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When an airliner crashes, the federally funded but independent Transportation Safety Review Board conducts an investigation and issues a report in the hopes of lessening the chances of a similar disaster in the future. We need an Immigration Safety Review Board to investigate egregious examples of our immigration system not working for the benefit of American citizens, such as: Why is Shahed Hussain in our country?

From Fox News:

FBI informant listed as owner of limousine in deadly New York crash

The owner of the limousine involved in a crash that killed 20 people in upstate New York over the weekend was a wire-wearing informant in two FBI terrorism stings, Fox News has learned.

The government credited Shahed Hussain with rooting out radical Muslims at mosques in the New York cities of Newburgh and Albany while he was working as a well-paid FBI snitch.

Hussain is listed as the owner of Prestige Limousine, which operated the 2001 Ford Excursion stretch limo that crashed Saturday in Schoharie, N.Y., according to federal records, which showed that four vehicles had been taken out of circulation by the company due to inspection failures in the past 24 months.

The records list an address in Gansevoort, N.Y., that Hussain used when he filed for bankruptcy in Albany in 2003.

The limousine was carrying 18 people when it blew a stop sign and crashed into a parked vehicle and two people at a county store. Everyone in the limo was killed.

Valerie Abeling told The Washington Post that before the crash her daughter received a text message from her cousin Erin Vertucci, one of the victims, saying that limousine “appeared in terrible condition.” Vertucci’s new husband Shane McGowan was also killed.

And so the man most often forecasted over the last 30 years to die any moment now of substance abuse, the lead singer of The Pogues, Shane MacGowan, finally dies … in a limo crash.

Irony.

Oh, wait … sorry. My mistake. My apologies to the McGowan family.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday that the limousine driver didn’t have an appropriate license to operate the vehicle.

He also told reporters that the limo also failed an inspection last month conducted by the New York State Department of Motor Vehicle.

“The owner of the company had no business putting a failed vehicle on the road,” Cuomo said. “Prestige has a lot of questions to answer.” …

Hussain became an FBI informant after being convicted of federal fraud charges in 2002 in Albany, according to the Albany Times Union. He was taking payments from immigrants, some of whom could not read English, in a scheme to cheat on state exams to obtain driver’s licenses.

As part of one of the FBI stings, Albany imam Yassin Aref and an acquaintance who owned a pizza shop were accused of laundering money for Hussain in connection with a fictitious terror plot, the paper reported.

They were convicted in 2006 and both sentenced to 15 years in federal prison.

Hussain reemerged as an FBI informant in 2009, when four Newburgh men were charged with conspiring to plant explosives outside two Bronx synagogues. Hussain befriended one of the men at a Newburgh mosque while posing as a wealthy businessman and then met the other three before implicating all of them them in the terror plot.

The foiled terror plot was trumpeted as a “textbook example of how a major investigation should be conducted” by then-Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, the New York Post reported.

However, during the trial Hussain’s truthfulness became a big issue.

In one instance, he testified about receiving substantial sums of money from a family trust in Pakistan during the pendency of the New York bankruptcy case.

He admitted under questioning that he had not disclosed the existence of the trust or the income he received to the Bankruptcy Court or his creditors.

The “Newburgh Four” were convicted and each was sentenced to 25 years in prison but New York federal court judge Colleen McMahon questioned Hussain’s honesty and the FBI’s tactics.

“I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition,” she said. “That does not mean there was no crime.”

In Mr. Hussain’s career as an agent provocateur, have any of the terrorism schemes he’s lured moronic dupes into ever come to violent fruition?

 
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  1. prosa123 says: • Website

    Stretch limousines do not fare well in crashes. The conversion process leaves them with weak body structures.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  2. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT NPR story about Chinese train in Kenya lets slip internal Kenyan discussion about culture and work ethic. Some Kenyans don’t want to work like a Chinese no matter what overall sacrifice that might mean, others point to Chinese round-the-clock industriousness as the basis of Chinese success.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/08/641625157/a-new-chinese-funded-railway-in-kenya-sparks-debt-trap-fears

    Paul Gichango, a marketing executive, says Kenyans can learn something from the Chinese. They built nearly 300 miles of rail ahead of schedule. He says when he would drive past the construction site in Nairobi, he saw the Chinese working nonstop. They’d start at 6 a.m. and work until 7 at night.
    It’s a culture that turned a poor country into an industrial powerhouse, he says, and Kenyans would be wise to pay attention.

    But as he talks, Faith Kidullah, a lawyer sitting right next to him, interrupts.
    “We are not interested in [Chinese] culture,” she says. “We brought these people here for their technology. So they should just bring us the technology. They can just remain with their own culture.”

    That’s almost perfectly the “give a man a fish” aphorism, but inside out.

    Either way, Gichango is unmoved. Kenyans like to talk, he says; they like to take breaks. Chinese are not like that.
    “There is no idle time, that element of [no wasted time] is what I admire very much,” he says.
    And as he says that, a woman sitting across the aisle jumps in.
    “This guy is colonized,” she shouts dismissively.

    Got that? The guy who doesn’t want to be dependent on stronger overseas governments is the one who is colonized.

    But the best part is here:

    The [Kenyan] media also raised questions about how costly this project had been and how Kenya may not be able to repay the Chinese.

    Maybe the lord will die before the elephant learns Mandarin.

  3. Payback against the informer?

  4. @prosa123

    And nobody wears a seat belt because hey, limo.

    Darn you, Steve. You had me going about McGowan.

    McGowan must have found out it’s harder to drink yourself to death than it appears so he decide to get dental implants after all.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @George
    , @Rapparee
  5. Tiny Duck says:

    Once again white supremacy proves deadly

    If we had more respect for People of Color mr hussain wouldn’t have had to Scheme to survive in white supremacist America

    This is why we NEED demographic change

  6. It’s funny you brought up the NTSB, Steve. I get your quip, but in the case of a for-hire transportation service like this, I believe it would be within their purview. 20 people killed! That’s a pretty big crash of any sort in this country. The NTSB looks into other accidents involving transportation besides just aircraft.

    • Replies: @Danindc
  7. F0337 says:

    Why is Shahed Hussain in our country?

    We need terrorist immigrant informers to keep tabs on the other terrorist immigrants. We need the other terrorist immigrants to give the first ones someone to keep track of. And something to do.

    It’s sort of like the proverbial self-licking ice cream cone mentioned around here once or twice. Also, if we didn’t have immigrant terrorists, there would be a lot of FBI boys and girls looking for jobs. We can’t risk that, what with unemployment near record lows.

    Finally, I believe it’s within the purview if not the brief of every government agency to go out and create work for itself when the real work runs dry. Otherwise they might get rusty or something and then who would you call when you really need someone?

    • Replies: @F0337
    , @bomag
    , @Darryl Licht
  8. eah says:

    Reminds me of this recent video — I don’t think these are the right kind of victims to elicit much media outrage and sympathy — like the ’13 y/o white girls in Rochdale’.

  9. utu says:

    If the terrorists that Shahed Hussain helped to frame were real terrorists belonging to real terrorist organization Shahed Hussain would be take out long time ago.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  10. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT: Blue Wave sighted, defacing Philadelphia’s Italian-American Immigration Museum with graffitti (“Hoking”?). Anon asked:

    Do they not realize that this is the kind of —- that turns normies into fascists? Why is the communist wing so intent on destroying the Democratic Party?

    https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/italian-immigration-museum-south-philly-vandalized-columbus-day

    [That thing that Napoleon didn't literally once say]
    Funny, though. I thought they still had Italians in New York. I wonder why they didn’t try anything there …

  11. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    Stretch limos particularly SUVs converted into stretch limos were kind of a novelty that people would hire 20 years ago but you rarely see them nowadays. Limos in general are much less common than they used to be. They seem to have been largely replaced by gigantic luxury SUVs as the vehicle to be chauffered around in.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  12. F0337 says:
    @F0337

    All I meant to say was, it’s all part of God’s plan now go back to your TV.

  13. Gonna go out on a limb here and guess the limo company owner has already fled the country.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  14. OT Scott Alexander on evolution of comment threads.

    In some weird reverse of Conquest’s Law, any comment section that isn’t explicitly left-wing tends to get more right-wing over time.

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/07/ot112-opentagon-thread/

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  15. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    In Mr. Hussain’s career as an agent provocateur, have any of the terrorism schemes he’s lured dupes into ever come to fruition?

    Do the dupes that get arrested for terrorism in these cases usually have an intention to commit terrorism, or are they involved in other crimes that are somehow tied to the wider terror plot designed by the agent provocateur?

  16. AP headline: Gansevoort Man Named Owner of Limo Company

    And in a huge shocker, he’s left the country. Probably with the help of the FBI.

