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From the exit poll on CNN.

Both candidates live in liberal New York, but Trump defeated Clinton by six points among whites in the Empire State. Among white men, Trump crushed Hillary 59-36 in the state of New York.

 
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  1. Hahaha if you look at the poll results, 100% of Dems polled said that Hillary was “honest and trustworthy”.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Of course these were exit polls by CNN, and Andrea Mitchell was holding the mic in one hand and her husband's bloody ritual Illuminati scimitar in the other.

    The cameraman was counting, and dropping, Benjamins.
  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Immigration is all that matters. Demography is destiny.

    It is lunatic insanity to allow mass immigration of other races into your country. It’s sick! It is self dispossession as the evidence shows in the state of NY.

    And no way will the absentee ballots be counted either …which would break hard for Trump.

    • Agree: NickG, Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yep. And we white males are pretty much all alone. I can't wait for white males to leave the scene and all the peoples of color live in harmony and experience ever-burgeoning prosperity. I mean, since building Western civilization white males have been nothing but a burden.

    http://fusion.net/story/368617/exit-polls-asian-americans-supported-trump/

    Exit polls were wrong about how many Asian Americans supported Trump

    The Asian-American National Election Eve Poll concluded that 75% of Asian Americans voted for Clinton, while only 19% voted for Donald Trump—a much wider margin than found by exit polls, which reported 65% of Asian Americans voting for Clinton.

    “Once again, the national media exit-poll numbers for Latinos and Asian Americans didn’t do it right and didn’t get it right,” Taeku Lee, UC Berkeley political science professor and the survey’s lead researcher, said in a release.....

    Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders (AAPIs) are increasingly poised to shape U.S. elections. For two decades, they’ve been the nation’s fastest-growing racial group and one of its fastest-growing electorates. Since 2000, the AAPI electorate has grown by 620,000 voters with each presidential cycle. By 2040, one in every 10 Americans will be AAPI, and the number of AAPI voters will double to 12 million.

    With so many elections determined by unnervingly small margins, Asian Americans have the power to influence outcomes, Ichinose said....

    In key swing states, Asian Americans boosted votes for Clinton, with 83% supporting her in Pennsylvania, 78% in Virginia, 73% in North Carolina, and 72% in Florida.....

    As a whole, Asian Americans held liberal stances on many big issues; most supported protection for undocumented immigrants, the Affordable Care Act, stricter gun laws, and LGBTQ rights.
     

    Still, blacks are even more hopeless. What a pathetic, hopeless demographic.
    , @Bill Jones
    "Immigration is all that matters. Demography is destiny. "

    Well, the hags desire for a nuclear war with Russia looked a bit like destiny to me.
  3. I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…
     
    This vile socialist will probably get re-elected via his hi-low strategy. The high are the wealthy real estate interests he caters to. They love him and his tax breaks for them when they add some (as in a few) affordable housing to a project. So they fund his campaigns. The low are...you know who they are. They are the vote suppliers.

    This very powerful force in NYC is the REBNY/

    Queens Crap: REBNY's ridiculously deep pockets
    Apr 12, 2015 · Members of the Real Estate Board of New York and their firms gave $21.7 million in campaign contributions to state-level elections in the last cycle .. http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2015/04/rebnys-ridiculously-deep-pockets.html
    , @Jefferson
    "I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…"

    If you are going to marry outside of your race, don't marry that racial group's bottom of the barrel leftovers.

    Bill De Blasio's wife is so hideous that even a high percentage of Black men would not tap that.

    If you are going to marry outside of your race, marry someone who is in the same league looks wise as Matthew McConaughey's gorgeous Mulatto wife.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…
     
    57% of New Yorkers live outside the city. Something like 80% of the out-of-city population is white.

    And that's non-Hispanic. I've known several upstate Sanchezes who were indistinguishable from the rest of us appleknockers, but might be listed as Hispanic today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#/media/File:Ancestry-new-york-by_county-2000.PNG

    (Note that the Frogs of Clinton County voted D, unlike their neighbors, as they did in the New Deal.)

    The state's white percentage went from 93.5% in 1950 to 65.8% in 2010. Oddly, the Census Bureau reports that the non-Hispanic white percentage has grown in the last decade:


    i
    White alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) (a)
    70.1%
    i
    White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
    65.7%
     
    Whites in the city are the mobile, crazy, cosmopolitan, coastal variety. They didn"t vote Trump. They're leading the protests!

    Archie did. But his territory has shrunk.

    , @Connecticut Famer
    You mean "Warren Wilhelm", right?
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    BdB was on negative lit pieces for local races from Long Island to the North Country
  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Obama and every other leftist were unelectable with the traditional American demographics that still existed until say 1995.

    Jesse Jackson ran in 1984 on a lunatic leftwing platform. He had no chance to wreck the country back then for one simple reason: demographics.

    We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!

    • Agree: jake, BB753
    • Replies: @Thea
    Yes the borders must close. Without natalism also we are doomed. As much as we may like a sparsely populated country, the demographics are here. We either out breed them or are replaced.
    , @cynthia curran
    Kind of true, but Trump did high in Kern County Ca which has a lot of illegal immigrants because of farmwork but worst in Ford Bend Texas which flipped to Clinton at 6 percent. Austin Texas went for the old hag as much as New York City and it still has less Blacks, Latinos and Asians.
    , @Travis
    The Immigration Act of 1990 was just as destructive, It increased total, overall immigration to allow 700,000 immigrants to come to the U.S. per year, It provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from "low admittance" countries.

    Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically unsound classification of "sexual deviant" that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    After it became law in 1991, the United States would admit 750,000 new Legal immigrants annually, up from 500,000 before the bill's passage. The new system continued to favor people with family members that already in the United States, but added 50,000 "diversity visas" for countries from which few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and 65,000 temporary worker visas. Reversing the 1990 immigration act would be a great start. Need to end the green card lottery ASAP. the lottery alone has resulted in almost 2 million immigrants from third world nations. It is a highly destructive immigration policy. We can thank the Bush clan for this.
    , @unpc downunder
    Obama is only a leftist on social policy and immigration. On economic matters he's a moderate neoliberal, and therefore politically acceptable to most urban white yuppies.

    The Democratic party of the 1980s was much more left-wing on economic matters but couldn't attract much donor support. In the early 90s it shifted to the right on economic policy so as to attract more donor support. A similar thing happened with the UK Labour Party under Tony Blair.

    Trump's defeat of Clinton will lead to an extended period of conflict within the Democrats as the socialist Bernie wing clashes with the neoliberal Clinton/Obama wing.
    , @Corvinus
    "We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!"

    There is no Bolshevik revolution, there is no civil war. More Alt Right nonsense.

    Whites voted for Trump in New York for a myriad of reasons: 1) they preferred him over Hillary as the lesser of two evils, 2) they voted for an anti-establishment candidate, 3) they did not want a woman as president, 4) they were harkened back to the words of Reagan, and 5) they preferred his policies.

    Sailer and company is pushing the narrative that whites in general voted for him because of an emerging white identity. Indeed, some are becoming aware of racial consciousness. But most whites voted due to their ideology.
  5. I find it interesting that Trump got 14% of black men in Pennsylvania. And those are just the ones willing to admit it to a pollster.

    Compare that to the 1% of black women he got there.

    • Replies: @jake
    Black men who have jobs and are married voting for Trump is no surprise to me. The problem for blacks and the country, and the world, is that it seems that black men overwhelmingly prefer to be unemployed and/or unmarried and/or leaving bastards for others to pay for.

    Booker T. Washington knew all that and that when blacks could manage to behave, that 'racist' whites would leave them alone and even become more than distantly friendly toward them.

    And so Booker T. came to be despised by the post WW2 civil rights racket.
    , @anon
    I'm not surprised at the first percentage as black people proportionately stand to gain most from less especially illegal immigration but the male-female disparity was a surprise - media suggestibility? different types of employment?
  6. Upstate NY is almost like Michigan now. Instead of declining auto companies they have Kodak and Xerox and IBM. They hunt deer and have legacy weapons industry like Remington.

    • Agree: Pseudonymic Handle
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    LOL! So hunting deer is a new category? I think it would cover all of Canada (maybe not Prince Edward Island).

    Just joking, it makes sense in the US.
  7. @JohnnyD
    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio's nuttiness...

    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…

    This vile socialist will probably get re-elected via his hi-low strategy. The high are the wealthy real estate interests he caters to. They love him and his tax breaks for them when they add some (as in a few) affordable housing to a project. So they fund his campaigns. The low are…you know who they are. They are the vote suppliers.

    This very powerful force in NYC is the REBNY/

    Queens Crap: REBNY’s ridiculously deep pockets
    Apr 12, 2015 · Members of the Real Estate Board of New York and their firms gave $21.7 million in campaign contributions to state-level elections in the last cycle .. http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2015/04/rebnys-ridiculously-deep-pockets.html

  8. I’ve seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote – curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places – states with large military populations?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    I can't speak to the 20%, but on election day I had a black union electrician, he was wearing a UBEW shirt, make several positive comments about my MAGA hat and give me a thumbs up. There might be a loose military connection, the woman he was sitting with was wearing a "USMC MOM" shirt.
    , @penntothal
    A black family in our neighborhood displayed Trump / Pence signs all over their front yard for a month up to the election. The man of the house is a police officer.

