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Apparently, Senator Elizabeth Warren isn’t the only blonde Cherokee. Here’s a recent Cherokee Tribal Youth Council:

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  1. Just like Elizabeth Warren, most of these hypocrites are blonder and more blue-eyed than Eva Brown. This is pathetic.

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    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    I have never seen her name translated into another language before.

    Anyway, she died at 33, much like Belushi and Farley.
    , @Rod1963
    I've known full and half-blooded Indians, these aren't Indians. Some may have 1/10th Indian blood but they aren't Indians.

    Most of them could easily be members of the local Moose Lodge.
    , @Travis
    Elizabeth Warren would fit right into this tribe...which is why these Tribes were not too upset when Warren claimed to be an Indian...Most members of the Cherokee tribe have little to no Indian Ancestry...They have yet to find a "full Blood" cherokee who is over 35% Native American...on average the typical Cherokee tribe members is 95% European. As Trump noted, "They don't look like Indians to me."
    , @Truth
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  2. Those are some good looking squaws.

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    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Scarlet, the Buffalo Common Council, apply named, renamed a small island in the Niagara River, Unity Island. It had previously been named Squaw Island. An activist convinced them that squaw was an Indian slur and meant c**t. Sigh, twenty four years of working with Indians and I never heard that.
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  3. Barnard says:

    Jones, McSpadden, Fields. Sounds like full blooded Cherokee to me. Several of the girls have high cheekbones, I don’t see the need for further inquiry.

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  4. Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women. I haven’t read any reports on the female haplogroups, but they’re probably still majority Indian.

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.

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    • Replies: @syonredux

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.
     
    Britain is mostly Bell-Beaker:

    The Beaker culture is an archaeological culture that existed in the late Copper Age and early Bronze age in western Europe, characterized by a particular style of pottery drinking vessels, but also by developments in copper metallurgy, archery, etc.

    It looks as if the culture – a set of ideas and techniques – originated in Spain and spread widely – but then, some of its spread happened by groups that had adopted that culture expanding.

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.

    This probably happened through war and massacre. If you think otherwise, you reject the historical record – have a fundamentally false notion of human nature.

     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/
    , @Whoever

    Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women.
     
    I wonder how often that is true for Americans who have native ancestry. With the tribe I am affiliated with, to prove tribal affiliation you have to provide verified documentary evidence going back four generations (DNA tests are not accepted). In my case, this is easy because one of my redskin forebears was an army scout with the 22nd Infantry at Fort Keogh, and we have his military records, including disbursement, as well as recommendation and commendation letters to him signed by Col. Peter T. Swain and Lt. Edward W. Casey.
    (Casey was killed during the Ghost Dance troubles. Col. Swain was in the same West Point class --'52 -- as George Crook. Another branch of my family has a man who served under Crook in California and tried to serve under him during the Civil War, but never got farther east than Nebraska.)
    Some of the surnames in my hairlifter background are Beartusk, Redcherries, Twobulls, Yellownose, Tangledyellowhair, Strangeowl, Whitewolf, Crazymule, Twomoons and Risingsun, but there are also a number of European names as well. Those may be the names of white men who married Indian women, but I suppose they could just as easily be names given to them by whites or that they decided to call themselves.
    Here is a photo of a plains Indian war party plotting an attack on a wagon train:

    https://i.imgur.com/d5Le2JH.jpg
    , @Anonymous
    The Ruling Tribe already has America more race obsessed than the Third Reich ever was. And it's just getting in gear. I know very few white people who don't claim some amerind or other ethnic status, and the less Nordic, the better. Can you blame them for adopting these amulets in the (probably vain) hope that they'll be less disadvantaged and/or avoid having their throats cut? SMH as are we all, but this is today's America. And yes, it's Brought to You by the Good Folks of the Ruling Tribe.
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  5. Priceless this needs to be memed

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    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    They don't look like indians to me either, and I'm 1/32 full-blooded Cherokeee!
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  7. Here’s a good song about Cherokees. Anybody remember this song?

    Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe. So proud to live, so proud to die.

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    • Replies: @Michelle
    That is not a good song! It is a terrible song. Very embarrassing.
    , @Anon7
    Contrary to Michelle’s comment, this song was hugely popular and everyone liked it when it came out. Didn’t they sing this song on the Smother’s Brother’s show? That would cement their liberal cred. Also, the Raiders main singer Mark Lindsay is part Cherokee (to be fair, though, isn’t everyone?)
    , @bomag
    First recorded in 1959; was a number one hit in 1971. Indicates how times change.

    There was always a vein of sympathy for Cherokees et al in pre-1960's literature, but it didn't become a society-wide concern until post 1960.
    , @Ganderson
    https://youtu.be/6QdPgd1nUl8
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  8. It’s “Youth Night” at the Des Moines Rotary Club!

    Seriously, judging from the picture, looks like they haven’t been making them like they used to in a long time.

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Are our descendants in the USA going to make similar comments about the very-mestizo/indio-Mexican-looking "Americans" in a photo claiming white ancestry?
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  9. Corn says:

    As I said in reply to an earlier post, a jury of random Americans, if they saw these youths walking down the street, would probably ID at least nine or ten of them as white.
    Looking again at the photo, I’d revise that upward to eleven or twelve.

    But tribal councils in Oklahoma, youth or otherwise, aren’t as riotous as BLM or as militantly Open Borders as alot of Latino orgs. Let sleeping dogs lie I guess.

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    • Replies: @Barnard
    I would say they all look white except for Madison Whitekiller.

    The pictures on the jobs jobs page are mostly of white people too. No U.S. government agency would post a jobs ad with that many white people in it.

    http://www.cherokee.org/Our-Government/Jobs
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  10. Veracitor says:

    Most of those young Cherokee squaws are fine-looking, but there seems to be a shortage of young bucks in that council, maybe they need a diversity advisor.

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    • Replies: @tyrone
    don't forget your peace pipe!
    , @Anonymous
    The young bucks are missing from the image because they're too busy abusing drugs and alcohol to sit for the photographer. The rate of alcoholism among "native Americans" is about six times (!) the rate of alcoholism in the US. Furthermore, more than a quarter of indian babies have fetal alcohol syndrome, a condition that may persist throughout life. Think about this: fully 25% of native Americans are brain damaged at birth becuase of the behavior of the parents.

    It's tough on the reservation with nothing to do -- most indians are entitled to a lifetime-subsidy and god knows how many extre benes. Why work at the casino when your government check is miraculously put in your account?

    http://www.ibtimes.com/native-americans-tragedy-alcoholism-214046
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  11. Remember that Native guy from Village People?

    I wonder if that’d be considered cultural appropriation these days.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    He looks like he was denizen of that "Indian reservation" located near Southampton, LI (NY) where all the natives were as black as the proverbial ace of spades.
    , @Thomm

    Remember that Native guy from Village People?
     
    People these days are getting in trouble just for singing the well-known song : "Everybody was Kung-Fu Fighting.....".

    The lyrics say "Funky China man from Funky China town". The SJWs taking offense don't know that the singers were black.

    Its a good song.

    , @J.Ross
    They "updated" him for a concert in the early nineties, with a nice "southwest" theme suit and turquoise bolo.
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  12. Apparently, Senator Elizabeth Warren isn’t the only blonde Cherokee.

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  13. Michelle says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a good song about Cherokees. Anybody remember this song?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ixwIaN7qw

    Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe. So proud to live, so proud to die.

     

    That is not a good song! It is a terrible song. Very embarrassing.

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    • Replies: @Rohirrimborn
    You think that's embarrassing for the Cherokees? Get a load of the video the Apaches have to live with:

    https://youtu.be/f6tnj7IEI0E
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  14. @jimbojones
    Just like Elizabeth Warren, most of these hypocrites are blonder and more blue-eyed than Eva Brown. This is pathetic.

    I have never seen her name translated into another language before.

    Anyway, she died at 33, much like Belushi and Farley.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Ah 33, the magic number in so many facets of life.
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  15. FPD72 says:

    The only “Indian” sounding last name is “Whitekiller.” Interesting.

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Whitekiller is an actual Cherokee name. So are Mankiller, Pathkiller and Sixkiller. Once you know some of the traditional surnames, they are easy to spot, though a few Irish and Scot surnames are associated with CNO from long term use, such as Ross, Adair, Baker and some others.

    UKB surnames also include some English, Scot and Irish names that go back a long way, such as Christie and Downing.

    EBC surnames include some Scot and irish names like Hick, Reed, and Welch. Contemporary Cherokee surnames are a mixture of traditional names from Adair to Youngdeer and Baker to Saunooke.
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  16. JimBob says:

    Does anyone actually believe a bunch of WASPs can be Cherokee? I mean, a lot of otherwise normal people believe Somalians can be swedish, so why not WASPs being Cherokee??

    I get the feeling however that most good-thinking whites will still instinctually scoff at this image for its patent absurdity — yet how likely is it that they would re-examine the “somali->swede” equivalent in this light? My guess is that that thought would never cross their minds. Social proof is a powerful force. The majority of people believe that whites have no identity of their own (or at least that’s how it appears to be). And so a Somalian becoming Swedish doesn’t appear to constitute any meaningful difference to them — hence it gets a pass.

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    Not so many WASPS, but lots of Scots/Irish people are also Cherokee. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment, but dies require documentation proving unbroken genealogical record of descendancy.

    Liz Warren falsely claims to be Cherokee and she's a real leftard moonbat, but it doesn't automatically follow that there are no actual Cherokee who look like pure white people.
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  17. I was disappointed that most of them have traditional European names such as Alexa, Olivia, and Katelyn. However, and I swear I am not making this up, the one on the bottom right is named Madison Whitekiller.

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    ... and I swear I am not making this up, the one on the bottom right is named Madison Whitekiller.
     
    Scarlet, that name is hilarious on many levels!
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  18. We’re the Cherokee Miscegenation:
    Ever-paler our path through Creation.
    Mating better, not worse,
    We are Swedes-in-Reverse.
    No hangups and no reservation.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    Very good!
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  19. Paul Rain says:

    To be fair, several of the women and probably a majority of the men have some Indian features.

    Not surprised by the incidence of blonde hair- there’s been at least one generation of the top tribal leaders marrying the hottest dealers in the casinos by now, right?

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  20. Isolee says:

    Here’s a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

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    What a hoot! They look like me -- English and Norwegian. Of course, those of us from European descent don't get any free housing, free stipends or free tuition, so it's rational, I suppose, that they claim to be a prioritized ethnicity.

    I'm not surprised, as academe has descended into the Dante's eighth circle of hell, where the fraudsters and panderers hang. Identity politics created this and them, fraudsters all.

    Let me guess -- as undergraduates, they were ... communications majors? Or, perhaps they majored in one of the grievance degrees based on gender, sex, skin color, social background, ethnic behavior, etc? Or, perhaps, sociology? Education? I wonder how few of them were, say, chemistry majors.

    Politicized majors are great preparation for medical school ... or not.

    Would you allow one of these diversity-hires to plunge their gloved hands into your belly to snag your swollen appendix? Doubt it.
    , @Peter Johnson
    That is classic; thanks for the link.
    , @Jack D
    As I'm sure with the Cherokee Youth Council, these are "talented tenth" aboriginals. IQ is strongly correlated with race so that the smartest "aboriginals" are also most likely to be the ones who are barely aboriginal. If you were to visit a random trailer on the reservation or a drug house, they would look a lot less white than this gang.

    There are usually clues to African blood at the 1/4 level but at 1/8 many can "pass" as white. However, people who are 3/4 white when the other quarter is some other race (Indian, aborigine) also can appear fully white. It takes no time at all to get down to the 1/4 level - just a couple of generations. And 1/8 is just 1 more generation away. Aboriginals and American Indians have been in contact with whites for dozens of generations now so it's almost miraculous that they are not ALL below 1/4 at this point.
    , @Cindy
    I am so, so confused.
    , @VivaLaMigra
    None of those women look 'indigenous' or 'aboriginal' to me in the slightest. Do they even know what a didgeridoo is? If placed somewhere in the Outback a hundred miles from the nearest human, during January, where would you place the Over/Under line for days before any of them succumb to heat or dehydration? I'd give 'em 48 hours, tops. Looks like the classic case of appropriation of Affirmative Action/Minority Set-asides.
    , @Bliss

    Here’s a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw
     
    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/full_width__2x/public/thumbnails/image/15_hatsup_1_3_1.JPG?itok=lVXbc8T9

    This is funny and sad at the same time.
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  21. Thea says:

    Cherokee Youth, Hitler Youth whatever. We all need to take pride in our ancestry.

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  22. tyrone says:
    @Veracitor
    Most of those young Cherokee squaws are fine-looking, but there seems to be a shortage of young bucks in that council, maybe they need a diversity advisor.

    don’t forget your peace pipe!

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  23. TWS says:

    They’ve been mixing with whites for about eight or more generations. I’ve seen big blue eyed blond haired guys wearing, ‘FBI’ (full blooded Indian) shirts for years.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    In Chicago FBI is Full Blooded Irish.
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  24. Polynices says:

    Time for one of my favorite anecdotes. In college I knew a sorority girl who was tall and blonde with thick curly hair and… a fully enrolled member of one of the local NW Indian tribes. We though that was pretty funny. She was also rather violently interested in one of my roommates but that’s another story.

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    Did she end up smoking his peace pipe?
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  25. TWS says:

    There’s three in the front and three in the back I’d be able to pick out having some Indian in them. If they’re raised on the res you’d be able to pick out more from their speech and paralanguage.

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    Speech and paralanguage?
    I live in an area with few or no Indians so I’m not familiar with Indian speech ways. Could you tell us a little more?
    , @Twodees Partain
    Well, here's the thing: there are no indian reservations in Oklahoma.
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  26. Bill B. says:

    I am surprised that none of them, as far as I can see, has a Cherokee name, even if only for use in tribal matters. Aren’y they tempted by any of those great Indian names?

    I wonder how many of them speak Cherokee which would seem to me a requirement, no?

    Google tells me that only about four percent of recognized Cherokee are fluent in the language. Red Indian languages are extremely difficult, so there is that.

    I have to say they appear to be quite a cheerful bunch.

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  27. Thomm says:

    Note that there are far more women freebie seekers than man, and that the men are the ones who, for the most part, look like actual Native Americans.

    But the fact that white women flock to this type of identity is partly due to the low quality of bottom 20% white men (the WN losers). They are the ones who drive white women into non-white identities.

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    F off troll.
    , @Saxon
    Thanks for taking a dump in our proverbial streets.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Or women are much more attuned to social pressures than men. If society tells women that whites are bad and Indians are good, women just go with the flow and join up with the "society-approved" group. Women just want to know the rules and follow them. That's what kept them and their children safe for millions of years.

    Men are less influenced by social norms, though we are still social creatures. It's easier for men to challenge the overall society. Back in tribal days, if a warrior/hunter guy thought that the system was stupid, he could challenge the leaders or try to form his own group. Those were options - even if the odds were long. Those were never - never - options for the women.

    If white men suddenly got their head out of our asses and said, "No more of this diversity BS" and fought back to the point that we created our own neighborhoods, schools, political organizations, white women would fall in line quickly because they would understand that the choice for them - and their children - was black/brown society or white society. They'd have a new set of social norms to follow, and they would.

    The reality is that white women don't give a rat's fart about diversity. But they do care a lot about being on the good side of society's norms. If the Today Show tells them that diversity is good, it's good. If they're living in Georgia in 1830, race mixing is abhorrent and against God. They don't think deeply about these things. The women in this picture are simply doing what women have done since the beginning: Be very attuned to what keeps them safe in the tribe.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Another one for the Ignore list...
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  28. Bill B. says:

    No Indian names at all? I guess that probably means none of them speak the (very difficult) language then.

    Google tells me that only four per cent of Cherokees speak the language. A shame.

    They seem to be a cheerful bunch, which is good.

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  29. Thomm says:

    The fact that tone of white women are flocking to this non-white identity is only one point.

    Equally salient is how somehow there is no black or blackish person here. I wonder why. Blacks are extremely keen on claiming some Native American ancestry. Even Henry Louis Gates has slammed other blacks for exaggerating this.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.
    , @Philip Owen
    There is a separate group for black slaves taken to Oklahoma by the Cherokee. The ex slave group receives no federal support.
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  30. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember that Native guy from Village People?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1TKTGtd98

    I wonder if that'd be considered cultural appropriation these days.

    He looks like he was denizen of that “Indian reservation” located near Southampton, LI (NY) where all the natives were as black as the proverbial ace of spades.

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  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Veracitor
    Most of those young Cherokee squaws are fine-looking, but there seems to be a shortage of young bucks in that council, maybe they need a diversity advisor.

    The young bucks are missing from the image because they’re too busy abusing drugs and alcohol to sit for the photographer. The rate of alcoholism among “native Americans” is about six times (!) the rate of alcoholism in the US. Furthermore, more than a quarter of indian babies have fetal alcohol syndrome, a condition that may persist throughout life. Think about this: fully 25% of native Americans are brain damaged at birth becuase of the behavior of the parents.

    It’s tough on the reservation with nothing to do — most indians are entitled to a lifetime-subsidy and god knows how many extre benes. Why work at the casino when your government check is miraculously put in your account?

    http://www.ibtimes.com/native-americans-tragedy-alcoholism-214046

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    • Replies: @guest
    Are we to imagine all the people in the photo are living on reservations? Doesn't look like it to me.
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  32. Corn says:
    @TWS
    There's three in the front and three in the back I'd be able to pick out having some Indian in them. If they're raised on the res you'd be able to pick out more from their speech and paralanguage.

    Speech and paralanguage?
    I live in an area with few or no Indians so I’m not familiar with Indian speech ways. Could you tell us a little more?

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  33. This actually reminds of why – if push came to shove and whites started getting seriously discriminated against – wouldn’t whites simply claim to be Hispanic. There’s no genetic test for Hispanic, and, obviously, there are plenty of people from South America, Central America and Mexico who are 90+% European.

