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Encouragingly, the Trump Administration missed a deadline to approve two Obama Administration initiatives to alter the race and ethnicity categories on the 2020 Census, including carving a wholly new Middle Eastern & North African racial group out of the White category.

I’ve been asking questions about how the MENA category would work for several years.

For example, would Armenians no longer be white?

Would Jews born in Israel no longer be white?

What about Ashkenazi Jews? Would they no longer be white?

What about Israeli Ashkenazis such as Google Guy Sergey Brin? Is he white or MENA?

I’ve never found any official answers to these questions.

Similarly, what will be the effect on affirmative action? Will Israelis, Armenians, Lebanese, etc. be eligible for set-asides and quotas? Keep in mind that there is both active affirmative action, the way Indian and Chinese immigrants have legislation granting them cheap Minority Development Loans and government contracting set-asides (which is why South Asians successfully demand to stop being white in 1982 and get lumped in with East Asians).

But there are also defensive quotas quietly imposed by employers to avoid being sued for disproportionate representation. A concept that very few white people grasp is that to sue for disparate impact you need a count of how many people in your group there are. Right now, Middle Easterners are just lumped in with whites in general so the government doesn’t have a count of how many of them there are to use in adverse impact bias lawsuits.

Would it be a good for the American people to create a MENA category (and do the Hispanic change) that the Obama Administration proposed.

I don’t know.

I do know that most of the groups favoring these changes do not have the American people’s best interests at heart but are ethnic grabbers, so I doubt if either Census change is a good idea. But it’s hard to project.

The simplest thing for the Trump Administration to do for these categories on the 2020 Census is not to do anything. Save the money and time and keep the results so they can be easily matched up with the 2010 Census. If somebody can come up with good justifications for these changes, implement them in 2030. But until somebody can answer simple questions, it’s best to assume they are scams.

From NPR:

Trump Administration Delays Decision On Race, Ethnicity Data For Census

December 2, 20178:15 AM ET
Hansi Lo Wang

A major decision on the way the U.S. government collects information about race and ethnicity through the census and other surveys was expected to be announced this week by the Trump administration.

But the White House’s Office of Management and Budget, which sets standards for this type of data for all federal agencies, was silent on Friday, which OMB had said was the deadline for an announcement.

A spokesperson for OMB could not provide any information about the delay.

Under consideration by the White House are proposals introduced during the Obama administration that would fundamentally change how the government counts the Latino population. Another proposal would create a new checkbox on census forms and other federal surveys for people with roots in the Middle East or North Africa. If approved, the policy changes could have significant implications on the upcoming 2020 census, as well as legislative redistricting, civil rights laws and health statistics.

… First issued as a White House Office of Management and Budget directive in 1977, the federal standards on race and ethnicity data largely have stayed the same for the past two decades. The last major revisions were announced in 1997, when the Clinton administration decided to allow recipients of the census and other federal surveys to check boxes for more than one race.

… An announcement by early spring would help the Census Bureau prepare its report to Congress on the final wording of the 2020 census questions. That report is due by the end of March 2018….

“The later the decision is released, the more uncertainty continues as far as how the census is going to proceed with its format for collection of race and ethnicity data for 2020,” says Arturo Vargas, executive director of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Educational Fund, which supports the proposals to change the standards.

What do you think the odds are that the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Educational Fund has the best interests of the American people at heart?

“Given all the moving pieces and all the uncertainty about funding and leadership [at the Census Bureau], it doesn’t help when there’s uncertainty with this major part of data collection.”

The most certainty would come from not making any changes.

The White House could decide to reject the proposals and keep the status quo — or propose different changes to the standards for race and ethnicity data. But Cary Coglianese, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School who directs the Penn Program on Regulation, says any decision would be limited by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

“To the extent that an administration were to show racial animus and to make decisions about the statistical classification or the questions on surveys that relate to race in a manner that was motivated by racial animus, that would be clearly illegal and unconstitutional,” Coglianese says.

 
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  1. Discard says:

    We need a MENA category to make it easier to deport them.

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    • Replies: @George
    Good point. The census worked well for interning Japanese during ww2.

    I personally wonder what happens when you group a bunch of people that traditionally war with each other like Jew, Sunni, Shia, Sufi, and assorted others? The multi cult thinks it will be like Hispanics that more or less tolerate each other in exchange for some affirmative action goodies. But S American nations have not warred with each other recently. It unknown what happens when you aggregate Shia and Takfiris who think Shia should be killed on mass into one group. Kurds + Turks? Jews+Arabs?

    I sort of like the idea of creating all these affirmative action groups because it will dilute the amount of advantage any one group can have. There should also be a group, Generic American.

    New thinking on race by a Black writers:

    The Panthers can't save us now
    https://catalyst-journal.com/vol1/no1/panthers-cant-save-us-cedric-johnson

    Are US Blacks An Internal Colony? Or Is This Analysis By Analogy?
    https://blackagendareport.com/are-us-blacks-internal-colony-or-just-analysis-analogy
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  2. IHTG says:

    What about Israeli Ashkenazis such as Google Guy Sergey Brin?

    ? You mean Russian?

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  3. One of the interesting features of UK government over the last 60 years is that while governments (none more than the May administration) bang on about the terrible dangers of anti-semitism, and much of the early race relations legislation was aimed at British Nazis like Colin Jordan, yet none of the many statistics collected by the state (eg Ms May’s latest enquiry into ethnicity and achievement) treat Jewish people as a separate category – they fall in the “white” bucket.

    This is I’m sure deliberate, probably several reasons

    Reporting Jewish achievement and prosperity rather damages the thesis that ethnic underperformance is all down to evil white racists – after all, what makes them so immune to the effects of Brit racism?

    Reporting Jewish achievement and prosperity might (in the eyes of some people) encourage people with pitchforks and torches – I remember a contributor at the lefty Harry’s Place site talking about “the anti-Semitic trope” that Jews were wealthier than average.

    Lumping Jewish achievement and prosperity into the “white” bucket raises the white stats relative to other groups, so their racism-derived relative overperformance is even starker.