    Blacks in law enforcement generally, probably voted Trump, although most probably kept their support private.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    What kind of black guy would vote against Hillary?

    Now, given his disposition, it makes sense that he would show up to vote.

    Okay, now what kind of black guy would vote for Obama?

    It also makes sense that he doesn't bother to show up to vote for her.

    Trump didn't really get more votes. She just got fewer.

    , @reiner Tor
    I've seen 8% only.
    , @taco
    Why do you think it's so shocking that Trump did relatively well with black men? Furthermore, why do you assume that if Trump did well with black men, he did well with the black men who are most likely to be traditional conservatives (military blacks)?

    Look, a lot of people, including Steve, said from the beginning that Trump had a certain natural appeal to black people that no other GOP candidate has ever had.

    If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it "Tyrone Tower." He would buy a 747 and call it "Tyrone One."

    This is something that people can't seem to wrap their head around. Mitt Romney couldn't get poor whites to vote for him, and he certainly couldn't get blacks to vote for him. Mitt Romney is a rich white guy. Donald Trump IS NOT a rich white guy. Donald Trump is a middle class guy with a ton of money. There is a huge difference.

    Rich white people don't rail against the establishment and the illuminati. They are the establishment and the illuminati.

    Rich white people don't name massive buildings and airplanes after themselves. They are slightly embarrassed of their wealth.

    Rich white people don't marry and then divorce a string of trophy wives. They are generally pretty conservative in their social lives.

    Donald Trump is not a rich white person. Donald Trump is a middle class person who has a lot of money. This is why he got poor and middle class white people to come out of the woodwork to vote for him, and this is why he did better than expected among blacks and hispanics.

    , @anon
    I assumed it would be rust belt areas and places where black people are being pushed out by illegals (but haven't checked).
    , @Gringo
    I’ve seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote – curious as to where he did well with them.

    Here is the breakdown for black men, who constituted 5% of the vote
    Hillary 80
    Trump 13
    Johnson 3
    Stein 3

    The breakdown for black women, who constituted 7% of the vote
    Hillary 94
    Trump 4
    Johnson 1
    Stein 1

    20% of black men vote for non-Democrats, compared to 6% of black women. Overall, 8% of blacks voted for Trump.


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/exit-polls

  9. I was traveling with the family through upstate New York in late summer, and it was clearly Trump country. Impressively so: we saw a number of big, homemade Trump billboards along with numerous smaller lawn signs; but nobody was advertising support for that lady whose name I forget.

    Hit the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown as part of the trip, and it was great.

  10. He lost an incredible 87-10 in Manhattan.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    That is incredible: I'm amazed he did so well.
    , @anon
    sums up the hi-low vs the middle nature of the current conflict
    , @Sutton
    It's like Abraham looking for 10 good men in Sodom.
  11. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    I can’t speak to the 20%, but on election day I had a black union electrician, he was wearing a UBEW shirt, make several positive comments about my MAGA hat and give me a thumbs up. There might be a loose military connection, the woman he was sitting with was wearing a “USMC MOM” shirt.

    • Replies: @Andrew
    Regarding the black and Hispanic vote.

    I took a look at inner city Philly. Trump took Romney's 1% black vote to 2%, and Romney's 4% Puerto Rican vote to 8%. A small but helpful part of winning the state.
  12. I am so not surprised.

    That carpetbagging witch is despised by that portion of New York State’s population that does belong to any ethnic minority that does not vote unanimously for whomever the Democrats put on the ballot. Put differently, most white New Yorkers hate her guts. Many are not crazy about Trump, either. A less controversial Republican could have beat her here. Well, not really, but this is the People’s Republic of New York.

    By way of comparison, white New Yorkers went for Romney 50-48 in 2012, men 53-43. Obama got 4.5 million votes(total), compared to her 4.1 million. That’s a lot of Democrats who went straight home after work. Trump got 2.5 million, compared to Romney’s 2.2.

  13. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    A black family in our neighborhood displayed Trump / Pence signs all over their front yard for a month up to the election. The man of the house is a police officer.

    Blacks in law enforcement generally, probably voted Trump, although most probably kept their support private.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    What part of the country do you live in?
  14. This isn’t related to the topic really.

    But I have an old … I think it is a drill bit sharpener. It is a fairly big piece of heavy equipment (200 pounds maybe?) with two grinding wheels and jigs and fixtures for holding things at different angles. I only use it as a grinder (got a drill doctor and my uncle tried to explain to me once how to sharpen drill bits by hand, but I never got the knack).

    Anyway the thing dates to the 40’s or 50’s. I’d have to look at it to see the manufacturer, but the nameplate proudly says “New York City.”

    Works as well as the day it was built. But it makes me sad sometimes to see that metal plate with the obscure manufacturer that says “New York City.”

    • Replies: @Lot
    There is still a big part of Brooklyn zoned industrial with a dwindling number of factories and other blue collar employment. The owners want to convert then to residential or commercial, the workers there do not.
    , @Antonymous

    Anyway the thing dates to the 40′s or 50′s. I’d have to look at it to see the manufacturer, but the nameplate proudly says “New York City.”

    Works as well as the day it was built. But it makes me sad sometimes to see that metal plate with the obscure manufacturer that says “New York City.”
     
    My old analytical lab had an industrial-scale centrifuge from Detroit, still in regular use, with a date of 1920 on it. We built things well back in the day.
  15. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    What kind of black guy would vote against Hillary?

    Now, given his disposition, it makes sense that he would show up to vote.

    Okay, now what kind of black guy would vote for Obama?

    It also makes sense that he doesn’t bother to show up to vote for her.

    Trump didn’t really get more votes. She just got fewer.

  16. That’s why we need open borders, baby.

    The party is only being started.

    signed,
    we, the anti-Hate committ$$

  17. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    I’ve seen 8% only.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    8% of all blacks, 13% of black males.
  18. The Campaign 2016 for president was, for Democrats, a course in salesmanship at Trump University—tuition-free, and taught by the Master himself.

    Unlikely, thank God, they got anything out of it.

  19. Curious to know how many votes Clinton got from heterosexual white males. I still can’t fathom how any such man in possession of his testicles could vote thusly (and yes, I apparently know more than a few).

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/68201-tonights-debate-prep.html?s=dbfec2aca3a09715297c4cd36702a1d9

    You wanna see something incredibly sad read the above.
  20. @Anonymous
    Obama and every other leftist were unelectable with the traditional American demographics that still existed until say 1995.

    Jesse Jackson ran in 1984 on a lunatic leftwing platform. He had no chance to wreck the country back then for one simple reason: demographics.

    We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!

    Yes the borders must close. Without natalism also we are doomed. As much as we may like a sparsely populated country, the demographics are here. We either out breed them or are replaced.

  21. @reiner Tor
    I've seen 8% only.

    8% of all blacks, 13% of black males.

  22. @Anonymous
    Obama and every other leftist were unelectable with the traditional American demographics that still existed until say 1995.

    Jesse Jackson ran in 1984 on a lunatic leftwing platform. He had no chance to wreck the country back then for one simple reason: demographics.

    We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!

    Kind of true, but Trump did high in Kern County Ca which has a lot of illegal immigrants because of farmwork but worst in Ford Bend Texas which flipped to Clinton at 6 percent. Austin Texas went for the old hag as much as New York City and it still has less Blacks, Latinos and Asians.

  23. Before all the jokes about ‘why’d I vote for Trump? Nunna-ya-f***ing-business!’ start, remember that New York *State* is about 1/2 upstate, which is much more conservative, mostly white, and really resents New York *City*.

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    One source of Upstate anger, at least in my neck of the woods (Central NY) is Governor Cuomo's contemptuous treatment of upstaters, from banning fracking in the Marcellus Shale, pushing gun control thru the legislature, doling out enormous chunks of money to his upstate political friends only (see "Buffalo Billion", a growing scandal) and demanding that the governments of Onondaga County and the City of Syracuse form themselves into one governmental unit, thus making the whites in the suburbs pay taxes to support Syracuse City and its many minority problems. With regard to this last, Cuomo threatened the County and City with retribution if they did not obey his will (exactly what damage he intends to do is so far unspecified).

    The fracking ban, by the way, looks to me to be a variant on the Curley Effect. As Cuomo continues to damage the economic prospects of rural and suburban Western/Central New York, whites are leaving the state.Deliberate? I think so.
    , @Evocatus
    Trump won upstate New York handily and appears to have also narrowly carried Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk counties). He also won about 57 percent of the vote on Staten Island

    http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/trump_flipped_upstate_ny_with_help_from_frustrated_voters_who_picked_obama_in_20.html
    , @Andrew
    SFG: Upstate is around 6.5M out of 19.8M. Trump carried upstate by 50K after coming out of the cities there down 150K.

