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From the Associated Press:

St. Louis Post-Dispatch: 2 officers shot in Ferguson
Associated Press
10 minutes ago

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Two police officers were shot outside the Ferguson Police Department early Thursday as protesters gathered following the resignation of the city’s embattled police chief, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

The shots were fired as what had earlier been a crowd of about 150 people had begun to dwindle, the newspaper reported. Some protesters fell to the ground and others ran. A huge police presence, including officers in riot gear, later surrounded the department.

Ferguson Lt. Col. Al Eickhoff told the newspaper that he didn’t think either officer was from his department. Eickhoff said he didn’t know the extent of the officers’ injuries. …

TV station KSDK reported the officers were taken to a local hospital.

With the paucity of info we have so far, this double shooting could be anything (two cops accidentally shooting each other, say). But in outline it sure is reminiscent of what happened in Brooklyn in December.

Jackson was the sixth employee to resign or be fired after a Justice Department report cleared white former Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson of civil rights charges in the shooting of black 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson last summer. A separate Justice Department report found a profit-driven court system and widespread racial bias in the city police department.

Jackson’s resignation becomes effective March 19, at which point Eickhoff will become acting chief while the city searches for a replacement.

Jackson had previously resisted calls by protesters and some of Missouri’s top elected leaders to step down over his handling of Brown’s shooting and the weeks of sometimes-violent protests that followed. He was widely criticized from the outset, both for an aggressive police response to protesters and for his agency’s erratic and infrequent releases of key information.

He took nearly a week to publicly identify Wilson as the shooter and then further heightened tension in the community by releasing Wilson’s name at the same time as store security video that police said showed Brown stealing a box of cigars and shoving a clerk only a short time before his death.

Releasing to the public the security camera footage of Michael Brown setting off on his crime spree appears to be the ex-police chief’s unforgivable sin in the eyes of the national press. Who is in charge of The Narrative here, anyway?

 
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  1. Probably a KKK false flag.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    Yup, if there's one thing I learned from the media and public school, it's that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner.
    , @countenance
    Black militants on social media are already claiming that, though they blame the cops, not the KKK.
  2. further heightened tension in the community by releasing Wilson’s name at the same time as store security video that police said showed Brown stealing a box of cigars and shoving a clerk only a short time before his death

    This is unadulterated evil.

    The truth “heightens tensions”?

    “the police said”?

    What does the writer of this piece think the video showed?

    A good first step in fighting this evil is getting a name from the Associated Press – either the writer or the editor who signed off on this article, and publicizing it. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn't really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for. People also noted that the store hadn't called in the robbery. (Gosh, I wonder why not.)

    I'd never heard anyone express doubt that the video showed him shoving the clerk, though.
    , @24AheadDotCom
    It's usually easy to find out who wrote an AP article, just search for words from the article at ap dot org. The two authors in this case haven't tweeted yet so, what are you going to do, send them an email?

    I hate to keep saying "you're doing it wrong and that's why they win" over and over, except it's true. Even if those AP reporters were active tweeters, either one of two things would happen (if anything): Twitchy would send their orcs (scratch that, orcs have brains) after them and nothing good would come of it, or someone would just send them an offensive tweet and think that was enough.

    What I've done in the past is things like http://24ahead.com/n/10760 I subsequently tried to undercut her to other AP reporters in the Southeast bureau. In that I got precisely zero help. If I had gotten help with that, then people like her would think twice about misleading. If I tried to do something like that with the two AP reporters for this article, I'd get little or no help and it wouldn't go anywhere. And, it's not like someone else is going to start a non-idiotic campaign designed to discredit specific AP reporters.

    And, that's why you have articles like the one in the post.
  3. Should we be surprised? Obama, Holder and the rest of the Civil Rights extortion brigade fill the atmosphere with an explosive mixture of racial hatred and grievance did they expect the pack of animals they encouraged to not strike a match?

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is *exactly* what the wanky left media, who stirred the pot nonstop, wanted.
    Make no mistake, they wanted this result, and are ecstatically, orgiastically happy that two cops have been shot. If the cops actually died then the wanky left would be ejaculating at the news.
    You think I’m exaggerating or lying for effect? No.

    • Replies: @leftist conservative

    Anonymous says:

    March 12, 2015 at 7:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This is *exactly* what the wanky left media, who stirred the pot nonstop, wanted.
    Make no mistake, they wanted this result, and are ecstatically, orgiastically happy that two cops have been shot. If the cops actually died then the wanky left would be ejaculating at the news.
    You think I’m exaggerating or lying for effect? No.
     
    I disagree. The corporate does indeed stir the race war pot, but the corporate media and "the powers that be" make war on whites and white males in particular.

    Part of the way they wage that war is via the police. The police are on their side. Not the side of whites.

    The police protect the rich and the powerful and the corporations, not us whites. The police protect the nonwhites and immigrants, aka the economic footsoldiers of the corporations.

    So, no, the media does not want cops attacked. KKK members and white separatists? Sure.

    That is why I have little sympathy for the police in this matter. They aint my protectors.
  5. Wow. You beat the Drudge Report on this one, Steve. I’m going to start coming here for all my news needs.

    • Replies: @QB
    Winner winner chicken dinner!
    ...
    oops. Meant nothing untoward by that.
    Heh.
  6. Madison’s off the hook.

    Maybe someone from the University of Oklahoma did it. This will put them way below the fold. At least for a while.

  7. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Probably a KKK false flag.

    Yup, if there’s one thing I learned from the media and public school, it’s that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of Lee Harvey Oswald...

    Today, I happened across an obituary that has a very interesting if ultimately irrelevant anecdote about Oswald that suggests he may have been targeting the Governor of Texas rather than President Kennedy!

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000512&slug=4020518

    Former Annapolis colleague Hank Searls recalls that one morning during the Kennedy administration, Capt. Kerr, then a special counsel to Secretary Connally, opened a letter from Moscow.

    "The writer, one Lee Harvey Oswald, asked that the secretary reverse his Marine Corps less-than-honorable discharge and grant him an `honorable' one," Searls said. "But Kerr had never been a rubber-stamp bureaucrat. He learned Oswald had been a `lousy' Marine. He advised Secretary Connally to turn down the request."

    Connally, who went on to become governor of Texas, was wounded during the assassination of Kennedy by Oswald in 1963.

    In his book "A Journey Amongst the Good and the Great," Mr. Kerr wondered whether Oswald had been gunning for Connally rather than Kennedy that day in Dallas.
     
    , @ben tillman

    Yup, if there’s one thing I learned from the media and public school, it’s that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner..
     
    What about Leon Czolgosz? And what about that line from Richard Linklater's Slacker: "There was such a thing as belief put into action in those days", spoken in front of a newspaper clipping bearing the headline "14 massacred in Oklahoma"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB4xlYKAVCQ at 1:01:00

    I've always wondered whether that was an inspiration for Tim McVeigh, who is the right-wing exception to the rule.

    , @Jack D
    Oswald a right wing nut? He defected to the Soviet Union, fer crissakes.
  8. @Allen
    Wow. You beat the Drudge Report on this one, Steve. I'm going to start coming here for all my news needs.

    Winner winner chicken dinner!

    oops. Meant nothing untoward by that.
    Heh.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Fried?
  9. It’s going to be tougher to find a new chief now. But one experienced police chief recently became available: http://gawker.com/miami-gardens-police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-pros-1688658461

    • Replies: @Lot

    The ad was placed on backpage.com, according to a Broward Sheriff's Office arrest report. Johnson called the listed number, arranging to pay $100 for a half-hour with two prostitutes.
     
    Not a very good cop if he could not detect such an obvious honeypot. $100 for a 3-some? Really? With women who aren't so broken they can figure out how to post an online ad.

    Spitzer was paying $2,000 to $3,000.
  10. OK Steve, feel free to move this one up to comment #1
    (Delete above preface.)

    “Oh that’s terrible, I sincerely hope they pull through for the sake of their families.” (delete quotation marks)

    (Delete below)
    Ok, now your readers can go to their regular post-death snark about Barry, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Michael Brown, Travon Martin, Melissa Harris-Perry, the KKK, liberals, Detroit, Morris Dees, etc., with a clear conscience.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Ok, now your readers can go to their..."
    And you can go check to see if your testicles have descended yet.
    , @iffen
    Those whose name cannot be uttered should not have been left out of your list. Oh! Wait. I see what you did.
    , @schmenz
    Goodness, "Truth" is an extremely tiresome commenter, isn't he?
  11. Truth thinks he’s being edgy and irritating, but in reality he’s just boring.

  12. @Dave Pinsen
    It's going to be tougher to find a new chief now. But one experienced police chief recently became available: http://gawker.com/miami-gardens-police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-pros-1688658461

    The ad was placed on backpage.com, according to a Broward Sheriff’s Office arrest report. Johnson called the listed number, arranging to pay $100 for a half-hour with two prostitutes.

    Not a very good cop if he could not detect such an obvious honeypot. $100 for a 3-some? Really? With women who aren’t so broken they can figure out how to post an online ad.

    Spitzer was paying $2,000 to $3,000.

    • Replies: @anon
    Movies have done a great job convincing the general public that cops are hapless blunderers. Take heart in knowing that the vice squad knew precisely what it was doing!

    They're informational advantage is huge; dwarfs the knowledge/experience of any potential john.

    Former NBA player Greg Anthony was recently caught in a similar sting in DC. Got suspended (or fired) from his broadcasting job.

    , @Stan D Mute
    If you go back a bit further in news archives, the Miami Gardens PD has faced quite a bit of criticism for its treatment of negro offenders. There was a series in the Herald about MGPD rousting negroes from a party store including one who worked at that store. It all kind of fizzled out though because of course the Chief, Johnson, was himself a negro and stood behind his officers' actions.

    Could be exactly what Ferguson needs!

    As for whore pricing, Johnson was hooking up (he thought) with typical negro crackhead hoes while Spitzer was retaining high dollar white "call girls" from an "escort service." I expect the pricing differential would be obvious if we had photos of the women involved.
  13. Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.

    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.
     
    Superior to whom? The sentence is incomplete.

    Clearly you've never heard of the Hispanic paradox.

    Also, Asians live longer than whites and have lower IM rates.
    , @Anonymous

    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.

    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.
     
    Does that reasoning apply also to jews? As in...

    "Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if jews quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non jews.

    "By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — jews enjoy a superior standard of living.

    "How can anyone expect nonjews not be just a little angry at the unfairness of that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.

    "I have four words for them and any other jews who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river."?
    , @Buzz Mohawk

    "By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living."
     
    Because they built it, and they maintain it. That maintenance, by the way, includes enforcement of laws necessary for civilized living.

    If pigs want to fly like eagles, they need to grow some wings. They also need to learn how to obey the laws of flight.


    "How can anyone expect nonwhites not to be just a little angry at the unfairness of that privilege?"
     
    Envy is an ugly thing that often leads to anger. What white Americans enjoy is not a privilege but a benefit of their civil habits and smart work.

    "Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites."
     
    Maybe if non-white guys quit murdering, raping, demeaning, stealing from, and otherwise crapping on whites (and non-whites) they wouldn’t have to receive justice. And maybe pigs will fly someday, but that would require some evolutionary changes.

    BTW I'd rather cry for cops than convenience store theives and neighborhood thugs. Can't you at least find a more sympathetic "victim?" No, you can't, because they are rare, whereas the many innocent white victims of non-white crime go unnoticed. (Just for me, that includes two friends whose cars were stolen in black neighborhoods, and a girlfriend who was raped by a black man.)

    There are exceptions, of course, people on the right tail of every curve. I have known many. But when you apply blanket insult to an entire race as an excuse for the bad behavior of the bulk of another, you generate an argument based on averages.

    , @shlomo wyler
    That's right, only negroes have the privelege of full victims status.
    , @Wally
    Leo:

    Whites and yellows are generally much smarter, more employable, more educated, and more reliable. And do look at violent crime statistics for blacks and browns. The facts are the facts.

    Of course whites & yellows enjoy a superior standard of living, and they should. Hellooo.

    With all the preferences, 'affirmative action', set asides, and generally being lavished with free stuff at others expense, blacks and browns still cannot compete in the workforce. Well, they do have rap & basketball.

    In every country, state, city where blacks have controlling political power, or a majority vote we see no improvement whatsoever. In fact we witness worse conditions ... in every instance.

    They only have themselves to blame.

    Your position doesn't hold water.

    , @anonymous
    I've got some words for you too but they wouldn't pass approval. White America's standard of living is being dragged down into the sewer by the NAMs, that's just a fact.
    ..."just a little angry...". Yeah, that's all blacks have to offer is anger which is why nobody wants to be around them. That and the obscene screaming called rap, the product of an infantile mind, their greatest artistic achievement to date.
    , @jack
    You sound like a cry baby yourself.
    , @jo S'more
    Yeah, people usually enjoy the stuff they create. There is no injustice in enjoying the fruits of your own labor.


    The people who didn't invent, create, build and deliver the good stuff also get to enjoy it. But they hate the people who invented, created, built and deliver it. There is no pleasing the evil.
    , @John Cunningham
    Here's the solution, you commie scrote. a kickstarter fund to buy you a one-way ticket to Cuba, North Korea, or Zimbabwe. you get to choose. next, put 20-ft walls around all the black ghettoes and pull out all the cops. Let the People of Diversity™ and Sons of Obama™ police themselves. problem solved.
    , @Forbes
    Here, have some cheese with that whine...
    , @AnotherDad

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.
     
    Leo you're confused about the wording here. Enjoy!=Create.

    White Americans don't just *enjoy* a superior standard of living we *create* a superior standard of living.

    "Standard of living" is not some sort of "privilege" that just floats down from heaven like manna. (Or from big government like a government statistic.) It is something that people have to *build*--through intelligently applied effort. This is the heart of leftist confusion about the world. Especially this crappy multicultural "leftism"--which has precious little to do with "workers" anymore--that we've had to endure the last 50.

    White communities, white nations are nice because of ... white people. This is by the way not limited exclusively to whites--Japan is nice due to Japanese people, South Korea, Korean people. The relevant characteristic is that higher IQ, more conscientious people *create* nice places to live.

    White people create nice countries ... that non-whites struggle to get *into* not out of. More Africans came to the US in the last decade than during the entire slave trade. I guess signing up to be demeaned? Non-whites come, enjoy the superior standard of living whites have created, as well as superior rule of law, superior public order ... and then whine ... like a spoiled toddler not getting a cookie.

    Your post though nicely encapsulates why we need separate nations.

    Let us whites not burden you non-whites with our presence--or our farms, fields, factories, roads, bridges, technology, science, literature, art, music, volunteer organizations, rule of law ... our "privilege".

    , @jtgw
    If whites are so privileged, how come Asians do better than whites on all sorts of measures? Blacks aren't less successful because of racism, but because their average IQ is one standard deviation lower than that of whites. In the same way, Jews do better than average whites because their IQ is 1std above the white average, not because of some Jewish conspiracy.

    We live in a knowledge economy where IQ is basically all that matters. Blacks aren't going to be more successful until either we create more low-skilled jobs, which we can only do by cracking down on immigrants and protecting American industries from foreign competition, or unless we artificially boost black IQ. As Steve has noted before, one important step for raising black IQ is to encourage black mothers to breastfeed, but this is difficult since there are strong taboos against breastfeeding in the black community. The other way is eugenics, e.g. try to get smart blacks to reproduce more, but that runs into the general problem in our society, which is that smart people reproduce less. We have lots of perverse incentives in our system that aren't going to be easy to fix, so basically blacks are going to have to get used to being lower class for now.
    , @AnAnon
    why do you want to move to the neighborhoods of people that are crapping on you?

    @anon
    whites aren't fleeing ferguson quickly enough for that.

    , @MarkinLA
    The solution is for blacks and Hispanics to move en masse to another place free of the evil whites and create the super advanced society we all know they are capable of doing on their own.
  14. @Desiderius

    further heightened tension in the community by releasing Wilson’s name at the same time as store security video that police said showed Brown stealing a box of cigars and shoving a clerk only a short time before his death
     
    This is unadulterated evil.

    The truth "heightens tensions"?

    "the police said"?

    What does the writer of this piece think the video showed?

    A good first step in fighting this evil is getting a name from the Associated Press - either the writer or the editor who signed off on this article, and publicizing it. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn’t really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for. People also noted that the store hadn’t called in the robbery. (Gosh, I wonder why not.)

    I’d never heard anyone express doubt that the video showed him shoving the clerk, though.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn’t really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for.
     
    You can read the police report at
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-report-michael-brown/14115495/

    Here are a few excerpts:


    I received a call for a stealing in progress ..... I went inside to contact a clerk, who was not identified at that time and a patron, who was not identified at that time, who advised the suspect took cigars and pushed [name whited out] on his way out. .....

    [Name whited out] had just come out of the restroom and returned to the counter, where she observed Brown tell [name whited out] that Brown wanted several boxes of cigars. As [name whited out] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson, who was standing behind Brown. [Name whited out] witnessed [name whited out] tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first.

    That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store.

    [Name whited out] then calls 911. Meanwhile [name whited out] comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. .... [Name whited out] was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him.

    That is when Brown grabbed [name whited out] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack. [Name whited out] backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars.
     

    , @Vendetta
    I have. Brought it up in an argument with someone who insisted that the footage was so grainy we had know way of knowing what it was really showing.
  15. The County Brownies may want to think twice about taking over policing duties in Ferguson. No union in its right mind would send its members into that shit hole.

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    It will be interesting to look at data series for Ferguson, Missouri pre- and post-August 2014 for home sales, home sale prices, criminal arrests and convictions, etc.
  16. @Truth
    OK Steve, feel free to move this one up to comment #1
    (Delete above preface.)

    "Oh that's terrible, I sincerely hope they pull through for the sake of their families." (delete quotation marks)

    (Delete below)
    Ok, now your readers can go to their regular post-death snark about Barry, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Michael Brown, Travon Martin, Melissa Harris-Perry, the KKK, liberals, Detroit, Morris Dees, etc., with a clear conscience.

    “Ok, now your readers can go to their…”
    And you can go check to see if your testicles have descended yet.

    • Replies: @Truth
    LOL, real men can't have empathy for the dead and their families now?
  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Releasing to the public the security camera footage of Michael Brown setting off on his crime spree appears to be the ex-police chief’s unforgivable sin in the eyes of the national press. Who is in charge of The Narrative here, anyway?

    As the CNN black (mulatto) female reporter explained yesterday on AC 360, “With the police releasing the store video it was like victimizing the victim [Brown].”

    • Replies: @Realist
    CNN is just idiotic about covering the 'poor blacks'.....it's wall to wall bullsh!t.

    The luckiest blacks on this planet are the descendants of slaves in this country.

  18. Forget it. Just let blacks police themselves. Win/win.

  19. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    The ad was placed on backpage.com, according to a Broward Sheriff's Office arrest report. Johnson called the listed number, arranging to pay $100 for a half-hour with two prostitutes.
     
    Not a very good cop if he could not detect such an obvious honeypot. $100 for a 3-some? Really? With women who aren't so broken they can figure out how to post an online ad.

    Spitzer was paying $2,000 to $3,000.

    Movies have done a great job convincing the general public that cops are hapless blunderers. Take heart in knowing that the vice squad knew precisely what it was doing!

    They’re informational advantage is huge; dwarfs the knowledge/experience of any potential john.

    Former NBA player Greg Anthony was recently caught in a similar sting in DC. Got suspended (or fired) from his broadcasting job.

    • Replies: @colm
    Yes, unfortunately that is true. Cops are indeed hapless blunderers who shoot at anything they feel like and there are grand juries who acquit them.

    Although ironically Darren appeared to have been better than 75% of the leo on the street. He would have made a great chief if he were not there.
  20. A commentator over at Saker’s blog asks if this is another color revolution.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    A commentator over at Saker’s blog asks if this is another color revolution.
     
    Soros did surreptitiously finance some of the professional protesters, there's been all sorts of different actors involved coming into the area. The whole thing has been rather stagey. The purpose is what though? Perhaps it's like the purported Chinese saying 'kill chicken to show monkey'. They can use Ferguson for it's demonstrative effect, putting it in front of everyone's nose everyday as some sort of lesson plan. Then the federal government can expand it's control of police departments all over the country, all to ensure everyone's rights are observed of course. It's a way of grasping more power unto itself, reaching it's tentacles into everything. It's another turn of the screw in expanding governmental control and power under the guise of protecting people.
  21. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "Ok, now your readers can go to their..."
    And you can go check to see if your testicles have descended yet.

    LOL, real men can’t have empathy for the dead and their families now?

    • Replies: @V Vega

    LOL, real men can’t have empathy for the dead and their families now?
     
    Nice to see you can laugh now, "truth." Maybe you can find "Barbecue Carl" and trade one-liners together.
  22. The grainy cellphone video of the shooting in Ferguson last night doesn’t show much. But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”

    • Replies: @V Vega

    But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”
     
    Also, the trailer trash lady filming it laughed and said to the guy, "You okay, Carl? You're just gonna stand there and barbecue? Jesus!"

    I'm not well versed in psychology, but does that not qualify Carl as a sociopath?

    I hope he gets doxed, followed by plenty of Facebook blowback for his little barbecue.

    Here's the video:

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/59796845/highlight/608891

    , @William Badwhite
    "a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”"

    How did you know he was white? Because he said "months" and not "mumffs"?
  23. @WowJustWow
    Yup, if there's one thing I learned from the media and public school, it's that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner.

    Speaking of Lee Harvey Oswald…

    Today, I happened across an obituary that has a very interesting if ultimately irrelevant anecdote about Oswald that suggests he may have been targeting the Governor of Texas rather than President Kennedy!

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000512&slug=4020518

    Former Annapolis colleague Hank Searls recalls that one morning during the Kennedy administration, Capt. Kerr, then a special counsel to Secretary Connally, opened a letter from Moscow.

    “The writer, one Lee Harvey Oswald, asked that the secretary reverse his Marine Corps less-than-honorable discharge and grant him an `honorable’ one,” Searls said. “But Kerr had never been a rubber-stamp bureaucrat. He learned Oswald had been a `lousy’ Marine. He advised Secretary Connally to turn down the request.”

    Connally, who went on to become governor of Texas, was wounded during the assassination of Kennedy by Oswald in 1963.

    In his book “A Journey Amongst the Good and the Great,” Mr. Kerr wondered whether Oswald had been gunning for Connally rather than Kennedy that day in Dallas.

    • Replies: @Tom
    Occam's Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards. He spent time in the Soviet Union. Etc.

    He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.
    , @Busby
    Sounds wrong. There is a review board that receives and acts on requests for change to the character of a discharge. If memory serves they can upgrade, and often do, all except for those assessed as part of a court martial punishment.
    , @AnotherDad
    Interesting ... but no sale.

    Oswald was a screwup, but was a pretty decent--not awesome, but well about average--in the Marine Corps. (Wikipedia says he earned "Sharpshooter", later downgraded to "Marksman"). He was "lucky", but there's no reason to think he meant anything other that shooting the President.

    The basic deal here: Oswald was a chronically dissatisfied leftist screwup. Never getting his ducks in a row, never himself to blame--always "the system". Cycled through the Soviet Union--an unhappy screwup there too. Starts a family with a young wife--still a screwup. Back home still a screwup--rude, unpleasant. Reads leftist literature and gets jacked up enough to try and kill some general they've named as a "fascist". Still a screwup. Gets involved in communist front group--Fair Play for Cuba. Tries to kill the President ... and gets lucky.... and becomes famous world historical figure. And kills a Dallas police officer trying to escape. Then captured whines about being a patsy.

    Headlines should have read:
    "Chronically dissatisfied blame-the-world-for-my-crappy-life *leftist* murders President Kennedy."

