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The Washington Post issues a correction to its influential story that claimed that leftist activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War:

In defense of Nathan Phillips, he was too young to serve in Vietnam.

Also, my impression is that he hasn’t exactly claimed to have fought in Vietnam, just to have served in “Vietnam times,” which is a reasonable approximation of the legal term “Vietnam Era Veteran,” which goes up to the spring of 1975 and covers anybody who was in the U.S. military anywhere in the world. Some sources seem to quote him as claiming to have served in the war, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was an ignorant reporter trying to clean up a redundant sounding (but important) term like “Vietnam times.”

Of course, he didn’t seem in too much of a hurry to clear up the media misperception.

But if he really was in the Marines from 1972-1976, this is much less bad than, say, Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), who not only never served in Vietnam, but who joined the Marines Reserve to get out of being drafted into the military and being sent to Vietnam, but then seemed to try to get voters to think he had been Rambo himself.

Strikingly, Indian Country Today back on January 19 got the Nathan Phillips service story right right in the caption at the top of its first article:

Nathan Phillips, Omaha, is a Vietnam-era Veteran who hosts a sacred pipe ceremony at Arlington, was taunted in D.C.

You don’t BS an American Indian publication about military service. Indians tend to know about and care about these kind of complex distinctions, much more so than Culture War reporters at mainstream sites.

No doubt the Washington Post, as the federal government’s Company Town newspaper, employs somebody who knows all about technical Veteran Affairs issues like this, but he or she isn’t out reporting the latest breaking White Boy Bad story.

I tweeted my best guess at the probability distribution a couple of days ago:

I would have made the odds that he just made up the part about being in the Marines higher because people who have some kind of fundraising racket going on about being a vet often are complete Stolen Valor types. But I’m a big believer in ethnic stereotypes. Nathan Phillips looks a lot more Indian than many people in the Indian activist business, and real American Indians volunteer for the military at quite a high rate.

 
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  1. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Nathan Phillips looks a lot more Indian than many people in the Indian activist business

    He looks more African American than Indian.

  2. Wilkey says:

    Having been so quick to demonize (and in some cases literally wish for the deaths of) these teenage boys, no one, so far as I can tell, is rushing to demonize a man four times their age who clearly lied about the incident for the purposes of destroying them.

    Obviously hate hoaxes comprise a big portion of the SJW business model. Some significant number of hate hoaxes are never disproven. The SJW’s don’t want to scare away a major supplier. They can’t afford to demonize their suppliers when they’re proven to be frauds.

    Somewhere, somehow, I hope someone is keeping a list of all the assholes who have jumped on these kids but have yet to issue unqualified apologies.

  3. istevefan says:

    If he served during that time, I hope he at least applied for the Cold War Recognition Certificate. This was a nice, frame-worthy piece of paper issued under the Clinton administration to honor anyone who served from September 2, 1945 to December 26, 1991. So even if you never went to a hot war (Korea, Vietnam, GW1) you could still get a certificate denoting that you did serve during the Cold War.

    The only catch is that you had to initiate the process by getting the proper forms and submitting them to the Army. So I imagine there are a great many people, I know one BTW, who never did this and don’t have this nice award despite having earned it by virtue of their service.

  4. I don’t think there are many “purebloods” left, so Mr. Phillips has a lot of cachet as a Native American activist.

    As the Injuns get whiter and whiter, the Anglo guilt account is going to dwindle. It’s hard for people who are indistinguishable from R-1 haplogroup whites to keep arguing for redistributive justice.

    This story is great for keeping the whole Sen. Fauxcohontas dust-up in the public consciousness. Hilariously, Warren just might be the whitest American alive today despite being born in Oklahoma.

  5. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Why did the Indian guy say he served as point of pride? During the Vietnam War, many on the Left and anti-war factions conflated the Vietnam War with replay of cowboys and Indians, with yellow folks being the New Indians.

    If he served in Vietnam, he would have aided the white cowboys to fight yellow Indians… at least from the Anti-War Perspective.

    Besides, how can anyone be a genuine Indian without carrying a scalping knife?

    Btw, why all this outrage over this issue? When was the last time the Progs gave a crap about Indians? If they really cared, they’d admit Immigration led to the demise of the Indians. Immigration of diverse Old World folks led to the ‘genocide’ of the indigenous Red Folks.

    Progs call for endless invasion of the US, formerly Indian territory, with endless hordes and mobs from all over the world, but they suddenly care about Indians and their history?

    The Indian said ‘Go back to Europe’. Sounds pretty anti-immigration and anti-diversity to me.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Truth
  6. Were American Rightwingers capable of sober reflection, this incident would call for it. Ask yourselves, had the reverse happened to someone on your side, how many heads would roll?

    FFS, if you guys can’t even succeed in purging the craven ilk on your end who went kowtowing to the narrative, how do you ever hope to survive what’s coming, talk less of winning?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  7. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Sandmann is asked in the Today Show interview:

    Do you feel from this experience that you owe anybody an apology? Do you see your own fault in any way?

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  8. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:

    20 yr old black guy rapes an 80 yr old white woman, steals the $15 she has in her purse, beats her 85 yr old husband to death after making him watch, then steals and crashes their car.
    – Liberal response: He’s a kid, a minority victim, everyone makes mistakes when they’re a kid, he deserves a light sentence and a second chance.

    17yr old white Christian boy stoically smiles when a Native American man harasses him inches in front of his face after a group of black supremacists hurled anti-white racist threats and hate at him for a prolonged time.
    – Liberal response: White boy is a nazi hate monger who deserves to be doxxed, beaten, given death threats, not allowed to go to college or ever have a job.

    More of that white privilege we keep hearing so much about I guess. No wonder they have to keep consigning it to invisible knapsacks and picoaggressions. That [email protected]’s harder to find than Wakandan Black Panther herbs.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  9. @Wilkey

    Wilkey, Good idea that list. Put it next to the list of all those who stomped on the Duke lacrosse team.

    • Replies: @dvorak
    , @Hypnotoad666
  10. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Saturday evening he and his followers disrupted the regular evening service at the Catholic cathedral in DC. He was told to leave and did. The schoool will remain close until the local police deem it safe to reopen. Good idea with all that Gates and Rockefeller foundation money the American Indian Movement could do to Covington what the liberals did to Ferguson Mo.

    The school wants to have a dialogue with Phillips to investigate what really happened.
    What hypocrites! Send the kids on a pro life Catholic March and then abandon the kids when attacked by a typical NGO grifter

    • Agree: RVBlake
  11. jJay says:

    My pop was a WWII vet. He joined US Army’s Air Corp in late 1944 in preference over getting drafting. He was sent to Yuma Arizona and trained to be a B17 radio operator and technician.
    He was never shipped overseas or saw combat. He was always very honest about this. We had family members and friends of those did go into the meat grinder. He knew he lucked out.

    But I read Unbroken, the story of Louis Zamperini’s survival, a few years ago. Laura Hildebrand describes the aviation technology in gruesome detail. The airplanes were so poorly built that there was a period where there were more lives were lost just test flying and moving them to the war zone than in combat.

  12. Paul Rise says:

    Is anyone checking that he served or just assuming that now he is being truthful?

  13. @istevefan

    iSteve, I always thought Clinton made a mistake by allowing all service people to wear a beret, previously the mark of the Elite corps. (the last word is pronounce corpse)

  14. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Just checked with my Vietnam combat marine brother. The last marines left Vietnam in 1971 when Phillips was 16 years old.

    • Replies: @tbmcc
  15. @Wilkey

    I’m thinking the list to which you refer is already pretty well fleshed out by members of the KY bar with experience in criminal threat of harm law and the civil law related to slander and libel.

  16. telenon says:

    I’m amazed how much the smirker looks like Joey Logano of NASCAR. (Google Joey Logano-images.) He is the current Champion. He often wears red hats and smiles or “smirks”. (The Deadspin Sports Site is probably not much involved with NASCAR.) Interestingly Logano won the championship by running Martin Truex off the track in Martinsville, Va. Truex – True Ax could be considered a Native American name – in a stretch.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  17. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    U.S. Rep. John Yarmuth (D-KY)

  18. What a shocker. But then the poor fella has been fighting white racism all his life, which is almost like being in the jungles of Vietnam fighting commies. So it’s easy to understand how he might have confused the two.

    • LOL: BigDickNick
    • Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird
    , @Hail
  19. istevefan says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    It wasn’t Clinton. It was General Shinseki , and his orders were just for the US Army.

    But I agree that it was a bad decision.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Old Prude
  20. I guess Toronto will have to rename Nathan Philips Square:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Phillips_Square

  21. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    Joseph Gerth – Louisville Courier-Journal

    Actually doubled down today by blaming the chaperones for his weekend Twittering.

  22. syonredux says:

    But I’m a big believer in ethnic stereotypes. Nathan Phillips looks a lot more Indian than many people in the Indian activist business, and real American Indians volunteer for the military at quite a high rate.

    Yeah, American Indians do seem to have a lot of martial ardor:

    The Iroquois Confederacy, having declared war on Germany in 1917, had never made peace and so automatically became party to World War II. The Navajo and other tribes were so eager to go to war that they stood for hours in bad weather to sign their draft cards, while others carried their own rifles so they would be ready for battle when they joined up. Unwilling to wait for their draft numbers, one-fourth of the Mescalero Apaches in New Mexico enlisted. Nearly all the able-bodied Chippewas at the Grand Portage Reservation enlisted. In a story that has been attributed to many other tribes as well, Blackfeet Indians mocked the need for a conscription bill. “Since when,” their members cried, “has it been necessary for Blackfeet to draw lots to fight?”

    http://www.defense.gov/specials/nativeamerican01/wwii.html

  23. Trump should invite the “Covington Kids” to the White House or to any State of the Union Address.

    It is the right thing to do.

    Time to start rewarding friends and punishing enemys in earnest.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  24. @Pincher Martin

    He’s a RED Indian. If he’d been in Nam it would’ve been fighting for the NVA or Khmer Rouge.

  25. The [war]-era verbiage is industry standard. Pick up any local rag and look at the obituaries. Plenty of Korean war-era guys are dropping off now. Even the propagandists at the Washington Post are aware of this convention.

    And, for what it’s worth, most of the people actually deployed didn’t get off a single round, or even carry a rifle.

  26. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    as a legit Vietnam-ERA vet (’68-70, no ‘Nam) I make it a point of honor to NEVER use the phrase “Vietnam era” in self-descriptions of service, so there can be no misunderstanding. If one does–as this creep clearly has–he wants people to confuse him for something he’s not.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  27. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    There are three bylines on that story, and it was a news story, not a “reporter’s notebook” blog post (notorious at the Post for being error-filled), so it had an editor. On the other hand, but lead reporter is black, and in their rush to make the reporting staff “look like D.C.,” the Post has hired a remarkable number of black numskulls.

    The article in question was not archived at Archive.org, and its unclear where in the article the corrected information was located.

    “Nathan Phillips, a veteran in the indigenous rights movement, was that man in the middle.”

    Did the original say “Vietnam veteran”? If so, does the remaining word “veteran” mean miliaray veteran, or regular attendee at protests?

    Splitting hairs about “Vietnam veteran” and “Vietnam era veteran” is missing the point. Using the word “Vietname” anywhere in the vicinity of the word “veteran” implies an intent to deceive. If you weren’t in-country, it doesn’t matter the “era.” Just put the dates there if that is important, “signed up for the Marines right out of high school” or whatever.

  28. syonredux says:

    A surprisingly even-handed scene:

  29. anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:

    Before, they were all a bunch of baby-killers. Now they should be thanked for their ‘service’. What’s changed? Most journalists are so far removed from prole things like guns and military service that they regularly get confused about what they are supposed to be writing about. Remember, most journalists are assigned to write on things that they have no background in or any knowledge of.

  30. @syonredux

    Yeah, American Indians do seem to have a lot of martial ardor:

    Funny how the lunatic Left continually omits that portion of the Indian character from their vision of noble savages living in idyllic harmony with the land in some kind of pastoral North American utopia.

    • Replies: @donut
  31. Jack D says:

    Well, better late (Wash Po) than (almost) never (the NY Times has printed the name “Haven Monahan” exactly once last time I checked and that grudgingly and long after the hoax broke – they just reported what the Charlottesville police found and did no reporting of their own).

    BUT, Steve and a lot of people here were able to figure out that it was unlikely that he ever served in Vietnam INSTANTLY, just as they were able to figure INSTANTLY out that tales of rape on broken glass in a pitch dark room were probably not true. Just by applying Occam’s Butterknife and publicly known facts and without even leaving their chairs. Now admittedly, today’s “journalists” are (at least they appear to be) about 12 years old and have lived their entire life inside of some kind of elite school bubble and are lacking in life experience (especially involving the military) as well as common sense despite being “book smart”. Still, they are plenty skeptical when it suits them and have all the modern tools of the Internet as well as the resources of the media at their disposal. When it suits them. But if a story fits the Narrative and allows you to score points against the hated Trump, then suddenly it is “too good to check”. Or at least you have to let the story ride for a good few days and do its damage with low information voters AND then you retract it after the damage is already done and the low information voters never read the corrections on the bottom of p. 5.

  32. map says:

    Great. Another military fraud.

    Like Dick Blumenthal.

    Don’t you know, Philips and Blumenthal spent ‘Nam in tiger cages, sustained on a thin gruels of prawns, coconut milk, and assorted vegetables.

    They are still looking for that pho recipe.

  33. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Woke Capital

    The complaint alleges “Oracle suppressed starting salaries for its female and non-White employees, assigned them to lower level positions and depressed their wages over the years they worked at Oracle.” These practices caused the employees to miss out on a total of $400 million in compensation, the Department of Labor said in the filing.
    The Department of Labor also alleged Oracle has a strong preference for hiring Asian recent college graduates, saying about 90 percent of its 500 college and university hires between 2013 and 2016 were Asian, while the overall targeted college and university population is about 65 percent Asian.

    Let me guess, they don’t want White Conservatives working there either. But we can’t say that.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/22/department-of-labor-accuses-oracle-of-discrimination.html

    Can we get one of those “consent decrees” to force them to open facilities in Appalachia and hire/train locals?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  34. Curle says:

    This wiki description of the first King Philip’s war seems almost a bookend:

    “King Philip’s War began the development of an independent American identity. The New England colonists faced their enemies without support from any outside government or military, and this gave them a group identity separate and distinct from Britain.[10]”

    And now a new King Philip is reversing that process.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  35. JimDandy says:

    Good call!

    DRUDGE now linking to reports that this attention-seeking liar tried to bust up the Basilica mass in D.C.

    God, this is a great disaster for the unhinged left. God must love Trump.

  36. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Wikipedia links to one occasions where neither “era” nor “times” separated “Vietnam” and “War” in statements to the press made by Nathan Phillips, and a second where he says he was reviled as a baby killer after coming back (from where?)

    To CNN:

    https://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_1dc42c3dec10ec0d383aa008f55e4bf1

    Archive here: http://archive.is/2k82J

    Phillips: When I was there and I was standing there and I seen that group of people in front of me and I seen the angry faces and all of that, I realized I had put myself in a really dangerous situation. Here’s a group of people who were angry at somebody else and I put myself in front of that, and all of a sudden, I’m the one whose all that anger and all that wanting to have the freedom to just rip me apart, that was scary. And I’m a Vietnam veteran and I know that mentality of “There’s enough of us. We can do this.”

    [Later in interview he triples down on it]

    Phillips: They were there looking for trouble, looking for something. Everybody knows the right to life and (pro-choice), it’s been like this and they’re hateful to each other. And it’s because I’m a veteran — I’m a Vietnam veteran — that these two groups even have the right in this country to have protests, to have conflicting opinions. If they were doing that, they should’ve done that there and then when they come into public, that wasn’t the place for that. That was a public forum where we was at. We were still under the protection of our permit for the indigenous peoples rally.

