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From George Orwell’s “Inside the Whale,” 1940, on the mental atmosphere of English writers in 1937 (slightly updated):

By 2018 the whole of the intelligentsia was mentally at war. Establishment thought had narrowed down to ‘anti-Trumpism’, i.e. to a negative, and a torrent of hate-literature directed against Russia and the politicians supposedly friendly to Russia was pouring from the Press. The thing that, to me, was truly frightening about the war in America was not such Twitter spats as I witnessed, nor even the party feuds on Instagram, but the immediate reappearance in respectable circles of the mental atmosphere of the McCarthy Era. The very people who for 65 years had sniggered over their own superiority to Kremlin hysteria were the ones who rushed straight back into the mental slum of 1950. All the familiar wartime idiocies, spy-hunting, orthodoxy-sniffing (Sniff, sniff. Are you a good anti-Trumpist?), the retailing of atrocity stories, came back into vogue as though the intervening years had never happened.

Of course, people in 1937 or 1950 at least had some justification for their hysteria.

 
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  1. Anon7 says:

    Regular decent folks Democrats really have no idea how far to the Left their party has gone. Orwell’s 1984 is no longer a warning – it’s a primer on how to to run your campaign. Use of social media to enforce absolute conformity of opinion, rampant doublethink, teach children to turn in the parents, four fingers equals five fingers – it’s all there.

  2. Anon7 says:

    Regular decent folks Democrats really have no idea how far to the Left their party has gone. Orwell’s 1984 is no longer a warning – it’s a primer on how to to run your campaign. Use of social media to enforce absolute conformity of opinion, rampant doublethink, teach children to turn in the parents, four fingers equals five fingers – it’s all there.

    • Replies: @Flip
  3. Here’s the original:

    By 1937 the whole of the intelligentsia was mentally at war. Left-wing thought had narrowed down to ‘anti-Fascism’, i.e. to a negative, and a torrent of hate-literature directed against Germany and the politicians supposedly friendly to Germany was pouring from the Press. The thing that, to me, was truly frightening about the war in Spain was not such violence as I witnessed, nor even the party feuds behind the lines, but the immediate reappearance in left-wing circles of the mental atmosphere of the Great War. The very people who for twenty years had sniggered over their own superiority to war hysteria were the ones who rushed straight back into the mental slum of 1915. All the familiar wartime idiocies, spy-hunting, orthodoxy-sniffing (Sniff, sniff. Are you a good anti-Fascist?), the retailing of atrocity stories, came back into vogue as though the intervening years had never happened.

  4. Our present cycle of Two-Minutes-Hate seems pretty effective at keeping the Outer Party #Resistance fired up against Donald “Emmanuel Goldstein” Trump.

  5. Don’t a lot of people here use war talk like ‘invasion’ to describe migrants? That’s excepting the many WWIII-ers here:

    http://www.unz.com/proberts/ten-days-before-the-end-of-the-world/

    People of all types seem to like talking about war regardless of how peaceful things are. Human nature?

    • Replies: @Neuday
    , @James Bowery
  6. Luke Lea says:

    Nice job. We need a new nickname for this updated form of corporate speech.

  7. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a cosmopoliethnocentric Boot with cleats stamping on a host’s face – forever:

    “From Edmonton to Mexico City and everywhere in between, we are united.”

  8. Neuday says:
    @anony-mouse

    Invading and colonizing a country is an act of war, regardless of a media-owning fifth column. Things are not peaceful.

  9. @Anon7

    I like the acting ability of the Welsh guy tormenting the English guy from the Burton/Hurt version of 1984. John Hurt could have done a great O’Brien and Richard Burton could have done a smashing Winston Smith.

    Did The Eurythmic’s got memory-holed from 1984?

    DoublePlusGood:

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  10. @Steve Sailer

    I ain’t got a high enough IQ to be no “Intelligentsia” of any kind.

    I got a 110 IQ and I can see what those nasty WASP/JEW ruling class rats are up to.

    Orwell gave us the proletarian “Boxer” character from Animal Farm, I know that.

    Orwell and Boxer and Whites Without College Degrees from 2017:

    I know what happened to Boxer — Russian working class — the work horse in George Orwell’s Animal Farm. Boxer busted his arse building the farm back up to snuff after it had undergone the revolution and other problems. The pigs — Stalinists — rewarded Boxer by carting him away to the glue factory. Poor Boxer finally realized he was going to the glue factory while in the truck, but he was so exhausted from his labors in working on the farm that he didn’t have enough strength to kick the truck to pieces to escape.

    Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) are the new Boxer of the present day. The Stalinists are now the Globalizers. The Globalizers have decided that all the hard work and all the soldiering over generations by the WWCDs will be rewarded with deliberate attacks and sneaky ways to harm them. From mass immigration to de-industrialization to hooking the WWCDs on drugs, the Globalizer pigs have used every trick in the book to destroy Whites Without Colllege Degrees. Two academics have described this demographic phenomenom as the WHITE DEATH.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Rod1963
  11. Tiny Duck says:

    Orwell was a committed socialist

    What guys of your lik are afraid of is Peoiple of Color and minorities and women are funally DEMANDING a fair shake’

    This is why demographic change scares you

    This is why white girls crave Men of OClor (because white men have proven themselves to be spineless cowards who hate children)

    The truth (and ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR WILL TELL YOU THIS ) is that the wolrd wuld be a MUCH BETRER PLAC whithout white “men”

    I suggest you all read Leonard Pitts as to how white men fear any change to their primacy and privilege

    You guys do not wa level palyhng field because tyou know that you cannot compete in a fair and just society

  12. ChrisZ says:
    @bored identity

    Three in Canada, three in Mehico, 17 in the U.S.A.

    I can’t decide whether it’s clever or pathetic that American soccer promoters had to include our northern and southern neighbors as window dressing in order to persuade FIFA to hold a World Cup in the U.S.

    • Replies: @CJ
    , @RadicalCenter
    , @dr kill
  13. Flip says:
    @Anon7

    Regular decent folks Democrats really have no idea how far to the Left their party has gone.

    You can see it in the NY Times. I dropped it recently after reading it for 30 years as I got so sick of their anti-white, gentile, male, heterosexual agenda. I still look at it through a free online subscription from my college, and get disgusted by the pieces in the opinion sections and then log off.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  14. ChrisZ says:
    @Anon7

    I agree with your observation, Anon7.

    Somehow, though, the Left persuaded itself early on that “1984″ was a prophecy of the Trump Era. IIRC the book actually saw a jump in sales, and a stage adaptation was mounted in New York.

    I was thinking along your lines (and as yet unaware of the above-mentioned trends) when I saw someone reading it on a commuter train. I cautiously passed a word to him thinking I might be making contact with a fellow Rightist; but was quickly disabused of the notion when he responded with some “resistance” B.S., in the nasally whine typical of the species.

  15. BB753 says:
    @bored identity

    It’s Naftaland, the United States of North America.

  16. DWright says:

    I found Tiny Ducks profile pic

    [img="https://ibb.co/fyFJQJ"]

  17. @Tiny Duck

    I cannt tunderstandt your wrighting.

  18. @bored identity

    I’m glad you wrote that comment, B.I. I’ve been meaning to write a blog post on the airline magazines, and this reminded me. They are THE MOST GLOBALIST in outlook of anything you can read, but, as a passenger next to me said, what do you expect?

    Have you ever notice that in the magazines, and on display boards, unless it’s confusing (like Columbus, Georgia vs. Columbus, Ohio) they will drop state names? They’re not big state’s rights people, the airline execs. In the Charlotte, NC airport terminal, a big sign says “Welcome to Charlotte, USA”. (Really, I’m surprised it’s not “Welcome to Charlotte, Earth” or some bull like that.)

  19. @Steve Sailer

    Thank you for that addition, Steve. I have read only one book by the guy, and, though I had some idea of what you were doing, I was definitely confused. If I’m confused, imagine Tiny Duck’s brain.

    Now, I can say the standard “I see what you did there.” rather than “WTF?”

    ;-}

  20. njguy73 says:
    @bored identity

    I can see the late David Foster Wallace being vindicated, and O.N.A.N. will come into existence.

    O.N.A.N. Football Championships:

    Edmonton in The Year Of The Depend Adult Undergarment
    Chicago in The Year Of The Johnson Italian Sausage Link
    Monterrey in The Year Of The Dos Equis Pint

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  21. CJ says:
    @ChrisZ

    Three cities not marked on that map (Minneapolis, Chicago and Vancouver) are not there because their local governments refused to write a blank cheque to FIFA to cover costs. That’s why it’s “from Edmonton to Mexico City”. The event is rarely held in Europe because everybody there knows all about FIFA.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  22. Anon7 says:
    @Flip

    I subscribed to the NYT for a number of years. After the recent campaign and the current treatment of our President, Donald Trump, I quit. I am stunned at how these old media properties are being purchased and used for political activism on behalf of their owners and advertisers. They’re another example of extreme Left propaganda presented as respectable journalism.

    The Gray Lady is an old SJW tranny, as far as I can tell..

