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  1. I think I won’t be cheering for my Warriors.
    I think a lot of fans are tuning out.
    MAGA

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  2. I’ve soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand – and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage – on something substantive. I don’t care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don’t actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these “field-hand torching the plantation” tactics. If they do, they’re more retarded than I thought.

    I’m more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support Swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he’s making fools of everyone who truly supported him.

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    • Replies: @Raekwon
    I'm more or less in agreement here. It's annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes "hell yeah!", but I know it's distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he's going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.
    , @AndrewR
    The plural of "attorney general" is "attorneys general." And Sessions is god-awful in virtually every respect.
    , @JoeT55
    Yeah, a bunch of multimillionaire athletes working for billionaire team owners in tax payer subsidized stadiums are the real victims of discrimination and it's just fine if they and the owners insult everyone else since the swamp is twisting Trump around. So of course he shouldn't say anything about millionaires insulting his base voters and God forbid he take on team owners who hate him. It's not like he ever owned a professional football team or dealt with prima donna players before.
    , @anon
    In fairness, he negatively referenced the kneeling NFLers at a campaign rally. You got to give the faithful some fun red-meat type material at those things.
    , @gda
    The fight to prevent or roll back the takeover by the left of virtually all "culture " and entertainment isn't substantive enough for you?

    Perhaps you need to refocus, because you just don't appear to get it.

    Trump is a disrupter, and one thing he promised to disrupt from Day 1 was the PC culture, and the identity politics that has infected the American culture and politicized EVERYTHING.

    The progressive coastal elites, the pampered and overpaid entertainers spouting their ignorance and propaganda, they don't get it either. ESPN doesn't get it, and they're imploding.

    Go read Roger Simon. He GETS it.
    https://pjmedia.com/rogerls...

    You know what? 70+% of the American public -black, brown, white or asian GET IT too.

    The battle is joined and you're outnumbered if you promulgate or follow a false religion, which most of the reasonably sane and balanced public reject utterly.
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  3. I’ve soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand – and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage – on something substantive. I don’t care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don’t actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these “field-hand torching the plantation” tactics. If they do they’re more retarded than I thought.

    I’m more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he’s making fools of everyone who supported him.

    He may not have enough mustard upstairs to be a hot dog. Any more of this crap and fuck him.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    "I’ve soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand – and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage – on something substantive."

    Yes sports are inconsequential to the future of this country.
    He may not have enough mustard upstairs to be a hot dog. Any more of this crap and fuck him.

    "He may not have enough mustard upstairs to be a hot dog. Any more of this crap and fuck him."

    He has the IQ of a corn dog.
    , @Anonymous
    Your critique is so boring, like something I could as easily get from David Broder or George F. Will. Yes, the national anthem is a "pointless issue." Yes, athletes act like spoiled babies-- there's some real insight! Spare me the civics lesson, Trump's trolling is chemotherapy for the stultifying media cancer on this country. I'll take lively trolling over earnest Paul Ryan master classes in political failure any week.
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  4. Whitney says:

    I was amused. But I’m not a sports fan and I don’t have cable. I do hope people start cutting their cable off. low attendance and ratings have impact but there is a ton of money in the cable subscription. It doesn’t matter whether you watch or not they’re still getting their cut like every other channel on your “bundle”

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    • Agree: AndrewR, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I think as more people start to cancel cable, internet rates will go up. Also, I would imagine a lot of the cable networks to collude with Netflix/Hulu/etc in order to keep up their share of shekels. Ten years from now, people will probably still be paying approximately the same amount if not more for their digital entertainment as they do now.
    , @Stan d Mute

    I was amused. But I’m not a sports fan and I don’t have cable. I do hope people start cutting their cable off. low attendance and ratings have impact but there is a ton of money in the cable subscription. It doesn’t matter whether you watch or not they’re still getting their cut like every other channel on your “bundle”
     
    This is a GREAT point. Back in the 90’s when I still thought of myself as a purely meritocratic libertarian, I cut the cord and switched to C-Band satellite precisely because I refused to support all the garbage propaganda and criminal African “sports heroes.” I cancelled my subscription to Reason magazine when its editor (publisher?) wrote a piece about why “bundling” of programming was “good” (his argument was that it allowed channels without economic viability, but which he personally liked, to stay afloat - a very socialist position).

    Now that every channel is online, and one no longer has a several thousand dollar upfront expense associated with a la carte programming, its become both economical and easy to be an a la carte media consumer. If you hate everything on TV except Game of Thrones for example, subscribe to HBO (and only HBO) for that program’s new season and then drop it until next season. And best of all, the money that remains in your pocket is money immediately denied to those whose religious/political fanaticism would see you destroyed.
    , @Stan Adams
    I cut the cord some time ago. With a cheap digital antenna, so I can pick up 20 to 30 over-the-air broadcast stations.

    (You have to play around with it to get a good signal. It's a hassle, but if you find a station that you can watch all the time, it's not too bad.)

    After Irma*, I lost power for about a day and a half. (I was lucky - others were in the dark for nearly two weeks.) But my cell phone was totally dead for three days - I could neither call nor text - and my Internet connection was out for about six days. (My Internet service is through my cell-phone provider.) So I had to watch the TeeVee nooz to find out what was happening. (I had a radio, but I wanted to see the pictures.) It's a good thing I had the antenna.

    The storm struck two weeks ago today. I know some folks who are still living without cable/satellite/Internet service.

    There's a station called H&I that shows all of the Star Trek series (TAS, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voy, and Ent) in a row six hours a night, six nights a week. I've already seen all of them, but if nothing else it gives me something to put on in the background. (I mute the commercials.) I've been pulling a lot of all-nighters lately, so I can also tell you that after Ent come NYPD Blue, The Commish, Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, and Xena: Lesbian Icon*.

    NYPD Blue is a little stale, but The Commish is downright cringeworthy. Hercules is so badly acted that I can't even enjoy it as camp. And I love bad movies.

    *Near me, in the suburbs south of Miami, a lot of trees and fences were knocked down, but that's about it. Driving around, I did see one house where the patio collapsed into the pool. (I'm pretty sure that was caused by a tornado - at the same intersection, a metal traffic pole was bent.) Along one major thoroughfare, the sidewalk was torn up by the uprooting of several large trees. It looked like an earthquake had struck - big chunks of sidewalk were sticking up at bizarre angles. (Those same trees smashed through a concrete wall surrounding a subdivision. The concrete blocks themselves crumbled into little pieces.)

    There was nothing on the scale of what I saw after Andrew, when houses and even large commercial buildings (supermarkets and department stores) collapsed into piles of rubble. There were entire neighborhoods - such as Country Walk - that looked like Hiroshima after Little Boy. But the devastation in the Middle Keys is comparable to what Cutler Ridge and Homestead experienced in 1992.

    **My freshman year of high school, one of my teachers was the butchest bull-d*ke you could ever meet. (Her lover, another teacher at the school, was only slightly more feminine.) She worshipped Xena and never missed an opportunity to tell us so.
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  5. Raekwon says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    I've soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand - and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage - on something substantive. I don't care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don't actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these "field-hand torching the plantation" tactics. If they do, they're more retarded than I thought.

    I'm more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support Swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he's making fools of everyone who truly supported him.

    I’m more or less in agreement here. It’s annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes “hell yeah!”, but I know it’s distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he’s going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.

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    • Replies: @Chase
    The NFL - for better or worse (worse) - is the United States’ de facto religion. This is really, really important. Conservatives for 60 years have avoided truly engaging in the culture wars as the Left fights it. This is why Trump was elected.
    , @AndrewR
    Then maybe heritage America deserves to get screwed over if they allow their president to get distracted on trivial BS instead of following through on what he campaigned on.
    , @Colleen Pater
    I wouldnt count on that I wont vote for him again and I was stalwart from get go. hes totally betrayed us on the one thing he was different on, and bloomberg will probably the lefts pick so thats a safe bet for them no hes one and done and i doubt he will run anyway
    , @bartok
    The presidency is a lousy pulpit.

    It is a great perch from which to plot domestic policy sabotage. How could you subvert Title IX so that universities were forced to hire and tenure conservatives in all departments? How could you pink-slip 50% of federal employees, e.g. through long furloughs? How could you monkey wrench the immigration courts or provoke the Supreme Court into bringing its Circuits to heel?

    Unfortunately Trump sees the president as the CEO of the government, the one thing it is decidedly not.
    , @Realist
    "The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he’s going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected."

    In your dreams.
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  6. Bubba says:

    It will be interesting tomorrow to see how many of the crybaby-millionaires “protest” after President Trump’s comments. They should all be grateful to have an NFL contract because most of them would be drug dealers, in jail or dead. The NFL has been caving to the SJW’s for years (thanks to the spineless Roger Goodell) and it will soon be on par with the lesbian basketball league in popularity.

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    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Back when we had a healthy society...

    https://i.imgur.com/bzye7gT.jpg
    , @TWS
    Perfect.
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  7. Luke says:

    Hey Steve is kick guru Chris Sailer at all related to you?

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    • Replies: @JS
    They both went to Sherman Oaks Notre Dame (and UCLA at some point), but not contemporaneously.

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/search?q=%22chris+sailer%22
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  8. Trump’s Alabama ploy is brilliant. If Big Luther wins, then Trump has a loyal ally who owes his doubtless narrow primary victory to Trump’s endorsement. If Big Luther loses, then Roy Moore will be a Trump ally by inclination. WIN/WIN

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    If Big Luther wins, then Trump has a loyal ally who owes his doubtless narrow primary victory to Trump’s endorsement. If Big Luther loses, then Roy Moore will be a Trump ally by inclination. WIN/WIN
     
    This is implies that Trump approaches politics with something like a strategy.

    Personally, I prefer the straightforward, upright honest kind of politics where conservatives lose every single battle, plus the war, plus the peace treaty negotiations, plus they pay $3000 for rust proofing guaranteed to last out the year, presuming good weather.

    It's only patriotic.
    , @e
    I think you might be missing that the Donald is a Big Picture guy. Many such tweets taken individually might make one wonder, "Why'd you go there?" but taken as whole add up to attacks on left wing Marxist ideology and culture. The country's pop culture has moved so far left, it takes these kinds of bold attacks to free up the majority of Americans so that they feel comfortable saying, "Hell, yes, he's right."

    Hollywood, the networks, ESPN, sports "reporters" are all mouthpieces for the LEFT.

    I'm enjoying his calling them out.

    I think he would have fared better had he not called them sob's but just when I think he's gone too far, I'm proved wrong.
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  9. wiseguy says:

    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries. Player criminality and protests got it wobbling. Trump just pushed it over.

    The NFL and the NBA will never be the same. Like ESPN, they have rejected their viewers, and their viewers will in turn reject them.

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    • Agree: Travis, Bubba
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    I can just barely see watching large Negroes fight over balls, but I certainly can't see watching large Negroes fight over balls and have to listen to being told how deplorable you are.
    , @Marty T
    NFL is a dying league long term because this CTE stuff isn't going away, and to compensate they're taking out the big hits (i.e. the reason we watch). The protests and controversy only accelerate the trend. Most owners are Republican.

    More interesting is the NBA. The product and stars are more marketable than they've been in a long time, but the league has consciously chosen to be a leftist, anti Trump, intolerant organization. Its two biggest stars (LeBron and Steph) are outwardly hostile to the president in a way that seems to be unprecedented. Their fan base leans liberal anyway so they'll be fine, but they are missing an opportunity.

    Steph Curry is idolized by kids. As out front as he is with his hatred of Trump, it's time for him to pay a financial price. I can think of Under Armour, Infiniti and Chase as companies he endorses. Conservatives MUST be more ruthless with their $$ and boycotting of the enemy. It's not that difficult to buy other products and to target the most anti Trump activists (like Curry) in their bank accounts.

    Also, clearly do not watch the NBA.
    , @fnn

    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries...
     
    Since nobody on the thread brought this up:
    http://www.spin.ph/football/news/aaron-fernandez-diagnosed-with-severe-cte-as-nfl-patriots-face-lawsuit-from-former-stars-family

    BOSTON — Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez had a severe case of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, his lawyer said on Thursday in announcing a lawsuit against the NFL and the team for hiding the true dangers of the sport.

    Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, said Hernandez had Stage 3 (out of 4) of the disease, which can cause violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive disorders.

    "We're told it was the most severe case they had ever seen for someone of Aaron's age," attorney Jose Baez said.
     
    Yeah, but it can only be diagnosed by autopsy, and he died at age 27.That's pretty young even for an NFL player.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Turns out Hernandez had yuge amounts of brain damage.
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  10. It is meaningless to anything, achieves nothing, but it drives the Left crazy – and they are even more deranged than before – so it’s worth it. Watching Trump treat the Left like the Left treats every opponent every day is a pleasure. Call out names! Disinvite! Call them out, boycott! Great.

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    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Except that the NFL is a huge cultural focal point that itself has come to serve as a distraction from substantive issues in the minds of Middle American voters. If landing a few punches on the bread-and-circus machine awakens a few more Deplorables, it will have as big an effect on the Overton Window as Trump's verbal shots at the MSM.
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  11. Paul Rain says:

    I like Trumps who win actual political victories, not pander to illegal infiltrators and white annoyance at farm-equipmentball.

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    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    By speaking out on issues that can raise his popularity and demonstrating how unhinged the leftist really are he makes it possible to take a hard stand against their sacred cows, like DACA.

    They. Must. Go. Back! And the God Emperor Trump is the person who can do it!
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  12. Randal says:

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.

    So Trump is “correct” to say that sports entertainers like NFL wage earners who protest during the national anthem should be sacked. Whether it’s a useful political ploy depends on all the usual questions about Trump’s motives and reasoning (if any), and practicality and effectiveness, when he comes out with such felicitous suggestions.

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    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.
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  13. Okie says:

    Over 25 yrs ago pj orourke wrote parliament of whores. The chapter on the president was all bout the president actually have much less power, but so much more ceremonial power than u think, with stuff like the sports visits and the like.The last 2 have broken that by not being part of the church. O because he didn’t believe in it and it was obvious. 2004 convention speech o was a member of the church, but in office it became clear he was a heritic.

    Trump isn,t a communicant for a different reason that he is like a mega church pastor trying to run a latin mass the god is the same but the rituals are not something he can do. The stuff he can do pleases part of the flock but piss off the regular attenders of mass, which includes 90% of both Washington and the media.

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  14. Sports are the opiate of the American masses. It’s amazing how much emotional energy and time the average North American person invests in watching the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/NCAA-FB.

    I have a lot of (mostly male) friends, coworkers, and relatives for whom the outcome of a game determines their happiness for the next week of their lives. Some of these people spend their lunch hour surfing the internet, looking at college football prospects that they want to draft next year. These people have never heard of the H-1b visa or NAFTA, but they’re experts on the West Coast offense and LSU’s running game.

    It’s really amazing when you think about it.

    In my area, a lot of people have started wearing jerseys every Friday to support our local team.

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    • LOL: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    If whites guys boycott they should post about the healthy, productive things they do instead. Use the Take a Knee hashtag too.
    Then maybe add a profit loss analysis. I have buddies who spend tons on tickets and tailgating. But even just 15 hours on a couch is a huge loss when there is a gig economy to work in... instead of spending 500 make 500. That's a healthy second no each week...
    If the oligarchs are making money off of your passive eyeballs, flip your time to make money for yourself...
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II

    In my area, a lot of people have started wearing jerseys every Friday to support our local team.
     
    What is your 'area' Johnny?
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  15. Trump is right to take a position on this. It doesn’t really take much time from other things and it is part of his job as President. Not inviting players to the White House who refuse to stand for the national anthem is what any of his predecessors (apart from the last three) would do.

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  16. JohnnyD says:

    It was a typical Trump moment: I shrugged my shoulders, while dimwitted journalists and pampered celebrities/athletes had epic meltdowns.

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  17. Mikeja says:

    Mickey Kaus made the point that it’s likely some red meat for the base while he caves on immigration. He’s possibly right but I’m glad someone said something.

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    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Kaus is like Ann where he's been predicting Trump will give citizenship to 6.5 billion people since Nov 9, 2016. He's definitely got a good battered wives racket gpimg for people who are into eating blackpills like Skittles. Meanwhile his every action seems to further sort the sheep from the goats. I think he knows what he's doing more than the loudmouth who refused to take direction from Tucker Carlson and lost his job because of it.

    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that'll be a hell of a coup.

    , @Greasy William
    I'm so sick of Mickey Kaus and Coulter. They've been calling Trump a sellout since his first day.

    THERE WILL BE NO DREAM ACT! The Democrats will never agree to any meaningful border security and Trump politically can't afford to sign even the most modest type of amnesty without getting money for his wall. Furthermore, no amnesty could ever make it through the House.
    , @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/911703256769880064
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  18. Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.

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    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    "saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns." really, the whole 60 seconds that he spent on a tweet
    , @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

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  19. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump is a rat! And I voted for him to block the Arkansas mafia.

    He claims he supports swamp thing Strange out of loyalty. Meanwhile he has cleaned out all of the Trump loyalists from the White House. Except for Miller whom Trump needs to write exciting red meat speeches for the base.

    Trumped talked about getting rid of friends at the rally last night:


    “May have to get rid of a few of them. I’ve already gotten rid of a few of them,” Trump continued smiling, a possible reference to his once Chief Strategist and now again Breitbart News Chairman Steve Bannon, and Dr. Sebastian Gorka. “But they’re good people. No, they’re good people.”

    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.

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    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @AM

    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.
     

    If you can't understand that things that are worthwhile take him, life is gonna suck. Also, not seeking out any knowledge makes difficult to understand what he has already accomplished and what he might accomplish if he throws the Dems the DACA bone.

    I dumped Breitbart a while ago. Between their click bait headlines and Ann Coulter's panic attacks, I'm tired of seeing nominal adults thinking in Twitter based time cycles and strategies, in a world where Rome is still not built in a day.

    , @James Braxton
    I have always wondered why Steve attracts such terrible commenters.

    You probably never made a deal in your life. Sad!
    , @Marck
    Blackpilled that he hasn't accomplished everything in 8 months? This is why they have 4 year terms. Patience is a virtue.
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  20. It’s right and nice of President Trump to say what he said about the multi-millionaire knee-taking phonies, but I want to hear him say, “I call for an immediate Constitutional Amendment to end birthright citizenship, as I now announce the start of BUILDING THE WALL along with this year’s refugee intake total of zero.”

    That would get my attention and earn my everlasting admiration and support.

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  21. @JohnnyWalker123
    Sports are the opiate of the American masses. It's amazing how much emotional energy and time the average North American person invests in watching the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/NCAA-FB.

    I have a lot of (mostly male) friends, coworkers, and relatives for whom the outcome of a game determines their happiness for the next week of their lives. Some of these people spend their lunch hour surfing the internet, looking at college football prospects that they want to draft next year. These people have never heard of the H-1b visa or NAFTA, but they're experts on the West Coast offense and LSU's running game.

    It's really amazing when you think about it.

    In my area, a lot of people have started wearing jerseys every Friday to support our local team.

    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn’t remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky’s child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn’t riot over the kids being abused. The students didn’t riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don’t protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don’t care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and “social media”). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn’t meek. They’re not noble or high minded. They’re dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on “boring” topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian’s wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in “speaking fees,” etc).

    I’m not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I’d bet they’re not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

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    Football riots in England.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhn7qrc9E7A

    Were the residents of Rotherham to meek and high-minded to protest? Or maybe were they too distracted by sportsball to give a damn?
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    In the early 1900s, Americans rioted over economic issues (jobs, unionization, poverty).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOsIB5VMSQ

    In the 60s and 70s, Americans rioted over the Vietnam War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVNUlOUlMeo

    These days Americans riot over fired football coaches.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLCZotkz5CM
    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I completely agree with your analysis and also despair about the energy and attention our fellow citizens have for the shallow trivialities of corporate & commercial sports spectacles.

    However please consider why there is so much emotion and tears spilled over sportsball.

    In our diverse society which has been purging all historic, civic & cultural stories heroes from Columbus to to Shakespeare to Beethoven to Jefferson and even Watson & Crick for being hopelessly sinful and irrelevant stale palewhitemales, there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty. Is there any institution that we can all agree on... other than that disloyal corporate sponsored astroturf carrier of civic pride & unity, that itself knows zero sense of humanity or local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed... have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It's not just the "heroes" of the gridiron who've sold out... the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness... long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    My conclusion is peculiar however. Even though it was decided some generations ago to destroy our people's unity by purging our idols and myths and by dividing then into toxic tribalism, it's now apparent that those efforts have been so successful that significant numbers of fellow citizens no longer identify with our people and institutions and view themselves apart from them much as an occupied people might view an oppressive conquering power. Perversely enforcing a phony unity over this sports spectacle may do more harm than good. Perhaps it would be constructive to let America's divided tribes express their hate and rivalries for each other in a less destructive forum... with the well-paid professional gladiators being their proxies. Instead of real world violence, let a team of black power athletes stand for whatever ideals & anthem they do believe in and let them compete with dignity and honesty. Sure many Americans will boo and hiss, but these black separatists have been booing and hissing the American establishment for generations now. Might as well get it out in the open. Upside for the NFL...? Better ratings than ever. Inject a little potent identity politics into the game but keep it respectful and sportsmanlike to show that there's still humanity there. Isn't this exactly the kind of chauvinistic drama that makes the Olympics even though people don't have much clue about the athletics? Also consider the appeal of contrived drama & rivalries that makes professional wrestling evidently such compelling entertainment. Add the emotion of identity politics to sportsball and it would make it meaningful and relevant again after all.
    , @Rod1963
    Spot on.

    Organized sports has poisoned the white working and middle-class in this country. That along with all the other forms of media you mentioned indicates they are entertaining themselves to death.

    Pro ball sports saps their emotional and intellectual energy, it distracts them, destroys tribal unity and basically owns them. It doesn't matter which sport. Basketball, football or soccer they all do the same thing to the masses. Why do you think 3rd world countries go out of their way to promote soccer? Not because it's good for the people, it's not. It's to refocus the people's energy onto something that is totally useless.

    It also has made it hard for many men to talk to one another about anything other than sports. Because most of these guys have no other hobby or interest other than watching a bunch of multimillionaires who despise them.
    , @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    Yo, Mister 123! You mentioned the lying liarly liars who fomented the Iraq debacle with their lying liarly lies only twice in your posting! Surely you can squeeze in another three or four iterations for the more dense amongst us?
    , @BenKenobi
    "did they get you to trade,
    your heroes for ghosts?
    hot ashes for trees?
    hot air for a cool breeze?
    and did you exchange;
    a walk on part in the war;
    for a lead role in a cage?"

    Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here

    The country is still not polarized enough. But this NFL thing is a great bit of accelerationism.

    My favorite part is the good-thinkers accusing the President of injecting politics into football. The absolute chutzpah.
    , @James Kabala
    Unsurprisingly Trump himself made pro-Paterno statements to pump up the crowd at some of his Pennsylvania rallies last year. Maybe that helped him win Pennsylvania!
    , @SF
    Joe Paterno showed some class. He told the students that their grades were more important than his getting fired and they should go home and study for finals.
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  22. 1/ Shouldn’t everyone here be urging the NFL to drop the anthem so that a lot of Kaepernicks get their brains turned to mush?

    2/ Look at the bright side:

    a/ Less support for taxpayers dollars going to football stadiums.
    b/ Less tolerance in the future for college football player off-field violence.
    c/ Better mental health for HS graduates.
    d/ More respect for HS valedictorians instead of quarterbacks

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    1/ Shouldn’t everyone here be urging the NFL to drop the anthem so that a lot of Kaepernicks get their brains turned to mush?
     
    Nope, because that means we lost the culture war.

    In addition to the anthem, football players should say the pledge of allegiance, and ideally, sing the preamble to the Constitution, as in School House Rocks.
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  23. Classic Trump trap. Owners and media types prefer to ignore the low IQ antics emanating from the usual suspects. Trump is forcing them to defend stupid with equally stupid rhetoric e.g. “Lack of respect of the NFL” and the like. This is a winner for Trump.

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    • Replies: @haddox
    No doubt. He is also enticing a bunch of these knuckleheads to kneel tomorrow. The whole things boils down to forcing the sanctimonious league and its greedy owners to choose between BLM fellow travelers (and the media that will be hysterically and sympathetically be reporting all this as Rosa Parks 2 versus a "white supremacist" president) and their white, largely blue-collar fan base who just wants to watch the game. The master troll at work.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Not just defend stupid, but defend anti-Americanism. NFL fans skew heavily toward the patriotic end of the spectrum, while the paid entertainers seem to be modern versions of Jane Fonda. More and more Deplorables will peel away their allegiance from the Mau-Mau if a leader like Trump shows the way.
    , @Polynikes
    Agree. Trump has good political instincts when it comes to driving wedges into the lefts identity politics.
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  24. Trump should just go back to the WWF.

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  25. I think he better start building that big, beautiful wall.

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    How about getting rid of the incentives that draw people to cross that border? If you have trouble with vehicles hitting deer, rather than build a bigger and longer deer fence along the highway, get people to stop dumping buckets of corn all the way along it, day after day. It's the same thing with the goodies Mexican migrants find in the US.
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  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    Football riots in England.

    Were the residents of Rotherham to meek and high-minded to protest? Or maybe were they too distracted by sportsball to give a damn?

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    Amen brother...
    , @al gore rhythms
    This isn't a riot. Not even close. It's just the two sets of supporters being kept apart as they leave the stadium after the match. It's a fairly typical scene in an English city on a Saturday afternoon. West Ham and Millwall are London rivals with a lot of history between them both off and on the pitch, so this probably has more of a police presence than most matches. Perhaps the excitable narration of the Brazilian lead you to believe the clip was more dramatic than it actually was?
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  27. Achilles says:

    What Trump is doing is the only way to fight the Culture War — being unapologetic, up front, in their faces, not cowed by the media.

    The professional athletes themselves are just cat’s paws of the media. The media lifts up and shines a spotlight on ignoramuses like Kaepernick who mouth their talking points.

    The NFL is just another front in the war of the Jewish-Media Industrial Complex on white gentiles and the historic American nation.

    Gotta hand it to the JMIC though — they took the NFL of Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry and over time turned it into the NFL of Roger Goodell and Colin Kaepernick.

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    • Replies: @Danindc
    Goodell hates what's going on. To lump him with karpernick is idiotic. He tried to keep a lid on the criminals but got called racist by the JMIC as you call it. Get your facts straight.
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  28. Trump just put this out. He’s demanding a little backbone and patriotism from a corporate cuckservative. Like it or not, that is part of his job as head of state.

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    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    and maybe throwing a little shade on Goodell is a favor to Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones
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  29. theMann says:

    Gee, when I go in to work Monday, I think I will start annoying all our customers with “free Catalonia, free vote” campaign…. or something equally worthy. Because, you know, free speech an all that. I am sure I will stay employed for all of 5 minutes.

    Hum, now let me see how offensive I can make this:

    News flash spearchuckers, you are out on that field\court\diamond of play ON YOUR EMPLOYERS DIME. They decide to fire you over non work related behavior while at work, good bye and good riddance, and welcome to the real world where the rest of us live.. And along the way, why don’t we let every one of these Prima Donnas know they aren’t that special, and we don’t care they think.

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  30. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    In the early 1900s, Americans rioted over economic issues (jobs, unionization, poverty).

    In the 60s and 70s, Americans rioted over the Vietnam War.

    These days Americans riot over fired football coaches.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLCZotkz5CM

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  31. @Isidore the Farmer
    I think he better start building that big, beautiful wall.

    How about getting rid of the incentives that draw people to cross that border? If you have trouble with vehicles hitting deer, rather than build a bigger and longer deer fence along the highway, get people to stop dumping buckets of corn all the way along it, day after day. It’s the same thing with the goodies Mexican migrants find in the US.

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    It's crazy to think immigrants are only or principally about welfare. Unless there's an economic slump of unprecedented length and severity, and possibly even then, there will always be plenty of incentives to come. They have to be stopped.
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  32. Chase says:
    @Raekwon
    I'm more or less in agreement here. It's annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes "hell yeah!", but I know it's distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he's going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.

    The NFL – for better or worse (worse) – is the United States’ de facto religion. This is really, really important. Conservatives for 60 years have avoided truly engaging in the culture wars as the Left fights it. This is why Trump was elected.

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    • Replies: @haddox
    It is a big deal - this is a proxy race war for hearts and minds. Per JohnnyWalker's depressing litany, sportsball is the enemy. And it's like they told the guy in Concussion: "You're going to war with a corporation that owns a day of the week." You go Mr. ZFG President.
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  33. @Paul Rain
    I like Trumps who win actual political victories, not pander to illegal infiltrators and white annoyance at farm-equipmentball.

    By speaking out on issues that can raise his popularity and demonstrating how unhinged the leftist really are he makes it possible to take a hard stand against their sacred cows, like DACA.

    They. Must. Go. Back! And the God Emperor Trump is the person who can do it!

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    He might be someone who could do it, but he is someone who won't do it.
    , @gregor
    Right. It will likely end up being complementary.

    Trump is adept at setting this kind of bait for the left. He knows they will react hysterically to stuff like the tranny ban or this NFL thing because they just can't help themselves. Popular opinion will be with Trump on most of these cultural issues. BLM is a thoroughly toxic movement and it would be great to have Dems promoting it ahead of the midterms.

    As for the immigration fight, I think putting the hostility that blacks have for America on display for the whole country can only help. Blacks whose heritage goes back hundreds of years in America still hate the country. It undermines the myth of race neutral immigration, that we can bring in anyone from anywhere and turn them all into Americans in any meaningful sense. Trump can't make those arguments explicitly, but with BLM and DACA protestors shouting in Spanish, etc., he won't need to.
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  34. SF says:

    The CNN commentators need to realize that the first amendment doesn’t prevent your boss from firing you if you say something bad for the business when you are on the clock. Well, they do understand that I guess, for Google employees.

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    • Replies: @haddox
    Exactly. This is a critical point here. By addressing the owners/NFL, Trump is turning the left's "free speech is not free from consequences" crap right back around. Exposing their first amendment hypocrisy, like Charlottesville, the Damore double-standard, etc. Nice work.
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  35. Alden says:

    It’s really only about 40 percent of American Whites who spend every weekend and Monday nights worshipping at the church of black athletes.
    The other 60 percent are White women and a few White men. Is it a gay thing or what? I can see playing ball in the thousands of amateur leagues if you enjoy it. But watching other people play sports? Why, especially when all the players and most of the owners are enemies of Whites.

    Why don’t White men realize that black sports are that way because of blatant discrimination against White Athletes? If White men didn’t watch the games on TV, go to the stadiums, and vote to spend tax payers money to build the stadiums the national felons league would disappear along with those 7 foot mutants.

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    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Where are these mythical sports aficionados who play in "amateur leagues" but eschew watching the exact same sport on TV?
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  36. @Seth Largo
    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.

