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  2. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Time to wrap up that New Colossus plaque that has decorated the Statue of Liberty long enough and send it on to Emma Lazarus’ homeland of Israel. The world’s wretched refuse and tempest-tost have benefited America enough. It’s time to share this secret of our success with our BFF Israel, and maybe make copies of it and send them to other poorer countries like Mexico, India and China. They could all benefit from Emma’s wisdom. Let’s not be so selfish.

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    • Replies: @Jack D
    Emma Lazarus was of old Sephardic stock and her ancestors probably reached American shores before yours did.
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  3. eah says:

    OT

    For some reason It’s a Sign of the Times by Petula Clark just popped into my head.

    Oh wow. Looks like @xychelsea is running for Senate.

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  4. Bubba says:

    LOL! Did this swamp creature eat lead paint chips as a kid? He is quoting the incredibly moronic CNN talking head Allyson Camerota! Unless, of course, he is trying to compliment her to get into her pants.

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  5. dearieme says:

    Actually the foundational principle of the country was “You buggers paid to defeat the French, now sod off we’re not paying a penny piece.”

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  6. Flip says:

    Everyone ignores the 1924 immigration law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Everyone ignores the 1924 immigration law.
     
    Huh? Who ignores it? It's one of the reasons the America i grew up in was such a darn nice place. And the 1965 Hart-Cellar immigration act is why the America my kids have inherited is a much more crowded and much much crappier place.
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  7. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The only valid excuse for spelling your name “Alisyn” is if you’re a seventeen-year-old girl with dreams of becoming a singer-songwriter.

    There is no valid excuse for being Tim Ryan.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    'Alisyn' is a Jersey Girl ... need one say more?
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  8. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The enlightenment liberal of old had at least a foot in reality. Now it seems their heads are full of nothing but fiction, fantasy, and propaganda. If it isn’t so, it should be! The curse of modernity.

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  9. Rod1963 says:

    I don’t think progs really believe in anything outside of a particular item’s usefulness to extend their agenda. In the beginning it was black rights/equal rights, then feminism, then the children, then gay rights and now transexual rights and immigrants. Use and discard is their MO.

    When you look at the prog leadership personal lives, they are all blazing hypocrites when it comes to race, climate and class issues. They care for nothing except more power. The difference between them and a Maduro is that they are a bit smarter and look better. Underneath though, they are same nasty SOB.

    They are the very definition of a ruthless, amoral foe that cannot be reasoned with. Only smashed. Trump thought he could cut a deal with them on DACA and they had no intention of meeting him halfway and instead treated him like a imbecile and fool. So he had to blow up the negotiations

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    • Replies: @bomag

    they are all blazing hypocrites when it comes to race, climate and class issues...They are the very definition of a ruthless, amoral foe that cannot be reasoned with. Only smashed
     
    Pretty much spot on.

    There tends to be two types: the Boulder, CO cohort who really believe and mouth the pieties; and the evil manipulators like the Clintons.
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    My thoughts exactly.
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  10. Anonym says:

    Between this Ryan and Paul Ryan, it’s time for some Irish jokes.

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  11. Ed says:

    This is where you can tell the historian discipline has been corrupted. This is objectively false but since it comports to the dominant thought of the media, you will not see one prominent historian on TV contradict it.

    How many Americans know about the Asian Exclusion Act or Immigration restriction acts?

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    • Replies: @International Jew
    They do know about tgem, but they regard them as they regard slavery and Japanese internment.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    The Living Foundational Principles is just the 90 IQ version of The Living Constitution.
    , @Corn
    I’m surprised President Coolidge hasn’t been declared the American Hitler yet because of the 1924 Immigration Act.
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  12. @Ed
    This is where you can tell the historian discipline has been corrupted. This is objectively false but since it comports to the dominant thought of the media, you will not see one prominent historian on TV contradict it.

    How many Americans know about the Asian Exclusion Act or Immigration restriction acts?

    They do know about tgem, but they regard them as they regard slavery and Japanese internment.

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  13. It really is the foundational principle of our (new) country.

    It’s just like a military campaign – capturing the cities means you capture the country. An invading army merely occupies; immigrants transform whole cultures and instituitons. Immigrants “conquered” America’s major cities long before any of us were ever born. They were imported for the same reasons as African slaves – cheap, supposedly malleable labor.

    The new Founding Fathers of America are Ellis Island Era immigrants.

