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iSteve commenter Hail writes:

… some White Christians who say things like that are just waiting for a foreign group to defect to. They think there must be a foreign group out there that will somehow save us. It’s something like a political cargo cult.

The most common cargo-cult for today’s White Christian is certainly Zionism (aggressive Jewish nationalism). There are occasional cases of defections to Islam for similar reasons; others choose to defect to Mestizodom (see Jeb Bush).

But East Asia (maybe China specifically, or maybe not) could well, before mid-century, prove more popular than any competitor– except Zionism which has burrowed in deep, indeed (Godfree Roberts, an occasional Unz columnist, is one of the defectors-to-China).

Andrew Yang is China / East Asia’s vector into US politics in 2019-2020.

I’m reminded of the poem by C.P. Cavafy:

Waiting for the Barbarians
BY C. P. CAVAFY
TRANSLATED BY EDMUND KEELEY

What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?

The barbarians are due here today.

Why isn’t anything going on in the senate?
Why are the senators sitting there without legislating?

Because the barbarians are coming today.
What’s the point of senators making laws now?
Once the barbarians are here, they’ll do the legislating.

… Why don’t our distinguished orators turn up as usual
to make their speeches, say what they have to say?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and they’re bored by rhetoric and public speaking.

Why this sudden bewilderment, this confusion?
(How serious people’s faces have become.)
Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
everyone going home lost in thought?

Because night has fallen and the barbarians haven’t come.
And some of our men just in from the border say
there are no barbarians any longer.

Now what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
Those people were a kind of solution.

In general, people find it exhausting to imagine the day to day politics of their country stretching on into the far future. This explains much of the appeal of apocalyptic thinking, whether the Rapture or Climate Change. They are a kind of solution.

 
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  1. Richard S says:

    I don’t know if this counts as apocalyptic thinking, but it really does seem that Western Civilisation needs to be “turned off and on again”.

    It’s religious-style thinking to hope for deliverance from the outside.

    I’m not normally a praying man, but if you’re up there please help me Superman!

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  2. dearieme says:

    I’m reminded of the poem by C.P. Cavafy

    Thank you: it’s years since I’ve seen that.

    Anyway, the answer for white Christians is to find allies where they may – white atheists, Roman Catholics; hell’s bells, even Russians.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Dieter Kief
  3. OT
    The Final Solution to White neighborhoods discovered:

    America has a housing segregation problem. Seattle may just have the solution.

    The way housing assistance normally works…is that housing authorities…distribute money for rent to…needy families.

    The mystery for the researchers was that even after getting a subsidy, many families chose not to move to a better area…what could be done about it?

    For this experiment…people receiving vouchers…would also be given information on which neighborhoods promise the most opportunity for their kids, based on the research data.

    The experiment found that the additional support raised the share of families moving to high-opportunity neighborhoods from 14 percent to 54 percent.

    Nikki Manlapaz, a mother who moved from a low- to high-opportunity neighborhood through the program

    If it can be replicated at scale, the experimenters may have hit on a powerful new tool for dismantling residential segregation in the United States.

    [MORE]

    The idea of helping people move to “better” areas as a pathway out of poverty is not exactly new.

    … public housing residents, sued … the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development … alleging that public housing had been built purposely to “avoid the placement of Negro families in white neighborhoods,” …

    the suit ended with an agreement in which she and her co-plaintiffs got most of what they wanted

    The housing authority started finding placements for public housing recipients … in overwhelmingly white suburbs.

  4. OT, but I thought I’d update you on the latest blessing of diversity – “Chicken Shop Grooming”.

    “Criminal “chicken shop gangs” are recruiting children to drug dealing with the promise of free food, an investigation has revealed.

    The street gangs prey on school-age children who meet in fast-food outlets during the day, offering them food then money to perform increasingly dangerous tasks.

    The tactic, dubbed “chicken shop grooming”, was highlighted in evidence submitted as part of the Youth Select Committee’s investigation into the UK’s knife crime epidemic.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/chicken-shop-gangs-use-free-food-to-lure-kids-into-crime-a4210966.html

    “Kebab Shop Grooming” has been a thing for ages, as the late Charlene Downes could have told us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Charlene_Downes

  5. OT
    Twitterer with last name of “Rothschild” expresses dissapointment that a movie about millionaires who fly on a private jet to a game reserve to hunt kidnapped Trump voters is deplatformed under pressure from Trump and conservative media.

    David Rothschild

    …Republicans forced Hollywood studio to not release a finished movie weeks before launch. Regardless of content: bad precedent.

    Universal pulls release of “The Hunt” following pressure from Trump, Fox News

    “The Hunt” — a horror satire in which wealthy elitists hunt so-called “deplorables” for sport

    On Fox & Friends on Thursday, the movie was introduced as “a new movie about killing ‘deplorables’ — some calling it ‘evil’ and ‘demented.’”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  6. eah says:

    In general, people find it exhausting to imagine the day to day politics of their country stretching on into the far future.

    Tell me about it:

  7. On topic, I don’t think the Russians will save us – why should they, and what would that salvation look like? – but on the other hand they don’t seem to be actively trying to make my people’s life worse – which is more than I can say for the British elites, a remarkable percentage of whom aren’t British.

    So I wish them well. One of the most attractive things about ordinary Russians is that they don’t all seem to want to live in my country – which is more than I can say for the populations of India, China and Pakistan.

  8. Kenneth Clark refers to this poem in Civilisation concerning the end of the Roman world. The people were bored, with any interest in the future gone. Lots of mystery religions, too. The description now sounds kinda familiar.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    , @I Have Scinde
  9. Gordo says:

    ‘The Forerunners”

    THe harbingers are come. See, see their mark;
    White is their colour, and behold my head,
    But must they have my brain? must they dispark
    Those sparkling notions, which therein were bred?
    Must dulnesse turn me to a clod?
    Yet have they left me, Thou art still my God.

    Good men ye be, to leave me my best room,
    Ev’n all my heart, and what is lodged there:
    I passe not, I, what of the rest become,
    So Thou art still my God, be out of fear.
    He will be pleased with that dittie;
    And if I please him, I write fine and wittie.

    Farewell sweet phrases, lovely metaphors.
    But will ye leave me thus? when ye before
    Of stews and brothels onely knew the doores,
    Then did I wash you with my tears, and more,
    Brought you to Church well drest and clad:
    My God must have my best, ev’n all I had.

    Lovely enchanting language, sugar-cane,
    Hony of roses, whither wilt thou flie?
    Hath some fond lover tic’d thee to thy bane?
    And wilt thou leave the Church, and love a stie?
    Fie, thou wilt soil thy broider’d coat,
    And hurt thyself, and him that sings the note.

    Let foolish lovers, if they will love dung,
    And canvas, not with arras, clothe their shame:
    Let follie speak in her own native tongue.
    True beautie dwells on high: ours is a flame
    But borrow’d thence to light us thither.
    Beautie and beauteous words should go together.

    Yet if you go, I passe not; take your way:
    For, Thou art still my God, is all that ye
    Perhaps with more embellishment can say,
    Go birds of spring: let winter have his fee,
    Let a bleak palenesse chalk the doore,
    So all within be livelier then before.

    George Herbert

  10. Sean says:

    If there is an apocalypse it will not be between bull headed nuked-up humans or starting near Jerusalem, as it says in the Book of Revelation.

    In general, people find it exhausting to imagine the day to day politics of their country stretching on into the far future

    Human stupidity is overrated, and none overate it like the Everests of intellectual eminence. In direct proportion to their brilliance, the greatest minds all thought there was bound to be nuclear war once more than one country had nukes. Hence Bertrand Russell and John von Neumann advocated that America should nuke or threaten to nuke the Soviet Union to prevent them developing their own nuclear weapons.

    Scientists still think that human stupidity is the thing likely to extinguish humanity. Humans came into existence by a process as natural as entropy, or the fine grains of sand being on the surface of the beach. A machine being constructed with comparable properties to the natural phenomena that we are is quite likely. The cleverer such an artificial intelligence is, the more it will believe in human stupidity…

  11. PN says:

    As someone who has lived in East Asia for 6 years, part of that time in China, I can assure you that the prediction of a decamp to this region is 15 years out of date. It’s not going to happen.

    China is already beginning to close the door to foreigners – with the exception of here today, gone tomorrow Engrish teachers – and no other country in the region is either interested in or capable of absorbing any kind of foreign influx. If White Christians are interested in the Far East, perhaps Russia may be the path, as they’ve been trying to encourage settlement in this region since the 19th century. (Warning: Lifestyle may be far worse than what you’re used to in the West.)

    Incidentally, I would strongly advise against viewing the musings of Godfree Roberts as anything other than PRC propaganda from a trained white monkey. The same goes for his shamelessly deceptive shadow, “Yee.”

  12. On so true.
    Well done Sailer.

  13. BB753 says:

    I’m rooting for the Russians! Will Mueller probe me?

    • Replies: @Forbes
  14. Charon says:

    One man’s apocalypse is another man’s gibs. We may lament the destruction of our historic nation, but it’s facilitating greatly improved lives for millions of “New Americans” and many millions more to come.

    Bentham’s utilitarian measures would call this an improvement. Our particular curse in this forum is that we’re not as innumerate as the masses, though, and we’re capable of foreseeing that behind the millions today there will be billions tomorrow.

    Billions who will wreck everything before them, until the entire developed world resembles the worst third-world slums of today. Civilization was just a passing fancy, it turns out. Nothing to see here.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  15. Anon[278] • Disclaimer says:

    Andrew Yang is China

    Asian Americans have very little in common with Asia. If you were born in the U.S. or came here as a child, you’re an American, with an intersectional identity, but there ain’t no Asia in you.

    Imagine saying that Barrack Obama is Africa or Jesse Jackson is Africa. I’m sure he’s read some books on Africa. He travelled there. He’s spoken to Africans. But he doesn’t have any particular grok on Africa that you or I wouldn’t have having done the same amount of homework.

    And a big pet peeve: Asian Americans playing Asians in movies. This is so cringeworthy to someone who lives in Asia. You cannot take the uptalk out of the Asian Valley Girl, not to mention the eyebrow shaping and extrovert facial expressions and movement and … everything.

    In general: Any [Ethnic]-American purporting to speak for the ancestral motherland is an imposter.

  16. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:

    “The future is just like the present – only more so”.

  17. Uncle Sailer should reexamine Orlov’s Experience.

    Chinese are working hard on demise of Petro Dorar.

    You know, first slowly and gradualy, than…

  18. I am considering defecting to The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Evocatus
  19. This explains much of the appeal of apocalyptic thinking, whether the Rapture or Climate Change.

    I have to wonder why Christians who believe in the rapture get upset with atheists who agree with them that Christians have started to disappear – just not in the way shown in the unraptured Tim LaHaye’s novel, the unraptured Jack Chick’s tracts, an episode of American Dad and similar depictions of this nonsense.

    The rapture belief in general appeals strongly to people with a high time preference. Why bother to put in above-average effort to get an education, become employable, save and invest money, and generally plan for the secular future, if you expect to fly off to heaven any time now without having to die first?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  20. megabar says:

    I think dumping something and starting fresh _is_ often a good solution. You minimize risk, time, and potentially have greater upside. If there happened to be an extra uncivilized continent with wondrous harbors, temperate weather, and forests and farmland, I would likely be on a ship to it right now.

    But there isn’t, and so this natural tendency to avoid wading into a cesspool is now counterproductive. Not that I’m doing much about it other than whining on various social media.

  21. Kirt says:

    Good observation! Civil war and economic collapse are also two solutions unlikely just to happen on their own. Catastrophic defeat in a large scale war or heavy destruction to the homeland would put an end to the current system, but the elites seem to have perfected the art of small scale warfare increasingly outsourced to robots which devastates only third world countries and triggers the kind of mass migrations which the elites favor.

  22. You can’t fake Asianness, because none of its actual variants allows for it to be faked. Japanese wil never accept you as more than a gaijin, Chinese will always say you can’t become Chinese,, Indians despise most of their country and you even more.

    Similarly, you can’t fake Jewishness.

    The only solution is to pretend you are Argentine, Colombian, or some other made up, widely intermixed country, whose existence is explained mostly by lack of economic use for an occupation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @J.Ross
  23. bomag says:

    A reflection of the human penchant for joining cults.

  24. peterike says:

    We already have a full blown video interpretation of the Chinese taking over America. And ya know, it’s not that bad.

    https://www.murdochmurdoch.net/video/?play=Yellow%20Dawn

    • Replies: @El Dato
  25. Jack D says:

    They think there must be a foreign group out there that will somehow save us. It’s something like a political cargo cult.

    The most common cargo-cult for today’s White Christian is certainly Zionism (aggressive Jewish nationalism)

    I’m missing something here. Which White Christians believe that Zionists are going to save them? Leftists? Rightist fundamentalists? I’ve heard of occasional whites converting to Islam but there don’t seem to be a lot of White Christians converting to Judaism. Cargo cultism is different than apocalyptic ideology. A lot of people think that American society is morally corrupt and it won’t get better until it is overthrown by Islam or by China but nobody I know is waiting for the Zionists to show up and clean things up. I’m completely missing the analogy, other than that Zionists fall into the “bad” category along with Islamists and Chinese. Not only is it Zionism but it is “certainly” Zionism but I’m not at all certain about what is supposedly so obvious.

  26. Hopscotch says:

    One key aspect to killing off myths pertaining to national identity is to point out their finite, contrived origins. In this case, the origin of the “Great Non-Anglo Saviors” took root in the 1910’s and was epitomized by the 1916 Atlantic essay, “Trans-national America.” It took the opposite stance of the melting pot: rather than assimilating, immigrants should keep their culture, as is, and the Anglo establishment would be enriched by accommodating them.

