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From the New York Times:

‘Black Panther’ Brings Hope, Hype and Pride
By SALAMISHAH TILLET FEB. 9, 2018

But the excitement has also been fueled by the origin story of the African superhero.

Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Black Panther was the first black superhero in mainstream comics, making his debut in Marvel’s Fantastic Four No. 52 in 1966. …

In many ways, Black Panther is part of a current wave of black superheroes, like Netflix’s Luke Cage and CW’s Black Lightning. But “Black Panther” has the setting of Wakanda, a fictional African country that is wealthy (thanks to vibranium, a mineral with energy-manipulating qualities) and technologically advanced. Part of the movie’s emotional and visual appeal lies in the fact that Wakanda has never been colonized.

Wakenda looks fine, but I don’t really get all the excitement

“Wakanda is a kind of black utopia in our fight against colonialism and imperial control of black land and black people by white people,” said Deirdre Hollman, a founder of the annual Black Comic Book Festival at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem. “To the black imagination, that means everything. In a comic book, it is a reality, and through a major motion picture, it’s even more tangibly and artistically a reality that we can explore for ourselves. There’s so much power that’s drawn from the notion that there was a community, a nation that resisted colonization and infiltration and subjugation.”

Where have we heard the term “infiltration?”

For Frederick Joseph, a marketing consultant who created the #BlackPantherChallenge, a GoFundMe campaign to buy tickets so youngsters can see “Black Panther” in theaters, the complexity of Wakanda takes on new meaning in our current moment. Compared with President Trump’s disparagement of Haiti and African nations, he said, “You have Wakanda as a place of Afro-futurism, of what African nations can be or what they could have been and still be had colonialism not taken place.” …

In this sense, “Black Panther” is as much an alternative to our contemporary racial discourse as it is a throwback, not only a desire for what could have been but also a nostalgia for what we once had. “I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this movie appears precisely in a moment in which our politics seems inescapable,” Mr. Gray said, adding later that “Black Panther” should be understood in a political context in which both the legal gains of the civil rights movement and the interracial optimism of the Obama era have been undermined.

For Marc Bernardin, an author of the comic book “Genius” and host of the podcast “Fatman on Batman” with the director Kevin Smith, the movie taps into “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again. A time where devaluation of young black life wasn’t as stark and awful as it feels like it is right now.”

Simply going to the movie can be interpreted as a small gesture of protest and a grand expression of cultural pride. …

In Oakland, Calif., LaDawn James Williams originally intended to fly to New York to see it with her college friends from Howard University. Instead she plans to host a “Black Panther” screening for her local chapter of Jack and Jill of America. She, her husband, and their 9-year-old daughter and 7-year-old son will watch it with more than 90 other African-American families in a private viewing.

I’ve got a new, quite different theory about the cultural/political roots of Wakanda Worship, but maybe I’ll hold it back while I work on it for a few days.

 
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  1. Let me guess.

    It’s like a black Israel. Unfortunately, the real thing has no Vibranium, although I’ve read they discovered natural gas.

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    Vibranium? Wasn’t that in the bomb the Enola Gay dropped on Detroit? (I was a history major at Wayne State.)
    , @Rifleman

    I’ve got a new, quite different theory about the cultural/political roots of Wakanda Worship, but maybe I’ll hold it back while I work on it for a few days.
     
    Put the theory in context with the massive success of Jordan Peele's "Get Out" movie, Michele Obama's "I'm finally proud of my country" comment with her husband's election and the Trayvon Martin hoax and Barack saying " That could have been me or my son".

    They are all clearly related narratives.

    If you really want to get scary you can point out that humans didn't evolve from panthers in Africa.

    It was a very different kind of "black" animal and explain why that is far more disturbing than this comic book fantasy.
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  2. anon • Disclaimer says:

    In this sense, “Black Panther” is as much an alternative to our contemporary racial discourse as it is a throwback, not only a desire for what could have been but also a nostalgia for what we once had.

    Jesus Christ, these people…

    If this was anything like what Africa was like before colonization, how were we able to colonize them? Did their magic Iron Man suits all short out the day before we got there?

    “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again.

    I’ve mentioned before that I still haven’t noticed the world being much more “on fire” than it was two or three years ago, and wondering when the reality of all their failed predictions was going to catch up with these morons.

    But I guess the answer to that is probably “never”, since I now know that pretty much all Democratic voters think comic books actually are real. It’s not what I would have hoped for, but at least now the issue is out there, and can be discussed.

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    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    They're doubling down on their MO, which is to summon the desired reality through group chanting. It's gonna get real weird before it's over...
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    That isn't a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    Colonialism can be broken down into a simple equation: Superior Military power+ Local Elite cooptation.
    , @Anonymous
    PREDICTION:

    If/when the liberal elites who are gushing over 'The Black Panther' actually go to see it, they will go to a predominantly white movie theater.

    , @Olorin
    If I am not mistaken--and it is likely, given how few neurons I allow to touch any of this topic--the Kevin Smith quoted there is the same guy who directed Dogma and envisioned god as a blank-faced hippie chick. (His multicultural superhero comic book version of the second coming. Or something. I never quite got it. Though in the entire movie there was one line I found poignant and memorable.)

    If this guy, he has been casting around for meaning in his life ever since his popes threw him and people like him under the bus starting in the '60s and '70s to indulge in guitar masses, footwashing, Third World people trafficking, real estate speculation, and child-bothering.

    Not surprising he'd be devastated by any challenge to his own (carefully implanted) worship of black blackity blackness. In the larger sense that's the goal of the infotainment cathedragogue, innit?


    a nostalgia for what we once had
     
    I'll just let that float there.
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  3. The Roots of our day. This generation is about more unmoored from reality than any other in all of history.

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    " This generation is about more unmoored from reality than any other in all of history."

    Yeah. Roots was plagiarized from a book by Harold Courlander (apparently the original was better but I can't say, I never read it), but at least it was based on something that actually happened, however distorted.

    Black Panther is a superhero movie, a fantasy and a sci-fi movie all wrapped into one. I'd be interested in seeing someone evaluate the movie with clear eyes taking that issue into account. Superhero movies have elements of fantasy, and sometimes sci-fi, but the genres are separate and distinct. This movie appears to be all three at once. How does it juggle those elements?
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  5. Go to Ethiopia, it was never colonized. And how did that turn out?

    Switch the colours and this would be white supremacists dreaming.

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    Mungo Park went into Africa pretty much before it was colonized. The first time he was lucky to come out without the shirt on his back. His mistake was going in a second time.
    , @Almost Missouri
    Indeed. And even much of "colonized" Africa was only colonized on paper. Most of the "colonization" (by Arabs and Europeans) was really just coastal trading entrepôts. Southern Africa and Northern Algeria were the exceptions in that Europeans actually settled in numbers on the land and cultivated it. But much of the colonization of Africa existed only as lines on maps in foreign capitals. Africa is a very large continent. The common Mercator projection maps camouflage its size. And most of Africa never saw a European or Arab. Even today there are parts where no non-African has ever set foot.

    "Part of the movie’s emotional and visual appeal lies in the fact that Wakanda has never been colonized."
     
    It's too bad that Salamishah doesn't actually know much about Africa. But I guess that being an "activist, social critic, and media personality, and an associate professor of English and Africana Studies" (per Wikipedia) doesn't leave much time for learning stuff.
    , @a reader
    Ethiopia was occupied by Italy from 1935 to 1941/43.

    Liberia proclaimed its independence in 1847 and has since been a hugely successful country.
    , @Big Bill
    Hell, go to Liberia. It was colonized by African Americans, and we know how that turned out.

    African American colonists were run out of Liberia with their tails between their legs by the local Krahn people and skedaddled back to the United States where white folks take care of them and keep them safe.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Hmmmm.... Call it "The White Wolf" in the land of Hyperborea, and the magic resource is hard work, discipline, and inventiveness...
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  6. I want to know if this movie is any good. When’s your review Steve?

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    When is the movie coming out?
    , @Steve Sailer
    When is the movie coming out?
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  7. Hope, Hype and Pride

    I expect those involved would be happy if it just sold a lot of tickets — which is maybe what this is all about — you think? — the “hope” and “hype” parts anyway.

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    I don't know, but I think the "buying a bunch of tickets for underprivileged kids" thing is a pretty transparent way to boost the opening weekend box office.
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  8. @anon
    I want to know if this movie is any good. When's your review Steve?

    When is the movie coming out?

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    February 16

    If you ever want to check out when a film is coming out, this is a great source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&date=2018-02-16&p=.htm
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  9. @anon
    I want to know if this movie is any good. When's your review Steve?

    When is the movie coming out?

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    When you do go to review a movie, you don't take a pad and pen and take notes do you? If you forget details from the movie when writing your review, do you go see the movie again?
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  10. @Steve Sailer
    When is the movie coming out?

    When you do go to review a movie, you don’t take a pad and pen and take notes do you? If you forget details from the movie when writing your review, do you go see the movie again?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "When you do go to review a movie, you don’t take a pad and pen and take notes do you?"

    I did for the first year or so, but my notes were usually illegible. Plus, my notes often consisted of me complaining about aspects of the movie -- e.g., "Second drugdealer actor bad casting - looks like [illegible] educated strait shooter, not criminal!!!" -- but then it turned out I had totally fallen for a plot twist -- "Oh, he FBI undercover agent. Never mind."

    It was useful to me to have a real time record of my mistakes to show me that Hollywood movie makers are actually pretty smart at manipulating me. But after a while I didn't need more reminding.

    , @johnmark7
    I tried a pen that had a green little flashlight at the tip (airplane pilots use them at night to protect their night vision), but the pen itself was lousy at writing. Then I got a small flashlight with a green lens that I cupped in my left hand as I wrote with my right. I was very discreet about shading the light as much as I could but I remember some people complaining to the PR people running the screening about my dim light annoying them and they were told that the only reason they were there was because critics like me were there. So shut up. The screening was for me and not them. Their being let in was merely a courtesy.
    , @BB753
    Nowadays movies are so predictable you don't even have to watch them in order to grasp their content. So predictable that you can actually sleep through the screening of the movie. Being an intelligent reviewer, I bet that's what Steve Sailer does: enjoy a well-deserved rest from blogging by taking a nap at the movies. Movie reviews write themselves.
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  12. “…should be understood in a political context in which both the legal gains of the civil rights movement and the interracial optimism of the Obama era have been undermined.”

    So they’re saying that blacks would have been better off without Obama and without the Civil “””Rights””” movement? Well, far be it from me to argue…

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  13. For Marc Bernardin, an author of the comic book “Genius” and host of the podcast “Fatman on Batman” with the director Kevin Smith, the movie taps into “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again. A time where devaluation of young black life wasn’t as stark and awful as it feels like it is right now.”

    Wait, didn’t the most horrific examples of the devaluation of young black life, the brutal murders of St. Trayvon, St. Mike and St. Freddie occur during the presidency of our enlightened racial healer? And the resulting on-fireness of Ferguson, Baltimore, and all the rest?

    They never stop pumping out the narrative and bending it to their current purposes, the NYT and their ilk and whatever “representative of the black community” they can get to editorialize it. And with the release of Black Panther coming up in a week us white privileged get gifted with extra doses of blackity-black.

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    They never stop pumping out the narrative and bending it to their current purposes,

    The narrative arc of the universe is long but it bends toward our current purpose.
    , @Twodees Partain
    I've often wondered where the "black community" is, but all I can come up with is those blighted areas in cities where there's an MLK Boulevard. Maybe that's what they mean when they mention the "black community",.
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  14. Afro-futurism, of what African nations can be or what they could have been and still be had colonialism not taken place.” …

    Is the science settled now?

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  15. I wonder how this movie will do in China.

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    I wonder how this movie will do in Africa?
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  16. Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Black Panther was the first black superhero in mainstream comics, making his debut in Marvel’s Fantastic Four No. 52 in 1966.

    If Black Panther is about black pride and such, how do they square it with the fact that, a) it’s fiction, and b) it wasn’t even created by blacks?

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    Correction: created by Stanley Martin Lieber and Jacob Kurtzberg.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Call off your white man's logic.
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  17. Clap harder! If you all clap really hard Wakanda will come into existence, a perfect black kingdom! Clap to show you believe!

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  18. @Half Canadian
    Go to Ethiopia, it was never colonized. And how did that turn out?

    Switch the colours and this would be white supremacists dreaming.

    Mungo Park went into Africa pretty much before it was colonized. The first time he was lucky to come out without the shirt on his back. His mistake was going in a second time.

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    Now you're misrepresenting history. He got ill and would not have survived if he wasn't treated by the Natives. Your sentence structure makes it seem like the barbarians tried to barbecue him.

    You might not understand the consuming pull of ambition, but he felt he had to fulfil his, no judging on my part.
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  19. Here is an interesting Chinese trailer for Black Panther. I can’t tell if this trailer was Chinese exclusive or not.

    I don’t necessarily think it will be a blow-out in China since it’s colourful, interesting and different and has attractive actors with good screen presence. (I do find the overpraise to be obvious but I’d say it has a chance based on the trailers to be in the top 3 Marvel movies, maybe top 2) But I do find it interesting how they’re producing an international trailer saying “Hey, remember all those films you liked? This thing is definitely connected to them!” but then maybe they’d have done the same with Doctor Strange and Ant-Man if either of them had had a few references or connections over the years.

    It may also be due to Wakanda playing a big part in the next Avengers film coming out in May and they want the audience to either see Black Panther or have a better idea of what the hell is going on for what I assume they’re aiming to be the biggest grossing film of all time.

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    I thought Black Panther would be replete with Blacksploitation goodness, but no, it appears to be on the level of Pacific Rim, Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey, the entire Harry Potter series and whatever-they-called-the-name-escapes-me-that-last-excuse of a Star Wars movie?

    Pacific Rim -- no, you cannot pilot a Mecha solo, a dude has to "share his feelings" to co-pilot the robot with some geek Asian lady.

    Twilight -- no honey, I know you don't want to listen to your mother, but I don't care how sweet he is, he is a vampire and this is not going to work long term.

    Fifty Shades of Grey -- your down-the-hall neighbor in your apartment block is a billionaire who likes to torture women who would rather offer him as much sex as he wants to have? Get real, your down-the-hall neighbor is a computer programmer with acne and problem dandruff who hasn't made it to "first base" with a girl.

    Harry Potter -- no, wizards aren't real so just do your homework before you go to bed.

    Star Wars -- 'nuff said?


    All of these films are based on feminist fantasies where the world (or people or human nature) is reimagined to fulfil those fantasies. That Black Panther pulls a (male) black fantasy down to the level of the movies I mentioned, that is so very, very sad. Don't the black men associated with the project have a sense of self respect as men?
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  20. @Anonymous
    When you do go to review a movie, you don't take a pad and pen and take notes do you? If you forget details from the movie when writing your review, do you go see the movie again?

    “When you do go to review a movie, you don’t take a pad and pen and take notes do you?”

    I did for the first year or so, but my notes were usually illegible. Plus, my notes often consisted of me complaining about aspects of the movie — e.g., “Second drugdealer actor bad casting – looks like [illegible] educated strait shooter, not criminal!!!” — but then it turned out I had totally fallen for a plot twist — “Oh, he FBI undercover agent. Never mind.”

    It was useful to me to have a real time record of my mistakes to show me that Hollywood movie makers are actually pretty smart at manipulating me. But after a while I didn’t need more reminding.

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  21. @Steve Sailer
    When is the movie coming out?

    February 16

    If you ever want to check out when a film is coming out, this is a great source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&date=2018-02-16&p=.htm

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    So why did all the reviews come out this week instead of next week like normal?
    , @SteveRogers42
    I would plan to go see it here, if'n they ever put in one o' them movin'-picture theatres:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wauconda%2C_Washington
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  22. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    February 16

    If you ever want to check out when a film is coming out, this is a great source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&date=2018-02-16&p=.htm

    So why did all the reviews come out this week instead of next week like normal?

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    So you know the acceptable reaction to seeing it.
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  23. @Ripple Earthdevil

    For Marc Bernardin, an author of the comic book “Genius” and host of the podcast “Fatman on Batman” with the director Kevin Smith, the movie taps into “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again. A time where devaluation of young black life wasn’t as stark and awful as it feels like it is right now.”
     
