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  1. Hail says: • Website

    Scenarios:

    [1.] Trump announces (or eventually gets) $5 billion for wall in new spending bill without major concession (Schumer surrenders to Trump) (highly unlikely);
    [2.] Trump signs spending bill without the wall (Trump surrenders to Schumer) (highly unlikely) (Worst Case);
    [3.] Trump refuses to sign bill unless wall money is offered; no immediate action but vetoes all bills. Congress eventually overrides Trump’s veto after weeks or months;
    [4.] Trump declares emergency to force through wall; courts do not “strike it down” (realistic Best Case);
    [5.] Wall funding traded for DACA amnesty (Bad Case);
    [6.] Fence repair and nebulous border security funds (face-saving measure);
    [7.] Trump declares emergency to force through wall; courts do “strike it down”

    Snorlax adds

    Maybe add [0.] some outside-the-box deal, e.g. Schumer gives Trump the full $25 billion for the wall and Trump replaces RBG with a liberal. (Risky Case)

    (Adapted from Ramzpaul; descending rank-order outcome probabilities, i.e., he proposes [1.] as lowest and [7.] as highest probability.) (Reposted from earlier thread).

  2. AndrewR says:

    I’m mainly looking forward to Chuck and Nancy’s joint response. Will the media fact check them like the media will “fact check” Trump?

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    , @Mr. Anon
  3. rufus says:

    Trump appearing to refute construct of “wise latina woman ”

    Terms Representative Cortazio Ortiz, ( D ) NY ” a dingbat Puerto Rican broad ”

    – CNN

    • Replies: @Gman
    , @Lot
  4. Tusk says:

    I’m excited, let’s hope there is some meat on the bones and President Trump reverts back to Candidate Trump. Ending the shutdown will be a herald for disaster though.

  5. Russ says:

    From page 8 of the January 2019 issue of National Defense, regarding the latest Halifax International Security Forum: Cindy McCain presented “the John McCain Award for Leadership in Public Service to the people of Lesbos, Greece, who had welcomed 500,000 refugees to its shores. [Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph] Dunford was seen applauding the recipients.”

    Apparently the annual trip to Halifax was to McCain what the annual AIPAC-sponsored trip to Israel is to Charles Schumer. A good microcosmic snippet of what Trump — St. Michael strengthen him — is up against.

  6. Wall or not the US is doomed. Do you really think that the mother of all amnesties isn’t coming soon?
    Is there any possibility in the slightest that the POS scumbags that run the GOP Incorporated cannot see that the next amnesty and the subsequent chain migration will end their party in the US? I guess they don’t care because they are getting theirs from corporations. But geez, can dopey old Warren Buffet also not see that the open door is going to lead to that 70 percent tax rate for his rich old white arse and maybe the future Institutional Revolutionary Party members won’t let those rich white folks slide with umpteen million tax shelters… or maybe Warren is okay. Perhaps the Socialists are smart enough not to completely kill off whitey’s incentive to fund the government.
    But the GOP Incorporated is d.e.d. dead. We are too…

  7. @Hail

    7b] Trump declares emergency to force through wall; courts do “strike it down”, Trump executes Andrew Jackson’s maneuver and ignores the Courts, possibly with some distraction operations (e.g. insistently requesting immediate action by Supreme Court).

    • Replies: @Svigor
  8. The broadcast media are all atwitter in anticipation of President Trump’s speech tonight. But he will be upstaged by what Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi says afterwards. Pelosi has maneuvered the President into giving his first-ever Oval Office speech as the warm-up act for a major speech by her. Trump will probably talk about a wall as a “compassionate” way bring the U.S.-Mexico border under control. But his weak-sister whining will be followed by tough talk from Dr. Pelosi (she has several doctorates, some honorary). As a neo-Nietzschean moralist, she rejects walls: “A wall is an immorality.” Instead, Dr. Pelosi will emphasize the economy, efficiency, and true permanent-solution compassion of snipers and landmines. “It’s who we are as a nation,” she will declare. Her speech will be a bombshell and will go down in history. Future historians may rank it as more historically significant than Rudolph the Red-Nose Reindeer.

  9. The orange-bellied cuck has to give one hell of a speech. I hope he talks about taxing remittances. He has done practically nothing to deal with the problems of legal and illegal immigration. He has not signed an executive order to get rid of the anchor baby problem.

    • Troll: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @jill
    , @rufus
    , @Xylon
  10. istevefan says:

    Whaddaya think?

    The media is going to give us a clinic for the next 24 hours on the power of fact-checking as a political tool to be wielded against one’s opponents. Even if Trump states something that is essentially true, it will be deemed a lie if it deviates one iota from fact.

    For example, Trump could sate that illegal aliens committed X murders. But if the true answer were X-3, the focus of discussion will be on how he lied, not about illegals committing murder.

    Think of his “last night in Sweden” tweet. Though something did not happen specifically on the night he referred, two nights later they had car-b-ques in Malmo, but the media dismissed it because it had not happened on the night Trump specified. Watch for the same BS tonight.

  11. Asdf says:

    Democrats should respond in Spanish.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  12. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:

    Did the media ever fact check any of the speeches made by Barack “The 2nd greatest human being that ever lived after the prophet muhamad pbuh ,not that Barry was a Muslim himself, you Islamophobia prick” Hussein Obama ??

  13. I feel terrible for the guy. No one in the public space is speaking up for him, helping to mold policy. No one wants to work in the White House, because the horror, he might tweet his POV or push for a policy his voters want done.

  14. Gman says:
    @rufus

    I am surprised Pelosi/Schumer will be rebutting – I would’ve expected someone were more telegenic. I think the response risks being a flop for dems

    I think the hatred/criticism of AOC is rooted in the fact that she is not super pro-Israel (I.e. Max boot column). After she was elected, there was anti Semitic person in her public victory party and the media tried to portray her as anti Semitic (I don’t think she is). Aside from immigration/crime issues, I think she is rather sensible.

  15. Gman says:

    Also @isteve

    I see a lot of pieces in places like vox showing that illegal immigrants commit less crime without mention of age cohorts

    An example of being factually correct but misleading

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    , @Rufus
    , @bomag
  16. songbird says:

    I guess I’m pretty naive, but I really thought we had seen the last of Pelosi as Speaker – now the oldest elected.

  17. This will be the first time he’s done one of these. I’m hoping to see him sitting behind a long, boardroom table. Maybe he’ll invite Chuck and Nancy in from the waiting room.

  18. jill says:

    Kind of wish that Trump would present the latest GAO report on the murders of over 33,000 Americans by illegal criminal aliens over the last 40 years

    Page 26 plus page 32

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693162.pdf

  19. Lot says:
    @rufus

    Ocasio’s father was an architect and she mostly grew up in suburban small town Yorktown Heights, moving at age five and staying to HS graduation. Her hometown is 90% white and 5% hispanic and has a median family income of $137,000.

    With that tony background and twofer WOC affirmative action, she worked after college for years as a bartender! Yet now she’s setting the Democrat agenda on immigration and more recently tax policy.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Rosamond Vincy
  20. Luke Lea says:

    You would think Triump would win on this one from a PR point of view. He thinks a wall is important, the Dems don’t. It makes sense to shut down the government over something you think is important. It doesn’t make sense to shut it down over something you don’t think is important. Therefore the Dems will surrender.

  21. Lot says:

    Pray for immediate wall order. Left wing sites claim Miller wrote the speech.

    https://www.salon.com/2019/01/08/gop-sources-trump-aide-stephen-miller-writing-not-coherent-primetime-speech-border-wall_partner/

    I am worried about the military eminent domain part though.

    Between the border areas already owned by the US Gov and willing and eager landowners, why get bogged down on the likely small exceptions? AZ and TX would probably also welcome it on any state owned land. Start there!

    • Replies: @Elsewhere
  22. The President needs to stress once again that Israel has a border wall. Then he needs to point out that we, the people of the United States, PAID for it.

    Is this in fact the case? I suspect it is, in the sense that money is fungible and they never would have been able to fund it without the largesse originating in DC.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Shmendrix
  23. @Russ

    Saint Augustino, let his enemies fly away.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
  24. Should use prime-time TV to demand proof-of-life from RBG who is likely already dead.

    Exposing the cover-up of this death will de-legitimize the MSM once and for all….or not.

  25. jill says:
    @attilathehen

    20 percent withholding on all remittances to be refunded when an illegal alien files a U.S. tax return.

    Some illegals do file taxes using a taxpayer I.D. number. They are banned from obtaining social security numbers.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  26. rufus says:
    @attilathehen

    ,,, so this is an attack from the right ? No enemies to the near left you internet goon..

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  27. @AndrewR

    I’m mainly looking forward to Chuck and Nancy’s joint response. Will the media fact check them like the media will “fact check” Trump?

    You should know by now that Chuck and Nancy’s statements are the “facts” against which Trump’s address will be “checked.”

    • Agree: snorlax
  28. songbird says:
    @Gman

    Tip O’Neill would be more photogenic, and he’s been buried in the ground for 25 years.

  29. Jimi says:

    Trump wants a discussion on the major question, “Do Americans have the right to decide who comes into our country?”

    The media plans to obscure Trump’s speech by turning the whole thing into a fact checking enterprise.

  30. Svigor says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    Races and peoples have seen empires and regimes come, and go.

  31. @Gman

    And also always comparing Hispanic murder rates to average US murder rates and not to white or black murder rates.

  32. Daniel H says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    >>Is there any possibility in the slightest that the POS scumbags that run the GOP Incorporated cannot see that the next amnesty and the subsequent chain migration will end their party in the US?

    >>But the GOP Incorporated is d.e.d. dead. We are too…

    I agree, and I look forward to Republican Inc.’s utter destruction, but I know that the innocent (most of us) are going down too.

    I love President Trump, but he is too little, too late. He’s just too much of an optimist.

    And I don’t despair, though. The next 50 years are gonna be a hellava’ ride ( curse that I’m not younger). I anticipate something good arising from the ruins.

  33. Svigor says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    It’s past time for Trump to break the phony, usurped power of the federal judiciary. Take action, fire whichever executive minion obeys the judiciary over the the president, repeat until it sinks in. Purge national security bureaucracies, which have no red tape protecting minions from firing. Fill them with real Americans and give them critical duties currently held by bureaucracies that do have said red tape. Sideline protected bureaucracies. Etc.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
    , @Lot
  34. Svigor says:

    WTF did the site just eat my comment? Can’t recall that happening on Steve’s blog since he left Blogger.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  35. No matter what Trump says tonight, we are not going to get any reasonable, nuanced, factual discussion about what should be done about problems of illegal crossings of the southern border.

    In politics all public discussion of issues must be reduced to the comprehension level of a fifth-grader, which renders it pretty pointless, even if the actual legislators have a greater level of awareness of the complexity of the world.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Disagree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Rufus
    , @J.Ross
  36. @Gman

    Aside what happened, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

  37. Whiskey says: • Website

    OT Gavin Newsome has ordered free health care to all illegals under 26.

    While all my income goes to family medical care.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  38. My home state of Oklahoma once sealed off its southern border against an obnoxious neighbor and even sent National Guard troops to enforce it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_River_Bridge_War

    “The next day, Governor Murray declared martial law at the site, enforced by Oklahoma National Guardsmen, and personally appeared at the site, armed with a revolver,”…Heh. From the day I first heard story of this tale in an Oklahoma History class at Etta Dale Junior High in 1983 El Reno, Oklahoma, America, I’ve always been a fan of Governor “Alfalfa Bill” Murray, particularly during that one weekend a year when the University of Oklahoma takes on the Spawns of Satan from the University of Texas (Austin) in Dallas…

    Back to America, 2019: one of the things that renders the story of the Red River Bridge War of 1931 America so quaint is that in 1931, the citizens of both states on either side of their respective state borders shared (1) the same language, an (2) almost entirely common culture, and (3) an agreed-upon legal framework for settling these kerfluffles…the entire “Red River Bridge War” just basically involved the equivalent of two brothers who don’t like each other very much, and scrap at every available opportunity, coming to the brink of a fisticuffs at a family barbecue, even if both never go through with it and end up looking slightly ridiculous in the family lore of times gone by – Which. Is. What. Happened.

    Not so, our border wars in 2019: this stuff is made of more serious poison. We lost *some* bad (and comical, as here) things when the Spirit of even-so-short-ago-as ’31 faded, I’ll concede; we lost a whole lot *more* good things, I’d argue.

    I’d love to see Trump act more like a politician in 1931, rather than one in 2019, In ’31, every Governor – along bipartisan lines – in the nation along with President Hoover would have troops on the border in the face of such an assault on our sovereignty we are facing, and without apology.

  39. MarkinLA says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Given 30 years of the government lying to our faces about immigration, I doubt there is any “reasonable, nuanced, factual” discussion possible. Why don’t we start with the promises given in 1986 that still haven’t been kept.