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  4. Yan Shen says:

    As I’ve long been saying, Americans love obsessing over race! In particular, black, white and Hispanic Americans love obsessing over race and over each other, all the while pretending that uh Asian Americans basically don’t exist. Hence any discussion of race in this country invariably tends to be focused on the usual black versus white talking points, with Hispanics being mentioned alongside blacks from time to time. Boring East Asians though, what with their focus on quantitative STEM fields, basically don’t exist in our national consciousness.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You're a broken record. Our media love talking about race, and seem to want to get everyone else talking about it. No one I knew for most of my life obsessed over race.
    , @anonymous
    Then why is it that so many of the "race-obsessed" articles that are published in the msm today are authored by people with Chinese or Indian (or Jewish) names?
    , @Bragadocious
    I leave Asian obsessions over race to Asians. Did you know Korean golfers sport umbrellas in sunny weather so their skin retains its pleasing pallor, lest they be confused with (agh!) Vietnamese?
    , @TWS
    You lying troll. Orientals get their own set asides. So much so that Indians asked to be lumped in with you. Whole schools of thought, philosophy, and entertainment follow the orient. We've fought two major wars in the region in the last fifty years.

    But sure, you're ignored.
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  5. Whatever happened to race doesn’t exist? Social construct, blah blah blah.

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    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    Given its liberal premises, left-liberalism is actually more logical than right-wing liberalism.

    Left liberal thinking: all people are equal, yet different racial groups experience different social outcomes, hence workable measures should be taken to reduce inequality between groups.

    Right-liberal (aka cuckservative) thinking: all people are equal, yet nothing should be done to reduce solvable inequality between groups (unconvincingly mumble about different people having bad work ethics etc).

    No wonder the right was been on the retreat for the past 50 years.
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  6. I’m inclined to favor the changes–European-origin “white” people ought to be made aware as soon as possible how small (and shrinking) a portion of the United States population they are. If there are “minority” set asides for MENAs, so much the better. European-origin people will have to shaken out of their lethargy and realize that they must organize and agitate for their own racial interests if they are to survive.

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  7. Go to Wikipedia and look at Race (human categorization) to see stuff like this right off the bat:

    Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially constructed, that is, race is not intrinsic to human beings but rather an identity created to establish meaning in a social context.[22] Such racial identities reflect the cultural attitudes of imperial powers dominant during the age of European colonial expansion.

    Doesn’t that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy? Do any of you people who routinely straddle this fence want to be part of our club? (Will you ever have to actually make a choice?)

    Okay, so if it is a “social construct” left over from “European colonial expansion,” then why do we even ask about it in our census? Why don’t we then ask about “constructs” that set special groups apart from the group they participate in when it is to their advantage and exclude themselves from when it is to their advantage to be different?

    Oh, we know. We do that so we can give special favors to everyone who wants to enjoy the world our group built while simultaneously accusing us of being evil world-stealers. (Any time a White American tries to argue with these people, they inevitably throw in how our group — to which they will at that moment pretend not to belong — “stole America from the Indians.”)

    Pretty tough to decide whether or not to be in the White category, isn’t it?

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    • Replies: @clyde
    All true! We are being colonized by immigrants who use their racial and ethic preferences (affirmative action , SBA minority loans) to exploit the natives (me, you, our forefathers etc) who built America and fought our wars. Really it should be the other way around where immigrants and their offspring are the ones in kiss arse mode and the ones who eat sh** until they are Americanized enough. Instead all we hear is that America is a nation of immigrants and that they should be elevated above us.

    In other news, kiss Republican Florida goodbye w 500,000 Puerto Rican immigrants moving there. Yes I know PRs are not really immigrants but they will vote as Democrat as any Dominican or Jamaican.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Wikipedia is utterly useless as a source for anything politically contentious - which covers an awful lot these days. A lot of their stuff should come with a warning to that effect.

    It's all right for engineering, astronomy and geology though.
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  8. Yak-15 says:

    If the census were re-arranged to place Jews in another category, it would seriously set back the tribe. It would highlight their disproportionate influence in academia, the media, business, etc.

    If it came out tomorrow that 25 pct of Harvard students (or whatever the exact, large number is), the university would be forced to respond by restricting the number of Jews entering Harvard (just as they have with Asians).

    Keeping the obfuscation is good for Jews.

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    If it came out tomorrow that 25 pct of Harvard students (or whatever the exact, large number is), the university would be forced to respond by restricting the number of Jews entering Harvard (just as they have with Asians).
     
    And assuming that the other MENA folk were lumped in with the Jews, then there could be an overall reduction in the MENA folk at Harvard.
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  9. I am going to offer a somewhat different solution. Remove the ethnicity/racial categories from the census. The categories should be Natural Born Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, Resident Alien, and Illegal Alien. Then revise Affirmative Action policies to favor Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens.

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    I am going to offer a somewhat different solution. Remove the ethnicity/racial categories from the census. The categories should be Natural Born Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, Resident Alien, and Illegal Alien. Then revise Affirmative Action policies to favor Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens.
     
    Great idea for reclassification. For those who just got off the banana boat yesterday or 10, 25 years ago. Those who do not have a heritage of building America and fighting in our wars are put in the back seat to wait their turn. Legal or illegal, they are fortunate to be in a pre-built advanced nation.
    , @Orwellian State
    The way things are going, the libtards who prepare these census will be asking about our sexual orientation and gender identity long before they ask about our citizenship status.
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  10. JSM says:

    (Any time a White American tries to argue with these people, they inevitably throw in how our group — to which they will at that moment pretend not to belong — “stole America from the Indians.”)

    The easy comeback to that one, is, “Then YOU better get out of America. Because you being here, knowing it was stolen, as you say, means YOU are guilty of knowingly receiving stolen goods, which makes you as bad or worse than the initial theft.”

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  11. While many of these minority “advocacy groups” don’t have the best interests of Americans at heart, it would be insightful to get a clearer picture of the composition of the US population. Canada has had an Arab/West Asian category since the 1996 census, it makes it clear that someone who is say, Arab and Polish, would not be counted as a visible minority:

    In contrast, in accordance with employment equity definitions, persons who reported ‘Latin American’ and ‘White,’ ‘Arab’ and ‘White,’ or ‘West Asian’ and ‘White’ have been excluded from the visible minority population. Likewise, persons who reported ‘Latin American,’ ‘Arab’ or ‘West Asian’ and who provided a European write-in response such as ‘French’ have been excluded from the visible minority population as well.

    http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/ref/guides/99-010-x/99-010-x2011009-eng.cfm

    Therefore, in Canada for statistical purposes, Ashkenazi Jews would not be considered visible minorities. About 36 percent of people of Lebanese background were not considered visible minorities, as they selected they were both Arab and White:

    http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2013/05/visible-minorities-distinctly-canadian.html

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  12. So I keep ticking “Black or African American” then.

    You don’t have to be black or African, as merely identifying with them is enough in today’s world (the Dolezal rule). The next question is, when do we get to select from 59 gender choices?

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  13. Too bad he didn’t take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Typically Republican: slow down the left’s march through the institutions, without daring to actually reverse it.