    Wait, didn't the most horrific examples of the devaluation of young black life, the brutal murders of St. Trayvon, St. Mike and St. Freddie occur during the presidency of our enlightened racial healer? And the resulting on-fireness of Ferguson, Baltimore, and all the rest?

    They never stop pumping out the narrative and bending it to their current purposes, the NYT and their ilk and whatever "representative of the black community" they can get to editorialize it. And with the release of Black Panther coming up in a week us white privileged get gifted with extra doses of blackity-black.

    They never stop pumping out the narrative and bending it to their current purposes,

    The narrative arc of the universe is long but it bends toward our current purpose.

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  24. Given how most people think blacks are 1/3rd of America’s populace thanks to pop culture , one might question the premise. The reality is more like 10-15% of the US, depending on whether you count African and/or West Indian immigrants too. Relative to their numbers, they are over-represented in the media.

    Of course, depending on the area of the country, given how population works in the US, blacks could be as much as anything from making up the whole neighborhood to being nonexistent. (Baltimore having a black mayor and a half-black police force are entirely appropriate, given the demographics of the city, for example.) But this kind of nuance, I suspect, is not what he is getting at.

    >“Wakanda is a kind of black utopia in our fight against colonialism and imperial control of black land and black people by white people,”

    When they stopped fighting their normal mortal enemies in real life, other Africans, that is, to band against the foreign presence. Much like Scots and Germans in classical antiquity, really.

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    I'm always skeptical of the "most people think" line of reasoning...but then, my parents Christened me "Obsessive Contrarian." :)

    It's not a strange misconception to harbor. Most of our major cities now have a majority black population and their presence is very obvious, whereas in the old days, as my father used to say, "they were contained."

    Now they are out of the barn. And runnin' wild.

    Anyway, I see an opportunity here for an enterprising fellow to sell a lot of "Blaxit" tickets to gullible blacks while they still have stars in their eyes after seeing this flick.

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  25. @anon

    In this sense, “Black Panther” is as much an alternative to our contemporary racial discourse as it is a throwback, not only a desire for what could have been but also a nostalgia for what we once had.
     
    Jesus Christ, these people...

    If this was anything like what Africa was like before colonization, how were we able to colonize them? Did their magic Iron Man suits all short out the day before we got there?


    “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again.
     
    I've mentioned before that I still haven't noticed the world being much more "on fire" than it was two or three years ago, and wondering when the reality of all their failed predictions was going to catch up with these morons.

    But I guess the answer to that is probably "never", since I now know that pretty much all Democratic voters think comic books actually are real. It's not what I would have hoped for, but at least now the issue is out there, and can be discussed.

    They’re doubling down on their MO, which is to summon the desired reality through group chanting. It’s gonna get real weird before it’s over…

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  26. @Steve Sailer
    So why did all the reviews come out this week instead of next week like normal?

    So you know the acceptable reaction to seeing it.

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  27. Wakanda is a beacon of hope…..

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    YT doesn't deserve to live on the same planet with Wakandans....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900071-wakanda_t_chaka_bp_v4_issue_3__un.jpg
    , @Kylie
    This is a parody, right?
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Why do they have straight hair and purple skin?
    , @fitzGetty
    ... DNA from bone ash !! ...
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  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Shaka seems to have been on the path to creating a Zulu wakanda before his brother killed him. Combining his ruthlessness and his willingness to learn from whites, it isn’t a huge leap to see a powerful Zulu kingdom dominating interior Southern Africa, with no Boer presence, and other Bantu tribes subjugated (although Cyril Ramaphosa’s current timidity shows how wary other blacks still are of this outcome).

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    It's almost like there was a novel about that published in 1885.
    , @syonredux

    Shaka seems to have been on the path to creating a Zulu wakanda before his brother killed him.
     
    Minus the super-tech, one assumes.....

    Combining his ruthlessness
     
    You ain't whistling dixie.....

    Mfecane (1818-1840), and the reign of Shaka (1816-1828) 1 500,000

    Henry Francis Flynn: more than 1,000,000 deaths caused by Shaka's wars.
    George Theal, History of South Africa (1915): 2,000,000
    The diary of Henry Francis Fynn, 1838, p.20: “The numbers whose death he occasioned have been left to conjecture, but exceed a million.”
    Major Charters, Royal Artillery, “Notices Of The Cape And Southern Africa, Since The Appointment, As Governor, Of Major-Gen. Sir Geo. Napier.” United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine, London: W. Clowes and Son, 1839, Part III, p.24: “Chaka may be termed the South African Attila; and it is estimated that not less than 1,000,000 human beings were destroyed by him"
    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, “Shaka”, v.10. p.689 (“… left 2,000,000 dead in its wake.”)
    Donald R. Morris, The Washing of the Spears, p.60 ("At least a million people, and more likely two, died in a decade that virtually depopulated" the interior.)
     
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  29. @syonredux
    Wakanda is a beacon of hope.....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900119-wakanda_cure_for_cancer_black_panther_v4_issue_3.jpg

    YT doesn’t deserve to live on the same planet with Wakandans….

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    Wakanda will reach the stars.....


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    , @nebulafox
    Ah, the typical Hollywood spiel: terming things in profit or self-interest == BAD and low-class... everybody should live in a Platonic realm where only the wise give out gifts to those who have sufficiently detached themselves from such banal concerns. Perhaps we shall eventually cease to be human at all. Such a flatulent view of the world for the mediocre to think of themselves as wise sages. Reminds me of why I despise hippies.

    I think one of the ideas that has really screwed up the United States is the idea that emotions, in and of themselves, are good or evil. The actions that we undertake because of them would be. What you do with them might be. The emotions themselves? Hate, anger, jealousy, greed, shame, grief-these are all logical things, and they enrich the human experience. Having to learn the nature of this kind of thing analytically rather than intuitively has been instructive. Without sadness, what would happiness mean? Without tranquility, what would hatred mean? What if hating something, what if hungering for something-be it glory or knowledge or whatever-is what gets you out of bed in the morning, gets you to great things? What really *does* drive things like pity or altruism, on a deep level? If one does some digging, the answers can be interesting, and sometimes, not what one expects...

    And what of love? What is the greater purpose of that? If you accept societal definitions and simply believe it "just happens", you essentially are being controlled by your underlying genetic code, buffeted from here to there. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but an alternative could be attempting to harness it and transcend into something better-your own definition. No wonder you see so much misery attached to modern courtship, to modern culture writ large. We're simultaneously encouraged to be the strictest moralists and the most hedonistic libertines-such incoherence.

    Embrace the Sith. Embrace the Empire. They had it right. Our rulers-and our cultural elite-are not to be trusted, least of all when they are trying to "instruct" you in the "proper" way to feel.

    , @El Dato
    This is just the "powerful, wise Aliens giving humans a lesson" scenario, only with different role players.

    Are maybe they are from Däniken's Atlantis. Yes, after the destruction of Atlantis, the Atlantides settled in West Africa, from where they continued to expand into the solar system. They are currently trolling NASA on Mars, which is why there are so many "image analysis reveals alien mystery on Mars" on youtube.

    It makes sense.
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  30. OT: neo-communist WaPo calls the 1994 CA Proposition 187, which sought to limit illegal aliens’ access to public services, a “harsh anti-immigration” proposal. Not “anti-illegal immigration”… but “anti-immigration.” If the neo-communists are no longer going to recognize a difference between legal and illegal immigration, we shouldn’t either.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/think-california-politics-is-on-the-far-left-fringe-just-wait-for-the-next-elections/2018/02/04/80e679c2-05e5-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.4055ffa6d706

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    Proposition 187 was passed with nearly 60% of the vote in California in 1994... and the wishes of the electorate were dismantled by committee and lawsuit.

    Here's a real quote from the article: "In response, state Attorney General Xavier Becerra, whose mother was born in Mexico and whose father was raised there, *warned California businesses that they might be subject to prosecution if they cooperate with federal officials*." You can't make this kind of stuff up.

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    Asked and answered. Move along.
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  32. @anon

    In this sense, “Black Panther” is as much an alternative to our contemporary racial discourse as it is a throwback, not only a desire for what could have been but also a nostalgia for what we once had.
     
    Jesus Christ, these people...

    If this was anything like what Africa was like before colonization, how were we able to colonize them? Did their magic Iron Man suits all short out the day before we got there?


    “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again.
     
    I've mentioned before that I still haven't noticed the world being much more "on fire" than it was two or three years ago, and wondering when the reality of all their failed predictions was going to catch up with these morons.

    But I guess the answer to that is probably "never", since I now know that pretty much all Democratic voters think comic books actually are real. It's not what I would have hoped for, but at least now the issue is out there, and can be discussed.

    That isn’t a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    Colonialism can be broken down into a simple equation: Superior Military power+ Local Elite cooptation.

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    That isn’t a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    It's a very good argument. The Eastern Europeans didn't have space-age armored suits made out of imaginary materials, did they?
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  33. @syonredux
    YT doesn't deserve to live on the same planet with Wakandans....


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    Wakanda will reach the stars…..

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    • Replies: @songbird
    When word got out that they were filming in South Korea, I thought to myself, SK probably has the most futuristic-looking cities out there. They must be using a present day Asian city as a stand-in for a futuristic, utopian black one.

    Turns out I was wrong though. There are scenes that take place in SK.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Blacks already beat the blakkity-blacks into space:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0lWV7ANhU8
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  34. @songbird
    Mungo Park went into Africa pretty much before it was colonized. The first time he was lucky to come out without the shirt on his back. His mistake was going in a second time.

    Now you’re misrepresenting history. He got ill and would not have survived if he wasn’t treated by the Natives. Your sentence structure makes it seem like the barbarians tried to barbecue him.

    You might not understand the consuming pull of ambition, but he felt he had to fulfil his, no judging on my part.

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    Oh, don't get me wrong - he was helped. But that was mostly by the local slaves, which he estimated comprised 2/3 of the population. Not the local kingdom which robbed him and tried to make him a slave. He was finally killed, it was supposed, because his group was mistaken for a raiding tribe. Paradise it was not, but there certainly weren't any cannibals in that part of Africa.

    But I'd encourage everyone to read the book. It's a good adventure story. Interesting history too.
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  35. @syonredux
    YT doesn't deserve to live on the same planet with Wakandans....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900071-wakanda_t_chaka_bp_v4_issue_3__un.jpg

    Ah, the typical Hollywood spiel: terming things in profit or self-interest == BAD and low-class… everybody should live in a Platonic realm where only the wise give out gifts to those who have sufficiently detached themselves from such banal concerns. Perhaps we shall eventually cease to be human at all. Such a flatulent view of the world for the mediocre to think of themselves as wise sages. Reminds me of why I despise hippies.

    I think one of the ideas that has really screwed up the United States is the idea that emotions, in and of themselves, are good or evil. The actions that we undertake because of them would be. What you do with them might be. The emotions themselves? Hate, anger, jealousy, greed, shame, grief-these are all logical things, and they enrich the human experience. Having to learn the nature of this kind of thing analytically rather than intuitively has been instructive. Without sadness, what would happiness mean? Without tranquility, what would hatred mean? What if hating something, what if hungering for something-be it glory or knowledge or whatever-is what gets you out of bed in the morning, gets you to great things? What really *does* drive things like pity or altruism, on a deep level? If one does some digging, the answers can be interesting, and sometimes, not what one expects…

    And what of love? What is the greater purpose of that? If you accept societal definitions and simply believe it “just happens”, you essentially are being controlled by your underlying genetic code, buffeted from here to there. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but an alternative could be attempting to harness it and transcend into something better-your own definition. No wonder you see so much misery attached to modern courtship, to modern culture writ large. We’re simultaneously encouraged to be the strictest moralists and the most hedonistic libertines-such incoherence.

    Embrace the Sith. Embrace the Empire. They had it right. Our rulers-and our cultural elite-are not to be trusted, least of all when they are trying to “instruct” you in the “proper” way to feel.

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  36. The movie screened for the first time on January 29 for celebrities and select members of the media, who were prohibited from publishing any reviews until Wednesday morning (February 7). While this has become a more common phenomenon for highly-anticipated big budget movies, I don’t think any other flick has had this large of a differential between its 1st screening and its ultimate wide release date (18 days)…make of that what you will.

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  37. I dislike the idea of Wakanda. The most powerful Black nation in the world letting its neighbours rot in poverty and be crushed by the boot of colonialism is a pretty shitty thing when you think about it.

    In reality, even the worst regimes hosted bases and supplied arms to their brothers during the anti-colonial struggle.

    So on my personal scale, Mugabe gets a look before T’challa.

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    Um yeah, just like your country cheerfully did business with both Ian Smith's Rhodesia and South Africa's Apartheid regime. Like just about every other black African country.

    It was the white nations that economically starved those two states -- you Africans just chattered indignantly out of one side of your mouths and talked business with them out of the other.

    But then you clowns have never been the real threat -- white peoples' most dangerous enemies are other whites.
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  38. It says a lot that the black Utopia of Wakanda is an absolute monarchy whose economy thrives on literal magic dirt. The whole thing sounds like a parody of Afrocentric fantasy.

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    You got it backwards. Afrocentric theory is a parody of Wakanda.
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  39. @AndrewR
    OT: neo-communist WaPo calls the 1994 CA Proposition 187, which sought to limit illegal aliens' access to public services, a "harsh anti-immigration" proposal. Not "anti-illegal immigration"... but "anti-immigration." If the neo-communists are no longer going to recognize a difference between legal and illegal immigration, we shouldn't either.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/think-california-politics-is-on-the-far-left-fringe-just-wait-for-the-next-elections/2018/02/04/80e679c2-05e5-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.4055ffa6d706

    Proposition 187 was passed with nearly 60% of the vote in California in 1994… and the wishes of the electorate were dismantled by committee and lawsuit.

    Here’s a real quote from the article: “In response, state Attorney General Xavier Becerra, whose mother was born in Mexico and whose father was raised there, *warned California businesses that they might be subject to prosecution if they cooperate with federal officials*.” You can’t make this kind of stuff up.

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  40. @Altai
    Here is an interesting Chinese trailer for Black Panther. I can't tell if this trailer was Chinese exclusive or not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrqR5yATTfE

    I don't necessarily think it will be a blow-out in China since it's colourful, interesting and different and has attractive actors with good screen presence. (I do find the overpraise to be obvious but I'd say it has a chance based on the trailers to be in the top 3 Marvel movies, maybe top 2) But I do find it interesting how they're producing an international trailer saying "Hey, remember all those films you liked? This thing is definitely connected to them!" but then maybe they'd have done the same with Doctor Strange and Ant-Man if either of them had had a few references or connections over the years.

    It may also be due to Wakanda playing a big part in the next Avengers film coming out in May and they want the audience to either see Black Panther or have a better idea of what the hell is going on for what I assume they're aiming to be the biggest grossing film of all time.

    I thought Black Panther would be replete with Blacksploitation goodness, but no, it appears to be on the level of Pacific Rim, Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey, the entire Harry Potter series and whatever-they-called-the-name-escapes-me-that-last-excuse of a Star Wars movie?

    Pacific Rim — no, you cannot pilot a Mecha solo, a dude has to “share his feelings” to co-pilot the robot with some geek Asian lady.

    Twilight — no honey, I know you don’t want to listen to your mother, but I don’t care how sweet he is, he is a vampire and this is not going to work long term.

    Fifty Shades of Grey — your down-the-hall neighbor in your apartment block is a billionaire who likes to torture women who would rather offer him as much sex as he wants to have? Get real, your down-the-hall neighbor is a computer programmer with acne and problem dandruff who hasn’t made it to “first base” with a girl.

    Harry Potter — no, wizards aren’t real so just do your homework before you go to bed.

    Star Wars — ’nuff said?

    All of these films are based on feminist fantasies where the world (or people or human nature) is reimagined to fulfil those fantasies. That Black Panther pulls a (male) black fantasy down to the level of the movies I mentioned, that is so very, very sad. Don’t the black men associated with the project have a sense of self respect as men?

