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I coined the term the White Death last year when attention finally turned to a remarkable fall in life expectancy among some white populations due to the lucky coincidence of economist Angus Deaton and his wife publishing a paper on the subject just days after he was awarded the new quasi-Nobel Laureate in economics.

From The Economist:

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Illness as indicator

Local health outcomes predict Trumpward swings
Nov 19th 2016 | NEW YORK | From the print edition

… on November 15th Patrick Ruffini, a well-known pollster, offered a “challenge for data nerds” on Twitter: “Find the variable that can beat % of non-college whites in the electorate as a predictor of county swing to Trump.”

With no shortage of nerds, The Economist has taken Mr Ruffini up on his challenge. Although we could not find a single factor whose explanatory power was greater than that of non-college whites, we did identify a group of them that did so collectively: an index of public-health statistics. The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington has compiled county-level data on life expectancy and the prevalence of obesity, diabetes, heavy drinking and regular physical activity (or lack thereof). Together, these variables explain 43% of Mr Trump’s gains over Mr Romney, just edging out the 41% accounted for by the share of non-college whites (see chart).

The two categories significantly overlap: counties with a large proportion of whites without a degree also tend to fare poorly when it comes to public health. However, even after controlling for race, education, age, sex, income, marital status, immigration and employment, these figures remain highly statistically significant. Holding all other factors constant—including the share of non-college whites—the better physical shape a county’s residents are in, the worse Mr Trump did relative to Mr Romney.

For example, in Knox County, Ohio, just north-east of Columbus, Mr Trump’s margin of victory was 14 percentage points greater than Mr Romney’s. One hundred miles (161 km) to the east, in Jefferson County, the Republican vote share climbed by 30 percentage points. The share of non-college whites in Knox is actually slightly higher than in Jefferson, 82% to 79%. But Knox residents are much healthier: they are 8% less likely to have diabetes, 30% less likely to be heavy drinkers and 21% more likely to be physically active. Holding all else equal, our model finds that those differences account for around a six-percentage-point difference in the change in Republican vote share from 2012.

The data suggest that the ill may have been particularly susceptible to Mr Trump’s message. According to our model, if diabetes were just 7% less prevalent in Michigan, Mr Trump would have gained 0.3 fewer percentage points there, enough to swing the state back to the Democrats. Similarly, if an additional 8% of people in Pennsylvania engaged in regular physical activity, and heavy drinking in Wisconsin were 5% lower, Mrs Clinton would be set to enter the White House. But such counter-factual predictions are always impossible to test. There is no way to rerun the election with healthier voters and compare the results.

The public-health crisis unfolding across white working-class America is hardly a secret.

Well, it was pretty much of a secret until only a year ago.

Last year Angus Deaton, a Nobel-prize-winning economist, found that the death rate among the country’s middle-aged, less-educated white citizens had climbed since the 1990s, even as the rate for Hispanics and blacks of the same age had fallen. Drinking, suicide and a burgeoning epidemic of opioid abuse are widely seen as the most likely causes. Some argue that deteriorating health outcomes are linked to deindustrialisation: higher unemployment rates predict both lower life expectancy and support for Mr Trump, even after controlling for a bevy of demographic variables.

I’m reminded of the horrifying drop in life expectancy in Russia during the Yeltsin years.

Polling data suggests that on the whole, Mr Trump’s supporters are not particularly down on their luck: within any given level of educational attainment, higher-income respondents are more likely to vote Republican. But what the geographic numbers do show is that the specific subset of Mr Trump’s voters that won him the election—those in counties where he outperformed Mr Romney by large margins—live in communities that are literally dying. Even if Mr Trump’s policies are unlikely to alleviate their plight, it is not hard to understand why they voted for change.

In other words, as I’ve pointed out before, Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities.

 
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  1. tanabear says:

    “Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities.”

    If only they were less civic-minded and more self-centered then they would have voted for Hillary. Being civic-minded today is now called racism.

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election. It turns out the deplorables beat the delusionals.

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    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    I fully expect Trump to take Fareed Zakaria and Bill Maher to the toolshed at some point while President.

    Trump supporters may not be "hurting", but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting. Trump supporters are not addicted to opioids, but they know a neighbor that has lost a child to a heroin overdose. Trump supporters may be comfortable economically, but they see that their 25 year nephews at Thanksgiving dinner are still living at home with little hope of economic prosperity.
    , @bomag

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election
     
    That would be the teeth-grindingly smug Bill Maher. Just note the little tactics he uses: he'll eagerly mention marginal supporters who exhibit "deplorable" behavior, then he'll discuss "typical" Trump supporters and imply that they are cut from the same cloth. He gripes that modern media has made it easier for Trump to spread his message, a message with untruths, while drafting off his celebrity. This is one hacker griping that there are other hackers out there.

    And Maher worries about violence after a Trump loss. What psychological projection! And his prediction that the markets will tank if Trump wins; ha ha ha!

    He say Trump would be "government by snit". That pretty much encapsulates much of modern governing.

    And his saccharin gushing over Hillary was disgusting.
    , @Lugash
    Nothing but non stop hypocrisy and missed calls in that video. My favorite is when he chides kids for wanting to be celebrities rather than work for MSF. Of course, neither he nor Fareed chose that boring but helpful career path. And when Fareed asks him about serving as a politician, well that would involve Bill having to wake up in the morning and do some work.

    My favorite:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul2OuvPOQE
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  2. Perhaps, but crackers are supposed to die off and get out of the way of the future.

    It’s the right side of history.

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    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    It’s the right side of history.
     
    The crackers that will define the future will not cede their prospects to imbecilic claims about their relative position regarding history.

    It is worth noting that even the idiotic Left does not say, "It's the left side of history" because leftism is too stupid to be on the right side of anything.

    The Left, both Democrats and Republicans, are wrong yesterday, wrong today, wrong forever. But if you don't think so, start a Go Fund Me page to get a one-way ticket to Venezuela. I'll be your first contributor.
    , @George
    When Bush II started pouring wealth into the the Iraqistan mess the healthcare system collapsed. Obamacare was an attempt to correct this, but O never managed to close down W's wars.
    , @Olorin
    But the wrong side of both statistics and genomics.

    Look up "regression to the mean."
    , @SFG
    I'd say that has recently been called into question.
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  3. dearieme says:

    White Lives Matter!

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  4. Clyde says:

    Perhaps, but crackers are supposed to die off and get out of the way of the future.
    It’s the right side of history.

    Hamilton! The Lecture!

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  5. Trelane says:

    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    –National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

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    • Replies: @TheBoom
    It was at that point I started boycotting the NR.
    , @Wilkey
    "The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die."

    Well yeah, some of them do. Ghost towns are a thing. The trouble with Williamson's tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can't go to California or Nevada or Arizona. They're hiring, but only if you're illegal and Mexican and willing to be abused. If you're unskilled you're out of luck. Can't develop a new skill set, like programming, because American industry would prefer importing Indians. You may spend years of your life and tens of thousands on a degree only to have no job waiting for you at the end.

    I didn't vote for Trump, but for Cruz. I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and I voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven't been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them.
    , @BucephalusXYZ
    This article by Kevin Williamson is really more complex than many give it credit for.
    He says:
    "It [roughly, Trumpism] is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn't."
    I agree with critics that that is false. For some time now, the elite class has cultivated an outlook in which it seems "morally right" to feel and express outright hatred and disgust for the white working class. Elite whites express this as a "self-aware" "critique" of their own "whiteness", when in reality it is a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, an affirmation of their own success, or their own apparent success, at finding a path in life that surrounds them with the better whites and the better non-whites.

    But Williamson also says (of the working class whites):
    "They failed themselves."
    This is not wrong. Indeed it is true of most of us. Others may victimize you, but when you embrace your own helplessness, you do fail yourself.

    I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace "victimization" as the path to success. It hasn't actually worked for anyone.
    , @hhsiii
    Well, if you live in Garbutt you are an hour west of Buffalo. Tesla-Solar is supposedly building (mostly funded by NY State) a facility there to build solar roofing, supposed to employ 1600. You are 20 minutes or so from Rochester. Kodak and xerox aren't such huge employers any more but some. Paychex is in Rochester. Hickey-Freeman. You have University of Rochester, Rochester Institute of Technology. They and Cornell incubate what they call Tech Alley. SUNY-Geneseo. Prison guard jobs.

    Blue Collar jobs it isn't easy. There's farming up there. No fracking. Finger Lakes has some tourism, wineries. It's petty hardscrabble if you are blue collar, but there are some spots, like those Tesla jobs supposedly and startups. M&T bank. Good thing is it's pretty cheap to live up there.

    Trump won upstate of course, as Steve noted. Rochester itself has become a fairly dangerous town at night in spots. There's some contruction going on downtown by the Geneseo river. Across from the Genesee Brewery.

    I was just up there. We went to Letchworth State Park. very pretty. Oh yeah, there's an old railroad bridge in that park, over 100 years old, being replaced by one about 100 yards down river. I think that's Norfolk Southern. We saw a mile long freight train creaking slowly over that thing. Must be terrifying up on that bridge. There's a job. :) Anyway, Rochester was nice to visit. Lake Ontario was quite a sight. Lot of nice homes, probably some construction work renovating those. And Corning is still going strong.

    So there you go. Garbutt. The crossroads of upstate New York.
    , @Marat
    I'm going to take a wild guess that Kevin Williamson is ok with perpetuation of businesses that succeed solely due to cheap money. He probably wouldn't be interested in seeing market forces clear all dead wood if it involved certain enterprises/ activity.
    , @Anonymous
    Looks like it was Williamson's ideas about white folks that needed to kick the bucket. NR had been 'turning left with the right blinker on' for some time now, but this election cycle they made a real gamble and went all in on the 'right side of history'. Only it turned out to be the wrong side.

    I think we should treat them the way Trump is treating the media at large and ignore them. They obviously hate and fear us. Let them rot into obsolescence.
    , @SFG
    Williamson was saying the *communities* needed to die, not the people--as Derb himself said.

    He represents a neoliberal ideology whose time I think has passed, but that article's often misquoted.
    , @bored identity
    The word sentimentalism was used four times in Williamson's article to describe what drives some frail souls to be concered about the state of underpriviliged whites in America.


    If the number of welfare recipients per capita is the sole criteria for the measurement of white dysfunctionality, then left and right eggheads should leave Appalachian rednecks alone and hand National Panhandler Trophy to this community:

    http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090130/NEWS/901300361

    Of course, NR cucksperts would never dare to expose socioethical shortages of the above mentioned populace, not to mention publicly mark up that whole neck of the woods for a full-scale deforestation.

    And why?

    I guess due to a severe case of Pavlovian sentimentalism.


    Bonus:

    http://www.vosizneias.com/125876/2013/03/09/rockland-county-ny-orthodox-enclaves-top-section-8-voucher-list/

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Kiryas-Joel-New-York.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/08/27/nyregion/20060827_ORANGE_MAP.html
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  6. Lot says:

    Well really “whites in poor health” being the group the swung Trump the hardest is just a proxy for greater Appalachia and extreme-Rust Belt towns.

    The Economist compares Knox and Jefferson Counties in Ohio.

    Jefferson County borders WV and is a depressed steel and coal area that has started to recover because of fracking. Its population has declined continuously since 1960, from 99 to 67 thousand. Some of the steel mills are still operating too, so it isn’t a lost cause.

    Like West Virginia, it shifted from Democrat to Republican extremely hard and fast. Mike Dukakis beat Bush I in the county by 22 points, Romney beat Obama by 5 points, Trump beat Hillary by 36 points.

    Knox County, childhood home of Luke Perry and Paul Lynde, is a prosperous corn farming area that has always been strongly Republican and whose population doubled during that same period, and now includes the outer exurbs of Columbus.

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    Well really “whites in poor health” being the group the swung Trump the hardest is just a proxy for greater Appalachia and extreme-Rust Belt towns.

    But Steve's point seems to be that it wasn't necessarily the "whites in poor health" who swung hard, but the "civic-minded individuals..." in such "overlooked communities." That's something that the data could show, ie that the better-off swung harder than the poor...
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  7. @Alec Leamas
    Perhaps, but crackers are supposed to die off and get out of the way of the future.

    It's the right side of history.

    It’s the right side of history.

    The crackers that will define the future will not cede their prospects to imbecilic claims about their relative position regarding history.

    It is worth noting that even the idiotic Left does not say, “It’s the left side of history” because leftism is too stupid to be on the right side of anything.

    The Left, both Democrats and Republicans, are wrong yesterday, wrong today, wrong forever. But if you don’t think so, start a Go Fund Me page to get a one-way ticket to Venezuela. I’ll be your first contributor.

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  8. donut says:

    OK sailer I want to talk about movies . Right off the top of my head I want to say that “True Grit” is
    one of my favorites . Then I would guess “Lone Star” . But really we should talk about the more obscure not top ten movies , right ? Now the first one that comes to mind is “Session Nine” which that no talent faggot David Carouso is in , right ? And then may be we should consider “The Young Poisoners H

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    The only worthwhile version of True Grit is the John Wayne version. The original story and the more recent version (made by the Coen brothers and cast a Jewish girl as the heroine) are about the culture of TG dying. John Wayne's version rejects that premise.
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  9. @tanabear
    "Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities."

    If only they were less civic-minded and more self-centered then they would have voted for Hillary. Being civic-minded today is now called racism.

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election. It turns out the deplorables beat the delusionals.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDLgxrQDTVo

    I fully expect Trump to take Fareed Zakaria and Bill Maher to the toolshed at some point while President.

    Trump supporters may not be “hurting”, but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting. Trump supporters are not addicted to opioids, but they know a neighbor that has lost a child to a heroin overdose. Trump supporters may be comfortable economically, but they see that their 25 year nephews at Thanksgiving dinner are still living at home with little hope of economic prosperity.

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    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    In any event, the cuckservatives around Paul Ryan have high hopes the Trump administration could still be derailed for policies that are useful to billionaires (coincidentally, mostly leftists) and maybe the upper middle class, but not for Trump's base.

    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/800556138181853184
    , @JMcG
    You have just described me to a tee.
    , @ben tillman

    Trump supporters may not be “hurting”, but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting.
     
    We are also able to identify policies that will cause us to hurt in the future and that will, in fact, limit the extent of our future.
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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Don Trumpicano held a meeting of the bosses tonight in NYC.

    Some people got straightened out.

    But other people never learn.

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  11. TheBoom says:
    @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    It was at that point I started boycotting the NR.

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    • Replies: @Martine
    Ditto.
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  12. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Historic slap down of media bosses by Trump. But the worst offenders are just underlings of Immelt/GE and the father son
    who run Cox.

    Trump is so right on the money to be aggressive with these scoundrels. He sent a message tonight.

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    GE is out of the media business
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  13. Wilkey says:
    @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.”

    Well yeah, some of them do. Ghost towns are a thing. The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona. They’re hiring, but only if you’re illegal and Mexican and willing to be abused. If you’re unskilled you’re out of luck. Can’t develop a new skill set, like programming, because American industry would prefer importing Indians. You may spend years of your life and tens of thousands on a degree only to have no job waiting for you at the end.

    I didn’t vote for Trump, but for Cruz. I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and I voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven’t been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona."

    Right.

    It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren't going anywhere in life.
    , @David In TN
    "...I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven't been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them."

    Well said. And you get tired of white liberal types railing "I hate white guys" from their all-white affluent neighborhoods.
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  14. donut says:

    OK sailer I want to talk about movies . Right off the top of my head I want to say that “True Grit” is
    one of my favorites . Then I would guess “Lone Star” . But really we should talk about the more obscure not top ten movies , right ? Now the first one that comes to mind is “Session Nine” which that no talent faggot David Carouso is in , right ? And then may be we should consider “The Young Poisoners Hand book ” but wait , there is more . “I’m Not Scared” and then there is”Ghost World ” . Ok , and then there is “Captains Courageous ” and ” Dr. Strangelove” which are not really “obscure” . Next I guess would be “To Die For” , right ? Then “Yakuza” with Robert Mitchum . And then maybe “Drugstore Cowboy ” . Of course “Winter”s Bone” before that twat stuck her nose up that N**gers ass , right ? OH , OH , OH “Shallow Grave ” . Then I guess “Thick as Thieves”and”The Last Seduction ” And maybe “The Night Visitor” . Oh ! And “The Missing Person” . There are more but I can’t be bothered to look for them now . Hmm “Something Wicked This Way Comes ” . Sadly the only thing wicked that came this way was my own base desires .

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    Winter's Bone was superb. Thumbs up! Five stars!
    , @Pericles
    I wanna talk about music, there was this great song I saw on youtube uh with a girl let's and I heard another one a few days ago I'll whistle and these guys at spotif released a new playlist "Discover Weekly" great great so great actually pretty good please don't moderate away my comment at whim, Steve
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  15. Lot says:

    You all should read this, Steve Bannon Q&A from 2014:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right. God willing he’ll run Trump’s admin as much as possible.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    What do you like?

    I see he's as verbally incoherent as his boss. That is, I'm not sure I know what he's saying, half the time.
    , @Trelane
    thanks
    , @utu
    I read it and I am very impressed with him. I see Bannon has broader and deeper view then most politicos around. He must have had good education in classics and some exposure to Catholic teachings on society and economy, I think. As long as he is listened to by Trump and his people I have hope. I am sure there will be lots of attacks to have him sidelined because the enemy knows he is theirs most dangerous opponent. I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.

    "I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism." - Right hierarchy

    "One is a form of capitalism that is taken away from the underlying spiritual and moral foundations of Christianity and, really, Judeo-Christian belief." - He is right though I would drop the pretentious judeo prefix.

    "The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism" - Right on the money. My man! I can't stand these libertarians, etc. the useful idiots for oligarchy and neoliberal capitalism. Unfortunately there is lots of them in Silicon Valley.

    "just tired of being dictated to by what we call the party of Davos. A group of kind of — we’re not conspiracy-theory guys, but there’s certainly — and I could see this when I worked at Goldman Sachs — there are people in New York that feel closer to people in London and in Berlin than they do to people in Kansas and in Colorado," - He knows them! He knows what kind of games the financial sector (our greatest enemy) is up to.

    "the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things. " - Exactly!

    "we’re the voice of the anti-abortion movement, the voice of the traditional marriage movement" - This the reason the low level functionaries of media hate him but the true reason he is hated, which high level media functionaries know, is because of hie views on capitalism that is practiced in the US.
    , @anonguy

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right.
     
    He was a line officer in the Navy, that is often good early training in dealing with harsh realities.

    He was also in during the Carter years, apparently that made a big impression on him as well.
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  16. Lot says:

    Another victory for the people, Trump dumps ALL the corporate lobbyists Christie hired for the transition team!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-transition-team-lobbyists-2016-11

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  17. What does it take to bring down white life expectancy in the United States? Life expectancy rises everywhere and yet here it declines? Here, with the best medical science in the world, here it is declining? Don’t look to opiate use or diabetes as the reason. Napoleon said that in war, “the moral is to the physical as three to one”. This is demoralization. I suspect, I hope, that within four years we will see a rise.

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    • Replies: @utu
    I agree. It is demoralization. Health, opiates use stem from lost hope, low spirit.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am currently working part-time, consulting in the Public Health Department of a large eastern state. I am involved with analyses to develop policy initiatives for one of the state's most lethal "new" public health problems: deaths from opioid overdoses. Actually this problem has been fermenting for decades. It started with accelerating rates of opioid addiction in economically devastated cities and towns that were once thriving. It has spread throughout the entire state. But it is almost entirely concentrated in the White population. This is obvious from the statistics. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it is also concentrated among those Whites whose economic future is bleak at best, no matter what their past income, their past career, their skill level or educational attainment, or their social class.

    It is impossible to address the problem without acknowledging these facts. Yet when I bring them up in the few administrative level situations where I am allowed a voice, my mention of the obvious is treated as if I emitted a loud and very smelly fart. There is an embarrassed silence, a few smirks and many more sneers, and then the discussion returns to useless band-aids that utterly fail to address the causes of the epidemic; public health measures equivalent to the medieval burning of incense to counter the Black Plague.

    Needless to say the Department was overwhelmingly for Clinton and bunches of women were seen embracing and crying in the rest rooms the day after the election. Believe it or not, the Commissioner even spent the days following the election moving from floor to floor and personally soothing the distraught employees.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    This is demoralization.
     
    Center shot! And the demoralization is both intentional and malicious.
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  18. @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    This article by Kevin Williamson is really more complex than many give it credit for.
    He says:
    “It [roughly, Trumpism] is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t.”
    I agree with critics that that is false. For some time now, the elite class has cultivated an outlook in which it seems “morally right” to feel and express outright hatred and disgust for the white working class. Elite whites express this as a “self-aware” “critique” of their own “whiteness”, when in reality it is a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, an affirmation of their own success, or their own apparent success, at finding a path in life that surrounds them with the better whites and the better non-whites.

    But Williamson also says (of the working class whites):
    “They failed themselves.”
    This is not wrong. Indeed it is true of most of us. Others may victimize you, but when you embrace your own helplessness, you do fail yourself.

    I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace “victimization” as the path to success. It hasn’t actually worked for anyone.

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    "Victimization" is nothing more than a group finding justification in its own actions against others. It's been going on for thousands of years; every ethnic group in history has had one justification or another for its invasions, attacks, assaults, etc.

    The Left has benefited from the fact that it destroyed old white ethnic neighborhoods beginning in the 1950s. Scots-Irish communities in the South were torn apart by forced integration, while, in the North, busing and "urban renewal" projects and the Interstate Highway System hollowed out old Irish, Italian, Polish, and German enclaves.NAFTA was to finish the job by destroying one of the last ethnic ties: small local unions. Then the mop-up jobs would be removing symbols (Confederate flag) and basic celebrations (hostility to St. Patrick's Day celebrations that didn't have gay and black participants), while 3rd-world immigrants (Mexicans, Somalis, etc.) could be parachuted in to wedge out any remaining white ties.

    All the while blaming whitey for all the other groups' problems. And while the "whitey victimized me groups" have grown in political power---blacks took over the white house and Affirmative action is now sacred; you can't criticize middle eastern islam; etc.

    But what happened? Those dismembered white ethnicities suddenly decided that they didn't like this slow genocide, and have slowly begun a coalition, based on shared grievances with having their communities destroyed. Irish and Italian and Poles and Germans and Scandanavians have discovered that they share a lot more with each other than with the D's. And that new just screamed loudly in this election.

    Victimization politics, far from being a losing strategy, is actually base rationalization needed for a group to thrive.
    , @utu
    "I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace “victimization” as the path to success. It hasn’t actually worked for anyone." - For Jews it worked but perhaps it was just a stratagem as they never have been victimized here in the US.
    , @Alec Leamas
    We tend not to make a critical distinction with regard to leftist coastal elitism. People born to wealth and privilege in Manhattan or Los Angeles generally have little interest in the white working class/badwhites either way - they tend to be self-involved and interested in their own spheres of influence. It's the whites who believe that they've elevated their status in moving to coastal cities from places populated by badwhites who are the most anxious about their new status - it's much more an Oedipal/Patricide thing than it is a coherent politics.
    , @Jack D
    If working class whites have embraced victimization it is only out of desperation and because in modern America you get Pokemon points based on where you are on the victim scale - if you don't rate any victim points then no one is interested in helping you.

    All these folks really wanted was a decent day's pay in return for a decent day's work. They had a tolerable setup working at the local widget factory - it was hard work and boring but you did what you had to do to provide for your family. But then some genius decided that we should embrace globalization and add 5 cents a share to his employer's quarterly earnings by moving his factory to China or Mexico. Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer (not that foreigners haven't taken those jobs too) or starting their own business. A government that loved its own people would have done something to keep the widget factory from closing - imposed tariffs on imported widgets or at least not made the factory owner's life miserable with endless regulations and AA mandates, etc. In most cases, these were not "sunset industries". Carrier or Nabisco or whomever were still making and selling the same air conditioners and cookies, etc. , they were just going to make them cheaper in Mexico. They would literally pick up the factory and move it across the border and make the same thing for cheaper and pocket the difference. They would sell their product to Americans for dollars but employ Mexicans and pay them pesos. What sane government would permit this?

    But our government really didn't give a damn about these folks. Even though the government interferes in the market in every way shape and form, when it came to them suddenly they were free marketers and they were on their own.
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  19. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=steve%20sailer,richard%20spencer

    This is a travesty. I don’t know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump, other than he and his friends like to root for trump on twitter. He likes to say he is the brains behind trump: absolutely not. It’s clear “Adios America” provided the intellectual impetus behind the Trump campaign, making immigration Trump’s signature issue for proving how corrupt/incompetent elites are. I don’t see any profiles of Ann, especially since her ideas are (somewhat) in the overton window. I’ve seen like 10 profiles of Spencer so far, and he’s getting all these interviews. And it’s clear who Coulter is inspired by. I don’t see a lot of reflection or intellectual examination of the Trump phenonmenon in the MSM: it’s just “look there’s a racist”! …

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    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn't try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.
    , @Lot

    don’t know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump
     
    Because the MSM and Hillary wanted to create a narrative that TRUMP=KKK/NAZI, and Richard Spencer was always to rush out to hang out with reporters and say anything they wanted to help that narrative. David Duke did the same thing, but Duke did not so conveniently live in the DC area and was not as savvy with new media.
    , @anonymous
    Ross Douthat was saying that journos should profile our host instead of Richard after his very manly "Heil Trump" outburst
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  20. @Lot
    You all should read this, Steve Bannon Q&A from 2014:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right. God willing he'll run Trump's admin as much as possible.

    What do you like?

    I see he’s as verbally incoherent as his boss. That is, I’m not sure I know what he’s saying, half the time.

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    What do you like?
     
    His concern about Islamic expansion and terrorism, his knowledge of Christian history, his solidarity with the European right, his concern for Christian minorities in the middle east, calling out Putin as a kleptocrat while still being positive toward the Russian people, and the fact that he understands so much about the crony capitalism that is damaging our economy.

    There is just every indication that he understands that Americans have been demoralized and need someone on our side against corrupt elites.

    I see he’s as verbally incoherent as his boss.
     
    Direct transcripts of interviews don't make anyone look especially good.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Harvard Business School, GoldmanSachs, now the biggest disruptor in media.

    Bannon did what Roger Ailes and Rush Limbaugh combined could not. He short-circuited the establishment, and unlike Goldwater, he won.

    There was once a Col. McCormick of Chicago, were I the reincarnation type, Bannon would have his number.
    , @Jack D

    I see he’s as verbally incoherent as his boss.
     
    Being verbally fluent gets you a job at Starbucks after you spend 10 years working on your English PhD. and as a postdoc but fail to land a tenure track position.

    Bannon and his boss OTOH have both done really well in life, even before one became POTUS and the other his trusted adviser. So maybe verbal coherence isn't everything.
    , @SFG
    Interesting sort of quasi-Catholic take on capitalism. I think his right-wing populism might be a good counterbalance to the leftist elitism that's been way too dominant lately, myself.
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  21. eah says:

    You mean stripping lower class Whites of their economic livelihood, talking about them like they’re shit, forcing them to do things against their will and beliefs like bake cakes and pizzas for homosexual ‘weddings’, talking up ‘diversity’ 24/7 (except in crime stories) like it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then via coercive taxation making them pay for the system doing all of that, leads to feelings of hopelessness and worthlessness? That’s a surprise.

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    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/JohnRiversX2/status/800962968963940352
    , @AndrewR
    The idea that "rural America" has "waged a war" against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don't even know how to respond.


    As for people who like foreigners, among whom I kind of count myself (I obviously don't like all coreigners equally), I would suggest actually going to foreign countries instead of opening up our borders.

    I have friends I love to visit but whom I'd never want to live with.

    , @anonymous
    You've made a very good comment. For years now I've noticed the constant caricaturing of segments of the white population in movies and television. The hatred just never stops.
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  22. Trelane says:
    @Lot
    You all should read this, Steve Bannon Q&A from 2014:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right. God willing he'll run Trump's admin as much as possible.

    thanks

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  23. donut says:

    You know what Sailer ? Tom Arnold ‘s filmography is more impressive than Johnnie Depp’s . Mr. Arnold has more range and talent than that f**kwit , Check it out .

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  24. whorefinder says: • Website
    @BucephalusXYZ
    This article by Kevin Williamson is really more complex than many give it credit for.
    He says:
    "It [roughly, Trumpism] is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn't."
    I agree with critics that that is false. For some time now, the elite class has cultivated an outlook in which it seems "morally right" to feel and express outright hatred and disgust for the white working class. Elite whites express this as a "self-aware" "critique" of their own "whiteness", when in reality it is a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, an affirmation of their own success, or their own apparent success, at finding a path in life that surrounds them with the better whites and the better non-whites.

    But Williamson also says (of the working class whites):
    "They failed themselves."
    This is not wrong. Indeed it is true of most of us. Others may victimize you, but when you embrace your own helplessness, you do fail yourself.

    I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace "victimization" as the path to success. It hasn't actually worked for anyone.

    “Victimization” is nothing more than a group finding justification in its own actions against others. It’s been going on for thousands of years; every ethnic group in history has had one justification or another for its invasions, attacks, assaults, etc.

    The Left has benefited from the fact that it destroyed old white ethnic neighborhoods beginning in the 1950s. Scots-Irish communities in the South were torn apart by forced integration, while, in the North, busing and “urban renewal” projects and the Interstate Highway System hollowed out old Irish, Italian, Polish, and German enclaves.NAFTA was to finish the job by destroying one of the last ethnic ties: small local unions. Then the mop-up jobs would be removing symbols (Confederate flag) and basic celebrations (hostility to St. Patrick’s Day celebrations that didn’t have gay and black participants), while 3rd-world immigrants (Mexicans, Somalis, etc.) could be parachuted in to wedge out any remaining white ties.

    All the while blaming whitey for all the other groups’ problems. And while the “whitey victimized me groups” have grown in political power—blacks took over the white house and Affirmative action is now sacred; you can’t criticize middle eastern islam; etc.

    But what happened? Those dismembered white ethnicities suddenly decided that they didn’t like this slow genocide, and have slowly begun a coalition, based on shared grievances with having their communities destroyed. Irish and Italian and Poles and Germans and Scandanavians have discovered that they share a lot more with each other than with the D’s. And that new just screamed loudly in this election.

    Victimization politics, far from being a losing strategy, is actually base rationalization needed for a group to thrive.

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    • Replies: @BucephalusXYZ
    I think we mean different things by "victimization".

    What you seem to be talking about is finding a legitimate casus belli. I think it is perfectly possible, and often right, to recognize that others have harmed you, wrongly, and that you have need to strike back, in some way. I think this is admirable.

    At the same time, I don't find admirable the sense of "victimization" embraced by the "whitey victimized me groups" that have had political success. On a factual level, I agree with these groups, at least when it comes to blacks: lower-class blacks really are victimized by the elite. (Of course, the elite portrays them as the victims of the "racism" of lower-class whites.) But I find it pathetic that the "path to success" of an educated black person involves embracing the idea that nobody understands how hard it is to be a black person in American, etc.

    On a practical level, this sort of view may get some better material success, but at the cost of implicitly condeming others to lives of moral turpitude.

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  25. Anonym says:

    Although we could not find a single factor whose explanatory power was greater than that of non-college whites, we did identify a group of them that did so collectively: an index of public-health statistics. The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington has compiled county-level data on life expectancy and the prevalence of obesity, diabetes, heavy drinking and regular physical activity (or lack thereof). Together, these variables explain 43% of Mr Trump’s gains over Mr Romney, just edging out the 41% accounted for by the share of non-college whites (see chart).

    Well, that’s Obamacare for you.

    A member of my extended family, when another liberal member of the family (probably rhetorically) articulated “How could the US vote for Trump?!?!”, replied stating how much Obamacare was costing her so STFU.

    I don’t think O-care is the whole thing (i.e. if you are lower SES because the globalists have shipped your job to China or Mexico, your medical problems are just literal injury added to figurative injury), but definitely a sizable component.

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  26. OT

    Historic first ever spray-painted Swaztika that isn’t a hoax!

    Vandals Paint Swastika On Trump Supporter’s Door

    Hate-crime charges to follow?

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  27. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Surprise, surprise.

    The blatantly and explicitly anti-white Economist magazine throws together any adjectives it can to impugn the characters of Trump voters.
    ‘Obese’, ‘diabetes’, ‘ill-educated’,’disabled’ etc etc.

    Funnily enough, those bastards at The Economist would never ever dare insult the ghetto-rat Hillary voters.

    By the way, I always thought that ‘Angus Deaton’ was a British comedian, ironically sacked from his highly popular and lucrative satirical gig due to cocaine abuse.

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    It depends whether these poor minorities live in western countries, or live in their own countries. If they live in non-western countries it's okay to push free trade on them (which means 85 IQ Africans have to compete directly against 105 IQ Asians) or drop bombs on them in the name of western values, but not if they live on the magic dirt.

    Non-whites become special people once they set foot on the magic dirt.