    If my kids claimed to be Hispanic (and they actually have some family background that would make that sound plausible) who’s to challenge that? If someone asked, you’d only have to get indignant at the question and they’d back off.

    If whites puss out and decide to go gentle into that good night, I’d definitely tell my kids to claim to be Hispanic. Why not? Why should they play along with the rules of a corrupt game? One minute, you’re an evil racist, the next, you’re showered with praise and easy access to all kinds of goodies.

    Hell, Jews used to change their names to sound more WASP, why not change your name to sound Hispanic? (However, like Jews, you need to remember who you really are. That this is just a game.)

    Basically, I find it hard to believe that as the pressure on whites grows that they won’t choose one of two paths: 1) Fight back and start thinking like other ethnic groups (my preference) or 2) Screw it, join one of the “accepted” victim groups, preferably the one most similar to your own.

    Why would whites just sit and take the abuse when there’s a simple way to avoid all of it?

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Option 2 only makes sense if the welfare state is intact so you can get your "gimme dats" . If the welfare state fails we need to fall back on option #1.

    Look the only reason the various ethnics groups in the U.S. even tolerate each other is because of the massive welfare state we have. If that unravels, it will get real ugly real fast. The ethnics really won't care if your name is gonzales if you are lilly white, the same way they won't care Hymie Cohen says he's not white but a Jew. The to ethnics these are distinctions without a difference.
    , @prusmc
    I had an acquantance whose wife was Hispanic. He spoke no Spanish and the wife was blond and blue eyed. He pushed from day one for affirmative action for his kids. The oldest son got an appointment to Westpoint. The son recently retired as an O6. I understand he always self identified as Hispanic. Don't know if it had any influence on his career. Maybe not because he didn't det a star and after 30 years a "ring knocker" probably makes full bird as a matter of course.
    , @Saxon
    If no one forced a DNA test, I suppose no one would challenge it. When the term "Hispanic" is used, though, mostly what people think of is some kind of brown mestizo or at the very least off-white looking type like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.

    The thing is that white Americans are very white and most all of them have no actual non-European ancestry, so this only works as long as DNA testing is off the table. Which for the most part it currently is for various reasons. Even with these tribes in America and Canada, no one will test them because the reality is that virtually all of these people have 70-75% European ancestry minimum. Where I grew up a girl really liked to play on her native ancestry which couldn't be more than maybe 5% tops. She had blue eyes, a very northern European face and the only difference between her and everyone else was that she had jet black hair which is the only way you could tell she had any non-northwest European ancestry at all.
    , @PenskeFile
    Every year, my kids school puts out an announcement about National Merit scholar recognition. We have semi-finalists and commended students announced but also something called "National Hispanic Scholars"

    This is based on the exact same test, (PSAT) but which, I guess, just has a lower cutoff score. That just seems insulting to me, but I guess its something you can put on your resume/application.

    Anyway, only about 50% of the kids recognized at the school are visibly hispanic and/or have hispanic names. The rest you're like "whaaah?"
    , @Travis
    due to the overwhelming number of hispanics applying for affirmative action loans in New York City , they now require applicants must include a birth certificate of a parent or Grandparent to prove they are "hispanic" and qualify for the subsidized loans.

    If millions of whites started to claim hispanic heritage more institutions would start to require further proof of hispanic credentials...Will be interesting if the children of Ted Cruz qualify for affirmative action...The New York Times stated that Ted Cruz was one of the few Non-Whites in the Senate last year..strange that the children of Ted Cruz can claim to be hispanic, when 3 of their 4 grandparents were not Spanish...and 7 of their 8 great grandparents were born in Europe. If we have the one drop rule to determine ones Spanish ethnicity we may see 80% of high school graduates will qualify in 10 years time.
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  34. Thomm says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember that Native guy from Village People?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1TKTGtd98

    I wonder if that'd be considered cultural appropriation these days.

    Remember that Native guy from Village People?

    People these days are getting in trouble just for singing the well-known song : “Everybody was Kung-Fu Fighting…..”.

    The lyrics say “Funky China man from Funky China town”. The SJWs taking offense don’t know that the singers were black.

    Its a good song.

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  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Isolee
    Here's a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    What a hoot! They look like me — English and Norwegian. Of course, those of us from European descent don’t get any free housing, free stipends or free tuition, so it’s rational, I suppose, that they claim to be a prioritized ethnicity.

    I’m not surprised, as academe has descended into the Dante’s eighth circle of hell, where the fraudsters and panderers hang. Identity politics created this and them, fraudsters all.

    Let me guess — as undergraduates, they were … communications majors? Or, perhaps they majored in one of the grievance degrees based on gender, sex, skin color, social background, ethnic behavior, etc? Or, perhaps, sociology? Education? I wonder how few of them were, say, chemistry majors.

    Politicized majors are great preparation for medical school … or not.

    Would you allow one of these diversity-hires to plunge their gloved hands into your belly to snag your swollen appendix? Doubt it.

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  37. In my public elementary school a teacher once showed a set of portrait photos and asked the class to identify who among them were Native Americans. We dutifully tallied and on average probably said a third of them were. Then she drops the bomb and scolds: “They’re all Native Americans! You can’t tell who is or isn’t by appearance.” I remember an uneasy feeling that I was being lied to about something important, and wondering why our trusted teacher had deployed guilt and trickery, something she didn’t otherwise do. This was the first time I remember being aware of and bothered by this kind of manipulation through official channels.

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    I remember one of my elementary school teachers saying something similar. I don't remember it as being particularly political - I was thinking something along the lines of an Englishman might be confused for a Frenchman, a Frenchman for a German. But maybe she really meant something quite radical, and I was just to naive to understand it.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They're posing at their patriarch's wee but and ben.

    http://www.snbba.co.uk/da/kirbister.jpg

    Nor was the rapport with the Orcadians a purely theoretical one, for the visitors, conspicuous in bright red jackets, soon established themselves as familiar and popular figures relaxing the local cafés and passing the time of day with locals on the streets.

    The Orkney telephone directory made for an unlikely but particular source of fascination for the Indians. It contained common instances of such surnames as Flett, Isbister, Drever, Harcus, Linklater, and Rendall. Even the Indians had previously assumed these, widespread in and ostensibly exclusive to their own community, to be First Nation names, and had been unaware of their true origins. Genealogist Alexander Dietz from Saskatoon, who was also in town, confessed that he had not realised the full extent of the connection.

    A group of young dancers danced on the sand at Pierowall in Westray. They were astonished to find themselves stranded on a sandy island, never previously having experienced the tide.

    Most of the dance troupe made a pilgrimage to the ruined cottage at Kirbister where Magnus Twatt had once lived. As Kim continues the story:

    "It was a moving visit. There Terry (Daniels) told me the reality and realisation that he was walking the same ground his ancestors had walked came to him as he had listened to a prayer being given in Cree in Orkney’s St Magnus Cathedral. He knew he belonged in these islands."
     
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  38. Rod1963 says:
    @jimbojones
    Just like Elizabeth Warren, most of these hypocrites are blonder and more blue-eyed than Eva Brown. This is pathetic.

    I’ve known full and half-blooded Indians, these aren’t Indians. Some may have 1/10th Indian blood but they aren’t Indians.

    Most of them could easily be members of the local Moose Lodge.

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    Don't some federally-recognized tribes allow membership based on a very low "blood quantum", so someone can look and be substantially white European and still qualify to enroll as a member of that tribe?
    , @Twodees Partain
    There's no such thing as 1/10th indian blood. These young folks in the photo are Cherokee. The Cherokee Nation has the say in who is and isn't Cherokee, not outsiders like you and Elizabeth Warren.
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  39. Rod1963 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    This actually reminds of why - if push came to shove and whites started getting seriously discriminated against - wouldn't whites simply claim to be Hispanic. There's no genetic test for Hispanic, and, obviously, there are plenty of people from South America, Central America and Mexico who are 90+% European.

    If my kids claimed to be Hispanic (and they actually have some family background that would make that sound plausible) who's to challenge that? If someone asked, you'd only have to get indignant at the question and they'd back off.

    If whites puss out and decide to go gentle into that good night, I'd definitely tell my kids to claim to be Hispanic. Why not? Why should they play along with the rules of a corrupt game? One minute, you're an evil racist, the next, you're showered with praise and easy access to all kinds of goodies.

    Hell, Jews used to change their names to sound more WASP, why not change your name to sound Hispanic? (However, like Jews, you need to remember who you really are. That this is just a game.)

    Basically, I find it hard to believe that as the pressure on whites grows that they won't choose one of two paths: 1) Fight back and start thinking like other ethnic groups (my preference) or 2) Screw it, join one of the "accepted" victim groups, preferably the one most similar to your own.

    Why would whites just sit and take the abuse when there's a simple way to avoid all of it?

    Option 2 only makes sense if the welfare state is intact so you can get your “gimme dats” . If the welfare state fails we need to fall back on option #1.

    Look the only reason the various ethnics groups in the U.S. even tolerate each other is because of the massive welfare state we have. If that unravels, it will get real ugly real fast. The ethnics really won’t care if your name is gonzales if you are lilly white, the same way they won’t care Hymie Cohen says he’s not white but a Jew. The to ethnics these are distinctions without a difference.

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  40. Travis says:
    @jimbojones
    Just like Elizabeth Warren, most of these hypocrites are blonder and more blue-eyed than Eva Brown. This is pathetic.

    Elizabeth Warren would fit right into this tribe…which is why these Tribes were not too upset when Warren claimed to be an Indian…Most members of the Cherokee tribe have little to no Indian Ancestry…They have yet to find a “full Blood” cherokee who is over 35% Native American…on average the typical Cherokee tribe members is 95% European. As Trump noted, “They don’t look like Indians to me.”

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  41. Lurker says:
    @Thomm
    Note that there are far more women freebie seekers than man, and that the men are the ones who, for the most part, look like actual Native Americans.

    But the fact that white women flock to this type of identity is partly due to the low quality of bottom 20% white men (the WN losers). They are the ones who drive white women into non-white identities.

    F off troll.

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    LOL, dude why are you taking offense to that?
    , @Thomm

    F off troll.
     
    Make me.

    It is funny when a loser from the aforementioned group voluntarily self-identifies and displays his impotent loserdom (as Lurker has done).

    Heh heh heh heh

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  42. @Thomm
    The fact that tone of white women are flocking to this non-white identity is only one point.

    Equally salient is how somehow there is no black or blackish person here. I wonder why. Blacks are extremely keen on claiming some Native American ancestry. Even Henry Louis Gates has slammed other blacks for exaggerating this.

    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.

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    Why would non-whites not want to have blacks integrate with them? Its almost as if non-whites dont like blacks almost as much as whites. Are they noticing patterns?
    , @Thomm

    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.
     
    Really? Why? And didn't the 'black leadership' object by use of their massive media platform?

    Did the blacks go to other Native American tribes?

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  43. Anon7 says:

    Take a look at the Cherokee youth taking advantage of college scholarship opportunities

    https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/education/native-education/cherokee-college-prep-institute-connects-students-and-universities/

    I thought the melting pot result was supposed to be brown?

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  44. @ScarletNumber
    I have never seen her name translated into another language before.

    Anyway, she died at 33, much like Belushi and Farley.

    Ah 33, the magic number in so many facets of life.

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    Indeed, Brother. But keep it on the square, eh?
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  45. @Isolee
    Here's a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    That is classic; thanks for the link.

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  46. Anon7 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a good song about Cherokees. Anybody remember this song?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ixwIaN7qw

    Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe. So proud to live, so proud to die.

     

    Contrary to Michelle’s comment, this song was hugely popular and everyone liked it when it came out. Didn’t they sing this song on the Smother’s Brother’s show? That would cement their liberal cred. Also, the Raiders main singer Mark Lindsay is part Cherokee (to be fair, though, isn’t everyone?)

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  47. Barnard says:
    @Corn
    As I said in reply to an earlier post, a jury of random Americans, if they saw these youths walking down the street, would probably ID at least nine or ten of them as white.
    Looking again at the photo, I’d revise that upward to eleven or twelve.

    But tribal councils in Oklahoma, youth or otherwise, aren’t as riotous as BLM or as militantly Open Borders as alot of Latino orgs. Let sleeping dogs lie I guess.

    I would say they all look white except for Madison Whitekiller.

    The pictures on the jobs jobs page are mostly of white people too. No U.S. government agency would post a jobs ad with that many white people in it.

    http://www.cherokee.org/Our-Government/Jobs

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  48. Saxon says:
    @Thomm
    Note that there are far more women freebie seekers than man, and that the men are the ones who, for the most part, look like actual Native Americans.

    But the fact that white women flock to this type of identity is partly due to the low quality of bottom 20% white men (the WN losers). They are the ones who drive white women into non-white identities.

    Thanks for taking a dump in our proverbial streets.

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  49. prusmc says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    This actually reminds of why - if push came to shove and whites started getting seriously discriminated against - wouldn't whites simply claim to be Hispanic. There's no genetic test for Hispanic, and, obviously, there are plenty of people from South America, Central America and Mexico who are 90+% European.

    If my kids claimed to be Hispanic (and they actually have some family background that would make that sound plausible) who's to challenge that? If someone asked, you'd only have to get indignant at the question and they'd back off.

    If whites puss out and decide to go gentle into that good night, I'd definitely tell my kids to claim to be Hispanic. Why not? Why should they play along with the rules of a corrupt game? One minute, you're an evil racist, the next, you're showered with praise and easy access to all kinds of goodies.

    Hell, Jews used to change their names to sound more WASP, why not change your name to sound Hispanic? (However, like Jews, you need to remember who you really are. That this is just a game.)

    Basically, I find it hard to believe that as the pressure on whites grows that they won't choose one of two paths: 1) Fight back and start thinking like other ethnic groups (my preference) or 2) Screw it, join one of the "accepted" victim groups, preferably the one most similar to your own.

    Why would whites just sit and take the abuse when there's a simple way to avoid all of it?

    I had an acquantance whose wife was Hispanic. He spoke no Spanish and the wife was blond and blue eyed. He pushed from day one for affirmative action for his kids. The oldest son got an appointment to Westpoint. The son recently retired as an O6. I understand he always self identified as Hispanic. Don’t know if it had any influence on his career. Maybe not because he didn’t det a star and after 30 years a “ring knocker” probably makes full bird as a matter of course.

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  50. Truth says:
    @jimbojones
    Just like Elizabeth Warren, most of these hypocrites are blonder and more blue-eyed than Eva Brown. This is pathetic.

    Braun?

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    Braun Stowman IS NOT FINISHED WITH YOU.
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  51. songbird says:
    @oddsbodkins
    In my public elementary school a teacher once showed a set of portrait photos and asked the class to identify who among them were Native Americans. We dutifully tallied and on average probably said a third of them were. Then she drops the bomb and scolds: "They're all Native Americans! You can't tell who is or isn't by appearance." I remember an uneasy feeling that I was being lied to about something important, and wondering why our trusted teacher had deployed guilt and trickery, something she didn't otherwise do. This was the first time I remember being aware of and bothered by this kind of manipulation through official channels.

    I remember one of my elementary school teachers saying something similar. I don’t remember it as being particularly political – I was thinking something along the lines of an Englishman might be confused for a Frenchman, a Frenchman for a German. But maybe she really meant something quite radical, and I was just to naive to understand it.

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    That sounds sensible enough. What bothered me about this was the implication that appearance gave no information about group membership, and that we were bad people for thinking that it did.
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  52. Truth says:
    @Lurker
    F off troll.

    LOL, dude why are you taking offense to that?

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  53. bomag says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a good song about Cherokees. Anybody remember this song?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ixwIaN7qw

    Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe. So proud to live, so proud to die.

     

    First recorded in 1959; was a number one hit in 1971. Indicates how times change.

    There was always a vein of sympathy for Cherokees et al in pre-1960′s literature, but it didn’t become a society-wide concern until post 1960.

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  54. Saxon says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    This actually reminds of why - if push came to shove and whites started getting seriously discriminated against - wouldn't whites simply claim to be Hispanic. There's no genetic test for Hispanic, and, obviously, there are plenty of people from South America, Central America and Mexico who are 90+% European.

    If my kids claimed to be Hispanic (and they actually have some family background that would make that sound plausible) who's to challenge that? If someone asked, you'd only have to get indignant at the question and they'd back off.

    If whites puss out and decide to go gentle into that good night, I'd definitely tell my kids to claim to be Hispanic. Why not? Why should they play along with the rules of a corrupt game? One minute, you're an evil racist, the next, you're showered with praise and easy access to all kinds of goodies.

    Hell, Jews used to change their names to sound more WASP, why not change your name to sound Hispanic? (However, like Jews, you need to remember who you really are. That this is just a game.)

    Basically, I find it hard to believe that as the pressure on whites grows that they won't choose one of two paths: 1) Fight back and start thinking like other ethnic groups (my preference) or 2) Screw it, join one of the "accepted" victim groups, preferably the one most similar to your own.

    Why would whites just sit and take the abuse when there's a simple way to avoid all of it?

    If no one forced a DNA test, I suppose no one would challenge it. When the term “Hispanic” is used, though, mostly what people think of is some kind of brown mestizo or at the very least off-white looking type like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.

    The thing is that white Americans are very white and most all of them have no actual non-European ancestry, so this only works as long as DNA testing is off the table. Which for the most part it currently is for various reasons. Even with these tribes in America and Canada, no one will test them because the reality is that virtually all of these people have 70-75% European ancestry minimum. Where I grew up a girl really liked to play on her native ancestry which couldn’t be more than maybe 5% tops. She had blue eyes, a very northern European face and the only difference between her and everyone else was that she had jet black hair which is the only way you could tell she had any non-northwest European ancestry at all.