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  41. OT:

    Retired thespian-of-color, and former United States Ambassador to Mexico, John Gavin died today:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/john-gavin-actor-in-‘psycho’-and-‘spartacus’-dies-at-86/ar-BBIW0bD?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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    Johnny G had a great scene with Klaus Kinski in 1958’s A Time To Love A Time To Die.

    p.s. Where did JPod get his lunch today?
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  42. @syonredux
    Wakanda will reach the stars.....


    https://78.media.tumblr.com/adf71ed3d8371ec651277f8a0171d5c5/tumblr_inline_nhj33pFw2h1sibvk8.jpg

    When word got out that they were filming in South Korea, I thought to myself, SK probably has the most futuristic-looking cities out there. They must be using a present day Asian city as a stand-in for a futuristic, utopian black one.

    Turns out I was wrong though. There are scenes that take place in SK.

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  43. I looked up the wiki article on Afro-Futurism a while ago. Maybe it’s been heavily edited since then but all I saw were two musical act hype men, George Clinton and Sun Ra. Since I was already somewhat familiar with their music I inferred that, whereas Futurism was Italians using the absolute height of material design to bring about a new era of motion without losing the aesthetic knowledge of the past, Afro-Futurism is black musicians making pop science fantasy references in their lyrics. As has been pointed out on this blog in the past, Africa (specifically Eritrea) is home to many excellent surviving examples of Futurist architecture, but I guess that would count as Futurism in Africa and not African Futurism.

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  44. @Anonymous
    Shaka seems to have been on the path to creating a Zulu wakanda before his brother killed him. Combining his ruthlessness and his willingness to learn from whites, it isn’t a huge leap to see a powerful Zulu kingdom dominating interior Southern Africa, with no Boer presence, and other Bantu tribes subjugated (although Cyril Ramaphosa’s current timidity shows how wary other blacks still are of this outcome).

    It’s almost like there was a novel about that published in 1885.

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    Nada the Lily is Haggard's most Zulu-centric novel. I read it in my teens (I went through a Haggard phase), and I recall thinking that it was pretty good.The book gives the backstory for Alan Quatermain's Zulu comrade Umslopogaas.
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  45. I read this as Wakanda war ship.

    Ready to take on the world, I guess.

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  46. @Obsessive Contrarian
    Let me guess.

    It's like a black Israel. Unfortunately, the real thing has no Vibranium, although I've read they discovered natural gas.

    Vibranium? Wasn’t that in the bomb the Enola Gay dropped on Detroit? (I was a history major at Wayne State.)

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  47. @D. K.
    OT:

    Retired thespian-of-color, and former United States Ambassador to Mexico, John Gavin died today:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/john-gavin-actor-in-‘psycho’-and-‘spartacus’-dies-at-86/ar-BBIW0bD?OCID=ansmsnnews11

    Johnny G had a great scene with Klaus Kinski in 1958’s A Time To Love A Time To Die.

    p.s. Where did JPod get his lunch today?

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  48. Did Stan Lee appropriate Black Panther from Huey Newton’s Black Panther Party? Or did Newton get the idea from Lee? Both Black Panthers appear in 1966.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(comics)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

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    We can all be glad that Stan Lee turned down Jack Kirby's original design for the character:


    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/04/jack-kirby-black-panther-early-design001.jpg
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  49. @njguy73
    OK, Sailer, let's see what you can do with this one.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/assemblywoman-at-forefront-of-supernumbermetoo-movement-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/ar-BBITI6B

    Asked and answered. Move along.

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  50. @Anonymous
    Shaka seems to have been on the path to creating a Zulu wakanda before his brother killed him. Combining his ruthlessness and his willingness to learn from whites, it isn’t a huge leap to see a powerful Zulu kingdom dominating interior Southern Africa, with no Boer presence, and other Bantu tribes subjugated (although Cyril Ramaphosa’s current timidity shows how wary other blacks still are of this outcome).

    Shaka seems to have been on the path to creating a Zulu wakanda before his brother killed him.

    Minus the super-tech, one assumes…..

    Combining his ruthlessness

    You ain’t whistling dixie…..

    Mfecane (1818-1840), and the reign of Shaka (1816-1828) 1 500,000

    Henry Francis Flynn: more than 1,000,000 deaths caused by Shaka’s wars.
    George Theal, History of South Africa (1915): 2,000,000
    The diary of Henry Francis Fynn, 1838, p.20: “The numbers whose death he occasioned have been left to conjecture, but exceed a million.”
    Major Charters, Royal Artillery, “Notices Of The Cape And Southern Africa, Since The Appointment, As Governor, Of Major-Gen. Sir Geo. Napier.” United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine, London: W. Clowes and Son, 1839, Part III, p.24: “Chaka may be termed the South African Attila; and it is estimated that not less than 1,000,000 human beings were destroyed by him”
    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, “Shaka”, v.10. p.689 (“… left 2,000,000 dead in its wake.”)
    Donald R. Morris, The Washing of the Spears, p.60 (“At least a million people, and more likely two, died in a decade that virtually depopulated” the interior.)

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    Perhaps “ruthless” was too mild.

    He moved his capital to be closer to the white settlement at Port Natal (Durban), and he was reportedly keen on appropriating western technology and education. A technologically advanced and hyper-aggressive Zulu nation (ignoring intellectual capacity) with control of the Witwatersrand goldfields, would have been an interesting match for the British.

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  51. @Steve Sailer
    It's almost like there was a novel about that published in 1885.

    Nada the Lily is Haggard’s most Zulu-centric novel. I read it in my teens (I went through a Haggard phase), and I recall thinking that it was pretty good.The book gives the backstory for Alan Quatermain’s Zulu comrade Umslopogaas.

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    Quartermain has never been done justice on film, but I think it missed the boat. I don't expect to see a new movie, and if they make one, they will turn him into some cowardly fool whose henchman is the real hero.
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  52. @George
    Did Stan Lee appropriate Black Panther from Huey Newton's Black Panther Party? Or did Newton get the idea from Lee? Both Black Panthers appear in 1966.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(comics)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

    We can all be glad that Stan Lee turned down Jack Kirby’s original design for the character:

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    Jack Kirby (Jacob Kurtzberg) was a Cincy Bengals fan? Who knew.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    I don't see the problem. The suit has yellow stripes, just like a panther.
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Jack Kirby wanted to call this character “the Coal Tiger.” What’s a coal tiger? You might well ask. Kirby was a talented artist, but given to weird flights of fancy if left to his own devices. He needed Stan to keep him tethered to earth and give him some humor. When Kirby moved to DC Comics in 1970, he was given free rein to invent his own characters and write his own stories. The resulting “New Gods” nonsense was unreadable—similar to what he and Stan had done with Thor at Marvel, but Kirby couldn’t write his way out of a wet paper bag.
    , @Anonymous
    I like Coal Tiger better.
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  53. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Now you're misrepresenting history. He got ill and would not have survived if he wasn't treated by the Natives. Your sentence structure makes it seem like the barbarians tried to barbecue him.

    You might not understand the consuming pull of ambition, but he felt he had to fulfil his, no judging on my part.

    Oh, don’t get me wrong – he was helped. But that was mostly by the local slaves, which he estimated comprised 2/3 of the population. Not the local kingdom which robbed him and tried to make him a slave. He was finally killed, it was supposed, because his group was mistaken for a raiding tribe. Paradise it was not, but there certainly weren’t any cannibals in that part of Africa.

    But I’d encourage everyone to read the book. It’s a good adventure story. Interesting history too.

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    It was the 18th century, barely anywhere was paradise¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  54. @syonredux
    We can all be glad that Stan Lee turned down Jack Kirby's original design for the character:


    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/04/jack-kirby-black-panther-early-design001.jpg

    Jack Kirby (Jacob Kurtzberg) was a Cincy Bengals fan? Who knew.

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  55. @syonredux
    Nada the Lily is Haggard's most Zulu-centric novel. I read it in my teens (I went through a Haggard phase), and I recall thinking that it was pretty good.The book gives the backstory for Alan Quatermain's Zulu comrade Umslopogaas.

    Quartermain has never been done justice on film, but I think it missed the boat. I don’t expect to see a new movie, and if they make one, they will turn him into some cowardly fool whose henchman is the real hero.

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    Quartermain has never been done justice on film, but I think it missed the boat. I don’t expect to see a new movie, and if they make one, they will turn him into some cowardly fool whose henchman is the real hero.
     
    Yeah, the Alan Quatermain films are a fairly wretched lot. The ones with Richard Chamberlain (where they simply turned Quatermain into Indiana Jones) were particularly bad. I think that maybe the best one is the 1950 version of King Solomon's Mines with Stewart Granger and Deborah Kerr.
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  56. Send an SOS to Vox — Donald Trump just culturally appropriated the political opinions of the Kings of Wakanda.

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  57. I think y’all would enjoy Ms. Tillet’s background:
    “Salamishah Tillet is an Associate Professor of English and Africana Studies and a faculty member of the Alice Paul Center for Gender, Sexuality, and Women’s Studies at the University of Pennsylvania.”

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  58. Overall it’s just kind of sad. Escapism is fine, and I get the desire of black Americans to imagine themselves being connected to some amazing civilization that is on par or better than the Western European/North American ones of real life. But rather than reflect on what exactly made those nations’ culture/achievements so powerful or perhaps consider how that could be incorporated into their own existence, woke journalists just engage in ‘what ifs’ that are completely untethered from historical reality, and only exist in comic books.

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    Eh, I dunno. I'm told Star Trek has, at various time, portrayed a world in which conflict between humans was eliminated. I don't know how realistic that was. Aspirational movies seem pretty reasonable to me, and indeed can be a positive influence.

    Maybe Black Panther will encourage a few black kids to be the best they can be. Isn't that a good thing? Maybe a few will go to college instead of a life of crime. While I believe strongly that there are significant differences between the races, I'm not at all convinced that blacks are currently performing at the highest level that they could. Maybe, in some small part, this movie could help.

    Now, if the movie is mostly "blame whitey", then I'll change my mind.
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  59. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Tyler Cowen in an interview with Camille Paglia discussed ‘gay marriage’ and the LGBT thing, and he smugly gloated that, see, the world didn’t come to an end. The sky didn’t fall. So, the LGBTQ revolution was no big deal. There was no reason to get worried about.

    How wrong he was. What LGBTQ-ism did to America, where PC already had made it dangerous to tell the truth, was to institutionalize lies on a grand scale. If, prior to LGBTQ-ism, the thing was to keep your mouth shut and not speak the obvious truth, the new norm with LGBTQ-ism was to boldly and brazenly push the lie as not only the truth but holy sacrament that all must bow down to.

    Lies aren’t good but a part of everyday life. But the protection and promotion of lies as the truth is downright cancerous. It means society no longer has the integrity, honesty, and courage to deal with lies in favor of truth. It means there is now a Power that decides what is ‘true’, what is ‘false’, and the debate is OVER and you better just go along.

    Nothing, not even black politics, promoted and spread lies as spectacularly as the LGBTQ-ism.
    So, homos were totally blameless victims of HIV epidemic. We blame ourselves that so many homos died buggering one another in bathhouses. And a homo’s anus is a sex organ. It really is, just like a vagina. And ‘two daddies’ or ‘two mommies’ are just as biologically and feasible as two real parents. After all, some homos are rich while many straights are poor, and MONEY is the determinant of everything wonderful. So, the biological and social basis of homosexuality is just as legit for matrimony as the bio-moral basis between man and woman. And if you disagree, you are suffering from a ‘phobia’, or ‘homophobia’. Indeed, if you have funny uncomplimentary thoughts about homos or trannies in your mind, you must also be ‘homophobic’. Yes, homosexuality is so wonderful that entire city blocks must be shut down for massive parades with ‘rainbow’ colors. And homos are so angelic and holy that homo stuff must even festoon churches. And since trannies allied with homos, we better believe a man is a ‘woman’ if he puts on a wig and dress. Indeed, his penis and balls can become a ‘vagina’ through surgery. Or, if he/she decides to keep his penis and balls, he is a ‘woman’ with penis and balls, and you better believe it or else you are ‘transphobic’. A man can have a vagina, and a woman can have a penis.
    And if you don’t call him a ‘her’ or her a ‘him’, you will be fined for $200,000 in NY city, just like any baker who won’t bake a homo wedding cake will be sued, prosecuted, and destroyed.

    These were all brazen and insane lies, but the Power protected and promoted them. The Power enforced them through all the media and academia they control. Liberal politicians enthusiastically got on board, and Conservative politician bowed their head in silence out of servility to the Power and out of shame that they lacked the balls to stand up for truth and morality. After all, the Power is with Jews, and if Jews say homos and trannies are holy, it is about as irrefutable as Jews saying American Power better favor Zionists over Palestinians(even though Jews decry Old America for favoring certain groups over others).

    Well, what happens to society and culture when that level of mendacity is not only permitted, not only promoted, but even enforced and sanctified by attacking and destroying any voice or agenda that won’t play ball? The end result was the spread of Lying as the New Truth.

    BLM was the black counterpart to LGBTQ. Blacks got envious of homos getting all the love and attention with their spectacular lies and hype, so why shouldn’t blacks do the same thing and scream BLM when, in fact, blacks are the main killers of blacks?

    We always had lies, but the lies today are truly mind-boggling. During the Cold War, yes, the US did lie and exaggerate about Soviet strengths. But it was true enough that USSR was a superpower and a rival to the US and also that the Soviet system was inhuman.
    But Russia today as ‘new nazi nation’? Putin as ‘new hitler’? It’s totally fantastic. Russia hacked the election? And this from a nation that gloats about how it successfully screwed with elections of other nations?

    And just how did War on Terror turn into War with Terror against Assad and Gaddafi?

    The insipid war on ‘essentialism’ has led to preference for fantasy over reality. So, if Bruce Jenner fantasizes that he is a woman, he is one. And if illegals fantasize that they are ‘dreamers’, they are more-American-than-real-Americans, and we must swallow that BS too.
    And if blacks and cucks fantasize about this Wakanda, we should get all excited too. Never mind that yuppie Progs have been using immigration, gentrification, and incarceration to save cities from black crime. Just believe in Wakandanics as a legit vision on how Earth can become a Black Planet.

    LGBTQ-ism was one of the worst cancers to befall mankind. Cowen’s smug view wasn’t worth beans… but then he’s the guy who wants us to subsist on beans.

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    Tyler Cowen is one of these guys who, because he is a shade smarter than the average bear, has mistaken himself for a genius.

    He actually believes his own BS.
    , @Laugh Track
    Awesome rant.
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  60. @Nigerian Nationalist
    That isn't a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    Colonialism can be broken down into a simple equation: Superior Military power+ Local Elite cooptation.

    That isn’t a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    It’s a very good argument. The Eastern Europeans didn’t have space-age armored suits made out of imaginary materials, did they?

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    ... actually they had space suits made of space-age materials ...
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    I read the initial sentence of what "we once had" as independence. Of course it as an argument has its own flaws.
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  61. @songbird
    Quartermain has never been done justice on film, but I think it missed the boat. I don't expect to see a new movie, and if they make one, they will turn him into some cowardly fool whose henchman is the real hero.

    Quartermain has never been done justice on film, but I think it missed the boat. I don’t expect to see a new movie, and if they make one, they will turn him into some cowardly fool whose henchman is the real hero.

    Yeah, the Alan Quatermain films are a fairly wretched lot. The ones with Richard Chamberlain (where they simply turned Quatermain into Indiana Jones) were particularly bad. I think that maybe the best one is the 1950 version of King Solomon’s Mines with Stewart Granger and Deborah Kerr.

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    Which one was Sharon Stone's film debut? My wife and I read the credits in the theatre specifically to see who she was, because we thought she was the worst actress we had ever seen.
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  62. @eah
    Hope, Hype and Pride

    I expect those involved would be happy if it just sold a lot of tickets -- which is maybe what this is all about -- you think? -- the "hope" and "hype" parts anyway.

    I don’t know, but I think the “buying a bunch of tickets for underprivileged kids” thing is a pretty transparent way to boost the opening weekend box office.

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  63. Well, unlike your racists, I am looking forward to the release date of Black Panther.