    To Indian-Country Today:

    https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/american-indian-veterans-honored-annually-at-arlington-national-cemetery-tMOxOLqrJU6Ux9hZvXAzYQ/

    Phillips also described coming back to the U.S. as a veteran of the Vietnam era. “People called me a baby killer and a hippie girl spit on me.”

    Was he stationed abroad? Not being a direct quotation, is “coming back to the U.S.” something assumed by the reporter (who as a native reporter, in Steve’s view, would be super precise about vet stuff)? Did the word “Vietnam” pass Phillip’s lips during the interview, and if so, for what purpose? Why talk about “baby killing”? If you do, why not something like, “Veterans were so disrespected back then that even veterans like me who didn’t serve in Vietnam and were stateside the entire time [if that is the case … maybe he did time in Korea or Germany] were called ‘baby killers’ and spat on by hippy girls.”

    I think Phillips wanted to convey an impression, but perhaps as a native, wanted deniability if it came back to bite him in the ass, and from time to time got careless.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
  37. @istevefan

    Thanks for the heads up on the certificate, will definitely apply for mine. Seemed like such an all pervasive struggle at the time but I’m almost nostalgic for the days our enemies were clearly defined and white (therefore at least occasionally rational and comparatively intelligent.)

    • Replies: @istevefan
  38. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    It appears from his military papers that Phillips/Stanard was adopted.

  39. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    My rule is just believe the opposite of everything in the mass media. Been doing it for 40 years it works all the time

  40. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    But if a story fits the Narrative and allows you to score points against the hated Trump, then suddenly it is “too good to check”.

    So in the end did they win by getting their story out first? I think they did. Though anyone who looks into this story can find ample evidence the original narrative was wrong, I believe it is only being discussed in our portion of the internet, or on friendly shows like Tucker Carlson. I doubt the MSM is spending much time at all with corrections. So I’d like to see polling data to see which story has stuck with uninvolved element of our society, the independent voter. My guess is they think the kids are bad.

    Ditto for the Buzzfeed story last Thursday. Friday, the traditional slow news day used to announce bad news, saw the special counsel reject the Buzzfeed story and then there was some backpedaling on CNN. But is anyone still talking about it? If you interviewed the independent voters, would they be aware that the Buzzfeed story was complete bull?

    And since the reporters who push these false narratives face no negative consequences, there is nothing stopping them from continuing to do so. Recall Alex Jones and others on the right, once denounced as fake news, lose their platforms. Not the MSM.

    So it appears that being first with your story, despite the facts, might be a winning strategy since they are getting away with it.

    • Agree: jon
  41. dvorak says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The “deluge of twitter rants” list? I’ve heard of it.

  42. Jimi says:

    “Indians tend to know about and care about these kind of complex distinctions, much more so than Culture War reporters at mainstream sites.”

    This generation of 20-something and 30-something reporters just don’t know much about anything. A fact that Obama staffer Ben Rhodes discovered and took advantage of.

    In the absence of knowledge, stereotypes are a good intellectual device to fall back on. Of course if you don’t know facts and reject all stereotypes you’re a walking blind man.

  43. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    My vague impression is Israeli culture is intentionally anti-intellectual: it was founded by Zionist intellectuals to value farmers and soldiers more than intellectuals. So Israelis tend to be sharp about what they care about.

    Steve, oh Steve! What is this? Some sort of mashup of Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Howard Gardner? Multiple intelligences, including the “sharp farmer” axis? That sounds like the “Sub-Saharan African hunter-gatherer intelligence” theory.

    There is one intelligence, and it is a linear measure. There exist also non-intelligence related skills, like athletic ability, musical tone recognition, rhythmical ability, and facial recognition.

  44. We need a new term. I feel like that when I was a kid, “veteran” meant someone who served in combat. Today, it seems to mean anyone who served in the military, even reservists.

    Having known quite a few military people, including some in my own family, I’m not in awe of miltary service. (The fact that our wars seem mainly to aid Israel doesn’t help much either.) For many people, it’s a job or career path. For some, it’s a way to test themselves or to find a bit of adventure. They don’t really care much who they fight, they just want to see what it like or see other countries. For others, it’s a way out of crappy place.

    It bothers me to no end when I’m at some event and the host asks everyone to honor our veterans and for any veteran to stand up. Everyone cheers and claps. For what and whom? For some guy who worked on computers in Maryland or some guy who drove a truck in Georgia.

    Hell, even if the guy is a combat veteran, how exactly is he protecting my country by killing Afghan inbreds or Iraqis. Sure, they’re bad guys, but I have my doubts that they’re getting their deep-water navy ready to invade. If we weren’t there, they just kill each other like they always do. (I would assume that the military has thwarted a fair number of terrorist attacks, and for that, I’m grateful. Of course, you have to question why terrorists seem so determined to kill us while leaving alone countries that leave them alone, i.e. how many Muslim terrorist attacks have you seen in Japan.)

    And what is this country that these U.S. soldiers are “protecting” about? The U.S. government openly dislike me, discriminates against me and blames me all the world’s ills. The U.S. government does nothing to protect our borders. What kind of country doesn’t allow its military to defend its borders? Each year, we allow in millions of people – legally and illegally – people who very likely will elect politicians eager to hurt my people.

    And what kind of government allows in Muslims, the group most likely to commit terrorist attacks? Our soldiers are defending this government. I’m supposed to thank them for keeping this government in charge.

    Look, I know that there are many fine people in the U.S. military. I’ve been their neighbor and friend. But let’s not pretend that they’re selfless patriots protecting us from a formidable foe or that they defend a government that wants the best for white Americans.

    (Btw, everything that I’ve written does not apply to those drafted and forced to fight in Vietnam.)

  45. kihowi says:

    Didn’t everybody catch on to that immediately? I did. “Vietnam era vet” sounds like “orange flavored drink”; no oranges were involved. Whenever people use an unnatural sounding phrase like that, they use it for a reason. “I was in the army in the seventies” is what you would say if you didn’t enjoy people getting the wrong idea.

  46. WesTex says:

    I’m astonished the kids acted as well as they did… they’re KIDS! My outlook on the future of the country is much more hopeful after seeing this than before.

  47. While this *specific* indian may not have *technically* served in vietnam it started a conversation about white supremacism and that’s what’s important

  48. syonredux says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I’ve got relatives who have served in Special Forces, and their opinions on the topic are, shall we say, unprintable…..

    The Rangers, though, got it the worst. Once everybody started wearing black berets (the color of the Rangers’ beret), they had to adopt tan ones…..

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @JMcG
    , @Jim Don Bob
  49. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    >Strikingly, Indian Country Today back on January 19 got the Nathan Phillips service story right right in the caption at the top of its first article

    Ohh, Steve. You, of all people, are most certainly familiar of the concept of stealth editing. Web Archive shows they originally had it as “Vietnam Veteran” and switched to “Vietnam-era Veteran”.

    The change was made between 5:36 and 6:15 January 20th, GMT time— so between 12:36 AM and 1:15 AM Eastern DST, January 20th.

    So, I suppose, props to the small publication for having staff burning the midnight oil.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Buffalo Joe
  50. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    But I’m a big believer in ethnic stereotypes. Nathan Phillips looks a lot more Indian than many people in the Indian activist business, and real American Indians volunteer for the military at quite a high rate.

    Are American Indians stereotypically loud and aggressive in public?

  51. J.Ross says: • Website
    @istevefan

    >(paraphrase) so is the goal just to get word out
    Yes, the target is no-information normies, folks who in an earlier decade would be regular Oprah viewers.
    Compare the “Russian hackers” nonsense that doesn’t even qualify as a conspiracy theory. Trump-hating mainstream journals and solid deep state figures will tell you plainly that the election was not hacked and the results were not skewed by Russian activity. John McCain said this on the Congressional record. Then they will mutter about “Russian interference into the 2016 election.” It goes back to being the problem of our time whenever it isn’t central. In describing Democrat cheating in Alabama, “Russian interference” becomes a background detail, so we just don’t have enough time to clarify that there wasn’t any. It’s like an optical illusion visible out of the corner of your eye but which disappears when you look straight at it. A lot of people never look straight at anything.

  52. He could have said he is a veteran or served in the Marine Corps. This crap about Vietnam times or Vietnam era is just to make it sound like he fought in combat in the jungles of Vietnam. While technically true, it’s deliberately misleading. It’s like those old commercials for jewelry with genuine faux diamonds.

  53. J.Ross says: • Website
    @istevefan

    A hopeful note: they’re “getting away with it” because their deep state bosses (who make them do it) do not want to interrupt their own plans. They’re fooling less and less people, so they’re not entirely getting away with it.

  54. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Edit: Not Eastern DST, but Eastern standard– whatever we’re on now.

  55. wren says:

    If this guy is correct, he was a refrigerator mechanic who went AWOL several times, although of course he was never out of the country.

    • Replies: @wren
  56. There seems to be some revisionism going on with respect to Nathan Phillips and it seems that someone or other did claim in the past that he returned from Vietnam:

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/22/cleanup-time-indian-country-today-adjusts-nathan-phillips-vietnam-anecdote-in-2008-article/

    This is a screen cap of what it is said he claimed:

    The problem with stereotypes is …

    I mean, I know some dumb Chinese people.

  57. Ganderson says:
    @syonredux

    It is. I just showed this clip to my US History class the other day.

  58. @Jack D

    But if a story fits the Narrative and allows you to score points against the hated Trump, then suddenly it is “too good to check”. Or at least you have to let the story ride for a good few days and do its damage with low information voters AND then you retract it after the damage is already done and the low information voters never read the corrections on the bottom of p. 5.

    I had a look at David Brooks’s column on this fiasco; it’s pretty mild stuff. I also looked at the comments, which were open. Here, as in many online forums, I found a flood of foam-flecked leftist piling-on the little MAGA monsters. Most commenters were not even trying to assess the truthfulness or accuracy of the transgressions (real or otherwise) of the groups involved.

    A few interesting themes emerged (I exaggerate only slightly):

    1) Any public indication of support for the President of the United States (e.g. wearing anything that says ‘MAGA’) is the equivalent of a KKK white hood with a swastika logo.

    2) All responsibility for good behavior at public protests lies with white people, always, 100%. Vile racist abuse from Black Hebrews is an amusing backdrop to urban life that everyone from everywhere should know about, and be amusedly amused by. The actions of native American protesters, including and especially pounding away at drums in kids’ faces, are sacred and holy and to be RESPECTED, and all white Americans should be assiduously ‘educating’ themselves about these practices so that they ‘know how to act’ when they are fortunate enough to bear witness to their spiritual superiors being willing to share these holy sacred ceremonies with them.

    3) There’s an emerging market for Gandis-R-Us protest training in middle America. To wit, the following comment, which I must quote, as my powers of paraphrase must surely fail to do its tone justice:

    Responsible protesters prepare for events by attending workshops on non-violence. They practice safe, non-violent responses to being taunted and even threatened. They practice remaining calm and supportive to each other. Covington Catholic High School, did your administrators and teachers arrange for such workshops for your students? It’s not hard to find skilled facilitators, and their fees are low. Usually what can be covered by a bake sale or passing the hat.

    All this is not going to end well.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Gordo
  59. No doubt the Washington Post, as the federal government’s Company Town newspaper, employs somebody who knows all about technical Veteran Affairs issues like this, but he or she isn’t out reporting the latest breaking White Boy Bad story.

    The Washington Post used to have Thomas Gibbons-Neff, a Marine with two tours of combat duty in Afghanistan, reporting on the Pentagon and on Veterans affairs, but he got hired away by the New York Times. He was very good and wouldn’t have flubbed a detail like that. These days, there aren’t too many reporters like him to be found at the major papers—newspaper reporters today tend to be a good deal less macho and hard bitten than they were four or five decades ago, in Ben Bradlee’s era, when many had done military service. These days, they are usually from a very different kind of background.

  60. CUCKING ALERT!!!!

    Last night…Tucker Carlson on the attack on the Native Born White American Covingt0n High School Students:It’s not about race….the big Corporations…divide and conquer!!!….”

    In their words, we are not suppose to notice that we are being voted into a White Racial Minority-White Racial Foreigner within the borders of America by Kamala Harris’s People……..

    If Native Born White Americans were still a 90 percent racial majority within the borders of America……what happened two days ago never would have happened…..and Kamala Harris would never be elected POTUS on NOV 3 2020……

  61. ken says:

    And now there is this, Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine on Saturday evening, regarding the man who claimed he was attempting to diffuse the situation.

  62. b.t.o says:

    The journalist Vince Schilling who you quote above from ICT has just admitted he edited a 10 years old article to insert “era” between “vietnam” and “veteran” when describing Mr. Phillips.

    He doesn’t seem well, and to the extent he is mentally ill everyone should probably stop both raking him through the coals and/or reporting his every utterance in the national media.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  63. @Wilkey

    Somewhere, somehow, I hope someone is keeping a list of all the assholes who have jumped on these kids but have yet to issue unqualified apologies.

    You can put the cucks at National Review on that list.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/01/21/call-out-conservatives-join-the-lefts-lynch-mob/

  64. J.Ross says: • Website

    Kevin Barnett has died of unknown causes. No, I have no idea who he was either, apparently he was a supporting cast member on a TV show called “Rel.” I once saw a billboard advertising it and must assume it’s about pseudo-Semitic genetic engineering enthusiasts from French Canada. Anyway, dig: he died in Mexico, on vacation. He was 32.
    Was it drugs?
    Was it the Mexican understanding of order?
    When the causes are known, will there be an update?
    Will the lyingpress make any acknowledgment at all of how dangerous it is to vacation in Mexico?
    https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/kevin-barnett-dead-dies-32-rel-comedian-1203114643/

  65. @The Last Real Calvinist

    There’s an emerging market for Gandis-R-Us in middle America. To wit, the following comment, which I must quote, as my powers of paraphrase must surely fail to do its tone justice:

    Responsible protesters prepare for events by attending workshops on non-violence. They practice safe, non-violent responses to being taunted and even threatened. They practice remaining calm and supportive to each other.

    Funny you should bring up Gandhi.

    PiltdownChild1 made a reasonable case that young Nick Sandmann’s reaction to having a drum beaten in his face was, in fact, somewhat Gandhi-like. He smiled gently and calmly with a beatific smile (albeit mixed with considerable confusion) respecting the Indian tradition and prayer being directed at him, rather than insulting Phillips by walking away, or showing empathy, but in an insulting fashion, by some mock-Indian dancing or body movements. She also wondered, alternatively, if he was simply demonstrating his unwavering Christian faith by facing down the heathen ritual with calmness and resolve.

    She’s young and paleo-progressive in her politics, but tends to call it as she sees it.

    BTW, good summary of the reader comments on David Brooks’ NYT article. That pretty much sums it up.

  66. @Buffalo Joe

    And Haven Monahan. How will he ever get his reputation back.

  67. @istevefan

    ISteve, Thank you, I stand corrected

  68. @istevefan

    So it appears that being first with your story, despite the facts, might be a winning strategy since they are getting away with it.

    Yeah, weird. It’s almost like these “leftists” (pushing their globalist agenda) have developed ways to use the media to influence people into believing all kinds of crazy things.

    If they somehow controlled all the newspapers and TV stations, etc., such a power would make these “leftists” very dangerous indeed. They could make ridiculous news stories seem plausible to large numbers of people, knowing that few readers would take time to think critically about what they were being asked to believe.

  69. wren says:
    @wren

    In the Twitter replies there are several examples of Phillips himself claiming to be a Vietnam veteran, some with videos.

    The reality seems to be HVAC ranger or freon ranger or reefer ranger however….

    • Replies: @wren
    , @Chris Mallory
  70. @Buffalo Joe

    (the last word is pronounce corpse)

    Anyone want to let me in on this inside joke? It is a joke, right?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @CJ
  71. What You Need To Know About Smirking Faces:

    How can we, as a nation (of immigrants), allow children to wait at bus stops with smirks on their privileged faces? Is this who we are? Shouldn’t we be punching those faces? Isn’t that the moral thing to do? I’ve used question marks, but can any of these facts really be questioned?

