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Trump’s biggest insult to immigrants in his State of the Union
The president pulled an “All Lives Matter” on DREAMers.
By Dara Lind [email protected] Jan 30, 2018, 11:48pm EST

… Playing on the use of “DREAMers” to refer to the generation of immigrants who came to the US as children, most of whom are now in their 20s and 30s, he smirked that “Americans are dreamers too.”

Tonight, I am extending an open hand to work with members of both parties — Democrats and Republicans — to protect our citizens of every background, color, religion, and creed. My duty, and the sacred duty of every elected official in this chamber, is to defend Americans — to protect their safety, their families, their communities, and their right to the American Dream. Because Americans are dreamers too.

Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them.

But it’s in fact something more pointed: an attempt to reclaim the label of “dreamer” from the group that has used it for the last 17 years.

The DREAM Act — an acronym that stands for Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors, if you’re wondering — was first introduced in the Senate in 2001 to give legal status to unauthorized immigrants who arrived to the United States as children. The act gave the name to that generation of immigrants — the DREAMers. That moniker is what Trump sought to reclaim tonight.

This isn’t the first time that Trump has drawn the connection between Americans being “dreamers” and DREAMers as a group whose status in the US is an urgent policy issue. Trump used the line on the campaign trail, when he capped pleas to turn attention to poverty at home with “let our children be dreamers, too.” And he’s done it as president, in his official White House statement after Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the end of the DACA program: “Above all else, we must remember that young Americans have dreams too.”

The DREAM Act has been around for 17 years. Congress never passed it. Instead, President Obama attempted to stick a band-aid on the problem by allowing DREAMers to get temporary work permits and deportation protections under DACA — protections that Trump is now slowly ripping away.

To say that “Americans are dreamers too” misses the point of all of that. It only makes sense under a misunderstanding of what DREAMers are actually asking for — a belief that they’re getting free college, for example — or under the zero-sum logic of status anxiety, in which any attention paid to a marginalized group must inherently mean that some other group must be losing ground.

For example, it’s just hateful paranoia for you Republicans to think that putting DACAites on the path to citizenship will eventually dilute your vote. Why do you think such bad thoughts? Are you bad?

It’s the same thing that happens when people respond to the slogan “Black Lives Matter” by saying that “All Lives Matter.” Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it. But to say it in this context, as a rebuttal, is to draw attention away from the discrepancy that the original statement was trying to point out: the reality that not everyone is equal, and furthermore, that the people speaking up lack some of the things that their critics take for granted. …

No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans. But to Donald Trump, the power to use positive language to label yourself isn’t a power that immigrants have either.

Trump has this crazy knack for getting his opponents so mad that they divulge their underlying thinking, which usually turns out to be an iSteve parody of them come to life.

 
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  1. I doubt the people at Vox would mind if American blacks called themselves dreamers.

    I have a dream!

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  2. Dear gosh, did Trump just get Vox to compare the DREAMers to Black Lives Matter?

    Seriously, this man is inside their heads and their OODA loops. He got Vox to compare illegal immigrants to a violent terrorist organization. And here’s the kicker : Vox thinks this comparison is helpful to the the DREAMers.

    Forget it, Trump just won the 2020 election tonight when he’s getting his enemies to commit errors like that, unforced, that are so mind-numbingly stupid Vox won’t realize it until it’s too late, likely months from now when the article is used by the alt-right for anti-amnesty purposes.

    Trump’s persuasion techniques are off the charts to get his opponents to do this. Scott Adams is a genius, he called this in 2015.

    Thank the heavens he’s on our side.

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    American interests are persuasive with Americans. It needn't be more complicated than that.
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  3. No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans.

    Dunno. Have you read David Brooks’ column about how American natives are the new East Germans, and that American prosperity is dependent on immigrant get-up-and-go?

    Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them.

    “[J]oin them?” Shouldn’t that be, “replace them?” Hoolian Castro seems quite happy about Latinx replacing Anglos in Texas….

    or under the zero-sum logic of status anxiety, in which any attention paid to a marginalized group must inherently mean that some other group must be losing ground.

    Uh, “zero-sum logic.” Is that what Blacks are using when they complain that Black performers are not winning every Grammy?

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I would be interested in reading your analysis of the Brooks column.
    , @guest
    I think you mean immigrant tolerance for low wages and substandard civilization. (Or "civilization.")
    , @guest
    This zero-sum stuff used to be a conservative/neocon talking point about identity politics, by the way.

    When lefties use it, they're talking about society as they understand it,* which is nakedly Who/Whom, with a class system based on Pokemon Points. What angers them about the Republican position is the wrong people come out on top. That's all.

    *They reveal themselves that way habitually. Freud called it projection.

    It's not that the right is more objective or better able to put itself in other people's heads. They aren't always projecting like the left because growing up amidst a leftist-dominated mainstream culture gave them the twin traits of hiding their true thoughts and being better able to think like the enemy. The left used to have the latter trait, before they took over the culture.

    , @Anonymous
    Could be my imagination but I think Brooks is trying less with each new year. He always had the cloying fireside-chat shtick; his attempts at pundit-dork humor were usually strained; but the recourse to dim-bulb specious reasoning must herald imminent bloviation collapse. Obviously. whatever not-so-superZIPs across the fruited plain are cursedly unfashionable, desolate, white, etc. will not have many immigrants about, because why would the immigrants want to move there...

    So anyway: Brooks's critical trendy cityscape is the sociological egg brought to market by the benevolent Immigration Chicken; the analogy to East Germany is pure WTFery; and he also seems to want to crap on his own floor considering that most pages of Bobos In Paradise were taken up with crushing hard on the marvyness of Vermont, Seattle, PDX, and other whitopic joints mysteriously out of the way of the Huddled Masses Tractor Beam. You could tag the column under "Envibrantization Manifestoes" and he probably unironically would take that for cool expert jargon

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  4. Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on “the American Dream,” which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.

    But you knew that, and are just talking nonsense to keep the demons at bay.

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    Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on “the American Dream,” which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.
     
    Given that the "American Dream" is something that has been part of our culture for at least a century, it would make sense that Americans are the dreamers since they were/are pursuing the American Dream. I really like how Trump has taken this term back for its rightful owners. I'm already seeing a lot of social media activity with 'Americans are dreamers' type memes.

    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped 'fake news' on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump's jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.
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  5. @syonredux

    No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans.
     
    Dunno. Have you read David Brooks' column about how American natives are the new East Germans, and that American prosperity is dependent on immigrant get-up-and-go?

    Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them.
     
    "[J]oin them?" Shouldn't that be, "replace them?" Hoolian Castro seems quite happy about Latinx replacing Anglos in Texas....

    or under the zero-sum logic of status anxiety, in which any attention paid to a marginalized group must inherently mean that some other group must be losing ground.

     

    Uh, "zero-sum logic." Is that what Blacks are using when they complain that Black performers are not winning every Grammy?

    I would be interested in reading your analysis of the Brooks column.

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  6. “But to say it in this context, as a rebuttal, is to draw attention away from…”

    Duh. And so what? We want to draw attention away from anathemic movements with tendentious slogans.

    “the reality that not everyone is equal”

    Ha! That’s the last thing BLM or anyone on the left wants to admit.

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  7. @whorefinder
    Dear gosh, did Trump just get Vox to compare the DREAMers to Black Lives Matter?

    Seriously, this man is inside their heads and their OODA loops. He got Vox to compare illegal immigrants to a violent terrorist organization. And here's the kicker : Vox thinks this comparison is helpful to the the DREAMers.

