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Well, we shall see. Time will tell.

Last year, in my Taki’s Magazine column, I was vaguely optimistic that AMLO, the new leftist nationalist president of Mexico, might prove a productive fit with Trump as a negotiating partner.

 
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  1. Don’t hold your breath.

  2. Dewey defeats Truman…

  3. I am sure now that Donald Trump’s book The Art of the Deal would be a waste of my time and money (OK, library bonds). You don’t pull the pressure off before you see the other side making serious changes. Talk is cheap. This sounds like the stupidest way to make a deal that I’ve every heard of. What a moron!

    Trump = Charlie Brown
    AMLO* = Lucinda

    I really did have high hopes for this guy, and I saw a week or so ago that even our Jack Hanson admits this guy is a failure – correct me if I’m wrong, Jack.

    .

    The expert on Mexican politics, Allen Wall of VDare, paints the Mexican Presidente as a fairly reasonable guy who limits his macho rhetoric on this topic. It’s a shame we have to put our hopes in the Mexican President rather than our dufus.

  4. Great deal signed with mexico. Maybe one of the best. Jared says it’s maybe the best ever, believe me. We want people coming into the country, but they have to be LEGAL. I’m keeping close tabs on the border now.

    MAGA @Foxandfriends @foxnews @tuckercarlson

  5. newrouter says:

    >Well, we shall see. Time will tell.<

    Mexico's southern border isn't that wide. If they can shut down the central American invaders it would be a start.
    https://www.bing.com/maps?q=map+mexico&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=map+mexico&sc=8-10&sk=&cvid=CAA2F492AC994B579DFA33019D7160DE

  6. Gunner says:

    Lefties believe in bullying countries like Russia into adopting Globohomo, but they are OUTRAGED at the thought of strongarming Mexico into fixing their broken country.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @gate666
  7. Wilkey says:

    My fear is that Trump will settle for a tenth of a solution (or merely the appearance of one) in order not to piss off the business interests who are violently opposed to tariffs.

    Time will tell, but my guess is that the numbers coming across our border 6 months or a year from now will be not much less than what they are today. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    , @SFG
    , @istevefan
  8. Same old; same old.

    More big talk, but little or no effective action. Just enough to keep the base on the leash.

    If Trump were serious about Mexican instrangience, on his first day in office, he’d have slapped a hefty tax on remittances.

  9. So how many of the 22,000,000+ illegals here are going back? Let’s ask Jared!

  10. Oh! The Mexicans promised? Problem solved!

  11. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Wilkey

    Yours is the smart bet.

    Over under when the Nation calls for kill White y take his stuff?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Kyle
    , @AnotherDad
  12. SFG says:
    @Wilkey

    I also believe you are right, and hope you are wrong. It is typical of him, unfortunately.

    Well, who else are you going to vote for? Elizabeth Warren?

  13. Clyde says:

    In about two-three months the Trump tariff threats will return because Mexico will slack off and not deliver. Or be too f’ed up to deliver.

    Senate Republicans were in full sabotage mode on this Trump tariff plan. With Mitch McConnell making rumbling noises and the Chamber of Commerce (scum) threatening to sue.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  14. istevefan says:
    @Wilkey

    For such a great negotiator he really doesn’t seem to grasp the issue. A top notch negotiator would go into any immigration debate armed and stiffened with the knowledge that the other side has already gotten the highest rate of immigration over the past half century that has ever occurred in history. The only thing that could surpass it would be the migration of the rural Chinese into the cities. But of course that all occurred within China and was not akin to what we have gone through.

    Additionally, the top notch negotiator would also know that major promises were given in 1986 by both sides. One side agreed to amnesty about 2 million and the other side agreed to border enforcement, workplace enforcement and supposedly promised to never ever push for amnesty again. We know how that turned out. One side amnestied more than 3 million because government figures are always low, and the other side reneged on their promises.

