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From the Washington Post:

[Lt. Col. Vindman] told lawmakers that he was deeply troubled by what he interpreted as an attempt by the president to subvert U.S. foreign policy …

Okaaaaaay …

Is this the dumbest scandal yet?

Look, I understand the Deep State’s motivations: sure, Trump has had three surprisingly good years of general peace and prosperity, but can you expect Trump’s luck to last through age 78? The Democrats might well lose in 2020 because the longer the primaries go on, the more Americans will be exposed to just how much Current Year Democrats hate Americans. So, the Deep State wants to replace Trump with Pence rather than wait for an election.

But, you know, that’s not really the way things are supposed to work.

 
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  1. “Is this the dumbest scandal yet?”

    Steve, are you really this cynical? The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain, stupidly released a transcript showing him doing just that, tried to cover it up and attack the whistleblower, and now the spin is “meh, he did it, but it wasn’t a big deal.”

    You’re not an idiot Steve, dump Trump before he takes the entire nationalist movement down with him. Is Latin American style corruption and nepotism in the executive office really the dream that the Alt Right is working towards?

  2. @Yackity

    Right, because Libya and Ghadaffi were so Western.

    Attacking Libya was tactically stupid, but taking down the man behind the Lockerbie bombming is hardly a moral crime.

  3. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You’re having a hard time keeping up. Perhaps lay off the fake news. Ask yourself why Schiff’s charectarization of the phone call was so different from the transcript? Why did Vindman meet with Schiff before fiing a report? Why isn’t the second so-called whisltblower now unwilling to testify? If you’ve spent two years thinking there was Russian collusion, until there wasn’t, and now think there is a Ukrainian scandal, until there isn’t, you might want to examine what Trump means by fake news.

    • Agree: XYZ (no Mr.)
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  4. Yackity says:

    I would call Obama’s unprovoked attack on Libya an attempt to subvert Western Civilization, which should weigh far heavier on the impeachment scale with no results, so I will assume Trump is going to be safe.

    Seriously, this is clearly a backfire being set by Dems to provide obfuscation for when the Horowitz report is released. Apparently, the shit is going to hit the fan. He’s already assembled a grand jury in advance of the report. You don’t go through the hassle of that unless you’re locked and loaded. Criminal indictments are going to be flying, and Hillary is a major target, as well as, allegedly, Obama.

    This impeachment business is a sideshow. The main show is about to begin.

    It ain’t tracking at all in the national news cycle, but it’s gonna be.

  5. Gotta love immigrants like Vindman deciding what US foreign policy should be instead of the elected president…..

    BTW, can we just admit that the Soviet jewish immigration program of the 70s and 80s was really bad for America? All these folks seem to think they should be running the USA and have little attachment to the USA and its history and its people….

  6. FFS, even a dumb foreigner like me knows that POTUS sets the foreign policy of the USA so ipso facto he cannot subvert it.

    • Agree: animalogic
  7. El Dato says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Steve, are you really this cynical? The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain, stupidly released a transcript showing him doing just that, tried to cover it up and attack the whistleblower, and now the spin is “meh, he did it, but it wasn’t a big deal.”

    For I second I hoped this was cynical as in “How dare the President meddle in what concerns him on paper but what has been so far successfully managed by powers of mental and moral corruption so great that the destruction of entire countries and the emptying of the national treasury was performed for enrichement of the few and the whole thing was sold as a serie of Freedom Enhancements, as the Founders intended when they wrote the constitution.”

    But then I noticed that you ARE part of the powers of mental and moral corruption.

    May God have mercy on you.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  8. Hail says: • Website
    @Gaius Gracchus

    can we just admit that the Soviet jewish immigration program of the 70s and 80s was really bad for America?

    Yes.

    • Agree: Ash Williams, WJ
    • Replies: @CK
  9. So WaPo thinks what Biden did was OK? And note the aid everyone talks about was weapons, which the Obama administration didn’t allow.

    • Replies: @Jmaie
  10. @Peter Akuleyev

    The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain … really the dream that the Alt Right is working towards?

    The greatest thing about Trump and Brexit to this point is that they have so enraged the Deep State that they just cannot help but lash out and openly express their hatred and contempt for the people of the West and their culture, as you did recently when you “Agreed” with this post:

    M Krauthammar [AKA “PK Subban”] says:
    September 7, 2019 at 5:16 am GMT • 200 Words
    The demographic trends cannot be denied. In a few years white folks will become a minority in this country. So enjoy it while you can, Bubba, your days of driving the bus are numbered.
    Jared Taylor has been banned from Europe. That is great. White people deserve to go extinct. Our planet’s future depends on it
    A black person from Angola can go and visit his White Baby Mama in Germany but this so called Huwhite Nationalist can’t even enter Britain.
    Most white people are old and dying off
    White birth rates are low
    White girls are increasingly having Children of Color with Men of Color
    Open borders immigration is about to be a reality
    Darn it feels good to be a progressive.
    A UNITED KINGDOM is gonna be a reality.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev

    http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/cosmopolitans-vs-communitarians-what-the-battle-over-brexit-means/#comment-3435117

    • LOL: Charon, Ash Williams
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  11. Stogumber says:

    “[Lt. Col. Vindman] told lawmakers that he was deeply troubled by what he interpreted as an attempt by the president to subvert U.S. foreign policy …”

    Isn’t this a wonderful quotation which can serve for a textbook definition of “deep state”:
    Ir’s not the president who determines “U.S. foreign policy” but we – so we have to judge if the president “subverts” our policy.

  12. @Yackity

    First point: It it comes off as promised, the Horowitz report is going to be major. Major Democratic players really could end up in prison. Supposedly there are efforts afoot to use assets in place in DOJ to prevent the Horowitz report from being acted upon or publicly released. We’ll see if the political establishment has the ability to execute that operation. If it does not, the report would be the first success of a Trump counter, and perhaps the first resort to actual law enforcement against politicians over the past several decades.
    Second point: Now that it seems likely Jeffery Epstein was murdered [1], the murder case could be used to find and publish and prosecute the members of Epstein’s networks.

    Both the first and second prosecutions would have considerable public support, and would permanently discredit the political establishment among a considerable number of swing voters.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://swordpress.com.ng/2019/10/31/jeffrey-epstein-was-murdred-famed-forensic-expert-says-epsteins-body-shows-signs-of-homicide/

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  13. Charon says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    Gotta love immigrants like Vindman deciding what US foreign policy should be instead of the elected president…..

    But of course! That’s Who We Are!

    As to your second point, there’s some parable about a snake, or a scorpion. I forget which. Has to do with inborn nature IIRC. And as Nature is wont to do, it gets mixed up with Nurture.

  14. George says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “Is this the dumbest scandal yet?”

    Trump has accused Hunter Biden and by extension Joe Biden of a very common behavior or corruption in the US government. And various people in the house senate must be pissed it has become an issue.

    “The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain”

    What was the personal gain? Busting Bunter Biden? That’s the Prez’s job. See: The Foreign Corrupt Practicies Act which internationalizes US law.

  15. @Gaius Gracchus

    BTW, can we just admit that the Soviet jewish immigration program of the 70s and 80s was really bad for America?

    Why not start with the Russian Jewish immigration of the 1870s and 80s?

  16. George says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “Right, because Libya and Ghadaffi were so Western.” Well, actually Iraq and Libya were western in the sense of being secular dictators.

  17. Ano says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    ‘You’re not an idiot Steve…’

    That’s true. No, he’s not. That’s why he knows it’s the dumbest scandal yet.

  18. Back in my day, officers jumped outside their chain of command at their own, great peril. This guy richly deserves an Article 88 prosecution and some time at Leavenworth.

  19. @Peter Akuleyev

    OK, I’ll set out a plate of food.

    The Lieutenant Colonel did not say he was troubled by the President having “attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain.” He did say he was troubled, deeply troubled by an attempt to “subvert U.S. foreign policy.”

    That statement contradicts the U.S. Constitution, vesting in the President full authority over foreign policy. Not Congress, not the Courts, not the Civil Service State Department bureaucracy.

    Didn’t the Lieutenant Colonel at some time in his career swear an oath to defend the Constitution?

    Kind sir, just asking.

  20. Prokop says:
    @Richard of Melbourne

    Yeah, but is “start to investigate my political opponent’s son or you might not get the aid the Congress approved” really setting the foreign policy?

  21. @Richard of Melbourne

    It now turns out that Trump isn’t allowed to set policy domestically or overseas.

    Judge Blocks Trump Administration’s Health-Care Requirement for New Immigrants

    A new policy would have required new immigrants to show proof of health insurance or the means to afford it

    By Michelle Hackman
    Nov. 2, 2019 9:53 pm ET

    A federal court has blocked the Trump administration from implementing a policy that would require new immigrants to demonstrate they have health care or are able to afford it.

    The order, issued Saturday afternoon by U.S. District Judge Michael Simon in Oregon, temporarily bars the administration from applying the new policy for 28 days. Another hearing is scheduled for Nov. 22.

    Who is this Michael Simon person? Hmm…ACLU, appointed by Obama, member of the Tribe….seems legit, no?

    Why do we even have a president anyway?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Alden
  22. CK says:
    @Hail

    The one that started in the 1880’s wasn’t so good for the USA either.

  23. Realist says:

    Is this the dumbest scandal yet?

    So many dumbass scandals, so little time to rate them.

  24. @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps the next “whistleblower” from the bureaucracy will blurt out what they really think:

    “Why do we allow deplorables to vote anyway? We don’t want to make _that_ mistake again.”