    This would have been mocked 20 years prior. But by 1916, certain intellectual and ethnic groups found their way to the US, where they cultivated these ideas, from then to now. The 18th and 19th century immigrants saw boundless land and were filtered heavily on their ability to survive, build, and multiply. The early 20th century immigrants saw a reasonably developed country of endless, grift potential. They were filtered on their ability to bumrush cities and vote in ethnic blocs. After all, who has time for a melting pot, when there are elections to fix?

    Immigration policy since then has largely continued this trend from Grit Immigrants to Grift Immigrants. But in a Nation of Immigrants, who’s counting?

    • Agree: peterike, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Abe
    , @Hail
  27. @YetAnotherAnon

    A certain number of Russians want to live in North Hollywood.

  28. slumber_j says:

    Right: hence the pretty universal appeal of millenarianism through time and across cultures. Any such widespread phenomenon must serve a spiritual or psychological purpose, no?

    One thing suicides are after is world-erasure, after all: sometimes everything just gets too depressing and exhausting to stand.

  29. El Dato says:

    OT: Is Hong-Kong getting it good or something?

    Claims of old-school Ceaușescu tactics are being implemented (i.e. busing in muscle people in from outside) on image boards no less:

    Pro-China Gangs Invade Hong Kong – 11 Aug, 2019

    Well, it’s China.

    • Replies: @Anon2020
  30. OT

    Speaking of the apocalypse:

    ‘Death Camps For Trump Supporters’ Fliers Appear Around Long Island, N.Y.

    Fliers reading “Death Camps For Trump Supporters Now!!!” turned up at various locations throughout Long Island, N.Y., this week, including on Republicans’ homes and cars, according to Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.).

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/fliers-reading-death-camps-for-trump-supporters-now-in-ny-were-the-work-of-a-shock-theater-group/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @L Woods
  31. El Dato says:
    @advancedatheist

    Agree.

    People who profess to believe in the rapture should be removed from premises forthwith. They are toxic.

  32. G. Poulin says:
    @Anon

    Haven’t seen the word “grok” in a while.

  33. ChrisZ says:
    @John Foster

    Good point. Another familiar late Roman development was “outsourcing” security and military jobs (and day to day administration of the state) to resident aliens with little connection to Rome and its historic people, other than a mercenary motive.

    I feel certain that the current “war on cops” (in truth, white cops) is in part an effort to demoralize the European ethnicities that traditionally have been drawn to law enforcement in America: letting them know that they will be pilloried for just doing their job (policing while white?), so why bother joining up to begin with?

    Once these have been driven away (and the problem of their tendency to perform well on entrance exams is thereby resolved), then law enforcement jobs can—as in Rome—be distributed to dumber aliens, more docile to the commands of the elites, and less loyal to the historic country and people they’re supposed to protect.

    • Replies: @mc86
    , @Anon2020
    , @JMcG
  34. @Jack D

    Rolf Peter Sieferle, Heidelbergian historian, who got terminally ill two years ago and killed himself, wrote a book “Finis Germania” a short essay, not even 100 p. and had it published after his death. In this short and dense essay, Sieferle explains, that the Jewish adoration not least by the (mostly secular) Christian elite is manyfold. But in the folder is one truly surprising thing: Eternity. Innerwordly eternity via The Holocaust = the worldly sin, which’s consequences of “uncomparable” guilt and shame transcend time and space and THUS give the secular mind access to something which it obviously strives for but has no other antennae for anymore: Something bigger than him – something not subjected to the limitations of our earthly matters. In other words: The Holocaust is now the last sign for Holiness – and redemption.

    Told this ay, there are two thoughts that apply here: First, Chesterton’s remark, that if people stop believing in God, they are prone to believe in all kinds of things.

    And second: Freedom and autonomy are much harder to bear than most people would think. (This last remark of mine is open to many misinterpretations, but I’ll leave it at that for now).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @njguy73
    , @Hail
  35. Bugg says:

    We have 2 distinct and incompatible ways of how this country should work, and what it’s ideals are or should be. Barring some remarkable turnaround, once either Texas or Florida go blue, this is all over. And at that point, some kind of separation or civil war will happen. Trump is like a tactical retreat, a last gasp. We’ll have some southern and midwest and western states be one country, the coasts plus parts of some other states and Illinois another. Colin Quinn in his last show proposed it, calmly and without any rancor. I’m screwed because I’m a red guy in a blue state. Either we can do this peacefully or it will be Yugoslavia tearing itself apart by a multiple of 50.

    • Replies: @Hail
  36. jim jones says:
    @dearieme

    You will never find allies in Roman Catholics, the Pope says that Muslims are their brothers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @RadicalCenter
  37. Bring back the iron curtain!

    Reds under the beds was an excellent scare tactic to keep Americans going to church, saying their prayers, and voting against their own interests, but now that the old time mongol horde bogeymen like Stalin, Kruschev, and Leonid Brezhnev who had his very own version of the Monroe Doctrine have faded into history and been replaced by Russian leaders who look and act a lot like US leaders, it is not the same. Why, this fellow Putin can even speak English!

  38. “And second: Freedom and autonomy are much harder to bear than most people would think.”

    I was recently at a game convention, and have had similar thoughts.

    Gaming (and probably every modern hobby) is full of people who are utterly unconstrained by anything: no financial limits, no hunger, no fear of death or dismemberment. But beyond that: no social limits to dress, behavior, hairstyles, professional expectation, habit, diet, health, and so on. No boss tells them to not dye their hair, no spouse is telling them to do pushups and get on a diet, no cultural expectation of dignity, health, traditional masculinity/femininity, etc.

    The modern human is utterly and completely free.

    And when you see them, they are a disappointing and disgusting sight.

    joe

    • Replies: @njguy73
  39. @John Foster

    From “The Skin Of Our Teeth:”

    The late antique world was full of meaningless rituals, mystery religions, that destroyed self-confidence. And then exhaustion, the feeling of hopelessness which can overtake people even with a high degree of material prosperity. There is a poem by the modern Greek poet, Cavafy, in which he imagines the people of an antique town like Alexandria waiting every day for the barbarians to come and sack the city. Finally the barbarians move off somewhere else and the city is saved; but the people are disappointed — it would have been better than nothing.

    https://www.goodreads.com/415295-what-happened-it-took-gibbon-six-volumes-to-describe-the

    At about 7:30:
    m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qYjisp51M

  40. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Problem: many white neighborhoods still exist and black criminals often want to live in black neighborhoods

    Solution: Use tax dollars to move black criminals to places they don’t want to live so they can be around law abiding whites who don’t want them there.

    Thanks government!

  41. @Anon

    I lived in Honolulu for about a year about 40 years ago.

    It didn’t take me long to where I could tell the difference between a Japanese tourist and a Japanese American from Honolulu in a fraction of a second at times.

    What threw me off was running across some Japanese from California. They looked Japanese but acted just like white Mainland Americans.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Peter Johnson
  42. Jack D says:
    @Dieter Kief

    You are moving the goalposts. Hail said that the cargo cult was Zionism/”aggressive” Jewish nationalism (BTW, is say Hungarian nationalism “aggressive” or is it the good kind of nationalism?). You are saying that it is a form of (anti-)Holocaustism – we must remake the world so that the Holocaust can never be repeated. This makes a bit more sense as a New Religion (Islam, which Hail also cites, is also a religion – Chinese-ism isn’t – as I said before his thesis seems kind of muddled. As others point out you can’t convert to being Chinese).

    I haven’t really seen any evidence of any DESIRE by anyone to have the Chinese take over or for the Chinese system to be our model (as opposed to say some people who really wouldn’t mind if Putin was Czar of the World (or if we could have our own American Putin). There are some people who feel that it is INEVITABLE that that will happen if we continue to slide, but that’s not the same thing as welcoming it (remember in a cargo cult you WANT the folks with the cargo to come).

    Anti-Holocaust-ism and Zionism are two different things. People who adhere to the anti-Holocaust cult may even OPPOSE Zionism because they feel (wrongly I think) that the Israelis are threatening to holocaust the Palestinians.

    Have your own theory if you wish, but Hail was quite clear that in his view White Christians were certainly adhering to the cargo cult of aggressive Jewish nationalism. The closest group of White Christians I can think of who fit that bill are Christian Fundamentalists but I don’t get the feeling that that is who he was talking about. Aren’t Christian Fundamentalists the “good” kind of white people?

    Again, I think that Hail’s original thesis was a hopeless muddle but I appreciate your effort to rescue it.

  43. MEH 0910 says:

    OT:

    https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/AAP-Addresses-Racism-and-Its-Health-Impact-on-Children-and-Teens.aspx

    https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/144/2/e20191765

    • Replies: @Anon2020
  44. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Fowl play at work.

  45. JimB says:

    The Amish don’t read newspapers or get discouraged about climate change so they keep on having kids and raising barns.

  46. @Jack D

    Hail’s comment was bizarre, and so is Steve’s fascination with it. Further attempts on your part (or anyone else’s) to divine deeper meanings there are unlikely to bear fruit.

  47. @Anon

    Asian Valley Girl, not to mention the eyebrow shaping and extrovert facial expressions and movement

    Extrovert facial expressions? Do say more…

    • Replies: @Anon
  48. BB753 says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Were they also fatter than Japanese citizens?

  49. @YetAnotherAnon

    Clearly, we need federal background checks on purchases of fried chicken.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  50. Simon says:

    For the record, Waiting for the Barbarians is also the title of a terrific novel by Nobel laureate J. M. Coetzee. (It’s the only one of his books, aside from the bleak and horrifying Disgrace, that I’ve managed to get through — and in fact one of the few books I’ve actually read twice.) It’s most enjoyable as a sort of Ursula Le Guin-ish science fiction novel (not that Coetzee intended it that way), set in a frontier outpost on a strange primitive unnamed planet, with an unseen Empire somewhere distant, and menacing bands of barbarians lurking in the badlands somewhere beyond the fortress walls.

  51. America has too much capital, both human and natural, for everyone to sit around ignoring while it collapses into itself. Its the pump that spews vile globohomo propaganda into the world as well, so something has to be done about that too.

    Also, pretty sure the other two big boy countries would really, really enjoy sticking a thumb in the US’ eye by “supporting the freedom loving people of the Rocky Mountains and their wish to be free from a tyrannical central government” or something.

  52. Sam Patch says:

    Hail’s suggestion that “Andrew Yang is China / East Asia’s vector into US politics in 2019-2020” is absurd. Sounds like the kind of gobbledygook Anglin at the Daily Stormer likes to spout about him being a Chinese spy, etc. One of the main concepts that stuck with me from “People of the Lie” is how everyday, mundane evil is essentially about sowing confusion anywhere and everywhere.

  53. pyrrhus says:
    @Anon

    Magic Dirt can do anything, eh?

  54. Sam Patch says:
    @International Jew

    I agree. Hail’s comment was in response to something I said about the demographic fight being lost. I suggested that rather than engage in a Sisyphean struggle to preserve a white America that no longer exists, we’re better served embracing pragmatic solutions to systemic problems that affect all of us. Don’t get me wrong, Yang is horrible on immigration…but so is everyone else.

  55. Pericles says:
    @Jack D

    Go look for the ‘Scofield Bible’ and/or ‘Christian Zionism’.

  56. Clyde says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Of course no mention that these “chicken shops” are Muslim owned. Fried chicken I suppose to poison the customers more better with old deep frying grease. The owners don’t care if some Muslim gangs are grooming white girls at his filthy shop. The gangs pay him off plus he might get some side action with the doped up infidel under age girls.

  57. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    I was very surprised by Steve’s selection of it. There are lots of commenters here who have insane and irrational views about Zionism and the Joos – these views rarely stand up to careful scrutiny and often the folks who expound them don’t exactly exhibit Thomas Jefferson level clarity of thinking and intellectual rigor.

    But Steve is usually pretty clear eyed about such things – maybe by Current Year woke standards he’s an “anti-Semite” (along with being a racist, sexist, etc.) but by any normal standards he’s pretty level headed. Hail’s comment was primarily aimed at China and so maybe that’s why Steve picked it up, but his almost casual condemnation of Zionism as something that everyone should take as a given was a loaded setup that should not have gone unremarked upon.

    • Replies: @donut
  58. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @indocon
  59. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A certain number of Russians want to live in North Hollywood.

    I get the impression that Russians love living in nice sunny LA…along with Persians, Armenians and so on. I am strictly East Coast so when I visited LA I made sure to jump into the Pacific ocean. Was at Long Beach.

  60. KunioKun says:

    Some people want to be cheerleaders and they aren’t allowed to be cheerleaders for their own kind so they look for somebody else. Also, some people need their culture flashing in front of them on the TV constantly to remember it. If it is replaced on the TV with something else they think they have no culture and look elsewhere for a replacement when the trash on TV becomes too retarded.

    Growing up swimming in ((American Culture)) my first exposure to pop cultures with no or very little Jewish influence was refreshing.

    If you are getting beat by a half-pint pervert it can be nice to think that when he is done ravaging you the real tough guys are going to show up and smash him like he deserves.

    Lots of Real America type stuff exists, but it doesn’t make big bucks so it is kind of invisible. In Japan they constantly remind Japanese people that they are Japanese with endless Japanese culture items on TV. If we had that here I am sure there would be less looking abroad for something to cheer for. The Libertarian strain in the U.S. makes us abandon our zombie people, but at the end of the day we need those people. We do not need the Libertarians. The Japanese have this figured out so their zombies won’t suddenly start to think they are Judaeo-Christians anytime soon.

    Yang does not look to me like Mr China. He looks more like an academic/technocrat type who thinks if we just pay more attention to the data science team at vox.com everything will be fine and all of our disagreements will melt away. He is one of the few of that type who realizes that being an arrogant jerk and jumping up and down with glee at the thought of getting to machine gun your enemies is bad optics. I think he will appeal to people who know the left is nuts and think the right has no hope so they are desperate for somebody who isn’t into the whole naked bloodlust thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  61. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Russians historically have wanted to live in New York City and its environs. Even today.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  62. El Dato says:
    @International Jew

    That’s rather wooly writing.

