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From NBC29.com in Charlottesville, Virginia:

Black Lives Matter, Group Covers UVA Jefferson Statue, Lists Demands
Posted: Sep 12, 2017 7:03 PM PDT

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (WVIR) – A group has now covered the statue of Thomas Jefferson that sits in front of the University of Virginia Rotunda.

Dozens turned out with Black Lives Matter signs around 8 p.m. Tuesday. Three people were on the statue that is covered in black.

A sign on top of the covering read: “TJ is a racist and rapist.”

Back on August 13, 2017 I wrote:

I suspect that the tragedies today in Charlottesville might lead not only to the destruction of statues of Robert E. Lee, but, eventually, to the statues of Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson. It made Erdely feel unsafe that the blond no doubt glass-breaking students felt a cultural connection with Jefferson, a sense of heritage.

That’s not OK!

As I wrote in Taki’s a few days later:

But it’s precisely American history’s virtues, more than anything else, that enrage so many people these days against the great men of the American past. While the Founding Fathers might be nominally condemned for their misdeeds, they are largely resented for their accomplishments.

Human history suggests that people are naturally prejudiced in favor of their own ancestors, because the accomplishments of their forefathers reflect well upon them.

America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished. Instead, it’s heartening to denounce the Founding Fathers as bad men whose descendants deserve their displacement.

Punching down is safer and more fun than punching up. Hence the less dominant become the founding stock, the more their lineage is abused.

The University of Virginia is where Jefferson, as a building and landscape architect, more or less invented the American college campus, one of the most successful and prestigious design innovations in world history.

Jefferson’s genius is carved in the American landscape, which is what make him so especially intolerable.

 
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  1. Jack D says:

    The smashing of “false” idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature. We are born with a tendency to erect idols and a counter tendency to throw them down.

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    The smashing of “false” idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.
     
    Especially true when the idols being smashed are not from your group. In a multiculti society one culture's heroes may very well be another's villains.
    , @cwhatfuture
    Not this time I don't think. UVA has a very strong alumni base (including several members of my immediate family) and they are the ones who give the money. And they are going to let the Dean know what will happen if the nonsense doesn't stop.

    But why these SJWs chose to go to Virginia when there were hundreds of other universities with no Thomas Jefferson statues is a question. There are so many Thomas Jefferson free campuses. Of course you can also ask why the Muslim girl had to apply to the Citadel and demand to wear a hijab, when there were hundreds of other schools where there is no dress code at all, much less a military dress code. Or why students choose to go to Harvard and then demand that off-campus all male private clubs, which they knew existed before they applied, be made co-ed.
    , @Opinionator
    are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions serve?

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  2. Washington Park in Charlottesville was already renamed after Booker T. Washington in 2001.

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    • Replies: @Rifleman
    What is Mitt Romney going to do when they pull down the statues to racist lunatics Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?

    Is he going to take a side or say "there are no two sides" as he did in reaction to Trump's bungled Charlottesville comments?

    Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson.
     
    Remember, after losing the case in court Rolling Stone publisher Jan Wenner was invited to the White House by Obama to discuss the problem of "fake news" and how it can by countered by Truth and Science and Journalism.
    , @Jake
    If they read and understood Booker T. Washington, they would not want him honored.
    , @inertial
    Next step is to rename George Washington after Booker T. Washington.
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  3. Just a couple generations back, the musical 1776 portrayed Jefferson as a romantic figure with an attractive wife who adored him. Revivals of the musical still perform this number:

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  4. 11 Bravo says:

    This is great news. I really do hope they go after Jefferson and Washington. We’ll have a super majority after the 2018 mid terms.

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    Who is we?

    The main beneficiaries of this madness are the Ryan milquetoast brigade types.

    Abnormal Ds make Rs look normal. Any Rs. Normal wins.
    , @Daniel Williams

    I really do hope they go after Jefferson and Washington. We’ll have a super majority after the 2018 mid terms.
     
    Yeah, maybe we can finally get that amnesty Paul Ryan and John McCain seem to want so badly!
    , @Colleen Pater
    You seem to not get the way the left ratchet works, its good cop bad cop. The first proposes destroying the lincoln memorial because although he abolished slavery he thought back to africa was a good idea,and you're aghast, the second says thats a bit much much lets settle in the reasonable middle and destroy the Jefferson monument because although he was a revolutionary leftist egalitarian in theory he owned slaves in practice which is worse than thinking back to africa. now they have moved you left they come again and the bad cop suggests destroying the wilson memorial because although he was a progressive and didnt want to deport the niggers he didnt really think much of them, and the good cop says thats a bit radical why dont we be reasonable and destroy the lincoln memorial because he wanted to send the niggers back to africa. If at any point you disagree with both cops youre denounced as an extremist, far right , fascist, racist, Nazi, that wont be reasonable and settle in the reasonable middle.

    your supermajority of cucks will continue as they have for hundreds of years to ratchet ever leftward. They are actually the real enemy, they are the traitors that blink first and defect, conceding the lefts claim that left is the preferred direction to proceed from the present.The proper response is to propose something farther right than the current year and offer to settle somewhere between that and the current year.
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  5. 11 Bravo says:
    @Jack D
    The smashing of "false" idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature. We are born with a tendency to erect idols and a counter tendency to throw them down.

    The smashing of “false” idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

    Especially true when the idols being smashed are not from your group. In a multiculti society one culture’s heroes may very well be another’s villains.

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    Slightly off-topic, but for you non-geezer-vets out there, "eleven bravo" is the proper phonetic for 11B, which is —or at least was— the US Army MOS (i.e., military occupation specialty) code for Light Weapons Infantry (the eleven part), Rifleman (the B part). But everybody I knew back in the day who actually had/was MOS 11B used to call it "eleven bush" (this was long prior to the Bushes in the White House), or sometimes "eleven boonies".
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  6. @Jack D
    The smashing of "false" idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature. We are born with a tendency to erect idols and a counter tendency to throw them down.

    Not this time I don’t think. UVA has a very strong alumni base (including several members of my immediate family) and they are the ones who give the money. And they are going to let the Dean know what will happen if the nonsense doesn’t stop.

    But why these SJWs chose to go to Virginia when there were hundreds of other universities with no Thomas Jefferson statues is a question. There are so many Thomas Jefferson free campuses. Of course you can also ask why the Muslim girl had to apply to the Citadel and demand to wear a hijab, when there were hundreds of other schools where there is no dress code at all, much less a military dress code. Or why students choose to go to Harvard and then demand that off-campus all male private clubs, which they knew existed before they applied, be made co-ed.

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    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Why do kids stick other kids' heads in toilets and give them wedgies?

    No great mystery.
    , @Alden
    Are any alums doing anything to notify other alums what is going on at UVA?
    Did any alums withhold donations during the Rolling Stones rape hoax?
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    It's like people who move in next to airports and then complain about the noise.

    Seriously, years ago there was a big move to make jets quieter, after airports that were built out in open areas somehow became surrounded by homes full of people.
    , @Rod1963
    Because there is a certain type of person who deliberately likes to destroy other people's work. They delight in tearing society.

    They are savages at heart and mind. The high point of their existence is to smash something that others consider valuable.

    The same sort exists in the art world. They give us monstrosities like Piss Christ or the Dung maddonna or the garbage that fills the Guggenheim or a dozen other modern art museums.

    In earlier time they would have been living on skid row due to their incompetence and venality. But today in the era of "Civil Rights", "Women's Rights" and a out oc control legal system. They are given the equivalent of a sledge hammer to wreck society. And don't you dare touch them, because angry men with machine guns will come for you.
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  7. syonredux says:

    I suspect that the tragedies today in Charlottesville might lead not only to the destruction of statues of Robert E. Lee, but, eventually, to the statues of Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

    Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson. It made Erdely feel unsafe that the blond no doubt glass-breaking students felt a cultural connection with Jefferson, a sense of heritage.

    That’s not OK!

    Yeah. As I observed a while back, the shift in elite Jewish opinion regarding Jefferson is quite interesting:

    Pre-1965, American Jews revered Jefferson.For example, Monticello was acquired by Uriah Phillips Levy (the first Jewish commodore in the US Navy):

    Levy was a great admirer of Thomas Jefferson:[9]
    “I consider Thomas Jefferson to be one of the greatest men in history, the author of the Declaration and an absolute democrat. He serves as an inspiration to millions of Americans. He did much to mould our Republic in a form in which a man’s religion does not make him ineligible for political or governmental life.”
    The Monticello estate had been owned by more than one person since Jefferson’s death, and considerable property had been sold off. In 1834, Levy paid $2,700 for the 218-acre (88 ha) Monticello—which is equivalent to $64,800 in today’s dollars. Levy undertook to have the long-neglected home repaired, restored, and preserved. He also bought hundreds of additional acres that had been part of the plantation, to add to what was left.
    Levy used Monticello as a vacation home. From 1837 to 1839, his widowed mother Rachel Levy lived there until her death; she is buried along Mulberry Row, the main plantation street adjacent to the mansion.[10]

    Upon his death in 1862, Levy left Monticello to the American people to be used as an agricultural school for the orphans of Navy warrant officers. Because of the American Civil War, Congress refused to accept the donation. The Confederate government seized and sold the property; lawyers for Levy’s estate recovered the property after the war.
    Following two lawsuits by family members over Levy’s will, with 47 parties to the suit, in 1879 his nephew Jefferson Monroe Levy bought out the other heirs for $10,050, and took control of Monticello.[11] He had it repaired and restored. He sold it in 1923 to the Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation, which has renovated and restored the property as a house museum.

    And you can even discern the respect in Shapiro’s anti-UVA poem “University”:

    “And the true nobleman, once a democrat,
    Sleeps on his private mountain. He was one
    Whose thought was shapely and whose dream was broad;
    This school he held his art and epitaph.
    But now it takes from him his name,
    Falls open like a dishonest look,
    And shows us, rotted and endowed,
    Its senile pleasure.”

    Note how the contrast involves the gulf between Jefferson (“The true nobleman,” “Whose thought was shapely and whose dream was broad”) and the university, which “takes from him his name.”

    Nowadays, as evidenced by Erdely’s rape hoax article, things have been inverted, and the university is supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…

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    Ayn Rand's mostly Jewish cultists still seem to think highly of Jefferson. For example:

    Thomas Jefferson: Word and Deed

    https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2017-fall/thomas-jefferson-word-and-deed/
    , @Altai

    supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…
     
    And rapist of Sally Hemmings. That ones going to be coming up a lot.

    I can't find a release of the original analysis in 1998, just the conclusions. I'd be interested in another one being done with full transparency today. In fact with modern techniques we could actually give a go at IBD by exhuming Jefferson (Or a known degree descendant) and doing autosomal analysis, but to do that today would probably be seen as racist since it was all 'settled' in 1998.
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  8. Alden says:

    Didn’t T. Jefferson found UVA? And raise the money for the construction and design the campus and the early buildings?

    In my opinion every university and college in the country should be closed down tomorrow and every employee send to a re education camp supervised by me.

    Revenge will be mine.

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    • Replies: @Alice
    Not just founded U Va, but created it from his conception. He invented the American university, (as opposed to the divinity schools that became universities.) U Va was the first university in the US of A that taught no theology. It had scientific subjects of botany and astronomy, and the first engineering school as part of a university. He allowed for persons of any religious faith to attend. He believed it a greater achievement than the Declaration of Independence.
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  9. @11 Bravo
    This is great news. I really do hope they go after Jefferson and Washington. We'll have a super majority after the 2018 mid terms.

    Who is we?

    The main beneficiaries of this madness are the Ryan milquetoast brigade types.

    Abnormal Ds make Rs look normal. Any Rs. Normal wins.

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    • Replies: @11 Bravo

    The main beneficiaries of this madness are the Ryan milquetoast brigade types.
     
