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  1. Liberals on Twitter have been pretty unanimous that punching nazis is good policy. (They obviously think they can judge who qualifies.)

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    And as our host notes above, anyone qualifies who does not conform.

    It's Levittown with a balaclava.
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  2. Berkeley rioters weren’t using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.

    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

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    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @oh its just me too

    The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so
     
    You nailed it. Steve nailed it. This is orchestrated violence from the global elite. Trump is the first president left or right to call that out, I really, really really hope they pursue legal action.

    It is amazing how brazen the global elite/left/neocons are about justifying violence against 'nazis' which apparently encompasses anything left of huff post.

    The moment we defend ourselves they will report 'the storm troopers are marching'

    But I am strangely optimistic. Something makes me feel that they are falling apart/panicking - we have a fight ahead, and it looks like an increasingly violent one. but the rhetoric is empty , full of lies that they know they can't defend so they are using their power/control.
    , @pyrrhus
    If these violent cadres weren't in agreement with the power structure in Berkeley, it would be extremely dangerous for them to attack people...that's why you won't see this in Amarillo...
    , @Neoconned
    Steve -- the IMDb -- Internet Movie Database is shutting down its message forums -- which are VERY much like comments sections on news articles without notice and with only 2-3 weeks warning.....

    Now that Trump is in perhaps they're scared shitless that message forums can or will be used to spread themes that are not "approved" by the people in charge.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/imdb-message-boards-shut-down-why-films-a7562701.html

    , @John Derbyshire, @Crawfurdmuir

    The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.
     
    Indeed. The police stood idly by and watched them do it. Their behavior was like that of a sheriff who let a lynch mob have its way. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out they had orders not to interfere with the rioters.

    The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler's veto now has official standing.
    , @Hubbub

    The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler's veto now has official standing.
     
    There goes another Constitutional Guarantee, the Right of Free Speech, Freedom of Speech down the tubes in the name of public safety. Thus, the dissenters have won the case for No Guaranteed Free Speech. Freedom of Speech without the Will to guarantee it is No Freedom of Speech.
    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    I agree. The Neoreactionaries say that riots and protests are more or less victory laps for these people and I believe they're right. It's a teeth-baring exercise towards the surging alt right, who went from totally obscure in 2014 to everpresent boogeyman in late 2016. Milo to them represented Trump, the alt right, the evil racist whites from flyover country, etc.

    They will keep doing this until they've been defanged. Trump threatening to withhold federal funds will bring these organizations and municipalities to heel very quickly, especially for financially precarious cities in California. Charging violent rioters with a felony riot charge will take care of the rest.

  3. Same with Trigglyprof et al., but without the violence. That’s the odd thing about this “dissent”–or one of the odd things anyway.

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    • Replies: @Perspective
    Speaking of Trigglypuff/proff, here's their evil twin striplypuff. Viewer discretion advised:

    https://youtu.be/Qrwl2kdt3KE
  4. Some conflicts are too fundamental to be resolved by negotiation or by the existing mechanims of dispute resolution–they will have to be settled by war/revolution: 1640s England, 1789 France, 1861 U.S., 1917 Russia. It pains me to see those conditions now becoming increasingly apparent in early 21st Century America and northwest Europe.

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  5. OT
    German Islamists come to BLOWS in row over who is more RADICAL
    ONE of Germany’s most infamous Islamists has been accused of beating up a fellow extremist – in a row over who was the most radical.
    Sat, Feb 4, 2017

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/762943/German-Islamists-fight-radical-salafist-muslim-vogel-abu-hamza

    ***One of these Mulism crazies is a German ex-boxer who was undefeated.
    ***95 comments at the article

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  6. Yes the left feels strong not vulnerable.

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    • Replies: @donut
    Yeah , I felt strong too until that until that bitch knocked my tooth out and then called the cops . But I got shed of her and unlike the left she's paying her own way now.
    , @Olorin
    That's what all those Victim categories are. They are effectively bit buckets/trash caches where the left projects any sense of vulnerability.

    Some serious dissociative behavior being normalized there, btw.

    Not to mention the damage it does to people with real, actual vulnerabilities. For instance, populations with genetically suppressed hopes of succeeding in advanced societies end up carrying not only those burdens, but the left's neatly tailored Vulnerabilities of The Present Moment. (So that the left can feel/be powerful.)

  7. the mask? only to cover the hideous whiteness of there faces, intersectional harmony(KKKrazy glue) is foremost don’t ya know. Remember the eye of soros is upon us he pays those faces behind the mask.

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  8. Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat? What’s been going on for about 25 years now is a political purge accomplished with an implicit threat of violence against dissenters.

    Mostly this consists of petty stuff like vandalism, e.g. slashing the tires of a car with a conservative bumper sticker or stealing yard signs, but now it has moved on to open beatings in public. This is getting to be Red Guards Cultural Revolution kind of stuff.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don’t know what the solution is here.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius

    I don’t know what the solution is here.
     
    Cosmopolis?

    i.e. large cities forming their own polity.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Puerto Rico?
    , @Sean
    Can you pass Starfleet's ultimate test of character? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

    The name is from a 1914 incident, whereby a boat load of Indians were denied entry to Canada and the US.

    Like the young Kirk, we can't win within the situation.

    , @donut
    Their violence is cowardly and insipid . Crack their sculls and in two weeks they will be vying for a job sweeping the floor at Raytheon .
    , @Olorin

    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat?
     
    FWIW, some of that is an artifact of redistricting.

    Where I live was solidly purple for many decades. People voted for individuals as individuals. The Dems didn't like government being subject to voters' will, so they redistricted to harden red/blue lines. My own property went from being represented by an open minded legal immigrant female with strong border control and RKBA voting record...to the usual progtards who couldn't care less how non-locksteppers view the issues.

    This is always coupled with urbanization/suburbanization. I.e., gentrification that makes the liberals rich, keeps dissenters poor, and studiously, viciously marginalizes rural people. And you are right about the political purges, which are a hefty mechanism for impoverishing anyone who disagrees with the Establishment.

    You are absolutely correct IME locally about the "petty stuff like vandalism," also about it moving to more outright violence.

    I was hearing the guys over at TRS talking abut how none of them had ever heard of "Antifa," so it must be new. In Seattle, Portland, Tacoma, Olympia, Eugene, some surrounding pockets, these people have been around for a good 20 years.

    I first heard of them in association with the "black bloc" vandals at the 1999 WTO riots. People who organized genuine/peaceful demonstrations, rallies, and education events there were appalled even then, asking "Who are these people, and where are they coming from?"

    I know a guy who has been tracking their behavior for much of that time. He concurs that there has been an upturn in their intensity as well as attracting sketchier and freakier people.

    Getting to the bottom of who is organizing and funding their "anarchy" would go a long way toward emptying this all out.

  9. @Bill P
    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat? What's been going on for about 25 years now is a political purge accomplished with an implicit threat of violence against dissenters.

    Mostly this consists of petty stuff like vandalism, e.g. slashing the tires of a car with a conservative bumper sticker or stealing yard signs, but now it has moved on to open beatings in public. This is getting to be Red Guards Cultural Revolution kind of stuff.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don't know what the solution is here.

    I don’t know what the solution is here.

    Cosmopolis?

    i.e. large cities forming their own polity.

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    • Replies: @Bill P
    Well, that's what we have now, and it isn't really viable. The cities cause too much trouble.
  10. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so

    You nailed it. Steve nailed it. This is orchestrated violence from the global elite. Trump is the first president left or right to call that out, I really, really really hope they pursue legal action.

    It is amazing how brazen the global elite/left/neocons are about justifying violence against ‘nazis’ which apparently encompasses anything left of huff post.

    The moment we defend ourselves they will report ‘the storm troopers are marching’

    But I am strangely optimistic. Something makes me feel that they are falling apart/panicking – we have a fight ahead, and it looks like an increasingly violent one. but the rhetoric is empty , full of lies that they know they can’t defend so they are using their power/control.

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  11. @Desiderius

    I don’t know what the solution is here.
     
    Cosmopolis?

    i.e. large cities forming their own polity.

    Well, that’s what we have now, and it isn’t really viable. The cities cause too much trouble.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    We have it de facto, but not de jure. Why not make it de jure, like the American colonies were allowed to remove themselves from the British Empire? We can still have a "special relationship"
  12. @Bill P
    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat? What's been going on for about 25 years now is a political purge accomplished with an implicit threat of violence against dissenters.

    Mostly this consists of petty stuff like vandalism, e.g. slashing the tires of a car with a conservative bumper sticker or stealing yard signs, but now it has moved on to open beatings in public. This is getting to be Red Guards Cultural Revolution kind of stuff.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don't know what the solution is here.

    Puerto Rico?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards_(China)

    like the Red Guards in China antifa are mostly young people with a puritanical mindset who are lied to by those in authority into believing that certain categories of other people are dangerous heretics who must be destroyed for the common good

    they think they’re saving the world

    the trick is to somehow get them to realize they are being used – in this case being used by a media owned by the people who make billions from cheap labor and off-shoring who are desperate to stop Trump tearing up NAFTA and GATT

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  14. “Using violence to express and impose political conformity” is most clearly shown in the slogan “Make Racists Afraid Again”. I’ve seen it on signs and chanted in recent protests:

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  15. The latest MSM ignominy.

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    • Replies: @a reader
    Uh-oh, I missed yesterday's post, shame on me!

    PS.Unlike precedent post, no illustration appears on my browser. (firefox)

  16. Coming Up for Air

    It’s a queer thing, I thought, to be known as ‘Mr So-and-so, the well-known anti-Fascist’. A queer trade, anti-Fascism. This fellow, I suppose, makes his living by writing books against Hitler. But what did he do before Hitler came along? And what’ll he do if Hitler ever disappears?

    It was a voice that sounded as if it could go on for a fortnight without stopping. It’s a ghastly thing, really, to have a sort of human barrel-organ shooting propaganda at you by the hour. The same thing over and over again. Hate, hate, hate. Let’s all get together and have a good hate. Over and over. It gives you the feeling that something has got inside your skull and is hammering down on your brain. But for a moment, with my eyes shut, I managed to turn the tables on him. I got inside his skull. It was a peculiar sensation. For about a second I was inside him, you might almost say I was him. At any rate, I felt what he was feeling.

    What he’s saying is merely that Hitler’s after us and we must all get together and have a good hate. Doesn’t go into details. Leaves it all respectable. But what he’s seeing is something quite different. It’s a picture of himself smashing people’s faces in with a spanner. Fascist faces, of course. I know that’s what he was seeing. It was what I saw myself for the second or two that I was inside him. Smash! Right in the middle! The bones cave in like an eggshell and what was a face a minute ago is just a great big blob of strawberry jam. Smash! There goes another! That’s what’s in his mind, waking and sleeping, and the more he thinks of it the more he likes it. And it’s all O.K. because the smashed faces belong to Fascists.

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  17. One of the many Orwellian themes one keeps seeing from the left is the insane idea that antifa SJWs are brave dissenters from the status quo courageously fighting the priests and lords of the status quo like Milo, the flamboyant gay coal-burning Jew.

    One wonders if they all actually believe that or if it’s a conscious lie.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "One of the many Orwellian themes one keeps seeing from the left is the insane idea that antifa SJWs are brave dissenters from the status quo courageously fighting the priests and lords of the status quo like Milo, the flamboyant gay coal-burning Jew."

    If you are an Antifa member who gets a paycheck from The Eyes Of Soros, you are a trillion times more status quo than Milo Yiannopoulos will ever be.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    I've known my share of those types, and they've programmed their lives to stay in a loop that doesn't challenge their world, and that programming includes mini-dramas that reinforce that marginalized feeling.

    In that respect, they're no different than the more extreme Home Church people I casually know.
  18. The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump. Her name is Kiara Robles and she is funny as hell. She did a video in September 2016 where she comes “out” as a Trump supporter. She is wearing a MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat and she hammers Hillary Clinton.