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  14. oneeyed says:

    All right thinking people know how racist and offensive labelling another country a shithole is. There’s one country this logic doesn’t apply to, as demonstrated by this NYT mag writer:

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    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    I remember a time when liberals considered recklessly provocative to insult antagonistic countries with nuclear weapons pointed at us.
    , @anon
    The uniting of two great Christian nations is not good for the Jews.
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  15. Maybe it is considered that now.

    The Magna Carta, the foundational document of England has had its ups and downs. Henry VIII for example ignored its first principle-’that the English Church shall be free’. Other parts have changed too.

    Liberte, Egalite, fraternite? Maybe. Maybe not. Things change.

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    • Replies: @theoldnorth
    “Liberte, Egalite, fraternite? Maybe. Maybe not. Things change.”

    Whoa. That’s like... so deep, man.
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  16. Dr. X says:

    Who the hell is Alisyn Camerota??? I’ve never heard of her.

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  17. bomag says:
    @Rod1963
    I don't think progs really believe in anything outside of a particular item's usefulness to extend their agenda. In the beginning it was black rights/equal rights, then feminism, then the children, then gay rights and now transexual rights and immigrants. Use and discard is their MO.

    When you look at the prog leadership personal lives, they are all blazing hypocrites when it comes to race, climate and class issues. They care for nothing except more power. The difference between them and a Maduro is that they are a bit smarter and look better. Underneath though, they are same nasty SOB.

    They are the very definition of a ruthless, amoral foe that cannot be reasoned with. Only smashed. Trump thought he could cut a deal with them on DACA and they had no intention of meeting him halfway and instead treated him like a imbecile and fool. So he had to blow up the negotiations

    they are all blazing hypocrites when it comes to race, climate and class issues…They are the very definition of a ruthless, amoral foe that cannot be reasoned with. Only smashed

    Pretty much spot on.

    There tends to be two types: the Boulder, CO cohort who really believe and mouth the pieties; and the evil manipulators like the Clintons.

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    • Replies: @Johan Schmidt
    In other words, the "useful idiots" and the revolutionary Vanguard.
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  18. @Ed
    This is where you can tell the historian discipline has been corrupted. This is objectively false but since it comports to the dominant thought of the media, you will not see one prominent historian on TV contradict it.

    How many Americans know about the Asian Exclusion Act or Immigration restriction acts?

    The Living Foundational Principles is just the 90 IQ version of The Living Constitution.

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  19. Is it not? The myth that Americans believe is their forefathers (the huddled masses) left the old country in order to be free and say au revoir to stupid old world hierarchy. That does partly explain American disdain for tired, silly Europe as the place their ancestors were very smart to leave.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Didn't that Muhammad guy, the one who got peas in his mane, run a kebab kiosk? No? Kind of not the same thing?
    No this is gibberish. The Founders were often born and/or raised here and had very specific, uniquely clearly argued ideas about how a society should work. Some illiterate wife-beater shambling through Ellis Island centuries later is not the same thing as a Founder. Insofar as that potato enthusiast accomplished anything it was by standing on the shoulders of giants, not overwriting the past. You want any attention paid to you in these matters read about the Founders, don't invoke nameless caricatures of nobodies.
    , @Black Agnes
    Not always; a significant chunk of my ancestors were the younger children (women and men) of English nobility, and came to the New World because they weren't likely to inherit squat. They took what inheritance they were allotted and headed to Virginia (Jamestown, Williamsburg) in the 1600s to give it a go. Many acquired large parcels of fertile land to farm and exploit for resources, and prospered. It had nothing to do with rejecting European values or mores. The formal English way of conducting oneself is still alive in many parts of the Old South today.
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  20. This would be a great time for 4chan to plan and execute a raid on the SoL to remove that poem and replace it with a MAGA sign.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    Would probably work better as another National Treasure sequel with Nic Cage once again taking the lead.
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  21. You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point….

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    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
    Why would he notice it? It doesn't affect his class. Congressman Ryan is probably doing very well for himself.
    , @Mr. Anon

    You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point….
     
    Constituents are there to vote for Congressmen, not be represented by them.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Tim Ryan has national ambitions, he's passed several times on Senate or Governor, but he's hoping to take Hoyer or Clyburn's spot in the House leadership once Pelosi is gone. The VP nomination is also a possibility under Booker or Harris, though unlikely.