    So instead of demanding the other side live up to their commitments and agree to major cuts in legal immigration, Trump announced at the SOTU that he wanted recorded immigration. He wants record immigration on top of record immigration. I don’t think that is what got him elected.

    PS. We keep getting lectured that tariffs are an own goal, and that they only hurt the US consumer. But reality appears to be that the other side seems to perk up under tariff threat. The Mexicans, who blew us off for months, sent a delegation all week to DC. And the Chinese are scrambling to counter our tariffs. Why would the Chinese enact an own goal of their own if the US is so dumb in enacting tariffs? Aren’t the Chinese better off with us harming ourselves with tariffs while they continue “free trade”?

    Seems like China and Mexico need some of our libertarians to educate them on tariffs.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  15. Additionally, the top notch negotiator would also know that major promises were given in 1986 by both sides. One side agreed to amnesty about 2 million and the other side agreed to border enforcement, workplace enforcement and supposedly promised to never ever push for amnesty again. We know how that turned out.

    Exactly, iSteveFan, and are we supposed to trust the Mexican Gov’t any more than Reagan trusted the 1986 D-controlled Congress? Actually, that’a tough call.

  16. istevefan says:
    @Whiskey

    Over under when the Nation calls for kill White y take his stuff?

    Actually, that would probably be a good thing. Too many of us need an actual declaration of war to wake the heck up.

  17. Mr. Anon says:

    Trump really is a f**king doofus.

  18. Polynikes says:

    I’m in the we shall see camp. And there’s no doubt if this doesn’t help, Trump has largely failed here.

    Otoh, we’re still a democracy and Trump has gotten no help from most of the Republican party. Trump has tried: legislation (that the Republican Senate wouldn’t pass), troops to the border, and now tariffs. That’s probably more than you would get from most politicians. But

    It could be that this country is simply past the point of no return.

  19. Laughing. Time won’t tell and based on the record, I am confident that the president caved.

    Stronger measures . . . laughing. That’s like use two boys to tie your shoes instead of one — nevermind that the laces are so thread bare they ceaseley stretch out.

    Stronger measures . . .

    Laughing. Folded more like.

    As if Mexico never signed an agreement before.

    Good grief . . .

  20. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    You’d think that Stephen Miller or someone along with an international law could have banged out a bullet list of 50 concrete goals, actions, and Mexican-side legislation upon whose achievement, with intermediate goals, the tariffs would depend. Throw in some carrots: a little foreign aid, approval for US factories, but dependent on trust-but-verify, auditable goals. Big goals.

    And threaten a full shutdown of remittances. In fact, just do it.

    • Replies: @SFG
  21. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    No one in the MSM has said it. But the only thing they will let Trump do is announce tariffs. Note…I said announce, not enact. The Mexican Tariff would have been declared de facto impossible, quasi illegal, and nullified. They were ginning up all the reasons it couldn’t be done in the MSM.

    However…they allow him to announce tariffs. When not encouraging him to increase military adventurism.

    The Republicans and the bureaucracy were ironing out the details on CNBC today. So, anything he gets from Mexico is based on bargaining away a few tweets.

  22. @Sandy Berger's Socks

    If Trump were serious about Mexican instrangience, on his first day in office, he’d have slapped a hefty tax on remittances.

    Yup. The US economy is not here to fund your loser family back in your shithole country.

  23. Lots of 1986 talk in this thread…just gonna leave this right here…

  24. This is yuge. We want the largest number ever of immigrants to come in, because we have all these jobs, but they must come in legally. Which is why I’ve made a deal with Mexico to process their work visas enroute so they can now all come in legally.

    Jared made a big, beautiful deal with Mexico. Everything Jared touches turns to gold.

    America, are we tired of winning yet?

