The Unz Review - Mobile
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 TeasersiSteve Blog
Updates on Smollett "Hate Crime"
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Troll, or LOL with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used once per hour.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

From the New York Post this afternoon:

Police find footage of potential people of interest in Jussie Smollett attack
By Carlos Greer January 30, 2019 | 6:26pm | Updated

Police found footage of potential people of interest involved in the alleged attack on “Empire” star Jussie Smollett.

“Police detectives have located surveillance cameras that show potential people of interest in the alleged assault and battery that was reported in the 300 block of E. North Water Street,“ Chicago Police told Page Six on Wednesday. “While the video footage does not depict an assault, the individuals pictured are seen in the vicinity of the alleged criminal incident during the alleged time of occurence.“ …

“Two unknown offenders approached him and gained his attention by yelling out racial and homophobic slurs towards him,” according to police.

They then “began to batter [him] with their hands about the face and poured an unknown chemical substance on the victim” while “one of the offenders wrapped a rope around” his neck before fleeing the scene, cops said.

Like I said last night, this one sounds so absurd that maybe it will turn out to be true, and we’ll hear about it endlessly for the next 64 years, like we hear about Emmett Till every week these days.

From the Boston Herald:

Cops: No video of attack on ‘Empire’ actor Jussie Smollett

PUBLISHED: January 30, 2019 at 3:48 pm

CHICAGO — Detectives have reviewed surveillance footage of “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett walking to a downtown Chicago apartment after an early morning visit to a Subway restaurant, but none of it showed an attack on the actor, a police official said Wednesday.

Investigators “for the most part” can confirm the route Smollett took early Tuesday when he says he was attacked by two masked men along a street in the Streeterville neighborhood, police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. However, there are gaps and none of the footage police have reviewed shows an attack, he said, noting that the review is ongoing.

Smollett, who is black and gay and who plays the gay character Jamal Lyon on the hit Fox television show, said the men beat him, subjected him to racist and homophobic insults, threw an “unknown chemical substance” on him and put a thin rope around his neck before fleeing.

Guglielmi said detectives who are investigating the allegations as a possible hate crime have looked at hundreds of hours of surveillance video from businesses and hotels in the heavily monitored area. But he said they still need to collect and view more. He said they are expanding the search to include footage from public buses and buildings beyond the scene’s immediate vicinity in the hopes of spotting the men who match Smollett’s description of the suspects.

“We haven’t seen anybody, at this point, matching the description he gave, nobody looks menacing and we didn’t find a container anywhere,” Guglielmi said, referring to a container for the liquid that the actor said was thrown at him.

So, what do you think really happened? (These choices are close to but not exactly the same as in my Twitter poll above.)

A. It really happened just the way Smollett said

B. Smollett made it all up

C. Smollett exaggerated a real event

D. Smollett repurposed a real event (e.g., an unfortunate drug or gay sexual encounter that left him disheveled) as PC excuse for why he looked messed up

E. Anything else?

 

 
Hide 435 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. This is a rough trade beat down a la Spacey in the London Park.

  2. I’ll go for D, and yes, it’s probably about the ghey.

    You didn’t ask, but when was it that I knew absolutely for sure that this story was bull****? The noose.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    When I read the “victims” first name
    , @Paco Wové
    Yes. The account got less and less plausible the more I read, but the noose pushed it beyond all bounds of credibility.
  3. Hmmm… I don’t know.

    I will use my chance to ask the Twittersphere for its opinion before I form mine.

  4. Are there 18 minutes of missing footage?

  5. He may have just slipped on the ice. Either that or he made it up completely. I think it’s also possible he sent the letter himself.

    A source familiar with the investigation told CWBChicago that the rope was “thin clothesline, straight out of the package.” The Sun-Times reports that the rope “didn’t necessarily resemble a noose” as has been widely reported.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    He may have just slipped on the ice.

    At 6 degrees, road salts don't melt ice, so it's slippery out there.

    , @El Dato
    Rope in the form of a noose
    Uknown xhemical substance

    Sounds like someone fell into a dumpster then teied to "explain" to mom.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    dang, ANY piece of cordage, whether a shoelace or mooring line, instantly becomes a noose in the presence of blacks.
  6. Did he appear beaten up and with a rope around his neck on the walk back?

  7. B, I think he made it up in order to become more famous.

    • Agree: Travis, anon1
  8. Smollett got into a lovers quarrel with his boyfriend and decided to gin up a hate crime to explain his injuries to friends. Not only should Smollett serve time for filing a false police report, he should pay for the hundreds of hours of police overtime spent investigating this nothingburger case instead of clearing the backlog of black-on-black murders in Chicago.

  9. All irrelevant. The important thing to remember is that the fact that people THINK it could have happened is an indictment of Trump’s America.

    GO FUND ME!!!

    • Replies: @Svigor
    If we were to lose this opportunity to browbeat, lecture, and harangue white men, that would be the greatest tragedy of all.
  10. I would like to say B but wouldn’t he know that you can be charged with filing a false police report? Plus he did go the hospital, so my guess is D or C in order of priority.

  11. D.)

    Black on Black Dogging Goes Bad

  12. Smollett sees a pair of crippled white guys smiling like the Covington boys, is triggered and beats them up. In spite of the fact that one is a quadriplegic and the other a paraplegic they best him.

    • LOL: bomag
  13. He’s an actor. His expertise is in pretending.

  14. E. Regardless of what happened, the fact that people could THINK a MAGA-racist could do this is an indictment of Trump’s America.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  15. The hoax was perpetrated by a publicity-hound homosexual man of limited and declining market value who is hoping for a second gust of wind as a professional victim in the employ of the SJW crew and their media. It would work better if he were a tranny.

  16. My initial guess was D, and nothing in the update causes me to change that guess.

  17. He ‘smolletted’ the whole thing.

  18. B (made up), with a small possibility of D.

    One of the worst things about the ‘media’ covering up anti-white and anti-white male hate hoaxes is that it encourages more, cos there’s no downside. Jackie and Mattress Girl aren’t in jail, professors who vandalise their own offices keep their jobs. Incentives and disincentives matter.

    But I guess to our elites this is a feature, not a bug.

  19. Are you aware of the threatening letter that was sent to the set of Empire? It adds another layer to this kooky story. Going with B.

  20. “D” sounds pretty good, but we know they got footage of him in the Subway, so have they got some later footage of him? Does he look any different? Does he look “assaulted” before he gets home?

  21. We need a Gillette-Smollett commercial. Include Nathan Philips too.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Lol stealing this
  22. Smollett repurposed a real event (e.g., an unfortunate drug or gay sexual encounter that left him disheveled) as PC excuse for why he looked messed up

    Maybe he walked up to some white guy to join him for the night, but the guy just smirked at him.

  23. Al Sharpton feels cheated and Tawana Brawley wants her money!

    • Disagree: Kyle
  24. Had his BF-for-the-night beat him up a bit. Next time he’ll perform better.

  25. Doesn’t matter; its going to end in 24- 48 hours with Smollett pleading mental health/substance abuse issues and heading off to a facility and a whole bunch of “while this incident may not have occurred, ongoing violence against gay POC is a real issue…” thinkpieces.

    After Covington though, I think most major media agencies have been noticeably more cautious; tellingly, the Obamas have also declined to comment so far on an issue that involves both their political obsessions and their home town…. I note, however, most current senior Democrats couldn’t resist twittering stuff they will shortly regret.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Except for NPR - this morning they promised an update with the latest on "the hate crime attack" and didn't throw the standard journalist word alleged.
    , @Forbes

    most current senior Democrats couldn’t resist twittering stuff they will shortly regret.
     
    Never in a million years will any Dem experience regret, as they don't suffer any consequences for their blathering inanities. In fact, media protects them by deep-sixing said comments, never repeating them. Only Reps get recent and ancient observations--taken out of context--repeated ad nauseam until it's the received truth.
  26. The Jeffery R. MacDonald murder case comes to mind circa 1970 when The Mod Squad was in its third season and enjoying peak popularity.

    Suspect MacDonald claimed to have been attacked by three male intruders, one black (Clarence Williams III “Linc”/”solid”) and two white (Michael Cole and Tige Andrews). A fourth intruder, described as a white female (Peggy Lipton) with long blonde hair and wearing high heeled boots and a white floppy hat partially covering her face, stood nearby with a lighted candle and chanted, “Acid is groovy, kill the pigs.”

    I think that case is still being litigated. So we may never know

  27. My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he’s absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    I’m going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @res

    They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.
     
    Do you think anyone is actually going to do anything about this? Other than memory hole it.
    , @J.Ross

    I’m going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.

     

    You're going to wager that? I wouldn't bet that way on any terms. Can you name one example of a hoaxer getting seriously prosecuted? Colin Flaherty found cases where the police just flat out refused to accept that anything was happening, refused to so much as write a report, and told rich people to just go home -- from this same department. The police are not the police.
    DEAR OLD PEOPLE. THE LAW DOESN'T WORK THE WAY IT DID WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER. There is effectively no law enforcement at all for a wide variety of activities.
    , @ben tillman

    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he’s absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).
     
    Except that he sent himself a threatening letter last week and then refused the bodyguards that Fox offered him. So perhaps it was premeditated.
    , @Mr. Rational
    This (case D) smacks of truth.  Elements like (the claim that) Smollet held a rope around his neck for some time after the alleged "assault" sound like an after-the-fact invention to cover something else.

    There have to be tens of thousands of MAGA-hat owners in Chicago.  Some smart attorney should get them together as a class and go after Smollet for defamation and include everyone who re-tweeted his bogus claims as co-defendants.  Let's make the libels hurt the libellers for a change.

    BTW, why don't I see my comment-as-posted and get an edit option in Steve's section any more?  I get it at Audacious Epigone.
    , @Ed
    Thread:

    https://twitter.com/robelgasabc7/status/1090786190117228546?s=21
  28. I was leaning towards D. but the fact that he was sent that ridiculous hate mail last week, turned it over to the FBI and declined the security protection FOX offered him makes me think he has been planning to do something like this. Why he chose to carry it out like this and with such an unbelievable story I can’t explain though.

  29. In the ongoing saga of “Who-Done-It to Smollett,” I’ll pick B. His story is too far fetched to take seriously. This drama queen crafted the perfect story wherein he’s the ultimate hapless PC victim, which, of course, makes him the subject of fawning praise from the likes of Caramel Harris, J. Biden, C. Booker, et al.

    Who ever said that (hate-hoax) crime doesn’t pay?

  30. My guess is:

    He made it up but the Dems piled on, recognizing an opportunity for name recognition flogging.

    They must be looking for potential candidates for Danny Davis’s seat in D7 in ’21. He’s what, pushing 80 now?

    Or maybe Maxine Waters’s? He lives in Santa Monica, doesn’t he? But living outside one’s district doesn’t matter.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-congress-living-outside-district-20151222-html-htmlstory.html

    • Replies: @Svigor
    It's an interesting question, how many Dems, and how prominent, have "piled on." Because think about how flakey this story is. In a serious country it wouldn't even make the news until the cops had vetted his story thoroughly. Pols certainly wouldn't be "piling on" because piling on to a liar and false accuser's bandwagon would be a career-killer. But apparently loads of them are "piling on," so the question is more "just how unserious a country do we have here?"
  31. iSteve — let’s just wait the proverbial 48 hours on this.

    If he was assaulted by a pair of MAGA-slogan chanting white persons, this will emerge Dylan Roof style and we will definitely hear about this, and we will deal with the consequences.

    If it comes out that Mr. Smollett’s assailants were, cough, persons he was acquainted with in some way, cough, that will eventually come out, but then we will stop hearing about this. At that time we can “pile on.”

    I don’t think taking a poll on this question at this early time is constructive to Noticing.

  32. It happened. Most whites are bloodthirsty racists. Any of Steve Sailor’s commentators could be guilty of racism and hate crimes.

    • LOL: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @fish
    Ohs Tinys…….


    Noes its didnts. member the time we was fytin and you went out to makes yoself feel betters. Yeh……you gotcho ass whupped jus like dis guy. Jus like did smallheds.

    Lenderb "always be splainin" Pittz
  33. @Art Deco
    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he's absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    I'm going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They're dotting the i's and crossing the t's until they have him dead-to-rights.

    They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.

    Do you think anyone is actually going to do anything about this? Other than memory hole it.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Yeah, there's a snowball's chance in hell of him being prosecuted, no matter how much evidence they have that he lied to the police.

    Smart money is on D.

    , @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.
    , @M. Hartley
    Wouldn't you love to be one of the cops forced to review hundreds of hours of surveillance video knowing full well that the story is complete BS.

    But wait! CPD says they've now found "two persons of interest" ..what could this mean?

    , @JimDandy
    Nope. You're imagining a world where Al Sharpton doesn't make lots of money as an important mainstream TV news pundit.
  34. Going with D and the fallout from a gay tinder hookup. Or gayes have their own tinder? Whatever. Or maybe he just smacked his self upside the head a few times.

    • Replies: @backup
    Actually, tinder was designed as a straight version of Grindr.
  35. @res

    They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.
     
    Do you think anyone is actually going to do anything about this? Other than memory hole it.

    Yeah, there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of him being prosecuted, no matter how much evidence they have that he lied to the police.

    Smart money is on D.

  36. I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported. Months from now his original story will still be referenced as proof that our side is bad, and people will look at you with a dumbfounded look when you try to tell them it was a hoax.

    • Agree: densa, M. Hartley
    • Replies: @ic1000
    Another vote for D, repurposing an actual event.

    NBC Nightly News was fully on board the mainstream bandwagon on Tuesday evening, with only few perfunctory allegeds thrown in. But tonight, word choices and tone of voice hinted at concern about a potential Narrative Collapse. The careful viewer could also have noted that the cops have yet to capture any frames of Haven Monahan and his evil twin from nearby surveillance videos.

    > I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported.

    Speaking of which, I went back to look at NBC Nightly News coverage of 7-year-old Jazmine Barnes' murder, since the implosion of the Handsome White Criminal plot line. Jan. 8 through Jan. 30, the infotainment show devoted 0.0% of airtime to developments in the case.
    , @OFWHAP
    I have friends who were under the impression that the Duke lacrosse players "got away with it" because the media didn't really go out of their way to tell people that it was all a hoax.
  37. The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples’ lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    • Agree: Tiny Duck., lhtness
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Well done Moose. I can't really say LOL, as i didn't laugh. But i was smirking.
    , @tyrone
    Careful with that stuff you might get offered a teaching position somewhere.
    , @Forbes
    <---Yeah, what he said. I'm in awe of the use SJW-PMS jargon all the way through.

    You might've broken the internet with that one...
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    That's splendid, GoBM. Like AnotherDad, I smirked aggressively as I read it, and then preened in my privileged assumed superiority.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Your hermeneutic praxis, while Othertruth-positive, is neither rigorous nor structural insofar as your truth-claims neither empha(size) nor even u(til)ize the language(s) of "rigor" and "structure."

    Please revisit your structural praxis so as to encompass a rigorous interrogation of structure. All hermeneutic buzzword boxes must be both checked /and/ unpacked.

    Clearly, much work remains to be done.
    , @Kratoklastes

    heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor
     
    No mention of transphobia? You monster.
    , @Song For the Deaf
    *golf clap*
    , @ThreeCranes
    Hats off and a sweeping bow.
    , @Anon
    You're really talented. You're wasting your god-given gift here in the Unz comments. You need to be planning a Sokol hoax of your own, after the dust from the Lindsay-Pluckrose-Boghossian Sokol Squared hoax dies down.
    , @Neuday
    Though irretrievably in my Ignore list, for those of you who question the Trollhood of Tiny Duck, he's helpfully outed himself by Agreeing with GOBM's inspired comment. Please let's have no more debates with TD, as this should settle the issue. No reason to consult Maynard Krebs any longer.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    reflects a heteronormative
     
    Cis-boom-bah!
    , @AndrewR
    That is some next-level satire. I'm in awe.
    , @c matt
    Don't know what's funnier, your comment, or that TD thinks it's for reelz!
  38. Negro males are the most virulently anti gay demo in US. He is blaming whitey for black homophobia

  39. E. The racist cops are covering for their fellow MAGA heads.

    Do try to keep up with the zeitgeist, Steve.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  40. @res

    They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.
     
    Do you think anyone is actually going to do anything about this? Other than memory hole it.

    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many “I found a noose” claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
    • Replies: @CAL2

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.
     
    I don't think Pittsburgh could be counted as random. The shooter talked about the Jewish immigration group which the synagogue had been supporting. So, it wasn't a random choice.

    It's like the guys in MN that firebombed the mosque which has had several jihadists come from it. You usually get two types on the right, random like you said or guys who do pick a target. The guys who pick a target usually don't get as much publicity.
    , @David
    On the noose, notice the rope is getting thinner.
    , @Anon
    Yeah, the noose thing is over the top.

    It's a tell that we're dealing with someone who maneuvers through the world as if it's populated with literary characters and not real people.

    The chances of city boys, even those filled with maliciousness, knowing how to tie a noose and going with that because of its heavy symbolism is....ridiculous. Real people are not Batman villains who design their crimes around symbols and calling cards. These things were practical in the old lynching days, when people were still rural, or whose family had recently left a rural-background.

    Today it is hooligan/mob weapons that would be in play: guns, knives, steel boots, steel chains,baseball bats. The type of things we see all the time with city kids up to no good and with some self-righteous mission of mob justice/mob terror. And those cracked enough to target celebrities go the route of Mark David Chapman or the guy who attacked Monica Seles; they don't have the self-control to not go all the way with their idiocy once the target is picked.
    , @Spaulding Smails
    If this completely collapses in on itself and gets exposed beyond all reasonable doubt (in the eyes of the public) as a hoax, I’ve got my doubts as to whether or not it’ll make that much of a splash. The Jackie Coakley thing kicked off with the Rolling Stone article a little over six months after I graduated from college. I actually remember being relieved when it was patently exposed as a hoax (I also remember reading Steve talking about how fishy the broken glass table and whatnot was, and linking to that blogger who got in a hilarious spat with that awful Jezebel writer) because I thought it would put the brakes on the PC madness that was at that point (November 2014, so the early rumblings of the late Obama-age collapse) starting to really blow up, à la how the Duke lacrosse scandal wound up in a lot of people very publicly getting a lot of egg on their faces (one of my best friends in middle/high school had a cousin on the Duke lacrosse team at the time; fortunately he wasn’t one of the three guys singled out by Mangum, Nifong et al., so I remember watching that whole thing unfold too).

    Needless to say I was completely wrong; it’s just been getting worse and worse and worse for the past 4+ years. And it’s been pretty much forgotten by most people, too! A few months ago I made a passing reference to it in a conversation with my girlfriend and I just got a blank stare. I expanded on it a little bit and she had no idea what I was talking about. Nada. She’s 22, so a few years younger than I am but she follows the news quite a bit, plus add to the fact that she had just started her freshman year of college in November 2014 so why wouldn’t she have heard about a massive gang-rape of some lily-white coed barely two months into her starting school? Totally memory-holed.

    And that’s if it’s painfully obvious that this guy was bullshitting. If all that happens is that they never manage to find footage of the dude getting roughed up or something like that (I think this is completely bogus, btw; nothing at all even remotely adds up) it’ll just get dropped from the news cycle like hot potato.

    , @res

    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.
     
    One of the comments about this led me to believe he was more circumspect with his statements to the police than he was to the press (and social media, etc.). Your scenario is the one I could see resulting in negative fallout for him, but I will be shocked if it happens in this case.

    I agree with the rest of your comment.
    , @Russ
    I'm reminded of the Sopranos episode in which Tony is hospitalized with some rapper who had been shot. The shooting bolstered the rapper's gangsta street cred and record sales. A jealous rival rapper arranged for Tony's somewhat fat-headed brother-in-law to shoot him on the outside of the thigh. Fathead shot him square in the arse.
    , @AndrewR
    Jesse Jackson infamously said that, even if the Duke Lacrosse male-accusing stripper turned out to be lying, he would ensure her "college tuition" was paid so that she "wouldn't have to stoop that low again."


    https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1091599/

    Jackson is a deeply evil man, and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.
    , @Endgame Napoleon
    Sharpton got a lucrative publicity bump from the hoax, but the hoax had a disparate financial impact on the non-rich, non-famous 15 year old that he talked into participating in the false-accusation rape hoaxing.

    Unsupervised teenagers in groups most certainly can be as mean as snakes, trying to outdo each other in sadistic displays of bullying to impress their peers.

    Today’s welfare and tax-credit-pampered, dual-earner or single, so-called working parents do not really raise their daycare-tended kids in many cases, but what are the chances that a whole group of teens would be out on the freezing-cold mean streets of crime-plagued Chicagoland at 2:00 am in the morning?

    And the Chicago of today—no less than the Chicago of twenty years ago or the Chicago from the days of Sinclair’s immigrant-stuffed meat-packing sweatshops—is not MAGA territory.

    Unless a midwestern urban backlash formed against the long-standing utopian bliss of Chicagoland diversity in some surviving white enclave, deploying a group of unsupervised teen guerrilla fighters to express its pent-up rage, it seems more likely that this guy might just be reliving the horrors of junior-high bullying.

    Or, he might be trying to beef up his show’s ratings among the advertisers’ most sought after group of viewers: big-spending youths whose product loyalties are still unformed. These days, many businesses are using emotional political pitches to beef up support for their brands, aiming the messaging at youthful consumers.
  41. The time: 2 a.m.
    The place: Downtown Chicago
    The city is in the middle of a record breaking cold spell, so, as per usual, there is a gang of white Covington Catholic High kids roving around looking for trouble.

    Bryce: “Hey, isn’t that the gay black dude from Empire?”
    Haven: “You mean the hip-hop musical drama TV show that we hate-watch every week?”
    Bryce: “Yeah, that’s the one”
    Haven: (checks his favorites tab on his phone, pulls up the bossip.com site) “Sure is him, and it says here he is half Jewish”
    Bryce: (shaking his head) “And you didn’t want to bring the noose or the bleach tonight …”

    It starts to get a little outlandish after this, but this first part, at least, is totally plausible.

    • LOL: ic1000
  42. E. He was attacked by vampires.

    Vampires can’t be seen in a mirror, right? Ok, well, I’m not a scinetist or anything but whatever physical principle it is that makes vampires invisible to mirrors, likely makes them invisible to cameras too. Think about it: have you ever seen a vampire in any image taken by a camera?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    When they hide their fangs, a lot of them can pass as living.
    , @Stan d Mute

    E. He was attacked by vampires.
     
    Good theory, but impossible because Chicongo.

    In Chicongo, the dead don’t suck blood or assault homo negroes, they just vote Democrat.
  43. Vampires can’t be seen in a mirror, right?

    That’s a myth.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    I will believe that is a myth when you can present me with a vampire who can be seen in a mirror.
  44. How about they put this idiot in jail for filing a false crime report. This reminds me of the Lebron James hoax where he said someone painted the N word on his gate. Unfortunately, by the time the cops arrived the N word had already been painted over. And guess what no video cameras in all the areas showed any perpetrators ever.

    The Sports and MainStream Media immediately covered it up and it just went away. These clowns must be held accountable for this type of stuff. From the Magic Native Americans to this story basically tells you that the Marxist Left will stop at nothing to control the dialogue of this nation. Just wait till these yahoos win the White House…then you’ll see total insanity.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    LAPD is scared shitless to lock up James or a member of his posse for that hoax. it's gone away as if it never happened. But it gave the various usual suspects a few days of empty outrage before they moved on to the next one.

    We are asked to believe the most famous athlete in the world who has children had no security cameras, nor did any of his wealthy neighbors. And he or his family had paint on hand to cover up the offending words in the middle of the night.

  45. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    Well done Moose. I can’t really say LOL, as i didn’t laugh. But i was smirking.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Thanks, Unz needs a 'smirk' button
    , @Stan d Mute

    Well done Moose. I can’t really say LOL, as i didn’t laugh. But i was smirking.
     
    I dunno, he kinda scared me. That was an uncanny imitation. Maybe he’s a secret squirrel NYT writer?

    I need a safe space where I can quietly reflect on all this.

  46. The most ridiculous thing about this story is not that we’re supposed to believe that two White guys wearing ski masks and (conveniently) MAGA hats were walking around Chicago on a frigid night with a noose and a bottle of bleach looking for a black homosexual victim but rather that the media will be able to convince NPCs that it did actually happen.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    https://www.facebook.com/TheCoyMccoy/posts/1990-i-wish-i-was-the-heavy-weight-champ-id-walk-into-the-nicest-restaurant-in-b/434007773342314/
    , @dc.sunsets
    The temperature was probably -10 deg F or lower. Everyone with a brain was wearing a ski mask.

    My question: Is an insulated MAGA hat even available? Or do they come sized to go over said ski mask? That stretches One-Size-Fits-All credulity, but otherwise I agree with others who noticed that rope (or clothesline) must now be part of a prepper's EDC kit.

    Hmmm. Is it clothesline or did someone unravel their paracord bracelet? The whole thing hinges on this question.
  47. Local Fox 32 reporter suggests a hate hoax based on a PD source:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel

    There’s also a possible fake story Smollett was beat up by the boyfriend of a guy he hit on at a club. But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn’t the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be “I’m already dating someone, but let me ask if he’s up for a threeway.”

    • Replies: @larry lurker
    Black gay guys can always find a reason to throw hands.
    , @Joe Stalin
    In the book "What Cops Know," based on statements made by Chicago Police, a killing where the body is really gone to town with by an assailant is not atypical for gay interpersonal violence.
    , @Bill B.

    Rahm on #JussieSmollett “Obviously the alleged statement of what happened here is horrific and there’s no place for it here in the city of Chicago. I know the police department is working aggressively to [get] to the bottom of what happened."
     
    So D then?
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    I don't think so, a drug deal gone wrong seems more likely. A request for a threesome would indeed be more likely, unless Jussie (with a name like that he had to turn out gay) was so drunk that he was just groping the guy and his boyfriend was having a roid rage moment.
    , @Anon
    "But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn’t the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be “I’m already dating someone, but let me ask if he’s up for a threeway.”"

    Well, you must have your little joke, but as the world's leading authority on Homos and Negroes (I wrote the book on it!) remember these guys are Negro first, Homo second, so the potential for violence/robbery is always ready to hand. It's a Negro thang, not a Homo one.
  48. This one’s easy:

    Smollet heard the word “vibranium” and man that sounded like something he’d enjoy. He went to find a screening and then tried to cut in a long line for free Black Panther tickets. Predictable beat down ensued.

    • LOL: Corn
  49. I’ll go with B. but it would be hilarious if some video turned up showing that D. was the case.

  50. It’s possible that it’s true so A. Those on the Right are just as susceptible to a blinkered outlook as the left and ignore hate and hate crimes in favor of outlook-serving clickbait.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Ok but when gays get beat up in Chicago, who is usually doing the beating up? White Trump voters? Really?
  51. It’s D. I figured it was D immediately after hearing the story yesterday.

  52. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    I don’t think Pittsburgh could be counted as random. The shooter talked about the Jewish immigration group which the synagogue had been supporting. So, it wasn’t a random choice.

    It’s like the guys in MN that firebombed the mosque which has had several jihadists come from it. You usually get two types on the right, random like you said or guys who do pick a target. The guys who pick a target usually don’t get as much publicity.

  53. Smollett probably did not call the police. My understanding is ERs are required to report all assaults to the police. That is why the police showed up. Smollett should probably have not made any comments without first consulting a lawyer, but he did.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Oddly, you seem to be implying that he has a realistic chance of being prosecuted should his story turn out to be fictitious. I'm not sure what would make you think that.
  54. @AnotherDad
    Well done Moose. I can't really say LOL, as i didn't laugh. But i was smirking.

    Thanks, Unz needs a ‘smirk’ button

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    Better even than a “smirk button” would be to have an allocation scheme for smirks to commenters, with the commenters being able to bestow their allotted smirks upon the comments of others at whim.

    Your original comment above was excellent. I would give it many smirks if I had those smirks to give.
  55. @res

    They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.
     
    Do you think anyone is actually going to do anything about this? Other than memory hole it.

    Wouldn’t you love to be one of the cops forced to review hundreds of hours of surveillance video knowing full well that the story is complete BS.

    But wait! CPD says they’ve now found “two persons of interest” ..what could this mean?

  56. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    On the noose, notice the rope is getting thinner.

  57. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    Careful with that stuff you might get offered a teaching position somewhere.

  58. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    <—Yeah, what he said. I'm in awe of the use SJW-PMS jargon all the way through.