    One has to understand that the labor unions are indistinguishable from the rest of the left regarding immigration/culture war issues. That was the price they paid to maintain their position in the Dem coalition during the height of the DLC in the 90s.
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  22. Corn says:
    @Ed
    This is where you can tell the historian discipline has been corrupted. This is objectively false but since it comports to the dominant thought of the media, you will not see one prominent historian on TV contradict it.

    How many Americans know about the Asian Exclusion Act or Immigration restriction acts?

    I’m surprised President Coolidge hasn’t been declared the American Hitler yet because of the 1924 Immigration Act.

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  23. @Rod1963
    I don't think progs really believe in anything outside of a particular item's usefulness to extend their agenda. In the beginning it was black rights/equal rights, then feminism, then the children, then gay rights and now transexual rights and immigrants. Use and discard is their MO.

    When you look at the prog leadership personal lives, they are all blazing hypocrites when it comes to race, climate and class issues. They care for nothing except more power. The difference between them and a Maduro is that they are a bit smarter and look better. Underneath though, they are same nasty SOB.

    They are the very definition of a ruthless, amoral foe that cannot be reasoned with. Only smashed. Trump thought he could cut a deal with them on DACA and they had no intention of meeting him halfway and instead treated him like a imbecile and fool. So he had to blow up the negotiations

    My thoughts exactly.

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  24. Forbes says:

    When elected representatives are quoting airhead talking heads…the game is nearly over.

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    • Agree: Bubba
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  25. BenKenobi says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    This would be a great time for 4chan to plan and execute a raid on the SoL to remove that poem and replace it with a MAGA sign.

    Would probably work better as another National Treasure sequel with Nic Cage once again taking the lead.

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    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I definitely might see it when it comes out on DVD...
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  26. @William Middleton
    You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point....

    Why would he notice it? It doesn’t affect his class. Congressman Ryan is probably doing very well for himself.

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  27. @Flip
    Everyone ignores the 1924 immigration law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

    Everyone ignores the 1924 immigration law.

    Huh? Who ignores it? It’s one of the reasons the America i grew up in was such a darn nice place. And the 1965 Hart-Cellar immigration act is why the America my kids have inherited is a much more crowded and much much crappier place.

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    • Replies: @Flip
    Completely agree. The immigration pause was the reason for the growth of the great American middle class which we are now losing.

    The bolshies ignore it since it undercuts their zeroth amendment argument.
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  28. @anony-mouse
    Maybe it is considered that now.

    The Magna Carta, the foundational document of England has had its ups and downs. Henry VIII for example ignored its first principle-'that the English Church shall be free'. Other parts have changed too.

    Liberte, Egalite, fraternite? Maybe. Maybe not. Things change.

    “Liberte, Egalite, fraternite? Maybe. Maybe not. Things change.”

    Whoa. That’s like… so deep, man.

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  29. Flip says:
    @AnotherDad

    Everyone ignores the 1924 immigration law.
     
    Huh? Who ignores it? It's one of the reasons the America i grew up in was such a darn nice place. And the 1965 Hart-Cellar immigration act is why the America my kids have inherited is a much more crowded and much much crappier place.

    Completely agree. The immigration pause was the reason for the growth of the great American middle class which we are now losing.

    The bolshies ignore it since it undercuts their zeroth amendment argument.

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  30. @oneeyed
    All right thinking people know how racist and offensive labelling another country a shithole is. There's one country this logic doesn't apply to, as demonstrated by this NYT mag writer:

    https://twitter.com/tannenbaumr/status/951630072125050880

    I remember a time when liberals considered recklessly provocative to insult antagonistic countries with nuclear weapons pointed at us.

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  31. Alisyn Camerota lives in Westport, CT, where the population is 92.6% white, 4% Asian, and doesn’t even register 1% when it comes to “other races.”

    So where does she get off talking about immigrants when she literally never deals with them in her day-to-day life? Actions speak louder than words. Her choice to live in an area that’s virtually all-white displays her real feelings on the subject, no matter what she claims.

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    • Replies: @Duke of Deploraville
    I wouldn't care to reside in Connecticut, but otherwise I envy her living in a 92.6% white city. The spoils of being part of the SJW kommentariat: you get to avoid the consequences of the values you preach, with the further satisfaction of sneering at those who can't avoid them.
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  32. @BenKenobi
    Would probably work better as another National Treasure sequel with Nic Cage once again taking the lead.

