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From the Voter Study Group:

Race, Religion, and Immigration in 2016
How the Debate over American Identity Shaped the Election and What It Means for a Trump Presidency
JUNE 2017
Author:John Sides

… Second, drawing on reinterviews of Americans originally interviewed in 2011 to 2012, I show that attitudes about immigration, feelings toward black people, and feelings toward Muslims became more strongly related to voter decision making in 2016 compared to 2012. None of the other factors that I examine show this pattern. The greater salience of attitudes related to race, ethnicity, and religion arguably derives from a campaign far more focused on immigration and the threat of terrorism than the 2012 campaign was.

Finally, I describe the contours of Americans’ opinions about key facets of the immigration debate. I show that Trump’s initial priorities of restricting immigration and fighting terrorism align very much with the priorities of Republican voters and especially his base of primary supporters. Moreover, there are large partisan cleavages in how Americans feel about both immigrants and Muslims, with Republicans and especially Trump primary supporters expressing less favorable views of these groups, on average. …

The Democratic Party has an increasing advantage among nonwhite people. … By contrast, the Republican Party has an increasing advantage among white people—an advantage that only developed after Obama took office. …

The figure shows that white flight from the Democratic Party occurred almost entirely among white people without a college degree….

It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

This alignment between partisanship and racial attitudes involved more than attitudes toward black people. By 2012, white Democrats and white Republicans diverged over whether they evaluated Muslims favorably and whether immigration should be restricted. Depending on the specific survey question, this divergence consists of Democrats moving toward more favorable attitudes, Republicans moving toward less favorable attitudes, or both.

In December 2016, the survey firm YouGov reinterviewed 8,000 respondents who had been interviewed originally in 2011 to 2012 as part of the Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project. ….

What stands out most, however, is the attitudes that became more strongly related to the vote in 2016: attitudes about immigration, feelings toward black people, and feelings toward Muslims. …

The increased salience of these attitudes was particularly helpful for Trump because there were a substantial number of white Obama voters who as of late 2011 had less favorable attitudes toward black people, Muslims, and immigrants. For example, 37 percent of white Obama voters had a less favorable attitude toward Muslims (a feeling thermometer score on the “cooler” side of the scale). Similarly, 33 percent of white Obama voters said that “illegal immigrants” were “mostly a drain,” compared to 40 percent who said that they “mostly make a contribution” (the rest said “neither” or were not sure). About 34 percent said that it should be harder “for foreigners to immigrate to the United States,” while just 33 percent said it should be easier and 21 percent said there should be no change. By comparison, only 6 percent of white Romney voters thought illegal immigrants make a contribution to American society; the vast majority, nearly 80 percent, thought that these immigrants were a drain. Obama also won votes from some white people with unfavorable views of black people. …

In other words, more than a few white people who voted for Obama in 2012 held views that were too realistic for Hillary in 2016.

The VOTER Survey asked respondents about four potential consequences of these demographic changes:

Now, as you may know, census projections show that by 2043, black people, Latinos, Asians, and other mixed racial and ethnic groups will together be a majority of the population. Thinking about the likely impact of this coming demographic change, how much do you agree or disagree with each of these statements? • Americans will learn more from one another and be enriched by exposure to many different cultures. • A bigger, more diverse workforce will lead to more economic growth. • There will be too many demands on government services. • There will not be enough jobs for everybody.

It’s interesting how nobody ever asks about how immigration and affirmative action interact. You are just not supposed to think about how the U.S. keeps importing more people who, as soon as they land, are entitled to racial privileges that come at your expense.

Respondents were more optimistic than pessimistic: larger majorities agreed that demographic change would produce cultural enrichment (75 percent) and economic growth (73 percent) than agreed that there would be too many demands on government services (56 percent) or not enough jobs (52 percent). At the same time, that at least half of Americans agreed with each statement suggests ambivalence about the impact of these demographic changes.

Views of the Consequences of a Majority-Minority Nation
There were divisions between the parties: Democrats were more optimistic than Republicans, and Trump primary supporters were generally the least optimistic. For example, 59 percent of Republicans, compared to 89 percent of Democrats, thought that a majority-minority nation would enrich Americans by exposing them to different cultures. The largest difference concerned the potential demands on government services: only 33 percent of Democrats agreed with this, but 80 percent of Republicans and 84 percent of Trump primary voters agreed.

It’s striking how the Democrats by 2016 were the party of Status Quo Triumphalism and Complacency.

 
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  1. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:

    The MSM always frame it as “are you pro-immigration (good) or anti-immigration (bad)?

    There’s no room for those of us who believe that a modest amount of immigration–of people who are intelligent, productive, perhaps attractive in other ways–might be worthwhile, but a hundred million third-world indigents might not be?

    Anyone who believes this is ipso facto racist, nativist, anti-immigrant, and all the other nasty names they call us. This MSM formulation is no accident.

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    • Replies: @Emblematic
    agree
    , @Stan Adams
    It's all right for us to skim the Third World of its talented tenth. No one cares that this ongoing brain drain is hurting the poor countries far more than it's helping the rich ones.

    And it's all right for us to allow those talented tenthers, who generously enrich their First World employers by driving down wages, to bring all of their wonderfully-diverse second cousins and third uncles and fourth grandmothers over here to join them. No one cares that those 80-IQ folks are a huge drain on social services.

    As they say nowadays, it's all good.
    , @27 year old
    >those of us who believe that a modest...

    >Anyone who believes this is ipso facto racist, nativist, anti-immigrant, and all the other nasty names

    As you can see, you have nothing to gain by holding a cucky nuanced position except possibly some smug self satisfaction
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  2. JohnnyD says:

    I think working-class whites, or whites without a college degree, are also more opposed to immigration because they actually have to live with all the diversity inflicted upon the country. It’s kinda hard not to notice when the demographics of your neighborhood or hometown have been completely transformed. And it’s kinda hard to support the candidate who thinks it’s great that many of your neighbors don’t speak fluent English. Trump’s slogan for 2020 should be “did you think we wouldn’t notice?”

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Totally agree! This reminds me of the Boston busing controversy of the 70s which was detailed in a book called "Common Ground" written by the late J. Anthony Lukas and which details how black kids were court-ordered by Federal Judge Arthur Garrity (of affluent Brooklin, MA) to be bused to all-white neighborhoods----all of which were white, working class (Irish and Italian-Americans). This allowed their "betters" in the leafy 'burbs (i.e. Brookline) to wring their hands in feigned agony over the specter of "racism."
    , @Forbes
    Or many of your neighbors don't speak English. Full stop.
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  3. It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

    Almost, but what education today really serves is aspirational identification with ruling class morality: ‘signal like us, if you would entertain the least hope of ever being one of us.’

    Obliviousness to the obvious is mostly a side-effect that helps the less cynical members of the aspiring group attain the requisite mindset.

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    what education today really serves is aspirational identification with ruling class
     
    Kinda. And this is nothing new. Status quo is attractive. Power is attractive.

    What's new: With the wage gap between the status holders and the lower classes growing bigger, it becomes more and more dangerous, to be below status and - more and more attractive to be with the status holders.
    The corrosive moment of this constellation shows maybe most clearly in the nervousness and often times plain stupidity of the SJW.

    And I think of the 400 dollar-question: The FEd asked Americans: Could they pay a 400 dollar emercency bill - and 47% answered: Not from savings - only by selling something or by lending the money.