    You might've broken the internet with that one…

  59. If it was closer to a Presidential election, I would say they were waiting for Trump to weigh in strongly, then sandbag with smoking-gun proof (but the perps would never be fully identified and caught, leaving the wound to fester (and two retired FBI agents turned private security would later be Arkancided to zero press coverage)).

    As cold as it is and as far from the election as it is, I must go with the PC excuse option.

  60. Curtis Scoon suggests this hoax was timed to take attention off of that dem donor perv guy in L.A. (Buck)

    Scoon seems to be based and woke all at the same time.

  61. @Lot
    Local Fox 32 reporter suggests a hate hoax based on a PD source:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel

    There's also a possible fake story Smollett was beat up by the boyfriend of a guy he hit on at a club. But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn't the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be "I'm already dating someone, but let me ask if he's up for a threeway."

    Black gay guys can always find a reason to throw hands.

  62. I’d say C but who the hell knows? None of this makes sense. Gay bashers don’t hang out in Streeterville, much less at 2a.m. when it’s 7 degrees out. And I don’t think anyone within 50 miles of Chicago would ever call it MAGA country.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I haven't lived in Chicago for 19 years, but Streeterville wasn't a gay area back then. The gay area of Chicago was 4 miles north along Broadway.

    Streeterville was kind of a yuppie corporate worker place in the late 20th Century. Lots of expensive high rises, but a little bleak for some reason. I imagine lots has changed since then, though.

  63. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:

    E. Somebody put him up to it. Somebody needs recurring hate hoaxes.

    “They” simply want the words “gay” and “hate” continually linked in the news to penetrate minds. That makes it easier to:
    A) justify special rights/goodies/treatment of subnational groups
    B) cement the idea of an active “hater” group (white, religious, unexplainable)

    The how they put him up would be interesting to understand.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    It's funny. Gays so blindly support the establishment left but don't even benefit from any kind of affirmative action unlike women and blacks. And they don't demand it either! Sure, you might do better in something like the fashion industry but the vast majority of gay guys don't work in that kind of field. There are practically no special scholarships, government programs, unofficial diversity mandates, etc. for gays. We're just part of the victim set and used for political purposes but we don't even get any of the benefits.
  64. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:

    CASE UPDATE: Hours ago #ChicagoPolice detectives located a surveillance camera that shows potential persons of interest wanted for questioning in reference to the assault & battery of Empire actor. A community alert w/ photos is being constructed and will be disseminated shortly. pic.twitter.com/hu3HaPN5h1— Anthony Guglielmi (@AJGuglielmi) January 30, 2019

  65. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    Yeah, the noose thing is over the top.

    It’s a tell that we’re dealing with someone who maneuvers through the world as if it’s populated with literary characters and not real people.

    The chances of city boys, even those filled with maliciousness, knowing how to tie a noose and going with that because of its heavy symbolism is….ridiculous. Real people are not Batman villains who design their crimes around symbols and calling cards. These things were practical in the old lynching days, when people were still rural, or whose family had recently left a rural-background.

    Today it is hooligan/mob weapons that would be in play: guns, knives, steel boots, steel chains,baseball bats. The type of things we see all the time with city kids up to no good and with some self-righteous mission of mob justice/mob terror. And those cracked enough to target celebrities go the route of Mark David Chapman or the guy who attacked Monica Seles; they don’t have the self-control to not go all the way with their idiocy once the target is picked.

  66. How many hate hoaxes would it take before the Democratic Presidential candidates and their twittertard followers stopped believing them immediately? Once a day for a week? A month? A year?

  67. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    That’s splendid, GoBM. Like AnotherDad, I smirked aggressively as I read it, and then preened in my privileged assumed superiority.

  68. • Replies: @Tiny Duck.
    Chicago PD are notorious racists who cover up hate crimes like Freddy Gay.
    , @Forbes
    CPD spent hours questioning Smollett? How could it take hours--except for, "I'm gonna ask you one time, from the beginning."

    And they've watched hours of CCTV. Again, how could that take hours? Multiple cameras, sure, but presumably Smollett reported when and where it happened--so a few minute time for each camera, adding on a few minutes for overlap/review. Hours means that can't find anything along the entire route he traversed.

    And Chicago FBI are involved because why...

    Alternative Weigel: "I'm not accusing Smollett of lying. He's provided a fantastic story which fails to produce any evidence. So far."
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I thought you only had 144 characters to work with? Let me shorten this one:

    "To be clear, ... blah, blah, blah ... yeah, he's probably lying."
     
    I pick (D) BTW, just guessing on who the people are, not based on any evidence I've seen.

    "OK, sir, you don't care about evidence. I select you as juror number 1."
    , @ben tillman
    Do you think they found it odd that 45 minutes after he got home, he "still" had the clothesline around his neck? Or that the "bleach" didn't affect his clothing? Or that he called his manager instead of the police? What do you think, Lot?
    , @guest
    "extremity of his claims"

    Who talks like that?
  69. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    Your hermeneutic praxis, while Othertruth-positive, is neither rigorous nor structural insofar as your truth-claims neither empha(size) nor even u(til)ize the language(s) of “rigor” and “structure.”

    Please revisit your structural praxis so as to encompass a rigorous interrogation of structure. All hermeneutic buzzword boxes must be both checked /and/ unpacked.

    Clearly, much work remains to be done.

    • Replies: @fish
    I like where this is headed……..a POMO "Drop the Mike" challenge to the death…..or at least until we go to commercial between you and "Ghost of Bull Moose"!
    , @Jmaie
    10 demerits for reuse of the words praxis, structure, etc.
  70. Jussie sounds lots like pussy. Perfect way for kids to tease and traumatize him in grade school on up. So blame mom and dad for this ridiculous fem sounding name. Deonte would have been better.

  71. @Lot
    https://twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1090703477888581632

    Chicago PD are notorious racists who cover up hate crimes like Freddy Gay.

  72. Probably D – I doubt he just made this up out of whole cloth, but I’m guessing that if he actually took some physical damage it was not from a person or persons who announced they were viewers of his show and displeased with him and wanted him to know they were Trump supporters to boot. In fact, I can’t even imagine an urban dweller using the term “country” to indicate the area in which they lived.

    Supposedly there is some video that shows ‘persons of interest’ but that is just cop-speak for “we spotted some humans on video and do not know who they are yet.”

  73. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor

    No mention of transphobia? You monster.

  74. Why do the NYT, etc. get away with reporting obvious hoaxes as if they are just established facts? Aren’t they supposed to at least throw in an “allegedly” or two?

    To be consistent, they should report space alien abduction reports as established facts until video can prove the aliens are innocent.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    It's disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett's attack. They don't give column inches to countless actual murders. Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.

    Covering Smollett's attack at all is another example of their extreme left bias, to the point of self parody.
    , @J.Ross
    There were people who called them out on it, they got deplatformed.
    , @South Texas Guy
    In the absence of a suspect, no 'allegedly, alleged, or any other synonym is needed.' Someone is only a 'murderer, rapist, robber, etc.' once they are convicted, or have confessed.

    Makes me kind of wonder whether the WaPo, NYT, or other outlets have been so recently callous about leaving out 'alleged(ly).' It would seem that stories that point to a 'hate crime' occurring as a matter of fact might possibly in the eventual arrest of a suspect be actionable in civil court.

    I suspect they smelled a rat as quickly as we did, and just went with the inflammatory prose to gin up the base.
  75. It has come out that Inspector General Horowitz flat out lied and is now all but admitting that he lied. Plainly criminal matters were categorized as not criminal. The 33,000 “deleted” emails were not deleted but will not be released or examined. The Awan case never went anywhere and Debbie Wasserman Schulz was investigated by her brother. And the Mueller fake investigation continues to criminalize association with the elected President. There are no good guys, there are no real investigations. It’s just the deep state tantrumming out Trump’s term, pardoning its own as Trump will not for his own, and continuing with business as usual.
    How then can we be mad at this guy? This guy has as much or more integrity and professionalism as the FBI, the Office of the Inspector General, and any given public prosecutor. Normies live in a world that is entirely made out of lies, and they know it and prefer it that way. They think that telling the truth is for suckers and that the only way to accomplish anything is through lying.
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9190
    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/27850
    Why worry about mestizo caravans, cratering replacement and collapsing IQ when this is how our government operates? We are already Mexico.
    We need the Christmas Weasel or we need chewable grape-flavored cyanide.

  76. @International Jew
    E. He was attacked by vampires.

    Vampires can't be seen in a mirror, right? Ok, well, I'm not a scinetist or anything but whatever physical principle it is that makes vampires invisible to mirrors, likely makes them invisible to cameras too. Think about it: have you ever seen a vampire in any image taken by a camera?

    When they hide their fangs, a lot of them can pass as living.

  77. Good updates from the Crime in Wrigleyville/Boystown website (my apologies if this has already been posted):

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/01/update-tv-star-told-cops-to-turn-off.html

    UPDATE 10:41PM JAN 29 — Chicago police just announced that they have still not found any video of any suspects nor have they found any video of any vehicles in the area of the reported attack. Detectives have “expanded the search area for cameras to be able to provide photos of the alleged assailants in this attack,” CPD chief spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi tweeted. “We are continuing to broaden our search.”

    A source familiar with the investigation told CWBChicago that the rope was “thin clothesline, straight out of the package.” The Sun-Times reports that the rope “didn’t necessarily resemble a noose” as has been widely reported.
    ——————————-
    The TV actor who reported being attacked in Streeterville early Tuesday by men who made racist and anti-gay comments while tying a rope around his neck and throwing bleach on him asked Chicago police officers to turn off their body cameras after they arrived to take his report, according to a CPD source.

    Jussie Smollett, the 36-year-old star of Empire, told police that he was attacked near his friend’s high-rise apartment while walking to get food at the Subway restaurant, 511 North McClurg Court, around 2 a.m.

    Crime victims sometimes ask the police to turn off their cameras when officers enter private residences, a police spokesperson said.

    In other developments:

    • Smollett was still wearing the noose around his neck when police arrived at his friend’s apartment nearly 45 minutes after the attack, according to a police spokesperson. Police took the rope as evidence.

    • Chicago police denied an ABC report that the FBI had taken over the investigation. The federal agency is looking into a separate incident in which a threat letter was mailed to Smollett in the past two weeks.

    • Smollett was said to be reticent to file a police report even after police arrived.

    • Police were summoned to an apartment in the 300 block of East North Water Street after a man who identified himself as a friend of Smollett’s called 911 and said that a “well-known” person had been assaulted and battered after leaving his apartment, and they wanted a report. The apartment building is directly across the street from the Sheraton Grand Hotel’s main entrance. The block also has a lower level—similar to Wacker Drive—for parking and service access.

    • EMS services were declined by the friend. Smollett later took himself to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, police said.

    • During his first conversation with police, Smollett did not say that the attackers made “MAGA” comments, a police spokesperson said. That detail was published by TMZ.com and Smollett mentioned it during a follow-up interview with police later in the day, according to the spokesperson.

    • Contrary to widespread reports that the alleged attackers were white, Smollett has not identified the attackers by race because the men were masked and wore gloves, according to police.

    • Police reviewed video from dozens of public and private surveillance cameras in the Streeterville area. As of 2:45 p.m. they had not seen any images of the attackers. Investigators have found footage of Smollett alone inside the Subway shop.

    /

    I’m going with made up, at least the part about an altercation on the street. Perhaps this was a quarrel between he and his male sex partner within his apartment. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    When the police arrived they must have been confused. Where had the well known person disappeared to?
  78. Feel the Bern:

    @SenSanders
    The racist and homophobic attack on Jussie Smollett is a horrific instance of the surging hostility toward minorities around the country. We must come together to eradicate all forms of bigotry and violence.

  79. CASE UPDATE: Hours ago #ChicagoPolice detectives located a surveillance camera that shows potential persons of interest wanted for questioning in reference to the assault & battery of Empire actor. A community alert w/ photos is being constructed and will be disseminated shortly.

    Here he is:

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, I knew Philips had issues with blacks. Good work Chicago PD.
    , @Barnard
    It took them almost 36 hours to find video of two random, totally unidentifiable people walking together so they release it and declare them persons of interest. I think we are getting closer to an attempt at a hate hoax framing. That has to be the next step in this madness.
    , @Thomas
    They better bring the National Guard into the task force.
    , @Cloudbuster
    They appear to be humans. Definitely bipedal. This narrows it down a lot. The squid people of Betelgeuse 4 are off the hook!
  80. @istevefan
    I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported. Months from now his original story will still be referenced as proof that our side is bad, and people will look at you with a dumbfounded look when you try to tell them it was a hoax.

    Another vote for D, repurposing an actual event.

    NBC Nightly News was fully on board the mainstream bandwagon on Tuesday evening, with only few perfunctory allegeds thrown in. But tonight, word choices and tone of voice hinted at concern about a potential Narrative Collapse. The careful viewer could also have noted that the cops have yet to capture any frames of Haven Monahan and his evil twin from nearby surveillance videos.

    > I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported.

    Speaking of which, I went back to look at NBC Nightly News coverage of 7-year-old Jazmine Barnes’ murder, since the implosion of the Handsome White Criminal plot line. Jan. 8 through Jan. 30, the infotainment show devoted 0.0% of airtime to developments in the case.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Tiny Duck.
    I bet you $100,000 the perp bigot is white.
    , @Arclight
    When this all collapses, the narrative will be that even though this was fake, the climate of hate is so strong that it COULD have happened exactly that way, and we all need to learn from/apologize for that.
    , @Hidden Cat
    ABC evening news hyped it as well. With attendant drama from Empire leads.
  81. Two words: Rough Trade.

  82. My guess is E: as tirelessly Trump-deranged as our media is, they’re a little too shook up from Covington blowing up in their faces to let it all ride on this week’s Negro standing next to a backward-swastika. With spray paint on his hands.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    Say! You know something? - if the NYT or WAPO or CNN or The Atlantic or NBC News or anybody already in the club were actually in the news business besides, there's a knockout, Pulitzer-sweeping series on Hate Hoaxes In the Age of Trump just waiting to be written.... with a sidebar on how Bolshevik bullshit stories (like Covington) last a week or longer at ear-splitting volume round the clock, while far more socially-significant stories like The Lonesome Ballad of James Polite sink to the bottom of Davy Jones' locker within 24 hours. Almost like they were wrapped in heavy chains or wearing cement shoes.

    Ain't that something?
    , @Kyle
    Covington didn’t blow up in their faces. Random blacks were shouting “we was kangz” from a street corner. Indians were bangin war drums. A group of young boys got rowdy and mocked the Indians by starting the tomahawk chop. The MSM and their audience got exactly what they were looking for. Covington did not blow up in their faces. You think it did. That’s because conservative media did a full court press on the issue in order to distract its dormant viewers from the Venezuela coup. Nobodies opinion has changed because of the Covington situation. We just missed out on discussing the Venezuela coup and were all a little dumber because of it.
  83. I remember when Kevin Spacey was theatre director at the Old Vic in London and turned up battered and bruised on a Monday having claimed he was attacked while out walking his dog in a London park at 4am on a Sunday morning…

    • Replies: @Anon
    Spacey was in a park notorious for random gay sex hook ups for the last 200 years.
  84. I for one actually do believe everything Smollett said is true, it really happened. He got a couple white gay friends together, had them wear ski masks and shout MAGA slogans while beating him and tying a rope around his neck to make his orgasm more intense. As for the unknown substance they splashed all over his face, take a wild guess.

  85. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    If this completely collapses in on itself and gets exposed beyond all reasonable doubt (in the eyes of the public) as a hoax, I’ve got my doubts as to whether or not it’ll make that much of a splash. The Jackie Coakley thing kicked off with the Rolling Stone article a little over six months after I graduated from college. I actually remember being relieved when it was patently exposed as a hoax (I also remember reading Steve talking about how fishy the broken glass table and whatnot was, and linking to that blogger who got in a hilarious spat with that awful Jezebel writer) because I thought it would put the brakes on the PC madness that was at that point (November 2014, so the early rumblings of the late Obama-age collapse) starting to really blow up, à la how the Duke lacrosse scandal wound up in a lot of people very publicly getting a lot of egg on their faces (one of my best friends in middle/high school had a cousin on the Duke lacrosse team at the time; fortunately he wasn’t one of the three guys singled out by Mangum, Nifong et al., so I remember watching that whole thing unfold too).

    Needless to say I was completely wrong; it’s just been getting worse and worse and worse for the past 4+ years. And it’s been pretty much forgotten by most people, too! A few months ago I made a passing reference to it in a conversation with my girlfriend and I just got a blank stare. I expanded on it a little bit and she had no idea what I was talking about. Nada. She’s 22, so a few years younger than I am but she follows the news quite a bit, plus add to the fact that she had just started her freshman year of college in November 2014 so why wouldn’t she have heard about a massive gang-rape of some lily-white coed barely two months into her starting school? Totally memory-holed.

    And that’s if it’s painfully obvious that this guy was bullshitting. If all that happens is that they never manage to find footage of the dude getting roughed up or something like that (I think this is completely bogus, btw; nothing at all even remotely adds up) it’ll just get dropped from the news cycle like hot potato.

    • Replies: @DrW
    I think we should broadly publicize this particular web site that keeps a list of hate crime hoaxes. While certainly not authoritative, this is a very interesting site indeed.

    http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/
  86. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    *golf clap*

  87. I don’t think anyone has fully considered the issue with the “bleach” allegedly poured on him. Bleach freezes at 18-19 degrees Fahrenheit….it was 6 degrees that night.

  88. Fox’s marketing arm is trolling the MSM. Hasn’t anyone looked at the ratings?
    https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/empire-fox-tv-show-season-five-ratings/

  89. @istevefan
    I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported. Months from now his original story will still be referenced as proof that our side is bad, and people will look at you with a dumbfounded look when you try to tell them it was a hoax.

    I have friends who were under the impression that the Duke lacrosse players “got away with it” because the media didn’t really go out of their way to tell people that it was all a hoax.

  90. Doctors should be able to quickly determine what, if any, chemicals were thrown on him. If there is no report of a medical verification of such then that will scream “Fake!” This really smells of Covington Derangement Syndrome. It may very well have been motivated by an irresistible impulse to rapidly drown out the exposure of last week’s fake story with a new one.

  91. @Lot
    https://twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1090703477888581632

    CPD spent hours questioning Smollett? How could it take hours–except for, “I’m gonna ask you one time, from the beginning.”

    And they’ve watched hours of CCTV. Again, how could that take hours? Multiple cameras, sure, but presumably Smollett reported when and where it happened–so a few minute time for each camera, adding on a few minutes for overlap/review. Hours means that can’t find anything along the entire route he traversed.

    And Chicago FBI are involved because why…

    Alternative Weigel: “I’m not accusing Smollett of lying. He’s provided a fantastic story which fails to produce any evidence. So far.”

  92. @Ragno
    My guess is E: as tirelessly Trump-deranged as our media is, they're a little too shook up from Covington blowing up in their faces to let it all ride on this week's Negro standing next to a backward-swastika. With spray paint on his hands.

    Say! You know something? – if the NYT or WAPO or CNN or The Atlantic or NBC News or anybody already in the club were actually in the news business besides, there’s a knockout, Pulitzer-sweeping series on Hate Hoaxes In the Age of Trump just waiting to be written…. with a sidebar on how Bolshevik bullshit stories (like Covington) last a week or longer at ear-splitting volume round the clock, while far more socially-significant stories like The Lonesome Ballad of James Polite sink to the bottom of Davy Jones’ locker within 24 hours. Almost like they were wrapped in heavy chains or wearing cement shoes.

    Ain’t that something?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  93. Stigmata : Christianity
    Incidents Like This :: Minoritarianism*

    *or whatever you would like to call it

  94. I’m going with D…

    From 2008: “CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said…”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said…
     
    He was well named, presumably he was on a "Dick Quest" when he was arrested.

    https://nypost.com/2008/04/19/kinky-news-network/
    , @El Dato

    and a sex toy in his boot
     
    "Uh, officer, that's not a 'boot'."

    "Well, we are just missing a 'y' here, let's not go overboard on accuracy."
  95. This is exactly what I was going to say, but you beat me to it.

    Also: “D”. Gay assignation gang agley.

  96. @Jack D
    CASE UPDATE: Hours ago #ChicagoPolice detectives located a surveillance camera that shows potential persons of interest wanted for questioning in reference to the assault & battery of Empire actor. A community alert w/ photos is being constructed and will be disseminated shortly.

    https://twitter.com/AJGuglielmi

    Here he is:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/1*_buA3XBlVNK29UQduI_G7A.png

    Jack, I knew Philips had issues with blacks. Good work Chicago PD.

  97. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    Hats off and a sweeping bow.

  98. @ic1000
    Another vote for D, repurposing an actual event.

    NBC Nightly News was fully on board the mainstream bandwagon on Tuesday evening, with only few perfunctory allegeds thrown in. But tonight, word choices and tone of voice hinted at concern about a potential Narrative Collapse. The careful viewer could also have noted that the cops have yet to capture any frames of Haven Monahan and his evil twin from nearby surveillance videos.

    > I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported.

    Speaking of which, I went back to look at NBC Nightly News coverage of 7-year-old Jazmine Barnes' murder, since the implosion of the Handsome White Criminal plot line. Jan. 8 through Jan. 30, the infotainment show devoted 0.0% of airtime to developments in the case.

    I bet you $100,000 the perp bigot is white.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    I bet you $100,000 the pervy pickup was white. FIFY.
    , @ic1000
    > I bet you $100,000 the perp bigot is white.

    OK, how about two $100k bets, one for the Jussie assault and the other for Jazmine’s murder. Deal?
  99. Chicago Sun Times posted this around 10 minutes ago.

    Chicago police officials say they plan to release surveillance images Wednesday evening that show two “persons of interest” in the alleged racist and homophobic attack on “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett.

    Police say the two individuals are wanted for questioning as detectives continue to investigate Tuesday’s brutal incident as a hate crime.

    Until Wednesday evening, police had said detectives did not have enough information to release a description of Smollett’s two assailants despite reviewing hundreds of hours of video from the surrounding area.

    Smollett was the target of the reported attack around 2 a.m. Tuesday as he was walking back to an apartment after a late-night meal at a Subway restaurant at 511 N. McClurg Court, police said.

    Two men yelled racist and homophobic slurs at Smollett in the 300 block of East North Lower Water Street, before they hit him in the face, poured what is suspected to be bleach on him and put a rope around his neck, Smollett told police.”

    I still call bullshit on this “hate crime.” Even with hundreds of hours if video Chicago’s Finest don’t have enough information to release a description of the alleged assailants.

  100. Given the “threatening letter” he’d “received” a few days prior, I’d say it’s

    He made it all up: 80% (and 95% the hoax aspect was at least partially premeditated)
    Grossly exaggerating a diss or microaggression: 15%
    Real injury but hoax culprit: 4%
    Real injury from more mundane un-PC attack (e.g. gay-bashed by straight guy he hit on): 1%
    He’s telling the exact or only modestly exaggerated truth: 0.01%

    • Replies: @Arclight
    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).

    It's so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.
    , @Lot
    The fake "Maga" letter threat from several days prior shows this was a premeditated hate hoax, not a drug/sex situation.

    He claims his "attackers" started out by saying:

    "Aren't you that f***ot 'Empire' n*****?"

    But if they were stalking them, they would have had to wait for him to finish his subway sandwich outside in subzero temperatures. With bleach and a noose.

    The cut out letters have a frilly fashion magazine look too.
    , @anon
    My favorite thing about that letter, apart from the fact that the poor red gentleman with the lei is apparently being menaced with a cordless power drill, is the fact that the letters are cut and pasted quite neatly, but the drawing is made to look like it was done by a four-year-old who is barely able to hold a crayon properly.

    I give bonus points for one L in "Smollett" being in the correct orientation, while the other is backwards. As though the writer isn't sure which way was correct, so he decided to cover his bases by doing one each way. But at the same time, the "T" is done in a very distinctive style, that looks more like an old-style "F" that someone saw somewhere and decided to incorporate into their handwriting to make it seem fancier.

    , @Anon
    The thing about the letter:

    -- Occam's Razor would seem to make it unlikely that there would be a letter and an incident so close to one another, unless the letter got publicity and provoked the two persons involved in the incident.

    -- If they are related, it means that there was a conspiracy of two people writing the letter. That seems unlikely. Crazy letters are planned and written by one person.

    -- If they are related and the threat was serious, why bleach? Why not a gun?

    -- Was the alleged attack premeditated? If so, how did they know where he was? Inside job? Why bleach and a thin cord?

    Reading Malkin and Soave, who are calling the police and working the phones, many of the facts seem to be in dispute: what he actually said when to which cop and what written report it turned up on. These facts include the MAGA mention, the identification of a liquid as bleach, and whether the cord was placed by both or one perp.

    And why was the cord still on his neck when the cops arrived an hour later? Evidence preservation? Didn't want to muss fingerprints? Wouldn't you want to wash off any bleach or mystery liquid as quickly as possible, requiring that you take off your clothes, as well as any nooses you might be wearing?

    If it's a gay sex thing, there is someone else who knows the full story. How much does TMZ pay for stuff like this? The National Enquirer? Who is his gay lover? Is that public information? Is the manager guy just a manager?

    You know what would be really cool? A real-time Serial style podcast on this incident.
  101. I’m thinking it’s “D,” most likely. Just a hunch. He doesn’t strike me as dumb/desperate enough to make up a hoax out of whole cloth.

  102. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Thanks, Unz needs a 'smirk' button

    Better even than a “smirk button” would be to have an allocation scheme for smirks to commenters, with the commenters being able to bestow their allotted smirks upon the comments of others at whim.

    Your original comment above was excellent. I would give it many smirks if I had those smirks to give.

  103. @Lot
    https://twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1090703477888581632

    I thought you only had 144 characters to work with? Let me shorten this one:

    “To be clear, … blah, blah, blah … yeah, he’s probably lying.”

    I pick (D) BTW, just guessing on who the people are, not based on any evidence I’ve seen.

    “OK, sir, you don’t care about evidence. I select you as juror number 1.”

  104. My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    • Disagree: Lowe
    • Replies: @Sane Left Libertarian
    Except, PL, hoaxes like this and the one a couple weeks ago (Jazmine Barnes) do grave damage to chances for actual liberal reforms in the US. We are never going to get UHC, military spending cuts and better public education as long as hate crime and rape hoaxers continue to motivate the alt-right to vote for people like Trump.
    , @Lowe
    Blah, blah, blah, we don't know anything. It's not possible to know anything.

    Oh, heavens! I'm so worried about the gays! Did I ever you I'm friends with some of them? I even saved a gay's life once, let me tell you.

    That's you.
    , @BigDickNick
    Good lord. Do you really believe its possible this event happened as described? Come on.
    , @anon
    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    We have lots of information about it. We know that it happened in subzero weather at 2 am, and that it involves two guys in Chicago in MAGA hats, calling Chicago "MAGA country". We also know that the alleged victim left this very pertinent bit of information out of his original police report, but told that fact to the media first.

    We know that these two MAGApedes are alleged to not only watch the show Empire, but to be such fans of the show that they immediately recognized the rather nondescript actor from the show in the 2 am darkness. We also know that they had bleach and a rope at the ready, for an attack on a random black person, and out of the approximately one million African-Americans in the city, the first black guy they encountered (wouldn't you know it!), just happened to be the black guy from that show they like so much.

    So we actually know quite a bit.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry.

    Well, unfortunately, Chicago is the sort of place where they need to worry. Just not about Trump supporters. If they get attacked, the odds say that their attacker will look a lot more like Jussie Smollett than Nick Sandmann. But then again, that's true of pretty much everywhere.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Since that happens fairly often, it's weird that you mention it only in regards to this obviously fake story.

    , @AnotherDad

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.
     

    You're right. We don't know.

    Likewise, i've never been to China (outside of HK). It could be that apples there don't fall up. I've heard about Newton and gravitation and stuff--even studied a bit of physics in school--but that's just theorizing. I don't know.


    Seriously Paleo, you're right none of us were there. And we don't actually know. But this is a case were do sort of "know"--at least in the negative sense that we know his story is utter bullshit. And the interesting thing is really the media's credulous response to a story that should arouse high skepticism in any normal intelligent American.

    , @Jack D
    This is no different from any other situation. We never have perfect information but we are still called upon all the time to make decisions in life. You can shrug your shoulders and say, I don't have to have an opinion in this situation because I'm not a juror or police official in this case, but others are free to express their opinion based upon what is known.

    I would say that we know more about this case than many other cases and more than enough to make an intelligent guess that Jussie's story is not 100% truthful. As Steve said, this could turn out to be the one black swan hate hoax that is not really a hoax, but so many elements of the story fit the pattern of hate hoaxes or are otherwise unlikely to have occurred that it's entirely fair to have an opinion and for that opinion to be that the events did not occur the way Jussie described.