    Also, sorry to make you read two posts. I think that if I leave unz.com open too long on a Chrome browser on an iPad, it just swallows my posts and won’t show them. Bit rot?

  23. Yes, most Britons would agree that Orwell needs updating:

    “That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”

    He sounds awfully American here.

  24. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    ” I am stunned at how these old media properties are being purchased and used for political activism on behalf of their owners and advertisers.”

    But is there a reason why Trump, the GOP, and conservatives tolerate this? The left used geography and the legal system to seize the means of information distribution. We have to seize it back using the same means.

    Step one:

    Remove respectability from these propaganda outlets by ignoring them, refusing to speak with them. Call out their owners personally and publicly – Trump should make sure EVERYONE knows Bezos owns the WaPost and Slim had a substantial stake in the NYT. That’ll make everyone reflexively distrust them.

    Step two:

    Demand fairness from late night television talk shows – no more propaganda. If we don’t get it, local television stations should remove those shows from the line ups. We should start pressuring local stations and their advertisers.

    Step three:

    We use the power of the government (tax breaks) and seek foreign investment to build an alternative to Hollywood. Replace their television shows with our own.

    Step four:

    Use the FTC to break up large media monopolies. Force Bezos to sell the WaPo using some monopoly law against Amazon.

    Step five:

    Use the Justice department. Sue Twitter and Facebook. Force a policy onto them whereby they cannot ban users for any reason that does not violate the law.

    Step six:

    Pass legislation preventing companies from firing anyone for legally protected political speech. On the whole, this would benefit us greatly.

    Unfortunately, this requires erudition and organization from the lower class, which they aren’t particularly good at. The mega rich republican donors won’t like it either, so don’t expect our side to actually fight back anytime soon.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  25. @njguy73

    Edmonton in The Year Of The Depend Adult Undergarment

    That gives new meaning to the name Oiler.

  26. @Tiny Duck

    Orwell was a committed socialist

    If a man isn’t a committed socialist in 1948, he has no heart. If a man is still a committed socialist in 1984, he has no brain.

    Orwell was moving to the right, but there are so many “rights” that we can only guess which one he’d have ended up on. Neocon, nationalist, libertarian, who knows. But it’s a common arc in one’s forties. He didn’t make it to 50.

    Classic satire is often the work of reactionaries: Aristophanes, Juvenal, Swift, Waugh.

  27. @CJ

    Three cities not marked on that map (Minneapolis, Chicago and Vancouver) are not there because their local governments refused to write a blank cheque to FIFA to cover costs.

    St Paul just blew a bundle on an MLS stadium, to attract a franchise in that joke of a league. Three European practices would have helped here:

    *Promote an existing team from the lower levels.
    *Make the owners pay for their own stadium.
    *Name the club after the city it’s in, not the whole GD state.

    The only traditional aspect of the team is its way overused “United”. But I suppose that’s better than the old moniker, the Thunder.

    • Replies: @dr kill
  28. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    “Name the club after the city it’s in, not the whole GD state.”

    The best way for a small state to attract an audience is to generate loyalty by naming the team after the state as a whole, not a city. Hence, college football teams attract large audiences in the South. The owners here aren’t so stupid. There is a reason why they are millionaires and we are just guys who post on a blog.

    • Replies: @Haxo Angmark
  29. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Former secret police chief invokes Godwin’s Law over immigrant detainees. Compared President Trump’s detainee policy to a certain European country, late 1930s early 40s.

    Once also defended using metadata to kill people: https://www.justsecurity.org/10311/michael-hayden-kill-people-based-metadata/

    You know, Michael…there was another government that killed people without trials and based upon the merest suspicion of disloyalty. Maybe Mr. Hayden isn’t the best face for this Putin Meeting Distraction Campaign the left is running.

    PS. what kind of guy needs to refer to himself as a general on his twitter handle?

  30. @Charles Pewitt

    The director of the 1984 1984 hated the Eurythmics soundtrack. (It was added at the behest of Richard Branson.)

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-01-06/entertainment/8501010890_1_eurythmics-sound-track-annie-lennox

  31. Gordo says:

    Of course, people in 1937 or 1950 at least had some justification for their hysteria.

    Descendants of the same people. Intellectually and often genetically.

  32. @ChrisZ

    I heard that there will be over seventy (70) matches played in the USA in World Cup 2026, compared to only about ten in Mexico and ten in Canada.

    I don’t find anything at all wrong about partnering with our neighbors to win a World Cup or an Olympic host bid.

  33. Here Brad Parscale, in his role as Trump 2020 campaign manager, describes what he sees. He is only talking about the Democrat party, but it is part of the larger picture.