    Walt-Disney-Biographer and Hollywood expert Neal Gabler last year wrote at length about this sour fact in The Atlantic - describing (not only) h i s perspective!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/

    , @anarchyst
    Catholic Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best..."It is much easier for an "educated" person to rationalize (and accept) evil"...
    , @Pat Boyle
    oblivious to the obvious. That's not quite right. They are aware that they are behaving foolishly but they find virtue in acting stupidly.

    I used to be in public Social Worker in San Francisco in the sixties. I had thought that I was a liberal - probably because I thought that being a liberal was the only proper thing to be. But I observed the real liberals around me and came to realize that I was different.

    Real social workers think it is good to be a dupe. They take pride in never learning the obvious lessons about welfare recipients. The top social worker in our building was the Assistant Director for the whole department. Whenever she heard that there was an 'angry black man' in the building she would rush to the scene. Invariably the guy would punch her out. She was always getting popped by some welfare recipient. She liked to be hit just as the average worker liked to be humiliated.

    Real liberals are a type of flagellants.
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  4. Rod1963 says:

    Trump won because he brought up the issues the GOP refused to since they became partners with the Democrats. Trade, immigration and foreign intervention which had become verboten since 1992.

    Hell the MSM silenced anyone who brought them up – they squashed Lou Dobbs at CNN – now he wears a muzzle on Fox. But these issues were still important to tens of millions whites who were disenfranchised by both parties after NAFTA.

    After NAFTA the GOP and Democrats become effectively one party at the top. Beneath them were the urban Goodwhites/Cloud People who are economically and socially isolated from the crap they are inflicting on the rest of White society. While they hide in their exclusive communities and their kids attend those costly and exclusive private schools.

    Now they’re ready to indict Trump with that escapee from a morgue because he was elected,

    They are so hacked they’re ready to start a civil war.

    Problem is the cloud people/good whites, elites and their academic and media allies have gotten everything wrong in regards to reading the American people in flyover country and any rural area for that matter since Trump announced his campaign.

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    • Replies: @Detective Club
    Amen, Rod1963!

    Romney's 2012 campaign is a lesson about how to stab your base in the back. Romney ran to the right of every GOP candidate on the immigration issue and smoked the Republican field without breaking into a sweat.

    After Romney had sewn up the nomination, President Obama issued his unconstitutional "DACA" executive order in June of 2012 which gave de facto amnesty to "DREAMERS" - - - i. e. illegal alien adults who had entered the country when they were minors. Romney refused to campaign against Obama on DACA - - - you could even say Romney refused to campaign against Obama, period, because Obama was, according to the Washington Post & the NY Times, "a person of color," and to campaign hard against a non-White would have been considered racist by all right-thinking people, not like all the bad-thinking people who live in the boondocks and who are supposed to be secret members of the KKK or inbred hillbillies, looking to commit mass-murder with a shotgun on their off-days from the saw mill. The 2012 Romney general-election campaign was strictly of the RNC vanilla variety. The GOP base stayed home on Election Day, 2012. "Mittens" Romney had put them to sleep or made them comatose.
    https://youtu.be/skAOb_EUE_M
    Trump learned what not to do from Mr. Happy Bow-Tie Romney, the 2012 model. The GOP base turned out for him in 2016, and the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida, on Nov. 8, 2016, were all razor-thin for The Trumpster. It's a great pity that Donald J. Trump seems to be in the process of forgetting what not to do, a la Romney. President Trump has refused to trash Obama's 2012 DACA order. Candidate Trump promised to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Hillary's private e-mail set-up and THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.

    Trump's not stupid. Doesn't he know that when you abandon your base, your base abandons you! Just ask Political Wizard Romney. He turned out to be such a sore loser that he campaigned against Trump and voted for the gay, CIA-run Egg McMuffin, the officially approved Mormon candidate of 2016! But "Mittens" came sniffing around for a White House job when there were White House jobs aplenty to be had in December of 2016!
    , @oddsbodkins
    Cloud people. People who live in the cloud. That's perfect in so many ways.
    , @Anonymous
    Who's the escapee from a morgue?
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  5. I’d love to know how much immigration increased between 2012 and 2016. There was a big increase in the number of immigrants from India and the Middle East in my mid-sized southern city during that time. If this was the case nationwide then surely it played a part in immigration being a bigger deal in ’16 than in ’12. Did immigration become a big deal in ’16 because Trump talked about it or was he reacting to a big increase in immigration and that’s why his message resonated?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I suspect that a lot of Muslim women who were already here in 2012 got themselves all hijabed up by 2016.
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  6. As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012, I would say the biggest thing that happened between 2012 and 2016 that changed my worldview was Ferguson. But also the increasing islamophilia from the Democratic party in the face of more obviously barbaric behavior on the part of muslims was important too.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Partisans underestimate the importance of a good candidate. McCain/Palin was a horrifying combo, and Mitt Romney was embarrassing at best. Naturally Barack Obama was able to walk right over them. Absent term limits he would have dispatched Donald Trump too.

    If the Dems can't come up with a more compelling candidate than Hillary Clinton, they might lose the 2020 election too.
    , @CJ
    LOL you've gone from voting for Obama to posting as Lord Jeff Sessions. Hey I've changed my mind on more than few things too, but that is fast fast progress :^)
    , @Almost Missouri
    Hey Jeff, a while back you said ¡Jeb! was coming to speak at your college, and solicited questions for him.

    Did it happen? Get any questions in? Debrief us?
    , @27 year old
    >As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012,

    And here I was feeling bad that I was volunteering for Ron Paul in 2007-8
    , @Sarah Toga
    Welcome, my brother.
    When I was young I voted for Jimmy Carter. But the other option was Gerald Ford. An all-establishment slate that time.
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  7. Robard says:

    It’s interesting how nobody ever asks about how immigration and affirmative action interact. You are just not supposed to think about how the U.S. keeps importing more people who, as soon as they land, are entitled to racial privileges that come at your expense.

    Worse, affirmative action perversely serves as a driver for specifically third world immigration as employers are looking abroad for talent to fill their quotas because the American pool is too dilute.

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  8. Twinkie says:

    It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

    Or, more likely, the less educated are less insulated from the ill effects of globalization and mass immigration. Indeed, the highly educated segment of the population has done very well economically and socially in the last 25 years in Charles Murray’s Belmont.

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    Working-class whites have seen a huge drop in their standard of living since the early 90s. Also, their life expectancy is falling due to overdoses and suicide. For these reasons, they tend to be heavily opposed to the status-quo establishment politicians.

    It's not surprising that Trump did well with them. Sanders did well with them too, for roughly the same reasons.

    The sad thing is that if we hadn't spent $5 trillion in Iraq, we could've implemented a massive economic industrialization program, as China has done.
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  9. @Jean Ralphio
    I'd love to know how much immigration increased between 2012 and 2016. There was a big increase in the number of immigrants from India and the Middle East in my mid-sized southern city during that time. If this was the case nationwide then surely it played a part in immigration being a bigger deal in '16 than in '12. Did immigration become a big deal in '16 because Trump talked about it or was he reacting to a big increase in immigration and that's why his message resonated?

    I suspect that a lot of Muslim women who were already here in 2012 got themselves all hijabed up by 2016.

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    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    For my part, I consider that unlikely. But more importantly, I consider it amusing.
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  10. @Twinkie

    It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.
     
    Or, more likely, the less educated are less insulated from the ill effects of globalization and mass immigration. Indeed, the highly educated segment of the population has done very well economically and socially in the last 25 years in Charles Murray's Belmont.

