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Trump Address Recognizes Jerusalem as Israeli Capital

By MARK LANDLER

 
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  1. Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.

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    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.
     
    Indeed. Trump's playing the long game here....

    Frankly, people don't understand just how much Trump hates the Jews.....I mean, would Hitler have forced his (hypothetical) daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew? No, Hitler would never have gone that far in order to gull the Jews....but Trump did...Talk about a will of iron....

    , @KenH
    That's right. Remember that Trump is always ten moves ahead of everyone else.
    , @anon
    Some may think that if there is a major terrorist act against U.S. interests, Mueller will be quickly relegated to background. He may not dislike that too much.
    , @LondonBob
    The Zionist have no idea of the importance of Jerusalem to Muslims. Nice issue for the whole Middle East to coalesce around and further undermine US (read Israeli) influence in the region.
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  2. Trump’s Anti-Semitic Dog Whistles Getting Even More Suspiciously Subtle

    His hidden strategy could be to make the *i*l*r-traces ever more untraceble – which is dangerous!

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  3. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    hanukkah came early for ben shapiro this year.

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  4. syonredux says:
    @Space Ghost
    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.

    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.

    Indeed. Trump’s playing the long game here….

    Frankly, people don’t understand just how much Trump hates the Jews…..I mean, would Hitler have forced his (hypothetical) daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew? No, Hitler would never have gone that far in order to gull the Jews….but Trump did…Talk about a will of iron….

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    I mean, would Hitler have forced his (hypothetical) daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew?
     
    Considering that his only sex act occurred with his half-niece, that hypothetical daughter might have too many physical problems to worry about spiritual ones.
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  5. AndrewR says:

    Trump is a cucked puppet. We need to replace him in 2020 with a real right-winger.

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  6. Thomas says:

    I can’t help but think this maneuver is driven at least in part by the special counsel probe. Trump had this in the desk drawer since the campaign, and with Flynn’s recent legal trouble arising from a back-channel diplomatic effort to help Israel out at the UN (while Obama threw them under the bus), Trump probably wants to fly the “Friend of Israel” flag high and proud right now.

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    • Replies: @JustJeff
    If you’re right he’s staring to get desperate
    , @Tim Howells
    Sure, but I think it's broader than that. I don't think it's possible to fight both the American Jewish left (fanatically pro-massive-non-White-immigration) and the Jewish right (fanatically pro-Israel) at the same time. Somehow a wedge issue must be found. Netanyahu has shown a surprising willingness to support ethnic nationalism in Eastern Europe (Visegrad Group).

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-israels-netanyahu-backing-hungarys-anti-semitic-posters-against-george-634718

    He recently opined that reform Judasism would disappear in the US within two generations due to liberal Jewish race-mixing and assimilation.

    http://newobserveronline.com/netanyahu-racial-mixing-will-destroy-liberal-jews-by-2070/

    If the Jewish right is really writing off the Jewish left in this way, then they will have to find new allies in the West. These almost certainly will not be gentile leftists, who despise all ethno-national states including certainly Israel. The reasonable thing to do would be to ally with Western nationalists who are willing to accept a Jewish state, as pretty much all of us do. It looks to me like this is where things are headed long term, and I'm cautiously optimistic about this development.

    If the deal is that we accept Jerusalem and the Israeli wall, and we get our own wall, that's OK with me.

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  7. KenH says:
    @Space Ghost
    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.

    That’s right. Remember that Trump is always ten moves ahead of everyone else.

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  8. WTF did he do this for? Is there not enough chaos in the middle east?

    Isreali agents are deeply embedded in the DC swamp, including one in the WH, married into the first family. I pray that Mueller’s investigation ends up taking out fecking Jew weasel Jared Kushner. Chuck Schumer reportedly also urged Trump to make the move but at least we know he’s the biggest Zionist cuck in the DC swamp. Kushner is turning Trump into a Zionist puppet.

    Breitbart is going bonkers over the news. That rag is just another Zionist mouthpiece. All the Trump fanboys and fan girls in Appalachia are being used like fools cheering along without knowing why the feck Trump even did it.

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  9. @syonredux

    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.
     
    Indeed. Trump's playing the long game here....

    Frankly, people don't understand just how much Trump hates the Jews.....I mean, would Hitler have forced his (hypothetical) daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew? No, Hitler would never have gone that far in order to gull the Jews....but Trump did...Talk about a will of iron....

    I mean, would Hitler have forced his (hypothetical) daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew?

    Considering that his only sex act occurred with his half-niece, that hypothetical daughter might have too many physical problems to worry about spiritual ones.

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    Lord, Reg, You got something against line breeding? The cull are a trifle. The line is the object.
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  10. JohnnyD says:

    Boy, I can’t wait to read the latest Brett Stephens column explaining how Trump is a vile anti-Semite for giving Jerusalem to the Jews!

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    At the very least, he'll now be a bit more uncomfortable shilling for the Trump-haters.

    I'm sure all the Reform rabbis are outraged though.
    , @Karl
    8 JohnyD > I can’t wait to read the latest Brett Stephens column explaining how Trump is a vile anti-Semite for giving Jerusalem to the Jews


    https://urj.org/blog/2017/12/05/reform-jewish-movement-concerned-about-white-house-jerusalem-announcement


    and then they wonder why Netanyahu won't give them the time of day, vis-a-vis getting their own corner of the Western Wall.

    Bibi already said out loud that the straight-up numbers show, that American Reform Jews are in the process of non-replacement-rate breeding themselves out of existence

    , @Frau Katze
    Not yet. His most recent columns are the usual about how horrible Trump is. But it’s a bit early.