    Forget it, Trump just won the 2020 election tonight when he's getting his enemies to commit errors like that, unforced, that are so mind-numbingly stupid Vox won't realize it until it's too late, likely months from now when the article is used by the alt-right for anti-amnesty purposes.

    Trump's persuasion techniques are off the charts to get his opponents to do this. Scott Adams is a genius, he called this in 2015.

    Thank the heavens he's on our side.

    American interests are persuasive with Americans. It needn’t be more complicated than that.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Well, there's your problem.

    Making things needlessly talmudically complicated is the whole point. Sowing confusion. And finding work out of college when you don't really know how to do anything...and, well, let's just say you're practicing Sailer's First Law of Female Journalism.

    https://www.vox.com/authors/dara-lind

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/VXEQhHDrDx6gwAKI70Txoz1bWgI=/512x512/cdn.vox-cdn.com/author_profile_images/14479/d_lind_headshot.0.jpg

    Back when Yalies were having hysterics over an e-mail about Halloween costumes, Miz Lind opined that Nicholas Christakis/Yale was in the wrong and Screeching Girl was right because college is home, and home is a place where nobody ever gets their feelz hurted.

    A lawyer buddy sent me this a couple of years ago:

    https://blog.simplejustice.us/2015/11/11/dara-lind-yale-promised-paradise/
    , @ben tillman
    Indeed.
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  8. Check out the photo of the Dreamers turning their back on the television. They are all obese, Mayan-headed, 5-foot-tall 40-year-olds. Are those typical Dreamers? I thought that they were mostly law school students and physics Ph.D.s. These guys and gals don’t look fit enough to stand loiter at a Home Depot or vaccum a living room.

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    We are becoming a nation of Dollar Store checkout clerks.
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  9. Almost as good was the blink-and-you’d-miss-it rebranding of “DREAMers” as “alien minors,” the “AM” in DREAM. Stephen Miller’s work I’m sure.

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  10. @syonredux

    No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans.
     
    Dunno. Have you read David Brooks' column about how American natives are the new East Germans, and that American prosperity is dependent on immigrant get-up-and-go?

    Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them.
     
    "[J]oin them?" Shouldn't that be, "replace them?" Hoolian Castro seems quite happy about Latinx replacing Anglos in Texas....

    or under the zero-sum logic of status anxiety, in which any attention paid to a marginalized group must inherently mean that some other group must be losing ground.

     

    Uh, "zero-sum logic." Is that what Blacks are using when they complain that Black performers are not winning every Grammy?

    I think you mean immigrant tolerance for low wages and substandard civilization. (Or “civilization.”)

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  11. They should be called “Reamers”, because they’re going to ream America another a**hole.

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  12. @syonredux

    No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans.
     
    Dunno. Have you read David Brooks' column about how American natives are the new East Germans, and that American prosperity is dependent on immigrant get-up-and-go?

    Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them.
     
    "[J]oin them?" Shouldn't that be, "replace them?" Hoolian Castro seems quite happy about Latinx replacing Anglos in Texas....

    or under the zero-sum logic of status anxiety, in which any attention paid to a marginalized group must inherently mean that some other group must be losing ground.

     

    Uh, "zero-sum logic." Is that what Blacks are using when they complain that Black performers are not winning every Grammy?

    This zero-sum stuff used to be a conservative/neocon talking point about identity politics, by the way.

    When lefties use it, they’re talking about society as they understand it,* which is nakedly Who/Whom, with a class system based on Pokemon Points. What angers them about the Republican position is the wrong people come out on top. That’s all.

    *They reveal themselves that way habitually. Freud called it projection.

    It’s not that the right is more objective or better able to put itself in other people’s heads. They aren’t always projecting like the left because growing up amidst a leftist-dominated mainstream culture gave them the twin traits of hiding their true thoughts and being better able to think like the enemy. The left used to have the latter trait, before they took over the culture.

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    *They reveal themselves that way habitually. Freud called it projection.
     
    Vox's 3rd law of SJWs.
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  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans.

    When I look at the many H-1B visa holders employed in good jobs in my city, using the H-1B salary database that someone linked to on another thread, it makes me think that immigrants are being allowed to steal jobs, and dreams, from Americans. Are all of those analyst and assistant professor jobs, etc. really jobs that Americans won’t – or can’t – do?

    http://h1bdata.info (H-1B Salary Database)

    Dreaming of a sane American immigration policy … an impossible dream?

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  14. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Joe Kennedy spoke at my high school graduation. The theme of his speech was don’t let anyone tell you you’re to young to do something.

    For those of you who don’t know Massachusetts’ fourth congressional district is famously gerrymandered so that you have leafy Boston suburbs in the north, which vote democratic, and then red outer suburbs, and it goes all the way to the coast where there historically was a lot of working class dem support. Barney Frank who held the seat before Kennedy tried to push a lot of policies fishermen like.

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    Barney Frank who held the seat before Kennedy tried to push a lot of policies fishermen like.
     
    Frank was amazing at getting and holding that seat despite all his scandals and his queerness. Many of those old-school Portuguese in Fall River would have never dreamed of voting for such a miserable little poof but because Barney always brought home the graft they kept re-installing him.

    If you ever wonder about how some incompetent or corrupt pol keeps getting reelected, rest assured he's lining the right pockets during each term.

    , @snorlax

    and it goes all the way to the coast where there historically was a lot of working class dem support.
     
    In the most recent redistricting Fall River and New Bedford were moved to the 9th (South Shore, Cape and Islands) district to make it unwinnable for Republicans.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Joe Kennedy spoke at my high school graduation. The theme of his speech was don’t let anyone tell you you’re to young to do something.
     
    If Michael Kennedy hadn't skiied into a tree while playing football, he could have given a speech on the theme: don't let anyone tell you that the babysitter is too young for you to do.
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  15. @guest
    This zero-sum stuff used to be a conservative/neocon talking point about identity politics, by the way.

    When lefties use it, they're talking about society as they understand it,* which is nakedly Who/Whom, with a class system based on Pokemon Points. What angers them about the Republican position is the wrong people come out on top. That's all.

    *They reveal themselves that way habitually. Freud called it projection.

    It's not that the right is more objective or better able to put itself in other people's heads. They aren't always projecting like the left because growing up amidst a leftist-dominated mainstream culture gave them the twin traits of hiding their true thoughts and being better able to think like the enemy. The left used to have the latter trait, before they took over the culture.

    *They reveal themselves that way habitually. Freud called it projection.

    Vox’s 3rd law of SJWs.

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  16. @Anon
    Joe Kennedy spoke at my high school graduation. The theme of his speech was don't let anyone tell you you're to young to do something.

    For those of you who don't know Massachusetts' fourth congressional district is famously gerrymandered so that you have leafy Boston suburbs in the north, which vote democratic, and then red outer suburbs, and it goes all the way to the coast where there historically was a lot of working class dem support. Barney Frank who held the seat before Kennedy tried to push a lot of policies fishermen like.

    Barney Frank who held the seat before Kennedy tried to push a lot of policies fishermen like.

    Frank was amazing at getting and holding that seat despite all his scandals and his queerness. Many of those old-school Portuguese in Fall River would have never dreamed of voting for such a miserable little poof but because Barney always brought home the graft they kept re-installing him.

    If you ever wonder about how some incompetent or corrupt pol keeps getting reelected, rest assured he’s lining the right pockets during each term.

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  17. In case you guys didn’t notice it, nobody really has yet, so no harm, no foul, Trump in his SOTU utterly rejected the propositional nation notion in his talk of America being a product of its people, whoever they may be at various points in history.