    Granted, it’s so I’ll get to watch cell phone videos of all the fights that break out in movie theaters on LiveLeak the next day. But I’m still looking forward to it.

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    Granted, it’s so I’ll get to watch cell phone videos of all the fights that break out …
     
    The failure to orient the phone HORIZONTALLY drives me crazy. Peeps need work on this! :(
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  64. The black future, as was.

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    George Clinton’s “Nubian Nut”(1983), about “King Nut, the Nubian Tut”, is pretty funny:

    Holdin’ up a shield that’s a-glowin’ green,
    Raisin’ a spear that shoots laser beams,
    Ridin’ in a space ship up and down the street,
    Tootin’ at the fine women on the block he meet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPi7x4uM91g
    , @Twodees Partain
    I know it. Bootsy Collins gets no credit from today's cullut people for trying to Bring tha Fonk. He is a true cullut visionary who is being ignored by both gangsta culture and the Hate Whitey intellectual movement.

    Its a tragedy, I tell ya.
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  65. @syonredux
    Wakanda is a beacon of hope.....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900119-wakanda_cure_for_cancer_black_panther_v4_issue_3.jpg

    This is a parody, right?

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  66. @anon
    Well, unlike your racists, I am looking forward to the release date of Black Panther.

    Granted, it's so I'll get to watch cell phone videos of all the fights that break out in movie theaters on LiveLeak the next day. But I'm still looking forward to it.

    Granted, it’s so I’ll get to watch cell phone videos of all the fights that break out …

    The failure to orient the phone HORIZONTALLY drives me crazy. Peeps need work on this! :(

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    Yes. There should be a PSA to all people in the ghetto. Cell phone cameras should be operated in the "landscape" orientation. Handguns should be operated in the "portrait" orientation.
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  67. @anonymous

    Granted, it’s so I’ll get to watch cell phone videos of all the fights that break out …
     
    The failure to orient the phone HORIZONTALLY drives me crazy. Peeps need work on this! :(

    Yes. There should be a PSA to all people in the ghetto. Cell phone cameras should be operated in the “landscape” orientation. Handguns should be operated in the “portrait” orientation.

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    Whenever I see some stupid woman holding her crappy iPhone in portrait mode I show her this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqHZJe6306k
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  68. When white people first encountered sub-saharan Africans (i.e. before colonialism) the Africans didn’t have written languages or even the wheel. Anything vaguely resembling even rudimentary mathematics was unknown. The mud hut was their greatest architectural achievement. Again this was all before Africa was colonized. Whatever colonialism’s faults, it didn’t retard Africa — quite the reverse.

    So exactly how would the absence of colonialism make Wankhanda possible?

    Ju-ju?

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    "The mud hut was their greatest architectural achievement."

    No way. The thorn boma was a greater achievement than the mud hut. See, that's what happens when honkies try to discuss Wakanda. Y'all get it all wrong.

    " Whatever colonialism’s faults, it didn’t retard Africa — quite the reverse. "

    Of course it didn't. Africa was ALREADY retarded before colonialism came busting.

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  69. @syonredux
    We can all be glad that Stan Lee turned down Jack Kirby's original design for the character:


    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/04/jack-kirby-black-panther-early-design001.jpg

    I don’t see the problem. The suit has yellow stripes, just like a panther.

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  70. @anon
    That isn’t a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    It's a very good argument. The Eastern Europeans didn't have space-age armored suits made out of imaginary materials, did they?

    … actually they had space suits made of space-age materials …

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  71. @The Alarmist
    The Roots of our day. This generation is about more unmoored from reality than any other in all of history.

    ” This generation is about more unmoored from reality than any other in all of history.”

    Yeah. Roots was plagiarized from a book by Harold Courlander (apparently the original was better but I can’t say, I never read it), but at least it was based on something that actually happened, however distorted.

    Black Panther is a superhero movie, a fantasy and a sci-fi movie all wrapped into one. I’d be interested in seeing someone evaluate the movie with clear eyes taking that issue into account. Superhero movies have elements of fantasy, and sometimes sci-fi, but the genres are separate and distinct. This movie appears to be all three at once. How does it juggle those elements?

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  72. @Half Canadian
    Go to Ethiopia, it was never colonized. And how did that turn out?

    Switch the colours and this would be white supremacists dreaming.

    Indeed. And even much of “colonized” Africa was only colonized on paper. Most of the “colonization” (by Arabs and Europeans) was really just coastal trading entrepôts. Southern Africa and Northern Algeria were the exceptions in that Europeans actually settled in numbers on the land and cultivated it. But much of the colonization of Africa existed only as lines on maps in foreign capitals. Africa is a very large continent. The common Mercator projection maps camouflage its size. And most of Africa never saw a European or Arab. Even today there are parts where no non-African has ever set foot.

    “Part of the movie’s emotional and visual appeal lies in the fact that Wakanda has never been colonized.”

    It’s too bad that Salamishah doesn’t actually know much about Africa. But I guess that being an “activist, social critic, and media personality, and an associate professor of English and Africana Studies” (per Wikipedia) doesn’t leave much time for learning stuff.

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  73. @nebulafox
    Given how most people think blacks are 1/3rd of America's populace thanks to pop culture , one might question the premise. The reality is more like 10-15% of the US, depending on whether you count African and/or West Indian immigrants too. Relative to their numbers, they are over-represented in the media.

    Of course, depending on the area of the country, given how population works in the US, blacks could be as much as anything from making up the whole neighborhood to being nonexistent. (Baltimore having a black mayor and a half-black police force are entirely appropriate, given the demographics of the city, for example.) But this kind of nuance, I suspect, is not what he is getting at.

    >“Wakanda is a kind of black utopia in our fight against colonialism and imperial control of black land and black people by white people,”

    When they stopped fighting their normal mortal enemies in real life, other Africans, that is, to band against the foreign presence. Much like Scots and Germans in classical antiquity, really.

    I’m always skeptical of the “most people think” line of reasoning…but then, my parents Christened me “Obsessive Contrarian.” :)

    It’s not a strange misconception to harbor. Most of our major cities now have a majority black population and their presence is very obvious, whereas in the old days, as my father used to say, “they were contained.”

    Now they are out of the barn. And runnin’ wild.

    Anyway, I see an opportunity here for an enterprising fellow to sell a lot of “Blaxit” tickets to gullible blacks while they still have stars in their eyes after seeing this flick.

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    Here is Wikipedia.org's list of the most populous cities in the United States:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

    None of the twenty most populous cities in the United States has a Black majority; Philadelphia is the highest of those, at 42.8% Black. Many, if not most, of those twenty cities has a smaller Black portion of its population than does the country as a whole. The twenty-first most populous city in the United States is our capital, Washington, D.C.-- which no longer has a majority Black population, as it long had. You have to go down to #23, Detroit, to get to a populous American city with a Black majority.
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  74. @Nigerian Nationalist
    I dislike the idea of Wakanda. The most powerful Black nation in the world letting its neighbours rot in poverty and be crushed by the boot of colonialism is a pretty shitty thing when you think about it.

    In reality, even the worst regimes hosted bases and supplied arms to their brothers during the anti-colonial struggle.

    So on my personal scale, Mugabe gets a look before T'challa.

    Um yeah, just like your country cheerfully did business with both Ian Smith’s Rhodesia and South Africa’s Apartheid regime. Like just about every other black African country.

    It was the white nations that economically starved those two states — you Africans just chattered indignantly out of one side of your mouths and talked business with them out of the other.

    But then you clowns have never been the real threat — white peoples’ most dangerous enemies are other whites.

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    It is especially despicable on the part of (((whites))) who so often bray their outrage at fantasy-based beliefs,( some people have horns, kill children, control the gubmint,etc) providing blacks with this lunatic fantasy and telling them,"This is what you'd be...except for the white man!"
    Two ironic points emerge: 1)There are many white people who believe their society would be wealthier and more advanced than it is,but for being "colonized"by another (((group))). So Wakanda is TRUE,except not for Africans!
    2)The King of Wakanda is...are you ready...white. Course I haven't seen the movie,but it seems he is the kind of brooding,thoughtful,reliable and tough,but right-minded hero who has appeared in a million movie roles as a bullet headed Saxon mothers son!
    As opposed to,say,Sweet Sweetback, Melvin Peebles' iteration of the ultimate black man,the Pimp. Sweetback is what you get when blacks feel free to chase their own vision,white people, and black boogies,be damned.
    Me? I was a little boy who'd see the ads for this movie in the paper and think,"Damn I'd love to see this!" At the time there was another theatre,the Aardvark,somewhere around Old Town,which promised a different sort of fun,as porn began to work it's way into the light. Would've liked to have dropped by there too.
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    Sure, keep believing that.

    In reality, though, the SA region struggle that beat back the Portuguese was won despite the willingness of the Israelis, Brits and US to do business with SA and Rhodesia.

    The struggle was won with black blood, black gold, Russian arms and Cuban advice.

    Tis a shame though, shouldn't you be busy saving your fellow Scots from the heels of the Angles rather than believing in an ideology as harebrained as white solidarity?
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  75. @Anon
    Tyler Cowen in an interview with Camille Paglia discussed 'gay marriage' and the LGBT thing, and he smugly gloated that, see, the world didn't come to an end. The sky didn't fall. So, the LGBTQ revolution was no big deal. There was no reason to get worried about.

    How wrong he was. What LGBTQ-ism did to America, where PC already had made it dangerous to tell the truth, was to institutionalize lies on a grand scale. If, prior to LGBTQ-ism, the thing was to keep your mouth shut and not speak the obvious truth, the new norm with LGBTQ-ism was to boldly and brazenly push the lie as not only the truth but holy sacrament that all must bow down to.

    Lies aren't good but a part of everyday life. But the protection and promotion of lies as the truth is downright cancerous. It means society no longer has the integrity, honesty, and courage to deal with lies in favor of truth. It means there is now a Power that decides what is 'true', what is 'false', and the debate is OVER and you better just go along.

    Nothing, not even black politics, promoted and spread lies as spectacularly as the LGBTQ-ism.
    So, homos were totally blameless victims of HIV epidemic. We blame ourselves that so many homos died buggering one another in bathhouses. And a homo's anus is a sex organ. It really is, just like a vagina. And 'two daddies' or 'two mommies' are just as biologically and feasible as two real parents. After all, some homos are rich while many straights are poor, and MONEY is the determinant of everything wonderful. So, the biological and social basis of homosexuality is just as legit for matrimony as the bio-moral basis between man and woman. And if you disagree, you are suffering from a 'phobia', or 'homophobia'. Indeed, if you have funny uncomplimentary thoughts about homos or trannies in your mind, you must also be 'homophobic'. Yes, homosexuality is so wonderful that entire city blocks must be shut down for massive parades with 'rainbow' colors. And homos are so angelic and holy that homo stuff must even festoon churches. And since trannies allied with homos, we better believe a man is a 'woman' if he puts on a wig and dress. Indeed, his penis and balls can become a 'vagina' through surgery. Or, if he/she decides to keep his penis and balls, he is a 'woman' with penis and balls, and you better believe it or else you are 'transphobic'. A man can have a vagina, and a woman can have a penis.
    And if you don't call him a 'her' or her a 'him', you will be fined for $200,000 in NY city, just like any baker who won't bake a homo wedding cake will be sued, prosecuted, and destroyed.

    These were all brazen and insane lies, but the Power protected and promoted them. The Power enforced them through all the media and academia they control. Liberal politicians enthusiastically got on board, and Conservative politician bowed their head in silence out of servility to the Power and out of shame that they lacked the balls to stand up for truth and morality. After all, the Power is with Jews, and if Jews say homos and trannies are holy, it is about as irrefutable as Jews saying American Power better favor Zionists over Palestinians(even though Jews decry Old America for favoring certain groups over others).

    Well, what happens to society and culture when that level of mendacity is not only permitted, not only promoted, but even enforced and sanctified by attacking and destroying any voice or agenda that won't play ball? The end result was the spread of Lying as the New Truth.

    BLM was the black counterpart to LGBTQ. Blacks got envious of homos getting all the love and attention with their spectacular lies and hype, so why shouldn't blacks do the same thing and scream BLM when, in fact, blacks are the main killers of blacks?

    We always had lies, but the lies today are truly mind-boggling. During the Cold War, yes, the US did lie and exaggerate about Soviet strengths. But it was true enough that USSR was a superpower and a rival to the US and also that the Soviet system was inhuman.
    But Russia today as 'new nazi nation'? Putin as 'new hitler'? It's totally fantastic. Russia hacked the election? And this from a nation that gloats about how it successfully screwed with elections of other nations?

    And just how did War on Terror turn into War with Terror against Assad and Gaddafi?

    The insipid war on 'essentialism' has led to preference for fantasy over reality. So, if Bruce Jenner fantasizes that he is a woman, he is one. And if illegals fantasize that they are 'dreamers', they are more-American-than-real-Americans, and we must swallow that BS too.
    And if blacks and cucks fantasize about this Wakanda, we should get all excited too. Never mind that yuppie Progs have been using immigration, gentrification, and incarceration to save cities from black crime. Just believe in Wakandanics as a legit vision on how Earth can become a Black Planet.

    LGBTQ-ism was one of the worst cancers to befall mankind. Cowen's smug view wasn't worth beans... but then he's the guy who wants us to subsist on beans.

    Tyler Cowen is one of these guys who, because he is a shade smarter than the average bear, has mistaken himself for a genius.

    He actually believes his own BS.

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    Tyler Cowen is one of these guys who, because he is a shade smarter than the average bear, has mistaken himself for a genius.

    I think this is actually one of the most common and biggest problems in the world today. Dumb people who admit that they're dumb can cause a lot of havoc, but at least it can be contained more easily than midwits who think they're brilliant.
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  76. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @celt darnell
    Tyler Cowen is one of these guys who, because he is a shade smarter than the average bear, has mistaken himself for a genius.

    He actually believes his own BS.

    Tyler Cowen is one of these guys who, because he is a shade smarter than the average bear, has mistaken himself for a genius.

    I think this is actually one of the most common and biggest problems in the world today. Dumb people who admit that they’re dumb can cause a lot of havoc, but at least it can be contained more easily than midwits who think they’re brilliant.

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  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This film should be very helpful in waking up cuck whites to the psychic realities of the black population.

    Wakanda HAD to have some form of African Big Man (or big man’s wife & children) government. Anything else would be considered repulsively white.

    Blacks don’t give a damn about Western Civilization. The entire WC project is dismissed as either evil, sick, gay, nerdy or crazy/incomprehensible.

    So, yeah, their fantasy world Afro-Futurist nation is a retrograde absolute monarchy with certain civic freedoms and high tech magically tacked onto the society.

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    What do you think the Trump following is? Absolute monarchy is the norm for civilization, white or black. Blacks are just too stupid to come up with rationalizations about why it is wrong to show their intelligence.
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  78. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Humanism is certainly dead. Alex Haley may have plagiarized, but ROOTS was a very humanist story. It found worth of blackness in stories and memories, in family and remembrance. So, it didn’t matter that blacks didn’t have glittering cities or flying pyramids. They still had a culture, from which they were uprooted. And even as slaves, they had a story of experience in America and from this a narrative could be forged of blood, sweat, and tears. And there was pride in just being good people. It ends with Chicken George and his family on a patch of land to call their own, and Tom recalls the bits and pieces of African ancestry that survived despite slavery and Americanization.

    But such is too humdrum in our current culture. Just like Japanese kids are addicted to dumb videogames and fantasies, everything must be mega, narcissistic, hyped, badass, super-cool, and sheeeeeiiit. If Japanese kids had to sit through Kurosawa films today, they’d react like American kids made to watch John Ford movies. “What is this boring shit?”
    No one is content with humanness itself. So, even Greek History has to be turned into something as ridiculous as 30o and 300 RISE OF AN EMPIRE(though Eva Green was pretty fabulous in it). 300 was little more than neo-fascist neocon war porn about how American boys should join the Marines to bash Iran.

    In music, the rich folk-rock idiom and the ideal of the singer-songwriter are also old hat. Everyone must be an idol, hyped and sensationalized with outlandish imagery and constant beat and rhythm, as if songs are supposed to like nonstop vibrators for ears. Rock concerts in the late 60s and early 70s were about being natural. Now, it’s like pop Nuremberg rallies done by homos.

