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From the Guardian on Theresa May’s really, really dumb initiative:

Audit lays bare racial disparities in UK schools, courts and workplaces

Government study finds regional variation, and separate research suggests minority ethnic women hardest hit by austerity

May’s project, which she launched soon after taking office, brings together government statistics covering ethnic breakdowns in 130 areas across health, education, housing, employment and criminal justice.

Other findings, which include known data presented in a new manner alongside unpublished information in 24 areas, are:

- Black Caribbean pupils are permanently excluded from school at three times the rate of white British pupils – triggering a Department for Education review.

- Almost nine out of 10 white Gypsy and Roma children do not reach the expected standard for reading, writing and maths at 11.

- 9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).

- Black men are more likely to be found guilty at crown court, with 112 sentenced to custody for every 100 white men.

- The data goes beyond breaking down figures by colour, delving into differences between a variety of ethnic groups. Chinese pupils excelled at primary school, with 71% reaching the expected standard for reading, writing and maths, compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils, 51% of black children, and 13% of white Gypsy and Traveller children.

The Prime Minister said:

“People who have lived with discrimination don’t need a government audit to make them aware of the scale of the challenge. But this audit means that for society as a whole – for government, for our public services – there is nowhere to hide. These issues are now out in the open. And the message is very simple: if these disparities cannot be explained then they must be changed.”

And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.

So bring on the affirmative action.

 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Theresa May’s Ratchet

    Oh no you d’int!!

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    • Replies: @Neoconned
    What did Harvey Weinstein do to get this wrath dropped on his head.

    This is like when an army ant is injured......

    The other ants turn and cannibalize it. I'm curious though....why is every one throwing him into the fire.....this is some kinda power play
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  2. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

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    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Why should I be interested in countering Islam?
    , @Anonymous
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4411913/just-one-in-five-muslims-are-in-work-as-report-finds-they-are-held-back-by-racism/
    , @Chiron
    That’s why London has a Muslim mayor? Cuckservatives won’t save anyone from Dieversity
    , @englishmike

    Why is Theresa May pretending that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’?
    Douglas Murray The Spectator 30 September 2014

    From her speech to the Tory Party, quoted by Murray:
    ‘This hateful ideology has nothing to do with Islam itself. And it is rejected by the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Britain and around the world. The Quran says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other.” It says: “let there be no compulsion in religion.” So let the message go out from this hall that the extremists will never succeed in dividing us. Let the message go out that we know Islam is a religion of peace and it has nothing to do with the ideology of our enemies.’

     


    UK Home Secretary: Paris Attacks ‘Have Nothing To Do With Islam’
    by Breitbart London 16 Nov 2015

    The Home Secretary Theresa May has said the attacks in Paris, “have nothing to do with Islam”. She said Islam was peaceful, whilst explaining that “appropriate security measures” will need to be taken at the England France football match tomorrow.

    The Home Secretary was giving a speech to the House of Commons, just three days after eight terrorists, taking orders from the Islam State, murdered 129 people in Paris whilst screaming “Allah-hu Akbar”. Her closing words were:
    “British Muslims and indeed Muslims worldwide have said very clearly these events are abhorrent.
    “The attacks have nothing to do with Islam which is followed peacefully by millions of people around the world.
    “The terrorists seek to divide us and to destroy our way of life but theirs is an empty, perverted and murderous ideology.
    “They represent no one and they will fail.
    “France grieves but she does not grieve alone. People of all faiths, of all nationalities and all backgrounds are with you. And together we will defeat them.”

    The Home Secretary confirmed funding will be provided for an extra 1,900 officers at MI5, MI6 and GCHQ to “better respond to the threats we face from global terrorism”.

    She also described the government’s new Investigatory Powers Bill—which has been described by opponents as the ‘snooper’s charter’—as a piece of “landmark legislation”, adding: “The police and intelligence and security agencies do an incredible job to keep this country safe”.
     

    'He was chanting Islamic prayers loudly in the street': Neighbours of British-born suicide bomber - a keen Manchester United fan and son of airport security worker - tell of his 'strange behaviour' in the weeks before deadly attack

    Manchester Arena concert suicide bomber has been named as Salman Abedi 
    Mail Online 24 May 2017

    -Terrorist was killed in the blast as he murdered 22 after Ariana Grande concert
    -Raids on address believed to be Abedi's, where controlled explosion took place, and his brother -Ismail's address, where police arrested a 23-year-old man
    -Neighbours described Abedi as an abrasive, tall, skinny young man who was little known in the neighbourhood, and often seen in traditional Islamic clothing 
    -ISIS claimed today that one of its fanatics was responsible for the massacre
    -The ranting message threatened further attacks on 'worshippers of the Cross' 
     

    UK: Manchester jihad mass murderer was “chanting Islamic prayers loudly in the street” in weeks before massacre
    JihadWatch May 23, 2017 By Robert Spencer
    “The 22-year-old British-born attacker was heard ‘chanting Islamic prayers loudly in the street’ outside his home in the south of the city.”
    Not that anyone reported him. That would have been “Islamophobic.”
     
    , @L Woods
    "Countering Islam" only to preserve a paradigm of diversity "audits" is hardly very compelling.
    , @notanon

    Theresa May is good on countering Islam.
     
    total opposite of the truth.

    the only counter to Islam is immigration control and she is a typical "conservative" open borders shill for the cheap labor lobby.
    , @Issac
    Hows the weather at the Home Office tonight?
    , @ben tillman

    Theresa May is good on countering Islam.
     
    "Good on countering Islam" means barring Muslims from entering one's country and deporting all who are already there. How does she stack up against this correct standard?
    , @Lurker
    Has she promised to close the borders and deport the invaders? Then she's no good. And as for crushing the traitors - that would be herself and most of her party.
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  3. More data is better, especially more publicly accessible data. This might make HBD realism more acceptable. The discrimination-based argument just fails entirely to explain this data. So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.

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    So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.
     
    Could this someone be Douglas Murray - or?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity."

    It'll either have to be somebody who no-one's ever heard of, in which case no one will notice, or someone who doesn't mind losing their job and having a lynch mob after them.

    It certainly won't be a Tory, although I imagine adviser Dominic Cummings knows the score. Political suicide because of enemy-controlled media/academia. BBC would just love to have open season on 'racist Tories'.

    Mrs May really has very poor political instincts about anything outside internal party politics*. She's not clever enough to realise that opening this particular Pandora's Box is not in any sense a Tory vote-winner.


    * However she does know enough to keep onside with Israel, having the nerve to chalk off Obama for his mild critique (made when he no longer had the power to back words with action), and ignoring Israeli influence on the party.

    , @AnotherDad
    The data does help make the HBD case.

    But May's statement:

    “People who have lived with discrimination don’t need a government audit to make them aware of the scale of the challenge. But this audit means that for society as a whole – for government, for our public services – there is nowhere to hide. These issues are now out in the open. And the message is very simple: if these disparities cannot be explained then they must be changed.”
     
    is pretty much canonical and makes the point about why knowledge of HBD--even the old crude but more or less accurate knowledge we had in the past--is absolutely critical to maintain a functioning civilized nation, and its suppression is absolute dogma on the left.

    Without just an honest acknowledgement of the reality of human differences, all this data simply empowers the leftist super-state in its jihad against the people of any Western nation--any nation either cursed by history or stupid enough to allow "diversity".
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  4. Nico says:

    Women should not be in politics, and Theresa May’s entire career is a perfect example of why Margaret Thatcher was the *exception* and not the rule on this point.

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    • Replies: @inselaffen
    Yes, it's so much better when we're being betrayed by males, such as Blair, Wilson, etc.
    At least they know how to screw us like a man!
    , @Cagey Beast
    Even Margaret Thatcher was problematic. The men around her did not know how to get her to cool it during the miner's strike and her stubborn insistence on a poll tax. "God said it. I believe. That settles it." was Queen Elizabeth I's motto. A female leader's faux tough guy act is charming until it isn't. A man trying do the same pig-headed stuff would be rightly shut down by his peers.

    Jordan Peterson and Camille Paglia discussed this sort of problem recently:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3Hrwg3A3w
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  5. And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.

    So bring on the affirmative action.

    Affirmative action – clearly the easy way out!

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  6. NickG says:

    And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.

    I’m an Englishman, currently in the UK – we have no first amendment protection. Non PC views can see you prosecuted for hate-speech.

    Blank-slatism is official state dogma, ergo any inequality of outcome between favoured identity politics groups – people of hue, wymyn, Muslims, homosexuals and native males is, ipso facto, a marker for a rigged system. We will need more quotas.

    No dissent will be countenanced – the great and good will come after you with the full force of the law and the mob will unperson you.

    The UK definition of a hate crime allows for suitably capricious enforcement:

    any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.

    Solicitor General speech on Hate Crime

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    Even with all we know, that is shocking. You can see why the Social Grievance Warriors over here are so keen to dismantle our Bill of Rights.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Nick, a long time ago there was a Revolution against things like this. Do they teach that in your schools?
    , @ThreeCranes
    Wow, no line between the perceived and the actual.

    I remember as a Freshman reading a bronze plaque installed on the grounds of my college campus which quoted some one as saying that the whole purpose of education was to teach the aspirant the difference between appearance and reality.

    , @lavoisier
    "We hold these truths to be self evident: All men are created equal. "

    To abide by this axiom, one must ignore evolution by natural selection.

    It is now official government dogma that evolution by natural selection does not apply to human beings. Dissent from this dogma is heresy and punishable by the State.

    I feel so sorry for Steve. He has been writing about this subject for years and has been exposed to many lifetimes worth of stupidity.

    I do not expect Theresa May to even consider the possibility that biology could play any role in the disparities recorded.

    It is only a matter of time before noticing disparities in outcomes will be considered racist.
    , @bomag
    This is a boot, coming down on a human face...
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  7. LondonBob says:

    This is a Conservative Prime Minister for all you Trump critics.