    They will be primaried. The GOP base has had its collective eyes opened by Trump. We've seen the Ryans and McConnells promise us this, that and the other over the years only to discover they had no intention of delivering once a president who would sign off was in office.

    My fear was that if RINOs got primaried the upstarts might lose in the general election. But if the democrats, or those perceived to be their base, attack TJ and GW, this won't be the case.
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  10. @Jack D
    The smashing of "false" idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature. We are born with a tendency to erect idols and a counter tendency to throw them down.

    are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions serve?

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    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions [overthrowing idols] serve?
     
    Naturally. Peep Exodus 34:

    13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Diversity, is a diverse God
    , @Achmed E. Newman


    are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

     

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions serve?
     
    I don't know about citations from the historical literature, but I can tell you that in the present age there are laws on the books about destruction of property and whatnot, for which people get citations or jail time for disobeying. That is was the difference between us and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

    Substitute Thomas Jefferson for the Big Buddha, and spray paint and sledge hammers for machine guns, and it's the same story. The difference is that the Taliban had the Afghans under their thumb, while, though they might think so, the antifa cntrl-left does not have us under control.
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  11. @cwhatfuture
    Not this time I don't think. UVA has a very strong alumni base (including several members of my immediate family) and they are the ones who give the money. And they are going to let the Dean know what will happen if the nonsense doesn't stop.

    But why these SJWs chose to go to Virginia when there were hundreds of other universities with no Thomas Jefferson statues is a question. There are so many Thomas Jefferson free campuses. Of course you can also ask why the Muslim girl had to apply to the Citadel and demand to wear a hijab, when there were hundreds of other schools where there is no dress code at all, much less a military dress code. Or why students choose to go to Harvard and then demand that off-campus all male private clubs, which they knew existed before they applied, be made co-ed.

    Why do kids stick other kids’ heads in toilets and give them wedgies?

    No great mystery.

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  12. Alden says:
    @cwhatfuture
    Not this time I don't think. UVA has a very strong alumni base (including several members of my immediate family) and they are the ones who give the money. And they are going to let the Dean know what will happen if the nonsense doesn't stop.

    But why these SJWs chose to go to Virginia when there were hundreds of other universities with no Thomas Jefferson statues is a question. There are so many Thomas Jefferson free campuses. Of course you can also ask why the Muslim girl had to apply to the Citadel and demand to wear a hijab, when there were hundreds of other schools where there is no dress code at all, much less a military dress code. Or why students choose to go to Harvard and then demand that off-campus all male private clubs, which they knew existed before they applied, be made co-ed.

    Are any alums doing anything to notify other alums what is going on at UVA?
    Did any alums withhold donations during the Rolling Stones rape hoax?

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    My family: 1) yes and 2) I don't know. But I know they will be contacting the dean over this incident tomorrow.
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  13. @syonredux

    I suspect that the tragedies today in Charlottesville might lead not only to the destruction of statues of Robert E. Lee, but, eventually, to the statues of Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

    Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson. It made Erdely feel unsafe that the blond no doubt glass-breaking students felt a cultural connection with Jefferson, a sense of heritage.

    That’s not OK!
     
    Yeah. As I observed a while back, the shift in elite Jewish opinion regarding Jefferson is quite interesting:


    Pre-1965, American Jews revered Jefferson.For example, Monticello was acquired by Uriah Phillips Levy (the first Jewish commodore in the US Navy):

    Levy was a great admirer of Thomas Jefferson:[9]
    “I consider Thomas Jefferson to be one of the greatest men in history, the author of the Declaration and an absolute democrat. He serves as an inspiration to millions of Americans. He did much to mould our Republic in a form in which a man’s religion does not make him ineligible for political or governmental life.”
    The Monticello estate had been owned by more than one person since Jefferson’s death, and considerable property had been sold off. In 1834, Levy paid $2,700 for the 218-acre (88 ha) Monticello—which is equivalent to $64,800 in today’s dollars. Levy undertook to have the long-neglected home repaired, restored, and preserved. He also bought hundreds of additional acres that had been part of the plantation, to add to what was left.
    Levy used Monticello as a vacation home. From 1837 to 1839, his widowed mother Rachel Levy lived there until her death; she is buried along Mulberry Row, the main plantation street adjacent to the mansion.[10]
     

    Upon his death in 1862, Levy left Monticello to the American people to be used as an agricultural school for the orphans of Navy warrant officers. Because of the American Civil War, Congress refused to accept the donation. The Confederate government seized and sold the property; lawyers for Levy’s estate recovered the property after the war.
    Following two lawsuits by family members over Levy’s will, with 47 parties to the suit, in 1879 his nephew Jefferson Monroe Levy bought out the other heirs for $10,050, and took control of Monticello.[11] He had it repaired and restored. He sold it in 1923 to the Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation, which has renovated and restored the property as a house museum.

     

    And you can even discern the respect in Shapiro’s anti-UVA poem “University”:

    “And the true nobleman, once a democrat,
    Sleeps on his private mountain. He was one
    Whose thought was shapely and whose dream was broad;
    This school he held his art and epitaph.
    But now it takes from him his name,
    Falls open like a dishonest look,
    And shows us, rotted and endowed,
    Its senile pleasure.”

    Note how the contrast involves the gulf between Jefferson (“The true nobleman,” “Whose thought was shapely and whose dream was broad”) and the university, which “takes from him his name.”

    Nowadays, as evidenced by Erdely’s rape hoax article, things have been inverted, and the university is supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…

    Ayn Rand’s mostly Jewish cultists still seem to think highly of Jefferson. For example:

    Thomas Jefferson: Word and Deed

    https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2017-fall/thomas-jefferson-word-and-deed/

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    According to our family mythology, my paternal grandmother Rose —one of the countless Ashkenazi immigrants arriving Ellis Island pre-WWI from Minsk or Pinsk or wherever— became associated with the generally more upscale and long-assimilated German-Jewish founded Settlement House movement (in the then-mostly downscale Jewish Lower East Side of NY) where her main contribution was assiduously translating Thomas Jefferson's writings into Yiddish. Knowing her well into my own adulthood, I could see her taking on something like that.
    , @syonredux

    Ayn Rand’s mostly Jewish cultists still seem to think highly of Jefferson. For example:

    Thomas Jefferson: Word and Deed
     
    Last time I checked, Ayn Rand doesn't seem to have much cachet in SJW circles......
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  14. @cwhatfuture
    Not this time I don't think. UVA has a very strong alumni base (including several members of my immediate family) and they are the ones who give the money. And they are going to let the Dean know what will happen if the nonsense doesn't stop.

    But why these SJWs chose to go to Virginia when there were hundreds of other universities with no Thomas Jefferson statues is a question. There are so many Thomas Jefferson free campuses. Of course you can also ask why the Muslim girl had to apply to the Citadel and demand to wear a hijab, when there were hundreds of other schools where there is no dress code at all, much less a military dress code. Or why students choose to go to Harvard and then demand that off-campus all male private clubs, which they knew existed before they applied, be made co-ed.

    It’s like people who move in next to airports and then complain about the noise.

    Seriously, years ago there was a big move to make jets quieter, after airports that were built out in open areas somehow became surrounded by homes full of people.

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  15. It’s looking like the whole idea of different kinds of people living in any kind of harmony was just a stupid idea.

    Every group is out for itself, except for white gentiles, whose history is being either distorted or just erased.

    Is the truth simply that whatever your kind, your group must compete for dominance over other groups and control of territory? Well…wasn’t that true for all of human history until very recently?

    The phrase “this will not end well” comes to mind.

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    • Replies: @Moses
    I've come to the same conclusion.

    Wildly different ethnic groups sharing a space leads only to intergroup strife and grinding conflict. Isn't it obvious by now?

    It's easy to understand why blacks and 3rd world immigrant groups seek to tear down European-American history and pride -- just another move in the racial group struggle for dominance.

    3rd worlder immigrants and blacks seek to supplant European-Americans. It really is that simple.
    , @AB-

    It’s looking like the whole idea of different kinds of people living in any kind of harmony was just a stupid idea.

    Every group is out for itself, except for white gentiles, whose history is being either distorted or just erased.

    Is the truth simply that whatever your kind, your group must compete for dominance over other groups and control of territory? Well…wasn’t that true for all of human history until very recently?

    The phrase “this will not end well” comes to mind.
     

    Wisest course of action is to start planning what you'll do when the US splits apart. Leftys in the big cities, everywhere else flyover country with very few leftys.

    The leftys have demonstrated the last 8 months that they will not be governed by Trump or his supporters in Congress. Once they get tired of ranting with no results, they'll ratchet up the violence; which we're just seeing the start of the last few months.

    It's going to get worse; a lot worse.

    So figure out what you need to defend yourself, have a supply of food and water (don't be like the morons in Florida and Texass who had 5 or 6 days warning and did nothing).

    Lacking an external threat to keep us somewhat together, it's splitsville....

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  16. J says:

    It seems that America is undergoing a mild version of the Cultural Revolution. The race issue is marginal. A new generation of leaders is trying to emerge, but in the end, like in China, the “princelings” will rule.

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    The kulaks weren't armed in the Cultural Revolution.
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  17. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished. Instead, it’s heartening to denounce the Founding Fathers as bad men whose descendants deserve their displacement.

    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don’t have shallow roots in the country, and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren’t WASPs. Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it’s known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point. Especially since American culture as it’s generally known around the world and by most Americans is so inextricably linked with mass media and pop culture, which WASPs never dominated and which arose when WASPs were on the decline.

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    • Replies: @bartok
    The phrase "special pleading" came to mind after reading Anon's comment.

    Please, tell us more about how White Americans are neither White nor American.
    , @syonredux

    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don’t have shallow roots in the country,
     
    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren’t WASPs.
     
    Irish Catholics and Jews resent WASPs to a greater degree than do other "Ellis Island class" Americans. And, of course, Jews are much more powerful than the Irish.

    Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it’s known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point.
     
    Black influence is largely confined to pop culture.In matters highbrow, they've accomplished little. As for Jews, their cultural influence was negligible prior to the 1920s....which engenders a certain measure of resentment for all that came before....
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  18. 11 Bravo says:
    @Desiderius
    Who is we?

    The main beneficiaries of this madness are the Ryan milquetoast brigade types.

    Abnormal Ds make Rs look normal. Any Rs. Normal wins.

    The main beneficiaries of this madness are the Ryan milquetoast brigade types.

    They will be primaried. The GOP base has had its collective eyes opened by Trump. We’ve seen the Ryans and McConnells promise us this, that and the other over the years only to discover they had no intention of delivering once a president who would sign off was in office.

    My fear was that if RINOs got primaried the upstarts might lose in the general election. But if the democrats, or those perceived to be their base, attack TJ and GW, this won’t be the case.

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  19. whorefinder says: • Website

    Since Antifa is now a terrorist group, as it should be, the alt-right should work on getting BLM listed as one as well (which it is). Then this nonsense can stop.

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  20. Luke Lea says:

    Thank God for dead white males. They pretty much invented modern civilization.

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  21. @11 Bravo

    The smashing of “false” idols (iconoclasm) or damnatio memoriae (in the case of political figures) are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.
     
    Especially true when the idols being smashed are not from your group. In a multiculti society one culture's heroes may very well be another's villains.

    Slightly off-topic, but for you non-geezer-vets out there, “eleven bravo” is the proper phonetic for 11B, which is —or at least was— the US Army MOS (i.e., military occupation specialty) code for Light Weapons Infantry (the eleven part), Rifleman (the B part). But everybody I knew back in the day who actually had/was MOS 11B used to call it “eleven bush” (this was long prior to the Bushes in the White House), or sometimes “eleven boonies”.

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    We just called it 11Bravo, 1Papa.

    That is an airborne Infantry soldier.
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  22. e says:

    Why is no asking these black snowflakes if they have slave traders in their ancestry? Most likely, many do.