    I watched some of her interviews and she makes it clear that the rioters at UC Berkeley were indeed trying to stop free speech. The rioters were trying to impose political conformity, as Steve Sailer has stated.

    Lesbians come in many different varieties. Three varieties that many patriotic men appreciate are: 1) Trump supporting lesbians; 2) lipstick lesbians who support Trump; 3) smart, intelligent lesbians who can see through the bullshit coming out of the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    This brave young lady Kiara Robles is all three and more. God bless her. I only put the lipstick lesbian bit in there because she put a couple of them in her twitter feed.

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    • Replies: @donut
    "Lesbians come in many different varieties." Really ? From my experience the most common variety is sexually frustrated man hating slags . Munching that carpet out of frustration because they don't know their place .
    , @WowJustWow
    Oh cool! I'm familiar with her Bitcoin/blockchain stuff. Obviously those Bay Area brogrammers maced her because they feel threatened by competent women in technology.
    , @David Davenport
    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump ...

    Good-looking young women who say they're lezzies are just waiting for the right man in their life.
  19. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    If these violent cadres weren’t in agreement with the power structure in Berkeley, it would be extremely dangerous for them to attack people…that’s why you won’t see this in Amarillo…

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  20. @a reader
    The latest MSM ignominy.

    Uh-oh, I missed yesterday’s post, shame on me!

    PS.Unlike precedent post, no illustration appears on my browser. (firefox)

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  21. @Bill P
    Well, that's what we have now, and it isn't really viable. The cities cause too much trouble.

    We have it de facto, but not de jure. Why not make it de jure, like the American colonies were allowed to remove themselves from the British Empire? We can still have a “special relationship”

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    The thing that’s different about Berkeley than most other places that have a UC campus is that Berkeley is physically adjacent to Oakland, and Oakland has long been the Bay Area’s big sea port, going back to the 1860s when it first became the rail hub to bay shipping. (Oakland’s the 5th largest port in the US.)

    Because of the port, Oakland has a history of labor unrest and strikes (longshoremen), large numbers of african-american laborers, a history of communist, anarchist, and other organizers attempting to control these troubles for their own purposes and formenting more troubles.

    UC Berkeley was established in 1868. Probably because of the voting effect when a large university is in a small town, Berkeley is one of the most liberal cities in the US. Early on the government of the city of Berkeley was taken over by liberals. Without the political position of the city government, a lot of the riots that have happened at UCB would have probably turned out very differently.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The thing that’s different about Berkeley than most other places that have a UC campus is that Berkeley is physically adjacent to Oakland,"

    Because Berkeley is right next door to Oakland, that means it's Portland meets Detroit, it's Portroit.
    , @donut
    Yes .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maritime_Union

    https://www.sailors.org/history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Curran

    I've worked for companies with unions and w/o unions . I'll take a union every time . All you white collar middle class f**ks can throw in with management and see where it gets you . No OT , worked like a dog , shitting on those below you and stabbing your colleagues in the back for a chance to get jumped up and do more of the same . It sure beats Bernie's world . The job isn't the problem , it's the managers , the biggest curse on mankind than all the disease carrying rats that ever crawled down a mooring line .

    BTW the former president of the SIU owned a few tow boats and IIRC wouldn't hire union people to work on them .

    The world is a treacherous place , it's dog eat dog . You're a bunch of romantic fools to think any differently . All our founders idealism and noble intentions have only led us back to the Savannah , red in tooth and claw . Life is only a struggle for a brief temporary dominance . Jesus watch the nature channel once in a while .
    , @scrivener3
    Berkeley was always liberal. I think it was more the progressive era influence. Even as late as the 1980's you could go to the law school, one of the best in the nation, for a few hundred dollars a semester. As an out of state student I think I paid under $5,000 with a "scholarship" defraying a lot of that. It was practically socialism in education. Now of course they price a few grand below Harvard, so they can attract loan adverse top students and still get lots of money.

    Funny thing was the town and the gown reversed the way the earth reverses polarity every so often. In the 60's I imagine the town was conservative working class and the University was radical. By the 80's it was young fogeys and old turks; the town was aging hippies and the gown was clean cut STEM Asians out for a career.
  23. @Desiderius
    We have it de facto, but not de jure. Why not make it de jure, like the American colonies were allowed to remove themselves from the British Empire? We can still have a "special relationship"

    Or we could just, you know, enforce the law…

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yes, that's was Lord North's thinking.
    , @donut
    "enforce the law" . The moderates always go under first .
    , @Rod1963
    The problem is in urban locales they are invariably controlled by Democrats and they always tell the cops to stand down when Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc is in town to rumble.

    Even Milo sees and acknowledges this.

    Look what happened at the Trump rally in San Jose, that put a end to Trump holding rallies in that state. The police were told to stand down and let the La Raza thugs beat the shit out of Trump supporters and nothing happened to the pols or that wetback of a chief of police.

    And none of the pro-Trump, alt-right sites want to consider the implications of this. Namely that the Left runs these cities as their personal fiefdoms and don't answer to anyone.

    Look of r all intents and purposes free speech doesn't exist where lots of minorities and Leftists reside. You either censor yourself or get your ass kicked if you speak out in public. This is what we face. get used to it. Get used to the fact these groups have declared war on conservative whites at the behest of the Democratic and globalist promoters.
  24. The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending “evidence” to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

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    • Replies: @res

    violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo.
     
    One word. Gandhi. If you are going to emphasize always you should expect to be called on it. It's doubly funny that the opposition to your example, e.g. MLK, arguably qualifies as a counterexample as well.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo.
     
    Politics itself is violence. Just ask Mao, and (perhaps) George Washington.
    , @whorefinder

    The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.
     
    lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren't real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that.

    And, of course, you're mixing it with the attempt to lie and claim moral equivalency of right and left:

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all group
     
    That b.s. didn't work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won't work now, little fascist.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent."

    They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two.

    And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo. They may not be aware of it. But they are.
    , @map
    Well, if they are not real leftists, then you should have no problem when the military is used to crack down on them...arrests and interrogations should reveal the sources of their funding.

    Guantanamo would be useful for that. We can identify them using missing person's reports.

    This leftist notion that leftwing violence is speech while rightwing speech is violence will not fly. Remember, you are what you do. Your rationalizations are irrelevant. And the government came out with firehoses, truncheons and live ammunition during civil rights, jim crow and George Washington, when rioters went around destroying stuff. Why should these antifa scum not get the "full experience" of their historical heroes if their cause is so just?
  25. The imposition of political conformity goes along with the imposition of White guilt. The globalizers want to concentrate political power as much as possible in European Christian nation-states.

    The globalizers want to restrict even the possibility that citizens could operate freely as independent agents without being constantly herded like sheep by a totalitarian government. With the vote to leave the European Union by Britain and now the election of President Trump, the globalizers have recognized that their plans might be stopped.

    The rodent thugs at Berkeley who attacked the attendees at a political event are most likely operating as paid agents of a globalizer. The globalizers want to prevent any and all alternative viewpoints that might allow political power to be less concentrated. George Soros is a globalizer who has made it clear that he is using the importation of third world invaders as a means to destroy nation-state sovereignty in both Europe and the United States.

    The globalizers know that the imposition of political conformity and the imposition of White guilt is getting much more difficult to achieve. Many people born after 1965, such as the brave young lady Kiara Robles who was pepper sprayed at the Battle of Berkeley, are seemingly immune to the imposition of ideological restraints such as White guilt or political conformity. Kiara Robles seems like she looks at the world in a more structural manner rather than ideological.

    God bless Kiara Robles and the other brave souls at UC Berkeley who were caught up in the mayhem provoked by the globalizers and their paid street thugs.

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  26. The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending “evidence” to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    The Berkeley rioters were leftists. <<This is how concision works.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

    Yeah your tu quoque fallacy in service of leftism is very compelling. Jim Crow’s been gone for 7o years. Berkeley was two days ago.

    That’s reality: Jim Crow violence = ancient history. Violent leftists = current events.

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  27. Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.

    That's one of the reasons I like you, Svigor. You read Corvinus so I don't have to.
    , @donut
    Who gives a f**K about Corvinus' opinion ? He's welcome here all the same .
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting."

    Quite true. Better that windows and heads should be smashed in Berkeley, than that we be permitted to express our opinions free of his dissembling and dishonest commentary.
  28. @Almost Missouri
    Or we could just, you know, enforce the law...

    Yes, that’s was Lord North’s thinking.

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    Not sure what you're driving at here.

    Are you saying, Berkeley rioters = Boston Tea Party?
  29. Diversity is not accepted on colleges , as they ban conservative speakers and resort to violence to keep the status quo…

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    MSM was relatively tolerant of Alt Right and Spencer before Trump won. The idea was to publicize them, associate them with Trump, and shame Trump.

    Alt Right association was to be the downfall of Trump.
    But Trump’s victory turned out to be a sort of vindication of AR.

    So, the MSM line is ‘punch a nazi’.

    Isn’t making threats and encouraging violence against the law?

    Anyway, the media endorsement of punching Spencer sent a message that that is okay and cool.

    Hollywood people are telling people to punch Trump supporters. I thought such was criminal.

    If Mel Gibson said GO PUNCH A ZIONIST IMPERIALIST, he would be charged with ‘hate crime’.

    First, designating Trumpers as ‘nazi’ is slander. Second, telling people to go punch people(regardless of ideology) is illegal.

    There is tacit endorsement by MSM of this climate of intimidation and violence.

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  31. @Corvinus
    The Berkeley rioters weren't representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending "evidence" to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

    violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo.

    One word. Gandhi. If you are going to emphasize always you should expect to be called on it. It’s doubly funny that the opposition to your example, e.g. MLK, arguably qualifies as a counterexample as well.

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    "One word. Gandhi. If you are going to emphasize always you should expect to be called on it. It’s doubly funny that the opposition to your example, e.g. MLK, arguably qualifies as a counterexample as well."

    Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed non-violence. But even their peace rallies had radicals who bashed skulls in response to police action or a lack of sustained progress in their calls for reforms. As a result, British officials and southern law enforcement characterized these men as being agitators and law-breakers.
  32. Steve, I really like that tweet. A concise and devastating reframing. Is there any way someone (Harry Baldwin?) could turn that into a meme?

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    Really? Do you really like it?

    BTW: Do you really mean Harry Baldwin, or do you really mean James Baldwin? Cuz Harry...Harry Baldwin that is...was a pitcher for the NY Giants in 1924. I'm sure you knew that.

    But to answer your question: No, res. James Baldwin can't turn that into a meme.

    The good news is that even if you had gotten it right, your James Baldwin meme reference would have had the comedic quality of a Bazooka Bubblegum wrapper.
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    no, people like this were around since the 1960s - that's how PC was established in the universities in the first place

    i know people who infiltrated groups like that back in the 1980s - the kids were mostly from very secure, well-heeled public sector backgrounds who could take a few years off to be activists because of their family safety net

    the housing crisis is why millenials will eventually come out for Trump - possibly violently

    (not in California but elsewhere)

    , @Neoconned
    Not really.

    Renting is a better option either way. You never really "own" your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors.....

    And then like my neighborhood -- you can have a couple of crackheads move in and within 10 years the entire neighborhood has lost 75% of its value.....

    If you call avoiding that serfdom then I'm a proud serf.
  34. Scott Adams is is pretty sad because he had been promoting Berkeley’s “startup ecosystem” for a long time and now he is no longer safe on campus (and has been told this).

    Also, Twitter is throttling his tweets through a number of different methods. He is upset that the hive mind is smothering any dissent.

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  35. @Corvinus
    The Berkeley rioters weren't representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending "evidence" to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo.

    Politics itself is violence. Just ask Mao, and (perhaps) George Washington.

