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From the New York Times:

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Don’t let them in?

Failing that, arrest them and keep them locked up until they can be deported?

Ordered Deported, Berlin Suspect Slipped Through Germany’s Fingers
By ALISON SMALE, CARLOTTA GALL and GAIA PIANIGIANI DEC. 22, 2016

BERLIN — He left Tunisia, his family said, with dreams of making money and buying a car. After arriving in Italy, he was a violent inmate who spent time in six jails. In Germany, he was one of some 550 people identified as dangers to the state and placed under special surveillance.

Yet Anis Amri, who turned 24 on Thursday, was able to ignore deportation orders and brushes with the law, roaming freely until he apparently hijacked a truck and rammed it into a Christmas market in Berlin this week, killing 12 and wounding dozens. He remains on the run.

After all, what powers do European states have? Especially one as notoriously incompetent as Germany? I mean, whaddaya whaddaya? Governments can’t just go around making people, much less foreigners, obey the law of the land.

What?

They can? In fact, that’s kind of the point of having a government? Oh …

Mr. Amri’s life and odyssey underscore a vexing problem, common in Europe: how to handle hundreds of thousands of virtually stateless wanderers who are either unwilling or unable to return home.

Many are trying to integrate. Some are slated for deportation, only to melt into society. By their own intention or because of the authorities’ failings, some, like Mr. Amri, slip through the fingers of law enforcement.

Fake documents, an absence of papers and a lack of cooperation from home countries that have little incentive to take them back only widen the bureaucratic gaps they fall through.

Mr. Amri, who was reported to have used perhaps six aliases, arrived in Germany only after Italy, unable to get Tunisia to take him back, ordered him out. Germany decided this was no refugee from war and refused him asylum over the summer. But he could not be deported without a Tunisian passport, which finally arrived this week — after the Berlin attack.

Tens of thousands of deportees survive in Germany on six-month permits, long a choke point in the country’s migration system.

Germany has no law on immigration.

Really?

Well, there’s your problem.

It’s almost as if the German political class isn’t trying terribly hard to deal with immigration.

… Terrorism experts have for years pointed to the lack of an overall strategy to combat terrorism in Germany, where judicial and police authority is highly diffused among 16 states and several separate entities at the federal level.

This structure was created deliberately after World War II, when the Allies and the defeated Germans strove to prevent power from ever being centralized again as it was under the Nazis. But it is not clear that the system serves Germany well now. …

From that fringe, and even from her own conservative camp, Ms. Merkel is under fire for what people see as a loss of control over Germany’s borders and who, exactly, enters the country.

She has been demanding for a year that officials get more effective at deporting migrants who are denied asylum, often because they come from countries like Tunisia, which Germany considers safe.

You can hardly expect the famously inefficient German government to accomplish anything in a year.

In many cases, like Mr. Amri’s, people stay on with official permission, known as a “tolerance” in German, that is renewable every six months for a period of at least 18 months.

Even when a flight is arranged to deport them, some people simply do not show. The police have noted Ms. Merkel’s wishes for more deportations but say they are difficult to execute.

In June, federal officials counted 168,000 people in Germany on a tolerance, many of them from Afghanistan, Syria and the Balkans. Of that total, about 37,000, like Mr. Amri, could not be deported for lack of papers, the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper said.

But Germany has found it difficult to get North African countries to accept deportees.

At their simple one-story home in Oueslatia, a town in midwestern Tunisia, Mr. Amri’s family — he is the youngest of nine, including five sisters — was in disbelief that he could be responsible for driving into a crowd of Christmas shoppers. …

But even they expressed anger and frustration at the bungling of both the German authorities and the Tunisian government, which they said had all but disowned Mr. Amri.

One sister, noting that Mr. Amri had been detained close to the Swiss border over the summer, asked pointedly why, if her brother was involved with dangerous jihadists, the German police had released him after 48 hours.

… Unlikely ever to be granted legal asylum, Mr. Amri apparently grew frustrated. Nineteen at the time, he and two others set fire to the migrant center in a protest against their living conditions and the slowness of Italy’s procedures. Sentenced to four years in prison, he was bounced around six Sicilian penitentiaries for threatening fellow inmates and spurring revolts, according to a document from the Italian Justice Ministry. …

Out of jail and avoiding deportation, Mr. Amri slipped into Germany: initially the southwestern university town of Freiburg, and then North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany’s most populous state.

Using various sets of papers, he proved “highly mobile,” Ralf Jäger, the state’s interior minister, said, flitting between at least two state offices for foreigners before apparently living mostly in Berlin.

Already listed as a danger to the state, prosecutors say, Mr. Amri came under special surveillance this year from March to September. Officials had received a federal tip that he might be planning a robbery to get money for automatic weapons that could eventually be used in an attack, the Berlin prosecutors’ office said in a statement.

But, despite monitoring Mr. Amri’s communications and observing him directly, the prosecutors could turn up no more than evidence that he was involved in the drug dealing scene around the city’s notorious Görlitzer Park, where he got into a fight with another dealer in a bar.

Because of Germany’s painful experience with totalitarian government, the threshold for legal surveillance is high, and the prosecutors’ statement said they had had no further justification to keep him under watch.

After all he was only a drug-dealing bank-robbing street-brawling arsonist Muslim illegal alien.

Representatives for the prosecutors declined to answer questions.

At some point in April, Mr. Amri applied for asylum in Germany, Mr. Jäger said. The application was rejected in June, and he was ordered deported.

Nonetheless, lacking a passport, Mr. Amri apparently tried to head for Switzerland, boarding a bus for Zurich from the southern town of Friedrichshafen on Lake Constance on July 30.

The police noted his deportation papers and detained him that weekend, but he was ordered released after 48 hours. His lack of Tunisian identity papers meant the German authorities could neither deport nor detain him.

His family said he had been in touch regularly and had given no indication that he was mixed up in radical Islam or planning momentous events.

“He talked to his mother last Friday,” his sister Najwa said, and to another sister on Saturday and Sunday.

“He was taking selfies in public places, so he did not look like he was under control or in difficulty,” Najwa said…

In preparation for his return, the family had helped put together legal papers for him to quash an old sentence imposed in absentia for robbery. They said the accusation had been false.

He’s a good boy, he didn’t do nothing, he was going to sign up for some college classes, he was turning his life around, and he’s an aspiring muezzinist.

“He was fed up with Germany,” another sister, Hafida, 35, said. “He could not get a job, and the language was difficult, and he could not get papers.”

But when matched up against a criminal mastermind like this, what is the poor little government of Germany supposed to do?

 
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  1. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Europe is like a mighty ship with a big hole. As long as it’s unwilling to plug the hole, it doesn’t matter how mighty the ship is, how well-armored and well-armed it is, and how well-manned it is.

    If anything, the weight of all that might will only make the ship sink faster as the water keeps coming through the hole that remains unplugged.

    Hole will sink the whole.

    If Germans wanna learn the lesson of WWII, then it is DEFEND THE MOTHERLAND.

    When Germans invaded Russia, Russians knew what to do. Take no chances. Defend the motherland.

    But then, Russians didn’t invite the invasion.
    Germans did. What a bunch of morons.

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    • Replies: @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...
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  2. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Petty crook, true.

    But when a nation takes in 100,000s of petty crooks, even getting 90,000 of them means 10,000 are on the loose.

    Become infested with lice, and even killing a 1000 lice isn’t gonna be enough. There’s always more.

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    • Replies: @eah
    10,000 are on the loose

    Make that 10,001 -- Pakistaner Naved B. verschwunden – Erster Verhafteter des Berliner LKW-Anschlags vermisst -- the 23 y/o from Pakistan, whom they originally arrested, then released, has disappeared -- Naved B. war als erster Tatverdächtiger des Berliner LKW-Anschlags festgenommen worden. Nun vermissen seine Mitbewohner den Pakistaner im Asylheim Tempelhof. Es gibt seit seiner Freilassung keine Nachricht von ihm und sein Handy ist abgeschaltet. -- his mobile is turned off -- so I guess they cannot just phone him and ask him to come back -- 'How does a poor, desperate refugee afford a mobile phone?' you ask -- don't ask.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    When Evans-Pritchard once asked a Nuer informant why Nuer warriors killed Dinka infants, the reply was, "Because nits grow into lice."

    The only hope for a peaceful and civilized solution to the immigrant/invader crisis in Europe, the Americas, and Australia-New Zealand is to end all undesirable immigration now, and act quickly and ruthlessly to ameliorate the bad consequences of past errors by returning all of these uninvited foreigners to their homelands. Otherwise, the White natives will eventually either respond to imminent peril with the same savagery expressed by that Nuer or else face their own extinction. Then the consequences will be mind-numbingly horrific.

    Because Britain refused to listen to Enoch Powell's warnings when humane limits on immigration would have solved the problems which Powell foresaw, Britain is now faced with an immigration-fueled disaster that can only be ameliorated with harsh measures. If the British establishment does not act soon, Britons will face a Hobson's choice between racial and cultural annihilation or medieval levels of redemptive brutality.

    The same can be said for most of Europe and Canada and the USA,

  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/19934

    To Islamists, the Germans are a bunch of cowards

    It is no secret that Islamists consider the Germans as a bunch of cowards. “You love life, we love death”, they continue to repeat. Because wherever they look, the combatants of Allah see only people and governments only too ready to capitulate.

    And Germany is Europe’s soft underbelly. The Bundeswehr, Germany’s army, already belongs to history; the country has welcomed more than one million Muslims; German ministers envision the creation of an “official Islam”, while German churches are closing at weekly rythm; the Sharia courts are already operating; comedians such as Jan Bohmermann are criminalized and the “night of Cologne” with its mass sexual attacks on women has already been justified by feminists and multiculturalists.

    We could have hailed a meaningful change in the German policy toward Islamic terrorism if the day after the carnage at the Christmas market in Berlin, a couple of German war planes had bombed the Islamists’ bases in the Middle East and pulverized a few dozen of them.

    Nothing happened. Nothing will happen.

    Through these random attacks, Muslims are now trying to understand if and how they can defeat the West. They poured into the streets to demonstrate against the caricatures of Mohammed and found themselves at movie theaters to celebrate the defeat of the Americans in Iraq. They understood that they can succeed.

    Following the appeal launched by Günter Grass following the terrorist attack of September 11 (“the West should wonder what went wrong”), German “civil society” preferred to criticize itself rather than questioning the tangle of feelings that animates the warriors of Allah. They reacted like someone who is threatened by a hurricane does: accumulating supplies, nailing doors and windows and praying that the storm will end as soon as possible…

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    • Replies: @neutral
    The typical neocon response, the answer to the problem of invite the world is to invade the world.
  4. Let’s see….another case of anarcho-tyranny. Sam Francis, you were wise beyond your years.

    At this point, it would seem that even if Frauke Petry’s party won 51% of the vote, that it would also take several years just to flush out the SJW-infected civil service, police admin, schools, courts & media. I can easily see a case where a UN or NATO peace keeping force will have to be sent to help German patriots save the country from the Merkelesque saboteur bureaucracy. Or maybe just put a cordon sanitaire around the entire nation?

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    NATO and the EU exist in order for the Kalergi Plan (see: Atlantropa) to be completed. The CFR, WEF in Davos and the Bilderberg Group meetings are also a part of this.

    I doubt that a newly sane US would be liberating Europe, it would come via the Russians. The collapse of NATO would be a boon to the nationalist Right throughout the West.

    T-14 Armatas rolling down the Champs-Elysees, one can dream, right?
  5. Daniel H says:

    >>he is the youngest of nine, including five sisters

    Grooooooaaaaaaaaan.