    As others have pointed out, I think you are saying that you have "no opinion" because you know on some level that the story is not likely to be true and you don't want to look a fool when the football gets yanked out from under this story yet again. While this is certainly better than the credulousness we are seeing in the press, you should really be honest with us and with yourself and express what I believe to be your underlying doubts. It's possible that Chicago really is MAGA country and filled with millions of hate filled Trump supporters who are ready to lynch gays and blacks, but the truth or falsity of this one incident won't change that underlying reality either way.
    , @James Forrestal
    Concern troll is concerned.

    What else can we glean from this fascinating example of leftist "reasoning?"

    >Starts with naked assertion that the facts available so far are inadequate to make any sort of judgment on the plausibility of the alleged hoaxer's story -- then refuses to engage with the facts, or with the internal contradictions of the story itself, attempting to shift the narrative to alleged personal characteristics of the actor himself.

    >Then makes another shift to emphasize the overall importance of oppressor/ victim narratives, and of framing any sort of victim-claiming story (like this actor's) in terms of the teller's status in the "progressive stack"/ victim hierarchy. Reinforces this attempted reframe with unverifiable personal anecdote, portraying himself as "ally" of a member of an officially-designated victim class -- thereby gaining valuable victim points himself.

    >Concludes by making vague statement which typifies the typically-leftist conflation of "is" and "ought" -- of normative and positive -- emphasizing his overall viewpoint that objective reality is of minimal importance relative to verbally signaling one's unstinting support for The Narrative.

    Well OK then.

    A more general explanation of how the "virtue signaling" mechanism that Paleo illustrates here functions with respect to hoax crimes:

    Once the legacy media chooses to market a particular anecdote as an intersectionally-significant morality play in the "news," and has identified the putative "oppressor" and "victim" roles in the story, all good people immediately understand that the designated "oppressor" is driven by mindless "hate," and that the intersectionally-supreme "victim" deserves sympathy for his justified "fear." Publicly signaling one's support for the "victim" -- and for the officially-assigned victim class to which he belongs -- is the sign of a "good" person. Focusing on the specific facts of the anecdote in question is seen as identifying with the "oppressor," so anyone who does this is clearly a "hater." You're not one of those people, are you?

    Note also that in Paleo's short post, consisting of only 9 sentences, he has managed to use 10 first person singular pronouns:
    "I" = 8 "my" = 1 "me" = 1

    "My take?" "I always find it" "The only way this would interest me at all is because I know" "I hope" "I remember" "I convinced" "I didn’t want" "I hope" "I don’t like"

    Narcissism.

    Finally:;
    "We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant... We don’t know"

    Got a mouse in your pocket?
    , @Eric Novak
    Chicago has a history of attacks on queers in Boys Town, but the assailants are always genetically related to Smollet, not MAGA-hat types from Canaryville or Portage Park, who couldn't care less about what happens in the rest of the city anyway.
  105. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    One of the comments about this led me to believe he was more circumspect with his statements to the police than he was to the press (and social media, etc.). Your scenario is the one I could see resulting in negative fallout for him, but I will be shocked if it happens in this case.

    I agree with the rest of your comment.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    One of the comments about this led me to believe he was more circumspect with his statements to the police than he was to the press (and social media, etc.).
     
    He never talked to the press. Someone "close to him" did. He then called CPD and changed his story to add details (the MAGA stuff) that he didn't know he was supposed to include in his story.
  106. It could be A and D. He picked a one-nighter, including ski masks and rope, and when done they went to Subway, after which they revealed themselves to be Trumpers. Buyer’s remorse set in, and, not knowing what to do, be texted Shaun King, and here we are.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    This scenario would make an entertaining short film!!
  107. @Hypnotoad666
    Why do the NYT, etc. get away with reporting obvious hoaxes as if they are just established facts? Aren't they supposed to at least throw in an "allegedly" or two?

    To be consistent, they should report space alien abduction reports as established facts until video can prove the aliens are innocent.

    It’s disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett’s attack. They don’t give column inches to countless actual murders. Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.

    Covering Smollett’s attack at all is another example of their extreme left bias, to the point of self parody.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    The New York Times has never once mentioned Fredrick Demond Scott, the black man who stalked and killed six random white men out of racial hatred. Hate hoaxes and Barbecue Beckys are national news, though.

    http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-who-threatened-to-kill-all-white-people-charged-in-6-murders
    , @Forbes

    It’s disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett’s attack. ... Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.
     
    It's not disgraceful, it's the status quo. NYT and other major media outlets are no different than TMZ and the tabloids. They are all in the entertainment business with an audience (eyeballs) to gather--as is Smollett.

    The world is filled with voyeurs, with needs to be entertained, dramas to be explored, imaginations to run wild. The Smollett "story" fills that need.

    You want it to be a disgrace--you want it to be one way--but it's not, it's another way. It's reality. It is a shock to wake up, have your eyes opened, discovering you've committed a crime. The crime of noticing. Noticing that media is not news, it's another way--it's entertainment.
  108. A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word ‘youths’ from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Maybe he is rejecting the real answer: stop pretending any of this is normal. Close or move your business, declare your income to be zero, and tell the hostile elites that they will no longer be receiving tax revenue from you as a direct result of their inability to govern. I don't see another solution.
    Lefties don't like black people. Lefties cannot see them, and cannot believe what they are told about them. Lefties are primarily grifters using the government to make money. They believe in nothing. Attack their money and they will listen.
    , @Russ

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”
     
    Perhaps with the guns so sanctimoniously forfeited?
    , @Tusk
    Any time there is some incident the media dutifully reports it as "African-appearing males" as to make sure we don't jump to any conclusions about who may have done it. Here are some reports for anyone interested:

    Jan 5, two home invasions:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-05/teenager-attacked-with-baseball-bat-in-series-of-incidents/9306722

    July 25, girl is murdered after asking party crashers to leave:
    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/accused-melbourne-party-murderer-faces-court/news-story/88531fe80e424b671c108d142e91936c

    August 4, Total of 50 people from two gangs brawl in the suburbs: https://www.news.com.au/news/national/gang-of-teens-blamed-for-melbourne-rampage/news-story/07a35db9479638fa06fc993fa6e8d917

    September 4, 200 people brawl after a hip-hop/rap label party:
    https://www.news.com.au/news/national/victoria-police-under-fire-for-brutal-melbourne-brawl/news-story/e9641768b88fd608b8993f787b833a06

    November 11, 10 hour crime spree of assaults, muggings, robberies and car jacking:
    https://www.3aw.com.au/gang-of-youths-on-the-run-following-violent-14-hour-crime-spree-across-melbourne/

    December 27, race war between Vietnamese and Africans:
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/inter-racial-brawl-outside-st-albans-cafe-stirs-fears-of-more-violence-20181227-p50ogj.html

    December 28, glassing and robberies on the beachfront:
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/chelsea-traders-and-beachgoers-fear-growing-violence-following-foreshore-crime-spree-20181228-p50olp.html

    And perhaps my favourite article from the state-sponsored media:

    Fact check: Do Sudanese people account for only 1 per cent of crimes committed in Victoria?
    Checks out.

    ...in an interview with the ABC's News Breakfast program, practising lawyer and social justice advocate Nyadol Nyuon leapt to the defence of the Sudanese community, saying: "The overwhelming majority of crimes in Victoria are committed by Australian and New Zealand-born people ... South Sudanese do commit about 1 per cent of the offences."

    Ms Nyuon's claim checks out.

    According to data compiled by the Victorian research body the Crime Statistics Agency (CSA), the vast majority of crimes in Victoria are committed by Australian and New Zealand-born people.

    Between April 2017 and March 2018, they made up a combined 73.5 per cent of the unique offender population (those people alleged to have committed crimes) in Victoria; whereas, those born in Sudan made up 1.1 per cent.

    This fact reflects population statistics more generally: Australian-born and New Zealand-born people account for 64.8 per cent and 1.6 per cent of Victoria's population, respectively.

    In percentage terms, there is a greater disparity between population and crime rates for people born in Sudan and South Sudan, who make up just 0.14 per cent of Victoria's population.
     
    So despite being 0.14% of the population, they commit 1% of the crime. Lets imagine this number reaches 14% as in America, they would then commit 58% of the crime! Funny, that number seems quite similar to the number in America.
    , @AnotherDad
    istevefan, the worst part of it is at the end:


    The issues with youth crime were initially around the St Kilda foreshore, but an increased police presence and the installation of new CCTV cameras has seen the violence move across the coast to the suburb of Chelsea and surrounding areas.
    “Members of the public can hire private security guards to monitor a private residence,” Victoria Police said in a statement.
    “The security guards would obviously need to be appropriately licensed (in this case Armed Guard) to be armed with pistols.”
     
    The left has introduced a cancer into Australia with immigration. Then when citizens are confronted with the issues they have created, their response is essentially "Not our problem. You go pay to protect yourself. And oh ... while you're doing it you better not run afoul of our regulations."

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can't understand why this doesn't driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where's the manly red-blooded Australians ... except it's the same crap here.
    , @ben tillman
    I don't get it. Why would they hire armed guards if self-defense is illegal? The armed guards can't do anything the victims themselves can't do.
    , @Joseph Doaks
    The White Australia policy was a truly excellent idea --- if only they had kept it we would have a place to call our own.
    , @Anonymous
    How do you stop 30 blokes from having a go at you?

    it's called an AR 15.
    , @Svigor

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”
     
    With an AR-15, of course.

    OH, he means in Australia!

    Never mind.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade...
     
    I won't bother to ask of Jade's sex, but right here is evidence that immigration is not the only area in which Australia's standards have gone to pot. Or whatever the much more vivid Oz phrase would be.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”
     
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oT6ydjLn5YQ/TklO27D4KiI/AAAAAAAAAUA/csJnK51zawg/s1600/58852252.jpg
  109. @snorlax
    Given the "threatening letter" he'd "received" a few days prior, I'd say it's

    https://images.tmz.com/2019/01/29/0129-jussie-smollett-hate-letter-thatgrapejuice-3.jpg

    He made it all up: 80% (and 95% the hoax aspect was at least partially premeditated)
    Grossly exaggerating a diss or microaggression: 15%
    Real injury but hoax culprit: 4%
    Real injury from more mundane un-PC attack (e.g. gay-bashed by straight guy he hit on): 1%
    He's telling the exact or only modestly exaggerated truth: 0.01%

    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).

    It’s so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).
     
    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

    https://computer-hardware.wonderhowto.com/how-to/view-your-printers-secret-dots-fingerprints-271717/

    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.
     
    I get that feeling from the comments on Philip Giraldi's posts. Most of them sound like Arabs, or Jewish high-school pranksters.

    That they'd use words like "racist" and "apartheid", as if those things were bad, is a red flag.
    , @scrivener3
    If they used Word, there are little yellow nearly invisible characters printed on each page that identify the computer that originated it.
  110. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Except, PL, hoaxes like this and the one a couple weeks ago (Jazmine Barnes) do grave damage to chances for actual liberal reforms in the US. We are never going to get UHC, military spending cuts and better public education as long as hate crime and rape hoaxers continue to motivate the alt-right to vote for people like Trump.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Very true.

    The powerful like to find ways to divide us, based on race, religion, color, language, etc. Of course that is one of the main reasons for immigration. It is hard to get a diverse group of people to organize than a monoculture. For example, cab drivers in NYC couldn't organize because one union only had Hindu members and the other main union only had Moslem members. People from outside the Subcontinent had no union, and the unions hated each other more than they hated the bosses.

    There is a certain amount of evidence that BLM may have cost just enough votes in the Midwest to swing the election to Trump. The leaders of BLM say they knew it was a possibility, but they couldn't imagine Trump getting elected, so why not?

    The result of course is now many on the left are pissed off at BLM, which did far more damage to whatever their cause is.
    , @Forbes
    "Cuz the alt-right put Trump in office? Right! All 23 of Andrew Anglin's KKK white supremacists voted for Trump.

    I thought it was the Russians.

    Sane Left. LOL.

  111. @ic1000
    Another vote for D, repurposing an actual event.

    NBC Nightly News was fully on board the mainstream bandwagon on Tuesday evening, with only few perfunctory allegeds thrown in. But tonight, word choices and tone of voice hinted at concern about a potential Narrative Collapse. The careful viewer could also have noted that the cops have yet to capture any frames of Haven Monahan and his evil twin from nearby surveillance videos.

    > I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported.

    Speaking of which, I went back to look at NBC Nightly News coverage of 7-year-old Jazmine Barnes' murder, since the implosion of the Handsome White Criminal plot line. Jan. 8 through Jan. 30, the infotainment show devoted 0.0% of airtime to developments in the case.

    When this all collapses, the narrative will be that even though this was fake, the climate of hate is so strong that it COULD have happened exactly that way, and we all need to learn from/apologize for that.

    • Agree: Song For the Deaf
    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
    It’ll go down like the hate crime hoax a year or two ago at the Air Force academy, where they figured out the black kid did it himself and the commandant still lectured everyone about hate and diversity.
    , @Perspective
    Yes, and we will have to endure the "white conservative bad" bleating from the media who will milk this as much they can before it's exposed as a fraud.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqqwTgk8ri0
  112. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Blah, blah, blah, we don’t know anything. It’s not possible to know anything.

    Oh, heavens! I’m so worried about the gays! Did I ever you I’m friends with some of them? I even saved a gay’s life once, let me tell you.

    That’s you.

    • Troll: Paleo Liberal
    • Replies: @Svigor
    He's non-White. What's he supposed to do? Side with the good guys?
    , @Forbes
    Chicago, circa 1994: Don't wear a dress on a commuter train, if you're a man--you might get attacked.
    Chicago, circa 2024: All men must wear a dress while commuting to prevent attacks on anyone.
  113. @ic1000
    Another vote for D, repurposing an actual event.

    NBC Nightly News was fully on board the mainstream bandwagon on Tuesday evening, with only few perfunctory allegeds thrown in. But tonight, word choices and tone of voice hinted at concern about a potential Narrative Collapse. The careful viewer could also have noted that the cops have yet to capture any frames of Haven Monahan and his evil twin from nearby surveillance videos.

    > I am willing to bet that if his story deviates from or contradicts the original one, it will receive relatively zero coverage as compared to what he originally reported.

    Speaking of which, I went back to look at NBC Nightly News coverage of 7-year-old Jazmine Barnes' murder, since the implosion of the Handsome White Criminal plot line. Jan. 8 through Jan. 30, the infotainment show devoted 0.0% of airtime to developments in the case.

    ABC evening news hyped it as well. With attendant drama from Empire leads.

  114. OT:

    I may be a cynical old bastard, but I can see clearly that the Dems are pushing these abortion laws to force the issue before the court before Ruth dies. I’ll also bet that they want it to be the main issue for 2020. Just saw a fembot on TV raging about how Trump is trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Hilarious, Trump wasn't anywhere near it. We need a real government shutdown. These people are nothing but con artists and those are the good ones.
    , @Forbes
    RBG will be long dead before any cases challenging new abortion laws makes its way through the courts to the USSC.

    Just saw a fembot on TV raging about how Trump is trying to: fill in the blank.
     
    I dunno. Maybe change the channel. Isn't all kinda repetitive...
  115. @snorlax
    Given the "threatening letter" he'd "received" a few days prior, I'd say it's

    https://images.tmz.com/2019/01/29/0129-jussie-smollett-hate-letter-thatgrapejuice-3.jpg

    He made it all up: 80% (and 95% the hoax aspect was at least partially premeditated)
    Grossly exaggerating a diss or microaggression: 15%
    Real injury but hoax culprit: 4%
    Real injury from more mundane un-PC attack (e.g. gay-bashed by straight guy he hit on): 1%
    He's telling the exact or only modestly exaggerated truth: 0.01%

    The fake “Maga” letter threat from several days prior shows this was a premeditated hate hoax, not a drug/sex situation.

    He claims his “attackers” started out by saying:

    “Aren’t you that f***ot ‘Empire’ n*****?”

    But if they were stalking them, they would have had to wait for him to finish his subway sandwich outside in subzero temperatures. With bleach and a noose.

    The cut out letters have a frilly fashion magazine look too.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    He claims his “attackers” started out by saying:

    “Aren’t you that f***ot ‘Empire’ n*****?”
     
    He wants us to believe he was targeted for being an important actor. In reality, 99.9% of Americans couldn't pick him out of a lineup, and 99.9% of those who could don't give a rat's ass about him or his cable TV character.

    This is all a desperate cry for attention. Please notice me! Sadly, it worked.
    , @snorlax
    Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it I'm tempted to raise the "he made it all up" up to >99% — the only thing that gives me pause is the police looking for "persons of interest."

    Totes magotes real threat, return address "MAGA": "You will die black fag"
  116. @Arclight
    When this all collapses, the narrative will be that even though this was fake, the climate of hate is so strong that it COULD have happened exactly that way, and we all need to learn from/apologize for that.

    It’ll go down like the hate crime hoax a year or two ago at the Air Force academy, where they figured out the black kid did it himself and the commandant still lectured everyone about hate and diversity.

  117. Quick way to tell if these things are real –

    Are people of color/jews/etc shot dead, beaten almost to death, or incinerated?

    Probably a real hate crime.

    Are POC/jews/etc standing around looking at the swastika on the wall, or noose, or hate graffiti, etc.?

    Probably not a real hate crime.

    • Replies: @Corn
    Another way to tell if a hate crime is a hate hoax:

    The “crime” occurs on a college campus or in a deep blue city or state.

    Funny how all these Trump era hate crimes are committed in Massachusetts or Oberlin College or New York, but never in Slavesville MS or Lynchem, Alabama.
  118. What we need is a prediction market for hate incidents.

    Imagine when the “but this happens EVERY DAY in trump’s America” and the “but WHY would anyone make that up?” crowd realize that the “Smollett Attack Confirmed” contract was currently trading at only .31 cents, and they stood to triple their money once it was inevitably shown to have actually happened.

    Conversely the evil pattern recognizers could be shamed into putting their money where their mouthes are, no doubt bankrupting most of them within 3-4 rounded backwards swastika and “no queer profs at Oberlin!” graffitis incidents.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    What we need is a prediction market for hate incidents.

    Imagine when the “but this happens EVERY DAY in trump’s America” ... crowd realize that the “Smollett Attack Confirmed” contract was currently trading at only .31 cents,
     
    This only works for people who understand concepts like "market," "contract" and "trading." None of those are conducive to Leftoid feelz.
  119. @Art Deco
    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he's absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    I'm going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They're dotting the i's and crossing the t's until they have him dead-to-rights.

    I’m going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.

    You’re going to wager that? I wouldn’t bet that way on any terms. Can you name one example of a hoaxer getting seriously prosecuted? Colin Flaherty found cases where the police just flat out refused to accept that anything was happening, refused to so much as write a report, and told rich people to just go home — from this same department. The police are not the police.
    DEAR OLD PEOPLE. THE LAW DOESN’T WORK THE WAY IT DID WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER. There is effectively no law enforcement at all for a wide variety of activities.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It would be a misdemeanor charge if they prosecuted him. The question at hand is will the police expose him or not. My guess is that the evidence they have currently is strongly suggestive but not quite probative.
  120. @Lot
    Local Fox 32 reporter suggests a hate hoax based on a PD source:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel

    There's also a possible fake story Smollett was beat up by the boyfriend of a guy he hit on at a club. But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn't the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be "I'm already dating someone, but let me ask if he's up for a threeway."

    In the book “What Cops Know,” based on statements made by Chicago Police, a killing where the body is really gone to town with by an assailant is not atypical for gay interpersonal violence.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Gays have a lower domestic violence rate than straight couples and lesbians, perhaps because gays tend to date men who sort of look like them (similar build/height) so it's mutually assured destruction if someone starts a physical fight. But I wouldn't be surprised if the ones that did experience domestic violence had it worse.
  121. @International Jew
    E. He was attacked by vampires.

    Vampires can't be seen in a mirror, right? Ok, well, I'm not a scinetist or anything but whatever physical principle it is that makes vampires invisible to mirrors, likely makes them invisible to cameras too. Think about it: have you ever seen a vampire in any image taken by a camera?

    E. He was attacked by vampires.

    Good theory, but impossible because Chicongo.

    In Chicongo, the dead don’t suck blood or assault homo negroes, they just vote Democrat.

  122. Definitely B. This Negro made the whole thing up. The dead giveaways are the absurdly silly “threatening letter”, the lack of serious physical harm, and the “noose” he wore for forty five minutes until the police showed up. I hope the FBI does a thorough forensic evaluation of the letter and the Chicago Police brace this race baiter until he admits the truth.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  123. @AnotherDad
    Well done Moose. I can't really say LOL, as i didn't laugh. But i was smirking.

    Well done Moose. I can’t really say LOL, as i didn’t laugh. But i was smirking.

    I dunno, he kinda scared me. That was an uncanny imitation. Maybe he’s a secret squirrel NYT writer?

    I need a safe space where I can quietly reflect on all this.

  124. My initial thought was that he was gay-bashed by two blacks

  125. My liberal friends on Facebook aren’t posting this. Usually they post most anything that paints Trump and his supporters in bad light. And they’re not posting this. Even white liberals must sense a hoax afoot.

  126. @Hypnotoad666
    Why do the NYT, etc. get away with reporting obvious hoaxes as if they are just established facts? Aren't they supposed to at least throw in an "allegedly" or two?

    To be consistent, they should report space alien abduction reports as established facts until video can prove the aliens are innocent.

    There were people who called them out on it, they got deplatformed.

  127. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Good lord. Do you really believe its possible this event happened as described? Come on.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Is it possible?

    You are talking to someone with a Ph.D. in a hard science.
    "Possible" means a probability of > 0%.
    "Possible" means it doesn't violate the laws of nature.

    Is it possible?

    Yes.

    The probability is > 0%, and it doesn't violate any laws of nature.

    Here is what we know:

    The guy was injured somehow.
    There were two people seen in the area by surveillance cameras.

    In other words, whether you believe him or not, it is possible.

    As part of my Ph.D. research, in order to try to confirm the probable, I had to eliminate the improbable, but possible. Then it turned out what was improbable was what was really happening, and what was probable was NOT happening.

    I also used to do a lot of gambling. I have seen things with a probability of ALMOST zero happen. One famous example. One year the NY Football Giants were an almost lock to make the playoffs. All they had to do was win one of their last two games, OR have the favorite win in one of several other games.
    The second to the last game of the season they lost in Green Bay.
    The last game of the season they had a 3 touchdown lead, but lost.
    Every other game that could've gotten them in, the wrong team won.
    So Green Bay got in the playoffs, and won the Super Bowl.
    The probability of that happening was about 1 in several thousand, but it happened. It was possible, but not likely.

    Everyone who criticizes me for saying this is possible, I would like ANY of you to show that it is NOT possible.

    Is this an extremely far-fetched case? Yes. This is something completely weird.

    So, here is what IS possible:

    1. Exactly what was reported.
    2. The two guys seen on the surveillance tapes someone injured the actor, but NOT the way the actor described it, and the actor made up a cover story.
    3. The actor was injured some completely different way, and made up a cover story.


    For the random person, #2 and #3 are, indeed, far more likely than #1.

    What do we NOT know?

    We don't know if this guy is extremely honest, or if he is prone to being dishonest.
    And that makes a difference.
    For example, there was one time I was falsely accused of something, but my reputation for extreme honesty, combined with a total lack of evidence against me, cleared my name.
    Now, if this particular actor has a reputation for being extremely honest, I would say #1 has a high probability.
    OTOH, if he is the sort of person to completely make stuff up, then #1 most likely did not happen, but even compulsive liars sometimes tell the truth.

    I notice just about nobody sees the irony -- lots of criticism for liberals rushing to judgement based on a wild-ass report, but then nobody thinks it strange for conservatives to rush to judgement.

    I know of plenty of times when the people who didn't rush to judgement wound up looking a lot smarter than the ones who did.

    Is this likely? No.
    Is it possible? Yes.

    Do ANY of the people commenting on this really know what happened? No. But, Every. Single. One. thinks THEY have the True Answer.
  128. @Ozymandias
    OT:

    I may be a cynical old bastard, but I can see clearly that the Dems are pushing these abortion laws to force the issue before the court before Ruth dies. I'll also bet that they want it to be the main issue for 2020. Just saw a fembot on TV raging about how Trump is trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    Hilarious, Trump wasn’t anywhere near it. We need a real government shutdown. These people are nothing but con artists and those are the good ones.

  129. Smollett is lucky they didn’t decide to sodomize him with an confederate flag pole on top of a broken glass table while screaming “grab its leg”

  130. Something might have happened–a mugging, a aborted gay encounter, a tiff with some random drunks. But the MAGA storyline (etc.) did not happen. The cops have no choice but to say they are taking this malarkey “very seriously” because what other choice do they have in this era of mass liberal hysteria?

  131. @Lowe
    It's disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett's attack. They don't give column inches to countless actual murders. Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.

    Covering Smollett's attack at all is another example of their extreme left bias, to the point of self parody.

    The New York Times has never once mentioned Fredrick Demond Scott, the black man who stalked and killed six random white men out of racial hatred. Hate hoaxes and Barbecue Beckys are national news, though.

    http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-who-threatened-to-kill-all-white-people-charged-in-6-murders

    • Replies: @Flip
    Cookie Thornton doesn't get any play either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwood_City_Council_shooting
  132. Some folks are wise and some are otherwise. –Tobias Smollett

    They don’t make Smolletts like they used to.

  133. TMZ:

    JUSSIE SMOLLETT PERSONS OF INTEREST REVEALED
    In Shadowy Surveillance Image

    5:43 PM PT — Chicago PD just released this screengrab from the surveillance video but, as you can see, it’s virtually impossible to make out a single feature of the “persons of interest.”

    Cops say the two people in the image were walking on New Street near the intersection with E. Illinois Street between 1:30 AM and 1:45 AM. They’re about a block from the Subway restaurant Jussie had gone to Tuesday morning … and roughly halfway between the restaurant and Jussie’s home.

    Our law enforcement sources tell us detectives have scoured camera footage in the area and, to this point, haven’t seen any sign of the alleged attack or Jussie’s assailants.

    Cops say they want to speak to the persons of interest to determine if they witnessed or were involved in the incident. As you can see from this image … they’ve got their work cut out for them.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    The upper photo is clearer as to distinct outlines. I'd say it's a couple, with a woman on the right and a man on the left. I've many reasons, stance, posture, apparel outline, relative position, but there's a look to it that says couple, to me.
    , @El Dato
    Probably Pepe and the Feelz guy.
  134. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    Maybe he is rejecting the real answer: stop pretending any of this is normal. Close or move your business, declare your income to be zero, and tell the hostile elites that they will no longer be receiving tax revenue from you as a direct result of their inability to govern. I don’t see another solution.
    Lefties don’t like black people. Lefties cannot see them, and cannot believe what they are told about them. Lefties are primarily grifters using the government to make money. They believe in nothing. Attack their money and they will listen.

  135. @res

    They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.
     
    Do you think anyone is actually going to do anything about this? Other than memory hole it.

    Nope. You’re imagining a world where Al Sharpton doesn’t make lots of money as an important mainstream TV news pundit.

  136. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    We have lots of information about it. We know that it happened in subzero weather at 2 am, and that it involves two guys in Chicago in MAGA hats, calling Chicago “MAGA country”. We also know that the alleged victim left this very pertinent bit of information out of his original police report, but told that fact to the media first.

    We know that these two MAGApedes are alleged to not only watch the show Empire, but to be such fans of the show that they immediately recognized the rather nondescript actor from the show in the 2 am darkness. We also know that they had bleach and a rope at the ready, for an attack on a random black person, and out of the approximately one million African-Americans in the city, the first black guy they encountered (wouldn’t you know it!), just happened to be the black guy from that show they like so much.

    So we actually know quite a bit.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry.

    Well, unfortunately, Chicago is the sort of place where they need to worry. Just not about Trump supporters. If they get attacked, the odds say that their attacker will look a lot more like Jussie Smollett than Nick Sandmann. But then again, that’s true of pretty much everywhere.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Since that happens fairly often, it’s weird that you mention it only in regards to this obviously fake story.

  137. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    You’re really talented. You’re wasting your god-given gift here in the Unz comments. You need to be planning a Sokol hoax of your own, after the dust from the Lindsay-Pluckrose-Boghossian Sokol Squared hoax dies down.

  138. Seeing a lot more “messing with the wrong boyfriend” chatter.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I trolled through Youtube looking for videos of the guy last night because I wanted to know how, uh, faggy his voice and affect is, wondering whether in an encounter with two youths he might trigger them. Maybe he made a pass at the wrong person at two in the morning?

