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From Vox in 2015.

“When the medical community links race to health outcomes, it’s really just using race as a substitute for other factors, such as where your ancestors came from …”

 
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  1. ziel says:

    I know when I want to be lectured on Race I prefer it come from a Millenial with severe vocal fry.

    • Agree: NickG
    • LOL: Highlander
  2. J.Ross says: • Website

    Because doctors love making things more complicated, as illustrated in the doctors’ aversion to acronyms.
    Also, they make less sense than Michael Jackson:
    Y’see it’s not about races,
    Just faces: places.
    It’s where your blood comes from,
    It’s where your space is.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  3. The woman who narrated that video has a voice made for silent movies.

    “When the medical community links race to health outcomes, it’s really just using race as a substitute for other factors, such as where your ancestors came from …”

    It is tempting to link that statement to its author’s stupidity, but I guess that would be a case of using stupidity as a substitute for other factors, such as low IQ.

  4. “When the medical community links race to health outcomes, it’s really just using race as a substitute for other factors, such as where your ancestors came from …”

    Well…damn.

    I guess that settles it then.

  5. If the word race becomes abolished, some other word will take its place. I sense we’re already reaching for that word, even if I don’t know what it’ll be. But what I do know is that in time that word too will have to be abolished.

  6. Wilkey says:

    “If the word race becomes abolished, some other word will take its place. I sense we’re already reaching for that word, even if I don’t know what it’ll be. But what I do know is that in time that word too will have to be abolished.”

    Negro -> Colored -> Urban -> Black -> African-American -> Vibrant

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  7. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    Cline

    • Replies: @Lex Corvus
  8. jayze says:

    She made an interesting argument for the wavering legal definition of race, but supported the stable biological definition.

  9. The Myth of Race.
    Race linked to outcomes.
    Race= Ancestry.
    The Myth of Ancestry and Outcomes.
    LOL.

  10. Top tip. Avoid nasty congenital diseases by simply emigrating, since health outcomes are linked to where your ancestors come from.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Ivy
    , @Philo
  11. When can we catalog these claims as a findings clause for the law prohibiting collection of racial and ethnic identification for employment and admissions?

    It seems to me that it would serve the interests of African Americans, in particular, to limit all such collection (including by gender) to two boxes: African American, Not-African American.

    Citizens: select one. Permanent and temporary residents, leave empty.

    Much, much goodness would follow from this reform.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @songbird
  12. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    That’s how “Hispanic” was handled for years. You only got two choices for “Ethnicity” — Hispanic or Not Hispanic.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Highlander
  13. Trump could provide me with endless hours of entertainment if he were to state:
    “I’ve listened to our most esteemed social scientists and academics and agree with their statement that race is myth. Therefore, we will be reforming the census by eliminating all questions related to race.”

    • Replies: @Travis
  14. ic1000 says:

    When the medical community links country of origin to health outcomes, it’s really just using where your ancestors came from as a substitute for other factors, such as race.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  15. songbird says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    I’ve often thought there was a gigantic market for a service that would use technology to remove race and sex from all interviews, just as certain elite musical organizations, do their auditions, behind a blocking screen.

    The big question for me is would it even be legal, disparate impact being what it is? I think it would be very possible on a technological level, to make it so someone could not even guess, but politically it might be a different matter.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @ziggurat
  16. Ibound1 says:

    Your full genetic profile will, in the future, be completely accessible to you doctors (and any prospective spouse). Only employers will be forbidden to see it at pain of death probably. For employers and governments the old categories will be used for much longer – because the plaintiffs’ lawyers need them to file claims at the EEOC. And the EEOC needs them to have something to do.

    • Replies: @julius caesar
    , @hyperbola
  17. @J.Ross

    Y’see it’s not about races,
    Just faces: places.
    It’s where your blood comes from,
    It’s where your space is.

    Great lines!

    Umm – where, from which – – facility – – did Michael’s blood come from?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  18. L Woods says:
    @songbird

    They tried this. As will come as no surprise to anyone here, women and NAMs did worse, not better as predicted by goodthinkers. Therefore of course, there’s no use for it.

  19. Well this is a relief. I’ve noticed that people whose ancestors are from Africa tend to commit a lot more violent crimes than other people. Glad I can express that without being a racist.

  20. @Steve Sailer

    I still see that on quite a number of forms.

    You have two choices on ethnicity, Hispanic or Not Hispanic

    Then you choose your race.

    Most forms these days have a spot for “two or more races”
    Some forms allow you to choose as many races as you like.

    For those of us who have designed GUIs, it is the difference between radio buttons and check boxes.