  25. @Steve Sailer

    Not sure if you meant that sarcastically/ironically (tone is remarkably hard to determine with strangers on the Internet so I won’t assume), but the information the Q followers dig up gets passed onto independent journalists like Bongino and Carter, who then fact check and report on it.

    So, yes. It’s legitimately and unironically swell.

    Also, after Epstein IMO the huddled masses are a lot more open to exposure of extreme fuckery on the part of our establishment; so even as just as a propaganda campaign, the Q anon followers are doing yeoman’s work IMO.

  26. TheJester says:

    “BTW, can we just admit that the Soviet Jewish immigration program of the 70s and 80s was really bad for America? All these folks seem to think they should be running the USA and have little attachment to the USA and its history and its people ….”

    Agree …

    I’ve run into a number of Jewish/Russian emigres who arrived from 1973 through 1993. None of them appeared to have assimilated. They were Jews living in America; they might have well been living somewhere else. One of the 1993 emigres married one of my nephews. She can’t stand the United States. Thinks we are a bunch of country bumpkins. She cajoled my nephew to take a job with a French company. They live in Germany … more cosmopolitan, it seems. They aren’t coming back.

    This is happenstance, but most of these Jewish/Russian emigres I’ve met found themselves working in banking in one capacity or another … Jewish/Russian emigres working in banking? Was banking and/or financialization big in the Soviet Union, or is this in their genes?

    Perhaps Jews find it hard to assimilate wherever they locate. They form their own insular communities with tentacles that span the globe. I once had a software developer who was Jewish. He and his wife were “tight” with relatives living in the UK and Argentina. These tentacles were part of the post-WWII diaspora.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  27. I had no idea the Field Grade officer was Jewish, until someone suggested he was more loyal to his country than the US. The complete overreaction told me he was actually Israeli.

    Having an O-5 play national politics on and as part of his active duty duties probably isn’t good for the long term survival of the Republic as a representative democracy.

  28. The president subverting needless regime change —-

    sounds like the right direction. Now if he would get his ducks in order and deal with the wall . . . and securing the nation’s borders instead of hiding behind the skirts of his opponents —

    That would be well and good.

  29. songbird says:

    Things were nice before WWI, when the entire State Department fit into a modest-sized building.

  30. WJ says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Dump Trump ? Pence would be defeated handily, or worse he would win. Then, we could have more Wars for Israel, No Fly Zones over Syria, attacks on Iran and also we would get more open borders. More people from third world dung holes, but we would have Muh Constitution. The Democrat nominees, each and everyone of them, are truly frightening prospects.

  31. “Steve, are you really this cynical?”

    Ohhh good grief.

    even if what you claim is correct carrot and stick is typical foreign policy the world over and as ancient as cavemen or cave people for the feminists among us. What the president did was not a crime, if he in fact did what was claimed, and I am not sure the accusations accurate reflect what occurred. And its apparrently, you haven’t read the record, or if you did, you are making assumptions/speculations based on what you think or have been told actually occurred.

    In either case, their simply is no crime here. And the president’s inquiry concerning “Crowdstrike” is well with the president’s jurisdiction. The fact that democrats have been caught up in the matter is deeply unfortunate, but would not by itself negate a cause to investigate attempts to remove the president by the manufacturing of a case predicated on falsehoods.

    That would be criminal conduct and for a nation in the midst of several conflicts such behavior would be treason on its face. Because the intent of removing the president predicated on falsehoods were to cover-up, undermine or some manner interfere with the security of the US during a time of not one war but clearly two.

    As spelled out clearly in the Constitution of the US.

  32. SFG says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I’m not blind to the corruption. Installing your daughter and son-in-law in the White House as advisers? Keeping your hotels when you’re President so diplomats will stay in them for brownie points?

    The argument that he ‘fights like a gangster and that’s what we need’ I find unconvincing as well–he hasn’t built the wall or overhauled immigration, and staff cycle in and out rather rapidly. He does a nice job making everyone feel better getting into fights with progressives on Twitter, but hasn’t really done all that much for nationalism.

    But the key question is, who are you going to replace him with? Pence will easily be convinced by the neocons to start more wars in the Middle East, and will probably fold on the immigration issue given a little pushing from donors. Any of the Democrats will be forced by their base to let tons more immigrants from the Third World in even if they know better in the back of their heads (Bernie Sanders comes to mind).

    I’m not nuts about the guy, but he’s the best we are likely to get for a while. Tom Cotton and Kris Kobach aren’t running.

  33. fnn says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump was tweeting about Democrat monkey business in Ukraine way back in 2017.

    Trump was tweeting about Ukraine in Early 2017.Soyour theory is false. https://t.co/6RS9heoHwE— 𝙻𝚎𝚎 𝚂𝚝𝚛𝚊𝚗𝚊𝚑𝚊𝚗 ⏳ (@stranahan) November 1, 2019

  34. Trump has had three surprisingly good years of general peace and prosperity

    Oh, come on! Trump has been an absolute disaster in his role of Head of State and has made American the laughing stock of the world. On the domestic front he has not passed any major legislation, even when his party controlled both houses of Congress.

    It is true that he has not started any wars, although he seems to have teetered on the edge with Iran, and there is no reason to think that the current prosperity is any better than it would have been under another president. When Clinton left office the federal deficit was almost eliminated. Where are we now with that?

    I keep hearing that more and more young people are staying with their parents due to not being able to set up households and start families of their own. Certainly the cost of having a baby if you don’t have Medicaid is astronomical.

    In the era of Trump the overall quality of life continues to fall further behind that of a number of other developed countries.

    Trump’s two signature policies that got him elected were to build a wall along the entire frontier with Mexico and have Mexico pay for it so as to keep out illegal immigrants. How has that gone?

    OK, he has taken a number of steps to reduce legal immigration, but that is not quite the same thing. Meanwhile there is a massive shortage of skilled and unskilled workers in the US. The US now accepting less refugees annually than many other nations, for example:

    Jordan (2.7 million+)
    Turkey (2.5 million+)
    Pakistan (1.6 million)
    Lebanon (1.5 million+)
    Iran (979,400)
    Ethiopia (736,100)
    Kenya (553,900)
    Uganda (477,200)
    Democratic Republic of Congo (383,100)
    Chad (369,500)
    United States of America (21,000)

    Well, we are a poor, overcrowded country with unaffordable health care, a drinking water shortage, and can barely care for the people who are already here, let alone refugees.

    He promised to repeal the hated and expensive Obamacare mandatory health insurance and replace it with something much better and more affordable that would cover everyone. He then commented “Who knew health care reform was so difficult?” Well, duh! Who knew it would be so difficult to get Mexico to build an Iron Curtain to keep people in, for that matter.

    If he will not resign, Trump needs to be impeached so that the Republican party can run a plausible candidate for president next year and not be saddled with a candidate whose mental state is clearly deteriorating on a daily basis with another 365 days of deterioration ahead.

    Trump can then retire to his Florida resort and be pushed around in a wheelchair by immigrants.

    Otherwise it will be Warren or Sanders, and if we don’t want them and their Medicare for all plans, Republicans need to come up with an even better health care financing reform plan that trumps their plans and makes American a slightly greater place to live.

  35. fnn says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Gadaffy was holding back hordes of African migrants, as you well know.

  36. @SFG

    But the key question is, who are you going to replace him with?

    I’m not nuts about the guy, but he’s the best we are likely to get for a while. Tom Cotton and Kris Kobach aren’t running.

    If Trump resigns, retires, or is impeached, there will be a Republican Party primary process in which several qualified candidates will come forward and offer their ideas on the direction the executive branch of the federal government needs to go first to primary voters and then to the public at large. Isn’t that how it is supposed to work?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  37. Trump is a traitor and anyone who supports him is complicit in treason

  38. Mike1 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Trump needs to be impeached so that the Republican party can run a plausible candidate for president next year”. Like Romney or McCain? You might not have noticed, but we have stopped taking advice from concerned Democrats about the right way to be conservative.

  39. @Richard of Melbourne

    FFS, even a dumb foreigner like me knows that POTUS sets the foreign policy of the USA so ipso facto he cannot subvert it.

    This sounds like a theological argument. God is good and God created the universe, so there cannot be anything bad in the universe. The only possible mistake God ever made was to give Man free will.

    From Wikipedia:

    Powers of the President

    Subject to the advice and consent role of the U.S. Senate, the President of the United States negotiates treaties with foreign nations, but treaties enter into force only if ratified by two-thirds of the Senate.

    The President is also Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces, and as such has broad authority over the armed forces. Both the Secretary of State and ambassadors are appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate. The United States Secretary of State acts similarly to a foreign minister and under Executive leadership is the primary conductor of state-to-state diplomacy.

    Powers of the Congress

    The U.S. Constitution gives much of the foreign policy decision-making to the presidency, but the Senate has a role in ratifying treaties, and the Supreme Court interprets treaties when cases are presented to it.

    Congress is the only branch of government that has the authority to declare war.
    Furthermore, Congress writes the civilian and military budget, thus has vast power in military action and foreign aid. Congress also has power to regulate commerce with foreign nations.

    • Replies: @Tex
  40. fnn says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    We all know how bad Trump is. The alternatives are worse , they will be tools of the State Dept and the security organs. They will follow the ideological line of the Globohomo, the Poz or cultural marxism or whatever you choose to call it. It will be even more insane than Ukraine with its State Dept kleptocratic Jews, Jews not yet proven to be kleptocratic and Banderites who to all appearances are more enthusiastically Nazi than the Nazi of the 1940s. All this to stop some Russian threat that no one in Western Europe acts like they believe in.