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  23. @Alden
    Are any alums doing anything to notify other alums what is going on at UVA?
    Did any alums withhold donations during the Rolling Stones rape hoax?

    My family: 1) yes and 2) I don’t know. But I know they will be contacting the dean over this incident tomorrow.

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  24. Trelane says:

    Disrupters again. How dreadful. They’re despoiling the whole city. They hope to force us to accede to their demands. But why do they destroy art forms? That is a loss to everyone. Art means nothing to the Disrupters.

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    Sorry, Trelane, but we are not Stratos City Dwellers. The only ones who might be called that live in Manhattan penthouses, and they want the statues to come down.

    But that was one of the hottest chicks (wearing one of the best costumes) ever on Star Trek. She even made Spock horny.
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  25. CCZ says:

    And the Robert E. Lee elementary school in Tampa is now, tonight, burning in a multi-alarm fire, now mostly destroyed.

    http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/fire-raging-at-robert-e-lee-elementary-in-tampa/474235484

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    " The cause of the fire is unclear."


    BLMAntifa Volunteer Kerosine Brigade will blame it on Irma, anyway...


    What do you expect after the failure of Jordans rescue mission from Ft. Lauderdale's Foot Locker?



    https://youtu.be/-6-xokjS4PE
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  26. @11 Bravo
    This is great news. I really do hope they go after Jefferson and Washington. We'll have a super majority after the 2018 mid terms.

    I really do hope they go after Jefferson and Washington. We’ll have a super majority after the 2018 mid terms.

    Yeah, maybe we can finally get that amnesty Paul Ryan and John McCain seem to want so badly!

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  27. eah says:

    It’s like a live NAM version of ‘Lord of the Flies’ set amidst the growing ‘Anarcho-Tyranny’At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilization and social organization—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power.

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  28. @advancedatheist
    Ayn Rand's mostly Jewish cultists still seem to think highly of Jefferson. For example:

    Thomas Jefferson: Word and Deed

    https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2017-fall/thomas-jefferson-word-and-deed/

    According to our family mythology, my paternal grandmother Rose —one of the countless Ashkenazi immigrants arriving Ellis Island pre-WWI from Minsk or Pinsk or wherever— became associated with the generally more upscale and long-assimilated German-Jewish founded Settlement House movement (in the then-mostly downscale Jewish Lower East Side of NY) where her main contribution was assiduously translating Thomas Jefferson’s writings into Yiddish. Knowing her well into my own adulthood, I could see her taking on something like that.

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  29. bartok says:
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    America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished. Instead, it’s heartening to denounce the Founding Fathers as bad men whose descendants deserve their displacement.
     
    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don't have shallow roots in the country, and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren't WASPs. Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it's known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point. Especially since American culture as it's generally known around the world and by most Americans is so inextricably linked with mass media and pop culture, which WASPs never dominated and which arose when WASPs were on the decline.

    The phrase “special pleading” came to mind after reading Anon’s comment.

    Please, tell us more about how White Americans are neither White nor American.

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  30. bartok says:
    @e
    Why is no asking these black snowflakes if they have slave traders in their ancestry? Most likely, many do.

    Better yet, find the descendants of the slave ship owners. You’ll never guess the ethnicity of these enterprising merchants.

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  31. Dozens turned out with Black Lives Matter signs around 8 p.m. Tuesday. Three people were on the statue that is covered in black.

    Be careful, kids! Usual suspect Haven Monahan is still out there

    One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Huh! Oswald was a fag.

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  32. @Opinionator
    are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions serve?

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions [overthrowing idols] serve?

    Naturally. Peep Exodus 34:

    13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Diversity, is a diverse God

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  33. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished. Instead, it’s heartening to denounce the Founding Fathers as bad men whose descendants deserve their displacement.
     
    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don't have shallow roots in the country, and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren't WASPs. Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it's known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point. Especially since American culture as it's generally known around the world and by most Americans is so inextricably linked with mass media and pop culture, which WASPs never dominated and which arose when WASPs were on the decline.

    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don’t have shallow roots in the country,

    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren’t WASPs.

    Irish Catholics and Jews resent WASPs to a greater degree than do other “Ellis Island class” Americans. And, of course, Jews are much more powerful than the Irish.

    Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it’s known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point.

    Black influence is largely confined to pop culture.In matters highbrow, they’ve accomplished little. As for Jews, their cultural influence was negligible prior to the 1920s….which engenders a certain measure of resentment for all that came before….

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    As a WASP once said, "the business of America is business." American culture is a business and show business culture. It's a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it's the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard's Almanack.
    , @anonguy

    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.
     
    Grudge sounds like something baseless, unreasonable, or at least should have expired by now.

    Considering Blacks were held slaves for centuries by Anglo-American society, seems more of a grievance than a grudge.
    , @Flip
    I don't observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants. We are all sort of melding together into generic white people and the family's religion is negotiated on a case by case basis.
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  34. eah says:
    @eah
    It's like a live NAM version of 'Lord of the Flies' set amidst the growing 'Anarcho-Tyranny' -- At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilization and social organization—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power.

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  35. syonredux says:
    @advancedatheist
    Ayn Rand's mostly Jewish cultists still seem to think highly of Jefferson. For example:

    Thomas Jefferson: Word and Deed

    https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/issues/2017-fall/thomas-jefferson-word-and-deed/

    Ayn Rand’s mostly Jewish cultists still seem to think highly of Jefferson. For example:

    Thomas Jefferson: Word and Deed

    Last time I checked, Ayn Rand doesn’t seem to have much cachet in SJW circles……

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  36. Rifleman says:
    @BIFFGriffDiff
    Washington Park in Charlottesville was already renamed after Booker T. Washington in 2001.

    What is Mitt Romney going to do when they pull down the statues to racist lunatics Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?

    Is he going to take a side or say “there are no two sides” as he did in reaction to Trump’s bungled Charlottesville comments?

    Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson.

    Remember, after losing the case in court Rolling Stone publisher Jan Wenner was invited to the White House by Obama to discuss the problem of “fake news” and how it can by countered by Truth and Science and Journalism.

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    It was likely Wenner's arrogant videotaped deposition at Dean Eramo's libel trial that cost Rolling Stone the jury verdict. The judge had required Eramo achieve a high burden to win her case, but Wenner's smugness seemed to get the plaintiff over the top.

    Then Obama invited Wenner to the Oval Office a few weeks later.

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  37. Ron Unz says:

    Many of you may have already seen this very funny joke going around on Chinese social media the last few weeks about Chairman Mao coming back to life and having questions about the modern world. But for those who haven’t, here it is:

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    The hack of antifa showed most worked in education or their parents did. Education is extremely left wing, especially in America. Funny to think this wasn't always the case.
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  38. To make them feel better by equaling things out, perhaps UVA can erect a new bronze statue of Sabrina Rubin Erdely or Trayvon Martin. Then the white students would have something to throw rotten fruit at.

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  39. @Rifleman
    What is Mitt Romney going to do when they pull down the statues to racist lunatics Joseph Smith and Brigham Young?

    Is he going to take a side or say "there are no two sides" as he did in reaction to Trump's bungled Charlottesville comments?

    Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson.
     
    Remember, after losing the case in court Rolling Stone publisher Jan Wenner was invited to the White House by Obama to discuss the problem of "fake news" and how it can by countered by Truth and Science and Journalism.

    It was likely Wenner’s arrogant videotaped deposition at Dean Eramo’s libel trial that cost Rolling Stone the jury verdict. The judge had required Eramo achieve a high burden to win her case, but Wenner’s smugness seemed to get the plaintiff over the top.

    Then Obama invited Wenner to the Oval Office a few weeks later.

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  40. @Trelane
    Disrupters again. How dreadful. They're despoiling the whole city. They hope to force us to accede to their demands. But why do they destroy art forms? That is a loss to everyone. Art means nothing to the Disrupters.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5v2nz5

    Sorry, Trelane, but we are not Stratos City Dwellers. The only ones who might be called that live in Manhattan penthouses, and they want the statues to come down.

    But that was one of the hottest chicks (wearing one of the best costumes) ever on Star Trek. She even made Spock horny.

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  41. M_Young says:

    “invented the college campus”

    Don’t take this as a slight, but this is really your first new insight for a while. (How many of us have as many insights as you).

    It is certainly true. Continental European universities are pretty much built into the city. Scattered buildings in the urban core. Students live in hostels, eat at mensas. It has a certain charm, no doubt.

    British unis are built on the college system…self contained enclosures are are…well, enclosed.

    But ‘the campus’ — that’s certainly an American invention, a Thom. Jefferson invention as you so rightly point out.

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    The word "campus" was originally applied to Princeton University, by its President (and Declaration signer) John Witherspoon. Not sure how far UVA had gotten at that point.
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  42. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don’t have shallow roots in the country,
     
    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren’t WASPs.
     
    Irish Catholics and Jews resent WASPs to a greater degree than do other "Ellis Island class" Americans. And, of course, Jews are much more powerful than the Irish.

    Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it’s known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point.
     
    Black influence is largely confined to pop culture.In matters highbrow, they've accomplished little. As for Jews, their cultural influence was negligible prior to the 1920s....which engenders a certain measure of resentment for all that came before....

    As a WASP once said, “the business of America is business.” American culture is a business and show business culture. It’s a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it’s the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard’s Almanack.

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    As a WASP once said, “the business of America is business.” American culture is a business and show business culture. It’s a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it’s the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard’s Almanack.
     
    Dunno, dear fellow. Eliminate the WASP contributions, and America doesn't exist. You can't say that about the Blacks and the Jews......


    Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the ni[*****], they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
    Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ayxs69A
    , @3g4me
    @41 Anonymous: "Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard’s Almanack."

    That doesn't mean that American culture IS Hollywood, merely that it has been successfully marketed as such. And the marketers just happen to be members of that same heavily ethnocentric group that characterize Hollywood as well. Mere cohencidence? I think not.

    Pre- the worst-thing-that-ever-happened-to-any-people-anywhere-in-all-of-history AKA WWII, "America" was still a mythos to other people, but it actually was based on Poor Richard, on cowboys and Indians and big open spaces and big-hearted people. Read Alistair Cooke's reminiscences of his early American experiences. Read any notable foreigner's encounter with America before America was defined by Jews as made by and for Jews and other victims, and quite a different picture emerges. Far more Little House than All-of-a-kind-Family.
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  43. Whiskey says: • Website

    Its only a matter of time before Jefferson comes down at UVA. A week, tops. Once BLM goes after Jefferson in the Capitol, he’s toast there too. Mount Rushmore is toast as well.

    You see, Blacks have ABSOLUTE moral and political authority. GoodWhites WANT to submit and be led by them, its why Obama won twice. Despite breaking all his promises to help working class and middle class Whites. Most White women desire nothing more to submit to Black leaders, be they thinly closeted lesbians or poorly closeted gays.

    Its all about submission. It always has been — there is zero, zilch, nada capacity for us to “all just get along.” The boot will be either worn by your race kicking in another, or be worn by them kicking in you. Save expulsion to another country.

    There is no upside to taking on BLM for Administrations. Sure, enrollment could plummet, and donations dry up, but why would they care? They’ll just fire more adjunct professors and raise student fees and increase class sizes while cutting courses. They’ll do just fine. Meanwhile they will never, EVER have to contradict a Black person. Not ever. Not a single University President or administrator is even capable of doing so; and so for the vast majority are 99.9999999% of GoodWhites and I imagine most BadWhites as well.

    BLM would not pull this if they got attacked by another group of demonstrators, masked, who would beat them severely. And then run off protected by the police. Like anti-fa. BLM instead acts knowing that the police are there to protect them. I would imagine the statue goes by a week if they don’t just smash it first. The Jefferson Memorial and Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial will all go; as will the name Washington DC and the State of Washington and Mount Rushmore. It will be gone within six months. Led by Cuck Ryan and his band of cucks, who lack the spine and courage of a jellyfish.

