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Back in 2010 respected German economist and Social Democratic government administrator Thilo Sarrazin published what’s perhaps still the best-selling serious non-fiction book of this decade, Germany Abolishes Itself.

This analysis of German immigration policy has sold 1.5 million copies worldwide despite never being translated into English. (Thomas Piketty’s Capital is catching up, helped along by having been translated into English.) By way of contrast, note that The Bell Curve was an immense success at bookstores in the United States in 1994, and it still sold only a little over 25% as many copies in a much larger country.

Sarrazin’s bestseller was a little bit like if new Fed vice-chairman Stanley Fischer (to pick a somewhat comparable low-profile insider) were to publish a big book in 2015 explaining that while he’s a lifelong liberal Democrat, his recent years working for Sharon and Netanyahu as head banker of the Israeli government opened his eyes to how self-destructive American immigration policy is and how America should adopt a more restrictive immigration policy like Israel’s. And then Fischer’s book sells five million copies in America … but by 2020 it still hasn’t been translated into German.

I can’t find any evidence that Sarrazin has even been invited to speak in the United States in the half-decade that he has been famous. He’s not a charismatic speaker, but he does speak serviceable English in the old-fashioned Herr Professor style that Americans used to be impressed by.

Sarrazin followed his immigration book up with a second book, this one in his lifelong field of expertise, central banking, pointing out that the Euro wasn’t working out so hot. And last year he published in German a third book that’s pretty timely at the moment:

Der neue Tugendterror: Über die Grenzen der Meinungsfreiheit in Deutschland

Google Translate says that means:

The new virtue terror: On the limits of free speech in Germany

Of course, this book hasn’t been translated into English either, but I did find a 2013 article previewing the book based, I believe, on a speech Sarrazin gave in English to the Danish Free Press Society:

Thilo Sarrazin: What I learned
8. april 2013 – Artikel af Thilo Sarrazin

First of all, I would like to thank you for giving me this award, which I have gladly accepted. Until 2008, I did not concern myself very much with freedom of speech.

In my career as a civil servant, board member and, later on, politician I had a reputation of being outspoken. But that concerned mostly my professional field and was therefore accepted.

Everything changed with an interview I gave in September 2009 about the socioeconomic problems of Berlin and their roots, and with a book I published in August 2010 under the title Deutschland schafft sich ab (Germany abolishes itself).

Its main conclusions are:

– Germany as a nation is doomed by its demography. The low and stable birth rate means that every generation is 35 percent smaller than the one before.

– The brightest people have the fewest children. And for this reason, intellectual capacities and educational achievements in Germany will shrink even faster than the population. This is no danger for a far future; the process is in full swing already.

– The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them. Reasons for this are the Islamic cultural background and the poor average educational performance of these groups, which is far below the European average, even in the second and third generation.

Those conclusions are of course controversial – and they were intended to be.

In matters of society there is no such thing as an absolute truth. And I am the first to admit this.

I had expected a controversial discussion. But nothing had prepared me for the public storm that broke loose upon publication.

I was accused of advocating biological determinism and labelled a social Darwinist, a racist, and an enemy of the people and of social justice.

I survived morally and politically because of the enthusiastic support from large parts of the general public. The new media were very helpful in that regard.

In this case, the print media and television had obviously lost their monopoly of interpretation, and it was plain for everybody to see.

Realising this, many politicians started a tactical withdrawal from the debate.

In the course of events, I stepped down as a board member of the Deutsche Bundesbank – but not before I had been formally cleared of all allegations of misconduct.

In the following months, I thought a lot about the controversial reactions to my book. My theory is as follows:

The code of conduct in a society, which is not laid down by law, varies over time. It is to a large degree implicit and not subject to formal – or even openly discussed – rules. But those members who do not observe it run the risk of being excluded from ‘the good society’.

The mechanics of political correctness

Having and expressing the ‘right’ set of opinions about certain scientific, social and political questions is an important part of this code of conduct.

Most people want to observe the prevailing code of conduct but, being busy with jobs and families, they have no informed opinion of their own on most matters.

So they think and believe what the media say they should think and believe. Politicians, on the other hand, form their understanding of public opinion by consuming the media. Most of them sincerely believe that voters think what the media write or say.

Media are made by people, and media people recruit themselves in a process of self-­ selection, much as lawyers, doctors or engineers do. Polls show that media people mainly listen to other media people.

Endorsed by this self-‐selection, media people on the whole have a set of opinions that tends to be on the left side of mainstream society. I don’t say this is a bad thing.

But I think that this partly explains the mindset of political correctness.

Most people shy away from saying or even thinking anything that is perceived to be politically incorrect.

So the mechanics of political correctness prevent the expression of dissenting opinions, notwithstanding the formal freedom of speech.

It even stops the generation of incorrect thoughts.

The prevailing themes of political correctness are deeply ingrained in the (to some degree unconscious) mindset of the political class and the media. Reflecting on the reaction to my book, I identified 13 themes which constitute the main body of political correctness in Germany. My book violated every single one of them.

A list of political correctness in Germany

Here is the list of political correctness in Germany. I think the list describes the truth but it takes some irony or humour to understand it fully. The problem lies not in any single item on this list but in their combination and rigid application to political thinking:

1. Inequality is bad, equality is good.

2. Secondary virtues like industriousness, precision and punctuality are of no particular value. Competition is morally questionable (except in sports) because it promotes inequality.

3. The rich should feel guilty. Exception: Rich people who have earned their money as athletes or pop stars.

4. Different conditions of life have nothing to do with people’s choices but with the circumstances they are in.

5. All cultures are of equal rank and value. Especially the values and ways of life of the Christian occident and Western industrialised nations should not enjoy any preference. Those who think differently are provincial and xenophobic.

6. Islam is a religion of peace. Those who see any problems with immigration from Islamic countries are guilty of Islamophobia. This is nearly as bad as antisemitism.

7. Western industrialised nations carry the main responsibility for poverty and backwardness in other parts of the world.

8. Men and women have no natural differences, except for the physical signs of their sex.

9. Human abilities depend mainly on training and educations; inherited differences play hardly any role.

10. There are no differences between peoples and races, except for their physical appearance.

11. The nation state is an outdated model. National identities and peculiarities have no particular value. The national element as such is rather bad; it is at any rate not worth preserving. The future belongs to the world society.

12. All people in the world do not only have equal rights. They are in fact equal. They should at least all be eligible for the benefits of the German welfare state.

13. Children are an entirely private affair. Immigration takes care of the labour market and of any other demographic problems.

The core of the problem

So far the list. In this condensed form it sounds like a joke.

But it’s not a joke. These are the hidden axioms of the prevailing political mindset in Germany (and probably elsewhere) as I see them. Every item on the list has a high emotional value for those who believe in it.

The core of the problem is: Partly moral und partly ideological attitudes are taken at face value and mixed up with reality.

It is a permanent task, I am afraid, to sort that out.

It makes me faintly optimistic though that, after all the turmoil, I am still morally alive and not, as a person and an author, ignominiously buried and forgotten. That had certainly been the intention of the vast majority of the political and the media class. But, for once, the general public publicly disagreed.

This, in itself, is a matter of satisfaction not only for me but for many people in Germany.

The second book



Quite interesting was the experience with my second book “Europa braucht den Euro nicht”, which was published in May 2012.

In this case, nobody could deny that I am an expert on the matters I wrote about. So they doubted – again – my motives and tried to discover right-­‐wing or populist elements in the book.

This proved impossible. The historical reasoning was sound. The economic reasoning that I applied was mainstream and adhered to strict logic.

My warnings and misgivings were proven true time and again by the actual events. So they tried to “todsch” the book (that word is derived from the German “totschweigen”). I often found my arguments in print while the source was not mentioned. But even this was only partly successful.

The book sold 200.000 copies und took in 2012 the ninth place on the bestseller list for nonfiction.

When I speak of “they”, I don´t mean the media as a whole, but about seventy percent of them. The problem is not, that “they” disagree.

I love disagreement, It is the salt of every enlightening discussion. And I would be totally bored, if I had not to struggle with disagreement and opposing views.

But “they” avoid the exchange of arguments.

They don´t even read or listen carefully, if at all. They try to get to you on a personal level – by doubting your motives, by mocking your habits, your looks, your attitude to life. The ultimate aim is defamation.

They try to instil the fear of isolation in all those who might support you and speak out for you and your cause.

And one has to admit, it works – at least partly: Most people hate to expose themselves in controversial matters, even the honest und good hearted ones.

So, those “who go with the flow”, get easily the upper hand and dominate the climate of public opinion.

This is nothing new. It has always been this way.

It is part of human nature to try not to fallout with the moods, the habits and the opinions of those social groups – formal or informal – of which they feel they are part.

But it is important that those who disagree, are given space – in a literal and a moral sense – to develop and present their views free of sanctions of any kind.

Each and every progress in social affairs, in science, in culture, even in fashion – stars with the disagreement of aminority.

So, let us encourage the expression of all kinds of disagreements – with two exceptions: The right (1) to express your views and(2) to be the master of your course in life should never be challenged.

Not, at least , in a free society.

 
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  1. “– The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them. Reasons for this are the Islamic cultural background and the poor average educational performance of these groups, which is far below the European average, even in the second and third generation.”

    With the exception of France, I notice it usually the blondest European countries that gets the highest percentage of Negro/Muslim DIEversity.

    The most brunette European countries on average gets less of a share of this disease.

    • Replies: @josh
    could be that non-white immigrants are desirous of fair , white females.

    https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/are-the-academy-awards-racist/#comment-60935
    , @NOTA
    I'm not sure of that. Spain and Italy both have problems with immigrants from Africa / the Middle East coming in.
  2. “– The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them. Reasons for this are the Islamic cultural background and the poor average educational performance of these groups, which is far below the European average, even in the second and third generation.”

    With the exception of France, I notice it usually the blondest European countries that gets the highest percentage of Muslim/Negro DIEversity.

    The most brunette European countries on average gets less of a share of this disease.

  3. 13. Children are an entirely private affair.

    Tell that to German families who try to home school their children. My memory fails me, but there was a recent case of such a family who tried to seek American aslyum.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Supposedly due to law inherited from NS. Presumably, law was retained because state indoctrination of children is as important for current CM regime as it was for NS. NS policy gets an unprincipled exception pass for the following: anti-homeschooling, environmental policy, Volkswagen and autobahns.
    , @Anonymous
    I think he means the number of children you have is your business, immigrants will make up for lack of children.

    He Does not mention funding methods like social security that transfer wealth from productive children to all elderly regardless of the number or productivity of their children.

    Underfunded state pension schemes are another transfer scheme.
  4. Good points about declines in birthrates among the intelligent. I’ll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Briffault's law???
    , @Twinkie

    I’ll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.
     
    All those low IQ, high "sexiness" Mormon men, what with their high fertility!

    Um, no.

    Male sexiness has little to do with it. Much of it has to do with female IQ. Higher IQ females (especially those with high-paying employment) tend to want to have fewer children because 1) raising children well is hard work and detracts from income growth and career advancement for women and 2) they want to concentrate maximum resources on few children to ensure success in high IQ competitive environments.

    The r/K selection theory works pretty well on this subject.
    , @iSteveFan

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.
     
    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don't need each woman to pump out 5 kids. The only reason people see the low birth rates as a problem, IS BECAUSE our nations are allowing millions of immigrants into them, thus changing the demographic makeup. If we had immigration policies like Japan, the low birth rates might be of some concern in considering how to modify your social security system to adequately take care of the elderly. But you would not have the added issue, which is really the primary issue, of being displaced in your own nation.

    And if natives were pumping out 5 kids, combined with mass immigration, or without mass immigration, we'd have problems arising from overcrowding, especially in European nations.

    Birth rates are not the problem, mass immigration is.
    , @snorlax
    In my experience, it's very much the opposite; in general, there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders. The level of correlation also does seem to vary by ethnicity; the link between intelligence and attractiveness is relatively strong in people of northwestern European descent, but not as strong, if still there, in people of Jewish descent, which is one reason why so many intelligent Jews have an inferiority/superiority complex about tall, square-jawed, blond WASPs.
  5. Wow, nice find!

    I am not sure about his assertation that “Media are made by people, and media people recruit themselves in a process of self-­ selection, much as lawyers, doctors or engineers do. Polls show that media people mainly listen to other media people.

    Yes, media are made by people, but I don’t know about this self-recruitment and self-selection…

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    "Yes, media are made by people, but I don’t know about this self-recruitment and self-selection."
     
    My dear Wren, turn that "self-recruitment and self-selection" around and it comes out as calculated, purposeful exclusion of those who commit thoughtcrime. So, six of one, half a dozen of the other. The point is that if you commit thoughtcrime, the elite deny you admission to their Clique of the Self-Appointed Morally Superior, and this is the same thing as "self-recruitment and self-selection."

    Moreover, if you are a member of the elite and you commit thoughtcrime, the elite expel you from their ivory tower. You need but ask Watson, Richwine, Murray, Derbyshire, et al.

    And if you work on air for CNN, dare you mention hasbara?
  6. @Whiskey
    Good points about declines in birthrates among the intelligent. I'll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.

    Briffault’s law???

  7. • Replies: @Anon
    I wonder why
  8. Perhaps you can get into the publishing business with Unz or Taki. PC seems to have created some room for arbitrage. You have already pointed out Solzhenitsyn’s untranslated book, and now these.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Solzhenitsyn’s "Two Hundred Years Together" likely can't be published because the English-language rights are held by some spoilsport. The only way around that is on the sly, samizdat style. I've seen extended excerpts online.
  9. @Whiskey
    Good points about declines in birthrates among the intelligent. I'll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.

    I’ll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.

    All those low IQ, high “sexiness” Mormon men, what with their high fertility!

    Um, no.

    Male sexiness has little to do with it. Much of it has to do with female IQ. Higher IQ females (especially those with high-paying employment) tend to want to have fewer children because 1) raising children well is hard work and detracts from income growth and career advancement for women and 2) they want to concentrate maximum resources on few children to ensure success in high IQ competitive environments.

    The r/K selection theory works pretty well on this subject.

    • Replies: @DPG
    Too lazy to look it up but I think audacious epigone found that years of education is the primary driver of low fertility among high IQ women rather than strictly high IQ. Makes sense. If a girl gets an advanced degree and doesn't join the workforce until 26 she needs to put in a few years of work to pay back those student loans. She also needs to start dating all over again after moving from the small college town to her new career. Kids won't even be on the radar until 30. Meanwhile there's high school dropouts becoming grandmothers by the age of 32.
  10. “The literate man is a sucker for propaganda…You cannot propagandize a native. You can sell him rum and trinkets, but you cannot sell him ideas.”
    The Education of Mike McManus, TVOntario, December 28 1977
    Free speech in Cuba. We’ll make a killing with rum and trinkets!

  11. @wren
    Perhaps you can get into the publishing business with Unz or Taki. PC seems to have created some room for arbitrage. You have already pointed out Solzhenitsyn's untranslated book, and now these.

    Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together” likely can’t be published because the English-language rights are held by some spoilsport. The only way around that is on the sly, samizdat style. I’ve seen extended excerpts online.

    • Replies: @wren
    Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together” likely can’t be published because the English-language rights are held by some spoilsport.

    Interesting. Who? Someone ought to shine some light on this.
  12. He makes an excellent case.

  13. That’s a nice list he’s got. It should be given a name, maybe something like the “PC Commandments”. The 13 PC Commandments. Seems most hold just fine in the US.

