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As we all know, diversity is our strength. Some xenophobes, though, angrily believe that America’s provincial culture would not benefit from the wholesale importation of diverse peoples and practices, such as the venerable Pashtun tradition of bacha bazi. From Yahoo News, an article on what we are missing out on due to America’s ingrained nativism:

Taliban use ‘honey trap’ boys to kill Afghan police

Anuj Chopra
June 15, 2016

The Taliban are using child sex slaves to mount crippling insider attacks on police in southern Afghanistan, exploiting the pervasive practice of “bacha bazi” — paedophilic boy play — to infiltrate security ranks, multiple officials and survivors of such assaults told AFP.

The ancient custom is prevalent across Afghanistan, but nowhere does it seem as entrenched as in the province of Uruzgan, where “bacha bereesh” — or boys without beards — widely become objects of lustful attraction for powerful police commanders.

The Taliban over nearly two years have used them to mount a wave of Trojan Horse attacks — at least six between January and April alone — that have killed hundreds of policemen, according to security and judicial officials in the province.

“The Taliban are sending boys — beautiful boys, handsome boys — to penetrate checkpoints and kill, drug and poison policemen,” said Ghulam Sakhi Rogh Lewanai, who was Uruzgan’s police chief until he was removed in a security reshuffle in April amid worsening violence. …

The insurgents are using boys as honey traps, said 21-year-old Matiullah, a policeman who was the only survivor from an insider attack in Dehrawud district in spring last year.

He said the attacker was the checkpoint commander’s own sex slave, a teenager called Zabihullah. Late one night, he went on a shooting spree, killing seven policemen including the commander as they slept.

“He brought the Taliban inside and poked all the bodies with rifle butts to see if anyone was alive. I pretended to be dead,” said Matiullah, who now works as a tailor, pointing out a gash on his forehead. …

The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule, roundly denied deploying any underage boys for insider attacks.

“We have a special mujahideen brigade for such operations — all grown men with beards,” a Taliban spokesman told AFP. …

Practically all of Uruzgan’s 370 local and national police checkpoints have bachas — some up to four — who are illegally recruited not just for sexual companionship but also to bear arms, multiple officials said.

Some policemen, they said, demand bachas like a perk of the job, refusing to join outposts where they are not available.

Horrifying abuse at checkpoints makes the boys, many unpaid and unregistered, hungry for revenge and easy prey for Taliban recruitment — often because there is no other escape from exploitative commanders. …

Boys have also spurred a deadly rivalry between policemen, with officials reporting incidents such as a public gunfight this year between two commanders in Gezab district as one of them angrily accused the other of “stealing” his bacha.

“To restore security in Uruzgan, we will first have to separate policemen from their bachas,” one of the judges said.

“But if they are told to reform their ways, a common reply is: ‘If you force me to abandon my boy lover, I will also abandon the checkpoint’. The Taliban are not blind to notice that this addiction is worse than opium.”

Bacha bazi, which the US State Department has called a “culturally sanctioned form of male rape”, peels away the masculine identity of boys in a society where the sexes are tightly segregated.

In conservative areas women are mostly invisible in public — and often unattainable due to steep bride prices. Bachas supplant the role of women, adopting a feminine gait and sometimes wearing makeup and bells on their feet.

Many in Uruzgan see bacha bazi neither as paedophilia nor homosexuality, which is forbidden in Islam. If social norms had a pecking order, violating boys would be seen as far more ethical than violating women. …

But the tactic appears more deep rooted in Uruzgan, where the boys are widely flaunted as a totem of affluence, with some officials openly displaying cellphone images to AFP of their “handsome bachas”.

“Come see my beautiful bacha,” said Naqibullah, a police commander in Dehjawze village near Tarin Kot, boasting that he had been holding the teenager for two years.

With a touch of kohl on his eyes, and bleached blond curly hair poking out of his embroidered hat, the boy sat in a corner of the checkpoint surrounded by opium farms, quietly refilling tea glasses for Naqibullah’s guests.

“Commanders prowl neighbourhoods for young boys. We are scared of dressing up our children or buying new clothes that will make them attractive,” said Nader Khan, a tribal elder in Dehrawud.

Khan’s 13-year-old nephew was taken captive earlier this year by Naqibullah, a local commander not related to the Dehjawze official, when his family sent him to deliver bread for policemen. He was released only after angry tribal elders besieged the governor’s office in Tarin Kot.

And here are some examples of Pashtun wisdom that America could benefit from, from an email from an anthropologist ten years ago:

Here are some Pukhtun (=Pashtun = Pathan = Pushtun) proverbs (from “Generosity and Jealousy: The Swat Pukhtun of Northern Pakistan,” Charles Lindholm, Columbia University Press, 1982.) …

On war and peace (p. 31)

The Pukhtun is never at peace, except when he is at war.

On women (p. 113)

Women belong in the house or in the grave.

Women have no noses. They will eat s***.

One’s own mother and sister are disgusting.

On family life (nepotism and neposchism) (p. 161)

Where there is the sound of a blow, there is respect.

When the floodwaters reach your chin, put your son beneath your feet.

On friendship (p. 240)

God, grant me a true friend who, without urging, will show me his love.

Curiously, the Pukhtun have a strongly idealized notion of friendship. … While other Pukhtun are potential allies, and often must be avenged for the sake of honor, they cannot be true friends, because the element of rivalry is too strong. The ideal friend is a foreigner, providing he comes as a guest, rather than an enemy. Lindholm, although no sociobiologist, argues that a universal human nature is rearing its head here – the desire for human connection expressing itself in the cult of friendship, in what is otherwise a bitterly individualist and cutthroat culture.

 
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  1. Am I the only one to read this and think, “Uruzgan province seems like the ideal place to test the neutron bomb”?

    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Nope.
  2. So Mateen actually got it backwards.

  3. John Masters, a British novelist and army officer, wrote a superb memoir titled ‘Bugles and a Tiger’, an account of his Afghan campaigns with the Gurkhas in the 1930s.

    In it, he noted

    ‘A woman for business, a boy for pleasure, a goat for choice’ is an old Pathan proverb, and one of the most famous of Pathan songs, the ‘Zakhmi Dil’ (‘Wounded Heart’) begins with the words, ‘There’s a boy across the river with a bottom like a peach, but, alas, I cannot swim.’

    • Replies: @NickG
    John Master's factual books are well worth a read (he did well as a novelist with a series of books set in the far East). As well as Bugles and a Tiger, which covers his service in the Indian Army in Afghanistan. there is 'the Road Past Mandalay'.

    Masters ended up as a one star general - a brigade commander - in Burma in the tough fighting rolling back the Japs from the borders of Assam in India Eastwards out of Burma. Post WW2 Masters moved to the US.

    , @berserker
    Aren't young boys (like pearls) one of the rewards in Islamic heaven?
  4. Zuckerberg Initiative makes its first investment – software developers in Africa.

    Soon, Congolese Pygmies will be taking over the AI and robotics industries.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/mark-zuckerberg-45b-initiative-makes-investment-andela-facebook/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Andela trains prospective developers in Nigeria and Kenya. "We live in a world where talent is evenly distributed, but opportunity is not," Zuckerberg said in a statement to the Journal. "Andela's mission is the close that gap.""

    Sure. Talent is evenly distributed. Well, Zuckerberg, sure has a lot of experience closing gaps. I imagine the Newark public school system is now second to none.
  5. Obviously, Afghanistan has been a long and pointless project for the US and NATO, but for a tiny fraction of the money spent on other stuff, the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    ...the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.
     

    It did.

    A group of American women traveled from the Midwest to Kabul in 2001 to do just that, after the fall of the Taliban . A documentary resulted. I'm not sure what has happened since. Maybe the police commanders swiped all the cosmetics for themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjYt6VtVpI

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Rudyard Kipling, who obviously had some close experience with the issue, frequently commented in his short stories on how attractive "hill women" were. The pictures I've seen of young Afghan women suggests that they are often very attractive until their hard live prematurely age them. (Something else Kipling noted.) Maybe the problem is not with the women but the inability of their menfolk to properly appreciate them. A good, western, Christian lover may be what they really need.
    , @tbraton
    When I first started posting on TAC back in early 2010, I quickly made it clear that(1) I had opposed the Iraq War a year before it started when I heard GWB utter that inane phrase "Axis of Evil" in his 2002 SOU speech and (2) that we should have exited Afghanistan a year or two max after we declared war. Phil Giraldi responded to my comment by arguing that we should have exited Afghanistan as soon as we expelled Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I soon was convinced by PG's thinking and concluded we should have exited as quickly as we had entered since we had no vital national interests there. As another poster on TAC put it, Afghanistan was a narco state before we became engaged there, it was a narco state all the time we have been engaged there and it will be a narco state long after we leave, whenever that will be. (Afghanistan, Obama's "good war," is now America's longest-running war.)

    What I find ironic is that, during the Eisenhower Administration in the mid 50's when we were competing with the Soviet Union for the "hearts and minds" of people, we spent a lot of money financing and building a massive irrigation project (modelled after our TVA) taming the Helmand River in Helmand Province in order to promote the production of pomegranites and other other edible produce. Subsequently, the Afghans concluded it did wonders for the production of poppies, which had a much greater cash value than ordinary vegetables. According to Wikipedia, " Helmand is believed to be one of the world's largest opium-producing regions, responsible for around 80% of the world's total production.[4][5] This is believed to be more than the whole of Burma, which is the second largest producing nation after Afghanistan. The region also produces the following: tobacco, sugar beets, cotton, sesame, wheat, mung beans, maize, nuts, sun flowers, onions, potato, tomato, cauliflower, peanut, apricot, grape, and melon.[6]" I believe the expression that "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" best describes our little project in Helmand Province.

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military's propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.
    , @ATX Hipster
    If you want Afghan women to be attractive to Afghan men, you'd be more successful with a metoidioplasty/phalloplasty infrastructure.
    , @Frau Katze
    You miss the point. Women must remained in the house, and be heavily covered if they're out.

    This ensures for a man that he will be the father of the children his wife has.

    The men can be more blasé about other partners, boys and goats. These aren't ever going to have his children.

    As far the use of boys goes, this follows a venerated custom (all the way from Ancient Greece to modern prisons). It's not considered to be homosexual provided the man takes the "male" role.

    With current custom in the West (except in prisons) it doesn't matter which one of a pair takes the male role.
  6. Curious as to how the coalition of the fringes might manage to excuse the horrific rape of boys (bacha bazi) and turn it into something like a ‘genderqueer performative act’, I searched “bacha bazi” + “queering” and… bingo!

    Ms. Magazine: http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/10/07/the-cross-dressing-girls-of-afghanistan/

    -“Gender performativity”
    -“Relearning the gender performance”

    • Replies: @anowow
    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.


    I'm giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by "serious" people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we've gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I'm not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it's gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump's comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    , @TGGP
    That article was about "bacha poshas", girls dressed up as boys. There's also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There's a recent film about that titled "Sworn Virgin", which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.
  7. Black Lies Matter issues a statement saying that Omar Mateen was not a Muslim terrorist, he was a White supremacist because he was born in The United States. Apparently being born on Magic Dirt turns Afghans into Europeans.
    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Black-Lives-Matter-Issues-Powerful-Statement-After-Orlando-20160615-0035.html

    They also blame patriarchy as a White supremacist invention. Apparently patriarchy does not exist in Muslim countries where men can stone women to death and have as many wives at the same time as they want.

    Black Lies Matter also hijacks a vigil in Orlando to go on a rant about how White people are the most evil creatures on the planet.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    Black Lies Matter are obsessed with White people. It’s a sickness. I wonder what percentage of Black Lies Matter suffer from mental illness?

    What Black Lies Matter has in common with ISIS is that they both hate White Western culture.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Relative to the average BLMer, Afghans are white.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    While gays and their allies span the ideological spectrum, they do seem to be firmly planted on the anti-white left. I had a gay guy ask me why I would support Trump as a bi male. This was actually the day after the Orlando massacre.

    I said

    a) Trump has shown no signs of disliking gays.

    b) Regardless, I'd still support him even if he advocated the execution of gays because I prioritize my ethnic group and my civilization infinitely over my sexuality (unlike far too many LGBT). As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy. And to be perfectly frank, voting for leftists massively increases the chance of an Islamic takeover of the West (although, due to demographic realities, that would take a lot longer in the US than it would [will?] in Europe), and I would hope it's not necessary to explain how such a takeover would be bad for gays...

    What I would like to see is BLMers getting drafted into fighting ISIS. As incentive, we could guarantee "reparations" to all survivors.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Jefferson.....Wow, thank you for the link. The BLM wants the spotlight and the megaphone....fuck Gays, Fuck Latinos and most of all fuck Whitey. They were never about inclusion, including blacks who don't follow their line. Years ago at an Affirmative Action meeting I had the temerity to point out that a few building trade unions had a sizeable representation of Native American members. A black community activist, who went on to become a ranking member of the NY State Assembly told me, " Fuck the Indians, we're talking about jobs for blacks." Some things never change. The coalition of the fringes comes unglued when the topic strays from self interest.
    , @athEIst
    as many wives at the same time .

    No, it's four max. Additional women are concubines, who presumably have even less(??) autonomy than wives.
  8. The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule,

    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism. Shame Bush II couldn’t just do a deal with them over bin Laden in 2001, rather than falling for bin Laden’s attempt to draw the US into war.

    • Replies: @JsP
    Yes, down the memory hole is that the Taliban was open to working with us on turning over bin Laden, etc.

    Bad guys? Sure, I guess. But they weren't ISIS--they didn't WANT to fight a war against the US military. They wanted to keep power in the real world (such as it is in Afghanistan) and not just obtain martyrdom for the pleasure of allah.

    Global war was what bin Laden wanted. It sure as hell wasn't what Saddam or qadafi or Assad wanted.
    , @Travis
    even Obama supported the war against Afghanistan , but you are correct. Waging war against the Taliban was not in our interests. Should have just targeted Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.
    We also should have stayed neutral in the USSR-Afghan war instead of financing the Mujahideen rebels wasting billions of our tax dollars.
    , @Polymath
    An anecdote, as to whether Afghanis were better off under the Taliban:

    Women were not allowed to work outside the home. They were not allowed to leave the house without a male escort. That meant widows and their children went hungry.

    A widow in Kabul resorted to prostitution, and made house calls escorted by her 8 y.o. son. She went to the house of a Taliban commander, a regular customer, who one day decided he preferred the boy to the mother, and raped him.
    , @RonaldB
    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban. They Taliban represented the Pashtuns, while the smaller Northern Alliance represented mainly Tajiks.

    US forces had bin Laden bottled up in the Tora Bora mountains, but nation-building considerations made the military command give the job of actually capturing him to the National Alliance forces, rather than relying on US special forces.

    The National Alliance forces naturally botched the job, and bin Laden remained free for years until assassinated in a high-risk operation by US special forces.

    If we weren't enthralled by the siren call of "nation building" we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out. The Northern Alliance would be in control of most of Afghanistan, but would probably lose it to the Taliban, which would be no concern of ours. Most likely, the reinstated Taliban government would realize that to continue governing, they would need to strictly avoid the US.
    , @Fidelios Automata
    As much as I hate Communism, it's obvious to me that instead of opposing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, we should have called Brezhnev and said "How can we help you?"
  9. Oh yeah, and Steve – why nothing yet on the ‘abolish the Second Amendment’ SJW rant by (((David Cohen))) (sorry, couldn’t resist the parentheses, too fitting) over at the Jackie Coakley fanzine?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I think you answered your own question. The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author's proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy. For all the valuable work Sailer has done, his soft spot for the Jews causes him to run interference for them far more than I personally would like to see.
    , @Bugg
    The Constitution has a mechanism to amend it. It has even been used. If the liberals feel (operative verb rather than think) there is nothing stopping them form undertaking that process.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Marie, Amazing that David Cohen wants to abolish the Second Amendment, but if Trump calls for abolishing an amendment, he is a lunatic.
  10. @PiltdownMan
    John Masters, a British novelist and army officer, wrote a superb memoir titled 'Bugles and a Tiger', an account of his Afghan campaigns with the Gurkhas in the 1930s.

    In it, he noted

    'A woman for business, a boy for pleasure, a goat for choice' is an old Pathan proverb, and one of the most famous of Pathan songs, the 'Zakhmi Dil' ('Wounded Heart') begins with the words, 'There's a boy across the river with a bottom like a peach, but, alas, I cannot swim.'

    John Master’s factual books are well worth a read (he did well as a novelist with a series of books set in the far East). As well as Bugles and a Tiger, which covers his service in the Indian Army in Afghanistan. there is ‘the Road Past Mandalay’.

    Masters ended up as a one star general – a brigade commander – in Burma in the tough fighting rolling back the Japs from the borders of Assam in India Eastwards out of Burma. Post WW2 Masters moved to the US.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    Masters left the British army under a cloud because he ran off with another officer's wife.Bad form, you know. Masters was also considered peculiar because he liked women and jazz music. He retired to Arizona where he wrote his novels. When he died, he was cremated. A neighbor fly his small aircraft and spread his ashes over Arizona. The neighbor was Bill Mauldin, the Willie and Joe cartoonist.
  11. @Dave Pinsen
    Obviously, Afghanistan has been a long and pointless project for the US and NATO, but for a tiny fraction of the money spent on other stuff, the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    …the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    It did.

    A group of American women traveled from the Midwest to Kabul in 2001 to do just that, after the fall of the Taliban . A documentary resulted. I’m not sure what has happened since. Maybe the police commanders swiped all the cosmetics for themselves.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  12. Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560664/A-time-capsule-bad-old-days-Shocking-photo-series-captures-underage-prostitutes-Times-Square-late-1970s.html

    San Francisco’s Tenderloin is the closest thing that resembles NYC’s 42nd Street from 30 to 40 years ago, before Rudy Guiliani cleaned it up.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
     
    Oddly, John Masters had exactly the same thought in that book, written in the 1950s.

    Pathans often have pale-blue eyes, untamed and a little terrifying, and the young men's eyes are rimmed with kohl. Gritty dirt is ingrained in their skin, and soles of their feet are like cracked leather. They often wear roses in their long hair, and I frequently wish I could see a Pathan entering a gay cocktail party given by Manhattan fairies."

    I think he was using "gay" in the old sense, given that it was the '50s, though the word works both ways.

    , @Lot
    All I saw in the Tenderloin are thousands of homeless drug addicts, charities that serve them, and sleazy liquor stores and diners.
    , @Brutusale
    They included the young Dee Dee Ramone:


    Finally I came back to L.A., to Culver City, and I had a little money. I had about fifty dollars, and I rented a room in a welfare hotel for about two weeks. And the urge for drugs was pretty strong and the need for love was pretty strong. I wanted a girlfriend or someone to love, a family, and some kind of normalcy in my life.

    But instead I met a guy who would -- was trying to teach how to mug people, and eventually I ended up as a prostitute, as a male prostitute in Hollywood, and eventually I lived with this guy, Jim, for a couple of months in his apartment. And Jim was a record producer and he had a bad legal alcohol problem and pill problem. He was legally addicted to Tuinals and Seconals and Valium.

    And there I got into taking a lot of pills, and into the world of hustling, and it was an experience of total misery. I didn't know what I wanted. I just wanted a roof over my head and I wasn't really gay and I didn't like sleeping with men. But I had a drug habit to support and an alcohol habit to support and that's how it started.

    Finally, I moved back to New York, in total confusion, with a blossoming drug habit. And in New York I started working as a mail clerk, got hooked up with my old friends from Forest Hills who were using heroin. And that's what we all had in common. We were young and had no direction in life and we were abused children and victims of divorce families and none of us were interested in any education or joining the Service, because Viet Nam was going on and we didn't want to cut our hair, and we just became junkies.

    And I would work as a mail clerk in the daytime and that didn't give me much money because it was a low paying job, to support an apartment in Manhattan and a drug habit, a heroin habit. And at night I would go to the street corner called 53rd Street and Third in Manhattan and hustle and pick up men and go to their homes for twenty dollars and have sex with them so I could buy a couple of bags of dope. And this went on for a few years and I became a miserable full blossom drug addict. All the friends I circularized with were hustlers and addicts. And then I somehow -- I hooked up with some friends from Forest Hills, my old friends there, and they were like into drugs and into music the same type of music I was into -- the New York Dolls were on the scene and they sort of brought us together.
    , @tim
    Thank you Jefferson. All the liquor and therapy in the world aren't going to let me unsee that.
  13. This took me a long time to conclude but, at the core, white American leftists’ primary motivation is to avoid being called racist. This motivation trumps their self-preservation and even the preservation of their descendants.

    “So what if some Pashtun rapes my 8 year old boy? At least I won’t get called a racist anytime soon!”

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    Being called a racist has become what "the evil eye" is many other cultures.

    Just proving that a certain irrationality is built into our nature and if the evil eye is discredited, a substitution will emerge.

    In the same fashion, Hitler takes the place of Satan for those who reject religion.
  14. What the heck is a “honey trap?” Isn’t the term “honey pot?” The latter has the advantage of actually existing, thereby serving as a more vivid metaphor. Someone send Anuj Chopra or whoever wrote that headline a copy of Orwell’s Politics and the English Language.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    I remember reading the term "honey trap" in John le Carre novels in the 1980s, i.e. using women to lure spies. I've heard about "honey pots" in connection with cyber-security.
    , @AndrewR
    Honey trap makes more sense. "Honey pot" does not convey any sense of being a trap. It's absurd that you're citing Orwell in order to criticize someone for using a more explicit and literal term instead of a more ambiguous and obfuscatory term.
    , @Percy Gryce
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/03/12/the-history-of-the-honey-trap/
  15. @guest
    What the heck is a "honey trap?" Isn't the term "honey pot?" The latter has the advantage of actually existing, thereby serving as a more vivid metaphor. Someone send Anuj Chopra or whoever wrote that headline a copy of Orwell's Politics and the English Language.

    I remember reading the term “honey trap” in John le Carre novels in the 1980s, i.e. using women to lure spies. I’ve heard about “honey pots” in connection with cyber-security.

  16. @Jefferson
    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560664/A-time-capsule-bad-old-days-Shocking-photo-series-captures-underage-prostitutes-Times-Square-late-1970s.html

    San Francisco's Tenderloin is the closest thing that resembles NYC's 42nd Street from 30 to 40 years ago, before Rudy Guiliani cleaned it up.

    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.

    Oddly, John Masters had exactly the same thought in that book, written in the 1950s.

    Pathans often have pale-blue eyes, untamed and a little terrifying, and the young men’s eyes are rimmed with kohl. Gritty dirt is ingrained in their skin, and soles of their feet are like cracked leather. They often wear roses in their long hair, and I frequently wish I could see a Pathan entering a gay cocktail party given by Manhattan fairies.”

    I think he was using “gay” in the old sense, given that it was the ’50s, though the word works both ways.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Just about the first famous use of "gay" in the modern sense is in the classic screwball comedy "Bringing Up Baby" from 1938 in which somebody asks Cary Grant why (for complicated farcical reasons involving a leopard) he's wearing Katharine Hepburn's frilly bathrobe and he exclaims with exasperation, "Because I've suddenly gone gay!"
  17. JsP says:
    @Randal

    The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule,
     
    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism. Shame Bush II couldn't just do a deal with them over bin Laden in 2001, rather than falling for bin Laden's attempt to draw the US into war.

    Yes, down the memory hole is that the Taliban was open to working with us on turning over bin Laden, etc.

    Bad guys? Sure, I guess. But they weren’t ISIS–they didn’t WANT to fight a war against the US military. They wanted to keep power in the real world (such as it is in Afghanistan) and not just obtain martyrdom for the pleasure of allah.

    Global war was what bin Laden wanted. It sure as hell wasn’t what Saddam or qadafi or Assad wanted.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    , @Randal

    Yes, down the memory hole is that the Taliban was open to working with us on turning over bin Laden, etc.
     
    But for political reasons, the Bush II regime desperately needed to be seen to be kicking some foreign backside at the time.

    Bad guys? Sure, I guess. But they weren’t ISIS–they didn’t WANT to fight a war against the US military. They wanted to keep power in the real world (such as it is in Afghanistan) and not just obtain martyrdom for the pleasure of allah.
     
    Same thing with the Iranians, imo. In general, you don't get to rule a substantial country for long if you are the noble desperate to die for a cause type.

    Global war was what bin Laden wanted. It sure as hell wasn’t what Saddam or qadafi or Assad wanted.
     
    The way I see it, in broad outline Bush II walked right into bin Laden's trap, but bin Laden had underestimated what the military power and wealth of the US could achieve in Afghanistan, which nearly cost his cause everything. Fortunately for the jihadists, Bush II was so stupid he let his advisers talk him into pulling the jihadis' chestnuts out of the fire by invading Iraq. The rest is history, with a couple more hefty helping hands for the jihadists from Washington, in Libya and Syria.

    In 2000, the jihadists had a few borrowed patches of desert in Afghanistan. Thanks to Bush II and Obama, they now openly run entire swathes of territory in the core ME and North Africa.

    Truly a cavalcade of clowns.
  18. @Jefferson
    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560664/A-time-capsule-bad-old-days-Shocking-photo-series-captures-underage-prostitutes-Times-Square-late-1970s.html

    San Francisco's Tenderloin is the closest thing that resembles NYC's 42nd Street from 30 to 40 years ago, before Rudy Guiliani cleaned it up.

    All I saw in the Tenderloin are thousands of homeless drug addicts, charities that serve them, and sleazy liquor stores and diners.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "All I saw in the Tenderloin are thousands of homeless drug addicts, charities that serve them, and sleazy liquor stores and diners."

    42nd Street in New York City also used to be sleazy back in the days just like the Tenderloin still is today, because San Francisco has never had a Rudy Giuliani type mayor to clean shit up. This town only elects batshit crazy Leftists.
    , @Big Bill
    And all the Times Square/42nd St. improvement was due to the creation of Business Improvement Districts (BIDs).

    Property owners within a BID can get together and impose taxes on each other to improve the BID, such as for hiring private cops, improving lighting, etc.

    The porn theaters and poon shops could not afford the taxes imposed by their neighbor property owners so they had to shut down.

    What about creating "Residential Improvement Districts" and cleaning out the ghetto in a similar fashion?
  19. Paul Scott used this practice to help explain–and dispatch–the racially obsessed, closeted policeman, Ronald Merrick, in the last book of the Raj Quartet, A Division of the Spoils.

  20. @JsP
    Yes, down the memory hole is that the Taliban was open to working with us on turning over bin Laden, etc.

    Bad guys? Sure, I guess. But they weren't ISIS--they didn't WANT to fight a war against the US military. They wanted to keep power in the real world (such as it is in Afghanistan) and not just obtain martyrdom for the pleasure of allah.

    Global war was what bin Laden wanted. It sure as hell wasn't what Saddam or qadafi or Assad wanted.

    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren’t Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don’t care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don’t like the name “Taliban.”

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the “United Front of Islamic Wisdom” or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don’t facilitate attacks on America (which I don’t believe they’ve done for 15 years — I think they’ve learned that lesson), I don’t much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    • Agree: Luke Lea
    • Replies: @JsP
    Caring about Afghanistan: the wests worst idea from Alexander-current year!

    but perhaps we WONT BELIEVE this ONE WEIRD TRICK that will finally fix it...
    , @PiltdownMan

    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11.
     
    It's an open question as to whether we have, in fact, established that reputation with the Taliban or anyone else in Afghanistan, to a degree that is meaningful or changes their behavior towards us in the future. This may be because the Afghans are acutely self-aware of their own badass reputation with various foreign invaders, historically speaking, or maybe it is because they are fundamentally incorrigible, in the non-pejorative sense of the word—of being not correctable.

    And one could also have a spirited debate about whether the Afghanistan campaign has given us a reputation sufficiently fearsome to pacify the bad actors in the Middle East.

    We had to do what we had to do, back in November 2001, but I'm not sure we're feared and respected, much less obeyed, except by our sundry hangers on and puppets.

    But I agree, we need to get the hell out. It's a strange, far-away place we no longer have any reason to be in.

    , @Spotted Toad
    I was in a grad school teaching class with a guy who had recently come back from Afghanistan, and was at Toro Bora when we lost Bin Laden in December 2001. What he said, which matched reporting I read later, was that they were ordered not to advance on Bin Laden so as to allow the Afghan troops to do it themselves. They f-ed it up, and Bin Laden vanished into Pakistan.

    Point being that even in the initial phase of the Afghanistan war, the crazy idea that we were going to turn them into a functional state had already messed with our ability to get anything done.

    Rory Stewart's book about walking across Afghanistan in 2002, The Places In Between, is quite good. I don't remember him mentioning the pederasty thing, though.
    , @Felix.
    The thing is Steve, the people who run America care about what you think about as much as you care about Afghanistan. And by 'you' I mean Americans.
    , @Federalist
    Exactly. You should do a column on this. We are always presented with only two alternatives. Supposedly you either have to be a neocon, stay the course, and support fighting until the end (of an endless war) or you have to be a dove who opposes all military action while at least bordering on being anti-American.

    It may not be nice to say but in terms of real world geopolitics, the U.S. had to take vengeance after 9/11. The Taliban was never looking to get into the global jihad game. They just wanted to rule over Afghanistan (and probably at least part of Pakistan). But, the Arabs of Al-Qaeda had lots of money and weapons that were just too good to pass up. If they would have known that Al-Qaeda was going to get them dragged into a war with America, the Taliban would probably never have let Al-Qaeda in to begin with. On the other hand, once they were in over their heads, the Taliban was not going to take orders from the USA to give up Al-Qaeda. The Taliban went from having control of most of Afghanistan and well on their way from rolling up the remnants of their opposition before 9/11 to being almost utterly defeated by their American-backed enemies. The US, supporting the Taliban's enemies with everything from Special Forces troops on horseback to high altitude precision bombing, looked invincible. The message was clear to anyone else involved in a power struggle on their home turf: cross America and be left to the tender mercies of your mortal enemies or support America and get access to previously undreamed of capabilities with which to smite your enemy.