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    Excellent point.
    , @syonredux

    Too bad he didn’t take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.
     
    Indeed. I would love to see Latinx Mestizos being forced to choose from the following categories: White, Black, East Asian, and Amerind....
    , @Thomm

    Too bad he didn’t take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.
     
    Fully agree.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    I've always said that under the way that "Latino" is defined, a Geordie, a Jamaican, a Nigerian, an Alabama redneck, and a Chinese Australian would be "Anglos".
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  14. Since people are now allowed to self-identify, can we dismantle the whole scaffold this rest upon by self-identifying using a dartboard?

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  15. phil says:

    The long-run strategy is to pit ALL people who are not ethnically European against the people who are. When the going gets hot, the mass executions will begin.

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  16. I see your concerns, but as is, American concepts of race obsufucate more than they provide meaningful data about social, economic, and health outcomes. Perhaps it’s best to leave the race categories alone, and add questions about ethnicity and national origin. Somewhat more precise demographical information might be parsed out between those three, plus religion.

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  17. Hubbub says:

    Does it really matter what categories – race, ethnicity, etc – are on the census form? I thought I can be any race or ethnicity I want to be – according to the facile logic of today’s government: I am what I want to be, therefore, I am. I am whatever serves my best interest at the time.

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  18. Forbes says:

    “To the extent that an administration were to show racial animus and to make decisions about the statistical classification or the questions on surveys that relate to race in a manner that was motivated by racial animus, that would be clearly illegal and unconstitutional,” Coglianese says.

    Isn’t this just Who? Whom?

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  19. George says:
    @Discard
    We need a MENA category to make it easier to deport them.

    Good point. The census worked well for interning Japanese during ww2.

    I personally wonder what happens when you group a bunch of people that traditionally war with each other like Jew, Sunni, Shia, Sufi, and assorted others? The multi cult thinks it will be like Hispanics that more or less tolerate each other in exchange for some affirmative action goodies. But S American nations have not warred with each other recently. It unknown what happens when you aggregate Shia and Takfiris who think Shia should be killed on mass into one group. Kurds + Turks? Jews+Arabs?

    I sort of like the idea of creating all these affirmative action groups because it will dilute the amount of advantage any one group can have. There should also be a group, Generic American.

    New thinking on race by a Black writers:

    The Panthers can’t save us now

    https://catalyst-journal.com/vol1/no1/panthers-cant-save-us-cedric-johnson

    Are US Blacks An Internal Colony? Or Is This Analysis By Analogy?

    https://blackagendareport.com/are-us-blacks-internal-colony-or-just-analysis-analogy

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    • Replies: @Anonymous IV
    That Catalyst article is quite interesting (and quite long!). In short, it is calling for a more class-based approach rather than a black-ethnic one. The author talks about how there are Latinos and whites in bad parts of town who also get caught up in the "hyper-incarceration" of our current police state.
    I doubt that this author's plea to move away from the race-based language will be heeded. Academia, journalism, Hollywood, etc. have all been hypnotized by "hands up, don't shoot."

    The author keeps talking about "late capitalism" (apparently he wrote a book with this in the title, too), so I assume this is the Marxist idea that capitalism is tottering and going to be replaced?

    Also, read slowly and carefully the final sentence of the essay:

    "There can be no end to hyper-incarceration, the policing crisis, and the underlying inequality without the difficult work of taking power and imposing a more democratic and humane order. "

    Note: taking power, and then imposing this wonderful new order.
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  20. I always check the Other box and then write in American.

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  21. Steve Sailer is wise to be cautious about what might be the best policy. There is a massive problem in determining best public policy for any issue connected to human races or ethnic groups. The mainstream narrative requires so much self-deception and out-right falsity, and deliberate ignorance of evidence, that public policy discussions are not about the “second-best” but about the “n-th best”. All the self-deception and deliberate ignorance in public debates on race/ethnicity makes it impossible to have a rational decision-making process.

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  22. Totally Off Topic: Robert S. Griffin has posted an article on the Unz Review that is critical of “Moneyball” and sabremetrics, http://www.unz.com/article/moneybull-an-inquiry-into-media-manipulation/#comment-2104266. IIRC, Steve Sailer is a fan of both. A debate would be interesting.

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  23. WATCH: I’m Not White — I’m Jewish.

    December 4, 2017

    This slam poem was written in order to give a voice to this issue of being racially advantaged, but ethnically disadvantaged with the threat of persecution no matter what year it is. Now more than ever, it is crucial that we do not lose the ability to look back and see where we came from in the fight against intolerance.

    Read more: https://forward.com/scribe/388791/im-not-white-im-jewish/

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    • Replies: @syonredux
    I would love to see her say that to a crowd of slum-dwelling Blacks....
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  24. Olorin says:

    But until somebody can answer simple questions, it’s best to assume they are scams.

    Scams, host?

    Or political and economic tools?

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  25. clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Go to Wikipedia and look at Race (human categorization) to see stuff like this right off the bat:

    Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially constructed, that is, race is not intrinsic to human beings but rather an identity created to establish meaning in a social context.[22] Such racial identities reflect the cultural attitudes of imperial powers dominant during the age of European colonial expansion.
     
    Doesn't that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy? Do any of you people who routinely straddle this fence want to be part of our club? (Will you ever have to actually make a choice?)

    Okay, so if it is a "social construct" left over from "European colonial expansion," then why do we even ask about it in our census? Why don't we then ask about "constructs" that set special groups apart from the group they participate in when it is to their advantage and exclude themselves from when it is to their advantage to be different?

    Oh, we know. We do that so we can give special favors to everyone who wants to enjoy the world our group built while simultaneously accusing us of being evil world-stealers. (Any time a White American tries to argue with these people, they inevitably throw in how our group -- to which they will at that moment pretend not to belong -- "stole America from the Indians.")

    Pretty tough to decide whether or not to be in the White category, isn't it?

    All true! We are being colonized by immigrants who use their racial and ethic preferences (affirmative action , SBA minority loans) to exploit the natives (me, you, our forefathers etc) who built America and fought our wars. Really it should be the other way around where immigrants and their offspring are the ones in kiss arse mode and the ones who eat sh** until they are Americanized enough. Instead all we hear is that America is a nation of immigrants and that they should be elevated above us.

    In other news, kiss Republican Florida goodbye w 500,000 Puerto Rican immigrants moving there. Yes I know PRs are not really immigrants but they will vote as Democrat as any Dominican or Jamaican.