    Special points in refuting a PC argument if you can cite which PC Commandment is being pushed…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I'm under the impression Sarrazin added a 14th point in his book. Any German readers know?
    , @Borachio
    An alternate list. Many of the same ideas but slightly different emphasis:

    http://fribblings.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-10-principles-of-modern-non-faith.html
  14. @Cagey Beast
    Solzhenitsyn’s "Two Hundred Years Together" likely can't be published because the English-language rights are held by some spoilsport. The only way around that is on the sly, samizdat style. I've seen extended excerpts online.

    Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together” likely can’t be published because the English-language rights are held by some spoilsport.

    Interesting. Who? Someone ought to shine some light on this.

  15. @anonymous
    That's a nice list he's got. It should be given a name, maybe something like the "PC Commandments". The 13 PC Commandments. Seems most hold just fine in the US.

    Special points in refuting a PC argument if you can cite which PC Commandment is being pushed...

    I’m under the impression Sarrazin added a 14th point in his book. Any German readers know?

    • Replies: @eah
    Sarrazins 14 Tugendterror-Thesen

    Considering the German mindset, ie the importance of being part of the Gesellschaft as compared to being an individual, this from above is important to note:

    They try to instil the fear of isolation in all those who might support you and speak out for you and your cause.

    There are many good comments/insights to be found in the 'reviews' of his book on the amazon.de site. Just a small sample:

    Wir haben es in der Bundesrepublik erlebt, dass regelrecht Unvernünftige es in der letzten Generation (also seit etwa 20 bis 30 Jahren) geschafft haben, mit ihrer Leidenschaft der Bevölkerung ihren Willen aufzuzwingen, indem sie eine Generation von Journalisten im Printmedienbereich und im TV an den Unis regelrecht indoktriniert haben.

    And given recent events:

    Genau so wie es Herr Sarrazin in diesem seinem Buch beschreibt ,so wird jetzt ( Dezember 2014) die Pegida-Bewegung diffamiert, beschimpft und in die braune rechte Ecke gestellt.Man will es einfach nicht wahrhaben, dass eine grosse Mehrheit der deutschen Bevölkerung so nicht einverstanden ist mit der Einwanderungspolitik in Deutschland.

    In regards to Pegida, the political class and journalists are following their script, as described Sarrazin, perfectly: it didn't take long for them to start calling Pegida 'Nazis in pinstripes'.

  16. “I’m under the impression Sarrazin added a 14th point in his book. Any German readers know?”

    So maybe the “Sarrazin Commandments”? That’s probably better anyway because it’s easy to google…

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    yes but it sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel
  17. france bans rallies calling for the expulsion of islamists:
    http://www.ibtimes.com/terror-france-court-backs-decision-ban-protests-against-radical-islamists-1786744

    somehow, it’s sort of hard to find this non rally reported in MSM..

  18. I bumped into this blogger. The Last Psychiatrist. Anyway I think this is a somewhat relevant link related to this Sailer post:

    “The Wisdom Of Crowds Turns Into Madness”
    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/the_wisdom_of_crowds_turns_int.html#c039680

    The idea is that concept of the Wisdom of the Crowd that says in a large sample, the resultant result is ultimately correct. By the time you factor in the extremes, the aggregate answer is usually correct.

    Except in this case a study is cited where in various stages of the sample, the subjects are shown the results of the previous “guesses”. And these begin to shift the resultant results.

    “The first round the guesses were wildly disparate, but as everyone got to see the other guesses, they converge remarkably.”

    “Why did having the full information (all 12 people’s individual guesses) seem to cause less convergence than having the mean of their guesses? It didn’t, really; but also because the aggregate is only one number that you converge to; having 12 wildly disparate numbers to converge to is harder. But by the third round, it hardly mattered– a systematic bias had been introduced into the crowd, which is ironic since it is systematic bias that the Wisdom Of Crowds is supposed to negate. Moo.”

    “People following the herd would be boring but not disastrous, except for the other finding.”

    “Since the guesses converge, since other people are converging with you and you can see that, the confidence in these guesses goes up: a false belief of collective accuracy with no increase in actual accuracy. “It’s unanimous!” Yikes.”

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    We did this experiment in undergrad research.

    You show someone a sheet with prices on it that were supposedly put there by other people. Then you ask them to guess the price of the item. They will guess based on what other people wrote.
  19. @countenance
    13. Children are an entirely private affair.

    Tell that to German families who try to home school their children. My memory fails me, but there was a recent case of such a family who tried to seek American aslyum.

    Supposedly due to law inherited from NS. Presumably, law was retained because state indoctrination of children is as important for current CM regime as it was for NS. NS policy gets an unprincipled exception pass for the following: anti-homeschooling, environmental policy, Volkswagen and autobahns.

  20. This is the first I’ve heard of Thilo Sarrazin: great link! I’ve forwarded to my friends with strong ties to Germany. I’m shocked how good these points are, how many eloquent speakers make them, and how most regular people generally agree if they listen to them, but they are still a completely underground ideology. I am convinced this underground ideology is about to fully break into the mainstream.

  21. @whiskey –

    Thanks for the jab at Jewish men’s masculinity. You’re certainly right that we are underrepresented in high-status roles, like actors, business leaders, and the like.

    Also, the less assimilated the group of Jews, the higher the fertility. Ultra-orthodox often have 8+ kids…a dozen + in parts of Israel. These guys are not out womanizing.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Tfr of Jerry Seinfeld, Mark Zuckerberg, Micheal Bay? Is it zero? I dont afaik think Seinfekd has any kids, I could be wrong.

    I'm influenced by the study of iirc, Harvard students by major and sexual activity. Arts majors had a lot of it, engineering and physics majors were mostly virgins. Your average aspiring rapper will have five illegitimate kids while a silicon valley cube dweller, none.

    I wouldn't infer masculinity with number of kids. Michael Jackson being a data point. Male sexiness depends on charisma and charm among high iq men, which means extraversion, or cheap version think equivalent implants, violence and volatility. Chicks dig Chechens. Chechens meanwhile don't possess Wally and Dilbert level focus and concentration.

    Ot: Germany has forbid Pegida marches bc Muslims have made threats. German leaders want to surrender to Islam like most of the West. Surrender is not bad for women they get Chechen type Checheny behavior from the new masters. Bad deal for men. I doubt Muslim men will share.

    Muslims in Italy smashed Virgin Mary statues and urinated on them va Drudge. That's the mark of conquerors. Europeans seem to lack the will to fight. They'd di better to emulate Israelis.
  22. There should be an HBD Hall of Fame wiki type of website, which tracks people like this German gentleman, who were high-achieving members of “polite society” and expressed HBD beliefs. After revealing their support of HBD concepts, so many of these people are smeared by the media and gradually written out of history that we need to track and honor their accomplishments.

    Watson is of course another obvious example. I had to laugh recently when my son told me that he learned at school that the “real” brains behind the discovery of the double-helix was Watson and Crick’s female lab assistant. They suppressed her role and she died of cancer at a young age before the truth could come out and she could claim her Nobel prize. Just waiting for the Nobel committee to retract Watson’s prize and award it to her posthumously in an appropriately solemn and reverent ceremony.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nobel Prizes aren't awarded posthumously, so it's not going to happen.
    , @The most deplorable one

    Watson is of course another obvious example. I had to laugh recently when my son told me that he learned at school that the “real” brains behind the discovery of the double-helix was Watson and Crick’s female lab assistant.
     
    This sounds very much like the myth that Ada Lovelace invented programming.
  23. #1,3, 8,9,10 are on the money

    #4 is kinda iffy since someone with a low IQ is probably going to have little control over his ability to make good choices. The problem is the left blaming greedy rich people and exploitative corporations for the failure of millions to thrive in the economy when, in fact, biological factors are the culprit, not environmental ones.

    We need to learn to stop fearing the E word

  24. @HH
    @whiskey -

    Thanks for the jab at Jewish men's masculinity. You're certainly right that we are underrepresented in high-status roles, like actors, business leaders, and the like.

    Also, the less assimilated the group of Jews, the higher the fertility. Ultra-orthodox often have 8+ kids...a dozen + in parts of Israel. These guys are not out womanizing.

    Tfr of Jerry Seinfeld, Mark Zuckerberg, Micheal Bay? Is it zero? I dont afaik think Seinfekd has any kids, I could be wrong.

    I’m influenced by the study of iirc, Harvard students by major and sexual activity. Arts majors had a lot of it, engineering and physics majors were mostly virgins. Your average aspiring rapper will have five illegitimate kids while a silicon valley cube dweller, none.

    I wouldn’t infer masculinity with number of kids. Michael Jackson being a data point. Male sexiness depends on charisma and charm among high iq men, which means extraversion, or cheap version think equivalent implants, violence and volatility. Chicks dig Chechens. Chechens meanwhile don’t possess Wally and Dilbert level focus and concentration.

    Ot: Germany has forbid Pegida marches bc Muslims have made threats. German leaders want to surrender to Islam like most of the West. Surrender is not bad for women they get Chechen type Checheny behavior from the new masters. Bad deal for men. I doubt Muslim men will share.

    Muslims in Italy smashed Virgin Mary statues and urinated on them va Drudge. That’s the mark of conquerors. Europeans seem to lack the will to fight. They’d di better to emulate Israelis.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Seinfeld has three kids.
    , @rod1963
    More thing at work than that.

    We live in a welfare state, there is no need for a extended family anymore, child rearing and elder care is out-sourced. There is no need for a large family when Uncle Sammy is there for all your needs.

    Without white society would have been far healthier, with it, it's like a Kervorkian suicide machine for whites.

    That said, today's child rearing is done by Juanita the illegal and the public school system while college educated momma is jonesing for a "meaningful career', she doesn't have time for sex, nor for raising little Timmy. Daddy is busy having his soul sucked dry in some Herman-Miller cube farm that rewards docility, conformity and general sheep like behavior. When mommy and daddy gets home it's almost bed time for timmy. They feed and put little timmy to bed.

    Some parents do the soccer mom confusing it with being a parent, and put their seed into all sorts of organized sports to turn the kid into a order following drone who then really hates his parents for being total d-bags.

    And when Timmy gets older he resents his materialist parents who care more about the Lexus and BMW in the drive way, their designer kitchen and the 60' plasma screen tv in the man cave. He becomes alienated and screws up in school and put on enough psychotropics to deaden a elephant. If the kid really goes bad, the parents send him to a camp in Belize where they kick the shit out of him until he's halfway normal. Others just get into self-mutilation. With a lot of luck Timmy survives and goes to college to become another constipated cube drone like daddy. If not, he drops out and does his own thing and become his own man as opposed to being a useless cube drone.

    The Chechan parasite OTOH only gets the table scraps. The Chechen is inbred, loud, violent, stupid, predatory and lazy, the sort of male that is attractive to the dim witted bimbo in high school who confuse stupid and loud with exciting and fun. These sorts of gals have always existed. You can't fix them. They are destined for misery.

    As a product of public schooling these females know full well there is a safety net for them the moment they get knocked up and pump out another miscreant. The Chechen parasite knows this too, so he attaches himself to the bimbo like a remora knowing without her, he is street trash. The stipend he gets from Uncle Sucker isn't enough, he blows it on parties and bling, he needs a sugar momma. He can't do gangster stuff because that's the Mexican and Black turf. They'll shoot the Chechen dead.
  25. @Whiskey
    Tfr of Jerry Seinfeld, Mark Zuckerberg, Micheal Bay? Is it zero? I dont afaik think Seinfekd has any kids, I could be wrong.

    I'm influenced by the study of iirc, Harvard students by major and sexual activity. Arts majors had a lot of it, engineering and physics majors were mostly virgins. Your average aspiring rapper will have five illegitimate kids while a silicon valley cube dweller, none.

    I wouldn't infer masculinity with number of kids. Michael Jackson being a data point. Male sexiness depends on charisma and charm among high iq men, which means extraversion, or cheap version think equivalent implants, violence and volatility. Chicks dig Chechens. Chechens meanwhile don't possess Wally and Dilbert level focus and concentration.

    Ot: Germany has forbid Pegida marches bc Muslims have made threats. German leaders want to surrender to Islam like most of the West. Surrender is not bad for women they get Chechen type Checheny behavior from the new masters. Bad deal for men. I doubt Muslim men will share.

    Muslims in Italy smashed Virgin Mary statues and urinated on them va Drudge. That's the mark of conquerors. Europeans seem to lack the will to fight. They'd di better to emulate Israelis.

    Seinfeld has three kids.

  26. Thanks for the jab at Jewish men’s masculinity. You’re certainly right that we are underrepresented in high-status roles, like actors, business leaders, and the like.

    Also, the less assimilated the group of Jews, the higher the fertility. Ultra-orthodox often have 8+ kids…a dozen + in parts of Israel. These guys are not out womanizing.

    You’re going to hurt his feelings. Seriously. Don’t you know how much he’s done for you?

  27. @Whiskey
    Good points about declines in birthrates among the intelligent. I'll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.

    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids. The only reason people see the low birth rates as a problem, IS BECAUSE our nations are allowing millions of immigrants into them, thus changing the demographic makeup. If we had immigration policies like Japan, the low birth rates might be of some concern in considering how to modify your social security system to adequately take care of the elderly. But you would not have the added issue, which is really the primary issue, of being displaced in your own nation.

    And if natives were pumping out 5 kids, combined with mass immigration, or without mass immigration, we’d have problems arising from overcrowding, especially in European nations.

    Birth rates are not the problem, mass immigration is.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    Except for all its history before 1970.

    You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year...% with 7 or more persons
    1790...36%
    ...
    1890...23%
    1900...20%
    1930...11%
    ...
    1970...5%
    1975...4%
    1980...2%
    1990...1%
  28. Tribalism->Christianity->Nationalism->Cultural Marxism. What is the next item in the series? Until someone knows, we remain stuck with a ruling class animated by a collection of weird ideas about human nature.

    • Replies: @OyVey
    I'm sure it'll be a borderless world ruled by a small clique of corporate elites. In many respects this is already the case, although there are still countries resisting ("rogue states").
  29. I have a spreadsheet where I keep track of conservative/alt-right twitter accounts to see trends in popularity, wrote a little script that scoops up the data. The Unz Review is actually in the top 10 fastest growing, of the ones I track, though from a very low rate – and with still only an egg icon.

    @UnzReview has grown almost 7% this month. Just under @JebBush, and above @BradThor (conservative spy thriller writer, great on twitter). Fastest growing is @TheBlazeNow as TheBlaze tries to break into the breaking news twitter feed business.

  30. “Chicks dig Chechens.”

    Only low IQ White trash chicks who look like they belong on an episode of Jerry Springer, would dig Chechen men. High IQ White women with careers would not be dating these Chechen losers like the Tsarnaev brothers.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    High IQ White women with careers would not be dating these Chechen losers like the Tsarnaev brothers.
     
    Who do you think married one of those brothers? Katherine Russell was the daughter of a doctor, who was the son of a doctor. Both doctors, dad and grand dad, went to Ivy League schools. She wan't low IQ white trash.
  31. And it appears John Derbyshire is finally on Twitter at @DissidentRight. Cool. I’ll have to follow him.
    At least it says it’s him.

  32. there are 35 million people in California, 15 million of them women. These rich, nerdy Jewish guys in silicon valley are getting plenty of action.there are many women who want them, despite it going against this purported evolutionary desire for masculinity.. Maybe 75% of women want masculine traits but 25% or so (the higher IQ women) don’t care so much ,and that is what keeps the population stable and Ashkenazim intelligence high

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    Identitarian ethnicity is different than nativistim. Off topic, only a idea of new way to define it.
  33. I think Sabrina Rubin Erdely learned journalism from Dr. Know.

    Combining FLAT FACT with FAIRY TALE.