    Working-class whites have seen a huge drop in their standard of living since the early 90s. Also, their life expectancy is falling due to overdoses and suicide. For these reasons, they tend to be heavily opposed to the status-quo establishment politicians.

    It’s not surprising that Trump did well with them. Sanders did well with them too, for roughly the same reasons.

    The sad thing is that if we hadn’t spent $5 trillion in Iraq, we could’ve implemented a massive economic industrialization program, as China has done.

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  11. @Kyle McKenna
    The MSM always frame it as "are you pro-immigration (good) or anti-immigration (bad)?

    There's no room for those of us who believe that a modest amount of immigration--of people who are intelligent, productive, perhaps attractive in other ways--might be worthwhile, but a hundred million third-world indigents might not be?

    Anyone who believes this is ipso facto racist, nativist, anti-immigrant, and all the other nasty names they call us. This MSM formulation is no accident.

    agree

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    Incidentally, there is an 'AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC.' button at the bottom of the Unz console.
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  12. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I suspect that a lot of Muslim women who were already here in 2012 got themselves all hijabed up by 2016.

    For my part, I consider that unlikely. But more importantly, I consider it amusing.

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  13. Escher says:

    The Democrats may end up being proven right, if the establishment plans to force out or cripple the Trump presidency succeed.

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  14. Escher says:

    This alignment between partisanship and racial attitudes involved more than attitudes toward black people.

    How about the asking questions about attitudes of non-whites towards whites?

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  15. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Lord Jeff Sessions
    As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012, I would say the biggest thing that happened between 2012 and 2016 that changed my worldview was Ferguson. But also the increasing islamophilia from the Democratic party in the face of more obviously barbaric behavior on the part of muslims was important too.

    Partisans underestimate the importance of a good candidate. McCain/Palin was a horrifying combo, and Mitt Romney was embarrassing at best. Naturally Barack Obama was able to walk right over them. Absent term limits he would have dispatched Donald Trump too.

    If the Dems can’t come up with a more compelling candidate than Hillary Clinton, they might lose the 2020 election too.

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    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Obama was a better candidate and arguably a safer bet than McCain. With Romney, the Republicans ran the guy who made his fortune sending jobs overseas with Bain. I recall reading, perhaps here, that he was BHO's preferred opponent in 2012. Trump excited the same white working class that Romney helped to impoverish. It was entrepreneurial politics, serving a market that wasn't served by either major party.

    For all the criticism of BHO as a mere community organizer, he got his people to vote. 15% of the Ohio vote in 2012 was black, versus 10% of the population. The white working class just couldn't see it to vote for the man who had argued against the bailout of GM when every bank was getting oodles.

    I'd say BHO was less dangerous than either.
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  16. jim jones says:

    I noticed that the TV reporters at the recent tower-block fire in West London had problems finding anyone who could speak English.

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    The fire authorities are also having an arduous time identifying the charred bodies in the burned-out building because many of dead are illegal aliens who have no passports or dental records.

    Right now, fire authorities are saying that "cladding" on the outside of the building caused the fire to spread out of control in the twinkling of an eye, so to speak. They refuse to blame the dangerous Third-World habit of using portable propane stoves for cooking in the bedrooms and well as in the kitchens. Members of the London Fire Brigade have reported multiple small explosions happening throughout the building, leading them to suspect that portable propane stoves were the chief reason for the extreme rapid acceleration of the fire throughout all floors of the building. These firefighters have been told by their superiors to keep their mouths good and shut about the suspected propane stove explanation for the building-wide fire and for the horrendous loss of life.

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  17. It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

    I dropped out of college back in the 1970s for a while and worked manual labor. It was a revelation to me what a breath of fresh air working people were! I found I was much more likely to have interesting conversations with unexpected, original insights, which also seems to go along with humor. Plus they were a lot less complicated and knew how to have a good time.

    I must admit though that they didn’t seem to age very well. Once they had kids they in many cases didn’t seem to know what to do with themselves, and wound up trying to relive their youth, which usually did not work out in a good way.

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    My best friend in college came from an intensely prole construction family- hard fighting, cussing, racist talk flatly contradicted with spending Christmas with a black worker's family- you name it. In literature classes he could discuss circles around everyone else-just brilliant. I still have never met anyone who knew Shakespeare and Medievel Lit like him. He introduced me to working class culture . I went to work sometimes with his father's crew, hung out at his uncle's after work bar. My friend could dive into it or step back and analyze like an anthropology major- it was all the same to him. I can truly say with no rhetorical flourish that it was the most important part of my education, and set me up for a far, far different life than I would have led otherwise.
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  18. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m wondering if the ‘all’ voters are derived- in other words, whether this person just took the average of republican and democrat and called it ‘all’. Seems they come out too close to exactly in the middle between republicans and democrats, when in reality there tends to be more republican voters. If so, the real dot for ‘all’ may well shift further towards the republican side.

    Seems like a bald attempt to isolate out Trump voters and split them from Republicans.

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  19. You are just not supposed to think about how the U.S. keeps importing more people who, as soon as they land, are entitled to racial privileges that come at your expense.

    The key observation of the last 40 years, and probably the next 40.

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    agree

    Incidentally, there is an ‘AGREE/DISAGREE/ETC.’ button at the bottom of the Unz console.

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  21. @Rod1963
    Trump won because he brought up the issues the GOP refused to since they became partners with the Democrats. Trade, immigration and foreign intervention which had become verboten since 1992.

    Hell the MSM silenced anyone who brought them up - they squashed Lou Dobbs at CNN - now he wears a muzzle on Fox. But these issues were still important to tens of millions whites who were disenfranchised by both parties after NAFTA.

    After NAFTA the GOP and Democrats become effectively one party at the top. Beneath them were the urban Goodwhites/Cloud People who are economically and socially isolated from the crap they are inflicting on the rest of White society. While they hide in their exclusive communities and their kids attend those costly and exclusive private schools.

    Now they're ready to indict Trump with that escapee from a morgue because he was elected,

    They are so hacked they're ready to start a civil war.

    Problem is the cloud people/good whites, elites and their academic and media allies have gotten everything wrong in regards to reading the American people in flyover country and any rural area for that matter since Trump announced his campaign.

    Amen, Rod1963!

    Romney’s 2012 campaign is a lesson about how to stab your base in the back. Romney ran to the right of every GOP candidate on the immigration issue and smoked the Republican field without breaking into a sweat.

    After Romney had sewn up the nomination, President Obama issued his unconstitutional “DACA” executive order in June of 2012 which gave de facto amnesty to “DREAMERS” – – – i. e. illegal alien adults who had entered the country when they were minors. Romney refused to campaign against Obama on DACA – – – you could even say Romney refused to campaign against Obama, period, because Obama was, according to the Washington Post & the NY Times, “a person of color,” and to campaign hard against a non-White would have been considered racist by all right-thinking people, not like all the bad-thinking people who live in the boondocks and who are supposed to be secret members of the KKK or inbred hillbillies, looking to commit mass-murder with a shotgun on their off-days from the saw mill. The 2012 Romney general-election campaign was strictly of the RNC vanilla variety. The GOP base stayed home on Election Day, 2012. “Mittens” Romney had put them to sleep or made them comatose.

    Trump learned what not to do from Mr. Happy Bow-Tie Romney, the 2012 model. The GOP base turned out for him in 2016, and the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida, on Nov. 8, 2016, were all razor-thin for The Trumpster. It’s a great pity that Donald J. Trump seems to be in the process of forgetting what not to do, a la Romney. President Trump has refused to trash Obama’s 2012 DACA order. Candidate Trump promised to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Hillary’s private e-mail set-up and THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.