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  36. Clearly it’s time for all people in leadership positions and professors at Berkeley to take mandatory diversity (of opinion) sensitivity training. This should be a required course for Freshmen as well.

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  37. @Corvinus
    The Berkeley rioters weren't representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending "evidence" to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

    The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that.

    And, of course, you’re mixing it with the attempt to lie and claim moral equivalency of right and left:

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all group

    That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist.

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    "lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that."

    I'm not a leftist. I'm a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley--non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    "That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist."

    All your protestations are belong to us.
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    @Desiderius
    Actually, it's probably this:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/04/the-high-cost-of-a-home-is-turning-american-millennials-into-the-new-serfs.html

    no, people like this were around since the 1960s – that’s how PC was established in the universities in the first place

    i know people who infiltrated groups like that back in the 1980s – the kids were mostly from very secure, well-heeled public sector backgrounds who could take a few years off to be activists because of their family safety net

    the housing crisis is why millenials will eventually come out for Trump – possibly violently

    (not in California but elsewhere)

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  39. @Corvinus
    The Berkeley rioters weren't representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending "evidence" to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

    “The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.”

    They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two.

    And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo. They may not be aware of it. But they are.

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    "They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two."

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    "And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo."

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.
  40. The Berkeley rioters (and others like them), according to Spencer’s formulation:

    They are not Truth speaking to Power. They are Power, speaking.

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    I would reform it as:

    They are not Truth speaking to Power. They are Power, preventing Truth from speaking.
  41. Or maybe they were paid to be there.

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    The ones i knew weren't paid but there were organisations in the background that helped - mainly by publicizing and laying on buses.

    I assume some of the people involved in that side were paid but the activists themselves did it as a kind of extended gap year after college before going into teaching, social work, politics etc.
  42. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    Steve — the IMDb — Internet Movie Database is shutting down its message forums — which are VERY much like comments sections on news articles without notice and with only 2-3 weeks warning…..

    Now that Trump is in perhaps they’re scared shitless that message forums can or will be used to spread themes that are not “approved” by the people in charge.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/imdb-message-boards-shut-down-why-films-a7562701.html

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  43. @Desiderius
    Actually, it's probably this:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/04/the-high-cost-of-a-home-is-turning-american-millennials-into-the-new-serfs.html

    Not really.

    Renting is a better option either way. You never really “own” your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors…..

    And then like my neighborhood — you can have a couple of crackheads move in and within 10 years the entire neighborhood has lost 75% of its value…..

    If you call avoiding that serfdom then I’m a proud serf.

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    • Replies: @Cortes
    The planned trashing of owner occupied residential areas has a long and ignoble (but profitable) history. In a previous life it was an onerous part of the job I did to listen to tales of woe from retirees whose homes had lost 80% of their value in the course of a year. Some local governments were alive to the facts but most didn't care. A junkie tenant here, neighbour sells for a song to the developer landlord who installs another fine tenant etc. Once cleansed of decent people, kerching!

    Gentrification!
    , @Kyle McKenna
    Not to mention, Obama's AFFH initiatives were expressly designed as 'block-busting' mechanisms to destroy any and all majority-white neighborhoods which were previously safe and civilised.

    Needless to add, certain 'white' neighborhoods like Chappaqua, the Hamptons, Palm Beach, Marin and Montecito will remain forever inviolate. The NYT was delightfully taken to task by its own readership for neglecting this pesky detail during its 'fair-housing' yammering.

    , @David Davenport
    ... You never really “own” your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors…..

    So, you don't think that your landlord pays property taxes on the rental property you inhabit?
  44. The first rule of the social fabric: no use of violence to express political dissent

    But the original Sons of Liberty, the Boston Tea Party, and the entire American Revolution/War of Independence used violence to express political dissent.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don’t know what the solution is here.

    Declare Afghanistan to be a penal colony of the USA, and sentence criminals, including Leftist criminals, to do time there. We might finally get some benefit out of Afghanistan that way.

    80) !

    I don’t know what the solution is here.

    Cosmopolis?

    i.e. large cities forming their own polity.

    Sort of like former South Slavia?

    I don’t think any large American city could function without big infusions of money from the Federal treasury. Besides, it would be hard to prevent denizens of large US cities from infiltrating into wholesome parts of America.

    Afghan penal colony is a better solution. Further Balkanization of the USA is a bad idea.

    E Pluribus Unum for America.

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  45. @Almost Missouri
    Or we could just, you know, enforce the law...

    “enforce the law” . The moderates always go under first .

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  46. … i.e. large cities forming their own polity.

    Large American cities would be smaller if all the illegales were sent home.

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  47. WTF Sailer ? Once again you fail to pass the comments of your most perspicuous commenter . I would kick you from my friends list but you’re not in Steam are you ? Well in any case I blow my nose at you and fart in your general direction .

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    • Replies: @donut
    BTW I think that Micheal Palin had about the best job a man could have . He's been all over the world on the BBC's dime . Check him out on youtube . Maybe Terry Jones , it's a close call . Of course frontotemporal dementia probably sucks so I guess I would have to go with Palin . Once Michael Woods was in the running , but he's a prog fairy and so ...
    , @Anonym
    Isn't it time you visited Club Meds?
  48. @Bill P
    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat? What's been going on for about 25 years now is a political purge accomplished with an implicit threat of violence against dissenters.

    Mostly this consists of petty stuff like vandalism, e.g. slashing the tires of a car with a conservative bumper sticker or stealing yard signs, but now it has moved on to open beatings in public. This is getting to be Red Guards Cultural Revolution kind of stuff.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don't know what the solution is here.

    Can you pass Starfleet’s ultimate test of character? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

    The name is from a 1914 incident, whereby a boat load of Indians were denied entry to Canada and the US.

    Like the young Kirk, we can’t win within the situation.

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    Yes, but Kirk drew the wrong lesson from his experience. He cheated on the test and was rewarded with a commendation for original thinking. "I don't believe in a no-win scenario," he says.

    SPOILER ALERT FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER ROCKS SINCE 1982

    But then Spock, Kirk's dearest friend, sacrifices himself to save the ship. Kirk realizes that he's cheated and tricked his way out of various sticky situations over the years, but never has faced death head-on. He finds that, even at his age, there are some fundamental truths that he has yet to discover and absorb.

    "I know nothing," he tells his son.

    His final words, as he gazes at the planet where his friend will rest eternally*: "I feel young."

    *Or until the next movie, whichever comes first.

  49. @donut
    WTF Sailer ? Once again you fail to pass the comments of your most perspicuous commenter . I would kick you from my friends list but you're not in Steam are you ? Well in any case I blow my nose at you and fart in your general direction .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xibNKUR6kNU

    BTW I think that Micheal Palin had about the best job a man could have . He’s been all over the world on the BBC’s dime . Check him out on youtube . Maybe Terry Jones , it’s a close call . Of course frontotemporal dementia probably sucks so I guess I would have to go with Palin . Once Michael Woods was in the running , but he’s a prog fairy and so …

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  50. OT,

    I strongly suspect that stay the judge used to halt Trump’s executive order limiting travel from the seven countries was something that was pre-canned. I am sure that there are similar judges that have already written or contemplated a challenge to DACA when that is revoked. That card just has not been played yet. The left is going to fight every inch of the way on immigration and probably everything else and they will lead using the media and the courts. the shock troops rioting are just thrown in for good measure.

    I also suspect the left will rue the day they did this. By opposing every reasonable measure on immigration, they open up the door for much harsher measures. As this fight devolves into a scrum it will start to effect even the more sympathetic immigrant groups, both legal and illegal. Trump, and the majority of the population that supports fewer immigrants, will keep taking a bite out of the pro-immigration coalition until they become like an apple core. The pro-immigration side has a NATO like response where an attack against one is an attack on all members but they risk using up their good will and political capital in these initial battles that they will need for later on when more potent measures such as electronic workplace verification and secure ID comes up. Opposing deportation of criminal aliens and Muslim colonizers is not the most prudent strategy but is might be unavoidable. Their coalition is too diverse and unwieldy and therefore unable to change tactics once the fray has started.

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  51. You know Sailer that when I’m not agreeing with you my next best pleasure , besides killing my friends in Red Orchestra 2 is insulting you . The best part is when your fans take me seriously . Baldy .

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  52. @res

    violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo.
     
    One word. Gandhi. If you are going to emphasize always you should expect to be called on it. It's doubly funny that the opposition to your example, e.g. MLK, arguably qualifies as a counterexample as well.

    “One word. Gandhi. If you are going to emphasize always you should expect to be called on it. It’s doubly funny that the opposition to your example, e.g. MLK, arguably qualifies as a counterexample as well.”

    Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed non-violence. But even their peace rallies had radicals who bashed skulls in response to police action or a lack of sustained progress in their calls for reforms. As a result, British officials and southern law enforcement characterized these men as being agitators and law-breakers.

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    Eschew does not mean what I think you think it means.
  53. @whorefinder

    The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.
     
    lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren't real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that.

    And, of course, you're mixing it with the attempt to lie and claim moral equivalency of right and left:

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all group
     
    That b.s. didn't work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won't work now, little fascist.

    “lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that.”

    I’m not a leftist. I’m a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley–non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    “That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist.”

    All your protestations are belong to us.

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    "I’m not a leftist. I’m a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?)"

    You are a male. Not a man. I pity your children.

    "......who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics."

    Fine - make up your own mind. Stop trying to make up ours. A lot of us have made up our minds that people like you are our enemy.
    , @whorefinder

    I’m not a leftist.
     
    lol. Methinks the paid shill doth protest too much.

    There were two groups at Berkeley–non-violent protestors and violent protestors.
     
    Rofl. There was one group: you leftists. Acting like the violent thugs you are.

    And now we're going to start punching back twice as hard, little fascist.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    No matter how you want to divest yourself from the Leftist agitators, you can't. They're making your bed for you so the truth is, you might as well choose your side if you care for your children. Or you can continue to pretend to be moderate and be torn away "in the middle."

    The simple truth is that this isn't the sign of the "fringes" getting smaller. Its the signal, as it was in the past, of the middle getting vastly smaller and fringes existing one way or another.

    No skin off my back.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I’m not a leftist.
     
    You might as well be.

    I’m a white American male......
     
    "Male"? That's a strange, emasculated way for a man to describe himself.

    .........who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.
     
    And so are we. And a lot of us have decided that people like you are contemptible fools.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I’m not a leftist.
     
    You might as well be.

    I’m a white American male……
     
    “Male”? That’s a strange, emasculated way for a man to describe himself.

    ………who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.
     
    And so are we. And we reject the foolish and self-destructive course people like you have taken.
  54. @George Orwell
    Coming Up for Air

    It’s a queer thing, I thought, to be known as ‘Mr So-and-so, the well-known anti-Fascist’. A queer trade, anti-Fascism. This fellow, I suppose, makes his living by writing books against Hitler. But what did he do before Hitler came along? And what’ll he do if Hitler ever disappears?
    ...
    It was a voice that sounded as if it could go on for a fortnight without stopping. It’s a ghastly thing, really, to have a sort of human barrel-organ shooting propaganda at you by the hour. The same thing over and over again. Hate, hate, hate. Let’s all get together and have a good hate. Over and over. It gives you the feeling that something has got inside your skull and is hammering down on your brain. But for a moment, with my eyes shut, I managed to turn the tables on him. I got inside his skull. It was a peculiar sensation. For about a second I was inside him, you might almost say I was him. At any rate, I felt what he was feeling.
    ...
    What he’s saying is merely that Hitler’s after us and we must all get together and have a good hate. Doesn’t go into details. Leaves it all respectable. But what he’s seeing is something quite different. It’s a picture of himself smashing people’s faces in with a spanner. Fascist faces, of course. I know that’s what he was seeing. It was what I saw myself for the second or two that I was inside him. Smash! Right in the middle! The bones cave in like an eggshell and what was a face a minute ago is just a great big blob of strawberry jam. Smash! There goes another! That’s what’s in his mind, waking and sleeping, and the more he thinks of it the more he likes it. And it’s all O.K. because the smashed faces belong to Fascists.

