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I realize that nobody is interested in country clubs … except for Presidents, billionaires, and the people who advise billionaires and Presidents, like Tom Friedman, who may be the world’s richest reporter. From the NYT:

President Trump, Will You Save the Jews?

Thomas L. Friedman FEB. 15, 2017

Dear President Trump:

These are the moments that make or break a presidency.

First you were tested by a rival — Russia — and utterly failed to appreciate the corrosive impact on our democracy of your indulgence of Russia’s hacking our election. And on Wednesday you’re going to be tested by a friend — Israel — and its prime minister, Bibi Netanyahu. Can you appreciate the corrosive impact on Israel’s democracy of what it’s now doing in the West Bank? I ask because you may be the last man standing between Israel and a complete, self-inflicted disaster for the Jewish state and the Jewish people.

Let me explain it in terms you’ll appreciate: golf.

Did you happen to follow the story involving Barack Obama and Woodmont Country Club?

I’m sure Trump took zero interest in that story.

No, I’m kidding, of course he did.

Woodmont is the mostly Jewish golf club in Maryland, just outside D.C., where Obama played as a guest several times during his presidency. Near the end of his term it was rumored that Obama would seek membership there.

Then he clashed with Netanyahu over Obama’s refusal to veto a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israel’s relentless expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Shortly thereafter, The Washington Post reported that a Woodmont member, Faith Goldstein, had sent a private email to the club’s president declaring that Obama “is not welcome at Woodmont” because of his U.N. vote.

It was appalling to think that Jews, who for so many years were themselves excluded from joining certain country clubs

A.k.a., the Golfocaust.

Remember that we suffered having to play Hillcrest instead of L.A.C.C.

, would consider excluding our first black president, especially for his acting on the basis of what half of Israel believes — that continued expansion of Jewish settlements into Palestinian-populated zones of the West Bank will eventually make the separation of Israelis and Palestinians in a two-state solution impossible, and thereby threaten Israel’s character as a Jewish and democratic state.

Fortunately, in the end, the decent members of Woodmont prevailed. As The Washington Post reported, the club’s president, Barry Forman, invited the Obamas to join, declaring that “it is all the more important that Woodmont be a place where people of varying views and beliefs can enjoy fellowship.”

Why am I telling you this story?

Because you and Trump and Obama and Bill Clinton and the Bushes are very interested in country clubs, even though nobody else is.

The last President who wasn’t an obsessive golfer was Reagan, and he wound up retiring to a house on a mountain that the Bel Air Country Club tunnels under to get from one green to the next tee.

I probably more or less agree with Friedman about the 2-state solution and the West Bank settlements and all that, but I don’t pay that much attention to it because, (A) it’s not my country, and (B) lots of people in the American press do pay attention to it, so I don’t think I have that much more to contribute relative to a lot of other topics.

 
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  1. The Friedman doesn’t give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.

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    • Replies: @Gabriel M

    The Friedman doesn’t give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.
     
    The suffering and oppression of the Palestinians is a consequence of ingrates such as yourself egging them on to fight conflicts they cannot possibly win. The historical record is very clear.

    GDP per capita in the Palestinian territories rose by 7% per year from 1968 to 1980 but slowed during the 1980s. Between 1970 and 1991 life expectancy rose from 56 to 66 years, infant mortality per 1,000 fell from 95 to 42, the percentage of households with electricity rose from 30% to 85%, the percentage of households with safe water rose from 15% to 90%, the percentage of households with a refrigerator rose from 11% to 85%, and the percentage of households with a washing machine rose from 23% in 1980 to 61% in 1991
     
    But all that was ruined because muh freedom and muh right of self determination. How moral.
    , @Karl
    1 Opionator > The Friedman doesn’t give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians


    it's because he's Kuwaiti
    , @cucksworth
    why should he? its not his tribe.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Why haven't all the "suffering" and "oppressed" Palestinians moved back to Jordan?

    The Palestinans all had Jordanian passports until 2000 when it was decided that this practice didn't play well with the "Palestinian" narrative.

    Surely Jordan would be thrilled to welcome its sober, hardworking sisters and brothers from west of the Jordan back into the fold. No?

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  2. First you were tested by a rival — Russia — and utterly failed to appreciate the corrosive impact on our democracy of your indulgence of Russia’s hacking our election.

    We are three weeks into four years of non-stop megaphonic lying, and it’s actually getting worse.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Unbelievable what we are witnessing.
    , @TheJester
    What Russia without evidence is alleged to have done to influence the last election is nothing compared to what the Democrats and their Cultural Marxist allies have verifiably done to damage our democracy. Attempts at a "soft" coup in which ex-President Obama and his fellow travelers in the MSM and government intelligence services conspire against the new President are anathema to democracy and rule of law.

    But Obama and his buddies already know this ... and they don't care.
  3. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.

    I’m not a Trump fanboy. I find him annoying egomaniacal etc. But everything the haters accuse him of doing was done worse by either Bill, Hillary or Barry.

    ‘Tell Vlad I’ll have more flexibility after my reelection’…

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    • Replies: @snorlax
    Ah yes. Hasn't that incident gone down the memory hole?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGsadcBiFA

    "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

    And of course, the classic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM
    , @AnotherDad

    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.
     
    Exactly. The guy comes across as a big drama queen. And not very bright. I'm sure he must have a decent IQ, and has acquired all sorts of "information", but he just doesn't seem to be very sharp or capable of parsing the world. He's perpetually excited about something and proclaiming it to be critical to the fate of the world. When in fact almost every thing he yammers about--like this Israel nonsense--is utterly uncritical to much of anything.
  4. I don’t read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by “Russia hacked our election.” Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that’s not true. If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that’s dubious. The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone’s minds?

    Furthermore, Trump was campaigning against the headwinds of Hillary’s far larger campaign war chest, Hillary’s support from the mainstream media including the debate moderators, Hillary’s support from the entire entertainment industry, and the Republican establishment’s being lukewarm to openly hostile to him.

    Against this, Friedman feels those hacked emails made all the difference?

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    • Replies: @guest
    You're not going to get an answer to your question, because vagueness benefits them. There's a sort of motte and bailey quality to the Russian interference Narrative. The evidence which 17 or whatever intelligence agencies vouched for covers specific hacks, I imagine. Maybe including the DNC Wikileaks hacks, I don't know. Maybe they hacked into a City Hall computer in Bumwad, Idaho.

    But they wouldn't like your brain to stop there. They want you to think in terms of fixing vote counts and/or Trump as a Manchurian Candidate. They won't come out and say that. They'll make you think that's what they're alleging, then when you call them on it, they reduce it to Russians hacked something somewhere sometime.

    I don't like the idea of foreign governments influencing our elections, though I assume they had been all along. Why is it suddenly such big news now? Because Wikileaks made the DNC look bad at the worst possible time. Also, because That Man is in the highest office in the land. Doesn't seem like reason enough to be so frightened.

    After all, it was the truth, wasn't it? (Despite the fact that, along with a couple other things, it spurred creation of the catchphrase "fake news.")

    , @Abe

    I don’t read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by “Russia hacked our election.” Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts?
     
    Don't you know the famous adage by now, dummy? Fake News is the first draft of Fake History.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that’s not true.
     
    I think he wishes to imply that, even though he knows it's not true.

    If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that’s dubious.
     
    Julian Assange strongly implied that they did not. But liberals went from trusting Wikileaks over the Deep State back in 2008, to trusting the Deep State over Wikileaks in 2016.

    The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone’s minds?
     
    I don't think they did. The only people who paid any attention to the Wikileaks material (other than Democratic Party operatives trying to deflect the story, like Donna Brazile) were already going to vote for Trump anyway.
    , @ben tillman

    I don’t read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by “Russia hacked our election.” Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts?
     
    I think he does.
    , @Federalist
    I don't read Freidman either but I'm sure that he is implying that Russia "hacked" the election by actually changing the voting results. The media and the Left (but I repeat myself) have been talking about Russia hacking the election from the beginning . They don't say that emails were hacked. They always say that the election was hacked. They are certainly trying to create the impression to those who either don't know better or believe because they want to believe that Russia actually changed votes.

    Someone hacked emails. That's it. Maybe it was Russia and maybe it wasn't. But why are we supposed to hold it against Trump that his political opponents are morons? [Rhetorical question. Yes, I know why]. Hillary, the DNC, etc. weren't aware that foreign governments would try to spy on them? Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State and she didn't know how this works?

    The Russians (maybe) spied on us! Who knew? It's not like the Russians have ever spied on us before. This doesn't reflect poorly on Trump. It reflects poorly on Hillary and the Democrats. They're obviously not competent to handle foreign policy.

    Hillary Clinton was First Lady, U.S. Senator, serious presidential candidate (when she ran against Obama), Secretary of State, and finally Democratic presidential nominee. Its not like she came out of nowhere and suddenly rose to political prominence. She spent most of her adult life crafting her political image so that she could be president. She didn't have enough sense to use the best possible cyber security and not say anything incriminating in emails?
  5. When some future Gibbon writes the Rise and Fall of the American Empire, I have little doubt that the death of freedom of association will figure prominently. I think you can really boil virtually any of the PC nonsense (i.e. conventional wisdom of the Current Year) down to the i-th iteration of the attack on freedom of association. Jews didn’t care for Obama’s policy toward the Jewish homeland so they don’t care to associate with him. Oh the horror.

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    When some future Gibbon writes the Rise and Fall of the American Empire, I have little doubt that the death of freedom of association will figure prominently.
     
    We're out of typewriters. And almost out of monkeys. I wouldn't count on it.
    , @pepperinmono
    The Right caving in to the '64 Civil Rights Act was the introduction of an insidious but lethal disease.
    The Act's continuing attack on freedom of association has been devastating.
    Integration was proceeding at its natural pace, and would have found its natural equilibrium point desired by society, both black and white.
    Instead it has been rammed down our throats de jure (though we are still quite segregated de facto).
    Freedom of association absolutism would solve may of the ills we face.
    Down deep, ignoring the hypocrisy, it is what we all want for ourselves.
  6. When Trump mentioned he’s won a bunch of club championships to prove he can handle pressure, the press mocked him. But we golfers were impressed. This guy has what it takes, I remember thinking. There is a ton of pressure in Those events.

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  7. Did Trump fail to appreciate the utterly corrosive impact on our democracy of Trump’s indulgence of Russia’s alleged hacking of the election (whatever that means)? Or did Trump fail to appreciate the utterly corrosive impact the election of Trump had on our country? Because I think that’s what really gets to the likes of Friedman.

    By the way, what kind of mind is appalled by a group thinking turnabout is fair play? Irony of ironies, Jews sinning when not long ago they were the ones sinned against! It’s not as if we live in a country where affirmative action is the law of the land.

    Friedman I presume only cares because the potential victim was Obama. Would there be articles written if they denied membership to Mel Gibson? I mean besides in congratulations.

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  8. @ben tillman

    First you were tested by a rival — Russia — and utterly failed to appreciate the corrosive impact on our democracy of your indulgence of Russia’s hacking our election.
     
    We are three weeks into four years of non-stop megaphonic lying, and it's actually getting worse.

    Unbelievable what we are witnessing.

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  9. It was appalling to think that Jews, who for so many years were themselves excluded from joining certain country clubs, would consider excluding our first black president,

    It’s hilarious. If Stalin had been an open-borders, politically correct, SJW fanatic bent on world revolution in the name of overthrowing the decadent micro-aggression masters, he could not have engineered the 3 acts of self-defilement Trump has oh-so-masterfully, yet at the same time so off-handedly, provoked in less than a month in office.

    Let’s see- he’s gotten “Christian” leaders to declare that rescuing Christian refugees from the Middle East facing genuine religious persecution is decidedly NOT what their mission is. He’s gotten a Jew to declare that intra-ethnic solidarity and standing up for Israel is just not worth it if it requires using the most inhumane methods of the enemy (country club membership vendettas- oh the humanity!). And, oh yeah, the (anti-)Pope just chimed in this week about the Dakota pipeline, saying the preservation of native ancestral lands is very important to the Catholic Church, because heathens and their local spirits have been part of who we Roman Catholics are as a people from the very beginning.

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    And, oh yeah, the (anti-)Pope just chimed in this week about the Dakota pipeline, saying the preservation of native ancestral lands is very important to the Catholic Church, because heathens and their local spirits have been part of who we Roman Catholics are as a people from the very beginning.
     
    Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?
    , @Avenge Harambe
    That's mighty white of old Frannie. And just how does he feel about the preservation of the native ancestral lands of European people and their right to exist, unmolested?
  10. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by "Russia hacked our election." Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that's not true. If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that's dubious. The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone's minds?

    Furthermore, Trump was campaigning against the headwinds of Hillary's far larger campaign war chest, Hillary's support from the mainstream media including the debate moderators, Hillary's support from the entire entertainment industry, and the Republican establishment's being lukewarm to openly hostile to him.

    Against this, Friedman feels those hacked emails made all the difference?

    You’re not going to get an answer to your question, because vagueness benefits them. There’s a sort of motte and bailey quality to the Russian interference Narrative. The evidence which 17 or whatever intelligence agencies vouched for covers specific hacks, I imagine. Maybe including the DNC Wikileaks hacks, I don’t know. Maybe they hacked into a City Hall computer in Bumwad, Idaho.

    But they wouldn’t like your brain to stop there. They want you to think in terms of fixing vote counts and/or Trump as a Manchurian Candidate. They won’t come out and say that. They’ll make you think that’s what they’re alleging, then when you call them on it, they reduce it to Russians hacked something somewhere sometime.

    I don’t like the idea of foreign governments influencing our elections, though I assume they had been all along. Why is it suddenly such big news now? Because Wikileaks made the DNC look bad at the worst possible time. Also, because That Man is in the highest office in the land. Doesn’t seem like reason enough to be so frightened.

    After all, it was the truth, wasn’t it? (Despite the fact that, along with a couple other things, it spurred creation of the catchphrase “fake news.”)

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    • Replies: @Cortes
    The "interference Narrative " ends thus:

    "He's everywhere, you know "

    http://i.imgur.com/sQDsvBx.gif

  11. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by "Russia hacked our election." Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that's not true. If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that's dubious. The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone's minds?

    Furthermore, Trump was campaigning against the headwinds of Hillary's far larger campaign war chest, Hillary's support from the mainstream media including the debate moderators, Hillary's support from the entire entertainment industry, and the Republican establishment's being lukewarm to openly hostile to him.

    Against this, Friedman feels those hacked emails made all the difference?

    I don’t read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by “Russia hacked our election.” Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts?

    Don’t you know the famous adage by now, dummy? Fake News is the first draft of Fake History.

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    Fake News is the first draft of Fake History.
     
    I was going to say something along those lines, but you said it much, much better. Nicely done, sir.
  12. @Bastion
    When some future Gibbon writes the Rise and Fall of the American Empire, I have little doubt that the death of freedom of association will figure prominently. I think you can really boil virtually any of the PC nonsense (i.e. conventional wisdom of the Current Year) down to the i-th iteration of the attack on freedom of association. Jews didn't care for Obama's policy toward the Jewish homeland so they don't care to associate with him. Oh the horror.

    When some future Gibbon writes the Rise and Fall of the American Empire, I have little doubt that the death of freedom of association will figure prominently.