    I definitely might see it when it comes out on DVD…

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  33. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Ali Choudhury
    Is it not? The myth that Americans believe is their forefathers (the huddled masses) left the old country in order to be free and say au revoir to stupid old world hierarchy. That does partly explain American disdain for tired, silly Europe as the place their ancestors were very smart to leave.

    Didn’t that Muhammad guy, the one who got peas in his mane, run a kebab kiosk? No? Kind of not the same thing?
    No this is gibberish. The Founders were often born and/or raised here and had very specific, uniquely clearly argued ideas about how a society should work. Some illiterate wife-beater shambling through Ellis Island centuries later is not the same thing as a Founder. Insofar as that potato enthusiast accomplished anything it was by standing on the shoulders of giants, not overwriting the past. You want any attention paid to you in these matters read about the Founders, don’t invoke nameless caricatures of nobodies.

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  34. In his own random boisterous and blustering way, Trump with this “shithole” comment has actually created a great moment to hammer home in American citizens consciousness what is at stake. Unfortunately … we also have the undisciplined, random Trump in charge of seizing it.

    I’d be hammer repeatedly on a few simple points:

    – As DACA negoitiations make clear, the Democrats/progressives do not actually want to have a secure border. They are ideologically committed to open borders. They believe everyone has a right to come here and Americans do not have a right to say “no”. They actually want more illegals to come followed by more amnesties. They want an ever expanding class dependent on state and voting for Democrats–and they get that from immigration.

    – How many people do the Democrats want in America? Give us a number. The American population has doubled in my lifetime. And would have stabilized now but for immigration. Has this made life better for Americans? When does this ideology of immigration! immigration! immigration! end? How many are enough? Does this keep going and going and going until America is packed in like India and China and we are ourselves a shithole country … so no one else wants to come? Is this what you want for your kids?

    – Pretty much all the issues the Democrats/progressives claim to care about:
    – high wages
    – unemployment
    – jobs for and general social condition of black people
    – income inequality
    – status of women/”gender equity”/feminism
    – LBGTQ tolerance
    – housing affordability
    – congestion
    – sprawl
    – social cohesion/community
    – good schools
    – “the environment”
    – open space
    – habit/wildlife preservation
    – overpopulation
    – resource deletion
    – global warming
    immigration makes worse.
    Progressives clearly do not care about those issues, as much as they care about sticking it to Americans with immigration.

    – America belongs to Americans. Not to foreigners, not to wannabe Americans, but to actual Americans. Americans–like all peoples of the world–are entitled to whatever immigration policy they want. It’s their nation they have the right to say “no”. The only reason to let any immigrant into the nation is if their presence will make life better for Americans and their descendants now and in the future.

    – Now is the time for an immigration moratorium. After that we can discuss admitting a small numbers of very high-quality individuals who have terrific skills and talents and the attitude towards America’s history, founding principles and people that will make them valuable additons to the American family. But mass migration to America is not making us stronger, but poorer, more disunited and weaker. That era is over.

    Trump has created a great–perhaps pivotal–moment. Now he needs to act like he actually understands what the hell is at stake and hammer home a victory that will preserve Western civilization and a decent life for Americans.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    You forgot to add at the end, "Can I get an amen?" To which I would have replied, "Amen, brother!"
    , @Ed
    This is all good and well but at some point other Republicans are going to have to pick up the ball here. Trump can’t be all alone on an island here.
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  35. Barnard says:

    I watched part of a PBS show on Spanish Florida where a couple of the academics interviewed claimed that was the true multicultural founding of the United States. The number of true believers out there is very high.

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  36. Jack D says:
    @anonymous
    Time to wrap up that New Colossus plaque that has decorated the Statue of Liberty long enough and send it on to Emma Lazarus' homeland of Israel. The world's wretched refuse and tempest-tost have benefited America enough. It's time to share this secret of our success with our BFF Israel, and maybe make copies of it and send them to other poorer countries like Mexico, India and China. They could all benefit from Emma's wisdom. Let's not be so selfish.

    Emma Lazarus was of old Sephardic stock and her ancestors probably reached American shores before yours did.