    We will not have equality in this country until all smug, smirking faces at all bus stops are getting punched.

  72. @istevefan

    So in the end did they win by getting their story out first?
    I think they did.

    Of course they did. You don’t need control of the ‘news’ to win.

    You just need control of the headlines.

  73. J.Ross says: • Website

    Is Anthony Wayne going to have to storm out of hell?
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/nathan-phillips-rally-attempted-to-disrupt-mass-at-dcs-national-shrine-91038

    Video footage showed one supporter saying that the group had gathered at the shrine to listen to Phillips, and to hold the Catholic Church “accountable” for the alleged actions of the Covington Catholic students and for the “colonial violence that the Catholic Church reproduces every day.”

    Note: you cannot have a first amendment right to disrupt religious ceremonies, because that’s what the first amendment was prinarily intended to guarantee. Porn and political bickering are accidental side effects.

  74. I think the Steve-O-Sphere is being unfair here. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, in The Service appreciates that the bravery is signing up during wartime.
    Sure, it’s retrospectively sexier to have a resume of active combat service, but no individual picks if they get deployed or not. You just join and let the chips fall as they may. Making a kerfuffle about his record is somewhat unseemly.
    I have no opinion on this guy in particular, but it’s unfair to cast stones because he didn’t get a combat tour

    • Replies: @Danindc
  75. “Phillips said he served in the U.S. Marines but was never deployed to Vietnam.”

    I am certain the whole affair would have gone smoother had the troops enjoyed the benefit of a proper drummer boy.

    • Replies: @Endgame Napoleon
  76. newrouter says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Responsible protesters prepare for events by attending workshops on non-violence. They practice safe, non-violent responses to being taunted and even threatened. They practice remaining calm and supportive to each other.”

    rather “professional” protestor play this game.

  77. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The Archdiocese of Baltimore condemned the Covington Catholic students without retraction. The Archdiocese of Baltimore is headed by Archbishop William Lori, the effeminate Supreme Chaplain of the Knights of Columbus. The smoke of Satan is at suffocating levels within the Church as the fires rage without.

  78. @PiltdownMan

    PiltdownChild1 made a reasonable case that young Nick Sandmann’s reaction to having a drum beaten in his face was, in fact, somewhat Gandhi-like.

    I agree. The anti-white bias is so strong that people can’t even see what’s in front of them.

    Forget the “further” video. The original clip was just a kid standing passively in front of a creepy old Indian (I mean, “Sacred Tribal Elder”), who was banging a drum in his face.

    In no objective way did this make the kid a bad guy to begin with. I guess the Covington kids just hit the trifecta of leftist hate objects — white, male, and pro-Trump.

    At least the ensuing hate-hysteria flushed out the identities of some of the incipient monsters on the Left.

    Not to be too overdramatic, but this incident is a glimpse into how massacres like Rwanda ’94 and Indonesia ’65 got rolling. Luckily, these people are just keyboard warriors for now.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  79. anon1 says:

    I think he is a very immature man for a seventy year old. He was the instigator. He got in the kid’s face. What exactly is the point or purpose of banging a drum in some kid’s face for several minutes? The kid was the only person demonstrating any maturity.

    The mainstream media has told another lie, selling its false Jewish cultural Marxist narrative.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. J.Ross says: • Website

    Was the smirking not working? Let’s go back to “young white men are terrorists.”
    http://time.com/5509961/men-charged-planned-attack-muslim-community-ny/

    Three men and a high school student were charged with plotting to attack a rural upstate New York Muslim community named Islamberg with explosives, authorities said Tuesday.
    The Rochester-area residents are accused of plotting to attack the small Muslim enclave west of the Catskills, according to court papers.

    “I don’t know that there was a specific date. They had a plan in place,” Phelan said.

    Basis of the investigation was effectively a SWATting with the seizure of weapons “legally owned by relatives.”
    So once again, if you are dumb enough to share your plans or buy supplies from feds, the government will protect the American people from the evil plans you probably wouldn’t be able to pull off.

    • Replies: @Anon
  81. wren says:
    @wren

    In this video he refers to himself as a Vietnam veteran a little after the one minute mark.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @anon
  82. @Hypnotoad666

    I don’t know about that Indonesia massacre, Mr. Toad. I know about Rwanda. It was guys with machetes against either guys with machetes or no weapons. It’s different here.

    The ctrl-left is acting stupidity, in an ex-president’s words, to start this stuff before the American Police State had been fully established. They’re playing 1-D checkers right now.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  83. @syonredux

    Thanks. Mr. Redux. I will now try to find this movie.

    EDIT – it’s on the way, and I’m looking forward to watching it.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  84. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:

    I was at The Wrap, a left-leaning Hollywood/entertainment news website founded by an ex-LATimeser, and looked at their list of other stories in the sidebar.

    MEDIA
    Vulture Writer Who Wished Death on Covington Students Fired From Job at INE Entertainment

    MOVIES
    Film Producer Jack Morrissey Apologizes for Deleted Covington ‘Woodchipper’ Tweet

    MEDIA
    GQ Writer Regrets Tweet Calling for Covington Students to Be Doxxed

    “First they came for the Nazis and fascists and racists and anti-Semites and alt-righters and misogynists and transphobes and NRA members and Beckys and omnivores and fired them for minor speech acts, but now they’re coming for us! Our tactics are backfiring!”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  85. JimDandy says:

    BTW, what The National Review’s walkback is being called an apology. This is not an apology:

    “Nick (Frankovich) was operating off the best version of events he had on Saturday night, and writing as a faithful Catholic and pro-lifer who has the highest expectations of his compatriots, not as a social-justice activist.”

  86. mr. wild says:

    My step-grandfather was an Oklahoma band Choctaw and was at Guadacanal. He would fly into a rage about fake vets.

  87. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Truth or Fiction on the Kamala-Willie story:

    https://www.truthorfiction.com/sen-kamala-harris-affair-married-man-used-launch-career-mostly-fiction/

    Their conclusion: NOT TRUE, on the basis that Willie and his wife were separated at the time, so the affair was not “furtive and seedy.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  88. Thea says:

    The real lesson here, that I hope the public gets is that white Christian children are fair game . The more people to accept this cruel reality the better.

  89. Lot says:

    One awful reporter was fired for saying he wished all the boys and their parents would die.

    https://www.thewrap.com/vulture-writer-on-covington-students-i-just-want-these-people-to-die-simple-as-that/

    Anything milder than that is OK with the MSM though.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  90. Anon7 says:

    As soon as the media stopped calling Philips a Vietnam vet, they started calling him an “elder”, which I’m equally doubtful about.

    Philips was placed in foster care as a child and was raised away from the reservation. As a young man, he didn’t know anything about his tribal traditions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  91. He claimed to be a vet. He also claimed to have been spit on when he came back.

  92. @Wilkey

    Obviously hate hoaxes comprise a big portion of the SJW business model.

    Indeed. I’ve decided that the KKK and American Nazi’s are the slack-jawed, dim-witted SJW equivalent of “Bigfoot.” They’ve never seen one, but they know they’re all around us.

  93. AlanP says:

    You don’t BS an American Indian publication about military service.

    You do if you’re Nathan Phillips, with an assist from Vincent Schilling. That article was edited sometime after 04:45 GMT January 20.

    http://archive.li/EiR1I

  94. This Twitchy thread includes a tweet from someone who seems to have found a record of Nathan Phillips spending his Marine service time as a refrigeration technician in Lincoln, NE, and El Toro, CA:

    https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/22/cleanup-time-indian-country-today-adjusts-nathan-phillips-vietnam-anecdote-in-2008-article/

    Another tweet dubs Phillips the ‘Freon Ranger’, in homage to Phillips’s own claims that he was a ‘Recon Ranger’.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  95. @PiltdownMan

    PiltdownChild1 made a reasonable case that young Nick Sandmann’s reaction to having a drum beaten in his face was, in fact, somewhat Gandhi-like. He smiled gently and calmly with a beatific smile (albeit mixed with considerable confusion) respecting the Indian tradition and prayer being directed at him, rather than insulting Phillips by walking away, or showing empathy, but in an insulting fashion, by some mock-Indian dancing or body movements. She also wondered, alternatively, if he was simply demonstrating his unwavering Christian faith by facing down the heathen ritual with calmness and resolve.

    PiltdownChild1 shows sound judgement. In spite of her youthful political proclivities, it’s evidence you’ve raised her well.

    • Replies: @anonomy
    , @PiltdownMan
  96. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    He will be immediately rehired by the same sort of thing.

  97. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Nathan Philips Logic:

    “Build the Wall” — BAD MEDICINE!!!

    “This is indigenous land” — GOOD MEDICINE!!!

    But wouldn’t the wall defend his indigenous land from further invasion by non-natives?

    If American Indians had effective barriers against invasion-immigration, this land would still be theirs.

    Too much firewater for Chief Philips. Dissonance between his ears. Build him another casino.

  98. Tiny Duck says:

    Where did Mr. Phillips lie?

    He never said he fought in Vietnam. He said he was a Vietnam era veteran. Two totally different things

    The know disrespected an elder and acted like the jerks they are

    Only a racist wound disagree

    Just read Leonard Pitts

  99. @The Last Real Calvinist

    All this is not going to end well.

    Truer words.

    A this point even conversation is pretty pointless. One can trott out facts, data, use logic and reason, explain mathematical necessities, offer thought experiment and simple models. All the sort pale penis people reasoning guys like me are wont to do. It’s pointless.

    We need to raise the banner of separation. Offer separation, and accept war when the inevitable “f-u and die white boy!” comes back.

  100. wren says:

    Once, Europeans came to America and “stole” the land, which was valuable.

    Now society is made of narrative, and the Europeans are trying to steal the natives’ narrative.

    “He (Sandmann) stole my narrative,” Phillips said. “From the time I hit that first beat of the drum until I hit the last beat, I was in prayer. Now all of a sudden, he’s the prayer guy and the passive one.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/22/nathan-phillips-nick-sandman-covington-catholic/2642855002/

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/society-is-made-of-narrative-realizing-this-is-awakening-from-the-matrix-787c7e2539ae

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  101. J.Ross says: • Website
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Did Phillips specifically claim to be recon? The line at the link is lawyerly: he claims that people called him baby-killer and spat on him. Well, maybe that happened. An airheaded person, worked up by totalitarian propaganda, seeing a guy in uniform might attack without worrying about details. If Phillips does somewhere LARP as LRRP then it’s classic full strength “I’m not lying, it’s my dad’s Navy Cross” and he’s toast even if he did wear a uniform. The quotes I see suggests he’s very careful with his phrasing. He will be allowed to fade back quietly without repercussions.

  102. @AnotherDad

    It was always about “f-u and die white boy!”….and you wanted to have a the-eyes-glaze-over-IQ test score psychometric debate……how foolish of you…..

  103. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    From Vogue in April of last year:

    https://www.vogue.com/projects/13542941/return-to-standing-rock/

    He raised a wooden staff adorned with nine eagle feathers in the air as he addressed his security team, volunteers who had stepped back into familiar roles guarding gates at camp. They were outfitted in head-to-toe camouflage, masked by bandanas printed with the word Resist, and bearing walkie-talkies. “I have a relative here who said he’d lead the way and scout ahead for us,” Phillips continued, his voice breaking. “You know, I’m from Vietnam times. I’m what they call a recon ranger. That was my role. So I thank you for taking that point position for me.”

    Hat tip to the @NoMan2000 Twitter blitz recreated here:

    https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/01/21/doesnt-really-add-up-tweeps-thread-on-nathan-phillips-claims-of-vietnam-service-will-make-you-go-hmmmmm/

    There’s an elite Marines special op force called Force Reconnaissance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Force_Reconnaissance

    There’s also a semi-elite Army (not Navy/Marines) force called the Rangers.

    Of course, maybe Vogue just made this up and he never said it. Or somebody else said it. I would not be surprised at all at this point.

    Here’s an unsubstantiated, but detailed, forum comment:

    https://www.discussionist.com/10151920945

    Nathan Phillips aka Nathan Stanard was a refrigerator mechanic (1161) in the Marine Corps Reserves who went AWOL twice, and was confined to the brig and kicked out of the Marines as an E1 – Private in El Toro, CA after spending most of his USMC Reserve service in Lincoln, NE, and never left the States.

    “Reserve”? Did this postdate his four years?

    By the way, the New York Times has a correction up now also on their website and their Twitter feed. They say that they have requested Phillips’s record from the Pentagon. The Times may be biased, but they obviously don’t want to die on this particular molehill. So the full details should be forthcoming. The Times apparently has decided not to just let this go. Maybe someone there wants to teach a lesson to the PC millennials who let this mistake go through.

    Added, someone got hold of his military records, assuming Stanard is really him, shown in this video:

  104. AL. says:

    Steve’s intuition is correct. In this CNN interview transcript, “lightly edited for flow and content,” Phillips is quoted as saying he’s a “Vietnam veteran.” But in the video at the top of the story he calls himself a “Vietnam times veteran.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

    Whether Phillips intends to mislead with this claim is hardly relevant. He’s shown himself willing to lie up and down about these kids, but even that’s not really important. We’re not losing our country because a broken-down Indian activist tried to put one over on us. The real issue is more like the eagerness of those in media and culture to condemn whites for being white, and their willingness to lie if it serves that objective.

  105. Unpunched faces are rotting in the fields!

  106. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if the liberals will attack other White high school kids on the spring field trips coming soon. It’s been so successful this time. They’ll probably use blacks to hsrsss the school trip kids.

    They’ll call them Trump Youth, come to the capitol to harass all the good non Whites and gays of DC.

  107. jon says:
    @Wilkey

    Somewhere, somehow, I hope someone is keeping a list of all the assholes who have jumped on these kids but have yet to issue unqualified apologies.

    They are, it’s called #VerifiedBullies and it was started by someone named CJ Pearson:

  108. J.Ross says: • Website

    Pittsburgh is trying to be San Francisco; between now and mid-Febuary they hope to eliminate the Second Amendment in Pittsburgh, despite that whole supremacy thing and a Pennsylvania state law saying they cannot. The council’s response is that they do not care because they are Marxist activists. Locals will protest again this Thursday.
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/01/staff-writer/pittsburgh-city-councilman-violating-the-constitution-is-fine-if-youre-on-the-right-side-of-history/

  109. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    The Left is so powerful that they just rock on no matter how slimey they are revealed to be during the post-hysteria fact check.
    Hard to argue that any of the media outlets or other elite niches responsible for the big hoaxes of the past 20 years are any less powerful today.

    It’s a hoax nation now. The Left runs it. No contest from the cuck opposition. It’s over.

    Dan Rather is seething! What he did wasn’t wrong …… it was futuristic!

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  110. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, Phillips seems decent.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  111. Anonymous[786] • Disclaimer says:

    Similar case of crumbling integrity didn’t harm Richard Blumenthal at all.

    That makes Nathaniawatha a perfect candidate for Warren’s Veeping Tomahawk….

    https://postimg.cc/87dR8xgH

  112. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:

  113. sf says:

    A little OT, but the Atlantic Magazine has lowered its paywall, presumably because it thinks everyone should read its article by Yoni Appelbaum about why Trump should be impeached. Does it say anything about these people that his given name is also the Sanskrit word for vagina?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  114. Tim says:

    How did this thread become about berets (homo say what)?

    But I guess it’s also about Indians in the service. It is true that a large percentage of Indians do join the service-but, sadly a lot of them Have many types of ear, eye and throat infections, and don’t make it through the physical exam. And when the military rejects them they take it very hard. . . . alcohol, depression and suicide is what often happens.

    The other thing is that while many of them get in, I’ve rarely seen any raise too much. to succeed in the light infantry or the special forces, you really need a fire in your belly. And it seems like mostly only white kids have that for the military.

    It’s tough, because you want these guys to succeed, but they usually just drift.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  115. @Tiny Duck

    I think Tiny D*ck has been spending too much time playing with his tiny d*ck!

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  116. @Hypnotoad666

    Who is NR’s market these days? The size of said market can’t be more than 12, can it?