    We’re out of typewriters. And almost out of monkeys. I wouldn’t count on it.

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  13. “Faith Goldstein”? It sounds like someone married a shiksa. I guess Golda Golddigger has something to prove.

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  14. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by "Russia hacked our election." Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that's not true. If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that's dubious. The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone's minds?

    Furthermore, Trump was campaigning against the headwinds of Hillary's far larger campaign war chest, Hillary's support from the mainstream media including the debate moderators, Hillary's support from the entire entertainment industry, and the Republican establishment's being lukewarm to openly hostile to him.

    Against this, Friedman feels those hacked emails made all the difference?

    Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that’s not true.

    I think he wishes to imply that, even though he knows it’s not true.

    If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that’s dubious.

    Julian Assange strongly implied that they did not. But liberals went from trusting Wikileaks over the Deep State back in 2008, to trusting the Deep State over Wikileaks in 2016.

    The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone’s minds?

    I don’t think they did. The only people who paid any attention to the Wikileaks material (other than Democratic Party operatives trying to deflect the story, like Donna Brazile) were already going to vote for Trump anyway.

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  15. I ask because you may be the last man standing between Israel and a complete, self-inflicted disaster for the Jewish state and the Jewish people.

    Support for democratic governance seem pretty thin on the ground among the elites. The US needs to save Israeli democracy from itself, the great and good need to save America from the voters who elected Trump, and Tom Friedman needs to save the members of Woodmont from blackballing Obama.

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  16. @Anonymous
    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.

    I'm not a Trump fanboy. I find him annoying egomaniacal etc. But everything the haters accuse him of doing was done worse by either Bill, Hillary or Barry.

    'Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after my reelection'...

    Ah yes. Hasn’t that incident gone down the memory hole?

    “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

    And of course, the classic

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  17. @Abe

    It was appalling to think that Jews, who for so many years were themselves excluded from joining certain country clubs, would consider excluding our first black president,
     
    It's hilarious. If Stalin had been an open-borders, politically correct, SJW fanatic bent on world revolution in the name of overthrowing the decadent micro-aggression masters, he could not have engineered the 3 acts of self-defilement Trump has oh-so-masterfully, yet at the same time so off-handedly, provoked in less than a month in office.

    Let's see- he's gotten "Christian" leaders to declare that rescuing Christian refugees from the Middle East facing genuine religious persecution is decidedly NOT what their mission is. He's gotten a Jew to declare that intra-ethnic solidarity and standing up for Israel is just not worth it if it requires using the most inhumane methods of the enemy (country club membership vendettas- oh the humanity!). And, oh yeah, the (anti-)Pope just chimed in this week about the Dakota pipeline, saying the preservation of native ancestral lands is very important to the Catholic Church, because heathens and their local spirits have been part of who we Roman Catholics are as a people from the very beginning.

    And, oh yeah, the (anti-)Pope just chimed in this week about the Dakota pipeline, saying the preservation of native ancestral lands is very important to the Catholic Church, because heathens and their local spirits have been part of who we Roman Catholics are as a people from the very beginning.

    Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?

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  18. There are some things that you simply need to understand. The proposal for one-state solution, the question is: can one-state sol. be achieved? The history of the last 20 years tells us: Yes, it can.

    1) There will be found 2 Palestinians who will agree. 2) Them will be declared the Palestinian Representatives by media. 3) Now you have the One-State, congratulations. The One-State will have the right to defend itself.

    Second question: for how long it will be able to exist? Well, history teaches us never to ask this question because questions are answed as they appear, not when they asked untimely.

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  19. @Anonymous
    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.

    I'm not a Trump fanboy. I find him annoying egomaniacal etc. But everything the haters accuse him of doing was done worse by either Bill, Hillary or Barry.

    'Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after my reelection'...

    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.

    Exactly. The guy comes across as a big drama queen. And not very bright. I’m sure he must have a decent IQ, and has acquired all sorts of “information”, but he just doesn’t seem to be very sharp or capable of parsing the world. He’s perpetually excited about something and proclaiming it to be critical to the fate of the world. When in fact almost every thing he yammers about–like this Israel nonsense–is utterly uncritical to much of anything.

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    • Replies: @guest
    His is just the sort of mighty intellect that can be genuinely carried away by banal falsehoods--or metaphors, if you will--like "the world is flat." He may or may not be a genius, I wouldn't know. But he's lazy. Just like most Current Year court, err, I mean "public" intellectuals.

    (Not all of them, of course. Some, like Ron Chernow, a definite court historian, is honest and forthright enough for me to wonder how he was ever allowed to be so famous. Which I may have mentioned here before.)

    , @International Jew

    he just doesn’t seem to be very sharp or capable of parsing the world
     
    Friedman is a puzzle to me. At the Harvard-heavy Times, he went to Brandeis. And as you've observed, forty years later he hasn't narrowed his intelligence gap on the smart kids.

    The Times must know what it's doing; maybe Friedman just has a lot of devoted middlebrow fans.
  20. I made it two sentences into that NYT article, thought “reporters being reporters”, and completely lost interest in reading the rest.

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  21. President Trump, you may not be interested in Jewish history, but Jewish history is now interested in you.

    And the rest of us are supposed to give a crap?

    Paging Quincy Adams, paging John Quincy Adams … please report to New York Times editorial department. Your services are urgently required there.

    Shouldn’t Jews with their high verbal IQs be able to make at least reasonably intelligent decisions about their nation … themselves!

    As an actual American–i.e. someone whose roots and loyalty are in America–i want Trump to concentrate entirely on American “history”–i.e. making sure *America’s* future will be great. (Not screwed up by the likes of Freidman.) Israelis can worry about their own damn history.

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    23 AnotherDad > As an actual American–i.e. someone whose roots and loyalty are in America–i want Trump to concentrate entirely on American “history”


    hey buddy, when you can afford marked-up, ARTISANAL push-up bras like the JAPs in Park Slope spending their WolfOfWallStreet boyfriends money..... ==then== The New York times will give a shit about your agendas!
  22. @AnotherDad

    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.
     
    Exactly. The guy comes across as a big drama queen. And not very bright. I'm sure he must have a decent IQ, and has acquired all sorts of "information", but he just doesn't seem to be very sharp or capable of parsing the world. He's perpetually excited about something and proclaiming it to be critical to the fate of the world. When in fact almost every thing he yammers about--like this Israel nonsense--is utterly uncritical to much of anything.

    His is just the sort of mighty intellect that can be genuinely carried away by banal falsehoods–or metaphors, if you will–like “the world is flat.” He may or may not be a genius, I wouldn’t know. But he’s lazy. Just like most Current Year court, err, I mean “public” intellectuals.

    (Not all of them, of course. Some, like Ron Chernow, a definite court historian, is honest and forthright enough for me to wonder how he was ever allowed to be so famous. Which I may have mentioned here before.)

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    • Replies: @pepperinmono
    Many "smart" people have serious holes in their thinking.
    Vonnegut put it very well in Mother Night:

    The boss G-man concluded wrongly that there were no teeth on the gears in the mind of Jones. 'You're completely crazy,' he said.
    Jones wasn't completely crazy. The dismaying thing about classic totalitarian mind is that any given gear, though mutilated, will have at its circumference unbroken sequences of teeth that are immaculately maintained, that are exquisitely machined.
    Hence the cuckoo clock in Hell - keeping perfect time for eight minutes and twenty-three seconds, jumping ahead fourteen minutes, keeping perfect time for six seconds, jumping ahead two seconds, keeping perfect time for two hours and one second, then jumping ahead a year.
    The missing teeth, of course, are simple, obvious truths, truths available and comprehensible even to ten-year-olds, in most cases.The wilful filing off a gear teeth, the wilful doing without certain obvious pieces of information ...

  23. @Opinionator
    The Friedman doesn't give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.

    The Friedman doesn’t give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.

    The suffering and oppression of the Palestinians is a consequence of ingrates such as yourself egging them on to fight conflicts they cannot possibly win. The historical record is very clear.

    GDP per capita in the Palestinian territories rose by 7% per year from 1968 to 1980 but slowed during the 1980s. Between 1970 and 1991 life expectancy rose from 56 to 66 years, infant mortality per 1,000 fell from 95 to 42, the percentage of households with electricity rose from 30% to 85%, the percentage of households with safe water rose from 15% to 90%, the percentage of households with a refrigerator rose from 11% to 85%, and the percentage of households with a washing machine rose from 23% in 1980 to 61% in 1991

    But all that was ruined because muh freedom and muh right of self determination. How moral.

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    muh GDP

    You are indignant you haven't been able to bribe and blackmail them into foresaking and dissolving their people--same tactic you try on everyone else, not without success.

    Emancipate the Gentiles of Israel/Palestine. Give the Gentiles full political rights. Same thing jews demand in the United States and Europe. That's all that we ask.

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    Jews are insane because they lived as a minority for so long.

    “not natural” as my gran used to say

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    But they do not go around chopping off people's heads. They blend in but keep their faith. Gotta respect them for that.
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    This would be John Schindler, former NSA spook, who had to leave his Naval War College professorship after being caught with a bad case of Weineritis.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/

    ("Penis photo flap" is an interesting phrase.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666319/Navy-college-professor-placed-leave-photo.html

    Apparently the "vixen" tried to take the fall for him:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2668736/Woman-outed-married-U-S-Naval-War-College-professor-sent-nude-photo-says-regrets-going-public-allegations.html

    Yep, that there's some high quality IC we got passing judgment on Team Trump, the President, and his voters.

    , @anon
    people literally working for another nation and government - almost blatantly - are accusing others of the same
    , @antipater_1
    Isn't Schindler the guy who like Anthony Wiener got caught sending images of his crotch around on the innerwebs?
  26. This whole “Putin hacked the election” thing means that Democrats shouldn’t even bother running in 2018 or 2020 since obviously if Putin was able to get Trump elected in 2016 despite the valiant efforts of Obama, just think what sort of electoral massacre Putin will conjure for the Dems in the coming elections?

    OT I ran across some Sailer-bait:

    Chinese students in the US are using “inclusion” and “diversity” to oppose a Dalai Lama graduation speech

    https://qz.com/908922/chinese-students-at-ucsd-are-evoking-diversity-to-justify-their-opposition-to-the-dalai-lamas-graduation-speech/

    These Chinese students could have a point. Why is blood and soil nationalism OK for Tibet but not for Sweden? Tibet also has a history of Islamophobia and seems to take an unnatural interest in demographics. What difference does it make if Tibetans are now a minority in Tibet? This earth belongs to all the people!

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  27. @Gabriel M

    The Friedman doesn’t give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.
     
    The suffering and oppression of the Palestinians is a consequence of ingrates such as yourself egging them on to fight conflicts they cannot possibly win. The historical record is very clear.

    GDP per capita in the Palestinian territories rose by 7% per year from 1968 to 1980 but slowed during the 1980s. Between 1970 and 1991 life expectancy rose from 56 to 66 years, infant mortality per 1,000 fell from 95 to 42, the percentage of households with electricity rose from 30% to 85%, the percentage of households with safe water rose from 15% to 90%, the percentage of households with a refrigerator rose from 11% to 85%, and the percentage of households with a washing machine rose from 23% in 1980 to 61% in 1991
     
    But all that was ruined because muh freedom and muh right of self determination. How moral.

    muh GDP

    You are indignant you haven’t been able to bribe and blackmail them into foresaking and dissolving their people–same tactic you try on everyone else, not without success.

    Emancipate the Gentiles of Israel/Palestine. Give the Gentiles full political rights. Same thing jews demand in the United States and Europe. That’s all that we ask.

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    How gay. Do you have a poster of Malcolm X above your bed?
  28. @Opinionator
    muh GDP

    You are indignant you haven't been able to bribe and blackmail them into foresaking and dissolving their people--same tactic you try on everyone else, not without success.

    Emancipate the Gentiles of Israel/Palestine. Give the Gentiles full political rights. Same thing jews demand in the United States and Europe. That's all that we ask.

    How gay. Do you have a poster of Malcolm X above your bed?

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  29. I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won’t change America’s democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel’s Jewish character. Sorry, but that boat already sailed. Intermarriage has diluted Jewish character heavily across the globe. High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid (and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg) or Jewish men decided they could no longer tolerate living with nagging Jewish women (and married shiksas as did Mel Brooks). Either way, full blood Jewish people who can trace all their grandparents back to the shtetls have become much more rare since the 1960s.

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    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won’t change America’s democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel’s Jewish character.

    It's not even a question of allowing them to "settle" in de facto Israel. It's a question of granting ones already living there equal rights to Jews and not subjecting them to an apartheid regime that makes apartheid Sourh Africa look like current year United States.

    Yes, there are a number of Gentile refugees residing elsewhere from Israel's conquest of the territory but peace can probably be reached by allowing a limited number back in and compensating the others. (Maybe Zuckerberg, Brin, Soros, Saban, Adelson, Spielberg, and others can defray the cost.)
    , @Karl
    > and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg

    is she's "exotic", then i'm Mel Gibson
    , @Karl
    > and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg

    is she's "exotic", then i'm Mel Gibson
    , @Harry Baldwin
    High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerberg

    Fred Reed, who spent some time in Southeast Asia, had a line about Westerners who found Asian women exotic: "Asian women are about as exotic as potatoes."
    , @Johann Ricke

    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character.
     
    Palestinian Muslims have killed thousands of Israeli civilians in terror attacks since Israel's independence in 1948. Scale it up to the American population, and we're talking hundreds of thousands of dead Americans. This is on top of the run-of-the-mill murders committed by the Muslim Arab population and the 20,000 dead Israeli regular/reservist troops due to either Arab terror attacks, wars related to deterring further attacks or existential* wars against neighboring Arab states. Why would Israel let in a demographic that ran up this death toll and is literally committed to the extermination of the Jewish people in Israel?

    * True existential wars, where the price of losing and being overrun was physical extermination, i.e. nothing like the Global War on Terror, where not prosecuting the war merely means more large-scale terror attacks on American soil.

  30. The Two State Solution is a classic zombie idea. The idea stays the same, but the justifications for it keep changing, even contradicting themselves. Over the course of my life I have seen the following progression.

    1) Creating a Palestinian state will lead to peace and goodwill between Israel and the Arabs.

    2) OK, so there’s a chance that the Palestinians will use their state as a base to attack Israel, but that’s fine because everyone will understand that Israel tried and will allow Israel to use its massively superior firepower to crush any attacks.

    3) OK, so it turns out that if you do that the world says you are being disproportionate, so any Palestinian state will have the effective right to shut down your economy whenever it feels like it, but you still have to give away the West Bank because America is our closest ally and we can’t afford to alienate it.

    4) Blah, blah, golf, something, Bibi has damaged ties with Mexico* , something, Anne Frank museum, something bipartisan consensus can’t be seen as too close to Trump, something.