  21. @Steve Sailer

    I find it hilarious that what they really meant by Hispanic was weather or not you were a mestizo with Native American blood and a Spanish last surname. Here in the United States we use a ridiculous reverse one-drop rule. If you have any Indian blood at all you can call yourself an Native American.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  22. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Dieter Kief

    There is a huge and gathering amount of evidence that Elizabeth Bathory was right and “young blood” really does mitigate aging. There are several creepy, ultra-weathy elite people who look solidly middle-aged, but are officially in their seventies and nineties. There’s all manner of secrets, scientifically legitimate and otherwise, in boutique medicine for the ultra-rich.
    http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/beauty-news/sandra-bullock-foreskin-facial-596468

    Does Gloria Vanderbilt look like she was born in 1924 in this image?
    Bill Gates: “Maybe I won’t die.”

  23. anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:

    This Vox is such a genius, producing videos on all manner of subjects: military, history, politics, biology, culture, you name it. He’s obviously an expert on everything and anything.

  24. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    Is there some corollary to Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism that says they know they’re talking nonsense, but that the point is that the smarter, educated, well-composed black guys will be able to see through this and know that she is really signaling that she is very interested. (Not the other ones though. Gross!)

  25. Moses says:

    Lefties:

    “Race doesn’t exist.”
    “Whites are racist.”
    “It’s racist to notice someone is another race.”
    “It’s racist not to notice someone is another race.”
    “You shouldn’t notice race, unless we want you to notice race (which doesn’t exist).”

    Orwell’s Doublethink is a real thing.

  26. This is daft. Imagine an immigrant to the US from England, whose grandparents arrived in England from the Caribbean in the 1950s. His ancestors would be considered to come from England, but his race would still be African, and his medical profile would show African susceptibility to, for example, prostate cancer, as opposed to the “white English” prostate profile.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  27. istevefan says:

    Concerning Mexicans:

    The narrator starts with 1929 and then mentions the change in 1930 and then the change in 1942.

    A couple of observations:

    First, I believe Mexicans were originally considered white after we absorbed a handful of them following the Mexican War of 1846-48. The reason was that naturalization was still limited to free whites due the first naturalization act of 1790 and the subsequent acts to date. Since we promised to take care of those Mexicans we inherited, we had to classify them as white to naturalize them. I think that was the reason, but I could be wrong.

    Second, the lady gives us a lecture about how Americans can be of many different classifications. But she implies Mexicans are uniformly one group. Why do people so readily understand that an American can be of any race or ethnicity, but seem to think Mexicans, and Latin Americans in general, are homogeneous? Though they probably comprise less than 10 percent, there are a group of Mexicans that are properly classed as white/European. But Vox doesn’t know this because the Mexican whites generally stay home and push the nonwhites into the US.

  28. Ivy says:
    @The King is A Fink

    Top tip. Avoid nasty congenital diseases by simply emigrating, since health outcomes are linked to where your ancestors come from.

    The plague, coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

  29. Lot says:
    @ziel

    Wow, that is both the worst vocal fry and uptalking I’ve ever heard. After 35 seconds it was unbearable, and I have a high tolerance.

    When Big Hillary’s goons drag me to reeducation class, I fear it will be much worse than the drab Stalinist propaganda you saw in cold war movies like Red Dawn.

    Imagine being strapped down and forced to watch, Clockwork Orange style, Ezra Klein’s woke minions doing these peppy condescending “explainers” for hours on end.

  30. Lot says:
    @ziel

    So much for charming southern accents. The voice is Estelle Caswell, the butch Vox music critic from southern alabama.

  31. @Lot

    She must have worked really, really hard to be from there and yet make her voice sound that obnoxious.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  32. Mr. Anon says:
    @ziel

    Yeah, that awful voice was damned near unbearable.

  33. Mr. Anon says:

    That video contained a lot of nonsense in only 3 minutes.

    1.) The old standard: Because the boundaries between races are not sharp, there is no such thing as race.

    2.) Because there are individuals whose self-identification changes, there is no such thing as race.

    3.) There is no single gene for race, therefore race does not exist.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  34. ziggurat says:
    @songbird

    The following article describes an experiment in which interviewees had their voices disguised so that they sounded like the opposite sex. The result was that there appears to be a slight bias in favor of women for tech jobs. In other words, the study got the “wrong” result and that’s why you haven’t heard about this study.

    http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/01/not-sexism-women-just-suck-interviews/

    “If anything, we started to notice some trends in the opposite direction of what we expected: for technical ability, it appeared that men who were modulated to sound like women did a bit better than unmodulated men and that women who were modulated to sound like men did a bit worse than unmodulated women.”