  17. How many Americans are there that will do the dirty, not to mention unsafe, job of crashing limos? That’s what I thought. Nothing to see here. Carry on.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  18. Polynikes says:

    20 people? Jesus they’ll never recover a dime suing that guy.

    Add shady limousine company operator to the list of jobs that Americans just want do any more.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  19. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    What they say about safety manuals, Written in blood.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  20. Travis says:

    Time to build the Wall, end the diversity visa and reduce Legal immigration by 50%. We need comprehensive immigration reform to change our immigration laws and set a cap of 450,000 green cards per year. Increase the fees for green cards from the current $1,200 to $50,000.

    • Replies: @CAL2
    , @Knox
    , @ben tillman
  21. Danindc says:

    one of your best ideas Steve. Hey Stephen Miller, we know you’re reading. Get the God Emperor on this ASAP. You will have the thanks of a grateful nation.

  22. MEH 0910 says:

    Sorry, Tucker Carlson, but there are plenty of reasons why diversity really is America’s strength
    By Max Boot
    September 12
    ……

    Diversity is also important for national security. The New York Police Department has one of the most effective counterterrorism units in the world in part because it is so diverse: 22 percent of the officers hired in about the past 18 months are foreign-born, hailing from 77 countries. If the NYPD needs speakers of Arabic, Pashto, Farsi or Urdu, it doesn’t have to look far. Same with the U.S. armed services and the intelligence community.

    It’s a good thing that diversity is such an American strength, because it is inevitable and unavoidable.

  23. ccz says:

    Besides, he was giving a former marijuana user a 2nd (or should that be a 3rd?) chance.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/scott-lisinicchia-limo-driver-schoharie-crash/

    Scott T. Lisinicchia, 45, of Century Court, Clifton Park, was charged at 8:07 p.m. Friday, July 2, on Myrtle Street with unlawful possession of marijuana, a violation. Police & Courts: July 4, 2010 The Saratogian

    Controlled substance: Scott T. Lisinicchia, 48, of Maple Avenue in Stillwater was charged at 8 p.m. Nov. 22 with seventh-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance, unlawful possession of marijuana and an equipment violation following a traffic stop on Crescent Street. Police & Courts: November 21, 2013 The Saratogia

  24. utu says:

    Sometimes special safety review boards are called to investigate or to cover up important accidents. The death in plane crash of Senator Bronson Cutting lead Congress to commission the highly controversial Copeland Committee Report on air traffic safety.

    As a supporter of the Chicago Plan proposed by economist Irving Fisher and others at the University of Chicago, Cutting was among a handful of influential Senators who might have been able to remove from the private banks their ability to manipulate the money supply by enforcing a 100 percent reserve requirement for all credit creation, as stipulated in the Chicago Plan. His death in an airliner crash cut short what may have been his most enduring legacy to the nation.

    Ezra Pound and Senator Bronson Cutting: A Political Correspondence, 1930-1935

    https://www.amazon.com/Ezra-Pound-Senator-Bronson-Cutting/dp/0826315844

  25. 96 percent of the individuals in top 1 percent are White. My neighbors are immigrants themselves. They came here from Hungary and Norway in 1950s. All 5 of their children are married to an African American or an Asian Indian.
    I live in Cherry Hills Village, CO.
    BTW.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Reg Cæsar
  26. 96 percent of the individuals in top 1 percent are White.
    I live in Cherry Hills Village, CO. It is a very White suburb and needs some Vibrancy. Whites here are actually Boring.
    What they call toxic whiteness is just the desire of White people to live and thrive among their own.
    I am a White Jew.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  27. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910

    Ah, yes, the old Diversity: the cause of — and solution to — all of life’s problems.

  28. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Maybe Democrats will tone it the hell down before the –

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  29. Bill P says:

    These federal entrapment schemes are a gross violation of the spirit of the law, as well as totalitarian in intent. They were commonplace in Stalin’s USSR, and our government’s use of these tactics is a disgrace.

    As the judge said, if it weren’t for the government’s efforts to make it happen, the crime wouldn’t have occurred.

    Anybody who participates in this business is a deeply compromised individual, and we don’t need more of those in this country.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Disagree: Lot
    • Replies: @27 year old
    , @J.Ross
  30. @Bill P

    Anybody who participates in this business is a deeply compromised individual, and we don’t need more of those in this country.

    Snitches get deportations

  31. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Bill P

    And as soon as Muslim communities figured out what was happening they reacted as one nation. There’s an infamous cartoon penned and circulated by CAIR that shows every door in a suburban neighborhood slamming shut to the FBI — because of behavior like this. Those who were able to get a real lawyer in a real court got off almost as a rule.

    • Replies: @Anon
  32. istevefan says:
    @utu

    If the terrorists that Shahed Hussain helped to frame were real terrorists belonging to real terrorist organization Shahed Hussain would be take out long time ago.

    Now that he has been publicly outed, it’s probably safe to say he shouldn’t make any long-term plans. I wonder if the authorities were so upset with him that they publicly announced he was an FBI asset as punishment for the deaths of those 20 people.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @utu
    , @Not Raul
  33. DuanDiRen says:

    Steve, I have a question which I think is of interest: How many paid informers are there in the USA? FBI, DEA, ATF, and so on… How many? It seems like a number that should be documented, but I have never seen.

    Any ideas?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Jake Barnes
    , @Tim
  34. What the hell is going on?

    Isn’t Sessions supposed to be making this sort of immigration-graft-phony-business thing more difficult for infiltrators?

  35. Anon[407] • Disclaimer says:

    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2018/10/los-angeles-celebrates-slavery-human.html

    How does one celebrate indigeneity and diversity? Diversity is the result of imperialism against indigeneity.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  36. Lowe says:
    @Anonymous

    I would see SUV limousines all the time around Atlanta only 5 years ago. Maybe they went out of style in the larger metros, but elsewhere you see them around a lot.

    • Replies: @Lot
  37. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    It’s sad but true, but you don’t have to be a Muslim immigrant to benefit from the advice “Don’t Talk to the FBI.” This is not Mayberry RFD anymore. Talking to the FBI on any topic at any time no matter how innocent or uninvolved you are or how much you want to be a good citizen is a a major stupid move for anybody. If you really want to help, get an attorney who knows federal law involved first, and talk through him. But since the FBI is not paying for your attorney, in general you should just say, “Sorry, I don’t talk to cops; you’re tresspassing, the property line is that curb over there.” If they give you any guff, “Am I being detained? No? I’m closing the door now, please don’t interfere, and get off my property.”

    Martha Stewart, an intelligent, wealthy woman, talked to the FBI, and then spent a year or two in prison. You are not smart enough to avoid trouble when you talk to cops. Nobody is.

    Cops and FBI have all kinds of psychological tricks to make you think you should talk to them. They can lie to you. “What are you trying to hide?, We know about ….” The solution: Take yourself out of their physical presence immediately. “Am I being detained? You didn’t answer my question, am I being detained? Since you haven’t said that I am being detained, I am leaving now. Please do not block me.”

    You should never, ever talk to cops. The only time to talk are (1) grand juries, after you’ve been prepped by your attroney; (2) (via your attorney) to a prosecutor, in plea bargain negotiations; and (3) testifying at a trial or in a video or written deposition if your attorney has given the O.K.

  38. Leaving out the entrapment part, the crazily unsafe business practices put me in mind of another middle eastern type who ran a submarine sandwich franchise (not subway). Anyway it was close to where I worked so I attempted to eat there twice before I realized this guy was purposely leaving off the AC in hot Houston weather to save money. The second time, not having died from the first, I took a long look at the slightly oily, slightly warmish lunch meat and realized it had probably been re-presented well past the norms of 1st world safety standards and would be until a Closed Due to Bankruptcy sign appeared on the door or until a customer ended up deathly ill, whichever came first. So I sheepishly ordered a soda as if that’s all I’d wanted. Then as I wandered out the door (starving!), I realized there was probably “slime in the ice machine” too, dumped that toxic soda pop and never, ever even so much as looked that direction again.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hunsdon
  39. MEH 0910 says:
    @Michael Krauthammer

    All 5 of their children are married to an African American or an Asian Indian.

    Michael Krauthammer, you’re back. Are you by any chance related to Mike Krauthammer?

  40. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    In Mr. Hussain’s career as an agent provocateur, have any of the terrorism schemes he’s lured dupes into ever come to fruition?

    If you read between the lines most FBI “terrorism” busts are of this type: locate some feckless loser who likes to talk big, arrange a real-life meeting and then arrest him when he comes to collect the SAMs or suitcase nukes or whatever fantastical Hollywood weapon you’ve laughably convinced him you have access to. In this way the Feds can look busy while avoiding the sticky, politically incorrect work of arresting real-life terrorism supporters (who will never be so overt and thus can always play the race card) and still have time to pursue their real passion: committing treason 24/7.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Travis
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anon
    , @ben tillman
    , @prusmc
  41. @Michael Krauthammer

    My neighbors are immigrants themselves. They came here from Hungary and Norway in 1950s.