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  28. eah says:
    @eah
    You mean stripping lower class Whites of their economic livelihood, talking about them like they're shit, forcing them to do things against their will and beliefs like bake cakes and pizzas for homosexual 'weddings', talking up 'diversity' 24/7 (except in crime stories) like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then via coercive taxation making them pay for the system doing all of that, leads to feelings of hopelessness and worthlessness? That's a surprise.

    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer/status/800558844753612800

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    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/sbpdl/status/802990895834558468
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  29. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    OT: Does anyone hear know anything about Westbrook Pegler? Interesting guy, very popular in his own time, but there’s not much written about him that I can find.

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    Years ago Pat Buchanan was sometimes called Westbrook Pegler's successor. In my college days, I read about writer Quentin Reynolds libel suit against Pegler. Reynolds won.
    , @SFG
    Given the sources I would take it with a few shakers of salt, but these serve as a good introduction if you can shake out the ideology:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2004/03/dangerous_minds.html
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/03/01/rabble-rouser
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  30. utu says:
    @Lot
    You all should read this, Steve Bannon Q&A from 2014:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right. God willing he'll run Trump's admin as much as possible.

    I read it and I am very impressed with him. I see Bannon has broader and deeper view then most politicos around. He must have had good education in classics and some exposure to Catholic teachings on society and economy, I think. As long as he is listened to by Trump and his people I have hope. I am sure there will be lots of attacks to have him sidelined because the enemy knows he is theirs most dangerous opponent. I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.

    “I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism.” – Right hierarchy

    “One is a form of capitalism that is taken away from the underlying spiritual and moral foundations of Christianity and, really, Judeo-Christian belief.” – He is right though I would drop the pretentious judeo prefix.

    “The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism” – Right on the money. My man! I can’t stand these libertarians, etc. the useful idiots for oligarchy and neoliberal capitalism. Unfortunately there is lots of them in Silicon Valley.

    “just tired of being dictated to by what we call the party of Davos. A group of kind of — we’re not conspiracy-theory guys, but there’s certainly — and I could see this when I worked at Goldman Sachs — there are people in New York that feel closer to people in London and in Berlin than they do to people in Kansas and in Colorado,” – He knows them! He knows what kind of games the financial sector (our greatest enemy) is up to.

    “the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things. ” – Exactly!

    “we’re the voice of the anti-abortion movement, the voice of the traditional marriage movement” – This the reason the low level functionaries of media hate him but the true reason he is hated, which high level media functionaries know, is because of hie views on capitalism that is practiced in the US.

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    I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.
     
    Bannon mentioned the nazi types a few times, praising UKIP for "policing" them, but also noting that there isn't you can much do if they just start showing up to events, and that taking nationalism mainstream just dilutes them into irrelevance.

    Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media's game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!
    , @dfordoom

    This the reason the low level functionaries of media hate him but the true reason he is hated, which high level media functionaries know, is because of hie views on capitalism that is practiced in the US.
     
    Yep.
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  31. utu says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    What does it take to bring down white life expectancy in the United States? Life expectancy rises everywhere and yet here it declines? Here, with the best medical science in the world, here it is declining? Don't look to opiate use or diabetes as the reason. Napoleon said that in war, "the moral is to the physical as three to one". This is demoralization. I suspect, I hope, that within four years we will see a rise.

    I agree. It is demoralization. Health, opiates use stem from lost hope, low spirit.

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    yes - it's mass un and under employment combined with no hope of improvement

    the banking mafia's cheap labor economics is the root cause greatly magnified by the scum media covering up the consequences for 20 years so there was no chance of course correction

    IIRC the total excess is 500,000 people over the trend so that's another 1/2 million dead to add to the banker-media's blood debt.

    the Economist being one of the most guilty
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  32. utu says:
    @BucephalusXYZ
    This article by Kevin Williamson is really more complex than many give it credit for.
    He says:
    "It [roughly, Trumpism] is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn't."
    I agree with critics that that is false. For some time now, the elite class has cultivated an outlook in which it seems "morally right" to feel and express outright hatred and disgust for the white working class. Elite whites express this as a "self-aware" "critique" of their own "whiteness", when in reality it is a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, an affirmation of their own success, or their own apparent success, at finding a path in life that surrounds them with the better whites and the better non-whites.

    But Williamson also says (of the working class whites):
    "They failed themselves."
    This is not wrong. Indeed it is true of most of us. Others may victimize you, but when you embrace your own helplessness, you do fail yourself.

    I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace "victimization" as the path to success. It hasn't actually worked for anyone.

    “I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace “victimization” as the path to success. It hasn’t actually worked for anyone.” – For Jews it worked but perhaps it was just a stratagem as they never have been victimized here in the US.

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    If we don't get major restrictions on immigration, I would not be surprised to see Jews victimized as occurred time after time in the Old World. The smoking gun is quite clearly in the hand of Cellar and Schumer.

    Of course, I suspect many in the Jewish community regard "victimization" as mere evangelistic persuasion. The peaceful sermon is apparently worse than the Cossack's boot.

    But to speak in the language of Cultural Marxism, the Jews have suffered the greatest cultural appropriation in the history of humanity. Both by St. Paul and later by Muhammad.

    Easier to cast yourself as the victim, rather than seek self-reflection and repudiate the Talmud.
    , @anon
    white debils have agency so once they embrace the fact they have been under attack for decades they'll look for redress
    , @BucephalusXYZ
    For some Jews it "works", but I think they're pathetic. Figuring out the best strategy to game the system doesn't impress me. At the same time, I think some of the best Jews are some of the best humans.
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  33. Lot says:
    @International Jew
    What do you like?

    I see he's as verbally incoherent as his boss. That is, I'm not sure I know what he's saying, half the time.

    What do you like?

    His concern about Islamic expansion and terrorism, his knowledge of Christian history, his solidarity with the European right, his concern for Christian minorities in the middle east, calling out Putin as a kleptocrat while still being positive toward the Russian people, and the fact that he understands so much about the crony capitalism that is damaging our economy.

    There is just every indication that he understands that Americans have been demoralized and need someone on our side against corrupt elites.

    I see he’s as verbally incoherent as his boss.

    Direct transcripts of interviews don’t make anyone look especially good.

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  34. Lot says:
    @utu
    I read it and I am very impressed with him. I see Bannon has broader and deeper view then most politicos around. He must have had good education in classics and some exposure to Catholic teachings on society and economy, I think. As long as he is listened to by Trump and his people I have hope. I am sure there will be lots of attacks to have him sidelined because the enemy knows he is theirs most dangerous opponent. I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.

    "I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism." - Right hierarchy

    "One is a form of capitalism that is taken away from the underlying spiritual and moral foundations of Christianity and, really, Judeo-Christian belief." - He is right though I would drop the pretentious judeo prefix.

    "The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism" - Right on the money. My man! I can't stand these libertarians, etc. the useful idiots for oligarchy and neoliberal capitalism. Unfortunately there is lots of them in Silicon Valley.

    "just tired of being dictated to by what we call the party of Davos. A group of kind of — we’re not conspiracy-theory guys, but there’s certainly — and I could see this when I worked at Goldman Sachs — there are people in New York that feel closer to people in London and in Berlin than they do to people in Kansas and in Colorado," - He knows them! He knows what kind of games the financial sector (our greatest enemy) is up to.

    "the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things. " - Exactly!

    "we’re the voice of the anti-abortion movement, the voice of the traditional marriage movement" - This the reason the low level functionaries of media hate him but the true reason he is hated, which high level media functionaries know, is because of hie views on capitalism that is practiced in the US.

    I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.

    Bannon mentioned the nazi types a few times, praising UKIP for “policing” them, but also noting that there isn’t you can much do if they just start showing up to events, and that taking nationalism mainstream just dilutes them into irrelevance.

    Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media’s game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!

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    "Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media’s game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!"

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.

    The Left's brand of racism is considered acceptable mainstream racism.
    , @reiner Tor
    Without a common and public knowledge and acceptance of HBD there's always going to be public blame whitey politics, because if there's no HBD (and you're a racist for even bringing this up!), then why are NAMs so dysfunctional? Why, because white racism, of course.
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  35. @donut
    OK sailer I want to talk about movies . Right off the top of my head I want to say that "True Grit" is
    one of my favorites . Then I would guess "Lone Star" . But really we should talk about the more obscure not top ten movies , right ? Now the first one that comes to mind is "Session Nine" which that no talent faggot David Carouso is in , right ? And then may be we should consider "The Young Poisoners Hand book " but wait , there is more . "I'm Not Scared" and then there is"Ghost World " . Ok , and then there is "Captains Courageous " and " Dr. Strangelove" which are not really "obscure" . Next I guess would be "To Die For" , right ? Then "Yakuza" with Robert Mitchum . And then maybe "Drugstore Cowboy " . Of course "Winter"s Bone" before that twat stuck her nose up that N**gers ass , right ? OH , OH , OH "Shallow Grave " . Then I guess "Thick as Thieves"and"The Last Seduction " And maybe "The Night Visitor" . Oh ! And "The Missing Person" . There are more but I can't be bothered to look for them now . Hmm "Something Wicked This Way Comes " . Sadly the only thing wicked that came this way was my own base desires .

    Winter’s Bone was superb. Thumbs up! Five stars!

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  36. @Wilkey
    "The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die."

    Well yeah, some of them do. Ghost towns are a thing. The trouble with Williamson's tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can't go to California or Nevada or Arizona. They're hiring, but only if you're illegal and Mexican and willing to be abused. If you're unskilled you're out of luck. Can't develop a new skill set, like programming, because American industry would prefer importing Indians. You may spend years of your life and tens of thousands on a degree only to have no job waiting for you at the end.

    I didn't vote for Trump, but for Cruz. I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and I voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven't been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them.

    “The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona.”

    Right.

    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren’t going anywhere in life.

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    Capital abandoned people first. Rust Belt destruction had nothing to do with immigrants and everything with the paradigm shift from Keynesian to monetarist (neoliberal) economy starting with appointment of Volcker in Carter administration. BTW, Volcker was not Carter's choice. Then came Reagan and the destruction of unions and the beginning of the deindustrialization. Unions were a great guard against the scab (immigrant) labor. In 1980's most Americans except for some savvy union members did not understand what was happening and were accepting the changes that actually were engineered by the FED from the beginning to the end. The so-called measures against inflations through high interest rates were really designed to cool off economy, create unemployment, bust unions and then fight the unemployment by lowering taxes for the rich to achieve the trickle down effect or so they said. Immigration and amnesty was just a part of the same deal to create competition to now union-less thus defenseless working class from the scab labor. Then came fiscally conservative Clinton who deregulated financial institution and the cultural left got behind the changes mobilizing all useful idiots for cultural war against the white men, i.e., the working class and provided new liberal causes in untapped yet field of gender politics.

    The Left and the Right, Democrats and Republicans hand in hand executed a masterful operation on American population by turning them against each other on racial and gender lines and deprived them of remnants of solidarity. Most people haven't noticed how it happened and who really fucked them over and who was laughing all the way to the bank.

    I think that the most politically awaken group are former Obama voters who voted for Trump. If Trump wants to create a movement the core of it must be this group.
    , @Wilkey
    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans.

    Yep. One other problem with Williamson's critique is the assumption that every poor white is living in what should be a ghost town. Maybe there are a few towns which fit that description, but not even half a million Trump voters live in them.

    There are a lot of Trump voters, though, living in economically essential small towns all across America. These are the towns that are home to the people who do the vast majority of the farming, ranching, mining, drilling, and timber harvesting in this country, and they have been all but ignored by its leaders. Hell, we can't even get Bob Bennett, Evan Bayh, and Bill Clinton to move back to their home *states* after finishing their terms in office, and each of their states has some decent-sized city in which they could live. Why would we expect them to give a crap about places like Vernal, Utah or Rock Springs, Wyoming? Whatever the problems of towns like these, lacking an economic part to play is not one of them.
    , @Jack D
    In particular, non-college whites. The smarter fraction in places like upstate NY go, if not to the Ivies, then at least to the nearest state university and after college they join the hordes in Brooklyn or SF (or at least get a job in the govt bureaucracy or they have a family business they can return to). Even the smarter fraction of the blue collar whites do OK as skilled tradesmen in construction/home repair, etc. (often actually better than college whites with jobs at Starbucks) and can relocate to areas where the pay is better.

    But if you are a non-college white without a lot of skills, there's literally no place for you in Palo Alto or Cambridge - you can't even dream of moving there. To be honest, these folks were always kind of lusers, but back in the day they could get a job working in the local wallboard factory and as long as they showed up not too drunk most days they would be OK - it wasn't great and maybe you'd get silicosis but at least it was a steady paycheck. But now even that's gone and these folks are really stuck, addicted to pills and trying to make a living out of disability scams and part time work at Wal-Mart.

    What is really pathetic is the differential attitude in the Democrat party toward the black and white underclasses. In the case of the blacks, their dysfunction is either ignored (black on black crime) or else treated as something that is society's fault and must be corrected by endless government assistance. But when it comes to poor whites, they are still somehow the beneficiaries of "white privilege" and if they are dysfunctional it's their own damn fault and the party is not interested in helping them out - they would prefer if they would just hurry up and die.

    By definition, half of the population is going to be on the left side of the bell curve. In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.

    , @anony-mouse
    '... Right...'

    Wrong.

    You can go to Hawaii with an unemployment rate of 3.3%, which BTW is less than half that of Alaska. And even if you go to Hawaii and can't get a job it beats not having a job in Garbutt.

    On the other end of things there's the Dakotas which have been having a low unemployment rate right through the period of the 'White Death'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate

    Dakotas don't appear to have too many immigrants either: http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chart
    , @Camlost

    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren’t going anywhere in life.
     
    Another thing that a whole lot of people don't understand (especially liberals and even many here in this forum) is that the majority of rural, working-class whites don't want to move to other areas in the country.

    They love the areas where the families have lived for generations and have a connection to the land and the community that urbanites and immigrants simply don't understand.

    This is especially true in the South. Even many college-educated people in the South never leave their ancestral homes, when they go off to the big 4-year school they commute each and every weekend, often returning home to their high school sweetheart who attends another school. They don't feel the need to go off and do all of the cliche young people things like chase adventure or find themselves or their fortune.
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  37. @Clifford Brown
    I fully expect Trump to take Fareed Zakaria and Bill Maher to the toolshed at some point while President.

    Trump supporters may not be "hurting", but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting. Trump supporters are not addicted to opioids, but they know a neighbor that has lost a child to a heroin overdose. Trump supporters may be comfortable economically, but they see that their 25 year nephews at Thanksgiving dinner are still living at home with little hope of economic prosperity.

    In any event, the cuckservatives around Paul Ryan have high hopes the Trump administration could still be derailed for policies that are useful to billionaires (coincidentally, mostly leftists) and maybe the upper middle class, but not for Trump’s base.

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    Trump must disable Paul Ryan. How? If legitimate political means fail use black and if it fails... Start digging for dirt on Ryan now.
    , @antipater_1
    Someday they will stuff Paul Ryan and put him in a museum. Next to him will be a sign that says: Cuckservative - Species Extinct.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Tax reform is actually essential. Eliminating the income tax, corporate and personal, and replacing them with a value neutral VAT would be a significant step towards improving the USA's competitive advantage in the international marketplace and this translates into domestic jobs. It would also eliminate trhe IRS and most tax lawyers, both incredible drains on the economy. Finally, it would allow workers to enjoy the fruits of their labors without having a giant bite taken out by the feds.

    Of course, I'm dreaming. The special interests that would oppose this - particularly the legal profession - are just too strong in DC. But even modest reforms to the tax system in this country can have a positive affect.
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  38. Jefferson says:
    @Lot

    I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.
     
    Bannon mentioned the nazi types a few times, praising UKIP for "policing" them, but also noting that there isn't you can much do if they just start showing up to events, and that taking nationalism mainstream just dilutes them into irrelevance.

    Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media's game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!

    “Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media’s game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!”

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.

    The Left’s brand of racism is considered acceptable mainstream racism.

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    It is the leftist elite private universities, the leftist media, and the leftist Hollywood that set the Overton window on what is and is not acceptable.

    It's a mirror image of the way Iranian society is organized under the clerics. Advocating the legitimacy of Israel in dar-al-Islam, is treated the same way that questioning diversity against the right side of history.
    , @bomag

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.
     
    We live in the land of the one-way street.

    I noticed nothing was made of NAMBLA et al endorsing Hillary. You would think the media would at least mention something like that down in paragraph 23 of a back page story.
    , @ussr andy
    I was watching bits of Chris Hansen that someone uploaded on Youtube (I'm easily entertained.) Nearly every video has some anti-white agitator in the comments. It's triggering.

    (also, idiots wondering why there are not any women featured on the show)

    To me, this agitation is almost the worse thing than the reverse-racism (aka racism.)
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  39. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona."

    Right.

    It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren't going anywhere in life.

    Capital abandoned people first. Rust Belt destruction had nothing to do with immigrants and everything with the paradigm shift from Keynesian to monetarist (neoliberal) economy starting with appointment of Volcker in Carter administration. BTW, Volcker was not Carter’s choice. Then came Reagan and the destruction of unions and the beginning of the deindustrialization. Unions were a great guard against the scab (immigrant) labor. In 1980′s most Americans except for some savvy union members did not understand what was happening and were accepting the changes that actually were engineered by the FED from the beginning to the end. The so-called measures against inflations through high interest rates were really designed to cool off economy, create unemployment, bust unions and then fight the unemployment by lowering taxes for the rich to achieve the trickle down effect or so they said. Immigration and amnesty was just a part of the same deal to create competition to now union-less thus defenseless working class from the scab labor. Then came fiscally conservative Clinton who deregulated financial institution and the cultural left got behind the changes mobilizing all useful idiots for cultural war against the white men, i.e., the working class and provided new liberal causes in untapped yet field of gender politics.

    The Left and the Right, Democrats and Republicans hand in hand executed a masterful operation on American population by turning them against each other on racial and gender lines and deprived them of remnants of solidarity. Most people haven’t noticed how it happened and who really fucked them over and who was laughing all the way to the bank.

    I think that the most politically awaken group are former Obama voters who voted for Trump. If Trump wants to create a movement the core of it must be this group.

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    It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I think that the most politically awaken group are former Obama voters who voted for Trump
     
    Right - way to describe yourself as the bellwether and presume to bring everyone else to genuflect before your altar.

    Unions abandoned reason when they embraced the Communist model. They used to be anti-communist, but once power sounded the siren song the union leadership marched along like zombies.

    Your leftist impulse is misdirected.
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  40. utu says:
    @reiner Tor
    In any event, the cuckservatives around Paul Ryan have high hopes the Trump administration could still be derailed for policies that are useful to billionaires (coincidentally, mostly leftists) and maybe the upper middle class, but not for Trump's base.

    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/800556138181853184

    Trump must disable Paul Ryan. How? If legitimate political means fail use black and if it fails… Start digging for dirt on Ryan now.

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    I imagine Ryan has a card to play if Trump doesn't do something soon about the conflict of interest from his international businesses.
    , @BB753
    Simple, he's swinging both ways. It's written all over his stupid face.
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  41. Pericles says:
    @donut
    OK sailer I want to talk about movies . Right off the top of my head I want to say that "True Grit" is
    one of my favorites . Then I would guess "Lone Star" . But really we should talk about the more obscure not top ten movies , right ? Now the first one that comes to mind is "Session Nine" which that no talent faggot David Carouso is in , right ? And then may be we should consider "The Young Poisoners Hand book " but wait , there is more . "I'm Not Scared" and then there is"Ghost World " . Ok , and then there is "Captains Courageous " and " Dr. Strangelove" which are not really "obscure" . Next I guess would be "To Die For" , right ? Then "Yakuza" with Robert Mitchum . And then maybe "Drugstore Cowboy " . Of course "Winter"s Bone" before that twat stuck her nose up that N**gers ass , right ? OH , OH , OH "Shallow Grave " . Then I guess "Thick as Thieves"and"The Last Seduction " And maybe "The Night Visitor" . Oh ! And "The Missing Person" . There are more but I can't be bothered to look for them now . Hmm "Something Wicked This Way Comes " . Sadly the only thing wicked that came this way was my own base desires .

    I wanna talk about music, there was this great song I saw on youtube uh with a girl let’s and I heard another one a few days ago I’ll whistle and these guys at spotif released a new playlist “Discover Weekly” great great so great actually pretty good please don’t moderate away my comment at whim, Steve

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    A song from my homeland :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nRU0GEBmWc
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  42. donut says:

    “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.” The truth of this phrase has only begun to make sense to me in the last few years . I suspect that you and many of your commenters while remaining more or less stationary have found that they are now the aliens amongst a race of people with a strange and inscrutable culture . We will never belong or fit in . Not our loss though . I remember the country where I was born and raised . I wouldn’t trade my memories of that place for anything and I will be content to fade away with that world . I have no desire to become a citizen of this new world.

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  43. donut says:
    @Pericles
    I wanna talk about music, there was this great song I saw on youtube uh with a girl let's and I heard another one a few days ago I'll whistle and these guys at spotif released a new playlist "Discover Weekly" great great so great actually pretty good please don't moderate away my comment at whim, Steve

    A song from my homeland :

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  44. The correlation between Trump and death rates is in some ways even larger than what the Economist’s graph shows at a county level, since Republican states have higher and more quickly increasing white death rates in general, putting aside where Trump did better than Romney:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/toad_spotted/status/796366336439922688

    (I might have been the first to post this right after the election, but since other people had noted the correlation during the primaries, it wasn’t much of a brainwave.)
    These county-level white middle-aged death rates seem to be moderated by income, SSI-Disability, and obesity rates; (https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/correlates-of-middle-aged-white-mortality/ ); my guess is that obesity and obesity-related pain is contributing significantly to opioid abuse, particularly among women (as Andrew Gelman noted after the Case/Deaton article came out, white death rates are rising more among women than men, and this is certainly true of opioids as well.) Also, economically some places like West Virginia haven’t done all that badly in the 21st century ( https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/04/15/west-virginia-or-the-bad-news-takes-a-long-time-to-arrive/) relative to where they were in the 90s, but have seen huge increases in death rates. I don’t think that’s shocking; if you started drinking or doing drugs heavily early in the 2000s, that’s going to show up in the mortality statistics by 2013 even if the local economy improved modestly in the mean time.

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  45. @Lot

    I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.
     
    Bannon mentioned the nazi types a few times, praising UKIP for "policing" them, but also noting that there isn't you can much do if they just start showing up to events, and that taking nationalism mainstream just dilutes them into irrelevance.

    Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media's game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!

    Without a common and public knowledge and acceptance of HBD there’s always going to be public blame whitey politics, because if there’s no HBD (and you’re a racist for even bringing this up!), then why are NAMs so dysfunctional? Why, because white racism, of course.

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    yes

    the choice is force genetics into the mainstream or continue to allow white kids to be psychologically abused in schools for "privilege"

    (more blood on the hands of the banking mafia)
    , @SFG
    Conservatives used to blame culture, before even that became too un-PC. You have to admit ghetto culture is awful.
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  46. Tiny Duck says:

    Yes, loss of primacy and privilege is scary. We whites should look forward to more equitable future not fear it. Leonard Pitts makes this point repeatedly.

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    Mr. Pitts glorifies the White Death.

    In a just world, he would be deported to Castro's Cuba.

    http://sullivan-county.com/racism/leonard_pitts.htm
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  47. Lot says:

    Kobach is going to be appointed to homeland security and is already planning to implement the entire restrictionist agenda.

    Looks like Trump will not be a sellout.

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  48. Maj. Kong says:
    @utu
    "I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace “victimization” as the path to success. It hasn’t actually worked for anyone." - For Jews it worked but perhaps it was just a stratagem as they never have been victimized here in the US.

    If we don’t get major restrictions on immigration, I would not be surprised to see Jews victimized as occurred time after time in the Old World. The smoking gun is quite clearly in the hand of Cellar and Schumer.

    Of course, I suspect many in the Jewish community regard “victimization” as mere evangelistic persuasion. The peaceful sermon is apparently worse than the Cossack’s boot.

    But to speak in the language of Cultural Marxism, the Jews have suffered the greatest cultural appropriation in the history of humanity. Both by St. Paul and later by Muhammad.

    Easier to cast yourself as the victim, rather than seek self-reflection and repudiate the Talmud.

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    But to speak in the language of Cultural Marxism, the Jews have suffered the greatest cultural appropriation in the history of humanity. Both by St. Paul and later by Muhammad.
     
    The flip side of cultural appropriation is cultural influence.
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  49. Maj. Kong says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Yes, loss of primacy and privilege is scary. We whites should look forward to more equitable future not fear it. Leonard Pitts makes this point repeatedly.

    Mr. Pitts glorifies the White Death.

    In a just world, he would be deported to Castro’s Cuba.

    http://sullivan-county.com/racism/leonard_pitts.htm

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  50. Maj. Kong says:
    @International Jew
    What do you like?

    I see he's as verbally incoherent as his boss. That is, I'm not sure I know what he's saying, half the time.

    Harvard Business School, GoldmanSachs, now the biggest disruptor in media.

    Bannon did what Roger Ailes and Rush Limbaugh combined could not. He short-circuited the establishment, and unlike Goldwater, he won.

    There was once a Col. McCormick of Chicago, were I the reincarnation type, Bannon would have his number.

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  51. Maj. Kong says:
    @Jefferson
    "Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media’s game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!"

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.

    The Left's brand of racism is considered acceptable mainstream racism.

    It is the leftist elite private universities, the leftist media, and the leftist Hollywood that set the Overton window on what is and is not acceptable.

    It’s a mirror image of the way Iranian society is organized under the clerics. Advocating the legitimacy of Israel in dar-al-Islam, is treated the same way that questioning diversity against the right side of history.

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  52. @reiner Tor
    In any event, the cuckservatives around Paul Ryan have high hopes the Trump administration could still be derailed for policies that are useful to billionaires (coincidentally, mostly leftists) and maybe the upper middle class, but not for Trump's base.

    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/800556138181853184

    Someday they will stuff Paul Ryan and put him in a museum. Next to him will be a sign that says: Cuckservative – Species Extinct.

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  53. bomag says:
    @tanabear
    "Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities."

    If only they were less civic-minded and more self-centered then they would have voted for Hillary. Being civic-minded today is now called racism.

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election. It turns out the deplorables beat the delusionals.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDLgxrQDTVo

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election

    That would be the teeth-grindingly smug Bill Maher. Just note the little tactics he uses: he’ll eagerly mention marginal supporters who exhibit “deplorable” behavior, then he’ll discuss “typical” Trump supporters and imply that they are cut from the same cloth. He gripes that modern media has made it easier for Trump to spread his message, a message with untruths, while drafting off his celebrity. This is one hacker griping that there are other hackers out there.

    And Maher worries about violence after a Trump loss. What psychological projection! And his prediction that the markets will tank if Trump wins; ha ha ha!

    He say Trump would be “government by snit”. That pretty much encapsulates much of modern governing.

    And his saccharin gushing over Hillary was disgusting.

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    Relevant from the Onion:

    Bill Maher Spends All Night Arguing With Republican Hooker

    http://www.theonion.com/article/bill-maher-spends-all-night-arguing-with-republica-1721
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  54. JMcG says:
    @Clifford Brown
    I fully expect Trump to take Fareed Zakaria and Bill Maher to the toolshed at some point while President.

    Trump supporters may not be "hurting", but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting. Trump supporters are not addicted to opioids, but they know a neighbor that has lost a child to a heroin overdose. Trump supporters may be comfortable economically, but they see that their 25 year nephews at Thanksgiving dinner are still living at home with little hope of economic prosperity.

    You have just described me to a tee.

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  55. bomag says:
    @Jefferson
    "Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media’s game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!"

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.

    The Left's brand of racism is considered acceptable mainstream racism.

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.

    We live in the land of the one-way street.

    I noticed nothing was made of NAMBLA et al endorsing Hillary. You would think the media would at least mention something like that down in paragraph 23 of a back page story.

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    There was that comment about Haiti that the Donald made at the Al Smith Dinner. That was a dogwhistle to Hillary and her folks that the child molestation and trafficking thing was coming at them.
    Nambla, Spirit Painting, Haitian villages denuded of their children by an American trafficker close to Hillary. This is the weird side of our world. I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials.
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  56. Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals

    That pretty much covers it in my experience.

    The rest is superfluous.

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  57. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    Trump must disable Paul Ryan. How? If legitimate political means fail use black and if it fails... Start digging for dirt on Ryan now.

    I imagine Ryan has a card to play if Trump doesn’t do something soon about the conflict of interest from his international businesses.

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    No he doesn't. The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws. Trump is no fool - like releasing his income taxes and allowing the press pool to follow him everywhere, a lot of customs have grown up around the President but customs are not law and Trump has plenty of lawyers to advise him on which is what and to keep him on the good side of the law. You can imagine that if Trump had ever crossed the line on the criminal law that Hillary would have advertised this a million times but he has always been careful not to. One of the reasons why Trump was able to get casino licenses in NJ was that his record was totally clean.

    As for customs, all that his opponents can do is feign apoplexy and they have kvetched so many times now that the attacks have lost their sting. Some of the customs were frankly stupid to begin with - why shouldn't the President be able to go out to dinner without a bus full of reporters following him? I don't think that any foreign leader gets this treatment. The President of France was able to sneak out of the palace on a moped to see his mistress.
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  58. ussr andy says:
    @Jefferson
    "Trump showed this same healthy nonchalance toward that nazi/klan crew by just ignoring or brushing off questions about them. He would not play the media’s game of ritualistically denouncing RACISM!"

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.

    The Left's brand of racism is considered acceptable mainstream racism.

    I was watching bits of Chris Hansen that someone uploaded on Youtube (I’m easily entertained.) Nearly every video has some anti-white agitator in the comments. It’s triggering.

    (also, idiots wondering why there are not any women featured on the show)

    To me, this agitation is almost the worse thing than the reverse-racism (aka racism.)

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  59. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=steve%20sailer,richard%20spencer

    This is a travesty. I don't know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump, other than he and his friends like to root for trump on twitter. He likes to say he is the brains behind trump: absolutely not. It's clear "Adios America" provided the intellectual impetus behind the Trump campaign, making immigration Trump's signature issue for proving how corrupt/incompetent elites are. I don't see any profiles of Ann, especially since her ideas are (somewhat) in the overton window. I've seen like 10 profiles of Spencer so far, and he's getting all these interviews. And it's clear who Coulter is inspired by. I don't see a lot of reflection or intellectual examination of the Trump phenonmenon in the MSM: it's just "look there's a racist"! ...

    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn’t try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

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    Was this meant as sarcasm?!
    , @Desiderius

    I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.
     
    You can jump that shark when we get to it.

    For the time being your idiocy, such as it is, is useful enough.
    , @Romanian

    Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.
     
    Caliph?

    On-topic:

    You guys may call it the White Death, but your enemies call it the Deplorable Decrease, the White Privilege Attrition Enhancer or... a good start.
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    You're delusional. That stunt at his meeting has HURT the cause of immigration control.
    , @SFG
    Sorry, I do not see this happening. It is just not the fashion in this country.

    Seriously it would take a lot longer than that for white identity politics to get that far. Whites are still a majority, for starters. And Spencer's instincts are all wrong...'synthwave nostalgia' for the alt-right logo and Tila Tequila as a spokeswoman? That's a great way to run an ironic youth movement and a lousy way to get the mom-and-apple-pie crowd.
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  60. George says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Perhaps, but crackers are supposed to die off and get out of the way of the future.

    It's the right side of history.

    When Bush II started pouring wealth into the the Iraqistan mess the healthcare system collapsed. Obamacare was an attempt to correct this, but O never managed to close down W’s wars.

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    LOL! Best non-sequitur I've seen all week.
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  61. CK says:
    @utu
    Capital abandoned people first. Rust Belt destruction had nothing to do with immigrants and everything with the paradigm shift from Keynesian to monetarist (neoliberal) economy starting with appointment of Volcker in Carter administration. BTW, Volcker was not Carter's choice. Then came Reagan and the destruction of unions and the beginning of the deindustrialization. Unions were a great guard against the scab (immigrant) labor. In 1980's most Americans except for some savvy union members did not understand what was happening and were accepting the changes that actually were engineered by the FED from the beginning to the end. The so-called measures against inflations through high interest rates were really designed to cool off economy, create unemployment, bust unions and then fight the unemployment by lowering taxes for the rich to achieve the trickle down effect or so they said. Immigration and amnesty was just a part of the same deal to create competition to now union-less thus defenseless working class from the scab labor. Then came fiscally conservative Clinton who deregulated financial institution and the cultural left got behind the changes mobilizing all useful idiots for cultural war against the white men, i.e., the working class and provided new liberal causes in untapped yet field of gender politics.

    The Left and the Right, Democrats and Republicans hand in hand executed a masterful operation on American population by turning them against each other on racial and gender lines and deprived them of remnants of solidarity. Most people haven't noticed how it happened and who really fucked them over and who was laughing all the way to the bank.

    I think that the most politically awaken group are former Obama voters who voted for Trump. If Trump wants to create a movement the core of it must be this group.

    It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind.

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    "It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind."

    Exactly.