    How can the blue fairy turn Jackie the perpetual wall flower into a hot ho deflowered on the floor?

    http://youtu.be/x0QkgAuEPbk?t=3m39s

  34. @Jefferson
    "Chicks dig Chechens."

    Only low IQ White trash chicks who look like they belong on an episode of Jerry Springer, would dig Chechen men. High IQ White women with careers would not be dating these Chechen losers like the Tsarnaev brothers.

    High IQ White women with careers would not be dating these Chechen losers like the Tsarnaev brothers.

    Who do you think married one of those brothers? Katherine Russell was the daughter of a doctor, who was the son of a doctor. Both doctors, dad and grand dad, went to Ivy League schools. She wan’t low IQ white trash.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Her background wasn't trashy, but her IQ probably reflected reversion to the population mean since she attended Suffolk University, an unselective commuter school.
    , @Difference Maker
    She looked like an airhead and her father was fat. Not aristo ruler type material
  35. “Polls show that media people mainly listen to other media people.”

    I’m not sure how interesting this point is going to be to the posters here, but I’d be curious as to what the thinking is on this point.

    Remember that Home Alone movie? That movie kind of freaked me out, because the family in that movie had a monster house that cost umpteen zillion dollars, and they flew an army to Paris for the Christmas holidays – all like it was no big deal. I was doing a mental accounting job when I watched that movie adding up how much all that had to cost.

    My point is that what media people seem to think and notice is … well it is kind of like they are from a different world, and have nothing to do with the reality I see around me.

    Obviously things differ by regions of the US, but it sure seems like a disconnect to me.

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I’m not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don’t care.

    I wonder just how many people in this country actually read op-ed pieces or anything of the sort from the NY Times, the Washington Post, or any paper like that. Two? Three million? I know people buy it, but just how many people wade through that front page with it’s articles in any given day?

    People that have to pick up kids from day care just don’t care to know much about Chechens in general.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I’m not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don’t care.
     
    You're from the South, aren't you? Every time I hear one of Steve's commenters talk about the political stuff they're seeing on their Facebook feed from friends to their left, I sign on and find out I'm not getting any of it. Nor am I getting any opposition to it or any kind of political content at all. They're just all talking about their kids.
    , @Hepp

    I wonder just how many people in this country actually read op-ed pieces or anything of the sort from the NY Times, the Washington Post, or any paper like that. Two? Three million? I know people buy it, but just how many people wade through that front page with it’s articles in any given day?
     
    If you watch cable news, you'll see that a lot of their coverage is based on stories and opinion pieces that are in the Washington Post, NYT, and WSJ. For example, last week Joe Lieberman had the most read article on the WSJ, and he was on Fox News talking about it later that day. So these papers may not be read by many, but they set the agenda.
  36. Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It’s a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator).

    However , this guy can tell what he want, hes free to do so in germany. Nobody cares. Whit a small exception. Not at the position he have had. He knows it agreed with a contract and signed it, and he was paid for very good not to go public with his mind for german bundesbank.

    But in my opinion he sees a chance to make more money to violate the contracts with his (surely imho) very silly and crude writings he was exactly paid to do not nether ever because he has the public alertness which is coupled with his position where he never ever have to told things like that.

    Maybe this s complicated germen thinking, in english he’s simple an as………..e.

    The only evidence in his crude descent theories is the career of his own waywarded son who lives on hartz IV (german welfare). But this cant withstand any statistics due to the fact that it_s only one person .

    Thats it, not limiting free speech, it’s simple critic of his writings.

    Imho the main problem is racism against males (femorasisstic woman).

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It’s a country with 80 million people
     
    Are a majority of Germans concerned about the changing demographics of Germany? If so, is there anything that can be done about it?
    , @Stogumber
    Even if the Bundesbank would definitely prefer their leading management to stay uncontroversial - this was not part of a contract, and Sarrazin didn't violate a contract. It's even questionable if the Bundesbank would have reacted at all, if not Chancellor Angela Merkel had publicly denounced Sarrazin. After that, Sarrazin was not dismissed, but resigned - he himself is certain that he could have won a litigation, but only by stirring a public stink, and being a member of the ruling class for umpty years, he shied away from that.
    We mustn't forget that Sarrazin as a young man was a renowned follower of Karl Popper, trying to implement Critical Rationalism in his Social Democratic Party, and Critical Rationalism recommends the formulation of hardy dissident theories and their open debate afterwards - which completely matches the pattern of Sarrazin's books.
    , @fnn
    Here's a blog by a triracial Jamaican for help on overcoming neo-Marxist superstitions:

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/
  37. Steve, you’re missing Sarrazin’s #11:

    “The traditional family is outdated, children do not need a father and a mother.”

  38. @NoName
    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It's a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator).

    However , this guy can tell what he want, hes free to do so in germany. Nobody cares. Whit a small exception. Not at the position he have had. He knows it agreed with a contract and signed it, and he was paid for very good not to go public with his mind for german bundesbank.

    But in my opinion he sees a chance to make more money to violate the contracts with his (surely imho) very silly and crude writings he was exactly paid to do not nether ever because he has the public alertness which is coupled with his position where he never ever have to told things like that.

    Maybe this s complicated germen thinking, in english he's simple an as...........e.

    The only evidence in his crude descent theories is the career of his own waywarded son who lives on hartz IV (german welfare). But this cant withstand any statistics due to the fact that it_s only one person .

    Thats it, not limiting free speech, it's simple critic of his writings.

    Imho the main problem is racism against males (femorasisstic woman).

    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It’s a country with 80 million people

    Are a majority of Germans concerned about the changing demographics of Germany? If so, is there anything that can be done about it?

  39. @Sunbeam
    "Polls show that media people mainly listen to other media people."

    I'm not sure how interesting this point is going to be to the posters here, but I'd be curious as to what the thinking is on this point.

    Remember that Home Alone movie? That movie kind of freaked me out, because the family in that movie had a monster house that cost umpteen zillion dollars, and they flew an army to Paris for the Christmas holidays - all like it was no big deal. I was doing a mental accounting job when I watched that movie adding up how much all that had to cost.

    My point is that what media people seem to think and notice is ... well it is kind of like they are from a different world, and have nothing to do with the reality I see around me.

    Obviously things differ by regions of the US, but it sure seems like a disconnect to me.

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I'm not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don't care.

    I wonder just how many people in this country actually read op-ed pieces or anything of the sort from the NY Times, the Washington Post, or any paper like that. Two? Three million? I know people buy it, but just how many people wade through that front page with it's articles in any given day?

    People that have to pick up kids from day care just don't care to know much about Chechens in general.

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I’m not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don’t care.

    You’re from the South, aren’t you? Every time I hear one of Steve’s commenters talk about the political stuff they’re seeing on their Facebook feed from friends to their left, I sign on and find out I’m not getting any of it. Nor am I getting any opposition to it or any kind of political content at all. They’re just all talking about their kids.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    There is a subset of politically active people on Facebook who love to get into big political battles online. Many people don't like that, so they avoid political posts that will trigger a fight between their left-of-Fidel niece and their right-of-Genghis-Khan brother in law. And there are also people who try to get folks with the wrong politics fired from their jobs, or tey to durum up a public shunning. That's another reason to avoid controversial political posts on Facebook.
    , @Curle
    Regarding FB feeds from friends pushing Lefty narratives. You say you don't receive it.

    Lucky you!

    As for me, a West Coaster, I don't go on FB anymore because the amount of the Lefty stuff streaming through my account from 'friends' annoys me and I don't want to fight back on that forum with people I once liked, including one relative. And, I get almost as annoyed at the 'middle ground' way most conservatives fight over issues that have a demographic cause.
  40. The brightest people have the fewest children.

    Then they should drop their anal-retentive opposition to homeschooling. In what other environment are smart couples having large families?

    • Replies: @rod1963
    It won't be dropped because with state run schooling they control the narrative for the next generation.

    Every tyrant knows that having control of the education system means they can mold the children into what they want like so much putty.
  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @countenance
    13. Children are an entirely private affair.

    Tell that to German families who try to home school their children. My memory fails me, but there was a recent case of such a family who tried to seek American aslyum.

    I think he means the number of children you have is your business, immigrants will make up for lack of children.

    He Does not mention funding methods like social security that transfer wealth from productive children to all elderly regardless of the number or productivity of their children.

    Underfunded state pension schemes are another transfer scheme.

  42. Hey, Marine le Pen has an oped in the Times. Pretty conventional, and fairly smart, not especially radical. But a good sign of her “mainstreaming”, n’est pas?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Mme. Le Pen is twice divorced, with a current live in boyfriend who is the FN No. 2

    She's quite mainstream already.

    Her tenure as FN leader has been emphasizing "de-demonization", a bit like applying Morning Joe thinking to the party. If one observes the FN closely, this hasn't gone over well internally, and the elder Le Pen throws bombs around occasionally.

    As it goes, the only way she becomes President is if Hollande finishes second in the 2017 runoff. Juppe and Sarko would have to run in the first round for that to happen.

    There is a better chance that the FN could hold the balance of power in parliament, if they have higher intensity in the 'third round'. Prime Minister Le Pen is a nice consolation prize if there is another round of President Sarko.
  43. @Whiskey
    Tfr of Jerry Seinfeld, Mark Zuckerberg, Micheal Bay? Is it zero? I dont afaik think Seinfekd has any kids, I could be wrong.

    I'm influenced by the study of iirc, Harvard students by major and sexual activity. Arts majors had a lot of it, engineering and physics majors were mostly virgins. Your average aspiring rapper will have five illegitimate kids while a silicon valley cube dweller, none.

    I wouldn't infer masculinity with number of kids. Michael Jackson being a data point. Male sexiness depends on charisma and charm among high iq men, which means extraversion, or cheap version think equivalent implants, violence and volatility. Chicks dig Chechens. Chechens meanwhile don't possess Wally and Dilbert level focus and concentration.

    Ot: Germany has forbid Pegida marches bc Muslims have made threats. German leaders want to surrender to Islam like most of the West. Surrender is not bad for women they get Chechen type Checheny behavior from the new masters. Bad deal for men. I doubt Muslim men will share.

    Muslims in Italy smashed Virgin Mary statues and urinated on them va Drudge. That's the mark of conquerors. Europeans seem to lack the will to fight. They'd di better to emulate Israelis.

    More thing at work than that.

    We live in a welfare state, there is no need for a extended family anymore, child rearing and elder care is out-sourced. There is no need for a large family when Uncle Sammy is there for all your needs.

    Without white society would have been far healthier, with it, it’s like a Kervorkian suicide machine for whites.

    That said, today’s child rearing is done by Juanita the illegal and the public school system while college educated momma is jonesing for a “meaningful career’, she doesn’t have time for sex, nor for raising little Timmy. Daddy is busy having his soul sucked dry in some Herman-Miller cube farm that rewards docility, conformity and general sheep like behavior. When mommy and daddy gets home it’s almost bed time for timmy. They feed and put little timmy to bed.

    Some parents do the soccer mom confusing it with being a parent, and put their seed into all sorts of organized sports to turn the kid into a order following drone who then really hates his parents for being total d-bags.

    And when Timmy gets older he resents his materialist parents who care more about the Lexus and BMW in the drive way, their designer kitchen and the 60′ plasma screen tv in the man cave. He becomes alienated and screws up in school and put on enough psychotropics to deaden a elephant. If the kid really goes bad, the parents send him to a camp in Belize where they kick the shit out of him until he’s halfway normal. Others just get into self-mutilation. With a lot of luck Timmy survives and goes to college to become another constipated cube drone like daddy. If not, he drops out and does his own thing and become his own man as opposed to being a useless cube drone.

    The Chechan parasite OTOH only gets the table scraps. The Chechen is inbred, loud, violent, stupid, predatory and lazy, the sort of male that is attractive to the dim witted bimbo in high school who confuse stupid and loud with exciting and fun. These sorts of gals have always existed. You can’t fix them. They are destined for misery.

    As a product of public schooling these females know full well there is a safety net for them the moment they get knocked up and pump out another miscreant. The Chechen parasite knows this too, so he attaches himself to the bimbo like a remora knowing without her, he is street trash. The stipend he gets from Uncle Sucker isn’t enough, he blows it on parties and bling, he needs a sugar momma. He can’t do gangster stuff because that’s the Mexican and Black turf. They’ll shoot the Chechen dead.

  44. @Mark Minter
    I bumped into this blogger. The Last Psychiatrist. Anyway I think this is a somewhat relevant link related to this Sailer post:

    "The Wisdom Of Crowds Turns Into Madness"
    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/08/the_wisdom_of_crowds_turns_int.html#c039680

    The idea is that concept of the Wisdom of the Crowd that says in a large sample, the resultant result is ultimately correct. By the time you factor in the extremes, the aggregate answer is usually correct.

    Except in this case a study is cited where in various stages of the sample, the subjects are shown the results of the previous "guesses". And these begin to shift the resultant results.

    "The first round the guesses were wildly disparate, but as everyone got to see the other guesses, they converge remarkably."

    "Why did having the full information (all 12 people's individual guesses) seem to cause less convergence than having the mean of their guesses? It didn't, really; but also because the aggregate is only one number that you converge to; having 12 wildly disparate numbers to converge to is harder. But by the third round, it hardly mattered-- a systematic bias had been introduced into the crowd, which is ironic since it is systematic bias that the Wisdom Of Crowds is supposed to negate. Moo."

    "People following the herd would be boring but not disastrous, except for the other finding."

    "Since the guesses converge, since other people are converging with you and you can see that, the confidence in these guesses goes up: a false belief of collective accuracy with no increase in actual accuracy. "It's unanimous!" Yikes."

    We did this experiment in undergrad research.

    You show someone a sheet with prices on it that were supposedly put there by other people. Then you ask them to guess the price of the item. They will guess based on what other people wrote.

  45. @wren
    Wow, nice find!

    I am not sure about his assertation that "Media are made by people, and media people recruit themselves in a process of self-­ selection, much as lawyers, doctors or engineers do. Polls show that media people mainly listen to other media people."

    Yes, media are made by people, but I don't know about this self-recruitment and self-selection...

    “Yes, media are made by people, but I don’t know about this self-recruitment and self-selection.”

    My dear Wren, turn that “self-recruitment and self-selection” around and it comes out as calculated, purposeful exclusion of those who commit thoughtcrime. So, six of one, half a dozen of the other. The point is that if you commit thoughtcrime, the elite deny you admission to their Clique of the Self-Appointed Morally Superior, and this is the same thing as “self-recruitment and self-selection.”

    Moreover, if you are a member of the elite and you commit thoughtcrime, the elite expel you from their ivory tower. You need but ask Watson, Richwine, Murray, Derbyshire, et al.

    And if you work on air for CNN, dare you mention hasbara?

  46. @anonymous
    That's a nice list he's got. It should be given a name, maybe something like the "PC Commandments". The 13 PC Commandments. Seems most hold just fine in the US.

    Special points in refuting a PC argument if you can cite which PC Commandment is being pushed...

    An alternate list. Many of the same ideas but slightly different emphasis:

    http://fribblings.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-10-principles-of-modern-non-faith.html

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @ Borachio--that list isn't as good.
  47. @nglaer
    Hey, Marine le Pen has an oped in the Times. Pretty conventional, and fairly smart, not especially radical. But a good sign of her "mainstreaming", n'est pas?

    Mme. Le Pen is twice divorced, with a current live in boyfriend who is the FN No. 2

    She’s quite mainstream already.

    Her tenure as FN leader has been emphasizing “de-demonization”, a bit like applying Morning Joe thinking to the party. If one observes the FN closely, this hasn’t gone over well internally, and the elder Le Pen throws bombs around occasionally.

