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I pay little attention to all this Spy vs. Spy stuff, nor do I watch much TV, so I really don’t know what I’m talking about. But I suspect that Trump’s problem this week is that he looked beta to Putin’s alpha at their much denounced press conference.

 
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  1. Zogby says:

    It wasn’t at all like that and Trump wasn’t humiliated in any way. Trump is being attacked for not being confrontational with Putin. Of course, Putin wasn’t confrontational either, but that is being taken for granted. Since Trump knows how to be confrontational when he wants to be it is obvious he chose not to. That is what’s driving his demented opponents mad. They tried their best shot at bullying Trump into picking up their agenda of confrontation against Putin. Trump deflected all their attempts. And what is that agenda? To give Putin a verbal dressing down for helping Trump win the 2016 election. And why did Putin allegedly do that? Because Hillary Clinton promised to confront Russia even if it leads to nuclear war. And Trump tried to promote peace with Russia. And what the Russian interference expose? Real malfeasance in the DNC to rig the election against Sanders. And who voted in the election? Americans. And who did the choose? Trump. So what now? Well, according to Trump’s oppononents – the ones that lost – Trump’s win is only due to this interference in which the voters were duped by a true whistleblowing from the Russians about DNC malfeasance – and in which the winner honestly said he wants peace. So now Trump should confront the Russians about them helping him – in order to prove he wasn’t in on it – and then maybe we can get the war that the losing candidate promised and the winning candidate promised to avoid.

    I kid you not.

  2. Sid says:

    To be honest, it’s not really the case that Trump looked weak before Putin. Trump and Putin looked about as alpha as one another, with no one really edging over the other.

    Trump was more animated and flamboyant, Putin more reserved, but that’s just what their personalities are like, and neither came across as stronger or weaker than the other.

    The charge that Trump “caved” to Putin or what not is just Democratic nagging over how Trump doesn’t even pretend to care about the “Russia hacked our democracy” narrative. It’s like an angry woman telling a man that he isn’t tough or masculine because he isn’t doing what she wants him to do.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @hyperbola
  3. Zogby says:

    It wasn’t at all like that and Trump wasn’t humiliated in any way. Trump is being attacked for not being confrontational with Putin. Of course, Putin wasn’t confrontational either, but that is being taken for granted. Since Trump knows how to be confrontational when he wants to be it is obvious he chose not to. That is what’s driving his demented opponents mad. They tried their best shot at bullying Trump into picking up their agenda of confrontation against Putin. Trump deflected all their attempts. And what is that agenda? To give Putin a verbal dressing down for helping Trump win the 2016 election. And why did Putin allegedly do that? Because Hillary Clinton promised to confront Russia even if it leads to nuclear war. And Trump tried to promote peace with Russia. And what the Russian interference expose? Real malfeasance in the DNC to rig the election against Sanders. And who voted in the election? Americans. And who did they choose? Trump. So what now? Well, according to Trump’s oppononents – the ones that lost – Trump’s win is only due to this interference in which the voters were duped by a true whistleblowing from the Russians about DNC malfeasance – and in which the winner honestly said he wants peace. So now Trump should confront the Russians about them helping him – in order to prove he wasn’t in on it – and then maybe we can get the war that the losing candidate promised and the winning candidate promised to avoid.

    I kid you not.

    • Replies: @Lot
  4. Yeah, that was almost inevitable. As the Democrats have framed Russiagate as “Trump is Putin’s puppet” and “Putin is a master manipulator” almost any move he made toward Putin was bound to make Putin look strong and he look relatively weak.

    And I agree that the comments on the situation, from LGTBrennan’s “treason” to doubting Thomas’s “unforced error”, are not really based in rational assessment of the situation, leaving our animal emotions as the motivating force behind the week’s commentary.

  5. Also, shouldn’t it be…?

    out-мачо’d

    • Replies: @Olorin
  6. Disagree. The difference was that Putin, unlike Trump, knew he had control of his domestic situation. Trump, an Alpha if ever there was one, was preparing to face the lions. The power of the US Deep State was immediately evident with the highly insulting and arrogant press corps on hand. I love how Trump is handling this. The transparent BS of the “walk back” regarding the dishonesty of our intel agencies was great, preceded by a reaffirmation of the importance of improving ties with Russia. Erin Burnett (CNN) exclaimed “It’s an insult to our intelligence!” Yeah, that’s right, you moron. The lights going off the very moment when he affirmed his faith in the US intel community was very interesting too. This must have been theater arranged by Trump’s team imo. He was not spooked at all, and joked about how the intel agencies must have done it. Now he’s announcing a second meeting with Putin in Washington coming up this fall. This is real in-your-face stuff that our Deep State has never seen before, and their options are pretty limited (I hope and pray), since this is all playing out under the spotlights now.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  7. President Trump sounded tired (and looked a bit old) in that press conference, especially when you compare it to the press conference just a few days ago, with Theresa May.

    Also, Putin, although much smaller than Trump, comes across as very physically fit and vigorous in his manner, and mentally quick, more so than most other current world leaders.

    Some years ago I watched part of one of Putin’s four hour long town-hall citizen Q&A sessions. He really is good at thinking on his feet and is well prepared and informed, with facts at his fingertips. Bill Clinton used to come across the same way, though Bill Clinton tended to be dilatory in his manner of speech. Putin is more crisp.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @Anon
  8. While President Trump is hardly a pushover, much of his Alpha posturing and body language is kind of a goof, and play acting: him never having quite “gone to the mattresses” with the building trades labor goons; corrupt (or honest, ‘though that’s hard to imagine); city bureaucrats of various stripes; materials suppliers; surpassingly arrogant entertainment media execs, insufferable diva actors/actresses, bigshots in the “gaming industry” etc. who were often in a position to cause him economic damage, but probably never real physical harm. (To be sure Trump was also always surrounded by personal and corporate bodyguards, and probably harder-core dudes that the Secret Service detail now doing the job on the US taxpayers’ nickle.)

    By contrast, Vladimir (which incidentally, while a common Russian name, literally means “ruler of the world”) Putin was an operational officer in the KGB for several decades, the last several of which he was a full colonel . They played hardball from beginning to end. Putin is also in vastly better physical shape, especially considering he’s only seven years younger than Trump. That’s no small thing in alpha male face-offs…maybe the biggest thing even.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  9. Anonym says:

    Trump could parade Putin around in a gimp suit and still the media would excoriate him somehow. The best thing about Trump is that he realizes this and calls them fake news.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Olorin
  10. Jason Liu says:

    Doesn’t the liberal press think alpha maledom is evil and outdated? By that standard Trump is the sensitive nu-male who won’t hurt their feelings.

    Goes to show that American media is like an insecure woman gaslighting people she doesn’t like. It needs a purge.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  11. utu says:

    hour long town-hall citizen Q&A sessions. He really is good at thinking on his feet

    Do you think that questions are random and spontaneous? It must be all scripted.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  12. Well, Putin does have that sinister Russian accent, so there was no way that Trump, who towered over Putin, was going to come off as dominant.

  13. Zippy says:

    I think you (and Piltdown Man) are onto something here.

    When Reagan met with Gorbachev in Geneva, he arrived a day early, was well-rested, and he refused to put on his coat when he went outside to greet Gorbachev. Then, when they walked up the stairs, he held Gorby’s arm like he was supporting the man, who was twenty years Reagan’s junior. Reagan projected strength and vigor.

    Whereas Trump in the press conference seemed almost obsequious toward Putin, who was much more quick-witted and in command. This looked particularly bad, because it contrasted so badly with Trump’s usual macho man persona.

    I think I understand why Trump did this — he gets that some people respond better to flattering than bullying. He himself is one such person, after all. In terms of the actual one-on-one negotiations, flattery might be a better strategy. But he forgets that he’s not just negotiating with Putin.

    This may have been a case where Trump’s age caught up with him, in addition to his poor diet, exercise, and sleep habits. He’s clearly a vigorous high energy guy, but he is old and overweight. Reagan was old too, but he did build in rest time in his schedule.

  14. Yes, Trump looked soft and acted too conciliatory to Putin in that press conference. I say this as a person who admires Putin, kind of likes Trump and would have voted for him if I were an American. Putin even had to say something like “Mr. Trump considers Russia’s acquisition of Crimea to be illegal”, on Trump’s behalf!

    That being said, Trump could never have pleased the Aspen Institute types. The only thing that matters to them is whether or not Trump plays along with the Narrative. Things would be fine if everyone simply stuck to the Narrative!

  15. I watched the whole press conference. I’m a pretty good student of game, charisma, etc. thanks to discovering Heartiste/Roissy over a decade ago.

    President Trump was…himself. Bold and brash. A bit tired perhaps, which isn’t surprising with such a travel schedule. But not out of it.

