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From Vox:

Shutting down immigration won’t solve Europe’s terrorism problem
Updated by Amanda Taub on March 22, 2016, 4:09 p.m. ET @amandataub amanda@vox.com

There’s still much we don’t know about Tuesday’s terror attacks in the Belgian capital of Brussels, but one thing seems inevitable: There will be renewed calls for crackdowns on refugees and migrants in Europe and for limiting Syrian or even Muslim immigration here in the US.

… Such calls speak to deep, intuitive fears that many of us feel in the wake of an attack like this one. Terrorism, especially when linked to groups like ISIS, seems like a threat that comes from the outside. So it’s natural to conclude that if we could just keep dangerous outsiders from getting into our countries, we would be safe.

Natural, but wrong.

Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans. And terrorism experts say it’s Europeans who’ve traveled to fight with ISIS and are now coming home, not refugees or migrants, who pose the real threat.

Closing borders and cracking down on refugees won’t make us safer, because that’s simply not where the problem comes from …

Okay … but the fact that many European terrorists are second or third generation Muslims suggests that continuing to import more Muslims into Europe in the future will make Europeans even less safe through the end of this century.

In general, moderns have a hard time grasping Will Rogers’ basic point that if you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

 

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  1. Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans.

    I see what she did there. When I see guys like this, they’re not European.

    https://creepingsharia.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/rageboy.jpg?w=468&h=256

    These guys are European.

    http://www.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/prince-william-forehead/01-prince-harry-bowler-hat.jpg

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    The twisted logic would be completely insane…

    if it wasn’t quite deliberately dishonest shilling for the open borders lobby who own all the media.

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  3. Belgium and the rest of Europe, if it wants to keep importing angry Muslims, is going to need to start building an American level of prisons.

    Check this out about the newest Muslim Bomb Brothers:

    In 2010, Ibrahim El Bakraoui was sentenced to 9 years in prison for shooting at police with an assault rifle during a robbery.

    Khalid El Bakraoui was arrested for possession of Kalashnikovs in 2011 and had been sentenced to 5 years in prison for “carjackings.” He had lived at an apartment in the Forest neighborhood which was the scene of a shootout with police last week, acccording to reports by RTBF and the Belga news agency. Khalid also allegedly rented a house in the nearby city of Charleroi, Belga reported.

    No way you shoot at a cop with an assault rifle during a robbery in be out free in 6 years in the USA. We mostly solved our crime problem very expensively by putting about 5% of our black male population in prison. But Europe has low taxes and plenty of money to spare, right?

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  4. “Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans. And terrorism experts say it’s Europeans who’ve traveled to fight with ISIS and are now coming home, not refugees or migrants, who pose the real threat.”

    Those “fellow” Europeans are in fact 2nd or third generation MENA immigrants, i.e. children of guest workers who overstayed their contracts, and the gov was too timid or careless to deport them. Many of those guest workers were simply tolerated for many decades, before most european governments gave them blanket amnesty and eventually citizenship. So the real problem is obviously open borders and amnesty. The current load of immigrants are most likely to repeat the excersice down the generational road.

    But then again VOX, or whatever MSM outlet, know the score exactly, but conciously try and feed us with garbage.

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  5. John Batchelor did the same.

  6. European judicial system is geared to Europeans, who do not want to go to jail for minor crimes since it damages their social standing; it is all part of the liberalisation of social morals after 1968. Generally the European judicial system tries to keep people OUT of jail, not put them INTO jail. Obviously this does not work with immigrants who come from violent and patriarchal societies, as they interpret this as weakness and go apeshit, as we see in Germany, France and Belgium. The problem now is that if the laws are stiffened up, many Europeans would also start landing in jail, which they don’t like so much.

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  7. “Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans. And terrorism experts say it’s Europeans who’ve traveled to fight with ISIS and are now coming home, not refugees or migrants, who pose the real threat.”

    Terrorist threats from so-called “Europeans” who have names that sound like they came straight out of Aladdin.

    It’s funny how these so-called “Europeans” who pledge allegiance to ISIS never have Western sounding names.

  8. “Fellow Europeans,” as the Vox article puts it. Ha ha.

    I have a stock response to that kind of foolishness which I think is short and punchy and funny and memorable, and I encourage others to repeat it, if it catches their fancy:

    “Yup, fellow home-grown Europeans. Guys with names like Jacques and Yves and Ingmar and Diego. Guys who count the rosary and shout “Gloria in excelsis deo” before detonating their suicide vests.

    These guys are about as European as Emperor Hirohito. Stop being a nincompoop.”

  9. It strikes me as really weird the way the media is so eager to call Arabs et al. “Europeans” (or “Irish”, or “Virginians” or “Texans”) when they’d never refer to for example a fourth generation white Zimbabwean as an “African”.

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  10. “Belgium and the rest of Europe, if it wants to keep importing angry Muslims, is going to need to start building an American level of prisons.”

    I read that the majority of people locked up in French prisons are not ethnically French a.k.a Indigenous to France.

    French people are a Minority in its prisons and national football team.

  11. But Vox is right in a disingenuous kind of way. Ending immigration won’t solve the current issue. Reversing it will.

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  12. If an Arab Muslim immigrant or anchor baby in Europe invented a cure for cancer, I guarantee no one in the mainstream media would be referring to that person as a “European”. They are only “Europeans” when they become batshit crazy Jihadists.

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  13. If my house is infested with flies and cockroaches the logical solution on my part would be to: #1 Put a trail of sugar from my kitchen leading to the front door so ants will arrive making up the missing components of an exciting BYO insect party? #2 Purchase copious canisters of insecticide to rid myself of the problem?

  14. Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans.

    European in the same way that Charlize Theron is African American.

  15. She’s some idiotic human rights lawyer can’t expect much from her on this topic.

  16. Shitlibs are forever trying to turn western nations into third world hovels. But strangely, they do not want to live in those places once their work has come to fruition. Why are people like Elon Musk and Charleze Theron not living in South Africa, instead of trying to turn the US into South Africa? Why don’t all the bleeding hearts move to South Africa, a once white-ruled country now turned paradise after shitlibs were through with it? Could it be coz of the crime, the low living standard, the corruption, dysfunctional government departments, expensive and non-functional services, government sponsored anti-white racism, cities turning into slums, low educational standards, power failures, low healthcare standards, unclean drinking water etc.? I think the bleeding hearts know the score, and they don’t want to live in that which their efforts have wrought. Living in a comfortable western nation, whilst enjoying the emotional highs and good money of SJW-dom is far more exiting. As to the neocon’s, their motives are generally known. It’s about Israel and nothing else.

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  17. I guess on the other end, if you accelerate immigration and displace the europeans, then your problem is also solved. you’ll have just another dysfunctional african or muslim country, except now it’s located in europe. It worked for Rhodesia and South Africa. During apartheid, South Africa was forever in the news as some kind of never-ending crisis, but once the whites were removed from power, all problems were ostensibly resolved. maybe whites just need to get tf out of the world and all problems will be resolved, right?

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  18. Despite the immigration uber alles attitude of the professional left, I don’t ever see them citing instances in which the host society is benefitting from all this vibrant diversity. They just seem content to offer Third World culture First World benefits (like social welfare) and consider that a good day’s work.

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  19. Mention that, and you’ll be called racist. Reductio ad racism.

  20. Why not say “European citizens”? Does she actually think that the terrorists are “European”? Because they speak their host land’s tongue?

    Vile dishonesty.

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  21. Right. They are just Arabs living in Europe. There is a difference.

  22. Steve: could you write about the rise of the pro-immigrant meme in correlation with more women coming into western politics? Merkel’s nonsense probs has a nefarious and blackmail background to it, but can also be attributed to her being a woman (embrace the world), much as Thatcher’s hardness was overreaction due to her having to prove her manliness to the male political class. Basically the rise of female politicians means dissolution of western society, or something along those lines. What difference does it make whether a female pol has kids or not?

  23. Good treatment of Muslims in Western countries decreases their recruitment to extremists. Good relations between the West and Muslim countries strengthens the hand of the Muslim countries fighting IS on the ground. Good treatment of Muslims by the West removes one of the main propaganda weapons that reduces the increasing internal dissent in their territory.

    The reverse of each of these points is also true.

    Why else are they carrying out these attacks?

    They’re extraordinarily easy to alter. Just treat Muslims with the same dignity and respect as every other citizen of your country. Job done.