    And no, this will not be electoral disaster. Who do you think will count the votes? Brave Sir Cuck Ryan and his followers, plus San Fran Nan and her followers, and Mitch aka Yertle the Turtle McConnell and Chucky Schumer. You can look forward to an all Dem-Cuck Congress pretty much outlawing everything White and male; and get ready to hand over most of your paycheck to BLM as “reparations” as that one is coming too. There is no stopping it: ALL and I do mean ALL the media, courts, government, police, military, White women, and GoodWhite men are behind it. As are pretty much all non-Whites. White males who are not GoodWhites are about what, 25% of the population at best? Pretty soon all the military and police will be purged as will Hollywood, the media, etc.

    Don’t think that most White women and non-Whites are not scheming on how to take over everything that does not involve steelworking and sewer inspecting from White men. I guess those they’ll let us “keep.”

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  44. @CCZ
    And the Robert E. Lee elementary school in Tampa is now, tonight, burning in a multi-alarm fire, now mostly destroyed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXZLAPI5ic

    http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/fire-raging-at-robert-e-lee-elementary-in-tampa/474235484

    ” The cause of the fire is unclear.”

    BLMAntifa Volunteer Kerosine Brigade will blame it on Irma, anyway…

    What do you expect after the failure of Jordans rescue mission from Ft. Lauderdale’s Foot Locker?

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  45. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    As a WASP once said, "the business of America is business." American culture is a business and show business culture. It's a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it's the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard's Almanack.

    As a WASP once said, “the business of America is business.” American culture is a business and show business culture. It’s a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it’s the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard’s Almanack.

    Dunno, dear fellow. Eliminate the WASP contributions, and America doesn’t exist. You can’t say that about the Blacks and the Jews……

    Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something… we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the ni[*****], they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
    Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

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    Yet, valued commenter, you cannot deny that America was made entirely out of cotton. Reparations now.
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  46. Rod1963 says:

    Budding little Maoists on the rampage. But predictable. Eventually they’ll go after GW and the book burnings will begin, then they came after us.

    I don’t expect them to meet any resistance as the establishment and the oligarchs are supporting it. They are in fact protecting and funding these modern day Visigoths.

    Look, if you want to reshape a society, you have to destroy it’s history, it’s culture, it’s collective memory. This is what the elites are doing through these disposable proxies. They couldn’t use the police or some other band of government thugs, that’s too obvious and would start a open rebellion that the elites would lose. So someone figured out to use proxies to do the dirty work.

    Very smart.

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  47. Rod1963 says:
    @cwhatfuture
    Not this time I don't think. UVA has a very strong alumni base (including several members of my immediate family) and they are the ones who give the money. And they are going to let the Dean know what will happen if the nonsense doesn't stop.

    But why these SJWs chose to go to Virginia when there were hundreds of other universities with no Thomas Jefferson statues is a question. There are so many Thomas Jefferson free campuses. Of course you can also ask why the Muslim girl had to apply to the Citadel and demand to wear a hijab, when there were hundreds of other schools where there is no dress code at all, much less a military dress code. Or why students choose to go to Harvard and then demand that off-campus all male private clubs, which they knew existed before they applied, be made co-ed.

    Because there is a certain type of person who deliberately likes to destroy other people’s work. They delight in tearing society.

    They are savages at heart and mind. The high point of their existence is to smash something that others consider valuable.

    The same sort exists in the art world. They give us monstrosities like Piss Christ or the Dung maddonna or the garbage that fills the Guggenheim or a dozen other modern art museums.

    In earlier time they would have been living on skid row due to their incompetence and venality. But today in the era of “Civil Rights”, “Women’s Rights” and a out oc control legal system. They are given the equivalent of a sledge hammer to wreck society. And don’t you dare touch them, because angry men with machine guns will come for you.

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  48. black sea says:

    A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if university administrators simply recognized that young people by nature want to push boundaries, but that it’s the responsibility of adults to establish where the boundaries lie, and what happens when you cross them.

    As an example, applicants to a university could be required to sign a statement stipulating the following:

    a) they have familiarized themselves with course requirements for the degree program to which they are applying.

    b) they accept the condition that course requirments and curriculum design are under the authority of the faculty and administration, not the students.

    c) students have certain mechanisms, such as course evaluations, student council meetings, and scheduled meetings with administrators, by which to voice comments, suggestions, or complaints about the curriculum and operations of the university.

    d) the interruption of scheduled class sessions, faculty meetings, student activities, and other university functions is not allowed, and will be met with disciplinary proceedings and — if warrented — criminal charges.

    e) intentional damage to or destruction of any campus property will be treated as a crminal matter, to be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.

    I could keep going, but I guess this is enough. Students who don’t want to take a course in Brititsh literature shouldn’t apply to a university that requires such a course. Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn’t apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds.

    If you sit down in an Italian restaurant, then insist that they serve you sushi, because you believe Italian food is unhealthy, the proprietor is entirely within his rights to refuse your request and recommend that you either order from the menu or find another place to eat.

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    "Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn’t apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds."

    That's not the point. They don't want anyone, anywhere, to have a statue of TJ on their property. They go to these places to intentionally dismantle institutions that they don't agree with. Calling them snowflakes is rhetoric intended to make them look weak and selfish. In reality, they're soldiers in a cultural war and should be treated as such.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    I agree with everything you say but your targeting of the brainwashed students is wrong headed.

    Instead I agree with youtube sensations Prof Jordan Peterson and Prof E Michael Jones.

    The only way to fix the problem is a taxpayer revolt demanding that colleges start by lowering tuition costs by 50 percent.

    For this to take place would require the whole sale removal of the Cult-Marx grievous studies curriculum and the firing of dozens of "Diversity" Deans and admins.

    No more (((Cultural Marxist))) professors stirring up impressionable undergrads and you kill campus PC culture.

    And instead of being burdened with a lifetime of student load debt millions of 100-115 IQ kids would be steered into trade schools.

    See Canadian Prof Jordan Peterson on this issue although he is thoroughly ALT-LIGHT in that he steadfastly refuses name TWMNBN who are the real source of the problem.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVjwzb7lZop0AoiEPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=jordan+peterson+cultural+marxism+fighting+on+campus&fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt

    On the other hand Prof E Michael Jones is fearless on the JQ and what it will take to end campus Cultural Marxism. Check out his dozens of youtube videos.
    , @3g4me
    @47 black sea: "A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if . . . "

    I see numerous comments almost daily at various sites with similar laundry lists of recommendations regarding how this or that complication of diversity and multiculturalism might be mitigated. And each and every time I wonder: Does it not occur to the poster that all such troubles are easily avoided by stopping said diversity and multiculturalism in the first place? Or, as I believe our esteemed host opined, "That's what separate countries are for."

    Stop over thinking things or limiting yourself to what might be permissible by your masters at the present time. Think big - such as a homeland for White people. Problem solved.
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  49. I went to school not too long ago at a college “affiliated” with Jefferson, shall we say.

    It never reached mainstream reporting, but his statue there was regularly vandalized, and you could hardly bring him up without somebody buzzing about the evil slaveowner or agitating for the statue’s removal. Quite a bit of uneasy half-resistance to this from the white male students, and from half-men at that.

    I’m hopeful that the Left will fight and die on this hill. I hope our controlled opposition joins them. A lot of people are going to realize that it’s basically illegal to quote our Founding Fathers in public.

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  50. @black sea
    A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if university administrators simply recognized that young people by nature want to push boundaries, but that it's the responsibility of adults to establish where the boundaries lie, and what happens when you cross them.

    As an example, applicants to a university could be required to sign a statement stipulating the following:

    a) they have familiarized themselves with course requirements for the degree program to which they are applying.

    b) they accept the condition that course requirments and curriculum design are under the authority of the faculty and administration, not the students.

    c) students have certain mechanisms, such as course evaluations, student council meetings, and scheduled meetings with administrators, by which to voice comments, suggestions, or complaints about the curriculum and operations of the university.

    d) the interruption of scheduled class sessions, faculty meetings, student activities, and other university functions is not allowed, and will be met with disciplinary proceedings and -- if warrented -- criminal charges.

    e) intentional damage to or destruction of any campus property will be treated as a crminal matter, to be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.



    I could keep going, but I guess this is enough. Students who don't want to take a course in Brititsh literature shouldn't apply to a university that requires such a course. Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn't apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds.

    If you sit down in an Italian restaurant, then insist that they serve you sushi, because you believe Italian food is unhealthy, the proprietor is entirely within his rights to refuse your request and recommend that you either order from the menu or find another place to eat.

    “Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn’t apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds.”

    That’s not the point. They don’t want anyone, anywhere, to have a statue of TJ on their property. They go to these places to intentionally dismantle institutions that they don’t agree with. Calling them snowflakes is rhetoric intended to make them look weak and selfish. In reality, they’re soldiers in a cultural war and should be treated as such.

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    The point is that if students applying to a university have to sign a statement ackowledging that defacement or destruction of university property will be handled as a criminal matter, and if the university actually carries through on such a policy, many such students will decide to either apply elsewhere or abide by the rules of the institution they have chosen to enroll in.

    They may be soldiers in a cultural war, but they're also kids who might conclude that a night spent in jail, followed by a court date, community service, a misdemeanor record, and the possibility of expulsion from the university isn't really worth a couple of hours of self-rightous gratification.
    , @Opinionator
    They go to these places to intentionally dismantle institutions that they don’t agree with.

    It isn't that they don't agree with them. That would imply they are acting on principle. They are trying to topple groups that have attributes they covet.
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  51. NickG says:

    It always impressed me that Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew never buried or sneered at the island city state’s colonial past and that the statues of Sir Stamford Raffles 1781 – 1826, founder of Singapore, are still prominent.

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  52. Fun story in the UVA Cavalier Daily:

    “It was just really unfortunate that as soon as the police officers show up, all these first-years are terrified,” Castillo said. “What we also know is that there were some undocumented students there who came out to make friends, which can be rough for undocumented students to do, and it really just hurt us.”

    According to Castillo, there had been alcohol present in both of the two Lawn rooms, but that it had run out by 10:30, leaving only the Latinx drink Horchata left, and the members shut down one of the rooms to consolidate the gathering to one space by the time the officers arrived.

    Why de yanqui policía gotta break up our undocumented Latinx Horchata fiesta? Tomás Yefferson ees raciss, mang.

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    Looks like white people need to find better heroes.

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  54. Altai says:
    @syonredux

    I suspect that the tragedies today in Charlottesville might lead not only to the destruction of statues of Robert E. Lee, but, eventually, to the statues of Charlottesville’s original Haven Monahan: that notorious rapist of a black body, Thomas Jefferson.

    Reading Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s masterwork “A Rape on Campus” three years ago, I was struck by how much the Rolling Stone writer feared and loathed that the University of Virginia, Charlottesville was founded and designed by Jefferson. It made Erdely feel unsafe that the blond no doubt glass-breaking students felt a cultural connection with Jefferson, a sense of heritage.

    That’s not OK!
     
