform”.

    Legal precedent – established in South Africa. Legal framework – 40 years in the making. Political resistance: none.

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    We're going to get so-called 'land reform' a lot sooner than that. The groundwork is being laid everywhere you look, what with AFFH and property owners prohibited from declining Section 8 tenants. We're using your tax dollars to move people you don't want next door and even into your own property.

    Public Debate? We don't have that; we have the MSM telling us "How to think about..." and "What you need to know about..." and so on. If you object in even the gentlest of terms, you are racist and therefore have no rights.

    So tell us now: Why are you passionate?

    https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screenshot-2017-09-23-15.48.07.png
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  69. @Medvedev
    Because some Blacks are asking for trouble, looking into ways to escalate the situation and get arrested. Then they can claim racial discrimination and hope for a hefty paycheck.

    Generally places like Starbucks don't care if you didn't pay as long as customers don't complain and stuff doesn't notice you. But once you go and ask to use the bathroom they're going to notice 'Have you ordered anything?'
    The same thing happened to me, like two years ago when I had to use bathroom at Starbucks. They asked me whether I bought anything (my wife bought a coffee) and then for receipt. Since we were leaving and she was already waiting for me outside I had to call her to come inside and show the receipt.

    Liar, rude and/or untrusting treatment never happens to white privilegeds. Maybe you are trans or 4% black/native and don’t know it yet.

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  70. @CCZ
    Meanwhile a New York Times opinionator extols the benefits of removing white people from black places, “black culture...underappreciated, disrespected or misunderstood by white people,” to avoid the “oppression” of “the policing of black people’s behavior and appearance to better appeal to white people.”

    Beyoncé and the End of Respectability Politics
    By Myles E. Johnson, April 16, 2018

    Beyoncé is at the pinnacle of her career. At the Coachella festival in the Southern California desert on Saturday, she showed that there’s nothing this mother of three can’t do. But she didn’t just kill the performance; she also rewrote the book on black respectability politics. She could have decided to play to the majority-white audience with a show that made it easier to forget cultural differences. Or she could be herself. Beyoncé chose the latter.

    In putting on a show that celebrated the diversity of black people, she conveyed that no matter how much fame or money she has, she will refuse to divorce herself from black culture, even the parts that are underappreciated, disrespected or misunderstood by white people. Beyoncé was performing her music, but she was also saying that the performance of respectability — the policing of black people’s behavior and appearance to better appeal to white people — is an oppression we don’t need in our lives.

     

    “…the policing of black people’s behavior and appearance to better appeal to white people — is an oppression we don’t need in our lives.”

    Did Beyotche happen to have straight blond hair while she chastised those who would embrace White cultural norms?

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  71. @Realist

    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.
     
    Art galleries is another.

    I wonder why that is.

    Not too many POCs at the Met Opera last night in NYC.

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    Back when I used to attend, there were always a very few and IME they were very much worth knowing. Sucks to be them, though. I honestly commiserate.
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  72. @WowJustWow
    The arrestees have spoken, and the level of sanity has not increased: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-men-arrested-philadelphia-starbucks-say-they-feared-their-lives-n867396

    Nelson and Robinson said they're looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.
     
    So under their proposed changes, the situation would have gone down pretty much the exact same way, except that by not being customers, they would be the only people in the store allowed to discriminate against others.

    Two other things, sorry if I’m stating the obvious:

    They “feared for their lives”, and thought refusing to comply with the officers would give them less reason to fear?

    Also, like Clock Boy, they look pretty damn happy in the photo where they’re meeting with their attorney.

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    They “feared for their lives”, and thought refusing to comply with the officers would give them less reason to fear?

    I'm starting to wonder if maybe these people have a hard time thinking things through.
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  73. This quote is as true today as it was when it was made on November 27, 1993:

    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps… then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

    Guess who said it?

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    Jesse Jackson, but with a more ebonic inflection.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Jesse Jackson

    (no, I didn't need to look it up)
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  74. @WowJustWow
    You can't really know whether someone will buy something or how long it will take to do it, so it is a matter of judgement. But the two men asked for the bathroom code, which may have forced the issue. A lot of these urban cafes and fast food restaurants print the bathroom code on the receipt. When I've already eaten/drank something and thrown the receipt away, if I haven't been sitting within view of the service counter, typically they'll ask if I'm a paying customer. For those who aren't, some will leave and try to find another public bathroom somewhere else, some will lie about having bought something earlier, some will say "it's urgent but I'll buy something right after". But these guys made it clear they had no intention of buying anything.

    Not too long ago I went into a small downtown Manhattan cafe and bought a coffee just so I could use the bathroom, only to discover that there was no customer bathroom. Having to go even more badly due to the coffee, and seeing long lines in every other establishment nearby, eventually I was so desperate I used a urinal in the Fulton Center train station while a homeless dude nearby was pulling his waistband forward and gyrating his crotch beneath the air dryer. I walked past him and out of there as fast as I could so I could find yet another bathroom to wash my hands. Places have these policies for a reason.

    The restroom at the South Ferry Terminal of the Staten Island Ferry has a sign that says, “No bathing or grooming in this restroom”.

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    I hoped that was what he was doing, but got the strong impression he might have been doing something... else, and I definitely didn't want to look closely enough to find out which one it was.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    There’s really no excuse for anyone not bathing, even if you’re homeless. You can get a cheap gym membership for $20 per month and take showers there every day.
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  75. Yeah, but answer this: can Blackbucks Coffee expel loitering black bodies, or does this sensitivity apply only to Whitebucks?

    Also, can Whitebucks flip me the bird while I am loitering there if I identify as black?

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  76. Johnson proposes a legal remedy. “You can get arrested for pulling a fire alarm, making fake bomb threats and making false claims of an alien invasion — why not a false police report that results in death?” he wrote. “We should be pushing for prosecution against these callers just as much as the cops who pull the trigger.”

    Maybe something like this could help.

    Black people think dumb ideas are great until they can understand how dumb they are…which is usually long after other people have already figured it out. In black neighborhoods – where some black people commonly murder other black people – blacks often sic the cops on other blacks for personal reasons (surprise, surprise.) So when this great new law to protect black people potentially gets more black people arrested than white people, it’ll suddenly become racist. Ah, but then it can also be used as a new excuse why black people are afraid to deal with or call the police.

    I guess the law can only be valid when whites call the cops on blacks. That caveat should be ok since the US Constitution is racist.

    Malicious intent is the real factor, and there are already laws about that.

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    That’s what happened with crack cocaine. The congressional black caucus was the group that pushed through all the additional penalties for buying possessing and selling it.

    Their reason was that crack cocaine affected blacks.

    But when police and prosecutors began enforcing the CBC crack laws the CBC and the rest of the black and Jew liberals screamed and hollered because the CBC laws were enforced.

    If enough nasty homeless hang out in Starbucks all day, the White customers will leave.
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  77. “The Negative First Amendment says blacks, as long as they aren’t armed, can be anywhere they want for as long as they want, and just because you happen to own the property they are on, you can’t do anything about it, because you are white.”

    I think that’s from the Civil Rights Act, not yet another unwritten part of the Constitution.

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  78. … today’s immigrant sex gang verdict :

    http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm?blog_id=67322

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  79. What worked 50-60 years ago was confluent white guilt, which most of us were willing to apply when braced with testimony of lynching, water coolers, etc. Now, however, there are too many low-volt “Marvin Luther King” moments, and the chimp-outs don’t work. It was amusing to see the ADL dumped on the tarmac in Klanista re-education staffing, though.

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  80. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Elsewhere
    Every time someone makes a comparison like, "calling the cops is just like lynching," it makes lynching seem a bit less heinous and a bit more reasonable.