    By all means investigate terrorist threats vigorously, but remember that the target is terrorism, not Islam.

    This is why it is imperitave to invite more Muslims into homogenous “white” countries and show respect for Islam. Spain did a good job of this before the reconquista by Christian terrorists

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  24. If we stop pouring gasoline on a fire, that won’t extinguish the fire.

  25. Why do these so-called journalists play this game of semantics? Who is fooled by such arguments?

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  26. It is very unlikely that the perpetrators of all these events are really Muslims. These are Gladio B false flag operations.

    Whenever they identify the perpetrators, it’s always some people who were “known to the authorities” as jihadists or “radicals” or whatever. So these are people who are under very intense surveillance, they can’t take a leak without the organs of the State knowing about it, and somehow they plan and carry out all these complex terrorist operations right under the noses of the authorities. Does that make any sense?

    No, these are patsies. Here, take a look at the patsy that they claim was the “mastermind” of the events in Paris last November:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=abdelhamid+abaaoud&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjb4b3L39bLAhWFWBQKHS2ECJIQ_AUICCgC&biw=1280&bih=635

    Look at this guy. Is this a terrorist mastermind or a patsy?

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  27. My late grandmother was particularly fond of the truism “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”, which you don’t really hear much anymore, though I admit the metric version doesn’t have quite the same ring to it. My grandfather liked to say that common sense wasn’t all that common, and it seems Taub is trying her best to make it even less so.

    A lot of 21st-century liberal writing seems to have the aim of convincing us that common sense/intuition is wrong. There are certainly cases where that’s true, but most of the examples that I can think of off the top of my head involve things that human beings only started thinking about very recently (evolution, quantum/relativistic physics, cardinalities of infinite sets, probability theory). In contrast, primates, being social animals, have been thinking about interactions with other primates for millions of years, so I feel like evolution has given most of us a pretty good cognitive tool set for evaluating our relationships with groups of other humans, particularly ones with a propensity for violence. I don’t know what evolutionary psychologists call this faculty(noticing?), but whatever it is, it’s gotten us this far, so why are progressives so bent on getting rid of it now?

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  28. It’s still insane. The religious instinct perverted into pathological altruism, and now they’ve convinced themselves they must die for their own sins.

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  29. This is what I’ve been saying for years. It’s extraordinarily culturally insensitive of us to police Muslims using principles designed for Europeans. We need to take multiculturalism to its logical conclusion and institute multicultural policing. This would include applying shariah law to Muslim criminals and communal violence for Muslim terror attacks. This wouldn’t be violence for its own sake, but violence specifically to facilitate intercultural understanding.

    Torching a block or two of Molenbeek for example would translate to “Cut that shit out!”

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    My mind reels at the gibberish people with college degrees are capable of producing. It takes a lot of education to be so stupid.

  31. Sailer is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling ‘Stop digging!’

  32. This is a good time to reflect on our extraordinary good fortune so far–we have a pretty large Muslim population that *hasn’t* become a permanent resentful underclass and a source for terrorist recruiting. This is presumably not because of our clever policies, but rather luck–France, Belgium, and the UK appear to have gotten a much worse grade of Muslim immigrants. There is not an obvious reason why this has to keep working out for us, either.

    I wonder how much of this is due to getting more ambitious/smarter/harder working Muslim populations immigrating here, and how much is due to the resentful underclass niche already being mostly filled by blacks in the U.S.

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  33. When I was a kid, I remember my dad always talking about pendulum swings in politics. And now I’m an old guy, and like half the big political issues look like pendulum swings to me. At some point in a fit of good-intentioned penal reform, we let too many bad people out of jail. Crime went up partly as a result of that and partly due to whatever weird social forces move crime rates. So we all got scared of criminals and passed laws to lock a whole bunch of them up again, and we overdid it–you can see that because we have an incredibly high incarceration rate relative to other countries. Pendulum swing.

    I expect much of Europe is at a different place in their pendulum swing on this issue. Eventually they’ll expand their prison population to be able to lock up all the folks who badly need locking up, and most likely they’ll overshoot and end up locking up a lot of low-level nobodies who don’t really need long prison terms. And eventually, their pendulum will swing back on this issue, too.

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  34. Ultimately, who benefits from this? Lefty politicians importing votes? Cheap labor? Or something else not discussed?

    I find it hard to believe the common European really wants more immigration.

  35. This quote by Aristotle should be stamped on the minds of every politician and journalist,

    Another cause of revolution is difference of races which do not at once acquire a common spirit; for a state is not the growth of a day, any more than it grows out of a multitude brought together by accident. Hence the reception of strangers in colonies, either at the time of their foundation or afterwards, has generally produced revolution…”

    The term immigrant is a legal term without much meaning. Donald Trump is married to an immigrant woman but this is rarely brought up in his defense to show that he is pro-immigrant. What matters is what culture, race and civilization do you come from. Immigrants per se are not the problem; Muslims are the problem whether they be immigrants or not.

  36. “Belgium and the rest of Europe, if it wants to keep importing angry Muslims…”

    quids–”Obviously this does not work with immigrants who come from violent and patriarchal societies…”

    Why you mad, bros?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/15/no-islam-isn-t-inherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it.html

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  37. Fellow Europeans? Speak for yourself, Amanda Taub!
    Obviously, the fix is importing 100 million more Muslims, those lovely and hard-working people!

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  38. The U.S. is huge with a small scattered Muslim population. Also, besides being small and geographically diffuse, the American Muslim population is sufficiently diverse to make ghettotization even less likely. Many American Muslims are black converts who don’t need assimilation. Many are highly educated South Asians and Persians. The most problematic group throughout the world, Sunni Arab Muslims, are a small minority of a small minority.

  39. The U.S. is huge with a small scattered Muslim population. Also, besides being small and geographically diffuse, the American Muslim population is sufficiently diverse to make ghettotization even less likely. Many American Muslims are black converts who don’t need assimilation. Many are highly educated South Asians and Persians. The most problematic group throughout the world, Sunni Arab Muslims, are a small minority of a small minority.

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    Look at the name.

    She’s not one of those – although yes she is trying to manipulate the kind of ppl you mention into dying for their sins.

  41. Blacks are black even though they’ve been in the USA for 400 years. Muslims are “European” if their parents arrived in Europe five seconds before they were born.

    I guess whether Muslims are Muslim or “European” all depends on which answer makes (real) Europeans look bad.

  42. “fellow Europeans”

    This made me laugh and almost fall off my chair.

    Yeah, and I’m a bear because I live in the woods.

    Humans are, for the most part, STUPID. Logical thinking is rare, and should be cherished like gold.

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  43. Here’s another recent article from this same Vox contributor, Amanda Taub, where she asks the question, “The #ManPanel problem: why are female experts still so widely ignored?

    What’s so funny is that she’s oblivious to the fact that her unbelievably ignorant immigration article provides part of the answer to that question.

    http://www.vox.com/2016/3/16/11245454/manpanel-problem-female-experts-ignored

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    US muslim immigrants skewed more to college vs cheap labor

    the proportion of unskilled labor among the refugees will be much higher

  45. I notice that the Belgium Bombers were brothers. I bet that they reproduced – probably in triplicate – before they committed their dastardly deed. With Muslims, where there’s one, there are a dozen more.

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  46. You do not get. You have it backwards. One reason muslims are imported so the muslim terrorist acts are credible. But obviously there are other reasons for importation of muslims and Africans to Europe.

  47. This latest meme about the attackers being European, and thus completely unrelated to the immigration issue, is just proof that they have no intent on changing their views. Even some 2nd amendment supporters will agree that there are limits to gun ownership and will support a ban on fully automatic rifles. Or they will support more background checks of private gun sales. Some abortion supporters will agree there needs to be limits on late term abortions. But with immigration it appears there is no room for compromise. No matter what the results it must continue unabated.

    Even with a Trump victory and similar positive elections in Europe, I doubt the minds of these open border supporters will change. They will probably use every legal trick in the book, including hearings in front of friendly justices, which will tie up Trump’s actions in courts of law.

    I think the only way to change the majority of open border supporters’ views is to shift the paradigm of the issue. Currently the issue is seen as one in which the rich white nations are helping the poor third worlders by bringing them in. Additionally there is the bonus that it annoys the wrong type of whites, i.e. us. Instead if somehow these people could be made to see that immigration is robbing the third world of its talent and that bringing them here is akin to the old colonialists extracting resources from those far off places, it might begin to get the majority of the open borders crowd to reassess exactly why they support it. Additionally instead of playing up the white angst which makes them happy, we could play up the fact that these immigrants are being brought in to support whites in their retirement years. Are you kidding? That is akin to slavery, isn’t it?