    That would make sense:

    The racial makeup of the city was 96.06% White, 0.64% African American, 0.15% Native American, 1.51% Asian, 0.57% from other races, and 1.07% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.88% of the population.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_Hills_Village,_Colorado#Demographics

  42. @Tiny Duck

    If we had more respect for People of Color mr hussain wouldn’t have had to Scheme to survive in white supremacist America

    Standards are inherently racist, so they have to go.

  43. @istevefan

    Now that he has been publicly outed, it’s probably safe to say he shouldn’t make any long-term plans

    Wow. Even the quality of those in the Witness Protection Program has sunk in recent years.

  44. prosa123 says: • Website
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I don’t know when the conversion occurred, but the vehicle used as the base for the limousine was a 2001 Ford Excursion, in other words a vehicle that’s now 18 years old.

    • Replies: @Lugash
  45. Lot says:

    “In Mr. Hussain’s career as an agent provocateur, have any of the terrorism schemes he’s lured dupes into ever come to fruition?”

    Highly unlikely. I say this having read many indictments of these guys. The FBI is tracking every step and keeping tight leashes on the informants, and devoting a lot of high quality agent manpower to these operations.

    I can link a few if you’d like, they are pretty interesting. My main takeaway is that a single 80IQ Muslim third world man can easily cost us $2 million to catch and try like this and them another $1 million to keep in prison. But if we don’t do this, we get a mix of 9-11, 80s Lebanon, 90s Detroit, ISIS, and The Battle of Algiers.

  46. Lot says:
    @Lowe

    SUV limos look like tacky mini school buses. Their market has likely been taken over by the new “Party Bus” trend.

  47. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    As I understand it (could be wrong):
    >we had good law enforcement evidence gathering procedures in place
    >the rules were bent (racketeering stings and “lying to the FBI”)
    >to be able to crack the mafia (in other words, because of the relative security of an old-world tribe)
    >these bends are now being abused to go after completely different targets: teenaged drug-users pressured to turn in friends, and Nu-Americans (who make the mafia look Anglo-Saxon)
    This means both that the (real) rules are not being followed and that there are no (real) successes to show for the departure.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  48. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Representative government? Founders’ intent? My friend Gu says, pee-yu!

  49. utu says:
    @istevefan

    He did not have to be outed. He was known to those who got convicted as the agent provocateur.

    • Replies: @utu
  50. SUV limos look like tacky mini school buses. Their market has likely been taken over by the new “Party Bus” trend.

    Nothing tops the stretch Hummer, though.

  51. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Never mind the bicycles, I don’t want to link it directly. This is the guy who kicked a woman. He’s asking for money on Go Fund Me. It’s okay to beat up a woman if you declare her to be a Nazi. Danger Five has come true and unfortunately it’s the second season.
    “You hit a woman!”
    “I hit a Nazi!”

    “If somebody gets raped by somebody and they’re like ‘I’m a 16-year old, I can’t have this baby. Think you should keep it?” the man asked.
    The activist responded, “It’s a baby, if someone is raped and she gave birth and decided to kill her three year old child -,” and that’s when the person kicked her.
    He then shouted “I meant to kick your phone.”
    A voice can be heard asking for someone to call the police.

    https://eaglerising.com/62770/watch-antifa-creep-claiming-to-be-feminist-round-house-kicks-female-pro-lifer/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  52. trelane says:

    Chuck Schumer is on this and problem of too-long limousines will be solved shortly. Every inch you add to a limousine detracts from it’s safety. Shorter limousines are in order after the tragic crash.

  53. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @miss marple

    Sadly, many of us have had to learn the lesson of foreign franchise owners the hard way. Not all are bad, but you have to be very careful, especially with franchisors who don’t give a shit.

    In this area , we have Mr. Goodcents, which is generally superior to Subway, but they have two locations that I know of that I won’t eat at. Both are run by Indians. Another location also is, but the stuff is fresh and clean, as is the one seemingly run by a Eastern European guy.

    In general, when in doubt, I have found that locations in a supermarket or a WalMart are consistently run to code. The safest Chinese food you are going to get is also served in the supermarket kitchen or counter area.

    I’ve also found that supermarket fresh baked donuts are generally superior to those baked in old line donut shops that orientals have taken over.

  54. Wilkey says:
    @J.Ross

    Eugene Gu is right. America is a terrible, oppressive country. He should probably flee to a UN refugee camp and demand to be resettled somewhere more enlightened, like Vietnam.

  55. @J.Ross

    This is the guy who kicked a woman.

    He’s a hairdresser with studs (or tattoos or beauty marks) in his lip, prone to hysteria, and doesn’t fight like a girl, but fights a girl.

    You have one guess as to which minority group he belongs to!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  56. @J.Ross

    This video clip, although from Congo, is relevant.

  57. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Bad news: the Go Fund Me is apparently fake (it’s well done though, the faker studied the guys’ social media). I got confirmation that I had deleted it and … here it is.
    Good news: he turned himself in and was charged with eight, not one, count of assault, because he matched descriptions of other physical attacks on women in the name of choice. He possibly has been doing this serially and not as a one-off.
    Wierd news: in the video he’s wearing a Satanic pentagram pendant.

  58. eah says:
    @eah

    Actually that tweet alone is not unsimilar to many others you can find on Twitter — but use Twitter’s advanced search to check his timeline for the word “white” — this guy is unhinged.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  59. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    And the prosecutor who railroaded Martha Stewart on an essentially fake charge was … Jumpin’ James Comey.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  60. eah says:
    @J.Ross

    The Senate was designed that way, so it’s a feature not a bug — search his Twitter for “white” — he is also unhinged.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Reg Cæsar
  61. If the circumstances were slightly different (non-Muslim, non-immigrant owner) this story of a shoddy, dangerous business operating illegally and killing 20 young people would be a front-page story of the New York Times and other major outlets. It does not fit their narrative so they are working desperately to bury it. Deceitful reporting on this in the New York Times, by neglect. Instead they will blame the white males who run the vehicle registration and regulation bureaus. In this case, the business owners will barely get a mention.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  62. utu says:
    @utu

    He was outed in 2009:

    https://nypost.com/2009/05/22/informant-fingered-launder-duo/
    Shahed Hussain, 52, an upstate motel owner, turned informant in 2002 after being busted on fraud charges while working as a translator for the Department of Motor Vehicles. The man, who had helped immigrants cheat on driver’s tests, began cooperating with the FBI in a bid to win leniency in court and avoid deportation to Pakistan.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/nyregion/16terror.html
    In Albany, Mr. Hussain, the same informant who later worked in Newburgh, spun out a fake money laundering plan that included a demonstration of a shoulder-fired missile, along with gifts and false friendship.

    “I never imagined the United States would do this,” said Dr. Ahmad, who came to this country from India more than 30 years ago. “Soviet Union I could have expected it. Third world country, yes. Mafia, yes. But not the Justice Department.”

  63. Cortes says:

    Have any of the agents handling the informant received significant career advancement on the back of successful outcomes to his “stings”?

    Has the “supergrass” called or otherwise relied on his agency contacts for aid in his business’s brushes with the law?

  64. utu says:
    @DuanDiRen

    They don’t have to be paid. Anybody whose charges were dropped or who got a good deal in court is likely to end up being an informer. All active drug dealers are informers.

  65. anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The British didn’t put in that many hours a day ever in Kenya and yet they still more or less conquered China as well.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  66. BenKenobi says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Well, allow me to play beelzebub-barrister for a moment and point out that only the thot-est of thots are going around screaming “WOOOOO!!!” in pajeet-driven limos in this day and age.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  67. Polynikes says:
    @MEH 0910

    That NYC diversity program is so great that they’re the ones that get all the terrorism! Or something…

  68. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    If we had more respect for People of Color mr hussain wouldn’t have had to Scheme to survive in white supremacist America

    Maybe, just maybe, he wouldn’t have HAD to scheme, but it’s a pretty safe bet he still would have.

  69. George says:

    “he’s lured moronic dupes ”

    Should the dupes be freed? Should they get restitution?

    Who were the dupes? Taxpayers? FBI? W? …

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Bronx_terrorism_plot

    2011: Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI ‘entrapment’ questioned
    Critics say bureau is running a sting operation across America, targeting vulnerable people by luring them into fake terror plots

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Fort_Dix_attack_plot

    • Replies: @utu
  70. J.Ross says: • Website
    @eah

    >like the diversity
    [flute crescendo]
    >watches out
    [deliberate pause, then resume bongo]
    for the people around them
    [bongo solo]
    >not target them

  71. J.Ross says: • Website
    @eah

    Yeah if we didn’t have that, we’d never have had a Civil War or emancipation, because Virginia (which originally included West Virginia) would totally dominate everything. And if anything brought about a new civil war or domestic terrorism it would be Americans feeling dominated by Sacramento and unable to appeal to relatively objective parts of government.