    27.3% of the people lynched in the U.S. were white. Why do we never hear about them? We only hear about blacks who were lynched.

    http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

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    "Why do we never hear about them?"
     
    Because White Lives Don't Matter.

    Next question.

    , @Roderick Spode
    I'm pretty sure white people account for much more than twenty-seven percent of all lynchings that have ever happened in America. The black population is small, and white-on-white mob justice seems to have been very common on the frontier, no?
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  81. @Anon
    Sounds like baby steps to future land grabs a la South Africa. Today, we don't have the right to tell black men they can't illegally trespass and loiter inside our businesses without buying something. Tomorrow, they just own the business outright.

    Evil white oppressors are being primed for the complete turnover of all white property/assets , meaning : Total reparations:

    A question which has never been approached to my knowledge up to this day : If the Europeans and early Americans had been black and and the Africans white, would slavery not have occured, which is the silent implication of the SJW maniacs.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

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  82. anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @WowJustWow
    The arrestees have spoken, and the level of sanity has not increased: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-men-arrested-philadelphia-starbucks-say-they-feared-their-lives-n867396

    Nelson and Robinson said they're looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.
     
    So under their proposed changes, the situation would have gone down pretty much the exact same way, except that by not being customers, they would be the only people in the store allowed to discriminate against others.

    Nelson and Robinson said they’re looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.

    This is so stupid. For a long time, as I understand it, different Starbucks stores had quite a bit of leeway on how they handled people just loitering. Less busy locations would be more lenient about people just sitting around than busier ones.

    And it worked so well for a long time. But now, some people just had to screw it up, so now there have to be concrete rules for everything, because people can’t be expected to just practice basic etiquette.

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  83. @WowJustWow
    Two other things, sorry if I'm stating the obvious:

    They "feared for their lives", and thought refusing to comply with the officers would give them less reason to fear?

    Also, like Clock Boy, they look pretty damn happy in the photo where they're meeting with their attorney.

    They “feared for their lives”, and thought refusing to comply with the officers would give them less reason to fear?

    I’m starting to wonder if maybe these people have a hard time thinking things through.

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  84. @SunBakedSuburb
    Classical music is effective negro repellent.

    Jazz music being, qualitywise, the American equivalent of European classical music, and the great tragedy being that the black folks of America have turned away from their greatest accomplishment, the creation of this marvelous music, which I sincerely believe is one of the main reasons for the decline of black culture in the US.
    Wynton Marsalis, black trumpet star says that it breaks his heart to look out at an audience and see only white faces, and I understand what he means by this.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    PS There are most definitely black fans of “Classical music”

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    Blacks have turned away from harmony and have become slaves to beat. But isn't rap and hip hop a return to their African roots?
    , @Thirdeye
    A reason or a symptom? R&B used to be great before James Brown put spectacle above musicianship. By the cocaine-fueled 70s it wasn't about the music anymore. It was about stardom, instant gratification, and narcissism. Those tendencies even afflicted jazz during the fusion era. Jazz achieved greatness from its sense of deep connection and moral commitment that brought forth true dedication - things absent from commercial black music for decades now.
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  85. @Anon
    I'm not really following this, but I'm funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don't, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don't have the self-esteem of a black guy?

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    None of us knows exactly what went down here. But forgive me for suspecting that the term “motherfucker” was likely deployed during the proceedings.

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  86. The Negative First Amendment says blacks, as long as they aren’t armed, can be anywhere they want for as long as they want, and just because you happen to own the property they are on, you can’t do anything about it, because you are white.

    As Art Deco pointed out recently, it’s worse than that. The Negative First Amendment also says that blacks, as long as they aren’t armed, can administer a beating to a white man and he is obliged to take it or defend himself without the use of a weapon. If, in fear for his life, he uses deadly force to defend himself, he will be treated as a murderer. Granted, George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson were exonerated after their trials, but their lives have been ruined.

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  87. @Yan Shen
    I remember when this NYT article had its title changed, probably after numerous people pointed out that Asians were overrepresented in Bay Area tech. I think Steve blogged about that one also.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/upshot/if-you-work-in-silicon-valley-odds-are-youre-a-white-man.html

    Here’s the City Data page for Jeff Bezos’s town of primary residence:

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Medina-Washington.html


    Blacks account for .3% of the population there. That’s point-three. Three-tenths of one percent.

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  88. Here’s a question for those of you asking how iSteve-ish Noticing can translate into profit?

    This Starbucks story has obvious implications implications for Starbucks’ business model going forward: it is now wedged between the rock of hypocritical hipster virtue signalling and the hard place of dealing with black dysfunction. Furthermore, it now has a bullseye firmly affixed to it that every black grifter and shakedown artist an see and will home in on. The CEO has publicly declared his intention to cuck as hard and deep as possible. So…

    …shorting opportunity?

    So far the stock price hasn’t budged, despite the story being a week old, and the implications being obvious to Those Who Can See. Facebook took a hit in March. Why not Starbucks in April? Are those famously flinty-eyed Wall Street traders too Diversity whipped to see it too?

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    It may take a while to notice, but it's already happening. The manager of the one I frequent said that the Asian teens who come to do computer work aren't buying drinks now.

    The Starbucks business model can only exist in a high-trust society.
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  89. @Seneca44
    This quote is as true today as it was when it was made on November 27, 1993:

    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

    Guess who said it?

    Jesse Jackson, but with a more ebonic inflection.

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  90. @Anon
    I'm not really following this, but I'm funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called? For instance, at about what time did the two guys enter the store, what happened subsequently, for instance, did the manager approach them and ask if they were going to order anything, and if so at about what time, and what was their response. When were the cops called.

    Also, what is the evidence about what Starbucks does when white people do the same thing (same time spans, same request)? Is there a claim that white and black customers are treated differently? Or that when asked to buy something white customers do or leave, while black customers, for reasons of culture, don't, and their culture should be respected?

    I as a white person would buy something or leave if confronted. Maybe I just don't have the self-esteem of a black guy?

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called?

    Me too. I have read the accounts and they are not entirely clear. Apparently the two guys were realtors and were meeting another guy for a business meeting of some kind, but I suspect they were not in business attire.

    I had a job when I had to be all over the city all day, and would sometimes stop to use bathrooms, usually in supermarkets, but sometimes at gas stations, pharmacies, or a MacDonalds. Sometimes I also made a purchase, sometimes not.

    I don’t think I was ever asked to make a purchase, but my view, especially in the case of gas stations would be that they provide (hopefully clean) bathrooms as an incentive to attract customers, and of course all motorists have to buy gasoline sooner or later. However I did notice that gas stations seem to attract a lot of riffraff, and sometimes have beggars on the forecourt, probably because they sell alcohol and lottery tickets. (Actually a whole essay could be written on the application of Gresham’s Law in the case of gas stations driving cafes out of business.)

    I did notice that sometimes homeless individuals did try to take up residence in supermarket bathrooms, especially in cold weather, which must be an ongoing problem for supermarket managements.

    Apparently Starbucks does have a problem with transient bathroom users and requires a numeric code to get into the bathroom. (Some gas stations will give you a key on a large piece of wood and direct you across the yard.)

    Why on earth one of these two gentlemen did not make a minimal purchase as a token payment for the use of the bathroom is the unanswered question. It would just seem to be good business practice for a realtor to cultivate good relationships in the community, and a chance to give Starbucks employees a business card.

    I suspect there is more to the story that may or may not come out. Since one of the gentlemen had, it is reported, been a customer of that Starbucks since the age of 15, he must have been known there.

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    The bathrooms at the Starbucks in Cedar Rapids IA do not have numeric codes on the bathroom doors. I wonder what the difference is between Cedar Rapids and say, Philly. I am sure some nice smart white people can explain.
    , @Mishra

    I suspect there is more to the story that may or may not come out.
     
