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Back in the 1940s, psychologist William H. Sheldon developed a theory that there were three general body types — skinny ectomorphs, strong mesomorphs, and fat endomorphs — and associated personalities.
It was highly popular for awhile. As part of a research project involving, among other concerns, body type, huge numbers of Yale students were photographed naked. This later came to be considered scandalous and the pictures were shredded (so Hillary has nothing to worry about.) (As I’ve mentioned before, recent generations are less likely to put up with official demands for public nakedness that were common for those growing up in the middle of the 20th Century — high school students, for example, don’t much shower after gym classes anymore.)
Nowadays, nobody believes in Sheldon’s pseudo-scientific stereotypes. They are totally discredited! Except maybe among movie casting directors, directors, and actors (who, at least since Raging Bull in 1980, routinely change their shape to get into their roles), but they’re not talking. For example, Bradley Cooper switched from David O. Russell’s blue state movies, where he’s thin and twitchy, to Clint Eastwood’s red state American Sniper by adding 40 pounds.
And some social scientists who recently found that muscularity correlates with political self-interestedness. On the question of wealth redistribution, strong rich men tend to be against it and strong poor men tend to be for it.
The latter Jimmy Hoffaesque kind of leftist ideology has long been out of style, but Bernie Sanders has managed to revive it in a certain form, perhaps because he looks like an ectomorphic distance runner and thus doesn’t set off as many alarms. However, the phenomenon of Bernie Bros has worried Hillary supporters, who complain that young college girls are supporting Bernie because good looking college boys with lots of education debt prefer him to Hillary. (It’s almost as if girls and boys aren’t truly natural enemies, the way feminist doctrine has revealed.)
Donald Trump’s shape, however, sets off alarms even though his policy ideas tend to be centrist, perhaps because he’s mesomorphic. (Is he wearing a bulletproof vest, which would add to the look of upper body strength? That would be a good Jezebel-type article: Why It’s Unfair that Hillary Can’t Wear a Bulletproof Vest and Conform to Society’s Lookist Gender Stereotypes.)
My impression is that distance runners tend to be liberal, weightlifters conservative or libertarian. This would fit with my separate impression that conservatives tend to have concentric loyalties and liberals have leapfrogging loyalties.
One obvious question is: how much of this connection between muscularity and ideology, assuming it replicates, is nature and how much is nurture. Can you socially construct an electorate with a body shape more conducive to agreeing with your ideas? But what’s cause and what’s effect? Back in 2012, I proposed:
My point, though, is that the proposition that different types of exercise could drive political views could be ethically tested on college students by offering free personal trainers. Randomly assign some volunteers to the weightlifting trainer, others to the running trainer, and measure if their attitudes change along with their shapes.
As Obama’s calculatedly divisive 2012 campaign demonstrates, the future of politics may look much stranger than what we’re familiar with. The parties will likely want to research how they can mold their own voters.
There is a play produced in 1965 titled “Captain Fantastic meets the Ectomorph”. I acted out scenes from it in my high school drama class. The play is pretty funny, but out of print.
I grew up in New Haven and when I was a kid I took swimming classes at the Yale Gym. This was in the late ’50s, early ’60s. We had to swim naked. I was very uncomfortable about it.
In 1963 my family took a European tour. In Sweden, children up to the age of 8 or 9 were naked on the beach. I was only a few years older, so this startled me.
The pendulum may have swung a bit too far in the other direction lately.
Fitness related topics inevitably turn to exercise advice. My favorite squat variation:
Posterior Anchor Clench with Power Scream. Gets the local treadmill hausfraus’ attention.
Really, is that a real exercise name?
Could someone define “concentric loyalties and liberals have leapfrogging loyalties.”
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And actually, everybody is conservative about that with which they are most familiar.
leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it's axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites (who can't seem to keep up with the importance of stylish clothes or virtue signalling) and skips across the ocean to the presumably oppressed blacks and browns of other continents.
Leapfroggers all tend to inhabit majority-white gated communities.
Thanks, Steve. Since I first discovered his book (title not remembered) in the early-mid ’80s, I’ve been stereotyping…evaluating his hypotheses. I am not responsible for his discrediting. All classification systems are flawed, but I believe his to be quite useful.
I can’t find the link, but there is research indicating that more conservative and feminine women tend to be attracted to muscular men. In contrast liberal women prefer a longer, leaner body type. This would imply that assertive mating over time would result in men with strong fathers having conservative mothers. Since both factors are hereditable, we’d expect strong men to hold conservative attitudes.
At least I hope you do. "Assertive" calls to mind Bill-and-Paula, if not Bill-and-Juanita.
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http://takimag.com/article/the_self_righteous_hive_mind_steve_sailer/print#axzz42q3sj7x4
Trump isn’t a mesomorph. I work with a lot of mesomorphs – the kinds of guys who look like they’re wearing bulletproof vests even when they aren’t – and he doesn’t even come close. Maybe he’s a mesomorph by contemporary politicians’ standards, but that isn’t saying much.
Once I shook the hand of a Seattle city councilman, and I swear I’ve never felt a more limp-wristed, noodle fingered, soft-palmed handshake in my life. It was this guy. I went to DC about ten years ago, and I remember seeing people who worked there jogging on the Mall. They didn’t look like normal human beings. They were like George Orwell’s beetle people of 1984.
America is divided this way:
There are those who shower before work, and those who shower after work. The former are weak and cloistered and command disproportionate bureaucratic power, while the latter are strong and elemental yet almost totally lacking in representation. This is a revolutionary set of circumstances, and it isn’t the first time it’s happened — not by a longshot. It will probably end the way these things usually do.
The funny thing is that a lot of them were often decked out in REI or Filson gear as if they were some rugged sportsmen or longshoremen. More often than not it was all posing. They'd go pale at seeing guns or fights.
And to think Seattle was once a real blue collar city.
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Conservatives hate humanity and love humans. Liberals hate humans and love humanity.
And actually, everybody is conservative about that with which they are most familiar.
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concentric loyalties run along the lines of “me against my family, my family against the tribe, my tribe against the world.” Your loyalty in such a world view is firmly centered in the most immediate and local context and the further out someone or some entity is, the less claim it has upon your blood, treasure or political concern. This describes the conservative position.
leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it’s axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites (who can’t seem to keep up with the importance of stylish clothes or virtue signalling) and skips across the ocean to the presumably oppressed blacks and browns of other continents.
Leapfroggers all tend to inhabit majority-white gated communities.
Trump has been endorsed by both paleoconservative Nixon aide, Pat Buchanan, as well Political Dark Arts Ninja/ Florida Swinger Sex Party Enthusiast/ General Conspiratorial Mad Man, Roger Stone who also made his bones in the Nixon Administration. "Stone Zone" is quite the piece of work with what is likely the most impressive Richard Nixon back tattoo on the planet Earth.
http://stonezone.com/docs/NewYorker-Toobin-Stone.pdf
http://stonezone.com/article.php?id=548
Traditionally, labor unions were anti-immigration for obvious reasons in order to limit competition, but now that most union members work for government, immigration is no longer a source of labor competition, but instead a source of social disfunction that will lead to more government employment.
That depends on the type of the weightlifter. I’ve found a lot of bodybuilding types to be quite effeminate.
And I suppose combat sports athletes tend to be authoritarians.
So much of contemporary politics is really people replaying high school and trying to come out on top this time.
As I say to the guys at the gym mildly startled by the weight an old barrel-chested guy can throw around, "Do you watch the World's Strongest Man competitions on ESPN? Do the guys competing mostly look like Schwarzenegger or do they look like me?".
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Probably an easy way to illustrate is the Left’s fetishizing (to the extent their expressions are sincere) illegals and refugees and favoring them over fellow American citizens a quarter mile from their own homes.
Naturally big muscles mean high testosterone mean likely masculinized mind, the most important steps of which take place before and after birth
Masculinized mind means larger amygdala et al, means more conservative views. Conservative for themselves, that is
It may have more to do with her local dating pool. An upper-middle-class woman may not find many mesomorphs in her college classes. The guy who’s taking a women’s studies course is most likely to be an ectomorph. Mesomorphs are probably in business courses, which don’t appeal to her, and she isn’t going to sign up for those courses. She may want to date the jocks, but they’re on a different part of campus, or she never crosses paths with them because they’re taking jock courses like History of Physical Education, or she doesn’t hang out in the gym, or they’re already claimed by faster-footed girlfriends.