    *(I shit you not)

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    Bibi has damaged ties with Mexico*
     
    Bibi's tweet in defense of Trump's wall was hearty and manly, if- yes- ill-advised in the clinical light of (deep-)statecraft. A couple years back a former head of the Mossad had to lower himself to penning an inane NEW YORK TIMES op-ed in praise of Democrats as the real pro-Zionists (despite even then being well on their way to mutating into the party of BDS and Third World resentment) in order to keep up appearances with the Donkey Party so that no matter who comes out on top in November, Israel wins. Picking sides between two international parties on a matter that doesn't concern you and so unnecessarily making an enemy as Netanyahu did was dumb, but gloriously dumb, as in "hey, let me try this Twitter thing my bro' Donald keeps talking about!" If you're a real man sometimes you just get tired of creeping around, weighing every action in the finest scales, and pandering to ugly feminists and multi-culti weirdos. Better to live one day as a lion...
    , @CK
    Saudi Arabia, Jordan, The Gulf Monarchies, Egypt all pouring huge amounts of money and weapons into Palestine.
    errr
    not so much. Israel has very good relations with its local Moslem cousins.
    Israel has much less good relations with any Moslem state that modernizes.
    Syria, Lebanon, Iraq all secular Moslem states all attacked by Israel.
    Iran a secular Moslem Caucasian State attacked by Israel for years.
    When the Israeli military had its ass handed to it in Lebanon in 06, their response was to attempt to again destroy Beirut. Anthony Bourdain was doing one of his cooking shows and was evacuated along with most of the other American Tourists.
    It is not so much the ISIS or the conservative madrassa set that is a threat to Israel.
    It is that as any Moslem country become more secular it simultaneously become more economically threatening. So preemptive destruction before secularization succeeds.
    Why is America so important in this equation? Because China doesn't do much investing in or tourist traffic with Israel. Because the EU is proving to be a fertile home for those Moslems who cannot secularize and who actively hate Israel.
  31. …and utterly failed to appreciate the corrosive impact on our democracy of your indulgence of Russia’s hacking our election.

    At least Mr Trump — who’s a very busy man you know — need not read more than the first sentence to be able to answer the question: Yeah, OK, sure, I’ll ‘save the Jews’ (whatever that means) — just not you in particular, asshole.

    the world’s richest reporter

    I don’t think he’s really a “reporter” — but then who is anymore these days?

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    Thomas L. Friedman was a reporter in the past but has been an opinion columnist for many years now.
  32. @JimB
    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character. Sorry, but that boat already sailed. Intermarriage has diluted Jewish character heavily across the globe. High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid (and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg) or Jewish men decided they could no longer tolerate living with nagging Jewish women (and married shiksas as did Mel Brooks). Either way, full blood Jewish people who can trace all their grandparents back to the shtetls have become much more rare since the 1960s.

    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won’t change America’s democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel’s Jewish character.

    It’s not even a question of allowing them to “settle” in de facto Israel. It’s a question of granting ones already living there equal rights to Jews and not subjecting them to an apartheid regime that makes apartheid Sourh Africa look like current year United States.

    Yes, there are a number of Gentile refugees residing elsewhere from Israel’s conquest of the territory but peace can probably be reached by allowing a limited number back in and compensating the others. (Maybe Zuckerberg, Brin, Soros, Saban, Adelson, Spielberg, and others can defray the cost.)

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  33. More apropos of Steve’s excellent article on Edward Said in TAKI’s this week, but not completely off-topic here either-

    If “Islam has always been part of America”, as the nominee of one of the two major political parties asserted in an honest-to-goodness Presidential debate last year, and if the Fake History proof of that is Tom Jefferson’s Quid-pro-Quo’ran (which the incoming head of the DNC conspicuously put his hand on during his swearing-in to Congress a couple years ago), then why did America need a cabal of Orientalist scholars almost 200 years later to explain to it (in order to exploit) the Middle East?

    This sort of logical contradiction is not that big a deal in the larger scheme of things, and I’m sure The Poz is actually happy it exists, since it can easily be elided over under normal circumstances, yet will still exist in the background of a not insignificant number of people’s brains, causing the sort of cognitive dissonance and unease that makes them even more pliable to being told what to do. So the parlor game question becomes- under what circumstances would this become a big enough deal to have its illogic actually need addressing, and who would then be expected to fold? The swarthy, but tragically cis-het (and Christian to boot!) refugee outsider for his man-splainin’, or our first female major Presidential candidate spawned in the loving bosom of our first black President? OK, this is stupid- of course the white woman would be expected to back-down and apologize! “As a white woman, I need to be taught so I can go teach other whites!”

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  34. Just last week, Netanyahu’s government pushed through the Knesset a shameful new law declaring that wildcat Jewish settlers who had illegally set up caravans on private West Bank Palestinian land, and erected their own settlement there, will have their settlements legalized, although the Palestinian landowners have to be compensated.

    This is actually a straight lie. Recently, the town of Amona was destroyed because it was found that one house in the entire town was on land owned by an Arab. Bizarrely, they can’t even find the Arab in question, but an EU funded NGO dug up some deeds showing that the house in on land that was given out to various Palestinian tribal chiefs by Jordan 1948-1967. So the Supreme Court ordered the entire settlement to be knocked down. You can’t do anything about the Supreme Court using its discretionary power in crazy ways like this because it appoints its own members, so the Kenesset passed a law giving it zero room for discretionary power, ensuring that eminent domain powers will be used in future cases of this sort. (In all likelihood the Supreme Court will find a way to strike down the law so it’s pretty moot).

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    Ordinarily I wouldn't respond to a Jew troll , but really this is too much . You think you can show up here when the hasbara alarm goes off and cut and paste the usual boilerplate BS ? The Jew used it's influence in the west , first in GB then in the US to promote it's own interests at the expense of the host . You , your people dragged us into the First world war to further your own interests to steal the land of the backwards Arab peasants to create a Jew nest . Since the f**king stooge Woodrow Wilson appointed the progressive Communist Louis Brandeis to the supreme court , this country has been dragged down to multiculturalist hell . It's you , The Jews and their progressive stooges on the Court like Earl Warren that have pushed this agenda to destroy the USA . Here you Hebrews clamor for "justice" for the Browns , the fags and now your bitterest enemies the Muzzies . Fool , you have become so bold and foolish now that you endorse the destruction of your only "friend" . Well , I am not your friend and I can imagine no greater joy than seeing you all leave through the chimney .
  35. @Gabriel M
    The Two State Solution is a classic zombie idea. The idea stays the same, but the justifications for it keep changing, even contradicting themselves. Over the course of my life I have seen the following progression.

    1) Creating a Palestinian state will lead to peace and goodwill between Israel and the Arabs.

    2) OK, so there's a chance that the Palestinians will use their state as a base to attack Israel, but that's fine because everyone will understand that Israel tried and will allow Israel to use its massively superior firepower to crush any attacks.

    3) OK, so it turns out that if you do that the world says you are being disproportionate, so any Palestinian state will have the effective right to shut down your economy whenever it feels like it, but you still have to give away the West Bank because America is our closest ally and we can't afford to alienate it.

    4) Blah, blah, golf, something, Bibi has damaged ties with Mexico* , something, Anne Frank museum, something bipartisan consensus can't be seen as too close to Trump, something.

    *(I shit you not)

    Bibi has damaged ties with Mexico*

    Bibi’s tweet in defense of Trump’s wall was hearty and manly, if- yes- ill-advised in the clinical light of (deep-)statecraft. A couple years back a former head of the Mossad had to lower himself to penning an inane NEW YORK TIMES op-ed in praise of Democrats as the real pro-Zionists (despite even then being well on their way to mutating into the party of BDS and Third World resentment) in order to keep up appearances with the Donkey Party so that no matter who comes out on top in November, Israel wins. Picking sides between two international parties on a matter that doesn’t concern you and so unnecessarily making an enemy as Netanyahu did was dumb, but gloriously dumb, as in “hey, let me try this Twitter thing my bro’ Donald keeps talking about!” If you’re a real man sometimes you just get tired of creeping around, weighing every action in the finest scales, and pandering to ugly feminists and multi-culti weirdos. Better to live one day as a lion…

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  36. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/20committee/status/832089491766706180

    This would be John Schindler, former NSA spook, who had to leave his Naval War College professorship after being caught with a bad case of Weineritis.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/

    (“Penis photo flap” is an interesting phrase.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666319/Navy-college-professor-placed-leave-photo.html

    Apparently the “vixen” tried to take the fall for him:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2668736/Woman-outed-married-U-S-Naval-War-College-professor-sent-nude-photo-says-regrets-going-public-allegations.html

    Yep, that there’s some high quality IC we got passing judgment on Team Trump, the President, and his voters.

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    "His alleged penis" is a cringe-inducing description; the "penis photo flap" people either have a weird sense of humour or a flawed sense of language use.
  37. @Abe

    Bibi has damaged ties with Mexico*
     
    Bibi's tweet in defense of Trump's wall was hearty and manly, if- yes- ill-advised in the clinical light of (deep-)statecraft. A couple years back a former head of the Mossad had to lower himself to penning an inane NEW YORK TIMES op-ed in praise of Democrats as the real pro-Zionists (despite even then being well on their way to mutating into the party of BDS and Third World resentment) in order to keep up appearances with the Donkey Party so that no matter who comes out on top in November, Israel wins. Picking sides between two international parties on a matter that doesn't concern you and so unnecessarily making an enemy as Netanyahu did was dumb, but gloriously dumb, as in "hey, let me try this Twitter thing my bro' Donald keeps talking about!" If you're a real man sometimes you just get tired of creeping around, weighing every action in the finest scales, and pandering to ugly feminists and multi-culti weirdos. Better to live one day as a lion...
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    @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/20committee/status/832089491766706180

    people literally working for another nation and government – almost blatantly – are accusing others of the same

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  39. > but I don’t pay that much attention to it because

    “I knew Jack-doesn’t-pay-much-attention-to-Jews, Senator Sailor, and you are no Jack-doesn’t-pay-much-attention-to-Jews!!”

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  40. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/20committee/status/832089491766706180

    Isn’t Schindler the guy who like Anthony Wiener got caught sending images of his crotch around on the innerwebs?

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  41. @Opinionator
    The Friedman doesn't give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.

    1 Opionator > The Friedman doesn’t give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians

    it’s because he’s Kuwaiti

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  42. Can you appreciate the corrosive impact on Israel’s democracy of what it’s now doing in the West Bank? I ask because you may be the last man standing between Israel and a complete, self-inflicted disaster for the Jewish state and the Jewish people.

    I love it! Israel genocides the Pallies away and it’s a disaster for … the Jews. How do you say ‘myopia’ in Yiddish?

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  43. @AnotherDad

    President Trump, you may not be interested in Jewish history, but Jewish history is now interested in you.
     
    And the rest of us are supposed to give a crap?

    Paging Quincy Adams, paging John Quincy Adams ... please report to New York Times editorial department. Your services are urgently required there.

    Shouldn't Jews with their high verbal IQs be able to make at least reasonably intelligent decisions about their nation ... themselves!

    As an actual American--i.e. someone whose roots and loyalty are in America--i want Trump to concentrate entirely on American "history"--i.e. making sure *America's* future will be great. (Not screwed up by the likes of Freidman.) Israelis can worry about their own damn history.

    23 AnotherDad > As an actual American–i.e. someone whose roots and loyalty are in America–i want Trump to concentrate entirely on American “history”

    hey buddy, when you can afford marked-up, ARTISANAL push-up bras like the JAPs in Park Slope spending their WolfOfWallStreet boyfriends money….. ==then== The New York times will give a shit about your agendas!

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  44. @JimB
    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character. Sorry, but that boat already sailed. Intermarriage has diluted Jewish character heavily across the globe. High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid (and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg) or Jewish men decided they could no longer tolerate living with nagging Jewish women (and married shiksas as did Mel Brooks). Either way, full blood Jewish people who can trace all their grandparents back to the shtetls have become much more rare since the 1960s.

    > and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg

    is she’s “exotic”, then i’m Mel Gibson

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  45. @JimB
    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character. Sorry, but that boat already sailed. Intermarriage has diluted Jewish character heavily across the globe. High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid (and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg) or Jewish men decided they could no longer tolerate living with nagging Jewish women (and married shiksas as did Mel Brooks). Either way, full blood Jewish people who can trace all their grandparents back to the shtetls have become much more rare since the 1960s.

    > and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg

    is she’s “exotic”, then i’m Mel Gibson

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  46. Surely the US shouldn’t be interfering in internal Israeli politics? That’s the sort of thing we’re told those naughty Russians do.

    “When Russia goes low, we go high”

    Not that I’ve got anything against the Russians. No Russian ever called me deplorable.

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    Not that I’ve got anything against the Russians. No Russian ever called me deplorable.
     
    Meant to LOL at that above, not DISAGREE. Big fingers, small screen...
  47. @guest
    You're not going to get an answer to your question, because vagueness benefits them. There's a sort of motte and bailey quality to the Russian interference Narrative. The evidence which 17 or whatever intelligence agencies vouched for covers specific hacks, I imagine. Maybe including the DNC Wikileaks hacks, I don't know. Maybe they hacked into a City Hall computer in Bumwad, Idaho.

    But they wouldn't like your brain to stop there. They want you to think in terms of fixing vote counts and/or Trump as a Manchurian Candidate. They won't come out and say that. They'll make you think that's what they're alleging, then when you call them on it, they reduce it to Russians hacked something somewhere sometime.

    I don't like the idea of foreign governments influencing our elections, though I assume they had been all along. Why is it suddenly such big news now? Because Wikileaks made the DNC look bad at the worst possible time. Also, because That Man is in the highest office in the land. Doesn't seem like reason enough to be so frightened.

    After all, it was the truth, wasn't it? (Despite the fact that, along with a couple other things, it spurred creation of the catchphrase "fake news.")

    The “interference Narrative ” ends thus:

    “He’s everywhere, you know ”

    Beep Boop Boop… Putin is hacking your intertubes!

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  48. I think it’s obvious that generally speaking, neither the Palestinians or the Israelis want a 2 state solution – they each one a single state with most of the population of their antagonist gone or subjugated.

    Conflicts persist until one of the belligerents loses the will or ability to keep fighting, not by imposing a ‘peace’ that neither side wants.

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    I've known a lot of Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims in general living in the US, including some who are immigrants from the Middle East. This is admittedly a small sample size of people who aren't on the actual firing line but:
    Most Jews support a two state solution, because that means there is still an Israel.
    I have yet to talk to a single, solitary Palestinian who would accept a permanent two state solution under any terms.
    Only a tiny fraction of Muslims in general would accept a two state solution, and then only as an interim step to a single state.
    Palestinians regard Israel as utterly illegitimate, and a toxic foreign body lodged in the Arab world. They intend to struggle until it is all Palestine from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The more moderate and Westernized ones indulge in the self-delusion that the new Palestine would be a secular state with a place for everyone, except whatever happens to the Zionists will be a bed they made for themselves.
    How anyone solves this historical dilemma; I have no more idea than anyone else.
  49. There cannot be a 2 state (or binational single state) solution now, because there isn’t enough land in the West Bank, and hard line Russian immigrants have altered Israeli politics. There is going to be an Aparthied system (http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/country-wrong-right/) unless the Arabs are removed.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/is-population-transfer-the-solution-to-the-palestinian-problem-and-some-others

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  50. I want to see a movie about a vulgar Mexican construction magnate named Eddie Guerrero joining a stuffy Germanic Jewish country club. Eddie brings in a Mariachi band during the Holocaust remembrance ceremony. He blows out the minora during Hanukah with a fart. He hosts a pig roast for the local Rabbi’s birthday. Another time Eddie gives tequila to the Stuffy Rachel Goldberg daughter’s Bat Mitvah because he thinks it’s a Quinceañera and all the kids are vashnigyered!