    Putin came across as energetic (which he probably is with his physical fitness and HGH injections), but not dominant. The main impression I got from Putin was that he’s on the autism spectrum. I don’t mean that as an insult, but rather that he’d fit in as an Unz Review commenter. He’s concerned with details and facts.

    One of the more amusing things Putin did at the conference was to propose that the US join Russia in establishing a global oil & gas cartel to fix prices.

    The only thing that would’ve satisfied Trump’s enemies would’ve been if he’d physically assaulted Putin to punish him for ASSAULTING OUR DEMOCRACY.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  16. Objectively, Trump isn’t going to ever beat Putin man to man. The Russian did learn close combat as a KGB man, still practices martial arts, and does macho things like ride horses and hunt. He’s very much a Russian Reagan, who liked to be shown riding cowboy style on his ranch.

  17. The press is in their manic phase as they think this time for sure we’ve got him. But the bi-polar swing will come as they find once again they have not.

    Supreme court confirmation win
    Tariff policy
    Illegal Immigrant support abolish ICE insanity from the left.

    It seems to me the left is going to shoot itself in the foot for the midterms.

    We are overdue for an economic downturn, but God looks out for drunks, Trump, and the USA.

  18. Trump did that on purpose. Such a marked difference in body language doesn’t happen by accident, especially not to a brilliant communicator like Trump. Like during the Kim Jong Un summit, did you notice how Trump was always touching Un and leaning in? That wasn’t an accident either. Putin is the leader of a weaker nation, and Trump was trying to build him up. By the same token, it is critically important to Putin, for political and cultural reasons. to out-Alpha the President of the United States. It’s much less important to Trump. This stuff is just diplomacy.

  19. One of the problems with the conversation about who’s more macho than whom, is that it’s overwhelmingly being carried out by silly White ladies. Obama is physically or mentally tougher than Putin and was indimidating him in this photo? You’ve got to drink a lot of white wine to believe that:

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  20. Doesn’t the editorial board of the NY Times think that Sodomy is a good thing and something that should be enthusiastically encouraged?

  21. Trump don’t give a damn about no macho crap in regards to Putin. Trump is the size of a retired NFL linebacker and Trump knows that his enemies are in the Deep State. Trump knew that by just standing next to Putin at the press conference he would send the globalizers and the Deep State treasonites over the edge.

    Trumpy knows TV. I saw pictures and video of the press conference with Putin, it looked like two leaders making sure no nuclear war would break out. Trumpy should keep saying that he wants no nuclear war with Russia, that will leave the implication that Trump’s enemies desire a destructive nuclear war with Putin and Russia. Do you want nuclear war with Russia? Almost all Americans would immediately say no.

    Putin is 5 feet 6 inches tall and he weighs 157 pounds. Putin is a judo chopper from way back, but Trump is at least 6 feet 2 inches tall and he weighs about 240 pounds. I saw Trump in person, 3 times, and he is a guy you wouldn’t provoke just for the hell of it.

    As for commanding presence at the press conference, I’ll repeat my point that Trump’s enemies, and the enemy of the American people, are the Deep State government worker rats who infest the upper reaches of the American Empire.

    A lot of us called for Trump to fire every government worker rat in the Deep State, and many more, in order to make sure no Obama or Bush or Clinton holdovers would try to thwart his actions.

    I blame Trump for not firing those government worker bastards en masse. And then Trump puts that Koch boy whore Marc Short in charge of his legislative agenda? Marc Short is a rancid puke. What the hell was Trump thinking?

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
  22. fnn says:

    The NRA Russian “spy” case feels like it should be lot more entertaining than it is. I think we’re all suffering from Russia fatigue.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    , @Corn
  23. Trump should focus attention on the likelihood that the Russians hacked the DNC and Hillary servers in order to get blackmail material on Hillary as president. Whatever was released before the election was intended to send the message to her that they got into her server and had more info.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  24. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:

    Nah, if you watch the video Putin follows Trump’s lead on when to sit, when to speak and what was to be spoken of.

    Trump did look tired but so did Putin, at the outset of the meeting when they were taking photos.

    Putin also looked somewhat unstressed, which he hasn’t looked since George W. Bush’s 1st term- basically before Bush and the USG screwed him over with the Orange Revolution and hurt his feelings.

    Trump’s current problem is that the media and intelligence community were coordinating to build up that moment for the kill shot. He knew it, they knew it- no matter what happened it was coming.

    After maximizing hysteria, the meeting itself was the signal to go all out for impeachment.

    How does one deal with that problem while having near zero political allies?

  25. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Trump looked tired, but blaming that for the moonbat tantrums is giving them credit that is not warranted. if he had strapped a saddle on Putin and rode him around the press room, our lunatics would have been just as unhinged.

    The mistake that has to end is the search for a rational explanation to Progressive behavior. That’s not how cults work. No one tries to find rationality in Scientology’s appeal.

  26. vinteuil says:

    For once, I think you’re wrong on both counts.

    Trump didn’t get “outmachoed” by Putin.

    And that’s most certainly not his “current problem.”

  27. Trump Puts America First

    I wrote this in February of 2018:

    The Democrats are using the Russia — Russia — Russia — attack as a way of suggesting that they are in some way guardians of national concerns or national security. The Democrats are using pseudo-nationalistic rhetoric to distract attention away from the fact that the Democrats have gone global in their outlook.

    The Democrats are now actively attacking the sovereignty and the particular national interests of the United States. In matters concerning immigration, foreign policy and legal structures, the Democrats are openly renouncing any attempt to govern the United States as a sovereign nation with concerns particular to the United States.

    The Democrats treat illegal alien invaders as if they were American citizens. The Democrats harp on about humanitarian interventionism and the sovereignty-destroying notion of so-called “right to protect” in terms of foreign policy. The ruling class of the Democrats is just as much in favor of sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams and other transnational schemes as the Republican Party ruling class is.

    That is why the ruling class of the American Empire is using pseudo-nationalism and this “Russia — Russia — Russia” nonsense to attack President Trump. Trump, in his own way, has done more than most recent presidents to draw out the evil treasonous scum in the Deep State and the American Empire’s ruling class on the big questions of sovereignty, immigration, trade and foreign policy.

    President Trump should start talking more about how the ruling class is using fake nationalism to destroy the historic American nation. Trump should also talk more about how the ruling class uses the US military to advance the interests of the globalized plutocracy and certain other nations instead of the United States interests as a whole.

  28. Trump can make up for this by building a wall on our southern border and talking about saving American culture.

  29. Hockamaw says:

    I think this is right. Trump looked weak next to Putin, no other way to put it. I’m sure Trump is acutely aware of this and is already forming an excellent plan for counteracting this unfortunate effect.

  30. LondonBob says:

    Putin just came across more knowledgeable. Putin is a CD personality, they make the best leaders.

    https://www.crystalknows.com/disc/cd-dc-personality-type

    Modern democracy requires leaders to be salesmen, terrible leaders, Putin was placed in his position.

    Also the State Department made a huge mistake having Trump meet Putin when he was on a low after his British and NATO events, whilst Putin was coming from his World Cup triumph.

    Also I expect real achievements were made, but various vested interests would attack them if they were disclosed. Then there was the inevitable smear campaign that will have an impact at times, and wear even Trump down at times.

  31. Polynikes says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I think you’re partly correct. I think it also has to do with the media. Putin’s own media know better than to attack him like that. There was a time when the western media would show some decorum when the leaders of two super powers held a joint press conference, but Trump cannot expect and will not get such courtesy.

    I think Trump sees Putin’s strength versus his own oligarchs, cultural Marxism, and Muslim Invasion as an opportunity for some common ground. Probably doubly so if they can act as a counter weight to China in the region. This drives the media and leftists nuts.

    He should’ve probably called the whole thing off when the indictments came out. Trump’s judgement on better relations with Russia might be correct, but fatigue or inexperience corroded his generally better instincts and led him to a press conference where he was going to be seen as one of either 1) a back stabber to the guy he just met with, or 2) selling the FBI/Cia out on foreign soil.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Anon
  32. Sean c says:

    His opponents were going to go crazy no matter what so he never should back track on his statements. He also needs to clean house in his administration of establishment hacks. They will constantly under cut him so bring in your true supporters and place them in positions of power and stop following the media narrative.

  33. Puleez. This did not happen. Nothing happened. No one outside of the beltway paid attention to what actually happened in Helsinki. Like you, Americans didn’t see the meeting for themselves, they don’t care and they aren’t upset about it. The media is just peddling the trump is a failure line as usual. Trump didn’t do anything worse than what he usually does.

  34. Since when do Democrats care about appearing macho? Obama looked like an abject pussy in every bilateral meeting he ever took. Bowing, scraping, apologizing, limp-wristed high fives — nothing was off the table for him. And they loved him for it. They hate Trump because he does none of those things.