    He used the relatively unknown lady liberty on the top of the Capitol Dome instead of the Statue of Liberty to keep things clean and uniting. I say Stephen Miller had a yuuge hand in this part of the speech and it was a truly inspired approach.

    So, Trump got elected, has turned around much in America already, has the swamp creatures on the run, and all the good people of America are on the verge of a spiritual and moral rebirth.

    These are all things I predicted very early on when none seemed likely.

    My work here is done, its been real guys….

    Oh yeah, one more, for your own sakes, please ditch the WN stuff, it has no more place in the emerging America than does the things you guys detest from the left.

    Au revoir.

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    So, Trump got elected, has turned around much in America already, has the swamp creatures on the run, and all the good people of America are on the verge of a spiritual and moral rebirth.

    Do you see much evidence of that? What I see is that swamp has given Trump a free hand to deport some immigrants to placate his base, in exchange for continuing bog standard GOP tax and industrial policies. The rich get huge tax breaks, the extraction industries get subsidies, the white working and middle class continues to get screwed. Is it better than what Clinton was offering the white working class? Maybe. Health care will be more expensive but reducing immigration may result in some wage increases and stronger communities.
    , @Opinionator
    Why are you leaving?
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    My work here is done
     
    Nope, that is what a slacker does. But hey, I wish you well.
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  18. I can’t link images directly but you have to see this OP image (the first image in the thread, you’ll know it right away) before the thread dies. Bonus: all three comparison images are from the same director, but the Schumer pic fits in flawlessly.

    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/158655090

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    http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1517379559721.jpg
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    You can post images.

    1. On the image's original page, right-click it, and choose 'Open image in a new tab'. The image will appear by itself in this new tab.

    2. Copy the URL for the new image-only tab from the address bar.

    3. Paste the URL in your iSteve post.

    That's it -- and it works with videos, too.

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  19. @guest
    Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on "the American Dream," which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.

    But you knew that, and are just talking nonsense to keep the demons at bay.

    Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on “the American Dream,” which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.

    Given that the “American Dream” is something that has been part of our culture for at least a century, it would make sense that Americans are the dreamers since they were/are pursuing the American Dream. I really like how Trump has taken this term back for its rightful owners. I’m already seeing a lot of social media activity with ‘Americans are dreamers’ type memes.

    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped ‘fake news’ on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump’s jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.

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    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped ‘fake news’ on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump’s jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.
     
    Or the way he bounced the patented sexist Republican male death ray off his chest to delightfully ricochet among the crowds at Mann’s Chinese theater, frying Louis CK, James Franco, etc, etc.

    Trump is the greatest warlock of our age.
    , @Olorin
    Last night Chez Olorin it was observed by all that GEOTUS said not one word about "fake news" in last night's speech.

    Sometimes the most significant utterances are the ones withheld.

    , @David B
    "Fake News" was a creation of the Washington Post. They used the term in a few front page articles in the days following the election and every MSM outlet followed. Their examples of fake news peddlers were underwhelming and I had not heard of any of outlets that "swung" the election to Trump.
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  20. For example, it’s just hateful paranoia for you Republicans to think that putting DACAites on the path to citizenship will eventually dilute your vote.

    It’s the Big Gerrymander. Someone should start a meme series showing the Texas 12th Congressional district (or whatever) starting with a small square of land in the Dallas suburbs, then sprouting a hair-thin land bridge heading south to the Rio Grande, which then explodes to encompass the whole of Mexico.

    BTW, Trump should keep hammering the point, in his best half-sincere/half-concern troll, “pro-tip y’all” manner, that open borders is the new way to disenfranchise the black vote, which will go from de facto owning one of the two major political parties to being completely irrelevant in about 1.5 generations at this rate.

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  21. You and your country are “bygone” whitey — like kids, you are best seen, not heard — just pay your taxes and STFU.

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    Yeah, Joy is really saying whitey and his values are so yesterday. Black and brown dysfunction and racial chauvinism is the wave of the future, so whitey better resign himself to it.
    , @eah
    It says they are race conscious -- so it's long past time for Whites to be unashamedly race conscious too.

    Boomer cannot fathom why blacks and hispanics have a shared racial identity that is not reducible to economic statistics.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU138oNUMAAeWtx.jpg
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  22. @istevefan

    Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on “the American Dream,” which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.
     
    Given that the "American Dream" is something that has been part of our culture for at least a century, it would make sense that Americans are the dreamers since they were/are pursuing the American Dream. I really like how Trump has taken this term back for its rightful owners. I'm already seeing a lot of social media activity with 'Americans are dreamers' type memes.

    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped 'fake news' on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump's jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.

    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped ‘fake news’ on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump’s jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.

    Or the way he bounced the patented sexist Republican male death ray off his chest to delightfully ricochet among the crowds at Mann’s Chinese theater, frying Louis CK, James Franco, etc, etc.

    Trump is the greatest warlock of our age.

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  23. Not well thought through.

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    The media is fawning all over Kennedy, of course, but can they really believe their base would get behind a redheaded straight white man?
    , @larry lurker
    Tweet is spot on - that was so stupid. I get that he wants to show off his Spanish, but there's a time and a place!
    , @ben tillman
    Hilarious.
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  24. Dems are jumping the line to oppose Trump’s DACA compromise. And if it passes.those ingrates will make Americans regret it. Not to mention the fact that a lot of them won’t qualify. They hate paperwork, after all.

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    • Replies: @guest
    "They hate paperwork, after all"

    People will do that for you. The left is infinitely more interested in lawfare.
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  25. Too true.

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  26. @Anon
    Joe Kennedy spoke at my high school graduation. The theme of his speech was don't let anyone tell you you're to young to do something.

    For those of you who don't know Massachusetts' fourth congressional district is famously gerrymandered so that you have leafy Boston suburbs in the north, which vote democratic, and then red outer suburbs, and it goes all the way to the coast where there historically was a lot of working class dem support. Barney Frank who held the seat before Kennedy tried to push a lot of policies fishermen like.

    and it goes all the way to the coast where there historically was a lot of working class dem support.

    In the most recent redistricting Fall River and New Bedford were moved to the 9th (South Shore, Cape and Islands) district to make it unwinnable for Republicans.

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  27. @Anon
    Joe Kennedy spoke at my high school graduation. The theme of his speech was don't let anyone tell you you're to young to do something.

    For those of you who don't know Massachusetts' fourth congressional district is famously gerrymandered so that you have leafy Boston suburbs in the north, which vote democratic, and then red outer suburbs, and it goes all the way to the coast where there historically was a lot of working class dem support. Barney Frank who held the seat before Kennedy tried to push a lot of policies fishermen like.

    Joe Kennedy spoke at my high school graduation. The theme of his speech was don’t let anyone tell you you’re to young to do something.

    If Michael Kennedy hadn’t skiied into a tree while playing football, he could have given a speech on the theme: don’t let anyone tell you that the babysitter is too young for you to do.

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  28. @J.Ross
    I can't link images directly but you have to see this OP image (the first image in the thread, you'll know it right away) before the thread dies. Bonus: all three comparison images are from the same director, but the Schumer pic fits in flawlessly.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/158655090

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    I can't link images directly but you have to see this OP image (the first image in the thread, you'll know it right away) before the thread dies. Bonus: all three comparison images are from the same director, but the Schumer pic fits in flawlessly.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/158655090

    You can post images.

    1. On the image’s original page, right-click it, and choose ‘Open image in a new tab’. The image will appear by itself in this new tab.