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  26. eah says:
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    I lived in northern Virginia from 1985 until 2004, although not in the area pictured. That satellite image is truly depressing: the essence of urban sprawl.
    , @eah
    It's the same everywhere.

    https://twitter.com/AlfredAlbion/status/936987517127221251
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  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    Go to Wikipedia and look at Race (human categorization) to see stuff like this right off the bat:

    Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially constructed, that is, race is not intrinsic to human beings but rather an identity created to establish meaning in a social context.[22] Such racial identities reflect the cultural attitudes of imperial powers dominant during the age of European colonial expansion.
     
    Doesn't that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy? Do any of you people who routinely straddle this fence want to be part of our club? (Will you ever have to actually make a choice?)

    Okay, so if it is a "social construct" left over from "European colonial expansion," then why do we even ask about it in our census? Why don't we then ask about "constructs" that set special groups apart from the group they participate in when it is to their advantage and exclude themselves from when it is to their advantage to be different?

    Oh, we know. We do that so we can give special favors to everyone who wants to enjoy the world our group built while simultaneously accusing us of being evil world-stealers. (Any time a White American tries to argue with these people, they inevitably throw in how our group -- to which they will at that moment pretend not to belong -- "stole America from the Indians.")

    Pretty tough to decide whether or not to be in the White category, isn't it?

    Wikipedia is utterly useless as a source for anything politically contentious – which covers an awful lot these days. A lot of their stuff should come with a warning to that effect.

    It’s all right for engineering, astronomy and geology though.

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    Use Infogalactic instead of Wikipedia.
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  28. Thomm says:

    the way Indian and Chinese immigrants have legislation granting them cheap Minority Development Loans and government contracting set-asides (

    which is why South Asians successfully demand to stop being white in 1982 and get lumped in with East Asians

    ).

    I have heard this narrative, and dispute it.

    How many South Asian adults were in the US in 1982? How many were here long enough to even know how to lobby for something like this? You are effectively claiming that a few tens of thousands of South Asians had enough clout and political/lobbying awareness in 1982 to change the code.

    Most likely, it was done for them by Democrats, without most Indians even knowing about it.

    If this were possible in 1982, why don’t Asians (East and South) have the muscle to stop the anti-Asian discrimination at Ivy-League schools in 2017, when they are now much more numerous and wealthy?

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    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    Ivy league schools are really small. There are way too many qualified Asians for the number of spots in those schools. There are ten times as many Chinese and Indian people as Americans. Virtually all Asians in the USA come from at least the top 10% if not the top 1%. The top 1% of India and China is 50 million people. There are 15 million Asians in the USA. It is numerically possible for all of them to be top 1%. Of course not all of them are that high performing, but still, they are very high achieving. Our Ivy league schools were never intended to be major universities for the world. They were all small religious schools built to train preachers of the various strange American religious sects and save students from those communities the boat ride back to England for higher ed.
    , @Krastos the Gluemaker
    There is no anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy-Leagues, for one. The opposite is true; Asians are probably favored in comparison to whites. As for why Asians have simply kicked all black people out of everything, that's a different question but with an obvious answer.

    Espenshade's work is basically fraudulent , or more charitably, he made some trivial errors in computer code (off-by-one), or most charitably, someone else did the fabricating of data or Espenshade's work includes nothing to do with what people says it does and he's a blind middleman messenger. (For example, Espenshade might only have ever collected data from Oberlin and Wellesley or some places like that and never had anything from any actual Ivy League or other top tier school, like Stanford, and other people are just misinterpreting this).
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  29. As soon as the census lists category Native American, I plan to mark it. I was born here. So far, at least through 2010, the census had no Native American selection. I also believe, though it may have changed by now, Social Security has no such selection for applicants.

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    Why not just get rid of the sub-racial category "white" and replace it with Caucasian. That way any official left-wing criticism of whites by southern Caucasians would be an own goal.

    As the saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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  30. Old fogey says:
    @International Jew
    Too bad he didn't take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Typically Republican: slow down the left's march through the institutions, without daring to actually reverse it.

    Excellent point.

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  31. syonredux says:
    @International Jew
    Too bad he didn't take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Typically Republican: slow down the left's march through the institutions, without daring to actually reverse it.

    Too bad he didn’t take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Indeed. I would love to see Latinx Mestizos being forced to choose from the following categories: White, Black, East Asian, and Amerind….

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  32. syonredux says:
    @Cagey Beast

    WATCH: I’m Not White — I’m Jewish.

    December 4, 2017

    This slam poem was written in order to give a voice to this issue of being racially advantaged, but ethnically disadvantaged with the threat of persecution no matter what year it is. Now more than ever, it is crucial that we do not lose the ability to look back and see where we came from in the fight against intolerance.
     
    Read more: https://forward.com/scribe/388791/im-not-white-im-jewish/

    I would love to see her say that to a crowd of slum-dwelling Blacks….

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    According to Nazis, Jews weren't white, and they hated them.
    According to Black Radicals, Jews are white, and they hate them.
    Imagine Nazis and Black Radicals getting along so nicely!
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  33. syonredux says:

    I’ve been asking questions about how the MENA category would work for several years.

    For example, would Armenians no longer be white?

    Which would then retcon the Tom Bradley vs George Deukmejian California gubernatorial races in ’82 and ’86 into POC vs POC contests….Guess all those racists who voted for Deukmejian got rooked…..

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  34. Thomm says:
    @International Jew
    Too bad he didn't take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Typically Republican: slow down the left's march through the institutions, without daring to actually reverse it.

    Too bad he didn’t take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Fully agree.

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  35. @syonredux
    I would love to see her say that to a crowd of slum-dwelling Blacks....

    According to Nazis, Jews weren’t white, and they hated them.
    According to Black Radicals, Jews are white, and they hate them.
    Imagine Nazis and Black Radicals getting along so nicely!

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  36. @Yak-15
    If the census were re-arranged to place Jews in another category, it would seriously set back the tribe. It would highlight their disproportionate influence in academia, the media, business, etc.

    If it came out tomorrow that 25 pct of Harvard students (or whatever the exact, large number is), the university would be forced to respond by restricting the number of Jews entering Harvard (just as they have with Asians).

    Keeping the obfuscation is good for Jews.

    If it came out tomorrow that 25 pct of Harvard students (or whatever the exact, large number is), the university would be forced to respond by restricting the number of Jews entering Harvard (just as they have with Asians).

    And assuming that the other MENA folk were lumped in with the Jews, then there could be an overall reduction in the MENA folk at Harvard.

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  37. @George
    Good point. The census worked well for interning Japanese during ww2.