    • Replies: @eah
  72. Polynikes says:
    @J.Ross

    Correct. Same thing will, and is, happen with all the new post 9-11 counter terrorism measures we allowed to happen.

  73. Anonymous[904] • Disclaimer says:

    ……….in other words a typical Pakistani.

  74. anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    Am I the only one who saw the documentary The Newburgh Sting ? A black guy who converted to Islam in prison and three of his homeboys agreed to Hussain’s terrorist plot on the promise of a 250,000 payoff. They were four legacy black Americans who would have agreed to participating in any atrocity for whatever reason as long as they got paid.

  75. anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:

    Go to YouTube and type in The Newburgh Sting. Watch that documentary.

  76. eah says:
    @J.Ross

    More relevant today: what is all this ‘white supremacist’ and ‘white privilege’ bullshit if not a gigantic ethnic slur against Whites? — as if we all benefit from some unearned/undeserved ‘privilege’ and ‘supremacy’, gained at the expense of, and only by unscrupulously exploiting, others/non-whites — yet that ethnic defamation is all over the media, including Twitter — but if I were to go on Twitter and call this guy a fucking gook ingrate (speaking hypothetically of course — “LOL”), I would be banned — however I don’t see how that’s actually worse.

    • Agree: Gordo
  77. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    Ever heard of a flying toilet? Me neither until I did a bit of reading about Kenya.

    No worries about Kenya developing into a powerhouse.

    “We are not interested in [Chinese] culture,”

    Not to be harsh, but they find basic sanitation overly challenging and might reconsider their resistance to modifying their culture. I suppose that just isn’t who they are.

    • Replies: @anon
  78. @J.Ross

    Another person who didn’t pay attention in history class.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  79. @anonymous

    But the Briish had White Privilege.

  80. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: white guys abandon the armed forces as the military misses recruitment goal for the first time in 13 years, army tries “major cities” instead.

    “Army to Boost Social Media, Market to Major Cities After Missing Recruiting Goal”

    Gen. Mark Milley, Army chief of staff, said the recruiting shortfall was “certainly a warning light out there” as the Pentagon works to increase the size of the soldier service to 500,000 by 2024.

    https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/national-govt–politics/after-missing-enlistment-goal-army-vows-boost-recruiting/LbczaOYN0AHqZGbGSnmT7I/

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @Pericles
    , @J.Ross
    , @3g4me
  81. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Developing countries can lift themselves out of poverty with investments in education and family planning, which give people more time for thinking, saving, and generating new ideas.

    Gates is a little slow on the uptake. Its not like we don’t have 60 years of development economics with endless examples of failure. After enough time and failed interventions, it doesn’t matter much whether they lack motivation or ability.

  82. CCZ says:
    @J.Ross

    The electric power grid will improve once thieves finally stop stealing transformers and selling the oil for cooking.

    https://www.thedailymeal.com/thieves-kenya-steal-electrical-transformer-oil-cooking/122814

    Kenyan Thieves Raid Transformers for Cooking Oil
    December 28, 2014

  83. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @CCZ

    Couldn’t they add a bitterant or toxin to the oil?

  84. utu says:
    @George

    Look at John Walker Lindh. He got 20 years without parole making this deal:

    Lindh could plead guilty to two charges: supplying services to the Taliban and carrying an explosive during the commission of a felony. He would have to consent to a gag order that would prevent him from making any public statements on the matter for the duration of his 20-year sentence, and he would have to drop any claims that he had been mistreated or tortured by U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan and aboard two military ships during December 2001 and January 2002. In return, all other charges would be dropped. The gag order was said to be at the request of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

    The judge asked Lindh to say, in his own words, what he was admitting to: “I plead guilty. I provided my services as a soldier to the Taliban last year from about August to December. In the course of doing so, I carried a rifle and two grenades. I did so knowingly and willingly knowing that it was illegal.” Lindh said that he “went to Afghanistan with the intention of fighting against terrorism and oppression,” fighting for the suffering of ordinary people at the hands of the Northern Alliance.

  85. CAL2 says:
    @Travis

    Still too high for the green cards. I would make it 100,000 max, bidding for a green card starts at $50K. Also, any foreign workers are the responsibility of the company. That means all medical, housing, liability, etc. have to be covered by the employer.

    One other thing I would do is create a bounty system on illegals. If your tip results in an illegal getting caught and deported, you get some cash.

  86. @eah

    You polished the final nail for your own coffins.

    Because nails must be polished. I don’t know about you skanks, but I wouldn’t be caught dead in a coffin with unpolished nails.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  87. Art Deco says:

    They aren’t showing pictures of the wreck. I’m trying to understand the physics of this accident. The limousine did not have a head on crash with a truck or a bus or any kind of moving vehicle and the limousine wasn’t T-boned. It hit a parked SUV. Yet, every single person in the limousine was killed. Is this carnage just what happens when a limousine crashes, or was there some set of defects which caused this?

  88. Gordo says:

    No precautionary principle invoked when deciding upon immigration into Western countries.

    Wonder why not?

  89. Gordo says:
    @Anon

    OT: white guys abandon the armed forces as the military misses recruitment goal for the first time in 13 years, army tries “major cities” instead.

    “Army to Boost Social Media, Market to Major Cities After Missing Recruiting Goal”

    Gen. Mark Milley, Army chief of staff, said the recruiting shortfall was “certainly a warning light out there” as the Pentagon works to increase the size of the soldier service to 500,000 by 2024.

    If you’re stopped at a checkpoint at night, do you want the soldiers to be of your own race? or a different race?

    Don’t remember exactly who said it, either Chittum or Covington.

  90. @Polynikes

    There are stretch limo’s rotting in the parking garages.

  91. Danindc says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point. Yes, that’s the death toll of a small commuter plane

    • Replies: @Jack D
  92. ic1000 says:
    @Art Deco

    > Is this carnage just what happens when a limousine crashes, or was there some set of defects which caused this?

    Good question. 18 of 18 occupants dead is high. How fast was the limo going? There were eyewitnesses so investigators must have a pretty good idea, but I haven’t seen it reported. Similarly for causes of death — obviously those can’t be comforting to the families, whatever they are :-(

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  93. Danindc says:
    @Art Deco

    Thank you for asking this question. Wtf happened? Everyone dead in SUV. Nobody hanging on for life? Nobody wore a seatbelt? CaN you imagine the carnage inside? Horrifying.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  94. Anon[373] • Disclaimer says:

    “They aren’t showing pictures of the wreck. I’m trying to understand the physics of this accident.”

  95. ic1000 says:
    @Peter Johnson

    > [Circumstances of the crash do] not fit their narrative so they are working desperately to bury it.

    Coverage by the CBS Morning News teevee show supports your thesis. Modified Limited Hangout, a dribble of relevant details for the moderate-information viewer. Name and existence of brushes with the FBI and criminal law, yes. Out of the country, yes. Informant/entrapper for FBI terrorism cases, no. Bankruptcy fraud, no. Diverse immigrant fled back home to Pakistan, heck no.

    As I write, NBC Today is even more circumspect. Tom Costello’s Action News live report is entirely about mechanical issues (air bag module recovered!) and the Sad Memorial Service. No mention of the owner’s name, history, circumstances, or new-found love of residency in extradition-proof Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  96. bomag says:
    @F0337

    Agree here, and it’s part of living with dictates from a large central gov’t:

    ) must have immigration forever, because We have deemed it and built an infrastructure for it.

    ) must have affirmative action forever because We have deemed it and…

    ) must have feminism forever because…

    ) must have identity politics forever for everyone except white men because…

    etc.

  97. Rob McX says:

    Finally, a job Americans really can’t do – hanging around mosques as a provocateur luring Muslims into carrying out terror attacks. Who says immigration doesn’t create jobs?

  98. Rob McX says:
    @ic1000

    No mention of the owner’s name, history, circumstances, or new-found love of residency in extradition-proof Pakistan.

    The guy who carried out the shooting outside CIA HQ in 1993 was captured and brought back from Pakistan. He killed two people.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  99. bomag says:
    @MEH 0910

    I wonder if Max would care to add up the price tag of Diversity in NYC compared to the price of Homogeneity in Tokyo…

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  100. prosa123 says: • Website

    The only clear photo I’ve seen shows the limousine from the right side, and it really doesn’t look so bad. As best I can tell the passenger compartment is intact. The front end isn’t visible.