    I've been trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton got over 47% of the popular vote in this election. The problem is that her policies have been so perfectly aligned with the 1% that she really should have just gotten the votes of the tribal Donk loyalists plus people living in the wealthier NY, DC, and SF suburbs. This leaves aside the scandals or her record in government.

    The only thing I can figure out is the wall-to-wall pro-Clinton mainstream media coverage, plus her spending advantage from the corporate money coming into her campaign. And really there was a similar dynamic in favor of her husband in the 1990s, and things like the 1996 Telecom Act were a big part of that.

    Trump's smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.
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  62. jacobsson says:

    I loves this line: “The data suggest that the ill may have been particularly susceptible to Mr Trump’s message.”

    Not receptive. Susceptible.

    These diseased people have a weakened immune system. This lowers their resistance to ward off the sickness of Trump’s message.

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    These diseased people have a weakened immune system. This lowers their resistance to ward off the sickness of Trump’s message.

    Trump's message was far healthier than the victimization and identity politics the Left has been purveying for decades. Remember when Hillary Clinton said she wouldn't regulate the banks because doing so 'wouldn't stop racism and sexism'? Well, actually she said she'd break them up "if" they needed to be broken up - which means she had zero intention of breaking them up.

    We're nearing the end of eight years of Obama - eight years that followed the biggest economic catastrophe we've seen in 80 years. Hundreds or even thousands of bankers should be in prison for the real crimes they committed, but not one single banker sits in prison for it.*

    * Well actually one banker has gone to prison, but I suspect that's because they didn't want anyone to be able to write the sentence I wrote above. I wrote it anyway, because it's essentially true.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Good to see another Leftist shill, jacobsson; you been a champion of tyranny long? Or are you a newly minted proponent of slavery?
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  63. CK says:
    @bomag

    The Democratic Party are never asked by the mainstream media to denounce the part of their voter base who openly admit they hate White people and the police.
     
    We live in the land of the one-way street.

    I noticed nothing was made of NAMBLA et al endorsing Hillary. You would think the media would at least mention something like that down in paragraph 23 of a back page story.

    There was that comment about Haiti that the Donald made at the Al Smith Dinner. That was a dogwhistle to Hillary and her folks that the child molestation and trafficking thing was coming at them.
    Nambla, Spirit Painting, Haitian villages denuded of their children by an American trafficker close to Hillary. This is the weird side of our world. I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials.

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    "I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials."

    Yeah. I remember the Mooney Times put out that thing about the pedos. Guess someone sent a message, it was received, then back down the memory hole.

    Was a front pager too in Washington if I remember correctly. Funny how stuff like that goes away.

    The Jeff Gannon thing (is he now hooked up with the second most closeted case after Lindsay Graham, Karl Rove?) was tailor made to blow up into a media feeding frenzy.

    It had everything. Absolutely everything. Could have been the Casey Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Jon Benet Ramsey cases rolled into one, with a touch of Watergate to pique the serious ones in media.

    But nothing. Total silence.

    These media events don't arise spontaneously. They are endlessly promoted in the media. Some event happens somewhere, one with some hooks and meat to it. And they start a marketing campaign.

    Unless the people who own the media companies say:

    "Nah, not this one. Something else will come along, you can count on that in a country of this size. So even though this one is a hanging meatball over the plate, just waiting to get launched over the fence in a mammoth home run, we're passing.

    What? Our competitors are going to run with the story? HA HA HA HA!"

    Personally I thought the LIBOR story was a bigger deal than the housing bubble. But nothing.

    Good god, bond traders make and lose freaking fortunes based on how interest rates go. So many things like ARM's are tied to the rates. I'd wager a guess that the money that changed hands while this thing was going on (and is it still going on frankly?) is greater than the housing bubble (if someone bothered to do the accounting).

    Yet nothing. Like it never happened.

    Basically Goldman Sachs and some other vested entities could decide WHAT they wanted the LIBOR rate to be, and that affected all the other things inexplicably tied to what rate a group of UK banks set.

    No wonder those bastards are rich. And our genius media, "Speaking Truth to Power," wasn't even vaguely interested?

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  64. Wilkey says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona."

    Right.

    It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren't going anywhere in life.

    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans.

    Yep. One other problem with Williamson’s critique is the assumption that every poor white is living in what should be a ghost town. Maybe there are a few towns which fit that description, but not even half a million Trump voters live in them.

    There are a lot of Trump voters, though, living in economically essential small towns all across America. These are the towns that are home to the people who do the vast majority of the farming, ranching, mining, drilling, and timber harvesting in this country, and they have been all but ignored by its leaders. Hell, we can’t even get Bob Bennett, Evan Bayh, and Bill Clinton to move back to their home *states* after finishing their terms in office, and each of their states has some decent-sized city in which they could live. Why would we expect them to give a crap about places like Vernal, Utah or Rock Springs, Wyoming? Whatever the problems of towns like these, lacking an economic part to play is not one of them.

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    Why would we expect them to give a crap about places like Vernal, Utah or Rock Springs, Wyoming?

    Many of them come back home to die, not just politicians.
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  65. AndrewR says:
    @eah
    You mean stripping lower class Whites of their economic livelihood, talking about them like they're shit, forcing them to do things against their will and beliefs like bake cakes and pizzas for homosexual 'weddings', talking up 'diversity' 24/7 (except in crime stories) like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then via coercive taxation making them pay for the system doing all of that, leads to feelings of hopelessness and worthlessness? That's a surprise.

    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer/status/800558844753612800

    The idea that “rural America” has “waged a war” against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don’t even know how to respond.

    As for people who like foreigners, among whom I kind of count myself (I obviously don’t like all coreigners equally), I would suggest actually going to foreign countries instead of opening up our borders.

    I have friends I love to visit but whom I’d never want to live with.

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    "a war against books and the ocean "...Makes me think of King Canute, for some reason. Not too sure about the war on books...Huckleberry Finn was not banned from school libraries by conservatives.
    , @dfordoom

    The idea that “rural America” has “waged a war” against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don’t even know how to respond.
     
    So oceanophobia is now a thing? Do rural Americans hate all oceans? Should oceans be protected by hate-speech laws?
    , @SFG
    Every nation has its New York. The whole country doesn't have to be like that.

    We had a quite sensible arrangement where they'd arrive in the cities and gradually spread out as they assimilated. It's when they started sending truckloads of Hispanics to Iowa that I knew they'd screwed up.
    , @anon
    They're projecting their own anti-white hatred - everything is reversed.
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  66. Wilkey says:
    @jacobsson
    I loves this line: "The data suggest that the ill may have been particularly susceptible to Mr Trump’s message."

    Not receptive. Susceptible.

    These diseased people have a weakened immune system. This lowers their resistance to ward off the sickness of Trump's message.

    These diseased people have a weakened immune system. This lowers their resistance to ward off the sickness of Trump’s message.

    Trump’s message was far healthier than the victimization and identity politics the Left has been purveying for decades. Remember when Hillary Clinton said she wouldn’t regulate the banks because doing so ‘wouldn’t stop racism and sexism’? Well, actually she said she’d break them up “if” they needed to be broken up – which means she had zero intention of breaking them up.

    We’re nearing the end of eight years of Obama – eight years that followed the biggest economic catastrophe we’ve seen in 80 years. Hundreds or even thousands of bankers should be in prison for the real crimes they committed, but not one single banker sits in prison for it.*

    * Well actually one banker has gone to prison, but I suspect that’s because they didn’t want anyone to be able to write the sentence I wrote above. I wrote it anyway, because it’s essentially true.

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  67. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    Historic slap down of media bosses by Trump. But the worst offenders are just underlings of Immelt/GE and the father son
    who run Cox.

    Trump is so right on the money to be aggressive with these scoundrels. He sent a message tonight.

    GE is out of the media business

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  68. Anon87 says:

    OT: More liberal projection, this time in the form of a “National Registry of White Males”.

    “Statistically speaking, white men pose the greatest threat to domestic security for all American Citizens.” I really don’t think they want to go here.

    Also, it is interesting to see that “the Working Class” is considered a marginalized group. Is the implication that it isn’t white?

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  69. Sunbeam says:
    @CK
    There was that comment about Haiti that the Donald made at the Al Smith Dinner. That was a dogwhistle to Hillary and her folks that the child molestation and trafficking thing was coming at them.
    Nambla, Spirit Painting, Haitian villages denuded of their children by an American trafficker close to Hillary. This is the weird side of our world. I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials.

    “I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials.”

    Yeah. I remember the Mooney Times put out that thing about the pedos. Guess someone sent a message, it was received, then back down the memory hole.

    Was a front pager too in Washington if I remember correctly. Funny how stuff like that goes away.

    The Jeff Gannon thing (is he now hooked up with the second most closeted case after Lindsay Graham, Karl Rove?) was tailor made to blow up into a media feeding frenzy.

    It had everything. Absolutely everything. Could have been the Casey Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Jon Benet Ramsey cases rolled into one, with a touch of Watergate to pique the serious ones in media.

    But nothing. Total silence.

    These media events don’t arise spontaneously. They are endlessly promoted in the media. Some event happens somewhere, one with some hooks and meat to it. And they start a marketing campaign.

    Unless the people who own the media companies say:

    “Nah, not this one. Something else will come along, you can count on that in a country of this size. So even though this one is a hanging meatball over the plate, just waiting to get launched over the fence in a mammoth home run, we’re passing.

    What? Our competitors are going to run with the story? HA HA HA HA!”

    Personally I thought the LIBOR story was a bigger deal than the housing bubble. But nothing.

    Good god, bond traders make and lose freaking fortunes based on how interest rates go. So many things like ARM’s are tied to the rates. I’d wager a guess that the money that changed hands while this thing was going on (and is it still going on frankly?) is greater than the housing bubble (if someone bothered to do the accounting).

    Yet nothing. Like it never happened.

    Basically Goldman Sachs and some other vested entities could decide WHAT they wanted the LIBOR rate to be, and that affected all the other things inexplicably tied to what rate a group of UK banks set.

    No wonder those bastards are rich. And our genius media, “Speaking Truth to Power,” wasn’t even vaguely interested?

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    James Dale Guckert (Jeff Gannon) appears to have become an unperson.
    , @utu
    "These media events don’t arise spontaneously. " - There seem to be master script.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8dejYGa5A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9x-yDyN78
    , @Pericles
    In this vein, I thought it was remarkable when the USA nakedly intimidated the rating agencies into giving them their required AAA rating. Another financial pillar of dust.
    , @anon
    The parasitic banking mafia own the media - the media act as a public relations agency for the parasitic banking mafia.
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  70. @AndrewR
    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn't try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    Was this meant as sarcasm?!

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  71. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    I agree. It is demoralization. Health, opiates use stem from lost hope, low spirit.

    yes – it’s mass un and under employment combined with no hope of improvement

    the banking mafia’s cheap labor economics is the root cause greatly magnified by the scum media covering up the consequences for 20 years so there was no chance of course correction

    IIRC the total excess is 500,000 people over the trend so that’s another 1/2 million dead to add to the banker-media’s blood debt.

    the Economist being one of the most guilty

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  72. iffen says:
    @Wilkey
    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans.

    Yep. One other problem with Williamson's critique is the assumption that every poor white is living in what should be a ghost town. Maybe there are a few towns which fit that description, but not even half a million Trump voters live in them.

    There are a lot of Trump voters, though, living in economically essential small towns all across America. These are the towns that are home to the people who do the vast majority of the farming, ranching, mining, drilling, and timber harvesting in this country, and they have been all but ignored by its leaders. Hell, we can't even get Bob Bennett, Evan Bayh, and Bill Clinton to move back to their home *states* after finishing their terms in office, and each of their states has some decent-sized city in which they could live. Why would we expect them to give a crap about places like Vernal, Utah or Rock Springs, Wyoming? Whatever the problems of towns like these, lacking an economic part to play is not one of them.

    Why would we expect them to give a crap about places like Vernal, Utah or Rock Springs, Wyoming?

    Many of them come back home to die, not just politicians.

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  73. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @utu
    "I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace “victimization” as the path to success. It hasn’t actually worked for anyone." - For Jews it worked but perhaps it was just a stratagem as they never have been victimized here in the US.

    white debils have agency so once they embrace the fact they have been under attack for decades they’ll look for redress

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  74. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @reiner Tor
    Without a common and public knowledge and acceptance of HBD there's always going to be public blame whitey politics, because if there's no HBD (and you're a racist for even bringing this up!), then why are NAMs so dysfunctional? Why, because white racism, of course.

    yes

    the choice is force genetics into the mainstream or continue to allow white kids to be psychologically abused in schools for “privilege”

    (more blood on the hands of the banking mafia)

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  75. @Wilkey
    "The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die."

    Well yeah, some of them do. Ghost towns are a thing. The trouble with Williamson's tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can't go to California or Nevada or Arizona. They're hiring, but only if you're illegal and Mexican and willing to be abused. If you're unskilled you're out of luck. Can't develop a new skill set, like programming, because American industry would prefer importing Indians. You may spend years of your life and tens of thousands on a degree only to have no job waiting for you at the end.

    I didn't vote for Trump, but for Cruz. I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and I voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven't been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them.

    “…I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven’t been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them.”

    Well said. And you get tired of white liberal types railing “I hate white guys” from their all-white affluent neighborhoods.

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    "Well said. And you get tired of white liberal types railing “I hate white guys” from their all-white affluent neighborhoods."

    How about White Liberal women who say they hate White guys, but they only date White guys, lol. Talk about sleeping with the enemy. No wonder feminism never trumps racial tribalism's need to breed within one's race.
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  76. CNN actually showed a picture of the bus driver in the TN crash. Perhaps there are already subtle changes in Trump’s America.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-chattanooga-school-bus-accident/

    File under: yet another thing to worry about. Have you seen your kids’ bus driver lately? What a pain it would be to drive my kids to school, but I’d have NO CHOICE if their bus driver looked like that. Ugh.

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    The bus driver looks like Boehner' son-in-law, lol!
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Or you could pay a 17-25yo to do it so they could save up respectably for a real college degree and avoid student loan debt.
    , @Jack D
    The bus driver looked like his passengers.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Bus drivers are yet another reason to homeschool.

    I read in some periodical that 90% of British pupils are driven to school by their parents. That number seems high even for the most isolated US exurb. Is this post-Dunblane paranoia? Daily Mail subscriptions?
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  77. @Anon
    OT: Does anyone hear know anything about Westbrook Pegler? Interesting guy, very popular in his own time, but there's not much written about him that I can find.

    Years ago Pat Buchanan was sometimes called Westbrook Pegler’s successor. In my college days, I read about writer Quentin Reynolds libel suit against Pegler. Reynolds won.

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    That was a case where Pegler accused Reynolds of some sexual impropriety, among other things. I think it's in one of Louis Nizer's books.

    Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Pegler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler
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  78. @BucephalusXYZ
    This article by Kevin Williamson is really more complex than many give it credit for.
    He says:
    "It [roughly, Trumpism] is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn't."
    I agree with critics that that is false. For some time now, the elite class has cultivated an outlook in which it seems "morally right" to feel and express outright hatred and disgust for the white working class. Elite whites express this as a "self-aware" "critique" of their own "whiteness", when in reality it is a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, an affirmation of their own success, or their own apparent success, at finding a path in life that surrounds them with the better whites and the better non-whites.

    But Williamson also says (of the working class whites):
    "They failed themselves."
    This is not wrong. Indeed it is true of most of us. Others may victimize you, but when you embrace your own helplessness, you do fail yourself.

    I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace "victimization" as the path to success. It hasn't actually worked for anyone.

    We tend not to make a critical distinction with regard to leftist coastal elitism. People born to wealth and privilege in Manhattan or Los Angeles generally have little interest in the white working class/badwhites either way – they tend to be self-involved and interested in their own spheres of influence. It’s the whites who believe that they’ve elevated their status in moving to coastal cities from places populated by badwhites who are the most anxious about their new status – it’s much more an Oedipal/Patricide thing than it is a coherent politics.

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    Converts always make the most zealous inquisitors and enforcers.
    , @Grumpy
    Good point.

    It's those for whom the "signaling" is most important who seem to take prevailing ideas most literally and seriously: striving journalists, teachers, professors, actors, writers, musicians, young professionals, etc.
    , @BucephalusXYZ
    Good points here, and from the other replies so far to this comment.

    It does seem that the cultural authority of the "real" Manhattan/LA elites is in a state of ongoing collapse. I don't know what this portends.

    In my own experience, it does seem that those who think they have considerably "upgraded" their status are the most vociferous culture warriors.

    There does seem to be a curious middle ground here. My own background is in technocratic suburbia. I certainly never identified as either "working class" or "elite". I did not wish to be a technocrat, and at times in the past embraced various forms of SJW idealism.
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  79. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona."

    Right.

    It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren't going anywhere in life.

    In particular, non-college whites. The smarter fraction in places like upstate NY go, if not to the Ivies, then at least to the nearest state university and after college they join the hordes in Brooklyn or SF (or at least get a job in the govt bureaucracy or they have a family business they can return to). Even the smarter fraction of the blue collar whites do OK as skilled tradesmen in construction/home repair, etc. (often actually better than college whites with jobs at Starbucks) and can relocate to areas where the pay is better.

    But if you are a non-college white without a lot of skills, there’s literally no place for you in Palo Alto or Cambridge – you can’t even dream of moving there. To be honest, these folks were always kind of lusers, but back in the day they could get a job working in the local wallboard factory and as long as they showed up not too drunk most days they would be OK – it wasn’t great and maybe you’d get silicosis but at least it was a steady paycheck. But now even that’s gone and these folks are really stuck, addicted to pills and trying to make a living out of disability scams and part time work at Wal-Mart.

    What is really pathetic is the differential attitude in the Democrat party toward the black and white underclasses. In the case of the blacks, their dysfunction is either ignored (black on black crime) or else treated as something that is society’s fault and must be corrected by endless government assistance. But when it comes to poor whites, they are still somehow the beneficiaries of “white privilege” and if they are dysfunctional it’s their own damn fault and the party is not interested in helping them out – they would prefer if they would just hurry up and die.

    By definition, half of the population is going to be on the left side of the bell curve. In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.

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    No, they could be domestic labor so the people who can earn white collar money didn't end up bloated wrecks from commuting and helicopter parenting, but apparently we're all supposed to pretend to be middle class instead.
    , @SFG
    Very well said. I'm not surprised they voted for the guy who didn't act like he hated them.

    Part of having a country is having to take care of the slow half of your country. You have a slow cousin, you give him a job cleaning the floors in the factory, even if there's someone who could do it better, because he's family, and he's got to have something to do.
    , @anon

    In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.
     
    Completely untrue.

    They were *displaced* from their place by cheaper illegal immigrants.

    Their place was taken from them for the benefit of a pack of greedy parasites.
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  80. BB753 says:
    @utu
    Trump must disable Paul Ryan. How? If legitimate political means fail use black and if it fails... Start digging for dirt on Ryan now.

    Simple, he’s swinging both ways. It’s written all over his stupid face.

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  81. David says:

    Mostly off topic: Thomas Friedman on WBUR’s On Point this morning said regarding Americans voting for Trump hoping to keep jobs in America and coal mines open, “If horses could vote, we would still have carriages.” Americans who voted for Trump are the horses in Mr Friedman’s analogy.

    No contempt there, just deploring Boxer again.

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    Obvious nonsense
    - mass immigration is a choice
    - off-shoring is a choice

    off-shoring in particular required numerous steps by a small pack of greedy parasites to make it possible
    - share holder value
    - making hostile takeovers easier
    - junk bonds
    - "free trade" agreements

    all of those things were done by the pack of greedy parasites and all of them were needed to force corporations to off-shore or risk being taken over
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  82. SPMoore8 says:
    @David In TN
    Years ago Pat Buchanan was sometimes called Westbrook Pegler's successor. In my college days, I read about writer Quentin Reynolds libel suit against Pegler. Reynolds won.

    That was a case where Pegler accused Reynolds of some sexual impropriety, among other things. I think it’s in one of Louis Nizer’s books.

    Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Pegler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler

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    Yep, Louis Nizer of Phillips Nizer. That firm is still around. My family stayed at a house in Pawley's Island a few years ago called The Lemon House. My mom had been going to Pawley's since she was a child in the 30s. As a coincidence, her father had been a friend of Calhoun Lemon, the original owner of the house. A lawyer (my sister had done the renting with no knowledge of this family history.

    Anyway, this house made it through Hurricane Hugo, etc. In the house, framed, was a pen sketch of Calhoun Lemon, Esq. on a napkin from the Algonquin Hotel, NYC. Signed by Louis Nizer.

    And now you know the REST of the story. Page 2 after this word from Coleman...
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  83. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous
    I imagine Ryan has a card to play if Trump doesn't do something soon about the conflict of interest from his international businesses.

    No he doesn’t. The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws. Trump is no fool – like releasing his income taxes and allowing the press pool to follow him everywhere, a lot of customs have grown up around the President but customs are not law and Trump has plenty of lawyers to advise him on which is what and to keep him on the good side of the law. You can imagine that if Trump had ever crossed the line on the criminal law that Hillary would have advertised this a million times but he has always been careful not to. One of the reasons why Trump was able to get casino licenses in NJ was that his record was totally clean.

    As for customs, all that his opponents can do is feign apoplexy and they have kvetched so many times now that the attacks have lost their sting. Some of the customs were frankly stupid to begin with – why shouldn’t the President be able to go out to dinner without a bus full of reporters following him? I don’t think that any foreign leader gets this treatment. The President of France was able to sneak out of the palace on a moped to see his mistress.

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    The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws.
     
    I guess I hadn't realized this might be so. Is this true only of the Executive Branch? Is it true of governors?
    , @Anonymous
    So we can look forward to reading stuff like this (twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/801022537928994816) all the time?

    Taunting the media while his kids run business deals in parallel to presidential foreign affairs is pure hubris -- no wonder Kellyanne says he's telling the Justice Department to call off the dogs on Hillary.

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  84. @Steve Sailer
    "The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona."

    Right.

    It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren't going anywhere in life.

    ‘… Right…’

    Wrong.

    You can go to Hawaii with an unemployment rate of 3.3%, which BTW is less than half that of Alaska. And even if you go to Hawaii and can’t get a job it beats not having a job in Garbutt.

    On the other end of things there’s the Dakotas which have been having a low unemployment rate right through the period of the ‘White Death’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate

    Dakotas don’t appear to have too many immigrants either: http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chart

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    On the other end of things there’s the Dakotas which have been having a low unemployment rate right through the period of the ‘White Death’.
     
    the Dakotas are a low spot in the White Death suicide map (created by the pack of greedy parasites who i assume includes you)
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  85. AndrewR says:
    @Jasper Been
    Was this meant as sarcasm?!

    0%.

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  86. Jack D says:
    @BucephalusXYZ
    This article by Kevin Williamson is really more complex than many give it credit for.
    He says:
    "It [roughly, Trumpism] is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn't."
    I agree with critics that that is false. For some time now, the elite class has cultivated an outlook in which it seems "morally right" to feel and express outright hatred and disgust for the white working class. Elite whites express this as a "self-aware" "critique" of their own "whiteness", when in reality it is a self-congratulatory circle-jerk, an affirmation of their own success, or their own apparent success, at finding a path in life that surrounds them with the better whites and the better non-whites.

    But Williamson also says (of the working class whites):
    "They failed themselves."
    This is not wrong. Indeed it is true of most of us. Others may victimize you, but when you embrace your own helplessness, you do fail yourself.

    I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace "victimization" as the path to success. It hasn't actually worked for anyone.

    If working class whites have embraced victimization it is only out of desperation and because in modern America you get Pokemon points based on where you are on the victim scale – if you don’t rate any victim points then no one is interested in helping you.

    All these folks really wanted was a decent day’s pay in return for a decent day’s work. They had a tolerable setup working at the local widget factory – it was hard work and boring but you did what you had to do to provide for your family. But then some genius decided that we should embrace globalization and add 5 cents a share to his employer’s quarterly earnings by moving his factory to China or Mexico. Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer (not that foreigners haven’t taken those jobs too) or starting their own business. A government that loved its own people would have done something to keep the widget factory from closing – imposed tariffs on imported widgets or at least not made the factory owner’s life miserable with endless regulations and AA mandates, etc. In most cases, these were not “sunset industries”. Carrier or Nabisco or whomever were still making and selling the same air conditioners and cookies, etc. , they were just going to make them cheaper in Mexico. They would literally pick up the factory and move it across the border and make the same thing for cheaper and pocket the difference. They would sell their product to Americans for dollars but employ Mexicans and pay them pesos. What sane government would permit this?

    But our government really didn’t give a damn about these folks. Even though the government interferes in the market in every way shape and form, when it came to them suddenly they were free marketers and they were on their own.

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    Socialism for me, capitalism for thee.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    A brilliantly concise analysis of prog policy.
    , @BucephalusXYZ
    "Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer..."

    I think this is absolutely true. Some probably are more capable of this than they realize, while others don't get that you actually have to be good at some things, and machines don't respect your feelings.

    But what then? Suppose you know you got screwed by globalist elites, and you haven't the slightest clue of the difference between java and javascript?

    Whatever the government has done wrong, I still think it is crucial to examine how you yourself might do things differently, and I think it is one of the worst "achievements" of the current SJW regime to inculcate a different attitude.
    , @anonguy

    Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer
     
    IMO, "programmer" is such a vague appellation anymore that it is essentially meaningless.

    That is like "transportation worker", could be anyone from an airline pilot to the guy changing my oil.

    There are plenty, plenty of programming tasks that are suitable for average people. A big goal of development tools is to make it so you don't need rare geniuses to get mundane stuff done. For instance, Java's built in null pointer and array out of bounds exceptions made a qualitative leap in lowering the innate skill level necessary in a productive programmer over C/C++ since in those languages eventually a programmer would have to deal with pointer bugs...

    The "programmer" field is so segmented now that there is a niche for anyone of average smarts/initiative to succeed/prosper if they would like. And it is only growing more that way.

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  87. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @eah
    You mean stripping lower class Whites of their economic livelihood, talking about them like they're shit, forcing them to do things against their will and beliefs like bake cakes and pizzas for homosexual 'weddings', talking up 'diversity' 24/7 (except in crime stories) like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then via coercive taxation making them pay for the system doing all of that, leads to feelings of hopelessness and worthlessness? That's a surprise.

    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer/status/800558844753612800

    You’ve made a very good comment. For years now I’ve noticed the constant caricaturing of segments of the white population in movies and television. The hatred just never stops.

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    The hatred just never stops.
     
    It will be stopping soon, or at least going back underground.
    , @Jack D
    What made this even worse was that white cis males were the only group on which there was open season. Any sort of criticism of dysfunctional behavior or "noticing" or "dog whistle" or joke , let alone open hatred, concerning favored minorities (which is to say all of them) was strictly verboten, but regarding white men you could say things like "I can't wait for these people to die" and it was perfectly OK, even cute and funny.
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  88. Jack D says:
    @International Jew
    What do you like?

    I see he's as verbally incoherent as his boss. That is, I'm not sure I know what he's saying, half the time.

    I see he’s as verbally incoherent as his boss.

    Being verbally fluent gets you a job at Starbucks after you spend 10 years working on your English PhD. and as a postdoc but fail to land a tenure track position.

    Bannon and his boss OTOH have both done really well in life, even before one became POTUS and the other his trusted adviser. So maybe verbal coherence isn’t everything.

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    Tony Blair was fluent, and as nasty a little scumbag as has ever graced No. 10. He wasn't very bright either, but oh the words gushed forth.
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  89. iffen says:
    @Alec Leamas
    We tend not to make a critical distinction with regard to leftist coastal elitism. People born to wealth and privilege in Manhattan or Los Angeles generally have little interest in the white working class/badwhites either way - they tend to be self-involved and interested in their own spheres of influence. It's the whites who believe that they've elevated their status in moving to coastal cities from places populated by badwhites who are the most anxious about their new status - it's much more an Oedipal/Patricide thing than it is a coherent politics.

    Converts always make the most zealous inquisitors and enforcers.

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  90. Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs – illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as “happy pills – Zoloft, Prozac, etc.” Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

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    What about hanging out on the internet all day: coffee all morning, diet coke all afternoon, Coors Light all evening?

    Actually my brother lost about 50 lbs. on that diet.
    , @Jack D
    Easier said than done. We are all individuals with free will but we also have to work within the framework of our society.

    At one time we had or at least aspired to a government that was run "by the [American] people, for the people". Now we have a system that is run "by the globoelites, for the globelites."

    If you're in a football game and you realize that the game is loaded against you - the refs are constantly throwing penalty flags at your team and making bad calls on plays, at some point you might decide that you're not going to come out after halftime and accept more abuse - you'll just stay in the locker room and drink beer and forfeit the game that you're bound to lose anyway. Maybe there are some brave souls who would go out there and win the game despite the odds, but many of us would get demoralized in such circumstances.

    This is one reason why Trump won - he at least promised people some hope (so did Obama, BTW). Hillary just told whites to hurry up and die if she told them anything at all.
    , @Lugash
    All excellent ideas. I'd also add cutting back on the booze and add in lifting weights.

    But how do whites stop the damage from affirmative action, mass immigration, offshoring, outsourcing, AFFH, BLM, H1Bs, de-industrialization, school integration and on and on? The only way is to develop a racial consciousness and vote for politicians who advocate white interests.
    , @utu
    Bannon, I think, is one of the few who really understands it. The solution is return to the roots, i.e, christian tradition. Whiteness or ethnic awareness won't protect you. Blacks have the highest ethnic awareness. It is all about the culture. You want to save your ethnicity, your latch to the right cultural tradition. For these reasons Kevin MacDonald, Steve Sailor and Jared Taylor are the incomplete prophets who might take you across the Red Sea but will not be of much use to fight the elements while wondering through the desert.
    , @Opinionator
    Maybe we should consider saying no to alcohol, as well. How does it make us better men, how does it help us improve our lives and those around us?
    , @Jefferson
    "Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs – illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as “happy pills – Zoloft, Prozac, etc.”

    I don't know of any White Christian who is a Skid Row level junkie, like the White version of Dave Chappelle's fictional crackhead character.

    I am using the more strict accurate definition of a White Christian which is someone who attends church on most Sundays. I am not using the extremely broad definition of "White Christian" used by White Nationalists which is any White person who is neither a Muslim nor a Jew. Using that broad definition than super Left Wing Dyke Lesbian Rosie O'Donnell for example would be a "White Christian". Using that extremely broad definition of "White Christian" Left Wing White Gentile Atheists who are offended by terms like God Bless You and Merry Christmas would be "White Christians".

    Outside of White Nationalists, most people would not classify Sweden for example as a Christian nation. Most Non White Nationalists would not say that Oregon and Vermont for example are Christian states just like Louisiana and Oklahoma.
    , @dfordoom

    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs – illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as “happy pills – Zoloft, Prozac, etc.” Men stay away from porn.
     
    Nice ideas but in a society that is awash with drugs, porn and Hollywood depravity it's not likely to happen.

    On the subject of drugs the book by Peter Hitchens, THE WAR WE NEVER FOUGHT, is essential reading. The elites want a society awash with drugs. They engineered it.

    These things can't be changed by appealing to appeal to people to Just Say No. It's the same with porn. A government crackdown is needed (and anyone who thinks the First Amendment was intended to open the floodgates to porn is seriously deluded).
    , @anon

    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up
     
    and have a revolution that chases the banking mafia into the sea - agreed.
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  91. iffen says:
    @Jack D
    If working class whites have embraced victimization it is only out of desperation and because in modern America you get Pokemon points based on where you are on the victim scale - if you don't rate any victim points then no one is interested in helping you.

    All these folks really wanted was a decent day's pay in return for a decent day's work. They had a tolerable setup working at the local widget factory - it was hard work and boring but you did what you had to do to provide for your family. But then some genius decided that we should embrace globalization and add 5 cents a share to his employer's quarterly earnings by moving his factory to China or Mexico. Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer (not that foreigners haven't taken those jobs too) or starting their own business. A government that loved its own people would have done something to keep the widget factory from closing - imposed tariffs on imported widgets or at least not made the factory owner's life miserable with endless regulations and AA mandates, etc. In most cases, these were not "sunset industries". Carrier or Nabisco or whomever were still making and selling the same air conditioners and cookies, etc. , they were just going to make them cheaper in Mexico. They would literally pick up the factory and move it across the border and make the same thing for cheaper and pocket the difference. They would sell their product to Americans for dollars but employ Mexicans and pay them pesos. What sane government would permit this?

    But our government really didn't give a damn about these folks. Even though the government interferes in the market in every way shape and form, when it came to them suddenly they were free marketers and they were on their own.

    Socialism for me, capitalism for thee.

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  92. CK says:
    @Sunbeam
    "I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials."

    Yeah. I remember the Mooney Times put out that thing about the pedos. Guess someone sent a message, it was received, then back down the memory hole.

    Was a front pager too in Washington if I remember correctly. Funny how stuff like that goes away.