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    Yep. Knew a guy in college that got a scholarship because he was Hispanic. His father was an American white engineer. His mother was an accountant from Mexico who met the father at the corporate office in Mexico City. Her family was German and Irish.

    I also knew a girl whose parents were from Argentina. Light brown hair and green eyes. Looked like she was from Iowa.

    Neither one of them spoke Spanish.

    This is my point. At some point, there's no reason to be treated like a second-class citizen when it'd be incredibly easy to move to the front of the bus. I mean, if I was a black guy in Jim Crow times, and someone said, "Hey, you can be treated exactly like you were white if you just claim that some relative in your past was European or South American or Indian - no proof required." I say sign me up.

    I don't know if the Dems fully understand that this option is available and how easily it could be adopted by whites.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Remember, though, that there can't be any DNA test for being 'Hispanic'. It's an ethnic category, not a racial one. Therefore anybody who's part of a Hispanic 'culture' is de facto Hispanic.

    My own ancestry is 100% Dutch. Parts of the Netherlands (okay, mostly current Belgium, but who can read maps these days?) were ruled by Spain for well over 100 years, spanning the 17th century. I'd say that's some pretty heavy Hispanic cultural influence, so who's to say I'm not Hispanic?

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  55. @FPD72
    The only “Indian” sounding last name is “Whitekiller.” Interesting.

    Whitekiller is an actual Cherokee name. So are Mankiller, Pathkiller and Sixkiller. Once you know some of the traditional surnames, they are easy to spot, though a few Irish and Scot surnames are associated with CNO from long term use, such as Ross, Adair, Baker and some others.

    UKB surnames also include some English, Scot and Irish names that go back a long way, such as Christie and Downing.

    EBC surnames include some Scot and irish names like Hick, Reed, and Welch. Contemporary Cherokee surnames are a mixture of traditional names from Adair to Youngdeer and Baker to Saunooke.

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    Always remember former Washington Husky and WFL quarterback Sonny Sixkiller.
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  56. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I guess whitening Indians is a good thing.

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  57. @Steve Sailer
    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.

    Why would non-whites not want to have blacks integrate with them? Its almost as if non-whites dont like blacks almost as much as whites. Are they noticing patterns?

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  58. syonredux says:
    @RebelWriter
    Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women. I haven't read any reports on the female haplogroups, but they're probably still majority Indian.

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.

    Britain is mostly Bell-Beaker:

    The Beaker culture is an archaeological culture that existed in the late Copper Age and early Bronze age in western Europe, characterized by a particular style of pottery drinking vessels, but also by developments in copper metallurgy, archery, etc.

    It looks as if the culture – a set of ideas and techniques – originated in Spain and spread widely – but then, some of its spread happened by groups that had adopted that culture expanding.

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.

    This probably happened through war and massacre. If you think otherwise, you reject the historical record – have a fundamentally false notion of human nature.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/

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    The Bell Beaker Phenomenon distinguishes a culture, not a people per se. It was widespread in Europe among people of differing genetic origins.

    If you, or anyone else, is interested in the current best understanding of the settling of the British Isles, go here: https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/britain_ireland_dna.shtml

    Putting the story together after millenia based on piecemeal evidence is a daunting task, and people seem to want to settle it all, right now, in one quick swipe, while it will be an unfolding process. Understanding will change based on new evidence, which is discovered frequently.

    A for instance would be the genetic study of Britain what was done circa 2004, and was based on mitochondrial DNA only. The author of the study claimed that the bulk of Britons were descended from the people who originally settled there, and that no subsequent invasions had left a significant genetic imprint since. This same study lead to a consensus that there was no great Celtic invasion of the islands, either. Nobody in the scientific community believes that now.

    The first modern humans in the British Isles were Western Hunter Gatherers. The signature Y DNA haplogroup among these aboriginal Britons was the one I bear, I2a. They came from refugia (thought to be in the Balkans) during a glacial minimum. They lived in small bands, and left little evidence of their lives. They were almost wiped out by the Storegga tsunami (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide), which buried Doggerland. Evidence of Mesolithic villages have been found underwater in the French Channel that were likely inhabited up to the event.

    The Middle Eastern Farmers came later, in larger numbers, and brought agriculture and livestock herding with them. They soaked up the WHG's into their culture and religious practices. These are the people who built Stonehenge and most of the Mesolithic stone circles and monuments.

    The Indo-European invasion was the legendary Celtic invasion itself, though there could have been earlier invasions, on a smaller scale, by the same or different tribes. Evidence does now point to a massive invasion of mostly men. The few women who did come with these men were most probably the wives or companions of high-ranking men, with the bulk of warriors being young single men.

    Since that first study I wrote of, DNA testing and understanding has grown exponentially. It is still growing, and several new studies with ground-breaking results are published every year. Lineages can be traced, and subclades can be placed to some degree of accuracy (which will increase, and change things), so we have a clearer understanding now, and based on more than high-level mitochondrial DNA testing. What the author of the study published was true for the women. Roughly 80% of female genetic lines are from the WHG's and MEF's who had inhabited Britain from the Mesolithic. The males, however, were of inverse proportions of Indo-European origin. The replacement rate exceeded 90% in some areas.

    It is easy to assume that the invaders massacred the males, but that may not have been the case. There is no evidence of a warrior culture among the earlier inhabitants, and they didn't likely put up much of a fight. They were more likely to have been enslaved, rather than killed. The women, of course, became the wives and concubines of the Indo-European men.

    The subclade of R1b known as RL-21 is commonly called "Atlantic Celt," and men with this haplogroup account for nearly 90% of men in some parts of Ireland, slightly less in the Celtic areas of Scotland, Cornwall, Wales, and Cornwall. England is lower, but still around 70% to 80% Indo-European. You see, all the subsequent invasions of Britain were carried out by different tribes derived from Indo-European invaders. The Anglo-Saxons, Danish and Norwegian Vikings, and the Normans, were primarily men of Indo-European descent, but different subclades of R1b, R1a, and a handfull of other haplogroups. The female lines, in all cases, bears a striking similarity with the tale of Britain, showing evidence of mostly male invasions, with a much smaller genetic footprint left by Indo-European women.

    From what I've read so far, the Eastern migrations (primarily R1a) from the steppes seem to have included more women than the Western invasions.
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  59. @JimBob
    Does anyone actually believe a bunch of WASPs can be Cherokee? I mean, a lot of otherwise normal people believe Somalians can be swedish, so why not WASPs being Cherokee??

    I get the feeling however that most good-thinking whites will still instinctually scoff at this image for its patent absurdity -- yet how likely is it that they would re-examine the "somali->swede" equivalent in this light? My guess is that that thought would never cross their minds. Social proof is a powerful force. The majority of people believe that whites have no identity of their own (or at least that's how it appears to be). And so a Somalian becoming Swedish doesn't appear to constitute any meaningful difference to them -- hence it gets a pass.

    Not so many WASPS, but lots of Scots/Irish people are also Cherokee. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment, but dies require documentation proving unbroken genealogical record of descendancy.

    Liz Warren falsely claims to be Cherokee and she’s a real leftard moonbat, but it doesn’t automatically follow that there are no actual Cherokee who look like pure white people.

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    Not so many WASPS, but lots of Scots/Irish people are also Cherokee. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment, but dies require documentation proving unbroken genealogical record of descendancy.

     

    Yup. The Cherokee embraced the whites early (pun partially intended). My blonde, green-eyed spouse is a great-to-the-fifth grandchild of Cherokee chief John Ross (himself nowhere near full-blood), who was chief during the Trail of Tears and for decades afterwards, but when she applied for official tribal membership, she had to submit extensive paperwork documenting her ancestry. There's no financial advantage to it, but she wanted to do it because it had been a part of her heritage as long as she can remember.

    I, on the other hand, am 100% American horsethief :-)
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  60. ATate says:

    Speaking of Native Americans, my wife and I just finished Wind River. A pretty good movie. The wife was interested in the actual story, so she read an article about it. Found out that in the actual crime the people that brutally raped and killed the little native girl, were in fact other native Americans (one was her cousin).

    She asked incredulously “Why would they do that?” Meaning; why change it from natives to white people. Me and the 17 year old (Trump lover with a MAGA hat and Trump campaign sign hanging in his bedroom) exchanged knowing glances.

    She’s almost there (Clinton voter). The other straw was getting her to read articles from black women calling white women Becky’s and the one article from the BLM chick who demanded white people give their assets to black people when we die.

    Getting closer every day to waking her up.

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    There has got to be a web site idea in actually tracking all the cases of this and linking the real stories, but I don't have time to curate it. It should be as spare and neutral as possible, with each entry noting an example and linking something like a local news source, and have indexing by title and category. In the meantime there has to be a hashtag to allow people to begin to grasp the size of this scam. I suggest "Make Them White."
    , @RadicalCenter
    GOOD FOR YOU! GOOD LUCK. IT'S IMPORTANT.

    We have young daughters too, younger than yours.
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  61. Spartan says:

    Madison Whitekiller (you can’t make this stuff up) appears to be falling down on the job.

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    How is he a troll ? I think it's funny .
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  62. @TWS
    There's three in the front and three in the back I'd be able to pick out having some Indian in them. If they're raised on the res you'd be able to pick out more from their speech and paralanguage.

    Well, here’s the thing: there are no indian reservations in Oklahoma.

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    "Well, here’s the thing: there are no indian reservations in Oklahoma."

    https://www.aaanativearts.com/reservations-by-state/oklahoma-indian-reservations
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  63. @Thomm
    Note that there are far more women freebie seekers than man, and that the men are the ones who, for the most part, look like actual Native Americans.

    But the fact that white women flock to this type of identity is partly due to the low quality of bottom 20% white men (the WN losers). They are the ones who drive white women into non-white identities.

    Or women are much more attuned to social pressures than men. If society tells women that whites are bad and Indians are good, women just go with the flow and join up with the “society-approved” group. Women just want to know the rules and follow them. That’s what kept them and their children safe for millions of years.

    Men are less influenced by social norms, though we are still social creatures. It’s easier for men to challenge the overall society. Back in tribal days, if a warrior/hunter guy thought that the system was stupid, he could challenge the leaders or try to form his own group. Those were options – even if the odds were long. Those were never – never – options for the women.

    If white men suddenly got their head out of our asses and said, “No more of this diversity BS” and fought back to the point that we created our own neighborhoods, schools, political organizations, white women would fall in line quickly because they would understand that the choice for them – and their children – was black/brown society or white society. They’d have a new set of social norms to follow, and they would.

    The reality is that white women don’t give a rat’s fart about diversity. But they do care a lot about being on the good side of society’s norms. If the Today Show tells them that diversity is good, it’s good. If they’re living in Georgia in 1830, race mixing is abhorrent and against God. They don’t think deeply about these things. The women in this picture are simply doing what women have done since the beginning: Be very attuned to what keeps them safe in the tribe.

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    Or women are much more attuned to social pressures than men. If society tells women that whites are bad and Indians are good, women just go with the flow and join up with the “society-approved” group.
     
    All true. But there still ought to be more blackish women there, than white/whitish men, by that logic.
    , @unpc downunder
    Maybe, or it could just be women are more likely to work in social/verbal jobs where identifying as non-white is advantageous. There is less advantage in identifying as non-white if you're a self-employed mechanic or computer programmer.

    Also, the females go with the flow argument is a bit overstated. Women have always been pretty well represented on the left, even when being a leftist was socially disadvantageous, and these days women are pretty well represented among nationalist politicians and politically incorrect bloggers on social platforms like You Tube. Women in general may be more socially conformist then men, but its often easier for less socially conforming females to carve out a successful niche. There's a cute female vlogger on You Tube called Shoe on Head who makes about 50K a year doing intermittent humorous videos on feminists. That's probably a lot more than Steve makes in terms of effort to reward.
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  64. Here are the amounts of Indian blood required to belong to various tribes:

    https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/native-news/what-percentage-indian-do-you-have-to-be-in-order-to-be-a-member-of-a-tribe-or-nation/

    For Cherokees, it’s “lineal descent.” Question: how does one person descend from another except lineally? I often hear the phrase “directly descended from.” How else do you descend from someone? I’ve been a genealogical hobbyist for thirty years, and still don’t know the answer. I have reason to believe my 57-times great grandfather was King of Munster during the 6th century. If I compute one-over-two to the 57th power, I find I don’t have a single princely nucleotide. Is there a single-nucleotide criterion to be a Cherokee? I guess not.

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  65. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of Indians took white surnames because of missionary efforts, not necessarily their bloodline. Changing your name to a white name meant you had left Indian culture and become a Christian. That’s where a lot of white surnames came in.

    If you’ve ever driven down the streets of Tahlequah, you’ll see a lot of Cherokees who look like full-blooded Indians. Those are mostly the young men who like to drink to excess and hang out on street corners. They don’t run tribal councils because they’re too busy getting wasted. Besides, tribal councils don’t matter so much anymore. If you’re kicked out of the tribe for being too white, so what? You’ve still got simple, old fashioned welfare to fall back on.

    I used to live in Oklahoma, and there are a megaton of mixed breed people around. Most of the Indians are no longer purebred. In 3 more generations, purebred Indians in Oklahoma are going to be about as plentiful as purebred Indians from the east coast tribes like the Penobscot.

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  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The brunettes look like they have some Indian ancestry. The light haired folks in the picture may have some Indian bone or facial features that are less apparent because the light hair stands out.

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  67. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    This actually reminds of why - if push came to shove and whites started getting seriously discriminated against - wouldn't whites simply claim to be Hispanic. There's no genetic test for Hispanic, and, obviously, there are plenty of people from South America, Central America and Mexico who are 90+% European.

    If my kids claimed to be Hispanic (and they actually have some family background that would make that sound plausible) who's to challenge that? If someone asked, you'd only have to get indignant at the question and they'd back off.

    If whites puss out and decide to go gentle into that good night, I'd definitely tell my kids to claim to be Hispanic. Why not? Why should they play along with the rules of a corrupt game? One minute, you're an evil racist, the next, you're showered with praise and easy access to all kinds of goodies.

    Hell, Jews used to change their names to sound more WASP, why not change your name to sound Hispanic? (However, like Jews, you need to remember who you really are. That this is just a game.)

    Basically, I find it hard to believe that as the pressure on whites grows that they won't choose one of two paths: 1) Fight back and start thinking like other ethnic groups (my preference) or 2) Screw it, join one of the "accepted" victim groups, preferably the one most similar to your own.

    Why would whites just sit and take the abuse when there's a simple way to avoid all of it?

    Every year, my kids school puts out an announcement about National Merit scholar recognition. We have semi-finalists and commended students announced but also something called “National Hispanic Scholars”

    This is based on the exact same test, (PSAT) but which, I guess, just has a lower cutoff score. That just seems insulting to me, but I guess its something you can put on your resume/application.

    Anyway, only about 50% of the kids recognized at the school are visibly hispanic and/or have hispanic names. The rest you’re like “whaaah?”

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  68. Thomm says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.

    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.

    Really? Why? And didn’t the ‘black leadership’ object by use of their massive media platform?

    Did the blacks go to other Native American tribes?

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    They did protest. They sued, in fact. They were actually descendants of Cherokee slaves who went with them on the Trail of Tears. Cherokees owned a lot of slaves, especially in Georgia, where many Cherokee plantations were larger than those of whites. Some have speculated this was a bad move on their part, as it may have made the whites jealous of their success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy
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  69. Thomm says:
    @Lurker
    F off troll.

    F off troll.

    Make me.

    It is funny when a loser from the aforementioned group voluntarily self-identifies and displays his impotent loserdom (as Lurker has done).

    Heh heh heh heh

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    @64 Thomm: "Heh heh heh heh"

    You and !!superChinese!!! with his "uh uh" really ought to get together and figure out a standard way to mimic native patterns of English speech and to better perfect your "evil Whites are notsee losers nanny nanny boo boo" paradigm.

    And the "loserdom" appellation - really? I realize the Indian/Asian sperg trope is based on reality, but you oughtn't to work quite so hard to embody it.
    , @Lurker
    Yes, I know what you're doing. It's feeble.
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  70. EL says:

    Madison Whitekiller. Quite a name.

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  71. jJay says:

    The only American Indian I know lives up north of Santa Barbara. He’s a hapa: half Chumash and half Mexican with an interesting life story. I don’t talk politics outside of internet forums. Neither does he, but for one outburst. He voted for Donald Trump.

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  72. Tiny Duck says:

    Wow guess you guys forgot whole genocided who

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    It's hard to keep track of all the "native American" Indian tribes slaughtering other Indians over the centuries, both before and after we arrived in North America.
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  73. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’m 3% neanderthal?where’s my casino?!

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    Monte Carlo. Or anywhere along the Riviera or the Cinque Terre, really. Faites vos jeux. You may face some local opposition from truculent legitimate businessmen, fair warning.
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  74. @Patrick in SC
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cZ4vFZ8A_Y

    They don’t look like indians to me either, and I’m 1/32 full-blooded Cherokeee!

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  75. Reading some links from something Steve/ Unzish, I read that the average YT American was about 1-3% Amerindian (3 different studies with diff estimates in that range). Warren’s family lore that has one bit of documentation is that she would be max 1/64 Cherokee… making her a totally average Honky, but one shameless enough to try to parlay her average Indian quantum into Affirmative Action goodies. But, these kids got her beat at that game it looks.

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  76. I think we’re due for a remake of Billy Jack.

    “Before there was Black Panther, there was…Billy Jack!” The plot could involve dreamers and gleamers being victimized by members of the alt-right. Who would star?

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  77. Sean says:

    Sarah Palin is supposed to be not Native American at all.