    Assuming there was a hard frontal impact as the limousine went into the (shallow) ravine the passengers would have been thrown forward with a great deal of force. Certainly all of them would have been injured and there probably would have been some deaths …. but all of them dying seems very odd, especially since they were young and probably quite fit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  101. The ruling class rats in European Christian nations talks a lot about how they’re “surveilling” potential Islamic terrorists and “monitoring” the mosques that the potential Islamic terrorists go to.

    Is this a jobs program for FBI agents and the like? Are the ruling class rats just trying to get on our nerves with this horseshit?

    Repatriate and Re-Migrate and Deport these potential Islamic terrorists now, DAMMIT!

    Revoke their citizenship if necessary, and send these bastards back to where they came from.

    White Core American Patriots must begin planning on how best to remove 30 or 40 million Third Worlders from the United States. Citizenship revocations must be part of the contingency plans to put into action when the White Core American Patriots come to power.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @Sammler
  102. Art Deco says:
    @Danindc

    I’ve never seen the inside of such a vehicle. This modified Lincoln has no seatbelts:

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&biw=1229&bih=646&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=eqy8W_LDPMjuzgKp-L_QBQ&q=stretch+limo+interio&oq=stretch+limo+interio&gs_l=img.3..0j0i5i30l5j0i24.61287.63851..64375…1.0..0.79.581.8……1….1..gws-wiz-img…….0i67j0i8i30j0i30.QBHPe11NVT0#imgrc=uUG_sjUeHd4vMM:

    IIRC, airbags are helpful for crashes which occur between 30 and 40 mph.

  103. @MEH 0910

    “If the NYPD needs speakers of Arabic, Pashto, Farsi, or Urdu it need not look far.”

    And why, exactly, would it need to find such people?

    Immigration apology always results in self-contradiction, Boot gets to it here faster than most.

  104. @J.Ross

    And the prosecutor who railroaded Martha Stewart on an essentially fake charge was … Jumpin’ James Comey.

    I can’t shed too many tears for Mrs Stewart. She’s been a generous donor to the politicians who enacted these “go get ‘em” laws. Then she found herself as one of the “gone and got”.

    Caveat emptor.

  105. Mr. Anon says:

    In Mr. Hussain’s career as an agent provocateur, have any of the terrorism schemes he’s lured moronic dupes into ever come to violent fruition?

    Likely none of them would have. But FBI agents and federal prosecutors were able to win cases and get bonuses and promotions out of them. And that’s what is really important. And of course the public is reassured that the government is doing the important work of protecting them from (mostly non-existent) terrorists – terrorists who, by the way, the government allows into the country in the first place.

    • Agree: bomag
  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @MEH 0910

    Sorry, Tucker Carlson, but there are plenty of reasons why diversity really is America’s strength
    By Max Boot

    ………………………

    It’s a good thing that diversity is such an American strength, because it is inevitable and unavoidable.

    The rationale of the rapist – you are powerless to oppose it, just let it happen

  107. Mr. Anon says:
    @bomag

    I wonder if Max would care to add up the price tag of Diversity in NYC compared to the price of Homogeneity in Tokyo…

    Or Tel Aviv.

  108. @Redneck farmer

    OT Representative government? Founders’ intent? My friend Gu says, pee-yu!

    Another person who didn’t pay attention in history class.

    Tell it to the Tibetans and Uighurs.

    I was going to ask, where were these history classes? Were they taught by communists?

    Personal life
    Gu was born San Francisco in 1986.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Gu

    #MeGoo:

    Gu was married, and the marriage ended in divorce in October 2015. His wife requested a one-month restraining order against him which was granted in February 2015, based on four allegations of domestic violence going back to 2013, the last of which involved the police being called and Gu being arrested in February 2015. His ex-wife allowed the restraining order to lapse and the court records were eventually expunged.

    But not the Wikipedia ones.

  109. Mr. Anon says:
    @ic1000

    Good question. 18 of 18 occupants dead is high. How fast was the limo going? There were eyewitnesses so investigators must have a pretty good idea, but I haven’t seen it reported. Similarly for causes of death — obviously those can’t be comforting to the families, whatever they are :-(

    According to the reports, the limo blew through a stop sign (or stop light) and crashed into the parking lot of a restaurant (two of the dead were restaurant patrons). If the brakes failed and it was coming down a hill, it might have been going pretty fast. No airbags, no seat-belts. It would be as if they were launched into a wall at 30, 40, 50 mph? It doesn’t take that much trauma to kill a person. We’re pretty fragile.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
    , @Hunsdon
  110. We need an Immigration Safety Review Board…

    No, we need bail bonds for all potential immigrants.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  111. Rob McX says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That would be better than locking the stable door. Best of all would be a moratorium.

  112. @Mr. Anon

    I remember my son getting into a giant SUV limo to go to the prom with 27 other kids, and pulling away from the curb on a hill the limo drags its bottom on the street. All of us parents look at each other: “Is this giant limo thing really such a good idea?”

    • Replies: @RCB
    , @Bill P
  113. Lugash says:
    @prosa123

    That’s probably intentional. Newer vehicles have too many airbags and electronics to make a conversion feasible.

    The damage to the vehicle isn’t that bad, the inside must be a butcher shop though:

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @Jack D
  114. RCB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, I wonder if you’ve noticed how common it is for the media to use the word “chilling” to describe Trump’s words and actions. You’re a noticer, so I thought I’d check with you.

  115. George says:
    @J.Ross

    Founders’ intent?

    The founders intended the Senate to be appointed by state legislatures. The Senate, after 1913, is really a kind of House of Super Representatives. The Senate cannot be as easily gerrymandered.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Senate#1913%E2%80%931945

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  116. @F0337

    And think of all the diversity training companies that would be idle!! Think of all the FBI men having to walk in high heels empathy exercises rotting in the fields!! The horror. The horror.

  117. George says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I think a lawyer would advise against mixing fact and fiction(including jokes) in the same post to avoid easy claims of defamation.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  118. Knox says:
    @Travis

    Ending the diversity Visa program has much support, but even Trump was unable to get this small reduction in green cards with a GOP Congress. The Trump Immigration reform bill was DOA , even though it would not have reduced legal immigration , all 50,000 diversity visas would be issued to other immigrants to keep Legal immigration above 1,250,000 each year.

    Hopefully many GOP candidates are making immigration an issue in November. We need more immigration restrictionists in Congress in order to make any progress on immigration reform

  119. @Travis

    Even that’s too low. A green card is worth close to a million.

  120. @Anonymous

    Former donut maker/seller here. Donuts really don’t go bad. They’ll get stale, but that’s about it. All that sugar acts like a preservative.

    Of course, they are quite likely the world’s most fattening food. Cheetos and Coke and cigarettes would make a better diet than donuts.

  121. @Lugash

    Yeah, I’m having a hard time figuring out how no one survived.

  122. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    If you read between the lines most FBI “terrorism” busts are of this type: locate some feckless loser who likes to talk big, arrange a real-life meeting and then arrest him

    Same thing w/ “KKK’ busts.

  123. @Art Deco

    I wonder if the driver was stoned/drunk. The occupants were probably tipsy on champagne, but not wasted. They were on the way to a party after all.

    Certainly no seat belts and the crash must have been high speed. Wasn’t everyone killed in Princess Diana’s wreck too?

  124. George says:

    ” Time for an Immigration Safety Review Board”

    The Pakistani guy was probably groomed as an informant from an early day, possibly before he arrived in the US. So your safety board would have been overruled, sort of like the 911 report. That’s the cost of the forever war. I personally could not help think that the death of a ‘wedding caravan’ in Schoharie NY mirrored similar drone bombings in numerous incidents in Iraqistain and beyond. The Schoharie tragedy seems linked to US foreign policy.

    I also wonder what secrets his motel holds, given he had a certain relationship with law enforcement.

  125. @Anon

    How does one celebrate indigeneity and diversity? Diversity is the result of imperialism against indigeneity.

    Nice perspicacity.

  126. @George

    McGowan has dentures, not implants?