    Rockland-Nassau-Suffolk-Staten Island about 4.1M. Trump won those by around 50K.

    Still vastly outweighed by rest of NYC and Westchester County at 9.2M voting overwhelmingly Democrat, giving Clinton a 1.66M vote margin.

    The GOP winning NY would take a 70% margin among whites + 50% of the Asian vote, 30% of the Hispanic vote, and 10% of the black vote. Possible, but not likely given the liberalism of whites there.
  24. I have often wondered if the root of white racial animosity in the former industrial states like Ohio, and Pennsylvania has to do more with the fact the blacks were brought to those states to undermine white wages. Upstate New York falls into that category. Like today’s immigrants were supposed to benefit those communities, but the benefits have probably been minimal.

    Higher achieving blacks would probably leave small cities like Youngstown or Williamsport leaving behind lower achieving ones. Case in point for this are cities like Buffalo and Utica in Upstate NY. Steve’s earlier point about Trump’s victory in Missouri may also be due to this trend, but blacks have lived in Missouri for a much longer time than in the Upper Midwest.

    • Replies: @anon

    I have often wondered if the root of white racial animosity in the former industrial states like Ohio, and Pennsylvania has to do more with the fact the blacks were brought to those states to undermine white wages.
     
    that's part of it but the other thing is whenever you have a large manual labor migration, internal or external, the vanguard are mostly young men so you get a lot of violent competition for females.
  25. @Anonymous
    Obama and every other leftist were unelectable with the traditional American demographics that still existed until say 1995.

    Jesse Jackson ran in 1984 on a lunatic leftwing platform. He had no chance to wreck the country back then for one simple reason: demographics.

    We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!

    The Immigration Act of 1990 was just as destructive, It increased total, overall immigration to allow 700,000 immigrants to come to the U.S. per year, It provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from “low admittance” countries.

    Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically unsound classification of “sexual deviant” that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    After it became law in 1991, the United States would admit 750,000 new Legal immigrants annually, up from 500,000 before the bill’s passage. The new system continued to favor people with family members that already in the United States, but added 50,000 “diversity visas” for countries from which few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and 65,000 temporary worker visas. Reversing the 1990 immigration act would be a great start. Need to end the green card lottery ASAP. the lottery alone has resulted in almost 2 million immigrants from third world nations. It is a highly destructive immigration policy. We can thank the Bush clan for this.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    I thought we were at 1.2 million new legal immigrants/year?
    , @Marty T
    This is the time. We have Trump, the Senate and the House. We must repeal both destructive immigration laws.
  26. @SFG
    Before all the jokes about 'why'd I vote for Trump? Nunna-ya-f***ing-business!' start, remember that New York *State* is about 1/2 upstate, which is much more conservative, mostly white, and really resents New York *City*.

    One source of Upstate anger, at least in my neck of the woods (Central NY) is Governor Cuomo’s contemptuous treatment of upstaters, from banning fracking in the Marcellus Shale, pushing gun control thru the legislature, doling out enormous chunks of money to his upstate political friends only (see “Buffalo Billion”, a growing scandal) and demanding that the governments of Onondaga County and the City of Syracuse form themselves into one governmental unit, thus making the whites in the suburbs pay taxes to support Syracuse City and its many minority problems. With regard to this last, Cuomo threatened the County and City with retribution if they did not obey his will (exactly what damage he intends to do is so far unspecified).

    The fracking ban, by the way, looks to me to be a variant on the Curley Effect. As Cuomo continues to damage the economic prospects of rural and suburban Western/Central New York, whites are leaving the state.Deliberate? I think so.

    • Replies: @PistolPete
    Supposedly the Cuomo the father was a good governor. The later generations never seem to be. My family called him one of those "smart Italians, or intellect Italians". Italians get a lot of flack in NY. But they handle it well.
  27. This looks like the (real) beginnings of the Republican Party as a white identity party. The more the Dems identify against whites, the more whites move into the Republican column. It will accelerate as the number of government jobs shrink and more whites are working in the private sector. The reactions of SJW’s to the election, similar to the reaction of Labour after Cameron won – suggests they aren’t remotely close to learning the lesson of this election.

    Also, I wonder if Trump got more black votes in absolute terms, or if he just got a higher percentage of black votes due to a decline in black turnout.

    Two things I predicted prior to this election. One, that black turnout would decline due to black voter fatigue. They’ve had their black president, and nothing else seems quite as good – especially not Hillary Clinton. If Hillary had not followed on the heels of a black president, black voter enthusiasm would be higher. Obama was the money shot for black voters, they’re going to find it hard to readjust to the soft core stuff – especially not if the star is a granny.

    Two, the riots; I absolutely predicted the riots. I was going to finally go out and buy a handgun for self-defense just in case, but I never got around to it. I didn’t exactly expect Trump to win, but mostly that was to temper my hopes. I knew that Trump supporters would turn out to the polls more enthusiastically than Hillary supporters, but (especially with what the polls were saying) I didn’t think it would quite be enough.

  28. Trump carried Staten Island. He also carried most of the Irish and Italian/cops and firemen places in Brooklyn and Queens-Dyker, Gerritsen Beach, Marine Park, Howard Beach, Belle Harbor, Breezy Point. He also carried the Russian emigre communities in Brooklyn-http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/46/all-southern-brooklyn-trump-country-2016-11-11-bk01.html

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah, it's whether you're part of the professional-managerial class or not, I think.
  29. It turned out that an effective dead heat in the popular vote was good enough to let Trump get a comfortable victory in the Electoral College (we assume). This obviously can’t imply that the Trump campaign was more intelligently managed than Clinton’s, can it? Because; obviously.

  30. What about the idea that republicans in CA and NY are less inclined to vote since they know a vote for a republican will have no impact on the vote outcome? I am kind of doubtful of the significance of the argument that the democrat gets the most national votes but the electoral college goes the other way. Those national numbers reflect the low number of republican votes in these two large states. Would like to know the percentage of whites who vote in CA compared to other states.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Whites in CA tend to be well educated and paid newcomers plus older homeowners who often are sitting on paid off million dollar houses. They have very high turnout as you would expect from these demographic factors. Several majority Hispanic rural areas again elected Republican congressmen. Amusingly, two of them have Portuguese last names in districts where the proles all have Spanish names.
  31. 51% of white New Yorkers? Not bad, especially when you consider this statistic includes a certain ethnic group (cough, cough) that only went for Trump by about 25%.

    • Replies: @CCR
    Lucas McCrudy

    51% of white New Yorkers? Not bad, especially when you consider this statistic includes a certain ethnic group (cough, cough) that only went for Trump by about 25%.

    That's (((cough, cough))).
  32. Crooked globalist grifter Clintons were a non-starter for our ethnically mixed family.
    It doesn’t have to be about race, economics “trumps” everything, except resistance to the wildest SJW depredations. Bringing back real work is issue #1 for every unemployed or underemployed person no matter your tint.

  33. @SFG
    Before all the jokes about 'why'd I vote for Trump? Nunna-ya-f***ing-business!' start, remember that New York *State* is about 1/2 upstate, which is much more conservative, mostly white, and really resents New York *City*.

    Trump won upstate New York handily and appears to have also narrowly carried Long Island (Nassau and Suffolk counties). He also won about 57 percent of the vote on Staten Island

    http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/trump_flipped_upstate_ny_with_help_from_frustrated_voters_who_picked_obama_in_20.html

  34. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    Why do you think it’s so shocking that Trump did relatively well with black men? Furthermore, why do you assume that if Trump did well with black men, he did well with the black men who are most likely to be traditional conservatives (military blacks)?

    Look, a lot of people, including Steve, said from the beginning that Trump had a certain natural appeal to black people that no other GOP candidate has ever had.

    If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it “Tyrone Tower.” He would buy a 747 and call it “Tyrone One.”

    This is something that people can’t seem to wrap their head around. Mitt Romney couldn’t get poor whites to vote for him, and he certainly couldn’t get blacks to vote for him. Mitt Romney is a rich white guy. Donald Trump IS NOT a rich white guy. Donald Trump is a middle class guy with a ton of money. There is a huge difference.

    Rich white people don’t rail against the establishment and the illuminati. They are the establishment and the illuminati.

    Rich white people don’t name massive buildings and airplanes after themselves. They are slightly embarrassed of their wealth.

    Rich white people don’t marry and then divorce a string of trophy wives. They are generally pretty conservative in their social lives.

    Donald Trump is not a rich white person. Donald Trump is a middle class person who has a lot of money. This is why he got poor and middle class white people to come out of the woodwork to vote for him, and this is why he did better than expected among blacks and hispanics.