  34. Dan Hayes says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg Caesar:

    Lord Kenneth Clark summed it all best in Civilisation: Like all great wits he was a violent conservative.

  35. ChrisZ says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, I thought Norm MacDonald’s “gay ‘pride’” bit (featured on an earlier thread here) was pretty Aristophanean.

  36. @Charles Pewitt

    The requirement for college degrees for jobs that any moron could do is like the tax of the highway men. Here’s your 40K/year cubicle job, it requires a BA or an MBA, now go spend four-seven years of your life, get into debt 100K, get your paper from the Diploma Mill U., we’ll think about it.

    Meanwhile, what will the academics do when they need someone to string wires and install plumbing and oh, I don’t know, FARM? Water? Who’s to provide the water and pipes in the streets? I don’t see the Negros and women or Jews or Asians or Indians lined up for ANY of this work and I can tell you, once in place, it doesn’t work for long, it needs constant upkeep. They can’t kill all the non-college educated Whites. There is a serious shortage of Whites in THESE fields. They’re running outta Whites and the competition should get pretty stiff.

    If I had a son or daughter, I’d no sooner buy them a college education that involved humanities or politics than the man in the moon. No chance. Trade school. Unless they’re headed for Law, Medicine or Engineering or serious sciences, forget it. And even then, an enterprising young kid could be a Journeyman or even Master electrician in the time it would take to get a Master’s in some horseshit pursuit. The last meritocracy, these. No PC, no bullshit, sexism permitted and encouraged, profanity a requirement..

  37. J1234 says:

    Of course, people in 1937 or 1950 at least had some justification for their hysteria.

    This is true, and then some. Just as today, the mainstream media was in on promoting the leftist agenda, though maybe to a lesser degree. Here’s the New York Times’ obituary (or, more accurately, eulogy) for Joseph Stalin back in 1953. Yes, they acknowledge some of his murderous tendencies, but it seems hard for them to condemn such a great guy for such a minor flaw. The headline reads, Stalin Rose From Czarist Oppression to Transform Russia Into Mighty Socialist State. That’s the tone of the the whole article, generally speaking. It’s hard for them to conceal their reverence.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/1221.html

  38. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    David French, National Review:

    Israel Has the Right and Obligation to Defend Its Border with Deadly Force

    By David French
    May 15, 2018 2:41 PM

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/israel-has-right-obligation-defend-border-with-deadly-force/

    David French, National Review:

    Now Is the Time, Congress — End Family Separation
    By David French

    June 18, 2018 5:20 PM

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/family-separation-immigration-congress-end-it/

  39. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    BTW

    The EU is attempting to surreptitiously ban criticism of the Ruling Class using some copyright/link tax nonsense that will essentially ban memes and expose anonymous critics. The mask slips ever more.

  40. @Anon7

    Orwell’s 1984 is no longer a warning – it’s a primer on how to to run your campaign.

    True. But then they do not know that they are Robespierre.

  41. @Achmed E. Newman

    If I’m confused, imagine Tiny Duck’s brain.

    Magical thinking won’t help you here. The theory that Tiny Duck has a brain is a premise bereft of empirical evidence.

  42. OT: Geraldo just invented a new word on Hannity; “THIS IS NOT HYSTERICA! America.” He’s wrong of course. This is Hysterica.

  43. @Reg Cæsar

    If a man isn’t a committed socialist in 1948, he has no heart.

    Wrong.

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. –Winston Churchill

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  44. ANONYMOUS[438] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If a man isn’t a committed socialist in 1948, he has no heart. If a man is still a committed socialist in 1984, he has no brain.

    You also have to keep in mind that in 1948, many of the eugenic and ethnic policies that are crucial for a viable socialist economy were assumed to be part and parcel of the whole socialist agenda.

    Those assumptions are now thrown out the window. Modern socialism is simply eat the rich with no regard for preserving the quality of future generations, preserving social capital or preventing perverse incentives.

    It is simply not fair to accuse socialists of the early twentieth century as being the same kind of stupid as modern socialists. They are two very separate ideologies.

  45. @Steve Sailer

    And just two years later, the anti-fascist rhetoric was completely reversed and became anti-anti-fascist with the Nazi-Soviet pact. And two years after that, it went back to being anti-fascist when Hitler broke the pact.

  46. dr kill says:
    @ChrisZ

    Never underestimate what a man will do to keep a good-paying job.

  47. dr kill says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’m pretty sure they don’t play World Cup matches in MLS Stadia. They can sell 80k tickets, not 18k . World Cup fills NFL barns.

    • Replies: @jim jones
  48. @Tiny Duck

    Well, at least we’re doing it, funally. I like doing things funally.