    What on earth will he write about post-Trump?

    He doesn’t really align with NYT readers except on Trump. Let’s hope he has many more years of such columns.
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  11. TheBoom says:

    Rare column in the mainstream press about the real collusion

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/sns-201712051333–tms–amvoicesctnav-a20171205-20171205-column.html

    “Just who do the Russians think they are to block the incoming administration’s attempt to do Israel’s bidding on an issue that has no discernable benefit to America?…

    Forgot Russia. There appears to be evidence of collusion between Team Trump and Israel. Will Mueller and his investigative team now follow this trail back to the campaign period and show no mercy in bringing indictments against all involved in this collusion with another foreign power? “

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    There’s a bug in Unz web site that breaks the link you posted.* Here’s a working link to the article:

    Rachel Marsden: Flynn's plea deal reveals collusion, but not with Russia
    http://trib.in/2BRqzzK

    Just a warning: I could be wrong, but Rachel Marsden’s career suggests she may not always be entirely trustworthy...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Marsden

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  12. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I’d wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In the Bible they are always "going up to Jerusalem." It's at about a half-mile elevation.
    , @International Jew
    It's hardly unique that way. Shkhem, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Hebron and all the other towns along that mountain range have the same climatological advantages. And in the Galilee you have even higher altitudes and cooler summers.
    , @fish
    How are the golf courses?
    , @Dmitry
    It also has an underground water source (Gihon Spring), which made it somewhat resistant to sieges in the Ancient World.
    , @Dmitry
    >squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years

    It's actually over 3000-odd years.

    , @Frau Katze
    The whole country is arid and hot. And it’s not very big either. And it’s a really rough neighbourhood. (Would you really like to live in, say Lebanon, considered desirable for its mountains. It too has had a turbulent history).

    Maybe back in the day it was better to be hot than cold (Northern Europe didn’t start to pull ahead until relatively recently).

    Or perhaps northwestern European was harder to invade,

    The Middle East offered little resistance to the ambitious. Or maybe it was Islam, the ultimate ideology for invaders.
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  13. Thea says:

    Israeli education minister Bennett said:
    “Bennett said that the decision shows that Israel’s “strategic patience paid off,” adding that , “the world respects strong countries who believe in themselves, and look down on countries willing to give up their homeland.”

    So I guess the US, UK, France, Germany, Sweden don’t garner much respect .. Oh this too freaking depressing!!! Even the Israelis are saying we need some self respect.

    Wake up swamp creatures!

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  14. @Anon
    I'd wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

    In the Bible they are always “going up to Jerusalem.” It’s at about a half-mile elevation.

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    It was a top choice for settlement, 2500 years ago.
    , @Karl
    12 Steve Sailor > always “going up to Jerusalem.” It’s at about a half-mile elevation


    to graduate from (what y'all call" "Advanced Infantry"), your unit has to complete a forced march in full battle pack PLUS carrying "wounded" on stretchers, from xxx to the Temple Mount, where the distance of xxx to the Western Wall depends upon how elite the unit is.

    It's called "the Beret March" because before its completion, you are only allowed to wear the boot-camp beret in Olive Drab. After the milestone, you are entitle to wear the Beret in your unit's color (e.g., Paratroopers are red). And you get your "teudat lokhem" (combatants ID card) = free transit rides and various discounts at retail

    the "troops" you see in Jerusalem with grey-ish uniforms and bright green berets, are Border Police (gendarmes). There are almost zero real army soldiers on duty in Jerusalem.

    Like in Singapore, draftees are allowed to request assignment to the Police.

    Quite popular with the Ethiopian guys - the fitness requirements are high, but the IQ requirements are low. Your dirt-poor family appreciates the retail discounts, and an Honorable Discharge from the magav sort of sets you up for a career as a civil service cop. Just as "Every Marine is a Rifleman" - every magav-nik is a combatant.


    It's also the easiest place for any female to get a Teudat Lokhemet (Hebrew nouns are inflected for gender).
    , @Chrisnonymous
    People go up to Oxford too, but I've never heard it was a good vacation spot.

    BTW, any juicy tidbits in golf courses in the Holy City?
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  15. I always thought that this was Trump’s craziest campaign promise and one I fervently hoped he would quietly forget. In one fell swoop the President has managed to reverse what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East, legitimate Israel’s gross violations of international law, destroy any remaining credibility the US had as a broker for peace in the Levant and Middle East, and alienate diplomatic corps from White Hall to Beijing. The purposeless mischief this move will cause is comparable to that caused by the Clintons’ expansion of NATO after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.

    The denizens of our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing as are Netanyahu and his fascist party but none of these swamp dwellers are likely to cut Trump any breaks for this stupidity. Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay a heavy price. The current, unbearable travails of the peoples inhabiting the Levant and Middle East will surely increase.

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    "Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay a heavy price."

    The United States is in an existential demographic death-spiral. I think they have more pressing concerns.
    , @Chrisnonymous

    what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East...

    ...our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing
     
    Apparently 4D chess was pioneered by the architects of our ME policy.

    as are Netanyahu and his fascist party
     
    Yes, Trump is literally Hitler, and Israelis are Nazis. I see the whole world coming into focus now.

    Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay...
     
    Yes, and if we don't let the Muslims into the country to exact their revenge, then they'll be really angry and kill us.
    , @FPD72
    How could the moving of our embassy to Jerusalem be a reversal of US foreign policy, since a law has been on the books since 1995 calling for our government to do just that?