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  6. eah says:

    It’s not fair to suggest the German authorities/police aren’t doing anything/enough:

    Polizei prüft Tweet von AfD-Landesvorsitzenden Pretzell — the police are investigating a tweet by Marcus Pretzell, head of the AfD in Nordrhein-Westfalen — Wann schlägt der deutsche Rechtsstaat zurück? Wann hört diese verfluchte Heuchelei endlich auf? Es sind Merkels Tote!#Nizza#Berlin — I guess it was “Es sind Merkels Tote!#Nizza#Berlin” that caused someone to complain to the Social Media Team der Polizei München.

    In fact, das Social Media Team der Polizei München is hiring — so they are very busy:

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  7. eah says:
    @eah
    It's not fair to suggest the German authorities/police aren't doing anything/enough:

    Polizei prüft Tweet von AfD-Landesvorsitzenden Pretzell -- the police are investigating a tweet by Marcus Pretzell, head of the AfD in Nordrhein-Westfalen -- Wann schlägt der deutsche Rechtsstaat zurück? Wann hört diese verfluchte Heuchelei endlich auf? Es sind Merkels Tote!#Nizza#Berlin -- I guess it was "Es sind Merkels Tote!#Nizza#Berlin" that caused someone to complain to the Social Media Team der Polizei München.

    In fact, das Social Media Team der Polizei München is hiring -- so they are very busy:

    https://twitter.com/PolizeiMuenchen/status/804665706608521216

    Übrigens:

    Heimliche Hochzeit und Babyglück: Frauke Petry und Marcus Pretzell haben sich heute das Ja-Wort gegeben — Pretzell and Frauke Petry, de facto head of the AfD, recently married and are expecting a child.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    In the words of the late great Steely Dan 'Pretzel Logic'.
  8. eah says:
    @Anon
    Petty crook, true.

    But when a nation takes in 100,000s of petty crooks, even getting 90,000 of them means 10,000 are on the loose.

    Become infested with lice, and even killing a 1000 lice isn't gonna be enough. There's always more.

    10,000 are on the loose

    Make that 10,001 — Pakistaner Naved B. verschwunden – Erster Verhafteter des Berliner LKW-Anschlags vermisst — the 23 y/o from Pakistan, whom they originally arrested, then released, has disappeared — Naved B. war als erster Tatverdächtiger des Berliner LKW-Anschlags festgenommen worden. Nun vermissen seine Mitbewohner den Pakistaner im Asylheim Tempelhof. Es gibt seit seiner Freilassung keine Nachricht von ihm und sein Handy ist abgeschaltet. — his mobile is turned off — so I guess they cannot just phone him and ask him to come back — ‘How does a poor, desperate refugee afford a mobile phone?’ you ask — don’t ask.

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    • Replies: @eah
    ‘How does a poor, desperate refugee afford a mobile phone?’

    Pat Condell has something to say about that: A Word To The Criminal Migrant -- good video.

    https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/810960846708817920
  9. Fredrik says:
    @Anon
    Europe is like a mighty ship with a big hole. As long as it's unwilling to plug the hole, it doesn't matter how mighty the ship is, how well-armored and well-armed it is, and how well-manned it is.

    If anything, the weight of all that might will only make the ship sink faster as the water keeps coming through the hole that remains unplugged.

    Hole will sink the whole.

    If Germans wanna learn the lesson of WWII, then it is DEFEND THE MOTHERLAND.

    When Germans invaded Russia, Russians knew what to do. Take no chances. Defend the motherland.

    But then, Russians didn't invite the invasion.
    Germans did. What a bunch of morons.

    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That’s why they won’t send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won’t go home. I’m pretty sure even Trump voters won’t stomach that…

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Lesson of WWII for Germans.

    While Hitler was waging wars and invading other nations and destroying much of the world, Germans were oblivious to all that, supported the Fuhrer, and went on with their lives.

    So, the great lesson is that Germans should have stood up and denounced the evil imperialist aggression of the Fuhrer. Germans didn't complain, and the war got so bad that the horrors flooded into Germany itself. Not only Soviets come invading but hordes of German refugees were also pushed into much reduced Germany.

    Today. US has become the leading neo-imperialist power since the end of the Cold War. US has imposed new Reich over Europe called NATO. And the GLOB that rules the US has destroyed the Middle East and North Africa and destroyed millions of Arab/Muslim lives.



    But most Germans have done the same thing their grandfathers and great-grandparents did during WWII. They were oblivious to American destruction of the world, the mass destruction of Arab/Muslim lives, and the horrors unleashed. Just like Germans during WWII just blindly obeyed the Fuhrer, most Germans just go along with their New Master, the war-mongers of Washington DC.
    And once again, Germans, who've remained silent on the neo-imperialist war-mongering, are suffering the effects. Hordes of 'refugees' unleashed by US-led wars are pouring into the EU.
    Germany is part of US-dominated globo-empire, and the GLOB has decided to dump the refugees on Germany with the help of quisling Merkel.

    Germans, instead of denouncing the US for its imperialist wars, are trying to score Pokemon humanitarian points by doing 'good deeds'. But it is so craven and cowardly. If Germans really want to redeem their WWII past, they would stand up and denounce US war-mongering that has caused WWII-level destruction in MENA. They would address the problem of why there are so many refugees in the first place.

    But then, the Holocaust Cult has Germans worshiping Jews as a holy people. Since Jewish power was instrumental in the chaos and destruction in the Middle East, Germans have decided to remain mum. Just play servile dog and try to score pokemon pts by sucking up the US.

    So disgusting.

    If Germany really wants to practice Western humanitarian values, then they should have the courage to stand up against neo-imperialism and war-mongering. The US that helped defeat Nazism has become the new supremacist --- exceptional and indispensable --- nation on Earth. US now believes all other nations are dispensable and unexceptional. Only the supreme US has the right to determine the fate of other nations.

    But then, how much of German behavior can be attributed to sincere sense of guilt? Of is it really fear? If Jews weren't so powerful in US and EU, would Germans be acting like this?
    After all, if Germans are really serious about war guilt, don't forget Nazis killed millions of Russians too. So, why serve the neo-imperialist US and its neo-cold-war hysteria against Russia? Could it be because Russia has no power over Germany that is under the thumb of the US that is largely controlled by Zionist-Glob?

    Merkel is a craven lowlife scum whore.

    If she had any integrity, she would tell the US, "Stop acting like NAZIS! Stop destroying other nations! Stop violating universal humanitarian values. Stop supporting Jihadis in places like Syria! And stop dumping problems you cause on our nations."

    GLOB-run US now acts most illiberal, most imperialist, and most murderous... but then it preaches to EU about the 'liberal values' and why it should take in all these millions of 'refugees'.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    You might be surprised at what we Trump voters would "stomach." We've already had a bellyful of "migrants, immigrants, asylum seekers," choose your euphemism for invaders. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with indefinite duration detention camps for these people, humanely administered, but with no possibility of escape or release into the country of detention. In the case of the United States I think that the Aleutian Islands or the Nevada desert would serve admirably; I'll let Germans decide where to put their camps; perhaps the Russians would rent out some unused Siberian Gulags. People in the camps would be fed, clothed, maybe even put to work, but told firmly: "Here you are and here you will remain, living with your own kind, until your country of origin, or some third country, agree to accept you. Discipline will be swift and rigorous--justice will be meted out by military tribunals and sentences for misconduct will be harsh. You will never set foot outside this camp into Germany/U.S., etc." There will be live web-cam feeds streamed to countries from which these invaders originate to discourage further invasion attempts.
    , @anon
    Those people in the camps on Nauru would have borrowed big to get on the boat to Oz, so they won't be going back empty handed.
    PM Turnbull did a deal with Barry to send 1500 of them to the US, so Trump is going to have to walk the talk early on.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    The main thing the Germans seem to lack is a sense of moderation. As some Brit once noted, "The Hun is either exulting over one's prone body and kicking one in the face with his jackboot or groveling and licking someone else's jackboot." Currently, Germans seem to be groveling. I'd prefer a little more exulting and kicking, at least while dealing with the savage thugs who currently seem bent on the invasion and subjugation of Europe.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Asylum seekers just won’t go home. I’m pretty sure even Trump voters won’t stomach that…"

    Try us.

    I'd like my country back; I really don't care how many foreigners have to be inconvenienced to achieve that.
    , @anon

    I’m pretty sure even Trump voters won’t stomach that…
     
    I consider it a matter of survival so since Merkel my only limit is nukes.
  10. JohnnyD says:

    The German government has gotten awfully good at monitoring its own citizens for expressing thought crimes on social media sites. Here’s a deplorable thought: maybe, the government’s focusing on the wrong people.

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  11. eah says:
    @eah
    10,000 are on the loose

    Make that 10,001 -- Pakistaner Naved B. verschwunden – Erster Verhafteter des Berliner LKW-Anschlags vermisst -- the 23 y/o from Pakistan, whom they originally arrested, then released, has disappeared -- Naved B. war als erster Tatverdächtiger des Berliner LKW-Anschlags festgenommen worden. Nun vermissen seine Mitbewohner den Pakistaner im Asylheim Tempelhof. Es gibt seit seiner Freilassung keine Nachricht von ihm und sein Handy ist abgeschaltet. -- his mobile is turned off -- so I guess they cannot just phone him and ask him to come back -- 'How does a poor, desperate refugee afford a mobile phone?' you ask -- don't ask.

    ‘How does a poor, desperate refugee afford a mobile phone?’

    Pat Condell has something to say about that: A Word To The Criminal Migrant — good video.

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  12. If only Stalin had thought to have his conscript hordes put down their weapons, tear up their papers and simply walk across the German border…

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartzentruber_Amish

    If we had to, YT could beat the invaders at their own game.
  13. “They reacted like someone who is threatened by a hurricane does: accumulating supplies, nailing doors and windows and praying that the storm will end as soon as possible…”

    No, they reacted precisely the opposite. If only we open the windows and doors wide enough , it won’t rain.

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  14. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Hitler’s ultimate revenge? This will cast a looooong shadow!

    We have lessons to learn too. The Iraq & Afghan wars will be with us till 22 century.

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  15. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...

    Lesson of WWII for Germans.

    While Hitler was waging wars and invading other nations and destroying much of the world, Germans were oblivious to all that, supported the Fuhrer, and went on with their lives.

    So, the great lesson is that Germans should have stood up and denounced the evil imperialist aggression of the Fuhrer. Germans didn’t complain, and the war got so bad that the horrors flooded into Germany itself. Not only Soviets come invading but hordes of German refugees were also pushed into much reduced Germany.

    Today. US has become the leading neo-imperialist power since the end of the Cold War. US has imposed new Reich over Europe called NATO. And the GLOB that rules the US has destroyed the Middle East and North Africa and destroyed millions of Arab/Muslim lives.

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    But most Germans have done the same thing their grandfathers and great-grandparents did during WWII. They were oblivious to American destruction of the world, the mass destruction of Arab/Muslim lives, and the horrors unleashed. Just like Germans during WWII just blindly obeyed the Fuhrer, most Germans just go along with their New Master, the war-mongers of Washington DC.
    And once again, Germans, who’ve remained silent on the neo-imperialist war-mongering, are suffering the effects. Hordes of ‘refugees’ unleashed by US-led wars are pouring into the EU.
    Germany is part of US-dominated globo-empire, and the GLOB has decided to dump the refugees on Germany with the help of quisling Merkel.

    Germans, instead of denouncing the US for its imperialist wars, are trying to score Pokemon humanitarian points by doing ‘good deeds’. But it is so craven and cowardly. If Germans really want to redeem their WWII past, they would stand up and denounce US war-mongering that has caused WWII-level destruction in MENA. They would address the problem of why there are so many refugees in the first place.