    “saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.” really, the whole 60 seconds that he spent on a tweet

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  37. @Cagey Beast
    Trump just put this out. He's demanding a little backbone and patriotism from a corporate cuckservative. Like it or not, that is part of his job as head of state.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911718138747727872

    and maybe throwing a little shade on Goodell is a favor to Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones

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  38. Meanwhile, methamphetamine has been found in some bottles of 7UP but these very special bottles of 7UP are sold only in Mexico. Only one fatality has been reported so far. Tell Trump that Mexico wants to export to us her best! Mix It Up a Little!

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  39. @Mikeja
    Mickey Kaus made the point that it's likely some red meat for the base while he caves on immigration. He's possibly right but I'm glad someone said something.

    Kaus is like Ann where he’s been predicting Trump will give citizenship to 6.5 billion people since Nov 9, 2016. He’s definitely got a good battered wives racket gpimg for people who are into eating blackpills like Skittles. Meanwhile his every action seems to further sort the sheep from the goats. I think he knows what he’s doing more than the loudmouth who refused to take direction from Tucker Carlson and lost his job because of it.

    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that’ll be a hell of a coup.

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    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that’ll be a hell of a coup.
     
    Involving the NFL is taking this to the front lines of the Anglo-Saxon male.
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    This is a good point. I'm noticing a fracturing on this seemingly silly issue which may actually help clarify allegiances...
    The Left/Right is fairly clear, Trump has been clarifying Top/Bottom
    And this further fractures labels that mask backstabbers
    Basically Trump's base is rallied, the Left exhausts itself again, Conservative wonks take themselves further out of consideration for leadership of heritage America by saying it's not Policy and doesn't matter... "if only he would tweet about the ExIm Bank more! That would seal Ohio in 2020!"
    Trump seems to be pruning ...
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  40. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    I completely agree with your analysis and also despair about the energy and attention our fellow citizens have for the shallow trivialities of corporate & commercial sports spectacles.

    However please consider why there is so much emotion and tears spilled over sportsball.

    In our diverse society which has been purging all historic, civic & cultural stories heroes from Columbus to to Shakespeare to Beethoven to Jefferson and even Watson & Crick for being hopelessly sinful and irrelevant stale palewhitemales, there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty. Is there any institution that we can all agree on… other than that disloyal corporate sponsored astroturf carrier of civic pride & unity, that itself knows zero sense of humanity or local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed… have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It’s not just the “heroes” of the gridiron who’ve sold out… the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness… long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    My conclusion is peculiar however. Even though it was decided some generations ago to destroy our people’s unity by purging our idols and myths and by dividing then into toxic tribalism, it’s now apparent that those efforts have been so successful that significant numbers of fellow citizens no longer identify with our people and institutions and view themselves apart from them much as an occupied people might view an oppressive conquering power. Perversely enforcing a phony unity over this sports spectacle may do more harm than good. Perhaps it would be constructive to let America’s divided tribes express their hate and rivalries for each other in a less destructive forum… with the well-paid professional gladiators being their proxies. Instead of real world violence, let a team of black power athletes stand for whatever ideals & anthem they do believe in and let them compete with dignity and honesty. Sure many Americans will boo and hiss, but these black separatists have been booing and hissing the American establishment for generations now. Might as well get it out in the open. Upside for the NFL…? Better ratings than ever. Inject a little potent identity politics into the game but keep it respectful and sportsmanlike to show that there’s still humanity there. Isn’t this exactly the kind of chauvinistic drama that makes the Olympics even though people don’t have much clue about the athletics? Also consider the appeal of contrived drama & rivalries that makes professional wrestling evidently such compelling entertainment. Add the emotion of identity politics to sportsball and it would make it meaningful and relevant again after all.

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    I forgot to add, the issue is especially acute for white Americans, for whom there is practically no legitimate outlet for that instinctual tribal collective social energy. It reminds me how a few years ago in Germany one would see lots of Ferrari Formula One flags in front of people's homes because of their pride about native son champion Michael Schumacher because any other expression of collective or patriotic pride was viewed as unseemly nationalism.
    , @Marty T
    The New England Patriots already, symbolically represent Trumpism, with their largely white roster and personal relationships with Trump. The Seattle Seahawks are probably the closest to a "black power" roster in the NFL. The two played a great super bowl in 2015.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Good points.

    local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?
     
    The above was quote worthy. Athletes are nothing more than mercenary gladiators. Might as well root for Nike and Reebok.

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed… have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It’s not just the “heroes” of the gridiron who’ve sold out… the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness… long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.
     
    Being an American used to mean something. It meant being apart of the country that collectively suffered through the Depression, won WWII, got a man to the moon, lived through the 60s, fought and eventually won the Cold War, and experienced a lot of things together as a people. It meant common legends and heroes (Johnny Appleseed, Paul Bunyan, Wild West Cowboys).

    Now what the hell does being an American mean? Eating fast food, shopping for Black Friday deals at Best Buy, moving to a McMansion in some far off suburb, and watching NFL/NBA/MLB/NCAA-FB.

    At this point, anybody can be an American. A Chinese, Korean, Viet, Indian, Paki, Mexican, Guatemalan, Russian, Puerto Rican, Arab, Persian, Mongolian, Dominican. As long as you like the NFL and Black Friday specials, you're as American as anybody else!
    , @Henry's Cat

    , there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty.
     
    Bread and circuses, you mean?

    You're right that sport enjoys an elevated status with liberalism - not only because it helps to placate and distract the masses, but because it's practically the only stage where blacks can be genuinely celebrated for their excellence. I understand the NFL is easily the most popular sport in the US, and the supporting base within the stadiums still appears overwhelmingly pale, but are there any signs that its popularity amongst whites is falling?

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  41. Steve, since you’ve written about college football before: there’s an angle to all this CTE stuff that I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere. I think that as concern over football health issues spreads the middle class won’t want its kids play football. What happens to college football when that happens? How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes? It’s already tough enough to field a team of players who can fit in sufficiently well with the rest of the university and also be competitive.

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    Samoa, Tonga, & thereabouts.

    Readin' 'n ritin'?
    They'll fudge that part.
    , @Anonymous
    I agree. My son is 12. I think his will be the last generation to play football. Lawsuits and more information regarding CTE will cause insurers to drop or make coverage too costly for HS leagues and below.
    , @David In TN
    They've been using football players who don't belong on a college campus for decades.
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes?
     
    They won't. In my state, news stories of feral athletes used by major state colleges engaging in vibrant off-field activities has become commonplace. Even the most goodthinking goodthinker has to start noticing by the third drug-robbery-homicide attributed to the State U sportsball defense in so many months.
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  42. Whiskey says: • Website

    Yes, while this is nothing but Boob Bait for Bubba, while Trump busily cucks like crazy, which was btw inevitable since Richard Spencer staged his Charlottesville immolation (hope he cashed Soros check quickly); it is the first time a major White politician has told Black people NO.

    Trump saying NO to the kneeling millionaires who HATE HATE HATE their White fans who pay them indirectly is a watershed culturally. This is the FIRST TIME anyone on the Whiter Shade of Pale has said NO to a Black person. Ever. You’ll notice Bernie obediently bowed and scraped before his masters when the fat stupid BLM ladies invaded his stage.

    However, the NFL will make plenty of money; they’ll just see slower growth. And double down on Mexican and European expansion where they figure anti-White politics will play better. The NFL was always going to be anti-White, since it is over 75% Black. Anything over say, 5% Black will generate anti-White behavior since Black people mostly HATE HATE HATE Whites. Always have, always will.

    Trump figures it will be just a one-off distraction from his mass Amnesty plan; and total cucking as Ivanka has shown him Richard Spencer and company calling for gassing his grandkids (smooth move Spencer!) inevitably makes him cuck and cuck HARD.

    HOWEVER this will encourage the Deplorables. Already the Niners-Rams game was half empty on Thursday night; ratings are down; cord-cutting means no more cable bonanza. The NFL can easily decline year over year at 7-9% annually in fan audience and attendance and not have any impact on the bottom line for years given the lucrative TV deals and tax giveaways. Like ESPN they don’t need to worry about people watching since they’ve got a guaranteed income stream (for ESPN its Disney money). But Deplorables can start up their own leagues, with mostly White players, a patriotic orientation, more action, and close enough to the NFL action to pose a massive strategic threat in twenty years. Particularly if they occupy the civic pride place that the NFL does in regionalism and patriotism that has never gone away just not been expressed.

    AND the Deplorables are likely to demand a tit-for-tat firing of people who are not patriotic — in schools, in workplaces, in other places. Seeing you a Christian baker imprisoned for not baking a gay wedding cake (but never a Muslim baker) and a White male Goolag engineer fired for an internal memo taking his own company’s side — and raising them half the NFL player roster. Enough pressure and fan boycotts and a few NFL owners will probably cave, particularly those not getting enough NFL socialism redistribution of Wealth or those on the Jerry Jones side of the expense ledger who NEED fans coming through the turnstiles. Even if the NFL as a whole is determined to be on the anti-American side of the players.

    Bonus — Blacks hate the Flag and Anthem is a “winning” Charlie Sheen moment.

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    My short thread on it.

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    Looks like that didn't come through. Trying again.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/911719534024957952
    , @ScarletNumber
    I thought you were trying to be funny
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    Another thought I had on this.

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    Doubleplus agree.
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  45. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I completely agree with your analysis and also despair about the energy and attention our fellow citizens have for the shallow trivialities of corporate & commercial sports spectacles.

    However please consider why there is so much emotion and tears spilled over sportsball.

    In our diverse society which has been purging all historic, civic & cultural stories heroes from Columbus to to Shakespeare to Beethoven to Jefferson and even Watson & Crick for being hopelessly sinful and irrelevant stale palewhitemales, there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty. Is there any institution that we can all agree on... other than that disloyal corporate sponsored astroturf carrier of civic pride & unity, that itself knows zero sense of humanity or local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed... have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It's not just the "heroes" of the gridiron who've sold out... the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness... long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    My conclusion is peculiar however. Even though it was decided some generations ago to destroy our people's unity by purging our idols and myths and by dividing then into toxic tribalism, it's now apparent that those efforts have been so successful that significant numbers of fellow citizens no longer identify with our people and institutions and view themselves apart from them much as an occupied people might view an oppressive conquering power. Perversely enforcing a phony unity over this sports spectacle may do more harm than good. Perhaps it would be constructive to let America's divided tribes express their hate and rivalries for each other in a less destructive forum... with the well-paid professional gladiators being their proxies. Instead of real world violence, let a team of black power athletes stand for whatever ideals & anthem they do believe in and let them compete with dignity and honesty. Sure many Americans will boo and hiss, but these black separatists have been booing and hissing the American establishment for generations now. Might as well get it out in the open. Upside for the NFL...? Better ratings than ever. Inject a little potent identity politics into the game but keep it respectful and sportsmanlike to show that there's still humanity there. Isn't this exactly the kind of chauvinistic drama that makes the Olympics even though people don't have much clue about the athletics? Also consider the appeal of contrived drama & rivalries that makes professional wrestling evidently such compelling entertainment. Add the emotion of identity politics to sportsball and it would make it meaningful and relevant again after all.

    I forgot to add, the issue is especially acute for white Americans, for whom there is practically no legitimate outlet for that instinctual tribal collective social energy. It reminds me how a few years ago in Germany one would see lots of Ferrari Formula One flags in front of people’s homes because of their pride about native son champion Michael Schumacher because any other expression of collective or patriotic pride was viewed as unseemly nationalism.

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    Yes, but Studies graduates would then write opinion pieces in der Spiegel about the troubling and problematic flags of the prancing pony.
    , @Anonymous
    NASCAR is somewhat a gathering of the clans for the Scots-Irish.
    , @AndrewR
    Apparently the stigma against flag-waving German nationalism has decreased in recent years, but I remember having culture shock when I talked to a German girl about 13 years ago who told me that conspicuous display of the German flag was generally frowned upon in Germany. The postwar German anti-German guilt complex is a strong beast indeed.
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  46. AM says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Trump's Alabama ploy is brilliant. If Big Luther wins, then Trump has a loyal ally who owes his doubtless narrow primary victory to Trump's endorsement. If Big Luther loses, then Roy Moore will be a Trump ally by inclination. WIN/WIN

    If Big Luther wins, then Trump has a loyal ally who owes his doubtless narrow primary victory to Trump’s endorsement. If Big Luther loses, then Roy Moore will be a Trump ally by inclination. WIN/WIN

    This is implies that Trump approaches politics with something like a strategy.

    Personally, I prefer the straightforward, upright honest kind of politics where conservatives lose every single battle, plus the war, plus the peace treaty negotiations, plus they pay $3000 for rust proofing guaranteed to last out the year, presuming good weather.

    It’s only patriotic.

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  47. AM says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Kaus is like Ann where he's been predicting Trump will give citizenship to 6.5 billion people since Nov 9, 2016. He's definitely got a good battered wives racket gpimg for people who are into eating blackpills like Skittles. Meanwhile his every action seems to further sort the sheep from the goats. I think he knows what he's doing more than the loudmouth who refused to take direction from Tucker Carlson and lost his job because of it.

    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that'll be a hell of a coup.

    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that’ll be a hell of a coup.

    Involving the NFL is taking this to the front lines of the Anglo-Saxon male.

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    Which way are those front lines facing?
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  48. MBlanc46 says:
    @wiseguy
    The league's future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries. Player criminality and protests got it wobbling. Trump just pushed it over.

    The NFL and the NBA will never be the same. Like ESPN, they have rejected their viewers, and their viewers will in turn reject them.

    I can just barely see watching large Negroes fight over balls, but I certainly can’t see watching large Negroes fight over balls and have to listen to being told how deplorable you are.

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  49. He should have quit while he was ahead with Covfefe.

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  50. cthulhu says:

    I think the “fire them!” rhetoric was rather over-the-top; I think Trump is more effective in these kind of scenarios when he’s more ridiculing than confronting. But the NFL is going to lose either way – seeming to be on the side of anti-patriotism looks bad with the core football fan, and any suggestion that the participating players are misguided will cause more bad player behavior. The average fan doesn’t distinguish between the league as a business entity and the actions of the players.

    FWIW, I gave up being much of a football fan 15+ years ago; I still watch it occasionally, but wouldn’t be unhappy if the NFL went out of business tomorrow. That after growing up in a rabid football household and going to a school that had perennial NCAA championship contenders.

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    I think Trump is more effective in these kind of scenarios when he’s more ridiculing than confronting.
     
    He's great a labeling people, Crooked Hillary, Lyin' Ted, etc. Rocket Man was brilliant.
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  51. AM says:
    @anony-mouse
    1/ Shouldn't everyone here be urging the NFL to drop the anthem so that a lot of Kaepernicks get their brains turned to mush?

    2/ Look at the bright side:

    a/ Less support for taxpayers dollars going to football stadiums.
    b/ Less tolerance in the future for college football player off-field violence.
    c/ Better mental health for HS graduates.
    d/ More respect for HS valedictorians instead of quarterbacks

    1/ Shouldn’t everyone here be urging the NFL to drop the anthem so that a lot of Kaepernicks get their brains turned to mush?

    Nope, because that means we lost the culture war.

    In addition to the anthem, football players should say the pledge of allegiance, and ideally, sing the preamble to the Constitution, as in School House Rocks.

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  52. @Mikeja
    Mickey Kaus made the point that it's likely some red meat for the base while he caves on immigration. He's possibly right but I'm glad someone said something.

    I’m so sick of Mickey Kaus and Coulter. They’ve been calling Trump a sellout since his first day.

    THERE WILL BE NO DREAM ACT! The Democrats will never agree to any meaningful border security and Trump politically can’t afford to sign even the most modest type of amnesty without getting money for his wall. Furthermore, no amnesty could ever make it through the House.

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    Do you know how the Left has moved the Overton Window? By their extremists never giving an inch, always pushing.
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  53. AndrewR says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    I've soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand - and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage - on something substantive. I don't care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don't actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these "field-hand torching the plantation" tactics. If they do, they're more retarded than I thought.

    I'm more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support Swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he's making fools of everyone who truly supported him.

    The plural of “attorney general” is “attorneys general.” And Sessions is god-awful in virtually every respect.

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    And Sessions is god-awful in virtually every respect.
     
    Except that he is on our side, and you are not.
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  54. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump is a rat! And I voted for him to block the Arkansas mafia.

    He claims he supports swamp thing Strange out of loyalty. Meanwhile he has cleaned out all of the Trump loyalists from the White House. Except for Miller whom Trump needs to write exciting red meat speeches for the base.

    Trumped talked about getting rid of friends at the rally last night:


    “May have to get rid of a few of them. I’ve already gotten rid of a few of them,” Trump continued smiling, a possible reference to his once Chief Strategist and now again Breitbart News Chairman Steve Bannon, and Dr. Sebastian Gorka. “But they’re good people. No, they’re good people.”



    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.

    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.

    If you can’t understand that things that are worthwhile take him, life is gonna suck. Also, not seeking out any knowledge makes difficult to understand what he has already accomplished and what he might accomplish if he throws the Dems the DACA bone.

    I dumped Breitbart a while ago. Between their click bait headlines and Ann Coulter’s panic attacks, I’m tired of seeing nominal adults thinking in Twitter based time cycles and strategies, in a world where Rome is still not built in a day.

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    You're kidding yourself.
    , @gda
    "If you can’t understand that things that are worthwhile take him"

    I think you meant to say "things that are worthwhile take TIME", though I could be mistaken

    "I’m tired of seeing nominal adults thinking in Twitter based time cycles and strategies, in a world where Rome is still not built in a day."

    Spot on.
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  55. AM says:

    Just another in MAGA. Culture is upstream from politics. Glad he’s waded in.

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  56. AndrewR says:
    @Raekwon
    I'm more or less in agreement here. It's annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes "hell yeah!", but I know it's distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he's going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.

    Then maybe heritage America deserves to get screwed over if they allow their president to get distracted on trivial BS instead of following through on what he campaigned on.

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    Politics is downstream from culture.

    -Andrew Breitbart
    , @Bill
    This is why desert is such a shitty basis for morality.
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    Announcers - house blacks
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  58. It’s good metapolitics (culture war stuff, the basis of public consensus and therefore future public policy). But on the practical, immediate, concrete level, it seems like an attempt by Trump at diverting the attention of his base from his broken promises. These include his doubling-down in Afghanistan, his pushing for a massive immigration amnesty, aka DACA (although he indicated during the campaign that he might go all wobbly on that), his discarding of blue collars (surrounding himself with Goldman Sachs and conflating the stock market and the economy), and his atrocious comments on the Wall last night. He said that the “Wall” is going to be “transparent” – i.e., it will be a fence (chain-link?) – and that it will not run the length of the border.

    Trump might turn out to be only a cheerleader, like Duyba was. But a cheerleader for whom? The same Swamp creatures whom Dubya served, it seems.

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    I'm not as bleak on Trump as you seem to be, but the Alabama speech was different:
    1. Gone was the seething anger, replaced by smug room-working
    2. A transparent wall is a fence. Walls are better because they utterly alienate the excluded. What you don't want is The Other goading, spitting and screaming at you every day on national TV. You want the peaceful enjoyment of your country that a wall provides. Consider this: enterprising émigrés stage heart attacks, suicide attempts, etc, on their side of the fence. US helicopters fly over the fence like Italian Coastguard to 'rescue' the scammers and bring them to US hospitals for treatment because muh values, who we are, etc
    3. He went on too long about his Alabama values. Sounded like a salesman trying to snow over the perceived weaknesses of his offering.
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  59. Danindc says:
    @Achilles
    What Trump is doing is the only way to fight the Culture War -- being unapologetic, up front, in their faces, not cowed by the media.

    The professional athletes themselves are just cat's paws of the media. The media lifts up and shines a spotlight on ignoramuses like Kaepernick who mouth their talking points.

    The NFL is just another front in the war of the Jewish-Media Industrial Complex on white gentiles and the historic American nation.

    Gotta hand it to the JMIC though -- they took the NFL of Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry and over time turned it into the NFL of Roger Goodell and Colin Kaepernick.

    Goodell hates what’s going on. To lump him with karpernick is idiotic. He tried to keep a lid on the criminals but got called racist by the JMIC as you call it. Get your facts straight.

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  60. @Anonymous
    Trump is a rat! And I voted for him to block the Arkansas mafia.

    He claims he supports swamp thing Strange out of loyalty. Meanwhile he has cleaned out all of the Trump loyalists from the White House. Except for Miller whom Trump needs to write exciting red meat speeches for the base.

    Trumped talked about getting rid of friends at the rally last night:


    “May have to get rid of a few of them. I’ve already gotten rid of a few of them,” Trump continued smiling, a possible reference to his once Chief Strategist and now again Breitbart News Chairman Steve Bannon, and Dr. Sebastian Gorka. “But they’re good people. No, they’re good people.”



    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.

    I have always wondered why Steve attracts such terrible commenters.

    You probably never made a deal in your life. Sad!

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  61. @Randal
    If people with "right-wing" (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.

    So Trump is "correct" to say that sports entertainers like NFL wage earners who protest during the national anthem should be sacked. Whether it's a useful political ploy depends on all the usual questions about Trump's motives and reasoning (if any), and practicality and effectiveness, when he comes out with such felicitous suggestions.

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.

    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

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    Nope. I'm a free speech absolutist, and do not like the idea of firing people for their political opinions. But one must play under the rules of the game as they exist, not by the rules one would like it to be played by. When leftists stop hounding people out of their jobs because of their private political views, then the right should stop, too.

    Conventions between adversaries -- e.g. laws of war, and agreements about what is "off-limits" in politics -- are only appropriate insofar as both sides abide by them. When the other guy takes the gloves off, leaving yours on isn't principled, it's surrender.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Yeah, lets keep on going with "wincing with nobility as the Left kicks us in the balls", cause that was a winner.

    Like Kurt Schlicter is so fond of saying: New Rules, baby.
    , @Michael Soeren
    But he made no claim for free speech. I think the point is that train has left the station. Try to keep up.

    Or is the left finally getting nostalgic for liberalism? How touching!
    , @Moses
    Couldn't agree more Mr. Diamond.

    If refusing to fight fire with fire re: getting people fired for speech we don't like means fighting with one arm tied behind our backs and losing, then I, for one, choose losing.

    At least lefties never will be able to say we didn't support free speech.

    , @Broski
    Turnabout is fair play. So the left should be able to economically destroy anyone who says anything they don't like, and the right should not adopt that tactic? There's a reason the alt-right calls traditional establicons cucks.

    Alinsky rule #4: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
    , @europeasant
    Yes Free Speech for thee but not for me.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    Not at all, Brendan Eich, James Damore, Tim Hunt, James Watson, Jason Richwine all lost their jobs because of leftist pressure. They refuse to abide free speech protections when it conflicts with their viewpoints, why should we play nice in return?

    Damore was defending his employers record against a lawsuit, Eich got fired for donating 1K dollars to a group opposing gay marriage, an initiative that won six years earlier, with 70 percent of black voters voting for it. Richwine was fired from a conservative think tank after a social media campaign againt him and his dissertation, research that even socialist Christopher Jencks didnt object to on scholarship grounds.

    Watson was censured by the research organization he helped build and forced to sell his Nobel Prize medal to raise money and Hunt was forced to resign and has moved to Japan for 5 years. I think all if these guys had far nuanced arguments than the likes of Colin Kaepernick, but the PC thought police didnt care.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    I, for one, have always made it quite clear that I do not believe there is any such right to free speech, nor do I support the political manufacture of such a right. Error has no rights. There is no right to speak untruth in public or to disturb the peace with agitations.
    , @Hibernian
    Freedom of speech is a right of the people vis a vis the government, not each other.
    , @reiner Tor
    I'm not sure about Randal, but you (and many other commenters) are actually conflating two very different things. On one hand, most on the alt-right don't think that it should be possible to hound out Mr. Unknown Nobody from his inconsequential obscure job over what he said outside work hours, e.g. participating at a white nationalist rally. On the other hand, the situation would be quite different if the guy was arguing during office hours with clients about his white nationalist views. In such a case, I think, most of us would at least accept the right of the employer to sack the employee for antagonizing clients. It's in essence the latter that we are dealing with here, football players propagandizing the audience (upon whom the livelihood of the league depends) for black nationalism and BLM.
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  62. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump’s tasty tough-talking tweets really help to wash down the shit sandwiches he serves up on real issues like immigration, Afghanistan, trade etc.

    Just try to forget that Trump is working hard to install another ludicrous McConnell lackey in the senate.

    Worst negotiator ever? or Uniparty frontman?

    You decide.

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  63. haddox says:
    @SF
    The CNN commentators need to realize that the first amendment doesn't prevent your boss from firing you if you say something bad for the business when you are on the clock. Well, they do understand that I guess, for Google employees.

    Exactly. This is a critical point here. By addressing the owners/NFL, Trump is turning the left’s “free speech is not free from consequences” crap right back around. Exposing their first amendment hypocrisy, like Charlottesville, the Damore double-standard, etc. Nice work.

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  64. I see this as more of Trump’s Strange New Luck.

    Look, the guy is right on both the substance and the politics of this.

    In how many other settings would it be considered OK for someone to push very controversial politics in a business setting, and especially in the face of customers many of whom might vehemently disagree? At McDonalds? At Macy’s? When selling life insurance? Where would this be tolerated?

    And I think a good majority of Americans will agree with him on this, and many of them very strongly — which is the politics of it.

    As for whether it’s just a “distraction”, I just don’t think that understands the man. Trump does and says what he does and says when and where he does and says it because at that moment in time it’s what he is thinking and feeling.

    DACA will end up however it will end up, independent of this issue.

    Trump can walk and chew gum, or walk and not chew gum, depending on his inclination.

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    With respect to the unctuous statements uttered by everyone from NFL head Mr. Goodell down through the PR people of individual teams, who do you think the fan base for their "product" is? People who stand up and give speeches in Faculty Senate?
    , @The Comedian
    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony. Would you play the national anthem before every sales pitch selling insurance? Make a shout out to the military machine and accept marketing money from the Pentagon? Sign a contract while remembering to salute the troops?
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  65. @Cwhatfuture
    It is meaningless to anything, achieves nothing, but it drives the Left crazy - and they are even more deranged than before - so it's worth it. Watching Trump treat the Left like the Left treats every opponent every day is a pleasure. Call out names! Disinvite! Call them out, boycott! Great.

    Except that the NFL is a huge cultural focal point that itself has come to serve as a distraction from substantive issues in the minds of Middle American voters. If landing a few punches on the bread-and-circus machine awakens a few more Deplorables, it will have as big an effect on the Overton Window as Trump’s verbal shots at the MSM.

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    Exactly. There are no distractions in the culture war.
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  66. Marty T says:
    @wiseguy
    The league's future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries. Player criminality and protests got it wobbling. Trump just pushed it over.

    The NFL and the NBA will never be the same. Like ESPN, they have rejected their viewers, and their viewers will in turn reject them.

    NFL is a dying league long term because this CTE stuff isn’t going away, and to compensate they’re taking out the big hits (i.e. the reason we watch). The protests and controversy only accelerate the trend. Most owners are Republican.

    More interesting is the NBA. The product and stars are more marketable than they’ve been in a long time, but the league has consciously chosen to be a leftist, anti Trump, intolerant organization. Its two biggest stars (LeBron and Steph) are outwardly hostile to the president in a way that seems to be unprecedented. Their fan base leans liberal anyway so they’ll be fine, but they are missing an opportunity.

    Steph Curry is idolized by kids. As out front as he is with his hatred of Trump, it’s time for him to pay a financial price. I can think of Under Armour, Infiniti and Chase as companies he endorses. Conservatives MUST be more ruthless with their $$ and boycotting of the enemy. It’s not that difficult to buy other products and to target the most anti Trump activists (like Curry) in their bank accounts.

    Also, clearly do not watch the NBA.

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    Yes #BoycottNBA #BOYCOTTNFL

    boycott all products endorsed by Lebron, Curry

    That's the only way to serve them a shit sandwich.
    , @Ed
    The NBA is an interesting organization. I've always thought it'd be the first sports league to collapse. I figured at some point whites would tire of seeing blacks go up and down the court. I've been proven wrong. The NBA is pretty big with white liberal males. A number of liberal journalists such as Hayes & Yglesias love it and have deep knowledge of the sport.

    Although nearly half the fan base is black their commitment to watching the games keeps ratings afloat. The issue is as the former Hawks owner pointed out is that they don't buy merchandise when attending games. Still with the decline of TV viewing in general live sports that can draw consistent ratings are a gold mine.
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  67. haddox says:
    @Angular momentum
    Classic Trump trap. Owners and media types prefer to ignore the low IQ antics emanating from the usual suspects. Trump is forcing them to defend stupid with equally stupid rhetoric e.g. "Lack of respect of the NFL" and the like. This is a winner for Trump.

    No doubt. He is also enticing a bunch of these knuckleheads to kneel tomorrow. The whole things boils down to forcing the sanctimonious league and its greedy owners to choose between BLM fellow travelers (and the media that will be hysterically and sympathetically be reporting all this as Rosa Parks 2 versus a “white supremacist” president) and their white, largely blue-collar fan base who just wants to watch the game. The master troll at work.

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  68. RJJCDA says:

    Just don’t watch sports once you are no longer an adolescent. Even dolts should be able to find some activity more rewarding. For those of median IQ and above, why not try READING?

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  69. @Angular momentum
    Classic Trump trap. Owners and media types prefer to ignore the low IQ antics emanating from the usual suspects. Trump is forcing them to defend stupid with equally stupid rhetoric e.g. "Lack of respect of the NFL" and the like. This is a winner for Trump.

    Not just defend stupid, but defend anti-Americanism. NFL fans skew heavily toward the patriotic end of the spectrum, while the paid entertainers seem to be modern versions of Jane Fonda. More and more Deplorables will peel away their allegiance from the Mau-Mau if a leader like Trump shows the way.

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  70. Rod1963 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    Spot on.

    Organized sports has poisoned the white working and middle-class in this country. That along with all the other forms of media you mentioned indicates they are entertaining themselves to death.

    Pro ball sports saps their emotional and intellectual energy, it distracts them, destroys tribal unity and basically owns them. It doesn’t matter which sport. Basketball, football or soccer they all do the same thing to the masses. Why do you think 3rd world countries go out of their way to promote soccer? Not because it’s good for the people, it’s not. It’s to refocus the people’s energy onto something that is totally useless.

    It also has made it hard for many men to talk to one another about anything other than sports. Because most of these guys have no other hobby or interest other than watching a bunch of multimillionaires who despise them.

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    It also has made it hard for many men to talk to one another about anything other than sports.
     
    That's all we talk about at my office. Most of my friends are the same. If you try bringing up the national debt or oligarch corruption around these guys, they'll give you a puzzled look.

    The sad thing is that sports aren't even really much of a social glue these days. Back 25 years ago, when the home team played, guys would sit together at the bar and bond over the shared experience. These days men do a lot more watching alone. Even when they watch together, they spend a lot of time (usually when no play is happening on the field) looking at their "smart phone." Sports are important, but so is constantly checking "social media." Actual real life conversations aren't so important.