    The Jeff Gannon thing (is he now hooked up with the second most closeted case after Lindsay Graham, Karl Rove?) was tailor made to blow up into a media feeding frenzy.

    It had everything. Absolutely everything. Could have been the Casey Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Jon Benet Ramsey cases rolled into one, with a touch of Watergate to pique the serious ones in media.

    But nothing. Total silence.

    These media events don't arise spontaneously. They are endlessly promoted in the media. Some event happens somewhere, one with some hooks and meat to it. And they start a marketing campaign.

    Unless the people who own the media companies say:

    "Nah, not this one. Something else will come along, you can count on that in a country of this size. So even though this one is a hanging meatball over the plate, just waiting to get launched over the fence in a mammoth home run, we're passing.

    What? Our competitors are going to run with the story? HA HA HA HA!"

    Personally I thought the LIBOR story was a bigger deal than the housing bubble. But nothing.

    Good god, bond traders make and lose freaking fortunes based on how interest rates go. So many things like ARM's are tied to the rates. I'd wager a guess that the money that changed hands while this thing was going on (and is it still going on frankly?) is greater than the housing bubble (if someone bothered to do the accounting).

    Yet nothing. Like it never happened.

    Basically Goldman Sachs and some other vested entities could decide WHAT they wanted the LIBOR rate to be, and that affected all the other things inexplicably tied to what rate a group of UK banks set.

    No wonder those bastards are rich. And our genius media, "Speaking Truth to Power," wasn't even vaguely interested?

    James Dale Guckert (Jeff Gannon) appears to have become an unperson.

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  93. @AndrewR
    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn't try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    You can jump that shark when we get to it.

    For the time being your idiocy, such as it is, is useful enough.

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  94. @anonymous
    You've made a very good comment. For years now I've noticed the constant caricaturing of segments of the white population in movies and television. The hatred just never stops.

    The hatred just never stops.

    It will be stopping soon, or at least going back underground.

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  95. Svigor says:

    Kobach is going to be appointed to homeland security and is already planning to implement the entire restrictionist agenda.

    Looks like Trump will not be a sellout.

    Good news, if true. Kobach at Homeland + Sessions at AG = win.

    white debils have agency so once they embrace the fact they have been under attack for decades they’ll look for redress

    Criminals fear justice. This fear is woven through the left. They project it constantly.

    Jack D says:
    November 22, 2016 at 3:56 pm GMT • 200 Words

    The left are sociopaths. How else can they complain about the “traditions” that Trump is flouting?

    Their whole raison d’etre is the destruction of tradition.

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  96. @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    What about hanging out on the internet all day: coffee all morning, diet coke all afternoon, Coors Light all evening?

    Actually my brother lost about 50 lbs. on that diet.

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  97. Svigor says:

    After Trump’s election: ‘There are two Americas now.’

    Big Media’s just too precious. Yes, you liars, America split in two. It only just now happened. America was one big happy family, until Nov 8, 2016, when Trump split her asunder.

    What they mean is, now the left gets to do some crying. Now the left isn’t happy. And that matters.

    Can we put these people in a rocket, and shoot them to the Moon?

    Big Media = Sociopaths.

    “We just elected a guy who questioned the nationality of our current president, who talks about how much he likes to grab women by their genitals, who is bringing a white nationalist into the White House,” Coulter said. “That’s just not something I can work with.”

    Libs = reality-challenged. Questioning is good…unless someone questions Hussein the Messiah (PBUH). Trump spoke theoretically (paraphrasing): “when you’re a celebrity, you can do this stuff, and women love it” (too close to the truth for comfort, honey?). Bannon is a WN because libs can read what’s really in people’s hearts.

    This piece is an ode to leftist intolerance and bigotry.

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  98. Jack D says:
    @anonymous
    You've made a very good comment. For years now I've noticed the constant caricaturing of segments of the white population in movies and television. The hatred just never stops.

    What made this even worse was that white cis males were the only group on which there was open season. Any sort of criticism of dysfunctional behavior or “noticing” or “dog whistle” or joke , let alone open hatred, concerning favored minorities (which is to say all of them) was strictly verboten, but regarding white men you could say things like “I can’t wait for these people to die” and it was perfectly OK, even cute and funny.

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  99. @Lot
    Well really "whites in poor health" being the group the swung Trump the hardest is just a proxy for greater Appalachia and extreme-Rust Belt towns.

    The Economist compares Knox and Jefferson Counties in Ohio.

    Jefferson County borders WV and is a depressed steel and coal area that has started to recover because of fracking. Its population has declined continuously since 1960, from 99 to 67 thousand. Some of the steel mills are still operating too, so it isn't a lost cause.

    Like West Virginia, it shifted from Democrat to Republican extremely hard and fast. Mike Dukakis beat Bush I in the county by 22 points, Romney beat Obama by 5 points, Trump beat Hillary by 36 points.

    Knox County, childhood home of Luke Perry and Paul Lynde, is a prosperous corn farming area that has always been strongly Republican and whose population doubled during that same period, and now includes the outer exurbs of Columbus.

    Well really “whites in poor health” being the group the swung Trump the hardest is just a proxy for greater Appalachia and extreme-Rust Belt towns.

    But Steve’s point seems to be that it wasn’t necessarily the “whites in poor health” who swung hard, but the “civic-minded individuals…” in such “overlooked communities.” That’s something that the data could show, ie that the better-off swung harder than the poor…

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  100. eD says:
    @CK
    It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind.

    “It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind.”

    Exactly.

    I’ve been trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton got over 47% of the popular vote in this election. The problem is that her policies have been so perfectly aligned with the 1% that she really should have just gotten the votes of the tribal Donk loyalists plus people living in the wealthier NY, DC, and SF suburbs. This leaves aside the scandals or her record in government.

    The only thing I can figure out is the wall-to-wall pro-Clinton mainstream media coverage, plus her spending advantage from the corporate money coming into her campaign. And really there was a similar dynamic in favor of her husband in the 1990s, and things like the 1996 Telecom Act were a big part of that.

    Trump’s smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.

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    Trump’s smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.
     
    I thought he just did it with the latest video. Seemed like a very pointed move on his part: ask the media over, rake them over the coals, then post your Transition progress report straight to YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

    No presser, no broadcast TV, no pundits immediately parsing it after the fact. The message was clear to me...and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even lost on the people at CNN!
    , @Jefferson
    "I’ve been trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton got over 47% of the popular vote in this election. The problem is that her policies have been so perfectly aligned with the 1% that she really should have just gotten the votes of the tribal Donk loyalists plus people living in the wealthier NY, DC, and SF suburbs. This leaves aside the scandals or her record in government."

    Crooked Hildabeast won over 47 percent of the popular vote because government workers who do non dangerous jobs and Nonwhites vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party. Government workers who do non dangerous jobs and Nonwhites are not geographically limited to California, Washington DC, and New York, they can also be found all over Flyover Country.

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  101. Grumpy says:
    @Alec Leamas
    We tend not to make a critical distinction with regard to leftist coastal elitism. People born to wealth and privilege in Manhattan or Los Angeles generally have little interest in the white working class/badwhites either way - they tend to be self-involved and interested in their own spheres of influence. It's the whites who believe that they've elevated their status in moving to coastal cities from places populated by badwhites who are the most anxious about their new status - it's much more an Oedipal/Patricide thing than it is a coherent politics.

    Good point.

    It’s those for whom the “signaling” is most important who seem to take prevailing ideas most literally and seriously: striving journalists, teachers, professors, actors, writers, musicians, young professionals, etc.

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  102. Tman says:

    This graph doesn’t have anything to do with the recent uptick in mortality, which is too small to register. Instead it’s mostly a proxy for how old and obese people are.

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    Lie

    24% increase in suicide rate concentrated in rustbelt areas
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  103. Jack D says:
    @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    Easier said than done. We are all individuals with free will but we also have to work within the framework of our society.

    At one time we had or at least aspired to a government that was run “by the [American] people, for the people”. Now we have a system that is run “by the globoelites, for the globelites.”

    If you’re in a football game and you realize that the game is loaded against you – the refs are constantly throwing penalty flags at your team and making bad calls on plays, at some point you might decide that you’re not going to come out after halftime and accept more abuse – you’ll just stay in the locker room and drink beer and forfeit the game that you’re bound to lose anyway. Maybe there are some brave souls who would go out there and win the game despite the odds, but many of us would get demoralized in such circumstances.

    This is one reason why Trump won – he at least promised people some hope (so did Obama, BTW). Hillary just told whites to hurry up and die if she told them anything at all.

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    Interesting analogy. Perhaps doesn't fully capture the psychology, but is kind of a lurch in the right direction.
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  104. @Jack D
    No he doesn't. The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws. Trump is no fool - like releasing his income taxes and allowing the press pool to follow him everywhere, a lot of customs have grown up around the President but customs are not law and Trump has plenty of lawyers to advise him on which is what and to keep him on the good side of the law. You can imagine that if Trump had ever crossed the line on the criminal law that Hillary would have advertised this a million times but he has always been careful not to. One of the reasons why Trump was able to get casino licenses in NJ was that his record was totally clean.

    As for customs, all that his opponents can do is feign apoplexy and they have kvetched so many times now that the attacks have lost their sting. Some of the customs were frankly stupid to begin with - why shouldn't the President be able to go out to dinner without a bus full of reporters following him? I don't think that any foreign leader gets this treatment. The President of France was able to sneak out of the palace on a moped to see his mistress.

    The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws.

    I guess I hadn’t realized this might be so. Is this true only of the Executive Branch? Is it true of governors?

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    Well, here's the Times weighing in on the issue, with fairly typical bias:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/politics/donald-trump-conflict-of-interest.html
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  105. AndrewR says:
    @Desiderius

    I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.
     
    You can jump that shark when we get to it.

    For the time being your idiocy, such as it is, is useful enough.

    Thats rude

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    Thats rude
     
    You play with that particular fire, you will still get burned.

    There is an anti-anti-white consensus. It does not follow that there is a white nationalist consensus.

    The energy is on the local level. National is closer to local than global is, but don't get cocky.
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  106. BenKenobi says:
    @bomag

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election
     
    That would be the teeth-grindingly smug Bill Maher. Just note the little tactics he uses: he'll eagerly mention marginal supporters who exhibit "deplorable" behavior, then he'll discuss "typical" Trump supporters and imply that they are cut from the same cloth. He gripes that modern media has made it easier for Trump to spread his message, a message with untruths, while drafting off his celebrity. This is one hacker griping that there are other hackers out there.

    And Maher worries about violence after a Trump loss. What psychological projection! And his prediction that the markets will tank if Trump wins; ha ha ha!

    He say Trump would be "government by snit". That pretty much encapsulates much of modern governing.

    And his saccharin gushing over Hillary was disgusting.

    Relevant from the Onion:

    Bill Maher Spends All Night Arguing With Republican Hooker

    http://www.theonion.com/article/bill-maher-spends-all-night-arguing-with-republica-1721

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  107. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Terms like ‘white supremacist’ and ‘white nationalist’ miss the point.

    It’s really about White Differencist.

    All races are different and superior and inferior in different ways.

    When it comes to skin cancer under the sun, blacks are superior and whites inferior.

    When it comes to digesting milk, whites are superior to blacks and Asians.

    When it comes to running and fighting, blacks are superior to whites.

    When it comes to scientific reasoning, whites are superior to blacks.

    So, it’s all about Racial Differencism.

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  108. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Progs bitch about White Privilege, but the real problem all over the world is Globalist Privilege.

    It’s a new way of exclusion and privilege that favors the elites of all groups at expense of masses of all groups.

    Globalist Privilege is neo-aristocratism of the rich, smart, and/or well-connected.

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  109. @reiner Tor
    In any event, the cuckservatives around Paul Ryan have high hopes the Trump administration could still be derailed for policies that are useful to billionaires (coincidentally, mostly leftists) and maybe the upper middle class, but not for Trump's base.

    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/800556138181853184

    Tax reform is actually essential. Eliminating the income tax, corporate and personal, and replacing them with a value neutral VAT would be a significant step towards improving the USA’s competitive advantage in the international marketplace and this translates into domestic jobs. It would also eliminate trhe IRS and most tax lawyers, both incredible drains on the economy. Finally, it would allow workers to enjoy the fruits of their labors without having a giant bite taken out by the feds.

    Of course, I’m dreaming. The special interests that would oppose this – particularly the legal profession – are just too strong in DC. But even modest reforms to the tax system in this country can have a positive affect.

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  110. utu says:
    @Sunbeam
    "I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials."

    Yeah. I remember the Mooney Times put out that thing about the pedos. Guess someone sent a message, it was received, then back down the memory hole.

    Was a front pager too in Washington if I remember correctly. Funny how stuff like that goes away.

    The Jeff Gannon thing (is he now hooked up with the second most closeted case after Lindsay Graham, Karl Rove?) was tailor made to blow up into a media feeding frenzy.

    It had everything. Absolutely everything. Could have been the Casey Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Jon Benet Ramsey cases rolled into one, with a touch of Watergate to pique the serious ones in media.

    But nothing. Total silence.

    These media events don't arise spontaneously. They are endlessly promoted in the media. Some event happens somewhere, one with some hooks and meat to it. And they start a marketing campaign.

    Unless the people who own the media companies say:

    "Nah, not this one. Something else will come along, you can count on that in a country of this size. So even though this one is a hanging meatball over the plate, just waiting to get launched over the fence in a mammoth home run, we're passing.

    What? Our competitors are going to run with the story? HA HA HA HA!"

    Personally I thought the LIBOR story was a bigger deal than the housing bubble. But nothing.

    Good god, bond traders make and lose freaking fortunes based on how interest rates go. So many things like ARM's are tied to the rates. I'd wager a guess that the money that changed hands while this thing was going on (and is it still going on frankly?) is greater than the housing bubble (if someone bothered to do the accounting).

    Yet nothing. Like it never happened.

    Basically Goldman Sachs and some other vested entities could decide WHAT they wanted the LIBOR rate to be, and that affected all the other things inexplicably tied to what rate a group of UK banks set.

    No wonder those bastards are rich. And our genius media, "Speaking Truth to Power," wasn't even vaguely interested?

    “These media events don’t arise spontaneously. ” – There seem to be master script.

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    Master scripts, from whom?
    How much of the Scriptiness (akin to Colbert's Truthiness) arises from overt actions to manipulate opinion, and how much is based on cheap, lazy crowdsourcing of content? Should we ascribe to malice that which may be just incompetence, or why not both?

    There may be some impetus to initiate stories and then let the machine go on its autopilot, echo chamber way. If there is some standard approach to the story initiation, then perhaps there are meetings, communications, hackable emails or other information available. The story must be spread somehow beyond the germ of an idea.
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  111. Camlost says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "The trouble with Williamson’s tirade is that it misses the question of where these people are supposed to go. Can’t go to California or Nevada or Arizona."

    Right.

    It's hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren't going anywhere in life.

    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren’t going anywhere in life.

    Another thing that a whole lot of people don’t understand (especially liberals and even many here in this forum) is that the majority of rural, working-class whites don’t want to move to other areas in the country.

    They love the areas where the families have lived for generations and have a connection to the land and the community that urbanites and immigrants simply don’t understand.

    This is especially true in the South. Even many college-educated people in the South never leave their ancestral homes, when they go off to the big 4-year school they commute each and every weekend, often returning home to their high school sweetheart who attends another school. They don’t feel the need to go off and do all of the cliche young people things like chase adventure or find themselves or their fortune.

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    I've thought about that quite a bit, actually, but the fact is that industries rise and fall, and if the only thing your town has going for it is proximity to a vein of coal, well...

    One of the advantages of having a huge country is some part of it's always doing well.
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  112. OT, but here’s a good summary of the take of T A Frank, a liberal journalist at Vanity Fair, on the rise of Trump, and its connection to the immigration issue.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/vanity-fair-writer-had-finger-pulse-immigration-voters-pollsters-missed

    It demonstrates among other things how it is possible to support one partisan side while seeing the merits in the arguments of the other side. This is truly a lost art among the vast horde of contemporary journalists; indeed, worse yet, it is an art they now actively despise.

    One of the most discouraging things about this election, both before and now after, is how completely journalists have turned themselves over to unchecked partisan hackery. If a journalist has no basic interest in the truth, there will be no useful facts or worthwhile insights to be gleaned in their works. I now find myself virtually never reading The NY Times or the New Yorker when the subject is remotely connected to politics. Their product really does make you dumber than before.

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    I suppose you could say that journalism tried to rise above it's plain and partisan yellow press origins during the last half of the 20th century, by building up goodwill and a reputation for neutrality and scrupulousness(*); and now are busily spending it down while they subside into the mire once more.

    (*) Whether entirely deserved or not.
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  113. Lugash says:
    @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    All excellent ideas. I’d also add cutting back on the booze and add in lifting weights.

    But how do whites stop the damage from affirmative action, mass immigration, offshoring, outsourcing, AFFH, BLM, H1Bs, de-industrialization, school integration and on and on? The only way is to develop a racial consciousness and vote for politicians who advocate white interests.

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  114. Svigor says:

    Linker gets a lot right here:

    http://theweek.com/articles/663225/demagogic-genius-donald-j-trump

    What he misses: America is going from not liking Big Media, the political and cultural establishment, and the oligarch class very much, to hating them.

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    "In that sense, Trump conjured into existence the very populist movement that has now catapulted him to the presidency."

    I don't know what he gets right. The above is an example of not-getting-it dumbassery in its purest form. Perhaps he's never heard of Pat Buchanan, who has been writing about the building populist-nationalist wave for a couple decades now? He seems to think that if not for social media Trump would never have happened. "It's the issues, stupid."

    This piece is another of the innumerable efforts to call Trump and his supporters dumb while pretending the author is committing journalism.
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  115. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=steve%20sailer,richard%20spencer

    This is a travesty. I don't know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump, other than he and his friends like to root for trump on twitter. He likes to say he is the brains behind trump: absolutely not. It's clear "Adios America" provided the intellectual impetus behind the Trump campaign, making immigration Trump's signature issue for proving how corrupt/incompetent elites are. I don't see any profiles of Ann, especially since her ideas are (somewhat) in the overton window. I've seen like 10 profiles of Spencer so far, and he's getting all these interviews. And it's clear who Coulter is inspired by. I don't see a lot of reflection or intellectual examination of the Trump phenonmenon in the MSM: it's just "look there's a racist"! ...

    don’t know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump

    Because the MSM and Hillary wanted to create a narrative that TRUMP=KKK/NAZI, and Richard Spencer was always to rush out to hang out with reporters and say anything they wanted to help that narrative. David Duke did the same thing, but Duke did not so conveniently live in the DC area and was not as savvy with new media.

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    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

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  116. @Cwhatfuture
    What does it take to bring down white life expectancy in the United States? Life expectancy rises everywhere and yet here it declines? Here, with the best medical science in the world, here it is declining? Don't look to opiate use or diabetes as the reason. Napoleon said that in war, "the moral is to the physical as three to one". This is demoralization. I suspect, I hope, that within four years we will see a rise.

    I am currently working part-time, consulting in the Public Health Department of a large eastern state. I am involved with analyses to develop policy initiatives for one of the state’s most lethal “new” public health problems: deaths from opioid overdoses. Actually this problem has been fermenting for decades. It started with accelerating rates of opioid addiction in economically devastated cities and towns that were once thriving. It has spread throughout the entire state. But it is almost entirely concentrated in the White population. This is obvious from the statistics. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it is also concentrated among those Whites whose economic future is bleak at best, no matter what their past income, their past career, their skill level or educational attainment, or their social class.

    It is impossible to address the problem without acknowledging these facts. Yet when I bring them up in the few administrative level situations where I am allowed a voice, my mention of the obvious is treated as if I emitted a loud and very smelly fart. There is an embarrassed silence, a few smirks and many more sneers, and then the discussion returns to useless band-aids that utterly fail to address the causes of the epidemic; public health measures equivalent to the medieval burning of incense to counter the Black Plague.

    Needless to say the Department was overwhelmingly for Clinton and bunches of women were seen embracing and crying in the rest rooms the day after the election. Believe it or not, the Commissioner even spent the days following the election moving from floor to floor and personally soothing the distraught employees.

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    We have been actively destroying the middle class life we once amazingly offered to the working class, through open immigration and "free" trade, while charlatans and frauds soothingly numbed us by whispering that this change was "inevitable" and those policies produced a "net" benefit, as if the creation of a multi-billionaire donor class and importation of cheap junk made in China made up for it all.

    And how could I forget that even most government jobs are now reserved for a class of useless bureaucrat social justice warriors and time servers, who are crying over a losing corrupt political hack instead of at least the people they are condemning.

    And even for those men still at work there is always the fear that this billionaire class (with full corrupt cooperation of that bureaucracy) will replace you with a foreign visa holder. So working hours are added and worked out of fear. And the SJWs will gladly tell those men the foreigners deserve those jobs - why they have a better education - after all they didn't go to our dysfunctional public schools.

    And so we have a class whose life won't be as good father's. And the one chance they had to protest - their vote - that was cancelled out when they gave the vote to someone whose parents came from Pakistan illegally 18 years ago.

    Is it any wonder drug use is up? My god, I'm shocked it isn't up even higher. It isnt suicide, it's murder. I literally pray Trump can turn this around.

    , @jill
    The epidemic will be fueled by Obama's pardons of federally convicted drug dealers and his early release of 46,000 federally convicted drug dealers. Tell that to the people you work with.

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/10/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-federal-prisoner-release#.MRNpavVjR

    Every death from an overdose of drugs should be marked as a homicide by the ME and the supplier prosecuted and sentenced to life without parole.
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  117. @Jack D
    If working class whites have embraced victimization it is only out of desperation and because in modern America you get Pokemon points based on where you are on the victim scale - if you don't rate any victim points then no one is interested in helping you.

    All these folks really wanted was a decent day's pay in return for a decent day's work. They had a tolerable setup working at the local widget factory - it was hard work and boring but you did what you had to do to provide for your family. But then some genius decided that we should embrace globalization and add 5 cents a share to his employer's quarterly earnings by moving his factory to China or Mexico. Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer (not that foreigners haven't taken those jobs too) or starting their own business. A government that loved its own people would have done something to keep the widget factory from closing - imposed tariffs on imported widgets or at least not made the factory owner's life miserable with endless regulations and AA mandates, etc. In most cases, these were not "sunset industries". Carrier or Nabisco or whomever were still making and selling the same air conditioners and cookies, etc. , they were just going to make them cheaper in Mexico. They would literally pick up the factory and move it across the border and make the same thing for cheaper and pocket the difference. They would sell their product to Americans for dollars but employ Mexicans and pay them pesos. What sane government would permit this?

    But our government really didn't give a damn about these folks. Even though the government interferes in the market in every way shape and form, when it came to them suddenly they were free marketers and they were on their own.

    A brilliantly concise analysis of prog policy.

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  118. Lugash says:
    @tanabear
    "Trump voters tended to be civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities."

    If only they were less civic-minded and more self-centered then they would have voted for Hillary. Being civic-minded today is now called racism.

    Bill Maher made this point with Fareed Zakaria before the election. It turns out the deplorables beat the delusionals.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDLgxrQDTVo

    Nothing but non stop hypocrisy and missed calls in that video. My favorite is when he chides kids for wanting to be celebrities rather than work for MSF. Of course, neither he nor Fareed chose that boring but helpful career path. And when Fareed asks him about serving as a politician, well that would involve Bill having to wake up in the morning and do some work.

    My favorite:

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    Someone obviously doesn't understand the moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf fable.
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  119. utu says:
    @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    Bannon, I think, is one of the few who really understands it. The solution is return to the roots, i.e, christian tradition. Whiteness or ethnic awareness won’t protect you. Blacks have the highest ethnic awareness. It is all about the culture. You want to save your ethnicity, your latch to the right cultural tradition. For these reasons Kevin MacDonald, Steve Sailor and Jared Taylor are the incomplete prophets who might take you across the Red Sea but will not be of much use to fight the elements while wondering through the desert.

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    True, but you are forgetting that the churches are (all of them except the Orthodox) now firmly in the hands of the Left, often in its stupidest and most intolerant form (i.e. Francis). For Christians nowadays, the battle begins within the churches, not with them.
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  120. Romanian says:
    @AndrewR
    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn't try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    Caliph?

    On-topic:

    You guys may call it the White Death, but your enemies call it the Deplorable Decrease, the White Privilege Attrition Enhancer or… a good start.

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  121. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Liberals presidents, like Bill and Obama get showered with praise before they assumed the presidency but start to earn scorn and protests shortly after assuming the presidency.

    Trump gets protest before he began his presidency.

    Its pretty telling about who operates around fantasy. Protesting after assuming the presidency is earned. Protesting before a president has done anything is assumption.

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  122. @Jack D
    Easier said than done. We are all individuals with free will but we also have to work within the framework of our society.

    At one time we had or at least aspired to a government that was run "by the [American] people, for the people". Now we have a system that is run "by the globoelites, for the globelites."

    If you're in a football game and you realize that the game is loaded against you - the refs are constantly throwing penalty flags at your team and making bad calls on plays, at some point you might decide that you're not going to come out after halftime and accept more abuse - you'll just stay in the locker room and drink beer and forfeit the game that you're bound to lose anyway. Maybe there are some brave souls who would go out there and win the game despite the odds, but many of us would get demoralized in such circumstances.

    This is one reason why Trump won - he at least promised people some hope (so did Obama, BTW). Hillary just told whites to hurry up and die if she told them anything at all.

    Interesting analogy. Perhaps doesn’t fully capture the psychology, but is kind of a lurch in the right direction.

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  123. @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    Maybe we should consider saying no to alcohol, as well. How does it make us better men, how does it help us improve our lives and those around us?

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    Alcohol is a social lubricant and helps instill a sense of community at festivals, holidays, etc.
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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Holding all other factors constant—including the share of non-college whites—the better physical shape a county’s residents are in, the worse Mr Trump did relative to Mr Romney.”

    They must have been only looking at whites and leaving out blacks and Hispanics when examining a county’s residents. No way are the residents of the counties containing Detroit, Baltimore, Camden, etc. in better shape than the residents of counties in places like Wyoming, Utah, etc.

    It would be interesting to look at how highly a place voted for Clinton in comparison to how down a hell hole is in crime and poverty it is. Why aren’t the press looking at that? My guess is Camden, Baltimore, Detroit, etc. all were in the bag for Clinton.

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  125. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    No he doesn't. The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws. Trump is no fool - like releasing his income taxes and allowing the press pool to follow him everywhere, a lot of customs have grown up around the President but customs are not law and Trump has plenty of lawyers to advise him on which is what and to keep him on the good side of the law. You can imagine that if Trump had ever crossed the line on the criminal law that Hillary would have advertised this a million times but he has always been careful not to. One of the reasons why Trump was able to get casino licenses in NJ was that his record was totally clean.

    As for customs, all that his opponents can do is feign apoplexy and they have kvetched so many times now that the attacks have lost their sting. Some of the customs were frankly stupid to begin with - why shouldn't the President be able to go out to dinner without a bus full of reporters following him? I don't think that any foreign leader gets this treatment. The President of France was able to sneak out of the palace on a moped to see his mistress.

    So we can look forward to reading stuff like this (twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/801022537928994816) all the time?

    Taunting the media while his kids run business deals in parallel to presidential foreign affairs is pure hubris — no wonder Kellyanne says he’s telling the Justice Department to call off the dogs on Hillary.

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  126. hhsiii says:
    @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    Well, if you live in Garbutt you are an hour west of Buffalo. Tesla-Solar is supposedly building (mostly funded by NY State) a facility there to build solar roofing, supposed to employ 1600. You are 20 minutes or so from Rochester. Kodak and xerox aren’t such huge employers any more but some. Paychex is in Rochester. Hickey-Freeman. You have University of Rochester, Rochester Institute of Technology. They and Cornell incubate what they call Tech Alley. SUNY-Geneseo. Prison guard jobs.

    Blue Collar jobs it isn’t easy. There’s farming up there. No fracking. Finger Lakes has some tourism, wineries. It’s petty hardscrabble if you are blue collar, but there are some spots, like those Tesla jobs supposedly and startups. M&T bank. Good thing is it’s pretty cheap to live up there.

    Trump won upstate of course, as Steve noted. Rochester itself has become a fairly dangerous town at night in spots. There’s some contruction going on downtown by the Geneseo river. Across from the Genesee Brewery.

    I was just up there. We went to Letchworth State Park. very pretty. Oh yeah, there’s an old railroad bridge in that park, over 100 years old, being replaced by one about 100 yards down river. I think that’s Norfolk Southern. We saw a mile long freight train creaking slowly over that thing. Must be terrifying up on that bridge. There’s a job. :) Anyway, Rochester was nice to visit. Lake Ontario was quite a sight. Lot of nice homes, probably some construction work renovating those. And Corning is still going strong.

    So there you go. Garbutt. The crossroads of upstate New York.

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    I hope you went to the brewery. Best view of the city from there, looking at the falls. Overall the city needs more good paying jobs other than service/education.
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  127. Jefferson says:
    @David In TN
    "...I thought Trump was too crude, and maybe a charlatan. But I get why people did, and voted for him somewhat gladly on election day. Perhaps the biggest correlation with support for Trump is the white people who haven't been deluded into thinking that white equals privilege, because they see the lack of white privilege all around them."

    Well said. And you get tired of white liberal types railing "I hate white guys" from their all-white affluent neighborhoods.

    “Well said. And you get tired of white liberal types railing “I hate white guys” from their all-white affluent neighborhoods.”

    How about White Liberal women who say they hate White guys, but they only date White guys, lol. Talk about sleeping with the enemy. No wonder feminism never trumps racial tribalism’s need to breed within one’s race.

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  128. hhsiii says:
    @SPMoore8
    That was a case where Pegler accused Reynolds of some sexual impropriety, among other things. I think it's in one of Louis Nizer's books.

    Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Pegler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westbrook_Pegler

    Yep, Louis Nizer of Phillips Nizer. That firm is still around. My family stayed at a house in Pawley’s Island a few years ago called The Lemon House. My mom had been going to Pawley’s since she was a child in the 30s. As a coincidence, her father had been a friend of Calhoun Lemon, the original owner of the house. A lawyer (my sister had done the renting with no knowledge of this family history.

    Anyway, this house made it through Hurricane Hugo, etc. In the house, framed, was a pen sketch of Calhoun Lemon, Esq. on a napkin from the Algonquin Hotel, NYC. Signed by Louis Nizer.

    And now you know the REST of the story. Page 2 after this word from Coleman…

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    I devoured Nizer's books when I was a teenager, and would happily read them again if I could find them over here in the Old World. Not of course that I shared for a moment his Leftist politics.
    I am therefore fascinated to learn that Nizer frequented the old Algonquin - my grandfather, as a close friend and collaborator with more than one of its most famous members, was an habitué of the famous Algonquin Round Table; it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the young Nizer honed his repartee there with the likes of Robert Benchley and Noël Coward.
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  129. Steve, the Forbes interview with Jared Kushner is interesting on the behind-the-scenes Big Data operation that propelled Trump:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2016/11/22/exclusive-interview-how-jared-kushner-won-trump-the-white-house/#217181672f50

    I’m glad to see my earlier fears were wrong:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/anti-islamophobia-kills-again/#comment-1451112

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  130. Jefferson says:
    @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    “Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs – illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as “happy pills – Zoloft, Prozac, etc.”

    I don’t know of any White Christian who is a Skid Row level junkie, like the White version of Dave Chappelle’s fictional crackhead character.

    I am using the more strict accurate definition of a White Christian which is someone who attends church on most Sundays. I am not using the extremely broad definition of “White Christian” used by White Nationalists which is any White person who is neither a Muslim nor a Jew. Using that broad definition than super Left Wing Dyke Lesbian Rosie O’Donnell for example would be a “White Christian”. Using that extremely broad definition of “White Christian” Left Wing White Gentile Atheists who are offended by terms like God Bless You and Merry Christmas would be “White Christians”.

    Outside of White Nationalists, most people would not classify Sweden for example as a Christian nation. Most Non White Nationalists would not say that Oregon and Vermont for example are Christian states just like Louisiana and Oklahoma.

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    Ah, Jefferson, the Semitophile who once criticized me for criticizing the Afro-Asian Jewish tribe. You said they were the elite, the 1% - but you refused to accept Carol Thatcher (Margaret Thatcher's daughter) as white, because her DNA was 25% North African (Caucasian).
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  131. @candid_observer

    The President and VP are exempt from conflict of interest laws.
     
    I guess I hadn't realized this might be so. Is this true only of the Executive Branch? Is it true of governors?

    Well, here’s the Times weighing in on the issue, with fairly typical bias:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/politics/donald-trump-conflict-of-interest.html

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    The Constitution and founders get some strange new respect from the NYT (at least that's a good outcome). The article concludes:


    “The framers were prescient men who created a government that could withstand the worst of human foibles — corruption, vindictiveness, the thirst for tyranny — and wrote a Constitution to combat those foibles in many of their forms, not all of which will always be present, but which emerge in different guises in different eras,” he said.
     
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  132. slumber_j says:
    @eD
    "It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind."

    Exactly.