    • Agree: Bubba
  40. 1661er says:
    @Hail

    8) Trump agree to adopt AOC’s 70% top marginal tax rate plans, with part of the revenue raised goes toward funding the wall building. If Trump can hold on to GOP members of congress, enough Democratic members of congress will defect to this plan despite potential opposition by Chuck and Nancy.

    • Replies: @Travis
  41. Rufus says:
    @Gman

    Race is most predictive.

  42. Rufus says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Step one:

    Prevent entry and settlement in The United States.

    Rest is just conversation.

  43. snorlax says:

    I believe the networks now get ratings direct from cable boxes, so I watched the speech on CBS then immediately switched to the Weather Channel as soon as he stopped speaking.

    • LOL: jim jones
  44. snorlax says:
    @Hail

    I should have also added [8.] no deal yet.

    • Replies: @Hail
  45. snorlax says:
    @Lot

    IIRC her original neighborhood, while technically in the Bronx, was a mostly white, upper-middle-class planned community.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  46. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    I DO NOT DISAGREE! MY MACHINES ARE REVOLTING!

  47. snorlax says:
    @Luke Lea

    It was stupid* not to mention the name of the Sikh cop who was murdered and that he was a legal immigrant.

    [MORE]
    *From the “convincing swing voters” (meaning Nice White Ladies, Boomercons, Libertards etc.) perspective, not the WN perspective.

    • Replies: @Rufus
    , @snorlax
    , @PiltdownMan
  48. J.Ross says: • Website

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  49. Rufus says:
    @snorlax

    ” We got Mexicans whackin Sikhs ” …that’s what chuck and Nancy call vibrant diversity.

    -D. Trump

  50. snorlax says:
    @snorlax

    And that the killer was a several-times-deported some kind of violent felon (too lazy to Google the case) who was subject to an ICE detainer but protected by the CA sanctuary state law.

  51. ChrisZ says:

    The persistent thought in my mind is what a villain Paul Ryan has been.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  52. It was…quick. Presumably this is an agreed upon tactical move as he is perfectly capable of giving a lengthy stemwinder.

    My hope is that the Democrats (I am not watching the rebuttal/condemnation) refuse to deal and blow off the invitation tomorrow. Then he can declare the national emergency.

  53. Last word is that there is no constituency (Left or Right, Dem or Repub) for significantly reducing legal or illegal immigration to this (used-to-be) nation. The Dems and Lefties want there to be an end to the sovereign nation with their pals in global charge, and the Repubs and righties (neo-cons?) want the continuation of a simulacrum of a sovereign nation with their pals in charge.

    So it does not matter much what the President says. He isn’t really driving the bus.

  54. Anonymous[786] • Disclaimer says:

    It took 9+ minutes of the speech before he first time uttered W-word.

  55. Blah.

    President, and then Speaker and Minority Leader, staring into teleprompters and reading, terribly, their talking points.

    No new arguments. Trump won’t or can’t address the real reasons we need to do something.

    One bright spot: He did integrate a barrier with overall security. Continuing dim spot: He continues to make is a “security” issue, instead of what it is, an issue of sovereignty, quality life for citizens, and what kind of country we want for our Posterity.

    No doubt countless comments are coming in here now. There really isn’t much to say though.

    • Replies: @e
    , @AnotherDad
  56. trelane says:

    But how do you keep legal immigrants out?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  57. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    Well that was anticlimactic. Nothing new.

    Don’t think it was a bomb, but you can really tell why he adlibs. He had no rhythm– definitely not a trained teleprompter reader.

    Nancy was also pretty bad. Poor enunciation. Age catching up there.

    Chuck looked like Jeff Bezos with the asymmetrical eyes–one half shut, other wide open.

  58. Trump failed to make that case that the situation on the southern border was anything remotely approaching a state of emergency, or worth closing the government over.

    Of course border security is an issue to be taken seriously, but I see no reason why there should not be a much more bipartisan approach to multiple issues such as refugees, drug smuggling, entry of terrorists, and so on with a holistic approach that is not just all about the southern border.

  59. @Bud Light

    It was Good. Better than Expected. B+ or A-
    This is about who holds the High Ground on Patriotism & National Survival. So far, Trump is holding the high ground very well indeed, and continues to expose the Dems as Open Borders idiots.

  60. AKAHorace says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Of course border security is an issue to be taken seriously, but I see no reason why there should not be a much more bipartisan approach to multiple issues such as refugees, drug smuggling, entry of terrorists, and so on with a holistic approach that is not just all about the southern border.

    Twenty or thirty years ago this might have been a useful comment. Now the left is committed to mass immigration.

  61. Trump looked far more ill-at-ease than he does in more freewheeling settings, but forcing Chuck and Nancy to go up against him was a win for him. They seemed petulant and ridiculous. Reminding people that these are the actual leaders of the Democratic Party will likely help him.

    • Troll: Tiny Duck.
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  62. @Jonathan Mason

    Historically, “bipartisan” means the Democrats get their way. The Democrats fight to win, the Republicans go along to get along. It’s up to Trump to change that mindset by standing firm.

  63. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    He is not great at these, but the best bit IMO was when he said (paraphrase) “Schumer consistently supported a wall before I was elected.” This loose tactic could be used to heighten other divisions in the Dem caucus.

    My initial reaction to Dems’ talking point of “manufacturing a crisis” was that it was weak. I keep waiting for someone to ask Chancy Pelumer, “Sooooo… You’re against it on aesthetic grounds?” (SWPL lib donors actually are, in addition to the other motivations)

    I don’t think the speech will change much in short term but Trump kept it simple so there has been some vague kick-the-can progress on finishing this. If it is ever finished.

    The net news people on ABC weren’t doing a good job concealing their animus toward Orange Man. The anchor-dummy was Stephanopolous. I’ didn’t see but am sure the CNN/MSNBC fact checkers were amusingly bush-league about it

    • Replies: @Dtbb
  64. @Whiskey

    I’m happy to hear you have a family, Whiskey. I wish you the best in the coming year.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  65. anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Speech was short, direct and to the point. He hit the major points and pointed out the hypocrisy of celebrities and others who have walls around their own homes while publicly opposing a border wall. It was a good speech and will go over well with his base and possibly sway some fence-sitters. The diehard haters won’t listen of course but the point is to minimize and isolate them. The media will be in propaganda overdrive for the next few days. Trump needs to do more of these, bypassing all the hysterical screamers who have a media preponderance.

  66. Lol America is rejecting Drumpf and his racist Wall. The Democrats owned him tonight.

    • Troll: Anonym
  67. e says:

    The visual of Pelosi and Schumer? Two Cadavers.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  68. Much better response to Trump here.

    Congress should give Trump one last chance to reopen the government, and then either impeach, or remove him for mental incompetency.

    • Disagree: Chrisnonymous
    • Troll: AnotherDad
  69. I think some of the criticisms regarding delivery and argument are not appropriate. We’re still in Act I, but unless Odysseus is unleashed soon, he may enter the stage too late. This is likely not a drama with memorable oratory. Evidence the leading cast.

  70. @trelane

    No chain migration outside of immediate family.

  71. e says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I’m with you about the “security” aspect but I’ve read and read and tonight heard again before the speech that in polling, Americans are anti-wall when it’s not connected to “security,” at which point, they are for it.

  72. Jeff Zylo says:

    A year ago, during a Town Hall meeting with Pelosi on CNN, a woman whose son was killed when illegal immigrant gang members set him ablaze, asked Pelosi which of her children should would choose to meet such a fate. Unfortunately, the women then asked a second question and Pelosi skillfully avoided the much more pointed first question. Trump should have brought that woman in, and demanded that Pelosi ask the charge. A society is useless if the elite do not feel the same pain. He should have shown videos and pictures of murdered people. Only does shock work to change peoples minds. They know that from cigarette warnings in the UK.

    He should also have just said, “the rest of the world is so fucked up and they all want to move here.”

  73. Tusk says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Here’s how Bernie can still win…

  74. Peterike says:

    Captain Disappointment strikes again.

  75. @AKAHorace

    Twenty or thirty years ago this might have been a useful comment. Now the left is committed to mass immigration.

    Not sure this is really true, but even if it is true, it is mostly irrelevant to the discussion about fence-building. It may well be the case that the US is allowing too many people to immigrate, but that is not what this impasse is about either. We would need legislative approaches to changing existing laws.

    Something there is that doesn’t love a wall,

  76. Speech was a dud.

    It would have been okay on his first day in office, but now I’m afraid its to little to late.

    Walls are nice, but Trump would get more bang for his buck with rigorous interior immigration enforcement. Maybe lock up a santuary city mayor for obstructing ICE, and see if they really have the courage of their convictions.

    After two years, there is no excuse for not implementing e-verify, stopping illegals from receiving food stamps and welfare payments, or taxing remittances leaving the country.

    Had Trump not fiddle f*cked around for two years he’d have alot more leverage now.

  77. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The “wealthy politicians have walls around their houses” part was a little odd. It was clearly meant to be a hard-hitting line, and I thought of all those Julia Hahn articles at Breitbart stalking around Paul Ryno’s compound in Wisconsin. Trump delivered it in the weirdest Mr. Rogers fashion possible, though; “Jesus, build a fence around my fam’ly” la la la.

    Rhetorically the speech was not as jugular-targeting as we have become accustomed to from him which is the main reason it seems like a whiff, though that might be inaccurate.

  78. @anonymous

    He hit the major points and pointed out the hypocrisy of celebrities and others who have walls around their own homes while publicly opposing a border wall.

    Yes, but the assumption of people who live in gated communities is that the people inside are law abiding property owners, but the population outside have a high proportion of opportunistic criminals.

    The United States is already full of native-b0rn criminals, so putting a wall around it will not keep them out.

    By the way, I am personally acquainted with hundreds of murderers, rapists, carjackers, home invaders, within the US, so I am not naive about crime or sympathetic to criminals, but I doubt whether a wall would have much impact on crime statistics in the US.

  79. Democrats are getting desperate. They stink of it.

  80. @Jonathan Mason

    The border wall IS the holistic solution to all of those serious problems you despicable cretinous traitor.

  81. newrouter says:

    If Baracky can ” find” $150 billion(cash!!) out of nowhere to give to Iran why can’t Trump “find” $5 billion for the fence?

  82. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:

    A multiplying Democrat instant-take seems to be that walls, as a concept, belong to a previous century. Coons said 4th, Merkeley said 5th. The newsbroad on ABC called it a “13th century solution.” The media dive into historical wallology is one thing, but it’s a bit surreal that the cognoscenti intuitively view current year as a techno-force-field futuristic singularity where there are no physical barriers on anything, like Ben Kingsley’s insane speech at the end of “Sneakers.” They also are really peeved about not getting credit for being against the Berlin Wall now! This is not the easiest counterargument they could undertake, methinks (i.e. “walls are epistemologically bad”).

    • Replies: @Hail
  83. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why are you not sure if this is true? What stone did they leave unturned over the past three years? They go out and meet them, they give them pamphlets and tell them how to elude police, they riot in support of it. You mean Bernie Sanders exists? He does, but he’ll move if you ask him.

  84. Larry David speaks!

    Sanders is a disgrace to Brooklyn. I chuck a beer bottle at him. What a schmuck.

  85. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    >impeach
    For what crime?
    >declare political opposition insane
    Literally Soviet.
    >unilaterally undo 2016 election
    The reason they didn’t do this yet is what would happen afterwards. And also that isn’t a thing.

    • Replies: @anon
  86. Elsewhere says:
    @Lot

    Yes! Don’t worry about building a wall yet in the states that fight it. When all the traffic starts to go through them, they will reconsider.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  87. Dtbb says:
    @Anonymous

    Fox was all over Trump calling him a liar. Wtf?

  88. Cao Cao says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Not sure this is really true, but even if it is true, it is mostly irrelevant to the discussion about fence-building

    It isn’t true.
    And if it IS true, it doesn’t matter.
    And if it DOES matter, it’s too expensive.
    And if it’s NOT too expensive, it’s immoral.

    Imagine having to hedge your arguments so hard only to fall on your face setting up an elaborate straw man of your opponent. The political left’s commitment to de facto open borders, and the commensurate erasure of the white political class in America is the single most relevant factor of the discussion of The Wall. People can couch it behind, “The migration is dangerous,” or “A lot of the immigrants are dangerous,” or “There are a lot of drugs coming across.” All of these things are true, but they are not what animates the primal urge for a southern border wall.

    To be quite frank: you don’t get to disingenuously dictate the terms of your opponent’s arguments.

  89. Ed says:

    He did a good job. I’m just saddened that there are many people that think securing our borders shouldn’t be done. That Dems are openly pushing for limited enforcement, defunding ICE and open borders. That they maybe successful in their endeavors.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  90. @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Had Trump not fiddle f*cked around for two years he’d have a lot more leverage now.