    • Agree: Dumbo, PV van der Byl
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This is something that people can’t seem to wrap their head around. Mitt Romney couldn’t get poor whites to vote for him, and he certainly couldn’t get blacks to vote for him. Mitt Romney is a rich white guy. Donald Trump IS NOT a rich white guy. Donald Trump is a middle class guy with a ton of money. There is a huge difference
     
    This is how I'd be if I had a ton of money. As a middle-class guy on an average income in Boston I have refined and classic tastes and make snarky comments about gaudy, nouveau riche things. "Obviously some NBA player is building that tack-o-rama mansion."

    But somehow if my net worth became a billion dollars I know I'd probably be a cross between Trump and Floyd Mayweather. I'd have a über-tacky, Queen of Versailles place in Florida with a gold-plated Bugatti. I'd have lots of lavish parties and lots of exotic women and a pool in the shape of a dollar sign. This seems more fun to me than the "dignified" and depressing old money lifestyle.

    , @Jefferson
    "If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it “Tyrone Tower.” He would buy a 747 and call it “Tyrone One.”

    Black support for Donald Trump is overwhelmingly of the Non Tyrone variety. The Black Donald Trump supporters I've seen on Fox News have a more impressive vocabulary than the average American Negro, meaning English and not Ebonics is their first language.
  35. White men without college degrees pretty much bloc vote for the Republicans now. But that this is happening is mostly the fault of the Democrats.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "White men without college degrees pretty much bloc vote for the Republicans now. But that this is happening is mostly the fault of the Democrats."

    The biggest voting bloc for Donald Trump and The GOP in general are White Evangelicals, 81 percent. Not even White men without college degrees vote Republican at that high of a rate.

    White Evangelicals get twice the hatred from the Left that regular Whites do. Regular Whites are hated only for racial reasons, with White Evangelicals add religious hatred of them on top of them already being hated for being White.

    When Fox News had a panel interviewing White Evangelicals on why they voted so strongly as a group for Donald Trump, they said because they feel The Donald strongly respects and would fight for their religious liberty. They feel a Crooked Hillary presidency would intrude on their religious liberties.

  36. One of the more interesting consequences of the Electoral College and the current composition of the swing states is that those states have been relatively impervious to the demographic changes of immigration.

    Nate Silver implies this point:

    There just aren’t enough electoral votes in swing states elsewhere in the country for a Democrat to survive a Midwestern collapse. Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa and Pennsylvania (which is not a part of the geographic Midwest, but which functions like a Midwestern state politically) together have 80 electoral votes. Lose all of those states, and a Democrat would still lose even with Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia in her column.

    Eventually, Democrats will find new battleground states. Clinton came closer to winning Arizona and Georgia than she did to winning Ohio, and closer to winning Texas than she did to winning Iowa. By 2024 or 2028, these may all have become purple states. In the interim, the Electoral College could get awkward for Democrats, with states such as Pennsylvania having gone from bluish to reddish, and states like Arizona and Georgia becoming more purple, but taking their time to get there. The Electoral College was already pretty awkward for them this year, obviously, which is why our model showed more than a 10 percent chance of a popular vote/Electoral College split in Trump’s favor.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

    What this fact entails is that the Sailer Strategy would seem to enjoy a relatively long future — perhaps enough time to fix the underlying demographics in other ways, such as by greatly restricting immigration, or even by the encouragement of greater fertility among whites.

    Between the Electoral College and the general delay of the Latino Tide until manana, there’s a great opportunity for this country to rise above an unending battle over “Who, whom?”

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    Those states have seen what happened in NY, AZ, and CA and they don't want it happening near them. Having moved from So Cal to the midwest, I definitely sense the trepidation. They don't want their communities to become balkanized like the large coastal cities.
    , @Andrew
    The Sailer Strategy not only prayed open the 80 electoral votes of the Midwest, but also the 8 votes in Maine and New Hampshire. It also was surprisingly impactful in Rhode Island, which saw as large an shift in partisanship as Maine, Ohio, and Iowa.

    It had no net effect on partisanship in CT-NJ-NV-CO-NM.

    It had a negative effect not only in AZ-GA-TX-VA, but also WA.

    MA-MD-CA-IL proved imperviously liberal, NY-VT-HI shifted, but not enough to be remotely close.

    The shape of things to come will depend on whether Trump can bring middle of the road white suburbanites in Denver, Detroit, Atlanta, Philly, Connecticut, both Portlands into his coalition to cement a hold on the north, perhaps if their defection was an anomalous function of the woman card and pussy grabbing, and what happens with immigration and deportations.
  37. @SFG
    Before all the jokes about 'why'd I vote for Trump? Nunna-ya-f***ing-business!' start, remember that New York *State* is about 1/2 upstate, which is much more conservative, mostly white, and really resents New York *City*.

    SFG: Upstate is around 6.5M out of 19.8M. Trump carried upstate by 50K after coming out of the cities there down 150K.

    Rockland-Nassau-Suffolk-Staten Island about 4.1M. Trump won those by around 50K.

    Still vastly outweighed by rest of NYC and Westchester County at 9.2M voting overwhelmingly Democrat, giving Clinton a 1.66M vote margin.

    The GOP winning NY would take a 70% margin among whites + 50% of the Asian vote, 30% of the Hispanic vote, and 10% of the black vote. Possible, but not likely given the liberalism of whites there.

    • Replies: @Nico

    The GOP winning NY would take a 70% margin among whites + 50% of the Asian vote, 30% of the Hispanic vote, and 10% of the black vote. Possible, but not likely given the liberalism of whites there.
     
    A collapse in black, Hispanic and Asian turnout could cut away at those margins. But I agree: breaking 10% and 30% among respectively black and Hispanic New Yorkers in the same year is unlikely but is far likelier than breaking even 60% among whites. On the other hand, a collapse in Asian turnout or even a swing to the right is a real possibility if a Trump-appointee-led SCOTUS continues to erode Affirmative Action and the new administration provokes the academy and especially in the Ivies into getting more frontal about it.
  38. @candid_observer
    One of the more interesting consequences of the Electoral College and the current composition of the swing states is that those states have been relatively impervious to the demographic changes of immigration.

    Nate Silver implies this point:


    There just aren’t enough electoral votes in swing states elsewhere in the country for a Democrat to survive a Midwestern collapse. Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa and Pennsylvania (which is not a part of the geographic Midwest, but which functions like a Midwestern state politically) together have 80 electoral votes. Lose all of those states, and a Democrat would still lose even with Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia in her column.

    Eventually, Democrats will find new battleground states. Clinton came closer to winning Arizona and Georgia than she did to winning Ohio, and closer to winning Texas than she did to winning Iowa. By 2024 or 2028, these may all have become purple states. In the interim, the Electoral College could get awkward for Democrats, with states such as Pennsylvania having gone from bluish to reddish, and states like Arizona and Georgia becoming more purple, but taking their time to get there. The Electoral College was already pretty awkward for them this year, obviously, which is why our model showed more than a 10 percent chance of a popular vote/Electoral College split in Trump’s favor.
     

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

    What this fact entails is that the Sailer Strategy would seem to enjoy a relatively long future -- perhaps enough time to fix the underlying demographics in other ways, such as by greatly restricting immigration, or even by the encouragement of greater fertility among whites.

    Between the Electoral College and the general delay of the Latino Tide until manana, there's a great opportunity for this country to rise above an unending battle over "Who, whom?"

    Those states have seen what happened in NY, AZ, and CA and they don’t want it happening near them. Having moved from So Cal to the midwest, I definitely sense the trepidation. They don’t want their communities to become balkanized like the large coastal cities.

    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    My cousin, born and raised in SoCal, now living near Oxnard, has thrown in the towel and wants out. She lives in what looks initially as a nice area but you don't have to go far before encountering The Element.
  39. I wonder how the establishment feels about the fact that Donald J. Trump won states that their pathetic boy Mitt Romney failed to win.

    Donald J. Trump won states that have not gone Republican since Win Just One For The Gipper. That is why pro-Trump supporters on Fox News like Sean Hannity and Katrina Pierson love comparing him to Ronald Reagan.

    Hopefully The Donald also gets 8 years in power like Ronnie did.

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Immigration is all that matters. Demography is destiny.

    It is lunatic insanity to allow mass immigration of other races into your country. It's sick! It is self dispossession as the evidence shows in the state of NY.

    And no way will the absentee ballots be counted either ...which would break hard for Trump.

    Yep. And we white males are pretty much all alone. I can’t wait for white males to leave the scene and all the peoples of color live in harmony and experience ever-burgeoning prosperity. I mean, since building Western civilization white males have been nothing but a burden.

    http://fusion.net/story/368617/exit-polls-asian-americans-supported-trump/

    Exit polls were wrong about how many Asian Americans supported Trump

    The Asian-American National Election Eve Poll concluded that 75% of Asian Americans voted for Clinton, while only 19% voted for Donald Trump—a much wider margin than found by exit polls, which reported 65% of Asian Americans voting for Clinton.

    “Once again, the national media exit-poll numbers for Latinos and Asian Americans didn’t do it right and didn’t get it right,” Taeku Lee, UC Berkeley political science professor and the survey’s lead researcher, said in a release…..

    Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders (AAPIs) are increasingly poised to shape U.S. elections. For two decades, they’ve been the nation’s fastest-growing racial group and one of its fastest-growing electorates. Since 2000, the AAPI electorate has grown by 620,000 voters with each presidential cycle. By 2040, one in every 10 Americans will be AAPI, and the number of AAPI voters will double to 12 million.

    With so many elections determined by unnervingly small margins, Asian Americans have the power to influence outcomes, Ichinose said….

    In key swing states, Asian Americans boosted votes for Clinton, with 83% supporting her in Pennsylvania, 78% in Virginia, 73% in North Carolina, and 72% in Florida…..

    As a whole, Asian Americans held liberal stances on many big issues; most supported protection for undocumented immigrants, the Affordable Care Act, stricter gun laws, and LGBTQ rights.

    Still, blacks are even more hopeless. What a pathetic, hopeless demographic.

  41. @eD
    White men without college degrees pretty much bloc vote for the Republicans now. But that this is happening is mostly the fault of the Democrats.

    “White men without college degrees pretty much bloc vote for the Republicans now. But that this is happening is mostly the fault of the Democrats.”

    The biggest voting bloc for Donald Trump and The GOP in general are White Evangelicals, 81 percent. Not even White men without college degrees vote Republican at that high of a rate.

    White Evangelicals get twice the hatred from the Left that regular Whites do. Regular Whites are hated only for racial reasons, with White Evangelicals add religious hatred of them on top of them already being hated for being White.

    When Fox News had a panel interviewing White Evangelicals on why they voted so strongly as a group for Donald Trump, they said because they feel The Donald strongly respects and would fight for their religious liberty. They feel a Crooked Hillary presidency would intrude on their religious liberties.

  42. @candid_observer
    One of the more interesting consequences of the Electoral College and the current composition of the swing states is that those states have been relatively impervious to the demographic changes of immigration.

    Nate Silver implies this point:


    There just aren’t enough electoral votes in swing states elsewhere in the country for a Democrat to survive a Midwestern collapse. Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa and Pennsylvania (which is not a part of the geographic Midwest, but which functions like a Midwestern state politically) together have 80 electoral votes. Lose all of those states, and a Democrat would still lose even with Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, Nevada, Virginia in her column.

    Eventually, Democrats will find new battleground states. Clinton came closer to winning Arizona and Georgia than she did to winning Ohio, and closer to winning Texas than she did to winning Iowa. By 2024 or 2028, these may all have become purple states. In the interim, the Electoral College could get awkward for Democrats, with states such as Pennsylvania having gone from bluish to reddish, and states like Arizona and Georgia becoming more purple, but taking their time to get there. The Electoral College was already pretty awkward for them this year, obviously, which is why our model showed more than a 10 percent chance of a popular vote/Electoral College split in Trump’s favor.
     

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

    What this fact entails is that the Sailer Strategy would seem to enjoy a relatively long future -- perhaps enough time to fix the underlying demographics in other ways, such as by greatly restricting immigration, or even by the encouragement of greater fertility among whites.

    Between the Electoral College and the general delay of the Latino Tide until manana, there's a great opportunity for this country to rise above an unending battle over "Who, whom?"

    The Sailer Strategy not only prayed open the 80 electoral votes of the Midwest, but also the 8 votes in Maine and New Hampshire. It also was surprisingly impactful in Rhode Island, which saw as large an shift in partisanship as Maine, Ohio, and Iowa.

    It had no net effect on partisanship in CT-NJ-NV-CO-NM.

    It had a negative effect not only in AZ-GA-TX-VA, but also WA.

    MA-MD-CA-IL proved imperviously liberal, NY-VT-HI shifted, but not enough to be remotely close.

    The shape of things to come will depend on whether Trump can bring middle of the road white suburbanites in Denver, Detroit, Atlanta, Philly, Connecticut, both Portlands into his coalition to cement a hold on the north, perhaps if their defection was an anomalous function of the woman card and pussy grabbing, and what happens with immigration and deportations.

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @taco
    Why do you think it's so shocking that Trump did relatively well with black men? Furthermore, why do you assume that if Trump did well with black men, he did well with the black men who are most likely to be traditional conservatives (military blacks)?

    Look, a lot of people, including Steve, said from the beginning that Trump had a certain natural appeal to black people that no other GOP candidate has ever had.

    If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it "Tyrone Tower." He would buy a 747 and call it "Tyrone One."

    This is something that people can't seem to wrap their head around. Mitt Romney couldn't get poor whites to vote for him, and he certainly couldn't get blacks to vote for him. Mitt Romney is a rich white guy. Donald Trump IS NOT a rich white guy. Donald Trump is a middle class guy with a ton of money. There is a huge difference.

    Rich white people don't rail against the establishment and the illuminati. They are the establishment and the illuminati.

    Rich white people don't name massive buildings and airplanes after themselves. They are slightly embarrassed of their wealth.

    Rich white people don't marry and then divorce a string of trophy wives. They are generally pretty conservative in their social lives.

    Donald Trump is not a rich white person. Donald Trump is a middle class person who has a lot of money. This is why he got poor and middle class white people to come out of the woodwork to vote for him, and this is why he did better than expected among blacks and hispanics.

    This is something that people can’t seem to wrap their head around. Mitt Romney couldn’t get poor whites to vote for him, and he certainly couldn’t get blacks to vote for him. Mitt Romney is a rich white guy. Donald Trump IS NOT a rich white guy. Donald Trump is a middle class guy with a ton of money. There is a huge difference

    This is how I’d be if I had a ton of money. As a middle-class guy on an average income in Boston I have refined and classic tastes and make snarky comments about gaudy, nouveau riche things. “Obviously some NBA player is building that tack-o-rama mansion.”

    But somehow if my net worth became a billion dollars I know I’d probably be a cross between Trump and Floyd Mayweather. I’d have a über-tacky, Queen of Versailles place in Florida with a gold-plated Bugatti. I’d have lots of lavish parties and lots of exotic women and a pool in the shape of a dollar sign. This seems more fun to me than the “dignified” and depressing old money lifestyle.

  44. @JohnnyD
    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio's nuttiness...

    “I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…”

    If you are going to marry outside of your race, don’t marry that racial group’s bottom of the barrel leftovers.

    Bill De Blasio’s wife is so hideous that even a high percentage of Black men would not tap that.

    If you are going to marry outside of your race, marry someone who is in the same league looks wise as Matthew McConaughey’s gorgeous Mulatto wife.

  45. @taco
    Why do you think it's so shocking that Trump did relatively well with black men? Furthermore, why do you assume that if Trump did well with black men, he did well with the black men who are most likely to be traditional conservatives (military blacks)?

    Look, a lot of people, including Steve, said from the beginning that Trump had a certain natural appeal to black people that no other GOP candidate has ever had.

    If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it "Tyrone Tower." He would buy a 747 and call it "Tyrone One."

    This is something that people can't seem to wrap their head around. Mitt Romney couldn't get poor whites to vote for him, and he certainly couldn't get blacks to vote for him. Mitt Romney is a rich white guy. Donald Trump IS NOT a rich white guy. Donald Trump is a middle class guy with a ton of money. There is a huge difference.

    Rich white people don't rail against the establishment and the illuminati. They are the establishment and the illuminati.

    Rich white people don't name massive buildings and airplanes after themselves. They are slightly embarrassed of their wealth.

    Rich white people don't marry and then divorce a string of trophy wives. They are generally pretty conservative in their social lives.

    Donald Trump is not a rich white person. Donald Trump is a middle class person who has a lot of money. This is why he got poor and middle class white people to come out of the woodwork to vote for him, and this is why he did better than expected among blacks and hispanics.

    “If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it “Tyrone Tower.” He would buy a 747 and call it “Tyrone One.”

    Black support for Donald Trump is overwhelmingly of the Non Tyrone variety. The Black Donald Trump supporters I’ve seen on Fox News have a more impressive vocabulary than the average American Negro, meaning English and not Ebonics is their first language.

    • Replies: @anon

    Black support for Donald Trump is overwhelmingly of the Non Tyrone variety.
     
    Yes, the electrician, cop type demographic.
  46. @JohnnyD
    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio's nuttiness...

    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…

    57% of New Yorkers live outside the city. Something like 80% of the out-of-city population is white.

    And that’s non-Hispanic. I’ve known several upstate Sanchezes who were indistinguishable from the rest of us appleknockers, but might be listed as Hispanic today.

    (Note that the Frogs of Clinton County voted D, unlike their neighbors, as they did in the New Deal.)

    The state’s white percentage went from 93.5% in 1950 to 65.8% in 2010. Oddly, the Census Bureau reports that the non-Hispanic white percentage has grown in the last decade:

    i
    White alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) (a)
    70.1%
    i
    White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
    65.7%

    Whites in the city are the mobile, crazy, cosmopolitan, coastal variety. They didn”t vote Trump. They’re leading the protests!

    Archie did. But his territory has shrunk.