    I've been trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton got over 47% of the popular vote in this election. The problem is that her policies have been so perfectly aligned with the 1% that she really should have just gotten the votes of the tribal Donk loyalists plus people living in the wealthier NY, DC, and SF suburbs. This leaves aside the scandals or her record in government.

    The only thing I can figure out is the wall-to-wall pro-Clinton mainstream media coverage, plus her spending advantage from the corporate money coming into her campaign. And really there was a similar dynamic in favor of her husband in the 1990s, and things like the 1996 Telecom Act were a big part of that.

    Trump's smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.

    Trump’s smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.

    I thought he just did it with the latest video. Seemed like a very pointed move on his part: ask the media over, rake them over the coals, then post your Transition progress report straight to YouTube.

    No presser, no broadcast TV, no pundits immediately parsing it after the fact. The message was clear to me…and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t even lost on the people at CNN!

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    Plus no selective editing by the MSM! Grand Master Troll!

    Now in my third week of gloating as the Donald continues to show these people for the fools that they are.

    , @Jack D
    Right, what use are these folks to Trump (or for that matter to Hillary, who never held press conferences)? He has just disintermediated them - no more press wholesalers, Trump sells direct via online marketing - YouTube, Twitter, etc. If the press wants to find out what the President said, they can watch YouTube like the rest of us.

    It's their own fault. If I hired you to deliver a letter for me and you wrote all over the envelope: this letter is a bunch of lies, the man who wrote it is evil and you cut out parts of my letter in order to cast me in the worst possible light, etc. would you blame me if next time I tried to find another way to deliver it?

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  133. res says:
    @candid_observer
    Well, here's the Times weighing in on the issue, with fairly typical bias:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/politics/donald-trump-conflict-of-interest.html

    The Constitution and founders get some strange new respect from the NYT (at least that’s a good outcome). The article concludes:

    “The framers were prescient men who created a government that could withstand the worst of human foibles — corruption, vindictiveness, the thirst for tyranny — and wrote a Constitution to combat those foibles in many of their forms, not all of which will always be present, but which emerge in different guises in different eras,” he said.

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  134. Martine says:
    @TheBoom
    It was at that point I started boycotting the NR.

    Ditto.

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  135. Jefferson says:
    @eD
    "It was also Clinton who created the concentrated MSM that we have today. The telecommunications act of 1996 is one of the first acts that Trump should ask congress to rescind."

    Exactly.

    I've been trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton got over 47% of the popular vote in this election. The problem is that her policies have been so perfectly aligned with the 1% that she really should have just gotten the votes of the tribal Donk loyalists plus people living in the wealthier NY, DC, and SF suburbs. This leaves aside the scandals or her record in government.

    The only thing I can figure out is the wall-to-wall pro-Clinton mainstream media coverage, plus her spending advantage from the corporate money coming into her campaign. And really there was a similar dynamic in favor of her husband in the 1990s, and things like the 1996 Telecom Act were a big part of that.

    Trump's smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.

    “I’ve been trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton got over 47% of the popular vote in this election. The problem is that her policies have been so perfectly aligned with the 1% that she really should have just gotten the votes of the tribal Donk loyalists plus people living in the wealthier NY, DC, and SF suburbs. This leaves aside the scandals or her record in government.”

    Crooked Hildabeast won over 47 percent of the popular vote because government workers who do non dangerous jobs and Nonwhites vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party. Government workers who do non dangerous jobs and Nonwhites are not geographically limited to California, Washington DC, and New York, they can also be found all over Flyover Country.

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  136. Jefferson says:

    Saturday Night Live actor Pete Davidson compared Staten Island to herpes for being the only New York City borough that voted for Donald J. Trump. He also said Fuck You Bitch to the future president on Twitter.

    Can you imagine the outrage there would be if Scott Baio for example had said Fuck You Bitch to Barack Hussein Obama on Twitter, his account would be shut down in a heartbeat by the powers that be in Silicon Valley because it would be seen as racist hate speech to disrespect a Democrat president and a Black one to boost.

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  137. @Lot

    don’t know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump
     
    Because the MSM and Hillary wanted to create a narrative that TRUMP=KKK/NAZI, and Richard Spencer was always to rush out to hang out with reporters and say anything they wanted to help that narrative. David Duke did the same thing, but Duke did not so conveniently live in the DC area and was not as savvy with new media.

    1) You don’t know what’s good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a “real Nazi” looks like, or whatever. I would’ve thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn’t vote for him in high numbers. He’s yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he’s not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he’s won, we shouldn’t be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It’s not going to hurt Trump’s election chances over 200 weeks from now.

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    we shouldn’t be attacking people to the right of him

    Who is this "we", kemo sabe?

    alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn't even work that well with educated white women.

    , @utu
    "Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks"

    Bannon does not talk about reaching out to Blacks. He just expects that if his economic policies work Blacks will support it. Reaching out to Blacks means pandering to their racial issue. Bannon does not pander to Blacks.

    "Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he’s not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy."

    What is Sailer Strategy?
    , @Sunbeam
    "2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. "

    Are you American? I mean with a handle like reiner Tor.

    Because you really don't seem to be very knowledgeable about things that are common knowledge in the US. The pertinent one in this case that American blacks are not in favor of immigration, have been hurt by it at least as much as Rust Belt whites and West Coast programmers, that the Democratic Party, regardless of stated commitment to the welfare state, effectively follows policies that hurt blacks as surely as it does white plumbers in Mississippi.

    Did you know that blacks in general are as skeptical of US foreign policy as anyone on this site?

    It's not unreasonable at all to speculate that a nationalistic, populist sort of Republican party could get 40% of the black vote. A Republican party that isn't hell bent on open borders, mass immigration, destroying Social Security... well at at point a lot of them will perceive their personal interests are best served by voting Republican.

    The party of Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor isn't getting that vote. What Bannon and Donald Trump could turn it into just might.
    , @anonymous

    1) You don’t know what’s good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a “real Nazi” looks like, or whatever. I would’ve thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.
     
    I'll grant that it's a *possibility* but I think there is a miniscule chance that this actually makes Nazism cool instead of hurting Trump and people associated with Spencer. Do you really think otherwise?

    "Shifting the Overton Window" is the "Structural Racism" of the alrtight. Everything can be explained by it.
    , @Jack D
    While I agree that Trump shouldn't play the press's "will you denounce him?" game (they want him to denounce everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders), no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics - they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense. Bannon has it right - what we need are American nationalists, not white nationalists.

    As for your other points, please give the man a chance. He hasn't even taken office yet and everything he has said and done so far and every appointment he has made are a million times better than what Hillary and Obama had to offer.

    Blacks are not permanently wedded to the Democrat Party. They've been strongly bonded since Johnson won them over with the Civil Rights Act and food stamps, etc. but the same forces that have pried blue collar whites away from the Democrats could do the same for blacks. Kanye West has been praising Trump. Some significant % of blacks could begin to see that the globalists have been tossing them the snouts and trotters and eating high off the hog themselves.
    , @keypusher
    Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters.

    As I recall, he said that Trump succeeded they'd get 60% of the white vote and 40% of the black vote and rule for 50 years. 40% of blacks doesn't sound terribly plausible to me either. But if I was trying to get my share of the white vote up to, say 65%, I'd probably say something like that, because I'd have to pull in a lot of goodwhites who would rather die than vote for a white party.

    Bannon and Trump are playing the game of electoral politics, and that requires a lot of minority outreach in this country, both to get whatever minority votes you can and to reassure the more liberal whites in your coalition.

    You can't count on winning the election with 47% of the vote/low turnout every time. You only get to run against HRC once.
    , @anon
    imo

    alt-right people should focus on pushing the window to the right so people like Bannon can move the center ground but this means by definition we will almost always be beyond the pale.

    Spencer has helped a lot with that window pushing but i think he's frustrated with it and wants to be doing practical politics but it's too soon.

    Regardless, the Trumpenfirer should never kow tow to the media for any reason - not kow towing to the hated media is his biggest selling point.

    The media are inciting violence against Trump supporters with their race hoaxes so has the perfect ammunition to attack them with.
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  138. anonguy says:

    A bit OT, but here is the soft pardon I’ve been predicting…

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/22/trump-wont-pursue-charges-against-clinton/

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  139. dearieme says:
    @Jack D

    I see he’s as verbally incoherent as his boss.
     
    Being verbally fluent gets you a job at Starbucks after you spend 10 years working on your English PhD. and as a postdoc but fail to land a tenure track position.

    Bannon and his boss OTOH have both done really well in life, even before one became POTUS and the other his trusted adviser. So maybe verbal coherence isn't everything.

    Tony Blair was fluent, and as nasty a little scumbag as has ever graced No. 10. He wasn’t very bright either, but oh the words gushed forth.

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  140. @slumber_j

    Trump’s smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.
     
    I thought he just did it with the latest video. Seemed like a very pointed move on his part: ask the media over, rake them over the coals, then post your Transition progress report straight to YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

    No presser, no broadcast TV, no pundits immediately parsing it after the fact. The message was clear to me...and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even lost on the people at CNN!

    Plus no selective editing by the MSM! Grand Master Troll!

    Now in my third week of gloating as the Donald continues to show these people for the fools that they are.

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  141. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    we shouldn’t be attacking people to the right of him

    Who is this “we”, kemo sabe?

    alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn’t even work that well with educated white women.

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    Who is this “we”, kemo sabe?
     
    lol

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn’t even work that well with educated white women.
     
    Yes. So how do you know that some LARPing Nazis like Spencer are hurting Trump or not? (I'm not sure Spencer is a LARPing Nazi. Honestly I read very little from him, and what I read wasn't really Nazi-ish, but I could be wrong. I also don't know much about those Roman salutes at NPI, except having seen a picture of an Asian reality trash celebrity - who had previously been unknown to me - with two white guys making it, probably while drunk.)
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  142. Marat says:
    @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    I’m going to take a wild guess that Kevin Williamson is ok with perpetuation of businesses that succeed solely due to cheap money. He probably wouldn’t be interested in seeing market forces clear all dead wood if it involved certain enterprises/ activity.

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  143. anonguy says:
    @Lot
    You all should read this, Steve Bannon Q&A from 2014:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right. God willing he'll run Trump's admin as much as possible.

    I liked this guy before I read this, but like him even more now. He just hits every point right.

    He was a line officer in the Navy, that is often good early training in dealing with harsh realities.

    He was also in during the Carter years, apparently that made a big impression on him as well.

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  144. Jack D says:
    @slumber_j

    Trump’s smackdown of the press barons at the Trump Tower recently was some of the better news this week, but one of his chief priorities should be to find a way to take these guys out of the equation completely.
     
    I thought he just did it with the latest video. Seemed like a very pointed move on his part: ask the media over, rake them over the coals, then post your Transition progress report straight to YouTube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

    No presser, no broadcast TV, no pundits immediately parsing it after the fact. The message was clear to me...and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even lost on the people at CNN!

    Right, what use are these folks to Trump (or for that matter to Hillary, who never held press conferences)? He has just disintermediated them – no more press wholesalers, Trump sells direct via online marketing – YouTube, Twitter, etc. If the press wants to find out what the President said, they can watch YouTube like the rest of us.

    It’s their own fault. If I hired you to deliver a letter for me and you wrote all over the envelope: this letter is a bunch of lies, the man who wrote it is evil and you cut out parts of my letter in order to cast me in the worst possible light, etc. would you blame me if next time I tried to find another way to deliver it?

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    I agree, but in the long run the loss of some form of media, which, theoretically, has the resources to investigate and the expertise to evaluate claims, will hurt us. A series of government press releases is not a good way to stay informed.
    , @Clyde
    Brilliant how Donald Trump issued a transition update via you tube. A few hours ago it registered 1.3 million views and was two and a half minutes. Trump is getting great advice on counteracting the media. He does not come up with all this by himself. I say Steve Bannon is behind some of this jamming of the media elites.
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  145. utu says:
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    “Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks”

    Bannon does not talk about reaching out to Blacks. He just expects that if his economic policies work Blacks will support it. Reaching out to Blacks means pandering to their racial issue. Bannon does not pander to Blacks.

    “Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he’s not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.”

    What is Sailer Strategy?

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    On the off chance you're new here: Sailer Strategy is trying to win presidential elections by increasing your percentage of the white vote. Nobody wanted to do it before, but Trump did it and won.
    , @reiner Tor
    In any event Trump never specifically thanked his white supporters (by far the biggest group of his supporters), while having thanked his black and Latino supporters.

    I actually don't expect blacks to vote Republican, because in my experience race trumps economic interests (and anything else) for most humans, with the exception of whites (but maybe even whites are no exceptions when they are a minority).
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  146. MatrixD says:

    Ironically, these counties have been falling into disarray over the same 20 year period that their voting patterns changed from Democrat to Republican. In other words, Republican governance at the local level, at the county level, and at the state level. But a Democrat in charge at the federal level who apparently is responsible for all the catastrophes.

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    Yes - mass immigration and off-shoring is decided at the national level.
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  147. @Clifford Brown
    I fully expect Trump to take Fareed Zakaria and Bill Maher to the toolshed at some point while President.

    Trump supporters may not be "hurting", but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting. Trump supporters are not addicted to opioids, but they know a neighbor that has lost a child to a heroin overdose. Trump supporters may be comfortable economically, but they see that their 25 year nephews at Thanksgiving dinner are still living at home with little hope of economic prosperity.

    Trump supporters may not be “hurting”, but Trump supporters live in or near communities that are hurting.

    We are also able to identify policies that will cause us to hurt in the future and that will, in fact, limit the extent of our future.

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  148. Anonym says:

    OT: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/

    I’m disappointed in this. I didn’t vote for virtue signalling or political correctness, and neither did millions of other white people who find a home in the alt-right and voted Trump. If Trump was going to disavow us, he should have done it prior to the election. A disavowal is hard to reconcile with this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801029194906038272

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    Night of the Long Knives?

    Wait and see what he does. I suspect the vagueness of the term 'alt-right' will give him some wiggle room. I also suspect he will distance himself from Richard Spencer and his haircut while restricting immigration and, basically, giving you more of what you wanted than any traditional Republican or, God forbid, Democrat.

    Politicians make compromises. It's what they do.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    It's because of the Spencer-wing. "Alt-right" is in the process of getting re-branded as Nazi-nostalgia with visions of future Holocausts due to Spencer's prediliction for saying things like maybe getting a white ethno-state will require bloodshed.

    I don't agree with that, and I don't want a lilly-white ethno-state. There's a difference between not wanting to be taken over by incompatible people and wanting to purge every last ethnic minority.

    Who cares about a label? Jarod Taylor, Derb, etc ought to just stop using labels like alt-right and just broadcast their message.
    , @anon
    as a practical thing it doesn't matter if the alt-right is disavowed as the role is to be beyond the pale - if they weren't waging cultural warfare from the right edge of the Overton window they couldn't move it

    on the other hand Trump shouldn't ever bend the knee to the media on any issue as a matter of principle
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  149. Sunbeam says:
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    “2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. ”

    Are you American? I mean with a handle like reiner Tor.

    Because you really don’t seem to be very knowledgeable about things that are common knowledge in the US. The pertinent one in this case that American blacks are not in favor of immigration, have been hurt by it at least as much as Rust Belt whites and West Coast programmers, that the Democratic Party, regardless of stated commitment to the welfare state, effectively follows policies that hurt blacks as surely as it does white plumbers in Mississippi.

    Did you know that blacks in general are as skeptical of US foreign policy as anyone on this site?

    It’s not unreasonable at all to speculate that a nationalistic, populist sort of Republican party could get 40% of the black vote. A Republican party that isn’t hell bent on open borders, mass immigration, destroying Social Security… well at at point a lot of them will perceive their personal interests are best served by voting Republican.

    The party of Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor isn’t getting that vote. What Bannon and Donald Trump could turn it into just might.

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    reiner Tor is from central Europe, I think.

    40% of the black vote I doubt. But Trump got 30% of the Latino vote. I could definitely see him cranking it up to 35 if he plays his cards right.
    , @reiner Tor
    I'm not American.

    American blacks are not in favor of immigration, have been hurt by it at least as much as Rust Belt whites and West Coast programmers, that the Democratic Party, regardless of stated commitment to the welfare state, effectively follows policies that hurt blacks as surely as it does white plumbers in Mississippi.
     
    They still have a racial hatred of whites, and race and hate always trump economic interests etc. Yes, immigration hurts blacks, but blacks have consistently voted for pro-immigration candidates for decades.

    Did you know that blacks in general are as skeptical of US foreign policy as anyone on this site?
     
    I did know.

    It’s not unreasonable at all to speculate that a nationalistic, populist sort of Republican party could get 40% of the black vote.
     
    It is. Race and racial hatred trump economic interests, and they hate whitey. Whites sold them to slavery! You'd need decades of a concerted educational effort (with pro-white or at least not explicitly anti-white teachers) to change that.
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  150. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    Looks like it was Williamson’s ideas about white folks that needed to kick the bucket. NR had been ‘turning left with the right blinker on’ for some time now, but this election cycle they made a real gamble and went all in on the ‘right side of history’. Only it turned out to be the wrong side.

    I think we should treat them the way Trump is treating the media at large and ignore them. They obviously hate and fear us. Let them rot into obsolescence.

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  151. @Anonymous
    Surprise, surprise.

    The blatantly and explicitly anti-white Economist magazine throws together any adjectives it can to impugn the characters of Trump voters.
    'Obese', 'diabetes', 'ill-educated','disabled' etc etc.

    Funnily enough, those bastards at The Economist would never ever dare insult the ghetto-rat Hillary voters.

    By the way, I always thought that 'Angus Deaton' was a British comedian, ironically sacked from his highly popular and lucrative satirical gig due to cocaine abuse.

    It depends whether these poor minorities live in western countries, or live in their own countries. If they live in non-western countries it’s okay to push free trade on them (which means 85 IQ Africans have to compete directly against 105 IQ Asians) or drop bombs on them in the name of western values, but not if they live on the magic dirt.

    Non-whites become special people once they set foot on the magic dirt.

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  152. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=steve%20sailer,richard%20spencer

    This is a travesty. I don't know why Richard Spencer is getting all this attention all of the sudden when there is no connection between him and Trump, other than he and his friends like to root for trump on twitter. He likes to say he is the brains behind trump: absolutely not. It's clear "Adios America" provided the intellectual impetus behind the Trump campaign, making immigration Trump's signature issue for proving how corrupt/incompetent elites are. I don't see any profiles of Ann, especially since her ideas are (somewhat) in the overton window. I've seen like 10 profiles of Spencer so far, and he's getting all these interviews. And it's clear who Coulter is inspired by. I don't see a lot of reflection or intellectual examination of the Trump phenonmenon in the MSM: it's just "look there's a racist"! ...

    Ross Douthat was saying that journos should profile our host instead of Richard after his very manly “Heil Trump” outburst

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  153. Steve Sailer! Wonder if Mark Styn will ever do the Demographics of Liberal Feminist Democrats? Any way to measure, from drug overdoses to abortions, to gays, lesbians and the Queer nation, the rejection of the Church, the Family, the notion of children, all the folks that don’t breed, vs. THEIR rates of death?

    My curiosity is whether in 50 years time, we finally just reaped a previously unseen change in demographics? Any chance Liberal Feminists are “unbreeding” and “out-aborting” and in Blacks’ cases, “out-murdering” themselves out of electoral votes? In short, is the Liberal-Feminist-Queer-Black “ethic” making itself extinct? Any chance there’s a retraction, a reverse curve going on that will exert itself to ever-greater severity in our favor going forward?

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  154. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    Ross Douthat was saying that journos should profile our host instead of Richard after his very manly "Heil Trump" outburst

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  155. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    1) You don’t know what’s good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a “real Nazi” looks like, or whatever. I would’ve thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.

    I’ll grant that it’s a *possibility* but I think there is a miniscule chance that this actually makes Nazism cool instead of hurting Trump and people associated with Spencer. Do you really think otherwise?

    “Shifting the Overton Window” is the “Structural Racism” of the alrtight. Everything can be explained by it.

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    How could this hurt Trump? I fail to see. The media will spend a lot of time promoting Spencer, and then... what will happen? Will people see Spencer even scarier than David Duke? Or what?

    Again, in Hungary Jobbik even created a LARPing clown "paramilitary" organization (it might not be so scary to Americans with their militias, but in Hungary this weaponless "paramilitary", with uniforms looking like folk dancer parody outfits, and the"soldiers" being a mixture of skinny guys, fat guys, old guys, and women, were considered to be scary) and I had thought it'd hurt both Orbán and Jobbik - turned out, it hurt neither. Actually, some groups to the right of Jobbik created some smaller "paramilitaries" (and occasionally with real weapons) as well. It didn't hurt Orbán or Jobbik, though most people (including me, and including the leftist media who gave publicity to this, and the leftist government who allowed this to happen as part of their anti-right-wing scaremongering tactics) thought it would.
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  156. 2Mintzin1 says:
    @AndrewR
    The idea that "rural America" has "waged a war" against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don't even know how to respond.


    As for people who like foreigners, among whom I kind of count myself (I obviously don't like all coreigners equally), I would suggest actually going to foreign countries instead of opening up our borders.

    I have friends I love to visit but whom I'd never want to live with.

    “a war against books and the ocean “…Makes me think of King Canute, for some reason. Not too sure about the war on books…Huckleberry Finn was not banned from school libraries by conservatives.

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  157. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    According to the Megaphone, the ‘Truth’ is all about the Volume, not about Veracity.

    If the megaphone can scream 2 + 2 = 5 louder than someone muttering 2 + 2 = 4, then the answer must be 5 because of the higher volume.

    This is like black politics.
    Blacks think they have the truth because they holler the loudest.

    MSM think they have the truth because they hold the megaphone.

    Those who wield the Megaphone only hear the echoes.

    They might as well be called ‘fivers’.

    They hate the ‘fourers’.

    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5
    2+2=5

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  158. Jack D says:
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    While I agree that Trump shouldn’t play the press’s “will you denounce him?” game (they want him to denounce everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders), no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics – they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense. Bannon has it right – what we need are American nationalists, not white nationalists.

    As for your other points, please give the man a chance. He hasn’t even taken office yet and everything he has said and done so far and every appointment he has made are a million times better than what Hillary and Obama had to offer.

    Blacks are not permanently wedded to the Democrat Party. They’ve been strongly bonded since Johnson won them over with the Civil Rights Act and food stamps, etc. but the same forces that have pried blue collar whites away from the Democrats could do the same for blacks. Kanye West has been praising Trump. Some significant % of blacks could begin to see that the globalists have been tossing them the snouts and trotters and eating high off the hog themselves.

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    no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics – they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense.
     
    That's my point. You don't know what helps Trump. In Hungary, Orbán was helped by Jobbik in a similar situation. Jobbik grew out of nowhere, in large part due to similar media tactics - the leftists kept talking about how Orbán "enabled the far right" or how "there was now a far right danger", and of course Jobbik played into leftists' hands by creating a clown "paramilitary" organization complete with a black uniform and initially maybe forty "soldiers". But in the end Orbán simply positioned himself as a centrist between the fringe extremist left-liberals and the fringe extreme right Jobbik.

    Trump can now point his fingers at Spencer as a real white nationalist, and paint himself as a centrist. Until Spencer, Bannon was the most far right person imaginable (and in the White House, to boot), but now it's Spencer, which makes Bannon a moderate or even center-right.

    Besides, if there's a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he's saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him. Jobbik probably helped focus Orbán's thoughts a bit on some important questions.

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  159. Pericles says:
    @Sunbeam
    "I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials."

    Yeah. I remember the Mooney Times put out that thing about the pedos. Guess someone sent a message, it was received, then back down the memory hole.

    Was a front pager too in Washington if I remember correctly. Funny how stuff like that goes away.

    The Jeff Gannon thing (is he now hooked up with the second most closeted case after Lindsay Graham, Karl Rove?) was tailor made to blow up into a media feeding frenzy.

    It had everything. Absolutely everything. Could have been the Casey Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Jon Benet Ramsey cases rolled into one, with a touch of Watergate to pique the serious ones in media.

    But nothing. Total silence.

    These media events don't arise spontaneously. They are endlessly promoted in the media. Some event happens somewhere, one with some hooks and meat to it. And they start a marketing campaign.

    Unless the people who own the media companies say:

    "Nah, not this one. Something else will come along, you can count on that in a country of this size. So even though this one is a hanging meatball over the plate, just waiting to get launched over the fence in a mammoth home run, we're passing.

    What? Our competitors are going to run with the story? HA HA HA HA!"

    Personally I thought the LIBOR story was a bigger deal than the housing bubble. But nothing.

    Good god, bond traders make and lose freaking fortunes based on how interest rates go. So many things like ARM's are tied to the rates. I'd wager a guess that the money that changed hands while this thing was going on (and is it still going on frankly?) is greater than the housing bubble (if someone bothered to do the accounting).

    Yet nothing. Like it never happened.

    Basically Goldman Sachs and some other vested entities could decide WHAT they wanted the LIBOR rate to be, and that affected all the other things inexplicably tied to what rate a group of UK banks set.

    No wonder those bastards are rich. And our genius media, "Speaking Truth to Power," wasn't even vaguely interested?

    In this vein, I thought it was remarkable when the USA nakedly intimidated the rating agencies into giving them their required AAA rating. Another financial pillar of dust.

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  160. Pericles says:
    @candid_observer
    OT, but here's a good summary of the take of T A Frank, a liberal journalist at Vanity Fair, on the rise of Trump, and its connection to the immigration issue.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/vanity-fair-writer-had-finger-pulse-immigration-voters-pollsters-missed

    It demonstrates among other things how it is possible to support one partisan side while seeing the merits in the arguments of the other side. This is truly a lost art among the vast horde of contemporary journalists; indeed, worse yet, it is an art they now actively despise.

    One of the most discouraging things about this election, both before and now after, is how completely journalists have turned themselves over to unchecked partisan hackery. If a journalist has no basic interest in the truth, there will be no useful facts or worthwhile insights to be gleaned in their works. I now find myself virtually never reading The NY Times or the New Yorker when the subject is remotely connected to politics. Their product really does make you dumber than before.

    I suppose you could say that journalism tried to rise above it’s plain and partisan yellow press origins during the last half of the 20th century, by building up goodwill and a reputation for neutrality and scrupulousness(*); and now are busily spending it down while they subside into the mire once more.

    (*) Whether entirely deserved or not.

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  161. BB753 says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    CNN actually showed a picture of the bus driver in the TN crash. Perhaps there are already subtle changes in Trump's America.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-chattanooga-school-bus-accident/

    File under: yet another thing to worry about. Have you seen your kids' bus driver lately? What a pain it would be to drive my kids to school, but I'd have NO CHOICE if their bus driver looked like that. Ugh.

    The bus driver looks like Boehner’ son-in-law, lol!

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  162. Anon87 says:

    OT: 60 Minutes Goes To Sweden To Show How Wonderful Refugees Are, But Gets Attacked By Refugees During the Piece

    This is the way the West ends, not with a bang but with a mobility scooter kamikazeing into a pack of wild savages.

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  163. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Ramzan Kadyrov’s response to the election: start a reality show!

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/world/europe/chechnya-ramzan-kadyrov-donald-trump.html

    Broski on phone

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  164. Ivy says:

    Steve,
    Have you dissected the lefty commenter stats that were to have started some weeks ago after the Alt-Right popped up on the media radar? How many were one hit wonders and how many stuck with the site, for example?

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  165. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “While I agree that Trump shouldn’t play the press’s ‘will you denounce him?’ game (they want him to denounce everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders), no good can come of Spencer.”

    LOL.

    Spencer was ‘larping’.

    He gave a very good speech, and he trolled the media at the end with ‘Hail Victory’.

    Media say Alt Right is ‘neo-nazi’, so he played the part. But ‘Hail’ salutes have a long pedigree in European history. It’s not only a nazi thing.

    There is much more to him, and the speech speaks for itself. It was not a mindless neo-nazi speech.

    Another thing. Spencer isn’t about diplomacy. He will never be in the power structure.
    He wants to play a vanguard role, and that is always dangerous and edgy because you have to look beyond what is permissible.

    Also, Spencer knows the value of notoriety. If he’d just made the speech, it would have been ignored. But because of his salute, he got the attention, and more people will be aware of NPI and the speech he gave.

    Trump and Bannon need to distance themselves from Spencer, but we need people like Spencer to say what cannot be said.

    And if media are okay with self-professed communists like Cornel West and Van Jones making regular appearances on TV, then they have no moral credibility in bitching about ‘extremism’ on the Right.

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    But because of his salute, he got the attention, and more people will be aware of NPI and the speech he gave.
     
    He didn't salute - he raised a glass which looked like a salute - which was good trolling.

    Trump and Bannon need to distance themselves from Spencer, but we need people like Spencer to say what cannot be said.
     
    Exactly.
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  166. This is not a failure of progressivism, but a success. Until you understand this much, you’re still a “cuck”.

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    Neo-progressivism, maybe.

    The old/original kind was very eugenic and very pro-white.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/03/being-progressive-yesterday-race.html

    In fact the original public health movement was grounded in concerns about what mass immigration was doing to the health of white families, particularly in population centers.
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  167. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Trump is Hitler” meme was not started by Alt Right but by MSM.

    Alt Right played along in trollish way.

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  168. Steve

    Do you think they will be kicked out of West Point?

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  169. Olorin says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Perhaps, but crackers are supposed to die off and get out of the way of the future.

    It's the right side of history.

    But the wrong side of both statistics and genomics.

    Look up “regression to the mean.”

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  170. Olorin says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    This is not a failure of progressivism, but a success. Until you understand this much, you're still a "cuck".

    Neo-progressivism, maybe.

    The old/original kind was very eugenic and very pro-white.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/03/being-progressive-yesterday-race.html

    In fact the original public health movement was grounded in concerns about what mass immigration was doing to the health of white families, particularly in population centers.

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    Today's progressivism is always at war with yesterday's. "We have always been at war with Eastasia!" Or was it Eurasia?
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  171. @Jack D
    While I agree that Trump shouldn't play the press's "will you denounce him?" game (they want him to denounce everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders), no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics - they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense. Bannon has it right - what we need are American nationalists, not white nationalists.

    As for your other points, please give the man a chance. He hasn't even taken office yet and everything he has said and done so far and every appointment he has made are a million times better than what Hillary and Obama had to offer.

    Blacks are not permanently wedded to the Democrat Party. They've been strongly bonded since Johnson won them over with the Civil Rights Act and food stamps, etc. but the same forces that have pried blue collar whites away from the Democrats could do the same for blacks. Kanye West has been praising Trump. Some significant % of blacks could begin to see that the globalists have been tossing them the snouts and trotters and eating high off the hog themselves.

    no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics – they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense.

    That’s my point. You don’t know what helps Trump. In Hungary, Orbán was helped by Jobbik in a similar situation. Jobbik grew out of nowhere, in large part due to similar media tactics – the leftists kept talking about how Orbán “enabled the far right” or how “there was now a far right danger”, and of course Jobbik played into leftists’ hands by creating a clown “paramilitary” organization complete with a black uniform and initially maybe forty “soldiers”. But in the end Orbán simply positioned himself as a centrist between the fringe extremist left-liberals and the fringe extreme right Jobbik.

    Trump can now point his fingers at Spencer as a real white nationalist, and paint himself as a centrist. Until Spencer, Bannon was the most far right person imaginable (and in the White House, to boot), but now it’s Spencer, which makes Bannon a moderate or even center-right.

    Besides, if there’s a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he’s saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him. Jobbik probably helped focus Orbán’s thoughts a bit on some important questions.

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    "Besides, if there’s a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he’s saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him."

    I'm not American, but judging from Spencer's (now deleted) Twitter account the man's a deluded idiot who will never lead a "movement". I'm pretty far to the right myself and have some sympathy for identitarianism but some of Spencer's statements are so over the top it's hilarious. "I want a white empire in the northern hemisphere with global power projection capabilities"...things like this are just silly.
    , @Bdbs
    Jobbik gets 25 percent of the vote? That's what you call fringe? Even the nazis had difficulty breaking past 35 period the vote in 1932, and Jobbik actually gets the same proportion of votes in the countryside and Budapest, which is the Hungarian equivalent of Nyc, Jobbik actually is the most popular party among the youth and gets a lot of support from the universities, which is why I think that WN actually has a fighting chance among white millenials and white millenial college students, and Greece's Golden Dawn is getting 10 percent of the vote and is a literal Nazi party, I mean can you imagine a literal Nazi getting 10 percent of the American vote? Plus AFD in Germany may get as high as 15 percent or more, and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.
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  172. @Cwhatfuture
    What does it take to bring down white life expectancy in the United States? Life expectancy rises everywhere and yet here it declines? Here, with the best medical science in the world, here it is declining? Don't look to opiate use or diabetes as the reason. Napoleon said that in war, "the moral is to the physical as three to one". This is demoralization. I suspect, I hope, that within four years we will see a rise.

    This is demoralization.

    Center shot! And the demoralization is both intentional and malicious.