    What’s a rich Jew to do?!?

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    This would be hilarious.
    , @guest
    The thing is, they'd know exactly what to do. Even in Hollywood, Jews aren't stupid enough to fall for the diversity nonsense. That's for other people. Friedman only brings it up as part of his pretend advice to Trump, which I'm not going to try to work out because it makes no sense.

    Also, he brings it up because in this case "discrimination" almost affected the One, who unlike Eddie Guerrero is a model non-Jew.

  51. (A) it’s not my country, and (B) lots of people in the American press do pay attention to it, so I don’t think I have that much more to contribute relative to a lot of other topics.

    And in my case (C) as far as I can tell, the whole thing is a world-historically insoluble mess.

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    Not at all insoluble. US and Europe simply need to apply real pressure.
  52. I don’t pay that much attention to it because, (A) it’s not my country

    I always say that if a private religious organization wants to carve out a country somewhere, what does that have to do with the American taxpayer?

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  53. Actually, Trump just made the Israel-Palestine conflict real interesting for the rest of us. He fielded the one-state solution.

    As far as settlements, I’d like to see you hold back on settlements for a little bit. We’ll work something out. But I would like to see a deal be made. I think a deal will be made. So I’m looking at two-state and one-state, and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like. I could live with either one. I thought for a while the two-state looked like it may be the easier of the two, but honestly, if Bibi and if the Palestinians, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best. The Israelis are going to have to show some flexibility, which is hard, it’s hard to do… I think the Palestinians have to get rid of some of that hate…

    Liberal Zionists claim that this is an act of dangerous, ill informed buffoonery by Trump and that the Arabs would never accept this anyway. Why wouldn’t they? If they are smart, they would accept second class citizenship for Palestinians and play the long game of demographics and liberation. That’s already their strategy for Europe.

    Radical Zionists are more interested in sacred land than in demographics. They believe their own propaganda. They are somewhat similar to cuckservatives who wanted amnesty with second class citizenship for illegals in the US. Zionists, unlike cuckservatives, are prepared to enforce Apartheid though.

    The real losers are the liberal Zionist diaspora. They get diversity and inclusion of Muslims … in Israel. Most importantly for us, their “ethno-nationalism for us, but not for you” narrative faces collapse.

    Trump is playing 3d chess after all.

    Richard Spencer should seize this trolling opportunity and endorse the two-state solution as the only peaceful, demographically sound, ethno-nationalist option. That would be hilarious.

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    The real losers are the liberal Zionist diaspora. They get diversity and inclusion of Muslims … in Israel. Most importantly for us, their “ethno-nationalism for us, but not for you” narrative faces collapse.
     
    The 'but not for you” of the Diaspora would will assume terrifying proportions without a Jewish state in Israel, I am afraid it is both or neither. Friedman knows this , which is why and his ilk support the policies of Obama, which were aimed at eradicating ethno-nationalism in both Israel and the USA
  54. To quote Tom Friedman quoting Woodmont’s president….” a place where people of varying beliefs and views can enjoy fellowship,” as long as it matches Friedman’s view.

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  55. why tom? because this story has everything, cossacks(Russians), blackballs,country clubs,magic negroes,cattle cars no just kidding. did I say Russians ,Russians ,Russians,hack,hack,hack.

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  56. Dear President Trump:

    These are the moments that make or break a presidency.

    How ominous! Isn’t Thomas Friedman the journalist who bragged that there were 25 men all of whom live within a 1 mile radius of his home, who that if they all could have been quarantined on an island immediately after 911 for a few years that the Iraq war would never have happened?

    Coming from Friedman, this opening statement to Trump should be read as a threat rather than a point of fact.

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  57. @Gabriel M
    The Two State Solution is a classic zombie idea. The idea stays the same, but the justifications for it keep changing, even contradicting themselves. Over the course of my life I have seen the following progression.

    1) Creating a Palestinian state will lead to peace and goodwill between Israel and the Arabs.

    2) OK, so there's a chance that the Palestinians will use their state as a base to attack Israel, but that's fine because everyone will understand that Israel tried and will allow Israel to use its massively superior firepower to crush any attacks.

    3) OK, so it turns out that if you do that the world says you are being disproportionate, so any Palestinian state will have the effective right to shut down your economy whenever it feels like it, but you still have to give away the West Bank because America is our closest ally and we can't afford to alienate it.

    4) Blah, blah, golf, something, Bibi has damaged ties with Mexico* , something, Anne Frank museum, something bipartisan consensus can't be seen as too close to Trump, something.

    *(I shit you not)

    Saudi Arabia, Jordan, The Gulf Monarchies, Egypt all pouring huge amounts of money and weapons into Palestine.
    errr
    not so much. Israel has very good relations with its local Moslem cousins.
    Israel has much less good relations with any Moslem state that modernizes.
    Syria, Lebanon, Iraq all secular Moslem states all attacked by Israel.
    Iran a secular Moslem Caucasian State attacked by Israel for years.
    When the Israeli military had its ass handed to it in Lebanon in 06, their response was to attempt to again destroy Beirut. Anthony Bourdain was doing one of his cooking shows and was evacuated along with most of the other American Tourists.
    It is not so much the ISIS or the conservative madrassa set that is a threat to Israel.
    It is that as any Moslem country become more secular it simultaneously become more economically threatening. So preemptive destruction before secularization succeeds.
    Why is America so important in this equation? Because China doesn’t do much investing in or tourist traffic with Israel. Because the EU is proving to be a fertile home for those Moslems who cannot secularize and who actively hate Israel.

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  58. The Washington Post reported, the club’s president, Barry Forman, invited the Obamas to join, declaring that “it is all the more important that Woodmont be a place where people of varying views and beliefs can enjoy fellowship.”

    Isn’t this the exact opposite reason why country clubs were created in the first place? Wealthy people created them to socialize with like minded people with whom they shared a common background and beliefs. It is no wonder why they are struggling to maintain their historic membership levels with this mentality. I can’t wait until someone proposes scholarship memberships for underrepresented minorities in the name of diversity.

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  59. @Anonymous Nephew
    Surely the US shouldn't be interfering in internal Israeli politics? That's the sort of thing we're told those naughty Russians do.

    "When Russia goes low, we go high"

    Not that I've got anything against the Russians. No Russian ever called me deplorable.

    Not that I’ve got anything against the Russians. No Russian ever called me deplorable.

    Meant to LOL at that above, not DISAGREE. Big fingers, small screen…

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  60. @JimB
    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character. Sorry, but that boat already sailed. Intermarriage has diluted Jewish character heavily across the globe. High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid (and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg) or Jewish men decided they could no longer tolerate living with nagging Jewish women (and married shiksas as did Mel Brooks). Either way, full blood Jewish people who can trace all their grandparents back to the shtetls have become much more rare since the 1960s.

    High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerberg

    Fred Reed, who spent some time in Southeast Asia, had a line about Westerners who found Asian women exotic: “Asian women are about as exotic as potatoes.”

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  61. Friedman is wrong (no surprise) about the two-state solution. It is far from the only option that would preserve Israel as a Jewish majority and democratic state. Other, possibly better, alternatives include:

    1) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank which contains almost all of the Jews (“settlers” in the biased language of the MSM) but only a handful of Arabs. The rest of the West Bank unites with Gaza or forms its own state. This is ‘two state lite’ and solves the supposedly awful, awful problem of Palestinian Arabs having Jews living in their territory.

    2) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank. The rest of the West Bank reunites with Jordan (it was part of Jordan from 1948-1967) and Gaza reunites with Egypt (same). This makes the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza citizens of large, relatively stable Arab states that are all at peace with Israel. Three state solution.

    3) The Emirates plan. Scholars have noted that Arab countries do not do well when combining different tribal and familial groups. On the other hand, emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous (oil helps, of course). The West Bank should be divided into seven emirates, to be ruled by the dominant family of each region. Gaza would be an eighth emirate, ruled by Hamas for the time being.

    The main obstacle to the media and individuals understanding that there are good alternatives out there is that people have been propagandized by the fiction that Palestinian Arabs are a distinct, coherent people and therefore absolutely need one state. That is simply not the case. The Palestinian identity was invented in the 1970s. Before that, no Arab considered themselves to be a “Palestinian,” other than a political status.

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    The problem with annexing Area C is that it would be easy to see it as a Bantustan approach to the problem: The Palestinian areas would be fragmented and completely surrounded by Israel, and also dependent on Israel for their transportation (obviously) and probably continue to be dependent for their water and power needs (as I think is the case today.) In other words, creating a "two state solution" that looked like that would lead to accusations of it being gerrymandered to create the impression of sovereignty and democracy when that would not really be the case.

    It's not as though Israel respects the sovereignty or untouchability of either Areas A or B, at least not for its security forces.

    BTW, here's a map of Area C. Acccording to it, 150 K Arabs live there.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Restricted_space_in_the_West_Bank%2C_Area_C.png/800px-Restricted_space_in_the_West_Bank%2C_Area_C.png
    , @Karl
    62 biz > emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous



    I've spent a lot more time living in and strolling around working-class Bahraini neighborhoods than you have, and I disagree. Once you get over, oh, 10-11% Shi-ite, you're in for a continuous roller-coaster ride, habibi.
    , @Karl
    62 biz > emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous



    I've spent a lot more time living in and strolling around working-class Bahraini neighborhoods than you have, and I disagree. Once you get over, oh, 10-11% Shi-ite, you're in for a continuous roller-coaster ride, habibi.
  62. @Bastion
    When some future Gibbon writes the Rise and Fall of the American Empire, I have little doubt that the death of freedom of association will figure prominently. I think you can really boil virtually any of the PC nonsense (i.e. conventional wisdom of the Current Year) down to the i-th iteration of the attack on freedom of association. Jews didn't care for Obama's policy toward the Jewish homeland so they don't care to associate with him. Oh the horror.

    The Right caving in to the ’64 Civil Rights Act was the introduction of an insidious but lethal disease.
    The Act’s continuing attack on freedom of association has been devastating.
    Integration was proceeding at its natural pace, and would have found its natural equilibrium point desired by society, both black and white.
    Instead it has been rammed down our throats de jure (though we are still quite segregated de facto).
    Freedom of association absolutism would solve may of the ills we face.
    Down deep, ignoring the hypocrisy, it is what we all want for ourselves.

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  63. @eah
    ...and utterly failed to appreciate the corrosive impact on our democracy of your indulgence of Russia’s hacking our election.

    At least Mr Trump -- who's a very busy man you know -- need not read more than the first sentence to be able to answer the question: Yeah, OK, sure, I'll 'save the Jews' (whatever that means) -- just not you in particular, asshole.

    the world’s richest reporter

    I don't think he's really a "reporter" -- but then who is anymore these days?

    Thomas L. Friedman was a reporter in the past but has been an opinion columnist for many years now.

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  64. @slumber_j

    (A) it’s not my country, and (B) lots of people in the American press do pay attention to it, so I don’t think I have that much more to contribute relative to a lot of other topics.
     
    And in my case (C) as far as I can tell, the whole thing is a world-historically insoluble mess.

    Not at all insoluble. US and Europe simply need to apply real pressure.

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    Yes, so simple. Just wave a stick about.

    One of two sides is going to occupy that land. My money's on the Jews--they're smarter, wealthier, and better fighters.
    , @FX Enderby
    The US apply pressure to Israel! The Israel lobby runs the US gov. For example, nearly every congressman employs a foreign policy "expert" trained by AIPAC. Israel calls the shots.

    Take Trump. He has opposed the entrenched power structure on nearly every issue and has not been afraid to take everybody on and piss everyone off. With one exception - unconditional support for Israel. Trump knows just how far he can go, and which fights are winnable.

    The Israel lobby is in control for now and for the foreseeable future. And even Sailer doesn't seem to care all that much.
  65. @ben tillman

    First you were tested by a rival — Russia — and utterly failed to appreciate the corrosive impact on our democracy of your indulgence of Russia’s hacking our election.
     
    We are three weeks into four years of non-stop megaphonic lying, and it's actually getting worse.

    What Russia without evidence is alleged to have done to influence the last election is nothing compared to what the Democrats and their Cultural Marxist allies have verifiably done to damage our democracy. Attempts at a “soft” coup in which ex-President Obama and his fellow travelers in the MSM and government intelligence services conspire against the new President are anathema to democracy and rule of law.

    But Obama and his buddies already know this … and they don’t care.

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  66. @Abe

    I don’t read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by “Russia hacked our election.” Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts?
     
    Don't you know the famous adage by now, dummy? Fake News is the first draft of Fake History.

    Fake News is the first draft of Fake History.

    I was going to say something along those lines, but you said it much, much better. Nicely done, sir.

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  67. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by "Russia hacked our election." Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that's not true. If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that's dubious. The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone's minds?

    Furthermore, Trump was campaigning against the headwinds of Hillary's far larger campaign war chest, Hillary's support from the mainstream media including the debate moderators, Hillary's support from the entire entertainment industry, and the Republican establishment's being lukewarm to openly hostile to him.

    Against this, Friedman feels those hacked emails made all the difference?

    I don’t read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by “Russia hacked our election.” Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts?

    I think he does.

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  68. @guest
    His is just the sort of mighty intellect that can be genuinely carried away by banal falsehoods--or metaphors, if you will--like "the world is flat." He may or may not be a genius, I wouldn't know. But he's lazy. Just like most Current Year court, err, I mean "public" intellectuals.

    (Not all of them, of course. Some, like Ron Chernow, a definite court historian, is honest and forthright enough for me to wonder how he was ever allowed to be so famous. Which I may have mentioned here before.)

    Many “smart” people have serious holes in their thinking.
    Vonnegut put it very well in Mother Night:

    The boss G-man concluded wrongly that there were no teeth on the gears in the mind of Jones. ‘You’re completely crazy,’ he said.
    Jones wasn’t completely crazy. The dismaying thing about classic totalitarian mind is that any given gear, though mutilated, will have at its circumference unbroken sequences of teeth that are immaculately maintained, that are exquisitely machined.
    Hence the cuckoo clock in Hell – keeping perfect time for eight minutes and twenty-three seconds, jumping ahead fourteen minutes, keeping perfect time for six seconds, jumping ahead two seconds, keeping perfect time for two hours and one second, then jumping ahead a year.
    The missing teeth, of course, are simple, obvious truths, truths available and comprehensible even to ten-year-olds, in most cases.The wilful filing off a gear teeth, the wilful doing without certain obvious pieces of information …

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  69. “…I probably more or less agree with Friedman about the 2-state solution and the West Bank settlements and all that, but I don’t pay that much attention to it because, (A) it’s not my country…”

    Let me paraphrase the old adage :

    If you’re not paying that much attention to the country that it’s not yours, the country -that is not yours-will pay much attention to you.

    And personally, although not big fun of tail wag the dog tradition of US foreign policy, I’m getting really tired of a false narrative about noble,underdogging Native Arabicans at all levels.