    Thanks.

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  55. @Mr. Anon
    "The Berkeley rioters weren’t representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent."

    They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two.

    And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo. They may not be aware of it. But they are.

    “They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two.”

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    “And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo.”

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

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    "They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted."

    But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren't. There were only leftists.

    The fact is I don't consider them to be my countrymen. They consider ME to be their enemy, so f**k 'em. You keep your definitions to yourself.

    "These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting."

    They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. You are a nitwit and a fool - or a liar.
    , @JeremiahJohnbalaya
    These [the rioters] Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    New definition of "dissent"... to violently shut down a speech, physically attack one's political opponents, and smashing up private property.

    , @Paco Wové
    "These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. "

    No, they weren't. They were employing violence to shut down the free speech of an invited guest who had nothing to do with any governmental policy.
    , @Jefferson
    "These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy."

    Milo Yiannopoulos is not employed by The U.S government, he is a private citizen. So Antifa were not standing up to a government entity, they were just trying to shut down a private citizen's 1st amendment rights.

    Antifa are communists, hence why they believe only their own political views should be considered legal protected speech. Not only is that a communist way of thinking but it's also an elitist way of thinking.
    , @Mr. Anon

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.
     
    But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren’t. There were only leftists.

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.
     
    They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. That doesn't exactly make them the underdog, does it? And the SLA, the Weatherman Underground, the Baader-Meinhof Gang - they were all "clearly dissenting" too.
  56. @Neoconned
    Not really.

    Renting is a better option either way. You never really "own" your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors.....

    And then like my neighborhood -- you can have a couple of crackheads move in and within 10 years the entire neighborhood has lost 75% of its value.....

    If you call avoiding that serfdom then I'm a proud serf.

    The planned trashing of owner occupied residential areas has a long and ignoble (but profitable) history. In a previous life it was an onerous part of the job I did to listen to tales of woe from retirees whose homes had lost 80% of their value in the course of a year. Some local governments were alive to the facts but most didn’t care. A junkie tenant here, neighbour sells for a song to the developer landlord who installs another fine tenant etc. Once cleansed of decent people, kerching!

    Gentrification!

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  57. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.
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  58. “Berkeley rioters weren’t using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.”

    The Left wants political monolithic confirmity in a nation of over 326 million people. Good luck with that Left.

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  59. @AndrewR
    One of the many Orwellian themes one keeps seeing from the left is the insane idea that antifa SJWs are brave dissenters from the status quo courageously fighting the priests and lords of the status quo like Milo, the flamboyant gay coal-burning Jew.

    One wonders if they all actually believe that or if it's a conscious lie.

    “One of the many Orwellian themes one keeps seeing from the left is the insane idea that antifa SJWs are brave dissenters from the status quo courageously fighting the priests and lords of the status quo like Milo, the flamboyant gay coal-burning Jew.”

    If you are an Antifa member who gets a paycheck from The Eyes Of Soros, you are a trillion times more status quo than Milo Yiannopoulos will ever be.

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  60. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    Indeed. The police stood idly by and watched them do it. Their behavior was like that of a sheriff who let a lynch mob have its way. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out they had orders not to interfere with the rioters.

    The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler’s veto now has official standing.

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    "The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler’s veto now has official standing."

    The mayor of Berkeley has no emotional attachment towards the 1st amendment because he is Mexican and the 1st amendment was invented by men with English blood pumping through their hearts. There is no English blood pumping through the heart of Berkeley's Mexican mayor.

  61. @res
    Steve, I really like that tweet. A concise and devastating reframing. Is there any way someone (Harry Baldwin?) could turn that into a meme?

    Really? Do you really like it?

    BTW: Do you really mean Harry Baldwin, or do you really mean James Baldwin? Cuz Harry…Harry Baldwin that is…was a pitcher for the NY Giants in 1924. I’m sure you knew that.

    But to answer your question: No, res. James Baldwin can’t turn that into a meme.

    The good news is that even if you had gotten it right, your James Baldwin meme reference would have had the comedic quality of a Bazooka Bubblegum wrapper.

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    That was fascinating. In case it was somebody actually trying to be coherent, here's who I meant: http://www.unz.com/isteve/we-the-new-people/

    P.S. Maybe not so random. NeonBets, you haven't been commenting much lately. Were you annoyed by my response to you a couple of weeks ago or something? http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-self-awareness/#comment-1729710

  62. @anonymous
    The thing that's different about Berkeley than most other places that have a UC campus is that Berkeley is physically adjacent to Oakland, and Oakland has long been the Bay Area's big sea port, going back to the 1860s when it first became the rail hub to bay shipping. (Oakland's the 5th largest port in the US.)

    Because of the port, Oakland has a history of labor unrest and strikes (longshoremen), large numbers of african-american laborers, a history of communist, anarchist, and other organizers attempting to control these troubles for their own purposes and formenting more troubles.

    UC Berkeley was established in 1868. Probably because of the voting effect when a large university is in a small town, Berkeley is one of the most liberal cities in the US. Early on the government of the city of Berkeley was taken over by liberals. Without the political position of the city government, a lot of the riots that have happened at UCB would have probably turned out very differently.

    “The thing that’s different about Berkeley than most other places that have a UC campus is that Berkeley is physically adjacent to Oakland,”

    Because Berkeley is right next door to Oakland, that means it’s Portland meets Detroit, it’s Portroit.

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  63. @Mr. Anon
    The Berkeley rioters (and others like them), according to Spencer's formulation:

    They are not Truth speaking to Power. They are Power, speaking.

    I would reform it as:

    They are not Truth speaking to Power. They are Power, preventing Truth from speaking.

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    Or, to put it more concisely: Speaking Power to Truth
    , @Mr. Anon
    Spencer's wording is more elegant, and therefore better.
  64. @Svigor
    Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.

    Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.

    That’s one of the reasons I like you, Svigor. You read Corvinus so I don’t have to.

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  65. @donut
    WTF Sailer ? Once again you fail to pass the comments of your most perspicuous commenter . I would kick you from my friends list but you're not in Steam are you ? Well in any case I blow my nose at you and fart in your general direction .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xibNKUR6kNU

    Isn’t it time you visited Club Meds?

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    Oh , what a funny guy . I can appreciate any good humour even at my expense , but that is some weak ass shit . "The Club was started in 1950 by former Belgian water polo champion Gérard Blitz."

    A friend of mine went to a Club Med "resort" on his honeymoon . His bride got cracked in the head by a mast from one of those little one man sail boats . She had a headache for the rest of their honeymoon . Bad sign , no ?

    I make fun at their expense but they were both descent people , unlike yours truly . Mock me all you want just try to do better .
  66. @Corvinus
    "They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two."

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    "And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo."

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    “They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.”

    But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren’t. There were only leftists.

    The fact is I don’t consider them to be my countrymen. They consider ME to be their enemy, so f**k ‘em. You keep your definitions to yourself.

    “These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.”

    They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. You are a nitwit and a fool – or a liar.

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  67. @Charles Pewitt
    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump. Her name is Kiara Robles and she is funny as hell. She did a video in September 2016 where she comes "out" as a Trump supporter. She is wearing a MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat and she hammers Hillary Clinton.

    https://twitter.com/kiarafrobles/status/773294101504548864

    I watched some of her interviews and she makes it clear that the rioters at UC Berkeley were indeed trying to stop free speech. The rioters were trying to impose political conformity, as Steve Sailer has stated.

    Lesbians come in many different varieties. Three varieties that many patriotic men appreciate are: 1) Trump supporting lesbians; 2) lipstick lesbians who support Trump; 3) smart, intelligent lesbians who can see through the bullshit coming out of the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    This brave young lady Kiara Robles is all three and more. God bless her. I only put the lipstick lesbian bit in there because she put a couple of them in her twitter feed.

    “Lesbians come in many different varieties.” Really ? From my experience the most common variety is sexually frustrated man hating slags . Munching that carpet out of frustration because they don’t know their place .

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  68. anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @eah
    Or maybe they were paid to be there.

    The ones i knew weren’t paid but there were organisations in the background that helped – mainly by publicizing and laying on buses.

    I assume some of the people involved in that side were paid but the activists themselves did it as a kind of extended gap year after college before going into teaching, social work, politics etc.

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  69. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler’s veto now has official standing.

    There goes another Constitutional Guarantee, the Right of Free Speech, Freedom of Speech down the tubes in the name of public safety. Thus, the dissenters have won the case for No Guaranteed Free Speech. Freedom of Speech without the Will to guarantee it is No Freedom of Speech.

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  70. Yes but it’s more than that. It’s territorial behavior. Many of their chants are variations of “not here”, as in, you can’t assemble here, you can’t wear your colors here, you can’t speak freely here. It isn’t as much about shutting up the speaker as preventing people from hearing him and, above all, assembling in safety as a heretical sect. I try to tease people that they sound like the stereotypical Southern sheriff saying “not in this town, boy”, but they haven’t the historical, or any, awareness.
    “Don’t let the sun set on you in this town, Trumper.”

    I’m trying to find a post I read somewhere pointing this out to credit the guy, because I think he’s dead-on.

    In Portland I’ve heard relatively apolitical people express astonishment at, for one instance, a small group of pro-Trump Portland State students attempting to rally near the school. They had already had a small gathering interrupted by a group of “snowflake” type co-eds led by one very thuggish older employee of the school. The sense I got from the anti-Trump people I spoke to there was their sense of outrage that the kids would attempt any such thing here. That was last May.

    It’s only gotten worse, of course. The hardcore protesters, the antifa, are striving to become something like SA paramilitaries to go with the legal and political resistance of the Establishment.
    Fun times.

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  71. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38867961

    Another variation on your Statue of Liberty theme: Der Spiegel has depicted Trump beheading the Statue. Seemingly drawn from the Julius Streicher tradition of crude propaganda.

    I read a selection of German news articles from the well-known newspapers every day to try and help me learn the language, and the Trump hysteria really is something to behold. There is obviously a lot of negative coverage in my own native Britain it is also not too hard to find articles arguing that liberals have got the reality check that they deserved, or that we need to be pragmatic and get on with him now that he’s been elected. There is none of that in any German newspaper as far as I can tell.

    It’s telling that they chose to show Trump commiting an atrocity in what we have come to regard as the most quintessentially Islamic way: the beheading. It is almost as if beneath all their protestations of Islam meaning ‘peace’ and talk of Islamic golden ages of culture and civility that put us Christian brutes to shame, there is a dull awareness which they have banished to the shadows in the corners of their minds of the reality of what Islam is and what Merkel has done.

    Never mind Trump metaphorically beheading liberty. Germany has just imported as whole future of the real thing.

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  72. @Charles Pewitt
    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump. Her name is Kiara Robles and she is funny as hell. She did a video in September 2016 where she comes "out" as a Trump supporter. She is wearing a MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat and she hammers Hillary Clinton.

    https://twitter.com/kiarafrobles/status/773294101504548864

    I watched some of her interviews and she makes it clear that the rioters at UC Berkeley were indeed trying to stop free speech. The rioters were trying to impose political conformity, as Steve Sailer has stated.

    Lesbians come in many different varieties. Three varieties that many patriotic men appreciate are: 1) Trump supporting lesbians; 2) lipstick lesbians who support Trump; 3) smart, intelligent lesbians who can see through the bullshit coming out of the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    This brave young lady Kiara Robles is all three and more. God bless her. I only put the lipstick lesbian bit in there because she put a couple of them in her twitter feed.

    Oh cool! I’m familiar with her Bitcoin/blockchain stuff. Obviously those Bay Area brogrammers maced her because they feel threatened by competent women in technology.

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  73. @Corvinus
    "lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that."