  35. Here There Everywhere Meddling

    I hereby suggest that Van Morrison has been meddling with certain songs in this medley:

  36. Polynices says:

    I thought the press conference was pretty bland and didn’t see what all the excitement was about. But maybe what I missed is that bland is the problem because Trump isn’t meant to be bland. If he’s bland he’s losing.

  37. iFrank says:

    “I pay little attention to all this Spy vs. Spy stuff, nor do I watch much TV, so I really don’t know what I’m talking about.”

    No, actually you’re better off Steve. None of us know what we’re talking about.

    When it comes to Spy vs. Spy stuff, it’s all smoke and mirrors and misinformation and distraction and misdirection and lies.

    I doubt that real Russian pros would have been caught. They’d grab the goods and secretly sneak away. No, maybe they wanted to get caught, thinking H would win and they could blackmail her, or just cause some chaos. which, by the way, they have wildly succeeded in doing, with the assistance of our corrupt media.

    but then again, i really don’t know what i’m talking about either.

  38. dearieme says:

    I’ve been pondering the proposition from the US Establishment that Trump is a Russian patsy – that years ago a Russian secret agency spotted him as a likely future President and adopted him as their fella.

    I have concluded that this would mean that the agency in question is infinitely more intelligent, competent, and far-sighted than anyone in the US Establishment. I accordingly recommend that the US citizenry expel the said Establishment from the country, hurling abuse at them as they depart, and hire the Russian Establishment to run the joint.

    The other possibility is that the aforesaid US Establishment is just an odious bunch of liars and traitors – in which case you should expel them, hurling ordure at them as they scurry away.

  39. Asdf says:

    ‘You look weak Mr President!’ Just the next thing in the Trump rage catalogue.

  40. Putin spoke first. That was a no-no.

  41. @vinteuil

    I’m of the same mind…which I’m happy about, as it gets monotonous agreeing with Steve all the time.

  42. e says:

    No, Trump did what he always does when he’s in negotiation mode: he doesn’t attack the person he wants to deal with. That is what got him in trouble with the progs who look for things to shout about.

    I didn’t notice anything physically about the two of them in front of the cameras except that Putin is very short and that the Donald’s hair didn’t look orange. Oh, yeah, and each time I see Putin, I think of that silly photo of him shirtless on the horse.

    In short, I didn’t think the camera suggested much of anything about them except that there seemed no tenseness nor animus between them.

  43. Who got beat worse by Putin, Trump who bombed that Russian base in Syria or Obama who let the Chinese Russians run rampant through the election system? BTW does Putin know where the DNC servers are?

  44. g2k says:

    Simply not denouncing Putin as Satan would be sufficient in the current climate. I can’t quite fathom whether this anti Russia nonsense is sincere or just a stick to beat trump with. I’d have thought that if they wanted the latter, they’ve been better off trawling through his business history to find something dodgy, rather than resurrecting Mccarthyism.

  45. Off the top of my head, Trump has weathered the following moral panics since announcing for office in 2015:

    1. Announcement speech (“They’re rapists.”)

    2. Megyn Kelly (blood coming out of her wherever)

    3. Second Amendment comments about Hillary Clinton (accused of advocating her assassination)

    4. John McCain comments (“I like people who weren’t captured”)

    5. Travel ban proposal

    6. Mexican judge (said judge of Mexican heritage may have bias against Trump in Trump University lawsuit)

    7. Khan family at Democrat convention (Trump asked why Mrs. Khan didn’t speak)

    8. Billy Bush tape

    9. Jessica Leeds (said Trump “harassed” her on airplane in the 70′s)

    10. Alicia Machado (Trump said she liked to eat)

    11. Trump tweets that he was being surveiled in Trump tower

    12. Comments to LaDavid Johnson’s widow (“He knew what he signed up for”)

    13. Comey firing & “better hope there aren’t tapes”

    14. Crazy Mika’s facelift

    15. Charlottesville (“Bad people on both sides”)

    16. “Fire and fury”

    17. Colin Kaepernick is a son of a bitch

    18. Haiti is a shithole

    19. Stormy Daniels (attempt to tie this to me too movement)

    20. Fake news media is enemy of the people

    21. Illegal alien kids separated from their parents

    These are in addition to the constant “collusion” stuff and there are probably a bunch that slipped my mind.

    All of these caused a total media meltdown based largely on wilfull misinterpretations, and denunciations from Jeff Flake, Ben Sasse, etc. Trump always responded with a quick clarification (not apology) followed by using the hysteria to fuel his narrative that the fake news is out to get him.

    His followers never deserted him and the furor eventually burned itself out. This time is no different.

    • Agree: Bragadocious
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  46. donut says:

    “I pay little attention to all this Spy vs. Spy stuff, nor do I watch much TV, so I really don’t know what I’m talking about.” That never stopped me .

  47. RCB says:

    Steve, got another good article for you.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/can-the-gop-demonize-pelosi-one-more-time/565466/

    An article from The Atlantic about how the incessant hatred of Nancy Pelosi that we’re just constantly hearing from the media all day every day (…) is reminiscent of – you guessed it – Orwell’s 1984.

    They took this quote from from 1984 and concluded that the most appropriate name to insert here was…. Pelosi!
    “There were hisses here and there among the audience … uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out … the sight or even the thought of [INSERT NAME HERE] produced fear and anger automatically … People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices in an effort to drown the maddening bleating voice that came from the screen … The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in.”

    Truly amazing.

    Have you commented yet on how strained appeals to 1984 seem to enjoy bipartisan support?

  48. Dmitry says:

    Yes, I think it’s a very good observation in this comment from Sailor.

    It was a contrast from Lukashenko, for example, who always dominates (or tries to dominate) and bullies Putin when they meet.

    It seems strange Trump did not.

    But consider the context of the press conference. They have been talking together for two hours before they give the press conference.

    Putin has an excellent memory and mastery of all the topics they discuss (Trump, on the other hand, does not).

    After two hours of talking together, it would be difficult for Trump not to feel like Putin is the expert in these areas, and that he is just an amateur.

    This context is the probable reason Trump looks so passive in the press conference (imagine if you spend two hours talking with someone who is more expert than you in all the subjects of the conversation, and without any aides to help you).

    If they have given the press conference before talking together, then Trump would probably have been more confident. Also if Trump had spoken to Putin with aides, then he would have been more confident.

    But he spent two hours talking alone (except with translators), about all these topics where is far less expert, and with a man who has an excellent memory and very strong views on all these topics.

  49. istevefan says:

    Food for thought here. Many on this blog believe immigration is our number one issue for reasons that don’t need stating. But when discussing politics with normies we often find ourselves trying to get them to understand this while they are distracted by taxes and a myriad of other issues . But those issues are just that, issues not problems when compared to immigration which will eventually decide all other issues through the ballot box. I’ve tried to convince these people that taxes and other issues can be fixed in the future by legislatively changing percentages, deductions, etc., but we will never get that chance if we lose the ballot box.

    Now let’s look at Trump over the past 1.5 years. Clearly the economy is heating up as his tax cuts and reduction of red tape has encouraged business. His trade policies will payoff too if we can keep the cucks, who think that China and others with huge surpluses are in the driver’s seat, from caving.

    Despite this Trump is in serious jeopardy of having the democrats win the House and totally muck up his agenda for the future as well as probably bring charges of impeachment. And the main reason why Trump is in such jeopardy, besides the GOPe being subversive cucks, is that our demographics have been so distorted by mass immigration that even a majority of white voters might not be enough to overcome it.

    This lesson needs to be pointed out to normies. We can always change tax rates and jump start the economy as Trump is proving over his first 1.5 years. But demographic change is a killer that will eventually tip the scales so that no policy tweaking will ever be possible in the future. Ergo immigration was, is and will always be the number one issue.

  50. Travis says:

    There is nothing Trump could have done to appease the Never-Trumpsters, the media and the democrats…If Trump was aggressive with Putin he would have been attacked for provoking hostilities.

  51. OT – One way to lower the knife crime rate is to stop charging the people doing it with a crime:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44884113

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  52. Thomas says:

    Putin is the one foreign leader Trump won’t lay a glove on, no matter how politically damaging it is to him to be so deferential. No matter how crazy all Russiagate conspiracy theorizing is, that’s just one stubborn fact that never seems to square easily with an innocent explanation. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/20/confession-of-a-no-longer-russiagate-skeptic-219022

    • Replies: @istevefan
  53. Look at his itinerary over the preceding month. That he can function in a perpetual state of jet lag is pretty impressive, even if he occasionally lacks his full powers.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  54. DF says:

    Putin projected power more effectively than Trump without question. Whether seated or standing, Putin looked at ease, comfortable, and in command. I found Putin’s interview with Chris Wallace afterward astonishing. He stated the hacked information from the DNC servers was accurate and provided a useful service of informing the public. All while continuing to deny involvement. When Wallace presses Putin on the assassination of dissenters, his reply was that America has a history of Presidents being assassinated. The balls to say that to an American audience, yeah that’s alpha.