    Second question: how is Israel’s move of it’s capital to Jerusalem a violation of international law? Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, despite Israel’s pleas that it stay out of the fray. While a case could be made against Israel’s role as the aggressor against Egypt in 1967, Jordan was the initiator of hostilities with Israel. Israel’s capture of the remaining parts of Jerusalem in a war that Jordan began was legitimate. Are you saying that nations risk nothing but the lives of soldiers when they launch wars against other nations?

    I agree that there might well be negative reprecussions for the US for taking this action. But I fail to see how it is against established US foreign policy or lends support to a violation of international law.
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  16. Personally I like the move. It demolishes the fiction that there can be a peace process with the U.S. playing referee. The U.S. Senate will always guarantee that Israel won’t budge an inch.

    Plus it brings the wall closer into focus. People will see the U.S. Embassy and nearby will be a big beautiful wall that works. A useful reminder.

    The move may buy Trump some credit with YKW but it will be temporary. They’ll quickly get back to bashing him. Reason: they still don’t trust him and see him as a bit too independent for their liking. They prefer airheads to be President.

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  17. @Anon
    I'd wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

    It’s hardly unique that way. Shkhem, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Hebron and all the other towns along that mountain range have the same climatological advantages. And in the Galilee you have even higher altitudes and cooler summers.

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  18. @JohnnyD
    Boy, I can't wait to read the latest Brett Stephens column explaining how Trump is a vile anti-Semite for giving Jerusalem to the Jews!

    At the very least, he’ll now be a bit more uncomfortable shilling for the Trump-haters.

    I’m sure all the Reform rabbis are outraged though.

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    You were saying..............

    Progressive U.S. Jews Slam Trump Over Jerusalem Move, Warn of 'Destructive Consequences'

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.827109
    , @Eagle Eye

    I’m sure all the Reform rabbis are outraged though.
     
    That alone makes it worth it.

    Can't you just hear them shrieking like stuck pigs while positioning themselves for the cameras? (Not that there is anything wrong with stuck pigs if you are a reform rabbi).
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  19. @TheBoom
    Rare column in the mainstream press about the real collusion

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/sns-201712051333--tms--amvoicesctnav-a20171205-20171205-column.html

    "Just who do the Russians think they are to block the incoming administration's attempt to do Israel's bidding on an issue that has no discernable benefit to America?...

    Forgot Russia. There appears to be evidence of collusion between Team Trump and Israel. Will Mueller and his investigative team now follow this trail back to the campaign period and show no mercy in bringing indictments against all involved in this collusion with another foreign power? "

    There’s a bug in Unz web site that breaks the link you posted.* Here’s a working link to the article:

    Rachel Marsden: Flynn’s plea deal reveals collusion, but not with Russia

    http://trib.in/2BRqzzK

    Just a warning: I could be wrong, but Rachel Marsden’s career suggests she may not always be entirely trustworthy…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Marsden

    * the Unz site bug is that it turns two hyphens “-“ in a row into an em dash “—“, which would be ok anywhere except in the text of a URL.

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    You are prudent to take reports from Rachel Marsden with a grain--or perhaps a whole shaker--of salt.

    When she's good she can be very good but otherwise can be just batshit crazy.

    Pretty lady, though.

    I think she tweets as LibertyLynx.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/libertylynx?lang=en

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  20. fish says:
    @Anon
    I'd wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

    How are the golf courses?

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    Now that Trump has officially recognized Jerusalem, I’m just waiting for Jennifer Rubin to declare that Tel Aviv was always Israel’s capital….

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  22. Trump recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital reminds me of the outrage he caused on (I think) his first day in office, when he took a phone call from the president of Taiwan. Which he wasn’t supposed to do, because the red Chinese don’t want us to.

    In both cases, Trump’s gesture amounted to a FU directed “to whom it may concern”. Which, within reason, is a good policy inasmuch as it sends two signals: (1) that he lives in the world of the real, not the make-believe, and (2) that he’s nobody’s bitch. (Letting others dictate who you talk to, and what words you may use, qualifies you as their bitch, par excellence.)

    And before anyone’s tempted to respond that this move proves Trump is Israel’s bitch, please ponder that our policy toward all the rest of the UN’s 200-odd members is to recognize the capital city they have chosen for themselves.

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    "And before anyone’s tempted to respond that this move proves Trump is Israel’s bitch, please ponder that our policy toward all the rest of the UN’s 200-odd members is to recognize the capital city they have chosen for themselves."

    But there are others who live in that country who do not see that country as Israel and have been shut out of the discussion.

    What would the UN say about those people?

    I fear your first thought is the correct one: This just shows the world that Donald Trump is Israel's bitch. This is fine if the label only applied to him, but unfortunately it now applies to all Americans, even those like myself who are disgusted by this decision and do not support our unholy alliance with |Israel.
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  23. Beene says:

    Shouldn’t a (more or less) grown man know that being pro-Israel isn’t the same thing as being pro-Jewish? Well, obviously you do, it’s just keep point-scoring.

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  24. @International Jew
    At the very least, he'll now be a bit more uncomfortable shilling for the Trump-haters.

    I'm sure all the Reform rabbis are outraged though.

    You were saying…………..

    Progressive U.S. Jews Slam Trump Over Jerusalem Move, Warn of ‘Destructive Consequences’

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.827109

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  25. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    This seems like much ado about nothing. Trump says the U.S. embassy in Israel will move to Jerusalem at some unspecified future time, which has been U.S. policy for years.

    I wonder which gets built first, the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem or Trump’s wall.