  117. @Ozymandias

    If he can’t handle passing by the silly ritual of high-spirited Covington High School lads, how’s he going to take on the Vietcong? How’d he get through the punishing Marine Corps boot camp? How could he ever survive in a $10-per-hour call center, full of absentee mom cronies who, when at work, push out the non culture fits with a daily hail of steel-tipped barbs?

  118. Hail says: • Website
    @Pincher Martin

    fighting white racism all his life

    We looked on with interest at how the High Moralists of the media became so implicitly passionate about the Amerindian this weekend. An instant awakening to the Red Man’s issues! Media ringleaders and second- and third-tier lynchmobists all lined up to defend this “Elder” (implied to be a title, maybe a respected adviser to the chief? Not that any of the media lynch-mob leaders knew what it meant).

    Millions of voices in unison: A classic Two-Minute Hate against some villainous White teenagers, yes, but also a noble Two-Minute Love for the poor Amerindians.

    The media, of course, loves the Red Man and tirelessly advocates for their issues.

    But wait. Do they? Had we heard even a single story of note about Amerindian issues in the prestige media in the past six months before Nathan Phillips? The last I can recall is Standing Rock, which was last in the news in the first half of 2017. Nothing in 2018. Whatever issues there may be, the media didn’t care. And here is a prediction: We won’t hear much at all on Amerindian issues in the six months to come, either, once this blows over and the shabby little hoax of “Nathan Phillips, persecuted Tribal Elder” is forgotten.

    ___________

    All these politicized racial ‘incidents’ have something in common, besides the fact that the soon-to-be-forgotten specifics events never turn out to be quite as we were told. I refer to the celebrated victims at center stage: They seem to generally turn out to be unsympathetic figures, sometimes shockingly unsympathetic figures.

    To take two well-known examples: Trayvon “Skittles and Ice Tea” Martin and Michael Brown, the Gentle Giant of Ferguson, Missouri. Both turned out to be aggressive, criminal thugs. Not what we were marketed. The same with Nathan Phillips: Maybe not a criminal thug, but a really weird character, anti-social, drama-queen, passive-aggressive, a bad-faith actor, a con artist; the kind of person who tosses himself in front of cars to shake down the driver for an insurance payoff.

    What is it that makes the digital lynch-mob leaders have such a poor batting average on picking noble victims to celebrate? They always seem to choose less-than-ideal or even awful representatives of the purportedly persecuted races. Surely they could get their act together and find an actual sympathetic figure, somewhere in this country of 325 million residents, to build an Anti-White Two-Minute Hate around, for once…

    • Agree: byrresheim
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    , @Jack D
    , @anon
  119. @jJay

    America’s WWII death toll from non-combat air crashes was in the tens of thousands, including Carole Lombard and Glenn Miller.

  120. J.Ross says: • Website
    @sf

    But he’s not an Indian, so his name doesn’t mean that, it’s like “Johnny” (from Yonatan). Bibi’s famous martyr-brother Yonatan Netanyahu was called Yoni.

  121. @syonredux

    Funny how the last time nobody seems to have bothered signing a peace treaty with Germany.

    Even funnier how most Germans refuse to notice this fun fact.

  122. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Nice catch. Unfortunately the Detroit Free Press as of this writing still hasn’t corrected Phillips’s war claims. They do have a note up that they have “reached out” to him for clarification, and I’m sure he’ll get right back to them.

  123. CJ says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Barack Obama, onetime editor of the Harvard Law Review, in a speech referred to a Marine as a Corpsman, which he pronounced corpse-man. This is not how it’s generally done, particularly in the Marine Corps.

  124. istevefan says:
    @Anon

    There’s also a semi-elite Army (not Navy/Marines) force called the Rangers.

    Semi? I think you would get an argument on that.

  125. syonredux says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks. Mr. Redux. I will now try to find this movie.

    EDIT – it’s on the way, and I’m looking forward to watching it.

    One caveat: that scene is the only part of the movie that I have seen…..

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  126. The following day, Nathan Phillips attempted to use his drum routine to disrupt the Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception apparently in protest of his treatment by the 15 year old Catholic high schoolers at the Lincoln Memorial. Makes sense.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/42526/report-nathan-phillips-led-protest-inside-catholic-amanda-prestigiacomo

    Phillips also served in the Battle of Dubstep Hill under General DJ Skrillex in an EDM video where he performs as a Native American “elder” who uses his pow wow magic to combat White gentrifiers. Phillips even plays his drum in the music video.

    This video apparently has 381 Million views yet few people recognized its protagonist when he appeared in virtually the same role in our nation’s latest racial struggle session. The only thing less subtle than the Skrillex video was the media’s collective meltdown this past weekend over the Lincoln Memorial drum circle.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jim jones
  127. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The combat carnage was one thing, but the non combat death toll from WWII style aviation was disgraceful.

    QC was terrible, flight instruction was poor, and very few people really understood how airplanes flew.

    But they made a hell of a lot of airplanes. We can’t seem to do that anymore.

  128. @The Z Blog

    Maybe he was a “Refon Ranger” when he served with Frank Dux as he went AWOL roughly the same time as the Kunnite.

  129. there were more than a few papers saying that Phillips was a “Vietnam era vet”–it was the variation in language, along with Steve’s post, that got me researching it.

    No one paid any attention to the Omaha paper, which gently suggests his tribe thought he was mentally ill, and described his service this way:

    “More personally, he says, it involves his own fight against alcoholism, a childhood floating through foster homes in Nebraska, and an early adulthood spent first in the Marine Corps and later being thrown in and out of jail.”

    A 64 year old is generally too young to have served in Vietnam, full stop.

  130. Hail says: • Website
    @wren

    He definitely says “Vietnam veteran,” and not a variant like “Vietnam-Era Veteran.” But overall he is not very coherent.

    It’s hard to hear what he’s saying but here is a transcription attempt. (He does not maintain eye contact with either the camera or the interviewer. He has the odd, drug-addict’s or all-purpose paranoid man’s habit of, at regular intervals, glancing over his shoulder…almost as if to make sure another hobo isn’t about to run off with his bindle):

    [from 0:54]

    Nathan Phillips: They let me know that I could go back to the reservation. That they had rights. Their rights [trumped?] mine…

    Interviewer: So how did that make you feel?

    Nathan Phillips: Well, as a Vietnam veteran, I’m, you know — I served in the United States Marine Corps from 1972 to ’76. Seventy-six, that was the year after Vietnam ended. And, uhh, so I understand Freedom of Speech, Freedom of, you know, Rights, party, have a good time.

    Interviewer: Right.

    Nathan Phillips: But it’s individuals like [begins mumbling and glancing around room]

    The Vietnam veteran thing is a topically irrelevant sidebar at best, and his argument is what I would call a non-sequitur. Dropping ‘Vietnam veteran’ into this conversation in the way that he did is a red flag, I think, that shouts: “Manipulation.”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  131. J.Ross says: • Website

    From the Freep article linked above, which still says that “Phillips … serv[ed] in the Vietnam War”:

    That same year [2015], Phillips said he was racially harassed by a group of students at Eastern Michigan University. Fox 2 Detroit reported on the incident at the time.

    Phillips said he was walking by when he noticed students dressed up as Native Americans, saying they wanted to bring back the university’s previous logo [sic — mascot] of an Native American tribe, the Hurons [CMU’s mascot is still the Chippewas].

    “I told them … that was racist and they got upset with that,” Phillips told the Free Press. “One of the students threw a full can of beer at me that was unopened and hit me with it [It’s no joke {waah waah}! Your face is bleeding! You’ll soon be leav-ing this town …], and the police did nothing. The school did nothing.”

    Phillips said he’s concerned about the [Obama era] political climate that he said causes incidents like those he has experienced.

    Italics added: Phillips has a very clumsy con artist style of talking, reframing the overall scene as often as possible (“There I was …”, “It wasn’t a consciousness thing…”), and he calmly observes others getting upset but is, according to him, never the one to be emotional. And somehow I don’t think that the police ignored a seriously injured elderly minority man.

    • Replies: @Hail
  132. @Tiny Duck

    “He said he was a Vietnam era veteran”

    No, there is video of him the DAY OF THE EVENT claiming “vietnam vet”. No “era”.

  133. Hail says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Phillips has a very clumsy con artist style of talking

    Well said. They really put their money on the wrong horse, here. Yet again.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  134. When exactly did our military stop using drummer-boys?

  135. donut says:
    @istevefan

    “The only catch is that you had to initiate the process by getting the proper forms and submitting them to the Army.”

    That could turn out to be quite a catch . About eight years or more ago I contacted the relevant bureaucracy to get a copy of my DD 214 . They sent me a new DD 214 alright but somehow screwed it up and only credited me with 4 years of service instead of the 8 I served on active duty . I figured f**k it , it wouldn’t be worth the headache of going back and forth with them to get it right .

  136. @The Z Blog

    Phillips is similar to many of the phonies documented in B.G. Burkett’s 1998 book, “Stolen Valor.” He was in the military, but NOT in Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  137. donut says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yeah kind of like the noble savages of Morocco .

  138. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jJay

    I read unbroken, horrible story

  139. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Yeah, American Indians do seem to have a lot of martial ardor:

    Phillips didn’t seem to when he was in the actual military. Only when harassing a small kid on the Mall.

  140. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Great post.

    It bothers me to no end when I’m at some event and the host asks everyone to honor our veterans and for any veteran to stand up. Everyone cheers and claps. For what and whom? For some guy who worked on computers in Maryland or some guy who drove a truck in Georgia.

    Consider further all the generous government benefits they receive and the leg up over civilians in job hiring and university admissions.

  141. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Hail

    You know who he reminds me of? Lafayette Hubbard. He talks just like Source.

  142. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon7

    Philips was placed in foster care as a child and was raised away from the reservation. As a young man, he didn’t know anything about his tribal traditions.

    Was he raised by White people?

    • Replies: @Anon7
  143. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    In one of the interviews, he also claimed beer bottles and cans were thrown at him (by the Catholic boys, apparently). It’s the Rolling Stone night of the broken glass all over again.

    • Replies: @Detective Club
  144. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @sf

    article by Yoni Appelbaum about why Trump should be impeached

    German-Americans turning on each other.

  145. The kid has a lot of composure. Seriously, can you imagine being in the middle of this national media shit storm when you were his age.

    Also, OT: Samantha Guthrie’s not bad looking but she seems to be missing an upper lip. Just thought I’d point that out.

  146. Mr. Anon says:

    If he had fought in Vietnam, wouldn’t that just have made him an agent of the White Man’s imperialism and a soldier in a genocidal war against POCs?

  147. Given how credulous, biased and innumerate the media are, Phillips could have passed himself off as a Navaho code talker who was wounded on Iwo Jima and no one would have questioned it. “Tribal elder” privilege is the best privilege.

  148. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Who is NR’s market these days?

    IDK. Mitt Romney probably still has a subscription.

  149. @Hail

    Dropping ‘Vietnam veteran’ into this conversation in the way that he did is a red flag, I think, that shouts: “Manipulation.”

    Yeah. But it sounds better than “alcoholic drifter.”

  150. @MartinGale

    Nathan Phillips was one of the Marines raising the flag on Iwo Jima in the statue.

  151. donut says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A couple of years ago I posted the exact numbers of deaths in WW2 non-combat aircraft crashes here . I can’t find the link now but I do remember the number being a real shocker .

    Coalition Casualties in Persian Gulf War

    The DoD reports that U.S. forces suffered 148 battle-related deaths (35 to friendly fire), with one pilot listed as MIA (his remains were found and identified in August 2009). A further 145 Americans died in non-combat accidents. The UK suffered 47 deaths (9 to friendly fire), France two, and the Arab countries, not including Kuwait, suffered 37 deaths (18 Saudis, 10 Egyptians, 6 UAE, and 3 Syrians). At least 605 Kuwaiti soldiers were still missing 10 years after their capture.

    Friendly fire casualties in Persian gulf war

    While the death toll among Coalition forces engaging Iraqi combatants was very low, a substantial number of deaths were caused by accidental attacks from other allied units. Of the 148 American troops who died in battle, 24% were killed by friendly fire, a total of 35 service personnel. A further 11 died in detonations of allied munitions. Nine British service personnel were killed in a friendly fire incident when a United States Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt II attacked a group of two Warrior IFVs.

    However, as of the year 2000, 183,000 U.S. veterans of the Gulf War, more than a quarter of the U.S. troops who participated in War, have been declared permanently disabled by the Department of Veterans Affairs. About 30% of the 700,000 men and women who served in U.S. forces during the Gulf War still suffer an array of serious symptoms whose causes are not fully understood.

    I didn’t know you could be permanently disabled by boredom .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @syonredux
    , @Jack D
  152. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Koch Brothers can buy a few million subscriptions a year. As long as a few NR writers are taken seriously by Fox News and MSNBC, that investment pays for itself.

  153. Mr. Anon says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I agree with everything you say. It pisses me off no end when people say that “our troops” are fighting for “our freedom”. If they are, then they’re doing a piss-poor job of it, because our freedom is restricted more and more every day.

    Another common signal I have come to despise is the Greatest Generation adulation, especially in the mouths of liberals. They fall all over themselves praising WWII veterans for their sacrifice ………. and then excoriate every single belief they held and the society they built when they returned from war. I’m pretty sure that very few WWII veterans would be cool with dudes marrying each other, or dudes claiming to be chicks, or virtually the entire political establishment welcoming or making excuses for illegal immigration, or the country being flooded with muslims and backward savages from pirate-state hell-holes like Somalia. The orderly, square, rather conservative society that the actual WWII veterans helped build – America in the 1950s – is now routinely derided as some kind of nightmare of oppression and evil.

    It’s as if they’re saying that the only value those men had lay in their capacity to suffer and die, not in what they lived for, believed in, and cherished. When you think about it, it’s incredibly offensive and insulting.

  154. @Anon

    One suspicions that the school leadership would prefer to avoid going to the March For Life, but doesn’t want to say so out loud.

  155. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    I’ve got relatives who have served in Special Forces, and their opinions on the topic are, shall we say, unprintable…..

    The Rangers, though, got it the worst. Once everybody started wearing black berets (the color of the Rangers’ beret), they had to adopt tan ones…..

    Whatever happened to forage caps? They used to be common in every service. I understand that they were also often called c*nt-caps. So the military was wearing p**sy-hats even before the Womens March marchers. F**kin’ woke!

  156. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut

    However, as of the year 2000, 183,000 U.S. veterans of the Gulf War, more than a quarter of the U.S. troops who participated in War, have been declared permanently disabled by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

    Wow, that is a huge number of in-their-prime potential workers. What benefits do permanently disabled veterans receive?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  157. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Amazing video. I bet that if they had made the exact same video, but without paying Phillips, he would be protesting it as a sacrilegious and disrespectful appropriation of (fake) native spirituality. Can you imagine, say, a Catholic priest hiring himself out to portray an exorcism, complete with special effects demons, in a hip hop video?

  158. @Steve Sailer

    Glenn Miller’s plane got blown up in mid-air by a bomber dropping it’s bombs in a safe zone after an aborted mission. This was covered up until the early 2000s.

  159. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @MartinGale

    I went deep on the code talker thing a couple of months ago, and I got the impression that it’s largely fake. There were a bunch of Indians from various tribes who were given some training, but the program was largely unimplemented. What did happen was dolled up for and by the media as a post war feelgood, we-beat-those-Japs-good story.

    I suspect that this propaganda, howevery, may be partly responsible for military enthusiasm among young native men. Will we see a wave of black, female mathematicians, er, planetary physicists, er, arithmetians now after the similarly fake Hidden Figures?

  160. syonredux says:
    @donut

    Twenty-nine percent of U.S. Army deaths in WWII were from non-combat causes (92,656 of 318,274): 9% were aircraft accidents (27,628), 9% were non-aircraft accidents (29,224), 8% were from disease (26,518), and 3% were from other causes (9,286). Army deaths would have included those of the USAAF, which did not become a separate service until 1947.