    This time Trump’s limited vocabulary (and limited erudition) betrayed him because he couldn’t couch the findings or indictments of the agencies within his purview more diplomatically in front of an adversarial power. Instead he contradicts his own agencies and goes on to describe Putin as “powerful” and “strong” in the denial of Russian intrusion. He unintentionally elevated Putin and simultaneously made himself look incompetent. I hate to say it but it wasn’t a good day for the President.

    Folks are falling into their classic adversarial camps when describing the summit. Never-Trumpers and Democrats seized on the opportunity to further criticize the President with predictable hysteria and the God-Emperor Trump types refused to accept anything went wrong. People make mistakes, some more public than others.

  55. Berty says:

    This entire brouhaha has really encapsulated how few people in the White House are actually loyal to Trump or support him in any fundamental way. After the election he needs to do a thorough housecleaning.

  56. istevefan says:
    @Thomas

    That’s a poor take on it. Actually even the hideous Jeet Heer does a better job of pointing out why Trump and his supporters see Russia as a potential ally not an enemy. Trump rightly recognizes the real threat to the world is the global south.

  57. “Outmachoed”? The correct term is “AMOGed” (Alpha Male Of Group). Bone up on your pickup lingo Steve. Next you’ll be saying “groovy”.

  58. I hereby call on President Trump to clear up rumours about his Russia connection from a few decades ago.

    There was a rumour circulating in New York City that Trump was having an affair with a beautiful woman that had Russian undertones.

    The rumour was that Trumpy was having a hot-and-heavy affair with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Trumpy was besotted by the beauty and brains of that luscious peach Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The rumour had it that Trumpy would softly sing the Van Morrison song “Queen Of The Slipstream” to his beloved Ruth Bader Ginsburg during bouts of passionate love-making.

    It is not well known that Van Morrison’s birth name was George Ivan Morrison. Ivan is a form of the name John in Russian. Russia-Russia-Russia everywhere all the time.

    Trumpy would do well to explain if and why he was singing a love song to Ruth Bader Ginsburg written and performed by a guy named Ivan when everyone knows that Ivan is a Russian name. The Cold War was still going on in 1987 folks!

    The Democrat Party should do the decent thing and allow the beautiful and talented Ruth Bader Ginsburg to retire. I am sure that the hospitable hosts at Trump Tower could provide a wonderful spot for Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s retirement dinner.

  59. Ragno says:

    I now believe what I’d suspected – hoped! – back when I voted for him; that Trump is motivated only by love of country. He pays no attention to the Monday-morning quarterbacking of the scuttlefish. That even his supporters are playing the game of Read the Body Language indicates two things:

    1- Since our ‘reality’ is one of unending immersion in a media-constructed madhouse in which every move he makes and every word he utters prompts Chicken Little cries of world’s-end from all the usual suspects, even true believers can’t be faulted for buying in to the Deep State horseshit during moments of exhaustion

    and, more to the point,

    2- Authentic patriotism is now so hen’s-teeth rare – particularly in politicians – that we don’t always recognize it when we see it. Particularly after our brains have been tenderized by the non-stop full court press of hysteria and opportunism of that selfsame Deep State

    which leaves us two certainties to rely upon: that whatever he does or says tomorrow will be greeted by an insane chorus of teeth-gnashing and high-pitched shrieking; and that, so long as he remains of sound mind and in good health, the ship of state is in good hands. Better hands, in fact, than those of any pundit or politician determined to destroy him.

    FOUR MORE YEARS!

  60. Thomas says:
    @istevefan

    Eh. I can see Russia as not being the enemy the War Party/Deep State/Neo-Cons need but I’m not sure how much of an ally they’d make against the global south. They have a lot of land, sophisticated weapons and the status of being a former superpower, but they’re poor, their population is declining, and their influence abroad is mostly limited to their near-abroad. (Granted, given the size of Russia, their near-abroad is pretty big.) More to the point though, the global south isn’t clamoring to get into Russia, so despite their regular friction with the Muslims to their south (which is something Russia has had to deal with for centuries at this point) that really isn’t their fight. It’d be generations, at least, before Africans have made their way from the Sahel to St. Petersburg or Moscow (if they ever do).

    When you look at how much Trump’s cozying to Putin puts him on the wrong side of even Republicans, you have to wonder why he doesn’t bother with even a sharp Twitter barb or two for Putin akin to “Rocket Man.” (I pointed out in an earlier thread that Trump can probably forget about containing the Mueller probe now, and will probably have to face Congress trying to impose additional sanctions on Russia.) Putin’s not so unsophisticated to not recognize Trump playing to the cheap seats if he needs to. Again, it just doesn’t make sense.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    , @istevefan
    , @Rod1963
  61. @utu

    It’s explained to the audience (and is self-evident, in any case) that many of the questions presented to Putin during these marathon sessions have been short-listed in advance. There are often questions asked via a remote video link, so a camera crew had to be arranged. That being said, Putin’s performance during these seem pretty impressive to me, even if he has notes in front of him. In any case, he does just as well in his marathon press conferences. Unless the BBC and the other hostile media are in on it, those can’t be scripted.

  62. Thomas says:
    @Thomas

    The one place where I could see Russia as a useful ally would be against China, and Trump clearly does see China as a rival to the U.S. China as a threat to the U.S., including and especially on the level of intelligence, is something that curiously gets ignored, especially given there’s history within the past 25 years of significant espionage as well as influence efforts by China (the money to Bill Clinton’s 1996 campaign, the pilfering of essentially all of the U.S.’s nuclear secrets). Or maybe that’s why it gets ignored.

  63. Whiskey says: • Website

    Trump looked weak when he walked back his comments because it showed the CUA tells him what to not the other way around.

    Trump is sadly toast as Michael Cohen recorded him discussing payoffs to Stormy Daniels and it will be charged by Mueller that it was a campaign finance violation.

    Mitch McConnell and Cuck Ryan want Trump out and Hillary in as much as your pussy hat wearer.

    Weakness is fatal.

  64. @Anonym

    Trump learned long ago that there’s no pleasing most journalists. Graydon Carter trained Donald Trump in his dojo of snark, called Spy magazine:

    TRUMP’S WAR ON “LOSERS”: THE EARLY YEARS
    In the late 80s and early 90s, Spy magazine carried out a lonely—and hilarious—war against the preposterous real-estate lordling it famously identified as “short-fingered vulgarian Donald Trump.” Here are some highlights.

    BY BRUCE FEIRSTEIN
    AUGUST 12, 2015 1:14 PM

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/spy-vs-trump

    Note the date. Since then, Trump won an election and Graydon Carter went off to teach finger-painting to koala bears, or something.

  65. @Cagey Beast

    I think that photo is called ” ‘If’ meets ‘I rise’ “!

  66. @istevefan

  67. Ed says:

    It was not a good presser for Trump but I don’t think he was out machoed. When two powerful men meet there is an equalibrium, Trump isn’t being cowed by Putin he respects him.

    I compare it to how pro atheletes that go to TV have a mutual respect for each other but the analyst/play by play guy that never played is kind of crapped on or humored by the athletes.

    • Agree: Travis
  68. @istevefan

  69. @istevefan

    That Twitter thread and New Republic piece by Jeet Heer are worth a look. Thanks for that:

    Why Donald Trump Wants You to Ignore Russia and Worry About China
    His emerging foreign policy would divide the planet along racial lines.
    By JEET HEER
    January 12, 2017

    https://newrepublic.com/article/139817/donald-trump-wants-ignore-russia-worry-china

    Jeet Heer wishes Whitey ill and has a platform, so it’s important to note when he’s onto something.

    Mark Sleboda argues against it but probably for his own reasons:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ragno
  70. @fnn

    No, it all comes back to biology. The real problem is that the seductive Russian spy isn’t actually that hot. You click on one of those articles with images of Tatiana Romanova or Pola Ivanova in your head, and… [fizzle]

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    , @Pericles
  71. Corn says:
    @fnn

    The “NRA is compromised by Russian spies” angle being pushed is ridiculous.
    American liberals going abroad to foment gay pride and lobby for unisex tranny bathrooms is social justice; American gun owners speaking to a Russian who wants gun rights for her country is treason. Give me a break.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  72. Dmitry says:

    Obama was also a lot weaker than Putin, when he talks to Putin.

    It’s probably a reflection that American presidents come to him with little interest or knowledge in the topics they discuss. (I guess the American presidents have a short meeting with their aides before about the topics, and this is the shallowness of their knowledge and expertise.)

