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Remember when Trump got in trouble for saying he remembers Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey, which he probably conflated out of a quick cut to Muslims celebrating 9/11 in the Middle East and the long, serious FBI investigation of the “dancing Israelis” in Jersey City?

Today, however, evidence emerged of a Muslim in America who did celebrate 9/11: Omar Mateen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VOub63XW-E

 
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  1. I don’t think it’s luck.

    • Replies: @Randal

    I don’t think it’s luck.
     
    Of course it's not luck. It's what happens much more often when you base your opinions on honest attempts to understand the world around you, rather than doing what most politicians, lobbyists and media political types do - try to force the world to fit into whatever "narrative" suits their purposes.
  2. Steve, check out the transcript of Trump’s speech today. Apparently, some Congressional committee tried to get information on the immigration histories of terrorists in this country, and the Obama administration refused to release the info. Trump called on Obama to do so. He also mentioned Somali refugees, the background of the Tsarnaev brothers, and asked why Omar’s crazy father was even in the country in the first place. Never thought I’d hear this from the Republican nominee for president.

    • Agree: Travis
  3. Just looked at a photo gallery of the Orlando victims: mostly Hispanic and a few blacks; men and women. Just don’t see how the narrative recovers, given that this guy was a DHS contractor with a gun license and access to assault weapons so an assault weapons ban might have complicated his scheme, but not thwarted it. The mental illness defense never was allowed for white perps. There have been some trial balloons that Muslim terrorists are actually closeted gays. Persecution for being a Muslim makes them reluctant to come out of the closet; denying their true sexual nature drives insane; ultimately the go on a shooting spree in a Hispanic gay bar because white people are Islamophobic.

    The old double bank shot.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    >access to assault weapons <

    the ar 15 is a rifle. you shouldn't use the proggtard's labels.
    , @Texas
    Lolo ya I saw that too on the news tonite when they were showing the photos of the victims and 3/4 or more of them looked like they came from Havana or Haiti......not really "AMerican" are they
  4. The luck of facts matching reality.

  5. Golly, and there was I thinking it was a just a small band of cultish cavedwellers who cheered America’s black eye on 9/11..

    It’s just .. So much of US socio-cultural history has been composed of hysterias and witch-hunts against a secret hidden enemy who weakens the community from within. Now there’s an actual violent ideological conspiracy of hyper-murderous foreigners and alien elements openly devoted to destroying our Western way of life. But, to paraphrase HS, the “so-called City Fathers [do nothing but] cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about ‘What’s to be done with this Donald Trump?’”

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Typical of leftists who glide through life never facing a challenge to their ideals. They just can’t imagine someone feeling different than them. To them, a ME Muslim being happy about 9-11 has to be fiction, because who would ever think differently?

    I think Trump was mostly just assuming based on human nature: they hate us, something bad happen to us, ergo they were happy.

    • Replies: @Abe

    I think Trump was mostly just assuming based on human nature: they hate us, something bad happen to us, ergo they were happy.

     

    No, there were reports of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in NJ (Patterson?); when this came up last year I found a contemporaneous report in the WASHINGTON POST mentioning the rumors, but neither confirming nor denying their veracity (given the chaos and confusion following 9-11, I understand the media in this one case turning a blind eye to prevent riots). Muslim crowds celebrating in Palestine was captured on video and is a confirmed fact.
  7. Today, however, evidence emerged of a Muslim in America who did celebrate 9/11: Omar Mateen.

    Yes, very strong evidence. Somebody says the guy (at the ripe age of 15) celebrated 9/11, therefore it’s true.

    Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it. But factually, whatever they tell us is true.

    (The above could be called Sailer’s Law)

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Well is the guy making it up or is the fact Omar was 15 make mitigate his guilt.

    And does the fact he killed 50 Americans 15 years later make it more likely he did in fact celebrate 9/11.

    You've got a lot to figure out in that crazy head of yours Mr. Revusky.
    , @Clyde
    pathetic comment and good bye
    , @Chrisnonymous
    I don't know why Unz is wasting his resources on you, but he thankfully gave us an option to ignore some commenters, and I'm going to use it for the first time to ignore you. I don't mind people who are eccentric, crazy, dissenting, but you're just attacking Sailer with pointless comments. Good bye.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it."

    The fact that the MSM lies about many things (or more often, just chooses not to report certian things) doesn't mean that everything they say is a lie. If ABC news reports that the Broncos won the superbowl, do you therefore assume that they did not win the superbowl? But then, you're a clown, so perhaps you do.
  8. @Shouting Thomas
    I don't think it's luck.

    I don’t think it’s luck.

    Of course it’s not luck. It’s what happens much more often when you base your opinions on honest attempts to understand the world around you, rather than doing what most politicians, lobbyists and media political types do – try to force the world to fit into whatever “narrative” suits their purposes.

  9. • Replies: @27 year old
    C4s is a big company and they have a lot of varied contracts
  10. I seem to remember writing a piece for VDARE reporting on substantiated Muslim celebrations on 9/11. The original story ran in a well respected NJ Advance media.

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/trump-jersey-city-muslims-and-9-11-trump-was-right

  11. Trump said that there were “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in the US celebrating on the streets.

  12. Off topic, but interesting: http://goo.gl/ny5Czr

    “The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States, a fraction of the 300 million firearms owned by Americans. Most owners say they use the rifle for target shooting and home defense, although they can be used for hunting as well.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles – a category that includes more traditional types of long guns – accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period.”

    “Though so-called assault rifles account for a small fraction of the United States’ 30,000 annual gun deaths, they have been used in at least 10 mass shootings since 2011, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine.

    The prevalence of these firearms has made them a focal point in the debate over U.S. gun laws as opponents say civilians should not own what they describe as “weapons of war.” Backers say they are simply modern rifles enjoyed by millions of law-abiding Americans.

    In December 2012, Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster XM15 to kill 28 children and adults at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut before taking his own life with a Glock pistol.

    Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook used two assault rifles and two pistols to kill 14 people in San Bernardino, California, in December 2015.

    James Holmes carried an assault rifle, a shotgun and two pistols when he killed 12 people in a Colorado movie theater in 2012.

    Law enforcement officials say Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S. citizen who was the son of Afghan immigrants, carried an AR-15 style assault rifle and a handgun when he killed 50 people and wounded 53 at a gay nightclub in Orlando. He also had an unidentified device, said Orlando Police Chief John Mina.

    The AR-15 was developed from the U.S. military’s M-16 rifle, used in the Vietnam War in the 1960s. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”
     
    If you wish to hit the most targets with the fewest rounds expended, you don't want to us full automatic anyway. In fact when I was in the army soldiers were not allowed to put their weapons on full automatic unless authorized to do so by superiors. Even if this guy had access to a military M-16, he still would have been better off on semi-auto.
    , @SPMoore8
    It's good to be reminded that the AR-15 (and its various mutations) has been standard issue in the armed services for 50 years: it's normal for a veteran to want a rifle like the one he trained with. (Personally I trained with an M-14 and used that for a couple of years, then later M-16, but I think they were in use from 1965.)
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I am not a firearms expert, but I believe that the Vietnam "firefights" were just that. Spray bullets. Modern military weapons default to three round bursts - enough to aim accurately without recoil, and discourage the enemy without blowing a whole clip in 10 seconds.
  13. I am wondering if we’ll hear from the semi-recluse Andrew Sullivan regarding the recent events.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Gee, I hope not. He is probably so depressed that he had to smoke double the doobies before handing off his copy to his "assistants".
  14. According to CBS News; “ISIS has in the past claimed responsibility for attacks that did not originate within their command structure or territory, and analysts say this latest claim still does not prove ISIS was directly involved in the shooting”

    Clearly distinguishable from the Dylan Roof shooting, where intercepts of communications from Jefferson Davis in Richmond directly implicated the Confederate government.
    Note also that Obama has described Omar Mateen as “homegrown” and that he “was radicalized in some part, through the internet”.

    Oh oh. Sounds like he may be laying the predicate for controls on the internet in order to prevent “radicalization.” As to who will decide which sites are “radicalizing”…well, I think you know.
    Nice reading you Steve. It was great while it lasted.

    The Media Mill will grind the raw material it gets into whatever final product it wants. Assault weapons ban, hate speech controls, unlimited Muslim immigration! Whoo hoo!

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    The problem for CBS is that most people are not smart enough to understand their rationalizations.

    The killer was Islamic and ISIS claimed it, it's theirs from most people's point of view.
  15. Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub “a dozen” times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub “a dozen” times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative."

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.
    , @Tex
    Or he was doing recon, checking out the target in preparation for attacking it.
  16. @JimB
    Just looked at a photo gallery of the Orlando victims: mostly Hispanic and a few blacks; men and women. Just don't see how the narrative recovers, given that this guy was a DHS contractor with a gun license and access to assault weapons so an assault weapons ban might have complicated his scheme, but not thwarted it. The mental illness defense never was allowed for white perps. There have been some trial balloons that Muslim terrorists are actually closeted gays. Persecution for being a Muslim makes them reluctant to come out of the closet; denying their true sexual nature drives insane; ultimately the go on a shooting spree in a Hispanic gay bar because white people are Islamophobic.

    The old double bank shot.

    >access to assault weapons <

    the ar 15 is a rifle. you shouldn't use the proggtard's labels.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    "Personal defense weapon" is what the Feds call their own full-auto, short barrel, armor piercing rifles.
  17. @BenKenobi
    aaaand the rabbit hole goes down rather deep...

    From ZeroHedge:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/orlando-shooter-worked-security-company-which-tranports-illegal-immigrants-deep-insi

    C4s is a big company and they have a lot of varied contracts

  18. One shit-tier anti-trump Orlando aftermath meme I am seeing is

    “Trump’s Muslim ban wouldn’t have stopped this”

    Well, yes it would, if it was put in place back in the 80s.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Travis
    exactly correct. and a ban on Muslims today will save countless lives over the next decades. With less muslims we will have less muslim enclaves , less mosques, less American born Jihadists.

    hundreds of millions of Muslims want to immigrate to America. Even Obama only allowed in 3 million of the 100+ million who desire to immigrate. Trump just want to restrict Muslim immigration slightly more than Obama, stopping 103+ million from immigrating.
    , @NOTA
    Probably very little we could do would have stopped this. It's just not all that hard to kill people if you have a gun and they don't, and you don't care that you're going to end up dead or in prison for it later on.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    "What's your name?"