    • Replies: @Ed
    NYC metro is emptying of working class blacks & Puerto Ricans. If they can't get jobs in municipal government many decamp for VA, GA or FL.

    What often happens is one relative moves down, family member visits is told how much rent/mortgage is and within a year entire family relocates.

    It doesn't show up in the numbers much because of immigration.
    , @Tony
    White alone does not mean non hispanic white. The non hispanic white population has not gone up as a percentage of the total population if you look at the other races. Black, hispanic, and asian have all gone up as a percentage of total population which means non hispanic white went down. There's no other way around it.
  47. @Chris Mallory
    I can't speak to the 20%, but on election day I had a black union electrician, he was wearing a UBEW shirt, make several positive comments about my MAGA hat and give me a thumbs up. There might be a loose military connection, the woman he was sitting with was wearing a "USMC MOM" shirt.

    Regarding the black and Hispanic vote.

    I took a look at inner city Philly. Trump took Romney’s 1% black vote to 2%, and Romney’s 4% Puerto Rican vote to 8%. A small but helpful part of winning the state.

  48. For the 2012 election, CNN laid out the demographics of the Democrat and of the Republican voters as blocs. It revealed, for example, that 90% of Romney’s votes came from Whites. Very important info to have.

    I have been unable to find a similar breakdown of the Blues and the Reds this time. Anyone know where I can find this?

  49. @Another Canadian
    I find it interesting that Trump got 14% of black men in Pennsylvania. And those are just the ones willing to admit it to a pollster.

    Compare that to the 1% of black women he got there.

    Black men who have jobs and are married voting for Trump is no surprise to me. The problem for blacks and the country, and the world, is that it seems that black men overwhelmingly prefer to be unemployed and/or unmarried and/or leaving bastards for others to pay for.

    Booker T. Washington knew all that and that when blacks could manage to behave, that ‘racist’ whites would leave them alone and even become more than distantly friendly toward them.

    And so Booker T. came to be despised by the post WW2 civil rights racket.

  50. @penntothal
    A black family in our neighborhood displayed Trump / Pence signs all over their front yard for a month up to the election. The man of the house is a police officer.

    Blacks in law enforcement generally, probably voted Trump, although most probably kept their support private.

    What part of the country do you live in?

  51. @Travis
    The Immigration Act of 1990 was just as destructive, It increased total, overall immigration to allow 700,000 immigrants to come to the U.S. per year, It provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from "low admittance" countries.

    Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically unsound classification of "sexual deviant" that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    After it became law in 1991, the United States would admit 750,000 new Legal immigrants annually, up from 500,000 before the bill's passage. The new system continued to favor people with family members that already in the United States, but added 50,000 "diversity visas" for countries from which few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and 65,000 temporary worker visas. Reversing the 1990 immigration act would be a great start. Need to end the green card lottery ASAP. the lottery alone has resulted in almost 2 million immigrants from third world nations. It is a highly destructive immigration policy. We can thank the Bush clan for this.

    I thought we were at 1.2 million new legal immigrants/year?

    • Replies: @Travis
    true, the act increased immigration to 750,000 per year in 1992, 1993 and then it started to go even higher
  52. Here’s something I like about Trump.

    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a US politician in possession of name recognition, must be in want of recreational sex. This gets any number of middle aged male politicians into trouble, Clinton, Spitzer, Weiner and many, many others.

    However, because of the demands of the job and the fact that every single thing these men do comes under scrutiny, they can’t make quick sex tours of Thailand while the government is shut down for the summer, so they tend to start picking on the help, going online, or hitting on whatever women can get inside their protective bubble, and the results are not pretty.

    I mean look at Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broadrick–these are not women that I would personally give a second glance, but then I am not a politician, but then neither would Donald Trump who has been married to three female A-listers and presumably had a flings with other model types.

    So I suspect that having reached the age of 70 with a good sex life behind him, Trump is going to be much less prone to ludicrous displays of virility and chest-beating in policy making, and it will be hard to corrupt him with honey-traps. At last we have a President who really IS a family values type of guy, and is bringing his family into office at the Washington Trump White House to prove it.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    look at Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broadrick–these are not women that I would personally give a second glance
     
    Paula can scrub up quite well and Monica has definitely got something about her.
  53. @Sunbeam
    This isn't related to the topic really.

    But I have an old ... I think it is a drill bit sharpener. It is a fairly big piece of heavy equipment (200 pounds maybe?) with two grinding wheels and jigs and fixtures for holding things at different angles. I only use it as a grinder (got a drill doctor and my uncle tried to explain to me once how to sharpen drill bits by hand, but I never got the knack).

    Anyway the thing dates to the 40's or 50's. I'd have to look at it to see the manufacturer, but the nameplate proudly says "New York City."

    Works as well as the day it was built. But it makes me sad sometimes to see that metal plate with the obscure manufacturer that says "New York City."

    There is still a big part of Brooklyn zoned industrial with a dwindling number of factories and other blue collar employment. The owners want to convert then to residential or commercial, the workers there do not.

  54. @Mikey Darmody
    Hahaha if you look at the poll results, 100% of Dems polled said that Hillary was "honest and trustworthy".

    Of course these were exit polls by CNN, and Andrea Mitchell was holding the mic in one hand and her husband’s bloody ritual Illuminati scimitar in the other.

    The cameraman was counting, and dropping, Benjamins.

  55. @Another Canadian
    I find it interesting that Trump got 14% of black men in Pennsylvania. And those are just the ones willing to admit it to a pollster.

    Compare that to the 1% of black women he got there.

    I’m not surprised at the first percentage as black people proportionately stand to gain most from less especially illegal immigration but the male-female disparity was a surprise – media suggestibility? different types of employment?

  56. @Steve Richter
    What about the idea that republicans in CA and NY are less inclined to vote since they know a vote for a republican will have no impact on the vote outcome? I am kind of doubtful of the significance of the argument that the democrat gets the most national votes but the electoral college goes the other way. Those national numbers reflect the low number of republican votes in these two large states. Would like to know the percentage of whites who vote in CA compared to other states.

    Whites in CA tend to be well educated and paid newcomers plus older homeowners who often are sitting on paid off million dollar houses. They have very high turnout as you would expect from these demographic factors. Several majority Hispanic rural areas again elected Republican congressmen. Amusingly, two of them have Portuguese last names in districts where the proles all have Spanish names.

  57. @Bugg
    Trump carried Staten Island. He also carried most of the Irish and Italian/cops and firemen places in Brooklyn and Queens-Dyker, Gerritsen Beach, Marine Park, Howard Beach, Belle Harbor, Breezy Point. He also carried the Russian emigre communities in Brooklyn-http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/46/all-southern-brooklyn-trump-country-2016-11-11-bk01.html

    Yeah, it’s whether you’re part of the professional-managerial class or not, I think.

  58. @JohnnyD
    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio's nuttiness...

    You mean “Warren Wilhelm”, right?

  59. My town of Stamford, CT, went head over heels for Nurse Ratched. Not even close. Stamford used to be working class and heavily laden with Slavs, Italians and Irish. Their numbers are diminishing by the day, however, having either either passed away or left for FL and a lower cost of living, leaving either well-heeled types or The Fringes. Similar to NYC albeit on a smaller scale

  60. @Seth Largo
    Those states have seen what happened in NY, AZ, and CA and they don't want it happening near them. Having moved from So Cal to the midwest, I definitely sense the trepidation. They don't want their communities to become balkanized like the large coastal cities.

    My cousin, born and raised in SoCal, now living near Oxnard, has thrown in the towel and wants out. She lives in what looks initially as a nice area but you don’t have to go far before encountering The Element.

  61. @Andrew
    SFG: Upstate is around 6.5M out of 19.8M. Trump carried upstate by 50K after coming out of the cities there down 150K.

    Rockland-Nassau-Suffolk-Staten Island about 4.1M. Trump won those by around 50K.

    Still vastly outweighed by rest of NYC and Westchester County at 9.2M voting overwhelmingly Democrat, giving Clinton a 1.66M vote margin.

    The GOP winning NY would take a 70% margin among whites + 50% of the Asian vote, 30% of the Hispanic vote, and 10% of the black vote. Possible, but not likely given the liberalism of whites there.

    The GOP winning NY would take a 70% margin among whites + 50% of the Asian vote, 30% of the Hispanic vote, and 10% of the black vote. Possible, but not likely given the liberalism of whites there.

    A collapse in black, Hispanic and Asian turnout could cut away at those margins. But I agree: breaking 10% and 30% among respectively black and Hispanic New Yorkers in the same year is unlikely but is far likelier than breaking even 60% among whites. On the other hand, a collapse in Asian turnout or even a swing to the right is a real possibility if a Trump-appointee-led SCOTUS continues to erode Affirmative Action and the new administration provokes the academy and especially in the Ivies into getting more frontal about it.

  62. @Travis
    The Immigration Act of 1990 was just as destructive, It increased total, overall immigration to allow 700,000 immigrants to come to the U.S. per year, It provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from "low admittance" countries.

    Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization and eliminating the exclusion of homosexuals under the medically unsound classification of "sexual deviant" that was present in the passage of the 1965 Act.

    After it became law in 1991, the United States would admit 750,000 new Legal immigrants annually, up from 500,000 before the bill's passage. The new system continued to favor people with family members that already in the United States, but added 50,000 "diversity visas" for countries from which few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and 65,000 temporary worker visas. Reversing the 1990 immigration act would be a great start. Need to end the green card lottery ASAP. the lottery alone has resulted in almost 2 million immigrants from third world nations. It is a highly destructive immigration policy. We can thank the Bush clan for this.

    This is the time. We have Trump, the Senate and the House. We must repeal both destructive immigration laws.

  63. The work must be done to cut third world immigration now. Trump got lucky against a bad candidate. Those Midwestern states are promising but Trump’s decreased margins in Arizona, Georgia and Texas are concerning. A purple Texas will be a big problem for the GOP. Texas Republicans must do what they can to prevent this.

  64. @Anonymous
    Obama and every other leftist were unelectable with the traditional American demographics that still existed until say 1995.

    Jesse Jackson ran in 1984 on a lunatic leftwing platform. He had no chance to wreck the country back then for one simple reason: demographics.

    We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!

    Obama is only a leftist on social policy and immigration. On economic matters he’s a moderate neoliberal, and therefore politically acceptable to most urban white yuppies.

    The Democratic party of the 1980s was much more left-wing on economic matters but couldn’t attract much donor support. In the early 90s it shifted to the right on economic policy so as to attract more donor support. A similar thing happened with the UK Labour Party under Tony Blair.

    Trump’s defeat of Clinton will lead to an extended period of conflict within the Democrats as the socialist Bernie wing clashes with the neoliberal Clinton/Obama wing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Obama is only a leftist on social policy and immigration"

    Homo decadence, hedonist excess, and scab mass invasion were never classic leftist themes.

    True left was spartan and austere.

    http://www.stalinsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/young-steel-workers.jpg

    It was driven by having too little and struggling for basics.

    Today's so-called 'leftism' is the product of having too much and whining about nonsense with ring in the nose and green hair.

    Marx would have puked.
  65. @JohnnyD
    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio's nuttiness...

    BdB was on negative lit pieces for local races from Long Island to the North Country

  66. @George
    Upstate NY is almost like Michigan now. Instead of declining auto companies they have Kodak and Xerox and IBM. They hunt deer and have legacy weapons industry like Remington.

    LOL! So hunting deer is a new category? I think it would cover all of Canada (maybe not Prince Edward Island).

    Just joking, it makes sense in the US.

  67. @Anonymous
    Obama and every other leftist were unelectable with the traditional American demographics that still existed until say 1995.

    Jesse Jackson ran in 1984 on a lunatic leftwing platform. He had no chance to wreck the country back then for one simple reason: demographics.

    We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!

    “We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!”

    There is no Bolshevik revolution, there is no civil war. More Alt Right nonsense.

    Whites voted for Trump in New York for a myriad of reasons: 1) they preferred him over Hillary as the lesser of two evils, 2) they voted for an anti-establishment candidate, 3) they did not want a woman as president, 4) they were harkened back to the words of Reagan, and 5) they preferred his policies.

    Sailer and company is pushing the narrative that whites in general voted for him because of an emerging white identity. Indeed, some are becoming aware of racial consciousness. But most whites voted due to their ideology.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    According to free trade critic Ian Fletcher, America started opening up its markets in the mid 1960s in a bid to convert the world towards America capitalistic values and undermine support for communism. Given the strong correlation between free trade and open borders, it wouldn't surprise if changes in immigration policy at that times were also influenced by wrong-headed ideas about fighting communism - let more non-whites into America and get them to spread the world about how wonderful and prosperous capitalist America is. Such a belief would only have intensified as the body bags started coming back from Vietnam.

    Ironically, open, liberal America is now losing out to the post-communist state capitalism of China, while low-income immigrants demand increasing levels of government welfare.
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…
     
    57% of New Yorkers live outside the city. Something like 80% of the out-of-city population is white.

    And that's non-Hispanic. I've known several upstate Sanchezes who were indistinguishable from the rest of us appleknockers, but might be listed as Hispanic today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#/media/File:Ancestry-new-york-by_county-2000.PNG

    (Note that the Frogs of Clinton County voted D, unlike their neighbors, as they did in the New Deal.)

    The state's white percentage went from 93.5% in 1950 to 65.8% in 2010. Oddly, the Census Bureau reports that the non-Hispanic white percentage has grown in the last decade:


    i
    White alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) (a)
    70.1%
    i
    White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
    65.7%
     
    Whites in the city are the mobile, crazy, cosmopolitan, coastal variety. They didn"t vote Trump. They're leading the protests!

    Archie did. But his territory has shrunk.

    NYC metro is emptying of working class blacks & Puerto Ricans. If they can’t get jobs in municipal government many decamp for VA, GA or FL.

    What often happens is one relative moves down, family member visits is told how much rent/mortgage is and within a year entire family relocates.

    It doesn’t show up in the numbers much because of immigration.

  69. Trump’s shootout with Both political parties.

  70. @Anonymous
    He lost an incredible 87-10 in Manhattan.

    That is incredible: I’m amazed he did so well.

  71. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder
    Obama is only a leftist on social policy and immigration. On economic matters he's a moderate neoliberal, and therefore politically acceptable to most urban white yuppies.

    The Democratic party of the 1980s was much more left-wing on economic matters but couldn't attract much donor support. In the early 90s it shifted to the right on economic policy so as to attract more donor support. A similar thing happened with the UK Labour Party under Tony Blair.

    Trump's defeat of Clinton will lead to an extended period of conflict within the Democrats as the socialist Bernie wing clashes with the neoliberal Clinton/Obama wing.

    “Obama is only a leftist on social policy and immigration”

    Homo decadence, hedonist excess, and scab mass invasion were never classic leftist themes.

    True left was spartan and austere.

    It was driven by having too little and struggling for basics.

    Today’s so-called ‘leftism’ is the product of having too much and whining about nonsense with ring in the nose and green hair.

    Marx would have puked.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  72. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    I assumed it would be rust belt areas and places where black people are being pushed out by illegals (but haven’t checked).

  73. @Anonymous
    He lost an incredible 87-10 in Manhattan.

    sums up the hi-low vs the middle nature of the current conflict

  74. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptic Semite
    I have often wondered if the root of white racial animosity in the former industrial states like Ohio, and Pennsylvania has to do more with the fact the blacks were brought to those states to undermine white wages. Upstate New York falls into that category. Like today's immigrants were supposed to benefit those communities, but the benefits have probably been minimal.

    Higher achieving blacks would probably leave small cities like Youngstown or Williamsport leaving behind lower achieving ones. Case in point for this are cities like Buffalo and Utica in Upstate NY. Steve's earlier point about Trump's victory in Missouri may also be due to this trend, but blacks have lived in Missouri for a much longer time than in the Upper Midwest.

    I have often wondered if the root of white racial animosity in the former industrial states like Ohio, and Pennsylvania has to do more with the fact the blacks were brought to those states to undermine white wages.

    that’s part of it but the other thing is whenever you have a large manual labor migration, internal or external, the vanguard are mostly young men so you get a lot of violent competition for females.

  75. @Lucas McCrudy
    51% of white New Yorkers? Not bad, especially when you consider this statistic includes a certain ethnic group (cough, cough) that only went for Trump by about 25%.

    Lucas McCrudy

    51% of white New Yorkers? Not bad, especially when you consider this statistic includes a certain ethnic group (cough, cough) that only went for Trump by about 25%.

    That’s (((cough, cough))).

  76. @Jefferson
    "If you gave your average Tyrone $10 billion, he would build a massive skyscraper, with opulent gold toilets and ludicrous columns and brazenly flaunt his wealth by naming it “Tyrone Tower.” He would buy a 747 and call it “Tyrone One.”

    Black support for Donald Trump is overwhelmingly of the Non Tyrone variety. The Black Donald Trump supporters I've seen on Fox News have a more impressive vocabulary than the average American Negro, meaning English and not Ebonics is their first language.

    Black support for Donald Trump is overwhelmingly of the Non Tyrone variety.

    Yes, the electrician, cop type demographic.

    • Replies: @Thea
    I bet a lot of vets in that group as well.
  77. @Anonymous
    He lost an incredible 87-10 in Manhattan.

    It’s like Abraham looking for 10 good men in Sodom.

  78. @Arclight
    I've seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote - curious as to where he did well with them. Obviously not in NY, and there must be areas where he had greater than 20% black male support. Where are these places - states with large military populations?

    I’ve seen that Trump got 20% of the black male vote – curious as to where he did well with them.