    Yes I know the real elite like open borders for cheap labor and such. But I am referring to the mass of voters we all know among our friends and relatives who dutifully reject any immigration restrictionist candidate and get squeamish even discussing the issue. These are the people who have been trained to fear the charge of racism and thus will go along with anything that is not racist. Therefore, changing the paradigm of immigration from the perspective that opposition to it equals racism to continued support of it equals racism is what is needed to flip this unfortunately large group.

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  48. I still don’t understand the point of “Vox” seems like there’s already a glut of leftist outrage/clickbait sites with Salon, Slate, Gawker, etc.

  49. I still don’t understand the point of Vox, seems like there’s already a glut of leftist clickbait/outrage sites: Salon, Slate, Gawker, etc.

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  50. She’s absolutely correct. It won’t do any good to just shut down the borders. All the Muslims let in since the end of WWII and their descendants should be deported, as well.

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    Can you name a mainstream leftist propaganda outlet that is more noxious than VOX? I doubt it’s possible. Its staff writers are also overwhelmingly Jewish – surprisingly so even by left-wing NYC standards.

  52. Here is an easy test for the proposition that the terrorists are European. Ask captured terrorists if they think they are European. What percentage will say yes? For that matter you can even ask their friends and relatives who have not committed terrorism if they consider themselves European.

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  53. The vast majority of murders in the USA are committed by Americans who were born here, but they are still murderers and their victims are still dead. In Europe the violent attacks were perpetrated by one group of people, apparently most were born in Europe, but why import more of this group? The ones born in Europe show no loyalty to their birth nations, so why would you expect refugees from the same group, with no ties to the soil, to become great citizens?

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  54. Maybe when you find yourself in a hole, you can’t but wonder, are you down there digging for treasure? But if you lose your wits digging for treasure, would you be of sound mind, to consider that be treasure not safe enough for you to find?

    “An obese gray rat toddled along the side of the crypt, moving the pebbles. An old stager: greatgrandmother: she knows the ropes. The grey alive crushed itself in under the plinth, wriggled itself in under it. Good hiding place for treasure.”

    The NYT upfront has 15 headlines this morning, as of 10:55. Royally, we know that’s not good enough; we know what the movie Dial C for Concupiscence is about; we know how to Watch. But the gray rat is too senile to keep the Times anymore.

    “We sort of play. But it’s all hypothetical, somehow. Even the ‘we’ is theory: I never get quite to see the distant opponent, for all the apparatus of the game.”
    “Yeah yeah we’ll know him when we see him so you better hear him.”

    Must we be
    for the LA key
    of you are in e,
    The Pat seeKing?

    “Then you’ll be ready to move up to optics.”

  55. Your version of the pendulum swinging is a grandfather clock functioning well while rolling down the hill. You’ve already lost if you’ve simply resorted to incarceration that will itself be lessened at some point. The pendulum should swing towards expulsion. Otherwise, you’ve just kicked the can down the road.

  56. The Original Sin keeps on harvesting the innocent bodies .

    “David Wurmser, Cheney’s Middle East adviser, stressed (in 1996) that “limiting and expediting the chaotic collapse” of Ba’athism must be America’s foremost priority in the region. Secular-Arab nationalism should be given no quarter, not even, he added, for the sake of stemming the tide of Islamic fundamentalism.”

    Alastair Crooke a British diplomat who was a senior figure in British intelligence and in European Union diplomacy–

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/17/lost-on-the-dark-side-in-syria/

    Some still prefer ISIS to Iran . They even transport the wounded ,treat,and get them ready for the next harvesting .

  57. u are assuming that libs care about the 3. world. They use the 3. world to beat us down, thats all. And so far they are doing well

  58. Both your arguments are ridiculously weak:

    1. Practically none of the 3rd worlders that come here are especially talented – we are not “robbing” anything.

    2. Immigrants aren’t going to pay anybody’s pension.

    Open borders supporters are unhimged lunatics who have consistently rejected out of hand much stronger arguments for immigration restriction. You’re heart is in the right place, but we need a better approach.

  59. Here are more photos of what Europeans look like:

    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jeanmarie-le-pen-with-family-closeup-de-jeanmarie-le-pen-en-famille-picture-id162733112

    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jeanmarie-le-pen-with-family-closeup-de-jeanmarie-le-pen-en-famille-picture-id162733850

    There a few years old; the little girl in the photo is now a Front National deputy in their National Assembly.

  60. Yeah I think it’s just that, due to geography and such, our immigrants will be skimmed from the top to a larger degree than Europe’s.

  61. “Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans. ”

    Right. Just like the future children and grandchildren of the current incoming muslim immigrant invaders will also be “fellow Europeans” when they blow the crap out of everybody.

    I can’t believe anybody falls for that BS line.

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  62. I have the answer!!!

    I was in Copenhagen standing in line behind a European Muslim who was one step away from having her head rotate and start hissing in Latin Poltergeist style….She was talking to an American Muslim who was totally chill…

    The difference is that American Muslims live in areas that are already Brown (Mexicans). Like Irvine California. Whites are Already a Minority to American Muslims. They rarely run into Blonde People.

    To an American Muslim we’re already dead.

    But there are still far too many blondes in Europe for the European Muslims to deal with…especially the females.

    How shit would life be if you’re some Arab chick with a big nose and thick black hair surrounded every waking moment by 6′ Blonde Scandinavian Supermodels?

    Compare that to Muslims in SoCal being surrounded by 4’8 Aztecs.

    There just aren’t enough Nordic Americans left to give Muslims serious psychological problems.

  63. good point. U can bet eurocrats and the media dont want to know the answer to that question

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    Jihadists (and Muslim criminals generally) tend to follow family connections – for reasons which nowadays seem obvious to me.

    I wonder if security services have figured this out yet? Instead of doing the usual surveillance thing for known associates they should just print out the guy’s family tree.

  65. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"]
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    Okay … but the fact that many European terrorists are second or third generation Muslims suggests that continuing to import more Muslims into Europe in the future will make Europeans even less safe through the end of this century.

    Oh wow. The sins of the fathers. I can’t even …

    Wait. Doesn’t modern science tell us that behavior is predominately inherited. Must be garbage science then, to be discarded because it does not fit the narrative.

  66. If a person of color rapes, tortures and then murders another person of color in the absence of a White person to have traumatized the perpetrator, then did it really happen?

  67. 1. Journos are mostly superficial and lazy
    2. Getting into the trenches of the real world is tedious and dangerous
    3. The pervasive need to maintain the moral high ground, if only in their own heads
    4. They enjoy their corporate lifestyles

    obviously these demands contradict. Symantics is the easiest shortcut out of the dilemma

  68. I agree. To keep Europe safe, we need to do what the safe Muslim countries do: apply sharia law to Muslims. As your link identifies, Muslim countries are safe to walk around in. We need to chop off the hands of Muslim thieves. And enough of the lawyer/client/rights of the accused stuff. Some muslim steals a purse on some city bus? Stop the bus, drag them out, hold them down, chop it off. Your point is well taken. Sharia law is quite effective in making safe streets.

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  69. Brilliant trolling. You lost it a bit at the end or perhaps you didn’t and Euros really are that crazy?

    Either way, you have successfully pointed to where the modern liberal paradigm has to go in order not to be caught. And futute events will just send it further and further down the rabbit hole.

    I cannot even imagine where this race ends.

  70. It costs nothing to put someone on a list, but it costs about 12 highly trained security professionals to follow them around 24/7. Since there are tens of thousands of potential terrorists swimming in a sea of millions of Muslims in Europe we would probably need a few million of these operatives to stop all of these attacks. Furthermore we would needs many millions more to function as the shift of the spear. Essentially we would need a Europe wide Stasis. Oh the joys of immigration!

  71. These people are either blinded by their own propaganda, or just flat-out stupid.

    Here is the money line, IMHO:

    “The problem is also regular citizens within Europe turning to terrorism, via a process that terrorism experts refer to as radicalization. That doesn’t require a trip to Syria. Indeed, Hackman points out, networks in Molenbeek mean that Belgian citizens can become radicalized and develop relationships with other radicalized youths within walking distance of their homes.” (emphasis added)

    “Regular citizens.” What a laugh.