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    She’s pure European. But one of her husband’s grandmothers was Eskimo. So her children are part Eskimo
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  78. (L to R) Front Row: 2016-17 Tribal Youth Council members Alexa Fuson, Olivia Rains, Amari McCoy, Katelyn Morton, Whitney Roach, Laurel Reynolds, Destiny Matthews and Madison Whitekiller. Back Row: Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr.; 2016-17 Tribal Youth Council members Austin Jones, Camerin James, Morgan McSpadden, Bradley Fields and Chelbie Turtle; Principal Chief Bill John Baker; 2016-17 Tribal Youth Council members Jamie Garrett, Callie Horner, Cade Russell and Andrew Jefferson; and Deputy Chief S. Joe Crittenden.

    Heh….

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  79. @Saxon
    If no one forced a DNA test, I suppose no one would challenge it. When the term "Hispanic" is used, though, mostly what people think of is some kind of brown mestizo or at the very least off-white looking type like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.

    The thing is that white Americans are very white and most all of them have no actual non-European ancestry, so this only works as long as DNA testing is off the table. Which for the most part it currently is for various reasons. Even with these tribes in America and Canada, no one will test them because the reality is that virtually all of these people have 70-75% European ancestry minimum. Where I grew up a girl really liked to play on her native ancestry which couldn't be more than maybe 5% tops. She had blue eyes, a very northern European face and the only difference between her and everyone else was that she had jet black hair which is the only way you could tell she had any non-northwest European ancestry at all.

    Yep. Knew a guy in college that got a scholarship because he was Hispanic. His father was an American white engineer. His mother was an accountant from Mexico who met the father at the corporate office in Mexico City. Her family was German and Irish.

    I also knew a girl whose parents were from Argentina. Light brown hair and green eyes. Looked like she was from Iowa.

    Neither one of them spoke Spanish.

    This is my point. At some point, there’s no reason to be treated like a second-class citizen when it’d be incredibly easy to move to the front of the bus. I mean, if I was a black guy in Jim Crow times, and someone said, “Hey, you can be treated exactly like you were white if you just claim that some relative in your past was European or South American or Indian – no proof required.” I say sign me up.

    I don’t know if the Dems fully understand that this option is available and how easily it could be adopted by whites.

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  80. Jake says:

    Steve,

    Your title is wrong. John Ross had red hair and blue eyes. He would have fit right into that picture.

    Funny that Ross also would have looked perfect in a photograph of the Highland Ross clan.

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  81. Thomm says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Or women are much more attuned to social pressures than men. If society tells women that whites are bad and Indians are good, women just go with the flow and join up with the "society-approved" group. Women just want to know the rules and follow them. That's what kept them and their children safe for millions of years.

    Men are less influenced by social norms, though we are still social creatures. It's easier for men to challenge the overall society. Back in tribal days, if a warrior/hunter guy thought that the system was stupid, he could challenge the leaders or try to form his own group. Those were options - even if the odds were long. Those were never - never - options for the women.

    If white men suddenly got their head out of our asses and said, "No more of this diversity BS" and fought back to the point that we created our own neighborhoods, schools, political organizations, white women would fall in line quickly because they would understand that the choice for them - and their children - was black/brown society or white society. They'd have a new set of social norms to follow, and they would.

    The reality is that white women don't give a rat's fart about diversity. But they do care a lot about being on the good side of society's norms. If the Today Show tells them that diversity is good, it's good. If they're living in Georgia in 1830, race mixing is abhorrent and against God. They don't think deeply about these things. The women in this picture are simply doing what women have done since the beginning: Be very attuned to what keeps them safe in the tribe.

    Or women are much more attuned to social pressures than men. If society tells women that whites are bad and Indians are good, women just go with the flow and join up with the “society-approved” group.

    All true. But there still ought to be more blackish women there, than white/whitish men, by that logic.

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  82. jim jones says:
    @Dana Thompson
    Here are the amounts of Indian blood required to belong to various tribes:

    https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/news/native-news/what-percentage-indian-do-you-have-to-be-in-order-to-be-a-member-of-a-tribe-or-nation/

    For Cherokees, it's "lineal descent." Question: how does one person descend from another except lineally? I often hear the phrase "directly descended from." How else do you descend from someone? I've been a genealogical hobbyist for thirty years, and still don't know the answer. I have reason to believe my 57-times great grandfather was King of Munster during the 6th century. If I compute one-over-two to the 57th power, I find I don't have a single princely nucleotide. Is there a single-nucleotide criterion to be a Cherokee? I guess not.

    Diversity is like homeopathy, the more you dilute it the more powerful it becomes

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  83. J.Ross says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Remember that Native guy from Village People?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z1TKTGtd98

    I wonder if that'd be considered cultural appropriation these days.

    They “updated” him for a concert in the early nineties, with a nice “southwest” theme suit and turquoise bolo.

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  84. Whoever says: • Website
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    Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women. I haven't read any reports on the female haplogroups, but they're probably still majority Indian.

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.

    Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women.

    I wonder how often that is true for Americans who have native ancestry. With the tribe I am affiliated with, to prove tribal affiliation you have to provide verified documentary evidence going back four generations (DNA tests are not accepted). In my case, this is easy because one of my redskin forebears was an army scout with the 22nd Infantry at Fort Keogh, and we have his military records, including disbursement, as well as recommendation and commendation letters to him signed by Col. Peter T. Swain and Lt. Edward W. Casey.
    (Casey was killed during the Ghost Dance troubles. Col. Swain was in the same West Point class –’52 — as George Crook. Another branch of my family has a man who served under Crook in California and tried to serve under him during the Civil War, but never got farther east than Nebraska.)
    Some of the surnames in my hairlifter background are Beartusk, Redcherries, Twobulls, Yellownose, Tangledyellowhair, Strangeowl, Whitewolf, Crazymule, Twomoons and Risingsun, but there are also a number of European names as well. Those may be the names of white men who married Indian women, but I suppose they could just as easily be names given to them by whites or that they decided to call themselves.
    Here is a photo of a plains Indian war party plotting an attack on a wagon train:

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    Well, firstly, Plains Indians are not Cherokee, so we're talking apples and oranges. R1b is not nearly so common among other major tribes as among Cherokee. And again I state, among those tested. Unless an entire population is tested, the only thing you have is results for your sample group. I don't know how the tests were administered, nor even what were the goals of the tests.

    There are legends about such things as Jewish Cherokees, who had some European features and culture which was witnessed by Europeans who arrived in the 1700's. It's now accepted that these were descendants of Indians among whom the earliest Europeans had lived, and evidently bred with in some cases.

    Eastern bands of Indians have lived with whites a lot longer than Western bands, and many tribes have bred themselves out mixing with whites. The Catawba of South Carolina are a good example. There isn't a single one who is more than 1/2 native left alive.

    The land where I live was once common hunting grounds for Catawba and Cherokee. The Cherokee stayed West of the Saluda river, and the Catawba stayed East of the Catawba river, and the lands between the rivers were used by both tribes. This was established after the two tribes fought a war, after the Iriquois invaded this part of the country.
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  85. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ATate
    Speaking of Native Americans, my wife and I just finished Wind River. A pretty good movie. The wife was interested in the actual story, so she read an article about it. Found out that in the actual crime the people that brutally raped and killed the little native girl, were in fact other native Americans (one was her cousin).

    She asked incredulously "Why would they do that?" Meaning; why change it from natives to white people. Me and the 17 year old (Trump lover with a MAGA hat and Trump campaign sign hanging in his bedroom) exchanged knowing glances.

    She's almost there (Clinton voter). The other straw was getting her to read articles from black women calling white women Becky's and the one article from the BLM chick who demanded white people give their assets to black people when we die.

    Getting closer every day to waking her up.

    There has got to be a web site idea in actually tracking all the cases of this and linking the real stories, but I don’t have time to curate it. It should be as spare and neutral as possible, with each entry noting an example and linking something like a local news source, and have indexing by title and category. In the meantime there has to be a hashtag to allow people to begin to grasp the size of this scam. I suggest “Make Them White.”

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  86. @Twodees Partain
    Whitekiller is an actual Cherokee name. So are Mankiller, Pathkiller and Sixkiller. Once you know some of the traditional surnames, they are easy to spot, though a few Irish and Scot surnames are associated with CNO from long term use, such as Ross, Adair, Baker and some others.

    UKB surnames also include some English, Scot and Irish names that go back a long way, such as Christie and Downing.

    EBC surnames include some Scot and irish names like Hick, Reed, and Welch. Contemporary Cherokee surnames are a mixture of traditional names from Adair to Youngdeer and Baker to Saunooke.

    Always remember former Washington Husky and WFL quarterback Sonny Sixkiller.

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  87. There hasn’t been a full blooded east coast Indian for two hundred years. Very different story in the west. I suspect that they didn’t much resemble each other even back in the days of Miles Standish and John Smith though. Descriptions of some tribes more than others had them possessing European characteristics.

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    The Long Island "Indians" (Poospatuck, Shinnecock) are almost entirely black.

    The only Indians I have seen at this end of the country who appeared to be full-blooded were members of a tribe that had a big reservation (Tuscarora?) in the area of Akron, western NY state (Buffalo region). Big, stout-looking people, with fairly dark red skin. Some of the men wore their hair in braids.
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  88. Achilles says:

    There was a lot of mixing between whites and Indians as the frontier moved west over the hundreds of years, especially east of the Mississippi and south of the Great Plains.

    There were multiple factors at play, but two of the most important were the trading networks economically connecting bands of Indians to American markets and, as has been noted above, Christianity.

    Many Indian traders, both French and English, had numerous mixed race children. One often finds these mixed-race individuals moving to the forefront of Indian bands as traders themselves, leading warriors and as articulate spokesmen for their tribes.

    The most common descriptor of Indians in contemporary accounts, aside from the use of the tribal names, was not whites and reds but rather Christian and heathen. Conversion to Christianity by Indians opened the door for many to leave the warrior ethos and semi-nomadic lifestyle of the tribes and become “civilized,” joining the larger American civilization with the rule of law, property rights, courts and so on. It is undoubtedly the case that the number of the mixed-race and other Indians who became “civilized” and left tribal life to join the larger American civilization was much larger than the small number who remained in the semi-nomadic bands of Indian tribes and ultimately wound up on reservations.

    As Jewish academics came to dominant status in American universities, the historical narrative of the Indians changed to serve the Jewish group interest of attacking and undermining white gentiles. Instead of viewing the Indians as proud heathens, warriors, hunters and savages (which gave rise to so many university mascots), the Indians were depicted as victims of white Europeans, even as victims of claimed “genocide,” and the mixed reality of actual history was forced into a racial binary useful to attacking white gentile American civilization. The Indians were re-imagined from fierce warriors into peaceful naturalists. The interesting and strong differences among the various Indian nations and the history of conflict and other relations among them was submerged into this binary of Indians as a monolith of victimhood on the one side and white gentile exploiters on the other. The role of Christianity in this history was either completely ignored or considered as a tool of economic and cultural exploitation.

    For anyone interested in learning about American Indians it is best to read the first person accounts of the Indians, of which there are many, and the early histories.

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  89. We Wuz Cheefs

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  90. This is absurd.

    If I was in a tribe, I would insist that all new members demonstrate proof beyond family tradition or loose genealogical history. DNA for all new members, or some other conclusive documentary proof like they use for Daughters of the American Revolution or something like that. I would think about and come up with a percentage that makes you eligible to join, tailored to preserve tribe assets while allowing it to maintain an identity going forward. Nothing needs to be publicized. Have a tribal review committee do the dirty work. Don’t challenge the existing members, because then DNA is off the table because too many of them know they will be revealed as frauds or plain ol whites. Pick a date and say that from now on, we need more proof, even if your parents are both in the tribe. Or maybe grandparents. Sorry.

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  91. Spud Boy says:

    At the rate we’re going, half the country will be eligible for affirmative action benefits.
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    Somewhere north of 51% already are.
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  92. istevefan says:

    In late 2014, Steve posted about the average ancestry of white Americans.

    Think about your family tree back nine generations ago, which would mostly be in the 1700s. You have 512 slots in your family tree nine generations ago (two to the ninth power). The 23andMe numbers suggest that for the average white American, 1 of your 512 ancestors nine generations ago was black and 1 of 512 was Native American.

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  93. Alden says:
    @Sean
    Sarah Palin is supposed to be not Native American at all.

    She’s pure European. But one of her husband’s grandmothers was Eskimo. So her children are part Eskimo

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    Aren't we all, darlin'?

    Robert, who had learned to speak Inuktitut while living in Fort Chimo, in northern Quebec, never returned to Canada and died in Glasgow in 1909 aged 44, never seeing his family again. His brother, however, also married into an indigenous family and managed to stay. The Grey sisters say they now plan to visit Scotland to find the grave of their great-great grandfather – while earlier this month, the pair met around 100 of Robert and William Gray’s descendants at a Canada Day family reunion in Alberta.
     
    https://res.cloudinary.com/jpress/image/fetch/w_700,f_auto,ar_3:2,c_fill/https://www.scotsman.com/webimage/1.4505186.1500148425!/image/image.jpg

    an Orkney man forced to abandon his Inuit family by his Canadian employer, which sent him home to Scotland in disgrace for being “too familiar” with locals.
     
    Kind of unfair to blame the Leafs for this, as even as late as 1909 "Canada" was merely a geographical expression.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/inuit-descendants-reclaim-scot-sent-home-for-being-too-familiar-1-4505187
    , @Sean
    Well to me she doesn't look 100% non Native American ancestry. But then quite a lot of Americans look that way to me.
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  94. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Or women are much more attuned to social pressures than men. If society tells women that whites are bad and Indians are good, women just go with the flow and join up with the "society-approved" group. Women just want to know the rules and follow them. That's what kept them and their children safe for millions of years.

    Men are less influenced by social norms, though we are still social creatures. It's easier for men to challenge the overall society. Back in tribal days, if a warrior/hunter guy thought that the system was stupid, he could challenge the leaders or try to form his own group. Those were options - even if the odds were long. Those were never - never - options for the women.

    If white men suddenly got their head out of our asses and said, "No more of this diversity BS" and fought back to the point that we created our own neighborhoods, schools, political organizations, white women would fall in line quickly because they would understand that the choice for them - and their children - was black/brown society or white society. They'd have a new set of social norms to follow, and they would.

    The reality is that white women don't give a rat's fart about diversity. But they do care a lot about being on the good side of society's norms. If the Today Show tells them that diversity is good, it's good. If they're living in Georgia in 1830, race mixing is abhorrent and against God. They don't think deeply about these things. The women in this picture are simply doing what women have done since the beginning: Be very attuned to what keeps them safe in the tribe.

    Maybe, or it could just be women are more likely to work in social/verbal jobs where identifying as non-white is advantageous. There is less advantage in identifying as non-white if you’re a self-employed mechanic or computer programmer.

    Also, the females go with the flow argument is a bit overstated. Women have always been pretty well represented on the left, even when being a leftist was socially disadvantageous, and these days women are pretty well represented among nationalist politicians and politically incorrect bloggers on social platforms like You Tube. Women in general may be more socially conformist then men, but its often easier for less socially conforming females to carve out a successful niche. There’s a cute female vlogger on You Tube called Shoe on Head who makes about 50K a year doing intermittent humorous videos on feminists. That’s probably a lot more than Steve makes in terms of effort to reward.

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    Agreed. I was generalizing a bit. Channeling my inner Whiskey, so to speak.

    However, there's no doubt that women - on average - are more concerned about being socially accepted than men. The question for women is what do they view as their group. If they view their group as the alt-right, they could spout all kinds of things that the larger society would find offensive. Same was true back when being a leftist wasn't as advantagous. Granted, this is also true for men, just not as much.

    Regarding jobs, what you say is quite true. Women's jobs are far more concentrated in fields where either being non-white or towing the PC line is absolutely required. Of course, this in and of itself may be because they are women and gravitate to those jobs, i.e. the rules are clear. Women generally very much want to know the rules so they can follow them. They don't like situations/jobs where things are fluid and you have to find your own way. Obviously, this isn't true for some women, just in general.
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  95. guest says:

    I live a few minutes from a Sioux reservation that built a casino when I was in junior high. As you can imagine, that attracted the fraction-breeds like flies on honey. Plenty of classmates I’d have sworn were regular white folk got in on the friends and family profit-sharing plans. (In some cases with what results you’d expect from 14 year-olds winning the lottery.)

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  96. BB753 says:

    That’s why we need immigration and as many Dreamers and Gleaners as possible. Any Mexican would make a better job at looking like a Cherokee than these pitiful American wannabes, lol!

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  97. guest says:
    @Anonymous
    The young bucks are missing from the image because they're too busy abusing drugs and alcohol to sit for the photographer. The rate of alcoholism among "native Americans" is about six times (!) the rate of alcoholism in the US. Furthermore, more than a quarter of indian babies have fetal alcohol syndrome, a condition that may persist throughout life. Think about this: fully 25% of native Americans are brain damaged at birth becuase of the behavior of the parents.

    It's tough on the reservation with nothing to do -- most indians are entitled to a lifetime-subsidy and god knows how many extre benes. Why work at the casino when your government check is miraculously put in your account?

    http://www.ibtimes.com/native-americans-tragedy-alcoholism-214046

    Are we to imagine all the people in the photo are living on reservations? Doesn’t look like it to me.

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  98. 3g4me says:
    @Thomm

    F off troll.
     
    Make me.

    It is funny when a loser from the aforementioned group voluntarily self-identifies and displays his impotent loserdom (as Lurker has done).

    Heh heh heh heh

    @64 Thomm: “Heh heh heh heh”

    You and !!superChinese!!! with his “uh uh” really ought to get together and figure out a standard way to mimic native patterns of English speech and to better perfect your “evil Whites are notsee losers nanny nanny boo boo” paradigm.

    And the “loserdom” appellation – really? I realize the Indian/Asian sperg trope is based on reality, but you oughtn’t to work quite so hard to embody it.