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    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    You're correct, but the comment you replied to is also correct. Lazarus' poem described the US as a homeland for Jews in a time before the Zionist movement that led to Israel. If she were alive today, Lazarus could just recommend that the (((tempest-tossed))) make aliyah. Since it is now insisted that the poem means the country is open to everybody, not just Jewish refugees, we ought to extend the logic to Israel. Open to (((refugees))) means open to refugees.
    , @silviosilver
    That actually makes her immigration-boosting worse. It's understandable that recent immigrants would care about little else besides securing their own group's right to abode, but when someone whose ancestors arrived generations ago demands the limitless entry of all and sundry, it's more like an act of vengeance.
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  37. @AnotherDad
    In his own random boisterous and blustering way, Trump with this "shithole" comment has actually created a great moment to hammer home in American citizens consciousness what is at stake. Unfortunately ... we also have the undisciplined, random Trump in charge of seizing it.

    I'd be hammer repeatedly on a few simple points:

    -- As DACA negoitiations make clear, the Democrats/progressives do not actually want to have a secure border. They are ideologically committed to open borders. They believe everyone has a right to come here and Americans do not have a right to say "no". They actually want more illegals to come followed by more amnesties. They want an ever expanding class dependent on state and voting for Democrats--and they get that from immigration.

    -- How many people do the Democrats want in America? Give us a number. The American population has doubled in my lifetime. And would have stabilized now but for immigration. Has this made life better for Americans? When does this ideology of immigration! immigration! immigration! end? How many are enough? Does this keep going and going and going until America is packed in like India and China and we are ourselves a shithole country ... so no one else wants to come? Is this what you want for your kids?

    -- Pretty much all the issues the Democrats/progressives claim to care about:
    – high wages
    – unemployment
    – jobs for and general social condition of black people
    – income inequality
    – status of women/”gender equity”/feminism
    – LBGTQ tolerance
    – housing affordability
    – congestion
    – sprawl
    – social cohesion/community
    – good schools
    – "the environment"
    -- open space
    -- habit/wildlife preservation
    – overpopulation
    – resource deletion
    – global warming
    immigration makes worse.
    Progressives clearly do not care about those issues, as much as they care about sticking it to Americans with immigration.

    -- America belongs to Americans. Not to foreigners, not to wannabe Americans, but to actual Americans. Americans--like all peoples of the world--are entitled to whatever immigration policy they want. It's their nation they have the right to say "no". The only reason to let any immigrant into the nation is if their presence will make life better for Americans and their descendants now and in the future.

    -- Now is the time for an immigration moratorium. After that we can discuss admitting a small numbers of very high-quality individuals who have terrific skills and talents and the attitude towards America's history, founding principles and people that will make them valuable additons to the American family. But mass migration to America is not making us stronger, but poorer, more disunited and weaker. That era is over.


    Trump has created a great--perhaps pivotal--moment. Now he needs to act like he actually understands what the hell is at stake and hammer home a victory that will preserve Western civilization and a decent life for Americans.

    You forgot to add at the end, “Can I get an amen?” To which I would have replied, “Amen, brother!”

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  38. Thought: does the sticking power of this wretched refuse rhetoric have something to do with the fact that Lincoln made Thanksgiving a holiday and Yankee propagandists started emphasizing that the U.S was founded for the purposes of religious freedom for poor little persecuted pilgrims? What if we emphasized the U.S’s earlier origins in Jamestown instead, and its similarities with other colonial nations like Canada, Australia, Argentina, Brazil, etc? The myth of American exceptionalism is a thorn in our side and makes us easy to manipulate. Time to start acting like a normal country.

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  39. Glaivester says: • Website

    I think we should take a page from Stephen Miller’s playbook and start calling it the “Statue of Liberty Poem Law of the Land.” Originally he called it the “Statue of Liberty Law of the Land,” but the third time he added the word “poem” in, presumably because he realized the reporter pool was so dumb they were not understanding the sarcasm.

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  40. So they’re OK with “wretched refuse”, but not shithole?

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  41. @Jack D
    Emma Lazarus was of old Sephardic stock and her ancestors probably reached American shores before yours did.

    You’re correct, but the comment you replied to is also correct. Lazarus’ poem described the US as a homeland for Jews in a time before the Zionist movement that led to Israel. If she were alive today, Lazarus could just recommend that the (((tempest-tossed))) make aliyah. Since it is now insisted that the poem means the country is open to everybody, not just Jewish refugees, we ought to extend the logic to Israel. Open to (((refugees))) means open to refugees.