    Anyway, I found one appearance on a talk show, him and some black women talking about sex in the current age, and he related a trip to Florida where he arranged a one night stand with someone who contacted him on social media. So he does seem to sleep around with complete strangers to some extent, at least.

  139. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    Given the "threatening letter" he'd "received" a few days prior, I'd say it's

    https://images.tmz.com/2019/01/29/0129-jussie-smollett-hate-letter-thatgrapejuice-3.jpg

    He made it all up: 80% (and 95% the hoax aspect was at least partially premeditated)
    Grossly exaggerating a diss or microaggression: 15%
    Real injury but hoax culprit: 4%
    Real injury from more mundane un-PC attack (e.g. gay-bashed by straight guy he hit on): 1%
    He's telling the exact or only modestly exaggerated truth: 0.01%

    My favorite thing about that letter, apart from the fact that the poor red gentleman with the lei is apparently being menaced with a cordless power drill, is the fact that the letters are cut and pasted quite neatly, but the drawing is made to look like it was done by a four-year-old who is barely able to hold a crayon properly.

    I give bonus points for one L in “Smollett” being in the correct orientation, while the other is backwards. As though the writer isn’t sure which way was correct, so he decided to cover his bases by doing one each way. But at the same time, the “T” is done in a very distinctive style, that looks more like an old-style “F” that someone saw somewhere and decided to incorporate into their handwriting to make it seem fancier.

  140. I’ll go with choice ‘D’ out of probability, as in “I stopped by a store near MacArthur Park last night to buy a present for my wife”. Or, “I pulled off the 110 freeway at Gage to get some gas.” How about “I needed to piss so bad after a long drive I pulled into Griffith Park to use the restroom”?

    Sorry, these are LA references, but same thing to anywhere.

  141. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    Given the "threatening letter" he'd "received" a few days prior, I'd say it's

    https://images.tmz.com/2019/01/29/0129-jussie-smollett-hate-letter-thatgrapejuice-3.jpg

    He made it all up: 80% (and 95% the hoax aspect was at least partially premeditated)
    Grossly exaggerating a diss or microaggression: 15%
    Real injury but hoax culprit: 4%
    Real injury from more mundane un-PC attack (e.g. gay-bashed by straight guy he hit on): 1%
    He's telling the exact or only modestly exaggerated truth: 0.01%

    The thing about the letter:

    — Occam’s Razor would seem to make it unlikely that there would be a letter and an incident so close to one another, unless the letter got publicity and provoked the two persons involved in the incident.

    — If they are related, it means that there was a conspiracy of two people writing the letter. That seems unlikely. Crazy letters are planned and written by one person.

    — If they are related and the threat was serious, why bleach? Why not a gun?

    — Was the alleged attack premeditated? If so, how did they know where he was? Inside job? Why bleach and a thin cord?

    Reading Malkin and Soave, who are calling the police and working the phones, many of the facts seem to be in dispute: what he actually said when to which cop and what written report it turned up on. These facts include the MAGA mention, the identification of a liquid as bleach, and whether the cord was placed by both or one perp.

    And why was the cord still on his neck when the cops arrived an hour later? Evidence preservation? Didn’t want to muss fingerprints? Wouldn’t you want to wash off any bleach or mystery liquid as quickly as possible, requiring that you take off your clothes, as well as any nooses you might be wearing?

    If it’s a gay sex thing, there is someone else who knows the full story. How much does TMZ pay for stuff like this? The National Enquirer? Who is his gay lover? Is that public information? Is the manager guy just a manager?

    You know what would be really cool? A real-time Serial style podcast on this incident.

  142. @Arclight
    When this all collapses, the narrative will be that even though this was fake, the climate of hate is so strong that it COULD have happened exactly that way, and we all need to learn from/apologize for that.

    Yes, and we will have to endure the “white conservative bad” bleating from the media who will milk this as much they can before it’s exposed as a fraud.

  143. @Jack D
    CASE UPDATE: Hours ago #ChicagoPolice detectives located a surveillance camera that shows potential persons of interest wanted for questioning in reference to the assault & battery of Empire actor. A community alert w/ photos is being constructed and will be disseminated shortly.

    https://twitter.com/AJGuglielmi

    Here he is:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/1*_buA3XBlVNK29UQduI_G7A.png

    It took them almost 36 hours to find video of two random, totally unidentifiable people walking together so they release it and declare them persons of interest. I think we are getting closer to an attempt at a hate hoax framing. That has to be the next step in this madness.

  144. He came back from hook-up or drug deal a little roughed up so his boyfriend called police (he didnt call the cops himself) and then he had to make up a story that wouldnt mess up his relationship. So he made up a story that would actually strengthen his relationship with ultra woke boyfriend. Then he had to fully commit ao he went to the hospital (on his own) to take a victimhood selfie

  145. What about None of the above?

    When is a Hollywood actor or Left-wing Pol going to be smart enough to HIRE someone to “hate attack” him? Think of how more effective this “fake crime” would be if the attackers had been caught on tape saying all things they were supposed to have said?

    And it would easy for the attackers (paid by the actor) to disappear and not be caught. After all, they’re bundled up and hard to see. And if push comes to shove the “Victim” could get them off the hook, by saying he wasn’t sure. blah, blah.

    But instead of hiring ‘fake hate crime attackers’ – these Hollywood actors, University Professors, etc. just do it themselves and always end up writing swastika’s backwards or doing something obviously fake.

    BTW, I love the “letter”. I mean, that’s the best he could do? Who sends hate postcards through the mail anymore? And the postman never noticed?

  146. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    Perhaps with the guns so sanctimoniously forfeited?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    If you are skilled in waving japanese longswords around, that can be helpful too.
  147. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:

    C. Smollett exaggerated a real event

    D. Smollett repurposed a real event (e.g., an unfortunate drug or gay sexual encounter that left him disheveled) as PC excuse for why he looked messed up

    It may just have been a mugging or attempted mugging, seeking money, by a couple of “black youths,” repurposed into a politically correct narrative. Alternately, it could have been an altercation with a couple of black youths, over “disrespect” or something, or even a genuine antigay attack by blacks or whites, who may or may not have recognized him (seems unlikely, especially for whites), and the MAGA and racism/noose were added as a “pivot to the narrative.”

  148. It was a hate crime. By inventing a story in which the villains are characterized only by their self-conscious whiteness, Smollett sought to inspire fear and hatred of white people. I hope it is charged as such, but the odds of that are about as good as the odds of a white racist hanging around a Chicago fast food joint in the middle of a freezing night with bleach and a noose hoping to find a black celebrity he would recognize.

  149. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    Though irretrievably in my Ignore list, for those of you who question the Trollhood of Tiny Duck, he’s helpfully outed himself by Agreeing with GOBM’s inspired comment. Please let’s have no more debates with TD, as this should settle the issue. No reason to consult Maynard Krebs any longer.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @Forbes
    That's Maynard G. Krebs to you.
  150. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    I’m reminded of the Sopranos episode in which Tony is hospitalized with some rapper who had been shot. The shooting bolstered the rapper’s gangsta street cred and record sales. A jealous rival rapper arranged for Tony’s somewhat fat-headed brother-in-law to shoot him on the outside of the thigh. Fathead shot him square in the arse.

  151. That surveillance image is very low quality, but to me:

    — Shows two guys with no hoods on

    — One of whom is carrying a shoulder bag, although I guess it could be a daypack on one shoulder

    — One of whom is wearing eyeglasses

    — Neither of whom is dressed in black

    — At least one of whom has an open coat on that almost looks like a sports coat

    — Are walking leisurely and in conversation

    This is reading a lot into a very few pixels, and I wonder way video was not released, nor a timestamp.

  152. @Art Deco
    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he's absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    I'm going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They're dotting the i's and crossing the t's until they have him dead-to-rights.

    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he’s absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    Except that he sent himself a threatening letter last week and then refused the bodyguards that Fox offered him. So perhaps it was premeditated.

  153. @Harry Baldwin
    The New York Times has never once mentioned Fredrick Demond Scott, the black man who stalked and killed six random white men out of racial hatred. Hate hoaxes and Barbecue Beckys are national news, though.

    http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/man-who-threatened-to-kill-all-white-people-charged-in-6-murders

    Cookie Thornton doesn’t get any play either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwood_City_Council_shooting

  154. @res

    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.
     
    One of the comments about this led me to believe he was more circumspect with his statements to the police than he was to the press (and social media, etc.). Your scenario is the one I could see resulting in negative fallout for him, but I will be shocked if it happens in this case.

    I agree with the rest of your comment.

    One of the comments about this led me to believe he was more circumspect with his statements to the police than he was to the press (and social media, etc.).

    He never talked to the press. Someone “close to him” did. He then called CPD and changed his story to add details (the MAGA stuff) that he didn’t know he was supposed to include in his story.

  155. He’s gay. Gay’s get their passes kicked by other gays in perverse encounters gone wrong all the time.

    The counter to that is the ridiculous freezing temps. Typically in weather that cold, you’re so well insulated, you can’t freely move to beat the hell out of someone, and you’re also too well insulated to have to take much of a beating.

    My experience with that level of cold, when I lived on the east coast, was nobody was interested on beating or robbing anyone. Everyone was interested in getting out of that cold before contracting frostbite. The cold air that you breath into your lungs alone, takes the aggression out of you, beyond the will to survive. In other words, the weather is a challenge all it’s own.

    Your overriding goal is to get out of the searing bitter cold that is seeping through your three coats and gloves, and literally freezing your eyes, not teaching a goofy gaybot a lesson.

    New Rule: At 5 below zero, nobody cares about fags.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  156. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    Any time there is some incident the media dutifully reports it as “African-appearing males” as to make sure we don’t jump to any conclusions about who may have done it. Here are some reports for anyone interested:

    Jan 5, two home invasions:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-05/teenager-attacked-with-baseball-bat-in-series-of-incidents/9306722

    July 25, girl is murdered after asking party crashers to leave:
    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/accused-melbourne-party-murderer-faces-court/news-story/88531fe80e424b671c108d142e91936c

    August 4, Total of 50 people from two gangs brawl in the suburbs: https://www.news.com.au/news/national/gang-of-teens-blamed-for-melbourne-rampage/news-story/07a35db9479638fa06fc993fa6e8d917

    September 4, 200 people brawl after a hip-hop/rap label party:
    https://www.news.com.au/news/national/victoria-police-under-fire-for-brutal-melbourne-brawl/news-story/e9641768b88fd608b8993f787b833a06

    November 11, 10 hour crime spree of assaults, muggings, robberies and car jacking:
    https://www.3aw.com.au/gang-of-youths-on-the-run-following-violent-14-hour-crime-spree-across-melbourne/

    December 27, race war between Vietnamese and Africans:
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/inter-racial-brawl-outside-st-albans-cafe-stirs-fears-of-more-violence-20181227-p50ogj.html

    December 28, glassing and robberies on the beachfront:
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/chelsea-traders-and-beachgoers-fear-growing-violence-following-foreshore-crime-spree-20181228-p50olp.html

    And perhaps my favourite article from the state-sponsored media:

    Fact check: Do Sudanese people account for only 1 per cent of crimes committed in Victoria?
    Checks out.

    …in an interview with the ABC’s News Breakfast program, practising lawyer and social justice advocate Nyadol Nyuon leapt to the defence of the Sudanese community, saying: “The overwhelming majority of crimes in Victoria are committed by Australian and New Zealand-born people … South Sudanese do commit about 1 per cent of the offences.”

    Ms Nyuon’s claim checks out.

    According to data compiled by the Victorian research body the Crime Statistics Agency (CSA), the vast majority of crimes in Victoria are committed by Australian and New Zealand-born people.

    Between April 2017 and March 2018, they made up a combined 73.5 per cent of the unique offender population (those people alleged to have committed crimes) in Victoria; whereas, those born in Sudan made up 1.1 per cent.

    This fact reflects population statistics more generally: Australian-born and New Zealand-born people account for 64.8 per cent and 1.6 per cent of Victoria’s population, respectively.

    In percentage terms, there is a greater disparity between population and crime rates for people born in Sudan and South Sudan, who make up just 0.14 per cent of Victoria’s population.

    So despite being 0.14% of the population, they commit 1% of the crime. Lets imagine this number reaches 14% as in America, they would then commit 58% of the crime! Funny, that number seems quite similar to the number in America.

  157. Smollett’s agent, Brandon Moore told Variety Wednesday that he was talking on the phone with the actor at the time and heard the racial slurs and the “MAGA” quote.

    “I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur,” he said.

    It’s possible. I guess. But it seems like another convenient coincidence. And how clearly could the audio be heard in such a situation. And we now know that he had his mobile phone out: why wasn’t it grabbed? Why no video taken right after the incident? And the police now that they have two guys who say they heard what was said can now do the separate and interview routine.

    Congressman Bobby Rush on Wednesday wrote a letter to the FBI asking the bureau to open a hate crime investigation into the attack.

    Oh, yes, yes! Bring the feds into it. The more eyes on this the better.

    The role of the black gossip site ThatGrapeJuice.net should be looked into. They first published the report of the incident, and they had been the first site to publish the image of the death threat note. How are they getting tips? I could see this ending up being an attempt at web marketing/publicity via a niche website gone bad, something never intended to blow up like this.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    Congressman Bobby Rush on Wednesday wrote a letter to the FBI asking the bureau to open a hate crime investigation into the attack.
     
    Apparently, a 'hate crime' occurs when an attempted act of lovemaking goes wrong...

    Better get the Feds on to that!
  158. @Art Deco
    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he's absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    I'm going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They're dotting the i's and crossing the t's until they have him dead-to-rights.

    This (case D) smacks of truth.  Elements like (the claim that) Smollet held a rope around his neck for some time after the alleged “assault” sound like an after-the-fact invention to cover something else.

    There have to be tens of thousands of MAGA-hat owners in Chicago.  Some smart attorney should get them together as a class and go after Smollet for defamation and include everyone who re-tweeted his bogus claims as co-defendants.  Let’s make the libels hurt the libellers for a change.

    BTW, why don’t I see my comment-as-posted and get an edit option in Steve’s section any more?  I get it at Audacious Epigone.

  159. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    istevefan, the worst part of it is at the end:

    The issues with youth crime were initially around the St Kilda foreshore, but an increased police presence and the installation of new CCTV cameras has seen the violence move across the coast to the suburb of Chelsea and surrounding areas.
    “Members of the public can hire private security guards to monitor a private residence,” Victoria Police said in a statement.
    “The security guards would obviously need to be appropriately licensed (in this case Armed Guard) to be armed with pistols.”

    The left has introduced a cancer into Australia with immigration. Then when citizens are confronted with the issues they have created, their response is essentially “Not our problem. You go pay to protect yourself. And oh … while you’re doing it you better not run afoul of our regulations.”

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can’t understand why this doesn’t driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where’s the manly red-blooded Australians … except it’s the same crap here.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can’t understand why this doesn’t driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where’s the manly red-blooded Australians … except it’s the same crap here.
     
    I know, for the most part. Although, in Dallas, 28% white though it be, you would never find a jury that would convict someone for firing into that crowd if the police refused to act.
    , @Mr McKenna

    When i was a young man a girl still had to be cute to be cute.
     
    LOL, and QFT, and LOL
  160. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    I don’t get it. Why would they hire armed guards if self-defense is illegal? The armed guards can’t do anything the victims themselves can’t do.

  161. I voted D. This sounds like the type of misadventure that tends to arise during anonymous homosexual liaisons or impromptu drug transactions that someone has to come up with a quick lie about.

    Note: the Scottsboro boys-type narrative has been reversed by history. It used to be white women blaming anonymous black men for misbehavior. Now white MAGA-types are the omnipresent but invisible boogeymen.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    It used to be white women blaming anonymous black men for misbehavior
     
    And we all know that a black man would never make any unwanted advance toward a white women. There's absolutely no precedent for it.
  162. https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/empire-fox-tv-show-season-five-ratings/

    From December:

    From the beginning, the Empire TV show has been a big hit in the ratings for the FOX network. The numbers have been dropping for quite a while though and now, the series is looking less and less successful. Could former viewers return to watch Empire in season five? Will the show be cancelled or, will it be renewed for season six? Stay tuned.

    A hip-hop music drama series airing on FOX, Empire stars Terrence Howard, Taraji P. Henson, Bryshere Y. Gray, Jussie Smollett, Trai Byers, Gabourey Sidibe, Ta’Rhonda Jones, Serayah, Andre Royo, Rhyon Nicole Brown, and Nicole Ari Parker. The series revolves around the Empire Entertainment company, founder Lucious Lyon (Howard), his three sons (Gray, Smollett, and Byers), and their mother, Cookie (Henson). The Lyons lost the company in season four and season five finds the clan still trying to reclaim Empire two years later.

    The ratings are typically the best indication of a show’s likelihood of staying on the air. The higher the ratings (particularly in the 18-49 demo), the better the chances for survival. This chart will be updated as new ratings data becomes available — typically around 11:30am EST/8:30am PST. Refresh to see the latest.

    For the 8:00 p.m. time slot Empire on Fox is in last place after Survivor, Ellen’s Game of Games, The Goldbergs, and Riverdale, although it was a rerun and the others were new episodes.

    https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/wednesday-tv-ratings-ellens-game-of-games-riverdale-star-seal-team-modern-family/

    • Replies: @anon
    For the 8:00 p.m. time slot Empire on Fox is in last place after Survivor, Ellen’s Game of Games, The Goldbergs, and Riverdale, although it was a rerun and the others were new episodes.

    I imagine, if you were a young black guy, in a black-produced show about the hip-hop industry, it would have to sting to know that your show got beaten by a show about Archie and the gang.

    Actually, I imagine that would sting if you were anyone at all, but after years of talk from your fellow blacks about how "we takin' over", getting beaten by a bunch of white cartoon characters from the 1940s, who were last relevant decades ago (and even then, just barely), would make you pretty desperate to get attention.

    Would it make you desperate enough for attention to stage a hate crime? I don't know. But probably, if you were dumb enough.
  163. @AnotherDad
    istevefan, the worst part of it is at the end:


    The issues with youth crime were initially around the St Kilda foreshore, but an increased police presence and the installation of new CCTV cameras has seen the violence move across the coast to the suburb of Chelsea and surrounding areas.
    “Members of the public can hire private security guards to monitor a private residence,” Victoria Police said in a statement.
    “The security guards would obviously need to be appropriately licensed (in this case Armed Guard) to be armed with pistols.”
     
    The left has introduced a cancer into Australia with immigration. Then when citizens are confronted with the issues they have created, their response is essentially "Not our problem. You go pay to protect yourself. And oh ... while you're doing it you better not run afoul of our regulations."

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can't understand why this doesn't driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where's the manly red-blooded Australians ... except it's the same crap here.

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can’t understand why this doesn’t driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where’s the manly red-blooded Australians … except it’s the same crap here.

    I know, for the most part. Although, in Dallas, 28% white though it be, you would never find a jury that would convict someone for firing into that crowd if the police refused to act.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    I respectfully disagree.

    A white man firing into a hostile crowd of Sudanese and harming any one of them, no matter how trivial the injury, could well land the shooter in jail for a very, very long time and in the news spotlight as another example for why we need gun control.

    We have to face the fact that the country we once lived in is gone.

    I despise what has become of a once decent nation and its people.
  164. @Jack D
    CASE UPDATE: Hours ago #ChicagoPolice detectives located a surveillance camera that shows potential persons of interest wanted for questioning in reference to the assault & battery of Empire actor. A community alert w/ photos is being constructed and will be disseminated shortly.

    https://twitter.com/AJGuglielmi

    Here he is:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/1*_buA3XBlVNK29UQduI_G7A.png

    They better bring the National Guard into the task force.

  165. @Lot
    Local Fox 32 reporter suggests a hate hoax based on a PD source:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel

    There's also a possible fake story Smollett was beat up by the boyfriend of a guy he hit on at a club. But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn't the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be "I'm already dating someone, but let me ask if he's up for a threeway."

    Rahm on #JussieSmollett “Obviously the alleged statement of what happened here is horrific and there’s no place for it here in the city of Chicago. I know the police department is working aggressively to [get] to the bottom of what happened.”

    So D then?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Rahm seems to have done a better job of maintaining some dignity than other Democratic dignitaries.
    , @El Dato

    I know the police department is working aggressively to [get] to the bottom of what happened.
     
    These double-entendres are somewhat tasteless.
  166. @Arclight
    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).

    It's so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.

    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).

    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

    https://computer-hardware.wonderhowto.com/how-to/view-your-printers-secret-dots-fingerprints-271717/

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.
     
    Yes, but they have to have your printer. In they know--or suspect--it's you--and there's some sort of big crime or big story to motivate them then they could get a warrant and they could tie your printer to letter fairly conclusively. But if you just want to send something anonymously, it does pretty much get the job done.
    , @Anon
    It's pretty easy to print something anonymously at the local public library. I suppose the cops could investigate everyone with a library card who accessed that printer over some time period. This assumes you forego network print job hacking which your typical library may not have gotten around to fixing yet
    , @Jack D
    It's mainly color laser printers (not a particularly common type of printer) that leave (semi) hidden yellow dots. The main reason for this is to prevent counterfeiting because color laser printers are good enough to produce convincing documents. Most color scanners will also recognize US currency and refuse to copy it.

    AFAIK, most B&W laser printers don't print hidden codes, but there are other forensic methods of tracing documents back to a particular printer.
  167. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    You’re right. We don’t know.

    Likewise, i’ve never been to China (outside of HK). It could be that apples there don’t fall up. I’ve heard about Newton and gravitation and stuff–even studied a bit of physics in school–but that’s just theorizing. I don’t know.

    Seriously Paleo, you’re right none of us were there. And we don’t actually know. But this is a case were do sort of “know”–at least in the negative sense that we know his story is utter bullshit. And the interesting thing is really the media’s credulous response to a story that should arouse high skepticism in any normal intelligent American.

    • Replies: @anon
    Well, the thing about it is, Paleo Liberal knows it's fake too. You can tell by the line "The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago".

    Obviously, if he/she thought this attack was really white people trying to lynch a black person, he/she would be deeply concerned about all the racist violence in the country. The whole "I just don't find this story very interezting." thing is just something they say when they know the story is fake, and want to have the story go away quickly, so there isn't much discussion of the issue of blacks faking hate crimes.

    You saw that type of line a lot in the comments section of the Washington Post and places like that, as the Covington case started to unravel. Back when people thought it was real racism, it was a huge deal, but when it turned out to be an old Indian lyinh about white kids, suddenly it became a story that they wanted us to know they didn't care about.
  168. I’ll save you the clickbait: According to MoneyWise, Steve’s alma mater has the eighth-worst stadium in major college football. Vanderbilt has the worst, and many of the others have “at” in their names.

    These Are The Worst College Football Stadiums
    8. Rice University: Rice Stadium

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    They didn't actually identify any shortcomings except that the upper deck (which no one uses) is poorly maintained. It looks like a great place to watch a game.
    , @AnotherDad
    You'd think by now white people would realize they have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon then watch a bunch of black guys--95% of whom have no business on campus--running around smacking into each other (usually on rubber pellets covered green plastic psuedo-grass).

    For the students--study? Generally for everyone--socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque? hike? read a book? go hunting or practice target shooting to keep your skills sharp for the coming "troubles" ... or read iSteve and write pointless comments like yours truly.

    Of course best of all, if white men and women take a moment to stop watching blacks or Hollyweird crap and pay attention to each other for a bit, they might--God be praised--figure out that there's something else they could be doing that's way more fun.
  169. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

    “Two unknown offenders approached him and gained his attention by yelling out racial and homophobic slurs towards him,” according to police.

    They then “began to batter [him] with their hands about the face and poured an unknown chemical substance on the victim” while “one of the offenders wrapped a rope around” his neck before fleeing the scene, cops said.

    The way the story is written a reader could get the impression that the police are narrating what they saw on the video.

    • Replies: @e
    Sure. I mean, in that kind of cold, it makes perfect sense that people wouldn't wear heavy caps or jacket hoods on their heads as they walked the city streets. And it's night, dark. Yet these two strangers recognize this actor. Go on.
  170. @Arclight
    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).

    It's so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.

    It’s so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.

    I get that feeling from the comments on Philip Giraldi’s posts. Most of them sound like Arabs, or Jewish high-school pranksters.

    That they’d use words like “racist” and “apartheid”, as if those things were bad, is a red flag.

  171. @Lot
    The fake "Maga" letter threat from several days prior shows this was a premeditated hate hoax, not a drug/sex situation.

    He claims his "attackers" started out by saying:

    "Aren't you that f***ot 'Empire' n*****?"

    But if they were stalking them, they would have had to wait for him to finish his subway sandwich outside in subzero temperatures. With bleach and a noose.

    The cut out letters have a frilly fashion magazine look too.

    He claims his “attackers” started out by saying:

    “Aren’t you that f***ot ‘Empire’ n*****?”

    He wants us to believe he was targeted for being an important actor. In reality, 99.9% of Americans couldn’t pick him out of a lineup, and 99.9% of those who could don’t give a rat’s ass about him or his cable TV character.

    This is all a desperate cry for attention. Please notice me! Sadly, it worked.

    • Replies: @Moses

    This is all a desperate cry for attention. Please notice me! Sadly, it worked.
     
    Occam's Razor agrees.
    , @Lurker
    We can tell Empire was a niche product, it featured gay black men. An absolute no-no in mainstream entertainment.
  172. @Lot
    https://twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1090703477888581632

    Do you think they found it odd that 45 minutes after he got home, he “still” had the clothesline around his neck? Or that the “bleach” didn’t affect his clothing? Or that he called his manager instead of the police? What do you think, Lot?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Supposedly he was on the phone with his manager when the alleged attack happened:
    https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/30/jussie-smollett-attack-surveillance-video-persons-of-interest/

    We've confirmed Jussie's manager Brandon Z. Moore told police he was on the phone with Jussie during the alleged attack. Brandon says he told cops he clearly heard the MAGA comment as well as the racial and homophobic slurs.
     
    , @Lot
    I think the Chicago cops knew it was BS instantly and gave him all the rope he needed, pun intended.

    Even the "grapejuice" black celeb gossip blog comments knew this was a hoax.
  173. A weird one from a couple days before the incident, referring to the letter??

    His Trump derangement dates well back before the election, this in response to someone commenting on the MAGA slogan:

  174. @ben tillman

    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).
     
    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

    https://computer-hardware.wonderhowto.com/how-to/view-your-printers-secret-dots-fingerprints-271717/

    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.

    Yes, but they have to have your printer. In they know–or suspect–it’s you–and there’s some sort of big crime or big story to motivate them then they could get a warrant and they could tie your printer to letter fairly conclusively. But if you just want to send something anonymously, it does pretty much get the job done.

    • Replies: @Paul Rise
    I remember hearing once that assembling a note using cut out words from newspapers was now a really bad idea, given both the potential to leave behind DNA and investigators ability to profile and isolate suspects geographically and demographically by rapid computer analysis of the sources of the individual letters.

    Whoever wrote the "We have this anthrax" may have used a pre literate child to copy the text of the note.
  175. The one this reminds me of is the case of the east coast Muslim teenaged girl who was attacked by guys in Trump hats on the subway. They yelled pro-Trump and anti-Muslim things. I think they cut her hair or something? The MSM reported it all as fact. Then it came out that she made the story up for her Muslim father, and HE cut all her hair off. As punishment. For dating a Christian boy. At that point, the story vanished from the MSM, forever.

  176. @Arclight
    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).

    It's so obviously a lefty trying to produce what they think a right wing cretin would do, I cannot believe anyone buys this.

    If they used Word, there are little yellow nearly invisible characters printed on each page that identify the computer that originated it.

  177. Probably D. Gays have “events” all the time. I used to live in a largely gay neighborhood (Seattle’s Capitol Hill), and there was never a shortage of nightly drama on the streets.

    • Replies: @nsa
    The gay crowd has been largely displaced on Capitol Hill by techies, mostly from nearby Amazon, who can afford the rapidly rising rents. Locally, the techies are referred to as "amholes".
  178. Does anyone remember the hoax re: the alleged noose that attacked the African American museum in DC?

    That one got memory-holed, and quick!

    100:1 odds the CCTV footage shoed a Black employee placing the noose. If the perp were White we’d never stop hearing about it.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    Thanks for the reminder. And that reminds me of the incident in D.C. when the confused young black woman made a wrong turn into a barricaded street (very easy to do in D.C. if you're unfamiliar with the traffic patterns), then drove quickly away when police accosted her. Multiple police then chased her car, stopped her, then shot her dead while she sat in the car with her young child. Nobody paid any price for that obvious police misconduct, we don't even know if the cop who shot her was black or white. Obama was president then...
  179. I’d put money on D.