    For a lot of people, being a sportsfan is about identifying yourself with the "winners," not building camaraderie with the people around you.

    watching a bunch of multimillionaires who despise them.
     
    For the large majority of American men, the high point of their life is spending their weekends watching a bunch of multimillionaires play with a ball.

    Sports are a Weapon of Mass Distraction.

    I think a lot of people figure their life (job, finances, marriage, physical condition, health) sucks. The average person perceives themself to be a "loser" and they're too fatalistic/apathetic/lethargic to do anything about it. Sports are a way to, at least for a few hours on Sunday, be apart of the "winning team" without actually having to do anything (except cheer! and wear an oversized jersey with some guy's name on it).
    , @Ed
    Maybe it's just my dept & office but I've actually noticed the opposite. A declining interest in the NFL. There are five men in our department and 2 are immigrants. They have no interest in football. Of us 3 Americans, I'm the only one that watches the NFL regularly. The other two talk hockey, soccer and MLB.
    , @Saint Louis
    If you haven't seen Patton Oswalt's film "Big Fan", I highly recommend it. It touches on a lot of what you are talking about.
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  71. @JohnnyWalker123
    Sports are the opiate of the American masses. It's amazing how much emotional energy and time the average North American person invests in watching the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/NCAA-FB.

    I have a lot of (mostly male) friends, coworkers, and relatives for whom the outcome of a game determines their happiness for the next week of their lives. Some of these people spend their lunch hour surfing the internet, looking at college football prospects that they want to draft next year. These people have never heard of the H-1b visa or NAFTA, but they're experts on the West Coast offense and LSU's running game.

    It's really amazing when you think about it.

    In my area, a lot of people have started wearing jerseys every Friday to support our local team.

    If whites guys boycott they should post about the healthy, productive things they do instead. Use the Take a Knee hashtag too.
    Then maybe add a profit loss analysis. I have buddies who spend tons on tickets and tailgating. But even just 15 hours on a couch is a huge loss when there is a gig economy to work in… instead of spending 500 make 500. That’s a healthy second no each week…
    If the oligarchs are making money off of your passive eyeballs, flip your time to make money for yourself…

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  72. t says:

    Bruce Maxwell of the As took knee tonight the media says he black but he doesn’t show it.

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  73. @Bubba
    It will be interesting tomorrow to see how many of the crybaby-millionaires "protest" after President Trump's comments. They should all be grateful to have an NFL contract because most of them would be drug dealers, in jail or dead. The NFL has been caving to the SJW's for years (thanks to the spineless Roger Goodell) and it will soon be on par with the lesbian basketball league in popularity.

    Back when we had a healthy society…

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    Vince Lombardi was a Kennedy Democrat of sorts. He endorsed JFK in 1960 and RFK when he ran in 1968. On the other hand, per biographer David Maraniss, Lombardi was disturbed by the left-wing "protesters" of the late 60's and was making very conservative sounding speeches the last year of his life.
    , @Clyde
    When Pride Still Mattered : A Life Of Vince Lombardi Paperback – September 3, 2000
    by David Maraniss (Author)
    4.7 out of 5 stars 321 customer reviews
    https://www.amazon.com/When-Pride-Still-Mattered-Lombardi/dp/0684870185


    ****** Yes I read it when came out

    https://i.imgur.com/bzye7gT.jpg

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson II
    You gotta love the guy on the right of that pic. "Facemask? I don't need no stinking facemask."
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  74. Shammo says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Nope. I’m a free speech absolutist, and do not like the idea of firing people for their political opinions. But one must play under the rules of the game as they exist, not by the rules one would like it to be played by. When leftists stop hounding people out of their jobs because of their private political views, then the right should stop, too.

    Conventions between adversaries — e.g. laws of war, and agreements about what is “off-limits” in politics — are only appropriate insofar as both sides abide by them. When the other guy takes the gloves off, leaving yours on isn’t principled, it’s surrender.

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    And jut when, pray tell, are leftists going to "stop hounding people out of their jobs because of their private political views?"
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  75. @JohnnyWalker123
    Football riots in England.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhn7qrc9E7A

    Were the residents of Rotherham to meek and high-minded to protest? Or maybe were they too distracted by sportsball to give a damn?

    Amen brother…

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  76. Boomstick says:

    He’s mentioned him before. Nope, no relation.

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    Thanks
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  77. haddox says:
    @Chase
    The NFL - for better or worse (worse) - is the United States’ de facto religion. This is really, really important. Conservatives for 60 years have avoided truly engaging in the culture wars as the Left fights it. This is why Trump was elected.

    It is a big deal – this is a proxy race war for hearts and minds. Per JohnnyWalker’s depressing litany, sportsball is the enemy. And it’s like they told the guy in Concussion: “You’re going to war with a corporation that owns a day of the week.” You go Mr. ZFG President.

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  78. @Jack Hanson
    Kaus is like Ann where he's been predicting Trump will give citizenship to 6.5 billion people since Nov 9, 2016. He's definitely got a good battered wives racket gpimg for people who are into eating blackpills like Skittles. Meanwhile his every action seems to further sort the sheep from the goats. I think he knows what he's doing more than the loudmouth who refused to take direction from Tucker Carlson and lost his job because of it.

    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that'll be a hell of a coup.

    This is a good point. I’m noticing a fracturing on this seemingly silly issue which may actually help clarify allegiances…
    The Left/Right is fairly clear, Trump has been clarifying Top/Bottom
    And this further fractures labels that mask backstabbers
    Basically Trump’s base is rallied, the Left exhausts itself again, Conservative wonks take themselves further out of consideration for leadership of heritage America by saying it’s not Policy and doesn’t matter… “if only he would tweet about the ExIm Bank more! That would seal Ohio in 2020!”
    Trump seems to be pruning …

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  79. Dano says:

    Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes Trump!

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  80. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump is wasting his time with the likes of Kaepernick and the rest of that NFL minstrel show. He should be more concerned that Lil’ Kim is not becoming (as Sean Connery’s James Bond described Auric Goldfinger) “quite mad”—in which case we will be faced with…er…a situation.

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  81. Ed says:

    Trump shouldn’t be calling them “son of bitches”. He’s right in the main though. The Dems would be wise not to get too close to this one though.

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    Would "bastard" be OK, it would be more accurate...
    , @neprof
    Trump should question (tweet) if it's time to end the NFL's tax free status. See how Gooodell and the team owners respond to that.

    I could care less if players don't stand during the national anthem . A question not often ask is why is the national anthem is played before a sporting event?
    , @James Braxton
    Because that is not a strong enough insult for someone who would deliberately disrespect the flag and anthem of our country?
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  82. @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Yeah, lets keep on going with “wincing with nobility as the Left kicks us in the balls”, cause that was a winner.

    Like Kurt Schlicter is so fond of saying: New Rules, baby.

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  83. I’m not surprised that the losers here who thought we were going to lose and want to complain how we might lose are in favor of more losing.

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    The "woe is me" crowd does seem to be out in full force.

    The president hasn't done everything I might have hoped, but an awful lot of his purported sell-outs have seemed a great deal of sound and fury . . . signifying nothing. We're going to hit Syria for the gas attack . . . sort of, a little, once.

    And I bear this in mind: if he's such a sell out to the Deep State, how come the Deep State still hates him so much?
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  84. e says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Trump's Alabama ploy is brilliant. If Big Luther wins, then Trump has a loyal ally who owes his doubtless narrow primary victory to Trump's endorsement. If Big Luther loses, then Roy Moore will be a Trump ally by inclination. WIN/WIN

    I think you might be missing that the Donald is a Big Picture guy. Many such tweets taken individually might make one wonder, “Why’d you go there?” but taken as whole add up to attacks on left wing Marxist ideology and culture. The country’s pop culture has moved so far left, it takes these kinds of bold attacks to free up the majority of Americans so that they feel comfortable saying, “Hell, yes, he’s right.”

    Hollywood, the networks, ESPN, sports “reporters” are all mouthpieces for the LEFT.

    I’m enjoying his calling them out.

    I think he would have fared better had he not called them sob’s but just when I think he’s gone too far, I’m proved wrong.

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  85. I think Trump telling Stefan Curry to not bother coming to the White House was a good move because it basically sent a signal to blacks / SJW that he is not concerned with their bellyaching. A lesser person would be held hostage to that type of race baiting but the Donald just dismisses it, shrugs his shoulders, and moves on. It will be much harder to try and pull that stunt in the future. If you want to come to the White House and get recognition, great, and if you don’t, who cares, you are just a basketball player.

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    Totally agree. And as a basketball fan who hates, hates, hates the NBA, it's even more enjoyable.

    The league is nothing but the promotion of superstar celebrities (Lebron/Curry) to drum up fans who neither care about nor understand the game.

    Anything that tweaks the primadonna ego of an NBA star is ok by me.
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  86. fnn says:
    @wiseguy
    The league's future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries. Player criminality and protests got it wobbling. Trump just pushed it over.

    The NFL and the NBA will never be the same. Like ESPN, they have rejected their viewers, and their viewers will in turn reject them.

    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries…

    Since nobody on the thread brought this up:

    http://www.spin.ph/football/news/aaron-fernandez-diagnosed-with-severe-cte-as-nfl-patriots-face-lawsuit-from-former-stars-family

    BOSTON — Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez had a severe case of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, his lawyer said on Thursday in announcing a lawsuit against the NFL and the team for hiding the true dangers of the sport.

    Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, said Hernandez had Stage 3 (out of 4) of the disease, which can cause violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive disorders.

    “We’re told it was the most severe case they had ever seen for someone of Aaron’s age,” attorney Jose Baez said.

    Yeah, but it can only be diagnosed by autopsy, and he died at age 27.That’s pretty young even for an NFL player.

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    "That's pretty young even for an NFL player."

    Well, when you hang yourself in a prison cell while doing Life, it doesn't matter how young you are.
    , @Jonathan Silber
    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries….

    Ask your lawyer if CTE is right for you.
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  87. @Raekwon
    I'm more or less in agreement here. It's annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes "hell yeah!", but I know it's distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he's going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.

    I wouldnt count on that I wont vote for him again and I was stalwart from get go. hes totally betrayed us on the one thing he was different on, and bloomberg will probably the lefts pick so thats a safe bet for them no hes one and done and i doubt he will run anyway

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  88. @candid_observer
    I see this as more of Trump's Strange New Luck.

    Look, the guy is right on both the substance and the politics of this.

    In how many other settings would it be considered OK for someone to push very controversial politics in a business setting, and especially in the face of customers many of whom might vehemently disagree? At McDonalds? At Macy's? When selling life insurance? Where would this be tolerated?

    And I think a good majority of Americans will agree with him on this, and many of them very strongly -- which is the politics of it.

    As for whether it's just a "distraction", I just don't think that understands the man. Trump does and says what he does and says when and where he does and says it because at that moment in time it's what he is thinking and feeling.

    DACA will end up however it will end up, independent of this issue.

    Trump can walk and chew gum, or walk and not chew gum, depending on his inclination.

    With respect to the unctuous statements uttered by everyone from NFL head Mr. Goodell down through the PR people of individual teams, who do you think the fan base for their “product” is? People who stand up and give speeches in Faculty Senate?

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  89. @candid_observer
    I see this as more of Trump's Strange New Luck.

    Look, the guy is right on both the substance and the politics of this.

    In how many other settings would it be considered OK for someone to push very controversial politics in a business setting, and especially in the face of customers many of whom might vehemently disagree? At McDonalds? At Macy's? When selling life insurance? Where would this be tolerated?

    And I think a good majority of Americans will agree with him on this, and many of them very strongly -- which is the politics of it.

    As for whether it's just a "distraction", I just don't think that understands the man. Trump does and says what he does and says when and where he does and says it because at that moment in time it's what he is thinking and feeling.

    DACA will end up however it will end up, independent of this issue.

    Trump can walk and chew gum, or walk and not chew gum, depending on his inclination.

    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony. Would you play the national anthem before every sales pitch selling insurance? Make a shout out to the military machine and accept marketing money from the Pentagon? Sign a contract while remembering to salute the troops?

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    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony.
     
    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation's name.

    But back to your point, yeah, playing the national anthem at domestic sporting competitions is a somewhat bizarre practice, now I think about it. I've never been too big on mindless patriotism, so even though I can understand why plenty of people might find it a pleasure to have the opportunity to express pride in and love for their country in such a powerful group setting, this is one of those rare instances I think I could agree with a cult marx-like critique of a time-honored custom.
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  90. Luke says:
    @Boomstick
    He's mentioned him before. Nope, no relation.

    Thanks

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    Chris Sailer, the kicking coach, went to Notre Dame H.S. in Sherman Oaks, CA about 19 years after I did.

    The name Sailer isn't really that rare, but there are various spellings.

    A lot of Sailers are in the upper Midwest, such as the Dakotas. Not that many people from there make it into, say, Wikipedia. In contrast, it's a lot easier to become slightly well known at the Chris Sailer / Steve Sailer level if you are from Sherman Oaks.

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.
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  91. bartok says:
    @Raekwon
    I'm more or less in agreement here. It's annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes "hell yeah!", but I know it's distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he's going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.

    The presidency is a lousy pulpit.

    It is a great perch from which to plot domestic policy sabotage. How could you subvert Title IX so that universities were forced to hire and tenure conservatives in all departments? How could you pink-slip 50% of federal employees, e.g. through long furloughs? How could you monkey wrench the immigration courts or provoke the Supreme Court into bringing its Circuits to heel?

    Unfortunately Trump sees the president as the CEO of the government, the one thing it is decidedly not.

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  92. Polynikes says:
    @Angular momentum
    Classic Trump trap. Owners and media types prefer to ignore the low IQ antics emanating from the usual suspects. Trump is forcing them to defend stupid with equally stupid rhetoric e.g. "Lack of respect of the NFL" and the like. This is a winner for Trump.

    Agree. Trump has good political instincts when it comes to driving wedges into the lefts identity politics.

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  93. Maj. Kong says:

    The average Boomer conservative is getting a wake up call about what their athletic “heroes” think about them. In a contest between Donald Trump and Colin Kapernick, even a neocon will chose Trump.

    Professional sports has a serious financial viability problem. It depends upon taxpayer funding of stadiums, and the mandatory purchase of cable bundles rather than a la carte. Cord cutting is an easy thing to do, and I doubt most will miss channels they don’t watch.

    And it is awkward for the left to be defending the NFL here, as many are angry that Kapernick has been blackballed.

    Anyone who says “free speech” needs the hounds send after them, considering what the Silicon Dons have been doing to the alt-right.

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    Truth! From you and thanks. And I am in a situation where I can discriminate (in a nanosecond) between truth and crap aka BS
    , @Henry's Cat

    It depends upon taxpayer funding of stadiums
     
    I wasn't aware of this. What form(s) does this take? What other sports benefit?
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  94. Maj. Kong says:
    @Ed
    Trump shouldn't be calling them "son of bitches". He's right in the main though. The Dems would be wise not to get too close to this one though.

    Would “bastard” be OK, it would be more accurate…

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  95. Maj. Kong says:

    If a group of players turned their backs to the flag, in protesting the legality of abortion, does anyone think that would be tolerated? Or if a player put a Confederate decal on their helmet? Even NASCAR has made the Southern Saltire verboten.

    And for that matter, it is the right, not the left, that should be burning the flag.

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  96. @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    But he made no claim for free speech. I think the point is that train has left the station. Try to keep up.

    Or is the left finally getting nostalgic for liberalism? How touching!

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  97. Sandmich says:

    Agree with other commentators: Trump trolled them hard on this and rather than blowing off his comments as I did (and mind you I’m generally a Trump supporter), they decided to quadruple down on “stupid” in order to make a point that no one wants made. “Taking your ball and going home” is generally not a good idea when the only reason you exist is so that people will pay money to watch you play with the ball.

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  98. MEH 0910 says:
    @Mikeja
    Mickey Kaus made the point that it's likely some red meat for the base while he caves on immigration. He's possibly right but I'm glad someone said something.

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  99. @Seth Largo
    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.

    Maybe, and yet…

    The left has made ‘the long march through the institutions’ one by one – academia, journalism, popular entertainment – and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the ‘more exigent concerns’ of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I’m not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we’re witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left’s ‘long march.’ What’s significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

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    It's the football to prison pipeline for those kids.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Seth Largo probably thought taking a stand against keeping men out of the ladies restroom was "petty, saps socio-political energy".

    These are the big brains that couldn't conserve your daughter not having to deal with a pervert!
    , @Autochthon
    “Psephology,” eh? I’ve not learned a new word in many years; thank you, sir.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

     

    Very well-stated.

    It's ironic. In the chaos of the 60s the ostensibly-materialist Marxists began to turn their relentless efforts toward the undermining of culture, and they broadened and reinvigorated those attacks after the fall of the Berlin wall and the USSR 1989-91. Simultaneously, and likely not coincidentally, 'conservatives' focused their arguments more and more upon the economic sphere. Maybe winning there seemed like it would be enough. We know now it has not been so.

    Trump is rolling the dice with this attack on Big Sports. The devotion to sports among ordinary Americans is vast and deep, and therefore has massive inertia. I guess Trump is calculating, or at least sensing, that the half-empty NFL stadiums and decline of ESPN are signals that the tide has turned sufficiently to try to push back the front lines of this battle in the culture war.

    So what's going to happen?

    Maybe Trump 'wins', i.e. the NFL starts cracking down on visible dissent, ESPN fires Jemele Hill and other sporty SJWs, and we go back to sports just being sports.

    But I don't think that's likely. The culture is too far gone.

    A more likely outcome is that pro sports becomes another Hollywood, forcing down its fans' throats a tablespoon of indoctrination for every teaspoon of entertainment. This would leave cultural conservatives with the dilemma of either supporting their declared enemies, or wholly abandoning this important aspect of their own culture.

    But I say kudos to Trump for trying.

    , @midtown
    Well put.
    , @Seth Largo
    While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    Republicans control the vast majority of state/federal political offices in the country, and have controlled them for a while. Outside CA and NY, state-level politics trend rightward.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem

    Which they wouldn't be doing if Trump had kept his mouth shut. Kaepernick et al. were last season's news. Now the Resistance has a whole new Schelling point.

    The only way Trump's calling out the NFL makes good strategic sense is if it's designed to accelerate what you or he think is an inevitable civil war between Red and Blue tribes. And that's fine. I can understand that logic. But I don't think that's what you're saying, and I don't believe for a second that's the Trumpian long game.
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  100. Warner says:

    I haven’t yet seen anyone mention that Donald Trump has been aiming to take down the NFL for 35 years. He was a team owner and the major mouthpiece of the USFL. He wrote about it in Art of the Deal. He won his case against the NFL but a symbolic amount of $3 was all that was paid and of course the NFL went on to unfairly crush competition. 30+ years later, is Trump getting the last laugh?

    From a business, moral, medical, legal, and cultural viewpoint, the NFL deserves to die.

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    Congress could vote to remove the legality of tax-exempt municipal bonds used to construct sports stadiums.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-the-federal-government-should-stop-spending-billions-on-private-sports-stadiums/

    https://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
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  101. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Gee, Trump’s NFL/NBA tweet tantrum sure did knock the YUGE MISTAKE Luther Strange endorsement fiasco out of the news cycle.

    Funny that.

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  102. JoeT55 says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    I've soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand - and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage - on something substantive. I don't care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don't actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these "field-hand torching the plantation" tactics. If they do, they're more retarded than I thought.

    I'm more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support Swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he's making fools of everyone who truly supported him.

    Yeah, a bunch of multimillionaire athletes working for billionaire team owners in tax payer subsidized stadiums are the real victims of discrimination and it’s just fine if they and the owners insult everyone else since the swamp is twisting Trump around. So of course he shouldn’t say anything about millionaires insulting his base voters and God forbid he take on team owners who hate him. It’s not like he ever owned a professional football team or dealt with prima donna players before.

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  103. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    Yo, Mister 123! You mentioned the lying liarly liars who fomented the Iraq debacle with their lying liarly lies only twice in your posting! Surely you can squeeze in another three or four iterations for the more dense amongst us?

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  104. Bubba says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

    It’s the football to prison pipeline for those kids.

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  105. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So imagine if POTUS Obama or POTUS Hillary sent this tweet out today … how would you feel?

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    44m
    Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won’t be around much longer!

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-iran/clinton-says-u-s-could-totally-obliterate-iran-idUSN2224332720080422

    “I want the Iranians to know that if I‘m the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel),” Clinton said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

    “In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,” she said.

    “That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic,” Clinton said.
     
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  106. TheJester says:

    Another case of blacks behaving badly. Another case of the “Missouri Effect” with similar outcomes.

    Team owners are afraid that the black players in the Negro Football League will go on strike if they crack down on political demonstrations during games. Blackmail of course (NPI) … and the team owners have no spine. The black players think they run things. To date they have.

    This is only going to get worse before it gets better. Internet shorts relate that the NFL may lose $200 million if the fans continue to boycott the games to boycott the demonstrations. The number of fans boycotting the games will continue to increase as the black political demonstrations continue to flow into field play.

    At some point, the team owners will act because they cannot afford not to act.

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  107. neprof says:
    @Ed
    Trump shouldn't be calling them "son of bitches". He's right in the main though. The Dems would be wise not to get too close to this one though.

    Trump should question (tweet) if it’s time to end the NFL’s tax free status. See how Gooodell and the team owners respond to that.

    I could care less if players don’t stand during the national anthem . A question not often ask is why is the national anthem is played before a sporting event?

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    http://time.com/3839164/nfl-tax-exempt-status/

    That has already happened, but the stadium bonds are still tax exempt, and taxes are still being used to fund stadiums.
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  108. @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

    Seth Largo probably thought taking a stand against keeping men out of the ladies restroom was “petty, saps socio-political energy”.

    These are the big brains that couldn’t conserve your daughter not having to deal with a pervert!

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  109. Broski says:

    Too bad he had to criticize the recent changes to prevent head trauma one day after it came out that Aaron Hernandez, deranged and violent (likely serial) murderer, had the worst case of CTE ever seen in someone his age.

    But very encouraging for the base that Trump is standing with traditional America against BLM, which is what this is about in people’s guts.

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  110. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @San Fernando Curt
    I've soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand - and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage - on something substantive. I don't care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don't actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these "field-hand torching the plantation" tactics. If they do, they're more retarded than I thought.

    I'm more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support Swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he's making fools of everyone who truly supported him.

    In fairness, he negatively referenced the kneeling NFLers at a campaign rally. You got to give the faithful some fun red-meat type material at those things.

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  111. BenKenobi says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    “did they get you to trade,
    your heroes for ghosts?
    hot ashes for trees?
    hot air for a cool breeze?
    and did you exchange;
    a walk on part in the war;
    for a lead role in a cage?”

    Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here

    The country is still not polarized enough. But this NFL thing is a great bit of accelerationism.

    My favorite part is the good-thinkers accusing the President of injecting politics into football. The absolute chutzpah.

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    I remember that song.

    Remember the Matrix? Most Americans, if given the opportunity, would choose to stay plugged into the Matrix. They're ready to trade away their patrimony for entertainment, fun, and pleasure.

    Americans want sportsball, tv, movies, music videos, and an Instagram account with lots of "likes." Give them that and they'll trade away everything their ancestors built and fought for.

    Unfortunately, it seems that the other Western nations (especially UK and Canada) are probably the same.

    If you want to understand the late-stage Roman Empire and what led to its collapse, I suggest paying close attention to modern day Americans and other Westerners. There are many similarities. Especially the bread& circuses and totally corrupt/incompetent/insane leaders.
    , @res

    My favorite part is the good-thinkers accusing the President of injecting politics into football. The absolute chutzpah.
     
    This. LeBron James being the most notable example I saw.
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  112. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I’m hearing twitter chatter that there are several hundred players planning on kneeling or some other form of protest.

    Should be an interesting day tomorrow.

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    Millions of Boomers could be redpilled out of sportsball forever???
    , @Bubba
    Then their ratings will go even lower and the NFL executives will be in a bigger panic than they are now. The NFL fan base does not consist of hundreds of thousands of SJW's filling up stadiums every week or millions of BLM homosexuals watching on TV. Quite the opposite. The NFL (and NBA) are finished and good riddance.
    , @FozzieT
    There’s some great golf action this weekend (TOUR Championship/FedEx Cup) and next (President’s Cup USA vs. Non-European world’s best).
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  113. JSM says:

    I think Trump calling out NFL for anti-Americanism is GREAT.

    The worship of black football players by White American men is, in part, the cause of what ails
    America right now.
    The guys were too busy jock-sniffing to notice that globalists are taking their country from them.

    My dad told me, years ago, it was part of Comintern’s plan for world domination, to get American men addicted to professional football, in order to keep them from rising up and stopping them.

    Trump is saying to White American men, put America First, not NFL, dammit.
    This is what needs to happen.

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    White men worshipping black athletes is race treason and 100 million White men do it every day. Even worse, they indoctrinate their sons into the worship of black athletes.

    And White men ignore racial discrimination against Whites due to affirmative action. Just stop watching black sports. It doesn't take any effort. Putting an anti affirmative action referendum on the ballot takes effort.
    But not watching black sports takes no effort whatsoever.

    Hockey is still White. Watch that.
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  114. @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

    “Psephology,” eh? I’ve not learned a new word in many years; thank you, sir.

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  115. Maj. Kong says:
    @Warner
    I haven't yet seen anyone mention that Donald Trump has been aiming to take down the NFL for 35 years. He was a team owner and the major mouthpiece of the USFL. He wrote about it in Art of the Deal. He won his case against the NFL but a symbolic amount of $3 was all that was paid and of course the NFL went on to unfairly crush competition. 30+ years later, is Trump getting the last laugh?

    From a business, moral, medical, legal, and cultural viewpoint, the NFL deserves to die.

    Congress could vote to remove the legality of tax-exempt municipal bonds used to construct sports stadiums.

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/why-the-federal-government-should-stop-spending-billions-on-private-sports-stadiums/

    https://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

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  116. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm hearing twitter chatter that there are several hundred players planning on kneeling or some other form of protest.

    Should be an interesting day tomorrow.

    Millions of Boomers could be redpilled out of sportsball forever???

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  117. Maj. Kong says:
    @neprof
    Trump should question (tweet) if it's time to end the NFL's tax free status. See how Gooodell and the team owners respond to that.

    I could care less if players don't stand during the national anthem . A question not often ask is why is the national anthem is played before a sporting event?

    http://time.com/3839164/nfl-tax-exempt-status/

    That has already happened, but the stadium bonds are still tax exempt, and taxes are still being used to fund stadiums.

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  118. Grumpy says:

    We are still coming to terms with the ongoing Industrial Revolution. A fraction of people work to provide the real necessities. For the rest of us, there are pointless jobs and multiple forms of pointless entertainment.

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  119. What is the NFL thinking, I wonder.

    They’ve been featuring absurdly extravagant displays of the flag and patriotism, and now they choose to double down on their support for the kneeling players?

    They have no clue. And soon they will have little audience.

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    "They've been featuring absurdly extravagant displays of the flag and patriotism, and now they choose to double down on their support for the kneeling players?"

    The NFL has wrapped itself in the flag for decades. They've had many "pro-veteran" displays.

    Another funny thing is the Left around 1970 started attacking the NFL as representing "racist, militarism in American society."
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  120. Bubba says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm hearing twitter chatter that there are several hundred players planning on kneeling or some other form of protest.

    Should be an interesting day tomorrow.

    Then their ratings will go even lower and the NFL executives will be in a bigger panic than they are now. The NFL fan base does not consist of hundreds of thousands of SJW’s filling up stadiums every week or millions of BLM homosexuals watching on TV. Quite the opposite. The NFL (and NBA) are finished and good riddance.

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  121. @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    Very well-stated.

    It’s ironic. In the chaos of the 60s the ostensibly-materialist Marxists began to turn their relentless efforts toward the undermining of culture, and they broadened and reinvigorated those attacks after the fall of the Berlin wall and the USSR 1989-91. Simultaneously, and likely not coincidentally, ‘conservatives’ focused their arguments more and more upon the economic sphere. Maybe winning there seemed like it would be enough. We know now it has not been so.

    Trump is rolling the dice with this attack on Big Sports. The devotion to sports among ordinary Americans is vast and deep, and therefore has massive inertia. I guess Trump is calculating, or at least sensing, that the half-empty NFL stadiums and decline of ESPN are signals that the tide has turned sufficiently to try to push back the front lines of this battle in the culture war.

    So what’s going to happen?

    Maybe Trump ‘wins’, i.e. the NFL starts cracking down on visible dissent, ESPN fires Jemele Hill and other sporty SJWs, and we go back to sports just being sports.

    But I don’t think that’s likely. The culture is too far gone.

    A more likely outcome is that pro sports becomes another Hollywood, forcing down its fans’ throats a tablespoon of indoctrination for every teaspoon of entertainment. This would leave cultural conservatives with the dilemma of either supporting their declared enemies, or wholly abandoning this important aspect of their own culture.

    But I say kudos to Trump for trying.

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    Important to note that the left-wing has despised the post-9/11 militarism that has become a part of the pro-sports pageantry. Remember that the Defense Department was paying the NFL to honor veterans during the games.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/05/454834662/pentagon-paid-sports-teams-millions-for-paid-patriotism-events

    So, from their perspective, we are getting our just desserts in this struggle session. The average Boomer sportsball fan is indifferent to BLM, we are outright hostile. The left hopes the Boomer will make a self-criticism, but I am betting they will be red-pilled.
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  122. I’ve seen a lot of fainting about Trump being Trump, but not a whole lot of explanation of how the NFL gets out of the Xanatos gambit Trump set up.

    Don’t kneel? Trump wins cause you know he’s right.

    Kneel? Trump wins because he showed the nation he’s right.

    What, the NFL is going to dig up the corpse of Pat Tillman for a REAL AMERICAN HEROES SPECTACULAR after insisting its players can disrespect said REAL AMERICAN HEROES? The best the NFL can hope for at this point is that some hothead doesn’t burn a flag on national teevee and they don’t bloody themselves too badly tomorrow.

    Hmm, a bunch of juiced up low IQ types with little impulse control, unused to being challenged on any field but a physical one and likely suffering from brain damage? Yeah, I’m sure they’ll show restraint.

    Again, its Doom o Clock 24/7 for many of you, who have the political instincts of Hillary Clinton.

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    Pat Tillman was left-wing. Before he was killed, he was setting up a meeting with Noam Chomsky to lead protests against the war when he left active duty.
    , @res
    Xanatos Gambit needs to get more traction as a way of explaining some of Trump's actions: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit

    A Xanatos Gambit is a plan for which all foreseeable outcomes benefit the creator — including ones that superficially appear to be failure. The creator predicts potential attempts to thwart the plan, and arranges the situation such that the creator will ultimately benefit even if their adversary "succeeds" in "stopping" them. When faced with a Xanatos Gambit the options are either to accept that the creator will get the upper hand and choose the outcome that is least beneficial to them, or to defeat them by finding a course that they didn't predict.
     