  41. Mike1 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The weirdest thing about Trump is that the question “can someone possibly be this dumb?” keeps getting answered. The idea that the executive can’t INQUIRE about obvious corruption is beyond parody.
    The US intelligence agencies are trying to remove a US president. No sane person can see this as a desirable outcome.

  42. @Peter Akuleyev

    Steve, are you really this cynical? The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain, stupidly released a transcript showing him doing just that, tried to cover it up and attack the whistleblower, and now the spin is “meh, he did it, but it wasn’t a big deal.”

    Are you really that stupid? The President of the United States is the final word on foreign policy. He administrates it as he sees fit. He can say and do any thing to any foreign leader. It is not the job, the duty or in the power of anyone to 2nd guess the President of the United States in regard to foreign policy.

    Thus, Trump can do as he pleases in a phone call. It’s his job.

    The transcript of the phone call clearly shows no extortion attempt of any kind, and this is verified by the person on the other end of the call, the President of Ukraine. But even if he did–which he emphatically did not–it’s none of anyone’s business, and it is most definitely not a crime.

    Trump releasing the transcript was brilliant, because it made Schiff’s attempt to lie about the content and nature of the call look like the lie that it was.

    There is no whistle blower, because up until this traitor to the United States came to talk with Schiff, the definition of a whistle blower was someone with first hand knowledge, which the traitor did not have. The definition was changed to fit this traitor’s acts by the IG, a Deep State operative.

    There you have it: the Pres is free to run foreign policy with or without 2nd guessing from Deep State traitors so it’s “meh, who’s the ignorant turd who thinks different?”

    You are a loon with severe TDS. Get help.

  43. Take a look at LTC Vindman’s ribbons. He was a second/third rate combat officer but good at office politics. Had he any REAL integrity he would have asked to be reassigned rather than work for someone whose ideas and policies he so detested. His staying on to deliberately undermine the person he was supposed to be working for is the act of a self-absorbed anti-American anti-Constitutionalist.

  44. @SFG

    You are blind because there is no corruption at all.

    Trump’s choice of who advises him is none of your business. That’s not corruption.
    Trump has passed on the running of his businesses to others, thus there’s no corruption in having real estate. Diplomats are free to stay wherever they want to, thus there is no corruption there either.

    Looks you are just another fool with TDS. Get help.

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @SFG
  45. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Only 16 comments so far. Yet three shills in one comment thread on a Sunday? Hmm. Is something about to drop next week?

  46. Alfa158 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    And then the new Republican candidate, whoever they are, will gracefully lose to the Democrat the same way that Jeb would have to Hillary until Trump tore up the script. But of course that’s exactly the objective with the current exercise in concern trolling by Democrats. I recall the time that Chuckie Schumer said that the Republicans really need to support open borders and the importation of tens of millions of new Democrats, because if they didn’t Schumer was deeply concerned that there would never be another Republican President.
    The solid vote by the Republican Congress against impeachment shows that not even Republicans, who are famous for being the stupid party, aren’t stupid enough to fall for throwing Trump under the bus.

  47. Anon[657] • Disclaimer says:

    Col. W. Patrick Lang (U.S. Army, ret.) a former senior member at the DIA, head of Defense Clandestine Service, was a professor at West Point, Green Beret in Vietnam, etc.:

    The US Army sends too many officers to graduate schools to study Political Science and International Relations. These subjects are pseudo sciences based on the 19th Century yearnings of some European scholars for a paradigm change in human affairs that would relieve them of their minority status. Sadly, these disciplines also create a mentality in officer students that gives inculcates them with the idea that they are members of a kind of fraternity that dominates or should dominate the American foreign policy establishment. I call that establishment The Borg.

    The Army lent Vindman to the NSC staff, much as the marines lent Oliver North to the White House staff long ago. In an NSC staff led by the arch neocon John Bolton he must have felt quite at home. Last Summer he was given the task of listening (with several others) to Trump’s conversation with Zelensky. This is a routine precaution taken to avoid misunderstandings as to what is said.

    Vindman says that the president holds views inconsistent “with the consensus views of the interagency.” (the Borg) LTC Vindman has evidently been seduced by the idea that the president of the US is obligated to accept the consensus of The Borg or to tell them the truth about his intentions as he directs US foreign policy. Vindman is wrong about that. He, and all the other Borgists are staff, not partners.

    Vindman has evidently been returned to the Army. As a serving Army officer he can only be ejected from the officer corps for legal cause. IMO it is likely that the Army will be deeply offended by his rejection of his assigned role as a staff officer to the president and his preferred loyalty to The Borg and will find a comfortable place for him in a basement or on a distant island. (not Hawaii)

    I should say that there is nothing wrong with the Army sending officers for study of useful subject but poly sci/ IR are not among them. pl

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/10/lt-col-hindman-an-army-borgist.html

  48. Lugash says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Attacking Libya was tactically stupid, but taking down the man behind the Lockerbie bombming is hardly a moral crime.

    It was a moral crime, a war crime and strategically stupid.

    On the moral level the American government stabbed him in the back. Lockerbie(and other terrorist incidents) had been forgiven. This was distasteful but considered necessary to get him back into the international community.

    Q and his government were the internationally recognized government of Libya. There was no legal authority for the US to ‘assist’ rebel groups(who had extensive ties to French and UK intelligence services)

    Strategically it was a disaster. North Korea, Venezuela and Syria will never trust the west again. It created a safe have for ISIS and uncorked immigration.

    It also might have been to coverup Sarkozy extorting Q to get out of sanctions.

  49. @Jonathan Mason

    Most Americans — the ones that give a damn about our country — don’t give a $#@t about the opinion of the rest of the world concerning actions in America. The fact you bring that up first says a lot about you. I note you seem to conveniently forget the fact that the wall is being built at all is because Trump managed to siphon some defense money into it, and had to go to court to do that. And veto Congressional actions against it.

    The Democrats have already given up on citizenship and are frankly treasonous. The majority of the Congressional Republicans are still Chamber of Commerce types, which is why they don’t care about a border crisis, or wanted trade agreements renegotiated, or tariffs against China. Looking to Republicans for a solution without Trump is stupid — but then again, you’re complaining about the lack of wall progress — the fault of Trump, a massive shortage of skilled and unskilled workers in the US — the fault of Trump, we’re poor and crowded — the fault of Trump, that young people can’t start families — the fault of Trump.

    Of course, America being poor, crowded, and having expensive family formation costs absolutely reflects the price of high immigration: legal, illegal, or refugee. (And everyone who would replace Trump would do worse.) And yet simultaneously we have a massive shortage of workers and need more…what? immigration? In some world that is logical, but not this one.

    So you’re just another boring Trump critic spouting gibberish.

    President Trump is a transition figure, and the best we have until the Chamber of Commerce Republicans (and neoconservatives) lose majority power in the party, and right now I think the ratio of nationalists to globalists is 1:2. We need at least 5 more years of hard infighting.

    I doubt you are a Republican, but NeverTrumpers are pretty worthless people. They should be humbled by how badly they misread, or mislead, the Republican base, and that an ex-Democrat hotel and casino developer had to step up and attempt to rectify their national failures. Sad really.

  50. Tex says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Trump didn’t impose a treaty or start a war in Ukraine, so I’m not clear what he did that was unconstitutional. That’s not a theological argument, but a legal one. The president has the legal authority to engage in diplomacy. Rooting out corruption by the heinously corrupt Bidens sounds like a good idea to me.

  51. istevefan says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    On the domestic front he has not passed any major legislation, even when his party controlled both houses of Congress.

    Except effectively his party did not control both houses of Congress. The then-GOP was actively hostile to Trump and treated him in some respects worse than they’d treat a democrat. The current GOP is still not exactly 100 percent behind him, but many of the bad actors have self-deported.

    I keep hearing that more and more young people are staying with their parents due to not being able to set up households and start families of their own.

    Like that just happened under Trump.

    OK, he has taken a number of steps to reduce legal immigration, but that is not quite the same thing.

    Though he hasn’t gone far enough on legal immigration, and he won’t be able to with a pro-immigration Congress, reducing legal immigration is quite important. Contrary to popular belief, it has been legal immigration, not illegal, that has wrought the lion’s share of demographic change.

  52. istevefan says:

    Re: Lt. Col. Vindman

    Here is a retired LTC of the US Army with a series of tweets about his past encounter with Vindman. Given that the guy has used his real name and identified himself as a retired LTC, I’d take what he says more seriously than if some anonymous guy stated it. My guess is he is putting himself at some legal risk for stating these things if they are false.

    @RepMattGaetz @GOPLeader @Jim_Jordan @DonaldJTrumpJr @GregRubini @QBlueSkyQ @Bluepopcorn8 @EpochTimes I know LTC Alex Vindman from a Combined US-Russian exercise called Atlas Vision 12 in Grafenwoher, GE. He worked w/the Russian Embassy & I was assigned to the JMTC (Joint… pic.twitter.com/G0gQQAFROf— LTC (R) Jim Hickman (@Jim_Hickman13) November 1, 2019

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  53. res says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    And the rare Unz quadfecta (Agree, Disagree, LOL, Troll) is achieved. Well done.

    Achmed E Newman, I seem to recall you asking me about Never Trump shills in another thread?

    P.S. Special thanks to Paleo Liberal for supplying the critical (currently lone) Agree. Perhaps you would care to comment on how this compares to the Clinton Foundation (e.g. Uranium One) or Hunter Biden scandals?

  54. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    OK, he has taken a number of steps to reduce legal immigration, but that is not quite the same thing. Meanwhile there is a massive shortage of skilled and unskilled workers in the US.

    There isn’t. Again, in the the high professions in this country, the median ratio of working practitioners to annual degree recipients is 22.5. The ratio for engineers is 19.5.