    Instead the media pumped out "City of Hate" and vague musings of rightist conspiracies, followed by 50 years of "right wing conspiracy" nonsense.
  24. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of Lee Harvey Oswald...

    Today, I happened across an obituary that has a very interesting if ultimately irrelevant anecdote about Oswald that suggests he may have been targeting the Governor of Texas rather than President Kennedy!

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000512&slug=4020518

    Former Annapolis colleague Hank Searls recalls that one morning during the Kennedy administration, Capt. Kerr, then a special counsel to Secretary Connally, opened a letter from Moscow.

    "The writer, one Lee Harvey Oswald, asked that the secretary reverse his Marine Corps less-than-honorable discharge and grant him an `honorable' one," Searls said. "But Kerr had never been a rubber-stamp bureaucrat. He learned Oswald had been a `lousy' Marine. He advised Secretary Connally to turn down the request."

    Connally, who went on to become governor of Texas, was wounded during the assassination of Kennedy by Oswald in 1963.

    In his book "A Journey Amongst the Good and the Great," Mr. Kerr wondered whether Oswald had been gunning for Connally rather than Kennedy that day in Dallas.
     

    Occam’s Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards. He spent time in the Soviet Union. Etc.

    He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.

    • Replies: @JSM
    "He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards".

    "He was a nut job who accomplished his mission."

    Did he? Or is he Khan, who managed to kill just about everyone else, but, like a poor marksman, kept missing the target?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    Boy, you're WAY off. All three of Oswald's shots were taken at less than 100 yards. The distances were 175, 240, and 265 feet.
    , @The most deplorable one

    Occam’s Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.
     
    http://www.intuitor.com/student/Oswald%20Problem.php

    I'd call you a moron but I can't be sure which of the three classifications is appropriate.
    , @LondonBob
    Oswald was shot and killed by Jack Rubinstein. Why did he do it answers the question as to who killed JFK. Many false mirrors and diversions in the assassination but not with Oswald's killing.
  25. @David
    The grainy cellphone video of the shooting in Ferguson last night doesn't show much. But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, "Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening."

    But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”

    Also, the trailer trash lady filming it laughed and said to the guy, “You okay, Carl? You’re just gonna stand there and barbecue? Jesus!”

    I’m not well versed in psychology, but does that not qualify Carl as a sociopath?

    I hope he gets doxed, followed by plenty of Facebook blowback for his little barbecue.

    Here’s the video:

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/59796845/highlight/608891

    • Replies: @donut
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM6792xTTfM
    , @WowJustWow
    Anybody else hear this? At 0:49-0:51: "Hey. You're an American hero!"
  26. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    Superior to whom? The sentence is incomplete.

    Clearly you’ve never heard of the Hispanic paradox.

    Also, Asians live longer than whites and have lower IM rates.

  27. “Brooklyn in December”

    Remember 09 the summer of police shootings?

    Happens once in a while, in the past no big deal, remember any of these, I know I thought something was going on then the shootings stopped:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_shootings_of_Oakland_police_officers
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Clemmons
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Timothy_Brenton

    As far as the shooting in NYC, would it have been big news if it occurred in Baltimore. Clever chap knew enough to risk the trip to New York.

  28. If there was a need for more proof that the Republican Party is worthless, notice how not a single one of them has said a word about the Obama campaign against white cops. This should be easy money for an ambitious pol. Call it “the Democrat’s war on cops” and that way you avoid the race issue. It’s an easy way to get attention and it is really hard to attack.

    But, we get silence.

    This will not end well.

  29. Steve, Lindsay Graham calls for a coup against the federal govt over not supporting neocon war spending:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/11/8193751/lindsey-graham-military-coup

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Steve, Lindsay Graham calls for a coup against the federal govt over not supporting neocon war spending:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/11/8193751/lindsey-graham-military-coup
     
    Yeah, but he's a good brother, uncle, and friend.
  30. @David
    The grainy cellphone video of the shooting in Ferguson last night doesn't show much. But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, "Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening."

    “a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.””

    How did you know he was white? Because he said “months” and not “mumffs”?

  31. @Truth
    LOL, real men can't have empathy for the dead and their families now?

    LOL, real men can’t have empathy for the dead and their families now?

    Nice to see you can laugh now, “truth.” Maybe you can find “Barbecue Carl” and trade one-liners together.

  32. @Tom
    Occam's Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards. He spent time in the Soviet Union. Etc.

    He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.

    “He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards”.

    “He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.”

    Did he? Or is he Khan, who managed to kill just about everyone else, but, like a poor marksman, kept missing the target?

  33. @Lot

    The ad was placed on backpage.com, according to a Broward Sheriff's Office arrest report. Johnson called the listed number, arranging to pay $100 for a half-hour with two prostitutes.
     
    Not a very good cop if he could not detect such an obvious honeypot. $100 for a 3-some? Really? With women who aren't so broken they can figure out how to post an online ad.

    Spitzer was paying $2,000 to $3,000.

    If you go back a bit further in news archives, the Miami Gardens PD has faced quite a bit of criticism for its treatment of negro offenders. There was a series in the Herald about MGPD rousting negroes from a party store including one who worked at that store. It all kind of fizzled out though because of course the Chief, Johnson, was himself a negro and stood behind his officers’ actions.

    Could be exactly what Ferguson needs!

    As for whore pricing, Johnson was hooking up (he thought) with typical negro crackhead hoes while Spitzer was retaining high dollar white “call girls” from an “escort service.” I expect the pricing differential would be obvious if we had photos of the women involved.

  34. @Tom
    Occam's Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards. He spent time in the Soviet Union. Etc.

    He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.

    He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    Boy, you’re WAY off. All three of Oswald’s shots were taken at less than 100 yards. The distances were 175, 240, and 265 feet.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    A friend of mine once visited the Texas School Depository. He was surprised how close it was. "Oswald was right on top of him," he told me.
    , @Alfa158
    A cable documentary recently aired featuring one of Kennedy's Secret Service agents visiting Dealey Plaza. He stood in the window Oswald fired from and was horrified by what an easy shot it was; short range, and the limousine moving at an angle straight away from the shooter. He had only been in the Plaza before at street level and it only now sank in that they had in effect driven the President into a shooting gallery.
    , @Nathan Wartooth
    There is a game called JFK: Reloaded that you can download for free. The point of the game is to recreate the JFK assassination and prove once and for all that there was no conspiracy. There was a prize for the person who got closest to recreating the scene.

    I played it over 10 years ago and yeah, he wasn't all that far away.

    For any of those curious, you can find it through a simple Google search.
    , @Tom
    Ok, fine should have googled that before posting. But you make my point nonetheless.
  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.

    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    Does that reasoning apply also to jews? As in…

    “Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if jews quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non jews.

    “By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — jews enjoy a superior standard of living.

    “How can anyone expect nonjews not be just a little angry at the unfairness of that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.

    “I have four words for them and any other jews who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.”?

  36. 100% off topic

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/opinion/when-liberals-blew-it.html?_r=0
    When Liberals Blew It by Nicholas Kristof
    MARCH 11, 2015

    Nicky feints to the right

  37. @keypusher
    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn't really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for. People also noted that the store hadn't called in the robbery. (Gosh, I wonder why not.)

    I'd never heard anyone express doubt that the video showed him shoving the clerk, though.

    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn’t really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for.

    You can read the police report at
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-report-michael-brown/14115495/

    Here are a few excerpts:

    I received a call for a stealing in progress ….. I went inside to contact a clerk, who was not identified at that time and a patron, who was not identified at that time, who advised the suspect took cigars and pushed [name whited out] on his way out. …..

    [Name whited out] had just come out of the restroom and returned to the counter, where she observed Brown tell [name whited out] that Brown wanted several boxes of cigars. As [name whited out] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson, who was standing behind Brown. [Name whited out] witnessed [name whited out] tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first.

    That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store.

    [Name whited out] then calls 911. Meanwhile [name whited out] comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. …. [Name whited out] was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him.

    That is when Brown grabbed [name whited out] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack. [Name whited out] backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester
    The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars.

    Therefore, I will again quote the police report, this time filling in the "[name whited out]" blanks to improve the clarity:


    I received a call for a stealing in progress ….. I went inside to contact a clerk, who was not identified at that time and a patron, who was not identified at that time, who advised the suspect took cigars and pushed [the clerk] on his way out. …..

    [The patron] had just come out of the restroom and returned to the counter, where she observed Brown tell [the clerk] that Brown wanted several boxes of cigars. As [the clerk] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson, who was standing behind Brown. [The patron] witnessed [the clerk] tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first.

    That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store.

    [The patron] then calls 911. Meanwhile [the clerk] comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. …. [The clerk] was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him.

    That is when Brown grabbed [the clerk] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack. [The clerk] backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars.
     

  38. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    “By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.”

    Because they built it, and they maintain it. That maintenance, by the way, includes enforcement of laws necessary for civilized living.

    If pigs want to fly like eagles, they need to grow some wings. They also need to learn how to obey the laws of flight.

    “How can anyone expect nonwhites not to be just a little angry at the unfairness of that privilege?”

    Envy is an ugly thing that often leads to anger. What white Americans enjoy is not a privilege but a benefit of their civil habits and smart work.

    “Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.”

    Maybe if non-white guys quit murdering, raping, demeaning, stealing from, and otherwise crapping on whites (and non-whites) they wouldn’t have to receive justice. And maybe pigs will fly someday, but that would require some evolutionary changes.

    BTW I’d rather cry for cops than convenience store theives and neighborhood thugs. Can’t you at least find a more sympathetic “victim?” No, you can’t, because they are rare, whereas the many innocent white victims of non-white crime go unnoticed. (Just for me, that includes two friends whose cars were stolen in black neighborhoods, and a girlfriend who was raped by a black man.)

    There are exceptions, of course, people on the right tail of every curve. I have known many. But when you apply blanket insult to an entire race as an excuse for the bad behavior of the bulk of another, you generate an argument based on averages.

    • Replies: @A Name or Pseudonymic Handle
    Well said mate.
  39. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    That’s right, only negroes have the privelege of full victims status.

  40. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    Noam Chomsky…now married to a women over 40 years younger then himself….said on You Tube that the lesson of Ferguson is that 1)”The US is a very racist society and 2) Ferguson must be used to build a larger antiracist and Social Justice Movement”…sounds like an agitation of racial violence against White Americans to me

    Noam Chomsky…nice second home on Martha’s Vineyard.

  41. @Truth
    OK Steve, feel free to move this one up to comment #1
    (Delete above preface.)

    "Oh that's terrible, I sincerely hope they pull through for the sake of their families." (delete quotation marks)

    (Delete below)
    Ok, now your readers can go to their regular post-death snark about Barry, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Michael Brown, Travon Martin, Melissa Harris-Perry, the KKK, liberals, Detroit, Morris Dees, etc., with a clear conscience.

    Those whose name cannot be uttered should not have been left out of your list. Oh! Wait. I see what you did.

  42. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Tom
    Occam's Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards. He spent time in the Soviet Union. Etc.

    He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.

    Occam’s Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    http://www.intuitor.com/student/Oswald%20Problem.php

    I’d call you a moron but I can’t be sure which of the three classifications is appropriate.

  43. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website
    @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    Leo:

    Whites and yellows are generally much smarter, more employable, more educated, and more reliable. And do look at violent crime statistics for blacks and browns. The facts are the facts.

    Of course whites & yellows enjoy a superior standard of living, and they should. Hellooo.

    With all the preferences, ‘affirmative action’, set asides, and generally being lavished with free stuff at others expense, blacks and browns still cannot compete in the workforce. Well, they do have rap & basketball.

    In every country, state, city where blacks have controlling political power, or a majority vote we see no improvement whatsoever. In fact we witness worse conditions … in every instance.

    They only have themselves to blame.

    Your position doesn’t hold water.

  44. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    I’ve got some words for you too but they wouldn’t pass approval. White America’s standard of living is being dragged down into the sewer by the NAMs, that’s just a fact.
    …”just a little angry…”. Yeah, that’s all blacks have to offer is anger which is why nobody wants to be around them. That and the obscene screaming called rap, the product of an infantile mind, their greatest artistic achievement to date.

  45. If Steve sounds a little more concerned as these conflicts between the police and the criminal element rise, well I don’t blame him.

    If the police go back to the donut shops with the attitude of “let them call a crackhead for help” because of enablers like Troof up there and Eric Holder, its going to be fucking ugly.

  46. @Anonymous
    This is *exactly* what the wanky left media, who stirred the pot nonstop, wanted.
    Make no mistake, they wanted this result, and are ecstatically, orgiastically happy that two cops have been shot. If the cops actually died then the wanky left would be ejaculating at the news.
    You think I'm exaggerating or lying for effect? No.

    Anonymous says:

    March 12, 2015 at 7:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This is *exactly* what the wanky left media, who stirred the pot nonstop, wanted.
    Make no mistake, they wanted this result, and are ecstatically, orgiastically happy that two cops have been shot. If the cops actually died then the wanky left would be ejaculating at the news.
    You think I’m exaggerating or lying for effect? No.

    I disagree. The corporate does indeed stir the race war pot, but the corporate media and “the powers that be” make war on whites and white males in particular.

    Part of the way they wage that war is via the police. The police are on their side. Not the side of whites.

    The police protect the rich and the powerful and the corporations, not us whites. The police protect the nonwhites and immigrants, aka the economic footsoldiers of the corporations.

    So, no, the media does not want cops attacked. KKK members and white separatists? Sure.

    That is why I have little sympathy for the police in this matter. They aint my protectors.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    No doubt about it. The Suffolk County Police Department was chomping at the bit to arrest the very peacefull Sachem Quality of Life Protestors. The head of Sachem Quality of Life...a very very brave Italian American Woman.....put her foot down on the street from the sidewalk for a few seconds and she was immediately arrested for not protesting in the restricted protest area. She could have gone to jail...judge threw the case out eventually.
  47. @Harry Baldwin
    He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    Boy, you're WAY off. All three of Oswald's shots were taken at less than 100 yards. The distances were 175, 240, and 265 feet.

    A friend of mine once visited the Texas School Depository. He was surprised how close it was. “Oswald was right on top of him,” he told me.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I also visited the Texas School Depository and had the same reaction. When you see the view from the window on tv, the lensing makes the distance look longer than it is. (Kind of like when you visit the Capitol and see how small and cramped the house and senate chambers actually are.)
  48. The cops should form private armed defense units made up of civilian volunteers and start hunting black/SJW terrorists.

    • Replies: @leftist conservative

    The cops should form private armed defense units made up of civilian volunteers and start hunting black/SJW terrorists.

     

    They are not terrorists, but tools. Tools of the rich and powerful and the large corporations. They are ideological and economic weapons wielded by The Powers That Be.


    Don't hate the playa; hate the game.

    But before you can hate the game, you gotta know what the game really is.

  49. The SJW and black readership of Huffington Post are celebrating as we speak. For real

  50. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:

    But in outline it sure is reminiscent of what happened in Brooklyn in December.

    Well, no. In Brooklyn the cops were shot at point blank range by a mentally unstable man.

    Now, I know next to nothing about firearms, but this deal looks to me like the work of a sniper. How far away was the shooter? Even if he was lucky in shooting his intended victims there seems to be a certain amount of skill involved in this. I do not believe that he fits the profile of the guy who shot the Brooklyn cops. I think he is a much scarier character.

    JMO.

    PS Just looked up this:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/12/392470720/two-police-officers-shot-outside-the-ferguson-police-department

    “Belmar said that when shots were fired last night, the officers saw muzzle flashes that were estimated to be about 125 yards away.”

    One cop shot in the shoulder, one in the face, from 125 yards. This takes much more skill than what happened in Brooklyn.

  51. As Plato said, in the late stages of a democracy the leader emerges from and aligns himself with the underclass thugs (what he calls the drones) who produce the leader who goes on to become a tyrant.

  52. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hunsdon
    A commentator over at Saker's blog asks if this is another color revolution.

    A commentator over at Saker’s blog asks if this is another color revolution.

    Soros did surreptitiously finance some of the professional protesters, there’s been all sorts of different actors involved coming into the area. The whole thing has been rather stagey. The purpose is what though? Perhaps it’s like the purported Chinese saying ‘kill chicken to show monkey’. They can use Ferguson for it’s demonstrative effect, putting it in front of everyone’s nose everyday as some sort of lesson plan. Then the federal government can expand it’s control of police departments all over the country, all to ensure everyone’s rights are observed of course. It’s a way of grasping more power unto itself, reaching it’s tentacles into everything. It’s another turn of the screw in expanding governmental control and power under the guise of protecting people.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    putting it in front of everyone’s nose everyday
     
    "Everyday" is an adjective meaning "common"... "every day"
  53. @Harry Baldwin
    He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    Boy, you're WAY off. All three of Oswald's shots were taken at less than 100 yards. The distances were 175, 240, and 265 feet.

    A cable documentary recently aired featuring one of Kennedy’s Secret Service agents visiting Dealey Plaza. He stood in the window Oswald fired from and was horrified by what an easy shot it was; short range, and the limousine moving at an angle straight away from the shooter. He had only been in the Plaza before at street level and it only now sank in that they had in effect driven the President into a shooting gallery.

  54. Just being at the protest is a violation, if my memory serves me correctly, of Derb’s Rule #10d: don’t go where blacks are likely to congregate. Even black football players from Ole Miss learned that lesson recently!

    Troofie, empathy for blacks is like cocaine; seeing the same old things from your brothers and sisters each and every time, I need a real sob story to just move the needle on my empathy meter. I just don’t get the same empathy high when another thug’s mother and baby daddy and stepfather and boyfriend and booty-call-gone-wrong sperm donor wailing over the death of their future Fields Medal winner. I need stronger stuff.

    I’ve had friends who actually still care about the NBA tell me that the complexion of the fans at Boston Garden has changed over the past few years. A stabbing at a Celtics game last night proves it’s true.

    • Replies: @Truth
    " I just don’t get the same empathy high when another thug’s mother and baby daddy and stepfather and boyfriend and booty-call-gone-wrong sperm donor wailing over the death of their future Fields Medal winner. I need stronger stuff."

    I guess dead white peace officers isn't strong enough?
  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s something from Joel Pollack at Breitbart sounding very iSteve-ish regarding the horrific Ferguson mess:

    “The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations, based on the faulty notion that a city that enforces traffic tickets vigorously as a means of raising revenue is inherently racist. (By that standard, my own ultra-progressive town of Santa Monica, California would be akin to a Ku Klux Klan headquarters.)

    “Racist emails discovered from a few employees implicated those individuals alone–but Obama and Holder wanted more. They, and serial inciter Al Sharpton, wanted the humiliation of the town, wanted the division of America, wanted it to be clear that white public officials could never represent a black population, wanted middle America to know that the federal government could nullify self-government at a whim.

    “On the basis of the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ lie, they let black businesses in Ferguson be torched and sewed rage across the country that took the lives of two police officers in New York.”

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    “The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations..."
     
    "Your guilt has been determined. This is merely a sentencing hearing..."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-dJPoSlPfU

    Death or exile?
  56. Just saw the video from the Celtics game fracas. It was two white kids of the Southie/Charlestown ilk doing their best Paul Pierce impressions. Must be all those free tickets Dunkin’ Donuts gives away.

    Ah, Boston. Where white people still stab each other.

  57. “Two Cops Shot in Ferguson”

    Surprise, surprise, surprise!

  58. @keypusher
    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn't really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for. People also noted that the store hadn't called in the robbery. (Gosh, I wonder why not.)

    I'd never heard anyone express doubt that the video showed him shoving the clerk, though.

    I have. Brought it up in an argument with someone who insisted that the footage was so grainy we had know way of knowing what it was really showing.

  59. @Anonymous

    Releasing to the public the security camera footage of Michael Brown setting off on his crime spree appears to be the ex-police chief’s unforgivable sin in the eyes of the national press. Who is in charge of The Narrative here, anyway?
     
    As the CNN black (mulatto) female reporter explained yesterday on AC 360, "With the police releasing the store video it was like victimizing the victim [Brown]."

    CNN is just idiotic about covering the ‘poor blacks’…..it’s wall to wall bullsh!t.

    The luckiest blacks on this planet are the descendants of slaves in this country.

  60. I don’t involve myself with Twitter, but I’m sure the ooking has begun already.

  61. Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA agent who was set up to take the fall. He was a “sheep dipped” patsy.

    Watch this video below.

  62. Ferguson needs to discover two basic things. Don’t issue permits for a protest, and if they show up anyway, rediscover what teargas does. In this day and age, liberals and blacks are just wimpy enough they’ll quit if they get a snootful of teargas.

  63. “Witnesses reported hearing as many as four shots and seeing the flash of a muzzle about 125 yards away from the police, but no arrests had been made as of Belmar’s briefing. Police believe the shooter used a handgun, he said.”

    Fox News

    125 yards is a long way for a handgun. even with a long gun, the individual would have to know how to shoot.

    I would bet on the handgun as wrong in this case. Whoever did it had training or practice. It wasn’t just a guy with a grudge. If they don’t get the shooter, it will not get any easier. Although someone might turn him in for a reward.

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    "Witnesses reported hearing as many as four shots and seeing the flash of a muzzle about 125 yards away from the police..."

    Were these the same witnesses that saw Mike Brown hold his hands up to surrender to Officer Wilson?
  64. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    You sound like a cry baby yourself.

  65. The cops should sue Eric Holder.

  66. Message from Mothership to Megaphone:

    Effective immediately, Ferguson is no longer the most important place in the world!

    Await further instructions!

  67. @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Probably a KKK false flag.

    Black militants on social media are already claiming that, though they blame the cops, not the KKK.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    "Black militants on social media are already claiming that, though they blame the cops, not the KKK."

    Well, they would, wouldn't they?
  68. Victory riots. That’s what these things almost always are. That’s what this thing was last night.

    Someone made me notice something that at first slipped by me. The two cop victims are a St. Louis County PD officer and a Webster Groves PD officer, neither one Ferguson PD. If the FPD goes out of business, the SLCPD will take over primary patrol jurisdiction. What it proves is that the FPD going out of business isn’t going to make things any better. The local black undertow is so amped up on agitprop and energy and hate that they’re going to be hostile to any cops in the area.

    It might take the Marines.

    • Replies: @Melendwyr
    Why send in the Marines? Why send in anyone?

    If all the cops in Ferguson relocate, and cops from other jurisdictions refuse to patrol there, people will have an opportunity to get just what they wanted: freedom from 'racist' policing.

    This is a potential gold mine.
  69. @Harry Baldwin
    He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    Boy, you're WAY off. All three of Oswald's shots were taken at less than 100 yards. The distances were 175, 240, and 265 feet.

    There is a game called JFK: Reloaded that you can download for free. The point of the game is to recreate the JFK assassination and prove once and for all that there was no conspiracy. There was a prize for the person who got closest to recreating the scene.

    I played it over 10 years ago and yeah, he wasn’t all that far away.

    For any of those curious, you can find it through a simple Google search.

  70. @V Vega

    But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”
     
    Also, the trailer trash lady filming it laughed and said to the guy, "You okay, Carl? You're just gonna stand there and barbecue? Jesus!"

    I'm not well versed in psychology, but does that not qualify Carl as a sociopath?

    I hope he gets doxed, followed by plenty of Facebook blowback for his little barbecue.

    Here's the video:

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/59796845/highlight/608891

  71. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    Yeah, people usually enjoy the stuff they create. There is no injustice in enjoying the fruits of your own labor.

    The people who didn’t invent, create, build and deliver the good stuff also get to enjoy it. But they hate the people who invented, created, built and deliver it. There is no pleasing the evil.