    Of course there's more to the story and no, it won't come out.
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  91. Maybe this whole thing was engineered by Trump.

    It could be Covfefe was a subliminal message to blacks to mess up Starbucks.

    It meant ‘covet free coffee’

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  92. @WowJustWow
    The arrestees have spoken, and the level of sanity has not increased: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-men-arrested-philadelphia-starbucks-say-they-feared-their-lives-n867396

    Nelson and Robinson said they're looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.
     
    So under their proposed changes, the situation would have gone down pretty much the exact same way, except that by not being customers, they would be the only people in the store allowed to discriminate against others.

    Nelson and Robinson said they’re looking for more lasting results and are in mediation proceedings with Starbucks to implement changes, including the posting in stores of a customer bill of rights; the adoption of new policies regarding customer ejections, racial profiling and racial discrimination; and independent investigations of complaints of profiling or discrimination from customers and employees.

    Oh they just happened to come up with that list? I told ya, this thing was staged from the get go.

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  93. Wynton Marsalis, black trumpet star says that it breaks his heart to look out at an audience and see only white faces, and I understand what he means by this.

    When I saw Marsalis perform live there were lots of black faces in the audience. Of course this was in Bermuda.

    Very nice guy. A friend of mine, my landlord, who played trumpet in the Bermuda regimental band, spoke to Marsalis backstage after the gig, and on hearing that my friend was a trumpeter, sent him to run to his car and retrieve his horn, and then gave him a free half-hour individual trumpet lesson.

    I like this performance:

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  94. @Bitfu
    This is like Black Calvinism. But instead of 'salvation by grace alone', we have 'salvation by race alone'. As a result, these Chosen Ones have no obligation to follow moral or religious laws...nor do they need to adhere to social norms.

    Antinomianism as cover for lawlessness--it's brilliant!

    Y’know, that’s a brilliant insight.

    Someone once said that socialism is a Christian heresy, communism is a Jewish heresy and fascism is a pagan heresy. It’s oft remarked here how proggy virtue signalling is Christian religion without the Christianity. Now I can add that Negro worship is Calvinism without Calvin.

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    "Now I can add that Negro worship is Calvinism without Calvin."

    Except when the negro's name is Calvin.

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  95. @Jim Don Bob
    The restroom at the South Ferry Terminal of the Staten Island Ferry has a sign that says, "No bathing or grooming in this restroom".

    I hoped that was what he was doing, but got the strong impression he might have been doing something… else, and I definitely didn’t want to look closely enough to find out which one it was.

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  96. @Jonathan Mason

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called?
     
    Me too. I have read the accounts and they are not entirely clear. Apparently the two guys were realtors and were meeting another guy for a business meeting of some kind, but I suspect they were not in business attire.

    I had a job when I had to be all over the city all day, and would sometimes stop to use bathrooms, usually in supermarkets, but sometimes at gas stations, pharmacies, or a MacDonalds. Sometimes I also made a purchase, sometimes not.

    I don't think I was ever asked to make a purchase, but my view, especially in the case of gas stations would be that they provide (hopefully clean) bathrooms as an incentive to attract customers, and of course all motorists have to buy gasoline sooner or later. However I did notice that gas stations seem to attract a lot of riffraff, and sometimes have beggars on the forecourt, probably because they sell alcohol and lottery tickets. (Actually a whole essay could be written on the application of Gresham's Law in the case of gas stations driving cafes out of business.)

    I did notice that sometimes homeless individuals did try to take up residence in supermarket bathrooms, especially in cold weather, which must be an ongoing problem for supermarket managements.

    Apparently Starbucks does have a problem with transient bathroom users and requires a numeric code to get into the bathroom. (Some gas stations will give you a key on a large piece of wood and direct you across the yard.)

    Why on earth one of these two gentlemen did not make a minimal purchase as a token payment for the use of the bathroom is the unanswered question. It would just seem to be good business practice for a realtor to cultivate good relationships in the community, and a chance to give Starbucks employees a business card.

    I suspect there is more to the story that may or may not come out. Since one of the gentlemen had, it is reported, been a customer of that Starbucks since the age of 15, he must have been known there.

    The bathrooms at the Starbucks in Cedar Rapids IA do not have numeric codes on the bathroom doors. I wonder what the difference is between Cedar Rapids and say, Philly. I am sure some nice smart white people can explain.

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    The bathrooms at the Starbucks in Cedar Rapids IA do not have numeric codes on the bathroom doors. I wonder what the difference is between Cedar Rapids and say, Philly.
     
    They have other ways of Czeching you out in Cedar Rapids. And you can learn a lot about someone from a "speed hump".

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Czech_Village_in_Cedar_Rapids.jpg

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  97. @Polynikes
    My cousin's wife manages a downtown Starbucks in a medium sized city. They have to throw out people, mostly homeless, all the time. Many of them are white...probably most of them, in fact. Usually their policy is to call the police and have them do it since it is mostly females that work there.

    I doubt there is much to this story other than somebody recorded it on their phone and the internet picked it up.

    I doubt there is much to this story other than somebody recorded it on their phone and the internet picked it up.

    That and there just happened to be a politically connected guy using activist language in front of the camera as soon as it happened.

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  98. @Anonymous
    27.3% of the people lynched in the U.S. were white. Why do we never hear about them? We only hear about blacks who were lynched.

    http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

    “Why do we never hear about them?”

    Because White Lives Don’t Matter.

    Next question.

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  99. @Seneca44
    This quote is as true today as it was when it was made on November 27, 1993:

    “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

    Guess who said it?

    Jesse Jackson

    (no, I didn’t need to look it up)

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  100. @Medvedev
    Here's the White homeless man, who actually had an order, being kicked out of McDonalds by latina cop because Black manager called police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvQCj0h4sw

    Where is the media outrage?
    Where is the public outrage?
    Where are the headlines "White man ... by Latina police officer .. Black manager called the police ... racial profiling?"
    Where are thousands of Whites 'protesting' and yelling at McDonald's stores?
    Where are 8000 McDonald's stores closed to provide racial bias and sensitivity training?
    Where is McDonald's CEO flying over to give a personal apology?
    Oh, I'm sure at least they fired the manager who called the police ((( Did they?

    Okay, when did Sofia Vergara become a police officer?

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  101. @Authenticjazzman
    Jazz music being, qualitywise, the American equivalent of European classical music, and the great tragedy being that the black folks of America have turned away from their greatest accomplishment, the creation of this marvelous music, which I sincerely believe is one of the main reasons for the decline of black culture in the US.
    Wynton Marsalis, black trumpet star says that it breaks his heart to look out at an audience and see only white faces, and I understand what he means by this.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    PS There are most definitely black fans of "Classical music"

    Blacks have turned away from harmony and have become slaves to beat. But isn’t rap and hip hop a return to their African roots?

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  102. @Anonymous
    27.3% of the people lynched in the U.S. were white. Why do we never hear about them? We only hear about blacks who were lynched.

    http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

    I’m pretty sure white people account for much more than twenty-seven percent of all lynchings that have ever happened in America. The black population is small, and white-on-white mob justice seems to have been very common on the frontier, no?

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  103. @Jim Don Bob
    The restroom at the South Ferry Terminal of the Staten Island Ferry has a sign that says, "No bathing or grooming in this restroom".

    There’s really no excuse for anyone not bathing, even if you’re homeless. You can get a cheap gym membership for $20 per month and take showers there every day.

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  104. Starbucks and the elimination of black people

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  105. @Buck Turgidson
    The bathrooms at the Starbucks in Cedar Rapids IA do not have numeric codes on the bathroom doors. I wonder what the difference is between Cedar Rapids and say, Philly. I am sure some nice smart white people can explain.