    We are fed, ad nauseum, stories of how refugees are not a threat, how they are less likely to commit crimes, how they are fearful victims running from the same terror that we want to stop.

    Even on this very blog, we are sold a bill of goods about how, e.g., the Fort Hood shooter was an American.

    If Belgium and France did not import millions of people from the colonies, this incident simply would not have happened.

    I dunno – maybe looking more responsibly at whom you let into the country may at this point be locking the barn door after the camel has escaped. But to look at what is happening around Europe and say that this is an argument to LET IN MORE refugees defies comprehension.

  72. That is the old joke about Andy Murray, he is only ‘Scottish’ when he loses, when he wins he somehow becomes ‘British’.

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  73. They all still care to some degree (Albeit a diminishing one) about being profitable. VOX has no concern about this and can be ahead of the curve in propaganda terms, helping to set the future tone of Slate et al.

  74. Ireland gained independence under a century after the English language had finally conquered the country and had reached the apex of it’s assimilation to English culture.

    And try telling the ethnic Ukrainian Russophones fighting alongside Ukrainian-speakers against ethnic Russians that they are really Russians.

    And let’s not even touch the issue of identity in the ‘assimilated’ Jewish diaspora.

    It’s like people define their identity through ancestry or something…

  75. Lol! Yes Cor-blimey, citing professional Muslim apologist and Berkeley academic (((Michael Steven Fish))) posting at the Daily Beast is really going to convince everyone around here!

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  76. Basically they are saying, don’t worry about immigration, it is second generation immigrants who kill, not first. And haven’t we progressed past the point where we care more about our children than poor, disenfranchised muslims?

  77. Nothing defines a European more than belonging to an unassimilated minority group with close ties to their cultural roots outside of Europe. It’s like Arab mohammedans are more European than the Europeans themselves. After all the musulmen chose to be European, by showing up, or being born there, or something, and embracing multiculturalism by rejecting the dominant norms are adhering closely to Arab mohammedan culture. Can you get more European? Demanding people in Europe act like Europeans is racist.

    Americans on the other hand are all immigrants, except Native Americans. My great-great-great-great-grandmother’s second husband was half-Cherokee which means I’m 1/128th Native and thus a REAL NATIVE, or real enough for the California foster care system. So in conclusion, I say to all my friends at iSteve: GET ORF MOY LAAAAAAND!

    http://viz.co.uk/category/cartoons/strip-cartoons/farmer-palmer/

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    Filtered through truth box: IIGFTJ

    Is it good for the…

    If rise of European nationalism targets Muslim Semites, will it unite against another kind of Semites?

  79. It is important to start labeling these Muslim on white terror / cultural / territorial assaults as being RACIST. It is probably what we need to do to start beating the left at their own game. We are tired of importing crime – poverty – and RACISM. Once they cannot get the odium off, the left will be much easier to attack and take apart. In fact, we need to do the same thing with all migration / immigration.

  80. “It strikes me as really weird the way the media is so eager to call Arabs et al. “Europeans” (or “Irish”, or “Virginians” or “Texans”) when they’d never refer to for example a fourth generation white Zimbabwean as an “African”.”

    Was Ahmed the Sudanese clock boy referred to as a “Texan” by the mainstream media?

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  81. Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans.

    As nonsensical as that is, the obvious rebuttal is “racist”. Which makes her argument utterly unassailable within the audience she cares to address. She cares about persuading the left, and the “right” no deeper than the likes of David Brooks and Thomas Friedman.

  82. In general, moderns have a hard time grasping Will Rogers’ basic point that if you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

    That’s because many modern Americans haven’t ever really dug a hole.

  83. Great comment!

  84. Why US doesn’t have Europe’s Islamic terrorism problem.

    #1. We don’t have that many Muslims. 3M, about 1%. (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/06/a-new-estimate-of-the-u-s-muslim-population/) Pew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe) rates UK, France, GErmany, Belgium, NEtherlands as all having between 4-10%.

    Mexicans are way better to have than Muslims, but remember when Mexicans were 5% rather than 15%+, immigration was a fringe concern. More Muslims, more problems.

    #2. We get a better class of Muslims in general. They came here as well-off IRanians fleeing in the early 1980s, or as graduate students or just rich oil parasites. Europe either imported unskilled laborers or let in unemployables for political reasons.

    #3. A big chunk of our Muslims are black converts. They’re prone to radicalization, but they’re also pre-assimilated in many ways.

    #4. The Iranian contingent are likely to be inoculated against too much god-talk, since that’s why they left Iran in the first place.

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  85. Vox Day was right about the SJWs (including those at Vox): they always double down.

  86. “4. The Iranian contingent are likely to be inoculated against too much god-talk, since that’s why they left Iran in the first place.”

    A lot of Iranians in The U.S are Jews, so they are definitely not going to be batshit crazy Jihadists.

  87. Metric system, eh? “A few grams of prevention are worth a few megatons of cure.”

  88. The mainstream media in The U.S refers to Arab Muslim terrorists as “Europeans” because it automatically gives them a White racial value in the minds and eyes of many Americans, especially Black Americans.

    Many Black Americans are going to say White boys in Brussels, Madrid, London, Paris, etc are batshit crazy and they have the nerve to say we are more violent than them Crackas.

    Arab Muslim terrorists are being racially George Zimmerfied. Violent Honkies from Sanford, Florida to to Brussels, Belgium are taking lives.

  89. From elsewhere in the world, with remarkable alacrity:

    All is quiet outside the house in the north of Brussels, where police found a bomb and an IS flag. Without television teams had never been marked to the small street housed a terrorist nest. But the neighbors have already left deep scars. “We are double victims. We are victims of terror, and now the victim of Belgians fear, “says Driss [a muslim] living some distance down the street.

    http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/boende-intill-terrornastet-vi-ar-dubbla-offer/

    Dagens Nyheter is the largest newspaper in Sweden, owned by the Bonniers family, and rabidly pro-immigration.

    Thanks to Google for the translation.

  90. Is there any research on third generation Muslim immigrants, or third generation immigrants in general. I had always thought our best hope was to make all our existing Muslims third generation Americans, by not bringing any more first generation. The second generation, definitely a problem. This applies to other immigrant groups too. The second generation of Jews gave us the Rosenbergs and their compatriots. In 1958, I took a tour of juvenile hall with a high school group, and someone asked why there were so many Mexicans there. The cop/pop sociologist said it was because of the cultural conflict in the second generation.

  91. We get a better class of Muslims in general. They came here as well-off Iranians fleeing in the early 1980s.

    Yeah, hardly. Those Iranians are of a different religious persuasion. Better at wheeling and dealing of course, but just as tacky as your run of the mill Merkel boy toy. We never needed them. They have significantly decreased the quality of society wherever they are found in any number.

  92. Making a vast generalization, we get a better class of Muslims than Europe does. Persians are pretty cool and high IQ. One exception is the Muslim refugees the libs bring in here. Somalians are awful. I am amazed that so many nations have allowed in large numbers of them. From Canada, Australia to England to Europe and the USA. Somalians seem to have a magical key to open up the door.
    I have read that 70% of our legal refugees are are now Muslim. Refugees are eligible for every welfare program the second they get here.
    House of Sand and Fog is a good movie that involves Iranian immigrants here.

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  93. You can’t deport legal citizens. Please get real.

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  94. >>In general, moderns have a hard time grasping Will Rogers’ basic point that if you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

    You are just about the only pundit or commentator who has quoted, referenced or paraphrased Will Rodgers in 25 years. Ok, I exaggerate, a little, but you get the point. From the 1940s until the early to mid 1980s one could not pass a week without encountering some media writer or commentator quoting or referring to Will Rodgers. Now, nothing. Sucked into that ol’ memory hole. Will Rogers died with the Reagan Administration. I guess that what has followed has been too cynical, bitter and hopeless to make reference to Will Rogers. The fact that his irony was happily and healthily humorous hasn’t helped him either. Leftists are stridently anti-humerous. No time for that. Now, most writers who knew who Will Rogers was and his legacy have either died off, retired or are too old to matter. I would guess that less than 10% of Vox’s writers/editors (same with Slate, Salon, TNR) even know who Will Rogers is. Oh, and of course Will Rogers is just another DWM (dead white male), ha! ha! Generational shift is a true and interesting phenomenon. Ignorance is not, though.

  95. I’m reminded: when Sandra Bullock adopted her little black sambo, she made a big deal about moving to New Orleans, New Orleans was gonna be “his (Louis’s)” town, etc. She moved back to Manhattan rather quickly.