    I personally wonder what happens when you group a bunch of people that traditionally war with each other like Jew, Sunni, Shia, Sufi, and assorted others? The multi cult thinks it will be like Hispanics that more or less tolerate each other in exchange for some affirmative action goodies. But S American nations have not warred with each other recently. It unknown what happens when you aggregate Shia and Takfiris who think Shia should be killed on mass into one group. Kurds + Turks? Jews+Arabs?

    I sort of like the idea of creating all these affirmative action groups because it will dilute the amount of advantage any one group can have. There should also be a group, Generic American.

    New thinking on race by a Black writers:

    The Panthers can't save us now
    https://catalyst-journal.com/vol1/no1/panthers-cant-save-us-cedric-johnson

    Are US Blacks An Internal Colony? Or Is This Analysis By Analogy?
    https://blackagendareport.com/are-us-blacks-internal-colony-or-just-analysis-analogy

    That Catalyst article is quite interesting (and quite long!). In short, it is calling for a more class-based approach rather than a black-ethnic one. The author talks about how there are Latinos and whites in bad parts of town who also get caught up in the “hyper-incarceration” of our current police state.
    I doubt that this author’s plea to move away from the race-based language will be heeded. Academia, journalism, Hollywood, etc. have all been hypnotized by “hands up, don’t shoot.”

    The author keeps talking about “late capitalism” (apparently he wrote a book with this in the title, too), so I assume this is the Marxist idea that capitalism is tottering and going to be replaced?

    Also, read slowly and carefully the final sentence of the essay:

    “There can be no end to hyper-incarceration, the policing crisis, and the underlying inequality without the difficult work of taking power and imposing a more democratic and humane order. ”

    Note: taking power, and then imposing this wonderful new order.

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  38. D. K. says:

    ***

    “To the extent that an administration were to show racial animus and to make decisions about the statistical classification or the questions on surveys that relate to race in a manner that was motivated by racial animus, that would be clearly illegal and unconstitutional,” Coglianese says.

    ***

    TRANSLATION: “If President Trump decides to do nothing, and thereby attempts to leave the Race / Ethnicity categories unchanged on the upcoming Census from what they were in 2010, let alone makes any changes opposed to those envisioned by the Obama Administration, we will file suit before a Federal District Court trial judge [appointed by President Obama] seeking to enjoin any such decision, and asking the Court to order the Census Bureau to make all of the changes proposed by the Obama Administration, arguing that President Trump’s already-well-known racial animus makes his decision [even if it is essentially a non-decision] unconstitutional, under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.”

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  39. @Thomm

    the way Indian and Chinese immigrants have legislation granting them cheap Minority Development Loans and government contracting set-asides (

    which is why South Asians successfully demand to stop being white in 1982 and get lumped in with East Asians
     
    ).
     
    I have heard this narrative, and dispute it.

    How many South Asian adults were in the US in 1982? How many were here long enough to even know how to lobby for something like this? You are effectively claiming that a few tens of thousands of South Asians had enough clout and political/lobbying awareness in 1982 to change the code.

    Most likely, it was done for them by Democrats, without most Indians even knowing about it.

    If this were possible in 1982, why don't Asians (East and South) have the muscle to stop the anti-Asian discrimination at Ivy-League schools in 2017, when they are now much more numerous and wealthy?

    Ivy league schools are really small. There are way too many qualified Asians for the number of spots in those schools. There are ten times as many Chinese and Indian people as Americans. Virtually all Asians in the USA come from at least the top 10% if not the top 1%. The top 1% of India and China is 50 million people. There are 15 million Asians in the USA. It is numerically possible for all of them to be top 1%. Of course not all of them are that high performing, but still, they are very high achieving. Our Ivy league schools were never intended to be major universities for the world. They were all small religious schools built to train preachers of the various strange American religious sects and save students from those communities the boat ride back to England for higher ed.

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  40. Conatus says:

    This is an old 2004 law review on set asides(who gets to butt in line for small biz contracts)by a guy named La Noue(who is not a lawyer) with some unlawyerlike stuff, like a chart on 127 with who got set aside status and who didn’t and when.

    http://digitalcommons.law.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1352&context=lawreview

    When it comes to set asides they list the groups who have lobbied and cajoled to be ‘socially disadvantaged’
    13 CFR 103.124 Who is Socially disadvantaged.

    (b)Members of designated groups.

    (1) There is a rebuttable presumption that the following individuals are socially disadvantaged: Black Americans; Hispanic Americans; Native Americans (Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, or enrolled members of a Federally or State recognized Indian Tribe); Asian Pacific Americans (persons with origins from Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei, Japan, China (including Hong Kong), Taiwan, Laos, Cambodia (Kampuchea), Vietnam, Korea, The Philippines, U.S. Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (Republic of Palau), Republic of the Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, Samoa, Macao, Fiji, Tonga, Kiribati, Tuvalu, or Nauru); Subcontinent Asian Americans (persons with origins from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, the Maldives Islands or Nepal); and members of other groups designated from time to time by SBA according to procedures set forth at paragraph (d) of this section. Being born in a country does not, by itself, suffice to make the birth country an individual’s country of origin for purposes of being included within a designated group.

    Why are subcontinental Indians included if they are the numero uno ethnic group in terms of income in the US? I did not know if you were number one in income that also enabled you to be ‘socially disadvantaged?’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

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  41. A friend of mine who is of Armenian extraction told me a while back that they do not consider themselves Middle Eastern. He remarked that they are closest to the Greeks, in his words “the religion, the food, the music, it’s all the same.”

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    Armenia and Georgia seem like the furthest outposts of the Mediterranean, although one writer made that claim for New Orleans.
    , @Anon
    In the Middle Ages he wouldn't have been caught dead saying the religion was the same. Or would that be the Greek saying that?

    Armenians tended to intermarry with Crusaders, I wonder if that had any effect on their culture. It certainly didn't make the Crusaders any friendlier to the Greeks.
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  42. @eah
    Speaking about the census...

    satellite image map of Northern Virginia 1991 vs 2016

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQN4jjdVQAAdfCB.jpg

    I lived in northern Virginia from 1985 until 2004, although not in the area pictured. That satellite image is truly depressing: the essence of urban sprawl.

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    "I’m inclined to favor the changes–European-origin “white” people ought to be made aware as soon as possible how small (and shrinking) a portion of the United States population they are."

    There are tens of millions of European-origin "white" people. They are not in serious jeopardy of losing their life and limbs, nor their wealth and power. Furthermore, they are acutely aware of their place in our society--everyday they are reminded by people such as yourself.