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  99. @Polynices
    Time for one of my favorite anecdotes. In college I knew a sorority girl who was tall and blonde with thick curly hair and... a fully enrolled member of one of the local NW Indian tribes. We though that was pretty funny. She was also rather violently interested in one of my roommates but that’s another story.

    Did she end up smoking his peace pipe?

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  100. @oddsbodkins
    In my public elementary school a teacher once showed a set of portrait photos and asked the class to identify who among them were Native Americans. We dutifully tallied and on average probably said a third of them were. Then she drops the bomb and scolds: "They're all Native Americans! You can't tell who is or isn't by appearance." I remember an uneasy feeling that I was being lied to about something important, and wondering why our trusted teacher had deployed guilt and trickery, something she didn't otherwise do. This was the first time I remember being aware of and bothered by this kind of manipulation through official channels.

    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They’re posing at their patriarch’s wee but and ben.

    Nor was the rapport with the Orcadians a purely theoretical one, for the visitors, conspicuous in bright red jackets, soon established themselves as familiar and popular figures relaxing the local cafés and passing the time of day with locals on the streets.

    The Orkney telephone directory made for an unlikely but particular source of fascination for the Indians. It contained common instances of such surnames as Flett, Isbister, Drever, Harcus, Linklater, and Rendall. Even the Indians had previously assumed these, widespread in and ostensibly exclusive to their own community, to be First Nation names, and had been unaware of their true origins. Genealogist Alexander Dietz from Saskatoon, who was also in town, confessed that he had not realised the full extent of the connection.

    A group of young dancers danced on the sand at Pierowall in Westray. They were astonished to find themselves stranded on a sandy island, never previously having experienced the tide.

    Most of the dance troupe made a pilgrimage to the ruined cottage at Kirbister where Magnus Twatt had once lived. As Kim continues the story:

    “It was a moving visit. There Terry (Daniels) told me the reality and realisation that he was walking the same ground his ancestors had walked came to him as he had listened to a prayer being given in Cree in Orkney’s St Magnus Cathedral. He knew he belonged in these islands.

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    A few of those names are on the list of Orcadians who served the Hudson Bay Company up to 1858:

    http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/OKI/canada

    The list apparently covers the area west of the Rockies from California to Alaska.
    , @Big Bill
    "Magnus Twatt".

    What a euphonius appellation.

    I shall borrow it.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    I'm still puzzling over the "sandy island".
    I can only suppose they got temporarily stranded on one of the small sandbanks going round to Gill Pier. Most of Westray's accessible coast apart from Pierowall and maybe Rapness is horribly dangerous to even wade in, due to the rip and the cold. You get orcas flopping their fins over yards from the beach on the far side of the golf course at Noltland as a bonus. The rest is terrifying cliffs.

    Yes, genuine official links golf course, but I think the balls would have to be made of lead, to counter the wind hazard. And the rabbit holes out on the rough towards the sea are a nightmare.
    http://scottishgolfcourses-allofthem.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/westray-gc-course-no-331.html
    , @Gringo

    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They’re posing at their patriarch’s wee but and ben.
     
    My mother's brothers married women who were 1/8 Indian/First Nation/Native American. One of my 1/8 Indian aunts- whose Euro ancestors were predominantly Scots Irish- made a trip to Europe. She told me that in her visit to Scotland, she felt as if she were home.
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  101. @unpc downunder
    Maybe, or it could just be women are more likely to work in social/verbal jobs where identifying as non-white is advantageous. There is less advantage in identifying as non-white if you're a self-employed mechanic or computer programmer.

    Also, the females go with the flow argument is a bit overstated. Women have always been pretty well represented on the left, even when being a leftist was socially disadvantageous, and these days women are pretty well represented among nationalist politicians and politically incorrect bloggers on social platforms like You Tube. Women in general may be more socially conformist then men, but its often easier for less socially conforming females to carve out a successful niche. There's a cute female vlogger on You Tube called Shoe on Head who makes about 50K a year doing intermittent humorous videos on feminists. That's probably a lot more than Steve makes in terms of effort to reward.

    Agreed. I was generalizing a bit. Channeling my inner Whiskey, so to speak.

    However, there’s no doubt that women – on average – are more concerned about being socially accepted than men. The question for women is what do they view as their group. If they view their group as the alt-right, they could spout all kinds of things that the larger society would find offensive. Same was true back when being a leftist wasn’t as advantagous. Granted, this is also true for men, just not as much.

    Regarding jobs, what you say is quite true. Women’s jobs are far more concentrated in fields where either being non-white or towing the PC line is absolutely required. Of course, this in and of itself may be because they are women and gravitate to those jobs, i.e. the rules are clear. Women generally very much want to know the rules so they can follow them. They don’t like situations/jobs where things are fluid and you have to find your own way. Obviously, this isn’t true for some women, just in general.

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  102. @Truth
    Braun?

    Braun Stowman IS NOT FINISHED WITH YOU.

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  103. @Thomm
    The fact that tone of white women are flocking to this non-white identity is only one point.

    Equally salient is how somehow there is no black or blackish person here. I wonder why. Blacks are extremely keen on claiming some Native American ancestry. Even Henry Louis Gates has slammed other blacks for exaggerating this.

    There is a separate group for black slaves taken to Oklahoma by the Cherokee. The ex slave group receives no federal support.

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  104. Cortes says:

    Pioneers never say die…

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  105. @Thomm

    The Cherokee had a membership drive in the early 2000s: they drove a few thousand blackish people out of the tribe.
     
    Really? Why? And didn't the 'black leadership' object by use of their massive media platform?

    Did the blacks go to other Native American tribes?

    They did protest. They sued, in fact. They were actually descendants of Cherokee slaves who went with them on the Trail of Tears. Cherokees owned a lot of slaves, especially in Georgia, where many Cherokee plantations were larger than those of whites. Some have speculated this was a bad move on their part, as it may have made the whites jealous of their success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy

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    Interesting. Thanks.
    , @Anon
    Great William Faulkner short story entitled 'Red Leaves' documented Indian owning slaves.
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  106. Travis says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    This actually reminds of why - if push came to shove and whites started getting seriously discriminated against - wouldn't whites simply claim to be Hispanic. There's no genetic test for Hispanic, and, obviously, there are plenty of people from South America, Central America and Mexico who are 90+% European.

    If my kids claimed to be Hispanic (and they actually have some family background that would make that sound plausible) who's to challenge that? If someone asked, you'd only have to get indignant at the question and they'd back off.

    If whites puss out and decide to go gentle into that good night, I'd definitely tell my kids to claim to be Hispanic. Why not? Why should they play along with the rules of a corrupt game? One minute, you're an evil racist, the next, you're showered with praise and easy access to all kinds of goodies.

    Hell, Jews used to change their names to sound more WASP, why not change your name to sound Hispanic? (However, like Jews, you need to remember who you really are. That this is just a game.)

    Basically, I find it hard to believe that as the pressure on whites grows that they won't choose one of two paths: 1) Fight back and start thinking like other ethnic groups (my preference) or 2) Screw it, join one of the "accepted" victim groups, preferably the one most similar to your own.

    Why would whites just sit and take the abuse when there's a simple way to avoid all of it?

    due to the overwhelming number of hispanics applying for affirmative action loans in New York City , they now require applicants must include a birth certificate of a parent or Grandparent to prove they are “hispanic” and qualify for the subsidized loans.

    If millions of whites started to claim hispanic heritage more institutions would start to require further proof of hispanic credentials…Will be interesting if the children of Ted Cruz qualify for affirmative action…The New York Times stated that Ted Cruz was one of the few Non-Whites in the Senate last year..strange that the children of Ted Cruz can claim to be hispanic, when 3 of their 4 grandparents were not Spanish…and 7 of their 8 great grandparents were born in Europe. If we have the one drop rule to determine ones Spanish ethnicity we may see 80% of high school graduates will qualify in 10 years time.

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    No way institutions demanding that you could only qualify as "Hispanic" if you could prove one grandparent born in a Hispanic country would fly. Eventually, it would begin disqualifying a lot of Conquistador Americans who are Hispanic "leaders."

    Blacks don't have to prove that they had a slave for an ancestor.

    Also, why couldn't I just claim that my grandfather was an illegal who "came with the shirt on his back and now you want to discriminate against me people again."

    I just saying that this spoils system that we have right now only lasts as long as whites feel enough guilt to not play the system. Maybe that will last forever. But it's just as likely that enough whites start to game the system that it starts to collapse. At that point, there would have to be genetic testing and that's when whites will not be able to ignore that apartheid world that they live in.
    , @VivaLaMigra
    I have three first cousins with the surname "Sonia;" they're all Dead White. Uncle Raymondo [he was just Ray to us] was from PR. So I have two second cousins - my cousin's daughters - also Dead White bearing the name "Sonia." One got into, and graduated from, Harvard. She did it the old-fashioned way - very hard work, but had she applied as an "Hispanic" her GPA probably could have been half a point lower. None of these five people look Puerto Rican or speak Spanish and don't know a taco from an enchelada. Yet they could all check the "Hispanic" box on the US Census.
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  107. @Michelle
    That is not a good song! It is a terrible song. Very embarrassing.

    You think that’s embarrassing for the Cherokees? Get a load of the video the Apaches have to live with:

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  108. All my life it’s been a standing joke that whenever somebody says they’re part Indian, the tribe they name nearly always seems to be Cherokee. Not Algonquin, not Nez Perce, not Sioux not Commanche nor anything else. Always Cherokee. And I wonder why? Is it that the Cherokee were just more promiscuous than the other tribes? Or is it rather that all these half-Injuns are really just typical white people who can’t actually name any tribe other than the Cherokee. What gives?

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  109. Look like the majority of Indians you see in Oklahoma these days. Though the kick a poo tribes InThat State sure look like they’ve got Indian blood in them.

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  110. Thomm says:
    @RebelWriter
    They did protest. They sued, in fact. They were actually descendants of Cherokee slaves who went with them on the Trail of Tears. Cherokees owned a lot of slaves, especially in Georgia, where many Cherokee plantations were larger than those of whites. Some have speculated this was a bad move on their part, as it may have made the whites jealous of their success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy

    Interesting. Thanks.

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  111. Clyde says:

    Seems to be only one Cherokee casino and the checks that go out to qualifying tribal members were $4,000 in 2012. This is chump change compared to what Seminoles and Mohegans get. Mashantuckets own Foxwoods in Connecticut which was the first Indian casino and those tribals have a Black-Native American look to them. Foxwoods is one of the most profitable Indian casinos.

    Cherokee banks brace for rush when casino checks go out
    http://www.smokymountainnews.com/news/item/9427-cherokee-banks-brace-for…;
    Dec 05, 2012 · Bi-annual casino windfall. This December, each enrolled member in the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians received a check worth $3,912 before taxes. That amount is up about $200 from the last per capita check in June, which was up over the amount from last year. The tribe’s profits have fluctuated between $210 million and $225 million in recent years

    An Alligator Wrestler, A Casino Boss And A $12 Billion Tribe

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2016/10/19/seminole…

    Oct 19, 2016 · The Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Tampa now accounts for 40% of the Seminoles’ $2.2 billion in annual gambling revenues. During his reign as Seminole chief Billie enjoyed considerable riches, including a 47-foot yacht and the use of a small fleet of helicopters and planes, one of which was a jet once owned by Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

    Although the Mashantuckets have halted payments to tribal members that once exceeded $100,000 annually, Mohegan officials say they have never emphasized large cash payments to members. In addition to what they describe as modest stipends for members, the revenue has gone toward education and health benefits, including an elder housing facility, and shoring up cultural institutions.

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  112. @The Alarmist
    Ah 33, the magic number in so many facets of life.

    Indeed, Brother. But keep it on the square, eh?

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  113. Clyde says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)
    We're the Cherokee Miscegenation:
    Ever-paler our path through Creation.
    Mating better, not worse,
    We are Swedes-in-Reverse.
    No hangups and no reservation.

    Very good!

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  114. Allen says:

    Off topic, but I haven’t seen anyone mention the new David Brooks column: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/opinion/east-germany-immigration-usa.html

    A choice selection:

    “It’s more accurate to say restrictionists are stuck in a mono-cultural system that undermines their own values: industry, faithfulness and self-discipline. Of course they react with defensive animosity to the immigrants who out-hustle and out-build them. You’d react negatively, too, if confronted with people who are better versions of what you wish you were yourself.”

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  115. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    They did protest. They sued, in fact. They were actually descendants of Cherokee slaves who went with them on the Trail of Tears. Cherokees owned a lot of slaves, especially in Georgia, where many Cherokee plantations were larger than those of whites. Some have speculated this was a bad move on their part, as it may have made the whites jealous of their success.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy

    Great William Faulkner short story entitled ‘Red Leaves’ documented Indian owning slaves.

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  116. Truth be known, Warren’s story is entirely plausible. I have very close kin (by marriage) from that part of the country, who have the same ‘family lore’ of being Indian. There’s includes a picture of a great grandmother who is very dark skinned, with angular features-the great grand daughter of whom is blonde haired and blue eyed. If I were to speculate that the great grandmother is half Indian, that would make the blonde younger woman 1/16th Indian. There is a lot of intermixed Indian blood in the area around Oklahoma.

    Warren’s sin was not to claim Indian heritage; it was to claim government and hiring benefits for Indian heritage without going through the legal requirements to do so, and Harvard’s great sin was to let her do so.

    In other words, the problem here is one of ‘different rules for the rich and/or connected.’

    joe

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  117. Jimi says:

    Steve, you often say that Chuck Schumer is a wily politician with a high IQ and a perfect SAT score. Do you to reevaluate that assessment?

    Schumer’s govt shutdown gambit backfired on him. Now he is doubling down on illegal immigration. He’s made DACAites and other illegal immigrants the face of the Democratic party. I think illegals are now even higher than gays and Muslims in the special victims hierarchy.

    In his most recent remarks he didn’t seem to know what definition of “protagonists” is and forgot the plot of “Silence o the Lambs.” Age takes its toll on everyone.

    I have to say I’m really appalled by our Republican colleagues in reference to this,” Schumer said on Tuesday. “They’ve always been defenders of the FBI and protagonists of Putin, and they seem to have flipped. They remind me of a movie: The Silence of the Lambs. They’re just not saying a thing. But we are going to push hard to get it in.

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  118. eah says:

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    Boohoo and Wahoo, now we need that Meyer gal for Yahoo,and they can all toast with a YooHoo.
    , @eah
    http://www.monomakhos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/wacko-world2.png
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  119. Jack D says:
    @Isolee
    Here's a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    As I’m sure with the Cherokee Youth Council, these are “talented tenth” aboriginals. IQ is strongly correlated with race so that the smartest “aboriginals” are also most likely to be the ones who are barely aboriginal. If you were to visit a random trailer on the reservation or a drug house, they would look a lot less white than this gang.

    There are usually clues to African blood at the 1/4 level but at 1/8 many can “pass” as white. However, people who are 3/4 white when the other quarter is some other race (Indian, aborigine) also can appear fully white. It takes no time at all to get down to the 1/4 level – just a couple of generations. And 1/8 is just 1 more generation away. Aboriginals and American Indians have been in contact with whites for dozens of generations now so it’s almost miraculous that they are not ALL below 1/4 at this point.

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  120. @Anon
    I'm 3% neanderthal?where's my casino?!

    Monte Carlo. Or anywhere along the Riviera or the Cinque Terre, really. Faites vos jeux. You may face some local opposition from truculent legitimate businessmen, fair warning.

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  121. @The Anti-Gnostic
    It's "Youth Night" at the Des Moines Rotary Club!

    Seriously, judging from the picture, looks like they haven't been making them like they used to in a long time.

    Are our descendants in the USA going to make similar comments about the very-mestizo/indio-Mexican-looking “Americans” in a photo claiming white ancestry?

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  122. Tamaqua says:

    Here’s the Seneca council.

    https://sni.org/government/elected-officials/

    The Six Nations think “Cherokees” are mongrel fakers, who, like the Delawares and others, couldn’t stay sober long enough to be respected by the Federal government and keep at least part of their land. There’s even an insane splinter group of white people in Tennessee who claim to be “Cherokees” that we’re descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel

    http://torah-voice.org/CherokeDNA.htm

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  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women. I haven't read any reports on the female haplogroups, but they're probably still majority Indian.

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.

    The Ruling Tribe already has America more race obsessed than the Third Reich ever was. And it’s just getting in gear. I know very few white people who don’t claim some amerind or other ethnic status, and the less Nordic, the better. Can you blame them for adopting these amulets in the (probably vain) hope that they’ll be less disadvantaged and/or avoid having their throats cut? SMH as are we all, but this is today’s America. And yes, it’s Brought to You by the Good Folks of the Ruling Tribe.

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    Well, you got me thinking. Perhaps the tribe DID get us feeling this way via movies. I can't say how far back this goes, but all my life I've heard people make claims of having some Cherokee ancestry. I'm 58.
    I was quite surprised to discover this "feeling" of having Indian blood is, if anything, MORE common among blacks than whites in the South. Not a bit more true, however. In spite of the ads you may see on TV with people claiming "36% Native American DNA," it's actually pretty rare. Most American whites are entirely European, while most American blacks are around 12% European.
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  124. @Rod1963
    I've known full and half-blooded Indians, these aren't Indians. Some may have 1/10th Indian blood but they aren't Indians.

    Most of them could easily be members of the local Moose Lodge.

    Don’t some federally-recognized tribes allow membership based on a very low “blood quantum”, so someone can look and be substantially white European and still qualify to enroll as a member of that tribe?

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  125. @ATate
    Speaking of Native Americans, my wife and I just finished Wind River. A pretty good movie. The wife was interested in the actual story, so she read an article about it. Found out that in the actual crime the people that brutally raped and killed the little native girl, were in fact other native Americans (one was her cousin).

    She asked incredulously "Why would they do that?" Meaning; why change it from natives to white people. Me and the 17 year old (Trump lover with a MAGA hat and Trump campaign sign hanging in his bedroom) exchanged knowing glances.

