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From The Telegraph:

US city to pay reparations to African-American community with tax on marijuana sales

Alderman Robin Rue Simmons said it was a “radical” step “to preserve the black population”

Rozina Sabur, Washington
3 DECEMBER 2019 • 2:41PM

A city in Illinois has announced it will create a reparations fund for its African American community through a new tax on marijuana sales.

Recreational use of the drug will become legal in the state from January and officials in Evanston, which is 12 miles north of Chicago, have voted to approve a 3 per cent tax on the sales to fund a local reparations programme.

The tax is expected to generate between $500,000 and $750,000 annually for the reparations fund, which will be capped at $10 million over the next ten years.

The city’s lawmakers will meet next week to determine exactly how the fund will be distributed, but one idea being proposed is for the money to go towards things like skills training or financial assistance for down payments on a home in the area.

The fund will be available to all of the city’s black residents, rather than merely those who can prove they had an ancestor who was enslaved, as long as they can meet certain residency criteria.

They aren’t quite following the genius of my proposal, which is to make the reparations not in the form of cash but in the form of a monopoly on marijuana retailing. The idea is for African Americans to run, haphazardly, the weed dispensaries, so that far less marijuana gets sold than if some random foreign middleman minority (e.g., enterprising Ismailis from Yemen) moves to Evanston to dominate the weed trade the way that, say, Koreans have shoved blacks out of the black hair care product retailing business, much less have Costco sell kilos of Coppola brand marijuana for $79.99.

Evanston, by the way, has the fifth-biggest white-black test score gap of any school district in America. It has a sizable black middle class community, although they tend to send their kids to private schools to keep them away from the scions of Evanston’s micro-slum, which in the 1990s consisted of about 4 square blocks of ‘hood incongruously stuck among the North Shore mansions.

 
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  1. “Evanston, which is 12 miles north of Chicago,…”

    Evanston borders Chicago’s city limit as well as its Rogers Park neighborhood, where my lesbian sister in law lives.

    “The tax is expected to generate between $500,000 and $750,000 annually for the reparations fund, which will be capped at $10 million over the next ten years.”

    Two lies always sold to Illinois residents: Overstated revenue estimates and caps. Recent example: The I355 Expressway was supposed to generate so many bazillions of dollars in revenue and was only supposed to be a tollway for so many years once the cost of building it was recovered. Yeah, neither happened.

    As with all other tax schemes hatched in Illinois, this additional tax will motivate buyers to purchase their products outside the taxed zone. Illinois and Cook County lose millions in total tax revenue each year merely by residents traveling to nearby Indiana to purchase fuel and cigarettes.

    “The fund will be available to all of the city’s black residents, rather than merely those who can prove they had an ancestor who was enslaved, as long as they can meet certain residency criteria. ”

    Do whites a have a discrimination lawsuit laying in wait? LOL

    Robin Rue Simmons can’t wait to spend her share on her weave:

  2. As a sane American I feel like the Corey Feldman character in “The Burbs” pulling up a chair on his porch to watch the neighborhood adults (idiots) unleash their idiocy on their fellow neighbors. Why are the Democrats so effin’ funny in this Age of Trump?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  3. Barnard says:

    One council member is pushing for direct payments to blacks. Even if they meet their lofty $10 million goal, which they almost certainly won’t, at 17% black with a population of roughly 75,000 that works out to $784.31 per black Evanston resident. That’s over the course of ten years, somehow I don’t think $80 a year is going satisfy them.

    • Replies: @bomag
  4. Dr. X says:

    The fund will be available to all of the city’s black residents

    Well… so much for the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, eh?

  5. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:

    Actually, it looks more like a strapped municipality trying to figure out how to make the usual welfare payments without raising taxes on everybody. Since dope smokers enable criminals, it’s appropriate that their money should pay for it.

    ‘Reparations’ appears to be morphing into a marketing term for welfare.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @RadicalCenter
  6. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s going to end up like tribal money to Indians. If you’re 1/16th black, will you get Reparations (Welfare)?

  7. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t Northwestern in Evanston?