    "My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I'm from from Afghanistan."

    "Are you a Muslim?"

    "No, I'm a Bhuddist."

    "Ok, here's your green card."
  19. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”

    Yes, and no. Many/most AR-15s are a small, easily-installed part away from being full-auto. Granted, those parts cost an arm and a leg, and they’re all grandfathered – it’s generally illegal to possess, manufacture, or sell new ones. But it’s not like dropping one into an AR-15 will magically make it not an AR-15 any more.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles – a category that includes more traditional types of long guns – accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period.”

    Handguns are the big daddy of all gun crime. But they’re also the best all-round urban defense firearm, and thus the favorite of liberal gun-owners, and thus, liberals never try to ban them.

    Liberals go after “assault rifles” because they don’t buy them, and people they hate do.

    The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States

    Note the broad-side-of-a-barn estimate. That’s because the only parts that are tracked by the gov’t are the lower receivers. And since they represent a small fraction of the cost of a rifle (about $75 to $150 average, out of a total cost of $500 or so and up), people tend to stock up (save on shipping, rainy day, etc.).

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Yes, and no. Many/most AR-15s are a small, easily-installed part away from being full-auto. Granted, those parts cost an arm and a leg, and they’re all grandfathered – it’s generally illegal to possess, manufacture, or sell new ones. But it’s not like dropping one into an AR-15 will magically make it not an AR-15 any more.


    In order to sell the AR-15 as a Title 1 firearm, in ~1963 or so, Colt had to substantially modify the lower receiver so that it could not be made to accept the selective fire mechanism of the M-16. It's possible to machine one out, but possession of such a modified lower receiver is the same as owning a fully automatic weapon. Unless it is a registered and properly transferred NFA firearm you are in violation of the NFA and the GCA and prison sentences are de rigeur-even conservative federal judges nearly always give prison time for this offense.

    Before 1986, one could legally manufacture a fully automatic weapon by being approved by the ATF and paying the tax and obtaining a tax stamp, but in that year, typical cuckservatives agreed to a permanent ban on any new fully automatic firearms being allowed to be manufactured-except of course for military and law enforcement use. Consequently any legal, transferable full automatic firearm is now worth many thousand dollars, as the supply is "forever" fixed. Almost certainly, no matter who gets elected, this ban will remain in force as long as the United States remains a sovereign nation (which means a while, but if you're young enough you'll see it end.)
    , @Harry Baldwin
    But they’re also the best all-round urban defense firearm, and thus the favorite of liberal gun-owners, and thus, liberals never try to ban them.

    Where on earth do you get the idea that liberals never try to ban handguns? One of the most prominent anti-gun groups, founded in 1974, was called "National Council to Control Handguns," which after 1980 called itself "Handgun Control, Inc." It changed its name to the "Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in 2001," adding semi-automatic military-style rifles to the items it wanted banned.
  20. Who let Sacco and Vanzetti into this country, not to mention their spiritual leader Luigi Galleani.

    Luigi Galleani is best known for his enthusiastic advocacy of “propaganda of the deed”, i.e. the use of violence to eliminate tyrants and oppressors and to act as a catalyst to the overthrow of existing government institutions.

    Soon after arriving in the United States at the age of 40, Galleani attracted attention in radical anarchist circles as a charismatic orator; he called for violence as necessary to overthrow the capitalists who oppressed the working man.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galleani

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Good topic. I will probably have more to say on Italian immigrant anarchism in Taki's.
  21. @George
    Who let Sacco and Vanzetti into this country, not to mention their spiritual leader Luigi Galleani.

    Luigi Galleani is best known for his enthusiastic advocacy of "propaganda of the deed", i.e. the use of violence to eliminate tyrants and oppressors and to act as a catalyst to the overthrow of existing government institutions.

    Soon after arriving in the United States at the age of 40, Galleani attracted attention in radical anarchist circles as a charismatic orator; he called for violence as necessary to overthrow the capitalists who oppressed the working man.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galleani

    Good topic. I will probably have more to say on Italian immigrant anarchism in Taki’s.

    • Replies: @The Only Catholic Unionist
    They strain a bit to make it "relevant", but a fair introduction is the independent film "No God, No Master"
  22. Alain, great comparison. Dylan Roof means they must remove all Confederate flags and disinter all Confederate heroes to unmarked graves in landfills, but a Muslim terrorist who screamed to the world that he was acting out of loyalty for a Muslim terrorist organization doesn’t mean anything.

    Hussein also said that Americans must find the courage to change. Steyn was all over this today. America and the west have been bending over backwards for Muslims forever; how about they change for once?

    • Replies: @Olorin
    We should also disallow the flying of Rainbow flags anywhere, especially over the city halls and state houses.

    Don't want to make those hair-trigger Moose Limbs mad and stuff.
  23. @Luke Lea
    Off topic, but interesting: http://goo.gl/ny5Czr

    "The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States, a fraction of the 300 million firearms owned by Americans. Most owners say they use the rifle for target shooting and home defense, although they can be used for hunting as well.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles - a category that includes more traditional types of long guns - accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period."


    "Though so-called assault rifles account for a small fraction of the United States' 30,000 annual gun deaths, they have been used in at least 10 mass shootings since 2011, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine.

    The prevalence of these firearms has made them a focal point in the debate over U.S. gun laws as opponents say civilians should not own what they describe as "weapons of war." Backers say they are simply modern rifles enjoyed by millions of law-abiding Americans.

    In December 2012, Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster XM15 to kill 28 children and adults at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut before taking his own life with a Glock pistol.



    Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook used two assault rifles and two pistols to kill 14 people in San Bernardino, California, in December 2015.

    James Holmes carried an assault rifle, a shotgun and two pistols when he killed 12 people in a Colorado movie theater in 2012.

    Law enforcement officials say Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S. citizen who was the son of Afghan immigrants, carried an AR-15 style assault rifle and a handgun when he killed 50 people and wounded 53 at a gay nightclub in Orlando. He also had an unidentified device, said Orlando Police Chief John Mina.

    The AR-15 was developed from the U.S. military's M-16 rifle, used in the Vietnam War in the 1960s. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot."

    Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”

    If you wish to hit the most targets with the fewest rounds expended, you don’t want to us full automatic anyway. In fact when I was in the army soldiers were not allowed to put their weapons on full automatic unless authorized to do so by superiors. Even if this guy had access to a military M-16, he still would have been better off on semi-auto.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    Burst fire wastes ammo. Single shot is how you actually hit something. Perhaps if you are in a confined space and clearing rooms burst fire is justified but then you probably shouldn't have a long-barrelled weaponry anyway. A shotgun or something like an MP5 is far preferable. This is basic, totally unco ntriversial and widely-known military tactics.
  24. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Alain
    According to CBS News; “ISIS has in the past claimed responsibility for attacks that did not originate within their command structure or territory, and analysts say this latest claim still does not prove ISIS was directly involved in the shooting”

    Clearly distinguishable from the Dylan Roof shooting, where intercepts of communications from Jefferson Davis in Richmond directly implicated the Confederate government.
    Note also that Obama has described Omar Mateen as “homegrown” and that he “was radicalized in some part, through the internet”.

    Oh oh. Sounds like he may be laying the predicate for controls on the internet in order to prevent “radicalization.” As to who will decide which sites are “radicalizing”…well, I think you know.
    Nice reading you Steve. It was great while it lasted.

    The Media Mill will grind the raw material it gets into whatever final product it wants. Assault weapons ban, hate speech controls, unlimited Muslim immigration! Whoo hoo!

    The problem for CBS is that most people are not smart enough to understand their rationalizations.

    The killer was Islamic and ISIS claimed it, it’s theirs from most people’s point of view.

  25. @Jonathan Revusky

    Today, however, evidence emerged of a Muslim in America who did celebrate 9/11: Omar Mateen.
     
    Yes, very strong evidence. Somebody says the guy (at the ripe age of 15) celebrated 9/11, therefore it's true.

    Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it. But factually, whatever they tell us is true.

    (The above could be called Sailer's Law)

    Well is the guy making it up or is the fact Omar was 15 make mitigate his guilt.

    And does the fact he killed 50 Americans 15 years later make it more likely he did in fact celebrate 9/11.

    You’ve got a lot to figure out in that crazy head of yours Mr. Revusky.

  26. @Luke Lea
    Off topic, but interesting: http://goo.gl/ny5Czr

    "The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States, a fraction of the 300 million firearms owned by Americans. Most owners say they use the rifle for target shooting and home defense, although they can be used for hunting as well.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles - a category that includes more traditional types of long guns - accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period."


    "Though so-called assault rifles account for a small fraction of the United States' 30,000 annual gun deaths, they have been used in at least 10 mass shootings since 2011, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine.

    The prevalence of these firearms has made them a focal point in the debate over U.S. gun laws as opponents say civilians should not own what they describe as "weapons of war." Backers say they are simply modern rifles enjoyed by millions of law-abiding Americans.

    In December 2012, Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster XM15 to kill 28 children and adults at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut before taking his own life with a Glock pistol.



    Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook used two assault rifles and two pistols to kill 14 people in San Bernardino, California, in December 2015.

    James Holmes carried an assault rifle, a shotgun and two pistols when he killed 12 people in a Colorado movie theater in 2012.

    Law enforcement officials say Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S. citizen who was the son of Afghan immigrants, carried an AR-15 style assault rifle and a handgun when he killed 50 people and wounded 53 at a gay nightclub in Orlando. He also had an unidentified device, said Orlando Police Chief John Mina.

    The AR-15 was developed from the U.S. military's M-16 rifle, used in the Vietnam War in the 1960s. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot."

    It’s good to be reminded that the AR-15 (and its various mutations) has been standard issue in the armed services for 50 years: it’s normal for a veteran to want a rifle like the one he trained with. (Personally I trained with an M-14 and used that for a couple of years, then later M-16, but I think they were in use from 1965.)