In other words, she dates what she crosses paths with. You can go to college with a thousand people and never get to know more than ten of them well enough to consider dating them. I doubt it has anything to do with inherent body type. Shared mutual interests play a huge part in deciding who you’re going to go out with.
My peers and I preferred women who were also athletes and, in a happy coincidence (or perhaps not coincidence), many of those athlete women were also active in Campus Crusade for Christ and other Christian organizations on campus, which were attended mainly by athletes and East Asians.
While some of my wife's non-athlete friends were dating guys who had long hair, played Ultimate Frisbee, and played guitar or sang in an a cappella group, my wife, who was a world class athlete in her sport, was not at all interested in that type. She found them repellent though she was too nice to say so. She wanted a tall, clean cut Christian athlete, and she found one and married him.
Once I shook the hand of a Seattle city councilman, and I swear I've never felt a more limp-wristed, noodle fingered, soft-palmed handshake in my life. It was this guy. I went to DC about ten years ago, and I remember seeing people who worked there jogging on the Mall. They didn't look like normal human beings. They were like George Orwell's beetle people of 1984.
America is divided this way:
There are those who shower before work, and those who shower after work. The former are weak and cloistered and command disproportionate bureaucratic power, while the latter are strong and elemental yet almost totally lacking in representation. This is a revolutionary set of circumstances, and it isn't the first time it's happened -- not by a longshot. It will probably end the way these things usually do.
What about those who shower twice a day?
Neurotics.
And I suppose combat sports athletes tend to be authoritarians.
I think the emphasis is the reverse – thin/weak men and the weak/obese type of man is seeking a means of undermining Joe Football’s natural advantages and successes while appropriating them for himself. Ironically, leftie types tend to be really, really bad at any sort of team concept in practice in my experience.
So much of contemporary politics is really people replaying high school and trying to come out on top this time.
Is the “strong rich men against welfare, strong poor men for welfare” study controlled for Race? That would be a rather large oversight if it were not. The white Bernie Bros that I’ve seen would definitely discredit the theory.
It would seem to me that the arguments or rationalizations of strong rich men and strong poor men against and for redistribution are nearly identical. The strong rich man (let’s choose Trump in your example) looks at the new skyscraper and says “I built this.” In a sense he has – he supplied the vision, capital, risk, etc. When someone wants to take an outsized portion of the benefit of this vision, capital and risk to give to others he objects. The strong poor man (we’ll go with Hoffa, but more likely an ironworker) looks at the new skyscraper and also says “I built this.” In a sense he has as well – he took the steel and rivets and labored to form them into a building. He feels like he’s been snookered when Trump pays N for labor, Y for materials, and then sells the thing for (N +Y) x 2. He thinks it’s unjust that the strong rich man never sweated or bled in making the skyscraper, but gets to keep the lion’s share of it.
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of "causes," but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
It was done on college boys.
Once I shook the hand of a Seattle city councilman, and I swear I've never felt a more limp-wristed, noodle fingered, soft-palmed handshake in my life. It was this guy. I went to DC about ten years ago, and I remember seeing people who worked there jogging on the Mall. They didn't look like normal human beings. They were like George Orwell's beetle people of 1984.
America is divided this way:
There are those who shower before work, and those who shower after work. The former are weak and cloistered and command disproportionate bureaucratic power, while the latter are strong and elemental yet almost totally lacking in representation. This is a revolutionary set of circumstances, and it isn't the first time it's happened -- not by a longshot. It will probably end the way these things usually do.
That photo perfectly embodies Seattle. I laughed out loud.
leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it's axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites (who can't seem to keep up with the importance of stylish clothes or virtue signalling) and skips across the ocean to the presumably oppressed blacks and browns of other continents.
Leapfroggers all tend to inhabit majority-white gated communities.
Are there examples of non-white leapfroggers? I seem to only notice this among liberal whites.
Faced with the Internet Age, cheap transportation, and most importantly of all the ruling ideological monstrosity of Multicultacracy*, Loyalty-Leapfrog-ism has gone from strength to weakness.
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* -- I would argue that Multicultacracy is not (necessarily) a direct result of the Western cultural institution of Loyalty Leapfrogging.
“What about those who shower twice a day?”
Neurotics.
Neurotics."
If the humidity is high I shower twice a day whenever I visit family members in Palm Beach and Winter Park, Florida.
Another trick is that he never buttons his suit jacket. You’re only supposed to unbutton your suit jacket when you’re sitting down, but he never buttons while standing. It makes you look taller. I thought it might be because of the bullet proof vest, but even in older clips of him back in the 80s, he doesn’t button.
Once I shook the hand of a Seattle city councilman, and I swear I've never felt a more limp-wristed, noodle fingered, soft-palmed handshake in my life. It was this guy. I went to DC about ten years ago, and I remember seeing people who worked there jogging on the Mall. They didn't look like normal human beings. They were like George Orwell's beetle people of 1984.
America is divided this way:
There are those who shower before work, and those who shower after work. The former are weak and cloistered and command disproportionate bureaucratic power, while the latter are strong and elemental yet almost totally lacking in representation. This is a revolutionary set of circumstances, and it isn't the first time it's happened -- not by a longshot. It will probably end the way these things usually do.
What about bums, who neither shower nor work?
Once I shook the hand of a Seattle city councilman, and I swear I've never felt a more limp-wristed, noodle fingered, soft-palmed handshake in my life. It was this guy. I went to DC about ten years ago, and I remember seeing people who worked there jogging on the Mall. They didn't look like normal human beings. They were like George Orwell's beetle people of 1984.
America is divided this way:
There are those who shower before work, and those who shower after work. The former are weak and cloistered and command disproportionate bureaucratic power, while the latter are strong and elemental yet almost totally lacking in representation. This is a revolutionary set of circumstances, and it isn't the first time it's happened -- not by a longshot. It will probably end the way these things usually do.
Trump doesn’t exercise and sleeps 4 hours per day. He looks like a latent mesomorph. That is, he looks like he could have added strength and mass fairly easily if he lifted when he was younger. If he and Bernie started lifting today, he would likely have more success with it, though both have pretty good genes health-wise, to be as active as they are at their ages.
Entire buildings.
This was certainly the case at my Ivy League alma mater. I was an athlete and, frankly, my fellow athletes and I found Women’s Studies (or Comparative Lit or what have you) types of young women odd and unattractive (and often smelly). They wore weird clothes, burned incense (and not the nice kind one smells at church), seem to be using drugs, and were frequently hostile and angry-looking. I remember being yelled at by a couple of them for holding doors open – “I can open the door just fine on my own, guy!” “Excuse me???!!!” – I was really bewildered the first time as my father taught me to be a gentleman. A lot of these young women baffled me greatly.
My peers and I preferred women who were also athletes and, in a happy coincidence (or perhaps not coincidence), many of those athlete women were also active in Campus Crusade for Christ and other Christian organizations on campus, which were attended mainly by athletes and East Asians.
While some of my wife’s non-athlete friends were dating guys who had long hair, played Ultimate Frisbee, and played guitar or sang in an a cappella group, my wife, who was a world class athlete in her sport, was not at all interested in that type. She found them repellent though she was too nice to say so. She wanted a tall, clean cut Christian athlete, and she found one and married him.
On the nature/nurture question, one interesting example is the venture capitalist Brad Feld. In this photo, he looks like an endomorph/mesomorph, who would benefit from some barbell training, but, instead, he runs marathons. And even ultramarathons (“The Physiological And Emotional Fallout Of My 50 Mile Race”).
So he’s an endo-mesomorph who trains like an ectomorph. Nurture bucking nature.
Once I shook the hand of a Seattle city councilman, and I swear I've never felt a more limp-wristed, noodle fingered, soft-palmed handshake in my life. It was this guy. I went to DC about ten years ago, and I remember seeing people who worked there jogging on the Mall. They didn't look like normal human beings. They were like George Orwell's beetle people of 1984.