    But then, the Holocaust Cult has Germans worshiping Jews as a holy people. Since Jewish power was instrumental in the chaos and destruction in the Middle East, Germans have decided to remain mum. Just play servile dog and try to score pokemon pts by sucking up the US.

    So disgusting.

    If Germany really wants to practice Western humanitarian values, then they should have the courage to stand up against neo-imperialism and war-mongering. The US that helped defeat Nazism has become the new supremacist — exceptional and indispensable — nation on Earth. US now believes all other nations are dispensable and unexceptional. Only the supreme US has the right to determine the fate of other nations.

    But then, how much of German behavior can be attributed to sincere sense of guilt? Of is it really fear? If Jews weren’t so powerful in US and EU, would Germans be acting like this?
    After all, if Germans are really serious about war guilt, don’t forget Nazis killed millions of Russians too. So, why serve the neo-imperialist US and its neo-cold-war hysteria against Russia? Could it be because Russia has no power over Germany that is under the thumb of the US that is largely controlled by Zionist-Glob?

    Merkel is a craven lowlife scum whore.

    If she had any integrity, she would tell the US, “Stop acting like NAZIS! Stop destroying other nations! Stop violating universal humanitarian values. Stop supporting Jihadis in places like Syria! And stop dumping problems you cause on our nations.”

    GLOB-run US now acts most illiberal, most imperialist, and most murderous… but then it preaches to EU about the ‘liberal values’ and why it should take in all these millions of ‘refugees’.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    Stop destroying other nations!
     
    That's an agreed upon sentiment here, but a whole lot of these invaders are from countries that have ruined themselves quite nicely without our help.

    This type of legalistic thinking where you apply joint and several liability and decide that the West bears some culpability and thus must get deluged is not a good framework from which to tackle the problem.
  16. Veracitor says:

    Steve, you last brought us the remarks of Ralf Jäger, Interior Minister of North Rhine-Westphalia, one year ago, when Jäger explained that the mass rape of German women at Cologne’s 2015 Christmas Carnival by so-called “asylum seekers” was not more “awful” than the complaints about it on “right-wing” websites!

    When the German public persisted in complaining about mass sexual assault and battery, Jäger tried to placate them by firing police chief Wolfgang Albers, who was Jäger’s long-time toady and henchman. Albers had been carrying out Jäger’s official policy of allowing uncivilized migrants to attack German citizens with impunity.

    If the Germans had any brains at all, they would un-elect Jäger’s Social Democratic Party.

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  17. Der Spiegal has a helpful editorial explaining the politically correct response. Bottom line: you just don’t care.

    Coping with the Berlin Terror Attack: Why not Have a Glühwein – SPIEGEL ONLINE

    There must be something wrong with me. It’s probably something with my head — or my heart. The mass-circulation Bild newspaper, which acts as a barometer of German public sentiment, says on its front page that I should feel “Fear!” But I can feel no fear…

    …But even though the attack took place in Berlin, the city where I have lived for almost 15 years, the horror still feels abstract to me, as if it had all happened in a faraway country. It would be different, of course, if it had happened to someone I know personally, a friend or a family member….

    …A few days before the attack, my wife and I were saying that we should stop by that Christmas market after work, with our son. I shudder when I think that we too could have been standing there when the truck slammed into the crowd. But I don’t think about it for long. We weren’t there. What’s the point of imagining that we were? I have other things to do.

    Is that cold? Maybe. But it’s just the way it is…

    …Something isn’t quite right with me. I am still convinced that it was right to open the borders for refugees in the summer of 2015. I felt that it was a human obligation, nothing more and nothing less. I defiantly insist on remaining charitable, especially now. I cannot bring myself to hate a group or hold a religion responsible for terrorism…

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/coping-with-the-berlin-terror-attack-why-not-have-a-gluehwein-a-1127126.html#ref=nl-international

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    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    This attitude is a good example of Anonymous Conservative's amygdala/r-selection theory. Atrophied, withered amygdala = Being OK with predation, no in-group loyalty, weak emotional responses, xenophilia, callousness. Think of an r-selected species like deer casually eating grass around the carcasses of their dead fellow deer.
  18. Bill B. says:

    We could have hailed a meaningful change in the German policy toward Islamic terrorism if the day after the carnage at the Christmas market in Berlin, a couple of German war planes had bombed the Islamists’ bases in the Middle East and pulverized a few dozen of them.

    Up to a point Lord Copper. The charming little amateur truck driver belongs to an alien, hostile and irrevocably non-western culture energised by a cult of loathing for the outsider.

    The Middle East will most likely always mostly hate the West: that is why we used to have borders. Bombing ISIS may be useful but it is hardly likely to reduce the danger in Germany.

    (N.B. one mark of the uselessness of the EU is that it is not able or willing, even now, to lean on Tunisia to take back deportees. Surely even being anathematized by the EU would have some meaning.)

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "N.B. one mark of the uselessness of the EU is that it is not able or willing, even now, to lean on Tunisia to take back deportees. Surely even being anathematized by the EU would have some meaning."

    I'm sure there's a lot the EU could do, as we saw when the a right-wing administration was in power in Austria for a while. Sanctions and travel bans would be a start. Russians have done me no harm, and the EU has sanctions against them.

    Germany doesn't have a surveillance state like the UK, because it's not needed one. But they'll have one soon enough.

    Invite millions of incompatible people.

    Terrorist attacks follow.

    Install surveillance panopticon "for your safety" - every UK town is crammed with CCTV cameras and number-plate recognition cameras are on all major roads, my last 12 months website visits are available to over 50 organisations including my local health authority.

    Panopticon turns out to also be useful when you don't want the natives organising against the entry of millions of incompatible people.

    Divide et impera.

  19. @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...

    You might be surprised at what we Trump voters would “stomach.” We’ve already had a bellyful of “migrants, immigrants, asylum seekers,” choose your euphemism for invaders. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with indefinite duration detention camps for these people, humanely administered, but with no possibility of escape or release into the country of detention. In the case of the United States I think that the Aleutian Islands or the Nevada desert would serve admirably; I’ll let Germans decide where to put their camps; perhaps the Russians would rent out some unused Siberian Gulags. People in the camps would be fed, clothed, maybe even put to work, but told firmly: “Here you are and here you will remain, living with your own kind, until your country of origin, or some third country, agree to accept you. Discipline will be swift and rigorous–justice will be meted out by military tribunals and sentences for misconduct will be harsh. You will never set foot outside this camp into Germany/U.S., etc.” There will be live web-cam feeds streamed to countries from which these invaders originate to discourage further invasion attempts.

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    • Replies: @another fred
    You left out: not allowed to breed.
    , @BenKenobi

    You might be surprised at what we Trump voters would “stomach.”
     
    Seconded.
  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Steve, as I’ve said here many, many times before, the root of this particular species of madness is EU, and the fucking EU’s insistence that member states are bound by that ridiculous out of date 1951 Geneva Refugee Convention.

    That’s why I was so glad the British electorate saw sense and voted out.

    Of course, any rational sovereign independent state worthy of that name would send an undesirable interloper packing as soon as he drew breath – believe it or not, that’s what European states used to do. But, the stinky EU legally obliges member states to indefinitely harbor obvious trash if they utter certain magic words – and EU bully boys will back up the aforementioned trash all the way to the highest courts.

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  21. Bill B. says:

    This open warfare between thug-migrants and the host societies is deeply unsettling for the impact it may have on traditional Western civilisation.

    Thomas Hobbes wrote in the mid-17th Century that in the jungle it might well be perfectly logical and indeed correct to attack one’s neighbours and feed off the vulnerable:

    In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short

    This is often shunned by liberals as overly extreme and pessimistic and an excuse for a quasi-totalitarian strongman type of government.

    Yet often overlooked is that Hobbes was effectively making the point that in the context of high-trust, out-marrying, non-tribal European societies populations must be given the reassurance that others will not seek to exploit their fair-dealing and pacificity.

    There thus is an absolutely vital requirement of this civilisation that there be a general trust in ‘the sovereign’ to keep the peace and uphold the law.

    The current neglect of basic truths and hard lesson learning over millennia could lead us to who knows where. The enablers of this are traitors – for selling out a civilisation.

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    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The trouble is that these days, 'the Sovereign' (ie the EU) is on *their* side, and not on the side of indigenous ethnic Europeans.

    If genetically European people are to survive on the continent of their origin, then the EU must go. There can be no compromise on this point.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Yes Hobbes is very important - up until today. As is Burke.

    Instead we have - excuse me - Judith Butler, Sheila Benhabib, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, Paul de Man, and lots of minor figures all over the US and Europe -and - - the world.

    On the bright side: Kant, his Holyness the Dalai Lama (migration is no path for mass-happiness), and in Germany Statler and Waldorf - excuse me - two crumpy, old, completely unirritable and thank the lord above bright guys who just won't back down and understand what's going on in all it's terrible simplicity:

    Social Democrat Thilo Sarrazin
    and social scientist Gunnar Heinsohn - both old leftists, by the way.

    Jürgen Habermas has completly lost track. He sees the facist in everybody who talks of borders and the necessity of border-protection (cf. Blätter für Deutsche und Internationale Politik, 11/ 16).

    @ Steve Sailer - the precise and dry way you mirror our situation is almost too hard to take. I tend to laugh a lot, even though.

  22. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Bill B.
    This open warfare between thug-migrants and the host societies is deeply unsettling for the impact it may have on traditional Western civilisation.

    Thomas Hobbes wrote in the mid-17th Century that in the jungle it might well be perfectly logical and indeed correct to attack one's neighbours and feed off the vulnerable:

    In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
     
    This is often shunned by liberals as overly extreme and pessimistic and an excuse for a quasi-totalitarian strongman type of government.

    Yet often overlooked is that Hobbes was effectively making the point that in the context of high-trust, out-marrying, non-tribal European societies populations must be given the reassurance that others will not seek to exploit their fair-dealing and pacificity.

    There thus is an absolutely vital requirement of this civilisation that there be a general trust in 'the sovereign' to keep the peace and uphold the law.

    The current neglect of basic truths and hard lesson learning over millennia could lead us to who knows where. The enablers of this are traitors - for selling out a civilisation.

    The trouble is that these days, ‘the Sovereign’ (ie the EU) is on *their* side, and not on the side of indigenous ethnic Europeans.

    If genetically European people are to survive on the continent of their origin, then the EU must go. There can be no compromise on this point.

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  23. neutral says:
    @Anonymous

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/19934

    To Islamists, the Germans are a bunch of cowards

    It is no secret that Islamists consider the Germans as a bunch of cowards. “You love life, we love death”, they continue to repeat. Because wherever they look, the combatants of Allah see only people and governments only too ready to capitulate.

    And Germany is Europe’s soft underbelly. The Bundeswehr, Germany’s army, already belongs to history; the country has welcomed more than one million Muslims; German ministers envision the creation of an “official Islam”, while German churches are closing at weekly rythm; the Sharia courts are already operating; comedians such as Jan Bohmermann are criminalized and the “night of Cologne” with its mass sexual attacks on women has already been justified by feminists and multiculturalists.

    We could have hailed a meaningful change in the German policy toward Islamic terrorism if the day after the carnage at the Christmas market in Berlin, a couple of German war planes had bombed the Islamists’ bases in the Middle East and pulverized a few dozen of them.

    Nothing happened. Nothing will happen.

    Through these random attacks, Muslims are now trying to understand if and how they can defeat the West. They poured into the streets to demonstrate against the caricatures of Mohammed and found themselves at movie theaters to celebrate the defeat of the Americans in Iraq. They understood that they can succeed.