  25. Foreign Aid for “A big beautiful wall” between Mexico and its southern neighbors?

  26. Precious says:

    I am cautiously optimistic with the reported arrests of Irieno Mujihca and Cristóbal Sánchez. If Mexico puts those guys in prison and lets them spill evidence to the USA on which Democrats were helping them start a migrant wave north, then we know Trump is making serious progress. We shall see.

  27. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    I have no idea why he hasn’t taxed remittances yet, considering it was mentioned on his campaign website. But it’s not quite true that Trump has been all talk. He levied a 25% tariff on hundreds of billions of dollars of Chinese imports. A lot of people thought he was bluffing and would roll over if China made a one-time big purchase of soybeans or something.

    That’s why I’m surprised he suspended the 5% tariff on Mexico. You’d think he’d let the 5% tariff go into effect on Monday, and then if Mexico demonstrated real enforcement over the next few weeks, he could always drop it then, or not ratchet it up another 5% as planned.

    Maybe the Mexican government and/or the U.S. intelligence community told him that Mexico was so fragile it would collapse from tariffs, leading to most of the rest of Mexico coming here? If so, that highlights the need for a wall.

  28. @Sandy Berger's Socks

    I agree.

    Trump is totally full of shit.

    The biggest disappointment in my long lifetime.

    I voted for the stupid prick and had high hopes.

    I got Jeb Kushner instead.

    • Agree: Svigor, RadicalCenter, Hail
  29. Svigor says:

    Dude this is all bullshit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._Hawaii

    “Delivering the majority opinion, Chief Justice Roberts concluded the language of 8 U. S. C. §1182(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act was clear in giving the President broad authority to suspend the entry of non citizens in the country and Trump’s Presidential Proclamation 9645 did not exceed any textual limit on the President’s authority. Under 8 U. S. C. §1182(f), a President may limit alien entry when he finds that their entry “would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.” Trump determined that aliens from some countries are detrimental because those countries do not share adequate information with the U.S. for an informed decision on entry, and that other countries are detrimental because their aliens create national security risks. Trump showed that the limits he put in place were tailored to protect American interests. The only prerequisite set forth in §1182(f) is that the President “find” that the entry of the covered aliens would be detrimental to the interests of the U.S. “The President has undoubtedly fulfilled that requirement here,” the Supreme Court ruled. Trump acted within his powers, according to Justice Roberts.”

    Trump can keep them all out. He doesn’t want to.

    Trump also has the Justice Department. They could be frog-marching employers of criminal aliens past the cameras every day until they can’t find any more.

    Trump doesn’t want to.

    If you still believe in this guy, you’re a putz.

    • LOL: IHTG
  30. LondonBob says:

    Given the opposition of the courts, DC, the media and his own administration of enforcing immigration laws it makes sense to outsource it to Mexico, they can be a lot tougher if the will is there.

  31. @istevefan

    Seems like China and Mexico need some of our libertarians to educate them on tariffs.

    And what we here in the US need is someone with your degree of intellect, integrity, and plain old horse sense in a policy-making position. But it seems that our system is far too corrupt and sclerotic for this to happen ever again, I’m sorry to say.

    Rome survived the calamities of the first century AD (Caligula, Nero et al) and came back stronger than ever in the second (Hadrian, Antoninus, Marcus Aurelius). What a statement that we’re more wrecked than first-century Rome.

  32. he is monitoring the situation.

  33. IHTG says:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  34. gate666 says:
    @Gunner

    you morons are obsessed with gays.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  35. Oh well, it’s not as egregious as dressing up in a flight suit to fake a carrier landing and then stand at a podium as a “warrior President” declaring Mission Accomplished before committing to another decade of senseless slaughter.

  36. @Clyde

    Trump (still) has very limited political capital.

  37. Skipper says:

    The more interesting question will be whether the invasion will continue by sea–a literal Camp of Saints situation. America’s coastline is indefensible. Boats are cheap. You can sail from Guatemala to the South Texas coast in a matter of days. There are thousands of miles of marsh and coast in the Gulf. Quite a business could be made of loading 40-50 migrants into a sailboat, dropping them into inflatable rafts two miles from shore in the middle of the night, and sailing away.