    Comment of the month.

  91. @Jonathan Mason

    Exactly. Something there that doesn’t love a wall. Something there that believes, like a child, if we don’t take action, God will, and everything will be all right. The fantasy of one who has never lost through lack of action, or who reconciled the anguish by maintaining that they couldn’t have changed the outcome anyway. My advice, if you have something that is precious, and you don’t defend it, eventually someone who values it more highly, or is stronger, less honest, or more persuasive, will take it from you. I don’t like walls and never have. But consider the alternatives. Gut shooting immigrants at the border. Relinquishing political control, i.e. decision control to those with very different priorities. War. Evaporation of your tribe. I agree, a wall is, to some degree, an admission of failure. In this case, I believe it is an expression of ownership, and pride in that.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  92. @Hail

    Hail wrote:

    [1.] Trump announces (or eventually gets) $5 billion for wall in new spending bill without major concession (Schumer surrenders to Trump) (highly unlikely);

    I’m not sure it’s unlikely: The Dems are the party of government — it really pains them to have the government partially shut down. And, the majority of those who suffer are Dem voters.

    Trump seems unwilling to play the usual GOP game of being apologetic over shutting down the government; indeed, a lot of his base thinks it’s rather a good idea (I do, and I’m not even a hard-core Trumpian).

    If Trump has the guts to hang tough on this indefinitely, I think he wins. A couple more months and the Dems will take the tack that Trump is just completely insane and the Dems therefore have no choice but to give in.

    But if Trump folds, 2020 is lookin’ kinda bleak.

    If I were Kellyanne, I’d tell him to roll the dice and hang tough.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Hail
  93. istevefan says:
    @Ed

    I’m just saddened that there are many people that think securing our borders shouldn’t be done.

    We are rapidly moving into a period where supporting something will be mostly dependent upon the views of your enemy. If you enemy supports it, then you must oppose. If they oppose it, you must support it. Sort of like the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    That they maybe successful in their endeavors.

    They have a very good chance of being successful. In recent memory we have witnessed them create the notion of gay marriage and have it successfully implemented across this nation and much of the world. We are witnessing them normalizing transgender issues in a manner most of us could not conceive of 6 years ago. We are actually celebrating men competing against women in sporting contests. When I was a kid females used to get checked at the olympics to ensure they weren’t men. Now they are welcomed to compete.

    Be concerned, very concerned that our borders might soon be eliminated. Once they set their eyes on something, it generally gets done.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @Mr McKenna
  94. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    >a more bipartisan approach
    Exactly what party did you have in mind?

  95. Travis says:
    @1661er

    impose a one time 2% Wealth Tax on those with a net worth over $45 Billion. This would raise over $18 Billion to construct the wall and only effect 14 people.
    Who could feel sorry for these guys ?Let them pay the tax over a 2 year time period.

    ———- Net worth……..2% wealth Tax to fund the wall
    Jeff Bezos – 160 Billion – $3,200,000,000
    Bill Gates – 95 Billion – $1,900,000,000
    W. Buffett – 88 Billion – $1,760,000,000
    Zuckerberg – 61 Billion – $1,220,000,000
    L. Ellison – 58 Billion – $1,170,000,000
    Larry Page – 54 Billion – $1,100,000,000
    C. Koch – 54 Billion – $1,100,000,000
    D. Koch – 54 Billion – $1,100,000,000
    Sergey Brin – 53 Billion – $1,060,000,000
    Bloomberg – 52 Billion – $1,040,000,000
    Jim Walton – 50 Billion – $1,000,000,000
    A. Walton – 47 Billion – $940,000,000
    S Walton – 47 Billion – $940,000,000
    Ballmer – 45 Billion – $900,000,000

    Many dems would not be able to avoid soaking the rich…Trump actually proposed a one time Wealth tax on billionaires back in the 90s when he was campaigning for the Reform Party.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  96. J.Ross says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    This: setting everything else aside, when was the last time the Democrats had a fight on their hands?

  97. @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Sandy Berger’s Socks wrote:

    Speech was a dud.

    It would have been okay on his first day in office, but now I’m afraid its to little to late.

    Walls are nice, but Trump would get more bang for his buck with rigorous interior immigration enforcement. Maybe lock up a santuary city mayor for obstructing ICE, and see if they really have the courage of their convictions.

    The country is divided roughly 50/50: the speech was never going to sway a significant number on this issue that has been chewed over for so many years.

    The purpose of the speech is to serve as part of a larger strategy, i.e., to show that he is willing to talk and be reasonable as he holds out for what he wants.

    If he locks up a sanctuary city mayor, the courts will immediately free the mayor, and rightly so — federalism and all that.

    No, in terms of practical politics, Trump has to hang tough until the Dems can use the excuse that they have no choice but to give in because the guy in the Oval Office is just not a normal human being (i.e., someone who knows that all humans must ultimately bow down before our progressive overlords).

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @AnotherDad
  98. A little disappointed by the speech. Scripted is not Trump’s forte.

    OTOH, Chuck looked like he was having a stroke. Nancy looked like she didn’t survive her last one. Their lighting must have been done by a funeral director. And all they had to say was “Give up all your leverage now, and we’ll negotiate later.” Same ol’.

    • Replies: @Hail
  99. @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote:

    Congress should give Trump one last chance to reopen the government, and then either impeach, or remove him for mental incompetency.

    Well, that would guarantee Trump’s re-election in 2020!

  100. Lot says:
    @PhysicistDave

    There is already a law passed in the 1970s saying the president can order the military to build necessary structures using spare defense budget cash.

    Do it! Build the Wall and make the Military Industrial Complex pay for it!

    Namcy will say it is a waste of money. But $5 billion out of $700 billion defense budget to defend the borders is hard to call a waste.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @TTSSYF
  101. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    What I’d like to see from Trump if for him to SHUT UP and DO SOMETHING.

    Rather than give a speech about the border (and then have nothing happen), how about no speech. Just media reporting that there are troop movements towards the border, the Army Corps of Engineers is flying large transport planes to bases in the Southwest, and so on. No speech, no comment to press inquiries, dead air on Twitter. Press helicopters see construction at the border. A rancher complains about government incursion to his land and files a lawsuit, but Justice intervenes and quashes the lawsuit. Still no comment and no tweets, and the L.A. Times has a ten-part series on how the U.S. is going Nazi. And still no comment. A federal court enjoins the goverment but is ignored. With no Bannon and with Stephen Miller all by his lonesome, nothing will happen. But we’ll still have Paris (the Agreement, that is, that we are still a party to).

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Hail
  102. anon[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    >impeach

    For what crime?

    for pissing off Democrats of course

    why do you ask such silly questions?

  103. Apollo says:

    All I know is that a decade or two ago if you asked me if I was willing to die for my race, I would never have never associate with you again. I’m willing to die for my race now.

  104. snorlax says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Is this in fact the case?

    No, but Jordan has a border wall we paid for directly (under Obama!), as, IIRC, do several other countries.

    I suspect it is, in the sense that money is fungible

    Fungibility of money is far too complex a concept to explain to the average voter, particularly when it’s Donald Trump doing the explaining while everyone else (including his own party and his own Evangelical base) is furiously denouncing him. It also doesn’t really apply to government budgets, hence why Trump doesn’t have the funds to build the wall.

    they never would have been able to fund it without the largesse originating in DC.

    The Israeli wall cost $415 million. The Israeli government budget for the year 2017 was $102 billion. Even if the Israeli economy were more akin to Afghanistan than Austria, Sheldon Adelson alone (net worth $33 billion) could’ve paid for it out of his pocket change. In addition to working, walls are cheap.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  105. @ChrisZ

    I find Ryan absolutely odious. I was surprised to hear Tucker Carlson, in a CSPAN interview, talk of what a truly nice guy Ryan is. I don’t see him that way at all, but I’m judging him by his statements and actions, not a firsthand impression.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @ChrisZ
  106. @SporadicMyrmidon

    The troll called you a troll! Funny.

    • Agree: SporadicMyrmidon
  107. @Jonathan Mason

    In fact, it is you who are incompetent, for misjudging or lying about the gravity and depth of the dispute. The dispute is the visual and sonic expression of a fracture that divides our culture top to bottom. The shutdown of government is null in comparison. Twitter on, in stridency, twitter on.

  108. @Jonathan Mason

    Of course border security is an issue to be taken seriously, but I see no reason why there should not be a much more bipartisan approach to multiple issues such as refugees, drug smuggling, entry of terrorists, and so on with a holistic approach that is not just all about the southern border.

    Then you’re not paying attention. There is no bipartisan approach possible because the Democrats want–effectively–open borders. (They just don’t want to say it, but oppose any action to actually have a border.)

    Seriously, drugs and terrorism are chicken shit issues compared to simply drowning American whites in diversity and stealing the nation their forefathers built. The quality of life my descendants have will have basically nothing to do with how much coke gets smuggled in or some muzzie loons blowing shit up–unless, of course, they blow up them–but will depend critically on who they share they nation with, their genes and culture.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  109. Trump described real tragedy at the open border. Crime, drugs, lawlessness.

    Chuck and Nancy tried to argue that the shutdown is a tragedy. Government workers not getting paid on time.

    Oh, but Chuck and Nancy still get paid.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  110. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I agree. As far as speech goes, it’s not bad. I like that he called out the politicians who oppose the wall but build a wall/fence around their own home, “not because they hate the people outside, but because they love the people inside.” That was a nice touch.

    I watched it on Fox News and could not believe Sam Shepard the fucking weasel who immediately came on after the speech and slammed Trump 9 ways to Sunday by refuting his data with Fox’s own “alternative facts”. It’s been a long time since I watched Fox, what the fuck happened to these guys? Always hated Sam Shepard and Chris Wallace, now even more so.

    But I agree that it’s time for Trump to stop talking and start doing things. He needs to just declare an emergency, and immediately allocate funds from the Department of Defense to build the wall. It’s entirely within his right as POTUS. Let the treasonous left try to stop him.

    Also where is that EO that he said he would sign to end birthright citizenship for illegals and tourists? More talk and no action again. Like Syria.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  111. utu says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    Absolutely. The Wall is symbolic rhetorical.

  112. snorlax says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Politicians, particularly the most successful and highest-profile ones (e.g. VP nominee at 42 then Speaker of the House at 45) are almost always among the most charming and likable people you’ll ever meet. That’s how they got to be successful politicians.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  113. dvorak says:
    @Gman

    I think the hatred/criticism of AOC is rooted in the fact that she is not super pro-Israel

    AOC revealed that she has Jewish ancestry, so she’s A-OK, she can even criticize Israel a bit.

    • Replies: @Hail
  114. @snorlax

    Then it’s best to judge them from a distance and not get close enough to enable them to bewitch you.

    • Agree: snorlax
  115. Hhsiii says:

    De Blasio just essentially did same in NYC (free health care). City States are the new rage.

    • Replies: @Hail
  116. @rufus

    You’ve either short-circuited – right/left??? – or you’re incredibly stupid. I suspect the latter.

  117. CMC says:

    It was kind of boring so I: a) wondered if he was being boring on purpose, and why, and b) switched to The Sopranos and Molly’s Game, which leads me to this theory:

    It was essentially, in poker terms, a ‘check.’ He did it for the normies, the people who aren’t political junkies. By not being dramatic, by just keeping up the pressure, by just saying let’s be reasonable by speaking without saying anything significant, he was signaling to his enemies on this that he can do this all day, it’s not wearing him out, he’s got a good hand, maybe a great hand, whaddayougot?

  118. The address was underwhelming. It certainly didn’t feel like one where he had turned Stephen Miller lose. That it was done at all is a step in the right direction. Now he needs to follow it up with wall rallies where he is more in his element. He needs to keep bringing the victims up to stand at the podium with him. Because every time some ninny chimes in that illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens they show their lack of care for their fellow citizens. I know this never penetrates Ron, but the common citizen can feel in their gut that all of those murders, rapes, assaults are crimes that should not have happened, because their perpetrator should not be here. The rate is esoteric nonsense.

  119. Mr. Anon says:
    @AndrewR

    I’m mainly looking forward to Chuck and Nancy’s joint response.

    I’d rather see Sid and Nancy. I’d rather be governed by them too, for that matter.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  120. @Buzz Mohawk

    No new arguments. Trump won’t or can’t address the real reasons we need to do something.

    One bright spot: He did integrate a barrier with overall security. Continuing dim spot: He continues to make is a “security” issue, instead of what it is, an issue of sovereignty, quality life for citizens, and what kind of country we want for our Posterity.

    Sorry to hear that. I didn’t make an effort to find it on-line and watch as Trump–and conservatives in general–are just painfully bad at making the critical points.