  96. Ours is geographically more dissolute by virtue of our great land mass and population centers distributed in different parts of it. Perhaps this has a salutary effect insofar as the Muslim population is thus far denied a critical mass in numbers and politically to agitate for the kinds of concessions that help terrorists hide amongst and within it.

    Having said this, Europe’s Muslim problem is our future Muslim problem. Immigration to Europe from the Middle East and Africa has had a bit of a head start Muslim immigration to the U.S. (which I believe doubled after September 11, 2001). It seems that for rather obvious reasons, the homes of the former colonizer have been colonized – Pakistanis go to Britain, Algerians and Moroccans go to France and Francophone/Walloon Brussels in Belgium, etc. They’ve just had the requisite two or so generations who breed the home-grown radical terrorists come to bear their wicked fruits sooner. In any event, it’s known in intelligence and law enforcement circles that prisons are happy hunting grounds for radicalizers and recruiters of our own resentful underclass.

    Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans.

    Like most here, I found this interesting in addition to being dishonest. The author no doubt would join the President in assigning blame for the Crusades upon American whites, while pretending that Mohammed is the pork pie eating son of John Bull himself.

    It, of course, also elides the role that immigrant Imams have had in disseminating radical propaganda in the West to these disaffected second and third generation Muslims, as well as the support or apathy towards terrorism and Islamism of the immigrants themselves.

  97. they’d never refer to for example a fourth generation white Zimbabwean as an “African”.

    I don’t know this to be true

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  98. Neither the speaker nor the hearer believes it in good faith. Rather, it is a dare on the part of the speaker to refute the statement by stating the obvious – the second generation Mohammeds are not really British or French or Belgian in any meaningful way. To speak so, of course, is the crime of racism.

  99. This is a good reason to avoid Republicans who push for expanded guest worker programs — no mater how tough they talk on the immigration issue.

  100. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/23/two-convicted-over-moped-drive-by-london-terror-plot

    “Two Britons have been convicted of an Islamic State-inspired plot to carry out drive-by murders on the streets of London.

    Counter-terrorism officials believe police or soldiers were the intended targets of the conspiracy, in which the two plotters, who were university students, threw away glittering careers to pursue violent jihad.

    The Guardian understands that ringleader Tarik Hassane, 22, is believed to have visited Isis-controlled territory in Syria, and the plot is also believed to have been aided by someone overseas.”

    But “Briton” Tarik Hassane is the son of a Saudi Ambassador to Uzbekistan !

    “Hassane’s father was the Saudi Ambassador to Uzbekistan, it can be revealed, but had left him to grow up on a council estate in the Ladbroke Grove area of west London with his aunt.”

    http://news.sky.com/story/1665667/pair-face-jail-over-drive-by-terror-plot

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  101. Well said. Some of the more recent Muslims in the US are troublesome, like Somalis, but are more likely to be involved in ordinary crime than terrorist activity as a whole. I heard the Dearborn “Arabs” are annoying but overall middle-class and not religiously fervent.

  102. The fact that they were born in Europe actually proves the point that this population cannot and will not adopt Western norms.

  103. Typical ”familiar mode” narrative

    ”Fellows europeans”

    Such a great emotional intelligence, is not*

    ;)

  104. Trump advocated something that would have stopped that attack, forcing the terrorist killer captured three days earlier to talk.

    Trump is being criticised for not advocating Middle Eastern intervention by the US military against Sunni rebels (and Iran). The US and its NATO sidekicks trying to determine who rules Arab countries will incense European Muslim communities and the Europeans will suffer the consequences. European counties don’t want to be dragged into more stupid wars , so the neocons shouldn’t pretend they are defending allies by advocating invasions of Arab land. The US is too keen on wars in other people’s countries, wars which have repeatedly been shown to make things worse for the unfortunate inhabitants.

  105. There’s too many of them. Treating Muslims with kid gloves will bankrupt Europe. Buying off minorities only works when their numbers are small. Simple economics.

  106. ‘Strength in unity’: Germany responds to Brussels terror

    Chancellor Angela Merkel said that Europe’s “strength is in our unity” in fighting terrorists in a statement on the Brussels attacks on Tuesday.

    http://www.thelocal.de/20160322/how-germany-reacted-to-the-brussels-attacks

    “strength is in our unity” sounds like something that guy from the 1930s might say.

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  107. Deportation works, Ibrahim el-Bakraoui blew himself up in Belgium not Turkey after being deported from Turkey to Belgium. I don’t blame the Turks for wanting all those Belgians out of their country.

  108. I’ve seen these arguments seriously floated by the Left, but they just don’t get any traction; usually just a call to import everyone else from the Third World.

  109. One of the things most detestable about the elites — and which is their fatal, even “tragic” flaw — is that they overthink things. They place a premium on the intellectual triple bank shot, because it shows how devilishly smart they are. So if some piece of evidence goes against their theory of the world, a bit of circuitous logic is all they need to set their world in proper order.

    Of course, to the kid agape at the Emperor in his only purported clothes, it all looks ridiculous. He has no inclination whatever to overthink things, and calls it out.

    Trump, of course, is that kid. I’d say that in general it pretty well sums up every position he takes: he goes for the obvious solution. Illegal immigrants cause a problem? Throw them out, and build a wall to keep them out. Muslims cause a problem? Keep them out of the country, and bomb them to hell when they cause trouble elsewhere. Jobs going abroad? Stop it by law. Etc.

    For better and for worse, Trump seems to have adopted just about every simple — and, no doubt, sometimes, simplistic — idea that has ever occurred to people as a solution to a problem.

    I can see how Trump’s ideas are sometimes going to crash and burn, because they are overly simple.

    But we haven’t tried the simple and obvious in a long, long time. And perhaps we need to go through a good period of that just in order to clear out the Augean mess of complexity that binds us to self-destructive behaviors. We are stuck in a local maximum, and likely only a certain amount of real experimentation can get us out of our rut.

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  110. It would be a whole lot better to encourage racism. Low group IQ, high trust vs low trust societies, in-group vs out-group morality, these are points that address the self-interest of Whites. And given the housing and schooling patterns of middle class liberal Whites, they’re all as racist as I am already.

  111. I listen to an evangelical, liberal, talk-show host every morning. He favours mass immigration and also favours ‘boots on the ground’ in the ME. He is so convinced of his moral superiority I’m starting to think there’s an equivalence with that phenomenon of women marrying hard-core criminals – the ultimate achievement; to tame the wild beast. This broadcaster prides himself on being impartial; likes to call those who seek immigration control ‘knucle-draggers’, but also likes to openly admonish Muslims for holding gender-segregated meetings. He is convinced he can liberalise all immigrants no matter how many come to Britain. But he believes the (Arab) MiddleEast has to be bombed because it is soooo evil.

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  112. No, Islam Isn’t Inherently Violent, And The Math Proves It

    That was good for a laugh: “compared to the West, Muslims live happily in peaceful, low-crime societies that are superior to ours. They have no need to emigrate, but when they do, we should embrace them and convert. All of our problems will then disappear.”

  113. I’m wondering: How does a 22-year old college student throw away a glittering career?

  114. … renewed calls for crackdowns on refugees and migrants… Such calls speak to deep, intuitive fears that many of us feel in the wake of an attack like this one. …So it’s natural to conclude that if we could just keep dangerous outsiders from getting into our countries, we would be safe.

    Natural, but wrong.

    Natural and correct. Why must we be told our instincts are wrong? The same instincts that brought us through thousands of years of civilization must now be tossed aside so that our psychotic political class can watch things go off a cliff.

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  115. Absolutely.

    The only way to end the specter of terror hanging over Europe is expand the Merkel program of granting visa and document free entry to any newcomers suspected of arriving from MENA countries. Of course we can’t be sure where they’re actually from because asking for ID documents would be racist. Only by ingratiating to the foreigners can Europeans hope to delay the pogroms and ethnic cleansing of European citizens.

    Very soon all the ununiformed armies from the Morgenland will be able to occupy Europe completely and securely, …

    To be clear, border controls in Europe should not be suspended. After all, we don’t want to allow entry to any white racists or misogynists like Donald Trump and his like-minded supporters, such as Haven Monahan et al.