  8. Okay, but they’re just gonna spend all that money on weed.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  9. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    The Sailer reparations plan doesn’t require monies to trickle through the organs of government, so there’s no way for any of it to be diverted. The opportunities for graft, nepotism, corruption are obvious in this scheme. That’s one not-to-be-mentioned reason why it’s being enacted.

    The Sailer plan is simpler, and anyone skimming the cash flow will be taking on a retail level rather than wholesale. The solution will be retail and local as well. The only flaw with the Sailer plan is defining who is “black enough” to run a dispensary. That’s still not as problematic as determining who in Evanston is “black enough” to qualify for free money developmental aid.

    Plus, under the Sailer plan some number of African Americans would find a reason to learn horticulture and greenhouse management, because vertical integration in this business would be a good thing. That beats “hiphop studies” every time.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    , @Stephen Paul Foster
  10. Kronos says:

    Any indication if the city got anything in return?

    • Replies: @jes noticin
  11. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    No reparations without separation!

    • Agree: brandybranch
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  12. I wonder what happens if one identifies as black.

  13. notsaying says:

    I looked up some information on Evanston and I am afraid that Alderman is too late. The black population went from 22.5% in 2000 to less than 17% in 2017.

    I suppose gentrification is happening at a good clip. The Asian/Hispanic population is now over 20%. It must be very frustrating to not be able to afford to live in your own hometown anymore.

    But using the optimistic estimate of $750,000 collected in dope sales a year divided by 12,000 blacks only comes out to $62.50 per person. That’s not enough to help anybody really, especially since the Telegraph article says the Alderman wants it to be distributed directly to people.

    The black politicians of Evanston and other places should have spoken out against mass migration years ago. Then all this gentrification wouldn’t be going on. But they did not. All those extra people who are now in the US have to live somewhere and that includes the formerly black neighborhoods of Evanston and other cities.

    I do feel sorry for these people. But all this reparations talk is going to do is give the people of Evanston another topic to fight over. That’s my prediction.

    Alderman Simmons says:

    that the reparations plan would also help African Americans who have been priced out of the city by high property taxes and racially biased lending practices.

    ….

    “This [reparations fund] is something radical to preserve the black population and let the black community know that we see the flight”

    It is sad to see how naive she is being and how much she is overpromising, based on $62.50 per person a year in dope tax collected. Ten times as much — $625.00 a year — wouldn’t change the lives of her constituents.

  14. So if Whitey McWhiteboy claims to be “black” will they tell him no? Ask for a DNA test?

    What about if Piet Botha, who was born in Johannesburg, puts in a claim? Will they deny he is African?

    • LOL: bomag
  15. ‘…much less have Costco sell kilos of Coppola brand marijuana for $79.99.’

    Incidentally, and on that note, here in Oregon, where marijuana is now legal and ‘dispensaries’ are all over the place, the price has been rapidly plummeting. Some place here in town is now flogging grass for $2 a gram.

    Of course, auto insurance premiums have jumped ten-twenty percent, and guess why?

  16. @notsaying

    ‘I looked up some information on Evanston and I am afraid that Alderman is too late. The black population went from 22.5% in 2000 to less than 17% in 2017…’

    Jeepers. That’s a real problem.

    And no one’s doing anything?

  17. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying

    NO amount of MONEY will change the lives of the constituents longer than it takes them to go through it like goose shit through a tin funnel.

  18. Arclight says:

    What is interesting to me is that I have yet to meet anyone who thinks reparations would actually work – the support is based on the idea that blacks are owed something and even if it’s the equivalent of setting fire to the money doled out, it still a good thing. Of course, if it doesn’t work there will be demands for more money to be lit ablaze in the name of justice.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  19. Lot says:

    Very high chance this will be either cancelled or found unconstitutional.

  20. jJay anon says:

    Like the monopoly on Indian gaming?