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  42. Mr. Anon says:

    Tim Ryan began his congressional career in the pocket of telemarketers. He was one of only two Democrats, and one of only seven Congressman period, to vote against the National Do Not Call Registry. Tim Ryan thinks that crooked creeps who sell worthless car warranties to old people should be able to call you up 20 times a day. A real tribune of the people.

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    Some of the largest telemarketers are located in the Akron-Canton metro area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfoCision_Management_Corporation

    http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/11/ex-suarez_corp_cfo_michael_gio.html
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  43. Mr. Anon says:
    @William Middleton
    You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point....

    You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point….

    Constituents are there to vote for Congressmen, not be represented by them.

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    Tim Ryan is the tribune of Shithole Americans.
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  44. Ed says:
    @AnotherDad
    In his own random boisterous and blustering way, Trump with this "shithole" comment has actually created a great moment to hammer home in American citizens consciousness what is at stake. Unfortunately ... we also have the undisciplined, random Trump in charge of seizing it.

    I'd be hammer repeatedly on a few simple points:

    -- As DACA negoitiations make clear, the Democrats/progressives do not actually want to have a secure border. They are ideologically committed to open borders. They believe everyone has a right to come here and Americans do not have a right to say "no". They actually want more illegals to come followed by more amnesties. They want an ever expanding class dependent on state and voting for Democrats--and they get that from immigration.

    -- How many people do the Democrats want in America? Give us a number. The American population has doubled in my lifetime. And would have stabilized now but for immigration. Has this made life better for Americans? When does this ideology of immigration! immigration! immigration! end? How many are enough? Does this keep going and going and going until America is packed in like India and China and we are ourselves a shithole country ... so no one else wants to come? Is this what you want for your kids?

    -- Pretty much all the issues the Democrats/progressives claim to care about:
    – high wages
    – unemployment
    – jobs for and general social condition of black people
    – income inequality
    – status of women/”gender equity”/feminism
    – LBGTQ tolerance
    – housing affordability
    – congestion
    – sprawl
    – social cohesion/community
    – good schools
    – "the environment"
    -- open space
    -- habit/wildlife preservation
    – overpopulation
    – resource deletion
    – global warming
    immigration makes worse.
    Progressives clearly do not care about those issues, as much as they care about sticking it to Americans with immigration.

    -- America belongs to Americans. Not to foreigners, not to wannabe Americans, but to actual Americans. Americans--like all peoples of the world--are entitled to whatever immigration policy they want. It's their nation they have the right to say "no". The only reason to let any immigrant into the nation is if their presence will make life better for Americans and their descendants now and in the future.

    -- Now is the time for an immigration moratorium. After that we can discuss admitting a small numbers of very high-quality individuals who have terrific skills and talents and the attitude towards America's history, founding principles and people that will make them valuable additons to the American family. But mass migration to America is not making us stronger, but poorer, more disunited and weaker. That era is over.


    Trump has created a great--perhaps pivotal--moment. Now he needs to act like he actually understands what the hell is at stake and hammer home a victory that will preserve Western civilization and a decent life for Americans.

    This is all good and well but at some point other Republicans are going to have to pick up the ball here. Trump can’t be all alone on an island here.

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  45. @Jack D
    Emma Lazarus was of old Sephardic stock and her ancestors probably reached American shores before yours did.

    That actually makes her immigration-boosting worse. It’s understandable that recent immigrants would care about little else besides securing their own group’s right to abode, but when someone whose ancestors arrived generations ago demands the limitless entry of all and sundry, it’s more like an act of vengeance.

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  46. In order to better reflect the country’s actual experiences with immigration, I propose Emma Lazarus’s poem be retitled The New Sisyphus.

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  47. @Ali Choudhury
    Is it not? The myth that Americans believe is their forefathers (the huddled masses) left the old country in order to be free and say au revoir to stupid old world hierarchy. That does partly explain American disdain for tired, silly Europe as the place their ancestors were very smart to leave.

    Not always; a significant chunk of my ancestors were the younger children (women and men) of English nobility, and came to the New World because they weren’t likely to inherit squat. They took what inheritance they were allotted and headed to Virginia (Jamestown, Williamsburg) in the 1600s to give it a go. Many acquired large parcels of fertile land to farm and exploit for resources, and prospered. It had nothing to do with rejecting European values or mores. The formal English way of conducting oneself is still alive in many parts of the Old South today.