    It is patently discriminatory and racist that Europe, and the US require entry visas and background checks for visitors from so many countries while waiving visa requirements for guests from developed “white-privilege” nations. Why should a guest from places like Canada or Denmark be able to travel and visit without the expensive and onerous requirements of applying for a visa… while visitors and guests who can least be able to afford it from impoverished places like Yemen, Somalia and Afghanistan have to pay exorbitant fees to the embassy and suffer while waiting to leave their horribly managed oppressive homelands? To make up for past discrimination in our progressive nations visa regime we must end visa requirements for these less developed nations. Furthermore for the same reason it’s too much to ask America’s impoverished underclass to furnish any ID when voting. our progressive western societies need to reconsider requiring passports from visitors when they arrive from the world’s most impoverished and chaotic countries. Only when Europe, America and the rest of the West shows its commitment to nondiscrimination, including at its borders, will the newcomers and visitors who chafe under this racist oppression end their protests.

    Let’s consider the Rotherham episode as a positive example. By offering the newcomers there the freedom to operate according to their own traditional foreign native values, were they able to make themselves truly at home in their new communities. Consider it a “diplomatic immunity” for all immigrant newcomers…

    /s

  116. not under “normal” circumstances.

  117. Ghana deported twenty percent of her population with practically no fuss. The Arab nations exiled over a million Jews with no repercussions. The Algerians did the same thing to almost the same number of French and were feted for it by many on the left. As happened to the British in Hong Kong. Of course you can do it. There are many other examples. It wouldn’t be my choice but denying the possibility of it is denying the existence of those millions of unloved victims.

    Of course there are many other ways of shedding citizens. Many are much kinder. Like paying people to leave. As in offering them money if they will leave and renounce their citizenship.

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  119. “Why must we be told our instincts are wrong?”

    like u sed: coz it suits their designs. the fact that they are so brazen about their wanting to remould the world as it suits them, disqualifies them from telling anybody what to do, think or feel. nowadays i just disqualify such people and their brands, they lose cred on the spot, and no longer need to be listened to. throw their bigotry back at them.

  120. We’ve now had fifteen years of increasingly repressive police state measures throughout the West in the name of “Security”.
    Yet somehow bombings seemingly happen at will.

    Can we please roll back the police state and try something that will work, like simple exclusion?

  121. they were allowed to do it coz they are not white. being white is the original sin. all the criticism, bigotry and bias leveled at whites, is really a form of inverted admiration. but whites are too stupid to realise this and follow the playbook devised by elites external to their ethnic, and enforced by their own co-opted elites.
    the practicality of shutting borders has just been demonstrated by Hungary, Austria and Macedonia. that’s what freaked out Merkel. we knew it from Israel anyway, but of course its mention in the media was verboten. it works and does not take very long or cost much to accomplish. repatriations also work and are also not as difficult as the media would like us to believe. but they would reverse the course of destruction devised for european nations, and that just cannot happen.

  122. IIRC the outgoing Swedish PM actually said something to the effect of “the immigrants are the true Swedes, not us” last year

  123. Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans.

    If a second or third generation European-born muslim ever won a Nobel, would they still call him a fellow European?

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  124. I remember reading Fjordman’s article about this years ago and thinking the guy is nuts. (He said that Muslims need to be expelled from Europe). But I actually think he’s right. Ethnic/religious cleansing has been the only successful strategy against a hostile subgroup within your population and societies post-ethnic cleansing are usually better for it. The best example I can think of are East and West Punjab – Sikhs and Hindus were expelled from West Punjab and Muslims were expelled from East Punjab in 1947 and it worked out pretty well for everybody.

    Of course I can’t imagine this happening in present-day Europe. But I honestly can’t understand their commitment to their Euro-style welfare state. Are they completely insane? They claim to need to import millions of working age immigrants to sustain their welfare state but most of the immigrants end up living off of welfare? What madness.

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  125. A great post, TangoMan. YouTube has a wonderful series of photos of the European peoples and the civilization they’ve created, under the rubric This Is Europa. A few feature Hitler–the great lover of Europe who set out to wipe out the Poles and enslave the Russians–but most are heartwarming. The Europeans in all their vibrant white diversity, from Russia to Scotland to Italy and Spain.

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    This is a good time to reflect on our extraordinary good fortune so far

    Relatives of people killed during 9/11, in San Bernardino, Fort Hood and by Tsarnaev brothers will likely disagree that we are very fortuitous.

    We simply have less Muslims per capita and somewhat less crazy Muslims. But it’s just a matter of time until they come full force. This country failed to fully assimilate blacks for many decades, there is even smaller chance that Muslims that manage to live next to other Muslims will assimilate.

  127. Of course I can’t imagine this happening in present-day Europe.

    There have been a lot of things I couldn’t imagine happening that have happened in my lifetime. I never would have imagined the USSR just dissolving overnight. I never imagined China would be where it is now. I never imagined we’d have 9-11 type attacks. I never imagined Europeans would become a minority in the USA. And I never imagined Europe would invite massive amounts of people from a cultural that it has been more or less at war with for a 1200 years.

    Nothing will surprise me now.

  128. I don’t know what evolutionary psychologists call this faculty(noticing?), but whatever it is, it’s gotten us this far, so why are progressives so bent on getting rid of it now?

    The “progressives” are bent on getting rid of us.

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    She’s trying to make them into Europeans to ignore the racial and ethnic differences of the suspects.

  130. I’ve never heard of white people referred to as “Africans” except as a qualifier referring to the specific part of the continent they’re from, i.e. South African. When talking about whites born in parts of Africa other than South Africa or Zimbabwe, people usually qualify the adjective of nationality, e.g. “a white Ghanaian”, etc.

  131. the stuff about “sustain their welfare state” is just bollocks for public consumption. how are guys living off the dole going to contribute to the pension fund? any moron who thinks for about 5 seconds can work that out. yet the media are so brazen that they keep throwing that vomit in our faces, hoping it will stick.
    the guys in the know have nefarious motives which cannot be aired publicly. since they also control the levers of the EU, they have a good head start. but history as a way of unexpectedly biting the bad guys in the ass.

  132. “If a second or third generation European-born muslim ever won a Nobel, would they still call him a fellow European?”

    Nope.

  133. Im almost a 4th generation white Zimbabwean , actually Im the first one in my family born in America . My great grandfather , grandfather and father were born there . I almost never see any white Zimbabweans or Rhodesians as it were here in the states . The only time I remember is when I was a teenager and my father , my brothers and I were eating in a restaurant , and an old fellow approached our table and told my father he recognized his accent and mentioned that they must be contemporaries . Thats the only time in my life I heard someone referred to as a contemporary . They had fantastic manners and mannerisms .

  134. Trump can talk like this within the framework of his business, where he is king.

    In gov he is going to have to deal with an army of naysayers, obstructionists, and saboteurs.
    But in principle he is right. He wants to get things done. And being a hands-on guy, he is not as mentally confused as the intellectual elite. In addition, most politicians are beholden to their donors, who want to game the system for their particular benefit. That hamstrings them, and is probs often the reason why solutions become so convoluted and ineffective. Trump is loyal only to himself and his electorate, and he is a doer, so by default he should be able to get more done.

  135. EU elites are trying to game this in order to speed up “integration” (aka centralisation) and undercut nativist revival. That is the direction her statement is aiming at.
    This convenient fact alone makes me scratch my head as to who is really behind all this.

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    Americans get Muslims by airplane. Europeans get Muslims by boat. That’s the difference. The former have to be wealthy enough to afford an airplane ticket. The latter only have to climb on a boat and hang on for the trip across the Mediterranean. The latter is cheaper, and poor Muslims prefer Europe to the US because if you fly on an airplane, you have to go through airport customs, possess a valid passport, and must have an American-issued visa explaining why you’re coming here and how long you plan to stay. This visa can be easily denied by the US government. There are just enough extra hoops to jump through if you’re a Muslim coming to the US that the US recieves better educated and wealthier Muslims. We used to get better quality immigrants before the 1980s, but our standards have gone downhill since then, mainly because of poverty-stricken Mexicans coming to the US akin to the poverty-stricken Muslims pouring into Europe.

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    It’s because every lefty who wants to be patted on the head and given status cookies needs their own platform to obtain the necessary visibility. The moment you’re writing 2 or 3 steps down for a rag with mouths above you that are bigger than your own, you get drowned out and ignored. Therefore, no cookies.

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    Tell that to Bill Ayers.

  139. There is a meme going around Twitter that immigrants founded 51% of startups. I don’t know if that includes donut shops and nail salons…I do know some SV cos were started by immigrants.