  27. @newrouter
    >access to assault weapons <

    the ar 15 is a rifle. you shouldn't use the proggtard's labels.

    “Personal defense weapon” is what the Feds call their own full-auto, short barrel, armor piercing rifles.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    >“Personal defense weapon” is what the Feds call their own full-auto, short barrel, armor piercing rifles.<

    a rifle

    A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_rose_by_any_other_name_would_smell_as_sweet
    , @newrouter
    language is very important for propaganda. establish "new" labels for common objects. read some havel.
  28. An “assault rifle” must have both single and automatic fire modes (or three round bursts). Very few of the weapons labeled assault rifles by the media actually are. “Assault weapon” on the other hand is a meaningless phrase. Rocks, chairs, and high heels are assault weapons.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Additionally assault rifles fire a mid-size cartridge that is larger than pistol ammunition and smaller than rifle ammunition. Weapons like the M-14, which fire the full sized rifle rounds, are called 'battle rifles' as opposed to the smaller assault rifles.

    You are correct on the new catch all term 'assault weapon'. You can throw every thing including the kitchen sink into that one.

  29. @Luke Lea
    Off topic, but interesting: http://goo.gl/ny5Czr

    "The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States, a fraction of the 300 million firearms owned by Americans. Most owners say they use the rifle for target shooting and home defense, although they can be used for hunting as well.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles - a category that includes more traditional types of long guns - accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period."


    "Though so-called assault rifles account for a small fraction of the United States' 30,000 annual gun deaths, they have been used in at least 10 mass shootings since 2011, according to a database compiled by Mother Jones magazine.

    The prevalence of these firearms has made them a focal point in the debate over U.S. gun laws as opponents say civilians should not own what they describe as "weapons of war." Backers say they are simply modern rifles enjoyed by millions of law-abiding Americans.

    In December 2012, Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster XM15 to kill 28 children and adults at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut before taking his own life with a Glock pistol.



    Tashfeen Malik and Syed Farook used two assault rifles and two pistols to kill 14 people in San Bernardino, California, in December 2015.

    James Holmes carried an assault rifle, a shotgun and two pistols when he killed 12 people in a Colorado movie theater in 2012.

    Law enforcement officials say Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S. citizen who was the son of Afghan immigrants, carried an AR-15 style assault rifle and a handgun when he killed 50 people and wounded 53 at a gay nightclub in Orlando. He also had an unidentified device, said Orlando Police Chief John Mina.

    The AR-15 was developed from the U.S. military's M-16 rifle, used in the Vietnam War in the 1960s. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot."

    I am not a firearms expert, but I believe that the Vietnam “firefights” were just that. Spray bullets. Modern military weapons default to three round bursts – enough to aim accurately without recoil, and discourage the enemy without blowing a whole clip in 10 seconds.

  30. @Jasper Been
    I am wondering if we'll hear from the semi-recluse Andrew Sullivan regarding the recent events.

    Gee, I hope not. He is probably so depressed that he had to smoke double the doobies before handing off his copy to his “assistants”.

  31. Here’s what I think about all the “the media will spin this” responses here to the Orlando massacre:

    Fishwrap: Confidence in newspapers, TV news hits bottom

    Gallup found that just 20 percent have confidence in newspapers, a 10-point drop in 10 years. TV news saw an identical 10-point drop, from 31 percent to 21 percent.

    They’re bleeding legitimacy.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Well Trump is going to need that, even across the Atlantic I can see the media propaganda campaign whirring up into full on attack mode.
  32. If you wish to hit the most targets with the fewest rounds expended, you don’t want to us full automatic anyway. In fact when I was in the army soldiers were not allowed to put their weapons on full automatic unless authorized to do so by superiors. Even if this guy had access to a military M-16, he still would have been better off on semi-auto.

    Shooting into a crowd really isn’t about aiming. Rate of fire becomes more important than usual.

  33. I have no idea if this particular claim is really true, but I find it interesting that one of the first photos released of this guy showed him wearing an NYPD sheet. It seems like an example of what Steve calls “frontlash” – to get the narrative out there of “He was an ordinary pro-cop American kid who must have become ‘radicalized’ by some mysterious means at an indeterminate (but certainly long after 9/11) time.”

  34. There were Muslims celebrating in Jersey City, Paterson, and elsewhere. Just not “thousands”.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    Trump is right. Local Tri-State media ran with this story longer than the national media. There were multiple Jersey City residents celebrating the attacks.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/exclusive_jersey_city_cop_residents_say_some_musli.html

    Here is what really happened.

    New Jersey Governor Jim "I am a Gay American" McGreevey appointed his gay Israeli boyfriend/honeypot, Golan Cipel, straight from the Israeli Consulate, to be the head of New Jersey Homeland Security and, lo and behold, under Golan Cipel all 9-1-1 calls on 9/11 in Jersey City were deleted!

    Thus, there is no official record of the Islamic celebrations in Jersey City or the so-called "Dancing Israelis".

    This, by the way, is a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE.
  35. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    He visited Saudi Arabia twice making him yet another with a Saudi connection. His job with the security company appears rather murky whereby, reportedly, they were transporting non-Mexican illegals further into the US and releasing them. What is that about? Also, his father supposedly had a tie to Voice of America. There’s always these strange connections that these people have.

  36. Abe says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Typical of leftists who glide through life never facing a challenge to their ideals. They just can't imagine someone feeling different than them. To them, a ME Muslim being happy about 9-11 has to be fiction, because who would ever think differently?

    I think Trump was mostly just assuming based on human nature: they hate us, something bad happen to us, ergo they were happy.

    I think Trump was mostly just assuming based on human nature: they hate us, something bad happen to us, ergo they were happy.

    No, there were reports of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in NJ (Patterson?); when this came up last year I found a contemporaneous report in the WASHINGTON POST mentioning the rumors, but neither confirming nor denying their veracity (given the chaos and confusion following 9-11, I understand the media in this one case turning a blind eye to prevent riots). Muslim crowds celebrating in Palestine was captured on video and is a confirmed fact.

  37. @27 year old
    One shit-tier anti-trump Orlando aftermath meme I am seeing is

    "Trump's Muslim ban wouldn't have stopped this"

    Well, yes it would, if it was put in place back in the 80s.

    exactly correct. and a ban on Muslims today will save countless lives over the next decades. With less muslims we will have less muslim enclaves , less mosques, less American born Jihadists.

    hundreds of millions of Muslims want to immigrate to America. Even Obama only allowed in 3 million of the 100+ million who desire to immigrate. Trump just want to restrict Muslim immigration slightly more than Obama, stopping 103+ million from immigrating.

  38. @Jonathan Revusky

    Today, however, evidence emerged of a Muslim in America who did celebrate 9/11: Omar Mateen.
     
    Yes, very strong evidence. Somebody says the guy (at the ripe age of 15) celebrated 9/11, therefore it's true.

    Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it. But factually, whatever they tell us is true.

    (The above could be called Sailer's Law)

    pathetic comment and good bye

  39. @Svigor
    Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub "a dozen" times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative.

    “Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub “a dozen” times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative.”

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @rod1963
    Many Muslim males first sexual experience is at the hands of another Muslim male. Usually a teacher sheik or mullah of some kind.

    Oh yeah then there are the Afghani "dancing boys" that older men serially molest.

    Then there's the bestiality that is common among Muslim men. Evidently it was so prevalent in Iraq and Afghanistan our troops were forbidden to speak of it. Yet they saw it nightly with their NV gear.

    In short these are very bad people, we have zero business importing these modern day Morlocks into a post-modern society that for the most part has lost the ability to notice they just invited evil into their midst.
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.
     
    Sir Richard Burton (the discoverer of the source of the Nile, not the actor) suggested that much of the Islamic world, along with other tropical and subtropical areas, constituted a "sotadic zone" in which homosexuality was endemic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotadic_zone

    Another cultural tradition in much of this area is polygamy, which results in older and richer men having multiple wives, typically kept in purdah, leaving younger and poorer ones with no access to women. As a result, the latter live either in a constant state of sexual frustration, or turn to each other for sexual release, and feel shame at having done so. It seems like a reliable formula for creating a population of young, unstable men who are easily induced to acts of violence, often culminating in suicide.
  40. @27 year old
    "Personal defense weapon" is what the Feds call their own full-auto, short barrel, armor piercing rifles.

    >“Personal defense weapon” is what the Feds call their own full-auto, short barrel, armor piercing rifles.<

    a rifle

    A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_rose_by_any_other_name_would_smell_as_sweet

  41. @Jonathan Revusky

    Today, however, evidence emerged of a Muslim in America who did celebrate 9/11: Omar Mateen.
     
    Yes, very strong evidence. Somebody says the guy (at the ripe age of 15) celebrated 9/11, therefore it's true.

    Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it. But factually, whatever they tell us is true.

    (The above could be called Sailer's Law)

    I don’t know why Unz is wasting his resources on you, but he thankfully gave us an option to ignore some commenters, and I’m going to use it for the first time to ignore you. I don’t mind people who are eccentric, crazy, dissenting, but you’re just attacking Sailer with pointless comments. Good bye.

  42. @Svigor

    Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”
     
    Yes, and no. Many/most AR-15s are a small, easily-installed part away from being full-auto. Granted, those parts cost an arm and a leg, and they're all grandfathered - it's generally illegal to possess, manufacture, or sell new ones. But it's not like dropping one into an AR-15 will magically make it not an AR-15 any more.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles – a category that includes more traditional types of long guns – accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period.”
     
    Handguns are the big daddy of all gun crime. But they're also the best all-round urban defense firearm, and thus the favorite of liberal gun-owners, and thus, liberals never try to ban them.

    Liberals go after "assault rifles" because they don't buy them, and people they hate do.

    The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States
     
    Note the broad-side-of-a-barn estimate. That's because the only parts that are tracked by the gov't are the lower receivers. And since they represent a small fraction of the cost of a rifle (about $75 to $150 average, out of a total cost of $500 or so and up), people tend to stock up (save on shipping, rainy day, etc.).