    • Replies: @sayless
    , @sayless
  73. J.Ross says: • Website

    [tldr -- The Chinese own a lot of our government, and want to distract us with leftover Cold War Pavlovian Russia hate; as a result of the Helsinki summit, that might change]

    NPR has been wall to wall with re-runs of debunked Russia speculation from years ago, and 4chan has been slammed to an unprecedented degree with undisguised establishmentarian propaganda. They’re panicking.
    This is what really happened: FBI agent Lisa Page testified recently, and specifically said it’s not Russia, it’s China. I’m sure you heard all about that on the “Scream Incoherently About Russia Hour.”
    China owns us and it’s distracting us from that with our old Cold War enemy. The substanceless, hyper-emotional, wall-to-wall style is recognizably the Chinese media style.
    Great things happened at that great summit and this tired re-activation of thoroughly debunked nonsense is an attempt to stave them off. Putin told Trump about the con artist Bill Browder* (whom the Congress worships) not paying taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars he made in illegal dealings and about bribes Hillary received, and made offers that could resolve this constant media hysteria if Trump pursues them. I’m sure the Secret Service agent dying had nothing to do with Trump contradicting himself.
    What really happened, that is cause for concern, is Mueller’s fake investigation continuing on for more years of gibberish, the “indictment” of foreign nationals who will never see the inside of an American courtroom, the completely unjustifiable free immunity for Democrats, the unjustifiable persecution of any non-Democrat who ever had lunch with Trump, and the seditious undermining of Presidential authority. The Podestas getting immunity (which might be necessary, because the Podestas are already admitted guilty of the exact same thing that Manafort is being imprisoned before trial and threatened with crucifixion for) would be the nail in the coffin of any credibility Mueller ever had.
    *Browder was allowed to renounce his citizenship (itself interesting, it is almost impossible for peasants to renounce citizenship) but we can still go after him for that. See the Ron Unz article on Browder and try to see the documentary “Magnitsky Act Behind The Scenes.” I say try because I’ve never come across an American internet censorship campaign this thorough. This film appears for five minutes and is taken down. You get a url and in the time it takes you to click it’s down. A movie theatre was sued to hell by Browder’s lawyers for trying to play it. Kim Dotcom’s Mega took it down — has that ever happened? MABTS was supposed to be a pro-Browder film by a Putin critic but nothing Browder said made any sense. Magnitsky wasn’t Browder’s lawyer because he was never a lawyer, he was an accountant. And on and on, all the parts of the Browder story are easily complicated or falsified when the Congress isn’t chanting.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  74. Steve the only person more of an anti prophet than you is Whiskey.

    Anything less than nukes being hurled at Russia was going to result in a “problematic” week for Trump.

    “I don’t pay attention to this spy v spy stuff.” Yeah, gotta write that article about asian admissions to Harvard for the 20th time.

  75. Up until after the summit, this was a case for the US intel and the fbi to prove: meddling and collusion. after the summit , President Trump seems to have signed on with the fbi and the intel community assessment. If that is true, this game has changed dramatically in less than a week. seems to have signed on to meddling.

    It is now the President of the US, supported by the intel community, the fbi and most of congress against president Putin and russia.

    maybe, i am over estimating the obvious implications here, but this is no longer a he said she said —

    if it is accurate that the president of the US upon reading the report has stated, he believes and blames president putin – the dynamic are completely changed and things have moved to a much more serious and perhaps precarious political situation for the president.

    In essence, the russians attempted a coupe in the US against the US presidential campaign – particularly sec clinton. as much as i may doubt the veracity of the report, ikf the president belives it — it’s a new ball game.

  76. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    Putin had plastic surgery and botox several years ago which makes him look younger. He’s also in better shape and an athlete. Plus he has better PR since he’s the leader of an authoritarian state.

    Whereas Trump is quite overweight and hasn’t gotten any work done on his face. His face is quite bloated and he gets that terrible makeup for appearances where his entire face except for his eyes is caked with orange makeup.

    Trump also gets very little sleep every night and gets by by drinking 12 cans of Diet Coke every day. And he’s constantly monitoring cable news and social media. While Putin wakes up late and eats breakfast at noon, and presumably pays no attention to TV news or social media and doesn’t have to since he’s in an authoritarian state. Lack of sleep, caffeine, and cable news and social media all elevate stress hormones.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-drinks-12-diet-coke-watch-tv-cable-news-2017-12

    http://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-morning-routine-2017-6

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  77. istevefan says:
    @Thomas

    They have a lot of land, sophisticated weapons and the status of being a former superpower, but they’re poor, their population is declining, and their influence abroad is mostly limited to their near-abroad.

    Russia has the second largest population of whites in the world. That’s what makes them important. Demographic trends can and do change. At least with Putin he has staved off the collapse of the Russian state and given them breathing room for such a demographic recovery. Whether we witness it or not, I don’t know. But the way things were going before Putin, it wasn’t good.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  78. “The president is a Russian agent.”

    -John Birch Society, 1960 also Democratic Party, 2018

  79. @Thorfinnsson

    “One of the more amusing things Putin did at the conference was to propose that the US join Russia in establishing a global oil & gas cartel to fix prices.”

    Oddly enough, Gore Vidal proposed just such an alliance many moons ago. Not in a particularly flattering way, as he labeled both countries the giant, lumbering dunces of the Northern Hemisphere, hence, natural allies.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  80. @vinteuil

    Steve isn’t asserting Trump was outdone by Putin, just that the chattering class has found that to complain about this week. Apparently their pet targets demand a dose of masculine bravado but absolutely nothing else does.

  81. Thomas says:

    Russia has the second largest population of whites in the world.

    That’s nice. It’s also almost certainly meaningless. Mass third world immigration over the last fifty years to Western Europe and North America has maybe moved the native constituency for white nationalism by a few percentage points. I see little evidence that Russians without that exogenous prompt towards racial consciousness are likely any time in the near future to see themselves as white rather than Russian and decide “we must come to the aid of our fellow huwhites.”

    At least with Putin he has staved off the collapse of the Russian state and given them breathing room for such a demographic recovery.

    I agree things are looking better for them than in the Yeltsin years, and I’d be glad if the first nation to send men into space survives another century, even if the first nation to send a man to the moon probably won’t. Aside from maybe serving as some sort of big empty bolt hole if the west collapses though (and frankly the idea of people fleeing to Russia from the west is so ironic it’s almost funny), I don’t see Russia as playing much of a possible future role in what happens to western countries demographically in this century. Like I said: it’s not their fight, and whether it might be in a hundred years probably isn’t of much concern.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    , @Ed
  82. I heard about 30 minutes of the presser. President Putin came across cool and deadpan, where President Trump seemed nervy and emphatic. The Russian-English interpreters may have played a role in this perception.

    The fakestream media questions sucked — they were compound, argumentative, and lacking in foundation.

    Putin did seem to out-alpha Trump, but it wasn’t like an alpha versus beta; it was like peak alpha versus lesser alpha.

  83. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Russia is such a White Nationalist nation that it has a half-white, half-Asian Secretary of Defense, who is a runner-up to be one of Putin’s heirs and an extremely popular figure in Russia. As Sleboda and actual Russians have noted, the entire “Russian White Hope” is full of nonsense both from the left and the right.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  84. Svigor says:

    If Trump is Putin’s puppet then WTF I love Putin now and all Americans owe him a huge thank-you.

  85. @James Braxton

    The only way I will abandon trump is if he cucks. So far he is still giving it 110%, and that’s 110% better than anybody else in the Western world is doing right now (excluding eastern europe).

  86. @istevefan

    Putin has led Russia to a remarkable demographic turnaround… yet Russia is still in a bad demographic situation. But it is no longer an demographic collapse, just an aging population.

    Fertility reached a high of 1.78 births per woman in 2015. Russia saw positive natural population growth between 2013 and 2016. The fertility rate is falling again drastically – down to 1.61 in 2017 and likely a little lower in 2018. This is to be expected however with the way the demographics were set in stone from 1990 onwards.

    Russia has a massive number of whites, now aborting less, drinking less, and experiencing the revival of the Russian Orthodox tradition. There is certainly potential here.

  87. Anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump not have enough of that toxic masculinity?

  88. Olorin says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Out-mayo’ed?

    Well, they were both white men, so they out-mayo’ed each other, huh?

  89. @Thomas

    Slavs are setting themselves up nicely for the future. (Maybe not, but they’re at least making the effort to not destroy themselves). The problem is that white nationalists see “white” as an overall trait – while Slavic nationalists see their own identity rather than identifying as “white”.

    Cool, you’re White British? That’s nearly as much of a foreigner to a Pole or Russian as a Turk. Unless said Brit makes a strong effort to learn the language and assimilate, he will not be welcome.