    I have never met any Men of OClor. Are they as hot as Men of Rohan?

    You say the wolrd wuld be a MUCH BETRER PLAC. My dentist tells me PLAC is BAD.

  49. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi.

  50. Rod1963 says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) are the new Boxer of the present day. The Stalinists are now the Globalizers. The Globalizers have decided that all the hard work and all the soldiering over generations by the WWCDs will be rewarded with deliberate attacks and sneaky ways to harm them.

    It’s class war 2,0. The final solution.

    First they attacked the WWCD’s in England via Thatchers privatization scheme that both deindustrialized England and crushed it’s blue collar work force so that many ended emotionally wrecked with no job prospects and their children suffered as well. Ever notice the Brits at the same time began to liberalize booze and drugs among the youth. It’s no coincidence. Cripple the youth by turning them into boozed up and drugged up good for nothing losers. No threat of rebellion there as long as the pot keeps flowing.

    Bush and Clinton followed with NAFTA and other trade treaties that wiped out a 100 hundreds of work building up our industrial base in less than a decade. In the process many towns, communities and families were crushed in the process. Public debate on this was wiped out by the MSM and political class for almost 30 years until Trump came along. Even now none of the talking heads will bring this up. The HBD crew is no better.

    This is also why we refuse to stop China dumping synthetic opioids into the U.S. and allow Ebay, Wal-Mart and Amazon to launder drug profits back to China. Why? Because it’s getting rid of whites which our government and ruling class endorses.

    Look at the IG report. Our educated elite hates our guts and views as no better than scum who deserve to have no say in anything.

  51. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Re Tiny Dick:

    You know it’s not a troll because of the insane Leonard Pitts references.

    Pitts is an old, obscure regional media guy. I think he started at that single major newspaper in Baltimore. I can’t remember the name of the paper. Nobody cares about it anymore. Like the city itself it has dropped off America’s radar screen.

    Anyway what’s darkly amusing is that we’re suppose to go read Leonard Pitts boring, middle of the road newspaper columns to find deep truths about the shortcomings of the white race — as if Pitts is Minister Farakkan’s right hand man.

    Time to ask if Tiny Duck is actually Leonard Pitts. Drunk, of course.

  52. jim jones says:
    @dr kill

    Japan goes World Cup crazy:

  53. sb says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Quite
    Orwell was clearly moving to the right being very anti Communist ( and fellow travellers ) but at all times he was first and foremost an English nationalist . Certainly he was no supporter of Left solidarity

    In his time perhaps it was still maybe just possible to consider oneself to be of the left and to be a nationalist
    That era has long finished.

  54. @anony-mouse

    From an evolutionary ethology perspective, civilization is group selection and group selection is “war”. Hence, my correction of Clausewitz’s aphorism is entirely appropriate:

    Politics is the continuation of war by other means.

    Immigration — particularly of men — as “invasion” is no hyperbole.

  55. @bored identity

    Thankfully given that map we in Michigan do not have to be involved.

  56. I have started calling the mass media furies a ‘propagabda blitz’.

    The recent explosion around child separation is a perfect example. It is a combination of major media outlets all going into a froth, the expert use of social media, and the complete shaming of any other viewpoint. They announce a crisis precisely at the time there is movement on an issue, as a means of achieving a purely political objective. Thus, this crisis was timed to coincide with immigration legislation being discussed again.

    The left is getting more skilled at it, too, and is significantly helped by the suppression of right-wing accounts on social media platforms since November 2016. Trayvon was an early example of this, and they have only gotten better at using the tactics. The propaganda is often a mix of true and false components.

    Even small-time progressive players like Russell Moore of the SBC successfully used this recently. They announced a crisis prior to their yearly convention (think voting day for the SBC), used friendly media to spread the word and erupt in hysteria, and used social media to bludgeon their political opponents. It was wicked, but HIGHLY effective.

    As Steve likes to point out, we need a word for this. I am using ‘propaganda blitz’, because if you are on the receiving end it is akin to the blitzes over London in WWII, except instead of bombs it is 7-14 days of a brutal, propagandistic news cycle.

  57. @Steve Sailer

    My occasional warnings that we are in danger of heading towards a new McCarthy era, with the left holding the whip hand instead of the right, seem to fall on deaf ears.

    Arthur Miller was astonished by how similar the anti-Communist hearings were to the Salem Witch Trials. I had ancestors who were falsely accused of witchcraft in Salem (R. Nurse, the last woman hanged) and falsely accused of being Communist by McCarthy. (My grandfather escaped harm, but my father was persecuted for refusing to bear false witness against his own father).