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  173. Trumped says:

    http://www.fox5ny.com/sports/219193877-story

    Off topic: At a nfl game in Mexico city, Mexican fans chanted anti gay slurs and shined a green laser at the Houston Texans qb during the game to distract him. I guess this is the sort of vibrant diversity that the open borders SJW types want for America.

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  174. @Jack D
    Right, what use are these folks to Trump (or for that matter to Hillary, who never held press conferences)? He has just disintermediated them - no more press wholesalers, Trump sells direct via online marketing - YouTube, Twitter, etc. If the press wants to find out what the President said, they can watch YouTube like the rest of us.

    It's their own fault. If I hired you to deliver a letter for me and you wrote all over the envelope: this letter is a bunch of lies, the man who wrote it is evil and you cut out parts of my letter in order to cast me in the worst possible light, etc. would you blame me if next time I tried to find another way to deliver it?

    I agree, but in the long run the loss of some form of media, which, theoretically, has the resources to investigate and the expertise to evaluate claims, will hurt us. A series of government press releases is not a good way to stay informed.

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    theoretically, has the resources to investigate

    Big media has fewer resources ever day. Most papers and networks have cut their newsrooms and bureaus way back.

    and the expertise to evaluate claims,

    too bad they abused their "expertise" to become obvious shills for one party and now no one believes that their "evaluations" are neutral and unbiased. BTW, speaking of expertise, find the Jeopardy episode on which Wolf Blitzer appeared - the space between his ears is empty. His score was negative $4,600.
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  175. @George
    When Bush II started pouring wealth into the the Iraqistan mess the healthcare system collapsed. Obamacare was an attempt to correct this, but O never managed to close down W's wars.

    LOL! Best non-sequitur I’ve seen all week.

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  176. Anonym says:

    Bannon has it right – what we need are American nationalists, not white nationalists.

    White identity politics did not end with Trump’s election, although it certainly did facilitate it. If “we” need American nationalists and not white nationalists, then logically “we” also don’t need Zionists right? (This is an argument I’d prefer not to make btw.)

    I would expect Trump to disavow anyone making saying Seig Heil etc but it should be tied to specific individuals and group. The alt-right is a very broad brush. And I would argue that in the scheme of things, alt-right < WN < WS in terms of repugnance. And WN is not particularly repugnant. What is repugnant about the 14 words?

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  177. Clyde says:
    @Jack D
    Right, what use are these folks to Trump (or for that matter to Hillary, who never held press conferences)? He has just disintermediated them - no more press wholesalers, Trump sells direct via online marketing - YouTube, Twitter, etc. If the press wants to find out what the President said, they can watch YouTube like the rest of us.

    It's their own fault. If I hired you to deliver a letter for me and you wrote all over the envelope: this letter is a bunch of lies, the man who wrote it is evil and you cut out parts of my letter in order to cast me in the worst possible light, etc. would you blame me if next time I tried to find another way to deliver it?

    Brilliant how Donald Trump issued a transition update via you tube. A few hours ago it registered 1.3 million views and was two and a half minutes. Trump is getting great advice on counteracting the media. He does not come up with all this by himself. I say Steve Bannon is behind some of this jamming of the media elites.

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  178. @Lugash
    Nothing but non stop hypocrisy and missed calls in that video. My favorite is when he chides kids for wanting to be celebrities rather than work for MSF. Of course, neither he nor Fareed chose that boring but helpful career path. And when Fareed asks him about serving as a politician, well that would involve Bill having to wake up in the morning and do some work.

    My favorite:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul2OuvPOQE

    Someone obviously doesn’t understand the moral of The Boy Who Cried Wolf fable.

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  179. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Hey Steve,

    Looks like a couple of my comments here got caught in moderation.

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    Get in line..
    , @Dave Pinsen
    My mistake. I left those comments in this thread instead: http://www.unz.com/forum/white-nationalists-celebrate-an-awakening-after-donald-trump/
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  180. @AndrewR
    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn't try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    You’re delusional. That stunt at his meeting has HURT the cause of immigration control.

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  181. @Dave Pinsen
    Hey Steve,

    Looks like a couple of my comments here got caught in moderation.

    Get in line..

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  182. dfordoom says: • Website
    @utu
    I read it and I am very impressed with him. I see Bannon has broader and deeper view then most politicos around. He must have had good education in classics and some exposure to Catholic teachings on society and economy, I think. As long as he is listened to by Trump and his people I have hope. I am sure there will be lots of attacks to have him sidelined because the enemy knows he is theirs most dangerous opponent. I am afraid that at some point the most racialist part of alt-right which derives its animus from Protestantism will turn on him because he will not share their racialist ideations.

    "I believe, strongly, is a crisis both of our church, a crisis of our faith, a crisis of the West, a crisis of capitalism." - Right hierarchy

    "One is a form of capitalism that is taken away from the underlying spiritual and moral foundations of Christianity and, really, Judeo-Christian belief." - He is right though I would drop the pretentious judeo prefix.

    "The second form of capitalism that I feel is almost as disturbing, is what I call the Ayn Rand or the Objectivist School of libertarian capitalism" - Right on the money. My man! I can't stand these libertarians, etc. the useful idiots for oligarchy and neoliberal capitalism. Unfortunately there is lots of them in Silicon Valley.

    "just tired of being dictated to by what we call the party of Davos. A group of kind of — we’re not conspiracy-theory guys, but there’s certainly — and I could see this when I worked at Goldman Sachs — there are people in New York that feel closer to people in London and in Berlin than they do to people in Kansas and in Colorado," - He knows them! He knows what kind of games the financial sector (our greatest enemy) is up to.

    "the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things. " - Exactly!

    "we’re the voice of the anti-abortion movement, the voice of the traditional marriage movement" - This the reason the low level functionaries of media hate him but the true reason he is hated, which high level media functionaries know, is because of hie views on capitalism that is practiced in the US.

    This the reason the low level functionaries of media hate him but the true reason he is hated, which high level media functionaries know, is because of hie views on capitalism that is practiced in the US.

    Yep.

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  183. @reiner Tor

    no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics – they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense.
     
    That's my point. You don't know what helps Trump. In Hungary, Orbán was helped by Jobbik in a similar situation. Jobbik grew out of nowhere, in large part due to similar media tactics - the leftists kept talking about how Orbán "enabled the far right" or how "there was now a far right danger", and of course Jobbik played into leftists' hands by creating a clown "paramilitary" organization complete with a black uniform and initially maybe forty "soldiers". But in the end Orbán simply positioned himself as a centrist between the fringe extremist left-liberals and the fringe extreme right Jobbik.

    Trump can now point his fingers at Spencer as a real white nationalist, and paint himself as a centrist. Until Spencer, Bannon was the most far right person imaginable (and in the White House, to boot), but now it's Spencer, which makes Bannon a moderate or even center-right.

    Besides, if there's a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he's saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him. Jobbik probably helped focus Orbán's thoughts a bit on some important questions.

    “Besides, if there’s a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he’s saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him.”

    I’m not American, but judging from Spencer’s (now deleted) Twitter account the man’s a deluded idiot who will never lead a “movement”. I’m pretty far to the right myself and have some sympathy for identitarianism but some of Spencer’s statements are so over the top it’s hilarious. “I want a white empire in the northern hemisphere with global power projection capabilities”…things like this are just silly.

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    “I want a white empire in the northern hemisphere with global power projection capabilities”…things like this are just silly.
     
    Leaving aside the word empire the simple fact is the global north is more prosperous for genetic reasons and if that isn't preserved both north and south are doomed.

    If globalists succeed in eradicating White people that still leaves east Asians for now but the globalists would destroy them next.

    I’m pretty far to the right myself and have some sympathy for identitarianism
     
    You're not right at all unless you understand and accept identitarianism.

    There's no excuse not to accept genetics - it's like having a political ideology that doesn't accept gravity.
    , @reiner Tor
    Then Spencer is irrelevant. Why spend energies attacking him? If you should be attacking anyone in this whole story, it should be the media who give him publicity, not Spencer.

    Either Spencer is relevant and will lead a movement (or someone similar will do that), in which case it can be useful (but then don't attack him), or he won't, in which case he's irrelevant (and why waste time and energy denouncing him).
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  184. Epiphany: Clinton might have won had she aggressively raised Trump University. Her failure to raise in any of the debates the character issue (Trump as swindler of working-class people) was, it seems likely, quid pro quo for Trump not prosecuting her (as we learned today). [I'm personally outraged that Trump scored the cheap debate point "You'll be in jail, when it was a lie.]

    [A similar quid pro quo was exposed between Clinton and Sanders in the leaked email.]

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    Nah.

    Voters knew about Trump U, and knew Trump was an operator. They voted for him because they believed he'd use those talents on behalf of the country.
    , @Anonymous
    In at least one debate she brought up him stiffing contractors and buying Chinese steel.
    , @Jack D
    Yeah, Hillary's didn't spend enough time in her ads harping on Trump's negatives. If only she had run a few more negative ads on top of the millions that she ran, that would have done the trick.

    Most of the Trump U. students rated their experience positively. This was just a class action racket - we have a crazy system in the US where lawyers can be entrepreneurs who sponsor lawsuits. This time the students are in line to get a substantial refund but usually these cases get settled where the lawyers get millions in "legal fees" and the "victims" get a free coupon for 20% off their next purchase.
    , @anon
    She probably doesn't have long to live.
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  185. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AndrewR
    The idea that "rural America" has "waged a war" against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don't even know how to respond.


    As for people who like foreigners, among whom I kind of count myself (I obviously don't like all coreigners equally), I would suggest actually going to foreign countries instead of opening up our borders.

    I have friends I love to visit but whom I'd never want to live with.

    The idea that “rural America” has “waged a war” against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don’t even know how to respond.

    So oceanophobia is now a thing? Do rural Americans hate all oceans? Should oceans be protected by hate-speech laws?

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    Back in the day, rural guys loved the ocean enough to enlist in the Navy. That beat being drafted into the infantry after having spent a youth walking.
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  186. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    Hey Steve,

    Looks like a couple of my comments here got caught in moderation.

    My mistake. I left those comments in this thread instead: http://www.unz.com/forum/white-nationalists-celebrate-an-awakening-after-donald-trump/

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  187. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Epiphany: Clinton might have won had she aggressively raised Trump University. Her failure to raise in any of the debates the character issue (Trump as swindler of working-class people) was, it seems likely, quid pro quo for Trump not prosecuting her (as we learned today). [I'm personally outraged that Trump scored the cheap debate point "You'll be in jail, when it was a lie.]

    [A similar quid pro quo was exposed between Clinton and Sanders in the leaked email.]

    Nah.

    Voters knew about Trump U, and knew Trump was an operator. They voted for him because they believed he’d use those talents on behalf of the country.

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  188. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Why on earth is Trump going to pick Romney for a position as important as Secretary?

    That’s ugly.

    Compromise a little, sure. But not on a position like Secretary of State, and so deeply as to accept Romney!

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    I'd make Romney Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Let him clean up the VA health system.
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  189. Bdbs says: • Website
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    no good can come of Spencer. Guys who march around saying Heil and giving stiff arm salutes are never going to be a mainstream force in American politics – they are just going to be punching bags for the left who will do their best to tar Trump with his nonsense.
     
    That's my point. You don't know what helps Trump. In Hungary, Orbán was helped by Jobbik in a similar situation. Jobbik grew out of nowhere, in large part due to similar media tactics - the leftists kept talking about how Orbán "enabled the far right" or how "there was now a far right danger", and of course Jobbik played into leftists' hands by creating a clown "paramilitary" organization complete with a black uniform and initially maybe forty "soldiers". But in the end Orbán simply positioned himself as a centrist between the fringe extremist left-liberals and the fringe extreme right Jobbik.

    Trump can now point his fingers at Spencer as a real white nationalist, and paint himself as a centrist. Until Spencer, Bannon was the most far right person imaginable (and in the White House, to boot), but now it's Spencer, which makes Bannon a moderate or even center-right.

    Besides, if there's a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he's saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him. Jobbik probably helped focus Orbán's thoughts a bit on some important questions.

    Jobbik gets 25 percent of the vote? That’s what you call fringe? Even the nazis had difficulty breaking past 35 period the vote in 1932, and Jobbik actually gets the same proportion of votes in the countryside and Budapest, which is the Hungarian equivalent of Nyc, Jobbik actually is the most popular party among the youth and gets a lot of support from the universities, which is why I think that WN actually has a fighting chance among white millenials and white millenial college students, and Greece’s Golden Dawn is getting 10 percent of the vote and is a literal Nazi party, I mean can you imagine a literal Nazi getting 10 percent of the American vote? Plus AFD in Germany may get as high as 15 percent or more, and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.

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    "and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot."

    Neither did Frauke Petry, the whole "shoot illegal immigrants at the border" controvery was made up by the German media, total nonsense. Petry walked into a trap during an interview (and has an unfortunate tendency for needless provokation at times), but the AfD most certainly isn't a thuggish fascist party like Golden Dawn. Don't believe everything the media tells you.
    , @German_reader
    "and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot."

    Neither did Frauke Petry, the whole "shoot illegal immigrants at the border" controversy was made up by the German media, total nonsense. Petry walked into a trap during an interview (and has an unfortunate tendency for needless provokation at times), but the AfD most certainly isn't a thuggish fascist party like Golden Dawn. Don't believe everything the media tells you.
    , @reiner Tor
    OT

    Jobbik never got 25% of the vote, as you can check here. I think it was once, in one poll, measured at 25% of the likely voters, sometime maybe a year or two before or after an election, I can't exactly remember when. Even that much they reached by pivoting considerably to the left. They are pandering to the Gypsy vote for the same (possible) reason Trump is doing it with blacks, to get the goodwhite vote.

    It's questionable if Jobbik ever was the most popular among the youth, though they are pushing that meme hard themselves. It was a result of some Fidesz policies (particularly unpopular among the youth) and the left totally having discredited itself, which meant that most young people got totally apathetic (or at least that's what they told pollsters, again, maybe a year or two before or after an election), except of course Jobbik voters. Who stayed very much a minority among young voters, nevertheless. Polls far away from elections are often meaningless anyway.

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  190. Jack D says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I agree, but in the long run the loss of some form of media, which, theoretically, has the resources to investigate and the expertise to evaluate claims, will hurt us. A series of government press releases is not a good way to stay informed.

    theoretically, has the resources to investigate

    Big media has fewer resources ever day. Most papers and networks have cut their newsrooms and bureaus way back.

    and the expertise to evaluate claims,

    too bad they abused their “expertise” to become obvious shills for one party and now no one believes that their “evaluations” are neutral and unbiased. BTW, speaking of expertise, find the Jeopardy episode on which Wolf Blitzer appeared – the space between his ears is empty. His score was negative $4,600.

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    I said theoretically. I am as negative about the current MSM as anyone, but the current MSM is not equal to some form of independent media with a critical investigative ability.
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  191. @jacobsson
    I loves this line: "The data suggest that the ill may have been particularly susceptible to Mr Trump’s message."

    Not receptive. Susceptible.

    These diseased people have a weakened immune system. This lowers their resistance to ward off the sickness of Trump's message.

    Good to see another Leftist shill, jacobsson; you been a champion of tyranny long? Or are you a newly minted proponent of slavery?

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  192. colm says:
    @donut
    OK sailer I want to talk about movies . Right off the top of my head I want to say that "True Grit" is
    one of my favorites . Then I would guess "Lone Star" . But really we should talk about the more obscure not top ten movies , right ? Now the first one that comes to mind is "Session Nine" which that no talent faggot David Carouso is in , right ? And then may be we should consider "The Young Poisoners H

    The only worthwhile version of True Grit is the John Wayne version. The original story and the more recent version (made by the Coen brothers and cast a Jewish girl as the heroine) are about the culture of TG dying. John Wayne’s version rejects that premise.

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  193. @utu
    Capital abandoned people first. Rust Belt destruction had nothing to do with immigrants and everything with the paradigm shift from Keynesian to monetarist (neoliberal) economy starting with appointment of Volcker in Carter administration. BTW, Volcker was not Carter's choice. Then came Reagan and the destruction of unions and the beginning of the deindustrialization. Unions were a great guard against the scab (immigrant) labor. In 1980's most Americans except for some savvy union members did not understand what was happening and were accepting the changes that actually were engineered by the FED from the beginning to the end. The so-called measures against inflations through high interest rates were really designed to cool off economy, create unemployment, bust unions and then fight the unemployment by lowering taxes for the rich to achieve the trickle down effect or so they said. Immigration and amnesty was just a part of the same deal to create competition to now union-less thus defenseless working class from the scab labor. Then came fiscally conservative Clinton who deregulated financial institution and the cultural left got behind the changes mobilizing all useful idiots for cultural war against the white men, i.e., the working class and provided new liberal causes in untapped yet field of gender politics.

    The Left and the Right, Democrats and Republicans hand in hand executed a masterful operation on American population by turning them against each other on racial and gender lines and deprived them of remnants of solidarity. Most people haven't noticed how it happened and who really fucked them over and who was laughing all the way to the bank.

    I think that the most politically awaken group are former Obama voters who voted for Trump. If Trump wants to create a movement the core of it must be this group.

    I think that the most politically awaken group are former Obama voters who voted for Trump

    Right – way to describe yourself as the bellwether and presume to bring everyone else to genuflect before your altar.

    Unions abandoned reason when they embraced the Communist model. They used to be anti-communist, but once power sounded the siren song the union leadership marched along like zombies.

    Your leftist impulse is misdirected.

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    @dfordoom

    The idea that “rural America” has “waged a war” against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don’t even know how to respond.
     
    So oceanophobia is now a thing? Do rural Americans hate all oceans? Should oceans be protected by hate-speech laws?

    Back in the day, rural guys loved the ocean enough to enlist in the Navy. That beat being drafted into the infantry after having spent a youth walking.

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  195. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Epiphany: Clinton might have won had she aggressively raised Trump University. Her failure to raise in any of the debates the character issue (Trump as swindler of working-class people) was, it seems likely, quid pro quo for Trump not prosecuting her (as we learned today). [I'm personally outraged that Trump scored the cheap debate point "You'll be in jail, when it was a lie.]

    [A similar quid pro quo was exposed between Clinton and Sanders in the leaked email.]

    In at least one debate she brought up him stiffing contractors and buying Chinese steel.

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  196. Anon87 says:
    @hhsiii
    Well, if you live in Garbutt you are an hour west of Buffalo. Tesla-Solar is supposedly building (mostly funded by NY State) a facility there to build solar roofing, supposed to employ 1600. You are 20 minutes or so from Rochester. Kodak and xerox aren't such huge employers any more but some. Paychex is in Rochester. Hickey-Freeman. You have University of Rochester, Rochester Institute of Technology. They and Cornell incubate what they call Tech Alley. SUNY-Geneseo. Prison guard jobs.

    Blue Collar jobs it isn't easy. There's farming up there. No fracking. Finger Lakes has some tourism, wineries. It's petty hardscrabble if you are blue collar, but there are some spots, like those Tesla jobs supposedly and startups. M&T bank. Good thing is it's pretty cheap to live up there.

    Trump won upstate of course, as Steve noted. Rochester itself has become a fairly dangerous town at night in spots. There's some contruction going on downtown by the Geneseo river. Across from the Genesee Brewery.

    I was just up there. We went to Letchworth State Park. very pretty. Oh yeah, there's an old railroad bridge in that park, over 100 years old, being replaced by one about 100 yards down river. I think that's Norfolk Southern. We saw a mile long freight train creaking slowly over that thing. Must be terrifying up on that bridge. There's a job. :) Anyway, Rochester was nice to visit. Lake Ontario was quite a sight. Lot of nice homes, probably some construction work renovating those. And Corning is still going strong.

    So there you go. Garbutt. The crossroads of upstate New York.

    I hope you went to the brewery. Best view of the city from there, looking at the falls. Overall the city needs more good paying jobs other than service/education.

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    I did. I grew up on Genny Cream Ale. The pub was good. Nice setting with the falls there.
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  197. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I think many people looking at the figure overlook the fact that this is change relative to how Romney did. In other words, the majority of Trump voters were probably voting conservative but the fractional increase that shifted to Trump over and above Romney, as you indicated, were likely “civic-minded individuals doing okay themselves, but concerned about the trouble in their overlooked communities” deciding to do something about watching their country go down the tubes.

    Such analyses can be fraught with flaws that could confound the data- for example, its likely that Trump got a lower vote in Utah than Romney over the Mormon factor, yet Utah residents are probably more healthy than most.

    The draw of Trump, and whether or not health played a role, would have been more clear cut if they had simply analyzed Trump voting vs. health instead of Trump voting relative to Romney vs. health. Maybe they did it to try to rule out the effect of conservativism. But conservativism is a valid aspect of Trump’s success, so it makes me wonder if this analysis was intentionally skewed to see what they wanted to see. Maybe there would’ve been no correlation without this skew.

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  198. @Jack D
    theoretically, has the resources to investigate

    Big media has fewer resources ever day. Most papers and networks have cut their newsrooms and bureaus way back.

    and the expertise to evaluate claims,

    too bad they abused their "expertise" to become obvious shills for one party and now no one believes that their "evaluations" are neutral and unbiased. BTW, speaking of expertise, find the Jeopardy episode on which Wolf Blitzer appeared - the space between his ears is empty. His score was negative $4,600.

    I said theoretically. I am as negative about the current MSM as anyone, but the current MSM is not equal to some form of independent media with a critical investigative ability.

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    And theoretically Communism is a wonderful system where each person works to the best of his abilities and has all of his needs fulfilled. But the reality was drenched in blood and starvation. The real media has turned into "Democrat operatives with bylines". They were literally coordinating their coverage with the Hillary campaign, feeding her debate questions, etc. They are not the watchdogs that you imagine. When a Democrat is in office they are lapdogs and when it comes to Republicans they are attack dogs. Maybe someday we could get back to a neutral press but the current organs all need to go out of business (most newspapers already have) and be rebuilt from the ground up as credible nonpartisan sources.
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  199. dfordoom says: • Website
    @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs – illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as “happy pills – Zoloft, Prozac, etc.” Men stay away from porn.

    Nice ideas but in a society that is awash with drugs, porn and Hollywood depravity it’s not likely to happen.

    On the subject of drugs the book by Peter Hitchens, THE WAR WE NEVER FOUGHT, is essential reading. The elites want a society awash with drugs. They engineered it.

    These things can’t be changed by appealing to appeal to people to Just Say No. It’s the same with porn. A government crackdown is needed (and anyone who thinks the First Amendment was intended to open the floodgates to porn is seriously deluded).

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  200. SFG says:
    @Alec Leamas
    Perhaps, but crackers are supposed to die off and get out of the way of the future.

    It's the right side of history.

    I’d say that has recently been called into question.

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  201. Jack D says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Epiphany: Clinton might have won had she aggressively raised Trump University. Her failure to raise in any of the debates the character issue (Trump as swindler of working-class people) was, it seems likely, quid pro quo for Trump not prosecuting her (as we learned today). [I'm personally outraged that Trump scored the cheap debate point "You'll be in jail, when it was a lie.]

    [A similar quid pro quo was exposed between Clinton and Sanders in the leaked email.]

    Yeah, Hillary’s didn’t spend enough time in her ads harping on Trump’s negatives. If only she had run a few more negative ads on top of the millions that she ran, that would have done the trick.

    Most of the Trump U. students rated their experience positively. This was just a class action racket – we have a crazy system in the US where lawyers can be entrepreneurs who sponsor lawsuits. This time the students are in line to get a substantial refund but usually these cases get settled where the lawyers get millions in “legal fees” and the “victims” get a free coupon for 20% off their next purchase.

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  202. SFG says:
    @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    Williamson was saying the *communities* needed to die, not the people–as Derb himself said.

    He represents a neoliberal ideology whose time I think has passed, but that article’s often misquoted.

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  203. @Jefferson
    "Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs – illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as “happy pills – Zoloft, Prozac, etc.”

    I don't know of any White Christian who is a Skid Row level junkie, like the White version of Dave Chappelle's fictional crackhead character.

    I am using the more strict accurate definition of a White Christian which is someone who attends church on most Sundays. I am not using the extremely broad definition of "White Christian" used by White Nationalists which is any White person who is neither a Muslim nor a Jew. Using that broad definition than super Left Wing Dyke Lesbian Rosie O'Donnell for example would be a "White Christian". Using that extremely broad definition of "White Christian" Left Wing White Gentile Atheists who are offended by terms like God Bless You and Merry Christmas would be "White Christians".

    Outside of White Nationalists, most people would not classify Sweden for example as a Christian nation. Most Non White Nationalists would not say that Oregon and Vermont for example are Christian states just like Louisiana and Oklahoma.

    Ah, Jefferson, the Semitophile who once criticized me for criticizing the Afro-Asian Jewish tribe. You said they were the elite, the 1% – but you refused to accept Carol Thatcher (Margaret Thatcher’s daughter) as white, because her DNA was 25% North African (Caucasian).

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    'Ah, Jefferson, the Semitophile who once criticized me for criticizing the Afro-Asian Jewish tribe. You said they were the elite, the 1% – but you refused to accept Carol Thatcher (Margaret Thatcher’s daughter) as white, because her DNA was 25% North African (Caucasian)."

    North Africans are more likely than Jews to have some Sub Saharan African Negroid admixture, that's why I find it extremely weird that you see North Africans as Whiter than Jews.
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  204. keypusher says:
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters.

    As I recall, he said that Trump succeeded they’d get 60% of the white vote and 40% of the black vote and rule for 50 years. 40% of blacks doesn’t sound terribly plausible to me either. But if I was trying to get my share of the white vote up to, say 65%, I’d probably say something like that, because I’d have to pull in a lot of goodwhites who would rather die than vote for a white party.

    Bannon and Trump are playing the game of electoral politics, and that requires a lot of minority outreach in this country, both to get whatever minority votes you can and to reassure the more liberal whites in your coalition.

    You can’t count on winning the election with 47% of the vote/low turnout every time. You only get to run against HRC once.

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    I agree with most of what you wrote, but he could've thanked his white supporters, if he did specifically thank his numerically small black and Hispanic voters. It's not going to hurt his re-election chances 200 weeks from now.

    In any event, whatever Bannon thinks, he needs something to the right of him for many reasons. One is to position himself as center, another is so that he won't deviate to the left too much, another so that the media would spend less time attacking him and instead attacking those others, etc.

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  205. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Look at the Negro’s eyes when the ‘lefty’ says the n-word.

    ROTFL

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  206. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Why on earth is Trump going to pick Romney for a position as important as Secretary?

    That's ugly.

    Compromise a little, sure. But not on a position like Secretary of State, and so deeply as to accept Romney!

    I’d make Romney Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Let him clean up the VA health system.

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  207. SFG says:
    @Anon
    OT: Does anyone hear know anything about Westbrook Pegler? Interesting guy, very popular in his own time, but there's not much written about him that I can find.

    Given the sources I would take it with a few shakers of salt, but these serve as a good introduction if you can shake out the ideology:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2004/03/dangerous_minds.html

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/03/01/rabble-rouser

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  208. SFG says:
    @International Jew
    What do you like?

    I see he's as verbally incoherent as his boss. That is, I'm not sure I know what he's saying, half the time.

    Interesting sort of quasi-Catholic take on capitalism. I think his right-wing populism might be a good counterbalance to the leftist elitism that’s been way too dominant lately, myself.

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  209. SFG says:
    @reiner Tor
    Without a common and public knowledge and acceptance of HBD there's always going to be public blame whitey politics, because if there's no HBD (and you're a racist for even bringing this up!), then why are NAMs so dysfunctional? Why, because white racism, of course.

    Conservatives used to blame culture, before even that became too un-PC. You have to admit ghetto culture is awful.

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  210. SFG says:
    @AndrewR
    Spencer is extraordinarily brilliant and, at 38, is at the perfect age to ride the rising wave of pro-white identity politics. He will be 46 in 2024, the perfect age to run for president (assuming the republic survives that long and that he doesn't try to run against Trump or whomever in 2020). I can honestly see him being our next president. Or whatever we call our leader in the post-republic era.

    Sorry, I do not see this happening. It is just not the fashion in this country.

    Seriously it would take a lot longer than that for white identity politics to get that far. Whites are still a majority, for starters. And Spencer’s instincts are all wrong…’synthwave nostalgia’ for the alt-right logo and Tila Tequila as a spokeswoman? That’s a great way to run an ironic youth movement and a lousy way to get the mom-and-apple-pie crowd.

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  211. @Trelane
    The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die.

    --National Review

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbutt,_New_York

    The word sentimentalism was used four times in Williamson’s article to describe what drives some frail souls to be concered about the state of underpriviliged whites in America.

    If the number of welfare recipients per capita is the sole criteria for the measurement of white dysfunctionality, then left and right eggheads should leave Appalachian rednecks alone and hand National Panhandler Trophy to this community:

    http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090130/NEWS/901300361

    Of course, NR cucksperts would never dare to expose socioethical shortages of the above mentioned populace, not to mention publicly mark up that whole neck of the woods for a full-scale deforestation.

    And why?

    I guess due to a severe case of Pavlovian sentimentalism.

    Bonus:

    http://www.vosizneias.com/125876/2013/03/09/rockland-county-ny-orthodox-enclaves-top-section-8-voucher-list/

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Kiryas-Joel-New-York.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/08/27/nyregion/20060827_ORANGE_MAP.html

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  212. SFG says:
    @AndrewR
    The idea that "rural America" has "waged a war" against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don't even know how to respond.


    As for people who like foreigners, among whom I kind of count myself (I obviously don't like all coreigners equally), I would suggest actually going to foreign countries instead of opening up our borders.

    I have friends I love to visit but whom I'd never want to live with.

    Every nation has its New York. The whole country doesn’t have to be like that.

    We had a quite sensible arrangement where they’d arrive in the cities and gradually spread out as they assimilated. It’s when they started sending truckloads of Hispanics to Iowa that I knew they’d screwed up.

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  213. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    CNN actually showed a picture of the bus driver in the TN crash. Perhaps there are already subtle changes in Trump's America.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-chattanooga-school-bus-accident/

    File under: yet another thing to worry about. Have you seen your kids' bus driver lately? What a pain it would be to drive my kids to school, but I'd have NO CHOICE if their bus driver looked like that. Ugh.

    Or you could pay a 17-25yo to do it so they could save up respectably for a real college degree and avoid student loan debt.

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    When I was in school, the bus drivers were high school students. One day, a little girl dropped her lunch box in front of the bus, bent down to pick it up, and was lost to the driver's view. He ran her over and killed her. I think of little Carolyn often. And the driver.
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  214. @Jack D
    In particular, non-college whites. The smarter fraction in places like upstate NY go, if not to the Ivies, then at least to the nearest state university and after college they join the hordes in Brooklyn or SF (or at least get a job in the govt bureaucracy or they have a family business they can return to). Even the smarter fraction of the blue collar whites do OK as skilled tradesmen in construction/home repair, etc. (often actually better than college whites with jobs at Starbucks) and can relocate to areas where the pay is better.

    But if you are a non-college white without a lot of skills, there's literally no place for you in Palo Alto or Cambridge - you can't even dream of moving there. To be honest, these folks were always kind of lusers, but back in the day they could get a job working in the local wallboard factory and as long as they showed up not too drunk most days they would be OK - it wasn't great and maybe you'd get silicosis but at least it was a steady paycheck. But now even that's gone and these folks are really stuck, addicted to pills and trying to make a living out of disability scams and part time work at Wal-Mart.

    What is really pathetic is the differential attitude in the Democrat party toward the black and white underclasses. In the case of the blacks, their dysfunction is either ignored (black on black crime) or else treated as something that is society's fault and must be corrected by endless government assistance. But when it comes to poor whites, they are still somehow the beneficiaries of "white privilege" and if they are dysfunctional it's their own damn fault and the party is not interested in helping them out - they would prefer if they would just hurry up and die.

    By definition, half of the population is going to be on the left side of the bell curve. In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.

    No, they could be domestic labor so the people who can earn white collar money didn’t end up bloated wrecks from commuting and helicopter parenting, but apparently we’re all supposed to pretend to be middle class instead.

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  215. SFG says:
    @Jack D
    In particular, non-college whites. The smarter fraction in places like upstate NY go, if not to the Ivies, then at least to the nearest state university and after college they join the hordes in Brooklyn or SF (or at least get a job in the govt bureaucracy or they have a family business they can return to). Even the smarter fraction of the blue collar whites do OK as skilled tradesmen in construction/home repair, etc. (often actually better than college whites with jobs at Starbucks) and can relocate to areas where the pay is better.

    But if you are a non-college white without a lot of skills, there's literally no place for you in Palo Alto or Cambridge - you can't even dream of moving there. To be honest, these folks were always kind of lusers, but back in the day they could get a job working in the local wallboard factory and as long as they showed up not too drunk most days they would be OK - it wasn't great and maybe you'd get silicosis but at least it was a steady paycheck. But now even that's gone and these folks are really stuck, addicted to pills and trying to make a living out of disability scams and part time work at Wal-Mart.