    So, what we’ve ended up is a kind of vulgarized pop fascism. What is most ironic about Wakanda is it looks like Nazi dream of Germania, except it’s black. And white Libs who decry white supremacism and Nazism are totally onboard with black pop fascist fantasies of having their blood-and-soil super-state where all black folk, from rulers to workers, are part of one big holistic family.
    What is deemed evil among whites is wonderful among blacks. It’s almost as if White Libs secretly think fascism is so cool but must outsource it to non-whites since white fascism is eeeeeevil. So, ‘Aryanism’ is bad but ‘Afro-Aryanism’ is cool. So, white Germania is bad, but black Germania, aka Wakanda, is good.

    Triumph of the Chill.

    Wakanda is a vision of superior black race with their superior civilization that blows away all other civilizations. Nazis were into the cult of beauty and power. Since ‘Aryans’ were most beautiful and most fit, their civilization would reflect their natural nobility… and it should expel inferior races that simply don’t belong in such utopia… and if possible, the ‘Aryans’ should conquer other lands for ‘Aryan’ domination over the native helots.

    And now, we have a similar mentality among cucky Libs who worship blacks as the superior race cuz they are tougher and louder. So, they fantasize about Afrotopia where superior blacks have a civilization worthy of their natural nobility. These white libs don’t realize that black nobility is a white construct. Yes, blacks are best at sports and have natural rhythm and can bellow sounds, but those qualities don’t comprise real character. Indeed, no race lacks character more than blacks for whom lying is a pastime and stealing is one of the main economic activities.

    It’s white people who would LIKE TO believe that the viscerally impressive qualities of blacks are aligned with nobility or spirituality. It’s like when people see animals like lions, bears, gorillas, or elephants, they want to ascribe positive ‘moral’ and ‘spiritual’ qualities that isn’t there.
    Those animals may look impressive, but they are into killing, eating, and shitting like rest of animal-kind. Now, such idealized responses are understandable on a visceral level. Even though we have reason and logic, so much of our responses are not rational but sensual and emotional. So, even though a lion being killed is no more cruel than a fox being killed — both animals will suffer equally in death — , the death of the lion seems more tragic because we ascribe ‘regal’ qualities onto the bigger beast.
    In a way, LION KING was a animal-tale progenitor of Wakanda cult. Negroes are seen as like lions or gorillas among humans; whites are, at best, chimps or maybe monkeys.
    Since the great black lion race enslaved by inferior white hyena race, the black lions must be restored to their true masterful greatness while hyena whites need to apologize forever.
    The debate between Jared Taylor and Tariq runs on such logic.

    Inferior hyena whites used ‘trickery’ to gain supremacy over the naturally superior black lion race. Now, in nature, lions are just as lowdown as the hyenas, if not more so. Also, hyenas bring down more prey, and lions steal more meat from hyenas. But early European adventurers regarded lions as the regal beasts while disparaging hyenas as lowly scavengers when, more often than not, lions stole food from hyenas that had to wait to recover their own kills. But looks can deceive. It’s like the message of Kurosawa’s SANJURO where the young samurai are easily fooled by looks.

    The irony is White Liberals denounce ‘Nazism’ and ‘white supremacism’ on being based on skin color, but they are willing to spin entire narratives of black natural nobility and superiority on basis of blacks running faster and hollering louder.

    New STAR WARS’ popularity among Libs betrayed their secret love of pop fascism. But to make it palatable, it has to be made ‘diverse’ because white-fascism is eeeeevil. But if made diverse, even fascism is redeemed because it’s the will to power for progs and people of color.

    Sontag was so wrong and so right in her essay Fascinating Fascism. She was wrong in thinking such aesthetics had no future in cinema. But she astutely noted that fascist aesthetics can be found in arts and expressions unassociated with Nazi Germany. Also, people may be blind to their fascist qualities precisely because those qualities are associated with non-whites than with ‘Aryans’.
    But whether the aesthetics extol ‘Aryans’ or ‘Africans’, the underlying message is the same: The warrior cult of superiority of certain races over others or the notion that some races are more deserving of sympathy because they are robust and tough… like the Nuba of Sudan whom Riefenstahl rhapsodized over.

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  79. I think BLACK PANTHER is the official state propaganda of America in IDIOCRACY.

    It’s like those Soviet films about billowing fields of wheat and well-fed comrades when millions were actually starving.

    Reality: Ow My Balls.

    Fantasy: Wow My Blings.

    Who would have thought a movie would be based on blings. New genre: bling-flicks or blicks.

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  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Shaka seems to have been on the path to creating a Zulu wakanda before his brother killed him.
     
    Minus the super-tech, one assumes.....

    Combining his ruthlessness
     
    You ain't whistling dixie.....

    Mfecane (1818-1840), and the reign of Shaka (1816-1828) 1 500,000

    Henry Francis Flynn: more than 1,000,000 deaths caused by Shaka's wars.
    George Theal, History of South Africa (1915): 2,000,000
    The diary of Henry Francis Fynn, 1838, p.20: “The numbers whose death he occasioned have been left to conjecture, but exceed a million.”
    Major Charters, Royal Artillery, “Notices Of The Cape And Southern Africa, Since The Appointment, As Governor, Of Major-Gen. Sir Geo. Napier.” United Service Journal and Naval and Military Magazine, London: W. Clowes and Son, 1839, Part III, p.24: “Chaka may be termed the South African Attila; and it is estimated that not less than 1,000,000 human beings were destroyed by him"
    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, “Shaka”, v.10. p.689 (“… left 2,000,000 dead in its wake.”)
    Donald R. Morris, The Washing of the Spears, p.60 ("At least a million people, and more likely two, died in a decade that virtually depopulated" the interior.)
     

    Perhaps “ruthless” was too mild.

    He moved his capital to be closer to the white settlement at Port Natal (Durban), and he was reportedly keen on appropriating western technology and education. A technologically advanced and hyper-aggressive Zulu nation (ignoring intellectual capacity) with control of the Witwatersrand goldfields, would have been an interesting match for the British.

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    and he was reportedly keen on appropriating western technology and education. A technologically advanced and hyper-aggressive Zulu nation (ignoring intellectual capacity) with control of the Witwatersrand goldfields, would have been an interesting match for the British.
     
    Rather doubt that the Zulus would have had the capacity to successfully appropriate Western tech.
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  81. @Anon
    Tyler Cowen in an interview with Camille Paglia discussed 'gay marriage' and the LGBT thing, and he smugly gloated that, see, the world didn't come to an end. The sky didn't fall. So, the LGBTQ revolution was no big deal. There was no reason to get worried about.

    How wrong he was. What LGBTQ-ism did to America, where PC already had made it dangerous to tell the truth, was to institutionalize lies on a grand scale. If, prior to LGBTQ-ism, the thing was to keep your mouth shut and not speak the obvious truth, the new norm with LGBTQ-ism was to boldly and brazenly push the lie as not only the truth but holy sacrament that all must bow down to.

    Lies aren't good but a part of everyday life. But the protection and promotion of lies as the truth is downright cancerous. It means society no longer has the integrity, honesty, and courage to deal with lies in favor of truth. It means there is now a Power that decides what is 'true', what is 'false', and the debate is OVER and you better just go along.

    Nothing, not even black politics, promoted and spread lies as spectacularly as the LGBTQ-ism.
    So, homos were totally blameless victims of HIV epidemic. We blame ourselves that so many homos died buggering one another in bathhouses. And a homo's anus is a sex organ. It really is, just like a vagina. And 'two daddies' or 'two mommies' are just as biologically and feasible as two real parents. After all, some homos are rich while many straights are poor, and MONEY is the determinant of everything wonderful. So, the biological and social basis of homosexuality is just as legit for matrimony as the bio-moral basis between man and woman. And if you disagree, you are suffering from a 'phobia', or 'homophobia'. Indeed, if you have funny uncomplimentary thoughts about homos or trannies in your mind, you must also be 'homophobic'. Yes, homosexuality is so wonderful that entire city blocks must be shut down for massive parades with 'rainbow' colors. And homos are so angelic and holy that homo stuff must even festoon churches. And since trannies allied with homos, we better believe a man is a 'woman' if he puts on a wig and dress. Indeed, his penis and balls can become a 'vagina' through surgery. Or, if he/she decides to keep his penis and balls, he is a 'woman' with penis and balls, and you better believe it or else you are 'transphobic'. A man can have a vagina, and a woman can have a penis.
    And if you don't call him a 'her' or her a 'him', you will be fined for $200,000 in NY city, just like any baker who won't bake a homo wedding cake will be sued, prosecuted, and destroyed.

    These were all brazen and insane lies, but the Power protected and promoted them. The Power enforced them through all the media and academia they control. Liberal politicians enthusiastically got on board, and Conservative politician bowed their head in silence out of servility to the Power and out of shame that they lacked the balls to stand up for truth and morality. After all, the Power is with Jews, and if Jews say homos and trannies are holy, it is about as irrefutable as Jews saying American Power better favor Zionists over Palestinians(even though Jews decry Old America for favoring certain groups over others).

    Well, what happens to society and culture when that level of mendacity is not only permitted, not only promoted, but even enforced and sanctified by attacking and destroying any voice or agenda that won't play ball? The end result was the spread of Lying as the New Truth.

    BLM was the black counterpart to LGBTQ. Blacks got envious of homos getting all the love and attention with their spectacular lies and hype, so why shouldn't blacks do the same thing and scream BLM when, in fact, blacks are the main killers of blacks?

    We always had lies, but the lies today are truly mind-boggling. During the Cold War, yes, the US did lie and exaggerate about Soviet strengths. But it was true enough that USSR was a superpower and a rival to the US and also that the Soviet system was inhuman.
    But Russia today as 'new nazi nation'? Putin as 'new hitler'? It's totally fantastic. Russia hacked the election? And this from a nation that gloats about how it successfully screwed with elections of other nations?

    And just how did War on Terror turn into War with Terror against Assad and Gaddafi?

    The insipid war on 'essentialism' has led to preference for fantasy over reality. So, if Bruce Jenner fantasizes that he is a woman, he is one. And if illegals fantasize that they are 'dreamers', they are more-American-than-real-Americans, and we must swallow that BS too.
    And if blacks and cucks fantasize about this Wakanda, we should get all excited too. Never mind that yuppie Progs have been using immigration, gentrification, and incarceration to save cities from black crime. Just believe in Wakandanics as a legit vision on how Earth can become a Black Planet.

    LGBTQ-ism was one of the worst cancers to befall mankind. Cowen's smug view wasn't worth beans... but then he's the guy who wants us to subsist on beans.

    Awesome rant.

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  82. But “Black Panther” has the setting of Wakanda, a fictional African country that is wealthy (thanks to vibranium, a mineral with energy-manipulating qualities) and technologically advanced.

    Is the concept of a “resource curse” that obscure? I would have figured everyone by now would have figured out with the example of the Gulf states that just having wealth from the ground isn’t necessarily that great a way to develop. And anyway, a country being a secret superpower because it’s got a valuable mineral in the ground is a) a pretty lame origin story, and b) actually not that far from reality, given Africa’s actual mineral wealth.

    Part of the movie’s emotional and visual appeal lies in the fact that Wakanda has never been colonized.

    Ethiopia was only colonized for about five years, from 1936 until 1941. And, in any case, the richest and most developed countries in sub-Saharan Africa are the ones that had the longest and deepest experience with white colonization (and actual settler colonies that could exist outside the tropics) in Southern Africa.

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  83. We wuz Kangz! the movie. If they are smart they can thread the needle and target three audiences: blacks, SJWs and the /pol/ crowd if they make it a deadpan parody. Is there a Yaqub character?

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  84. @Anonymous
    Perhaps “ruthless” was too mild.

    He moved his capital to be closer to the white settlement at Port Natal (Durban), and he was reportedly keen on appropriating western technology and education. A technologically advanced and hyper-aggressive Zulu nation (ignoring intellectual capacity) with control of the Witwatersrand goldfields, would have been an interesting match for the British.

    and he was reportedly keen on appropriating western technology and education. A technologically advanced and hyper-aggressive Zulu nation (ignoring intellectual capacity) with control of the Witwatersrand goldfields, would have been an interesting match for the British.

    Rather doubt that the Zulus would have had the capacity to successfully appropriate Western tech.

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    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.
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  85. What are the odds they are actually hiding from the other blacks that might steal their magical vibranium that makes technology possible without engineering or skill? The King Blech Panter actually beat Captain America in a fight. And that’s why he’s still the Dictator Today and needs not fear the spectre of democracy.

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    Has Dr. Doom ever turned his acquisitive eye toward Wakanda? The collision of high-tech armies and ruthless monarchs would shake the very pillars of Midgard!
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  86. @syonredux

    and he was reportedly keen on appropriating western technology and education. A technologically advanced and hyper-aggressive Zulu nation (ignoring intellectual capacity) with control of the Witwatersrand goldfields, would have been an interesting match for the British.
     
    Rather doubt that the Zulus would have had the capacity to successfully appropriate Western tech.

    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.

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    The British had to wait to take control of New Zealand until the Maoris got done shooting enough of each other with their new muskets.
    , @syonredux

    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.
     
    Old rule of technological diffusion: people can only acquire tech that they already possessed the capacity to make.

    So, did the early 19th century Zulu have the capacity to discover gun-powder and gunsmithing on their own?
    , @SteveRogers42
    Until the Draka showed up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Domination
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  87. @Obsessive Contrarian
    I'm always skeptical of the "most people think" line of reasoning...but then, my parents Christened me "Obsessive Contrarian." :)

    It's not a strange misconception to harbor. Most of our major cities now have a majority black population and their presence is very obvious, whereas in the old days, as my father used to say, "they were contained."

    Now they are out of the barn. And runnin' wild.

    Anyway, I see an opportunity here for an enterprising fellow to sell a lot of "Blaxit" tickets to gullible blacks while they still have stars in their eyes after seeing this flick.

    Here is Wikipedia.org’s list of the most populous cities in the United States:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

    None of the twenty most populous cities in the United States has a Black majority; Philadelphia is the highest of those, at 42.8% Black. Many, if not most, of those twenty cities has a smaller Black portion of its population than does the country as a whole. The twenty-first most populous city in the United States is our capital, Washington, D.C.– which no longer has a majority Black population, as it long had. You have to go down to #23, Detroit, to get to a populous American city with a Black majority.

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    Maybe you just have to go to the City Council chambers to find the black majority. ;-)
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    Thank you - I stand corrected BUT (yeah, I know)

    In the cities where people walk around and form impressions by walking around, unlike car cities like LA where people form impressions in more diffuse ways, blacks are a significant minority. A great example is Philadelphia, where the black share of the populace is 3.5X their share in the total population of the US. In NYC they are 25% and only in Manhattan do they form the proportional 12% - although visually many Hispanics are black....

    Bottom line: You are right, but I think there are good reasons for people to think that blacks form a larger share of the US population than they do. It's a perfect example that people should drill down deeper and get some facts --

    Including me!
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  88. @istevefan

    Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Black Panther was the first black superhero in mainstream comics, making his debut in Marvel’s Fantastic Four No. 52 in 1966.
     
    If Black Panther is about black pride and such, how do they square it with the fact that, a) it's fiction, and b) it wasn't even created by blacks?

    Correction: created by Stanley Martin Lieber and Jacob Kurtzberg.

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  89. I 100% endorse King T’Challa’s campaign to Make Wakanda Great Again. I also concur with his assessment that Haiti is indeed a sh!thole and that if Mexico were allowed to send migrants to Wakanda, Mexico would not be sending their best.

    #MWGA Make Wakanda Great Again.

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  90. @syonredux
    Wakanda is a beacon of hope.....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900119-wakanda_cure_for_cancer_black_panther_v4_issue_3.jpg

    Why do they have straight hair and purple skin?