America is divided this way:
There are those who shower before work, and those who shower after work. The former are weak and cloistered and command disproportionate bureaucratic power, while the latter are strong and elemental yet almost totally lacking in representation. This is a revolutionary set of circumstances, and it isn't the first time it's happened -- not by a longshot. It will probably end the way these things usually do.
I found men in Seattle particularly effeminate, vicious (in a catty way), and averse to physical confrontation. Very passive aggressive.
The funny thing is that a lot of them were often decked out in REI or Filson gear as if they were some rugged sportsmen or longshoremen. More often than not it was all posing. They’d go pale at seeing guns or fights.
And to think Seattle was once a real blue collar city.
For a project recently, I looked through the Facebook profiles of dozens of Seattle residents. The men were indeed all very thin and feminine looking, and just as you mentioned, almost all of them had photos of themselves in hiking gear.
On the other hand, I don't think I saw a single photo of a woman wearing make-up.
The profiles, posts and photographs of these Seattle folks were so completely different from those I see from friends in Texas that I was stunned. You would think we lived in two different cultures. :)
It goes back to my mother's old maxim that she could never trust a guy who wears gloves to rake the lawn.
Strong rich men in America used to be also Christian men and would often lead charitable endeavors.
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of “causes,” but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
I’m one of those dweeby Ectomorphs who “thinks” like your Mesomorph archetype. In fact, if I didn’t lift weights, I would easily be officially underweight according to most BMI charts. My extra layers of muscle are what push me from about 17 to 19.5.
Eating is one of my lesser pleasures (compared to the foodies who are everywhere) and I value a steady mind and temperament. There is strength in being borderline underweight but from this perverted Western perspective, only beefcakes are “strong.”
Trump wears expensive suits which tend to hide weight. I have also noticed that his ties tend to hang below belt line.
So he's an endo-mesomorph who trains like an ectomorph. Nurture bucking nature.
Several VC guys I know are naturally “pudgy” types who do a lot of “extreme” or endurance sports, e.g. triathlons. But they shy away from sports with lots of rough physical contact.
leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it's axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites (who can't seem to keep up with the importance of stylish clothes or virtue signalling) and skips across the ocean to the presumably oppressed blacks and browns of other continents.
Leapfroggers all tend to inhabit majority-white gated communities.
Interesting that left leaning Hoffa endorsed Nixon, and Trump in many ways seems like a Nixon flashback in terms of big government conservatism. Trump, like Nixon, is not much of a conservative when it comes to economic policy, but both benefit from the “Silent Majority” reacting in general disgust to Far Left rioting and social disruption. Both Nixon and Trump have “Archie Bunker” type social attitudes, but are open to interventionist economic policies.
Trump has been endorsed by both paleoconservative Nixon aide, Pat Buchanan, as well Political Dark Arts Ninja/ Florida Swinger Sex Party Enthusiast/ General Conspiratorial Mad Man, Roger Stone who also made his bones in the Nixon Administration. “Stone Zone” is quite the piece of work with what is likely the most impressive Richard Nixon back tattoo on the planet Earth.
http://stonezone.com/docs/NewYorker-Toobin-Stone.pdf
http://stonezone.com/article.php?id=548
Traditionally, labor unions were anti-immigration for obvious reasons in order to limit competition, but now that most union members work for government, immigration is no longer a source of labor competition, but instead a source of social disfunction that will lead to more government employment.
Bernie moves fast for an old guy.
The funny thing is that a lot of them were often decked out in REI or Filson gear as if they were some rugged sportsmen or longshoremen. More often than not it was all posing. They'd go pale at seeing guns or fights.
And to think Seattle was once a real blue collar city.
I went in to our local REI store to buy a winter hat last year. The door handles were converted ice axes, which was a nice touch, but the big portrait photo as you went in was a black woman rock climbing or camping or something, which I don’t think is their demographic at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/04/02/297881388/the-old-and-mysterious-practice-of-eating-dirt-revealed
I am not a sail boat guy, but my father-in-law is, so I've gone sailing with him a lot and met many of his chums and other sail boat people, and I have never seen a black couple, ever.
But that ad... apparently black people (with money) are supposed to be exactly like white people (with money).
Contrary to SWPL wisdom, a certain demographic of Hispanics enjoy the outdoors; they just fly under the radar because they play on BLM land or in the national forests as opposed to the national parks, which cost almost as much as two-star hotels now. I can't blame them. I only enter Yosemite on foot from the east side these days, so that I don't have to pay the absurd $30 entry fee. Head up to the mountains above L.A. any hot or snowy weekend, you'll find lots of Mexicans, many of whom, unfortunately, act like whites did in the 1950s when it comes to trash.
The 3 blacks I've met included 2 Marines stationed at 29 Palms, near Joshua Tree, which is where I met them. Fine mesomorphs both, fearless on lead, and enjoyable to talk with over a beer after a long day on J-tree granite. The third was a soft spoken 50+ gentlemen out scrambling in the Sierras with his mixed-race son.
I’m not so sure the feminists have that wrong, ***at the moment*** Steve. For most young White women, the non-Alpha, non-sexy, beta male White men ***are*** their natural enemies. Too placating, pedestalizing, appeasment minded, pursuing and thus subjectively devaluing the sex/mate value of the women they pursue (at least in the minds of most average women). And just as importantly, barriers to movements upwards.
After all, it is not as if the economy has created new jobs for most people outside the small and distant dot-com boom of the late 1990s; and women found them repelling for the usual reasons: insane hours, boom or bust rewards of high risk, nerdy, non dominant, non sexy men. [See the latest Sand Hill Road Venture Capitalist fired because he could not handle his stripper girlfriend who alleges he abused her -- i.e. he had sex with her while being a boring beta male nerd no doubt. She wants her $40 million dambit!]
Thus the vast majority of men, who are mostly beta male (only what, 10% of White men will be Alpha if that — having that natural sexy dominance and charisma), ***are*** the natural enemies of their female peers because the only way their female peers can get their jobs is by canning/ostracizing/removing most White men from the job market.
The job market White women desire anyway. No one complains about all male sewer workers.
Most White women will get married if they do so at all, in their thirties, and probably get divorced thereafter. Single Mommery is the wave of the future; along with the carousel of various Alphas.
This is not because women are bad, evil, or feminism brainwashed them. Its because they no longer need (for now) beta male resource support for a lifetime and beta male protection physically for a lifetime. But yeah for now in the late period welfare state before mass Third World immigration and AI take a blowtorch to resources, physical safety, and earnings/status to women, yeah sure beta males (as opposed to Alphas) ***are*** the enemy of most women. I mean, how could they not be?
I’m sure Hillary! will push something along the lines of, women can have the formal title of engineer or scientist and rush around being important and going to meetings like Madame Secretary or the Good Wife and some Indian H1-Bs or contract White beta males will do the actual work for peanuts and no credit.
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of "causes," but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
Replace that “but” with a “because” to get to the crux of the matter.
The ubiquitous Blackvertising is the present-day equivalent of Havel’s greengrocer’s sign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless
Could I at least get a shoutout when you get inspired by my comments?: http://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-needs-to-knock-off-his-pro-wrestling-style-mike-work/#comment-1358357
Steve, you spend more time at Gelman’s than I do (much to my discredit). Didn’t he find the strength-ideology correlation to be worthless some time back.
Although I recall in some of Herrnstein’s work there were significant correlations between body-type and behavior.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886910005933
http://evp.sagepub.com/content/13/1/147470491501300109.full.pdf
http://andrewgelman.com/2013/05/29/another-one-of-those-psychological-science-papers/
-Sailer posts in the comments section.
Doesn’t Trump have a very small penis though?
http://www.theonion.com/article/donald-trump-stares-forlornly-at-tiny-aged-penis-i-28589
Jesus, Steve, with this one post you just greenlighted a “Chariots of Fire” remake and a dozen similar movies that will probably not make budget but are calculated to whip up Democratic fervor.
And probably will get gyms banned for some sort of trumped up reason. E.g. Free weights will cause knee/back injuries. When free weights are outlawed, only outlaws will have free weights!
I think you mean “assortative”.
At least I hope you do. “Assertive” calls to mind Bill-and-Paula, if not Bill-and-Juanita.
I think you mean “assortative”.