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  8. LondonBob says:
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    Why should I be interested in countering Islam?

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    London Bob, that is the point. Why are we on Earth to "counter Islam"?

    The same people who want us to fight them, insist on importing them.
    , @anon
    Well Bob , you are a Muslim so certainly you would not be interested in countering Islam.
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  9. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.
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    • Replies: @notanon
    they're neither held back by racism or unemployed - they are working in the shadow economy while claiming welfare at the same time.

    people from that part of the world are totally corrupt because they come from societies where the govt is totally corrupt so avoiding tax and ripping off the system are *normal* behavior.
    , @ben tillman

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4411913/just-one-in-five-muslims-are-in-work-as-report-finds-they-are-held-back-by-racism/
     
    They're held back by their own racism against the white people they're parasitizing.

    What an outrageously racist article!

    The article is clearly criminal under the UK's race hatred stautes, by the way. Any Brit want to press charges against the author or the government minister who incited hatred against whites by publishing this infamous libel?

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  10. I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don’t have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

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    A lifetime of training and live-action practice based on generations of community experience more than makes up for the low educational attainment.
    Might as well profess to be mystified as to why e.g. Austrians are so good at skiing. It's what they do. And we don't, by and large.
    , @Almost Missouri
    If they folded the white gypsy and Traveller components back into their native white group, would that bring the white performance down sufficiently?
    , @John Derbyshire
    There are a couple of swindlers somewhere in Dickens who, says the author, "lived not so much by their wits, as by the absence of wits in others."
    , @chris m
    one of those cases
    where a person can be both dumb and smart at one and the same time.
    , @notanon
    they don't actually attend school much and they don't need education as they make their living from stealing or scamming elderly people living on their own in rural areas with no protection.
    , @Anonymous
    A police officer once explained to me that criminals from low SES suburbs may not be intelligent but they have "rat cunning". And having known a multigenerational welfare recipient from a somewhat criminally inclined family, they have been selectively bred to be lazy, but also very good at lying convincingly. They are also quite clannish.
    , @Kaz
    They don't really swindle the natives. They just steal and abuse laws meant for a polite society.
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  11. Chiron says:
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    That’s why London has a Muslim mayor? Cuckservatives won’t save anyone from Dieversity

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    @NickG

    And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.
     
    I'm an Englishman, currently in the UK - we have no first amendment protection. Non PC views can see you prosecuted for hate-speech.

    Blank-slatism is official state dogma, ergo any inequality of outcome between favoured identity politics groups - people of hue, wymyn, Muslims, homosexuals and native males is, ipso facto, a marker for a rigged system. We will need more quotas.

    No dissent will be countenanced - the great and good will come after you with the full force of the law and the mob will unperson you.

    The UK definition of a hate crime allows for suitably capricious enforcement:


    any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.
     
    Solicitor General speech on Hate Crime

    Even with all we know, that is shocking. You can see why the Social Grievance Warriors over here are so keen to dismantle our Bill of Rights.

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  13. dearieme says:

    All bad American habits spread. But only the bad ones.

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  14. 22pp22 says:

    Theresa May’s administration is falling apart. She is ambushed by her enemies all the time. During a speech when she couldn’t stop coughing someone handed her a P45 form. That is a document you are given when you lose your voice.

    The sharks are circling.

    Jacob Reese-Mogg has attracted a lot of favorable comment, but I think the job will go to someone less “controversial”.

    He is a devout Catholic with six kids. The Tories are nothing if not PC, but depend for their survival on the Ulster Protestants who are anything but PC and might balk at being ruled by someone quite that Popish.

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    Mrs. May has been Prime Minister for only 15 months. She has somehow managed to make her time in office pass as if it were 15 years. No small feat that, even in the annals of British politics.
    , @Matra
    Jacob Reese-Mogg has attracted a lot of favorable comment, but I think the job will go to someone less “controversial”.

    He is a devout Catholic with six kids. The Tories are nothing if not PC, but depend for their survival on the Ulster Protestants who are anything but PC and might balk at being ruled by someone quite that Popish.

    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it's just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic. Right now DUP leaders are more concerned about the tariffs the US recently slapped on Bombardier than with any Tory leadership issues.

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  15. @Peter Johnson
    More data is better, especially more publicly accessible data. This might make HBD realism more acceptable. The discrimination-based argument just fails entirely to explain this data. So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.

    So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.

    Could this someone be Douglas Murray – or?

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    • Replies: @larry lurker
    Maybe eventually, but I've heard both Douglas Murray and Milo Yiannopoulos claim they knew nothing whatsoever about psychometrics when the topic came up.

    They were both lying, of course.

    , @German_reader
    Isn't Murray focused solely on Islam?
    His Spectator colleague Ed West (who's also quite Catholic) seems to be somewhat aware of HBD issues and has mentioned Sailer's blog several times in his articles. He's also written a book about immigration and multiculturalism ("The diversity illusion" iirc), but its impact seems to have been rather limited.
    Britain's probably a hopeless case anyway.
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  16. @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    Why is Theresa May pretending that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’?
    Douglas Murray The Spectator 30 September 2014

    From her speech to the Tory Party, quoted by Murray:
    ‘This hateful ideology has nothing to do with Islam itself. And it is rejected by the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Britain and around the world. The Quran says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other.” It says: “let there be no compulsion in religion.” So let the message go out from this hall that the extremists will never succeed in dividing us. Let the message go out that we know Islam is a religion of peace and it has nothing to do with the ideology of our enemies.’

    UK Home Secretary: Paris Attacks ‘Have Nothing To Do With Islam’
    by Breitbart London 16 Nov 2015

    The Home Secretary Theresa May has said the attacks in Paris, “have nothing to do with Islam”. She said Islam was peaceful, whilst explaining that “appropriate security measures” will need to be taken at the England France football match tomorrow.

    The Home Secretary was giving a speech to the House of Commons, just three days after eight terrorists, taking orders from the Islam State, murdered 129 people in Paris whilst screaming “Allah-hu Akbar”. Her closing words were:
    “British Muslims and indeed Muslims worldwide have said very clearly these events are abhorrent.
    “The attacks have nothing to do with Islam which is followed peacefully by millions of people around the world.
    “The terrorists seek to divide us and to destroy our way of life but theirs is an empty, perverted and murderous ideology.
    “They represent no one and they will fail.
    “France grieves but she does not grieve alone. People of all faiths, of all nationalities and all backgrounds are with you. And together we will defeat them.”

    The Home Secretary confirmed funding will be provided for an extra 1,900 officers at MI5, MI6 and GCHQ to “better respond to the threats we face from global terrorism”.

    She also described the government’s new Investigatory Powers Bill—which has been described by opponents as the ‘snooper’s charter’—as a piece of “landmark legislation”, adding: “The police and intelligence and security agencies do an incredible job to keep this country safe”.

    ‘He was chanting Islamic prayers loudly in the street’: Neighbours of British-born suicide bomber – a keen Manchester United fan and son of airport security worker – tell of his ‘strange behaviour’ in the weeks before deadly attack

    Manchester Arena concert suicide bomber has been named as Salman Abedi 
    Mail Online 24 May 2017

    -Terrorist was killed in the blast as he murdered 22 after Ariana Grande concert
    -Raids on address believed to be Abedi’s, where controlled explosion took place, and his brother -Ismail’s address, where police arrested a 23-year-old man
    -Neighbours described Abedi as an abrasive, tall, skinny young man who was little known in the neighbourhood, and often seen in traditional Islamic clothing 
    -ISIS claimed today that one of its fanatics was responsible for the massacre
    -The ranting message threatened further attacks on ‘worshippers of the Cross’ 

    UK: Manchester jihad mass murderer was “chanting Islamic prayers loudly in the street” in weeks before massacre
    JihadWatch May 23, 2017 By Robert Spencer
    “The 22-year-old British-born attacker was heard ‘chanting Islamic prayers loudly in the street’ outside his home in the south of the city.”
    Not that anyone reported him. That would have been “Islamophobic.”

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  17. @Peter Johnson
    More data is better, especially more publicly accessible data. This might make HBD realism more acceptable. The discrimination-based argument just fails entirely to explain this data. So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.

    “So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.”

    It’ll either have to be somebody who no-one’s ever heard of, in which case no one will notice, or someone who doesn’t mind losing their job and having a lynch mob after them.

    It certainly won’t be a Tory, although I imagine adviser Dominic Cummings knows the score. Political suicide because of enemy-controlled media/academia. BBC would just love to have open season on ‘racist Tories’.

    Mrs May really has very poor political instincts about anything outside internal party politics*. She’s not clever enough to realise that opening this particular Pandora’s Box is not in any sense a Tory vote-winner.

    * However she does know enough to keep onside with Israel, having the nerve to chalk off Obama for his mild critique (made when he no longer had the power to back words with action), and ignoring Israeli influence on the party.

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  18. Craken says:

    When a nation has no geopolitical rivals within reach, its suicide can be agonizingly slow, especially if it started at the top. Even assuming political policy continues to worsen, the British still might last another 50 years. After that it either turns into something new under the sun, or the staggering parasitic load downs the beast for good.

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  19. All countries of the world should be encouraged to undertake a detailed inventory of all social indicators (unemployment, arrest for crimes, single parent households, educational achievement, IQ test results, exclusion from school for misbehaviour, household income and wealth) broken down into detailed ethnic group ratios. Then there can be a public debate about what could possibly be the source of these uniform ratio patterns across the world and across a very wide range of social indicators. With enough evidence publicly available, anyone with two brain cells to rub together will see that it is obviously due to human biodiversity, unless they manage to blind themselves to the obvious. It is a good idea, and Theresa May should be applauded; even if she claims she did it to uncover “discrimination” she will in practice uncover HBD.

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    "Then there can be a public debate ... With enough evidence publicly available, anyone with two brain cells to rub together will see ..."
     