    Yet the treaty, negotiated by the key players in World War I — notably France, Great Britain, Italy and the United States — was deeply flawed and could not fend off the rise of fascism, the Nazi party and, eventually, World War II.

    I thought Marty McFly attended? Didn’t they give him the mic?

    Anyway, the treaty could not destroy the Soviet Regime in its cradle either, and that actually existed and was reading to aggressively attack Europe by that time.

    Japan’s Racial Equality Proposal would have strengthened Wilson’s call for self-governance and equal opportunity. Yet, when the victors signed the treaty, that language was nowhere to be found.

    Neither was self-governance and equal opportunity, two ladies immediately raped to death by the very signatories as they rearranged European territory according to wartime promises and the desire to keep the Hun down (which was starving in the streets as France refused to lift the blockade by the way).

    Imperial Japan didn’t care much about racial equality when doing Manchuria, so this is all about USA behaving badly towards its immigrants and not having a text to keep it on the moral straight and narrow during WWII. Okay.

    The racial equality clause represented “one of the first attempts to establish … the unprecedented principle of free and open migration,” says Frederick Dickinson, a University of Pennsylvania professor of Japanese history.

    From where to where and by whom?

    Japan’s industrialization and falling mortality rates created an overpopulation problem. Following the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act, which prohibited Chinese laborers from immigrating to America, contractors on the West Coast brought Japanese migrants over to fill their need for inexpensive labor.

    I see.

    And so, by the end of World War I and the negotiations in Paris, Americans feared waves of Japanese immigrants.

    How many Japanese are we talking here?

    It occurs to me that USA using the same trick as imperial Japan did, reneging on the INF treaty as Japan did on the Washington Naval Treaty. History repeats itself, so I suppose the USA will become a big source of anime & manga in about 20 years.

  63. @Anon

    I’m reminded of the scene in Topsy-Turvy where W.S. Gilbert overrules his choreographer and brings in some actual Japanese ladies on tour in London to show his actors how to walk “exactly” in the Japanese manner.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  64. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    As I interpreted it, he’s not talking about iSteve readers but about mainstream conservatives, who take interest in Israel as a sort of subconscious, vicarious release valve for thoughts (blood and soil nationalism, whites as Israelis, non-whites as Palestinians) that are impermissible to express in an American context.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Dieter Kief
  65. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    In general: Any [Ethnic]-American purporting to speak for the ancestral motherland is an imposter.

    You miss the point. It’s not about “knowledge” of a foreign land. It’s about identity, loyalty, common cause.

  66. @International Jew

    Clearly, we need federal background checks on purchases of fried chicken.

    Disparate impact! Microaggression!

    It’s chic now to bake chicken in watermelon. All we need now for a double-diss is to figure out how to fry it.

    Deep fat?

    If You’re Not Cooking Chicken In Watermelon, You’re Doing It Wrong

  67. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    Similarly, you can’t fake Jewishness.

    Jewishness is a state of mind, a mindset, a subjective identity. Anyone can adopt it. To say it “cannot be faked” is trivial.

  68. “In general, people find it exhausting to imagine the day to day politics of their country stretching on into the far future.”

    Except for the fact that previous generations weren’t exhausted. From Manifest Destiny up to Disneyland’s Tomorrowland, people took it as a given that politics would continue as always, and that the future would always be better and brighter in every way. Perhaps when the government ceased to attract men of character was when the rot set in and attacked the system. Cynicism regarding the future also led to exhaustion, which is why people want to be released from daily reality that is known as American Politics. After all, in their minds there is little to look forward to on a national basis.

    Interesting that Steve and others of his generation are among the last to have grown up at the tail end when there was such a thing as a confident, proud America. Sure of itself in every way with a belief that the future would be one of continuous progress (e.g. Lunar Landing in ’69 as the penultimate example in progress).

    Would be nice to go home again to that America.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  69. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    You are moving the goalposts. Hail said that the cargo cult was Zionism/”aggressive” Jewish nationalism (BTW, is say Hungarian nationalism “aggressive” or is it the good kind of nationalism?).

    Hungarian nationalism is obviously a benign nationalism relative to the Jewish variant. Hungarians are not in the princess of invading and colonizing another territory and pushing the native inhabitants out.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @Logan
  70. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    I agree with IJ that any attempt to glean meaning out of this muddle is a waste of time, but Hail says that support for Zionism is supposed to “somehow save us” in the view of the cultists. How does support for Israel as a sort of vicarious, permissible kind of nationalism “save us” in the alleged conservative view that you propose?

    One of these things is not like the other two – the (supposed) idea behind support for Islam or for China is that the purging fire of these morally pure systems will replace our decadent system – yes maybe we won’t have quite the same freedoms as before, but at least our kids won’t be molested by trannies. (This fantasy was maybe more appealing before the ISIS showed their complete ability to actually rule territory in Syria and Iraq and Xi put a million Uighurs in concentration camps). But no one I know is waiting for the Zionists to show up in America to start kicking ass and take names.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @snorlax
  71. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    First of all, I am thoroughly sick of the “You’re Doing it Wrong” clickbait meme. Time to retire that one.

    2nd, I can’t think of anything more disgusting than a chicken stewed in a hollowed out watermelon. The best you could hope for is that the thing would be marginally edible with rubbery skin. A waste of both a chicken AND a watermelon.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  72. IHTG says:

    Stephen Miller finally gets his way – merit-based immigration reform via executive action:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/itscaitlinhd/status/1160923100927709188
    https://mobile.twitter.com/itscaitlinhd/status/1160924984463765504

    https://www.apnews.com/f440cbe61eb642c99f4d9a47e437c526

    New rules can deny green cards for immigrants on food stamps

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration announced Monday that it is moving ahead with one of its most aggressive steps to restrict legal immigration, denying green cards to many immigrants who use Medicaid, food stamps, housing vouchers or other forms of public assistance.

    Federal law already requires those seeking green cards and legal status to prove they will not be a burden to the U.S. — a “public charge” —but the new rules detail a broader range of programs that could disqualify them.

    Much of President Donald Trump’s effort to crack down on illegal immigration has been in the spotlight, but this rule change targets people who entered the United States legally and are seeking permanent status. It’s part of a push to move the U.S. to a system that focuses on immigrants’ skills instead of emphasizing the reunification of families.

    U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services officers will now weigh public assistance along with other factors such as education, household income and health to determine whether to grant legal status.

    The rules will take effect in mid-October. They don’t apply to U.S. citizens, even if the U.S. citizen is related to an immigrant who is subject to them.

    The acting director of Citizenship and Immigration Services, Ken Cuccinelli, said the rule change fits with the Republican president’s message.

    “We want to see people coming to this country who are self-sufficient,” Cuccinelli said. “That’s a core principle of the American dream. It’s deeply embedded in our history, and particularly our history related to legal immigration.”

  73. This is a pretty stupid take and kind of indicative of that whole belles artes school that was so gay and obsessed with male form that all they really knew was the Renaissance and the classical age so that their understanding of the fall of Rome was laughable.

    Read orosious or Augustine those weren’t people waiting for a end to their boredom- they were people sadly trying to account for the fall of Rome and integrated into a theological understanding of what was to come. Also what mystery cults were prevalent in 400 Roman Empire?

  74. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Haysom

    so that their understanding of the fall of Rome was laughable.

    What were they lacking in their understanding of the fall of Rome?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  75. Twinkie says:

    But East Asia (maybe China specifically, or maybe not) could well, before mid-century, prove more popular than any competitor

    I very much doubt it.

    In fact, China is probably the least SWPL-hospitable country in East Asia, in terms of living standards, Westernization, language, etc. Of China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, Japan has held the greatest allure for the SWPL-types historically. South Korea is probably the most hospitable given the actual enunciated state ideology of “globalism.” Taiwan just never held much in the way of popular Western imagination except as a cudgel against communist China.

    For those with resources, Singapore is probably the best bet since it is the most Westernized country with a majority East Asian population where some semblance of English is spoken widely. But technically it is in Southeast Asia, not East Asia. Furthermore, it is but a city-state and can only absorb so many foreigners (though that doesn’t stop the government in charge from accepting wealthy mainland Chinese immigrants despite the unpopularity of the latter among the native-born Singaporeans).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Kronos
  76. Kronos says:

    Long Live Octavia!

  77. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    >One of these things is not like the other two – the (supposed) idea behind support for Islam or for China is that the purging fire of these morally pure systems will replace our decadent system – yes maybe we won’t have quite the same freedoms as before, but at least our kids won’t be molested by trannies.

    I don’t know of anyone who has a basic knowledge of China who would call the place “morally pure”, even in the wholly imaginary sense. Even the Chinese would never call it that. I can get the desire to imitate the Islamic World for someone who wants full-teethed social conservatism and religion at the heart of social life again, even if that’s never going to live up to expectations in reality (turns out a lot of people in the Islamic World just live double lives), but China? You’ve never seen a more unapologetically materialistic, screw-you-I’m-getting-what’s-mine place in your life. The Cultural Revolution’s effect on traditional culture saw to it that there’d be a massive void even after China finally got back on its feet after 150 years of hard luck.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Jack D
  78. nebulafox says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Between those pictures of those beyond morbidly obese women you showed the other day and this, where’s the “YUCK” tag when you need it?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  79. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    I think you’re misinterpreting.

    Subconscious: At least Andrew Yang will give us $1k/month, rah-rah Israel

    Conscious: China will replace our decadent system, Israel will bring about the Second Coming of Christ

    • Replies: @Jack D
  80. Abe says:
    @Hopscotch

    Immigration policy since then has largely continued this trend from Grit Immigrants to Grift Immigrants.

    Great! A coinage worthy of Steve himself, the Jimmy Page of political riff making! Without any authority or justice I hereby grant Steve the right to use your neat creation free and in perpetuity.

    Interesting how establish-con outlets like NATIONAL REVIEW have slowly and imperceptibly gone from praising immigrants in guarded utilitarian terms as net-beneficial to existing Americans to rapturously singing immigrants’ praises and admonishing current-Americans to be grateful that such blessed incarnations of ‘the story of bravery and love’ should even deign to grace us with their presences. Trump (praise him) is the only national politician with [email protected] enough to point out that America was created by Injun-fighters and continent-tamers (true grit Americans) not discount airfare jumpers (grift Americans) whose biggest worry is roaming charges on their smart phones once they step off the tarmac.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Hopscotch
  81. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    East Asia isn’t attractive to whites wanting religion because Asians are very secular these days. They dumped most of their Shinto (Communist societies like China and Vietnam don’t allow it), and their god is money. There are still some wannabe white Buddhists out there, but they think of India, not Asia, as the center of their faith. One of my relatives came out as a Buddhist the moment his last elderly parent passed away.

  82. Jack D says:
    @snorlax

    Israel will bring about the Second Coming of Christ

    So he IS talking about Christian Fundamentalists?

  83. Jesse says:
    @Anon

    PREACH.

    You have no idea how annoying actual Irish find the Irish American religious nutjobs going in and telling them what to do and how to really be Irish, oh and trying to ejumacate them on their own history. It’s a bunch of foreigners going in and lecturing them.

  84. Kronos says:
    @nebulafox

    “You’ve never seen a more unapologetically materialistic, screw-you-I’m-getting-what’s-mine place in your life.”

    Keep in mind they’ve been getting high on western cultural decadence for 40+ years now. Ever since Nixon and Kissinger “opened up” China to US corporations in 1972. Coco Cola came there in 1979.

  85. Jack D says:
    @nebulafox

    I agree with you, but remember that there were once millions of people around the world who believe that Communism also had a moral purity to it, at the same time that the actual Communist rulers were among the most morally depraved people ever to live. Humans can believe all sorts of stuff that is patently false – sometimes it seems like the falser the better.

    It’s also wrong to say that China is completely lacking in morality, even after the destruction of the Cultural Revolution. You can walk down the street in almost any Chinese city at any hour of the day or night, even as a totally out of place white person, and not fear any violent assault. Maybe this is because the Chinese live in fear – snatch the Westerner’s camera – get 20 years hard labor if you are caught, but I think that they Chinese really do have a sort of ethical sense. It’s just that they regard business as a sort of combat sport where each side tries to achieve the maximum advantage and if you fail to put up an adequate defense against their offense, that’s on you. If the Jets fail to cover the receivers and the Patriots score, do we say that the Patriots are lacking in morality?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Anon2020
  86. El Dato says:
    @nebulafox

    Probably another Russian divisionary tactic to divide us into YUCKs and non-YUCKs.

  87. Andrew Yang is China / East Asia’s vector into US politics in 2019-2020.

    White Core American Patriots must be on the alert for Asian interloper invaders of the Andrew Yang variety.

    Andrew Yang is playing the innocent little Asian invader interloper game very well. Andrew Yang makes sure to say that mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration are good for Americans and the USA.

    Andrew Yang says that core Americans should not blame mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration for any of the various problems confronting the American people.

    Andrew Yang wants to flood the USA with as many invader interloper infiltrators as he possibly can.

    Andrew Yang wants to keep his financier fangs in the neck of the European Christian ancestral core without that White core noticing the tremendous harm done by mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    Attention Andrew Yang:

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration are directly responsible for lowering wages, overwhelming hospitals, increasing housing costs, swamping schools, harming the environment, increasing income inequality, causing urban and suburban sprawl, destroying cultural integrity and cohesion and bringing infectious diseases to the USA.

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration brings crime, multicultural mayhem, radical Islamic terrorism and political corruption to the USA.

    Tweets from 2015:

  88. @Anon

    Agree button used. I can tell a Chinese tourist from a native Chinese 100% of the time in a matter of moments. Same goes for other South Asians and whatnot.

  89. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Good point, Jack: there is no practical or effective reason to believe that Israel is our ally.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  90. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    I don’t think he was talking about China (or anywhere in E. Asia) as an actual physical destination for immigration. I think we was talking about it as a role model for ordering our own society. You don’t have to move to China because “China” comes to you.