  72. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    Here’s the solution, you commie scrote. a kickstarter fund to buy you a one-way ticket to Cuba, North Korea, or Zimbabwe. you get to choose. next, put 20-ft walls around all the black ghettoes and pull out all the cops. Let the People of Diversity™ and Sons of Obama™ police themselves. problem solved.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I read about the shooting last night. I noted the phrases “unarmed black teenager”, “decided not to indict”, “African American teen was unarmed”, and “Wilson’s actions do not constitute prosecutable violations”.

    At this point, wouldn’t it be reasonable to use the phrase “cleared of any wrongdoing” or something similar? The narrative collapsed. The town rioted. Now they are protesting and shooting cops because the police chief resigns. I am now unable to imagine an atrocity, other than targeting reporters, that the residents of Ferguson could commit that would turn the MSM against them and their beatified Gentle Giant.

  74. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    Here, have some cheese with that whine…

  75. Broadly, this is the Faustian Bargain the Kennedys made with Black voters. Black voters like high crime, or more precisely they like their relatives arrested and jailed less than they object to being victimized: their relatives murdered and crippled, etc. After all, if “Black Lives Mattered” then Black voters would be willing to have every Black adult stopped and frisked every day to keep weapons off the hands of youngish Black men and thus cut the Black murder rate in half or less. If “Black Lives Mattered” then Black voters would back high prison terms for criminal offenses on the theory that criminal relatives are better in prison than dead; and their non-criminal relatives deserve not to be shot (by other Black men).

    No, what the Ferguson thing is really is Black people demanding a total anarchy — no rules other than that of fear on the street, whose gang is the most vicious and intimidating at any one time. White, mostly Catholic politicians have courted Black voters for concentrated voting blocs and the “moral edge” as the original sin of Whiteness and racial redemption of Black people replaced Christianity as the religion of the West.

    And there is no going back. Ferguson, is going to become another mini-Detroit. That’s its destiny. With total anarchy in the streets, resembling Fallujah or Ramadi under ISIS. But its not only Ferguson. If Karen Lewis had not been diagnosed with a Brain Tumor she would have easily trounced Rahm Emmanuel. As it is, Emmanuel is in a tight run-off with Chuy Garcia, and its likely Blacks won’t vote for Rahm even with Obama supporting his former Chief of Staff. NYC is on the way too, with de Blasio encouraging the sort of cop-ambush that left two dead there. Warmer weather will simply heat things up — already there has been a beat-down in a McDonald’s in Brooklyn of a Black fifteen year old girl by … other Black girls, caught on cell phone cameras and posted on the internet. Imagine the scene when its warm outside.

    You can’t have both Muslims and Jews in Europe (or anywhere else). Muslims are Muslims — they don’t tolerate Jews (even secular ones) and tend to do things like slaughter Jews in Synagoges, supermarkets, or cartoonists in offices. You similarly can’t have Black voters as the critical center of the ruling Party and not have eventually Black dominated anarchy — because Black voters want violence more than they want safety and will not confront their own relatives responsibility for the misery inflicted upon Black people daily. White (cops) are just a scapegoat.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    You can’t have both Muslims and Jews in Europe (or anywhere else). Muslims are Muslims — they don’t tolerate Jews (even secular ones) and tend to do things like slaughter Jews in Synagoges, supermarkets, or cartoonists in offices.
     
    Right, because when they get together in Europe it is usually to rule over the locals. Why else would the Ottomans have imported them?
  76. I just read earlier–I’m trying to find the link–that stated the police thought the shooter fired from a hilltop 220 yards away. At night, 220 yards away, four shots, hitting two victims over the top of the crowd, reads as targeted, i.e. assassination attempt.

    Not accidental or random, and experienced shooter with a good rifle. Shots that hit four protesters in the back would’ve made for different reporting…

  77. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    Leo you’re confused about the wording here. Enjoy!=Create.

    White Americans don’t just *enjoy* a superior standard of living we *create* a superior standard of living.

    “Standard of living” is not some sort of “privilege” that just floats down from heaven like manna. (Or from big government like a government statistic.) It is something that people have to *build*–through intelligently applied effort. This is the heart of leftist confusion about the world. Especially this crappy multicultural “leftism”–which has precious little to do with “workers” anymore–that we’ve had to endure the last 50.

    White communities, white nations are nice because of … white people. This is by the way not limited exclusively to whites–Japan is nice due to Japanese people, South Korea, Korean people. The relevant characteristic is that higher IQ, more conscientious people *create* nice places to live.

    White people create nice countries … that non-whites struggle to get *into* not out of. More Africans came to the US in the last decade than during the entire slave trade. I guess signing up to be demeaned? Non-whites come, enjoy the superior standard of living whites have created, as well as superior rule of law, superior public order … and then whine … like a spoiled toddler not getting a cookie.

    Your post though nicely encapsulates why we need separate nations.

    Let us whites not burden you non-whites with our presence–or our farms, fields, factories, roads, bridges, technology, science, literature, art, music, volunteer organizations, rule of law … our “privilege”.

  78. Ok, now your readers can go to their regular post-death snark

    Oh, how unthivilized!

    We should be printing t-shirts with the names and faces of the deceased and looting convenience stores instead.

  79. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    If whites are so privileged, how come Asians do better than whites on all sorts of measures? Blacks aren’t less successful because of racism, but because their average IQ is one standard deviation lower than that of whites. In the same way, Jews do better than average whites because their IQ is 1std above the white average, not because of some Jewish conspiracy.

    We live in a knowledge economy where IQ is basically all that matters. Blacks aren’t going to be more successful until either we create more low-skilled jobs, which we can only do by cracking down on immigrants and protecting American industries from foreign competition, or unless we artificially boost black IQ. As Steve has noted before, one important step for raising black IQ is to encourage black mothers to breastfeed, but this is difficult since there are strong taboos against breastfeeding in the black community. The other way is eugenics, e.g. try to get smart blacks to reproduce more, but that runs into the general problem in our society, which is that smart people reproduce less. We have lots of perverse incentives in our system that aren’t going to be easy to fix, so basically blacks are going to have to get used to being lower class for now.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    "IQ is basically all that matters"

    Lol the battlecry of the code monkey who was "smart but lazy" in HS.

    I see this shibboleth on alt right sites who can't get over that the g score isnt the end all be all of a person's potential.

    The future belongs to the smart, charismatic, driven people, as it always has. Having an idea of how small unit tactics works and being able to apply them will probably count more in this brave new world than an MBA.
  80. A lot of the political energy in this country is being expended decrying being ruled by the 1% and I’d agree but they are looking at the wrong end of the socio economic ladder. Increasingly it is the bottom 1% that wields the most influence in this country. The ex-con prison culture is becoming dominant. Tattoos, pants hanging half way down, rap music, gangs. These are all manifestations of prison life not Wall St and I don’t see many young people trying to dress like Kyle Bass, Ray Dalio or Jamie Dimon even when they can afford it as look at our NFL/NBA stars who are indistinguishable from ex-cons with the rare exceptions of a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson ( and Wilson was mocked for being too ‘clean cut’.

    Now Eric Holder wants to adopt what can only be called the inmate ‘Dream Act’ or as he calls it the doctrine of ‘disparate impact’. Police are no longer allowed to ‘notice’ that a tattooed, dirty man in a wife beater loitering on the street is a ‘tattooed dirty man in a wife beater loitering on the street’ and ignore him. Pull a car load of young black men in a junk car with a tail light out should only result in a request to have the tail light fixed and not worry that there maybe a handgun or two under the seat or narcotics in the trunk.

  81. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of Lee Harvey Oswald...

    Today, I happened across an obituary that has a very interesting if ultimately irrelevant anecdote about Oswald that suggests he may have been targeting the Governor of Texas rather than President Kennedy!

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000512&slug=4020518

    Former Annapolis colleague Hank Searls recalls that one morning during the Kennedy administration, Capt. Kerr, then a special counsel to Secretary Connally, opened a letter from Moscow.

    "The writer, one Lee Harvey Oswald, asked that the secretary reverse his Marine Corps less-than-honorable discharge and grant him an `honorable' one," Searls said. "But Kerr had never been a rubber-stamp bureaucrat. He learned Oswald had been a `lousy' Marine. He advised Secretary Connally to turn down the request."

    Connally, who went on to become governor of Texas, was wounded during the assassination of Kennedy by Oswald in 1963.

    In his book "A Journey Amongst the Good and the Great," Mr. Kerr wondered whether Oswald had been gunning for Connally rather than Kennedy that day in Dallas.
     

    Sounds wrong. There is a review board that receives and acts on requests for change to the character of a discharge. If memory serves they can upgrade, and often do, all except for those assessed as part of a court martial punishment.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    With regard to using the web to investigate public laws, I am not savvy enough to come up with a clear answer. However, it appears to me that the laws and rules governing discharge review were in flux in the early 1960s, so I think it's possible that the current Navy Discharge Review Board system dates from a time after Oswald would have been making such a request.

    Also, I don't know about the procedures for the Review Boards, but as the NDRB operates under the auspices of the Secretary of the Navy, it's possible that the NDRB makes a decision after receiving a recommendation from the Secretary.

    BTW, I didn't intend to start a Kennedy assassination thread. As I mentioned, ultimately irrelevant anecdote.
  82. anon • Disclaimer says:

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living

    .

    If you import millions of unskilled workers to drive down wages then their average income etc will obviously be lower. Lying with averages is still lying.

    (Also your attempt to sound more “street” didn’t work.)

    .

    Forget it. Just let blacks police themselves. Win/win.

    That’s what has been happening for 50 years. It’s not win/win because the gang culture that results literally breeds psychopaths.

    .

    A commentator over at Saker’s blog asks if this is another color revolution.

    Yes, sounds crazy but the media’s obsession with whipping this up for so long without an election coming up does seem very strange.

    Probably crazy talk but I can’t see cui bono from all this. The only thing I can think of that is even vaguely plausible is the banksters trying to get martial law in place before the economy melts down for real.

    If so then I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be an ex-cop working for an oligarch’s NGO as they’ve always been the favored tools for this kind of work.

  83. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of Lee Harvey Oswald...

    Today, I happened across an obituary that has a very interesting if ultimately irrelevant anecdote about Oswald that suggests he may have been targeting the Governor of Texas rather than President Kennedy!

    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000512&slug=4020518

    Former Annapolis colleague Hank Searls recalls that one morning during the Kennedy administration, Capt. Kerr, then a special counsel to Secretary Connally, opened a letter from Moscow.

    "The writer, one Lee Harvey Oswald, asked that the secretary reverse his Marine Corps less-than-honorable discharge and grant him an `honorable' one," Searls said. "But Kerr had never been a rubber-stamp bureaucrat. He learned Oswald had been a `lousy' Marine. He advised Secretary Connally to turn down the request."

    Connally, who went on to become governor of Texas, was wounded during the assassination of Kennedy by Oswald in 1963.

    In his book "A Journey Amongst the Good and the Great," Mr. Kerr wondered whether Oswald had been gunning for Connally rather than Kennedy that day in Dallas.
     

    Interesting … but no sale.

    Oswald was a screwup, but was a pretty decent–not awesome, but well about average–in the Marine Corps. (Wikipedia says he earned “Sharpshooter”, later downgraded to “Marksman”). He was “lucky”, but there’s no reason to think he meant anything other that shooting the President.

    The basic deal here: Oswald was a chronically dissatisfied leftist screwup. Never getting his ducks in a row, never himself to blame–always “the system”. Cycled through the Soviet Union–an unhappy screwup there too. Starts a family with a young wife–still a screwup. Back home still a screwup–rude, unpleasant. Reads leftist literature and gets jacked up enough to try and kill some general they’ve named as a “fascist”. Still a screwup. Gets involved in communist front group–Fair Play for Cuba. Tries to kill the President … and gets lucky…. and becomes famous world historical figure. And kills a Dallas police officer trying to escape. Then captured whines about being a patsy.

    Headlines should have read:
    “Chronically dissatisfied blame-the-world-for-my-crappy-life *leftist* murders President Kennedy.”

    Instead the media pumped out “City of Hate” and vague musings of rightist conspiracies, followed by 50 years of “right wing conspiracy” nonsense.

  84. @Anonymous
    The County Brownies may want to think twice about taking over policing duties in Ferguson. No union in its right mind would send its members into that shit hole.

    It will be interesting to look at data series for Ferguson, Missouri pre- and post-August 2014 for home sales, home sale prices, criminal arrests and convictions, etc.

  85. @Harry Baldwin
    He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards.

    Boy, you're WAY off. All three of Oswald's shots were taken at less than 100 yards. The distances were 175, 240, and 265 feet.

    Ok, fine should have googled that before posting. But you make my point nonetheless.

  86. So I went to the St Louis Dispatch to read their stories on the cop shooting and the larger story is the one about a six year old boy being shot to death. The boy was riding in a mini van with his family when a car pulled alongside and some one in the car opened fire. The driver of the mini van returned fire during a rolling gun battle. The boy was black, no mention of the race of the gunman in the car. No protest is planned for that shooting, but I am pretty sure that a memorial with candles and stuffed animals will soon be erected.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Please never ever ever visit the St Louis Post Dispatch website!!!!

    You can find out all you need to know about what is going on in Ferguson by going to the Daily MailOnline or SBPDL or of course UNZ.

    Warren Buffet is the financial sugar daddy for Lee Enterprises, the Post-Dispatch's holding company.

    The whole Ferguson atrocity is being stage managed by Buffet, Soros, Holder, Sharpton, NBP Party, CPUSA.....

    Don't watch CNN or MSNBC, instead password lock all their channels and call your cable company and tell them you have done so.

  87. @Truth
    OK Steve, feel free to move this one up to comment #1
    (Delete above preface.)

    "Oh that's terrible, I sincerely hope they pull through for the sake of their families." (delete quotation marks)

    (Delete below)
    Ok, now your readers can go to their regular post-death snark about Barry, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Michael Brown, Travon Martin, Melissa Harris-Perry, the KKK, liberals, Detroit, Morris Dees, etc., with a clear conscience.

    Goodness, “Truth” is an extremely tiresome commenter, isn’t he?

    • Replies: @Truth
    TireLESS. But you were close.
  88. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    why do you want to move to the neighborhoods of people that are crapping on you?


    whites aren’t fleeing ferguson quickly enough for that.

  89. @countenance
    Black militants on social media are already claiming that, though they blame the cops, not the KKK.

    “Black militants on social media are already claiming that, though they blame the cops, not the KKK.”

    Well, they would, wouldn’t they?

  90. @QB
    Winner winner chicken dinner!
    ...
    oops. Meant nothing untoward by that.
    Heh.

    Fried?

  91. “Black militants on social media are already claiming that, though they blame the cops, not the KKK.”

    To most African Americans, the cops and the KKK are practically the same thing. They do not see a distinction between the two because in their eyes they both violently oppress the African American community.

  92. @Whiskey
    Broadly, this is the Faustian Bargain the Kennedys made with Black voters. Black voters like high crime, or more precisely they like their relatives arrested and jailed less than they object to being victimized: their relatives murdered and crippled, etc. After all, if "Black Lives Mattered" then Black voters would be willing to have every Black adult stopped and frisked every day to keep weapons off the hands of youngish Black men and thus cut the Black murder rate in half or less. If "Black Lives Mattered" then Black voters would back high prison terms for criminal offenses on the theory that criminal relatives are better in prison than dead; and their non-criminal relatives deserve not to be shot (by other Black men).

    No, what the Ferguson thing is really is Black people demanding a total anarchy -- no rules other than that of fear on the street, whose gang is the most vicious and intimidating at any one time. White, mostly Catholic politicians have courted Black voters for concentrated voting blocs and the "moral edge" as the original sin of Whiteness and racial redemption of Black people replaced Christianity as the religion of the West.

    And there is no going back. Ferguson, is going to become another mini-Detroit. That's its destiny. With total anarchy in the streets, resembling Fallujah or Ramadi under ISIS. But its not only Ferguson. If Karen Lewis had not been diagnosed with a Brain Tumor she would have easily trounced Rahm Emmanuel. As it is, Emmanuel is in a tight run-off with Chuy Garcia, and its likely Blacks won't vote for Rahm even with Obama supporting his former Chief of Staff. NYC is on the way too, with de Blasio encouraging the sort of cop-ambush that left two dead there. Warmer weather will simply heat things up -- already there has been a beat-down in a McDonald's in Brooklyn of a Black fifteen year old girl by ... other Black girls, caught on cell phone cameras and posted on the internet. Imagine the scene when its warm outside.

    You can't have both Muslims and Jews in Europe (or anywhere else). Muslims are Muslims -- they don't tolerate Jews (even secular ones) and tend to do things like slaughter Jews in Synagoges, supermarkets, or cartoonists in offices. You similarly can't have Black voters as the critical center of the ruling Party and not have eventually Black dominated anarchy -- because Black voters want violence more than they want safety and will not confront their own relatives responsibility for the misery inflicted upon Black people daily. White (cops) are just a scapegoat.

    You can’t have both Muslims and Jews in Europe (or anywhere else). Muslims are Muslims — they don’t tolerate Jews (even secular ones) and tend to do things like slaughter Jews in Synagoges, supermarkets, or cartoonists in offices.

    Right, because when they get together in Europe it is usually to rule over the locals. Why else would the Ottomans have imported them?

  93. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    The cops should form private armed defense units made up of civilian volunteers and start hunting black/SJW terrorists.

    The cops should form private armed defense units made up of civilian volunteers and start hunting black/SJW terrorists.

    They are not terrorists, but tools. Tools of the rich and powerful and the large corporations. They are ideological and economic weapons wielded by The Powers That Be.

    Don’t hate the playa; hate the game.

    But before you can hate the game, you gotta know what the game really is.

  94. @FWIW
    "Witnesses reported hearing as many as four shots and seeing the flash of a muzzle about 125 yards away from the police, but no arrests had been made as of Belmar's briefing. Police believe the shooter used a handgun, he said."

    Fox News

    125 yards is a long way for a handgun. even with a long gun, the individual would have to know how to shoot.

    I would bet on the handgun as wrong in this case. Whoever did it had training or practice. It wasn't just a guy with a grudge. If they don't get the shooter, it will not get any easier. Although someone might turn him in for a reward.

    “Witnesses reported hearing as many as four shots and seeing the flash of a muzzle about 125 yards away from the police…”

    Were these the same witnesses that saw Mike Brown hold his hands up to surrender to Officer Wilson?

  95. @countenance
    Victory riots. That's what these things almost always are. That's what this thing was last night.

    Someone made me notice something that at first slipped by me. The two cop victims are a St. Louis County PD officer and a Webster Groves PD officer, neither one Ferguson PD. If the FPD goes out of business, the SLCPD will take over primary patrol jurisdiction. What it proves is that the FPD going out of business isn't going to make things any better. The local black undertow is so amped up on agitprop and energy and hate that they're going to be hostile to any cops in the area.

    It might take the Marines.

    Why send in the Marines? Why send in anyone?

    If all the cops in Ferguson relocate, and cops from other jurisdictions refuse to patrol there, people will have an opportunity to get just what they wanted: freedom from ‘racist’ policing.

    This is a potential gold mine.

  96. @jtgw
    If whites are so privileged, how come Asians do better than whites on all sorts of measures? Blacks aren't less successful because of racism, but because their average IQ is one standard deviation lower than that of whites. In the same way, Jews do better than average whites because their IQ is 1std above the white average, not because of some Jewish conspiracy.

    We live in a knowledge economy where IQ is basically all that matters. Blacks aren't going to be more successful until either we create more low-skilled jobs, which we can only do by cracking down on immigrants and protecting American industries from foreign competition, or unless we artificially boost black IQ. As Steve has noted before, one important step for raising black IQ is to encourage black mothers to breastfeed, but this is difficult since there are strong taboos against breastfeeding in the black community. The other way is eugenics, e.g. try to get smart blacks to reproduce more, but that runs into the general problem in our society, which is that smart people reproduce less. We have lots of perverse incentives in our system that aren't going to be easy to fix, so basically blacks are going to have to get used to being lower class for now.

    “IQ is basically all that matters”

    Lol the battlecry of the code monkey who was “smart but lazy” in HS.

    I see this shibboleth on alt right sites who can’t get over that the g score isnt the end all be all of a person’s potential.

    The future belongs to the smart, charismatic, driven people, as it always has. Having an idea of how small unit tactics works and being able to apply them will probably count more in this brave new world than an MBA.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    "The future belongs to the smart, charismatic, driven people, as it always has."

    So are you just going to repeat what I said or do you have anything new to add?
  97. This prehistoric race brings violence to every country they enter, and, according to the left, their violence is the fault of every nation they live in.

  98. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @leftist conservative

    Anonymous says:

    March 12, 2015 at 7:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    This is *exactly* what the wanky left media, who stirred the pot nonstop, wanted.
    Make no mistake, they wanted this result, and are ecstatically, orgiastically happy that two cops have been shot. If the cops actually died then the wanky left would be ejaculating at the news.
    You think I’m exaggerating or lying for effect? No.
     
    I disagree. The corporate does indeed stir the race war pot, but the corporate media and "the powers that be" make war on whites and white males in particular.

    Part of the way they wage that war is via the police. The police are on their side. Not the side of whites.

    The police protect the rich and the powerful and the corporations, not us whites. The police protect the nonwhites and immigrants, aka the economic footsoldiers of the corporations.

    So, no, the media does not want cops attacked. KKK members and white separatists? Sure.

    That is why I have little sympathy for the police in this matter. They aint my protectors.

    No doubt about it. The Suffolk County Police Department was chomping at the bit to arrest the very peacefull Sachem Quality of Life Protestors. The head of Sachem Quality of Life…a very very brave Italian American Woman…..put her foot down on the street from the sidewalk for a few seconds and she was immediately arrested for not protesting in the restricted protest area. She could have gone to jail…judge threw the case out eventually.

  99. @Buffalo Joe
    So I went to the St Louis Dispatch to read their stories on the cop shooting and the larger story is the one about a six year old boy being shot to death. The boy was riding in a mini van with his family when a car pulled alongside and some one in the car opened fire. The driver of the mini van returned fire during a rolling gun battle. The boy was black, no mention of the race of the gunman in the car. No protest is planned for that shooting, but I am pretty sure that a memorial with candles and stuffed animals will soon be erected.

    Please never ever ever visit the St Louis Post Dispatch website!!!!

    You can find out all you need to know about what is going on in Ferguson by going to the Daily MailOnline or SBPDL or of course UNZ.

    Warren Buffet is the financial sugar daddy for Lee Enterprises, the Post-Dispatch’s holding company.

    The whole Ferguson atrocity is being stage managed by Buffet, Soros, Holder, Sharpton, NBP Party, CPUSA…..

    Don’t watch CNN or MSNBC, instead password lock all their channels and call your cable company and tell them you have done so.

  100. http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2015/02/05/post-dispatch-parent-profit-falls-despite-growing.html

    Lee Enterprises, the Davenport, Iowa-based parent company of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reported a lower profit Thursday as its operating revenue decreased slightly.

    Lee reported a first-quarter profit of $10 million, a 17.3 percent decline from the same quarter last year. Operating revenue decreased 0.7 percent to $176.1 million.

    Its advertising and marketing services revenue decreased 5.6 percent, to $115.5 million, though Lee said digital revenue increased 25.6 percent; digital advertising and marketing services revenue increased 7.1 percent; and mobile advertising revenue increased 32.4 percent. The company also saw its subscription revenue increase nearly 11 percent to $50.4 million.

    Lee reported that its debt now totals $772.2 million, down from $784.5 million on Dec. 28, 2014.

    Lee stock (NYSE: LEE) was up more than 2 percent Thursday morning, to $3.03 per share.