    This might have worked in a country that no longer exists. In modern politics it is a mistake to assume that any strategy that relies on open debate, public evidence and two or more brain cells will work.

    "unless they manage to blind themselves to the obvious."
     
    Just so.
    , @Dieter Kief
    Just comes to my mind: Jordan B. Petersen has a growing audience in Germany. The quite popular blog Achgut.com, which once ran an article about Steve Sailer, too, features a weekly column by Petersen. So far, no gross negative reactions. He's doing astonishingly well.
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  20. 9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).

    Are they going to start handing out cigarettes to black teenagers then?

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    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    The US moral panic over menthol in cigarettes was largely fueled by their consumption by blacks.

    I would guess that EU law bans menthol as an additive.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    No, because that would violate their neanderthal-free phenotypical sanctity.

    there are four phenotypes, all behavioral, to which Neanderthal alleles contribute more phenotypic variation than non-archaic alleles: chronotype, loneliness or isolation, frequency of unenthusiasm or disinterest in the last 2 weeks, and smoking status
     
    http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297%2817%2930379-8
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  21. Arclight says:

    Anyone else surprised at how similar the figures are for British white and black students?

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    I'd guess that's because there are no fresh-off-RyanAir, absolutely non-English-speaking Poles, Balts, Iberians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians ... (you name it, they're here, in eye-watering numbers) among those black children.
    Just a lesser load of Africans, most of whom can approximate the old colonial language and indeed use it at home. Boom! Instant black headstart over generic Euro "losers". Masked by statisticians numberwang.
    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin
    (shut up Peason larffing)
    , @unpc downunder
    You would think the American liberal press would be latching onto the academic information to show that British blacks are doing much better than American blacks. However, as I've mentioned before, crime stats are more socially controversial that academic stats, which only educated people are interested in. Highlighting that British blacks also have high crime rates isn't something American liberals want the general public to be aware of.
    , @RW
    I'm surprised that Steve didn't bring that question up in his post.

    It might be the white immigrants with poor English, but ten years back I spoke with a high school physics teacher from Britain once who said the white students don't do as well as they could simply because they are content with skilled labor jobs. So why study?

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    Really, as far as PC goes there is nothing separating the so-called ‘Conservative’ Party from the cultural-Marxist tinged Labour Party.

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    yes because neomarxism has succeeded in bypassing democracy, as it always does by using tricks. The trick was to take cultural issues out of the political arena and into a newly formed moral arena, (western values), in which all political parties must now exist. Anything outside that arena is r, f, n, h, as.
    , @AndrewR
    False. Tories are encouraged to breathe deeply and count to ten before labelling something racist.
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  23. Maj. Kong says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).
     
    Are they going to start handing out cigarettes to black teenagers then?

    The US moral panic over menthol in cigarettes was largely fueled by their consumption by blacks.

    I would guess that EU law bans menthol as an additive.

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    Menthol cigarettes are available in the UK but I've only ever known one person who smoked them.

    Looking further I see they are soon to be banned though:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/menthol-cigarettes-soon-banned-process-9990354
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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So, Britain’s black population shows an appalling disproportionate propensity toward criminality.
    However, this is presented not as a cause of great regret and shame amongst blacks in Britain and call for a moment’s self-reflection. No. It’s spun as being great moral and political failing of Britain’s indigenous white population.

    No surprise there, then.

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    I distinctly remember, a few years back, admits the backlash against Tony Blair’s open-door immigration policy, a report being issued by the Labour Party financed ‘think tank’ the IPPR claiming that ‘only a very small proportion of immigrants get council houses’ – this was spun as being ‘good’.

    Now it is claimed that a ‘disproportionate’ proportion of ‘ethnic minorities’ ‘live in social housing’. Now it’s spun as being ‘bad’.

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  26. @Nico
    Women should not be in politics, and Theresa May's entire career is a perfect example of why Margaret Thatcher was the *exception* and not the rule on this point.

    Yes, it’s so much better when we’re being betrayed by males, such as Blair, Wilson, etc.
    At least they know how to screw us like a man!

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    Aren't you thinking of Sailor Ted?
    , @Nico
    A word of advice: pretending that you don't know what I meant doesn't make me look stupid; it makes you look stupid.
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  27. Flip says:

    Gypsy/Roma are white?

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    Only on Sundays. Unlike the Hebrews.
    , @notanon
    Irish Travelers are very white (apart from the multi-generational 1st cousin marriage)
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  28. 9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).

    Right. Based on self-reports no doubt.

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    That is a high ratio, but in the US white high school students smoke a fair bit more than blacks: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/disparities/african-americans/index.htm
    The statistical meat is in Table 1 at https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6414a3.htm?s_cid=mm6414a3
    One interesting thing in that data is that blacks prefer cigars.

    British numbers are probably skewed by a higher proportion of black immigrants.
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  29. @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    A lifetime of training and live-action practice based on generations of community experience more than makes up for the low educational attainment.
    Might as well profess to be mystified as to why e.g. Austrians are so good at skiing. It’s what they do. And we don’t, by and large.

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  30. … compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils …

    Really interesting to see it broken down this way as an American.

    So do you report your “nation of (ultimate) origin” in the UK? Do they also ask about “race”? How does this work?

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    Two places where race is reported.

    Census, every 10 years, compulsory to fill in (in theory), not hard to avoid in practice (e.g. if you're illegal). Self-reported ethnicity. Can't remember the exact categories. For whole UK.

    England and Wales schools report the ethnicity of their pupils to the Department of Education either annually or twice a year. AFAIK as defined by their teachers. Hence the "one third of primary school kids are minority" reports.
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  31. @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    If they folded the white gypsy and Traveller components back into their native white group, would that bring the white performance down sufficiently?

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    Gypsy should be in the Indian category surely?

    Lots of little tricks do get played with these stats like that, should the many worthless degrees Africans study, often to get into the country, be worth as much as a Russell Group degree.
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  32. @Peter Johnson
    All countries of the world should be encouraged to undertake a detailed inventory of all social indicators (unemployment, arrest for crimes, single parent households, educational achievement, IQ test results, exclusion from school for misbehaviour, household income and wealth) broken down into detailed ethnic group ratios. Then there can be a public debate about what could possibly be the source of these uniform ratio patterns across the world and across a very wide range of social indicators. With enough evidence publicly available, anyone with two brain cells to rub together will see that it is obviously due to human biodiversity, unless they manage to blind themselves to the obvious. It is a good idea, and Theresa May should be applauded; even if she claims she did it to uncover "discrimination" she will in practice uncover HBD.

    “Then there can be a public debate … With enough evidence publicly available, anyone with two brain cells to rub together will see …”

    This might have worked in a country that no longer exists. In modern politics it is a mistake to assume that any strategy that relies on open debate, public evidence and two or more brain cells will work.

    “unless they manage to blind themselves to the obvious.”

    Just so.

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    I listen to LBC radio every morning. It is an education in how the narrative is constructed through the distortion of meaning by using comparison and statistics selectively, portraying statistical modelling as scientific fact, ignoring objective criteria. An example from today to illustrate the point. Wienstein was presented as 'have you had a 'Weinstein moment' with your boss?'. There were no cries of misogyny, as there were over the Trump incident. In fact, the show continued by listing all the claims made against Trump, and at that point the term sex attack was introduced. It is quite fascinating to listen to the process, if utterly depressing to think that people are swayed by what they are hearing.
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  33. MikeCLT says:

    Pretty much the same statistical results in the UK as the US but without the legacy of slavery to blame. Curious.

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    "Pretty much the same statistical results in the UK as the US but without the legacy of slavery to blame. Curious."

    Not quite so curious, as the main black population in the UK are "of Afro-Caribbean heritage" i.e. forebears were slaves. Lately though the UK seems to have no border controls to keep Africans out, so we have "interesting" groups who impress the Afro-Caribbeans with their innovative violence levels.

    In the words of a black London street-gang member – “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”.
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  34. @Buzz Mohawk

    9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).
     
    Are they going to start handing out cigarettes to black teenagers then?

    No, because that would violate their neanderthal-free phenotypical sanctity.

    there are four phenotypes, all behavioral, to which Neanderthal alleles contribute more phenotypic variation than non-archaic alleles: chronotype, loneliness or isolation, frequency of unenthusiasm or disinterest in the last 2 weeks, and smoking status

    http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297%2817%2930379-8

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  35. @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    There are a couple of swindlers somewhere in Dickens who, says the author, “lived not so much by their wits, as by the absence of wits in others.”

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    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    That's exactly the point I wanted to make, although I didn't have a nice literary reference handy with which to put it so superbly.

    Remember, these are the same "natives" who insist that Islam is a religion of peace even as the Islamists are blowing them up and raping them. They get swindled only because they let themselves.
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  36. @Dieter Kief

    So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.
     
    Could this someone be Douglas Murray - or?

    Maybe eventually, but I’ve heard both Douglas Murray and Milo Yiannopoulos claim they knew nothing whatsoever about psychometrics when the topic came up.

    They were both lying, of course.

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    Paul Collier?
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  37. @Arclight
    Anyone else surprised at how similar the figures are for British white and black students?

    I’d guess that’s because there are no fresh-off-RyanAir, absolutely non-English-speaking Poles, Balts, Iberians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians … (you name it, they’re here, in eye-watering numbers) among those black children.
    Just a lesser load of Africans, most of whom can approximate the old colonial language and indeed use it at home. Boom! Instant black headstart over generic Euro “losers”. Masked by statisticians numberwang.

    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

    (shut up Peason larffing)

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  38. @22pp22
    Theresa May's administration is falling apart. She is ambushed by her enemies all the time. During a speech when she couldn't stop coughing someone handed her a P45 form. That is a document you are given when you lose your voice.

    The sharks are circling.