    For 20 years I worked for a software developer started by a Vietnamese math professor. So out of the whole dept he’s the one who was an entrepreneur, while the rest clung to their tenure and piddly publishing.

    Sometimes I wonder if there is something kinda lax and unambitious about comfortable Americans.

    And it’s still the old Asian/all other minorities difference.

  140. Having just returned from South Africa I can assure you that the drinking water remains safe in most major towns and cities.

  141. …poor Muslims prefer Europe to the US because if you fly on an airplane, you have to go through airport customs, possess a valid passport, and must have an American-issued visa explaining why you’re coming here and how long you plan to stay.

    A good point … and if you think about it, it gives even more weight to the urgency of fortifying the Mexican border.

  142. The modern European sayings have been updated. Here are a few new ones.

    Once blown up, twice shy.

    The bombings will continue until the morale improves.

  143. I’m gonna go ahead and call BS on the Mormon kid supposedly surviving the terrorist attacks in Boston, Paris, and Brussels.

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  144. Rather than pull an Alinsky tactic, why not try to actually refute Fish’s assertions?

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  145. “To keep Europe safe, we need to do what the safe Muslim countries do: apply sharia law to Muslims.”

    You and I both know it doesn’t work that way. The laws of the land apply to its citizens. Nice try.

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  146. Jeff, Ahmed needed to be a dark skinned Muslim boy to show the inherent racism of the Texans, Obama never would have become involved otherwise

  147. It is always interesting to see which articles The Grauniad chooses not to take comments on.

  148. Svigor, I agree, unless he was the fuse lighter and pretty quick on the get away.

  149. … Such calls speak to deep, intuitive fears that many of us feel in the wake of an attack like this one…

    Natural, but wrong.

    Steve,

    Now I understand your opposition to Daniel Kahneman’s book Thinking, Fast and Slow. It’s not so much that his work is scientifically flawed as that the concept of rejecting obvious answers is so easily misapplied. So, he’s done as much a disservice to public debate as a service.

  150. I’m kind of a counter-contrarian.

  151. Instead if somehow these people could be made to see that immigration is robbing the third world of its talent….

    That would be wonderful, but we can’t “make” anyone see anything because we don’t — and can never — have the apparatus of public opinion formation at our disposal.

  152. The Persians ( quite insistent in the distinction) that I know, Over Here, are in the main “deserters” from the Ayatollah’s insane, 3rd Battle of Ypres-style human wave attacks against Saddam. Sent out into the world by their prescient parents, often by means of the Iranian state’s armed forces ( bright boys get to train with the RAF, etc. then make themselves scarce, and marry local girls). Sound as a pound, for the most part. Probably an age-cohort thing.
    Artists, published poets, ( in both languages), lab asst’s. , medics, teachers etc, while getting on with it as taxidrivers and pizza wranglers until they got their tickets. And fanatical supporters of Celtic FC, Liverpool, the Arsenal, and lager swillers with the best of us. Unreligious, and well-read.
    The parents were invariably Mossadegh partisans. Remember him? Maggie Thatcher’s hubby had an interest in all that, at the time. It’s the reason that oil production was switched to the Gulf and Saudi. Ahh, history, history …

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  153. She also wrote an article explaining how denying women abortions is equivalent to forcing people to donate organs.

  154. Ghana deported twenty percent of her population with practically no fuss. The Arab nations exiled over a million Jews with no repercussions. The Algerians did the same thing to almost the same number of French and were feted for it by many on the left. As happened to the British in Hong Kong.

    Ah, not exactly, in Hong Kong. When HK’s sovereignty reverted to China in 1997, no Brits were deported. They simply lost their right to come fresh from the UK and stay here and work visa-free, as they had before 97. But those who were here long-term (as well as other expats like me) were granted what amounts to about 85% of citizenship if we’d been living here for seven years or more.

    Those are still the conditions here, BTW — if you can get a work visa in Hong Kong (most easily achieved by being sent over by an overseas company) and you work for seven years, you’re in, permanently, with minimal fuss — except if you’re a Filipino or Indonesian domestic worker; then no matter how long you work here, you gain no immigration traction whatsoever.

  155. Well color me woad-tinted. The last “Native Briton” I ever heard of was King Caractacus and
    “the fascinating witches
    Who put the scintillating stiches in the britches
    Of the boys who put the powder
    On the noses on the faces of the ladies
    Of the harem
    Of the court of King Caractacus”
    Although I suppose Calgacus the Caledonian might get a look-in.

  156. You can’t deport legal citizens. Please get real.

    We can’t deport anybody, but the people some of us would like to deport aren’t “legal citizens” in any meaningful sense, i.e., the people did not authorize our rulers to bring them here against our will. There is no moral impediment to repatriation. The only impediment is practical: our rulers prohibit deportation.

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  157. sounds like a blank slate adherent.

    No — a blank slate, on which others have written the ideas that serve their interests at the expense of his.

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  158. Forget about Belgium. The biggest cities there are already Muslim-occupied territory, and given an almost legendary cowardice and self-hatred of an average western European, the Islamic conquest is already baked in. It’s unstoppable.
    It’s time to save what can can still be saved – the US and Russia – as the last refuges of the fast disappearing white Christian man.

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  159. ” the Islamic conquest is already baked in”
    Oh my dear boy. Not at all, not at all. Fret not. You are simply witnessing the classic Problem>Reaction>Solution vector that Ye Olde Worlde elites invoke to save their own worthless hides. Seen it all before. If you’re truly concerned, I’ll stick around to explain. It’s rather long-winded and immensely tedious, but needs must, and all that.

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  160. Not sure I am all that interested in the opinion of anyone who calls me a “boy”, but hey, give it a shot. Why not?
    However, before you begin your “long-winded and immensely tedious”, geometry-based rationalizations, please keep in mind that what today is Turkey, was actually a densely-populated, wholly Christian land just 7 centuries ago. Same as Iraq and Syria.
    And all of those soon to be exterminated Christians were probably also calming themselves down with “Problem-Reaction-Solution” vectors on their way to their graves or exile. Some were surely saying that Turks and Arabs are too few to be concerned about, and everything is going to be OK.
    Many must have said that invaders could even be good workers and fine neighbors. Little did they know….

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  161. As long as deliberate discrimination against White men is legal, nothing is off the table. You can’t break the rules to stick it to native born Whites, and then invoke the rules to protect paper citizens.

  162. They not really citizens. These paper “citizens” are in fact, dyscivic.

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  163. I was living in Los Angeles when the Iranians came. Arrogant bastards. See how you like them playing bumper tag when you’re riding a motorcycle. Expel every one.

  164. Very much so – he openly talks about having been adopted and of having wonderful relations with his adoptiove parents – he lives the blank slate. Brought up Catholic, rebelled, returned to Christianity later, from what he says probably an evangelical church, the sort that play guitar music.

  165. It’s worse than that even because people like him believe that a world without European self-rule, or European majorities, is good for humanty; the ultimate matyrdom. But also the ultimate confused thinking since he clearly prefers European culture otherwise why bother to admonish Muslims for gender-segregation.

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    Why? The journalists are shills paid to promote the interests of their owners and their owners want open borders / cheap labor.

    Who is fooled? From the pov of the owners it doesn’t matter as long as *some* are. The aim is to keep the public as sedated as possible. If 50% fooled were fooled at the start that was good if as things get ever worse it drops to only 10% that’s still probably worth the money.

    Think of the media as more like one of Soros’ NGOs than actual media.

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    One of the things about the globalization scam is it’s made the globalists so rich they can buy everyone.

  168. “They not really citizens. These paper “citizens” are in fact, dyscivic.”

    I see you are channeling your inner Vox Day. Legal citizenship was conferred to those immigrants who underwent the process as specified by our laws, either by birth or by naturalization. There is nothing “dyscivic” about it.

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  169. “Who is fooled? From the pov of the owners it doesn’t matter as long as *some* are. The aim is to keep the public as sedated as possible.”

    So, if you’re not fooled, and a good deal of the public is fooled, don’t you have a duty to your fellow citizens to inform them that they are being hoodwinked?

    “Think of the media as more like one of Soros’ NGOs than actual media.”

    Please define “actual media”? What does it all entail? What does it look like?

  170. “The only impediment is practical: our rulers prohibit deportation.”

    Don’t we elect rulers? What impediment is there for YOU to run for political office at best or organize public resistance at worst to insist that deportation is an option?