    Later, Arthur Miller was contacted by people who had been through the Cultural Revolution in China. They thought he had taken his dialog from Chinese show trials. Almost exactly the same.

    There are many on the right who refuse to believe the excesses of the McCarthy era. After all, weren’t there real Communists? But then, I read the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing transcripts where McCarthy had denounced many people, including former and present members of Congress, including Grandpa Liberal. McCarthy had not a shred of evidence. It was just people he wanted to smear as Communists, including Albert Einstein. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Republicans as well as Democrats, tore McCarthy to shreds.

    My grandfather was not McCarthy’s real target. Some of my grandfather’s clients were spending huge sums of money for anti-McCarthy candidates.

    There are even some on the left who also believe that if McCarthy said someone was a Communist, then that person must’ve been a Communist. I mean, innocent people NEVER get caught up in witch hunts.

    There are others on the left who understand how far out of hand the anti-Communist witch hunts got in the 1950s, but see absolutely no relationship to what is going on now. I mean, those were innocent victims of the Republicans. We’re talking about RACISTS here.

    How can anyone prove they are NOT a racist?
    How can anyone prove they are NOT a fascist?

    It’s impossible.
    Just as it was impossible for innocent Chinese to prove they weren’t counter-Revolutionaries.
    Just as it was impossible for innocent Americans to prove they weren’t Communists.
    Just as it was impossible for innocent women in Salem to prove they weren’t witches.

    Unless right-wingers can say “hey, you’re doing to us what McCarthy did to people on the left he didn’t like” and unless left-wingers say “wow, you’re right!” then we will get more and more anti-racist and anti-fascist witch hunts.

  58. @Jim Christian

    Meanwhile, make sure your daughters (and maybe your sons too) know how to feed, burp, and change a baby. Learning how to comfort a crying one and discipline a misbehaving one aren’t bad skills either.

    The idea is not to get so stressed out that you are unable to raise your children to independent adulthood, either because you coddled them to make them shut up, or you lost it and killed them

  59. Well put, Mr. Christian. It it is hard for me to understand why white kids and blacks (whose families go back over one hundred years in America) don’t learn trades like plumbing or electrical work, welding, and many others.
    I had a trade that served me well even if it involved spending near 40% of my life working nights and weekends. I used a GI Bill after getting out in 70 (from USMC).
    I now am sure that commenters here who are much older have far more wisdom than the young and can see clearer about what has been going on in America and across Europe- letting in millions of people who will offer little to these countries unless these invaders take up plumbing and learn how to fix broken pipes and electrical lines and be able to work at 0200 when most of the world is sleeping.
    Is it laziness today? Why don’t our youth learn all these “getting dirty” trades?
    One can learn to live in a dirt fighting hole and also in grimy, wet sewers and lots of other places. Has the television and its idiotic delicate people in sitcoms influenced our youth ?
    As for this Tiny duck, over 400,000 US whitey service member died during WW2. It is mostly white men who are out in 10 below 0 weather fixing your power lines during winter storms and also in warmer areas after hurricanes have destroyed so much. The white man has not been a softy or a coward. He has taken the brunt of stopping killers and fighting nature’s destruction.

  60. @Paleo Liberal

    You’re related to Rebecca Nurse?
    That was one of the most shameful cases. If I remember the case correctly, she was a sickly old woman who had no idea why she had been singled out.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  61. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    “The left is getting more skilled at it, too, and is significantly helped by the suppression of right-wing accounts on social media platforms since November 2016.”

    Trump hasn’t helped himself by allowing these companies to continue to merge. Despite being a disruptive element, he’s also a pro-American old school kind of guy. That world is now passing by.

    As president, my top priority coming into the White House would have been to destroy these media companies by any means necessary – lawfare, anti-trust regulation, jailing their owners…just anything to destroy them. I would have additionally laid the groundwork for a well-funded opposition.

    The media (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) are nothing but party-run and deepstate-run propaganda.

    Just the other day, CNN interviewed the republican senatorial candidate from Virginia. Their propaganda segment uploaded to Youtube labeled the man “divisive” because he doesn’t believe in ripping down our historical monuments. However, polls show a large majority of Americans support his position. How can something be “divisive” when a majority support it? In reality, CNN was implying that he was “divisive” because they disagreed with him. They were attempting to influence the voters against him by portraying the man in a negative light. Pure propaganda…and I’m sick of it.

    #succeed

  62. @Anon

    “there is a reason…”

    in Europe and ‘Murka, most sportzball team owners

    are billionaire Jews. And the reason they’re billionaires

    is a gigantic, Tribally-networked, (((Central Bank)))-juiced pile of debt and debt-derivatives:

    (((Wall Street))).