  21. mmack says:

    Well I guess some Evanston coppers, teachers, and firefighters don’t get fully funded pensions then, which was the whole idea behind legalizing The Pot in Illinois. 😒

    If what is posted here https://www.dailywire.com/news/chicago-suburb-votes-to-use-profits-from-legal-pot-sales-to-fund-reparations-for-slavery is true, this whole “reparations” fund sounds like a giant slush fund. Illegal dirty money in Illinois politics?!? Color me shocked.

  22. jJay anon says:

    Blacks had a good foothold on retail crack sales, here in LA, during the late ’80s. But they ran off with the customer’s money or the supplier’s product too often and Mexican wholesalers decided to do it themselves. Not always, of course, but as usual, it’s a statistical thing and that matters to customers. I wouldn’t go to a McDonalds if I only got the burger I purchased 3 out of 4 times. Learn how to run a small business patiently. Run it on a shoestring profit margin until you get a customer base. Keep the store neat. Pay attention to quality. Honor handshake contracts. Copy what works from your competitors. (Good God, that advise sounds horribly patriarchal or something evil)

    Amerinds seem to be doing much better with their gaming monopoly than they were at first. It’s a different type of business than retail marijuana sales, requiring much more outside help and investment to compete with Vegas. Still, it’s a place to learn.

    Will it work? Heck if I know.

    (not sure why I had to change my handle)

  23. Cortes says:
    @Arclight

    Wouldn’t acceptance of a reparations deal involve a “once and for all time” agreement? Does a daddy disinherit his kiddies by accepting? How is paternal right to accept on behalf of children identified? Do pregnant women disinherit foetuses by accepting? Can a disinherited child sue because the accepting parent(s) lacked capacity? Is there a chance that a “Mormon” argument for reparations in respect of previous generations might be run up the legal flagpole for determination?

    Popcorn time.

  24. @notsaying

    Her constituents are probably even more naive.

  25. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Of course, auto insurance premiums have jumped ten-twenty percent, and guess why

    Pure coincidence?

    Greedy insurance companies?

    Secret Nazis in Salem and Portland working behind the scenes?

    I dunno. Can’t guess. Totally a mystery.

  26. @Kronos

    Kipling wrote a poem about it.

  27. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    ‘Reparations’ appears to be morphing into a marketing term for welfare.

    So true! And for various other kinds of continuing, non-one time expenditures that supposedly benefit blacks. They are planning in advance for replacements for affirmative action is that gets knocked down.

    Georgetown University plans to raise $400,000 a year for reparations
    As colleges grapple with the legacy of slavery, it’s the third school in two months to announce a reparations fund.
    https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/31/20940665/georgetown-reparations-fund-slavery-history-colleges

    will also be used to help pay for Descendant community-based projects like health clinics and schools

    a group of descendants asked for “$1 billion for a foundation that would finance educational, health, housing and other needs.

    It’s starting to become clear. The non-profit organization scam has emerged as a great way for the talented tenth sector of blacks to get a six-figure sinecure salary without being that smart or doing that much. Creating more of these organizations is what they want, in addition to plans to launch coups to take over existing organiztions like the SPLC.

  28. anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Evanston borders the city of Chicago, but Evanston is about 12 miles from downtown Chicago.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  29. @notsaying

    It is sad to see how naive she is being and how much she is overpromising, based on $62.50 per person a year in dope tax collected. Ten times as much — $625.00 a year — wouldn’t change the lives of her constituents.

    I’m afraid it’s you who is being naive. These funds , like %99 of similar programs, are destined for the pockets of well connected insiders . The vast majority of her constituents will see neither hide nor hair of this windfall.

  30. Kyle says:
    @anon

    An even simpler plan is keeping weed illegal. Just reparations would be decriminalizing weed possession and sales by American descendants of slaves. Don’t get me wrong I enjoy smoking weed from time to time, but I don’t see any good reason that it should be legal. I’d hate to see soulless corporations take over the market and peddle drugs to children.

  31. Peterike says:

    “Recreational use of the drug will become legal in the state from January”

    Oh that’s going to have ZERO unintended consequences.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  32. @Kyle

    don’t see any good reason that it should be legal. I’d hate to see soulless corporations take over the market and peddle drugs to children.

    Funny, I don’t see any reason for it to be illegal.