    The bathrooms at the Starbucks in Cedar Rapids IA do not have numeric codes on the bathroom doors. I wonder what the difference is between Cedar Rapids and say, Philly.

    They have other ways of Czeching you out in Cedar Rapids. And you can learn a lot about someone from a “speed hump”.

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  106. @Elsewhere
    Every time someone makes a comparison like, "calling the cops is just like lynching," it makes lynching seem a bit less heinous and a bit more reasonable.

    True, that. Calling the kind of piling on that an ignorant columnist gets when he writes a column expressing race hatred a lynching does the same thing. Using that kind of thing as an example does indeed make lynching appear to be just another minor social faux pas.

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  107. @Medvedev
    Because some Blacks are asking for trouble, looking into ways to escalate the situation and get arrested. Then they can claim racial discrimination and hope for a hefty paycheck.

    Generally places like Starbucks don't care if you didn't pay as long as customers don't complain and stuff doesn't notice you. But once you go and ask to use the bathroom they're going to notice 'Have you ordered anything?'
    The same thing happened to me, like two years ago when I had to use bathroom at Starbucks. They asked me whether I bought anything (my wife bought a coffee) and then for receipt. Since we were leaving and she was already waiting for me outside I had to call her to come inside and show the receipt.

    I’ve never seen a Starbucks with a locked restroom that you need a code to unlock, and I’ve been in one at the Inner Harbor in Baltimore. Is this locked restroom policy just a NYC/Philly thing?

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  108. @Almost Missouri
    Y'know, that's a brilliant insight.

    Someone once said that socialism is a Christian heresy, communism is a Jewish heresy and fascism is a pagan heresy. It's oft remarked here how proggy virtue signalling is Christian religion without the Christianity. Now I can add that Negro worship is Calvinism without Calvin.

    “Now I can add that Negro worship is Calvinism without Calvin.”

    Except when the negro’s name is Calvin.

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  109. A funny outlier

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  110. Since Starbucks now has a big target on there back, they will tested, time and time again. It makes me wonder how the education of young progressive White grads of Smith, Oberlin and Occidental colleges will hold up? As many of the psychology and women studies majors won’t be able to get real jobs they will have to become barista’s at Starbucks. I can just imagine the beta boy and waif like White girl barista’s minds racing to eliminate all micro aggression’s when a group of 300 pound Black women start demanding there free reparation latte’s.

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  111. anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Reporters don’t dig too much anymore. Pennsylvania has all its Criminal Dockets online for the public to access (https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CP.aspx) if you enter Rashon Nelson and Philadelphia County you’re given results for one Rashone Nelson (note the different spelling) with a listed date of birth of December 28, 1994. That would make Rashone Nelson 23 years old. The same age that’s reported for Rashon. In 2014, after pleading guilty, Rashone was sentenced to 11 1/2 – 23 months in county jail for felony possession of a firearm and is currently on probation/parole.

    Rashone Nelson is also listed as a graduate from John Bartram High School (Phila.) in February 2014. Rashon’s facebook page indicates he attended John Bartram High.

    So is Rashon Nelson also Rashone Nelson? Seems like a reasonable question that no reporter has asked. It may explain why Messers. Nelson and Robinson were held so long without being charged — it would be the usual procedure to check with the probation/parole office to see if they wanted them held. Either they didn’t because the charges were small potatoes (the DA ended up not filing) or, Rashon is NOT Rashone. Inquiring minds want to know.

    More information here: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/rashon-nelson-starbucks-arrest-philadelphia-neighbors-omega-psi-phi-fraternity-philly-20180418.html

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    The casual lying by whoever wrote the Philly.com article is eye-popping. It states they were arrested "for not ordering anything". Uhh...no they weren't.
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  112. Many Whites who wander into Black spaces are eliminated. . . literally.

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  113. @anonymous
    Coffee shops around here used to have regular bathroom doors. But dirtball homeless started using them to take their baths in and tied them up for 40-60 minutes or so, denying customers use of them. Or falling asleep in them, doing drugs, etc. So the locks with codes had to be implemented. Also, comfortable easy chairs were removed since various lice-carriers were sleeping in them, all day if allowed. It's always a constant struggle in some areas to keep the establishment clean and presentable for the actual customer base and keep it from turning into hangouts for undesirables. Most of these homeless are ex-cons, drug addicts, sex offenders or screaming bonkers. Why is this incident an issue? They weren't buying anything but just hanging around and when asked to buy something or leave they refused. How many here would refuse this when told to by the police, an entirely reasonable request? Talk about hutzpah, I suppose they'll get a payout from the craven company. Lesson to employees, corporate employers will throw you under the bus even as you try to protect their business.

    They weren’t buying anything but just hanging around and when asked to buy something or leave they refused.

    They say they were waiting for a business meeting. If this is true, they’d have a pretty good case. But without, say, a table reservation this is hard to prove. Unless the arrest took longer than ten minutes. By then the other participants would have shown up.

    Race aside, I can partly commiserate with these guys (if they’re being honest) because I was thrown out of a German diner in Manhattan’s Yorkville almost 40 years ago. It was a cold, blustery day, and my fashionable button-down leather jacket didn’t keep the wind out. I went in, all windblown, sat at the counter and ordered some potato pancakes, which the cook took and put on the range.

    Then he must have gone to the bathroom or for a smoke, because he disappeared. The other cook on duty, who hadn’t seen me order, didn’t even ask me what I was doing there. He just assumed I was loitering and ordered me out. I was so stunned, I didn’t even argue. I ate somewhere else. I just wish I’d have seen the look on that guy’s face when the first cook came back.

    So the locks with codes had to be implemented.

    Some of us remember dimes. Pre-inflation dimes.

    Also, comfortable easy chairs were removed since various lice-carriers were sleeping in them, all day if allowed.

    And the front lounge, or powder room, in the ladies’ facilities in major department stores. No, I didn’t go in, but it was pretty obvious when the door was opened. Ladies on stools before lighted mirrors.

    It’s always a constant struggle in some areas to keep the establishment clean and presentable for the actual customer base and keep it from turning into hangouts for undesirables.

    My favorite story from 2017, from Liverpuddle:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/horrified-mcdonalds-customers-watch-naked-13434799

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    ... because I was thrown out of a German diner in Manhattan’s Yorkville almost 40 years ago ...
     
    Reg, I’m suprised you’re that old (at least late 50s?) you seem too hip — your taste in music, cinema, etc.

    …sat at the counter and ordered some potato pancakes …
     
    I guess a Regular Caesar (salad) wasn’t on the Hun’s menu?
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  114. A lot of reactions from Starbucks baristas harvested and analyzed here:

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/168776761

    Apparently it’s still happening. If you have not already done so, and are appropriately skinned, demand your free coffee now, before they wise up.

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    This is NOT funny.

    The store manager has been identified (I won't give her name here) and is now being roasted on social media. Photograph everywhere.

    She's had to delete all her social media accounts. She made a few innocuous comments on Facebook about serving non-English speakers and it's all over Twitter.

    It's the Gulag, 21st century style. Where is she going to find a job? Cedar Rapids?
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  115. anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    They weren’t buying anything but just hanging around and when asked to buy something or leave they refused.
     
    They say they were waiting for a business meeting. If this is true, they'd have a pretty good case. But without, say, a table reservation this is hard to prove. Unless the arrest took longer than ten minutes. By then the other participants would have shown up.

    Race aside, I can partly commiserate with these guys (if they're being honest) because I was thrown out of a German diner in Manhattan's Yorkville almost 40 years ago. It was a cold, blustery day, and my fashionable button-down leather jacket didn't keep the wind out. I went in, all windblown, sat at the counter and ordered some potato pancakes, which the cook took and put on the range.