  38. @Polynikes

    At this point the only real question is whether we will have a Pinochet of the left or of the right. (I’m betting the former.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. He’s President Melvin Udall and we’re getting to the part where Carol (regular Americans) are getting up the courage to give him a real go (and the political capital that goes with it).

    Let’s just hope he keeps taking his pills.

    See also Groundhog Day.

  40. @gate666

    Wrong, Tonto. We are just tired of hearing about poofters 24/7/265.

    To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, “The love that dare not speak its name is now the love that won’t shut up.”

  41. Last year, in my Taki’s Magazine column, I was vaguely optimistic that AMLO, the new leftist nationalist president of Mexico, might prove a productive fit with Trump as a negotiating partner.

    This should–should–be the case.

    Mexico is not world class in anything. Ok, the reef off the Yucatan is very nice. That you could call “world class”. They have some oil, but they are over their Hubbert peak, need enhanced recovery just to keep going and are producing only modestly above their national needs.

    Basically Mexico’s competitive advantage is simply that you don’t have to load a ship, but can bang stuff out, load it onto a truck and send it up into the US in a day.

    So any Mexican President who is actually interested in his people’s welfare, not just motivated by inferiority complex vis-a-vis the obnoxious gringos, will want to make sure that that competitive advantage in maintained. In contrast, they owe absolutely nothing to these Central America migrant invaders.

  42. @Whiskey

    Over under when the Nation calls for kill White y take his stuff?

    The core demand of minoritarian ideology is … you must let me in!
    — your nation!
    — your Harvard!
    — your country club!

    Basically it’s the Jewish demand for open access to whatever white people are doing. Whites doing their own thing, operating as their own community–not open to pentration–is a bee in their bonnets. The Ben Ehrenreich piece gives the flavor.

    But this has become so pervasive now, that it’s echoed constantly by anyone and everyone who wants to grift off of white people. So you get the same schlock from this Suketa Mehta–white people must let us in!–with some laughably lame justification/argument. The ridiculous “arguments”–it’s an insult to the word “argument” to even call them that–don’t matter, because “you must let us in” is just so self-evidently righteous in the current year.

    But logically, the demand for access to white people, the peaceful and prosperous nations they build, doesn’t really sit comfortably with the whole “white oppression” used to beat and belittle and strip whitey of his stuff. If whitey is so darn oppressive … why are you trying to barge in? Just go do your *own* stuff and leave our pale white asses alone!

    And … it really doesn’t scale out into the future. If everyone is entitled to barge into white nations and get a piece of whitey’s stuff … there isn’t going to be any white stuff anymore. Goose–golden egg.

  43. SFG says:
    @Anon

    That’s why you need more than one guy who believes in immigration restriction in your government in a staff position.

    (I’m exaggerating, but one of the big problems is they ran out of MAGAites with policy experience and had to staff with old-school globalist pro-business Republicans.)

  44. NYMOM says:

    Steve: Leftist President of Mexico supporter of Trump…

    That will be the day…

    I think we can pretty much count on one other thing besides Death and Taxes: Mexico either left or right will never suport anything that is good for the US…

  45. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border.

    Is Mexico going to start shooting them? Because that’s the only thing that will stem the tide. Either that or mass incarceration, but no-one has the money for that.

    The other possibility might be an internal border wall between the gulf and the pacific, which is far more do-able than one along the US/Mexico border. Problem is that it would be porous to the point of being a joke.

  46. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes

    Trump has gotten no help from most of the Republican party. Trump has tried: legislation (that the Republican Senate wouldn’t pass), troops to the border, and now tariffs.

    Trump hasn’t sent troops to our border, or into Mexico.

  47. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG

    What is your opinion of this?

  48. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    A Pinochet of the left would be a Castro.

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