At least I hope you do. “Assertive” calls to mind Bill-and-Paula, if not Bill-and-Juanita.
We don't really know the degree of assertiveness involved in a lot of insertive mating. Most of it is he said/she said.
Don’t all white people shower twice a day when it goes above 90°F?
Garrison Keillor described the late Minnesota summer as full of “three-shower days”. I know exactly what he means. We didn’t evolve for that.
Maybe she was hungry for some high-quality dirt:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/04/02/297881388/the-old-and-mysterious-practice-of-eating-dirt-revealed
Speaking of Trump’s hands, what’s his ring finger-index finger ratio?
I recently saw an ad showing a middle aged black couple sailing on a large boat.
I am not a sail boat guy, but my father-in-law is, so I’ve gone sailing with him a lot and met many of his chums and other sail boat people, and I have never seen a black couple, ever.
But that ad… apparently black people (with money) are supposed to be exactly like white people (with money).
Or a social engineering perspective: "blacks are just like us."
Of course these aren't mutually exclusive
You haven’t been to the South, have you?
Um, a lot of Midwesterners grow up vacationing in Minnesota during the summer, because of the lakes and because it is cooler than other parts of the Midwest that get very hot and muggy.
OT, but I couldn’t help but wonder of which demographic these two rude women were:
They all worked in a tight kitchen. They had to know about his kid.
I don't know the demographic of those who used the word "retard" but basically there are a lot of not particularly educated people who tend to call things by the first and most obvious name that comes to mind; it's not usually malicious.
I see that there's a campaign to ban use of the word, I guess that's sort of like banning "bitch" and "bossy" and any kind of ethnic-racial epithets.
I don't really care for "hate speech", and I don't think it should be banned, but this isn't "hate speech" it's "hurt speech", and people can be hurt by anything. Not to mention by claiming to be hurt you get attention.
I mean, look. There's such a thing as civility and there's such a thing as kindness and there's such a thing as being as stupid jerk and using words like "retard" to refer to someone else's child in their presence. But you are never going to get people to recognize the need for tact and civility in public if you make being tactless and uncivil a crime.
While I think this guy's coworkers could've extended him some more respect, what kind of pussy beta male (I hate that term but it fits here) quits a job because 2 girls were mean to him.
How damn soft is this society? How soft are we making the underbelly when someone can just up and quit a job at Chili's because they're offended? Either the wages there are pretty good and he has a nice nest egg, or the safety net is a little too plush.
I have a job that pays a heckuva lot more (presumably, but maybe not after this story) than a line cook at Chili's, and I couldn't look my family in the eye if I quit because someone was mean to me.
Besides immigration, Trumps broad appeal rests on calling these types of soft permanently offended types what they are: losers.
I am not a sail boat guy, but my father-in-law is, so I've gone sailing with him a lot and met many of his chums and other sail boat people, and I have never seen a black couple, ever.
But that ad... apparently black people (with money) are supposed to be exactly like white people (with money).
There’s a Ford commercial for one of their SUVs, I think, that features a black woman and her white boyfriend taking it somewhere to go paddle boarding or something. Black women in particular tend not to be fond of getting their hair wet. I know there are some black SWPLs, but you’re probably more likely to find them at a rock concert than out camping or surfing.
Writing careers can be fashioned from the trials and tribulations of dealing with "black hair."
It is also good for the CV when trying to gain entry to the collegiate and corporate diversity caste. A distant 2nd in value in this diversity caste milieu at the collegiate level is the proper and improper use of the n word, who or when, etc.
I posted this college debate video earlier, but recent discussions of nerdiness and Scott Adams’ influence on the culture merit the video’s reproduction in this thread. Here is how two beta male, white debate elites destroy two affirmative action black debaters at a debate at Harvard (supposedly). They basically let the black debaters do it to themselves while everyone else is embarrassed. The off-topic black argument is that all whites should kill themselves because they’re bad for humanity, or something.
http://eagnews.org/video-harvard-students-debate-whether-whites-should-kill-themselves-due-to-privilege/
Although I recall in some of Herrnstein's work there were significant correlations between body-type and behavior.
Several studies (including the ones below) have found that male muscularity and female attractiveness are inversely correlated with egalitarian attitudes. and behavior. The prevailing hypothesis is that in the ancestral environment food consumption, particularly animal protein was heavily correlated to social status. The presence of large muscles act as a cue to indicate what self-interested attitudes one should take toward social redistribution.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886910005933
http://evp.sagepub.com/content/13/1/147470491501300109.full.pdf
Obama’s an ectomorph, but maybe it’s the cigarettes.
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of "causes," but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
Charitable endeavors are still a thing for tech titans, but they are less into culture than Gilded Age moguls, and more into leapfrogging loyalties. For example, billionaire Chris Sacca, an early investor in Uber, once mentioned on Twitter that he never tips when he uses it locally. Nevertheless, he’s a big donor to Charity:Water (I don’t get the punctuation there either, but that’s how it’s written), which digs wells for villages in Africa.
I was browsing TV a week or so ago and “Something About Mary” turned up, and I noticed that they bleeped the word “retard”.
I don’t know the demographic of those who used the word “retard” but basically there are a lot of not particularly educated people who tend to call things by the first and most obvious name that comes to mind; it’s not usually malicious.
I see that there’s a campaign to ban use of the word, I guess that’s sort of like banning “bitch” and “bossy” and any kind of ethnic-racial epithets.
I don’t really care for “hate speech”, and I don’t think it should be banned, but this isn’t “hate speech” it’s “hurt speech”, and people can be hurt by anything. Not to mention by claiming to be hurt you get attention.
I mean, look. There’s such a thing as civility and there’s such a thing as kindness and there’s such a thing as being as stupid jerk and using words like “retard” to refer to someone else’s child in their presence. But you are never going to get people to recognize the need for tact and civility in public if you make being tactless and uncivil a crime.
Of course there is far more "adult" content than saying "retard" in that film. Did they cut out the "hair gel" scene?
So he's an endo-mesomorph who trains like an ectomorph. Nurture bucking nature.
I think it’s pretty tough to generalize about venture capitalists. If they come from a finance background they could well have played a physical team sports. But I would suggest most were not sporty when they were young. The coding founder turned VC will either be naturally pudgy (Andreeson/Hoffman) or skinny as a rake (Thiel/Moritz).
In my personal experience people that pick up running/triathlon later in life and are good at it tend not to have done much sport and especially not contact sport when they were younger — they do not carry any injuries, nor did they add extra muscle. Hence the jokes about rugby players trying to run marathons…
Ironically, this ability to “leapfrog” loyalties towards higher ideals than close kin groups (or their proxies) is probably the basis for Western uniqueness and greatness.
Faced with the Internet Age, cheap transportation, and most importantly of all the ruling ideological monstrosity of Multicultacracy*, Loyalty-Leapfrog-ism has gone from strength to weakness.
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* — I would argue that Multicultacracy is not (necessarily) a direct result of the Western cultural institution of Loyalty Leapfrogging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless
I don't know the demographic of those who used the word "retard" but basically there are a lot of not particularly educated people who tend to call things by the first and most obvious name that comes to mind; it's not usually malicious.
I see that there's a campaign to ban use of the word, I guess that's sort of like banning "bitch" and "bossy" and any kind of ethnic-racial epithets.
I don't really care for "hate speech", and I don't think it should be banned, but this isn't "hate speech" it's "hurt speech", and people can be hurt by anything. Not to mention by claiming to be hurt you get attention.
I mean, look. There's such a thing as civility and there's such a thing as kindness and there's such a thing as being as stupid jerk and using words like "retard" to refer to someone else's child in their presence. But you are never going to get people to recognize the need for tact and civility in public if you make being tactless and uncivil a crime.
Face it, accusations of “hate speech” and the nonsensical “triggers” imposed on White men began when other-than-white-male people with retard thoughts, retard attitudes and spouting retard statements wanted to escape responsibility for said retards thoughts, attitudes and statements. Meanwhile, take note, the White man offended by banned language (retard) hasn’t the privilege of the colored man or woman of any color to make his complaint stick. As we’ve seen, those folks of color and those with a vagina of course initiate and win a lawsuit resulting in cash and prizes. The White male of course is told to go screw and never return.