  127. utu says:

    OT: New trend: cops start shooting their own dogs

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6246119/Texas-police-dog-shot-dead-biting-handler-raid.html

    Cop shoots police K-9 Kastor dead after it started attacking another officer during raid on suspect’s home

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6122449/Ohio-police-officer-shoots-dead-K9-attacked-him.html

    Ohio police officer shoots dead his K9 after it attacked him while the animal was being ‘verbally disciplined’

    https://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/officer-fatally-shoots-his-police-dog-after-attacks-him/AgBqo6csyloz0tquOkPfrK/

    Officer fatally shoots his police dog after it attacks him

    https://abc13.com/news/hpd-officer-attacked-by-police-dog/1694077/

    Houston Police officer attacked by police dog

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4423430/police-dog-shot-by-k9-unit-officer/

    Ohio police dog euthanized after it attacked a K9 Unit officer, who then shot it

    But

    https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/man-shot-killed-ohio-officer-jethro-sentenced-45/story?id=41645362

    Man Who Shot, Killed Ohio K-9 Officer Jethro Sentenced to 45 Years in Prison

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/10/john-rush-stabbed-police-dog-prison-sentence_n_6841004.html

    Man Who Stabbed Police Dog To Death Gets 17 Years In Prison

    https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/10181-man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-extremely-long-sentence/

    Man Who Killed Police Dog Gets Extremely Long Sentence

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  128. Hunsdon says:
    @miss marple

    Like Captain America, I get that reference!

  129. Jack D says:
    @prosa123

    The limo must have hit something solid (trees) because there are reports of the engine being pushed into the passenger compartment. So I think these were the factors that contributed to the unusually high rate of mortality:

    1. Unsafe vehicle (stretch limo). No side air bags, etc. Base vehicle is old (2001) and doesn’t meet current crash test standards.

    2. High rate of speed (probably over 60 mph) and collision with immovable object causing sudden deceleration.

    3. No seat belts in use. Open interior layout means that passengers can go flying for a good distance.

    I suspect that if the passengers had been belted, at least some of them would have survived but the idea of a stretch limo like this is that it is supposed to be a cocktail party on wheels so no one belts themselves in even if seat belts were provided. The key factor was total lack of belt use but this sounds too much like blame the victim so (especially with the driver dead and Ali or whatever his name is in Pakistan) they will sue Ford for making an unsafe vehicle or something.

  130. @the one they call Desanex

    Because nails must be polished. I don’t know about you skanks, but I wouldn’t be caught dead in a coffin with unpolished nails.

    I was thinking the same thing.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  131. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    The safest Chinese food you are going to get is also served in the supermarket kitchen or counter area.

    The safest Chinese food you are going to get is served in a place where all the customers are Chinese. The Chinese have been cooking without refrigeration for 5,000 years and have figured out how to do it without killing themselves (a billion Chinese can’t be wrong). The key is “cook and serve”, whereas a lot of Western cooking is based on “cook and hold” or “cook and reheat”. In cook and serve you take some ingredient (preferably alive or freshly killed – a live fish or lobster), raise its temperature to the sterile point and then serve it immediately. There is no time for bacteria to grow.

    In cook and hold, you have to hope that the holding temperature is high enough – a little bit cooler and you have just the right incubation temperature for bacteria. In cook and reheat, by definition the food has to pass thru the danger zone and you have to hope that the time spent in that zone was not too long. Bacteria counts go up geometrically so what might start as a few bacteria initially becomes millions with time. So if you see a steam table, run away.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  132. Jack D says:
    @Lugash

    In this picture you can’t really see the front. You can’t even see if the vehicle still HAS a front. You can however see the trees that the limo hit. Apparently the engine was pushed into the passenger compartment. If you go from 60 to zero in an instant and no one is belted this is what happens.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @FO337
  133. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s possible (but not likely) that the brakes failed but modern braking systems rarely fail totally and without warning. You have a dual hydraulic circuit so that there is redundancy – even if there is a hole in one set of brake lines the other 2 wheels still have (some) braking. Most drivers are not suicidal and so if they see the brake warning light on or realize that the pedal is soft they stop and don’t continue on at high speed as if nothing is wrong.

    More likely the driver was inattentive or impaired and probably unfamiliar with the intersection and just did not see the stop sign in time to stop. There have been a number of similar accidents at that intersection – they can’t all have had bad brakes. It’s a long downhill run ending at a T intersection. Driver error is vastly ahead of mechanical failure as an accident cause.

    • Replies: @Anon
  134. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    If Wyoming was Leftist and California wasn’t, Gu would be extolling the virtues of having all of the states equally represented in the Senate. Same thing with the Electoral College. They keep going on about how Hillary won the popular vote, but if it was the other way around they would extol the Electoral College too (until the next time it went against them). It’s all just transparently who-whom with Leftists and has nothing to do with democracy or principles because they don’t really have any, other than the power principle.

    • Agree: JMcG, Hunsdon
  135. Jack D says:
    @Danindc

    I think this was actually the highest death toll for any transportation related accident in the US in several years. Commercial air travel has become incredibly safe.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
  136. kihowi says:
    @J.Ross

    That is dumb people in general, very much including dumb whites. They don’t have an internal monologue so for an idea to be developped it has to be part of an out loud conversation. They can’t just think “nice day”. It can only really be a nice day when someone has heard you say it. Those kinds of people need a looot of yapping to get through their day. It drives me up the wall.

    You know what’s so great about the Chinese supermarket? They care that the transaction goes smoothly and for the rest leave you the fuck alone.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  137. Commercial air travel has become incredibly safe.

    Right. IIRC, there were no commercial air fatalities in 2017, and I can’t think of any so far this year. You are more likely to die falling in your bathroom.

  138. Bill P says:
    @Steve Sailer

    There’s a reason buses are built more like trucks than cars.

    27 people in a limo is too many. You need a cdl with a p endorsement for over 15, which generally requires routine medical tests, random drug tests, etc. Not too different from being a commercial pilot. If the driver doesn’t have that it’s a big fine for him and the company.

    These accidents show why these regulations have merit.

  139. ic1000 says:
    @Rob McX

    I was mistaken to call Pakistan extradition-proof. Thanks for the correction, Rob McX.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  140. Rob McX says:
    @ic1000

    Actually, since that was a terrorist attack on the CIA, the government went to greater extremes than was normal to get the perpetrator and execute him. It remains to be seen what they’ll do in this case.

  141. @DuanDiRen

    The lower bound is probably the entirety of the supposed membership of the KKK, though some may be SPLC goons rather than FBI informants

  142. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    Can’t they just recruit women instead?

  143. @J.Ross

    You’ve got 3 weeks to tone it down, young man DNC, or we’re gonna turn around right now and not come to Washington FS again evah!

  144. @anon

    Written in blood.

    That’s gotta be expensive. It’s also kinda messy to fill up the black ink cartridge with blood. Type O is easier to get, but the hospital makes such a damn big deal out it anymore when I “borrow” some for my safety manual printing operation.

  145. @Anon

    AGRRED!

    Another Constitutionalist here. Yea!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  146. Uh … isn’t it racist to insist that immigrants follow safety standards and practises?

  147. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Jack D

    “In this picture you can’t really see the front. You can’t even see if the vehicle still HAS a front. You can however see the trees that the limo hit. Apparently the engine was pushed into the passenger compartment. If you go from 60 to zero in an instant and no one is belted this is what happens.”

    There was no 60 mph impact into trees. Had the limousine been going that fast the passenger area would have been substantially deformed. Instead, there’s nothing: no apparent damage to the visible right side, the roof isn’t wrinkled, and at least one of the doors is still able to be opened. Had this limousine, with its weak body structure, gone from 60 mph (or even substantially less) to a dead stop after hitting solid objects the body would have accordioned.
    Even if there had been a solid hit, and even considering that the passengers would have been unbelted, it would have been a one-in-a-million chance for everyone to have died.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @bomag
  148. @stillCARealist

    It’s a macabre question but it would be useful for somebody to study it. Some number of passengers were killed by the flying bodies of other passengers.

  149. Not Raul says:
    @istevefan

    “I wonder if the authorities were so upset with him that they publicly announced he was an FBI asset as punishment for the deaths of those 20 people.”

    That would be my guess.

  150. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Anon

    Was it the public relations stunt hike in red high heels, the reports of homosexual rape and harassment, and the Forever Wars?
    No, it’s the children who are wrong.

  151. @Jack D

    High rate of speed (probably over 60 mph) …

    Hey, I like your comments, Jack, but you hit upon a pet peeve of mine. That’s cops-in-traffic court type talk there. The speed IS a rate. A rate of change in speed would be acceleration. If one wants to be technical and use the term “rate” it should be “he was moving at a high rate of change in distance.”, but then the judge would say “Go back to being an engineer, dude; why are you hanging out with all these dumb cops?”

    They like to sound so knowledgeable in front of the judge as compared to the driver, who may be much more truthful but not a lawyerly or technical type. Another thing they say is “he was heading southbound on state road 59…” No, the lane(s) on one side of the road may be the southbound lane(s), but the driver was heading south, period. “He was driving at high speed in the southbound lane.” THAT’S BETTER!

    (or, “He was traveling southbound at a high rate.” OK!)

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @kihowi
  152. @stillCARealist

    I wonder if the driver was stoned/drunk.

    I’m guessing he was looking at his smartphone and blew through the intersection.