    However, instead of just making an example of the Taliban, we decided to stay in Afghanistan however long it took .... to lose. We were trying to make Afghanistan some kind of first world liberal democracy. That would not happen if we stayed 100 years. The people we were backing were savage warlords. They're fine for slaughtering your enemies but no good as Founding Fathers. The Taliban started off as a fanatical Islamist faction that a lot of Afghans resented because they don't let people do fun things like have bacha bazis. After a while, the "Taliban" got to be people fed up with the U.S. trying to impose democracy (or whatever the hell we were doing). In other words, pretty much everybody in Afghanistan.
    , @Lugash
    "Kill Bin Laden" written by a Delta Force commander goes into the hunt and this decision. He asked for Army Rangers to block the passes into Pakistan, and was denied by Rumsfeld. He said that during his entire career in the military this was the only time a combat request was denied.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I agree with this.

    Now allow me to make myself unpopular around here and say that I also think the same thing about the 2003 Iraq Attaq. Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What's left?

    The point of the invasion was to ensure Saddam had no WMD--either because they weren't there or because we would remove them--and to remove Saddam from power, since he seemed incapable of learning the lesson of his previous war with the US.

    I started having doubts about the enterprise when Thomas Friedman suddenly invented the Pottery Barn Doctrine ("You break it, you own it.") Whoa, thought I, now our foreign policy is driven by crappy mall store slogans?!? We're just making sure this guy is disarmed as a safety precaution. Running Iraq is not our problem. Bush came into office proclaiming his skepticism of nation-building, so clearly that's not on the menu. What's all this talk about "owning" it?

    But the joke was on me, and the rest of America, and Iraq. Nation-building WAS on the menu. Indeed, it turned out to be the only menu item.

    In my defense, greater men than I were also fooled by the strange turn of events. Henry Kissinger:


    "I thought it would be a quick operation to replace Saddam. I did not think it would lead to — and I would not have favored — a long-term occupation in order to reconstruct a society and to try to repeat the experiences of Germany and Japan in a country that had no comparable institutions. I even then thought that it was beyond the capacity of the United States, or maybe anybody, to turn Iraq into a Western-style democracy."
     
    Beside Friedman's bizarre invocation of a Pottery Barn doctrine, I think the other aspect that brought about this subtle but fatal shift of objective was that after the Leftish Media (I repeat myself, I know) failed to stop the invasion train from leaving the station, it occurred to them that if they couldn't prevent the train from leaving the station, they could at least derail it, by changing it from a military invasion into a sort of (armed) social worker intervention. In this they were spectacularly successful. After the rapid success of the Rumsfeld blitzkrieg, the media editorializing quickly took on a pseudo-noble, morally extortionate tone: that this must be about helping the Iraqis, not about anything so base as preventing America from getting nuked, sarin-ed or bioweaponed. Unfortunately the Bush administration seemed to fall for this and the military objective imperceptibly shifted from shutting down a threat, to forcing Iraqis to attain an unattainable NY Times version of niceness.

    This incidentally answers Arclight's question above (#32?) of why no one in the media ever asks anyone in government why the US military is still involved in these countries. The major media labored mightily to create this situation where the most powerful military in the world is absorbed in the most pointless project in the world. If they allow anyone to notice it, someone might change it. This is also why military-hating John Kerry reiterated this Pottery Barn nonsense so prominently in his 2004 campaign. The Left knew they had Bush and the Mil-Cons in a double bind, and they like it that way.

  21. “The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule, roundly denied deploying any underage boys for insider attacks.”

    They also banned poppy cultivation and almostveradicated it … good thing the Western Powers arrived in a nick of time to preserve both of these finepieces of local culture.

  22. @PiltdownMan

    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
     
    Oddly, John Masters had exactly the same thought in that book, written in the 1950s.

    Pathans often have pale-blue eyes, untamed and a little terrifying, and the young men's eyes are rimmed with kohl. Gritty dirt is ingrained in their skin, and soles of their feet are like cracked leather. They often wear roses in their long hair, and I frequently wish I could see a Pathan entering a gay cocktail party given by Manhattan fairies."

    I think he was using "gay" in the old sense, given that it was the '50s, though the word works both ways.

    Just about the first famous use of “gay” in the modern sense is in the classic screwball comedy “Bringing Up Baby” from 1938 in which somebody asks Cary Grant why (for complicated farcical reasons involving a leopard) he’s wearing Katharine Hepburn’s frilly bathrobe and he exclaims with exasperation, “Because I’ve suddenly gone gay!”

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Your mention of "Bringing Up Baby" caused me to make a connection. Grant's character was supposedly based on John Ford (hence the thick glasses) who was rumored to be bisexual (as was Grant himself, for that matter). Lots of fun in-jokes in that movie.

    My favorite scene:

    https://youtu.be/tEiAFhLQVY8
  23. @Lot
    All I saw in the Tenderloin are thousands of homeless drug addicts, charities that serve them, and sleazy liquor stores and diners.

    “All I saw in the Tenderloin are thousands of homeless drug addicts, charities that serve them, and sleazy liquor stores and diners.”

    42nd Street in New York City also used to be sleazy back in the days just like the Tenderloin still is today, because San Francisco has never had a Rudy Giuliani type mayor to clean shit up. This town only elects batshit crazy Leftists.

  24. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    Caring about Afghanistan: the wests worst idea from Alexander-current year!

    but perhaps we WONT BELIEVE this ONE WEIRD TRICK that will finally fix it…

    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Lot
    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here's a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    http://cdn.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1-790.jpg

    http://www.bestphotosite.net/photos/751092613.jpg

    By comparison, here's some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6p8UNQvuNM/VsGLA4EawQI/AAAAAAAABXA/2yReSQ3f97I/s1600/IMG-20160212-WA0011.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fseR172txwE/Vx3S3qoFj2I/AAAAAAAABrY/5pcubG5802YzEFaKzg-aJFQDuj1pnAOQgCKgB/s1600/P4220351.JPG
  25. “Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.”
    ~ Thomas Jefferson

    “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.”
    ~ John Quincy Adams

    Isolationism vs Non-Interventionism: Ron Paul Explains:

    (5 min)

    Let’s not intervene, including with “economic hitmen”. MYOB.

    • Agree: Travis
  26. sounds like the taliban are the good guys . next november america stops being the worlds bacha bazi boy!

  27. @Marie
    Curious as to how the coalition of the fringes might manage to excuse the horrific rape of boys (bacha bazi) and turn it into something like a 'genderqueer performative act', I searched "bacha bazi" + "queering" and... bingo!

    Ms. Magazine: http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/10/07/the-cross-dressing-girls-of-afghanistan/

    -"Gender performativity"
    -"Relearning the gender performance"

    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.

    I’m giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by “serious” people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we’ve gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I’m not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it’s gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump’s comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    • Replies: @Randal

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows?
     
    How far behind Canada is the US on the slippery slope nowadays?

    Sex acts with pets is OK with the Canadian Supreme Court… as long as it doesn’t involve penetration
    , @Anonymous

    I’m giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by “serious” people

     

    Along those lines, polygamy is making inroads in the West. Western countries may prevent polygamous marriages from being performed within their own borders, but they are obligated by UN treaty to honor polygamous marriages entered into overseas where they are legal:

    http://newobserveronline.com/germany-invaders-multiple-wives/

    This offshore marriage phenomenon is common in Israel, which is likewise forced to accept marriages between Israeli Jews and non-Jews that are performed overseas (typically in Cyprus, I believe).
    , @flyingtiger
    This may already exist. A number of families were paid off by Michael Jackson. It seems that it is acceeptable for someone to use a young boy in you are willing to give the parents lots of money. The records are sealed so we do not know if a few or many boys were used this way.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I think that you're pretty optimistic in that 15 years everything isn't going to look like the climax of a Fallout game.
    , @Fidelios Automata
    Hey now, bestiality is a time-honored tradition!
    Which makes a more acceptable victim, your kid or some random sheep?
  28. It’s always amusing to read the aha ad alt-fighters talk about sex and physical intimacy, a subject in which they have no personal experience

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "It’s always amusing to read the aha ad alt-fighters talk about sex and physical intimacy, a subject in which they have no personal experience."

    This is quite typical leftist projection. We are not talking about sex and physical intimacy. We're talking about pederasty.

    So I gather that you consider pederasty to be a legitimate form of "physical intimacy". Well, I guess that's one way for you to rationalize being a catamite.
    , @anonymous
    Personally, I laid miles of pipe.
  29. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11.

    It’s an open question as to whether we have, in fact, established that reputation with the Taliban or anyone else in Afghanistan, to a degree that is meaningful or changes their behavior towards us in the future. This may be because the Afghans are acutely self-aware of their own badass reputation with various foreign invaders, historically speaking, or maybe it is because they are fundamentally incorrigible, in the non-pejorative sense of the word—of being not correctable.

    And one could also have a spirited debate about whether the Afghanistan campaign has given us a reputation sufficiently fearsome to pacify the bad actors in the Middle East.

    We had to do what we had to do, back in November 2001, but I’m not sure we’re feared and respected, much less obeyed, except by our sundry hangers on and puppets.

    But I agree, we need to get the hell out. It’s a strange, far-away place we no longer have any reason to be in.

  30. I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan. When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.

    Now that we’ve mostly left Iraq and Afghanistan has not progressed into anything other than a place where taxpayer money goes directly into the pockets of corrupt warlords, I can’t see the point. It’s a country that is incredibly poor in human capital and natural resources and as revolting as its native society is, it poses no threat to us.

    The media doesn’t ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    The media doesn’t ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on...
     
    The media doesn't ever ask anybody anything anymore, and certainly not anybody in the government.
    , @Randal

    When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.
     
    The message to Iran was: here's Iraq (the important bits, anyway) on a plate, as long as you make damned sure we don't manage to establish any kind of order there that could result in us getting the pro-US government we're hoping for into place. And if you don't work hard enough to get us out with our tails between our legs, you're next.

    They got that message loud and clear.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "The media doesn’t ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?"

    I like to point out to people that we have now been militarily involved in Afghanistan longer than the Civil War, WWI, and WWII combined.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan ... Am I missing something?"
     
    I think what you are missing is described in my comment above (somewhere around #200?).

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-would-deprive-u-s-of-afghan-diversity-such-as-bacha-bazi/#comment-1457842

    Basically, the deceitful media managed to gull Bush into endlessly committing the US military to a pointless project: modernizing Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama likes it that way too, so he hasn't really changed it. The media like it that way, so naturally they don't ask any embarrassing questions.
  31. There was a Department of Defense intelligence report about Pashtun homosexuality/pederasty that became unclassified through Wikileaks in 2010.

    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/tolerance-and-freedom/

  32. What proportion of US immigrants are from a rural Pushtun background, Steve? 0.01% must be a generous estimate.

    And since the fundamentalist Islamic Taliban hated Pushtun pederasty, isn’t this actually a case for preferring Islamic fundamentalist, pro-Taliban Afghan immigrants? I mean, Sharia Law and burkas are one thing, but at least they’re staying away from your teenage son.

    This kind of anthropology is more philosophically interesting than a practical challenge to immigration. A culture where most men are, by our standards, misogynist gay pedophile rapists, poses a severe challenge to liberal Western beliefs that sexual orientation is a matter of destiny, and to conservative Western beliefs that moral standards should be universal and self-evident.

    As a gay man, I’ve got to also point out there used to be a bit of pederasty in the gay rights movement, with NAMBLA and Ginsberg marching alongside the GLF before the latter went respectable and integrationist. Early gay rights activists like Harry Hay were pro-NAMBLA.

  33. I’ve run across numerous comments by American homosexuals over the years that an honest homosexual will admit there is an enduring element of pedophilia in homosexual culture. The boys, valued as much in America as they are in Afghanistan, are called “twinks” … having the adolescent look and feel of a female but the genitals of a male. Instead, the gay community likes to characterize itself à la Playboy as being “just like the guy next door.”

    From Wikipedia: “Twink is a gay slang term used to describe young men in their late teens to early twenties. Usage of the term varies, but traits attributed to twinks can include attractiveness, having little or no body or facial hair, a slim to average build, or appearing to be younger than their chronological age. The term dates back to at least 1963, but may be derived from the older British term twank.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang)

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    The phrase I heard used , around 1970, was "Twinkie," and it was in reference to boys in their mid- teens...15-16, or thereabouts.
    , @e
    The boys, valued as much in America as they are in Afghanistan, are called “twinks” … having the adolescent look and feel of a female but the genitals of a male.

    I'd say that males who haven't yet developed strong secondary sex characteristics yet (little to no facial or body hair, thin or frail build (no broad shoulders or deep chest, for instance) don't have, as you say, "the adolescent look and feel of a female" as much as they have an androgenous adolescent look.
  34. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Colorful story. But is it true? Killing “hundreds” of Afghan policemen with this “honey trap” seems rather high. It’s almost as if this story is out of The Onion. In the third world sexual roles are often viewed differently and between males there’s a differentiation made between ‘pitchers’ and ‘catchers’. This is also true in parts of the US prison system. Afghanistan has always been a primitive place and it having been a battleground for the past thirty-six years certainly can’t contribute to any societal progress. Osama bin Laden has been dead for years now and was irrelevant and out of the country for years prior to that so why are we still there?

  35. @JsP
    Yes, down the memory hole is that the Taliban was open to working with us on turning over bin Laden, etc.

    Bad guys? Sure, I guess. But they weren't ISIS--they didn't WANT to fight a war against the US military. They wanted to keep power in the real world (such as it is in Afghanistan) and not just obtain martyrdom for the pleasure of allah.

    Global war was what bin Laden wanted. It sure as hell wasn't what Saddam or qadafi or Assad wanted.

    Yes, down the memory hole is that the Taliban was open to working with us on turning over bin Laden, etc.

    But for political reasons, the Bush II regime desperately needed to be seen to be kicking some foreign backside at the time.

    Bad guys? Sure, I guess. But they weren’t ISIS–they didn’t WANT to fight a war against the US military. They wanted to keep power in the real world (such as it is in Afghanistan) and not just obtain martyrdom for the pleasure of allah.

    Same thing with the Iranians, imo. In general, you don’t get to rule a substantial country for long if you are the noble desperate to die for a cause type.

    Global war was what bin Laden wanted. It sure as hell wasn’t what Saddam or qadafi or Assad wanted.

    The way I see it, in broad outline Bush II walked right into bin Laden’s trap, but bin Laden had underestimated what the military power and wealth of the US could achieve in Afghanistan, which nearly cost his cause everything. Fortunately for the jihadists, Bush II was so stupid he let his advisers talk him into pulling the jihadis’ chestnuts out of the fire by invading Iraq. The rest is history, with a couple more hefty helping hands for the jihadists from Washington, in Libya and Syria.

    In 2000, the jihadists had a few borrowed patches of desert in Afghanistan. Thanks to Bush II and Obama, they now openly run entire swathes of territory in the core ME and North Africa.

    Truly a cavalcade of clowns.

  36. @PiltdownMan
    John Masters, a British novelist and army officer, wrote a superb memoir titled 'Bugles and a Tiger', an account of his Afghan campaigns with the Gurkhas in the 1930s.

    In it, he noted

    'A woman for business, a boy for pleasure, a goat for choice' is an old Pathan proverb, and one of the most famous of Pathan songs, the 'Zakhmi Dil' ('Wounded Heart') begins with the words, 'There's a boy across the river with a bottom like a peach, but, alas, I cannot swim.'

    Aren’t young boys (like pearls) one of the rewards in Islamic heaven?

  37. @anowow
    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.


    I'm giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by "serious" people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we've gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I'm not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it's gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump's comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows?

    How far behind Canada is the US on the slippery slope nowadays?

    Sex acts with pets is OK with the Canadian Supreme Court… as long as it doesn’t involve penetration

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    TMFI dude!
  38. @Arclight
    I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan. When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.

    Now that we've mostly left Iraq and Afghanistan has not progressed into anything other than a place where taxpayer money goes directly into the pockets of corrupt warlords, I can't see the point. It's a country that is incredibly poor in human capital and natural resources and as revolting as its native society is, it poses no threat to us.

    The media doesn't ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?

    The media doesn’t ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on…

    The media doesn’t ever ask anybody anything anymore, and certainly not anybody in the government.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    Not strictly true - Anderson Cooper grilled a FL statewide elected official about her shameful lack of pro-LGBT tweets. Hard hitting reporting right there.
  39. @Arclight
    I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan. When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.

    Now that we've mostly left Iraq and Afghanistan has not progressed into anything other than a place where taxpayer money goes directly into the pockets of corrupt warlords, I can't see the point. It's a country that is incredibly poor in human capital and natural resources and as revolting as its native society is, it poses no threat to us.

    The media doesn't ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?

    When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.

    The message to Iran was: here’s Iraq (the important bits, anyway) on a plate, as long as you make damned sure we don’t manage to establish any kind of order there that could result in us getting the pro-US government we’re hoping for into place. And if you don’t work hard enough to get us out with our tails between our legs, you’re next.

    They got that message loud and clear.

  40. The Pushtun is never at peace, except when he is at war.

    WAAAGH!

  41. @Jefferson
    Black Lies Matter issues a statement saying that Omar Mateen was not a Muslim terrorist, he was a White supremacist because he was born in The United States. Apparently being born on Magic Dirt turns Afghans into Europeans.
    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Black-Lives-Matter-Issues-Powerful-Statement-After-Orlando-20160615-0035.html

    They also blame patriarchy as a White supremacist invention. Apparently patriarchy does not exist in Muslim countries where men can stone women to death and have as many wives at the same time as they want.

    Black Lies Matter also hijacks a vigil in Orlando to go on a rant about how White people are the most evil creatures on the planet.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    Black Lies Matter are obsessed with White people. It's a sickness. I wonder what percentage of Black Lies Matter suffer from mental illness?

    What Black Lies Matter has in common with ISIS is that they both hate White Western culture.

    Relative to the average BLMer, Afghans are white.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    While gays and their allies span the ideological spectrum, they do seem to be firmly planted on the anti-white left. I had a gay guy ask me why I would support Trump as a bi male. This was actually the day after the Orlando massacre.

    I said

    a) Trump has shown no signs of disliking gays.

    b) Regardless, I’d still support him even if he advocated the execution of gays because I prioritize my ethnic group and my civilization infinitely over my sexuality (unlike far too many LGBT). As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy. And to be perfectly frank, voting for leftists massively increases the chance of an Islamic takeover of the West (although, due to demographic realities, that would take a lot longer in the US than it would [will?] in Europe), and I would hope it’s not necessary to explain how such a takeover would be bad for gays…

    What I would like to see is BLMers getting drafted into fighting ISIS. As incentive, we could guarantee “reparations” to all survivors.

    • Replies: @Olorin

    As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy.
     
    The future the left has in store for everybody is rosy only in its diversitopian ideology and fluffy bunny catechisms.

    Otherwise it's 110% mayhem for all but a few thousand globalista families.

    This is what its stupid foot soldiers don't seem to comprehend. Everything they want, value, desire, envy, and benefit from resides in societies created by people of a fairly restricted genomic pool. Erase that genome--situationally or genetically--and what you have left is Detroit.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    BLM is the new Westboro Baptist Church.
  42. @Marie
    Oh yeah, and Steve - why nothing yet on the 'abolish the Second Amendment' SJW rant by (((David Cohen))) (sorry, couldn't resist the parentheses, too fitting) over at the Jackie Coakley fanzine?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613

    I think you answered your own question. The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author’s proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy. For all the valuable work Sailer has done, his soft spot for the Jews causes him to run interference for them far more than I personally would like to see.

    • Replies: @Lot

    The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author’s proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy.
     
    The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims.* White Americans are extremely philo-semetic, and as I've posted in detail before, increasingly have Jewish/part-Jewish blood relatives.

    *Polls showing Latinos hold anti-semitic views are seriously flawed by orgs that have a financial incentive to overstate antisemitism. They just reflect Latinos are less PC than US whites. For example, saying you agree that "Jews are good at business" absurdly gets labeled as anti-semite in these BS polls. No, that poll is just testing common sense and self-censorship.
    , @RonaldB
    I don't know if you caught Jared Taylor's speech at the American Renaissance convention, but he said that while they undoubtedly had problems with Jewish groups [breaking down white consciousness], some of their most important supporters were Jews.

    So, the tendency to try to lump Jews all together is self-defeating.

    Having said that, you can see that 70% of US Jews supported Obama in his second election.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    I think Israel is very functional the way it is. It is a rock of stable borders, a showcase of (more-or-less) Western values, a high-tech sanctuary supplying much valuable technology, and a homeland for productive but contentious Jews who have crafted a highly functional environment for themselves and the Christians and Muslims under their protection.
  43. @Lot
    All I saw in the Tenderloin are thousands of homeless drug addicts, charities that serve them, and sleazy liquor stores and diners.

    And all the Times Square/42nd St. improvement was due to the creation of Business Improvement Districts (BIDs).

    Property owners within a BID can get together and impose taxes on each other to improve the BID, such as for hiring private cops, improving lighting, etc.

    The porn theaters and poon shops could not afford the taxes imposed by their neighbor property owners so they had to shut down.

    What about creating “Residential Improvement Districts” and cleaning out the ghetto in a similar fashion?

    • Replies: @Lot
    I think BID are great ideas. They solve the collective action problem and allow tax funds to go exclusively to serving a small area entirely for the benefit of the taxpayers.

    I would not credit them too much for cleaning up Manhattan though, the reduction in crime is really all that needed to happen. It is otherwise just about the most desirable place in the USA to live if you like city living, and most white people do. We forget about this sometimes as Americans because we so strongly associate "urban=ghetto blacks." But if you go to small cities anywhere in Europe, you'll see that towns of only 2 or 3 thousand people are nonetheless built up like little urban areas, with half or more of the 2 or 3 thousand people living in 3 to 4 story apartments and 2-3 floor row houses. And towns of 100,000 in Europe often look like a chunk of San Francisco or Brooklyn was cut out and plopped in the middle of a farm.

    What about creating “Residential Improvement Districts” and cleaning out the ghetto in a similar fashion?
     
    We have those in the form of HOAs in new developments. I know of one example where it was applied retroactively to a lower-middle class residential area that was about 60% black but with very high home ownership and surrounded by 90% black very poor areas.

    Stopping it from going to complete black ghetto ending up working. It involved closing 90% of the streets that went between the neighborhood and surrounding ghetto by erecting concrete barriers in the middle of the street, creating artificial cul de sacs on each side, and gating the remaining ones, and paying higher taxes for private security on top of the police. The initial funds for the project came from some sort of federal program.
  44. @guest
    What the heck is a "honey trap?" Isn't the term "honey pot?" The latter has the advantage of actually existing, thereby serving as a more vivid metaphor. Someone send Anuj Chopra or whoever wrote that headline a copy of Orwell's Politics and the English Language.

    Honey trap makes more sense. “Honey pot” does not convey any sense of being a trap. It’s absurd that you’re citing Orwell in order to criticize someone for using a more explicit and literal term instead of a more ambiguous and obfuscatory term.

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anowow
    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.


    I'm giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by "serious" people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we've gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I'm not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it's gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump's comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    I’m giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by “serious” people

    Along those lines, polygamy is making inroads in the West. Western countries may prevent polygamous marriages from being performed within their own borders, but they are obligated by UN treaty to honor polygamous marriages entered into overseas where they are legal:

    http://newobserveronline.com/germany-invaders-multiple-wives/

    This offshore marriage phenomenon is common in Israel, which is likewise forced to accept marriages between Israeli Jews and non-Jews that are performed overseas (typically in Cyprus, I believe).

  46. TGGP says: • Website
    @Marie
    Curious as to how the coalition of the fringes might manage to excuse the horrific rape of boys (bacha bazi) and turn it into something like a 'genderqueer performative act', I searched "bacha bazi" + "queering" and... bingo!

    Ms. Magazine: http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/10/07/the-cross-dressing-girls-of-afghanistan/

    -"Gender performativity"
    -"Relearning the gender performance"

    That article was about “bacha poshas”, girls dressed up as boys. There’s also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There’s a recent film about that titled “Sworn Virgin”, which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    "That article was about “bacha poshas”, girls dressed up as boys. There’s also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There’s a recent film about that titled “Sworn Virgin”, which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called."

    I understand that Albania is now a member of NATO. How did that happen?
    , @Tex

    There’s a recent film about that titled “Sworn Virgin”, which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.
     
    Supposedly sworn virgins are women who take on a man's role when all the men in their family have been killed in feuds. The woman is supposed to keep the feud going, and you just can't snipe at Hatbashis or McCoyfazils wearing a dress.

    Or maybe it's a cover for some kinky cross-dressing. Qien sabe.
  47. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    I was in a grad school teaching class with a guy who had recently come back from Afghanistan, and was at Toro Bora when we lost Bin Laden in December 2001. What he said, which matched reporting I read later, was that they were ordered not to advance on Bin Laden so as to allow the Afghan troops to do it themselves. They f-ed it up, and Bin Laden vanished into Pakistan.

    Point being that even in the initial phase of the Afghanistan war, the crazy idea that we were going to turn them into a functional state had already messed with our ability to get anything done.

    Rory Stewart’s book about walking across Afghanistan in 2002, The Places In Between, is quite good. I don’t remember him mentioning the pederasty thing, though.

  48. @Tiny Duck
    It's always amusing to read the aha ad alt-fighters talk about sex and physical intimacy, a subject in which they have no personal experience

    “It’s always amusing to read the aha ad alt-fighters talk about sex and physical intimacy, a subject in which they have no personal experience.”

    This is quite typical leftist projection. We are not talking about sex and physical intimacy. We’re talking about pederasty.

    So I gather that you consider pederasty to be a legitimate form of “physical intimacy”. Well, I guess that’s one way for you to rationalize being a catamite.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    Well, I guess that’s one way for you to rationalize being a catamite.
     
    Actually, if Sick Duck was into underage sex, it would be necessary to coin the new word "kittenamite" to describe him. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's carnally interested only in adult cats.
  49. @TGGP
    That article was about "bacha poshas", girls dressed up as boys. There's also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There's a recent film about that titled "Sworn Virgin", which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.

    “That article was about “bacha poshas”, girls dressed up as boys. There’s also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There’s a recent film about that titled “Sworn Virgin”, which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.”

    I understand that Albania is now a member of NATO. How did that happen?

    • Replies: @athEIst
    I understand that Albania is now a member of NATO.

    Catch up now or you will be surprised again when Sri Lanka and the Malagasy Republic join.
  50. @Arclight
    I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan. When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.

    Now that we've mostly left Iraq and Afghanistan has not progressed into anything other than a place where taxpayer money goes directly into the pockets of corrupt warlords, I can't see the point. It's a country that is incredibly poor in human capital and natural resources and as revolting as its native society is, it poses no threat to us.

    The media doesn't ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?

    “The media doesn’t ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?”

    I like to point out to people that we have now been militarily involved in Afghanistan longer than the Civil War, WWI, and WWII combined.

  51. @Dave Pinsen
    Obviously, Afghanistan has been a long and pointless project for the US and NATO, but for a tiny fraction of the money spent on other stuff, the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    Rudyard Kipling, who obviously had some close experience with the issue, frequently commented in his short stories on how attractive “hill women” were. The pictures I’ve seen of young Afghan women suggests that they are often very attractive until their hard live prematurely age them. (Something else Kipling noted.) Maybe the problem is not with the women but the inability of their menfolk to properly appreciate them. A good, western, Christian lover may be what they really need.

  52. The prevailing outlook of the Muslim world seems to be “women for business, boys for pleasure” indeed. This is just an extreme version of the traditional pederasty that has been common throughout history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotadic_zone) the modern concept of homosexuality (two adult males) is anathema there. Maybe Mateen was upset he had to settle for 18 year old Puerto Ricans?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    The rest of the quote is “Women for business, boys for pleasure, and a goat for choice". Not that there's anything wrong with that.
  53. @Anonymous
    Zuckerberg Initiative makes its first investment - software developers in Africa.

    Soon, Congolese Pygmies will be taking over the AI and robotics industries.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/mark-zuckerberg-45b-initiative-makes-investment-andela-facebook/

    “Andela trains prospective developers in Nigeria and Kenya. “We live in a world where talent is evenly distributed, but opportunity is not,” Zuckerberg said in a statement to the Journal. “Andela’s mission is the close that gap.””

    Sure. Talent is evenly distributed. Well, Zuckerberg, sure has a lot of experience closing gaps. I imagine the Newark public school system is now second to none.

  54. @Jefferson
    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560664/A-time-capsule-bad-old-days-Shocking-photo-series-captures-underage-prostitutes-Times-Square-late-1970s.html

    San Francisco's Tenderloin is the closest thing that resembles NYC's 42nd Street from 30 to 40 years ago, before Rudy Guiliani cleaned it up.

    They included the young Dee Dee Ramone:

    Finally I came back to L.A., to Culver City, and I had a little money. I had about fifty dollars, and I rented a room in a welfare hotel for about two weeks. And the urge for drugs was pretty strong and the need for love was pretty strong. I wanted a girlfriend or someone to love, a family, and some kind of normalcy in my life.

    But instead I met a guy who would — was trying to teach how to mug people, and eventually I ended up as a prostitute, as a male prostitute in Hollywood, and eventually I lived with this guy, Jim, for a couple of months in his apartment. And Jim was a record producer and he had a bad legal alcohol problem and pill problem. He was legally addicted to Tuinals and Seconals and Valium.

    And there I got into taking a lot of pills, and into the world of hustling, and it was an experience of total misery. I didn’t know what I wanted. I just wanted a roof over my head and I wasn’t really gay and I didn’t like sleeping with men. But I had a drug habit to support and an alcohol habit to support and that’s how it started.