    2. Copy the URL for the new image-only tab from the address bar.

    3. Paste the URL in your iSteve post.

    That’s it — and it works with videos, too.

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  30. “All Lives Matter.” Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it. But to say it in this context, as a rebuttal, is to draw attention away from the discrepancy that the original statement was trying to point out: the reality that not everyone is equal….

    Heh. The reality that not everyone is equal – in intelligence, diligence, conscientiousness, ability, beauty, creativity, orderliness, patience, self-control, civility, etc.; not in the Jeffersonian sense of equality before the law – is exactly what the Negroes and their leftist handlers incessantly and vociferously deny!

    Chutzpah.

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    > “'All Lives Matter.' Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it."

    While Steve laments that "nobody remembers nothin'" in the Current Year, Vox celebrates it.

    Here's the headline of a 2015 Bezos Post article, O’Malley booed as he points out: ‘White lives matter. All lives matter.’ It comes with a nice picture of erstwhile presidential candidate Martin O'Malley dutifully clapping as Tia Oso, the national coordinator for the Black Immigration Network, disputes his "All Lives Matter" statement.

    Also in the sleight-of-hand dept., Vox's Dara Lind wrote,

    To say that “Americans are dreamers too” misses the point of all of that. It only makes sense under a misunderstanding of what DREAMers are actually asking for — a belief that they’re getting free college, for example...
     
    As Ms. Lind surely knows, in-state tuition subsidies is the relevant Dreamer alien minor issue here.
    , @guest
    They're so far down the road of conditioned ideological reflexes that they forget to spell things out. The writer--without looking I'm going to assume it's female--knows that baring unjust (un-socially just, that is) interference, everyone *should* be equal. Finding inequality, she assumes it has been caused by evil. Because it can't be nature's fault.

    Because this...hissy fit is from Vox, it doesn't much matter. If she were writing for the general public, she would be sure to spell things out better. If only by phrasing it as: "the reality that we're failing the ideal of equality," or even just: "the reality that some are treated unequally."
    , @denjae

    " The reality that not everyone is equal – in intelligence, diligence, conscientiousness, ability, beauty, creativity, orderliness, patience, self-control, civility, etc.; . ."
     

    Voila! Every one is EQUAL . . . on the basis that every one is DIFFERENT.

    Cuts to the quick when you further advise that not every "difference" is necessarily acceptable to yourself or toothers.

    (See, for example, James Hillman, The Soul's Code, for a one-page expansion.)

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  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    No one has ever told those Americans that they have no right to dream. And most likely, few of them, when they hear the term “DREAMers,” sees it as immigrants stealing dreams from native-born Americans.
     
    Dunno. Have you read David Brooks' column about how American natives are the new East Germans, and that American prosperity is dependent on immigrant get-up-and-go?

    Miss that reference, and this passage is just standard Trumpian “America First” boilerplate: the idea that America has put immigrants ahead of its own citizens, and that Trump is showing love for Americans by calling for fewer immigrants to be allowed to join them.
     
    "[J]oin them?" Shouldn't that be, "replace them?" Hoolian Castro seems quite happy about Latinx replacing Anglos in Texas....

    or under the zero-sum logic of status anxiety, in which any attention paid to a marginalized group must inherently mean that some other group must be losing ground.

     

    Uh, "zero-sum logic." Is that what Blacks are using when they complain that Black performers are not winning every Grammy?

    Could be my imagination but I think Brooks is trying less with each new year. He always had the cloying fireside-chat shtick; his attempts at pundit-dork humor were usually strained; but the recourse to dim-bulb specious reasoning must herald imminent bloviation collapse. Obviously. whatever not-so-superZIPs across the fruited plain are cursedly unfashionable, desolate, white, etc. will not have many immigrants about, because why would the immigrants want to move there…

    So anyway: Brooks’s critical trendy cityscape is the sociological egg brought to market by the benevolent Immigration Chicken; the analogy to East Germany is pure WTFery; and he also seems to want to crap on his own floor considering that most pages of Bobos In Paradise were taken up with crushing hard on the marvyness of Vermont, Seattle, PDX, and other whitopic joints mysteriously out of the way of the Huddled Masses Tractor Beam. You could tag the column under “Envibrantization Manifestoes” and he probably unironically would take that for cool expert jargon

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  32. The word “dream” is an English word – a very old English word, in fact. It is quite similar to its German translation (traum) as well as its Frisian, Saxon, and Norse counterparts. IOW, it’s very similar to the words used by the people to which the English people are most closely related.

    The word for dream in Spanish is sueno. In French the word is reve. They aren’t remotely similar to the English word.

    So not only are the illegal alien so-called “dreamers” appropriating our land and our history – they are appropriating our language, too.

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    "Dream" is cognate to Spanish "dormir" — to sleep.
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  33. (((Dara Lind)))

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    I like this one better:

    https://twitter.com/DLind/status/456142639218585602
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  34. Beyond what has been mentioned already, Dara Lind adds more stupidity to the discussion by mixing two metaphors about band-aids.

    “Putting a band-aid on it” means going for some short-term, half-assed fix, rather than doing a good job to fix a problem. It could be fixed either way here, and you know which way I say, but that should be better than just depending on the band-aid. Let’s make it comprehensive – send them all home along with possibly 30,000,000 others … do it right this time.

    “Ripping off the band-aid” is a different thing. The idea is that it’s good to end something quickly and get the pain over quickly rather than trying to ease off the band-aid. That’s my plan too – send them all home along with. possibly 30,000,000 others … quickly to get the pain over with.

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  35. Maybe Miss Lind is right, as I can’t recall anyone using the word “dream” very much back in the day, with the exception of the Rev. MD, PhD, JD, RN Martin King, who most likely stole it from the Everly Brothers:

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  36. @The Last Real Calvinist
    You can post images.

    1. On the image's original page, right-click it, and choose 'Open image in a new tab'. The image will appear by itself in this new tab.

    2. Copy the URL for the new image-only tab from the address bar.

    3. Paste the URL in your iSteve post.

    That's it -- and it works with videos, too.

    Some sites interfere with this because they want to be able to control the attention they get. Pinterest will let you post images, 4chan will not.

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    Right -- the image was up here for a few hours, but it's been hunted down and removed.
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  37. @eah
    (((Dara Lind)))

    https://twitter.com/dlind/status/585842336598458369

    I like this one better:

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    Thanks -- she's great -- just the kind whose views you want setting the future direction of America.

    "So, why did you become a white nationalist?"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHR9zxkUIAAYVKX.jpg
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  38. Trump just planted the American flag on Immigration Hill and dared the Dems to take that hill. Unlike Pork Chop Hill, this one has a real strategic value to the American people.

    If he really wanted to get into their heads, he would find some way of appropriating the #resistance tag and use it against them.

    #ResistTheInvasion

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  39. anon • Disclaimer says:

    But it’s in fact something more pointed: an attempt to reclaim the label of “dreamer” from the group that has used it for the last 17 years.

    Yeah. No shit, Sherlock.

    I remember how Vox’s old slogan was something about “explaining the news”. Who are they explaining it to, that didn’t figure that out on their own?

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  40. @J.Ross
    Some sites interfere with this because they want to be able to control the attention they get. Pinterest will let you post images, 4chan will not.

    Right — the image was up here for a few hours, but it’s been hunted down and removed.

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  42. @anon
    I like this one better:

    https://twitter.com/DLind/status/456142639218585602

    Thanks — she’s great — just the kind whose views you want setting the future direction of America.