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    Exactly, it is a myth. Most immigrants to the US came here for better economic opportunities not because they were yearning to be free.
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  48. Amasius says:

    Even though Stephen Miller blew this crap out of the water on live television they just continue droning it from a thousand megaphones like nothing happened. It’s so frustrating.

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  49. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @oneeyed
    All right thinking people know how racist and offensive labelling another country a shithole is. There's one country this logic doesn't apply to, as demonstrated by this NYT mag writer:

    https://twitter.com/tannenbaumr/status/951630072125050880

    The uniting of two great Christian nations is not good for the Jews.

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    Tannenbaum is actually one half of a musical duo called Good for the Jews. Dunno if your comment was a reference to this, but either way, it pretty accurately describes his worldview. His articles are so full of SJW/lamestream media cliches they read like Monty Pythonesque satires of the real thing.
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  50. @Black Agnes
    Not always; a significant chunk of my ancestors were the younger children (women and men) of English nobility, and came to the New World because they weren't likely to inherit squat. They took what inheritance they were allotted and headed to Virginia (Jamestown, Williamsburg) in the 1600s to give it a go. Many acquired large parcels of fertile land to farm and exploit for resources, and prospered. It had nothing to do with rejecting European values or mores. The formal English way of conducting oneself is still alive in many parts of the Old South today.

    Exactly, it is a myth. Most immigrants to the US came here for better economic opportunities not because they were yearning to be free.

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  51. @bomag

    they are all blazing hypocrites when it comes to race, climate and class issues...They are the very definition of a ruthless, amoral foe that cannot be reasoned with. Only smashed
     
    Pretty much spot on.

    There tends to be two types: the Boulder, CO cohort who really believe and mouth the pieties; and the evil manipulators like the Clintons.

    In other words, the “useful idiots” and the revolutionary Vanguard.

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  52. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Alisyn Camerota lives in Westport, CT, where the population is 92.6% white, 4% Asian, and doesn't even register 1% when it comes to "other races."

    So where does she get off talking about immigrants when she literally never deals with them in her day-to-day life? Actions speak louder than words. Her choice to live in an area that's virtually all-white displays her real feelings on the subject, no matter what she claims.

    I wouldn’t care to reside in Connecticut, but otherwise I envy her living in a 92.6% white city. The spoils of being part of the SJW kommentariat: you get to avoid the consequences of the values you preach, with the further satisfaction of sneering at those who can’t avoid them.

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    Westport, CN is close to being the Marketing Consultant capital of America.
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  53. Maj. Kong says:
    @William Middleton
    You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point....

    Tim Ryan has national ambitions, he’s passed several times on Senate or Governor, but he’s hoping to take Hoyer or Clyburn’s spot in the House leadership once Pelosi is gone. The VP nomination is also a possibility under Booker or Harris, though unlikely.

    One has to understand that the labor unions are indistinguishable from the rest of the left regarding immigration/culture war issues. That was the price they paid to maintain their position in the Dem coalition during the height of the DLC in the 90s.

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  54. Maj. Kong says:
    @Mr. Anon
    Tim Ryan began his congressional career in the pocket of telemarketers. He was one of only two Democrats, and one of only seven Congressman period, to vote against the National Do Not Call Registry. Tim Ryan thinks that crooked creeps who sell worthless car warranties to old people should be able to call you up 20 times a day. A real tribune of the people.
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    Right.

    When one of those jokers calls me I play with them if I have time. I get them talking about the burger festival or David Allan Coe or Little Miss Muffett or Devo or some crap like that. KILLS their metrics like talk time.

    That is if they are white.

    If they are black they have never heard of any of that, because blackity black black black. Just ask about LeBron.
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  55. Why are so many iSteve knuckleheads fixated on punishing Israel for the misguided opinions of certain American Jews? Weird. But expected.

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    Why are so many iSteve knuckleheads fixated on punishing Israel for the misguided opinions of certain American Jews?
     
    It is a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of many Jews in supporting policies for America that they would abhor for Israel.

    You might have realized that................if you weren't a knucklehead.
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  56. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    (Not the same anonymous as earlier.)

    Emma Lazarus was of old Sephardic stock and her ancestors probably reached American shores before yours did.

    and

    “That actually makes her immigration-boosting worse.”