    In spite of being the local paper of the biggest news story in the country for the last 6+ month Lee Enterprises is still in deep financial trouble and only being kept alive because its creditors know that Warren Buffet is its sugar daddy.

    American needs to boycott the St Louis Post Dispatch and watch it die.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Warren Buffett initially got into the newspaper business for financial reasons: prior to the popularization of the Internet (and Craig's List in particular), local newspapers had a nice monopoly on classified ads. Buffett is big on monopolies (or "moats" as he calls them).
  101. @David In TN
    A friend of mine once visited the Texas School Depository. He was surprised how close it was. "Oswald was right on top of him," he told me.

    I also visited the Texas School Depository and had the same reaction. When you see the view from the window on tv, the lensing makes the distance look longer than it is. (Kind of like when you visit the Capitol and see how small and cramped the house and senate chambers actually are.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Beside the distorting effect of the lens, mythic places tend to grow in our minds. The "Grassy Knoll" is not some vast field but a little embankment at the side of the road. Oswald was in a 6th floor window of a building fronting on a city street and Kennedy was in a slow moving limo (they had just made a 90 degree turn off another street) on that street directly in front of him. This was not a difficult shot for someone who had trained in the Marines and had a rifle with a scope. Someone half decent could have made the shot with a pistol. They were right on the edge of town where the city street grid turns into a highway interchange, so afterward in the film you see the limo take off for the hospital, but at the point of the shooting they were still on the grid and going at parade speed - Kennedy was a sitting duck.

    The whole conspiracy theory arose out of the idea that a "nothing" like Oswald was not capable of bringing down a "great man" like Kennedy - someone so great deserved to to have been brought down by some other great force, not a semi-crazy putz with a mail order gun. Of course, in reality the relative status of the men was irrelevant - the bullet doesn't care.
  102. Look at it from Eric Holders standpoint; if the BGI ever loses it’s grip on the narrative, they are through. It is like a gambit in chess; once the player on the attack loses momentum or trades too may position pieces he is usually ground down later in the game. The Obama Administration’s attack, no matter how feeble, will work as long as the other side only plays defense, but once the core voters go on offense the fringe won’t be able to stop them.

  103. @anonymous

    A commentator over at Saker’s blog asks if this is another color revolution.
     
    Soros did surreptitiously finance some of the professional protesters, there's been all sorts of different actors involved coming into the area. The whole thing has been rather stagey. The purpose is what though? Perhaps it's like the purported Chinese saying 'kill chicken to show monkey'. They can use Ferguson for it's demonstrative effect, putting it in front of everyone's nose everyday as some sort of lesson plan. Then the federal government can expand it's control of police departments all over the country, all to ensure everyone's rights are observed of course. It's a way of grasping more power unto itself, reaching it's tentacles into everything. It's another turn of the screw in expanding governmental control and power under the guise of protecting people.

    putting it in front of everyone’s nose everyday

    “Everyday” is an adjective meaning “common”… “every day”

  104. @Anonymous
    Here's something from Joel Pollack at Breitbart sounding very iSteve-ish regarding the horrific Ferguson mess:

    "The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations, based on the faulty notion that a city that enforces traffic tickets vigorously as a means of raising revenue is inherently racist. (By that standard, my own ultra-progressive town of Santa Monica, California would be akin to a Ku Klux Klan headquarters.)

    "Racist emails discovered from a few employees implicated those individuals alone–but Obama and Holder wanted more. They, and serial inciter Al Sharpton, wanted the humiliation of the town, wanted the division of America, wanted it to be clear that white public officials could never represent a black population, wanted middle America to know that the federal government could nullify self-government at a whim.

    "On the basis of the 'hands up, don’t shoot' lie, they let black businesses in Ferguson be torched and sewed rage across the country that took the lives of two police officers in New York."

    “The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations…”

    “Your guilt has been determined. This is merely a sentencing hearing…”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-dJPoSlPfU

    Death or exile?

  105. What’re the odds that Ferguson will turn a lot of Midwestern Democrats to the Republicans next (few) elections?

    • Replies: @Bert
    Not very likely.
  106. @Leo
    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn't have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.


    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    The solution is for blacks and Hispanics to move en masse to another place free of the evil whites and create the super advanced society we all know they are capable of doing on their own.

  107. @Busby
    Sounds wrong. There is a review board that receives and acts on requests for change to the character of a discharge. If memory serves they can upgrade, and often do, all except for those assessed as part of a court martial punishment.

    With regard to using the web to investigate public laws, I am not savvy enough to come up with a clear answer. However, it appears to me that the laws and rules governing discharge review were in flux in the early 1960s, so I think it’s possible that the current Navy Discharge Review Board system dates from a time after Oswald would have been making such a request.

    Also, I don’t know about the procedures for the Review Boards, but as the NDRB operates under the auspices of the Secretary of the Navy, it’s possible that the NDRB makes a decision after receiving a recommendation from the Secretary.

    BTW, I didn’t intend to start a Kennedy assassination thread. As I mentioned, ultimately irrelevant anecdote.

  108. Cops vs blacks? Two groups of violent thugs, not much difference between the two. America would be better off if both sides lose.

  109. The Ferguson Police Department was Jim Crow light!

    They played with the fire of unfairness and now two innocent cops get hurt bad.

    Wilson is innocent by the heavy handed rules government uses to protect itself and its power – but his killing of Brown was the straw that broke the back of civility.

    Ferguson Jim Crow did this – it is responsible for everything that has transpired.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    You should take this over to Reason where the nutjob libertarians post.
    , @unit472
    "Jim Crow" ? How old are you and where did you grow up or are you writing about something you only read about?

    "Get hurt bad" , sounds like ebonics to me. Don't you mean 'badly hurt'? Even segregated schools in the "Jim Crow" South wouldn't let that kind of English composition escape without a red pencil so my guess is you have a more 'contemporary' public school education and not a very good one.

  110. @Desiderius

    further heightened tension in the community by releasing Wilson’s name at the same time as store security video that police said showed Brown stealing a box of cigars and shoving a clerk only a short time before his death
     
    This is unadulterated evil.

    The truth "heightens tensions"?

    "the police said"?

    What does the writer of this piece think the video showed?

    A good first step in fighting this evil is getting a name from the Associated Press - either the writer or the editor who signed off on this article, and publicizing it. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

    It’s usually easy to find out who wrote an AP article, just search for words from the article at ap dot org. The two authors in this case haven’t tweeted yet so, what are you going to do, send them an email?

    I hate to keep saying “you’re doing it wrong and that’s why they win” over and over, except it’s true. Even if those AP reporters were active tweeters, either one of two things would happen (if anything): Twitchy would send their orcs (scratch that, orcs have brains) after them and nothing good would come of it, or someone would just send them an offensive tweet and think that was enough.

    What I’ve done in the past is things like http://24ahead.com/n/10760 I subsequently tried to undercut her to other AP reporters in the Southeast bureau. In that I got precisely zero help. If I had gotten help with that, then people like her would think twice about misleading. If I tried to do something like that with the two AP reporters for this article, I’d get little or no help and it wouldn’t go anywhere. And, it’s not like someone else is going to start a non-idiotic campaign designed to discredit specific AP reporters.

    And, that’s why you have articles like the one in the post.

  111. So, without having followed this of late, which prominent Republicans have spoken out in recent weeks about the Obama/Holder/MSM campaign of hate against white policemen in Ferguson? I think I know the answer. I also think I know how libertarians feel about all this. I half expect to hear Ron/Rand Paultards telling blacks that Ferguson should make them consider libertarianism.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Randian Superman Lew Rockwell thinks "private protective services at market prices" will solve all problems.
  112. @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2015/02/05/post-dispatch-parent-profit-falls-despite-growing.html

    Lee Enterprises, the Davenport, Iowa-based parent company of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, reported a lower profit Thursday as its operating revenue decreased slightly.

    Lee reported a first-quarter profit of $10 million, a 17.3 percent decline from the same quarter last year. Operating revenue decreased 0.7 percent to $176.1 million.

    Its advertising and marketing services revenue decreased 5.6 percent, to $115.5 million, though Lee said digital revenue increased 25.6 percent; digital advertising and marketing services revenue increased 7.1 percent; and mobile advertising revenue increased 32.4 percent. The company also saw its subscription revenue increase nearly 11 percent to $50.4 million.
     

    Lee reported that its debt now totals $772.2 million, down from $784.5 million on Dec. 28, 2014.
     


    Lee stock (NYSE: LEE) was up more than 2 percent Thursday morning, to $3.03 per share.
     
    In spite of being the local paper of the biggest news story in the country for the last 6+ month Lee Enterprises is still in deep financial trouble and only being kept alive because its creditors know that Warren Buffet is its sugar daddy.

    American needs to boycott the St Louis Post Dispatch and watch it die.

    Warren Buffett initially got into the newspaper business for financial reasons: prior to the popularization of the Internet (and Craig’s List in particular), local newspapers had a nice monopoly on classified ads. Buffett is big on monopolies (or “moats” as he calls them).

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    I think what Warren Buffet likes is that the dead tree media in flyover country is so heavily leveraged with debt that he can essentially control them by buying up stock warrants by refinancing debt on terms unfavorable to existing creditors but at interest rates on his terms. That is a lot of political power purchased on the cheap. Same game essentially that Carlos Helu Slim is playing with the NYT.

    Still show grandma and grandpa how to get the obituaries and the sport section online and how craigslist works then the St Louis Post Dispatch is toast.
  113. @Jack Hanson
    "IQ is basically all that matters"

    Lol the battlecry of the code monkey who was "smart but lazy" in HS.

    I see this shibboleth on alt right sites who can't get over that the g score isnt the end all be all of a person's potential.

    The future belongs to the smart, charismatic, driven people, as it always has. Having an idea of how small unit tactics works and being able to apply them will probably count more in this brave new world than an MBA.

    “The future belongs to the smart, charismatic, driven people, as it always has.”

    So are you just going to repeat what I said or do you have anything new to add?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Well since you seemed to miss the other pillars in your rush to proclaim nerd superiority, I'd say something was added.
  114. @Matra
    So, without having followed this of late, which prominent Republicans have spoken out in recent weeks about the Obama/Holder/MSM campaign of hate against white policemen in Ferguson? I think I know the answer. I also think I know how libertarians feel about all this. I half expect to hear Ron/Rand Paultards telling blacks that Ferguson should make them consider libertarianism.

    Randian Superman Lew Rockwell thinks “private protective services at market prices” will solve all problems.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    A lot of libertarians would find writing out behavior contracts with five year olds to be commendable.
  115. @Buzz Mohawk

    "By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living."
     
    Because they built it, and they maintain it. That maintenance, by the way, includes enforcement of laws necessary for civilized living.

    If pigs want to fly like eagles, they need to grow some wings. They also need to learn how to obey the laws of flight.


    "How can anyone expect nonwhites not to be just a little angry at the unfairness of that privilege?"
     
    Envy is an ugly thing that often leads to anger. What white Americans enjoy is not a privilege but a benefit of their civil habits and smart work.

    "Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites."
     
    Maybe if non-white guys quit murdering, raping, demeaning, stealing from, and otherwise crapping on whites (and non-whites) they wouldn’t have to receive justice. And maybe pigs will fly someday, but that would require some evolutionary changes.

    BTW I'd rather cry for cops than convenience store theives and neighborhood thugs. Can't you at least find a more sympathetic "victim?" No, you can't, because they are rare, whereas the many innocent white victims of non-white crime go unnoticed. (Just for me, that includes two friends whose cars were stolen in black neighborhoods, and a girlfriend who was raped by a black man.)

    There are exceptions, of course, people on the right tail of every curve. I have known many. But when you apply blanket insult to an entire race as an excuse for the bad behavior of the bulk of another, you generate an argument based on averages.

    Well said mate.

  116. @David In TN
    Randian Superman Lew Rockwell thinks "private protective services at market prices" will solve all problems.

    A lot of libertarians would find writing out behavior contracts with five year olds to be commendable.

  117. @rob
    What're the odds that Ferguson will turn a lot of Midwestern Democrats to the Republicans next (few) elections?

    Not very likely.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    on wisconsin
  118. “Cops vs blacks? Two groups of violent thugs, not much difference between the two. America would be better off if both sides lose.”

    Without cops, Black on White violence would be even higher than it currently is in the U.S if we lived in a lawless Purge like society where are all crimes are legal and the only law is there are no laws.

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.
     
    Okay, but after reconstruction in the South, blacks didn't just massacre whites because whites had guns, kind of like now.
    , @27 year old
    "The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement."

    Well... maybe. The existence of "law enforcement" (ie, threat of prison rape) is also the only reason there is no white counter-action to black crimes. I tend to think whites would come out way ahead in a "purge" scenario.
  119. “Offensive” commercial for insurance from Israeli TV:

  120. “Wilson is innocent by the heavy handed rules government uses to protect itself and its power – but his killing of Brown was the straw that broke the back of civility.”

    You speak of civility, was Michael Brown the epitome of a civilized Human Being in your eyes? If Michael Brown was considered a civilized Human Being by African American standards, than no wonder the African American community is morally bankrupt.

    If a White guy committed strong arm robbery and than physically attacked a police officer and tried to steal his gun, not too many White people would say that guy is a civilized Human Being. And of course you would not see Whites across the country protesting the death of a White thug with signs saying “WHITE LIVES MATTER”.

    • Replies: @Truth
    "If a White guy committed strong arm robbery..."

    Ahhhhhh, but Daniel-San, the qluestion becomes
    Did he commit stlong ahmed lobbely
    or was he plotecting himself
    from phisical assault

    And Ly
    did the police officials
    release a video selectively
    that besmirched lis leputation?

    ttp://aattp.org/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-to-show-brown-paying-for-cigarillos-video/
  121. @Bert
    Not very likely.

    on wisconsin

    • Replies: @Bert
    That was very nearly a sentence.
  122. @Dave Pinsen
    Warren Buffett initially got into the newspaper business for financial reasons: prior to the popularization of the Internet (and Craig's List in particular), local newspapers had a nice monopoly on classified ads. Buffett is big on monopolies (or "moats" as he calls them).

    I think what Warren Buffet likes is that the dead tree media in flyover country is so heavily leveraged with debt that he can essentially control them by buying up stock warrants by refinancing debt on terms unfavorable to existing creditors but at interest rates on his terms. That is a lot of political power purchased on the cheap. Same game essentially that Carlos Helu Slim is playing with the NYT.

    Still show grandma and grandpa how to get the obituaries and the sport section online and how craigslist works then the St Louis Post Dispatch is toast.

  123. >”On Wisconsin”

    On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, plunge right through that line.
    Run the ball clear down the field, a touchdown sure this time.
    On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, fight on for her fame.
    Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight, we’ll win this game.

    On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, stand up Badgers sing.
    “Forward” is our driving spirit, loyal voices ring.
    On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, raise her glowing flame.
    Stand, fellows, let us now salute her name.<

    source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/miscellaneouslyrics/fightsongslyrics/wisconsinfightsonglyrics.html

  124. It was great to hear this on NPR this morning and discover RIGHT AWAY that the shooters were up on a hill, separate from the protesters, the protesters were on private property with the permission of the owner, and that the Ferguson protests have been “mostly peaceful” from day 1. Their entire tone was dripping with leftist sympathy.

    Then again, they did play the quote of the cop saying the shooters were among the protesters. He also said the shooters deliberately targeted the cops.

    “Mostly peaceful,” is that like “mostly legal,” or “mostly law-abiding”? Lefties have no standards at all: “yeah, I’m mostly not a heroin addict”; I’m mostly not a murderer”; “I’m mostly not a serial rapist.”

    Proud of ya, NPR.

    And P.S., NPR was saying at like 7 AM that it was people near/within the protests who shot the two cops. One was hit in the face, the other in the shoulder.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    On Twitter shortly after the news broke:

    My concern is there is no evidence, so far, to prove that whoever was shooting was targeting the cops and not the protesters.— TC (@tchopstl) March 12, 2015
     
  125. If White privilege truly existed, the unarmed White man Dillon Taylor who was shot dead by a Black police officer in Salt Lake City, Utah would have gotten a trillion times more national and international media coverage than Michael Brown’s death.

    If White privilege truly existed, Salt Lake City would have been the most important city in the world for a long time.

    If White privilege truly existed, you would be seeing people wearing t-shirts that say “WHITE LIVES MATTER” and Hussein Obama would have come out and made a statement to the media that if he had adopted a White son, he would have looked like Dillon Taylor.

  126. @Art
    The Ferguson Police Department was Jim Crow light!

    They played with the fire of unfairness and now two innocent cops get hurt bad.

    Wilson is innocent by the heavy handed rules government uses to protect itself and its power - but his killing of Brown was the straw that broke the back of civility.

    Ferguson Jim Crow did this – it is responsible for everything that has transpired.

    You should take this over to Reason where the nutjob libertarians post.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You should take this over to Reason where the nutjob libertarians post.

     

    And if you can remember the days when Reason lived up to its name, then you're older than the president.
  127. @V Vega

    But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”
     
    Also, the trailer trash lady filming it laughed and said to the guy, "You okay, Carl? You're just gonna stand there and barbecue? Jesus!"

    I'm not well versed in psychology, but does that not qualify Carl as a sociopath?

    I hope he gets doxed, followed by plenty of Facebook blowback for his little barbecue.

    Here's the video:

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/59796845/highlight/608891

    Anybody else hear this? At 0:49-0:51: “Hey. You’re an American hero!”

  128. I am watching Hannity coverage of the police shooting in Ferguson, Blacks on the streets of Ferguson are playing “Fuck The Police” by N.W.A and there is some pathetic old middle age liberal White guy trying come off as cool and trying to show he is down with the Black social justice warrior cause by singing along with the lyrics of “Fuck The Police”.

    There is nothing more pathetic than a White person who tries extremely hard to be accepted by the African American community as an honorary Black person.

  129. @Art
    The Ferguson Police Department was Jim Crow light!

    They played with the fire of unfairness and now two innocent cops get hurt bad.

    Wilson is innocent by the heavy handed rules government uses to protect itself and its power - but his killing of Brown was the straw that broke the back of civility.

    Ferguson Jim Crow did this – it is responsible for everything that has transpired.

    “Jim Crow” ? How old are you and where did you grow up or are you writing about something you only read about?

    “Get hurt bad” , sounds like ebonics to me. Don’t you mean ‘badly hurt’? Even segregated schools in the “Jim Crow” South wouldn’t let that kind of English composition escape without a red pencil so my guess is you have a more ‘contemporary’ public school education and not a very good one.

    • Replies: @Art
    The South lost the war and are still losers – 150 years of Jim Crow race hate is for losers – for small minded people.

    Those two cops are paying the price for your hate!
  130. This is unadulterated evil.

    The truth “heightens tensions”?

    “the police said”?

    What does the writer of this piece think the video showed?

    This is how these shitbirds work. I can pretty much unpack it in real time, but I feel sorry for the average dupe listening to them. “Corporate journalist” should give a person roughly the same social status as “garbage man.” And far less money.

    Boo fucking hoo. What goes around comes around. Maybe if white guys quit crapping on everyone they wouldn’t have to receive rough justice when the institutions they control murder and demean non whites.

    By any measure — health, education, economics, employment — white Americans enjoy a superior standard of living.

    How can anyone expect nonwhites not be just a little angry at the unfairness if that privilege. I mean, wow just wow.

    I have four words for them and any other white Americans who feel themselves similarly victimized.

    Cry me a river.

    This is why I’m so sympathetic and warm toward leftists: can’t you just feel the compassion this leftist has for you, white man? Aren’t you just jumping to return the love and join the group hug?

    There can be no oppressed blacks, browns, yellows, Jews, etc., in an all-white state. There can be no racial conflict or oppression. On the other hand, these things are inevitable in multicultural or multiracial states, and liberal democracies.

    The grainy cellphone video of the shooting in Ferguson last night doesn’t show much. But about 25 seconds after the shots, a white guy shouts out, “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have stopped that from happening.”

    Lefty scum: “she shouldn’t have worn that dress.”

    If he’s white, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has his parents paying for everything while he’s out playing commie agitator. Lefties sure have high standards: negro not trying to murder cops would have stopped it from happening, no?

    “IQ is basically all that matters”

    Lol the battlecry of the code monkey who was “smart but lazy” in HS.

    IQ fetishism is stupid. You’re giving “smart but lazy” guys a bad name.

    Cops vs blacks? Two groups of violent thugs, not much difference between the two. America would be better off if both sides lose.

    Libertardians.

    Ferguson Jim Crow did this – it is responsible for everything that has transpired.

    Leftist: “She shouldn’t have worn that dress.”

    So are you just going to repeat what I said or do you have anything new to add?

    1/3=1. Brilliant.

  131. Lefties have extremely low standards for blacks. Much lower than for any other human group.

    I wonder why?

    • Replies: @Truth
    You're a "lefty" now?
  132. There is nothing more pathetic than a White person who tries extremely hard to be accepted by the African American community as an honorary Black person.

    My type put a man on the moon. Your type made huts. I need your approval.

    It’s extremely perverse.

  133. “Lefties have extremely low standards for blacks. Much lower than for any other human group.

    I wonder why?”

    If all races were equal, Blacks would be held to the same high moral standards as Whites.

  134. @unit472
    "Jim Crow" ? How old are you and where did you grow up or are you writing about something you only read about?

    "Get hurt bad" , sounds like ebonics to me. Don't you mean 'badly hurt'? Even segregated schools in the "Jim Crow" South wouldn't let that kind of English composition escape without a red pencil so my guess is you have a more 'contemporary' public school education and not a very good one.

    The South lost the war and are still losers – 150 years of Jim Crow race hate is for losers – for small minded people.

    Those two cops are paying the price for your hate!

  135. “Cops vs blacks? Two groups of violent thugs, not much difference between the two. America would be better off if both sides lose.”

    Without cops, Black on White violence would be even higher than it currently is in the U.S if we lived in a lawless Purge like society where are all crimes are legal and the only law is there are no laws.

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.

    I’m somewhere in between your two camps, and have sympathy for both arguments, but let’s be clear: cops (and soldiers) enable the status quo. If they weren’t a factor, it would go very badly for blacks, not whites. Whites would simply drive black populations well away from their living spaces.

  136. @schmenz
    Goodness, "Truth" is an extremely tiresome commenter, isn't he?

    TireLESS. But you were close.

  137. @Svigor
    Lefties have extremely low standards for blacks. Much lower than for any other human group.

    I wonder why?

    You’re a “lefty” now?

    • Replies: @Wyrd
    Truth is one bad...
    (Shut your mouth!)
    Hey, I'm just talking about Truth,
    Can you dig it?
  138. @newrouter
    on wisconsin

    That was very nearly a sentence.

  139. @Jefferson
    "Cops vs blacks? Two groups of violent thugs, not much difference between the two. America would be better off if both sides lose."

    Without cops, Black on White violence would be even higher than it currently is in the U.S if we lived in a lawless Purge like society where are all crimes are legal and the only law is there are no laws.

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4htIDMuIT9k

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.

    Okay, but after reconstruction in the South, blacks didn’t just massacre whites because whites had guns, kind of like now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Okay, but after reconstruction in the South, blacks didn’t just massacre whites because whites had guns, kind of like now.

     

    And blacks didn't have guns. Kind of not like now.

    Nobody ever gives the Southland credit for inventing gun control. And they're too modest to claim it.
  140. @WowJustWow
    Yup, if there's one thing I learned from the media and public school, it's that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner.

    Yup, if there’s one thing I learned from the media and public school, it’s that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner..