    “So, why did you become a white nationalist?”

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  43. @eah
    Not well thought through.

    https://twitter.com/ChuckLane1/status/958548856664444933

    The media is fawning all over Kennedy, of course, but can they really believe their base would get behind a redheaded straight white man?

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    He's just not a great speaker either. I mean that as in, not only is he not very compelling, but he has bad habits like letting his volume drop off at the ends of sentences. Not ready for prime time.
    , @EdwardM
    Who better to lecture flyover America about the evils of unearned entrenched white privilege than a Kennedy?
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  44. @anonguy
    In case you guys didn't notice it, nobody really has yet, so no harm, no foul, Trump in his SOTU utterly rejected the propositional nation notion in his talk of America being a product of its people, whoever they may be at various points in history.

    He used the relatively unknown lady liberty on the top of the Capitol Dome instead of the Statue of Liberty to keep things clean and uniting. I say Stephen Miller had a yuuge hand in this part of the speech and it was a truly inspired approach.

    So, Trump got elected, has turned around much in America already, has the swamp creatures on the run, and all the good people of America are on the verge of a spiritual and moral rebirth.

    These are all things I predicted very early on when none seemed likely.

    My work here is done, its been real guys....

    Oh yeah, one more, for your own sakes, please ditch the WN stuff, it has no more place in the emerging America than does the things you guys detest from the left.

    Au revoir.

    So, Trump got elected, has turned around much in America already, has the swamp creatures on the run, and all the good people of America are on the verge of a spiritual and moral rebirth.

    Do you see much evidence of that? What I see is that swamp has given Trump a free hand to deport some immigrants to placate his base, in exchange for continuing bog standard GOP tax and industrial policies. The rich get huge tax breaks, the extraction industries get subsidies, the white working and middle class continues to get screwed. Is it better than what Clinton was offering the white working class? Maybe. Health care will be more expensive but reducing immigration may result in some wage increases and stronger communities.

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  45. @eah
    Not well thought through.

    https://twitter.com/ChuckLane1/status/958548856664444933

    Tweet is spot on – that was so stupid. I get that he wants to show off his Spanish, but there’s a time and a place!

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  46. @eah
    You and your country are "bygone" whitey -- like kids, you are best seen, not heard -- just pay your taxes and STFU.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1ndmnUQAEf8Kh.jpg

    Yeah, Joy is really saying whitey and his values are so yesterday. Black and brown dysfunction and racial chauvinism is the wave of the future, so whitey better resign himself to it.

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  47. @anonguy
    In case you guys didn't notice it, nobody really has yet, so no harm, no foul, Trump in his SOTU utterly rejected the propositional nation notion in his talk of America being a product of its people, whoever they may be at various points in history.

    He used the relatively unknown lady liberty on the top of the Capitol Dome instead of the Statue of Liberty to keep things clean and uniting. I say Stephen Miller had a yuuge hand in this part of the speech and it was a truly inspired approach.

    So, Trump got elected, has turned around much in America already, has the swamp creatures on the run, and all the good people of America are on the verge of a spiritual and moral rebirth.

    These are all things I predicted very early on when none seemed likely.

    My work here is done, its been real guys....

    Oh yeah, one more, for your own sakes, please ditch the WN stuff, it has no more place in the emerging America than does the things you guys detest from the left.

    Au revoir.

    Why are you leaving?

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  48. @eah
    You and your country are "bygone" whitey -- like kids, you are best seen, not heard -- just pay your taxes and STFU.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1ndmnUQAEf8Kh.jpg

    It says they are race conscious — so it’s long past time for Whites to be unashamedly race conscious too.

    Boomer cannot fathom why blacks and hispanics have a shared racial identity that is not reducible to economic statistics.

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  49. @Autochthon

    “All Lives Matter.” Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it. But to say it in this context, as a rebuttal, is to draw attention away from the discrepancy that the original statement was trying to point out: the reality that not everyone is equal....
     
    Heh. The reality that not everyone is equal – in intelligence, diligence, conscientiousness, ability, beauty, creativity, orderliness, patience, self-control, civility, etc.; not in the Jeffersonian sense of equality before the law – is exactly what the Negroes and their leftist handlers incessantly and vociferously deny!

    Chutzpah.

    > “’All Lives Matter.’ Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it.

    While Steve laments that “nobody remembers nothin’” in the Current Year, Vox celebrates it.

    Here’s the headline of a 2015 Bezos Post article, O’Malley booed as he points out: ‘White lives matter. All lives matter.’ It comes with a nice picture of erstwhile presidential candidate Martin O’Malley dutifully clapping as Tia Oso, the national coordinator for the Black Immigration Network, disputes his “All Lives Matter” statement.

    Also in the sleight-of-hand dept., Vox’s Dara Lind wrote,

    To say that “Americans are dreamers too” misses the point of all of that. It only makes sense under a misunderstanding of what DREAMers are actually asking for — a belief that they’re getting free college, for example…

    As Ms. Lind surely knows, in-state tuition subsidies is the relevant Dreamer alien minor issue here.

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    What the Democrats no longer have the political capacity to understand is that, while their objections to "All Lives Matter" and to "Americans are Dreamers too" work great with their base, who're already sold on the white privilege/guilt BS, it's anathema to the larger population.

    Had they any remaining political savvy, they'd put a thousand miles between themselves and these objections.

    But they don't -- not at least at the national level, where they need it most. As of now, all of their potential candidates for President will be spouting this crazy stuff.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    The thing about Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter is that the police shooting civilians who arguably didn't do anything wrong is indeed a problem, and persons of all races are victims of this. One could ascribe all kinds of causes -- the cynicism and justified fear of police patrolling underclass neighborhoods, the drug war, the post-911 militarization of the police, inadequate police training, that policing attracts control freaks, or whatever theory.

    In some manner of hypothetical world where people acted rationally, Black Lives Matter could admit All Lives Matter into their coalition, a joining forces of the APLC and the Reason Foundation. But no. Firstly, they pick Michael Brown as their martyr, a narrative built on lies on many levels, when there are genuine cases that are much less publicized. Secondly, the minute one said "All Lives Matter" one was accused of crimethink. That the fascist police are singling out blacks and not acting unlawfully with anyone else is central to the movement. Ms. Damond was never remembered let alone forgotten.
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  50. @ic1000
    > “'All Lives Matter.' Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it."

    While Steve laments that "nobody remembers nothin'" in the Current Year, Vox celebrates it.

    Here's the headline of a 2015 Bezos Post article, O’Malley booed as he points out: ‘White lives matter. All lives matter.’ It comes with a nice picture of erstwhile presidential candidate Martin O'Malley dutifully clapping as Tia Oso, the national coordinator for the Black Immigration Network, disputes his "All Lives Matter" statement.

    Also in the sleight-of-hand dept., Vox's Dara Lind wrote,

    To say that “Americans are dreamers too” misses the point of all of that. It only makes sense under a misunderstanding of what DREAMers are actually asking for — a belief that they’re getting free college, for example...
     
    As Ms. Lind surely knows, in-state tuition subsidies is the relevant Dreamer alien minor issue here.

    What the Democrats no longer have the political capacity to understand is that, while their objections to “All Lives Matter” and to “Americans are Dreamers too” work great with their base, who’re already sold on the white privilege/guilt BS, it’s anathema to the larger population.

    Had they any remaining political savvy, they’d put a thousand miles between themselves and these objections.

    But they don’t — not at least at the national level, where they need it most. As of now, all of their potential candidates for President will be spouting this crazy stuff.