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    • Replies: @ctb5
    As I understand it, an embassy-suitable facility was funded and built years ago and serving as the ‘branch office’ today. All that needs to change is the nameplate and the ambassador’s office location.
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  26. @European-American
    There’s a bug in Unz web site that breaks the link you posted.* Here’s a working link to the article:

    Rachel Marsden: Flynn's plea deal reveals collusion, but not with Russia
    http://trib.in/2BRqzzK

    Just a warning: I could be wrong, but Rachel Marsden’s career suggests she may not always be entirely trustworthy...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Marsden

    * the Unz site bug is that it turns two hyphens “-“ in a row into an em dash “—“, which would be ok anywhere except in the text of a URL.

    You are prudent to take reports from Rachel Marsden with a grain–or perhaps a whole shaker–of salt.

    When she’s good she can be very good but otherwise can be just batshit crazy.

    Pretty lady, though.

    I think she tweets as LibertyLynx.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/libertylynx?lang=en

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  27. Don’t know why anti-Israel types oppose this move. TA was created explicitly by Zionists and has always had a Jewish majority. By contrast J’lem is obviously not any type of settlement.

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  28. Eagle Eye says:
    @International Jew
    At the very least, he'll now be a bit more uncomfortable shilling for the Trump-haters.

    I'm sure all the Reform rabbis are outraged though.

    I’m sure all the Reform rabbis are outraged though.

    That alone makes it worth it.

    Can’t you just hear them shrieking like stuck pigs while positioning themselves for the cameras? (Not that there is anything wrong with stuck pigs if you are a reform rabbi).

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  29. Dmitry says:
    @Anon
    I'd wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

    It also has an underground water source (Gihon Spring), which made it somewhat resistant to sieges in the Ancient World.

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  30. Dmitry says:
    @Anon
    I'd wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

    >squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years

    It’s actually over 3000-odd years.

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    ">squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years

    It’s actually over 3000-odd years"

    And what do you call 3000-odd years of squabbling and strife?

    "The Peace Process."
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  31. In a country as small as Israel, which is only about the size of New Jersey and has a lot of desert, does it really matter where the US has its embassy?

    Tel Aviv is supposed to have a good nightlife and restaurants, and is closer to the beaches, so the families of embassy employees would probably prefer to be there for the sea breezes. Does Jerusalem have better housing, schools, healthcare, public transportation, etc? Would it be easier for the embassy to do business with the Israeli government? What about terrorism? Can’t a lot of the work of the embassy be done online?

    Could they not just have a branch office in Jerusalem?

    Trump is a real estate guy, so I guess he knows what he is doing.

    He may also want to think about moving the United Nations HQ from New York, since Washington is the capital of the US.

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    [Trump] may also want to think about moving the United Nations HQ from New York, since Washington is the capital of the US.
     
    UN diplomats should be able to relax on a nice Caribbean beach after a hard day's grifting.

    GUANTANAMO.
    , @biz
    Clearly the symbolism matters more than the practicality. Jerusalem is obviously Israel's capital - its parliament, prime minister, supreme court, and president are all located there. The US puts its embassies in capital cities for every other country. We don't say, 'yeah, Berlin is your capital but the skiing is way better outside of Munich so we're putting the embassy there.'

    Not having the embassy in Jerusalem has been simply a sop to the Arab lobby and to their threats. They oppose everything that Israel wants on principle. There is the fiction that Jerusalem was supposed to be a UN administered corpus separatorum, but that went out the window when Israel accepted, but the Arabs rejected, the UN partition plan in 1948 and the Arabs invaded. Good on Trump for ending those shenanigans.
    , @Autochthon
    The United Nations is in New York in large part because Washington is the capitol, not despite this fact.

    Contrast the European Union's primary operations in Brussels, Belgium's capitol, and note the (interesting?) outcomes: the United Nations is a toothless gimmick whose worst effect is sinecures and graft for louts who foment propaganda. The European Union is doing a fair job of destroying its members' sovereignty and running away roughshod over even the idea of a unified Europe which is at least democratic.

    The de facto financial capitols of North America and Europe are New York and Brussels, respectively (unless London still clings to the latter dishonour).

    My point? It is all mostly symbolic posturing. In the current year of jets and ubiquitous telecommunications, the kind of work – if you can call it that! – politicians get up to isn't dependent upon physical congregation.
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  32. JustJeff says:
    @Thomas
    I can't help but think this maneuver is driven at least in part by the special counsel probe. Trump had this in the desk drawer since the campaign, and with Flynn's recent legal trouble arising from a back-channel diplomatic effort to help Israel out at the UN (while Obama threw them under the bus), Trump probably wants to fly the "Friend of Israel" flag high and proud right now.

    If you’re right he’s staring to get desperate

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  33. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Space Ghost
    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.

    Some may think that if there is a major terrorist act against U.S. interests, Mueller will be quickly relegated to background. He may not dislike that too much.

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  34. Karl says:
    @JohnnyD
    Boy, I can't wait to read the latest Brett Stephens column explaining how Trump is a vile anti-Semite for giving Jerusalem to the Jews!

    8 JohnyD > I can’t wait to read the latest Brett Stephens column explaining how Trump is a vile anti-Semite for giving Jerusalem to the Jews

    https://urj.org/blog/2017/12/05/reform-jewish-movement-concerned-about-white-house-jerusalem-announcement

    and then they wonder why Netanyahu won’t give them the time of day, vis-a-vis getting their own corner of the Western Wall.