    She's almost there (Clinton voter). The other straw was getting her to read articles from black women calling white women Becky's and the one article from the BLM chick who demanded white people give their assets to black people when we die.

    Getting closer every day to waking her up.

    GOOD FOR YOU! GOOD LUCK. IT’S IMPORTANT.

    We have young daughters too, younger than yours.

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  126. J.Ross says: • Website

    German-owned Scientific American denounces children’s show host Bill Nye’s science credentials, not because Bill Nye is a children’s show host claiming to be a scientific authority, but because he’s attending SotU and therefore committing heresy against the Church of Climate.

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/bill-nye-does-not-speak-for-us-and-he-does-not-speak-for-science/

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  127. Berty says:

    Will Steve be creating a new thread for the SOTU?

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  128. @Tiny Duck
    Wow guess you guys forgot whole genocided who

    It’s hard to keep track of all the “native American” Indian tribes slaughtering other Indians over the centuries, both before and after we arrived in North America.

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  129. @Thomm
    Note that there are far more women freebie seekers than man, and that the men are the ones who, for the most part, look like actual Native Americans.

    But the fact that white women flock to this type of identity is partly due to the low quality of bottom 20% white men (the WN losers). They are the ones who drive white women into non-white identities.

    Another one for the Ignore list…

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  130. donut says:
    @Spartan
    Madison Whitekiller (you can't make this stuff up) appears to be falling down on the job.

    How is he a troll ? I think it’s funny .

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  131. Cortes says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They're posing at their patriarch's wee but and ben.

    http://www.snbba.co.uk/da/kirbister.jpg

    Nor was the rapport with the Orcadians a purely theoretical one, for the visitors, conspicuous in bright red jackets, soon established themselves as familiar and popular figures relaxing the local cafés and passing the time of day with locals on the streets.

    The Orkney telephone directory made for an unlikely but particular source of fascination for the Indians. It contained common instances of such surnames as Flett, Isbister, Drever, Harcus, Linklater, and Rendall. Even the Indians had previously assumed these, widespread in and ostensibly exclusive to their own community, to be First Nation names, and had been unaware of their true origins. Genealogist Alexander Dietz from Saskatoon, who was also in town, confessed that he had not realised the full extent of the connection.

    A group of young dancers danced on the sand at Pierowall in Westray. They were astonished to find themselves stranded on a sandy island, never previously having experienced the tide.

    Most of the dance troupe made a pilgrimage to the ruined cottage at Kirbister where Magnus Twatt had once lived. As Kim continues the story:

    "It was a moving visit. There Terry (Daniels) told me the reality and realisation that he was walking the same ground his ancestors had walked came to him as he had listened to a prayer being given in Cree in Orkney’s St Magnus Cathedral. He knew he belonged in these islands."
     

    A few of those names are on the list of Orcadians who served the Hudson Bay Company up to 1858:

    http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/OKI/canada

    The list apparently covers the area west of the Rockies from California to Alaska.

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  132. OT, but I presume Steve’s aware of the hot new writer that WaPo have just signed, giving a voice to the previously unrepresented view that we should invade the world and invite the world – one Max Boot.

    Who’s the WaPo editor? Surely this is just trolling?

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  133. donut says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Well, here's the thing: there are no indian reservations in Oklahoma.

    “Well, here’s the thing: there are no indian reservations in Oklahoma.”

    https://www.aaanativearts.com/reservations-by-state/oklahoma-indian-reservations

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  134. @Rod1963
    I've known full and half-blooded Indians, these aren't Indians. Some may have 1/10th Indian blood but they aren't Indians.

    Most of them could easily be members of the local Moose Lodge.

    There’s no such thing as 1/10th indian blood. These young folks in the photo are Cherokee. The Cherokee Nation has the say in who is and isn’t Cherokee, not outsiders like you and Elizabeth Warren.

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    Remember that WN losers aren't even white in any attribute of quality like talent, looks, IQ, and morality. They only have shared ancestry from Europe, but in all other ways, they have negro-like dysfunction in their soul.

    That is why they are so jealous of the Cherokee nation.
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  135. They Aren’t Making Cherokees Like They Used to

    Well, jeep whiz.

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  136. @songbird
    I remember one of my elementary school teachers saying something similar. I don't remember it as being particularly political - I was thinking something along the lines of an Englishman might be confused for a Frenchman, a Frenchman for a German. But maybe she really meant something quite radical, and I was just to naive to understand it.

    That sounds sensible enough. What bothered me about this was the implication that appearance gave no information about group membership, and that we were bad people for thinking that it did.

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  137. @syonredux

    This is how it seems to work with these Indo-Europeans. Britain, for instance, is majority Indo-European in the male lines, while the female lines are predominately of Neolithic farmer and hunter gatherer origins.
     
    Britain is mostly Bell-Beaker:

    The Beaker culture is an archaeological culture that existed in the late Copper Age and early Bronze age in western Europe, characterized by a particular style of pottery drinking vessels, but also by developments in copper metallurgy, archery, etc.

    It looks as if the culture – a set of ideas and techniques – originated in Spain and spread widely – but then, some of its spread happened by groups that had adopted that culture expanding.

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.

    This probably happened through war and massacre. If you think otherwise, you reject the historical record – have a fundamentally false notion of human nature.

     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/

    The Bell Beaker Phenomenon distinguishes a culture, not a people per se. It was widespread in Europe among people of differing genetic origins.

    If you, or anyone else, is interested in the current best understanding of the settling of the British Isles, go here: https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/britain_ireland_dna.shtml

    Putting the story together after millenia based on piecemeal evidence is a daunting task, and people seem to want to settle it all, right now, in one quick swipe, while it will be an unfolding process. Understanding will change based on new evidence, which is discovered frequently.

    A for instance would be the genetic study of Britain what was done circa 2004, and was based on mitochondrial DNA only. The author of the study claimed that the bulk of Britons were descended from the people who originally settled there, and that no subsequent invasions had left a significant genetic imprint since. This same study lead to a consensus that there was no great Celtic invasion of the islands, either. Nobody in the scientific community believes that now.

    The first modern humans in the British Isles were Western Hunter Gatherers. The signature Y DNA haplogroup among these aboriginal Britons was the one I bear, I2a. They came from refugia (thought to be in the Balkans) during a glacial minimum. They lived in small bands, and left little evidence of their lives. They were almost wiped out by the Storegga tsunami (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide), which buried Doggerland. Evidence of Mesolithic villages have been found underwater in the French Channel that were likely inhabited up to the event.

    The Middle Eastern Farmers came later, in larger numbers, and brought agriculture and livestock herding with them. They soaked up the WHG’s into their culture and religious practices. These are the people who built Stonehenge and most of the Mesolithic stone circles and monuments.

    The Indo-European invasion was the legendary Celtic invasion itself, though there could have been earlier invasions, on a smaller scale, by the same or different tribes. Evidence does now point to a massive invasion of mostly men. The few women who did come with these men were most probably the wives or companions of high-ranking men, with the bulk of warriors being young single men.

    Since that first study I wrote of, DNA testing and understanding has grown exponentially. It is still growing, and several new studies with ground-breaking results are published every year. Lineages can be traced, and subclades can be placed to some degree of accuracy (which will increase, and change things), so we have a clearer understanding now, and based on more than high-level mitochondrial DNA testing. What the author of the study published was true for the women. Roughly 80% of female genetic lines are from the WHG’s and MEF’s who had inhabited Britain from the Mesolithic. The males, however, were of inverse proportions of Indo-European origin. The replacement rate exceeded 90% in some areas.

    It is easy to assume that the invaders massacred the males, but that may not have been the case. There is no evidence of a warrior culture among the earlier inhabitants, and they didn’t likely put up much of a fight. They were more likely to have been enslaved, rather than killed. The women, of course, became the wives and concubines of the Indo-European men.

    The subclade of R1b known as RL-21 is commonly called “Atlantic Celt,” and men with this haplogroup account for nearly 90% of men in some parts of Ireland, slightly less in the Celtic areas of Scotland, Cornwall, Wales, and Cornwall. England is lower, but still around 70% to 80% Indo-European. You see, all the subsequent invasions of Britain were carried out by different tribes derived from Indo-European invaders. The Anglo-Saxons, Danish and Norwegian Vikings, and the Normans, were primarily men of Indo-European descent, but different subclades of R1b, R1a, and a handfull of other haplogroups. The female lines, in all cases, bears a striking similarity with the tale of Britain, showing evidence of mostly male invasions, with a much smaller genetic footprint left by Indo-European women.

    From what I’ve read so far, the Eastern migrations (primarily R1a) from the steppes seem to have included more women than the Western invasions.

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  138. @Whoever

    Among Cherokee men tested so far, the Indo-European haplogroup R1b is the most common result. This means most of these men are the descendants of European men and Indian women.
     
    I wonder how often that is true for Americans who have native ancestry. With the tribe I am affiliated with, to prove tribal affiliation you have to provide verified documentary evidence going back four generations (DNA tests are not accepted). In my case, this is easy because one of my redskin forebears was an army scout with the 22nd Infantry at Fort Keogh, and we have his military records, including disbursement, as well as recommendation and commendation letters to him signed by Col. Peter T. Swain and Lt. Edward W. Casey.
    (Casey was killed during the Ghost Dance troubles. Col. Swain was in the same West Point class --'52 -- as George Crook. Another branch of my family has a man who served under Crook in California and tried to serve under him during the Civil War, but never got farther east than Nebraska.)
    Some of the surnames in my hairlifter background are Beartusk, Redcherries, Twobulls, Yellownose, Tangledyellowhair, Strangeowl, Whitewolf, Crazymule, Twomoons and Risingsun, but there are also a number of European names as well. Those may be the names of white men who married Indian women, but I suppose they could just as easily be names given to them by whites or that they decided to call themselves.
    Here is a photo of a plains Indian war party plotting an attack on a wagon train:

    https://i.imgur.com/d5Le2JH.jpg

    Well, firstly, Plains Indians are not Cherokee, so we’re talking apples and oranges. R1b is not nearly so common among other major tribes as among Cherokee. And again I state, among those tested. Unless an entire population is tested, the only thing you have is results for your sample group. I don’t know how the tests were administered, nor even what were the goals of the tests.

    There are legends about such things as Jewish Cherokees, who had some European features and culture which was witnessed by Europeans who arrived in the 1700′s. It’s now accepted that these were descendants of Indians among whom the earliest Europeans had lived, and evidently bred with in some cases.

    Eastern bands of Indians have lived with whites a lot longer than Western bands, and many tribes have bred themselves out mixing with whites. The Catawba of South Carolina are a good example. There isn’t a single one who is more than 1/2 native left alive.

    The land where I live was once common hunting grounds for Catawba and Cherokee. The Cherokee stayed West of the Saluda river, and the Catawba stayed East of the Catawba river, and the lands between the rivers were used by both tribes. This was established after the two tribes fought a war, after the Iriquois invaded this part of the country.

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    That isn't true of Catawba. There are still a significant number who are 3/4 and over. The way BIA figures blood quantum makes the degree of indian blood inaccurate because they will classify a Catawba (now a federally recognized tribe) whose lineage includes other tribes as being of low blood quantum because of non-Catawba ancestry from other tribes that are not federally recognized, such as Monacan, Saponi, Meherrin, or other tribes with which Catawba historically traded.

    For that reason "bred themselves out mixing with whites" isn't really the case. The BIA blood quantum system also reduces blood quantum of people whose ancestry doesn't include European, African or Asian ancestors.

    I know Catawba people who have insignificant numbers of European ancestors who are listed as 1/2 or less indian. Bear in mind that in much of South Carolina, there were no official birth certificates issued by government agencies before 1915. When the BIA established their figures on Catawba blood quantum they were able to make up what they liked in order to eventually phase the tribe out of existence (again) on the basis of blood quantum as they have been doing with western tribes since the days of USIS.

    The war you mention included other tribes besides Cherokee and Catawba. Tuscarora were one of those tribes, before the Tuscarora moved to Haudenosaunee territory and became part of that confederacy. The town of Fort Mill is named for a fort built there by Thomas Spratt who traded with Catawba when they lived on both sides of the Catawba
    River.

    There was also controversy over the Nations Ford Road which was the main trade route used by all of the tribes involved. The road crosses the Catawba River and runs north/south through that part of the Carolinas. The Nations Ford was located on Catawba land and before a bridge was built there was important to indians and whites.

    There's a lot more to the story than what is included in government records.
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  139. Cindy says:
    @Isolee
    Here's a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    I am so, so confused.

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  140. IBC says:

    What about a theoretical Cherokee tribal member who looked completely “Indian” but whose ancestry was mostly non-Cherokee: e.g. one “full-blooded” Cherokee grandparent, one Penobscot; one Tlingit; and one Zapotec/Spanish mix? Would such a person have a stronger claim to being a “real” Cherokee than someone whose pedigree included: two grandparents with half “Cherokee” half Scots-Irish ancestry; one grandparent of half “Cherokee” half indeterminate black/white mix; and also a grandparent from Sweden? What’s more important: the “Cherokee” identity or the “Indian?” And to whom?

    Since federally recognized Indian “tribes” are legally semi-sovereign, the nations themselves have the right to at least partly self-define their own membership. And in historical fact, if most of these groups had known that by signing treaties with the US Government their old political identities would be completely extinguished, they never would have signed them. So if we’re talking about fishing rights, or mineral exploitation rights, or legal obligations that the US government once contracted with tribal nations; how important is it if the general appearance of a group today looks the same as it did 160 years ago?

    Now if we’re talking about qualifying for racial quotas, then I agree that it’s highly questionable to include people like Elizabeth Warren or some of these modern-day Cherokee tribal members since race is mostly about appearance and quotas are primarily rationalized on the basis of fighting discrimination by white people against others who don’t look like them. So how are white people supposed to discriminate, if before every prejudiced decision they make, they have to consult with a genealogist?

    I actually think that the notion of there being white or black-looking “Indians,” would be less controversial if more of these people acknowledged their mixed heritage, and (especially in the case of some Eastern tribes/nations) toned down the current simplistic historical narrative of ancestral guilt; victims and perpetrators. On the other hand, any such acknowledgement would probably be used by non-Native political opponents to strip indigenous groups of their special legal status, so it’s no wonder that many choose to downplay the pale-face origins of a good number of their own ancestors.

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    "it’s highly questionable to include people like Elizabeth Warren or some of these modern-day Cherokee tribal members"

    It's disingenuous to include Liz Warren with actual tribal members. Race isn't mostly about appearance. Also, there's the point that tribal enrollment is a matter of nationality as well as race. The subject of racial quotas is an artificial division created by federal legislation.

    I agree with you about the way that people are stripped of property rights by this kind of maneuvering, BTW.
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  141. @Anonymous
    The Ruling Tribe already has America more race obsessed than the Third Reich ever was. And it's just getting in gear. I know very few white people who don't claim some amerind or other ethnic status, and the less Nordic, the better. Can you blame them for adopting these amulets in the (probably vain) hope that they'll be less disadvantaged and/or avoid having their throats cut? SMH as are we all, but this is today's America. And yes, it's Brought to You by the Good Folks of the Ruling Tribe.

    Well, you got me thinking. Perhaps the tribe DID get us feeling this way via movies. I can’t say how far back this goes, but all my life I’ve heard people make claims of having some Cherokee ancestry. I’m 58.
    I was quite surprised to discover this “feeling” of having Indian blood is, if anything, MORE common among blacks than whites in the South. Not a bit more true, however. In spite of the ads you may see on TV with people claiming “36% Native American DNA,” it’s actually pretty rare. Most American whites are entirely European, while most American blacks are around 12% European.

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    I wonder how eager all the GoodWhites would be to claim Amerind ancestry if we simply pointed out that the Amerinds are Asians. (Or, before anyone objects, entirely descended from Asian immigrants.)

    Wait a minute...why aren't they smarter?

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  142. Hibernian says:
    @TWS
    They've been mixing with whites for about eight or more generations. I've seen big blue eyed blond haired guys wearing, 'FBI' (full blooded Indian) shirts for years.

    In Chicago FBI is Full Blooded Irish.

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  143. They Aren’t Making Cherokees Like They Used to

    This is true.

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    40 Grand for that? Looks a bit too much like a Pontiac Aztek.


    Wow, a lot of amerind references here.
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  144. @Seamus Padraig
    All my life it's been a standing joke that whenever somebody says they're part Indian, the tribe they name nearly always seems to be Cherokee. Not Algonquin, not Nez Perce, not Sioux not Commanche nor anything else. Always Cherokee. And I wonder why? Is it that the Cherokee were just more promiscuous than the other tribes? Or is it rather that all these half-Injuns are really just typical white people who can't actually name any tribe other than the Cherokee. What gives?
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    Interesting link, thank you.
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  145. @Saxon
    If no one forced a DNA test, I suppose no one would challenge it. When the term "Hispanic" is used, though, mostly what people think of is some kind of brown mestizo or at the very least off-white looking type like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.

    The thing is that white Americans are very white and most all of them have no actual non-European ancestry, so this only works as long as DNA testing is off the table. Which for the most part it currently is for various reasons. Even with these tribes in America and Canada, no one will test them because the reality is that virtually all of these people have 70-75% European ancestry minimum. Where I grew up a girl really liked to play on her native ancestry which couldn't be more than maybe 5% tops. She had blue eyes, a very northern European face and the only difference between her and everyone else was that she had jet black hair which is the only way you could tell she had any non-northwest European ancestry at all.

    Remember, though, that there can’t be any DNA test for being ‘Hispanic’. It’s an ethnic category, not a racial one. Therefore anybody who’s part of a Hispanic ‘culture’ is de facto Hispanic.