    The US now accepting less refugees annually than many other nations, for example:

    We should only be accepting them retail. A newspaper editor from Tegucigalpa with a price on his head, that type of thing. We can certainly finance and operate refugee camps, but refugees are properly cared for proximate to their country of origin with a view to their eventual repatriation. The only places proximate to the U.S. which have a history as refugee generators are Cuba and Haiti. One thing you should never do is build colonies of refugees in Missoula and Lewiston.

    • Agree: Dissident
  55. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    and has made American the laughing stock of the world.

    Davos and Fleet Street and Brussels and the 7th arrondissement are welcome to go f*** themselves.

  56. I shall stay out of the discussion on Trump’s merits. I did not vote for the man in large part because someone I am close to who used to be a partner in a law firm that did work for the Trump Organization kept sending me articles about how Trump was a corrupt con man. You guys can argue that point among yourselves as to whether his actions as president fit in with that description.

    What worries me is that the Powers That Be will use Trump’s downfall as a way to completely discredit patriotic immigration reform. “Anti-Trump” is seen as a virtue by the left wing, even when Trump is right.

    Case in point: in 2015, before Trump announced his candidacy, Democrats were evenly split on the issue of a border wall. I am referring to the rank and file voters, not the elites who actually make policy.
    By 2017, Democrats were against the wall by about a 3-1 margin.

    I consider the wall to be an engineering issue rather than a morality play, which makes me in the minority of my fellow Democrats.

    We Democrats who are immigration patriots do still exist. But the elites are pushing open borders to show how pure and clean and Anti-Trump they can be. The nationalistic left of Sanders circa 2015 is replaced by the open borders left of the Mod Squad.

  57. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    successfully managed by powers of mental and moral corruption so great

    Could you elaborate on what you are referring to here?

  58. @Peter Akuleyev

    “Attacking Libya was tactically stupid”

    True, but it was great strategy for the Babylonian clique that desired to flood Europe with black and brown bodies.

  59. @Peter Akuleyev

    Sir, you really believe the late Col. Ghaddafi was behind this crime?

    Hint: there has not been an Iranian airliner shot down by US forces since Lockerbie.

  60. @anon

    According to the WaPo, Adam Schiff’s real ambition was screenwriting. Figures. Screenwriters tend to be neurotic. Complete nutjobs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  61. nebulafox says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    No, it wasn’t a mere tactical error, it was deeply strategically stupid. Migration influxes aside, if you want to know why North Korea and Iran are so attached to their nuclear programs, a big part of that was witnessing what happened to Gaddafi when he decided to cut a deal with the Americans and give up his program.

    I always got the sense that Obama realized around 2014 he badly screwed up a few years earlier in listening to the interventionists, which led to his (laudable) ultimate refusal to launch Operation SYRIAN FREEDOM against bipartisan pressure. By contrast, I don’t ever got the sense that Hillary woke up to that, let alone the GOPe: which added fuel to TweetMan’s campaign.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  62. istevefan says:

    Case in point: in 2015, before Trump announced his candidacy, Democrats were evenly split on the issue of a border wall. I am referring to the rank and file voters, not the elites who actually make policy.
    By 2017, Democrats were against the wall by about a 3-1 margin.

    You seem to be suggesting that democrats only became pro-open borders because of Trump. In reality this has been in the works for a while because democrats are smart enough to see that demographic change is their key to one-party rule like they have in California.

    So long as the nation continued to take in 1 to 2 million immigrants per year, year after year, the democrats did not need to be overt in their position on open borders because there was no need to scare off the voters.

    Prior to Trump no one in the GOP seriously threatened the status quo. In fact Bush jr. actively tried to get two amnesties passed with his good buddy John McCain. Only Patrick Buchanan seriously threatened the current level of mass immigration, and of course, we know what happened to Pat.

    But Trump was different. He ran with the anti-mass immigration message and repeatedly refused to go away after countless times when media attacks would have sunk others like Buchanan.

    Trump was the first major player in modern American politics to seriously challenge mass immigration, and no matter what the democrats, media or RINOs did, they could not defeat him. Suddenly with the rise of Trump, democrats were concerned for the first time that their pipeline of new voters might be turned off.

    It is this fear that accounts for the changes in attitude that you are seeing among democrats. For the first time in a while they see a threat to what they had thought was something on autopilot. They are in a mad dash to keep mass immigration continuing until that point in time where they achieve demographic and electoral dominance.

    It was not Trump per se that caused this. Anyone who successfully ran on an anti-mass immigration message would have engendered this response. Of course I don’t know of anyone not named Trump who could have run on this message and survived the countless attacks.

    We Democrats who are immigration patriots do still exist

    At this stage how can you still be a democrat? They are both pro open borders and anti-White. I don’t get how anyone can be a democrat in 2019.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Clyde
  63. @Paleo Liberal

    “We Democrats who are immigration patriots do still exist.”

    It’s good to know there are two of us. At this point in the story, Trump has shed his orange man skin and become a symbol for the battle between the Luciferian Globalists and the besieged homesteaders.

  64. nebulafox says:

    I do find the notion that the President can “subvert US foreign policy” flat-out ridiculous, because… guess who controls foreign policy as Commander-in-Chief?

    There’s a good reason for that: you don’t deal with foreign countries like you would building infrastructure or setting the tax code. We had a period after Watergate where Congress tried to play their hand at the foreign policy game, and they were so inept at the job that the voters radically shifted in a little over half a decade.

    With that being said:

    “Look, I understand the Deep State’s motivations: sure, Trump has had three surprisingly good years of general peace and prosperity, but can you expect Trump’s luck to last through age 78?”

    Steve, don’t be delusional. Trump is a clown and a con-man who is retarding the image of nationalism, not enhancing it. He’s polarized the Democrats beyond belief, which will lead to more counter-polarization on the Right. It’s difficult to see how it’ll end well. Meanwhile, he was elected to fundamentally disrupt the Beltway status quo: instead, he’s governed as a standard issue Gospel of Wealth Republican, with his pinhead son-in-law acting as chief advisor. Forget the bombastic promises of a wall: why not merely implement E-Verify with far less controversy and expense? Oh, yeah: it would piss off the Job Creators.

    Don’t worry: our bipartisan ruling elite have not learned anything from the last several years, so nationalism isn’t going away, because they’ll take care to stoke its fires at every turn. But the new generation will be working against the aggressively stupid BoomerCon image that Trump gave it.

  65. Jmaie says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Friday night NPR held a highly touted symposium on the impeachment inquiry, promising only verifiable truth. Twice in 20 minutes the host used the phrase “debunked conspiracy theory” to describe the idea that there was any possible malfeasance by either Biden senior or junior.

    I see this as a good sign, there is panic in the air….

  66. nebulafox says:
    @istevefan

    >. Of course I don’t know of anyone not named Trump who could have run on this message and survived the countless attacks.

    On the contrary: someone with Trump’s money (that’s the critical part: you have your own money, you are free to tell the donors to take a hike) who was more intelligent, disciplined, had less skeletons in the closet and was actually… committed to a consistent vision beyond his vague whims for the day wouldn’t have just won in 2016. He would have absolutely annihilated his opponents. By openly posing his policies before the masses on TV or YouTube, he would have had the chances to remake American politics in a way nobody has in many decades.

    People didn’t vote for Trump because they thought he was qualified to be President or was a paragon of rectitude as a human being. People voted for him because he was an alternative that made an increasingly venal, authoritarian, and inept elite spitting mad, the demographically exploded gentry class who were the only ones to profit from the previous quarter century even moreso. Why not gamble? He had a historical opportunity against an utterly weak establishment to unite ordinary American citizens of all stripes against Davos fantasies. TweetMan didn’t go for it, whether out of laziness, a desire to be accepted among his native class, or stupidity, and now he pays the price.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  67. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Lunacy. It’s Trump or Warren.

    Take your pick.

    Trump won’t seize my car. He won’t take my house and give it to an illegal and make me live in a shipping container, or sewer pipe. Warren will do all these things.

    Trump won’t take my healthcare, give me racially rationed aspirin, and raise my taxes double for free healthcare for illegals. While I work full time and live in a shipping container.

    Warren will do all these things.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Alden
  68. Jack D says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    Right, Purple Heart recipient Vindman who has dedicated (almost lost) his life to US military service has little attachment to USA but you do.

    It’s true that the US President gets to determine US foreign policy to some extent but not to an unlimited extent. In places like Russia, getting elected gives you pretty much carte blanche license to steal (Putin is a billionaire now), order hits on people, etc. but we are supposed to have a President with limited powers. I don’t know whether Trump crossed any red lines (I tend to doubt it) but that doesn’t mean that no redlines exist and the Pres. can do any damn thing he wants because he was elected.

    Everyone here going nuts about Vindman would be singing the praises of a WASP officer who objected to say President Sanders pressuring an ally to investigate Trump for his personal political gain. The brave WASP standing up against the Jew President, etc. You know that you would, regardless of what the issue was.

    The difference is that the media would take Sander’s side but if say Pres. Sanders (who BTW doesn’t really like Israel despite being Jewish, or at least not the current right wing Israeli gov.) announced some pro-Israel and self interested foreign policy would you be OK with it because US foreign policy is 100% determined by elected president or would you be yelling and screaming that the Jew President has little attachment to the USA and its history and its people so he can’t just do whatever he wants.

    BTW, Trump has recent immigrant roots – his family hasn’t been in the US much longer than most American Jews have. Trump’s mother and all 4 of his grandparents were not born in the US. Trump evaded the draft. Perhaps he is the one who has little attachment to the USA and its history and its people? I happen to like the man but you really can’t judge someone’s loyalty by how Old Stock they are. Aldrich Ames was super Old Stock and he was a traitor.