    Jacob Reese-Mogg has attracted a lot of favorable comment, but I think the job will go to someone less "controversial".

    He is a devout Catholic with six kids. The Tories are nothing if not PC, but depend for their survival on the Ulster Protestants who are anything but PC and might balk at being ruled by someone quite that Popish.

    Mrs. May has been Prime Minister for only 15 months. She has somehow managed to make her time in office pass as if it were 15 years. No small feat that, even in the annals of British politics.

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    Rees-Mogg would have to explain why he caves over Brexit.

    Brexit is the only reason May is still around. The others know, or should know, they need a scapegoat once the negotiations have failed.

    , @Old Palo Altan
    Pithiest and wisest comment on this thread.

    The woman is both nasty and stupid - a pretty dangerous combination.
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  39. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @LondonBob
    Why should I be interested in countering Islam?

    London Bob, that is the point. Why are we on Earth to “counter Islam”?

    The same people who want us to fight them, insist on importing them.

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    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

    , @Jake
    That is because they are culturally suicidal.

    You cannot stop any of this with democracy or with more secularism. You cannot slow it briefly by pitting Jews against Moslems or Moslems against Jews. You cannot slow it briefly by hoping gays will support you against Moslems. Nor can you slow it by submitting to Islamic rule to avoid Queer Theocracy.

    The chickens of the Reformation that encouraged cultural and linguistic Germanics (And that includes Anglo-Saxons) to return to the vomit of their pagan ways of thinking and doing are coming home to roost.

    Every part of Europe, and the colonies of Europe around the globe, faces cultural suicide. The only way out is to repent of the Reformation and embrace Christendom.
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  40. @inselaffen
    Yes, it's so much better when we're being betrayed by males, such as Blair, Wilson, etc.
    At least they know how to screw us like a man!

    Aren’t you thinking of Sailor Ted?

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  41. @Nico
    Women should not be in politics, and Theresa May's entire career is a perfect example of why Margaret Thatcher was the *exception* and not the rule on this point.

    Even Margaret Thatcher was problematic. The men around her did not know how to get her to cool it during the miner’s strike and her stubborn insistence on a poll tax. “God said it. I believe. That settles it.” was Queen Elizabeth I’s motto. A female leader’s faux tough guy act is charming until it isn’t. A man trying do the same pig-headed stuff would be rightly shut down by his peers.

    Jordan Peterson and Camille Paglia discussed this sort of problem recently:

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    I watched the entire 1 hour 43 minute discussion on youtube, CB. I never would have thought I'd enjoy 2 intellectuals talking for that long, starting off with art literature (good God!) with the biggest excitement being the overhearing of fire trucks somewhere down the street. It was very good once they got into the thick of it wrt the feminism, though. Both of these 2 seek the truth, and some of what they said you'd never hear from their colleagues.

    One could skip to about 1/2 hour in and still enjoy this, as it started with talk about art schools and graduate students and just stuff that is of no concern outside the bubble world of humanities at the U. However, it got interesting soon enough.

    Two thumbs up for these two!
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  42. @Flip
    Gypsy/Roma are white?

    Only on Sundays. Unlike the Hebrews.

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  43. @Dieter Kief

    So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.
     
    Could this someone be Douglas Murray - or?

    Isn’t Murray focused solely on Islam?
    His Spectator colleague Ed West (who’s also quite Catholic) seems to be somewhat aware of HBD issues and has mentioned Sailer’s blog several times in his articles. He’s also written a book about immigration and multiculturalism (“The diversity illusion” iirc), but its impact seems to have been rather limited.
    Britain’s probably a hopeless case anyway.

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    Ed tweets with hbders.

    Anyway, Britain is undergoing another wave of 'move north, southwest, and west'*. Poor old celts, the English are coming. Cornwall has already put restrictions on house purchasing i believe. Yorkshire is tipped to attempt independence.

    *romans and saxons both pushed celts to the fringes
    , @Dieter Kief
    Yeah, well,

    - and then there is Corbyn and his diversity-proposing Trotzkyites becoming stronger and stronger.



    (Btw. - this will be good for a lot of future confusions - HBD vs. "diversity"...).
    , @Cagey Beast
    Ed West said on Twitter a little while ago that he personally liked Tony Blair but he understood Blair was detested out there, beyond West's social circle. That's when I un-followed West on Twitter.

    I've been reading the Spectator on and off since I was in high school. My father had a subscription back when Auberon Waugh* wrote for it and Enoch Powell was allowed an occasional piece. In retrospect, it all seems like a giant sham. Conservatives proved to be just globalists with a different covering. They were globalists with a faux wood and leather finish that wouldn't clash with the décor. The Catholic ones had some classy Latin stuff written on them too. One paid extra for that.

    The fact that Ed West managed to land a gig keeping the sham going a few more years is great for him (I guess) but no good for the rest of us.

    * (I recently had a look at Waugh's attack on Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address. Boy did that age badly.)
    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/26th-august-1978/5/another-voice

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  44. “The conservatives conserved nothing” as they say on the web. Wise words.

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  45. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anonymous
    London Bob, that is the point. Why are we on Earth to "counter Islam"?

    The same people who want us to fight them, insist on importing them.

    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

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    And the absence of many types of sausage, and bacon too, from your morning meals.
    , @L Woods
    That point has certainly crossed my mind many a time, though I'm not entirely certain its true. Islam carries an inherent undertone of Arab supremacy, and Muslim populations come as conquerers. It's never good to be a conquered people (at least if you're male). Converting before demographics render it a necessity might be a somewhat different matter (preemptively, a la Poland and Lithuania faced with the Baltic Crusades). But if the West has the will to embrace something alien and illiberal, it may as well just return to its own less insane roots.
    , @syonredux

    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.
     
    Dunno. I read Houellebecq's Submission. That kind of thing happening in Britain doesn't exactly thrill me....


    Maybe I'm just too Anglo......
    , @Vinteuil
    "an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place..."

    Don't be silly. Slightly better? Maybe one could make the case. But "infinitely?" That's just crazy.

    Anyway, it's a false alternative. How about Britain in 1859 - the year The Origin of Species was published?

    What bliss would it have been in that dawn to be alive.
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  46. helena says:
    @Anonymous
    Really, as far as PC goes there is nothing separating the so-called 'Conservative' Party from the cultural-Marxist tinged Labour Party.

    yes because neomarxism has succeeded in bypassing democracy, as it always does by using tricks. The trick was to take cultural issues out of the political arena and into a newly formed moral arena, (western values), in which all political parties must now exist. Anything outside that arena is r, f, n, h, as.

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    yes - while fools like Thatcher and Reagan fought the economic battle, Marxists fought and won the culture war which trumps economics.

    instead of destroying the industrial unions (which were the only thing holding back the Marxists) they should have destroyed the teaching unions.
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  47. Jake says:

    England is Dead Man Walking. England is committing suicide.

    WASP culture is suicidal. Germanic culture is one based on faith in the Gotterdammerung: the DESERVED destruction of everyone and everything, Germanic gods included. That is the most powerful Death Wish that any culture has ever reflected, certainly in its earliest thought.

    WASP culture – which immediately upon forming allied with Jews in order to wage culture war against the vast majority of white Christians it encountered – is a raging imperialist monster with a Death Wish that it cannot shake because cultural suicide is central to its earliest myth.

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    WASP culture is suicidal.
     
    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    weird, huh.
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  48. helena says:
    @German_reader
    Isn't Murray focused solely on Islam?
    His Spectator colleague Ed West (who's also quite Catholic) seems to be somewhat aware of HBD issues and has mentioned Sailer's blog several times in his articles. He's also written a book about immigration and multiculturalism ("The diversity illusion" iirc), but its impact seems to have been rather limited.
    Britain's probably a hopeless case anyway.

    Ed tweets with hbders.

    Anyway, Britain is undergoing another wave of ‘move north, southwest, and west’*. Poor old celts, the English are coming. Cornwall has already put restrictions on house purchasing i believe. Yorkshire is tipped to attempt independence.

    *romans and saxons both pushed celts to the fringes

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    Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. Their strategy invariably seems to be to discreetly head for the exits and let someone else be the last man out. The same play is run from Quebec, to California, to South Africa and now to the former imperial metropole itself.

    They teach at staff college that an orderly retreat is intended to "exchange geography for time". Well when Anglos are withdrawing from London, they've run out of both geography and time. The old maps of the world used to show the British Empire in pink. Maybe the super smart, Economist reading types will retreat into Pink Zones, kind of like the old Green Zone of Baghdad?

    , @Anonymous
    Indeed, and this is one of the major drivers of Scottish nationalism. The reason the SNP is relaxed about Afro/Asian immigration is that by far most immigration to Scotland comes from England.
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  49. @larry lurker
    Maybe eventually, but I've heard both Douglas Murray and Milo Yiannopoulos claim they knew nothing whatsoever about psychometrics when the topic came up.

    They were both lying, of course.

    Paul Collier?

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  50. LondonBob says:
    @Almost Missouri
    If they folded the white gypsy and Traveller components back into their native white group, would that bring the white performance down sufficiently?

    Gypsy should be in the Indian category surely?

    Lots of little tricks do get played with these stats like that, should the many worthless degrees Africans study, often to get into the country, be worth as much as a Russell Group degree.

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    The Gypsys we saw in Italy, begging, looked like Asian Indians crossed with American Indians. Their "look I'm disabled!" posturing was almost comical. What a life.
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  51. @Anonymous
    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

    And the absence of many types of sausage, and bacon too, from your morning meals.

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  52. helena says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "Then there can be a public debate ... With enough evidence publicly available, anyone with two brain cells to rub together will see ..."
     
    This might have worked in a country that no longer exists. In modern politics it is a mistake to assume that any strategy that relies on open debate, public evidence and two or more brain cells will work.

    "unless they manage to blind themselves to the obvious."
     
    Just so.