  153. J.Ross says: • Website
    @George

    Indeed (and they were right), and this Gu fellow I have linked, you see, is unaware or unmoved by this, and by the discussions the Founders had where they made clear their concerns about straight democracy (as Gu advocates). So Gu is perpendicular to the Foumders.

  154. @Jack D

    There’s no 5-minute edit time with this browser, but I meant to add:

    That was just a nitpick, Jack. Otherwise, I’m in agreement.

  155. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ben tillman

    Oh come on, that line fits perfectly with the two purple fleur-de-lis.

  156. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    modern braking systems rarely fail totally and without warning.

    At 50K miles, all the dash lights, including the brake light, illuminated in my ’08 Ford pickup, and stayed illuminated. The dealer diagnosed the problem as a failed ABS module at $1600 to replace. Power brakes still worked as usual but (I guess) the ABS feature did not. I got a used one online for $60 and the dealer installed it for $200. All the dash lights went out except for the 4WD indicator.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  157. J.Ross says: • Website
    @kihowi

    Chinese supermarket transaction goes smoothly
    The ones I was in, your right to occupy space ends the second you are handed your receipt. You dash down to your goods and hurriedly throw them into bags so as not to bother the person standing behind you.

  158. J.Ross says: • Website
    @utu

    Camera zooms through the room to the face of an ATF agent standing in the back, who now smiles and nods with deep parental contentment.

  159. @Jack D

    The safest Chinese food you are going to get is served in a place where all the customers are Chinese … a billion Chinese can’t be wrong

    LOL wut

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutter_oil

    • Replies: @Jake Barnes
    , @Jack D
  160. Jack D says:
    @prosa123

    And yet they are all dead. Did the CIA do it? Poison gas? The Rooshians?

  161. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’ve consumed a fair amount of ditch oil (地溝油) and can say unequivocally that it imparts a distinctively delicious flavor while only occasionally causing hepatitis.

  162. Swede55 says:

    WhatDoesIt Mean.com suggests a chlorine gas bomb in the limo ventilator.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  163. @Achmed E. Newman

    Doh! Hey, it’s that AGREE button – Ron Unz, WTH man?

  164. foulkes says:
    @Anonymous

    The safest Chinese food you are going to get is also served in the supermarket kitchen or counter area.

    In my city, Chinese -owned restaurants are forever being shut down by the health authorities. Whether they are serving Chinese, Japanese or Western food.

    I only eat Chinese food at Safeway. I assume Safeway will keep an eye on them as it has so much to lose if authorities shut down the Oriental kitchen

  165. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Humboldt SK crash which killed 16 Canadians was also courtesy of a subcontinental.

  166. Travis says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    we cannot even deport convicted felons thanks to Judge Gorsuch.

    The Supreme Court struck a blow against the federal government’s deportation regime, invalidating a key provision of a statute used to expel legal immigrants convicted of violent felonies. The court’s 5–4 decision will hinder the Trump administration’s ability to deport non-citizens, Justice Neil Gorsuch cast the decisive fifth vote with the more liberal justices to reach a progressive outcome.

    Sessions v. Dimaya concerned the Immigration and Nationality Act. The law allows the deportation of any alien convicted of an “aggravated felony,” which includes a “crime of violence.” That encompasses any felony that “by its nature, involves a substantial risk” of “physical force against the person or property.” Gorsuch joining Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan decided to strike down the law. Neil Gorsuch, affirmed the 9th Circuit’s ruling that Section 16(b) is unconstitutionally vague.

    An immigrant from the Philippines, James Dimaya had two residential burglary convictions. Based on the convictions, the immigration court and the Board of Immigration Appeals ordered Dimaya removed from the United States. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit overturned the BIA’s order, finding that Section 16(b) was unconstitutionally vague. Gorsuch agreed, and thus convicted alien felons are now allowed to stay in the United States.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  167. eagles says:

    Canada has the same problem with Sikh -owned trucking businesses. Safety is often neglected and drivers can’t drive. The result is a lot of accidents. The rig that plowed into the Junior hockey team bus In Saskatchewan earlier this year, that killed 16 players, was a Sikh immigrant.

  168. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    American food manufacturers would never stoop so low. For example, they would never put “pink slime” in ground beef.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  169. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:

    OT but I think the Weihan twitter account is a parody based on reading through his tweets

  170. @Anon

    You should never, ever talk to cops.

    It will come as quite a shock I know, that a guy using the nom de plume “Stan d Mute” would wholeheartedly and enthusiastically endorse this comment. And yet there is is. I’d only add that recent years have proven conclusively that Anarcho-Tyranny exists and that cops (government generally) consists of a pack of amoral liars. Anything you do say will be twisted until it’s unrecognizable, evidence will be fabricated, and you will be in a cell while the guy who was about to rape your wife, to whom you brandished your weapon as deterrent, is on to his next victim.

  171. 3g4me says:
    @Anon

    @83 Anon[275]: “OT: white guys abandon the armed forces as the military misses recruitment goal for the first time in 13 years, army tries “major cities” instead.”

    Oh God, I truly hope White guys are finally figuring out that it’s not worth dying for Israel or Empire. Let the Army recruit more womyn and numinous Negroes. Let’s see how long the normies continue with “Thank you for your service” platitudes when dealing with Shitavioushita doing her black power salute (she be a West Point grad, bitchez).

  172. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I guess, for once, the Levantine perp isn’t fleeing to Tel Aviv. Or is he???

  173. Jack D says:
    @Travis

    We have a Republican Congress and a Republican President. It should take them 5 minutes to draft and pass an amendment to the statute clarifying the meaning of “aggravated felony”. They are not helpless in the face of rulings like this. Under the amendment, “aggravated felony” would be clearly defined to include residential burglary, nose picking, jaywalking and any crime that is punishable by a fine in excess of $100 or imprisonment in excess of 1 day. While you are at it, change “aggravated felony” to “any misdemeanor”. I would be glad to draft up the amendment for them – I wouldn’t even charge them. Why haven’t they passed that?

    There are a bunch of cases like this where the S. Ct. makes some cockeyed interpretation of a statute and yet Congress never fixes it. It’s a way of avoiding responsibility – oh, we are just the Congress and POTUS, what power do we have?

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  174. Jack D says:
    @Swede55

    I suggested poison gas as a joke. Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Can’t it just be a tragic accident? Who would want a bunch of hicks from upstate NY dead? Is it a plot to get rid of all white people 1 limo load at a time? Wouldn’t gas show up in the autopsy reports? Is the medical examiner in on the conspiracy? Maybe the dead are just actors like those children in Connecticut? Give me a break. I know that our MSM doesn’t deserve for us to believe them about anything, but it’s not ALL fake news.

    • Replies: @Swede55
    , @BenKenobi
    , @Art Deco
  175. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    I don’t know what kind of failure mode that was that turned on all the lights. Usually there is a separate “ABS” light – when this comes on your ABS system has failed but you still have normal braking as if the car was one from the pre-ABS era – if you stomp down hard on a slick surface instead of the ABS system pulsing the brakes for you, it will lock up. Or you can pump the pedal as we were taught in the old days.

    I had the ABS module go in my Audi a few years ago. The factory repair was to replace the whole thing which had an electronic part and a hydraulic part so not only was the part expensive (maybe $1,500) but there was a big labor cost because now you had to bleed all the brake lines. But, it turns out that the electronics are what go bad and if you remove a few screws you can remove the electronic module and send it off for repair without disturbing the hydraulics (the car remains drivable, just no ABS of course) – there was some guy on ebay who would fix it for $100 or something like that. He claimed it was better than new because the factory used some weak component that tended to fail and he replaced it with an upgraded part. Anyway it all went back together and worked perfectly for the rest of the time I owned the car.

  176. Sammler says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt

    This is counterproductive as well as counterfactual. The vast majority of immigrants would choose assimilation over departure or social ghettoization, without hesitation.

    Mass deportations are not needed, just an end to the current madness of empowering aliens.

    • Replies: @FO337
  177. prusmc says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Treason implies an obligation of loyalty to a country, nation, state or higher sovereign. These people have not an iota of loyalty to the US but are well protected and even favored over traditional Americans. Sad that the kind of loyalty that developed among second and third generation s of these valued immigrants never appeared. Classic examples refugees from Viet Nam and Cuba whose children despise the US along with our home grown academic leftist elite.
    But we are a nation of immigrants and according to General George Casey diversity is paramount and combat power not so much. So Let’s being even more in legal and illegal.

  178. Swede55 says:
    @Jack D

    My post was not in response to yours. I was merely contributing to the discussion something that others on the board had not seen.