  69. Jack D says:
    @nebulafox

    A fantasy candidate always wins against reality because real candidates are always flawed. Who is this mythical perfect billionaire? He doesn’t exist. The only question is which candidate is the least flawed (in this case the voters decided it was Trump).

    The same thing applies today – a Democrat fantasy candidate could beat the pants off Trump but the Dems don’t have a fantasy candidate, they only have a bunch of flawed real ones – the Socialist, the senile guy, the fake Indian, the gay guy, etc. so it’s not clear that they can beat Trump with any of the real candidates. We live in an age of political midgets among whom Trump stood the tallest despite being not very tall (in the moral sense). He is our one-eyed king in the land of the blind. There is no Washington, no Lincoln, not even an Eisenhower to save us.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  70. @Paleo Liberal

    So your friend sent you articles written by the corrupt press that said Trump was a corrupt con man?

    What exactly was he corrupt on? Since you imply that your friend was sending you these articles before he ran for President, what corrupt acts did Trump do?

    You say that the articles said he was a con man. Exactly who was he conning?

    Why do people write this garbage?

    All these names (corrupt, con man, racist, etc., etc.) and not one lick of proof ever.

    Lordy.

    And by the way, Democrats weren’t evenly split before Trump. They were almost 100 percent for preventing illegal immigration. You can easily find speeches by Feinstein, Pelosi, Hillary, Bill, Schumer, and Obama among many many others that are completely against illegal immigration

    You are misstating things.

  71. Clyde says:
    @Jack D

    Vindman is a rotten skunk and he is Jewish? So it seems. I could give f about his purple hearts if he is a skunk. What I hear is Vinman despises Putin for whatever reason. That this is why he is so anti-Trump and is the original leaker on the Trump-Ukraine phone call. Ukrainian nationalist reasons? He lives here and got rescued to live and grow here so his attachment to Ukrainian is fantasizing. He has a fantastic life here compared to the average in Ukraine so f him..

  72. i notice that Steve still allows people hostile to us to post here. as you can see, they’ve derailed the entire thread with their usual BS.

    signal to noise ratio remains low as long as they’re allowed to post freely. there is no value to their posts, to their opinions, or their perspective. we get their side of the story all day every day from every other media outlet.

    we don’t come here to listen to them.

  73. @Peter Akuleyev

    Peter Akuleyev is most likely a German “Besserwisser” : A German know-it-all, and German Besserwissers are the most rabid anti-DT nut-cases on planet Mirth.

    They, the German Besserwissers, worship BO and Greta and they are now instigating their very own Morgentau plan starting with the elimination of privately owned automobiles and the dismanteling of German heavy industry.

    German Besserwissers love their “Meldepflicht”, the most draconian, big-brother law possible and they love the idea that no one should be allowed to own a weapon for personal protection as according to them only the state should be allowed to have and hold weaponry.

    The “Meldepflicht being a horrid leftover from the “Fürstenzeiten”, it is a regulation which requires each citizen to report their new address to the local “Meldeamt”, and the neurotic Teutons view it as a means of maintaining “Ordnung”.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Ary vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  74. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    There’s no question that as a businessman Trump did stuff that was shady (and yet almost always within the law). Someone who does shady stuff that violates the law we call a criminal. Someone who does shady stuff but that is still legal (even if just barely) is just a ruthless and skillful businessman – someone who is willing and able to drive right up to the edge of the law without crossing it. Is it illegal to use the tax code to minimize your taxes? No. Is it illegal to use the bankruptcy courts to shed your debts? No. Is it illegal to stiff your creditors and force them to sue you if they want to collect on their invoices? No.

    There are not many people willing to drive this way. Either they would rather remain safely in the middle of the lane (even though it’s slower there) because either their conscience would not permit them to behave in this way or because they are afraid of taking such risks or else they do drive to the edge and then slip over it and a fiery crash ensues. But Trump pulled off this act for decades. Maybe he caused other drivers to crash and left all sorts of wreckage in his wake but he always emerged unscathed. Either he was very lucky or very skillful.

    The hope of the voters was that Trump as President would still be that ruthless businessman but use it to advance the interests of the people of the United States in general and not his own personal interests. Frankly, the chances of a lifelong egomaniac doing that are slim.

  75. Clyde says:
    @istevefan

    My thinking is in line with yours. I pray for Trumps continued health. He must have non stop positive thinking mantras going through his mind, to endure the massive attacks on him by the Deep Swamp and Democrats. As a youngster Trump was taken to Norman Vincent Peale’s – Marble Collegiate Church, right in mid-Town Manhattan. Norman Vincent Peale wrote the original book on positive thinking. Called “The Power of Positive Thinking” written maybe 70 years ago.

  76. Mr. Anon says:

    The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain, stupidly released a transcript showing him doing just that, tried to cover it up and attack the whistleblower, and now the spin is “meh, he did it, but it wasn’t a big deal.”

    What a load of ridiculous twaddle. He considered withholding foreign aid – a thing entirely in our gift; we don’t “owe” Ukraine s**t. The President has broad authority to conduct foreign policy. Withholding foreign aid undoubtedly falls within that. Can you cite the statute that Trump is supposed to have violated? And he did this to exert leverage on a government to force them to investigate corruption. Which corruption included bribing a sitting US Vice President…………who is on tape bragging about using his leverage to shut down any such investigation:

    Go to 1:15 in the video.

    Was it self-interested? Sure. Most everything every politician does is self-interested. I don’t like Trump any longer and don’t trust him. But what is the alternative at this point? Pence? Pence is boring, predictable, and reliable. Trump will likely betray us in unknown and unpredictable ways. I know exactly how Pence will betray us.

  77. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    I think you are intelligent enough to realize that being perfect-or even “moral” in the slightest-and being a more serious Weltgeist that poses a threat to the current order than Donald Trump are not remotely the same thing.

    So, it is a fantasy to suppose that someone superior to Donald Trump can realize the immense amount of power he could wield if he chooses to build a personal cult among the masses at the expense of his own class in coming decades? I don’t buy that. Power for its own sake is usually far more appealing than any amount of wealth or comfort to the men who, in conjunction with the forces of their day, typically cause great historical shifts. Our current rulers aren’t getting any more competent or charismatic, and their responses to mockery or grenades lobbed at their sacred cows any more convincing. They keep power through inertia alone. Something’s going to give as the socioeconomic and structural problems caused by their own ideology add up.

    It would be absurdly, comically easy to light the fire, really. Politics being the stupidest business in the world, what does it say about the formidability of our generation of politicians that they are midgets even at that? They are poodles who think they are wolves. Trump’s own political success guarantees it’ll happen eventually. Just as later generations looked at Sulla and realized that nothing prevented them from doing what he did, it’ll be even more the case here. If *that* guy of all people could do it, and so whimsically without a coherent plan or a motive beyond more press for his dumb reality TV show at that, well, why not me?

    Do I think this’ll be good for America? Tough to say. Caesarism is exactly what the Founding Fathers were scared of, but our ruling elites are making it more or less inevitable: and if it is indeed a worse option than dismantling the empire and going back toward the republic that we were set up to be, maybe it would still be a better option than continuing with them and their Latin American neo-feudal fantasies.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  78. @Jonathan Mason

    Jordan (2.7 million+)
    Turkey (2.5 million+)
    Pakistan (1.6 million)
    Lebanon (1.5 million+)
    Iran (979,400)
    Ethiopia (736,100)
    Kenya (553,900)
    Uganda (477,200)
    Democratic Republic of Congo (383,100)
    Chad (369,500)
    United States of America (21,000)

    Are you actually claiming that Jordan is taking in 2.7 million refugees a year? Lebanon is taking in 1.5 million refugees per year? Really?

    This list compares aggregate refugee numbers for each country (some of the numbers are Syrian refugee specific) with the per annum refugee number of the United States. These numbers appear to be purposely misleading to the reader.

    Syrian refugees should be cared for in adjacent Muslim nations where they will be most at home and less disruptive to their host societies. Syrians should be kept near Syria so that they can be returned to their homeland once Assad has secured the Syrian nation.

    Step up your propaganda game next time.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  79. @Peter Akuleyev

    You’re not an idiot Steve, dump Trump before he takes the entire nationalist movement down with him. Is Latin American style corruption and nepotism in the executive office really the dream that the Alt Right is working towards?

    Hell, one LOL isn’t anywhere near enough mockery of this shitshow.

    1000 LOL’s I say!

  80. @Whiskey

    Trump won’t seize my car. He won’t take my house and give it to an illegal and make me live in a shipping container, or sewer pipe. Warren will do all these things.

    Boy! Warren really has it in for you. What did you do to her?

  81. The President attempted to extort a foreign leader for personal gain … really the dream that the Alt Right is working towards?

    Apparently the Ukraine is the hill the Democrats, the deep state have chosen to die on. This clumsy final offensive has already come apart and will not end well. At least they will go out with a bang. Trump and the Nationals will be bayoneting the wounded for years to come.

    Both the FISA declassification and Ukraine hoax will be played simultaneously. This Ukrainian $hit is being thrown up hastily in the hopes they can block the investigation of the deep state the same way the Russian hoax was used but they have run out of time and places to hide. You will soon see people such as Strzok, Comey, and McCabe frog marched into prison and Clinton and Brennan to follow.

    Like Nixon, Obama could fall on the sword and save us all the trouble but my guess is that the first black President will be content to have his minions, of which there are legion, to try and save his skin. That will only make his final humiliation and his supporters, all the more complete.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  82. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Right, Purple Heart recipient Vindman who has dedicated (almost lost) his life to US military service has little attachment to USA but you do.