    Following the appeal launched by Günter Grass following the terrorist attack of September 11 (“the West should wonder what went wrong”), German “civil society” preferred to criticize itself rather than questioning the tangle of feelings that animates the warriors of Allah. They reacted like someone who is threatened by a hurricane does: accumulating supplies, nailing doors and windows and praying that the storm will end as soon as possible...
     

    The typical neocon response, the answer to the problem of invite the world is to invade the world.

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  24. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...

    Those people in the camps on Nauru would have borrowed big to get on the boat to Oz, so they won’t be going back empty handed.
    PM Turnbull did a deal with Barry to send 1500 of them to the US, so Trump is going to have to walk the talk early on.

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    • Replies: @Tacitus2016
    I've spent a lot of time with Syrian refugees in Sweden. Many of them would leave Sweden if conditions improve in Syria. Perhaps a small payment may be an incentive, perhaps an advance on their welfare.

    The Mediterranean coast, sunny days, the call to prayer, "One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"( Obama). As compared to a cold land with cold people and the Eurovision Song Contest, "Not One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"(anyone with ears).

    Here's hoping for a happy ending.

  25. Thomas says:

    It’s actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism. It’s hard not to remember the 1972 Munich Olympics, and how badly the Boches botched that incident, and its aftermath (they cut a deal with the Black September terrorists afterwards to let the surviving gunmen go in exchange for a fake hostage-taking). They formed a reasonably good counterterrorist unit after that (GSG9) that at least had the ability to chase and shoot people and free hostages, and were able to at least keep Communist-inspired terrorism sufficiently under control to avoid it causing a problem for NATO, but I don’t think they ever really made deep changes to their policies to keep foreign bad guys from operating in the country pretty much at will. Keep in mind that the core group of the 9/11 hijackers were based in Hamburg from the late 1990s until 2001.

    I get a feeling that Germany has been sliding in this century into kind of a “Potemkin society” in a lot of ways, with high-level mismanagement, scandals and corruption that just sort of gets glossed over and allowed to fester until it blows up (e.g., the VW emissions scandal; several rounds of Siemens getting caught greasing palms in foreign countries; and Deutsche Bank in serious, possibly fatal, financial trouble as of this year after being rocked by continual losses, penalties, and scandals, including a $7 billion settlement with the US Justice Department over malfeasance in the 2008 crash announced just today). I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses.

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses.
     
    The Eu then would be e way to cover up the losses Germany made financing the EU?

    Funny indeed, - but quite a bit over the top too.

  26. Stogumber says:

    Whatever Americans think about us, we Germans are quite used to ineffectual governments.
    The Weimar governments were spectacularly ineffectual – which explains the rise of Hitler.
    Then, even Hitler was somewhat ineffectual about immigrants. He tried to expel the mass of Jewish illegal immigrants back to Poland, but Poland (as Tunisia nowadays) refused to take them back and they stranded at a place between. Which gave the reason why Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a clerk of the German embassy at Paris. Not much of a political success for Hitler.

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    • Replies: @szopen
    This is not the full story. Poland announced that all Polish Jews living in Germany who wish to keep their Polish citizenship, must confirm it by November the 1st. Most of Polish Jews living in Germany simply ignored this demand. German then announced, that they want to protect Polish Jews from the fate of losing Polish citizenship, and, with no consultation with Polish government, tried to deport them on October 28 and 29. When Polish custom workers realised who was in "special train", they blocked its entrance and long negotiations started, with Poland finally agreeing to accept deportees in January 1939.
    , @Opinionator
    He tried to expel the mass of Jewish illegal immigrants back to Poland, but Poland (as Tunisia nowadays) refused to take them back and they stranded at a place between. Which gave the reason why Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a clerk of the German embassy at Paris.

    Why was the expulsion of illigal aliens seen as a justification to murder someone in cold blood?
  27. donut says:

    I think that Negro is on the down low . What do you say angry bitter field hand ? Is that uppity surely house boy neglecting your thick manly SOS pad and instead dreaming about some soft downy white shrubbery or are all his fantasies centered around Massa’s May Pole ?

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  28. bomag says:
    @Anon
    Lesson of WWII for Germans.

    While Hitler was waging wars and invading other nations and destroying much of the world, Germans were oblivious to all that, supported the Fuhrer, and went on with their lives.

    So, the great lesson is that Germans should have stood up and denounced the evil imperialist aggression of the Fuhrer. Germans didn't complain, and the war got so bad that the horrors flooded into Germany itself. Not only Soviets come invading but hordes of German refugees were also pushed into much reduced Germany.

    Today. US has become the leading neo-imperialist power since the end of the Cold War. US has imposed new Reich over Europe called NATO. And the GLOB that rules the US has destroyed the Middle East and North Africa and destroyed millions of Arab/Muslim lives.



    But most Germans have done the same thing their grandfathers and great-grandparents did during WWII. They were oblivious to American destruction of the world, the mass destruction of Arab/Muslim lives, and the horrors unleashed. Just like Germans during WWII just blindly obeyed the Fuhrer, most Germans just go along with their New Master, the war-mongers of Washington DC.
    And once again, Germans, who've remained silent on the neo-imperialist war-mongering, are suffering the effects. Hordes of 'refugees' unleashed by US-led wars are pouring into the EU.
    Germany is part of US-dominated globo-empire, and the GLOB has decided to dump the refugees on Germany with the help of quisling Merkel.

    Germans, instead of denouncing the US for its imperialist wars, are trying to score Pokemon humanitarian points by doing 'good deeds'. But it is so craven and cowardly. If Germans really want to redeem their WWII past, they would stand up and denounce US war-mongering that has caused WWII-level destruction in MENA. They would address the problem of why there are so many refugees in the first place.

    But then, the Holocaust Cult has Germans worshiping Jews as a holy people. Since Jewish power was instrumental in the chaos and destruction in the Middle East, Germans have decided to remain mum. Just play servile dog and try to score pokemon pts by sucking up the US.

    So disgusting.

    If Germany really wants to practice Western humanitarian values, then they should have the courage to stand up against neo-imperialism and war-mongering. The US that helped defeat Nazism has become the new supremacist --- exceptional and indispensable --- nation on Earth. US now believes all other nations are dispensable and unexceptional. Only the supreme US has the right to determine the fate of other nations.

    But then, how much of German behavior can be attributed to sincere sense of guilt? Of is it really fear? If Jews weren't so powerful in US and EU, would Germans be acting like this?
    After all, if Germans are really serious about war guilt, don't forget Nazis killed millions of Russians too. So, why serve the neo-imperialist US and its neo-cold-war hysteria against Russia? Could it be because Russia has no power over Germany that is under the thumb of the US that is largely controlled by Zionist-Glob?

    Merkel is a craven lowlife scum whore.

    If she had any integrity, she would tell the US, "Stop acting like NAZIS! Stop destroying other nations! Stop violating universal humanitarian values. Stop supporting Jihadis in places like Syria! And stop dumping problems you cause on our nations."

    GLOB-run US now acts most illiberal, most imperialist, and most murderous... but then it preaches to EU about the 'liberal values' and why it should take in all these millions of 'refugees'.

    Stop destroying other nations!

    That’s an agreed upon sentiment here, but a whole lot of these invaders are from countries that have ruined themselves quite nicely without our help.

    This type of legalistic thinking where you apply joint and several liability and decide that the West bears some culpability and thus must get deluged is not a good framework from which to tackle the problem.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.
  29. Heh.

    Perhaps somehow, somewhere in themselves, the Germans can find the organizational skills and efficiency that are alien to them and round up these people who are not like themselves, confine them in camps, and put them on trains heading out of Germany…

    But surely it would take a triumph of the will to do so?

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    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    If only you weren't right.

    Two weeks ago, - after a procedure, that went on for more than a year, 36 people were put on a plane in Frankfurt, accompagnied by protests (!), to be flown out.

    The German government admits, that not more than half a percent of the asylum seekers are in the end formally accepted as such. The ehem - rest - - is just accepted for good. - In the meantime, a big chunk of the german middle-class, be they social workers, or lawyers, judges, teachers, doctors and so forth (prison-clerks...), live of the hundreds of thousands of cases, in which they can act.

    The poor sufferers are those from the underclass, who now get even pushed aside, when the question of housing for refugees is adressed. Their kids in the schools suffer from classes, in which at some places, there's only a few german kids left. The social security system is under enormous stress. The upper middle class and the upper class move to the parts of town, that are not affected (if they're not already there), have their kids in private schools ...

    Whereas at the same time, Germany supports the rest of the EU with more than 800 billion in trade-subsidies alone, which are credits, but are called "target salden" - but those are funny credits, not only because of their - never before heard of - name, but also because of the dry fact, that the biggest part of this sum is definitely lost by now.
    You really don't get, how this all can work. But until now, it does. Interesting times.

    , @B36
    Madagascar is nice this time of year.
  30. Anon 2 says:

    There is a recent book, that Rod Dreher at the American Conservative
    is raving about, that’s relevant to the malaise (Jimmy Carter anyone?) that has
    befallen the West. It’s called “The Demon in Democracy – Totalitarian Temptations
    in Free Societies,” and was written by prof. Ryszard Legutko who is
    a Polish political philosopher and a member of the European
    Parliament. Ross Douthat also mentioned it at the NYT in yesterday’s column
    “Books for the Trump era”.

    Legutko is basically saying in the space of 182 pages, so it’s a quick read, that
    the tyranny of the left was not limited to the Marxist societies. It has appeared in
    liberal democracies as well, and in fact is gaining momentum in western Europe
    and the U.S. The book has hovered mostly in the 5-10,000 range on Amazon in the
    last several months so Legutko, who is now on a world book tour, is earning
    pretty good money in royalties. It’s probably also being translated from Polish
    into languages other than English

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  31. So, there’s a continent-wide manhunt for a guy, and I’ve seen quite a few pictures of his face with the eyes pixelated, because of data protection and privacy laws.

    To paraphrase Obelix, “these Westerners are crazy”.

    Latest news from a few minutes ago: he was shot to death in Milan.

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    • Replies: @Tom-in-VA
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38415287

    Here's the BBC story.
  32. bomag says:

    he is the youngest of nine

    The other side is using math against us. Not good.

    Nineteen at the time, he and two others set fire to the migrant center in a protest against their living conditions and the slowness of Italy’s procedures.

    IOW, treating the new home the same as the old home.

    Because of Germany’s painful experience with totalitarian government, the threshold for legal surveillance is high…

    …while the surveilling probe of political correctness is inserted ever deeper into the populace’s body cavity

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  33. Maj. Kong says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Let's see....another case of anarcho-tyranny. Sam Francis, you were wise beyond your years.

    At this point, it would seem that even if Frauke Petry's party won 51% of the vote, that it would also take several years just to flush out the SJW-infected civil service, police admin, schools, courts & media. I can easily see a case where a UN or NATO peace keeping force will have to be sent to help German patriots save the country from the Merkelesque saboteur bureaucracy. Or maybe just put a cordon sanitaire around the entire nation?

    NATO and the EU exist in order for the Kalergi Plan (see: Atlantropa) to be completed. The CFR, WEF in Davos and the Bilderberg Group meetings are also a part of this.

    I doubt that a newly sane US would be liberating Europe, it would come via the Russians. The collapse of NATO would be a boon to the nationalist Right throughout the West.

    T-14 Armatas rolling down the Champs-Elysees, one can dream, right?

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  34. @anon
    Those people in the camps on Nauru would have borrowed big to get on the boat to Oz, so they won't be going back empty handed.
    PM Turnbull did a deal with Barry to send 1500 of them to the US, so Trump is going to have to walk the talk early on.