    I am accepting the doom of the West (especially canada), but am happy that at least some remnants will remain. We (French Canadians) may die but at least there will be others to carry on the torch. Sort of like how a mother can die in peace knowing she protected her son’s life.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  90. Trump did okay… face it he would get negative coverage regardless. The shrill media has little effect.

    Trump does look old and tired. He needs to get some rest, but how can one rest when He has the weight of the Western World on his back, with snakes attacking at every moment?

    I love Putin the man is bad ass. But he is not a friend or ally… He is a neutral acquaintance at best. Trump said it well – he is competition.

  91. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Not Trump’s finest hour.

    But Trump — like Putin — also understands that the oil market is an existential issue for Russia. There is nothing gained from needlessly goading them, particularly when the US is in an overwhelmingly favorable position.

    Trump could have dropped to his knees at the podium, professed NATO’s weakness, extolled Russian might, and praised Putin’s alpha-man Heartiste-esque Judo skills.

    But if oil prices stay low, Russia becomes insolvent and dysfunctional, much like when the Soviet regime collapsed for the same reason. Simple as that.

  92. Olorin says:
    @Anonym

    What interests me the most about this is that they are NOT fake news per se. It’s just that the real news is unreported and hidden behind fakery.

    The real news is that the media are a powerful, prominent, well-funded, insider-staffed, de facto extra-Constitutional branch of government policy in our republic.

    So when they damage the actual Constitutional government with their nonsensical but clickbaitly lucrative tales about urinary dossiers and concentration camps of babies ripped from their mothers’ milky breasts and such, that real power is real news…whether or not anyone Notices that.

    Of course the media remind us of their power constantly–the power to ruin anyone’s life, for any reason or no reason at all.

    Trump is showing that it is possible to stand in that storm and not be cowed or bent. He is showing that an individual can grab that power and use it against the Media Masters. Of course they hate him for it and double down on sharkphoonadoes of nonsense to hide their real power, which he reveals constantly.

    It is highly deplorable that media corporations have gained such power by cloaking themselves in the First Amendment. Which they of course do not support, as their doxxing and threatening and silencing of opinions outside their diversionary clickbait narrative demonstrates.

    So the real question is: how can it be demonstrated that they have, in fact, taken on the powers of government…so that they must be held to a First Amendment standard (disallowed from abridging Americans’ freedom of speech and press)…instead of constantly masquing as the poor downtrodden bearers of liberty’s torch?

    My ancestors helped frame the Bill of Rights to check centralized federalist power. Today we have mass media in cahoots with a closed federal system of insiders, all of it owned by the same few hundred members of the global elite.

    Not to overlook that the media have been assuring us of their power for a long time. While shoring that up with a wide range of myths about that power…that hide its true nature. Not the power of truth, the power of diversion. The priestly power to create myths and gods and rituals by which the lugal can rule unchallenged.

    https://mediamythalert.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/usa-today-invokes-kennedy-nixon-debate-myth/

    • Replies: @Anonym
  93. @Polynikes

    I think Trump sees Putin’s strength versus his own oligarchs, cultural Marxism, and Muslim Invasion

    Strength on Muslim Invasion? What strength?

    My critique of Putin from my nationalist perspective would be that while doing a decent job overall in turning Russia around, he’s been far, far, far too interested in “Greater Russia” nonsense and not enough in keeping up the demographic hygiene of core Russia.

    Russia has real estate out the wazoo. But it’s demographics while recovering are still perilouse. Russia would be much better off actually *losing* places like Chechnya and maybe Tartarstan and then expelling all the ethnic Chechnians and Tartars back to their homelands. Instead Putin’s been opening the grand mosque of Moscow and doesn’t seen to care about a million muslims or their passive aggressive displays taking over the city’s streets. Given demographics their population percentage in Russia will tick, tick, tick on up.

    The only good way for civilized races to ‘get along’ with muzzies is push them outside of your civilized polity. Putin has not been doing that.

  94. Cortes says:
    @Hanoi Paris Hilton

    Donald also means “ruler of the world” a nickname (an eik name) applied to Somerled, the half-Scandinavian half-Hebridean from whom the MacDonalds claim descent.

    A couple of points worth bearing in mind.

    1. There can only be one, and 2. Didn’t the baddie waste the World Cup Final he refereed last Sunday:

  95. Hunsdon says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Also there was Jerry Pournelle’s Co-Dominium!

  96. @Chrisnonymous

    Are you referring to Yakov Smirnoff’s telling of the aphorism,

    “In Russia, women are like buses. . . . that’s it.”

  97. Anonym says:
    @Olorin

    Excellent post. I don’t know the answer to your question of how to check this power systemically.

    However, I think some combination of the following applies:

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. – Edmund Burke

    Hard times -> strong men -> good times -> weak men -> hard times

    We are kind of in the weak men era, entering hard times, so maybe generating some stronger men who will do something. There is also the advent of the internet, which is changing things in a hurry. There is a big counterreaction to the power of the media, and frankly, this definitely assisted in electing Trump and may well have been pivotal. Google is getting better at making some of this stuff harder to find, maybe a new search engine is necessary. They are out there though.

  98. @Anonymous

    Well it’s a good thing I’m not a White nationalist. If White nationalism makes sense anywhere, it makes sense in the US. I’m not American and neither are Russians. Sleboda was understandably trying to prevent Jeet Heer from imposing his Indo-Canadian understanding of American White nationalism onto Russia. I don’t want to do that either.

  99. Anonym says:
    @J.Ross

    You write a lot of interesting content – one of the best new posters IMO. Maybe consider writing articles for Unz?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  100. The hysterics, over the summit, say more about the treasonous establishment than they do about Trump.

    It was the elites in the media and our foreign policy “experts”, not Putin, that led us by the nose us into the trillion dollar quagmire of endless, destablizing, middle eastern wars.

    Putin may not be a saint, but the establishment creeps in our goverment and media are a much larger threat to our freedom and wellbeing.

    Make them howl. Build the Wall.

  101. Sean says:

    North Korean hacked Sony and released embarrassing Emails. But Russia would not try anything like that. Well not first.

  102. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

  103. sayless says:
    @Dmitry

    Could be true:

    When Putin was at the U.N. two or three years ago he glanced at a CCTV image of Obama lightworking at the TelePrompTer in front of all the dignitaries.

    Putin said, “He is a child.”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  104. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:

    http://deliveringalpha.com/2018/07/19/watch-cnbcs-full-interview-with-steve-bannon-at-delivering-alpha.html

    Bannon makes a strong case for Trump. What good is quasi hegemony when you get screwed soon every transaction?

    Really teed off on Merkel. Cheating on defense commitments while sleeping (buying gas) with the enemy.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  105. sayless says:
    @Dmitry

    That video was pretty funny, Dmitry.–What was the attendant doing with the samovar and the boot?

  106. @Steve Richter

    Perhaps, but the likelihood may be very small to those who have insider information on these events. I haven’t seen convincing evidence that the Russians hacked the servers at all. Is evidence available? Unsupported statements of sworn Trump haters are weak sauce and not convincing.

  107. This may explain why Trump seemed so limp and accommodating? Perhaps he was dialling his personality down and overdid it?

  108. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Maybe Trump needs to find whatever plastic surgeon Debbie Harry went to. He, or she, is damn good.

  109. @Tim Howells

    Whatever the Deep State might cook up for the president, know that the mainstream media will fall for it hook, line and sinker.
    Should his car be nearly rammed again during a motorcade by teenage girls, or a “dead” ex-FBI agent with an untraceable gun show up in a closed section of Trump Tower, or should another oddball wander around the White House grounds for 17 minutes before being confronted, all of it will be of no interest to the MSM.

    And should the Deep State’s “options” turn out to be not so “limited”, well, we can count on the MSM NOT to ask the relevant questions, nor demand any serious answers.

    Tim, I doubt the Deep State lacks “options”.

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
  110. @Uilleam yr alban

    Here is the entire press conference:

    The speeches end around 12:30 and the press conference begins. Trump is exhausted, and Putin is rested.

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
  111. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Trump looking tired is probably just old-fashioned jet lag. He jumped a lot of time zones to visit Russia. Putin would look tired if he came over here.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  112. Rod1963 says:
    @Thomas

    The fact is most Americans don’t give a s**t about Russia, it’s a Neo-Con/Beltway freakazoid obsession that borders on the insane.

    And there is nothing Trump can do to mollify the MSM and political class. They have hated his guts since day one and haven’t stopped.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  113. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Further, it’s apparent from his body language that Putin is a bellicose jerk who doesn’t want to get along. Maybe everyone in the intelligence community hates him because he’s a jerk, who’s always trying to see what he can get away with? He killed a guy with polonium, which is like a James Bond scene, he’s now killing people with neurotoxins, he shot down a jetliner over Ukraine during his proxy war there, he annexed Crimea (albeit a long-time Russian Imperial stronghold and locus of Russia’s naval dominance in the Black Sea), he had a Ukrainian opposition politician disfigured with dioxin, et cetera.