    As it goes, the only way she becomes President is if Hollande finishes second in the 2017 runoff. Juppe and Sarko would have to run in the first round for that to happen.

    There is a better chance that the FN could hold the balance of power in parliament, if they have higher intensity in the ‘third round’. Prime Minister Le Pen is a nice consolation prize if there is another round of President Sarko.

  48. Here is a curiosity, Iceland had a surge or births during their financial crisis. I think what happened was there was a collapse in real estate like in Europe and the US. But unlike the US and Europe, Iceland can only fill an overbuilt real estate market with Icelanders so young Icelanders were able to buy housing and then have children. In the US and Europe immigrants would take up the slack in real estate.

  49. @Whiskey
    Good points about declines in birthrates among the intelligent. I'll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.

    In my experience, it’s very much the opposite; in general, there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders. The level of correlation also does seem to vary by ethnicity; the link between intelligence and attractiveness is relatively strong in people of northwestern European descent, but not as strong, if still there, in people of Jewish descent, which is one reason why so many intelligent Jews have an inferiority/superiority complex about tall, square-jawed, blond WASPs.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    To elaborate, to use my state of Massachusetts as an example, if you go to a depressed, postindustrial area (like Fall River), and observe the local population, then go to a super-swanky suburb (like Weston), where everyone (male and female - you need two six-figure incomes to afford to live there) are lawyers, doctors, or FIRE executives, you will be stunned at the difference in appearance of the residents, and immediately understand why the term "the beautiful people" exists.
  50. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “The only evidence in his crude descent theories…”

    I’m thinking you probably don’t know much about the scientific side of this HBD business. Look around and learn… Ignorance abounds. Of course, if you are especially knowledgeable you should be able to clearly and easily explain why his theories are so crude.

  51. @anonymous
    "I’m under the impression Sarrazin added a 14th point in his book. Any German readers know?"

    So maybe the "Sarrazin Commandments"? That's probably better anyway because it's easy to google...

    yes but it sounds like a Robert Ludlum novel

  52. @iSteveFan

    Fertlity is not magic. It is about women/ girls having more kds early rather than one kid at the close of fertility window. Wnat more high iq kids? Have high iq girls have kds by high iq males at age 16 and continue to age 35.
     
    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don't need each woman to pump out 5 kids. The only reason people see the low birth rates as a problem, IS BECAUSE our nations are allowing millions of immigrants into them, thus changing the demographic makeup. If we had immigration policies like Japan, the low birth rates might be of some concern in considering how to modify your social security system to adequately take care of the elderly. But you would not have the added issue, which is really the primary issue, of being displaced in your own nation.

    And if natives were pumping out 5 kids, combined with mass immigration, or without mass immigration, we'd have problems arising from overcrowding, especially in European nations.

    Birth rates are not the problem, mass immigration is.

    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    Except for all its history before 1970.

    You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year…% with 7 or more persons
    1790…36%

    1890…23%
    1900…20%
    1930…11%

    1970…5%
    1975…4%
    1980…2%
    1990…1%

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    What happened to 1940, 1950, 1960?
    , @iSteveFan
    Except for all its history before 1970.

    Those are good statistics, but they were not what I was thinking about when I made my post. The statistics I had in mind where more along the lines of the percentage of the world's population comprised of Europeans (Westerners). With this in mind, the highest percentage of the world's population that we have been since 1500 was around 30% in 1900. That is combining Europe with North America, so it might be off a little for including non-whites and not including Australia, etc.

    The point is Europeans have never been numerically dominant like the Chinese or Indians. And in 1500, when our share was only 19 percent, we were essentially rewriting the world's maps and creating new countries in the New World. Even during the Roman heyday, the guestimate is that Europe only had 14 % of the world population.

    Your stats are impressive and I appreciate the link, but I still don't believe European peoples ever out bred the rest of the world. We've consistently been below 20% of the world population with a few exceptions. But we don't appear to have ever exceeded 33%.

    However, European peoples in the past seemed to more jealously guard their own territory than they do today, which is the biggest problem we face. Increasing our birth rates AND competing with others in our own countries does not sound like a good long term plan.

    , @Foreign Expert
    I've read that the birth rate in Massachusetts Bay Colony was very near the theoretical upper limit, with some villages averaging 10 children per woman.
  53. @snorlax
    In my experience, it's very much the opposite; in general, there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders. The level of correlation also does seem to vary by ethnicity; the link between intelligence and attractiveness is relatively strong in people of northwestern European descent, but not as strong, if still there, in people of Jewish descent, which is one reason why so many intelligent Jews have an inferiority/superiority complex about tall, square-jawed, blond WASPs.

    To elaborate, to use my state of Massachusetts as an example, if you go to a depressed, postindustrial area (like Fall River), and observe the local population, then go to a super-swanky suburb (like Weston), where everyone (male and female – you need two six-figure incomes to afford to live there) are lawyers, doctors, or FIRE executives, you will be stunned at the difference in appearance of the residents, and immediately understand why the term “the beautiful people” exists.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    David Ortiz, Weston resident, would fit in fine in Fall River.
  54. @Hippopotamusdrome
    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    Except for all its history before 1970.

    You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year...% with 7 or more persons
    1790...36%
    ...
    1890...23%
    1900...20%
    1930...11%
    ...
    1970...5%
    1975...4%
    1980...2%
    1990...1%

    What happened to 1940, 1950, 1960?

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    What happened to 1940, 1950, 1960?

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year...% with 7 or more persons
    1790...36%
    ...
    1890...23%
    1900...20%
    1930...11%
    1940...9%
    1950...5%
    1960...5%
    1970...5%
    1975...4%
    1980...2%
    1990...1%
  55. It sometimes seems we live in a world ruled by the Pretty White Lies of Very Nice White Ladies.

  56. Since this turned into a thread about Jews, as usual, which quite frankly is getting a little boring, I’d like to point out that Israeli Jews are one of the few Western populations with replacement fertility, as well as a pretty macho culture and a good portion of responsible high achievers.

    I know, 4 BILLION dollars. New York City’s budget is about $70 billion.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In fact, well above replacement fertility: about 3.0.
    , @Neutral
    Jews are not Western, and Israel is definitely not Western. Israel is not just made up of Ashkenazi, and those ultra orthodox types are more alien than even the ultra orthodox Muslims.
    , @Big Bill
    The Jewish birthrate in Israel is very bimodal. Were it not for the goyim as a common enemy, the two groups would be at each other's throats.

    How bimodal? There was a lovely article in the Israeli press about a decade ago celebrating the life and legacy of an Orthodox great granny with over eleven or twelve hundred living descendants.

    If you have ten kids yourself, and each of those ten has ten kids in turn, you reach some big numbers real fast. But you need to marry a woman who isn't disgusted by sex, her own body, and hard work.
  57. @Twinkie

    I’ll go further and argue fertility is a function of male sexiness, the sexier the men the more women are willing to have their kids. And, corollary, male iq us inversely proportional on average to male sexiness in groups. One explanation of abysmally low Jewish fertility aming Ashkenazi is that their men are too smart and thus lacking in violent dominance women find sexy.
     
    All those low IQ, high "sexiness" Mormon men, what with their high fertility!

    Um, no.

    Male sexiness has little to do with it. Much of it has to do with female IQ. Higher IQ females (especially those with high-paying employment) tend to want to have fewer children because 1) raising children well is hard work and detracts from income growth and career advancement for women and 2) they want to concentrate maximum resources on few children to ensure success in high IQ competitive environments.

    The r/K selection theory works pretty well on this subject.

    Too lazy to look it up but I think audacious epigone found that years of education is the primary driver of low fertility among high IQ women rather than strictly high IQ. Makes sense. If a girl gets an advanced degree and doesn’t join the workforce until 26 she needs to put in a few years of work to pay back those student loans. She also needs to start dating all over again after moving from the small college town to her new career. Kids won’t even be on the radar until 30. Meanwhile there’s high school dropouts becoming grandmothers by the age of 32.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Too lazy to look it up but I think audacious epigone found that years of education is the primary driver of low fertility among high IQ women rather than strictly high IQ. Makes sense.
     
    Yes, that would make sense. On the other hand, years of education (meaning high level education in this case) is highly correlated to high IQ.

    So, again, there is high inverse correlations between a female's IQ and her "fertility" (not really biological fertility per se since high IQ usually correlates to good genes and probably to natural fertility as well), meaning the number of children she has.
  58. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since this turned into a thread about Jews, as usual, which quite frankly is getting a little boring, I'd like to point out that Israeli Jews are one of the few Western populations with replacement fertility, as well as a pretty macho culture and a good portion of responsible high achievers.

    I know, 4 BILLION dollars. New York City's budget is about $70 billion.

    In fact, well above replacement fertility: about 3.0.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Yes, but I adjust for the Haredim. Most Israelis have the same opinion of the Haredim that everyone else does. They aren't really part of society, except when they're being a pain in the neck. The Arabs have lots of children, too, because it's a relatively good situation for them. But I don't think either of them have a deep connection to the nation state, which is the group that really counts, there and everywhere.
  59. @Steve Sailer
    I'm under the impression Sarrazin added a 14th point in his book. Any German readers know?

    Sarrazins 14 Tugendterror-Thesen

    Considering the German mindset, ie the importance of being part of the Gesellschaft as compared to being an individual, this from above is important to note:

    They try to instil the fear of isolation in all those who might support you and speak out for you and your cause.

    There are many good comments/insights to be found in the ‘reviews’ of his book on the amazon.de site. Just a small sample:

    Wir haben es in der Bundesrepublik erlebt, dass regelrecht Unvernünftige es in der letzten Generation (also seit etwa 20 bis 30 Jahren) geschafft haben, mit ihrer Leidenschaft der Bevölkerung ihren Willen aufzuzwingen, indem sie eine Generation von Journalisten im Printmedienbereich und im TV an den Unis regelrecht indoktriniert haben.

    And given recent events:

    Genau so wie es Herr Sarrazin in diesem seinem Buch beschreibt ,so wird jetzt ( Dezember 2014) die Pegida-Bewegung diffamiert, beschimpft und in die braune rechte Ecke gestellt.Man will es einfach nicht wahrhaben, dass eine grosse Mehrheit der deutschen Bevölkerung so nicht einverstanden ist mit der Einwanderungspolitik in Deutschland.

    In regards to Pegida, the political class and journalists are following their script, as described Sarrazin, perfectly: it didn’t take long for them to start calling Pegida ‘Nazis in pinstripes’.

  60. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders.”

    Along this line:

    “Intelligence and physical attractiveness”, Satoshi Kanazawa, Intelligence, vol 39, #1, Jan–Feb 2011, p 7–14:

    “This brief research note aims to estimate the magnitude of the association between general intelligence and physical attractiveness with large nationally representative samples from two nations. In the United Kingdom, attractive children are more intelligent by 12.4 IQ points (r = .381), whereas in the United States, the correlation between intelligence and physical attractiveness is somewhat smaller (r = .126). The association between intelligence and physical attractiveness is stronger among men than among women in both nations. The association remains significant net of a large number of control variables for social class, body size, and health.”

    • Replies: @snorlax
    I always love it when my hunches are confirmed right. (And the correlation being much stronger in the UK even confirms my hunch that the correlation is strongest among northwestern Europeans).

    Sorry for bringing up the Jews, I was replying to comment 3 and hadn't read the whole thread, so I assumed that there was some sort of Jew argument going on already. I'm actually almost certainly one of the most pro-Jew iSteve commenters. In any case, I was speaking from a purely academic position of ironic detachment, since I bat 1.375 for 4 on being a tall, square-jawed, blond WASP. (In my vanity, I would consider myself both attractive and intelligent).
  61. @Borachio
    An alternate list. Many of the same ideas but slightly different emphasis:

    http://fribblings.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-10-principles-of-modern-non-faith.html

    @ Borachio–that list isn’t as good.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    In fact, well above replacement fertility: about 3.0.

    Yes, but I adjust for the Haredim. Most Israelis have the same opinion of the Haredim that everyone else does. They aren’t really part of society, except when they’re being a pain in the neck. The Arabs have lots of children, too, because it’s a relatively good situation for them. But I don’t think either of them have a deep connection to the nation state, which is the group that really counts, there and everywhere.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    It's an interesting strategy. The closest equivalent these days for gentile whites are the Amish, but they are still relatively few in number, and tend to breed for unobtrusiveness.

  63. “there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders.”

    You don’t meet many highly intelligent people who are grossly overweight. When I was in the corporate world, I noticed that secretaries and mail room guys might be fat, but top executives were not.

    Also, intelligence in itself is attractive. An intelligent person seems more alive, is more fun to be with. Intelligence can make up for certain deficits in appearance, at least in my experience. I accept that that’s subjective.

    • Replies: @OyVey
    I think that obesity in our modern consumerist societies has a strong association with dysfunctional families and poverty. If this holds true, then the link between attractiveness and intelligence can simply be explained by the fact that intelligent people tend to have stable marriages and a high income.

    For the record: I am overweight and come from a dysfunctional lower class family, so my analysis might be biased.
  64. @anonymous
    "there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders."

    Along this line:

    "Intelligence and physical attractiveness", Satoshi Kanazawa, Intelligence, vol 39, #1, Jan–Feb 2011, p 7–14:


    "This brief research note aims to estimate the magnitude of the association between general intelligence and physical attractiveness with large nationally representative samples from two nations. In the United Kingdom, attractive children are more intelligent by 12.4 IQ points (r = .381), whereas in the United States, the correlation between intelligence and physical attractiveness is somewhat smaller (r = .126). The association between intelligence and physical attractiveness is stronger among men than among women in both nations. The association remains significant net of a large number of control variables for social class, body size, and health."

     

    I always love it when my hunches are confirmed right. (And the correlation being much stronger in the UK even confirms my hunch that the correlation is strongest among northwestern Europeans).

    Sorry for bringing up the Jews, I was replying to comment 3 and hadn’t read the whole thread, so I assumed that there was some sort of Jew argument going on already. I’m actually almost certainly one of the most pro-Jew iSteve commenters. In any case, I was speaking from a purely academic position of ironic detachment, since I bat 1.375 for 4 on being a tall, square-jawed, blond WASP. (In my vanity, I would consider myself both attractive and intelligent).

  65. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Yes, but I adjust for the Haredim. Most Israelis have the same opinion of the Haredim that everyone else does. They aren't really part of society, except when they're being a pain in the neck. The Arabs have lots of children, too, because it's a relatively good situation for them. But I don't think either of them have a deep connection to the nation state, which is the group that really counts, there and everywhere.

    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    It’s an interesting strategy. The closest equivalent these days for gentile whites are the Amish, but they are still relatively few in number, and tend to breed for unobtrusiveness.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I was in Pennsylvania for a campaign in the summer and autumn and heard rumors that the Amish were paying healthy white men to add a little variety to the stock. But I live in Brooklyn, and there are equally strange rumors about the Haredim, so who knows.

    I don't know enough about Founder's syndrome v. Jewish heritable stuff to say anything about that.

    , @Anonymous
    Steve, your take on the haredim is overly optimistic. This is not 1900 when most of the haredim and hasidim were living in isolated East European shtetls and rebellious children could escape to America where they could throw off the shackles of obscurantist religion away from the prying eyes of their devout parents. The haredim and hasidim in the U.S. and Israel have near-perfected the art of keeping their young totally dependent on the community by limiting their secular educations, even the 3R's, to almost nothing and cutting them off from the secular world. All too many of the ones who stay in the community end up welfare parasites. The few who are courageous enough to try to leave tend to have a terribly difficult time establishing careers and independence. In light of this, I am deeply skeptical that the next crew of Einsteins, von Neumanns and Habers will derive from this stock.
    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Last year in Pennsylvania, I heard rumors that the Amish were paying healthy white men to add some variety to the stock. But I live in Brooklyn, where thee are equally strange rumors about the Haredim. Part of being unobtrusive is people start to imagine things about you, I guess.