    Yes, and no. Many/most AR-15s are a small, easily-installed part away from being full-auto. Granted, those parts cost an arm and a leg, and they’re all grandfathered – it’s generally illegal to possess, manufacture, or sell new ones. But it’s not like dropping one into an AR-15 will magically make it not an AR-15 any more.

    In order to sell the AR-15 as a Title 1 firearm, in ~1963 or so, Colt had to substantially modify the lower receiver so that it could not be made to accept the selective fire mechanism of the M-16. It’s possible to machine one out, but possession of such a modified lower receiver is the same as owning a fully automatic weapon. Unless it is a registered and properly transferred NFA firearm you are in violation of the NFA and the GCA and prison sentences are de rigeur-even conservative federal judges nearly always give prison time for this offense.

    Before 1986, one could legally manufacture a fully automatic weapon by being approved by the ATF and paying the tax and obtaining a tax stamp, but in that year, typical cuckservatives agreed to a permanent ban on any new fully automatic firearms being allowed to be manufactured-except of course for military and law enforcement use. Consequently any legal, transferable full automatic firearm is now worth many thousand dollars, as the supply is “forever” fixed. Almost certainly, no matter who gets elected, this ban will remain in force as long as the United States remains a sovereign nation (which means a while, but if you’re young enough you’ll see it end.)

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    No need to bother with NFA, etc. when you can slap on a Slide Fire stock.
  43. @27 year old
    "Personal defense weapon" is what the Feds call their own full-auto, short barrel, armor piercing rifles.

    language is very important for propaganda. establish “new” labels for common objects. read some havel.

  44. In order to sell the AR-15 as a Title 1 firearm, in ~1963 or so, Colt had to substantially modify the lower receiver so that it could not be made to accept the selective fire mechanism of the M-16. It’s possible to machine one out, but possession of such a modified lower receiver is the same as owning a fully automatic weapon. Unless it is a registered and properly transferred NFA firearm you are in violation of the NFA and the GCA and prison sentences are de rigeur-even conservative federal judges nearly always give prison time for this offense.

    I dunno from accepting the mechanism from an M-16. I’m talking about the stuff you can drop into existing (low shelf) AR-15 receivers. I forget the name, there’s a couple IIRC. Lightning Link might be one?

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is the tip of the iceberg. And they, the NWO, created the iceberg.

    Getting rid of Trump will only increase the pressure in the cooker. Surely wise men like Kissinger are advising to coopt Trump instead more drastic measures.

    People are angry now! The economic slowdown plus terror means national frustration going through the roof.

    Amazing that Obama’s approval floats well above 50%. His racial Teflon is disgusting. His brothas and sistas will never abandon him.

    Obama himself could’ve shot up the gay nightclub and his admirers would find a way to understand. After all, Obama’s policies DID actually get the nightclub destroyed.
    And I don’t think any Obama fans are blaming Obama!

  46. @Ozymandias
    An "assault rifle" must have both single and automatic fire modes (or three round bursts). Very few of the weapons labeled assault rifles by the media actually are. "Assault weapon" on the other hand is a meaningless phrase. Rocks, chairs, and high heels are assault weapons.

    Additionally assault rifles fire a mid-size cartridge that is larger than pistol ammunition and smaller than rifle ammunition. Weapons like the M-14, which fire the full sized rifle rounds, are called ‘battle rifles’ as opposed to the smaller assault rifles.

    You are correct on the new catch all term ‘assault weapon’. You can throw every thing including the kitchen sink into that one.

  47. Some Boricuas on the internet are saying this Orlando terrorist attack is 9/11 for Puerto Ricans.

  48. @27 year old
    One shit-tier anti-trump Orlando aftermath meme I am seeing is

    "Trump's Muslim ban wouldn't have stopped this"

    Well, yes it would, if it was put in place back in the 80s.

    Probably very little we could do would have stopped this. It’s just not all that hard to kill people if you have a gun and they don’t, and you don’t care that you’re going to end up dead or in prison for it later on.

  49. @JimB
    Just looked at a photo gallery of the Orlando victims: mostly Hispanic and a few blacks; men and women. Just don't see how the narrative recovers, given that this guy was a DHS contractor with a gun license and access to assault weapons so an assault weapons ban might have complicated his scheme, but not thwarted it. The mental illness defense never was allowed for white perps. There have been some trial balloons that Muslim terrorists are actually closeted gays. Persecution for being a Muslim makes them reluctant to come out of the closet; denying their true sexual nature drives insane; ultimately the go on a shooting spree in a Hispanic gay bar because white people are Islamophobic.

    The old double bank shot.

    Lolo ya I saw that too on the news tonite when they were showing the photos of the victims and 3/4 or more of them looked like they came from Havana or Haiti……not really “AMerican” are they

  50. I’m not ready to buy the closeted homo thing yet. They always say that. Remember the guy from the Jenny Jones show? I think that was all bullshit, too.

  51. @27 year old
    One shit-tier anti-trump Orlando aftermath meme I am seeing is

    "Trump's Muslim ban wouldn't have stopped this"

    Well, yes it would, if it was put in place back in the 80s.

    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    “What’s your name?”

    “My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I’m from from Afghanistan.”

    “Are you a Muslim?”

    “No, I’m a Bhuddist.”

    “Ok, here’s your green card.”

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    "...and I'm from Afghanistan."

    "Bye."

    Nobody gets in if they're from a country with a majority Muslim population, period. (Until we figure out what's going on -- which could take decades.)

    Alternatively, give a "loyalty test" at Customs: Eat a slice of bacon and tear up a cartoon of the Prophet.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Surname analysis.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1797082/
    , @Anonymous
    How about looking at the guy's ID? In at least some of those countries, people's religion is meticulously tracked and documented. It shouldn't be too difficult to prove.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Easily solved by the immigration moratorium.
  52. @Former Darfur
    Yes, and no. Many/most AR-15s are a small, easily-installed part away from being full-auto. Granted, those parts cost an arm and a leg, and they’re all grandfathered – it’s generally illegal to possess, manufacture, or sell new ones. But it’s not like dropping one into an AR-15 will magically make it not an AR-15 any more.


    In order to sell the AR-15 as a Title 1 firearm, in ~1963 or so, Colt had to substantially modify the lower receiver so that it could not be made to accept the selective fire mechanism of the M-16. It's possible to machine one out, but possession of such a modified lower receiver is the same as owning a fully automatic weapon. Unless it is a registered and properly transferred NFA firearm you are in violation of the NFA and the GCA and prison sentences are de rigeur-even conservative federal judges nearly always give prison time for this offense.

    Before 1986, one could legally manufacture a fully automatic weapon by being approved by the ATF and paying the tax and obtaining a tax stamp, but in that year, typical cuckservatives agreed to a permanent ban on any new fully automatic firearms being allowed to be manufactured-except of course for military and law enforcement use. Consequently any legal, transferable full automatic firearm is now worth many thousand dollars, as the supply is "forever" fixed. Almost certainly, no matter who gets elected, this ban will remain in force as long as the United States remains a sovereign nation (which means a while, but if you're young enough you'll see it end.)

    No need to bother with NFA, etc. when you can slap on a Slide Fire stock.

  53. @Svigor

    Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”
     
    Yes, and no. Many/most AR-15s are a small, easily-installed part away from being full-auto. Granted, those parts cost an arm and a leg, and they're all grandfathered - it's generally illegal to possess, manufacture, or sell new ones. But it's not like dropping one into an AR-15 will magically make it not an AR-15 any more.

    Despite their controversial reputation, assault rifles do not often turn up at murder scenes. Handguns accounted for at least 48 percent of all murders between 2010 and 2014, according to FBI data, while rifles – a category that includes more traditional types of long guns – accounted for 2.4 percent. Roughly four times as many people were killed by knives in that period.”
     
    Handguns are the big daddy of all gun crime. But they're also the best all-round urban defense firearm, and thus the favorite of liberal gun-owners, and thus, liberals never try to ban them.

    Liberals go after "assault rifles" because they don't buy them, and people they hate do.

    The NSSF estimates there are roughly 5 million to 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in the United States
     
    Note the broad-side-of-a-barn estimate. That's because the only parts that are tracked by the gov't are the lower receivers. And since they represent a small fraction of the cost of a rifle (about $75 to $150 average, out of a total cost of $500 or so and up), people tend to stock up (save on shipping, rainy day, etc.).

    But they’re also the best all-round urban defense firearm, and thus the favorite of liberal gun-owners, and thus, liberals never try to ban them.

    Where on earth do you get the idea that liberals never try to ban handguns? One of the most prominent anti-gun groups, founded in 1974, was called “National Council to Control Handguns,” which after 1980 called itself “Handgun Control, Inc.” It changed its name to the “Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in 2001,” adding semi-automatic military-style rifles to the items it wanted banned.

  54. @Jonathan Revusky

    Today, however, evidence emerged of a Muslim in America who did celebrate 9/11: Omar Mateen.
     
    Yes, very strong evidence. Somebody says the guy (at the ripe age of 15) celebrated 9/11, therefore it's true.

    Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it. But factually, whatever they tell us is true.

    (The above could be called Sailer's Law)

    “Remember, fellas, whatever the MSM tells you is true. The only thing you should question is the spin they put on it.”

    The fact that the MSM lies about many things (or more often, just chooses not to report certian things) doesn’t mean that everything they say is a lie. If ABC news reports that the Broncos won the superbowl, do you therefore assume that they did not win the superbowl? But then, you’re a clown, so perhaps you do.

  55. @Hippopotamusdrome
    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    "What's your name?"

    "My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I'm from from Afghanistan."

    "Are you a Muslim?"

    "No, I'm a Bhuddist."

    "Ok, here's your green card."

    “…and I’m from Afghanistan.”

    “Bye.”

    Nobody gets in if they’re from a country with a majority Muslim population, period. (Until we figure out what’s going on — which could take decades.)

    Alternatively, give a “loyalty test” at Customs: Eat a slice of bacon and tear up a cartoon of the Prophet.

  56. @Dave Pinsen
    There were Muslims celebrating in Jersey City, Paterson, and elsewhere. Just not "thousands".