Slobs are slobs, but they want to escape accountability for it. The folks espousing hate speech regs (and safe spaces, trigger warnings, all that nonsense) are actually a very lazy lot of weak, sloppy retards. I have no use for any of them. Share your retarded notions with me, I’m going to tell you what a retard you are. It used to be doing someone a favor, to get them acting less retarded. Uttering the terms retarded and fat-ass and other verbal reactions are good for a society. Filter them out, eliminate them and you get a lazy, retarded, fat-ass society. Don’t we, with hate speech regs give people permission to be retarded, fat-ass slobs? Especially in the case of Liberal women? No one more retarded than a Liberal woman.
These are a few of my favorite things and I vote Trump.
I don’t really care. The push back against the ultra PC speech police shouldn’t be drawn between ethnic or racial lines.
While I think this guy’s coworkers could’ve extended him some more respect, what kind of pussy beta male (I hate that term but it fits here) quits a job because 2 girls were mean to him.
How damn soft is this society? How soft are we making the underbelly when someone can just up and quit a job at Chili’s because they’re offended? Either the wages there are pretty good and he has a nice nest egg, or the safety net is a little too plush.
I have a job that pays a heckuva lot more (presumably, but maybe not after this story) than a line cook at Chili’s, and I couldn’t look my family in the eye if I quit because someone was mean to me.
Besides immigration, Trumps broad appeal rests on calling these types of soft permanently offended types what they are: losers.
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of "causes," but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
I don’t understand this last comment. Trump has always been a religious Christian and is his faith has always been important to him. He has expressed this books and talks well before running for office. And I have relatives in NYC (FDNY & NYPD) who, even decades ago, talked about Trump’s generosity with people they know. The generosity is targeted directly and personally. Not leapfrogging altruism through charities.
If your going to hate on Trump, at least be honest.
typo: you’re not your
“As I’ve mentioned before, recent generations are less likely to put up with official demands for public nakedness that were common for those growing up in the middle of the 20th Century — high school students, for example, don’t much shower after gym classes anymore.”
The gym teacher/wrestling coach at my high school, who was a famous wrestling coach in the high school sports world (and in the same conference as Dennis Hastert), used to make boys do nude push ups if they were caught goofing off in the shower or locker room. He would stand over them and watch them do push ups. He would also always mention how in the 50′s and 60′s, boys would have to swim in the nude as well during gym class swimming.
Posterior Anchor Clench with Power Scream. Gets the local treadmill hausfraus’ attention.
Gets them to find another gym
I don't know the demographic of those who used the word "retard" but basically there are a lot of not particularly educated people who tend to call things by the first and most obvious name that comes to mind; it's not usually malicious.
I see that there's a campaign to ban use of the word, I guess that's sort of like banning "bitch" and "bossy" and any kind of ethnic-racial epithets.
I don't really care for "hate speech", and I don't think it should be banned, but this isn't "hate speech" it's "hurt speech", and people can be hurt by anything. Not to mention by claiming to be hurt you get attention.
I mean, look. There's such a thing as civility and there's such a thing as kindness and there's such a thing as being as stupid jerk and using words like "retard" to refer to someone else's child in their presence. But you are never going to get people to recognize the need for tact and civility in public if you make being tactless and uncivil a crime.
Meh. I think they bleeped it out so that little kids wouldn’t start saying it.
Of course there is far more “adult” content than saying “retard” in that film. Did they cut out the “hair gel” scene?
I am not a sail boat guy, but my father-in-law is, so I've gone sailing with him a lot and met many of his chums and other sail boat people, and I have never seen a black couple, ever.
But that ad... apparently black people (with money) are supposed to be exactly like white people (with money).
One could view that from an advertising perspective: they want to get blacks into sailing.
Or a social engineering perspective: “blacks are just like us.”
Of course these aren’t mutually exclusive
Our era is a fat one, which makes a quick determination difficult. There were a lot more “mesomorphs” in the 19th-century than now, many of their descendants now hiding under layers of fat.
Southerners had at one time a reputation for being lanky. The stereotypical redneck was lanky. Nobody would have accused those mesomorphs of being liberals. Think also of the dour, lanky, clannish and/or Calvinist exclusivist Scotsman. Of course, Celts also have a reputation of being impractical dreamers, although that is more of an Irish stereotype.
That said, the stocky no-nonsense character is an enduring figure in literature Also shows up in cartoons. Is this an example of writers unconsciously replicating what they were exposed to or an observation of human nature? They would probably be horrified to realize that such characterizations actually reinforce the notion that race, or geographically and genetically defined populations if one is squeamish, have real implications for personality, etc.
Has anyone ever seen a work in which a short, stocky figure is a poetic dreamer or otherwise impractical, while his lanky friend is an exuberant and/or earthy realist? I can only think of George R.R. Martin’s Quentyn Martell. I suspect Martin is channeling himself in Quentyn, as he also channels himself in Tyrion.
In 19th-century anthropology, the sturdy Alpinoid fit Steve’s ectomorph description. But back then “scientists” all made stuff up to justify colonial exploitation and none of their insights equal the musings of our learned humanities majors, i.e. our clergy.
From Trump’s new book Crippled America (Chapter 13: Values):
Although I recall in some of Herrnstein's work there were significant correlations between body-type and behavior.
He did write about a similar paper about bicep size and political attitudes among college students:
http://andrewgelman.com/2013/05/29/another-one-of-those-psychological-science-papers/
-Sailer posts in the comments section.
And Clinton is the xenomorph?
Regarding weightlifting and political leanings, I’d suggest spending time around weight lifters before jumping to that conclusion. For starters, weight lifting has many more homosexuals than society as a whole. This has been true for as long as I have been alive and that’s a long time.
As far as body type, athletics relies on this truth all the time. Body builders deny it, but steroids overcome a lot, including body types. Outside of the lab, NFL and college scouts obsess over body type, particularly for jumbo athletes. Boxing and wrestling have always relied on body typing to train athletes.
The funny thing is that a lot of them were often decked out in REI or Filson gear as if they were some rugged sportsmen or longshoremen. More often than not it was all posing. They'd go pale at seeing guns or fights.
And to think Seattle was once a real blue collar city.
Interesting observation.
For a project recently, I looked through the Facebook profiles of dozens of Seattle residents. The men were indeed all very thin and feminine looking, and just as you mentioned, almost all of them had photos of themselves in hiking gear.
On the other hand, I don’t think I saw a single photo of a woman wearing make-up.
The profiles, posts and photographs of these Seattle folks were so completely different from those I see from friends in Texas that I was stunned. You would think we lived in two different cultures.
Bernie was athletic as a teenager. He’s talked about it often in interviews.
Of course there is far more "adult" content than saying "retard" in that film. Did they cut out the "hair gel" scene?
It was after midnight so I doubt they bleeped it for the kids: hair gel scene intact.
Me on Sheldon.
In the early 2000s I was fascinated by the guy. I have all his books, including Atlas of Men. I worked up a proposal for a full biography, but no publisher wanted it. Proposed title: The Shape We’re In.
The academic psychologists I spoke to all gave curiously similar responses when I raised Sheldon with them, to the effect: “He was of course a total fraud. [Pause] … but [pause] … you know … I’ve always thought that maybe he was on to something.”
ectomorph >https://archive.org/stream/MainspringsOfCivilization#page/n61/mode/2up/search/ectomorph
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Huntington
For a project recently, I looked through the Facebook profiles of dozens of Seattle residents. The men were indeed all very thin and feminine looking, and just as you mentioned, almost all of them had photos of themselves in hiking gear.
On the other hand, I don't think I saw a single photo of a woman wearing make-up.
The profiles, posts and photographs of these Seattle folks were so completely different from those I see from friends in Texas that I was stunned. You would think we lived in two different cultures. :)
You do..
The leapfrogging loyalty is simply a group identifier. It lets other people know that they are not a racist, an ethno-centrist, or a religious partisan.
Faced with the Internet Age, cheap transportation, and most importantly of all the ruling ideological monstrosity of Multicultacracy*, Loyalty-Leapfrog-ism has gone from strength to weakness.
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* -- I would argue that Multicultacracy is not (necessarily) a direct result of the Western cultural institution of Loyalty Leapfrogging.