    I don't know enough about Founder's syndrome v. Hassidic inbreeding to comment on that.
    , @Clyde

    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.
     
    Correct!
    My cousin lives there.
    She has three sons
    24 grandchildren from them
    Yes they are Haredi but modern Orthodox, I am not sure. Israel has its own ways of making family formation more affordable for the respectful, intelligent middle class.
  66. @Hippopotamusdrome
    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    Except for all its history before 1970.

    You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year...% with 7 or more persons
    1790...36%
    ...
    1890...23%
    1900...20%
    1930...11%
    ...
    1970...5%
    1975...4%
    1980...2%
    1990...1%

    Except for all its history before 1970.

    Those are good statistics, but they were not what I was thinking about when I made my post. The statistics I had in mind where more along the lines of the percentage of the world’s population comprised of Europeans (Westerners). With this in mind, the highest percentage of the world’s population that we have been since 1500 was around 30% in 1900. That is combining Europe with North America, so it might be off a little for including non-whites and not including Australia, etc.

    The point is Europeans have never been numerically dominant like the Chinese or Indians. And in 1500, when our share was only 19 percent, we were essentially rewriting the world’s maps and creating new countries in the New World. Even during the Roman heyday, the guestimate is that Europe only had 14 % of the world population.

    Your stats are impressive and I appreciate the link, but I still don’t believe European peoples ever out bred the rest of the world. We’ve consistently been below 20% of the world population with a few exceptions. But we don’t appear to have ever exceeded 33%.

    However, European peoples in the past seemed to more jealously guard their own territory than they do today, which is the biggest problem we face. Increasing our birth rates AND competing with others in our own countries does not sound like a good long term plan.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    When we're talking about what percentage of the world population it makes up, I think it makes more sense to define "Europe" as a civilization (whose borders have changed dramatically over time) rather than a geographical entity. For example, during the "Roman heyday," North Africa was part of European civilization, but Scandinavia was not. Whereas today, Australia is part of European civilization, but Egypt is not.
  67. 1. Dysgenic fertility is entirely female. Fertility is about equal for all male IQ groups.

    2. Fatness is still pretty common in higher income men.

    3. A country is brunet, not brunette.

  68. @iSteveFan
    Except for all its history before 1970.

    Those are good statistics, but they were not what I was thinking about when I made my post. The statistics I had in mind where more along the lines of the percentage of the world's population comprised of Europeans (Westerners). With this in mind, the highest percentage of the world's population that we have been since 1500 was around 30% in 1900. That is combining Europe with North America, so it might be off a little for including non-whites and not including Australia, etc.

    The point is Europeans have never been numerically dominant like the Chinese or Indians. And in 1500, when our share was only 19 percent, we were essentially rewriting the world's maps and creating new countries in the New World. Even during the Roman heyday, the guestimate is that Europe only had 14 % of the world population.

    Your stats are impressive and I appreciate the link, but I still don't believe European peoples ever out bred the rest of the world. We've consistently been below 20% of the world population with a few exceptions. But we don't appear to have ever exceeded 33%.

    However, European peoples in the past seemed to more jealously guard their own territory than they do today, which is the biggest problem we face. Increasing our birth rates AND competing with others in our own countries does not sound like a good long term plan.

    When we’re talking about what percentage of the world population it makes up, I think it makes more sense to define “Europe” as a civilization (whose borders have changed dramatically over time) rather than a geographical entity. For example, during the “Roman heyday,” North Africa was part of European civilization, but Scandinavia was not. Whereas today, Australia is part of European civilization, but Egypt is not.

  69. @Hippopotamusdrome
    The West was never about quantity, but quality. You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    Except for all its history before 1970.

    You don’t need each woman to pump out 5 kids.

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year...% with 7 or more persons
    1790...36%
    ...
    1890...23%
    1900...20%
    1930...11%
    ...
    1970...5%
    1975...4%
    1980...2%
    1990...1%

    I’ve read that the birth rate in Massachusetts Bay Colony was very near the theoretical upper limit, with some villages averaging 10 children per woman.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    What theoretical upper limit somewhere around 10?

    I grew up around numerous Catholics, and saw plenty of really big families. They 'vote' early and often. One of those families topped out at 19 kids, and they had to build a dormitory addition to house all the mouths to feed. They also got plenty of use out of deer tags during hunting season.

    Of course, that was during the post-war baby boom, so your more recent mileage will probably vary.
  70. @Steve Sailer
    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    It's an interesting strategy. The closest equivalent these days for gentile whites are the Amish, but they are still relatively few in number, and tend to breed for unobtrusiveness.

    I was in Pennsylvania for a campaign in the summer and autumn and heard rumors that the Amish were paying healthy white men to add a little variety to the stock. But I live in Brooklyn, and there are equally strange rumors about the Haredim, so who knows.

    I don’t know enough about Founder’s syndrome v. Jewish heritable stuff to say anything about that.

  71. @PenskeFile
    There should be an HBD Hall of Fame wiki type of website, which tracks people like this German gentleman, who were high-achieving members of "polite society" and expressed HBD beliefs. After revealing their support of HBD concepts, so many of these people are smeared by the media and gradually written out of history that we need to track and honor their accomplishments.

    Watson is of course another obvious example. I had to laugh recently when my son told me that he learned at school that the "real" brains behind the discovery of the double-helix was Watson and Crick's female lab assistant. They suppressed her role and she died of cancer at a young age before the truth could come out and she could claim her Nobel prize. Just waiting for the Nobel committee to retract Watson's prize and award it to her posthumously in an appropriately solemn and reverent ceremony.

    Nobel Prizes aren’t awarded posthumously, so it’s not going to happen.

  72. @Jefferson
    "– The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them. Reasons for this are the Islamic cultural background and the poor average educational performance of these groups, which is far below the European average, even in the second and third generation."

    With the exception of France, I notice it usually the blondest European countries that gets the highest percentage of Negro/Muslim DIEversity.

    The most brunette European countries on average gets less of a share of this disease.

    could be that non-white immigrants are desirous of fair , white females.

    https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/are-the-academy-awards-racist/#comment-60935

  73. @iSteveFan

    High IQ White women with careers would not be dating these Chechen losers like the Tsarnaev brothers.
     
    Who do you think married one of those brothers? Katherine Russell was the daughter of a doctor, who was the son of a doctor. Both doctors, dad and grand dad, went to Ivy League schools. She wan't low IQ white trash.

    Her background wasn’t trashy, but her IQ probably reflected reversion to the population mean since she attended Suffolk University, an unselective commuter school.

  74. @Reg Cæsar

    The brightest people have the fewest children.
     
    Then they should drop their anal-retentive opposition to homeschooling. In what other environment are smart couples having large families?

    It won’t be dropped because with state run schooling they control the narrative for the next generation.

    Every tyrant knows that having control of the education system means they can mold the children into what they want like so much putty.

  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    It's an interesting strategy. The closest equivalent these days for gentile whites are the Amish, but they are still relatively few in number, and tend to breed for unobtrusiveness.

    Steve, your take on the haredim is overly optimistic. This is not 1900 when most of the haredim and hasidim were living in isolated East European shtetls and rebellious children could escape to America where they could throw off the shackles of obscurantist religion away from the prying eyes of their devout parents. The haredim and hasidim in the U.S. and Israel have near-perfected the art of keeping their young totally dependent on the community by limiting their secular educations, even the 3R’s, to almost nothing and cutting them off from the secular world. All too many of the ones who stay in the community end up welfare parasites. The few who are courageous enough to try to leave tend to have a terribly difficult time establishing careers and independence. In light of this, I am deeply skeptical that the next crew of Einsteins, von Neumanns and Habers will derive from this stock.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Another argument in favor of the draft, to encourage some societal mixing!
  76. Except for all its history before 1970.

    Year…% with 7 or more persons
    1790…36%

    1890…23%
    1900…20%
    1930…11%

    1970…5%
    1975…4%
    1980…2%
    1990…1%

    That was largely because of giving birth to many children in high expectation of the deaths of at least some of them…

    “At the beginning of the 20th century, for every 1000 live births, six to nine women in the United States died of pregnancy-related complications, and approximately 100 infants died before age 1 year.”

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4838a2.htm

    …and the need for household and farm help, especially if paid help was not feasible. When you are drawing water from a well, scrubbing clothes on a washboard, pushing them through a hand-cranked wringer, plucking chickens, etc etc while nursing a baby, it’s not hard to imagine that you might need some help.

    As life became physically easier, there was no further need to have seven, that four might live.

    Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    "Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though."

    But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that's what women want. Family-positive policies are favored by women everywhere and countries that hand the most power to women tend to have the most family-favorable spending while more male-dominated politics tends to lead to even more catastrophic declines.

    The real blame for the collapse of fertility rates is in men, not women. Contraception has let men have sex without producing children and men have much less interest in having children than women do. If our average child count was what women say they want in surveys, we'd have a ballooning population, if the real child count was what men say they want, we'd be extinct in a few generations. They meet in the middle in the compromise child count that women actually manage to convince men into.

    You can see the difference in sites like this, too, lots of men here who speak of children in purely instrumental ways as a means to carry on the nation or Western civilization or whatever. Women don't speak of children in this way, most women actually want children.
  77. @Harry Baldwin
    “there appears to be a pretty noticeable positive correlation between physical attractiveness and intelligence, in both genders.”

    You don't meet many highly intelligent people who are grossly overweight. When I was in the corporate world, I noticed that secretaries and mail room guys might be fat, but top executives were not.

    Also, intelligence in itself is attractive. An intelligent person seems more alive, is more fun to be with. Intelligence can make up for certain deficits in appearance, at least in my experience. I accept that that's subjective.

    I think that obesity in our modern consumerist societies has a strong association with dysfunctional families and poverty. If this holds true, then the link between attractiveness and intelligence can simply be explained by the fact that intelligent people tend to have stable marriages and a high income.

    For the record: I am overweight and come from a dysfunctional lower class family, so my analysis might be biased.

  78. @The Z Blog
    Tribalism->Christianity->Nationalism->Cultural Marxism. What is the next item in the series? Until someone knows, we remain stuck with a ruling class animated by a collection of weird ideas about human nature.

    I’m sure it’ll be a borderless world ruled by a small clique of corporate elites. In many respects this is already the case, although there are still countries resisting (“rogue states”).

  79. @Steve Sailer
    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    It's an interesting strategy. The closest equivalent these days for gentile whites are the Amish, but they are still relatively few in number, and tend to breed for unobtrusiveness.

    Last year in Pennsylvania, I heard rumors that the Amish were paying healthy white men to add some variety to the stock. But I live in Brooklyn, where thee are equally strange rumors about the Haredim. Part of being unobtrusive is people start to imagine things about you, I guess.

    I don’t know enough about Founder’s syndrome v. Hassidic inbreeding to comment on that.

  80. @ Ghost of Al Smith

    I know, 4 BILLION dollars. New York City’s budget is about $70 billion.

    I doubt that many of the comment cohort are overly concerned about rounding error fiscal contributions to Israel. If you find that the primary purpose of many comment threads appears to be scapegoating or Jew-baiting that renders these threads tedious and dull, I sympathize. The purpose is not to vilify or proselytize but to understand.

  81. @Steve Sailer
    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    It's an interesting strategy. The closest equivalent these days for gentile whites are the Amish, but they are still relatively few in number, and tend to breed for unobtrusiveness.

    The Haredim are a reserve breeding stock for the Jewish nation.

    Correct!
    My cousin lives there.
    She has three sons
    24 grandchildren from them
    Yes they are Haredi but modern Orthodox, I am not sure. Israel has its own ways of making family formation more affordable for the respectful, intelligent middle class.

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Strangely enough, while pontificating about ‘free speech’, Sarrazin self-censors about the real reason why certain subjects are held under such strict public taboo in today’s Germany, namely certain events lasting from 1933 to 1945.
    Basically this has rendered any argument concerning ‘race and immigration’ in Germany void – a massive overcompensation concerning events far removed from today’s reality.
    Germans are by nature a tough-minded eminently practical people. It’s hard to fool a German – this can’t be said about certain other European ethnicities. What we are seeing with the emergence of Pegida is a genuine, spontaneous people’s revolt – comparable to the early phase of a revolution – by the ordinary German folk against a government enforced policy which they *know* is madness and will only have catastrophic consequences.
    Now, Spain pursued a similarly mad immigration policy before it crashed and burned. You never saw ordinary Spaniards marching in the street against it. That, in a nutshell, explains the capability of Germans compared against Spaniards.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Strangely enough, while pontificating about ‘free speech’, Sarrazin self-censors about the real reason why certain subjects are held under such strict public taboo in today’s Germany, namely certain events lasting from 1933 to 1945."

    But then, there was no free speech in Nazi Germany.

    So, calling for free speech is to be anti-Nazi-esque.
  83. Gotta love the Germans. Compare this piece to the 10,000-word ramblings of feminist/pc/leftist rhetoric and one can easily tell who is being honest and who is not.

  84. 47: not true, how did you come to imagine it?

  85. I’m surprised nobody here has complained that he didn’t mention criticism of Jews in his list of taboos. Then again, maybe he associates that with criticism of Israel, which is quite un-taboo.

    • Replies: @fnn
    In Germany, that's obviously such a taboo that only a lunatic would bring it up. Israel is attacked by European whites as the last of the "white settler states." Rhodesia and the old South Africa were destroyed long ago.
  86. Hello, Sir.

    My name is Kamran Maharramov and I am a man from Iran who is very desirous of acquiring the power of the white master race. Please explain to me Mr. Sailer how to acquire this power.

    I’m willing to consult with you on skype. My skype name is: Kamran Maharramov.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Kamran - it's not about 'power,' so much as it's about competence. The Anglos and Europeans got successful first, then they got powerful.

    Anyway, here's my advice on raising the stock of the Persian race:

    Abolish Islam, cousin marriage and polygamy.

    Frankly, I'd also end state-provided welfare as dysgenic, dystopic and ultimately unsustainable. They may have made it work over in that Prussian anthill but I don't know about anywhere else.

    Protect property rights, free markets and the rule of law. Bribery and graft should be punished severely. Also, consider adopting the English common law and the American Uniform Commercial Code.

    Maintaining such a regime and ingraining it in the culture will require rule by a far-sighted elite, and restriction of the vote to male property-owners.

    It's a multi-generational process. Good luck.

  87. @NoName
    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It's a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator).

    However , this guy can tell what he want, hes free to do so in germany. Nobody cares. Whit a small exception. Not at the position he have had. He knows it agreed with a contract and signed it, and he was paid for very good not to go public with his mind for german bundesbank.

    But in my opinion he sees a chance to make more money to violate the contracts with his (surely imho) very silly and crude writings he was exactly paid to do not nether ever because he has the public alertness which is coupled with his position where he never ever have to told things like that.

    Maybe this s complicated germen thinking, in english he's simple an as...........e.

    The only evidence in his crude descent theories is the career of his own waywarded son who lives on hartz IV (german welfare). But this cant withstand any statistics due to the fact that it_s only one person .

    Thats it, not limiting free speech, it's simple critic of his writings.

    Imho the main problem is racism against males (femorasisstic woman).