    Trump is my guy–i admire what he’s done. But he either just does not see–not a deep thinker–what the nature of the crisis is or is unwilling to really force himself to focus and hammer the critical points home.

    I’m not up on the specifics of their situations but it seems like some of the nationalists in Europe really are starting to get some traction, driving home the core issue of the right of their citizens to their nations and turning them over to their descendants, not foreigners.

    We will not get traction here unless we have conservatives who are willing to–politely but firmly–take on Jewish minoritarianism, make the case that America has been a nice place to live because of the people and culture that founded it and that the American people–and that includes everyone who is a citizen today–own the nation and are entitled to keep it. Directly challenging those who desire globohomo with a “you can have it for yourselves but have no right to impose it on us”, threat of separation is also critical to the process.

    Unfortunately, we’re still a ways from “conservative” American politicians acting like they actually want to conserve America for Americans.

    • Replies: @dvorak
  121. Trump doesn’t have any reason to back down. The incoming Dems have made it clear that they plant to investigate Trump’s businesses and go after his friends and relatives.

    He’s better off fighting them now over the wall. It’ll rally his base and the shutdown hurts Dem supporters.

    He needs to break them so that they lose their fighting spirit. And he knows it.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Lagertha
  122. Hail says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    They think they can get DACA amnesty. Lyndsey Graham has floated as much.

    BTW, why has Trump not cancelled the Diversity Lottery visa system? He has gotten Tweet-mileage out of it; why not just cancel it by executive order? Trump has these Democratic voter mill operations hostage to some extent. Isn’t it time for T to start ‘killing’ hostages to show he is serious in this negotiation?

    • Replies: @Lucas McCrudy
  123. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    This is a good criticism.

    Trump’s career for ten-plus years was Reality TV personality, and…

  124. Hail says: • Website
    @Ozymandias

    Chuck looked like he was having a stroke

    Or zombie-like.

    He was twitching with some regularity. What’s with that?

  125. Hail says: • Website
    @snorlax

    On the path for [3.]?

    [3.] Trump refuses to sign bill unless wall money is offered; no immediate action but vetoes all bills. Congress eventually overrides Trump’s veto after weeks or months;

  126. Dan Hayes says:
    @snorlax

    snorlax:

    Osasio’s original (and perhaps current) residence was Parkchester which was developed by Metropolitan Life in the Bronx. Originally it was a bucolic place with tenants registering their newborns for future tenancy. Originally predominantly populated by Irish American civil servants (cops, firemen) but NOT ANY MORE!

  127. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  128. Every foot of permanent secure non-passable fence Trump erects increases his power and reduces the Democrats proportionally. This is why the Democrats have to fight it on the beaches. If all he does is replace the 700 miles of existing dilapidated porous ‘fence’ using military or crowd funded resources it will make building the rest of the wall inevitable. A real fence will be a lot more effective than most Americans can imagine and once it has proven effective it will destroy the credibility of the detractors not only on this subject but on all the other remaining areas that they are opposed to enforcing. Just build the damn thing and in areas that are only 98% effective just build a parallel fence and use more concertina wire. In time it will be as permanent as the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  129. J.Ross says: • Website

    >Trump said “thousands”
    >PANTS ON FIRE!
    >It’s about one thousand a day
    https://postimg.cc/5Xd1PTdX
    He’s still got it, he can still trick his enemies into telling the truth.

  130. @J.Ross

    Ann’s become very very woke in recent years, possibly against her own wishes. At some point most intelligent people just can’t keep fooling themselves. About the ‘who rules’ issue, not just the ‘open borders’ BS.

    One of many things she’s very right about is that if the immivasion flood isn’t reversed, and soon, nothing else will matter, because we won’t have a country anymore.

    • Replies: @Hail
  131. @PhysicistDave

    The country is divided roughly 50/50: the speech was never going to sway a significant number on this issue that has been chewed over for so many years.

    50-50, sure. But one of the great tools that the President has is the ability to talk directly–unfiltered by the liberal establishment media–to the people.

    Trump’s need is precisely to give a speech that does sway a significant number. And on the Wall that is easy to do, because–not very well hidden–the Democratic opposition is because they want open borders / illegal entry. They just don’t want to say they want open borders, they just oppose doing anything to enforce the border. All Trump has to do is unmask this scummy scam and he/we win. The American people are heavily propagandized, but the overwhelming majority still oppose any sort of open border and viscerally understand that it would be a disaster.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  132. @snorlax

    The policeman, Rohil Singh, was an ethnic Indian immigrant from Fiji. Like the golfer Vijay Singh, many Fijian Indians have the last name Singh, but have no connection to Sikhism.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @SporadicMyrmidon
  133. @anonymous

    It was a good speech and will go over well with his base and possibly sway some fence-sitters. The diehard haters won’t listen of course but the point is to minimize and isolate them.

    “When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.”
    — William Blake

  134. @Gman

    I think the “hatred” of Congresswoman OC is not hatred at all:

    Yeah, people hate “socialism” and rightly so, but…

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  135. snorlax says:
    @PiltdownMan

    A reply to my comment before I made it! Correction noted; looks like I have it on good authority.

  136. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    Trump should have ragged on legal immigration – the diversity lottery, chain migration (especially of geriatrics who start getting benefits right away), the anchor-baby loophole. A lot of people hate these things when they are made aware of them. And, ala Alinsky, he should have personalized it. He should have pointed out that all those people who were run over on that Bike Trail in New York City were murdered by a diversity-lottery entrant – the same diversity lottery that Chuck Shumer championed when he was in the House. And he should have pointed out that the Democrats – and a lot of Republicans – want to replace us with foreigners Making the charges bipartisan, in addition to being accurate, builds credibility with swing voters.

    People who have been allowed to say that they don’t like illegal immigration will often still feel the need to defend legal immigration. People who feel permitted to say they don’t like legal immigration – for them, putting the kibosh on illegal immigration will be a given.

  137. @AKAHorace

    Now the left is committed to mass immigration.

    Can you blame them? Lefties look at the utter hellholes of Africa, Asia, and Latin America and exclaim, “Why can’t our country be like that?”

  138. @Jonathan Mason

    Let me guess–you’re a government employee.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  139. Mr. Anon says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I find Ryan absolutely odious. I was surprised to hear Tucker Carlson, in a CSPAN interview, talk of what a truly nice guy Ryan is. I don’t see him that way at all, but I’m judging him by his statements and actions, not a firsthand impression.

    ……….one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.

  140. @PiltdownMan

    Wikipedia (yeah…) reports that a significant number of Sikhs emigrated to Fiji and were more elite than the other Indians there (free vs indentured).

    It does strike me that a study of ethnic and cultural relations on Fiji that eschewed the “blame whitey” angle might be interesting.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Cagey Beast
  141. @Elsewhere

    The border states are full to the brim with Latinos.

  142. Hail says: • Website
    @Hhsiii

    This comment is timestamped way before Steve posted this. Another comment bug?

  143. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    “Be concerned, very concerned that our borders might soon be eliminated. Once they set their eyes on something, it generally gets done.”

    If we had separate countries, that wouldn’t be an issue. Isn’t it clear by now that we need a nationwide divorce? Just let everyone go their separate ways.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @anon
  144. @Redneck farmer

    St. Michael specializes in protection from the snares of the Devil. This is his turf.

  145. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    She’s had another face lift. She can afford a really good natural looking eye job. The surgeon did s terrible job on her eyes.

    And what’s with those 1930s actress artificial eyebrows?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  146. Hail says: • Website

    Not OT despite OT-seeming reference to N.Taleb:

    Two days ago, Mr. Taleb came out with the absurd, troll-like claim that

    Minorities everywhere fare disproportionately well. Disentangling genes from culture impossible.

    ‘Minorities’ … ‘Everywhere’. No further qualification. Straight-up trolling, or does he believe some close version of what he tweeted?

    Taleb’s latest flub in his anti-IQ vendetta is not as unique as it might seem: Lots and lots people are unable to think properly on these issues and readily descend into magical thinking (Magic Dirt), with many believing (or asserting) that immigrants/minorities are ipso facto inherently productive, prosperous, enriching, and even noble(r than natives/[White] majorities). The now-often-heard claim that all immigrants always commit less crime than natives is a form of this.

    I saw echoes of the implied beliefs informing Taleb’s bizarre claim about “minorities” in the Trump Oval Office speech:

    Immigrant Supremacism: When brought on to discuss the issue, lots even of Fox News (((commentators))) come out and say they support open immigration, just not for ‘illegals’; their enthusiasm for legal immigration is never really questioned by any host (Tucker comes closest), but when it is elaborated upon, the impression is often that immigrants are somehow more virtuous than people with multi-generational nativity, maybe even more ‘American’ than them. “America is a nation of immigrants,” they say, and therefore always needs more, more, more. That nation as giant pyramid scheme.

    I don’t recall at any point in the 9-minute Oval Office speech Trump ever challenging this quasi-foundational myth. Trump really doesn’t have moral authority to build a wall, or do anything to limit migration, if an aggressive form of this myth is in place.

    Minority Supremacism: Trump said in his Oval Office speech that the Wall needs to be built because Blacks and Hispanics are being hurt by illegal immigration. This puts the interests of minorities before those of Whites, who Trump (of course) didn’t mention.

    If some nebulous version of Taleb’s “all minorities fare disproportionately well” is believed, it follows that if they don’t, they need to be supported till such time as they do because there must be some malicious force holding them back. We need minorities, and we need to support them, because they (“minorities”) are our moral superiors and through them all nations are blessed.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Harry Baldwin
  147. Kyle says:

    Here is my comment on the cnn video

    Thank you president Trump. This illegal drug nonsense needs to stop. Democrats if it makes you feel any better, the vast majority of immigration is legal. Democrats you can sleep soundly knowing that a physical barrier will not hamper the hopes of the millions of legal migrants that arrive here each year. Democrats a physical barrier will not put a dent into your future demographic conquest. We must come together as Americans and realize that standards and regulations are the basis of an orderly civilization. Standards and regulations create an equal playing field. An orderly society is beneficial for each and every one of us. Chaos is the downfall of civil function. We need a physical barrier to regulate drugs coming into the country. Not doing so is literally killing poor people of non preferred demographics who live outside of urban centers. Democrats please stop the killing. God bless you and give you guidance.

  148. Trump told a bunch of lies about drugs coming in through illegal immigration. Most drugs imported into the US come in through legal ports of entry. A wall won’t do anything to stop that.

  149. @Anon

    Pelosi is 78, right? I’m sure she was a good looking young woman and has the finest plastic surgery imaginable, but still, hasn’t she earned the right to look like the old lady she is?

  150. Anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    Wikipedia (yeah…) reports that a significant number of Sikhs emigrated to Fiji

    I haven’t seen a Sikh at all in Fiji the last 15 years, so Stupedia may be wrong. Maybe they left for NZ or Aus?

  151. The Left seems to be going with “total ownz” like:

    Trump – ” One third of illegals are raped crossing the border”

    MSM – FACT CHECK, 70 TO 80% ARE RAPED. WHAT AN IDIOT.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  152. Anonym says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s easy to be blase about your looks until you start to lose them.

    Which reminds me. The Bustos with the Mostos is back in the news.

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/4/cheri-bustos-dccc-chair-supports-partial-wall-fund/

  153. @Mr. Anon

    How good was “Sid and Nancy”? I was blown away when I saw it in 1986. Both Ebert and Siskel put it in their top 10s for the 1980s although they didn’t put it in their top 10s for 1986. But Alex Cox hasn’t had much success in the third of a century since then, although Gary Oldman (Sid Vicious in it) recently won the Oscar for playing Winston Churchill. But it almost had Tim Roth as Johnny Rotten, which would have made it even better.

    So I dunno.

  154. danand says:

    Long term trends are just not looking so great for a non-Hispanic majority US of A future. Since the Hart-Celler Act was made law in’65 Mexico’s population has nearly tripled (~45M to ~133M) with a current median age @ ~28. Meanwhile the US has “only” grown at a rate a little under half that (~200M to ~330M) over the same period; median age ~38 (~42 for “non-Hispanic”, both non & dispicable, white).

    Maybe if Mexico were to, for a reason I can’t even begin to imagine, start a shooting war with us the current course might change? Wonder which side of the border LaRaza would fight on, if…?

  155. @Svigor

    Something like that will be necessary to effect any change whatsoever.
    I’ve read that the public considers Federal bureaucracies to be “stagnant, unable to see outside themselves, and incapable of self-reform”. This pretty much fits my observations. One has vast integrated software systems doing something (nobody knows quite what) while the patronage employees try to look busy.
    Such a state of ineptitude is not unusual historically, and seems to be the equilibrium state for bureaucracies. One of the acknowledged benefits of war, pre-WW I, was that the “needs of war” provided legitimacy for eliminating old bureaucracies and installing new ones, with new personnel. Contemporary weapons make that benefit minuscule compared to the damage done by war.
    Your suggested course of action might just succeed, given dire enough n0n-war justification for their employment. The situation would have to be pretty dire, though, as welfare state payments and tax collections would not be made during the changeover. On the bright side, insufficient “dire” probably won’t be a problem if we wait a bit.