  63. @Anon

    David French, an employee of (((Podhoretz))) and (((Goldberg))) is an average shabbatz goy;

    also, in order to even more furiously virtue-signal his Jew paymasters,

    he adopted a niglet.

    OTOH, this is small stuff compared to Trump

    having his daughter convert to Judaism and marry a (((bankster))).

  64. @Rosamond Vincy

    You’re related to Rebecca Nurse?
    That was one of the most shameful cases. If I remember the case correctly, she was a sickly old woman who had no idea why she had been singled out

    .

    Yes, I am a direct descendant of hers.

    Family story has it she was the most pious Christian in Salem. When she was executed, many people realized that if SHE could be condemned as a witch, then ANYONE could be.

    Trouble is, she had some neighbors who didn’t like her, so they denounced her as a witch. Of course, she wasn’t.
    In any witch hunt, there are many people who are there to settle some scores. In fact, the vast majority of people are accused because they pissed off the wrong person.

    That was true in Salem, that was true in the French Revolution, that was true in the McCarthy era, that was true in the Cultural Revolution, and in every other case.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Reg Cæsar
  65. @Paleo Liberal

    It’s true in #MeToo too, I’ll bet. Who’s gonna believe Weinstein/Cosby/Spacek when they deny anything?

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  66. @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    C’mon now. It was a play on that Frenchman’s rejoinder to Victoria a century and a half ago. I assumed most iStevers would be familiar with it, though it’s often misattributed.

    As many things are to Churchill. He once said that “rum, sodomy, and the lash” wasn’t his, but he wished it was.

  67. @Paleo Liberal

    After all, weren’t there real Communists? But then, I read the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing transcripts where McCarthy had denounced many people, including former and present members of Congress, including Grandpa Liberal

    No one put it in better perspective than Ronald Reagan, who said Tail-gunner Joe used a shotgun when he should have used a rifle.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  68. @Paleo Liberal

    That was true in Salem, that was true in the French Revolution, that was true in the McCarthy era, that was true in the Cultural Revolution, and in every other case.

    Though it all happened not in the village of Salem, but in the surrounding town. Those 17th-century deplorables!

  69. @Jim Christian

    … I can tell you, once in place, it doesn’t work for long, it needs constant upkeep.

    True. And largely unobserved.

  70. @Anon

    David French – hypocrite and sophist.

  71. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    We use the power of the government (tax breaks) and seek foreign investment to build an alternative to Hollywood. Replace their television shows with our own.

    I don’t know how to break the bad news to you but your government and Hollywood are on the same side.

    All your ideas would make sense but first you would have to control the government, and the government is firmly in the hands of the globo-capitalists. They aren’t going to give you back control of your government.

  72. @Jim Don Bob

    #MeToo is probably a very good analogy to the McCarthy era. There were some VERY serious issues with sexual harassment, and even rape.

    It does look like there has been a bit of an overreaction. Al Franken was pushed out of the Senate for behavior that was boorish, but the stuff he did over many years wasn’t as bad as one drunken party with Teddy Kennedy.

    And now there are all the #MeToo stories about “I had a date with this celebrity and it was ICKY”. Purely consensual stuff that was maybe a bit boorish or “icky”, and lives can be destroyed over it.

    I used to teach college. I left about 20 years ago. One of the reasons was the way things were changing with allegations of sexual harassment. When my wife was in college, I got upset because a professor tried to get her into a sex-for-grades arrangement, and nobody would believe her.

    Then, when I was teaching, I caught a student cheating. His girlfriend then claimed I was sexually harassing her, and only went after her boyfriend as punishment. Total fabrication. The department investigated, and I showed 100% clear proof her boyfriend had cheated. It also turns out this girl had a reputation for making up weird shit about professors she didn’t like, which helped clear my name. These days, all she would have to do would be to put up some made-up story on Twitter with the #MeToo hashtag, and my life would’ve been ruined.

    After that, I would sometimes refuse to meet with a female student alone in my office, which of course led to complaints that I wasn’t meeting with students in my office. You can’t win.

  73. @Reg Cæsar

    There is a world of difference between Reagan and McCarthy.

    Reagan was a man of principle; Joe McCarthy was a psychopath.

    Reagan started out as a liberal Democrat, and at that time the liberal Democrats were doing whatever they could to expel Communists from the Democratic Party. The worst was in Minnesota, where the Democratic Party merged with the Farm-Labor Party, which was crawling with Communists. People like Humphrey (yes, I know he was a crook) and Eugene McCarthy worked to expel the Communists from the new DFL Party.