    My own ancestry is 100% Dutch. Parts of the Netherlands (okay, mostly current Belgium, but who can read maps these days?) were ruled by Spain for well over 100 years, spanning the 17th century. I’d say that’s some pretty heavy Hispanic cultural influence, so who’s to say I’m not Hispanic?

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    Sure, but what they really mean colloquially using that term is some sort of Asiatic ancestry which shows up in a DNA test as East Asian/Native American. It's not really the "culture" that most people refer to. It's just being brown and kind of looking like you're from south of the US border.
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  146. Hibernian says:
    @Spud Boy
    At the rate we're going, half the country will be eligible for affirmative action benefits.
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    Somewhere north of 51% already are.

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  147. It means lineal descent from a person on the original list of tribal members.

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    At first glance, "lineal descent from [an] original tribal member" sounds convincing, until a person with actual mathematical skills latches onto the fact that if that "tribal member" was five generations ago [ie. your great-great-great grandfather] from approximately 120-150 years ago, that makes you only 1/32nd tribal blood. Have we regressed to the point where we're enforcing the 21st Century equivalent of the Jim Crow One Drop Rule?
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  148. Big Bill says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They're posing at their patriarch's wee but and ben.

    http://www.snbba.co.uk/da/kirbister.jpg

    Nor was the rapport with the Orcadians a purely theoretical one, for the visitors, conspicuous in bright red jackets, soon established themselves as familiar and popular figures relaxing the local cafés and passing the time of day with locals on the streets.

    The Orkney telephone directory made for an unlikely but particular source of fascination for the Indians. It contained common instances of such surnames as Flett, Isbister, Drever, Harcus, Linklater, and Rendall. Even the Indians had previously assumed these, widespread in and ostensibly exclusive to their own community, to be First Nation names, and had been unaware of their true origins. Genealogist Alexander Dietz from Saskatoon, who was also in town, confessed that he had not realised the full extent of the connection.

    A group of young dancers danced on the sand at Pierowall in Westray. They were astonished to find themselves stranded on a sandy island, never previously having experienced the tide.

    Most of the dance troupe made a pilgrimage to the ruined cottage at Kirbister where Magnus Twatt had once lived. As Kim continues the story:

    "It was a moving visit. There Terry (Daniels) told me the reality and realisation that he was walking the same ground his ancestors had walked came to him as he had listened to a prayer being given in Cree in Orkney’s St Magnus Cathedral. He knew he belonged in these islands."
     

    “Magnus Twatt”.

    What a euphonius appellation.

    I shall borrow it.

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    Twattus Maximus, Commander of the Flanges of the North, General of the Floozy Legions ...
    It's Old Norse, just means a (freshwater) lake or pool, and occurs in that context in Caithness. And by extension in Northern English dialects as (" .. a damp, oozy location").
    Or on IKEA towels, as a washing instruction, but with a Scandy "v", not "w". R.I.P., Ingvar.
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  149. @Isolee
    Here's a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    None of those women look ‘indigenous’ or ‘aboriginal’ to me in the slightest. Do they even know what a didgeridoo is? If placed somewhere in the Outback a hundred miles from the nearest human, during January, where would you place the Over/Under line for days before any of them succumb to heat or dehydration? I’d give ‘em 48 hours, tops. Looks like the classic case of appropriation of Affirmative Action/Minority Set-asides.

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  150. Humbles says:

    Americans are hilarious how everyone wants to believe they are deep-down Native Americans. It’s really a fascinating statement about the relationship America has with Indians.My father believed to the end of his days that he was 1/8 Apache. While he was on his death bed I got my DNA analyzed and surprise surprise! I’m approximately 0% Native American. Never had the heart to tell him. It seemed so important to him.

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    Any excuse...

    An excerpt from Lawrence Block’s “Keller on the Spot” story in the “Hit Man” collection:

    ‘“A mixture of everything,” Keller said, improvising. “My great-grandfather Soderholm came over from Sweden, but my other ancestors came from all over Europe, plus I’m something like a sixteenth American Indian.”
    “Oh? Which tribe?”
    “Cherokee,” Keller said, thinking of the jazz tune.’
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  151. Haha says:

    The Red Indians genocided the original white natives in North America (Clovis culture, Kennewick Man, etc.) History doesn’t repeat but it often rhymes.

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  152. @Grace Jones
    It means lineal descent from a person on the original list of tribal members.

    At first glance, “lineal descent from [an] original tribal member” sounds convincing, until a person with actual mathematical skills latches onto the fact that if that “tribal member” was five generations ago [ie. your great-great-great grandfather] from approximately 120-150 years ago, that makes you only 1/32nd tribal blood. Have we regressed to the point where we’re enforcing the 21st Century equivalent of the Jim Crow One Drop Rule?

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  153. @Expletive Deleted
    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They're posing at their patriarch's wee but and ben.

    http://www.snbba.co.uk/da/kirbister.jpg

    Nor was the rapport with the Orcadians a purely theoretical one, for the visitors, conspicuous in bright red jackets, soon established themselves as familiar and popular figures relaxing the local cafés and passing the time of day with locals on the streets.

    The Orkney telephone directory made for an unlikely but particular source of fascination for the Indians. It contained common instances of such surnames as Flett, Isbister, Drever, Harcus, Linklater, and Rendall. Even the Indians had previously assumed these, widespread in and ostensibly exclusive to their own community, to be First Nation names, and had been unaware of their true origins. Genealogist Alexander Dietz from Saskatoon, who was also in town, confessed that he had not realised the full extent of the connection.

    A group of young dancers danced on the sand at Pierowall in Westray. They were astonished to find themselves stranded on a sandy island, never previously having experienced the tide.

    Most of the dance troupe made a pilgrimage to the ruined cottage at Kirbister where Magnus Twatt had once lived. As Kim continues the story:

    "It was a moving visit. There Terry (Daniels) told me the reality and realisation that he was walking the same ground his ancestors had walked came to him as he had listened to a prayer being given in Cree in Orkney’s St Magnus Cathedral. He knew he belonged in these islands."
     

    I’m still puzzling over the “sandy island”.
    I can only suppose they got temporarily stranded on one of the small sandbanks going round to Gill Pier. Most of Westray’s accessible coast apart from Pierowall and maybe Rapness is horribly dangerous to even wade in, due to the rip and the cold. You get orcas flopping their fins over yards from the beach on the far side of the golf course at Noltland as a bonus. The rest is terrifying cliffs.

    Yes, genuine official links golf course, but I think the balls would have to be made of lead, to counter the wind hazard. And the rabbit holes out on the rough towards the sea are a nightmare.

    http://scottishgolfcourses-allofthem.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/westray-gc-course-no-331.html

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    That's a fantastic blog, documenting his attempt to play every course in Scotland. I'm just sorry there are no entries for the 225 courses he'd already played before he decided to have a crack at the other 400-odd.
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  154. @Travis
    due to the overwhelming number of hispanics applying for affirmative action loans in New York City , they now require applicants must include a birth certificate of a parent or Grandparent to prove they are "hispanic" and qualify for the subsidized loans.

    If millions of whites started to claim hispanic heritage more institutions would start to require further proof of hispanic credentials...Will be interesting if the children of Ted Cruz qualify for affirmative action...The New York Times stated that Ted Cruz was one of the few Non-Whites in the Senate last year..strange that the children of Ted Cruz can claim to be hispanic, when 3 of their 4 grandparents were not Spanish...and 7 of their 8 great grandparents were born in Europe. If we have the one drop rule to determine ones Spanish ethnicity we may see 80% of high school graduates will qualify in 10 years time.

    No way institutions demanding that you could only qualify as “Hispanic” if you could prove one grandparent born in a Hispanic country would fly. Eventually, it would begin disqualifying a lot of Conquistador Americans who are Hispanic “leaders.”

    Blacks don’t have to prove that they had a slave for an ancestor.

    Also, why couldn’t I just claim that my grandfather was an illegal who “came with the shirt on his back and now you want to discriminate against me people again.”

    I just saying that this spoils system that we have right now only lasts as long as whites feel enough guilt to not play the system. Maybe that will last forever. But it’s just as likely that enough whites start to game the system that it starts to collapse. At that point, there would have to be genetic testing and that’s when whites will not be able to ignore that apartheid world that they live in.

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    New York State already has this requirement....below are links describing the requirement for a birth certificate to prove hispanic heritage in New York to qualify for minority business loans
    http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/sbs/downloads/pdf/businesses/certification/mwbe-application.pdf

    https://www.thenewyorkworld.com/blog/hispanic-entrepreneurs-balk-at-city-demand-for-proof-of-ethnicity/
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  155. Ivy says:
    @eah
    http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201501_2154_bghce_sm.jpg

    Boohoo and Wahoo, now we need that Meyer gal for Yahoo,and they can all toast with a YooHoo.

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  156. Escher says:

    Dang, that looks like the Partridge family, with a couple of their Mexican neighbors.

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  157. Cortes says:
    @Humbles
    Americans are hilarious how everyone wants to believe they are deep-down Native Americans. It's really a fascinating statement about the relationship America has with Indians.My father believed to the end of his days that he was 1/8 Apache. While he was on his death bed I got my DNA analyzed and surprise surprise! I'm approximately 0% Native American. Never had the heart to tell him. It seemed so important to him.

    Any excuse…

    An excerpt from Lawrence Block’s “Keller on the Spot” story in the “Hit Man” collection:

    ‘“A mixture of everything,” Keller said, improvising. “My great-grandfather Soderholm came over from Sweden, but my other ancestors came from all over Europe, plus I’m something like a sixteenth American Indian.”
    “Oh? Which tribe?”
    “Cherokee,” Keller said, thinking of the jazz tune.’

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    https://youtu.be/Pvrx64hogtc
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  158. @ScarletNumber
    I was disappointed that most of them have traditional European names such as Alexa, Olivia, and Katelyn. However, and I swear I am not making this up, the one on the bottom right is named Madison Whitekiller.

    … and I swear I am not making this up, the one on the bottom right is named Madison Whitekiller.

    Scarlet, that name is hilarious on many levels!

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    Yes. Madison is one of our founding fathers, yet an Indian family chooses it as a first name for their daughter, who has a traditional Indian last name.
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  159. @Travis
    due to the overwhelming number of hispanics applying for affirmative action loans in New York City , they now require applicants must include a birth certificate of a parent or Grandparent to prove they are "hispanic" and qualify for the subsidized loans.

    If millions of whites started to claim hispanic heritage more institutions would start to require further proof of hispanic credentials...Will be interesting if the children of Ted Cruz qualify for affirmative action...The New York Times stated that Ted Cruz was one of the few Non-Whites in the Senate last year..strange that the children of Ted Cruz can claim to be hispanic, when 3 of their 4 grandparents were not Spanish...and 7 of their 8 great grandparents were born in Europe. If we have the one drop rule to determine ones Spanish ethnicity we may see 80% of high school graduates will qualify in 10 years time.

    I have three first cousins with the surname “Sonia;” they’re all Dead White. Uncle Raymondo [he was just Ray to us] was from PR. So I have two second cousins – my cousin’s daughters – also Dead White bearing the name “Sonia.” One got into, and graduated from, Harvard. She did it the old-fashioned way – very hard work, but had she applied as an “Hispanic” her GPA probably could have been half a point lower. None of these five people look Puerto Rican or speak Spanish and don’t know a taco from an enchelada. Yet they could all check the “Hispanic” box on the US Census.

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  160. @Big Bill
    "Magnus Twatt".

    What a euphonius appellation.

    I shall borrow it.

    Twattus Maximus, Commander of the Flanges of the North, General of the Floozy Legions …
    It’s Old Norse, just means a (freshwater) lake or pool, and occurs in that context in Caithness. And by extension in Northern English dialects as (” .. a damp, oozy location”).
    Or on IKEA towels, as a washing instruction, but with a Scandy “v”, not “w”. R.I.P., Ingvar.

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  161. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I got to know a Cherokee woman (not one of these 95% white Fauxahontas Warren types) who hailed from Oklahoma back when I was in college: squat, reddish-brown skin, high cheekbones, the whole nine yards. Ironically, she was fairly conservative in her personality and beliefs and never mentioned any of the ‘you owe us/hate whitey’ BS and other garbage that libtard whites marinate themselves in. Makes you wonder how many actual Indians actually believe the left’s nonsense or whether they’d prefer like everyone else on the planet that these idiots just f*ck off and leave everyone be.

    I have a feeling that the Warren types feel compelled to go the extra mile in trying to cast off their whiteness to demonstrate their ‘Indian-ness’.

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    The Cherokee tribal government has been pretty stand-on-your-own-two-feet for quite a while; they aren't looking for a handout, and the gambling money the tribe makes from its one casino gets plowed back into the tribe.

    Anecdata: my Cherokee spouse's immediate relatives are about evenly split between big-government Democrats and rock-ribbed Republicans who voted for Reagan.
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  162. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @james wilson
    There hasn't been a full blooded east coast Indian for two hundred years. Very different story in the west. I suspect that they didn't much resemble each other even back in the days of Miles Standish and John Smith though. Descriptions of some tribes more than others had them possessing European characteristics.

    The Long Island “Indians” (Poospatuck, Shinnecock) are almost entirely black.

    The only Indians I have seen at this end of the country who appeared to be full-blooded were members of a tribe that had a big reservation (Tuscarora?) in the area of Akron, western NY state (Buffalo region). Big, stout-looking people, with fairly dark red skin. Some of the men wore their hair in braids.

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    anon, Reservation near Akron, NY is Seneca. Tuscarora res is near Niagara Falls.
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  163. cthulhu says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Not so many WASPS, but lots of Scots/Irish people are also Cherokee. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment, but dies require documentation proving unbroken genealogical record of descendancy.

    Liz Warren falsely claims to be Cherokee and she's a real leftard moonbat, but it doesn't automatically follow that there are no actual Cherokee who look like pure white people.

    Not so many WASPS, but lots of Scots/Irish people are also Cherokee. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment, but dies require documentation proving unbroken genealogical record of descendancy.

    Yup. The Cherokee embraced the whites early (pun partially intended). My blonde, green-eyed spouse is a great-to-the-fifth grandchild of Cherokee chief John Ross (himself nowhere near full-blood), who was chief during the Trail of Tears and for decades afterwards, but when she applied for official tribal membership, she had to submit extensive paperwork documenting her ancestry. There’s no financial advantage to it, but she wanted to do it because it had been a part of her heritage as long as she can remember.

    I, on the other hand, am 100% American horsethief :-)

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    Right on. Y'all Horsethieves are a fierce tribe. ;-)
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  164. @Alden
    She’s pure European. But one of her husband’s grandmothers was Eskimo. So her children are part Eskimo

    Aren’t we all, darlin’?

    Robert, who had learned to speak Inuktitut while living in Fort Chimo, in northern Quebec, never returned to Canada and died in Glasgow in 1909 aged 44, never seeing his family again. His brother, however, also married into an indigenous family and managed to stay. The Grey sisters say they now plan to visit Scotland to find the grave of their great-great grandfather – while earlier this month, the pair met around 100 of Robert and William Gray’s descendants at a Canada Day family reunion in Alberta.

    an Orkney man forced to abandon his Inuit family by his Canadian employer, which sent him home to Scotland in disgrace for being “too familiar” with locals.

    Kind of unfair to blame the Leafs for this, as even as late as 1909 “Canada” was merely a geographical expression.

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/inuit-descendants-reclaim-scot-sent-home-for-being-too-familiar-1-4505187

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  165. cthulhu says:
    @Anonymous
    I got to know a Cherokee woman (not one of these 95% white Fauxahontas Warren types) who hailed from Oklahoma back when I was in college: squat, reddish-brown skin, high cheekbones, the whole nine yards. Ironically, she was fairly conservative in her personality and beliefs and never mentioned any of the 'you owe us/hate whitey' BS and other garbage that libtard whites marinate themselves in. Makes you wonder how many actual Indians actually believe the left's nonsense or whether they'd prefer like everyone else on the planet that these idiots just f*ck off and leave everyone be.

    I have a feeling that the Warren types feel compelled to go the extra mile in trying to cast off their whiteness to demonstrate their 'Indian-ness'.

    The Cherokee tribal government has been pretty stand-on-your-own-two-feet for quite a while; they aren’t looking for a handout, and the gambling money the tribe makes from its one casino gets plowed back into the tribe.

    Anecdata: my Cherokee spouse’s immediate relatives are about evenly split between big-government Democrats and rock-ribbed Republicans who voted for Reagan.

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  166. @ScarletNumber
    Those are some good looking squaws.

    Scarlet, the Buffalo Common Council, apply named, renamed a small island in the Niagara River, Unity Island. It had previously been named Squaw Island. An activist convinced them that squaw was an Indian slur and meant c**t. Sigh, twenty four years of working with Indians and I never heard that.

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    Once upon a time, when a men's athletic team was called the Indians, its women's counterpart was sometimes called the Squaws. I know of at least one college where this was true but then they changed the name to Bearcats or something generic. Jourdanton High School in Texas still calls its girls' teams the Squaws.
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  167. @anon
    The Long Island "Indians" (Poospatuck, Shinnecock) are almost entirely black.

    The only Indians I have seen at this end of the country who appeared to be full-blooded were members of a tribe that had a big reservation (Tuscarora?) in the area of Akron, western NY state (Buffalo region). Big, stout-looking people, with fairly dark red skin. Some of the men wore their hair in braids.

    anon, Reservation near Akron, NY is Seneca. Tuscarora res is near Niagara Falls.

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  168. Sad really. As someone said recently, “before the whiteman came, it was casinos as far as the eye could see”

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  169. Thomm says:
    @Twodees Partain
    There's no such thing as 1/10th indian blood. These young folks in the photo are Cherokee. The Cherokee Nation has the say in who is and isn't Cherokee, not outsiders like you and Elizabeth Warren.

    Remember that WN losers aren’t even white in any attribute of quality like talent, looks, IQ, and morality. They only have shared ancestry from Europe, but in all other ways, they have negro-like dysfunction in their soul.