    And while Robert Kaplans’ zer-expertise and deliberate absence of cosmopoliethnocentric simplification also has a whiff of Friedmanesque fact-flatting tendency, I would agree with his verdict;

    Israeli settlers are indeed modern days cowboys in this East Side Story.

    And I will always side with The Cowboys- for the same reason that Allen Stewart Königsberg, when he was cornered with a self- inflicted choice between the Pope and air conditioning, had decided to opt for the latter in a NewYork minute.

    And I’m not subscribed to the Song of Mohammed Al Hiawatha; just because The Fakepedia manages repeatedly to memory-hole his youthful cannibalistic indiscretions doesn’t mean that I need to invite his nowadays brethren for a dinner.

    And for every Edward Said there are hundred and twelve thousands neo-philistine troglodytes that will not stop to intifade you until you’re deep buried under that pile of rocks they will later use as a stairway to Heaven.

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  70. @Arclight
    I think it's obvious that generally speaking, neither the Palestinians or the Israelis want a 2 state solution - they each one a single state with most of the population of their antagonist gone or subjugated.

    Conflicts persist until one of the belligerents loses the will or ability to keep fighting, not by imposing a 'peace' that neither side wants.

    I’ve known a lot of Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims in general living in the US, including some who are immigrants from the Middle East. This is admittedly a small sample size of people who aren’t on the actual firing line but:
    Most Jews support a two state solution, because that means there is still an Israel.
    I have yet to talk to a single, solitary Palestinian who would accept a permanent two state solution under any terms.
    Only a tiny fraction of Muslims in general would accept a two state solution, and then only as an interim step to a single state.
    Palestinians regard Israel as utterly illegitimate, and a toxic foreign body lodged in the Arab world. They intend to struggle until it is all Palestine from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The more moderate and Westernized ones indulge in the self-delusion that the new Palestine would be a secular state with a place for everyone, except whatever happens to the Zionists will be a bed they made for themselves.
    How anyone solves this historical dilemma; I have no more idea than anyone else.

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    I think there are a fair amount Israelis/supporters of Israel that hope they can gradually encroach on more and more West Bank land so that Palestinians are displaced to other part of the region, and eventually this becomes at least de facto part of Israel. This is the reason for my comment that they don't really want a 2 state solution unless I suppose Gaza is considered it's own city/state.

    As for the Arabs, I agree with you there - they want to wipe out what is known as Israel and many would be happy to slaughter the Jews that live there. In that scenario then what is currently an area with a modern economy and high per capita GDP would sink right into the cultural and economic poverty that defines much of the rest of the region.

    Frankly, I think the ME is going to be a hellhole for just about forever - I don't think the rich states will be able to sustain their level of living as oil becomes less important over time and they don't have the cultural or intellectual infrastructure to become something like Japan. Let them stay in their sandbox and use appropriate measures to ensure they remain there while we try to keep our civilization and standard of living intact.
    , @Flip
    Paul Craig Roberts suggested we should just give American citizenship to the Israeli Jews and have them abandon the Middle East. I'd rather live in Westchester County than Israel myself.
  71. This asshole, live, on national television, claimed that alleged cyber-shenanigans are tantamount to the invasion of Pearl Harbor and the destruction of the World Trade Center.

    Draw your own conclusions about his intelligence and character.

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  72. @Abe

    It was appalling to think that Jews, who for so many years were themselves excluded from joining certain country clubs, would consider excluding our first black president,
     
    It's hilarious. If Stalin had been an open-borders, politically correct, SJW fanatic bent on world revolution in the name of overthrowing the decadent micro-aggression masters, he could not have engineered the 3 acts of self-defilement Trump has oh-so-masterfully, yet at the same time so off-handedly, provoked in less than a month in office.

    Let's see- he's gotten "Christian" leaders to declare that rescuing Christian refugees from the Middle East facing genuine religious persecution is decidedly NOT what their mission is. He's gotten a Jew to declare that intra-ethnic solidarity and standing up for Israel is just not worth it if it requires using the most inhumane methods of the enemy (country club membership vendettas- oh the humanity!). And, oh yeah, the (anti-)Pope just chimed in this week about the Dakota pipeline, saying the preservation of native ancestral lands is very important to the Catholic Church, because heathens and their local spirits have been part of who we Roman Catholics are as a people from the very beginning.

    That’s mighty white of old Frannie. And just how does he feel about the preservation of the native ancestral lands of European people and their right to exist, unmolested?

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  73. Why am I telling you this story?

    Because pointless rambling is just how Thomas Friedman rolls!

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  74. Far too late to save them – from themselves. Trump is no miracal worker.

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  75. So basically,

    “Nationalist leader endangers people by being too mean to minorities. A real leader lets his society be overrun by outsiders because love, or something.” – Tom Friedman

    Does the left really believe this contrarian view of the world? Or is it just a poor rationalization for their emotions?

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  76. @Alfa158
    I've known a lot of Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims in general living in the US, including some who are immigrants from the Middle East. This is admittedly a small sample size of people who aren't on the actual firing line but:
    Most Jews support a two state solution, because that means there is still an Israel.
    I have yet to talk to a single, solitary Palestinian who would accept a permanent two state solution under any terms.
    Only a tiny fraction of Muslims in general would accept a two state solution, and then only as an interim step to a single state.
    Palestinians regard Israel as utterly illegitimate, and a toxic foreign body lodged in the Arab world. They intend to struggle until it is all Palestine from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The more moderate and Westernized ones indulge in the self-delusion that the new Palestine would be a secular state with a place for everyone, except whatever happens to the Zionists will be a bed they made for themselves.
    How anyone solves this historical dilemma; I have no more idea than anyone else.

    I think there are a fair amount Israelis/supporters of Israel that hope they can gradually encroach on more and more West Bank land so that Palestinians are displaced to other part of the region, and eventually this becomes at least de facto part of Israel. This is the reason for my comment that they don’t really want a 2 state solution unless I suppose Gaza is considered it’s own city/state.

    As for the Arabs, I agree with you there – they want to wipe out what is known as Israel and many would be happy to slaughter the Jews that live there. In that scenario then what is currently an area with a modern economy and high per capita GDP would sink right into the cultural and economic poverty that defines much of the rest of the region.

    Frankly, I think the ME is going to be a hellhole for just about forever – I don’t think the rich states will be able to sustain their level of living as oil becomes less important over time and they don’t have the cultural or intellectual infrastructure to become something like Japan. Let them stay in their sandbox and use appropriate measures to ensure they remain there while we try to keep our civilization and standard of living intact.

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  77. It’s almost as if Friedman and Krugman are having a running contest to see who can write the stupidest drivel.

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    Add David Brooks for the NYT trifecta
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    "Fatuosity -- thy name is Friedman!"
  78. I, for one, don’t give a fresh, sticky crap if Jews are ‘saved’ or not. They’re saved by goys, a few years later, they kick those goys in the teeth as way of thanks. If they ever get their asses jammed in another ‘why did the heavens not darken’ moment – we sit it out this time. Maybe there won’t be any jackasses left to kick us in the teeth.

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  79. Jewish culture has always been centered around learning and charity. Philosophy and its associated arguments have always been intertwined in the Jewish mind. The good Christian follows the laws of God. The good Jew argues with God. This culture has defined the Jewish people for thousands of years.

    But it has succumbed to right wing zealotry. Jewish culture has fallen into the lure of right wing authoritarianism. The Holocaust was the defining event that caused the shift. Something about wanting to live when everyone around you seeks your death tends to make one aggressive and unforgiving. But that was not the point of no return.

    As soon as Israel was established, the Arabs, influenced by white Christians, declared war. They claimed a war of annihilation. They stated they wanted to push the Jews into the sea. When they couldn’t win on the battlefield, they turned to terror.

    It’s too late for a two state solution. This is what happens when white men exert their influence

    The clock cannot be turned back. This is what happens when politics is replaced with war and death.

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  80. It’s always about saving the rich, privileged, overrepresented Jews. Palestinians are chopped liver. That’s when it’s Jewish interests at stake, anyway. When it’s America’s interests, it’s always about saving the poor, underprivileged, underrepresented Blacks, Hispanics, etc.

    The suffering and oppression of the Palestinians is a consequence of ingrates such as yourself egging them on to fight conflicts they cannot possibly win. The historical record is very clear.

    Turnabout is fair play, I suppose. Jews are always egging on the Blacks, the Hispanics, the Muslims, the Amerinds, the deviants, etc. Well, in western countries, anyway; not so much in Israel.

    But all that was ruined because muh freedom and muh right of self determination. How moral.

    How much ruin have Jews wrought on Blacks under the same banners? It’s no secret what has happened to Blacks, since the left got ‘hold of them.

    Again, I guess turnabout is fair play.

    Put another way, the Tribe has no cause for complaint. Far from it.

    These Chinese students could have a point. Why is blood and soil nationalism OK for Tibet but not for Sweden? Tibet also has a history of Islamophobia and seems to take an unnatural interest in demographics. What difference does it make if Tibetans are now a minority in Tibet? This earth belongs to all the people!

    China has a history of “Islamophobia,” too. Just as the Dzungars. And Chinese still have the gall to throw the conquest of North America in our faces. We never did anything like that.

    The Two State Solution is a classic zombie idea. The idea stays the same, but the justifications for it keep changing, even contradicting themselves. Over the course of my life I have seen the following progression.

    Tell it to the Jews, and their endless pushing of the same old failed leftist racial policies.

    I think it’s obvious that generally speaking, neither the Palestinians or the Israelis want a 2 state solution – they each one a single state with most of the population of their antagonist gone or subjugated.

    Conflicts persist until one of the belligerents loses the will or ability to keep fighting, not by imposing a ‘peace’ that neither side wants.

    I keep telling Jews something similar about the American settlers and the Amerinds, but they don’t want to hear it.

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  81. @biz
    Friedman is wrong (no surprise) about the two-state solution. It is far from the only option that would preserve Israel as a Jewish majority and democratic state. Other, possibly better, alternatives include:

    1) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank which contains almost all of the Jews ("settlers" in the biased language of the MSM) but only a handful of Arabs. The rest of the West Bank unites with Gaza or forms its own state. This is 'two state lite' and solves the supposedly awful, awful problem of Palestinian Arabs having Jews living in their territory.

    2) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank. The rest of the West Bank reunites with Jordan (it was part of Jordan from 1948-1967) and Gaza reunites with Egypt (same). This makes the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza citizens of large, relatively stable Arab states that are all at peace with Israel. Three state solution.

    3) The Emirates plan. Scholars have noted that Arab countries do not do well when combining different tribal and familial groups. On the other hand, emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous (oil helps, of course). The West Bank should be divided into seven emirates, to be ruled by the dominant family of each region. Gaza would be an eighth emirate, ruled by Hamas for the time being.

    The main obstacle to the media and individuals understanding that there are good alternatives out there is that people have been propagandized by the fiction that Palestinian Arabs are a distinct, coherent people and therefore absolutely need one state. That is simply not the case. The Palestinian identity was invented in the 1970s. Before that, no Arab considered themselves to be a "Palestinian," other than a political status.

    The problem with annexing Area C is that it would be easy to see it as a Bantustan approach to the problem: The Palestinian areas would be fragmented and completely surrounded by Israel, and also dependent on Israel for their transportation (obviously) and probably continue to be dependent for their water and power needs (as I think is the case today.) In other words, creating a “two state solution” that looked like that would lead to accusations of it being gerrymandered to create the impression of sovereignty and democracy when that would not really be the case.

    It’s not as though Israel respects the sovereignty or untouchability of either Areas A or B, at least not for its security forces.

    BTW, here’s a map of Area C. Acccording to it, 150 K Arabs live there.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Restricted_space_in_the_West_Bank%2C_Area_C.png/800px-Restricted_space_in_the_West_Bank%2C_Area_C.png

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  82. @Jim Don Bob
    It's almost as if Friedman and Krugman are having a running contest to see who can write the stupidest drivel.

    Add David Brooks for the NYT trifecta

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  83. Yeah, I don’t care about Israel either. I’m always surprised at the number of Gentiles who do care – a lot. I remember Gary Bauer in 2008 justified supporting McCain over fellow Evangelical Huckabee because “McCain was right on the most important issue: Israel”.

    Which struck me as 10x of crazy, but different strokes…

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  84. @Yak-15
    I want to see a movie about a vulgar Mexican construction magnate named Eddie Guerrero joining a stuffy Germanic Jewish country club. Eddie brings in a Mariachi band during the Holocaust remembrance ceremony. He blows out the minora during Hanukah with a fart. He hosts a pig roast for the local Rabbi's birthday. Another time Eddie gives tequila to the Stuffy Rachel Goldberg daughter's Bat Mitvah because he thinks it's a Quinceañera and all the kids are vashnigyered!

    What's a rich Jew to do?!?

    This would be hilarious.

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  85. @Jim Don Bob
    It's almost as if Friedman and Krugman are having a running contest to see who can write the stupidest drivel.

    “Fatuosity — thy name is Friedman!”

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  86. @Opinionator
    Not at all insoluble. US and Europe simply need to apply real pressure.

    Yes, so simple. Just wave a stick about.

    One of two sides is going to occupy that land. My money’s on the Jews–they’re smarter, wealthier, and better fighters.

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    The comment says to apply pressure to Israel, not to wave a stick.
  87. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yes, so simple. Just wave a stick about.

    One of two sides is going to occupy that land. My money's on the Jews--they're smarter, wealthier, and better fighters.

    The comment says to apply pressure to Israel, not to wave a stick.

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  88. @Yak-15
    I want to see a movie about a vulgar Mexican construction magnate named Eddie Guerrero joining a stuffy Germanic Jewish country club. Eddie brings in a Mariachi band during the Holocaust remembrance ceremony. He blows out the minora during Hanukah with a fart. He hosts a pig roast for the local Rabbi's birthday. Another time Eddie gives tequila to the Stuffy Rachel Goldberg daughter's Bat Mitvah because he thinks it's a Quinceañera and all the kids are vashnigyered!

    What's a rich Jew to do?!?

    The thing is, they’d know exactly what to do. Even in Hollywood, Jews aren’t stupid enough to fall for the diversity nonsense. That’s for other people. Friedman only brings it up as part of his pretend advice to Trump, which I’m not going to try to work out because it makes no sense.

    Also, he brings it up because in this case “discrimination” almost affected the One, who unlike Eddie Guerrero is a model non-Jew.

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  89. @Alfa158
    I've known a lot of Jews, Palestinians, and Muslims in general living in the US, including some who are immigrants from the Middle East. This is admittedly a small sample size of people who aren't on the actual firing line but:
    Most Jews support a two state solution, because that means there is still an Israel.
    I have yet to talk to a single, solitary Palestinian who would accept a permanent two state solution under any terms.
    Only a tiny fraction of Muslims in general would accept a two state solution, and then only as an interim step to a single state.
    Palestinians regard Israel as utterly illegitimate, and a toxic foreign body lodged in the Arab world. They intend to struggle until it is all Palestine from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The more moderate and Westernized ones indulge in the self-delusion that the new Palestine would be a secular state with a place for everyone, except whatever happens to the Zionists will be a bed they made for themselves.
    How anyone solves this historical dilemma; I have no more idea than anyone else.