    I’ve spent a lot of time with Syrian refugees in Sweden. Many of them would leave Sweden if conditions improve in Syria. Perhaps a small payment may be an incentive, perhaps an advance on their welfare.

    The Mediterranean coast, sunny days, the call to prayer, “One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth”( Obama). As compared to a cold land with cold people and the Eurovision Song Contest, “Not One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth”(anyone with ears).

    Here’s hoping for a happy ending.

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    • Replies: @Tacitus2016
    Link should have gone to Fredrik. Wine.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Right. If the war ends, pay them to go back to their sunny homes.

    Everybody is happy.

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?

    , @Giant Goose
    Haha, all emigrants hope someday to return to their home countries. It doesn't happen as often as it should because, unless they get rich, returning will usually mean a significant drop in living standards. These people are here to stay.
  35. @Bill B.
    This open warfare between thug-migrants and the host societies is deeply unsettling for the impact it may have on traditional Western civilisation.

    Thomas Hobbes wrote in the mid-17th Century that in the jungle it might well be perfectly logical and indeed correct to attack one's neighbours and feed off the vulnerable:

    In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently no culture of the earth, no navigation nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short
     
    This is often shunned by liberals as overly extreme and pessimistic and an excuse for a quasi-totalitarian strongman type of government.

    Yet often overlooked is that Hobbes was effectively making the point that in the context of high-trust, out-marrying, non-tribal European societies populations must be given the reassurance that others will not seek to exploit their fair-dealing and pacificity.

    There thus is an absolutely vital requirement of this civilisation that there be a general trust in 'the sovereign' to keep the peace and uphold the law.

    The current neglect of basic truths and hard lesson learning over millennia could lead us to who knows where. The enablers of this are traitors - for selling out a civilisation.

    Yes Hobbes is very important – up until today. As is Burke.

    Instead we have – excuse me – Judith Butler, Sheila Benhabib, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, Paul de Man, and lots of minor figures all over the US and Europe -and – – the world.

    On the bright side: Kant, his Holyness the Dalai Lama (migration is no path for mass-happiness), and in Germany Statler and Waldorf – excuse me – two crumpy, old, completely unirritable and thank the lord above bright guys who just won’t back down and understand what’s going on in all it’s terrible simplicity:

    Social Democrat Thilo Sarrazin
    and social scientist Gunnar Heinsohn – both old leftists, by the way.

    Jürgen Habermas has completly lost track. He sees the facist in everybody who talks of borders and the necessity of border-protection (cf. Blätter für Deutsche und Internationale Politik, 11/ 16).

    @ Steve Sailer – the precise and dry way you mirror our situation is almost too hard to take. I tend to laugh a lot, even though.

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  36. Maj. Kong says:
    @Literally worse than Hitler
    If only Stalin had thought to have his conscript hordes put down their weapons, tear up their papers and simply walk across the German border...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartzentruber_Amish

    If we had to, YT could beat the invaders at their own game.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I've been to Holmes County, Ohio, I think in 2013.
    , @another fred
    I love the chart at the Swartzentruber Amish link. Reminds me of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4


    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    , @Not Raul
    The Amish use motorized washing machines?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Amish

    There are people who live within twenty miles of Sea World who don't use motorized washing machines.
  37. @Tacitus2016
    I've spent a lot of time with Syrian refugees in Sweden. Many of them would leave Sweden if conditions improve in Syria. Perhaps a small payment may be an incentive, perhaps an advance on their welfare.

    The Mediterranean coast, sunny days, the call to prayer, "One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"( Obama). As compared to a cold land with cold people and the Eurovision Song Contest, "Not One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"(anyone with ears).

    Here's hoping for a happy ending.

    Link should have gone to Fredrik. Wine.

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  38. @Maj. Kong
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartzentruber_Amish

    If we had to, YT could beat the invaders at their own game.

    I’ve been to Holmes County, Ohio, I think in 2013.

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  39. @PiltdownMan
    Heh.

    Perhaps somehow, somewhere in themselves, the Germans can find the organizational skills and efficiency that are alien to them and round up these people who are not like themselves, confine them in camps, and put them on trains heading out of Germany...

    But surely it would take a triumph of the will to do so?

    If only you weren’t right.

    Two weeks ago, – after a procedure, that went on for more than a year, 36 people were put on a plane in Frankfurt, accompagnied by protests (!), to be flown out.

    The German government admits, that not more than half a percent of the asylum seekers are in the end formally accepted as such. The ehem – rest – – is just accepted for good. – In the meantime, a big chunk of the german middle-class, be they social workers, or lawyers, judges, teachers, doctors and so forth (prison-clerks…), live of the hundreds of thousands of cases, in which they can act.

    The poor sufferers are those from the underclass, who now get even pushed aside, when the question of housing for refugees is adressed. Their kids in the schools suffer from classes, in which at some places, there’s only a few german kids left. The social security system is under enormous stress. The upper middle class and the upper class move to the parts of town, that are not affected (if they’re not already there), have their kids in private schools …

    Whereas at the same time, Germany supports the rest of the EU with more than 800 billion in trade-subsidies alone, which are credits, but are called “target salden” – but those are funny credits, not only because of their – never before heard of – name, but also because of the dry fact, that the biggest part of this sum is definitely lost by now.
    You really don’t get, how this all can work. But until now, it does. Interesting times.

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  40. @Tacitus2016
    I've spent a lot of time with Syrian refugees in Sweden. Many of them would leave Sweden if conditions improve in Syria. Perhaps a small payment may be an incentive, perhaps an advance on their welfare.

    The Mediterranean coast, sunny days, the call to prayer, "One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"( Obama). As compared to a cold land with cold people and the Eurovision Song Contest, "Not One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"(anyone with ears).

    Here's hoping for a happy ending.

    Right. If the war ends, pay them to go back to their sunny homes.

    Everybody is happy.

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?

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    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?
     
    Nobody knows.

    Hans Magnus Enzensberger in "Civil Wars - from L. A to Bosnia" (1994) has it this way: To answer the question, wether a civil war will end, you have to be able to determine, wether everybody involved in it has become - tired. Then you need tricksters like Sysyphos to try and make a convincible story out of the mess. Then you might suceed - as did Sysyphos with his stone.
    The ancient Greeks honoured him in claiming that his name is a comparison of sophos - wise...
    Enzensberger's small essay is a lasting achievement and a great read. I highly recommend it!

    Ok - and to judge, wether the participants in the Syrian war are tired enough, you have to decide about a few dozen players - all more or less intertwined:

    http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/macblog_middleEast-IPAD.jpg

    And this you can't know - and you can only predict, if you don't care about those bad feelings, that predictions give you, in case ou fail - if that sounds about right to you...

    , @anonymous
    Who can say for sure at this point? Is there something for them to return to? Have their homes and towns been destroyed and depopulated? Also, who are these 'refugees' exactly? How many might be known as anti-Assad types? Also, the young men are draft dodgers and did not help the country fight off the destructive fanatics in it's time of greatest peril so would they be welcomed to come back by those who stayed during those times and suffered greatly as a result, many having family members who were killed in the defense of the country?
    , @Brutusale
    According to Al Jazeera, Syrians make up less than 40% of the refugees to Germany. Truck Boy was himself was Tunisian. This isn't and never was about Syrian refugees, but about the entirety of the wretched refuse of Islamic countries bum-rushing Europe after we killed Kaddafi.

    The Left is willing to risk the destruction of their societies to aid alien invaders. A good number of Trump voters are willing to destroy the alien invaders to save their societies.
  41. @Bill B.

    We could have hailed a meaningful change in the German policy toward Islamic terrorism if the day after the carnage at the Christmas market in Berlin, a couple of German war planes had bombed the Islamists’ bases in the Middle East and pulverized a few dozen of them.
     
    Up to a point Lord Copper. The charming little amateur truck driver belongs to an alien, hostile and irrevocably non-western culture energised by a cult of loathing for the outsider.

    The Middle East will most likely always mostly hate the West: that is why we used to have borders. Bombing ISIS may be useful but it is hardly likely to reduce the danger in Germany.

    (N.B. one mark of the uselessness of the EU is that it is not able or willing, even now, to lean on Tunisia to take back deportees. Surely even being anathematized by the EU would have some meaning.)

    “N.B. one mark of the uselessness of the EU is that it is not able or willing, even now, to lean on Tunisia to take back deportees. Surely even being anathematized by the EU would have some meaning.”

    I’m sure there’s a lot the EU could do, as we saw when the a right-wing administration was in power in Austria for a while. Sanctions and travel bans would be a start. Russians have done me no harm, and the EU has sanctions against them.

    Germany doesn’t have a surveillance state like the UK, because it’s not needed one. But they’ll have one soon enough.

    Invite millions of incompatible people.

    Terrorist attacks follow.

    Install surveillance panopticon “for your safety” – every UK town is crammed with CCTV cameras and number-plate recognition cameras are on all major roads, my last 12 months website visits are available to over 50 organisations including my local health authority.

    Panopticon turns out to also be useful when you don’t want the natives organising against the entry of millions of incompatible people.

    Divide et impera.

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  42. @Thomas
    It's actually possible that the Germans really do suck at internal security and antiterrorism. It's hard not to remember the 1972 Munich Olympics, and how badly the Boches botched that incident, and its aftermath (they cut a deal with the Black September terrorists afterwards to let the surviving gunmen go in exchange for a fake hostage-taking). They formed a reasonably good counterterrorist unit after that (GSG9) that at least had the ability to chase and shoot people and free hostages, and were able to at least keep Communist-inspired terrorism sufficiently under control to avoid it causing a problem for NATO, but I don't think they ever really made deep changes to their policies to keep foreign bad guys from operating in the country pretty much at will. Keep in mind that the core group of the 9/11 hijackers were based in Hamburg from the late 1990s until 2001.

    I get a feeling that Germany has been sliding in this century into kind of a "Potemkin society" in a lot of ways, with high-level mismanagement, scandals and corruption that just sort of gets glossed over and allowed to fester until it blows up (e.g., the VW emissions scandal; several rounds of Siemens getting caught greasing palms in foreign countries; and Deutsche Bank in serious, possibly fatal, financial trouble as of this year after being rocked by continual losses, penalties, and scandals, including a $7 billion settlement with the US Justice Department over malfeasance in the 2008 crash announced just today). I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses.

    The Eu then would be e way to cover up the losses Germany made financing the EU?

    Funny indeed, – but quite a bit over the top too.

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    The Eu then would be e way to cover up the losses Germany made financing the EU?
     
    Maybe you cut to the chase and cut out a step then, the EU as just one really big, really bad investment that Germany can't bury. Too big to fail.
  43. @Steve Sailer
    Right. If the war ends, pay them to go back to their sunny homes.

    Everybody is happy.

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?

    Nobody knows.

    Hans Magnus Enzensberger in “Civil Wars – from L. A to Bosnia” (1994) has it this way: To answer the question, wether a civil war will end, you have to be able to determine, wether everybody involved in it has become – tired. Then you need tricksters like Sysyphos to try and make a convincible story out of the mess. Then you might suceed – as did Sysyphos with his stone.
    The ancient Greeks honoured him in claiming that his name is a comparison of sophos – wise…
    Enzensberger’s small essay is a lasting achievement and a great read. I highly recommend it!

    Ok – and to judge, wether the participants in the Syrian war are tired enough, you have to decide about a few dozen players – all more or less intertwined:

    And this you can’t know – and you can only predict, if you don’t care about those bad feelings, that predictions give you, in case ou fail – if that sounds about right to you…

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  44. Tom-in-VA says:
    @Cattle Guard
    So, there's a continent-wide manhunt for a guy, and I've seen quite a few pictures of his face with the eyes pixelated, because of data protection and privacy laws.