    29% of U.S. Army deaths in WWII were from non-combat causes (92,656 of 318,274) cross post from TIL from ww2

    Found this on Reddit

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    , @Hail
  161. @Anonymous

    I find it interesting that no editor or even proofreader know that ‘Vietnam Era’ vets are so designated so as to get preference in getting federal (and I assume some state and local) government jobs. I’m early middle age, and I saw the ‘Vietnam Era’ phrase lots of times on job, school, scholarship, etc. applications.

    As to your “something he’s not” comment, I’ve seen it too, and the only reason to use it (other than to check it off on a job application) is to try and get people to infer incorrectly that you are a combat vet.

    And don’t get me started on people who served in the “combat theater” but not in combat. I knew a guy who served on a sub during Vietnam and more often than not, wore his “Vietnam Veteran” ball cap.

  162. Danindc says:
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Good points. He did absolutely lie about the events of the day and put these kids in harm’s way. He’s a really bad guy.

  163. @Anon

    Film Producer Jack Morrissey Apologizes for Deleted Covington ‘Woodchipper’ Tweet

    I would never sincerely suggest violence against others, especially kids. Lesson learned.

    He would never sincerely do what he just did. Seriously.

    I clearly intended it to be seen as satire. That was clearly not recorded that way by many who saw it.

    “I can’t help it if you saw my depiction of children being fed into a woodchipper as offensive.”

    It’s not as though there’s anything inherently offensive about feeding children into woodchippers. Especially white children. I hate white children, don’t you?

    Imagine black children. Imagine any children except white children.
    Someone would be out of a job, at the very least.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  164. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Yeesh, TD is just phoning it in now. That’s the best evidence I’ve seen that this entire episode did in fact draw some blood from the other side.

  165. anon[960] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren

    Phillips is a very creepy looking bloke.
    Looking at his face and manner of speaking, I’d say he’s a pederast.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  166. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    I was wondering what the so-called AIM song was that Phillips was singing:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM_Song

    A popular theory is that it developed from a simple song hummed by a child at Crow Fair….

    A more likely theory is that it was developed between two early members of the American Indian Movement.

    The song became popular around the time of the Wounded Knee incident in 1970s South Dakota. It was sung at protests and recorded on the news, and thus gained its connotations with the American Indian Movement.

    Because the song is pan-tribal, it was used by members of AIM, who belonged to various tribes and spoke different languages.

    The song comprises non-lexical vocables (abstract sounds rather than semantic words). This involves the heavy use of vowels and semi-vowels, as consonants would bias the song towards a particular tribe (whose language uses those consonants).

    I wonder if we need to create the concept of the Magical Injun to go along with the Magical Negro?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

  167. @anon

    You can tell just by looking!

  168. Pericles says:
    @PiltdownMan

    She’s young and paleo-progressive in her politics

    At last someone takes up the mantle of Joe McCarthy.

  169. AndrewR says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    My father still subscribes to them despite his anger at their anti-Trump stance.

  170. @MartinGale

    He could try tracking human scat on the sidewalks of California or Human waste trafficking (“Pale Oppressing-Race-Face, want some reservation-grown magic organic sh*t?”) or continue as a Code Word Talking Pointman for the Press.

  171. @Steve Sailer

    OTOH – Who knows what evil lurks and smirks in the hearts of white men?
    -The Shadow Ban knows!

  172. Old Prude says:
    @istevefan

    I thought Clinton had the Army wear berets in honor of Monica.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Detective Club
  173. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog

    Maybe, but he was a DAMN brave refrigerator mechanic.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  174. NickG says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    the last word is pronounce corpse

    Only by Obama, the rest of us pronounce it core.

  175. Anonymous[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon1

    He’s a First Amendment troll. Like those Westboro Baptist people. Get in someone’s face, follow them around and provoke them, and hope that they lose it and shove you out of the way: that’s a civil rights violation and you can now sue them for $$$.

    • Replies: @Hail
  176. Old Prude says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Totally agree. I spent five years in the Army in Germany in the 80s, flying, skiing and getting laid. I don’t call myself a veteran and don’t take any veteran gibs. A real veteran gets shot at, or someone tries to drop a Scud on their head. When people thank me for my ‘service’, I find it embarrassing, but out of politeness I respond “It was a privilege”.

    After attending my 25th West Point class reunion and talking with my classmates who stayed in, its pretty clear today’s military isn’t about keeping the commies away. Its about a government job and a pension.

  177. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Yeah, no. I think we’ll be cancelling the Disney Channel.

  178. RVBlake says:
    @Anonymous

    He seems to be a brave lad, but submitting yourself to do an MSM interview? Ask Steve King how that went.

    • Replies: @anon1
  179. Hank Yobo says:
    @Curle

    The New England colonists faced their enemies without support from any outside government or military

    Point of order, your honor. Amerindian allies helped the New Englanders defeat Metacomet. I think that these Natives would qualify as “outside government or military.”

  180. @jJay

    The airplanes were so poorly built that there was a period where there were more lives were lost just test flying and moving them to the war zone than in combat.

    Calculated trade-off; it was industrial war taken to the logical conclusion. Build airframes “just good enough” to get out the door and into the fight as quickly as possible, so Uncle Sam could bring his resource-rich weight to bear in men and material against enemies who could not scale as quickly. We got better as the war went on and realized it was very costly to train good pilots and lose them just like that.

    Of course, just as applicable to the ground and water combat domains. The Sherman was a mass produced “just-so” tank that did ok in overwhelming numbers against much better German tanks with bigger guns, but at a heavy price in American tankers’ lives spent. Also, read about the hard lessons we had to learn about our ship designs and naval combat training in late 1942 as our cruisers kept getting blown out of the water by Japanese Long Lance torpedoes around Guadalcanal; we had a real intelligence deficit about actual Japanese capabilities vs their perceived capabilities, and we lost 4,000+ sailors in 90 days around the island fending off Japanese attempts to push us off. We also rushed the “destroyer escort” design into production, which was basically a fast civ transport vessel with some 5 inch guns and aluminum foil for armor on the topside because we really needed escort ships for all the big carriers coming off the line.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Discard
  181. jim jones says:
    @Clifford Brown

    The song was used as a backing track in the game Far Cry 3 which is why it has so many views.

  182. And what’s up with the name “Nathan Phillips” anyway? I think I’m triggered by the massive white boi cultural appropriation there. Sounds like an American Revolutionary War hero or something. He should go with his given tribal name, such as One Who Beats the Drum Quickly, or some such.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @CJ
  183. ChrisZ says:
    @syonredux

    Syon and Achmed, you might also be interested in “Black Robe,” a 1991 film by Bruce Beresford, about a Catholic missionary among the Huron in the 1600s. Gruesome at times, but it vividly depicts the civilizational distance between the European settlers and Indians. Discussion of the film would be worthy of its own iSteve thread.

  184. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ve been confused (seriously – regarding some seriously bad s***) by various and sundry Indonesian massacres. I remembered that Chris Hitchens famously went ballistic on Henry Kissinger, but thought (until Googling) that was because of the really big show (that was cold, sorry) during the 60’s rather the later invasion of East Timor. “The Year of Living Dangerously” covered the former. Again, seriously, I’ve confused Suharto with the Beavis & Butthead-ish smirk-inducingly-named “Bung” Sukarno and the last time tried, could not find confirmation that the latter when told that he had been surreptitiously filmed (8mm stock or maybe Super 8?) with a mistress, that was fine by him given that it would serve to broadcast his virility. (a similar 8mm film/very short short within a movie of James Bond in “From Russia With Love” was tossed in the drink around the end of the feature film).
    I once had an odd, but very understandably short conversation during which I had confused the names only of Helen Hunt (not of course, her brother, Mike or Helen Bedd) and Linda Hunt. The latter starred in the aforementioned Dangerous Year as “Billy[!] Kwan.” At the time she had not yet batted the blue eyes bequeathed by the addictive Spice Melange of “Dune.”
    I can’t remember where I came across a characterization (haven’t read Thomas Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks, but think he’s written about middleman minorities in a column/s) of Jews as the “Overseas Chinese of The West” – something like that.

    Also see Tut-Tut-Tutsi, goodbye –
    sorry, going to bed or maybe hell now

  185. @Anon

    Apparently Oracle liked to hire smart Asians. The Dept. of Labor thinks this is a problem — not for whites, mind you — but for their fellow “people of color.”

    But there is also an interesting accusation that using H1-B Visa-holders is a discriminatory practice because it “suppresses wages.”

    The complaint alleges Oracle preferred hiring Asian visa-holders, more specifically, which it says “lends itself to suppression of that workforce’s wages” since visa-holders are dependent on Oracle for work authorization.

  186. @The preferred nomenclature is...

    That’s 4: Romney, both Koch Bros and Andrew R.’s father.

  187. Hrw-500 says:

    Could we nickname Nathan Phillips as “NathanPhillipspuff” as it sound more or less like that internet meme known as “trigglypuff”?

    And speaking of internet memes, some Nathan Phillips memes had appeared.


  188. iffen says:

    real American Indians volunteer for the military at quite a high rate.

    One more straw on the back of Senator Warren’s camel.

  189. @wren

    Wow, here’s a radical thought. It can be both at the same time! Why must it be binary win/lose? I think both Mr. Phillips and Mr. Sandmann can peacefully exercise their religious rights simultaneously, right beside each other; no implication of superiority or “winning” need be inferred. Win-Win!

  190. @Anonymous

    Bottles and cans weren’t thrown at him, he was collecting bottles and cans. I saw this guy last week at Costco, feeding the recycling machines from two stolen shopping carts. He wouldn’t stop bothering me. I had to give him five bucks on condition that he would go away and bother somebody else.

    The guy is shrewd! If he hadn’t killed all those gooks in Nam, Chief Elder White Horse 80 Proof wouldn’t have become the raging alcoholic who you see before you on CNN, drowning his sorrows.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  191. @Anonymous

    Those things were LOADED with ozone destroying freon in those days! It took a real man.

  192. @Old Prude

    Was she wearing the same beret when she was working those luscious lips on him? If so, no wonder Bill couldn’t resist the Lewinsky magic!

  193. @syonredux

    Barely even noticed (except for this guy – at least I presume a male – who did some good research)

    http://mathscinotes.com/2013/10/world-war-2-industrial-casualties/

    are the 85K+ civilian deaths in industrial accidents directly related to war production. Also, Wiki has a good rundown of other civilian casualty sources (Merchant Mariners, Civil Air Patrol, Internees in Asia and Europe):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#endnote_USCIV

    • Replies: @syonredux
  194. JMcG says:
    @syonredux

    I think they had wanted the tan ones because the SAS wears tan berets and they are SuperBad. Don’t get the two types of rangers confused. Those who have passed Ranger school get to wear a yellow and black tab that says “Ranger” on it. Ranger School is, or was, no joke.
    Then there are those who are in the Ranger battalions. They are basically light infantry units, not SuperBad elite forces. I mean no disparagement at all. I believe anyone in those units, whether combat or administrative wears the Ranger Battalion crest.
    I don’t keep up on this stuff as much as I used to, so I could certainly be mistaken.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    , @syonredux
  195. “Also, my impression is that he hasn’t exactly claimed to have fought in Vietnam, just to have served in “Vietnam times,” which is a reasonable approximation of the legal term “Vietnam Era Veteran,” which goes up to the spring of 1975 and covers anybody who was in the U.S. military anywhere in the world.”

    To refer to one’s service as “Vietnam Era” is to make a clear and dishonest implication that the individual saw combat in the country of Vietnam. This is to provide the person with a degree of immunity from criticism, as well as to invoke the reflexive “honor the troops” bullshit (see below) in order to establish hero status, to go along with the perpetual Amerindian pity party.

    Nobody refers to their military service in terms of wartime era unless they are attempting to inflate the extent of their service. If Philips was an honest person, which he isn’t, he would have just referred to his service alone.

    “…we should still thank him for his service…”

    Enough of this “thanks for your service” bullshit. (Yes I did and it should be me thanking the taxpayer for financing my world wide opportunity to bang exotic women) This phrase is uttered as thoughtlessly as “God bless you” after a sneeze and it’s origins are born out of an attempt to validate the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The US military has become a harbor for welfare seekers, freaks, and careerist psychopaths. It takes our most patriotic young men and sends them off to die for NOTHING, NOTHING serving the interest of the US or towards the protection of its citizenry. Meanwhile, military ads and articles celebrate black women as the backbone of the organization.

    Philips is a lifelong professional agitator and conman. He deserves nothing but contempt.

  196. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, you seem to be convinced Willie Brown can tell a whole bunch of things by NOT looking!

  197. @Anonymous

    “It’s a hoax nation now. The Left runs it. No contest from the cuck opposition. It’s over.”

    Oh look, another anonymous account telling us that it’s over, go ahead and give up.

  198. Anonymous[786] • Disclaimer says:

    @jJay

    “The airplanes were so poorly built that there was a period where there were more lives were lost just test flying and moving them to the war zone than in combat.”

    Cause the domestic WWII effort was directed by a fortune making, sociopathic two-percenters; while a happy-go-lucky Private Mellish had to be sacrificed to save Ryan’s goyishe kopf.

    Or something.

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/09/how-did-american-pay-for-world-war-ii.html

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  199. @Anon

    Btw, why all this outrage over this issue? When was the last time the Progs gave a crap about Indians? If they really cared, they’d admit Immigration led to the demise of the Indians. Immigration of diverse Old World folks led to the ‘genocide’ of the indigenous Red Folks.

    Pretty sure it’s exactly this issue which has led to the collapse of any media\Hollyweird interest in American Indians. American Indians are first off … very American. Tied to this particular place.

    “Indigenous people” was ok as a stick to beat white with for their colonial sins, but you really do not want normies sitting around spending cycles thinking about the rights of “indigenous peoples. Neither here nor when discussing Israel.

    Nope it’s blackety, blackety, black, black, black, racist!, racist!, racist!–when it’s not another holocaust pic.

  200. Edwin says:

    The NYT also has a correction stating that Mr. Phillips “told The Times after publication” that he was not, in fact, a Vietnam veteran.

    The Times’ formulation seems calculated to put Mr. Philips in the best possible light—it insinuates, or at least doesn’t preclude the possibility, that he corrected the record on his own initiative.

    Did he volunteer this information, or did The Times ask him? The latter seems likely, since he’s been incorrectly described as a Vietnam veteran in scores of articles over many years—to the point where people who claim to know him well have referred to him as one—but none prior to this month shows a correction, let alone reports him as having correcting the record.

    My guess: just another way The Times shades everything to put members of their favored groups in the best possible light, even when it’s plainly misleading, if not outright false. Shouldn’t a journalist be offended when they’re lied to, not be carrying the liar’s water?

  201. Big Bill says:
    @The Z Blog

    Have you ever tried to pump down a refrigeration unit while monitoring the gauges, hoses and Freon tank, under enemy fire, watching your fellow refrigeration techs being shot on both sides of you?

    Have you ever tried to replace a bullet-riddled Freon reservoir, fumbling with pipe wrench, trying to wrap Teflon tape around the new pipe fittings with the snick of bullets flying overhead?

    Well, have you? HAVE YOU?

    • LOL: Dan Hayes, Gordo
    • Replies: @Jack D
  202. @syonredux

    The Rangers, though, got it the worst.

    Yep. I worked with some guys who were Rangers and they were pissed beyond belief. Plus the berets were made in China!

  203. @Anonymous

    What benefits do permanently disabled veterans receive?

    It depends. I know one guy declared 30% disabled because of blown knees from jumping out of perfectly good airplanes. Another guy got TB. A sailor went deaf. The payments are for life.

    Many of the Vietnam vets claimed various ailments from Agent Orange. The Gulf War guys bogey man was depleted uranium. I am suspicious that so many suffered so much, but I am not an expert. I think the Department of Veterans Affairs finally just said, screw it, here’s your money.

  204. Neoconned says:
    @Anonymous

    Thing I used to not get was how someone could be say 1/32 Native but 1/16 & you magically aren’t….