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  51. @ic1000
    > “'All Lives Matter.' Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it."

    While Steve laments that "nobody remembers nothin'" in the Current Year, Vox celebrates it.

    Here's the headline of a 2015 Bezos Post article, O’Malley booed as he points out: ‘White lives matter. All lives matter.’ It comes with a nice picture of erstwhile presidential candidate Martin O'Malley dutifully clapping as Tia Oso, the national coordinator for the Black Immigration Network, disputes his "All Lives Matter" statement.

    Also in the sleight-of-hand dept., Vox's Dara Lind wrote,

    To say that “Americans are dreamers too” misses the point of all of that. It only makes sense under a misunderstanding of what DREAMers are actually asking for — a belief that they’re getting free college, for example...
     
    As Ms. Lind surely knows, in-state tuition subsidies is the relevant Dreamer alien minor issue here.

    The thing about Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter is that the police shooting civilians who arguably didn’t do anything wrong is indeed a problem, and persons of all races are victims of this. One could ascribe all kinds of causes — the cynicism and justified fear of police patrolling underclass neighborhoods, the drug war, the post-911 militarization of the police, inadequate police training, that policing attracts control freaks, or whatever theory.

    In some manner of hypothetical world where people acted rationally, Black Lives Matter could admit All Lives Matter into their coalition, a joining forces of the APLC and the Reason Foundation. But no. Firstly, they pick Michael Brown as their martyr, a narrative built on lies on many levels, when there are genuine cases that are much less publicized. Secondly, the minute one said “All Lives Matter” one was accused of crimethink. That the fascist police are singling out blacks and not acting unlawfully with anyone else is central to the movement. Ms. Damond was never remembered let alone forgotten.

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    The true goal of BLM activists, and the politicians and NGOs that riled them up, was clearly not anything actually related to the issue of police conduct.
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  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    As SoTN speeches go, it was easy to watch to the end. We learn that the speech was mostly crafted by Stephen Miller. Trump’s proposed that 1.8 million young illegals would get a shot at acquiring citizenship over a 12 year period (not 5 as for legal immigrants). If they screw up just a little, a moving traffic ticket perhaps, they will be deregistered and liable to deportation. I suspect that that proposal will seem attractive to the average white voter. If Republicans run on that proposal this November they should do well. There seems no chance that the proposal would get through Congress. What then when DACA terminates in March by executive order? Am I correct in understanding that all currently registered DACA illegals will be liable for deportation at the date when their registration runs out? If so, the proposal crafted by Miller seems like a master-stroke.

    And why did Democratic members run for the door when Trump finished? I’ve never seen that before in previous SoTNs.

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    “And why did Democratic members run for the door when Trump finished? I’ve never seen that before in previous SoTNs.”

    I don’t know. I assumed it was part of their tantrum/protest.

    “Have to make it clear we’re not applauding!!”
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  53. @Anonymous
    As SoTN speeches go, it was easy to watch to the end. We learn that the speech was mostly crafted by Stephen Miller. Trump's proposed that 1.8 million young illegals would get a shot at acquiring citizenship over a 12 year period (not 5 as for legal immigrants). If they screw up just a little, a moving traffic ticket perhaps, they will be deregistered and liable to deportation. I suspect that that proposal will seem attractive to the average white voter. If Republicans run on that proposal this November they should do well. There seems no chance that the proposal would get through Congress. What then when DACA terminates in March by executive order? Am I correct in understanding that all currently registered DACA illegals will be liable for deportation at the date when their registration runs out? If so, the proposal crafted by Miller seems like a master-stroke.

    And why did Democratic members run for the door when Trump finished? I've never seen that before in previous SoTNs.

    “And why did Democratic members run for the door when Trump finished? I’ve never seen that before in previous SoTNs.”

    I don’t know. I assumed it was part of their tantrum/protest.

    “Have to make it clear we’re not applauding!!”

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  54. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT but not so far OT
    Trump appropriation of Dreamer term is example of Pinker’s Going Rogue re PC.

    http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/steven-pinker-excessive-political-correctness-feeds-dangerous-ideas

    Sample to whet appetite

    Pinker also argued that members of the alt-right are not necessarily all torch-carrying “knuckle-dragging brutes,” but often quite intelligent and literate, with some studying at Harvard University. He does think they “stay under the radar,” afraid of being put in professional jeopardy.,/blockquote>

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  55. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Incredible. Trump has driven the dems crazy. Lets face it, the economy is good and Trump gets a victory lap. The dems are openly rooting against the economy, which is a loser. Trump has pivoted to the center, the dems are committing suicide. Popular. Trump sounds like a statesman. Unbelievable. The financial channels reluctantly ate it up. CNBC and Bloomberg.

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  56. Of course, the democratic version of the American dream — that even the averagely gifted American who works hard and plays by the rules can reasonably hope to lead a rich and fulfilling life — is precisely what mass low-skilled immigration is undermining. The truly gifted on the other hand are more interested in “equality of opportunity” to rise to the top.

    These are two different though not mutually exclusive things — “anybody who works hard and plays by the rules” and “equality of opportunity” — even though nowadays in most political discourse before Trump the latter has been emphasized to the exclusion of the former. Hillary was particularly guilty on this count, but really it was both parties. Hence the idea that everyone should be prepared to go to college. With Trump vocational education is moving to the fore, which is especially important for minorities.

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    I can't believe you much about minorities Blacks don't want vocation training and skills. They want affirmative action and grading in not academically challenging college and university programs. Then, simple and often useless government jobs with quick promotion to supervisory positions where they can boss around the non-Blacks who actually try to work. Muslims and MENA people think Officer Mohammed Noor of the Miniapolis PD or Medicare-SNAP fraud rings.
    , @ben tillman

    Of course, the democratic version of the American dream — that even the averagely gifted American who works hard and plays by the rules can reasonably hope to lead a rich and fulfilling life — is precisely what mass low-skilled immigration is undermining.
     
    Yes.

    You are right.

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  57. @Inquiring Mind
    The thing about Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter is that the police shooting civilians who arguably didn't do anything wrong is indeed a problem, and persons of all races are victims of this. One could ascribe all kinds of causes -- the cynicism and justified fear of police patrolling underclass neighborhoods, the drug war, the post-911 militarization of the police, inadequate police training, that policing attracts control freaks, or whatever theory.

    In some manner of hypothetical world where people acted rationally, Black Lives Matter could admit All Lives Matter into their coalition, a joining forces of the APLC and the Reason Foundation. But no. Firstly, they pick Michael Brown as their martyr, a narrative built on lies on many levels, when there are genuine cases that are much less publicized. Secondly, the minute one said "All Lives Matter" one was accused of crimethink. That the fascist police are singling out blacks and not acting unlawfully with anyone else is central to the movement. Ms. Damond was never remembered let alone forgotten.

    The true goal of BLM activists, and the politicians and NGOs that riled them up, was clearly not anything actually related to the issue of police conduct.

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  58. OT: The next potential president of Nigeria has the Pepe-ish name Donald Duke. You can read about him on BBC Pidgin, probably the best news source in the world: https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-42891164

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  59. ‘American Dream’ and ‘I Have a Dream’ were about illegal supremacism.

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  60. @Opinionator
    American interests are persuasive with Americans. It needn't be more complicated than that.

    Well, there’s your problem.