    Bibi already said out loud that the straight-up numbers show, that American Reform Jews are in the process of non-replacement-rate breeding themselves out of existence

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  35. Karl says:

    17 European-American > There’s a bug in Unz web site

    whenever I log on, I get notifications from my browser that Ron Unz is sending the identity of my I.P. to half a dozen other outfits. Including _The Atlantic_, and including Zuckerberg

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    All your comments are belong to Unz—Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review—don't effortpost without a lawyer!
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "I get notifications from my browser that Ron Unz is sending the identity of my I.P. to half a dozen other outfits. Including _The Atlantic_, and including Zuckerberg"

    What kind of badass browser tells you that information?

    Are you sure it's not the images that Steve loads from elsewhere (I counted going down pictures loaded from CNN, mid-day.com, Atlantic, Cafepress, Twitter, Hypable, Vevo, Youtube, the UK Independent and Business Insider. To load the pics, the delivering site must I think know your IP address)?
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  36. @Reg Cæsar

    I mean, would Hitler have forced his (hypothetical) daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew?
     
    Considering that his only sex act occurred with his half-niece, that hypothetical daughter might have too many physical problems to worry about spiritual ones.

    Lord, Reg, You got something against line breeding? The cull are a trifle. The line is the object.

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    As far as I can tell, I'm the only one who thinks Patricia and Misty Spann are innocent and should be released. Not that "breeding" is relevant any longer in their case.
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  37. @Steve Sailer
    In the Bible they are always "going up to Jerusalem." It's at about a half-mile elevation.

    It was a top choice for settlement, 2500 years ago.

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  38. Eagle Eye says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    In a country as small as Israel, which is only about the size of New Jersey and has a lot of desert, does it really matter where the US has its embassy?

    Tel Aviv is supposed to have a good nightlife and restaurants, and is closer to the beaches, so the families of embassy employees would probably prefer to be there for the sea breezes. Does Jerusalem have better housing, schools, healthcare, public transportation, etc? Would it be easier for the embassy to do business with the Israeli government? What about terrorism? Can't a lot of the work of the embassy be done online?

    Could they not just have a branch office in Jerusalem?

    Trump is a real estate guy, so I guess he knows what he is doing.

    He may also want to think about moving the United Nations HQ from New York, since Washington is the capital of the US.

    [Trump] may also want to think about moving the United Nations HQ from New York, since Washington is the capital of the US.

    UN diplomats should be able to relax on a nice Caribbean beach after a hard day’s grifting.

    GUANTANAMO.

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  39. biz says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    In a country as small as Israel, which is only about the size of New Jersey and has a lot of desert, does it really matter where the US has its embassy?

    Tel Aviv is supposed to have a good nightlife and restaurants, and is closer to the beaches, so the families of embassy employees would probably prefer to be there for the sea breezes. Does Jerusalem have better housing, schools, healthcare, public transportation, etc? Would it be easier for the embassy to do business with the Israeli government? What about terrorism? Can't a lot of the work of the embassy be done online?

    Could they not just have a branch office in Jerusalem?

    Trump is a real estate guy, so I guess he knows what he is doing.

    He may also want to think about moving the United Nations HQ from New York, since Washington is the capital of the US.

    Clearly the symbolism matters more than the practicality. Jerusalem is obviously Israel’s capital – its parliament, prime minister, supreme court, and president are all located there. The US puts its embassies in capital cities for every other country. We don’t say, ‘yeah, Berlin is your capital but the skiing is way better outside of Munich so we’re putting the embassy there.’

    Not having the embassy in Jerusalem has been simply a sop to the Arab lobby and to their threats. They oppose everything that Israel wants on principle. There is the fiction that Jerusalem was supposed to be a UN administered corpus separatorum, but that went out the window when Israel accepted, but the Arabs rejected, the UN partition plan in 1948 and the Arabs invaded. Good on Trump for ending those shenanigans.

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  40. Issac says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I always thought that this was Trump's craziest campaign promise and one I fervently hoped he would quietly forget. In one fell swoop the President has managed to reverse what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East, legitimate Israel's gross violations of international law, destroy any remaining credibility the US had as a broker for peace in the Levant and Middle East, and alienate diplomatic corps from White Hall to Beijing. The purposeless mischief this move will cause is comparable to that caused by the Clintons' expansion of NATO after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.

    The denizens of our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing as are Netanyahu and his fascist party but none of these swamp dwellers are likely to cut Trump any breaks for this stupidity. Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay a heavy price. The current, unbearable travails of the peoples inhabiting the Levant and Middle East will surely increase.

    “Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay a heavy price.”

    The United States is in an existential demographic death-spiral. I think they have more pressing concerns.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump is another puppet. On the big issues he bloviates and then circles the long way around to the NWO position.

    Foreign wars (sorry gotta send more troops)

    Immigration (I love the dreamers, no deportations)

    Wall Street (Goldman Sachs is my middle name)

    The Swamp (F#$% Bannon!)

    Debt going higher

    Trade deficit going higher

    FBI, CIA, IRS, DOJ etc all business as usual

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  42. Karl says:
    @Steve Sailer
    In the Bible they are always "going up to Jerusalem." It's at about a half-mile elevation.

    12 Steve Sailor > always “going up to Jerusalem.” It’s at about a half-mile elevation

    to graduate from (what y’all call” “Advanced Infantry”), your unit has to complete a forced march in full battle pack PLUS carrying “wounded” on stretchers, from xxx to the Temple Mount, where the distance of xxx to the Western Wall depends upon how elite the unit is.