    I'm not a leftist. I'm a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley--non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    "That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist."

    All your protestations are belong to us.

    “I’m not a leftist. I’m a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?)”

    You are a male. Not a man. I pity your children.

    “……who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.”

    Fine – make up your own mind. Stop trying to make up ours. A lot of us have made up our minds that people like you are our enemy.

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  74. @Corvinus
    "lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that."

    I'm not a leftist. I'm a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley--non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    "That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist."

    All your protestations are belong to us.

    I’m not a leftist.

    lol. Methinks the paid shill doth protest too much.

    There were two groups at Berkeley–non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    Rofl. There was one group: you leftists. Acting like the violent thugs you are.

    And now we’re going to start punching back twice as hard, little fascist.

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  75. @anonymous
    The thing that's different about Berkeley than most other places that have a UC campus is that Berkeley is physically adjacent to Oakland, and Oakland has long been the Bay Area's big sea port, going back to the 1860s when it first became the rail hub to bay shipping. (Oakland's the 5th largest port in the US.)

    Because of the port, Oakland has a history of labor unrest and strikes (longshoremen), large numbers of african-american laborers, a history of communist, anarchist, and other organizers attempting to control these troubles for their own purposes and formenting more troubles.

    UC Berkeley was established in 1868. Probably because of the voting effect when a large university is in a small town, Berkeley is one of the most liberal cities in the US. Early on the government of the city of Berkeley was taken over by liberals. Without the political position of the city government, a lot of the riots that have happened at UCB would have probably turned out very differently.

    Yes .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maritime_Union

    https://www.sailors.org/history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Curran

    I’ve worked for companies with unions and w/o unions . I’ll take a union every time . All you white collar middle class f**ks can throw in with management and see where it gets you . No OT , worked like a dog , shitting on those below you and stabbing your colleagues in the back for a chance to get jumped up and do more of the same . It sure beats Bernie’s world . The job isn’t the problem , it’s the managers , the biggest curse on mankind than all the disease carrying rats that ever crawled down a mooring line .

    BTW the former president of the SIU owned a few tow boats and IIRC wouldn’t hire union people to work on them .

    The world is a treacherous place , it’s dog eat dog . You’re a bunch of romantic fools to think any differently . All our founders idealism and noble intentions have only led us back to the Savannah , red in tooth and claw . Life is only a struggle for a brief temporary dominance . Jesus watch the nature channel once in a while .

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  76. @Corvinus
    "They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two."

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    "And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo."

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    These [the rioters] Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    New definition of “dissent”… to violently shut down a speech, physically attack one’s political opponents, and smashing up private property.

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  77. @Corvinus
    The Berkeley rioters weren't representative of those on the right and left who observe the rule of law when politically organizing dissent.

    The Berkeley rioters employed violence similar to any and all groups, past and present, who wish to alienate and agitate as their primary goal, lending "evidence" to their detractors that the entire movement is rife with violent revolutionaries.

    However, violence has ALWAYS been used as the vehicle to express political dissent in order to make radical change something or to ensure the preservation of the status quo. Refer to the southern white Jim Crow supporters during the Civil Rights Movement.

    Well, if they are not real leftists, then you should have no problem when the military is used to crack down on them…arrests and interrogations should reveal the sources of their funding.

    Guantanamo would be useful for that. We can identify them using missing person’s reports.

    This leftist notion that leftwing violence is speech while rightwing speech is violence will not fly. Remember, you are what you do. Your rationalizations are irrelevant. And the government came out with firehoses, truncheons and live ammunition during civil rights, jim crow and George Washington, when rioters went around destroying stuff. Why should these antifa scum not get the “full experience” of their historical heroes if their cause is so just?

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    "And the government came out with firehoses, truncheons and live ammunition during civil rights, jim crow and George Washington, when rioters went around destroying stuff."

    In a number of instances, Civil Rights protesters in the 1950's and 1960's were simply marching peacefully when the riot police came out in full force because they knew it was safe for them to do so.
  78. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Muslim radicals, unleashed by chaos caused by globalist-imperialism, go around beheading people, but Trump is the ‘terrorist’ for wanting to stop aiding Jihadis in Syria and ending the flow of dangerous Muslims to the West.

    It is as if the globalist-imperialists know that the Invite is their ticket to Invade. By fawning over ‘poor Muslim refugees’ in the West can they keep justifying their meddling in the Middle East. And even though these Muslims know that the West is responsible for much of the chaos in the Middle East, they play along with the narrative since they want easier lives in the West.

    I wonder who runs Der Spiegel.

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  79. @Sean
    Can you pass Starfleet's ultimate test of character? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru

    The name is from a 1914 incident, whereby a boat load of Indians were denied entry to Canada and the US.

    Like the young Kirk, we can't win within the situation.

    Yes, but Kirk drew the wrong lesson from his experience. He cheated on the test and was rewarded with a commendation for original thinking. “I don’t believe in a no-win scenario,” he says.

    SPOILER ALERT FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING UNDER ROCKS SINCE 1982

    But then Spock, Kirk’s dearest friend, sacrifices himself to save the ship. Kirk realizes that he’s cheated and tricked his way out of various sticky situations over the years, but never has faced death head-on. He finds that, even at his age, there are some fundamental truths that he has yet to discover and absorb.

    “I know nothing,” he tells his son.

    His final words, as he gazes at the planet where his friend will rest eternally*: “I feel young.”

    *Or until the next movie, whichever comes first.

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    In a way, there is a perverse logic to the alliance of Muslims and the GLOB.

    Muslims love to declare fatwas. They made one against Rushdie for Satanic Verses.

    And now, the GLOB has declared fatwas on Trump(“assassinate him”), Spencer(“Nazi leader”), and any white patriot with MAGA hat(“lumpen Nazi”).

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    i won’t go into details as i don’t want to lower the tone but someone just sent me CRISPR based porn – first ever.

    i think that means the genetics argument is winning.

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  82. @anonymous
    The thing that's different about Berkeley than most other places that have a UC campus is that Berkeley is physically adjacent to Oakland, and Oakland has long been the Bay Area's big sea port, going back to the 1860s when it first became the rail hub to bay shipping. (Oakland's the 5th largest port in the US.)

    Because of the port, Oakland has a history of labor unrest and strikes (longshoremen), large numbers of african-american laborers, a history of communist, anarchist, and other organizers attempting to control these troubles for their own purposes and formenting more troubles.

    UC Berkeley was established in 1868. Probably because of the voting effect when a large university is in a small town, Berkeley is one of the most liberal cities in the US. Early on the government of the city of Berkeley was taken over by liberals. Without the political position of the city government, a lot of the riots that have happened at UCB would have probably turned out very differently.

    Berkeley was always liberal. I think it was more the progressive era influence. Even as late as the 1980′s you could go to the law school, one of the best in the nation, for a few hundred dollars a semester. As an out of state student I think I paid under $5,000 with a “scholarship” defraying a lot of that. It was practically socialism in education. Now of course they price a few grand below Harvard, so they can attract loan adverse top students and still get lots of money.

    Funny thing was the town and the gown reversed the way the earth reverses polarity every so often. In the 60′s I imagine the town was conservative working class and the University was radical. By the 80′s it was young fogeys and old turks; the town was aging hippies and the gown was clean cut STEM Asians out for a career.

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  83. FDR encountered problems but did he buckle? (I shudder to think what monster of nature Hollywood is going to conjure to dodge the Donald’s Tomorrow):

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  84. @Charles Pewitt
    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump. Her name is Kiara Robles and she is funny as hell. She did a video in September 2016 where she comes "out" as a Trump supporter. She is wearing a MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat and she hammers Hillary Clinton.

    https://twitter.com/kiarafrobles/status/773294101504548864

    I watched some of her interviews and she makes it clear that the rioters at UC Berkeley were indeed trying to stop free speech. The rioters were trying to impose political conformity, as Steve Sailer has stated.

    Lesbians come in many different varieties. Three varieties that many patriotic men appreciate are: 1) Trump supporting lesbians; 2) lipstick lesbians who support Trump; 3) smart, intelligent lesbians who can see through the bullshit coming out of the corporate propaganda apparatus.

    This brave young lady Kiara Robles is all three and more. God bless her. I only put the lipstick lesbian bit in there because she put a couple of them in her twitter feed.

    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump …

    Good-looking young women who say they’re lezzies are just waiting for the right man in their life.

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    "Good-looking young women who say they’re lezzies are just waiting for the right man in their life."

    Back in the days when the vast majority of Homos stayed inside the closet, Liberace used to be asked by the media why he doesn't have a girlfriend and he would respond by saying he just hasn't found the right woman yet but hopes that she is out there somewhere.

    , @Johnnygeo
    Yeah, if Penthouse Forum taught me anything...
  85. @Corvinus
    "One word. Gandhi. If you are going to emphasize always you should expect to be called on it. It’s doubly funny that the opposition to your example, e.g. MLK, arguably qualifies as a counterexample as well."

    Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed non-violence. But even their peace rallies had radicals who bashed skulls in response to police action or a lack of sustained progress in their calls for reforms. As a result, British officials and southern law enforcement characterized these men as being agitators and law-breakers.

    Eschew does not mean what I think you think it means.

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    Eschew (v)--deliberately avoid using; abstain from.

    "Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed non-violence."

    Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed violence. Fixed it.
  86. While on the subway in Toronto today I noticed two SJW White people (of course, who else would it be?) that had placards placed in front of them reading “No ban, on stolen land!” I suppose they may have been American expatriates, but if not, why are Canadians so preoccupied with American immigration policy? Do they actually believe that by protesting in front of the US consulate (presumably this is where they were coming from) Trump will make an about face on the ban? Also, according to their logic, any country on “stolen” land should not be able to ban anyone from coming here. Does this also include Japan, since northern parts of it were occupied by the Ainu at one point?

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    all muslim countries are excluded and you are a racist if you notice that arabs are native to arabia but stole all of north africa and were exempt from de colonization that was forced on white christians in south africa , mozambique , angola , rhodesia etc.

    Likewise Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Indonesian occupation of Papua is exempt as well.
  87. I don’t want to be any more deplorable than I am, but:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182 section f seems to suggest that President Trump’s EO with respect to visas is lawful:

    (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

    I guess judges don’t bother to read the law any more.

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    I haven't read Judge Robart's injunction against the EO I admit, but I read somewhere that in his ruling he admits the EO is constitutional and lawful, he just finds it unfair or unreasonable.

    Who needs consistent rule of law? Muh feelz!
  88. “Your honor, my client may have shot and killed that man, but murderers of all types have been shooting and killing men since time immemorial, and such violence has ALWAYS been used as the means to deprive a man of his life, for all manner of reasons.”

    I think this baby was dropped on his head at some point. He doesn’t even know how to prevaricate properly–he could have left out the “preserve the status quo”, which is what his guys are really about, protecting the lie that this is some form of dissent from “white supremacy” or whatever the phrase is today. The superfluous “however” is pretty funny too. Like a pretentious pseudo-intellectual throwing out the occasional “what have you”.

    We need better trolls!

    Reminds me of the character denouncing the rhetoricians in the Satyricon:

    “By reducing everything to sound, you concocted this bloated puffpaste of pretty drivel whose only real purpose is the pleasure of punning and the thrill of ambiguity. Language lost its sinew, its nerve. Eloquence died.”

    Of course, there isn’t even clever punning, and no thrill in the oblivious ambiguity. Just phrases cobbled together almost randomly.

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  89. @Neoconned
    Not really.

    Renting is a better option either way. You never really "own" your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors.....

    And then like my neighborhood -- you can have a couple of crackheads move in and within 10 years the entire neighborhood has lost 75% of its value.....

    If you call avoiding that serfdom then I'm a proud serf.

    Not to mention, Obama’s AFFH initiatives were expressly designed as ‘block-busting’ mechanisms to destroy any and all majority-white neighborhoods which were previously safe and civilised.