    I no longer believe that dedicating yourself to US military service means you are dedicated to the nation.

    Interestingly, Vindman has an identical twin, also a Lt. Col. in the US Army, and who also works for the NSC. They also have an older brother, Leonid Vindman, an investment banker and the “Founder and Managing Partner, Tungsten Capital Advisors”, who specializes in – why……………….Ukraine of all places.

    https://www.dx-open.com/corp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Distressed_Investments_Forum_CEE_Prague.pdf

    Well, it’s a small world.

    So these completely assimilated immigrants – 2 out of 3 of them anyway – despite having arrived in the US as children, are making their careers as experts in the country of their birth.

    And let me save you the trouble Johann.

    • Disagree: Johann Ricke

    • Replies: @Jack D
  83. @Mr. Anon

    And he did this to exert leverage on a government to force them to investigate corruption. Which corruption included bribing a sitting US Vice President…………who is on tape bragging about using his leverage to shut down any such investigation:

    There is plenty of evidence of corruption on the part of the Bidens, but Trump has not moved to prosecute them, or to sanction Burisma, more’s the pity.

    The point is that the money for Ukraine had been approved by Congress and the executive branch was not communicating with Congress about withholding the funds for purposes of investigating corruption in furthering the US national interest.

    The whole thing was really stupid, because it is not even very likely that right-wing elderly democrat Biden has much chance of winning the top job since he is just as mendacious as he ever was, only senile into the bargain.

  84. Still an entire year out from the next presidential election and “Sailer’s Sad-Sacks” are out in full force (and full embarrassment).

    The whining of the losers informs me Trump is on track to electoral dominance. Enjoy voting for the “sodomy is a Christian virtue” Buttguy, nerds.

    MAGA

  85. Mr. Anon says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    According to the WaPo, Adam Schiff’s real ambition was screenwriting. Figures. Screenwriters tend to be neurotic. Complete nutjobs.

    I’ve never forgiven Schiff for capsizing the S.S. Poseidon.

  86. Mr. Anon says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    Are you saying that people like Masha Gessen haven’t been a huge boon to the country? Pfft.

  87. @HammerJack

    Playwright Neil Simon’s nephew.

  88. Art Deco says:
    @TheJester

    There’s been massive intermarriage over the last 50 years. Jews who actually are insular tend to be orthodox. In New York, the usual stance of orthodox communities is practical: they regard politicians as fungible.

  89. David says:
    @Jack D

    The brave WASP standing up against the Jew President, etc. You know that you would, regardless of what the issue was.

    You’re wrong. You’re projecting. And this trait of yours is why you and Lot seem so gross to so many of us. I suppose you can’t understand.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  90. SFG says:
    @restless94110

    TDS? I just argued to vote for him.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  91. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tim Howells

    In a few years white folks will become a minority in this country. So enjoy it while you can, Bubba, your days of driving the bus are numbered.

    That is a nasty comment. What race or ethnicity is Peter Akuleyev?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @William Badwhite
  92. anon[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I did not vote for the man in large part because someone I am close to who used to be a partner in a law firm that did work for the Trump Organization kept sending me articles about how Trump was a corrupt con man.

    Have you ever encountered the term “low information voter”?

  93. anon[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    What race or ethnicity is Peter Akuleyev?

    Hasbara?

    • Replies: @sanjoaquinsam
  94. @Paleo Liberal

    We Democrats who are immigration patriots do still exist.

    Unfortunately none of the twenty plus Democratic candidates who started the 2020 primary race met that criteria.

  95. @anon

    What race or ethnicity is Peter Akuleyev?

    Hasbara?

    LOL

    It is challenging to distinguish between Hasbara, ShareBlue, and Reagan Brigade concern trolls. It really doesn’t matter in my view because the money to pay them all comes from the same sources.

    And then there are Sailer’s Sad-Sacks. The sincere natural born losers–Eeyore types–that somehow are attracted to right-leaning politics. There truly is no hope for them.

  96. @nebulafox

    Obama was highly derisive of Hillary’s Libyan adventure in a 2016 interview with the editor of the Atlantic.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  97. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    This is a pathetically misinformed reading of events.

  98. SFG says:
    @restless94110

    He’s an extremely flawed human being who also happens to be the best chance for decreasing immigration levels in a very long time.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  99. @Prof. Woland

    Apparently the Ukraine is the hill the Democrats, the deep state have chosen to die on.

    The deep state, the media and most of the US government are technically dying on the hill of Yukos Oil and Hermitage Capital Management. Putin’s takedown of certain Russian oligarchs with large homes in Chelsea, the Upper East Side and connections with the City of London and Wall Street is not tolerated by CIA and MI6. I would not be surprised if the CIA and MI6 had some skin in the game with respect to the wealth of certain of the Russian oligarchs. Thus, here we are wading through the labyrinthian corruption and madness of Ukrainian and Russian politics.

    The rational and America First position is to treat Ukraine as a buffer zone between Russia and the already over extended NATO. Granting Russia a sphere of influence in Ukraine does not hinder American national security in the least, in fact, it enhances it. This is the wisest position for anyone with an inkling of understanding of Russian history over the last 1000 years.

    However, such a rational policy is anathema to American imperial policy and the egos of certain billionaires who want revenge on Putin personally and the Russian people generally.

    A tragic state of affairs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  100. Jack D says:
    @nebulafox

    The Republic not an Empire thing left the station a LONG time ago. As early as the Mexican War (1840s). Certainly by the time of the Spanish-American War. So fuggedaboutit – that’s not happening. The only way it’s happening is the way it happened to the British or the Russians – by running out of money. This is not a desirable outcome. If the choice it to keep the Empire and lose the Republic, then keeping the Empire is better. The only reason the British are not living under someone else’s empire is that they are now living in ours. The only thing more expensive than maintaining an empire is losing one.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  101. Alden says:
    @HammerJack

    I saw that. America is ruled by dictatorial judges.

  102. @Steve Sailer

    Obama was highly derisive of Hillary’s Libyan adventure in a 2016 interview with the editor of the Atlantic.

    Hillary’s Libyan Adventure? Wasn’t Obama the president at the time? Did he not authorize the aerial strikes on Libya? If Obama stood his ground, the French would have stood down. Was Obama too busy filling out his March Madness brackets to focus on the Libyan Civil War?

    Obama had the right instincts on Middle East interventions, but he lacked the Will to take on the Deep State and thus he supported the disastrous Libyan War. As we are learning from Trump’s experience, a president implementing an independent foreign policy is virtually impossible.

  103. Jack D says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Granting Russia a sphere of influence in Ukraine

    Do the Ukrainian people have any say in this or this something America bestows? A Russian sphere of influence involves massive corruption (see Yakunovych). Why should Ukrainians be forced to put up with this to make Moscow happy?

    Where else should we “grant” Moscow a sphere of influence? The Baltics? Poland? Norway? All of the ‘stans? Half of Germany? Do those people have any say in this? Being inside a Russian “sphere of influence” is like having a bad boyfriend who beats you up all the time and vows to kill you if you try to leave.


    Mural painted on the Berlin Wall of Brezhnev kissing Honecker of E. Germany (based on an actual photo)

    Caption reads:

    My God, Help Me to Survive This Deadly Love

  104. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I assume the Vindman twins are fluent in Ukrainian (and probably Russian too) so it’s pretty natural that they would end up specializing as experts on Ukraine. Would you prefer someone is ignorant of the language or culture? That we have a stock of such people is an American strength, not a weakness. Immigration does not bring unalloyed blessings but this is one of them. Given that we have immigration , we should at least take advantage of whatever benefits we can harvest from it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  105. @Mr. Anon

    At 2:10 on the BBC video, Daria Kaleniuk of the Anti-Corruption Action Centre claims that there is absolutely no evidence that Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating Burisma. You will see this NGO, Anti-Corruption Action Centre, quoted everywhere in connection The Ukrainian Affaire.

    But what about the affidavit that Shokin submitted to an Austrian Court in which Shokin swears under oath that his Office was investigating Burisma at the time of his firing? You would think that this might be of interest to Ms. Kaleniuk and the American media.

    Could Shokin be lying? Sure, but it seems like it is an issue at least worthy of further investigation. My general rule of thumb when dealing with Russians or Ukrainians is that everyone is likely lying to some extent.

    Anti-Corruption Action Centre is funded by USAID which is basically synonymous with a CIA slush fund. Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko, who succeeded Shokin after Biden held up a billion dollars until Shokin was removed from office, claims that Lutsenko’s office (remember he is supposed to be the Good Guy) was blocked by the US Embassy from investigating none other than Anti-Corruption Action Centre and wait for it…. George Soros. The Ukrainian Revolution of 2104 sort of looks like a text book CIA inspired and Soros funded revolution in the name of neoliberalism and NATO expansion. So there is some reason to question the independence of Anti-Corruption Action Centre.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435906-us-embassy-pressed-ukraine-to-drop-probe-of-george-soros-group-during-2016

  106. Alden says:
    @Whiskey

    Warren will target you personally and do those things because she disapproves of your comments about women.

  107. @Clifford Brown

    This list compares aggregate refugee numbers for each country (some of the numbers are Syrian refugee specific) with the per annum refugee number of the United States. These numbers appear to be purposely misleading to the reader.

    The U.S. has a refugee population of 0.84 per 1,000 inhabitants, and by this metric, it comes in at number 75 on the list of countries that accept the most refugees.

    And we all thought that the US was #1, based on the fact that the US has been, or had been, losing control of its southern border territories and that large swathes of territory were occupied by refugees causing a state of emergency.