    Then he must have gone to the bathroom or for a smoke, because he disappeared. The other cook on duty, who hadn't seen me order, didn't even ask me what I was doing there. He just assumed I was loitering and ordered me out. I was so stunned, I didn't even argue. I ate somewhere else. I just wish I'd have seen the look on that guy's face when the first cook came back.

    So the locks with codes had to be implemented.
     

    Some of us remember dimes. Pre-inflation dimes.

    Also, comfortable easy chairs were removed since various lice-carriers were sleeping in them, all day if allowed.
     

    And the front lounge, or powder room, in the ladies' facilities in major department stores. No, I didn't go in, but it was pretty obvious when the door was opened. Ladies on stools before lighted mirrors.

    It’s always a constant struggle in some areas to keep the establishment clean and presentable for the actual customer base and keep it from turning into hangouts for undesirables.
     
    My favorite story from 2017, from Liverpuddle:

    http://uk.trendolizer.com/images/caption_6787456.jpg

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/horrified-mcdonalds-customers-watch-naked-13434799

    … because I was thrown out of a German diner in Manhattan’s Yorkville almost 40 years ago

    Reg, I’m suprised you’re that old (at least late 50s?) you seem too hip — your taste in music, cinema, etc.

    …sat at the counter and ordered some potato pancakes …

    I guess a Regular Caesar (salad) wasn’t on the Hun’s menu?

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  116. @J.Ross
    A lot of reactions from Starbucks baristas harvested and analyzed here:
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/168776761
    Apparently it's still happening. If you have not already done so, and are appropriately skinned, demand your free coffee now, before they wise up.

    This is NOT funny.

    The store manager has been identified (I won’t give her name here) and is now being roasted on social media. Photograph everywhere.

    She’s had to delete all her social media accounts. She made a few innocuous comments on Facebook about serving non-English speakers and it’s all over Twitter.

    It’s the Gulag, 21st century style. Where is she going to find a job? Cedar Rapids?

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    I notice the neighborhood woman who videoed the encounter, put it on twitter, and whines to the cops in it, Melissa DePino (she’s flogging a “novel” so she wants her name out there), sent her children to the private “THE Philadelphia School” — https://www.greatschools.org/pennsylvania/philadelphia/3924-The-Philadelphia-School/

    I like how they named it to sound like a public school. Just like the city for which it’s named it’s 66% White and 12% Black. Tuition is an easily affordable at just north of 20 grand. By the way this isn’t doxing, Missy lists all this info on her website: www.melissdepino.com and her twitter: https:/www.twitter.com/missydepino. I’m starting to thin Whiskey is onto something.

    , @J.Ross
    >work at self-righteous totalitarian company
    >get in trouble for an opinion
    Like pottery.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    She’s had to delete all her social media accounts. ! [my exclamation point!]
     
    Well, I'm all broken up about that lady's social media accounts. [/D.Harry] OK, I know it's a big thing now, but this stuff IS taken too seriously - the twittering and all. I do feel sorry for her, and if you'd said she received threats of some sort, even more so.

    I hope she learns not to even work with the SJWs, if that's possible, but the best thing about this for her is she may be able to go outside, without a phone harassing her every coupla minutes and see what the world is about.

    Oh, "roasted" on social media - I like that one. ;-}
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  117. Starbucks to Hire former Imperial Wizard to help with “race-neutral” employee training.

    Starbucks, amid furor from social justice warriors and others in the lefty media after an employee booted two deadbeats from a store last week, announced that it will close all 8,000 US stores on May 29 for an all-day seminar for employees. Staunchly denying that the unofficial company motto is “Coffee is the only black thing we want in our stores,” Starbucks finds itself reeling from accusations of racism from the Philadelphia incident. As readers may remember, the April 14 incident involved two black men at a Philadelphia cafe. They had not bought anything. One asked to use the toilet, which is only for paying customers. A store employee asked them to leave. The two men refused. At this point, they were trespassing. Police were summoned. Again, the police asked the men to leave. They refused. They were arrested. “We’re a coffee shop, not a [expletive] waiting room with free toilets, coffee and wi-fi, for crying out loud,” said president Howard Schultz. Starbucks will assemble a team of famous stuffed shirts, including David Duke, onetime head of the KKK, to set up what they claim will be race-neutral sensitivity training. “It’s not just nig-, um, neglected members of society coming in here to make drug deals, roll blunts, or call their ‘ho’,” complained Schultz. “It’s all these white people too! They come in here and work on their laptops, make calls and work all morning. If we’re lucky they’ll buy one small coffee and sip it all day.” While they may have to adjust to local trespass laws, Starbucks hopes to have a company-wide policy that anyone who does not purchase at least one item every fifteen minutes will be asked to leave, or will be escorted out by the police.

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  118. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/DennisDMZ/status/985688065778696192

    I assume this is satire, but it’s hard to be sure nowadays…

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    It's satire. At Starbucks ALL the regular coffee is served black and you add your own dairy.
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  119. RW says:

    “It’s a real estate meeting. We’ve been working on this for months,” Robinson said. “We’re days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that.”

    When I am about to cinch a real estate deal that’s about to change my life, I always make sure to wear sweatpants to the meeting with my drawstring undone. What a bunch of crap.

    PHOTO: Two men were arrested at a Starbucks in Philadelphia, April 12, 2018. (Twitter)

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/men-arrested-starbucks-were-business-meeting-hoping-change-114103068–abc-news-topstories.html

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    “We’re days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that.”
     
    Dey was JES bout to turn dey lives roun' ... now look what y'all done!
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  120. anon[349] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Obsessive Contrarian
    This is NOT funny.

    The store manager has been identified (I won't give her name here) and is now being roasted on social media. Photograph everywhere.

    She's had to delete all her social media accounts. She made a few innocuous comments on Facebook about serving non-English speakers and it's all over Twitter.

    It's the Gulag, 21st century style. Where is she going to find a job? Cedar Rapids?

    I notice the neighborhood woman who videoed the encounter, put it on twitter, and whines to the cops in it, Melissa DePino (she’s flogging a “novel” so she wants her name out there), sent her children to the private “THE Philadelphia School” — https://www.greatschools.org/pennsylvania/philadelphia/3924-The-Philadelphia-School/

    I like how they named it to sound like a public school. Just like the city for which it’s named it’s 66% White and 12% Black. Tuition is an easily affordable at just north of 20 grand. By the way this isn’t doxing, Missy lists all this info on her website: http://www.melissdepino.com and her twitter: https:/www.twitter.com/missydepino. I’m starting to thin Whiskey is onto something.

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  121. @AndrewR
    The same thing I want to hear as a white person:

    "Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything."

    “Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything.”

    I’m just sure that counts as a microaggression if spoken to a black person.

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  122. @DFH
    Libraries maybe, I've never seen an Asian in a bookshop

    I’ve never even seen a bookshop! Well, not in the past ten years anyway.

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  123. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    This seems like an iSteve subject.

    Zimbabwee's example didn't seem to cause South Africa to be hesitant and South Africa is ploughing ahead - essentially creating a legal precedent. These actions seem to be creating a legal basis or framework.

    The constant brow-beating of "admit your privilege" including - and I don't think a lot of people know this - but people who are slated to speak at college campuses including comedians are asked to sign a contract to "admit their privilege" in order to be invited to speak on campus - not universal, but it's going on. All the places this happens that you don't see - with kids in school or young adults.

    TNC and "red-lining". Legal case. Legal framework.

    The whole thing were there was no national debate - somehow we just arrived here - that it is universally accepted - by "whites" even, including by whites who ostensibly object - that if a white person (or a person interpretable as white) is caught uttering or acting upon something which may be interpreted as racist, then we all agree that what is called for is a personal and collective exercise in re-education, i.e.: "diversity training".