    I listen to LBC radio every morning. It is an education in how the narrative is constructed through the distortion of meaning by using comparison and statistics selectively, portraying statistical modelling as scientific fact, ignoring objective criteria. An example from today to illustrate the point. Wienstein was presented as ‘have you had a ‘Weinstein moment’ with your boss?’. There were no cries of misogyny, as there were over the Trump incident. In fact, the show continued by listing all the claims made against Trump, and at that point the term sex attack was introduced. It is quite fascinating to listen to the process, if utterly depressing to think that people are swayed by what they are hearing.

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    Are you one of James O'Brien's toxic box of trolls? What's his other favourite word? Bovine.
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  53. @Peter Johnson
    All countries of the world should be encouraged to undertake a detailed inventory of all social indicators (unemployment, arrest for crimes, single parent households, educational achievement, IQ test results, exclusion from school for misbehaviour, household income and wealth) broken down into detailed ethnic group ratios. Then there can be a public debate about what could possibly be the source of these uniform ratio patterns across the world and across a very wide range of social indicators. With enough evidence publicly available, anyone with two brain cells to rub together will see that it is obviously due to human biodiversity, unless they manage to blind themselves to the obvious. It is a good idea, and Theresa May should be applauded; even if she claims she did it to uncover "discrimination" she will in practice uncover HBD.

    Just comes to my mind: Jordan B. Petersen has a growing audience in Germany. The quite popular blog Achgut.com, which once ran an article about Steve Sailer, too, features a weekly column by Petersen. So far, no gross negative reactions. He’s doing astonishingly well.

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    Peterson promotes race denial and warmed-over christian liberalism. It's little surprise he is unfettered by German authorities.
    , @william munny
    This is an interesting article about Kubitschek in the NYT, which makes it appear that he has some influence in German politics. True? The American press is terrible at covering internal politics in non-English speaking countries.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/magazine/the-prophet-of-germanys-new-right.html

    It is interesting that the author appears conflicted because he knows Kubitschek is supposed to be a bad guy, but seems personally impressed by his thoughtfulness and seriousness. The few comments are worth a read as well.
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  54. It never ceases to amaze that nations without the U.S.’s historical vibrancy challenges nevertheless themselves import vibrants and then ape our self-flaggelation like it’s some sort of fashion.

    Wouldn’t you take from the American experience a reticence to recreate all that sort of trouble in your own nations?

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    i'd say the importing of a race problem was partly caused by the US experience. SJW types watch Hollywood "evil redneck" movies and it triggers their virtue signalling genes.
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  55. Jake says:
    @Anonymous
    London Bob, that is the point. Why are we on Earth to "counter Islam"?

    The same people who want us to fight them, insist on importing them.

    That is because they are culturally suicidal.

    You cannot stop any of this with democracy or with more secularism. You cannot slow it briefly by pitting Jews against Moslems or Moslems against Jews. You cannot slow it briefly by hoping gays will support you against Moslems. Nor can you slow it by submitting to Islamic rule to avoid Queer Theocracy.

    The chickens of the Reformation that encouraged cultural and linguistic Germanics (And that includes Anglo-Saxons) to return to the vomit of their pagan ways of thinking and doing are coming home to roost.

    Every part of Europe, and the colonies of Europe around the globe, faces cultural suicide. The only way out is to repent of the Reformation and embrace Christendom.

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    If only you Catholics cared as much about driving out the pestilence of Communism and Pedophilia in your own Church as you did laying the blame at the feet of Protestants, you would see mass conversion to the One True Faith over-night.
    , @Ed
    Does this imply a return to Catholicism? Catholicism may not be as far gone as the mainline Protestant faiths but they aren't exactly putting up much of a resistance to Islam.
    , @Broski
    Your implication that the Reformation was heresy and Catholicism is true Christianity is dubious. Your argument is that only Catholicism can save global Europa from suicide? The papists are the ones who've demanded America throw open her borders to hordes of third worlders because said third worlders are Catholic and can enlarge the Church's shrinking American community. The papists are the ones who've fought every effort to have third worlders adopt sensible birth control policies, again because their real politik strategy is to increase the number of tithe payers at any cost to society at large. The popes, Francis perhaps more than any other, are politicians at the head of a political institution.

    (This is the same "Christianity," remember, that facilitated who-knows-how-many molestations rather than face political scrutiny. That was 10-15 years ago. And let's not forget the women's and children's homes in Ireland several decades ago. These are but two recent of the endless litany of shocking Catholic Church abuses.)

    , @Millennial
    So now the Reformation was a return to pagan ways, and not "Judaizing"?

    Tacitus - Germania would really open your eyes. Julius Caesar also wrote in detail about pagan German society. Quite the opposite of vomit. Read, and pay close attention to the descriptions of German political customs and sexual mores.

    Everyone likes to throw around the term "cuck" - according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn't care about accurately attributing paternity. Celts had Queens (e.g. Boudica). German mores could be summarized as the exact opposite.

    "...neither from the Samnites, nor from the Carthaginians, nor from both Spains, nor from all the nations of Gaul, have we received more checks and alarms; nor even from the Parthians: for, more vigorous and invincible is the liberty of the Germans than the monarchy of the Arsacides."
    -Tacitus
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  56. @German_reader
    Isn't Murray focused solely on Islam?
    His Spectator colleague Ed West (who's also quite Catholic) seems to be somewhat aware of HBD issues and has mentioned Sailer's blog several times in his articles. He's also written a book about immigration and multiculturalism ("The diversity illusion" iirc), but its impact seems to have been rather limited.
    Britain's probably a hopeless case anyway.

    Yeah, well,

    - and then there is Corbyn and his diversity-proposing Trotzkyites becoming stronger and stronger.

    (Btw. – this will be good for a lot of future confusions – HBD vs. “diversity”…).

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    The compassionate ones are also the same who are least likely to critically analyze the metrics of the population groups they are importing. Even if they were Syrian doctors, have you been to a hospital in those countries? Have you seen the medical education they are given? Have you seen the number of deaths they have caused, etc.

    How can anyone with half a brain not see that western civilization has about three decades left? The simultaneous encroachment by Chinese and the dysgenic effects of welfare and migration will ruin it.
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  57. @larry lurker

    ... compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils ...
     
    Really interesting to see it broken down this way as an American.

    So do you report your "nation of (ultimate) origin" in the UK? Do they also ask about "race"? How does this work?

    Two places where race is reported.

    Census, every 10 years, compulsory to fill in (in theory), not hard to avoid in practice (e.g. if you’re illegal). Self-reported ethnicity. Can’t remember the exact categories. For whole UK.

    England and Wales schools report the ethnicity of their pupils to the Department of Education either annually or twice a year. AFAIK as defined by their teachers. Hence the “one third of primary school kids are minority” reports.

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    Interesting. Thanks.
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  58. British Prime Minister Theresa May is a horrible politician whore who presided over the open borders mass immigration policies of Prime Minister Dave “Dishface” Cameron while she was Home Secretary. PM Theresa May was in the position of home secretary from 2010 to 2016. During Theresa May’s tenure as home secretary, the UK was being invaded by over 300, 000 foreigners a year.

    Prime Minister Theresa May Is A Treasonous Globalizer Rat.

    The American Empire should also reconsider the code transaction involving the Trident submarines and the Menwith Hill-type “listening” installations. In short, Prime Minister Theresa May is a clear and present threat to the national security interests of the United Kingdom. Since the United States’ national security interests are intertwined with the UK’s, it is imperative that Prime Minister Theresa May be removed from power as soon as possible.

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    ... it is imperative that Prime Minister Theresa May be removed from power as soon as possible.
     
    Regime Change, Bitchez!
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  59. @German_reader
    Isn't Murray focused solely on Islam?
    His Spectator colleague Ed West (who's also quite Catholic) seems to be somewhat aware of HBD issues and has mentioned Sailer's blog several times in his articles. He's also written a book about immigration and multiculturalism ("The diversity illusion" iirc), but its impact seems to have been rather limited.
    Britain's probably a hopeless case anyway.

    Ed West said on Twitter a little while ago that he personally liked Tony Blair but he understood Blair was detested out there, beyond West’s social circle. That’s when I un-followed West on Twitter.

    I’ve been reading the Spectator on and off since I was in high school. My father had a subscription back when Auberon Waugh* wrote for it and Enoch Powell was allowed an occasional piece. In retrospect, it all seems like a giant sham. Conservatives proved to be just globalists with a different covering. They were globalists with a faux wood and leather finish that wouldn’t clash with the décor. The Catholic ones had some classy Latin stuff written on them too. One paid extra for that.

    The fact that Ed West managed to land a gig keeping the sham going a few more years is great for him (I guess) but no good for the rest of us.

    * (I recently had a look at Waugh’s attack on Solzhenitsyn’s Harvard Address. Boy did that age badly.)

    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/26th-august-1978/5/another-voice

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    Ed West means well, though he occasionally gives back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's so he can pay the rent and feed the family. Also, while Blair ought to be drawn and quartered he may be likeable, charming, or funny to friends or family, how would we know.
    , @Bill
    Wow. I hadn't seen that before. Thanks.
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  60. @MikeCLT
    Pretty much the same statistical results in the UK as the US but without the legacy of slavery to blame. Curious.

    “Pretty much the same statistical results in the UK as the US but without the legacy of slavery to blame. Curious.”

    Not quite so curious, as the main black population in the UK are “of Afro-Caribbean heritage” i.e. forebears were slaves. Lately though the UK seems to have no border controls to keep Africans out, so we have “interesting” groups who impress the Afro-Caribbeans with their innovative violence levels.

    In the words of a black London street-gang member – “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”.

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    What advantage does the next level bring? “Power, status, girls, especially girls.”
     
    one of the things a lot of people don't know is although there are some girls who are genuinely attracted to the "gangsta" type, most teenage girls in gang ruled areas don't get a choice - lots of gang rape but also lots of intimidation sex.
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  61. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    The report is positively *crowing* about the elevated unemployment rates of ‘ethnic minorities’.