  156. @Jonathan Mason

    much more bipartisan approach

    If you’re suggesting the _each_ side should have one of these:
    https://sites.google.com/site/renaissancefencingedinburgh/articles/renaissance-weapons-the-partisan

    then maybe. Currently only the Democrats have one, and it’s more of a massacre than a fight.

  157. Realist says:

    Trump will/has cave(d) on the wall.

    • Replies: @Marat
  158. @Lot

    Lot wrote:

    There is already a law passed in the 1970s saying the president can order the military to build necessary structures using spare defense budget cash.

    Do it! Build the Wall and make the Military Industrial Complex pay for it!

    Napolitano, who is not a Trump-hater, doesn’t think Trump can do it legally. Which means that the Dems can certainly do some judge shopping and get it declared illegal.

    No, this is Trump’s “PATCO moment” (i.e., when Reagan fired all the air-traffic controllers). All the pundits said Reagan couldn’t do it; I myself thought it would shut down US air travel. Reagan did it anyway, and the next Presidential election went rather nicely.

    Trump needs to just hang tough, start musing on Twitter about whether we actually need all those unfunded departments, and watch the Dems heads explode.

    (I myself do not care all that much about the Wall: but watching the Dems heads explode — now that will be worth it!)

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @snorlax
    , @J.Ross
  159. Lot says:
    @Hail

    “fare disproportionately well”

    French protestants fare very poorly at wedding parties.

    [MORE]

    Sorry, too soon?

  160. @Neil Templeton

    More often, walls are solid state devices that prevent failure of memory. Frost’s poem is about two neighbors walking along a wall after a cold Winter, repairing frost damage by stacking rocks that have fallen back into the wall. Frost says, in effect, “Hey, lets forget property rights and just let this job go” and his neighbor quotes an aphorism to the effect: “You and I wouldn’t remember where the property line was, we’d have needless disputes when we tried to do different things with the same piece of land. Do you _want_ to fight?”
    Frost apparently thinks to himself “This will sound different in the poem”.

    Geometry was developed, supposedly, in Egypt to mark determine border lines after the annual Flood. The Egyptians used a minimal number of large stones along the borders, and some of them would be washed away every year. The geometry was used to determine whee the missing stones must have been. Walls store information.

    They can also give reaction forces enough time to reach breaching attempts, of course.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Dtbb
  161. Lot says:
    @PhysicistDave

    There are a bunch of cases saying citizens lack standing to challenge government spending that is allegedly illegal. There’s some narrow exceptions that mostly involve spending that endorses a religion.

    I am also not seeing who would face irreparable harm required for an injunction.

    In the Muslim Ban case they had close relatives and colleges who had students who had standing to argue for potential legal immigrants. That just barely and in a limited way made the cut on standing while Kennedy was still on the court.

    That’s also why I say stay away from eminent domain. That creates a potential plaintiff with standing.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  162. @trelane

    But how do you keep legal immigrants out?

    Set an annual limit on total number, and make it include every category, H-1B, ABC, XYZ, lottery, asylum seekers, family members, etc. — and illegals. Force them all to compete for vacancies at the Lazarus Motel.

    Illegals, as counted or estimated, subtract from legals, and vice versa.

    Annually, set the number in a bill or act, the way taxes and budgets are set. Make congressmen and presidents fight over the number in front of the American People. This makes it pretty easy to have public conversations about numbers, the same way people do about taxes.

    This has always been my “flat immigration,” proposal, à la flat tax, and it will never happen.

  163. Lot says:
    @Svigor

    “Take action, fire whichever executive minion obeys the judiciary over the the president, repeat until it sinks in.”

    That’s really dumb.

    1. Judges’ contempt power can have federal marshals arrest and jail executive branch employees who disobey their orders.

    2. Republican senators would convict Trump if he did this

    3. Trump has shown little inclination to use his actual powers to reduce illegal immigration. Renewing TPS for Haiti for example allowed 100k illegals to stay here for example. How about fixing this first? Then maybe we can think about abusing his authority for good ends.

    • Replies: @Bill
  164. @Hail

    It would appear that Anubis has appeared before them and said:

    “You have trained me for a thousand years in the House of the Dead that I might kill kill my son and my father.
    But now you look upon Set the Destroyer
    and your days are numbered.”
    Set (formerly Wakim), from Zelazney’s _Creatures of Light and Darkness”.

    Even fits into J. Peterson’s idea that Set represented the unknown (the “emergent property” in system analysis language), the ultimate destroyer of any human systems. The mark of impending death is upon them people and upon their system, no matter what else may happen.

    As one of Pratchett’s characters Granny Weatherwax, remarked once “It’s all getting myffical”.

    Counterinsurgency.

    • LOL: BB753
  165. Trump depends on getting his base to fight vigorously for him. They were ready to do that last night, 2019/01/08.

    Trump didn’t push the big red button of sealed border enforced by DoD implemented fortification.

    He can still recover _if_ he pushes it after meeting with the Democrats 2019/01/09. He can pass of last night’s (2019/01/08) speech as analogous to a warning order.

    But he’d better do something like that, because the Sun Tzu “on desperate grounds, fight” technique only works if the troops believe that their leadership is prepared to fight.

    If Trump’s base loses faith in Trump, they’ll find somebody else. They have very little choice. That will get messy. Far better for everybody if Trump wins.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Counterinsurgency
  166. @Lot

    Lot wrote to me:

    There are a bunch of cases saying citizens lack standing to challenge government spending that is allegedly illegal. There’s some narrow exceptions that mostly involve spending that endorses a religion.

    It’s Dems in Congress who would sue. And, they would “judge shop” to find a judge who would do it.

    Alas, the details of the law no longer matter much: for our progressive overlords, the law is just one more tool to preserve their power.

    • Replies: @Lot
  167. Shmendrix says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Of course we could have paid for our wall which is mostly a fence without US money, which comes primarily in the form of weapons (the manufacture of which puts Americans to work, and which we would be better off not receiving.)

  168. I don’t know if a wall on the southern border will do much to prevent illegal immigration, since most illegal immigrants enter the country by overstaying their visas.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  169. Dtbb says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Surveying is called the second oldest profession. The Egyptians called them rope stretchers.

  170. TTSSYF says:
    @istevefan

    So many good comments, and only one “Agree” per hour…

    • Agree: Hail
  171. TTSSYF says:
    @Lot

    And he could start with areas that don’t require taking property by imminent domain and private property owners who are willing to sell what’s needed.

  172. TTSSYF says:
    @Hail

    Not a good look. The ridicule on Twitter is well-deserved.

    • Replies: @Hail
  173. TTSSYF says:
    @Prof. Woland

    All one has to do to know that walls work is look at Israel. It wasn’t all that long ago that suicide bombers were routinely blowing themselves up on buses, in stores, on the streets in Israel. When was the last time something like that happened?

  174. @Chrisnonymous

    Let me guess–you’re a government employee.

    You have a 50% chance of being right with your guess–either I am a government employee or I am not. However you are wrong. I work for a publicly traded corporation.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Buck Ransom
  175. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    Agreed. We need to start self-sorting and make the red states redder over time.

    • Replies: @Marquandian Hero
  176. TTSSYF says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Maybe she hasn’t had plastic surgery after all. She looks as “surprised” here as she did last night.

  177. No national emergency.
    No mass deportations.
    No naming of the Jew.
    No mentions of Q or The Plan.
    No bloodpurge of socialists.
    No military coup.
    No mention of PizzaGate
    TRUMP HAS FINALLY CUCKED US.

  178. @AnotherDad

    Seriously, drugs and terrorism are chicken shit issues compared to simply drowning American whites in diversity and stealing the nation their forefathers built.

    That is your opinion, but Trump is arguing that he is shutting down the federal government because of a crime wave on the southern border that more-or-less amounts to a state of emergency. Nothing to do with drowning American whites.

    Trump has said “The federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

    So the Democrats are now refusing to fund border security that was already funded when the Republicans had a majority in the House? The Democrats are refusing to fund the continued existence of ICE, the Coastguard, or Customs and Immigration? Really?

    Did funding for border security only start when Obama left office? Obama was deporting more foreigners than Trump. How did he manage to do this if his own party was implacably in support of “open borders”?

    The fact is that Trump has refused to sign a funding bill that has bipartisan support.

    Trump has said that he prefers to call the shutdown a strike. A strike in which workers are continuing to work without pay? So Trump does not know what the word “strike” means.

    Congress should simply send the same bill daily to the President for his signature. If necessary, fund the other government agencies separately from Homeland Security while discussions continue and politicians visit the southern border to establish the true facts about the current state of emergency, if it exists.

  179. @Jonathan Mason

    Jon,

    The Berlin Wall was keeping people in!

  180. ChrisZ says:
    @e

    Re: The visual of Chuck and Nancy…

    “Cadavers” is good. But I saw them as two vultures, waiting for a beast to breath its last so they can pick the flesh from its carcass.

    Chuck especially, with his hunched shoulders, receding hair and beaky face. But whatever plastic surgery Nancy has had to open up her eyes gives her a creepy raptor look when she’s not actively talking.

  181. @SporadicMyrmidon

    True, if our social scientists were actually doing their job, they’d study places like Fiji, Singapore, Trinidad and the Caribbean generally, in order to give us an idea how importing exotic labour works in the long run.

  182. @PhysicistDave

    The Berlin Wall was keeping people in!

    Well, of course, and would the intention of the Trump wall not be to prevent people from going to and fro, or would it be a one-way wall?

    The Berlin wall, was, of course, not just a wall. There was also a no-go zone, and watchtowers with marksmen.

    I never saw the Berlin wall, but I saw the Iron Curtain in rural Germany in 1965. What I noticed was that on one side a farmer was plowing his field with a Ford tractor, and on the other side another farmer was plowing his field with a horse.

  183. @PhysicistDave

    Didn’t Angela Merkel herself say things to indicate she’s under the impression the Berlin Wall was there to keep people out? I guess it will always be the “Anti-Fascist Defensive Wall” in her East German educated mind.

  184. snorlax says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “Judge” Neapolitan is a Trump-hater.

  185. ChrisZ says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thanks for the reply, Harry. To me, “odious” would be more like Schumer or Nadler: guys who are obvious reptiles, only in it for themselves, and whose salient talent is the ability to say anything to hang on to power. Just looking at them should get visceral alarms clanging.

    I don’t doubt that Ryan is an affable guy, with some real virtues. But in the end he was just a bought-and-paid-for pol. That’s what sets him apart as a villain, instead of just an enemy. He knew better, and he STILL betrayed his party, our people and our country.

  186. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    time zone

  187. @Jack Hanson

    Tighter restrictions on reverse mortgages sent many seniors scrambling to secure the loans ahead of the changes in 2017, which reduced the amount they could borrow by about ten per cent.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  188. Not very impressed with Trump’s argument that lack of fencing/wall is a major reason for drug deaths within the US.

    I am not being very original in pointing out that Oxycontin is manufactured in the US, that a lot of deadly Fentanyl has been imported from Chine, poppies are a major crop in Afghanistan, cocaine is largely grown in South America and comes in via aircraft, legal ports of entry in shipping containers, and across the border in cars on roads at existing border crossings, that a great deal of methamphetamine is manufactured in cottage-industry labs within the US, and that several states have, or are in the process of legalizing marijuana for medical and/or recreational use.

    However, the President has been pretty sluggish in responding to the Oxycontin/Fentanyl crisis, and I suppose he could respond to that state of emergency by using health dollars to pay for border fencing, if he is so certain that this is one way to save lives from drug overdoses. Personally, I doubt whether he gets the best bang for his buck that way, but in the long run the voters will have the last word.

  189. dvorak says:
    @AnotherDad

    unless we have conservatives who are willing to–politely but firmly–take on Jewish minoritarianism

    George HW Bush politely but firmly tried to attach a condition to Israel’s annual take from the US Treasury – and was forever smeared as an antisemite after that.

    Unfortunately, we’re still a ways from “conservative” American politicians acting like they actually want to conserve America for Americans.

    It would take brass balls on a billionaire (financially independent). The only one that fits that description is already President.

  190. Marat says:
    @Realist

    Care to be more specific?

    • Replies: @Realist
  191. dvorak says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Trump failed to make that case that the situation on the southern border was anything remotely approaching a state of emergency, or worth closing the government over.

    That’s not how the Constitution works with regard to “worth closing the government over,” but you’re a neolib and the Constitution doesn’t matter to you. Only technocracy exists to you.