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/742464647878561794

    Trump is right. Local Tri-State media ran with this story longer than the national media. There were multiple Jersey City residents celebrating the attacks.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/exclusive_jersey_city_cop_residents_say_some_musli.html

    Here is what really happened.

    New Jersey Governor Jim “I am a Gay American” McGreevey appointed his gay Israeli boyfriend/honeypot, Golan Cipel, straight from the Israeli Consulate, to be the head of New Jersey Homeland Security and, lo and behold, under Golan Cipel all 9-1-1 calls on 9/11 in Jersey City were deleted!

    Thus, there is no official record of the Islamic celebrations in Jersey City or the so-called “Dancing Israelis”.

    This, by the way, is a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    How many muslims in America celebrated 9/11 amongst themselves in their homes and mosques? Quite a large number, I suspect. Polls would indicate 25-50 % of them.
  57. @Jefferson
    "Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub “a dozen” times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative."

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.

    Many Muslim males first sexual experience is at the hands of another Muslim male. Usually a teacher sheik or mullah of some kind.

    Oh yeah then there are the Afghani “dancing boys” that older men serially molest.

    Then there’s the bestiality that is common among Muslim men. Evidently it was so prevalent in Iraq and Afghanistan our troops were forbidden to speak of it. Yet they saw it nightly with their NV gear.

    In short these are very bad people, we have zero business importing these modern day Morlocks into a post-modern society that for the most part has lost the ability to notice they just invited evil into their midst.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    It is official that Omar Mateen was a closet Homosexual. It has been reported that he frequented Gay bars all over the state of Florida, not just The Pulse in Orlando. He was a regular at a Gay bar in West Palm Beach.
    , @ScarletNumber
    They aren't necessarily bad people.
  58. @Hippopotamusdrome
    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    "What's your name?"

    "My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I'm from from Afghanistan."

    "Are you a Muslim?"

    "No, I'm a Bhuddist."

    "Ok, here's your green card."
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Moslems don't have surnames, they have patronyms-- ibn This, bin That. Or nicknames-- al-This, al-That.
  59. @Svigor
    Here's what I think about all the "the media will spin this" responses here to the Orlando massacre:

    Fishwrap: Confidence in newspapers, TV news hits bottom

    Gallup found that just 20 percent have confidence in newspapers, a 10-point drop in 10 years. TV news saw an identical 10-point drop, from 31 percent to 21 percent.
     
    They're bleeding legitimacy.

    Well Trump is going to need that, even across the Atlantic I can see the media propaganda campaign whirring up into full on attack mode.

  60. @Svigor
    Alain, great comparison. Dylan Roof means they must remove all Confederate flags and disinter all Confederate heroes to unmarked graves in landfills, but a Muslim terrorist who screamed to the world that he was acting out of loyalty for a Muslim terrorist organization doesn't mean anything.

    Hussein also said that Americans must find the courage to change. Steyn was all over this today. America and the west have been bending over backwards for Muslims forever; how about they change for once?

    We should also disallow the flying of Rainbow flags anywhere, especially over the city halls and state houses.

    Don’t want to make those hair-trigger Moose Limbs mad and stuff.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    When our dear leader had the rainbow lighting on the White House, I thought it was a big gratuitous FU to what used to be called the Silent Majority.
  61. I’m not sure how to interpret the media focus on Mateen’s possible homosexuality.

    Instead of the shooting being a political thing, are we now supposed to think it was a … sexual thing? Something gay? Something to do with public bathrooms? What’s being implied here?

    It’s all very confusing, as the saying goes. The waters are being muddied at a very businesslike clip.

    Finally, isn’t it kind of homophobic to blame Mateen’s gayness for his deeds? Just saying.

    • Replies: @Das
    It certainly adds an interesting layer, but doesn't seem particularly relevant to the big issues at stake.

    Maybe if he wasn't gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology.

    But I suppose the gay angle helps the media distract attention away from the obvious question: Why are people like Seddique Mateen allowed to immigrate to this country and raise jihadist children?
    , @Olorin

    isn’t it kind of homophobic to blame Mateen’s gayness for his deeds?
     
    Wal, yah. But in waters this muddied and rushing, who's pausing to think it through?

    We're all about drowning in a sea of sexual (which is to say biological) confusion at this point. Or anyway, the tsunamis keep getting unleashed, despite the seaworthiness of some of the hulls of some of our ancestors.

    Parallel example:

    There was a sideline comment discussion on iSteve in the past few days about Susan Faludi's new book about her elderly father (Hungarian Jew immigrant and photographer) who has decided he's a woman.

    The book deals in large part I understand with his physical and emotional brutality to her, for example on occasions when (((she))) (meaning Faludi fille, not Faludi pere) wanted to socialize with non-Jews.

    Faludi talks about her father this, her father that, and refers to him in the same breath as "father" and "she."

    So the deep-psyche embedded message from a leading feminist of the 1990s ("Backlash: The Undeclared War On American Women") is that the only real woman is a violent man.

    FWIW Faludi's Wikipedia bio refers to him as "a survivor of the Holocaust." Never sure what that means. Aren't we all? But it does leave one wondering whether there wasn't some truth to the early 20th century perception that Europe's Jews had very high rates of mental deformity.

    The original Progressives in the US certainly asserted this in their programs of public health and hygiene in NY, Chicago, and other big cities. Even the radical leftist Emma Goldman recognized the value of eugenics and published pamphlets in Yiddish on the importance of eugenic reproduction among Jews, but now I'm digressing.

    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    Surprised y'all don't see this, as you're usually good at this sort of thing. It's not that he's homosexual; he's a repressed homosexual. The homosexuality is good; it's repressive society that creates monsters from those unfortunates who are conflicted about their homosexuality.

    I have a different theory about the role of his homosexuality, other than repression. I proceed from the adage "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" and the additional observation that the homosexual mentality is a caricature of the feminine.

    The other perverts didn't like him. They rejected him. (Of course, to some extent the clubgoers are adjusting after the fact - but I think it's safe to say he was an unsuccessful homosexual.) Frustrated in his exploits, humiliated by rejection, he took his revenge, buttressed by jihadist rationalizations.

  62. ANY rifle can be an ‘assault rifle’ – if you’re angry enough *drops mic*

  63. Das says:
    @Pericles
    I'm not sure how to interpret the media focus on Mateen's possible homosexuality.

    Instead of the shooting being a political thing, are we now supposed to think it was a ... sexual thing? Something gay? Something to do with public bathrooms? What's being implied here?

    It's all very confusing, as the saying goes. The waters are being muddied at a very businesslike clip.

    Finally, isn't it kind of homophobic to blame Mateen's gayness for his deeds? Just saying.

    It certainly adds an interesting layer, but doesn’t seem particularly relevant to the big issues at stake.

    Maybe if he wasn’t gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology.

    But I suppose the gay angle helps the media distract attention away from the obvious question: Why are people like Seddique Mateen allowed to immigrate to this country and raise jihadist children?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Maybe if he wasn’t gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology."

    According to reports as of last night about his (maybe) present wife (who is now being sought, or is in the custody of, the FBI) he also scouted Disney Springs as a target - a Disney venue which emphasizes shopping and dining and is aimed at adults.

    So the Islamist ideology still seems like the primary motive. He worked in the "security" world, so perhaps he was aware that Disney has pretty thorough and effective security. He might have concluded that the nightclub was just an easier target.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Because Diversity! It is our strength! Just ask Dear Leader Barak! And Leftism!
  64. @iSteveFan

    Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is not fully automatic, meaning users must pull the trigger each time they want to fire a shot.”
     
    If you wish to hit the most targets with the fewest rounds expended, you don't want to us full automatic anyway. In fact when I was in the army soldiers were not allowed to put their weapons on full automatic unless authorized to do so by superiors. Even if this guy had access to a military M-16, he still would have been better off on semi-auto.

    Burst fire wastes ammo. Single shot is how you actually hit something. Perhaps if you are in a confined space and clearing rooms burst fire is justified but then you probably shouldn’t have a long-barrelled weaponry anyway. A shotgun or something like an MP5 is far preferable. This is basic, totally unco ntriversial and widely-known military tactics.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Full automatic or burst fire is used to suppress enemy soldiers who are taking well aimed shots at your troops. The heavy fire is not necessarily meant to hit them. It is meant to make them keep their heads down so that friendly forces can maneuver into position without the enemy taking well-aimed shots at them. Outside of that semi auto is the better way to go.
  65. @Steve Sailer
    Good topic. I will probably have more to say on Italian immigrant anarchism in Taki's.

    They strain a bit to make it “relevant”, but a fair introduction is the independent film “No God, No Master”

  66. Burst fire wastes ammo. Single shot is how you actually hit something. Perhaps if you are in a confined space and clearing rooms burst fire is justified but then you probably shouldn’t have a long-barrelled weaponry anyway. A shotgun or something like an MP5 is far preferable. This is basic, totally unco ntriversial and widely-known military tactics.

    Burst fire has to be pretty useful in many cases, otherwise they wouldn’t put it on the typical service man’s weapon.

    As for barrel length, the typical shotgun sticks out further than an m4 does. AFAIK the military sticks to pump-action shotguns (would be interested in being corrected on this), so length is directly linked to firepower; the shorter the barrel, the less ammo. And reloading a pump is laborious, as is cycling. Shotguns have pretty narrow military use. They may be good for typical house-clearing (with a squad at your back), but they’re about the last thing a mass shooter would want.

    The MP5 suggestion brings us to the “long-barreled weapon” question. MP5s are good weapons (probably overrated because they’re so good-looking, though). They’re also very expensive, even the clones. You can buy like 6 AR-15s for the same money. MP5s are subguns, so they fire pistol calibers (9mm for sure, others almost certainly), which are pretty weak compared to even 5.56. You can assemble* an SBR (short-barreled rifle) that isn’t much longer than an MP5, has a hell of a lot more firepower, and costs 1/5 or less of what an MP5 costs (I’m going by hazy memory of semi-auto MP5 clones being 2 or 3 grand or more).