“Concentric loyalties” may not be the most accurate description for conservatives. It might be more accurate to say that conservatives leapfrog to a lower level than liberals do. Or that liberals actually don’t leapfrog at all but abstract from the level of the individual.
At least I hope you do. "Assertive" calls to mind Bill-and-Paula, if not Bill-and-Juanita.
I think you mean “assortative”.
At least I hope you do. “Assertive” calls to mind Bill-and-Paula, if not Bill-and-Juanita.
We don’t really know the degree of assertiveness involved in a lot of insertive mating. Most of it is he said/she said.
“bulletproof vest” – isn’t that supposed to be secret so potential low-info attackers don’t know?
And I suppose combat sports athletes tend to be authoritarians.
Yes, this needs to be further parsed to differentiate between the power lifters and the bodybuilders. They have two entirely different goals.
As I say to the guys at the gym mildly startled by the weight an old barrel-chested guy can throw around, “Do you watch the World’s Strongest Man competitions on ESPN? Do the guys competing mostly look like Schwarzenegger or do they look like me?”.
Black women in particular tend not to be fond of getting their hair wet.
Writing careers can be fashioned from the trials and tribulations of dealing with “black hair.”
It is also good for the CV when trying to gain entry to the collegiate and corporate diversity caste. A distant 2nd in value in this diversity caste milieu at the collegiate level is the proper and improper use of the n word, who or when, etc.
The funny thing is that a lot of them were often decked out in REI or Filson gear as if they were some rugged sportsmen or longshoremen. More often than not it was all posing. They'd go pale at seeing guns or fights.
And to think Seattle was once a real blue collar city.
For me it’s the financial services, lawyers, etc. guys I see on weekends strolling around town in their full Carhartt fig. Going to dig a ditch, boys?
It goes back to my mother’s old maxim that she could never trust a guy who wears gloves to rake the lawn.
"It goes back to my mother’s old maxim that she could never trust a guy who wears gloves to rake the lawn."
Last time my 70-year-old dad was in town, he was up at the crack of dawn on a 20-foot ladder cleaning out our gutters in 30-degree weather. No gloves.
Liberals are long distance runners. Makes sense, trying to run away from what they are.
The gym teacher/wrestling coach at my high school, who was a famous wrestling coach in the high school sports world (and in the same conference as Dennis Hastert), used to make boys do nude push ups if they were caught goofing off in the shower or locker room. He would stand over them and watch them do push ups. He would also always mention how in the 50's and 60's, boys would have to swim in the nude as well during gym class swimming.
The generational differences in the gym locker room are stark: 60- and 70-something guys wandering around the locker room bareassed with their towels around their shoulders and guys in their 20s changing from gym clothes to street clothes without a drop of water between.
Even elderly gays are much more likely to want to look at a 20 year old body than the 70 year old body.
Some young men get off on exhibitionism but most would prefer to not give perverts more fantasy fodder than necessary.
Hell, now that I think about it, maybe old guys are more likely to be exhibitionists.
The National Park Service Centennial celebration is in a tizzy over the lack of diversity among park visitors. I think we have to be careful here when trying to make black people go outside because that could evoke generational memories of being forced to go out in the sun and battle rocks, dirt and trees. We need a diversity compliance mediator here!
Posterior Anchor Clench with Power Scream. Gets the local treadmill hausfraus’ attention.
I heard a guy doing this in the stall next to me this morning. I think he was constipated.
Really, is that a real exercise name?
leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it's axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites (who can't seem to keep up with the importance of stylish clothes or virtue signalling) and skips across the ocean to the presumably oppressed blacks and browns of other continents.
Leapfroggers all tend to inhabit majority-white gated communities.
Let’s not forget Republicans who think advancing Israeli national interests, especially as defined by Likud, outweighs any provincial concern for US interests.
Big Man vs. Nerd
He is tall, though…no less than 6’3″.
I imagine a large part of that is old dudes don’t really have to worry about gays lustfully admiring their nude bodies.
Even elderly gays are much more likely to want to look at a 20 year old body than the 70 year old body.
Some young men get off on exhibitionism but most would prefer to not give perverts more fantasy fodder than necessary.
Hell, now that I think about it, maybe old guys are more likely to be exhibitionists.
It's not just males. Diane Keaton was quite shy about exposing herself on film 40 years ago, in her physical prime. But she was glad to do it at 57. A few other actresses went through the same process.
I need to set up interviews with casting directors. They must have the most accurate perceptions of what kinds of faces and bodies audiences will find plausible in different kinds of roles.
In recent years, though, casting agents seem to have decided that he's ideally suited for playing authority figures: the president in National Treasure: Book of Secrets, Christopher Pike in the Abrams Star Trek reboot, LA DA Gil Garcetti in The People Vs OJ Simpson, etc
Here's a documentary on the subject:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_By
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe5U7hMkRFc
Which calls to mind the cartoon which always comes up in these discussions:
Old Guys
Of course there is far more "adult" content than saying "retard" in that film. Did they cut out the "hair gel" scene?
There is nothing wrong with little kids saying “retarded” just like there is nothing wrong with them saying “lame” or “gay.” This is what little kids do. These are insults that kids use when they are too young for real curse words.
lolz. Steve, it’s really a shame you don’t tweet more often.
Even elderly gays are much more likely to want to look at a 20 year old body than the 70 year old body.
Some young men get off on exhibitionism but most would prefer to not give perverts more fantasy fodder than necessary.
Hell, now that I think about it, maybe old guys are more likely to be exhibitionists.
Mickey Rooney dropped his towel for an anti-germ ad and caused quite a stink. He was past 80.
It’s not just males. Diane Keaton was quite shy about exposing herself on film 40 years ago, in her physical prime. But she was glad to do it at 57. A few other actresses went through the same process.
Well obviously there isn’t “nothing wrong” with it. Those are mean, derogatory words that children should be discouraged from using.
But of course censoring them on late night TV is silly.
While I think this guy's coworkers could've extended him some more respect, what kind of pussy beta male (I hate that term but it fits here) quits a job because 2 girls were mean to him.
How damn soft is this society? How soft are we making the underbelly when someone can just up and quit a job at Chili's because they're offended? Either the wages there are pretty good and he has a nice nest egg, or the safety net is a little too plush.
I have a job that pays a heckuva lot more (presumably, but maybe not after this story) than a line cook at Chili's, and I couldn't look my family in the eye if I quit because someone was mean to me.
Besides immigration, Trumps broad appeal rests on calling these types of soft permanently offended types what they are: losers.
He didn’t quit, he was fired by the local manager for lodging a complaint. He turned down a transfer offer from the chain. We don’t know what his new commute would have been. Pittsburgh is full of bottlenecks.
But I want to know more. Most white workers are very careful about what they say these days, if only for prudence’s sake. So were these girls of another race– and was that the reason the manager– of what race he/she/it?– came down on the white guy instead?
And did the girls know about his disabled son? I suspect they did. That would “color” things, so to speak.
Derb once said he loved the old word “niggardly”, but out of courtesy would never use it around less-educated blacks. I’m not fussy about the word “retard” either, but would never use it around the parent of one. That manager called the wrong one into the office.
Either way, the response to being called retarded by two chicks is "suck my dick." Don't quit and whine.
Ellsworth Huntington* in Mainsprings of Civilization, talks a lot about the psychological types that are associated with the various somatic types (ecto, meso, and endo morphs).For example, he notes how Christianity has traditionally glorified the “cerebrotonic” virtues (self-restraint, self-discipline, etc), and that these are associated with the ectomorphic type (and Christ, of course, has traditionally been depicted in Western Art with a jogger’s ectomorphic body).The mesomorphic physique, in contrast, correlates with force, aggression, assertion, etc. Huntington notes how the Nazis laid great emphasis on the rectangular, mesomorphic body….
ectomorph >https://archive.org/stream/MainspringsOfCivilization#page/n61/mode/2up/search/ectomorph
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Huntington
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of "causes," but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
On Trump, go over to conservative treehouse they have tons of anecdotes of Trump’s personal generosity. Like loaning his plane to a sick girl who needed a whole plain full of equipment to go to Los Angeles for surgery.