    Moreover, the people did authorize rulers to enable immigrants to enter the country. It’s called Congress.

    Finally, how are some of these immigrants “not ‘legal citizens’ in any meaningful sense”? What criteria are you employing?

  171. Why does europe need to be racially european to be culturally european?

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  172. There is an expelled chance that madrids population will resemble that of Sydney in 20 Years time due to chinese immigration.

  173. The “progressives” are bent on getting rid of us.

    You nailed it.

  174. Some have:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1084513/posts

  175. Rather than pull an Alinsky tactic, why not try to actually refute Fish’s assertions?

    Why not? Perhaps because Fish’s assertion that Islam isn’t inherently violent is immaterial. Muslims are not us and therefore do not belong among us.

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  176. Robert Putnam’s research to the contrary.

    Why are you so tedious?

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  177. “Muslims are not us and therefore do not belong among us.”

    Depends if Muslims are American citizens. Then they are “like us”. And last time I checked, Muslims are humans, so they are “like us” in that regard.

    “Perhaps because Fish’s assertion that Islam isn’t inherently violent is immaterial.”

    Disqualify, disqualify, disqualify.

  178. Rather than name drop, why don’t you offer a summary of that research in the context of my statement. Too tedious for you?

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  179. The Turks big break through in Asia Minor came in the wake of the Battle of Manzikert where Turkish leader Alp Arslan shellacked the assembled forces of the Byzantine Empire under the personal command of Emperor Romanus Diogenes. Romanus was not a particularly great general, but what really did him in was that the reserves hung back at the critical moment, leaving the forces under Romanus to get slaughtered. The reserves were under the command of Andronicus Doukas, leader of a faction bitterly opposed to Romanus.

    We have lots of modern Andronici Doukes about these days.

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    That question only ever being asked of white ppl is why white ppl need to rearrange the planet to be more conducive to their long term survival.

  181. I’m grateful to Corvinus, Sick Duck, and a few others. Real time savers. Sometimes the number of comments at iSteve is overwhelming, and when I come to a string by those two I can just skip over them, knowing I’m missing nothing worthwhile.

  182. It’s much worse today. Euro elites are wholly traitorous, invasion is far more insidious since invaders are entering either legally or as “refugees”, and European demography is a delayed death sentence for the European civilization.
    I don’t see how Europe can be saved.

  183. That’s such a good question that it’s probably rhetorical so excuse my replying!

    In theory, it doesn’t. In practice, it’s just the way God designed evolution.

    One thing that happens in the UK nowadays is that people talk in misquoted idioms – ‘chopping and diving’, and many more I can’t call to mind but I notice them when I hear them. Idioms have a role to play in culture, they have meaning; historical and moral meaning. Nowadays people use them somewhat detached from their meaning but there is an understanding that using them demonstrates familiarity with the culture.

    When I worked in International Development I found it quite depressing to read applications for funding written with poor command of the English language but liberally sprinkled with phrases that populated ID research documents distributed by big donors, WB, DfID. I forget the words now but they were the ID buzz words of the time, ‘felt needs’ was one, which simply meant what ‘peasants’ felt they needed. I found it depressing that, as those applying for funding realised, they had to use those words to get the funding. If they expressed their ‘felt needs’ in their own way, the contract managers’ ‘felt needs’ wouldn’t be served!

    So, it is quite possible to mimic another’s culture. It is also possible that big cultural ideas can be appropriated from a culture; the combustion engine, glass-making, wine-making.

    But what do people do with their engines, glass and wine?

    ***

    Some Japanese genius is currently working on behavioural algorithms to make it possible to leave behind a life-like replica robot when a person dies.

    People who do people-tracking say that no person can escape their own behaviour patterns – because, the way people go about disguising their movements is itself a product of how the person behaves.

    Cultures are collections of related people. Culture can be learned but without the people who invented the culture – the people from whom the culture emanated as an unconscious behavioural pattern – what happens to the culture? Is it practiced in the same way? Why for instance did/does Christianity fracture into as many forms as there are cultures?

    Christian liberals have this idea that the new world will be populated by lots of mixed-ethnicity people who practice a culture which combines elements from component ethnicities coupled with a core set of ‘liberal values’. The unspoken idea being that ‘liberal values’ are similar to Steve’s ‘magic dirt’ – as if God threw out a handful of toffees crying ‘there’s some for everyone’ but a freak wind blew all the toffees into Europe (the Coriolis effect :)). But in truth ‘liberal values’ came out of Europeans(‘ culture).

    This is not about being supreme. All cultures are supreme in their own way and the new Europe will also be supreme in its own mixed-ethnic way and much of it will bear the hallmarks of European culture and history but it will nevertheless be its own culture. And it will be called European culture but, if such things are still allowed, scholars will analyse European culture in different periods and some scholars might ‘notice’ the biological, ie population, changes that occurred alongside the different cultural periods.

  184. Why does europe need to be racially european to be culturally european?

    Cf. Haïti, Surinam, Jamaica, Bahía…

  185. The laws of the land apply to its citizens.

    In over 200 years, Americans have never been able to figure out a gun law that can be applied equally well to blacks and whites. What makes you think “assimilation” will work any better with Mohammedans, who have a whole political philosophy that is alien to ours?

    They have their own law, so ours is meaningless to them. The sooner we realize this, the better.

    The laws of the land apply to its citizens.

    That constitutes white supremacism, in any jurisdiction where whites are the majority.

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  186. There is nothing “dyscivic” about it.

    Except betraying their fellow citizens in favor of their ethnic and religious loyalties. But given that you are an apologist for the same, it isn’t surprising that you would defend their perfidy.

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  187. We have lots of modern Andronici Doukes about these days.

    Corvinus thy father’s name is Andronici Doukes; thou art not his son and heir only, but his pupil and will’s executor.

  188. “Europe’s terrorist threat, while rising, has come overwhelmingly not from foreigners but from fellow Europeans.”

    should properly read:

    “Europe’s rising terrorist threat has come overwhelmingly not from native Europeans but from the children or grandchildren of Muslim immigrants (the great majority of whom do not consider themselves “Europeans”).

    The people are “fellow Europeans” only in a purely formalistic legal sense, and only because generations of stupid or malicious politicians have insisted on giving citizenship of their country, and the perks that go with it, away to basically anyone who asked for it.

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  189. Yes, well,

    ‘European’ is now a territorial label.

    Islam is by definition a territorial religion and Human Rights are by definition a form of Entitlement – thus literally the EU is handing out ‘entitlement deeds to European soil’ – for free!

    Perhaps the EU got the idea from the American homesteading land grabs of the 19thC?

  190. Because anyone informed and/or commenting about civil cohesion would have already read it. If you’re not among that group, it would come as no surprise.

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  191. “Because anyone informed and/or commenting about civil cohesion would have already read it. If you’re not among that group, it would come as no surprise.”

    It doesn’t work that way in discourse. You simply name dropped without offering a glimpse as to what area of the work the study focused on and your take on that research. Simply mentioning “civil cohesion” and proceeding to claim that only those informed ought to know about his findings is being intellectually disingenuous.

  192. “Except betraying their fellow citizens in favor of their ethnic and religious loyalties.”

    Not all citizens feel that way. Do not whites, for example, have the liberty to choose for themselves non-whites as neighbors? friends? allies? lovers? Do whites have the liberty to decide through majority rules laws that encourage non-whites to become citizens of the nation they reside it? Must whites today be completely united in their ethnic and religious proclivities?

  193. “In over 200 years, Americans have never been able to figure out a gun law that can be applied equally well to blacks and whites.”

    What are you even talking about? Typical vagueness on your part.

    “What makes you think “assimilation” will work any better with Mohammedans, who have a whole political philosophy that is alien to ours?”

    Today’s American Muslims have done quite well overall in integrating in our society.

    “They have their own law, so ours is meaningless to them. The sooner we realize this, the better.”

    Muslims who are American citizens follow our legal code.

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  194. Nobody pounds the table like ol’ Corvie!

  195. Another old joke: “Austrians are the smartest people in the world. They’ve persuaded the rest of us that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Austrian.”

  196. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"]
    says:
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    So, I guess this guy waited until after he beheaded his wife to apply for citizenship then:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html?_s=PM:CRIME

  197. […] is so stupid that he thinks the obvious course of action when stuck in a hole of terrorism is to keep digging? Or so in thrall to the false god of anti-Racism that he’d rather sacrifice his well being […]

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