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Universal Pre-K of the Apes

From The Telegraph:

Chimpanzees raised by humans no cleverer

5:00PM BST 10 Jul 2014

Chimpanzees raised by humans turn out to be no cleverer than those given an ape upbringing, research has shown.

Genes largely determine a chimp’s intelligence, a study has shown – and human intervention makes no difference to it at all.

Research into chimp intelligence could help scientists get a better handle on human IQ, say scientists. …

The new research involving 99 chimpanzees from a wide range of ages showed that genes explained about 50% of the differences seen in their intelligence test scores.

Chimps raised by human caretakers did no better in the tasks than individuals brought up by their chimpanzee mothers.

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  1. Skyislander says:Website

    That’s because they were not raised by ‘gay humans’.

  2. This pretty much demolishes the arguments in favor of desegregation and diversity.

  3. Anonymous says:

    For the record, the title link just goes to the “Bedtime for Bonzo” picture.

  4. Anonymous says:

    This is only because of systemtic prejudice against chimpanzees. The differences between apes and humans are purely cultural.

  5. Sara says:

    Chimps raised by humans actually turn out poorer than chimp-raised chimps. They miss out of the specific knowledge and skills needed to survive in the jungle. Add to that the trauma of being separated from their biologic parents to be raised by alien ones, no matter how well-intentioned.

  6. peterike says:

    This just goes to show you that there really ARE racists working everywhere to keep down people of color.

  7. What about humans raised by apes or dogs?

    Tarzan??

  8. Universal Pre-K of the Apes | Reaction Times says:Website

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  9. Sara says:

    Romulus and Remus?

  10. Anonymous says:

    What about humans raised by apes or dogs?

    Don’t be such a jerk..

  11. Cloudcastler says:

    How is it that a bunch of fictional apes have more guts to take on the system than we do?

  12. jomupooliver says:

    Make the human couple in BEDTIME into Jews, and you have the Obama story.

  13. Were the human rearers White?

    That’s the problem. They were probably radiating micro-aggressions.

  14. Anonymous says:

    this has The Onions fingerprints all over it

  15. Sunbeam says:

    Okay, I have no problem believing this.

    What I do have a problem with is the converse argument.

    A lot of people say genetics is everything, that environment counts for nothing.

    But from what I have learned from life it is a easy to screw something up.

    If I understand what some people who frequent boards like this say, genetics is the only thing that matters.

    Let’s take a kid from Boston. Both of his parents are typical SWPL types. Just to stick a number on it, the kid has the potential for an IQ of 140 or so.

    Now instead take the kid at birth and raise him in the environment seen in the Precious movie. Does anyone think this kid would be capable of going to MIT or an elite institution? Without some kind of AA admission? Or that he would be capable of doing well on the coursework?

    Sure doesn’t seem that way to me.

  16. Flemur says:

    It’s a typically funny article: a very different environment made no difference in intelligence, therefore the environment is responsible for 50% of the difference in intelligence.

    OK, then!

  17. JimBoob says:

    So Teach for America is pointless? I’m shocked.

  18. Gordo says:

    The Torygraph not allowing comments on this one.

  19. gwood says:

    We must reject the simian bigotry of low expectations.

  20. Lurker says:

    Chimps raised by human caretakers did no better in the tasks than individuals brought up by their chimpanzee mothers.

    *sigh* *rolls eyes*

    Because it takes a village to raise a chimpanzee.

  21. Skyislander says:Website

    Movie idea: Man Kong.

    The world has been taken over by apes, and apes now run all the civilizations. But an expedition of apes come upon this island where there’s a huge human. They bring him back to ape civilization, and the huge human guy escapes and…

  22. Skyislander says:Website

    How about some remakes of film classics with apes?

    Midnight Cowape.

    The Graduape.

    The Godape.

    The Apexorcist.

    Banana and Her Sisters.

    Ape-calypse Now.

  23. JimBoob says:

    How’s this for a Planet of the Apes sequel?
    Martin Luther King Kong.

  24. Anthony says:

    Anyone familiar with the 43rd President could have told you that.

    (Too easy?)

  25. @Sunbeam

    You’re citing individual exceptions.

    The point of HBD is that differences in averages have big effects when comparing large groups.

    Tokyo is Tokyo because it’s filled with Japanese.

  26. George says:

    OK iSteve I get it, but which chimps had larger vocabularies those raised by humans or those raised by chimps?

  27. coolhandle says:

    “Chimps raised by human caretakers did no better in the tasks than individuals brought up by their chimpanzee mothers.”

    What was the nature of these “tasks”? I’ll bet they were white tasks. What a racist study.

  28. Godslayer says:

    @Sunbeam

    >Now instead take the kid at birth and raise him in the environment seen in the Precious movie. Does anyone think this kid would be capable of going to MIT or an elite institution? Without some kind of AA admission? Or that he would be capable of doing well on the coursework?

    Plenty of East Asian kids grow up in environments similar to Precious and end up going to schools like Stuyvesant and then move onto schools like MIT. These kids live in the worst parts of NYC and have uneducated parents that are always working.