    That’s strange. Reports from Economist-wing of the diversity industry usually stress how ‘vitally important’ it is for Britain to import an infinite number of ‘ethnic minorities’. Apparently, they have a work ethic which will not only ‘save Britain’ but also ‘pay white people’s pensions’.
    But, curiously, here we have a much trumpeted ‘official’ report with Theresa May’s premature on it, shouting out the economic uselessness of Britain’s ethnic minorities.
    Literally a case of the right hand of the diversity industry not knowing what the left hand doing.

    But, if you always start out from the premise that the chief function of the divert industry is to bash whites, white men in particular, in any way, shape or form possible, all the self-contradictions make sense.

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    Indeed and I frequently pull these two points together.

    They're here not to do the work white people won't do.

    Also, if it's somehow impossible to get 100 unemployed white people to do a particular job how is it going to be any easier to get the 120 non-white people who are also not doing the job, to do it?

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  62. I will see Theresa May’s ratchet and raise you Brown’s bottom. Theresa May is a mentally deranged slob who pushes mass immigration, multiculturalism and other anti-White policies. Former Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown sold much of the United Kingdom’s gold to bail out his banker buddies. It is called Brown’s bottom because the baby boomer dirtbag Gordon Brown sold the damn gold while the price was bouncing along the bottom.

    Prime Minister Theresa May is an anti-White treasonite who pushes open borders mass immigration. When the mass immigration policies pushed by Theresa May cause immense problems, PM May says the native-born White British are at fault. PM Theresa May must be removed from power immediately.

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  63. Yak-15 says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Yeah, well,

    - and then there is Corbyn and his diversity-proposing Trotzkyites becoming stronger and stronger.



    (Btw. - this will be good for a lot of future confusions - HBD vs. "diversity"...).

    The compassionate ones are also the same who are least likely to critically analyze the metrics of the population groups they are importing. Even if they were Syrian doctors, have you been to a hospital in those countries? Have you seen the medical education they are given? Have you seen the number of deaths they have caused, etc.

    How can anyone with half a brain not see that western civilization has about three decades left? The simultaneous encroachment by Chinese and the dysgenic effects of welfare and migration will ruin it.

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  64. @helena
    Ed tweets with hbders.

    Anyway, Britain is undergoing another wave of 'move north, southwest, and west'*. Poor old celts, the English are coming. Cornwall has already put restrictions on house purchasing i believe. Yorkshire is tipped to attempt independence.

    *romans and saxons both pushed celts to the fringes

    Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. Their strategy invariably seems to be to discreetly head for the exits and let someone else be the last man out. The same play is run from Quebec, to California, to South Africa and now to the former imperial metropole itself.

    They teach at staff college that an orderly retreat is intended to “exchange geography for time”. Well when Anglos are withdrawing from London, they’ve run out of both geography and time. The old maps of the world used to show the British Empire in pink. Maybe the super smart, Economist reading types will retreat into Pink Zones, kind of like the old Green Zone of Baghdad?

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    "Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. "

    They've formed quite a few (National Front, BNP, EDL), but students chucked rocks at their demonstrations*, their parties have been denied bank accounts, their activists sacked, and well funded and organised campaigns have persuaded enough people that they're BadWhites to mean it'll be too late before they see the light.

    And there's nothing a middle-class Brit likes better these days than sitting in some white, rural fastness while tut-tutting at all those awful white people who actually live with diversity and aren't fans.

    This weekend several thousand white people marched peacefully in London against Islamist terror, but it wasn't reported in the BBC or Guardian.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958848/Thousands-football-fans-march-against-terror-London.html

    * and these days something like 45% of young Brits go to university, clocking up huge debts to be indoctrinated (by people who hate them).

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  65. @NickG

    And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.
     
    I'm an Englishman, currently in the UK - we have no first amendment protection. Non PC views can see you prosecuted for hate-speech.

    Blank-slatism is official state dogma, ergo any inequality of outcome between favoured identity politics groups - people of hue, wymyn, Muslims, homosexuals and native males is, ipso facto, a marker for a rigged system. We will need more quotas.

    No dissent will be countenanced - the great and good will come after you with the full force of the law and the mob will unperson you.

    The UK definition of a hate crime allows for suitably capricious enforcement:


    any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.
     
    Solicitor General speech on Hate Crime

    Nick, a long time ago there was a Revolution against things like this. Do they teach that in your schools?

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    Nick, a long time ago there was a Revolution against things like this. Do they teach that in your schools?
     
    I doubt it.
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  66. songbird says:

    I really wish that some honest numbers would come out of Sweden. Liberals still love Sweden. It is probably the most egalitarian and welfare-loving country in the world, but we all know that no amount of welfare can fully remediate social differences between groups. And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.

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    And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.
     
    Sweden is whiter than the Dakotas...

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US) the country is still 90% white.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week. And that said africans steal all the hot girls. It's still annoying to read. US and UK are much worse off than my own country. Our problem is that our leaders want to be you.

    Do you understand? They want to be like you.

    Since people really don't know much they of course don't know that things are changing over here.
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  67. Nico says:
    @inselaffen
    Yes, it's so much better when we're being betrayed by males, such as Blair, Wilson, etc.
    At least they know how to screw us like a man!

    A word of advice: pretending that you don’t know what I meant doesn’t make me look stupid; it makes you look stupid.

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  68. Other shocking discoveries of the study not mentioned in this summary:

    – Water is wet and sugar is sweet.

    – Deer are swifter than tortoises; elephants stronger than swallows.

    – Geese and salmon each follow their established patterns of seasonal migration year after year.

    – Depriving cats of meat leads to jaundiced, then dead, cats, rather than healthy, vegetarian cats. (Something about biochemistry and amino acids – it’s all very puzzling and mysterious….)

    If only such horrors could be fathomed and set right….

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  69. @NickG

    And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.
     
    I'm an Englishman, currently in the UK - we have no first amendment protection. Non PC views can see you prosecuted for hate-speech.

    Blank-slatism is official state dogma, ergo any inequality of outcome between favoured identity politics groups - people of hue, wymyn, Muslims, homosexuals and native males is, ipso facto, a marker for a rigged system. We will need more quotas.

    No dissent will be countenanced - the great and good will come after you with the full force of the law and the mob will unperson you.

    The UK definition of a hate crime allows for suitably capricious enforcement:


    any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.
     
    Solicitor General speech on Hate Crime

    Wow, no line between the perceived and the actual.

    I remember as a Freshman reading a bronze plaque installed on the grounds of my college campus which quoted some one as saying that the whole purpose of education was to teach the aspirant the difference between appearance and reality.

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  70. OT, but with the wildfires raging through California wine country when do the MSM stories start about all the “immigrant” labors losing their jobs picking grapes. Three, two, one….

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  71. @Cagey Beast
    Ed West said on Twitter a little while ago that he personally liked Tony Blair but he understood Blair was detested out there, beyond West's social circle. That's when I un-followed West on Twitter.

    I've been reading the Spectator on and off since I was in high school. My father had a subscription back when Auberon Waugh* wrote for it and Enoch Powell was allowed an occasional piece. In retrospect, it all seems like a giant sham. Conservatives proved to be just globalists with a different covering. They were globalists with a faux wood and leather finish that wouldn't clash with the décor. The Catholic ones had some classy Latin stuff written on them too. One paid extra for that.

    The fact that Ed West managed to land a gig keeping the sham going a few more years is great for him (I guess) but no good for the rest of us.

    * (I recently had a look at Waugh's attack on Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address. Boy did that age badly.)
    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/26th-august-1978/5/another-voice

    Ed West means well, though he occasionally gives back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s so he can pay the rent and feed the family. Also, while Blair ought to be drawn and quartered he may be likeable, charming, or funny to friends or family, how would we know.

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    True. What Ed West and the rest of us are living through was pretty much set in place back in the late 60's and early 70's. People did try to change course but our mass media, think tank, two party, Bilderberg, G7, EU, Davos, grant-giving system in the West wouldn't allow it. The problem is the West, not Ed West.
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  72. I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

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    You need to look at bit more carefully -- Roma are genetically closer to northern Indians than Europeans. They migrated to Europe from northern India.
    , @Anonymous
    'Real' Roma from Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia etc are virtually indistinguishable from the low caste Indian populations they descended from 800 years ago.
    , @German_reader
    East European Roma certainly aren't, many of them look quite subcontinental. Definitely not standard European white (even though many of them may have somewhat mixed ancestry, and the whiter-looking ones occasionally pass into the general population).
    , @Lurker
    At one time the BBC made heroic efforts to conflate Roma and Romanians but they seem to have given up now. No one could fail to pick out Roma from a line up of random Brits or other Europeans.
    , @notanon
    Irish travelers are white, UK gypsies (once Roma) are very mixed (half-white maybe) but full Roma from eastern Europe look south Asian - so it depends.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Do you ever meet native Brits in Bradford or wherever you are? Any idea what they look like? That statement gave me a migraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBvG6JOhTs
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  73. @Cagey Beast
    Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. Their strategy invariably seems to be to discreetly head for the exits and let someone else be the last man out. The same play is run from Quebec, to California, to South Africa and now to the former imperial metropole itself.

    They teach at staff college that an orderly retreat is intended to "exchange geography for time". Well when Anglos are withdrawing from London, they've run out of both geography and time. The old maps of the world used to show the British Empire in pink. Maybe the super smart, Economist reading types will retreat into Pink Zones, kind of like the old Green Zone of Baghdad?

    “Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. “

    They’ve formed quite a few (National Front, BNP, EDL), but students chucked rocks at their demonstrations*, their parties have been denied bank accounts, their activists sacked, and well funded and organised campaigns have persuaded enough people that they’re BadWhites to mean it’ll be too late before they see the light.