    Finally, I moved back to New York, in total confusion, with a blossoming drug habit. And in New York I started working as a mail clerk, got hooked up with my old friends from Forest Hills who were using heroin. And that’s what we all had in common. We were young and had no direction in life and we were abused children and victims of divorce families and none of us were interested in any education or joining the Service, because Viet Nam was going on and we didn’t want to cut our hair, and we just became junkies.

    And I would work as a mail clerk in the daytime and that didn’t give me much money because it was a low paying job, to support an apartment in Manhattan and a drug habit, a heroin habit. And at night I would go to the street corner called 53rd Street and Third in Manhattan and hustle and pick up men and go to their homes for twenty dollars and have sex with them so I could buy a couple of bags of dope. And this went on for a few years and I became a miserable full blossom drug addict. All the friends I circularized with were hustlers and addicts. And then I somehow — I hooked up with some friends from Forest Hills, my old friends there, and they were like into drugs and into music the same type of music I was into — the New York Dolls were on the scene and they sort of brought us together.

  55. @Marie
    Oh yeah, and Steve - why nothing yet on the 'abolish the Second Amendment' SJW rant by (((David Cohen))) (sorry, couldn't resist the parentheses, too fitting) over at the Jackie Coakley fanzine?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613

    The Constitution has a mechanism to amend it. It has even been used. If the liberals feel (operative verb rather than think) there is nothing stopping them form undertaking that process.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    With the current gridlock due to diverse and incompatible constituencies thanks to multi-culturalism, you'll obviously never get a constitutional amendment like that. But, at the same time, with a faint majority, a Democratic President can pack the Supreme Court with justices who view the Constitution and laws as advisory rather than mandatory. The administration can, for all practical purposes, nullify the Second Amendment by linking the unaccountable no-fly list with gun banning. The no-fly list will then be used in a targeted manner like the IRS investigations, to harass Tea Party members and alt-right advocates, as well as anyone the government doesn't like.
  56. What the story doesn’t say-Major Brezler warned his old colleagues that the subject/informant/asset was bad news and was abusing boys. One of the abused boys went to the barracks and committed the atrocity. So the Obama Administration is punishing a Marine for warning other Marines of this person and the potential for exactly the kind of disaster that eventually happened-

    http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/03/09/embattled-marine-wins-temporary-reprieve-fight-save-his-career/81521984/

  57. OT again, sorry, but the latest de Blasio insanity has me laughing out loud and thinking about Tom Wolfe:

    “New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio gathered government officials and celebrities Wednesday for a dramatic, live reading of the Stanford University sexual assault victim’s letter.”

  58. OT: An AfD politician in the German state parliament ridicules leftists ‘gender acceptance” proposal by giving an address opposing the Green Party’s motion and naming all Facebook’s 60 gender option choices.

    Sadly, “attack helicopter” was not also included.

  59. OT, but Chris Hayes of MSNBC and The Nation fame is coming out with a book, that looks like it’s going to be Ta Nehisi-Coats with some basic statistics

    America likes to tell itself that it inhabits a post-racial world, but nearly every empirical measure—wealth, unemployment, incarceration, school segregation—reveals that racial inequality hasn’t improved since 1968. With the clarity and originality that distinguished his prescient bestseller Twilight of the Elites (“a stunning polemic,” said Ta-Nehisi Coates), award-winning journalist Chris Hayes offers a powerful new framework in which to understand our current crisis.

    Hayes contends our country has fractured in two: the Colony and the Nation. In the Nation, we venerate the law. In the Colony, we obsess over order; fear trumps civil rights; and aggressive policing resembles occupation. How and why did Americans build a system where conditions in Ferguson and West Baltimore mirror those that sparked the American Revolution?

    Blending wide-ranging historical research with political, social, and economic analysis, A Colony in a Nation explains how a Nation founded on justice constructed the Colony—and how it threatens our democracy.

    • Replies: @Threecranes
    Why do they always assume that "America likes to tell itself that it inhabits a post-racial world…."?

    Whom are they referring to when they assume that they speak for "America"?

    And "...racial equality hasn't improved since 1968."

    Correct. And none of us expects it to given "their" current, blinkered rejection of scientific evidence. Until steps are taken that incorporate eugenic thinking, racial inequality will remain intractable.

    This isn't very difficult to grasp though it does involve appreciation and understanding of rules of evidence and statistical reasoning, both of which seem to be in short supply amongst the Chris Hayeses of the world.

    The phrase lettered above the entrance to Plato's Academy "Let no one ignorant of geometry enter here", though often taken as a prohibition is, in reality, a description. Plato is noting that those ignorant of "geometry" are simply incapable of the type of higher order reasoning needed to grasp mathematic modeling. All that transpires beyond their ken will be opaque to them, as though taking place beyond a gate through which they cannot enter. Unable to follow, they will invent magical theories replete with hasty generalizations and false equivalencies. Results are random. Frustration follows. Scapegoats are sought. Sacrifices are offered up. Religion replaces Reason.
  60. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Lots of people getting upset about a prank video comparing Radical Islam with ‘radical’ Christianity:

    WTF is Radical Christianity?

  61. Hey, who knows? Maybe NAMBLA will go down in history as being on the vanguard.

  62. @NickG
    John Master's factual books are well worth a read (he did well as a novelist with a series of books set in the far East). As well as Bugles and a Tiger, which covers his service in the Indian Army in Afghanistan. there is 'the Road Past Mandalay'.

    Masters ended up as a one star general - a brigade commander - in Burma in the tough fighting rolling back the Japs from the borders of Assam in India Eastwards out of Burma. Post WW2 Masters moved to the US.

    Masters left the British army under a cloud because he ran off with another officer’s wife.Bad form, you know. Masters was also considered peculiar because he liked women and jazz music. He retired to Arizona where he wrote his novels. When he died, he was cremated. A neighbor fly his small aircraft and spread his ashes over Arizona. The neighbor was Bill Mauldin, the Willie and Joe cartoonist.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    Masters left the British army under a cloud
     
    So after he died, he became a cloud!
  63. @anowow
    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.


    I'm giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by "serious" people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we've gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I'm not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it's gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump's comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    This may already exist. A number of families were paid off by Michael Jackson. It seems that it is acceeptable for someone to use a young boy in you are willing to give the parents lots of money. The records are sealed so we do not know if a few or many boys were used this way.

  64. @Tiny Duck
    It's always amusing to read the aha ad alt-fighters talk about sex and physical intimacy, a subject in which they have no personal experience

    Personally, I laid miles of pipe.

  65. OT, WSJ opinion piece, Orlando not the worst mass shooting.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/06/14/orlando-mass-shooting-not-deadliest-in-american-history/

    Through inexplicit definitional rules she includes East St. Louis and Tulsa black massacres and New Orleans gay nightclub bombing. And somehow elides 9/11.

    She could have just said SWM still massacre champs! Although I suspect she is already lumping Omar in as an SWM.

  66. e says:

    I wonder 1) what the ratio of men to women is among Pashtuns; 2) what the ratio of single men to married men is; 3) what the birth rate is; 4) if men with wives also prefer young boys even when they have access to their wives

    If 4 is true, are women considered so much an inferior sexual experience to young boys because of cultural norms (ei, “Any woman who would let me do that to her is dirt” or “I cannot do THAT to a wife”) or is there a parasite, toxin, germ, or other biological insult that results in brain changes.

  67. @Dave Pinsen
    Obviously, Afghanistan has been a long and pointless project for the US and NATO, but for a tiny fraction of the money spent on other stuff, the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    When I first started posting on TAC back in early 2010, I quickly made it clear that(1) I had opposed the Iraq War a year before it started when I heard GWB utter that inane phrase “Axis of Evil” in his 2002 SOU speech and (2) that we should have exited Afghanistan a year or two max after we declared war. Phil Giraldi responded to my comment by arguing that we should have exited Afghanistan as soon as we expelled Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I soon was convinced by PG’s thinking and concluded we should have exited as quickly as we had entered since we had no vital national interests there. As another poster on TAC put it, Afghanistan was a narco state before we became engaged there, it was a narco state all the time we have been engaged there and it will be a narco state long after we leave, whenever that will be. (Afghanistan, Obama’s “good war,” is now America’s longest-running war.)

    What I find ironic is that, during the Eisenhower Administration in the mid 50’s when we were competing with the Soviet Union for the “hearts and minds” of people, we spent a lot of money financing and building a massive irrigation project (modelled after our TVA) taming the Helmand River in Helmand Province in order to promote the production of pomegranites and other other edible produce. Subsequently, the Afghans concluded it did wonders for the production of poppies, which had a much greater cash value than ordinary vegetables. According to Wikipedia, ” Helmand is believed to be one of the world’s largest opium-producing regions, responsible for around 80% of the world’s total production.[4][5] This is believed to be more than the whole of Burma, which is the second largest producing nation after Afghanistan. The region also produces the following: tobacco, sugar beets, cotton, sesame, wheat, mung beans, maize, nuts, sun flowers, onions, potato, tomato, cauliflower, peanut, apricot, grape, and melon.[6]” I believe the expression that “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions” best describes our little project in Helmand Province.

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military’s propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    The bizarre thing is . . . you can buy opium poppy seeds and dried poppy heads in the US, UK etc. There is no special property, Magic Dirt if you will, in Afghanistan that makes them grow there or that its somewhere with especially lax laws on their cultivation.

    People grow and sell them legally in the US, see here:

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XPapaver+somniferum.TRS0&_nkw=Papaver+somniferum&_sacat=0

    , @ATX Hipster

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military’s propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.
     
    There was a recent incident that got a lot of news coverage: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/04/28/green-beret-who-beat-up-accused-child-rapist-can-stay-army/83679604/
  68. I’m a little skeptical. Would such a cutthroat, individualist culture be able to maintain an insurgency against the most powerful military in the world for 15 years? Doesn’t that indicate a certain ability to cooperate and a willingness to sacrifice for the greater good?

  69. OT: Trump’s Climate of Hate has crossed the pond!

  70. Rather than assume Mr. Mateen was a closeted sodomite (a narrative the gaystream media are trying to push), it makes more sense that he may have been a victim of rape as a boy, and so he annihilated 50 American sodomites as revenge against the sodomites who raped him. It’s a certainty that at least some of those 50 either did or would have raped little boys in the future, as Mr. Mateen experienced, and so he is a hero. May the peace of Allah be upon him.

    Je suis Omar Mateen.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Rather than assume Mr. Mateen was a closeted sodomite (a narrative the gaystream media are trying to push)"

    Omar Mateen had a Gay dating app on his smartphone. What kind of Heterosexual guy does that?

    Do you download Gay dating apps on your smartphone?

  71. jtgw says: • Website

    I think, Steve, you had pointed out before that one reason the Taliban enjoyed as much support as it did was because of its ruthless suppression of the Bacha Bazi custom.

    I’ve been thinking more about our foreign policy from a libertarian perspective, and I agree that our attitude to the Taliban shouldn’t have been that they must go permanently, but that they must offer some kind of satisfaction for 9/11. This could be in the form of yearly tribute for a fixed period, for example, which can be reduced by some amount for every al-Qaeda terrorist or local collaborator that they surrender and which we successfully convict according to our own legal standards. We’ve done everything wrong: we’ve tried to change the local political system, even though politics develops organically out of local culture and cannot be changed from the outside; we’ve treated all terrorist suspects as convicted criminals, regardless of our evidence against them, which totally destroys the possibility of ever obtaining public satisfaction for those attacks; and even all our attempts to do good, to “win hearts and minds”, have backfired or stagnated, as any government-led welfare programs tend to do.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    Just about the first famous use of "gay" in the modern sense is in the classic screwball comedy "Bringing Up Baby" from 1938 in which somebody asks Cary Grant why (for complicated farcical reasons involving a leopard) he's wearing Katharine Hepburn's frilly bathrobe and he exclaims with exasperation, "Because I've suddenly gone gay!"

    Your mention of “Bringing Up Baby” caused me to make a connection. Grant’s character was supposedly based on John Ford (hence the thick glasses) who was rumored to be bisexual (as was Grant himself, for that matter). Lots of fun in-jokes in that movie.

    My favorite scene:

  73. Off-topic:

    The Journal of American Greatness has shuttered its doors and eliminated all of the content. What the hell happened? Were they discovered by their bosses? I really liked their writing!

  74. “The Taliban are sending boys — beautiful boys, handsome boys — to penetrate checkpoints and kill, drug and poison policemen,”

    A boy has no name.

  75. Israel Goes Full Trump on Gaza: Massive Concrete Wall Above And Below Ground Along Entire Border

    Obviously the reality is that Trump is campaigning on a promise to go 1/50 Israel on Mexico, but that wouldn’t make a very good headline.

  76. Bacha Bazi: it’s interesting that it takes bombs and assassinations to get the western media to report on the fact that Afghan culture = pederasty.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    The thing is Steve, the people who run America care about what you think about as much as you care about Afghanistan. And by ‘you’ I mean Americans.

  78. @Steve, OT, not important but an illustration of one of your theories. The Spiegel reports on underhanded shenanigans in Hamburg–from the google translation:

    The Hamburg administrative court has decreed a halt to construction of the refugee hostel in [the very, very posh borough of] Hamburg-Blankenese. The court justified its decision by saying that the building permit was granted without environmental impact statement.

    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    the article doesn't mention all details. wealthy residents are up in arms bc authorities planned to have some trees cut down to build the hostel (or so they say--nobody believes them). as they had some preliminary success the antifa tried to cut down the trees anyway to ensure the hostel gets built...
  79. OT, sorta. The fact that women will now have to register for the Draft is definitely news, or maybe I’m too old to know what news is anymore.

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/senate-women-must-register-for-the-draft/#

  80. @theo the kraut
    @Steve, OT, not important but an illustration of one of your theories. The Spiegel reports on underhanded shenanigans in Hamburg--from the google translation:

    The Hamburg administrative court has decreed a halt to construction of the refugee hostel in [the very, very posh borough of] Hamburg-Blankenese. The court justified its decision by saying that the building permit was granted without environmental impact statement.
     

    the article doesn’t mention all details. wealthy residents are up in arms bc authorities planned to have some trees cut down to build the hostel (or so they say–nobody believes them). as they had some preliminary success the antifa tried to cut down the trees anyway to ensure the hostel gets built…

  81. Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism.

    True, but the Taliban isn’t going to get it done. Afghanistan needs secular totalitarianism. And I don’t mean the kinds of secular totalitarianism we’ve seen before. I’m talking about a total cultural break; turn the country into a literal prison for a couple generations, raise the people under the panopticon and solitary confinement, completely eradicate their “culture,” so that they don’t even remember what nasty scum their ancestors were. Yes, I’m talking about taking children from their families and raising them under a foreign bureaucracy.

    Fortunately, what they need isn’t really anyone else’s concern.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Didn't the Communists try that with the Gypsies, without success?
  82. People keep wondering what the next frontier will be after world war T is won (you know that they can’t just declare victory and go home – what’s social justice warrior without a war to fight?). I think we have our answer. Perhaps if Omar Mateen had his own bachi baza, 50 people would be alive today.

  83. There was recently the case of a Special Forces guy who was being court-martialed for “noticing” that one of our Afghan allies had a boy chained to his bed. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/soldier-who-attacked-afghan-commander-6524616.

  84. “At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all,” said Netanyahu. “I’ll be told, ‘This is what you want, to protect the villa?’ The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts.”

    ‘Course, leftist logic, if there is such a thing, dictates that the wild beasts are all Israel’s fault; they’re created by the climate the Israelis create with their “wild beast” rhetoric, talk of building walls (never mind actually building them), etc.

  85. You know, once you realize that Obama’s stepfather in Indonesia was Muslim and his nanny was transgendered, much of Obama’s apparent weirdness starts to make sense.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "You know, once you realize that Obama’s stepfather in Indonesia was Muslim and his nanny was transgendered, much of Obama’s apparent weirdness starts to make sense."

    Barack Hussein Obama is the least culturally Western president America has ever elected. Even his first name Barack is not a Western first name. At least most Asians in The U.S for example give their kids Western first names like Michelle, Matthew, Albert, Jennifer, etc.

    , @e
    And his mommy was a hippie slut.
  86. OT–never let a perfectly good crisis go to waste: “scientific”american.com:

    Calls Escalate for Lifting Blood Donor Ban on Men Who Have Sex with Men

    After the Orlando massacre some are suggesting the Food and Drug Administration reconsider its policy

    • Replies: @Forbes
    I've observed that the next step in the gay acceptance campaign (World War G)--after tolerance and celebration prove insufficient bona fides--would be participation. Lifting the donor ban resembles a one-off.
    , @Clifford Brown
    The media outrage over this ban has been histrionic. Anderson Cooper interviewed Dr. Sanjay Gupta tonight on CNN about the gay blood ban. Of course, there was no consideration as to whether gays are a high risk group or whether a change in policy would be best for society. It was simply an issue of discrimination no different than segregated water fountains.

    Amazingly, after Dr. Gupta admitted that HIV tainted blood could be screened out and that technically the ban may not be necessary, Anderson Cooper immediately (I mean immediately as if scripted) said that people who are HIV POSITIVE should also be able to donate blood so long as they represent that they are on antiretroviral therapy. This utter insanity is being discussed on national television!!! Cooper's suggestion was that blood donation should not only not discriminate against sexually active gays, but HIV Positive people as well.

    Where does this end?
  87. OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted “Britain first !”, this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning “has been suspended”, which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign’s focus on immigration is responsible.

    (‘Britain First’ is IIRC a smallish right wing party here – don’t know if there’s any connection.)

    • Replies: @frizzled
    Assassinations of sitting MPs in the UK are once-in-a-century events. Ironically, this shows why robust UK gun control is so effective. The murderer had to make the gun by hand, and he was unhinged enough that he would have stabbed her anyway, which he did. I prefer a very occasional shooting with one victim where the murderer had to go to great effort to make a gun and obtain ammunition, versus having constant mass shootings by any hateful moron who can walk into a gun store.

    OT: This is probably the most intelligent thing I've seen in a mainstream newspaper on Obama's World War T.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/06/15/transgender-law-shouldnt-be-written-by-psychiatrists/

    , @snorlax
    I know that in the direction of conspiracy theorizing lies madness, but this sort of thing makes it very tempting. I was reading a British political forum yesterday and both the Brexiteers and the Remainers agreed that the establishment would never allow Brexit, and surely they had some last-ditch contingency plan ready to deploy in the last week if it looked like Out was going to win.

    I mean, it is pretty odd how over the last 60 years, in every single Western country, the anti-immigration can't catch a single break. Not once. Not even when the polls are clearly in its favor. Probably most of that is legitimate, or as legitimate as an election result can be when influenced by a nonstop propaganda onslaught. But surely there are a few massaged results and staged scandals in there too. Probably this one was real, but who the hell knows anymore?
    , @Randal

    If, as some report, he shouted “Britain first !”, this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.
     
    That was my immediate fear, especially as the news media here were mentioning the supposed "Britain First" connection. But fortunately it appears more likely to be a mental illness issue rather than political, judging from this Telegraph report on what's known about the perp:

    Thomas Mair: Man arrested in connection with attack on Jo Cox was 'a quiet loner who kept himself to himself'

    "In 2010, the Huddersfield Daily Examiner wrote that Mr Mair had started volunteering at a local park after learning about the opportunity through the Mirfield-based Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental health problems.

    He told the newspaper at the time: "I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world. """

    Of course, there's no way of knowing what will come out once the police have had hold of his computers.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    Tommy Mair = hate filled ideologue. Omar Mateen = conflicted lone wolf. Got it?
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Breitbart says the quoted source of the "Britain first" shout now denies hearing any such thing, but that hasn't stopped the Guardian wading in. These are the same people who accused Trump of making political capital from Orlando.


    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy


    "This was no random event, and the police are investigating reports that the assailant yelled “Britain First” during the attack. This is not merely a chauvinist taunt, but the name of a far-right political party, whose candidate for City Hall turned his back in disgust on Sadiq Khan at the count, in sectarian rage at a great cosmopolitan city’s decision to make a Muslim mayor. The thuggish outfit denounced Ms Cox’s murder, as it was bound to do. But their brand of angry blame-mongering could very well serve to convince particular individuals – especially those who are already close to the edge, as it is reported Ms Cox’s murderer was – that some people are less than human, and thus fair game for attack. The rhetoric of western racism and Islamophobia is the mirror of the ideology with which Isis and al-Qaida secure their recruits and that persuades them to strap explosives to themselves, and die in order to kill. It might be especially powerful in Britain, at a time when divisive hate-mongering is seeping into the mainstream.

    We are in the midst of what risks becoming a plebiscite on immigration and immigrants. The tone is divisive and nasty. Nigel Farage on Thursday unveiled a poster of unprecedented repugnance. The backdrop was a long and thronging line of displaced people in flight. The message: “The EU has failed us all.” The headline: “Breaking point.” "
     

    Quite a few of the most-recommended comments are of the "shame on you, Guardian" type, I'm glad to say.
    , @Lot
    Wow, this may be the first assassination of a high level political figure by a white nationalist in a long, long time.

    Jo Cox, before becoming an MP, was policy director at OxFam, which advocates for open boarders of Europe to African and Syrian migrants.

    He seems to have been somewhat like Mateen, with WN views but otherwise a loner not part of any formal organization and a history of mental illness treatment.
  88. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted "Britain first !", this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning "has been suspended", which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign's focus on immigration is responsible.


    ('Britain First' is IIRC a smallish right wing party here - don't know if there's any connection.)

    Assassinations of sitting MPs in the UK are once-in-a-century events. Ironically, this shows why robust UK gun control is so effective. The murderer had to make the gun by hand, and he was unhinged enough that he would have stabbed her anyway, which he did. I prefer a very occasional shooting with one victim where the murderer had to go to great effort to make a gun and obtain ammunition, versus having constant mass shootings by any hateful moron who can walk into a gun store.

    OT: This is probably the most intelligent thing I’ve seen in a mainstream newspaper on Obama’s World War T.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/06/15/transgender-law-shouldnt-be-written-by-psychiatrists/

  89. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted "Britain first !", this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning "has been suspended", which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign's focus on immigration is responsible.


    ('Britain First' is IIRC a smallish right wing party here - don't know if there's any connection.)

    I know that in the direction of conspiracy theorizing lies madness, but this sort of thing makes it very tempting. I was reading a British political forum yesterday and both the Brexiteers and the Remainers agreed that the establishment would never allow Brexit, and surely they had some last-ditch contingency plan ready to deploy in the last week if it looked like Out was going to win.

    I mean, it is pretty odd how over the last 60 years, in every single Western country, the anti-immigration can’t catch a single break. Not once. Not even when the polls are clearly in its favor. Probably most of that is legitimate, or as legitimate as an election result can be when influenced by a nonstop propaganda onslaught. But surely there are a few massaged results and staged scandals in there too. Probably this one was real, but who the hell knows anymore?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    False flag was my first thought. Loony Brexit supporter accesses a gun and shoots a rising Labour/EU supporter MP?
  90. Tex says:
    @TGGP
    That article was about "bacha poshas", girls dressed up as boys. There's also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There's a recent film about that titled "Sworn Virgin", which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.

    There’s a recent film about that titled “Sworn Virgin”, which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called.

    Supposedly sworn virgins are women who take on a man’s role when all the men in their family have been killed in feuds. The woman is supposed to keep the feud going, and you just can’t snipe at Hatbashis or McCoyfazils wearing a dress.

    Or maybe it’s a cover for some kinky cross-dressing. Qien sabe.

  91. @Svigor

    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism.
     
    True, but the Taliban isn't going to get it done. Afghanistan needs secular totalitarianism. And I don't mean the kinds of secular totalitarianism we've seen before. I'm talking about a total cultural break; turn the country into a literal prison for a couple generations, raise the people under the panopticon and solitary confinement, completely eradicate their "culture," so that they don't even remember what nasty scum their ancestors were. Yes, I'm talking about taking children from their families and raising them under a foreign bureaucracy.

    Fortunately, what they need isn't really anyone else's concern.

    Didn’t the Communists try that with the Gypsies, without success?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    I don't think they took it that far. They stopped their peripatetic ways and made them go to school.
  92. @Marcus
    The prevailing outlook of the Muslim world seems to be "women for business, boys for pleasure" indeed. This is just an extreme version of the traditional pederasty that has been common throughout history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotadic_zone) the modern concept of homosexuality (two adult males) is anathema there. Maybe Mateen was upset he had to settle for 18 year old Puerto Ricans?

    The rest of the quote is “Women for business, boys for pleasure, and a goat for choice”. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  93. Anonymous Nephew says:
    June 16, 2016 at 5:42 pm GMT • 100 Words

    The morons for whom everything is a false flag are tiresome idiots, but if the “Britain First” thing proves true, the timing of this one is pretty convenient.

  94. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted "Britain first !", this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning "has been suspended", which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign's focus on immigration is responsible.


    ('Britain First' is IIRC a smallish right wing party here - don't know if there's any connection.)

    If, as some report, he shouted “Britain first !”, this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    That was my immediate fear, especially as the news media here were mentioning the supposed “Britain First” connection. But fortunately it appears more likely to be a mental illness issue rather than political, judging from this Telegraph report on what’s known about the perp:

    Thomas Mair: Man arrested in connection with attack on Jo Cox was ‘a quiet loner who kept himself to himself’

    In 2010, the Huddersfield Daily Examiner wrote that Mr Mair had started volunteering at a local park after learning about the opportunity through the Mirfield-based Pathways Day Centre for adults with mental health problems.

    He told the newspaper at the time: “I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world. “””

    Of course, there’s no way of knowing what will come out once the police have had hold of his computers.

  95. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted "Britain first !", this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning "has been suspended", which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign's focus on immigration is responsible.


    ('Britain First' is IIRC a smallish right wing party here - don't know if there's any connection.)

    Tommy Mair = hate filled ideologue. Omar Mateen = conflicted lone wolf. Got it?

  96. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted "Britain first !", this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning "has been suspended", which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign's focus on immigration is responsible.


    ('Britain First' is IIRC a smallish right wing party here - don't know if there's any connection.)

    Breitbart says the quoted source of the “Britain first” shout now denies hearing any such thing, but that hasn’t stopped the Guardian wading in. These are the same people who accused Trump of making political capital from Orlando.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/the-guardian-view-on-jo-cox-an-attack-on-humanity-idealism-and-democracy

    “This was no random event, and the police are investigating reports that the assailant yelled “Britain First” during the attack. This is not merely a chauvinist taunt, but the name of a far-right political party, whose candidate for City Hall turned his back in disgust on Sadiq Khan at the count, in sectarian rage at a great cosmopolitan city’s decision to make a Muslim mayor. The thuggish outfit denounced Ms Cox’s murder, as it was bound to do. But their brand of angry blame-mongering could very well serve to convince particular individuals – especially those who are already close to the edge, as it is reported Ms Cox’s murderer was – that some people are less than human, and thus fair game for attack. The rhetoric of western racism and Islamophobia is the mirror of the ideology with which Isis and al-Qaida secure their recruits and that persuades them to strap explosives to themselves, and die in order to kill. It might be especially powerful in Britain, at a time when divisive hate-mongering is seeping into the mainstream.

    We are in the midst of what risks becoming a plebiscite on immigration and immigrants. The tone is divisive and nasty. Nigel Farage on Thursday unveiled a poster of unprecedented repugnance. The backdrop was a long and thronging line of displaced people in flight. The message: “The EU has failed us all.” The headline: “Breaking point.” “

    Quite a few of the most-recommended comments are of the “shame on you, Guardian” type, I’m glad to say.

  97. @Randal

    The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule,
     
    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism. Shame Bush II couldn't just do a deal with them over bin Laden in 2001, rather than falling for bin Laden's attempt to draw the US into war.

    even Obama supported the war against Afghanistan , but you are correct. Waging war against the Taliban was not in our interests. Should have just targeted Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.
    We also should have stayed neutral in the USSR-Afghan war instead of financing the Mujahideen rebels wasting billions of our tax dollars.

  98. Lot says:
    @JsP
    Caring about Afghanistan: the wests worst idea from Alexander-current year!

    but perhaps we WONT BELIEVE this ONE WEIRD TRICK that will finally fix it...

    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here’s a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    By comparison, here’s some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "By comparison, here’s some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain"

    Dirty blonde hair is way more common than platinum blonde white hair among Southern European children.

    Platinum blonde white hair is mostly a Northern European thing.

    , @Marcus
    Here's a prominent Pashtun, looks kind of like a younger Mick Jagger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Khan
    , @Anonymous
    They aren't the lowest. Among the lowest. What's your assessment of Rifians?
    , @BB753
    Well, Omar Mateen's father has blue eyes. However, I could only see one Pashtun kid with light eyes in your pictures, while they all were much more darker-skinned than the Spanish kids.
    I guess one in ten Pashtuns being able to pass for a Southern Euro would be much closer to reality. Hell, even Anatolian Kurds, closer to Europe, are noticeably darker than ordinary Turks, not to mention Southern Europeans.
    , @Jefferson
    "Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European."

    You think 1/5 or in other words 20 percent of Pashtuns look Whiter than most Italians, Jews, Spaniards, Greeks, Bulgarians, and Portuguese? No way dude.

    There is no way it is as high as 20 percent. Not many Pushtuns would make for believable Scandinavian vikings.

  99. @Hepp
    OT, but Chris Hayes of MSNBC and The Nation fame is coming out with a book, that looks like it's going to be Ta Nehisi-Coats with some basic statistics

    America likes to tell itself that it inhabits a post-racial world, but nearly every empirical measure—wealth, unemployment, incarceration, school segregation—reveals that racial inequality hasn’t improved since 1968. With the clarity and originality that distinguished his prescient bestseller Twilight of the Elites (“a stunning polemic,” said Ta-Nehisi Coates), award-winning journalist Chris Hayes offers a powerful new framework in which to understand our current crisis.

    Hayes contends our country has fractured in two: the Colony and the Nation. In the Nation, we venerate the law. In the Colony, we obsess over order; fear trumps civil rights; and aggressive policing resembles occupation. How and why did Americans build a system where conditions in Ferguson and West Baltimore mirror those that sparked the American Revolution?