    Even if the Bundesbank would definitely prefer their leading management to stay uncontroversial – this was not part of a contract, and Sarrazin didn’t violate a contract. It’s even questionable if the Bundesbank would have reacted at all, if not Chancellor Angela Merkel had publicly denounced Sarrazin. After that, Sarrazin was not dismissed, but resigned – he himself is certain that he could have won a litigation, but only by stirring a public stink, and being a member of the ruling class for umpty years, he shied away from that.
    We mustn’t forget that Sarrazin as a young man was a renowned follower of Karl Popper, trying to implement Critical Rationalism in his Social Democratic Party, and Critical Rationalism recommends the formulation of hardy dissident theories and their open debate afterwards – which completely matches the pattern of Sarrazin’s books.

  88. @Chuck
    Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial#Germany

    I wonder why

  89. “That was largely because of giving birth to many children in high expectation of the deaths of at least some of them…

    “At the beginning of the 20th century, for every 1000 live births, six to nine women in the United States died of pregnancy-related complications, and approximately 100 infants died before age 1 year.”

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4838a2.htm

    …and the need for household and farm help, especially if paid help was not feasible. When you are drawing water from a well, scrubbing clothes on a washboard, pushing them through a hand-cranked wringer, plucking chickens, etc etc while nursing a baby, it’s not hard to imagine that you might need some help.”

    These types of economically rational calculations always amuse me.
    1) I find it hard to believe that a semi-literate farm family was doing economic calculations to determine how many children to have, and
    2) Only a childless economist could imagine a farmwoman thinking to herself “Farmwork is hard. I think I’ll have 7 babies to make my life easier!”

    My assumption, based on Occam’s butterknife, is that farmers in the past enjoyed f***king. So they did. In the age before birth control, babies often followed.

    joeyjoejoe

  90. @NoName
    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It's a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator).

    However , this guy can tell what he want, hes free to do so in germany. Nobody cares. Whit a small exception. Not at the position he have had. He knows it agreed with a contract and signed it, and he was paid for very good not to go public with his mind for german bundesbank.

    But in my opinion he sees a chance to make more money to violate the contracts with his (surely imho) very silly and crude writings he was exactly paid to do not nether ever because he has the public alertness which is coupled with his position where he never ever have to told things like that.

    Maybe this s complicated germen thinking, in english he's simple an as...........e.

    The only evidence in his crude descent theories is the career of his own waywarded son who lives on hartz IV (german welfare). But this cant withstand any statistics due to the fact that it_s only one person .

    Thats it, not limiting free speech, it's simple critic of his writings.

    Imho the main problem is racism against males (femorasisstic woman).

    Here’s a blog by a triracial Jamaican for help on overcoming neo-Marxist superstitions:

    https://jaymans.wordpress.com/

  91. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since this turned into a thread about Jews, as usual, which quite frankly is getting a little boring, I'd like to point out that Israeli Jews are one of the few Western populations with replacement fertility, as well as a pretty macho culture and a good portion of responsible high achievers.

    I know, 4 BILLION dollars. New York City's budget is about $70 billion.

    Jews are not Western, and Israel is definitely not Western. Israel is not just made up of Ashkenazi, and those ultra orthodox types are more alien than even the ultra orthodox Muslims.

  92. @IHTG
    I'm surprised nobody here has complained that he didn't mention criticism of Jews in his list of taboos. Then again, maybe he associates that with criticism of Israel, which is quite un-taboo.

    In Germany, that’s obviously such a taboo that only a lunatic would bring it up. Israel is attacked by European whites as the last of the “white settler states.” Rhodesia and the old South Africa were destroyed long ago.

  93. @Kamran
    Hello, Sir.

    My name is Kamran Maharramov and I am a man from Iran who is very desirous of acquiring the power of the white master race. Please explain to me Mr. Sailer how to acquire this power.

    I'm willing to consult with you on skype. My skype name is: Kamran Maharramov.

    Kamran – it’s not about ‘power,’ so much as it’s about competence. The Anglos and Europeans got successful first, then they got powerful.

    Anyway, here’s my advice on raising the stock of the Persian race:

    Abolish Islam, cousin marriage and polygamy.

    Frankly, I’d also end state-provided welfare as dysgenic, dystopic and ultimately unsustainable. They may have made it work over in that Prussian anthill but I don’t know about anywhere else.

    Protect property rights, free markets and the rule of law. Bribery and graft should be punished severely. Also, consider adopting the English common law and the American Uniform Commercial Code.

    Maintaining such a regime and ingraining it in the culture will require rule by a far-sighted elite, and restriction of the vote to male property-owners.

    It’s a multi-generational process. Good luck.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    From your lips to Allah's ears.
  94. 13. Children are an entirely private affair.

    Is this meant to imply a support for eugenics? It sounds like he’s saying that who gets to have children and how many has social implications, and might therefore be rationally regulated by society.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    If the cost for your childbearing is going to be lateraled to the taxpayer, then yes the taxpayers get to have a say in the matter. You may have also noticed that when some people get old, they move to communities where they no longer have to pay for the education of other people's children.
  95. @Sunbeam
    "Polls show that media people mainly listen to other media people."

    I'm not sure how interesting this point is going to be to the posters here, but I'd be curious as to what the thinking is on this point.

    Remember that Home Alone movie? That movie kind of freaked me out, because the family in that movie had a monster house that cost umpteen zillion dollars, and they flew an army to Paris for the Christmas holidays - all like it was no big deal. I was doing a mental accounting job when I watched that movie adding up how much all that had to cost.

    My point is that what media people seem to think and notice is ... well it is kind of like they are from a different world, and have nothing to do with the reality I see around me.

    Obviously things differ by regions of the US, but it sure seems like a disconnect to me.

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I'm not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don't care.

    I wonder just how many people in this country actually read op-ed pieces or anything of the sort from the NY Times, the Washington Post, or any paper like that. Two? Three million? I know people buy it, but just how many people wade through that front page with it's articles in any given day?

    People that have to pick up kids from day care just don't care to know much about Chechens in general.

    I wonder just how many people in this country actually read op-ed pieces or anything of the sort from the NY Times, the Washington Post, or any paper like that. Two? Three million? I know people buy it, but just how many people wade through that front page with it’s articles in any given day?

    If you watch cable news, you’ll see that a lot of their coverage is based on stories and opinion pieces that are in the Washington Post, NYT, and WSJ. For example, last week Joe Lieberman had the most read article on the WSJ, and he was on Fox News talking about it later that day. So these papers may not be read by many, but they set the agenda.

  96. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @PenskeFile
    There should be an HBD Hall of Fame wiki type of website, which tracks people like this German gentleman, who were high-achieving members of "polite society" and expressed HBD beliefs. After revealing their support of HBD concepts, so many of these people are smeared by the media and gradually written out of history that we need to track and honor their accomplishments.

    Watson is of course another obvious example. I had to laugh recently when my son told me that he learned at school that the "real" brains behind the discovery of the double-helix was Watson and Crick's female lab assistant. They suppressed her role and she died of cancer at a young age before the truth could come out and she could claim her Nobel prize. Just waiting for the Nobel committee to retract Watson's prize and award it to her posthumously in an appropriately solemn and reverent ceremony.

    Watson is of course another obvious example. I had to laugh recently when my son told me that he learned at school that the “real” brains behind the discovery of the double-helix was Watson and Crick’s female lab assistant.

    This sounds very much like the myth that Ada Lovelace invented programming.

  97. @Beach

    Except for all its history before 1970.
     
    Year…% with 7 or more persons
    1790…36%

    1890…23%
    1900…20%
    1930…11%

    1970…5%
    1975…4%
    1980…2%
    1990…1%

    That was largely because of giving birth to many children in high expectation of the deaths of at least some of them...

    "At the beginning of the 20th century, for every 1000 live births, six to nine women in the United States died of pregnancy-related complications, and approximately 100 infants died before age 1 year."

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4838a2.htm

    ...and the need for household and farm help, especially if paid help was not feasible. When you are drawing water from a well, scrubbing clothes on a washboard, pushing them through a hand-cranked wringer, plucking chickens, etc etc while nursing a baby, it's not hard to imagine that you might need some help.

    As life became physically easier, there was no further need to have seven, that four might live.

    Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though.

    “Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though.”

    But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that’s what women want. Family-positive policies are favored by women everywhere and countries that hand the most power to women tend to have the most family-favorable spending while more male-dominated politics tends to lead to even more catastrophic declines.

    The real blame for the collapse of fertility rates is in men, not women. Contraception has let men have sex without producing children and men have much less interest in having children than women do. If our average child count was what women say they want in surveys, we’d have a ballooning population, if the real child count was what men say they want, we’d be extinct in a few generations. They meet in the middle in the compromise child count that women actually manage to convince men into.

    You can see the difference in sites like this, too, lots of men here who speak of children in purely instrumental ways as a means to carry on the nation or Western civilization or whatever. Women don’t speak of children in this way, most women actually want children.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    The guy who runs this blog coined the phrase "affordable family formation." We should analyze what that really entails.

    It's not just a cheap house in a low cost-of-living moderate-income area. It entails a boatload of other things.

    Is marriage supported in all sorts of little ways? Is divorced frowned upon? Is pregnancy and childbearing given prestige and accolades? Are men scared that when they get married & have kids that the marriage might break up and the children will be turned against them? If so, why bother?

    Back in time Sailer referred to infant mortality rates in the US. Surprisingly it turns out that Hispanics have the lowest IM rates of all groups - even lower than Asians! -- despite being poor and "underserved." Why? My guess is that to Hispanics, having babies is natural and low-stress. They love Mami.

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You'll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn't paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?
    , @Anon
    "But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that’s what women want. "

    Maybe we need National Feminism.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Women want sex with attractive men more than they want children, which is why there are fewer children, and why women like Sandra Fluke can make a living by campaigning for subsidized birth control and abortions.
  98. In fact, well above replacement fertility: about 3.0.

    If you break that down, it’s Jewish fundies doing all the breeding in Israel, right? And the secular rate is probably below replacement?

    Sort of like here. Fundies & Mormons having kids, seculars not. As someone else pointed out, the difference is in the shares of the respective populations.

    Also, intelligence in itself is attractive. An intelligent person seems more alive, is more fun to be with. Intelligence can make up for certain deficits in appearance, at least in my experience. I accept that that’s subjective.

    Following on with the subjective bit, I find people with intelligent-looking faces both more intelligent and more attractive. What’s the word for the phrenology of faces?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Even the most secular group of Israeli Jewish women are at replacement fertility, the moderately religious are above replacement, with the ultra-Orthodox sky-high.
  99. @Jefferson
    "– The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them. Reasons for this are the Islamic cultural background and the poor average educational performance of these groups, which is far below the European average, even in the second and third generation."

    With the exception of France, I notice it usually the blondest European countries that gets the highest percentage of Negro/Muslim DIEversity.

    The most brunette European countries on average gets less of a share of this disease.

    I’m not sure of that. Spain and Italy both have problems with immigrants from Africa / the Middle East coming in.

  100. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    "Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though."

    But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that's what women want. Family-positive policies are favored by women everywhere and countries that hand the most power to women tend to have the most family-favorable spending while more male-dominated politics tends to lead to even more catastrophic declines.

    The real blame for the collapse of fertility rates is in men, not women. Contraception has let men have sex without producing children and men have much less interest in having children than women do. If our average child count was what women say they want in surveys, we'd have a ballooning population, if the real child count was what men say they want, we'd be extinct in a few generations. They meet in the middle in the compromise child count that women actually manage to convince men into.

    You can see the difference in sites like this, too, lots of men here who speak of children in purely instrumental ways as a means to carry on the nation or Western civilization or whatever. Women don't speak of children in this way, most women actually want children.

    The guy who runs this blog coined the phrase “affordable family formation.” We should analyze what that really entails.

    It’s not just a cheap house in a low cost-of-living moderate-income area. It entails a boatload of other things.

    Is marriage supported in all sorts of little ways? Is divorced frowned upon? Is pregnancy and childbearing given prestige and accolades? Are men scared that when they get married & have kids that the marriage might break up and the children will be turned against them? If so, why bother?

    Back in time Sailer referred to infant mortality rates in the US. Surprisingly it turns out that Hispanics have the lowest IM rates of all groups – even lower than Asians! — despite being poor and “underserved.” Why? My guess is that to Hispanics, having babies is natural and low-stress. They love Mami.

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You’ll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn’t paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?

    • Replies: @jo s'more

    Or do you have to buy the whole store?
     
    You can't buy the whole store.

    Those groups are the result of biological selection. You have to be the store. You can't buy it. It's like saying if we all lived like blacks in the hood then our kids would be winning the 100m race and have a chance in the NBA. No, they wouldn't. Those abilities are not the result of behavior but of biology.

    , @Twinkie

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You’ll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn’t paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?
     
    If the Amish and the Hasidim are too "out there" for you, there is always the good ol' (orthodox) Catholicism. There are still "obedient" Catholic parishes in the United States, in which families routinely have 5-10 children.
  101. @ben tillman

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I’m not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don’t care.
     
    You're from the South, aren't you? Every time I hear one of Steve's commenters talk about the political stuff they're seeing on their Facebook feed from friends to their left, I sign on and find out I'm not getting any of it. Nor am I getting any opposition to it or any kind of political content at all. They're just all talking about their kids.

    There is a subset of politically active people on Facebook who love to get into big political battles online. Many people don’t like that, so they avoid political posts that will trigger a fight between their left-of-Fidel niece and their right-of-Genghis-Khan brother in law. And there are also people who try to get folks with the wrong politics fired from their jobs, or tey to durum up a public shunning. That’s another reason to avoid controversial political posts on Facebook.

  102. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    "Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though."

    But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that's what women want. Family-positive policies are favored by women everywhere and countries that hand the most power to women tend to have the most family-favorable spending while more male-dominated politics tends to lead to even more catastrophic declines.

    The real blame for the collapse of fertility rates is in men, not women. Contraception has let men have sex without producing children and men have much less interest in having children than women do. If our average child count was what women say they want in surveys, we'd have a ballooning population, if the real child count was what men say they want, we'd be extinct in a few generations. They meet in the middle in the compromise child count that women actually manage to convince men into.

    You can see the difference in sites like this, too, lots of men here who speak of children in purely instrumental ways as a means to carry on the nation or Western civilization or whatever. Women don't speak of children in this way, most women actually want children.

    “But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that’s what women want. ”

    Maybe we need National Feminism.

  103. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Strangely enough, while pontificating about 'free speech', Sarrazin self-censors about the real reason why certain subjects are held under such strict public taboo in today's Germany, namely certain events lasting from 1933 to 1945.
    Basically this has rendered any argument concerning 'race and immigration' in Germany void - a massive overcompensation concerning events far removed from today's reality.
    Germans are by nature a tough-minded eminently practical people. It's hard to fool a German - this can't be said about certain other European ethnicities. What we are seeing with the emergence of Pegida is a genuine, spontaneous people's revolt - comparable to the early phase of a revolution - by the ordinary German folk against a government enforced policy which they *know* is madness and will only have catastrophic consequences.
    Now, Spain pursued a similarly mad immigration policy before it crashed and burned. You never saw ordinary Spaniards marching in the street against it. That, in a nutshell, explains the capability of Germans compared against Spaniards.

    “Strangely enough, while pontificating about ‘free speech’, Sarrazin self-censors about the real reason why certain subjects are held under such strict public taboo in today’s Germany, namely certain events lasting from 1933 to 1945.”

    But then, there was no free speech in Nazi Germany.

    So, calling for free speech is to be anti-Nazi-esque.

  104. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Since this turned into a thread about Jews, as usual, which quite frankly is getting a little boring, I'd like to point out that Israeli Jews are one of the few Western populations with replacement fertility, as well as a pretty macho culture and a good portion of responsible high achievers.

    I know, 4 BILLION dollars. New York City's budget is about $70 billion.