    And there’s nothing a middle-class Brit likes better these days than sitting in some white, rural fastness while tut-tutting at all those awful white people who actually live with diversity and aren’t fans.

    This weekend several thousand white people marched peacefully in London against Islamist terror, but it wasn’t reported in the BBC or Guardian.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958848/Thousands-football-fans-march-against-terror-London.html

    * and these days something like 45% of young Brits go to university, clocking up huge debts to be indoctrinated (by people who hate them).

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    So - exactly what Cagey Best said - bourgeois anglo-saxons seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups.
    , @Cagey Beast
    and these days something like 45% of young Brits go to university, clocking up huge debts to be indoctrinated (by people who hate them).

    I'm certain the self-styled technocratic, managerial class of the 1960s knew precisely that's what they were up to when they massively expanded the post-secondary education systems across the West. The majority of them, I'm sure, had good intentions but the creepy "persuasive technology" types knew they needed to steal away the postwar generation of potential troublemakers from their working class parents or things could go badly for the Establishment. The pop culture strongly encouraged this generation gap. The resentful son-in-laws in the old Brit TV series, Till Death Us Do Part and the US rip-off of it, All In The Family were presented as a heroes for being a perpetual students who parrot all the right opinions, rather than traitors to their own kind.

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  74. @theo the kraut
    Ed West means well, though he occasionally gives back to Caesar the things that are Caesar's so he can pay the rent and feed the family. Also, while Blair ought to be drawn and quartered he may be likeable, charming, or funny to friends or family, how would we know.

    True. What Ed West and the rest of us are living through was pretty much set in place back in the late 60′s and early 70′s. People did try to change course but our mass media, think tank, two party, Bilderberg, G7, EU, Davos, grant-giving system in the West wouldn’t allow it. The problem is the West, not Ed West.

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  75. Tmanz says:

    Chinese pupils excelled at primary school, with 71% reaching the expected standard for reading, writing and maths, compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils, 51% of black children, and 13% of white Gypsy and Traveller children.

    The white/black non-gap here is very strange. Perhaps it’s all due to language difficulties from Eastern Europeans included among the students, as suggested above. Or maybe smart white kids are in other types of schools not covered here. Or maybe Britain has a very regressive culture for working-class whites.

    I’d like to know the answer.

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    private tutors.

    the schools dumbed down to close the black-white gap so now the only kids who can possibly do well are the ones whose parents pay for private tutors.

    the number of parents using private tutors has gone up to c. 40% in the big cities but the proportions vary greatly by class and ethnicity with south and east asians doing it most.

    private tutors are the UK version of home schooling.
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  76. L Woods says:
    @Anonymous
    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

    That point has certainly crossed my mind many a time, though I’m not entirely certain its true. Islam carries an inherent undertone of Arab supremacy, and Muslim populations come as conquerers. It’s never good to be a conquered people (at least if you’re male). Converting before demographics render it a necessity might be a somewhat different matter (preemptively, a la Poland and Lithuania faced with the Baltic Crusades). But if the West has the will to embrace something alien and illiberal, it may as well just return to its own less insane roots.

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    Of course, that could only happen if its less insane roots came calling, sword in hand. Given the "dare I bomb an abortion clinic" level of its less insane roots' dialogue, I think we'll be waiting a long time for that.
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  77. L Woods says:
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    “Countering Islam” only to preserve a paradigm of diversity “audits” is hardly very compelling.

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  78. chris m says:
    @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    one of those cases
    where a person can be both dumb and smart at one and the same time.

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  79. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @LondonBob
    Why should I be interested in countering Islam?

    Well Bob , you are a Muslim so certainly you would not be interested in countering Islam.

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  80. @Ali Choudhury
    I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

    You need to look at bit more carefully — Roma are genetically closer to northern Indians than Europeans. They migrated to Europe from northern India.

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  81. Mr. Anon says:

    Theresa May’s Ratchet

    Nurse Ratchet

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  82. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    It’s been nigh on 70 years since the first cargo of uninvited unwelcome and unwanted third world immigrants imposed themselves upon Britain.
    After the elapse of that ‘three-score and ten’ the UK government laments the various social pathologies attributed to that population. The strong implication is that these pathologies will *never* vanish, indeed only get worse with the increase to majority status of the pathological population.
    Also to be taken for granted is that the last white Englishman living in England, whenever he ‘pegs it’ will have the entirety of the scorn and blame for the ethnic dysfunction heaped in his head due to the fact of his mere existence.
    A truly terrible terrible state of affairs, fit only for the most demented, sadistic, fanatical masochist, alas fully avoidable with a few judicious immigration and nationality laws.

    Poland and Hungary, please ‘note bene’.

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  83. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Ali Choudhury
    I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

    ‘Real’ Roma from Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia etc are virtually indistinguishable from the low caste Indian populations they descended from 800 years ago.

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  84. Mr. Anon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. "

    They've formed quite a few (National Front, BNP, EDL), but students chucked rocks at their demonstrations*, their parties have been denied bank accounts, their activists sacked, and well funded and organised campaigns have persuaded enough people that they're BadWhites to mean it'll be too late before they see the light.

    And there's nothing a middle-class Brit likes better these days than sitting in some white, rural fastness while tut-tutting at all those awful white people who actually live with diversity and aren't fans.

    This weekend several thousand white people marched peacefully in London against Islamist terror, but it wasn't reported in the BBC or Guardian.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958848/Thousands-football-fans-march-against-terror-London.html

    * and these days something like 45% of young Brits go to university, clocking up huge debts to be indoctrinated (by people who hate them).

    So – exactly what Cagey Best said – bourgeois anglo-saxons seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups.

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    Sadly true, the only united front they can form is one with other racial groups against their own.
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  85. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Bourgeois Anglos seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups. "

    They've formed quite a few (National Front, BNP, EDL), but students chucked rocks at their demonstrations*, their parties have been denied bank accounts, their activists sacked, and well funded and organised campaigns have persuaded enough people that they're BadWhites to mean it'll be too late before they see the light.

    And there's nothing a middle-class Brit likes better these days than sitting in some white, rural fastness while tut-tutting at all those awful white people who actually live with diversity and aren't fans.

    This weekend several thousand white people marched peacefully in London against Islamist terror, but it wasn't reported in the BBC or Guardian.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4958848/Thousands-football-fans-march-against-terror-London.html

    * and these days something like 45% of young Brits go to university, clocking up huge debts to be indoctrinated (by people who hate them).

    and these days something like 45% of young Brits go to university, clocking up huge debts to be indoctrinated (by people who hate them).

    I’m certain the self-styled technocratic, managerial class of the 1960s knew precisely that’s what they were up to when they massively expanded the post-secondary education systems across the West. The majority of them, I’m sure, had good intentions but the creepy “persuasive technology” types knew they needed to steal away the postwar generation of potential troublemakers from their working class parents or things could go badly for the Establishment. The pop culture strongly encouraged this generation gap. The resentful son-in-laws in the old Brit TV series, Till Death Us Do Part and the US rip-off of it, All In The Family were presented as a heroes for being a perpetual students who parrot all the right opinions, rather than traitors to their own kind.

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  86. @Ali Choudhury
    I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

    East European Roma certainly aren’t, many of them look quite subcontinental. Definitely not standard European white (even though many of them may have somewhat mixed ancestry, and the whiter-looking ones occasionally pass into the general population).

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    East European Roma certainly aren’t, many of them look quite subcontinental.
     
    And many look very subcontinental. When they first started blessing us with their presence I had no idea who they were, assumed they were from Asia. Which they are of course.

    The Gypsies long resident in Britain/Ireland no longer resemble them much at all though they must have started off as part of the same group. I'm guessing 'our' Gypsies have had a degree of interbreeding with the indigenous population as well as some cultural assimilation.
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  87. Sue D. Nim says: • Website

    From the London Evening Standard a.k.a. the London Evening Stabbings

    Rapper Crispin Siddon was armed with large comb when he was stabbed to death at barbers, court hears

    An alleged murder victim was only carrying a large comb when he was fatally stabbed in a fight at a barbershop in north-west London, a court heard.

    Crispin Siddon, 34, was repeatedly jabbed with a Swiss Army-style penknife by Anthony Allen, the Old Bailey heard.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rapper-crispin-siddon-was-armed-with-large-comb-when-he-was-stabbed-to-death-at-north-west-london-a3654346.html

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    Monty Python's Flying Circus.

    Or rather Tony Blair's Multi-Racial Circus.
    , @Anonymous
    The London 'Evening Standard'.

    Owned by a dodgy Russian oligarch.
    Edited by a dodgier full-blown globalist failed chancellor.
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  88. Lurker says:
    @Maj. Kong
    The US moral panic over menthol in cigarettes was largely fueled by their consumption by blacks.

    I would guess that EU law bans menthol as an additive.

    Menthol cigarettes are available in the UK but I’ve only ever known one person who smoked them.

    Looking further I see they are soon to be banned though:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/menthol-cigarettes-soon-banned-process-9990354

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  89. Lurker says:
    @German_reader
    East European Roma certainly aren't, many of them look quite subcontinental. Definitely not standard European white (even though many of them may have somewhat mixed ancestry, and the whiter-looking ones occasionally pass into the general population).

    East European Roma certainly aren’t, many of them look quite subcontinental.

    And many look very subcontinental. When they first started blessing us with their presence I had no idea who they were, assumed they were from Asia. Which they are of course.

    The Gypsies long resident in Britain/Ireland no longer resemble them much at all though they must have started off as part of the same group. I’m guessing ‘our’ Gypsies have had a degree of interbreeding with the indigenous population as well as some cultural assimilation.