    The House has the power of the purse. All laws including spending laws must be passed (Senate/President) in order to spend. That’s all the Constitution has to say about the matter of government spending on the executive branch and transfer payments such as food stamps and farm subsidies.

  192. J1234 says:

    And Trump couldn’t get this done with a Republican House because…why?

    On the other hand, going to battle over this issue with the most radically leftist House in memory could become another promising (and unintentional) “re-elect Trump in 2020” windfall. I really like seeing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez become the radical left’s Sarah Palin right before my eyes.

  193. bomag says:
    @Gman

    …commit less crime

    Our host, Unz, has great fun with this; never any acknowledgement that reported; prosecuted; and incarcerated crime versus actual crime are different things in this world.

    Opposition to immigration shouldn’t rest just on crime. We certainly don’t want immigrants solely because they reflect a lower crime rate than current citizens.

  194. @Stonewall Jackson

    can dopey old Warren Buffet also not see that the open door is going to lead to that 70 percent tax rate for his rich old white arse

    If I had billions in assets already, I’m trying to think of a reason why I would particularly care about a 70 percent tax on my future income. Drawin’ a blank….

  195. Hail says: • Website
    @dvorak

    AOC

    Am I the only one tired of the constant coverage of this ridiculous woman?

    She is a kind of con-artist, and not just because of her fraudulent biography. She is a highly loyal servant of the regime and knows exactly what to say to please the regime. I would point to her glowing, beatification-like eulogy of John McCain, calling him the great American of all time, and to her convenient revelation followed by prideful boasting about hitherto unknown, partial Jewish ancestry.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Corn
    , @PhysicistDave
  196. fnn says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    This is a trivial matter. What you Masters of the Universe (and those who identify with them) need to concentrate on is the African overpopulation crisis.

  197. The president doesn’t need court or congressional approval. He has the funds, and he has the resources to get it done via the COAE – period.

    He should do so.

  198. peterike says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I never saw the Berlin wall, but I saw the Iron Curtain in rural Germany in 1965. What I noticed was that on one side a farmer was plowing his field with a Ford tractor, and on the other side another farmer was plowing his field with a horse.

    The side with the horse was better off.

  199. @Hail

    Minorities everywhere fare disproportionately well. Disentangling genes from culture impossible.

    Titania McGrath, watch out! N. Taleb is stealing your material!

  200. Corn says:
    @Hail

    I’m tired of hearing about her too.

    I don’t want to sound like a white knight but I wish all the conservatives attacking her in the media would lay off awhile.

    I mean really, she primaried an older politician who probably took his damn seat for granted and then won what was already a deep blue district. Normally that might get you a few headlines then you start warming your seat.

    I think all these attacks give her a higher profile than she deserves. Just ignore the dingbat for a while.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  201. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    IDK, I just want to know what Alejandra Ocasio-Cortez thinks first. I mean she has so much like life knowledge and political savvy. By which I mean, she fits the suit. Any stupid dipshit can go on 60 minutes and parrot DNC talking points. And she’s a 4. Oh wow. Have any of you ever seen an actually good looking woman, those who are automatically spotting women 5 points on the 10 point scale, by which I mean all of you?

    I’m not even joking, I’ve lived harder than she has. I’ve lived longer in the countries where her ancestors come from. And I’m upper middle class WHITE. So I want to see her fuckin Connecticut ass try to throw down. Tryna act all hard an shizz. And yes I realize that’s a 90s mannerism. Where’s my senate seat and why isn’t the media celebrating me? It’s all about who fits the suit you stupid faggots.

    • Replies: @Hail
  202. Xylon says:
    @attilathehen

    I keep saying, if Trump could make e-verify a requirement for employment, AND for renting an apartment, as well as a 5% tax on all remittances, a sizable chunk of illrgals would self-deport.

    Levying large fines against landlords who rent to illegals would have a dual effect of mitigating the housing shortage in Southern California, as well as our ever-present water shortage issues. With Yale University’s recent estimate of over 22 MILLION illegals scattered across this country, an estimate of 1 million of them in Southern California isn’t over generous. If we could encourage half of that number to self-deport via the above strategies, it would be a major economic boon for the state.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  203. Bill says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    But geez, can dopey old Warren Buffet also not see that the open door is going to lead to that 70 percent tax rate for his rich old white arse and maybe the future Institutional Revolutionary Party members won’t let those rich white folks slide with umpteen million tax shelters…

    The white elites do just fine in Mexico. Warren Buffet is a subsidy queen looking forward to even bigger slices of corruption as the US decays. Buzzards, maggots, and bacteria like dead things.

  204. @Jonathan Mason

    Thank you Corvinus for your 9 (NINE!) comments on this thread.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  205. danand says:

    In 2018 Latin music overtakes Country

    “2018 represented another year of the Latin-music scene growing in significant and mainstream ways, and a new year-end report puts into perspective just how competitive it is among other top music genres.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbenjamin/2019/01/04/latin-music-in-2018-album-song-sales-consumption-buzzangle-report/#7af7211e5add

    Back a couple of decades I lived adjacent to a house rented by a nice Hispanic family. Many nights they hosted backyard parties that wound down at daylight. Of course they wouldn’t have been properer parties without the accompanying 90db+ mariachi and grito.

    My wife, who is typically much more proactive than myself, began a routine of calling in complaints to the police. Every once in a while the parties would abruptly end within a an hour of one of those calls.

    Maybe I should have just joined the party?

  206. @jill

    Even better would be to withhold all EITC payments that have fraudulent SS numbers.

  207. @Hail

    Trump should’ve issued an Executive Order putting an “indefinite hold” on the insane Diversity Visa Lottery the day after he won at the Sup Court with the “travel ban” case last June. During the campaign he criticized politicians by saying all they do is “just talk, talk, talk;” well with him all he does is tweet tweet tweet.

    IMO, issuing his long rumored but never delivered executive order on birthright citizenship would be more effective as staving off demographic replacement then even building a wall. The 8 month pregnant women or females planning to get pregnant once they get in the US would slow to a trickle and you’d mostly have men making the arduous journey instead- esp if you got a 1982 SCOTUS decision forcing schools to admit illegal aliens overturned. Most countries have universal primary education these days- deport mother and children so they can get their free education in Mexico or wherever.

    • Replies: @Hail
  208. bomag says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    … in the long run the voters will have the last word

    I wouldn’t be so sure. Insiders eventually capture the thing.

    fencing/wall… drug deaths

    Trying to control things from the supply side is a game of whack-a-mole, but it is worth an effort.

  209. @Xylon

    Excellent. Here’s something else no one mentions – Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback program. Trump and his administration need to look at this and try to implement it for 2019.

    Again, all of this is Trump’s fault. I know the GOP hates him, but he did nothing for two years. When Sessions was AG, this cuck did nothing. What is the new AG doing? Federale had an excellent article as to what else Trump can do.

    https://vdare.com/posts/trump-s-failure-to-take-executive-action-as-much-at-fault-as-deep-state-and-resistance-for-immigration-failures

    Also, why isn’t Kris Kobach being offered a job? Trump knows him. Kobach is smart, young and has the energy to deal with the immigration crisis.

  210. L Woods says:

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/01/07/trump-reasserts-he-can-use-military-funds-to-build-the-southern-border-wall/

    “There is a provision in law that says the president can declare an emergency,” he said on the program. “It’s been done a number of times. But primarily it’s been done to build facilities in Afghanistan and Iraq. In this case, I think the president would be wide open to a court challenge saying, where is the emergency.

    LMAO how did we/I miss this gem.

  211. @anon

    I like that he called out the politicians who oppose the wall but build a wall/fence around their own home, “not because they hate the people outside, but because they love the people inside.” That was a nice touch.

    Well that’s good to hear, Anon[118]. I’d come up with that hate vs. love bit myself.

    Speechwriting isn’t very hard for the nationalist cause … because nationalism is the natural organic feeling of normal people. People much prefer living with those of a shared language, heritage, culture and building a future with them for our children.

    The hate vs. love thing isn’t just about a wall, it applies to nationalism in general. I don’t hate any other nations and peoples. Mexicans, Hondurans, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Israelis, Arabs, Persians, Africans, etc. etc. I want them to do well, improve life for themselves in their nations. But i’m an American and more broadly–Steve’s concentric loyalties–a part of Western civilization. What I care most about is my children, my nation, my civilization. I want to see them prosper and thrive. Not because I hate others, but because I love them.

    The people demonstrating hate here are the globalists who want to trash nations–snuff them out–and particularly seem to have a ravenous desire to kill off white Western nations. Those people are the ones spreading hate. And i save all my hate and aim it right back at them.

  212. Realist says:
    @Marat

    Care to be more specific?

    Trump had two years with Republican control of the House and Senate, and didn’t do a god damn thing on the wall.

    How’s that???

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jonathan Mason
  213. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Trump depends on getting his base to fight vigorously for him. They were ready to do that last night, 2019/01/08.

    i don’t even listen to his lies any more and i hope both he and his oldest two sons go to jail, ivanka too

    f’ing traitor

  214. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Trump had two years with Republican control of the House and Senate, and didn’t do a god damn thing on the wall.

    How’s that???

    and did nothing on E-Verify, and didn’t go after employers that hire illegals, and did nothing to curtail all these H1B, X2C, T3B, W7Z etc etc visas, so every shitstain on the planet can come here and underbid your jobs

    • Replies: @Realist
  215. Bill says:
    @Lot

    Yup. Judicial power can be reigned in within the Constitutional order via the other two branches acting in unison (as in FDR’s time). Outside the Constitutional order, it requires enough of the military to want to change things (Marines trump Marshals, e.g.). Neither of these conditions is remotely close to being satisfied.

  216. @Autochthon

    Did you type that while cracking a Monster Ultra Zero?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  217. Bill says:
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    He didn’t fiddle fuck around. He passed a big tax cut for the rich. Make the reasonable inference:
    that’s what he cares about.

  218. @William Badwhite

    One comment under an obvious pseudonym counts as ten comments under your own name. The name Corvinus is a pseudonym used by a poster who is apparently a fan of Edgar Allen Poe.

    Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night’s Plutonian shore!”
    Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”

  219. My first thought is: Chuck & Nancy want to humiliate Trump as viciously as possible and that means voting against the wall. I don’t see why they would change their mind or what leverage Trump has over them. Yet, this wasn’t a surprise. Of course, the Democrats had every intention of obstructing the wall. That was predictable to everyone on Trump’s team. I see Trump deliberately drumming up publicity over this border wall conflict. He clearly has something planned after this. But I can’t see what that is.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  220. @Realist

    Trump had two years with Republican control of the House and Senate, and didn’t do a god damn thing on the wall.

    How’s that???

    Early Symptoms of Dementia

    In addition to difficulty remembering, the person may also experience impairments in:

    language
    communication
    focus
    reasoning

    https://www.healthline.com/health/dementia/early-warning-signs#symptoms

    • Replies: @Realist
  221. @Steve Sailer

    Someone please tell her she’ll look twenty-five years younger when she’s dead.

  222. MarkinLA says:

    Trump should offer the Democrats the repeal of the carried interest deduction and use it to pay for the wall. This is the deduction Ryan snuck in for hedge fund managers and Trump campaigned against.

  223. @Labatt Blu

    Yeah! What about the multi-millions of illegals already here? To that extent the barn door closed and the horse has long since galloped off. The wall should’ve been built 25 years ago but the country was too busy arguing over HillaryCare while basking in the glow of the ever rising Dow Jones (thanks to Reagan/Bush, not to that Arkansas con man). Face it, we have only ourselves to blame for this mess. The wall may possibly be too little-too late though I have no problem with building it-doing something is better than doing nothing. Anyone, though, who thinks this is going to solve a problem that has been festering for over a generation is kidding themselves.

  224. @Luke Lea

    Late to this thread I know, but my impression is that, for whatever reason, his heart really wasn’t in it.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  225. @Jonathan Mason

    poppies are a major crop in Afghanistan,

    Poppies are also a major crop in Mexico. From what I’ve read, most of the Afghani heroin goes to Europe while we get most of ours from Mexico.

  226. J.Ross says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    NPR is just re-running the same namecalling, they’re not arguing or introducing new ideas. Right-wing radio was probing why we need “non-essential personnel” from day one.

  227. @Russ

    Shouldn’t that be “The John McCain Award for Treason”?

    The Greek Dykes are betraying their country in the time honored McCain fashion: a stab in the back.

  228. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Are you arguing that Mexico will shoot ahead of us, using an American product?

  229. @Asdf

    Ah, if only they would!

  230. @Steve Sailer

    A very attractive young woman–had that ripe curvy brown-eyed Italian girl thing really going on. And she aged pretty well too. Five kids and i’d say she stayed top 10% for her age every step of the way.