    So, you’re right about length, but wrong about the concerns forcing one away from the AR platform to shotguns or subguns. Subguns have fallen a long way in popularity, in both civilian, and as I understand it, military roles. SBRs are what pushed them out. Again IIRC, SBRs spun out from elite military circles.

    * There needn’t be much assembly involved. You can buy a completed SBR upper to go with a completed lower and pin them together. It’s illegal without the proper federal paperwork, which these days usually takes the better part of a year, but I doubt the jihadi would be too worried about that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    As for barrel length, the typical shotgun sticks out further than an m4 does. AFAIK the military sticks to pump-action shotguns (would be interested in being corrected on this)...
     
    USMC has M1014's (Benelli M4 Super 90) but there are probably still some pump shotguns floating around here and there. Not sure about the other services.
  67. How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    “What’s your name?”

    “My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I’m from from Afghanistan.”

    “Afghanistan..lemme check my list…sorry, we’re all full up.”

    That’s how. Banning all immigration from problematic countries that export terror is more PC anyway.

    Nothing like learned helplessness.

    Where on earth do you get the idea that liberals never try to ban handguns? One of the most prominent anti-gun groups, founded in 1974, was called “National Council to Control Handguns,” which after 1980 called itself “Handgun Control, Inc.” It changed its name to the “Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in 2001,” adding semi-automatic military-style rifles to the items it wanted banned.

    The left claims to want a lot of things, but I can’t remember the last time they made any real federal-level effort to ban handguns. Can you?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "The left claims to want a lot of things, but I can’t remember the last time they made any real federal-level effort to ban handguns. Can you?"

    You have a short memory. Last week, in California:

    Peruta v. County of San Diego
    , @Dave Pinsen

    That’s how. Banning all immigration from problematic countries that export terror is more PC anyway.
     
    The challenge is going to be European countries with large Muslim populations.
  68. Technically, you can assemble a firearm on the AR platform that is shorter than an MP5, unless I miss my guess. Probably more into AR pistol than SBR territory at that point, though.

  69. I can’t even think of any domestically designed and produced subguns, outside of a few of Kel-Tec’s offerings (KT is the most innovative large manufacturer in the country and has been for a long while), which are notoriously hard to find at retail prices, and not exactly famous for quality. Pistol and SBR AR pattern guns seem to have taken over that role, at least as far as domestic production goes. Collectors with money to burn still like their European (German, Czech) sub-guns, but ARs are so much more affordable and powerful that the decision isn’t even close for most folks. The fact that longer guns chambered in pistol calibers are usually marketed as “carbines” might be throwing me off, though.

  70. Forgot to mention, a bump-fire device (stock?) is by far the most likely way this Muslim terrorist made his rifle full-auto, if in fact he did. I don’t know much about them, but AFAIK they’re perfectly legal and don’t count as automatic under the NFA.

  71. @Clifford Brown
    Trump is right. Local Tri-State media ran with this story longer than the national media. There were multiple Jersey City residents celebrating the attacks.

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/exclusive_jersey_city_cop_residents_say_some_musli.html

    Here is what really happened.

    New Jersey Governor Jim "I am a Gay American" McGreevey appointed his gay Israeli boyfriend/honeypot, Golan Cipel, straight from the Israeli Consulate, to be the head of New Jersey Homeland Security and, lo and behold, under Golan Cipel all 9-1-1 calls on 9/11 in Jersey City were deleted!

    Thus, there is no official record of the Islamic celebrations in Jersey City or the so-called "Dancing Israelis".

    This, by the way, is a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE.

    How many muslims in America celebrated 9/11 amongst themselves in their homes and mosques? Quite a large number, I suspect. Polls would indicate 25-50 % of them.

  72. My mistake, apparently you can’t drop a LL into even a low shelf receiver.

  73. @Svigor

    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    “What’s your name?”

    “My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I’m from from Afghanistan.”

    “Afghanistan..lemme check my list...sorry, we're all full up.”

     

    That's how. Banning all immigration from problematic countries that export terror is more PC anyway.

    Nothing like learned helplessness.

    Where on earth do you get the idea that liberals never try to ban handguns? One of the most prominent anti-gun groups, founded in 1974, was called “National Council to Control Handguns,” which after 1980 called itself “Handgun Control, Inc.” It changed its name to the “Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in 2001,” adding semi-automatic military-style rifles to the items it wanted banned.
     
    The left claims to want a lot of things, but I can't remember the last time they made any real federal-level effort to ban handguns. Can you?

    “The left claims to want a lot of things, but I can’t remember the last time they made any real federal-level effort to ban handguns. Can you?”

    You have a short memory. Last week, in California:

    Peruta v. County of San Diego

  74. @This Is Our Home
    Burst fire wastes ammo. Single shot is how you actually hit something. Perhaps if you are in a confined space and clearing rooms burst fire is justified but then you probably shouldn't have a long-barrelled weaponry anyway. A shotgun or something like an MP5 is far preferable. This is basic, totally unco ntriversial and widely-known military tactics.

    Full automatic or burst fire is used to suppress enemy soldiers who are taking well aimed shots at your troops. The heavy fire is not necessarily meant to hit them. It is meant to make them keep their heads down so that friendly forces can maneuver into position without the enemy taking well-aimed shots at them. Outside of that semi auto is the better way to go.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Contrary to what people see in movies, aimed rifle fire has never been that big a deal in warfare, particularly since 1900 -- first extensive use of MG's in Russo Japanese War 1904.
  75. @Das
    It certainly adds an interesting layer, but doesn't seem particularly relevant to the big issues at stake.

    Maybe if he wasn't gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology.

    But I suppose the gay angle helps the media distract attention away from the obvious question: Why are people like Seddique Mateen allowed to immigrate to this country and raise jihadist children?

    “Maybe if he wasn’t gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology.”

    According to reports as of last night about his (maybe) present wife (who is now being sought, or is in the custody of, the FBI) he also scouted Disney Springs as a target – a Disney venue which emphasizes shopping and dining and is aimed at adults.

    So the Islamist ideology still seems like the primary motive. He worked in the “security” world, so perhaps he was aware that Disney has pretty thorough and effective security. He might have concluded that the nightclub was just an easier target.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    Even if it turns out he was genuinely gay, and that that was key to his act, that hardly removes Islam from the motivational scene.

    One of the most obvious problems with Islam in our culture is precisely that it is so primitive and violent in its attitudes.

    There used to be incidents of homosexual panic many decades ago in the US, when homosexuality was still condemned. Of course, even at the time, none resulted in mass murders on the scale of Orlando, if any resulted in mass murder at all.

    But in Islam, the rejection of homosexuality is so severe, and its punishment so extreme -- death -- that homosexual panic is raised to an entirely new level.

    And now we see that under Islam, Orlando is the form homosexual panic can take.

    So maybe we'd all be better off having fewer, not more, Muslims in our midst. And, I should think, this would especially be true for gays. Do they really want to be around another Muslim working out his issues with being gay?

    And, generally, do they think they should have to take one for the progressive team, when taking one means dozens of them are killed?

  76. Wow. Looks like a little Gay party is getting started…

    https://www.facebook.com/LGBTrump?hc_location=ufi

  77. @Svigor
    Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub "a dozen" times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative.

    Or he was doing recon, checking out the target in preparation for attacking it.

  78. @iSteveFan
    Full automatic or burst fire is used to suppress enemy soldiers who are taking well aimed shots at your troops. The heavy fire is not necessarily meant to hit them. It is meant to make them keep their heads down so that friendly forces can maneuver into position without the enemy taking well-aimed shots at them. Outside of that semi auto is the better way to go.

    Contrary to what people see in movies, aimed rifle fire has never been that big a deal in warfare, particularly since 1900 — first extensive use of MG’s in Russo Japanese War 1904.

  79. A bit off-topic, I spotted this interesting rant from Mike Smith’s blog who give us a point of view about the Orlando shooting from South Africa as well as this blog. (or check the archived copy https://archive.is/xW59F )

  80. @Mr. Anon
    "Maybe if he wasn’t gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology."

    According to reports as of last night about his (maybe) present wife (who is now being sought, or is in the custody of, the FBI) he also scouted Disney Springs as a target - a Disney venue which emphasizes shopping and dining and is aimed at adults.

    So the Islamist ideology still seems like the primary motive. He worked in the "security" world, so perhaps he was aware that Disney has pretty thorough and effective security. He might have concluded that the nightclub was just an easier target.

    Even if it turns out he was genuinely gay, and that that was key to his act, that hardly removes Islam from the motivational scene.

    One of the most obvious problems with Islam in our culture is precisely that it is so primitive and violent in its attitudes.

    There used to be incidents of homosexual panic many decades ago in the US, when homosexuality was still condemned. Of course, even at the time, none resulted in mass murders on the scale of Orlando, if any resulted in mass murder at all.

    But in Islam, the rejection of homosexuality is so severe, and its punishment so extreme — death — that homosexual panic is raised to an entirely new level.

    And now we see that under Islam, Orlando is the form homosexual panic can take.

    So maybe we’d all be better off having fewer, not more, Muslims in our midst. And, I should think, this would especially be true for gays. Do they really want to be around another Muslim working out his issues with being gay?

    And, generally, do they think they should have to take one for the progressive team, when taking one means dozens of them are killed?

  81. Not only did he celebrate 9/11, but he had a family member help him while he planned attacks.

  82. Re how the Orlando shooter’s parents got into the country, Daniel Hopsicker is on the case:

    http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/13/orlando-shooter-dad-longtime-cia-asset/

    Maybe there was another “Uncle Ruslan”…

  83. @Pericles
    I'm not sure how to interpret the media focus on Mateen's possible homosexuality.

    Instead of the shooting being a political thing, are we now supposed to think it was a ... sexual thing? Something gay? Something to do with public bathrooms? What's being implied here?

    It's all very confusing, as the saying goes. The waters are being muddied at a very businesslike clip.

    Finally, isn't it kind of homophobic to blame Mateen's gayness for his deeds? Just saying.

    isn’t it kind of homophobic to blame Mateen’s gayness for his deeds?

    Wal, yah. But in waters this muddied and rushing, who’s pausing to think it through?