    The ADA was founded by a group of people including Elanor Roosevelt, and part of their mission was to expel Communists from the Democratic Party. The first thing ER did was convince her husband to replace Henry Wallace (not a Communist, but perfectly willing to work with Communists) with Harry Truman. Fortunately FDR lived just long enough for Truman to take over as President.

    Also, many labor unions were actively purging Communists from their rolls. Even the AFL-CIO was doing that, big time. Contrast with France, where the Communists pretty much ran the unions.

    I don’t know how I feel about Reagan turning over the names of suspected Communists to the FBI. I don’t know if that was the right thing to do or not. Reagan paid an enormous price for that, essentially ending his role as a star, and ending his marriage to Jane Wyman.

    Joe McCarthy, on the other hand, was the sort of guy to jump in front of a parade and call himself a leader. He did that with his scam missions in WW II, and he did that with the anti-Communist purges. Joe McCarthy saw a way to advance his career, and he didn’t care if he destroyed innocent lives in the process.

    Being a true and blue liberal, I must say there are many, many things Reagan did with which I disagree. That being said, his acting on principle did so much to end the Cold War, with Gorbachev as his eager partner. Reagan did more to reduce the threat of nuclear war than all other presidents combined.

  74. @Paleo Liberal

    Humphrey was a crook? How so?

    Always thought of him as this guy:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  75. @Paleo Liberal

    People like Humphrey (yes, I know he was a crook) and Eugene McCarthy worked to expel the Communists from the new DFL Party.

    I always want to ask “DFLers” if they’re D, or FL. I prefer the FL; they’re closer to blood and soil.

    The ADA was founded by a group of people including Elanor Roosevelt, and part of their mission was to expel Communists from the Democratic Party.

    Something Franklin had little interest in. One of the more amusing cat fights on the right recently was when Ann Coulter claimed Truman was soft on communists. David Horowitz, the son of an actual communist (though perhaps not Communist), cried foul. His family should know. Truman after FDR was like night-and-day for real commies.

    Horowitz called Eldridge Cleaver nothing but a hustler; that might also fit Joe McCarthy. Didn’t matter whose side he was on. He was a Democrat in his first race. In the Senate, he was backed by unions, and voted for some of the New Deal.

    His first opponents were somewhat older than he, and he wasn’t above using gerontophobia to defeat them.

  76. @Rosamond Vincy

    Thanks. The Mrs doesn’t like my “Сделаем Америку снова великой!” ballcap I picked up at Reagan Airport recently. It’s “too political”, and she won’t let the kids wear it.

    But it reminds me of the kindler, gentler political humor of the ’60s and early ’70s, and I was running through a list of such practitioners in my mind– Art Buchwald, Russell Baker, Rich Little. But I had completely forgotten David Frye.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  77. @bored identity

    From Edmonton to Mexico City and everywhere in between, we are united.

    I liked the earlier version:

    From Atlanta, Georgia
    To the Gulf Stream water
    To Californ-i-ay
    I’m gonna spend my life
    A-pokin’ night and day…

    Gimme gimme good lovin’, every night
    Gimme gimme good lovin’, make it alright…

  78. @Reg Cæsar

    There’s a retro-channel here that has been showing Laugh-In. Despite its lefty and anti-war bent, there is none of the vicious hatred typical of current SNL. Both Nixon and William F. Buckley appeared on it, and participated in what turned out to be rather affectionate ribbing.

    SNL used to be like that, i.e., Gerald Ford, and they happily ridiculed Democrats Carter and Ted Kennedy in classic episodes. In recent episodes, however, they are partisan to the point where all humor is lost. They still kiss up to Obama despite his glowing lack of accomplishments while in office, and set up Donald Trump as the political straw man who must be knocked down again and again.

    I sometimes watch the old episodes of SNL they broadcast before the current ones. I can still appreciate the humor, even if some of the political issues date from before I was old enough to take an interest, just as a Gen-X friend grew up with his parents’ Yakov Smirnoff albums and remembers them fondly. But I don’t bother watching the new ones. Satire is meant to amusement and instruct; the current episodes do neither.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  79. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Paleo Liberal

    I must say there are many, many things Reagan did with which I disagree. That being said, his acting on principle did so much to end the Cold War, with Gorbachev as his eager partner.

    The end of the Cold War was perhaps Reagan’s most disastrous legacy.

  80. @Rosamond Vincy

    My wife, who was born after SNL’s debut, fondly remembers watching in the early ’90s with her half-brother and his German grandmother. All of them, the old lady especially, cracked up when Mike Myers, as Dieter, gave us “Germany’s Most Disturbing Home Videos”.

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