    But her “ideas” and “leadership”–a joke. She parrots whatever the latest line from her Wa-Wa (the Wall Street-Washington axis of evil) masters. And often does it ridiculously clumsily like dreams-are-out-future and illegals-did-a-great-thing-bringing-their-kids here.

    It’s embarrassing to be an American and think 300 million people and these are our leaders?

    • Replies: @Paul Yarbles
  231. @Corn

    I think that she should be goaded to the full extent of the law.

    I think questions like “Can Congress do that?”, Are you sure that’s what the American People want?” etc etc will provide great ammo for 2020.

  232. @AnotherDad

    And let us not forget the wonderful time Pelosi made clear the hideousness of Whiteness using the words of a child…

    “This was such a proud day for me because when my grandson blew out the candles on his cake, they said, ‘Did you make a wish?’… He said, ‘I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.’ So beautiful, so beautiful. The beauty is in the mix,” she told her House colleagues.

    https://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/08/nancy-pelosis-grandson-wishes-he-had-brown-skin-and-brown-eyes

    • Replies: @Hail
  233. bjondo says:

    Better than opposition.
    Will win again in 2019, 2020.

    Glenn Greenwald release anymore
    of Snowden’s ill-gotten treasure?

  234. @Hail

    Chuck looked especially sinister and evil last night.
    His soul was peeking through.

  235. @Jonathan Mason

    Does this publicly traded corporation depend to a significant degree on the employment or patronage of illegal aliens?

  236. @Jonathan Mason

    Jon wrote:

    Well, of course, and would the intention of the Trump wall not be to prevent people from going to and fro, or would it be a one-way wall?

    Are you being facetious? You don’t really think Trump is trying to keep Americans from leaving, do you?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  237. @Counterinsurgency

    And it looks like Trump will declare National Emergency. His meeting with the Democrats today (2018/01/09) shows good faith met with bad faith, a last ditch but sincere attempt to avoid the collateral damage of a National Emergency in the present political environment.

    He still has time. Not much time, but time.

    Counterinsurgency

  238. Lot says:
    @PhysicistDave

    A quick search finds several law profs who agree with me on standing. Jeffrey Toobin is a leftie and says so. Another two I haven’t heard of William Banks and John Banzhaf, agree as well.

    People mention Truman’s steel mill seizure case, but that involved people losing private property.

    The limited times the House or Senate have standing have all been to argue something is unconstitutional, not that a statue is being implemented incorrectly. And even those “Congressional standing” cases have never been endorsed by the Supreme Court.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  239. Hail says: • Website
    @Paul Yarbles

    He said, ‘I wish I had brown skin and brown eyes like Antonio.’ So beautiful, so beautiful. The beauty is in the mix,”

    One word:

    Ethnomasochism.

  240. @Autochthon

    Pretty mad you got suckered in on a reverse mortgage huh?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  241. J.Ross says: • Website

    Anon said:
    CBS hides 4/5 rape figure after correcting Trump’s 1/3 rape figure Anonymous 01/09/19 (Wed) 14:56:20 b6cbdc No.12654039>>12654395 >>12654435 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

    CBS hides RAPE

    >Trump says Democrats have refused to acknowledge a crisis

    Search for this phrase in https://www.winknews.com/2019/01/08/trump-urges-wall-funding-to-fix-border-crisis/ and you will see immediately preceding it:

    Fact check: Number of women sexually assaulted on trip to border

    >CLAIM: The president claimed one in three women have been sexually assaulted traveling to the border.

    FACT: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates.

    The AI source they used was https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/gender-based-violence-against-women-both-cause-migration-and-risk-along-journey

    [MORE]

    They removed this (as well as another fact check about Trump understating the drug deaths) from their copy at https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-primetime-address-to-nation-speech-announcement-border-wall-fight-government-shutdown-today/ but since WinkNews carries the old copy they still have it.

    There is a CBSnews.com archive with the phrase at http://archive.is/SmnCf#selection-1237.0-1249.1

    https://twitter.com/thedonaldreddit/status/1082825405063720960 seems to have broke the story (associated thread https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/ae5vaz/cbs_news_deletes_fact_check_that_proved_president/ by GenderLuquid) with https://www.infowars.com/cbs-news-deletes-viral-fact-check-on-migrant-women-raped-crossing-southern-border/ following up on it.

    They still have a fact check up on Twitter https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1082879542723821569

    I just archived it at https://web.archive.org/web/20190109195430/https:/twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1082879542723821569 and http://archive.is/ePuli in case they end up taking it down. Retweet while you can!

  242. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    Ann’s become very very woke in recent years, possibly against her own wishes

    In a Dec. 2018 iSteve thread, there was a discussion of what Ann Coulter’s turning point may have been (see comment-128 in that thread and replies).

    The 2006 Amnesty push looks decisive for Ann’s shift towards away from R-team cheerleading and towards ethnonationalism:

    [MORE]

    Ibound1 says:
    [Dec. 11, 2018]

    Ann Coulter was a big W. cheerleader as far as I remember

    Hail says:

    I wonder what caused her change from bland, R-team cheerleader (1990s through the mid 2000s[?]), to Ethnonationalist by the 2010s.

    (Tucker’s trajectory is comparable.)

    Ibound1 says:

    It is easy to see after the fact. Ann sees after the fact. […] Now that it is pretty much too late, Ann has crystal clear vision.

    Charles Pewitt says:

    Ann Coulter was rather late in her vehemence regarding nation-wrecking mass immigration and its destructive impact on the United States, but she is now much better than Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham and Jebby Bush on mass immigration.

    Ann Coulter in 2015: [quotes Coulter quasi-ethnonationalist commentary]

    Hail says:

    When, exactly, did she “come out”?

    istevefan says:

    Didn’t she write the book, ‘Adios America’?

    Hail says:
    Re: istevefan

    “Adios America”
    Print Length: 400 pages
    Publisher: Regnery Publishing
    Publication Date: June 1, 2015

    June 2015; Sometimes life is delightfully poetic — this is the very same month the MAGA movement was born (June 16, 2015: Trump announces his campaign by alleging Mexico is not sending its best). She couldn’t have known what was to come.

    (See here for the MAGA epitaph [#230].)

    Needless to say, Ann never would have published the same book in 2005…though, as others have said above, it was really an idea whose time had come by the period 2000 to 2005. VDare and Steve Sailer (then scribbling away on the old iSteve.com) were holding the banners that Ann and Tucker have taken up of late.

    Lot says:

    Ann posted many anti amnesty articles when Bush was pushing it in 2006

    Hail says:
    Re: Lot

    SE PUEDE GET TWO YEARS TAX-FREE!
    May 31, 2006

    I believe May 2006 was the very peak of the bipartisan amnesty push that was, as if by miracle, defeated in the end. It was very close (acc. to my recollection).

    Was the 2006 amnesty push Ann’s turning point? Reading through the column 12.5 years later, she is not 2010s-Ann yet; “immigr-” is always preceded by “illegal.”

    Until someone presents better information, I have to assume Ann Coulter (b.1961)’s political turning point is closely aligned with the amnesty push of 2006. Whether this was preceded by a years-long internal struggle we cannot say; what does seem certain is that her rhetoric as of the mid-late 2010s seems noticeably different from her rhetoric from her time as a rising R-team cheerleader in the late 1990s to mid 2000s.

    (I would note that during the peak of the most serious Bush-era Amnesty push, an effort that crested in May 2006, Ann was 44, never married, and childless; she would turn 45 later that year. Perhaps factoring into her ‘turn’ towards her present soft-ethnonationalism is her own biological-clock disappointment.)

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  243. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    I’ve lived harder than she has. […] Where’s my senate seat and why isn’t the media celebrating me?

    Thinking about all possibilities) Is there a Manchurian Candidate scenario here? Not in the literal sense (mind control) but in the sense that she is even more of a puppet than the average politician. In other words, there is a conspiracy afoot and we’re all its dupes, except those who refuse to talk about her.

    Given her unexplained and frankly weird media promotion campaign (more than all other House members put together?), and her fraudulent biography, among other things, I have to wonder.

  244. Hail says: • Website
    @Lucas McCrudy

    Why is Tucker not pushing this talking point?

    TC is a comm line to the President. Every show could have a small segment under the theme “End the Insane Diversity Visa Lottery now.” Like the TV stations did in 1979-1981 with the number of days Iran held those U.S. hostages, I can imagine a “Days since Trump inauguration that he has made no action on”:

    – Fraudulent citizenships (anchor babies and birth tourism)
    – The insane Diversity Visa Lottery
    – etc.

  245. @PhysicistDave

    Are you being facetious? You don’t really think Trump is trying to keep Americans from leaving, do you?

    Would there not be people who would like to cross the border in both directions without going through passport control, presumably for nefarious purposes? The people who are seeking asylum obviously desire to turn themselves in, but drug smugglers and gangsters?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  246. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Their congressional salaries are chump change compared to their actual worth.

    • Replies: @Realist
  247. Realist says:
    @anon

    and did nothing on E-Verify, and didn’t go after employers that hire illegals, and did nothing to curtail all these H1B, X2C, T3B, W7Z etc etc visas, so every shitstain on the planet can come here and underbid your jobs

    There’s all that too.

  248. @SporadicMyrmidon

    A winsome lass can be a very persuasive argument with ‘nary a word spoken.

  249. Realist says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Sorry to hear of your affliction. Maybe you’ll get better.

  250. Realist says:
    @Simply Simon

    Their congressional salaries are chump change compared to their actual worth

    .

    Their intrinsic worth is chump change compared to their congressional salaries.

    FIFY

  251. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Diversity Heretic

    Late to this thread I know, but my impression is that, for whatever reason, his heart really wasn’t in it.

    The problem is that his brain is not into it, or into much of anything.

  252. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Historically speaking, we were the only ones with border control of any kind. Going to Mexico through an official crossing meant walking or driving to Mexico. Coming back meant time with an American officer, however token. Mexicans had an emergency response procedure and could theoretically stop and search anybody. They generally didn’t.
    Because of that whole thing about Mexicans not taking care of their country.

  253. Lagertha says:
    @Thagomizer

    Agree. He needs to break them badly…or bigly.

    Norway, btw, is building a beautiful wall/fencing system in the Arctic region – for too long, human traffickers have come up from Eastern Russia (Chechnyans) bringing MENA men to Lapland.

    Finland has always had a very ingenious wall (particularly the wide swath of giant, shed-sized boulders – placed after WW2 – running about 800 miles), a patrolled fence (by non-conscripted soldiers) along the entire border with Russia. However, same problem with Lapland area, as far as jihadi infiltration; but for now, they are doing drone patrols and physical patrols. That area is still deadly, almost year round/no roads/no food & bears, wolves, wolverines. Not all bears hibernate. I think the famous Norwegian cross country skier

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  254. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    Ketil Ulvang (Norwegian Olympian) was presumed killed by a bear as his body was never found one winter in the 90’s while he was skiing in Lapland.

  255. Lagertha says:
    @Massimo Heitor

    Democrats are gonna get killed on this– my prediction: Public is waking up. The bashing of white this and white privilege that is so out in the open, as is the glorification of diversity and multiculturalism (- has peaked; for the same reason that Oscar contender films are sooooo boring and treacly)….I was sooo disappointed with Mary Queen of Scots.

    The fight over the border will be the biggest mistake the Democrats finally made. There will be a redux of the 2016 win: suburbanites will not vote against their children and grandchildren’s interests. Of course, people will hide their feelings and thoughts more than ever…it is down to atavistic survival instincts…especially with every new article glorifying AI and robotics, and the Technocracy in general.

    There is no way that average people (including Democrats) will pay for social welfare benefits for illegals and their progeny. It’s too absurd and really, abhorrent.

  256. @Lot

    Lot wrote to me:

    A quick search finds several law profs who agree with me on standing. Jeffrey Toobin is a leftie and says so. Another two I haven’t heard of William Banks and John Banzhaf, agree as well.

    It does not matter what the law profs say. What matters is what the courts do. Perhaps you have not noticed, but the courts really, really do not like Trump.

  257. @Hail

    Hail wrote:

    AOC

    Am I the only one tired of the constant coverage of this ridiculous woman?

    She is a kind of con-artist, and not just because of her fraudulent biography. She is a highly loyal servant of the regime and knows exactly what to say to please the regime.

    Of course, but she is also obviously, gloriously insane — so cutely perky and so clearly clueless.

    We want her to become the voice of the Dems because the sixty percent of the country that is still somewhat sane cannot possibly support her.

    I’m supporting AOC for Prez in 2020: sure the silly old Constitution says she can’t run, but that is just age discrimination, a violation of equal protection, and therefore a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    As Mencken said, “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” Or to misquote Lincoln, “God must have loved the idiots ’cause he made so many of them!”

    AOC-2020 — Because Morons Deserve a Shot Too!