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  91. @Peterike
    The black future, as was.

    https://youtu.be/gjKFCYzqq-A

    George Clinton’s “Nubian Nut”(1983), about “King Nut, the Nubian Tut”, is pretty funny:

    Holdin’ up a shield that’s a-glowin’ green,
    Raisin’ a spear that shoots laser beams,
    Ridin’ in a space ship up and down the street,
    Tootin’ at the fine women on the block he meet.

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  92. @Obsessive Contrarian
    Let me guess.

    It's like a black Israel. Unfortunately, the real thing has no Vibranium, although I've read they discovered natural gas.

    I’ve got a new, quite different theory about the cultural/political roots of Wakanda Worship, but maybe I’ll hold it back while I work on it for a few days.

    Put the theory in context with the massive success of Jordan Peele’s “Get Out” movie, Michele Obama’s “I’m finally proud of my country” comment with her husband’s election and the Trayvon Martin hoax and Barack saying ” That could have been me or my son”.

    They are all clearly related narratives.

    If you really want to get scary you can point out that humans didn’t evolve from panthers in Africa.

    It was a very different kind of “black” animal and explain why that is far more disturbing than this comic book fantasy.

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  93. Here’s an alternative scenario for a ‘colonialist-free’ African utopia, penned by David Bullard in the South African Times a decade ago. It got him the sack, not a movie:

    Uncolonised Africa wouldn’t know what it was missing

    http://www.thetimes.co.za/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=741855
    Imagine for a moment what life would be like in South Africa if the evil white man hadn’t come to disturb the rustic idyll of the early black settlers.

    Ignored by the Portuguese and Dutch, except as a convenient resting point en route to India. Shunned by the British, who had decided that their empire was already large enough and didn’t need to include bits of Africa.

    The vast mineral wealth lying undisturbed below the Highveld soil as simple tribesmen graze their cattle blissfully unaware that beneath them lies one of the richest gold seams in the world. But what would they want with gold?

    There are no roads because no roads are needed because there are no cars. It’s 2008 and no one has taken the slightest interest in South Africa, apart from a handful of botanists and zoologists who reckon that the country’s flora and fauna rank as one of the largest unspoilt areas in a polluted world.

    Because they have never been exposed to the sinful ways of the West, the various tribes of South Africa live healthy and peaceful lives, only occasionally indulging in a bit of ethnic cleansing.

    Their children don’t watch television because there is no television to watch. Instead they listen to their grandparents telling stories around a fire. They live in single-storey huts arranged to catch most of the day’s sunshine and their animals are kept nearby.

    Nobody has any more animals than his family needs and nobody grows more crops than he requires to feed his family and swap for other crops. Ostentation is unknown because what is the point of trying to impress your fellow citizens when they are not impressible?

    The dreaded Internet doesn’t exist in South Africa and cellphone companies have laughed off any hope of interesting the inhabitants in talking expensively into a piece of black plastic. There are no unsightly shopping malls selling expensive goods made by Asian slave workers and consequently there are no newspapers or magazines carrying articles comparing the relative merits of ladies’ handbags.

    Whisky, the curse of the white man, isn’t known in this undeveloped land and neither are cigars. The locals brew a sort of beer out of vegetables and drink it out of shallow wooden bowls. Five-litre paint cans have yet to arrive in South Africa.

    Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. The family mourn for a week or so and then have another child. Life is, on the whole, pretty good but there is something vital missing. Being unaware of the temptations of the outside world, nobody knows what it is. Fire has been discovered and the development of the wheel is coming on nicely but the tribal elders are still aware of some essential happiness ingredient they still need to discover. Praying to the ancestors is no help because they are just as clueless.

    Then something happens that will change this undisturbed South Africa forever. Huge metal ships land on the coast and big metal flying birds are sent to explore the sparsely populated hinterland. They are full of men from a place called China and they are looking for coal, metal, oil, platinum, farmland, fresh water and cheap labour and lots of it. Suddenly the indigenous population realise what they have been missing all along: someone to blame. At last their prayers have been answered.

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    And in the meantime, nobody has ever thought to throw a saddle on a zebra.
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  94. @Anonymous
    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.

    The British had to wait to take control of New Zealand until the Maoris got done shooting enough of each other with their new muskets.

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    The Musket Wars were a series of as many as 3,000 battles and raids fought throughout New Zealand as well as the Chatham Islands among Māori between 1807 and 1845, after Māori first obtained muskets and then engaged in an intertribal arms race in order to gain territory or seek revenge for past defeats.[1] The battles resulted in the loss of between 20,000 and 40,000 lives and the enslavement of tens of thousands of Māori and significantly altered the rohe, or tribal territorial boundaries, before the imposition of colonial government in the 1840s.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars
    , @BRF
    Musket Wars were utu on steroids.
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  95. maybe panther is just another get out the black vote scheme, the ferguson ,blm ,trayvon thing is a little tired.

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  96. @anon
    Yes. There should be a PSA to all people in the ghetto. Cell phone cameras should be operated in the "landscape" orientation. Handguns should be operated in the "portrait" orientation.

    Whenever I see some stupid woman holding her crappy iPhone in portrait mode I show her this video:

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  97. These people know that it’s a comic book movie not a documentary, right?

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    These people know that it’s a comic book movie not a documentary, right?
     
    Evidently not.
    , @J.Ross
    You touch upon a problem that extends far beyond this movie and this group. The whole point of SJWs demanding minority casting is their belief that the most fictitious story has to be pretty much real, and that mass media images control reality by limiting the imaginable. Hence Michael Moore's "the suspect was a black male" segment in one of his movies (Bowling for Columbine?). In other words, a total non-racist is not allowed to have an all-white story or a satirically stereotypical black character because these people just don't have the mental flexibility. Many normies watch massively inaccurate shows like Mad Men and think these are nearly documentaries.
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  98. By SALAMISHAH TILLET?

    I love the first name. How do they come up with these? Maybe diversity-scrabble — beats David Brooks, I guess.

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    I like the last name, too--like an Homage to Emmett Till. "Emmett Till and the Tillets," like Gladys Knight and the Pips."
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  99. I’ve been watching more network tv than usual this week, because of the Super Bowl and now the Olympics, and it’s striking how much ads are dominated entirely by blacks and whites, with hardly any Asians and Hispanics. Blacks had a lot of problems in the 80s- maybe more than now- but their cultural dominance was real; there were a ton of black movie and musical stars who’d earned their fame. Now, it’s a lot of ersatz celebrity- every other anonymous face in an ad is black, or astroturfed cultural happenings like Black Panther. So I’d guess enthusiasm for comic book movies from the New York Times and random black Twitter e-celebrities et al is about forgetting how a more diverse society has made black culture lamer.

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    "I’ve been watching more network tv than usual this week, because of the Super Bowl and now the Olympics, and it’s striking how much ads are dominated entirely by blacks and whites, with hardly any Asians and Hispanics."

    OMG yes.

    I always flick off the sound and do something else during the commercials, because conscience & I simply hate all commercials, Super Bowl or no, but even when you turn the sound off I can see the visuals, and that is def. the case, except for the notorious "We're all Equal" baby commercial which had the requisite amount of Latino/Asian squealers...

    But my sources (Google) told me is that this year the ad agencies picked up some disquiet in the ranks, and notably softened the anti-white messages. Yeah, they were full of the false racial amity and buddy-buddy BS, but they weren't stridently anti-white.

    My fear is that the pressure will lessen and the ad agencies will go back to their customary anti-white hate ads.

    My hope is that the white public will continue to turn off, spurn this false olive branch, and create a profound cultural shift.

    My mind is somewhere in between the poles of fear and hope.

    I'm still in a rage about the Love Kills ad. That's when I got red-pilled. I can't find it online anymore (it might well have been deep-6'd) but briefly, it showed a white girl getting accidentally-on-purpose clocked by a black girl, with a hapless black man sitting between them on a park bench. The white girl was a real Becky.

    The look on the black girl's face was pure triumph. When I saw that I said to myself, "this is not my country anymore."
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  100. (thanks to vibranium, a mineral with energy-manipulating qualities)

    Whoa, they coined this Vibranium way back in 1966? Maybe Vibranium is Vibrantium in British English. If Vibranium is the source for making black communities vibrant, well, it would make a lot of sense. We on this blog know Vibranium as “tragic dirt”.

    The idea espoused by the establishment is that the more Vibranium an area has, the better, until it starts to resemble Detroit or Joburg, in which case, it is in reality not so good and the fault of whites for fleeing or something. But maybe really what makes neighborhoods good is Whitanium. The more Whitanium an area has, the better, and adding Vibranium to it only makes it progressively worse. Have pure Whitanium and you get a Whitopia.

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  101. @anon

    In this sense, “Black Panther” is as much an alternative to our contemporary racial discourse as it is a throwback, not only a desire for what could have been but also a nostalgia for what we once had.
     
    Jesus Christ, these people...

    If this was anything like what Africa was like before colonization, how were we able to colonize them? Did their magic Iron Man suits all short out the day before we got there?


    “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again.
     
    I've mentioned before that I still haven't noticed the world being much more "on fire" than it was two or three years ago, and wondering when the reality of all their failed predictions was going to catch up with these morons.

    But I guess the answer to that is probably "never", since I now know that pretty much all Democratic voters think comic books actually are real. It's not what I would have hoped for, but at least now the issue is out there, and can be discussed.

    PREDICTION:

    If/when the liberal elites who are gushing over ‘The Black Panther’ actually go to see it, they will go to a predominantly white movie theater.

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  102. @Arclight
    Overall it's just kind of sad. Escapism is fine, and I get the desire of black Americans to imagine themselves being connected to some amazing civilization that is on par or better than the Western European/North American ones of real life. But rather than reflect on what exactly made those nations' culture/achievements so powerful or perhaps consider how that could be incorporated into their own existence, woke journalists just engage in 'what ifs' that are completely untethered from historical reality, and only exist in comic books.

    Eh, I dunno. I’m told Star Trek has, at various time, portrayed a world in which conflict between humans was eliminated. I don’t know how realistic that was. Aspirational movies seem pretty reasonable to me, and indeed can be a positive influence.

    Maybe Black Panther will encourage a few black kids to be the best they can be. Isn’t that a good thing? Maybe a few will go to college instead of a life of crime. While I believe strongly that there are significant differences between the races, I’m not at all convinced that blacks are currently performing at the highest level that they could. Maybe, in some small part, this movie could help.

    Now, if the movie is mostly “blame whitey”, then I’ll change my mind.

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  103. @syonredux
    We can all be glad that Stan Lee turned down Jack Kirby's original design for the character:


    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/04/jack-kirby-black-panther-early-design001.jpg

    Jack Kirby wanted to call this character “the Coal Tiger.” What’s a coal tiger? You might well ask. Kirby was a talented artist, but given to weird flights of fancy if left to his own devices. He needed Stan to keep him tethered to earth and give him some humor. When Kirby moved to DC Comics in 1970, he was given free rein to invent his own characters and write his own stories. The resulting “New Gods” nonsense was unreadable—similar to what he and Stan had done with Thor at Marvel, but Kirby couldn’t write his way out of a wet paper bag.

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  104. @Half Canadian
    Go to Ethiopia, it was never colonized. And how did that turn out?

    Switch the colours and this would be white supremacists dreaming.

    Ethiopia was occupied by Italy from 1935 to 1941/43.

    Liberia proclaimed its independence in 1847 and has since been a hugely successful country.

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  105. @Ripple Earthdevil

    For Marc Bernardin, an author of the comic book “Genius” and host of the podcast “Fatman on Batman” with the director Kevin Smith, the movie taps into “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again. A time where devaluation of young black life wasn’t as stark and awful as it feels like it is right now.”
     
    Wait, didn't the most horrific examples of the devaluation of young black life, the brutal murders of St. Trayvon, St. Mike and St. Freddie occur during the presidency of our enlightened racial healer? And the resulting on-fireness of Ferguson, Baltimore, and all the rest?

    They never stop pumping out the narrative and bending it to their current purposes, the NYT and their ilk and whatever "representative of the black community" they can get to editorialize it. And with the release of Black Panther coming up in a week us white privileged get gifted with extra doses of blackity-black.

    I’ve often wondered where the “black community” is, but all I can come up with is those blighted areas in cities where there’s an MLK Boulevard. Maybe that’s what they mean when they mention the “black community”,.

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  106. There’s a black superhero character in Superboy’s Legion of Superheroes, Tyroc, who also came from an advanced African city-state island, Marzal, and I believe there’s now a tv series in the making about this Teen Justice League from the future:

    “Tyroc and his people were descended from African slaves who revolted on a ship during middle passage in the 18th century. Once all the slavers were set adrift, the liberated Africans settled on their own island off the coast of Africa, and built a civilization. Much to their surprise, their island paradise had a “Brigadoon-like” existence and disappeared from this dimension on a regular schedule every 200 years.

    Left on their own, the islanders developed an advanced, highly technological civilization, with extreme isolationist tendencies. Marzalians believed that the people of Earth had ignored their island. As a result, outsiders were not welcome on Marzal.”

    Again, left on their own, fictional Africans never fail to create advanced civilizations! Maybe we could do a real-life experiment in Africa, leaving an area (as broad as one wishes) totally isolated from the rest of the world for a couple of centuries so they can finally thrive as a people, without the evil interference of the white man’s bad juju!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyroc

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  107. @Peterike
    The black future, as was.

    https://youtu.be/gjKFCYzqq-A

    I know it. Bootsy Collins gets no credit from today’s cullut people for trying to Bring tha Fonk. He is a true cullut visionary who is being ignored by both gangsta culture and the Hate Whitey intellectual movement.

    Its a tragedy, I tell ya.

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  108. @celt darnell
    When white people first encountered sub-saharan Africans (i.e. before colonialism) the Africans didn't have written languages or even the wheel. Anything vaguely resembling even rudimentary mathematics was unknown. The mud hut was their greatest architectural achievement. Again this was all before Africa was colonized. Whatever colonialism's faults, it didn't retard Africa -- quite the reverse.

    So exactly how would the absence of colonialism make Wankhanda possible?

    Ju-ju?

    “The mud hut was their greatest architectural achievement.”

    No way. The thorn boma was a greater achievement than the mud hut. See, that’s what happens when honkies try to discuss Wakanda. Y’all get it all wrong.

    ” Whatever colonialism’s faults, it didn’t retard Africa — quite the reverse. ”

    Of course it didn’t. Africa was ALREADY retarded before colonialism came busting.

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  109. @D. K.
    Here is Wikipedia.org's list of the most populous cities in the United States:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

    None of the twenty most populous cities in the United States has a Black majority; Philadelphia is the highest of those, at 42.8% Black. Many, if not most, of those twenty cities has a smaller Black portion of its population than does the country as a whole. The twenty-first most populous city in the United States is our capital, Washington, D.C.-- which no longer has a majority Black population, as it long had. You have to go down to #23, Detroit, to get to a populous American city with a Black majority.

    Maybe you just have to go to the City Council chambers to find the black majority. ;-)

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  110. @Anonymous
    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.

    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.

    Old rule of technological diffusion: people can only acquire tech that they already possessed the capacity to make.

    So, did the early 19th century Zulu have the capacity to discover gun-powder and gunsmithing on their own?

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  111. @Steve Sailer
    The British had to wait to take control of New Zealand until the Maoris got done shooting enough of each other with their new muskets.

    The Musket Wars were a series of as many as 3,000 battles and raids fought throughout New Zealand as well as the Chatham Islands among Māori between 1807 and 1845, after Māori first obtained muskets and then engaged in an intertribal arms race in order to gain territory or seek revenge for past defeats.[1] The battles resulted in the loss of between 20,000 and 40,000 lives and the enslavement of tens of thousands of Māori and significantly altered the rohe, or tribal territorial boundaries, before the imposition of colonial government in the 1840s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket_Wars

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  112. @inertial
    I wonder how this movie will do in China.

    I wonder how this movie will do in Africa?

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  113. @D. K.
    Here is Wikipedia.org's list of the most populous cities in the United States:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

    None of the twenty most populous cities in the United States has a Black majority; Philadelphia is the highest of those, at 42.8% Black. Many, if not most, of those twenty cities has a smaller Black portion of its population than does the country as a whole. The twenty-first most populous city in the United States is our capital, Washington, D.C.-- which no longer has a majority Black population, as it long had. You have to go down to #23, Detroit, to get to a populous American city with a Black majority.