    Yeah. As I observed a while back, the shift in elite Jewish opinion regarding Jefferson is quite interesting:


    Pre-1965, American Jews revered Jefferson.For example, Monticello was acquired by Uriah Phillips Levy (the first Jewish commodore in the US Navy):

    Levy was a great admirer of Thomas Jefferson:[9]
    “I consider Thomas Jefferson to be one of the greatest men in history, the author of the Declaration and an absolute democrat. He serves as an inspiration to millions of Americans. He did much to mould our Republic in a form in which a man’s religion does not make him ineligible for political or governmental life.”
    The Monticello estate had been owned by more than one person since Jefferson’s death, and considerable property had been sold off. In 1834, Levy paid $2,700 for the 218-acre (88 ha) Monticello—which is equivalent to $64,800 in today’s dollars. Levy undertook to have the long-neglected home repaired, restored, and preserved. He also bought hundreds of additional acres that had been part of the plantation, to add to what was left.
    Levy used Monticello as a vacation home. From 1837 to 1839, his widowed mother Rachel Levy lived there until her death; she is buried along Mulberry Row, the main plantation street adjacent to the mansion.[10]
     

    Upon his death in 1862, Levy left Monticello to the American people to be used as an agricultural school for the orphans of Navy warrant officers. Because of the American Civil War, Congress refused to accept the donation. The Confederate government seized and sold the property; lawyers for Levy’s estate recovered the property after the war.
    Following two lawsuits by family members over Levy’s will, with 47 parties to the suit, in 1879 his nephew Jefferson Monroe Levy bought out the other heirs for $10,050, and took control of Monticello.[11] He had it repaired and restored. He sold it in 1923 to the Thomas Jefferson Memorial Foundation, which has renovated and restored the property as a house museum.

     

    And you can even discern the respect in Shapiro’s anti-UVA poem “University”:

    “And the true nobleman, once a democrat,
    Sleeps on his private mountain. He was one
    Whose thought was shapely and whose dream was broad;
    This school he held his art and epitaph.
    But now it takes from him his name,
    Falls open like a dishonest look,
    And shows us, rotted and endowed,
    Its senile pleasure.”

    Note how the contrast involves the gulf between Jefferson (“The true nobleman,” “Whose thought was shapely and whose dream was broad”) and the university, which “takes from him his name.”

    Nowadays, as evidenced by Erdely’s rape hoax article, things have been inverted, and the university is supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…

    supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…

    And rapist of Sally Hemmings. That ones going to be coming up a lot.

    I can’t find a release of the original analysis in 1998, just the conclusions. I’d be interested in another one being done with full transparency today. In fact with modern techniques we could actually give a go at IBD by exhuming Jefferson (Or a known degree descendant) and doing autosomal analysis, but to do that today would probably be seen as racist since it was all ‘settled’ in 1998.

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    See Jared Taylor over at American Renaissance.

    Thomas Jefferson raping/sleeping with Sally Hemmings is pure Hollywood/Cultural Marxist propaganda based on long discredited 225 year old slander.

    Did Jefferson Sleep with His Slave?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=jrw-mfkGEdo
    , @Roger Bigod
    IIRC the Y chromosome DNA specimen was from a lock of Jefferson's hair. It could certainly be analysed for autosomes. The problem is that even with direct descendants it's been 7 generations or so, and any descendant is going to have less than 1% of his DNA on average. Many would have zero. And there's the problem that other relatives of Jefferson, especially Randolph and his sons may have shared the same parts of the genome.

    I'm descended from his g-grandfather William Randolph. Almost certainly no DNA in common with TJ. William Randolph was also an ancestor of Jefferson's wife and Sally. There's a portrait of Sally's mother and she looks like a Junior League white lady, very classy.

    I once did the Monticello tour on a psychedelic drug, hoping to have a mystical connection with TJ. Can't say it worked, but it was a late spring day with transcendental color gradations. It was after the Sally controversy, and I noticed that there was no way she could have gotten to his bedroom from the slave quarters quarters without being seen. The lawn would have been illuminated on a moonlit night and cleary visible from the second-floor bedrooms. And the tunnel would have had servants going to the kitchen or to take care of sick children. Everyone in the house would have known. The recent discovery of a possible bedroom under his quarters probably wouldn't have changed the situation.

    I'm agnostic about the issue. It's difficult enough to imagine a world in which slavery was part of everyday life. Miscegenation just adds more complexity.
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  55. dearieme says:

    It’s always a delight when The Left turns on The Left. So leftist attacks on Thomas Jefferson should be applauded. If ever there was a shyster advertising man, an Alinsky-style agitator, a fraudulent polymath, and an appallingly bad businessman, it’s TJ.

    Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness he preached. He fomented war, oppressed his slaves, and his followers pursued happiness by lynching Loyalists.

    Compared to a man of substance such as Washington or Franklin, he was just a gossamer figure.

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    It’s always a delight when The Left turns on The Left. So leftist attacks on Thomas Jefferson should be applauded.
     
    It's not Left vs Right anymore. The old rules of political cartography no longer apply.Our era is the epoch of race war: Black vs White, POC vs European, Latinx vs Anglo.
    , @Clark Westwood
    LOLWUT?
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  56. black sea says:
    @Aidan MacLear
    "Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn’t apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds."

    That's not the point. They don't want anyone, anywhere, to have a statue of TJ on their property. They go to these places to intentionally dismantle institutions that they don't agree with. Calling them snowflakes is rhetoric intended to make them look weak and selfish. In reality, they're soldiers in a cultural war and should be treated as such.

    The point is that if students applying to a university have to sign a statement ackowledging that defacement or destruction of university property will be handled as a criminal matter, and if the university actually carries through on such a policy, many such students will decide to either apply elsewhere or abide by the rules of the institution they have chosen to enroll in.

    They may be soldiers in a cultural war, but they’re also kids who might conclude that a night spent in jail, followed by a court date, community service, a misdemeanor record, and the possibility of expulsion from the university isn’t really worth a couple of hours of self-rightous gratification.

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  57. After Charlottesville, both Bill Moyers and Dan Rather dragged themselves in front of cameras and keyboards to do their Great Society act one more time. Spoiler alert: it’s Whitey’s fault. Will they say anything now if Jefferson’s statue is torn down? Would they say much if an angry BLM mob dragged Jimmy Carter out onto his lawn and beat him to death? Would they say anything if they themselves were dragged in front of a show trial for failing to end racism in their day? I doubt it. They’d probably love it.

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  58. I spent a year at UVA just a few years ago, and was hoping to stay. Charlottesville is genuinely a remarkable place.

    Having said that, it is genuinely strange how much ‘stuff’ has been happening in Charlottesville in the last three or four years. The Hannah Montana incident, the night of broken glass in response to it, a year later a white coed was raped and killed by a black hospital worker, the alt-right gathering and antifa response, this. Maybe I’m only paying attention because of my ties to the town and university; but the regularity of the school’s candlelight vigils, and newsbreaking cultural clashes, is genuinely odd (unlike say Athens, Georgia, or Ithaca, New York, or thousands of other small college towns. Only Berkeley, CA has a comparable regularity of events, and even they d0n’t have as many as UVA).

    I wouldn’t have believed in conspiracy theories (is (((someone))) targetting UVA for some reason?), but it does make you go hmmmm…..

    joe

    “Compared to a man of substance such as Washington or Franklin, he was just a gossamer figure.”

    Perhaps; but compared to Washington and Franklin, aren’t we all?

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  59. dr kill says:

    Correct. Consider that casting agents think Nic Cage is a suitable action hero. Even that little twink Tom (55yo, 170 cm ) Cruise is better than Nic. Where is the American actor to replace Bruce ( 62yo, 183 cm ) Willis?

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  60. Good, hope they pull TJ down with their Black Lives Matter signs held high and proud.

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  61. Pericles says:
    @syonredux

    As a WASP once said, “the business of America is business.” American culture is a business and show business culture. It’s a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it’s the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard’s Almanack.
     
    Dunno, dear fellow. Eliminate the WASP contributions, and America doesn't exist. You can't say that about the Blacks and the Jews......


    Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the ni[*****], they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
    Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ayxs69A

    Yet, valued commenter, you cannot deny that America was made entirely out of cotton. Reparations now.

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    you cannot deny that America was made entirely out of cotton.
     
    That's not true. America was built on a foundation of broken black bodies. Perhaps all was cotton except the foundation?
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  62. Yak-15 says:

    I know a black guy named Jefferson Davis. Is he supposed to change his name to something more woke like DaSahauntus X? I bet 99 pct of blacks do not know that name… I bet 9/10 of these protesters would not recognize it either.

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  63. Arclight says:

    It must be infuriating to live in a society in which there are reminders all around that the wealthiest and most successful society in human history was built by people other than yours. The attempts to tear town monuments and history by the diverse is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation.

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    If you're an American citizen, then Thomas Jefferson is one of your people.
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  64. Food historian Michael Twitty was giving a talk the other day about his new book, and a demonstration of cooking from the Colonial Era, at what he kept referring to on social media as “Monticello, Thomas Jefferson’s slave plantation.” https://www.monticello.org/site/blog-and-community/look-cooking-gene-michael-twitty

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  65. @Opinionator
    are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions serve?

    are both very ancient practices rooted deep in human nature.

    Cite? Is there literature discussing the purpose that such actions serve?

    I don’t know about citations from the historical literature, but I can tell you that in the present age there are laws on the books about destruction of property and whatnot, for which people get citations or jail time for disobeying. That is was the difference between us and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

    Substitute Thomas Jefferson for the Big Buddha, and spray paint and sledge hammers for machine guns, and it’s the same story. The difference is that the Taliban had the Afghans under their thumb, while, though they might think so, the antifa cntrl-left does not have us under control.

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  66. Philadelphia has come up with a new, less destructive way to deal with evil white statues: You neutralize their bad ju-ju by erecting a black statue nearby.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/arts/mural-arts-adds-an-afro-pick-sculpture-to-the-plaza-with-rizzos-statue-20170912.html

    This follows the great American tradition* of making Christian iconography acceptable by surrounding it with non-Christian signage. E.g., Christmas tree in the town square is OK if you put a menorah on one side and Kris Kringle on the other; Ten Commandments in the courthouse are OK if you put the Code of Hammurabi next to them; etc.

    NTTAWWT. It beats tearing down the old ones, at least.

    *Tradition of 30 years, that is.

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  67. Barnard says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Fun story in the UVA Cavalier Daily:

    “It was just really unfortunate that as soon as the police officers show up, all these first-years are terrified,” Castillo said. “What we also know is that there were some undocumented students there who came out to make friends, which can be rough for undocumented students to do, and it really just hurt us.”

    According to Castillo, there had been alcohol present in both of the two Lawn rooms, but that it had run out by 10:30, leaving only the Latinx drink Horchata left, and the members shut down one of the rooms to consolidate the gathering to one space by the time the officers arrived.
     
    Why de yanqui policía gotta break up our undocumented Latinx Horchata fiesta? Tomás Yefferson ees raciss, mang.

    The average college student now considers it an unalienable right to consume vast quantities of alcohol in public. They also believe they should be held responsible for any of their actions after having done this. Any laws regarding the legal drinking age, open containers, public intoxication or driving under the influence are not applicable to them.

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  68. Jake says:
    @BIFFGriffDiff
    Washington Park in Charlottesville was already renamed after Booker T. Washington in 2001.

    If they read and understood Booker T. Washington, they would not want him honored.

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    They could use Harold Washington, the mayor of Chicago. He was probably gay on top of being black.
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  69. Jake says:

    It is a given: all attacks on any Confederate or any Southerner are part of the war against all white Christian peoples and cultures.

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  70. LondonBob says:
    @Ron Unz
    Many of you may have already seen this very funny joke going around on Chinese social media the last few weeks about Chairman Mao coming back to life and having questions about the modern world. But for those who haven't, here it is:

    https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ChairmanMaoAgain.jpeg

    The hack of antifa showed most worked in education or their parents did. Education is extremely left wing, especially in America. Funny to think this wasn’t always the case.

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  71. syonredux says:
    @dearieme
    It's always a delight when The Left turns on The Left. So leftist attacks on Thomas Jefferson should be applauded. If ever there was a shyster advertising man, an Alinsky-style agitator, a fraudulent polymath, and an appallingly bad businessman, it's TJ.

    Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness he preached. He fomented war, oppressed his slaves, and his followers pursued happiness by lynching Loyalists.

    Compared to a man of substance such as Washington or Franklin, he was just a gossamer figure.

    It’s always a delight when The Left turns on The Left. So leftist attacks on Thomas Jefferson should be applauded.