    Now personally I kind of like Western civilization and I hope that it sticks around. It’s moral failing can be fixed. The West tends to swing back and forth between periods of sexual and moral libertine-ism and more Puritanical rule so if you don’t like where we are, just hang on and eventually it will swing in the other direction. But, if you are looking for a replacement model, East Asian-ism, in any form, is not going to do it. East Asian-ism works for East Asians because they are E. Asian. It’s like Magic Dirt – bringing E. Asianism to the West isn’t going to work any more than moving ghetto residents from the projects to Chappaqua is going to turn them into SWPLs. E. Asians, unlike Islamists, don’t even pretend that they have some kind of universal culture that everyone should join.

  91. bomag says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Years later, researchers had to admit that the plan didn’t work, but they had no idea why.

  92. J.Ross says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    Chinese won’t accept you as Han per se but they are tolerant of anyone who speaks the language and plays by the rules.

  93. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    When vultures feed on a carcass, the carcass doesn’t grow wings and fly (or coast on thermals), it diminishes to indigestible elements.

  94. Kronos says:
    @Twinkie

    I heard Hong Kong is the best. But who knows what’s going to happen with the protests.

  95. Kronos says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    You might want to switch to the REFORMED Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  96. J.Ross says:

    Everyone stop worrying about the apocalypse:
    EDDIE MURPHY IS REMAKING DOLEMITE
    https://ew.com/trailers/2019/08/12/eddie-murphy-dolemite-is-my-name-trailer/
    We get Stormi Maya to remake Coffy and we’ll have … Hollywood still stuck in remakes and ethnic pandering. But it’ll still be better than Spiderman Eighteen.

  97. David says:
    @Jack D

    Why do so many US politicians speak of the security and prosperity of Israel before that of the US? Why are they and we talking about Israel nonstop? Maybe because Zionism has become central to many Americans’ hopes. That’s what Hail said, isn’t it?

    It seems that a lot of Americans have a vague expectation that when all is well for Israel and no Jew anywhere is ever slighted or made to feel marginal, or made out to be a member of a privileged elite, that our problems will all be solved. A new age of confidence and prosperity will have arrived. If they don’t think that, why is Israel so central to our politics?

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @IHTG
  98. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    > You can walk down the street in almost any Chinese city at any hour of the day or night, even as a totally out of place white person, and not fear any violent assault.

    I see this more as basic intelligence and an ability to uphold civilization than anything else. It’s the 21st Century, for Chrissakes, not the days of Homer. If you can’t do this right, then something is wrong with your society. If your society needs stricter rules or more guidance because of a lack of human capital, then that’s how it is, but there shouldn’t be an excuse for anarchy in a developed, 1st World city where no one worries about starvation.

    > Maybe this is because the Chinese live in fear – snatch the Westerner’s camera – get 20 years hard labor if you are caught, but I think that they Chinese really do have a sort of ethical sense.

    No, I don’t think day-to-day mainland Chinese are lacking in morality at all. I’ve got *plenty* of admittedly anecdotal stories (the border guard in Shenzhen who really bailed me out once when he wasn’t supposed to-and I was hacking up blood, near-penniless, and looked like an absolute bum, not at all the kind of well-groomed white laowai who more often gets a pass) that would show the opposite. Overall, cultural differences dictate how human nature manifests, not that nature itself: most people are just people in the end, with the same mix of random altruism, frailty, hypocrisy, self-serving rationalization, and stumbling goodwill.

    But the idea that modern day China is this perfect throwback to the traditional austere, religious family values of the type that Western tradcons want back is ludicrous: it fails to capture the sheer dog-eat-dog nature of life there, as well as the social effects that the sudden explosion of wealth there after the previous century has caused. Even the familial ties that Confucian civilization has always hyper-stressed, while still stronger than in the West, have begun to fray to an unprecedented degree. The CPC, to its credit, is not unaware of what is happening, and in in the long haul, I think they’ll be just fine: if you look at history, it’s never a good idea to bet against Chinese civilization’s robustness. But they aren’t immune to the effects of 21st Century life and affluenza.

    As for the business side of things, hey, the lack of hypocrisy…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Ibound1
  99. Forbes says:
    @BB753

    Probably not, Andrew Weissman appear to be the chief buggerer…

    • LOL: BB753
  100. J.Ross says:
    @Abe

    They’re still indulging stupidities (note the resurgence of their most self-defeating nonsense, the Russia obsession, following Epstein’s burning) but I have noticed the lyingpress permitting a very slight tempering of their stridency. That’s not them being reasonable, that’s them trying to trick people into forgetting violent leftist hysteria for the 2020 election. After the election (whichever way it goes) they’ll snap back.

    • Agree: jim jones
  101. @YetAnotherAnon

    From the link:

    In April 2008, the week after the attempt at retrial failed, Karen Downes stabbed her husband during an argument. The wounds were minor and he declined to press charges, saying that she was maddened with worry and frustration.[16] In March 2009, Charlene’s sister, Emma, pleaded not guilty to racially aggravated assault against the brother of the man who had been charged with murdering Charlene.[30] She maintained that her assault on the man’s brother had never been racially motivated; on the first day of her trial the prosecution accepted her plea to common assault, a less serious offence.[31] She was sentenced to community service.[32] In 2012, Charlene’s younger brother admitted in court to punching the man who had faced the charge of helping to dispose of her body.[33] He was given a fine and a suspended sentence.[34]

    That’s modern justice for you. Never punish the murderers, but punish the people who retaliate against the murderers.

  102. J.Ross says:
    @nebulafox

    China is not a safe place in the way that Japan is, period. I’m sure it’s very safe in most places and all the more so if there are multiple factors guaranteeing state attention. But the thing is, the Japanese themselves are safe, and without the threat of organ theft.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @nebulafox
  103. @Reg Cæsar

    What offends me most about that article?

    ” All you have to do is put the chicken-encased watermelon in the oven for five hours…and tada!”

    It’s a watermelon-encased chicken.

  104. @Richard S

    The aging phoenix realizing that its time to die has come, builds its own funeral pyre then self ignites the pyre. The new phoenix (same as the old bird) arises from the wealth (ashes) of the old.

    Humanity needs to disrupt this dysfunctional cycle to progress to a higher level.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  105. The barbarians aren’t at the border.

    Some of them are in the forum. Some are lawmakers.

    They have a solution. For us.

  106. Ibound1 says:
    @nebulafox

    You can walk in any Caucasian (or NW Asian) neighborhood, anywhere in America, and not fear violent assault – from the locals. That’s why I always vote against public transportation. With our demographics, any expansion of public transportation would be the final nail in our coffin. The only thing keeping America going right now is the lack of good, cheap, public transportation, bringing people east to west or north to south or across whatever the dividing line.

  107. Jack D says:

    I see this more as basic intelligence and an ability to uphold civilization than anything else. It’s the 21st Century, for Chrissakes, not the days of Homer. If you can’t do this right, then something is wrong with your society.

    Well then something is wrong with our society because you can’t do this in many big cities in America and haven’t been able to do so for many decades running, if ever. I agree that this should be a sort of basic minimum for a civilized country and not lauded as a great accomplishment, but we haven’t even passed that threshold despite living in a democratic country blessed by centuries of peace and prosperity. While the Chinese have been thru a meat grinder century of violence and poverty (not just the Cultural Revolution but many other equally cataclysmic events) that should have left them in a Congolese state of depravity and yet their civilization still stands.

  108. @Sam Haysom

    Also what mystery cults were prevalent in 400 Roman Empire?

    Primarily one that had recently been adopted as the official cult of the empire.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  109. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    It’s moral failing can be fixed. The West tends to swing back and forth between periods of sexual and moral libertine-ism and more Puritanical rule so if you don’t like where we are, just hang on and eventually it will swing in the other direction.

    Huh. I wonder who made the latest swing to libertine-ism happen?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  110. @dearieme

    The Roman Catholics part is a tad cryptic but other than that – alright, I agree.

  111. @Gentle Hysteric

    So not a mystery cult at all. Gotcha.

  112. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @KunioKun

    my first exposure to pop cultures with no or very little Jewish influence was refreshing.

    Such as what?

    Some people want to be cheerleaders and they aren’t allowed to be cheerleaders for their own kind so they look for somebody else. Also, some people need their culture flashing in front of them on the TV constantly to remember it. If it is replaced on the TV with something else they think they have no culture and look elsewhere for a replacement when the trash on TV becomes too retarded.

    Do you have any psychological studies or recognized theories to back up these claims?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  113. eah says:

    Niece of Kamala Harris.

  114. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    I think that there’s a difference between “ally” and “savior”. I think that most people would agree that Greece is our NATO ally but few people would regard it as our savior. I’m all in favor of people treating Israel as a normal small Mediterranean country and not as the navel of the universe and the center of all of their obsessions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  115. Jack D says:
    @peterike

    I dunno. Gay Catholic priests? The Rolling Stones? Andy Warhol(a)? Hugh Hefner? It sure wasn’t the Lubavitcher Rebbe, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  116. @snorlax

    Sigh – I guess we agree, snorlax, but anyhow: Why is this stuff so hard to grasp?
    What I say via Sieferle’s Finis Germania is, that it is a form of an ill-fated new religion to state that there’d be a world-historically new kind of suffering (= the Holocaust) which can (or should) filll the gap that secularism is.
    Sieferle’s point is, seen in a quite blunt way, this one: a) It is a social fact, that the Holocaust now figures as a new guilt-cult.

    This new guilt-cult is utterly wrong: a) Not only historically (there indeed have been lots of people, who suffered a fate, which was even worse than that of the Jews (and just to make that clear: In saying so, I do n o t deny the Holocaust).

    b) But this guilt-cult is also wrong if seen from an ethical point of view since guilt is always personal. And that means: If the persons, who were personally engaged in the atrocities and cruelties and utter brutality of the Holocaust die, what by now almost all of them have done, it makes no sense, no: It is utterly false to accuse others (=native Germans, etc. born after the Nazis) of this guilt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  117. Jack D says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    I think we’ve had enough of cleansing fires for one century, thank you. As Mark Twain once said of being tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail, “If it weren’t for the honor, I’d just as soon have walked.”

    • Replies: @Bubba
  118. @Anonymous

    Russians historically have wanted to live in New York City and its environs. Even today.

    Ironically, Moscow and St Petersburg are much less crowded. Medieval LAs.

    London and Paris are the same. Bourbon sprawl.

  119. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    They lacked the knowledge that Rome ran out of Romans. Not just the aristocratic families but the plebeians who made up the army.

    Rome with lots of actual Romans filling the legions was a mighty fighting force. With foreign mercenaries unwilling and unable to fight in a disciplined rank with each man covering the other as a giant stabbing machine not so much and they were easiy prey for any enemy.

    Plagues, urbanization depressing birth rates, later marriage and depressed birth rates there due to lots of slave labor undermining small farmers the manpower factory of the Legions all played their part.

    And all evident by the mid 100s btw.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  120. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Doesn’t Russia, along with some countries in Eastern Europe like Hungary, already serve this purpose, and aren’t they likely to continue to do so in the future?

    I don’t see how conservative and rightist White Christians would come to regard China in the same way they do Zionism and Israel. As a result of evangelical Protestantism, Zionism and Israel are regarded as being important parts of a shared religious community by White Christians. There’s nothing comparable with China.

    A significant number of conservative/rightist White Christians, especially among the younger, more hard right and alt-right types, have a favorable view of Russia and emerging E. Euro states like Hungary and regard them as potential saviors in the future. The basis for this is that Russia/E. Europe is regarded as culturally, ideologically, and racially close to Western White Christians.

    China obviously does not have the religious appeal and connection to White Christians as Israel and Zionism do, nor does it have racial and cultural appeal and connection to White rightists as Russia and Eastern Europe do, so I don’t see how it would gain significant psychological market share among White Christians.

    I don’t think Godfree Roberts is particularly conservative or religious. He’s not very representative of average White Christians.

    • Replies: @BlackFlag
    , @Hail
  121. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    And yet the Japanese were noted for their inhuman barbarity during WWII – the Chinese, Koreans, etc. think of the Japanese in the same terms that we (or at least most Americans outside of unz) think of Nazis. There is nothing inherently safe or non-violent about the Japanese. And for a huge country of over a billion people, China is remarkably safe. Maybe not Japan level of lack of crime but surprisingly close to it for a place that is much more diverse and a lot poorer.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @guest
  122. @Jack D

    I make another effort in No. 93. Maybe my first one had too many presuppositions (I admit I’m a bit spoiled in that hindsight (just think of Bloch/Hegel/Heidegger/Böhme… (and no, I don’t think that this has to be necessarily so; all I know is, how it (= German me) grew up to… be… this way…).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  123. Whiskey says: • Website
    @David

    Israel is the northern flank of the House of Saud and the Gulf. It’s all about oil.

  124. nebulafox says:
    @J.Ross

    If you are a foreigner, who is almost by definition not poor by local standards, it’s a safe place, and if you are an urban Chinese who is relatively well-off, it is a safe place, if you make the usual discounts for pollution, traffic, etc. Rural Chinese peasants, though still poor by our standards, have it astonomically better than their ancestors ever did. The PRC is not quite as safe as Japan or the ROK or Taiwan or Singapore, of course, but that’s an extremely limited selection of countries, to say the least. China’s got a billion people and got started on modernity a lot later than the Japanese. Compared to the world as a whole, or even “Asia” as a whole, China doesn’t stack up badly, and I’d say that like much else (cough, cough, infrastructure), the US really ought to focus on getting its own act in order before we criticize others.