  180. @Hypnotoad666

    He claims his “attackers” started out by saying:

    “Aren’t you that f***ot ‘Empire’ n*****?”
     
    He wants us to believe he was targeted for being an important actor. In reality, 99.9% of Americans couldn't pick him out of a lineup, and 99.9% of those who could don't give a rat's ass about him or his cable TV character.

    This is all a desperate cry for attention. Please notice me! Sadly, it worked.

    This is all a desperate cry for attention. Please notice me! Sadly, it worked.

    Occam’s Razor agrees.

  181. @Reg Cæsar
    I'll save you the clickbait: According to MoneyWise, Steve's alma mater has the eighth-worst stadium in major college football. Vanderbilt has the worst, and many of the others have "at" in their names.

    These Are The Worst College Football Stadiums
    8. Rice University: Rice Stadium

    They didn’t actually identify any shortcomings except that the upper deck (which no one uses) is poorly maintained. It looks like a great place to watch a game.

  182. @Thomas
    I voted D. This sounds like the type of misadventure that tends to arise during anonymous homosexual liaisons or impromptu drug transactions that someone has to come up with a quick lie about.

    Note: the Scottsboro boys-type narrative has been reversed by history. It used to be white women blaming anonymous black men for misbehavior. Now white MAGA-types are the omnipresent but invisible boogeymen.

    It used to be white women blaming anonymous black men for misbehavior

    And we all know that a black man would never make any unwanted advance toward a white women. There’s absolutely no precedent for it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    And we all know that a black man would never make any unwanted advance toward a white women. There’s absolutely no precedent for it.
     
    Don't the data from online dating sites indicate that White women are not generally attracted to Black males.
  183. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.
     

    You're right. We don't know.

    Likewise, i've never been to China (outside of HK). It could be that apples there don't fall up. I've heard about Newton and gravitation and stuff--even studied a bit of physics in school--but that's just theorizing. I don't know.


    Seriously Paleo, you're right none of us were there. And we don't actually know. But this is a case were do sort of "know"--at least in the negative sense that we know his story is utter bullshit. And the interesting thing is really the media's credulous response to a story that should arouse high skepticism in any normal intelligent American.

    Well, the thing about it is, Paleo Liberal knows it’s fake too. You can tell by the line “The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago”.

    Obviously, if he/she thought this attack was really white people trying to lynch a black person, he/she would be deeply concerned about all the racist violence in the country. The whole “I just don’t find this story very interezting.” thing is just something they say when they know the story is fake, and want to have the story go away quickly, so there isn’t much discussion of the issue of blacks faking hate crimes.

    You saw that type of line a lot in the comments section of the Washington Post and places like that, as the Covington case started to unravel. Back when people thought it was real racism, it was a huge deal, but when it turned out to be an old Indian lyinh about white kids, suddenly it became a story that they wanted us to know they didn’t care about.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff. For example the stalker who broke into George Harrison’s home, disabled a top/of-the-line security system and almost killed George and Olivia Harrison.

    That is why I say I can’t tell if this really happened. That and security cameras did see two people but not the attack.

    As for worrying more about the gay vs. black angle: I have queer friends in Chicago. I know some black guys who live in the suburbs. So I am less worried about folks in the suburbs being attacked.
  184. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    The White Australia policy was a truly excellent idea — if only they had kept it we would have a place to call our own.

  185. @Hypnotoad666

    He claims his “attackers” started out by saying:

    “Aren’t you that f***ot ‘Empire’ n*****?”
     
    He wants us to believe he was targeted for being an important actor. In reality, 99.9% of Americans couldn't pick him out of a lineup, and 99.9% of those who could don't give a rat's ass about him or his cable TV character.

    This is all a desperate cry for attention. Please notice me! Sadly, it worked.

    We can tell Empire was a niche product, it featured gay black men. An absolute no-no in mainstream entertainment.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Hell, that's a no-no for most black entertainment.
  186. @ben tillman
    Do you think they found it odd that 45 minutes after he got home, he "still" had the clothesline around his neck? Or that the "bleach" didn't affect his clothing? Or that he called his manager instead of the police? What do you think, Lot?

    Supposedly he was on the phone with his manager when the alleged attack happened:
    https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/30/jussie-smollett-attack-surveillance-video-persons-of-interest/

    We’ve confirmed Jussie’s manager Brandon Z. Moore told police he was on the phone with Jussie during the alleged attack. Brandon says he told cops he clearly heard the MAGA comment as well as the racial and homophobic slurs.

    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
    Wow, that is one dedicated manager, willing to risk getting charged as an accomplice to a false police report for his client.
    , @Anon
    So why didn’t one or both call the police immediately when the attack began?

    And the manager is awake and on the phone st 2 AM.
  187. JOE BIDEN ON MILLENNIALS: TOO OLD, DO NOT WANT
    ——
    “Give me a break,” he said of young people who “think they have it tough.”

    In an apparent effort to make himself an even less appealing 2020 contender, former Vice President Joe Biden had some harsh words for millennials while promoting his new book on Wednesday. Here’s what he said in a conversation with Patt Morrison of the LA Times:

    “The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be. So my message is, get involved. There’s no place to hide. You can go and you can make all the money in the world, but you can’t build a wall high enough to keep the pollution out. You can’t live where—you can’t not be diminished when your sister can’t marry the man or woman, or the woman she loves. You can’t—when you have a good friend being profiled, you can’t escape this stuff. And so, there’s an old expression my philosophy professor would always use from Plato, ‘The penalty people face for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves.’ It’s wide open. Go out and change it.”

    Meanwhile:

    A January 2017 analysis of Federal Reserve data found that millennials, who are better educated than baby boomers, have a median household income of $40,581, meaning they earn 20 percent less than boomers did when they were our age. We’re crippled with student debt to the point where home ownership is a pipe dream. So here’s the deal, Joe—I’ll give you a break if you give me some money.

    https://archive.fo/QX1FA
    —–
    We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.

    The movements are actually major reasons why the American standard of living was artificially depressed and may never recover, especially counting divorce normalization as part of the women’s movement and considering the expenses that accrue with making major cities unliveable. So Biden as always is pretending to be dumb but actually glorying in his evil.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    No, he’s just inarticulate.

    Better educated in what subjects? More degrees, sure. But I buy the rest.
    , @Svigor

    “The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.
     
    Boomers pushed on an open door then patted themselves on the back for the next fifty years.
    , @Perplexed
    It was Biden who got student loans exempted from discharge in bankruptcy. This should be brought up in every story about Biden.
  188. @Lurker
    We can tell Empire was a niche product, it featured gay black men. An absolute no-no in mainstream entertainment.

    Hell, that’s a no-no for most black entertainment.

  189. In a world where people like these had real brains and guile, I might choose ‘F’ – a false-flag operation. S’pose you’ve got a handful of violently-committed loony lefties, one or more of whom is loosely (couple of degrees of separation) familiar with the high-profile, intersectionally-incompetent victim. How hard would it be to locate an opportunity to jump the target, rough him up a bit – nothing too serious – and leave all the hallmarks of Yet Another Ghastly White Hate Crime? I guess someone forgot to smear the guy with feces in the form of a swastika.

  190. @Lot
    Local Fox 32 reporter suggests a hate hoax based on a PD source:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel

    There's also a possible fake story Smollett was beat up by the boyfriend of a guy he hit on at a club. But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn't the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be "I'm already dating someone, but let me ask if he's up for a threeway."

    I don’t think so, a drug deal gone wrong seems more likely. A request for a threesome would indeed be more likely, unless Jussie (with a name like that he had to turn out gay) was so drunk that he was just groping the guy and his boyfriend was having a roid rage moment.

  191. It happened

    People of Color experience this crap everyday and white men are racist

    You should believe rhem

    Like the mags smirk
    Boy

    Read Leonard Pitts

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    I used to like Leonard Pitts, years ago. He was one of the guys I read to remind myself that all liberals weren’t insane.

    I’m kind of afraid to read him now. It would just break my heart to see him driven crazy with honky hate.
  192. They “began to batter” him, but the video didn’t “depict an assault”. So, this was a battery with no assault? Only in Chicago in the middle of a January night. If it were July, I’d say vibrants. But January in near-record cold?

  193. I believe it actually happened, but it was not two white guys, but two black guys and he was afraid to snitch but afraid not to tell police something happened to him.
    White people do weird stuff. White people do not go around threatening ” this is MAGA country” and no one answers the door to the police with a rope around their neck.

  194. This article claims that uncucked Swedish Youtuber PewDeePie outstrips the MSM in viewership for news. I don’t know if PewDeePie has followed this sordid business but I would hope he sees how ridiculous it is.
    https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2019/01/29/youtubes-pewdiepie-watched-news-mainstream-news-outlets-millions-views/

  195. @ben tillman
    Do you think they found it odd that 45 minutes after he got home, he "still" had the clothesline around his neck? Or that the "bleach" didn't affect his clothing? Or that he called his manager instead of the police? What do you think, Lot?

    I think the Chicago cops knew it was BS instantly and gave him all the rope he needed, pun intended.

    Even the “grapejuice” black celeb gossip blog comments knew this was a hoax.

  196. @AnotherDad

    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.
     
    Yes, but they have to have your printer. In they know--or suspect--it's you--and there's some sort of big crime or big story to motivate them then they could get a warrant and they could tie your printer to letter fairly conclusively. But if you just want to send something anonymously, it does pretty much get the job done.

    I remember hearing once that assembling a note using cut out words from newspapers was now a really bad idea, given both the potential to leave behind DNA and investigators ability to profile and isolate suspects geographically and demographically by rapid computer analysis of the sources of the individual letters.

    Whoever wrote the “We have this anthrax” may have used a pre literate child to copy the text of the note.

  197. @Reg Cæsar
    I'll save you the clickbait: According to MoneyWise, Steve's alma mater has the eighth-worst stadium in major college football. Vanderbilt has the worst, and many of the others have "at" in their names.

    These Are The Worst College Football Stadiums
    8. Rice University: Rice Stadium

    You’d think by now white people would realize they have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon then watch a bunch of black guys–95% of whom have no business on campus–running around smacking into each other (usually on rubber pellets covered green plastic psuedo-grass).

    For the students–study? Generally for everyone–socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque? hike? read a book? go hunting or practice target shooting to keep your skills sharp for the coming “troubles” … or read iSteve and write pointless comments like yours truly.

    Of course best of all, if white men and women take a moment to stop watching blacks or Hollyweird crap and pay attention to each other for a bit, they might–God be praised–figure out that there’s something else they could be doing that’s way more fun.

    • Agree: RVBlake
    • Replies: @Lot
    I lost interest in pro sports around age 25. I was really excited when the local NFL team moved away because we wouldn't gift their billionaire owner a billion dollar stadium.

    HD big screen TVs and those drone overhead cameras does make it tempting when I visit fans. But once you're out of the habit and don't know who any of the players are, it isn't hard to stay on the wagon.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Generally for everyone–socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque?
     
    It's all about the tailgating, anyway. So we're halfway there.
    , @M. Hartley
    Best of luck prying people away from audio-visual entertainment. It's seductive and sophisticated, for good reason. And it's been doing far more damage to our society than opioids.
  198. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).
     
    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

    https://computer-hardware.wonderhowto.com/how-to/view-your-printers-secret-dots-fingerprints-271717/

    It’s pretty easy to print something anonymously at the local public library. I suppose the cops could investigate everyone with a library card who accessed that printer over some time period. This assumes you forego network print job hacking which your typical library may not have gotten around to fixing yet

  199. Guy has a weird name and is woefully indistinct as a Yuppie Black TV Actor; I’ve never heard of him and I’m pretty sure I’ve watched the show. So I vote E, this scheme was forced on him by his publicist

  200. @Lurker

    It used to be white women blaming anonymous black men for misbehavior
     
    And we all know that a black man would never make any unwanted advance toward a white women. There's absolutely no precedent for it.

    And we all know that a black man would never make any unwanted advance toward a white women. There’s absolutely no precedent for it.

    Don’t the data from online dating sites indicate that White women are not generally attracted to Black males.

  201. HAIL TO THE IMMORTAL NATION
    Salvini kicking “refugees” out of shelters
    http://archive.is/bvWR8
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/23/italy-evicts-more-than-500-people-refugee-centre-near-rome

    More than 500 people are being ousted from a refugee reception centre in a town close to Rome in the first major eviction since Italy’s rightwing populist government enacted hardline immigration measures into law.

    [MORE]

    Thirty people were evicted from the centre, the second-largest of its kind in Italy and the place where Pope Francis washed residents’ feet as part of his Easter ritual in 2016, in Castelnuovo di Porto on Tuesday. A further 75 were removed on Wednesday, with the remaining 430 to be evicted before the centre’s closure on 31 January.

    The evictions follow the approval of the “Salvini decree”, named after Matteo Salvini, the interior minister and leader of the far-right League, in late November.

    Salvini claimed the centre, which has hosted about 8,000 people over the last eight years, was a den for “drug-dealing and crime” and that the same fate would soon befall the 2,000 people living in the sprawling Cara di Mineo reception centre in in Sicily and at similar structures across Italy.

    He said the closures would save the Italian government €6m (£5.2m) a year, money that would instead be spent “helping Italians”. “I did what any good father would have done,” he said.

    Riccardo Travaglini, the mayor of Castelnuovo di Porto, told reporters that no notice was given before the evictions. Men, women and children, many enrolled in local schools, were reportedly separated before the majority were taken by bus to undisclosed destinations. Some were housed by local residents, including Travaglini, who took in a woman from Somalia and her child.

    “In a single day, they managed to destroy years of (((work))),” Traviglini said. “These were people who had managed to become integrated.”

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    Ne me frego!
    , @Anon
    Guess they didn't get the memo (bull?) from Cardinal Toobin.
  202. The funniest bunch of comments I’ve read for ages. I wet myself laughing. Mind you, I am 95.

  203. Steve, the Starz channel has a docu-reality show called “America to Me” set in Oak Park HS.

    It looks awful to me, but if your father went there might be worth watching. I’d watch even a bad show filmed at my HS!

    • Replies: @riches
    I'm pretty sure it was Steve's father-in-law, not father. And the Austin neighborhood of Chicago, not next door Oak Park.
  204. Guglielmi said detectives who are investigating the allegations as a possible hate crime have looked at hundreds of hours of surveillance video from businesses and hotels in the heavily monitored area. But he said they still need to collect and view more. He said they are expanding the search to include footage from public buses and buildings beyond the scene’s immediate vicinity in the hopes of spotting the men who match Smollett’s description of the suspects.

    Surely they can do better than this. They could ask the National Reconnaissance Office for Keyhole satellite images.

  205. @AnotherDad
    You'd think by now white people would realize they have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon then watch a bunch of black guys--95% of whom have no business on campus--running around smacking into each other (usually on rubber pellets covered green plastic psuedo-grass).

    For the students--study? Generally for everyone--socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque? hike? read a book? go hunting or practice target shooting to keep your skills sharp for the coming "troubles" ... or read iSteve and write pointless comments like yours truly.

    Of course best of all, if white men and women take a moment to stop watching blacks or Hollyweird crap and pay attention to each other for a bit, they might--God be praised--figure out that there's something else they could be doing that's way more fun.

    I lost interest in pro sports around age 25. I was really excited when the local NFL team moved away because we wouldn’t gift their billionaire owner a billion dollar stadium.

    HD big screen TVs and those drone overhead cameras does make it tempting when I visit fans. But once you’re out of the habit and don’t know who any of the players are, it isn’t hard to stay on the wagon.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I watch the NFL playoffs, but that's it. I can't see the puck in hockey, I never understood the attraction of basketball, and baseball is boring.

    Now golf!
  206. Everyday gay drama. With chocolate coating.

  207. @Lot
    The fake "Maga" letter threat from several days prior shows this was a premeditated hate hoax, not a drug/sex situation.

    He claims his "attackers" started out by saying:

    "Aren't you that f***ot 'Empire' n*****?"

    But if they were stalking them, they would have had to wait for him to finish his subway sandwich outside in subzero temperatures. With bleach and a noose.

    The cut out letters have a frilly fashion magazine look too.

    Yeah, now that I’m thinking about it I’m tempted to raise the “he made it all up” up to >99% — the only thing that gives me pause is the police looking for “persons of interest.”

    Totes magotes real threat, return address “MAGA”: “You will die black fag”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If they actually arrest somebody I hope he costs them their jobs, but the way things have been going I'd be tempted to raise railroading to 99% after Slager, Fields, various people defending themselves, and that one hapa cop in the midwest who got screwed by the comically corrupt local DA. This is the future of American justice.
    , @Roderick Spode
    Black Fag is also the name of a rather excellent Black Flag cover band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AfQwDScC8
  208. From the update:

    “While the video footage does not depict an assault…”

    I don’t know-but sounds like case closed-no assault, no evidence, and no nada.

  209. @AnotherDad
    You'd think by now white people would realize they have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon then watch a bunch of black guys--95% of whom have no business on campus--running around smacking into each other (usually on rubber pellets covered green plastic psuedo-grass).

    For the students--study? Generally for everyone--socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque? hike? read a book? go hunting or practice target shooting to keep your skills sharp for the coming "troubles" ... or read iSteve and write pointless comments like yours truly.

    Of course best of all, if white men and women take a moment to stop watching blacks or Hollyweird crap and pay attention to each other for a bit, they might--God be praised--figure out that there's something else they could be doing that's way more fun.

    Generally for everyone–socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque?

    It’s all about the tailgating, anyway. So we’re halfway there.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Go to any pro stadium for football or baseball, it's all about socializing, party time, drinking, eating, and maybe that involves football tailgating. The event and venue is an excuse for overpriced beer, drinks, and food.

    College sports are milder--substitute student antics. But then some schools like PennState and Nebraska (obviously, others too) have parking lots full of RVs at their away games. So, it's the same thing, an excuse to party.
  210. @Art Deco
    My guess would be D. This has the vibe of an on-the-fly explanation rather than a pre-meditated fabrication. (Though maybe he's absent-minded enough not to have given any thought to commercial security cameras).

    I'm going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They're dotting the i's and crossing the t's until they have him dead-to-rights.

    Thread:

    • Replies: @Mr. Blank
    Wow, those images really narrow it down. From them, we can tell the perps are:

    1. Male, probably.

    And...well...that’s about it.

    But we’ve eliminated about 50 percent of Chicago’s population, so there’s that.
    , @Anon
    It's also being reported by CWBChicago that these two gentlemen were walking away from where the alleged attack occurred, 15 to 20 minutes before the incident took place according to police timeline.

    So there is a good likelihood that these are just two saps walking down a street.
  211. @Bill P
    Probably D. Gays have "events" all the time. I used to live in a largely gay neighborhood (Seattle's Capitol Hill), and there was never a shortage of nightly drama on the streets.

    The gay crowd has been largely displaced on Capitol Hill by techies, mostly from nearby Amazon, who can afford the rapidly rising rents. Locally, the techies are referred to as “amholes”.

  212. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    reflects a heteronormative

    Cis-boom-bah!

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Johnny Carson - SIS BOOM BAH - Carnac Complete Segment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76wzA2A2T1Q
  213. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    If I’m not mistaken, the Atlantic, the New Yorker, and New York Magazine have yet to run a single piece on the Smollet lynching. And Slate has only one early, short, perfunctory post quoting other media accounts that in turn quote police statements.

    Maybe the lesson of the MAGA teens took hold? And maybe even crazed left wingers could smell the fishiness of this one?

    The Atlantic and Slate are truly remarkable since neither seems to have much central editorial control. They often have multiple, overlapping takes from different writers on a topic. So zero articles on something like this is a hint that someone said to hold off for a bit and only publish with permission from a higher up. And also there is a hint of Journ-o-List 2.0 in the uniformity of silence, even in the face of all the VIP Twitter statements.

  214. @AnotherDad
    You'd think by now white people would realize they have better things to do on a Saturday afternoon then watch a bunch of black guys--95% of whom have no business on campus--running around smacking into each other (usually on rubber pellets covered green plastic psuedo-grass).

    For the students--study? Generally for everyone--socialize with friends? have a beer? play with the kids? barbeque? hike? read a book? go hunting or practice target shooting to keep your skills sharp for the coming "troubles" ... or read iSteve and write pointless comments like yours truly.

    Of course best of all, if white men and women take a moment to stop watching blacks or Hollyweird crap and pay attention to each other for a bit, they might--God be praised--figure out that there's something else they could be doing that's way more fun.

    Best of luck prying people away from audio-visual entertainment. It’s seductive and sophisticated, for good reason. And it’s been doing far more damage to our society than opioids.

    • Agree: Svigor
  215. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    How do you stop 30 blokes from having a go at you?

    it’s called an AR 15.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    "Lincoln freed the slaves, but Col. Colt made all men equal".
    Before the repeating revolver, the dominant weapon for close combat in civil society in the US was the knife, specifically fairly long and massive knives. Dominant combatants were people like Col. Bowie [1]: offensive spirit, aggressive, characterized by tenacity. People who could use a knife and keep on fighting in close combat after being wounded. After the repeating revolver, dominant combatants were those who had good situational awareness, could react quickly, avoid close combat, and aim under stress. Strength and endurance mattered, but more in getting to the fight than during the fight.

    By analogy, when prohibiting firearms is proposed the consequences will not be a cecession of combat, but rather a change in its form. The dominant form of combat today appears to be the ambush. One side is armed with knives, improvised weapons (the sharpened screwdriver, for example), the occasional pistol, and if at all possible, armed with number of assailants. Violence is not, like the Sandbar Duel, a social matter, but rather more like hunting.

    It's my opinion that concealed carry is a reasonable precaution today. Under the above conditions (ambush, return of bladed weapons), body armor (level III anti-stab [2]), has become important again. In an ambush, being able to survive the first few seconds substantially improves your chances, and being able to inflict severe risk of bodily injury on your attackers substantially changes their perceived risk/reward.

    Of course, "absence of body beats presence of mind" (translation: avoid dangerous situations and areas) and absence of body even beats being properly equipped and trained, _but_ one can't always achieve absence of body.

    The problem with concealed carry and body armor is that the sum of firearm, reloads, and armor heavy and hot. Takes a lot of the fun out of things, and the concealment isn't perfect. Not only that, but one has to wear the rig for several months, and conduct occasional drills, to be able to use the rig intuitively when the time comes.

    Give me a safe society, where the above nonsense isn't necessary. The price of an unsafe society is surprisingly high.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbar_Fight
    2] Bulletproofme.com explains these terms.
  216. @Hypnotoad666
    Why do the NYT, etc. get away with reporting obvious hoaxes as if they are just established facts? Aren't they supposed to at least throw in an "allegedly" or two?

    To be consistent, they should report space alien abduction reports as established facts until video can prove the aliens are innocent.

    In the absence of a suspect, no ‘allegedly, alleged, or any other synonym is needed.’ Someone is only a ‘murderer, rapist, robber, etc.’ once they are convicted, or have confessed.

    Makes me kind of wonder whether the WaPo, NYT, or other outlets have been so recently callous about leaving out ‘alleged(ly).’ It would seem that stories that point to a ‘hate crime’ occurring as a matter of fact might possibly in the eventual arrest of a suspect be actionable in civil court.

    I suspect they smelled a rat as quickly as we did, and just went with the inflammatory prose to gin up the base.

  217. @Reg Cæsar

    reflects a heteronormative
     
    Cis-boom-bah!

    Johnny Carson – SIS BOOM BAH – Carnac Complete Segment

  218. @snorlax
    Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it I'm tempted to raise the "he made it all up" up to >99% — the only thing that gives me pause is the police looking for "persons of interest."

    Totes magotes real threat, return address "MAGA": "You will die black fag"

    If they actually arrest somebody I hope he costs them their jobs, but the way things have been going I’d be tempted to raise railroading to 99% after Slager, Fields, various people defending themselves, and that one hapa cop in the midwest who got screwed by the comically corrupt local DA. This is the future of American justice.

  219. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    Jesse Jackson infamously said that, even if the Duke Lacrosse male-accusing stripper turned out to be lying, he would ensure her “college tuition” was paid so that she “wouldn’t have to stoop that low again.”

    https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1091599/

    Jackson is a deeply evil man, and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson is a deeply evil man...
     
    He once characterized abortion as genocide for blacks, hardly an extreme view, but went back on that. Or perhaps he's come around to support genocide for blacks.

    However, he once asked me, "How ya doin'?", so I'll be easy on him for now.

    ...and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.
     
    When American Renaissance asked its readers which individual had done the most damage to white people's interests, without any hesitation I put down Ray.
  220. Off Topic:

    Some folks in Finland are not sparking joy for some ten year olds.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13650/finland-grooming-gangs

  221. @Ed
    Thread:

    https://twitter.com/robelgasabc7/status/1090786190117228546?s=21

    Wow, those images really narrow it down. From them, we can tell the perps are:

    1. Male, probably.

    And…well…that’s about it.

    But we’ve eliminated about 50 percent of Chicago’s population, so there’s that.

  222. @Ed
    Thread:

    https://twitter.com/robelgasabc7/status/1090786190117228546?s=21

    It’s also being reported by CWBChicago that these two gentlemen were walking away from where the alleged attack occurred, 15 to 20 minutes before the incident took place according to police timeline.

    So there is a good likelihood that these are just two saps walking down a street.

  223. @Lot
    https://twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1090703477888581632

    “extremity of his claims”

    Who talks like that?

  224. @snorlax
    Yeah, now that I'm thinking about it I'm tempted to raise the "he made it all up" up to >99% — the only thing that gives me pause is the police looking for "persons of interest."

    Totes magotes real threat, return address "MAGA": "You will die black fag"

    Black Fag is also the name of a rather excellent Black Flag cover band.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I was thinking Henry Rollins something dyslexia something something. But reality has got there first!
  225. “an unknown chemical substance”

    reportedly a compound consisting of two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen.

    • Replies: @jon

    “an unknown chemical substance”

    reportedly a compound consisting of two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen.
     
    And this is one of the most obvious flaws in the whole hoax -- it was only 6 degrees out, bleach or any liquid solution based in water would be frozen solid.
  226. @Lot
    Steve, the Starz channel has a docu-reality show called "America to Me" set in Oak Park HS.

    It looks awful to me, but if your father went there might be worth watching. I'd watch even a bad show filmed at my HS!

    I’m pretty sure it was Steve’s father-in-law, not father. And the Austin neighborhood of Chicago, not next door Oak Park.

  227. The potential person’s of interest are just black blobs in the photo released by police. The one on the right is possibly a woman.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I thought the one on the right is a woman too. Can’t explain why.
  228. There still is a justice system, sort of, so long as you’re not white
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6648081/Antifa-Washington-DC-boss-charged-ethnic-intimidation-mob-attacked-two-Marines.html
    Alcoff’s 17 charges include counts of aggravated assault, ethnic intimidation, conspiracy and terroristic threats, and one count of robbery while inflicting serious bodily injury

    Torres informed the police that Alcoff was one of those who was involved in the attack after reading a news article which connected Alcoff to Keenan, the Daily Caller reported

    The Marine then provided images he had taken during the attack and the investigators agreed that it was indeed Alcoff

  229. @J.Ross
    HAIL TO THE IMMORTAL NATION
    Salvini kicking "refugees" out of shelters
    http://archive.is/bvWR8
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/23/italy-evicts-more-than-500-people-refugee-centre-near-rome

    More than 500 people are being ousted from a refugee reception centre in a town close to Rome in the first major eviction since Italy’s rightwing populist government enacted hardline immigration measures into law.

    Thirty people were evicted from the centre, the second-largest of its kind in Italy and the place where Pope Francis washed residents’ feet as part of his Easter ritual in 2016, in Castelnuovo di Porto on Tuesday. A further 75 were removed on Wednesday, with the remaining 430 to be evicted before the centre’s closure on 31 January.

    The evictions follow the approval of the “Salvini decree”, named after Matteo Salvini, the interior minister and leader of the far-right League, in late November.

    Salvini claimed the centre, which has hosted about 8,000 people over the last eight years, was a den for “drug-dealing and crime” and that the same fate would soon befall the 2,000 people living in the sprawling Cara di Mineo reception centre in in Sicily and at similar structures across Italy.

    He said the closures would save the Italian government €6m (£5.2m) a year, money that would instead be spent “helping Italians”. “I did what any good father would have done,” he said.