    It’s not Left vs Right anymore. The old rules of political cartography no longer apply.Our era is the epoch of race war: Black vs White, POC vs European, Latinx vs Anglo.

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    Wow, what did you eat for breakfast? This seems like a stronger tone than normal for you.
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  72. Moses says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    It's looking like the whole idea of different kinds of people living in any kind of harmony was just a stupid idea.

    Every group is out for itself, except for white gentiles, whose history is being either distorted or just erased.

    Is the truth simply that whatever your kind, your group must compete for dominance over other groups and control of territory? Well...wasn't that true for all of human history until very recently?

    The phrase "this will not end well" comes to mind.

    I’ve come to the same conclusion.

    Wildly different ethnic groups sharing a space leads only to intergroup strife and grinding conflict. Isn’t it obvious by now?

    It’s easy to understand why blacks and 3rd world immigrant groups seek to tear down European-American history and pride — just another move in the racial group struggle for dominance.

    3rd worlder immigrants and blacks seek to supplant European-Americans. It really is that simple.

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    At what point did you come to that conclusion? It is interesting when people change their minds.
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  73. @11 Bravo
    This is great news. I really do hope they go after Jefferson and Washington. We'll have a super majority after the 2018 mid terms.

    You seem to not get the way the left ratchet works, its good cop bad cop. The first proposes destroying the lincoln memorial because although he abolished slavery he thought back to africa was a good idea,and you’re aghast, the second says thats a bit much much lets settle in the reasonable middle and destroy the Jefferson monument because although he was a revolutionary leftist egalitarian in theory he owned slaves in practice which is worse than thinking back to africa. now they have moved you left they come again and the bad cop suggests destroying the wilson memorial because although he was a progressive and didnt want to deport the niggers he didnt really think much of them, and the good cop says thats a bit radical why dont we be reasonable and destroy the lincoln memorial because he wanted to send the niggers back to africa. If at any point you disagree with both cops youre denounced as an extremist, far right , fascist, racist, Nazi, that wont be reasonable and settle in the reasonable middle.

    your supermajority of cucks will continue as they have for hundreds of years to ratchet ever leftward. They are actually the real enemy, they are the traitors that blink first and defect, conceding the lefts claim that left is the preferred direction to proceed from the present.The proper response is to propose something farther right than the current year and offer to settle somewhere between that and the current year.

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  74. “Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself.
    Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared.
    The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation.
    The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it.
    And, superiority excites envy.
    Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.”
    Joseph Sobran, April 1997

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  75. @Arclight
    It must be infuriating to live in a society in which there are reminders all around that the wealthiest and most successful society in human history was built by people other than yours. The attempts to tear town monuments and history by the diverse is the ultimate act of cultural appropriation.

    If you’re an American citizen, then Thomas Jefferson is one of your people.

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  76. inertial says:
    @BIFFGriffDiff
    Washington Park in Charlottesville was already renamed after Booker T. Washington in 2001.

    Next step is to rename George Washington after Booker T. Washington.

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  77. @dearieme
    It's always a delight when The Left turns on The Left. So leftist attacks on Thomas Jefferson should be applauded. If ever there was a shyster advertising man, an Alinsky-style agitator, a fraudulent polymath, and an appallingly bad businessman, it's TJ.

    Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness he preached. He fomented war, oppressed his slaves, and his followers pursued happiness by lynching Loyalists.

    Compared to a man of substance such as Washington or Franklin, he was just a gossamer figure.

    LOLWUT?

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  78. @Altai

    supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…
     
    And rapist of Sally Hemmings. That ones going to be coming up a lot.

    I can't find a release of the original analysis in 1998, just the conclusions. I'd be interested in another one being done with full transparency today. In fact with modern techniques we could actually give a go at IBD by exhuming Jefferson (Or a known degree descendant) and doing autosomal analysis, but to do that today would probably be seen as racist since it was all 'settled' in 1998.

    See Jared Taylor over at American Renaissance.

    Thomas Jefferson raping/sleeping with Sally Hemmings is pure Hollywood/Cultural Marxist propaganda based on long discredited 225 year old slander.

    Did Jefferson Sleep with His Slave?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=jrw-mfkGEdo

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  79. We used to be “Red, White, and Blue”;
    Now the three are dividing in two.
    Civil Peace, it appears,
    Is a matter of years
    Before Mars is ascendant anew.

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  80. @Aidan MacLear
    "Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn’t apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds."

    That's not the point. They don't want anyone, anywhere, to have a statue of TJ on their property. They go to these places to intentionally dismantle institutions that they don't agree with. Calling them snowflakes is rhetoric intended to make them look weak and selfish. In reality, they're soldiers in a cultural war and should be treated as such.

    They go to these places to intentionally dismantle institutions that they don’t agree with.

    It isn’t that they don’t agree with them. That would imply they are acting on principle. They are trying to topple groups that have attributes they covet.

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  81. @black sea
    A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if university administrators simply recognized that young people by nature want to push boundaries, but that it's the responsibility of adults to establish where the boundaries lie, and what happens when you cross them.

    As an example, applicants to a university could be required to sign a statement stipulating the following:

    a) they have familiarized themselves with course requirements for the degree program to which they are applying.

    b) they accept the condition that course requirments and curriculum design are under the authority of the faculty and administration, not the students.

    c) students have certain mechanisms, such as course evaluations, student council meetings, and scheduled meetings with administrators, by which to voice comments, suggestions, or complaints about the curriculum and operations of the university.

    d) the interruption of scheduled class sessions, faculty meetings, student activities, and other university functions is not allowed, and will be met with disciplinary proceedings and -- if warrented -- criminal charges.

    e) intentional damage to or destruction of any campus property will be treated as a crminal matter, to be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.



    I could keep going, but I guess this is enough. Students who don't want to take a course in Brititsh literature shouldn't apply to a university that requires such a course. Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn't apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds.

    If you sit down in an Italian restaurant, then insist that they serve you sushi, because you believe Italian food is unhealthy, the proprietor is entirely within his rights to refuse your request and recommend that you either order from the menu or find another place to eat.

    I agree with everything you say but your targeting of the brainwashed students is wrong headed.

    Instead I agree with youtube sensations Prof Jordan Peterson and Prof E Michael Jones.

    The only way to fix the problem is a taxpayer revolt demanding that colleges start by lowering tuition costs by 50 percent.

    For this to take place would require the whole sale removal of the Cult-Marx grievous studies curriculum and the firing of dozens of “Diversity” Deans and admins.

    No more (((Cultural Marxist))) professors stirring up impressionable undergrads and you kill campus PC culture.

    And instead of being burdened with a lifetime of student load debt millions of 100-115 IQ kids would be steered into trade schools.

    See Canadian Prof Jordan Peterson on this issue although he is thoroughly ALT-LIGHT in that he steadfastly refuses name TWMNBN who are the real source of the problem.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVjwzb7lZop0AoiEPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw–?p=jordan+peterson+cultural+marxism+fighting+on+campus&fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt

    On the other hand Prof E Michael Jones is fearless on the JQ and what it will take to end campus Cultural Marxism. Check out his dozens of youtube videos.

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  82. AB- says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    It's looking like the whole idea of different kinds of people living in any kind of harmony was just a stupid idea.

    Every group is out for itself, except for white gentiles, whose history is being either distorted or just erased.

    Is the truth simply that whatever your kind, your group must compete for dominance over other groups and control of territory? Well...wasn't that true for all of human history until very recently?

    The phrase "this will not end well" comes to mind.

    It’s looking like the whole idea of different kinds of people living in any kind of harmony was just a stupid idea.

    Every group is out for itself, except for white gentiles, whose history is being either distorted or just erased.

    Is the truth simply that whatever your kind, your group must compete for dominance over other groups and control of territory? Well…wasn’t that true for all of human history until very recently?

    The phrase “this will not end well” comes to mind.

    Wisest course of action is to start planning what you’ll do when the US splits apart. Leftys in the big cities, everywhere else flyover country with very few leftys.

    The leftys have demonstrated the last 8 months that they will not be governed by Trump or his supporters in Congress. Once they get tired of ranting with no results, they’ll ratchet up the violence; which we’re just seeing the start of the last few months.

    It’s going to get worse; a lot worse.

    So figure out what you need to defend yourself, have a supply of food and water (don’t be like the morons in Florida and Texass who had 5 or 6 days warning and did nothing).

    Lacking an external threat to keep us somewhat together, it’s splitsville….

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  83. anonguy says:
    @syonredux

    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don’t have shallow roots in the country,
     
    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren’t WASPs.
     
    Irish Catholics and Jews resent WASPs to a greater degree than do other "Ellis Island class" Americans. And, of course, Jews are much more powerful than the Irish.

    Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it’s known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point.
     
    Black influence is largely confined to pop culture.In matters highbrow, they've accomplished little. As for Jews, their cultural influence was negligible prior to the 1920s....which engenders a certain measure of resentment for all that came before....

    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    Grudge sounds like something baseless, unreasonable, or at least should have expired by now.

    Considering Blacks were held slaves for centuries by Anglo-American society, seems more of a grievance than a grudge.

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    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    Grudge sounds like something baseless, unreasonable, or at least should have expired by now.

    Considering Blacks were held slaves for centuries by Anglo-American society, seems more of a grievance than a grudge.
     
    Don't be so old fashioned. The hip thing nowadays is for people with black bodies to be up in arms over redlining and the criminalization of "minor offenses":

    End Policing of Minor "Broken Windows" Offenses

    The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

    Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
    Marijuana Possession
    Disorderly Conduct
    Trespassing
    Loitering
    Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
    Spitting
    Jaywalking
    Bicycling on the Sidewalk
     
    https://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/#brokenwindows
    , @BB753
    I don't believe for a second that Blacks still resent slavery. It's too far back in their past. It's a show they put on. I do believe however, that they're still sore about Jim Crow and segregation. After all, many older Blacks today lived that era and have passed on their resentment to their children and grandchildren. Never mind that most Blacks were materially better off under segregation, they wanted the same stuff Whites had, including the same rights, though they were not ready and aren't still ready to function in society up to white standards.
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  84. res says:
    @Pericles
    Yet, valued commenter, you cannot deny that America was made entirely out of cotton. Reparations now.

    you cannot deny that America was made entirely out of cotton.

    That’s not true. America was built on a foundation of broken black bodies. Perhaps all was cotton except the foundation?

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  85. @J
    It seems that America is undergoing a mild version of the Cultural Revolution. The race issue is marginal. A new generation of leaders is trying to emerge, but in the end, like in China, the "princelings" will rule.

    The kulaks weren’t armed in the Cultural Revolution.

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  86. 3g4me says:
    @Anonymous
    As a WASP once said, "the business of America is business." American culture is a business and show business culture. It's a middle brow and popular culture, not a highbrow one. And it's the product of the rise of mass broadcast media over the past century. Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard's Almanack.

    @41 Anonymous: “Americans and foreigners alike experience and understand American culture as Hollywood and Netflix, not Poor Richard’s Almanack.”

    That doesn’t mean that American culture IS Hollywood, merely that it has been successfully marketed as such. And the marketers just happen to be members of that same heavily ethnocentric group that characterize Hollywood as well. Mere cohencidence? I think not.

    Pre- the worst-thing-that-ever-happened-to-any-people-anywhere-in-all-of-history AKA WWII, “America” was still a mythos to other people, but it actually was based on Poor Richard, on cowboys and Indians and big open spaces and big-hearted people. Read Alistair Cooke’s reminiscences of his early American experiences. Read any notable foreigner’s encounter with America before America was defined by Jews as made by and for Jews and other victims, and quite a different picture emerges. Far more Little House than All-of-a-kind-Family.

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  87. Flip says:
    @11 Bravo

    The main beneficiaries of this madness are the Ryan milquetoast brigade types.
     