    "European-origin people will have to shaken out of their lethargy and realize that they must organize and agitate for their own racial interests if they are to survive."

    Feel free to organize and agitate for you and your friends you believe that white power is the way to go. The rest of the white normies will make our own racial and societal decisions.
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  43. @John Henry
    As soon as the census lists category Native American, I plan to mark it. I was born here. So far, at least through 2010, the census had no Native American selection. I also believe, though it may have changed by now, Social Security has no such selection for applicants.

    Why not just get rid of the sub-racial category “white” and replace it with Caucasian. That way any official left-wing criticism of whites by southern Caucasians would be an own goal.

    As the saying goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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  44. Thomm says:

    Why not just get rid of the sub-racial category “white” and replace it with Caucasian. That way any official left-wing criticism of whites by southern Caucasians would be an own goal.

    Sure, if want most Arabs, Persians, most Hindu Indians, and most Hispanics categorized as ‘white’.

    So that sperm and egg donors from these groups are categorized as ‘white’.

    Yes, let’s do that! Brilliant idea! Truly worthy of a White Nationalist!

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  45. @It's All Ball Bearings
    Whatever happened to race doesn't exist? Social construct, blah blah blah.

    Given its liberal premises, left-liberalism is actually more logical than right-wing liberalism.

    Left liberal thinking: all people are equal, yet different racial groups experience different social outcomes, hence workable measures should be taken to reduce inequality between groups.

    Right-liberal (aka cuckservative) thinking: all people are equal, yet nothing should be done to reduce solvable inequality between groups (unconvincingly mumble about different people having bad work ethics etc).

    No wonder the right was been on the retreat for the past 50 years.

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    Given its liberal premises, left-liberalism is actually more logical than right-wing liberalism.
     
    This is why we are losing.

    I have advised many family members and friends about relationship problems with a difficult interlocutor. In nearly every instance it comes back to the same point: you don't play their game. You don't take their words at face value; you don't "get offended" or be "touched" or "take them to heart" because you think the "sensitive" soul (ha) can teach us something.

    In reality, the only valuable thing they can teach us is how not to care about stupidity. They invented the game and the rules: the only way to win is not to play.

    The liberal asks, "Why is one religion better than another?" The appropriate response is not a theological tirade but, "Because one teaches truth and another teaches falsehood."

    The liberal asks, "Why aren't men and women equals?" The appropriate response is, "Because they aren't."

    The liberal asks, "Why don't all cultures get equal respect?" The appropriate answer is, "Because not all cultures have values of the same merit!"

    The child asks, "Why can't I stay up until midnight?" The parent replies, "Because I said no!"

    But no. "Conservatives" have to be "respectable" and "principled" and so deferential and "Christian" that they play the enemy's game, even if it means they and their families are annihilated in the process.
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  46. @Thomm

    the way Indian and Chinese immigrants have legislation granting them cheap Minority Development Loans and government contracting set-asides (

    which is why South Asians successfully demand to stop being white in 1982 and get lumped in with East Asians
     
    ).
     
    I have heard this narrative, and dispute it.

    How many South Asian adults were in the US in 1982? How many were here long enough to even know how to lobby for something like this? You are effectively claiming that a few tens of thousands of South Asians had enough clout and political/lobbying awareness in 1982 to change the code.

    Most likely, it was done for them by Democrats, without most Indians even knowing about it.

    If this were possible in 1982, why don't Asians (East and South) have the muscle to stop the anti-Asian discrimination at Ivy-League schools in 2017, when they are now much more numerous and wealthy?

    There is no anti-Asian discrimination in the Ivy-Leagues, for one. The opposite is true; Asians are probably favored in comparison to whites. As for why Asians have simply kicked all black people out of everything, that’s a different question but with an obvious answer.

    Espenshade’s work is basically fraudulent , or more charitably, he made some trivial errors in computer code (off-by-one), or most charitably, someone else did the fabricating of data or Espenshade’s work includes nothing to do with what people says it does and he’s a blind middleman messenger. (For example, Espenshade might only have ever collected data from Oberlin and Wellesley or some places like that and never had anything from any actual Ivy League or other top tier school, like Stanford, and other people are just misinterpreting this).

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  47. Felix... says:

    I think it’s indisputably advantageous to establish a MENA category, so long as that category includes Jews. Others have already mentioned the benefits associated with shining a light on Jewish over-representation in several, ah, fields of endeavor. The other advantage is that giving Jews minority special privilege goodies will give these very same goodies to any “woke” whites as well. I know plenty of Jews who look just as white, if not whiter, than myself. If I claim to be a Jew and apply for my consolation prize government privileges for being a disenfranchised, disadvantaged non-white Jewish minority, who’s gonna tell me I don’t qualify?

    Most nice-white-cucks would never think of doing such a thing, so it’s unlikely to ever become a significant enough issue for the powers that be to make a stink about it and attract attention to some truths better left hidden by trying to fight it.

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  48. @International Jew
    Too bad he didn't take this opportunity to eliminate a category or two — the Hispanic/Latino category for instance, which serves to create a pan-Spanish-speaking-persons identity which would otherwise not exist at all.

    Typically Republican: slow down the left's march through the institutions, without daring to actually reverse it.

    I’ve always said that under the way that “Latino” is defined, a Geordie, a Jamaican, a Nigerian, an Alabama redneck, and a Chinese Australian would be “Anglos”.

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  49. eah says:
    @eah
    Speaking about the census...

    satellite image map of Northern Virginia 1991 vs 2016

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQN4jjdVQAAdfCB.jpg

    It’s the same everywhere.

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  50. ATBOTL says:

    Steve, you’re dead wrong about this. We need to know how many MENA people are in this country. Obviously, the number of real white people is significantly lower than the official number. Knowing the the truth will increase the sense of urgency about immigration. It can only help nationalists. There is also the delicious interplay of the MENA census proposal and the JQ. This can only help raise awareness on the unrepresentative nature of the elites.

    Does anyone else think it’s bizarre for Steve to be against getting more accurate and detailed demographic immigration? Does Steve really think that pretending MENA people are the same as Europeans will make it so?

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  51. eah says:

    OT

    Media trying to bury the report on Charlottesville:

    Trump ought to repudiate this:

    Trump signs resolution condemning Charlottesville violence after reviving hate group debate

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    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/938245861171015680
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  52. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    As I've long been saying, Americans love obsessing over race! In particular, black, white and Hispanic Americans love obsessing over race and over each other, all the while pretending that uh Asian Americans basically don't exist. Hence any discussion of race in this country invariably tends to be focused on the usual black versus white talking points, with Hispanics being mentioned alongside blacks from time to time. Boring East Asians though, what with their focus on quantitative STEM fields, basically don't exist in our national consciousness.