  205. @David In TN

    He was in the military, but NOT in Vietnam.

    If the information that Phillips is Stanard is correct, then he was in the Marine Corp Reserve.

    I dunno what that is exactly, but it sounds like he was a Weekend Warrior.

  206. anonomy says:

    I don’t understand the whole “March for Life”, thing, except that it’s mostly Catholics that I understand. Laws for or against abortion shouldn’t deter the Christian from their path one way or the other. Laws don’t make people good Christians. It’s isn’t about what other people do in this life, it’s about what you do. So far we aren’t China and no one is forcing anyone to have an abortion; but then wouldn’t that mother be forgiven? You’re not saviors, stop trying.
    I’m with Phillips, white people should go back to Europe, and take the church too. You’ll never have peace as long as people can say you stole the land and killed the Indians. You’ll never know any peace until you can stop living under the guilt of probably someone else’s long dead relative. Why Europe would rather take the Muslims than their own people is a mystery. Let the Indians have the land.

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @Anon
  207. Anon7 says:
    @Anonymous

    Probably.

    “They want us to be happy Indians for them,” he said. “They don’t want to hear about the struggle.”

    That struggle, as Phillips explains it, involves centuries of religious, economic and cultural oppression of American Indians.

    More personally, he says, it involves his own fight against alcoholism, a childhood floating through foster homes in Nebraska, and an early adulthood spent first in the Marine Corps and later being thrown in and out of jail.

    https://www.omaha.com/news/nation/who-is-nathan-phillips-years-ago-omaha-tribe-member-said/article_6cc049c4-d6d8-5e3c-8ee6-939a203682af.html

  208. tbmcc says:

    Marine F-4 squadron VMFA-212 was sent to Nam from Kaneohe Bay in April 1972, to counter what has been called the spring offensive. I know because I was in VMFA-122 at Kaneohe and we were sent to Iwakuni, Japan.

  209. @Anon

    I watched your 8-min. clip just now, #421. First, let me just say that this guy (the dude on camera) is pretty damn entertaining, and I love his sales pitch at the end (“… for the price of a 6-pack of Blatz Beer …” haha!), though I never got the dude’s name.

    Anyway, let me explain where Nathan is a liar here. Start at 05:42 with “I’m a Vietnam-times veteran…” OK, that’s no lie, as American men were in the war during the 1st year or so of his time in the Marines. However, he continues using this “Vietnam-times” bit to explain that this means “I know that mentality, that ‘there’s enough of us, we can do this’.” I don’t know what/who exactly he means here, but that’s not my point.

    What kind of particular “mentality” does he know about just because he was a refrigerator mechanic and rifleman in Nebraska (when he wasn’t AWOL in southern California) that someone outside of this “Vietnam times” window would not?? If he had been in-country, etc., he indeed could brag about some special mentality that he has or knows about. However, if not, what the hell does he know that another former stateside Marine, whether in 1955, ’65, or any other time would not know? That’s the lie, people. From that 8 minute video, you only need to watch that 15 seconds to see he’s a damn liar.

  210. But I’m a big believer in ethnic stereotypes. Nathan Phillips looks a lot more Indian than many people in the Indian activist business, and real American Indians volunteer for the military at quite a high rate.

    Indeed they do. It would be cool if the US military would have a specifically Indian unit for Indians who want to tap into their racial warrior heritage.

    The Brits\Empire have these named units, like Scots Guards and such (not claiming to know anything about it) although some of them end up with the faggy names that come out of not being a republic, like Canada’s Princess Pats. The Indian regiment could be something like “Indian Scouts” or if “Indian” is wrong “Native Scouts” or something stereotypically cool like “War Eagles”.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    , @Hank Yobo
  211. @b.t.o

    He doesn’t seem well, and to the extent he is mentally ill everyone should probably stop both raking him through the coals and/or reporting his every utterance in the national media.

    I would have tended to agree with you until I saw just now and have no doubt that the guy is a damn liar. I refer you to my comment (which may not have appeared as you read this one), which is a reply to this comment with an 8 minute video. 15 seconds or so of it shows me that that guy is a flat-out liar (not about his military service, but about how he has some special knowledge due to his Vietnam-times service).

    If he’s mentally ill, then why the hell should we take the guy’s word for anything on national TV youtube?

  212. Phillips is like the Curb Your Enthusiasm rabbi whose brother-in-law “died on Sept. 11”

  213. Curle says:
    @Tiny Duck

    “Only a racist wound disagree”

    Only a racist (your situationally elastic definition) would insist on accuracy.

  214. tbmcc says:
    @Anon

    Comment #183 was posted to reply to comment #15.

  215. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    lol…(wink).

    Sorry, inside joke.

  216. Truth says:
    @Anon

    Besides, how can anyone be a genuine Indian without carrying a scalping knife?

    Hey, you’re gonna laugh!

    The funny thing is that “Scalping” actually came from the white man.

    You see, back in the Indian war days, the trading posts used to pay a bounty on dead Indians, however many greenbacks from the corpse of an Indian. Well, the corpses were heavy and ponderous, so they started paying for skulls. And even they weight 20 lbs. each, so they started saying, “OK, just give us the scalp.” It was quite easy to distinguish the hair of unmixed German/English types from “Native Americans back then.

    Good shit, look it up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  217. @Anon

    “The school wants to have a dialogue with Phillips to investigate what really happened.”

    Sounds like a CYA attempt to whitewash their initial throwing of their own students under the bus.

  218. @Hail

    They’re searching in vain for that Great White Defendant!

  219. Hail says: • Website
    @syonredux

    Given that data, someone could do a calculation of estimated recent-war casualties given 1940s medical (etc.) technology.

    – 4,400 U.S. military personnel deaths in Iraq, 2003-2008
    – 2,500 U.S. military personnel deaths in Afghanistan, mainly 2005-2013
    – 1,400 U.S. (mainly-)NATO allies’ military personnel deaths in both combined

    33,000 U.S. military personnel officially wounded in Iraq, 2003-2008
    21,000 U.S. military personnel officially wounded in Afghanistan, peaking 2006-2014

    (Not including losses taken by U.S. quasi-military [mercenary] “contractors.”)

    This info from iCasualties.org, which also lists causes of death. Of U.S. military personnel deaths in Iraq, ~3% have been from aircraft accidents/non-hostile crashes; ~9% for Afghanistan.

    ______________

    How many deaths would this have meant given the technology of 1940-1945?

  220. @Anonymous

    Yep, nothing like that double pension – military plus federal job – at retirement.

  221. Jack D says:
    @Hail

    Of course the “victims” in these cases are just sticks being used to beat whitey, so no one REALLY gives a shit about them. And the reason they keep coming up highly flawed is because Exemplary Minorities are in very short supply, just as short as Evil White Men. When the media takes some random confrontation between a minority and a white person and tries to make it into a Passion Play, chances are it is not going to be a good casting decision. Very rarely is a randomly chosen ghetto black going to turn out to be well suited to play the part of Jesus nor is the white going to make a perfect Great White Defendant. Back in the day, when the NAACP would try to set up civil right confrontations they would carefully select their martyrs to be people of good character but nowadays our media is sloppy and ad hoc and fixates on random incidents rather than creating a careful setup. And these situation are WORSE than random – usually the very reason the minorities involved end up in confrontations with the police, etc. is because they are NOT people of good character. So that the media has to go back to posting their baby pictures to make they look innocent and not thug like.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Hail
  222. Jack D says:
    @Tim

    It’s tough, because you want these guys to succeed, but they usually just drift.

    That’s true in so many situations. Rather than the cartoon racism that is portrayed in the press, most whites really do want minorities to succeed but so often they are their own worst enemies. I think that sometimes the self-defeating behavior is really some kind of defense mechanism – they know that on some level they don’t have what it takes so they do something dumb to get themselves kicked out. I have mentioned before that at my kid’s private schools they tried to bring in (what they identified as) promising minority students from the ghetto on scholarship and very few of them made it all the way to graduation – one by one they got kicked out for doing stereotypically “ghetto” things. Maybe they are just like the scorpion in the fable who can’t help himself but I think that there must have been something deeper going on. These kids were under a lot of stress both at school and back in their neighborhoods – they were too ghetto for prep school but too white for the hood. Whites and Asians, having similar IQs, generally fit in well together in school situations but when you try to mix a high IQ population with a less IQ population it rarely turns out well.

  223. CPK says:

    We needn’t be quite that “fair” to him.

    “Vietnam times” is the sort of awkward, equivocal phrase you use when not technically lying — i.e. lying, but carefully preserving an escape hatch. Nobody just stumbles into that. It requires finding and maintaining a very precise level of subtle ambiguity.

    Even if he’d said he was a “Vietnam veteran”, we might accept that he didn’t mean to imply that he served in-country. He might genuinely not have known that the phrase “Vietnam-era veteran” is commonly used to make that distinction, and he used “Vietnam veteran” in good faith.

    “Vietnam times” is a tell that he wasn’t doing this accidentally.

    By the same logic: He can’t say “I was a recon ranger” because that’s not actually a thing that exists. He can say “I’m what they call a recon ranger”. He’s not technically saying he was one. He’s just saying that somebody somewhere (incorrectly) used that term to describe the job he did.

    (He might have been Marine recon and Ranger-qualified, but if so, he could just say that. Again, the fact that he used his own awkward made-up phrase, which implies it without quite saying it, is a “tell” that he’s deliberately trying to mislead.)

  224. Jack D says:
    @jJay

    The airplanes were so poorly built that there was a period where there were more lives were lost just test flying and moving them to the war zone than in combat.

    Building the massive bomber and fighter fleet that we built in a few short years was an incredible undertaking (one that I doubt that it almost unimaginable today – in the case of the F-35, development started in 1992, first flight was 14 years later and introduction was another decade). The US entered the war with open cockpit biplanes and ended it with pressurized multi-engine bombers and jets. And we were turning these aircraft out by the tens of thousands. And not only did we have to quickly develop and build these things but we had to quickly train thousands of men who had never so much as set foot in an airplane before to fly them. And flying these crude but powerful monsters was no small feat, even if you weren’t being shot at. There were a million ways that you could screw up and kill yourself and your crew, especially since there was pressure to fly in bad weather, etc. Or the aircraft could catch on fire or suffer some mechanical failure even if you did everything right. Winning the war was the priority, safety was a lesser consideration. It was just accepted that a lot of people were going to die along the way.

  225. J1234 says:

    Nathan Phillips didn’t fight in Vietnam

    I empathize with Nathan Phillips on this point. Once some folks put together a biographical blurb about me and read it in front of an audience. They said I was an engineer when I wasn’t. I had worked at an engineering office for several years. I don’t hold engineers in particularly high or low regard, I just didn’t want to be misidentified as one.

    The truth and the accuracy of words are something I strive for. I may fail to achieve that all the time, but I try. Someone corrected me the other day that the guys taunting the Catholic kids weren’t black Muslims, but members of that strange black Hebrew group. One of the first sources I saw did identify them as black Muslims, but others didn’t. Even if it’s a group of people I don’t like (like black Muslims) I hate falsely accusing them.

    The media seems to have a policy – the story is as big as a hot air balloon, the retraction is the size of a ping pong ball. At least the WaPo had a retraction in this case. I’ve seen some instances of them and others just changing the online story or (more often) the headline and leaving it at that.

    • Replies: @Anon
  226. Jack D says:
    @donut

    About 30% of the 700,000 men and women who served in U.S. forces during the Gulf War still suffer an array of serious symptoms whose causes are not fully understood.

    Could the cause possibly involve a desire to receive a disability pension?

  227. Hunsdon says:
    @AnotherDad

    Sadly, I believe many of these historic regiments have lost their identity through the process known as amalgamation.

  228. Anonymous[749] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    You see, back in the Indian war days, the trading posts used to pay a bounty on dead Indians, however many greenbacks from the corpse of an Indian. Well, the corpses were heavy and ponderous, so they started paying for skulls. And even they weight 20 lbs. each, so they started saying, “OK, just give us the scalp.” It was quite easy to distinguish the hair of unmixed German/English types from “Native Americans back then.

    Fact check: FALSE

  229. @Anonymous

    My first impression too.

    By the way, where is this guy from and what tribe does he belong to?

    • Replies: @Hail
  230. Jack D says:
    @Captain Tripps

    These were all mistakes but from Pearl Harbor to VE Day was 3 1/2 years. Nowadays in 3 1/2 years they’d still be working on the designs and fighting off the environmental lawsuits so they could break ground on the factory. We were wasteful with lives but our wastefulness was nothing compared to that of the other combatants who lost millions.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    , @sayless
  231. @Anonymous

    We can go on and on with such examples…like Trayvon Martin , the 17 year-old “honor student” who viciously attacked the middle aged father. The media narrative stated he was just a boy , posing no danger to anyone, victimized by the white hispanic fascist.

  232. Jack D says:
    @Big Bill

    Any sacrifice is worth it to keep the ice cold Coke flowing to our boys in uniform. Limeys drink warm beer and gooks drink pond water but our boys deserve a cool refreshing Coke.

  233. @wren

    “The 29th Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Alfred M. Gray Jr., once stated, “Every Marine is, first and foremost, a rifleman. All other conditions are secondary.”

  234. @JMcG

    Those who have passed Ranger school get to wear a yellow and black tab that says “Ranger” on it. Ranger School is, or was, no joke.

    Right. Very tough training. Many graduate, but are not assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment (consisting of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Ranger Battalions). They are mostly infantry officers, NCOs and Enlisted Soldiers, with some from the direct support combat arms/support branches (those who will be assigned to the Regiment/Battalions). The rest of the Ranger qualified infantry are dispersed into the conventional force (but have the plus of completing that training and dispersing the lessons into the general infantry force), with the option of getting an assignment into the Regiment at some point in their career if desired. I think regular iSteve commenter Twinkie is Ranger qualified, if I’m not mistaken.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command

    The 75th is listed as a subordinate unit of the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, and U.S. Special Operations Command (the 4-Star Joint Command), so that means they are considered a “Special Operations” unit for employment. Rangers are light airborne infantry who traditionally are employed as shock assault troops to seize and hold key terrain (airfields/airports, bridges, etc.) needed by larger conventional forces moving in to the area of combat operations; the small unit depicted in “Saving Private Ryan”, for instance, was a detachment of the 2nd Ranger Battalion at Omaha Beach. Additionally, they’ve been employed in a wide variety of special operations tasks. Of note is the 6th Ranger Battalion’s 30 miles-behind-enemy-lines US POW Camp liberation raid in the Philippines – good movie about this mission starring Benjamin Bratt and James Franco. Start reading here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Ranger_Regiment_(United_States)#History

    • Replies: @JMcG
  235. @Jack D

    Maybe they are just like the scorpion in the fable who can’t help himself but I think that there must have been something deeper going on. These kids were under a lot of stress both at school and back in their neighborhoods – they were too ghetto for prep school but too white for the hood.

    It may not be environmental. They may simply not have been cut out for the school. Movies tend to harp on talented individuals who are temperamental, but brilliant. In reality, these kids may not have met the cognitive standards, but blamed their failures on racism, because of the black tendency towards megalomania. It’s likely a much bigger problem today, because blacks are overall getting more mulligans, from an admissions standpoint.

  236. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If the First Amendment is a picnic, the Nathan Phillipses are jumbo-size red fire ants.

    (Pun on ‘red’ not originally intended but will stand by it.)

  237. @Jack D

    Regardless of genetics, I think those formative years (before age 7 or so) are deeply influential in modeling later behavior. Maybe if they were adopted and raised by white families things would be different.

  238. Hail says: • Website
    @Captain Tripps

    what’s up with the name “Nathan Phillips” anyway? […] He should go with his given tribal name

    Proposed re-Indianized replacement name for Nathan Phillips [#11]:

    Smirking Faces

    Scipio Africanus got his name for fighting Africans.

    Nathan Phillips can become “Smirking Faces” for fighting smirking faces.