    They will be primaried. The GOP base has had its collective eyes opened by Trump. We've seen the Ryans and McConnells promise us this, that and the other over the years only to discover they had no intention of delivering once a president who would sign off was in office.

    My fear was that if RINOs got primaried the upstarts might lose in the general election. But if the democrats, or those perceived to be their base, attack TJ and GW, this won't be the case.

    I’d rather be in opposition to Democrats than have Ryan and Romney types in power.

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  88. Flip says:
    @syonredux

    But this is being pushed by the Black Lives Matter crowd and by Jewish media figures. Blacks don’t have shallow roots in the country,
     
    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    and if Jews do, then so do the great number of whites in the country who aren’t WASPs.
     
    Irish Catholics and Jews resent WASPs to a greater degree than do other "Ellis Island class" Americans. And, of course, Jews are much more powerful than the Irish.

    Moreover, both groups have had a greater influence on shaping American culture as it’s known abroad and domestically, arguably even more than WASPs have at this point.
     
    Black influence is largely confined to pop culture.In matters highbrow, they've accomplished little. As for Jews, their cultural influence was negligible prior to the 1920s....which engenders a certain measure of resentment for all that came before....

    I don’t observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants. We are all sort of melding together into generic white people and the family’s religion is negotiated on a case by case basis.

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    Yeah, but now Christianity is dying out. So maybe that lovely pluralism had massive downsides. Don't get me wrong, sectarian violence and civil war ain't great either.
    , @syonredux

    I don’t observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants.
     
    I've run into more than a few few Irish Catholics who are still nursing grievances going back to Cromwell's day.....
    , @Brutusale
    They're awfully thick on the ground here in Boston.
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  89. Flip says:
    @Jake
    If they read and understood Booker T. Washington, they would not want him honored.

    They could use Harold Washington, the mayor of Chicago. He was probably gay on top of being black.

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  90. 3g4me says:
    @black sea
    A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if university administrators simply recognized that young people by nature want to push boundaries, but that it's the responsibility of adults to establish where the boundaries lie, and what happens when you cross them.

    As an example, applicants to a university could be required to sign a statement stipulating the following:

    a) they have familiarized themselves with course requirements for the degree program to which they are applying.

    b) they accept the condition that course requirments and curriculum design are under the authority of the faculty and administration, not the students.

    c) students have certain mechanisms, such as course evaluations, student council meetings, and scheduled meetings with administrators, by which to voice comments, suggestions, or complaints about the curriculum and operations of the university.

    d) the interruption of scheduled class sessions, faculty meetings, student activities, and other university functions is not allowed, and will be met with disciplinary proceedings and -- if warrented -- criminal charges.

    e) intentional damage to or destruction of any campus property will be treated as a crminal matter, to be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.



    I could keep going, but I guess this is enough. Students who don't want to take a course in Brititsh literature shouldn't apply to a university that requires such a course. Students who object to a statue of Thomas Jefferson shouldn't apply to a university with such a statue on its grounds.

    If you sit down in an Italian restaurant, then insist that they serve you sushi, because you believe Italian food is unhealthy, the proprietor is entirely within his rights to refuse your request and recommend that you either order from the menu or find another place to eat.

    @47 black sea: “A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if . . . ”

    I see numerous comments almost daily at various sites with similar laundry lists of recommendations regarding how this or that complication of diversity and multiculturalism might be mitigated. And each and every time I wonder: Does it not occur to the poster that all such troubles are easily avoided by stopping said diversity and multiculturalism in the first place? Or, as I believe our esteemed host opined, “That’s what separate countries are for.”

    Stop over thinking things or limiting yourself to what might be permissible by your masters at the present time. Think big – such as a homeland for White people. Problem solved.

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    I agree, in the sense that I realize no major university would implement what I suggested here. Theoretically, they could, but in reality, they wouldn't even consider it. The larger culture makes it impossible.

    Maybe a place like Hillsdale College would, but then again, they probably wouldn't have to.
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  91. hhsiii says:

    Just walked by Saint-Gaudens’ statue of Sherman next to Central Park and thought that might have to come down. Not for waging total war on the South, but for the post-war indian campaigns. “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children.” That’s not gonna fly if the SJWs ever get around to reading about it.

    Interesting that statue went up in the early 1900s. Anti-confederate statue folks like to make a big deal those statues went up 50 years after the war and supposedly had more to do with Jim Crow than actually commemorating the dead, but statues were going up to both sides, as the generation that lived through it was dying off.

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    I am visiting my inlaws in Huntsville Alabama, otherwise known as Rocket City, USA. At the Redstone Arsenal here, there is a monument to the buffalo soldiers. The buffalo soldiers were Blacks famous for killing Native Americans. Should that monument also be taken down?
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  92. The President of the University wrote an amazingly condescending, “say nothing” letter. She must really have a low opinion of the UVA alumni. The worst sentence in the entire letter:

    “I strongly disagree with the protesters’ decision to cover the Jefferson statue.” What the hell? Their decision?

    “I strongly disagree with Haven Monahan’s decision to rape you.”

    I don’t recall that.

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  93. @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    Slightly off-topic, but for you non-geezer-vets out there, "eleven bravo" is the proper phonetic for 11B, which is —or at least was— the US Army MOS (i.e., military occupation specialty) code for Light Weapons Infantry (the eleven part), Rifleman (the B part). But everybody I knew back in the day who actually had/was MOS 11B used to call it "eleven bush" (this was long prior to the Bushes in the White House), or sometimes "eleven boonies".

    We just called it 11Bravo, 1Papa.

    That is an airborne Infantry soldier.

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  94. pyrrhus says:

    Stupid people with short time horizons are often born with the desire to destroy people like Jefferson, because great individuals make them feel hopelessly inferior. Civilized countries clamp down hard on such mob rule, as Napolean did with his “whiff of grapeshot”…..

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  95. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Basically everything that happened before Lincoln is in the process of being wiped clean and eventually memory holed. 1860 will become more significant than 1776, if it isn’t already.

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    Basically everything that happened before Lincoln is in the process of being wiped clean and eventually memory holed. 1860 will become more significant than 1776, if it isn’t already.
     
    Dunno. America from 1860 to 1965 was pretty White......And full of Bad Whites like Lincoln (he wanted to deport freed Blacks!), Woodrow Wilson (he actually liked Birth of a Nation! , FDR (Satanic founder of Redlining), Eisenhower (the monstrous racist who gave us Operation Wetback), etc.....

    Perhaps 1965 should be our Year Zero.....

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  96. @Altai

    supposed to be ashamed of its slave-owning founder…
     
    And rapist of Sally Hemmings. That ones going to be coming up a lot.

    I can't find a release of the original analysis in 1998, just the conclusions. I'd be interested in another one being done with full transparency today. In fact with modern techniques we could actually give a go at IBD by exhuming Jefferson (Or a known degree descendant) and doing autosomal analysis, but to do that today would probably be seen as racist since it was all 'settled' in 1998.

    IIRC the Y chromosome DNA specimen was from a lock of Jefferson’s hair. It could certainly be analysed for autosomes. The problem is that even with direct descendants it’s been 7 generations or so, and any descendant is going to have less than 1% of his DNA on average. Many would have zero. And there’s the problem that other relatives of Jefferson, especially Randolph and his sons may have shared the same parts of the genome.

    I’m descended from his g-grandfather William Randolph. Almost certainly no DNA in common with TJ. William Randolph was also an ancestor of Jefferson’s wife and Sally. There’s a portrait of Sally’s mother and she looks like a Junior League white lady, very classy.

    I once did the Monticello tour on a psychedelic drug, hoping to have a mystical connection with TJ. Can’t say it worked, but it was a late spring day with transcendental color gradations. It was after the Sally controversy, and I noticed that there was no way she could have gotten to his bedroom from the slave quarters quarters without being seen. The lawn would have been illuminated on a moonlit night and cleary visible from the second-floor bedrooms. And the tunnel would have had servants going to the kitchen or to take care of sick children. Everyone in the house would have known. The recent discovery of a possible bedroom under his quarters probably wouldn’t have changed the situation.

    I’m agnostic about the issue. It’s difficult enough to imagine a world in which slavery was part of everyday life. Miscegenation just adds more complexity.

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    I once did the Monticello tour on a psychedelic drug, hoping to have a mystical connection with TJ. Can’t say it worked, but it was a late spring day with transcendental color gradations. It was after the Sally controversy, and I noticed that there was no way she could have gotten to his bedroom from the slave quarters quarters without being seen. The lawn would have been illuminated on a moonlit night and clearly visible from the second-floor bedrooms. And the tunnel would have had servants going to the kitchen or to take care of sick children. Everyone in the house would have known. The recent discovery of a possible bedroom under his quarters probably wouldn’t have changed the situation.

    I’m agnostic about the issue. It’s difficult enough to imagine a world in which slavery was part of everyday life. Miscegenation just adds more complexity.
     
    Interesting comment.

    Check out (if you haven’t already) the silhouette works of artist Kara Walker. What appear at first to be simple cutouts are actually rather warped and beautifully surreal tableaus of an imagined yet ‘familiar’ antebellum South.
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  97. Alice says:
    @Alden
    Didn't T. Jefferson found UVA? And raise the money for the construction and design the campus and the early buildings?

    In my opinion every university and college in the country should be closed down tomorrow and every employee send to a re education camp supervised by me.

    Revenge will be mine.

    Not just founded U Va, but created it from his conception. He invented the American university, (as opposed to the divinity schools that became universities.) U Va was the first university in the US of A that taught no theology. It had scientific subjects of botany and astronomy, and the first engineering school as part of a university. He allowed for persons of any religious faith to attend. He believed it a greater achievement than the Declaration of Independence.

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  98. Polymath says:
    @M_Young
    "invented the college campus"

    Don't take this as a slight, but this is really your first new insight for a while. (How many of us have as many insights as you).

    It is certainly true. Continental European universities are pretty much built into the city. Scattered buildings in the urban core. Students live in hostels, eat at mensas. It has a certain charm, no doubt.

    British unis are built on the college system...self contained enclosures are are...well, enclosed.

    But 'the campus' -- that's certainly an American invention, a Thom. Jefferson invention as you so rightly point out.

    The word “campus” was originally applied to Princeton University, by its President (and Declaration signer) John Witherspoon. Not sure how far UVA had gotten at that point.

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  99. @syonredux

    It’s always a delight when The Left turns on The Left. So leftist attacks on Thomas Jefferson should be applauded.
     
    It's not Left vs Right anymore. The old rules of political cartography no longer apply.Our era is the epoch of race war: Black vs White, POC vs European, Latinx vs Anglo.

    Wow, what did you eat for breakfast? This seems like a stronger tone than normal for you.

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    "THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON"
    by Rudyard Kipling


    It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late,
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy -- willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.
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  100. @Moses
    I've come to the same conclusion.

    Wildly different ethnic groups sharing a space leads only to intergroup strife and grinding conflict. Isn't it obvious by now?

    It's easy to understand why blacks and 3rd world immigrant groups seek to tear down European-American history and pride -- just another move in the racial group struggle for dominance.

    3rd worlder immigrants and blacks seek to supplant European-Americans. It really is that simple.

    At what point did you come to that conclusion? It is interesting when people change their minds.

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    I came to this conclusion in my 40s.

    I shudder to think about it today, but up to my 40s I was a total cuck. Cringeworthy. I even campaigned for Romney/Ryan in 2012. I was a true believer in the "proposition nation" and "we are all the same" and "Hispanics/immigrants/fill-in-the-blank are natural conservatives." Magic dirt by any other name.

    Gradually it dawned on me that these things just weren't true. It didn't square at all with my life experiences or empirical evidence. There was no one catalyst event, no instant flash of insight. I came to realize that leftists hate me because of my gender and ethnicity. Nothing will change that. These people want me and my kind gone or subjugated.