    They might market it to kids, but kids don’t have any money. You gonna buy your 9 y.o. a gram?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  33. newrouter says:
    @Kyle

    American descendants of slaves are mostly grifters on the state of affairs. A return to their “mother country” would be the proper reparation/repatriation.

    • Agree: brandybranch
  34. @anonymous

    No kidding, really? I had no idea! Thanks for enlightening me!

    But that’s not what the article says. It says “Evanston is 12 miles north of Chicago,” which it isn’t. A reader unfamiliar with the Chicagoland area will not make that distinction. It’s misleading for no apparent reason, or just plain sloppy reporting.

    • Replies: @Western
  35. MBlanc46 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    All the Illinois toll roads were to revert to regular roads when the original bonds were paid off. That was decades ago. Waiting. And, living almost on the Cook-DuPage border allows Mme and I to avoid a lot of the extra sales taxes in Cook. It’s not a lot of money; it’s the principle.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @donvonburg
    , @ganderson
  36. MBlanc46 says:
    @Kyle

    That’s pretty much my feeling, Kyle. Things such as psychotropic substance use are better left subcultural. Reduce the penalties, perhaps, but don’t completely decriminalize it.

  37. Western says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Reporters do that a lot when they mention suburbs I have noticed.

    People who live in the suburbs will say their suburb is 20 miles from Chicago when it might only be 5 from the city limits but 20 from downtown.

    • Replies: @Mike zwick
  38. Dtbb says:

    The councilperson figures she is putting the homeboys out of business. Reparations as reimbursement? I hear Illinois has fabulous soil.

  39. @Chris Mallory

    Kids have money, and they buy plenty of pot now. Certainly in middle school and above.

  40. @Anon

    People who buy marijuana legally from a store that’s licensed, subject to background checks, excludes felons, regulated, excludes minors, pays taxes, etc., in no way are enabling criminals. What are you even talking about?

  41. @Peterike

    Unlike prohibition, which didn’t have severe unintended consequences, right?

  42. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    She looks about 12/16 White, 4/16 black. 25% black town, the end is near.

  43. Speaking of Evanston, the Chronicle of Higher Education wrote of a Chinese student who chose Northwestern over Johns Hopkins and several others because it was safer. Asian students fear our “gun culture”. (Latin and Caribbean students not so much; I wonder why…)

    And they think it’s the guns, too, because they prefer suburban schools over urban and rural ones. Or so claims CHE.

    If you can penetrate the paywall:

    https://www.chronicle.com/interactives/20191115-GunCulture

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  44. @Colin Wright

    Of course, auto insurance premiums have jumped ten-twenty percent, and guess why?

    Easy… it’s because insurance companies base their premia on perceived risk, not on actual risk… and schlubs are stupid enough to think that stoners have more car accidents.

    The research that there has been in this area is abundant, but historically very biased and of relatively low quality – and any ‘positive’ finding (i.e., weed linked to increased road deaths) has always been trumpeted from the mainswamp media as if it came down from the mountain inscribed on stone slabs.

    And of course the World Improvers will seize on any upward blip in the road toll in legalised-weed states, and assert that legalised weed is the sole cause (as if the road toll is usually a fixed proportion and has no inherent variability).

    The best work I’ve seen – with large sample sizes, and a calm, dispassionate statement of findings – is probably Jayson et al (2017), who find that there is absolutely no statistical change in risk (all-cause risk rose 0.2 deaths per billion vehicle miles driven, but that was well within the margin of error). Anderson et al (2013) note that legalised weed led to a significant drop in alcohol DUI (and alcohol intoxication is a 10x driver of fatalities, a point they didn’t make), and an overall drop in fatalities of ~10%.

    The folks at Reason did a reasonable job at summarising the literature -> https://reason.org/policy-brief/does-marijuana-legalization-increase-traffic-accidents/

    The worst work I’ve seen? Easy: the amateurish click-baity scrawlings of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, which is basically an insurance-industry lobby. I’m not giving that piece of shit a link or a place in the list of references, because it’s so far below my standards that I would expect that the preprints were written in crayon.