    It will be interesting to watch how this NFL kerfuffle plays out.
    , @Sane Left Libertarian

    Hmm,... low IQ types with little impulse control, unused to being challenged on any field
     
    Sounds just like the current inhabitant of the White House
    , @anonguy

    Again, its Doom o Clock 24/7 for many of you, who have the political instincts of Hillary Clinton.
     
    What you have to understand is that there is a built-in propensity for people to believe doom is imminent unless they do blah blah blah.

    That is because for most of human existence, this has been true. The crops are going to fail, the village is going to get raided, the plague is going to come, unless someone does something immediately.

    It is an innate instinct, just like birds building nests from twigs.

    Note that have compulsion to collect these things even when the nest is done.

    Thus in our era, with a lot less imminent disasters because safety/civilization, people are still compelled to see doom everywhere. I've been hearing about doom/gloom, from peak oil to global warming to black helicopters to fiat money collapse (any day now...) to whatever since whenever.

    We humans also have a corresponding propensity to listen to doom-sayers, so it it is a little bit tough, but ignore them, they are just an evolutionary mismatch at the moment like the climate change people.
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  123. JS says:
    @Luke
    Hey Steve is kick guru Chris Sailer at all related to you?

    They both went to Sherman Oaks Notre Dame (and UCLA at some point), but not contemporaneously.

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/search?q=%22chris+sailer%22

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  124. @Luke
    Thanks

    Chris Sailer, the kicking coach, went to Notre Dame H.S. in Sherman Oaks, CA about 19 years after I did.

    The name Sailer isn’t really that rare, but there are various spellings.

    A lot of Sailers are in the upper Midwest, such as the Dakotas. Not that many people from there make it into, say, Wikipedia. In contrast, it’s a lot easier to become slightly well known at the Chris Sailer / Steve Sailer level if you are from Sherman Oaks.

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.

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    Way wait. The Dakotas are now part of the Upper Midwest? Seriously?
    Always thought the Upper Midwest was MI, WI, MN, IL, IN, part of OH. Deluth, MN is kind of the end point for the Upper Midwest, after that it's the largely sparse populated swath of basically not much going on of any relevance til one hits the coast at Seattle.

    If anything, would tend to think the Dakotas comprise the High Plains region, 'cause they're fairly close to the Rockies.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    If you want to be successful, you'll have a lot more access to opportunities if you're near where the action is. Location matters a lot.

    NorCal has always been a good place to be if you were an academic or technologist.
    SoCal has always been good for entertainers (actors, models, athletes, musicians).

    I wonder if, in this age of globalization and easy communication, things are changing.
    , @res

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.
     
    This is interesting enough to deserve some followup: http://www.businessinsider.com/everybody-lies-wikipedia-success-study-2017-8

    One thing I find interesting is the interpretation of "has Wikipedia page" as "is successful." I like that iSteve gave the real metric involved.
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  125. Maj. Kong says:
    @AndrewR
    Then maybe heritage America deserves to get screwed over if they allow their president to get distracted on trivial BS instead of following through on what he campaigned on.

    Politics is downstream from culture.

    -Andrew Breitbart

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  126. jackmcg says:

    Players not standing for the anthem is dumb and everyone knows it. Trump gets high approval there.

    On the other hand, I thought his tweet about Stephen Curry was dumb. I get it, he’s kind of in a crappy spot. Two digit IQ mystery meats get to grandstand on him by “boycotting the White House” 4 times a year for easy press. But he really shouldn’t respond to crap like that. Just invite the team, host graciously the ones who come, and let the liberal crybaby athletes look butthurt.

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    No. Trump played it perfectly. Curry whined like a child when Trump took his grandstanding opportunity from him. And now players who wanted to go to the WH will blame him for his self-absorbed grandstanding (as they should).

    It's refreshing to see a President call out this trashy behavior for what it is.
    , @res

    Just invite the team, host graciously the ones who come, and let the liberal crybaby athletes look butthurt.
     
    It was not going to play out like that (I suspect this is what prompted Trump to respond). The Warriors decided to have a team meeting and choose whether or not to attend as a group.

    https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/22/golden-state-warriors-white-house-donald-trump-visit-meeting

    Note the timing of this article and Trump's tweet (9/23).
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  127. Maj. Kong says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

     

    Very well-stated.

    It's ironic. In the chaos of the 60s the ostensibly-materialist Marxists began to turn their relentless efforts toward the undermining of culture, and they broadened and reinvigorated those attacks after the fall of the Berlin wall and the USSR 1989-91. Simultaneously, and likely not coincidentally, 'conservatives' focused their arguments more and more upon the economic sphere. Maybe winning there seemed like it would be enough. We know now it has not been so.

    Trump is rolling the dice with this attack on Big Sports. The devotion to sports among ordinary Americans is vast and deep, and therefore has massive inertia. I guess Trump is calculating, or at least sensing, that the half-empty NFL stadiums and decline of ESPN are signals that the tide has turned sufficiently to try to push back the front lines of this battle in the culture war.

    So what's going to happen?

    Maybe Trump 'wins', i.e. the NFL starts cracking down on visible dissent, ESPN fires Jemele Hill and other sporty SJWs, and we go back to sports just being sports.

    But I don't think that's likely. The culture is too far gone.

    A more likely outcome is that pro sports becomes another Hollywood, forcing down its fans' throats a tablespoon of indoctrination for every teaspoon of entertainment. This would leave cultural conservatives with the dilemma of either supporting their declared enemies, or wholly abandoning this important aspect of their own culture.

    But I say kudos to Trump for trying.

    Important to note that the left-wing has despised the post-9/11 militarism that has become a part of the pro-sports pageantry. Remember that the Defense Department was paying the NFL to honor veterans during the games.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/05/454834662/pentagon-paid-sports-teams-millions-for-paid-patriotism-events

    So, from their perspective, we are getting our just desserts in this struggle session. The average Boomer sportsball fan is indifferent to BLM, we are outright hostile. The left hopes the Boomer will make a self-criticism, but I am betting they will be red-pilled.

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  128. Maj. Kong says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I've seen a lot of fainting about Trump being Trump, but not a whole lot of explanation of how the NFL gets out of the Xanatos gambit Trump set up.

    Don't kneel? Trump wins cause you know he's right.

    Kneel? Trump wins because he showed the nation he's right.

    What, the NFL is going to dig up the corpse of Pat Tillman for a REAL AMERICAN HEROES SPECTACULAR after insisting its players can disrespect said REAL AMERICAN HEROES? The best the NFL can hope for at this point is that some hothead doesn't burn a flag on national teevee and they don't bloody themselves too badly tomorrow.

    Hmm, a bunch of juiced up low IQ types with little impulse control, unused to being challenged on any field but a physical one and likely suffering from brain damage? Yeah, I'm sure they'll show restraint.

    Again, its Doom o Clock 24/7 for many of you, who have the political instincts of Hillary Clinton.

    Pat Tillman was left-wing. Before he was killed, he was setting up a meeting with Noam Chomsky to lead protests against the war when he left active duty.

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    Yes, I know that. Tillman worked out of the same firebase I did when he was killed. It is the only time I can remember someone rolling me out of my cot in a literal fashion outside of Benning.

    I took a more than passing interest in Tillman for that reason. Also, what you mentioned hasn't stopped Pat's Run from being the AMERICA'S HERO show every year.
    , @WJ
    Pat Tillman saw the Iraq war first hand and turned against it. If being opposed to that absurd war is left wing then a lot of us are lefties, such a Pat Buchanan.
    , @Anon
    Trollin', trollin', trollin', keep those doggies trollin'
    Rawhide!
    , @Hibernian
    Equating opposition to war with leftism is junior high school logic. The Old Right was antiwar. Collaborating with the likes of Chomsky while on active duty, if it is true, is wrong. Even if it is true, it doesn't justify fragging, if that is true.
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  129. Maj. Kong says:

    An angle I haven’t seen yet:

    The left is always going on an on about the superiority of scientism, and how the right-wing is anti-science.

    The scientific evidence is damning that football clearly destroys brains.

    Let them choose between Kapernick and Science.

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  130. Moses says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Couldn’t agree more Mr. Diamond.

    If refusing to fight fire with fire re: getting people fired for speech we don’t like means fighting with one arm tied behind our backs and losing, then I, for one, choose losing.

    At least lefties never will be able to say we didn’t support free speech.

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  131. @Steve Sailer
    Chris Sailer, the kicking coach, went to Notre Dame H.S. in Sherman Oaks, CA about 19 years after I did.

    The name Sailer isn't really that rare, but there are various spellings.

    A lot of Sailers are in the upper Midwest, such as the Dakotas. Not that many people from there make it into, say, Wikipedia. In contrast, it's a lot easier to become slightly well known at the Chris Sailer / Steve Sailer level if you are from Sherman Oaks.

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.

    Way wait. The Dakotas are now part of the Upper Midwest? Seriously?
    Always thought the Upper Midwest was MI, WI, MN, IL, IN, part of OH. Deluth, MN is kind of the end point for the Upper Midwest, after that it’s the largely sparse populated swath of basically not much going on of any relevance til one hits the coast at Seattle.

    If anything, would tend to think the Dakotas comprise the High Plains region, ’cause they’re fairly close to the Rockies.

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    Oddly enough, folks out west have a different definition of "midwest".

    Decades ago, I saw car dealer ads in Denver papers that offered "The Best Deals in the Midwest".
    , @Wolf
    My relatives in Bismarck, North Dakota, which is 200 miles from the ND/Minnesota border, consider themselves in the Midwest.
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  132. Moses says:
    @jackmcg
    Players not standing for the anthem is dumb and everyone knows it. Trump gets high approval there.

    On the other hand, I thought his tweet about Stephen Curry was dumb. I get it, he's kind of in a crappy spot. Two digit IQ mystery meats get to grandstand on him by "boycotting the White House" 4 times a year for easy press. But he really shouldn't respond to crap like that. Just invite the team, host graciously the ones who come, and let the liberal crybaby athletes look butthurt.

    No. Trump played it perfectly. Curry whined like a child when Trump took his grandstanding opportunity from him. And now players who wanted to go to the WH will blame him for his self-absorbed grandstanding (as they should).

    It’s refreshing to see a President call out this trashy behavior for what it is.

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  133. G Pinfold says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I forgot to add, the issue is especially acute for white Americans, for whom there is practically no legitimate outlet for that instinctual tribal collective social energy. It reminds me how a few years ago in Germany one would see lots of Ferrari Formula One flags in front of people's homes because of their pride about native son champion Michael Schumacher because any other expression of collective or patriotic pride was viewed as unseemly nationalism.

    Yes, but Studies graduates would then write opinion pieces in der Spiegel about the troubling and problematic flags of the prancing pony.

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  134. Maj. Kong says:

    DO NOT FORGET: Every major professional sports league has a security division. This acts as the league’s private police force. It’s known that at least for the NFL, MLB and NBA, their security divisions are staffed with ex-members of the FBI, CIA, DEA, and Homeland Security.  There is at least one member of these security divisions assigned to each team/city within the league above and beyond the staff located at league headquarters. They exist to sniff out trouble within their sport prior to it making headlines (or if worse comes to worse, down play any of their athletes indiscretions). They are not in the business of revealing criminal activity, but rather exist to cover it up.

    http://www.thefixisin.net/rapsheet.html

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    Yep. I Know a guy who retired from the FBI who went to work for the NFL. I asked him how the Super Bowl was; he said he didn't see the game because he, along with many others, was watching the sidelines to make sure only authorized people were there. Then the week after the game, his group started vetting possible draft choices. The NFL is trying to minimize its knuckle head count, but a lot of those available are knuckle heads, or will be at some point.

    The NFL is kinda screwed. 70% of the players are black and ratings, which are already down 10+% from last year, will go straight into the toilet if this BLM wackiness spreads.

    If I were an owner, I would have meeting with all the players and staff and point out to the black players that what they are doing is not very meaningful - why not go volunteer at Big Brothers instead. I would also point out that the NFL is in the entertainment business. If TV ratings go down, I get less money from the TV contract which means I have less money to pay you.
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  135. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/PaIeodeadlift/status/911675295211520001

    Players – field blacks

    Announcers – house blacks

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  136. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @blah blah blah blah
    Steve, since you've written about college football before: there's an angle to all this CTE stuff that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. I think that as concern over football health issues spreads the middle class won't want its kids play football. What happens to college football when that happens? How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes? It's already tough enough to field a team of players who can fit in sufficiently well with the rest of the university and also be competitive.

    Samoa, Tonga, & thereabouts.

    Readin’ ‘n ritin’?
    They’ll fudge that part.

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  137. Broski says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Turnabout is fair play. So the left should be able to economically destroy anyone who says anything they don’t like, and the right should not adopt that tactic? There’s a reason the alt-right calls traditional establicons cucks.

    Alinsky rule #4: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.

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  138. From the point of view of NFL owners, most of whom support Trump, his statements are a nightmare. Other than a few journalists complaining that Kaepernick had been blackballed the whole BLM movement had been slowly losing steam. The owners don’t want a fight, they want the issue to just go away, and with Kaepernick gone the ring leader was out and most black players weren’t interested in picking up that mantle. Instead Trump has brought the whole anthem protest issue to a raging boil, just in time to convince red neck fans that last year’s decision to quit watching the NFL was correct. He also managed to put more light on the CTE controversy, something no owner wants. Maybe Trump does hate the NFL. To rally the base Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives. Good long term play? Maybe, but doesn’t seem thought out.

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    NFL owners aren't conservatives. Take Pittsburgh's Rooney family.
    , @anonguy
    The CTE thing is unbelievable:

    "On July 25, 2017, the Journal of the American Medical Association released an updated study reporting that out of 111 brains of deceased former NFL players studied, 110 (99%) had CTE.[63] This also led to players retiring very early in their career.."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

    , @e
    The NFL has a huge contract with two major networks and one cable network, plus it has its own network.

    This is part and parcel of Trump's war on the media.
    , @bored identity



    "...Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives."

     

    bored identity would say that for some, at least, 25% of these rich white conservatives pretending to be Beyond the Pale is nothing more than a social construct :

    http://forward.com/fast-forward/383391/most-jewish-nfl-owners-condemn-trump-comments/
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  139. G Pinfold says:
    @The True and Original David
    It's good metapolitics (culture war stuff, the basis of public consensus and therefore future public policy). But on the practical, immediate, concrete level, it seems like an attempt by Trump at diverting the attention of his base from his broken promises. These include his doubling-down in Afghanistan, his pushing for a massive immigration amnesty, aka DACA (although he indicated during the campaign that he might go all wobbly on that), his discarding of blue collars (surrounding himself with Goldman Sachs and conflating the stock market and the economy), and his atrocious comments on the Wall last night. He said that the "Wall" is going to be "transparent" - i.e., it will be a fence (chain-link?) - and that it will not run the length of the border.

    Trump might turn out to be only a cheerleader, like Duyba was. But a cheerleader for whom? The same Swamp creatures whom Dubya served, it seems.

    I’m not as bleak on Trump as you seem to be, but the Alabama speech was different:
    1. Gone was the seething anger, replaced by smug room-working
    2. A transparent wall is a fence. Walls are better because they utterly alienate the excluded. What you don’t want is The Other goading, spitting and screaming at you every day on national TV. You want the peaceful enjoyment of your country that a wall provides. Consider this: enterprising émigrés stage heart attacks, suicide attempts, etc, on their side of the fence. US helicopters fly over the fence like Italian Coastguard to ‘rescue’ the scammers and bring them to US hospitals for treatment because muh values, who we are, etc
    3. He went on too long about his Alabama values. Sounded like a salesman trying to snow over the perceived weaknesses of his offering.

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  140. @BenKenobi
    "did they get you to trade,
    your heroes for ghosts?
    hot ashes for trees?
    hot air for a cool breeze?
    and did you exchange;
    a walk on part in the war;
    for a lead role in a cage?"

    Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here

    The country is still not polarized enough. But this NFL thing is a great bit of accelerationism.

    My favorite part is the good-thinkers accusing the President of injecting politics into football. The absolute chutzpah.

    I remember that song.

    Remember the Matrix? Most Americans, if given the opportunity, would choose to stay plugged into the Matrix. They’re ready to trade away their patrimony for entertainment, fun, and pleasure.

    Americans want sportsball, tv, movies, music videos, and an Instagram account with lots of “likes.” Give them that and they’ll trade away everything their ancestors built and fought for.

    Unfortunately, it seems that the other Western nations (especially UK and Canada) are probably the same.

    If you want to understand the late-stage Roman Empire and what led to its collapse, I suggest paying close attention to modern day Americans and other Westerners. There are many similarities. Especially the bread& circuses and totally corrupt/incompetent/insane leaders.

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  141. @Steve Sailer
    Chris Sailer, the kicking coach, went to Notre Dame H.S. in Sherman Oaks, CA about 19 years after I did.

    The name Sailer isn't really that rare, but there are various spellings.

    A lot of Sailers are in the upper Midwest, such as the Dakotas. Not that many people from there make it into, say, Wikipedia. In contrast, it's a lot easier to become slightly well known at the Chris Sailer / Steve Sailer level if you are from Sherman Oaks.

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.

    If you want to be successful, you’ll have a lot more access to opportunities if you’re near where the action is. Location matters a lot.

    NorCal has always been a good place to be if you were an academic or technologist.
    SoCal has always been good for entertainers (actors, models, athletes, musicians).

    I wonder if, in this age of globalization and easy communication, things are changing.

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  143. TheBoom says:

    The disrespect for the country and white people among the players is an important issue because their behavior influences young people. However, I’m happy players are doing it because their kneeling brings to the surface the fact that whites continuously fund behavior that is against their interests. Many major corporations (especially the media) hate whites. SJW have taken the controls at many corporations and are not the least bit shy about their view that their white customers are the problem. The most recent example is Starbucks whose black female CEO just isn’t happy about white males. Whites need to quit funding the assault on their culture and welfare.

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  144. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Peter Akuleyev
    From the point of view of NFL owners, most of whom support Trump, his statements are a nightmare. Other than a few journalists complaining that Kaepernick had been blackballed the whole BLM movement had been slowly losing steam. The owners don't want a fight, they want the issue to just go away, and with Kaepernick gone the ring leader was out and most black players weren't interested in picking up that mantle. Instead Trump has brought the whole anthem protest issue to a raging boil, just in time to convince red neck fans that last year's decision to quit watching the NFL was correct. He also managed to put more light on the CTE controversy, something no owner wants. Maybe Trump does hate the NFL. To rally the base Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives. Good long term play? Maybe, but doesn't seem thought out.

    NFL owners aren’t conservatives. Take Pittsburgh’s Rooney family.

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    "NFL owners aren't conservative. Take Pittsburgh's Rooney family."

    Exactly. Owners who are nominal Republicans are Bush/Romney types.
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  145. Svigor says:

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don’t protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don’t care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and “social media”). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    Your observation is about as fresh as radio show #xxx from William Pierce’s archives. He made this point over and over. But obviously he was no WN so your point stands.

    THERE WILL BE NO DREAM ACT!

    That was my first response when I heard about the “grace period” for Congress to act. That did not change in the face of Trump’s “deal” with Schumer and Pelosi over dinner.

    I could care less if players don’t stand during the national anthem . A question not often ask is why is the national anthem is played before a sporting event?

    Because the fans like it you dunce.

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  146. TheBoom says:

    Black sports stars telling white fans how much whites and the US suck will start winding down when teams have to start renegotiating contracts downward due to a decrease in revenue. That will probably start happening next year when it is time for season ticket sales and new broadcasting contracts.

    Black players might not be financial geniuses but I imagine they won’t want to downsize their spendthrift ways just to virtue signal.

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  147. G Pinfold says:

    I should add that I liked what the President said on NFL. Is it possible that there could be a mass walkout? I know tickets are pricey, but what an agit-prop coup if 10,000 people turned their backs and walked out before the kickoff. The media would be unable to ignore it.
    My sense is that the Left would be all over an opportunity like this; organising, funding, astroturfing, etc, to make it happen.

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  148. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    My short thread on it.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/911719534024957952

    Looks like that didn’t come through. Trying again.

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    Let's see if it works now.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/911716418474868739
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  149. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Dave Pinsen
    Looks like that didn't come through. Trying again.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/911719534024957952

    Let’s see if it works now.

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    You find this funny? Sad.

    Maher is the definition of stale comedy. Here in particular.
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  150. 5371 says:
    @Cagey Beast
    How about getting rid of the incentives that draw people to cross that border? If you have trouble with vehicles hitting deer, rather than build a bigger and longer deer fence along the highway, get people to stop dumping buckets of corn all the way along it, day after day. It's the same thing with the goodies Mexican migrants find in the US.

    It’s crazy to think immigrants are only or principally about welfare. Unless there’s an economic slump of unprecedented length and severity, and possibly even then, there will always be plenty of incentives to come. They have to be stopped.

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  151. @Rod1963
    Spot on.

    Organized sports has poisoned the white working and middle-class in this country. That along with all the other forms of media you mentioned indicates they are entertaining themselves to death.

    Pro ball sports saps their emotional and intellectual energy, it distracts them, destroys tribal unity and basically owns them. It doesn't matter which sport. Basketball, football or soccer they all do the same thing to the masses. Why do you think 3rd world countries go out of their way to promote soccer? Not because it's good for the people, it's not. It's to refocus the people's energy onto something that is totally useless.

    It also has made it hard for many men to talk to one another about anything other than sports. Because most of these guys have no other hobby or interest other than watching a bunch of multimillionaires who despise them.

    It also has made it hard for many men to talk to one another about anything other than sports.

    That’s all we talk about at my office. Most of my friends are the same. If you try bringing up the national debt or oligarch corruption around these guys, they’ll give you a puzzled look.

    The sad thing is that sports aren’t even really much of a social glue these days. Back 25 years ago, when the home team played, guys would sit together at the bar and bond over the shared experience. These days men do a lot more watching alone. Even when they watch together, they spend a lot of time (usually when no play is happening on the field) looking at their “smart phone.” Sports are important, but so is constantly checking “social media.” Actual real life conversations aren’t so important.

    For a lot of people, being a sportsfan is about identifying yourself with the “winners,” not building camaraderie with the people around you.

    watching a bunch of multimillionaires who despise them.

    For the large majority of American men, the high point of their life is spending their weekends watching a bunch of multimillionaires play with a ball.

    Sports are a Weapon of Mass Distraction.

    I think a lot of people figure their life (job, finances, marriage, physical condition, health) sucks. The average person perceives themself to be a “loser” and they’re too fatalistic/apathetic/lethargic to do anything about it. Sports are a way to, at least for a few hours on Sunday, be apart of the “winning team” without actually having to do anything (except cheer! and wear an oversized jersey with some guy’s name on it).

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  152. @Marty T
    NFL is a dying league long term because this CTE stuff isn't going away, and to compensate they're taking out the big hits (i.e. the reason we watch). The protests and controversy only accelerate the trend. Most owners are Republican.

    More interesting is the NBA. The product and stars are more marketable than they've been in a long time, but the league has consciously chosen to be a leftist, anti Trump, intolerant organization. Its two biggest stars (LeBron and Steph) are outwardly hostile to the president in a way that seems to be unprecedented. Their fan base leans liberal anyway so they'll be fine, but they are missing an opportunity.

    Steph Curry is idolized by kids. As out front as he is with his hatred of Trump, it's time for him to pay a financial price. I can think of Under Armour, Infiniti and Chase as companies he endorses. Conservatives MUST be more ruthless with their $$ and boycotting of the enemy. It's not that difficult to buy other products and to target the most anti Trump activists (like Curry) in their bank accounts.

    Also, clearly do not watch the NBA.

    Yes #BoycottNBA #BOYCOTTNFL

    boycott all products endorsed by Lebron, Curry

    That’s the only way to serve them a shit sandwich.

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  153. @The Comedian
    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony. Would you play the national anthem before every sales pitch selling insurance? Make a shout out to the military machine and accept marketing money from the Pentagon? Sign a contract while remembering to salute the troops?

    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony.

    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation’s name.

    But back to your point, yeah, playing the national anthem at domestic sporting competitions is a somewhat bizarre practice, now I think about it. I’ve never been too big on mindless patriotism, so even though I can understand why plenty of people might find it a pleasure to have the opportunity to express pride in and love for their country in such a powerful group setting, this is one of those rare instances I think I could agree with a cult marx-like critique of a time-honored custom.

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    I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it's nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we're fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we're fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn't "support the troops." He/she hardly know where or why we're fighting the never ending "War on Terror." He/she doesn't care about the low pay, injuries (over 1 million injured in Iraq alone), opioid addiction problems (10x the rate of the general population), suicides, divorces, and various other issues that our troops are suffering through.

    He/she wants to be able to watch the game without knowing anything about our country's wars or the struggles of its troops. The National Anthem is just a meaningless gesture to give the false façade of patriotism. It's a marketing technique. Nothing more.
    , @anonymous
    This begs an interesting question though: When DID this bit about the national anthem -before-the ballgame start anyway? Where? And why? I never quite "got" what purpose was served and why a game--which is nothing more than an entertainment vehicle--deserves a flag waving introduction. Possibly this started with Teddy Roosevelt, whose emphasis on physical vigor reached cult status and seemed to become part of the overall "civic religion." Maybe not. Dunno, but frankly if they eliminated the anthem before sports events it wouldn't bother me in the least.
    , @Sunbeam

    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation’s name.
     
    If corporations are people I think they should be subject to the draft and classified 1-A.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    I think playing the National Anthem began in WWII as a gesture of national solidarity. Although it's kind of a strange practice, it does give the audience a cue that the game is about to start and to settle down-rather the function of an overture at a ballet or musical show. Like so many American traditions, it too is under attack.
    , @The True and Original David
    I wonder if the practice of playing the National Anthem before public events got started in World War I.

    Maybe it originated as a recommendation of the Committee on Public Information? Does anyone know?

    Imagine what would have happened to any player who publicly took a knee during the anthem in World War I. Twenty years in prison (look at the fate of Debs). And they call Trump a dictator. Laughable!

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  154. Marty T says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I completely agree with your analysis and also despair about the energy and attention our fellow citizens have for the shallow trivialities of corporate & commercial sports spectacles.

    However please consider why there is so much emotion and tears spilled over sportsball.

    In our diverse society which has been purging all historic, civic & cultural stories heroes from Columbus to to Shakespeare to Beethoven to Jefferson and even Watson & Crick for being hopelessly sinful and irrelevant stale palewhitemales, there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty. Is there any institution that we can all agree on... other than that disloyal corporate sponsored astroturf carrier of civic pride & unity, that itself knows zero sense of humanity or local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed... have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It's not just the "heroes" of the gridiron who've sold out... the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness... long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    My conclusion is peculiar however. Even though it was decided some generations ago to destroy our people's unity by purging our idols and myths and by dividing then into toxic tribalism, it's now apparent that those efforts have been so successful that significant numbers of fellow citizens no longer identify with our people and institutions and view themselves apart from them much as an occupied people might view an oppressive conquering power. Perversely enforcing a phony unity over this sports spectacle may do more harm than good. Perhaps it would be constructive to let America's divided tribes express their hate and rivalries for each other in a less destructive forum... with the well-paid professional gladiators being their proxies. Instead of real world violence, let a team of black power athletes stand for whatever ideals & anthem they do believe in and let them compete with dignity and honesty. Sure many Americans will boo and hiss, but these black separatists have been booing and hissing the American establishment for generations now. Might as well get it out in the open. Upside for the NFL...? Better ratings than ever. Inject a little potent identity politics into the game but keep it respectful and sportsmanlike to show that there's still humanity there. Isn't this exactly the kind of chauvinistic drama that makes the Olympics even though people don't have much clue about the athletics? Also consider the appeal of contrived drama & rivalries that makes professional wrestling evidently such compelling entertainment. Add the emotion of identity politics to sportsball and it would make it meaningful and relevant again after all.

    The New England Patriots already, symbolically represent Trumpism, with their largely white roster and personal relationships with Trump. The Seattle Seahawks are probably the closest to a “black power” roster in the NFL. The two played a great super bowl in 2015.

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    I thought superbowl this year was a better black-white example.

    https://nesn.com/2017/02/atlanta-hawks-twitter-account-got-pretty-cocky-before-patriots-super-bowl-comeback/

    https://twitter.com/ATLHawks/status/828400376684609536
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  155. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I completely agree with your analysis and also despair about the energy and attention our fellow citizens have for the shallow trivialities of corporate & commercial sports spectacles.

    However please consider why there is so much emotion and tears spilled over sportsball.

    In our diverse society which has been purging all historic, civic & cultural stories heroes from Columbus to to Shakespeare to Beethoven to Jefferson and even Watson & Crick for being hopelessly sinful and irrelevant stale palewhitemales, there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty. Is there any institution that we can all agree on... other than that disloyal corporate sponsored astroturf carrier of civic pride & unity, that itself knows zero sense of humanity or local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed... have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It's not just the "heroes" of the gridiron who've sold out... the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness... long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    My conclusion is peculiar however. Even though it was decided some generations ago to destroy our people's unity by purging our idols and myths and by dividing then into toxic tribalism, it's now apparent that those efforts have been so successful that significant numbers of fellow citizens no longer identify with our people and institutions and view themselves apart from them much as an occupied people might view an oppressive conquering power. Perversely enforcing a phony unity over this sports spectacle may do more harm than good. Perhaps it would be constructive to let America's divided tribes express their hate and rivalries for each other in a less destructive forum... with the well-paid professional gladiators being their proxies. Instead of real world violence, let a team of black power athletes stand for whatever ideals & anthem they do believe in and let them compete with dignity and honesty. Sure many Americans will boo and hiss, but these black separatists have been booing and hissing the American establishment for generations now. Might as well get it out in the open. Upside for the NFL...? Better ratings than ever. Inject a little potent identity politics into the game but keep it respectful and sportsmanlike to show that there's still humanity there. Isn't this exactly the kind of chauvinistic drama that makes the Olympics even though people don't have much clue about the athletics? Also consider the appeal of contrived drama & rivalries that makes professional wrestling evidently such compelling entertainment. Add the emotion of identity politics to sportsball and it would make it meaningful and relevant again after all.

    Good points.

    local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    The above was quote worthy. Athletes are nothing more than mercenary gladiators. Might as well root for Nike and Reebok.

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed… have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It’s not just the “heroes” of the gridiron who’ve sold out… the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness… long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    Being an American used to mean something. It meant being apart of the country that collectively suffered through the Depression, won WWII, got a man to the moon, lived through the 60s, fought and eventually won the Cold War, and experienced a lot of things together as a people. It meant common legends and heroes (Johnny Appleseed, Paul Bunyan, Wild West Cowboys).

    Now what the hell does being an American mean? Eating fast food, shopping for Black Friday deals at Best Buy, moving to a McMansion in some far off suburb, and watching NFL/NBA/MLB/NCAA-FB.

    At this point, anybody can be an American. A Chinese, Korean, Viet, Indian, Paki, Mexican, Guatemalan, Russian, Puerto Rican, Arab, Persian, Mongolian, Dominican. As long as you like the NFL and Black Friday specials, you’re as American as anybody else!