    We’re all about drowning in a sea of sexual (which is to say biological) confusion at this point. Or anyway, the tsunamis keep getting unleashed, despite the seaworthiness of some of the hulls of some of our ancestors.

    Parallel example:

    There was a sideline comment discussion on iSteve in the past few days about Susan Faludi’s new book about her elderly father (Hungarian Jew immigrant and photographer) who has decided he’s a woman.

    The book deals in large part I understand with his physical and emotional brutality to her, for example on occasions when (((she))) (meaning Faludi fille, not Faludi pere) wanted to socialize with non-Jews.

    Faludi talks about her father this, her father that, and refers to him in the same breath as “father” and “she.”

    So the deep-psyche embedded message from a leading feminist of the 1990s (“Backlash: The Undeclared War On American Women”) is that the only real woman is a violent man.

    FWIW Faludi’s Wikipedia bio refers to him as “a survivor of the Holocaust.” Never sure what that means. Aren’t we all? But it does leave one wondering whether there wasn’t some truth to the early 20th century perception that Europe’s Jews had very high rates of mental deformity.

    The original Progressives in the US certainly asserted this in their programs of public health and hygiene in NY, Chicago, and other big cities. Even the radical leftist Emma Goldman recognized the value of eugenics and published pamphlets in Yiddish on the importance of eugenic reproduction among Jews, but now I’m digressing.

  84. You have a short memory. Last week, in California

    On the contrary, I have a very long memory. It was razor-sharp until a few years ago, too. 🙂

    Can’t remember what you never knew. But that’s California doing it to themselves, not DC doing it to everyone. I’d prefer that every state respect the Constitution, but I can reconcile myself with the idea of a laboratory of the states. Though I think it would be much better if it was left to municipalities to decide stuff like this.

    Full automatic or burst fire is used to suppress enemy soldiers who are taking well aimed shots at your troops. The heavy fire is not necessarily meant to hit them. It is meant to make them keep their heads down so that friendly forces can maneuver into position without the enemy taking well-aimed shots at them. Outside of that semi auto is the better way to go.

    Not to put too fine a point on it (and not that I’m contradicting you), but supressive fire can be massed semi-auto, too. That’s how they took the beaches on D-Day, from what I gather; lots of guys pouring semi-auto fire into the openings in the bunkers, while demo teams move in close.

    Or he was doing recon, checking out the target in preparation for attacking it.

    It sounds like a lot more than recon to me. You don’t visit more than a dozen times, get to know people, get drunk and belligerent, pull knives on patrons, etc., for recon. It sounds pretty consistent with a very conflicted psyche, though.

    Even if it turns out he was genuinely gay, and that that was key to his act, that hardly removes Islam from the motivational scene.

    Correctamundo. Clash of civilizations, big time. Rush just mentioned that 11 Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Rush just mentioned that 11 Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality.
     
    Only 11? What about the other 46?
  85. @rod1963
    Many Muslim males first sexual experience is at the hands of another Muslim male. Usually a teacher sheik or mullah of some kind.

    Oh yeah then there are the Afghani "dancing boys" that older men serially molest.

    Then there's the bestiality that is common among Muslim men. Evidently it was so prevalent in Iraq and Afghanistan our troops were forbidden to speak of it. Yet they saw it nightly with their NV gear.

    In short these are very bad people, we have zero business importing these modern day Morlocks into a post-modern society that for the most part has lost the ability to notice they just invited evil into their midst.

    It is official that Omar Mateen was a closet Homosexual. It has been reported that he frequented Gay bars all over the state of Florida, not just The Pulse in Orlando. He was a regular at a Gay bar in West Palm Beach.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Well that just means that we not only need to be nicer to Muslims so that they won't get angry and kill us, but that we need to be extra nice to Muslim poofters!

    See. That was easy. Now get with the program!
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yes, it's being homosexual that did it, not coming from a backwards Islamic family, visiting Mecca, being religious (per ex-wife)... No, none of that.
  86. Are Christian Arabs less likely to name their sons Muhammad/Mohammad?

    Has anybody here ever met a Christian Arab named Muhammad/Mohammad?

  87. @Jefferson
    "Turns out Mateen visited the nightclub “a dozen” times before he walked in and started shooting. Got drunk and belligerent. So, he was probably a homosexual himself. Closeted homosexual with a homophobic father; the media have their narrative."

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.

    Sir Richard Burton (the discoverer of the source of the Nile, not the actor) suggested that much of the Islamic world, along with other tropical and subtropical areas, constituted a “sotadic zone” in which homosexuality was endemic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotadic_zone

    Another cultural tradition in much of this area is polygamy, which results in older and richer men having multiple wives, typically kept in purdah, leaving younger and poorer ones with no access to women. As a result, the latter live either in a constant state of sexual frustration, or turn to each other for sexual release, and feel shame at having done so. It seems like a reliable formula for creating a population of young, unstable men who are easily induced to acts of violence, often culminating in suicide.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    There is a story, probably apochryphal, about an Afghan who was an interpreter for US troops. He complained to them that his wife could not get pregnant no matter how many times he tried. Bottom line is that our guys explained to Achmed that maybe he should, shall we say, try another entrance. A great story and not beyond the pale.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    There was a movie about Burton and Speke (Mountains of the Moon) that included a gay kiss between them. Not sure if that was a dramatic liberty or not.
  88. Mike Smith mentioned the “three names” thing. Might as well take this opportunity to suggest my theory that these people don’t go by their full names any more than anyone else, but rather, the media chooses to identify them this specifically so that Mike Smith doesn’t get blamed for what Mike A-Hole Smith did. Hollywood does the same thing, because of SAG rules (I think) about no duplicate names in credits.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Academics identity by three names all the time. Shows they're special, with cool middle names. Unlike country folk like Jim Don Bob who should FOAD at the earliest opportunity.
  89. @JohnnyWalker123
    Surname analysis.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1797082/

    Moslems don’t have surnames, they have patronyms– ibn This, bin That. Or nicknames– al-This, al-That.

  90. @Hippopotamusdrome
    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    "What's your name?"

    "My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I'm from from Afghanistan."

    "Are you a Muslim?"

    "No, I'm a Bhuddist."

    "Ok, here's your green card."

    How about looking at the guy’s ID? In at least some of those countries, people’s religion is meticulously tracked and documented. It shouldn’t be too difficult to prove.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    What if he stopps attending mosque for six months and claims he's a nominal Christian now? You might need to have some sort of court to conduct an inquest to verify that he is sincere.
  91. @Crawfurdmuir

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.
     
    Sir Richard Burton (the discoverer of the source of the Nile, not the actor) suggested that much of the Islamic world, along with other tropical and subtropical areas, constituted a "sotadic zone" in which homosexuality was endemic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotadic_zone

    Another cultural tradition in much of this area is polygamy, which results in older and richer men having multiple wives, typically kept in purdah, leaving younger and poorer ones with no access to women. As a result, the latter live either in a constant state of sexual frustration, or turn to each other for sexual release, and feel shame at having done so. It seems like a reliable formula for creating a population of young, unstable men who are easily induced to acts of violence, often culminating in suicide.

    There is a story, probably apochryphal, about an Afghan who was an interpreter for US troops. He complained to them that his wife could not get pregnant no matter how many times he tried. Bottom line is that our guys explained to Achmed that maybe he should, shall we say, try another entrance. A great story and not beyond the pale.

  92. @rod1963
    Many Muslim males first sexual experience is at the hands of another Muslim male. Usually a teacher sheik or mullah of some kind.

    Oh yeah then there are the Afghani "dancing boys" that older men serially molest.

    Then there's the bestiality that is common among Muslim men. Evidently it was so prevalent in Iraq and Afghanistan our troops were forbidden to speak of it. Yet they saw it nightly with their NV gear.

    In short these are very bad people, we have zero business importing these modern day Morlocks into a post-modern society that for the most part has lost the ability to notice they just invited evil into their midst.

    They aren’t necessarily bad people.

  93. @Jefferson
    It is official that Omar Mateen was a closet Homosexual. It has been reported that he frequented Gay bars all over the state of Florida, not just The Pulse in Orlando. He was a regular at a Gay bar in West Palm Beach.

    Well that just means that we not only need to be nicer to Muslims so that they won’t get angry and kill us, but that we need to be extra nice to Muslim poofters!

    See. That was easy. Now get with the program!

  94. @Svigor
    Mike Smith mentioned the "three names" thing. Might as well take this opportunity to suggest my theory that these people don't go by their full names any more than anyone else, but rather, the media chooses to identify them this specifically so that Mike Smith doesn't get blamed for what Mike A-Hole Smith did. Hollywood does the same thing, because of SAG rules (I think) about no duplicate names in credits.

    Academics identity by three names all the time. Shows they’re special, with cool middle names. Unlike country folk like Jim Don Bob who should FOAD at the earliest opportunity.

  95. @Jefferson
    It is official that Omar Mateen was a closet Homosexual. It has been reported that he frequented Gay bars all over the state of Florida, not just The Pulse in Orlando. He was a regular at a Gay bar in West Palm Beach.

    Yes, it’s being homosexual that did it, not coming from a backwards Islamic family, visiting Mecca, being religious (per ex-wife)… No, none of that.

  96. @Pericles
    I'm not sure how to interpret the media focus on Mateen's possible homosexuality.

    Instead of the shooting being a political thing, are we now supposed to think it was a ... sexual thing? Something gay? Something to do with public bathrooms? What's being implied here?

    It's all very confusing, as the saying goes. The waters are being muddied at a very businesslike clip.

    Finally, isn't it kind of homophobic to blame Mateen's gayness for his deeds? Just saying.

    Surprised y’all don’t see this, as you’re usually good at this sort of thing. It’s not that he’s homosexual; he’s a repressed homosexual. The homosexuality is good; it’s repressive society that creates monsters from those unfortunates who are conflicted about their homosexuality.

    I have a different theory about the role of his homosexuality, other than repression. I proceed from the adage “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” and the additional observation that the homosexual mentality is a caricature of the feminine.