    • Replies: @songbird
  35. Dr. Doom says:

    Ignoring DNA, anatomy, observable behavior patterns and completely different ranges in IQ scores, “experts” are now convinced that just pretending facts don’t matter, cherry picking statistics and using guilt on White people will eventually work if you censor all White people and tell them to just die.

    This is the kind of “brilliance” this doomed system can offer you…

  36. helena says:

    Race Categories are ‘made up’. In other words, ‘thought up’. Much like Darwin ‘thought up’ Evolution.

  37. @Highlander

    I’d like to use Highlander as my handle, too, but you know what they say…
    “There can be only one!”

    • Replies: @Lot
  38. @Ibound1

    Once genetic knowledge becomes so widespread, eugenics cannot be far behind.

    The question (possibly for 2075) will be whether government should or even can stop people from selectively choosing traits of their children?

  39. @ziel

    Ole Joe Conrad was a prophet who could see into the future. That Voice! THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

  40. The more time passes since I first became aware the West was failing, the more I find the process boils down to feminization. And the longer I consider that, the more I find feminization boils down to nominalism. Eg the notion that using five words where one would do, but still including the relevant geographical component (where) and genetic component (ancestors), changes anything.

  41. Jack D says:
    @ic1000

    When the medical community links country of origin to health outcomes, it’s really just using where your ancestors came from as a substitute for other factors, such as race.

    No, it’s just PC doubletalk. “Where your ancestors came from” and “Race” are two names for the same thing.

    For exammple

    When the medical community links country of origin to health outcomes, it’s really just using where your ancestors came from (e.g. Africa) as a substitute for other factors, such as race (e.g. African).

    • Replies: @hyperbola
  42. Raises the question what they thought race means.

  43. Jack D says:

    This is who gets to lecture us (oops, I mean, “have a conversation about race”) in modern America:

    I think I would have preferred being lectured by Madame Mao, who at least had a more nuanced understanding of the world (and did not uptalk). This woman operates on the level of a 10 year old – “Did you know that in the old days you could change your race just by crossing state lines?” Lesbians naturally make the error of trying to infer general rules from fringe cases – Even though the vast majority of people are clearly of one race or gender, I can show you a few individuals who are neither fish nor fowl and therefore race/gender does not exist at all. This is like saying that the existence of the duck-billed platypus means that there is no distinction between mammals and birds.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  44. According to this, race doesn’t exist because there isn’t a single chromosome that determines race, and because a lot of people don’t fit neatly into a single racial category. Also, laws concerning racial categories differ. That’s the sum total of the argument.

    Who on earth is this supposed to convince?

  45. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She must have worked really, really hard to be from there and yet make her voice sound that obnoxious.

    Chicken-fried vocal chords.

  46. eric says:

    She says that the race assigned to you creates all sorts of advantages or handicaps, but for more than 30 years, those with merely 1/4 African American ancestry have clearly preferred being called Black/AA/etc. If the mere label was a huge handicap, like it was a century ago, they would not. Other things equal, being AA generates a lot more explicit and implicit (eg, moral superiority) advantages.

  47. @Semperluctor

    Imagine an immigrant to the US from England, whose grandparents arrived in England from the Caribbean in the 1950s. His ancestors would be considered to come from England

    Not if his ancestry was learned from a DNA test, which is what they’re talking about here. Those go back a lot further than a couple of generations. Your hypothetical immigrant’s 23andme results would show him as some combination of African and Carribean (assuming all four grandparents immigrated from there in the 1950s). England wouldn’t show up on the test at all.

    • Replies: @Semperluctor
  48. @ziel

    I thinks she does the voice for Lumpy Space Princess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRKBBo2RPKQ

  49. songbird says:
    @ziggurat

    Thanks. That is quite interesting.

  50. Olorin says:
    @International Jew

    In 2016, in a comment on our host’s reflections on The Guardian calling Boulder, Colorado, the future of America, frequent commenter SPMoore8 wrote:

    The reason these names keep changing is because a word designates an object, and if an object accrues bad associations, then by re-naming the object, it is thought that you remove the bad associations. But the bad associations always come right back, because it is the object, not the word, that is creating the problem. The first person I know to point this out was Schopenhauer, 150 years ago (Section 285a in the Parerga and Paralipomena).

    All social justice re-naming (including the current jihad against “oriental”) is similarly motivated and will require similar re-naming every cycle.

    #263, http://www.unz.com/isteve/guardian-americas-future-is-boulder-colorado/

    Others commented as well on the phenomenon, but SP nailed the primitive magic aspect of this habit of SJWs…even while assigning it a too-recent origin. Naming Magic is a well-discussed phenomenon in various fields and has been an observed phenomenon in religion for thousands of years.