    Blending wide-ranging historical research with political, social, and economic analysis, A Colony in a Nation explains how a Nation founded on justice constructed the Colony—and how it threatens our democracy.
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Colony-Nation-Chris-Hayes-ebook/dp/B01H5HPC0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466089029&sr=8-1&keywords=A+Colony+in+a+Nation

    Why do they always assume that “America likes to tell itself that it inhabits a post-racial world….”?

    Whom are they referring to when they assume that they speak for “America”?

    And “…racial equality hasn’t improved since 1968.”

    Correct. And none of us expects it to given “their” current, blinkered rejection of scientific evidence. Until steps are taken that incorporate eugenic thinking, racial inequality will remain intractable.

    This isn’t very difficult to grasp though it does involve appreciation and understanding of rules of evidence and statistical reasoning, both of which seem to be in short supply amongst the Chris Hayeses of the world.

    The phrase lettered above the entrance to Plato’s Academy “Let no one ignorant of geometry enter here”, though often taken as a prohibition is, in reality, a description. Plato is noting that those ignorant of “geometry” are simply incapable of the type of higher order reasoning needed to grasp mathematic modeling. All that transpires beyond their ken will be opaque to them, as though taking place beyond a gate through which they cannot enter. Unable to follow, they will invent magical theories replete with hasty generalizations and false equivalencies. Results are random. Frustration follows. Scapegoats are sought. Sacrifices are offered up. Religion replaces Reason.

  100. @Randal

    The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule,
     
    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism. Shame Bush II couldn't just do a deal with them over bin Laden in 2001, rather than falling for bin Laden's attempt to draw the US into war.

    An anecdote, as to whether Afghanis were better off under the Taliban:

    Women were not allowed to work outside the home. They were not allowed to leave the house without a male escort. That meant widows and their children went hungry.

    A widow in Kabul resorted to prostitution, and made house calls escorted by her 8 y.o. son. She went to the house of a Taliban commander, a regular customer, who one day decided he preferred the boy to the mother, and raped him.

    • Replies: @Randal
    Show me a country with a government that doesn't include corrupt criminals and power abusers and I'll show you a country where the criminals and power abusers in government are good at hiding what they do.

    Life in Afghanistan is going to be no bed of roses no matter who's in charge.
  101. Fascinating:

    DOJ overrules FBI on gun sales debate, says no-fly list can be used for ban

    Attorney General Loretta Lynch overruled FBI Director James B. Comey on Thursday, saying the Obama administration does support a ban on firearms sales to those on terrorist watch lists.

    Mr. Comey last year had told Congress that the ban could end up alerting suspected terrorists that they are being investigated, and that could “blow” the cases his agents are trying to build.

    I hadn’t even considered this, but yes, trampling the 2nd Amendment rights of people on a bureaucrats’ “I hate you” list is a great early warning system for terrorists. “Hey Mohammed, do you think the feds are onto us?” “I don’t know Muhammed, I’ll go try to buy a gun and we’ll know in a jiffy.”

    It’s fascinating because their 2nd Amendment Derangement Syndrome is more powerful than their desire to fight terrorism, their belief in due process (it’s illegal to deprive citizens of their Constitutional rights without due process, even because a bureaucrat hates them and puts them on some arbitrary list), their belief in the Constitution, common sense, etc.

  102. Lot says:
    @Big Bill
    And all the Times Square/42nd St. improvement was due to the creation of Business Improvement Districts (BIDs).

    Property owners within a BID can get together and impose taxes on each other to improve the BID, such as for hiring private cops, improving lighting, etc.

    The porn theaters and poon shops could not afford the taxes imposed by their neighbor property owners so they had to shut down.

    What about creating "Residential Improvement Districts" and cleaning out the ghetto in a similar fashion?

    I think BID are great ideas. They solve the collective action problem and allow tax funds to go exclusively to serving a small area entirely for the benefit of the taxpayers.

    I would not credit them too much for cleaning up Manhattan though, the reduction in crime is really all that needed to happen. It is otherwise just about the most desirable place in the USA to live if you like city living, and most white people do. We forget about this sometimes as Americans because we so strongly associate “urban=ghetto blacks.” But if you go to small cities anywhere in Europe, you’ll see that towns of only 2 or 3 thousand people are nonetheless built up like little urban areas, with half or more of the 2 or 3 thousand people living in 3 to 4 story apartments and 2-3 floor row houses. And towns of 100,000 in Europe often look like a chunk of San Francisco or Brooklyn was cut out and plopped in the middle of a farm.

    What about creating “Residential Improvement Districts” and cleaning out the ghetto in a similar fashion?

    We have those in the form of HOAs in new developments. I know of one example where it was applied retroactively to a lower-middle class residential area that was about 60% black but with very high home ownership and surrounded by 90% black very poor areas.

    Stopping it from going to complete black ghetto ending up working. It involved closing 90% of the streets that went between the neighborhood and surrounding ghetto by erecting concrete barriers in the middle of the street, creating artificial cul de sacs on each side, and gating the remaining ones, and paying higher taxes for private security on top of the police. The initial funds for the project came from some sort of federal program.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "We have those in the form of HOAs in new developments. I know of one example where it was applied retroactively to a lower-middle class residential area that was about 60% black but with very high home ownership and surrounded by 90% black very poor areas."

    Black neighborhoods still exist in your city of San Diego?
  103. Lot says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    A female UK Labour MP, Jo Cox, has been stabbed and shot to death in (IIRC) a fairly Islamified part of West Yorkshire. First assumption was a Ramadan sacrifice, but the alleged assailant looks like a local native.

    If, as some report, he shouted "Britain first !", this may well be used as a major stick to beat the evil racists who rather liked pre-diverse England.

    All EU referendum campaigning "has been suspended", which should give plenty of opportunity to sanctify the deceased and ask if the Brexit campaign's focus on immigration is responsible.


    ('Britain First' is IIRC a smallish right wing party here - don't know if there's any connection.)

    Wow, this may be the first assassination of a high level political figure by a white nationalist in a long, long time.

    Jo Cox, before becoming an MP, was policy director at OxFam, which advocates for open boarders of Europe to African and Syrian migrants.

    He seems to have been somewhat like Mateen, with WN views but otherwise a loner not part of any formal organization and a history of mental illness treatment.

    • Replies: @MC
    He already deserves to hang, but if this assassination ends up killing the momentum for Brexit, he should be boiled in oil as well.
    , @candid_observer
    Not yet at all clear what the motive was.

    Apparently, the killer was well established to have mental health problems, and was interviewed in a paper regarding a program to help mentally ill people like himself. He mentioned that he couldn't hold down a job, and my recollection is that he was said to be living off of some kind of government disability.

    Just speculating here, I myself would expect that if he had a problem with someone representing the government, it would be related to those sorts of issues, which impact on him personally, rather than some ideological issue. On the other hand, there were apparently a great many Asians in that community, so maybe his problem was related to them.
  104. @Lot
    I think BID are great ideas. They solve the collective action problem and allow tax funds to go exclusively to serving a small area entirely for the benefit of the taxpayers.

    I would not credit them too much for cleaning up Manhattan though, the reduction in crime is really all that needed to happen. It is otherwise just about the most desirable place in the USA to live if you like city living, and most white people do. We forget about this sometimes as Americans because we so strongly associate "urban=ghetto blacks." But if you go to small cities anywhere in Europe, you'll see that towns of only 2 or 3 thousand people are nonetheless built up like little urban areas, with half or more of the 2 or 3 thousand people living in 3 to 4 story apartments and 2-3 floor row houses. And towns of 100,000 in Europe often look like a chunk of San Francisco or Brooklyn was cut out and plopped in the middle of a farm.

    What about creating “Residential Improvement Districts” and cleaning out the ghetto in a similar fashion?
     
    We have those in the form of HOAs in new developments. I know of one example where it was applied retroactively to a lower-middle class residential area that was about 60% black but with very high home ownership and surrounded by 90% black very poor areas.

    Stopping it from going to complete black ghetto ending up working. It involved closing 90% of the streets that went between the neighborhood and surrounding ghetto by erecting concrete barriers in the middle of the street, creating artificial cul de sacs on each side, and gating the remaining ones, and paying higher taxes for private security on top of the police. The initial funds for the project came from some sort of federal program.

    “We have those in the form of HOAs in new developments. I know of one example where it was applied retroactively to a lower-middle class residential area that was about 60% black but with very high home ownership and surrounded by 90% black very poor areas.”

    Black neighborhoods still exist in your city of San Diego?

  105. @Lot
    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here's a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    http://cdn.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1-790.jpg

    http://www.bestphotosite.net/photos/751092613.jpg

    By comparison, here's some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6p8UNQvuNM/VsGLA4EawQI/AAAAAAAABXA/2yReSQ3f97I/s1600/IMG-20160212-WA0011.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fseR172txwE/Vx3S3qoFj2I/AAAAAAAABrY/5pcubG5802YzEFaKzg-aJFQDuj1pnAOQgCKgB/s1600/P4220351.JPG

    “By comparison, here’s some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain”

    Dirty blonde hair is way more common than platinum blonde white hair among Southern European children.

    Platinum blonde white hair is mostly a Northern European thing.

  106. @Lot
    Wow, this may be the first assassination of a high level political figure by a white nationalist in a long, long time.

    Jo Cox, before becoming an MP, was policy director at OxFam, which advocates for open boarders of Europe to African and Syrian migrants.

    He seems to have been somewhat like Mateen, with WN views but otherwise a loner not part of any formal organization and a history of mental illness treatment.

    He already deserves to hang, but if this assassination ends up killing the momentum for Brexit, he should be boiled in oil as well.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    The killer may not have said anything nationalistic, but there's a lot to be gained politically by quickly planting a false story in the public mind. For example, Abner Louima's false claim that the police who abused him shouted, "It's Giuliani time!" The lefties loved that.

    Also the lie that Michael Brown said, "Hands up, don't shoot!"
  107. @PiltdownMan

    The media doesn’t ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on...
     
    The media doesn't ever ask anybody anything anymore, and certainly not anybody in the government.

    Not strictly true – Anderson Cooper grilled a FL statewide elected official about her shameful lack of pro-LGBT tweets. Hard hitting reporting right there.

  108. @Clifford Brown
    You know, once you realize that Obama's stepfather in Indonesia was Muslim and his nanny was transgendered, much of Obama's apparent weirdness starts to make sense.

    “You know, once you realize that Obama’s stepfather in Indonesia was Muslim and his nanny was transgendered, much of Obama’s apparent weirdness starts to make sense.”

    Barack Hussein Obama is the least culturally Western president America has ever elected. Even his first name Barack is not a Western first name. At least most Asians in The U.S for example give their kids Western first names like Michelle, Matthew, Albert, Jennifer, etc.

    • Replies: @Milo Minderbinder
    Actual names of the kids in our chess club:

    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

    Black:

    There are no black kids in our chess club
  109. Lot says:

    I agree 100% MC. Maybe there will be a point 20-30 years from now where things will get so desperate, but for now violence is extremely counter-productive.

    Britain leaving the EU could easily also lead to Scotland leaving the UK as Scotland is very left-wing and pro-EU. That would leave England with a much more solid Conservative majority and probably completely kill off the LibDems, who are most popular in Scotland and extremely open-boarders. In 10 years England could have the good immigration policy of Denmark!

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe we can get this straight:

    Boarder
    1. A person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services.
    A student who lives at school during the semester in return for payment.
    2. A person who boards a ship during or after an attack.

    Border
    1. A line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries.
    "The German border with Denmark."
    A district near a line separating two political or geographical areas.
    "A refugee camp on the border."
    2. The edge or boundary of something, or the part near it. "The northern border of their distribution area."
  110. @Lot
    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here's a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    http://cdn.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1-790.jpg

    http://www.bestphotosite.net/photos/751092613.jpg

    By comparison, here's some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6p8UNQvuNM/VsGLA4EawQI/AAAAAAAABXA/2yReSQ3f97I/s1600/IMG-20160212-WA0011.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fseR172txwE/Vx3S3qoFj2I/AAAAAAAABrY/5pcubG5802YzEFaKzg-aJFQDuj1pnAOQgCKgB/s1600/P4220351.JPG

    Here’s a prominent Pashtun, looks kind of like a younger Mick Jagger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Khan

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Imran Khan also acted like the young Mick Jagger in that he cut a swathe through the young upper-middle class gels of Worcestershire and Sussex, before marrying the daughter of James Goldsmith.
  111. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Rather than assume Mr. Mateen was a closeted sodomite (a narrative the gaystream media are trying to push), it makes more sense that he may have been a victim of rape as a boy, and so he annihilated 50 American sodomites as revenge against the sodomites who raped him. It's a certainty that at least some of those 50 either did or would have raped little boys in the future, as Mr. Mateen experienced, and so he is a hero. May the peace of Allah be upon him.

    Je suis Omar Mateen.

    “Rather than assume Mr. Mateen was a closeted sodomite (a narrative the gaystream media are trying to push)”

    Omar Mateen had a Gay dating app on his smartphone. What kind of Heterosexual guy does that?

    Do you download Gay dating apps on your smartphone?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Omar Mateen had a Gay dating app on his smartphone. What kind of Heterosexual guy does that?

     



    A homicidal one who is using technology to find homosexuals to kill. The idea of mass murder may have come later.

    It's a possibility.
  112. Lot says:
    @AndrewR
    I think you answered your own question. The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author's proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy. For all the valuable work Sailer has done, his soft spot for the Jews causes him to run interference for them far more than I personally would like to see.

    The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author’s proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy.

    The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims.* White Americans are extremely philo-semetic, and as I’ve posted in detail before, increasingly have Jewish/part-Jewish blood relatives.

    *Polls showing Latinos hold anti-semitic views are seriously flawed by orgs that have a financial incentive to overstate antisemitism. They just reflect Latinos are less PC than US whites. For example, saying you agree that “Jews are good at business” absurdly gets labeled as anti-semite in these BS polls. No, that poll is just testing common sense and self-censorship.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims."

    If you were a Left Winger, how would you spin it and blame Muslim hatred of Jews on White Christian Cisgender Conservative Republicans? Also how would you blame it on Donald Trump and the NRA specifically?

    Donald Trump letting his daughter convert to Judaism and having Jewish grandchildren causes Muslims to hate Jews and commit Jihad.

    , @The Millennial Falcon
    Must be a lot of Muslims on Unz.com then.
  113. @Randal

    The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule,
     
    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism. Shame Bush II couldn't just do a deal with them over bin Laden in 2001, rather than falling for bin Laden's attempt to draw the US into war.

    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban. They Taliban represented the Pashtuns, while the smaller Northern Alliance represented mainly Tajiks.

    US forces had bin Laden bottled up in the Tora Bora mountains, but nation-building considerations made the military command give the job of actually capturing him to the National Alliance forces, rather than relying on US special forces.

    The National Alliance forces naturally botched the job, and bin Laden remained free for years until assassinated in a high-risk operation by US special forces.

    If we weren’t enthralled by the siren call of “nation building” we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out. The Northern Alliance would be in control of most of Afghanistan, but would probably lose it to the Taliban, which would be no concern of ours. Most likely, the reinstated Taliban government would realize that to continue governing, they would need to strictly avoid the US.

    • Replies: @Randal

    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban
     
    Yes. So what?

    Going in and getting bin Laden and getting out would probably have been perfectly practicable as well.
    , @PiltdownMan

    If we weren’t enthralled by the siren call of “nation building” we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out.
     
    I think it is not at all useful when acceptance of blame for American foreign policy screwups is limited to a nebulous and collective "we."

    Yet that is most frequently the limit of our self-examination. And that ensures that the mistakes are repeated in the future.

    Who was enthralled by the siren call of "nation building" in Afghanistan?

    Rumsfeld? Cheney? Wolfowitz? Feith? President Bush?

    Did Rummy want to go ahead and have the U.S. Army interdict Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora while Wolfowitz prevailed on Cheney to overrule him?

    Who?

    Avoiding the question of "who?" is a sign of weaselly incompetence in public discussions of policy. Often, the avoidance is given phony cover and justified by the "need to move on", or "present a unified front", or "face the future together".

    It is a pernicious and dangerous habit in discussion in a free society.

    Sailer, of course, often cites and uses the far more powerful and broader Leninist class-analytic formulation of "Who? Whom?" in relation to groups of people in society. But sometimes, it suffices to look at individual players.

    , @Perplexed
    So Benazir Bhutto had it wrong when she said Bin Laden was long expired?
  114. @theo the kraut
    OT--never let a perfectly good crisis go to waste: "scientific"american.com:

    Calls Escalate for Lifting Blood Donor Ban on Men Who Have Sex with Men

    After the Orlando massacre some are suggesting the Food and Drug Administration reconsider its policy
     

    I’ve observed that the next step in the gay acceptance campaign (World War G)–after tolerance and celebration prove insufficient bona fides–would be participation. Lifting the donor ban resembles a one-off.

  115. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    Exactly. You should do a column on this. We are always presented with only two alternatives. Supposedly you either have to be a neocon, stay the course, and support fighting until the end (of an endless war) or you have to be a dove who opposes all military action while at least bordering on being anti-American.

    It may not be nice to say but in terms of real world geopolitics, the U.S. had to take vengeance after 9/11. The Taliban was never looking to get into the global jihad game. They just wanted to rule over Afghanistan (and probably at least part of Pakistan). But, the Arabs of Al-Qaeda had lots of money and weapons that were just too good to pass up. If they would have known that Al-Qaeda was going to get them dragged into a war with America, the Taliban would probably never have let Al-Qaeda in to begin with. On the other hand, once they were in over their heads, the Taliban was not going to take orders from the USA to give up Al-Qaeda. The Taliban went from having control of most of Afghanistan and well on their way from rolling up the remnants of their opposition before 9/11 to being almost utterly defeated by their American-backed enemies. The US, supporting the Taliban’s enemies with everything from Special Forces troops on horseback to high altitude precision bombing, looked invincible. The message was clear to anyone else involved in a power struggle on their home turf: cross America and be left to the tender mercies of your mortal enemies or support America and get access to previously undreamed of capabilities with which to smite your enemy.

    However, instead of just making an example of the Taliban, we decided to stay in Afghanistan however long it took …. to lose. We were trying to make Afghanistan some kind of first world liberal democracy. That would not happen if we stayed 100 years. The people we were backing were savage warlords. They’re fine for slaughtering your enemies but no good as Founding Fathers. The Taliban started off as a fanatical Islamist faction that a lot of Afghans resented because they don’t let people do fun things like have bacha bazis. After a while, the “Taliban” got to be people fed up with the U.S. trying to impose democracy (or whatever the hell we were doing). In other words, pretty much everybody in Afghanistan.

  116. @Lot

    The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author’s proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy.
     
    The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims.* White Americans are extremely philo-semetic, and as I've posted in detail before, increasingly have Jewish/part-Jewish blood relatives.

    *Polls showing Latinos hold anti-semitic views are seriously flawed by orgs that have a financial incentive to overstate antisemitism. They just reflect Latinos are less PC than US whites. For example, saying you agree that "Jews are good at business" absurdly gets labeled as anti-semite in these BS polls. No, that poll is just testing common sense and self-censorship.

    “The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims.”

    If you were a Left Winger, how would you spin it and blame Muslim hatred of Jews on White Christian Cisgender Conservative Republicans? Also how would you blame it on Donald Trump and the NRA specifically?

    Donald Trump letting his daughter convert to Judaism and having Jewish grandchildren causes Muslims to hate Jews and commit Jihad.

    • Replies: @biz

    If you were a Left Winger, how would you spin it and blame Muslim hatred of Jews on White Christian Cisgender Conservative Republicans?
     
    Oh this is already been done. Clearly you don't lurk at leftist blogs such as Daily Kos and Salon.

    The basic idea is that Muslim antisemitism is understandable because, you know, Israel and what not, and Muslims, as 'brown' people, cannot be expected to have adult moral agency. The most pro-Israel demographic in the US is white evangelical Christians, so there you go - Muslim antisemitism is the fault of them.
  117. @Lot
    Wow, this may be the first assassination of a high level political figure by a white nationalist in a long, long time.

    Jo Cox, before becoming an MP, was policy director at OxFam, which advocates for open boarders of Europe to African and Syrian migrants.

    He seems to have been somewhat like Mateen, with WN views but otherwise a loner not part of any formal organization and a history of mental illness treatment.

    Not yet at all clear what the motive was.

    Apparently, the killer was well established to have mental health problems, and was interviewed in a paper regarding a program to help mentally ill people like himself. He mentioned that he couldn’t hold down a job, and my recollection is that he was said to be living off of some kind of government disability.

    Just speculating here, I myself would expect that if he had a problem with someone representing the government, it would be related to those sorts of issues, which impact on him personally, rather than some ideological issue. On the other hand, there were apparently a great many Asians in that community, so maybe his problem was related to them.

  118. @AndrewR
    Relative to the average BLMer, Afghans are white.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    While gays and their allies span the ideological spectrum, they do seem to be firmly planted on the anti-white left. I had a gay guy ask me why I would support Trump as a bi male. This was actually the day after the Orlando massacre.

    I said

    a) Trump has shown no signs of disliking gays.

    b) Regardless, I'd still support him even if he advocated the execution of gays because I prioritize my ethnic group and my civilization infinitely over my sexuality (unlike far too many LGBT). As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy. And to be perfectly frank, voting for leftists massively increases the chance of an Islamic takeover of the West (although, due to demographic realities, that would take a lot longer in the US than it would [will?] in Europe), and I would hope it's not necessary to explain how such a takeover would be bad for gays...

    What I would like to see is BLMers getting drafted into fighting ISIS. As incentive, we could guarantee "reparations" to all survivors.

    As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy.

    The future the left has in store for everybody is rosy only in its diversitopian ideology and fluffy bunny catechisms.

    Otherwise it’s 110% mayhem for all but a few thousand globalista families.

    This is what its stupid foot soldiers don’t seem to comprehend. Everything they want, value, desire, envy, and benefit from resides in societies created by people of a fairly restricted genomic pool. Erase that genome–situationally or genetically–and what you have left is Detroit.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    But... didn't Mexicans invent the nacho? Didn't Garrett Morgan kinda sorta invent one of the first traffic lights? Didn't Ooo'ktcha in Ethiopia in 507,492 BC use the first spear? Okay, he didn't make it, he found a broken tree branch after a storm, but still..... it required at least a spark of insight to use it, right?

    So who's to say that a brown world would be Detroit. With all this innovation, surely a brown world would achieve Camden.
  119. @Bugg
    The Constitution has a mechanism to amend it. It has even been used. If the liberals feel (operative verb rather than think) there is nothing stopping them form undertaking that process.

    With the current gridlock due to diverse and incompatible constituencies thanks to multi-culturalism, you’ll obviously never get a constitutional amendment like that. But, at the same time, with a faint majority, a Democratic President can pack the Supreme Court with justices who view the Constitution and laws as advisory rather than mandatory. The administration can, for all practical purposes, nullify the Second Amendment by linking the unaccountable no-fly list with gun banning. The no-fly list will then be used in a targeted manner like the IRS investigations, to harass Tea Party members and alt-right advocates, as well as anyone the government doesn’t like.

  120. OT–a central element of the US Merchant Marine Academy’s curriculum is the ‘Sea Year,’ ie going out to sea on US-Flag merchant ships. The programme might be cancelled over sexual assault and harassment fears:

    https://gcaptain.com/usmma-canceling-sea-year-out-of-sexual-assault-and-harassment-fears

  121. Didn’t the Communists try that with the Gypsies, without success?

    No. The kind of thing I’m thinking of, there’d be no chance of failure. And I doubt it’s ever been tried.

    Not that what would emerge out the other end would be any different in terms of potential human capital, but the cultural stuff referred to here would be broken. Can’t pass on a culture you don’t know about.

  122. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    “Kill Bin Laden” written by a Delta Force commander goes into the hunt and this decision. He asked for Army Rangers to block the passes into Pakistan, and was denied by Rumsfeld. He said that during his entire career in the military this was the only time a combat request was denied.

  123. just as america and the west reach peak progressivism ,gays celebrated,adorned ,nay worshiped, progressives demand we import millions of muslims many of whom (who?) publicly kill gays in a most lurid fashion. No doubt a cosmic joke of some sort.I hope God is not laughing.

  124. @AndrewR
    I think you answered your own question. The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author's proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy. For all the valuable work Sailer has done, his soft spot for the Jews causes him to run interference for them far more than I personally would like to see.

    I don’t know if you caught Jared Taylor’s speech at the American Renaissance convention, but he said that while they undoubtedly had problems with Jewish groups [breaking down white consciousness], some of their most important supporters were Jews.

    So, the tendency to try to lump Jews all together is self-defeating.

    Having said that, you can see that 70% of US Jews supported Obama in his second election.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    I think Israel is very functional the way it is. It is a rock of stable borders, a showcase of (more-or-less) Western values, a high-tech sanctuary supplying much valuable technology, and a homeland for productive but contentious Jews who have crafted a highly functional environment for themselves and the Christians and Muslims under their protection.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Trump no doubt noticed how popular Netanyahu is in the U.S. and realized that no American politicians are providing Netanyahuism for Americans.
    , @snorlax

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.
     
    1. Israeli Jews are very different from American Jews. Polls have consistently shown them preferring Trump to Hillary (and, during the primary, Trump to the other Republicans, at least after he announced the Muslim ban). Their being forced to flee Israel presumably wouldn't improve their opinion of Muslims or Democrats.

    2. Many (though certainly not all) American Jews openly state that the reason they agitate for open borders is to make sure Jews fleeing for their lives are never turned away from America again, as in the 1930s.

    The dissolution of Israel and its Jews fleeing to the US would make that a moot point, so they might well take a more open-minded view thereafter. And again, whatever events transpired in the leadup to that eventuality wouldn't be likely to improve their opinion of Muslims or Democrats.
    , @Lurker

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.
     
    Surely the jewish population of Israel would be too little, assuming they all went to the US, to swing an election? Perhaps their political influence would be vested in something other than sheer numbers?
  125. @Polymath
    An anecdote, as to whether Afghanis were better off under the Taliban:

    Women were not allowed to work outside the home. They were not allowed to leave the house without a male escort. That meant widows and their children went hungry.

    A widow in Kabul resorted to prostitution, and made house calls escorted by her 8 y.o. son. She went to the house of a Taliban commander, a regular customer, who one day decided he preferred the boy to the mother, and raped him.

    Show me a country with a government that doesn’t include corrupt criminals and power abusers and I’ll show you a country where the criminals and power abusers in government are good at hiding what they do.

    Life in Afghanistan is going to be no bed of roses no matter who’s in charge.

  126. @RonaldB
    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban. They Taliban represented the Pashtuns, while the smaller Northern Alliance represented mainly Tajiks.

    US forces had bin Laden bottled up in the Tora Bora mountains, but nation-building considerations made the military command give the job of actually capturing him to the National Alliance forces, rather than relying on US special forces.

    The National Alliance forces naturally botched the job, and bin Laden remained free for years until assassinated in a high-risk operation by US special forces.

    If we weren't enthralled by the siren call of "nation building" we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out. The Northern Alliance would be in control of most of Afghanistan, but would probably lose it to the Taliban, which would be no concern of ours. Most likely, the reinstated Taliban government would realize that to continue governing, they would need to strictly avoid the US.

    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban

    Yes. So what?

    Going in and getting bin Laden and getting out would probably have been perfectly practicable as well.

  127. @RonaldB
    I don't know if you caught Jared Taylor's speech at the American Renaissance convention, but he said that while they undoubtedly had problems with Jewish groups [breaking down white consciousness], some of their most important supporters were Jews.

    So, the tendency to try to lump Jews all together is self-defeating.

    Having said that, you can see that 70% of US Jews supported Obama in his second election.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    I think Israel is very functional the way it is. It is a rock of stable borders, a showcase of (more-or-less) Western values, a high-tech sanctuary supplying much valuable technology, and a homeland for productive but contentious Jews who have crafted a highly functional environment for themselves and the Christians and Muslims under their protection.

    Trump no doubt noticed how popular Netanyahu is in the U.S. and realized that no American politicians are providing Netanyahuism for Americans.

  128. @guest
    What the heck is a "honey trap?" Isn't the term "honey pot?" The latter has the advantage of actually existing, thereby serving as a more vivid metaphor. Someone send Anuj Chopra or whoever wrote that headline a copy of Orwell's Politics and the English Language.
  129. This kind of thing in the Guardian is concerning:

    A name matching that of the alleged suspect also appears on an extremist website. It describes him as “one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of” a certain extremist publication which is alleged to be linked to white supremacy.

    Of course, it is the Guardian and so not remotely a reliable source for this kind of thing, but it’s entirely possible that the guy was someone on the nationalist right (as well as evidently having longstanding mental health issues). No doubt we’ll see which way the spin is going over the next few days.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "but it’s entirely possible that the guy was someone on the nationalist right"

    Are you implying Omar Mateen was a White nationalist? He is not even White to begin with so that is out of the question. Also before he went on his terrorist killing spree, Omar Mateen said he did not have any problems with Black people because they have suffered enough. That's not exactly White nationalist language that one would find on sites like Stormfront in regards to Blacks.
  130. OT–fwiw:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

    […] As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is “unaware” that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn’t report on it, it’s also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly.

    Over a recent 20 year period, the number of new guns in the US that were either manufactured in the US or imported into the US increased 141 percent from 6.6 million new guns in 1994 to 16 million in 2013. That means a gross total of 132 million new guns were added into the US population over that time period.

  131. [Muslim scumbag] had a Gay dating app on his smartphone. What kind of Heterosexual guy does that?

    And the many homosexuals who have come forward to say that the Muslim scumbag was himself a homosexual are all lying; the common homosexual fantasy of straight men being closeted homosexuals trumps the obvious disinclination to label a mass murderer of homosexuals as a homosexual.