    My new world view? Humans are tribal. Blood is thicker than water. Groups eternally compete for resources and power. There is no kumbaya. HBD is real. Not all civilizations are equal. Our society -- rule of law, fairness, relatively low corruption -- is an aberration and not the natural state of humanity.

    I'm also of the view that America will break up into separate nations or autonomous areas. The center cannot hold.

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  101. Alice says:
    @Flip
    I don't observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants. We are all sort of melding together into generic white people and the family's religion is negotiated on a case by case basis.

    Yeah, but now Christianity is dying out. So maybe that lovely pluralism had massive downsides. Don’t get me wrong, sectarian violence and civil war ain’t great either.

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  102. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Basically everything that happened before Lincoln is in the process of being wiped clean and eventually memory holed. 1860 will become more significant than 1776, if it isn't already.

    Basically everything that happened before Lincoln is in the process of being wiped clean and eventually memory holed. 1860 will become more significant than 1776, if it isn’t already.

    Dunno. America from 1860 to 1965 was pretty White……And full of Bad Whites like Lincoln (he wanted to deport freed Blacks!), Woodrow Wilson (he actually liked Birth of a Nation! , FDR (Satanic founder of Redlining), Eisenhower (the monstrous racist who gave us Operation Wetback), etc…..

    Perhaps 1965 should be our Year Zero…..

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  103. syonredux says:
    @Flip
    I don't observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants. We are all sort of melding together into generic white people and the family's religion is negotiated on a case by case basis.

    I don’t observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants.

    I’ve run into more than a few few Irish Catholics who are still nursing grievances going back to Cromwell’s day…..

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  104. syonredux says:
    @anonguy

    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.
     
    Grudge sounds like something baseless, unreasonable, or at least should have expired by now.

    Considering Blacks were held slaves for centuries by Anglo-American society, seems more of a grievance than a grudge.

    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.

    Grudge sounds like something baseless, unreasonable, or at least should have expired by now.

    Considering Blacks were held slaves for centuries by Anglo-American society, seems more of a grievance than a grudge.

    Don’t be so old fashioned. The hip thing nowadays is for people with black bodies to be up in arms over redlining and the criminalization of “minor offenses”:

    End Policing of Minor “Broken Windows” Offenses

    The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

    Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
    Marijuana Possession
    Disorderly Conduct
    Trespassing
    Loitering
    Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
    Spitting
    Jaywalking
    Bicycling on the Sidewalk

    https://www.joincampaignzero.org/solutions/#brokenwindows

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  105. Ron Bohr says:

    Take down Jefferson’s statue, and replace it with one of King Louie. BLM would love that.

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  106. syonredux says:
    @Opinionator
    Wow, what did you eat for breakfast? This seems like a stronger tone than normal for you.

    “THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON”
    by Rudyard Kipling

    It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late,
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy — willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddently bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

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  107. Langley says:
    @hhsiii
    Just walked by Saint-Gaudens' statue of Sherman next to Central Park and thought that might have to come down. Not for waging total war on the South, but for the post-war indian campaigns. "We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children." That's not gonna fly if the SJWs ever get around to reading about it.

    Interesting that statue went up in the early 1900s. Anti-confederate statue folks like to make a big deal those statues went up 50 years after the war and supposedly had more to do with Jim Crow than actually commemorating the dead, but statues were going up to both sides, as the generation that lived through it was dying off.

    I am visiting my inlaws in Huntsville Alabama, otherwise known as Rocket City, USA. At the Redstone Arsenal here, there is a monument to the buffalo soldiers. The buffalo soldiers were Blacks famous for killing Native Americans. Should that monument also be taken down?

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    Then you'd have to exhume Bob Marley and hang his corpse, because he celebrated the Buffalo Soldiers in song. Not gonna happen. Bob is a saint, especially to SJW weedheads. Don't get me wrong, I like Marley. Not his later stuff. His version of One Love sucks compared to the Wailers version. Bob was much better in a dark suit and skinny tie than when he went all dread-locked.
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  108. Svigor says:

    Punching down is safer and more fun than punching up.

    Nonsense. Antisemitism = rush. Punching down is for sissies.

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  109. While the Founding Fathers might be nominally condemned for their misdeeds, they are largely resented for their accomplishments.

    This brings to mind the famous words of Robert Heinlein:

    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded—here and there, now and then—are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”

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  110. Moses says:
    @Opinionator
    At what point did you come to that conclusion? It is interesting when people change their minds.

    I came to this conclusion in my 40s.

    I shudder to think about it today, but up to my 40s I was a total cuck. Cringeworthy. I even campaigned for Romney/Ryan in 2012. I was a true believer in the “proposition nation” and “we are all the same” and “Hispanics/immigrants/fill-in-the-blank are natural conservatives.” Magic dirt by any other name.

    Gradually it dawned on me that these things just weren’t true. It didn’t square at all with my life experiences or empirical evidence. There was no one catalyst event, no instant flash of insight. I came to realize that leftists hate me because of my gender and ethnicity. Nothing will change that. These people want me and my kind gone or subjugated.

    My new world view? Humans are tribal. Blood is thicker than water. Groups eternally compete for resources and power. There is no kumbaya. HBD is real. Not all civilizations are equal. Our society — rule of law, fairness, relatively low corruption — is an aberration and not the natural state of humanity.

    I’m also of the view that America will break up into separate nations or autonomous areas. The center cannot hold.

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    Thank you. I asked in part on behalf of myself and others who feel we have awakened to a similar reality and are mystified that our family members, friends, and fellow citizens do not see the same "reality"--and indeed both danger and looming loss--that we do.

    I realize you do not believe there was one catalyst event but any specifics (arguments you heard, research/facts you saw, events you witnessed, time period over which your perception changed) you can offer us would be greatly appreciated.
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  111. @Roger Bigod
    IIRC the Y chromosome DNA specimen was from a lock of Jefferson's hair. It could certainly be analysed for autosomes. The problem is that even with direct descendants it's been 7 generations or so, and any descendant is going to have less than 1% of his DNA on average. Many would have zero. And there's the problem that other relatives of Jefferson, especially Randolph and his sons may have shared the same parts of the genome.

    I'm descended from his g-grandfather William Randolph. Almost certainly no DNA in common with TJ. William Randolph was also an ancestor of Jefferson's wife and Sally. There's a portrait of Sally's mother and she looks like a Junior League white lady, very classy.

    I once did the Monticello tour on a psychedelic drug, hoping to have a mystical connection with TJ. Can't say it worked, but it was a late spring day with transcendental color gradations. It was after the Sally controversy, and I noticed that there was no way she could have gotten to his bedroom from the slave quarters quarters without being seen. The lawn would have been illuminated on a moonlit night and cleary visible from the second-floor bedrooms. And the tunnel would have had servants going to the kitchen or to take care of sick children. Everyone in the house would have known. The recent discovery of a possible bedroom under his quarters probably wouldn't have changed the situation.

    I'm agnostic about the issue. It's difficult enough to imagine a world in which slavery was part of everyday life. Miscegenation just adds more complexity.

    I once did the Monticello tour on a psychedelic drug, hoping to have a mystical connection with TJ. Can’t say it worked, but it was a late spring day with transcendental color gradations. It was after the Sally controversy, and I noticed that there was no way she could have gotten to his bedroom from the slave quarters quarters without being seen. The lawn would have been illuminated on a moonlit night and clearly visible from the second-floor bedrooms. And the tunnel would have had servants going to the kitchen or to take care of sick children. Everyone in the house would have known. The recent discovery of a possible bedroom under his quarters probably wouldn’t have changed the situation.

    I’m agnostic about the issue. It’s difficult enough to imagine a world in which slavery was part of everyday life. Miscegenation just adds more complexity.

    Interesting comment.

    Check out (if you haven’t already) the silhouette works of artist Kara Walker. What appear at first to be simple cutouts are actually rather warped and beautifully surreal tableaus of an imagined yet ‘familiar’ antebellum South.

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  112. BB753 says:
    @anonguy

    No, but Blacks are the eternal enemy. Their grudge against Anglo-America goes back centuries.
     
    Grudge sounds like something baseless, unreasonable, or at least should have expired by now.

    Considering Blacks were held slaves for centuries by Anglo-American society, seems more of a grievance than a grudge.

    I don’t believe for a second that Blacks still resent slavery. It’s too far back in their past. It’s a show they put on. I do believe however, that they’re still sore about Jim Crow and segregation. After all, many older Blacks today lived that era and have passed on their resentment to their children and grandchildren. Never mind that most Blacks were materially better off under segregation, they wanted the same stuff Whites had, including the same rights, though they were not ready and aren’t still ready to function in society up to white standards.

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  113. @Moses
    I came to this conclusion in my 40s.

    I shudder to think about it today, but up to my 40s I was a total cuck. Cringeworthy. I even campaigned for Romney/Ryan in 2012. I was a true believer in the "proposition nation" and "we are all the same" and "Hispanics/immigrants/fill-in-the-blank are natural conservatives." Magic dirt by any other name.

    Gradually it dawned on me that these things just weren't true. It didn't square at all with my life experiences or empirical evidence. There was no one catalyst event, no instant flash of insight. I came to realize that leftists hate me because of my gender and ethnicity. Nothing will change that. These people want me and my kind gone or subjugated.

    My new world view? Humans are tribal. Blood is thicker than water. Groups eternally compete for resources and power. There is no kumbaya. HBD is real. Not all civilizations are equal. Our society -- rule of law, fairness, relatively low corruption -- is an aberration and not the natural state of humanity.

    I'm also of the view that America will break up into separate nations or autonomous areas. The center cannot hold.

    Thank you. I asked in part on behalf of myself and others who feel we have awakened to a similar reality and are mystified that our family members, friends, and fellow citizens do not see the same “reality”–and indeed both danger and looming loss–that we do.

    I realize you do not believe there was one catalyst event but any specifics (arguments you heard, research/facts you saw, events you witnessed, time period over which your perception changed) you can offer us would be greatly appreciated.

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  114. black sea says:
    @3g4me
    @47 black sea: "A lot of these campus escapades could be avoided if . . . "

    I see numerous comments almost daily at various sites with similar laundry lists of recommendations regarding how this or that complication of diversity and multiculturalism might be mitigated. And each and every time I wonder: Does it not occur to the poster that all such troubles are easily avoided by stopping said diversity and multiculturalism in the first place? Or, as I believe our esteemed host opined, "That's what separate countries are for."

    Stop over thinking things or limiting yourself to what might be permissible by your masters at the present time. Think big - such as a homeland for White people. Problem solved.

    I agree, in the sense that I realize no major university would implement what I suggested here. Theoretically, they could, but in reality, they wouldn’t even consider it. The larger culture makes it impossible.

    Maybe a place like Hillsdale College would, but then again, they probably wouldn’t have to.

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  115. hhsiii says:
    @Langley
    I am visiting my inlaws in Huntsville Alabama, otherwise known as Rocket City, USA. At the Redstone Arsenal here, there is a monument to the buffalo soldiers. The buffalo soldiers were Blacks famous for killing Native Americans. Should that monument also be taken down?

    Then you’d have to exhume Bob Marley and hang his corpse, because he celebrated the Buffalo Soldiers in song. Not gonna happen. Bob is a saint, especially to SJW weedheads. Don’t get me wrong, I like Marley. Not his later stuff. His version of One Love sucks compared to the Wailers version. Bob was much better in a dark suit and skinny tie than when he went all dread-locked.

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  116. Brutusale says:
    @Flip
    I don't observe Irish Catholics being resentful of British/German Protestants. We are all sort of melding together into generic white people and the family's religion is negotiated on a case by case basis.

    They’re awfully thick on the ground here in Boston.

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  117. Flip says:

    I see lots of Irish mixed with Poles, Italians, and Germans in Chicago. Even the Daley family is not pure Irish anymore.

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