    MIT emeritus professor Loren Graham has had one of the most interesting recent takes on it of which I’m aware…though a bit less psychologically perceptive than SP’s take:

    A common concept in history is that knowing the name of something or someone gives one power over that thing or person. This concept occurs in many different forms, in numerous cultures—in ancient and primitive tribes, as well as in Islamic, Jewish, Egyptian, Vedic, Hindu, and Christian traditions. The strength of this belief varies, and there are certainly exceptions to it. Nonetheless, the persistence and historical continuity of the linking of naming and power are unmistakable. Some scholars find it embedded in the first verses of Genesis, probably written over three thousand years ago; others believe it to be an intrinsic characteristic of classical Greek religion; still others find it a central feature in magic and folklore; and modern feminists often see it as the reason that a woman in marriage is traditionally asked to take the name of her new husband. In all these cases, naming something or someone is seen as the exertion of dominion over that thing or person. Several twentieth-century mathematicians gave naming a peculiar twist that reflected their deep religious mysticism and influenced their creativity.

    http://philoctetes.org/news/the_power_of_names_religion_mathematics

    [MORE]

    His 2009 book, Naming Infinity: A True Story of Religious Mysticism and Mathematical Creativity, is well worth reading. If you dig around you can find talks and articles he derived from this interest in naming magic as it constitutes part of some mathematicians’ thinking.

    This is the left’s primary source of power. “Thugs” are renamed “teens,” “dimwits” are renamed “college graduates” (after having gone through a lucrative process of tax-dollar farming or debt-acquisition), “insane people” are renamed “transsexual furries,” and such.

    The game is dominion through creating a new religion of SJW. The left has excelled at dominion through renaming, using the mass media. So much so that the media, as Gregory Hood points out, are the de facto power base in today’s US republic. The example he used last winter: renaming anything a white man ever did in his mating behavior as “assault” or “rape.”

    In theory, democracy is government by the people. But as most people believe simply whatever the System media tells them to believe, democracy is really just government via the media. Politicians and statesman are essentially interchangeable. Culture, tradition, and kinship are far less significant in the calculations of power than who controls the television networks, the major Internet providers, and the key online institutions such as YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and PayPal.

    …Most journalism, as it is practiced, is not any kind of a check on power, but an attempt to defend power by identifying dissidents and waging Alinksy-style campaigns of personal destruction against them. Dissenters are fired, deplatformed, and socially isolated in the name of “democracy.” Because this power is not exclusively exercised through state institutions (through it is certainly empowered by “civil rights” laws and the abolition of free association), even well-meaning Americans have trouble identifying it as tyrannical, instead simply dismissing it as the “free market in action.”

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/12/the-great-alabama-shit-test/

    That quote deftly sums up what is happening at The Evergreen State College. Though the renaming is “equity.” Not “democracy.” And the tyrant is an uber-cuck Boomer repeating 1970s talking points from Penn’s sociology department to work the will of the board of trustees (a passel of SJW priests in their own right). And why not? It’s been a lucrative ride. For him. A guy who can’t even fix his own fireplace.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    , @Chrisnonymous
  51. hyperbola says:
    @Ibound1

    Of course that genetic profile will be mostly useless for anything more than the 1% of “rare” diseases that are usually fatal.

    Personalized medicine, intelligence asnalysis and all other “phenotypes” that are complex will never be interpretable (although many “genes” will be sold to the gullible).

  52. J1234 says:

    Vox might be a bit more convincing if they’d use narrators without valley girls accents. Um…no, actually not. I didn’t watch the last 40 seconds of the video, as it wasn’t going anywhere, so I may have missed something pertinent, but everything I saw to that point focused on the logic of the margins. Using that logic, there’s no such thing as “winter weather” in the upper midwest because there are 70 degree days in late December. There is no such thing as SUV’s because some SUV’s are more like minivans while others are more like farm trucks. We have to acknowledge that there are some elements of social construct in racial categories, but it’s simplistically ignorant to believe that’s all it is.

  53. hyperbola says:
    @Jack D

    Does your tribe come from eastern Europe or from the mideast?

    Present-day Lebanese descend from Biblical Canaanites, genetic study suggests

    https://phys.org/news/2017-07-present-day-lebanese-descend-biblical-canaanites.html

    Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

    https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

    ….. All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East….