    It’s called “the Beret March” because before its completion, you are only allowed to wear the boot-camp beret in Olive Drab. After the milestone, you are entitle to wear the Beret in your unit’s color (e.g., Paratroopers are red). And you get your “teudat lokhem” (combatants ID card) = free transit rides and various discounts at retail

    the “troops” you see in Jerusalem with grey-ish uniforms and bright green berets, are Border Police (gendarmes). There are almost zero real army soldiers on duty in Jerusalem.

    Like in Singapore, draftees are allowed to request assignment to the Police.

    Quite popular with the Ethiopian guys – the fitness requirements are high, but the IQ requirements are low. Your dirt-poor family appreciates the retail discounts, and an Honorable Discharge from the magav sort of sets you up for a career as a civil service cop. Just as “Every Marine is a Rifleman” – every magav-nik is a combatant.

    It’s also the easiest place for any female to get a Teudat Lokhemet (Hebrew nouns are inflected for gender).

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  43. OMG! Now the Palestinians are going to be really angry! Trump is the Zen-master of Anti-Semitism.

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  44. @Thomas
    I can't help but think this maneuver is driven at least in part by the special counsel probe. Trump had this in the desk drawer since the campaign, and with Flynn's recent legal trouble arising from a back-channel diplomatic effort to help Israel out at the UN (while Obama threw them under the bus), Trump probably wants to fly the "Friend of Israel" flag high and proud right now.

    Sure, but I think it’s broader than that. I don’t think it’s possible to fight both the American Jewish left (fanatically pro-massive-non-White-immigration) and the Jewish right (fanatically pro-Israel) at the same time. Somehow a wedge issue must be found. Netanyahu has shown a surprising willingness to support ethnic nationalism in Eastern Europe (Visegrad Group).

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-israels-netanyahu-backing-hungarys-anti-semitic-posters-against-george-634718

    He recently opined that reform Judasism would disappear in the US within two generations due to liberal Jewish race-mixing and assimilation.

    http://newobserveronline.com/netanyahu-racial-mixing-will-destroy-liberal-jews-by-2070/

    If the Jewish right is really writing off the Jewish left in this way, then they will have to find new allies in the West. These almost certainly will not be gentile leftists, who despise all ethno-national states including certainly Israel. The reasonable thing to do would be to ally with Western nationalists who are willing to accept a Jewish state, as pretty much all of us do. It looks to me like this is where things are headed long term, and I’m cautiously optimistic about this development.

    If the deal is that we accept Jerusalem and the Israeli wall, and we get our own wall, that’s OK with me.

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  45. Brabantian says: • Website

    Unz’s own Israel Shamir, hints at an opposite ‘anti-Semitic’ interpretation of this Trump move … as a very clever anti-Israeli & anti-Jewish-lobby wrecking ball, using Israel’s own over-reaching desires to ruin it, as a couple of commenters above also suggest.

    On this view, Trump’s gambit with Israel is to pretend to give them what they want, Jerusalem as the capital, annexing more of the West Bank etc … Jewish over-reach will provoke such a huuge reaction, that the world community will more quickly move to declare racial-law Israel an apartheid state, and isolate it as a pariah, so that even in the USA Jewish influence will implode, to Trump’s secret pleasure.

    This argument is that Trump, precisely because he has always had to adapt to a Jewish mentality, having spent his entire career amidst it, from his earliest days with Meyer Lansky’s friend Roy Cohn, is quite weary of Jewish power and wishes to bring Jewish influence to heel.

    A related idea is that Trump is shaking the table in order to let the mid-east dominoes fall into conflict, Israel with its neighbours & the various Muslim factions & communities against each other, ultimately buttressing his anti-immigration, ring-fence-the-Anglo-culture positioning, as the world watches mid-East nations fire up deadly major conflict out of what increasingly seems to be their inner nature.

    The theory is that Trump is lighting up the mid-East on purpose, as the best tool he has to demolish both Jewish influence, and the Islamist-fellow-traveller fake progressives in the West.

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  46. LondonBob says:
    @Space Ghost
    Trump is playing 12-dimensional chess here. His plan is to make Muslims hate Israel and engage in terrorism against it.

    The Zionist have no idea of the importance of Jerusalem to Muslims. Nice issue for the whole Middle East to coalesce around and further undermine US (read Israeli) influence in the region.

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  47. lavoisier says: • Website
    @International Jew
    Trump recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital reminds me of the outrage he caused on (I think) his first day in office, when he took a phone call from the president of Taiwan. Which he wasn't supposed to do, because the red Chinese don't want us to.

    In both cases, Trump's gesture amounted to a FU directed "to whom it may concern". Which, within reason, is a good policy inasmuch as it sends two signals: (1) that he lives in the world of the real, not the make-believe, and (2) that he's nobody's bitch. (Letting others dictate who you talk to, and what words you may use, qualifies you as their bitch, par excellence.)

    And before anyone's tempted to respond that this move proves Trump is Israel's bitch, please ponder that our policy toward all the rest of the UN's 200-odd members is to recognize the capital city they have chosen for themselves.

    “And before anyone’s tempted to respond that this move proves Trump is Israel’s bitch, please ponder that our policy toward all the rest of the UN’s 200-odd members is to recognize the capital city they have chosen for themselves.”

    But there are others who live in that country who do not see that country as Israel and have been shut out of the discussion.

    What would the UN say about those people?

    I fear your first thought is the correct one: This just shows the world that Donald Trump is Israel’s bitch. This is fine if the label only applied to him, but unfortunately it now applies to all Americans, even those like myself who are disgusted by this decision and do not support our unholy alliance with |Israel.