    This guy DOES NOT want to get along. I think the President is a product of I Am’s providence (“God makes a special dispensation for fools, drunks, and the United States of America”), but President Trump’s good natured assumption that he can make a deal with anyone may not apply to Putin.

    • Replies: @WJ
  114. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes

    It was Trump’s trip that caused Mueller to indict the Russians. Mueller might not have bothered if he didn’t feel the urge to DO something to whip up the mob against Trump, and Mueller felt the trip could be used as a means to provoke the Democrats.

    However, the whole thing backfired on Mueller when Putin offered up evidence of Hillary’s money laundering. I’m pretty certain Putin was ticked off at the indictments of his intelligence people–he’s a guy who comes from Russian intelligence himself–and this was Putin’s way of getting revenge on Mueller.

    Putin is a cold-blooded guy, and I think he can stand aside and just shrug if Mueller keeps on attacking Trump, but when Mueller dragged Putin’s own people into the mess, that crossed a line for Putin.

  115. Lot says:
    @Zogby

    “Real malfeasance in the DNC to rig the election against Sanders.”

    Bernie was by far the better choice, but the Russian hack of the DNC did not show any “rigging.”

    Sanders had more money than Hillary, and he won 3/4
    of the activist-dominated caucuses, while Hillary won most of the primaries.

    Hillary may not be above rigging a primary, but she lacked the ability to do so, as well as the need to do so.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Pericles
  116. Lot says:
    @anon

    Bannon at his well rested best, ready to come back and whip the executive branch into shape.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  117. So every President has to engage in some phony tough guy stare down and gruff talk with evil perma-adversary Russia?

    I don’t care if we looked weak (which we didn’t, we looked reasonable) and I really didn’t care that Obama bowed to some oil-lords. That was the least of his transgressions.

    Baby Boomers are stuck in the past in many ways. Always gotta have a big enemy for fun. Nobody under 35 gives a fig about Russia, unless they fall into 3 groups: Jews, 85 IQ media zombies, or gays mad about the gays supposedly getting regularly beaten up there.

    The average educated young person (liberal or conservative) thinks the “alpha” thing about that meeting was Trump saying he distrusts the U.S intelligence community.

    I hope he dismantles at least half of it by the end of his term.

  118. Wally says:
    @Lot

    Rigged? You bet.

    U.S. Election Meddling: Nationwide Voter Fraud, Importation of 15M Foreign-Born Voters

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/19/foreign-born-voters-voter-fraud-election-meddling/

  119. Ed says:
    @Thomas

    I generally agree with your post but I came across this a few days ago. Boer farmers considering moving to Russia at Russia’s invitation. In the West, you’d be hard pressed to carve out such a scheme for white South Africans. An Australian government minister suggested allowing white SA refugees and was promptly denounced, forced to back away from it.

    • Replies: @anon
  120. Nick Diaz says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    I usually don’t reply to this kind of inane post, but this is really funny. If you think Trump being 6’2 and a fat 240 lbs would make any difference against Putin if they were actually to fight, then there is a bridge I would like to sell you. Trust me, buddy: Putin would f-ck Trump up.

    Putin is not only a Judo black belt: he is also a 6th Dan in Kyokushin karate which is full-contact and arguably the most brutal karate style besides. 6th Dan means that he’s a master. Putin also had dozens of kickboxing bouts in his day and won many by KO. He is also a former KGB assassin and knows literally a Thousand diferente ways to kill a man – and none of them are pleasant.

    It is typical of Americans to think that size and strength are everything, and that the man with the biggest muscles and squarest jaws win. How did all those big muscled and square-jawed American Marines and Green Berets do against the 5’1 110 lbs Vietcongs?

    Here is a vídeo of 8th Dan jiu-master grandmaster, Pedro Sauer, who is only 5’6 and 160 lbs, fighting against a 6’2 muscular 260 lbs bodybuilder, Lance Bachelor. The bodybuilder had several inches in height and 100 lbs of muscle on him.

    Here is another vídeo of the 10th Dan Hanshi in Judo at age 91 toying with high-level black belts:

    Americans will Always assume that height, muscle size and the squareness of the jaw determines a man’s fighting ability. This stupidity appears to be hard wired in American DNA. No amount of evidence seems to dissuade Americans from this stupid idea. Like Schwarzenegger once said about what makes Americans tick:

    “Americans like big cars, big guns and big men.”

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @MBlanc46
    , @snorlax
  121. @MikeatMikedotMike

    And UK schools are teaching very important subjects this summer term – like the ethics of ‘looking after’ a knife for a gang member.

    Obviously the illustration is of a white boy – minority kids tend to be shown on UK education sites holding test tubes or gazing into microscopes.

    https://www.tes.com/teaching-resource/knife-crime-11195602#

    “A double knife crime lesson, fully resourced, PSHE lesson with Powerpoint Presentation and worksheets. These PSHE Knife Crime resources include: a one/hour Powerpoint, differentiated worksheets, clips and case study activities and literacy focus plenary – all well differentiated. These resources have been designed to be engaging, detailed and easy to follow.”

  122. Pericles says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The real problem is that the seductive Russian spy isn’t actually that hot.

    Though if you’ve spent your working life in Hollywood for Ugly People …

  123. @anon

    “Really teed off on Merkel. Cheating on defense commitments while sleeping (buying gas) with the enemy.”

    Russia isn’t an enemy. She just doesn’t want to be surrounded by enemies and I can’t blame her.

    But TPTB in the US and Europe need an enemy to divert attention from their own treachery to their people.

    “I ain’t got nuthin against them Russians. No Russian ever called me deplorable.”

  124. Pericles says:
    @Lot

    the Russian hack of the DNC did not show any “rigging.”

    Wikileaks keep telling us they got the data from staffer Seth Rich, who was coincidentally murdered shortly afterwards.

  125. anon[925] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    The excuse was that classing Saffies as refugees would antagonise the S.A. Government,who claim everything is Hunky Dory over there.

    They could be brought over here on work visas, but that would mean leaving their families behind, not really an option.

  126. @Paul Jolliffe

    Given the very open and overt nature of this conflict, any move like that would absolutely tear this country apart. Doesn’t mean it can’t happen, but they will surely hesitate. I note that even James Clapper recently called for the end of the Mueller investigation, and since then he’s gone quiet. My guess is that Trump will carry through with the rapprochement with Russia, and the public will support him in that, and reward him in the midterms. It just gets tougher and tougher for our enemies to make a move.

    But I’m a superstitious man, and if some unlucky accident should befall him, if he should get shot in the head by a police officer, if he should hang himself in a jail cell, or if he’s struck by a bolt of lightning … then I’m going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive.

  127. @sayless

    Putin wasn’t impressed with Hillary either:

    Putin was asked how he might respond to Clinton’s recent comments comparing Russia’s intervention in Ukraine to Adolf Hitler’s invasion of Europe. Clinton has since walked back the statement.

    “When people push boundaries too far, it’s not because they are strong but because they are weak,” Putin said, “but maybe weakness is not the worst quality for a woman.”

  128. @Rod1963

    And there is nothing Trump can do to mollify the MSM and political class. They have hated his guts since day one and haven’t stopped.

    They must hate him now even more than they did on Day One because they haven’t succeeded in getting rid of him, as their masters demand.

  129. BB753 says:

    Trump was handicapped by having smaller hands, despite being far taller than Putin. Just joking, lol! It’s just that the usual suspects believe that anything other than cold or even hot war with Russia is treason. Because Putin stands in their way to a full-blown victory for globalism and the New Globopedo Order.
    Of course, neocons and globalists are too scared of China to ever critize Xi, who’s as much to blame for thwarting the global neocon crusade as Putin.
    There are no gay parades or gay marriage in China and yet Xi gets no flak at all.

  130. @Steve Sailor
    Not at all. Did you even watch the footage of their press conference? If not, you, Sir, are talking through your hat this time. You have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps Trump took no risks going through this meet in your view? The man held up like a world statesman IMHO. Also IMHO Putin was at zero risk in this, Trump was and is under vicious attacks from all sides.
    “Et tu, Brutus??”

  131. vinteuil says:
    @Lot

    That was actually a pretty interesting interview.

  132. vinteuil says:
    @Nick Diaz

    Americans will Always assume that height, muscle size and the squareness of the jaw determines a man’s fighting ability. This stupidity appears to be hard wired in American DNA. No amount of evidence seems to dissuade Americans from this stupid idea.

    Whoah, nick – stereotype, much?