    If you look at the poverty Statistics for schools like the The Bronx High School of Science and Stuyvesant high school.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_laureates_by_secondary_school_affiliation

    These 2 institutions have churned out more nobel laureates than any other high school. And send a lot of students regularly to MIT and other top institutions.

    http://batteryparkcity.com/news/40-of-stuyvesant-students-live-at-poverty-levels/

    40% of Stuyvesant Students Live at Poverty Levels

    http://riverdalepress.com/stories/Bronx-Science-parents-nix-test-changes,54519?page=2&

    While 45.6 percent of the student body at Bronx Science was eligible for free or reduced lunch — a measure based on family income

  29. HA says:

    @Godslayer

    Plenty of East Asian kids grow up in environments similar to Precious and end up going to schools like Stuyvesant and then move onto schools like MIT. These kids live in the worst parts of NYC and have uneducated parents that are always working.

    Anyone who has two parents who are “always working” is not in an environment similar to the one Precious was raised in, especially if his peers are other East Asian kids. I never even saw that movie, but I know enough of the story to guess that you know even less about it than I do, or else forgot significant parts of it.

    Granted, genetics (or community genetic milieu, if you will), plays a major role in anyone’s “environment”, regardless of whether you’re an East Asian or Precious, but that is a separate matter.

  30. “This pretty much demolishes the arguments in favor of desegregation and diversity.”

    Absolutely, Laguna Beach Fogey. Banksters ought not to be part and parcel to the community.

    Now, the results of the study are not surprising, given this important caveat–Chimpanzees are easier test subjects for intelligence studies compared to humans because the researchers did NOT have to account for the chimpanzee’s environment (i.e. their school system, their level of poverty).

  31. Jim says:

    @Sunbeam

    A white child of average SWPL parents is not likely to have an IQ of more than 140. Probably less than 10% chance.

    It’s not that genetics accounts for everything. It accounts for roughly 50%. However the remaining variation has little to do with traditional notions of nurture. It is labeled “non-shared environment” at the present. What different things it amounts to remains to be discovered. The traditional nurture stuff forms what is called “shared environment” meaning shared between siblings. It’s effects seem surprisingly weak.

  32. Godslayer says:

    @HA

    @Ha

    While the experience may not be exact the same as the child from the movie.

    The East Asians share similarities on average with blacks in the ghettos

    They both live in the same locations, Sec-8 housing

    Have parents that don’t do any parenting

    Attend the same highschools

    Have around the same parental income

    Except one group manages to climb out of poverty in one generation while the other remains trapped, Overall the average experiences are similar enough
    ———————
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/10/22/philly.school.asian.american.attacks/

    By the end of the school day, as many as 30 students of Asian descent had been physically attacked and many were sent to the hospital for treatment, according to school and law enforcement officials.

    Wei Chen, who was a senior at the time, remembers December 3, 2009, like it was yesterday.

    “They were sitting along the wall,” he recalled. “I saw the one student, his whole T-shirt [was bloody] because his nose is broken.”

    Wei was not injured in last year’s melee, but he said the violence was racial tension between black and Asian immigrant students reaching its breaking point.

    ———————-

    Demographics at South Philly High

    http://greatphillyschools.org/en/show/south-philadelphia-high-school-southern#demographics

    Percent Black
    64.8%
    Percent White
    5.5%
    Percent Asian
    20.3%
    Percent Hispanic
    8.3%
    Percent Other
    1.1%

  33. Godslayer says:

    @Jim

    @Jim

    Heritability is around .45 in children and .55 unknown based on previous studies so the .5 from this study doesn’t throw off suspicious numbers

    But it increases into adulthood

    For 18 years or more heritability goes up to .85

    This makes sense because even though intelligence is scaled so that child is compared to his peers, gene expression is still highly variable. Casual observations on height can be easily seen that the tallest person in a group of 6 year olds probably won’t be the tallest after everybody in said group became adults.

    ———————————

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

    Estimates in the academic research of the heritability of IQ have varied from below 0.5[2] to a high of 0.8 (where 1.0 indicates that monozygotic twins have no variance in IQ and 0 indicates that their IQs are completely uncorrelated).[4] Turkheimer (2003) found that for children of low socioeconomic status heritability of IQ falls almost to zero.[5] IQ heritability increases during early childhood, but it is unclear whether it stabilizes thereafter.[6] A 1996 statement by the American Psychological Association gave about .45 for children and about .75 during and after adolescence.[7] A 2004 meta-analysis of reports in Current Directions in Psychological Science gave an overall estimate of around .85 for 18-year-olds and older.[8] The general figure for heritability of IQ is about 0.5 across multiple studies in varying populations
    ———————————-

    Also I would estimate the chance of SWPL’s would have more like a 3%-5% chance of producing a child with 140 IQ. Remember 140 IQ is the average IQ for PHD’s in Math/Engineering/Physics most medical doctors only have around 130.

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