    Needless to add, certain ‘white’ neighborhoods like Chappaqua, the Hamptons, Palm Beach, Marin and Montecito will remain forever inviolate. The NYT was delightfully taken to task by its own readership for neglecting this pesky detail during its ‘fair-housing’ yammering.

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  90. @AndrewR
    One of the many Orwellian themes one keeps seeing from the left is the insane idea that antifa SJWs are brave dissenters from the status quo courageously fighting the priests and lords of the status quo like Milo, the flamboyant gay coal-burning Jew.

    One wonders if they all actually believe that or if it's a conscious lie.

    I’ve known my share of those types, and they’ve programmed their lives to stay in a loop that doesn’t challenge their world, and that programming includes mini-dramas that reinforce that marginalized feeling.

    In that respect, they’re no different than the more extreme Home Church people I casually know.

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  91. @Crawfurdmuir

    The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.
     
    Indeed. The police stood idly by and watched them do it. Their behavior was like that of a sheriff who let a lynch mob have its way. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out they had orders not to interfere with the rioters.

    The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler's veto now has official standing.

    “The mayor of Berkeley is now using the riot to argue that controversialists like Milo pose too much of a threat to public order to be allowed to speak there in the future. The heckler’s veto now has official standing.”

    The mayor of Berkeley has no emotional attachment towards the 1st amendment because he is Mexican and the 1st amendment was invented by men with English blood pumping through their hearts. There is no English blood pumping through the heart of Berkeley’s Mexican mayor.

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  92. @Corvinus
    "lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that."

    I'm not a leftist. I'm a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley--non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    "That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist."

    All your protestations are belong to us.

    No matter how you want to divest yourself from the Leftist agitators, you can’t. They’re making your bed for you so the truth is, you might as well choose your side if you care for your children. Or you can continue to pretend to be moderate and be torn away “in the middle.”

    The simple truth is that this isn’t the sign of the “fringes” getting smaller. Its the signal, as it was in the past, of the middle getting vastly smaller and fringes existing one way or another.

    No skin off my back.

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    "Or you can continue to pretend to be moderate and be torn away “in the middle.”

    There is no pretending here. Millions of white people are moderates like myself. The problem is when are they going to wake up and tell extremists that they do not represent their interests.

    "The simple truth is that this isn’t the sign of the “fringes” getting smaller."

    The fringes appear to be larger than life because of their loudmouth leaders.
  93. @NeonBets
    Really? Do you really like it?

    BTW: Do you really mean Harry Baldwin, or do you really mean James Baldwin? Cuz Harry...Harry Baldwin that is...was a pitcher for the NY Giants in 1924. I'm sure you knew that.

    But to answer your question: No, res. James Baldwin can't turn that into a meme.

    The good news is that even if you had gotten it right, your James Baldwin meme reference would have had the comedic quality of a Bazooka Bubblegum wrapper.

    That was fascinating. In case it was somebody actually trying to be coherent, here’s who I meant: http://www.unz.com/isteve/we-the-new-people/

    P.S. Maybe not so random. NeonBets, you haven’t been commenting much lately. Were you annoyed by my response to you a couple of weeks ago or something? http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-self-awareness/#comment-1729710

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  94. @al gore rhythms
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38867961

    Another variation on your Statue of Liberty theme: Der Spiegel has depicted Trump beheading the Statue. Seemingly drawn from the Julius Streicher tradition of crude propaganda.

    I read a selection of German news articles from the well-known newspapers every day to try and help me learn the language, and the Trump hysteria really is something to behold. There is obviously a lot of negative coverage in my own native Britain it is also not too hard to find articles arguing that liberals have got the reality check that they deserved, or that we need to be pragmatic and get on with him now that he's been elected. There is none of that in any German newspaper as far as I can tell.

    It's telling that they chose to show Trump commiting an atrocity in what we have come to regard as the most quintessentially Islamic way: the beheading. It is almost as if beneath all their protestations of Islam meaning 'peace' and talk of Islamic golden ages of culture and civility that put us Christian brutes to shame, there is a dull awareness which they have banished to the shadows in the corners of their minds of the reality of what Islam is and what Merkel has done.

    Never mind Trump metaphorically beheading liberty. Germany has just imported as whole future of the real thing.

    Check Steve’s posts from a day or two ago.

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  95. @Anonym
    Isn't it time you visited Club Meds?

    Oh , what a funny guy . I can appreciate any good humour even at my expense , but that is some weak ass shit . “The Club was started in 1950 by former Belgian water polo champion Gérard Blitz.”

    A friend of mine went to a Club Med “resort” on his honeymoon . His bride got cracked in the head by a mast from one of those little one man sail boats . She had a headache for the rest of their honeymoon . Bad sign , no ?

    I make fun at their expense but they were both descent people , unlike yours truly . Mock me all you want just try to do better .

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  96. link to one of the riot organizers. A middle school teacher – she has no regrets, thinks it was great.

    Look at her eyes. She is clearly mentally unstable.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Look at her eyes. She is clearly mentally unstable."

    If someone on the Right were to beat her up they would be called a bully by the Left because that Social Justice Warrior Lumpia from The Philippines is like 4 foot 10. She is on the border between midgets and regular height adults.
  97. @The most deplorable one
    I don't want to be any more deplorable than I am, but:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182 section f seems to suggest that President Trump's EO with respect to visas is lawful:

    (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

     

    I guess judges don't bother to read the law any more.

    I haven’t read Judge Robart’s injunction against the EO I admit, but I read somewhere that in his ruling he admits the EO is constitutional and lawful, he just finds it unfair or unreasonable.

    Who needs consistent rule of law? Muh feelz!

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  98. @slumber_j
    Same with Trigglyprof et al., but without the violence. That's the odd thing about this "dissent"--or one of the odd things anyway.

    Speaking of Trigglypuff/proff, here’s their evil twin striplypuff. Viewer discretion advised:

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    "Speaking of Trigglypuff/proff, here’s their evil twin striplypuff. Viewer discretion advised:"

    Nobody wants to see Michael Moore's wife naked.
  99. @Corvinus
    "They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two."

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    "And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo."

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    “These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. “

    No, they weren’t. They were employing violence to shut down the free speech of an invited guest who had nothing to do with any governmental policy.

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  100. @Svigor
    Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.

    Who gives a f**K about Corvinus’ opinion ? He’s welcome here all the same .

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    "Who gives a f**K about Corvinus’ opinion ?"

    Much the same could be said of yours.
  101. Robert Reich is not the most convincing liar, but he would have to do in a pinch on CNN as the Berkeley incident was winding down. He claimed the Berkeley thugs were not campus lefties, but righties! He could just tell! (Perhaps he “felt” they were the same on-call righties who showed up to crack heads at the skinhead assembly in Sacramento a few months ago.) His word is good enough for Lemon. Recall, this man used to hold down a position of some importance – involving numbers.

    Reich is a surprisingly weak debate partner, as seen in this recent Munk debate with Granholm, against Gingrich and Ingraham:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_b_XbyMQk2c

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  102. @Almost Missouri
    Or we could just, you know, enforce the law...

    The problem is in urban locales they are invariably controlled by Democrats and they always tell the cops to stand down when Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc is in town to rumble.

    Even Milo sees and acknowledges this.

    Look what happened at the Trump rally in San Jose, that put a end to Trump holding rallies in that state. The police were told to stand down and let the La Raza thugs beat the shit out of Trump supporters and nothing happened to the pols or that wetback of a chief of police.

    And none of the pro-Trump, alt-right sites want to consider the implications of this. Namely that the Left runs these cities as their personal fiefdoms and don’t answer to anyone.

    Look of r all intents and purposes free speech doesn’t exist where lots of minorities and Leftists reside. You either censor yourself or get your ass kicked if you speak out in public. This is what we face. get used to it. Get used to the fact these groups have declared war on conservative whites at the behest of the Democratic and globalist promoters.

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    "The problem is in urban locales they are invariably controlled by Democrats and they always tell the cops to stand down when Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc is in town to rumble."
     
    Yes, you are correct. But there is a solution: enforce the law!

    As documented elsewhere on iSteve, it is a violation of the law to prevent citizens from exercising their First Amendment civil rights!

    Admittedly, during the Obama administration, the Feds would not have enforced the Constitution against fellow leftists. That failure was illegal, but apparently no one who mattered cared. Whatever. That is over. This administration can and should--and legally must--enforce the law! And the law is we have the right "peaceably to assemble"! Every one of those corrupt Democrats, "Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc...in town to rumble" should be looking at the business end of a federal indictment right now.

    This is not pie-in-the-sky stuff. This is well worn and well established civil rights law. And unlike the pseudo-"civil rights" the left wants to enforce (e.g., the right not to be offended), these rights are real civil rights actually mentioned in the Constitution!

    Note that this does not even depend solely on the Feds. The States can enforce the law as well. Not all states are blue states. And it does not even depend solely on the governments, federal or state: injured private parties have causes of action as well: civil rights suits, variations on laws of mandamus, estoppel and specific performance, etc. as well. Yes, this requires lawyers, and yes the legal establishment is heavily SJWs, but these are not far-fetched suits. Even mediocre lawyers with thick skin can handle them.

    For too long public debate has been polarized between the falsehoods of the extreme Left and the cowardice of the cuck-Right. The solution is the radical center: enforce the law!
  103. I’m not a leftist.

    Absurd. You needn’t admit you’re a leftist, to be one. You needn’t even admit it to yourself.

    You consistently defend leftists and attack rightists. Ergo, you’re a leftist.

    There were two groups at Berkeley–non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    Yeah, both leftist.

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    Why not look up status quo, if you don’t know what it means? Trump was working against the status quo, the leftists were dissenting against that, and for the status quo.

    Eschew does not mean what I think you think it means.

    Yeah look that one up too, while you’re at it.

    Just phrases cobbled together almost randomly.

    Yeah, contra Anonym, I don’t read Corvy’s posts. I just catch glimpses as I scroll past, like with an accident at the side of the road.

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  104. @robot
    Liberals on Twitter have been pretty unanimous that punching nazis is good policy. (They obviously think they can judge who qualifies.)

    And as our host notes above, anyone qualifies who does not conform.

    It’s Levittown with a balaclava.

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  105. @Perspective
    Speaking of Trigglypuff/proff, here's their evil twin striplypuff. Viewer discretion advised:

    https://youtu.be/Qrwl2kdt3KE

    “Speaking of Trigglypuff/proff, here’s their evil twin striplypuff. Viewer discretion advised:”

    Nobody wants to see Michael Moore’s wife naked.

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  106. @Thea
    Yes the left feels strong not vulnerable.

    Yeah , I felt strong too until that until that bitch knocked my tooth out and then called the cops . But I got shed of her and unlike the left she’s paying her own way now.

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  107. @oh its just me too
    link to one of the riot organizers. A middle school teacher - she has no regrets, thinks it was great.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrRLyFTzSU

    Look at her eyes. She is clearly mentally unstable.

    “Look at her eyes. She is clearly mentally unstable.”

    If someone on the Right were to beat her up they would be called a bully by the Left because that Social Justice Warrior Lumpia from The Philippines is like 4 foot 10. She is on the border between midgets and regular height adults.

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    @Perspective
    While on the subway in Toronto today I noticed two SJW White people (of course, who else would it be?) that had placards placed in front of them reading "No ban, on stolen land!" I suppose they may have been American expatriates, but if not, why are Canadians so preoccupied with American immigration policy? Do they actually believe that by protesting in front of the US consulate (presumably this is where they were coming from) Trump will make an about face on the ban? Also, according to their logic, any country on "stolen" land should not be able to ban anyone from coming here. Does this also include Japan, since northern parts of it were occupied by the Ainu at one point?

    all muslim countries are excluded and you are a racist if you notice that arabs are native to arabia but stole all of north africa and were exempt from de colonization that was forced on white christians in south africa , mozambique , angola , rhodesia etc.