    Paul Craig Roberts suggested we should just give American citizenship to the Israeli Jews and have them abandon the Middle East. I’d rather live in Westchester County than Israel myself.

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  90. Tom Friedman and David Brooks are unassimilated baby boomer Jews who don’t give a damn about the United States. Friedman and Brooks have only one nation in their heart. That nation is Israel.

    I don’t give a damn about Israel. Smart Israelis understand that Israel would not exist if it wasn’t supported by European Christian nation-states. Smart Israelis also understand that the Samson option has its concomitant corollary in other nuclear nations as well.

    Tom Friedman and David Brooks are Jews first and last. Friedman and Brooks push open borders mass immigration for all European Christian nation-states. Friedman and Brooks know that mass immigration will destroy the identity of these nation-states. This is precisely why these evil baby boomer demons push mass immigration.

    President Trump had Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu as his guest at the White House. Netanyahu had his own problems with illegal immigration and illegal infiltration of Israel.

    The regular Jews in South Tel Aviv were being swamped with illegal aliens of all sorts. Just like in the USA, the wealthy Israelis didn’t much care because they didn’t have to live near the infiltrator bastards. The regular Israelis of South Tel Aviv had to come close to rioting before the Israeli government removed the infiltrators and built a wall on the west and a fence in the south to regulate who can or cannot enter and live in Israel.

    Friedman and Brooks are just like the wealthy snob Israelis who didn’t give a damn about illegal infiltrators because THEY didn’t live next to them.

    Friedman and Brooks are two baby boomer Jews who push open borders mass immigration and multicultural mayhem. Friedman and Brooks can go straight to hell.

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  91. Can some classicist tell me where this quote came from:

    “Nero fiddled while Rome Burned”?

    I’ve got a similar one for now as our country descends in to Brazilian/Venezuelan/South African murder and mayhem while our political and media elites are obsessed with Golf.

    “Golfing while America burns to the ground”.

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    If Palestine is made its own country, why would any other Arab countries continue their subsidy? There would be no reason to. The donors can only been shaken down as long as the Palestinians are running their little “We’re poor little refugees so oppressed by the Jews,” racket. There are too many vested interests that will lose money and power to accept any sort of solution except for the messy situation that exists right now.

    The Palestinians are like blacks on welfare shaking down whitey (rich Gulf Arabs) for guilt money. You know how hard it is to get blacks en masse off welfare? Insanely difficult. It’ll be just as tough to change the parasitic-and-loving-it Palestinian situation.

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  93. M’thinks both the “powers that be” in the Israeli, Jewish diaspora, Arab, Saudi world want the Palestinian Arab nation to be in:

    Germany
    Sweden
    Michigan

    Jewish people have fond memories of Muslim Moorish Spain – it was a Golden age for the Jewish people. Then they got the boot and the Inquisition:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/08/26/spanish-history-lesson-when-jews-took-the-arab-muslim-side-against-white-europeans/

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  94. @AnotherDad

    I heard Friedman today on some radio interview clip. He was emotional and hysterical like a damsel in distress.
     
    Exactly. The guy comes across as a big drama queen. And not very bright. I'm sure he must have a decent IQ, and has acquired all sorts of "information", but he just doesn't seem to be very sharp or capable of parsing the world. He's perpetually excited about something and proclaiming it to be critical to the fate of the world. When in fact almost every thing he yammers about--like this Israel nonsense--is utterly uncritical to much of anything.

    he just doesn’t seem to be very sharp or capable of parsing the world

    Friedman is a puzzle to me. At the Harvard-heavy Times, he went to Brandeis. And as you’ve observed, forty years later he hasn’t narrowed his intelligence gap on the smart kids.

    The Times must know what it’s doing; maybe Friedman just has a lot of devoted middlebrow fans.

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  95. A “two-state solution” would be Israel for us, and maybe Saudi Arabia for the Arabs. Adding “Palestine” to the roster of existing Arab countries is more like a 23-state solution.

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    • Replies: @Opinionator
    How about a two-state solution that is Palestine for the Palestinians and Long Island for people who believe they are jewish? The American people can be compensated for the loss of Long Island through funding by wealthy Zionists (Zuckerberg, Brin, Soros, Saban, Adelson, Sandberg, etc.) and even zealous middle income Zionists.

    If the American people do not wish to part with Long Island, then a territory along the Mexican or Canadian borders might be considered. If the American people do not wish to part with any territory, a fund of the value of Long Island could probably induce another country (Asia, Africa, South America come to mind) to sell territory of comparable size.

  96. We just need to get all the Palestinians to “migrate” to Sweden. I know this would have been a nutty idea even five years ago, but now new precedents have been set what with all the Syrians and Afghanis and Africans heading thataway.

    Indeed if the Zeroth Amendment isn’t extended to apply to Palestinians, then pretty soon it’s going to become embarrassingly obvious that, alone among the world’s dysfunctional nations, they’ve been singled out for discrimination.

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    We just need to get all the Palestinians to “migrate” to Sweden. I know this would have been a nutty idea even five years ago, but now new precedents have been set what with all the Syrians and Afghanis and Africans heading thataway.

    That's not far off the current plan actually. The idea is to swap out Muslim Arabs from Israel/Palestine and surrounding regions--especially young Muslim Arab men and those of fighting age--into Europe and the rest of the West. The Jews are compensating the Arabs for the loss of Palestine by giving them land in Europe and the Anglosphere.
  97. @Opinionator
    Not at all insoluble. US and Europe simply need to apply real pressure.

    The US apply pressure to Israel! The Israel lobby runs the US gov. For example, nearly every congressman employs a foreign policy “expert” trained by AIPAC. Israel calls the shots.

    Take Trump. He has opposed the entrenched power structure on nearly every issue and has not been afraid to take everybody on and piss everyone off. With one exception – unconditional support for Israel. Trump knows just how far he can go, and which fights are winnable.

    The Israel lobby is in control for now and for the foreseeable future. And even Sailer doesn’t seem to care all that much.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Like Rupert Murdoch said, when asked why he backs neocons even though he doesn't care much about their pet issues: to make it in American you don't need all the Jews on your side, but you do need some.
    , @Sean
    There's more than one way to skin a cat. David Friedman--Trump's Vegas strategic insolvency specialist now appointed Ambassador to Israel--called liberal Jews Kapos, and raised money for West Bank settlements. This isn't any kind of establishment revolving door. To the contrary the appointment is shocking to most of the Lobby. Trump's empowerment of Iron Wall military Zionists is laying the basis for a moral bust-out of the Lobby. Israel is going to be weighed down with huge moral debts to Trump that it can never pay back, because he is going to give them far more than even their Lobby has dared ask for, thereby making it redundant and greatly reducing Jewish influence on immigration.
  98. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Jewish Logic:

    Save Jews by helping Jews push Muslims out of the Holy Land(and even Muslim lands like Syria)

    And

    Save Jews by helping Jews bring Muslims to the white gentile lands.

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  99. Friedman is an aspergy moron. Here is his take on the Jorg Haider phenomenon and his rise in Austrian politics.

    NY Times, Feb 8, 2000

    “Mr. Haider has promised to break this cartel for all those kept out of power — particularly the shopkeepers, peasants and workers left behind by modernization and immigration.”

    Get that. Shopkeepers, peasants and workers. Austria, year 2000. OK, oh, but he forgot to mention the Junkers and clergy and how they factor in the coalition. Anyway, I’m sure the “peasants” in Austria are quite content and have had no complaints at all for the past 100 years or so.

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  100. It’s kind of a low blow for anyone to call the Palestinians a “dysfunctional nation”. It was very clever of the Israelis to split them into two areas in 1947, don’t you think? Perhaps the Palestinians’ greatest mistake was not emigrating en mass to New York City in the late 19th Century and writing poems on the Statue of Liberty.

    The Lakota Sioux stuck out on the Pine Ridge Reservation with their food stamps, alcoholism, and domestic violence are a “dysfunctional nation”, too.

    Uncle Sam had a major share in the creation of both of these dysfunctional nations. Perhaps we should include Iraq, Libya and Ukraine, too.

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    It’s kind of a low blow for anyone to call the Palestinians a “dysfunctional nation”. It was very clever of the Israelis to split them into two areas in 1947, don’t you think?

    Right. And hold them under brutal military occupation for 50 years.

    And, perhaps most importantly, kill off, jail, or drive away the most talented of them, the best of their human capital.
  101. @Opinionator
    The Friedman doesn't give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.

    why should he? its not his tribe.

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  102. @International Jew
    A "two-state solution" would be Israel for us, and maybe Saudi Arabia for the Arabs. Adding "Palestine" to the roster of existing Arab countries is more like a 23-state solution.

    How about a two-state solution that is Palestine for the Palestinians and Long Island for people who believe they are jewish? The American people can be compensated for the loss of Long Island through funding by wealthy Zionists (Zuckerberg, Brin, Soros, Saban, Adelson, Sandberg, etc.) and even zealous middle income Zionists.

    If the American people do not wish to part with Long Island, then a territory along the Mexican or Canadian borders might be considered. If the American people do not wish to part with any territory, a fund of the value of Long Island could probably induce another country (Asia, Africa, South America come to mind) to sell territory of comparable size.

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    Do you really want millions more of us civilization destroyers right on your home continent?
    , @biz
    Do you really believe the stuff that you write? Soros is anti-Israel and funds anti-Israel pressure groups both above and below board. Zuckerberg has never uttered a statement or done anything to indicate that he is a Zionist or pro-Israel in any way.
  103. @FX Enderby
    The US apply pressure to Israel! The Israel lobby runs the US gov. For example, nearly every congressman employs a foreign policy "expert" trained by AIPAC. Israel calls the shots.

    Take Trump. He has opposed the entrenched power structure on nearly every issue and has not been afraid to take everybody on and piss everyone off. With one exception - unconditional support for Israel. Trump knows just how far he can go, and which fights are winnable.

    The Israel lobby is in control for now and for the foreseeable future. And even Sailer doesn't seem to care all that much.

    Like Rupert Murdoch said, when asked why he backs neocons even though he doesn’t care much about their pet issues: to make it in American you don’t need all the Jews on your side, but you do need some.

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  104. @International Jew
    We just need to get all the Palestinians to "migrate" to Sweden. I know this would have been a nutty idea even five years ago, but now new precedents have been set what with all the Syrians and Afghanis and Africans heading thataway.

    Indeed if the Zeroth Amendment isn't extended to apply to Palestinians, then pretty soon it's going to become embarrassingly obvious that, alone among the world's dysfunctional nations, they've been singled out for discrimination.

    We just need to get all the Palestinians to “migrate” to Sweden. I know this would have been a nutty idea even five years ago, but now new precedents have been set what with all the Syrians and Afghanis and Africans heading thataway.

    That’s not far off the current plan actually. The idea is to swap out Muslim Arabs from Israel/Palestine and surrounding regions–especially young Muslim Arab men and those of fighting age–into Europe and the rest of the West. The Jews are compensating the Arabs for the loss of Palestine by giving them land in Europe and the Anglosphere.

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  105. @Austrian
    Actually, Trump just made the Israel-Palestine conflict real interesting for the rest of us. He fielded the one-state solution.

    As far as settlements, I’d like to see you hold back on settlements for a little bit. We’ll work something out. But I would like to see a deal be made. I think a deal will be made. So I’m looking at two-state and one-state, and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like. I could live with either one. I thought for a while the two-state looked like it may be the easier of the two, but honestly, if Bibi and if the Palestinians, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best. The Israelis are going to have to show some flexibility, which is hard, it’s hard to do… I think the Palestinians have to get rid of some of that hate…
     
    Liberal Zionists claim that this is an act of dangerous, ill informed buffoonery by Trump and that the Arabs would never accept this anyway. Why wouldn't they? If they are smart, they would accept second class citizenship for Palestinians and play the long game of demographics and liberation. That's already their strategy for Europe.

    Radical Zionists are more interested in sacred land than in demographics. They believe their own propaganda. They are somewhat similar to cuckservatives who wanted amnesty with second class citizenship for illegals in the US. Zionists, unlike cuckservatives, are prepared to enforce Apartheid though.

    The real losers are the liberal Zionist diaspora. They get diversity and inclusion of Muslims ... in Israel. Most importantly for us, their "ethno-nationalism for us, but not for you" narrative faces collapse.

    Trump is playing 3d chess after all.

    Richard Spencer should seize this trolling opportunity and endorse the two-state solution as the only peaceful, demographically sound, ethno-nationalist option. That would be hilarious.

    The real losers are the liberal Zionist diaspora. They get diversity and inclusion of Muslims … in Israel. Most importantly for us, their “ethno-nationalism for us, but not for you” narrative faces collapse.

    The ‘but not for you” of the Diaspora would will assume terrifying proportions without a Jewish state in Israel, I am afraid it is both or neither. Friedman knows this , which is why and his ilk support the policies of Obama, which were aimed at eradicating ethno-nationalism in both Israel and the USA

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    Could you elaborate on this interesting comment?

    The ‘but not for you” of the Diaspora would will assume terrifying proportions without a Jewish state in Israel,

    What would assume terrifying proportions and in what form?

    I am afraid it is both or neither.

    Both of what or neither of what? Why?

    Friedman knows this , which is why and his ilk support the policies of Obama, which were aimed at eradicating ethno-nationalism in both Israel and the USA.

    Are you really asserting that Obama aimed to "eradicate ethno-nationalism" in Israel? Evidence please.
  106. One of two sides is going to occupy that land. My money’s on the Jews–they’re smarter, wealthier, and better fighters. they have diaspora Jewry (and thus, the USA) on their side.

    Israel would be toast without diaspora Jewry.

    A “two-state solution” would be Israel for us, and maybe Saudi Arabia for the Arabs. Adding “Palestine” to the roster of existing Arab countries is more like a 23-state solution.

    “The Amerinds had plenty of land north and south of the USA. To bitch about losing the territory that would become the USA is just greedy.”

    ~said no Jew, ever.

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    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    Israel would be toast without diaspora Jewry
    Israel has the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world with a stockpile of 300+ warheads. The planet might be toast if Israel feels its existence is threatened. It's a good thing that Jews are so famously level headed and not prone to neurotic paranoid fantasies of victimhood.
  107. Israel/Palestine? I ignore it on the grounds that everything reported about it is probably a lie.

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  108. @FX Enderby
    The US apply pressure to Israel! The Israel lobby runs the US gov. For example, nearly every congressman employs a foreign policy "expert" trained by AIPAC. Israel calls the shots.

    Take Trump. He has opposed the entrenched power structure on nearly every issue and has not been afraid to take everybody on and piss everyone off. With one exception - unconditional support for Israel. Trump knows just how far he can go, and which fights are winnable.

    The Israel lobby is in control for now and for the foreseeable future. And even Sailer doesn't seem to care all that much.

    There’s more than one way to skin a cat. David Friedman–Trump’s Vegas strategic insolvency specialist now appointed Ambassador to Israel–called liberal Jews Kapos, and raised money for West Bank settlements. This isn’t any kind of establishment revolving door. To the contrary the appointment is shocking to most of the Lobby. Trump’s empowerment of Iron Wall military Zionists is laying the basis for a moral bust-out of the Lobby. Israel is going to be weighed down with huge moral debts to Trump that it can never pay back, because he is going to give them far more than even their Lobby has dared ask for, thereby making it redundant and greatly reducing Jewish influence on immigration.