    You’re a broken record. Our media love talking about race, and seem to want to get everyone else talking about it. No one I knew for most of my life obsessed over race.

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  53. wootoofoo says:

    Strangely, the White Australia Policy was initially meant to keep Asians out, based on experience of the hordes of Chinese who had flooded into the country in the gold rushes: the ‘Yellow Peril’.

    But Lebanese were allowed in, as they were seen as ‘white’.

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    That would be Christian Lebanese (or as they were originally called,at least in Australia, Syrian Christians )
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  54. Romanian says: • Website

    Off-topic:

    Serious “journalizm” from Business Insider – a writer tried Trump’s McDonald’s order and claims it was a nightmare.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-mcdonalds-order-review-2017-12/#once-more-into-the-breach-i-entered-a-fugue-state-for-approximately-10-minutes-and-forgot-about-the-last-filet-o-fish-it-was-a-devastating-discovery-upon-my-re-entry-to-reality-12

    We cannot distinguish reality from satire anymore.

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  55. Clyde says:
    @enemy of earth
    I am going to offer a somewhat different solution. Remove the ethnicity/racial categories from the census. The categories should be Natural Born Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, Resident Alien, and Illegal Alien. Then revise Affirmative Action policies to favor Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens.

    I am going to offer a somewhat different solution. Remove the ethnicity/racial categories from the census. The categories should be Natural Born Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, Resident Alien, and Illegal Alien. Then revise Affirmative Action policies to favor Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens.

    Great idea for reclassification. For those who just got off the banana boat yesterday or 10, 25 years ago. Those who do not have a heritage of building America and fighting in our wars are put in the back seat to wait their turn. Legal or illegal, they are fortunate to be in a pre-built advanced nation.

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  56. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Yan Shen
    As I've long been saying, Americans love obsessing over race! In particular, black, white and Hispanic Americans love obsessing over race and over each other, all the while pretending that uh Asian Americans basically don't exist. Hence any discussion of race in this country invariably tends to be focused on the usual black versus white talking points, with Hispanics being mentioned alongside blacks from time to time. Boring East Asians though, what with their focus on quantitative STEM fields, basically don't exist in our national consciousness.

    Then why is it that so many of the “race-obsessed” articles that are published in the msm today are authored by people with Chinese or Indian (or Jewish) names?

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  57. @Yan Shen
    As I've long been saying, Americans love obsessing over race! In particular, black, white and Hispanic Americans love obsessing over race and over each other, all the while pretending that uh Asian Americans basically don't exist. Hence any discussion of race in this country invariably tends to be focused on the usual black versus white talking points, with Hispanics being mentioned alongside blacks from time to time. Boring East Asians though, what with their focus on quantitative STEM fields, basically don't exist in our national consciousness.

    I leave Asian obsessions over race to Asians. Did you know Korean golfers sport umbrellas in sunny weather so their skin retains its pleasing pallor, lest they be confused with (agh!) Vietnamese?

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  58. Canada, in it’s latest census, asked for no racial data, which would be useful in alerting citizens to relentless demographic change.

    It is a sign of a very weak, empty suit government, which is utterly controlled by financial speculators with addresses in foreign countries.

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  59. Nico says:
    @unpc downunder
    Given its liberal premises, left-liberalism is actually more logical than right-wing liberalism.

    Left liberal thinking: all people are equal, yet different racial groups experience different social outcomes, hence workable measures should be taken to reduce inequality between groups.

    Right-liberal (aka cuckservative) thinking: all people are equal, yet nothing should be done to reduce solvable inequality between groups (unconvincingly mumble about different people having bad work ethics etc).

    No wonder the right was been on the retreat for the past 50 years.

    Given its liberal premises, left-liberalism is actually more logical than right-wing liberalism.

    This is why we are losing.

    I have advised many family members and friends about relationship problems with a difficult interlocutor. In nearly every instance it comes back to the same point: you don’t play their game. You don’t take their words at face value; you don’t “get offended” or be “touched” or “take them to heart” because you think the “sensitive” soul (ha) can teach us something.

    In reality, the only valuable thing they can teach us is how not to care about stupidity. They invented the game and the rules: the only way to win is not to play.

    The liberal asks, “Why is one religion better than another?” The appropriate response is not a theological tirade but, “Because one teaches truth and another teaches falsehood.”

    The liberal asks, “Why aren’t men and women equals?” The appropriate response is, “Because they aren’t.”

    The liberal asks, “Why don’t all cultures get equal respect?” The appropriate answer is, “Because not all cultures have values of the same merit!”

    The child asks, “Why can’t I stay up until midnight?” The parent replies, “Because I said no!”

    But no. “Conservatives” have to be “respectable” and “principled” and so deferential and “Christian” that they play the enemy’s game, even if it means they and their families are annihilated in the process.

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  60. TWS says:
    @Yan Shen
    As I've long been saying, Americans love obsessing over race! In particular, black, white and Hispanic Americans love obsessing over race and over each other, all the while pretending that uh Asian Americans basically don't exist. Hence any discussion of race in this country invariably tends to be focused on the usual black versus white talking points, with Hispanics being mentioned alongside blacks from time to time. Boring East Asians though, what with their focus on quantitative STEM fields, basically don't exist in our national consciousness.

    You lying troll. Orientals get their own set asides. So much so that Indians asked to be lumped in with you. Whole schools of thought, philosophy, and entertainment follow the orient. We’ve fought two major wars in the region in the last fifty years.

    But sure, you’re ignored.

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  61. clyde says:

    An Obama racial-ethnic (set aside) deadline was missed? I am going to chalk it up to procrastination. Procrastination is our friend here.

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  62. And in Duh news: Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

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  63. As an Iranian-American, I find this terribly disappointing. I only ever identified as “white” on my university/grad school applications. Even then, only because I determined that the only conceivable alternative if I failed to self-identify was being grouped with overachieving Asian applicants and dimming my chances of acceptance.

    I also did mark “white” on the 2010 census but will have to switch to “other” or “Asian” for the 2020 census.

    My family benefits from Republican fiscal policies but we nonetheless overwhelmingly for the Democrats, especially in this political climate. Feel free to construe this as a victory but our census designation means absolutely nothing when it comes to our political loyalties.