    Likewise Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Indonesian occupation of Papua is exempt as well.

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  109. @Bill P
    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat? What's been going on for about 25 years now is a political purge accomplished with an implicit threat of violence against dissenters.

    Mostly this consists of petty stuff like vandalism, e.g. slashing the tires of a car with a conservative bumper sticker or stealing yard signs, but now it has moved on to open beatings in public. This is getting to be Red Guards Cultural Revolution kind of stuff.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don't know what the solution is here.

    Their violence is cowardly and insipid . Crack their sculls and in two weeks they will be vying for a job sweeping the floor at Raytheon .

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  110. The flames will burn out Tomorrow, Tomorrow there’ll be none, they’ll be none. The money ran out, and no one came out, so the Revolution just went away.

    The Second Amendment isn’t for hunting Ducks, its for shooting Turkeys.

    The message of the Rebels is simply this: OBEY.

    Hell No.

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  111. @Cagey Beast
    "Using violence to express and impose political conformity" is most clearly shown in the slogan "Make Racists Afraid Again". I've seen it on signs and chanted in recent protests:

    https://twitter.com/Raazoul/status/800433162711166976

    Looks like the new Klan.

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  112. @David Davenport
    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump ...

    Good-looking young women who say they're lezzies are just waiting for the right man in their life.

    “Good-looking young women who say they’re lezzies are just waiting for the right man in their life.”

    Back in the days when the vast majority of Homos stayed inside the closet, Liberace used to be asked by the media why he doesn’t have a girlfriend and he would respond by saying he just hasn’t found the right woman yet but hopes that she is out there somewhere.

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  113. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Berkeley rioters weren't using violence to express political dissent, they were using violence to express and impose political conformity.
     
    Exactly. The reason the rioters brazenly attack and destroy is because they know it is safe for them to do so.

    I agree. The Neoreactionaries say that riots and protests are more or less victory laps for these people and I believe they’re right. It’s a teeth-baring exercise towards the surging alt right, who went from totally obscure in 2014 to everpresent boogeyman in late 2016. Milo to them represented Trump, the alt right, the evil racist whites from flyover country, etc.

    They will keep doing this until they’ve been defanged. Trump threatening to withhold federal funds will bring these organizations and municipalities to heel very quickly, especially for financially precarious cities in California. Charging violent rioters with a felony riot charge will take care of the rest.

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  114. @res
    I would reform it as:

    They are not Truth speaking to Power. They are Power, preventing Truth from speaking.

    Or, to put it more concisely: Speaking Power to Truth

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  115. @res
    I would reform it as:

    They are not Truth speaking to Power. They are Power, preventing Truth from speaking.

    Spencer’s wording is more elegant, and therefore better.

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  116. @Svigor
    Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.

    “Worth mentioning: Corvinus is more opposed to alt-right blogging than leftist rioting.”

    Quite true. Better that windows and heads should be smashed in Berkeley, than that we be permitted to express our opinions free of his dissembling and dishonest commentary.

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  117. @donut
    Who gives a f**K about Corvinus' opinion ? He's welcome here all the same .

    “Who gives a f**K about Corvinus’ opinion ?”

    Much the same could be said of yours.

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    Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn't you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here .
    , @donut
    Could this be your favorite version pillow biter ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psm96Dn9KII
  118. @David Davenport
    The young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rioting thug at the Battle of Berkeley is a smart, independent-minded lesbian who supports Trump ...

    Good-looking young women who say they're lezzies are just waiting for the right man in their life.

    Yeah, if Penthouse Forum taught me anything…

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  119. @Desiderius
    Yes, that's was Lord North's thinking.

    Not sure what you’re driving at here.

    Are you saying, Berkeley rioters = Boston Tea Party?

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    There are similarities. A big difference being the faithlessness of the present crew. I've grown more skeptical of the Tea Partiers over the years, but I am still a fan. Could not be less of a fan of the Antifaggots*, so maybe I'm imagining things.

    Are we not about there in the course of human events with these clowns?

    *- yeah, they're probably mismatched whites, but they're still by and large spoiled brats.
  120. @Mr. Anon
    "Who gives a f**K about Corvinus’ opinion ?"

    Much the same could be said of yours.

    Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn’t you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here .

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    • Replies: @donut
    Why pick a fight with me ? Did I offend you in some way ? If not then just f88k off . I hope that for the most part we agree on US policies . Stop fighting the Jew wars and sending them billions of dollars of military freebies . The South China Sea is in China's neighborhood and in their strategic interest not ours . Send the Muzzies back to the shitholes they came from . Exterminate ISIS and support Assad . And enlist all those PTSD veterans into the Freikorps to kick the shit out of the Antifa faggots . Pull out of NATO , let the Euroweenies defend themselves , if they have the balls to do so . Get over our hurt feelings about the Embassy seizure in 1979 and let's be friends and trade partners with Iran , make a buck and friends . But I might be wrong about your political views . Who knows ? But if you are just a troll then you are wasting your time f88king with me . I have been trolled by the best and thanks to my 100 mm of armour your 75 mm just bounces off. I don't give a f88k God tried to troll me and I survived that .
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn’t you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here ."

    I have neither the permission nor the ability to edit other people's comments on this site. I don't work here, I'm just a visitor.

    I don't know about hypocrisy, but there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.

  121. @donut
    Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn't you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here .

    Why pick a fight with me ? Did I offend you in some way ? If not then just f88k off . I hope that for the most part we agree on US policies . Stop fighting the Jew wars and sending them billions of dollars of military freebies . The South China Sea is in China’s neighborhood and in their strategic interest not ours . Send the Muzzies back to the shitholes they came from . Exterminate ISIS and support Assad . And enlist all those PTSD veterans into the Freikorps to kick the shit out of the Antifa faggots . Pull out of NATO , let the Euroweenies defend themselves , if they have the balls to do so . Get over our hurt feelings about the Embassy seizure in 1979 and let’s be friends and trade partners with Iran , make a buck and friends . But I might be wrong about your political views . Who knows ? But if you are just a troll then you are wasting your time f88king with me . I have been trolled by the best and thanks to my 100 mm of armour your 75 mm just bounces off. I don’t give a f88k God tried to troll me and I survived that .

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  122. @Almost Missouri
    Not sure what you're driving at here.

    Are you saying, Berkeley rioters = Boston Tea Party?

    There are similarities. A big difference being the faithlessness of the present crew. I’ve grown more skeptical of the Tea Partiers over the years, but I am still a fan. Could not be less of a fan of the Antifaggots*, so maybe I’m imagining things.

    Are we not about there in the course of human events with these clowns?

    *- yeah, they’re probably mismatched whites, but they’re still by and large spoiled brats.

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  123. @Mr. Anon
    "Who gives a f**K about Corvinus’ opinion ?"

    Much the same could be said of yours.

    Could this be your favorite version pillow biter ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psm96Dn9KII

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  124. @donut
    Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn't you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here .

    “Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn’t you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here .”

    I have neither the permission nor the ability to edit other people’s comments on this site. I don’t work here, I’m just a visitor.

    I don’t know about hypocrisy, but there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.

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    Oh yeah , but you CAN edit my comments as you did . By posting only part of it . You disingenuous POS . I wouldn't argue about the "strong whiff of insanity" for sure it's there . And if you don't know about hypocrisy it is only because it is so ingrained in your nature that as the eye cannot see itself you cannot see it in your self . And why the f88k are you annoying me with your nonsense anyway ?
    , @Anonymous

    I don’t know about hypocrisy
     
    No hypocrite has ever know about it, lol.

    there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.
     
    People don't say this when it is the case, people say this when their ego is hurt by someone's posts (which means they aree with those posts, though they don't know)
  125. @Mr. Anon
    "Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn’t you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here ."

    I have neither the permission nor the ability to edit other people's comments on this site. I don't work here, I'm just a visitor.

    I don't know about hypocrisy, but there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.

    Oh yeah , but you CAN edit my comments as you did . By posting only part of it . You disingenuous POS . I wouldn’t argue about the “strong whiff of insanity” for sure it’s there . And if you don’t know about hypocrisy it is only because it is so ingrained in your nature that as the eye cannot see itself you cannot see it in your self . And why the f88k are you annoying me with your nonsense anyway ?

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  126. Pass all of it or none of it Sailer . You know I never pick a fight with anyone . But don’t take sides .

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  127. @Corvinus
    "They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two."

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    "And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo."

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    “These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy.”

    Milo Yiannopoulos is not employed by The U.S government, he is a private citizen. So Antifa were not standing up to a government entity, they were just trying to shut down a private citizen’s 1st amendment rights.

    Antifa are communists, hence why they believe only their own political views should be considered legal protected speech. Not only is that a communist way of thinking but it’s also an elitist way of thinking.

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    "Milo Yiannopoulos is not employed by The U.S government, he is a private citizen. So Antifa were not standing up to a government entity, they were just trying to shut down a private citizen’s 1st amendment rights."

    The protestors were opposing government policy as advocated by Milo, a homosexual radical, who was invited by a campus group. Extremists on the left then engaged in significant illegal activity, who ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
  128. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mr. Anon
    "Like the fake news on CNN , you edited my comment didn’t you ? I can smell the hypocrite from here ."

    I have neither the permission nor the ability to edit other people's comments on this site. I don't work here, I'm just a visitor.

    I don't know about hypocrisy, but there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.

    I don’t know about hypocrisy

    No hypocrite has ever know about it, lol.

    there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.

    People don’t say this when it is the case, people say this when their ego is hurt by someone’s posts (which means they aree with those posts, though they don’t know)

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    "People don’t say this when it is the case, people say this when their ego is hurt by someone’s posts (which means they aree with those posts, though they don’t know)"

    No, people say that about things that give off the vibe of having been written by a disturbed mind, as Donut's posts usually do. And I have no idea whether I agree with Donut or not. I seldom read his posts, as most of them seem to be muddled ranting.
  129. @map
    Well, if they are not real leftists, then you should have no problem when the military is used to crack down on them...arrests and interrogations should reveal the sources of their funding.

    Guantanamo would be useful for that. We can identify them using missing person's reports.

    This leftist notion that leftwing violence is speech while rightwing speech is violence will not fly. Remember, you are what you do. Your rationalizations are irrelevant. And the government came out with firehoses, truncheons and live ammunition during civil rights, jim crow and George Washington, when rioters went around destroying stuff. Why should these antifa scum not get the "full experience" of their historical heroes if their cause is so just?

    “And the government came out with firehoses, truncheons and live ammunition during civil rights, jim crow and George Washington, when rioters went around destroying stuff.”

    In a number of instances, Civil Rights protesters in the 1950′s and 1960′s were simply marching peacefully when the riot police came out in full force because they knew it was safe for them to do so.

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    That's just propaganda. The news photographs the riot police beating the protesters, but fails to film 15 minutes earlier when the protesters were smashing store windows.
  130. @Autochthon
    Eschew does not mean what I think you think it means.

    Eschew (v)–deliberately avoid using; abstain from.

    “Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed non-violence.”

    Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed violence. Fixed it.

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    "Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed violence. Fixed it."

    Finally looked up the word, did you?

  131. @Daniel Chieh
    No matter how you want to divest yourself from the Leftist agitators, you can't. They're making your bed for you so the truth is, you might as well choose your side if you care for your children. Or you can continue to pretend to be moderate and be torn away "in the middle."

    The simple truth is that this isn't the sign of the "fringes" getting smaller. Its the signal, as it was in the past, of the middle getting vastly smaller and fringes existing one way or another.

    No skin off my back.

    “Or you can continue to pretend to be moderate and be torn away “in the middle.”

    There is no pretending here. Millions of white people are moderates like myself. The problem is when are they going to wake up and tell extremists that they do not represent their interests.

    “The simple truth is that this isn’t the sign of the “fringes” getting smaller.”

    The fringes appear to be larger than life because of their loudmouth leaders.