    Riccardo Travaglini, the mayor of Castelnuovo di Porto, told reporters that no notice was given before the evictions. Men, women and children, many enrolled in local schools, were reportedly separated before the majority were taken by bus to undisclosed destinations. Some were housed by local residents, including Travaglini, who took in a woman from Somalia and her child.

    “In a single day, they managed to destroy years of (((work))),” Traviglini said. “These were people who had managed to become integrated.”

    Ne me frego!

  230. @Bill B.

    Rahm on #JussieSmollett “Obviously the alleged statement of what happened here is horrific and there’s no place for it here in the city of Chicago. I know the police department is working aggressively to [get] to the bottom of what happened."
     
    So D then?

    Rahm seems to have done a better job of maintaining some dignity than other Democratic dignitaries.

  231. CNN has come up with a Baldrically cunning plan to explain why Robert Mueller cannot prove any Russian collusion after two years and the full resources of the deep state:
    https://postimg.cc/94C6C3tz
    The proof of Russian hackers is the lack of proof of Russian hackers!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    Flashback to physicists on crack in 2011

    http://theconversation.com/is-the-large-hadron-collider-a-time-machine-447

    Switzerland’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) can be called a time machine in one sense: it enables us to examine conditions as they were during the universe’s early stages.

    But is the 27km-long particle accelerator a time machine of the kind in science fiction?

    In other words, can it create conditions that allow matter, radiation or information to travel back and forth in time?

    In 2009, Holger Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya (both respectable physicists) proposed that “retrocausal” influences from the future could have been responsible for the LHC’s initial failure to operate, with nature effectively sabotaging efforts to get it up and running.

    This calls to mind the “grandfather paradox”, and one possible response to it, which goes something like this: if you travelled into the past to kill your grandfather, thus preventing your own existence, events would intervene to frustrate any such attempt.

    Nielsen and Ninomiya suggested that the LHC was being sabotaged from the future by nature’s abhorrence of large quantities of Higgs boson particles, the idea being that any Higgs generator (such as the LHC) would be plagued by apparent ill-fortune.
     
  232. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    On a related note, it would be interesting to tabulate Chicago’s murder rate this week with regards to the extreme weather event Chicago is experiencing.

    The inference seems to be that there is a direct, linear relation between ambient temperature and murder in Chicago, this being an artifact of the number of gangbangers out of doors, and thus, in a random way, like air molecules, likely to ‘bump’ into each other.

    I wager zero murders have been perpetrated in Chicago today. Rather all like Lord Kelvin and his ‘absolute zero’ concept.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I wager zero murders have been perpetrated in Chicago today. Rather all like Lord Kelvin and his ‘absolute zero’ concept.
     
    However, people have been held up at gunpoint for their winter coats:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/victims-forced-to-give-up-canada-goose-coats-in-spate-of-armed-robberies-chicago/

    Although it's a particular, rather expensive coat in this case, so the motive for the crime seems to be entirely commercial.
  233. @MikeW
    I'd say C but who the hell knows? None of this makes sense. Gay bashers don't hang out in Streeterville, much less at 2a.m. when it's 7 degrees out. And I don't think anyone within 50 miles of Chicago would ever call it MAGA country.

    I haven’t lived in Chicago for 19 years, but Streeterville wasn’t a gay area back then. The gay area of Chicago was 4 miles north along Broadway.

    Streeterville was kind of a yuppie corporate worker place in the late 20th Century. Lots of expensive high rises, but a little bleak for some reason. I imagine lots has changed since then, though.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    The part of Streeterville where the attack was supposed to have happened was right near North Pier. In the 80's and early 90's this stretch of Illinois Street had a lot of night life but has since died back. There are a lot more high rise apartment buildings in the area now but it is a pretty quiet place. A quiet place, not a MAGA place!
  234. @J.Ross
    CNN has come up with a Baldrically cunning plan to explain why Robert Mueller cannot prove any Russian collusion after two years and the full resources of the deep state:
    https://postimg.cc/94C6C3tz
    The proof of Russian hackers is the lack of proof of Russian hackers!

    Flashback to physicists on crack in 2011

    http://theconversation.com/is-the-large-hadron-collider-a-time-machine-447

    Switzerland’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) can be called a time machine in one sense: it enables us to examine conditions as they were during the universe’s early stages.

    But is the 27km-long particle accelerator a time machine of the kind in science fiction?

    In other words, can it create conditions that allow matter, radiation or information to travel back and forth in time?

    In 2009, Holger Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya (both respectable physicists) proposed that “retrocausal” influences from the future could have been responsible for the LHC’s initial failure to operate, with nature effectively sabotaging efforts to get it up and running.

    This calls to mind the “grandfather paradox”, and one possible response to it, which goes something like this: if you travelled into the past to kill your grandfather, thus preventing your own existence, events would intervene to frustrate any such attempt.

    Nielsen and Ninomiya suggested that the LHC was being sabotaged from the future by nature’s abhorrence of large quantities of Higgs boson particles, the idea being that any Higgs generator (such as the LHC) would be plagued by apparent ill-fortune.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    Right. Some things are undecidable.
    For example, consider the "multiple universe" theory of quantum mechanics. Then consider an even tthat is almost certain to destroy the world as we know it but might (one chance in a thousand) not (e.g. second dinosaur killer class asteroid, or maybe the LHC). In almost all of the "multiple universes", the Earth as we know it is destroyed. However, in ours history the Earth as we know it was clearly _not_ destroyed, and that will be the case in _any_ universe in which we live.
    So, perhaps things are a good deal more precarious than we've thought. Certainly mass extinctions keep being discovered. Maybe we're a one in a billion or a googolplex of universes, the only one with human life as we know it.
    You can see why such thinking exists, but is not widely practiced. Its meaning isn't clear, nor is its usefulness.
    The LLC and the Higgs experiment made a good story because the accidents that kept delaying the experiment were so improbable. The experiment kept being delayed by the sort of things you'd expect from a very large piece of laboratory equipment, and then, just when they thought they had it working, Nature apparently made a last, desperate effort to stop the experiment [1]
    Retrocausation is actually an area of physics, and apparently real effort has been expended in this area [2].

    Why post this? It's good to understand various schools of thought, because you never know when they will crop up. Some of them (Continental Drift, for example) even turn out to be true.

    Counteinsurgency

    1] http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1937370,00.html
    2] https://transactionalinterpretation.org/2018/02/17/is-there-really-retrocausation-in-time-symmetric-approaches-to-quantum-mechanics/
  235. @dang
    He may have just slipped on the ice. Either that or he made it up completely. I think it's also possible he sent the letter himself.

    A source familiar with the investigation told CWBChicago that the rope was "thin clothesline, straight out of the package." The Sun-Times reports that the rope "didn't necessarily resemble a noose" as has been widely reported.

    He may have just slipped on the ice.

    At 6 degrees, road salts don’t melt ice, so it’s slippery out there.

  236. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Seeing a lot more "messing with the wrong boyfriend" chatter.

    I trolled through Youtube looking for videos of the guy last night because I wanted to know how, uh, faggy his voice and affect is, wondering whether in an encounter with two youths he might trigger them. Maybe he made a pass at the wrong person at two in the morning?

    Anyway, I found one appearance on a talk show, him and some black women talking about sex in the current age, and he related a trip to Florida where he arranged a one night stand with someone who contacted him on social media. So he does seem to sleep around with complete strangers to some extent, at least.

    • Replies: @guest
    He's gay. That's a given.
  237. @MEH 0910
    Supposedly he was on the phone with his manager when the alleged attack happened:
    https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/30/jussie-smollett-attack-surveillance-video-persons-of-interest/

    We've confirmed Jussie's manager Brandon Z. Moore told police he was on the phone with Jussie during the alleged attack. Brandon says he told cops he clearly heard the MAGA comment as well as the racial and homophobic slurs.
     

    Wow, that is one dedicated manager, willing to risk getting charged as an accomplice to a false police report for his client.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    You'd think the manager might have called the cops right away...
    , @ben tillman
    Eespecially now that the FBI is supposedly involved. Does that bring 18 USC 1001 into play?
  238. @El Dato
    Flashback to physicists on crack in 2011

    http://theconversation.com/is-the-large-hadron-collider-a-time-machine-447

    Switzerland’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC) can be called a time machine in one sense: it enables us to examine conditions as they were during the universe’s early stages.

    But is the 27km-long particle accelerator a time machine of the kind in science fiction?

    In other words, can it create conditions that allow matter, radiation or information to travel back and forth in time?

    In 2009, Holger Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya (both respectable physicists) proposed that “retrocausal” influences from the future could have been responsible for the LHC’s initial failure to operate, with nature effectively sabotaging efforts to get it up and running.

    This calls to mind the “grandfather paradox”, and one possible response to it, which goes something like this: if you travelled into the past to kill your grandfather, thus preventing your own existence, events would intervene to frustrate any such attempt.

    Nielsen and Ninomiya suggested that the LHC was being sabotaged from the future by nature’s abhorrence of large quantities of Higgs boson particles, the idea being that any Higgs generator (such as the LHC) would be plagued by apparent ill-fortune.
     

    Right. Some things are undecidable.
    For example, consider the “multiple universe” theory of quantum mechanics. Then consider an even tthat is almost certain to destroy the world as we know it but might (one chance in a thousand) not (e.g. second dinosaur killer class asteroid, or maybe the LHC). In almost all of the “multiple universes”, the Earth as we know it is destroyed. However, in ours history the Earth as we know it was clearly _not_ destroyed, and that will be the case in _any_ universe in which we live.
    So, perhaps things are a good deal more precarious than we’ve thought. Certainly mass extinctions keep being discovered. Maybe we’re a one in a billion or a googolplex of universes, the only one with human life as we know it.
    You can see why such thinking exists, but is not widely practiced. Its meaning isn’t clear, nor is its usefulness.
    The LLC and the Higgs experiment made a good story because the accidents that kept delaying the experiment were so improbable. The experiment kept being delayed by the sort of things you’d expect from a very large piece of laboratory equipment, and then, just when they thought they had it working, Nature apparently made a last, desperate effort to stop the experiment [1]
    Retrocausation is actually an area of physics, and apparently real effort has been expended in this area [2].

    Why post this? It’s good to understand various schools of thought, because you never know when they will crop up. Some of them (Continental Drift, for example) even turn out to be true.

    Counteinsurgency

    1] http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1937370,00.html
    2] https://transactionalinterpretation.org/2018/02/17/is-there-really-retrocausation-in-time-symmetric-approaches-to-quantum-mechanics/

  239. @Song For the Deaf
    Wow, that is one dedicated manager, willing to risk getting charged as an accomplice to a false police report for his client.

    You’d think the manager might have called the cops right away…

  240. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Good updates from the Crime in Wrigleyville/Boystown website (my apologies if this has already been posted):

    http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/01/update-tv-star-told-cops-to-turn-off.html

    UPDATE 10:41PM JAN 29 — Chicago police just announced that they have still not found any video of any suspects nor have they found any video of any vehicles in the area of the reported attack. Detectives have "expanded the search area for cameras to be able to provide photos of the alleged assailants in this attack," CPD chief spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi tweeted. "We are continuing to broaden our search."

    A source familiar with the investigation told CWBChicago that the rope was "thin clothesline, straight out of the package." The Sun-Times reports that the rope "didn't necessarily resemble a noose" as has been widely reported.
    -------------------------------
    The TV actor who reported being attacked in Streeterville early Tuesday by men who made racist and anti-gay comments while tying a rope around his neck and throwing bleach on him asked Chicago police officers to turn off their body cameras after they arrived to take his report, according to a CPD source.

    Jussie Smollett, the 36-year-old star of Empire, told police that he was attacked near his friend’s high-rise apartment while walking to get food at the Subway restaurant, 511 North McClurg Court, around 2 a.m.

    Crime victims sometimes ask the police to turn off their cameras when officers enter private residences, a police spokesperson said.

    In other developments:

    • Smollett was still wearing the noose around his neck when police arrived at his friend’s apartment nearly 45 minutes after the attack, according to a police spokesperson. Police took the rope as evidence.

    • Chicago police denied an ABC report that the FBI had taken over the investigation. The federal agency is looking into a separate incident in which a threat letter was mailed to Smollett in the past two weeks.

    • Smollett was said to be reticent to file a police report even after police arrived.

    • Police were summoned to an apartment in the 300 block of East North Water Street after a man who identified himself as a friend of Smollett's called 911 and said that a “well-known” person had been assaulted and battered after leaving his apartment, and they wanted a report. The apartment building is directly across the street from the Sheraton Grand Hotel's main entrance. The block also has a lower level—similar to Wacker Drive—for parking and service access.

    • EMS services were declined by the friend. Smollett later took himself to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, police said.

    • During his first conversation with police, Smollett did not say that the attackers made "MAGA" comments, a police spokesperson said. That detail was published by TMZ.com and Smollett mentioned it during a follow-up interview with police later in the day, according to the spokesperson.

    • Contrary to widespread reports that the alleged attackers were white, Smollett has not identified the attackers by race because the men were masked and wore gloves, according to police.

    • Police reviewed video from dozens of public and private surveillance cameras in the Streeterville area. As of 2:45 p.m. they had not seen any images of the attackers. Investigators have found footage of Smollett alone inside the Subway shop.

    /

    I'm going with made up, at least the part about an altercation on the street. Perhaps this was a quarrel between he and his male sex partner within his apartment. Never let an opportunity go to waste.

    When the police arrived they must have been confused. Where had the well known person disappeared to?

  241. @Roderick Spode
    Black Fag is also the name of a rather excellent Black Flag cover band.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AfQwDScC8

    I was thinking Henry Rollins something dyslexia something something. But reality has got there first!

  242. @Anonymous
    How do you stop 30 blokes from having a go at you?

    it's called an AR 15.

    “Lincoln freed the slaves, but Col. Colt made all men equal”.
    Before the repeating revolver, the dominant weapon for close combat in civil society in the US was the knife, specifically fairly long and massive knives. Dominant combatants were people like Col. Bowie [1]: offensive spirit, aggressive, characterized by tenacity. People who could use a knife and keep on fighting in close combat after being wounded. After the repeating revolver, dominant combatants were those who had good situational awareness, could react quickly, avoid close combat, and aim under stress. Strength and endurance mattered, but more in getting to the fight than during the fight.

    By analogy, when prohibiting firearms is proposed the consequences will not be a cecession of combat, but rather a change in its form. The dominant form of combat today appears to be the ambush. One side is armed with knives, improvised weapons (the sharpened screwdriver, for example), the occasional pistol, and if at all possible, armed with number of assailants. Violence is not, like the Sandbar Duel, a social matter, but rather more like hunting.

    It’s my opinion that concealed carry is a reasonable precaution today. Under the above conditions (ambush, return of bladed weapons), body armor (level III anti-stab [2]), has become important again. In an ambush, being able to survive the first few seconds substantially improves your chances, and being able to inflict severe risk of bodily injury on your attackers substantially changes their perceived risk/reward.

    Of course, “absence of body beats presence of mind” (translation: avoid dangerous situations and areas) and absence of body even beats being properly equipped and trained, _but_ one can’t always achieve absence of body.

    The problem with concealed carry and body armor is that the sum of firearm, reloads, and armor heavy and hot. Takes a lot of the fun out of things, and the concealment isn’t perfect. Not only that, but one has to wear the rig for several months, and conduct occasional drills, to be able to use the rig intuitively when the time comes.

    Give me a safe society, where the above nonsense isn’t necessary. The price of an unsafe society is surprisingly high.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbar_Fight
    2] Bulletproofme.com explains these terms.

  243. @George
    Smollett probably did not call the police. My understanding is ERs are required to report all assaults to the police. That is why the police showed up. Smollett should probably have not made any comments without first consulting a lawyer, but he did.

    Oddly, you seem to be implying that he has a realistic chance of being prosecuted should his story turn out to be fictitious. I’m not sure what would make you think that.

  244. @AnotherDad
    istevefan, the worst part of it is at the end:


    The issues with youth crime were initially around the St Kilda foreshore, but an increased police presence and the installation of new CCTV cameras has seen the violence move across the coast to the suburb of Chelsea and surrounding areas.
    “Members of the public can hire private security guards to monitor a private residence,” Victoria Police said in a statement.
    “The security guards would obviously need to be appropriately licensed (in this case Armed Guard) to be armed with pistols.”
     
    The left has introduced a cancer into Australia with immigration. Then when citizens are confronted with the issues they have created, their response is essentially "Not our problem. You go pay to protect yourself. And oh ... while you're doing it you better not run afoul of our regulations."

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can't understand why this doesn't driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where's the manly red-blooded Australians ... except it's the same crap here.

    When i was a young man a girl still had to be cute to be cute.

    LOL, and QFT, and LOL

  245. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    That is some next-level satire. I’m in awe.

  246. @Thirdtwin
    I'm going with D...

    From 2008: "CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said..."

    CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said…

    He was well named, presumably he was on a “Dick Quest” when he was arrested.

    https://nypost.com/2008/04/19/kinky-news-network/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'A sex toy in his boot'.

    Don't go there ;)
    , @Anonymous
    I always thought of him as rather 'odd', never mind the raspy breathless voice.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    The sad thing is that Quest is among the most entertaining and informative figures at that network. CNN was piped into the waiting areas of the building I worked in, and he was one of the few I would stop to watch when passing by.

    I'm still holding out hope for Erin Burnett (the goofy girl with the serious name) and Poppy Harlow (the serious girl with the goofy name), but haven't seen either in a while.
  247. @b.t.o
    What we need is a prediction market for hate incidents.

    Imagine when the "but this happens EVERY DAY in trump's America" and the "but WHY would anyone make that up?" crowd realize that the "Smollett Attack Confirmed" contract was currently trading at only .31 cents, and they stood to triple their money once it was inevitably shown to have actually happened.

    Conversely the evil pattern recognizers could be shamed into putting their money where their mouthes are, no doubt bankrupting most of them within 3-4 rounded backwards swastika and "no queer profs at Oberlin!" graffitis incidents.

    What we need is a prediction market for hate incidents.

    Imagine when the “but this happens EVERY DAY in trump’s America” … crowd realize that the “Smollett Attack Confirmed” contract was currently trading at only .31 cents,

    This only works for people who understand concepts like “market,” “contract” and “trading.” None of those are conducive to Leftoid feelz.

  248. E

    A MFA, creative writing grad from the DNC drafted the script. Smollett loved it, plus he gets a prime time slot at the 2020 Democrat convention and invites to the White House after Kamala is elected.

  249. @Tiny Duck.
    I bet you $100,000 the perp bigot is white.

    I bet you $100,000 the pervy pickup was white. FIFY.

  250. @Tiny Duck.
    I bet you $100,000 the perp bigot is white.

    > I bet you $100,000 the perp bigot is white.

    OK, how about two $100k bets, one for the Jussie assault and the other for Jazmine’s murder. Deal?

  251. @a

    Vampires can’t be seen in a mirror, right?
     
    That's a myth.

    I will believe that is a myth when you can present me with a vampire who can be seen in a mirror.

  252. @Jack D
    CASE UPDATE: Hours ago #ChicagoPolice detectives located a surveillance camera that shows potential persons of interest wanted for questioning in reference to the assault & battery of Empire actor. A community alert w/ photos is being constructed and will be disseminated shortly.

    https://twitter.com/AJGuglielmi

    Here he is:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1000/1*_buA3XBlVNK29UQduI_G7A.png

    They appear to be humans. Definitely bipedal. This narrows it down a lot. The squid people of Betelgeuse 4 are off the hook!

  253. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    That stalwart Rolling Stones guitarist, Keith Richards, once entitled a rare solo album of his ‘The Blamehound’.

    He explained the title in his own inimitable way “The Upper Classes used to have this habit of allowing an elderly dog sleep under the dinner table. The idea was whenever someone broke wind at the dinner table, a swift kick – followed by an audible yelp – would be delivered to the dog. Hence blamehound” .

  254. @YetAnotherAnon

    CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said…
     
    He was well named, presumably he was on a "Dick Quest" when he was arrested.

    https://nypost.com/2008/04/19/kinky-news-network/

    ‘A sex toy in his boot’.

    Don’t go there 😉

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Yes, I was hoping the source was American, not British.


    https://www.durangoboots.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-Master-Product-catalog-en/default/dw91084994/images/DB5554_LARGE.jpg

    http://www.newoldcar.co.uk/images/Featured_Cars/Ford/Cortina/654_1982_Ford_Cortina_Crusader_MK5/1982%20Ford%20Cortina%20Crusader%20MK5%20Boot.JPG
  255. @YetAnotherAnon

    CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said…
     
    He was well named, presumably he was on a "Dick Quest" when he was arrested.

    https://nypost.com/2008/04/19/kinky-news-network/

    I always thought of him as rather ‘odd’, never mind the raspy breathless voice.

  256. It’s hilarious that lurid Smollett-style assaults are the one offense that’s never improbable to our nation’s leadership class.

    If blacks were alleged to have attacked a white conservative in Portland, for example, everyone would know it was false: there’s no conservatives–and no blacks–in Portland, and in any case everyone knows blacks can’t commit violence against whites, or conservatives, by definition: it’s punching up.

    If a Muslim were alleged to have assaulted a Jew in a not yet wholly gentrified area of New York, everyone would know it was false: nothing could disturb the historic amity of those peoples, and if such a grotesque violation of the laws of probability did somehow occur, it would be too intersectionally complicated for any mere clickbait compiler or social-media manager to parse the balance of privilege, so best ignored.

    If a Hispanic were alleged to have attacked a black in Los Angeles in a bid to assert ownership of his neighborhood, everyone would know it was false: violence and territoriality are inimical to the peaceable spirit of the American elites’ gardening and nannying class, not to mention the fact that conflict between non-white populations would impede the realization of the post-white eschaton, and therefore cannot be permitted to occur in the theoretical realm of the nation’s newspapers, no matter what may be the case in practice.

    But could a black actor have been assaulted and noosed by white bigots shouting MAGA slogans in the wee hours of the morning in the streets of Chicago, which voted 83% and 2,018 out of 2,059 precincts for Hillary? Sure: it happens literally every day in AmeriKKKa.

  257. @CJ
    I'll go for D, and yes, it's probably about the ghey.

    You didn't ask, but when was it that I knew absolutely for sure that this story was bull****? The noose.

    When I read the “victims” first name

  258. @Anon
    We need a Gillette-Smollett commercial. Include Nathan Philips too.

    Lol stealing this

  259. This story is as fishy as Tsukiji at sunrise….

    1. Despite the fact that the vast majority of political/race-based violence comes from the left and not from the right, it is not unimaginable that a homophobic racist might have a MAGA hat. But that is not what is reported here. What is reported here is that attackers in CHICAGO shouted “This is MAGA country!” Really? This is Chicago were talking about… That would be like somebody roughing up a Red Sox fan in Northshore Boston shouting “This is Yankees country!” The idea is utterly preposterous. Insults involving MAGA are conceivable, but a right-wing Trump fan calling Chicago “MAGA country” is not.
    2. The reported scenario includes two men in masks, carrying some sort of chemical agent (originally reported as bleach, then walked back to “unidentified chemical substance”), and a noose attacking this Jussie Smollett. This scenario requires preparation and premeditation, and indeed has been reported as “premeditated.” The idea, however, that a pre-planned, premeditated attack would be carried out at 2 o’clock in the morning at a Subway Sandwich shop is crazy. Are we expected to believe that the attackers, carrying their chemical and noose, and masks to hide their identity, preplanned that this actor would come to Subway sandwich at 2 AM? Unless this fellow goes to Subway sandwich at 2 o’clock every morning, the idea makes no sense.
    3. A report reads “When officers showed up at the apartment, the rope was still around Smollett’s neck.” This makes zero sense. A victim of a hate crime, especially one with such symbolism as a noose, would immediately remove the symbol of hatred. The only reason to leave the symbol on, wearing it proudly, is to make a statement. The idea that a true victim would continue to wear the noose any longer than absolutely necessary – while sitting in an apartment waiting for the police to arrive ! – is ludicrous.
    4. The way the story emerged raises some deep questions. The “MAGA country” statement was originally attributed to an “unidentified acquaintance.” It came out later that it was Smollett’s publicity agent who introduced the “MAGA country” aspect of the story, saying that he was on the phone with Smollett when the attack occurred, and that he clearly heard the assailant shout “This is MAGA country.” Really? All of the sensationalism is based on a non-proven, utterly ludicrous statement by a publicity agent, and the mainstream media laps it up as fact? You would think that the mainstream media would learn….

    Perhaps the guy slipped on the ice and spilled his drink on himself. Maybe he was even beaten up by two guys wearing ski masks (after all – the temperature was below zero in Chicago at the time). But the “marauding Trump supporters beating up gay black men” narrative that the mainstream media is salivating over seems extremely unlikely.

    There is a long history of widely reported “hate crimes” that are later discovered to be 100% fictitious, fabricated for publicity reasons, and to perpetuate the myth of victimhood. I have zero doubt but this is yet another in the series of fake hate crimes. Nevertheless, my liberal friends will use it to reinforce the myth that all Trump supporters are racist homophobes. Sigh.
    .

  260. @Anonymous

    “Two unknown offenders approached him and gained his attention by yelling out racial and homophobic slurs towards him,” according to police.

    They then “began to batter [him] with their hands about the face and poured an unknown chemical substance on the victim” while “one of the offenders wrapped a rope around” his neck before fleeing the scene, cops said.
     
    The way the story is written a reader could get the impression that the police are narrating what they saw on the video.

    Sure. I mean, in that kind of cold, it makes perfect sense that people wouldn’t wear heavy caps or jacket hoods on their heads as they walked the city streets. And it’s night, dark. Yet these two strangers recognize this actor. Go on.

  261. @Spaulding Smails
    If this completely collapses in on itself and gets exposed beyond all reasonable doubt (in the eyes of the public) as a hoax, I’ve got my doubts as to whether or not it’ll make that much of a splash. The Jackie Coakley thing kicked off with the Rolling Stone article a little over six months after I graduated from college. I actually remember being relieved when it was patently exposed as a hoax (I also remember reading Steve talking about how fishy the broken glass table and whatnot was, and linking to that blogger who got in a hilarious spat with that awful Jezebel writer) because I thought it would put the brakes on the PC madness that was at that point (November 2014, so the early rumblings of the late Obama-age collapse) starting to really blow up, à la how the Duke lacrosse scandal wound up in a lot of people very publicly getting a lot of egg on their faces (one of my best friends in middle/high school had a cousin on the Duke lacrosse team at the time; fortunately he wasn’t one of the three guys singled out by Mangum, Nifong et al., so I remember watching that whole thing unfold too).

    Needless to say I was completely wrong; it’s just been getting worse and worse and worse for the past 4+ years. And it’s been pretty much forgotten by most people, too! A few months ago I made a passing reference to it in a conversation with my girlfriend and I just got a blank stare. I expanded on it a little bit and she had no idea what I was talking about. Nada. She’s 22, so a few years younger than I am but she follows the news quite a bit, plus add to the fact that she had just started her freshman year of college in November 2014 so why wouldn’t she have heard about a massive gang-rape of some lily-white coed barely two months into her starting school? Totally memory-holed.

    And that’s if it’s painfully obvious that this guy was bullshitting. If all that happens is that they never manage to find footage of the dude getting roughed up or something like that (I think this is completely bogus, btw; nothing at all even remotely adds up) it’ll just get dropped from the news cycle like hot potato.

    I think we should broadly publicize this particular web site that keeps a list of hate crime hoaxes. While certainly not authoritative, this is a very interesting site indeed.

    http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/

  262. @ben tillman

    Class anarko-tyranny. I can’t understand why this doesn’t driven red-blooded white men to get pissed off enough to end this. I snark about where’s the manly red-blooded Australians … except it’s the same crap here.
     
    I know, for the most part. Although, in Dallas, 28% white though it be, you would never find a jury that would convict someone for firing into that crowd if the police refused to act.

    I respectfully disagree.

    A white man firing into a hostile crowd of Sudanese and harming any one of them, no matter how trivial the injury, could well land the shooter in jail for a very, very long time and in the news spotlight as another example for why we need gun control.

    We have to face the fact that the country we once lived in is gone.

    I despise what has become of a once decent nation and its people.

    • Agree: Kylie
  263. @J.Ross

    I’m going to wager they have images from a point near his home which show him in satisfactory condition or show him disheveled in ways inconsistent with his account. They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s until they have him dead-to-rights.

     

    You're going to wager that? I wouldn't bet that way on any terms. Can you name one example of a hoaxer getting seriously prosecuted? Colin Flaherty found cases where the police just flat out refused to accept that anything was happening, refused to so much as write a report, and told rich people to just go home -- from this same department. The police are not the police.
    DEAR OLD PEOPLE. THE LAW DOESN'T WORK THE WAY IT DID WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER. There is effectively no law enforcement at all for a wide variety of activities.