    What about Leon Czolgosz? And what about that line from Richard Linklater’s Slacker: “There was such a thing as belief put into action in those days”, spoken in front of a newspaper clipping bearing the headline “14 massacred in Oklahoma”?

    at 1:01:00

    I’ve always wondered whether that was an inspiration for Tim McVeigh, who is the right-wing exception to the rule.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    I don't know if it's what that guy's saying or the fact that I've met so many people like him that makes me clench my fist whenever I watch that scene.

    Czolgosz is too far back to have a spot in the popular imagination. That was before goodness and virtue were invented in the 1960s, so McKinley was probably a racist who had it coming.

    It's interesting that my public school education never really said anything about MLK's shooter and I had even forgotten his name until I looked it up back in January. He seems to fit the standard narrative well enough and he looks just like Alex Jones -- why don't they make a bigger deal out of him? I guess when you're trying to lift somebody up even beyond martyr status, such mundane matters as an assassin's identity kind of hurt the mood by bringing things back down to earth. "Some guy with a middle name shot him" doesn't inspire reverence in third graders the way "They shot him" does. That's probably where I first learned to see centuries of racism as a big scary force floating in the ether.

  141. @Hey Steve
    Steve, Lindsay Graham calls for a coup against the federal govt over not supporting neocon war spending:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/11/8193751/lindsey-graham-military-coup

    Steve, Lindsay Graham calls for a coup against the federal govt over not supporting neocon war spending:

    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/11/8193751/lindsey-graham-military-coup

    Yeah, but he’s a good brother, uncle, and friend.

  142. @Anonymous

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.
     
    Okay, but after reconstruction in the South, blacks didn't just massacre whites because whites had guns, kind of like now.

    Okay, but after reconstruction in the South, blacks didn’t just massacre whites because whites had guns, kind of like now.

    And blacks didn’t have guns. Kind of not like now.

    Nobody ever gives the Southland credit for inventing gun control. And they’re too modest to claim it.

  143. @MarkinLA
    You should take this over to Reason where the nutjob libertarians post.

    You should take this over to Reason where the nutjob libertarians post.

    And if you can remember the days when Reason lived up to its name, then you’re older than the president.

  144. @Brutusale
    Just being at the protest is a violation, if my memory serves me correctly, of Derb's Rule #10d: don't go where blacks are likely to congregate. Even black football players from Ole Miss learned that lesson recently!

    Troofie, empathy for blacks is like cocaine; seeing the same old things from your brothers and sisters each and every time, I need a real sob story to just move the needle on my empathy meter. I just don't get the same empathy high when another thug's mother and baby daddy and stepfather and boyfriend and booty-call-gone-wrong sperm donor wailing over the death of their future Fields Medal winner. I need stronger stuff.

    I've had friends who actually still care about the NBA tell me that the complexion of the fans at Boston Garden has changed over the past few years. A stabbing at a Celtics game last night proves it's true.

    ” I just don’t get the same empathy high when another thug’s mother and baby daddy and stepfather and boyfriend and booty-call-gone-wrong sperm donor wailing over the death of their future Fields Medal winner. I need stronger stuff.”

    I guess dead white peace officers isn’t strong enough?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Only marginally stronger. For every cop in Detroit or DC hoping his body armor is up to snuff there are 10 of his brothers in sleepy little towns earning $130K for actively harassing the citizenry for minor traffic violations.

    Law enforcement's actions during the aftermath of the Marathon Bombings irrevocably changed the way I perceive it.

    Not quite the answer you expected, huh?
  145. @Truth
    You're a "lefty" now?

    Truth is one bad…
    (Shut your mouth!)
    Hey, I’m just talking about Truth,
    Can you dig it?

  146. @Svigor
    It was great to hear this on NPR this morning and discover RIGHT AWAY that the shooters were up on a hill, separate from the protesters, the protesters were on private property with the permission of the owner, and that the Ferguson protests have been "mostly peaceful" from day 1. Their entire tone was dripping with leftist sympathy.

    Then again, they did play the quote of the cop saying the shooters were among the protesters. He also said the shooters deliberately targeted the cops.

    "Mostly peaceful," is that like "mostly legal," or "mostly law-abiding"? Lefties have no standards at all: "yeah, I'm mostly not a heroin addict"; I'm mostly not a murderer"; "I'm mostly not a serial rapist."

    Proud of ya, NPR.

    And P.S., NPR was saying at like 7 AM that it was people near/within the protests who shot the two cops. One was hit in the face, the other in the shoulder.

    On Twitter shortly after the news broke:

    My concern is there is no evidence, so far, to prove that whoever was shooting was targeting the cops and not the protesters.— TC (@tchopstl) March 12, 2015

    • Replies: @Truth
    "My concern is there is no evidence, so far, to prove that whoever was shooting was targeting the cops and not the protesters.— TC (@tchopstl) March 12, 2015"

    So a black person shooting at other black people would suprise you now?
  147. @Jefferson
    "Wilson is innocent by the heavy handed rules government uses to protect itself and its power – but his killing of Brown was the straw that broke the back of civility."

    You speak of civility, was Michael Brown the epitome of a civilized Human Being in your eyes? If Michael Brown was considered a civilized Human Being by African American standards, than no wonder the African American community is morally bankrupt.

    If a White guy committed strong arm robbery and than physically attacked a police officer and tried to steal his gun, not too many White people would say that guy is a civilized Human Being. And of course you would not see Whites across the country protesting the death of a White thug with signs saying "WHITE LIVES MATTER".

    “If a White guy committed strong arm robbery…”

    Ahhhhhh, but Daniel-San, the qluestion becomes
    Did he commit stlong ahmed lobbely
    or was he plotecting himself
    from phisical assault

    And Ly
    did the police officials
    release a video selectively
    that besmirched lis leputation?

    ttp://aattp.org/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-to-show-brown-paying-for-cigarillos-video/

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.

    Think if it as evolution in action. One more set of bad genes being removed from the gene pool. Brown should be given a Darwin Award.

  148. @Dave Pinsen
    On Twitter shortly after the news broke:

    My concern is there is no evidence, so far, to prove that whoever was shooting was targeting the cops and not the protesters.— TC (@tchopstl) March 12, 2015
     

    “My concern is there is no evidence, so far, to prove that whoever was shooting was targeting the cops and not the protesters.— TC (@tchopstl) March 12, 2015”

    So a black person shooting at other black people would suprise you now?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Who said anything about a black person shooting?
  149. @Truth
    "My concern is there is no evidence, so far, to prove that whoever was shooting was targeting the cops and not the protesters.— TC (@tchopstl) March 12, 2015"

    So a black person shooting at other black people would suprise you now?

    Who said anything about a black person shooting?

    • Replies: @Truth
    Davey Boy, I'm stationed inside your head...


    ...and I'm there rent-free.
  150. @Dave Pinsen
    Who said anything about a black person shooting?

    Davey Boy, I’m stationed inside your head…

    …and I’m there rent-free.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Heh, no you're not. Anyhow, the point of my question was that, at the time of that tweet, there was no indication of what race the shooter was (AFAIK, there still isn't, but I haven't stayed on top of the story since).
  151. @Truth
    Davey Boy, I'm stationed inside your head...


    ...and I'm there rent-free.

    Heh, no you’re not. Anyhow, the point of my question was that, at the time of that tweet, there was no indication of what race the shooter was (AFAIK, there still isn’t, but I haven’t stayed on top of the story since).

  152. What did you assume of the race of the shooter? Or maybe you are a “liberal” who made no assumtion?

    • Replies: @donut
    Damn Truth ! You've got a lot more comments than usual . Is it a guvmint holiday ?

    As to the race of the shooter I would tend toward a Negro but you never know . I remember that everybody assumed the D.C. sniper was a white guy but we were wrong . Big surprise . It's just like in every area , white people used to dominate but then you people started pushing your way in and pretty soon one of the few fields white folks had to themselves was serial killers and now even that last stronghold of white supremacy is falling .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G0MJnL1UGw
  153. @Truth
    " I just don’t get the same empathy high when another thug’s mother and baby daddy and stepfather and boyfriend and booty-call-gone-wrong sperm donor wailing over the death of their future Fields Medal winner. I need stronger stuff."

    I guess dead white peace officers isn't strong enough?

    Only marginally stronger. For every cop in Detroit or DC hoping his body armor is up to snuff there are 10 of his brothers in sleepy little towns earning $130K for actively harassing the citizenry for minor traffic violations.

    Law enforcement’s actions during the aftermath of the Marathon Bombings irrevocably changed the way I perceive it.

    Not quite the answer you expected, huh?

    • Replies: @Truth
    No, certainly not. But you are a smart young man, I would expect you to be an iconoclast.

    I for one feel sorry for anyone who loses his live's family. Even criminals. I think burying me would kill my mother.
  154. To address some theories that were floating around here, note that this wasn’t a moving target like JFK. “The police officers, not members of Ferguson’s force, were part of a 25-man police line at the embattled headquarters.” So you fire four-ish shots into a giant mass of policemen and you hit two, and they’re not even Ferguson cops. That doesn’t really speak much either to marksmanship or to competence in choosing targets. It’s not inconceivable that some thug might trade his handgun and a bag of weed for a rifle.

  155. @Brutusale
    Only marginally stronger. For every cop in Detroit or DC hoping his body armor is up to snuff there are 10 of his brothers in sleepy little towns earning $130K for actively harassing the citizenry for minor traffic violations.

    Law enforcement's actions during the aftermath of the Marathon Bombings irrevocably changed the way I perceive it.

    Not quite the answer you expected, huh?

    No, certainly not. But you are a smart young man, I would expect you to be an iconoclast.

    I for one feel sorry for anyone who loses his live’s family. Even criminals. I think burying me would kill my mother.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    "Young man"?! I thank you for the salutation, sir! But as Harry Doyle said, I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.
  156. @ben tillman

    Yup, if there’s one thing I learned from the media and public school, it’s that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner..
     
    What about Leon Czolgosz? And what about that line from Richard Linklater's Slacker: "There was such a thing as belief put into action in those days", spoken in front of a newspaper clipping bearing the headline "14 massacred in Oklahoma"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB4xlYKAVCQ at 1:01:00

    I've always wondered whether that was an inspiration for Tim McVeigh, who is the right-wing exception to the rule.

    I don’t know if it’s what that guy’s saying or the fact that I’ve met so many people like him that makes me clench my fist whenever I watch that scene.

    Czolgosz is too far back to have a spot in the popular imagination. That was before goodness and virtue were invented in the 1960s, so McKinley was probably a racist who had it coming.

    It’s interesting that my public school education never really said anything about MLK’s shooter and I had even forgotten his name until I looked it up back in January. He seems to fit the standard narrative well enough and he looks just like Alex Jones — why don’t they make a bigger deal out of him? I guess when you’re trying to lift somebody up even beyond martyr status, such mundane matters as an assassin’s identity kind of hurt the mood by bringing things back down to earth. “Some guy with a middle name shot him” doesn’t inspire reverence in third graders the way “They shot him” does. That’s probably where I first learned to see centuries of racism as a big scary force floating in the ether.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    It’s interesting that my public school education never really said anything about MLK’s shooter and I had even forgotten his name until I looked it up back in January. He seems to fit the standard narrative well enough and he looks just like Alex Jones — why don’t they make a bigger deal out of him?
     
    It probably doesn't help that the King family eventually decided that James Earl Ray wasn't the killer:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/28/us/dr-king-s-son-says-family-believes-ray-is-innocent.html

    http://www.theendrun.com/jury-finds-mlk-killed-by-government-conspiracy-king-family-agrees
  157. @WowJustWow
    I don't know if it's what that guy's saying or the fact that I've met so many people like him that makes me clench my fist whenever I watch that scene.

    Czolgosz is too far back to have a spot in the popular imagination. That was before goodness and virtue were invented in the 1960s, so McKinley was probably a racist who had it coming.

    It's interesting that my public school education never really said anything about MLK's shooter and I had even forgotten his name until I looked it up back in January. He seems to fit the standard narrative well enough and he looks just like Alex Jones -- why don't they make a bigger deal out of him? I guess when you're trying to lift somebody up even beyond martyr status, such mundane matters as an assassin's identity kind of hurt the mood by bringing things back down to earth. "Some guy with a middle name shot him" doesn't inspire reverence in third graders the way "They shot him" does. That's probably where I first learned to see centuries of racism as a big scary force floating in the ether.

    It’s interesting that my public school education never really said anything about MLK’s shooter and I had even forgotten his name until I looked it up back in January. He seems to fit the standard narrative well enough and he looks just like Alex Jones — why don’t they make a bigger deal out of him?

    It probably doesn’t help that the King family eventually decided that James Earl Ray wasn’t the killer:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/28/us/dr-king-s-son-says-family-believes-ray-is-innocent.html

    http://www.theendrun.com/jury-finds-mlk-killed-by-government-conspiracy-king-family-agrees

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A small scale conspiracy in the murder of MLK doesn't seem unlikely, but it seldom seems to come up.
  158. @ben tillman

    It’s interesting that my public school education never really said anything about MLK’s shooter and I had even forgotten his name until I looked it up back in January. He seems to fit the standard narrative well enough and he looks just like Alex Jones — why don’t they make a bigger deal out of him?
     
    It probably doesn't help that the King family eventually decided that James Earl Ray wasn't the killer:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/28/us/dr-king-s-son-says-family-believes-ray-is-innocent.html

    http://www.theendrun.com/jury-finds-mlk-killed-by-government-conspiracy-king-family-agrees

    A small scale conspiracy in the murder of MLK doesn’t seem unlikely, but it seldom seems to come up.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester
    A small scale conspiracy in the murder of MLK doesn’t seem unlikely, but it seldom seems to come up.

    Gerald Posner wrote a superb book, Killing the Dream, about James Earl Ray, the assassin of Martin Luther King.

    http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Dream-Assassination-Martin-Luther/dp/0156006510

    Posner describes vividly the extreme poverty of Ray's childhood. It was just wretched. He and his family were in the bottom 1% of American Whites.

    Ray began to spend time in prison at about the age of 21. He became extremely racist. He explicitly advocated mass murder of Blacks.

    Ray remained close to a couple of his brothers, who were not as violently racist as he was, but made their livings by various scams. It seems that these three brothers thought that some wealthy racist had offered a lot of money to anyone who killed King.

    There was a small conspiracy just among the Ray brothers. They thought they would make a lot of money. James was glad to be the brother to do the murderous deed, because he hated Blacks so violently.

    I read the book 15 years ago, and I am writing this from memory. I might have some details wrong here. The book was documented very well.

  159. @Truth
    No, certainly not. But you are a smart young man, I would expect you to be an iconoclast.

    I for one feel sorry for anyone who loses his live's family. Even criminals. I think burying me would kill my mother.

    “Young man”?! I thank you for the salutation, sir! But as Harry Doyle said, I’ve seen enough to know that I’ve seen too much.

  160. @Mike Sylwester

    There was a weird claim going around the internet last summer that he hadn’t really stolen the cigars, that he had paid for them and the argument with the clerk was about whether he had paid enough or how many cigars he had paid for.
     
    You can read the police report at
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-report-michael-brown/14115495/

    Here are a few excerpts:


    I received a call for a stealing in progress ..... I went inside to contact a clerk, who was not identified at that time and a patron, who was not identified at that time, who advised the suspect took cigars and pushed [name whited out] on his way out. .....

    [Name whited out] had just come out of the restroom and returned to the counter, where she observed Brown tell [name whited out] that Brown wanted several boxes of cigars. As [name whited out] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson, who was standing behind Brown. [Name whited out] witnessed [name whited out] tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first.

    That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store.

    [Name whited out] then calls 911. Meanwhile [name whited out] comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. .... [Name whited out] was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him.

    That is when Brown grabbed [name whited out] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack. [Name whited out] backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars.
     

    The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars.

    Therefore, I will again quote the police report, this time filling in the “[name whited out]” blanks to improve the clarity:

    I received a call for a stealing in progress ….. I went inside to contact a clerk, who was not identified at that time and a patron, who was not identified at that time, who advised the suspect took cigars and pushed [the clerk] on his way out. …..

    [The patron] had just come out of the restroom and returned to the counter, where she observed Brown tell [the clerk] that Brown wanted several boxes of cigars. As [the clerk] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson, who was standing behind Brown. [The patron] witnessed [the clerk] tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first.

    That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store.

    [The patron] then calls 911. Meanwhile [the clerk] comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. …. [The clerk] was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him.

    That is when Brown grabbed [the clerk] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack. [The clerk] backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars.

    • Replies: @Truth

    "The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars. "

     

    I did not suggest anything of the sort. My suggestion was that the police department willfully and intentionally released half a video to further its own aims.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store

    Now if you want to continue living in a (sort-of) free, democratic country, here is where you ask yourself a question, Chief: Was I aware of the first half of this video until now?

    This thing has been going on for months now, and I was unaware until a few days ago.
  161. @Steve Sailer
    A small scale conspiracy in the murder of MLK doesn't seem unlikely, but it seldom seems to come up.

    A small scale conspiracy in the murder of MLK doesn’t seem unlikely, but it seldom seems to come up.

    Gerald Posner wrote a superb book, Killing the Dream, about James Earl Ray, the assassin of Martin Luther King.

    Posner describes vividly the extreme poverty of Ray’s childhood. It was just wretched. He and his family were in the bottom 1% of American Whites.

    Ray began to spend time in prison at about the age of 21. He became extremely racist. He explicitly advocated mass murder of Blacks.

    Ray remained close to a couple of his brothers, who were not as violently racist as he was, but made their livings by various scams. It seems that these three brothers thought that some wealthy racist had offered a lot of money to anyone who killed King.

    There was a small conspiracy just among the Ray brothers. They thought they would make a lot of money. James was glad to be the brother to do the murderous deed, because he hated Blacks so violently.

    I read the book 15 years ago, and I am writing this from memory. I might have some details wrong here. The book was documented very well.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "It seems that these three brothers thought that some wealthy racist had offered a lot of money to anyone who killed King. There was a small conspiracy just among the Ray brothers. They thought they would make a lot of money."

    And maybe there was a wealthy doctor somewhere who had put the offer out. Or maybe it was just a stupid prison rumor like the one in "In Cold Blood" that this Kansas family had cash in the walls of their house. But, yeah, a conspiracy of three or four sounds about right.

  162. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Truth
    "If a White guy committed strong arm robbery..."

    Ahhhhhh, but Daniel-San, the qluestion becomes
    Did he commit stlong ahmed lobbely
    or was he plotecting himself
    from phisical assault

    And Ly
    did the police officials
    release a video selectively
    that besmirched lis leputation?

    ttp://aattp.org/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-to-show-brown-paying-for-cigarillos-video/

    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.

    Think if it as evolution in action. One more set of bad genes being removed from the gene pool. Brown should be given a Darwin Award.

    • Replies: @Truth

    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.
     
    There is no evidence as to what Wilson asked him. He knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.
  163. @Truth
    What did you assume of the race of the shooter? Or maybe you are a "liberal" who made no assumtion?

    Damn Truth ! You’ve got a lot more comments than usual . Is it a guvmint holiday ?

    As to the race of the shooter I would tend toward a Negro but you never know . I remember that everybody assumed the D.C. sniper was a white guy but we were wrong . Big surprise . It’s just like in every area , white people used to dominate but then you people started pushing your way in and pretty soon one of the few fields white folks had to themselves was serial killers and now even that last stronghold of white supremacy is falling .

  164. IQ has a significant effect on social and economic outcomes but it’s not all that matters. A few years ago, economist Roland Fryer published a study documenting the relationship between IQ and certain life outcomes (namely, employment and wages). He found that controlling for IQ eliminates some of the racial disparities between blacks and whites, but not all of them. E.g. wages are identical, but blacks are much more likely to be unemployed. Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Furthermore, studies continue to show the prevalence of anti-black discrimination in the labor market (e.g. job applicants w/ “black sounding” names receive fewer call backs, regardless of qualifications). Unfortunately there isn’t much literature on IQ and its effect on racial disparities. Fryer’s is the only one I know of, and he actually downplays the issue of discrimination. I’d love to see more research in this area though.

    In any case, you’re delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    For somebody who deems blacks inferior, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about them. You’ve been commenting on Steve Sailer’s articles for years. Do you have a life outside of “the sphere”?

    The owner of this site almost single-handedly debunked HBD. You guys can preach it to the choir all you want, but anybody who’s read Mr. Unz’s series on race and IQ will take your words with a grain of salt. It would be nice if y’all could simply acknowledge that you’re scared of black guys, rather than babbling on about IQ.

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    I expect you to say, “I ain’t scared o’ no blacks. Blacks don’t have the IQ to pose a serious threat…” But we all know the truth, bro. Acknowledging your fear won’t make you less of a man.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.
     
    Sympathy goes down the drain for a dog that bites you all the time. Then thoughts turn to how to deal with that dog. IQ is not all that matters, that's why when controlling for it your people still have a gap and that's because of their poor personal characteristics.
    , @MarkinLA
    Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Anybody with a brain wants to avoid a potential discrimination lawsuit.

    I worked at a defense contractor during the Reagan years. We hired every black engineer available but that wasn't enough for the EEOC people. We started hiring do-nothing people and putting them in HR positions where their job was basically to just cash their check on Friday. That still wasn't enough, we needed more in management. You can't just take a run-of-the-mill engineer and make him the manager of other engineers who have worked with him and know he is no better than they are. They started talking up the HR do-nothings so they could promote them if they needed to.

    The layoffs with the defense wind-down came. These two non-entities got laid off with the first wave. As an engineering company we naturally wanted to keep as many engineers as we could. These guys sued because they were discriminated against. They used their superstar performance reviews as proof they were somehow unfairly treated. The reviews for engineers were purposely made tough to hold salaries down. They found an idiot jury and won. Every black in the company cheered when this verdict was announced. The award was for 12 million (probably reduced later) which would have been more money that these two would have been paid in 10 lifetimes.

    This is why you never hire a black. You don't know who you are getting. The odds are that you won't get sued but why take the chance?
    , @The most deplorable one

    In any case, you’re delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.
     
    Of course IQ is not all that matters. Propensity to violence when customers piss you off is another factor that matters.
    , @ben tillman

    In any case, you’re delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.
     
    That's right, but it just underscores the weakness of your trolling. I don't think any of the commenters here believe that.
  165. @anon
    Movies have done a great job convincing the general public that cops are hapless blunderers. Take heart in knowing that the vice squad knew precisely what it was doing!

    They're informational advantage is huge; dwarfs the knowledge/experience of any potential john.

    Former NBA player Greg Anthony was recently caught in a similar sting in DC. Got suspended (or fired) from his broadcasting job.

    Yes, unfortunately that is true. Cops are indeed hapless blunderers who shoot at anything they feel like and there are grand juries who acquit them.

    Although ironically Darren appeared to have been better than 75% of the leo on the street. He would have made a great chief if he were not there.

  166. @jtgw
    "The future belongs to the smart, charismatic, driven people, as it always has."

    So are you just going to repeat what I said or do you have anything new to add?

    Well since you seemed to miss the other pillars in your rush to proclaim nerd superiority, I’d say something was added.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    Am I sensing some jealousy over nerd success? Maybe your popularity as a high-school jock hasn't translated to wealth and power later in life? Yeah, I can hurl sophomoric ad hominems, too! Also, I never said anything about nerds in my original post; clearly you have some unresolved issues about that. All I said was IQ was way better than racism at explaining black social problems. All these theories of "white privilege" fail to account for why Asians do better than whites: if it's about structural racism in favor of whites, then whites should come out on top. IQ, on the other hand, explains both Asians' relative success and blacks' relative failure with respect to whites.
  167. @Jack Hanson
    Well since you seemed to miss the other pillars in your rush to proclaim nerd superiority, I'd say something was added.