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    The above was quote worthy. Athletes are nothing more than mercenary gladiators. Might as well root for Nike and Reebok.
     
    I wonder if we will ever see that. I can envision an exhibition game/tournament of NBA stars organized by their endorsers and it seems a short road from that to what you describe. Of course the corporate financial strength would be even less balanced than the city financial strength so it would probably not work without strict rules for financial commitment (salary caps). Then there is the where would they play issue.

    Would you consider Formula 1 a good example of this?

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  156. Pericles says:
    @t
    Bruce Maxwell of the As took knee tonight the media says he black but he doesn't show it.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/622194.jpg

    1/32 Cherokee?

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  157. @silviosilver

    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony.
     
    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation's name.

    But back to your point, yeah, playing the national anthem at domestic sporting competitions is a somewhat bizarre practice, now I think about it. I've never been too big on mindless patriotism, so even though I can understand why plenty of people might find it a pleasure to have the opportunity to express pride in and love for their country in such a powerful group setting, this is one of those rare instances I think I could agree with a cult marx-like critique of a time-honored custom.

    I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it’s nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we’re fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we’re fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn’t “support the troops.” He/she hardly know where or why we’re fighting the never ending “War on Terror.” He/she doesn’t care about the low pay, injuries (over 1 million injured in Iraq alone), opioid addiction problems (10x the rate of the general population), suicides, divorces, and various other issues that our troops are suffering through.

    He/she wants to be able to watch the game without knowing anything about our country’s wars or the struggles of its troops. The National Anthem is just a meaningless gesture to give the false façade of patriotism. It’s a marketing technique. Nothing more.

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    How many Americans know which countries we’re fighting in?

     

    What, you mean today?
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    I suppose I'm an old fart, but I loved the National Anthem at games back when we, the crowd, used to all sing it together. That was a bonding experience that brought us together for a few moments at least as one people with a common purpose. The modern custom of importing some mediocre pop or country singer to warble the anthem at us, and turn us into passive spectators of our own patriotism strikes me as more profoundly insulting than Colin Kaepernick. He is misguided but at least he is trying to live his life according to a set of principles.
    , @Brian Reilly
    "...and to the Republic, for which it stands..." is no more. The Republic is gone, replaced by a welfare state-crony autocracy. This has been happening for a long, long time. The old USA as founded ended in 1861. USA Rev 2 ended somewhere around 1916 or so. We were distracted by other matters for a good long and profitable while, but the time to face facts is just about upon us. We have given over our liberty and sovereign rights to an authoritarian ruling class which still uses the democratic-republican (both small , please note) mask. It is all a lie. We are no longer governed but ruled. Will it last???

    And what comes next? Should we pledge allegiance to something not yet honestly defined??
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  158. Dr Hook says:

    Trump needs to start using a little jiu-jitsu in this tussle…
    Maybe he should rif on the notion that NFL players are acting uppity because of their huge consumption of steroids and other Peds.
    Then he should insist that every player on the books should give urine and hair samples every three days whether or not they’re actually on the field that week. Even if they have a convenient ‘shoulder’ injury.
    One of the Sailersphere big memes is that nobody in the public eye talks about such blindingly obvious truths such as all millionaire athletes are juicing.
    This could be a break through moment.
    At least it will put Kaepernick et al on the back foot.

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  159. Realist says:
    @Raekwon
    I'm more or less in agreement here. It's annoying, because when I see these tweets of his, my internal monologue goes "hell yeah!", but I know it's distracting from the fact that he seems to be cucking on DACA. The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he's going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.

    “The dude just has such a good intuitive feel for the sentiments of heritage America, he’s going to win re-election on pointless distractions like this, and never get punished for reversing on everything that got him elected.”

    In your dreams.

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  160. Realist says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    I've soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand - and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage - on something substantive. I don't care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don't actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these "field-hand torching the plantation" tactics. If they do they're more retarded than I thought.

    I'm more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he's making fools of everyone who supported him.

    He may not have enough mustard upstairs to be a hot dog. Any more of this crap and fuck him.

    “I’ve soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand – and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage – on something substantive.”

    Yes sports are inconsequential to the future of this country.
    He may not have enough mustard upstairs to be a hot dog. Any more of this crap and fuck him.

    “He may not have enough mustard upstairs to be a hot dog. Any more of this crap and fuck him.”

    He has the IQ of a corn dog.

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  161. Pericles says:

    Seems like an excellent opportunity for conservadads all over facebook to post “Didn’t watch”, “Turn off tune out go to the gym”, “Looking for new water cooler topic” or perhaps (in a few weeks) “#SkipSteph”, “#LenoughLeBron” etc.

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  162. Pericles says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it's nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we're fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we're fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn't "support the troops." He/she hardly know where or why we're fighting the never ending "War on Terror." He/she doesn't care about the low pay, injuries (over 1 million injured in Iraq alone), opioid addiction problems (10x the rate of the general population), suicides, divorces, and various other issues that our troops are suffering through.

    He/she wants to be able to watch the game without knowing anything about our country's wars or the struggles of its troops. The National Anthem is just a meaningless gesture to give the false façade of patriotism. It's a marketing technique. Nothing more.

    How many Americans know which countries we’re fighting in?

    What, you mean today?

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  163. Pericles says:
    @Marty T
    The New England Patriots already, symbolically represent Trumpism, with their largely white roster and personal relationships with Trump. The Seattle Seahawks are probably the closest to a "black power" roster in the NFL. The two played a great super bowl in 2015.

    I thought superbowl this year was a better black-white example.

    https://nesn.com/2017/02/atlanta-hawks-twitter-account-got-pretty-cocky-before-patriots-super-bowl-comeback/

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  164. Ed says:
    @Rod1963
    Spot on.

    Organized sports has poisoned the white working and middle-class in this country. That along with all the other forms of media you mentioned indicates they are entertaining themselves to death.

    Pro ball sports saps their emotional and intellectual energy, it distracts them, destroys tribal unity and basically owns them. It doesn't matter which sport. Basketball, football or soccer they all do the same thing to the masses. Why do you think 3rd world countries go out of their way to promote soccer? Not because it's good for the people, it's not. It's to refocus the people's energy onto something that is totally useless.

    It also has made it hard for many men to talk to one another about anything other than sports. Because most of these guys have no other hobby or interest other than watching a bunch of multimillionaires who despise them.

    Maybe it’s just my dept & office but I’ve actually noticed the opposite. A declining interest in the NFL. There are five men in our department and 2 are immigrants. They have no interest in football. Of us 3 Americans, I’m the only one that watches the NFL regularly. The other two talk hockey, soccer and MLB.

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    Work in a mid-sized NY office. About 50 employees. The only ones who talk/watch NFL in the lunchroom are black/Hispanic men in the mailroom.

    Baseball still seems to have more white appeal.
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  165. Ed says:
    @Marty T
    NFL is a dying league long term because this CTE stuff isn't going away, and to compensate they're taking out the big hits (i.e. the reason we watch). The protests and controversy only accelerate the trend. Most owners are Republican.

    More interesting is the NBA. The product and stars are more marketable than they've been in a long time, but the league has consciously chosen to be a leftist, anti Trump, intolerant organization. Its two biggest stars (LeBron and Steph) are outwardly hostile to the president in a way that seems to be unprecedented. Their fan base leans liberal anyway so they'll be fine, but they are missing an opportunity.

    Steph Curry is idolized by kids. As out front as he is with his hatred of Trump, it's time for him to pay a financial price. I can think of Under Armour, Infiniti and Chase as companies he endorses. Conservatives MUST be more ruthless with their $$ and boycotting of the enemy. It's not that difficult to buy other products and to target the most anti Trump activists (like Curry) in their bank accounts.

    Also, clearly do not watch the NBA.

    The NBA is an interesting organization. I’ve always thought it’d be the first sports league to collapse. I figured at some point whites would tire of seeing blacks go up and down the court. I’ve been proven wrong. The NBA is pretty big with white liberal males. A number of liberal journalists such as Hayes & Yglesias love it and have deep knowledge of the sport.

    Although nearly half the fan base is black their commitment to watching the games keeps ratings afloat. The issue is as the former Hawks owner pointed out is that they don’t buy merchandise when attending games. Still with the decline of TV viewing in general live sports that can draw consistent ratings are a gold mine.

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    The love affair of white liberal males for the NBA goes back to the 1969-70 New York Knicks, who ironically had some white (Bradley, Debusschere) stars. A fantasy of some white liberal writers is their best friend is a black NBA player who they shoot baskets with.
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  166. @JohnnyWalker123
    I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it's nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we're fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we're fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn't "support the troops." He/she hardly know where or why we're fighting the never ending "War on Terror." He/she doesn't care about the low pay, injuries (over 1 million injured in Iraq alone), opioid addiction problems (10x the rate of the general population), suicides, divorces, and various other issues that our troops are suffering through.

    He/she wants to be able to watch the game without knowing anything about our country's wars or the struggles of its troops. The National Anthem is just a meaningless gesture to give the false façade of patriotism. It's a marketing technique. Nothing more.

    I suppose I’m an old fart, but I loved the National Anthem at games back when we, the crowd, used to all sing it together. That was a bonding experience that brought us together for a few moments at least as one people with a common purpose. The modern custom of importing some mediocre pop or country singer to warble the anthem at us, and turn us into passive spectators of our own patriotism strikes me as more profoundly insulting than Colin Kaepernick. He is misguided but at least he is trying to live his life according to a set of principles.

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  167. The NFL is trying to have it all ways. They make a great exhibition on how patriotic they are, while letting their media push the left-wing stuff (Mr.Kapernick is a patsy of his girlfriend and the chatterati who keep him in the headlines.)

    Normally I would think, “fine, whatever, who cares?” as this falls way down the list of fires to put out, but I also remember a league who came down hard on anyone expressing opposition to gay marriage. Who has been shoving feminism-lite through stalking horses like “breast cancer awareness” down everyone’s throats by dressing their players in pink. Who prevented the Dallas Cowboys from commemorating the fallen police officers with a decal on their uniforms….the list goes on, but there have been issue after issue where the league has endorsed or pressured their players, officials, and media to have a singular stance before– so why not on the stupid kneeling?

    At some point it has to be said that it is the policy of the NFL. And Trump is callin’ them out. Is it official policy or not? That the NFL allows it, but not other things, is a tacit admission that it is supportable by the league. As with the feminism for the potential female audience, it is an obvious attempt to pander to black Americans in an effort to grow ratings and sell more t-shirts. Something tells me most black Americans don’t care for it either; or didn’t until the media hammered home the point that if you identify as black, like Mr.Kapnerick, you have to be in favor of it.

    And there is zero reason why the NFL should be this complacent that their core audience will stick by them as they cater to every whim of other potential-growth market groups.

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    The NFL is a business. From the point of view of a business they had been handling the black football players pretty well. The last thing the league and owners want is an open confrontation that will either drive away conservative fans or destroy the succesful inroads the NFL has made among female fans and hip millenials. The NFL wants to be all things to all people, not the NBA appealing to blacks and white liberals, and not NASCAR. The league's approach - let the players do their thing, but quietly send a message by blackballing the most prominent leader of the movement - was working fine. The black players were getting the message that their careers were in jeopardy, but the league still had plausible deniability in front of the liberal press. Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess. To the extent Trump benefits from increasing the divisiveness and anger in the US, it might be a winning strategy for him personally, but he continues to reinforce the message that he is unreliable and will stab anyone in the back, including loyal Trump supporters like Kraft, Jones, Kroenke and soon-to-be owner Sheldon Adelson.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

    , @Marty T
    I can even respect the NBA and its outright hatred of conservatism over the NFL and its attempt to be all things to all people.
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  168. @Maj. Kong
    Pat Tillman was left-wing. Before he was killed, he was setting up a meeting with Noam Chomsky to lead protests against the war when he left active duty.

    Yes, I know that. Tillman worked out of the same firebase I did when he was killed. It is the only time I can remember someone rolling me out of my cot in a literal fashion outside of Benning.

    I took a more than passing interest in Tillman for that reason. Also, what you mentioned hasn’t stopped Pat’s Run from being the AMERICA’S HERO show every year.

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  169. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @blah blah blah blah
    Steve, since you've written about college football before: there's an angle to all this CTE stuff that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. I think that as concern over football health issues spreads the middle class won't want its kids play football. What happens to college football when that happens? How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes? It's already tough enough to field a team of players who can fit in sufficiently well with the rest of the university and also be competitive.

    I agree. My son is 12. I think his will be the last generation to play football. Lawsuits and more information regarding CTE will cause insurers to drop or make coverage too costly for HS leagues and below.

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  170. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I forgot to add, the issue is especially acute for white Americans, for whom there is practically no legitimate outlet for that instinctual tribal collective social energy. It reminds me how a few years ago in Germany one would see lots of Ferrari Formula One flags in front of people's homes because of their pride about native son champion Michael Schumacher because any other expression of collective or patriotic pride was viewed as unseemly nationalism.

    NASCAR is somewhat a gathering of the clans for the Scots-Irish.

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  171. @Ed
    Trump shouldn't be calling them "son of bitches". He's right in the main though. The Dems would be wise not to get too close to this one though.

    Because that is not a strong enough insult for someone who would deliberately disrespect the flag and anthem of our country?

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  172. AndrewR says:
    @Whitney
    I was amused. But I'm not a sports fan and I don't have cable. I do hope people start cutting their cable off. low attendance and ratings have impact but there is a ton of money in the cable subscription. It doesn't matter whether you watch or not they're still getting their cut like every other channel on your "bundle"

    I think as more people start to cancel cable, internet rates will go up. Also, I would imagine a lot of the cable networks to collude with Netflix/Hulu/etc in order to keep up their share of shekels. Ten years from now, people will probably still be paying approximately the same amount if not more for their digital entertainment as they do now.

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  173. midtown says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

    Well put.

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  174. Trump did his schtick about the NFL as part of a rally for his Strange choice, the WRONG Republican candidate in Alabama.

    His guy is the choice of the party and is less Trumpist than the other one, who is ahead in the polls.

    May the Moore Trumpist candidate win.

    Who cares about the NFL? It’s a bunch of giant black guys slamming into each other.

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  175. AndrewR says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    By speaking out on issues that can raise his popularity and demonstrating how unhinged the leftist really are he makes it possible to take a hard stand against their sacred cows, like DACA.

    They. Must. Go. Back! And the God Emperor Trump is the person who can do it!

    He might be someone who could do it, but he is someone who won’t do it.

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  176. @blah blah blah blah
    Steve, since you've written about college football before: there's an angle to all this CTE stuff that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. I think that as concern over football health issues spreads the middle class won't want its kids play football. What happens to college football when that happens? How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes? It's already tough enough to field a team of players who can fit in sufficiently well with the rest of the university and also be competitive.

    They’ve been using football players who don’t belong on a college campus for decades.

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    They’ve been using football players who don’t belong on a college campus in prison (or Africa) for decades.

     

    Sorry David, I just had to fix that for you!
    , @Hibernian
    My high school trigonometry teacher told us a story about fellow U of Iowa alum Alex Karras (a doctor's son.) He spent five minutes staring at a Chemistry exam and then went up front, slammed it on the prof's desk and left. (In my expeience, generally, if somebody finishes an exam more than a few minutes early, they either aced it or flunked it; no prizes for guessing the outcome if the exit is after 5 minutes.)
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  177. AndrewR says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I forgot to add, the issue is especially acute for white Americans, for whom there is practically no legitimate outlet for that instinctual tribal collective social energy. It reminds me how a few years ago in Germany one would see lots of Ferrari Formula One flags in front of people's homes because of their pride about native son champion Michael Schumacher because any other expression of collective or patriotic pride was viewed as unseemly nationalism.

    Apparently the stigma against flag-waving German nationalism has decreased in recent years, but I remember having culture shock when I talked to a German girl about 13 years ago who told me that conspicuous display of the German flag was generally frowned upon in Germany. The postwar German anti-German guilt complex is a strong beast indeed.

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    Not sure I'd call it "guilt," which is not exactly a Teutonic specialty. "Guilt" is more the specialty of Micks and yids IMO.

    I'd say that what the Germans have felt is more like fear, but they've been content to endure winter this past century as the guiltmasters assay to re/define them.

    And fear is a strong bitch indeed when installed with trench warfare, firebombing, mass rape, and half a century of lies about history and genetics proliferated, repeated, megaphoned in every medium, every school, and every corner of mass culture. With super-traumatic snuff porn horror to mess with the minds of the kind and altruistic and render them tender for suspension of disbelief. (When that fails: litigation.)

    Remember, Barbara Tuchman wrote the "definitive" history of WWI...and was of the Morgenthau family.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/barbara-wertheim-tuchman

    IIRC she opined that the whole thing was just a lamentable but unintended mess based on a silly bunch of misunderstandings and telegrams that didn't arrive on time and such.

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  178. @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    Unsurprisingly Trump himself made pro-Paterno statements to pump up the crowd at some of his Pennsylvania rallies last year. Maybe that helped him win Pennsylvania!

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  179. anonguy says:
    @cthulhu
    I think the "fire them!" rhetoric was rather over-the-top; I think Trump is more effective in these kind of scenarios when he's more ridiculing than confronting. But the NFL is going to lose either way - seeming to be on the side of anti-patriotism looks bad with the core football fan, and any suggestion that the participating players are misguided will cause more bad player behavior. The average fan doesn't distinguish between the league as a business entity and the actions of the players.

    FWIW, I gave up being much of a football fan 15+ years ago; I still watch it occasionally, but wouldn't be unhappy if the NFL went out of business tomorrow. That after growing up in a rabid football household and going to a school that had perennial NCAA championship contenders.

    I think Trump is more effective in these kind of scenarios when he’s more ridiculing than confronting.

    He’s great a labeling people, Crooked Hillary, Lyin’ Ted, etc. Rocket Man was brilliant.

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    Spineless Roger Goodell?
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  180. @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Yes Free Speech for thee but not for me.

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  181. @Shammo
    Nope. I'm a free speech absolutist, and do not like the idea of firing people for their political opinions. But one must play under the rules of the game as they exist, not by the rules one would like it to be played by. When leftists stop hounding people out of their jobs because of their private political views, then the right should stop, too.

    Conventions between adversaries -- e.g. laws of war, and agreements about what is "off-limits" in politics -- are only appropriate insofar as both sides abide by them. When the other guy takes the gloves off, leaving yours on isn't principled, it's surrender.

    And jut when, pray tell, are leftists going to “stop hounding people out of their jobs because of their private political views?”

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  182. @SteveRogers42
    Back when we had a healthy society...

    https://i.imgur.com/bzye7gT.jpg

    Vince Lombardi was a Kennedy Democrat of sorts. He endorsed JFK in 1960 and RFK when he ran in 1968. On the other hand, per biographer David Maraniss, Lombardi was disturbed by the left-wing “protesters” of the late 60′s and was making very conservative sounding speeches the last year of his life.

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  183. @Anonymous
    So imagine if POTUS Obama or POTUS Hillary sent this tweet out today ... how would you feel?




    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    44m
    Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-iran/clinton-says-u-s-could-totally-obliterate-iran-idUSN2224332720080422

    “I want the Iranians to know that if I‘m the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel),” Clinton said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

    “In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,” she said.

    “That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic,” Clinton said.

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  184. @fnn

    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries...
     
    Since nobody on the thread brought this up:
    http://www.spin.ph/football/news/aaron-fernandez-diagnosed-with-severe-cte-as-nfl-patriots-face-lawsuit-from-former-stars-family

    BOSTON — Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez had a severe case of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, his lawyer said on Thursday in announcing a lawsuit against the NFL and the team for hiding the true dangers of the sport.

    Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, said Hernandez had Stage 3 (out of 4) of the disease, which can cause violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive disorders.

    "We're told it was the most severe case they had ever seen for someone of Aaron's age," attorney Jose Baez said.
     
    Yeah, but it can only be diagnosed by autopsy, and he died at age 27.That's pretty young even for an NFL player.

    “That’s pretty young even for an NFL player.”

    Well, when you hang yourself in a prison cell while doing Life, it doesn’t matter how young you are.

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    And 27 is still young no matter the cause of death.
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  185. HI says:

    Negro Fight League matches the initials. Negro Collision League matches the content. I can’t think of a synonym for collision that starts with F.

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    May I suggest purchasing a dictionary?
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  186. @candid_observer
    What is the NFL thinking, I wonder.

    They've been featuring absurdly extravagant displays of the flag and patriotism, and now they choose to double down on their support for the kneeling players?

    They have no clue. And soon they will have little audience.

    “They’ve been featuring absurdly extravagant displays of the flag and patriotism, and now they choose to double down on their support for the kneeling players?”

    The NFL has wrapped itself in the flag for decades. They’ve had many “pro-veteran” displays.

    Another funny thing is the Left around 1970 started attacking the NFL as representing “racist, militarism in American society.”

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  187. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I'm not surprised that the losers here who thought we were going to lose and want to complain how we might lose are in favor of more losing.

    The “woe is me” crowd does seem to be out in full force.

    The president hasn’t done everything I might have hoped, but an awful lot of his purported sell-outs have seemed a great deal of sound and fury . . . signifying nothing. We’re going to hit Syria for the gas attack . . . sort of, a little, once.

    And I bear this in mind: if he’s such a sell out to the Deep State, how come the Deep State still hates him so much?

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  188. anonguy says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    From the point of view of NFL owners, most of whom support Trump, his statements are a nightmare. Other than a few journalists complaining that Kaepernick had been blackballed the whole BLM movement had been slowly losing steam. The owners don't want a fight, they want the issue to just go away, and with Kaepernick gone the ring leader was out and most black players weren't interested in picking up that mantle. Instead Trump has brought the whole anthem protest issue to a raging boil, just in time to convince red neck fans that last year's decision to quit watching the NFL was correct. He also managed to put more light on the CTE controversy, something no owner wants. Maybe Trump does hate the NFL. To rally the base Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives. Good long term play? Maybe, but doesn't seem thought out.

    The CTE thing is unbelievable:

    “On July 25, 2017, the Journal of the American Medical Association released an updated study reporting that out of 111 brains of deceased former NFL players studied, 110 (99%) had CTE.[63] This also led to players retiring very early in their career..”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

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  189. @justwonderingaboutbaseball
    The NFL is trying to have it all ways. They make a great exhibition on how patriotic they are, while letting their media push the left-wing stuff (Mr.Kapernick is a patsy of his girlfriend and the chatterati who keep him in the headlines.)

    Normally I would think, "fine, whatever, who cares?" as this falls way down the list of fires to put out, but I also remember a league who came down hard on anyone expressing opposition to gay marriage. Who has been shoving feminism-lite through stalking horses like "breast cancer awareness" down everyone's throats by dressing their players in pink. Who prevented the Dallas Cowboys from commemorating the fallen police officers with a decal on their uniforms....the list goes on, but there have been issue after issue where the league has endorsed or pressured their players, officials, and media to have a singular stance before-- so why not on the stupid kneeling?

    At some point it has to be said that it is the policy of the NFL. And Trump is callin' them out. Is it official policy or not? That the NFL allows it, but not other things, is a tacit admission that it is supportable by the league. As with the feminism for the potential female audience, it is an obvious attempt to pander to black Americans in an effort to grow ratings and sell more t-shirts. Something tells me most black Americans don't care for it either; or didn't until the media hammered home the point that if you identify as black, like Mr.Kapnerick, you have to be in favor of it.

    And there is zero reason why the NFL should be this complacent that their core audience will stick by them as they cater to every whim of other potential-growth market groups.

    The NFL is a business. From the point of view of a business they had been handling the black football players pretty well. The last thing the league and owners want is an open confrontation that will either drive away conservative fans or destroy the succesful inroads the NFL has made among female fans and hip millenials. The NFL wants to be all things to all people, not the NBA appealing to blacks and white liberals, and not NASCAR. The league’s approach – let the players do their thing, but quietly send a message by blackballing the most prominent leader of the movement – was working fine. The black players were getting the message that their careers were in jeopardy, but the league still had plausible deniability in front of the liberal press. Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess. To the extent Trump benefits from increasing the divisiveness and anger in the US, it might be a winning strategy for him personally, but he continues to reinforce the message that he is unreliable and will stab anyone in the back, including loyal Trump supporters like Kraft, Jones, Kroenke and soon-to-be owner Sheldon Adelson.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

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    Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess.

    It's funny how people who have not been dealing with the LyingMSM for a long time and who have not run for President think they can out think someone who has.
    , @candid_observer
    God only knows how many billions of dollars in value NFL teams will lose in the fracas to come.

    It's going to be ugly.

    I see that Robert Kraft has expressed his disappointment in Trump's remarks. I'll bet he's disappointed. How much will Kraft lose in all this? A huge bundle. The NFL's fate is his fate.

    Of course the media will play this for all it's worth -- merely prolonging the agony and damage of the controversy to the NFL, Kraft included. Neither the media nor Kraft comprehend that most Americans are just offended if not disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of the players. Supporting that behavior just can't work out in the end. People vote with their feet.

    Part of the problem too is that the NFL is now being eaten away at two sides. Right wing fans will turn away because of the kneeling. Bleeding heart fans will turn away because of CTE. Who will be left?

    , @Stan d Mute

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.
     
    That’s a mighty big “IF” there boss.

    Simple fact is, the average Joe Sixpack feetsball fan knows what would happen if he marched into work tomorrow and began spouting off to customers about Evil America when he should instead be doing his job. The NFL players’ job is to play feetsball and make Joe Sixpack forget his troubles for a few hours. When they’re suited up and in their absurdly compensated role at the workplace, if they’re broadcasting their anti-white / anti-American street cred bullshit, they’re NOT doing the job they’re so overly compensated to do.

    Even dimwit Joe Sixpack can clearly see and understand this. It’s one thing if these afrocentrists go on ESPN with their nonsense, Joe can just watch the highlight reels and switch off. But when it’s game day, he can’t un-see the crap.

    RIGHT NOW is the optimum time for massive propaganda efforts from clear eyed (those who can see or Notice) folks on the rampant rape and other crime associated with African feetsball players.
    , @James Kabala
    If Trump's goal was to destroy the NFL, he seems (based on events so far this weekend, in which the formerly small-and-contained protests have spread considerably) to have taken a big step in that direction. But while that may be a goal of some posters in this thread, it is unlikely to be Trump's goal - just a byproduct of his desire to throw out red meat at a rally.
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  190. @AM

    As JohnnyWalker said, Sportsball is the opiate of the masses. If Trump can manage to wake the plebs that’ll be a hell of a coup.
     
    Involving the NFL is taking this to the front lines of the Anglo-Saxon male.

    Which way are those front lines facing?

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  191. @anonymous
    NFL owners aren't conservatives. Take Pittsburgh's Rooney family.

    “NFL owners aren’t conservative. Take Pittsburgh’s Rooney family.”

    Exactly. Owners who are nominal Republicans are Bush/Romney types.

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    Maybe they support his full agenda, or maybe they just automatically support and donate to the Republican candidate out of habit, but there are have been several public Trump supporters among the owners. One (Woody Johnson) is now the ambassador to Britain!
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  192. OK, now I am a true believer. Trump is finished and Zuckerberg will be a better president!

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  193. @Ed
    The NBA is an interesting organization. I've always thought it'd be the first sports league to collapse. I figured at some point whites would tire of seeing blacks go up and down the court. I've been proven wrong. The NBA is pretty big with white liberal males. A number of liberal journalists such as Hayes & Yglesias love it and have deep knowledge of the sport.

    Although nearly half the fan base is black their commitment to watching the games keeps ratings afloat. The issue is as the former Hawks owner pointed out is that they don't buy merchandise when attending games. Still with the decline of TV viewing in general live sports that can draw consistent ratings are a gold mine.

    The love affair of white liberal males for the NBA goes back to the 1969-70 New York Knicks, who ironically had some white (Bradley, Debusschere) stars. A fantasy of some white liberal writers is their best friend is a black NBA player who they shoot baskets with.

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    Lol this rings true. Finally they'll have a cool black friend and they might even be from the hood!
    , @Bubba
    Those naive, pasty-face, whitey writers should look at what Kermit Washington did to Rudy Tomjonovich. And BTW, thugs like Kermit Washington never change. http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/25/kermit-washington-faces-45-years-in-prison-for-screwing-needy-africans/
    , @ScarletNumber

    The love affair of white liberal males for the NBA goes back to the 1969-70 New York Knicks, who ironically had some white (Bradley, Debusschere) stars.
     
    The championship team three years later also had Phil Jackson and Jerry Lucas.

    A fantasy of some white liberal writers is their best friend is a black NBA player who they shoot baskets with.
     
    Oh, you read Bill Simmons, too?
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  194. Chase says:
    @Greasy William
    I'm so sick of Mickey Kaus and Coulter. They've been calling Trump a sellout since his first day.

    THERE WILL BE NO DREAM ACT! The Democrats will never agree to any meaningful border security and Trump politically can't afford to sign even the most modest type of amnesty without getting money for his wall. Furthermore, no amnesty could ever make it through the House.

    Do you know how the Left has moved the Overton Window? By their extremists never giving an inch, always pushing.

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  195. I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it’s nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we’re fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we’re fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn’t “support the troops.

    Yeah, but there is no particular reason to associate the national anthem with supporting troops, that is the problem. I personally have no desire to see US troops in harm’s way, but I think the best way to support them is to keep them out of unnecessary foreign wars.

    Playing the national anthem, Olympic anthem, state anthem, club anthem or whatever before a sports event is just a useful device to focus minds on the fact that the moment has come for “mortal combat” to begin, and it probably does help to build excitement, and the copyright for the music is in the public domain, but it is not really necessary. A football game is not a governmental event or ceremony or a state funeral, it is just a game, lest we forget.

    If players want to kneel at the national anthem, that is still a show of respect. It is not as if they are jogging, throwing practice balls, or chewing gum.

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  196. @SteveRogers42
    Except that the NFL is a huge cultural focal point that itself has come to serve as a distraction from substantive issues in the minds of Middle American voters. If landing a few punches on the bread-and-circus machine awakens a few more Deplorables, it will have as big an effect on the Overton Window as Trump's verbal shots at the MSM.

    Exactly. There are no distractions in the culture war.

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  197. jim jones says:

    There is a site which tracks arrests of NFL players:

    http://nflarrest.com/

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  198. @Peter Akuleyev
    The NFL is a business. From the point of view of a business they had been handling the black football players pretty well. The last thing the league and owners want is an open confrontation that will either drive away conservative fans or destroy the succesful inroads the NFL has made among female fans and hip millenials. The NFL wants to be all things to all people, not the NBA appealing to blacks and white liberals, and not NASCAR. The league's approach - let the players do their thing, but quietly send a message by blackballing the most prominent leader of the movement - was working fine. The black players were getting the message that their careers were in jeopardy, but the league still had plausible deniability in front of the liberal press. Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess. To the extent Trump benefits from increasing the divisiveness and anger in the US, it might be a winning strategy for him personally, but he continues to reinforce the message that he is unreliable and will stab anyone in the back, including loyal Trump supporters like Kraft, Jones, Kroenke and soon-to-be owner Sheldon Adelson.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

    Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess.