    It would be a misdemeanor charge if they prosecuted him. The question at hand is will the police expose him or not. My guess is that the evidence they have currently is strongly suggestive but not quite probative.

    • Agree: vinteuil
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    As always you are internally logical but externally uninformed. Defaming white people is not a crime. Blood libel is a civic duty if the target is white or a cop.
  264. @guest
    "an unknown chemical substance"

    reportedly a compound consisting of two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen.

    “an unknown chemical substance”

    reportedly a compound consisting of two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen.

    And this is one of the most obvious flaws in the whole hoax — it was only 6 degrees out, bleach or any liquid solution based in water would be frozen solid.

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    “an unknown chemical substance”
    reportedly a compound consisting of two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen.
    - - - - - - - - - -
    Sounds like dihydrogen monoxide, which is dangerous; see
    http://dhmo.org/facts.html
  265. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anoln
    https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/empire-fox-tv-show-season-five-ratings/

    From December:

    From the beginning, the Empire TV show has been a big hit in the ratings for the FOX network. The numbers have been dropping for quite a while though and now, the series is looking less and less successful. Could former viewers return to watch Empire in season five? Will the show be cancelled or, will it be renewed for season six? Stay tuned.

    A hip-hop music drama series airing on FOX, Empire stars Terrence Howard, Taraji P. Henson, Bryshere Y. Gray, Jussie Smollett, Trai Byers, Gabourey Sidibe, Ta’Rhonda Jones, Serayah, Andre Royo, Rhyon Nicole Brown, and Nicole Ari Parker. The series revolves around the Empire Entertainment company, founder Lucious Lyon (Howard), his three sons (Gray, Smollett, and Byers), and their mother, Cookie (Henson). The Lyons lost the company in season four and season five finds the clan still trying to reclaim Empire two years later.

    The ratings are typically the best indication of a show’s likelihood of staying on the air. The higher the ratings (particularly in the 18-49 demo), the better the chances for survival. This chart will be updated as new ratings data becomes available — typically around 11:30am EST/8:30am PST. Refresh to see the latest.
     
    For the 8:00 p.m. time slot Empire on Fox is in last place after Survivor, Ellen's Game of Games, The Goldbergs, and Riverdale, although it was a rerun and the others were new episodes.

    https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/wednesday-tv-ratings-ellens-game-of-games-riverdale-star-seal-team-modern-family/

    For the 8:00 p.m. time slot Empire on Fox is in last place after Survivor, Ellen’s Game of Games, The Goldbergs, and Riverdale, although it was a rerun and the others were new episodes.

    I imagine, if you were a young black guy, in a black-produced show about the hip-hop industry, it would have to sting to know that your show got beaten by a show about Archie and the gang.

    Actually, I imagine that would sting if you were anyone at all, but after years of talk from your fellow blacks about how “we takin’ over”, getting beaten by a bunch of white cartoon characters from the 1940s, who were last relevant decades ago (and even then, just barely), would make you pretty desperate to get attention.

    Would it make you desperate enough for attention to stage a hate crime? I don’t know. But probably, if you were dumb enough.

  266. Considered all the other possibilities but admittedly didn’t consider (D)…hmmm. In any event and though it is not inconceivable that he actually WAS accosted by some ne’er-do-wells, something smells about this whole thing. There is reference to “people of interest” (which means exactly nothing) who-if this dude is to be believed, were (conveniently?) “masked”–at two in the morning. Would love to see the police report as well as police photos.

  267. @CJ
    I'll go for D, and yes, it's probably about the ghey.

    You didn't ask, but when was it that I knew absolutely for sure that this story was bull****? The noose.

    Yes. The account got less and less plausible the more I read, but the noose pushed it beyond all bounds of credibility.

  268. @Joe, Averaged
    All irrelevant. The important thing to remember is that the fact that people THINK it could have happened is an indictment of Trump’s America.

    GO FUND ME!!!

    If we were to lose this opportunity to browbeat, lecture, and harangue white men, that would be the greatest tragedy of all.

  269. @Olorin
    My guess is:

    He made it up but the Dems piled on, recognizing an opportunity for name recognition flogging.

    They must be looking for potential candidates for Danny Davis's seat in D7 in '21. He's what, pushing 80 now?

    Or maybe Maxine Waters's? He lives in Santa Monica, doesn't he? But living outside one's district doesn't matter.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-congress-living-outside-district-20151222-html-htmlstory.html

    It’s an interesting question, how many Dems, and how prominent, have “piled on.” Because think about how flakey this story is. In a serious country it wouldn’t even make the news until the cops had vetted his story thoroughly. Pols certainly wouldn’t be “piling on” because piling on to a liar and false accuser’s bandwagon would be a career-killer. But apparently loads of them are “piling on,” so the question is more “just how unserious a country do we have here?”

    • Replies: @vinteuil

    In a serious country it wouldn’t even make the news until the cops had vetted his story thoroughly.
     
    Exactly. In a serious country. But we're not living in a serious country.

    I regularly encounter otherwise seemingly sane gay men who honestly believe that they're in imminent danger of being rounded up and exterminated. Because Orange Man Bad - even though he's by far the most gay-friendly Republican ever.

    This Juicy guy is, unfortunately, a pretty typical case.
  270. @Johnny Smoggins
    The most ridiculous thing about this story is not that we're supposed to believe that two White guys wearing ski masks and (conveniently) MAGA hats were walking around Chicago on a frigid night with a noose and a bottle of bleach looking for a black homosexual victim but rather that the media will be able to convince NPCs that it did actually happen.
  271. From the original post:

    > Like I said last night, this one sounds so absurd that maybe it will turn out to be true

    Worth keeping in mind.

    At his blog slatestarcodex.com, Scott Alexander has made an obvious-upon-reflection point. For every ten events that you assess with, “I think the likelihood that X happened is 90%,” not-X should have occurred once.

    The white-bigot-attackers Narrative may end up falling apart, yet again, with Jussie. But one in ten (say) of these seemingly preposterous accounts will turn out to be true.

    The home-field advantage of Team Megaphone is that they determine which incidents stay in the limelight, and which go down the memory hole. So the impression of low-information and woke viewers/readers will be “right-wing skeptics wrong 1 out of 1 = 100% of the time,” not “SJW journalists and politicians jump to self-serving but erroneous conclusions 90% of the time.”

    • Agree: Trevor H.
  272. @Sane Left Libertarian
    Except, PL, hoaxes like this and the one a couple weeks ago (Jazmine Barnes) do grave damage to chances for actual liberal reforms in the US. We are never going to get UHC, military spending cuts and better public education as long as hate crime and rape hoaxers continue to motivate the alt-right to vote for people like Trump.

    Very true.

    The powerful like to find ways to divide us, based on race, religion, color, language, etc. Of course that is one of the main reasons for immigration. It is hard to get a diverse group of people to organize than a monoculture. For example, cab drivers in NYC couldn’t organize because one union only had Hindu members and the other main union only had Moslem members. People from outside the Subcontinent had no union, and the unions hated each other more than they hated the bosses.

    There is a certain amount of evidence that BLM may have cost just enough votes in the Midwest to swing the election to Trump. The leaders of BLM say they knew it was a possibility, but they couldn’t imagine Trump getting elected, so why not?

    The result of course is now many on the left are pissed off at BLM, which did far more damage to whatever their cause is.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    This "TPTB divide us" is so basic bitch. Boomers and caved-in-head normiecons are always spewing this crap (and too dumb to notice how it only makes sense in a socialist/socialist Christian heresy milieu).

    Nature and all of human history have divided "us"; there is no "us" to speak of.

    Seriously: who the $*@! is this "us"? Splain it for me, plz.

    They do unwillingly back into a point, in that TPTB want very much to divide Whites: white left from white right, white men from white women, etc.

    As for the rest, those are NATURAL DIVISIONS THAT TPTB ARE TRYING TO ERASE, DOWNPLAY, AND IGNORE.

    Humans REALLY ARE divided by race, religion, color, language.

    Note how the leftist managed not to call out "gender" in that list, or anywhere in his comment; what an amazing coincidence.

  273. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    With an AR-15, of course.

    OH, he means in Australia!

    Never mind.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I was just talking to a 4chan anon flying Dutch colors about the incident where ten antifa carrying clubs and pepper spray got the drop on two marines who weren't expecting a fight*: he wanted to know why a kung fu movie did not ensue. Educated noguns Europeans have absolutely no idea how fighting works.
    *Happily, those terrorists are on trial now, and they may even be punished because their victims were not white. Had the government recognized antifa as a terrorist organization after much earlier crimes these marines would not have suffered.
  274. @Lowe
    Blah, blah, blah, we don't know anything. It's not possible to know anything.

    Oh, heavens! I'm so worried about the gays! Did I ever you I'm friends with some of them? I even saved a gay's life once, let me tell you.

    That's you.

    He’s non-White. What’s he supposed to do? Side with the good guys?

  275. @J.Ross
    JOE BIDEN ON MILLENNIALS: TOO OLD, DO NOT WANT
    ------
    "Give me a break," he said of young people who "think they have it tough."

    In an apparent effort to make himself an even less appealing 2020 contender, former Vice President Joe Biden had some harsh words for millennials while promoting his new book on Wednesday. Here's what he said in a conversation with Patt Morrison of the LA Times:

    "The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be. So my message is, get involved. There’s no place to hide. You can go and you can make all the money in the world, but you can't build a wall high enough to keep the pollution out. You can't live where—you can't not be diminished when your sister can't marry the man or woman, or the woman she loves. You can't—when you have a good friend being profiled, you can't escape this stuff. And so, there's an old expression my philosophy professor would always use from Plato, 'The penalty people face for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves.' It's wide open. Go out and change it."

    Meanwhile:

    A January 2017 analysis of Federal Reserve data found that millennials, who are better educated than baby boomers, have a median household income of $40,581, meaning they earn 20 percent less than boomers did when they were our age. We're crippled with student debt to the point where home ownership is a pipe dream. So here's the deal, Joe—I'll give you a break if you give me some money.

    https://archive.fo/QX1FA
    -----
    We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.

    The movements are actually major reasons why the American standard of living was artificially depressed and may never recover, especially counting divorce normalization as part of the women's movement and considering the expenses that accrue with making major cities unliveable. So Biden as always is pretending to be dumb but actually glorying in his evil.

    No, he’s just inarticulate.

    Better educated in what subjects? More degrees, sure. But I buy the rest.

  276. @ben tillman

    That letter is hilariously bad. I mean, the reason people used to cut out letters from a magazine was to prevent cops from matching handwriting or a typewriter to the author, but whoever knew where to send this used the Internet, so they had a computer where they could have just typed this up in Word (if this was sincere).
     
    Printers are traceable. They leave fingerprints.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

    https://computer-hardware.wonderhowto.com/how-to/view-your-printers-secret-dots-fingerprints-271717/

    It’s mainly color laser printers (not a particularly common type of printer) that leave (semi) hidden yellow dots. The main reason for this is to prevent counterfeiting because color laser printers are good enough to produce convincing documents. Most color scanners will also recognize US currency and refuse to copy it.

    AFAIK, most B&W laser printers don’t print hidden codes, but there are other forensic methods of tracing documents back to a particular printer.

  277. @J.Ross
    JOE BIDEN ON MILLENNIALS: TOO OLD, DO NOT WANT
    ------
    "Give me a break," he said of young people who "think they have it tough."

    In an apparent effort to make himself an even less appealing 2020 contender, former Vice President Joe Biden had some harsh words for millennials while promoting his new book on Wednesday. Here's what he said in a conversation with Patt Morrison of the LA Times:

    "The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be. So my message is, get involved. There’s no place to hide. You can go and you can make all the money in the world, but you can't build a wall high enough to keep the pollution out. You can't live where—you can't not be diminished when your sister can't marry the man or woman, or the woman she loves. You can't—when you have a good friend being profiled, you can't escape this stuff. And so, there's an old expression my philosophy professor would always use from Plato, 'The penalty people face for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves.' It's wide open. Go out and change it."

    Meanwhile:

    A January 2017 analysis of Federal Reserve data found that millennials, who are better educated than baby boomers, have a median household income of $40,581, meaning they earn 20 percent less than boomers did when they were our age. We're crippled with student debt to the point where home ownership is a pipe dream. So here's the deal, Joe—I'll give you a break if you give me some money.

    https://archive.fo/QX1FA
    -----
    We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.

    The movements are actually major reasons why the American standard of living was artificially depressed and may never recover, especially counting divorce normalization as part of the women's movement and considering the expenses that accrue with making major cities unliveable. So Biden as always is pretending to be dumb but actually glorying in his evil.

    “The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.

    Boomers pushed on an open door then patted themselves on the back for the next fifty years.

  278. @Paleo Liberal
    Very true.

    The powerful like to find ways to divide us, based on race, religion, color, language, etc. Of course that is one of the main reasons for immigration. It is hard to get a diverse group of people to organize than a monoculture. For example, cab drivers in NYC couldn't organize because one union only had Hindu members and the other main union only had Moslem members. People from outside the Subcontinent had no union, and the unions hated each other more than they hated the bosses.

    There is a certain amount of evidence that BLM may have cost just enough votes in the Midwest to swing the election to Trump. The leaders of BLM say they knew it was a possibility, but they couldn't imagine Trump getting elected, so why not?

    The result of course is now many on the left are pissed off at BLM, which did far more damage to whatever their cause is.

    This “TPTB divide us” is so basic bitch. Boomers and caved-in-head normiecons are always spewing this crap (and too dumb to notice how it only makes sense in a socialist/socialist Christian heresy milieu).

    Nature and all of human history have divided “us”; there is no “us” to speak of.

    Seriously: who the $*@! is this “us”? Splain it for me, plz.

    They do unwillingly back into a point, in that TPTB want very much to divide Whites: white left from white right, white men from white women, etc.

    As for the rest, those are NATURAL DIVISIONS THAT TPTB ARE TRYING TO ERASE, DOWNPLAY, AND IGNORE.

    Humans REALLY ARE divided by race, religion, color, language.

    Note how the leftist managed not to call out “gender” in that list, or anywhere in his comment; what an amazing coincidence.

  279. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    This is no different from any other situation. We never have perfect information but we are still called upon all the time to make decisions in life. You can shrug your shoulders and say, I don’t have to have an opinion in this situation because I’m not a juror or police official in this case, but others are free to express their opinion based upon what is known.

    I would say that we know more about this case than many other cases and more than enough to make an intelligent guess that Jussie’s story is not 100% truthful. As Steve said, this could turn out to be the one black swan hate hoax that is not really a hoax, but so many elements of the story fit the pattern of hate hoaxes or are otherwise unlikely to have occurred that it’s entirely fair to have an opinion and for that opinion to be that the events did not occur the way Jussie described.

    As others have pointed out, I think you are saying that you have “no opinion” because you know on some level that the story is not likely to be true and you don’t want to look a fool when the football gets yanked out from under this story yet again. While this is certainly better than the credulousness we are seeing in the press, you should really be honest with us and with yourself and express what I believe to be your underlying doubts. It’s possible that Chicago really is MAGA country and filled with millions of hate filled Trump supporters who are ready to lynch gays and blacks, but the truth or falsity of this one incident won’t change that underlying reality either way.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I also post on a more left-wing forum. Sometimes people on the left rush to judgement. By waiting for the facts I look less of a fool than people anywhere on the political spectrum who rush to judgement.

    I have experienced being attacked for YT in the wrong place. I know people who have been victims of various hate crimes. I also know there are celebrities who get stalked. I also know the most publicized cases are often hoaxes.

    This is weird enough it may be a hoax or a psycho stalker. Not enough information yet.
  280. @Anonymous
    On a related note, it would be interesting to tabulate Chicago's murder rate this week with regards to the extreme weather event Chicago is experiencing.

    The inference seems to be that there is a direct, linear relation between ambient temperature and murder in Chicago, this being an artifact of the number of gangbangers out of doors, and thus, in a random way, like air molecules, likely to 'bump' into each other.

    I wager zero murders have been perpetrated in Chicago today. Rather all like Lord Kelvin and his 'absolute zero' concept.

    I wager zero murders have been perpetrated in Chicago today. Rather all like Lord Kelvin and his ‘absolute zero’ concept.

    However, people have been held up at gunpoint for their winter coats:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/victims-forced-to-give-up-canada-goose-coats-in-spate-of-armed-robberies-chicago/

    Although it’s a particular, rather expensive coat in this case, so the motive for the crime seems to be entirely commercial.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Two years ago, in NYC, on the coldest night of the winter (single digits, IIRC), someone walked off with my wool duffel coat from a restaurant. It's unlikely they'd been out without a coat--they just needed a warmer one...
  281. @Moses
    Does anyone remember the hoax re: the alleged noose that attacked the African American museum in DC?

    That one got memory-holed, and quick!

    100:1 odds the CCTV footage shoed a Black employee placing the noose. If the perp were White we'd never stop hearing about it.

    Thanks for the reminder. And that reminds me of the incident in D.C. when the confused young black woman made a wrong turn into a barricaded street (very easy to do in D.C. if you’re unfamiliar with the traffic patterns), then drove quickly away when police accosted her. Multiple police then chased her car, stopped her, then shot her dead while she sat in the car with her young child. Nobody paid any price for that obvious police misconduct, we don’t even know if the cop who shot her was black or white. Obama was president then…

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Well, let's try and keep some perspective on this. Cops in flyover country - especially red state flyover country - should be herded into donut shops.

    But cops in NYC, DC, and LA must be aggressive and act with impunity.

  282. @Tiny Duck.
    It happened. Most whites are bloodthirsty racists. Any of Steve Sailor’s commentators could be guilty of racism and hate crimes.

    Ohs Tinys…….

    Noes its didnts. member the time we was fytin and you went out to makes yoself feel betters. Yeh……you gotcho ass whupped jus like dis guy. Jus like did smallheds.

    Lenderb “always be splainin” Pittz

  283. “Like I said last night, this one sounds so absurd that maybe it will turn out to be true…”

    Thus you can see the effectiveness of the big lie: “surely they wouldn’t be this brazen! There must be some truth in there somewhere!”

    They use the big, unbelievable lie because it works.

  284. @Tiny Duck
    It happened

    People of Color experience this crap everyday and white men are racist

    You should believe rhem

    Like the mags smirk
    Boy

    Read Leonard Pitts

    I used to like Leonard Pitts, years ago. He was one of the guys I read to remind myself that all liberals weren’t insane.

    I’m kind of afraid to read him now. It would just break my heart to see him driven crazy with honky hate.

  285. @niteranger
    How about they put this idiot in jail for filing a false crime report. This reminds me of the Lebron James hoax where he said someone painted the N word on his gate. Unfortunately, by the time the cops arrived the N word had already been painted over. And guess what no video cameras in all the areas showed any perpetrators ever.

    The Sports and MainStream Media immediately covered it up and it just went away. These clowns must be held accountable for this type of stuff. From the Magic Native Americans to this story basically tells you that the Marxist Left will stop at nothing to control the dialogue of this nation. Just wait till these yahoos win the White House...then you'll see total insanity.

    LAPD is scared shitless to lock up James or a member of his posse for that hoax. it’s gone away as if it never happened. But it gave the various usual suspects a few days of empty outrage before they moved on to the next one.

    We are asked to believe the most famous athlete in the world who has children had no security cameras, nor did any of his wealthy neighbors. And he or his family had paint on hand to cover up the offending words in the middle of the night.

  286. @J.Ross
    HAIL TO THE IMMORTAL NATION
    Salvini kicking "refugees" out of shelters
    http://archive.is/bvWR8
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/23/italy-evicts-more-than-500-people-refugee-centre-near-rome

    More than 500 people are being ousted from a refugee reception centre in a town close to Rome in the first major eviction since Italy’s rightwing populist government enacted hardline immigration measures into law.

    Thirty people were evicted from the centre, the second-largest of its kind in Italy and the place where Pope Francis washed residents’ feet as part of his Easter ritual in 2016, in Castelnuovo di Porto on Tuesday. A further 75 were removed on Wednesday, with the remaining 430 to be evicted before the centre’s closure on 31 January.

    The evictions follow the approval of the “Salvini decree”, named after Matteo Salvini, the interior minister and leader of the far-right League, in late November.

    Salvini claimed the centre, which has hosted about 8,000 people over the last eight years, was a den for “drug-dealing and crime” and that the same fate would soon befall the 2,000 people living in the sprawling Cara di Mineo reception centre in in Sicily and at similar structures across Italy.

    He said the closures would save the Italian government €6m (£5.2m) a year, money that would instead be spent “helping Italians”. “I did what any good father would have done,” he said.

    Riccardo Travaglini, the mayor of Castelnuovo di Porto, told reporters that no notice was given before the evictions. Men, women and children, many enrolled in local schools, were reportedly separated before the majority were taken by bus to undisclosed destinations. Some were housed by local residents, including Travaglini, who took in a woman from Somalia and her child.

    “In a single day, they managed to destroy years of (((work))),” Traviglini said. “These were people who had managed to become integrated.”

    Guess they didn’t get the memo (bull?) from Cardinal Toobin.

  287. By way of Lion of the Blogosphere:

    https://abc7chicago.com/photos-show-potential-persons-of-interest-in-empire-actor-attack-police-say/5113489/

    LotB:

    They confirmed video shows Smollett walking across the street from the two possible persons of interest. Police said in the video he walks out of frame for about a minute and reappears on another camera “wearing a rope like a neck tie.”

    And then 45 minutes later he’s still wearing the rope.

    Click the link to the article to see the picture of the “persons of interest.”

    END LotB Quote

    There’s a news video at the linked site. It’s said that Smollett refused to turn over his phone to the cops.

  288. If you Google ‘Smollett hoax’ you find this has been going on for over 250 years!

  289. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Your hermeneutic praxis, while Othertruth-positive, is neither rigorous nor structural insofar as your truth-claims neither empha(size) nor even u(til)ize the language(s) of "rigor" and "structure."

    Please revisit your structural praxis so as to encompass a rigorous interrogation of structure. All hermeneutic buzzword boxes must be both checked /and/ unpacked.

    Clearly, much work remains to be done.

    I like where this is headed……..a POMO “Drop the Mike” challenge to the death…..or at least until we go to commercial between you and “Ghost of Bull Moose”!

  290. I haven’t read all the comments but now Smollett is claiming that he never said the attackers were white. I suppose that’s possible and the media SJW’s filled in the story line on their own using white males as villains. But my guess is that he did and was too stupid to realize that the area he was allegedly attacked in has video cameras so didn’t think his sexy story could be contradicted.

  291. D. It’s all about D.

  292. @Isolee
    Doesn't matter; its going to end in 24- 48 hours with Smollett pleading mental health/substance abuse issues and heading off to a facility and a whole bunch of "while this incident may not have occurred, ongoing violence against gay POC is a real issue..." thinkpieces.

    After Covington though, I think most major media agencies have been noticeably more cautious; tellingly, the Obamas have also declined to comment so far on an issue that involves both their political obsessions and their home town.... I note, however, most current senior Democrats couldn't resist twittering stuff they will shortly regret.

    Except for NPR – this morning they promised an update with the latest on “the hate crime attack” and didn’t throw the standard journalist word alleged.

  293. Literally no one believes this occurred, but some people are paid to claim otherwise.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    At least half the country believes it.
  294. @Isolee
    Doesn't matter; its going to end in 24- 48 hours with Smollett pleading mental health/substance abuse issues and heading off to a facility and a whole bunch of "while this incident may not have occurred, ongoing violence against gay POC is a real issue..." thinkpieces.

    After Covington though, I think most major media agencies have been noticeably more cautious; tellingly, the Obamas have also declined to comment so far on an issue that involves both their political obsessions and their home town.... I note, however, most current senior Democrats couldn't resist twittering stuff they will shortly regret.

    most current senior Democrats couldn’t resist twittering stuff they will shortly regret.

    Never in a million years will any Dem experience regret, as they don’t suffer any consequences for their blathering inanities. In fact, media protects them by deep-sixing said comments, never repeating them. Only Reps get recent and ancient observations–taken out of context–repeated ad nauseam until it’s the received truth.

  295. @Paul Rise
    Quick way to tell if these things are real -

    Are people of color/jews/etc shot dead, beaten almost to death, or incinerated?

    Probably a real hate crime.

    Are POC/jews/etc standing around looking at the swastika on the wall, or noose, or hate graffiti, etc.?

    Probably not a real hate crime.

    Another way to tell if a hate crime is a hate hoax:

    The “crime” occurs on a college campus or in a deep blue city or state.

    Funny how all these Trump era hate crimes are committed in Massachusetts or Oberlin College or New York, but never in Slavesville MS or Lynchem, Alabama.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Just like "gun violence" and undocumented waste disposal!
  296. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Your hermeneutic praxis, while Othertruth-positive, is neither rigorous nor structural insofar as your truth-claims neither empha(size) nor even u(til)ize the language(s) of "rigor" and "structure."

    Please revisit your structural praxis so as to encompass a rigorous interrogation of structure. All hermeneutic buzzword boxes must be both checked /and/ unpacked.

    Clearly, much work remains to be done.

    10 demerits for reuse of the words praxis, structure, etc.

  297. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Concern troll is concerned.

    What else can we glean from this fascinating example of leftist “reasoning?”

    >Starts with naked assertion that the facts available so far are inadequate to make any sort of judgment on the plausibility of the alleged hoaxer’s story — then refuses to engage with the facts, or with the internal contradictions of the story itself, attempting to shift the narrative to alleged personal characteristics of the actor himself.

    >Then makes another shift to emphasize the overall importance of oppressor/ victim narratives, and of framing any sort of victim-claiming story (like this actor’s) in terms of the teller’s status in the “progressive stack”/ victim hierarchy. Reinforces this attempted reframe with unverifiable personal anecdote, portraying himself as “ally” of a member of an officially-designated victim class — thereby gaining valuable victim points himself.

    >Concludes by making vague statement which typifies the typically-leftist conflation of “is” and “ought” — of normative and positive — emphasizing his overall viewpoint that objective reality is of minimal importance relative to verbally signaling one’s unstinting support for The Narrative.

    Well OK then.

    A more general explanation of how the “virtue signaling” mechanism that Paleo illustrates here functions with respect to hoax crimes:

    Once the legacy media chooses to market a particular anecdote as an intersectionally-significant morality play in the “news,” and has identified the putative “oppressor” and “victim” roles in the story, all good people immediately understand that the designated “oppressor” is driven by mindless “hate,” and that the intersectionally-supreme “victim” deserves sympathy for his justified “fear.” Publicly signaling one’s support for the “victim” — and for the officially-assigned victim class to which he belongs — is the sign of a “good” person. Focusing on the specific facts of the anecdote in question is seen as identifying with the “oppressor,” so anyone who does this is clearly a “hater.” You’re not one of those people, are you?

    Note also that in Paleo’s short post, consisting of only 9 sentences, he has managed to use 10 first person singular pronouns:
    “I” = 8 “my” = 1 “me” = 1

    My take?” “I always find it” “The only way this would interest me at all is because I know” “I hope” “I remember” “I convinced” “I didn’t want” “I hope” “I don’t like”

    Narcissism.

    Finally:;
    We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant… We don’t know”

    Got a mouse in your pocket?

  298. @Sane Left Libertarian
    It could be A and D. He picked a one-nighter, including ski masks and rope, and when done they went to Subway, after which they revealed themselves to be Trumpers. Buyer's remorse set in, and, not knowing what to do, be texted Shaun King, and here we are.

    This scenario would make an entertaining short film!!

  299. @anon
    Well, the thing about it is, Paleo Liberal knows it's fake too. You can tell by the line "The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago".

    Obviously, if he/she thought this attack was really white people trying to lynch a black person, he/she would be deeply concerned about all the racist violence in the country. The whole "I just don't find this story very interezting." thing is just something they say when they know the story is fake, and want to have the story go away quickly, so there isn't much discussion of the issue of blacks faking hate crimes.

    You saw that type of line a lot in the comments section of the Washington Post and places like that, as the Covington case started to unravel. Back when people thought it was real racism, it was a huge deal, but when it turned out to be an old Indian lyinh about white kids, suddenly it became a story that they wanted us to know they didn't care about.

    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff. For example the stalker who broke into George Harrison’s home, disabled a top/of-the-line security system and almost killed George and Olivia Harrison.

    That is why I say I can’t tell if this really happened. That and security cameras did see two people but not the attack.

    As for worrying more about the gay vs. black angle: I have queer friends in Chicago. I know some black guys who live in the suburbs. So I am less worried about folks in the suburbs being attacked.