    No surprises for guessing which ‘study’ got wall-to-wall press coverage. Pay to play, bitchez…

    References

    Jayson D. Aydelotte et al. “Crash Fatality Rates After Recreational Marijuana Legalization in Washington and Colorado”, American Journal of Public Health 107, no. 8 (August 1, 2017): pp. 1329-1331. https://doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2017.303848

    Anderson, D. Mark et al. “Medical Marijuana Laws, Traffic Fatalities, and Alcohol ConsumptionThe Journal of Law and Economics. Vol. 56 (2): 333-369. 2013. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/668812

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  45. @Colin Wright

    When the first weed IPOs started being promoted, I made it clear that they will be worse long-term portfolio components than the worst of the dotcom IPOs.

    They might go bananas at first, but the number of survivors will be close to zero – because the equilibrium price for weed is significantly lower than the equilibrium price of cilantro, mint or parsley.

    (It might even be easier to grow weed that it is to grow those herbs; for my entire life I have been the Dr Mengele of basil, cilantro, parsley and mint. I can keep thyme and rosemary alive, and they are less hardy than cannabis, I’m reliably informed by a mate who grows his own… once it’s legalised here I’ll find out)

  46. @Ron Mexico

    As a sane American I feel like the Corey Feldman character in “The Burbs” pulling up a chair on his porch to watch the neighborhood adults (idiots) unleash their idiocy on their fellow neighbors. Why are the Democrats so effin’ funny in this Age of Trump?

    It’s funny in the sort of slapstick comedy crash their car sense.

    But unfortunately we are passengers in the car they are crashing–America.

  47. anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    It might even be easier to grow weed that it is to grow those herbs;

    Lol, why do you think they call it “weed”? It still grows wild in some parts of the US, like anywhere around an abandoned 60’s commune.

    equilibrium price for weed is significantly lower than the equilibrium price of cilantro, mint or parsley.

    I believe the high-end stuff that is vertically integrated is greenhouse grown – no pests, no bad weather. Got to be easier than many flowers or tomatoes. But even in colder states like Colorado or Wyoming it’s bound to be something a stoned old hippy could cultivate next to his compost heap….equilibrium price of that is essentially zero.

  48. bomag says:
    @Barnard

    somehow I don’t think $80 [for ten years] a year is going satisfy them

    This.

    Though they probably see it as the beginning of many such transfers.

    It will cost Evanston more to administer this program than what it brings in, but that is nothing new; feature, not bug, in Illinois.

  49. bomag says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Just on the talk and a few steps to legalize industrial hemp, mid-western farmers have already overproduced and crashed the market.

  50. @Kratoklastes

    ‘Easy… it’s because insurance companies base their premia on perceived risk, not on actual risk… and schlubs are stupid enough to think that stoners have more car accidents…’

    I take it’s important to you to believe that you drive as well stoned as you do sober.

    I doubt it. When I’m high, my attention wanders. How about you?

  51. @Kratoklastes

    ‘When the first weed IPOs started being promoted, I made it clear that they will be worse long-term portfolio components than the worst of the dotcom IPOs.

    ‘They might go bananas at first, but the number of survivors will be close to zero – because the equilibrium price for weed is significantly lower than the equilibrium price of cilantro, mint or parsley…’

    Now that I agree with. Marijuana IPO’s were the dumbest thing I ever heard of.

    What’s more, nine out of ten of these ‘dispensaries’ around here are going to go belly-up. There just can’t be that many people wanting to get high that often.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Jim Christian
  52. @anon

    “Hip hop studies” — I thought you were joking. No, you can get a minor in it at Columbia College in, where else? Chicago.

    https://www.colum.edu/academics/programs/hip-hop-studies

  53. @MBlanc46

    The same is true of the Kansas Turnpike network. The legislature allegedly prefers to keep it private to save the taxpayer the maintenance expense, but everyone knows that the legislators are being bribed.

  54. How does this interact with the Most Important Chart of the Century I wonder….

  55. @Western

    Evanston is just a continuation of Chicago’s lakefront, with the Lakefront Liberals included.