    It’s funny how people who have not been dealing with the LyingMSM for a long time and who have not run for President think they can out think someone who has.

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    This is my view of the majority of the iSteve comments section as well.
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  199. Perhaps Trump was only kicking a dog when it was down:

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  200. WJ says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Pat Tillman was left-wing. Before he was killed, he was setting up a meeting with Noam Chomsky to lead protests against the war when he left active duty.

    Pat Tillman saw the Iraq war first hand and turned against it. If being opposed to that absurd war is left wing then a lot of us are lefties, such a Pat Buchanan.

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  201. Clyde says:
    @Maj. Kong
    The average Boomer conservative is getting a wake up call about what their athletic "heroes" think about them. In a contest between Donald Trump and Colin Kapernick, even a neocon will chose Trump.

    Professional sports has a serious financial viability problem. It depends upon taxpayer funding of stadiums, and the mandatory purchase of cable bundles rather than a la carte. Cord cutting is an easy thing to do, and I doubt most will miss channels they don't watch.

    And it is awkward for the left to be defending the NFL here, as many are angry that Kapernick has been blackballed.

    Anyone who says "free speech" needs the hounds send after them, considering what the Silicon Dons have been doing to the alt-right.

    Truth! From you and thanks. And I am in a situation where I can discriminate (in a nanosecond) between truth and crap aka BS

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  202. If the owners would only get off the dole and the players would get off drugs….maybe then one could listen to what they had to say….

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  203. SF says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember Coach Joe Paterno? He didn't remove Sandusky even after he found out about Sandusky's child abuse. Then when the story went public, Coach Paterno was fired by the football program.

    The college students went on a major riot to protest the firing of Coach Paterno.

    The students didn't riot over the kids being abused. The students didn't riot over joblessness, 30 years of falling wages, deindustrialization, outsourcing, immigration, the Iraq War (where are the WMDS?), the opioid epidemic, or the Wall Street bailouts.

    The students rioted because a football coach got fired. A football coach who protected a notorious child abuser.

    Notice the entire crowd is white.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTwk-2fKT7o

    White nationalists claim that whites are meek, cowed, and submissive. WNs claim that whites are also extremely guilty minded and noble. This is why whites don't protest their dispossession.

    I have another theory. Most Americans (especially whites) don't care about their racial and economic dispossession because they spend their free time obsessed with sportsball (also other entertainment like movies, sitcoms, music videos, and "social media"). Most of their energy and emotion gets channeled into Penn State vs LSU.

    That crowd of rioters isn't meek. They're not noble or high minded. They're dunces who have the immature minds of children, but the decision-making powers of adults. I think that crowd is, to some extent, representative of the American masses. They get rowdy over sportsball and entertainment, but roll over on "boring" topics (such as the future of their country).

    Not surprisingly, our media is focused on triviality (Trump vs Kaepernick, men using female potties, Kim Kardashian's wardrobe) and our politicians know they can get away with the most egregious forms of corruption (lying about WMDs, taking $150 million in "speaking fees," etc).

    I'm not sure how much the above applies to the other Western countries, but I'd bet they're not much different. Even if they were different, their ruling classes and media take their orders from the American Globalist Empire.

    Joe Paterno showed some class. He told the students that their grades were more important than his getting fired and they should go home and study for finals.

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  204. Big Bill says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Way wait. The Dakotas are now part of the Upper Midwest? Seriously?
    Always thought the Upper Midwest was MI, WI, MN, IL, IN, part of OH. Deluth, MN is kind of the end point for the Upper Midwest, after that it's the largely sparse populated swath of basically not much going on of any relevance til one hits the coast at Seattle.

    If anything, would tend to think the Dakotas comprise the High Plains region, 'cause they're fairly close to the Rockies.

    Oddly enough, folks out west have a different definition of “midwest”.

    Decades ago, I saw car dealer ads in Denver papers that offered “The Best Deals in the Midwest”.

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  205. chucho says:

    Good for Trump.

    As for how the protests will affect the league, I don’t think it will hurt as much as we’d all like it to. Too many NFL fans have deep black sympathies from a lifetime of left-wing culture consumption. There’s also many hardcore gamblers that bet on the games every week and wouldn’t care if the players urinated on the flag–they need the action. The Deplorables would tune out but are too hardwired to keep to their autumn equinox routine of weekly Bud Lite-Papa John’s-Red Zone Channel feasts.

    In any event, everyone should cancel their cable and stop watching these games if they haven’t already done so. Don’t think for a second your own personal choice doesn’t matter.

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  206. @Maj. Kong

    DO NOT FORGET: Every major professional sports league has a security division. This acts as the league's private police force. It's known that at least for the NFL, MLB and NBA, their security divisions are staffed with ex-members of the FBI, CIA, DEA, and Homeland Security.  There is at least one member of these security divisions assigned to each team/city within the league above and beyond the staff located at league headquarters. They exist to sniff out trouble within their sport prior to it making headlines (or if worse comes to worse, down play any of their athletes indiscretions). They are not in the business of revealing criminal activity, but rather exist to cover it up.
     
    http://www.thefixisin.net/rapsheet.html

    Yep. I Know a guy who retired from the FBI who went to work for the NFL. I asked him how the Super Bowl was; he said he didn’t see the game because he, along with many others, was watching the sidelines to make sure only authorized people were there. Then the week after the game, his group started vetting possible draft choices. The NFL is trying to minimize its knuckle head count, but a lot of those available are knuckle heads, or will be at some point.

    The NFL is kinda screwed. 70% of the players are black and ratings, which are already down 10+% from last year, will go straight into the toilet if this BLM wackiness spreads.

    If I were an owner, I would have meeting with all the players and staff and point out to the black players that what they are doing is not very meaningful – why not go volunteer at Big Brothers instead. I would also point out that the NFL is in the entertainment business. If TV ratings go down, I get less money from the TV contract which means I have less money to pay you.

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    The NFL is kinda screwed. 70% of the players are black and ratings, which are already down 10+% from last year, will go straight into the toilet if this BLM wackiness spreads.
     
    LOL, Oh yeah, BLM, that's it!

    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-masters-had-its-lowest-tv-rating-in-13-years-why

    http://awfulannouncing.com/nhl/2016-17-nhl-ratings-dropped-u-s-rose-canada.html
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  207. @AM

    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.
     

    If you can't understand that things that are worthwhile take him, life is gonna suck. Also, not seeking out any knowledge makes difficult to understand what he has already accomplished and what he might accomplish if he throws the Dems the DACA bone.

    I dumped Breitbart a while ago. Between their click bait headlines and Ann Coulter's panic attacks, I'm tired of seeing nominal adults thinking in Twitter based time cycles and strategies, in a world where Rome is still not built in a day.

    You’re kidding yourself.

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    You’re kidding yourself.
     
    Nope, but I am sure the self gratification that comes with the virtual ingestion of your beloved black pill does give you great comfort.

    Indulge yourself with your dark dreams of dystopia-R-now (tm), but don't drag the rest of us down with your unwarranted musings.
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  208. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @silviosilver

    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony.
     
    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation's name.

    But back to your point, yeah, playing the national anthem at domestic sporting competitions is a somewhat bizarre practice, now I think about it. I've never been too big on mindless patriotism, so even though I can understand why plenty of people might find it a pleasure to have the opportunity to express pride in and love for their country in such a powerful group setting, this is one of those rare instances I think I could agree with a cult marx-like critique of a time-honored custom.

    This begs an interesting question though: When DID this bit about the national anthem -before-the ballgame start anyway? Where? And why? I never quite “got” what purpose was served and why a game–which is nothing more than an entertainment vehicle–deserves a flag waving introduction. Possibly this started with Teddy Roosevelt, whose emphasis on physical vigor reached cult status and seemed to become part of the overall “civic religion.” Maybe not. Dunno, but frankly if they eliminated the anthem before sports events it wouldn’t bother me in the least.

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  209. l19584 says:

    I wonder very much how some people would react if the protests were anti-Israel instead of anti-American.

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  210. @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Not at all, Brendan Eich, James Damore, Tim Hunt, James Watson, Jason Richwine all lost their jobs because of leftist pressure. They refuse to abide free speech protections when it conflicts with their viewpoints, why should we play nice in return?

    Damore was defending his employers record against a lawsuit, Eich got fired for donating 1K dollars to a group opposing gay marriage, an initiative that won six years earlier, with 70 percent of black voters voting for it. Richwine was fired from a conservative think tank after a social media campaign againt him and his dissertation, research that even socialist Christopher Jencks didnt object to on scholarship grounds.

    Watson was censured by the research organization he helped build and forced to sell his Nobel Prize medal to raise money and Hunt was forced to resign and has moved to Japan for 5 years. I think all if these guys had far nuanced arguments than the likes of Colin Kaepernick, but the PC thought police didnt care.

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  211. FozzieT says:
    @Anonymous
    I'm hearing twitter chatter that there are several hundred players planning on kneeling or some other form of protest.

    Should be an interesting day tomorrow.

    There’s some great golf action this weekend (TOUR Championship/FedEx Cup) and next (President’s Cup USA vs. Non-European world’s best).

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  212. @Whitney
    I was amused. But I'm not a sports fan and I don't have cable. I do hope people start cutting their cable off. low attendance and ratings have impact but there is a ton of money in the cable subscription. It doesn't matter whether you watch or not they're still getting their cut like every other channel on your "bundle"

    I was amused. But I’m not a sports fan and I don’t have cable. I do hope people start cutting their cable off. low attendance and ratings have impact but there is a ton of money in the cable subscription. It doesn’t matter whether you watch or not they’re still getting their cut like every other channel on your “bundle”

    This is a GREAT point. Back in the 90’s when I still thought of myself as a purely meritocratic libertarian, I cut the cord and switched to C-Band satellite precisely because I refused to support all the garbage propaganda and criminal African “sports heroes.” I cancelled my subscription to Reason magazine when its editor (publisher?) wrote a piece about why “bundling” of programming was “good” (his argument was that it allowed channels without economic viability, but which he personally liked, to stay afloat – a very socialist position).

    Now that every channel is online, and one no longer has a several thousand dollar upfront expense associated with a la carte programming, its become both economical and easy to be an a la carte media consumer. If you hate everything on TV except Game of Thrones for example, subscribe to HBO (and only HBO) for that program’s new season and then drop it until next season. And best of all, the money that remains in your pocket is money immediately denied to those whose religious/political fanaticism would see you destroyed.

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  213. We need to picket NFL stadiums to protest racial inequality in the NFL. Clearly they do not reflect America’s demographics, and everyone knows that racial quotas are GOOD!

    The NFL must employ a ‘Rooney rule’ to encourage hiring more non-black players.

    Let’s thank the ‘kneelers’ for opening our eyes to the racial bigotry awash in the NFL — “no justice, no peace”.

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  214. @Peter Akuleyev
    The NFL is a business. From the point of view of a business they had been handling the black football players pretty well. The last thing the league and owners want is an open confrontation that will either drive away conservative fans or destroy the succesful inroads the NFL has made among female fans and hip millenials. The NFL wants to be all things to all people, not the NBA appealing to blacks and white liberals, and not NASCAR. The league's approach - let the players do their thing, but quietly send a message by blackballing the most prominent leader of the movement - was working fine. The black players were getting the message that their careers were in jeopardy, but the league still had plausible deniability in front of the liberal press. Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess. To the extent Trump benefits from increasing the divisiveness and anger in the US, it might be a winning strategy for him personally, but he continues to reinforce the message that he is unreliable and will stab anyone in the back, including loyal Trump supporters like Kraft, Jones, Kroenke and soon-to-be owner Sheldon Adelson.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

    God only knows how many billions of dollars in value NFL teams will lose in the fracas to come.

    It’s going to be ugly.

    I see that Robert Kraft has expressed his disappointment in Trump’s remarks. I’ll bet he’s disappointed. How much will Kraft lose in all this? A huge bundle. The NFL’s fate is his fate.

    Of course the media will play this for all it’s worth — merely prolonging the agony and damage of the controversy to the NFL, Kraft included. Neither the media nor Kraft comprehend that most Americans are just offended if not disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of the players. Supporting that behavior just can’t work out in the end. People vote with their feet.

    Part of the problem too is that the NFL is now being eaten away at two sides. Right wing fans will turn away because of the kneeling. Bleeding heart fans will turn away because of CTE. Who will be left?

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    Trumps's victory last November is now bearing its most wholesome, if slow-ripening, fruit: White America is rapidly shedding its Frankfurterschulekonditionierung.

    In plain English, the hypnotic trance that the Frankfurter School has had over Norman Rockwell's Historic American Nation is wearing off fast. The Whites beat the odds and stunned the "experts" who had confidently predicted their demographic demise during this century when they elected Trump. Winning felt good; red pills began to be guzzled by the handful by wannabe Wokewights in dark, secret spaces.

    Now, in a bar, a newly-fledged Wokewight, watching another idiotic time-consuming end-zone touchdown victory celebration by an attention-whoring dindu such as Quan'trelle Demetius 37X Washington of the Houston Looters, openly dares to say,"I'm getting awfully sick of being forced to watch these overpaid attention whores, aren't you?' without fear of retribution; everyone in the bar knows it's true. Do millions of Americans have nothing better to do than spend 20 seconds of their precious lives watching a fool waste their time, and silently resenting it?

    We have come 180 degrees since the 60's: Now it is the Whites who truly feel that they are morally right, that they have legitimate grievances that the Elite are deliberately worsening, and that the Blacks will never be satisfied. The Blacks are a bottomless pit of grievance and resentment. It's time to cut the ropes that bind them to us, the Lead Alpinists, and let them seek a toehold or plunge, unlamented, to the yawning gorge below.

    , @David
    I think this is the first "shame boycott" organized from the right. Trump's voters represent the majority of income and property in the USA. They aren't like the almost penniless weaves-n-sh*t shoppers menacing us with the terrors of the earth if their demands aren't met. And white liberals aren't going to become football fans just to support the message that America is uniquely evil.

    Trump has just catalyzed widespread metastasis of the kneeling shtick, and brought it to a crisis.

    Funny the Patriot's PR department didn't catch "affect social change" instead of "effect social change."
    , @Inquiring Mind
    Glenn Reynolds' Law

    "I'll believe that the NFL team owners stand to lose billions when they act like they stand to lose billions."
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  215. t says:

    Howie Long is acting all Woke on on Fox, the same Howie Long who ended up moved in with an uncle to attend school after Boston started busing, for completely unrelated reasons of course.

    https://www.si.com/mmqb/2016/06/28/dr-z-paul-zimmerman-howie-long-sports-illustrated-nfl

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    Howie Long and thousands of other Boston public school students. It was the reason why the tuition at my Catholic high school just outside Boston went from $250 my freshman year to $750 by my senior year.

    In Howie's case, it was also to get a athletically-talented kid away from the project rats in Charlestown.

    I would occasionally see Howie's father at lunch in a restaurant in Everett, just across the Mystic River from Charlestown. He was a very large man and an old school union legbreaker.

    Howie's kid was one of the first white players to express sympathy for the kneelers.
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  216. @Peter Akuleyev
    The NFL is a business. From the point of view of a business they had been handling the black football players pretty well. The last thing the league and owners want is an open confrontation that will either drive away conservative fans or destroy the succesful inroads the NFL has made among female fans and hip millenials. The NFL wants to be all things to all people, not the NBA appealing to blacks and white liberals, and not NASCAR. The league's approach - let the players do their thing, but quietly send a message by blackballing the most prominent leader of the movement - was working fine. The black players were getting the message that their careers were in jeopardy, but the league still had plausible deniability in front of the liberal press. Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess. To the extent Trump benefits from increasing the divisiveness and anger in the US, it might be a winning strategy for him personally, but he continues to reinforce the message that he is unreliable and will stab anyone in the back, including loyal Trump supporters like Kraft, Jones, Kroenke and soon-to-be owner Sheldon Adelson.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

    That’s a mighty big “IF” there boss.

    Simple fact is, the average Joe Sixpack feetsball fan knows what would happen if he marched into work tomorrow and began spouting off to customers about Evil America when he should instead be doing his job. The NFL players’ job is to play feetsball and make Joe Sixpack forget his troubles for a few hours. When they’re suited up and in their absurdly compensated role at the workplace, if they’re broadcasting their anti-white / anti-American street cred bullshit, they’re NOT doing the job they’re so overly compensated to do.

    Even dimwit Joe Sixpack can clearly see and understand this. It’s one thing if these afrocentrists go on ESPN with their nonsense, Joe can just watch the highlight reels and switch off. But when it’s game day, he can’t un-see the crap.

    RIGHT NOW is the optimum time for massive propaganda efforts from clear eyed (those who can see or Notice) folks on the rampant rape and other crime associated with African feetsball players.

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  217. @David In TN
    They've been using football players who don't belong on a college campus for decades.

    They’ve been using football players who don’t belong on a college campus in prison (or Africa) for decades.

    Sorry David, I just had to fix that for you!

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  218. @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    I, for one, have always made it quite clear that I do not believe there is any such right to free speech, nor do I support the political manufacture of such a right. Error has no rights. There is no right to speak untruth in public or to disturb the peace with agitations.

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  219. Gentlemen, a toast! To the death of free speech! May there never exist anyone who is consistent on that issue!

    I look forward to the end of hypocrisy, where the future is laid bare with pure tribal actions and no justifications to any higher principles.

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  220. @David In TN
    "NFL owners aren't conservative. Take Pittsburgh's Rooney family."

    Exactly. Owners who are nominal Republicans are Bush/Romney types.

    Maybe they support his full agenda, or maybe they just automatically support and donate to the Republican candidate out of habit, but there are have been several public Trump supporters among the owners. One (Woody Johnson) is now the ambassador to Britain!

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  221. @Crawfurdmuir

    Makes him look petty, saps socio-political energy from more exigent concerns.
     
    Maybe, and yet...

    The left has made 'the long march through the institutions' one by one - academia, journalism, popular entertainment - and it has prevailed largely without resistance, because the right (or what passed for it) focused its socio-political energy on what it regarded as the 'more exigent concerns' of economic policy regarding trade, taxation, regulation, etc. While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    I'm not a great sports fan, but it would be foolish to conclude from my own lack of interest in them that what happens in major-league sports and sporting journalism is unimportant to American society. Sports are part of the culture, and what we're witnessing in the NFL and on ESPN is just another campaign in the left's 'long march.' What's significant about this is that, until quite recently, sports were a part of American culture over which the left did not exert the hegemony it did over (say) Hollywood, the arts, news media, etc.

    Shall the right let yet another cultural institution fall to the left without lifting a finger to defend it, because doing so would appear unserious and beneath its dignity? Andrew Breitbart was right to observe that politics is downstream from the culture. Conservatives have failed to appreciate this, and continue to do so.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem:

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/8-year-old-football-players-take-knee-during-national-anthem/16963363/

    This cannot lead to anything good.

    While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    Republicans control the vast majority of state/federal political offices in the country, and have controlled them for a while. Outside CA and NY, state-level politics trend rightward.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem

    Which they wouldn’t be doing if Trump had kept his mouth shut. Kaepernick et al. were last season’s news. Now the Resistance has a whole new Schelling point.

    The only way Trump’s calling out the NFL makes good strategic sense is if it’s designed to accelerate what you or he think is an inevitable civil war between Red and Blue tribes. And that’s fine. I can understand that logic. But I don’t think that’s what you’re saying, and I don’t believe for a second that’s the Trumpian long game.

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    The only way Trump’s calling out the NFL makes good strategic sense is if it’s designed to accelerate what you or he think is an inevitable civil war between Red and Blue tribes. And that’s fine. I can understand that logic. But I don’t think that’s what you’re saying, and I don’t believe for a second that’s the Trumpian long game.
     
    No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the left, having established control over most of our cultural institutions - academia, journalism, literature and the arts, Hollywood - is now in the process of taking over one of the last that has remained outside it, namely the spectator sports.

    You apparently prefer to allow them to do so. Trump is at least not giving up. What if, twenty or thirty or forty years ago, the right had not given up on the other cultural institutions? What if, particularly, the right had succeeded in attacking them economically? Would they be as thoroughly in the thrall of Kulturbolschewismus as they are today?

    We are witnessing a decline in attendance at NFL games, a fall in television viewership, and apparently even some effect in advertising. Hollywood, likewise, has just had one of the worst box-office seasons in recent history, but for the movies, the lesson that a business cannot treat half of its potential customers with contempt has come far too late. Perhaps for professional sports, the bitter medicine will be administered in time.

    Republican control of political offices is likely to be evanescent. What good has it done? The oft-proclaimed Republican opposition to Obamacare has proven to be empty posturing, and the Chamber of Commerce wing of the party is opposing immigration control with as much vigor as the Democrats do. If you think that the RINO herd is going to inspire loyalty among the Republican base, you're heading for a rude awakening.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem

    Which they wouldn’t be doing if Trump had kept his mouth shut. Kaepernick et al. were last season’s news. Now the Resistance has a whole new Schelling point.
     
    Anti-white resentment and ‘normie’ capitulation is never “last season’s news.” Total cultural rot was already happening and is unacceptable. Trump simply ripped the vinyl siding off the NFL and revealed all the termites underneath, from the players to the commissioner. Preferring to ignore it and not call it out is craven surrender.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Surrender our way to victory huh?

    "Political control" is a mirage. The reality is that Trump was the only politician who took on the cultural institutions arrayed against him head on. Even Mike Pence broke when Tim Cook lisped menacingly at him.

    But again, this goes back to my point about Big Brains around here with the political instincts of Hillary Clinton telling the man who won how to fight.
    , @Kylie
    "We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem

    Which they wouldn’t be doing if Trump had kept his mouth shut. Kaepernick et al. were last season’s news."

    Wrong. If you read the linked article, you'd know these kids were responding to the recent not guilty verdict in the case of a white St. Louis cop who killed a black suspect.

    Yes, Kaepernick et al were last season's news. And the left was determined they'd be this season's news, too.
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  222. @wiseguy
    The league's future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries. Player criminality and protests got it wobbling. Trump just pushed it over.

    The NFL and the NBA will never be the same. Like ESPN, they have rejected their viewers, and their viewers will in turn reject them.

    Turns out Hernandez had yuge amounts of brain damage.

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    It's not just football that would account for the mess that was his brain. He was always in fisticuffs as a kid.
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  223. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    In the 1800s, one thing foreigners noted about American men, even those without education, is that they were all willing to talk about politics, and all seemed pretty well informed about the issues of the day. It was these ordinary citizens, badly educated by today’s standards, who created our country. They did not talk about sports. There wasn’t any sort of organized sports as we know it in the 1800s. Men in that era got a lot more physical exercise, and the whole society was healthier mentally as well. Our forbearers were a lot less neurotic. They would not have gotten into tizzies about microaggressions and trannies having female bathroom access.

    As for suspend or fire today’s players, what would be the result? Black players would disappear, and the whites on the 2nd and 3rd string would have to play in their places. The teams would abruptly whiten. The most well-known players, now white, would be a lot less likely to hit the tabloids for their criminality and sociopathy. That’s a benefit, I’d say.

    As for injuries? How much brain damage was there back in the era in which the teams were all white? Frankly, you’re less likely to be injured if the players charging into you weigh an average of 250 pounds instead of 350 pounds. Smaller players would be safer, not the bloated, steroids-addled monsters we see being bred today like some weird, gene-damaged dog breed.

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    I think a fair number of black players were, quite rationally, worried about losing their jobs or at least salary cuts due to dwindling fan support. They resisted the protest, at least at first. There was a snowball effect and also, increasingly, GMs, coaches, the Commish, and white players supported, to a greater or lesser extent, the protests, until you had the large number of protest participants this weekend.

    Go, Pack, go!
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  224. It’s rather bizarre that our elites in the media and in sports seem to think that they can win the kneeling thing merely by lining up more elites in the media and in sports to buy into it.

    Sure, they can make all the fuss they want over the numbers of elite who support the kneeling. But the fans and voters have their own strong opinion on kneeling, and that’s just not going to go away because the elite is trying to force it down their throats.

    The only people who will be damaged are the elites who line up in support of the kneeling.

    For the NFL, the bottom line will be the bottom line: viewership for NFL games most importantly.

    Who wants to bet that that will go up instead of down?

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    Viewership and attendance are already down and scaring the NFL owners. And with Goodell telling Trump in essence we're not respecting the flag or America is not going to over well with a lot of white fans.

    And if the players do their mass kneeling in a game stateside, I can see a lot of TV's being turned off and future ticket sales dropping like a rock.

    The black players don't get it. Football is a white working and middle-class spectator sport. And when these whites see a bunch of spoiled black thugs saying FU to the country and flag. Well it's going to drive a lot of viewers away and then advertisers.
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  225. @Peter Akuleyev
    The NFL is a business. From the point of view of a business they had been handling the black football players pretty well. The last thing the league and owners want is an open confrontation that will either drive away conservative fans or destroy the succesful inroads the NFL has made among female fans and hip millenials. The NFL wants to be all things to all people, not the NBA appealing to blacks and white liberals, and not NASCAR. The league's approach - let the players do their thing, but quietly send a message by blackballing the most prominent leader of the movement - was working fine. The black players were getting the message that their careers were in jeopardy, but the league still had plausible deniability in front of the liberal press. Trump just tossed a hand grenade in, and made a huge mess. To the extent Trump benefits from increasing the divisiveness and anger in the US, it might be a winning strategy for him personally, but he continues to reinforce the message that he is unreliable and will stab anyone in the back, including loyal Trump supporters like Kraft, Jones, Kroenke and soon-to-be owner Sheldon Adelson.

    OTOH, if the NFL gets a long term ratings surge from all this new publicity, then all will be forgiven.

    If Trump’s goal was to destroy the NFL, he seems (based on events so far this weekend, in which the formerly small-and-contained protests have spread considerably) to have taken a big step in that direction. But while that may be a goal of some posters in this thread, it is unlikely to be Trump’s goal – just a byproduct of his desire to throw out red meat at a rally.

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    Maybe that is his goal. Maybe he still has a grudge from his USFL days when then NFL steamrolled the USFL's anti-trust suit.
    , @StillCARealist
    The possibility that he's just saying what he thinks is off the table? No, Trump said what all of us are thinking because it's a perfectly normal reaction to this spiteful behavior by black radicals. How is it any different from those 1968 Olympic athletes raising their fists during the anthem?

    Our national anthem and flag aren't just a song and a piece of cloth, they're symbols for the entire nation and its history. When those guys disrespect the symbols, they disrespect me and all my ancestors. Kaepernick's big beef is police brutality against black criminals, right? so his idea of protesting is to insult the rest of the country. why? because he considers the rest of us to be complicit in brutality against the black man. He doesn't just hate the St. Louis police, or whatever, he hates America and its people. I suspect he hates you, James, and Mr. Akuleyev too.
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  226. Redman says:

    It’s clear you haven’t been to Europe lately. Because this trait you describe is hardly limited to Americans. The Euro crowd is even more into their futbal than we are.

    The steam outlet effect of sports is important. If it didn’t exist, we’d have civil wars every 5 years at least. You can bet on it.

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    The best way for that to work would be to have some explicitly SJW teams where everyone kneels and some traditional ones.
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  227. Sunbeam says:
    @silviosilver

    In how many other professional settings would it be considered appropriate to hold a flag-worshipping ceremony.
     
    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation's name.

    But back to your point, yeah, playing the national anthem at domestic sporting competitions is a somewhat bizarre practice, now I think about it. I've never been too big on mindless patriotism, so even though I can understand why plenty of people might find it a pleasure to have the opportunity to express pride in and love for their country in such a powerful group setting, this is one of those rare instances I think I could agree with a cult marx-like critique of a time-honored custom.

    Curiously, it has been a paleo-leftie, Ralph Nader, who has requested that corporations commence shareholder meetings by reciting the pledge of allegiance in the corporation’s name.

    If corporations are people I think they should be subject to the draft and classified 1-A.

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  228. Having now listened to the audio of Trump’s remarks on the NFL, it does seem ever more likely than ever that he is suffering from the onset of dementia. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, the issue is not one that a mentally competent President should be addressing.

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    Trump IS an entertainer. It's hard to know at his rallies when he is entertaining and when he is both entertaining and trying to provoke for a larger reason.
    He's been a war with the media for a long time now. Both the NFL and the media, in bed together with their huge contracts, stand to lose if the Donald has played this right.
    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    Wtf are u talking about? Trump says the things most normal Americans are thinking but don't have his platform.
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  229. t says:

    So will the MSM call Alejandro Villanueva a “white hispanic” or just plain white?

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  230. @candid_observer
    God only knows how many billions of dollars in value NFL teams will lose in the fracas to come.

    It's going to be ugly.

    I see that Robert Kraft has expressed his disappointment in Trump's remarks. I'll bet he's disappointed. How much will Kraft lose in all this? A huge bundle. The NFL's fate is his fate.

    Of course the media will play this for all it's worth -- merely prolonging the agony and damage of the controversy to the NFL, Kraft included. Neither the media nor Kraft comprehend that most Americans are just offended if not disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of the players. Supporting that behavior just can't work out in the end. People vote with their feet.

    Part of the problem too is that the NFL is now being eaten away at two sides. Right wing fans will turn away because of the kneeling. Bleeding heart fans will turn away because of CTE. Who will be left?

    Trumps’s victory last November is now bearing its most wholesome, if slow-ripening, fruit: White America is rapidly shedding its Frankfurterschulekonditionierung.

    In plain English, the hypnotic trance that the Frankfurter School has had over Norman Rockwell’s Historic American Nation is wearing off fast. The Whites beat the odds and stunned the “experts” who had confidently predicted their demographic demise during this century when they elected Trump. Winning felt good; red pills began to be guzzled by the handful by wannabe Wokewights in dark, secret spaces.

    Now, in a bar, a newly-fledged Wokewight, watching another idiotic time-consuming end-zone touchdown victory celebration by an attention-whoring dindu such as Quan’trelle Demetius 37X Washington of the Houston Looters, openly dares to say,”I’m getting awfully sick of being forced to watch these overpaid attention whores, aren’t you?’ without fear of retribution; everyone in the bar knows it’s true. Do millions of Americans have nothing better to do than spend 20 seconds of their precious lives watching a fool waste their time, and silently resenting it?

    We have come 180 degrees since the 60′s: Now it is the Whites who truly feel that they are morally right, that they have legitimate grievances that the Elite are deliberately worsening, and that the Blacks will never be satisfied. The Blacks are a bottomless pit of grievance and resentment. It’s time to cut the ropes that bind them to us, the Lead Alpinists, and let them seek a toehold or plunge, unlamented, to the yawning gorge below.

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  232. Dnought says:
    @James Kabala
    If Trump's goal was to destroy the NFL, he seems (based on events so far this weekend, in which the formerly small-and-contained protests have spread considerably) to have taken a big step in that direction. But while that may be a goal of some posters in this thread, it is unlikely to be Trump's goal - just a byproduct of his desire to throw out red meat at a rally.