    Am I sensing some jealousy over nerd success? Maybe your popularity as a high-school jock hasn’t translated to wealth and power later in life? Yeah, I can hurl sophomoric ad hominems, too! Also, I never said anything about nerds in my original post; clearly you have some unresolved issues about that. All I said was IQ was way better than racism at explaining black social problems. All these theories of “white privilege” fail to account for why Asians do better than whites: if it’s about structural racism in favor of whites, then whites should come out on top. IQ, on the other hand, explains both Asians’ relative success and blacks’ relative failure with respect to whites.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    No, just pointing out that there are other factors than g involved in success. This has apparently provoked a stream of babble that is equal parts projection and hysteria.
  168. @Mike Sylwester
    A small scale conspiracy in the murder of MLK doesn’t seem unlikely, but it seldom seems to come up.

    Gerald Posner wrote a superb book, Killing the Dream, about James Earl Ray, the assassin of Martin Luther King.

    http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Dream-Assassination-Martin-Luther/dp/0156006510

    Posner describes vividly the extreme poverty of Ray's childhood. It was just wretched. He and his family were in the bottom 1% of American Whites.

    Ray began to spend time in prison at about the age of 21. He became extremely racist. He explicitly advocated mass murder of Blacks.

    Ray remained close to a couple of his brothers, who were not as violently racist as he was, but made their livings by various scams. It seems that these three brothers thought that some wealthy racist had offered a lot of money to anyone who killed King.

    There was a small conspiracy just among the Ray brothers. They thought they would make a lot of money. James was glad to be the brother to do the murderous deed, because he hated Blacks so violently.

    I read the book 15 years ago, and I am writing this from memory. I might have some details wrong here. The book was documented very well.

    “It seems that these three brothers thought that some wealthy racist had offered a lot of money to anyone who killed King. There was a small conspiracy just among the Ray brothers. They thought they would make a lot of money.”

    And maybe there was a wealthy doctor somewhere who had put the offer out. Or maybe it was just a stupid prison rumor like the one in “In Cold Blood” that this Kansas family had cash in the walls of their house. But, yeah, a conspiracy of three or four sounds about right.

  169. I’ll give you guys some free advice. Want great cops in your town? Lower their pay. See, cops who have their low pay firmly in mind tend not to be proactive, or aggressive. In my town the cops haven’t had a raise in God knows when, and they’re the coolest cops of anywhere I’ve ever lived, shit you not. Got pulled over for doing 60 in a 45 this week and he gave me a warning. Every cop I meet is a nice, polite guy who seems to hate writing tickets.

    The down side is, DUIs. Low paid cops + town full of drunks = watching the drunks weave all over the road every time you drive near closing time.

    Figuring that the Ferguson shooter is probably black (and a he) isn’t an assumption, it’s an educated guess. And a good one.

    It’s not inconceivable that some thug might trade his handgun and a bag of weed for a rifle.

    It’s also conceivable that the shooter used a handgun. I can hit bottles all day long with my cheapo nine at like 30 paces. It’s not because I practice a lot.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    You may be on to something. The cops in my sleepy little burg are all overpaid (5 of them made over $160K last year and 14 of them made more than the mayor) and they're Napoleonic d-bags to a man. I got pulled over by one of them last year because he thought my license plate was too dirty!
    , @Jack Hanson
    I think you're handwaving a little here. 120 yds with a pistol at night is a trained skill with a honed pistol - your average thug with a HiPoint or .38 ain't someone with this skillset. Even with a carbine or rifle chambered in a pistol round its the sign of someone who has gone out of his way to train in challenging conditions.
  170. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Slimer
    @jtgw

    IQ has a significant effect on social and economic outcomes but it's not all that matters. A few years ago, economist Roland Fryer published a study documenting the relationship between IQ and certain life outcomes (namely, employment and wages). He found that controlling for IQ eliminates some of the racial disparities between blacks and whites, but not all of them. E.g. wages are identical, but blacks are much more likely to be unemployed. Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Furthermore, studies continue to show the prevalence of anti-black discrimination in the labor market (e.g. job applicants w/ "black sounding" names receive fewer call backs, regardless of qualifications). Unfortunately there isn't much literature on IQ and its effect on racial disparities. Fryer's is the only one I know of, and he actually downplays the issue of discrimination. I'd love to see more research in this area though.

    In any case, you're delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    @Svigor

    For somebody who deems blacks inferior, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about them. You've been commenting on Steve Sailer's articles for years. Do you have a life outside of "the sphere"?

    The owner of this site almost single-handedly debunked HBD. You guys can preach it to the choir all you want, but anybody who's read Mr. Unz's series on race and IQ will take your words with a grain of salt. It would be nice if y'all could simply acknowledge that you're scared of black guys, rather than babbling on about IQ.

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    I expect you to say, "I ain't scared o' no blacks. Blacks don't have the IQ to pose a serious threat..." But we all know the truth, bro. Acknowledging your fear won't make you less of a man.

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    Sympathy goes down the drain for a dog that bites you all the time. Then thoughts turn to how to deal with that dog. IQ is not all that matters, that’s why when controlling for it your people still have a gap and that’s because of their poor personal characteristics.

  171. “If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.”

    The irony is that people with down syndrome on average are commit less crimes than Blacks, even though they have lower IQ’s than Blacks.

    So low IQ alone does not cause a person to become a thug, it is low IQ plus high testosterone that causes a person to become a thug.

  172. @Slimer
    @jtgw

    IQ has a significant effect on social and economic outcomes but it's not all that matters. A few years ago, economist Roland Fryer published a study documenting the relationship between IQ and certain life outcomes (namely, employment and wages). He found that controlling for IQ eliminates some of the racial disparities between blacks and whites, but not all of them. E.g. wages are identical, but blacks are much more likely to be unemployed. Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Furthermore, studies continue to show the prevalence of anti-black discrimination in the labor market (e.g. job applicants w/ "black sounding" names receive fewer call backs, regardless of qualifications). Unfortunately there isn't much literature on IQ and its effect on racial disparities. Fryer's is the only one I know of, and he actually downplays the issue of discrimination. I'd love to see more research in this area though.

    In any case, you're delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    @Svigor

    For somebody who deems blacks inferior, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about them. You've been commenting on Steve Sailer's articles for years. Do you have a life outside of "the sphere"?

    The owner of this site almost single-handedly debunked HBD. You guys can preach it to the choir all you want, but anybody who's read Mr. Unz's series on race and IQ will take your words with a grain of salt. It would be nice if y'all could simply acknowledge that you're scared of black guys, rather than babbling on about IQ.

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    I expect you to say, "I ain't scared o' no blacks. Blacks don't have the IQ to pose a serious threat..." But we all know the truth, bro. Acknowledging your fear won't make you less of a man.

    Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Anybody with a brain wants to avoid a potential discrimination lawsuit.

    I worked at a defense contractor during the Reagan years. We hired every black engineer available but that wasn’t enough for the EEOC people. We started hiring do-nothing people and putting them in HR positions where their job was basically to just cash their check on Friday. That still wasn’t enough, we needed more in management. You can’t just take a run-of-the-mill engineer and make him the manager of other engineers who have worked with him and know he is no better than they are. They started talking up the HR do-nothings so they could promote them if they needed to.

    The layoffs with the defense wind-down came. These two non-entities got laid off with the first wave. As an engineering company we naturally wanted to keep as many engineers as we could. These guys sued because they were discriminated against. They used their superstar performance reviews as proof they were somehow unfairly treated. The reviews for engineers were purposely made tough to hold salaries down. They found an idiot jury and won. Every black in the company cheered when this verdict was announced. The award was for 12 million (probably reduced later) which would have been more money that these two would have been paid in 10 lifetimes.

    This is why you never hire a black. You don’t know who you are getting. The odds are that you won’t get sued but why take the chance?

    • Replies: @Truth



    This is why you never hire a black. You don’t know who you are getting. The odds are that you won’t get sued but why take the chance?
     
    I thought you got sued for NOT hiring blacks?
  173. @Mike Sylwester
    The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars.

    Therefore, I will again quote the police report, this time filling in the "[name whited out]" blanks to improve the clarity:


    I received a call for a stealing in progress ….. I went inside to contact a clerk, who was not identified at that time and a patron, who was not identified at that time, who advised the suspect took cigars and pushed [the clerk] on his way out. …..

    [The patron] had just come out of the restroom and returned to the counter, where she observed Brown tell [the clerk] that Brown wanted several boxes of cigars. As [the clerk] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to Johnson, who was standing behind Brown. [The patron] witnessed [the clerk] tell Brown that he had to pay for those cigars first.

    That is when Brown reached across the counter and grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to leave the store.

    [The patron] then calls 911. Meanwhile [the clerk] comes out from behind the counter and attempts to stop Brown from leaving. …. [The clerk] was trying to lock the door until Brown returned the merchandise to him.

    That is when Brown grabbed [the clerk] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack. [The clerk] backed away and Brown and Johnson exited the store with the cigars.
     

    “The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars. ”

    I did not suggest anything of the sort. My suggestion was that the police department willfully and intentionally released half a video to further its own aims.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store

    Now if you want to continue living in a (sort-of) free, democratic country, here is where you ask yourself a question, Chief: Was I aware of the first half of this video until now?

    This thing has been going on for months now, and I was unaware until a few days ago.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    At 1:08, Mike Brown bends over to pick up loose packs of cigars from the ground.

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store. ....

    At 1:29, Mike Brown shoves the male employee.

    At 1:33, Dorian Johnson exits the store.

    At 1:35, Mike Brown's left hand is empty and his right hand can be seen with a few loose packs of cigars.
     
    Is this -- the cigars were not in a box, they were loose -- supposed to be some kind of argument that Michael Brown did not commit a strong-arm robbery?

    Maybe I still do not get your point.
    , @Mike Sylwester

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.
     
    The police report was based on the police officer's interviews of the clerk and of the patron. The report says that the patron called 911 while the clerk tried to lock the door.

    In that situation, I don't understand why you think it's significant that "the store owner never called to report a robbery". After all, the patron already had called to report it.

    With regard to Brown putting the box back onto the counter, I speculate that he grabbed the box and all the cigars spilled out of the box onto the floor. So, he put the empty box back onto the counter and picked up all the loose cigars from the ground. If so, then I do not understand why you see some significance in his leaving the empty box on the counter.

    Truth, I appreciate your spunk in playing the devil's advocate in this blog's comments.

    I don't think you are using your time wisely, however, by trying to raise doubts about the video of the events in the store. Even Dorian Johnson said that Brown stole cigars from the store. Even Eric Holder's Justice Department grants that Brown stole the cigars. Your hair-splitting disputes about this video are peripheral to the controversy. Brown stole a bunch of cigars.

    To use your time more wisely, I suggest that you read the statements of two people (if you already have not done so):

    1) Darren Wilson -- whose testimony to the grand jury begins on page 196 of the following document:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370518-grand-jury-volume-5.html

    Read it with an open mind, suppressing your inclination to dismiss it all as lies.

    2) A 26-year-old bi-racial (White father, Black mother) female, designated as Witness 48 by the county prosecutor and as Witness 104 by the Justice Department. She provided the best confirmation of Wilson's testimony. Her testimony begins at page 43 of this document:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370531-grand-jury-volume-18.html

    The Justice Department concluded its evaluation of this witness as follows:


    All three of Witness 104's statements were consistent with each other, consistent with the physical and forensic evidence, and consistent with other credible witness accounts. Witness 104 does not have a criminal history. Therefore, if called as a defense witness in a prosecuton of Darren Wilson, this witness's account would not be vulnerable to meaningful cross-examination and would not be subject to impeachment due to bias or insconsistencies in prior statements. Accordingly, after a thorough review of all the evidence, federal prosecutors determined her account to be credible, and likewise determined that a jury appropriately would credit her potential testimony.
     
  174. @The most deplorable one
    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.

    Think if it as evolution in action. One more set of bad genes being removed from the gene pool. Brown should be given a Darwin Award.

    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.

    There is no evidence as to what Wilson asked him. He knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.
     
    I think that what you meant to say is that there are various lying weasels making up shit about what went down.

    Given that Brown's blood was found in the vehicle and his DNA was found on the gun it is pretty clear that he reached for the gun.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.
     
    Perhaps the store owners knew about snitches getting stitches.
    , @Jack D
    You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts. A lot more facts have come out since the early days immediately after the shooting. Read Holder's own report - he obviously was not trying to make the Ferguson cops look good. Wilson pulled up to them because they were walking down the middle of the road and asked them to move to the sidewalk (which they refused to do) but then he saw the cigars that Brown was holding and connected them to the radio report. Whether or not there was really a robbery was irrelevant at that point (at the very least he assaulted the clerk) - there had been a 911 report of one and Wilson now had suspects who matched the description.
    , @Mike Sylwester

    He [Wilson] knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.
     
    Read Wilson's testimony to the grand jury, specifically pages 202-209.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370518-grand-jury-volume-5.html

    The Justice Department's report addressed this issue as follows (emphasis added):


    The dispatch recordings and Wilson's radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101 [Dorian Johnson]. .....

    During Wilson's interview with federal authorities. prosecutors and agents focused on whether he was consistent with his previous statements, the motivations for his actions, and his training and experience ..... Federal prosecutors challenged Wilson with specificity about why he stopped Brown and whether he was aware that Brown and Witness 101 were suspects in the Ferguson Market robbery. .... Wilson responded to those challenges in a credible manner, offering reasonable explanations to the questions posed.

    According to FPD [Ferguson Police Department] records, at about 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher called out a "stealing in progress" at the address of the Ferguson Market while Wilson was in the midst of a sick infant call. During his interview with federal officials, Wilson told prosecutors and agents that he heard the call on his portable radio, but did not hear the specifics about the location of the "stealing in progress." He also stated that he heard that one of the suspects was wearing a "black shirt," that they had stolen cigarillos , and were going toward the Quick-Trip. The actual description given was that of a "black male in a white t-shirt," "running toward the Quick-Trip," and that "he took a whole box of Swisher cigars." .... At approximately 11:56 a.m., Witness 145 [another police officer], via radio, added "He's with another male. He's got a red Cardinals hat, white t-shirt, yellow socks, and khaki shorts." ....
     

    Pages 6, 16 and 22 of
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=4
  175. @MarkinLA
    Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Anybody with a brain wants to avoid a potential discrimination lawsuit.

    I worked at a defense contractor during the Reagan years. We hired every black engineer available but that wasn't enough for the EEOC people. We started hiring do-nothing people and putting them in HR positions where their job was basically to just cash their check on Friday. That still wasn't enough, we needed more in management. You can't just take a run-of-the-mill engineer and make him the manager of other engineers who have worked with him and know he is no better than they are. They started talking up the HR do-nothings so they could promote them if they needed to.

    The layoffs with the defense wind-down came. These two non-entities got laid off with the first wave. As an engineering company we naturally wanted to keep as many engineers as we could. These guys sued because they were discriminated against. They used their superstar performance reviews as proof they were somehow unfairly treated. The reviews for engineers were purposely made tough to hold salaries down. They found an idiot jury and won. Every black in the company cheered when this verdict was announced. The award was for 12 million (probably reduced later) which would have been more money that these two would have been paid in 10 lifetimes.

    This is why you never hire a black. You don't know who you are getting. The odds are that you won't get sued but why take the chance?

    This is why you never hire a black. You don’t know who you are getting. The odds are that you won’t get sued but why take the chance?

    I thought you got sued for NOT hiring blacks?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is what people mean when they say "damned if you do and damned if you don't". In a free country you would be able to decide who you wanted to hire. As profit seeking entities, corporations would look for the best people they could find for the least amount of wages , be they brown or green or purple. Even horrible "racists" like Donald Sterling hire lots of black guys to play basketball for them, because greed trumps racism. But now the government steps in and tells you who you should hire and the fun begins.
    , @MarkinLA
    I thought you got sued for NOT hiring blacks?

    You do but that is probably getting harder and harder to prove now that there are other protected minorities you can replace them with. However, once in they do cause more trouble than everybody else.
  176. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Truth

    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.
     
    There is no evidence as to what Wilson asked him. He knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.

    I think that what you meant to say is that there are various lying weasels making up shit about what went down.

    Given that Brown’s blood was found in the vehicle and his DNA was found on the gun it is pretty clear that he reached for the gun.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.

    Perhaps the store owners knew about snitches getting stitches.

    • Replies: @Truth
    "I think that what you meant to say is that there are various lying weasels making up shit about what went down."

    That is accurate; and two of them are Officer Darren Wilson and Police Chief Thomas Jackson.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/report-ferguson-police-chief-lied-about
  177. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Slimer
    @jtgw

    IQ has a significant effect on social and economic outcomes but it's not all that matters. A few years ago, economist Roland Fryer published a study documenting the relationship between IQ and certain life outcomes (namely, employment and wages). He found that controlling for IQ eliminates some of the racial disparities between blacks and whites, but not all of them. E.g. wages are identical, but blacks are much more likely to be unemployed. Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Furthermore, studies continue to show the prevalence of anti-black discrimination in the labor market (e.g. job applicants w/ "black sounding" names receive fewer call backs, regardless of qualifications). Unfortunately there isn't much literature on IQ and its effect on racial disparities. Fryer's is the only one I know of, and he actually downplays the issue of discrimination. I'd love to see more research in this area though.

    In any case, you're delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    @Svigor

    For somebody who deems blacks inferior, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about them. You've been commenting on Steve Sailer's articles for years. Do you have a life outside of "the sphere"?

    The owner of this site almost single-handedly debunked HBD. You guys can preach it to the choir all you want, but anybody who's read Mr. Unz's series on race and IQ will take your words with a grain of salt. It would be nice if y'all could simply acknowledge that you're scared of black guys, rather than babbling on about IQ.

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    I expect you to say, "I ain't scared o' no blacks. Blacks don't have the IQ to pose a serious threat..." But we all know the truth, bro. Acknowledging your fear won't make you less of a man.

    In any case, you’re delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    Of course IQ is not all that matters. Propensity to violence when customers piss you off is another factor that matters.

  178. @Slimer
    @jtgw

    IQ has a significant effect on social and economic outcomes but it's not all that matters. A few years ago, economist Roland Fryer published a study documenting the relationship between IQ and certain life outcomes (namely, employment and wages). He found that controlling for IQ eliminates some of the racial disparities between blacks and whites, but not all of them. E.g. wages are identical, but blacks are much more likely to be unemployed. Black men, in particular, are almost twice as likely to be unemployed even when you control for IQ.

    Furthermore, studies continue to show the prevalence of anti-black discrimination in the labor market (e.g. job applicants w/ "black sounding" names receive fewer call backs, regardless of qualifications). Unfortunately there isn't much literature on IQ and its effect on racial disparities. Fryer's is the only one I know of, and he actually downplays the issue of discrimination. I'd love to see more research in this area though.

    In any case, you're delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    @Svigor

    For somebody who deems blacks inferior, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about them. You've been commenting on Steve Sailer's articles for years. Do you have a life outside of "the sphere"?

    The owner of this site almost single-handedly debunked HBD. You guys can preach it to the choir all you want, but anybody who's read Mr. Unz's series on race and IQ will take your words with a grain of salt. It would be nice if y'all could simply acknowledge that you're scared of black guys, rather than babbling on about IQ.

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    I expect you to say, "I ain't scared o' no blacks. Blacks don't have the IQ to pose a serious threat..." But we all know the truth, bro. Acknowledging your fear won't make you less of a man.

    In any case, you’re delusional if you think IQ is all that matters.

    That’s right, but it just underscores the weakness of your trolling. I don’t think any of the commenters here believe that.

  179. Anecdotes and make believe stories are no match for the study I mentioned.

    The commenter I was responding to said exactly that, so apparently some of the commenters do believe it.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Anecdotes and make believe stories are no match for the study I mentioned.

    Anecdotes and true stories are what people in positions to hire people read about in the business press all the time. The actions of those people in response to what they read ultimately end up as as the data in those studies.
    , @ben tillman
    I stand corrected.

    You're right about that one commenter. That was a classic TLDR, but he's laughably wrong. What matters most in this economy is WHOM YOU KNOW.

    Intelligence correlates with economic success, but far from perfectly. There aren't any employers out there inviting smart people to apply for jobs.
  180. @The most deplorable one

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.
     
    I think that what you meant to say is that there are various lying weasels making up shit about what went down.

    Given that Brown's blood was found in the vehicle and his DNA was found on the gun it is pretty clear that he reached for the gun.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.
     
    Perhaps the store owners knew about snitches getting stitches.

    “I think that what you meant to say is that there are various lying weasels making up shit about what went down.”

    That is accurate; and two of them are Officer Darren Wilson and Police Chief Thomas Jackson.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/report-ferguson-police-chief-lied-about

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Dude, we all know that blacks cannot deal with the fact that selection failed to give them the white advantages.

    You can stop proving it now.
  181. @Harry Baldwin
    I also visited the Texas School Depository and had the same reaction. When you see the view from the window on tv, the lensing makes the distance look longer than it is. (Kind of like when you visit the Capitol and see how small and cramped the house and senate chambers actually are.)

    Beside the distorting effect of the lens, mythic places tend to grow in our minds. The “Grassy Knoll” is not some vast field but a little embankment at the side of the road. Oswald was in a 6th floor window of a building fronting on a city street and Kennedy was in a slow moving limo (they had just made a 90 degree turn off another street) on that street directly in front of him. This was not a difficult shot for someone who had trained in the Marines and had a rifle with a scope. Someone half decent could have made the shot with a pistol. They were right on the edge of town where the city street grid turns into a highway interchange, so afterward in the film you see the limo take off for the hospital, but at the point of the shooting they were still on the grid and going at parade speed – Kennedy was a sitting duck.

    The whole conspiracy theory arose out of the idea that a “nothing” like Oswald was not capable of bringing down a “great man” like Kennedy – someone so great deserved to to have been brought down by some other great force, not a semi-crazy putz with a mail order gun. Of course, in reality the relative status of the men was irrelevant – the bullet doesn’t care.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I can tell you the first time I ever heard the word "conspiracy" spoken was about an hour after the assassination; we were let out of school and after going home I went out with some friends and was engaging in the kind of roaming and gossiping that kids engage in. Some neighbor lady heard us and said, "it was a conspiracy!" and I remember I double-taked because it was such a rare word.

    It's worth keeping in mind that this was just a year after the the Missile Crisis, it was fashionable (at least in the media) to build long term bomb shelters in your backyard, there was a lot of discussion of nuclear holocaust, films like "Manchurian Candidate" were current, and films like "Seven Days in May" and "Dr Strangelove" were right around the corner (based on existing literature), the John Birch Society was a real thing, and Castro was a mini-demon (exceeded only by Khrushchev and Mao). Civil rights (even then) was polarizing, and there was a lot of talk about brain-washing (Korea still on everyone's mind.)

    I am 99.9% sure, and always have been, and I think most people agree, that this was a lone gunman who wanted to kill someone important, whether it be General Walker, Connolly, or Kennedy. But I always set aside the fraction, for this, and a lot of other things, because of the time.

    Certainly the forensics support a single shooter, and it was after all a simple series of shots, from a close distance (less than 100 yds) and the minimum distance in the USMC in those days was 200 yards, sitting, kneeling, and standing, with just plain old iron sights for a head sized bullseye. Adding a scope made it child's play. Basically anyone who ever qualified in the armed services with a rifle could have done it. And that's a lot of people.

    Oliver Stone's "JFK", however, while complete nonsense, is still a great film just because it captures the mentality of the time so perfectly. "Nixon" does the same. We like to think that all of the craziness started with the hippies, but American culture was pretty whacked out even before.
  182. @Truth

    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.
     