    The Jewish birthrate in Israel is very bimodal. Were it not for the goyim as a common enemy, the two groups would be at each other’s throats.

    How bimodal? There was a lovely article in the Israeli press about a decade ago celebrating the life and legacy of an Orthodox great granny with over eleven or twelve hundred living descendants.

    If you have ten kids yourself, and each of those ten has ten kids in turn, you reach some big numbers real fast. But you need to marry a woman who isn’t disgusted by sex, her own body, and hard work.

  105. Apparently the German translation of Houllebecq’s new book has already sold 100,000 copies in less than a week. He’s scheduled to appear tonight in front of 600 people at the Cologne book festival, LitCologne.

    http://www.lepoint.fr/culture/accueil-triomphal-pour-michel-houellebecq-en-allemagne-19-01-2015-1897680_3.php

    It’s already the number one bestseller in all categories in France.

    In other news, Dieudonné was able to put on his stage show in Strasbourg to an audience of about 3,500.

  106. “Sarrazin’s bestseller was a little bit like if new Fed vice-chairman Stanley Fischer (to pick a somewhat comparable low-profile insider) were to publish a big book in 2015 explaining that while he’s a lifelong liberal Democrat, his recent years working for Sharon and Netanyahu as head banker of the Israeli government opened his eyes to how self-destructive American immigration policy is and how America should adopt a more restrictive immigration policy like Israel’s. And then Fischer’s book sells five million copies in America … but by 2020 it still hasn’t been translated into German.”

    That’s not too surprising. Solzhenitsyn’s last book hasn’t been published in English either. Afterall, why would anyone want to read one of his books? What’s he ever done in the literary arena?

  107. “NoName says:

    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It’s a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator).”

    Are you a real German, or are you a fake (i.e., muslim) German? Most Germans I’ve met could certainly write better English than you can. I suspect that what you say is not representative of a substantial portion of the German population.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Are you a real German, or are you a fake (i.e., muslim) German? Most Germans I’ve met could certainly write better English than you can."

    I have no idea what NoName's ethnicity is, and from what little I know of T Sarrazin, I consider myself in agreement with him, but what really amazes me is to learn that Mr Anon is so informed on Germans that he can tell who is a real or a fake one just by studying the English proficiency of a single comment on a blog. Wow! He must be really perceptive -- or I guess he could also just be an uninformed dolt spouting on things he clearly has no idea about.

    Hmm, which is more likely? I'm going to have to ask the good Reverend Bayes for help on this one.

    But it's also interesting to know how the self-appointed ethnicity inspectors at Unz.com will immediately assume you're a neocon (i.e. a Jew) if you say something not to their liking, and failing to make that stick, they next move on to assuming you're a muslim. Or, again, maybe that's just the dolts among them.
    , @Matra
    German? Most Germans I’ve met could certainly write better English than you can.

    I'm not sure about written English but Germans are not as proficient speakers of English as most of their neighbours, particularly the Dutch and Scandinavians. Based on personal experience young Poles and Czechs are also more likely to speak English than typical Germans. Even in customer service positions (eg major train stations in tourist cities) it is not that unusual for none of the staff to be able to communicate effectively in English - though they often think they can.
  108. @Hepp

    13. Children are an entirely private affair.
     
    Is this meant to imply a support for eugenics? It sounds like he's saying that who gets to have children and how many has social implications, and might therefore be rationally regulated by society.

    If the cost for your childbearing is going to be lateraled to the taxpayer, then yes the taxpayers get to have a say in the matter. You may have also noticed that when some people get old, they move to communities where they no longer have to pay for the education of other people’s children.

  109. joey – American farm families were not necessarily illiterate; far from it. I didn’t say that they were doing “economic calculations”; I said that there was a high level of infant mortality, and that help was needed. Reliable birth control would’ve produced interesting results, but families still would have been large by our standards. By the way, I’m not an economist, and I have three kids.

    Jaakko – excellent points, with a couple of caveats. If American women wanted lots of children, (white) fertility wouldn’t have fallen off a cliff with the advent of birth control, and women entering the work force. Women are the ones who control that. Bright, educated women, the sort we want having kids, look at the divorce rate, analyze how hard it is to raise kids on their own and still provide for their own retirements, etc, and increasingly shy away. It’s not that they don’t want kids. Which leads me to my second qualification: America isn’t Sweden. I agree that American women would love the support that Scandinavian countries give working mothers, and if implemented, they’d very likely have more kids, as well. In the absence of that, many happily married women would still have several children if they could maintain a semblance of a middle class lifestyle on their husband’s income alone, but increasingly, it’s just not possible. Steve’s “affordable family formation” is a big factor.

  110. @Jaakko Raipala
    "Women entering the paid workforce in droves has driven the real nail in the coffin, though."

    But places like Scandinavia where women in workforce have been the most eagerly accepted have relatively high birth rates (and no, not just because of immigrants). The much derided feminism of Sweden also means a lot of focus to help combine work with families because that's what women want. Family-positive policies are favored by women everywhere and countries that hand the most power to women tend to have the most family-favorable spending while more male-dominated politics tends to lead to even more catastrophic declines.

    The real blame for the collapse of fertility rates is in men, not women. Contraception has let men have sex without producing children and men have much less interest in having children than women do. If our average child count was what women say they want in surveys, we'd have a ballooning population, if the real child count was what men say they want, we'd be extinct in a few generations. They meet in the middle in the compromise child count that women actually manage to convince men into.

    You can see the difference in sites like this, too, lots of men here who speak of children in purely instrumental ways as a means to carry on the nation or Western civilization or whatever. Women don't speak of children in this way, most women actually want children.

    Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Women want sex with attractive men more than they want children, which is why there are fewer children, and why women like Sandra Fluke can make a living by campaigning for subsidized birth control and abortions.

  111. @ben tillman

    Case in point: on the street, at least my street, no one pays the slightest bit of attention to Ukraine, the Middle East, or anything of that sort. I’m not sure they could find it on a map, but they just don’t care.
     
    You're from the South, aren't you? Every time I hear one of Steve's commenters talk about the political stuff they're seeing on their Facebook feed from friends to their left, I sign on and find out I'm not getting any of it. Nor am I getting any opposition to it or any kind of political content at all. They're just all talking about their kids.

    Regarding FB feeds from friends pushing Lefty narratives. You say you don’t receive it.

    Lucky you!

    As for me, a West Coaster, I don’t go on FB anymore because the amount of the Lefty stuff streaming through my account from ‘friends’ annoys me and I don’t want to fight back on that forum with people I once liked, including one relative. And, I get almost as annoyed at the ‘middle ground’ way most conservatives fight over issues that have a demographic cause.

  112. @grey enlightenment
    there are 35 million people in California, 15 million of them women. These rich, nerdy Jewish guys in silicon valley are getting plenty of action.there are many women who want them, despite it going against this purported evolutionary desire for masculinity.. Maybe 75% of women want masculine traits but 25% or so (the higher IQ women) don't care so much ,and that is what keeps the population stable and Ashkenazim intelligence high

    Identitarian ethnicity is different than nativistim. Off topic, only a idea of new way to define it.

  113. @Svigor

    In fact, well above replacement fertility: about 3.0.
     
    If you break that down, it's Jewish fundies doing all the breeding in Israel, right? And the secular rate is probably below replacement?

    Sort of like here. Fundies & Mormons having kids, seculars not. As someone else pointed out, the difference is in the shares of the respective populations.

    Also, intelligence in itself is attractive. An intelligent person seems more alive, is more fun to be with. Intelligence can make up for certain deficits in appearance, at least in my experience. I accept that that’s subjective.
     
    Following on with the subjective bit, I find people with intelligent-looking faces both more intelligent and more attractive. What's the word for the phrenology of faces?

    Even the most secular group of Israeli Jewish women are at replacement fertility, the moderately religious are above replacement, with the ultra-Orthodox sky-high.

  114. @snorlax
    To elaborate, to use my state of Massachusetts as an example, if you go to a depressed, postindustrial area (like Fall River), and observe the local population, then go to a super-swanky suburb (like Weston), where everyone (male and female - you need two six-figure incomes to afford to live there) are lawyers, doctors, or FIRE executives, you will be stunned at the difference in appearance of the residents, and immediately understand why the term "the beautiful people" exists.

    David Ortiz, Weston resident, would fit in fine in Fall River.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Until very recently realtors in Weston would have tried very hard to get David Ortiz to look at some nice houses in Natick, instead.
  115. @Brutusale
    David Ortiz, Weston resident, would fit in fine in Fall River.

    Until very recently realtors in Weston would have tried very hard to get David Ortiz to look at some nice houses in Natick, instead.

  116. @Mr. Anon
    "NoName says:

    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It’s a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator)."

    Are you a real German, or are you a fake (i.e., muslim) German? Most Germans I've met could certainly write better English than you can. I suspect that what you say is not representative of a substantial portion of the German population.

    “Are you a real German, or are you a fake (i.e., muslim) German? Most Germans I’ve met could certainly write better English than you can.”

    I have no idea what NoName’s ethnicity is, and from what little I know of T Sarrazin, I consider myself in agreement with him, but what really amazes me is to learn that Mr Anon is so informed on Germans that he can tell who is a real or a fake one just by studying the English proficiency of a single comment on a blog. Wow! He must be really perceptive — or I guess he could also just be an uninformed dolt spouting on things he clearly has no idea about.

    Hmm, which is more likely? I’m going to have to ask the good Reverend Bayes for help on this one.

    But it’s also interesting to know how the self-appointed ethnicity inspectors at Unz.com will immediately assume you’re a neocon (i.e. a Jew) if you say something not to their liking, and failing to make that stick, they next move on to assuming you’re a muslim. Or, again, maybe that’s just the dolts among them.

  117. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Intelligence and physical attractiveness”, Satoshi Kanazawa

    I recall that i one of his “studies” Kanazawa claimed to have discovered that black men are more physically attractive than white men. Which, if the alleged positive connection between intelligence and physical attractiveness exists, would mean that black men are also more intelligent than white men.

    But the whole notion is silly. Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking were/are brilliant men but with the best will in the world nobody could claim that physical attractiveness was among their traits.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Einstein was an above average looking man when young. I believe romantic comedy star Paul Rudd has been signed to play the young Einstein.
  118. @Foreign Expert
    I've read that the birth rate in Massachusetts Bay Colony was very near the theoretical upper limit, with some villages averaging 10 children per woman.

    What theoretical upper limit somewhere around 10?

    I grew up around numerous Catholics, and saw plenty of really big families. They ‘vote’ early and often. One of those families topped out at 19 kids, and they had to build a dormitory addition to house all the mouths to feed. They also got plenty of use out of deer tags during hunting season.

    Of course, that was during the post-war baby boom, so your more recent mileage will probably vary.

  119. @Anonymous
    “Intelligence and physical attractiveness”, Satoshi Kanazawa

    I recall that i one of his "studies" Kanazawa claimed to have discovered that black men are more physically attractive than white men. Which, if the alleged positive connection between intelligence and physical attractiveness exists, would mean that black men are also more intelligent than white men.

    But the whole notion is silly. Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking were/are brilliant men but with the best will in the world nobody could claim that physical attractiveness was among their traits.

    Einstein was an above average looking man when young. I believe romantic comedy star Paul Rudd has been signed to play the young Einstein.

  120. @Anonymous
    Steve, your take on the haredim is overly optimistic. This is not 1900 when most of the haredim and hasidim were living in isolated East European shtetls and rebellious children could escape to America where they could throw off the shackles of obscurantist religion away from the prying eyes of their devout parents. The haredim and hasidim in the U.S. and Israel have near-perfected the art of keeping their young totally dependent on the community by limiting their secular educations, even the 3R's, to almost nothing and cutting them off from the secular world. All too many of the ones who stay in the community end up welfare parasites. The few who are courageous enough to try to leave tend to have a terribly difficult time establishing careers and independence. In light of this, I am deeply skeptical that the next crew of Einsteins, von Neumanns and Habers will derive from this stock.

    Another argument in favor of the draft, to encourage some societal mixing!

  121. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Kamran - it's not about 'power,' so much as it's about competence. The Anglos and Europeans got successful first, then they got powerful.

    Anyway, here's my advice on raising the stock of the Persian race:

    Abolish Islam, cousin marriage and polygamy.

    Frankly, I'd also end state-provided welfare as dysgenic, dystopic and ultimately unsustainable. They may have made it work over in that Prussian anthill but I don't know about anywhere else.

    Protect property rights, free markets and the rule of law. Bribery and graft should be punished severely. Also, consider adopting the English common law and the American Uniform Commercial Code.

    Maintaining such a regime and ingraining it in the culture will require rule by a far-sighted elite, and restriction of the vote to male property-owners.

    It's a multi-generational process. Good luck.

    From your lips to Allah’s ears.

  122. Steve,
    Here is a German word to describe the article – ausgezeichnet – meaning outstanding.

    Sarrazin’s name is interesting, as it is similar to the American golfer Gene Sarazen, and sounds, at least in English, somewhat like Saracen. Perhaps that is just a coincidence, as the Saracens were Muslims typically from the Crusades areas.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Perhaps that is just a coincidence, as the Saracens were Muslims typically from the Crusades areas.

    No, it is not a coincidence. From his wiki page:

    He has explained that his name means saracen (i.e. Muslim) and is common in Southern France: "It is derived from the Arab pirates that were called “Saracens” in the Middle Ages".
     
    , @Brutusale
    Gene Sarazen was born Eugenio Saraceni. Capisce?
  123. @DPG
    Too lazy to look it up but I think audacious epigone found that years of education is the primary driver of low fertility among high IQ women rather than strictly high IQ. Makes sense. If a girl gets an advanced degree and doesn't join the workforce until 26 she needs to put in a few years of work to pay back those student loans. She also needs to start dating all over again after moving from the small college town to her new career. Kids won't even be on the radar until 30. Meanwhile there's high school dropouts becoming grandmothers by the age of 32.

    Too lazy to look it up but I think audacious epigone found that years of education is the primary driver of low fertility among high IQ women rather than strictly high IQ. Makes sense.

    Yes, that would make sense. On the other hand, years of education (meaning high level education in this case) is highly correlated to high IQ.

    So, again, there is high inverse correlations between a female’s IQ and her “fertility” (not really biological fertility per se since high IQ usually correlates to good genes and probably to natural fertility as well), meaning the number of children she has.

  124. Sarrazin is a fairly common name in Quebec. According to this French-language wiki page, Sarrasin is indeed a surname given to Muslims in mediaeval Europe.

    Sarrasins

    Sarrasins ou Sarrazins est l’un des noms donnés durant l’époque médiévale en Europe aux peuples de confession musulmane. On les appelle aussi « mahométans », « Arabes », « Ismaélites » ou « Agarènes ». D’autres termes sont employés également comme « Maures », qui renvoient aux Berbères de l’Afrique du Nord après la conquête musulmane. Le terme de « Sarrasin » est déjà employé dans La Chanson de Roland (1080 de notre ère), texte dans lequel il s’applique aux Basques. Les mots « islam » et « musulmans » n’existaient pas en Occident médiéval.

  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I believe romantic comedy star Paul Rudd has been signed to play the young Einstein.

    Russell Crowe was picked to play John Nash. Johnny Depp played Joe Pistone in “Donnie Brasco”. Elyes Gabel plays the (painfully ugly in real life) Walter O’Brien in “Scorpion”. Hollywood has a (perfectly understandable) habit of casting good looking actors to play not-so-good-looking people.

    Paul Rudd.
    http://tinyurl.com/pofmn9g

    Young Albert Einstein
    http://tinyurl.com/mwm5svq

  126. @Ivy
    Steve,
    Here is a German word to describe the article - ausgezeichnet - meaning outstanding.