    That is why they are so jealous of the Cherokee nation.

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    We have a new Duck I see.
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  170. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    They Aren't Making Cherokees Like They Used to
     
    This is true.

    http://www.sherry4x4.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2015-Jeep-Cherokee-Trailhawk-27163T-9.jpg

    40 Grand for that? Looks a bit too much like a Pontiac Aztek.

    Wow, a lot of amerind references here.

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  171. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter
    Well, you got me thinking. Perhaps the tribe DID get us feeling this way via movies. I can't say how far back this goes, but all my life I've heard people make claims of having some Cherokee ancestry. I'm 58.
    I was quite surprised to discover this "feeling" of having Indian blood is, if anything, MORE common among blacks than whites in the South. Not a bit more true, however. In spite of the ads you may see on TV with people claiming "36% Native American DNA," it's actually pretty rare. Most American whites are entirely European, while most American blacks are around 12% European.

    I wonder how eager all the GoodWhites would be to claim Amerind ancestry if we simply pointed out that the Amerinds are Asians. (Or, before anyone objects, entirely descended from Asian immigrants.)

    Wait a minute…why aren’t they smarter?

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    There's not much difference in how a Chinese or a Chinook handles firewater.
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    @Anonymous
    I wonder how eager all the GoodWhites would be to claim Amerind ancestry if we simply pointed out that the Amerinds are Asians. (Or, before anyone objects, entirely descended from Asian immigrants.)

    Wait a minute...why aren't they smarter?

    There’s not much difference in how a Chinese or a Chinook handles firewater.

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  173. @Buffalo Joe
    Scarlet, the Buffalo Common Council, apply named, renamed a small island in the Niagara River, Unity Island. It had previously been named Squaw Island. An activist convinced them that squaw was an Indian slur and meant c**t. Sigh, twenty four years of working with Indians and I never heard that.

    Once upon a time, when a men’s athletic team was called the Indians, its women’s counterpart was sometimes called the Squaws. I know of at least one college where this was true but then they changed the name to Bearcats or something generic. Jourdanton High School in Texas still calls its girls’ teams the Squaws.

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    Scarlet, they missed a chance to call them the Beavers.
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  174. @Achmed E. Newman

    ... and I swear I am not making this up, the one on the bottom right is named Madison Whitekiller.
     
    Scarlet, that name is hilarious on many levels!

    Yes. Madison is one of our founding fathers, yet an Indian family chooses it as a first name for their daughter, who has a traditional Indian last name.

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  175. Saxon says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    Remember, though, that there can't be any DNA test for being 'Hispanic'. It's an ethnic category, not a racial one. Therefore anybody who's part of a Hispanic 'culture' is de facto Hispanic.

    My own ancestry is 100% Dutch. Parts of the Netherlands (okay, mostly current Belgium, but who can read maps these days?) were ruled by Spain for well over 100 years, spanning the 17th century. I'd say that's some pretty heavy Hispanic cultural influence, so who's to say I'm not Hispanic?

    Sure, but what they really mean colloquially using that term is some sort of Asiatic ancestry which shows up in a DNA test as East Asian/Native American. It’s not really the “culture” that most people refer to. It’s just being brown and kind of looking like you’re from south of the US border.

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  176. eah says:
    @eah
    http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201501_2154_bghce_sm.jpg

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  177. @Seth Largo
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribes

    Interesting link, thank you.

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  178. Bliss says:

    Melania Trump looks more cherokee than these women.

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  179. @Expletive Deleted
    I'm still puzzling over the "sandy island".
    I can only suppose they got temporarily stranded on one of the small sandbanks going round to Gill Pier. Most of Westray's accessible coast apart from Pierowall and maybe Rapness is horribly dangerous to even wade in, due to the rip and the cold. You get orcas flopping their fins over yards from the beach on the far side of the golf course at Noltland as a bonus. The rest is terrifying cliffs.

    Yes, genuine official links golf course, but I think the balls would have to be made of lead, to counter the wind hazard. And the rabbit holes out on the rough towards the sea are a nightmare.
    http://scottishgolfcourses-allofthem.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/westray-gc-course-no-331.html

    That’s a fantastic blog, documenting his attempt to play every course in Scotland. I’m just sorry there are no entries for the 225 courses he’d already played before he decided to have a crack at the other 400-odd.

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  180. Bliss says:
    @Isolee
    Here's a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    Here’s a graduating class of Aboriginal Australian doctors (scroll to end). Each was the recipient of a scholarship.

    https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/students/record-number-indigenous-doctors-graduate-unsw

    This is funny and sad at the same time.

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  181. @Thomm
    Remember that WN losers aren't even white in any attribute of quality like talent, looks, IQ, and morality. They only have shared ancestry from Europe, but in all other ways, they have negro-like dysfunction in their soul.

    That is why they are so jealous of the Cherokee nation.

    We have a new Duck I see.

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  182. JAX says:

    Vox Day is a white guy who pretends to be a red Indian.

    Adopting another race was standard virtual signaling in the Age of Obama (the Trannie epoch.) Many white conservatives literally adopted pet negros to prove their non-racism.

    Pretty embarrassing in the age of MAGA.

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  183. Ain’t ignoring ye. Just keeping it down, because a realistic assessment of (“what in the holy hail wuz goin’ on up there?”) would critically stress the servers of the genealogy hobbyists.

    Went both ways, despite the HBC fatwa on the ‘country wives’ ever getting back to Calvinistan. The Gaelic Scots were the absolute worst. Being of recently-exiled yet infinitely noble and ancient warrior kin, they would spurn their (defeated at Culloden/Aughrim) families and get over to Tir Nan Craoibh.

    There they rubbed up inauspiciously with the northern leagues of the 1st Nations. People almost exactly comparable with their prior mode of life East-Over-Sea. People who knew the score. And the respect was reciprocated.

    So, weirdly, the ex-tacksmen, kerns and gall-oglais did not lust after your milky Quaker farmgirl, nor yet your sly and foxy Francine. Could not even speak to them, apart from a rare Bretonne and her Basque cousine, if the first girl would be so good as to set it (the speech) over.

    What they did recognise, and was acknowledged by their arse-blanketed, long-sworded junior clansmen, was Dominion Over Territory.

    Therefore a great many solemn and binding marriages were contracted, between these heavily-armed, interminably-lineaged celtic gentlemen and local “princesses” (starts with fat, ginger, tough-as-fuck Cap’n Smiff, English to the max, but the best of our kind).

    Above the 45th, it was wild. Who the hell would look at some miserable, protestant, Sassunaich Noo Ingland descendant of literal serfs, when a bright and bonny chief’s daughter was in play? They were, local and Easterner alike, bound by one eternal thought; “our mortal enemies wear red coats“.

    The Hudson Bay wifes that did slip through the Company net did not thrive in Orkney, for all that their neighbour wifes (and now kin!) cajoled them with tea, and Jesus, and knitting circles, and the mickle sangs, and talk of picture postcards from Edinburgh.
    The poor lasses just sat on their hunkers at the mid o the hoose by the fire, and would not shift. Waiting for their man to get back from Churchill.
    I think two brothers from those mothers were great blacksmiths in Stromness, but I do not know what happened after.

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  184. Sean says:
    @Alden
    She’s pure European. But one of her husband’s grandmothers was Eskimo. So her children are part Eskimo

    Well to me she doesn’t look 100% non Native American ancestry. But then quite a lot of Americans look that way to me.

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  185. @ScarletNumber
    Once upon a time, when a men's athletic team was called the Indians, its women's counterpart was sometimes called the Squaws. I know of at least one college where this was true but then they changed the name to Bearcats or something generic. Jourdanton High School in Texas still calls its girls' teams the Squaws.

    Scarlet, they missed a chance to call them the Beavers.

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    Beaver College changed its name to Arcadia University in 2001.

    Oregon State uses the beaver mascot for both its men's and women's teams.
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  186. Travis says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    No way institutions demanding that you could only qualify as "Hispanic" if you could prove one grandparent born in a Hispanic country would fly. Eventually, it would begin disqualifying a lot of Conquistador Americans who are Hispanic "leaders."

    Blacks don't have to prove that they had a slave for an ancestor.

    Also, why couldn't I just claim that my grandfather was an illegal who "came with the shirt on his back and now you want to discriminate against me people again."

    I just saying that this spoils system that we have right now only lasts as long as whites feel enough guilt to not play the system. Maybe that will last forever. But it's just as likely that enough whites start to game the system that it starts to collapse. At that point, there would have to be genetic testing and that's when whites will not be able to ignore that apartheid world that they live in.

    New York State already has this requirement….below are links describing the requirement for a birth certificate to prove hispanic heritage in New York to qualify for minority business loans

    http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/sbs/downloads/pdf/businesses/certification/mwbe-application.pdf

    https://www.thenewyorkworld.com/blog/hispanic-entrepreneurs-balk-at-city-demand-for-proof-of-ethnicity/

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  187. @Buffalo Joe
    Scarlet, they missed a chance to call them the Beavers.

    Beaver College changed its name to Arcadia University in 2001.

    Oregon State uses the beaver mascot for both its men’s and women’s teams.

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  188. Lurker says:
    @Thomm

    F off troll.
     
    Make me.

    It is funny when a loser from the aforementioned group voluntarily self-identifies and displays his impotent loserdom (as Lurker has done).

    Heh heh heh heh

    Yes, I know what you’re doing. It’s feeble.

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  189. @RebelWriter
    Well, firstly, Plains Indians are not Cherokee, so we're talking apples and oranges. R1b is not nearly so common among other major tribes as among Cherokee. And again I state, among those tested. Unless an entire population is tested, the only thing you have is results for your sample group. I don't know how the tests were administered, nor even what were the goals of the tests.

    There are legends about such things as Jewish Cherokees, who had some European features and culture which was witnessed by Europeans who arrived in the 1700's. It's now accepted that these were descendants of Indians among whom the earliest Europeans had lived, and evidently bred with in some cases.

    Eastern bands of Indians have lived with whites a lot longer than Western bands, and many tribes have bred themselves out mixing with whites. The Catawba of South Carolina are a good example. There isn't a single one who is more than 1/2 native left alive.

    The land where I live was once common hunting grounds for Catawba and Cherokee. The Cherokee stayed West of the Saluda river, and the Catawba stayed East of the Catawba river, and the lands between the rivers were used by both tribes. This was established after the two tribes fought a war, after the Iriquois invaded this part of the country.

    That isn’t true of Catawba. There are still a significant number who are 3/4 and over. The way BIA figures blood quantum makes the degree of indian blood inaccurate because they will classify a Catawba (now a federally recognized tribe) whose lineage includes other tribes as being of low blood quantum because of non-Catawba ancestry from other tribes that are not federally recognized, such as Monacan, Saponi, Meherrin, or other tribes with which Catawba historically traded.

    For that reason “bred themselves out mixing with whites” isn’t really the case. The BIA blood quantum system also reduces blood quantum of people whose ancestry doesn’t include European, African or Asian ancestors.

    I know Catawba people who have insignificant numbers of European ancestors who are listed as 1/2 or less indian. Bear in mind that in much of South Carolina, there were no official birth certificates issued by government agencies before 1915. When the BIA established their figures on Catawba blood quantum they were able to make up what they liked in order to eventually phase the tribe out of existence (again) on the basis of blood quantum as they have been doing with western tribes since the days of USIS.

    The war you mention included other tribes besides Cherokee and Catawba. Tuscarora were one of those tribes, before the Tuscarora moved to Haudenosaunee territory and became part of that confederacy. The town of Fort Mill is named for a fort built there by Thomas Spratt who traded with Catawba when they lived on both sides of the Catawba
    River.

    There was also controversy over the Nations Ford Road which was the main trade route used by all of the tribes involved. The road crosses the Catawba River and runs north/south through that part of the Carolinas. The Nations Ford was located on Catawba land and before a bridge was built there was important to indians and whites.

    There’s a lot more to the story than what is included in government records.

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  190. @IBC
    What about a theoretical Cherokee tribal member who looked completely "Indian" but whose ancestry was mostly non-Cherokee: e.g. one "full-blooded" Cherokee grandparent, one Penobscot; one Tlingit; and one Zapotec/Spanish mix? Would such a person have a stronger claim to being a "real" Cherokee than someone whose pedigree included: two grandparents with half "Cherokee" half Scots-Irish ancestry; one grandparent of half "Cherokee" half indeterminate black/white mix; and also a grandparent from Sweden? What's more important: the "Cherokee" identity or the "Indian?" And to whom?

    Since federally recognized Indian "tribes" are legally semi-sovereign, the nations themselves have the right to at least partly self-define their own membership. And in historical fact, if most of these groups had known that by signing treaties with the US Government their old political identities would be completely extinguished, they never would have signed them. So if we're talking about fishing rights, or mineral exploitation rights, or legal obligations that the US government once contracted with tribal nations; how important is it if the general appearance of a group today looks the same as it did 160 years ago?

    Now if we're talking about qualifying for racial quotas, then I agree that it's highly questionable to include people like Elizabeth Warren or some of these modern-day Cherokee tribal members since race is mostly about appearance and quotas are primarily rationalized on the basis of fighting discrimination by white people against others who don't look like them. So how are white people supposed to discriminate, if before every prejudiced decision they make, they have to consult with a genealogist?

    I actually think that the notion of there being white or black-looking "Indians," would be less controversial if more of these people acknowledged their mixed heritage, and (especially in the case of some Eastern tribes/nations) toned down the current simplistic historical narrative of ancestral guilt; victims and perpetrators. On the other hand, any such acknowledgement would probably be used by non-Native political opponents to strip indigenous groups of their special legal status, so it's no wonder that many choose to downplay the pale-face origins of a good number of their own ancestors.

    “it’s highly questionable to include people like Elizabeth Warren or some of these modern-day Cherokee tribal members”

    It’s disingenuous to include Liz Warren with actual tribal members. Race isn’t mostly about appearance. Also, there’s the point that tribal enrollment is a matter of nationality as well as race. The subject of racial quotas is an artificial division created by federal legislation.

    I agree with you about the way that people are stripped of property rights by this kind of maneuvering, BTW.

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  191. @cthulhu


    Not so many WASPS, but lots of Scots/Irish people are also Cherokee. Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum requirement for enrollment, but dies require documentation proving unbroken genealogical record of descendancy.

     

    Yup. The Cherokee embraced the whites early (pun partially intended). My blonde, green-eyed spouse is a great-to-the-fifth grandchild of Cherokee chief John Ross (himself nowhere near full-blood), who was chief during the Trail of Tears and for decades afterwards, but when she applied for official tribal membership, she had to submit extensive paperwork documenting her ancestry. There's no financial advantage to it, but she wanted to do it because it had been a part of her heritage as long as she can remember.

    I, on the other hand, am 100% American horsethief :-)

    Right on. Y’all Horsethieves are a fierce tribe. ;-)

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  192. Ganderson says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Here's a good song about Cherokees. Anybody remember this song?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ixwIaN7qw

    Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe. So proud to live, so proud to die.

     

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  193. Ganderson says:
    @Cortes
    Any excuse...

    An excerpt from Lawrence Block’s “Keller on the Spot” story in the “Hit Man” collection:

    ‘“A mixture of everything,” Keller said, improvising. “My great-grandfather Soderholm came over from Sweden, but my other ancestors came from all over Europe, plus I’m something like a sixteenth American Indian.”
    “Oh? Which tribe?”
    “Cherokee,” Keller said, thinking of the jazz tune.’

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  194. Gringo says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They're posing at their patriarch's wee but and ben.

    http://www.snbba.co.uk/da/kirbister.jpg

    Nor was the rapport with the Orcadians a purely theoretical one, for the visitors, conspicuous in bright red jackets, soon established themselves as familiar and popular figures relaxing the local cafés and passing the time of day with locals on the streets.

    The Orkney telephone directory made for an unlikely but particular source of fascination for the Indians. It contained common instances of such surnames as Flett, Isbister, Drever, Harcus, Linklater, and Rendall. Even the Indians had previously assumed these, widespread in and ostensibly exclusive to their own community, to be First Nation names, and had been unaware of their true origins. Genealogist Alexander Dietz from Saskatoon, who was also in town, confessed that he had not realised the full extent of the connection.

    A group of young dancers danced on the sand at Pierowall in Westray. They were astonished to find themselves stranded on a sandy island, never previously having experienced the tide.

    Most of the dance troupe made a pilgrimage to the ruined cottage at Kirbister where Magnus Twatt had once lived. As Kim continues the story:

    "It was a moving visit. There Terry (Daniels) told me the reality and realisation that he was walking the same ground his ancestors had walked came to him as he had listened to a prayer being given in Cree in Orkney’s St Magnus Cathedral. He knew he belonged in these islands."
     

    On occasion, True Scotsmen make a pilgrimage back to their native islands. Now tell me that none of these fine people would be welcome as tall, dark and handsome First Footers at Hogmanay? Unlike those ginger Cherokees.
    They’re posing at their patriarch’s wee but and ben.

    My mother’s brothers married women who were 1/8 Indian/First Nation/Native American. One of my 1/8 Indian aunts- whose Euro ancestors were predominantly Scots Irish- made a trip to Europe. She told me that in her visit to Scotland, she felt as if she were home.

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  195. @donut
    "Well, here’s the thing: there are no indian reservations in Oklahoma."

    https://www.aaanativearts.com/reservations-by-state/oklahoma-indian-reservations

    There’s nothing at that link. It’s a 404.

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    A little late for me to respond but you're right bad link and no reservations in Ok. Funny thing when I googled it the site came up but as you say it's a bad link when I tried to post it .
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  196. donut says:
    @Twodees Partain
    There's nothing at that link. It's a 404.

    A little late for me to respond but you’re right bad link and no reservations in Ok. Funny thing when I googled it the site came up but as you say it’s a bad link when I tried to post it .

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