    To paraphrase Obelix, "these Westerners are crazy".

    Latest news from a few minutes ago: he was shot to death in Milan.

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  45. Thomas says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it comes out in the next few years that the EU has been, in no small part, a vehicle for Germany, its banks and industry, to basically cover up a lot of bad decisions and losses.
     
    The Eu then would be e way to cover up the losses Germany made financing the EU?

    Funny indeed, - but quite a bit over the top too.

    The Eu then would be e way to cover up the losses Germany made financing the EU?

    Maybe you cut to the chase and cut out a step then, the EU as just one really big, really bad investment that Germany can’t bury. Too big to fail.

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    really bad investment that Germany can’t bury
     
    Just recently Thilo Sarrazin discussed the question, wether the target-construction - which by now sums up to 800 billion German euros, - would mean something of a danger to German finances. His dry answer: No.
    The reason: The money has already been spent on our ever so suffering neighbours! - No need to bury it, we just won't get it back. In the bst case, we won't get more back than say what - 32 %? - Something like this, or from there down - this should be the rate.

    Following this scheme, you could go through a few other European financial interdependencies - with almost the same result, I'd assume.

  46. ic1000 says:

    I doubt that many NYT readers even notice the odd grammar and contorted reasoning that its writers employ to tell this sorry story of Germany as the inheritor of that title of a century past, the Sick Man Of Europe.

    In their account, Angela Merkel is struggling manfully to correct the misbegotten policies that somebody (probably a stale rightwing male) foisted on her. And so on, for the length of the article.

    The entire government appatus is ineffective at protecting Germans and Germany from waves of hostile illegal-alien feral fraudulent violent foreign criminals, because… because… the German counterparts of grrl-power reporters Alison Smale, Carlotta Gall, and Gaia [sic] Planagiani have succeeded in fashioning the country’s politics and policies to their liking. Both as voters and as cogs in the corporate media machine.

    You say that stale pale Enoch Powell’s speech now sounds prescient? You mean that it’s crimestop that prevents me from writing clear sentences and logical paragraphs in my native language?

    Oh.

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  47. “Failing that, arrest them and keep them locked up until they can be deported”
    this sounds a little bit harsh, maybe nicer but with the same effect
    arrest them and keep them locked up until they can be deported OR leave voluntary

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  48. szopen says:
    @Stogumber
    Whatever Americans think about us, we Germans are quite used to ineffectual governments.
    The Weimar governments were spectacularly ineffectual - which explains the rise of Hitler.
    Then, even Hitler was somewhat ineffectual about immigrants. He tried to expel the mass of Jewish illegal immigrants back to Poland, but Poland (as Tunisia nowadays) refused to take them back and they stranded at a place between. Which gave the reason why Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a clerk of the German embassy at Paris. Not much of a political success for Hitler.

    This is not the full story. Poland announced that all Polish Jews living in Germany who wish to keep their Polish citizenship, must confirm it by November the 1st. Most of Polish Jews living in Germany simply ignored this demand. German then announced, that they want to protect Polish Jews from the fate of losing Polish citizenship, and, with no consultation with Polish government, tried to deport them on October 28 and 29. When Polish custom workers realised who was in “special train”, they blocked its entrance and long negotiations started, with Poland finally agreeing to accept deportees in January 1939.

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  49. TheJester says:

    We should not be too quick to point fingers at Germany. I see little difference in the way Germany and the United States currently handle immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers … or, whatever you want to call them.

    Apparently, Hispanics and others flash mobbing the southern border no longer have to sneak into the United States. They wait until they see a border agent and turn themselves in. Of course, they claim asylum from something disagreeable in their native countries. (They are disagreeable places, like almost everywhere else on planet earth except Western countries.) Then, they are collected and bussed to local reception centers. By law, these cannot look like or function as prisons. After their asylum requests are logged, the asylum seekers are given the right to work, a court date perhaps four or five years in the future, and released into the general population. Few bother to show up for their court dates. They have disappeared and are untraceable.

    Tracking people from “terrorist” countries? On his way out the door, Obama is apparently dismantling the so-called Muslim registry that logged visitors from countries with active terrorist groups. A moot point since DHS hasn’t used it since 2011, although at one time the registry listed arrivals from at least 25 countries and amassed a roster of 80,000 names of teenage boys and men.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/371306-obama-dismantling-muslim-registry/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    Of course Germany and the United States currently share the same immigrant problems because they share the same political ideology and policies. Merkel and Obama are both notorious anti-nationalists who have opened their borders to whomever wants to come in their collective advocacy for globalization and their battle against Western Civilization in general and White racism in particular.

    We got rid of our notorious anti-nationalist and his administration. To save itself, Germany needs to wake up and do the same.

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  50. George says:

    “But when matched up against a criminal mastermind like this, what is the poor little government of Germany supposed to do?”

    You are off by atleast 5 orders of magnitude:

    But when matched up against a 100,000 criminal masterminds like this, what is the poor little government of Germany supposed to do?

    But the real problem is Europe blindly accepted US leadership which lead to a ring of nations neighboring Europe from Tunisia to Ukraine, being lit on fire.

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  51. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @eah
    Übrigens:

    Heimliche Hochzeit und Babyglück: Frauke Petry und Marcus Pretzell haben sich heute das Ja-Wort gegeben -- Pretzell and Frauke Petry, de facto head of the AfD, recently married and are expecting a child.

    In the words of the late great Steely Dan ‘Pretzel Logic’.

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  52. B36 says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Heh.

    Perhaps somehow, somewhere in themselves, the Germans can find the organizational skills and efficiency that are alien to them and round up these people who are not like themselves, confine them in camps, and put them on trains heading out of Germany...

    But surely it would take a triumph of the will to do so?

    Madagascar is nice this time of year.

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  53. @Thomas

    The Eu then would be e way to cover up the losses Germany made financing the EU?
     
    Maybe you cut to the chase and cut out a step then, the EU as just one really big, really bad investment that Germany can't bury. Too big to fail.

    really bad investment that Germany can’t bury

    Just recently Thilo Sarrazin discussed the question, wether the target-construction – which by now sums up to 800 billion German euros, – would mean something of a danger to German finances. His dry answer: No.
    The reason: The money has already been spent on our ever so suffering neighbours! – No need to bury it, we just won’t get it back. In the bst case, we won’t get more back than say what – 32 %? – Something like this, or from there down – this should be the rate.

    Following this scheme, you could go through a few other European financial interdependencies – with almost the same result, I’d assume.

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  54. @Diversity Heretic
    You might be surprised at what we Trump voters would "stomach." We've already had a bellyful of "migrants, immigrants, asylum seekers," choose your euphemism for invaders. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with indefinite duration detention camps for these people, humanely administered, but with no possibility of escape or release into the country of detention. In the case of the United States I think that the Aleutian Islands or the Nevada desert would serve admirably; I'll let Germans decide where to put their camps; perhaps the Russians would rent out some unused Siberian Gulags. People in the camps would be fed, clothed, maybe even put to work, but told firmly: "Here you are and here you will remain, living with your own kind, until your country of origin, or some third country, agree to accept you. Discipline will be swift and rigorous--justice will be meted out by military tribunals and sentences for misconduct will be harsh. You will never set foot outside this camp into Germany/U.S., etc." There will be live web-cam feeds streamed to countries from which these invaders originate to discourage further invasion attempts.

    You left out: not allowed to breed.

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    Good add--that would be another feature of the detention camps that I would have no difficulty "stomaching."

    I would also add that before detention in the camps, a genuine effort would be made to find a country that would take them, possibly with financial incentives and compensation for property that the persons being expelled could not take with them. The round-ups and camps happen only when "sweet reason" has failed. I think after the first wave is sent to the camps and the illegals know that we're not messing around, there would be massive self-deportation.
  55. @Maj. Kong
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartzentruber_Amish

    If we had to, YT could beat the invaders at their own game.

    I love the chart at the Swartzentruber Amish link. Reminds me of this:

    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

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  56. @Frau Katze
    Der Spiegal has a helpful editorial explaining the politically correct response. Bottom line: you just don't care.

    Coping with the Berlin Terror Attack: Why not Have a Glühwein - SPIEGEL ONLINE

    There must be something wrong with me. It's probably something with my head -- or my heart. The mass-circulation Bild newspaper, which acts as a barometer of German public sentiment, says on its front page that I should feel "Fear!" But I can feel no fear...

    ...But even though the attack took place in Berlin, the city where I have lived for almost 15 years, the horror still feels abstract to me, as if it had all happened in a faraway country. It would be different, of course, if it had happened to someone I know personally, a friend or a family member....

    ...A few days before the attack, my wife and I were saying that we should stop by that Christmas market after work, with our son. I shudder when I think that we too could have been standing there when the truck slammed into the crowd. But I don't think about it for long. We weren't there. What's the point of imagining that we were? I have other things to do.

    Is that cold? Maybe. But it's just the way it is...

    ...Something isn't quite right with me. I am still convinced that it was right to open the borders for refugees in the summer of 2015. I felt that it was a human obligation, nothing more and nothing less. I defiantly insist on remaining charitable, especially now. I cannot bring myself to hate a group or hold a religion responsible for terrorism...

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/coping-with-the-berlin-terror-attack-why-not-have-a-gluehwein-a-1127126.html#ref=nl-international
     

    This attitude is a good example of Anonymous Conservative’s amygdala/r-selection theory. Atrophied, withered amygdala = Being OK with predation, no in-group loyalty, weak emotional responses, xenophilia, callousness. Think of an r-selected species like deer casually eating grass around the carcasses of their dead fellow deer.

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    The callousness struck me immediately. I find the writer (and Der Spiegel) disgraceful. Yep, he'd be the deer you describe.

    It's got to the point where in the "elite", "trendy" circles, this horrid response (I care about foreigners more than about my co-ethnics) is compulsory.

    If I could, I'd punch this guy happily.

    No comments permitted. News sites disable comments if they sense the commenters might not agree with them.
  57. @Tacitus2016
    I've spent a lot of time with Syrian refugees in Sweden. Many of them would leave Sweden if conditions improve in Syria. Perhaps a small payment may be an incentive, perhaps an advance on their welfare.

    The Mediterranean coast, sunny days, the call to prayer, "One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"( Obama). As compared to a cold land with cold people and the Eurovision Song Contest, "Not One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"(anyone with ears).

    Here's hoping for a happy ending.

    Haha, all emigrants hope someday to return to their home countries. It doesn’t happen as often as it should because, unless they get rich, returning will usually mean a significant drop in living standards. These people are here to stay.

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  58. @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...

    The main thing the Germans seem to lack is a sense of moderation. As some Brit once noted, “The Hun is either exulting over one’s prone body and kicking one in the face with his jackboot or groveling and licking someone else’s jackboot.” Currently, Germans seem to be groveling. I’d prefer a little more exulting and kicking, at least while dealing with the savage thugs who currently seem bent on the invasion and subjugation of Europe.

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    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it. Don't assume that if the Germans go into ass-kicking mode it will only be for people you don't like.

    Germans generally believe "a thing worth doing is worth doing well" so once they put their mind to a goal they tend to be thorough to a fault. The Japanese have some similar tendencies so it is not a coincidence that they both ended up at the top of the heap in manufacturing the world's #1 complex manufactured item, automobiles.
    , @Dan Hayes
    "Some Brit" was Sir Winston Churchill, not so fondly categorized by some as an unendited war criminal.
  59. @Anon
    Petty crook, true.

    But when a nation takes in 100,000s of petty crooks, even getting 90,000 of them means 10,000 are on the loose.

    Become infested with lice, and even killing a 1000 lice isn't gonna be enough. There's always more.