    There is no evidence as to what Wilson asked him. He knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.

    You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts. A lot more facts have come out since the early days immediately after the shooting. Read Holder’s own report – he obviously was not trying to make the Ferguson cops look good. Wilson pulled up to them because they were walking down the middle of the road and asked them to move to the sidewalk (which they refused to do) but then he saw the cigars that Brown was holding and connected them to the radio report. Whether or not there was really a robbery was irrelevant at that point (at the very least he assaulted the clerk) – there had been a 911 report of one and Wilson now had suspects who matched the description.

  183. @Truth



    This is why you never hire a black. You don’t know who you are getting. The odds are that you won’t get sued but why take the chance?
     
    I thought you got sued for NOT hiring blacks?

    This is what people mean when they say “damned if you do and damned if you don’t”. In a free country you would be able to decide who you wanted to hire. As profit seeking entities, corporations would look for the best people they could find for the least amount of wages , be they brown or green or purple. Even horrible “racists” like Donald Sterling hire lots of black guys to play basketball for them, because greed trumps racism. But now the government steps in and tells you who you should hire and the fun begins.

  184. @WowJustWow
    Yup, if there's one thing I learned from the media and public school, it's that the shooter is always a right-wing nut, like Lee Harvey Oswald, Thomas Hagan, or Jared Lee Loughner.

    Oswald a right wing nut? He defected to the Soviet Union, fer crissakes.

  185. @Svigor
    I'll give you guys some free advice. Want great cops in your town? Lower their pay. See, cops who have their low pay firmly in mind tend not to be proactive, or aggressive. In my town the cops haven't had a raise in God knows when, and they're the coolest cops of anywhere I've ever lived, shit you not. Got pulled over for doing 60 in a 45 this week and he gave me a warning. Every cop I meet is a nice, polite guy who seems to hate writing tickets.

    The down side is, DUIs. Low paid cops + town full of drunks = watching the drunks weave all over the road every time you drive near closing time.

    Figuring that the Ferguson shooter is probably black (and a he) isn't an assumption, it's an educated guess. And a good one.

    It’s not inconceivable that some thug might trade his handgun and a bag of weed for a rifle.
     
    It's also conceivable that the shooter used a handgun. I can hit bottles all day long with my cheapo nine at like 30 paces. It's not because I practice a lot.

    You may be on to something. The cops in my sleepy little burg are all overpaid (5 of them made over $160K last year and 14 of them made more than the mayor) and they’re Napoleonic d-bags to a man. I got pulled over by one of them last year because he thought my license plate was too dirty!

  186. @Truth



    This is why you never hire a black. You don’t know who you are getting. The odds are that you won’t get sued but why take the chance?
     
    I thought you got sued for NOT hiring blacks?

    I thought you got sued for NOT hiring blacks?

    You do but that is probably getting harder and harder to prove now that there are other protected minorities you can replace them with. However, once in they do cause more trouble than everybody else.

  187. @Slimer
    @MarkinLA

    Anecdotes and make believe stories are no match for the study I mentioned.

    @ben tillman

    The commenter I was responding to said exactly that, so apparently some of the commenters do believe it.

    Anecdotes and make believe stories are no match for the study I mentioned.

    Anecdotes and true stories are what people in positions to hire people read about in the business press all the time. The actions of those people in response to what they read ultimately end up as as the data in those studies.

  188. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Truth
    "I think that what you meant to say is that there are various lying weasels making up shit about what went down."

    That is accurate; and two of them are Officer Darren Wilson and Police Chief Thomas Jackson.

    http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/report-ferguson-police-chief-lied-about

    Dude, we all know that blacks cannot deal with the fact that selection failed to give them the white advantages.

    You can stop proving it now.

  189. @jtgw
    Am I sensing some jealousy over nerd success? Maybe your popularity as a high-school jock hasn't translated to wealth and power later in life? Yeah, I can hurl sophomoric ad hominems, too! Also, I never said anything about nerds in my original post; clearly you have some unresolved issues about that. All I said was IQ was way better than racism at explaining black social problems. All these theories of "white privilege" fail to account for why Asians do better than whites: if it's about structural racism in favor of whites, then whites should come out on top. IQ, on the other hand, explains both Asians' relative success and blacks' relative failure with respect to whites.

    No, just pointing out that there are other factors than g involved in success. This has apparently provoked a stream of babble that is equal parts projection and hysteria.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    Blacks have higher self-esteem and confidence than whites, and yet they perform worse. Asians have even less self-esteem than whites, and yet they outperform whites. So, no, sorry, I'm not convinced. We live in an IQ-stratified society. Deal with it.

    Sure, if you have charisma in addition to smarts, it helps, but charisma without smarts is not a ticket to success these days.
  190. In a free country you would be able to decide who you wanted to hire.

    When I pay taxes on a loaf of bread, do I get to choose in front of which companies they fix the potholes in the street?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Son, you live in a pretty confiscatory place if you pay taxes on a loaf of bread. Even the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts refrains from taxing food.
  191. @Truth

    "The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars. "

     

    I did not suggest anything of the sort. My suggestion was that the police department willfully and intentionally released half a video to further its own aims.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store

    Now if you want to continue living in a (sort-of) free, democratic country, here is where you ask yourself a question, Chief: Was I aware of the first half of this video until now?

    This thing has been going on for months now, and I was unaware until a few days ago.

    At 1:08, Mike Brown bends over to pick up loose packs of cigars from the ground.

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store. ….

    At 1:29, Mike Brown shoves the male employee.

    At 1:33, Dorian Johnson exits the store.

    At 1:35, Mike Brown’s left hand is empty and his right hand can be seen with a few loose packs of cigars.

    Is this — the cigars were not in a box, they were loose — supposed to be some kind of argument that Michael Brown did not commit a strong-arm robbery?

    Maybe I still do not get your point.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester
    Do you, Truth, think that Michael Brown paid for the cigars? Do you doubt that he stole them?

    Dorian Johnson testified that Brown stole them.

    Not even Eric Holder's Justice Department doubts that he stole them.

    You seem to be splitting hairs.

    * The cigars were loose !!!

    * They were not in a box !!!

    * The patron -- not the clerk !!!! - called the police !!!!!

  192. @Mike Sylwester

    At 1:08, Mike Brown bends over to pick up loose packs of cigars from the ground.

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store. ....

    At 1:29, Mike Brown shoves the male employee.

    At 1:33, Dorian Johnson exits the store.

    At 1:35, Mike Brown's left hand is empty and his right hand can be seen with a few loose packs of cigars.
     
    Is this -- the cigars were not in a box, they were loose -- supposed to be some kind of argument that Michael Brown did not commit a strong-arm robbery?

    Maybe I still do not get your point.

    Do you, Truth, think that Michael Brown paid for the cigars? Do you doubt that he stole them?

    Dorian Johnson testified that Brown stole them.

    Not even Eric Holder’s Justice Department doubts that he stole them.

    You seem to be splitting hairs.

    * The cigars were loose !!!

    * They were not in a box !!!

    * The patron — not the clerk !!!! – called the police !!!!!

  193. @Jefferson
    "Cops vs blacks? Two groups of violent thugs, not much difference between the two. America would be better off if both sides lose."

    Without cops, Black on White violence would be even higher than it currently is in the U.S if we lived in a lawless Purge like society where are all crimes are legal and the only law is there are no laws.

    The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4htIDMuIT9k

    “The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement.”

    Well… maybe. The existence of “law enforcement” (ie, threat of prison rape) is also the only reason there is no white counter-action to black crimes. I tend to think whites would come out way ahead in a “purge” scenario.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Well… maybe. The existence of “law enforcement” (ie, threat of prison rape) is also the only reason there is no white counter-action to black crimes. I tend to think whites would come out way ahead in a “purge” scenario."

    Blacks would come out way ahead of Whites in a purge like society because most Blacks are already used to living in a high crime jungle area full of uncivilized animals. Most Whites live in low crime neighborhoods and thus have become too soft. Most Whites are not exposed to the daily reality of the every man for himself urban inner city streets. Most Whites are sheltered from neighborhoods that have drive by shootings, constant street fist fights, gang wars, and crack houses.

    Very few Whites live in neighborhoods that resemble the ones in World Star Hip Hop.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUBC-ciCV0

    That is why Blacks would definitely have the upper hand over Whites if America today decided to adopt a violent anarchist society with no laws.

  194. @Jack D
    Beside the distorting effect of the lens, mythic places tend to grow in our minds. The "Grassy Knoll" is not some vast field but a little embankment at the side of the road. Oswald was in a 6th floor window of a building fronting on a city street and Kennedy was in a slow moving limo (they had just made a 90 degree turn off another street) on that street directly in front of him. This was not a difficult shot for someone who had trained in the Marines and had a rifle with a scope. Someone half decent could have made the shot with a pistol. They were right on the edge of town where the city street grid turns into a highway interchange, so afterward in the film you see the limo take off for the hospital, but at the point of the shooting they were still on the grid and going at parade speed - Kennedy was a sitting duck.

    The whole conspiracy theory arose out of the idea that a "nothing" like Oswald was not capable of bringing down a "great man" like Kennedy - someone so great deserved to to have been brought down by some other great force, not a semi-crazy putz with a mail order gun. Of course, in reality the relative status of the men was irrelevant - the bullet doesn't care.

    I can tell you the first time I ever heard the word “conspiracy” spoken was about an hour after the assassination; we were let out of school and after going home I went out with some friends and was engaging in the kind of roaming and gossiping that kids engage in. Some neighbor lady heard us and said, “it was a conspiracy!” and I remember I double-taked because it was such a rare word.

    It’s worth keeping in mind that this was just a year after the the Missile Crisis, it was fashionable (at least in the media) to build long term bomb shelters in your backyard, there was a lot of discussion of nuclear holocaust, films like “Manchurian Candidate” were current, and films like “Seven Days in May” and “Dr Strangelove” were right around the corner (based on existing literature), the John Birch Society was a real thing, and Castro was a mini-demon (exceeded only by Khrushchev and Mao). Civil rights (even then) was polarizing, and there was a lot of talk about brain-washing (Korea still on everyone’s mind.)

    I am 99.9% sure, and always have been, and I think most people agree, that this was a lone gunman who wanted to kill someone important, whether it be General Walker, Connolly, or Kennedy. But I always set aside the fraction, for this, and a lot of other things, because of the time.

    Certainly the forensics support a single shooter, and it was after all a simple series of shots, from a close distance (less than 100 yds) and the minimum distance in the USMC in those days was 200 yards, sitting, kneeling, and standing, with just plain old iron sights for a head sized bullseye. Adding a scope made it child’s play. Basically anyone who ever qualified in the armed services with a rifle could have done it. And that’s a lot of people.

    Oliver Stone’s “JFK”, however, while complete nonsense, is still a great film just because it captures the mentality of the time so perfectly. “Nixon” does the same. We like to think that all of the craziness started with the hippies, but American culture was pretty whacked out even before.

  195. @Svigor
    I'll give you guys some free advice. Want great cops in your town? Lower their pay. See, cops who have their low pay firmly in mind tend not to be proactive, or aggressive. In my town the cops haven't had a raise in God knows when, and they're the coolest cops of anywhere I've ever lived, shit you not. Got pulled over for doing 60 in a 45 this week and he gave me a warning. Every cop I meet is a nice, polite guy who seems to hate writing tickets.

    The down side is, DUIs. Low paid cops + town full of drunks = watching the drunks weave all over the road every time you drive near closing time.

    Figuring that the Ferguson shooter is probably black (and a he) isn't an assumption, it's an educated guess. And a good one.

    It’s not inconceivable that some thug might trade his handgun and a bag of weed for a rifle.
     
    It's also conceivable that the shooter used a handgun. I can hit bottles all day long with my cheapo nine at like 30 paces. It's not because I practice a lot.

    I think you’re handwaving a little here. 120 yds with a pistol at night is a trained skill with a honed pistol – your average thug with a HiPoint or .38 ain’t someone with this skillset. Even with a carbine or rifle chambered in a pistol round its the sign of someone who has gone out of his way to train in challenging conditions.

  196. @Truth

    "The commentator Truth continues to suggest that Michael Brown did try to pay for the cigars. "

     

    I did not suggest anything of the sort. My suggestion was that the police department willfully and intentionally released half a video to further its own aims.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store

    Now if you want to continue living in a (sort-of) free, democratic country, here is where you ask yourself a question, Chief: Was I aware of the first half of this video until now?

    This thing has been going on for months now, and I was unaware until a few days ago.

    The store owner never called to report a robbery and both boxes of cigars were placed on the counter before leaving.

    The police report was based on the police officer’s interviews of the clerk and of the patron. The report says that the patron called 911 while the clerk tried to lock the door.

    In that situation, I don’t understand why you think it’s significant that “the store owner never called to report a robbery”. After all, the patron already had called to report it.

    With regard to Brown putting the box back onto the counter, I speculate that he grabbed the box and all the cigars spilled out of the box onto the floor. So, he put the empty box back onto the counter and picked up all the loose cigars from the ground. If so, then I do not understand why you see some significance in his leaving the empty box on the counter.

    Truth, I appreciate your spunk in playing the devil’s advocate in this blog’s comments.

    I don’t think you are using your time wisely, however, by trying to raise doubts about the video of the events in the store. Even Dorian Johnson said that Brown stole cigars from the store. Even Eric Holder’s Justice Department grants that Brown stole the cigars. Your hair-splitting disputes about this video are peripheral to the controversy. Brown stole a bunch of cigars.

    To use your time more wisely, I suggest that you read the statements of two people (if you already have not done so):

    1) Darren Wilson — whose testimony to the grand jury begins on page 196 of the following document:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370518-grand-jury-volume-5.html

    Read it with an open mind, suppressing your inclination to dismiss it all as lies.

    2) A 26-year-old bi-racial (White father, Black mother) female, designated as Witness 48 by the county prosecutor and as Witness 104 by the Justice Department. She provided the best confirmation of Wilson’s testimony. Her testimony begins at page 43 of this document:
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370531-grand-jury-volume-18.html

    The Justice Department concluded its evaluation of this witness as follows:

    All three of Witness 104’s statements were consistent with each other, consistent with the physical and forensic evidence, and consistent with other credible witness accounts. Witness 104 does not have a criminal history. Therefore, if called as a defense witness in a prosecuton of Darren Wilson, this witness’s account would not be vulnerable to meaningful cross-examination and would not be subject to impeachment due to bias or insconsistencies in prior statements. Accordingly, after a thorough review of all the evidence, federal prosecutors determined her account to be credible, and likewise determined that a jury appropriately would credit her potential testimony.

  197. @Slimer
    @MarkinLA

    Anecdotes and make believe stories are no match for the study I mentioned.

    @ben tillman

    The commenter I was responding to said exactly that, so apparently some of the commenters do believe it.

    I stand corrected.

    You’re right about that one commenter. That was a classic TLDR, but he’s laughably wrong. What matters most in this economy is WHOM YOU KNOW.

    Intelligence correlates with economic success, but far from perfectly. There aren’t any employers out there inviting smart people to apply for jobs.

  198. @Truth

    A normal person when asked by the cops whether or not he paid for the stuff he is holding (even if the cop imagined he was holding stuff) would not assault the cop and reach for his gun.
     
    There is no evidence as to what Wilson asked him. He knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.

    There is varying testimony as to the rest of the events.

    He [Wilson] knew of no crime being committed. He saw some kids walking in the street.

    Read Wilson’s testimony to the grand jury, specifically pages 202-209.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370518-grand-jury-volume-5.html

    The Justice Department’s report addressed this issue as follows (emphasis added):

    The dispatch recordings and Wilson’s radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101 [Dorian Johnson]. …..

    During Wilson’s interview with federal authorities. prosecutors and agents focused on whether he was consistent with his previous statements, the motivations for his actions, and his training and experience ….. Federal prosecutors challenged Wilson with specificity about why he stopped Brown and whether he was aware that Brown and Witness 101 were suspects in the Ferguson Market robbery. …. Wilson responded to those challenges in a credible manner, offering reasonable explanations to the questions posed.

    According to FPD [Ferguson Police Department] records, at about 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher called out a “stealing in progress” at the address of the Ferguson Market while Wilson was in the midst of a sick infant call. During his interview with federal officials, Wilson told prosecutors and agents that he heard the call on his portable radio, but did not hear the specifics about the location of the “stealing in progress.” He also stated that he heard that one of the suspects was wearing a “black shirt,” that they had stolen cigarillos , and were going toward the Quick-Trip. The actual description given was that of a “black male in a white t-shirt,” “running toward the Quick-Trip,” and that “he took a whole box of Swisher cigars.” …. At approximately 11:56 a.m., Witness 145 [another police officer], via radio, added “He’s with another male. He’s got a red Cardinals hat, white t-shirt, yellow socks, and khaki shorts.” ….

    Pages 6, 16 and 22 of
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=4

  199. @Jack Hanson
    No, just pointing out that there are other factors than g involved in success. This has apparently provoked a stream of babble that is equal parts projection and hysteria.

    Blacks have higher self-esteem and confidence than whites, and yet they perform worse. Asians have even less self-esteem than whites, and yet they outperform whites. So, no, sorry, I’m not convinced. We live in an IQ-stratified society. Deal with it.

    Sure, if you have charisma in addition to smarts, it helps, but charisma without smarts is not a ticket to success these days.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I don't know if IQ is not over-valued. I think it is.

    Moderate IQ coupled with self-discipline, impulse control, specific goals, inner sense of shame that disallows you to relax too much for too long, and/or employers or spouses who demand a lot from you: all of these things are part of the mix. And, yes, for many high performance individuals insecurity (I can never have enough money, or enough approval) and strong ego in the sense of pride/shame in any social context can also "make Sammy run."

    What I have seen with low performing individuals of all colors is that they live within a certain limited set of expectations and are likely to dismiss long trajectory items (advanced degrees, mathematical and/or technical and scientific studies) as not worth the effort. And, yes, there's a certain fear of failure, too.

    I keep hearing about IQ but the fact is most people aren't going to accomplish anything conceptually incredible in their lifetimes. But a lot of people -- say, 30%-40% -- would have no trouble mastering the vocabulary of an 800 GRE score, or learning basic stats, prob, and calculus. Black people, too. But to do that they would have to have not only the raw intelligence they have, but also, self-discipline, impulse control, and sufficient spirit not to give up. But let's also face it, most people, of any color, don't have that; and if they are pushed by their Tiger Moms to have that in childhood, they are likely to regress once they escape from prison, er, home.

    As for who you know: Absolutely. What I have seen of hiring practices is that "cold hires" are rare, mostly people hire people they know or people who know people who know people. Like it or not.
    , @Jack Hanson
    As Ive been saying, its the whole package.

    If we are going to run to anecdotes I know plenty of smart & lazy whites/asians/persians who drop out of life once mommy and daddy stop pushing them to excel.

    Blacks are often dumb and have little drive, even if they are charismatic. Black charisma is overrated in the same way BM/WW relationships are as well by the same Usual Suspects. The average black is a slouching slouching, mumbling unemployed goof with stupid hair who shouts rap songs out of the blue. Hardly the debonair jazz player that Hollywood wants you thinking is under the skin of every Lafernee out there.

    Face it: nothing has changed and while high iq is better to have than charisma, alo e its nothing without drive alone. As it alwayshas been.
  200. @jtgw
    Blacks have higher self-esteem and confidence than whites, and yet they perform worse. Asians have even less self-esteem than whites, and yet they outperform whites. So, no, sorry, I'm not convinced. We live in an IQ-stratified society. Deal with it.

    Sure, if you have charisma in addition to smarts, it helps, but charisma without smarts is not a ticket to success these days.

    I don’t know if IQ is not over-valued. I think it is.

    Moderate IQ coupled with self-discipline, impulse control, specific goals, inner sense of shame that disallows you to relax too much for too long, and/or employers or spouses who demand a lot from you: all of these things are part of the mix. And, yes, for many high performance individuals insecurity (I can never have enough money, or enough approval) and strong ego in the sense of pride/shame in any social context can also “make Sammy run.”

    What I have seen with low performing individuals of all colors is that they live within a certain limited set of expectations and are likely to dismiss long trajectory items (advanced degrees, mathematical and/or technical and scientific studies) as not worth the effort. And, yes, there’s a certain fear of failure, too.

    I keep hearing about IQ but the fact is most people aren’t going to accomplish anything conceptually incredible in their lifetimes. But a lot of people — say, 30%-40% — would have no trouble mastering the vocabulary of an 800 GRE score, or learning basic stats, prob, and calculus. Black people, too. But to do that they would have to have not only the raw intelligence they have, but also, self-discipline, impulse control, and sufficient spirit not to give up. But let’s also face it, most people, of any color, don’t have that; and if they are pushed by their Tiger Moms to have that in childhood, they are likely to regress once they escape from prison, er, home.

    As for who you know: Absolutely. What I have seen of hiring practices is that “cold hires” are rare, mostly people hire people they know or people who know people who know people. Like it or not.

  201. OK, it’s very difficult with an audience that is as biased as it is here, but I will try again:

    What is significant is not whether Brown stole, or did not steal, cigars. He was not killed for stealing cigars. Was is significant is that there is THE LOGICAL POSSIBILITY that he did not steal the cigars. There is EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED that contradicts the police story (as well as evidence that dovetails with it).

    And what is REALLY significant, is that YOUR Ferguson police department WHOM YOU (in the larger since) PAY, LIED TO YOU, AND WILLFULLY MISLEAD YOU, BY RELEASING A INCOMPLETE AND LEADING account of the events.

    If they would LIE AND MISLEAD about this, what else would they do it about?

    Now gentlemen, you are happy that THAT GOD-DAMNED N- GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!!! and that wonderful, honest, white peace officer is now a multimillionaire and he deserved that; I get that, this in none of my concern, nor do I pass judgement on you for it, nor do I harbor larger expectations of you.

    What is ultimately significant here, is do you want to retain your civil rights in the larger, more significant sense, or do you want to be cowering in your boots at the threat of the KGB knocking on your door with no “community organizers to help?

    I can’t make it any more simple than that.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    what is REALLY significant, is that YOUR Ferguson police department WHOM YOU (in the larger since) PAY, LIED TO YOU, AND WILLFULLY MISLEAD YOU, BY RELEASING A INCOMPLETE AND LEADING account of the events.
     
    Truth, you provided a link ....

    http://aattp.org/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-to-show-brown-paying-for-cigarillos-video/

    ... to an article that is dated August 18, 2014, which was nine days after the Ferguson incident, which occurred on August 9.

    The August 18 article was written about the entire video that was released to the public on August 15, which was six days after the incident.

    Anybody in the public who wanted to watch and analyze the entire video was able to do so. For example, John Prager posted an article about the entire video on August 18. Ever since then, Prager's article has been available for the public to read and discuss. Now you have linked to that article in this thread.

    You are treating Prager's article as something brand new, even though it's about seven months old.

    The problem with Prager's article is that the evidence that Brown did not pay for the cigarillos is overwhelming.

    * A police officer came to the store right after that incident and interviewed the clerk and a patron. Subsequently the officer wrote a police report based on those two interviews. The police report said that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    * Dorian Johnson said that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    * The video shows Brown taking the cigarillos without paying for them.

    The US Justice Department had and studied all the evidence and concluded that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    It seems to me that Brown when grabbed the box of cigarillos, he accidentally spilled all the cigarillos out of the box onto the floor. He put the empty box onto the counter and picked up the loose cigarillos from the floor.

    When Brown was walking out of the store, the clerk ran to the door to try to lock it. Meanwhile the patron, standing nearby, used her cell phone to call 911. That's what the police report says.