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    "There is no pretending here. Millions of white people are moderates like myself. The problem is when are they going to wake up and tell extremists that they do not represent their interests."

    The stuff you claim to believe does not represent the interests of many moderates, nor certainly does it represent mine. I find nothing moderate in what you advocate. There is nothing moderate about giving yourself over to predation.
  132. @Neoconned
    Not really.

    Renting is a better option either way. You never really "own" your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors.....

    And then like my neighborhood -- you can have a couple of crackheads move in and within 10 years the entire neighborhood has lost 75% of its value.....

    If you call avoiding that serfdom then I'm a proud serf.

    … You never really “own” your home as you constantly have to pay property taxes, which go up often on an ad hoc basis depending on the whims of your city reps and/or county supervisors…..

    So, you don’t think that your landlord pays property taxes on the rental property you inhabit?

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  133. @Thea
    Yes the left feels strong not vulnerable.

    That’s what all those Victim categories are. They are effectively bit buckets/trash caches where the left projects any sense of vulnerability.

    Some serious dissociative behavior being normalized there, btw.

    Not to mention the damage it does to people with real, actual vulnerabilities. For instance, populations with genetically suppressed hopes of succeeding in advanced societies end up carrying not only those burdens, but the left’s neatly tailored Vulnerabilities of The Present Moment. (So that the left can feel/be powerful.)

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  134. People don’t say this when it is the case, people say this when their ego is hurt by someone’s posts (which means they aree with those posts, though they don’t know)

    No, people say it when they genuinely get a whiff of crazy, too.

    There is no pretending here.

    Nonsense.

    Millions of white people are moderates like myself.

    More nonsense. And if it wasn’t, it would still be nonsense: appeal to authority, appeal to popularity.

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  135. @Bill P
    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat? What's been going on for about 25 years now is a political purge accomplished with an implicit threat of violence against dissenters.

    Mostly this consists of petty stuff like vandalism, e.g. slashing the tires of a car with a conservative bumper sticker or stealing yard signs, but now it has moved on to open beatings in public. This is getting to be Red Guards Cultural Revolution kind of stuff.

    Eventually the Red Guards were brought to heel by being dispersed into the countryside. I don't know what the solution is here.

    Is it any wonder deep blue west coast cities vote 90% democrat?

    FWIW, some of that is an artifact of redistricting.

    Where I live was solidly purple for many decades. People voted for individuals as individuals. The Dems didn’t like government being subject to voters’ will, so they redistricted to harden red/blue lines. My own property went from being represented by an open minded legal immigrant female with strong border control and RKBA voting record…to the usual progtards who couldn’t care less how non-locksteppers view the issues.

    This is always coupled with urbanization/suburbanization. I.e., gentrification that makes the liberals rich, keeps dissenters poor, and studiously, viciously marginalizes rural people. And you are right about the political purges, which are a hefty mechanism for impoverishing anyone who disagrees with the Establishment.

    You are absolutely correct IME locally about the “petty stuff like vandalism,” also about it moving to more outright violence.

    I was hearing the guys over at TRS talking abut how none of them had ever heard of “Antifa,” so it must be new. In Seattle, Portland, Tacoma, Olympia, Eugene, some surrounding pockets, these people have been around for a good 20 years.

    I first heard of them in association with the “black bloc” vandals at the 1999 WTO riots. People who organized genuine/peaceful demonstrations, rallies, and education events there were appalled even then, asking “Who are these people, and where are they coming from?”

    I know a guy who has been tracking their behavior for much of that time. He concurs that there has been an upturn in their intensity as well as attracting sketchier and freakier people.

    Getting to the bottom of who is organizing and funding their “anarchy” would go a long way toward emptying this all out.

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  136. @Anonymous

    I don’t know about hypocrisy
     
    No hypocrite has ever know about it, lol.

    there is always a strong whiff of insanity wafting off of your posts.
     
    People don't say this when it is the case, people say this when their ego is hurt by someone's posts (which means they aree with those posts, though they don't know)

    “People don’t say this when it is the case, people say this when their ego is hurt by someone’s posts (which means they aree with those posts, though they don’t know)”

    No, people say that about things that give off the vibe of having been written by a disturbed mind, as Donut’s posts usually do. And I have no idea whether I agree with Donut or not. I seldom read his posts, as most of them seem to be muddled ranting.

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  137. @Corvinus
    "Or you can continue to pretend to be moderate and be torn away “in the middle.”

    There is no pretending here. Millions of white people are moderates like myself. The problem is when are they going to wake up and tell extremists that they do not represent their interests.

    "The simple truth is that this isn’t the sign of the “fringes” getting smaller."

    The fringes appear to be larger than life because of their loudmouth leaders.

    “There is no pretending here. Millions of white people are moderates like myself. The problem is when are they going to wake up and tell extremists that they do not represent their interests.”

    The stuff you claim to believe does not represent the interests of many moderates, nor certainly does it represent mine. I find nothing moderate in what you advocate. There is nothing moderate about giving yourself over to predation.

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  138. @Corvinus
    Eschew (v)--deliberately avoid using; abstain from.

    "Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed non-violence."

    Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed violence. Fixed it.

    “Gandhi and MLK undoubtedly eschewed violence. Fixed it.”

    Finally looked up the word, did you?

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  139. @Corvinus
    "They were all leftists. There was nobody on the right rioting. It is dishonest of you (no surprise there) to conflate the two."

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    "And the rioters were not representatives of dissent, but of the status quo."

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.

    But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren’t. There were only leftists.

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.

    They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. That doesn’t exactly make them the underdog, does it? And the SLA, the Weatherman Underground, the Baader-Meinhof Gang – they were all “clearly dissenting” too.

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    "But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren’t. There were only leftists."

    I never made that implication at all. Another False News Story on your part.

    "They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. That doesn’t exactly make them the underdog, does it? And the SLA, the Weatherman Underground, the Baader-Meinhof Gang – they were all “clearly dissenting” too."

    The protestors at Berkeley were in opposition to current government policies as supported by Milo, a radical homosexual.

  140. @Corvinus
    "lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that."

    I'm not a leftist. I'm a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley--non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    "That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist."

    All your protestations are belong to us.

    I’m not a leftist.

    You might as well be.

    I’m a white American male……

    “Male”? That’s a strange, emasculated way for a man to describe himself.

    ………who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    And so are we. And a lot of us have decided that people like you are contemptible fools.

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  141. @Corvinus
    "lol. I love how you Leftist stooges are going through contortions to claim their terrorists at Berkeley weren’t real Leftists. No True Scotsman, and all that."

    I'm not a leftist. I'm a white American male with children (do you have kids yet, or are you still single and paying for warm flesh?) who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    There were two groups at Berkeley--non-violent protestors and violent protestors.

    "That b.s. didn’t work at the end of the cold war (equating the USSR and US as equally guilty of bad things), and it won’t work now, little fascist."

    All your protestations are belong to us.

    I’m not a leftist.

    You might as well be.

    I’m a white American male……

    “Male”? That’s a strange, emasculated way for a man to describe himself.

    ………who is able to make up his own mind about race and politics.

    And so are we. And we reject the foolish and self-destructive course people like you have taken.

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  142. @Jefferson
    "These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy."

    Milo Yiannopoulos is not employed by The U.S government, he is a private citizen. So Antifa were not standing up to a government entity, they were just trying to shut down a private citizen's 1st amendment rights.

    Antifa are communists, hence why they believe only their own political views should be considered legal protected speech. Not only is that a communist way of thinking but it's also an elitist way of thinking.

    “Milo Yiannopoulos is not employed by The U.S government, he is a private citizen. So Antifa were not standing up to a government entity, they were just trying to shut down a private citizen’s 1st amendment rights.”

    The protestors were opposing government policy as advocated by Milo, a homosexual radical, who was invited by a campus group. Extremists on the left then engaged in significant illegal activity, who ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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  143. @Mr. Anon

    They were all Americans exercising their right to assemble. Some followed the rule of law, others did not. As a result, those who rioted should be fully prosecuted.
     
    But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren’t. There were only leftists.

    These Americans were opposing a newly implemented policy. They organized to show their opposition. They were clearly dissenting.
     
    They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. That doesn't exactly make them the underdog, does it? And the SLA, the Weatherman Underground, the Baader-Meinhof Gang - they were all "clearly dissenting" too.

    “But you dishonestly implied there were rightists there rioting too. There weren’t. There were only leftists.”

    I never made that implication at all. Another False News Story on your part.

    “They are defending a globalist order that predates this administration and supercedes nation states. That doesn’t exactly make them the underdog, does it? And the SLA, the Weatherman Underground, the Baader-Meinhof Gang – they were all “clearly dissenting” too.”

    The protestors at Berkeley were in opposition to current government policies as supported by Milo, a radical homosexual.

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  144. I never made that implication at all. Another False News Story on your part.

    You did. You’re lying about it now.

    The protestors at Berkeley were in opposition to current government policies as supported by Milo, a radical homosexual.

    And thereby they support the status quo ante, which is globalist.

    Extremists on the left then engaged in significant illegal activity, who ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    And the authorities in California seem to be getting right on that, don’t they? Sure they are.

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  145. @Rod1963
    The problem is in urban locales they are invariably controlled by Democrats and they always tell the cops to stand down when Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc is in town to rumble.

    Even Milo sees and acknowledges this.

    Look what happened at the Trump rally in San Jose, that put a end to Trump holding rallies in that state. The police were told to stand down and let the La Raza thugs beat the shit out of Trump supporters and nothing happened to the pols or that wetback of a chief of police.

    And none of the pro-Trump, alt-right sites want to consider the implications of this. Namely that the Left runs these cities as their personal fiefdoms and don't answer to anyone.

    Look of r all intents and purposes free speech doesn't exist where lots of minorities and Leftists reside. You either censor yourself or get your ass kicked if you speak out in public. This is what we face. get used to it. Get used to the fact these groups have declared war on conservative whites at the behest of the Democratic and globalist promoters.

    “The problem is in urban locales they are invariably controlled by Democrats and they always tell the cops to stand down when Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc is in town to rumble.”

    Yes, you are correct. But there is a solution: enforce the law!

    As documented elsewhere on iSteve, it is a violation of the law to prevent citizens from exercising their First Amendment civil rights!

    Admittedly, during the Obama administration, the Feds would not have enforced the Constitution against fellow leftists. That failure was illegal, but apparently no one who mattered cared. Whatever. That is over. This administration can and should–and legally must–enforce the law! And the law is we have the right “peaceably to assemble”! Every one of those corrupt Democrats, “Anti-fa, La Raza, BLM or Black Bloc…in town to rumble” should be looking at the business end of a federal indictment right now.

    This is not pie-in-the-sky stuff. This is well worn and well established civil rights law. And unlike the pseudo-”civil rights” the left wants to enforce (e.g., the right not to be offended), these rights are real civil rights actually mentioned in the Constitution!

    Note that this does not even depend solely on the Feds. The States can enforce the law as well. Not all states are blue states. And it does not even depend solely on the governments, federal or state: injured private parties have causes of action as well: civil rights suits, variations on laws of mandamus, estoppel and specific performance, etc. as well. Yes, this requires lawyers, and yes the legal establishment is heavily SJWs, but these are not far-fetched suits. Even mediocre lawyers with thick skin can handle them.

    For too long public debate has been polarized between the falsehoods of the extreme Left and the cowardice of the cuck-Right. The solution is the radical center: enforce the law!

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  146. @Corvinus
    "And the government came out with firehoses, truncheons and live ammunition during civil rights, jim crow and George Washington, when rioters went around destroying stuff."

    In a number of instances, Civil Rights protesters in the 1950's and 1960's were simply marching peacefully when the riot police came out in full force because they knew it was safe for them to do so.

    That’s just propaganda. The news photographs the riot police beating the protesters, but fails to film 15 minutes earlier when the protesters were smashing store windows.

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