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  109. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    It's kind of a low blow for anyone to call the Palestinians a "dysfunctional nation". It was very clever of the Israelis to split them into two areas in 1947, don't you think? Perhaps the Palestinians' greatest mistake was not emigrating en mass to New York City in the late 19th Century and writing poems on the Statue of Liberty.

    The Lakota Sioux stuck out on the Pine Ridge Reservation with their food stamps, alcoholism, and domestic violence are a "dysfunctional nation", too.

    Uncle Sam had a major share in the creation of both of these dysfunctional nations. Perhaps we should include Iraq, Libya and Ukraine, too.

    It’s kind of a low blow for anyone to call the Palestinians a “dysfunctional nation”. It was very clever of the Israelis to split them into two areas in 1947, don’t you think?

    Right. And hold them under brutal military occupation for 50 years.

    And, perhaps most importantly, kill off, jail, or drive away the most talented of them, the best of their human capital.

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  110. @Opinionator
    The Friedman doesn't give a crap about the suffering and oppression of the Palestinians. For shame.

    Why haven’t all the “suffering” and “oppressed” Palestinians moved back to Jordan?

    The Palestinans all had Jordanian passports until 2000 when it was decided that this practice didn’t play well with the “Palestinian” narrative.

    Surely Jordan would be thrilled to welcome its sober, hardworking sisters and brothers from west of the Jordan back into the fold. No?

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    Why should they surrender their home to interlopers?
  111. @Sean

    The real losers are the liberal Zionist diaspora. They get diversity and inclusion of Muslims … in Israel. Most importantly for us, their “ethno-nationalism for us, but not for you” narrative faces collapse.
     
    The 'but not for you” of the Diaspora would will assume terrifying proportions without a Jewish state in Israel, I am afraid it is both or neither. Friedman knows this , which is why and his ilk support the policies of Obama, which were aimed at eradicating ethno-nationalism in both Israel and the USA

    Could you elaborate on this interesting comment?

    The ‘but not for you” of the Diaspora would will assume terrifying proportions without a Jewish state in Israel,

    What would assume terrifying proportions and in what form?

    I am afraid it is both or neither.

    Both of what or neither of what? Why?

    Friedman knows this , which is why and his ilk support the policies of Obama, which were aimed at eradicating ethno-nationalism in both Israel and the USA.

    Are you really asserting that Obama aimed to “eradicate ethno-nationalism” in Israel? Evidence please.

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    I do indeed assert that Obama/ Clinton aimed to implement the declaired aim of US policy in to “eradicate ethno-nationalism” in Israel. and Ehud Barak made clear that the path the US has in mind for Israel would be the end for Israel, and so would an indefinite continuation of the occupation of the West Bank.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Barak#Prime_Minister_of_Israel
    The Barak government resumed peace negotiations with the PLO, stating that "Every attempt [by the State of Israel] to keep hold of this area [the West Bank and Gaza] as one political entity leads, necessarily, to either a nondemocratic or a non-Jewish state. Because if the Palestinians vote, then it is a binational state, and if they don't vote it is an apartheid state."
     

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/interferes-politics-scandal/
    Chuck Schumer said he was torn between a Jewish interest and the American interest, before voting against the president, and he paid no political/reputational price for it; while President Obama said that it would be an “abrogation” of his constitutional duty if he considered Israel’s interest ahead of the U.S.; for which Obama was called an anti-semite. [..] Netanyahu’s speeches to Congress were written by Gary Ginsberg, an executive at another media company, Time Warner, but hey, that’s not an issue. Four New York Times reporters have had children serve in the Israeli army. One of them is columnist David Brooks, who says that he gets gooey-eyed when he visits Israel. He is one of several Zionists with columns at the Times. Tom Friedman justified the Iraq War because suicide bombers were going into Tel Aviv pizza parlors. (Huh?) Yesterday Martin Indyk said on National Public Radio that Jared Kushner’s strong Jewish background was an asset for his being a Middle East mediator, a job that Aaron David Miller, who also has a strong Jewish background, defined as being Israel’s lawyer. Indyk, himself a mediator, started a pro-Israel thinktank with Haim Saban, an Israeli-American who was Clinton’s biggest funder and who lately smeared Keith Ellison at a giant gathering at Brookings, which he also helps fund, as “clearly an anti-semite” and “anti-Israel;” and Jake Tapper of CNN moved on to the next question, presumably because smearing a public official in that manner is not news. Saban is also chummy with Jeffrey Goldberg, one of whose qualifications for being the best journalist in his generation, according to the Atlantic’s publisher, is that he served in the Israeli Defense Forces, because he felt that America was unsafe for Jews
     
    All these members of the Lobby have no intention of moving to Israel, ever; and for all I know they are only screaming about their loyalty to Israel because it is good, very good, for their career. But you can be absolutely certain that if Israel was forced to give back the West Bank in line with official US policy, the wider community that the Lobby draws on would subject Western society to a hostile critique an order of magnitude more intense that anything seen so far. Tom Friedman's casuistry shows the power of even the most strained "save the Jews" arguments. But, if Trump actually did save them from the current bipartisan US policy spelling doom for the Jewish state in the foreseeable future, then they would cut us some slack. Hence both or neither.
  112. @Svigor

    One of two sides is going to occupy that land. My money’s on the Jews–they’re smarter, wealthier, and better fighters. they have diaspora Jewry (and thus, the USA) on their side.
     
    Israel would be toast without diaspora Jewry.

    A “two-state solution” would be Israel for us, and maybe Saudi Arabia for the Arabs. Adding “Palestine” to the roster of existing Arab countries is more like a 23-state solution.
     
    "The Amerinds had plenty of land north and south of the USA. To bitch about losing the territory that would become the USA is just greedy."

    ~said no Jew, ever.

    Israel would be toast without diaspora Jewry
    Israel has the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world with a stockpile of 300+ warheads. The planet might be toast if Israel feels its existence is threatened. It’s a good thing that Jews are so famously level headed and not prone to neurotic paranoid fantasies of victimhood.

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    The planet might be toast if Israel feels its existence is threatened.
     
    quite - and given that the banking mafia mainstream anti-semitism on a roughly 80 year cycle and globalization ensures the next time will be the first time they generate anti-semitism globally we're rushing towards a Fermi Paradox moment
  113. @Eagle Eye
    Why haven't all the "suffering" and "oppressed" Palestinians moved back to Jordan?

    The Palestinans all had Jordanian passports until 2000 when it was decided that this practice didn't play well with the "Palestinian" narrative.

    Surely Jordan would be thrilled to welcome its sober, hardworking sisters and brothers from west of the Jordan back into the fold. No?

    Why should they surrender their home to interlopers?

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  114. @JimB
    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character. Sorry, but that boat already sailed. Intermarriage has diluted Jewish character heavily across the globe. High IQ liberal Jews either drank their own diversity koolaid (and married exotic women as did Mark Zuckerburg) or Jewish men decided they could no longer tolerate living with nagging Jewish women (and married shiksas as did Mel Brooks). Either way, full blood Jewish people who can trace all their grandparents back to the shtetls have become much more rare since the 1960s.

    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won’t change America’s democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel’s Jewish character.

    Palestinian Muslims have killed thousands of Israeli civilians in terror attacks since Israel’s independence in 1948. Scale it up to the American population, and we’re talking hundreds of thousands of dead Americans. This is on top of the run-of-the-mill murders committed by the Muslim Arab population and the 20,000 dead Israeli regular/reservist troops due to either Arab terror attacks, wars related to deterring further attacks or existential* wars against neighboring Arab states. Why would Israel let in a demographic that ran up this death toll and is literally committed to the extermination of the Jewish people in Israel?

    * True existential wars, where the price of losing and being overrun was physical extermination, i.e. nothing like the Global War on Terror, where not prosecuting the war merely means more large-scale terror attacks on American soil.

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    "where not prosecuting the war merely means more large-scale terror attacks on American soil"

    More likely less, especially if we could spend a fraction of the fortune we throw away overseas on protector the homeland.
  115. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't read Tom Friedman, so I have to ask if he ever explains what he means by "Russia hacked our election." Does he wish to imply that Russia actually hacked into voting machines and changed vote counts? Because we know that's not true. If he means that the Russians exposed some information about the shenanigans of the DNC and that influenced the results, that's dubious. The opposition media barely covered the Wikileaks revelations. Did they really change anyone's minds?

    Furthermore, Trump was campaigning against the headwinds of Hillary's far larger campaign war chest, Hillary's support from the mainstream media including the debate moderators, Hillary's support from the entire entertainment industry, and the Republican establishment's being lukewarm to openly hostile to him.

    Against this, Friedman feels those hacked emails made all the difference?

    I don’t read Freidman either but I’m sure that he is implying that Russia “hacked” the election by actually changing the voting results. The media and the Left (but I repeat myself) have been talking about Russia hacking the election from the beginning . They don’t say that emails were hacked. They always say that the election was hacked. They are certainly trying to create the impression to those who either don’t know better or believe because they want to believe that Russia actually changed votes.

    Someone hacked emails. That’s it. Maybe it was Russia and maybe it wasn’t. But why are we supposed to hold it against Trump that his political opponents are morons? [Rhetorical question. Yes, I know why]. Hillary, the DNC, etc. weren’t aware that foreign governments would try to spy on them? Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State and she didn’t know how this works?

    The Russians (maybe) spied on us! Who knew? It’s not like the Russians have ever spied on us before. This doesn’t reflect poorly on Trump. It reflects poorly on Hillary and the Democrats. They’re obviously not competent to handle foreign policy.

    Hillary Clinton was First Lady, U.S. Senator, serious presidential candidate (when she ran against Obama), Secretary of State, and finally Democratic presidential nominee. Its not like she came out of nowhere and suddenly rose to political prominence. She spent most of her adult life crafting her political image so that she could be president. She didn’t have enough sense to use the best possible cyber security and not say anything incriminating in emails?

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  116. @Gabriel M

    Just last week, Netanyahu’s government pushed through the Knesset a shameful new law declaring that wildcat Jewish settlers who had illegally set up caravans on private West Bank Palestinian land, and erected their own settlement there, will have their settlements legalized, although the Palestinian landowners have to be compensated.
     
    This is actually a straight lie. Recently, the town of Amona was destroyed because it was found that one house in the entire town was on land owned by an Arab. Bizarrely, they can't even find the Arab in question, but an EU funded NGO dug up some deeds showing that the house in on land that was given out to various Palestinian tribal chiefs by Jordan 1948-1967. So the Supreme Court ordered the entire settlement to be knocked down. You can't do anything about the Supreme Court using its discretionary power in crazy ways like this because it appoints its own members, so the Kenesset passed a law giving it zero room for discretionary power, ensuring that eminent domain powers will be used in future cases of this sort. (In all likelihood the Supreme Court will find a way to strike down the law so it's pretty moot).

    Ordinarily I wouldn’t respond to a Jew troll , but really this is too much . You think you can show up here when the hasbara alarm goes off and cut and paste the usual boilerplate BS ? The Jew used it’s influence in the west , first in GB then in the US to promote it’s own interests at the expense of the host . You , your people dragged us into the First world war to further your own interests to steal the land of the backwards Arab peasants to create a Jew nest . Since the f**king stooge Woodrow Wilson appointed the progressive Communist Louis Brandeis to the supreme court , this country has been dragged down to multiculturalist hell . It’s you , The Jews and their progressive stooges on the Court like Earl Warren that have pushed this agenda to destroy the USA . Here you Hebrews clamor for “justice” for the Browns , the fags and now your bitterest enemies the Muzzies . Fool , you have become so bold and foolish now that you endorse the destruction of your only “friend” . Well , I am not your friend and I can imagine no greater joy than seeing you all leave through the chimney .

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  117. @Johann Ricke

    I see, so allowing large populations of anti Democratic third world people to put down roots in the US won't change America's democratic character but allowing Palestinian Muslims to settle in Israel will ruin Israel's Jewish character.
     
    Palestinian Muslims have killed thousands of Israeli civilians in terror attacks since Israel's independence in 1948. Scale it up to the American population, and we're talking hundreds of thousands of dead Americans. This is on top of the run-of-the-mill murders committed by the Muslim Arab population and the 20,000 dead Israeli regular/reservist troops due to either Arab terror attacks, wars related to deterring further attacks or existential* wars against neighboring Arab states. Why would Israel let in a demographic that ran up this death toll and is literally committed to the extermination of the Jewish people in Israel?

    * True existential wars, where the price of losing and being overrun was physical extermination, i.e. nothing like the Global War on Terror, where not prosecuting the war merely means more large-scale terror attacks on American soil.

    “where not prosecuting the war merely means more large-scale terror attacks on American soil”

    More likely less, especially if we could spend a fraction of the fortune we throw away overseas on protector the homeland.

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  118. @Federalist
    I don't read Freidman either but I'm sure that he is implying that Russia "hacked" the election by actually changing the voting results. The media and the Left (but I repeat myself) have been talking about Russia hacking the election from the beginning . They don't say that emails were hacked. They always say that the election was hacked. They are certainly trying to create the impression to those who either don't know better or believe because they want to believe that Russia actually changed votes.

    Someone hacked emails. That's it. Maybe it was Russia and maybe it wasn't. But why are we supposed to hold it against Trump that his political opponents are morons? [Rhetorical question. Yes, I know why]. Hillary, the DNC, etc. weren't aware that foreign governments would try to spy on them? Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State and she didn't know how this works?

    The Russians (maybe) spied on us! Who knew? It's not like the Russians have ever spied on us before. This doesn't reflect poorly on Trump. It reflects poorly on Hillary and the Democrats. They're obviously not competent to handle foreign policy.

    Hillary Clinton was First Lady, U.S. Senator, serious presidential candidate (when she ran against Obama), Secretary of State, and finally Democratic presidential nominee. Its not like she came out of nowhere and suddenly rose to political prominence. She spent most of her adult life crafting her political image so that she could be president. She didn't have enough sense to use the best possible cyber security and not say anything incriminating in emails?

    You nailed it. Well said.

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    @FX Enderby
    Israel would be toast without diaspora Jewry
    Israel has the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world with a stockpile of 300+ warheads. The planet might be toast if Israel feels its existence is threatened. It's a good thing that Jews are so famously level headed and not prone to neurotic paranoid fantasies of victimhood.

    The planet might be toast if Israel feels its existence is threatened.

    quite – and given that the banking mafia mainstream anti-semitism on a roughly 80 year cycle and globalization ensures the next time will be the first time they generate anti-semitism globally we’re rushing towards a Fermi Paradox moment

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  120. @Opinionator
    Could you elaborate on this interesting comment?

    The ‘but not for you” of the Diaspora would will assume terrifying proportions without a Jewish state in Israel,

    What would assume terrifying proportions and in what form?

    I am afraid it is both or neither.

    Both of what or neither of what? Why?

    Friedman knows this , which is why and his ilk support the policies of Obama, which were aimed at eradicating ethno-nationalism in both Israel and the USA.

    Are you really asserting that Obama aimed to "eradicate ethno-nationalism" in Israel? Evidence please.