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  239. syonredux says:
    @ChrisZ

    I’ve seen it. As I recall, it’s pretty good:

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  240. @Jack D

    Absolutely. With security (two vast oceans between us and the Axis powers, so no real threat to the home front), the fourth largest Allied population (after China, India and the USSR), ample indigenous resource base, and latent industrial capacity to put the resources and manpower to wartime use, we did pretty good, all things considered; as you note, we needed to get men and machines into the fight, and quickly. The Soviets really took a beating, losing up to 11.4M out of 189M, 6% of their population. The Chinese lost many (up to 3.75M), but was overwhelmingly the largest country with a population of 517M.

  241. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Exemplary Minorities are in very short supply

    I wonder how history may have been different if social media existed in the 1950s and a fuller picture of Emmet Till (b. July 1941, d. August 1955)’s life was readily available.

    • Replies: @Rapparee
  242. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    nowadays our media is sloppy and ad hoc and fixates on random incidents rather than creating a careful setup

    Which raises the question of to what extent the tail is wagging the dog.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack D
  243. Anonymous[749] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    Which raises the question of to what extent the tail is wagging the dog.

    I’m familiar with the expression, but what are you referring up here?

  244. syonredux says:
    @ChrisZ

    Robert Aldrich’s Ulzana’s Raid (1972) is also pretty good:

    I also rather liked Walter Hill’s Geronimo: An American Legend (1993)

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    , @David In TN
  245. syonredux says:
    @JMcG

    I think they had wanted the tan ones because the SAS wears tan berets and they are SuperBad.

    Dunno. All the Rangers that I know tell me that they were pretty angry about the change….

    Those who have passed Ranger school get to wear a yellow and black tab that says “Ranger” on it. Ranger School is, or was, no joke.

    Yeah. I’ve got an uncle and a brother who went through Ranger School.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Jim Don Bob
  246. syonredux says:
    @Captain Tripps

    The U-boat war was particularly unforgiving to merchant mariners. The Merchant Marine suffered a higher casualty rate than any branch of the military, losing 9,300 men, with most of the losses occurring in 1942, when most merchant ships sailed U.S. waters with little or no protection from the U.S. Navy. In March 1942 alone, 27 ships from six Allied nations were sunk off U.S. shores. Statistically, America’s coastal waters were the most dangerous, the scene of half the world’s sinkings. The experience of being torpedoed was so common that the president of the Boston Seaman’s Club founded a “40-Fathom Club” for those who had survived it. “I hope the membership won’t become too large,” he added, but it grew larger every day as rescue ships brought oil-soaked survivors to the docks at Halifax, Boston, New York, Norfolk, Morehead City, Miami, and Havana. Many of the mariners who survived torpedo attacks went right back to sea, often sailing through the same perilous waters, only to torpedoed again. One mariner was torpedoed ten times.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/merchant-marine-were-unsung-heroes-world-war-ii-180959253/

    Running the Gauntlet: The Murmansk Run & WWII’s Arctic Convoys

    The voyages across the North Atlantic and from Iceland to the Russian ports of Murmansk, Archangel, and Kola Inlet involved more hazards than in any other kind of naval duty. Severe weather was commonplace. Ice fields could be encountered at any time of year. Floating mines were a constant menace. German submarines, surface craft, and warplanes could strike at will from nearby bases in German-occupied Norway. And, prior to the spring of 1943, when an effective Allied antisubmarine offensive got underway, ships and men making the so-called “Murmansk Run” had about one chance in three of returning.

    This was no glamorous sea campaign, with full-sail, tall-masted men-of-war firing broadside after broadside into their enemy’s rigging. It was a cold, dirty, dangerous business in which seamen might be blown into a flaming sea of burning oil and left to die of wounds, burns, or hypothermia.

    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/running-the-gauntlet-the-murmansk-run-wwiis-arctic-convoys/

  247. @Hypnotoad666

    According to NR, Phillips did claim to have served in Vietnam at one point, without any clarification-terms about era. There is a recording of him saying it.
    So he’s not totally worthy of being known as “Stolen Valor Phillips,” but he hasn’t been entirely accurate either.

  248. Anonymous[786] • Disclaimer says:

    Supreme Question:

    How many of Sailer’s readers got affected at all by this gubermen shutdown?

    Exactly.

    Let them dance with wolfes :

    https://lastrealindians.com/tribal-organizations-call-for-an-end-to-the-trump-shutdown/

  249. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    If Nathan Philips returned from Vietnam and was spat on and called ‘baby killer’, wasn’t he a victim of the Anti-War Left?

    I’m getting so confused now.

  250. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    The funny thing is that “Scalping” actually came from the white man.

    Yeah, but just like Japanese made better radios, Indians turned scalping into an artform.

    Whites scalped for money. Indians scalped for trophies.

  251. Anonymous[786] • Disclaimer says:

    And today , Covington Catholic Center For Smirking & Huwhite Supremacy got visited by this Buffalo Kid You Not :

    Personally, I am mostly triggered by the cultural appropriation of that pair of sunglasses, and non-disclosed ammounts of white devil’s fast food which Carolina devoured during her thirthy something years of roaming through the prairies.

    Carolina Castoreno is an enrolled member of Lipan Apache Tribe of Texas, and also Mescalero Apache and Yaqui. Carolina is also a memeber of tribe Sun Otter Clan :

    Problem in Fringes’ Paradise:

    https://lastrealindians.com/put-down-the-peace-pipe-and-step-out-of-the-costumes-by-carolina-castoreno/

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    , @Anon
  252. anonomy says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I wonder if they buy things made in China? So the smirk was an intentional go fuck yourself I’m better than you?

  253. Rapparee says:
    @Anon

    A non-negligible percentage of Catholic clergy and educrats- in some countries and age cohorts a firm majority, and even more so at high-ranking levels- are frankly embarrassed and annoyed by actual Catholic doctrine and dogmas, which they privately disbelieve but cannot publicly deny. They just want to enjoy their well-paid sinecures without getting dragged into controversies that alienate their rich liberal friends. As Redneck Farmer wrote, school officials probably weren’t thrilled about students going to a pro-life march in the first place.

    The general corruption level of the Church’s institutional stewards is probably the worst it’s been since the Renaissance, though the mid-to-late 18th century might deserve (dis)honorable mention.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  254. Jack D says:
    @Hail

    Isn’t a careful setup (like the pre-vetted Rosa Parks being selected as the one who will refuse to move to the back of the bus) more of a wag the dog scenario than just picking up on some random incident which is then going to blow up in your face once the fact become known and the Vietnam Vet is not really a Vietnam Vet and the Gentle Giant is not so Gentle but has just held up the Quickie Mart and the boy who goes out for juice and Skittles in a rainstorm really wants them to make Purple Drank, etc.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  255. Rapparee says:
    @Hail

    Till was only 14; that’s a pretty young age to have gotten into any serious high-level mischief. Realistically, he was perhaps unlikely to grow up into a model citizen, and possibly would have met a bad end in any case, but I seriously doubt he had any skeletons in his closet that would shock people today. And Milam and Bryant weren’t exactly sympathetic defendants.

    • Replies: @Hail
  256. CJ says:
    @Captain Tripps

    The drummer should do his next gig here:

    Nathan Phillips Square

  257. JMcG says:
    @syonredux

    I’m sure you are correct. Your sources are more recent than mine. All the best to you.

  258. @syonredux

    A guy I worked with said that after Ranger school, he didn’t worry about anything for the next decade. Some of the most unassuming guys I have met turned out to be Rangers. They know what’s worth getting spun up about.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  259. Hank Yobo says:
    @AnotherDad

    The Brits\Empire have these named units, like Scots Guards and such (not claiming to know anything about it) although some of them end up with the faggy names that come out of not being a republic, like Canada’s Princess Pats

    PPCLI, a short history for your edification. Note that the unit’s 2d Battalion won a US unit citation award thingy for bravery after slaughtering several hundred Chinese soldiers @ Hill 667 during the Korean War. Faggy indeed.

    https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/princess-patricias-canadian-light-infantry

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  260. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    FFS, if you guys can’t even succeed in purging the craven ilk on your end who went kowtowing to the narrative, how do you ever hope to survive what’s coming, talk less of winning?

    The craven ilk HAVE been purged from the minds and hearts of most of the people who read this blog.

    The problem is we cannot purge the craven ilk in the tangible manner they deserve–yet.

    But given the chance, we will.

  261. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jack D

    You’re right but in this case there is no differrence. The lyingpress is lying. They’d have an easier time lying if they thought this one through more, but you deceive the American people with the lies that you have.

  262. ChrisZ says:
    @syonredux

    Syon, that compilation reminded me why the film left such a deep impression on me, and why I’ve instinctively refrained from watching it in 20-odd years.

    But I need to fortify myself and sit through it again. I recall at the time referring to “Black Robe” as the antidote to the visually beautiful animated film “Pocahontas.”

  263. ChrisZ says:
    @syonredux

    Wow—two great clips! Thanks Syon, is never have found these otherwise.

    Maybe Steve could start a thread suggesting some iStevey films, and then solicit recommendations from the commenters (one each to keep it simple), with an eye towards a DIY iSteve film festival?

    That’s in lieu of the iSteve secret meet-up that has to happen one day. (Or has it already happened?)

  264. @telenon

    tele, I watched part of the interview with the young man. He has unattractive front teeth. Lots of people, myself included, give more of a grin than a full “Welcome to my life” smile.

  265. @PiltdownMan

    Don’t get cocky. It’s mostly genetic!

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  266. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Citi, I don’t know how old you are but my dad “served” in WWII. He told me that he never saw combat, but his service ribbons, behind me on the bookshelf, have two battle stars. His ship was at Okinawa and later in Tokyo Bay. His ship was part of the fleet that was smashed by the huge typhon of 194? Ships sank, sailors drowned. If you served your country in the military I respect you and salute you. Nothing personal my friend, just MY opinion.

  267. @anon

    anon, The Indians, post Little Big Horn, called themselves Custer Vets.

  268. @Tiny Duck

    TD, Quick question. Do you get a Purple Heart for a “racist wound.”

  269. It amazes me that the same people who used to deride Vietnam veterans now venerate them if they are leftist enough.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  270. @ChrisZ

    Chris, I recall the scene where the Indian cuts the missionary’s finger off with a sea shell….”That was a caress, tomorrow we hurt you” Paraphrased from memory.

  271. @Detective Club

    DC, After the Catholic boys threw the bottles at him they took turns raping him on the broken glass. Only his magic drum kept him from getting cut.

  272. istevefan says:
    @Pattern Recognition

    Keep in mind they started to issue them 20 years ago. They say when they run out of pre-printed certificates the program will end. So hopefully they still have some for you.

  273. Steve, 253 comments, some outstanding, but tomorrow please start a thread about last weekends football games and the upcoming Super Bowl.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  274. sayless says:
    @Jack D

    “We were wasteful with lives but our wastefulness was nothing compared”

    Think you could rephrase that?

  275. Rod Dreher is channelling his inner Lindsey Graham. He’s now confirmed that Nathan Phillips and an Ecuadorian witch tried to disrupt Mass on the evening of January 19. The peaceful Indian not only confronted the Covington Catholic boys but also tried to disrupt Mass with that bloody drum.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/nathan-phillips-tried-to-disrupt-catholic-mass/

  276. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @jJay

    The B-17 was kind to its crews. It was built like a tank and regularly came home after taking damage that would have destroyed any other aircraft, especially the B-24.

    The B-24 in fact was a death trap. It had long thin wings that were prone to snapping if they took the slightest damage, and getting out of a plane with one wing was usually impossible due to the high G-forces. Guys would just be pinned to the walls until they hit the ground.

  277. Eagle Eye says:
    @Anon

    Nathan Philips was given talking points, and trained to regurgitate them, by a Left-wing activist woman in her late thirties, almost certainly single, from one of the billionaire-sponsored “Left”- totalitarian outfits.

    Obviously, the “baby killers” line had to be in there with “Vietnam vet.” The woman propagandist remembers taking several classes as a poli-sci undergraduate analyzing successful Leftist propaganda from the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  278. Hail says: • Website
    @Prester John

    what tribe does he belong to

    The Omaha tribe of Nebraska.

    Some tribe members have, since the controversy, come out and said Phillips has long been an embarrassment, and someone with a troubled past. A tribal leader came out and said formally that the tribe disapproves of Phillips’ kind of activism.

    From what I can tell, Phillips is of recent reservation ancestry but hasn’t much lived on the reservation in his life. He was sent around to various foster homes in Nebraska growing up and if his entry date of 1972 is right, was in the Marines at 17; presumably he later got his GED. After getting out of the Marines in 1976, he committed petty crimes often and served several jail terms. There was alcoholism and no stable employment. The most stable time in his life must have been the Marines.

    Apparently he ended up drifting into Washington, D.C. in 1994 and decided to stay after his car broke down (this according to a press interview he gave in 2000). Rents were very cheap in those days, the Murder Capital years. At some point later he drifted to Michigan and who knows where else.

  279. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    A guy I worked with said that after Ranger school, he didn’t worry about anything for the next decade.

    Why didn’t he?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  280. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Nathan Philips was given talking points, and trained to regurgitate them, by a Left-wing activist woman in her late thirties, almost certainly single, from one of the billionaire-sponsored “Left”- totalitarian outfit

    Do you have a name?

  281. Hail says: • Website
    @Rapparee

    What I had in mind was Till’s purported sexual pursuit of White girls in town, allegations he’d “had” some (iirc, confirmed in old age by one White then-girl involved). The possibility that some of it was not ‘consensual’ hangs in the air.

    This part of Till’s life does not jibe with the media/history-book line, namely that of a haloed, model student who innocently complimented the wrong White girl at the wrong time (while on his way to help orphans with their homework, most likely).

    In any traditional society, if someone is pursuing your 14-year-old extended female kin for sex, and getting it, that’s a serious offense that could lead to retribution even if all parties are of the same race. It’s especially outrageous to the traditional-society man if the male doing so is an aggressive outsider, as in a proto-thug from a place like Chicago.

    (Till’s father, recall, was executed by the U.S. Army for at least two rapes of separate Italian women a murder of one of them. Distance of apple from tree?)

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rapparee
  282. anon1 says:
    @RVBlake

    Look at the questions asked,

    “Do you see your own fault in any way”?

    This statement carries the implication that he did something wrong and was at fault and that the only issue is that he “doesn’t see” it. But in fact he did nothing wrong at all. The Indian was wrong.

    • Replies: @Paulbe
    , @Marat
  283. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    Nathan Phillips didn’t fight in Vietnam

    I empathize with Nathan Phillips on this point. Once some folks put together a biographical blurb about me and read it in front of an audience. They said I was an engineer when I wasn’t. I had worked at an engineering office for several years. I don’t hold engineers in particularly high or low regard, I just didn’t want to be misidentified as one.

    I don’t think that the situation is the same. I think Phillips wanted the misaprehension to be made. Alternately, it’s possible that in his own mind things were getting a little muddled.

    There was no reason to use the word “Vietnam” at all: Just say, “I’m a veteran.” Want to pin it down in time? State your years of service. But, you know, everyone knows about how old you are, and everyone knows that miliary service is for guys in their early 20s, so there is no need to timestamp it.

    Given that he was a refrigerator repairman in El Toro during his service, there is no relation to Vietnam that needs to be stated. “Hey, I’m really interested in refrigerators: Did you work on Vietnam-era refrigerators, or were there still some Korean War-era refrigerators in service at that time? Or were some of those post-Vietnam era experimental refrigerators from Lockheed Skunkworks starting to filter out into the field during your stint?”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @J1234
  284. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The plan was probably entrapment by the same ATF FBI AdL scum who went after the Weaver family.

    Off topic. I had a look st the Los Angeles Times today. The entertainment section is just euphoric about all the non White actors and movies nominated for the Oscars and other borrrrrring award shows.

  285. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    There was no reason to use the word “Vietnam” at all: Just say, “I’m a veteran.”

    There’s no reason to use the word “veteran”.