    Because the patron, standing nearby, called 911, the clerk did not bother to do so. The police officer arrived immediately and interviewed the patron and clerk.

    The fact that the clerk did not call 911 to report the robbery is not significant.

    You have called police officer Wilson a liar about the incident. Please tell us someone else who, in your opinion, told the truth about the incident. Then let's look at the US Justice Department's report to see what it says about that person's statements.

  202. @27 year old
    "The only reason there is not a gruesome Black on White Knoxville type massacre every single day in this country is because of the existence of law enforcement."

    Well... maybe. The existence of "law enforcement" (ie, threat of prison rape) is also the only reason there is no white counter-action to black crimes. I tend to think whites would come out way ahead in a "purge" scenario.

    “Well… maybe. The existence of “law enforcement” (ie, threat of prison rape) is also the only reason there is no white counter-action to black crimes. I tend to think whites would come out way ahead in a “purge” scenario.”

    Blacks would come out way ahead of Whites in a purge like society because most Blacks are already used to living in a high crime jungle area full of uncivilized animals. Most Whites live in low crime neighborhoods and thus have become too soft. Most Whites are not exposed to the daily reality of the every man for himself urban inner city streets. Most Whites are sheltered from neighborhoods that have drive by shootings, constant street fist fights, gang wars, and crack houses.

    Very few Whites live in neighborhoods that resemble the ones in World Star Hip Hop.

    That is why Blacks would definitely have the upper hand over Whites if America today decided to adopt a violent anarchist society with no laws.

  203. @jtgw
    Blacks have higher self-esteem and confidence than whites, and yet they perform worse. Asians have even less self-esteem than whites, and yet they outperform whites. So, no, sorry, I'm not convinced. We live in an IQ-stratified society. Deal with it.

    Sure, if you have charisma in addition to smarts, it helps, but charisma without smarts is not a ticket to success these days.

    As Ive been saying, its the whole package.

    If we are going to run to anecdotes I know plenty of smart & lazy whites/asians/persians who drop out of life once mommy and daddy stop pushing them to excel.

    Blacks are often dumb and have little drive, even if they are charismatic. Black charisma is overrated in the same way BM/WW relationships are as well by the same Usual Suspects. The average black is a slouching slouching, mumbling unemployed goof with stupid hair who shouts rap songs out of the blue. Hardly the debonair jazz player that Hollywood wants you thinking is under the skin of every Lafernee out there.

    Face it: nothing has changed and while high iq is better to have than charisma, alo e its nothing without drive alone. As it alwayshas been.

  204. “Mike Sylwester says:

    Truth, I appreciate your spunk in playing the devil’s advocate in this blog’s comments.”

    He isn’t. He is running interference for his race brothers. He’s always prepared to stick up for blacks behaving badly. That’s what he does. That’s all he does.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Grasshopper, I'm afraid I may have been premature in arrowing you to reave the tempre. Prease retrurn. Your practice is far from comprete.
  205. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    My brother is a Liberal, and he says that it’s all the fault of the White Man. I don’t argue because it wouldn’t be worth it.

    No need to argue. Just tell him there’s only one white man who made him marry into a family full of racists, so he’s almost right: a white man, not the White Man.

    When a guy who supports anti-freedom (“anti-discrimination”) laws starts invoking the “free country” thing, it’s time to laugh.

    For somebody who deems blacks inferior, you sure do spend a lot of time thinking about them. You’ve been commenting on Steve Sailer’s articles for years. Do you have a life outside of “the sphere”?

    The owner of this site almost single-handedly debunked HBD. You guys can preach it to the choir all you want, but anybody who’s read Mr. Unz’s series on race and IQ will take your words with a grain of salt. It would be nice if y’all could simply acknowledge that you’re scared of black guys, rather than babbling on about IQ.

    That seems an unusual stance for an egalitarian. If the races are equal, why would anyone be scared of blacks? Even the irrational fear of x should be evenly distributed, no?

    P.S., if I wanted to characterize blacks as inferior, I would; no need to worry about what I “deem” (what is it with leftists and their imaginary powers of telepathy?).

    If your uneasiness were really about intelligence, you would display the kind of sympathy towards blacks that one displays towards the mentally challenged.

    Not if the elite, society, media, culture, etc., dealt with the mentally challenged the way it deals with blacks.

    But I guess if armchair psychoanalysis is all you’ve got, it’s what you go with.

    You may be on to something. The cops in my sleepy little burg are all overpaid (5 of them made over $160K last year and 14 of them made more than the mayor) and they’re Napoleonic d-bags to a man. I got pulled over by one of them last year because he thought my license plate was too dirty!

    Oh, I forgot to give the idea’s pedigree: cops themselves. I read it on a cop forum. So I’m definitely on to something. It never would have occurred to me. I’d have thought the opposite (“let’s harass them until they raise our pay”).

    When I pay taxes on a loaf of bread, do I get to choose in front of which companies they fix the potholes in the street?

    So, big gov’t is used to justify the loss of freedom, big news there.

    I think you’re handwaving a little here. 120 yds with a pistol at night is a trained skill with a honed pistol – your average thug with a HiPoint or .38 ain’t someone with this skillset. Even with a carbine or rifle chambered in a pistol round its the sign of someone who has gone out of his way to train in challenging conditions.

    Maybe, but I’m not sure it was 120 yards, because I’ve barely glanced at the coverage and what heard wasn’t sure, either.

  206. @Mr. Anon
    "Mike Sylwester says:

    Truth, I appreciate your spunk in playing the devil’s advocate in this blog’s comments."

    He isn't. He is running interference for his race brothers. He's always prepared to stick up for blacks behaving badly. That's what he does. That's all he does.

    Grasshopper, I’m afraid I may have been premature in arrowing you to reave the tempre. Prease retrurn. Your practice is far from comprete.

    • Replies: @JSM
    THAT'S RACIST!
  207. @Truth

    In a free country you would be able to decide who you wanted to hire.
     
    When I pay taxes on a loaf of bread, do I get to choose in front of which companies they fix the potholes in the street?

    Son, you live in a pretty confiscatory place if you pay taxes on a loaf of bread. Even the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts refrains from taxing food.

  208. @Tom
    Occam's Razor. He nailed Kennedy from hundreds of yards. He spent time in the Soviet Union. Etc.

    He was a nut job who accomplished his mission.

    Oswald was shot and killed by Jack Rubinstein. Why did he do it answers the question as to who killed JFK. Many false mirrors and diversions in the assassination but not with Oswald’s killing.

  209. .

    Very few Whites live in neighborhoods that resemble the ones in World Star Hip Hop.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyUBC-ciCV0

    That is a capital idea, Jeff. You and the rest of the Unzistas could start a fight club. Travel to each others cities and beat the crap of each others, just to prepare for the impending race war.

  210. @Truth
    OK, it's very difficult with an audience that is as biased as it is here, but I will try again:

    What is significant is not whether Brown stole, or did not steal, cigars. He was not killed for stealing cigars. Was is significant is that there is THE LOGICAL POSSIBILITY that he did not steal the cigars. There is EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED that contradicts the police story (as well as evidence that dovetails with it).

    And what is REALLY significant, is that YOUR Ferguson police department WHOM YOU (in the larger since) PAY, LIED TO YOU, AND WILLFULLY MISLEAD YOU, BY RELEASING A INCOMPLETE AND LEADING account of the events.

    If they would LIE AND MISLEAD about this, what else would they do it about?

    Now gentlemen, you are happy that THAT GOD-DAMNED N- GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!!! and that wonderful, honest, white peace officer is now a multimillionaire and he deserved that; I get that, this in none of my concern, nor do I pass judgement on you for it, nor do I harbor larger expectations of you.

    What is ultimately significant here, is do you want to retain your civil rights in the larger, more significant sense, or do you want to be cowering in your boots at the threat of the KGB knocking on your door with no "community organizers to help?

    I can't make it any more simple than that.

    what is REALLY significant, is that YOUR Ferguson police department WHOM YOU (in the larger since) PAY, LIED TO YOU, AND WILLFULLY MISLEAD YOU, BY RELEASING A INCOMPLETE AND LEADING account of the events.

    Truth, you provided a link ….

    http://aattp.org/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-to-show-brown-paying-for-cigarillos-video/

    … to an article that is dated August 18, 2014, which was nine days after the Ferguson incident, which occurred on August 9.

    The August 18 article was written about the entire video that was released to the public on August 15, which was six days after the incident.

    Anybody in the public who wanted to watch and analyze the entire video was able to do so. For example, John Prager posted an article about the entire video on August 18. Ever since then, Prager’s article has been available for the public to read and discuss. Now you have linked to that article in this thread.

    You are treating Prager’s article as something brand new, even though it’s about seven months old.

    The problem with Prager’s article is that the evidence that Brown did not pay for the cigarillos is overwhelming.

    * A police officer came to the store right after that incident and interviewed the clerk and a patron. Subsequently the officer wrote a police report based on those two interviews. The police report said that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    * Dorian Johnson said that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    * The video shows Brown taking the cigarillos without paying for them.

    The US Justice Department had and studied all the evidence and concluded that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    It seems to me that Brown when grabbed the box of cigarillos, he accidentally spilled all the cigarillos out of the box onto the floor. He put the empty box onto the counter and picked up the loose cigarillos from the floor.

    When Brown was walking out of the store, the clerk ran to the door to try to lock it. Meanwhile the patron, standing nearby, used her cell phone to call 911. That’s what the police report says.

    Because the patron, standing nearby, called 911, the clerk did not bother to do so. The police officer arrived immediately and interviewed the patron and clerk.

    The fact that the clerk did not call 911 to report the robbery is not significant.

    You have called police officer Wilson a liar about the incident. Please tell us someone else who, in your opinion, told the truth about the incident. Then let’s look at the US Justice Department’s report to see what it says about that person’s statements.

    • Replies: @Truth
    Hey Mike, Touche.

    I never really considered that the video could have been edited by the media, in order to bring white people to a froth, rather than the police department - nor do I have the time, or interest to research it right now after 6 or 7 back-and-forths.

    Why don't we just pick the sentiment up on the next cop-shooting next week?
  211. @Mike Sylwester

    what is REALLY significant, is that YOUR Ferguson police department WHOM YOU (in the larger since) PAY, LIED TO YOU, AND WILLFULLY MISLEAD YOU, BY RELEASING A INCOMPLETE AND LEADING account of the events.
     
    Truth, you provided a link ....

    http://aattp.org/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-to-show-brown-paying-for-cigarillos-video/

    ... to an article that is dated August 18, 2014, which was nine days after the Ferguson incident, which occurred on August 9.

    The August 18 article was written about the entire video that was released to the public on August 15, which was six days after the incident.

    Anybody in the public who wanted to watch and analyze the entire video was able to do so. For example, John Prager posted an article about the entire video on August 18. Ever since then, Prager's article has been available for the public to read and discuss. Now you have linked to that article in this thread.

    You are treating Prager's article as something brand new, even though it's about seven months old.

    The problem with Prager's article is that the evidence that Brown did not pay for the cigarillos is overwhelming.

    * A police officer came to the store right after that incident and interviewed the clerk and a patron. Subsequently the officer wrote a police report based on those two interviews. The police report said that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    * Dorian Johnson said that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    * The video shows Brown taking the cigarillos without paying for them.

    The US Justice Department had and studied all the evidence and concluded that Brown took the cigarillos without paying for them.

    It seems to me that Brown when grabbed the box of cigarillos, he accidentally spilled all the cigarillos out of the box onto the floor. He put the empty box onto the counter and picked up the loose cigarillos from the floor.

    When Brown was walking out of the store, the clerk ran to the door to try to lock it. Meanwhile the patron, standing nearby, used her cell phone to call 911. That's what the police report says.

    Because the patron, standing nearby, called 911, the clerk did not bother to do so. The police officer arrived immediately and interviewed the patron and clerk.

    The fact that the clerk did not call 911 to report the robbery is not significant.

    You have called police officer Wilson a liar about the incident. Please tell us someone else who, in your opinion, told the truth about the incident. Then let's look at the US Justice Department's report to see what it says about that person's statements.

    Hey Mike, Touche.

    I never really considered that the video could have been edited by the media, in order to bring white people to a froth, rather than the police department – nor do I have the time, or interest to research it right now after 6 or 7 back-and-forths.

    Why don’t we just pick the sentiment up on the next cop-shooting next week?

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    At 0:43, Mike Brown grabs a box of cigars.

    At 0:48, Mike Brown hands the box of cigars to Dorian Johnson.

    At 0:53, Mike Brown is seen talking to the employees.

    At 0:57, Mike Brown grabs another box of cigars with his left hand and a few packs with his right hand.

    At 1:03, Mike Brown puts the box of cigars that he grabbed back onto the counter.

    At 1:05, Dorian Johnson is seen putting the box of cigars he was holding back on the counter.

    At 1:08, Mike Brown bends over to pick up loose packs of cigars from the ground.

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store.
     

    For me, the best explanation is that all the cigars fell out of the box onto the floor. Therefore, Brown put the now empty box back onto the counter and then picked up all the loose cigars from the ground.

    Then, according to the police report, three actions happened simultaneously.

    1) Brown began walking out the door.

    2) The clerk ran in front of Brown and tried to lock the door.

    3) The patron, standing nearby, used her cell phone to call 911.

    Afterwards the clerk himself did not call 911 too, because he knew that the patron already had done so.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store#

    , @Mike Sylwester

    I never really considered that the video could have been edited by the media, in order to bring white people to a froth
     
    According to the article to which you linked ....

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store#

    .... the entire video lasts at least one minute and forty seconds.

    Naturally, the television broadcasters showed the entire video a maximum of only once or twice. Afterwards, merely for the sake of brevity, they reduced it to this 21-second segment:

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store.

    At 1:15, a male employee is seen emerging from behind the counter with keys in his hand.

    ....

    At 1:29, Mike Brown shoves the male employee.

    At 1:30, the male employee pulls the door closed.

    At 1:32, Mike Brown walks toward the male employee to get him to let go of the door and get out of the way.

    At 1:33, Dorian Johnson exits the store.

    At 1:35, Mike Brown's left hand is empty and his right hand can be seen with a few loose packs of cigars.

    At 1:36, Mike Brown exits the Ferguson Market.
     
    The television broadcasters did not reduce the time "in order to bring white people to a froth".

    Rather, they reduced the time so that the viewers would not switch to another news channel with a faster pace.
  212. @Truth
    Hey Mike, Touche.

    I never really considered that the video could have been edited by the media, in order to bring white people to a froth, rather than the police department - nor do I have the time, or interest to research it right now after 6 or 7 back-and-forths.

    Why don't we just pick the sentiment up on the next cop-shooting next week?

    At 0:43, Mike Brown grabs a box of cigars.

    At 0:48, Mike Brown hands the box of cigars to Dorian Johnson.

    At 0:53, Mike Brown is seen talking to the employees.

    At 0:57, Mike Brown grabs another box of cigars with his left hand and a few packs with his right hand.

    At 1:03, Mike Brown puts the box of cigars that he grabbed back onto the counter.

    At 1:05, Dorian Johnson is seen putting the box of cigars he was holding back on the counter.

    At 1:08, Mike Brown bends over to pick up loose packs of cigars from the ground.

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store.

    For me, the best explanation is that all the cigars fell out of the box onto the floor. Therefore, Brown put the now empty box back onto the counter and then picked up all the loose cigars from the ground.

    Then, according to the police report, three actions happened simultaneously.

    1) Brown began walking out the door.

    2) The clerk ran in front of Brown and tried to lock the door.

    3) The patron, standing nearby, used her cell phone to call 911.

    Afterwards the clerk himself did not call 911 too, because he knew that the patron already had done so.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store#

  213. @Truth
    Hey Mike, Touche.

    I never really considered that the video could have been edited by the media, in order to bring white people to a froth, rather than the police department - nor do I have the time, or interest to research it right now after 6 or 7 back-and-forths.

    Why don't we just pick the sentiment up on the next cop-shooting next week?

    I never really considered that the video could have been edited by the media, in order to bring white people to a froth

    According to the article to which you linked ….

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/28/1339820/-What-Mike-Brown-did-and-did-not-do-inside-of-the-Ferguson-convenience-store#

    …. the entire video lasts at least one minute and forty seconds.

    Naturally, the television broadcasters showed the entire video a maximum of only once or twice. Afterwards, merely for the sake of brevity, they reduced it to this 21-second segment:

    At 1:15, Mike Brown begins to leave the store.

    At 1:15, a male employee is seen emerging from behind the counter with keys in his hand.

    ….

    At 1:29, Mike Brown shoves the male employee.

    At 1:30, the male employee pulls the door closed.

    At 1:32, Mike Brown walks toward the male employee to get him to let go of the door and get out of the way.

    At 1:33, Dorian Johnson exits the store.

    At 1:35, Mike Brown’s left hand is empty and his right hand can be seen with a few loose packs of cigars.

    At 1:36, Mike Brown exits the Ferguson Market.

    The television broadcasters did not reduce the time “in order to bring white people to a froth”.

    Rather, they reduced the time so that the viewers would not switch to another news channel with a faster pace.

  214. No Mike, they “did it to whip white people into a froth.” I majored in journalism and have worked in print, radio, web and TV journalism. The motto is, “if it bleeds, it leads.”

    This is, additionally, why that incompetent Police Chief released the video to begin with. The justice department “strongly advised the PD not to release the vdieo.

    When pressed for a reason he released both Wilson’s identity and this video at the exact same time, Jackson stated that he had received numerous media requests for the specific information related to the apparent robbery of the store. However, Matthew Keys, who writes for The Blot, confirmed on Friday that the Ferguson Police Department had not received any specific FOIA requests relating to a robbery involving Brown. In fact, the only request they got related to Brown stemmed from a general request from Joel Currier, a crime and police reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/05/ferguson-police-chief-caught-huge-lie-surrounding-michael-brown-surveillance-video.html

    Erickson also lied greatly about the distance that Brown died from the police cruiser. He said it was 35 feet. it was 108 feet, with 6 bullets in his body. What eminent danger was Wilson in at that distance from an unarmed ma?

    If you are so certain that Brown stole the cigars, why did he give Johnson a box of cigars to put down? Why was he at the counter to begin with? Why is a policeman telling a citizen to “get the fuck onto the sidewalk?” (or do you selectively except Johnson’s testimony here; I.e; he is telling the truth when he said “we came to steal cigars”, but not when he recounts what happened with the struggle?

    There are many conflicting aspects to the saintly Civil Service Employee testimony, you can accept this or not, that does not mean that it is not fact.

    My personal feeling is that there was a disagreement with the storeowner as to HOW MANY cigars he paid for, and what they cost. The shopholder’s instinct was to block the door over 4/5 of a sale (which is still technically “theft.)

    As Brown left, the storeowner did not call into 911 because veritable nickels and dimes were not worth it.

    Also, the justice depatment did not drop the investigation because Wilson was “innocent” they dropped it because there was not enough evidence to prosecute. That is the difference between a glider and a 747.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    ... the justice department did not drop the investigation because Wilson was “innocent” they dropped it because there was not enough evidence to prosecute.
     
    The Justice Department's report ends with a section titled "Legal Analysis". That section's key sentence:

    The evidence establishes that the shots fired by Wilson after Brown turned around were in self-defense and thus were not objectively unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.
     
    Page 82 of
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=4

    This is the Justice Department headed by Eric Holder in the Administration of President Barack Obama.

  215. @Truth
    Grasshopper, I'm afraid I may have been premature in arrowing you to reave the tempre. Prease retrurn. Your practice is far from comprete.

    THAT’S RACIST!

  216. 120 yds with a pistol at night is a trained skill with a honed pistol – your average thug with a HiPoint or .38 ain’t someone with this skillset. Even with a carbine or rifle chambered in a pistol round its the sign of someone who has gone out of his way to train in challenging conditions.

    Suspect in custody, 20 year old black male. Police say he used a .40 cal pistol, IIRC. The special training theory is fading fast.

  217. @Truth
    No Mike, they "did it to whip white people into a froth." I majored in journalism and have worked in print, radio, web and TV journalism. The motto is, "if it bleeds, it leads."

    This is, additionally, why that incompetent Police Chief released the video to begin with. The justice department "strongly advised the PD not to release the vdieo.


    When pressed for a reason he released both Wilson’s identity and this video at the exact same time, Jackson stated that he had received numerous media requests for the specific information related to the apparent robbery of the store. However, Matthew Keys, who writes for The Blot, confirmed on Friday that the Ferguson Police Department had not received any specific FOIA requests relating to a robbery involving Brown. In fact, the only request they got related to Brown stemmed from a general request from Joel Currier, a crime and police reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
     
    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/05/ferguson-police-chief-caught-huge-lie-surrounding-michael-brown-surveillance-video.html

    Erickson also lied greatly about the distance that Brown died from the police cruiser. He said it was 35 feet. it was 108 feet, with 6 bullets in his body. What eminent danger was Wilson in at that distance from an unarmed ma?

    If you are so certain that Brown stole the cigars, why did he give Johnson a box of cigars to put down? Why was he at the counter to begin with? Why is a policeman telling a citizen to "get the fuck onto the sidewalk?" (or do you selectively except Johnson's testimony here; I.e; he is telling the truth when he said "we came to steal cigars", but not when he recounts what happened with the struggle?

    There are many conflicting aspects to the saintly Civil Service Employee testimony, you can accept this or not, that does not mean that it is not fact.

    My personal feeling is that there was a disagreement with the storeowner as to HOW MANY cigars he paid for, and what they cost. The shopholder's instinct was to block the door over 4/5 of a sale (which is still technically "theft.)

    As Brown left, the storeowner did not call into 911 because veritable nickels and dimes were not worth it.

    Also, the justice depatment did not drop the investigation because Wilson was "innocent" they dropped it because there was not enough evidence to prosecute. That is the difference between a glider and a 747.

    … the justice department did not drop the investigation because Wilson was “innocent” they dropped it because there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

    The Justice Department’s report ends with a section titled “Legal Analysis”. That section’s key sentence:

    The evidence establishes that the shots fired by Wilson after Brown turned around were in self-defense and thus were not objectively unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.

    Page 82 of
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=4

    This is the Justice Department headed by Eric Holder in the Administration of President Barack Obama.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    The evidence establishes that the shots fired by Wilson after Brown turned around were in self-defense and thus were not objectively unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.
     
    Certainly the Justice Department's report meant to say Fourteenth here.
  218. @Mike Sylwester

    ... the justice department did not drop the investigation because Wilson was “innocent” they dropped it because there was not enough evidence to prosecute.
     
    The Justice Department's report ends with a section titled "Legal Analysis". That section's key sentence:

    The evidence establishes that the shots fired by Wilson after Brown turned around were in self-defense and thus were not objectively unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.
     
    Page 82 of
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/04/us/doj-report-on-shooting-of-michael-brown.html?_r=4

    This is the Justice Department headed by Eric Holder in the Administration of President Barack Obama.

    The evidence establishes that the shots fired by Wilson after Brown turned around were in self-defense and thus were not objectively unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.

    Certainly the Justice Department’s report meant to say Fourteenth here.

    • Replies: @Truth



    Certainly the Justice Department’s report meant to say Fourteenth here.
     
    LOL, a lot of time and effort put into that report.
  219. @Mike Sylwester

    The evidence establishes that the shots fired by Wilson after Brown turned around were in self-defense and thus were not objectively unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.
     
    Certainly the Justice Department's report meant to say Fourteenth here.

    Certainly the Justice Department’s report meant to say Fourteenth here.

    LOL, a lot of time and effort put into that report.

  220. Certainly the Justice Department’s report meant to say Fourteenth here.

    No, it’s the Fourth. Excessive force constitutes an unlawful seizure of your body.

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