    Trump’s not stupid. Doesn’t he know that when you abandon your base, your base abandons you! Just ask Political Wizard Romney. He turned out to be such a sore loser that he campaigned against Trump and voted for the gay, CIA-run Egg McMuffin, the officially approved Mormon candidate of 2016! But “Mittens” came sniffing around for a White House job when there were White House jobs aplenty to be had in December of 2016!

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    • Replies: @FPD72
    DACA is still with us but Secretary Kelly just killed DAPA. Let's hope the Trump administration turns its attention toward DACA next.

    Like many readers on this site, I've been disappointed with the slow progress that Trump has made on immigration. However, the ship of state has been slowly turning in the right direct. Any other person who was running, with the possible exception of Cruz, would have continued previous immigration policies and various forms of amnesty "full speed ahead."
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  22. It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

    I have to plug it once again, because it seems so relevant to so many topics. When I read the above statement, I though immediately of Jonathan Revusky’s concept of the HIQI (high IQ idiot):

    Now, when it comes to calculus or other academic subjects, we have IQ; we say the higher IQ people do better at school, or at least it comes easier to them. However, the ability to see through the propaganda, bullshit generally speaking, does not seem to have much (if anything) to do with IQ. There are people with a very high IQ who are just completely helpless when it comes to seeing through the propaganda. The technical term for such a person is HIQI, or “high IQ idiot”. The term is not really as contradictory as it seems, since, properly understood, there is another kind of intelligence in play than IQ, that allows people to see through the bullshit. The technical term we shall use for this is BDQ, which stands for Bullshit Detection Quotient. The term “high IQ idiot” does not originate in this essay. A quick google search reveals prior usage here and there, but this essay may be the first to provide a formal definition of the concept:

    A “high IQ idiot” is somebody with a combination of high IQ and very low BDQ. [Emphasis his]

    http://www.unz.com/article/battling-the-matrix-and-freeing-oneself-from-the-roger-rabbit-mental-world/

    Our educational system, unfortunately, seems to specialize in cranking out such ‘wise fools,’ as a critic once called James I of England. I’m beginning to think that our so-called educational system is really just a new system catechism.

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  23. In other words, more than a few white people who voted for Obama in 2012 held views that were too realistic for Hillary in 2016.

    This triggered another memory of another article: here’s a piece by George Packer from the New Yorker way back in October 2008, talking about a depressed town in Ohio that seemed unenthused about McCain:

    Dave Herbert was a stocky, talkative building contractor in an Ohio State athletic jersey. At thirty-eight, he considerably lowered the average age in Bonnie’s. “I’m self-employed,” he said. “I can’t afford to be a Democrat.” Herbert was a devoted viewer of Fox News and talked in fluent sound bites about McCain’s post-Convention “bounce” and Sarah Palin’s “executive experience.” At one point, he had doubted that Obama stood a chance in Glouster. “From Bob and Pete’s generation there are a lot of racists—not out-and-out, but I thought there was so much racism here that Obama’d never win.” Then he heard a man who freely used the “ ‘n’ word” declare his support for Obama: “That blew my theory out of the water.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/10/13/the-hardest-vote

    Of course, I’m sure that n-word man here eventually became disillusioned with Obama after his sell-out to the big banks and health insurance companies and (after probably sitting out the 2012 election) most likely pulled the lever for Trump in 2016. According to Wikipedia, Ohio went twice for Obama before going for Trump: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_Ohio#Elections_from_1864_to_present

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  24. @jim jones
    I noticed that the TV reporters at the recent tower-block fire in West London had problems finding anyone who could speak English.

    The fire authorities are also having an arduous time identifying the charred bodies in the burned-out building because many of dead are illegal aliens who have no passports or dental records.

    Right now, fire authorities are saying that “cladding” on the outside of the building caused the fire to spread out of control in the twinkling of an eye, so to speak. They refuse to blame the dangerous Third-World habit of using portable propane stoves for cooking in the bedrooms and well as in the kitchens. Members of the London Fire Brigade have reported multiple small explosions happening throughout the building, leading them to suspect that portable propane stoves were the chief reason for the extreme rapid acceleration of the fire throughout all floors of the building. These firefighters have been told by their superiors to keep their mouths good and shut about the suspected propane stove explanation for the building-wide fire and for the horrendous loss of life.

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  25. Strategic counter-rhetorical attack:

    Start advocating an immigration policy that welcomes anyone of any background from anywhere in the world as long as they are young, single, childless women.

    Watch the heads explode.

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  26. It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

    And since your cruder snobbery systems use education level as a proxy for class, you get cluelessness-signaling as a (as it happens, pretty ineffective) mating strategy.

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  27. Jake says:

    “It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.”

    Exactly. Modern education is of the Devil.

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  28. @Jack Highlands

    It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.
     
    Almost, but what education today really serves is aspirational identification with ruling class morality: 'signal like us, if you would entertain the least hope of ever being one of us.'

    Obliviousness to the obvious is mostly a side-effect that helps the less cynical members of the aspiring group attain the requisite mindset.

    what education today really serves is aspirational identification with ruling class

    Kinda. And this is nothing new. Status quo is attractive. Power is attractive.

    What’s new: With the wage gap between the status holders and the lower classes growing bigger, it becomes more and more dangerous, to be below status and – more and more attractive to be with the status holders.
    The corrosive moment of this constellation shows maybe most clearly in the nervousness and often times plain stupidity of the SJW.

    And I think of the 400 dollar-question: The FEd asked Americans: Could they pay a 400 dollar emercency bill – and 47% answered: Not from savings – only by selling something or by lending the money.

    Walt-Disney-Biographer and Hollywood expert Neal Gabler last year wrote at length about this sour fact in The Atlantic – describing (not only) h i s perspective!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/

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  29. kihowi says:

    It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.

    It’s almost as if the well educated are almost by definition the kind of people who are very good at just believing and internalizing everything are told. You don’t get very far if your natural instinct is to ask yourself “how could they possibly know that” as you read your text book.

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  30. @Tim Howells

    It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.
     
    I dropped out of college back in the 1970s for a while and worked manual labor. It was a revelation to me what a breath of fresh air working people were! I found I was much more likely to have interesting conversations with unexpected, original insights, which also seems to go along with humor. Plus they were a lot less complicated and knew how to have a good time.

    I must admit though that they didn't seem to age very well. Once they had kids they in many cases didn't seem to know what to do with themselves, and wound up trying to relive their youth, which usually did not work out in a good way.

    My best friend in college came from an intensely prole construction family- hard fighting, cussing, racist talk flatly contradicted with spending Christmas with a black worker’s family- you name it. In literature classes he could discuss circles around everyone else-just brilliant. I still have never met anyone who knew Shakespeare and Medievel Lit like him. He introduced me to working class culture . I went to work sometimes with his father’s crew, hung out at his uncle’s after work bar. My friend could dive into it or step back and analyze like an anthropology major- it was all the same to him. I can truly say with no rhetorical flourish that it was the most important part of my education, and set me up for a far, far different life than I would have led otherwise.

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    To those of us who actually understand race, there is nothing contradictory about being "racist" (e.g., observing that Negroes are predisposed to violent crime and are less intelligent than white people) and spending Christmas with a known Negro and his family who may in fact be decent enough in that context (it hardly means you will permit your daughter to spend the night with them or hire this family as nuclear engineers...).