    When Evans-Pritchard once asked a Nuer informant why Nuer warriors killed Dinka infants, the reply was, “Because nits grow into lice.”

    The only hope for a peaceful and civilized solution to the immigrant/invader crisis in Europe, the Americas, and Australia-New Zealand is to end all undesirable immigration now, and act quickly and ruthlessly to ameliorate the bad consequences of past errors by returning all of these uninvited foreigners to their homelands. Otherwise, the White natives will eventually either respond to imminent peril with the same savagery expressed by that Nuer or else face their own extinction. Then the consequences will be mind-numbingly horrific.

    Because Britain refused to listen to Enoch Powell’s warnings when humane limits on immigration would have solved the problems which Powell foresaw, Britain is now faced with an immigration-fueled disaster that can only be ameliorated with harsh measures. If the British establishment does not act soon, Britons will face a Hobson’s choice between racial and cultural annihilation or medieval levels of redemptive brutality.

    The same can be said for most of Europe and Canada and the USA,

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Britain is now faced with an immigration-fueled disaster that can only be ameliorated with harsh measures. If the British establishment does not act soon, Britons will face a Hobson’s choice between racial and cultural annihilation or medieval levels of redemptive brutality.

    Why are those the only alternatives? Why cannot Britain, the United States, Canada, etc. continue as they are now, in relative peace and coexistence?
  60. Jack D says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    The main thing the Germans seem to lack is a sense of moderation. As some Brit once noted, "The Hun is either exulting over one's prone body and kicking one in the face with his jackboot or groveling and licking someone else's jackboot." Currently, Germans seem to be groveling. I'd prefer a little more exulting and kicking, at least while dealing with the savage thugs who currently seem bent on the invasion and subjugation of Europe.

    Be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it. Don’t assume that if the Germans go into ass-kicking mode it will only be for people you don’t like.

    Germans generally believe “a thing worth doing is worth doing well” so once they put their mind to a goal they tend to be thorough to a fault. The Japanese have some similar tendencies so it is not a coincidence that they both ended up at the top of the heap in manufacturing the world’s #1 complex manufactured item, automobiles.

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    • Replies: @Not Raul
    Germans getting their act together

    Pros: No Eurabia.

    Cons: Stettin and Carlsbad become part of Germany again.

    Tough choice.
  61. Jack D says:

    His lack of Tunisian identity papers meant the German authorities could neither deport nor detain him.

    When the modern leftist state is not fulfilling Orwell’s prophecies they are busy fulfilling Kafka’s.

    Or maybe it’s Heller’s Catch-22.

    “A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules.”

    Or in this case an entire nation. Those lying crushed beneath the wheels of that rig were victims of a 21st century Catch-22.

    Obviously something bigger was going on here. Even the most stupid, mechanistic bureaucratic system cannot be so dysfunctional that a simple lack of papers can induce paralysis in a powerful state. Kryptonite only exists in comic books. This must be Orwell’s “protective stupidity” in action and not just ordinary stupidity.

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    The 'kryptonite' is the 1951 Refugee Convention - and the vehemence that the European Court of Justice enforces it.
    If ever that ancient occult notion of 'magic words' ever had any meaning, it's in this instance.
    Plus, the Schengen open borders arrangement doesn't help.
  62. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jack D

    His lack of Tunisian identity papers meant the German authorities could neither deport nor detain him.
     
    When the modern leftist state is not fulfilling Orwell's prophecies they are busy fulfilling Kafka's.

    Or maybe it's Heller's Catch-22.

    "A catch-22 is a paradoxical situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules."

    Or in this case an entire nation. Those lying crushed beneath the wheels of that rig were victims of a 21st century Catch-22.

    Obviously something bigger was going on here. Even the most stupid, mechanistic bureaucratic system cannot be so dysfunctional that a simple lack of papers can induce paralysis in a powerful state. Kryptonite only exists in comic books. This must be Orwell's "protective stupidity" in action and not just ordinary stupidity.

    The ‘kryptonite’ is the 1951 Refugee Convention – and the vehemence that the European Court of Justice enforces it.
    If ever that ancient occult notion of ‘magic words’ ever had any meaning, it’s in this instance.
    Plus, the Schengen open borders arrangement doesn’t help.

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  63. Wilkey says:

    “Fake documents, an absence of papers and a lack of cooperation from home countries that have little incentive to take them back only widen the bureaucratic gaps they fall through.”

    Western countries need to take over part of some sparse, barely governed hellhole and turn it into a refugee colony for all those aliens and refugees who refuse to return to their home countries or whose countries won’t take them back.

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    • Replies: @Bill B.
    Egypt.

    It has been mooted several times, lately by IIRC an Italian politician.

    The Egyptians will go for it because it would be a money maker for them.
  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...

    “Asylum seekers just won’t go home. I’m pretty sure even Trump voters won’t stomach that…”

    Try us.

    I’d like my country back; I really don’t care how many foreigners have to be inconvenienced to achieve that.

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  65. @another fred
    You left out: not allowed to breed.

    Good add–that would be another feature of the detention camps that I would have no difficulty “stomaching.”

    I would also add that before detention in the camps, a genuine effort would be made to find a country that would take them, possibly with financial incentives and compensation for property that the persons being expelled could not take with them. The round-ups and camps happen only when “sweet reason” has failed. I think after the first wave is sent to the camps and the illegals know that we’re not messing around, there would be massive self-deportation.

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  66. BenKenobi says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    You might be surprised at what we Trump voters would "stomach." We've already had a bellyful of "migrants, immigrants, asylum seekers," choose your euphemism for invaders. I see nothing wrong whatsoever with indefinite duration detention camps for these people, humanely administered, but with no possibility of escape or release into the country of detention. In the case of the United States I think that the Aleutian Islands or the Nevada desert would serve admirably; I'll let Germans decide where to put their camps; perhaps the Russians would rent out some unused Siberian Gulags. People in the camps would be fed, clothed, maybe even put to work, but told firmly: "Here you are and here you will remain, living with your own kind, until your country of origin, or some third country, agree to accept you. Discipline will be swift and rigorous--justice will be meted out by military tribunals and sentences for misconduct will be harsh. You will never set foot outside this camp into Germany/U.S., etc." There will be live web-cam feeds streamed to countries from which these invaders originate to discourage further invasion attempts.

    You might be surprised at what we Trump voters would “stomach.”

    Seconded.

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  67. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    The main thing the Germans seem to lack is a sense of moderation. As some Brit once noted, "The Hun is either exulting over one's prone body and kicking one in the face with his jackboot or groveling and licking someone else's jackboot." Currently, Germans seem to be groveling. I'd prefer a little more exulting and kicking, at least while dealing with the savage thugs who currently seem bent on the invasion and subjugation of Europe.

    “Some Brit” was Sir Winston Churchill, not so fondly categorized by some as an unendited war criminal.

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  68. melendwyr says: • Website

    When staring at a problem that seems to have simple, easy solutions, people insist that it’s not a real problem. Even though the obstacle isn’t so much with that side of the situation, but with the will and desires of the people who would be responsible for implementing a solution.

    Our overlords are trying to slowly destroy us, and we lack the will to overthrow them. It would be quite easy to do if we wanted to, but we can’t carry out the simplest step to actually doing so.

    Anything worth doing is worth doing well, eh? What happens when ‘slow suicide’ becomes perceived as something worth doing?

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    Our overlords are trying to slowly destroy us, and we lack the will to overthrow them. It would be quite easy to do if we wanted to, but we can’t carry out the simplest step to actually doing so.
     
    Yes - although I'd say the people who realize the above do have the will to do it but as yet that number hasn't passed the tipping point as the majority still cling to their trust of the media / politicians despite the growing evidence this is a deliberate extinction.
  69. Not Raul says:
    @Maj. Kong
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swartzentruber_Amish

    If we had to, YT could beat the invaders at their own game.

    The Amish use motorized washing machines?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Amish

    There are people who live within twenty miles of Sea World who don’t use motorized washing machines.

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  70. Not Raul says:
    @Jack D
    Be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it. Don't assume that if the Germans go into ass-kicking mode it will only be for people you don't like.

    Germans generally believe "a thing worth doing is worth doing well" so once they put their mind to a goal they tend to be thorough to a fault. The Japanese have some similar tendencies so it is not a coincidence that they both ended up at the top of the heap in manufacturing the world's #1 complex manufactured item, automobiles.

    Germans getting their act together

    Pros: No Eurabia.

    Cons: Stettin and Carlsbad become part of Germany again.

    Tough choice.

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  71. @Stogumber
    Whatever Americans think about us, we Germans are quite used to ineffectual governments.
    The Weimar governments were spectacularly ineffectual - which explains the rise of Hitler.
    Then, even Hitler was somewhat ineffectual about immigrants. He tried to expel the mass of Jewish illegal immigrants back to Poland, but Poland (as Tunisia nowadays) refused to take them back and they stranded at a place between. Which gave the reason why Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a clerk of the German embassy at Paris. Not much of a political success for Hitler.

    He tried to expel the mass of Jewish illegal immigrants back to Poland, but Poland (as Tunisia nowadays) refused to take them back and they stranded at a place between. Which gave the reason why Herschel Grynszpan assassinated a clerk of the German embassy at Paris.

    Why was the expulsion of illigal aliens seen as a justification to murder someone in cold blood?

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  72. @bomag

    Stop destroying other nations!
     
    That's an agreed upon sentiment here, but a whole lot of these invaders are from countries that have ruined themselves quite nicely without our help.

    This type of legalistic thinking where you apply joint and several liability and decide that the West bears some culpability and thus must get deluged is not a good framework from which to tackle the problem.

    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.

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    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.
     
    Were we upending some kind of desired stability, or trying to stabilize a house of cards?
    , @anon
    They were ruined by the Arab conquest.

    (Although the neocons made them even worse.)
  73. @Cryptogenic
    This attitude is a good example of Anonymous Conservative's amygdala/r-selection theory. Atrophied, withered amygdala = Being OK with predation, no in-group loyalty, weak emotional responses, xenophilia, callousness. Think of an r-selected species like deer casually eating grass around the carcasses of their dead fellow deer.

    The callousness struck me immediately. I find the writer (and Der Spiegel) disgraceful. Yep, he’d be the deer you describe.

    It’s got to the point where in the “elite”, “trendy” circles, this horrid response (I care about foreigners more than about my co-ethnics) is compulsory.

    If I could, I’d punch this guy happily.

    No comments permitted. News sites disable comments if they sense the commenters might not agree with them.

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  74. Bill B. says:
    @Wilkey
    "Fake documents, an absence of papers and a lack of cooperation from home countries that have little incentive to take them back only widen the bureaucratic gaps they fall through."

    Western countries need to take over part of some sparse, barely governed hellhole and turn it into a refugee colony for all those aliens and refugees who refuse to return to their home countries or whose countries won't take them back.

    Egypt.

    It has been mooted several times, lately by IIRC an Italian politician.

    The Egyptians will go for it because it would be a money maker for them.

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  75. @Jus' Sayin'...
    When Evans-Pritchard once asked a Nuer informant why Nuer warriors killed Dinka infants, the reply was, "Because nits grow into lice."

    The only hope for a peaceful and civilized solution to the immigrant/invader crisis in Europe, the Americas, and Australia-New Zealand is to end all undesirable immigration now, and act quickly and ruthlessly to ameliorate the bad consequences of past errors by returning all of these uninvited foreigners to their homelands. Otherwise, the White natives will eventually either respond to imminent peril with the same savagery expressed by that Nuer or else face their own extinction. Then the consequences will be mind-numbingly horrific.