    I do indeed assert that Obama/ Clinton aimed to implement the declaired aim of US policy in to “eradicate ethno-nationalism” in Israel. and Ehud Barak made clear that the path the US has in mind for Israel would be the end for Israel, and so would an indefinite continuation of the occupation of the West Bank.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehud_Barak#Prime_Minister_of_Israel
    The Barak government resumed peace negotiations with the PLO, stating that “Every attempt [by the State of Israel] to keep hold of this area [the West Bank and Gaza] as one political entity leads, necessarily, to either a nondemocratic or a non-Jewish state. Because if the Palestinians vote, then it is a binational state, and if they don’t vote it is an apartheid state.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/interferes-politics-scandal/
    Chuck Schumer said he was torn between a Jewish interest and the American interest, before voting against the president, and he paid no political/reputational price for it; while President Obama said that it would be an “abrogation” of his constitutional duty if he considered Israel’s interest ahead of the U.S.; for which Obama was called an anti-semite. [..] Netanyahu’s speeches to Congress were written by Gary Ginsberg, an executive at another media company, Time Warner, but hey, that’s not an issue. Four New York Times reporters have had children serve in the Israeli army. One of them is columnist David Brooks, who says that he gets gooey-eyed when he visits Israel. He is one of several Zionists with columns at the Times. Tom Friedman justified the Iraq War because suicide bombers were going into Tel Aviv pizza parlors. (Huh?) Yesterday Martin Indyk said on National Public Radio that Jared Kushner’s strong Jewish background was an asset for his being a Middle East mediator, a job that Aaron David Miller, who also has a strong Jewish background, defined as being Israel’s lawyer. Indyk, himself a mediator, started a pro-Israel thinktank with Haim Saban, an Israeli-American who was Clinton’s biggest funder and who lately smeared Keith Ellison at a giant gathering at Brookings, which he also helps fund, as “clearly an anti-semite” and “anti-Israel;” and Jake Tapper of CNN moved on to the next question, presumably because smearing a public official in that manner is not news. Saban is also chummy with Jeffrey Goldberg, one of whose qualifications for being the best journalist in his generation, according to the Atlantic’s publisher, is that he served in the Israeli Defense Forces, because he felt that America was unsafe for Jews

    All these members of the Lobby have no intention of moving to Israel, ever; and for all I know they are only screaming about their loyalty to Israel because it is good, very good, for their career. But you can be absolutely certain that if Israel was forced to give back the West Bank in line with official US policy, the wider community that the Lobby draws on would subject Western society to a hostile critique an order of magnitude more intense that anything seen so far. Tom Friedman’s casuistry shows the power of even the most strained “save the Jews” arguments. But, if Trump actually did save them from the current bipartisan US policy spelling doom for the Jewish state in the foreseeable future, then they would cut us some slack. Hence both or neither.

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  121. If Palestine is made its own country, why would any other Arab countries continue their subsidy? There would be no reason to. The donors can only been shaken down as long as the Palestinians are running their little “We’re poor little refugees so oppressed by the Jews,” racket.

    It’s funny how often Zionists sound like White Nationalists (funny because of which side diaspora Jewry is on, and which side it isn’t on, I mean): “if blacks gained independence, the white money flow would stop. Blacks can only shake down YT as long as they’re running their little “we’re poor little blacks oppressed by whites” racket.” Whenever I run the latter by diaspora Jews, their heads explode.

    The Palestinians are like blacks on welfare shaking down whitey (rich Gulf Arabs) for guilt money. You know how hard it is to get blacks en masse off welfare? Insanely difficult. It’ll be just as tough to change the parasitic-and-loving-it Palestinian situation.

    I should’ve kept reading, lol. Run that paragraph by your diaspora Jewish friends and see how they like it.

    The Lakota Sioux stuck out on the Pine Ridge Reservation with their food stamps, alcoholism, and domestic violence are a “dysfunctional nation”, too.

    For which the Pawnee (among many other tribes) thank the Great Spirit every day.

    Why haven’t all the “suffering” and “oppressed” Palestinians moved back to Jordan?

    The Palestinans all had Jordanian passports until 2000 when it was decided that this practice didn’t play well with the “Palestinian” narrative.

    Surely Jordan would be thrilled to welcome its sober, hardworking sisters and brothers from west of the Jordan back into the fold. No?

    Why not say the same about diaspora Jewry and Israel?

    Palestinian Muslims have killed thousands of Israeli civilians in terror attacks since Israel’s independence in 1948. Scale it up to the American population, and we’re talking hundreds of thousands of dead Americans. This is on top of the run-of-the-mill murders committed by the Muslim Arab population and the 20,000 dead Israeli regular/reservist troops due to either Arab terror attacks, wars related to deterring further attacks or existential* wars against neighboring Arab states. Why would Israel let in a demographic that ran up this death toll and is literally committed to the extermination of the Jewish people in Israel?

    Run the math, sure. Then multiply it by, what – 100? Then you have what the Jews have inflicted on the Palestinians. Why would the Palestinians tolerate a demographic that is even more literally committed to the extermination of the Palestinian people?

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    Run the math, sure. Then multiply it by, what – 100? Then you have what the Jews have inflicted on the Palestinians.
     
    Except you are making shit up.
  122. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Olorin
    This would be John Schindler, former NSA spook, who had to leave his Naval War College professorship after being caught with a bad case of Weineritis.

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/

    ("Penis photo flap" is an interesting phrase.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666319/Navy-college-professor-placed-leave-photo.html

    Apparently the "vixen" tried to take the fall for him:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2668736/Woman-outed-married-U-S-Naval-War-College-professor-sent-nude-photo-says-regrets-going-public-allegations.html

    Yep, that there's some high quality IC we got passing judgment on Team Trump, the President, and his voters.

    “His alleged penis” is a cringe-inducing description; the “penis photo flap” people either have a weird sense of humour or a flawed sense of language use.

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  123. @Opinionator
    How about a two-state solution that is Palestine for the Palestinians and Long Island for people who believe they are jewish? The American people can be compensated for the loss of Long Island through funding by wealthy Zionists (Zuckerberg, Brin, Soros, Saban, Adelson, Sandberg, etc.) and even zealous middle income Zionists.

    If the American people do not wish to part with Long Island, then a territory along the Mexican or Canadian borders might be considered. If the American people do not wish to part with any territory, a fund of the value of Long Island could probably induce another country (Asia, Africa, South America come to mind) to sell territory of comparable size.

    Do you really want millions more of us civilization destroyers right on your home continent?

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    Perhaps a better question is whether you really want live amid Gentiles. Why not purchase Hawaii, where you can enjoy natural protection on all sides from intermarriage with the goyim?
  124. @biz
    Friedman is wrong (no surprise) about the two-state solution. It is far from the only option that would preserve Israel as a Jewish majority and democratic state. Other, possibly better, alternatives include:

    1) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank which contains almost all of the Jews ("settlers" in the biased language of the MSM) but only a handful of Arabs. The rest of the West Bank unites with Gaza or forms its own state. This is 'two state lite' and solves the supposedly awful, awful problem of Palestinian Arabs having Jews living in their territory.

    2) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank. The rest of the West Bank reunites with Jordan (it was part of Jordan from 1948-1967) and Gaza reunites with Egypt (same). This makes the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza citizens of large, relatively stable Arab states that are all at peace with Israel. Three state solution.

    3) The Emirates plan. Scholars have noted that Arab countries do not do well when combining different tribal and familial groups. On the other hand, emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous (oil helps, of course). The West Bank should be divided into seven emirates, to be ruled by the dominant family of each region. Gaza would be an eighth emirate, ruled by Hamas for the time being.

    The main obstacle to the media and individuals understanding that there are good alternatives out there is that people have been propagandized by the fiction that Palestinian Arabs are a distinct, coherent people and therefore absolutely need one state. That is simply not the case. The Palestinian identity was invented in the 1970s. Before that, no Arab considered themselves to be a "Palestinian," other than a political status.

    62 biz > emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous

    I’ve spent a lot more time living in and strolling around working-class Bahraini neighborhoods than you have, and I disagree. Once you get over, oh, 10-11% Shi-ite, you’re in for a continuous roller-coaster ride, habibi.

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  125. @biz
    Friedman is wrong (no surprise) about the two-state solution. It is far from the only option that would preserve Israel as a Jewish majority and democratic state. Other, possibly better, alternatives include:

    1) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank which contains almost all of the Jews ("settlers" in the biased language of the MSM) but only a handful of Arabs. The rest of the West Bank unites with Gaza or forms its own state. This is 'two state lite' and solves the supposedly awful, awful problem of Palestinian Arabs having Jews living in their territory.

    2) Israel annexes Area C of the West Bank. The rest of the West Bank reunites with Jordan (it was part of Jordan from 1948-1967) and Gaza reunites with Egypt (same). This makes the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza citizens of large, relatively stable Arab states that are all at peace with Israel. Three state solution.

    3) The Emirates plan. Scholars have noted that Arab countries do not do well when combining different tribal and familial groups. On the other hand, emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous (oil helps, of course). The West Bank should be divided into seven emirates, to be ruled by the dominant family of each region. Gaza would be an eighth emirate, ruled by Hamas for the time being.

    The main obstacle to the media and individuals understanding that there are good alternatives out there is that people have been propagandized by the fiction that Palestinian Arabs are a distinct, coherent people and therefore absolutely need one state. That is simply not the case. The Palestinian identity was invented in the 1970s. Before that, no Arab considered themselves to be a "Palestinian," other than a political status.

    62 biz > emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous

    I’ve spent a lot more time living in and strolling around working-class Bahraini neighborhoods than you have, and I disagree. Once you get over, oh, 10-11% Shi-ite, you’re in for a continuous roller-coaster ride, habibi.

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    Oh yeah, no disagreement there. But the hypethetical Arab emirates in the West Bank and Gaza would have hardly any shia.
  126. @Opinionator
    How about a two-state solution that is Palestine for the Palestinians and Long Island for people who believe they are jewish? The American people can be compensated for the loss of Long Island through funding by wealthy Zionists (Zuckerberg, Brin, Soros, Saban, Adelson, Sandberg, etc.) and even zealous middle income Zionists.

    If the American people do not wish to part with Long Island, then a territory along the Mexican or Canadian borders might be considered. If the American people do not wish to part with any territory, a fund of the value of Long Island could probably induce another country (Asia, Africa, South America come to mind) to sell territory of comparable size.

    Do you really believe the stuff that you write? Soros is anti-Israel and funds anti-Israel pressure groups both above and below board. Zuckerberg has never uttered a statement or done anything to indicate that he is a Zionist or pro-Israel in any way.

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  127. @Karl
    62 biz > emirates based on one local dominant clan such as Qatar and the UAE countries are stable and prosperous



    I've spent a lot more time living in and strolling around working-class Bahraini neighborhoods than you have, and I disagree. Once you get over, oh, 10-11% Shi-ite, you're in for a continuous roller-coaster ride, habibi.

    Oh yeah, no disagreement there. But the hypethetical Arab emirates in the West Bank and Gaza would have hardly any shia.

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  128. From an April 2003 Haaretz article:

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

    All one has to do is to change Iraq with Libya, then Syria and this news story stays current. What Tom Friedman finds funny about that war–Iraq–that makes him laugh is beyond me.
    Maybe if Mr. Friedman were to experience first-hand the sheer terror of fleeing from artillery shells falling down around him or smart bombs raining down from the sky, with no safe place left to run, and roving, armed psychopathic gangs, who shoot anything that moves, maybe if Tommie were to ‘enjoy’ that not as a well-paid spectator but as an unwilling participant, maybe then he wouldn’t think it so funny?

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  129. @International Jew
    Do you really want millions more of us civilization destroyers right on your home continent?

    Perhaps a better question is whether you really want live amid Gentiles. Why not purchase Hawaii, where you can enjoy natural protection on all sides from intermarriage with the goyim?

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    Are there any groups that own an American island?

    There's one small Hawaiian island that's a plantation owned by Yankees that has had a general policy of keeping out non-Native Hawaiian workers. That's the closest thing I can think of.

  130. […] also:  “Tom Friedman: “President Trump, Will You Save the Jews?””.  “Washington Post: […]

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  131. @Opinionator
    Perhaps a better question is whether you really want live amid Gentiles. Why not purchase Hawaii, where you can enjoy natural protection on all sides from intermarriage with the goyim?

    Are there any groups that own an American island?

    There’s one small Hawaiian island that’s a plantation owned by Yankees that has had a general policy of keeping out non-Native Hawaiian workers. That’s the closest thing I can think of.

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  132. All one has to do is to change Iraq with Libya, then Syria and this news story stays current.

    Except that’s … not true. If Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer have as much to do with the situation in Syria and Libya as you do.

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  133. @Svigor

    If Palestine is made its own country, why would any other Arab countries continue their subsidy? There would be no reason to. The donors can only been shaken down as long as the Palestinians are running their little “We’re poor little refugees so oppressed by the Jews,” racket.
     
    It's funny how often Zionists sound like White Nationalists (funny because of which side diaspora Jewry is on, and which side it isn't on, I mean): "if blacks gained independence, the white money flow would stop. Blacks can only shake down YT as long as they're running their little "we're poor little blacks oppressed by whites" racket." Whenever I run the latter by diaspora Jews, their heads explode.

    The Palestinians are like blacks on welfare shaking down whitey (rich Gulf Arabs) for guilt money. You know how hard it is to get blacks en masse off welfare? Insanely difficult. It’ll be just as tough to change the parasitic-and-loving-it Palestinian situation.
     
    I should've kept reading, lol. Run that paragraph by your diaspora Jewish friends and see how they like it.

    The Lakota Sioux stuck out on the Pine Ridge Reservation with their food stamps, alcoholism, and domestic violence are a “dysfunctional nation”, too.
     
    For which the Pawnee (among many other tribes) thank the Great Spirit every day.

    Why haven’t all the “suffering” and “oppressed” Palestinians moved back to Jordan?

    The Palestinans all had Jordanian passports until 2000 when it was decided that this practice didn’t play well with the “Palestinian” narrative.

    Surely Jordan would be thrilled to welcome its sober, hardworking sisters and brothers from west of the Jordan back into the fold. No?
     
    Why not say the same about diaspora Jewry and Israel?

    Palestinian Muslims have killed thousands of Israeli civilians in terror attacks since Israel’s independence in 1948. Scale it up to the American population, and we’re talking hundreds of thousands of dead Americans. This is on top of the run-of-the-mill murders committed by the Muslim Arab population and the 20,000 dead Israeli regular/reservist troops due to either Arab terror attacks, wars related to deterring further attacks or existential* wars against neighboring Arab states. Why would Israel let in a demographic that ran up this death toll and is literally committed to the extermination of the Jewish people in Israel?
     
    Run the math, sure. Then multiply it by, what - 100? Then you have what the Jews have inflicted on the Palestinians. Why would the Palestinians tolerate a demographic that is even more literally committed to the extermination of the Palestinian people?

    Run the math, sure. Then multiply it by, what – 100? Then you have what the Jews have inflicted on the Palestinians.

    Except you are making shit up.

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  134. @anon
    Jews are insane because they lived as a minority for so long.

    "not natural" as my gran used to say

    But they do not go around chopping off people’s heads. They blend in but keep their faith. Gotta respect them for that.

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