    This stuff used to be considered normal and relfective only of having eyes to see: Races are different; individuals of races are as well; one should arrange one's affairs accordingly. It never meant twenty-four-seven genocides, animosity, race-riots, and lynchings, for Heaven's sake – all that occurs now, and precisely because common sense, honesty, decency, and sensible freedoms of association have been abandoned.
    , @Dieter Kief
    You managed to leave the bubble.

    German 68er, multi-scientist, ethnologist, sociologist, historian, anthropologist... Hans-Peter Duerr once called this state of mind - with a middle-agean folk-expression about witches: Fence-sitters (haga suzza).

    I think, your friend could have easily bonded with Hans-Peter Duerr. Most easily I guess with his volume Dreamtime - About the Boundaries between Wilderness and Civilization

    This wiki-entry gives an impression:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime_(book)

    Duerr's magnum opus (five volumes) about the mythos of the civilizing process is somewhat reflected in your post as well, but is not translated.

    Just to mention this: Hans-Peter Duerr himself stems from the (Mannheim) working class background.

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  31. anarchyst says:
    @Jack Highlands

    It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.
     
    Almost, but what education today really serves is aspirational identification with ruling class morality: 'signal like us, if you would entertain the least hope of ever being one of us.'

    Obliviousness to the obvious is mostly a side-effect that helps the less cynical members of the aspiring group attain the requisite mindset.

    Catholic Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best…”It is much easier for an “educated” person to rationalize (and accept) evil”…

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    Very sadly, the US Roman Catholic leaders are all-in on replacing White people in the USA. They get tons of money from so-called refugee placement agencies.
    Your tax dollars at work!

    That is what Jorge Dubya Boosh was aiming for with his "faith-based initiatives." Boy did he hit his target.
    The big bullseye is on the backs of Historic Americans.
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  32. FPD72 says:
    @Detective Club
    Amen, Rod1963!

    Romney's 2012 campaign is a lesson about how to stab your base in the back. Romney ran to the right of every GOP candidate on the immigration issue and smoked the Republican field without breaking into a sweat.

    After Romney had sewn up the nomination, President Obama issued his unconstitutional "DACA" executive order in June of 2012 which gave de facto amnesty to "DREAMERS" - - - i. e. illegal alien adults who had entered the country when they were minors. Romney refused to campaign against Obama on DACA - - - you could even say Romney refused to campaign against Obama, period, because Obama was, according to the Washington Post & the NY Times, "a person of color," and to campaign hard against a non-White would have been considered racist by all right-thinking people, not like all the bad-thinking people who live in the boondocks and who are supposed to be secret members of the KKK or inbred hillbillies, looking to commit mass-murder with a shotgun on their off-days from the saw mill. The 2012 Romney general-election campaign was strictly of the RNC vanilla variety. The GOP base stayed home on Election Day, 2012. "Mittens" Romney had put them to sleep or made them comatose.
    https://youtu.be/skAOb_EUE_M
    Trump learned what not to do from Mr. Happy Bow-Tie Romney, the 2012 model. The GOP base turned out for him in 2016, and the margin of victory in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida, on Nov. 8, 2016, were all razor-thin for The Trumpster. It's a great pity that Donald J. Trump seems to be in the process of forgetting what not to do, a la Romney. President Trump has refused to trash Obama's 2012 DACA order. Candidate Trump promised to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate Hillary's private e-mail set-up and THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.

    Trump's not stupid. Doesn't he know that when you abandon your base, your base abandons you! Just ask Political Wizard Romney. He turned out to be such a sore loser that he campaigned against Trump and voted for the gay, CIA-run Egg McMuffin, the officially approved Mormon candidate of 2016! But "Mittens" came sniffing around for a White House job when there were White House jobs aplenty to be had in December of 2016!

    DACA is still with us but Secretary Kelly just killed DAPA. Let’s hope the Trump administration turns its attention toward DACA next.

    Like many readers on this site, I’ve been disappointed with the slow progress that Trump has made on immigration. However, the ship of state has been slowly turning in the right direct. Any other person who was running, with the possible exception of Cruz, would have continued previous immigration policies and various forms of amnesty “full speed ahead.”

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  33. @Rod1963
    Trump won because he brought up the issues the GOP refused to since they became partners with the Democrats. Trade, immigration and foreign intervention which had become verboten since 1992.

    Hell the MSM silenced anyone who brought them up - they squashed Lou Dobbs at CNN - now he wears a muzzle on Fox. But these issues were still important to tens of millions whites who were disenfranchised by both parties after NAFTA.

    After NAFTA the GOP and Democrats become effectively one party at the top. Beneath them were the urban Goodwhites/Cloud People who are economically and socially isolated from the crap they are inflicting on the rest of White society. While they hide in their exclusive communities and their kids attend those costly and exclusive private schools.

    Now they're ready to indict Trump with that escapee from a morgue because he was elected,

    They are so hacked they're ready to start a civil war.

    Problem is the cloud people/good whites, elites and their academic and media allies have gotten everything wrong in regards to reading the American people in flyover country and any rural area for that matter since Trump announced his campaign.

    Cloud people. People who live in the cloud. That’s perfect in so many ways.

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    Our fellow iSteveite the ZMan uses the terms Cloud People, and Dirt People, quite a bit at his excellent blog: http://thezman.com/wordpress/. I don't know if he originated it.
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  34. res says:
    @Detective Club
    The fire authorities are also having an arduous time identifying the charred bodies in the burned-out building because many of dead are illegal aliens who have no passports or dental records.

    Right now, fire authorities are saying that "cladding" on the outside of the building caused the fire to spread out of control in the twinkling of an eye, so to speak. They refuse to blame the dangerous Third-World habit of using portable propane stoves for cooking in the bedrooms and well as in the kitchens. Members of the London Fire Brigade have reported multiple small explosions happening throughout the building, leading them to suspect that portable propane stoves were the chief reason for the extreme rapid acceleration of the fire throughout all floors of the building. These firefighters have been told by their superiors to keep their mouths good and shut about the suspected propane stove explanation for the building-wide fire and for the horrendous loss of life.

    Do you have any references about the propane stoves? The lack of relevant hits on a web search for “london fire propane stove” (I only saw a comment from https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/13/massive-residential-fire-in-london-24-floor-apartment-building-120-units-ablaze/ ) makes me if anything more suspicious (of the authorities). Surely there would at least be some mention of that by people speculating?

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    I have my current London sources, whom I jealously guard under a promise of confidentiality. But I can attest that during the period of 1980-1985 I conducted housing surveys for the US government in NYC with a special emphasis on fire prevention.

    I will never forget one tenement in Crown Heights, Brooklyn that seemed to be occupied exclusively by Moroccans. Even though there were plenty of working electrical outlets, there seemed to be a preference for portable propane stoves everywhere and on all floors. One three-bedroom apartment had a short, squat weirdly depressed Moroccan woman who only spoke fluent French as well as Arabic - - - unlike the rest of the building's residents who seemed to speak only Arabic to me or at me. She was living with about 8 very young children. I saw no men in that particular apartment.