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    What would the UN say about those people?
     
    I think the majority of UN member nations recognize Israel. As western Jerusalem was Israeli from Israel's inception, I don't see why those member states that accept Israel should object to its choosing to have its capital in western Jerusalem.
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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Karl
    17 European-American > There’s a bug in Unz web site


    whenever I log on, I get notifications from my browser that Ron Unz is sending the identity of my I.P. to half a dozen other outfits. Including _The Atlantic_, and including Zuckerberg

    All your comments are belong to Unz—Submitted comments become the property of The Unz Review—don’t effortpost without a lawyer!

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  49. @Anon
    I'd wondered why everyone has been squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years, and a look at Wiki reveals a little quirk of the place. It actually has a nice, reasonable summer climate. Jerusalem averages around 84 to 85 F in July and August, instead of the 100s like so many other cities in the Middle East. No wonder everyone wants it.

    The whole country is arid and hot. And it’s not very big either. And it’s a really rough neighbourhood. (Would you really like to live in, say Lebanon, considered desirable for its mountains. It too has had a turbulent history).

    Maybe back in the day it was better to be hot than cold (Northern Europe didn’t start to pull ahead until relatively recently).

    Or perhaps northwestern European was harder to invade,

    The Middle East offered little resistance to the ambitious. Or maybe it was Islam, the ultimate ideology for invaders.

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  50. @JohnnyD
    Boy, I can't wait to read the latest Brett Stephens column explaining how Trump is a vile anti-Semite for giving Jerusalem to the Jews!

    Not yet. His most recent columns are the usual about how horrible Trump is. But it’s a bit early.

    What on earth will he write about post-Trump?

    He doesn’t really align with NYT readers except on Trump. Let’s hope he has many more years of such columns.

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  51. December 7th.
    Take a moment to reflect on Pearl Harbor and what that meant to America and the world.
    At dawn some slept, but not all.

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  52. @lavoisier
    "And before anyone’s tempted to respond that this move proves Trump is Israel’s bitch, please ponder that our policy toward all the rest of the UN’s 200-odd members is to recognize the capital city they have chosen for themselves."

    But there are others who live in that country who do not see that country as Israel and have been shut out of the discussion.

    What would the UN say about those people?

    I fear your first thought is the correct one: This just shows the world that Donald Trump is Israel's bitch. This is fine if the label only applied to him, but unfortunately it now applies to all Americans, even those like myself who are disgusted by this decision and do not support our unholy alliance with |Israel.

    What would the UN say about those people?

    I think the majority of UN member nations recognize Israel. As western Jerusalem was Israeli from Israel’s inception, I don’t see why those member states that accept Israel should object to its choosing to have its capital in western Jerusalem.

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    Is that the decision? Was that made clear in the announcement by Trump?

    Western Jerusalem is the capital of Israel?

    What about the other half of the city?

    What does that belong to? The Palestinians??

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  53. @Steve Sailer
    In the Bible they are always "going up to Jerusalem." It's at about a half-mile elevation.

    People go up to Oxford too, but I’ve never heard it was a good vacation spot.

    BTW, any juicy tidbits in golf courses in the Holy City?

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  54. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I always thought that this was Trump's craziest campaign promise and one I fervently hoped he would quietly forget. In one fell swoop the President has managed to reverse what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East, legitimate Israel's gross violations of international law, destroy any remaining credibility the US had as a broker for peace in the Levant and Middle East, and alienate diplomatic corps from White Hall to Beijing. The purposeless mischief this move will cause is comparable to that caused by the Clintons' expansion of NATO after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.

    The denizens of our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing as are Netanyahu and his fascist party but none of these swamp dwellers are likely to cut Trump any breaks for this stupidity. Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay a heavy price. The current, unbearable travails of the peoples inhabiting the Levant and Middle East will surely increase.

    what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East…

    …our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing

    Apparently 4D chess was pioneered by the architects of our ME policy.

    as are Netanyahu and his fascist party

    Yes, Trump is literally Hitler, and Israelis are Nazis. I see the whole world coming into focus now.

    Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay…

    Yes, and if we don’t let the Muslims into the country to exact their revenge, then they’ll be really angry and kill us.

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    Steve,
    Approve my comments you ninny!!

    /Channel Jack Hanson
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  55. @Neil Templeton
    Lord, Reg, You got something against line breeding? The cull are a trifle. The line is the object.

    As far as I can tell, I’m the only one who thinks Patricia and Misty Spann are innocent and should be released. Not that “breeding” is relevant any longer in their case.

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    It's the thought that counts.
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  56. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Dmitry
    >squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years

    It's actually over 3000-odd years.

    “>squabbling over Jerusalem for 2000-odd years

    It’s actually over 3000-odd years”

    And what do you call 3000-odd years of squabbling and strife?

    “The Peace Process.”

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  57. Trump is like The Derb: reviled by Jews to the point of unemployment, is a committed open and public massive philosemite in return not ashamed at all but PROUD to spruik Jewish causes, even to his own detriment.

    There, in a nutshell, is how the West was lost: (insert closing stirring and inspiring Churchill quote about beaches, never surrender, lofty sunrises, mankind etc)

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  58. @Karl
    17 European-American > There’s a bug in Unz web site


    whenever I log on, I get notifications from my browser that Ron Unz is sending the identity of my I.P. to half a dozen other outfits. Including _The Atlantic_, and including Zuckerberg

    “I get notifications from my browser that Ron Unz is sending the identity of my I.P. to half a dozen other outfits. Including _The Atlantic_, and including Zuckerberg”

    What kind of badass browser tells you that information?