    On February 15, 2019, President of the United States Donald Trump declared a National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States (Proclamation 9844), citing the National Emergencies Act, and ordered the diversion of billions of dollars of funds that had been appropriated to the U.S. Department of Defense to prevent the ongoing invasion of the United States.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  108. @SFG

    Then why do you talk shit about Trump? What’s wrong with you, man?

  109. @SFG

    Dude.

    What exactly is extremely flawed about him????????

    This maddening nonsense has to be strangled in its cradle. What exactly is flawed??????

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  110. @Jack D

    Do the Ukrainian people have any say in this or this something America bestows? A Russian sphere of influence involves massive corruption (see Yakunovych). Why should Ukrainians be forced to put up with this to make Moscow happy?

    Ukrainians are free to do what they please. This is a question of American policy which should be in American interests not those of the Azov Battalion. Without American military and financial aid, Ukraine would collapse within six weeks. So the United States does have some say in the matter and my say is to step back and do less.

    If Ukraine wants to go to war with Russia, good luck… Hope that works out.

    Where else should we “grant” Moscow a sphere of influence? The Baltics? Poland? Norway? All of the ‘stans? Half of Germany?

    Yes, this is a fair and unbiased reading of my comment.

    Ukraine has been a buffer territory between Europe and Russia over the past 800 to 1000 years. It largely has only existed at times when Russia was weak. Well, guess what, Russia is not weak anymore. The sensible position is to recognize that Ukraine is a buffer state to keep Russia and NATO apart. NATO expanding into Ukraine is a foolhardy and reckless exercise, offering minimal strategic advantages while unduly escalating tensions. There is a significant Russian population in Ukraine and this minority should be recognized and respected.

    As for the Berlin Wall, the Russians are not Communists anymore. The Kurds (who you surely also want to start a war with Russia over, am I starting to notice a trend?) are pretty much the last Communists left on the planet outside of North Korea.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  111. @Jonathan Mason

    So I guess this means that you are conceding that the refugee numbers you cited were intentionally misleading.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  112. @Clifford Brown

    So I guess this means that you are conceding that the refugee numbers you cited were intentionally misleading.

    The source I obtained the top ten from did not make it clear whether the figures were for one year, five years, ten years, or the total number of refugees present in 2016 since 1945 or 1918, for that matter.

    https://www.borgenmagazine.com/10-countries-that-accept-refugees/

    The figure for the US was for 2018 only, however by comparing the numbers, you can see that even if the numbers for the other countries are the total number of refugees still alive in those countries since World War II, at the current rate of increase it would take well over a hundred years for the US to have as many refugees as Jordan or Turkey–assuming that no refugee ever died,a nd 50 years to catch up with the Democratic Republic of Congo.

    Of course the US does not have the resources that countries like Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo have, so probably not a fair comparison. We help out as much as we can.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  113. @Gaius Gracchus

    Not just that, they disproportionately have found their ways into think tanks, journalism, NGOs and intelligence agencies- at even higher rates than the older waves of Jews. They are actively subverting our foreign policy and making it downright dangerous. The Russia hysteria is in some ways a continuation of their old grievances. They just got run-of-the-mill dimwitted liberals to get on board with them in stoking a neo Cold War because “muh gays” and “muh Nazi 2.0 Putin dictator.”

  114. @Jack D

    Ukrainians or the Baltic states have every right to avoid a Russian sphere of influence if they truly don’t want to be in it. But that’s their own responsibility & in their own strategic interests, not America’s. They should invest in their militaries more, or consolidate somehow, if they want to deter Russia.

    The Irish got beat up by the British Empire for centuries. No one helped them get out of that toxic relationship- they did it themselves, however tumultuously.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
  115. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nah, Amos J. Hochstein siphoning off USAID bennies to buy Russian nat gas and sell it to Ukrainians as “foreign aid,” not as if they have their own LNG deposits, the state firm for which has him as an appointed “international overseer” on their board– protecting that kind of scam is the essence of Nationalist/Altright ideology

  116. @Jack D

    You’re getting this commentariat wrong. Old stock Americans (who aren’t Southerners, who have always been a breed to themselves) probably like Vindman and are more anti-Trump on average than other white Americans. Most of the commentators here seem to be various stripes of white ethnic, though there are a few who fetishize WASPS. I don’t know why they do, considering WASPs (while being extremely good at creating high-trust pleasant societies) have long held a tendency towards destructive puritanical “fire and brimstone” leftist beliefs, dating back to the time of Cromwell, continuing into the American Revolution, abolitionist era, manifest destiny, Spanish-American war etc.

    Also probably over half of the people on here actually kind of like Sanders, or at the least find him preferable to other Democrats.

    They are only questioning Vindman’s loyalty because he was literally born in Ukraine and seems to be interfering in our foreign policy to ensure that it remains pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia. If he were even 3 generations in the U.S they’d just dislike him for partisan reasons.

    Also few people on here truly care about the draft or Purple Hearts. Again, just read the comments. This is not as stereotypically right-wing of a place as you think. You appear to believe it is still 2004, fundamentally misunderstanding the reasons Trump was able to win the Presidency in the first place.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Authenticjazzman
  117. @S. Anonyia

    WWI and American public opinion kind of helped.

  118. Hail says: • Website
    @Peter Akuleyev

    As res noted also above, this is a case of a remarkable split in ‘Reaction’ button. As of this writing, there were ten ‘Reactions’ to this anti-Trump Peter Akuleyev comment, of which 1 was ‘Agree,’ 3 were ‘Disagree,’ 3 were ‘LOL,’ and 3 were Troll.’

    I’ve noticed that ‘Troll’ sometimes denotes “Super Disagree,” while use of ‘LOL’ sometimes denotes mockery (laughing “at” them, rather than laughing “with” them; the latter is probably the majority of cases but not by much) which is thus also a kind of disagreement.

    So the meta-data from the ten ‘Reactions’ suggests the commentariat is strongly against this comment. This info can be had by the time-pressed reader in five seconds.

    A quick reading of the 16 comment-replies suggest also a ratio of about ten-to-one against, which is in line with the Reaction button data.

    So the Reaction button works.

  119. @Jonathan Mason

    The source I obtained the top ten from did not make it clear whether the figures were for one year, five years, ten years, or the total number of refugees present in 2016 since 1945 or 1918, for that matter.

    So basically useless. One might go so far as to say dishonest.

    The figure for the US was for 2018 only, however by comparing the numbers, you can see that even if the numbers for the other countries are the total number of refugees still alive in those countries since World War II, at the current rate of increase it would take well over a hundred years for the US to have as many refugees as Jordan or Turkey–assuming that no refugee ever died,a nd 50 years to catch up with the Democratic Republic of Congo.

    Garbage in, garbage out. What are you even comparing?

    The United States takes in refugees, but even more asylum seekers and immigrants. Most of these other countries do not make similar distinctions. The United States took in ten times as many asylum seekers as refugees in the last few years, but they do not count towards the total because of reasons….

    The children and grandchildren of refugees in the United States are citizens of the United States . In contrast, there are multigenerational populations of refugees in Lebanon and Turkey. There are hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon who were born in Lebanon and have never set foot in Palestine.

    These metrics are completely skewed because of how the term “refugee” is defined differently in each country.

    Of course the US does not have the resources that countries like Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, Pakistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo have, so probably not a fair comparison. We help out as much as we can.

    The United States simply has to accept the sad fact the we will never be able to reach the heights of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Oh, well…

    Regardless, Syrian refugees should live with their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters in countries where they can easily be repatriated to their homeland once their nation is unified. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States could easily take Syrian refugees into their countries instead of importing Pakistanis and Filipinos.

    Refugee settlement is basically a big NGO boondoggle that has taken on a life of its own. It is a multi-billion dollar business that benefits neither the refugees nor the citizens of the host countries.

    Time to pull the plug on these rogue human smuggling operations.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  120. Jack D says:
    @S. Anonyia

    So all this stuff about “Founding Stock” Americans and “they all have to go back” is all in my imagination and no one on unz says this?

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
  121. Jack D says:
    @Clifford Brown

    You had it right the 1st time. We saw what it was like in Syria. Power abhors a vacuum. The minute the US steps aside, the Russian tanks will be in Kiev the next day.

  122. @Jack D

    No one? Who gives a sh$t about a few comments. Are you suggesting it’s most commenters at iSteve? Because if so your comprehension — about many things — is severely lacking. The only person who constantly says ‘they all have to go back’ all the time is dear Corvy, who is using it as an attack on commenters here, probably to insinuate we all like alt-right Vox Day, who doesn’t even live in America anymore, but Italy. I still live in my native land — America — and American nationalism long predated the alt-right — lots of us nationalists are not alt-right — and was formed when no one here gave a sh$t about the Jews anyway. The Jewish people were never important in the formation of my nation, and they should neither be hated nor loved, nor excused in behavior, for merely being Jewish. I have served in combat too, and Vindman is an excellent example of the failure of immigration: he served with honorable American men and women for decades and was concerned when… what? A legitimate president has a legally allowed agenda with Vindman’s NATIVE country Vindman doesn’t personally like? Disgusting. Simply disgusting.

  123. MBlanc46 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I won’t waste my Troll on this troll.

  124. MBlanc46 says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    “Major Dem players really could end up in prison”. In another possible world, maybe. It’s conceivable, though perhaps not likely, that President Trump could wind up in prison after he leaves the presidency—one way or another—but a big time Dem? C’est trop.

  125. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    I assume the Vindman twins are fluent in Ukrainian (and probably Russian too) so it’s pretty natural that they would end up specializing as experts on Ukraine.

    They claim their father wanted them to completely assimilate in America. They came here when they were – what? three years old or so – and yet they are fluent.