    Well, while I was conducting my survey, I had to rush into one of the bedrooms where the drapes had caught fire thanks to - - - you guessed it! - - - a portable propane stove. I remember shouting "au feu" and tearing a set of blazing drapes from the wall. After the last embers had gone out and what remained of the smoldering drapes lay in ruins on the bare floor boards, I made my kind excuses in French to the Moroccan woman and to the kids and left in a big hurry. I didn't want to be around when another set of drapes went up in flames, thanks to another portable propane stove. It seems that the women in that building were used to cooking in that particular "old-world" fashion. A modern Western-style gas or electric stove was something that they didn't want to learn how to use. They seemed to want to remain as the last of the propane holdouts in Crown Heights!

    I wonder what happened afterwards in that Moroccan tenement. I never heard or read about it burning down. But that was the last housing survey I ever undertook in Crown Heights. So how would I have known if that particular building had made a future appointment with Satan's Own Inferno?
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  35. syonredux says:

    Views of the Consequences of a Majority-Minority Nation

    A more honest way of saying that:

    Views of the Consequences of a Majority Non-White Nation

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    True.
    So much of society is organized to be anti-White in some form or fashion.

    "White people bad, brown people good" is the underlying assumption.
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  36. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @JohnnyD
    I think working-class whites, or whites without a college degree, are also more opposed to immigration because they actually have to live with all the diversity inflicted upon the country. It's kinda hard not to notice when the demographics of your neighborhood or hometown have been completely transformed. And it's kinda hard to support the candidate who thinks it's great that many of your neighbors don't speak fluent English. Trump's slogan for 2020 should be "did you think we wouldn't notice?"

    Totally agree! This reminds me of the Boston busing controversy of the 70s which was detailed in a book called “Common Ground” written by the late J. Anthony Lukas and which details how black kids were court-ordered by Federal Judge Arthur Garrity (of affluent Brooklin, MA) to be bused to all-white neighborhoods—-all of which were white, working class (Irish and Italian-Americans). This allowed their “betters” in the leafy ‘burbs (i.e. Brookline) to wring their hands in feigned agony over the specter of “racism.”

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  37. @res
    Do you have any references about the propane stoves? The lack of relevant hits on a web search for "london fire propane stove" (I only saw a comment from https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/13/massive-residential-fire-in-london-24-floor-apartment-building-120-units-ablaze/ ) makes me if anything more suspicious (of the authorities). Surely there would at least be some mention of that by people speculating?

    I have my current London sources, whom I jealously guard under a promise of confidentiality. But I can attest that during the period of 1980-1985 I conducted housing surveys for the US government in NYC with a special emphasis on fire prevention.

    I will never forget one tenement in Crown Heights, Brooklyn that seemed to be occupied exclusively by Moroccans. Even though there were plenty of working electrical outlets, there seemed to be a preference for portable propane stoves everywhere and on all floors. One three-bedroom apartment had a short, squat weirdly depressed Moroccan woman who only spoke fluent French as well as Arabic – – – unlike the rest of the building’s residents who seemed to speak only Arabic to me or at me. She was living with about 8 very young children. I saw no men in that particular apartment.

    Well, while I was conducting my survey, I had to rush into one of the bedrooms where the drapes had caught fire thanks to – – – you guessed it! – – – a portable propane stove. I remember shouting “au feu” and tearing a set of blazing drapes from the wall. After the last embers had gone out and what remained of the smoldering drapes lay in ruins on the bare floor boards, I made my kind excuses in French to the Moroccan woman and to the kids and left in a big hurry. I didn’t want to be around when another set of drapes went up in flames, thanks to another portable propane stove. It seems that the women in that building were used to cooking in that particular “old-world” fashion. A modern Western-style gas or electric stove was something that they didn’t want to learn how to use. They seemed to want to remain as the last of the propane holdouts in Crown Heights!

    I wonder what happened afterwards in that Moroccan tenement. I never heard or read about it burning down. But that was the last housing survey I ever undertook in Crown Heights. So how would I have known if that particular building had made a future appointment with Satan’s Own Inferno?

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  38. Pat Boyle says:
    @Jack Highlands

    It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.
     
    Almost, but what education today really serves is aspirational identification with ruling class morality: 'signal like us, if you would entertain the least hope of ever being one of us.'

    Obliviousness to the obvious is mostly a side-effect that helps the less cynical members of the aspiring group attain the requisite mindset.

    oblivious to the obvious. That’s not quite right. They are aware that they are behaving foolishly but they find virtue in acting stupidly.

    I used to be in public Social Worker in San Francisco in the sixties. I had thought that I was a liberal – probably because I thought that being a liberal was the only proper thing to be. But I observed the real liberals around me and came to realize that I was different.

    Real social workers think it is good to be a dupe. They take pride in never learning the obvious lessons about welfare recipients. The top social worker in our building was the Assistant Director for the whole department. Whenever she heard that there was an ‘angry black man’ in the building she would rush to the scene. Invariably the guy would punch her out. She was always getting popped by some welfare recipient. She liked to be hit just as the average worker liked to be humiliated.

    Real liberals are a type of flagellants.

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    My best friend from college was a social worker in West Virginia in the 70s. He thought most of his "clients" (the majority were white) were a bunch of lazy bums.
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  39. It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware

    That is not actually true. The educated classes have perfectly good reasons to support immigration – cheap labor being far and away the most obvious. The educated for the most part don’t suffer the consequences. They live in nice towns like Wellesley, Westport and Mountain View, CA where the immigrants are smart Indian doctors and the black people are Ivy league graduates. If I run a restaurant, whom do I want to hire to work in the kitchen – a surly African-American, an entitled drug using white kid, or an eager to please Latino immigrant I can threaten with deportation? Pretty easy choice. Are immigrants driving up crime? Not in towns like Wellesley or Mountain View. Are immigrants stealing educated women away? Not really, and I know plenty of educated white guys who have been quite happy to marry Chinese and Indian women.

    Steve, you’re good at noticing patterns. If you pretend the educated classes are just drones swallowing ideology, you aren’t noticing.

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  40. Forbes says:
    @JohnnyD
    I think working-class whites, or whites without a college degree, are also more opposed to immigration because they actually have to live with all the diversity inflicted upon the country. It's kinda hard not to notice when the demographics of your neighborhood or hometown have been completely transformed. And it's kinda hard to support the candidate who thinks it's great that many of your neighbors don't speak fluent English. Trump's slogan for 2020 should be "did you think we wouldn't notice?"

    Or many of your neighbors don’t speak English. Full stop.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This voter survey is just more proof that the country is broken and the people are still not able to shake the obscene brainwashing.

    America’s accounting standards were loosened from first world standards in 2009 and they have never been restored.

    California hasn’t had a AAA credit rating since 1986 the year of the Reagan amnesty.

    No matter all of the crooked games being played by the central bank global cartel there is only a banana republic financial future ahead for the USA to go along with its banana republic demographics.

    The consequences are here and now. The current dystopia for our middle class is ultimately a knock on effect of what the deep state and the socialists in congress (90% of members) have done in cahoots with the big banks: our extreme national debt load is being paid for via a dramatic decline in living standards.

    The ignoramuses who responded to this voter survey are in a zombie trance. The smart fraction will increase their evacuation rate out of the country.

    Jim Rogers former Soros partner has abandoned the country and just gave another interview on CNBC bragging about his kids speaking mandarin, living in Asia etc. You can say he’s just a rat speculator abandoning ship but he is just following the logic of America’s finances.

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  42. CJ says:
    @Lord Jeff Sessions
    As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012, I would say the biggest thing that happened between 2012 and 2016 that changed my worldview was Ferguson. But also the increasing islamophilia from the Democratic party in the face of more obviously barbaric behavior on the part of muslims was important too.