    The owner was in Pakistan at the time of the accident. Coincidence?
    Would gas show up in the autopsy reports? Not if the medical examiner wasn’t looking for it, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  179. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi

    WTF are you talking about?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  180. prosa123 says: • Website

    A chlorine gas bomb in the limousine is an absurd idea, but I wonder if leaking exhaust could have asphyxiated the occupants, coming on gradually so that no one realized what was happening. It’s probably not likely, as emissions controls make car exhaust much less toxic than in the past (suicide by deliberate inhalation of exhaust rarely works today).

    Maybe this really was a one-in-a-million event, with 18 people dying in what should have been a survivable crash for at least some of them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  181. kihowi says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Cops are hilarious with that. They don’t say “we caught the guy” but “at this moment in time we apprehended the individual in question”.

    Well, of course it’s at this moment in time. And of course it’s the individual in question.

    A writer that I keep forgetting called that “the verbosity of the illiterate”. It’s related to the recognisably pompous writing style of teenagers and twentysomethings (and pulp fiction writers). Everything is juuuuuust a little off, like they don’t quite know how to use any of that fany language. The better at language you are, the more you can afford to use simple words.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Rob McX
  182. @Jack D

    You’re a lawyer, help me out…

    Is your attempt at rebuttal more of a tu-quoque-by-association, or a non sequitur? Or perhaps a contaminated red herring? :)

    • Replies: @FO337
  183. @Jack D

    Commercial air travel has become incredibly safe.

    With enough diversity, that could change. What is the average age of a white guy pilot and mechanic? I haven’t heard (yet) of the horrible whiteness of airline pilots and mechanics, but hey…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  184. J.Ross says: • Website

    I CAN FEEL THE BEER WORKING
    SCOTUS allows North Dakota voter ID law for upcoming election. It had been enjoined, or not enforced while they awaited the court result, during the primary. So primary turnout is not necessarily a guarantee of election turnout.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/north-dakota/articles/2018-10-09/high-court-leaves-north-dakota-voter-id-rules-intact-for-now

  185. BenKenobi says:
    @Anonymous

    I may have piled on the colloquialisms…

    “It may seem harsh to point out but FWIW only clubbing sluts would be found in a conveyance like that driven by a shady minority.”

  186. BenKenobi says:
    @Jack D

    Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Can’t it just be a tragic accident? Who would want a bunch of [jews from Europe] dead? Is it a plot to get rid of all [jews] 1 [gas van] at a time? Wouldn’t gas show up in the autopsy reports?

    I see you’ve been reading Mr. Unz’s American Pravda series, Jackie-boy.

  187. Jack D says:
    @prosa123

    Here is a case where a doctor killed his wife (and accidentally killed one of his daughters too) using a yoga ball filled with carbon monoxide:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hong-kong-doctor-accused-of-killing-wife-daughter-gas-filled-yoga-ball-today-2018-08-24/

    But I can’t imagine a motive for killing such a large group. Even if you intended to kill only some of them, doing it in such a high profile way means that there is going to be an intense investigation. I’m sure that they are going to be testing for toxins, examining the exhaust system for leaks, etc.

  188. Hunsdon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Two of the surprising things about people: how easy they are to kill, and how hard they are to kill. Folks have fallen from planes and survived (if not quite walked away).

  189. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack D

    I’ve used my agree, or I’d be using my agree.

  190. Art Deco says:
    @stillCARealist

    Certainly no seat belts and the crash must have been high speed. Wasn’t everyone killed in Princess Diana’s wreck too?

    1. No, three out of four occupants were killed. Two killed instantly, one died in the ambulance. Bodyguard survived.

    2. None were wearing seat belts. The driver had a blood alcohol level of 0.18 and they ploughed into a concrete pillar at over 80 miles per hour.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Jack D
  191. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Who would want a bunch of hicks from upstate NY dead? I

    Sentimental, aren’t you?

    The ‘hicks’ are profiled here:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/limo-crash-victims-identified-schoharie-new-york-2018-10-09/

    • Replies: @Jack D
  192. @Art Deco

    “Goodbye English Rose.
    We never knew you at all,
    all we ever wanted to do,
    was continue watching Saturday Night Live.”

    What, too soon? Too late?

    (The first 11 minutes from that same, near-best album of all time, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, featured Elton and his ROCK band much better. That’s Davey Johnston on guitar, Dee Murray on Bass, and Nigel Olson on drums.)

  193. @kihowi

    Yep. I notice that same stuff, Kihowi. Then, there are always “perpetrators”, not just burglars, speeders and stop-sign-roller-throughs. “At that point in time, I saw the perp in the vehicle traveling southbound at a high rate of speed across the intersection, your Honor.”

    One time the very fair judge (there are some) said “whoa, hold on, what do you mean ‘they ran the yellow caution light at the top of the hill’? Isn’t that perfectly legal?” “Uh, yeah, but all that other stuff …” I got a little worried, though, when the judge asked me before I pled “no contest” or some nonsense, “Hey, don’t I know you from somewhere?” I tried to come up with some possibilities, realizing though that he just knew me from being in traffic court earlier that summer. I didn’t want to jog his memory though!

  194. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    They look like fine people who will be sorely missed by their friends and families but (to their credit) they don’t appear to be the kind of people who would attract a GRU hit squad. So I stand by my earlier remark – who would want these good people, salt of the earth type people, dead?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  195. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Not true. The bodyguard WAS wearing his seat belt – that’s why he survived. In high speed crashes, seatbelts are a matter of life and death.

    http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9709/21/diana.investigation/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  196. @Joe Schmoe

    I was on a flight last Saturday and one of the stewards was a tall red-headed male with earrings and one of those haircuts that is long on top with shaved sides. I am old enough to remember when you could smoke in the back of the plane and the stewardesses were babes. Saw several pilot looking females in the airport.

  197. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    No, he wasn’t, and he’s been explicit in interviews that that datum was misreported in the media. By his account, being unbelted is standard practice for security personnel.

    • Replies: @FO337
  198. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    So I stand by my earlier remark

    Because you’re being a stubborn ass. ‘Hick’ is a pejorative for country dweller. Aside from your use of the pejorative, you’d be hard put to find one of these people who had a rural occupation. They had the same occupational mix you’d find just about anywhere. They just lived in non-metropolitan towns like Amsterdam, Watertown, and Oneonta.

  199. Art Deco says:
    @Swede55

    In a great many counties in New York, the coroner is an elected official, and such people are seldom forensic pathologists – undertakers or local GPs, generally. Inertia is immense in New York politics. It’s a passable guess that the coroner’s investigation will be perfunctory.

  200. Rob McX says:
    @kihowi

    I often watch true crime shows on YouTube, and I have to say cops are addicted to this circumlocutory logorrhoea. Everyone from high-ranking FBI agents to backwoods county sheriffs does it. They never talk about a man they found dead, it’s always “a male subject deceased”. It must waste tons of trees when they put it all down on paper.

  201. I was in Bar Harbor Maine last week, a place that can’t be much farther north or much more white. Yet doing some landscaping were the same immigrant types we have mowing lawns around here.

  202. Rapparee says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    McGowan must have found out it’s harder to drink yourself to death than it appears…

    A former co-worker of mine saw Shane MacGowan in concert a decade or two back. Mr. MacGowan emerged onstage, already very drunk, clutching a full, newly-opened fifth of whiskey. Just under two hours later, the bottle was empty. There’s a homeless man who hangs around Harvard Square who was once hired to work security at a Pogues concert during another epoch of his life; he only learnt after accepting the job that his most important task was baby-sitting Shane MacGowan in the off-hours, because the lead singer couldn’t safely be left alone. That Mr. MacGowan somehow survived to age sixty certainly isn’t for lack of trying.

  203. bomag says:
    @prosa123

    …the body would have accordioned.

    Crumple zones etc. have made vehicles quite capable of surviving high speed crashes.

    The killer was unbelted people in a large space.

  204. Tim says:
    @DuanDiRen

    That’s an excellent question. How many paid informants are there, And you ONLY mentioned Federal Agencies. What about the states and the cities?

    I used to be an Assistant District Attorney in Brooklyn, and I was at arraignment, open court, one night (NYC still has night court) and the Defense Counsel, trying to get his client released without bail said, “Your Honor, my client is a confidential informant.”

    I jumped up and said, “Not anymore, he’s not, you idiot.”

    The attorney was embarrassed for the slip, but neither he nor the “confidential informant” were overly worried about the fact that he’d just been compromised.

  205. FO337 says:
    @Jack D

    The CHMSL is an indicator here.

  206. FO337 says:
    @Art Deco

    He was caught fastening his belt as they drove away by security cam.

  207. FO337 says:
    @Sammler

    Mass deportations are not needed, just an end to the current madness of empowering aliens.

    A generation or two ago, this might have been accurate.

  208. FO337 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Important point is that Yankee Land no better than Third World!!

    Therefore! Must keep borders wide open to #CancelWhitePeople!!!

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