    Sarrazin's name is interesting, as it is similar to the American golfer Gene Sarazen, and sounds, at least in English, somewhat like Saracen. Perhaps that is just a coincidence, as the Saracens were Muslims typically from the Crusades areas.

    “Perhaps that is just a coincidence, as the Saracens were Muslims typically from the Crusades areas.

    No, it is not a coincidence. From his wiki page:

    He has explained that his name means saracen (i.e. Muslim) and is common in Southern France: “It is derived from the Arab pirates that were called “Saracens” in the Middle Ages”.

  127. @WhatEvvs
    The guy who runs this blog coined the phrase "affordable family formation." We should analyze what that really entails.

    It's not just a cheap house in a low cost-of-living moderate-income area. It entails a boatload of other things.

    Is marriage supported in all sorts of little ways? Is divorced frowned upon? Is pregnancy and childbearing given prestige and accolades? Are men scared that when they get married & have kids that the marriage might break up and the children will be turned against them? If so, why bother?

    Back in time Sailer referred to infant mortality rates in the US. Surprisingly it turns out that Hispanics have the lowest IM rates of all groups - even lower than Asians! -- despite being poor and "underserved." Why? My guess is that to Hispanics, having babies is natural and low-stress. They love Mami.

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You'll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn't paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?

    Or do you have to buy the whole store?

    You can’t buy the whole store.

    Those groups are the result of biological selection. You have to be the store. You can’t buy it. It’s like saying if we all lived like blacks in the hood then our kids would be winning the 100m race and have a chance in the NBA. No, they wouldn’t. Those abilities are not the result of behavior but of biology.

  128. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I recall that i one of his “studies” Kanazawa claimed to have discovered that black men are more physically attractive than white men. Which, if the alleged positive connection between intelligence and physical attractiveness exists, would mean that black men are also more intelligent than white men.

    But the whole notion is silly.”

    I don’t know anything about this, haven’t heard of it before, but I did do a quick google and it looks like there are more articles and not just by him. I’m not sure I’d be willing to take a betting position one way or the other without more study on the matter (what’s wrong with that?), and I’m not willing to go along with citing specific individuals as counter examples. A lot of complex things in this world are non-linear. Here’s an online paper of Kanazawa’s, it seems he makes some very strong claims:

    “Beautiful People Really ARE More Intelligent: Intelligence is just as strongly correlated with beauty as with education”, Satoshi Kanazawa, The Scientific Fundamentalist (a Psychology Today blog), December 12, 2010:

    “…I show, using an American sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, that physically more attractive people are more intelligent….

    …The National Child Development Study (NCDS) includes all babies born during the week of 03-09 March 1958 in Great Britain… and has followed them for more than half a century…. When they were 7 and again when they were 11… their teachers were asked to describe the children physically. For the purpose of the analysis below, the children are defined to be attractive if they were described as attractive at both age 7 and age 11. …

    …The notion that more intelligent individuals are physically more attractive is a stereotype, and, just like all other stereotypes, it is empirically true, as both the American and British data show.”

    Has this paper been refuted? Perhaps he is just a bomb thrower wanting publicity, has an axe to grind, was told to generate clicks for the blog, or perhaps he just doesn’t care for some reason? He might even be right. Has he been “Watsoned” or criticized for bogus science?

    I could believe that this is a case of “fishing for data” or correlation (why look at only 7 and 11 year-olds?). But I’d want to see and read the refutation (and his other work).

    It seems Satoshi Kanazawa is one of those evolutionary psychologists. Those guys are always getting in trouble. It looks like he probably did try to back down, but others in the field maybe rolled their eyes (presumably) and backed him, so everyone now tries to forget the unpleasentness? He has certainly been incendiary:

    “…evolutionary psychologist based in the United Kingdom, who is currently Reader in Management at the London School of Economics. His work uses evolutionary psychology to analyse social sciences …

    …ongoing controversy over views such as that African countries suffer chronic poverty and illness because their people have lower IQs and that black women are “objectively less attractive” than other races…

    …a group of 68 evolutionary psychologists issued an open letter titled “Kanazawa’s bad science does not represent evolutionary psychology”….

    …On the other hand, an international group of 23 scientists defended Kanazawa’s work with another open letter, published in the Times Higher Education…

    …blog post… titled “Why we are losing this war”, Kanazawa claims that Americans are unable to win in the Middle East—and in the “global clash of civilizations”—because they do not hate their enemies enough.”

    That Africa comment sounds like something someone else said as well…

    Given 23 folks signed a pro-Kanazawa letter, I’d say the verdict is still out and he’s probably not an isolated crank. But sure, a lot more data, more study needed. What’s wrong with letting the scientists have at it?

    He also is a co-author of “Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters: From Dating, Shopping, and Praying to Going to War and Becoming a Billionaire—Two Evolutionary Psychologists Explain Why We Do What We Do”, among other books.

  129. @Mr. Anon
    "NoName says:

    Ok guys, i am german, but germany is not a small village. It’s a country with 80 million people and you travel 8 hours from one end to the other (if you are german and trained to drive a car with not more then 245 km/h which is the limit german carmakers agreed to regulate the carburator)."

    Are you a real German, or are you a fake (i.e., muslim) German? Most Germans I've met could certainly write better English than you can. I suspect that what you say is not representative of a substantial portion of the German population.

    German? Most Germans I’ve met could certainly write better English than you can.

    I’m not sure about written English but Germans are not as proficient speakers of English as most of their neighbours, particularly the Dutch and Scandinavians. Based on personal experience young Poles and Czechs are also more likely to speak English than typical Germans. Even in customer service positions (eg major train stations in tourist cities) it is not that unusual for none of the staff to be able to communicate effectively in English – though they often think they can.

  130. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    About the name Sarazin, ancestry.com gives:

    “Sarazin Family History

    Sarazin Name Meaning

    French and Dutch: nickname for someone of swarthy appearance or for an unruly person, or for someone who had taken part in a Crusade, from Old French sarrazin ‘Saracen’ (compare Italian Saraceno). This word came into French via Latin and Greek from a Semitic term, perhaps akin to Arabic sharq ‘sunrise’, ‘east’, from sharaqa ‘to rise’.”

    About Sarrazin Family History

    Sarrazin Name Meaning

    French, Dutch, and German: variant of Sarazin.”

    Who knows.

  131. @Steve Sailer
    What happened to 1940, 1950, 1960?

    What happened to 1940, 1950, 1960?

    U.S. Households by Size, 1790–2006
    Year…% with 7 or more persons
    1790…36%

    1890…23%
    1900…20%
    1930…11%
    1940…9%
    1950…5%
    1960…5%
    1970…5%
    1975…4%
    1980…2%
    1990…1%

  132. @WhatEvvs
    The guy who runs this blog coined the phrase "affordable family formation." We should analyze what that really entails.

    It's not just a cheap house in a low cost-of-living moderate-income area. It entails a boatload of other things.

    Is marriage supported in all sorts of little ways? Is divorced frowned upon? Is pregnancy and childbearing given prestige and accolades? Are men scared that when they get married & have kids that the marriage might break up and the children will be turned against them? If so, why bother?

    Back in time Sailer referred to infant mortality rates in the US. Surprisingly it turns out that Hispanics have the lowest IM rates of all groups - even lower than Asians! -- despite being poor and "underserved." Why? My guess is that to Hispanics, having babies is natural and low-stress. They love Mami.

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You'll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn't paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You’ll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn’t paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?

    If the Amish and the Hasidim are too “out there” for you, there is always the good ol’ (orthodox) Catholicism. There are still “obedient” Catholic parishes in the United States, in which families routinely have 5-10 children.

    • Replies: @Hepp
    Mormons are also a good option. Unfortunately the church requires a lot of commitment and no alcohol. Also, you have to constantly affirm how much you believe in the doctrine.
  133. @iSteveFan

    High IQ White women with careers would not be dating these Chechen losers like the Tsarnaev brothers.
     
    Who do you think married one of those brothers? Katherine Russell was the daughter of a doctor, who was the son of a doctor. Both doctors, dad and grand dad, went to Ivy League schools. She wan't low IQ white trash.

    She looked like an airhead and her father was fat. Not aristo ruler type material

  134. @Twinkie

    We should look at religious minorities (Amish, Hasidim) to see why they have such stable families and high birthrates. You’ll find that babies confer prestige, families stick together due to social pressures, you never have to pay for baby clothes, life is full of celebration and ceremony. This isn’t paradise but it works for them. Maybe some of it might work for the rest of us? Or do you have to buy the whole store?
     
    If the Amish and the Hasidim are too "out there" for you, there is always the good ol' (orthodox) Catholicism. There are still "obedient" Catholic parishes in the United States, in which families routinely have 5-10 children.

    Mormons are also a good option. Unfortunately the church requires a lot of commitment and no alcohol. Also, you have to constantly affirm how much you believe in the doctrine.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Mormons are also a good option. Unfortunately the church requires a lot of commitment and no alcohol.
     
    If you were to become a good Catholic, you would be welcome to drink a good bottle of Bordeaux, and sometimes your local parish Priest may join you.

    I don't know about you, but for me, no thanks to religions that ban pork or alcohol. As Hilaire Belloc put forth, "Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine."
  135. I can agree with most Sarrazin said, but there are 2 major issues.

    The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them.

    That would be a problem if there were significant immigration from Africa or Muslim countries to Germany. But there isn’t. The largest group of Muslims in Germany are the Turks. Last year net migration of Turks to Germany actually was negative. Syrians came in relatively large numbers (some 20,000) last year, but that’s due to the civil war there. How many of them will stay for longer will have to be seen.
    Immigration from Sub-Saharan Africa is negligible.

    No access to most non-Chinese websites today (only UNZ & tagesschau.de seem to work fine), so I can’t provide good sources. This (in German) has to suffice:
    http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/bilder/zuwanderung-107.html

    The 2nd issue I have is with him painting himself as the victim of the MS media. That’s not entirely true. There were a number of articles defending or supporting him. Particularly the (center right) FAZ, one of the major newspapers in Germany, had IIRC some article in Sarrazin’s favor. Die Welt, a conservative newspaper, probably had some, as well (but I don’t know, since I don’t read it regularly).
    The other 2 major newspapers, Die Zeit & Süddeutsche, are left & center left, so no wonder that they were quite negative about his theses. But even they may have had op-eds supporting him.

    • Replies: @HA
    That would be a problem if there were significant immigration from Africa or Muslim countries to Germany. But there isn’t.

    I would add to that that whatever immigration has to be in order to be regarded as "significant" in, say, metropolitan France, is probably going to be significantly larger than what they would regard as significant in Germany. (The discrepancy would be even larger if we were talking about Austria.)

    That's just a guess, and I'm not sure how to quantify that -- I would take a stab by recording the "tipping point" of minority-occupancy in a given neighborhood or apartment complex that triggers white-flight, and seeing how that compares across Europe, but as you say, each country has a different immigration profile, so the comparison would not be a fair one.
  136. @Ivy
    Steve,
    Here is a German word to describe the article - ausgezeichnet - meaning outstanding.

    Sarrazin's name is interesting, as it is similar to the American golfer Gene Sarazen, and sounds, at least in English, somewhat like Saracen. Perhaps that is just a coincidence, as the Saracens were Muslims typically from the Crusades areas.

    Gene Sarazen was born Eugenio Saraceni. Capisce?

  137. @bossel
    I can agree with most Sarrazin said, but there are 2 major issues.

    The kind of immigration that we have in Germany, mostly from Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East, does not solve the problems. It aggravates them.
     
    That would be a problem if there were significant immigration from Africa or Muslim countries to Germany. But there isn't. The largest group of Muslims in Germany are the Turks. Last year net migration of Turks to Germany actually was negative. Syrians came in relatively large numbers (some 20,000) last year, but that's due to the civil war there. How many of them will stay for longer will have to be seen.
    Immigration from Sub-Saharan Africa is negligible.

    No access to most non-Chinese websites today (only UNZ & tagesschau.de seem to work fine), so I can't provide good sources. This (in German) has to suffice:
    http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/bilder/zuwanderung-107.html


    The 2nd issue I have is with him painting himself as the victim of the MS media. That's not entirely true. There were a number of articles defending or supporting him. Particularly the (center right) FAZ, one of the major newspapers in Germany, had IIRC some article in Sarrazin's favor. Die Welt, a conservative newspaper, probably had some, as well (but I don't know, since I don't read it regularly).
    The other 2 major newspapers, Die Zeit & Süddeutsche, are left & center left, so no wonder that they were quite negative about his theses. But even they may have had op-eds supporting him.

    That would be a problem if there were significant immigration from Africa or Muslim countries to Germany. But there isn’t.

    I would add to that that whatever immigration has to be in order to be regarded as “significant” in, say, metropolitan France, is probably going to be significantly larger than what they would regard as significant in Germany. (The discrepancy would be even larger if we were talking about Austria.)

    That’s just a guess, and I’m not sure how to quantify that — I would take a stab by recording the “tipping point” of minority-occupancy in a given neighborhood or apartment complex that triggers white-flight, and seeing how that compares across Europe, but as you say, each country has a different immigration profile, so the comparison would not be a fair one.

  138. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Gene Sarazen was born Eugenio Saraceni. Capisce?”

    I’m not sure. Italy has a tradition in North Africa and the Middle East that goes back, what, 2000 years? North Africa became very important to Rome, it was the breadbasket, odd as that sounds to modern ears. And plenty of Roman soldiers were stationed for long times in places like Egypt.

    Also, didn’t the use of standard last names come pretty late, maybe within only the last 300 years or so? Obvious conclusions often aren’t right in genealogy, but it’s also one of the few places where you can see the erroneous conclusions become an accepted story, and then be proven wrong be a more interesting and complex truth. Sometimes the true answer is you just don’t know and you have to be okay with that.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    North Africa became very important to Rome, it was the breadbasket, odd as that sounds to modern ears.
     
    This is not odd at all as Emmet Scott explains in Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited. The current state is a consequence of Islamic laws and practices that discourage the upkeep of the once very productive land by non-Muslims.
  139. “Gene Sarazen was born Eugenio Saraceni. Capisce?”

    Some of the people named Black in the US are white, some of the people named White are black, and some of the people named Brown are decidedly not brown.

  140. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @anonymous
    "Gene Sarazen was born Eugenio Saraceni. Capisce?"

    I'm not sure. Italy has a tradition in North Africa and the Middle East that goes back, what, 2000 years? North Africa became very important to Rome, it was the breadbasket, odd as that sounds to modern ears. And plenty of Roman soldiers were stationed for long times in places like Egypt.

    Also, didn't the use of standard last names come pretty late, maybe within only the last 300 years or so? Obvious conclusions often aren't right in genealogy, but it's also one of the few places where you can see the erroneous conclusions become an accepted story, and then be proven wrong be a more interesting and complex truth. Sometimes the true answer is you just don't know and you have to be okay with that.

    North Africa became very important to Rome, it was the breadbasket, odd as that sounds to modern ears.

    This is not odd at all as Emmet Scott explains in Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited. The current state is a consequence of Islamic laws and practices that discourage the upkeep of the once very productive land by non-Muslims.

  141. @Hepp
    Mormons are also a good option. Unfortunately the church requires a lot of commitment and no alcohol. Also, you have to constantly affirm how much you believe in the doctrine.

    Mormons are also a good option. Unfortunately the church requires a lot of commitment and no alcohol.

    If you were to become a good Catholic, you would be welcome to drink a good bottle of Bordeaux, and sometimes your local parish Priest may join you.

    I don’t know about you, but for me, no thanks to religions that ban pork or alcohol. As Hilaire Belloc put forth, “Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine.”

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