    And look: we accept it.
    We are here talking about it - complaining. National Review is complaining. Some odd bloggers and video bloggers are complaining. Unz is complaining.

    It's like we're letting off steam. Come May all of Starbucks will attend re-education and we will stand down. There will be no investigations by state or federal government into the collective punishment that this represents or the fundamentally un-American aspect of telegraphing to white citizens that if they betray a could-be-racist-thought, out-the-gate they will be disavowed by their employers, re-educated, and everyone in their vicinity will be re-educated.

    We have conceded: African-Americans and many other minorities are burdened by white people - they are put upon by white people - and white people should be punished.

    Come 2045 or 2050 - maybe earlier we'll get around to it: "Land Reform".

    Legal precedent - established in South Africa. Legal framework - 40 years in the making. Political resistance: none.

    We’re going to get so-called ‘land reform’ a lot sooner than that. The groundwork is being laid everywhere you look, what with AFFH and property owners prohibited from declining Section 8 tenants. We’re using your tax dollars to move people you don’t want next door and even into your own property.

    Public Debate? We don’t have that; we have the MSM telling us “How to think about…” and “What you need to know about…” and so on. If you object in even the gentlest of terms, you are racist and therefore have no rights.

    So tell us now: Why are you passionate?

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  124. @Jim Don Bob
    Not too many POCs at the Met Opera last night in NYC.

    Back when I used to attend, there were always a very few and IME they were very much worth knowing. Sucks to be them, though. I honestly commiserate.

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  125. @Jonathan Mason

    I’m not really following this, but I’m funny about trying to find out the facts, so have any of the articles spelled out what happened before the police were called?
     
    Me too. I have read the accounts and they are not entirely clear. Apparently the two guys were realtors and were meeting another guy for a business meeting of some kind, but I suspect they were not in business attire.

    I had a job when I had to be all over the city all day, and would sometimes stop to use bathrooms, usually in supermarkets, but sometimes at gas stations, pharmacies, or a MacDonalds. Sometimes I also made a purchase, sometimes not.

    I don't think I was ever asked to make a purchase, but my view, especially in the case of gas stations would be that they provide (hopefully clean) bathrooms as an incentive to attract customers, and of course all motorists have to buy gasoline sooner or later. However I did notice that gas stations seem to attract a lot of riffraff, and sometimes have beggars on the forecourt, probably because they sell alcohol and lottery tickets. (Actually a whole essay could be written on the application of Gresham's Law in the case of gas stations driving cafes out of business.)

    I did notice that sometimes homeless individuals did try to take up residence in supermarket bathrooms, especially in cold weather, which must be an ongoing problem for supermarket managements.

    Apparently Starbucks does have a problem with transient bathroom users and requires a numeric code to get into the bathroom. (Some gas stations will give you a key on a large piece of wood and direct you across the yard.)

    Why on earth one of these two gentlemen did not make a minimal purchase as a token payment for the use of the bathroom is the unanswered question. It would just seem to be good business practice for a realtor to cultivate good relationships in the community, and a chance to give Starbucks employees a business card.

    I suspect there is more to the story that may or may not come out. Since one of the gentlemen had, it is reported, been a customer of that Starbucks since the age of 15, he must have been known there.

    I suspect there is more to the story that may or may not come out.

    Of course there’s more to the story and no, it won’t come out.

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  126. @RW
    "It's a real estate meeting. We’ve been working on this for months," Robinson said. "We're days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that."

    When I am about to cinch a real estate deal that's about to change my life, I always make sure to wear sweatpants to the meeting with my drawstring undone. What a bunch of crap.

    PHOTO: Two men were arrested at a Starbucks in Philadelphia, April 12, 2018. (Twitter)
    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/men-arrested-starbucks-were-business-meeting-hoping-change-114103068--abc-news-topstories.html

    “We’re days away from changing our whole entire situation, our lives, and you about to sit here telling me I can’t do that? You’re not doing that.”

    Dey was JES bout to turn dey lives roun’ … now look what y’all done!

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  127. @Obsessive Contrarian
    This is NOT funny.

    The store manager has been identified (I won't give her name here) and is now being roasted on social media. Photograph everywhere.

    She's had to delete all her social media accounts. She made a few innocuous comments on Facebook about serving non-English speakers and it's all over Twitter.

    It's the Gulag, 21st century style. Where is she going to find a job? Cedar Rapids?

    >work at self-righteous totalitarian company
    >get in trouble for an opinion
    Like pottery.

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  128. @Polynikes
    My cousin's wife manages a downtown Starbucks in a medium sized city. They have to throw out people, mostly homeless, all the time. Many of them are white...probably most of them, in fact. Usually their policy is to call the police and have them do it since it is mostly females that work there.

    I doubt there is much to this story other than somebody recorded it on their phone and the internet picked it up.

    That’s interesting. I’ve been to a lot of Starbucks and I’ve never seen the staff take the slightest interest in how long people are camped out, and how long it’s been since they bought anything. (Nor how long since they bathed.)

    Not so independent coffee shops, of course.

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  129. For brevity, we can spell the ubiquitous coffee chain’s name as *$.

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  130. @Diversity Heretic
    Libraries and book stores are usually minimal black zones.

    In my experience, bicycle shops are another virtually black-free zone. In 32 years of patronizing the three or four bike shops in my town I only remember seeing one black person, a ‘buppie’ who was looking for a bike for his kid that was a little better than the offerings at Walmart.

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  131. You see, it’s not okay when whites are seen to be purging blacks directly. But when the work is subcontracted out to Asians and Hispanics, it’s very respectable, because, you know, pro-immigration!

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  132. @Authenticjazzman
    Jazz music being, qualitywise, the American equivalent of European classical music, and the great tragedy being that the black folks of America have turned away from their greatest accomplishment, the creation of this marvelous music, which I sincerely believe is one of the main reasons for the decline of black culture in the US.
    Wynton Marsalis, black trumpet star says that it breaks his heart to look out at an audience and see only white faces, and I understand what he means by this.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    PS There are most definitely black fans of "Classical music"

    A reason or a symptom? R&B used to be great before James Brown put spectacle above musicianship. By the cocaine-fueled 70s it wasn’t about the music anymore. It was about stardom, instant gratification, and narcissism. Those tendencies even afflicted jazz during the fusion era. Jazz achieved greatness from its sense of deep connection and moral commitment that brought forth true dedication – things absent from commercial black music for decades now.

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  133. ‘Ain’t nobody got time for this!’ 911 operator is jailed for hanging up on THOUSANDS of callers because she ‘didn’t want to talk to anyone’

    Records showed that thousands of calls lasting less than 20 seconds were attributed to her hanging up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5632113/Houston-911-operator-guilty-hanging-callers.html

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    King of Swaziland renames the country Kingdom of eSwatini to stop it being confused with Switzerland on 50th anniversary of independence from Britain

    The King of the African country of Swaziland has announced that his country is to be renamed eSwatini in part to mark 50 years of independence and in part to distinguish it from Switzerland.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5635823/King-Swaziland-renames-country-Kingdom-eSwatini-mark-50-years-independence.html

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    Kingdom of eSwatini

    I offered the king $375.00 to change the name to the Kingdom of iSteve, but he said he could do better.

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  134. @Mishra
    'Ain't nobody got time for this!' 911 operator is jailed for hanging up on THOUSANDS of callers because she 'didn't want to talk to anyone'

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/19/14/4B506D3B00000578-5632113-image-m-16_1524143318475.jpg

    Records showed that thousands of calls lasting less than 20 seconds were attributed to her hanging up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5632113/Houston-911-operator-guilty-hanging-callers.html

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    King of Swaziland renames the country Kingdom of eSwatini to stop it being confused with Switzerland on 50th anniversary of independence from Britain

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/19/21/19D9EBD7000005DC-5635823-King_Mswati_III_declared_the_name_change_during_independence_day-a-20_1524169286135.jpg

    The King of the African country of Swaziland has announced that his country is to be renamed eSwatini in part to mark 50 years of independence and in part to distinguish it from Switzerland.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5635823/King-Swaziland-renames-country-Kingdom-eSwatini-mark-50-years-independence.html

    Kingdom of eSwatini

    I offered the king $375.00 to change the name to the Kingdom of iSteve, but he said he could do better.