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous Jew
  54. Jack D says:
    @hyperbola

    Ashkenazi Jews are European but not Eastern European. I wish that they could have found a safe home in their native continent of Europe but their fellow Europeans didn’t want them there. The sign of the true anti-Semite is that he doesn’t want the Jews to be ANYWHERE – not in his country and not in their own country. Israel was a last resort after the 2,000 year Diaspora experiment failed catastrophically. Yes, Ashkenazi Jews are about as Middle Eastern as Elizabeth Warren is an Injun’ but people will rationalize anything in order to survive. Of course nowadays Israel has lots of (Sephardic) Middle Eastern Jews thanks to their Arab neighbors.

  55. @Wilkey

    Negro -> Colored -> Urban -> Black -> African-American -> Vibrant

    Is it too late to go back to Coon, Spade, Spook, Nig-nog, or Porch Monkey?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Anon87
    , @MBlanc46
  56. @hyperbola

    Last I checked the current literature suggests Ashkenazis are roughly 35-40% Levantine; 35-40% Roman; 20% or so Centeral or Eastern European. Male line is 60-70% Levantine, and the female line is overwhelmingly Roman. So 60-65% White European is fair.

    This comports pretty well with history and how modern Ashkenazi’s look. Most look Italian, a minority look like blonde Germans, and a smaller minority could pass for a lighter, non-Muslim Palestinian.

    FYI, I had a Christian Palestinian teacher in college and he could easily pass for Greek. Also know a guy that’s half Palestinian half Northern Euro and he doesn’t even look Jewish. He just looks like a regular White guy. The Levant was ‘browned’ following the spread of Islam. Many/most indigenous Levantines look like sun-tanned Greeks, not like the current brown, Palestinian Muslims.

  57. @J.Ross

    She didn’t do the transfusions right.

  58. Wilkey says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “Is it too late to go back to [various racial epithets]“?

    Yes no maybe? I was referring to the change in terms preferred by blacks themselves, not to words deliberately intended to offend them.

  59. @J.Ross

    That’s a carefully presented and retouched photo. Also, not recent.

    Vanderbilt today pretty much looks like she’s wearing a skin mask:

    http://celebrityabc.net/gloria-vanderbilt-plastic-surgery-before-and-after

    The simple fact that she’s 94 means she’s doing something right, but we’ll have to wait to see if she goes beyond ordinary human lifespan.

  60. @Mr. Anon

    1.) The old standard: Because the boundaries between races are not sharp, there is no such thing as race.

    The boundaries are really quite strikingly sharp.

  61. @J.Ross

    Jagger’s regularly in Zürich, poeple say: For “blood exchange” or – laundry. He fathered one more baby lately.

  62. Philo says:
    @The King is A Fink

    That won’t help you, but it might help your descendants (if you emigrate to a genetically healthier region).

  63. Travis says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    but “ethnicity” would remain and probably expanded to create an “ebonics” or “Black” ethnicity since we cannot eliminate the “hispanic” ethnicity. Would be interesting if “Black” became an ethnic group like hispanic if it restricted the Black ethnic category to those who had deep routes in America and thus exclude Africans from the “Black” ethnic category just as we exclude Spanish Americans from the “hispanic” ethnic category today.

    Will the academics and leftists ever disparage the use of “ethnicity” to describe people and start the narrative that “ethnicity” does not exist ? Will they ever conclude that ancestry does not exist ?

  64. @Olorin

    That was 2016? Seems like yesterday. The Trumpening has absorbed two years of my life!!

  65. @J.Ross

    Gloria Vanderbilt was truly gorgeous back in the 40s and 50s. Not so much now. She definitely doesn’t look middle-aged. She’s not doing as well as this woman…

    Take-away?
    Get ye to the gym!

  66. Slayer says:
    @International Jew

    Ancestry group. Long since replaced in most literature.

  67. Lot says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    There is a satisfying paradox in combining your first name with anonymous for a username.

  68. Dr. Doom says:

    The facts are just hateful.
    Reality is not fair.
    Asking for payment is slavery.
    Work is just not nice.
    Who are you to judge things?
    Why do you not just give up?
    You’ll never get it that way.
    Why should you even try?
    The Government can do it.
    No one needs to help.
    Lets just wait for it to come.
    Its too tiring to do it.

    THE NIHILISM OF HOPE AND CHANGE.

  69. @Rex Little

    Oh, ok, I assumed that they were operating on the ‘race is only a construct’ theory, and that people were self identifying as ‘I come from England’. Thanks for the clarification, you are right.

  70. @Anonymous

    Only some group differences are clinal, though. Most cluster by shared ancestry.

  71. MBlanc46 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I know that it’s very, very wicked, but I simply cannot—cannot—restrain myself from adding “jigaboo”. I apologize. I’m truly sorry.

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