  132. @Jefferson
    Black Lies Matter issues a statement saying that Omar Mateen was not a Muslim terrorist, he was a White supremacist because he was born in The United States. Apparently being born on Magic Dirt turns Afghans into Europeans.
    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Black-Lives-Matter-Issues-Powerful-Statement-After-Orlando-20160615-0035.html

    They also blame patriarchy as a White supremacist invention. Apparently patriarchy does not exist in Muslim countries where men can stone women to death and have as many wives at the same time as they want.

    Black Lies Matter also hijacks a vigil in Orlando to go on a rant about how White people are the most evil creatures on the planet.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    Black Lies Matter are obsessed with White people. It's a sickness. I wonder what percentage of Black Lies Matter suffer from mental illness?

    What Black Lies Matter has in common with ISIS is that they both hate White Western culture.

    Jefferson…..Wow, thank you for the link. The BLM wants the spotlight and the megaphone….fuck Gays, Fuck Latinos and most of all fuck Whitey. They were never about inclusion, including blacks who don’t follow their line. Years ago at an Affirmative Action meeting I had the temerity to point out that a few building trade unions had a sizeable representation of Native American members. A black community activist, who went on to become a ranking member of the NY State Assembly told me, ” Fuck the Indians, we’re talking about jobs for blacks.” Some things never change. The coalition of the fringes comes unglued when the topic strays from self interest.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    And that's why it's always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.
  133. @Randal
    This kind of thing in the Guardian is concerning:

    A name matching that of the alleged suspect also appears on an extremist website. It describes him as “one of the earliest subscribers and supporters of” a certain extremist publication which is alleged to be linked to white supremacy.

    Of course, it is the Guardian and so not remotely a reliable source for this kind of thing, but it's entirely possible that the guy was someone on the nationalist right (as well as evidently having longstanding mental health issues). No doubt we'll see which way the spin is going over the next few days.

    “but it’s entirely possible that the guy was someone on the nationalist right”

    Are you implying Omar Mateen was a White nationalist? He is not even White to begin with so that is out of the question. Also before he went on his terrorist killing spree, Omar Mateen said he did not have any problems with Black people because they have suffered enough. That’s not exactly White nationalist language that one would find on sites like Stormfront in regards to Blacks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    He's talking about the killer in Britain.
    , @Randal
    Yes, as Steve pointed put I was continuing the off-topic conversation above about the murdered British MP earlier this afternoon. I should have made that clear, rather than assuming, sorry for the confusion, Jefferson.
  134. @Lot
    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here's a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    http://cdn.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1-790.jpg

    http://www.bestphotosite.net/photos/751092613.jpg

    By comparison, here's some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6p8UNQvuNM/VsGLA4EawQI/AAAAAAAABXA/2yReSQ3f97I/s1600/IMG-20160212-WA0011.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fseR172txwE/Vx3S3qoFj2I/AAAAAAAABrY/5pcubG5802YzEFaKzg-aJFQDuj1pnAOQgCKgB/s1600/P4220351.JPG

    They aren’t the lowest. Among the lowest. What’s your assessment of Rifians?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The berbers have way more middle eastern ancestry than the central asian peoples, so I don't really know if they count. Central Asia and North India were the main areas hit by the r-1a expansion, while north africa seems to have only moderate r-1b ancestry from the early cow farmers along with more admixture from relatively light skinned general mediterrean/fertilecresent/roman ancestry.
  135. @Marie
    Oh yeah, and Steve - why nothing yet on the 'abolish the Second Amendment' SJW rant by (((David Cohen))) (sorry, couldn't resist the parentheses, too fitting) over at the Jackie Coakley fanzine?

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-right-bear-arms-20160613

    Marie, Amazing that David Cohen wants to abolish the Second Amendment, but if Trump calls for abolishing an amendment, he is a lunatic.

  136. @Jefferson
    "but it’s entirely possible that the guy was someone on the nationalist right"

    Are you implying Omar Mateen was a White nationalist? He is not even White to begin with so that is out of the question. Also before he went on his terrorist killing spree, Omar Mateen said he did not have any problems with Black people because they have suffered enough. That's not exactly White nationalist language that one would find on sites like Stormfront in regards to Blacks.

    He’s talking about the killer in Britain.

    • Replies: @Randal
    Hope you don't mind some of us Brits piggybacking off-topic on your thread here. It's better to discuss these things here than on British social media at the moment, imo.

    There's a particularly disgraceful piece up at the Spectator by Alex Massie, in which he shamelessly tries to exploit this murder to get at Farage and the Leave campaign, with some absurdly hysterical criticism about a supposedly awful anti-immigration poster that is in fact perfectly reasonable. Only in the eyes of those fanatically determined to suppress any opposition to mass immigration could it be thought to be as unacceptable as Massie pretends it is, with all his hyperventilating outrage.

    It really is a shockingly disgraceful piece, from a man who claims to be on the political right (it's only what you'd expect from much of the left, which routinely exaggerates and hyperventilates about such perfectly reasonable positions adopted by the traditionalist and nationalist right):

    A Day of Infamy

    I'm actually quite genuinely shocked that he and the Spectator have published such a piece. The assumption has to be that he and the Spectator editors and management have allowed themselves to become overwrought by the event today, which is a disgraceful loss of self discipline in itself.
  137. @Buffalo Joe
    Jefferson.....Wow, thank you for the link. The BLM wants the spotlight and the megaphone....fuck Gays, Fuck Latinos and most of all fuck Whitey. They were never about inclusion, including blacks who don't follow their line. Years ago at an Affirmative Action meeting I had the temerity to point out that a few building trade unions had a sizeable representation of Native American members. A black community activist, who went on to become a ranking member of the NY State Assembly told me, " Fuck the Indians, we're talking about jobs for blacks." Some things never change. The coalition of the fringes comes unglued when the topic strays from self interest.

    And that’s why it’s always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I used to define a "coalition of the fringes" 35 years ago as a "negative coalition", that is, not a group united by a common interest or common goals, but a group united by (better: held together by) a hatred of a common enemy. Of course, hatred of a common enemy implies two things: a "hatred" that has to be constantly stoked, and a "common enemy" who always has to be touted as an imminent threat.

    But when speaking of minorities in the US, "coalition of the fringes" works just fine.
    , @Cwhatfuture

    And that’s why it’s always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.
     
    And it is Trump's job to make them hate each other and not him. Talking about Curiel taking away Trump's rights did not do that. Talking about Mexican illegals taking away black jobs will do that. Talking about Muslim Afghans taking away gay lives will do that. I hope Trump learned that lesson. He can't afford any more bad weeks.
    , @Jefferson
    "And that’s why it’s always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other."

    Left Wingers on social media are already saying that the LGBTQ Hispanic and the Muslim community should not be at war with each other, because that is what the White man wants. The White man is all about divide and conquer.

    The White man has been oppressing Muslims since the Crusades and the White man has also been oppressing the LGBTQ community since Stonewall.
  138. @Jefferson
    "but it’s entirely possible that the guy was someone on the nationalist right"

    Are you implying Omar Mateen was a White nationalist? He is not even White to begin with so that is out of the question. Also before he went on his terrorist killing spree, Omar Mateen said he did not have any problems with Black people because they have suffered enough. That's not exactly White nationalist language that one would find on sites like Stormfront in regards to Blacks.

    Yes, as Steve pointed put I was continuing the off-topic conversation above about the murdered British MP earlier this afternoon. I should have made that clear, rather than assuming, sorry for the confusion, Jefferson.

  139. More of a chocolate fondue pot, no?

  140. I don’t know if you caught Jared Taylor’s speech at the American Renaissance convention, but he said that while they undoubtedly had problems with Jewish groups [breaking down white consciousness], some of their most important supporters were Jews.

    So, the tendency to try to lump Jews all together is self-defeating.

    There really isn’t much of a tendency to try to lump Jews together, except for the extreme kook fringe. I think the attempt to pretend there is is self-defeating. You’ve got some hard core WN types here, and pretty much none of them try to “lump all Jews together.” I do notice that all lot of the good done by the important supporters you refer to is mitigated by a lot of nonsense they propagate on Jews. I’ve noticed that “Amren Jews” tend to revert to boilerplate leftists when it comes time to criticize their group.

  141. @TheJester
    I've run across numerous comments by American homosexuals over the years that an honest homosexual will admit there is an enduring element of pedophilia in homosexual culture. The boys, valued as much in America as they are in Afghanistan, are called "twinks" ... having the adolescent look and feel of a female but the genitals of a male. Instead, the gay community likes to characterize itself à la Playboy as being "just like the guy next door."

    From Wikipedia: "Twink is a gay slang term used to describe young men in their late teens to early twenties. Usage of the term varies, but traits attributed to twinks can include attractiveness, having little or no body or facial hair, a slim to average build, or appearing to be younger than their chronological age. The term dates back to at least 1963, but may be derived from the older British term twank."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang)

    The phrase I heard used , around 1970, was “Twinkie,” and it was in reference to boys in their mid- teens…15-16, or thereabouts.

  142. @Steve Sailer
    He's talking about the killer in Britain.

    Hope you don’t mind some of us Brits piggybacking off-topic on your thread here. It’s better to discuss these things here than on British social media at the moment, imo.

    There’s a particularly disgraceful piece up at the Spectator by Alex Massie, in which he shamelessly tries to exploit this murder to get at Farage and the Leave campaign, with some absurdly hysterical criticism about a supposedly awful anti-immigration poster that is in fact perfectly reasonable. Only in the eyes of those fanatically determined to suppress any opposition to mass immigration could it be thought to be as unacceptable as Massie pretends it is, with all his hyperventilating outrage.

    It really is a shockingly disgraceful piece, from a man who claims to be on the political right (it’s only what you’d expect from much of the left, which routinely exaggerates and hyperventilates about such perfectly reasonable positions adopted by the traditionalist and nationalist right):

    A Day of Infamy

    I’m actually quite genuinely shocked that he and the Spectator have published such a piece. The assumption has to be that he and the Spectator editors and management have allowed themselves to become overwrought by the event today, which is a disgraceful loss of self discipline in itself.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Thank you for sharing this. The repetitiveness and emotional appeals of the column suggest it was written hurriedly. I agree, it's shoddy work.

    Naturally, here in the states where such shootings are much more common, we are used to the idea of someone attempting to leverage a tragedy for political aims, witness how the Orlando shooter was basically turned into Gavrilo Prinzip by one of the columnists at the New York Times.

    The fact that your shooting is happening just days before your vote is however much more significant, because it is possible that it could galvanize a large "martyr vote." So then there is an incentive to make sure the media determines in advance as to which side she supported.

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman. If later information -- it's really shocking to write a column like this with no information -- confirms that it was politically motivated by Brexit then that should be responsibly stated.

    On the other hand, to vote against Brexit because this attractive young mother would have done so herself, is not rational. But it is likely that many will vote that way, just the same.
    , @Lurker
    And funnily enough, no comments allowed on the article.
  143. @Jefferson
    "You know, once you realize that Obama’s stepfather in Indonesia was Muslim and his nanny was transgendered, much of Obama’s apparent weirdness starts to make sense."

    Barack Hussein Obama is the least culturally Western president America has ever elected. Even his first name Barack is not a Western first name. At least most Asians in The U.S for example give their kids Western first names like Michelle, Matthew, Albert, Jennifer, etc.

    Actual names of the kids in our chess club:

    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

    Black:

    There are no black kids in our chess club

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Milo, So it must be the fault of the five white kids that there are no blacks in your chess club.....or girl scout troop.
    , @PiltdownMan



    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

     
    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.

    The actual given names (such as on a US passport) are still East Asian. For example, a "Harry" Lee is likely a Lee Kuan Yew. The Noah in your chess club could well be Seng Hoo. And so on.

    I'm told that South Asian (i.e. Indian Hindu) names these days are almost entirely secular Sanskrit adjectives denoting personal qualities such as bravery, constancy etc., just as Linda or Felicity are among Christian names.

    Apparently, this is recent. In previous generations, Hindu children were named after various gods. Many Hindu immigrants in America seem to pick dual purpose names for their first-generation immigrant children such as Neel (sounds like Neil) or Raj (sounds like short for Roger). But they don't pick mainstream Christian names such as Michael or John or Luke.
  144. @Steve Sailer
    And that's why it's always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.

    I used to define a “coalition of the fringes” 35 years ago as a “negative coalition”, that is, not a group united by a common interest or common goals, but a group united by (better: held together by) a hatred of a common enemy. Of course, hatred of a common enemy implies two things: a “hatred” that has to be constantly stoked, and a “common enemy” who always has to be touted as an imminent threat.

    But when speaking of minorities in the US, “coalition of the fringes” works just fine.

  145. @anowow
    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.


    I'm giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by "serious" people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we've gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I'm not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it's gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump's comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    I think that you’re pretty optimistic in that 15 years everything isn’t going to look like the climax of a Fallout game.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Naah. I give that 50. It's going to be more of a slow Brazilianization with lots of really bad, diverse areas and a few whitopias (with Asians and Indians added) that still look OK but decrease in size over time.
  146. @Randal
    Hope you don't mind some of us Brits piggybacking off-topic on your thread here. It's better to discuss these things here than on British social media at the moment, imo.

    There's a particularly disgraceful piece up at the Spectator by Alex Massie, in which he shamelessly tries to exploit this murder to get at Farage and the Leave campaign, with some absurdly hysterical criticism about a supposedly awful anti-immigration poster that is in fact perfectly reasonable. Only in the eyes of those fanatically determined to suppress any opposition to mass immigration could it be thought to be as unacceptable as Massie pretends it is, with all his hyperventilating outrage.

    It really is a shockingly disgraceful piece, from a man who claims to be on the political right (it's only what you'd expect from much of the left, which routinely exaggerates and hyperventilates about such perfectly reasonable positions adopted by the traditionalist and nationalist right):

    A Day of Infamy

    I'm actually quite genuinely shocked that he and the Spectator have published such a piece. The assumption has to be that he and the Spectator editors and management have allowed themselves to become overwrought by the event today, which is a disgraceful loss of self discipline in itself.

    Thank you for sharing this. The repetitiveness and emotional appeals of the column suggest it was written hurriedly. I agree, it’s shoddy work.

    Naturally, here in the states where such shootings are much more common, we are used to the idea of someone attempting to leverage a tragedy for political aims, witness how the Orlando shooter was basically turned into Gavrilo Prinzip by one of the columnists at the New York Times.

    The fact that your shooting is happening just days before your vote is however much more significant, because it is possible that it could galvanize a large “martyr vote.” So then there is an incentive to make sure the media determines in advance as to which side she supported.

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman. If later information — it’s really shocking to write a column like this with no information — confirms that it was politically motivated by Brexit then that should be responsibly stated.

    On the other hand, to vote against Brexit because this attractive young mother would have done so herself, is not rational. But it is likely that many will vote that way, just the same.

    • Replies: @Randal
    It's early to say how much effect this will have on the referendum itself. A lot depends on how it's spun over the next few days, for sure.

    I wasn't just shocked by the shamelessly exploitative nature of Massie's piece, in truth, but also that anybody supposedly on the political right and not a politician could actually take seriously the hysterical left's insistence that the poster in question is somehow unacceptable. Here's the kind of thing the left have been saying, which is disgraceful in itself but only par for the course from them (you can see the poster yourself at the link, which goes to a Guardian article from a day or two ago):

    Nigel Farage's anti-migrant poster reported to police

    It really makes you realise just how far the left have pushed the "Overton Window", and the scale of the task traditionalists face.
    , @Randal

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman.
     
    The man charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox has appeared in court.

    Thomas Mair gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court.


    Imo, this is likely to be something of a "Reichstag Fire" moment for Britain. The pc enforcers, identity lobbyists and globalists have been moving towards criminalising free speech for some time now, and this will likely give them a pretext for enabling a genuine crackdown.

    Time to buckle up, I think.
  147. @Steve Sailer
    And that's why it's always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.

    And that’s why it’s always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.

    And it is Trump’s job to make them hate each other and not him. Talking about Curiel taking away Trump’s rights did not do that. Talking about Mexican illegals taking away black jobs will do that. Talking about Muslim Afghans taking away gay lives will do that. I hope Trump learned that lesson. He can’t afford any more bad weeks.

  148. @SPMoore8
    Thank you for sharing this. The repetitiveness and emotional appeals of the column suggest it was written hurriedly. I agree, it's shoddy work.

    Naturally, here in the states where such shootings are much more common, we are used to the idea of someone attempting to leverage a tragedy for political aims, witness how the Orlando shooter was basically turned into Gavrilo Prinzip by one of the columnists at the New York Times.

    The fact that your shooting is happening just days before your vote is however much more significant, because it is possible that it could galvanize a large "martyr vote." So then there is an incentive to make sure the media determines in advance as to which side she supported.

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman. If later information -- it's really shocking to write a column like this with no information -- confirms that it was politically motivated by Brexit then that should be responsibly stated.

    On the other hand, to vote against Brexit because this attractive young mother would have done so herself, is not rational. But it is likely that many will vote that way, just the same.

    It’s early to say how much effect this will have on the referendum itself. A lot depends on how it’s spun over the next few days, for sure.

    I wasn’t just shocked by the shamelessly exploitative nature of Massie’s piece, in truth, but also that anybody supposedly on the political right and not a politician could actually take seriously the hysterical left’s insistence that the poster in question is somehow unacceptable. Here’s the kind of thing the left have been saying, which is disgraceful in itself but only par for the course from them (you can see the poster yourself at the link, which goes to a Guardian article from a day or two ago):

    Nigel Farage’s anti-migrant poster reported to police

    It really makes you realise just how far the left have pushed the “Overton Window”, and the scale of the task traditionalists face.

  149. @Milo Minderbinder
    Actual names of the kids in our chess club:

    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

    Black:

    There are no black kids in our chess club

    Milo, So it must be the fault of the five white kids that there are no blacks in your chess club…..or girl scout troop.

  150. One beneficial aspect of you disseminating this article is that you have silenced our Islamic Conspiracy Theorist Rehmat. Keep up the good work, Mr S.

  151. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Randal

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows?
     
    How far behind Canada is the US on the slippery slope nowadays?

    Sex acts with pets is OK with the Canadian Supreme Court… as long as it doesn’t involve penetration

    TMFI dude!

  152. @flyingtiger
    Masters left the British army under a cloud because he ran off with another officer's wife.Bad form, you know. Masters was also considered peculiar because he liked women and jazz music. He retired to Arizona where he wrote his novels. When he died, he was cremated. A neighbor fly his small aircraft and spread his ashes over Arizona. The neighbor was Bill Mauldin, the Willie and Joe cartoonist.

    Masters left the British army under a cloud

    So after he died, he became a cloud!

  153. @tbraton
    When I first started posting on TAC back in early 2010, I quickly made it clear that(1) I had opposed the Iraq War a year before it started when I heard GWB utter that inane phrase "Axis of Evil" in his 2002 SOU speech and (2) that we should have exited Afghanistan a year or two max after we declared war. Phil Giraldi responded to my comment by arguing that we should have exited Afghanistan as soon as we expelled Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I soon was convinced by PG's thinking and concluded we should have exited as quickly as we had entered since we had no vital national interests there. As another poster on TAC put it, Afghanistan was a narco state before we became engaged there, it was a narco state all the time we have been engaged there and it will be a narco state long after we leave, whenever that will be. (Afghanistan, Obama's "good war," is now America's longest-running war.)

    What I find ironic is that, during the Eisenhower Administration in the mid 50's when we were competing with the Soviet Union for the "hearts and minds" of people, we spent a lot of money financing and building a massive irrigation project (modelled after our TVA) taming the Helmand River in Helmand Province in order to promote the production of pomegranites and other other edible produce. Subsequently, the Afghans concluded it did wonders for the production of poppies, which had a much greater cash value than ordinary vegetables. According to Wikipedia, " Helmand is believed to be one of the world's largest opium-producing regions, responsible for around 80% of the world's total production.[4][5] This is believed to be more than the whole of Burma, which is the second largest producing nation after Afghanistan. The region also produces the following: tobacco, sugar beets, cotton, sesame, wheat, mung beans, maize, nuts, sun flowers, onions, potato, tomato, cauliflower, peanut, apricot, grape, and melon.[6]" I believe the expression that "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" best describes our little project in Helmand Province.

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military's propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.

    The bizarre thing is . . . you can buy opium poppy seeds and dried poppy heads in the US, UK etc. There is no special property, Magic Dirt if you will, in Afghanistan that makes them grow there or that its somewhere with especially lax laws on their cultivation.

    People grow and sell them legally in the US, see here:

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XPapaver+somniferum.TRS0&_nkw=Papaver+somniferum&_sacat=0

    • Replies: @Lot

    you can buy opium poppy seeds and dried poppy heads in the US, UK etc.
     
    The poppy seeds you get on your bagel or buy at the supermarket are exact same species used make opium and then heroin, Papaver somniferum. So are most of the poppy flowers sold in northern US garden stores.

    The state flower of California, the California poppy, is a different genus and species however, and better adapted to our sunny climate.

    In theory, if you wanted to get into the opiate business, you could just buy a pound of poppy seeds from the grocery store for $25 and plant them. I think the reason nobody does this in the USA is that it is a laborious process to extract the resin from the plant, but Afghan and Laotian labor is extremely cheap.
  154. Notice:
    a. our government tells US Solidiers to look the other way when they see this behavior. because it’s ‘part of their culture’
    b. our government discourages christian missionaries
    c. our government pushes feminism and gay rights afghanistan (apparently this doesn’t interfere with their culture.

    I seriously think given the widespread cases of homosexual pederasty in hollywood and high levels of government (see the UK) our elite want this behavior normalized.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Trumpenproleteriat

    b. our government discourages christian missionaries
     
    They hardly need discouraging from our government. Its vassals in Kabul have a death penalty for apostasy on the books.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_(convert)
  155. @Richard of Melbourne
    Am I the only one to read this and think, "Uruzgan province seems like the ideal place to test the neutron bomb"?

    Nope.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Nope.
     
    The non-selectivity too much for you to countenance? Even in the face of the remarkable termination rate for the paedophiliacs? Can you elaborate?
  156. @Jefferson
    Since a disproportionate number of Afghan men are Gay pedophiles, a lot of them would have been right at home on 42nd Street in New York City in the 1970s and 1980s.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560664/A-time-capsule-bad-old-days-Shocking-photo-series-captures-underage-prostitutes-Times-Square-late-1970s.html

    San Francisco's Tenderloin is the closest thing that resembles NYC's 42nd Street from 30 to 40 years ago, before Rudy Guiliani cleaned it up.

    Thank you Jefferson. All the liquor and therapy in the world aren’t going to let me unsee that.

  157. @Steve Sailer
    And that's why it's always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.

    “And that’s why it’s always crucial to hate the straight white man at all times, or otherwise the Muslims and the gays and all the other components of the Coalition of the Fringes will be hating each other.”

    Left Wingers on social media are already saying that the LGBTQ Hispanic and the Muslim community should not be at war with each other, because that is what the White man wants. The White man is all about divide and conquer.

    The White man has been oppressing Muslims since the Crusades and the White man has also been oppressing the LGBTQ community since Stonewall.

  158. @Milo Minderbinder
    Actual names of the kids in our chess club:

    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

    Black:

    There are no black kids in our chess club

    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.

    The actual given names (such as on a US passport) are still East Asian. For example, a “Harry” Lee is likely a Lee Kuan Yew. The Noah in your chess club could well be Seng Hoo. And so on.

    I’m told that South Asian (i.e. Indian Hindu) names these days are almost entirely secular Sanskrit adjectives denoting personal qualities such as bravery, constancy etc., just as Linda or Felicity are among Christian names.

    Apparently, this is recent. In previous generations, Hindu children were named after various gods. Many Hindu immigrants in America seem to pick dual purpose names for their first-generation immigrant children such as Neel (sounds like Neil) or Raj (sounds like short for Roger). But they don’t pick mainstream Christian names such as Michael or John or Luke.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "But they don’t pick mainstream Christian names such as Michael or John or Luke"

    Neither do Arab Muslims in White Western countries. That is why they are all named Ahmed, Achmed, Omar, Muhammad, Mohammad, Habib, Davari, Saddam, Obama, Osama, etc even if they are born in The U.S, Germany, France, Sweden, Belgium or England for example.

    The Arab Christians who immigrated to Brazil all assimilated and gave their children Portuguese first names like Joao and Marcelo for example.

    That is why in Brazil you can't easily identify if someone is of Middle Eastern descent just going on first names alone, because they all have Iberian Conquistador first names. You are just going to have to go on phenotype or last names.

    , @Twinkie

    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.
     
    First of all, the Chinese, although a plurality, only account for about 20% of the Asian population in the U.S.

    Second, with Westernized *overseas* Chinese (e.g. Singaporeans or Taiwanese), the use of English nickname along with their actual Chinese name is common, especially if they operate in an international environment. But in the United States, many East Asian parents do give their children legal English given names. That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).

    Finally, among the major immigrant groups, Indians display absolutely the lowest rate of cultural assimilation per the long-running Manhattan Institute study of immigrants. So it's no surprise that so few of them give their children English names.
  159. @Randal
    Hope you don't mind some of us Brits piggybacking off-topic on your thread here. It's better to discuss these things here than on British social media at the moment, imo.

    There's a particularly disgraceful piece up at the Spectator by Alex Massie, in which he shamelessly tries to exploit this murder to get at Farage and the Leave campaign, with some absurdly hysterical criticism about a supposedly awful anti-immigration poster that is in fact perfectly reasonable. Only in the eyes of those fanatically determined to suppress any opposition to mass immigration could it be thought to be as unacceptable as Massie pretends it is, with all his hyperventilating outrage.

    It really is a shockingly disgraceful piece, from a man who claims to be on the political right (it's only what you'd expect from much of the left, which routinely exaggerates and hyperventilates about such perfectly reasonable positions adopted by the traditionalist and nationalist right):

    A Day of Infamy

    I'm actually quite genuinely shocked that he and the Spectator have published such a piece. The assumption has to be that he and the Spectator editors and management have allowed themselves to become overwrought by the event today, which is a disgraceful loss of self discipline in itself.

    And funnily enough, no comments allowed on the article.

  160. @RonaldB
    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban. They Taliban represented the Pashtuns, while the smaller Northern Alliance represented mainly Tajiks.

    US forces had bin Laden bottled up in the Tora Bora mountains, but nation-building considerations made the military command give the job of actually capturing him to the National Alliance forces, rather than relying on US special forces.

    The National Alliance forces naturally botched the job, and bin Laden remained free for years until assassinated in a high-risk operation by US special forces.

    If we weren't enthralled by the siren call of "nation building" we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out. The Northern Alliance would be in control of most of Afghanistan, but would probably lose it to the Taliban, which would be no concern of ours. Most likely, the reinstated Taliban government would realize that to continue governing, they would need to strictly avoid the US.

    If we weren’t enthralled by the siren call of “nation building” we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out.

    I think it is not at all useful when acceptance of blame for American foreign policy screwups is limited to a nebulous and collective “we.”

    Yet that is most frequently the limit of our self-examination. And that ensures that the mistakes are repeated in the future.

    Who was enthralled by the siren call of “nation building” in Afghanistan?

    Rumsfeld? Cheney? Wolfowitz? Feith? President Bush?

    Did Rummy want to go ahead and have the U.S. Army interdict Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora while Wolfowitz prevailed on Cheney to overrule him?

    Who?

    Avoiding the question of “who?” is a sign of weaselly incompetence in public discussions of policy. Often, the avoidance is given phony cover and justified by the “need to move on”, or “present a unified front”, or “face the future together”.

    It is a pernicious and dangerous habit in discussion in a free society.

    Sailer, of course, often cites and uses the far more powerful and broader Leninist class-analytic formulation of “Who? Whom?” in relation to groups of people in society. But sometimes, it suffices to look at individual players.

  161. @AnotherDad
    Nope.

    Nope.

    The non-selectivity too much for you to countenance? Even in the face of the remarkable termination rate for the paedophiliacs? Can you elaborate?

  162. @Clifford Brown
    You know, once you realize that Obama's stepfather in Indonesia was Muslim and his nanny was transgendered, much of Obama's apparent weirdness starts to make sense.

    And his mommy was a hippie slut.

  163. @PiltdownMan



    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

     
    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.

    The actual given names (such as on a US passport) are still East Asian. For example, a "Harry" Lee is likely a Lee Kuan Yew. The Noah in your chess club could well be Seng Hoo. And so on.

    I'm told that South Asian (i.e. Indian Hindu) names these days are almost entirely secular Sanskrit adjectives denoting personal qualities such as bravery, constancy etc., just as Linda or Felicity are among Christian names.

    Apparently, this is recent. In previous generations, Hindu children were named after various gods. Many Hindu immigrants in America seem to pick dual purpose names for their first-generation immigrant children such as Neel (sounds like Neil) or Raj (sounds like short for Roger). But they don't pick mainstream Christian names such as Michael or John or Luke.

    “But they don’t pick mainstream Christian names such as Michael or John or Luke”

    Neither do Arab Muslims in White Western countries. That is why they are all named Ahmed, Achmed, Omar, Muhammad, Mohammad, Habib, Davari, Saddam, Obama, Osama, etc even if they are born in The U.S, Germany, France, Sweden, Belgium or England for example.

    The Arab Christians who immigrated to Brazil all assimilated and gave their children Portuguese first names like Joao and Marcelo for example.

    That is why in Brazil you can’t easily identify if someone is of Middle Eastern descent just going on first names alone, because they all have Iberian Conquistador first names. You are just going to have to go on phenotype or last names.

  164. @Randal

    The Taliban, who banned bacha bazi during their 1996-2001 rule,
     
    Afghanistan was clearly better off in many ways under the Taliban. Some countries and cultures clearly need a ruthless authoritarianism. Shame Bush II couldn't just do a deal with them over bin Laden in 2001, rather than falling for bin Laden's attempt to draw the US into war.