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  135. @Onion-like
    Starbucks to Hire former Imperial Wizard to help with "race-neutral" employee training.

    Starbucks, amid furor from social justice warriors and others in the lefty media after an employee booted two deadbeats from a store last week, announced that it will close all 8,000 US stores on May 29 for an all-day seminar for employees. Staunchly denying that the unofficial company motto is “Coffee is the only black thing we want in our stores,” Starbucks finds itself reeling from accusations of racism from the Philadelphia incident. As readers may remember, the April 14 incident involved two black men at a Philadelphia cafe. They had not bought anything. One asked to use the toilet, which is only for paying customers. A store employee asked them to leave. The two men refused. At this point, they were trespassing. Police were summoned. Again, the police asked the men to leave. They refused. They were arrested. “We’re a coffee shop, not a [expletive] waiting room with free toilets, coffee and wi-fi, for crying out loud,” said president Howard Schultz. Starbucks will assemble a team of famous stuffed shirts, including David Duke, onetime head of the KKK, to set up what they claim will be race-neutral sensitivity training. “It’s not just nig-, um, neglected members of society coming in here to make drug deals, roll blunts, or call their ‘ho’," complained Schultz. "It’s all these white people too! They come in here and work on their laptops, make calls and work all morning. If we’re lucky they’ll buy one small coffee and sip it all day.” While they may have to adjust to local trespass laws, Starbucks hopes to have a company-wide policy that anyone who does not purchase at least one item every fifteen minutes will be asked to leave, or will be escorted out by the police.

    Better than the Onion.

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  136. I just like the fact that the king believes that people are confusing his country with Switzerland. Though, the way Europe is headed, who even knows? Could happen..

    PS: Try Nauru. They’ll do anything for a few bucks.

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  137. “What the Starbucks incident has in common with the lynchings of the past.” Ok, so now kicking out loiterers on your property is equivalent to lynching? The non sequiturs of WaPo agitprop writers really is quite creative. “Lynching” is now one of the favorite motifs.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2018/04/monuments-museums-and-racial.html

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  138. I remember way back in 1992 the Morristown NJ public library kicked out a smelly, obnoxious homeless guy who was driving out patrons. He sued and, you guessed it, and got a favorable ruling from Judge Lee Sarokin of the Federal Districk Court in Newark, because ….. he said, “the library’s policy infringed on Mr. Kreimer’s First Amendment right to gather ideas from the library’s books, periodicals and newspapers.” The bum, got a hefty settlement on top of it. Eventually the ruling got overturned.]

    So, black, white, the left doesn’t care. As long as you belong to a certified victim class you can do whatever you want and claim violation. Oh yes, and the commie-leaning American Library Association filed amicus briefs on behalf of the bum.

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  139. The one thing that’s never mentioned is the entitled belligerent behavior of these poor persecuted black angels. Funny these pathetic petulant perpetual victims don’t seem to mind crowbarring colleges to have whitey frede safe spaces yet whitey can’t have a minority free zone or we get the full power of the law coming down on us.Believe me it’s no white privilege to have these loathesome crybabies as countrymen

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  140. @AndrewR
    The same thing I want to hear as a white person:

    "Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything."

    Welcome to our store, please let me know if you need anything.

    Nice sentiment, but customer/clerk is partly an adversarial relationship: you don’t want just anyone in your store.

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  141. @DFH
    Libraries maybe, I've never seen an Asian in a bookshop

    Thy’re there…using the free wifi.

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  142. @AndrewR

    And how can we up the social and legal costs for people who make life-threatening decisions by calling the police on peaceful black people
     
    I can't believe no published comments on here have directly addressed this line. It's by far the most chilling part (aside from the appalling use of the word "up" as a verb in a formal context). This invader apparently wants to make it illegal to call the cops on a black person unless said individual has committed a violent crime. And this was published in a column in the third most prestigious newspaper in the country. I doubt we can vote our way out of this.

    Nice little coffee mega-corporation you have here. I would be terrible if something happened to it.

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  143. @Almost Missouri
    Here's a question for those of you asking how iSteve-ish Noticing can translate into profit?

    This Starbucks story has obvious implications implications for Starbucks' business model going forward: it is now wedged between the rock of hypocritical hipster virtue signalling and the hard place of dealing with black dysfunction. Furthermore, it now has a bullseye firmly affixed to it that every black grifter and shakedown artist an see and will home in on. The CEO has publicly declared his intention to cuck as hard and deep as possible. So...

    ...shorting opportunity?

    So far the stock price hasn't budged, despite the story being a week old, and the implications being obvious to Those Who Can See. Facebook took a hit in March. Why not Starbucks in April? Are those famously flinty-eyed Wall Street traders too Diversity whipped to see it too?

    It may take a while to notice, but it’s already happening. The manager of the one I frequent said that the Asian teens who come to do computer work aren’t buying drinks now.

    The Starbucks business model can only exist in a high-trust society.

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  144. @Anonymous
    I assume this is satire, but it's hard to be sure nowadays...

    It’s satire. At Starbucks ALL the regular coffee is served black and you add your own dairy.

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  145. @anonymous
    Reporters don't dig too much anymore. Pennsylvania has all its Criminal Dockets online for the public to access (https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CP.aspx) if you enter Rashon Nelson and Philadelphia County you're given results for one Rashone Nelson (note the different spelling) with a listed date of birth of December 28, 1994. That would make Rashone Nelson 23 years old. The same age that's reported for Rashon. In 2014, after pleading guilty, Rashone was sentenced to 11 1/2 - 23 months in county jail for felony possession of a firearm and is currently on probation/parole.

    Rashone Nelson is also listed as a graduate from John Bartram High School (Phila.) in February 2014. Rashon's facebook page indicates he attended John Bartram High.

    So is Rashon Nelson also Rashone Nelson? Seems like a reasonable question that no reporter has asked. It may explain why Messers. Nelson and Robinson were held so long without being charged -- it would be the usual procedure to check with the probation/parole office to see if they wanted them held. Either they didn't because the charges were small potatoes (the DA ended up not filing) or, Rashon is NOT Rashone. Inquiring minds want to know.

    More information here: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/rashon-nelson-starbucks-arrest-philadelphia-neighbors-omega-psi-phi-fraternity-philly-20180418.html

    The casual lying by whoever wrote the Philly.com article is eye-popping. It states they were arrested “for not ordering anything”. Uhh…no they weren’t.

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  146. @Obsessive Contrarian
    This is NOT funny.

    The store manager has been identified (I won't give her name here) and is now being roasted on social media. Photograph everywhere.

    She's had to delete all her social media accounts. She made a few innocuous comments on Facebook about serving non-English speakers and it's all over Twitter.

    It's the Gulag, 21st century style. Where is she going to find a job? Cedar Rapids?

    She’s had to delete all her social media accounts. ! [my exclamation point!]

    Well, I’m all broken up about that lady’s social media accounts. [/D.Harry] OK, I know it’s a big thing now, but this stuff IS taken too seriously – the twittering and all. I do feel sorry for her, and if you’d said she received threats of some sort, even more so.

    I hope she learns not to even work with the SJWs, if that’s possible, but the best thing about this for her is she may be able to go outside, without a phone harassing her every coupla minutes and see what the world is about.