    What is really pathetic is the differential attitude in the Democrat party toward the black and white underclasses. In the case of the blacks, their dysfunction is either ignored (black on black crime) or else treated as something that is society's fault and must be corrected by endless government assistance. But when it comes to poor whites, they are still somehow the beneficiaries of "white privilege" and if they are dysfunctional it's their own damn fault and the party is not interested in helping them out - they would prefer if they would just hurry up and die.

    By definition, half of the population is going to be on the left side of the bell curve. In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.

    Very well said. I’m not surprised they voted for the guy who didn’t act like he hated them.

    Part of having a country is having to take care of the slow half of your country. You have a slow cousin, you give him a job cleaning the floors in the factory, even if there’s someone who could do it better, because he’s family, and he’s got to have something to do.

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  216. SFG says:
    @Camlost

    It’s hard for people to wrap their heads around how immigration has closed off a lot of geographic opportunities for Americans who want to make something of themselves even if their relatives aren’t going anywhere in life.
     
    Another thing that a whole lot of people don't understand (especially liberals and even many here in this forum) is that the majority of rural, working-class whites don't want to move to other areas in the country.

    They love the areas where the families have lived for generations and have a connection to the land and the community that urbanites and immigrants simply don't understand.

    This is especially true in the South. Even many college-educated people in the South never leave their ancestral homes, when they go off to the big 4-year school they commute each and every weekend, often returning home to their high school sweetheart who attends another school. They don't feel the need to go off and do all of the cliche young people things like chase adventure or find themselves or their fortune.

    I’ve thought about that quite a bit, actually, but the fact is that industries rise and fall, and if the only thing your town has going for it is proximity to a vein of coal, well…

    One of the advantages of having a huge country is some part of it’s always doing well.

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  217. Jack D says:
    @Judah Benjamin Hur
    CNN actually showed a picture of the bus driver in the TN crash. Perhaps there are already subtle changes in Trump's America.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-chattanooga-school-bus-accident/

    File under: yet another thing to worry about. Have you seen your kids' bus driver lately? What a pain it would be to drive my kids to school, but I'd have NO CHOICE if their bus driver looked like that. Ugh.

    The bus driver looked like his passengers.

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  218. SFG says:
    @utu
    "Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks"

    Bannon does not talk about reaching out to Blacks. He just expects that if his economic policies work Blacks will support it. Reaching out to Blacks means pandering to their racial issue. Bannon does not pander to Blacks.

    "Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he’s not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy."

    What is Sailer Strategy?

    On the off chance you’re new here: Sailer Strategy is trying to win presidential elections by increasing your percentage of the white vote. Nobody wanted to do it before, but Trump did it and won.

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  219. SFG says:
    @Anonym
    OT: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/

    I'm disappointed in this. I didn't vote for virtue signalling or political correctness, and neither did millions of other white people who find a home in the alt-right and voted Trump. If Trump was going to disavow us, he should have done it prior to the election. A disavowal is hard to reconcile with this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801029194906038272

    Night of the Long Knives?

    Wait and see what he does. I suspect the vagueness of the term ‘alt-right’ will give him some wiggle room. I also suspect he will distance himself from Richard Spencer and his haircut while restricting immigration and, basically, giving you more of what you wanted than any traditional Republican or, God forbid, Democrat.

    Politicians make compromises. It’s what they do.

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    Politicians make compromises. It’s what they do.

    I suppose politicians will campaign for nomination one way, for the general election another, and rule a third way, as I've heard said.

    I still have faith that Trump will govern better than the alternative, but I am not happy about this turn of events. At least in the Night of the Long Knives Hitler managed to kill off the threats to his power. In this case there are several million alt-rightists still very much here - who weren't threats to Trump.

    In part this is a shit test and white conservatives as a whole have a long history of failing them. If there is wiggle room, some clarification referring to the Nazi element of the alt-right would be a good idea, otherwise Trump has just disavowed natural conservatives, anti-GOPe people and general shitposters, along with soft WNs - those gentle people who are just sick the anti-White bias in Western society, sick of the PC.
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  220. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    From Douthat’s Column:

    Without getting into details, Trump professed to have an open mind about climate change, made a passing reference to making an immigration deal that we (meaning my more-liberal-on-immigration-than-myself colleagues) would find surprisingly congenial.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/the-trump-revelations.html

    YIKES! I really hopes he comes around, he wavered on immigration before, but then he gave that solid speech in Arizona. I really hope he doesn’t sell us out on this. :(

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    That's pretty disturbing. But if Sessions and Kobach are going to be in the administration how weak on immigration can it get?

    He really does seem to thirst for the approval of the NYTimes as much as his voters': http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/271187-new-york-times-refusing-to-release-off-the-record-tape-of-trump-on

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/business/media/donald-trump-new-york-times.html


    Three people with knowledge of Mr. Trump’s deliberations said that Reince Priebus, the incoming White House chief of staff, had tried to scuttle the meeting at The Times by telling Mr. Trump, erroneously, that the newspaper was shifting its terms.

    Mr. Priebus had been among those urging the president-elect to cancel his interview because he could face questions he might not be prepared to answer, these people said. (A spokesman for Mr. Trump declined to comment on Mr. Priebus’s role.)
     

    , @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/801198968088596480
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  221. SFG says:
    @Sunbeam
    "2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. "

    Are you American? I mean with a handle like reiner Tor.

    Because you really don't seem to be very knowledgeable about things that are common knowledge in the US. The pertinent one in this case that American blacks are not in favor of immigration, have been hurt by it at least as much as Rust Belt whites and West Coast programmers, that the Democratic Party, regardless of stated commitment to the welfare state, effectively follows policies that hurt blacks as surely as it does white plumbers in Mississippi.

    Did you know that blacks in general are as skeptical of US foreign policy as anyone on this site?

    It's not unreasonable at all to speculate that a nationalistic, populist sort of Republican party could get 40% of the black vote. A Republican party that isn't hell bent on open borders, mass immigration, destroying Social Security... well at at point a lot of them will perceive their personal interests are best served by voting Republican.

    The party of Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor isn't getting that vote. What Bannon and Donald Trump could turn it into just might.

    reiner Tor is from central Europe, I think.

    40% of the black vote I doubt. But Trump got 30% of the Latino vote. I could definitely see him cranking it up to 35 if he plays his cards right.

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    And to increase their share of the nonwhite vote, Republicans have to be seen as winners, not losers. Cuck-style begging won't do it.
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  222. @Anonym
    OT: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/

    I'm disappointed in this. I didn't vote for virtue signalling or political correctness, and neither did millions of other white people who find a home in the alt-right and voted Trump. If Trump was going to disavow us, he should have done it prior to the election. A disavowal is hard to reconcile with this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801029194906038272

    It’s because of the Spencer-wing. “Alt-right” is in the process of getting re-branded as Nazi-nostalgia with visions of future Holocausts due to Spencer’s prediliction for saying things like maybe getting a white ethno-state will require bloodshed.

    I don’t agree with that, and I don’t want a lilly-white ethno-state. There’s a difference between not wanting to be taken over by incompatible people and wanting to purge every last ethnic minority.

    Who cares about a label? Jarod Taylor, Derb, etc ought to just stop using labels like alt-right and just broadcast their message.

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    It’s because of the Spencer-wing. “Alt-right” is in the process of getting re-branded as Nazi-nostalgia with visions of future Holocausts due to Spencer’s prediliction for saying things like maybe getting a white ethno-state will require bloodshed.

    I don’t agree with that . . . .
     
    Forced integration has produced plenty of bloodshed already, and the notion that the prospect of bloodshed is a reason to oppose the correction of that policy is silly.

    And the notion that such correction can be done without bloodshed is likewise silly; the bloodshed is happening already and will continue regardless of whether there is a successful attempt, a failed attempt, or no attempt at all to secure the natural right to self-government.
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  223. If anyone has missed them, the articles posted here on Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon are worth reading entirely. Very interesting

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  224. @Maj. Kong
    If we don't get major restrictions on immigration, I would not be surprised to see Jews victimized as occurred time after time in the Old World. The smoking gun is quite clearly in the hand of Cellar and Schumer.

    Of course, I suspect many in the Jewish community regard "victimization" as mere evangelistic persuasion. The peaceful sermon is apparently worse than the Cossack's boot.

    But to speak in the language of Cultural Marxism, the Jews have suffered the greatest cultural appropriation in the history of humanity. Both by St. Paul and later by Muhammad.

    Easier to cast yourself as the victim, rather than seek self-reflection and repudiate the Talmud.

    But to speak in the language of Cultural Marxism, the Jews have suffered the greatest cultural appropriation in the history of humanity. Both by St. Paul and later by Muhammad.

    The flip side of cultural appropriation is cultural influence.

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  225. Jack D says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    I said theoretically. I am as negative about the current MSM as anyone, but the current MSM is not equal to some form of independent media with a critical investigative ability.

    And theoretically Communism is a wonderful system where each person works to the best of his abilities and has all of his needs fulfilled. But the reality was drenched in blood and starvation. The real media has turned into “Democrat operatives with bylines”. They were literally coordinating their coverage with the Hillary campaign, feeding her debate questions, etc. They are not the watchdogs that you imagine. When a Democrat is in office they are lapdogs and when it comes to Republicans they are attack dogs. Maybe someday we could get back to a neutral press but the current organs all need to go out of business (most newspapers already have) and be rebuilt from the ground up as credible nonpartisan sources.

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    Maybe someday we could get back to a neutral press but the current organs all need to go out of business (most newspapers already have) and be rebuilt from the ground up as credible nonpartisan sources.
     
    Do you think this is likely to happen? I wish it would, but I am very pessimistic about the chances. If anything the trend seems to be towards a more biased and click-baity media. Do you have any recommendations for "credible nonpartisan sources"? At this point the best I am hoping for is to have attack dogs on both sides that minimize outright lying.
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  226. @The Practical Conservative
    Or you could pay a 17-25yo to do it so they could save up respectably for a real college degree and avoid student loan debt.

    When I was in school, the bus drivers were high school students. One day, a little girl dropped her lunch box in front of the bus, bent down to pick it up, and was lost to the driver’s view. He ran her over and killed her. I think of little Carolyn often. And the driver.

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    I was talking about driving normal cars, not school buses. Where I live that is what some kids do to save up for college or pay for the classes they are taking (pick up and drop off for middle class parents who both work), and nobody's run over any of their charges in the driveway with their Honda accord.

    Your story is sad and interesting, bus drivers have always been older (50+) women where I live now and where I was a schoolchild taking the bus.
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  227. @Chrisnonymous
    It's because of the Spencer-wing. "Alt-right" is in the process of getting re-branded as Nazi-nostalgia with visions of future Holocausts due to Spencer's prediliction for saying things like maybe getting a white ethno-state will require bloodshed.

    I don't agree with that, and I don't want a lilly-white ethno-state. There's a difference between not wanting to be taken over by incompatible people and wanting to purge every last ethnic minority.

    Who cares about a label? Jarod Taylor, Derb, etc ought to just stop using labels like alt-right and just broadcast their message.

    It’s because of the Spencer-wing. “Alt-right” is in the process of getting re-branded as Nazi-nostalgia with visions of future Holocausts due to Spencer’s prediliction for saying things like maybe getting a white ethno-state will require bloodshed.

    I don’t agree with that . . . .

    Forced integration has produced plenty of bloodshed already, and the notion that the prospect of bloodshed is a reason to oppose the correction of that policy is silly.

    And the notion that such correction can be done without bloodshed is likewise silly; the bloodshed is happening already and will continue regardless of whether there is a successful attempt, a failed attempt, or no attempt at all to secure the natural right to self-government.

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  228. J.Ross says: • Website

    I don’t know who “donut” really is, but he just happens to precisely follow patterns that became noxiously common on 4chan after David Brock’s Correct The Record paid trolls showed up.

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  229. Anonym says:
    @SFG
    Night of the Long Knives?

    Wait and see what he does. I suspect the vagueness of the term 'alt-right' will give him some wiggle room. I also suspect he will distance himself from Richard Spencer and his haircut while restricting immigration and, basically, giving you more of what you wanted than any traditional Republican or, God forbid, Democrat.

    Politicians make compromises. It's what they do.

    Politicians make compromises. It’s what they do.

    I suppose politicians will campaign for nomination one way, for the general election another, and rule a third way, as I’ve heard said.

    I still have faith that Trump will govern better than the alternative, but I am not happy about this turn of events. At least in the Night of the Long Knives Hitler managed to kill off the threats to his power. In this case there are several million alt-rightists still very much here – who weren’t threats to Trump.

    In part this is a shit test and white conservatives as a whole have a long history of failing them. If there is wiggle room, some clarification referring to the Nazi element of the alt-right would be a good idea, otherwise Trump has just disavowed natural conservatives, anti-GOPe people and general shitposters, along with soft WNs – those gentle people who are just sick the anti-White bias in Western society, sick of the PC.

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  230. @whorefinder
    "Victimization" is nothing more than a group finding justification in its own actions against others. It's been going on for thousands of years; every ethnic group in history has had one justification or another for its invasions, attacks, assaults, etc.

    The Left has benefited from the fact that it destroyed old white ethnic neighborhoods beginning in the 1950s. Scots-Irish communities in the South were torn apart by forced integration, while, in the North, busing and "urban renewal" projects and the Interstate Highway System hollowed out old Irish, Italian, Polish, and German enclaves.NAFTA was to finish the job by destroying one of the last ethnic ties: small local unions. Then the mop-up jobs would be removing symbols (Confederate flag) and basic celebrations (hostility to St. Patrick's Day celebrations that didn't have gay and black participants), while 3rd-world immigrants (Mexicans, Somalis, etc.) could be parachuted in to wedge out any remaining white ties.

    All the while blaming whitey for all the other groups' problems. And while the "whitey victimized me groups" have grown in political power---blacks took over the white house and Affirmative action is now sacred; you can't criticize middle eastern islam; etc.

    But what happened? Those dismembered white ethnicities suddenly decided that they didn't like this slow genocide, and have slowly begun a coalition, based on shared grievances with having their communities destroyed. Irish and Italian and Poles and Germans and Scandanavians have discovered that they share a lot more with each other than with the D's. And that new just screamed loudly in this election.

    Victimization politics, far from being a losing strategy, is actually base rationalization needed for a group to thrive.

    I think we mean different things by “victimization”.

    What you seem to be talking about is finding a legitimate casus belli. I think it is perfectly possible, and often right, to recognize that others have harmed you, wrongly, and that you have need to strike back, in some way. I think this is admirable.

    At the same time, I don’t find admirable the sense of “victimization” embraced by the “whitey victimized me groups” that have had political success. On a factual level, I agree with these groups, at least when it comes to blacks: lower-class blacks really are victimized by the elite. (Of course, the elite portrays them as the victims of the “racism” of lower-class whites.) But I find it pathetic that the “path to success” of an educated black person involves embracing the idea that nobody understands how hard it is to be a black person in American, etc.

    On a practical level, this sort of view may get some better material success, but at the cost of implicitly condeming others to lives of moral turpitude.

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  231. @Olorin
    Neo-progressivism, maybe.

    The old/original kind was very eugenic and very pro-white.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2015/03/being-progressive-yesterday-race.html

    In fact the original public health movement was grounded in concerns about what mass immigration was doing to the health of white families, particularly in population centers.

    Today’s progressivism is always at war with yesterday’s. “We have always been at war with Eastasia!” Or was it Eurasia?

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  232. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    CNN actually showed a picture of the bus driver in the TN crash. Perhaps there are already subtle changes in Trump's America.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/us/tennessee-chattanooga-school-bus-accident/

    File under: yet another thing to worry about. Have you seen your kids' bus driver lately? What a pain it would be to drive my kids to school, but I'd have NO CHOICE if their bus driver looked like that. Ugh.

    Bus drivers are yet another reason to homeschool.

    I read in some periodical that 90% of British pupils are driven to school by their parents. That number seems high even for the most isolated US exurb. Is this post-Dunblane paranoia? Daily Mail subscriptions?

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    Homeschool is a false idol that too many people cling to, often with disastrous results (if illiterate and innumerate is disastrous) instead of things like carpools and paying fellow mostly-whitey's teenagers and college kids to help out. You know, what we had as little as 20 years ago.
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  233. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    From Douthat's Column:

    Without getting into details, Trump professed to have an open mind about climate change, made a passing reference to making an immigration deal that we (meaning my more-liberal-on-immigration-than-myself colleagues) would find surprisingly congenial.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/the-trump-revelations.html

     

    YIKES! I really hopes he comes around, he wavered on immigration before, but then he gave that solid speech in Arizona. I really hope he doesn't sell us out on this. :(

    That’s pretty disturbing. But if Sessions and Kobach are going to be in the administration how weak on immigration can it get?

    He really does seem to thirst for the approval of the NYTimes as much as his voters’: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/271187-new-york-times-refusing-to-release-off-the-record-tape-of-trump-on

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/business/media/donald-trump-new-york-times.html

    Three people with knowledge of Mr. Trump’s deliberations said that Reince Priebus, the incoming White House chief of staff, had tried to scuttle the meeting at The Times by telling Mr. Trump, erroneously, that the newspaper was shifting its terms.

    Mr. Priebus had been among those urging the president-elect to cancel his interview because he could face questions he might not be prepared to answer, these people said. (A spokesman for Mr. Trump declined to comment on Mr. Priebus’s role.)

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  234. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am currently working part-time, consulting in the Public Health Department of a large eastern state. I am involved with analyses to develop policy initiatives for one of the state's most lethal "new" public health problems: deaths from opioid overdoses. Actually this problem has been fermenting for decades. It started with accelerating rates of opioid addiction in economically devastated cities and towns that were once thriving. It has spread throughout the entire state. But it is almost entirely concentrated in the White population. This is obvious from the statistics. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it is also concentrated among those Whites whose economic future is bleak at best, no matter what their past income, their past career, their skill level or educational attainment, or their social class.

    It is impossible to address the problem without acknowledging these facts. Yet when I bring them up in the few administrative level situations where I am allowed a voice, my mention of the obvious is treated as if I emitted a loud and very smelly fart. There is an embarrassed silence, a few smirks and many more sneers, and then the discussion returns to useless band-aids that utterly fail to address the causes of the epidemic; public health measures equivalent to the medieval burning of incense to counter the Black Plague.

    Needless to say the Department was overwhelmingly for Clinton and bunches of women were seen embracing and crying in the rest rooms the day after the election. Believe it or not, the Commissioner even spent the days following the election moving from floor to floor and personally soothing the distraught employees.

    We have been actively destroying the middle class life we once amazingly offered to the working class, through open immigration and “free” trade, while charlatans and frauds soothingly numbed us by whispering that this change was “inevitable” and those policies produced a “net” benefit, as if the creation of a multi-billionaire donor class and importation of cheap junk made in China made up for it all.

    And how could I forget that even most government jobs are now reserved for a class of useless bureaucrat social justice warriors and time servers, who are crying over a losing corrupt political hack instead of at least the people they are condemning.

    And even for those men still at work there is always the fear that this billionaire class (with full corrupt cooperation of that bureaucracy) will replace you with a foreign visa holder. So working hours are added and worked out of fear. And the SJWs will gladly tell those men the foreigners deserve those jobs – why they have a better education – after all they didn’t go to our dysfunctional public schools.

    And so we have a class whose life won’t be as good father’s. And the one chance they had to protest – their vote – that was cancelled out when they gave the vote to someone whose parents came from Pakistan illegally 18 years ago.

    Is it any wonder drug use is up? My god, I’m shocked it isn’t up even higher. It isnt suicide, it’s murder. I literally pray Trump can turn this around.

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  235. @utu
    "I think it will be disastrous if working class whites embrace “victimization” as the path to success. It hasn’t actually worked for anyone." - For Jews it worked but perhaps it was just a stratagem as they never have been victimized here in the US.

    For some Jews it “works”, but I think they’re pathetic. Figuring out the best strategy to game the system doesn’t impress me. At the same time, I think some of the best Jews are some of the best humans.

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  236. @Alec Leamas
    We tend not to make a critical distinction with regard to leftist coastal elitism. People born to wealth and privilege in Manhattan or Los Angeles generally have little interest in the white working class/badwhites either way - they tend to be self-involved and interested in their own spheres of influence. It's the whites who believe that they've elevated their status in moving to coastal cities from places populated by badwhites who are the most anxious about their new status - it's much more an Oedipal/Patricide thing than it is a coherent politics.

    Good points here, and from the other replies so far to this comment.

    It does seem that the cultural authority of the “real” Manhattan/LA elites is in a state of ongoing collapse. I don’t know what this portends.

    In my own experience, it does seem that those who think they have considerably “upgraded” their status are the most vociferous culture warriors.

    There does seem to be a curious middle ground here. My own background is in technocratic suburbia. I certainly never identified as either “working class” or “elite”. I did not wish to be a technocrat, and at times in the past embraced various forms of SJW idealism.

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  237. @ben tillman
    When I was in school, the bus drivers were high school students. One day, a little girl dropped her lunch box in front of the bus, bent down to pick it up, and was lost to the driver's view. He ran her over and killed her. I think of little Carolyn often. And the driver.

    I was talking about driving normal cars, not school buses. Where I live that is what some kids do to save up for college or pay for the classes they are taking (pick up and drop off for middle class parents who both work), and nobody’s run over any of their charges in the driveway with their Honda accord.

    Your story is sad and interesting, bus drivers have always been older (50+) women where I live now and where I was a schoolchild taking the bus.

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  238. @Reg Cæsar
    Bus drivers are yet another reason to homeschool.

    I read in some periodical that 90% of British pupils are driven to school by their parents. That number seems high even for the most isolated US exurb. Is this post-Dunblane paranoia? Daily Mail subscriptions?

    Homeschool is a false idol that too many people cling to, often with disastrous results (if illiterate and innumerate is disastrous) instead of things like carpools and paying fellow mostly-whitey’s teenagers and college kids to help out. You know, what we had as little as 20 years ago.

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  239. @Jack D
    If working class whites have embraced victimization it is only out of desperation and because in modern America you get Pokemon points based on where you are on the victim scale - if you don't rate any victim points then no one is interested in helping you.

    All these folks really wanted was a decent day's pay in return for a decent day's work. They had a tolerable setup working at the local widget factory - it was hard work and boring but you did what you had to do to provide for your family. But then some genius decided that we should embrace globalization and add 5 cents a share to his employer's quarterly earnings by moving his factory to China or Mexico. Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer (not that foreigners haven't taken those jobs too) or starting their own business. A government that loved its own people would have done something to keep the widget factory from closing - imposed tariffs on imported widgets or at least not made the factory owner's life miserable with endless regulations and AA mandates, etc. In most cases, these were not "sunset industries". Carrier or Nabisco or whomever were still making and selling the same air conditioners and cookies, etc. , they were just going to make them cheaper in Mexico. They would literally pick up the factory and move it across the border and make the same thing for cheaper and pocket the difference. They would sell their product to Americans for dollars but employ Mexicans and pay them pesos. What sane government would permit this?

    But our government really didn't give a damn about these folks. Even though the government interferes in the market in every way shape and form, when it came to them suddenly they were free marketers and they were on their own.

    “Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer…”

    I think this is absolutely true. Some probably are more capable of this than they realize, while others don’t get that you actually have to be good at some things, and machines don’t respect your feelings.

    But what then? Suppose you know you got screwed by globalist elites, and you haven’t the slightest clue of the difference between java and javascript?

    Whatever the government has done wrong, I still think it is crucial to examine how you yourself might do things differently, and I think it is one of the worst “achievements” of the current SJW regime to inculcate a different attitude.

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    Anyone is capable of being retrained as a software tester. And we can always have more redundant testers (if we need makework jobs for people, which we do). We should consider forcing Silicon Valley to hire people who were globalized out of a job as QA. Bonus, it can be done remotely from low cost rural areas where the victims already love, no need to relocate to $&$$$ Palo Alto.
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  240. It’s all about latinos, blacks, muslims and women now. Native Americans don’t seem to matter much anymore. Maybe the left considers them surplus to requirements, demographically unuseful; a dying breed, precursor to white decline. The Young Turks (yes, I know) have been complaining that the Standing Rock protest has been getting very little mainstream press and I wonder if the Native American angle makes it unpalatible. However, it may now get more attention since a protester had her arm amputated as a result of injuries caused by being hit with a gas grenade.

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    Why Native Americans do not get any play? Because their issue are the real ones because they concern land, power, empire while race and gender issues are all BS so they can play them any way they want. Issues of Native Americans can lead us to question Palestinian-Israel conflict, the wars for the Empire... While Blacks, Mexicans, gay and lesbians are being groomed to be the troopers in the wars for the Empire.
    , @Olorin
    Don't worry. I understand that mestizo Latinos are about to be redefined as Native Americans.
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  241. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AndrewR
    The idea that "rural America" has "waged a war" against books and the ocean is so bizarre that I don't even know how to respond.


    As for people who like foreigners, among whom I kind of count myself (I obviously don't like all coreigners equally), I would suggest actually going to foreign countries instead of opening up our borders.

    I have friends I love to visit but whom I'd never want to live with.

    They’re projecting their own anti-white hatred – everything is reversed.

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  242. ATBOTL says:

    The lifestyle of many flyover country, non-affluent white Americans is shockingly unhealthy and it’s gotten way worse over the last generation.

    In many of these places, it seems like everyone is overweight and most adult women are obese. Many children are obese. Some children aren’t round yet, but have a layer fat making them look soft and frog like. Men are fat, but weak with flabby arms and stick like legs. Those who are not overweight are often sickly thin, like AIDS patient in the 80′s.

    A trip to the Walmart grocery section will show carts filled only with processed foods, largely junk like cookies, soda and candy. Fast food restaurants are everywhere, easily 3 times as many as there were in the same areas 25 years ago(that’s true in the affluent metro area I live in too). People can be seen munching on high calorie snacks and drinks at all times. Such snacks are now sold in almost every kind of store, even hardware super centers.

    People only walk in between buildings and their trucks and when filling up their huge shopping carts with bulbous 3 liter sodas and packs of Oreos. Often the walking is slow and labored. Recreation is often driving various motor vehicles other than one’s usual truck. Bicycles are not seen. Parks are empty.

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    they're being poisoned with high fructose corn syrup
    , @utu
    You paint an accurate picture of places I saw in Midwest. Those white Americans (also black and brown) when you observe them do not evoke any feelings of empathy or sympathy. They are fat and ugly. You want to think that they deserve all what they get and die fat, stupid and ugly. But this kind of thinking mistakes symptoms for causes. Will they wake up or just be induced into another long sleep where the only activity besides eating and shitting is occasional flag waving?
    , @anonguy

    The lifestyle of many flyover country, non-affluent white Americans is shockingly unhealthy and it’s gotten way worse over the last generation.
     
    This has been the most shocking trend of my life, all this obesity and everywhere. I spend a fair amount of time outside the U.S. in the Far East and it is always a cultural shock coming back.

    And it isn't only in the flyover areas, most Americans just notice it more there compared to the more hip cosmopolitan places, but believe me, the epidemic of obesity is absolutely in evidence everywhere if you get yourself calibrated to other standards.


    Often the walking is slow and labored.
     
    I see this all the time, people in their 20s/30s, how literally disabled they are, unable to get their bags into overheads or even just move about with any degree of facility and grace. IMO, there is no other way to view this obesity epidemic as anything other than a form of self-mutilation resulting from spiritual deprivation.

    I find it utterly horrifying and a symptom of our system's inability to give people anything to believe in other than the material.

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  243. Jefferson says:
    @attilathehen
    Ah, Jefferson, the Semitophile who once criticized me for criticizing the Afro-Asian Jewish tribe. You said they were the elite, the 1% - but you refused to accept Carol Thatcher (Margaret Thatcher's daughter) as white, because her DNA was 25% North African (Caucasian).

    ‘Ah, Jefferson, the Semitophile who once criticized me for criticizing the Afro-Asian Jewish tribe. You said they were the elite, the 1% – but you refused to accept Carol Thatcher (Margaret Thatcher’s daughter) as white, because her DNA was 25% North African (Caucasian).”

    North Africans are more likely than Jews to have some Sub Saharan African Negroid admixture, that’s why I find it extremely weird that you see North Africans as Whiter than Jews.

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  244. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sunbeam
    "I remember the brouhaha over gay rent boys in the white house in the Reagan Bush years, and the cluster of gay overnighters during the Bush Cheney years a faux journo with real press credentials."

    Yeah. I remember the Mooney Times put out that thing about the pedos. Guess someone sent a message, it was received, then back down the memory hole.

    Was a front pager too in Washington if I remember correctly. Funny how stuff like that goes away.

    The Jeff Gannon thing (is he now hooked up with the second most closeted case after Lindsay Graham, Karl Rove?) was tailor made to blow up into a media feeding frenzy.

    It had everything. Absolutely everything. Could have been the Casey Anthony, Anna Nicole Smith, Jon Benet Ramsey cases rolled into one, with a touch of Watergate to pique the serious ones in media.

    But nothing. Total silence.

    These media events don't arise spontaneously. They are endlessly promoted in the media. Some event happens somewhere, one with some hooks and meat to it. And they start a marketing campaign.

    Unless the people who own the media companies say:

    "Nah, not this one. Something else will come along, you can count on that in a country of this size. So even though this one is a hanging meatball over the plate, just waiting to get launched over the fence in a mammoth home run, we're passing.

    What? Our competitors are going to run with the story? HA HA HA HA!"

    Personally I thought the LIBOR story was a bigger deal than the housing bubble. But nothing.

    Good god, bond traders make and lose freaking fortunes based on how interest rates go. So many things like ARM's are tied to the rates. I'd wager a guess that the money that changed hands while this thing was going on (and is it still going on frankly?) is greater than the housing bubble (if someone bothered to do the accounting).

    Yet nothing. Like it never happened.

    Basically Goldman Sachs and some other vested entities could decide WHAT they wanted the LIBOR rate to be, and that affected all the other things inexplicably tied to what rate a group of UK banks set.

    No wonder those bastards are rich. And our genius media, "Speaking Truth to Power," wasn't even vaguely interested?

    The parasitic banking mafia own the media – the media act as a public relations agency for the parasitic banking mafia.

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  245. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D
    In particular, non-college whites. The smarter fraction in places like upstate NY go, if not to the Ivies, then at least to the nearest state university and after college they join the hordes in Brooklyn or SF (or at least get a job in the govt bureaucracy or they have a family business they can return to). Even the smarter fraction of the blue collar whites do OK as skilled tradesmen in construction/home repair, etc. (often actually better than college whites with jobs at Starbucks) and can relocate to areas where the pay is better.

    But if you are a non-college white without a lot of skills, there's literally no place for you in Palo Alto or Cambridge - you can't even dream of moving there. To be honest, these folks were always kind of lusers, but back in the day they could get a job working in the local wallboard factory and as long as they showed up not too drunk most days they would be OK - it wasn't great and maybe you'd get silicosis but at least it was a steady paycheck. But now even that's gone and these folks are really stuck, addicted to pills and trying to make a living out of disability scams and part time work at Wal-Mart.

    What is really pathetic is the differential attitude in the Democrat party toward the black and white underclasses. In the case of the blacks, their dysfunction is either ignored (black on black crime) or else treated as something that is society's fault and must be corrected by endless government assistance. But when it comes to poor whites, they are still somehow the beneficiaries of "white privilege" and if they are dysfunctional it's their own damn fault and the party is not interested in helping them out - they would prefer if they would just hurry up and die.

    By definition, half of the population is going to be on the left side of the bell curve. In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.

    In the past these folks were useful as agricultural labor and then as industrial labor, but in the new post modern economy there is literally no place for them.

    Completely untrue.

    They were *displaced* from their place by cheaper illegal immigrants.

    Their place was taken from them for the benefit of a pack of greedy parasites.

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  246. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @David
    Mostly off topic: Thomas Friedman on WBUR's On Point this morning said regarding Americans voting for Trump hoping to keep jobs in America and coal mines open, "If horses could vote, we would still have carriages." Americans who voted for Trump are the horses in Mr Friedman's analogy.

    No contempt there, just deploring Boxer again.

    Obvious nonsense
    - mass immigration is a choice
    - off-shoring is a choice

    off-shoring in particular required numerous steps by a small pack of greedy parasites to make it possible
    - share holder value
    - making hostile takeovers easier
    - junk bonds
    - “free trade” agreements

    all of those things were done by the pack of greedy parasites and all of them were needed to force corporations to off-shore or risk being taken over

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  247. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @anony-mouse
    '... Right...'

    Wrong.

    You can go to Hawaii with an unemployment rate of 3.3%, which BTW is less than half that of Alaska. And even if you go to Hawaii and can't get a job it beats not having a job in Garbutt.

    On the other end of things there's the Dakotas which have been having a low unemployment rate right through the period of the 'White Death'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate

    Dakotas don't appear to have too many immigrants either: http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/foreign-born-population-percent#chart

    On the other end of things there’s the Dakotas which have been having a low unemployment rate right through the period of the ‘White Death’.

    the Dakotas are a low spot in the White Death suicide map (created by the pack of greedy parasites who i assume includes you)

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    You are right bringing up "the pack of greedy parasites ". We are being taught and told that greed is good and part of being human nature and must go along with it... The pack of greedy parasite took over the narrative so we think there are no alternatives.
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  248. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @attilathehen
    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up. Just say no to drugs - illegal ones like pot, coke, heroin and legal drugs such as "happy pills - Zoloft, Prozac, etc." Men stay away from porn. Develop as many intellectual and technical skills as you can. This will help in rebuilding communities.