    • Replies: @anon
    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    I suppose, in a sense, it could be. But as you know, it isn't. It's a case of a black guy lying about white people, as blacks frequently do.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff.

    Like contact psychics to find out when extremely minor celebrities are going to make a Subway run at two in the morning?

    That is why I say I can’t tell if this really happened.

    Sure you can. You're just not honest enough to admit it.

    As for worrying more about the gay vs. black angle: I have queer friends in Chicago.

    Virtue status: Signalled!

    So I am less worried about folks in the suburbs being attacked.

    Fine, but is this story (which, by the way, you know to be fake) your first clue that Chicago is violent?

    And are you really going to pretend that your stunning and brave queer friends in Chicago are really at risk of getting beaten up by white Trump supporters? Because they're not. If they're going to get beaten up, it's going to be by black people.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff.
     
    And a MAGA hat would be the perfect diversionary tactic.

    Mark David Chapman was hardly the first:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ann_Steinhagen

    Why she went after Eddie when Putsy, Blix, Granny, and Schoolboy were available, I don't know. The Russ Meyer on that team wasn't the one who made Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!, but the two were close in age. Maybe that confused her.
    , @Jack D

    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff. For example the stalker who broke into George Harrison’s home, disabled a top/of-the-line security system and almost killed George and Olivia Harrison.
     
    George Harrison was a world famous celebrity - in Lennon's words, the Beatles were more famous than Jesus. I (and I am guessing 99% of all Americans) never heard of Jussie Whatshisname until this happened - he was not even B List. In addition, it was a million degrees below zero in Chicago at 2AM when this happened. Even if you were a crazy stalker, you'd have to be REALLY crazy to wait outside in that weather. And Yussie was presumably bundled up for the cold and not readily recognizable.

    So it COULD be a celeb stalker or it could be the Rooshians or Martians or anybody, but chances are it is a big load of BS - there are just too many pieces that don't fit.
  300. @AndrewR
    Jesse Jackson infamously said that, even if the Duke Lacrosse male-accusing stripper turned out to be lying, he would ensure her "college tuition" was paid so that she "wouldn't have to stoop that low again."


    https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1091599/

    Jackson is a deeply evil man, and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.

    Jackson is a deeply evil man…

    He once characterized abortion as genocide for blacks, hardly an extreme view, but went back on that. Or perhaps he’s come around to support genocide for blacks.

    However, he once asked me, “How ya doin’?”, so I’ll be easy on him for now.

    …and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.

    When American Renaissance asked its readers which individual had done the most damage to white people’s interests, without any hesitation I put down Ray.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Some people, including Jesse Jackson and Mrs. King think Ray may have been set up.

    I honestly don’t know.
    The “evidence “ is basically that some suspicious persons who were in Dallas when JFK was shot were also in Memphis when MLK was shot.

    Which could also mean they were FBI agents who were assigned to watch both trips.
    , @Svigor
    That damage was done by (((Big Media))). Ray was merely their convenient instrument. It could have all been done without Ray (i.e., some other nut shooting MLK), but not without (((Big Media))).
  301. @Jack D
    This is no different from any other situation. We never have perfect information but we are still called upon all the time to make decisions in life. You can shrug your shoulders and say, I don't have to have an opinion in this situation because I'm not a juror or police official in this case, but others are free to express their opinion based upon what is known.

    I would say that we know more about this case than many other cases and more than enough to make an intelligent guess that Jussie's story is not 100% truthful. As Steve said, this could turn out to be the one black swan hate hoax that is not really a hoax, but so many elements of the story fit the pattern of hate hoaxes or are otherwise unlikely to have occurred that it's entirely fair to have an opinion and for that opinion to be that the events did not occur the way Jussie described.

    As others have pointed out, I think you are saying that you have "no opinion" because you know on some level that the story is not likely to be true and you don't want to look a fool when the football gets yanked out from under this story yet again. While this is certainly better than the credulousness we are seeing in the press, you should really be honest with us and with yourself and express what I believe to be your underlying doubts. It's possible that Chicago really is MAGA country and filled with millions of hate filled Trump supporters who are ready to lynch gays and blacks, but the truth or falsity of this one incident won't change that underlying reality either way.

    I also post on a more left-wing forum. Sometimes people on the left rush to judgement. By waiting for the facts I look less of a fool than people anywhere on the political spectrum who rush to judgement.

    I have experienced being attacked for YT in the wrong place. I know people who have been victims of various hate crimes. I also know there are celebrities who get stalked. I also know the most publicized cases are often hoaxes.

    This is weird enough it may be a hoax or a psycho stalker. Not enough information yet.

    • Replies: @anon
    This is weird enough it may be a hoax or a psycho stalker.

    No. It's just a hoax. And you know it, or you wouldn't have said that the story doesn't interest you.
    , @res
    What kind of odds would you be willing to offer on a bet? Care to offer your current probabilistic assessment? Questions like that are a good way to cut through the BS.

    FWIW I'd be willing to give 10 to 1 odds it is a hoax and unwilling to take the other side at 100 to 1 odds except as a lark.
  302. @Lowe
    It's disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett's attack. They don't give column inches to countless actual murders. Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.

    Covering Smollett's attack at all is another example of their extreme left bias, to the point of self parody.

    It’s disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett’s attack. … Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.

    It’s not disgraceful, it’s the status quo. NYT and other major media outlets are no different than TMZ and the tabloids. They are all in the entertainment business with an audience (eyeballs) to gather–as is Smollett.

    The world is filled with voyeurs, with needs to be entertained, dramas to be explored, imaginations to run wild. The Smollett “story” fills that need.

    You want it to be a disgrace–you want it to be one way–but it’s not, it’s another way. It’s reality. It is a shock to wake up, have your eyes opened, discovering you’ve committed a crime. The crime of noticing. Noticing that media is not news, it’s another way–it’s entertainment.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    Only if you believe that only about half the country (much of it the sort that never consumes the likes of the NYT) should be sold entertainment.

    Propaganda, on the other hand...
    , @vinteuil

    ...you want it to be one way–but it’s not, it’s another way...
     
    That's from The Wire, right?

    Words spoken by the most perfectly evil character (and that's up against some pretty stiff competition!) from that...interesting show?
  303. @SF
    The potential person's of interest are just black blobs in the photo released by police. The one on the right is possibly a woman.

    I thought the one on the right is a woman too. Can’t explain why.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    Me, too. The shape of the shoulders, the way the arms are held, the posture, the cut of the clothing - all say "female" to me.
  304. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    The whole question of whether this actually happened reflects a heteronormative white patriarchal Western chauvinist systematical micro-aggressive othering of intersectional emotional labor suggesting pre-postmodern standards and discounting oppressed peoples' lived experience while privileging objectivity and non-contextual verifiable realities over culturally marginalized understandings of traumatic subordination and delegitimizing subjective, non-binary truth interpretations of persecuted individuals.

    Don’t know what’s funnier, your comment, or that TD thinks it’s for reelz!

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    That is not TD. Notice the period.
  305. @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson is a deeply evil man...
     
    He once characterized abortion as genocide for blacks, hardly an extreme view, but went back on that. Or perhaps he's come around to support genocide for blacks.

    However, he once asked me, "How ya doin'?", so I'll be easy on him for now.

    ...and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.
     
    When American Renaissance asked its readers which individual had done the most damage to white people's interests, without any hesitation I put down Ray.

    Some people, including Jesse Jackson and Mrs. King think Ray may have been set up.

    I honestly don’t know.
    The “evidence “ is basically that some suspicious persons who were in Dallas when JFK was shot were also in Memphis when MLK was shot.

    Which could also mean they were FBI agents who were assigned to watch both trips.

  306. @YetAnotherAnon

    CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said…
     
    He was well named, presumably he was on a "Dick Quest" when he was arrested.

    https://nypost.com/2008/04/19/kinky-news-network/

    The sad thing is that Quest is among the most entertaining and informative figures at that network. CNN was piped into the waiting areas of the building I worked in, and he was one of the few I would stop to watch when passing by.

    I’m still holding out hope for Erin Burnett (the goofy girl with the serious name) and Poppy Harlow (the serious girl with the goofy name), but haven’t seen either in a while.

  307. @Anonymous
    'A sex toy in his boot'.

    Don't go there ;)

    Yes, I was hoping the source was American, not British.

    • Replies: @Lot
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/theatre/2015-09/14sep/kinky-boot-xlarge.jpg
  308. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff. For example the stalker who broke into George Harrison’s home, disabled a top/of-the-line security system and almost killed George and Olivia Harrison.

    That is why I say I can’t tell if this really happened. That and security cameras did see two people but not the attack.

    As for worrying more about the gay vs. black angle: I have queer friends in Chicago. I know some black guys who live in the suburbs. So I am less worried about folks in the suburbs being attacked.

    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    I suppose, in a sense, it could be. But as you know, it isn’t. It’s a case of a black guy lying about white people, as blacks frequently do.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff.

    Like contact psychics to find out when extremely minor celebrities are going to make a Subway run at two in the morning?

    That is why I say I can’t tell if this really happened.

    Sure you can. You’re just not honest enough to admit it.

    As for worrying more about the gay vs. black angle: I have queer friends in Chicago.

    Virtue status: Signalled!

    So I am less worried about folks in the suburbs being attacked.

    Fine, but is this story (which, by the way, you know to be fake) your first clue that Chicago is violent?

    And are you really going to pretend that your stunning and brave queer friends in Chicago are really at risk of getting beaten up by white Trump supporters? Because they’re not. If they’re going to get beaten up, it’s going to be by black people.

    • Replies: @ChrisM
    Stalkers do not come in pairs.
  309. @Sane Left Libertarian
    Except, PL, hoaxes like this and the one a couple weeks ago (Jazmine Barnes) do grave damage to chances for actual liberal reforms in the US. We are never going to get UHC, military spending cuts and better public education as long as hate crime and rape hoaxers continue to motivate the alt-right to vote for people like Trump.

    “Cuz the alt-right put Trump in office? Right! All 23 of Andrew Anglin’s KKK white supremacists voted for Trump.

    I thought it was the Russians.

    Sane Left. LOL.

  310. @Paleo Liberal
    I also post on a more left-wing forum. Sometimes people on the left rush to judgement. By waiting for the facts I look less of a fool than people anywhere on the political spectrum who rush to judgement.

    I have experienced being attacked for YT in the wrong place. I know people who have been victims of various hate crimes. I also know there are celebrities who get stalked. I also know the most publicized cases are often hoaxes.

    This is weird enough it may be a hoax or a psycho stalker. Not enough information yet.

    This is weird enough it may be a hoax or a psycho stalker.

    No. It’s just a hoax. And you know it, or you wouldn’t have said that the story doesn’t interest you.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    the story doesn’t interest you.
     
    According to Orwell,

    Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.
     
    So many times we see stories like the U Va "rape" and we wonder how it is that otherwise intelligent people don't see the obvious holes in the story - it's because those people have developed a facility for crimestop and we still lack it. Crimestop goes beyond just your public utterances - you become literally incapable of entertaining heretical thoughts.
  311. @MEH 0910
    Supposedly he was on the phone with his manager when the alleged attack happened:
    https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/30/jussie-smollett-attack-surveillance-video-persons-of-interest/

    We've confirmed Jussie's manager Brandon Z. Moore told police he was on the phone with Jussie during the alleged attack. Brandon says he told cops he clearly heard the MAGA comment as well as the racial and homophobic slurs.
     

    So why didn’t one or both call the police immediately when the attack began?

    And the manager is awake and on the phone st 2 AM.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    A celebrity actor manager being on the phone at 2AM is par for course. That's not the unbelievable part of this story.
  312. Likely there will be doubt about what actually happened for a while, long enough that when the cops finally conclude it’s a hoax the media ‘influencers’ will be able to ignore it. Or the hoax will be refuted, and shown as another example of racist cops not caring about violence against black gay men.

  313. @Lowe
    Blah, blah, blah, we don't know anything. It's not possible to know anything.

    Oh, heavens! I'm so worried about the gays! Did I ever you I'm friends with some of them? I even saved a gay's life once, let me tell you.

    That's you.

    Chicago, circa 1994: Don’t wear a dress on a commuter train, if you’re a man–you might get attacked.
    Chicago, circa 2024: All men must wear a dress while commuting to prevent attacks on anyone.

  314. @Paleo Liberal
    This could be a celeb stalker case.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff. For example the stalker who broke into George Harrison’s home, disabled a top/of-the-line security system and almost killed George and Olivia Harrison.

    That is why I say I can’t tell if this really happened. That and security cameras did see two people but not the attack.

    As for worrying more about the gay vs. black angle: I have queer friends in Chicago. I know some black guys who live in the suburbs. So I am less worried about folks in the suburbs being attacked.

    Celebrity stalkers have done some absolutely unbelievable stuff.

    And a MAGA hat would be the perfect diversionary tactic.

    Mark David Chapman was hardly the first:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ann_Steinhagen

    Why she went after Eddie when Putsy, Blix, Granny, and Schoolboy were available, I don’t know. The Russ Meyer on that team wasn’t the one who made Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!, but the two were close in age. Maybe that confused her.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Now why don't the movie buffs on this site discuss that movie! It's a friggin trash masterpiece.
  315. @Ozymandias
    OT:

    I may be a cynical old bastard, but I can see clearly that the Dems are pushing these abortion laws to force the issue before the court before Ruth dies. I'll also bet that they want it to be the main issue for 2020. Just saw a fembot on TV raging about how Trump is trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    RBG will be long dead before any cases challenging new abortion laws makes its way through the courts to the USSC.

    Just saw a fembot on TV raging about how Trump is trying to: fill in the blank.

    I dunno. Maybe change the channel. Isn’t all kinda repetitive…

  316. @J.Ross
    JOE BIDEN ON MILLENNIALS: TOO OLD, DO NOT WANT
    ------
    "Give me a break," he said of young people who "think they have it tough."

    In an apparent effort to make himself an even less appealing 2020 contender, former Vice President Joe Biden had some harsh words for millennials while promoting his new book on Wednesday. Here's what he said in a conversation with Patt Morrison of the LA Times:

    "The younger generation now tells me how tough things are. Give me a break. No, no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal guys, we decided we were gonna change the world. And we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be. So my message is, get involved. There’s no place to hide. You can go and you can make all the money in the world, but you can't build a wall high enough to keep the pollution out. You can't live where—you can't not be diminished when your sister can't marry the man or woman, or the woman she loves. You can't—when you have a good friend being profiled, you can't escape this stuff. And so, there's an old expression my philosophy professor would always use from Plato, 'The penalty people face for not being involved in politics is being governed by people worse than themselves.' It's wide open. Go out and change it."

    Meanwhile:

    A January 2017 analysis of Federal Reserve data found that millennials, who are better educated than baby boomers, have a median household income of $40,581, meaning they earn 20 percent less than boomers did when they were our age. We're crippled with student debt to the point where home ownership is a pipe dream. So here's the deal, Joe—I'll give you a break if you give me some money.

    https://archive.fo/QX1FA
    -----
    We finished the civil rights movement in the first stage. The women’s movement came to be.

    The movements are actually major reasons why the American standard of living was artificially depressed and may never recover, especially counting divorce normalization as part of the women's movement and considering the expenses that accrue with making major cities unliveable. So Biden as always is pretending to be dumb but actually glorying in his evil.

    It was Biden who got student loans exempted from discharge in bankruptcy. This should be brought up in every story about Biden.

  317. @istevefan
    A little OT. Steve has posted several items about the disproportionate crime committed in Australia by its newfound diversity. Here is a story about a man in Melbourne having to pay $1000 per day for armed guards to give him protection the police cannot provide.

    A furious Melbourne man has spent an eye-watering amount of money to protect his property from gangs threatening his family.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade have hired armed guards at a cost of $1000 per day, following a string of confrontations with gang members outside their home in the city’s southeast.

    He said he initially confronted the youths with a baseball bat after they smashed his car and made threatening comments towards him and his partner.

    CCTV footage shows Frank surrounded by a large group of youths, brandishing the bat to get rid of them.

    He claimed they later returned in larger numbers.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    The couple alleged the group threw glass bottles and furniture at Frank and his family, with his partner Jade getting injured.

    “They come in numbers and they’re just so angry,” she said. “They say they’re going to kill us — really vulgar things.”
     

    I see the Aussie press is learning to use the word 'youths' from their American brethren.

    Maybe White Australia was not a bad idea after all.

    Chelsea resident Frank and his partner Jade…

    I won’t bother to ask of Jade’s sex, but right here is evidence that immigration is not the only area in which Australia’s standards have gone to pot. Or whatever the much more vivid Oz phrase would be.

    “(The bat) deterred them for a little bit, but when they came back — how do you stop 30 blokes having a go at you?”

    • Replies: @Lot
    Roof Koreans and This Is Library are the Kings of Asian American Memes.

    Spread them everywhere.
  318. Drudge is reporting (c/o The Gateway Pundit) that the boy won’t turn his cell over to the cops.
    By the by, what was that story about the tanking ticket sales for his forthcoming “concert” in LA?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I really don't blame him for not wanting to turn over his phone to the cops. I live the cleanest imaginable life and yet I would not want to give the cops carte blanche to pore thru my phone. And I'm guessing that Jussie doesn't live the cleanest imaginable life.
  319. @Debaser
    I remember when Kevin Spacey was theatre director at the Old Vic in London and turned up battered and bruised on a Monday having claimed he was attacked while out walking his dog in a London park at 4am on a Sunday morning...

    Spacey was in a park notorious for random gay sex hook ups for the last 200 years.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    When Spacey did his non-apology apology video a few months ago, he happened to hold in one hand a cocoa mug special to a charity society overseen by the Prince of Wales, which he belongs to and has done events with.
  320. Update: Yashar Ali of New York Magazine has tweeted that both Smollett and his manager are refusing to turn over telephone records of the night in question.

    • Replies: @Marat
    ... "to show Smollett's manager was on the phone with Jussie when the attack took place" ... The carrier could easily confirm the conversation. Establishing their contact (or lack of it) is not the reason for refusing to hand over the phone. That phone has something(s) on it Smollett doesn't want revealed. He should have smashed his cell and gotten rid of it during this drama.

    The police don't dare delve into Smollett curiously refusing to provide evidence that would ostensibly help solve his own case. Why? Riots. They'll just drop it.

    This case shares much in common with the Ballsy Fraud case.While the left is busily rewriting history, some individuals are going that one step extra and rewriting their own personal histories and "sharing" their psychodramas. Part righting of imaginary sleights of old, part chance to justify their own embarrassing behavior. All consistent with the new retroactive history narrative that America has never been anything but a racist hellhole.

    Ballsy Fraud Affair established that the Victim must be believed. At least this case leaves out tiresome yearbooks.

  321. anonymous[478] • Disclaimer says:

    Although it’s in a downtown area at 2 am it’s deserted except for the homeless derelicts who live in some of the subterranean areas there, mostly black homeless. Would MAGA hat-wearers be regular viewers of ‘Empire’ and thus be able to immediately recognize him? They just happen to be carrying nooses and bleach with them? Perhaps he was looking for cheap alley sex and drugs from those homeless people. Saw the evening news treat this as a serious story even though it’s so preposterous that the level of lying and playacting is really shameless.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Saw the evening news treat this as a serious story even though it’s so preposterous that the level of lying and playacting is really shameless."

    The London Evening Standard. owned by a Russian oligarch and edited by former UK Chancellor George Osborne, have two stories about it on their crime page, among the tales of 'youths' kicking people unconscious on Tube trains and women being surrounded by "a group of men" and sexually assaulted in a Tube station.
  322. @Lot
    There have been a few hate hoaxes with consequences, like charges of filing a false police report.

    I noticed that Smollet a few days ago talked with Al Sharpton on a cable show and had some twitter chat with him. Sharpton got away with a hate hoax, but I think it did damage his ability to do Big Corp shakedowns compared to Jesse Jackson.

    Of course it is made up. The noose thing is really a tell.

    Actual far right violence tends to be mass shootings against random innocents, like in South Carolina, Quebec, and Pittsburgh.

    Every single one of many "I found a noose" claims have been obscure attention-whore left wing activist types hate hoaxing.

    Sharpton got a lucrative publicity bump from the hoax, but the hoax had a disparate financial impact on the non-rich, non-famous 15 year old that he talked into participating in the false-accusation rape hoaxing.

    Unsupervised teenagers in groups most certainly can be as mean as snakes, trying to outdo each other in sadistic displays of bullying to impress their peers.

    Today’s welfare and tax-credit-pampered, dual-earner or single, so-called working parents do not really raise their daycare-tended kids in many cases, but what are the chances that a whole group of teens would be out on the freezing-cold mean streets of crime-plagued Chicagoland at 2:00 am in the morning?

    And the Chicago of today—no less than the Chicago of twenty years ago or the Chicago from the days of Sinclair’s immigrant-stuffed meat-packing sweatshops—is not MAGA territory.

    Unless a midwestern urban backlash formed against the long-standing utopian bliss of Chicagoland diversity in some surviving white enclave, deploying a group of unsupervised teen guerrilla fighters to express its pent-up rage, it seems more likely that this guy might just be reliving the horrors of junior-high bullying.

    Or, he might be trying to beef up his show’s ratings among the advertisers’ most sought after group of viewers: big-spending youths whose product loyalties are still unformed. These days, many businesses are using emotional political pitches to beef up support for their brands, aiming the messaging at youthful consumers.

  323. @Paleo Liberal
    My take?

    I always find it amusing how people are expected to have opinions about things they don’t have very much information about.

    None of us know what happened or did not happen. We were not there. We don’t know if the alleged victim is a blatant liar or the most honest man in the world. We don’t know if he is a publicity seeking drama queen or if he was attacked or both.

    The only way this would interest me at all is because I know a married male-female couple in a completely different part of Chicago who are both bisexual and I hope Chicago isn’t the sort of place they would need to worry. I remember about 25 years ago I convinced the man of that couple to change out of a dress before getting on a commuter train after some gay event, since I didn’t want him to be attacked.

    So in that frame of mind I hope the attack is either false or targeted to that one particular person, just because I don’t like people getting attacked when they are wandering around a city.

    Chicago has a history of attacks on queers in Boys Town, but the assailants are always genetically related to Smollet, not MAGA-hat types from Canaryville or Portage Park, who couldn’t care less about what happens in the rest of the city anyway.

  324. @anon
    This is weird enough it may be a hoax or a psycho stalker.

    No. It's just a hoax. And you know it, or you wouldn't have said that the story doesn't interest you.

    the story doesn’t interest you.

    According to Orwell,

    Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.

    So many times we see stories like the U Va “rape” and we wonder how it is that otherwise intelligent people don’t see the obvious holes in the story – it’s because those people have developed a facility for crimestop and we still lack it. Crimestop goes beyond just your public utterances – you become literally incapable of entertaining heretical thoughts.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Super-important point. Orwell delivers again.

    I'm getting to the point where I believe he's the only writer we need to read to understand our society.
    , @Mr McKenna
    To demonstrate the point, I tried running this story past a couple of lefty friends tonight. One acted bored and stared off into the middle distance when I related a couple of extremely unlikely angles to the story. The other said he hadn't heard of the story and had no idea what I'm talking about. Never mind he's gay and a bit of a newshound. Sounds like my friends are on to me. Figuratively I mean.
  325. If something this improbable actually happened, Smollett would technically/morally/karmically deserve it. He is a public figure who openly calls for people to beat Trump up. He wants to live in a country where people deal with their political differences by beating those they disagree with to a pulp.

  326. @Lot
    I lost interest in pro sports around age 25. I was really excited when the local NFL team moved away because we wouldn't gift their billionaire owner a billion dollar stadium.

    HD big screen TVs and those drone overhead cameras does make it tempting when I visit fans. But once you're out of the habit and don't know who any of the players are, it isn't hard to stay on the wagon.

    I watch the NFL playoffs, but that’s it. I can’t see the puck in hockey, I never understood the attraction of basketball, and baseball is boring.

    Now golf!

  327. @Joseph Doaks
    Thanks for the reminder. And that reminds me of the incident in D.C. when the confused young black woman made a wrong turn into a barricaded street (very easy to do in D.C. if you're unfamiliar with the traffic patterns), then drove quickly away when police accosted her. Multiple police then chased her car, stopped her, then shot her dead while she sat in the car with her young child. Nobody paid any price for that obvious police misconduct, we don't even know if the cop who shot her was black or white. Obama was president then...

    Well, let’s try and keep some perspective on this. Cops in flyover country – especially red state flyover country – should be herded into donut shops.

    But cops in NYC, DC, and LA must be aggressive and act with impunity.

  328. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Local Fox 32 reporter suggests a hate hoax based on a PD source:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel

    There's also a possible fake story Smollett was beat up by the boyfriend of a guy he hit on at a club. But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn't the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be "I'm already dating someone, but let me ask if he's up for a threeway."

    “But are gays really violently jealous like that? Wouldn’t the more typical reaction at a gay nightclub, especially to a celebrity, be “I’m already dating someone, but let me ask if he’s up for a threeway.””

    Well, you must have your little joke, but as the world’s leading authority on Homos and Negroes (I wrote the book on it!) remember these guys are Negro first, Homo second, so the potential for violence/robbery is always ready to hand. It’s a Negro thang, not a Homo one.

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    If you are who you claim to be, this Bud's for you. I am not gay, but your ideas are quite interesting and I agree with you (and Cochran) that nationalists are mostly better off with high-achieving homosexuals in our camp (as 'twere).
  329. @Forbes

    It’s disgraceful the NYT and other major papers give any coverage whatever to Smollett’s attack. ... Let TMZ and the gossip papers handle this.
     
    It's not disgraceful, it's the status quo. NYT and other major media outlets are no different than TMZ and the tabloids. They are all in the entertainment business with an audience (eyeballs) to gather--as is Smollett.

    The world is filled with voyeurs, with needs to be entertained, dramas to be explored, imaginations to run wild. The Smollett "story" fills that need.

    You want it to be a disgrace--you want it to be one way--but it's not, it's another way. It's reality. It is a shock to wake up, have your eyes opened, discovering you've committed a crime. The crime of noticing. Noticing that media is not news, it's another way--it's entertainment.

    Only if you believe that only about half the country (much of it the sort that never consumes the likes of the NYT) should be sold entertainment.

    Propaganda, on the other hand…

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Propaganda certainly qualifies as media, though I don't thank that all media qualifies as propaganda. On the other hand, I do think that modern media is entertainment.

    My beef, you could say, is people complaining that media is doing it wrong, i.e. they want a different product than they're viewing/reading. Yet, they keep demonstrating the definition of insanity by repeating the act (viewing/reading) while expecting a different outcome. All evidence to the contrary, they expect it to be one way, but it's not, it's another.

    They'd better change their habits and expectations because reality is unlikely to change for them.
  330. @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson is a deeply evil man...
     
    He once characterized abortion as genocide for blacks, hardly an extreme view, but went back on that. Or perhaps he's come around to support genocide for blacks.

    However, he once asked me, "How ya doin'?", so I'll be easy on him for now.

    ...and I imagine MLK would have been shown to be no better than Jackson, had James Earl Ray not martyred him.
     
    When American Renaissance asked its readers which individual had done the most damage to white people's interests, without any hesitation I put down Ray.

    That damage was done by (((Big Media))). Ray was merely their convenient instrument. It could have all been done without Ray (i.e., some other nut shooting MLK), but not without (((Big Media))).

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I really disagree. King's entire mystique today, especially among the younger generations who have no adult memories [if any] of his era, is due to his martyrhood. I could be wrong, but I think he would have turned into a shameless race hustler à la Jackson, but he was killed before the era in which he would have been able to unleash that side of him. When he died, reasonable people were still able to believe that the Civil Rights Movement™ was about equality, not about gibs and revenge. If he were still alive today, you can bet that there would be far fewer, if any, cuckservativea genuflecting to him and singing his praises. He would have long since shown his true colors, and his sainthood would not be taken for granted like it is today.
  331. @dang
    He may have just slipped on the ice. Either that or he made it up completely. I think it's also possible he sent the letter himself.

    A source familiar with the investigation told CWBChicago that the rope was "thin clothesline, straight out of the package." The Sun-Times reports that the rope "didn't necessarily resemble a noose" as has been widely reported.

    Rope in the form of a noose
    Uknown xhemical substance

    Sounds like someone fell into a dumpster then teied to “explain” to mom.

  332. @Art Deco
    It would be a misdemeanor charge if they prosecuted him. The question at hand is will the police expose him or not. My guess is that the evidence they have currently is strongly suggestive but not quite probative.

    As always you are internally logical but externally uninformed. Defaming white people is not a crime. Blood libel is a civic duty if the target is white or a cop.