  258. @TTSSYF

    Inclined to agree with this sentiment. If one were thinking strategically, though, might there be more of a near term advantage to conservative, non GOPe blue state residents like myself instead moving to swing states to try to politically hold the electoral line (e.g. NJ to PA or IL to WI), or do you believe it would be more effective, for survival on many levels, just to consolidate numbers in the reddest of places now (CT to AL)? I’ve internally debated that question a lot.

  259. TTSSYF says:

    Good question. I think moving to swing states to help hold the line does make sense in the near term. It sort of describes my situation, where my family members and I, and others like us, are doing all we can to keep this purple state from flipping to blue. We’re nearing the tipping point, I fear. I’m fortunate enough to have a vacation home in a very red state (the uninformed can continue to give me a hard time about having a vacation place in a “redneck” state — it’s okay by me, since I don’t want them there), so if / when my swing state flips completely, I will change my residency so I can start voting in the red state.

  260. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Lagertha

    There is no way that average people (including Democrats) will pay for social welfare benefits for illegals and their progeny. It’s too absurd and really, abhorrent.

    I wish what you were saying was true, but it isn’t.

    Democratic voters are loyal to the Democrats. And that includes white Democratic voters.

    I have yet to meet a member of the Chicago Teacher’s union, black or white, who could possibly stray from the Democratic party. And they revered Obama and Hillary.

    To not vote Democrat is to be an apostate.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  261. @Anonymous

    Your predictable tweet from Matt Viser
    Is scarcely a witty surpriser.
    Grandpa came by the rules,
    Which seems lost on the fools
    Who pretend to think lawlessness wiser.

  262. @Lagertha

    Somebody’s going to get killed. That’s the nature of fundamental conflicts.

    Think of the blue collar line workers who committed suiciide during the formation of the Rust Belt. Those deaths can be directly attributed to the policy makes who traded of US industrialization for an overseas alliance and the industrialization of USSR foes. This policy was continued after the Cold War supposedly ended in AD 1990, a development that can be traced back to the Left’s 1960s decision to destroy the working class.
    Line from _Serpents Reach_: “So many killed, yet not enough are dead”. The protagonist of _Macbeth_ found that, it’s a standard problem in politics and has been for a long time.

    The successor to deindustrialization turned out to be the current policy of rule based on foreign nationals dumb enough (“low IQ enough”) to support the Left. As with almost all Grand Strategies, that one has failed for obvious reasons: the foreign nationals want (of course) _their own_, _ethnic_ socialism, not the European ethnic socialism embodied (or perhaps embalmed) by Pelosi and Schumer.

    PhysicistDave has written (this comment page) “AOC-2020 — Because Morons Deserve a Shot Too!” All readers should consider Haiti, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, South Africa, in which a population with a mental age of perhaps 10 years old (which defined “moron” originally) has flat out won, and either has or is displacing the last remnant of the Europeans _RFN_. Or consider California, which is sort of like a giant zombie with a few really smart guys looking out windows in its forehead.

    Note that there are different words for “smarter” and “victor”. There’s a reason for that. Smarter guys haven’t always won. This contest is intense now, and could well remain so, even intensify.

    Which is not what I want, I’m probably going to end up caught in the overkill, but, hey, doesn’t mean I have to lie.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Lagertha
  263. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    walls, as a concept, belong to a previous century

    And hence, somehow, immoral. If is as they say it is,

    where are the regular denunciations on the House floor and Senate floor of Israel’s wall? Where are the demands by leading moralist Congresspersons to freeze the heavy U.S. subsidy to Israel until the latter’s ‘immoral’ wall comes down?

  264. @istevefan

    Be concerned, very concerned that our borders might soon be eliminated. Once they set their eyes on something, it generally gets done.

    Depressing because accurate. Nothing our Ruling Class wants will be denied.

    They hold the whip hand, above all control of the flow of ‘information’.

    Which is why we get ‘deplatformed’–nothing’s more important.

  265. @Travis

    And if they whine, remind them that the POC ascendancy is demanding a 70% income tax–and that only because they’re too dim to recognize the political and economic value of a wealth tax.

    Do like (other) banana republics and deny them the right to repatriate their wealth to Hong Kong or Monaco while we’re at it. Though many have already done so.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  266. @Jack Hanson

    Childish mudslinging. Automan is way too young and way too smart. Sorry

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Jack Hanson
  267. @Counterinsurgency

    Counterinsurgency wrote to me:

    PhysicistDave has written (this comment page) “AOC-2020 — Because Morons Deserve a Shot Too!” All readers should consider Haiti, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, South Africa, in which a population with a mental age of perhaps 10 years old…

    I was sort of, you know, making fun of AOC.

    I do think she will be the gift that keeps on giving: she is so proud of being a dingbat that even the elite media is going to get sick of her.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  268. @Mr McKenna

    Let’s see if I can remember my characteristics as documented by the most astute folks:

    – I’m with her! (Hillary Clinton)
    – I’m a he-man woman-hater.
    – I’m a baby-booner (with a reverse-mortgage I regret!)
    – I married a mestiza
    – I’m a drooling idiot with very low intelligence
    – I’m childless and no woman will have me
    – I’m a communist
    – I’m European
    – I’m a “white trashionalist” [sic]
    – I’m unemployed, or at least destitute

    (I’m probably Elvis, too; it’s hard to keep track!)

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
  269. Lagertha says:
    @lavoisier

    I disagree with you. I have witnessed “nice white ladies” starting to talk in code that they are worried about the gleeful attitude of Democrats (or a-holes who vote for Democrats) that the white population is declining; young whites marry less; white babies are racist*; men are hopelessly full of toxic masculinity; and, the mother load to their graduating STEM children: H1B visa workers being cheaper (and more desirable) for the likes of the SV corporations (and others across the country) really scares the heck out of suburban parents who have paid a lot to launch their child. Tables are turning fast.

    Of course, no one will admit this to anyone (even family). There is great malaise in the Bay Area as Millennials are hired chiefly for contract work (no benefits, no full-time)…I would not be surprised if some Yellow Vest situation percolates here. But chiefly, Boomer and Gen X parents are waking up to the reality that their white progeny are being maligned constantly. Not a day goes by where the word “white” precedes something negative in print, on-line, or on-air…or spewed from the serpentine mouthes of Democrats in Congress.

    90% of the Oscar contender films attack and villify: whites, Western civilization, Christians, conservatives, Republicans, white children/teens; heterosexuality; monogamy; self control; self-reliance; and basically, decency. This alone, is very evident in my normie town as the movie houses are not making coin. Everything always comes down to money.

    *Steve’s post on an article some time ago.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  270. Lagertha says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Exactly. For instance, Democrats (and the NYT) have a fetish for all things Finnish these days, which is so hilarious!

    In Finland, all those people would be taxed at 98%. People who are taxed at 70% are basically, any person earning about 1.5 million dollar per year! Finland taxes all your assets…all your vehicles, boats, properties, investment income, savings, inheritance, etc.

    From what I hear, it is harder and harder to hide money in some island nation’s bank/Switzerland/Monaco. The EU bureaucrats of course, have different rules for their families – it is truly, abhorrent. So, I welcome AOC wanting to tax everyone 70% (including her fellow, 2nd-4th+ terms Democrat Congresspeople) who fall into millionaire category. I made a bet that she will cave…with someone (a liberal) who hates to lose.

  271. Lagertha says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    yeah, agree, for the most part. I am extremely pessimistic; or, I have a fortress mentality; I have become a lioness in winter, and am preparing my children to survive (all my resources go to them) as long as they can, in some dystopian world.

    However, I am experiencing many people waking up to the real, diabolical and duplicitous machinations of the Left – fearful realizations coming from East Asians and Central Asian (Indians/Armenians/Iranians) friends.

    Trump would never have won (because: his past behavior; and, obvious strange way of talking) if people were not becoming more woke ( I hate that word, more than, “it’s not who we are.”) The Democrats should read Moby Dick.

  272. @snorlax

    This is from the latest column on Unz by Paul Craig Roberts:

    Every 18 months the US government hands over to Israel enough money to build Trump’s wall. Israel had no hesitation in using Americans’ money to build its wall, which keeps Palestinians out of Palestine. It is OK with the US Congress for Americans to finance Israel’s construction of a wall that keeps a people out of their own country, but it is not OK for Trump to use American money to keep illegal immigrants out of the United States.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.unz.com/proberts/americans-need-a-congress-that-represents-americans/

  273. @Mr McKenna

    You sound menopausal. Are you Mrs. Cthon?

  274. @Autochthon

    I really struck a nerve if your response is auto-masochism.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  275. I dont know , but i dont like that man

    My opinion tho

  276. @PhysicistDave

    Yes, even I could see you were making fun. Sometimes it’s worthwhile to take statements said in jest seriously. Sometimes these statements are whistling past the graveyard, a way of saying in jest what people can’t say in earnest.

    In this scene Lear has lost everything, and is wandering in the dark woods with his fool.
    Fool: Why does a snail have a house on his back?
    Lear: why, fool?
    Fool: Not to give away!

    That sort of thing is what I mean. AOC won’t win, in my estimation, but it’s because her power relies on a united Democratic party, the same party she’s trying to fragment. Her backers, who I think simply want the US weak and out of play, probably realize that she’s not too bright, and need a useful idiot to light the fuse to the charge under the Democrats.

    Counterinsurgency

  277. @Lagertha

    See: _Understanding Postmodernism_, Hicks.

    Hicks takes an intellectual approach to Postmodernism, emphasizing history and philosophical foundation. Doesn’t sound like much, maybe, but he emerges with a pretty good theory of who and why the postmodernists area.

    But he leaves out old fashioned “cultural divisions”, and doesn’t discuss Human Biological Differences (HBD) at all, so he misses things.

    One of the things he half hits, half misses is the sort of thing you’re mentioning: the intensity and irrationality of telling the whites that they are on the hit list, and doing so with such intensity and persistence that people can’t ignore them. Hicks points out that the Left has been _losing_ since the 1950s, and that the leading authorities referred to by contemporary Postmodernists date from the 1950s. He attributes much of the ferocity of the Postmodernists to their sense that this is their last fight, and quite a few of them want to emulate Hitler and take the world down with them.

    Add that to HDB, and you could say that the POC who follow the Postmodernist’s lead
    1. either _can’t_ exist in an industrial economy based on Enlightenment principles (e.g. average IQ of 85 and 45% of their population can’t do anything productive as their IQ is below 83)
    2. or _won’t_ exist in an industrial economy based on Enlightenment principles because they have a religion that flatly forbids such a thing, and (as a plant raised in a bottle remains bottle shaped) the populations that have evolved in the religion would rather die (or maybe bring down everything) than abandon their religion. New Englanders take note.

    And now, as you say, the Enlightenment types are starting to feel threatened. A bit late in the game, maybe, but maybe not too late. We’ll see.

    Counterinsurgency

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  278. @Jack Hanson

    If you knew the differnce between disdainful sarcasm and masochism you’d know one thing.

    What the Hell is auto-masochism, anyway; is that like wet water?

    If you could write half as well as I can or had anything remotely interesting to say, even without any ability to express it, you’d have Mr. Unz begging you to contribute a regular column. Fortunately for both of us, here at Mr. Sailer’s blog we’re all mothing but baby-boomers so obsessed with nothing but reverse mortgages the stark differences between you and I are not apparent.

    But we digress! Back to the topic at hand and the commentariat’s preferred topic, as it’s been confirmed on good authority by Jack Hanson himself:

    Why Baby Boomers are the First Generation to Widely Utilize Reverse Mortgages in Retirement

    (I made a point recently to be less sardonic, both in this forum and in life generally, because I believe in acknowledging one’s demerits and sincere efforts to improve; I’m proud to say, if I may be so bold, I’ve done well in this regard. Indeed, my decision to refute your dopey assertion by embracing it and posting data about reverse mortgages to provide gentle, self-explanatory satire, rather than to denounce you for a fool outright, reflected that. Some people, though, truly merit confrontational, sardonic treatment, so I’m making an exception in this instance.

    Go heat up a some more Totino’s Pizza Rolls or something, would ya?)

  279. Lagertha says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    Thanks for your post. I resent Hicks’ words to people that are still too afraid to espouse their thoughts (or think they are going crazy – not kidding…or think they are just dumb) – sad state of affairs. I feel really bad and weirdly responsible for my friends who think they are just not smart enough to understand what is going on by the machinations of the Democrats, or any politicians.

    We are at the precipice….but things are weirder every day. However, I think there is a 10-12 year window until things get awful.

  280. Lagertha says:

    I think I am overthinking my point like, 5 comments and 3 posts ago! Whatever, I had a bad cold…and fell on ice again! Thank yah, darlin’ – repeating myself, scary! But, the tipping point was my point.

  281. Lagertha says:

    I really do hope that this movie rings in the ears of the globalists from now on. Dust to dust is not necessary.

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