    As much as I hate Communism, it’s obvious to me that instead of opposing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, we should have called Brezhnev and said “How can we help you?”

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  165. The situation with these Afghans and their catamites is an interesting illustration of how their civilization is still living in the mental atmosphere of the later Roman emperors.

    “Elagabalus took the throne at the ripe old age of 14, and immediately indulged his most sordid, depraved fantasies and desires. He was a man, yes, but wanted dearly to be a woman, and offered gargantuan sums of money to the physician who could turn him into one for real.

    Until then, he enjoyed cross-dressing, and whored himself out to common men in whorehouses throughout Rome, wearing female disguises and facial makeup. He even solicited men in the Imperial Palace, standing completely naked in the doorway of his favorite bedroom and purring at every passerby, even his Praetorian Guards.”

    Sound familiar?

  166. @anowow
    Langston Hughes was already on that decades ago. Praised the dancing boys of Uzbekistan.


    I'm giving it less than 10 years before pederasty becomes a topic of debate and 15 years it will be grudgingly accepted by "serious" people, who currently clutch their pearls at anything Trump says. Pederasty will be acceptable provided it involves boys. 20 year old young men with 15 year old girl friends will still be acceptable targets for law enforcement and feminist ire. In fact, in the typical leftist bait and switch, they might start cracking down harder on that sort of pairing among young heteros that has been normal for most of human history. The young male scapegoats, I suspect, will be overwhelmingly white, because whites have agency. I highly doubt the Latino or Muslim community will be targeted. Some stats will come out, some moaning, but no real social policing for either of those communities. Two questions. Does it happen here first or in Europe? Will polygamy get official sanction quicker?

    Bestiality might seem like a bridge too far, and I would have thought that 10 years ago, but in the United States of Otherkin, who knows? That such mutilation, performed to suit the whims of nutjobs, is legal tells you how far we've gone.

    This will all happen, not thanks to degenerates, but to white people, and I'm not only talking about Manhattanites or Seattle residents, it's gonna happen because a lot of cucks are feeling butt hurt about Trump's comments about muh troops and other issues. Cucks of either the libertarian or Evangelical or Mormon variety make all this possible.

    Hey now, bestiality is a time-honored tradition!
    Which makes a more acceptable victim, your kid or some random sheep?

  167. Did Dennis Hastert make a lot of trips to Afganastan?

  168. @Lot
    I agree 100% MC. Maybe there will be a point 20-30 years from now where things will get so desperate, but for now violence is extremely counter-productive.

    Britain leaving the EU could easily also lead to Scotland leaving the UK as Scotland is very left-wing and pro-EU. That would leave England with a much more solid Conservative majority and probably completely kill off the LibDems, who are most popular in Scotland and extremely open-boarders. In 10 years England could have the good immigration policy of Denmark!

    Maybe we can get this straight:

    Boarder
    1. A person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services.
    A student who lives at school during the semester in return for payment.
    2. A person who boards a ship during or after an attack.

    Border
    1. A line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries.
    “The German border with Denmark.”
    A district near a line separating two political or geographical areas.
    “A refugee camp on the border.”
    2. The edge or boundary of something, or the part near it. “The northern border of their distribution area.”

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Lot
    Speaking for myself and probably others making the same typo, I understanding which is witch, however when typing fast I randomly substitute homophones.

    This one in particular is easy to make, because the first sound of the word "border" is also a common word, "board" but "bord" is not. So it is natural for me at least to type boarder.

    I hope this explanation did make you boreder than you were before you read it.
  169. @MC
    He already deserves to hang, but if this assassination ends up killing the momentum for Brexit, he should be boiled in oil as well.

    The killer may not have said anything nationalistic, but there’s a lot to be gained politically by quickly planting a false story in the public mind. For example, Abner Louima’s false claim that the police who abused him shouted, “It’s Giuliani time!” The lefties loved that.

    Also the lie that Michael Brown said, “Hands up, don’t shoot!”

  170. @PiltdownMan



    White:

    Adam
    Ben
    Morris
    Brianna
    Pavlo

    East Asian:

    Noah
    Ray
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Peter

    South Asian:

    Sarvesh
    Yashari
    Vamshi

     
    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.

    The actual given names (such as on a US passport) are still East Asian. For example, a "Harry" Lee is likely a Lee Kuan Yew. The Noah in your chess club could well be Seng Hoo. And so on.

    I'm told that South Asian (i.e. Indian Hindu) names these days are almost entirely secular Sanskrit adjectives denoting personal qualities such as bravery, constancy etc., just as Linda or Felicity are among Christian names.

    Apparently, this is recent. In previous generations, Hindu children were named after various gods. Many Hindu immigrants in America seem to pick dual purpose names for their first-generation immigrant children such as Neel (sounds like Neil) or Raj (sounds like short for Roger). But they don't pick mainstream Christian names such as Michael or John or Luke.

    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.

    First of all, the Chinese, although a plurality, only account for about 20% of the Asian population in the U.S.

    Second, with Westernized *overseas* Chinese (e.g. Singaporeans or Taiwanese), the use of English nickname along with their actual Chinese name is common, especially if they operate in an international environment. But in the United States, many East Asian parents do give their children legal English given names. That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).

    Finally, among the major immigrant groups, Indians display absolutely the lowest rate of cultural assimilation per the long-running Manhattan Institute study of immigrants. So it’s no surprise that so few of them give their children English names.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).
     
    I dunno about that. Anecdotal, but where I live, Korean is one of the three languages of the signs at our local polling place. Koreans are highly Christianized, but they have their own congregations. They also have their own restaurants, bars, big box stores (H-Mart), etc.
    , @ATX Hipster

    in the United States, many East Asian parents do give their children legal English given names
     
    By my highly scientific estimate, 98% of girls of Vietnamese stock are named either Tina or Kim.
  171. exploiting the pervasive practice of “bacha bazi” — paedophilic boy play

    This is not just an Afghan practice, but was also pervasive among Arabs. At the end of the World War II and during the first Arab-Israeli war, the most effective military unit on the Arab side was the Arab Legion, led by British officers. It had a reputation for being very loyal and disciplined, but at some point the Arabs in the legion mutinied when the British officers attempted to remove boys from their soldiers. The Britsh were eventually forced to return the boys back to the soldiers and write off the whole episode as a cultural peculiarity.

  172. e says:
    @TheJester
    I've run across numerous comments by American homosexuals over the years that an honest homosexual will admit there is an enduring element of pedophilia in homosexual culture. The boys, valued as much in America as they are in Afghanistan, are called "twinks" ... having the adolescent look and feel of a female but the genitals of a male. Instead, the gay community likes to characterize itself à la Playboy as being "just like the guy next door."

    From Wikipedia: "Twink is a gay slang term used to describe young men in their late teens to early twenties. Usage of the term varies, but traits attributed to twinks can include attractiveness, having little or no body or facial hair, a slim to average build, or appearing to be younger than their chronological age. The term dates back to at least 1963, but may be derived from the older British term twank."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang)

    The boys, valued as much in America as they are in Afghanistan, are called “twinks” … having the adolescent look and feel of a female but the genitals of a male.

    I’d say that males who haven’t yet developed strong secondary sex characteristics yet (little to no facial or body hair, thin or frail build (no broad shoulders or deep chest, for instance) don’t have, as you say, “the adolescent look and feel of a female” as much as they have an androgenous adolescent look.

  173. @theo the kraut
    OT--never let a perfectly good crisis go to waste: "scientific"american.com:

    Calls Escalate for Lifting Blood Donor Ban on Men Who Have Sex with Men

    After the Orlando massacre some are suggesting the Food and Drug Administration reconsider its policy
     

    The media outrage over this ban has been histrionic. Anderson Cooper interviewed Dr. Sanjay Gupta tonight on CNN about the gay blood ban. Of course, there was no consideration as to whether gays are a high risk group or whether a change in policy would be best for society. It was simply an issue of discrimination no different than segregated water fountains.

    Amazingly, after Dr. Gupta admitted that HIV tainted blood could be screened out and that technically the ban may not be necessary, Anderson Cooper immediately (I mean immediately as if scripted) said that people who are HIV POSITIVE should also be able to donate blood so long as they represent that they are on antiretroviral therapy. This utter insanity is being discussed on national television!!! Cooper’s suggestion was that blood donation should not only not discriminate against sexually active gays, but HIV Positive people as well.

    Where does this end?

  174. Bacha bazi, which the US State Department has called a “culturally sanctioned form of male rape”.

    You gotta love Afghanistan and the Pushtun. There are so unapologetically bad

  175. Josh Barro is all that stands between us and Trump depriving us of Afghan diversity:

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Josh Barro informs us that he is an highly-influential and elite person. Josh Barro is a Nietzschean übermensch, alpha male, world-historical statesman and philosopher genius.
  176. @Twinkie

    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.
     
    First of all, the Chinese, although a plurality, only account for about 20% of the Asian population in the U.S.

    Second, with Westernized *overseas* Chinese (e.g. Singaporeans or Taiwanese), the use of English nickname along with their actual Chinese name is common, especially if they operate in an international environment. But in the United States, many East Asian parents do give their children legal English given names. That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).

    Finally, among the major immigrant groups, Indians display absolutely the lowest rate of cultural assimilation per the long-running Manhattan Institute study of immigrants. So it's no surprise that so few of them give their children English names.

    That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).

    I dunno about that. Anecdotal, but where I live, Korean is one of the three languages of the signs at our local polling place. Koreans are highly Christianized, but they have their own congregations. They also have their own restaurants, bars, big box stores (H-Mart), etc.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I dunno about that. Anecdotal, but where I live, Korean is one of the three languages of the signs at our local polling place. Koreans are highly Christianized, but they have their own congregations. They also have their own restaurants, bars, big box stores (H-Mart), etc.
     
    The following is based on the Mahattan Institute data: https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f010fcdcee8d01f222d9b9cecb689dd?convert_to_webp=true

    As you can see, only Canadians and Filipinos exceed Koreans in cultural assimilation (Cubans are similar to Koreans). Meanwhile Chinese and Indians display the lowest rates of cultural assimilation (despite the fact that Indians start out with some English ability, which should be a tremendous advantage in cultural assimilation).
  177. @oh its just me too
    Notice:
    a. our government tells US Solidiers to look the other way when they see this behavior. because it's 'part of their culture'
    b. our government discourages christian missionaries
    c. our government pushes feminism and gay rights afghanistan (apparently this doesn't interfere with their culture.

    I seriously think given the widespread cases of homosexual pederasty in hollywood and high levels of government (see the UK) our elite want this behavior normalized.

    b. our government discourages christian missionaries

    They hardly need discouraging from our government. Its vassals in Kabul have a death penalty for apostasy on the books.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahman_(convert)

  178. Lot says:
    @Lurker
    The bizarre thing is . . . you can buy opium poppy seeds and dried poppy heads in the US, UK etc. There is no special property, Magic Dirt if you will, in Afghanistan that makes them grow there or that its somewhere with especially lax laws on their cultivation.

    People grow and sell them legally in the US, see here:

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XPapaver+somniferum.TRS0&_nkw=Papaver+somniferum&_sacat=0

    you can buy opium poppy seeds and dried poppy heads in the US, UK etc.

    The poppy seeds you get on your bagel or buy at the supermarket are exact same species used make opium and then heroin, Papaver somniferum. So are most of the poppy flowers sold in northern US garden stores.

    The state flower of California, the California poppy, is a different genus and species however, and better adapted to our sunny climate.

    In theory, if you wanted to get into the opiate business, you could just buy a pound of poppy seeds from the grocery store for $25 and plant them. I think the reason nobody does this in the USA is that it is a laborious process to extract the resin from the plant, but Afghan and Laotian labor is extremely cheap.

  179. @tbraton
    When I first started posting on TAC back in early 2010, I quickly made it clear that(1) I had opposed the Iraq War a year before it started when I heard GWB utter that inane phrase "Axis of Evil" in his 2002 SOU speech and (2) that we should have exited Afghanistan a year or two max after we declared war. Phil Giraldi responded to my comment by arguing that we should have exited Afghanistan as soon as we expelled Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I soon was convinced by PG's thinking and concluded we should have exited as quickly as we had entered since we had no vital national interests there. As another poster on TAC put it, Afghanistan was a narco state before we became engaged there, it was a narco state all the time we have been engaged there and it will be a narco state long after we leave, whenever that will be. (Afghanistan, Obama's "good war," is now America's longest-running war.)

    What I find ironic is that, during the Eisenhower Administration in the mid 50's when we were competing with the Soviet Union for the "hearts and minds" of people, we spent a lot of money financing and building a massive irrigation project (modelled after our TVA) taming the Helmand River in Helmand Province in order to promote the production of pomegranites and other other edible produce. Subsequently, the Afghans concluded it did wonders for the production of poppies, which had a much greater cash value than ordinary vegetables. According to Wikipedia, " Helmand is believed to be one of the world's largest opium-producing regions, responsible for around 80% of the world's total production.[4][5] This is believed to be more than the whole of Burma, which is the second largest producing nation after Afghanistan. The region also produces the following: tobacco, sugar beets, cotton, sesame, wheat, mung beans, maize, nuts, sun flowers, onions, potato, tomato, cauliflower, peanut, apricot, grape, and melon.[6]" I believe the expression that "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" best describes our little project in Helmand Province.

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military's propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military’s propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.

    There was a recent incident that got a lot of news coverage: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/04/28/green-beret-who-beat-up-accused-child-rapist-can-stay-army/83679604/

    • Replies: @tbraton
    There must have been more than one such incident, since I recall reading it a lot more in the distant past, such as a year or two ago, not a month and a half ago. Like this story: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
  180. @Twinkie

    East Asian first names are often nicknames, even if the East Asian (usually Chinese) in question is a Christian. This has been a thing with the Chinese in Anglophone societies for a generation now.
     
    First of all, the Chinese, although a plurality, only account for about 20% of the Asian population in the U.S.

    Second, with Westernized *overseas* Chinese (e.g. Singaporeans or Taiwanese), the use of English nickname along with their actual Chinese name is common, especially if they operate in an international environment. But in the United States, many East Asian parents do give their children legal English given names. That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).

    Finally, among the major immigrant groups, Indians display absolutely the lowest rate of cultural assimilation per the long-running Manhattan Institute study of immigrants. So it's no surprise that so few of them give their children English names.

    in the United States, many East Asian parents do give their children legal English given names

    By my highly scientific estimate, 98% of girls of Vietnamese stock are named either Tina or Kim.

  181. @Dave Pinsen
    Obviously, Afghanistan has been a long and pointless project for the US and NATO, but for a tiny fraction of the money spent on other stuff, the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    If you want Afghan women to be attractive to Afghan men, you’d be more successful with a metoidioplasty/phalloplasty infrastructure.

  182. @Marcus
    Here's a prominent Pashtun, looks kind of like a younger Mick Jagger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Khan

    Imran Khan also acted like the young Mick Jagger in that he cut a swathe through the young upper-middle class gels of Worcestershire and Sussex, before marrying the daughter of James Goldsmith.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    A jihad on pussy
  183. @Dave Pinsen
    Josh Barro is all that stands between us and Trump depriving us of Afghan diversity:
    https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/743671776689823744

    Josh Barro informs us that he is an highly-influential and elite person. Josh Barro is a Nietzschean übermensch, alpha male, world-historical statesman and philosopher genius.

  184. @RonaldB
    I don't know if you caught Jared Taylor's speech at the American Renaissance convention, but he said that while they undoubtedly had problems with Jewish groups [breaking down white consciousness], some of their most important supporters were Jews.

    So, the tendency to try to lump Jews all together is self-defeating.

    Having said that, you can see that 70% of US Jews supported Obama in his second election.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    I think Israel is very functional the way it is. It is a rock of stable borders, a showcase of (more-or-less) Western values, a high-tech sanctuary supplying much valuable technology, and a homeland for productive but contentious Jews who have crafted a highly functional environment for themselves and the Christians and Muslims under their protection.

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    1. Israeli Jews are very different from American Jews. Polls have consistently shown them preferring Trump to Hillary (and, during the primary, Trump to the other Republicans, at least after he announced the Muslim ban). Their being forced to flee Israel presumably wouldn’t improve their opinion of Muslims or Democrats.

    2. Many (though certainly not all) American Jews openly state that the reason they agitate for open borders is to make sure Jews fleeing for their lives are never turned away from America again, as in the 1930s.

    The dissolution of Israel and its Jews fleeing to the US would make that a moot point, so they might well take a more open-minded view thereafter. And again, whatever events transpired in the leadup to that eventuality wouldn’t be likely to improve their opinion of Muslims or Democrats.

  185. “My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us.”

    It’s pretty difficult for the U.S to have a badass reputation after a small country of peasants kicked America’s ass when America was at the height of it’s industrial might.

    In fact, the reason why so many people throughout the World want to blow Americans up and don’t really care whether they live to tell the story is exactly because over the past few decades the U.S has been going throughout the World trying to be as badass as it can, invading countries on whims, ignoring international conventions, stealing other countries’ natural resources and generally showing arrogant condescension towards everyone. When you act like a bully, people tend to resent it

    “(which I don’t believe they’ve done for 15 years — I think they’ve learned that lesson),”

    ‘Murika! ‘Murika! See what I mean by colossal arrogance and condescension that irates foreigners and want them to blow Americans up? You arrogantly condescend and dismiss other societies as your subservient vassals who should be thankful to America to be even allowed to live.

    Understand something: not only is American military might overrated and non-existent without Chinese money to finance it, the American Military is completely irrelevant against individual terrorists who target Americans. F-22 Raptors, aircraft carriers and Sherman tanks do nothing against individual men who walk into a crowd of Americans with a bunch of C-4 tied to their waist and then blow them all up.

    ” I don’t much care what happens in Afghanistan.”

    Yes, I think it has been very well established over the years that you don’t give a shit about anything other than America. Remember when you stated refering to a picture of Israeli soldiers clubbing Palestinean kids in the head that, and I quote(quoting verbatim
    ):

    “Personally, I don’t care if the Israelis push the Palestineans around. What I care about is America.”

    You have an almost sociopathic detachment from the humanity of everyone who isn’t an American citizen. I find it fascinating how anyone can so selectively detach themselves from human feelings like this. You are, without a shadow of a doubt, the most extreme example of particularist morality I have ever seen in anyone.

    In fact, scratch that. You don’t even care about America and Americans: you care about heterosexual Americans who are married and with kids. You have roughly the same disregard for anyone who doesen’t fit your conservative mold. as you have for those in-human foreigners who despise so much.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    I think you are better in MMA than in online reasoning.
    , @Randal

    you care about heterosexual Americans who are married and with kids.
     
    Well in fairness those are clearly the best and most important of any nation, as a broad generalisation.

    The reasonably successful (socially speaking), responsible ones with a direct stake in the stability and future of the nation.
  186. @ATX Hipster

    I seem to recall reading a few years ago about an American military man who had the audacity to complain to higher-ups about the Afghan military’s propensity to violate boys, and the higher-ups ignored his complaints and sided with the Afghan military.
     
    There was a recent incident that got a lot of news coverage: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2016/04/28/green-beret-who-beat-up-accused-child-rapist-can-stay-army/83679604/

    There must have been more than one such incident, since I recall reading it a lot more in the distant past, such as a year or two ago, not a month and a half ago. Like this story: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

  187. @Nick Diaz
    @Steve Sailer

    "My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us."

    It's pretty difficult for the U.S to have a badass reputation after a small country of peasants kicked America's ass when America was at the height of it's industrial might.

    In fact, the reason why so many people throughout the World want to blow Americans up and don't really care whether they live to tell the story is exactly because over the past few decades the U.S has been going throughout the World trying to be as badass as it can, invading countries on whims, ignoring international conventions, stealing other countries' natural resources and generally showing arrogant condescension towards everyone. When you act like a bully, people tend to resent it

    "(which I don’t believe they’ve done for 15 years — I think they’ve learned that lesson),"

    'Murika! 'Murika! See what I mean by colossal arrogance and condescension that irates foreigners and want them to blow Americans up? You arrogantly condescend and dismiss other societies as your subservient vassals who should be thankful to America to be even allowed to live.

    Understand something: not only is American military might overrated and non-existent without Chinese money to finance it, the American Military is completely irrelevant against individual terrorists who target Americans. F-22 Raptors, aircraft carriers and Sherman tanks do nothing against individual men who walk into a crowd of Americans with a bunch of C-4 tied to their waist and then blow them all up.

    " I don’t much care what happens in Afghanistan."

    Yes, I think it has been very well established over the years that you don't give a shit about anything other than America. Remember when you stated refering to a picture of Israeli soldiers clubbing Palestinean kids in the head that, and I quote(quoting verbatim
    ):

    "Personally, I don't care if the Israelis push the Palestineans around. What I care about is America."

    You have an almost sociopathic detachment from the humanity of everyone who isn't an American citizen. I find it fascinating how anyone can so selectively detach themselves from human feelings like this. You are, without a shadow of a doubt, the most extreme example of particularist morality I have ever seen in anyone.

    In fact, scratch that. You don't even care about America and Americans: you care about heterosexual Americans who are married and with kids. You have roughly the same disregard for anyone who doesen't fit your conservative mold. as you have for those in-human foreigners who despise so much.

    I think you are better in MMA than in online reasoning.

  188. @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe we can get this straight:

    Boarder
    1. A person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services.
    A student who lives at school during the semester in return for payment.
    2. A person who boards a ship during or after an attack.

    Border
    1. A line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries.
    "The German border with Denmark."
    A district near a line separating two political or geographical areas.
    "A refugee camp on the border."
    2. The edge or boundary of something, or the part near it. "The northern border of their distribution area."
  189. @Harry Baldwin
    Maybe we can get this straight:

    Boarder
    1. A person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services.
    A student who lives at school during the semester in return for payment.
    2. A person who boards a ship during or after an attack.

    Border
    1. A line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries.
    "The German border with Denmark."
    A district near a line separating two political or geographical areas.
    "A refugee camp on the border."
    2. The edge or boundary of something, or the part near it. "The northern border of their distribution area."

    Speaking for myself and probably others making the same typo, I understanding which is witch, however when typing fast I randomly substitute homophones.

    This one in particular is easy to make, because the first sound of the word “border” is also a common word, “board” but “bord” is not. So it is natural for me at least to type boarder.

    I hope this explanation did make you boreder than you were before you read it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A lot of commenters type "Open Boarders" and it's perfectly reasonable whether either a typo or intentional.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I hesitated to post my correction as I appreciate your comments and don't want to be a dick, but I've noticed you make this typo consistently. It's not really important and I'm relieved you responded with good humor.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    I always thought it was a deliberate pun to invoke the image of pirates climbing over the gunwhale looking for booty.
  190. @Lot
    Speaking for myself and probably others making the same typo, I understanding which is witch, however when typing fast I randomly substitute homophones.

    This one in particular is easy to make, because the first sound of the word "border" is also a common word, "board" but "bord" is not. So it is natural for me at least to type boarder.

    I hope this explanation did make you boreder than you were before you read it.

    A lot of commenters type “Open Boarders” and it’s perfectly reasonable whether either a typo or intentional.

  191. @Jack Hanson
    I think that you're pretty optimistic in that 15 years everything isn't going to look like the climax of a Fallout game.

    Naah. I give that 50. It’s going to be more of a slow Brazilianization with lots of really bad, diverse areas and a few whitopias (with Asians and Indians added) that still look OK but decrease in size over time.

  192. @Lot
    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here's a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    http://cdn.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1-790.jpg

    http://www.bestphotosite.net/photos/751092613.jpg

    By comparison, here's some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6p8UNQvuNM/VsGLA4EawQI/AAAAAAAABXA/2yReSQ3f97I/s1600/IMG-20160212-WA0011.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fseR172txwE/Vx3S3qoFj2I/AAAAAAAABrY/5pcubG5802YzEFaKzg-aJFQDuj1pnAOQgCKgB/s1600/P4220351.JPG

    Well, Omar Mateen’s father has blue eyes. However, I could only see one Pashtun kid with light eyes in your pictures, while they all were much more darker-skinned than the Spanish kids.
    I guess one in ten Pashtuns being able to pass for a Southern Euro would be much closer to reality. Hell, even Anatolian Kurds, closer to Europe, are noticeably darker than ordinary Turks, not to mention Southern Europeans.

  193. @Mr. Anon
    "It’s always amusing to read the aha ad alt-fighters talk about sex and physical intimacy, a subject in which they have no personal experience."

    This is quite typical leftist projection. We are not talking about sex and physical intimacy. We're talking about pederasty.

    So I gather that you consider pederasty to be a legitimate form of "physical intimacy". Well, I guess that's one way for you to rationalize being a catamite.

    Well, I guess that’s one way for you to rationalize being a catamite.

    Actually, if Sick Duck was into underage sex, it would be necessary to coin the new word “kittenamite” to describe him. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he’s carnally interested only in adult cats.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    I've heard of cougar hunters, sir, but that is simply ridiculous.
  194. @snorlax
    Didn't the Communists try that with the Gypsies, without success?

    I don’t think they took it that far. They stopped their peripatetic ways and made them go to school.

  195. @snorlax
    I know that in the direction of conspiracy theorizing lies madness, but this sort of thing makes it very tempting. I was reading a British political forum yesterday and both the Brexiteers and the Remainers agreed that the establishment would never allow Brexit, and surely they had some last-ditch contingency plan ready to deploy in the last week if it looked like Out was going to win.

    I mean, it is pretty odd how over the last 60 years, in every single Western country, the anti-immigration can't catch a single break. Not once. Not even when the polls are clearly in its favor. Probably most of that is legitimate, or as legitimate as an election result can be when influenced by a nonstop propaganda onslaught. But surely there are a few massaged results and staged scandals in there too. Probably this one was real, but who the hell knows anymore?

    False flag was my first thought. Loony Brexit supporter accesses a gun and shoots a rising Labour/EU supporter MP?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Apparently they're recalling Parliament and still suspending campaigning.

    I can understand recalling to pay a tribute to the deceased, but I wonder if there's going to be a bipartisan effort by the pro-EU leaders of both parties to campaign by denouncing the evil Brexiters that caused her death (no evidence required). Cameron and Corbyn are in Birstall today (a place where I'll lay a fiver neither of them have ever visited or could find on a map) - we shall see.

    I do not trust Cameron or his pro-EU allies one angstrom.
  196. @AndrewR
    Relative to the average BLMer, Afghans are white.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    While gays and their allies span the ideological spectrum, they do seem to be firmly planted on the anti-white left. I had a gay guy ask me why I would support Trump as a bi male. This was actually the day after the Orlando massacre.

    I said

    a) Trump has shown no signs of disliking gays.

    b) Regardless, I'd still support him even if he advocated the execution of gays because I prioritize my ethnic group and my civilization infinitely over my sexuality (unlike far too many LGBT). As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy. And to be perfectly frank, voting for leftists massively increases the chance of an Islamic takeover of the West (although, due to demographic realities, that would take a lot longer in the US than it would [will?] in Europe), and I would hope it's not necessary to explain how such a takeover would be bad for gays...

    What I would like to see is BLMers getting drafted into fighting ISIS. As incentive, we could guarantee "reparations" to all survivors.

    BLM is the new Westboro Baptist Church.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Far worse. No major politicians openly showed solidarity with WBC
  197. @Brutusale
    False flag was my first thought. Loony Brexit supporter accesses a gun and shoots a rising Labour/EU supporter MP?

    Apparently they’re recalling Parliament and still suspending campaigning.

    I can understand recalling to pay a tribute to the deceased, but I wonder if there’s going to be a bipartisan effort by the pro-EU leaders of both parties to campaign by denouncing the evil Brexiters that caused her death (no evidence required). Cameron and Corbyn are in Birstall today (a place where I’ll lay a fiver neither of them have ever visited or could find on a map) – we shall see.

    I do not trust Cameron or his pro-EU allies one angstrom.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Ey-up, as they say in that neck of the woods.

    "Neo-Nazi links of man suspected of murdering MP Jo Cox are revealed"

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/revealed-neonazi-links-of-man-suspected-of-murdering-mp-jo-cox-a3274356.html


    "Evidence obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which monitors far right groups, appears to show Mair bought a manual from the National Alliance in 1999 that included instructions on how to build a pistol.

    The SPLC printed receipts which seem to show he purchased a number of books and periodicals from the organisation and gave an address for delivery on the Fairbank Estate in Birstall.

    Among his purchases from National Vanguard Books, the NA’s printing arm, were said to be manuals that instruct readers on the “Chemistry of Powder & Explosives,” “Incendiaries,” and a work called “Improvised Munitions Handbook.”

    The last handbook included detailed instructions for constructing a “Pipe Pistol For .38 Caliber Ammunition” using components that can be purchased from “nearly any hardware store.”

    The .38 caliber pistol is described as having a lethal range of 30 metres."
     

    Back in the 1970s the "alternative press" (and Private Eye magazine IIRC) used to have adverts for books like "The Anarchist's Cookbook", improvised weapons manuals which seemed to be targeted at lefties.
  198. @Anonymous Nephew
    Imran Khan also acted like the young Mick Jagger in that he cut a swathe through the young upper-middle class gels of Worcestershire and Sussex, before marrying the daughter of James Goldsmith.

    A jihad on pussy

  199. biz says:
    @Jefferson
    "The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims."

    If you were a Left Winger, how would you spin it and blame Muslim hatred of Jews on White Christian Cisgender Conservative Republicans? Also how would you blame it on Donald Trump and the NRA specifically?

    Donald Trump letting his daughter convert to Judaism and having Jewish grandchildren causes Muslims to hate Jews and commit Jihad.

    If you were a Left Winger, how would you spin it and blame Muslim hatred of Jews on White Christian Cisgender Conservative Republicans?

    Oh this is already been done. Clearly you don’t lurk at leftist blogs such as Daily Kos and Salon.