    Caucasian Christians need to toughen up

    and have a revolution that chases the banking mafia into the sea – agreed.

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  249. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    From Douthat's Column:

    Without getting into details, Trump professed to have an open mind about climate change, made a passing reference to making an immigration deal that we (meaning my more-liberal-on-immigration-than-myself colleagues) would find surprisingly congenial.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/the-trump-revelations.html

     

    YIKES! I really hopes he comes around, he wavered on immigration before, but then he gave that solid speech in Arizona. I really hope he doesn't sell us out on this. :(

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  250. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Tman
    This graph doesn't have anything to do with the recent uptick in mortality, which is too small to register. Instead it's mostly a proxy for how old and obese people are.

    Lie

    24% increase in suicide rate concentrated in rustbelt areas

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  251. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @reiner Tor
    1) You don't know what's good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a "real Nazi" looks like, or whatever. I would've thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn't.

    2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he'll get 40% of the black vote. That's outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters. Who didn't vote for him in high numbers. He's yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he's not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy.

    So he needs to be watched, and especially now that he's won, we shouldn't be attacking people to the right of him for using whatever publicity lifeline the media is giving them. It's not going to hurt Trump's election chances over 200 weeks from now.

    imo

    alt-right people should focus on pushing the window to the right so people like Bannon can move the center ground but this means by definition we will almost always be beyond the pale.

    Spencer has helped a lot with that window pushing but i think he’s frustrated with it and wants to be doing practical politics but it’s too soon.

    Regardless, the Trumpenfirer should never kow tow to the media for any reason – not kow towing to the hated media is his biggest selling point.

    The media are inciting violence against Trump supporters with their race hoaxes so has the perfect ammunition to attack them with.

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  252. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @MatrixD
    Ironically, these counties have been falling into disarray over the same 20 year period that their voting patterns changed from Democrat to Republican. In other words, Republican governance at the local level, at the county level, and at the state level. But a Democrat in charge at the federal level who apparently is responsible for all the catastrophes.

    Yes – mass immigration and off-shoring is decided at the national level.

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    The jobs of West Virginians haven't been affected by either.
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  253. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonym
    OT: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/22/donald-trump-disavow-alt-right-groups/

    I'm disappointed in this. I didn't vote for virtue signalling or political correctness, and neither did millions of other white people who find a home in the alt-right and voted Trump. If Trump was going to disavow us, he should have done it prior to the election. A disavowal is hard to reconcile with this:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801029194906038272

    as a practical thing it doesn’t matter if the alt-right is disavowed as the role is to be beyond the pale – if they weren’t waging cultural warfare from the right edge of the Overton window they couldn’t move it

    on the other hand Trump shouldn’t ever bend the knee to the media on any issue as a matter of principle

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  254. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    "While I agree that Trump shouldn’t play the press’s 'will you denounce him?' game (they want him to denounce everyone to the right of Bernie Sanders), no good can come of Spencer."

    LOL.

    Spencer was 'larping'.

    He gave a very good speech, and he trolled the media at the end with 'Hail Victory'.

    Media say Alt Right is 'neo-nazi', so he played the part. But 'Hail' salutes have a long pedigree in European history. It's not only a nazi thing.

    There is much more to him, and the speech speaks for itself. It was not a mindless neo-nazi speech.

    Another thing. Spencer isn't about diplomacy. He will never be in the power structure.
    He wants to play a vanguard role, and that is always dangerous and edgy because you have to look beyond what is permissible.

    Also, Spencer knows the value of notoriety. If he'd just made the speech, it would have been ignored. But because of his salute, he got the attention, and more people will be aware of NPI and the speech he gave.

    Trump and Bannon need to distance themselves from Spencer, but we need people like Spencer to say what cannot be said.

    And if media are okay with self-professed communists like Cornel West and Van Jones making regular appearances on TV, then they have no moral credibility in bitching about 'extremism' on the Right.

    But because of his salute, he got the attention, and more people will be aware of NPI and the speech he gave.

    He didn’t salute – he raised a glass which looked like a salute – which was good trolling.

    Trump and Bannon need to distance themselves from Spencer, but we need people like Spencer to say what cannot be said.

    Exactly.

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  255. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @German_reader
    "Besides, if there’s a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he’s saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him."

    I'm not American, but judging from Spencer's (now deleted) Twitter account the man's a deluded idiot who will never lead a "movement". I'm pretty far to the right myself and have some sympathy for identitarianism but some of Spencer's statements are so over the top it's hilarious. "I want a white empire in the northern hemisphere with global power projection capabilities"...things like this are just silly.

    “I want a white empire in the northern hemisphere with global power projection capabilities”…things like this are just silly.

    Leaving aside the word empire the simple fact is the global north is more prosperous for genetic reasons and if that isn’t preserved both north and south are doomed.

    If globalists succeed in eradicating White people that still leaves east Asians for now but the globalists would destroy them next.

    I’m pretty far to the right myself and have some sympathy for identitarianism

    You’re not right at all unless you understand and accept identitarianism.

    There’s no excuse not to accept genetics – it’s like having a political ideology that doesn’t accept gravity.

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  256. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Epiphany: Clinton might have won had she aggressively raised Trump University. Her failure to raise in any of the debates the character issue (Trump as swindler of working-class people) was, it seems likely, quid pro quo for Trump not prosecuting her (as we learned today). [I'm personally outraged that Trump scored the cheap debate point "You'll be in jail, when it was a lie.]

    [A similar quid pro quo was exposed between Clinton and Sanders in the leaked email.]

    She probably doesn’t have long to live.

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  257. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @ATBOTL
    The lifestyle of many flyover country, non-affluent white Americans is shockingly unhealthy and it's gotten way worse over the last generation.

    In many of these places, it seems like everyone is overweight and most adult women are obese. Many children are obese. Some children aren't round yet, but have a layer fat making them look soft and frog like. Men are fat, but weak with flabby arms and stick like legs. Those who are not overweight are often sickly thin, like AIDS patient in the 80's.

    A trip to the Walmart grocery section will show carts filled only with processed foods, largely junk like cookies, soda and candy. Fast food restaurants are everywhere, easily 3 times as many as there were in the same areas 25 years ago(that's true in the affluent metro area I live in too). People can be seen munching on high calorie snacks and drinks at all times. Such snacks are now sold in almost every kind of store, even hardware super centers.

    People only walk in between buildings and their trucks and when filling up their huge shopping carts with bulbous 3 liter sodas and packs of Oreos. Often the walking is slow and labored. Recreation is often driving various motor vehicles other than one's usual truck. Bicycles are not seen. Parks are empty.

    they’re being poisoned with high fructose corn syrup

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  258. @Bdbs
    Jobbik gets 25 percent of the vote? That's what you call fringe? Even the nazis had difficulty breaking past 35 period the vote in 1932, and Jobbik actually gets the same proportion of votes in the countryside and Budapest, which is the Hungarian equivalent of Nyc, Jobbik actually is the most popular party among the youth and gets a lot of support from the universities, which is why I think that WN actually has a fighting chance among white millenials and white millenial college students, and Greece's Golden Dawn is getting 10 percent of the vote and is a literal Nazi party, I mean can you imagine a literal Nazi getting 10 percent of the American vote? Plus AFD in Germany may get as high as 15 percent or more, and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.

    “and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.”

    Neither did Frauke Petry, the whole “shoot illegal immigrants at the border” controvery was made up by the German media, total nonsense. Petry walked into a trap during an interview (and has an unfortunate tendency for needless provokation at times), but the AfD most certainly isn’t a thuggish fascist party like Golden Dawn. Don’t believe everything the media tells you.

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  259. @Bdbs
    Jobbik gets 25 percent of the vote? That's what you call fringe? Even the nazis had difficulty breaking past 35 period the vote in 1932, and Jobbik actually gets the same proportion of votes in the countryside and Budapest, which is the Hungarian equivalent of Nyc, Jobbik actually is the most popular party among the youth and gets a lot of support from the universities, which is why I think that WN actually has a fighting chance among white millenials and white millenial college students, and Greece's Golden Dawn is getting 10 percent of the vote and is a literal Nazi party, I mean can you imagine a literal Nazi getting 10 percent of the American vote? Plus AFD in Germany may get as high as 15 percent or more, and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.

    “and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.”

    Neither did Frauke Petry, the whole “shoot illegal immigrants at the border” controversy was made up by the German media, total nonsense. Petry walked into a trap during an interview (and has an unfortunate tendency for needless provokation at times), but the AfD most certainly isn’t a thuggish fascist party like Golden Dawn. Don’t believe everything the media tells you.

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  260. Hhsiii says:
    @Anon87
    I hope you went to the brewery. Best view of the city from there, looking at the falls. Overall the city needs more good paying jobs other than service/education.

    I did. I grew up on Genny Cream Ale. The pub was good. Nice setting with the falls there.

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  261. @AndrewR
    Thats rude

    Thats rude

    You play with that particular fire, you will still get burned.

    There is an anti-anti-white consensus. It does not follow that there is a white nationalist consensus.

    The energy is on the local level. National is closer to local than global is, but don’t get cocky.

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  262. @iffen
    we shouldn’t be attacking people to the right of him

    Who is this "we", kemo sabe?

    alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn't even work that well with educated white women.

    Who is this “we”, kemo sabe?

    lol

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn’t even work that well with educated white women.

    Yes. So how do you know that some LARPing Nazis like Spencer are hurting Trump or not? (I’m not sure Spencer is a LARPing Nazi. Honestly I read very little from him, and what I read wasn’t really Nazi-ish, but I could be wrong. I also don’t know much about those Roman salutes at NPI, except having seen a picture of an Asian reality trash celebrity – who had previously been unknown to me – with two white guys making it, probably while drunk.)

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    hurting Trump or not

    This is just speculation, not sure how we could get at it definitively. I don't believe that many people inclined to support the Republican candidate bought into the MSM push that Trump was bringing in Nazism. Certainly many of the snowflakes on the left bought into the idea. I was afraid of the tendency of women to shy away from conflict and that would affect enough of educated Republican women to lose Trump some votes. Not that they bought into the idea that he was pushing Nazism, just that they wanted the controversy to go away.

    He’s yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump didn't thank his white supporters because he didn't run an identity based campaign; that was what Clinton did. Blacks and others are to be congratulated for seeing past and ignoring appeals based solely on race and ethnicity, most whites already do this.
    , @iffen
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/18/trump_won_on_the_issues_132383.html
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  263. @utu
    "Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks"

    Bannon does not talk about reaching out to Blacks. He just expects that if his economic policies work Blacks will support it. Reaching out to Blacks means pandering to their racial issue. Bannon does not pander to Blacks.

    "Trump is probably well to the left of Steve, and he’s not really trying to implement the Sailer Strategy."

    What is Sailer Strategy?

    In any event Trump never specifically thanked his white supporters (by far the biggest group of his supporters), while having thanked his black and Latino supporters.

    I actually don’t expect blacks to vote Republican, because in my experience race trumps economic interests (and anything else) for most humans, with the exception of whites (but maybe even whites are no exceptions when they are a minority).

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    "I actually don’t expect blacks to vote Republican, because in my experience race trumps economic interests " - Race often is used to derail any unifying force that threatens the TBTB. If it appears to you (your experience?) that race trumps economic interests it is only because it was played that way by TPTB. It does not have to be that way. The message on the economic benefits must be clear to be understood and people must be educated on the possible angle their racial thinking will be used to derail the unification by TPTB and undermine their interest.
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  264. utu says:
    @Jeremiah Bullfrog
    It's all about latinos, blacks, muslims and women now. Native Americans don't seem to matter much anymore. Maybe the left considers them surplus to requirements, demographically unuseful; a dying breed, precursor to white decline. The Young Turks (yes, I know) have been complaining that the Standing Rock protest has been getting very little mainstream press and I wonder if the Native American angle makes it unpalatible. However, it may now get more attention since a protester had her arm amputated as a result of injuries caused by being hit with a gas grenade.

    Why Native Americans do not get any play? Because their issue are the real ones because they concern land, power, empire while race and gender issues are all BS so they can play them any way they want. Issues of Native Americans can lead us to question Palestinian-Israel conflict, the wars for the Empire… While Blacks, Mexicans, gay and lesbians are being groomed to be the troopers in the wars for the Empire.

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  265. @German_reader
    "Besides, if there’s a movement to the right of Bannon, it keeps Trump on his toes, because whatever he’s saying, he might think this Spencer might have some effect, and he might need the votes of those who might listen to him."

    I'm not American, but judging from Spencer's (now deleted) Twitter account the man's a deluded idiot who will never lead a "movement". I'm pretty far to the right myself and have some sympathy for identitarianism but some of Spencer's statements are so over the top it's hilarious. "I want a white empire in the northern hemisphere with global power projection capabilities"...things like this are just silly.

    Then Spencer is irrelevant. Why spend energies attacking him? If you should be attacking anyone in this whole story, it should be the media who give him publicity, not Spencer.

    Either Spencer is relevant and will lead a movement (or someone similar will do that), in which case it can be useful (but then don’t attack him), or he won’t, in which case he’s irrelevant (and why waste time and energy denouncing him).

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    His only relevance is that the media will use him to attack and discredit any right-wing/nationalist movement. Apart from that he's a joke.
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  266. utu says:
    @anon

    On the other end of things there’s the Dakotas which have been having a low unemployment rate right through the period of the ‘White Death’.
     
    the Dakotas are a low spot in the White Death suicide map (created by the pack of greedy parasites who i assume includes you)

    You are right bringing up “the pack of greedy parasites “. We are being taught and told that greed is good and part of being human nature and must go along with it… The pack of greedy parasite took over the narrative so we think there are no alternatives.

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  267. utu says:
    @ATBOTL
    The lifestyle of many flyover country, non-affluent white Americans is shockingly unhealthy and it's gotten way worse over the last generation.

    In many of these places, it seems like everyone is overweight and most adult women are obese. Many children are obese. Some children aren't round yet, but have a layer fat making them look soft and frog like. Men are fat, but weak with flabby arms and stick like legs. Those who are not overweight are often sickly thin, like AIDS patient in the 80's.

    A trip to the Walmart grocery section will show carts filled only with processed foods, largely junk like cookies, soda and candy. Fast food restaurants are everywhere, easily 3 times as many as there were in the same areas 25 years ago(that's true in the affluent metro area I live in too). People can be seen munching on high calorie snacks and drinks at all times. Such snacks are now sold in almost every kind of store, even hardware super centers.

    People only walk in between buildings and their trucks and when filling up their huge shopping carts with bulbous 3 liter sodas and packs of Oreos. Often the walking is slow and labored. Recreation is often driving various motor vehicles other than one's usual truck. Bicycles are not seen. Parks are empty.

    You paint an accurate picture of places I saw in Midwest. Those white Americans (also black and brown) when you observe them do not evoke any feelings of empathy or sympathy. They are fat and ugly. You want to think that they deserve all what they get and die fat, stupid and ugly. But this kind of thinking mistakes symptoms for causes. Will they wake up or just be induced into another long sleep where the only activity besides eating and shitting is occasional flag waving?

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  268. @keypusher
    Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. Also, Trump has already thanked his black and Hispanic and minority supporters.

    As I recall, he said that Trump succeeded they'd get 60% of the white vote and 40% of the black vote and rule for 50 years. 40% of blacks doesn't sound terribly plausible to me either. But if I was trying to get my share of the white vote up to, say 65%, I'd probably say something like that, because I'd have to pull in a lot of goodwhites who would rather die than vote for a white party.

    Bannon and Trump are playing the game of electoral politics, and that requires a lot of minority outreach in this country, both to get whatever minority votes you can and to reassure the more liberal whites in your coalition.

    You can't count on winning the election with 47% of the vote/low turnout every time. You only get to run against HRC once.

    I agree with most of what you wrote, but he could’ve thanked his white supporters, if he did specifically thank his numerically small black and Hispanic voters. It’s not going to hurt his re-election chances 200 weeks from now.

    In any event, whatever Bannon thinks, he needs something to the right of him for many reasons. One is to position himself as center, another is so that he won’t deviate to the left too much, another so that the media would spend less time attacking him and instead attacking those others, etc.

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    "whatever Bannon thinks, he needs something to the right of him for many reasons. " - You are correct. The presence of Jobbik was good for Orban.
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  269. @anonymous

    1) You don’t know what’s good for Trump. Maybe Spencer helps by pushing the Overton window, or by showing people how a “real Nazi” looks like, or whatever. I would’ve thought the alt right memes often hurt Trump, but maybe they didn’t.
     
    I'll grant that it's a *possibility* but I think there is a miniscule chance that this actually makes Nazism cool instead of hurting Trump and people associated with Spencer. Do you really think otherwise?

    "Shifting the Overton Window" is the "Structural Racism" of the alrtight. Everything can be explained by it.

    How could this hurt Trump? I fail to see. The media will spend a lot of time promoting Spencer, and then… what will happen? Will people see Spencer even scarier than David Duke? Or what?

    Again, in Hungary Jobbik even created a LARPing clown “paramilitary” organization (it might not be so scary to Americans with their militias, but in Hungary this weaponless “paramilitary”, with uniforms looking like folk dancer parody outfits, and the”soldiers” being a mixture of skinny guys, fat guys, old guys, and women, were considered to be scary) and I had thought it’d hurt both Orbán and Jobbik – turned out, it hurt neither. Actually, some groups to the right of Jobbik created some smaller “paramilitaries” (and occasionally with real weapons) as well. It didn’t hurt Orbán or Jobbik, though most people (including me, and including the leftist media who gave publicity to this, and the leftist government who allowed this to happen as part of their anti-right-wing scaremongering tactics) thought it would.

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  270. @Sunbeam
    "2) You need to criticize Trump to keep him in the line. Bannon is totally delusional in that he thinks Trump should reach out to blacks and then he’ll get 40% of the black vote. That’s outright idiotic. "

    Are you American? I mean with a handle like reiner Tor.

    Because you really don't seem to be very knowledgeable about things that are common knowledge in the US. The pertinent one in this case that American blacks are not in favor of immigration, have been hurt by it at least as much as Rust Belt whites and West Coast programmers, that the Democratic Party, regardless of stated commitment to the welfare state, effectively follows policies that hurt blacks as surely as it does white plumbers in Mississippi.

    Did you know that blacks in general are as skeptical of US foreign policy as anyone on this site?

    It's not unreasonable at all to speculate that a nationalistic, populist sort of Republican party could get 40% of the black vote. A Republican party that isn't hell bent on open borders, mass immigration, destroying Social Security... well at at point a lot of them will perceive their personal interests are best served by voting Republican.

    The party of Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor isn't getting that vote. What Bannon and Donald Trump could turn it into just might.

    I’m not American.

    American blacks are not in favor of immigration, have been hurt by it at least as much as Rust Belt whites and West Coast programmers, that the Democratic Party, regardless of stated commitment to the welfare state, effectively follows policies that hurt blacks as surely as it does white plumbers in Mississippi.

    They still have a racial hatred of whites, and race and hate always trump economic interests etc. Yes, immigration hurts blacks, but blacks have consistently voted for pro-immigration candidates for decades.

    Did you know that blacks in general are as skeptical of US foreign policy as anyone on this site?

    I did know.

    It’s not unreasonable at all to speculate that a nationalistic, populist sort of Republican party could get 40% of the black vote.

    It is. Race and racial hatred trump economic interests, and they hate whitey. Whites sold them to slavery! You’d need decades of a concerted educational effort (with pro-white or at least not explicitly anti-white teachers) to change that.

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  271. @Bdbs
    Jobbik gets 25 percent of the vote? That's what you call fringe? Even the nazis had difficulty breaking past 35 period the vote in 1932, and Jobbik actually gets the same proportion of votes in the countryside and Budapest, which is the Hungarian equivalent of Nyc, Jobbik actually is the most popular party among the youth and gets a lot of support from the universities, which is why I think that WN actually has a fighting chance among white millenials and white millenial college students, and Greece's Golden Dawn is getting 10 percent of the vote and is a literal Nazi party, I mean can you imagine a literal Nazi getting 10 percent of the American vote? Plus AFD in Germany may get as high as 15 percent or more, and I do not recall Trump saying that illegals crossing the border deserve to be shot.

    OT

    Jobbik never got 25% of the vote, as you can check here. I think it was once, in one poll, measured at 25% of the likely voters, sometime maybe a year or two before or after an election, I can’t exactly remember when. Even that much they reached by pivoting considerably to the left. They are pandering to the Gypsy vote for the same (possible) reason Trump is doing it with blacks, to get the goodwhite vote.

    It’s questionable if Jobbik ever was the most popular among the youth, though they are pushing that meme hard themselves. It was a result of some Fidesz policies (particularly unpopular among the youth) and the left totally having discredited itself, which meant that most young people got totally apathetic (or at least that’s what they told pollsters, again, maybe a year or two before or after an election), except of course Jobbik voters. Who stayed very much a minority among young voters, nevertheless. Polls far away from elections are often meaningless anyway.

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  272. utu says:
    @reiner Tor
    I agree with most of what you wrote, but he could've thanked his white supporters, if he did specifically thank his numerically small black and Hispanic voters. It's not going to hurt his re-election chances 200 weeks from now.

    In any event, whatever Bannon thinks, he needs something to the right of him for many reasons. One is to position himself as center, another is so that he won't deviate to the left too much, another so that the media would spend less time attacking him and instead attacking those others, etc.

    “whatever Bannon thinks, he needs something to the right of him for many reasons. ” – You are correct. The presence of Jobbik was good for Orban.

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  273. utu says:
    @reiner Tor
    In any event Trump never specifically thanked his white supporters (by far the biggest group of his supporters), while having thanked his black and Latino supporters.

    I actually don't expect blacks to vote Republican, because in my experience race trumps economic interests (and anything else) for most humans, with the exception of whites (but maybe even whites are no exceptions when they are a minority).

    “I actually don’t expect blacks to vote Republican, because in my experience race trumps economic interests ” – Race often is used to derail any unifying force that threatens the TBTB. If it appears to you (your experience?) that race trumps economic interests it is only because it was played that way by TPTB. It does not have to be that way. The message on the economic benefits must be clear to be understood and people must be educated on the possible angle their racial thinking will be used to derail the unification by TPTB and undermine their interest.

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  274. res says:
    @Jack D
    And theoretically Communism is a wonderful system where each person works to the best of his abilities and has all of his needs fulfilled. But the reality was drenched in blood and starvation. The real media has turned into "Democrat operatives with bylines". They were literally coordinating their coverage with the Hillary campaign, feeding her debate questions, etc. They are not the watchdogs that you imagine. When a Democrat is in office they are lapdogs and when it comes to Republicans they are attack dogs. Maybe someday we could get back to a neutral press but the current organs all need to go out of business (most newspapers already have) and be rebuilt from the ground up as credible nonpartisan sources.

    Maybe someday we could get back to a neutral press but the current organs all need to go out of business (most newspapers already have) and be rebuilt from the ground up as credible nonpartisan sources.

    Do you think this is likely to happen? I wish it would, but I am very pessimistic about the chances. If anything the trend seems to be towards a more biased and click-baity media. Do you have any recommendations for “credible nonpartisan sources”? At this point the best I am hoping for is to have attack dogs on both sides that minimize outright lying.

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    Looks like they're fighting back- using their megaphone and using the desperation of the current political class getting the boot to label everything outside of establishment propaganda as 'fake news'.
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  275. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Who is this “we”, kemo sabe?
     
    lol

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn’t even work that well with educated white women.
     
    Yes. So how do you know that some LARPing Nazis like Spencer are hurting Trump or not? (I'm not sure Spencer is a LARPing Nazi. Honestly I read very little from him, and what I read wasn't really Nazi-ish, but I could be wrong. I also don't know much about those Roman salutes at NPI, except having seen a picture of an Asian reality trash celebrity - who had previously been unknown to me - with two white guys making it, probably while drunk.)

    hurting Trump or not

    This is just speculation, not sure how we could get at it definitively. I don’t believe that many people inclined to support the Republican candidate bought into the MSM push that Trump was bringing in Nazism. Certainly many of the snowflakes on the left bought into the idea. I was afraid of the tendency of women to shy away from conflict and that would affect enough of educated Republican women to lose Trump some votes. Not that they bought into the idea that he was pushing Nazism, just that they wanted the controversy to go away.

    He’s yet to thank his white supporters who were the vast majority of his supporters.

    Trump didn’t thank his white supporters because he didn’t run an identity based campaign; that was what Clinton did. Blacks and others are to be congratulated for seeing past and ignoring appeals based solely on race and ethnicity, most whites already do this.

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    "I was afraid of the tendency of women to shy away from conflict...."

    Maybe conservative and traditional women tend to shy away from conflict. But leftist females revel in any opportunity to beat down the opposition and generally bully any white person who doesn't march in lockstep with them.
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  276. @BucephalusXYZ
    "Not everyone is capable of being retrained as a programmer..."

    I think this is absolutely true. Some probably are more capable of this than they realize, while others don't get that you actually have to be good at some things, and machines don't respect your feelings.

    But what then? Suppose you know you got screwed by globalist elites, and you haven't the slightest clue of the difference between java and javascript?

    Whatever the government has done wrong, I still think it is crucial to examine how you yourself might do things differently, and I think it is one of the worst "achievements" of the current SJW regime to inculcate a different attitude.

    Anyone is capable of being retrained as a software tester. And we can always have more redundant testers (if we need makework jobs for people, which we do). We should consider forcing Silicon Valley to hire people who were globalized out of a job as QA. Bonus, it can be done remotely from low cost rural areas where the victims already love, no need to relocate to $&$$$ Palo Alto.

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  277. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @res

    Maybe someday we could get back to a neutral press but the current organs all need to go out of business (most newspapers already have) and be rebuilt from the ground up as credible nonpartisan sources.
     
    Do you think this is likely to happen? I wish it would, but I am very pessimistic about the chances. If anything the trend seems to be towards a more biased and click-baity media. Do you have any recommendations for "credible nonpartisan sources"? At this point the best I am hoping for is to have attack dogs on both sides that minimize outright lying.

    Looks like they’re fighting back- using their megaphone and using the desperation of the current political class getting the boot to label everything outside of establishment propaganda as ‘fake news’.

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  278. MarcB says:

    The Great White Death has been afflicting the outer rung of my social circle as friends were entering their thirties and forties. Most of them expired prematurely due to the long term effects of alcohol abuse, with a smaller number from cancer and opiate abuse. This grief is compounded with the concurrent passage of parents, and it’s gotten so bad in the last year my that my wife now dreads going on Facebook.

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    What state/region are you seeing this?
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  279. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Who is this “we”, kemo sabe?
     
    lol

    The MSM pushed it really hard, but much to my surprise it didn’t even work that well with educated white women.
     
    Yes. So how do you know that some LARPing Nazis like Spencer are hurting Trump or not? (I'm not sure Spencer is a LARPing Nazi. Honestly I read very little from him, and what I read wasn't really Nazi-ish, but I could be wrong. I also don't know much about those Roman salutes at NPI, except having seen a picture of an Asian reality trash celebrity - who had previously been unknown to me - with two white guys making it, probably while drunk.)
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  280. @Opinionator
    Maybe we should consider saying no to alcohol, as well. How does it make us better men, how does it help us improve our lives and those around us?

    Alcohol is a social lubricant and helps instill a sense of community at festivals, holidays, etc.

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  281. Ivy says:
    @utu
    "These media events don’t arise spontaneously. " - There seem to be master script.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8dejYGa5A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9x-yDyN78

    Master scripts, from whom?
    How much of the Scriptiness (akin to Colbert’s Truthiness) arises from overt actions to manipulate opinion, and how much is based on cheap, lazy crowdsourcing of content? Should we ascribe to malice that which may be just incompetence, or why not both?

    There may be some impetus to initiate stories and then let the machine go on its autopilot, echo chamber way. If there is some standard approach to the story initiation, then perhaps there are meetings, communications, hackable emails or other information available. The story must be spread somehow beyond the germ of an idea.

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  282. @reiner Tor
    Then Spencer is irrelevant. Why spend energies attacking him? If you should be attacking anyone in this whole story, it should be the media who give him publicity, not Spencer.

    Either Spencer is relevant and will lead a movement (or someone similar will do that), in which case it can be useful (but then don't attack him), or he won't, in which case he's irrelevant (and why waste time and energy denouncing him).

    His only relevance is that the media will use him to attack and discredit any right-wing/nationalist movement. Apart from that he’s a joke.

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  283. Olorin says:
    @Jeremiah Bullfrog
    It's all about latinos, blacks, muslims and women now. Native Americans don't seem to matter much anymore. Maybe the left considers them surplus to requirements, demographically unuseful; a dying breed, precursor to white decline. The Young Turks (yes, I know) have been complaining that the Standing Rock protest has been getting very little mainstream press and I wonder if the Native American angle makes it unpalatible. However, it may now get more attention since a protester had her arm amputated as a result of injuries caused by being hit with a gas grenade.

    Don’t worry. I understand that mestizo Latinos are about to be redefined as Native Americans.

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    "Don’t worry. I understand that mestizo Latinos are about to be redefined as Native Americans."

    Most Non Hispanic "Native Americans" are already Mestizos themselves. There are not that many pure Non Hispanic Amerindians left in The U.S.

    Non Hispanic "Native Americans" have the highest interracial marriage rate in The U.S. Most Non Hispanic "Native Americans" do not even marry other Non Hispanic "Native Americans".
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  284. jill says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I am currently working part-time, consulting in the Public Health Department of a large eastern state. I am involved with analyses to develop policy initiatives for one of the state's most lethal "new" public health problems: deaths from opioid overdoses. Actually this problem has been fermenting for decades. It started with accelerating rates of opioid addiction in economically devastated cities and towns that were once thriving. It has spread throughout the entire state. But it is almost entirely concentrated in the White population. This is obvious from the statistics. Anecdotal evidence suggests that it is also concentrated among those Whites whose economic future is bleak at best, no matter what their past income, their past career, their skill level or educational attainment, or their social class.

    It is impossible to address the problem without acknowledging these facts. Yet when I bring them up in the few administrative level situations where I am allowed a voice, my mention of the obvious is treated as if I emitted a loud and very smelly fart. There is an embarrassed silence, a few smirks and many more sneers, and then the discussion returns to useless band-aids that utterly fail to address the causes of the epidemic; public health measures equivalent to the medieval burning of incense to counter the Black Plague.

    Needless to say the Department was overwhelmingly for Clinton and bunches of women were seen embracing and crying in the rest rooms the day after the election. Believe it or not, the Commissioner even spent the days following the election moving from floor to floor and personally soothing the distraught employees.

    The epidemic will be fueled by Obama’s pardons of federally convicted drug dealers and his early release of 46,000 federally convicted drug dealers. Tell that to the people you work with.

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/10/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-federal-prisoner-release#.MRNpavVjR

    Every death from an overdose of drugs should be marked as a homicide by the ME and the supplier prosecuted and sentenced to life without parole.

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  285. @utu
    Bannon, I think, is one of the few who really understands it. The solution is return to the roots, i.e, christian tradition. Whiteness or ethnic awareness won't protect you. Blacks have the highest ethnic awareness. It is all about the culture. You want to save your ethnicity, your latch to the right cultural tradition. For these reasons Kevin MacDonald, Steve Sailor and Jared Taylor are the incomplete prophets who might take you across the Red Sea but will not be of much use to fight the elements while wondering through the desert.

    True, but you are forgetting that the churches are (all of them except the Orthodox) now firmly in the hands of the Left, often in its stupidest and most intolerant form (i.e. Francis). For Christians nowadays, the battle begins within the churches, not with them.

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  286. @hhsiii
    Yep, Louis Nizer of Phillips Nizer. That firm is still around. My family stayed at a house in Pawley's Island a few years ago called The Lemon House. My mom had been going to Pawley's since she was a child in the 30s. As a coincidence, her father had been a friend of Calhoun Lemon, the original owner of the house. A lawyer (my sister had done the renting with no knowledge of this family history.

    Anyway, this house made it through Hurricane Hugo, etc. In the house, framed, was a pen sketch of Calhoun Lemon, Esq. on a napkin from the Algonquin Hotel, NYC. Signed by Louis Nizer.

    And now you know the REST of the story. Page 2 after this word from Coleman...

    I devoured Nizer’s books when I was a teenager, and would happily read them again if I could find them over here in the Old World. Not of course that I shared for a moment his Leftist politics.
    I am therefore fascinated to learn that Nizer frequented the old Algonquin – my grandfather, as a close friend and collaborator with more than one of its most famous members, was an habitué of the famous Algonquin Round Table; it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the young Nizer honed his repartee there with the likes of Robert Benchley and Noël Coward.

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    I read about Quentin Reynolds' libel suit against Westbrook Pegler in a Reader's Digest version of a Louis Nizer book.
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