    Here is the breakdown for black men, who constituted 5% of the vote
    Hillary 80
    Trump 13
    Johnson 3
    Stein 3

    The breakdown for black women, who constituted 7% of the vote
    Hillary 94
    Trump 4
    Johnson 1
    Stein 1

    20% of black men vote for non-Democrats, compared to 6% of black women. Overall, 8% of blacks voted for Trump.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/exit-polls

  79. @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder how many white New Yorkers secretly voted for Trump because of Bill DeBlasio’s nuttiness…
     
    57% of New Yorkers live outside the city. Something like 80% of the out-of-city population is white.

    And that's non-Hispanic. I've known several upstate Sanchezes who were indistinguishable from the rest of us appleknockers, but might be listed as Hispanic today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York#/media/File:Ancestry-new-york-by_county-2000.PNG

    (Note that the Frogs of Clinton County voted D, unlike their neighbors, as they did in the New Deal.)

    The state's white percentage went from 93.5% in 1950 to 65.8% in 2010. Oddly, the Census Bureau reports that the non-Hispanic white percentage has grown in the last decade:


    i
    White alone, percent, July 1, 2015, (V2015) (a)
    70.1%
    i
    White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
    65.7%
     
    Whites in the city are the mobile, crazy, cosmopolitan, coastal variety. They didn"t vote Trump. They're leading the protests!

    Archie did. But his territory has shrunk.

    White alone does not mean non hispanic white. The non hispanic white population has not gone up as a percentage of the total population if you look at the other races. Black, hispanic, and asian have all gone up as a percentage of total population which means non hispanic white went down. There’s no other way around it.

  80. The knowledge that someone as dishonest, corrupt and incompetent as Hillary would have been elected president if we were majority non-white should be enough to turn any sane non-white into a strong borders zealot.

  81. @Corvinus
    "We must end the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act of 1965. We must have an immigration timeout like 1924. We must do this in order to head off the new Bolshevik revolution that is percolating on the streets. The country will soon become ungovernable and civil war will follow!"

    There is no Bolshevik revolution, there is no civil war. More Alt Right nonsense.

    Whites voted for Trump in New York for a myriad of reasons: 1) they preferred him over Hillary as the lesser of two evils, 2) they voted for an anti-establishment candidate, 3) they did not want a woman as president, 4) they were harkened back to the words of Reagan, and 5) they preferred his policies.

    Sailer and company is pushing the narrative that whites in general voted for him because of an emerging white identity. Indeed, some are becoming aware of racial consciousness. But most whites voted due to their ideology.

    According to free trade critic Ian Fletcher, America started opening up its markets in the mid 1960s in a bid to convert the world towards America capitalistic values and undermine support for communism. Given the strong correlation between free trade and open borders, it wouldn’t surprise if changes in immigration policy at that times were also influenced by wrong-headed ideas about fighting communism – let more non-whites into America and get them to spread the world about how wonderful and prosperous capitalist America is. Such a belief would only have intensified as the body bags started coming back from Vietnam.

    Ironically, open, liberal America is now losing out to the post-communist state capitalism of China, while low-income immigrants demand increasing levels of government welfare.

    • Agree: Travis
  82. All polls, including exit polls, are fake in favor of the Democrats, always and forever, under all circumstances, do not doubt me – it’s all a scam.
    So I am sure Trump won white women too. Well done gals.

  83. @Sunbeam
    This isn't related to the topic really.

    But I have an old ... I think it is a drill bit sharpener. It is a fairly big piece of heavy equipment (200 pounds maybe?) with two grinding wheels and jigs and fixtures for holding things at different angles. I only use it as a grinder (got a drill doctor and my uncle tried to explain to me once how to sharpen drill bits by hand, but I never got the knack).

    Anyway the thing dates to the 40's or 50's. I'd have to look at it to see the manufacturer, but the nameplate proudly says "New York City."

    Works as well as the day it was built. But it makes me sad sometimes to see that metal plate with the obscure manufacturer that says "New York City."

    Anyway the thing dates to the 40′s or 50′s. I’d have to look at it to see the manufacturer, but the nameplate proudly says “New York City.”

    Works as well as the day it was built. But it makes me sad sometimes to see that metal plate with the obscure manufacturer that says “New York City.”

    My old analytical lab had an industrial-scale centrifuge from Detroit, still in regular use, with a date of 1920 on it. We built things well back in the day.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I repaired dental equipment for a summer job in 1928. Many of the big machines next to the patient's chair were built in the 1920s.
  84. they preferred him over Hillary as the lesser of two evils

    Hi, the Democrat Party and Big Media just called, told me to call you a nutcase.

    Whites voted for Trump in New York for a myriad of reasons: […] 2) they voted for an anti-establishment candidate

    So, they voted for him because they voted for him. Brilliant!

  85. @anon

    Black support for Donald Trump is overwhelmingly of the Non Tyrone variety.
     
    Yes, the electrician, cop type demographic.

    I bet a lot of vets in that group as well.

  86. @2Mintzin1
    One source of Upstate anger, at least in my neck of the woods (Central NY) is Governor Cuomo's contemptuous treatment of upstaters, from banning fracking in the Marcellus Shale, pushing gun control thru the legislature, doling out enormous chunks of money to his upstate political friends only (see "Buffalo Billion", a growing scandal) and demanding that the governments of Onondaga County and the City of Syracuse form themselves into one governmental unit, thus making the whites in the suburbs pay taxes to support Syracuse City and its many minority problems. With regard to this last, Cuomo threatened the County and City with retribution if they did not obey his will (exactly what damage he intends to do is so far unspecified).

    The fracking ban, by the way, looks to me to be a variant on the Curley Effect. As Cuomo continues to damage the economic prospects of rural and suburban Western/Central New York, whites are leaving the state.Deliberate? I think so.

    Supposedly the Cuomo the father was a good governor. The later generations never seem to be. My family called him one of those “smart Italians, or intellect Italians”. Italians get a lot of flack in NY. But they handle it well.

  87. @Jonathan Mason
    Here's something I like about Trump.

    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a US politician in possession of name recognition, must be in want of recreational sex. This gets any number of middle aged male politicians into trouble, Clinton, Spitzer, Weiner and many, many others.

    However, because of the demands of the job and the fact that every single thing these men do comes under scrutiny, they can't make quick sex tours of Thailand while the government is shut down for the summer, so they tend to start picking on the help, going online, or hitting on whatever women can get inside their protective bubble, and the results are not pretty.

    I mean look at Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broadrick--these are not women that I would personally give a second glance, but then I am not a politician, but then neither would Donald Trump who has been married to three female A-listers and presumably had a flings with other model types.

    So I suspect that having reached the age of 70 with a good sex life behind him, Trump is going to be much less prone to ludicrous displays of virility and chest-beating in policy making, and it will be hard to corrupt him with honey-traps. At last we have a President who really IS a family values type of guy, and is bringing his family into office at the Washington Trump White House to prove it.

    look at Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Juanita Broadrick–these are not women that I would personally give a second glance

    Paula can scrub up quite well and Monica has definitely got something about her.

  88. @Opinionator
    I thought we were at 1.2 million new legal immigrants/year?

    true, the act increased immigration to 750,000 per year in 1992, 1993 and then it started to go even higher

  89. there were only 2 states where Hillary won 50% of the white Vote, California and Washington.

    If only Whites voted Clinton would have won just 4 states, California, Maine, Oregon and Washington.

    while Trump failed to get 50% of the White vote in NH, he still beat Hillary 48 to 46% among whites and in New Mexico, where Gary Johnson got 10% of the white vote, Trump beat Hillary 47 to 42% among whites..

  90. @Antonymous

    Anyway the thing dates to the 40′s or 50′s. I’d have to look at it to see the manufacturer, but the nameplate proudly says “New York City.”

    Works as well as the day it was built. But it makes me sad sometimes to see that metal plate with the obscure manufacturer that says “New York City.”
     
    My old analytical lab had an industrial-scale centrifuge from Detroit, still in regular use, with a date of 1920 on it. We built things well back in the day.

    I repaired dental equipment for a summer job in 1928. Many of the big machines next to the patient’s chair were built in the 1920s.

    • Replies: @Taco
    I don't believe that you were alive in 1928, let alone old enough to have a summer job.
  91. “I repaired dental equipment for a summer job in 1928.”

    Steve, you now reveal to your loyal readership whether your superpower is time travel or immortality. Maybe both. This must explain your incredible Noticing ability.

  92. @Steve Sailer
    I repaired dental equipment for a summer job in 1928. Many of the big machines next to the patient's chair were built in the 1920s.

    I don’t believe that you were alive in 1928, let alone old enough to have a summer job.

  93. @Paco Wové
    Curious to know how many votes Clinton got from heterosexual white males. I still can't fathom how any such man in possession of his testicles could vote thusly (and yes, I apparently know more than a few).
  94. @Anonymous
    Immigration is all that matters. Demography is destiny.

    It is lunatic insanity to allow mass immigration of other races into your country. It's sick! It is self dispossession as the evidence shows in the state of NY.

    And no way will the absentee ballots be counted either ...which would break hard for Trump.

    “Immigration is all that matters. Demography is destiny. ”

    Well, the hags desire for a nuclear war with Russia looked a bit like destiny to me.

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