    That all being said, still, if you are a poor Chinese-particularly a rural migrant in a big city who lacks a hukou-it can be brutal. Not so much in the drugs and open street crime sense that you’ll see in the Americas, because both the government and Chinese society at large has little tolerance for that. But more in terms of who will try to take advantage of you, from officials to semi-legitimate gangsters to bosses with few scruples and few legal pressures. I’ll make an example: if you want to go peddle stuff on the street in a Chinese city, go ahead, no one will likely stop you unless you visibly stand out. But nobody’s going to protect you from other peddlers who were there first and are out to beat you up for stepping on their turf, unless you have something to offer someone more powerful.

    (Poor foreigner? Then you just won’t be admitted, and unless you are East Asian looking, the police will catch you pretty quick, as like the rest of Asia, the Chinese don’t do the whole “no human being is illegal” thing: note what they’ve done to the Africans in Guangzhou over the past few years. Illegal North Korean defectors or Vietnamese brides who can blend in with the Chinese do stand a chance at survival if they can learn Mandarin quick, but much like rural Chinese who lack an urban hukou and make up the shadow economy in the cities, they are completely at the mercy of whoever happens to be the hand that feeds. Women, as you might guess, often end up in the sex trade. The men, if they are lucky, become farmhands… and if they aren’t, they end up employed by dubious characters, to say the least.)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  125. @Jack D

    I think the Anglosphere culture can survive if immigration is done properly.

    I’ve lived in East Asia, and among East Asians in the US. The biggest difference is between low trust and high trust societies. Germany, Scandinavia, the Anglosphere and a few other places in Western Europe are high trust societies. Pretty much the high trust societies overlap with where Protestants have dominated. Maybe because Protestantism only works in high trust societies.

    There are no non-white high trust societies, although Japan and South Korea come the closest.

    One of the biggest reasons why immigration was limited in the 1920s is that so many immigrants were from countries which were low true societies, and also either Catholic or Jewish.

    Over time most Catholics and Jews were able to assimilate to the high trust society of the USA. Still, the US is considered to be less of a high trust society than Canada or Scandinavia. I remember reading the writings of an immigrant Jewish businessman who realized that a high trust society was far more profitable, but required complete honesty.

    Among the Asians, the Japanese assimilate into the high trust American society the fastest. Chinese can as well, but not as quickly. For example, I have met more than one high tech businessman from China who refused to hire Chinese because they were scared of having their intellectual property stolen. And I am sure we can all sleep peacefully knowing there are outshored contractors in India with all of our financial data.

    Pat Buchanan’s argument is that we need to pause immigration to allow the immigrants to assimilate to our culture. To a large extent that means Latinos and Asians assimilating to a high trust society.

  126. @Dieter Kief

    The Roman Catholics part is a tad cryptic but other than that – alright, I agree.

    He may be writing about a LARPy division of TradCath circles that pines for a restoration of a Bourbon Monarchy or similar.

  127. @J.Ross

    Looks like it’s not a remake of the Dolemite movie, but a biopic of the great black poet Rudy Ray Moore.

    The next mornin’ they found Mabel dead,
    Her draws wrapped around her nappy-ass head.
    The crabs was madder than a motherf–ker
    To see Dolemite had beat ’em outta their goddamn supper.

    Not suitable for work.

    ***************

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Ray_Moore

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  128. Jack D says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I think that your thesis makes a lot of sense. To me, basing your religion around martyrs is not a good idea, nor the idea that they died for YOUR sins when that’s not true. I have enough guilt for stuff that I actually did without having to worry about stuff I didn’t do. I’m like Trump in relation to McCain – I like the guys that that DIDN’T get killed.

    But I don’t think that this is at all what Hail was getting at with his idea that White Christians worship aggressive Jewish nationalism.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  129. @Jack D

    It’s certainly not a cargo cult. Christian Zionism is basically American nationalism by proxy. They’d love to be able to openly express the same attitudes towards those they perceive as their enemies as Zionists do towards theirs, but they know if they do they’ll be called “racists.” As zionists, they can still openly get a kick out of beating some of “their” enemies – rather like they do when their favorite sportsball team wins.

  130. peterike says:

    Speaking of barbarians…

    22 year old Dot Indian wanted a Jaguar, but his father got him a BMW. Incensed, the fella drove the Beemer into a river.

    Our future under the coming Asian-Jewish overlords is going to be fun!

    https://nypost.com/video/spoiled-brat-drives-new-bmw-into-river-because-he-wanted-a-jaguar/

  131. @Jack D

    The sad thing this list isn’t random so you intentionally excluded any Jews from the list. Also yep Hollywood probably had nothing to do with it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  132. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Japanese were not noted for their unsafe cities during or before WWII except insofar as we were making them unsafe by bombing them, you fraud. No way are you a law school graduate.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  133. @Jack D

    The step from Sieferle’s ideas in his lucid essay Finis Germania to Hail is so obvious, that I thought it to be superfluous to point it out: By making the Holocaust guilt somewhat sacred, you have created an ethical Perpetuum mobile, which is forever rolling towards – – – aggressive Jewish Nationalism 8since you strip yourself of all ethical counter-arguments, which would allow you to – – – – counter this aggressive Jewish nationalism.

    This whole affair has two more implications: The taboo over the (Ashkenazi) Jews as rather bright people functions as cover up of the privilege of the somewheres (David Goodhart) – who, in a way, share the same interest as the Jews: That the others don’t get, what an advantage it is to be rather bright in modern societies. This works like this: Even though you yourself have not the faintest doubt about the advantages of being born bright, you make the others believe, that this is no real thing. Meaning: There are no biological privileges at all – it’s all magic dirt/and or education. – This protects you of the envy and of hate rage of the others, as log s you are able to direct their hard feelings toward the privileged against – you know – – – paedagogical methods, the rotten school system, lack of support by the government etc. pp. …

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  134. J.Ross says:
    @nebulafox

    And all of these things at their worst will probably get incrementally better as China further improves its standard of living, but they still won’t be a high-trust society.

  135. Haole says:

    Everybody is making an escape plan:

    – Buy more guns and we will win the revolution.

    – Move to montana.

    – Move to another first world country, Canada for instance.

    – Move to the third world, Fred style.

  136. @International Jew

    Don’t some Protestant congregations in the US look on the re-establishment of Israel as a pre-condition for Jesus’ return to earth, and are therefore supportive?

    Not exactly a cargo cult in the John Frum sense, I’ll admit. You’d have to be pretty naive to expect “Israel” to save the US, given current efforts in the opposite direction.

    I suppose if the pivot to China doesn’t work out, there’s just a chance that one day a signal may go out from Jerusalem telling the diaspora to pull their fingers out on the side of Legacy-Americans – the way the Communist Parties of the West switched from “down with the capitalist war!” to “second front now!” in June 1941.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Jack D
  137. @Jack D

    After WW I and WW II, European descended people were afraid to do _anything_ lest they bring on WW III. One of the major objectives for formation of the EU was to prevent WW III; the argument was always trotted out until recently. In the US, things seemed good and there was no immediate secular reason to get involved with politics. Politics was widely regarded as “dirty”, a metaphor for “don’t touch or you’ll get hurt”.

    In other words, yes, something was wrong with society. There wasn’t any functioning European or European derived society. Anywhere. Just imitations.

    European descended people seem to be waking up, and perhaps realizing that risk of war is actually better than being genocided as easily as cattle are slaughtered. Like cattle, whose market value pays for the slaughterhouse, the European descended actually paid the barbarians (internal and external) for the genocide of the European descended.

    We’ll see what happens.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @guest
  138. Jack D says:
    @Sam Haysom

    Of course it was intentional – peterike had nothing but Joos Joos Joos on his list judging from his usual comments – that’s obviously what he was getting at by his “I wonder who?” remark. Joos are far from the only ones responsible for modernity – both the good and bad aspects of it.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  139. guest says:

    This is gross abuse of the term cargo-cult.

  140. guest says:
    @Jack D

    Maybe hewing 70 million or so off the previous century’s population had some positive side-effects for China.

    Japanese wartime aggression is beside the point, I think. That’s for non-Japanese to worry about. And I hardly think we can judge, having committed every manner of warcrime ourselves.

    Also, what was the Japanese invasion compared to the Red Terror China subjected itself to shortly thereafter? A house kitten to a jungle cat.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Saxon
  141. El Dato says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    https://www.rt.com/usa/466336-hunt-film-censorship-violence-trump/

    The pearl-clutching that led to the shelving of the liberals-vs-rednecks splatter film ‘The Hunt’ is unbefitting for any land that values artistic freedom, and utterly laughable in light of everything else happening in America.

    So, the problem with The Hunt isn’t that it stokes the horrors facing the United States, it’s that it trivializes them into a pat fantasy. In reality, there is no bad-ass woman in cargo pants who can teach the villains a lesson and put America back together again in two hours, there is no easy happy ending.

  142. guest says:
    @Anon

    Well, there may not be total Asianity in you, but you’re not fully American either. You’re something else.

  143. Jack D says:
    @Dieter Kief

    As I have already stated, I disagree with this. In making the Holocaust the center of your universal religion, you strip it of its connection to the Jews specifically – we are ALL in danger of being Holocausted (especially if we are the browner people) or of becoming Holocausters (if we are “whiter”). Your position on the diversity totem pole is alway relative to other races.

    Therefore, in relation to white Europeans, Jews are “browner” and in danger of being Holocausted. German Jews are always said to be in danger from anti-Semitism.

    But in relation to Palestinians, the Palestinians are “browner” and thus the worship objects. This is, of course, incompatible with “aggressive” Jewish nationalism, where Jews (and this has been made very explicit by the Western Left) wear the Nazi hats.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  144. Hopscotch says:
    @Abe

    Along those lines, I often envision the Statue of Liberty plaque being updated to a hybrid commercial of a personal injury attorney and used car lot. Something like…

    ——–

    (Sympathetic Attorney Voice)

    Are you an Irish Catholic, who’s eager for a good time now and a skilled-trade hopefully later?

    Are you a Southern Italian or Sicilian who prizes your extended-extended family above all else and views a formal legal system as just another competing clan?

    Or maybe you are just a misunderstood Polish Jew, who got a little too handsy with some women of the night.

    At United States of America, we want you. We have done the hard work, SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO.

    WE REPEAT. YOU DON’T HAVE TO!

    No need to worry about battling Indians, being drafted into the Union Army, taming a continent, harsh frontier winters, or any of that.

    Just show up, and it’s yours! It is YOUR COUNTRY and you have just as much of a right to it, as the people who built it.

    (Quiet voice) And if you are a young man wanting some adventure, come in the next ten years to get in on our (booming voice) PROHIBITION SPECIAL!

    We will give you a bootlegger starter kit along with a handgun to flash at your neighbors. Don’t worry. In post-melting pot America, what happens in your ethnic enclave, stays in your ethnic enclave!

    So come to the United States of America, because it’s your right. And don’t let those uptight Protestants tell you any different.

  145. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I’m all in favor of people treating Israel as a normal small Mediterranean country

    Unfortunately it is the only country in the world actively acquiring land by conquest and engaging in ethnic cleansing. That’s about as far from normal as you can get.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  146. El Dato says:
    @eah

    The ICE raids are white nationalist domestic terrorism.

    The milk jugs in my fridge are are white nationalist animalistic terrorism.

  147. @Jack D

    Northern and western European cities have been safe to walk around in for centuries, until very recently. What separates them from American cities? And what has changed recently?

    Please, before you spout off about (very) occasional insurrections and revolutions, take note of the fact that China has had those too.

  148. I’m reminded of the Visigoth seige of Rome in 408AD; The Roman Senate, sitting in a disease-plagued, infested city full of dead and dying, sent envoys out to meet the barbarian chieftain, Alaric, telling him the Roman people stood ready to fight, to which he replied, “The thickest grass is easier to cut than the thinnest.”

    Alaric’s terms for the lifting of the seige were the surrender of all the gold, silver, other valuables of the city’s households, and all the barbarian slaves in the city. When the envoys had the temerity to ask what that would leave the Romans, the reply was, “Their lives.”

    Mind you, this is after the Romans invited many of the barbarians in to do the work they could no longer get out of Roman citizens, including providing troops for the defence of the Empire, and Alaric took these steps because the Roman elite double-crossed the Visigoths by refusing to pay sums previously promised for services rendered. Our own elite will inevitably think they can hoodwink their new bestest friends from the rest of the world. I hear the history a’rhyming.

  149. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    In saying so, I do n o t deny the Holocaust).

    Please define “the Holocaust” as you intend the term to mean here.

    • Replies: @Hail
  150. @Kronos

    No the FUNDAMENTALIST Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Heretic!

    • Replies: @Kronos
  151. @eah

    ICE raids are white nationalist domestic terrorism.

    As are any and all forms of law enforcement.

    Glad we have this matter settled at last.

  152. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Would you say that Nanjing was an “unsafe” Japanese (occupied) city?

    The Japanese weren’t into petty retail crime. Gotta think big. Anyone can rape a woman or kill a man but it takes a Master Race to rape and pillage an entire city or country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

  153. @YetAnotherAnon

    … which is more than I can say for the British elites, a remarkable percentage of whom aren’t British.

    Feeling let down by Chuka, Gina, Sajid, Sadiq, etc., etc., etc.?

    I think Baroness Scotland gives a striking British pose here:

  154. donut says:
    @Jack D

    ” these views rarely stand up to careful scrutiny and often the folks who expound them don’t exactly exhibit Thomas Jefferson level clarity of thinking and intellectual rigor.”

    I get your drift .

  155. @Dieter Kief

    Freedom and autonomy are much harder to bear than most people would think.

    This has been called “the paradox of choice”, even “the tyranny of choice”.

    http://longevity.stanford.edu/2011/06/28/the-tyranny-of-choice/

    https://www.techwell.com/2012/09/how-you-can-overcome-paradox-choice

  156. eah says:
    @eah

  157. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    which is forever rolling towards – – – aggressive Jewish Nationalism 8since you strip yourself of all ethical counter-arguments,

    Could you please elaborate on this idea?