    The basic idea is that Muslim antisemitism is understandable because, you know, Israel and what not, and Muslims, as ‘brown’ people, cannot be expected to have adult moral agency. The most pro-Israel demographic in the US is white evangelical Christians, so there you go – Muslim antisemitism is the fault of them.

  200. @Steve Sailer
    My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us, so overthrowing the Taliban for their malign negligence in hosting Al-Qaeda was appropriate after 9/11. On the other hand, the Taliban weren't Al-Qaeda, they were just minor players in 9/11, so eventually bygones can be bygones. I don't care about Afghanistan enough to want to fight them over who rules Afghanistan.

    But, for historical reasons, we don't like the name "Taliban."

    So, they should change their name to something not associated with 9/11. They can be the "United Front of Islamic Wisdom" or whatever they want. As long as they stay within the borders of Afghanistan and don't facilitate attacks on America (which I don't believe they've done for 15 years -- I think they've learned that lesson), I don't much care what happens in Afghanistan.

    I agree with this.

    Now allow me to make myself unpopular around here and say that I also think the same thing about the 2003 Iraq Attaq. Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What’s left?

    The point of the invasion was to ensure Saddam had no WMD–either because they weren’t there or because we would remove them–and to remove Saddam from power, since he seemed incapable of learning the lesson of his previous war with the US.

    I started having doubts about the enterprise when Thomas Friedman suddenly invented the Pottery Barn Doctrine (“You break it, you own it.”) Whoa, thought I, now our foreign policy is driven by crappy mall store slogans?!? We’re just making sure this guy is disarmed as a safety precaution. Running Iraq is not our problem. Bush came into office proclaiming his skepticism of nation-building, so clearly that’s not on the menu. What’s all this talk about “owning” it?

    But the joke was on me, and the rest of America, and Iraq. Nation-building WAS on the menu. Indeed, it turned out to be the only menu item.

    In my defense, greater men than I were also fooled by the strange turn of events. Henry Kissinger:

    “I thought it would be a quick operation to replace Saddam. I did not think it would lead to — and I would not have favored — a long-term occupation in order to reconstruct a society and to try to repeat the experiences of Germany and Japan in a country that had no comparable institutions. I even then thought that it was beyond the capacity of the United States, or maybe anybody, to turn Iraq into a Western-style democracy.”

    Beside Friedman’s bizarre invocation of a Pottery Barn doctrine, I think the other aspect that brought about this subtle but fatal shift of objective was that after the Leftish Media (I repeat myself, I know) failed to stop the invasion train from leaving the station, it occurred to them that if they couldn’t prevent the train from leaving the station, they could at least derail it, by changing it from a military invasion into a sort of (armed) social worker intervention. In this they were spectacularly successful. After the rapid success of the Rumsfeld blitzkrieg, the media editorializing quickly took on a pseudo-noble, morally extortionate tone: that this must be about helping the Iraqis, not about anything so base as preventing America from getting nuked, sarin-ed or bioweaponed. Unfortunately the Bush administration seemed to fall for this and the military objective imperceptibly shifted from shutting down a threat, to forcing Iraqis to attain an unattainable NY Times version of niceness.

    This incidentally answers Arclight’s question above (#32?) of why no one in the media ever asks anyone in government why the US military is still involved in these countries. The major media labored mightily to create this situation where the most powerful military in the world is absorbed in the most pointless project in the world. If they allow anyone to notice it, someone might change it. This is also why military-hating John Kerry reiterated this Pottery Barn nonsense so prominently in his 2004 campaign. The Left knew they had Bush and the Mil-Cons in a double bind, and they like it that way.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor

    Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What’s left?
     
    Everyone with half a brain knew he had no WMD. Especially the US government. Besides, Saddam posed no threat to the US or the West, even if he had WMD, and has never attacked the US or the West.

    So there no reason to remove him.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Generally agree, though I think it was Colin Powell who first said, "You break it, you own it". Let's remember too that the nation building was a scheme of the State Department (can't remember who was the Secretary of State offhand) which installed the disastrous Paul Bremer, over the objections of DoD, who ran Iraq single-handedly for over a year. Of course, Dubya approved all this stupidity, so it is finally his fault.
  201. @Anonymous Nephew
    Apparently they're recalling Parliament and still suspending campaigning.

    I can understand recalling to pay a tribute to the deceased, but I wonder if there's going to be a bipartisan effort by the pro-EU leaders of both parties to campaign by denouncing the evil Brexiters that caused her death (no evidence required). Cameron and Corbyn are in Birstall today (a place where I'll lay a fiver neither of them have ever visited or could find on a map) - we shall see.

    I do not trust Cameron or his pro-EU allies one angstrom.

    Ey-up, as they say in that neck of the woods.

    “Neo-Nazi links of man suspected of murdering MP Jo Cox are revealed”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/revealed-neonazi-links-of-man-suspected-of-murdering-mp-jo-cox-a3274356.html

    “Evidence obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which monitors far right groups, appears to show Mair bought a manual from the National Alliance in 1999 that included instructions on how to build a pistol.

    The SPLC printed receipts which seem to show he purchased a number of books and periodicals from the organisation and gave an address for delivery on the Fairbank Estate in Birstall.

    Among his purchases from National Vanguard Books, the NA’s printing arm, were said to be manuals that instruct readers on the “Chemistry of Powder & Explosives,” “Incendiaries,” and a work called “Improvised Munitions Handbook.”

    The last handbook included detailed instructions for constructing a “Pipe Pistol For .38 Caliber Ammunition” using components that can be purchased from “nearly any hardware store.”

    The .38 caliber pistol is described as having a lethal range of 30 metres.”

    Back in the 1970s the “alternative press” (and Private Eye magazine IIRC) used to have adverts for books like “The Anarchist’s Cookbook”, improvised weapons manuals which seemed to be targeted at lefties.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    It is lawful in the United States, although of course not in the UK, for anyone not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm, to make his or her own gun. Firearms made from improvised materials are popularly known as "zip guns", and while most are unsafe to shoot, a safe single shot pistol can be made from automobile parts, bedsprings, et al, if one has at least a drill press and is willing to learn the art of hand filing to the standards it was taught from Victorian times in the railroad shops to the early 1950s for certain naval rates and even to this day in the shops of British shotgun makers such as Purdeys.

    There is a fair bit of modern literature on the subject today.

    I don't recall National Alliance Books (from which I purchased several titles in their mid-1990s heyday) selling these titles. The major suppliers were Paladin Press and Loompanics, both of which were also in the US. A web search (and may I recommend duckduckgo or a similar search engine, as Google will send you on a bit of a wild goose chase) will turn up a great deal.

  202. @Arclight
    I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan. When we were in both Iraq and Afghanistan when Bush was president I figured it was partly to send a message to Iran, which had to consider that it had tens of thousands of battle-hardened US troops on both sides in determining how frisky it would get in the region.

    Now that we've mostly left Iraq and Afghanistan has not progressed into anything other than a place where taxpayer money goes directly into the pockets of corrupt warlords, I can't see the point. It's a country that is incredibly poor in human capital and natural resources and as revolting as its native society is, it poses no threat to us.

    The media doesn't ever ask what our objectives or purposes are there 15 years on, and no one is asking the current or prospective presidents about it. Am I missing something?

    “I wish someone somewhere would ask the president and/or high level members of the foreign policy and defense establishment what purpose is served by our ongoing presence in Afghanistan … Am I missing something?”

    I think what you are missing is described in my comment above (somewhere around #200?).

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-would-deprive-u-s-of-afghan-diversity-such-as-bacha-bazi/#comment-1457842

    Basically, the deceitful media managed to gull Bush into endlessly committing the US military to a pointless project: modernizing Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama likes it that way too, so he hasn’t really changed it. The media like it that way, so naturally they don’t ask any embarrassing questions.

  203. @Lot
    Speaking for myself and probably others making the same typo, I understanding which is witch, however when typing fast I randomly substitute homophones.

    This one in particular is easy to make, because the first sound of the word "border" is also a common word, "board" but "bord" is not. So it is natural for me at least to type boarder.

    I hope this explanation did make you boreder than you were before you read it.

    I hesitated to post my correction as I appreciate your comments and don’t want to be a dick, but I’ve noticed you make this typo consistently. It’s not really important and I’m relieved you responded with good humor.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Haha, I am not actually sure why, but I also noticed I started doing it a few months ago, and I catch it about half the time. Maybe I will just switch to frontera-abiertistas.
  204. @Olorin

    As a white person, the future the left has in store for me is not very rosy.
     
    The future the left has in store for everybody is rosy only in its diversitopian ideology and fluffy bunny catechisms.

    Otherwise it's 110% mayhem for all but a few thousand globalista families.

    This is what its stupid foot soldiers don't seem to comprehend. Everything they want, value, desire, envy, and benefit from resides in societies created by people of a fairly restricted genomic pool. Erase that genome--situationally or genetically--and what you have left is Detroit.

    But… didn’t Mexicans invent the nacho? Didn’t Garrett Morgan kinda sorta invent one of the first traffic lights? Didn’t Ooo’ktcha in Ethiopia in 507,492 BC use the first spear? Okay, he didn’t make it, he found a broken tree branch after a storm, but still….. it required at least a spark of insight to use it, right?

    So who’s to say that a brown world would be Detroit. With all this innovation, surely a brown world would achieve Camden.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "So who’s to say that a brown world would be Detroit. With all this innovation, surely a brown world would achieve Camden."

    LMAO.
  205. @Nick Diaz
    @Steve Sailer

    "My feeling is that the U.S. ought to have a badass reputation to not screw with us."

    It's pretty difficult for the U.S to have a badass reputation after a small country of peasants kicked America's ass when America was at the height of it's industrial might.

    In fact, the reason why so many people throughout the World want to blow Americans up and don't really care whether they live to tell the story is exactly because over the past few decades the U.S has been going throughout the World trying to be as badass as it can, invading countries on whims, ignoring international conventions, stealing other countries' natural resources and generally showing arrogant condescension towards everyone. When you act like a bully, people tend to resent it

    "(which I don’t believe they’ve done for 15 years — I think they’ve learned that lesson),"

    'Murika! 'Murika! See what I mean by colossal arrogance and condescension that irates foreigners and want them to blow Americans up? You arrogantly condescend and dismiss other societies as your subservient vassals who should be thankful to America to be even allowed to live.

    Understand something: not only is American military might overrated and non-existent without Chinese money to finance it, the American Military is completely irrelevant against individual terrorists who target Americans. F-22 Raptors, aircraft carriers and Sherman tanks do nothing against individual men who walk into a crowd of Americans with a bunch of C-4 tied to their waist and then blow them all up.

    " I don’t much care what happens in Afghanistan."

    Yes, I think it has been very well established over the years that you don't give a shit about anything other than America. Remember when you stated refering to a picture of Israeli soldiers clubbing Palestinean kids in the head that, and I quote(quoting verbatim
    ):

    "Personally, I don't care if the Israelis push the Palestineans around. What I care about is America."

    You have an almost sociopathic detachment from the humanity of everyone who isn't an American citizen. I find it fascinating how anyone can so selectively detach themselves from human feelings like this. You are, without a shadow of a doubt, the most extreme example of particularist morality I have ever seen in anyone.

    In fact, scratch that. You don't even care about America and Americans: you care about heterosexual Americans who are married and with kids. You have roughly the same disregard for anyone who doesen't fit your conservative mold. as you have for those in-human foreigners who despise so much.

    you care about heterosexual Americans who are married and with kids.

    Well in fairness those are clearly the best and most important of any nation, as a broad generalisation.

    The reasonably successful (socially speaking), responsible ones with a direct stake in the stability and future of the nation.

  206. @RonaldB
    Afghanistan was never united under the Taliban. They Taliban represented the Pashtuns, while the smaller Northern Alliance represented mainly Tajiks.

    US forces had bin Laden bottled up in the Tora Bora mountains, but nation-building considerations made the military command give the job of actually capturing him to the National Alliance forces, rather than relying on US special forces.

    The National Alliance forces naturally botched the job, and bin Laden remained free for years until assassinated in a high-risk operation by US special forces.

    If we weren't enthralled by the siren call of "nation building" we could have gone in, gotten bin Laden, and gotten out. The Northern Alliance would be in control of most of Afghanistan, but would probably lose it to the Taliban, which would be no concern of ours. Most likely, the reinstated Taliban government would realize that to continue governing, they would need to strictly avoid the US.

    So Benazir Bhutto had it wrong when she said Bin Laden was long expired?

  207. @Lot

    The undeniably Jewish name combined with the outrageousness of the author’s proposal can only lend fuel to the fire of people who dislike Jews and/or Jewish supremacy.
     
    The only group in America that does not like Jews are Muslims.* White Americans are extremely philo-semetic, and as I've posted in detail before, increasingly have Jewish/part-Jewish blood relatives.

    *Polls showing Latinos hold anti-semitic views are seriously flawed by orgs that have a financial incentive to overstate antisemitism. They just reflect Latinos are less PC than US whites. For example, saying you agree that "Jews are good at business" absurdly gets labeled as anti-semite in these BS polls. No, that poll is just testing common sense and self-censorship.

    Must be a lot of Muslims on Unz.com then.

  208. @Almost Missouri
    I agree with this.

    Now allow me to make myself unpopular around here and say that I also think the same thing about the 2003 Iraq Attaq. Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What's left?

    The point of the invasion was to ensure Saddam had no WMD--either because they weren't there or because we would remove them--and to remove Saddam from power, since he seemed incapable of learning the lesson of his previous war with the US.

    I started having doubts about the enterprise when Thomas Friedman suddenly invented the Pottery Barn Doctrine ("You break it, you own it.") Whoa, thought I, now our foreign policy is driven by crappy mall store slogans?!? We're just making sure this guy is disarmed as a safety precaution. Running Iraq is not our problem. Bush came into office proclaiming his skepticism of nation-building, so clearly that's not on the menu. What's all this talk about "owning" it?

    But the joke was on me, and the rest of America, and Iraq. Nation-building WAS on the menu. Indeed, it turned out to be the only menu item.

    In my defense, greater men than I were also fooled by the strange turn of events. Henry Kissinger:


    "I thought it would be a quick operation to replace Saddam. I did not think it would lead to — and I would not have favored — a long-term occupation in order to reconstruct a society and to try to repeat the experiences of Germany and Japan in a country that had no comparable institutions. I even then thought that it was beyond the capacity of the United States, or maybe anybody, to turn Iraq into a Western-style democracy."
     
    Beside Friedman's bizarre invocation of a Pottery Barn doctrine, I think the other aspect that brought about this subtle but fatal shift of objective was that after the Leftish Media (I repeat myself, I know) failed to stop the invasion train from leaving the station, it occurred to them that if they couldn't prevent the train from leaving the station, they could at least derail it, by changing it from a military invasion into a sort of (armed) social worker intervention. In this they were spectacularly successful. After the rapid success of the Rumsfeld blitzkrieg, the media editorializing quickly took on a pseudo-noble, morally extortionate tone: that this must be about helping the Iraqis, not about anything so base as preventing America from getting nuked, sarin-ed or bioweaponed. Unfortunately the Bush administration seemed to fall for this and the military objective imperceptibly shifted from shutting down a threat, to forcing Iraqis to attain an unattainable NY Times version of niceness.

    This incidentally answers Arclight's question above (#32?) of why no one in the media ever asks anyone in government why the US military is still involved in these countries. The major media labored mightily to create this situation where the most powerful military in the world is absorbed in the most pointless project in the world. If they allow anyone to notice it, someone might change it. This is also why military-hating John Kerry reiterated this Pottery Barn nonsense so prominently in his 2004 campaign. The Left knew they had Bush and the Mil-Cons in a double bind, and they like it that way.

    Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What’s left?

    Everyone with half a brain knew he had no WMD. Especially the US government. Besides, Saddam posed no threat to the US or the West, even if he had WMD, and has never attacked the US or the West.

    So there no reason to remove him.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    In the runup to the Iraq War, it was not only claimed that Saddam Hussein had WMD's, it was also claimed that
    (1) his sons had "rape rooms" in which they had sexually assaulted Iraqi women,
    (2) that Saddam "supported terrorism" because he was giving $25 K in compensation to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers,
    (3) that his sons had a wood chipper that they used to torture their enemies, that they would put you in feet first, but head first if they were being merciful,
    (4) that Saddam was attempting to buy large quantities of Nigerian yellowcake (Uranium oxide),
    (5) that Chalabi was anticipated to be the new leader of Iraq by the pervasive underground, and would be greeted with flowers,
    (7) that the invasion would be over quickly and with Chalabi being the guy, there would be no anarchy, which is why the looting of the Baghdad Museum was such a surprise (to Rumsfeld, at any rate)
    (8) even if it turned out that the US had to stay for "awhile", that would be OK, since, after all, we created democracy in both Germany and Japan overnight (false for multiple reasons)
    (9) Since the US would be in and out as soon as "major combat" was over, and GWB had landed on an aircraft carrier, we didn't need a particularly large force commitment in Iraq,
    (10) Because of reasons (7)-(9) there wouldn't be any problem with civil war, guerilla war, insurgencies, and so on, and only defeatist generals would insist that we needed more boots on the groud,
    (11) Once the war began, every time someone found an Iraqi gas mask or a barrel full of fertilizer or pesticides it was breathlessly proclaimed through the media as "proof of WMD's."
    (12) By the way, worth mentioning, before the ultimatum for Saddam to comply with UN mandates expired, we still attempted to kill him, which was not only a questionably justifiable attempt to assassinate a head of state but also was just another preview for the "Shock 'n' Awe" tactics that would supposedly make the war quick, painless, and bloodless.

    The Iraq War just might have the biggest blunder by the US government in my lifetime, and I lived through Vietnam. But at least I got my "The Surge Worked!" t-shirt.
  209. @reiner Tor

    Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What’s left?
     
    Everyone with half a brain knew he had no WMD. Especially the US government. Besides, Saddam posed no threat to the US or the West, even if he had WMD, and has never attacked the US or the West.

    So there no reason to remove him.

    In the runup to the Iraq War, it was not only claimed that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s, it was also claimed that
    (1) his sons had “rape rooms” in which they had sexually assaulted Iraqi women,
    (2) that Saddam “supported terrorism” because he was giving $25 K in compensation to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers,
    (3) that his sons had a wood chipper that they used to torture their enemies, that they would put you in feet first, but head first if they were being merciful,
    (4) that Saddam was attempting to buy large quantities of Nigerian yellowcake (Uranium oxide),
    (5) that Chalabi was anticipated to be the new leader of Iraq by the pervasive underground, and would be greeted with flowers,
    (7) that the invasion would be over quickly and with Chalabi being the guy, there would be no anarchy, which is why the looting of the Baghdad Museum was such a surprise (to Rumsfeld, at any rate)
    (8) even if it turned out that the US had to stay for “awhile”, that would be OK, since, after all, we created democracy in both Germany and Japan overnight (false for multiple reasons)
    (9) Since the US would be in and out as soon as “major combat” was over, and GWB had landed on an aircraft carrier, we didn’t need a particularly large force commitment in Iraq,
    (10) Because of reasons (7)-(9) there wouldn’t be any problem with civil war, guerilla war, insurgencies, and so on, and only defeatist generals would insist that we needed more boots on the groud,
    (11) Once the war began, every time someone found an Iraqi gas mask or a barrel full of fertilizer or pesticides it was breathlessly proclaimed through the media as “proof of WMD’s.”
    (12) By the way, worth mentioning, before the ultimatum for Saddam to comply with UN mandates expired, we still attempted to kill him, which was not only a questionably justifiable attempt to assassinate a head of state but also was just another preview for the “Shock ‘n’ Awe” tactics that would supposedly make the war quick, painless, and bloodless.

    The Iraq War just might have the biggest blunder by the US government in my lifetime, and I lived through Vietnam. But at least I got my “The Surge Worked!” t-shirt.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The Iraq War just might have the biggest blunder by the US government in my lifetime, and I lived through Vietnam. But at least I got my “The Surge Worked!” t-shirt."

    How old were you when the Vietnam war ended in 1975?
  210. @Almost Missouri
    I agree with this.

    Now allow me to make myself unpopular around here and say that I also think the same thing about the 2003 Iraq Attaq. Saddam spoke menacing and would not certify his de-WMDing. Therefore he was someone who may have WMD and is threatening to use them against the US. If you are the head of the US govt, what will you do? Nothing? Given the high stakes, some action was obliged. Coup attempts had failed. Air strikes had failed. What's left?

    The point of the invasion was to ensure Saddam had no WMD--either because they weren't there or because we would remove them--and to remove Saddam from power, since he seemed incapable of learning the lesson of his previous war with the US.

    I started having doubts about the enterprise when Thomas Friedman suddenly invented the Pottery Barn Doctrine ("You break it, you own it.") Whoa, thought I, now our foreign policy is driven by crappy mall store slogans?!? We're just making sure this guy is disarmed as a safety precaution. Running Iraq is not our problem. Bush came into office proclaiming his skepticism of nation-building, so clearly that's not on the menu. What's all this talk about "owning" it?

    But the joke was on me, and the rest of America, and Iraq. Nation-building WAS on the menu. Indeed, it turned out to be the only menu item.

    In my defense, greater men than I were also fooled by the strange turn of events. Henry Kissinger:


    "I thought it would be a quick operation to replace Saddam. I did not think it would lead to — and I would not have favored — a long-term occupation in order to reconstruct a society and to try to repeat the experiences of Germany and Japan in a country that had no comparable institutions. I even then thought that it was beyond the capacity of the United States, or maybe anybody, to turn Iraq into a Western-style democracy."
     
    Beside Friedman's bizarre invocation of a Pottery Barn doctrine, I think the other aspect that brought about this subtle but fatal shift of objective was that after the Leftish Media (I repeat myself, I know) failed to stop the invasion train from leaving the station, it occurred to them that if they couldn't prevent the train from leaving the station, they could at least derail it, by changing it from a military invasion into a sort of (armed) social worker intervention. In this they were spectacularly successful. After the rapid success of the Rumsfeld blitzkrieg, the media editorializing quickly took on a pseudo-noble, morally extortionate tone: that this must be about helping the Iraqis, not about anything so base as preventing America from getting nuked, sarin-ed or bioweaponed. Unfortunately the Bush administration seemed to fall for this and the military objective imperceptibly shifted from shutting down a threat, to forcing Iraqis to attain an unattainable NY Times version of niceness.

    This incidentally answers Arclight's question above (#32?) of why no one in the media ever asks anyone in government why the US military is still involved in these countries. The major media labored mightily to create this situation where the most powerful military in the world is absorbed in the most pointless project in the world. If they allow anyone to notice it, someone might change it. This is also why military-hating John Kerry reiterated this Pottery Barn nonsense so prominently in his 2004 campaign. The Left knew they had Bush and the Mil-Cons in a double bind, and they like it that way.

    Generally agree, though I think it was Colin Powell who first said, “You break it, you own it”. Let’s remember too that the nation building was a scheme of the State Department (can’t remember who was the Secretary of State offhand) which installed the disastrous Paul Bremer, over the objections of DoD, who ran Iraq single-handedly for over a year. Of course, Dubya approved all this stupidity, so it is finally his fault.

  211. @Grandpa Jack
    But... didn't Mexicans invent the nacho? Didn't Garrett Morgan kinda sorta invent one of the first traffic lights? Didn't Ooo'ktcha in Ethiopia in 507,492 BC use the first spear? Okay, he didn't make it, he found a broken tree branch after a storm, but still..... it required at least a spark of insight to use it, right?

    So who's to say that a brown world would be Detroit. With all this innovation, surely a brown world would achieve Camden.

    “So who’s to say that a brown world would be Detroit. With all this innovation, surely a brown world would achieve Camden.”

    LMAO.

  212. @SPMoore8
    In the runup to the Iraq War, it was not only claimed that Saddam Hussein had WMD's, it was also claimed that
    (1) his sons had "rape rooms" in which they had sexually assaulted Iraqi women,
    (2) that Saddam "supported terrorism" because he was giving $25 K in compensation to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers,
    (3) that his sons had a wood chipper that they used to torture their enemies, that they would put you in feet first, but head first if they were being merciful,
    (4) that Saddam was attempting to buy large quantities of Nigerian yellowcake (Uranium oxide),
    (5) that Chalabi was anticipated to be the new leader of Iraq by the pervasive underground, and would be greeted with flowers,
    (7) that the invasion would be over quickly and with Chalabi being the guy, there would be no anarchy, which is why the looting of the Baghdad Museum was such a surprise (to Rumsfeld, at any rate)
    (8) even if it turned out that the US had to stay for "awhile", that would be OK, since, after all, we created democracy in both Germany and Japan overnight (false for multiple reasons)
    (9) Since the US would be in and out as soon as "major combat" was over, and GWB had landed on an aircraft carrier, we didn't need a particularly large force commitment in Iraq,
    (10) Because of reasons (7)-(9) there wouldn't be any problem with civil war, guerilla war, insurgencies, and so on, and only defeatist generals would insist that we needed more boots on the groud,
    (11) Once the war began, every time someone found an Iraqi gas mask or a barrel full of fertilizer or pesticides it was breathlessly proclaimed through the media as "proof of WMD's."
    (12) By the way, worth mentioning, before the ultimatum for Saddam to comply with UN mandates expired, we still attempted to kill him, which was not only a questionably justifiable attempt to assassinate a head of state but also was just another preview for the "Shock 'n' Awe" tactics that would supposedly make the war quick, painless, and bloodless.

    The Iraq War just might have the biggest blunder by the US government in my lifetime, and I lived through Vietnam. But at least I got my "The Surge Worked!" t-shirt.

    “The Iraq War just might have the biggest blunder by the US government in my lifetime, and I lived through Vietnam. But at least I got my “The Surge Worked!” t-shirt.”

    How old were you when the Vietnam war ended in 1975?

    • Replies: @Spmoore8
    20s and in service USMC E4 0311
  213. @Dave Pinsen
    Obviously, Afghanistan has been a long and pointless project for the US and NATO, but for a tiny fraction of the money spent on other stuff, the West could have set up a cosmetology infrastructure to make Afghan women more attractive to men.

    You miss the point. Women must remained in the house, and be heavily covered if they’re out.

    This ensures for a man that he will be the father of the children his wife has.

    The men can be more blasé about other partners, boys and goats. These aren’t ever going to have his children.

    As far the use of boys goes, this follows a venerated custom (all the way from Ancient Greece to modern prisons). It’s not considered to be homosexual provided the man takes the “male” role.

    With current custom in the West (except in prisons) it doesn’t matter which one of a pair takes the male role.

  214. @AndrewR
    This took me a long time to conclude but, at the core, white American leftists' primary motivation is to avoid being called racist. This motivation trumps their self-preservation and even the preservation of their descendants.

    "So what if some Pashtun rapes my 8 year old boy? At least I won't get called a racist anytime soon!"

    Being called a racist has become what “the evil eye” is many other cultures.

    Just proving that a certain irrationality is built into our nature and if the evil eye is discredited, a substitution will emerge.

    In the same fashion, Hitler takes the place of Satan for those who reject religion.

  215. @Jefferson
    "The Iraq War just might have the biggest blunder by the US government in my lifetime, and I lived through Vietnam. But at least I got my “The Surge Worked!” t-shirt."

    How old were you when the Vietnam war ended in 1975?

    20s and in service USMC E4 0311

  216. @yaqub the mad scientist
    BLM is the new Westboro Baptist Church.

    Far worse. No major politicians openly showed solidarity with WBC

  217. @Harry Baldwin
    I hesitated to post my correction as I appreciate your comments and don't want to be a dick, but I've noticed you make this typo consistently. It's not really important and I'm relieved you responded with good humor.

    Haha, I am not actually sure why, but I also noticed I started doing it a few months ago, and I catch it about half the time. Maybe I will just switch to frontera-abiertistas.

  218. “Well in fairness those are clearly the best and most important of any nation, as a broad generalisation.

    The reasonably successful (socially speaking), responsible ones with a direct stake in the stability and future of the nation”

    That is just a value judgement on your part. They are “better” why? Because they are similar to you, with an outlook on life similar to yours. There are millions of people who have no interest in getting married and having kids, and someone like Sailer considers them to be a lesser consideration.

    “Stability and future of the nation.”. You are starting from the notion that the value of the “nation” is something of supreme importance. I personally consider nationalism to be responsible for the majority of the suffering in this World. Most wars are started between nation-states, and for nationalist reasons. The “Future”. What do you mean by this? Obviously, the future of married people with kids. You don’t care one bit about the future of any other type of people.

    • Replies: @Randal

    That is just a value judgement on your part.
     
    Yes, obviously.

    You are starting from the notion that the value of the “nation” is something of supreme importance.
     
    Yes, obviously.
  219. @MEH 0910

    Well, I guess that’s one way for you to rationalize being a catamite.
     
    Actually, if Sick Duck was into underage sex, it would be necessary to coin the new word "kittenamite" to describe him. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's carnally interested only in adult cats.

    I’ve heard of cougar hunters, sir, but that is simply ridiculous.

  220. @Anonymous Nephew
    Ey-up, as they say in that neck of the woods.

    "Neo-Nazi links of man suspected of murdering MP Jo Cox are revealed"

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/revealed-neonazi-links-of-man-suspected-of-murdering-mp-jo-cox-a3274356.html


    "Evidence obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which monitors far right groups, appears to show Mair bought a manual from the National Alliance in 1999 that included instructions on how to build a pistol.

    The SPLC printed receipts which seem to show he purchased a number of books and periodicals from the organisation and gave an address for delivery on the Fairbank Estate in Birstall.

    Among his purchases from National Vanguard Books, the NA’s printing arm, were said to be manuals that instruct readers on the “Chemistry of Powder & Explosives,” “Incendiaries,” and a work called “Improvised Munitions Handbook.”

    The last handbook included detailed instructions for constructing a “Pipe Pistol For .38 Caliber Ammunition” using components that can be purchased from “nearly any hardware store.”

    The .38 caliber pistol is described as having a lethal range of 30 metres."
     