    Because Britain refused to listen to Enoch Powell's warnings when humane limits on immigration would have solved the problems which Powell foresaw, Britain is now faced with an immigration-fueled disaster that can only be ameliorated with harsh measures. If the British establishment does not act soon, Britons will face a Hobson's choice between racial and cultural annihilation or medieval levels of redemptive brutality.

    The same can be said for most of Europe and Canada and the USA,

    Britain is now faced with an immigration-fueled disaster that can only be ameliorated with harsh measures. If the British establishment does not act soon, Britons will face a Hobson’s choice between racial and cultural annihilation or medieval levels of redemptive brutality.

    Why are those the only alternatives? Why cannot Britain, the United States, Canada, etc. continue as they are now, in relative peace and coexistence?

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    If the media told the truth you'd know the answer to that already.

    They bring the 3rd world's problems with them: violent stupidity in some cases, corruption and nepotism in others and as the numbers increase the West becomes ever more 3rd world.

    Even if a lot of it wasn't genetic, cultural integration would require:

    1) curing the currently poisoned western culture

    2) numbers and time - there's too many coming at once to be integrated

    3) traitor ruling class who are doing this for divide and rule and so don't want integration - they want disintegration and division
  76. EdwardM says:

    Germany is a clear and present danger to Europe. Many of its neighbors — France, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, and the Netherlands at least — have some aversion to national suicide. Will their parliaments invoke the Schengen emergency provisions and seal their borders with Germany?

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  77. bossel says:

    After all he was only a drug-dealing bank-robbing street-brawling arsonist Muslim illegal alien.

    The usual Sailer crap.
    A “federal tip that he might be planning a robbery” may be good enough for a Trumpist to detain someone indefinitely, in a state of law, it isn’t. Drug dealing is not much of an offense, anyway, & a bar brawl is also nothing to talk about unless you hurt someone seriously. Arson was an Italian affair & he already spent time in jail for it.

    Having said that, there is obviously (for a long time already, btw) a mismatch in German law between deed & punishment. For a nice article (in German) about that problem – also regarding Anis Amri – look here:

    http://blogs.faz.net/deus/2016/12/22/die-freiheit-des-anis-amri-und-die-unfreiheit-der-buerger-3969/

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  78. @bossel

    After all he was only a drug-dealing bank-robbing street-brawling arsonist Muslim illegal alien.
     
    The usual Sailer crap.
    A "federal tip that he might be planning a robbery" may be good enough for a Trumpist to detain someone indefinitely, in a state of law, it isn't. Drug dealing is not much of an offense, anyway, & a bar brawl is also nothing to talk about unless you hurt someone seriously. Arson was an Italian affair & he already spent time in jail for it.

    Having said that, there is obviously (for a long time already, btw) a mismatch in German law between deed & punishment. For a nice article (in German) about that problem - also regarding Anis Amri - look here:
    http://blogs.faz.net/deus/2016/12/22/die-freiheit-des-anis-amri-und-die-unfreiheit-der-buerger-3969/

    They aren’t sending their best, bossel.

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  79. bomag says:
    @Opinionator
    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.

    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.

    Were we upending some kind of desired stability, or trying to stabilize a house of cards?

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  80. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. If the war ends, pay them to go back to their sunny homes.

    Everybody is happy.

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?

    Who can say for sure at this point? Is there something for them to return to? Have their homes and towns been destroyed and depopulated? Also, who are these ‘refugees’ exactly? How many might be known as anti-Assad types? Also, the young men are draft dodgers and did not help the country fight off the destructive fanatics in it’s time of greatest peril so would they be welcomed to come back by those who stayed during those times and suffered greatly as a result, many having family members who were killed in the defense of the country?

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  81. Once again the NYT lies
    The “Berlin Suspect” didn’t “slip through Germany’s fingers”

    The Hun had him firmly in their fist on several occasions and decided to let him go, there’s a world of difference.

    They can, by the way, change the Tunisian Government attitude pdq by Merkel taking the Ambassador aside and saying “We are not going to bother with petty little things like sanctions, import controls, visas, travel restrictions etc. If you don’t change your policy by Jan 1 we will destroy your currency, We will turn you into Venezuela. My Finance Minister tells me it will take a month”

    I’m sure that Trump will be delighted accede to a Merkel request to cancel the US government loan guarantees that Barry the Kenyan extended to Tunisia.

    Bill Jones

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  82. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @melendwyr
    When staring at a problem that seems to have simple, easy solutions, people insist that it's not a real problem. Even though the obstacle isn't so much with that side of the situation, but with the will and desires of the people who would be responsible for implementing a solution.

    Our overlords are trying to slowly destroy us, and we lack the will to overthrow them. It would be quite easy to do if we wanted to, but we can't carry out the simplest step to actually doing so.

    Anything worth doing is worth doing well, eh? What happens when 'slow suicide' becomes perceived as something worth doing?

    Our overlords are trying to slowly destroy us, and we lack the will to overthrow them. It would be quite easy to do if we wanted to, but we can’t carry out the simplest step to actually doing so.

    Yes – although I’d say the people who realize the above do have the will to do it but as yet that number hasn’t passed the tipping point as the majority still cling to their trust of the media / politicians despite the growing evidence this is a deliberate extinction.

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  83. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.

    They were ruined by the Arab conquest.

    (Although the neocons made them even worse.)

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  84. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Opinionator
    Britain is now faced with an immigration-fueled disaster that can only be ameliorated with harsh measures. If the British establishment does not act soon, Britons will face a Hobson’s choice between racial and cultural annihilation or medieval levels of redemptive brutality.

    Why are those the only alternatives? Why cannot Britain, the United States, Canada, etc. continue as they are now, in relative peace and coexistence?

    If the media told the truth you’d know the answer to that already.

    They bring the 3rd world’s problems with them: violent stupidity in some cases, corruption and nepotism in others and as the numbers increase the West becomes ever more 3rd world.

    Even if a lot of it wasn’t genetic, cultural integration would require:

    1) curing the currently poisoned western culture

    2) numbers and time – there’s too many coming at once to be integrated

    3) traitor ruling class who are doing this for divide and rule and so don’t want integration – they want disintegration and division

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  85. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Fredrik
    The Germans learnt something else from WWII. That's why they won't send failed asylum seekers to camps.

    Also, the conditions in these camps must be bad enough to succeed and looking at the Australian camps in the Pacific then conditions need to be worse than WWII camps. Asylum seekers just won't go home. I'm pretty sure even Trump voters won't stomach that...

    I’m pretty sure even Trump voters won’t stomach that…

    I consider it a matter of survival so since Merkel my only limit is nukes.

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  86. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?”

    Now that the city of Aleppo has been captured by the government, the question is if the province of Aleppo can be… also the large Kurdish areas just south of the Turkish border in northern Syria that have become de-facto independent from government control are an unresolved issue… ISIS of course re-siezed Palmyra while all eyes are on Aleppo and everybody has been bombing ISIS, it would seem, well at t least the Turks, Russians, and Americans…

    “Turkey ‘will never allow’ creation of new state in northern Syria – Erdogan”, 24 Dec, 2016:

    “…“We will never allow the founding of this kind of state,” despite all efforts to do so, the Turkish leader said in Istanbul, apparently referring to Syrian Kurds holding territories in the northern part of Syria…

    “We have been saying this from the beginning. If this isn’t dealt with, Gaziantep is always hanging by a thread, Kilis is always hanging by a thread, Sanliurfa is hanging by a thread,” he said, mentioning the three Turkish provinces that border Syria.

    “Our citizens are dying in Gaziantep and Kilis,” Erdogan stressed. The two Turkish cities lie close to the Syrian border, and have been targets of terrorist attacks…

    “We decided that day that we would take an active role in Syria. The north of Syria is a region of threat for Turkey. We believe that there should be a safe zone, free from terrorism. If not, Gaziantep and Kilis will always be under threat,” he said, explaining the Turkish government’s decision to launch military operations in northern Syria…”

    And in another direction…

    “Russian jets hammer ISIS across eastern Syria”, Leith Fadel, 23/12/2016:

    “…The Russian Air Force is working overtime today, carrying out dozens of airstrikes across Syria’s eastern countryside amid a massive assault by the so-called “Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham” (ISIS) in the Deir Ezzor and Homs governorates…

    …airstrikes above the main Islamic State supply line located between the Al-Raqqa and Homs governorates…

    …a number of sorties near the T-4 Military Airport, as they assist the Syrian Arab Army in their battle against the encroaching Islamic State terrorists…

    …Meanwhile east of the Homs Governorate, the Russian Air Force carried out a number of airstrikes over the Thardeh Mountains, Al-Rashidiyah, Al-Arfa, and Al-Hawiqah districts of Deir Ezzor…”

    We need in on the action:

    “American airstrike kills ISIS commander near Palmyra”, December 23, 2016:

    “…A US-led coalition airstrike has killed at least seven Islamic State (ISIS) militants, including the group’s military commander in the ancient Syrian city of Palmyra…

    …On Wednesday, the Syrian Army repulsed an Islamic State offensive, driving the jihadists away from the T4 Military Airport. The extremist group had tried to storm the airbase earlier in the day…

    …The Islamic State recaptured the ancient city of Palmyra on December 11…

    …On December 16, aircraft of the US-led coalition destroyed 14 ISIS tanks and other equipment captured near Syria’s ancient city of Palmyra…

    …The group seized the tanks and other military hardware from Tiyas Military Airfield near Palmyra, between 11-13 Dec after the withdrawal of the Syrian regime forces. The US-led coalition doesn’t want these tanks to pose a threat to the coalition forces…”

    In Aleppo province some sort of war grinds on:

    “Sick ISIS savages film themselves burning two Turkish soldiers alive in disturbing new execution video after capturing them in Aleppo”, 22 December 2016.

    “New offensive targets rebels on Aleppo’s outskirts: Deaths of civilians reported in rebel-held Atareb while government blames fighters for deadly shelling elsewhere.”, 24 Dec 2016:

    “…Syrian government forces have launched a new offensive against rebels on the outskirts of the city of Aleppo…

    …air strikes on the rebel-held town of Atareb, west of Aleppo…

    …new wave of air strikes were concentrated on eastern, southern and northern outskirts of Aleppo, appearing to be aimed at keeping rebel forces away from the recaptured city.

    “Russian jets step up raids on rebel-held Idlib and rural Aleppo”, Dec 24, 2016:

    “…Russian jets stepped up strikes on several towns in Syria’s rebel-held Idlib province and rural Aleppo two days after the evacuation of rebels from their last pocket in the northern city of Aleppo…

    …The Syrian army has hinted the next major campaign after its victory in Aleppo was to rout insurgents in their stronghold of Idlib province

    …Russian and Syrian jets also staged heavy strikes on rebel-held parts of western and southern parts of rural Aleppo for the second day since the last rebels left their remaining pocket of territory in Aleppo city…

    …large swathes of western and southern Aleppo countryside remain in rebel hands.”

    Smell the cordite. New World Order, same as the old.

    Merry Christmas

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  87. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Right. If the war ends, pay them to go back to their sunny homes.

    Everybody is happy.

    Will the war end now that Aleppo has fallen?

    According to Al Jazeera, Syrians make up less than 40% of the refugees to Germany. Truck Boy was himself was Tunisian. This isn’t and never was about Syrian refugees, but about the entirety of the wretched refuse of Islamic countries bum-rushing Europe after we killed Kaddafi.

    The Left is willing to risk the destruction of their societies to aid alien invaders. A good number of Trump voters are willing to destroy the alien invaders to save their societies.

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  88. @bomag

    Most of the countries they are from were ruined with our help.
     
    Were we upending some kind of desired stability, or trying to stabilize a house of cards?

    Upending stability.

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