    Thank you – I stand corrected BUT (yeah, I know)

    In the cities where people walk around and form impressions by walking around, unlike car cities like LA where people form impressions in more diffuse ways, blacks are a significant minority. A great example is Philadelphia, where the black share of the populace is 3.5X their share in the total population of the US. In NYC they are 25% and only in Manhattan do they form the proportional 12% – although visually many Hispanics are black….

    Bottom line: You are right, but I think there are good reasons for people to think that blacks form a larger share of the US population than they do. It’s a perfect example that people should drill down deeper and get some facts –

    Including me!

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  114. @Spotted Toad
    I’ve been watching more network tv than usual this week, because of the Super Bowl and now the Olympics, and it’s striking how much ads are dominated entirely by blacks and whites, with hardly any Asians and Hispanics. Blacks had a lot of problems in the 80s- maybe more than now- but their cultural dominance was real; there were a ton of black movie and musical stars who’d earned their fame. Now, it’s a lot of ersatz celebrity- every other anonymous face in an ad is black, or astroturfed cultural happenings like Black Panther. So I’d guess enthusiasm for comic book movies from the New York Times and random black Twitter e-celebrities et al is about forgetting how a more diverse society has made black culture lamer.

    “I’ve been watching more network tv than usual this week, because of the Super Bowl and now the Olympics, and it’s striking how much ads are dominated entirely by blacks and whites, with hardly any Asians and Hispanics.”

    OMG yes.

    I always flick off the sound and do something else during the commercials, because conscience & I simply hate all commercials, Super Bowl or no, but even when you turn the sound off I can see the visuals, and that is def. the case, except for the notorious “We’re all Equal” baby commercial which had the requisite amount of Latino/Asian squealers…

    But my sources (Google) told me is that this year the ad agencies picked up some disquiet in the ranks, and notably softened the anti-white messages. Yeah, they were full of the false racial amity and buddy-buddy BS, but they weren’t stridently anti-white.

    My fear is that the pressure will lessen and the ad agencies will go back to their customary anti-white hate ads.

    My hope is that the white public will continue to turn off, spurn this false olive branch, and create a profound cultural shift.

    My mind is somewhere in between the poles of fear and hope.

    I’m still in a rage about the Love Kills ad. That’s when I got red-pilled. I can’t find it online anymore (it might well have been deep-6′d) but briefly, it showed a white girl getting accidentally-on-purpose clocked by a black girl, with a hapless black man sitting between them on a park bench. The white girl was a real Becky.

    The look on the black girl’s face was pure triumph. When I saw that I said to myself, “this is not my country anymore.”

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  115. @Half Canadian
    Go to Ethiopia, it was never colonized. And how did that turn out?

    Switch the colours and this would be white supremacists dreaming.

    Hell, go to Liberia. It was colonized by African Americans, and we know how that turned out.

    African American colonists were run out of Liberia with their tails between their legs by the local Krahn people and skedaddled back to the United States where white folks take care of them and keep them safe.

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  116. I can honestly say, that on NO other site on the internet, media source or group has this movie been so thoroughly hyped, as it has on Unz.com.

    I know you’re going to lie, but more than half of you “grown men” are going to this silly, comic-book movie, you just spend WAY to much time thinking about it. There have been like 25 articles on this movie this month!

    Stan Lee and the Kadre of Old Khazars thanks you, through me.

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    I can honestly say, the only way I and a number of other people I know, will ever (if we do) see it will be when it comes on tv for free*, or can check it out at the library for free.

    I've done that for a number of movies at this point. That was the case with the 'Black Heimdall' movies, 'Black Nick Fury' movies, and will now be the case for this one. Some movies (I'm looking at you, Django) are so blatantly anti-white that I won't even watch them for free.

    They can make it, but no reason I have to waste my money on it or lend them my support. We may be forced to chip in to cover affirmative action for blacks, but so far at least, we aren't required to chip in on agitprop like this. Not that blacks aren't expecting affirmative action for even this movie, demanding no bad ratings to be given, pushing for free tickets for black kids, etc.


    *- Yes, cable (or netflix or whatever you have) is not free, but a subscription is already paid for anyway, so I pay nothing extra for it if I watch there.

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  117. @syonredux
    YT doesn't deserve to live on the same planet with Wakandans....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900071-wakanda_t_chaka_bp_v4_issue_3__un.jpg

    This is just the “powerful, wise Aliens giving humans a lesson” scenario, only with different role players.

    Are maybe they are from Däniken’s Atlantis. Yes, after the destruction of Atlantis, the Atlantides settled in West Africa, from where they continued to expand into the solar system. They are currently trolling NASA on Mars, which is why there are so many “image analysis reveals alien mystery on Mars” on youtube.

    It makes sense.

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  118. Some people seem to believe the movie is evidence of something:

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  119. @Anonymous
    This film should be very helpful in waking up cuck whites to the psychic realities of the black population.

    Wakanda HAD to have some form of African Big Man (or big man's wife & children) government. Anything else would be considered repulsively white.

    Blacks don't give a damn about Western Civilization. The entire WC project is dismissed as either evil, sick, gay, nerdy or crazy/incomprehensible.

    So, yeah, their fantasy world Afro-Futurist nation is a retrograde absolute monarchy with certain civic freedoms and high tech magically tacked onto the society.

    What do you think the Trump following is? Absolute monarchy is the norm for civilization, white or black. Blacks are just too stupid to come up with rationalizations about why it is wrong to show their intelligence.

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  120. @MikeCLT
    These people know that it’s a comic book movie not a documentary, right?

    These people know that it’s a comic book movie not a documentary, right?

    Evidently not.

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  121. I wonder what the over/under of Black Panther related in-theater shootings will be? My guess is about 5, but the tricky part will be getting any accurate media reports on shootings at Black Panther viewings. It’ll be like the vague reporting on “youths” in urban flash mobs. Victims will just be referred to generically as “moviegoers.”

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  122. You have to be incredibly good to be a successful actor and carry a TV show or movie. In the era of the Internet, competition is global. I can see why black Americans might feel that their chances for success in media are limited by competition with black British actors, just like white US actors have to compete with Australians like Russell Crowe or the British gentleman below who somehow manages to seem more culturally American than his American peers.

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  123. I wonder, will the black panther kang be asexual, homosexual but on the down low, have a harem of white doxies or will his true love be one of Wakanda’s many queenz?

    If a movie based on a white superhero featured an all white ethnostate we’d be treated to snide remarks from the (((usual suspects))) and their goy tools in the media about how it is “too white bread” and “appallingly white” but those same barbs aren’t being leveled at Wakanda for being black as the night with not even a few token Asians and whites thrown in.

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  124. @celt darnell
    Um yeah, just like your country cheerfully did business with both Ian Smith's Rhodesia and South Africa's Apartheid regime. Like just about every other black African country.

    It was the white nations that economically starved those two states -- you Africans just chattered indignantly out of one side of your mouths and talked business with them out of the other.

    But then you clowns have never been the real threat -- white peoples' most dangerous enemies are other whites.

    It is especially despicable on the part of (((whites))) who so often bray their outrage at fantasy-based beliefs,( some people have horns, kill children, control the gubmint,etc) providing blacks with this lunatic fantasy and telling them,”This is what you’d be…except for the white man!”
    Two ironic points emerge: 1)There are many white people who believe their society would be wealthier and more advanced than it is,but for being “colonized”by another (((group))). So Wakanda is TRUE,except not for Africans!
    2)The King of Wakanda is…are you ready…white. Course I haven’t seen the movie,but it seems he is the kind of brooding,thoughtful,reliable and tough,but right-minded hero who has appeared in a million movie roles as a bullet headed Saxon mothers son!
    As opposed to,say,Sweet Sweetback, Melvin Peebles’ iteration of the ultimate black man,the Pimp. Sweetback is what you get when blacks feel free to chase their own vision,white people, and black boogies,be damned.
    Me? I was a little boy who’d see the ads for this movie in the paper and think,”Damn I’d love to see this!” At the time there was another theatre,the Aardvark,somewhere around Old Town,which promised a different sort of fun,as porn began to work it’s way into the light. Would’ve liked to have dropped by there too.

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  125. @celt darnell
    Um yeah, just like your country cheerfully did business with both Ian Smith's Rhodesia and South Africa's Apartheid regime. Like just about every other black African country.

    It was the white nations that economically starved those two states -- you Africans just chattered indignantly out of one side of your mouths and talked business with them out of the other.

    But then you clowns have never been the real threat -- white peoples' most dangerous enemies are other whites.

    Sure, keep believing that.

    In reality, though, the SA region struggle that beat back the Portuguese was won despite the willingness of the Israelis, Brits and US to do business with SA and Rhodesia.

    The struggle was won with black blood, black gold, Russian arms and Cuban advice.

    Tis a shame though, shouldn’t you be busy saving your fellow Scots from the heels of the Angles rather than believing in an ideology as harebrained as white solidarity?

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  126. @songbird
    Oh, don't get me wrong - he was helped. But that was mostly by the local slaves, which he estimated comprised 2/3 of the population. Not the local kingdom which robbed him and tried to make him a slave. He was finally killed, it was supposed, because his group was mistaken for a raiding tribe. Paradise it was not, but there certainly weren't any cannibals in that part of Africa.

    But I'd encourage everyone to read the book. It's a good adventure story. Interesting history too.

    It was the 18th century, barely anywhere was paradise¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Oh, that's true enough too. Trouble is many don't know that. Kingdoms are too often idealized.

    Many people are angry about colonial era borders. But they don't seem to realize that many European countries have dialects which might as well be different languages. Many were put together as hodgepodges. Monte Negro even had different tribes up until fairly recently.
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  127. @anon

    In this sense, “Black Panther” is as much an alternative to our contemporary racial discourse as it is a throwback, not only a desire for what could have been but also a nostalgia for what we once had.
     
    Jesus Christ, these people...

    If this was anything like what Africa was like before colonization, how were we able to colonize them? Did their magic Iron Man suits all short out the day before we got there?


    “the cultural longing for what Obama was, the time in which you didn’t check your phone every day hoping the world wasn’t on fire again.
     
    I've mentioned before that I still haven't noticed the world being much more "on fire" than it was two or three years ago, and wondering when the reality of all their failed predictions was going to catch up with these morons.

    But I guess the answer to that is probably "never", since I now know that pretty much all Democratic voters think comic books actually are real. It's not what I would have hoped for, but at least now the issue is out there, and can be discussed.

    If I am not mistaken–and it is likely, given how few neurons I allow to touch any of this topic–the Kevin Smith quoted there is the same guy who directed Dogma and envisioned god as a blank-faced hippie chick. (His multicultural superhero comic book version of the second coming. Or something. I never quite got it. Though in the entire movie there was one line I found poignant and memorable.)

    If this guy, he has been casting around for meaning in his life ever since his popes threw him and people like him under the bus starting in the ’60s and ’70s to indulge in guitar masses, footwashing, Third World people trafficking, real estate speculation, and child-bothering.

    Not surprising he’d be devastated by any challenge to his own (carefully implanted) worship of black blackity blackness. In the larger sense that’s the goal of the infotainment cathedragogue, innit?

    a nostalgia for what we once had

    I’ll just let that float there.

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  128. @anon
    That isn’t a particularly good argument. In living memory for some here, the Soviets colonised Eastern Europe for example.

    It's a very good argument. The Eastern Europeans didn't have space-age armored suits made out of imaginary materials, did they?

    I read the initial sentence of what “we once had” as independence. Of course it as an argument has its own flaws.

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    You have independence now. No need for nostalgia, or comic book movies. Just go out into the jungle and start sciencin'.
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  129. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “John Dunn and Cetshwayo: the Material Foundations of Political Power in the Zulu Kingdom, 1857–1878″, Charles Ballard, The Journal of African History, Volume 21, Issue 1, January 1980 , pp. 75-91:

    “John Dunn entered Zululand in 1857… he exploited Zulu social institutions to his political and economic advantage. His accumulation of land, cattle, wives and clients made him one of the wealthiest men in the Zulu kingdom. …his access to firearms made Dunn a powerful figure in the Zulu kingdom

    …Dunn’s varied career as a trader, labour recruiter, arms supplier and adviser underlines… white frontiersmen operating in… zones that straddled the boundaries separating black African states from white colonial societies…

    … Dunn became involved in Zululand’s internal affairs during a period of political turbulence and internecine warfare. The civil war of 1856 had killed off no less than eight potential heirs to the throne… The control of vital resources… and firearms was a crucial factor in Cetshwayo’s accession in 1873. John Dunn played a major role in providing the material foundations of Cetshwayo’s power…”

    John Robert Dunn (wikipedia):

    “…a South African settler, hunter, and diplomat…

    …orphaned as a teenager, and lived in native dress on the land near the Tugela River. His conversance with Zulu customs and language allowed his increasing influence among Zulu princes…

    …acted as Catshwayo’s secretary and diplomatic adviser and was rewarded with chieftainship, land, livestock and two Zulu virgins…

    …In the run-up to the Zulu War, he was served with an ultimatum by the British at the same time as Cetshwayo… he took many Zulu women as wives and left a large Christian progeny…

    …During the 1860s he was involved in the trade of firearms into Zululand

    …he was already married to Catherine Pierce… he accepted a total of 48 Zulu wives during his lifetime, much to Catherine’s disapproval… two wives presented to him by Cetshwayo after a gift of two firearms…”

    “Zulu descendants of Scot who fathered 117 children win fight with squatters”, Fred Bridgland, The Telegraph, 15 Aug 2004:

    “The heirs of South Africa’s most famous Scottish immigrant, John Dunn of Inverness, who fathered more than 117 children by 48 Zulu wives, have won a High Court case giving them permanent rights to land granted them by the Zulu king Cetshwayo.

    The extended Dunn family, numbering about 6,000 individuals…”

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  130. @syonredux
    Wakanda is a beacon of hope.....


    https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2900119-wakanda_cure_for_cancer_black_panther_v4_issue_3.jpg

    … DNA from bone ash !! …

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  131. @Half Canadian
    Go to Ethiopia, it was never colonized. And how did that turn out?

    Switch the colours and this would be white supremacists dreaming.

    Hmmmm…. Call it “The White Wolf” in the land of Hyperborea, and the magic resource is hard work, discipline, and inventiveness…

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  132. @HighRhodes
    Here's an alternative scenario for a 'colonialist-free' African utopia, penned by David Bullard in the South African Times a decade ago. It got him the sack, not a movie:


    Uncolonised Africa wouldn’t know what it was missing

    www.thetimes.co.za/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=741855
    Imagine for a moment what life would be like in South Africa if the evil white man hadn’t come to disturb the rustic idyll of the early black settlers.



    Ignored by the Portuguese and Dutch, except as a convenient resting point en route to India. Shunned by the British, who had decided that their empire was already large enough and didn’t need to include bits of Africa.

    The vast mineral wealth lying undisturbed below the Highveld soil as simple tribesmen graze their cattle blissfully unaware that beneath them lies one of the richest gold seams in the world. But what would they want with gold?

    There are no roads because no roads are needed because there are no cars. It’s 2008 and no one has taken the slightest interest in South Africa, apart from a handful of botanists and zoologists who reckon that the country’s flora and fauna rank as one of the largest unspoilt areas in a polluted world.

    Because they have never been exposed to the sinful ways of the West, the various tribes of South Africa live healthy and peaceful lives, only occasionally indulging in a bit of ethnic cleansing.

    Their children don’t watch television because there is no television to watch. Instead they listen to their grandparents telling stories around a fire. They live in single-storey huts arranged to catch most of the day’s sunshine and their animals are kept nearby.

    Nobody has any more animals than his family needs and nobody grows more crops than he requires to feed his family and swap for other crops. Ostentation is unknown because what is the point of trying to impress your fellow citizens when they are not impressible?

    The dreaded Internet doesn’t exist in South Africa and cellphone companies have laughed off any hope of interesting the inhabitants in talking expensively into a piece of black plastic. There are no unsightly shopping malls selling expensive goods made by Asian slave workers and consequently there are no newspapers or magazines carrying articles comparing the relative merits of ladies’ handbags.