  56. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Didn’t the 1964 Civil Rights Act prohibit discrimination on the basis of race?

  57. Leo D says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    “…Rogers Park neighborhood, where my lesbian sister in law lives.”

    hmm…would that also mean your lesbian sister lives there?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  58. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kyle

    An even simpler plan is keeping weed illegal.

    That’s not an option anymore. 20-odd years of billionaires funding legalization campaigns has had an effect, there is now momentum and lower level money involved. The Evanston plan is retarded and mathematically meaningless as others pointed out via arithmetic operation, but politically it’s going to win. Anyone who is in a position to actually talk with a town council about such a dumb idea should do so, but probably not expect any serious results. Because “free money”.

    Soros funded organizations have been pushing legalization since the 2000 election, maybe longer, along with gun control. Now the same orgs are bankrolling DA and Secretary of State candidates. So the goal is to make it easy for people to stay high, but disarmed, and what else?

  59. mmack says:

    While Evanston is looking to pay to keep Diversity, neighboring Chicago is showing their Diversity hires the door:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eddie-johnson-chicago-police-superintendent-fired-for-misleading-public-about-car-incident-today-2019-12-02/#

    Why is Mayor Lori Lightfoot so racist?

    Well, if you’re out drinking and smooching a gal that ain’t the Mrs. at a downtown bar and you try driving home only to fall asleep behind the wheel of your city issued vehicle, and the responding coppers send you on your merry way instead of throwing you in the clink, it could be a touch embarrassing to the city:

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2019/12/3/20993753/eddie-johnson-chicago-police-multiple-cpd-employees-investigation-cover-up-ceres-cafe-volare?tpcc=email-breaking

  60. ganderson says:
    @MBlanc46

    Same thing with the Mass Turnpike. Still waiting….

  61. @Kratoklastes

    Rosemary and thyme are more hardy than cannabis. (In my climate, Zone 7)
    Rosemary does not die when the frost comes.
    I’ve had rosemary plants live 10 years or more.
    Thyme comes back in the spring.
    Cannabis does not. (It would in a climate without winter)

    Let us grow our own cannabis without being swatted, caged, subjected to asset forfeiture and forever being made unemployable outside of the underground economy and cannabis will be cheaper than cabbage.

    • Replies: @Lot
  62. @Reg Cæsar

    That’s just nuts; Northwestern is totally Chicago Transit Authority accessible to Blacks in Chicago via the EL train. The fool apparently has no concept of the urban commuter criminal.

    That Chinese student is massively lacking in “street survival” IQ; I would advise they apply for an IL FOID card and get some adult to gift him a gun if they are not of age. (In IL, the communists recently passed a law making the purchase of long guns the same as hand guns: 21 y/o or older.) If majority age they can apply for CCW license.

  63. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    The fool apparently has no concept of the urban commuter criminal.

    True.

    That Chinese student is massively lacking in “street survival” IQ; I would advise they apply for an IL FOID

    He’s a foreign national, that can make things complicated.

    By the way, according to an old guy I know at the local range, the Firearms Owner ID was sold to voters in Illinois way back in the 70’s as “the last gun law we’ll ever need, promise!’.

    lol.

  64. He’s a foreign national, that can make things complicated.

    She. That makes it doubly complicated.

  65. ATBOTL says:

    What’s going on here with Evanston and Georgetown is the elites are getting the ball rolling on reparations at a larger scale. They want be able to say “see, we did it, now you have to do it too.”

  66. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “ nine out of ten of these ‘dispensaries’ around here are going to go belly-up.”

    Not in suburban Southern California because their number is severely limited. We have about 1 per 200,000 people. The few legal ones have made their sleazebag owners very rich.

    “ cilantro, mint or parsley…”

    Mint is a tough plant and can spread almost like a weed. Cilantro is delicate and readily eaten by both insects and wild mammals. Probably it is mostly grown in greenhouses.

  67. @Lot

    ‘…Mint is a tough plant and can spread almost like a weed. Cilantro is delicate and readily eaten by both insects and wild mammals. Probably it is mostly grown in greenhouses.’