  158. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    In making the Holocaust the center of your universal religion, you strip it of its connection to the Jews specifically – we are ALL in danger of being Holocausted (especially if we are the browner people) or of becoming Holocausters (if we are “whiter”)

    That isn’t how this works. If it were, it would be conceded that the United States has the right to exist as a White and Christian nation. The Holocaust story confers rights on Jews specifically and denies them to Whites specifically.

    By the way, the story is collapsing in real time elsewhere on this blog:

    http://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/

    • Replies: @Jack D
  159. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    one day a signal may go out from Jerusalem telling the diaspora to pull their fingers out on the side of Legacy-Americans

    This implies that Jerusalem is currently signaling the opposite. I see zero evidence of that. Whatever some diaspora Jews are doing to turn America into the utopia of diversity, it’s not being done at the direction of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is certainly not in favor of Ilhan Omar and her buddies taking over the Democrat Party.

    American Jews don’t take direction from Jerusalem anyway. Nowadays, half of them hate Netanyahu (this could be said to be a “double standard” because 80% of them hate Trump).

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  160. Anon2020 says:

    Chinese have been in Southeast Asia and North America since the 1800’s. Except for Singapore where they are the majority, in every country where they are the minority they have shied away from politics and stuck to commerce and professional careers. Of the roughly 25m Asians in the US, only 5m are of Chinese descent, majority aren’t citizens and can’t vote. Andrew Yang is an exception and his sure failure to advance to even Iowa will only further deter his co-ethnics.

    The real barbarians who will be taking over the US by storm are the Indians. They are loquacious, unscrupulous and shameless like the Jews and love civil service thanks to the British. Being not as intelligent and far more egotistical and into ethnic pride, they are easier than the Chinese to manipulate. We know their Jew masters like that.

    Sit Anand.Good dog.

    • Agree: EldnahYm
  161. When Messianic expectations fail, they turn into Apocalypse; when Apocalypse fails, it turns into Gnosis.

  162. @Jack D

    No, I don’t think they’re telling the diaspora to weaken America, they’re just leaving them to do it.

    But I’m sure if they felt it was in their national interest, an appeal to the diaspora to do the right thing ‘for Israel’ wouldn’t go unheard. It wouldn’t have any effect on the Tim Wises or Dylan Mathews of this world, but they might suddenly find lecturing and op-ed gigs hard to come by, as the megaphone was gently taken away.

  163. Logan says:
    @Anonymous

    No, they did that a thousand years ago.

    • LOL: Ibound1
  164. Anon2020 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Gregory Vodolazov, a recent Russian immigrant, was already living in Bellevue with his wife Oxana Demicheva and their sons Semyon (9) and Yaroslav (2) when he qualified for a housing voucher and for CMTO assistance.

    I guess these people can kiss their green card opportunity goodbye with Trump’s new immigration EO, as it should be.

  165. mc86 says:
    @ChrisZ

    One more, this is something that could have been dismissed as conspiracy theory but now seems very plausible as we see how things actually operate. I was born in a high trust society but the US will never operate that way again.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  166. BlackFlag says:
    @Anonymous

    How about Turkey? Lots of whitish Turks in Istanbul. Suppose they’re mostly the Western influenced pozzed infertile.

  167. Anon2020 says:
    @Jack D

    If the Jets fail to cover the receivers and the Patriots score, do we say that the Patriots are lacking in morality?

    That is a failed analogy. The Patriots are only immoral if they tried to cheat. Chinese businessmen are known for their cheating and swindling. You’d better watch your back or these swines will rob you blind, while feeding you more swine, literally, they love pork. But I agree the Chinese depravity does not come close to the Jews and Arabs, nor are they prone to violence like blacks, Indians, Latinos or Arabs.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anonymous
  168. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Collapsing – don’t make me laugh. Wear is another one of unz’s Holocaust denying cranks – millions died at the hands of the RAF in Dresden but Babi Yar was just a peaceful park. Outside of the 5 other cranks who believe this nonsense, no one else does, certainly not any serious scholars or historians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  169. @Anon2020

    The Patriots are only immoral if they tried to cheat. Chinese businessmen are known for their cheating and swindling.

    While the New England Patriots are Above Suspicion!

    • LOL: Bubba
  170. njguy73 says:

    In general, people find it exhausting to imagine the day to day politics of their country stretching on into the far future.

    The same people will have lengthy discussions on whether Ballplayer X should be signed through 2033. Or whether Rock Band Y should be in the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame 25 years from now.

  171. Anon2020 says:
    @Jack D

    Which White Christians believe that Zionists are going to save them? Leftists? Rightist fundamentalists?

    Look no further than the group “Christians United for Israel”, of which Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo are active members and frequently show up to give talks:

    https://www.cufi.org/

    We are to believe Jesus meant for his followers to kill massive numbers of people to defend his “homeland”.

  172. njguy73 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    And second: Freedom and autonomy are much harder to bear than most people would think. (This last remark of mine is open to many misinterpretations, but I’ll leave it at that for now).

    – Dieter Kief

    Unless a man has talents to make something of himself, freedom is an irksome burden. Of what avail is freedom to choose if the self be ineffectual? We join a mass movement to escape individual responsibility, or, in the words of the ardent young Nazi, “to be free from freedom.” It was not sheer hypocrisy when the rank-and-file Nazis declared themselves not guilty of all the enormities they had committed. They considered themselves cheated and maligned when made to shoulder responsibility for obeying orders. Had they not joined the Nazi movement in order to be free from responsibility?

    The True Believer, Eric Hoffer, Part Two, Section 26

  173. njguy73 says:
    @joeyjoejoe

    When people are free to do as we please, they usually imitate each other.

    Hoffer, op. cit, Section 33

  174. Anon2020 says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    These “high-opportunity” neighborhoods won’t be high opportunity for long.

    Bellevue is already majority-minority, with whites now making up 49% of the population. It is highly Asian. There are neighborhoods where the schools are >80% Asian. Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and many MS and AMZN high level execs live in the west side of Bellevue called Medina(>85% white), which fronts Lake Washington across from Seattle.

    https://patch.com/washington/bellevue/new-data-show-bellevue-population-39-foreign-born

    – Bellevue has the 14th largest Asian population of any city in the U.S. with 34.1 percent of residents from that large region
    – 39.1 percent of residents are foreign born – an increase of almost 15 percent since 2000
    – Nearly 2 percent of Bellevue’s foreign born population are from Iran
    – The fastest growing Asian populations in Bellevue are Chinese and Indian
    – Bellevue has the 5th largest minority population in Washington at 50 percent, behind only Federal Way, Yakima, Renton, and Kent
    – By comparison, Seattle’s minority population is 34 percent
    – 93 percent of Bellevue’s population growth since 2000 has come from foreign born residents

    Bill Gates almost single handedly did this to Bellevue. It was majority white even by 2000, and far more conservative than Seattle. Then Microsoft started importing Chindians en masse to this entire East Side and it is now a congested liberal hell. Chinese speakers are freaking everywhere (Indians mostly congregate in Redmond, Microsoft’s hometown). Crime and poverty have also gone up due to large hispanic migration to the city to serve those Asians. Bill Gates brings destruction and ruins wherever he goes, like what he’s doing to Africa and India creating huge surplus populations with his dogooding. Wish the guy would just move the hell to India and take his surplus pop. army with him.

  175. Bubba says:
    @Jack D

    I think we’ve had enough of cleansing fires for one century, thank you.

    Yes, and for another 10,000 centuries.

  176. Anon2020 says:
    @El Dato

    No sympathy from me. I’ve been to HK. Hong Kongers are the nastiest, rudest people on earth.

  177. Anon2020 says:
    @ChrisZ

    And corrupt. Many black/hispanic cops are corrupt.

  178. Anon2020 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Racism will always occur in multicultural societies. The only way to prevent racism is for all people to return to their ancestral homeland. Blacks will not face any racism in Africa, latinos will not face any racism in Latin America, Jews will never have to worry about anti-Semitism in Israel, Muslims will never feel discriminated in a Muslim majority country, Indians don’t have to face racism in India, Chinese don’t have to worry about racism in China.

    It’s time for us all to return to our respective corners of the world, with the exception of North America and Oceania, which were built by white protestant settlers and therefore should remain white protestant countries.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  179. Hail says: • Website
    @Hopscotch

    the “Great Non-Anglo Saviors” took root in the 1910’s and was epitomized by the 1916 Atlantic essay, “Trans-national America.”

    The author of which was a truly alienated figure, marginal in the extreme in that he was tragically deformed at birth and sickly:

    Bourne [b.1886, New Jersey]’s face was deformed at birth by misused forceps and the umbilical cord was coiled round his left ear, leaving it permanently damaged and misshapen. At age four, he suffered tuberculosis of the spine, resulting in stunted growth and a hunched back

    Then he died of Spanish Flu in 1918.

    Randolph Bourne would have almost certainly been angry at God and the world for his unfortunate lot in life, his off-putting physical deformities and etc. One can only feel sorry for him. I don’t think he can reasonably be said to represent the mainstream, White-Protestant thinking of the 1910s-era USA.

    • Replies: @Hopscotch
  180. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    >Well then something is wrong with our society because you can’t do this in many big cities in America and haven’t been able to do so for many decades running, if ever.

    And I think a hearty majority of Americans would agree with that. Only the Beautiful People seem to have realized that something is wrong with American ghettos around 2014. Anybody living around the likes of Baltimore has known for several decades the degree of social rot that was there.

    >While the Chinese have been thru a meat grinder century of violence and poverty (not just the Cultural Revolution but many other equally cataclysmic events) that should have left them in a Congolese state of depravity and yet their civilization still stands.

    Well, it says a lot about what just how horrific WWII was for China that the GLF and CR come across as comparatively benevolent. Between that and Barbarossa, I’m not sure Hollywood gets how myopic its version of the war truly is.

    On a more general note, people often ask why China declined throughout the 1800s. But looking at everything that happened concurrently around that time, the more interesting question to me is why it didn’t collapse utterly. Plague, war, increasing levels of illiteracy, dsygenics… that’s fall of Rome tier stuff there. Things did get briefly better between the Warlord period and the Japanese invasion for a country starting as far behind as they were, with slow and steady industralization (heavy doses of German technical aid didn’t hurt), but WWII, which started earlier in Asia, destroyed all the nascent industries the KMT built. Along with the KMT itself: it managed to emerge from the war, but it was so fargone that a reboot on Taiwan was required to get back on track.

    (I’ve often commented on the irony that modern China resembles far more what Chiang wanted than Mao: and that Chiang gets more positive press on the mainland these days than on democratic Taiwan.)

    I suppose it speaks to the strength of a culture absorptive enough to do what no Western society has and subliminate Islam (the Hui people, not the Uighurs) into the mainstream. The Mongols and the Manchus got completely absorbed. It really speaks to the tenacity of the Vietnamese that they managed to stave it off.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  181. Hail says: • Website
    @Dieter Kief

    Some repost-worthy excerpts from “Finis Germania,” as translated by F. Roger Devlin:

    [MORE]

    The Christian God, for example, can [in the present-day West] be abused at pleasure without the slightest consequences. One taboo, however, remains immoveable: anti-Semitism. Criticism of Americans, Russians, the rich, industry, trade unions, intellectuals, men, politicians, even Germans, is cheap and can be formulated as sharply as one likes. Criticism of Jews, however, must be carefully packaged in the assurance that no anti-Semitism is involved. The reasons for this are obvious.

    National Socialism, more specifically Auschwitz, has become the final myth of a thoroughly rationalized world. A myth is a truth that lies beyond discussion. It does not have to justify itself; on the contrary, any trace of doubt in the form of relativizing it amounts to a serious violation of the taboo which protects it. Hasn’t the “Auschwitz lie” been threatened with punishment as a sort of blasphemy? Behind all the emphasis on its “incomparability” do we not find the old fear of any revealed truth that it is lost the instant it submits to the enlightened business of historical comparison and justification? “Auschwitz” has become the embodiment of a singular and indelible guilt.

    But what is meant by “guilt”? Literally, it concerns causation, but also a contamination, a defilement of what is right which can be eliminated or at least ameliorated through cleansing rituals. The criminal has polluted the legal community; the punishment, therefore, serves to cleanse it. In the case of especially great pollution, only the complete elimination of the criminal will do. He is given back to the elements: the fire which burns him, the water which drowns him, the air in which he is hanged and the earth in which he is finally covered. It is disquieting even to live in the same world where the criminal lives. He must, then, disappear, so that humanity is freed from the sight of his depravity. His very existence is unbearable. Thus the fanatical zeal with which, fifty years after atrocities occurred, old men who participated in them are still ferreted out.

    Along with the individual guilt of the criminal, there is the collective guilt of his tribe or the community of which he was a part. This collective guilt can have neither a concrete criminological significance nor any significance for the maintenance of honor. It refers neither to the attribution of the deed nor the perpetrator, and for this reason cannot be canceled out through the elimination of the latter; in fact, it should not be. Rather, we are dealing with a guilt of metaphysical dimensions, comprehensible only in light of the older conception of original sin. [….]

    From the collective guilt of the Germans, which derives from Auschwitz, there also follows an exhortation to permanent repentance, but in this secularized form of original sin the elements of grace and love are entirely absent. The German resembles not the man whose guilt is (if not undone, at least) compensated through God’s love, but rather the Devil, the fallen angel, whose guilt is never forgiven and who will remain in darkness for all time. Even the Devil, however, has a function within the divine economy: he forms the negative background against which the positive goodness of God stands out. In his negativity are concentrated all the defects of creation in such a way that God himself is unburdened of the painful questions concerning the justification of evil in this world.

    The German, or at least the Nazi, is the secularized Devil of the enlightened present. This autonomous, adult world needs him as the negative background against which it can justify itself.

  182. indocon says:
    @MEH 0910

    Too late, he should have done things like these day 1 instead of that stupid refugee ban for few months.