    Whisky, the curse of the white man, isn’t known in this undeveloped land and neither are cigars. The locals brew a sort of beer out of vegetables and drink it out of shallow wooden bowls. Five-litre paint cans have yet to arrive in South Africa.

    Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. The family mourn for a week or so and then have another child. Life is, on the whole, pretty good but there is something vital missing. Being unaware of the temptations of the outside world, nobody knows what it is. Fire has been discovered and the development of the wheel is coming on nicely but the tribal elders are still aware of some essential happiness ingredient they still need to discover. Praying to the ancestors is no help because they are just as clueless.

    Then something happens that will change this undisturbed South Africa forever. Huge metal ships land on the coast and big metal flying birds are sent to explore the sparsely populated hinterland. They are full of men from a place called China and they are looking for coal, metal, oil, platinum, farmland, fresh water and cheap labour and lots of it. Suddenly the indigenous population realise what they have been missing all along: someone to blame. At last their prayers have been answered.

    And in the meantime, nobody has ever thought to throw a saddle on a zebra.

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  133. @istevefan

    Created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Black Panther was the first black superhero in mainstream comics, making his debut in Marvel’s Fantastic Four No. 52 in 1966.
     
    If Black Panther is about black pride and such, how do they square it with the fact that, a) it's fiction, and b) it wasn't even created by blacks?

    Call off your white man’s logic.

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  134. @syonredux
    Wakanda will reach the stars.....


    https://78.media.tumblr.com/adf71ed3d8371ec651277f8a0171d5c5/tumblr_inline_nhj33pFw2h1sibvk8.jpg

    Blacks already beat the blakkity-blacks into space:

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  135. @syonredux

    Quartermain has never been done justice on film, but I think it missed the boat. I don’t expect to see a new movie, and if they make one, they will turn him into some cowardly fool whose henchman is the real hero.
     
    Yeah, the Alan Quatermain films are a fairly wretched lot. The ones with Richard Chamberlain (where they simply turned Quatermain into Indiana Jones) were particularly bad. I think that maybe the best one is the 1950 version of King Solomon's Mines with Stewart Granger and Deborah Kerr.

    Which one was Sharon Stone’s film debut? My wife and I read the credits in the theatre specifically to see who she was, because we thought she was the worst actress we had ever seen.

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    Which one was Sharon Stone’s film debut? My wife and I read the credits in the theatre specifically to see who she was, because we thought she was the worst actress we had ever seen.
     
    Oof. Yeah, she was terrible, and she was in both of Richard Chamberlain's Quatermain flicks, King Solomon's Mines and Alan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold. They weren't her debut, though. Sharon Stone first appeared on film in Woody Allen's Stardust Memories.
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  136. @Anonymous
    Hard to dismiss out of hand. Their expansion was driven by the appropriation of maize agriculture from the Portuguese in Mozambique. Given their numerical superiority, if they had firearms, the Boers and British would probably have been toast.
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  137. @Dr. Doom
    What are the odds they are actually hiding from the other blacks that might steal their magical vibranium that makes technology possible without engineering or skill? The King Blech Panter actually beat Captain America in a fight. And that's why he's still the Dictator Today and needs not fear the spectre of democracy.

    Has Dr. Doom ever turned his acquisitive eye toward Wakanda? The collision of high-tech armies and ruthless monarchs would shake the very pillars of Midgard!

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    Has Dr. Doom ever turned his acquisitive eye toward Wakanda? The collision of high-tech armies and ruthless monarchs would shake the very pillars of Midgard!
     
    It was a sad moment, two Men of Color (Doom's despite his whitewashing by the racist media, Doom is Romani) fighting each other when they should be combining forces in the never-ending struggle against European Hegemony.

    http://www.comicsrecommended.com/images/longform/black-panther-civil-war-upper3.jpg
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  138. @syonredux
    We can all be glad that Stan Lee turned down Jack Kirby's original design for the character:


    http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/dynamics/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2012/04/jack-kirby-black-panther-early-design001.jpg

    I like Coal Tiger better.

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  139. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    I can honestly say, that on NO other site on the internet, media source or group has this movie been so thoroughly hyped, as it has on Unz.com.

    I know you're going to lie, but more than half of you "grown men" are going to this silly, comic-book movie, you just spend WAY to much time thinking about it. There have been like 25 articles on this movie this month!

    Stan Lee and the Kadre of Old Khazars thanks you, through me.

    I can honestly say, the only way I and a number of other people I know, will ever (if we do) see it will be when it comes on tv for free*, or can check it out at the library for free.

    I’ve done that for a number of movies at this point. That was the case with the ‘Black Heimdall’ movies, ‘Black Nick Fury’ movies, and will now be the case for this one. Some movies (I’m looking at you, Django) are so blatantly anti-white that I won’t even watch them for free.

    They can make it, but no reason I have to waste my money on it or lend them my support. We may be forced to chip in to cover affirmative action for blacks, but so far at least, we aren’t required to chip in on agitprop like this. Not that blacks aren’t expecting affirmative action for even this movie, demanding no bad ratings to be given, pushing for free tickets for black kids, etc.

    *- Yes, cable (or netflix or whatever you have) is not free, but a subscription is already paid for anyway, so I pay nothing extra for it if I watch there.

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  140. @MikeCLT
    These people know that it’s a comic book movie not a documentary, right?

    You touch upon a problem that extends far beyond this movie and this group. The whole point of SJWs demanding minority casting is their belief that the most fictitious story has to be pretty much real, and that mass media images control reality by limiting the imaginable. Hence Michael Moore’s “the suspect was a black male” segment in one of his movies (Bowling for Columbine?). In other words, a total non-racist is not allowed to have an all-white story or a satirically stereotypical black character because these people just don’t have the mental flexibility. Many normies watch massively inaccurate shows like Mad Men and think these are nearly documentaries.

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  141. @Steve Sailer
    The British had to wait to take control of New Zealand until the Maoris got done shooting enough of each other with their new muskets.

    Musket Wars were utu on steroids.

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  142. @Anonymous
    When you do go to review a movie, you don't take a pad and pen and take notes do you? If you forget details from the movie when writing your review, do you go see the movie again?

    I tried a pen that had a green little flashlight at the tip (airplane pilots use them at night to protect their night vision), but the pen itself was lousy at writing. Then I got a small flashlight with a green lens that I cupped in my left hand as I wrote with my right. I was very discreet about shading the light as much as I could but I remember some people complaining to the PR people running the screening about my dim light annoying them and they were told that the only reason they were there was because critics like me were there. So shut up. The screening was for me and not them. Their being let in was merely a courtesy.

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  143. @Nigerian Nationalist
    I read the initial sentence of what "we once had" as independence. Of course it as an argument has its own flaws.

    You have independence now. No need for nostalgia, or comic book movies. Just go out into the jungle and start sciencin’.

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  144. “If some Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan wanted to devise an an educational curriculum for the specific purpose of handicapping and disabling black Americans, he would not be likely to come up with anything more diabolically effective than Afrocentrism”
    – Arthur Schlesinger, The Disuniting of America, p. 99

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  145. @SteveRogers42
    Has Dr. Doom ever turned his acquisitive eye toward Wakanda? The collision of high-tech armies and ruthless monarchs would shake the very pillars of Midgard!

    Has Dr. Doom ever turned his acquisitive eye toward Wakanda? The collision of high-tech armies and ruthless monarchs would shake the very pillars of Midgard!

    It was a sad moment, two Men of Color (Doom’s despite his whitewashing by the racist media, Doom is Romani) fighting each other when they should be combining forces in the never-ending struggle against European Hegemony.

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    Man, you are the education I never got!
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  146. @SteveRogers42
    Which one was Sharon Stone's film debut? My wife and I read the credits in the theatre specifically to see who she was, because we thought she was the worst actress we had ever seen.

    Which one was Sharon Stone’s film debut? My wife and I read the credits in the theatre specifically to see who she was, because we thought she was the worst actress we had ever seen.

    Oof. Yeah, she was terrible, and she was in both of Richard Chamberlain’s Quatermain flicks, King Solomon’s Mines and Alan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold. They weren’t her debut, though. Sharon Stone first appeared on film in Woody Allen’s Stardust Memories.

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    The film had a series of problems. Bad directing, bad writing. Even Chamberlain was badly miscast. Because he was the kind of classical stage actor, and a closeted gay as well, that never really fit in any of his films or tv series, particularly when playing an action character. Chamberlain always struck me as an actor playing an actor playing a part, if you get my drift.
    Ogling Sharon Stone's legs was the only reason I watched that damned Quatermain film.
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  147. @Stephen Paul Foster
    By SALAMISHAH TILLET?

    I love the first name. How do they come up with these? Maybe diversity-scrabble -- beats David Brooks, I guess.

    I like the last name, too–like an Homage to Emmett Till. “Emmett Till and the Tillets,” like Gladys Knight and the Pips.”

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  148. @Nigerian Nationalist
    It was the 18th century, barely anywhere was paradise¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Oh, that’s true enough too. Trouble is many don’t know that. Kingdoms are too often idealized.

    Many people are angry about colonial era borders. But they don’t seem to realize that many European countries have dialects which might as well be different languages. Many were put together as hodgepodges. Monte Negro even had different tribes up until fairly recently.

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  149. As all the blacks make crime great again when they get back from taxpayer funded fieldtrips to the theaters denuded of any paying customers and the obvious cleanup costs and damages are cleaned up and forgotten, the obvious fact that even in fictional Wakanda there isn’t even a single Math Whiz like Mr. Sailer or a single actual scientist or engineer, but just more Hoodoo and magic from a meteor dropped from the sky, this obvious glaring admission of a lack of actual brains, skill or hard work by blacks will not receive a single comment from “official sources”.

    The lack of academic honesty and Truth is STAGGERING.

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  150. @Anonymous
    When you do go to review a movie, you don't take a pad and pen and take notes do you? If you forget details from the movie when writing your review, do you go see the movie again?

    Nowadays movies are so predictable you don’t even have to watch them in order to grasp their content. So predictable that you can actually sleep through the screening of the movie. Being an intelligent reviewer, I bet that’s what Steve Sailer does: enjoy a well-deserved rest from blogging by taking a nap at the movies. Movie reviews write themselves.

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  151. @syonredux

    Which one was Sharon Stone’s film debut? My wife and I read the credits in the theatre specifically to see who she was, because we thought she was the worst actress we had ever seen.
     
    Oof. Yeah, she was terrible, and she was in both of Richard Chamberlain's Quatermain flicks, King Solomon's Mines and Alan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold. They weren't her debut, though. Sharon Stone first appeared on film in Woody Allen's Stardust Memories.

    The film had a series of problems. Bad directing, bad writing. Even Chamberlain was badly miscast. Because he was the kind of classical stage actor, and a closeted gay as well, that never really fit in any of his films or tv series, particularly when playing an action character. Chamberlain always struck me as an actor playing an actor playing a part, if you get my drift.
    Ogling Sharon Stone’s legs was the only reason I watched that damned Quatermain film.

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    She definitely has two of them...
    , @syonredux

    Even Chamberlain was badly miscast.
     
    To the best of my knowledge, they've never cast the right guy as Quatermain. He's short and scrawny, not a matinee idol like the actors who have played him: Stewart Granger, Richard Chamberlain, Sean Connery, etc. Here's Quatermain's self-description:

    As I looked at him I could not help thinking what a curious contrast my little dried-up self presented to his grand face and form. Imagine to yourself a small, withered, yellow-faced man of sixty-three, with thin hands, large brown eyes, a head of grizzled hair cut short and standing up like a half-worn scrubbing-brush -- total weight in my clothes, nine stone six -- and you will get a very fair idea of Allan Quatermain, commonly called Hunter Quatermain, or by the natives 'Macumazahn' -- Anglic, he who keeps a bright look-out at night, or, in vulgar English, a sharp fellow who is not to be taken in.
     
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  152. I guess if the only example of my race running any nation successfully had to be fictional, I’d be pretty disappointed. Why isn’t Black Panther from Liberia? To ask the question is to answer it.

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  153. @syonredux

    Has Dr. Doom ever turned his acquisitive eye toward Wakanda? The collision of high-tech armies and ruthless monarchs would shake the very pillars of Midgard!
     
    It was a sad moment, two Men of Color (Doom's despite his whitewashing by the racist media, Doom is Romani) fighting each other when they should be combining forces in the never-ending struggle against European Hegemony.

    http://www.comicsrecommended.com/images/longform/black-panther-civil-war-upper3.jpg

    Man, you are the education I never got!

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  154. @BB753
    The film had a series of problems. Bad directing, bad writing. Even Chamberlain was badly miscast. Because he was the kind of classical stage actor, and a closeted gay as well, that never really fit in any of his films or tv series, particularly when playing an action character. Chamberlain always struck me as an actor playing an actor playing a part, if you get my drift.
    Ogling Sharon Stone's legs was the only reason I watched that damned Quatermain film.

    She definitely has two of them…

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  155. @BB753
    The film had a series of problems. Bad directing, bad writing. Even Chamberlain was badly miscast. Because he was the kind of classical stage actor, and a closeted gay as well, that never really fit in any of his films or tv series, particularly when playing an action character. Chamberlain always struck me as an actor playing an actor playing a part, if you get my drift.
    Ogling Sharon Stone's legs was the only reason I watched that damned Quatermain film.

    Even Chamberlain was badly miscast.

    To the best of my knowledge, they’ve never cast the right guy as Quatermain. He’s short and scrawny, not a matinee idol like the actors who have played him: Stewart Granger, Richard Chamberlain, Sean Connery, etc. Here’s Quatermain’s self-description:

    As I looked at him I could not help thinking what a curious contrast my little dried-up self presented to his grand face and form. Imagine to yourself a small, withered, yellow-faced man of sixty-three, with thin hands, large brown eyes, a head of grizzled hair cut short and standing up like a half-worn scrubbing-brush — total weight in my clothes, nine stone six — and you will get a very fair idea of Allan Quatermain, commonly called Hunter Quatermain, or by the natives ‘Macumazahn’ — Anglic, he who keeps a bright look-out at night, or, in vulgar English, a sharp fellow who is not to be taken in.

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  156. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    February 16

    If you ever want to check out when a film is coming out, this is a great source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&date=2018-02-16&p=.htm

    I would plan to go see it here, if’n they ever put in one o’ them movin’-picture theatres:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wauconda%2C_Washington

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  157. Ron Clark Academy, a middle school located in southeast Atlanta, recently posted a video of its students dancing and chanting after learning they were headed to the theaters to see the action flick, out Feb. 16.

    The school, which has 120 scholars, uploaded the clip on its Facebook page Friday with the caption, “that moment when the whole school finds out they’re going to see Marvel’s new movie, Black Panther!”

    Scholars, indeed: http://abcn.ws/2BPGw8h

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  158. What alternative universe do these people live in?

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  159. I paid almost $1M for a house in nice town so my family could live without being enhanced by the Wakanda element. Basically wiped our our savings but the alternative was much worse. We have had our share of Wakanda and its a big no thanks.

    That being said I find the media’s blatant slathering over this pretty amusing. Never mind that on the TV there are black men with white women in EVERY commercial. You would have thought the country was mostly black or something. Those were the words of a white liberal friend of mine. When the liberals start to notice, it cant be good. I know, I know – white oppression, white racism, white aggressions/micro-aggression, cultural appropriation and more. We are not supposed to notice whom is pushing all of this – the group that shall never named or criticized. Go figure.

    Here I am an engineer with an undergrad in engineering and two masters in engineering, in all the years I have been doing what I have done I have yet to encounter any of these so-called magical Wakanda people. You would have though in 25+ years I would have encountered some. But nope, whatever…

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  160. Wakanda sounds great and all, but do they have wipers? That’s why my fantasy-land tourist dollars will be spent in Zamunda.

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  161. @Steve-o
    It says a lot that the black Utopia of Wakanda is an absolute monarchy whose economy thrives on literal magic dirt. The whole thing sounds like a parody of Afrocentric fantasy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBdk5hDadYE

    You got it backwards. Afrocentric theory is a parody of Wakanda.

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