    Oh, “roasted” on social media – I like that one. ;-}

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  147. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Who will train Americans to... Who will train school officials... Who will train the convenience-store managers?
     
    A pretty telling mentality; natural instincts and inclinations are not to be trusted, must have the whip hand in service to the narrative.

    There seems to be no shortage of volunteers to apply the boot to the face.

    The ADL just got the contract for training the thousands of Starbucks clerks to allow blacks to do whatever they want in Starbucks.

    Who cares? Starbucks is owned by a liberal Jew.liberal Jews are totally anti white so I hope the company gets fined and sued by every black who ever entered one.

    The author complained about black thugs getting disciplined in schools. Today’s NY Post has an article that more than 10,000 NYC school
    employees have been threatened and it physically assaulted by students this school year.

    The person the black activists planned to be waiting for is a Jew. Wonder if it was a set up for ADL to get a brainwashing contract.

    A lot of White clerks will get fired, especially the women who reject gross sex approaches by gross disgusting black men. More and more blacks will be hired. Pretty soon the Starbucks in the cities will become just like 7-11 parking lots and public libraries, just day care centers for the homeless.

    I love to see liberalism hurt liberals.

    There is a public library near me that was full of crazy babbling crotch rubbing homeless the last 2 years. They commandeered a big table and ate there all day long. The table was full of pizza boxes, big gulps, 2 liter bottles of soda, hot dogs and bags of chips and jars of salsa. They screeched to each other and on their cell phones all day long.

    They sat on the benches in front and made gross remarks to White women walking by. They tried to start fights with White men.

    But the librarians did nothing. Any normal person who complained was told that if they didn’t like it they could leave.

    Finally normal people got together and sent letters to the library CEO and the library commissioners. They didn’t mention the problems were caused by black homeless

    They just demanded equal enforcement of the rules for everyone. If some people are allowed to sit with food and sodas all day, everyone should be allowed to sit there and eat.

    It worked. The manager and 2 other librarians who catered to the homeless loons were transferred. A guard was installed and all the rules were enforced equally.

    But it turned out the reason the homeless were allowed to behave so badly was a sensitivity training session 2 summers ago.

    The branch manager told a babbling loon homeless to be quiet. He refused so she told him to leave. Someone wrote a letter to the Mayor claiming the librarian was mean to the babbling loon

    So they all got scolded and told to let the black homeless do whatever they wanted.

    So the homeless behaved badly until normal people wrote letters of complaint.
    The librarians are really in a bind. Enforce the rules and complaints are made they discriminate against blacks.

    Don’t enforce the rules and everybody else complains.

    If those black guys really were some kind of entrepreneurs or real estate guys accustomed to having meetings in coffee shops they would have followed the standard custom of ordering something if they are going to hold down a table.

    If it’s a long wait, go outside.

    I wonder how much the ADL will charge Starbucks for their brainwashing services? Those sessions are bad enough if you have a good job. But for part time minimum wage?

    Might as well live in the old Soviet Union and attend struggle and self criticism sessions

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    Interesting comment.

    It is often mused as to how bad things will get before "something is done."

    We seem to live in an age where institutional self-correcting mechanisms are getting hacked.
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  148. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes
    The inversion of the vector of blame is amusing. The Philly police arrested the two miscreants, but it's the Starbucks' employee/manager who is blamed for the arrests.

    Some articles refer to her as a former manager. So this White woman got fired because she followed the manual and told 2 loiters they should either buy something or leave and that the bathroom was for paying customers.

    I wonder if Starbucks will let her collect unemployment or claim she was fired for cause.
    It’s unbelievable how employers allow their White employees to be abused by black employees, customers and especially the way school districts allow black thugs from kindergarten up to verbally and physically assault teachers.

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  149. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234
    Johnson proposes a legal remedy. “You can get arrested for pulling a fire alarm, making fake bomb threats and making false claims of an alien invasion — why not a false police report that results in death?” he wrote. “We should be pushing for prosecution against these callers just as much as the cops who pull the trigger.”

    Maybe something like this could help.


    Black people think dumb ideas are great until they can understand how dumb they are...which is usually long after other people have already figured it out. In black neighborhoods - where some black people commonly murder other black people - blacks often sic the cops on other blacks for personal reasons (surprise, surprise.) So when this great new law to protect black people potentially gets more black people arrested than white people, it'll suddenly become racist. Ah, but then it can also be used as a new excuse why black people are afraid to deal with or call the police.

    I guess the law can only be valid when whites call the cops on blacks. That caveat should be ok since the US Constitution is racist.

    Malicious intent is the real factor, and there are already laws about that.

    That’s what happened with crack cocaine. The congressional black caucus was the group that pushed through all the additional penalties for buying possessing and selling it.

    Their reason was that crack cocaine affected blacks.

    But when police and prosecutors began enforcing the CBC crack laws the CBC and the rest of the black and Jew liberals screamed and hollered because the CBC laws were enforced.

    If enough nasty homeless hang out in Starbucks all day, the White customers will leave.

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  150. @Anon
    The ADL just got the contract for training the thousands of Starbucks clerks to allow blacks to do whatever they want in Starbucks.

    Who cares? Starbucks is owned by a liberal Jew.liberal Jews are totally anti white so I hope the company gets fined and sued by every black who ever entered one.

    The author complained about black thugs getting disciplined in schools. Today’s NY Post has an article that more than 10,000 NYC school
    employees have been threatened and it physically assaulted by students this school year.

    The person the black activists planned to be waiting for is a Jew. Wonder if it was a set up for ADL to get a brainwashing contract.

    A lot of White clerks will get fired, especially the women who reject gross sex approaches by gross disgusting black men. More and more blacks will be hired. Pretty soon the Starbucks in the cities will become just like 7-11 parking lots and public libraries, just day care centers for the homeless.

    I love to see liberalism hurt liberals.

    There is a public library near me that was full of crazy babbling crotch rubbing homeless the last 2 years. They commandeered a big table and ate there all day long. The table was full of pizza boxes, big gulps, 2 liter bottles of soda, hot dogs and bags of chips and jars of salsa. They screeched to each other and on their cell phones all day long.

    They sat on the benches in front and made gross remarks to White women walking by. They tried to start fights with White men.

    But the librarians did nothing. Any normal person who complained was told that if they didn’t like it they could leave.

    Finally normal people got together and sent letters to the library CEO and the library commissioners. They didn’t mention the problems were caused by black homeless

    They just demanded equal enforcement of the rules for everyone. If some people are allowed to sit with food and sodas all day, everyone should be allowed to sit there and eat.

    It worked. The manager and 2 other librarians who catered to the homeless loons were transferred. A guard was installed and all the rules were enforced equally.

    But it turned out the reason the homeless were allowed to behave so badly was a sensitivity training session 2 summers ago.

    The branch manager told a babbling loon homeless to be quiet. He refused so she told him to leave. Someone wrote a letter to the Mayor claiming the librarian was mean to the babbling loon

    So they all got scolded and told to let the black homeless do whatever they wanted.

    So the homeless behaved badly until normal people wrote letters of complaint.
    The librarians are really in a bind. Enforce the rules and complaints are made they discriminate against blacks.

    Don’t enforce the rules and everybody else complains.

    If those black guys really were some kind of entrepreneurs or real estate guys accustomed to having meetings in coffee shops they would have followed the standard custom of ordering something if they are going to hold down a table.

    If it’s a long wait, go outside.

    I wonder how much the ADL will charge Starbucks for their brainwashing services? Those sessions are bad enough if you have a good job. But for part time minimum wage?

    Might as well live in the old Soviet Union and attend struggle and self criticism sessions

    Interesting comment.

    It is often mused as to how bad things will get before “something is done.”

    We seem to live in an age where institutional self-correcting mechanisms are getting hacked.

    Read More
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