    Making things needlessly talmudically complicated is the whole point. Sowing confusion. And finding work out of college when you don’t really know how to do anything…and, well, let’s just say you’re practicing Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism.

    https://www.vox.com/authors/dara-lind

    Back when Yalies were having hysterics over an e-mail about Halloween costumes, Miz Lind opined that Nicholas Christakis/Yale was in the wrong and Screeching Girl was right because college is home, and home is a place where nobody ever gets their feelz hurted.

    A lawyer buddy sent me this a couple of years ago:

    https://blog.simplejustice.us/2015/11/11/dara-lind-yale-promised-paradise/

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    And here is Ezra Klein, co-founder of Vox.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fB-lqu23NQX43Jpw-xkcRiuJqds=/512x512/cdn.vox-cdn.com/author_profile_images/8109/ezra_headshot_1.jpg

    The two are clearly indistinguishable.

    People thought it was bad when they would only promote members of their own tribe. Now they are actively making clones of themselves to staff their stupid websites, and I, for one, want to see someone put an end to it.
    , @Anonymous
    Oddly enough, Nicholas Christakis and his wife had a full home within the boundaries of Silliman College, to which students where routinely invited. I guess that didn't count? The shouting incident literally happened in the "back yard" of their family home, which was the Silliman courtyard.
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  61. @istevefan

    Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on “the American Dream,” which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.
     
    Given that the "American Dream" is something that has been part of our culture for at least a century, it would make sense that Americans are the dreamers since they were/are pursuing the American Dream. I really like how Trump has taken this term back for its rightful owners. I'm already seeing a lot of social media activity with 'Americans are dreamers' type memes.

    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped 'fake news' on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump's jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.

    Last night Chez Olorin it was observed by all that GEOTUS said not one word about “fake news” in last night’s speech.

    Sometimes the most significant utterances are the ones withheld.

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  62. @Stephen Marle
    Check out the photo of the Dreamers turning their back on the television. They are all obese, Mayan-headed, 5-foot-tall 40-year-olds. Are those typical Dreamers? I thought that they were mostly law school students and physics Ph.D.s. These guys and gals don't look fit enough to stand loiter at a Home Depot or vaccum a living room.

    We are becoming a nation of Dollar Store checkout clerks.

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  63. @Luke Lea
    Of course, the democratic version of the American dream -- that even the averagely gifted American who works hard and plays by the rules can reasonably hope to lead a rich and fulfilling life -- is precisely what mass low-skilled immigration is undermining. The truly gifted on the other hand are more interested in "equality of opportunity" to rise to the top.

    These are two different though not mutually exclusive things — "anybody who works hard and plays by the rules" and "equality of opportunity" — even though nowadays in most political discourse before Trump the latter has been emphasized to the exclusion of the former. Hillary was particularly guilty on this count, but really it was both parties. Hence the idea that everyone should be prepared to go to college. With Trump vocational education is moving to the fore, which is especially important for minorities.

    I can’t believe you much about minorities Blacks don’t want vocation training and skills. They want affirmative action and grading in not academically challenging college and university programs. Then, simple and often useless government jobs with quick promotion to supervisory positions where they can boss around the non-Blacks who actually try to work. Muslims and MENA people think Officer Mohammed Noor of the Miniapolis PD or Medicare-SNAP fraud rings.

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  64. It’s the same thing that happens when people respond to the slogan “Black Lives Matter” by saying that “All Lives Matter.” Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it.

    Well, in the inception of the “Black Lives Matter” movement, the Black Life in question was in a life-or-death struggle with a white officer for the officer’s duty weapon. So the Black Life “Mattering” in that instance necessarily required the officer’s life not to matter. But a dead white cop from flyover country is a statistic, and if at the hands of a run of the mill violent black criminal it’s hardly worth noticing to the people who decide what we’re allowed to talk about, and how we’re allowed to talk about the few things we’re allowed to talk about.

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  65. @anon
    Dems are jumping the line to oppose Trump's DACA compromise. And if it passes.those ingrates will make Americans regret it. Not to mention the fact that a lot of them won't qualify. They hate paperwork, after all.

    “They hate paperwork, after all”

    People will do that for you. The left is infinitely more interested in lawfare.

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  66. @Autochthon

    “All Lives Matter.” Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it. But to say it in this context, as a rebuttal, is to draw attention away from the discrepancy that the original statement was trying to point out: the reality that not everyone is equal....
     
    Heh. The reality that not everyone is equal – in intelligence, diligence, conscientiousness, ability, beauty, creativity, orderliness, patience, self-control, civility, etc.; not in the Jeffersonian sense of equality before the law – is exactly what the Negroes and their leftist handlers incessantly and vociferously deny!

    Chutzpah.

    They’re so far down the road of conditioned ideological reflexes that they forget to spell things out. The writer–without looking I’m going to assume it’s female–knows that baring unjust (un-socially just, that is) interference, everyone *should* be equal. Finding inequality, she assumes it has been caused by evil. Because it can’t be nature’s fault.

    Because this…hissy fit is from Vox, it doesn’t much matter. If she were writing for the general public, she would be sure to spell things out better. If only by phrasing it as: “the reality that we’re failing the ideal of equality,” or even just: “the reality that some are treated unequally.”

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  67. @istevefan

    Of course, the DREAM act was almost certainly a play on “the American Dream,” which was owned by Senior Americans beforehand.
     
    Given that the "American Dream" is something that has been part of our culture for at least a century, it would make sense that Americans are the dreamers since they were/are pursuing the American Dream. I really like how Trump has taken this term back for its rightful owners. I'm already seeing a lot of social media activity with 'Americans are dreamers' type memes.

    I think in one fell swoop he just flipped that term just like he flipped 'fake news' on them last year. Recall fake news was what they were pushing to tarnish our side, and Trump's jujitsu was so effective the MSM has been calling on people to stop using that term.

    “Fake News” was a creation of the Washington Post. They used the term in a few front page articles in the days following the election and every MSM outlet followed. Their examples of fake news peddlers were underwhelming and I had not heard of any of outlets that “swung” the election to Trump.

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  68. Imagine if some fiendish person combined the deplorable statements “Americans Are Dreamers Too” and “All Lives Matter” into something sinister:

    ALL AMERICAN LIVES MATTER!

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  69. Man, its almost like Trump didn’t end DACA so he could use it to portray the Dems as unstable lunatic suicide cultists, contra the big brains here who squeal about cucking.

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  70. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Olorin
    Well, there's your problem.

    Making things needlessly talmudically complicated is the whole point. Sowing confusion. And finding work out of college when you don't really know how to do anything...and, well, let's just say you're practicing Sailer's First Law of Female Journalism.

    https://www.vox.com/authors/dara-lind

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/VXEQhHDrDx6gwAKI70Txoz1bWgI=/512x512/cdn.vox-cdn.com/author_profile_images/14479/d_lind_headshot.0.jpg

    Back when Yalies were having hysterics over an e-mail about Halloween costumes, Miz Lind opined that Nicholas Christakis/Yale was in the wrong and Screeching Girl was right because college is home, and home is a place where nobody ever gets their feelz hurted.

    A lawyer buddy sent me this a couple of years ago:

    https://blog.simplejustice.us/2015/11/11/dara-lind-yale-promised-paradise/

    And here is Ezra Klein, co-founder of Vox.

    The two are clearly indistinguishable.

    People thought it was bad when they would only promote members of their own tribe. Now they are actively making clones of themselves to staff their stupid websites, and I, for one, want to see someone put an end to it.

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    Now they are actively making clones of themselves...
     
    Remember the ending of the movie*, Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

    They're not human! They're not human!
     
    *The 1950s original version directed by Don Seigel.
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  71. @william munny
    The media is fawning all over Kennedy, of course, but can they really believe their base would get behind a redheaded straight white man?