Cf the career of Bruce Greenwood. The early part of his CV encompasses a broad range of roles: The Malibu Bikini Shop (T&A dreck), Wild Orchid (soft-core from Zalman King), Nowhere Man (TV series thriller with Greenwood as a photographer on the run from a mysterious conspiracy), etc.
In recent years, though, casting agents seem to have decided that he’s ideally suited for playing authority figures: the president in National Treasure: Book of Secrets, Christopher Pike in the Abrams Star Trek reboot, LA DA Gil Garcetti in The People Vs OJ Simpson, etc
The new limp-wristed titans of (tech) industry today are an uncharitable lot. They espouse a lot of "causes," but are not as generous with their money as the older strong rich men were in another time.
Alas, Trump seems to share the traits of the new lot rather than the old in this regard.
Your comment is wrong and you are proving yourself to be weak-minded. Charity is useless. Poor people are their own worst enemies.
It goes back to my mother's old maxim that she could never trust a guy who wears gloves to rake the lawn.
Appropriation is in most cases respect. I take it as a good sign.
“It goes back to my mother’s old maxim that she could never trust a guy who wears gloves to rake the lawn.”
Last time my 70-year-old dad was in town, he was up at the crack of dawn on a 20-foot ladder cleaning out our gutters in 30-degree weather. No gloves.
In 1963 my family took a European tour. In Sweden, children up to the age of 8 or 9 were naked on the beach. I was only a few years older, so this startled me.
The pendulum may have swung a bit too far in the other direction lately.
Me too. We had to swim naked at the YMCA in the late 50s and early 60s. I was ok with it until we got to the high dive.
Dang. You guys have all my sympathy and prayers.
The parties will likely want to research how they can mold their own voters.
In a lot of the world, they already do. It’s called the paramilitary wing of a party. My Lebanese friend spent a chunk of the 1970′s pumping iron and doing ju jitsu with the university wing of Kataeb. They weren’t bootstompers with big parades. They were cool guys on motorcycles working out and doing shooting practice before they’d go out partying on the down. I don’t think we’re two election cycles away from chaos, but we could very well be two election cycles away from what a lot parties in “diverse” (fractuous) societies do.
His system does make some sense, because, after all, it’s much easier to be a muscle-bound aggressive bully if you are a mesomorph. Just like you can’t play QB in the NFL if you are 5’9″, our bodies limit us as to what we can do. I read this book years ago and still remember it.
An old joke about nudism:
A man was making his first visit to a nudist resort. A young lady, giggling, introduces herself to him and says “I can tell that you’re new here.”
The man, embarrassed, replies “Uh – how could you tell? Is it because I keep staring?”
She replies, giggling, “No, it’s because you keep pointing!”
I suspect this joke gives a clue as to why older men are more comfortable being naked in public than younger men are.
Let me add that Sheldon did not really “develop” the concept, instead he took it (ripped it off) from a German psychiatrist called Ernst Kretschmer.
Kretschmer is also known for developing a classification system that can be seen as one of the earliest exponents of a constitutional (the total plan or philosophy on which something is constructed) approach. His classification system was based on three main body types: asthenic/leptosomic (thin, small, weak), athletic (muscular, large–boned), and pyknic (stocky, fat). (The athletic category was later combined into the category asthenic/leptosomic). Each of these body types was associated with certain personality traits and, in a more extreme form, psychopathologies.
“Kretschmer divided personality into two “constitutional groups”: Schizothymic, which contain a “Psychaesthetic proportion” between sensitive and cold poles, and Cyclothymic which contain a “Diathetic” proportion between gay and sad. The Schizoids consist of the Hyperesthetic (sensitive) and Anesthetic (Cold) characters, and the Cycloids consist of the Depressive (or “melancholic”) and Hypomanic characters.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Kretschmer
But even Kretschmer took the idea a guy called Carl Huter, who was more a philosopher and divided not only humans but all living beings into three categories: “eaters”, “feelers” and “do-ers”.
German physical anthropologists did research on the topic of constitutional types well in the 70s, but that work was hardly referenced in the English-speaking world, like e.g. Prof. Dr. Rainer Knussmann who used multivariate statistics and found that the so-called mesomorph/athlete did not exist (only large size vs. small size) but found proof for the polarity of ectomorph-endomorph. On the other hand, he only looked into skeletal differences, not the soft parts.
One thing I forgot about, which is relevant to this discussion, is that Bernie Sanders ran track in high school and apparently did well with it.
Avid climber here. In 15 years of California climbing (from J-tree to Bishop to Malibu), I have run across hundreds of whites and Asians, an admirable number of hipster mestizos, and only 3 or 4 blacks . . . hell, I’ve run into maybe 5 or 6 blacks anywhere in the mountains or deserts.
Contrary to SWPL wisdom, a certain demographic of Hispanics enjoy the outdoors; they just fly under the radar because they play on BLM land or in the national forests as opposed to the national parks, which cost almost as much as two-star hotels now. I can’t blame them. I only enter Yosemite on foot from the east side these days, so that I don’t have to pay the absurd $30 entry fee. Head up to the mountains above L.A. any hot or snowy weekend, you’ll find lots of Mexicans, many of whom, unfortunately, act like whites did in the 1950s when it comes to trash.
The 3 blacks I’ve met included 2 Marines stationed at 29 Palms, near Joshua Tree, which is where I met them. Fine mesomorphs both, fearless on lead, and enjoyable to talk with over a beer after a long day on J-tree granite. The third was a soft spoken 50+ gentlemen out scrambling in the Sierras with his mixed-race son.
Same here. I've spent time in 40 or more National Forests and BLM lands. It's not just the money. There's more freedom, they're wilder and remote, and a lot more fun with the presumption of "you're on your own- good luck".
RE; Casting Directors,
Here’s a documentary on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casting_By
Contrary to SWPL wisdom, a certain demographic of Hispanics enjoy the outdoors; they just fly under the radar because they play on BLM land or in the national forests as opposed to the national parks, which cost almost as much as two-star hotels now. I can't blame them. I only enter Yosemite on foot from the east side these days, so that I don't have to pay the absurd $30 entry fee. Head up to the mountains above L.A. any hot or snowy weekend, you'll find lots of Mexicans, many of whom, unfortunately, act like whites did in the 1950s when it comes to trash.
The 3 blacks I've met included 2 Marines stationed at 29 Palms, near Joshua Tree, which is where I met them. Fine mesomorphs both, fearless on lead, and enjoyable to talk with over a beer after a long day on J-tree granite. The third was a soft spoken 50+ gentlemen out scrambling in the Sierras with his mixed-race son.
I have a vague sense that blacks tend to be more afraid of heights.
Could this body shape study be the origin of that whole Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: He was into that whole Yale thing.
Donald Kimball: Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: Yeah, Yale thing.
Donald Kimball: What whole Yale thing?
Patrick Bateman: Well, for one thing, I think he was probably a closet homosexual who did a lot of cocaine. That whole Yale thing.
ectomorph >https://archive.org/stream/MainspringsOfCivilization#page/n61/mode/2up/search/ectomorph
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Huntington
Sheldon actually gives a somatotype for Jesus Christ somewhere, though I can’t now find the reference. By way of looking, I did turn up Michelangelo’s David (1–7.5–2 on Sheldon’s endo–meso–ecto triangle), Joe Louis (3–7–2), and male shop mannequins (2.5–4.7–3.5). See “Embodying Normalcy: Anthropometry and the Long Arm of William H. Sheldon’s Somatotyping Project” by Patricia Vertinsky in the Spring 2002 issue of Journal of Sport History.
Neurotics.
Office job where one is close to people indoors all day, plus hot climate or season = shower both morning and evening or else be malodorous, uncomfortable, and rude to coworkers or family.
Why does Bernie Sanders always raise both of his hands up in the air when he speaks? It’s like he is trying to say hands up don’t shoot.
Contrary to SWPL wisdom, a certain demographic of Hispanics enjoy the outdoors; they just fly under the radar because they play on BLM land or in the national forests as opposed to the national parks, which cost almost as much as two-star hotels now. I can't blame them. I only enter Yosemite on foot from the east side these days, so that I don't have to pay the absurd $30 entry fee. Head up to the mountains above L.A. any hot or snowy weekend, you'll find lots of Mexicans, many of whom, unfortunately, act like whites did in the 1950s when it comes to trash.