    That someone here before the revolution was immersed in Zionist boosterism so many years later suggests that there are groups here who have no intention of assimilation. Much of the older open borders stuff seems based on the assumption that assimilation will occur. One of the primary purposes of the US public K-12 system was to achieve such assimilation. But the lesson, at the end of a century or more of effort, clearly apparent today due to all the diversity-worship, is that lots of people here don’t seem to really like the idea of the melting pot. People want to do well by being here, but rather than assimilate, they seem to want a version of the old Ottoman Empire ruling over lots of different little groups. Instead of being the Sick Man of Europe we are to be the Sick Man of the World. (An old Ottoman reference.)

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  57. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It is worth noting that:

    * The pilgrims on the Mayflower landed in New England in 1620.

    * Jamestown was founded in 1607. Jamestown was the capital of Virgina from 1616 until 1699.

    Fun fact: New Sweden… was a Swedish colony along the lower reaches of the Delaware River in North America from 1638 to 1655…”

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  58. @anon
    The only valid excuse for spelling your name "Alisyn" is if you're a seventeen-year-old girl with dreams of becoming a singer-songwriter.

    There is no valid excuse for being Tim Ryan.

    ‘Alisyn’ is a Jersey Girl … need one say more?

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  59. Discard says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You would think that Tim Ryan, the Congressman from freakin Youngstown, would think that globalism may have some negatives consequences at this point….
     
    Constituents are there to vote for Congressmen, not be represented by them.

    Tim Ryan is the tribune of Shithole Americans.

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  60. @Duke of Deploraville
    I wouldn't care to reside in Connecticut, but otherwise I envy her living in a 92.6% white city. The spoils of being part of the SJW kommentariat: you get to avoid the consequences of the values you preach, with the further satisfaction of sneering at those who can't avoid them.

    Westport, CN is close to being the Marketing Consultant capital of America.

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  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Maj. Kong
    Some of the largest telemarketers are located in the Akron-Canton metro area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfoCision_Management_Corporation

    http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/11/ex-suarez_corp_cfo_michael_gio.html

    Right.

    When one of those jokers calls me I play with them if I have time. I get them talking about the burger festival or David Allan Coe or Little Miss Muffett or Devo or some crap like that. KILLS their metrics like talk time.

    That is if they are white.

    If they are black they have never heard of any of that, because blackity black black black. Just ask about LeBron.

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    When one of those jokers calls me I play with them if I have time.
     
    When they call me - especially the Indian ones - I verbally abuse them: call them fags, call their mothers whores, swear at them. The funny thing is, they usually get angry and start insulting me, calling me motherf**ker, etc. But they still try to make the sale. I mean, dude, you just called me a motherf**ker - do you still think that I think you work for Microsoft or the IRS?
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  62. @anon
    The uniting of two great Christian nations is not good for the Jews.

    Tannenbaum is actually one half of a musical duo called Good for the Jews. Dunno if your comment was a reference to this, but either way, it pretty accurately describes his worldview. His articles are so full of SJW/lamestream media cliches they read like Monty Pythonesque satires of the real thing.

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  63. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous
    Right.

    When one of those jokers calls me I play with them if I have time. I get them talking about the burger festival or David Allan Coe or Little Miss Muffett or Devo or some crap like that. KILLS their metrics like talk time.

    That is if they are white.

    If they are black they have never heard of any of that, because blackity black black black. Just ask about LeBron.

    When one of those jokers calls me I play with them if I have time.

    When they call me – especially the Indian ones – I verbally abuse them: call them fags, call their mothers whores, swear at them. The funny thing is, they usually get angry and start insulting me, calling me motherf**ker, etc. But they still try to make the sale. I mean, dude, you just called me a motherf**ker – do you still think that I think you work for Microsoft or the IRS?

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  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jimi Shmendrix
    Why are so many iSteve knuckleheads fixated on punishing Israel for the misguided opinions of certain American Jews? Weird. But expected.

    Why are so many iSteve knuckleheads fixated on punishing Israel for the misguided opinions of certain American Jews?

    It is a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of many Jews in supporting policies for America that they would abhor for Israel.

    You might have realized that…………….if you weren’t a knucklehead.

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  65. Yep, kind of funny to hear the slobbering of Jewish lips sputtering out protestations… ‘punishing Israel’.

    No one describes swamping Sweden with third world detritus as ‘punishing Sweden’, do they? They refer to it as ‘enrichment’ or the like.

    We just want to see the ethnic nation state of the primary architects of the European disaster share some of that enrichment.

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