  133. Corvinus says:

    “I pay little attention to all this Spy vs. Spy stuff, nor do I watch much TV, so I really don’t know what I’m talking about. But I suspect that Trump’s problem this week is that he looked beta to Putin’s alpha at their much denounced press conference.”

    So, Mr. Sailer, you do NOTICE this matter, it is just that you simply refuse to discuss it in any relative detail, knowing that any commentary would box you in. Cagey how you are steering clear of the controversy.

  134. @Anon

    Trump looking tired is probably just old-fashioned jet lag. He jumped a lot of time zones to visit Russia.

    That’s almost certainly why, and he had had a hectic week in Europe and the UK immediately prior to Helsinki.

    On the other hand, Trump flew 12 time zones to Singapore, last month, from a heads of state summit in Canada, and looked fresh and vigorous.

    Who knows, maybe he was coming down with a cold or something, or perhaps the last month has been unusually hectic. But he was below his usual energy levels at that press conference.

    Putin would look tired if he came over here.

    Unlikely. He’s pretty fit—more than most.

    • Replies: @E e
  135. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonym

    You are very kind, I am standing on the shoulders of red-headed Cro-Magnon vegetarians who taught our more immediate ancestors to work metal. Also I’m not really new, I don’t think (you can check the archives of commenters by clicking on the name, a very good feature). Check out CCZ, Triumph104, Achmed E. Newman, and Twinkie.

    • Replies: @Anonym
  136. MBlanc46 says:
    @Nick Diaz

    Americans will always think that, eh? And you know this how?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  137. hyperbola says:
    @Sid

    The response of “our” mainstream media (and of Sailer) to this summit is an insult to the intelligence of Americans. More serious, more intelligent and much more interesting commentary can be found eleswhere.

    Meanwhile, About Those Other Issues at the Summit
    They actually held a Russian-American summit in Helsinki on Monday to talk about life and death issues, though you wouldn’t know it from the corporate media.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/20/meanwhile-about-those-other-issues-at-the-summit/

    The New Handmaids of the Warfare State – Dems and the Liberal Media

    https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2018/07/19/the-new-handmaids-of-the-warfare-state-dems-and-the-liberal-media/

    How Syria and Ukraine Drove the Russia Hawks Insane

    https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2018/07/20/how-syria-and-ukraine-drove-the-russia-hawks-insane/

  138. @Corn

    The Russian lady “spy” appears to be imitating the Richard Gere character in his movie: “Norman.”

  139. @Jason Liu

    “Goes to show that American media is like an insecure woman gaslighting people she doesn’t like. It needs a purge.”

    Simile superfluous.

  140. Altai says:

    OT: We’re reaching levels of Harry Potter wokeness that shouldn’t be possible.

  141. snorlax says:
    @Nick Diaz

    He is also a former KGB assassin

    He’s a former KGB desk jockey, assigned to perilous assassination missions like photographing President Reagan.

    knows literally a Thousand diferente ways to kill a man – and none of them are pleasant.

    Taught to him by a mysterious order of warrior monks, deep in the Himalayas.

    How did all those big muscled and square-jawed American Marines and Green Berets do against the 5’1 110 lbs Vietcongs?

    In terms of kill ratio? Several dozen of theirs to every one of ours.

    Also, you might not be aware, but the Vietnam War was fought with firearms and not punching and kicking like the video game series Street Fighter.

    Here is a vídeo

    Hate to burst your bubble, but karate videos are somewhat less real than professional wrestling. I figured this out around age 10, but there’s always a time for everyone.

    Americans will Always assume that height, muscle size and the squareness of the jaw determines a man’s fighting ability.

    I propose you go to a biker bar, get to talking with the biggest guy there, and compliment him on how homosexual he looks in his fetching leatherdaddy outfit. In the event he reacts homophobically, you can defend yourself using your sekrit Jackie Chan karate skills. Report back to us on how that went.

    • Replies: @Nick Diaz
  142. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:

    The scheduled trade war with China is the main event. Never underestimate the unwillingness of Americans to give up anything. In theory, America can close down China. They export 5x as much to the US as vice versa.

    In practice, mid terms are mere months away for Trump and Xi is President for life. I find it unbelievable that Trump is even contemplating disrupting the economy this fall. He can always say “never mind”. But Trump has been successful by giving away stuff. Tax cuts, military spending, etc. No one wants to upset the economy.

    Maybe a 10% Tarriff on all $500B of Chinese imports. Not enough to jam up the works, but enough to shift the playing field.

  143. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I think we in the West are in a situation a little like Quebec just at the start of the Quiet Revolution. We’ve been governed by the “Negro kings” and now we want to be “masters in our own house”. I think we’re going to make it but only if we drive the current bunch out.

    I just recently listened to this speech again. It’s electric. It would be called “alt-right” now. He even looks a bit like Putin, if Putin drank and smoked too much and went to the tavern instead of the gym:

  144. Anonym says:
    @J.Ross

    Ah. I must not have noticed you earlier. That’s because you only posted once a week prior to 2017, when you posted maybe 1-2 times per day, but in 2018 you’ve really stepped up the posting, with about 20 posts per day it seems. According to that maybe 7/8 or so of your posting is this year, which is why you seem new to me.

    I note with my own posting history I’ve been steadier, a dip in 2017 (2016 was the election year), and now I’m posting as much as I’ve ever posted. I need to step it back, I’m not getting enough work done at the moment.

    Anyway, you’re on fire and writing a lot of TINF stuff. Come up with a topic that is not really covered on here, write an article, edit it until you can’t polish it any more, get someone else you trust to review it and suggest edits, and put it to Ron to publish it.

  145. @MBlanc46

    Americans will always think that, eh? And you know this how?

    I think Nick is in love. He’s just jealous that the Donald got an audience with the master, not Nick.

  146. E e says:
    @PiltdownMan

    In my personal experience, a 12 hour time difference is much easier than a 6 hour time difference. And traveling west is easier than traveling east.

  147. WJ says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    We won’t even go back to GWB but just stick with Obama – He killed a sitting foreign leader, Gaddaffi, he violently assaulted another foreign leader and his country causing the deaths of 100 hundreds of thousands and millions of refugees, Syria, he murdered via drone, scores of people across the Middle East, some of them US citizens in Yemen, and his aircraft and drones routinely slaughtered wedding parties, funerals and other large gatherings in Afghanistan. He also had a Seal Team murder a a private citizen in Pakistan (OBL).

    Obsessive Putin hating is quite childish.

  148. Nick Diaz says:
    @snorlax

    “He’s a former KGB desk jockey, assigned to perilous assassination missions like photographing President Reagan.”

    No, he was actually trained as a spy.

    “Taught to him by a mysterious order of warrior monks, deep in the Himalayas.”

    I wasn’t aware that the KGB was an oder of warrior monjs. That’s interesting.

    “In terms of kill ratio? Several dozen of theirs to every one of ours.”

    You still lost, anyway. Badly. And of course you had a phenomenal kill ratio, since the advantage in fire power that America had was tremendous. Point is, *America far more and better military hardware, and still lost.*

    “Also, you might not be aware, but the Vietnam War was fought with firearms and not punching and kicking like the video game series Street Fighter.”

    Americans believe muscles and the jawline are the measures of a man, and that makes them better fighters with or wothout weapons. Just look at Holywood action heroes: they are are mostly muscular and square jawed, and yet they protray characters that fight with guns.

    “Hate to burst your bubble, but karate videos are somewhat less real than professional wrestling. I figured this out around age 10, but there’s always a time for everyone.”

    What the hell are you talking about? This fight is 100% real. They even had to sign a legal waiver before the fight.

    “I propose you go to a biker bar, get to talking with the biggest guy there, and compliment him on how homosexual he looks in his fetching leatherdaddy outfit. In the event he reacts homophobically, you can defend yourself using your sekrit Jackie Chan karate skills. Report back to us on how that went.”

    LOL, kid, you’re funny. First, finding guys bigger than me is not very easy since I’m 6’3 and 220 lbs. Secondly, smaller men beating bigger men is trivial and happens all the time. Here is MMA fighter, Roger Huerta, beating the crap out of a 6’6 250 lbs football player.

    And here is his interviewe with TMZ about it.

    Will you also claim that this is fake?

  149. Ragno says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Jeet Heer made his bones in this country by providing windy and tiresome ‘analyses’ of old comic strips (thus ruining countless reprint volumes of classic strips by his participation in them).

    That he then piggy-backed (yes, that was deliberate) into being one of the Left’s preferred go-to pundits on any and every topic requiring ruthless deconstruction of Whitey’s bred-in-the-bone villainy is a handy indictment on the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the Left.

    In a saner world, white schoolchildren would throw slices of cold roast beef at him while crudely imitating Apu from THE SIMPSONS.

    • LOL: Cagey Beast

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