    The other perverts didn’t like him. They rejected him. (Of course, to some extent the clubgoers are adjusting after the fact – but I think it’s safe to say he was an unsuccessful homosexual.) Frustrated in his exploits, humiliated by rejection, he took his revenge, buttressed by jihadist rationalizations.

  97. @Hippopotamusdrome
    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    "What's your name?"

    "My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I'm from from Afghanistan."

    "Are you a Muslim?"

    "No, I'm a Bhuddist."

    "Ok, here's your green card."

    Easily solved by the immigration moratorium.

  98. @Das
    It certainly adds an interesting layer, but doesn't seem particularly relevant to the big issues at stake.

    Maybe if he wasn't gay, he would have gunned down a shopping mall or a concert hall instead of a gay bar.

    The underlying reason why he wanted to gun down dozens of innocent people was his Islamist ideology.

    But I suppose the gay angle helps the media distract attention away from the obvious question: Why are people like Seddique Mateen allowed to immigrate to this country and raise jihadist children?

    Because Diversity! It is our strength! Just ask Dear Leader Barak! And Leftism!

  99. @Svigor

    You have a short memory. Last week, in California
     
    On the contrary, I have a very long memory. It was razor-sharp until a few years ago, too. :)

    Can't remember what you never knew. But that's California doing it to themselves, not DC doing it to everyone. I'd prefer that every state respect the Constitution, but I can reconcile myself with the idea of a laboratory of the states. Though I think it would be much better if it was left to municipalities to decide stuff like this.

    Full automatic or burst fire is used to suppress enemy soldiers who are taking well aimed shots at your troops. The heavy fire is not necessarily meant to hit them. It is meant to make them keep their heads down so that friendly forces can maneuver into position without the enemy taking well-aimed shots at them. Outside of that semi auto is the better way to go.
     
    Not to put too fine a point on it (and not that I'm contradicting you), but supressive fire can be massed semi-auto, too. That's how they took the beaches on D-Day, from what I gather; lots of guys pouring semi-auto fire into the openings in the bunkers, while demo teams move in close.

    Or he was doing recon, checking out the target in preparation for attacking it.
     
    It sounds like a lot more than recon to me. You don't visit more than a dozen times, get to know people, get drunk and belligerent, pull knives on patrons, etc., for recon. It sounds pretty consistent with a very conflicted psyche, though.

    Even if it turns out he was genuinely gay, and that that was key to his act, that hardly removes Islam from the motivational scene.
     
    Correctamundo. Clash of civilizations, big time. Rush just mentioned that 11 Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality.

    Rush just mentioned that 11 Muslim countries have the death penalty for homosexuality.

    Only 11? What about the other 46?

  100. @Svigor

    How would a Muslim ban be enforced though.

    “What’s your name?”

    “My name is Mohammed bin Mohammed and I’m from from Afghanistan.”

    “Afghanistan..lemme check my list...sorry, we're all full up.”

     

    That's how. Banning all immigration from problematic countries that export terror is more PC anyway.

    Nothing like learned helplessness.

    Where on earth do you get the idea that liberals never try to ban handguns? One of the most prominent anti-gun groups, founded in 1974, was called “National Council to Control Handguns,” which after 1980 called itself “Handgun Control, Inc.” It changed its name to the “Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in 2001,” adding semi-automatic military-style rifles to the items it wanted banned.
     
    The left claims to want a lot of things, but I can't remember the last time they made any real federal-level effort to ban handguns. Can you?

    That’s how. Banning all immigration from problematic countries that export terror is more PC anyway.

    The challenge is going to be European countries with large Muslim populations.

  101. @Crawfurdmuir

    Down-low Homosexuality is a lot more common in the Islamic world than people think.
     
    Sir Richard Burton (the discoverer of the source of the Nile, not the actor) suggested that much of the Islamic world, along with other tropical and subtropical areas, constituted a "sotadic zone" in which homosexuality was endemic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotadic_zone

    Another cultural tradition in much of this area is polygamy, which results in older and richer men having multiple wives, typically kept in purdah, leaving younger and poorer ones with no access to women. As a result, the latter live either in a constant state of sexual frustration, or turn to each other for sexual release, and feel shame at having done so. It seems like a reliable formula for creating a population of young, unstable men who are easily induced to acts of violence, often culminating in suicide.

    There was a movie about Burton and Speke (Mountains of the Moon) that included a gay kiss between them. Not sure if that was a dramatic liberty or not.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    There was a movie about Burton and Speke (Mountains of the Moon) that included a gay kiss between them. Not sure if that was a dramatic liberty or not.
     
    It impresses me as dramatic license.

    Allegations that Burton was homo- or bisexual seem to have stemmed from an episode that took place when he was a young officer in the Indian Army. According to Wikipedia,

    It was at this point that he began to work as an agent for [General Sir Charles] Napier and, although details of exactly what this work entailed are not known, it is known that he participated in an undercover investigation of a brothel in Karachi said to be frequented by British soldiers where the prostitutes were young boys. His lifelong interest in sexual practices led him to produce a detailed report which was later to cause trouble for Burton when subsequent readers of the report (which Burton had been assured would be kept secret) came to believe that Burton had, himself, participated in some of the practices described in his writing.
     
    At a time when discussion of sexual behavior of any kind was not accepted in polite society, Burton interested himself in the sexual customs of India and the Middle East, and wrote, translated, and published extensively (for private circulation) on them. His curiosity and candor about such subjects would not be unusual in a modern cultural anthropologist, but were quite unusual in the nineteenth century, and gave rise to rumors about his personal conduct that have never been definitively confirmed or disproved.
  102. Link is dead. Here is a link to an Inside Edition clip that mentions the celebrating:

  103. @Olorin
    We should also disallow the flying of Rainbow flags anywhere, especially over the city halls and state houses.

    Don't want to make those hair-trigger Moose Limbs mad and stuff.

    When our dear leader had the rainbow lighting on the White House, I thought it was a big gratuitous FU to what used to be called the Silent Majority.

  104. “Can’t remember what you never knew. But that’s California doing it to themselves, not DC doing it to everyone.”

    No, it’s the feds. The ruling was by the federal 9th circuit court of appeals. They effectively vitiated the “and bear arms” part of the 2nd amendment, potentially within the entire jurisdiction of the 9th circuit court. The salient point is, lefties have not given up on banning guns in toto – even handguns.

  105. @Anonymous
    How about looking at the guy's ID? In at least some of those countries, people's religion is meticulously tracked and documented. It shouldn't be too difficult to prove.

    What if he stopps attending mosque for six months and claims he’s a nominal Christian now? You might need to have some sort of court to conduct an inquest to verify that he is sincere.

  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Burst fire wastes ammo. Single shot is how you actually hit something. Perhaps if you are in a confined space and clearing rooms burst fire is justified but then you probably shouldn’t have a long-barrelled weaponry anyway. A shotgun or something like an MP5 is far preferable. This is basic, totally unco ntriversial and widely-known military tactics.
     
    Burst fire has to be pretty useful in many cases, otherwise they wouldn't put it on the typical service man's weapon.

    As for barrel length, the typical shotgun sticks out further than an m4 does. AFAIK the military sticks to pump-action shotguns (would be interested in being corrected on this), so length is directly linked to firepower; the shorter the barrel, the less ammo. And reloading a pump is laborious, as is cycling. Shotguns have pretty narrow military use. They may be good for typical house-clearing (with a squad at your back), but they're about the last thing a mass shooter would want.

    The MP5 suggestion brings us to the "long-barreled weapon" question. MP5s are good weapons (probably overrated because they're so good-looking, though). They're also very expensive, even the clones. You can buy like 6 AR-15s for the same money. MP5s are subguns, so they fire pistol calibers (9mm for sure, others almost certainly), which are pretty weak compared to even 5.56. You can assemble* an SBR (short-barreled rifle) that isn't much longer than an MP5, has a hell of a lot more firepower, and costs 1/5 or less of what an MP5 costs (I'm going by hazy memory of semi-auto MP5 clones being 2 or 3 grand or more).

    So, you're right about length, but wrong about the concerns forcing one away from the AR platform to shotguns or subguns. Subguns have fallen a long way in popularity, in both civilian, and as I understand it, military roles. SBRs are what pushed them out. Again IIRC, SBRs spun out from elite military circles.

    * There needn't be much assembly involved. You can buy a completed SBR upper to go with a completed lower and pin them together. It's illegal without the proper federal paperwork, which these days usually takes the better part of a year, but I doubt the jihadi would be too worried about that.

    As for barrel length, the typical shotgun sticks out further than an m4 does. AFAIK the military sticks to pump-action shotguns (would be interested in being corrected on this)…

    USMC has M1014’s (Benelli M4 Super 90) but there are probably still some pump shotguns floating around here and there. Not sure about the other services.

  107. I like the conceit that our intelligence agencies are good enough to determine whether or not a person is a terrorist, but not good enough to determine whether or not a person is a Muslim.

  108. @Dave Pinsen
    There was a movie about Burton and Speke (Mountains of the Moon) that included a gay kiss between them. Not sure if that was a dramatic liberty or not.

    There was a movie about Burton and Speke (Mountains of the Moon) that included a gay kiss between them. Not sure if that was a dramatic liberty or not.

    It impresses me as dramatic license.

    Allegations that Burton was homo- or bisexual seem to have stemmed from an episode that took place when he was a young officer in the Indian Army. According to Wikipedia,

    It was at this point that he began to work as an agent for [General Sir Charles] Napier and, although details of exactly what this work entailed are not known, it is known that he participated in an undercover investigation of a brothel in Karachi said to be frequented by British soldiers where the prostitutes were young boys. His lifelong interest in sexual practices led him to produce a detailed report which was later to cause trouble for Burton when subsequent readers of the report (which Burton had been assured would be kept secret) came to believe that Burton had, himself, participated in some of the practices described in his writing.

    At a time when discussion of sexual behavior of any kind was not accepted in polite society, Burton interested himself in the sexual customs of India and the Middle East, and wrote, translated, and published extensively (for private circulation) on them. His curiosity and candor about such subjects would not be unusual in a modern cultural anthropologist, but were quite unusual in the nineteenth century, and gave rise to rumors about his personal conduct that have never been definitively confirmed or disproved.

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