    He’s just not a great speaker either. I mean that as in, not only is he not very compelling, but he has bad habits like letting his volume drop off at the ends of sentences. Not ready for prime time.

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  72. @anon
    And here is Ezra Klein, co-founder of Vox.

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fB-lqu23NQX43Jpw-xkcRiuJqds=/512x512/cdn.vox-cdn.com/author_profile_images/8109/ezra_headshot_1.jpg

    The two are clearly indistinguishable.

    People thought it was bad when they would only promote members of their own tribe. Now they are actively making clones of themselves to staff their stupid websites, and I, for one, want to see someone put an end to it.

    Now they are actively making clones of themselves…

    Remember the ending of the movie*, Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

    They’re not human! They’re not human!

    *The 1950s original version directed by Don Seigel.

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  73. The DREAM Act — an acronym that stands for Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors

    Heh, so this acronym contains a word (alien) that’s now “considered offensive”. Just like NAACP.

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  74. @Wilkey
    The word "dream" is an English word - a very old English word, in fact. It is quite similar to its German translation (traum) as well as its Frisian, Saxon, and Norse counterparts. IOW, it's very similar to the words used by the people to which the English people are most closely related.

    The word for dream in Spanish is sueno. In French the word is reve. They aren't remotely similar to the English word.

    So not only are the illegal alien so-called "dreamers" appropriating our land and our history - they are appropriating our language, too.

    “Dream” is cognate to Spanish “dormir” — to sleep.

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    So, basically, you're saying "Dreamer" is a microaggression, comparing Hispanics to those head-nodding, sombrero-wearing Mexicans who used to feature in Speedy Gonzalez cartoons.
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  75. @anonguy
    In case you guys didn't notice it, nobody really has yet, so no harm, no foul, Trump in his SOTU utterly rejected the propositional nation notion in his talk of America being a product of its people, whoever they may be at various points in history.

    He used the relatively unknown lady liberty on the top of the Capitol Dome instead of the Statue of Liberty to keep things clean and uniting. I say Stephen Miller had a yuuge hand in this part of the speech and it was a truly inspired approach.

    So, Trump got elected, has turned around much in America already, has the swamp creatures on the run, and all the good people of America are on the verge of a spiritual and moral rebirth.

    These are all things I predicted very early on when none seemed likely.

    My work here is done, its been real guys....

    Oh yeah, one more, for your own sakes, please ditch the WN stuff, it has no more place in the emerging America than does the things you guys detest from the left.

    Au revoir.

    My work here is done

    Nope, that is what a slacker does. But hey, I wish you well.

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  76. @Opinionator
    American interests are persuasive with Americans. It needn't be more complicated than that.

    Indeed.

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  77. @International Jew
    "Dream" is cognate to Spanish "dormir" — to sleep.

    So, basically, you’re saying “Dreamer” is a microaggression, comparing Hispanics to those head-nodding, sombrero-wearing Mexicans who used to feature in Speedy Gonzalez cartoons.

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    comparing Hispanics to those head-nodding, sombrero-wearing Mexicans who used to feature in Speedy Gonzalez cartoons.

    Fun story about Speedy Gonzalez. Long after they stopped airing Speedy Gonzalez cartoons on American TV, they would still have a person in a Speedy Gonzalez costume at Six Flags. I went there a few times, and every time he came out, there would always be a bunch of teenage Mexican girls getting their pictures taken with him.

    Apparently, they still show his cartoons in Latin America, where I guess they don't find him particularly offensive.

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  78. @eah
    Not well thought through.

    https://twitter.com/ChuckLane1/status/958548856664444933

    Hilarious.

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  79. @Luke Lea
    Of course, the democratic version of the American dream -- that even the averagely gifted American who works hard and plays by the rules can reasonably hope to lead a rich and fulfilling life -- is precisely what mass low-skilled immigration is undermining. The truly gifted on the other hand are more interested in "equality of opportunity" to rise to the top.

    These are two different though not mutually exclusive things — "anybody who works hard and plays by the rules" and "equality of opportunity" — even though nowadays in most political discourse before Trump the latter has been emphasized to the exclusion of the former. Hillary was particularly guilty on this count, but really it was both parties. Hence the idea that everyone should be prepared to go to college. With Trump vocational education is moving to the fore, which is especially important for minorities.

    Of course, the democratic version of the American dream — that even the averagely gifted American who works hard and plays by the rules can reasonably hope to lead a rich and fulfilling life — is precisely what mass low-skilled immigration is undermining.

    Yes.

    You are right.

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  80. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    So, basically, you're saying "Dreamer" is a microaggression, comparing Hispanics to those head-nodding, sombrero-wearing Mexicans who used to feature in Speedy Gonzalez cartoons.

    comparing Hispanics to those head-nodding, sombrero-wearing Mexicans who used to feature in Speedy Gonzalez cartoons.

    Fun story about Speedy Gonzalez. Long after they stopped airing Speedy Gonzalez cartoons on American TV, they would still have a person in a Speedy Gonzalez costume at Six Flags. I went there a few times, and every time he came out, there would always be a bunch of teenage Mexican girls getting their pictures taken with him.

    Apparently, they still show his cartoons in Latin America, where I guess they don’t find him particularly offensive.

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  81. @Olorin
    Well, there's your problem.

    Making things needlessly talmudically complicated is the whole point. Sowing confusion. And finding work out of college when you don't really know how to do anything...and, well, let's just say you're practicing Sailer's First Law of Female Journalism.

    https://www.vox.com/authors/dara-lind

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/VXEQhHDrDx6gwAKI70Txoz1bWgI=/512x512/cdn.vox-cdn.com/author_profile_images/14479/d_lind_headshot.0.jpg

    Back when Yalies were having hysterics over an e-mail about Halloween costumes, Miz Lind opined that Nicholas Christakis/Yale was in the wrong and Screeching Girl was right because college is home, and home is a place where nobody ever gets their feelz hurted.

    A lawyer buddy sent me this a couple of years ago:

    https://blog.simplejustice.us/2015/11/11/dara-lind-yale-promised-paradise/

    Oddly enough, Nicholas Christakis and his wife had a full home within the boundaries of Silliman College, to which students where routinely invited. I guess that didn’t count? The shouting incident literally happened in the “back yard” of their family home, which was the Silliman courtyard.

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  82. @Autochthon

    “All Lives Matter.” Technically, the statement is true and no one is disputing it. But to say it in this context, as a rebuttal, is to draw attention away from the discrepancy that the original statement was trying to point out: the reality that not everyone is equal....
     
    Heh. The reality that not everyone is equal – in intelligence, diligence, conscientiousness, ability, beauty, creativity, orderliness, patience, self-control, civility, etc.; not in the Jeffersonian sense of equality before the law – is exactly what the Negroes and their leftist handlers incessantly and vociferously deny!

    Chutzpah.

    ” The reality that not everyone is equal – in intelligence, diligence, conscientiousness, ability, beauty, creativity, orderliness, patience, self-control, civility, etc.; . .”

    Voila! Every one is EQUAL . . . on the basis that every one is DIFFERENT.

    Cuts to the quick when you further advise that not every “difference” is necessarily acceptable to yourself or toothers.

    (See, for example, James Hillman, The Soul’s Code, for a one-page expansion.)

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  83. @william munny
    The media is fawning all over Kennedy, of course, but can they really believe their base would get behind a redheaded straight white man?

    Who better to lecture flyover America about the evils of unearned entrenched white privilege than a Kennedy?

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