The 3 blacks I've met included 2 Marines stationed at 29 Palms, near Joshua Tree, which is where I met them. Fine mesomorphs both, fearless on lead, and enjoyable to talk with over a beer after a long day on J-tree granite. The third was a soft spoken 50+ gentlemen out scrambling in the Sierras with his mixed-race son.
Contrary to SWPL wisdom, a certain demographic of Hispanics enjoy the outdoors; they just fly under the radar because they play on BLM land or in the national forests as opposed to the national parks, which cost almost as much as two-star hotels now.
Same here. I’ve spent time in 40 or more National Forests and BLM lands. It’s not just the money. There’s more freedom, they’re wilder and remote, and a lot more fun with the presumption of “you’re on your own- good luck”.
Neurotics.
You have never lived in Florida.
“I have a vague sense that blacks tend to be more afraid of heights.”
Blacks love rollercoasters, so it is not a height thing. Blacks just don’t like rural areas in general. There is plenty of things you can do in rural areas without having to climb high mountains, like The Appalachian Trail for example. Yet how many Blacks walk The Appalachian Trail? Not many, even though that trail passes through several Southern states with yuge Black populations.
Neurotics.
“What about those who shower twice a day?”
Neurotics.”
If the humidity is high I shower twice a day whenever I visit family members in Palm Beach and Winter Park, Florida.
I admit, I’d never heard of this before. How old were these boys who weren’t allowed to wear shorts? And why on earth not? It’s all totally creepy and pervy. I never imagined that that awful song “YMCA” sung by homos was based on any reality.
Dang. You guys have all my sympathy and prayers.
He did lift when he was younger.
Entire buildings.
He’s trying to start a Mexican wave.
Well he is pro-open borders, while at the same time claiming that he fights for blue collar Americans.
The funny thing is that a lot of them were often decked out in REI or Filson gear as if they were some rugged sportsmen or longshoremen. More often than not it was all posing. They'd go pale at seeing guns or fights.
And to think Seattle was once a real blue collar city.
There are more things I hate about Seattle than I can summarize in a single iSteve comment, but right at the top of the list is the stringy handshakes.
If you want to see manly/mesomorphic men in the Emerald City, go to gun shows.
You’re right about the gear, though “REI” is Seattlese for “epicene.”
Filson, though–yes, also Carhartt, Wolverine, and, Odin forgive them, Grundens.
Yeah, which is why they keep casting boychild framed women as big bad action heroes and tiny-frontal-lobed blacks as nucular fizzixists (I always think of Viola Davis in the remake of Solaris–looks and talks like Aunt Jemima’s gollywog cousin, then is the one who cobbles together a “Higgs weapon” or some such out of parts found ’round the space station).
I thought suspension of disbelief was the whole point of Challahwood. It’s mythmaking for the masses and HBD for The Tribe.
Isn’t that part of why The Donaled pi##es off the MSM and politicos? Coz he’s a big bad tough successful old blonde white sumbitch who says what he thinks…and looks the part of White American Big Man?
Meanwhile the GOPe is trying to convince us that THIS would make a compelling face of leadership for the USA:
Now that this one has dropped out…
…from running against Maw Clinton:
Steven Crowder went undercover as a Left Wing Quebec French Canadian in a wheelchair, who supports Bernie Sanders.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/jean-guys-bernie-journey/
Funny stuff.
“He’s trying to start a Mexican wave.”
Well he is pro-open borders, while at the same time claiming that he fights for blue collar Americans.
I get some of that. But the article said he quit….maybe encouraged to?
Either way, the response to being called retarded by two chicks is “suck my dick.” Don’t quit and whine.
Dang. You guys have all my sympathy and prayers.
The contestants in the original Olympic Games competed in the nude. It was also likely intended as a sort of desensitization process. The commonplace being famously non-arousing. One gathers it wasn’t entirely effective for that purpose.
Dang. You guys have all my sympathy and prayers.
“I admit, I’d never heard of this before. How old were these boys who weren’t allowed to wear shorts? And why on earth not? ”
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/fun/fairly-recently-ymca-actually-required-swimmers-nude/
I think the theory needs a bit of fine tuning:
lean, fit ectomorphs – libertarians (eg, Ron and Rand Paul, a young Derb?)
endomorphs and pasty vegetarian ectomorphs: progressives (Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky etc)
mesomorphs and wannabe mesomorphs – nationalists, populists and religious conservatives (Trump, Mussolini, Franco, Teddy Roosevelt etc)
Where are the videos of Hitler finding out that Trump is Hitler?
It's not just males. Diane Keaton was quite shy about exposing herself on film 40 years ago, in her physical prime. But she was glad to do it at 57. A few other actresses went through the same process.
True for Amy Irving as well. Eventually you reach the age of not giving a shit, I guess.
In recent years, though, casting agents seem to have decided that he's ideally suited for playing authority figures: the president in National Treasure: Book of Secrets, Christopher Pike in the Abrams Star Trek reboot, LA DA Gil Garcetti in The People Vs OJ Simpson, etc
Michael McKean, who played the moron Lenny in Laverne & Shirley, now plays a highly respected white-shoe lawyer and brother of “Saul Goodman” on Better Call Saul.
Let’s be honest though, it’s Ectomorph vs Endomorph.
The pool we swam in had an observation gallery for spectators at swim meets, when presumably the Yalies were wearing their Speedos. One time, when I was waiting out front for my mother to pick me up, a smiling old pervert came up and told me he’d been watching me from the stands. Many opportunities for pervs in those days when such topics were not discussed.
Neurotics."
If the humidity is high I shower twice a day whenever I visit family members in Palm Beach and Winter Park, Florida.
The weirdo performer Tiny Tim always took a shower after he went to the bathroom, or roughly five showers a day. Every day he took one “big shower,” 90 minutes long.
Their demo is probably whites who want to think about blacks climbing mountains, rather than blacks climbing mountains.
Who could have seen this coming?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/17/poll-donald-trump-hits-65-percent-in-new-york-more-than-50-percent-ahead-of-ted-cruz/
Note: Comment 38 in this thread, starting with the words “I’m not so sure the feminists” ended with a square bracket ], and a bug in the system causes this to make all subsequent comments “denumbered.” I have seen this problem before. I hope it can be fixed.
And is far better known for his role in This Is Spinal Tap. A quick glance at his IMDB profile shows about 25 appearances on television as David St. Hubbins, his Spinal Tap character.
leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it's axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites (who can't seem to keep up with the importance of stylish clothes or virtue signalling) and skips across the ocean to the presumably oppressed blacks and browns of other continents.
Leapfroggers all tend to inhabit majority-white gated communities.
“leapfrogging loyalties characterize the SJW worldview. By definition in this schema, the further out a person or nation is physically or politically from me, the more sacred it is. For a white SJW living in Chicago, it’s axiomatic to care more about, for example, third world immigrants in far flung Djibouti than to care about a like-skinned neighbor right next door who might well be unemployed and malnourished. The SJW is blind to the people around him because compassion for people who are nearby and familiar is simply too boring to be thought of; his SJW concern leapfrogs all whites, especially poor whites”
‘Leap-frogging loyalties’ doesn’t spare the homefront either in liberal families. It’s a point of pride among my family’s Boomers to have few or no kids, putatively for environmental reasons, but turn a blind eye to mass immigration. It was a revelation to have children, the first of my generation, and realize that “it takes a village to raise a child” means find your own village, we’ll be largely symbolic. Thankfully the inlaws come from a large and loyal (cultural) Catholic family — the contrast is striking.
No one consistently evokes odi et amo like you do.
Dang. You guys have all my sympathy and prayers.
I admit, I’d never heard of this before. How old were these boys who weren’t allowed to wear shorts? And why on earth not?
Here is a documentary on the wide-spread practice of naked swimming in high schools which lasted up to the 60s and in some place to the mid-70s.
I suspect that attitudes were reinforced by things like the draft.
Check out the Disney movie, Pollyanna, filmed in 1961. The opening scene is a bare-assed kid swinging over a river and jumping in with all the other naked boys. Quite normal for a 1961 audience, or so I imagine.
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