    I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that Trump is truly making a fool of us, not accidentally. This whole saga of raid in Mississippi has a backstory of that lawsuit that the crook employer Koch lost, but turned around and got the employees deported. This whole trade war thing is designed to benefit only two entities – silicon valley and Wall Street, at the expense of Midwest farmers. Jesus Christ I feel duped.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  183. Hail says: • Website
    @Bugg

    once either Texas or Florida go blue, this is all over. And at that point, some kind of separation or civil war will happen

    More people seem to be talking more seriously about this today than at any other time in US history, except for the years 1860 and 1861.

    Hunter Wallace, lifelong Alabaman, recently wrote the following:

    If Civil War 2 breaks out, history shows that we should let the woke strike the first blow because our people are slow to anger. The conservative normie won’t see the writing on the wall until the last minute. John Brown’s raid on Harpers Ferry in 1859 brought about a sea change in Southern public opinion overnight as conditional Unionists were disgusted by radicalized Yankees who cheered on a man who tried to ignite a race war. The triumph of disunion in the South was a knee jerk emotional reaction.

    Between the John Brown terror attack (Oct. 1859) and the Lincoln election (Nov. 1860) — Not even thirteen months.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  184. @The Anti-Gnostic

    But, could they walk like an Egyptian?

  185. ChrisZ says:
    @mc86

    Mc, after the Epstein fiasco this weekend, every old conspiracy theory has a new lease on life. I too feel that trust has evaporated in our country; it is now a *rational* alternative to entertain thoughts of conspiracy when presented with an event like Epstein’s death. Sadly, trust was the lynchpin of the American system, and once it’s gone, the entire system falls into question.

  186. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon2020

    Chinese businessmen are known for their cheating and swindling.

    Chinese consider Indians untrustworthy.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @fish
  187. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Oh, really? The only country? You’re sure about that now? Not Rwanda, not Myanmar, not Russia, not India, not Turkey, not Yugoslavia, no one except the Joos? Everyone else on the planet has reached perfection except for the Joos. What an amazing coincidence.

  188. Jack D says:
    @guest

    Would you recommend this prescription for America, Dr. Guest? I think the Japanese have gone out of the wartime atrocity business and prefer to sell us high quality automobiles instead, but maybe if we paid them enough we could get them to rape and pillage our cities. Maybe a little Nanjing treatment on Baltimore would brighten up the place?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Anon2020
  189. Hopscotch says:
    @Hail

    Bourne’s 1916 essay was the most popular advocation of the US abandoning its Anglo roots, to the point it is still published today, 100 years later. But he was one of many that came out of this time, with Horace Kallen being the most influential. There were several others, with even Louis Brandeis saying in 1915, the “equality of nationalities” is at the foundation of the American system.

    There is no doubt which camp won, seeing that much of the 20th century was spent legally and culturally “de-WASPing” the US . But these duel ideas of cosmopolitanism and cultural plurality would have seemed alien in the 18th, 19th and much of the early 20th century. Brandeis’ “equality of nationalities” would have been replaced with “the equality of opportunity for nationalities to embrace the Anglo-American system, not vice versa.”

  190. nebulafox says:
    @indocon

    I think the man’s supporters and enemies alike give The Donald too much credit. He’s not Marius, he’s not Hitler. He’s America’s Silvio Berlusconi. No more, no less.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  191. Kronos says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Oh no, not them! They’re Spaghetti Zionists. They support genocide against the Pasta-tilians. Those Fundamentalists are covered in the red tomato sauce blood of the innocent.

    I hear if they sacrifice themselves, they’ll get 88 bottles of virgin oil.

  192. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Collapsing – don’t make me laugh. Wear is another one of unz’s Holocaust denying cranks – millions died at the hands of the RAF in Dresden but Babi Yar was just a peaceful park.

    There is no evidence to support the Babi Yar tale.

  193. Kronos says:
    @Jack D

    Unfortunately, that would actually increase Asian political clout and standing. Inner city Democrats greatly respect violence and ignoring the law. That’s a asset, not a liability. If you demonstrate your the meanest MoFo around you get respect!

  194. @jim jones

    You will never find allies in Roman Catholics, the Pope says that Muslims are their brothers.

    All men are our brothers, even the heretic and the infidel. Your argument isn’t with the Pope, but with Jesus himself.

  195. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Oh, really? The only country? You’re sure about that now? Not Rwanda, not Myanmar, not Russia, not India, not Turkey, not Yugoslavia, no one except the Joos?

    Only the Jews are actively engaged in taking territory by conquest and ethnic cleansing the native inhabitants.

  196. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Interesting that Steve and others of his generation are among the last to have grown up at the tail end when there was such a thing as a confident, proud America.

    It took a hell of a lot of pride and confidence to pass the Civil Rights and immigration acts of 1964. The word for this level of confidence is hubris.

    What postwar America needed was a dose of humility, not more confidence. Maybe we can’t do everything we set our minds to.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  197. Corn says:
    @eah

    What isn’t nowadays?

  198. L Woods says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    I’m sure the FBI will be right on this.

  199. Anon2020 says:
    @Jack D

    Maybe a little Nanjing treatment on Baltimore would brighten up the place?

    Japanese men will run for their lives when they see black ghetto women. Most sane men would.

  200. J.Ross says:
    @the one they call Desanex

    That’s still better than another comic book movie.

  201. J.Ross says:
    @Hail

    The left has been doing this for a couple of years now.

  202. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    I’m missing something here. Which White Christians believe that Zionists are going to save them? Leftists? Rightist fundamentalists?

    I think several others in this thread got it pretty much right —

    Snorlax got it right:

    take interest in Israel as a sort of subconscious, vicarious release valve for thoughts (blood and soil nationalism, whites as Israelis, non-whites as Palestinians) that are impermissible to express in an American context.

    David got it right:

    Why do so many US politicians speak of the security and prosperity of Israel before that of the US? Why are they and we talking about Israel nonstop? Maybe because Zionism has become central to many Americans’ hopes. […] If they don’t think that, why is Israel so central to our politics?

    SilvioSilver got it right:

    Christian Zionism is basically American nationalism by proxy. They’d love to be able to openly express the same attitudes towards those they perceive as their enemies as Zionists do towards theirs, but they know if they do they’ll be called “racists.” As zionists, they can still openly get a kick out of beating some of “their” enemies – rather like they do when their favorite sportsball team wins.

    KunioKun got it right:

    Some people want to be cheerleaders and they aren’t allowed to be cheerleaders for their own kind so they look for somebody else. Also, some people need their culture flashing in front of them on the TV constantly to remember it. If it is replaced on the TV with something else they think they have no culture and look elsewhere for a replacement when the trash on TV becomes too retarded.

    • Replies: @Hail
  203. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    It may be useful here to use the Matrix ‘pill’ metaphor:

    Let’s conceptualize three types of White Christian in the early-21st-century USA —

    Type 1– Those White Christians who have been well trained by this culture (I cannot say “our” culture) to believe that we have no legitimate interests or identity, that we are morally inferior to others, etc., etc., and that we owe the world eternal atonement, and finally that if we do atone just right, we are all in for a nice, warm-and-fuzzy Star-Trek-cabin-like future (the captain is always still White, separate races still exist, harmony prevails) (“Blue Pill”);

    There are two subtypes of Type 1, who take different lines on our own little ‘prime directive’ of atonement. The two subtypes could be called 1-R and 1-D. The former leans towards the Invade The World strategy (spread democracy, fight Islamofascists); the latter usually leans more towards the Invite the World strategy. Both believe their own (White-Christian) interests are in important ways illegitimate, but that the interests of others are legitimate and good.

    (Type 1 is ultimately unnatural, and requires a giant enforcement apparatus and certain “release valve” mechanisms [as Snorlax wrote above re Israel support].)

    Type 2– Those White-Christians for whom the ‘training’ either never ‘took’ in the first place, or who somehow came to reject the ‘training’ and now consciously take their own side (at the least in the liberty of their own minds). They’ve become to some degree what can certainly be called blood-and-soil nationalists (“Red Pill”), not in some scary sense but in simply a normal sense (kinship ties and sentimental attachment to place; rejection of the obnoxious idea that the USA is a continent-wide economic zone, “for everyone”); that is, they’ve reverted to approximately the political center of their grandfathers’ or great-grandfathers’ generations.

    I don’t think it is controversial to say that the Trump base and MAGA-movement energy, by fall 2015 and through 2016 and 2017, was Type 2, smaller in number than the 1-R’s though they were;

    Type 3– Those White-Christians who, having taken the “Red Pill,” have broken under the stress, given up, and come to think that all is lost, slipping into one degree or another of nihilistic stupor (“Black Pill”). There is a fairly high risk for the Red Pill to turn Black during digestion, and in some cases the colors have been observed to waver back and forth.

    As for the true “political cargo cultists,” those who believe that fundamentalist Islam is the answer and the like, they are Type 3’ers.

    Therefore Jack D is correct: The awesome power of political Zionism and its offshoots in the West does not draw from the the Type 3 crowd. It draws from the vast pools of Type 1 itself, i.e., the majority of our people, honest people who are not particularly bright or ‘political,’ conformists who don’t ask too many questions but accept what ‘their’ culture tells them. Zionism (Jewish nationalism) has become monopolistic or ‘hegemonic’ in US culture. White-Christians of Type 1 seem in agreement that it is a moral, proper, and even obvious that Jewish interests and initiatives come first, that they have supreme moral authority, and that we do not.

    The difference is the degree of success.

  204. @Whiskey

    The idea that legionary formations were responsible for Rome’s successes is laughable. Rome was successful because they just kept coming no matter how many you killed. Hannibal destroyed 3 consular armies and Rome still didn’t sue for peace. Compare to that Sparta which almost capitulated the Pelopensian War because 300 sparticate were surrounded at Pylos. Roman armies weren’t even that disciplined which is why discipline was so brutal. You are getting Greek hoplite warfare confused with legionary warfare which was all about the integration of shock warfare and quick movements not turtling up and stabbing. And of course there weren’t enough Roman soldiers to maintain and empire to stretched from Spain to Armenia. How could there be?

    Finally auxiliary armies performed just fine under Roman command and the last great victory in Western Roman victory over Attilla involved almost no legionary support.

  205. @Jack D

    We weren’t talking about modernity Jack. We were talking about the post-50s slide into permissiveness.

  206. @nebulafox

    This is a weird take. China wasn’t invaded by hordes of illiterate mauraders like Rome was. Hell the average standard of living for a Chinese peasant probably deceased more from 1810 to 1960 that it did for a Roman citizen from 350 to 550.

  207. @Jack D

    My wife comes from a genocidal nation. And it is still genocidal.

    At one point in the 1960s it became fashionable to ethnically cleanse people of her ethnic group. Her parents went to hide with friends from the dominant ethnic group and thus survived.

    My wife’s family immigrated to the US in 1980.
    In 1982 everyone of several ethnic groups had their citizenship revoked. So, between 1982 and when they were naturalized as US citizens in 1986, they were not legally citizens of any nation. Which is considered a human rights violation in and of itself.

    These days the government is busy cleansing several parts of the country of undesirable ethnic groups.

    And no, the country is not Israel.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  208. Jim Given says:

    I thought we were waiting for deliverance – perhaps in some unexpected form-by an invasion of Outer Space Aliens. Childhood’s End by Arthur Clarke has this theme; also Our Friends from Frolix 8 by Phillip K Dick; and many other classic sci-fi titles.

    But also, one has the TV series Ancient Aliens, which like Saganism (the Carl Sagan belief system) inculcates belief that there are lots of advanced populations out there and that they are observing, monitoring, perhaps engineering our history.

    Are they Caucasians? The Greys certainly look like super-advanced Caucasians to me. They must be
    very highly advanced races in order to have perfected space travel. I mean, they can’t belong to any Inferior Race.

    I think that Sagan meant the belief in an Immanent Landing to have the effect of marginalizing humans – we are Nothing Special cosmically speaking. No reason God should have any Special Relation with us. Certainly no reason His Son should be a human.

    But perhaps the widespread interest in this set of narratives is based upon the hope that they will be super-Caucasian.

  209. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    If a citizen of Europe, he has to add that disclaimer. He won’t help himself by getting bogged down in definitions.

  210. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    At one point in the 1960s it became fashionable to ethnically cleanse people of her ethnic group. Her parents went to hide with friends from the dominant ethnic group and thus survived.

    Probably apocryphal and a convenient story to gain entrance to the United States and receive a lifetime of sympathy.

    • Troll: Paleo Liberal
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  211. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Russia definitely served this purpose for a while. It is deux ex machina thinking.

    Late-2010s Russia hysteria was so bizarre and wacko, though, that I think it served to put many dissident Westerners’ feet back on the ground.

    I hear far less Russia-will-save-us cargo-cult-like talk today than before the Russia hysteria began. When things take a surreal turn and half the country appears to believe a bizarre and crude hoax, it can only be grounding for those unaffected.

  212. Hail says: • Website
    @eah

    Meena Harris
    @meenaharris

    The ICE raids are white nationalist domestic terrorism.

    Yes, this is exactly what the First Amendment was intended for:

    The ‘right’ of some snide, sneering, preening, racially-ambiguous nepotism-beneficiary to attack White people on a racial basis (blood-libel), attack the government for enforcing the law, and indirectly encourage attacks on government officials.

    • Replies: @eah
  213. Hail says: • Website
    @Counterinsurgency

    yes, something was wrong with society

    There’s a good book title.

    (I’d like to think I don’t mean “a good epitaph for the West,” but that it could be, too.)

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  214. @Jack D

    Not Rwanda, not Myanmar, not Russia, not India, not Turkey, not Yugoslavia, no one except the Joos?

    Okay then, Israel is one of a handful of countries which today or in recent years has practised ethnic oppression and land-grabbing.

    Better?