    Back in the 1970s the "alternative press" (and Private Eye magazine IIRC) used to have adverts for books like "The Anarchist's Cookbook", improvised weapons manuals which seemed to be targeted at lefties.

    It is lawful in the United States, although of course not in the UK, for anyone not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm, to make his or her own gun. Firearms made from improvised materials are popularly known as “zip guns”, and while most are unsafe to shoot, a safe single shot pistol can be made from automobile parts, bedsprings, et al, if one has at least a drill press and is willing to learn the art of hand filing to the standards it was taught from Victorian times in the railroad shops to the early 1950s for certain naval rates and even to this day in the shops of British shotgun makers such as Purdeys.

    There is a fair bit of modern literature on the subject today.

    I don’t recall National Alliance Books (from which I purchased several titles in their mid-1990s heyday) selling these titles. The major suppliers were Paladin Press and Loompanics, both of which were also in the US. A web search (and may I recommend duckduckgo or a similar search engine, as Google will send you on a bit of a wild goose chase) will turn up a great deal.

    • Replies: @Randal

    Firearms made from improvised materials are popularly known as “zip guns”, and while most are unsafe to shoot, a safe single shot pistol can be made from automobile parts, bedsprings, et al, if one has at least a drill press and is willing to learn the art of hand filing to the standards it was taught from Victorian times in the railroad shops to the early 1950s for certain naval rates and even to this day in the shops of British shotgun makers such as Purdeys.
     
    What impressed me was that initial reports said he fired three shots in quick succession, from a gun described as "home made" looking, and as "something like a shotgun".

    I'm no expert, but I can see how a one shot "zip gun" could be made relatively easily (I've seen plenty of examples in museums - the excellent Royal Armouries museum at Leeds has some fine examples of improvised weapons), but something that will work to fire three shots without manual reloading seems to me like a rather more sophisticated project.
    , @Randal

    something that will work to fire three shots without manual reloading seems to me like a rather more sophisticated project.
     
    Could have been a relatively simple three barrel, three trigger affair, I suppose. Pretty unwieldy I'd have thought (again, though, there are a number of examples of multi-barrel guns at the RA, iirc - check out this bizarre and fantastic toy, by the way), unless it was a very small calibre.

    Any way, some decent fabrication work for a man working at home, alone.
  221. @Lot
    Speaking for myself and probably others making the same typo, I understanding which is witch, however when typing fast I randomly substitute homophones.

    This one in particular is easy to make, because the first sound of the word "border" is also a common word, "board" but "bord" is not. So it is natural for me at least to type boarder.

    I hope this explanation did make you boreder than you were before you read it.

    I always thought it was a deliberate pun to invoke the image of pirates climbing over the gunwhale looking for booty.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Gunwhale doesn't work as a homophone.

    Yours pedantically,
  222. @Hippopotamusdrome
    I always thought it was a deliberate pun to invoke the image of pirates climbing over the gunwhale looking for booty.

    Gunwhale doesn’t work as a homophone.

    Yours pedantically,

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Gunwhale: It's what you rest your gun on while shooting at whales.
  223. @PiltdownMan
    Gunwhale doesn't work as a homophone.

    Yours pedantically,

    Gunwhale: It’s what you rest your gun on while shooting at whales.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Touché.

    "Gun" + "whale" = thoughtcrime in 2016.
  224. @Former Darfur
    It is lawful in the United States, although of course not in the UK, for anyone not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm, to make his or her own gun. Firearms made from improvised materials are popularly known as "zip guns", and while most are unsafe to shoot, a safe single shot pistol can be made from automobile parts, bedsprings, et al, if one has at least a drill press and is willing to learn the art of hand filing to the standards it was taught from Victorian times in the railroad shops to the early 1950s for certain naval rates and even to this day in the shops of British shotgun makers such as Purdeys.

    There is a fair bit of modern literature on the subject today.

    I don't recall National Alliance Books (from which I purchased several titles in their mid-1990s heyday) selling these titles. The major suppliers were Paladin Press and Loompanics, both of which were also in the US. A web search (and may I recommend duckduckgo or a similar search engine, as Google will send you on a bit of a wild goose chase) will turn up a great deal.

    Firearms made from improvised materials are popularly known as “zip guns”, and while most are unsafe to shoot, a safe single shot pistol can be made from automobile parts, bedsprings, et al, if one has at least a drill press and is willing to learn the art of hand filing to the standards it was taught from Victorian times in the railroad shops to the early 1950s for certain naval rates and even to this day in the shops of British shotgun makers such as Purdeys.

    What impressed me was that initial reports said he fired three shots in quick succession, from a gun described as “home made” looking, and as “something like a shotgun”.

    I’m no expert, but I can see how a one shot “zip gun” could be made relatively easily (I’ve seen plenty of examples in museums – the excellent Royal Armouries museum at Leeds has some fine examples of improvised weapons), but something that will work to fire three shots without manual reloading seems to me like a rather more sophisticated project.

  225. @Nick Diaz
    @Randal

    "Well in fairness those are clearly the best and most important of any nation, as a broad generalisation.

    The reasonably successful (socially speaking), responsible ones with a direct stake in the stability and future of the nation"

    That is just a value judgement on your part. They are "better" why? Because they are similar to you, with an outlook on life similar to yours. There are millions of people who have no interest in getting married and having kids, and someone like Sailer considers them to be a lesser consideration.

    "Stability and future of the nation.". You are starting from the notion that the value of the "nation" is something of supreme importance. I personally consider nationalism to be responsible for the majority of the suffering in this World. Most wars are started between nation-states, and for nationalist reasons. The "Future". What do you mean by this? Obviously, the future of married people with kids. You don't care one bit about the future of any other type of people.

    That is just a value judgement on your part.

    Yes, obviously.

    You are starting from the notion that the value of the “nation” is something of supreme importance.

    Yes, obviously.

  226. @Former Darfur
    It is lawful in the United States, although of course not in the UK, for anyone not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm, to make his or her own gun. Firearms made from improvised materials are popularly known as "zip guns", and while most are unsafe to shoot, a safe single shot pistol can be made from automobile parts, bedsprings, et al, if one has at least a drill press and is willing to learn the art of hand filing to the standards it was taught from Victorian times in the railroad shops to the early 1950s for certain naval rates and even to this day in the shops of British shotgun makers such as Purdeys.

    There is a fair bit of modern literature on the subject today.

    I don't recall National Alliance Books (from which I purchased several titles in their mid-1990s heyday) selling these titles. The major suppliers were Paladin Press and Loompanics, both of which were also in the US. A web search (and may I recommend duckduckgo or a similar search engine, as Google will send you on a bit of a wild goose chase) will turn up a great deal.

    something that will work to fire three shots without manual reloading seems to me like a rather more sophisticated project.

    Could have been a relatively simple three barrel, three trigger affair, I suppose. Pretty unwieldy I’d have thought (again, though, there are a number of examples of multi-barrel guns at the RA, iirc – check out this bizarre and fantastic toy, by the way), unless it was a very small calibre.

    Any way, some decent fabrication work for a man working at home, alone.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    The Russian secret services used to issue a three barrelled "troika gun" that electrically fired one of three charges. One had a standard bullet, one was a blank and one was tipped with some dastardly poison like cyanide or botulus toxin. Several examples are in museums around the world: they must have built at least a hundred.

    It would have been within the capability of any talented "model engineer" or home shop machinist, indeed, it looks as if it were specifically designed to be made with a Palmgren style tool post attachment on a lathe.
  227. @Steve Sailer
    Gunwhale: It's what you rest your gun on while shooting at whales.

    Touché.

    “Gun” + “whale” = thoughtcrime in 2016.

  228. @SPMoore8
    Thank you for sharing this. The repetitiveness and emotional appeals of the column suggest it was written hurriedly. I agree, it's shoddy work.

    Naturally, here in the states where such shootings are much more common, we are used to the idea of someone attempting to leverage a tragedy for political aims, witness how the Orlando shooter was basically turned into Gavrilo Prinzip by one of the columnists at the New York Times.

    The fact that your shooting is happening just days before your vote is however much more significant, because it is possible that it could galvanize a large "martyr vote." So then there is an incentive to make sure the media determines in advance as to which side she supported.

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman. If later information -- it's really shocking to write a column like this with no information -- confirms that it was politically motivated by Brexit then that should be responsibly stated.

    On the other hand, to vote against Brexit because this attractive young mother would have done so herself, is not rational. But it is likely that many will vote that way, just the same.

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman.

    The man charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox has appeared in court.

    Thomas Mair gave his name as “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain” when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates’ Court.

    Imo, this is likely to be something of a “Reichstag Fire” moment for Britain. The pc enforcers, identity lobbyists and globalists have been moving towards criminalising free speech for some time now, and this will likely give them a pretext for enabling a genuine crackdown.

    Time to buckle up, I think.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    Thanks for the update. As you note it wouldn't be the first time an act of violence was hijacked by the existing government to suppress civil liberties. And we aren't even talking about the "martyr vote" in memory of Jo Cox.
  229. @Randal

    something that will work to fire three shots without manual reloading seems to me like a rather more sophisticated project.
     
    Could have been a relatively simple three barrel, three trigger affair, I suppose. Pretty unwieldy I'd have thought (again, though, there are a number of examples of multi-barrel guns at the RA, iirc - check out this bizarre and fantastic toy, by the way), unless it was a very small calibre.

    Any way, some decent fabrication work for a man working at home, alone.

    The Russian secret services used to issue a three barrelled “troika gun” that electrically fired one of three charges. One had a standard bullet, one was a blank and one was tipped with some dastardly poison like cyanide or botulus toxin. Several examples are in museums around the world: they must have built at least a hundred.

    It would have been within the capability of any talented “model engineer” or home shop machinist, indeed, it looks as if it were specifically designed to be made with a Palmgren style tool post attachment on a lathe.

  230. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    They aren't the lowest. Among the lowest. What's your assessment of Rifians?

    The berbers have way more middle eastern ancestry than the central asian peoples, so I don’t really know if they count. Central Asia and North India were the main areas hit by the r-1a expansion, while north africa seems to have only moderate r-1b ancestry from the early cow farmers along with more admixture from relatively light skinned general mediterrean/fertilecresent/roman ancestry.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "while north africa seems to have only moderate r-1b ancestry from the early cow farmers along with more admixture from relatively light skinned general mediterrean/fertilecresent/roman ancestry."

    Yet North Africans have more Sub Saharan African admixture than Afghans.
  231. @Randal

    In the end, without an explicit avowal of intent, the shooting should be simply seen as the act of a madman.
     
    The man charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox has appeared in court.

    Thomas Mair gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court.


    Imo, this is likely to be something of a "Reichstag Fire" moment for Britain. The pc enforcers, identity lobbyists and globalists have been moving towards criminalising free speech for some time now, and this will likely give them a pretext for enabling a genuine crackdown.

    Time to buckle up, I think.

    Thanks for the update. As you note it wouldn’t be the first time an act of violence was hijacked by the existing government to suppress civil liberties. And we aren’t even talking about the “martyr vote” in memory of Jo Cox.

  232. Evidently the Afghan immigrants in France have brought the practice of Bacha Bazi with them. Some 500 immigrant children in the Calais area (especially boys) are reported at risk of rape because Bacha Bazi is an accepted practice in the home country. Just one of many cultural peccadillos associated with massive immigration from countries whose cultural and/or religious traditions are alien to and incompatible with Western cultural, religious, and legal traditions.

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/Rape-abuse-stalk-migrant-children-in-French-slums-UN/2016/06/17/article3487317.ece

    In spite of evidence to the contrary, I just had a conversation with someone who strongly pressed that open borders and cultural “diversity” enriched a society … I’m guessing because there are more ethic restaurants to choose from. However, as many people are learning the hard way, the import and impact of having alien cultures and religions among us are more pervasive than a cinnamon glaze on a desert.

  233. “There are no black kids in our chess club”

    During the early 1960s, Hyde Park High School in Chicago had the Number 2 rating in Illinois for chess; most of the team members were Black, including a former football player who sustained an injury.

    I recall seeing an article in a foreign newspaper (English?) years ago talking about how Das Englanders were converting metal ?gas? guns (“Makarovs”) to fire live rounds. So, maybe it’s not impossible to construct semi-automatic pistols from what was available off the shelf. I know that ATF blocked people from bringing in a metal Stengun replica because apparently, you could make it function with real ammo.

    In America, you can construct an “Iron Glock” from sheet metal parts.
    http://www.boris.build/

    Just for FUN, use google image search for “Improvised Firearms” and see the cleverness of people around the world to go tell gun controllers to F-OFF.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A sizable fraction of chess players in Chicago parks (e.g., North Avenue beach) are black. At my old employer in Chicago, a half dozen guys played chess regularly at lunch: half were black.

    My vague impression is that blacks like speedier versions of chess.

    , @The most deplorable one
    Heh, so it is only the lower on the Glock that your are constructing.

    Of course, if you like unicorns and hearts you can add those:

    http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/_ak_74_/Iron%20Glock/p58.jpg
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The ammunition is probably the most difficult part of a firearm to improvise. If you have a 12-gauge shell, it's pretty easy to make a single-shot slam-fire weapon out of parts can can buy at Home Depot.
  234. @Jefferson
    "Rather than assume Mr. Mateen was a closeted sodomite (a narrative the gaystream media are trying to push)"

    Omar Mateen had a Gay dating app on his smartphone. What kind of Heterosexual guy does that?

    Do you download Gay dating apps on your smartphone?

    Omar Mateen had a Gay dating app on his smartphone. What kind of Heterosexual guy does that?

    A homicidal one who is using technology to find homosexuals to kill. The idea of mass murder may have come later.

    It’s a possibility.

  235. @Joe Stalin
    "There are no black kids in our chess club"

    During the early 1960s, Hyde Park High School in Chicago had the Number 2 rating in Illinois for chess; most of the team members were Black, including a former football player who sustained an injury.

    I recall seeing an article in a foreign newspaper (English?) years ago talking about how Das Englanders were converting metal ?gas? guns ("Makarovs") to fire live rounds. So, maybe it's not impossible to construct semi-automatic pistols from what was available off the shelf. I know that ATF blocked people from bringing in a metal Stengun replica because apparently, you could make it function with real ammo.

    In America, you can construct an "Iron Glock" from sheet metal parts.
    http://www.boris.build/

    Just for FUN, use google image search for "Improvised Firearms" and see the cleverness of people around the world to go tell gun controllers to F-OFF.

    A sizable fraction of chess players in Chicago parks (e.g., North Avenue beach) are black. At my old employer in Chicago, a half dozen guys played chess regularly at lunch: half were black.

    My vague impression is that blacks like speedier versions of chess.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    In Manhattan parks most of the chess players are black. Some definitely play tourists for money. I think that some are also playing against each other for fun. Obviously, no black person has ever won the world chess championship. I'm not aware of any who came close to it either.
    , @The most deplorable one
    In San Francisco they write computer programs in the parks and compete with each other for the best.

    More than 50% of them are black, or so I am told by Hollywood.

  236. @Steve Sailer
    A sizable fraction of chess players in Chicago parks (e.g., North Avenue beach) are black. At my old employer in Chicago, a half dozen guys played chess regularly at lunch: half were black.

    My vague impression is that blacks like speedier versions of chess.

    In Manhattan parks most of the chess players are black. Some definitely play tourists for money. I think that some are also playing against each other for fun. Obviously, no black person has ever won the world chess championship. I’m not aware of any who came close to it either.

  237. @Anonymous
    The berbers have way more middle eastern ancestry than the central asian peoples, so I don't really know if they count. Central Asia and North India were the main areas hit by the r-1a expansion, while north africa seems to have only moderate r-1b ancestry from the early cow farmers along with more admixture from relatively light skinned general mediterrean/fertilecresent/roman ancestry.

    “while north africa seems to have only moderate r-1b ancestry from the early cow farmers along with more admixture from relatively light skinned general mediterrean/fertilecresent/roman ancestry.”

    Yet North Africans have more Sub Saharan African admixture than Afghans.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    obviously, but it's not that large. Of the non-bedouin/non-saharan north africans Egyptians probably have the most sub-saharan ancestry, and that peaks at like 8-10 percent in the modern day,
  238. @Lot
    The interesting thing about the Pashtun is they once took over a pretty large empire that extended into nearly all of modern Pakistan and big parts of modern Iran and northern India.

    Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.

    The ones with striking blue eyes seem to be over-represented in photographs online, going back to the famous National Geographic cover, but here's a larger group of kids that is likely more representative:

    http://cdn.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1-790.jpg

    http://www.bestphotosite.net/photos/751092613.jpg

    By comparison, here's some large group photos of kids in Southern Spain:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K6p8UNQvuNM/VsGLA4EawQI/AAAAAAAABXA/2yReSQ3f97I/s1600/IMG-20160212-WA0011.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fseR172txwE/Vx3S3qoFj2I/AAAAAAAABrY/5pcubG5802YzEFaKzg-aJFQDuj1pnAOQgCKgB/s1600/P4220351.JPG

    “Another thing is they appear to be the lowest IQ people that have the basic European white phenotype. They have IQs well below African Americans, an economy and level of literacy similar to some of the worst parts of Africa, yet cleaned up maybe half of them are light enough to pass as Greek or Bulgarian and probably a fifth could pass as Northern European.”

    You think 1/5 or in other words 20 percent of Pashtuns look Whiter than most Italians, Jews, Spaniards, Greeks, Bulgarians, and Portuguese? No way dude.

    There is no way it is as high as 20 percent. Not many Pushtuns would make for believable Scandinavian vikings.

  239. Obviously, no black person has ever won the world chess championship. I’m not aware of any who came close to it either.

    I’m not aware of any non-white World Chess Champion other than Vishwanathan Anand, who is a Southern Indian Brahmin.

    I’m not sure about the great Raoul Capablanca, a Cuban.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m not aware of any non-white World Chess Champion other than Vishwanathan Anand, who is a Southern Indian Brahmin.

    I’m not sure about the great Raoul Capablanca, a Cuban.
     
    Obviously producing chess champions requires a high IQ population. The two candidate regions are Northern Europe (and North America), which indeed produces just about all the top level chess players, and East Asia, where as different game is played professionally in lieu of chess: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)
    , @BB753
    Google him up. Upper-class "conquistador". His father was a Spanish military officer.
  240. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Joe Stalin
    "There are no black kids in our chess club"

    During the early 1960s, Hyde Park High School in Chicago had the Number 2 rating in Illinois for chess; most of the team members were Black, including a former football player who sustained an injury.

    I recall seeing an article in a foreign newspaper (English?) years ago talking about how Das Englanders were converting metal ?gas? guns ("Makarovs") to fire live rounds. So, maybe it's not impossible to construct semi-automatic pistols from what was available off the shelf. I know that ATF blocked people from bringing in a metal Stengun replica because apparently, you could make it function with real ammo.

    In America, you can construct an "Iron Glock" from sheet metal parts.
    http://www.boris.build/

    Just for FUN, use google image search for "Improvised Firearms" and see the cleverness of people around the world to go tell gun controllers to F-OFF.

    Heh, so it is only the lower on the Glock that your are constructing.

    Of course, if you like unicorns and hearts you can add those:

  241. The most deplorable one [AKA "#Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    A sizable fraction of chess players in Chicago parks (e.g., North Avenue beach) are black. At my old employer in Chicago, a half dozen guys played chess regularly at lunch: half were black.

    My vague impression is that blacks like speedier versions of chess.

    In San Francisco they write computer programs in the parks and compete with each other for the best.

    More than 50% of them are black, or so I am told by Hollywood.

  242. Right. It was a nappy-haired black guy in his 20s who stayed up all night and saved the rescue mission in the The Martian. None of the other minorities could figure it out, and the crew cut guys with pocket protectors had all retired.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    Right. It was a nappy-haired black guy in his 20s who stayed up all night and saved the rescue mission in the The Martian.
     
    That's in the movie, not the book.

    http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2015/10/07/book-review-martian-andy-weir

    There isn’t a single person of African descent in the entire novel despite the fact that the face of NASA today is a lot more colorful than, say, the depiction represented in the decades old classic, The Right Stuff. The eponymous film does some work to correct this, but it’s odd that the book, which is focused on the near future, misses on this. With today’s Millennial generation being at once the largest, most diverse, and most integrated, it’s surprising that Weir’s work seeks cultural relevance and yet takes little to none of that pertinent social information into account.
     
  243. @Joe Stalin
    "There are no black kids in our chess club"

    During the early 1960s, Hyde Park High School in Chicago had the Number 2 rating in Illinois for chess; most of the team members were Black, including a former football player who sustained an injury.

    I recall seeing an article in a foreign newspaper (English?) years ago talking about how Das Englanders were converting metal ?gas? guns ("Makarovs") to fire live rounds. So, maybe it's not impossible to construct semi-automatic pistols from what was available off the shelf. I know that ATF blocked people from bringing in a metal Stengun replica because apparently, you could make it function with real ammo.

    In America, you can construct an "Iron Glock" from sheet metal parts.
    http://www.boris.build/

    Just for FUN, use google image search for "Improvised Firearms" and see the cleverness of people around the world to go tell gun controllers to F-OFF.

    The ammunition is probably the most difficult part of a firearm to improvise. If you have a 12-gauge shell, it’s pretty easy to make a single-shot slam-fire weapon out of parts can can buy at Home Depot.

  244. “The ammunition is probably the most difficult part of a firearm to improvise”

    That is probably true, as at least one manufacturer has come up with shell casings that can’t be reloaded. However, for assassination purposes, you could machine out your own cases. For example, during the Vietnam War, the US military came up with a silenced revolver, a .44Mag, that used a machined metal case shell. Inside the case was a piston that under some shot. When fired, the piston was contained along with combustion products, thus producing a silenced revolver. This was called the “QSP.”

    http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/06/tunnel-rat-pistol-qsp-revolver-0

  245. @Jefferson
    "while north africa seems to have only moderate r-1b ancestry from the early cow farmers along with more admixture from relatively light skinned general mediterrean/fertilecresent/roman ancestry."

    Yet North Africans have more Sub Saharan African admixture than Afghans.

    obviously, but it’s not that large. Of the non-bedouin/non-saharan north africans Egyptians probably have the most sub-saharan ancestry, and that peaks at like 8-10 percent in the modern day,

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "obviously, but it’s not that large. Of the non-bedouin/non-saharan north africans Egyptians probably have the most sub-saharan ancestry, and that peaks at like 8-10 percent in the modern day,"

    Why do so many Egyptians look like Mulattos?
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/47/151866917_431db11951.jpg
  246. @Jim Don Bob
    Right. It was a nappy-haired black guy in his 20s who stayed up all night and saved the rescue mission in the The Martian. None of the other minorities could figure it out, and the crew cut guys with pocket protectors had all retired.

    Right. It was a nappy-haired black guy in his 20s who stayed up all night and saved the rescue mission in the The Martian.

    That’s in the movie, not the book.

    http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2015/10/07/book-review-martian-andy-weir

    There isn’t a single person of African descent in the entire novel despite the fact that the face of NASA today is a lot more colorful than, say, the depiction represented in the decades old classic, The Right Stuff. The eponymous film does some work to correct this, but it’s odd that the book, which is focused on the near future, misses on this. With today’s Millennial generation being at once the largest, most diverse, and most integrated, it’s surprising that Weir’s work seeks cultural relevance and yet takes little to none of that pertinent social information into account.

  247. @Jefferson
    Black Lies Matter issues a statement saying that Omar Mateen was not a Muslim terrorist, he was a White supremacist because he was born in The United States. Apparently being born on Magic Dirt turns Afghans into Europeans.
    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Black-Lives-Matter-Issues-Powerful-Statement-After-Orlando-20160615-0035.html

    They also blame patriarchy as a White supremacist invention. Apparently patriarchy does not exist in Muslim countries where men can stone women to death and have as many wives at the same time as they want.

    Black Lies Matter also hijacks a vigil in Orlando to go on a rant about how White people are the most evil creatures on the planet.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/15/black-lives-matter-hijack-orlando-shooting-vigil-attack-white-attendees/

    Black Lies Matter are obsessed with White people. It's a sickness. I wonder what percentage of Black Lies Matter suffer from mental illness?

    What Black Lies Matter has in common with ISIS is that they both hate White Western culture.

    as many wives at the same time .

    No, it’s four max. Additional women are concubines, who presumably have even less(??) autonomy than wives.

  248. @Luke Lea
    "That article was about “bacha poshas”, girls dressed up as boys. There’s also a custom in the mountains of Albania for families without male children to have a daughter take on a male identity in order to perform tasks forbidden to women, but this is for life. There’s a recent film about that titled “Sworn Virgin”, which is also what the girls who take on the identity are called."

    I understand that Albania is now a member of NATO. How did that happen?

    I understand that Albania is now a member of NATO.

    Catch up now or you will be surprised again when Sri Lanka and the Malagasy Republic join.

  249. @RonaldB
    I don't know if you caught Jared Taylor's speech at the American Renaissance convention, but he said that while they undoubtedly had problems with Jewish groups [breaking down white consciousness], some of their most important supporters were Jews.

    So, the tendency to try to lump Jews all together is self-defeating.

    Having said that, you can see that 70% of US Jews supported Obama in his second election.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    I think Israel is very functional the way it is. It is a rock of stable borders, a showcase of (more-or-less) Western values, a high-tech sanctuary supplying much valuable technology, and a homeland for productive but contentious Jews who have crafted a highly functional environment for themselves and the Christians and Muslims under their protection.

    There are many reasons to support Israel, but probably one of the best is that in the dissolution of Israel, the bulk of the population would migrate to the US. With that sort of voting pattern, you can kiss the chances of electing a real Republican goodbye.

    Surely the jewish population of Israel would be too little, assuming they all went to the US, to swing an election? Perhaps their political influence would be vested in something other than sheer numbers?

  250. @Dave Pinsen

    That is particularly the case with some highly Christianized East Asian groups such as Koreans (who, not coincidentally, also display much higher rates of cultural and civic assimilation than the Chinese and the Indians in the U.S.).
     
    I dunno about that. Anecdotal, but where I live, Korean is one of the three languages of the signs at our local polling place. Koreans are highly Christianized, but they have their own congregations. They also have their own restaurants, bars, big box stores (H-Mart), etc.

    I dunno about that. Anecdotal, but where I live, Korean is one of the three languages of the signs at our local polling place. Koreans are highly Christianized, but they have their own congregations. They also have their own restaurants, bars, big box stores (H-Mart), etc.

    The following is based on the Mahattan Institute data: https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f010fcdcee8d01f222d9b9cecb689dd?convert_to_webp=true

    As you can see, only Canadians and Filipinos exceed Koreans in cultural assimilation (Cubans are similar to Koreans). Meanwhile Chinese and Indians display the lowest rates of cultural assimilation (despite the fact that Indians start out with some English ability, which should be a tremendous advantage in cultural assimilation).

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "despite the fact that Indians start out with some English ability, which should be a tremendous advantage in cultural assimilation)."

    Indians are like Arab Muslims in that when they move to Western countries, most of them do not give their European, Canadian, Australian, Kiwi, or American born anchor babies Western first names.
  251. @anonymous
    obviously, but it's not that large. Of the non-bedouin/non-saharan north africans Egyptians probably have the most sub-saharan ancestry, and that peaks at like 8-10 percent in the modern day,

    “obviously, but it’s not that large. Of the non-bedouin/non-saharan north africans Egyptians probably have the most sub-saharan ancestry, and that peaks at like 8-10 percent in the modern day,”

    Why do so many Egyptians look like Mulattos?

  252. @Twinkie

    I dunno about that. Anecdotal, but where I live, Korean is one of the three languages of the signs at our local polling place. Koreans are highly Christianized, but they have their own congregations. They also have their own restaurants, bars, big box stores (H-Mart), etc.
     
    The following is based on the Mahattan Institute data: https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f010fcdcee8d01f222d9b9cecb689dd?convert_to_webp=true

    As you can see, only Canadians and Filipinos exceed Koreans in cultural assimilation (Cubans are similar to Koreans). Meanwhile Chinese and Indians display the lowest rates of cultural assimilation (despite the fact that Indians start out with some English ability, which should be a tremendous advantage in cultural assimilation).

    “despite the fact that Indians start out with some English ability, which should be a tremendous advantage in cultural assimilation).”

    Indians are like Arab Muslims in that when they move to Western countries, most of them do not give their European, Canadian, Australian, Kiwi, or American born anchor babies Western first names.

  253. @PiltdownMan

    Obviously, no black person has ever won the world chess championship. I’m not aware of any who came close to it either.
     
    I'm not aware of any non-white World Chess Champion other than Vishwanathan Anand, who is a Southern Indian Brahmin.

    I'm not sure about the great Raoul Capablanca, a Cuban.

    I’m not aware of any non-white World Chess Champion other than Vishwanathan Anand, who is a Southern Indian Brahmin.

    I’m not sure about the great Raoul Capablanca, a Cuban.

    Obviously producing chess champions requires a high IQ population. The two candidate regions are Northern Europe (and North America), which indeed produces just about all the top level chess players, and East Asia, where as different game is played professionally in lieu of chess: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)

  254. @PiltdownMan

    Obviously, no black person has ever won the world chess championship. I’m not aware of any who came close to it either.
     
    I'm not aware of any non-white World Chess Champion other than Vishwanathan Anand, who is a Southern Indian Brahmin.

    I'm not sure about the great Raoul Capablanca, a Cuban.

    Google him up. Upper-class “conquistador”. His father was a Spanish military officer.

  255. What I notice about American born Indians is that the vast majority of them sound like White Americans when they speak English, even if they are dark as midnight. Most of them do not have a distinct sounding voice like most African Americans.

    I have heard dark skin American born Indian women who sound like Taylor Swift and dark skin American born Indian men who sound like The Jonas Brothers when they speak.

    If they are born in The U.S, you can’t tell they are Indian by speaking with them on the phone. But most of the time you can tell if you are speaking with an African American on the phone.

    Most American born Indians have Caucasian voices, lol.

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