    Maybe that is his goal. Maybe he still has a grudge from his USFL days when then NFL steamrolled the USFL’s anti-trust suit.

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    • Replies: @Bubba
    You are 100% correct. President Trump holds a grudge indefinitely and returns the favor when it's best to his advantage. The NFL handled this very poorly by tolerating the BLM fiction and alienating their base of customers. In addition, I would not be surprised if the NFL breaks up in a few years when the inevitable occurs and cable TV subscriptions really tank. The fan demographics for the NFL are declining and even worse news for the NFL, more & more high schools can't field a team even if they can afford the insurance and equipment.
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  233. What I would kneel for first is the Pledge. One nation indivisible (Jawohl, Mr Lincoln). Then after we were properly divided again there would be no national anthem, at least not that one. I’m sure this is what spoiled black millionaires are thinking. I kneel before SBM.

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  234. res says:
    @BenKenobi
    "did they get you to trade,
    your heroes for ghosts?
    hot ashes for trees?
    hot air for a cool breeze?
    and did you exchange;
    a walk on part in the war;
    for a lead role in a cage?"

    Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here

    The country is still not polarized enough. But this NFL thing is a great bit of accelerationism.

    My favorite part is the good-thinkers accusing the President of injecting politics into football. The absolute chutzpah.

    My favorite part is the good-thinkers accusing the President of injecting politics into football. The absolute chutzpah.

    This. LeBron James being the most notable example I saw.

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  235. res says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I've seen a lot of fainting about Trump being Trump, but not a whole lot of explanation of how the NFL gets out of the Xanatos gambit Trump set up.

    Don't kneel? Trump wins cause you know he's right.

    Kneel? Trump wins because he showed the nation he's right.

    What, the NFL is going to dig up the corpse of Pat Tillman for a REAL AMERICAN HEROES SPECTACULAR after insisting its players can disrespect said REAL AMERICAN HEROES? The best the NFL can hope for at this point is that some hothead doesn't burn a flag on national teevee and they don't bloody themselves too badly tomorrow.

    Hmm, a bunch of juiced up low IQ types with little impulse control, unused to being challenged on any field but a physical one and likely suffering from brain damage? Yeah, I'm sure they'll show restraint.

    Again, its Doom o Clock 24/7 for many of you, who have the political instincts of Hillary Clinton.

    Xanatos Gambit needs to get more traction as a way of explaining some of Trump’s actions: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit

    A Xanatos Gambit is a plan for which all foreseeable outcomes benefit the creator — including ones that superficially appear to be failure. The creator predicts potential attempts to thwart the plan, and arranges the situation such that the creator will ultimately benefit even if their adversary “succeeds” in “stopping” them. When faced with a Xanatos Gambit the options are either to accept that the creator will get the upper hand and choose the outcome that is least beneficial to them, or to defeat them by finding a course that they didn’t predict.

    It will be interesting to watch how this NFL kerfuffle plays out.

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  236. David says:
    @candid_observer
    God only knows how many billions of dollars in value NFL teams will lose in the fracas to come.

    It's going to be ugly.

    I see that Robert Kraft has expressed his disappointment in Trump's remarks. I'll bet he's disappointed. How much will Kraft lose in all this? A huge bundle. The NFL's fate is his fate.

    Of course the media will play this for all it's worth -- merely prolonging the agony and damage of the controversy to the NFL, Kraft included. Neither the media nor Kraft comprehend that most Americans are just offended if not disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of the players. Supporting that behavior just can't work out in the end. People vote with their feet.

    Part of the problem too is that the NFL is now being eaten away at two sides. Right wing fans will turn away because of the kneeling. Bleeding heart fans will turn away because of CTE. Who will be left?

    I think this is the first “shame boycott” organized from the right. Trump’s voters represent the majority of income and property in the USA. They aren’t like the almost penniless weaves-n-sh*t shoppers menacing us with the terrors of the earth if their demands aren’t met. And white liberals aren’t going to become football fans just to support the message that America is uniquely evil.

    Trump has just catalyzed widespread metastasis of the kneeling shtick, and brought it to a crisis.

    Funny the Patriot’s PR department didn’t catch “affect social change” instead of “effect social change.”

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  237. res says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Chris Sailer, the kicking coach, went to Notre Dame H.S. in Sherman Oaks, CA about 19 years after I did.

    The name Sailer isn't really that rare, but there are various spellings.

    A lot of Sailers are in the upper Midwest, such as the Dakotas. Not that many people from there make it into, say, Wikipedia. In contrast, it's a lot easier to become slightly well known at the Chris Sailer / Steve Sailer level if you are from Sherman Oaks.

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.

    Seth Stephens-Davidowitz crunched the numbers on who has Wikipedia pages by birthplace. California is #1 per capita, and big cities do best.

    This is interesting enough to deserve some followup: http://www.businessinsider.com/everybody-lies-wikipedia-success-study-2017-8

    One thing I find interesting is the interpretation of “has Wikipedia page” as “is successful.” I like that iSteve gave the real metric involved.

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  238. res says:
    @jackmcg
    Players not standing for the anthem is dumb and everyone knows it. Trump gets high approval there.

    On the other hand, I thought his tweet about Stephen Curry was dumb. I get it, he's kind of in a crappy spot. Two digit IQ mystery meats get to grandstand on him by "boycotting the White House" 4 times a year for easy press. But he really shouldn't respond to crap like that. Just invite the team, host graciously the ones who come, and let the liberal crybaby athletes look butthurt.

    Just invite the team, host graciously the ones who come, and let the liberal crybaby athletes look butthurt.

    It was not going to play out like that (I suspect this is what prompted Trump to respond). The Warriors decided to have a team meeting and choose whether or not to attend as a group.

    https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/22/golden-state-warriors-white-house-donald-trump-visit-meeting

    Note the timing of this article and Trump’s tweet (9/23).

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  239. Whiskey says: • Website

    While this could destroy the NFL, it could also go the other way. The ENTIRE Pittsburgh Steelers team and coaches refused to come out on the field for the National Anthem. Kraft blasted Trump as a racist. Half the Patriots kneeled for the anthem, and the team is deeply divided.

    There is a growing social movement that Blacks HATE HATE HATE the Anthem and America. Even more so as they are not racially oppressed — the Klan is not everywhere killing people — and still they have issues: a White man succeeded Barack Obama as President, a lot of Black people are killed by nearly all the time, other Black people. Which cannot be their fault.

    Thus the media, owners, players, Congress, Republicans, Democrats, business leaders, billionaire oligarchs, Blacks, etc. in other words the people WHO MATTER (not you deplorables) are just as likely to ban the National Anthem and the Flag and perhaps change it into something written by Kanye West for the Anthem focused on most probably, Black male genitals, wealth, and “hos” plus a Black Power Flag of a Black Clenched fist instead of the Stars and Stripes which is now defacto “racist”

    Indeed if you look at the larger arc of American history since 1920, it has been steadily White submission to Black rule; in pretty much every way. Goodell and the owners are panicked — they know the players collectively have the real power, just ask Donald T. Sterling; and that American Society is and has been since women got the vote, anti-White male.

    Yeah the Deplorables love the flag and anthem and hate hate hate spoiled Black athletes who make 340 times the median salary talking about White racism. But they don’t matter and never have.

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    Steeler offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva (USMA grad & veteran) was on the field saluting the flag.
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  241. If it-even unintentionally-starts turning people away from sports, I’m all for it.

    Turn. Off. Your. Fucking. TV.

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  242. res says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Good points.

    local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?
     
    The above was quote worthy. Athletes are nothing more than mercenary gladiators. Might as well root for Nike and Reebok.

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed… have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It’s not just the “heroes” of the gridiron who’ve sold out… the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness… long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.
     
    Being an American used to mean something. It meant being apart of the country that collectively suffered through the Depression, won WWII, got a man to the moon, lived through the 60s, fought and eventually won the Cold War, and experienced a lot of things together as a people. It meant common legends and heroes (Johnny Appleseed, Paul Bunyan, Wild West Cowboys).

    Now what the hell does being an American mean? Eating fast food, shopping for Black Friday deals at Best Buy, moving to a McMansion in some far off suburb, and watching NFL/NBA/MLB/NCAA-FB.

    At this point, anybody can be an American. A Chinese, Korean, Viet, Indian, Paki, Mexican, Guatemalan, Russian, Puerto Rican, Arab, Persian, Mongolian, Dominican. As long as you like the NFL and Black Friday specials, you're as American as anybody else!

    The above was quote worthy. Athletes are nothing more than mercenary gladiators. Might as well root for Nike and Reebok.

    I wonder if we will ever see that. I can envision an exhibition game/tournament of NBA stars organized by their endorsers and it seems a short road from that to what you describe. Of course the corporate financial strength would be even less balanced than the city financial strength so it would probably not work without strict rules for financial commitment (salary caps). Then there is the where would they play issue.

    Would you consider Formula 1 a good example of this?

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    Would you consider Formula 1 a good example of this?
     
    F1 is about the conjoined wizardry of the machine and the driver. Nobody cares about the sponsor - it’s the engineering team/builder/mechanics, and driver. Ferrari, Mercedes, and McLaren being the prime examples (not to mention the Constructors Championship). In bouncyball and feetsball, nobody cares about what brand of ball they’re bouncing or throwing or catching. By the very nature of the games the opponents must play with the same balls. Indy Car Racing and NASCAR are closer to what you suggest.
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  243. This might be a good fight for Trump to pick. The people all taking a knee or those who are sympathetic to what they are doing are people who would never vote or side with Trump anyway. They hate him! Many of them just hate white people too. By taking a knee, they are in effect, putting up their middle fingers. They did not just do it once as a gesture. They are doing it now on a regular basis.

    So rather than ignore the constant indignities, why not engage them? He did not start it but rather than avoid acknowledging what is going on, better to exposes them for what they are; a bunch of white hating athletes of color with a chip on their shoulders.

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  244. @Whitney
    I was amused. But I'm not a sports fan and I don't have cable. I do hope people start cutting their cable off. low attendance and ratings have impact but there is a ton of money in the cable subscription. It doesn't matter whether you watch or not they're still getting their cut like every other channel on your "bundle"

    I cut the cord some time ago. With a cheap digital antenna, so I can pick up 20 to 30 over-the-air broadcast stations.

    (You have to play around with it to get a good signal. It’s a hassle, but if you find a station that you can watch all the time, it’s not too bad.)

    After Irma*, I lost power for about a day and a half. (I was lucky – others were in the dark for nearly two weeks.) But my cell phone was totally dead for three days – I could neither call nor text – and my Internet connection was out for about six days. (My Internet service is through my cell-phone provider.) So I had to watch the TeeVee nooz to find out what was happening. (I had a radio, but I wanted to see the pictures.) It’s a good thing I had the antenna.

    The storm struck two weeks ago today. I know some folks who are still living without cable/satellite/Internet service.

    There’s a station called H&I that shows all of the Star Trek series (TAS, TOS, TNG, DS9, Voy, and Ent) in a row six hours a night, six nights a week. I’ve already seen all of them, but if nothing else it gives me something to put on in the background. (I mute the commercials.) I’ve been pulling a lot of all-nighters lately, so I can also tell you that after Ent come NYPD Blue, The Commish, Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, and Xena: Lesbian Icon*.

    NYPD Blue is a little stale, but The Commish is downright cringeworthy. Hercules is so badly acted that I can’t even enjoy it as camp. And I love bad movies.

    *Near me, in the suburbs south of Miami, a lot of trees and fences were knocked down, but that’s about it. Driving around, I did see one house where the patio collapsed into the pool. (I’m pretty sure that was caused by a tornado – at the same intersection, a metal traffic pole was bent.) Along one major thoroughfare, the sidewalk was torn up by the uprooting of several large trees. It looked like an earthquake had struck – big chunks of sidewalk were sticking up at bizarre angles. (Those same trees smashed through a concrete wall surrounding a subdivision. The concrete blocks themselves crumbled into little pieces.)

    There was nothing on the scale of what I saw after Andrew, when houses and even large commercial buildings (supermarkets and department stores) collapsed into piles of rubble. There were entire neighborhoods – such as Country Walk – that looked like Hiroshima after Little Boy. But the devastation in the Middle Keys is comparable to what Cutler Ridge and Homestead experienced in 1992.

    **My freshman year of high school, one of my teachers was the butchest bull-d*ke you could ever meet. (Her lover, another teacher at the school, was only slightly more feminine.) She worshipped Xena and never missed an opportunity to tell us so.

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  245. Alternative for Germany(AfD) sings the German national anthem with joy in their hearts. Perhaps we can deport the National Football League players who refuse to respect the flag or the national anthem.

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  246. Clyde says:
    @SteveRogers42
    Back when we had a healthy society...

    https://i.imgur.com/bzye7gT.jpg

    When Pride Still Mattered : A Life Of Vince Lombardi Paperback – September 3, 2000
    by David Maraniss (Author)
    4.7 out of 5 stars 321 customer reviews

    https://www.amazon.com/When-Pride-Still-Mattered-Lombardi/dp/0684870185

    ****** Yes I read it when came out

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  247. @fnn

    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries...
     
    Since nobody on the thread brought this up:
    http://www.spin.ph/football/news/aaron-fernandez-diagnosed-with-severe-cte-as-nfl-patriots-face-lawsuit-from-former-stars-family

    BOSTON — Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez had a severe case of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, his lawyer said on Thursday in announcing a lawsuit against the NFL and the team for hiding the true dangers of the sport.

    Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, said Hernandez had Stage 3 (out of 4) of the disease, which can cause violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive disorders.

    "We're told it was the most severe case they had ever seen for someone of Aaron's age," attorney Jose Baez said.
     
    Yeah, but it can only be diagnosed by autopsy, and he died at age 27.That's pretty young even for an NFL player.

    The league’s future was always going to be on precarious grounds due to head injuries….

    Ask your lawyer if CTE is right for you.

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  248. Alden says:
    @JSM
    I think Trump calling out NFL for anti-Americanism is GREAT.

    The worship of black football players by White American men is, in part, the cause of what ails
    America right now.
    The guys were too busy jock-sniffing to notice that globalists are taking their country from them.

    My dad told me, years ago, it was part of Comintern's plan for world domination, to get American men addicted to professional football, in order to keep them from rising up and stopping them.

    Trump is saying to White American men, put America First, not NFL, dammit.
    This is what needs to happen.

    White men worshipping black athletes is race treason and 100 million White men do it every day. Even worse, they indoctrinate their sons into the worship of black athletes.

    And White men ignore racial discrimination against Whites due to affirmative action. Just stop watching black sports. It doesn’t take any effort. Putting an anti affirmative action referendum on the ballot takes effort.
    But not watching black sports takes no effort whatsoever.

    Hockey is still White. Watch that.

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    OK, I'll ask for the 15th time; would you be OK with your white husband figuratively fellating athletes if they were white? Would you be OK with you husband walking around with another white man's name on his back like a 10th grade cheerleader? For some reason I have yet to receive an answer for this.
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  249. @JohnnyWalker123
    Football riots in England.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhn7qrc9E7A

    Were the residents of Rotherham to meek and high-minded to protest? Or maybe were they too distracted by sportsball to give a damn?

    This isn’t a riot. Not even close. It’s just the two sets of supporters being kept apart as they leave the stadium after the match. It’s a fairly typical scene in an English city on a Saturday afternoon. West Ham and Millwall are London rivals with a lot of history between them both off and on the pitch, so this probably has more of a police presence than most matches. Perhaps the excitable narration of the Brazilian lead you to believe the clip was more dramatic than it actually was?

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    Riots were more a thing back in the 70s and 80s. Luton vs Millwall, 1983 IIRC. 8 minutes of soccer and 2 minutes of rioting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B5670vcqIM
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Whatever it was, it shows you that the average British man's energy is channeled into frivolity. Their aggressive drives are channeled into fighting over a bunch of guys who kick a ball for a living.
    , @Brutusale
    Ol' Johnny should attend a Celtic game in a Ranger kit to experience the real deal.
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  250. Bellator MMA heavyweight fighter Matt Mitrione beat the Russian fighter Fedor Emilianenko (widely regarded as the best heavyweight ever, but past his prime) on June 24 this year. In the post-fight interview, Mitrione said: “Hey President Trump, f*ck the Golden State Warriors. I’m a real warrior. I’ll come to the White House. I’ll be good and honorable.” The video has been scrubbed from the internet, by Bellator I guess, but here he is talking about it on Louder With Crowder: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=matt+mitrione&&view=detail&mid=EBE9E1E85013E7DCDF28EBE9E1E85013E7DCDF28&FORM=VRDGAR

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    Well unfortunately this guy is a 2nd rate champion of a 3rd rate outfit and The Donna only likes winners, so Steph Curry gets an invite, and maybe Mr. Mitrone will be invited to lunch by a county commissioner in his hometown of Springfield, IL.
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  251. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Maj. Kong
    Pat Tillman was left-wing. Before he was killed, he was setting up a meeting with Noam Chomsky to lead protests against the war when he left active duty.

    Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’, keep those doggies trollin’
    Rawhide!

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  252. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    I completely agree with your analysis and also despair about the energy and attention our fellow citizens have for the shallow trivialities of corporate & commercial sports spectacles.

    However please consider why there is so much emotion and tears spilled over sportsball.

    In our diverse society which has been purging all historic, civic & cultural stories heroes from Columbus to to Shakespeare to Beethoven to Jefferson and even Watson & Crick for being hopelessly sinful and irrelevant stale palewhitemales, there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty. Is there any institution that we can all agree on... other than that disloyal corporate sponsored astroturf carrier of civic pride & unity, that itself knows zero sense of humanity or local loyalty whether in its draft of players with no local ties or discharge of free agents or ever greedy peering over the regional horizon for a market willing to offer a better deal for broadcast rights or a more extravagant & luxurious stadium deal?

    Diversity has destroyed any shared heroes, stories or destinies. Blood & soil indeed... have been traded for glitz & profit of the market. It's not just the "heroes" of the gridiron who've sold out... the fans too have sold their souls and the stadia and cable networks echo the loud whoops and rahs to distract them from the emptiness... long enough until the commercial breaks when we can indulge our fantasy and gluttony.

    My conclusion is peculiar however. Even though it was decided some generations ago to destroy our people's unity by purging our idols and myths and by dividing then into toxic tribalism, it's now apparent that those efforts have been so successful that significant numbers of fellow citizens no longer identify with our people and institutions and view themselves apart from them much as an occupied people might view an oppressive conquering power. Perversely enforcing a phony unity over this sports spectacle may do more harm than good. Perhaps it would be constructive to let America's divided tribes express their hate and rivalries for each other in a less destructive forum... with the well-paid professional gladiators being their proxies. Instead of real world violence, let a team of black power athletes stand for whatever ideals & anthem they do believe in and let them compete with dignity and honesty. Sure many Americans will boo and hiss, but these black separatists have been booing and hissing the American establishment for generations now. Might as well get it out in the open. Upside for the NFL...? Better ratings than ever. Inject a little potent identity politics into the game but keep it respectful and sportsmanlike to show that there's still humanity there. Isn't this exactly the kind of chauvinistic drama that makes the Olympics even though people don't have much clue about the athletics? Also consider the appeal of contrived drama & rivalries that makes professional wrestling evidently such compelling entertainment. Add the emotion of identity politics to sportsball and it would make it meaningful and relevant again after all.

    , there remains no common denominator except the cash nexus and this commercial sports spectacle distilled of genuine meaning or loyalty.

    Bread and circuses, you mean?

    You’re right that sport enjoys an elevated status with liberalism – not only because it helps to placate and distract the masses, but because it’s practically the only stage where blacks can be genuinely celebrated for their excellence. I understand the NFL is easily the most popular sport in the US, and the supporting base within the stadiums still appears overwhelmingly pale, but are there any signs that its popularity amongst whites is falling?

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  253. gregor says:
    @Peripatetic commenter
    By speaking out on issues that can raise his popularity and demonstrating how unhinged the leftist really are he makes it possible to take a hard stand against their sacred cows, like DACA.

    They. Must. Go. Back! And the God Emperor Trump is the person who can do it!

    Right. It will likely end up being complementary.

    Trump is adept at setting this kind of bait for the left. He knows they will react hysterically to stuff like the tranny ban or this NFL thing because they just can’t help themselves. Popular opinion will be with Trump on most of these cultural issues. BLM is a thoroughly toxic movement and it would be great to have Dems promoting it ahead of the midterms.

    As for the immigration fight, I think putting the hostility that blacks have for America on display for the whole country can only help. Blacks whose heritage goes back hundreds of years in America still hate the country. It undermines the myth of race neutral immigration, that we can bring in anyone from anywhere and turn them all into Americans in any meaningful sense. Trump can’t make those arguments explicitly, but with BLM and DACA protestors shouting in Spanish, etc., he won’t need to.

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    Let's stop saying stuff like this: "it would be great to have Dems promoting [something crappy] ahead of the midterm," because it wouldn't. We want our opposition to be great so our leaders have to be great to win.
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  254. Rod1963 says:
    @candid_observer
    It's rather bizarre that our elites in the media and in sports seem to think that they can win the kneeling thing merely by lining up more elites in the media and in sports to buy into it.

    Sure, they can make all the fuss they want over the numbers of elite who support the kneeling. But the fans and voters have their own strong opinion on kneeling, and that's just not going to go away because the elite is trying to force it down their throats.

    The only people who will be damaged are the elites who line up in support of the kneeling.

    For the NFL, the bottom line will be the bottom line: viewership for NFL games most importantly.

    Who wants to bet that that will go up instead of down?

    Viewership and attendance are already down and scaring the NFL owners. And with Goodell telling Trump in essence we’re not respecting the flag or America is not going to over well with a lot of white fans.

    And if the players do their mass kneeling in a game stateside, I can see a lot of TV’s being turned off and future ticket sales dropping like a rock.

    The black players don’t get it. Football is a white working and middle-class spectator sport. And when these whites see a bunch of spoiled black thugs saying FU to the country and flag. Well it’s going to drive a lot of viewers away and then advertisers.

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  255. NickG says:

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    Kneeling negros will not play with blue collar and many white collar whites.

    The more kneeling negros, the better for the GOP mid term and Trump in 2020, should he choose to stand.

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  256. eah says:
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    The NFL banned Dallas players from wearing stickers on their helmets in honor of the police officers massacred by the BLM terrorist.
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  257. Marck says:
    @Anonymous
    Trump is a rat! And I voted for him to block the Arkansas mafia.

    He claims he supports swamp thing Strange out of loyalty. Meanwhile he has cleaned out all of the Trump loyalists from the White House. Except for Miller whom Trump needs to write exciting red meat speeches for the base.

    Trumped talked about getting rid of friends at the rally last night:


    “May have to get rid of a few of them. I’ve already gotten rid of a few of them,” Trump continued smiling, a possible reference to his once Chief Strategist and now again Breitbart News Chairman Steve Bannon, and Dr. Sebastian Gorka. “But they’re good people. No, they’re good people.”



    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.

    Blackpilled that he hasn’t accomplished everything in 8 months? This is why they have 4 year terms. Patience is a virtue.

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    Blackpilled that he hasn’t accomplished everything in 8 months? This is why they have 4 year terms. Patience is a virtue.
     
    And it’s usually the second term when they most aggressively try to assert their agenda. The Wall, I suspect will be 1/4 built by 2020. Are you gonna vote for the guy who started it and promises to finish it or the opponent who promises to tear it down? (Notably, E-Verify still won’t be mandatory and employers of illegals won’t be jailed)

    Where I think Trump is blowing it is in his continuation of wars where we have no national interest. He gained a significant number of votes on his anti-war stance and now must run on a pro-war record. Maybe that’s the real reason he’s inserted himself into the NFL debacle - to shore up his bona fides as a Patriot, hoping an appeal to patriotism will keep his anti-war voters.
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  258. @candid_observer
    God only knows how many billions of dollars in value NFL teams will lose in the fracas to come.

    It's going to be ugly.

    I see that Robert Kraft has expressed his disappointment in Trump's remarks. I'll bet he's disappointed. How much will Kraft lose in all this? A huge bundle. The NFL's fate is his fate.

    Of course the media will play this for all it's worth -- merely prolonging the agony and damage of the controversy to the NFL, Kraft included. Neither the media nor Kraft comprehend that most Americans are just offended if not disgusted by the disrespectful behavior of the players. Supporting that behavior just can't work out in the end. People vote with their feet.

    Part of the problem too is that the NFL is now being eaten away at two sides. Right wing fans will turn away because of the kneeling. Bleeding heart fans will turn away because of CTE. Who will be left?

    Glenn Reynolds’ Law

    “I’ll believe that the NFL team owners stand to lose billions when they act like they stand to lose billions.”

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  259. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer


    To rally the base Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives.

    What a damn lie.

    NFL owners are almost all liberals or neocons. At least 1/3 Jewish.

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    They're oligarchs. Doesn't matter if they're Jewish or gentile. Doesn't matter if they're liberal, conservative, or neocon. They're oligarchs.

    Anyway I don't understand why American conservatives worship money, Big Business, and billionaires so much. Why is wealth accumulation ability an admirable trait?

    These conservative oligarchs (not liberals) are the people who bring in immigrants to take jobs and act as consumers. If you don't like immigrants, why the hell do you like the oligarchs?

    Americans are a funny people. They glorify multimillionaire entertainers (sportsballers, actors, musicians) and billionaire oligarchs. Like these are the people we should look to for leadership and inspiration.
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  260. @res

    The above was quote worthy. Athletes are nothing more than mercenary gladiators. Might as well root for Nike and Reebok.
     
    I wonder if we will ever see that. I can envision an exhibition game/tournament of NBA stars organized by their endorsers and it seems a short road from that to what you describe. Of course the corporate financial strength would be even less balanced than the city financial strength so it would probably not work without strict rules for financial commitment (salary caps). Then there is the where would they play issue.

    Would you consider Formula 1 a good example of this?

    Would you consider Formula 1 a good example of this?

    F1 is about the conjoined wizardry of the machine and the driver. Nobody cares about the sponsor – it’s the engineering team/builder/mechanics, and driver. Ferrari, Mercedes, and McLaren being the prime examples (not to mention the Constructors Championship). In bouncyball and feetsball, nobody cares about what brand of ball they’re bouncing or throwing or catching. By the very nature of the games the opponents must play with the same balls. Indy Car Racing and NASCAR are closer to what you suggest.

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  261. e says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    From the point of view of NFL owners, most of whom support Trump, his statements are a nightmare. Other than a few journalists complaining that Kaepernick had been blackballed the whole BLM movement had been slowly losing steam. The owners don't want a fight, they want the issue to just go away, and with Kaepernick gone the ring leader was out and most black players weren't interested in picking up that mantle. Instead Trump has brought the whole anthem protest issue to a raging boil, just in time to convince red neck fans that last year's decision to quit watching the NFL was correct. He also managed to put more light on the CTE controversy, something no owner wants. Maybe Trump does hate the NFL. To rally the base Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives. Good long term play? Maybe, but doesn't seem thought out.

    The NFL has a huge contract with two major networks and one cable network, plus it has its own network.

    This is part and parcel of Trump’s war on the media.

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    It has Fox, NBC, CBS, and ESPN, three networks and a cable network, plus the NFL Network. He is sending them over the deep end, ESPN is already losing viewers fast, this will only accelerate the decline.
    , @f
    Yep, if the NFL sinks, then the major news networks are likely neutered.

    Chord-cutters may ultimately buy some some sort of online, bundled NFL package. But once they are off cable, they are unlikely to return to the mainstream news outlets.
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  262. @James Kabala
    If Trump's goal was to destroy the NFL, he seems (based on events so far this weekend, in which the formerly small-and-contained protests have spread considerably) to have taken a big step in that direction. But while that may be a goal of some posters in this thread, it is unlikely to be Trump's goal - just a byproduct of his desire to throw out red meat at a rally.

    The possibility that he’s just saying what he thinks is off the table? No, Trump said what all of us are thinking because it’s a perfectly normal reaction to this spiteful behavior by black radicals. How is it any different from those 1968 Olympic athletes raising their fists during the anthem?

    Our national anthem and flag aren’t just a song and a piece of cloth, they’re symbols for the entire nation and its history. When those guys disrespect the symbols, they disrespect me and all my ancestors. Kaepernick’s big beef is police brutality against black criminals, right? so his idea of protesting is to insult the rest of the country. why? because he considers the rest of us to be complicit in brutality against the black man. He doesn’t just hate the St. Louis police, or whatever, he hates America and its people. I suspect he hates you, James, and Mr. Akuleyev too.

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  263. e says:
    @eah
    It was never about "freedom of ecpression"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKgxSBOVYAA5pC0.jpg

    The NFL banned Dallas players from wearing stickers on their helmets in honor of the police officers massacred by the BLM terrorist.

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  264. All we need to do is change the words to a more politically correct version. We also need to change the flag to red, green, and black, the colors of Kwanzaaland.

    O why can’t you see, that de Whiteys ain’t right?
    We is proud but we jailed, ’cause de Whiteys be scheming:
    Gave us stripes and den scars when dey break up de fight
    Den de Black lives be lost, ‘do de chilluns be screaming?
    In de p’lice car’s red glare, see de billy club dere,
    Dat’s proof to de White dat his flag be unfair.
    O say does de flag of de Whiteys still wave
    O’er de bruthus not free, ’cause dey still be de slave?

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  265. Ed says:
    @David In TN
    The love affair of white liberal males for the NBA goes back to the 1969-70 New York Knicks, who ironically had some white (Bradley, Debusschere) stars. A fantasy of some white liberal writers is their best friend is a black NBA player who they shoot baskets with.

    Lol this rings true. Finally they’ll have a cool black friend and they might even be from the hood!

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  266. @Marck
    Blackpilled that he hasn't accomplished everything in 8 months? This is why they have 4 year terms. Patience is a virtue.

    Blackpilled that he hasn’t accomplished everything in 8 months? This is why they have 4 year terms. Patience is a virtue.

    And it’s usually the second term when they most aggressively try to assert their agenda. The Wall, I suspect will be 1/4 built by 2020. Are you gonna vote for the guy who started it and promises to finish it or the opponent who promises to tear it down? (Notably, E-Verify still won’t be mandatory and employers of illegals won’t be jailed)

    Where I think Trump is blowing it is in his continuation of wars where we have no national interest. He gained a significant number of votes on his anti-war stance and now must run on a pro-war record. Maybe that’s the real reason he’s inserted himself into the NFL debacle – to shore up his bona fides as a Patriot, hoping an appeal to patriotism will keep his anti-war voters.

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  267. Yngvar says:

    This is a fight that the NFL can not win.

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  268. @blah blah blah blah
    Steve, since you've written about college football before: there's an angle to all this CTE stuff that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere. I think that as concern over football health issues spreads the middle class won't want its kids play football. What happens to college football when that happens? How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes? It's already tough enough to field a team of players who can fit in sufficiently well with the rest of the university and also be competitive.

    How will coaches get enough kids who can play but who can also read and write, even by the already low standards we currently have for big-time college athletes?