    ? Cilantro more or less established itself as a weed in our yard in the San Francisco Bay Area. It could get a bit thin in the winter, but generally, it was a matter of going out and finding some if you wanted it.

    In Hawaii, it actually had to be cultivated (it was basil that went berserk).

    Now we’re in Oregon. I’ve got it going — but will it proceed to take care of itself?

    but delicate? No.

  68. @Lot

    ‘… Not in suburban Southern California because their number is severely limited. We have about 1 per 200,000 people. The few legal ones have made their sleazebag owners very rich….’

    Around here it would work out to around one for every five thousand — and I just heard of another one opening up.

    So, if we assume the average Southern Californian smokes one joint a week, and that leads to one ‘dispensary’ for every two hundred thousand people, it would follow that the average provincial Oregonder is smoking…

    You can see why our auto insurance rates went up.

    • Replies: @Lot
  69. @Colin Wright

    They aren’t quite following the genius of my proposal, which is to make the reparations not in the form of cash but in the form of a monopoly on marijuana retailing.

    There are communities, Cambridge, down on the Cape, Roxbury, where the towns are ‘adamant’ that the stores will have minority participation or ownership, your instinct about what they want IS rather brilliant, prescient, in any case. That’s their wish. But as in every other endeavor, it ain’t working out in Massachusetts, Steve. For one thing, every commercial grow I see in the papers has highly educated degrees in agriculture, biology, business, retail, advertising, it’s a whole thing and frankly, right down to the folks who snip the buds and trim the leaves, all White folks. Marijuana, the kind of marijuana people want to smoke is pushing 30% THC content and that’s a complicated operation. In addition to the care and feeding, you have to avoid molds and mites and that comes from not overcrowding/growing in too small a space. You need lots of fans, the proper water, fertilizers and you can’t use anti-fungal sprays, they test and you don’t want to kill your customers.

    All of this, done by Whites and corporations apparently, run by Whites. So they can wish and want and bleat and fart and they aren’t getting what they supposedly want as regards Blacks in the business..

    What’s more, nine out of ten of these ‘dispensaries’ around here are going to go belly-up. There just can’t be that many people wanting to get high that often.

    As for you, Colin, sorry I hijacked my own comment to you, there IS another factor in the failure of weed stocks to take off in terms of retail success, and that is here in Massachusetts, people are growing a tremendous amount of marijuana at home. In my dotage, laziness and only wanna play golf lifestyle late in life, I have friends and others that want a few 20A GFI outlets installed and scattered about their basements. Here in Massachusetts, a couple can grow 24 plants, plus the same number in seedlings coming up ready to plant. A few of them will ask me to come back and add a couple more some months, a year later and they have a hell of a farm down there. Law says they can have 20 ounces of finished buds, an ounce in the car, smoke it if you got it. Ever see 20 ounces? Over a pound. Ever see ten pounds? Not me! (wink, wink). They grow a fuck-lot of bud and it is wicked good. I know they ‘give’ it by the ounce to their friends, little grow-co-op, friends of friends, so on and so-forth, it is a cash crop. I don’t know from where you write but I can promise you, 99% of the bud smoked in Massachusetts is absolutely by co-ops. When I visit, they pay me for my circuits, they know I have some pals that are vets, they thrown me bags with a couple of ounces, I pass it around. Stuff is smelly, man, it’s really good. Being legal, I can fly it down to a relative outta Logan, an ounce or less. Legal. Go ahead, Mr. Customs Man, check my bag.

    But growing it isn’t as easy as it looks. About half the folks I install the outlets for give it up, it is labor-intensive and at the private market/hobby level, truly a labor of love for some people. Screw up the ventilation for a day or two and don’t catch it, the whole grow can turn moldy and it’s no good. But those that succeed as growers sure do produce the goods.