    Would you prefer someone is ignorant of the language or culture?

    Maybe. I’d like them to represent real American interests. Although it isn’t a given that the Vindmans don’t, it isn’t clear that they do either.

    That we have a stock of such people is an American strength, not a weakness.

    No, it really isn’t. Lots of countries get by fine without it. In fact, they do better than we do – at being actual countries that is, rather than being a busy-body empire.

    • Replies: @inertial
  126. The president, by and large, has plenary powers to set and implement foreign policy, so how in Hell can he subvert it? By arguing with himself in the mirror, like Willem Defoe’s Green Goblin?!

    This is like accusing father of trying to undermine the way in which his child is raised….

  127. inertial says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    Majority of Soviet Jews are right wing, race realist, and huge Trump supporters. You don’t see that because American system filters out people like that before they could rise to the top.

    Vindman came to America as a toddler and has zero connections with the old country. Saying that he does is just a dumb talking point. Whatever Vindman is now, it was entirely shaped by the American education system, American military, and the American foreign policy establishment.

  128. inertial says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I highly doubt Vindman is fluent in Russian or Ukrainian, and if he is he probably learned it at an American institution. And yes, he is fully assimilated — into the Blob.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  129. Nickvegas says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    How does the UN define refugee, and what does that magical body say about refugees staying as close to their home country as possible, during their time in ‘refugee’ status.
    Based on who the US takes in as refugees and in the numbers we do, one would think the UN has no guidelines for refugees.

  130. @istevefan

    So both Jim Hickman and his then boss claim that Vindman was running down/slagging off the USA in front of both US and foreign soldiers?

    Regardless, after hearing him bash America a few times in front of subordinates, Russians, & GS Employees, as well as, hearing an earful about globalization, Obama’s plan, etc…I’d had enough. I tapped him on the shoulder & asked him to step outside. At that point I verbally reprimanded him for his actions, & I’ll leave it at that, so as not to be unprofessional myself. The bottom-line is LTC Vindman was a partisan Democrat at least as far back as 2012. So much so, junior officers & soldiers felt uncomfortable around him. This is. not your professional, field-grade officer, who has the character & integrity to do the right thing. Do not let the uniform fool you…he is a political activist in uniform.

    Jim, I remember exercise ATLAS VISION and this incident. I was your Boss at the time and was satisfied when you told me that you “took care of it” (meaning then MAJ Vindman’s disparaging comments about the U.S. to the Russians ) and I just put things together this past week.

  131. @S. Anonyia

    ” They are only questioning Vindmans loyality because he was literally born in Ukraine”

    Total bullshit, and you have no clue as to what you are talking about.They are questioning his loyality only regarding his crazy assertions which are complete fabrications anyway, and they do not give a rat’s ass as to where he was born.

    Secondly, probably 99% of Army officers are Republicans and he will have a tough go if he desires to contiune his military career. I will assume that none of his army comrades will ever speak to him again, outside of duty issues.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz performer. ( next gig tomorrow evening)

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  132. @restless94110

    ” What exactly is flawed”

    You will never get a rational answer out of them to this question, as they are simply concocting crazy-ass lies such as “He is destroying democracy”, and when you ask them just “how” is he destroying democracy they double-talk and squirm their way out of the issue.

    AJM

    • Replies: @restless94110
  133. Kyle says:

    Trump clearly violated the zeroeth amendment to the constitution. Which states that Ukraine is entitled to defense funding and if the president interferes with that in any way he is a treasonous commie bastard. To be serious I didn’t know that asking Ukraine to investigate joe Biden was a crime. It seems like sensible foreign policy to me, unless the entire Biden ukraine scandal is contrived then it’s just all nonsense. Is this the dumbest scandal yet? No the Russian collusion scandal was much, much dumber. This one at least makes trump look ungentlemanly, soliciting litigation behind his opponents back. It also makes trump look dumb because Biden has zero chance in the primaries. If the house impeaches him and finds him guilty of being bad and orange, it would all have been for naught.

  134. Jack D says:
    @inertial

    If you have two immigrant parents then chances are they speak to each other in their native language at home and that their children can speak and understand it also, at least at some level. Many immigrant parents want their kids to have an attachment to their culture and they also send them to after school programs to study their native language and culture.

    • Replies: @inertial
  135. @Jack D

    Right, Purple Heart recipient Vindman who has dedicated (almost lost) his life to US military service has little attachment to USA but you do.

    Oh please. He is a staff type that was hurt in a car bombing. Its not like he was out on patrol with actual soldiers. He’s no different than some bureaucrat in DC getting in a car accident on the beltway.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  136. @Anonymous

    What race or ethnicity is Peter Akuleyev?

    Some brand of foreigner.

    He once claimed he was a “founding stock American”…Right. With a name like Akuleyev. I suppose he means “founding” in the sense the Statue-of-Immigration-Americans mean: their ancestors arriving in the late 1800’s.

  137. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Where did you find these details? All I know is that he was wounded by an IED (roadside bomb) attack in Iraq. You wouldn’t find me within a thousand miles of Iraq in a staff or any other position and he volunteered to go there so that puts him way ahead of me and I suspect many of those denigrating him too. If Vindman was a Trump supporter, Trump himself would be touting him as a hero even if he got his Purple Heart from a paper cut when he was reloading a Xerox machine at the Pentagon. I guess politics was always personal but it’s really gotten worse lately – you used to be able to disagree with a man without the need to demolish his character and integrity, but no more it seems.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  138. @Jack D

    You wouldn’t find me within a thousand miles of Iraq in a staff or any other position and he volunteered to go there so that puts him way ahead of me

    Army officers don’t “volunteer”, he was assigned. Also, his Purple Heart is not relevant to his current role, and as we saw with John McCain, having one is no barrier to being a complete and utter scoundrel.

    …you used to be able to disagree with a man without the need to demolish his character and integrity, but no more it seems.

    He demolished his own character and integrity when he decided to become a partisan Democrat while he was supposed to be outwardly apolitical. He demolished his own character and integrity when he disregarded his oath, which is to uphold the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it specify the intelligence agencies (to include Army intelligence) are a 4th branch of government that are in charge of foreign policy.

    FFS, he’s just a LTC. The arrogance of an LTC to publicly assert a right to disagree with the President on foreign policy is beyond belief. The fact he not only felt he had the right to do so, but that’s he’s so brazen as to testify as such says a lot about how out of control the “intelligence community” is. In a just world, he’d be court-martialed, then deported. As it is, we’ll just have to settle for his career being effectively over.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  139. @Authenticjazzman

    You are exactly right. It’s similar to calling people like Andy Ngo a “grifter” after Antifa beat his head in and stole his stuff. Ngo is the grifter.

    Insane.

  140. @Authenticjazzman

    I seriously doubt 99 percent of Army officers Trump-supporting Republicans. Probably closer to 60 percent, with an additional 20-25 percent being deranged NeverTrumper Bush-era neocon holdovers. Source: observations from army officers among my in-laws extended family, and former college friends. A small number are even Democrats.

    You misunderstood me. The fact that Vindman is born in Ukraine is RELEVANT and is a legitimate reason to question his loyalty and decision-making. I’m with you that he is exaggerating and/or fabricating information. Ukrainian-born guy with beef against the Soviet Union because they drove his family out of their home, grew up speaking Ukrainian, lived in Little Odessa and focuses on Eurasian studies & Ukrainian issues throughout his military/intelligence/state department career. You don’t think he might be angry about the possibility of his homeland not getting the money to defend itself against Russia, whom he probably equates with the big bad Soviets who mistreated his family? I’m sure Vindman likes the U.S. But he seems to like Ukraine almost as much, and that is a problem for a national security apparatchik working to further our interests in that part of the world. He has built in biases which are a liability to us. If he were a 3rd generation Ukrainian there would be less of a problem.

  141. inertial says:
    @Jack D

    If his parents spoke Russian to each other (I guarantee it was not Ukrainian) he’s understand it on “some level.” That level would be very low. He’d be able to follow a conversation in a store but not a news program, let alone something more complicated like a play… or diplomatic negotiation.

    If his parents had sent him to an afterschool program, it would’ve been a Jewish one, not Russian.

  142. @Clifford Brown

    You’ve got old Jonathan dead to rights there, Clifford.

    I’ll take J.M. Is Mendacious for $1000, Alex.

    I’ve had my doubts concerning his contributions ere now, but the B.S. in this thread has removed all doubt. Gamey statistics, industrial-strength concern trolling about who should be the Republican presidential candidate in 2020…clarity.

  143. Corvinus says:
    @William Badwhite

    “He demolished his own character and integrity when he decided to become a partisan Democrat while he was supposed to be outwardly apolitical. He demolished his own character and integrity when he disregarded his oath, which is to uphold the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it specify the intelligence agencies (to include Army intelligence) are a 4th branch of government that are in charge of foreign policy.”

    LOL, no. A number of people testified under oath in a constitutionally bound process regarding Trump’s malfeasance. If Obama had engaged in exactly the same conduct, the Republicans would be calling for him to hang. The fact of the matter is that no matter is said by the opposition, it will always be “Fake News” to you. Why? Because you are a slave to confirmation bias. Privately, Republicans have been saying that Trump is in legal and constitutional trouble. Publicly, they support him. Why? Because they are afraid of the political party breaking apart. The walls are closing in on Trump. Hate fact, to be sure.

  144. Corvinus says:

    “So, the Deep State wants to replace Trump with Pence rather than wait for an election.”

    Yet you know better since you read Seth Abramson’s books. However, it is nearing Christmas, and you do need your till to be filled by your adoring fans.

    So, I guess, stay cagey!

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