    LOL you’ve gone from voting for Obama to posting as Lord Jeff Sessions. Hey I’ve changed my mind on more than few things too, but that is fast fast progress :^)

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    Yeah...pretty amazing rapid transition.

    Stories like that give me hope for some of the Millennials I work with.
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  43. “It’s interesting how the less educated tend to be more aware. It’s almost as if education today serves to indoctrinate people to be oblivious to the obvious.”

    Talk about hitting the nail on the head. Methinks we need to stop using a college degree as a marker for being educated or intelligent. I know folks with degrees who are dumb as a bag of hammers. So called statist education is not education, it is indoctrination designed to turn out a complacent, compliant workforce.

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  44. kofi anon says:

    The greater salience of attitudes related to race, ethnicity, and religion arguably derives from a campaign far more focused on immigration and the threat of terrorism than the 2012 campaign was.

    Or, less stupidly, a campaign far more focused on immigration and the threat of terrorism was the result of the greater salience of those issues in 2016. Between the two elections we saw:

    - ISIS capture much of the territory we wasted American blood and treasure taking

    - Europe flooded with refugees and “refugees” (although I don’t know what percentage of the American electorate actually made the connection between the migration crisis and Hillary)

    - BLM riots/cop killings, with Hillary’s tacit endorsement

    - Tsarnaev bros, Orlando, Nice, Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam

    That’s just off the top of my head. Trump just happened to be the only candidate smart enough to realize that basic physical and economic security might be a pretty good platform, and then run with it.

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  45. Seneca says:
    @CJ
    LOL you've gone from voting for Obama to posting as Lord Jeff Sessions. Hey I've changed my mind on more than few things too, but that is fast fast progress :^)

    Yeah…pretty amazing rapid transition.

    Stories like that give me hope for some of the Millennials I work with.

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    I am a millennial but I am much more pessimistic. I had a coworker mention how he was conflicted about the London attacks. On one hand it was blow back from colonialism but on the other...

    The poz is strong and it has many in its grip.
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  46. @oddsbodkins
    Cloud people. People who live in the cloud. That's perfect in so many ways.

    Our fellow iSteveite the ZMan uses the terms Cloud People, and Dirt People, quite a bit at his excellent blog: http://thezman.com/wordpress/. I don’t know if he originated it.

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  47. @Pat Boyle
    oblivious to the obvious. That's not quite right. They are aware that they are behaving foolishly but they find virtue in acting stupidly.

    I used to be in public Social Worker in San Francisco in the sixties. I had thought that I was a liberal - probably because I thought that being a liberal was the only proper thing to be. But I observed the real liberals around me and came to realize that I was different.

    Real social workers think it is good to be a dupe. They take pride in never learning the obvious lessons about welfare recipients. The top social worker in our building was the Assistant Director for the whole department. Whenever she heard that there was an 'angry black man' in the building she would rush to the scene. Invariably the guy would punch her out. She was always getting popped by some welfare recipient. She liked to be hit just as the average worker liked to be humiliated.

    Real liberals are a type of flagellants.

    My best friend from college was a social worker in West Virginia in the 70s. He thought most of his “clients” (the majority were white) were a bunch of lazy bums.

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  48. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Rod1963
    Trump won because he brought up the issues the GOP refused to since they became partners with the Democrats. Trade, immigration and foreign intervention which had become verboten since 1992.

    Hell the MSM silenced anyone who brought them up - they squashed Lou Dobbs at CNN - now he wears a muzzle on Fox. But these issues were still important to tens of millions whites who were disenfranchised by both parties after NAFTA.

    After NAFTA the GOP and Democrats become effectively one party at the top. Beneath them were the urban Goodwhites/Cloud People who are economically and socially isolated from the crap they are inflicting on the rest of White society. While they hide in their exclusive communities and their kids attend those costly and exclusive private schools.

    Now they're ready to indict Trump with that escapee from a morgue because he was elected,

    They are so hacked they're ready to start a civil war.

    Problem is the cloud people/good whites, elites and their academic and media allies have gotten everything wrong in regards to reading the American people in flyover country and any rural area for that matter since Trump announced his campaign.

    Who’s the escapee from a morgue?

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  49. Yak-15 says:
    @Seneca
    Yeah...pretty amazing rapid transition.

    Stories like that give me hope for some of the Millennials I work with.

    I am a millennial but I am much more pessimistic. I had a coworker mention how he was conflicted about the London attacks. On one hand it was blow back from colonialism but on the other…

    The poz is strong and it has many in its grip.

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  50. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012, I would say the biggest thing that happened between 2012 and 2016 that changed my worldview was Ferguson. But also the increasing islamophilia from the Democratic party in the face of more obviously barbaric behavior on the part of muslims was important too.

    Hey Jeff, a while back you said ¡Jeb! was coming to speak at your college, and solicited questions for him.

    Did it happen? Get any questions in? Debrief us?

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    This is what happened:

    LORD JEFF
    Mr. Bush, you’ve charac—

    JEB
    Please call me ¡Jeb!, no need for formality here.

    LORD JEFF
    ¡Jeb!, you’ve characterized undocumented immigration as quote “An act of love.” Shouldn’t such brazen foreign trespassing be called “An act of FUCK?” Because regular Americans are getting fucked.

    (Amid boos, some “deplorable” clapping.)

    JEB
    Please don’t clap.
     
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  51. @Almost Missouri
    Hey Jeff, a while back you said ¡Jeb! was coming to speak at your college, and solicited questions for him.

    Did it happen? Get any questions in? Debrief us?

    This is what happened:

    LORD JEFF
    Mr. Bush, you’ve charac—

    JEB
    Please call me ¡Jeb!, no need for formality here.

    LORD JEFF
    ¡Jeb!, you’ve characterized undocumented immigration as quote “An act of love.” Shouldn’t such brazen foreign trespassing be called “An act of FUCK?” Because regular Americans are getting fucked.

    (Amid boos, some “deplorable” clapping.)

    JEB
    Please don’t clap.

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  52. @Kyle McKenna
    The MSM always frame it as "are you pro-immigration (good) or anti-immigration (bad)?

    There's no room for those of us who believe that a modest amount of immigration--of people who are intelligent, productive, perhaps attractive in other ways--might be worthwhile, but a hundred million third-world indigents might not be?

    Anyone who believes this is ipso facto racist, nativist, anti-immigrant, and all the other nasty names they call us. This MSM formulation is no accident.

    It’s all right for us to skim the Third World of its talented tenth. No one cares that this ongoing brain drain is hurting the poor countries far more than it’s helping the rich ones.

    And it’s all right for us to allow those talented tenthers, who generously enrich their First World employers by driving down wages, to bring all of their wonderfully-diverse second cousins and third uncles and fourth grandmothers over here to join them. No one cares that those 80-IQ folks are a huge drain on social services.

    As they say nowadays, it’s all good.

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    I'm perfectly fine with say, 10,000 or 20,000 immigrants annually, total. But the brain drain you mention is a real dilemma and frankly one more good reason to curtail immigration drastically.

    Utopian imaginings though. Look at all the drama the MSM gins up at the prospect of any improvement at all. Dispiriting to say the least.

    The only way out is through the MSM and their owners, using whatever weapons will work. So long as they control the "conversation" we'll be whistling in the wind.

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  53. @Kyle McKenna
    Partisans underestimate the importance of a good candidate. McCain/Palin was a horrifying combo, and Mitt Romney was embarrassing at best. Naturally Barack Obama was able to walk right over them. Absent term limits he would have dispatched Donald Trump too.