  286. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonomy

    Why don’t you give your property other assets and job to whoever lived in your country before your ancestors conquered them?

  287. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Yeah, Good points. Reckon that most people now join the military Not out of altruism, but out of desire for subsidized college tuition or simply because they don’t have other job options. I give more regard to Special Forces, at least those with fealty to the US Constitution. Probably fewer every year now.
    Between this video & the Molyneux tweet, am getting some closure on this part of the story. Phillips probably convinced himself that his Lies were in the service of a higher cause…all the brainwashing about Whites & their tyranny, etc. He came from a metaphorical Battlefield of Broken Refrigerators and was able to ascend Thermostat Hill with his Full Insulation Jacket

    • Replies: @bjondo
  288. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The Browns separated when Harris was about 12 years old and living in Canada.

  289. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    One similarity between Emmett Till and the Nathan Phillips case is that both involved outrage that was fanned by deceptive visual media.

    In the case of Phillips, it was edited video.

    In the case of Till it was the grotesque photos of the open coffin to show “what they did to my baby.” I’m sure that Till didn’t look fresh as a daisy after the beating and shooting, but the body in the casket had been tied to a weight with barbed wire and thrown in a river, where for days it bloated to the point that it floated up and was found, at which point an autopsy was performed and the head skin crudely sutured back on, culminating in a refrigeration-light train ride to Chicago.

    Maybe 1 percent of the grotesqueness was due to the beating; if you took Black Panther actor Kevin Feige to euthenasia-friendly Netherlands and killed him with a drug cocktail … and then wrapped him in barbed wire, threw him in a river for a few days, cut up his head and skull, sewed it back together, pumped him full of chemicals, and took him on a 1,000-mile warm train ride, he’d look as bad as Emmett Till.

  290. @Anonymous

    “Cause the domestic WWII effort was directed by a fortune making, sociopathic two-percenters; while a happy-go-lucky Private Mellish had to be sacrificed to save Ryan’s goyishe kopf.”

    Tangentially, this makes me wonder what the jewish wartime fatality rate was versus their percentage of the population. It’d be interesting to know what the black rate was, too.

    I was talking once to an elderly black gentleman who served in the Pacific, and he said flat out that he believed he’d have been killed had he been in a front line combat unit.

  291. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:

    Newly surfaced video has him saying he was in theater and honorably discharged, although there are some contradicitons and incoherency

    “I’m a Vietnam Vet. I served in Marine Corps 72 to 76. I got discharged May 5, 1976. I got honorable discharge and one of the boxes shows peacetime or, what my box says is that I was **in theater**. I don’t talk much about my Vietnam times.”

    —-Nathan Phillips, 1/3/18

    Native Youth Alliance- Indigenous Report

    Posted by Native Youth Alliance on Wednesday, January 3, 2018

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  292. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Because of the internet, the leaders of the left have lost control of their supposed followers. In the old days the leadership could pick its causes and battles. Now there are constant internet-generated controversies that bubble up at random in uncontrolled and unpredictable ways. These ‘leaders’ now have to perpetually chase after their ‘followers’, trying to keep up with all the latest popular outrages and indignations, or risk losing relevance.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  293. anon[615] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    These type of people are used for these scams because they’re compromised.
    If they decide to deviate from the script, it’s easy to throw them under the bus to shut them up.
    Likely to have been a police informer, another occupation for compromised people.

  294. @Anon

    He looks very weather-beaten for a 63 year old.

    • Replies: @Anon
  295. Paulbe says:

    Compare and contrast with that vulgar, slightly creepy Hogg thing they threw at us last year.

  296. Paulbe says:
    @anon1

    This is the Journifa trying to squeeze some self justification out of this very public failed fake-news bid

  297. Discard says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Destroyer escorts were too slow to keep up with the big carriers, and were never expected to do so. They were designed from scratch as anti-sub ships, fast enough to pace a surfaced submarine, and were not re-purposed transports. (What transport could do 22 knots?)
    Dad was a destroyerman, and I read his books.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  298. JMcG says:
    @Rapparee

    You are 100% correct. It’s been so long since I’ve heard a word of doctrine from anyone associated with the Church. I’m not a bit surprised that Catholics these days have, for the most part, no idea what their faith entails.

  299. JMcG says:
    @Captain Tripps

    Thank you! Hey, I think we need a thank you button option Mr. Unz.

  300. Marat says:
    @anon1

    Completely agree. Slick setup implying the hats, the boys cheering, and the smile were in some way problematic. Alternative answer: “No, we did nothing wrong. Except exist. And my advice for Mr. Phillips is, next time don’t bang your drum inches from my face. Respect others’ interpersonal space.”

    The ending of that interview was maddening. Savannah, Hoda and another guy were in a hurry to wrap it up and completely ignored the media’s role (99.9%) in this. Then the worst part is she gushed over a photo of one of the out of town professional agitators hugging a local person, saying it was hopeful that some “common ground” could be found in Kentucky. The “conciliation prayer” offered by some professional victim agitator from California was pure agitprop and he deserved treatment as the public nuisance he was.

    Savannah completely avoided reporting that the agitators weren’t satisfied with Saturday’s outcome in DC, so they stalked these boys back to their hometowns to punish their families, friends, school, and entire community with guilt-tripping meanless bellyaching. “Submit, Submit”.

    Trump should have announced he was sending the FBI down to Kentucky to ensure everyone’s civil rights were protected. (On MLK day, no matter) Every time the Left stalks people and announces they are doing terrorizing home delivery service, the FBI should be called in.

    Next order of business would have been to accept the scalp these kids offered the GE. They won it on the ground in the cultural war battle for the GE and MAGA. Wave that scalp high on a staff while enjoying barbecue and southern dishes while feasting in the White House with the junior warriors. (Whatever best mocks the Gillette ad narrative.)

    It’s ungracious for the lion to not accept hard spoils won for him by junior cubs.

  301. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @South Texas Guy

    I was talking once to an elderly black gentleman who served in the Pacific, and he said flat out that he believed he’d have been killed had he been in a front line combat unit.

    What was his reasoning?

    • Replies: @David In TN
  302. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

  303. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

  304. Rapparee says:
    @Hail

    Till probably deserved a lesson in manners from his uncle’s belt. Americans in the 1950s were outraged not because they believed the kid a flawless plaster saint, but because the “punishment” meted out was grossly disproportionate to any offense that may have been committed. Likely enough he would have eventually ended up dead or in prison anyway, but at fourteen a kid ought to get the benefit of the doubt.

    You’re right that poorly-informed 21st-century NYT readers have ludicrously retconned the him into a future Nobel-winning humanitarian overdue for canonization.

  305. @Anonymous

    That’s quite a smirk she’s sporting..

  306. @South Texas Guy

    The black rate is much lower than whites because (through no fault of their own) they were mostly kept out of combat roles.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @David In TN
  307. @jJay

    Laura Hildebrand describes the aviation technology in gruesome detail. The airplanes were so poorly built that there was a period where there were more lives were lost just test flying and moving them to the war zone than in combat.

    Disagree. In aircraft, the US did pretty well. Sure, development and production were rushed, and some particular planes had their particular issues, but overall a good job.

    The issue–that people forget today–is that flying is inherently dangerous. People don’t perceive that now, because of the incredible engineering and training that has gone into making air transport safe and routine even in bad weather. But even post-War with quality, non-rushed aircraft, crashes were routine. (When I was a kid, American pilots flew a new perfectly functioning 727 into the Ohio river bluff below the Cincinnati airport. Not–I believe–an early attempt to take out Covington Catholic’s MAGA-hatted fascists, just pilot inattention/confusion.) During the war, you had massive numbers of brand new pilots with all the vicissitudes of flying–plus people shooting at you. But the aircraft often did well. Early on we lost B-17 aircrews over Europe like crazy. But the planes actually handled battle damage surprisingly well, a number of planes managed to fly back with incredible damage.

    Two really appalling US weapons failures i know about:

    — Sticking with the M4 (Sherman) and not rolling out the M26 (Pershing). It was caused by McNair’s ideological–war fighting doctrine–opposition, plus Patton’s “i’ll win because i’m Patton” pomposity. Everyone else–the Germans, Russians, British–were rushing forward in the tank arms race while the US had it’s thumb up its ass. The result, when we actually confronted the Germans–with Panthers–in France, was a debacle costing thousands of US tankers. Only because we had complete air superiority, were grinding down their production from the air and their personel was depleted form years of war, did we prevail. (When as the debacle unfolded, the M26 was finally pushed forward and when it arrived it was very effective competitive with the Panther.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M26_Pershing

    — The Mark14 torpedo–more specifically the detonator. We went into the war with a torpedo that ran deep and didn’t actually fulfill the core torpedo mission of actually … exploding! The scale of this debacle is un-appreciated. It took submarine skipper after skipper coming back and relaying the same story of torpedos going under ships or hitting with a distinct “thud” and not exploding for the Navy ordinance guys to get moving and fix it. A big part of the blame here though goes to Roosevelt/Democrats. Despite all the depression “pump priming” and his lust to get the US into the war, Roosevelt/Congress hadn’t actually funded the Navy’s R+D adequately to even do stuff like adequately test their torpedos.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_14_torpedo#Controversy

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @syonredux
  308. bjondo says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    coming from stefan molyfaux,
    ignore.
    find someone reputable.

  309. syonredux says:
    @AnotherDad

    The issue–that people forget today–is that flying is inherently dangerous.

    There’s an anecdote about Jimmy Stewart and some guy (reporter?Dunno) that I’ve always liked. It’s post-’45, and Stewart and the guy are on a plane that’s coping with rough weather. Guy looks at Stewart and sees that he looks nervous and worried, which makes the guy feel pretty good about himself, as he feels calm and collected. Plane lands and the guy gently pokes a little fun at Stewart, saying how surprised he was to a see an experienced pilot and combat veteran like Jimmy Stewart look so scared. Stewart turns on the guy and tells him that the reason why he was scared is because he’s an experienced pilot. He knew how close to death they really were….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  310. @Hank Yobo

    Note that the unit’s 2d Battalion won a US unit citation award thingy for bravery after slaughtering several hundred Chinese soldiers @ Hill 667 during the Korean War. Faggy indeed.

    You are making my point. I’m aware of the Princess Pats reputation for bravery in battle. I said “faggy name“. That’s the point. Brave Canadian fighters stuck with a girly–I shouldn’t really say faggy, i suspect Princess Patricia had healthy heterosexual impulses–name, from someone whose achievement is being the granddaughter of someone very distantly related to someone who centuries ago fought there way onto the throne of some country across the sea.

    If i’m Canadian, i want to be fighting as a Canadian, my unit named for people/things Canadian. If they were say “Canadian Scouts” or “Canadian Rangers” or “Western Scouts” or “Alberta Asskickers” or simply “Canadian Light” or even “Beaver Cleavers” all would be cooler.

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
  311. JMcG says:
    @Anonymous

    Same with the right. Those clowns at National Review are like Kevin Bacons character at the end of Animal House, trying to get the parade to behave. Ten years ago I’d have been nodding along with them.

  312. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    He knew how close to death they really were….

    I wonder what exactly Stewart was perceiving. Aren’t planes designed to cope with rough weather?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Anonymous
  313. @Discard

    Right; I meant the smaller escort carriers; thanks for clarifying!

  314. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    He knew how close to death they really were….

    I wonder what exactly Stewart was perceiving. Aren’t planes designed to cope with rough weather?

    Lots of stuff can go wrong with a plane, especially back in the ’40s….

  315. Hank Yobo says:
    @AnotherDad

    Let’s leave it for the Canadians to decide. Following British army precedent, their regiments could be associated with a royal/aristocratic person who tended to the welfare of regimental personnel. You wouldn’t have minded being in the Princess of Wales Own Regiment when Diana Spencer was its titular patron, would you? Their nickname like the “Princess Pats” would have been the “Princess Di’s,” not a great name for recruitment but her glamor could have made up for it. This whole Ranger/Scout thing is a bit of a joke anyway since there are not many Supermen in combat. However, it may appeal to the individual American’s need for validation in wartime. Ever watch some of these generals on TV? You can barely see their uniform for all the ribbons and awards they sport on their tunic. You would almost believe that they had been serving since the siege of Troy.

  316. @Anonymous

    I guess the Ranger training was so grueling that regular life seemed real easy afterwards. Like I said, most of the (ex)military guys I worked with were used to large doses of BS and didn’t get too excited too easily. That said, they were ready to put the uniform back on about 11am September 11, 2001.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  317. @Buffalo Joe

    Steve, 253 comments, some outstanding, but tomorrow please start a thread about last weekends football games and the upcoming Super Bowl.

    Ok. Patriots front four keep Donald and Suh off Brady. Patriots run the ball down their throats to tire out the defense, the defense harasses and confuses Gof who throws a couple of picks, then Brady and his receivers run up the score. Patriots win 35 -17.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  318. @Jim Don Bob

    Jim Don, I think you are right, that and the fact the DBs refuse to take Edelman seriously. He could be the MVP. Gronk and Devlin bulldozing the LBs and DEs helps too.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  319. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    The black rate is much lower than whites because (through no fault of their own) they were mostly kept out of combat roles.

    Why were they kept out of combat roles? Wouldn’t the BAD White people have wanted to risk the blacks’ lives sooner than their own?

  320. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Thank you.

  321. @Buffalo Joe

    the DBs refuse to take Edelman seriously. He could be the MVP. Gronk and Devlin bulldozing the LBs and DEs helps too.

    Edelman is a complete stud, and smart too. He knew he was gonna muff that punt so he kept his hands away from it.

    Some said Gronk didn’t do much, but, like you said, he was up there blocking for Michelle along with Devlin and #77 Brown who is even bigger than Gronk. I probably could have run through some of those goal line holes.

    Belichek likes smart players who can be coached up to do multiple things, rather than the superstars who are often one-dimensional or divas or both.

    The only thing that worries me is that the Patriots sometimes start slowly. That’s why I think they have to establish the run early on like they did against the Chargers and the Chiefs, both of whom are good teams.

  322. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Those women are the legacy of Indian “fry bread.” When the tribes were forced onto reservations they were given flour, salt, and lard, and voila!, fry bread. Fry bread is a Frisbee-sized pizza crust-like food, but deep fried … and topped with butter, chocolate or chili. It’s easy to make one of these things that has an entire day’s worth of calories in it, but it’s eaten as a between meal snack, washed down with a Coke.

  323. @syonredux

    I saw Ulzana’s Raid in a theater in 1972. I noted that it gave a much less prettified and sentimental picture of the Indians than was (already) current in popular culture.

  324. @Simply Simon

    The blogger Countenance, who sometimes posts here, remarked that those who tell Southerners to “Get over it,” regarding the Civil War, fetishize the American Indian.

  325. @Anonymous

    “What was his reasoning?”

    In WW II, if you were behind the front line, as this elderly black gentleman was, you were very unlikely to be killed.

  326. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Phillips looks homeless sickly and malnourished

  327. @William Badwhite

    After WW II, there was whining and complaining about blacks not being in combat units. In Vietnam, blacks were in combat roles equal to their percentage of the population.

    The result? Blacks whined and complained about blacks getting killed. In WWII they complained about not being in combat. During Vietnam they complained about BEING in combat.

    Either way, it’s Complain, Complain. On and on.

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    , @anon1
  328. Jsamkey says: • Website

    Nathan Phillips is a lier who staged this show,to get on all the fake news channels to make money. He never served in Vietnam . Just another POS.

    • Agree: anon1
  329. Jsamkey says: • Website

    As I said Nathan Phillips never served in Vietnam.Pulled this scam to get on TV to make some money.

  330. @David In TN

    In Vietnam they were also mostly who was doing the “fragging”.

    Anyway ,I was neither endorsing nor disagreeing with the idea of keeping blacks out of combat units. Rather I was pointing out that, having been held out of combat, their rate of combat deaths would naturally be lower.

  331. anon1 says:
    @David In TN

    Which just goes to show that when you are dealing with blacks, you just can’t win.

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