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  64. The Census is overrated as a source of demographic data. The annual American Community Survey is where all of the good information is located. For those who aren’t familiar, the ACS goes out to ~1% of households each year and is a replacement for the long form Census. The ACS already collects information about national ethnicity that roughly correlates with the MENA category. Just looking at the ethnicity variable, there are 75,585 “pure” Iranians and 90,666 people claiming Iranian ancestry in LA County according to the 2016 1 year estimate. It gets weird because there are single ancestry and multiple ancestry groups, but it’s entirely possible to reverse engineer MENA with existing data sets because there’s already collected information about Arabs, North Africans, Central Asians, etc.

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  65. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Trump = Fag

    Biggest sellout shabbos-goy potus ever and that’s saying a lot.

    All you maga morons can suck it. On every major campaign issue Trump has stabbed you in the back and all you can say is “thank you may I have another…”

    He’s a fag for the Jews.

    He’s a fag for Wall St.

    He’s a fag for China.

    He’s a fag for the illegals.

    He’s a fag for the pentagon.

    And to top it all off he’s a fag for the opium trade.

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  66. Either we make everybody “white”, or we split the census down to the minutest detail to show just how diversified and multicultural the US has become, so the diversity champions can shut the hell up.

    MENA as a group is long overdue. It’s also time to make Jews a separate group, and “Muslim” as another group. They can check more than 1 box anyway.

    The “Asian” group is so huge it’s meaningless because “Asians” are even racially distinct. It should be split into at least 4 groups: Central Asian(all the Stan countries, Mongolia), South Asian(India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka), Northeast Asian(China, Taiwan, HK, Korea, Japan), Southeast Asian(Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Myanmar, Laos, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Philippines).

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  67. sb says:
    @wootoofoo
    Strangely, the White Australia Policy was initially meant to keep Asians out, based on experience of the hordes of Chinese who had flooded into the country in the gold rushes: the 'Yellow Peril'.

    But Lebanese were allowed in, as they were seen as 'white'.

    That would be Christian Lebanese (or as they were originally called,at least in Australia, Syrian Christians )

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  68. @enemy of earth
    I am going to offer a somewhat different solution. Remove the ethnicity/racial categories from the census. The categories should be Natural Born Citizen, Naturalized Citizen, Resident Alien, and Illegal Alien. Then revise Affirmative Action policies to favor Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens.

    The way things are going, the libtards who prepare these census will be asking about our sexual orientation and gender identity long before they ask about our citizenship status.

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  69. @YetAnotherAnon
    Wikipedia is utterly useless as a source for anything politically contentious - which covers an awful lot these days. A lot of their stuff should come with a warning to that effect.

    It's all right for engineering, astronomy and geology though.

    Use Infogalactic instead of Wikipedia.

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  70. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    A friend of mine who is of Armenian extraction told me a while back that they do not consider themselves Middle Eastern. He remarked that they are closest to the Greeks, in his words "the religion, the food, the music, it's all the same."

    Armenia and Georgia seem like the furthest outposts of the Mediterranean, although one writer made that claim for New Orleans.

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  71. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sgt. Joe Friday
    A friend of mine who is of Armenian extraction told me a while back that they do not consider themselves Middle Eastern. He remarked that they are closest to the Greeks, in his words "the religion, the food, the music, it's all the same."

    In the Middle Ages he wouldn’t have been caught dead saying the religion was the same. Or would that be the Greek saying that?

    Armenians tended to intermarry with Crusaders, I wonder if that had any effect on their culture. It certainly didn’t make the Crusaders any friendlier to the Greeks.

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    The religion isn't the same but it arguably has more in common than either does with Catholicism or Protestantism. Both Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy preserve a lot of aspects of early Christianity that died out in the Latin West. Also, Armenians who belonged to the (Chalcedonian) Byzantine church were quite influential and well-integrated into the Byzantine empire (as I have noted before) and, of course, both Greeks and Armenians suffered for their Christian faith under the "Turkish yoke."
    I would say that Armenians don't easily fit either in a "white" category that is centered on NW Europe or in a MENA category that is centered on Arab Muslims.
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  72. patrick says:
    @Anon
    In the Middle Ages he wouldn't have been caught dead saying the religion was the same. Or would that be the Greek saying that?

    Armenians tended to intermarry with Crusaders, I wonder if that had any effect on their culture. It certainly didn't make the Crusaders any friendlier to the Greeks.

    The religion isn’t the same but it arguably has more in common than either does with Catholicism or Protestantism. Both Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy preserve a lot of aspects of early Christianity that died out in the Latin West. Also, Armenians who belonged to the (Chalcedonian) Byzantine church were quite influential and well-integrated into the Byzantine empire (as I have noted before) and, of course, both Greeks and Armenians suffered for their Christian faith under the “Turkish yoke.”
    I would say that Armenians don’t easily fit either in a “white” category that is centered on NW Europe or in a MENA category that is centered on Arab Muslims.

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  73. Corvinus says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    I lived in northern Virginia from 1985 until 2004, although not in the area pictured. That satellite image is truly depressing: the essence of urban sprawl.

    “I’m inclined to favor the changes–European-origin “white” people ought to be made aware as soon as possible how small (and shrinking) a portion of the United States population they are.”

    There are tens of millions of European-origin “white” people. They are not in serious jeopardy of losing their life and limbs, nor their wealth and power. Furthermore, they are acutely aware of their place in our society–everyday they are reminded by people such as yourself.

    “European-origin people will have to shaken out of their lethargy and realize that they must organize and agitate for their own racial interests if they are to survive.”

    Feel free to organize and agitate for you and your friends you believe that white power is the way to go. The rest of the white normies will make our own racial and societal decisions.

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    What a foolish boomer post. One of the main themes of this blog is demographic displacement of European Americans. Of course we want to know as much as we can about this.
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  74. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    Media trying to bury the report on Charlottesville:

    https://twitter.com/occdissent/status/937755015678177280

    Trump ought to repudiate this:

    Trump signs resolution condemning Charlottesville violence after reviving hate group debate
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  75. ATBOTL says:
    @Corvinus
    "I’m inclined to favor the changes–European-origin “white” people ought to be made aware as soon as possible how small (and shrinking) a portion of the United States population they are."

    There are tens of millions of European-origin "white" people. They are not in serious jeopardy of losing their life and limbs, nor their wealth and power. Furthermore, they are acutely aware of their place in our society--everyday they are reminded by people such as yourself.

    "European-origin people will have to shaken out of their lethargy and realize that they must organize and agitate for their own racial interests if they are to survive."

    Feel free to organize and agitate for you and your friends you believe that white power is the way to go. The rest of the white normies will make our own racial and societal decisions.

    What a foolish boomer post. One of the main themes of this blog is demographic displacement of European Americans. Of course we want to know as much as we can about this.

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