    All I can think about weed stocks is, hold them until the Bigs come buy the companies attached to those stocks. On their own, these stores cannot do the ONE thing that big Pharma or Tobacco will be able to do once they buy these companies and that is to make private growing illegal again, forcing smokers to the stores THEY then own. You know tobacco, Pharma and Liquor? Those are the folks that built the Partnership For A Drug-Free America. Once they get weed off Schedule 1 and the banks can do business with weed retailers, legal ones, the stores, they’ll buy up all these companies and their stocks will soar. Those stocks, now bottomed out, are likely a good buy not for their retail profit, but for the buyout potential. But as long as private grows are permitted to the extent they are here in Lobster-Land, retail doesn’t stand a chance on their own.

    Peace.

  70. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “So, if we assume the average Southern Californian smokes one joint a week”

    I think the movement toward very high THC strains plus purified THC has made joint consumption less common, and kind of a low class or boomer trait.

    One light puff of “dab” is the same as a joint of “brick weed” and a lot easier on the throat and lungs.

    Unfortunately this means a lot of older studies about the effects of cannabis (not very dangerous) are questionable.

    I subscribed to the late Mark Kleiman’s views on the topic: the effects on heavy users of legalization are possibly pretty negative, but the question can’t be resolved until we have good info on the extent it encourages versus substitutes for alcohol and hard drug use, and that’s a difficult question to study.

    We had far more dispensaries around 2010 when they were in every strip mall. That lasted about 2 years until the landlords were threatened with civil forfeiture and they were zoned into a few warehouse district type areas.

    On culinary herbs, no-maintenance free cilantro in my back yard sounds great. The mint that grows like a weed is nice at least.

  71. Lot says:
    @Adam Smith

    Rosemary is so hardy in Southern California it is often used as a bush hedge around buildings and parking lots.

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  72. @Lot

    Rosemary is very hardy here in north Georgia. I’ve only lost one, but it was during an unusually cold, harsh winter with lows often around 5 degrees Fahrenheit. She was not protected from the wind.

    I love rosemary. It’s one of my favorite herbs.
    I love it in the garden, on lamb, chicken or turkey and especially on bone in ribeye.

    • Agree: Lot
  73. mmack says:

    As everyone posts in the Midway threads up page, Steve will be happy to know Diverse Chicago aldermen have read his blog and are implementing The Sailer Strategy of Weed Shops vs. Reparations:

    https://news.wttw.com/2019/12/04/african-american-aldermen-try-halt-sale-legal-pot-chicago

    “Ald. Jason Ervin (28th Ward) said it won’t affect the city’s bottom line – he and his colleagues on the Black Caucus say the delay is a small price to pay to get it right.

    “If we have to say ‘no’ to get something that makes sense for the equity of our community, than I have to say no to starting adult-use cannabis in the city of Chicago as of Jan. 1,” Ervin said.

    “I am adamantly against our city participating in this industry without knowing a path forward where black and brown people can participate in this in an equitable fashion,” said Ald. Sophia Kind (4th Ward).”

    In the meantime, Jabba Pritzker promises to spread the Magic Pot and the monies around:

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2019/12/4/20996093/illinois-pot-law-jb-pritzker-aldermen-diversity-cannabis-industry

    “We want the industry to be diverse,” Pritzker said after signing a “trailer bill” that addressed technical issues related to the state legalization law he signed in June.

    “We want people who have been left out and left behind to have a real opportunity to not only benefit from this new industry but to create new millionaires in the black community and the Latino community all across the state,” Pritzker told reporters at the offices of Cabrini Green Legal Aid at 6 S. Clark St.

    And demands shall be met, or else!

    “I’m telling them right now, don’t even talk to me unless you have African American partners,” said Ald. Walter Burnett Jr., 27th, whose ward stretches from the Near North Side to the West Side. “Don’t waste your time coming to see me. Because I don’t even want to talk to them. Because I think you’re just being racist in my face when you talk to me about this stuff and you don’t allow African Americans to be your partner. It’s ridiculous, man.”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-recreational-marijuana-delay-african-american-ownership-20191204-5mzkejknmjbmxbee6qnlp4sn6a-story.html

    It’s almost frightening the things Steve “notices”, and when they come true.

  74. @Leo D

    Cute! She’s my wife’s older sister.

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