    They won’t. In my state, news stories of feral athletes used by major state colleges engaging in vibrant off-field activities has become commonplace. Even the most goodthinking goodthinker has to start noticing by the third drug-robbery-homicide attributed to the State U sportsball defense in so many months.

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  269. TheJester says:

    Can anyone really believe the claptrap that diversity is strength anymore?

    There is ample evidence of late that diversity based on racial, cultural, and religious identities turns a previously peaceful country into an assortment of warring “bantustans” based on family, clan, tribe, culture, race, religion, etc.

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    In the end days of the Soviet Union, nobody really believed in Communism anymore. People just pretended to believe in the regime's ideology because if they protested, they knew they'd be fired or socially blackballed. They also assumed that the majority of the population supported Communism, so they went along to get along.

    America is sort of like that. Nobody really believes in the pro-diversity ideology anymore. Americans may pretend that they still have some faith in the national dogma, but it's nothing more than posturing. Internally, we're all aware that diversity is no strength, it's weakness. We just pretend because we want to keep our jobs and not be socially ostracized.

    At some point, the American Regime will collapse. The country is being subject to too many powerful forces (the coming Greek-level debt crisis, military overexhaustion in the Middle East, massive trade deficits, internal dissention among Americans, the falling standard of living, the purging of workers by robots/automation, the acceleration of the opioid epidemic, loss of our technical supremacy to China, the discrediting of our media/political establishment). These various stresses are already so powerful and will continue to increase in magntitude every year. I just can't see the American Regime withstanding all of this in the long term.

    The election of Trump and Brexit are catalysts that have intensified some of these trends. The American Regime may currently still stand and may still maintain some control, but won't continue forever. They know that Trump is a threat to their continued rule, as he keeps questioning their legitimacy. Which is why they're so eager to discredit Trump. Unfortunately for them, no matter what happens to Trump's career, this process is too fargone. It's out of their control now.

    Actually, what's really surprising about the American Regime is that there are quite a few who want policies that'll exacerbate the situation even further. Jewish Neocons call for more military action in the Middle East (Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq) and war with Iran. Business interests want more foreign laborers. Wall Street thinks it's overregulated and wants Dodd-Frank repealed. Billionaires think they need more tax cuts (which will exacerbate the coming debt crisis). The Titanic is headed right at the damn iceberg and the passengers continue to party like it's 99.

    Maybe it's not too surprising that our rulers are trying to distract our public with inane issues like man-man marriage and crossdressing boys using the girl potty. This strategy of distraction has worked well enough in recent years, mostly because Americans are low-information buffoons who believe whatever teevee tells them. Also, because Americans are so entertainment obssessed that they tend to mentally checkout whenver anything serious is discussed.

    This can't go on forever though. If, one day, investors stop buying American Treasury bonds, then what? How does the American Regime continue to fund itself?

    Once the American Regime collapses, there will be a domino effect across the rest of the West. Those countries are heavily reliant on our country and also subject to many of the same forces.

    Once this all happens, nobody will be saying "Diversity is our strength" anymore. The American Regime's ideology will be discredited, much like Communism was discredited after the Soviet Union's collapse.

    What comes next? I don't know. We shall live in interesting times. I can tell you that.
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  270. Mark Caplan says: • Website

    Trump made a big mistake: He turned the kneeling protests from being anti-American to being anti-Trump.

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    I know some people here endorse the "the worse, the better" philosophy, but last week four players in the whole league knelt during the anthem, and today it seems to be several dozen, maybe even over one hundred. (I have not heard an exact figure yet, and we still have the Sunday Night and Monday Night games to go.) I don't think that can be good for the country.
    , @Federalist
    Same thing.
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  271. BozoBbb says:

    Two issues are confused in this affair. The first is simply whether it is healthy for adults and children to join in public professions of adherence to a state (and, particularly, to this one). The second is how to respond to public displays of protest by black people toward white people.

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  272. e says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Turns out Hernandez had yuge amounts of brain damage.

    It’s not just football that would account for the mess that was his brain. He was always in fisticuffs as a kid.

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  273. e says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Having now listened to the audio of Trump's remarks on the NFL, it does seem ever more likely than ever that he is suffering from the onset of dementia. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, the issue is not one that a mentally competent President should be addressing.

    Trump IS an entertainer. It’s hard to know at his rallies when he is entertaining and when he is both entertaining and trying to provoke for a larger reason.
    He’s been a war with the media for a long time now. Both the NFL and the media, in bed together with their huge contracts, stand to lose if the Donald has played this right.

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  274. @al gore rhythms
    This isn't a riot. Not even close. It's just the two sets of supporters being kept apart as they leave the stadium after the match. It's a fairly typical scene in an English city on a Saturday afternoon. West Ham and Millwall are London rivals with a lot of history between them both off and on the pitch, so this probably has more of a police presence than most matches. Perhaps the excitable narration of the Brazilian lead you to believe the clip was more dramatic than it actually was?

    Riots were more a thing back in the 70s and 80s. Luton vs Millwall, 1983 IIRC. 8 minutes of soccer and 2 minutes of rioting.

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  275. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    NFL is about black guys beating white guys and conquering white wombs.
    THAT is why whites should tune off.

    Why do they even have the national anthem before games? Do they have them before operas, rock concerts, movies, etc?

    NFL has Kneegroes.

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    In the NFL, the quarterbacks are the real stars of the game. They're mostly white.

    The biggest problem with sports isn't that blacks dominate. The biggest problem is that sports is a distraction from real problems that are afflicting our society.

    The Canadians watch the NHL, which is 90-95% white. Is that really any better?
    , @Bill

    Why do they even have the national anthem before games? Do they have them before operas, rock concerts, movies, etc?
     
    It's a good question. Why are you treating it as a throw-away line? Engage with it. Why, indeed, do they play the national anthem before games?
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  276. @TheJester
    Can anyone really believe the claptrap that diversity is strength anymore?

    There is ample evidence of late that diversity based on racial, cultural, and religious identities turns a previously peaceful country into an assortment of warring "bantustans" based on family, clan, tribe, culture, race, religion, etc.

    In the end days of the Soviet Union, nobody really believed in Communism anymore. People just pretended to believe in the regime’s ideology because if they protested, they knew they’d be fired or socially blackballed. They also assumed that the majority of the population supported Communism, so they went along to get along.

    America is sort of like that. Nobody really believes in the pro-diversity ideology anymore. Americans may pretend that they still have some faith in the national dogma, but it’s nothing more than posturing. Internally, we’re all aware that diversity is no strength, it’s weakness. We just pretend because we want to keep our jobs and not be socially ostracized.

    At some point, the American Regime will collapse. The country is being subject to too many powerful forces (the coming Greek-level debt crisis, military overexhaustion in the Middle East, massive trade deficits, internal dissention among Americans, the falling standard of living, the purging of workers by robots/automation, the acceleration of the opioid epidemic, loss of our technical supremacy to China, the discrediting of our media/political establishment). These various stresses are already so powerful and will continue to increase in magntitude every year. I just can’t see the American Regime withstanding all of this in the long term.

    The election of Trump and Brexit are catalysts that have intensified some of these trends. The American Regime may currently still stand and may still maintain some control, but won’t continue forever. They know that Trump is a threat to their continued rule, as he keeps questioning their legitimacy. Which is why they’re so eager to discredit Trump. Unfortunately for them, no matter what happens to Trump’s career, this process is too fargone. It’s out of their control now.

    Actually, what’s really surprising about the American Regime is that there are quite a few who want policies that’ll exacerbate the situation even further. Jewish Neocons call for more military action in the Middle East (Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq) and war with Iran. Business interests want more foreign laborers. Wall Street thinks it’s overregulated and wants Dodd-Frank repealed. Billionaires think they need more tax cuts (which will exacerbate the coming debt crisis). The Titanic is headed right at the damn iceberg and the passengers continue to party like it’s 99.

    Maybe it’s not too surprising that our rulers are trying to distract our public with inane issues like man-man marriage and crossdressing boys using the girl potty. This strategy of distraction has worked well enough in recent years, mostly because Americans are low-information buffoons who believe whatever teevee tells them. Also, because Americans are so entertainment obssessed that they tend to mentally checkout whenver anything serious is discussed.

    This can’t go on forever though. If, one day, investors stop buying American Treasury bonds, then what? How does the American Regime continue to fund itself?

    Once the American Regime collapses, there will be a domino effect across the rest of the West. Those countries are heavily reliant on our country and also subject to many of the same forces.

    Once this all happens, nobody will be saying “Diversity is our strength” anymore. The American Regime’s ideology will be discredited, much like Communism was discredited after the Soviet Union’s collapse.

    What comes next? I don’t know. We shall live in interesting times. I can tell you that.

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    "Actually, what’s really surprising about the American Regime is that there are quite a few who want policies that’ll exacerbate the situation even further."

    Is it though? If the actors instigating these policies could actually change, the U.S. wouldn't be where it is (and where it is about to be).

    Haters gonna hate as they say. That's just what they do.
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  277. @Anon
    NFL is about black guys beating white guys and conquering white wombs.
    THAT is why whites should tune off.

    Why do they even have the national anthem before games? Do they have them before operas, rock concerts, movies, etc?

    NFL has Kneegroes.

    In the NFL, the quarterbacks are the real stars of the game. They’re mostly white.

    The biggest problem with sports isn’t that blacks dominate. The biggest problem is that sports is a distraction from real problems that are afflicting our society.

    The Canadians watch the NHL, which is 90-95% white. Is that really any better?

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    OK, now we're getting somewhere! 272 comments and we find a guy with a tripple-digit IQ.
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  278. @al gore rhythms
    This isn't a riot. Not even close. It's just the two sets of supporters being kept apart as they leave the stadium after the match. It's a fairly typical scene in an English city on a Saturday afternoon. West Ham and Millwall are London rivals with a lot of history between them both off and on the pitch, so this probably has more of a police presence than most matches. Perhaps the excitable narration of the Brazilian lead you to believe the clip was more dramatic than it actually was?

    Whatever it was, it shows you that the average British man’s energy is channeled into frivolity. Their aggressive drives are channeled into fighting over a bunch of guys who kick a ball for a living.

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    As Neitzsche said, 'in times of peace the warlike man makes war on himself'
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  279. @Anonymous

    To rally the base Trump has made enemies of 32 rich white conservatives.


    What a damn lie.

    NFL owners are almost all liberals or neocons. At least 1/3 Jewish.

    They’re oligarchs. Doesn’t matter if they’re Jewish or gentile. Doesn’t matter if they’re liberal, conservative, or neocon. They’re oligarchs.

    Anyway I don’t understand why American conservatives worship money, Big Business, and billionaires so much. Why is wealth accumulation ability an admirable trait?

    These conservative oligarchs (not liberals) are the people who bring in immigrants to take jobs and act as consumers. If you don’t like immigrants, why the hell do you like the oligarchs?

    Americans are a funny people. They glorify multimillionaire entertainers (sportsballers, actors, musicians) and billionaire oligarchs. Like these are the people we should look to for leadership and inspiration.

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  280. @JohnnyWalker123
    I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it's nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we're fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we're fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn't "support the troops." He/she hardly know where or why we're fighting the never ending "War on Terror." He/she doesn't care about the low pay, injuries (over 1 million injured in Iraq alone), opioid addiction problems (10x the rate of the general population), suicides, divorces, and various other issues that our troops are suffering through.

    He/she wants to be able to watch the game without knowing anything about our country's wars or the struggles of its troops. The National Anthem is just a meaningless gesture to give the false façade of patriotism. It's a marketing technique. Nothing more.

    “…and to the Republic, for which it stands…” is no more. The Republic is gone, replaced by a welfare state-crony autocracy. This has been happening for a long, long time. The old USA as founded ended in 1861. USA Rev 2 ended somewhere around 1916 or so. We were distracted by other matters for a good long and profitable while, but the time to face facts is just about upon us. We have given over our liberty and sovereign rights to an authoritarian ruling class which still uses the democratic-republican (both small , please note) mask. It is all a lie. We are no longer governed but ruled. Will it last???

    And what comes next? Should we pledge allegiance to something not yet honestly defined??

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  281. wren says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Yes, I know that. Tillman worked out of the same firebase I did when he was killed. It is the only time I can remember someone rolling me out of my cot in a literal fashion outside of Benning.

    I took a more than passing interest in Tillman for that reason. Also, what you mentioned hasn't stopped Pat's Run from being the AMERICA'S HERO show every year.

    Wow.

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  282. Trump is right to go hard on this issue, but is it politically prudent? At least he should be sure to combine condemnation of the black sports celebrities with affirmation of positives, i.e., increased employment, for black American citizens.

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  283. Redman says:
    @Prof. Woland
    I think Trump telling Stefan Curry to not bother coming to the White House was a good move because it basically sent a signal to blacks / SJW that he is not concerned with their bellyaching. A lesser person would be held hostage to that type of race baiting but the Donald just dismisses it, shrugs his shoulders, and moves on. It will be much harder to try and pull that stunt in the future. If you want to come to the White House and get recognition, great, and if you don't, who cares, you are just a basketball player.

    Totally agree. And as a basketball fan who hates, hates, hates the NBA, it’s even more enjoyable.

    The league is nothing but the promotion of superstar celebrities (Lebron/Curry) to drum up fans who neither care about nor understand the game.

    Anything that tweaks the primadonna ego of an NBA star is ok by me.

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  284. @Jonathan Mason

    I actually do sort of like playing the National Anthem at sporting events.

    The problem is that for most Americans, it’s nothing more than an empty gesture.

    How many Americans know which countries we’re fighting in? How many Americans could find those countries on a map? How many Americans know why we’re fighting overseas? How many Americans could tell you the difference between a Sunni and Shiite?

    The reality is that the average American doesn’t “support the troops.
     

    Yeah, but there is no particular reason to associate the national anthem with supporting troops, that is the problem. I personally have no desire to see US troops in harm's way, but I think the best way to support them is to keep them out of unnecessary foreign wars.

    Playing the national anthem, Olympic anthem, state anthem, club anthem or whatever before a sports event is just a useful device to focus minds on the fact that the moment has come for "mortal combat" to begin, and it probably does help to build excitement, and the copyright for the music is in the public domain, but it is not really necessary. A football game is not a governmental event or ceremony or a state funeral, it is just a game, lest we forget.

    If players want to kneel at the national anthem, that is still a show of respect. It is not as if they are jogging, throwing practice balls, or chewing gum.

    One reason speakers or events say the pledge of allegiance before starting is because if forces people to shut up an pay attention. That can be particularly hard if people are milling around talking or have not taken their seats yet. So if you are the first speaker or you have a schedule to keep you get everybody to snap to attention and begin the show.

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  285. gda says:
    @San Fernando Curt
    I've soured on him over the past few weeks. I would much rather him make a stand - and provoke now-routine, very tiresome outrage - on something substantive. I don't care if a bunch of overpaid whinies kneel at NFL games. That kind of infantile acting out is so old now it looks nothing but stupid. I hope these half-wits don't actually believe our media rabbis who say that white people are intimidated and cowed by these "field-hand torching the plantation" tactics. If they do, they're more retarded than I thought.

    I'm more concerned with him being pushed to get us involved in more wars, amnesty illegal aliens, support Swampers like strange and humiliate one of the best attorney generals this country has had in awhile. The swamp is twisting him around its little finger and he's making fools of everyone who truly supported him.

    The fight to prevent or roll back the takeover by the left of virtually all “culture ” and entertainment isn’t substantive enough for you?

    Perhaps you need to refocus, because you just don’t appear to get it.

    Trump is a disrupter, and one thing he promised to disrupt from Day 1 was the PC culture, and the identity politics that has infected the American culture and politicized EVERYTHING.

    The progressive coastal elites, the pampered and overpaid entertainers spouting their ignorance and propaganda, they don’t get it either. ESPN doesn’t get it, and they’re imploding.

    Go read Roger Simon. He GETS it.

    https://pjmedia.com/rogerls…

    You know what? 70+% of the American public -black, brown, white or asian GET IT too.

    The battle is joined and you’re outnumbered if you promulgate or follow a false religion, which most of the reasonably sane and balanced public reject utterly.

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  286. David says:
    @gregor
    Right. It will likely end up being complementary.

    Trump is adept at setting this kind of bait for the left. He knows they will react hysterically to stuff like the tranny ban or this NFL thing because they just can't help themselves. Popular opinion will be with Trump on most of these cultural issues. BLM is a thoroughly toxic movement and it would be great to have Dems promoting it ahead of the midterms.

    As for the immigration fight, I think putting the hostility that blacks have for America on display for the whole country can only help. Blacks whose heritage goes back hundreds of years in America still hate the country. It undermines the myth of race neutral immigration, that we can bring in anyone from anywhere and turn them all into Americans in any meaningful sense. Trump can't make those arguments explicitly, but with BLM and DACA protestors shouting in Spanish, etc., he won't need to.

    Let’s stop saying stuff like this: “it would be great to have Dems promoting [something crappy] ahead of the midterm,” because it wouldn’t. We want our opposition to be great so our leaders have to be great to win.

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    Make the DNC great again? That's some admirable optimism, but I don't see that happening given that party's current constituencies.
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  287. gda says:
    @AM

    At least Breitbart keeps pounding him:

    No IRS prosecutions.

    No tarriffs on China.

    Ramping the debt.

    100,000 new Dreamers signed up by Trump over the summer.

    TRUMP IS THE SWAMP.
     

    If you can't understand that things that are worthwhile take him, life is gonna suck. Also, not seeking out any knowledge makes difficult to understand what he has already accomplished and what he might accomplish if he throws the Dems the DACA bone.

    I dumped Breitbart a while ago. Between their click bait headlines and Ann Coulter's panic attacks, I'm tired of seeing nominal adults thinking in Twitter based time cycles and strategies, in a world where Rome is still not built in a day.

    “If you can’t understand that things that are worthwhile take him”

    I think you meant to say “things that are worthwhile take TIME”, though I could be mistaken

    “I’m tired of seeing nominal adults thinking in Twitter based time cycles and strategies, in a world where Rome is still not built in a day.”

    Spot on.

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  288. @anonguy
    The CTE thing is unbelievable:

    "On July 25, 2017, the Journal of the American Medical Association released an updated study reporting that out of 111 brains of deceased former NFL players studied, 110 (99%) had CTE.[63] This also led to players retiring very early in their career.."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

    Unbelievable in what sense?

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    Unbelievable in what sense?
     
    How bad it is. Football will become illegal at some point, count on it.
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  289. @Seth Largo
    While the left took over the culture, the right was preoccupied with Rovian psephology and precinct-counting. Look how much good that did!

    Republicans control the vast majority of state/federal political offices in the country, and have controlled them for a while. Outside CA and NY, state-level politics trend rightward.

    We now read that a team of 8-year-old players took a knee for the national anthem

    Which they wouldn't be doing if Trump had kept his mouth shut. Kaepernick et al. were last season's news. Now the Resistance has a whole new Schelling point.

    The only way Trump's calling out the NFL makes good strategic sense is if it's designed to accelerate what you or he think is an inevitable civil war between Red and Blue tribes. And that's fine. I can understand that logic. But I don't think that's what you're saying, and I don't believe for a second that's the Trumpian long game.

    The only way Trump’s calling out the NFL makes good strategic sense is if it’s designed to accelerate what you or he think is an inevitable civil war between Red and Blue tribes. And that’s fine. I can understand that logic. But I don’t think that’s what you’re saying, and I don’t believe for a second that’s the Trumpian long game.

    No, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that the left, having established control over most of our cultural institutions – academia, journalism, literature and the arts, Hollywood – is now in the process of taking over one of the last that has remained outside it, namely the spectator sports.

    You apparently prefer to allow them to do so. Trump is at least not giving up. What if, twenty or thirty or forty years ago, the right had not given up on the other cultural institutions? What if, particularly, the right had succeeded in attacking them economically? Would they be as thoroughly in the thrall of Kulturbolschewismus as they are today?

    We are witnessing a decline in attendance at NFL games, a fall in television viewership, and apparently even some effect in advertising. Hollywood, likewise, has just had one of the worst box-office seasons in recent history, but for the movies, the lesson that a business cannot treat half of its potential customers with contempt has come far too late. Perhaps for professional sports, the bitter medicine will be administered in time.

    Republican control of political offices is likely to be evanescent. What good has it done? The oft-proclaimed Republican opposition to Obamacare has proven to be empty posturing, and the Chamber of Commerce wing of the party is opposing immigration control with as much vigor as the Democrats do. If you think that the RINO herd is going to inspire loyalty among the Republican base, you’re heading for a rude awakening.

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    What I’m saying is that the left, having established control over most of our cultural institutions – academia, journalism, literature and the arts, Hollywood – is now in the process of taking over one of the last that has remained outside it, namely the spectator sports.
     
    The claim that spectator sports are outside the left is delusional. The claim that whining on twitter or, in a previous time, in conservative magazines is a good way to "retake the culture" is similarly delusional.

    If you want to retake the culture, this requires replacing their guys with your guys. The left did this via entryism. Since they 1) aren't stupid, and 2) know all about entryism, entryism isn't the way your guys are going to beat them.
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  290. Hibernian says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    If people with “right-wing” (anything traditionalist, nativist, nationalist or genuinely Christian) political opinions are going to be routinely hounded out of jobs, discriminated against and openly threatened for expressing them then hell yes, it should happen to as many lefty idiots as possible whenever the opportunity arises.
     
    This is exactly the attitude, shared I think by most alts, that makes your claims to be for free speech a fraud.

    Freedom of speech is a right of the people vis a vis the government, not each other.

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  291. Redman says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Let's see if it works now.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/911716418474868739

    You find this funny? Sad.

    Maher is the definition of stale comedy. Here in particular.

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    See my replies to that.
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  292. @Mark Caplan
    Trump made a big mistake: He turned the kneeling protests from being anti-American to being anti-Trump.

    I know some people here endorse the “the worse, the better” philosophy, but last week four players in the whole league knelt during the anthem, and today it seems to be several dozen, maybe even over one hundred. (I have not heard an exact figure yet, and we still have the Sunday Night and Monday Night games to go.) I don’t think that can be good for the country.

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    Sure, it can. Professional sports (particularly football) are an addiction, an utter distraction for White men to not notice what the politicians are doing to us. Bad behavior on the part of these football "heroes" can only serve to make White men disgusted with football. Those freed-up neurons previously being exercised paying attention to football rankings, can now be more productively employed in yelling hell NO to globalists.
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  293. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “Upside for the NFL…? Better ratings than ever. ”

    No likely. The ratings decline has continued from last year into this year, invalidating all the claims that it was about the election. The trend will continue.

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  294. Redman says:
    @Ed
    Maybe it's just my dept & office but I've actually noticed the opposite. A declining interest in the NFL. There are five men in our department and 2 are immigrants. They have no interest in football. Of us 3 Americans, I'm the only one that watches the NFL regularly. The other two talk hockey, soccer and MLB.

    Work in a mid-sized NY office. About 50 employees. The only ones who talk/watch NFL in the lunchroom are black/Hispanic men in the mailroom.

    Baseball still seems to have more white appeal.

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  295. JSM says:
    @James Kabala
    I know some people here endorse the "the worse, the better" philosophy, but last week four players in the whole league knelt during the anthem, and today it seems to be several dozen, maybe even over one hundred. (I have not heard an exact figure yet, and we still have the Sunday Night and Monday Night games to go.) I don't think that can be good for the country.

    Sure, it can. Professional sports (particularly football) are an addiction, an utter distraction for White men to not notice what the politicians are doing to us. Bad behavior on the part of these football “heroes” can only serve to make White men disgusted with football. Those freed-up neurons previously being exercised paying attention to football rankings, can now be more productively employed in yelling hell NO to globalists.

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  296. anonguy says:

    Ok, I’ll make a prediction here after doing my CTE homework.

    Within 5 years, at least 90% of public education HS football programs will be cancelled at least ostensibly because of CTE concerns, esp. liability although it will be dressed up as “for the children”

    Anyhow, NFL is going down and is imploding fast. Trump is just going to try to take a little credit for what’s happening anyhow.

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    I think you are correct, and if I owned an NFL team I would sell it tomorrow.
    , @Marty T
    Bingo. It's dying anyway. Trump just added another cut and will now take some credit.
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  297. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I wonder if he just picks these fights because he knows the media has limited bandwidth and he wants, for whatever reason, to take the spotlight off something else. If we are talking about this, we aren’t talking about the budget, the United Nations speech, the Obamacare repeal effort, Russia etc.

    Also, I think it is a good fight for him. The respectable establishment will bash him for… standing up for the National Anthem? It’s a way to punch through to media consumers to remind them how wacked out and leftist the media has become. The more uniform the condemnation, the more Trump becomes the spokesman for the silent (cowed) majority.

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  298. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Redman
    It's clear you haven't been to Europe lately. Because this trait you describe is hardly limited to Americans. The Euro crowd is even more into their futbal than we are.

    The steam outlet effect of sports is important. If it didn't exist, we'd have civil wars every 5 years at least. You can bet on it.

    The best way for that to work would be to have some explicitly SJW teams where everyone kneels and some traditional ones.

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  299. Trump is right on this one – if you don’t like the kneeling crap, tune out. That’s all. Let them kneel and whine and moralize all they want. We don’t have to take it.

    One can vote with more than one’s ballot. One can vote with one’s feet, time, wallet, conversation, and attention.

    If you don’t like the kneeling crap, tune out.

    Trump’s foreign and domestic policies have not been successful; but his savage rampage on the culture wars front has been glorious.

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  300. @Jonathan Mason
    Having now listened to the audio of Trump's remarks on the NFL, it does seem ever more likely than ever that he is suffering from the onset of dementia. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, the issue is not one that a mentally competent President should be addressing.

    Wtf are u talking about? Trump says the things most normal Americans are thinking but don’t have his platform.

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  301. Claude says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    In the end days of the Soviet Union, nobody really believed in Communism anymore. People just pretended to believe in the regime's ideology because if they protested, they knew they'd be fired or socially blackballed. They also assumed that the majority of the population supported Communism, so they went along to get along.

    America is sort of like that. Nobody really believes in the pro-diversity ideology anymore. Americans may pretend that they still have some faith in the national dogma, but it's nothing more than posturing. Internally, we're all aware that diversity is no strength, it's weakness. We just pretend because we want to keep our jobs and not be socially ostracized.

    At some point, the American Regime will collapse. The country is being subject to too many powerful forces (the coming Greek-level debt crisis, military overexhaustion in the Middle East, massive trade deficits, internal dissention among Americans, the falling standard of living, the purging of workers by robots/automation, the acceleration of the opioid epidemic, loss of our technical supremacy to China, the discrediting of our media/political establishment). These various stresses are already so powerful and will continue to increase in magntitude every year. I just can't see the American Regime withstanding all of this in the long term.

    The election of Trump and Brexit are catalysts that have intensified some of these trends. The American Regime may currently still stand and may still maintain some control, but won't continue forever. They know that Trump is a threat to their continued rule, as he keeps questioning their legitimacy. Which is why they're so eager to discredit Trump. Unfortunately for them, no matter what happens to Trump's career, this process is too fargone. It's out of their control now.

    Actually, what's really surprising about the American Regime is that there are quite a few who want policies that'll exacerbate the situation even further. Jewish Neocons call for more military action in the Middle East (Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq) and war with Iran. Business interests want more foreign laborers. Wall Street thinks it's overregulated and wants Dodd-Frank repealed. Billionaires think they need more tax cuts (which will exacerbate the coming debt crisis). The Titanic is headed right at the damn iceberg and the passengers continue to party like it's 99.

    Maybe it's not too surprising that our rulers are trying to distract our public with inane issues like man-man marriage and crossdressing boys using the girl potty. This strategy of distraction has worked well enough in recent years, mostly because Americans are low-information buffoons who believe whatever teevee tells them. Also, because Americans are so entertainment obssessed that they tend to mentally checkout whenver anything serious is discussed.

    This can't go on forever though. If, one day, investors stop buying American Treasury bonds, then what? How does the American Regime continue to fund itself?

    Once the American Regime collapses, there will be a domino effect across the rest of the West. Those countries are heavily reliant on our country and also subject to many of the same forces.

    Once this all happens, nobody will be saying "Diversity is our strength" anymore. The American Regime's ideology will be discredited, much like Communism was discredited after the Soviet Union's collapse.

    What comes next? I don't know. We shall live in interesting times. I can tell you that.

    “Actually, what’s really surprising about the American Regime is that there are quite a few who want policies that’ll exacerbate the situation even further.”

    Is it though? If the actors instigating these policies could actually change, the U.S. wouldn’t be where it is (and where it is about to be).

    Haters gonna hate as they say. That’s just what they do.

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  302. anonguy says:
    @Opinionator
    Unbelievable in what sense?

    Unbelievable in what sense?

    How bad it is. Football will become illegal at some point, count on it.

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    It's not a random sample friend.
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  303. Hibernian says:
    @Anon
    In the 1800s, one thing foreigners noted about American men, even those without education, is that they were all willing to talk about politics, and all seemed pretty well informed about the issues of the day. It was these ordinary citizens, badly educated by today's standards, who created our country. They did not talk about sports. There wasn't any sort of organized sports as we know it in the 1800s. Men in that era got a lot more physical exercise, and the whole society was healthier mentally as well. Our forbearers were a lot less neurotic. They would not have gotten into tizzies about microaggressions and trannies having female bathroom access.

    As for suspend or fire today's players, what would be the result? Black players would disappear, and the whites on the 2nd and 3rd string would have to play in their places. The teams would abruptly whiten. The most well-known players, now white, would be a lot less likely to hit the tabloids for their criminality and sociopathy. That's a benefit, I'd say.

    As for injuries? How much brain damage was there back in the era in which the teams were all white? Frankly, you're less likely to be injured if the players charging into you weigh an average of 250 pounds instead of 350 pounds. Smaller players would be safer, not the bloated, steroids-addled monsters we see being bred today like some weird, gene-damaged dog breed.

    I think a fair number of black players were, quite rationally, worried about losing their jobs or at least salary cuts due to dwindling fan support. They resisted the protest, at least at first. There was a snowball effect and also, increasingly, GMs, coaches, the Commish, and white players supported, to a greater or lesser extent, the protests, until you had the large number of protest participants this weekend.

    Go, Pack, go!

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  304. A1 says:

    He said he would unite the country. He is doing it starting with the NFL. So he has a chance here to capitalize on it. Invite NFL players to form a White House Working Group to address equality and urban violence, both police and gang violence. They have knelt down and said they are patriotic. He could ask them to now step up.

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  305. TWS says:
    @Bubba
    It will be interesting tomorrow to see how many of the crybaby-millionaires "protest" after President Trump's comments. They should all be grateful to have an NFL contract because most of them would be drug dealers, in jail or dead. The NFL has been caving to the SJW's for years (thanks to the spineless Roger Goodell) and it will soon be on par with the lesbian basketball league in popularity.

    Perfect.

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    Thanks man!
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    "truly"

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  307. eah says:
    @eah
    https://s26.postimg.org/hqmtuygrt/when-they-realize-obama-legacy-is-trump.jpg

    “truly”

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    , @Hibernian
    Maybe white people are siding with Asianess.
    ,