    Are you sure it’s not the images that Steve loads from elsewhere (I counted going down pictures loaded from CNN, mid-day.com, Atlantic, Cafepress, Twitter, Hypable, Vevo, Youtube, the UK Independent and Business Insider. To load the pics, the delivering site must I think know your IP address)?

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  59. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Chrisnonymous

    What would the UN say about those people?
     
    I think the majority of UN member nations recognize Israel. As western Jerusalem was Israeli from Israel's inception, I don't see why those member states that accept Israel should object to its choosing to have its capital in western Jerusalem.

    Is that the decision? Was that made clear in the announcement by Trump?

    Western Jerusalem is the capital of Israel?

    What about the other half of the city?

    What does that belong to? The Palestinians??

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    Did you read/watch Trump's speech?

    We are not taking a position on any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved. The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate a peace agreement that is acceptable to both sides.
     
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  60. @Jonathan Mason
    In a country as small as Israel, which is only about the size of New Jersey and has a lot of desert, does it really matter where the US has its embassy?

    Tel Aviv is supposed to have a good nightlife and restaurants, and is closer to the beaches, so the families of embassy employees would probably prefer to be there for the sea breezes. Does Jerusalem have better housing, schools, healthcare, public transportation, etc? Would it be easier for the embassy to do business with the Israeli government? What about terrorism? Can't a lot of the work of the embassy be done online?

    Could they not just have a branch office in Jerusalem?

    Trump is a real estate guy, so I guess he knows what he is doing.

    He may also want to think about moving the United Nations HQ from New York, since Washington is the capital of the US.

    The United Nations is in New York in large part because Washington is the capitol, not despite this fact.

    Contrast the European Union’s primary operations in Brussels, Belgium’s capitol, and note the (interesting?) outcomes: the United Nations is a toothless gimmick whose worst effect is sinecures and graft for louts who foment propaganda. The European Union is doing a fair job of destroying its members’ sovereignty and running away roughshod over even the idea of a unified Europe which is at least democratic.

    The de facto financial capitols of North America and Europe are New York and Brussels, respectively (unless London still clings to the latter dishonour).

    My point? It is all mostly symbolic posturing. In the current year of jets and ubiquitous telecommunications, the kind of work – if you can call it that! – politicians get up to isn’t dependent upon physical congregation.

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  61. @Chrisnonymous

    what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East...

    ...our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing
     
    Apparently 4D chess was pioneered by the architects of our ME policy.

    as are Netanyahu and his fascist party
     
    Yes, Trump is literally Hitler, and Israelis are Nazis. I see the whole world coming into focus now.

    Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay...
     
    Yes, and if we don't let the Muslims into the country to exact their revenge, then they'll be really angry and kill us.

    Steve,
    Approve my comments you ninny!!

    /Channel Jack Hanson

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  62. @lavoisier
    Is that the decision? Was that made clear in the announcement by Trump?

    Western Jerusalem is the capital of Israel?

    What about the other half of the city?

    What does that belong to? The Palestinians??

    Did you read/watch Trump’s speech?

    We are not taking a position on any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved. The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate a peace agreement that is acceptable to both sides.

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    Thanks for that.
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    @Chrisnonymous
    Did you read/watch Trump's speech?

    We are not taking a position on any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved. The United States remains deeply committed to helping facilitate a peace agreement that is acceptable to both sides.
     

    Thanks for that.

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  64. @Reg Cæsar
    As far as I can tell, I'm the only one who thinks Patricia and Misty Spann are innocent and should be released. Not that "breeding" is relevant any longer in their case.

    It’s the thought that counts.

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  65. FPD72 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I always thought that this was Trump's craziest campaign promise and one I fervently hoped he would quietly forget. In one fell swoop the President has managed to reverse what had been for over half a century a cornerstone of US foreign policy in the Middle East, legitimate Israel's gross violations of international law, destroy any remaining credibility the US had as a broker for peace in the Levant and Middle East, and alienate diplomatic corps from White Hall to Beijing. The purposeless mischief this move will cause is comparable to that caused by the Clintons' expansion of NATO after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact.

    The denizens of our Zionist infested government and establishment are openly rejoicing as are Netanyahu and his fascist party but none of these swamp dwellers are likely to cut Trump any breaks for this stupidity. Ultimately the USA and most of its people will pay a heavy price. The current, unbearable travails of the peoples inhabiting the Levant and Middle East will surely increase.

    How could the moving of our embassy to Jerusalem be a reversal of US foreign policy, since a law has been on the books since 1995 calling for our government to do just that?

    Second question: how is Israel’s move of it’s capital to Jerusalem a violation of international law? Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, despite Israel’s pleas that it stay out of the fray. While a case could be made against Israel’s role as the aggressor against Egypt in 1967, Jordan was the initiator of hostilities with Israel. Israel’s capture of the remaining parts of Jerusalem in a war that Jordan began was legitimate. Are you saying that nations risk nothing but the lives of soldiers when they launch wars against other nations?

    I agree that there might well be negative reprecussions for the US for taking this action. But I fail to see how it is against established US foreign policy or lends support to a violation of international law.

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  66. ctb5 says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    This seems like much ado about nothing. Trump says the U.S. embassy in Israel will move to Jerusalem at some unspecified future time, which has been U.S. policy for years.

    I wonder which gets built first, the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem or Trump's wall.

    As I understand it, an embassy-suitable facility was funded and built years ago and serving as the ‘branch office’ today. All that needs to change is the nameplate and the ambassador’s office location.

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