    If the Dems can't come up with a more compelling candidate than Hillary Clinton, they might lose the 2020 election too.

    Obama was a better candidate and arguably a safer bet than McCain. With Romney, the Republicans ran the guy who made his fortune sending jobs overseas with Bain. I recall reading, perhaps here, that he was BHO’s preferred opponent in 2012. Trump excited the same white working class that Romney helped to impoverish. It was entrepreneurial politics, serving a market that wasn’t served by either major party.

    For all the criticism of BHO as a mere community organizer, he got his people to vote. 15% of the Ohio vote in 2012 was black, versus 10% of the population. The white working class just couldn’t see it to vote for the man who had argued against the bailout of GM when every bank was getting oodles.

    I’d say BHO was less dangerous than either.

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  54. @yaqub the mad scientist
    My best friend in college came from an intensely prole construction family- hard fighting, cussing, racist talk flatly contradicted with spending Christmas with a black worker's family- you name it. In literature classes he could discuss circles around everyone else-just brilliant. I still have never met anyone who knew Shakespeare and Medievel Lit like him. He introduced me to working class culture . I went to work sometimes with his father's crew, hung out at his uncle's after work bar. My friend could dive into it or step back and analyze like an anthropology major- it was all the same to him. I can truly say with no rhetorical flourish that it was the most important part of my education, and set me up for a far, far different life than I would have led otherwise.

    To those of us who actually understand race, there is nothing contradictory about being “racist” (e.g., observing that Negroes are predisposed to violent crime and are less intelligent than white people) and spending Christmas with a known Negro and his family who may in fact be decent enough in that context (it hardly means you will permit your daughter to spend the night with them or hire this family as nuclear engineers…).

    This stuff used to be considered normal and relfective only of having eyes to see: Races are different; individuals of races are as well; one should arrange one’s affairs accordingly. It never meant twenty-four-seven genocides, animosity, race-riots, and lynchings, for Heaven’s sake – all that occurs now, and precisely because common sense, honesty, decency, and sensible freedoms of association have been abandoned.

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  55. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Stan Adams
    It's all right for us to skim the Third World of its talented tenth. No one cares that this ongoing brain drain is hurting the poor countries far more than it's helping the rich ones.

    And it's all right for us to allow those talented tenthers, who generously enrich their First World employers by driving down wages, to bring all of their wonderfully-diverse second cousins and third uncles and fourth grandmothers over here to join them. No one cares that those 80-IQ folks are a huge drain on social services.

    As they say nowadays, it's all good.

    I’m perfectly fine with say, 10,000 or 20,000 immigrants annually, total. But the brain drain you mention is a real dilemma and frankly one more good reason to curtail immigration drastically.

    Utopian imaginings though. Look at all the drama the MSM gins up at the prospect of any improvement at all. Dispiriting to say the least.

    The only way out is through the MSM and their owners, using whatever weapons will work. So long as they control the “conversation” we’ll be whistling in the wind.

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  56. This tweet is from July of 2015:

    President Trump offered himself up as a wrecking ball to the GOP ruling class in the GOP presidential primary. The voters in the GOP presidential primary rewarded President Trump for his efforts.

    President Trump offered himself up as a wrecking ball to the corrupt ruling class of the American Empire in the presidential election against Hillary Clinton. The voters in the presidential election, and most especially the Electoral College voters, rewarded President Trump for his efforts.

    WHITES WITHOUT COLLEGE DEGREES — WWCDs — abandoned Hillary Clinton and the Democrats and went with President Trump. The WWCDs in the WOMP states — Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania — rejected the pro-globalization and pro-mass immigration message of Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

    The WWCDs in the WOMP states went with the positive AMERICA FIRST message of President Trump. President Trump had a proud message of pride and patriotism and LOVE for America. The Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) happily supported President Trump.

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  57. @Kyle McKenna
    The MSM always frame it as "are you pro-immigration (good) or anti-immigration (bad)?

    There's no room for those of us who believe that a modest amount of immigration--of people who are intelligent, productive, perhaps attractive in other ways--might be worthwhile, but a hundred million third-world indigents might not be?

    Anyone who believes this is ipso facto racist, nativist, anti-immigrant, and all the other nasty names they call us. This MSM formulation is no accident.

    >those of us who believe that a modest…

    >Anyone who believes this is ipso facto racist, nativist, anti-immigrant, and all the other nasty names

    As you can see, you have nothing to gain by holding a cucky nuanced position except possibly some smug self satisfaction

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  58. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012, I would say the biggest thing that happened between 2012 and 2016 that changed my worldview was Ferguson. But also the increasing islamophilia from the Democratic party in the face of more obviously barbaric behavior on the part of muslims was important too.

    >As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012,

    And here I was feeling bad that I was volunteering for Ron Paul in 2007-8

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  59. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:

    Find and emphasize points of agreement with your brothers and sisters, with your compatriots. Gloss over relatively unimportant differences as much as possible.

    Our enemies will take advantage of any weakness or division they see. Stay focused on the most important goals that we share.

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  60. @yaqub the mad scientist
    My best friend in college came from an intensely prole construction family- hard fighting, cussing, racist talk flatly contradicted with spending Christmas with a black worker's family- you name it. In literature classes he could discuss circles around everyone else-just brilliant. I still have never met anyone who knew Shakespeare and Medievel Lit like him. He introduced me to working class culture . I went to work sometimes with his father's crew, hung out at his uncle's after work bar. My friend could dive into it or step back and analyze like an anthropology major- it was all the same to him. I can truly say with no rhetorical flourish that it was the most important part of my education, and set me up for a far, far different life than I would have led otherwise.

    You managed to leave the bubble.

    German 68er, multi-scientist, ethnologist, sociologist, historian, anthropologist… Hans-Peter Duerr once called this state of mind – with a middle-agean folk-expression about witches: Fence-sitters (haga suzza).

    I think, your friend could have easily bonded with Hans-Peter Duerr. Most easily I guess with his volume Dreamtime – About the Boundaries between Wilderness and Civilization

    This wiki-entry gives an impression:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime_(book)

    Duerr’s magnum opus (five volumes) about the mythos of the civilizing process is somewhat reflected in your post as well, but is not translated.

    Just to mention this: Hans-Peter Duerr himself stems from the (Mannheim) working class background.

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  61. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    As someone who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2012, I would say the biggest thing that happened between 2012 and 2016 that changed my worldview was Ferguson. But also the increasing islamophilia from the Democratic party in the face of more obviously barbaric behavior on the part of muslims was important too.

    Welcome, my brother.
    When I was young I voted for Jimmy Carter. But the other option was Gerald Ford. An all-establishment slate that time.

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  62. @syonredux

    Views of the Consequences of a Majority-Minority Nation

     

    A more honest way of saying that:

    Views of the Consequences of a Majority Non-White Nation

    True.
    So much of society is organized to be anti-White in some form or fashion.

    “White people bad, brown people good” is the underlying assumption.

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  63. @anarchyst
    Catholic Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best..."It is much easier for an "educated" person to rationalize (and accept) evil"...

    Very sadly, the US Roman Catholic leaders are all-in on replacing White people in the USA. They get tons of money from so-called refugee placement agencies.
    Your tax dollars at work!

    That is what Jorge Dubya Boosh was aiming for with his “faith-based initiatives.” Boy did he hit his target.
    The big bullseye is on the backs of Historic Americans.

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