    Ethnic oppression and land-grabbing by those other states is commonly acknowledged and freely criticized. It’s only knowledge of that behavior by Israel which is suppressed and hotly denied by the power structure.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  215. eah says:
    @Hail

    I don’t have a problem with her saying it — I don’t see describing ICE enforcement actions as “white nationalist domestic terrorism” as necessarily encouraging violence — I see it more as an advertisement for White Nationalism — it should help more Whites see that even very successful non-whites hold these (extreme) views which are fundamentally hostile to Whites and their interests — so as an ‘acceleration’ agent: the more the better.

  216. @Reg Cæsar

    I like the part where Jesus says the secular democratic State gets to displace Christianity from the public square and import as many heretics and infidels into historic Christendom as it wants. I think it’s the first chapter of the Gospel of Francis of Lampedusa.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  217. Jack D says:
    @silviosilver

    Keep moving those goalposts. You’re going to need wheels.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  218. @Anonymous

    Chinese businessmen are known for their cheating and swindling.

    Chinese consider Indians untrustworthy.

    So, the Chinese really are brighter than us Westerners.

  219. @Hail

    yes, something was wrong with society

    There’s a good book title.

    Right up there with I’m OK, You’re Not so Hot.

  220. @nebulafox

    “He’s America’s Silvio Berlusconi”

    Berlusconi did pretty well on the foreign policy front, his deal with Gadaffi stopped illegal infiltrator boats AND gave ENI first dibs at Libyan oil and gas.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  221. @Jack D

    If your argument’s so strong, why do you feel the need to reinforce it by caricaturing people’s imagined speech patterns? “Joos” is up there with “Muricans”.

  222. @Reg Cæsar

    All men are our brothers, even the heretic and the infidel.

    But apparently not jim jones.

    Counterinsurgency

  223. IHTG says:
    @David

    Why are we talking about Israel nonstop?

    I often ask that question myself!

  224. @Reg Cæsar

    What postwar America needed was a dose of humility, not more confidence. Maybe we can’t do everything we set our minds to.

    It was a strange time. The US had won WW II and was now the world’s leading power, but (after about Spunick made ICBMs real in 1957) the US citizenry believed that it could be destroyed at any time with about 15 minutes warning.

    In my opinion, after WW II most Americans became nearly catatonic politically (“the silent generation”), and the US continued to be ruled by leftists and Democratic party hacks from the FDR era. The leftists, being both Hegelian historicists (subvariety Marxist), believed that all was mutable, force and daring ruled, and that their decision was the only reality.
    These leftists were the guys with hubris. Note that the American public had to be fooled into supporting intervention in Vietnam, and that the Korean war (“the forgotten war”) attracted no popular enthusiasm.

    So: “Maybe we can’t do everything we set our minds to” can best be answered by “What do you mean ‘we’?”.

    Counterinsurgency

  225. Re: the article

    I my opinion, the West was stunned by WW I and WW II, and the development of nuclear arms [1]. So did Europe. The entire West was afraid that its best efforts would lead (as they had in AD 1914 and the slower lead-up to WW II) wanted _somebody else_, pretty much anybody else, to take the reins lest similar best efforts lead to WW III. ‘Waiting for the Barbarians”, while written before AD1936, captures this perfectly.

    And eventually (delayed as even the barbarians were a bit taken aback) somebody did come along and take the reins.

    Unfortunately, the new governing coalition attempted genocide [2] and now appears to be pushing for a civil war [3]. The European population has only recently decided to take control back, and will reorganize Western society as a first step after taking the reins back. If it can, of course.

    Again, this has happened before many times, none of them precisely the same, so the cycle is fairly predictable, as is the casualty count. Although, note, Ghengis Kahn said before the war that destroyed Baghdad, “War has been declared, and none under the blue sky know who will win.” That’s life.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] So was the Soviet Union, as it turned out. WW II had largely depopulated the country, Russian men were very thin on the ground, so thin that there weren’t enough men left to feed the country and it had a post-war famine that killed about a million people (Suvorov, _The Chief Culprit_). Once Stalin died, the USSR went into a stupor and a fanatic preservation of the status quo that prevented the conversion of Stalin’s war economy to peacetime use (Francis Spuford, _Red Plenty_). The US did something similar (“silent generation”, “military industrial complex”), and neither country admitted it.

    2] “Change America”! is an old slogan, goes back 50 years or so. Turns out it means “Genocide!”.

    3] Pushing for a civil war is idiotic for the current governing coalition, but they have never been good at grand strategy. Tactics, yes, grand strategy, no.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  226. jim jones says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Pope is a Communist, he supports homosexuality even though the Christian texts say it is an abomination

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Reg Cæsar
  227. @Jack D

    I moved them longitudinally (in your direction), not laterally. Should be easy for you now. Go on, shoot.

  228. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    The European population has only recently decided to take control back, and will reorganize Western society as a first step after taking the reins back. If it can, of course.

    Take control back from whom?

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  229. njguy73 says:
    @Anon2020

    I would leave New Jersey and go back to Russia so the Lenape can have their homeland back. But there aren’t any Lenape to take it back.

  230. JMcG says:
    @ChrisZ

    Yep, look who is in charge of the major police departments in the UK.

  231. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    My wife is Vietnamese (came here in 1975) and we adopted our son from Vietnam. He is all-American, from the bottom of his baseball cleats to the top of his snap-chat account. He has nothing in common with his cousins in Vietnam.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  232. nebulafox says:
    @jim jones

    Stalin and his successors held views on homosexuality (and modern feminism) that would make the most reactionary American right-wingers blush.

  233. nebulafox says:
    @anon

    For rather obvious reasons, going home wasn’t an option for most Vietnamese in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Even without the political repression, there were near famine conditions until the economic reforms.

    I suspect the Vietnamese would have been among the more high-performing/quickly-assimilating ethnic groups anyway, given their similarly impressive track record in the former East Germany and the fact that East Asians generally do well on that front, but having your bridges burnt means that you’ll typically put in all your effort into a new life wherever you are now.

  234. nebulafox says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That further underlines the comparison. Trump might be a Reagan-aping incompetent at home, but I’m pretty confident that the rest of the GOP clown car (and Hillary) would have gotten us into a war or two by now. Kushner and Bolton and the rest of the cabal have come close to getting their way sometimes, but so far, nothing new.

    Could Trump being doing better on that front? Yes, hell yes. But we could be doing a helluva lot worse. As a prime example, the self-appointed Wise Men in the media are currently chewing The Donald out for stating the sane and obvious: that what is going on in Hong Kong is China’s business, not ours. It occurs to nobody that Beijing is quite willing to negotiate and cut deals on trade while definitely not willing to entertain outsider input on how they do their internal affairs. Not the other way around. These idiot reporters and Senators encouraging the protestors are going to get people killed.

    And I keep wanly smiling on not taking Gaddafi’s words about migration seriously… he was a bit loopy, but he wasn’t stupid, he kept power for four decades.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @sayless
  235. @The Anti-Gnostic

    He said all men are brothers, yet sent His apostles out to all nations. That’s actually the moderate position– we are one species, but naturally divided into nations.

  236. In general, people find it exhausting to imagine the day to day politics of their country stretching on into the far future. This explains much of the appeal of apocalyptic thinking, whether the Rapture or Climate Change. They are a kind of solution.

    This is true.

    I’m pretty dang soft. Love peace and comfort. But i’d just as soon have the civil war–there’s plenty of scores i’d like to settle–and put an end to the abuse and slow decline one way or another. I’m dead or have a real nation.

    But realistically … seems unlikely.

    Likely is we slouch each year toward Brazil–Brazilian mediocrity.

    There are a couple of potential hiccups to that scenario:

    — Automation revolution
    Could be that automation revolution–self driving cars, but all sorts of other robots (cleaning, mowing, etc. as well)–could give TPTB a real rethink on the value of low-skill, low-IQ labor.
    But honestly most of this is driven off ethnic resentments, politics and just the dominanant minoritarian ideology. White people aren’t entitled to have their own nations. The usefulness of the incoming populations isn’t really the issue.

    — Genomics revolution
    If this ramps up in a way where people are really editing in significant traits–health, physique, beauty, intelligence, conscientiounsness, extroversion … then we’re just off to the races. It’s a completely different world. As big as the industrial revolution, potentially as big a change as the neolithic.

    But the default scenario you’d put your money on … slumping toward Brazil.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
  237. @jim jones

    The Pope is a Communist, he supports homosexuality even though the Christian texts say it is an abomination

    If he supports “homosexuality”– an oxymoron, by the way– he’s not a Communist, but a Protestant.

  238. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    There are a couple of potential hiccups to that scenario:

    What about the federal government’s massive deficit and debt overhang?

    — Genomics revolution
    If this ramps up in a way where people are really editing in significant traits–health, physique, beauty, intelligence, conscientiounsness, extroversion … then we’re just off to the races. It’s a completely different world. As big as the industrial revolution, potentially as big a change as the neolithic.

    How is this different than replacement via mass immigration?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  239. @Anonymous

    Except they didn’t use that story to come to the US.
    Remember chain migration?

    Gee, who should I believe, a secret my mother-in-law told her daughter, which fits in entirely with the history of that country, or the rantings of some anonymous internet troll.

    Fuck off, troll.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  240. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Agree. I would add that Rome had many ups and downs before the final collapse. Many times it looked like the Romans were finished, but a new emperor would take power and the empire would re-emerge stronger and better than ever, for awhile. Even as we slouch toward Braziliation we may have generations ahead of prosperity, success, etc.

  241. @Anonymous

    Take control back from whom?

    Why, the people who have it, obvioiusly. Epstein’s bunch, Weinstein’s bunch, Hillary’s bunch, and the Republican Establishment. In terms of territory and cultures, back from the intolerable bigots of New England and the “sell your mother” merchants of NYC. And their support groups. And their little dog, too.

    Counterinsurgency

  242. fish says:
    @Anonymous

    Whoa, whoa, whoa…….I’m sure they’re both untrustworthy!

  243. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    It is human nature to exaggerate stories of hardship, suffering, and injustice (against oneself). Often there are tangible rewards to such “grievances.” In the case of immigrants, there is added incentive, even when it doesn’t facilitate the green card process. Those are more sympathetic explanations for abandonment of home country than money seeking or turning one’s back on one’s people. Your emotional reaction is evidence that something is gained by possession of such stories.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  244. @Anonymous

    Robots can’t use the advanced lawmaking and benevolence of the host culture against it. Robots don’t compete for housing and education. Robots don’t generate subsequent generations of robots resentful of the culture and demographic that made the place so desirable.

  245. @jim jones

    Since many, many RCs don’t even claim to believe a lot of what their church says about doctrinal or worldly sociopolitical matters, you absolutely WILL find allies among RCs. I was one of those allies when I was RC, as were my parents and my wife.

    We all left the RCC, of course, to join Baptist congregations in our respective States. But our views on immigration and the national question — race and ethnicities, borders, language, and culture — haven’t changed.

    Don’t write off the millions of rightminded or openminded RCs who are disgusted with their church becoming an anti white, antiWestern, and pro-perversion / death lifestyle entity. Many of them are thinking seriously about leaving the RCC, as well, for just these reasons, including a friend of ours who is so devoutly RC that he worked for multiple RC newspapers and nearly became a priest back in the day.

  246. sayless says:
    @nebulafox

    Agree, nebulafox.

    By the way, you picked a cool handle.

  247. Saxon says:
    @guest

    I doubt it since some of the highest intelligence people with the most integrity were the ones murdered in China. So the people who survived were either dumb or corrupt and Machiavellian types.

    • Replies: @guest
  248. @Anonymous

    Do you have any psychological studies or recognized theories to back up these claims?

    Do you have any to contradict them? Or are you just blowing smoke?

    Counterinsurgency

  249. @Paleo Liberal

    Watch yourself, Paleoliberal, you are NOTICING. It is a natural human trait, but nowadays can get you shunned, fired, or even arrested.

  250. guest says:
    @Saxon

    The intelligentsia got the brunt of the Cultural Revolution, but casualties were higher during the famine, and that was a bunch of peasants.

  251. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Just because some people lie or exaggerate their experiences doesn’t mean that other people aren’t telling the truth. I can tell you that it’s deeply infuriating to have people (total strangers who weren’t there) deny the life experience of people that you love for stupid or petty reasons or because it fits their idiotic political agenda. It makes you feel as if all the deaths were in vain, as if their entire lives are negated. It makes you want to rip their throat out.

    Imagine that you had a distinguished uncle who was a Medal of Honor winner. All your life you knew of his heroic deeds, had heard the story many times and in great detail. That his company had been ambushed and only a few survived – your uncle (who is no longer here to defend himself) and those whose lives he saved by his heroic actions. That there were contemporary witnesses and that the story of this battle had been printed many times in history books and recounted in the press – you were as certain of it as you are certain of the direction of the sunrise.

    And then one day a total stranger on the internet told you (based on no evidence or personal knowledge but rather his personal biases against the Irish) that no, your Uncle Robert was surely a liar who did not deserve the Medal of Honor – probably he wasn’t even in the Marines and had been running a whorehouse in Peoria on the day in question as this is the preferred occupation of the Irish. Robert probably invented this whole story just so he could get Veterans benefits. In fact that there hadn’t even been a battle or a war – it was all a Hollywood production, just like the Irish staged the moon landing. How would you feel about that accusation? Wouldn’t you want to punch that guy’s lights out? You know that Uncle Robert would do it if he was still here.

  252. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    It’s hard to articulate and pin down, but after you’ve spent time in Asia you can with higher than 70 or 80 percent accuracy distinguish Asians from Asian Americans and Japanese from Chinese from Koreans. There are various fashion, hair, and makeup giveaways, but I’m convinced that body language, and micro facial muscle movements and expressions are enough. Then you have the different facial proportions, the square jawed Korean, the Nagoya native look, the South Chinese, the North Chinese.

    I’m sure that white Americans give off tells also, which puts us at risk of terrorism when travelling.

  253. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, is it your impression that these are real Slavic Russians, or rather Russian-speakers from the Caucasus? Based on the number of Armenians in North Hollywood, I would be inclined to guess the latter.

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