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    Cousin of mine married a Yorkshire lad. Gypsy mum/Tyke dad, and he looks exactly like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. She looked like the young Agnetha Faltskog when she married, but blonder and paler. Doubt he's ever seen the sun more than a couple of weeks in his entire life, still near as dark as Henderson's Relish. Their (shedload of) kids are all black-haired but enormously tall (he's tiny, and so's she), stout (as in strong, not fat) and very pale-skinned.
    There's a sackload of ginger in her (our) side of the family all over, otherwise blond or light brown, we're not that tall, and the colour of yogurt. Wiped out forever by stronk Gypsy genetics, it appears. I wonder when they'll put us in a zoo for our future Chinese landlords to gawk and point at.
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  90. Lurker says:
    @Mr. Anon
    So - exactly what Cagey Best said - bourgeois anglo-saxons seem incapable of forming a united front against other ethnic groups.

    Sadly true, the only united front they can form is one with other racial groups against their own.

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  91. Chinese pupils excelled at primary school, with 71% reaching the expected standard for reading, writing and maths, compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils, 51% of black children, and 13% of white Gypsy and Traveller children.

    Does “Indian background” also include Pakistan and Bangladesh?

    54% reaching the expected standard seems awfully low, unless expectations are completely out of whack with reality. However this may just be Guardian reporting language, and one would want to know more about exactly how the “expected” standard is calculated.

    - 9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).

    Do I need to point out that it is completely illegal for 15-year-olds to smoke anything in the UK, so we are talking about millions of crimes being committed in relation to the sale of tobacco products to children, lack of parental supervision, etc., and this seems like an extraordinarily high percentage. The black kids might not be smoking as much tobacco, but I doubt if they are completely immune to the temptations of ganja.

    There is actually a fuller version of the report here,

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650723/RDAweb.pdf

    though even this one seems to be dumbed down for public consumption and to get more interesting details, you need to go here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/

    From a brief scan, it appears that Indian and Pakistani children are in different categories, and that these results relate only to publicly funded schools, almost certainly meaning that the numbers do not include most of the brightest and most affluent white children, of whom a disproportionate number will be attending privately funded schools.

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    "https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650723/RDAweb.pdf
    though even this one seems to be dumbed down for public consumption and to get more interesting details, you need to go here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/
    From a brief scan, it appears that Indian and Pakistani children are in different categories, and that these results relate only to publicly funded schools, almost certainly meaning that the numbers do not include most of the brightest and most affluent white children, of whom a disproportionate number will be attending privately funded schools."

    After looking at that detailed site a bit I've found something interesting. It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here that the Pakistanis are the lowest of the low in Britain. In educational terms, however, Pakistani students don't seem *that* bad, below Indians, and somewhat below whites, but generally better than black Caribbeans.
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  92. Lurker says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

    At one time the BBC made heroic efforts to conflate Roma and Romanians but they seem to have given up now. No one could fail to pick out Roma from a line up of random Brits or other Europeans.

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    That is good news! Romanians get quite defensive and resentful because of this sleight of hand!
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  93. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous
    The report is positively *crowing* about the elevated unemployment rates of 'ethnic minorities'.

    That's strange. Reports from Economist-wing of the diversity industry usually stress how 'vitally important' it is for Britain to import an infinite number of 'ethnic minorities'. Apparently, they have a work ethic which will not only 'save Britain' but also 'pay white people's pensions'.
    But, curiously, here we have a much trumpeted 'official' report with Theresa May's premature on it, shouting out the economic uselessness of Britain's ethnic minorities.
    Literally a case of the right hand of the diversity industry not knowing what the left hand doing.

    But, if you always start out from the premise that the chief function of the divert industry is to bash whites, white men in particular, in any way, shape or form possible, all the self-contradictions make sense.

    Indeed and I frequently pull these two points together.

    They’re here not to do the work white people won’t do.

    Also, if it’s somehow impossible to get 100 unemployed white people to do a particular job how is it going to be any easier to get the 120 non-white people who are also not doing the job, to do it?

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  94. RT – War Brides. Soddery Grey Witch MayVot is the cancer of humanity. CulrMarx typical dumb fembot pol. Every White Man in GB laughed at hag choking. Reason I didn’t vote.

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  95. EdwardM says:

    minority ethnic women hardest hit by austerity

    So the population that benefits most from government largesse suffers the greatest impact when government largesse shrinks? Imagine that.

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  96. syonredux says:

    data goes beyond breaking down figures by colour, delving into differences between a variety of ethnic groups. Chinese pupils excelled at primary school, with 71% reaching the expected standard for reading, writing and maths, compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils, 51% of black children, and 13% of white Gypsy and Traveller children.

    Well, at least Blacks are outperforming Gypsies and Travelers……

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  97. Ed says:

    What does “conservative” actually mean in the British context?

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    What does “conservative” actually mean in the British context?
     
    More on the side of business and landowners and less on the side of employees. Favoring lower taxation on individuals and businesses and less social services, but if social services have to exist, should be provided by private enterprise rather than by civil servants. In favor of home ownership rather than government housing. Being a landlord rather than a renter. In favor of private schools. In favor of traditional British sports and pastimes such as cricket, golf, tennis, and rugby, hunting on horseback, horseracing. Goes to church Easter, Christmas, weddings, funerals, Christenings. Likes Royal Family. Watches Queen's Speech on TV on Christmas Day.

    Likes Marmite and Marmelade, but never Margarine.
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  98. NickG says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Nick, a long time ago there was a Revolution against things like this. Do they teach that in your schools?

    Nick, a long time ago there was a Revolution against things like this. Do they teach that in your schools?

    I doubt it.

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  99. Thea says:

    The west gets the basest of all possible leaders because it has turned its collective back on God.

    People stopped considering a higher purpose than the material world, thought they could control childbirth but allow sexuality to run free with no restraint. There is a good reason our ancestors regulated behavior between young men and women. They too had reasons for vehement debates about the nature of God. It was a topic of common public discussion for generations on Englishmen.

    These cravens and perverts are there on high as punishment.

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    "There is a good reason our ancestors regulated behavior between young men and women."

    Pregnancy, but there'll be another good reason soon. Sexually transmitted disease levels are at record highs and the docs are running out of antibiotics. Other risks include urinary tract infections which turn to sepsis and can put a young woman in intensive care or worse.

    https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/basic.htm

    In 1993, ciprofloxacin, a fluoroquinolone, and cephalosporins ceftriaxone and cefixime were the recommended treatments for gonorrhea. However, in the late 1990s and early 2000s, ciprofloxacin resistance was detected in Hawaii and the West Coast, and by 2004 ciprofloxacin resistance was detected among men who have sex with men (MSM) with gonorrhea. By 2006, 13.8% of isolates exhibited resistance to ciprofloxacin, and ciprofloxacin resistance was present in all regions of the country, and in the heterosexual population. On April 13, 2007, CDC stopped recommending fluoroquinolones as empiric treatment for gonococcal infections for all people in the United States. The cephalosporins, either cefixime or ceftriaxone, were the only remaining recommended treatments.

    Similar to trends observed elsewhere in the world, CDC has observed recent worrisome trends of decreasing cephalosporin susceptibility, especially to the oral cephalosporin cefixime.
     
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  100. res says:
    @Tim Howells

    9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).
     
    Right. Based on self-reports no doubt.

    That is a high ratio, but in the US white high school students smoke a fair bit more than blacks: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/disparities/african-americans/index.htm
    The statistical meat is in Table 1 at https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6414a3.htm?s_cid=mm6414a3
    One interesting thing in that data is that blacks prefer cigars.

    British numbers are probably skewed by a higher proportion of black immigrants.

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  101. @Ed
    What does "conservative" actually mean in the British context?

    What does “conservative” actually mean in the British context?

    More on the side of business and landowners and less on the side of employees. Favoring lower taxation on individuals and businesses and less social services, but if social services have to exist, should be provided by private enterprise rather than by civil servants. In favor of home ownership rather than government housing. Being a landlord rather than a renter. In favor of private schools. In favor of traditional British sports and pastimes such as cricket, golf, tennis, and rugby, hunting on horseback, horseracing. Goes to church Easter, Christmas, weddings, funerals, Christenings. Likes Royal Family. Watches Queen’s Speech on TV on Christmas Day.

    Likes Marmite and Marmelade, but never Margarine.

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  102. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sue D. Nim
    From the London Evening Standard a.k.a. the London Evening Stabbings

    Rapper Crispin Siddon was armed with large comb when he was stabbed to death at barbers, court hears

    An alleged murder victim was only carrying a large comb when he was fatally stabbed in a fight at a barbershop in north-west London, a court heard.

    Crispin Siddon, 34, was repeatedly jabbed with a Swiss Army-style penknife by Anthony Allen, the Old Bailey heard.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rapper-crispin-siddon-was-armed-with-large-comb-when-he-was-stabbed-to-death-at-north-west-london-a3654346.html

    Monty Python’s Flying Circus.

    Or rather Tony Blair’s Multi-Racial Circus.

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  103. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sue D. Nim
    From the London Evening Standard a.k.a. the London Evening Stabbings

    Rapper Crispin Siddon was armed with large comb when he was stabbed to death at barbers, court hears

    An alleged murder victim was only carrying a large comb when he was fatally stabbed in a fight at a barbershop in north-west London, a court heard.

    Crispin Siddon, 34, was repeatedly jabbed with a Swiss Army-style penknife by Anthony Allen, the Old Bailey heard.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rapper-crispin-siddon-was-armed-with-large-comb-when-he-was-stabbed-to-death-at-north-west-london-a3654346.html

    The London ‘Evening Standard’.

    Owned by a dodgy Russian oligarch.
    Edited by a dodgier full-blown globalist failed chancellor.

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  104. Fredrik says:
    @Detective Club
    Mrs. May has been Prime Minister for only 15 months. She has somehow managed to make her time in office pass as if it were 15 years. No small feat that, even in the annals of British politics.

    Rees-Mogg would have to explain why he caves over Brexit.

    Brexit is the only reason May is still around. The others know, or should know, they need a scapegoat once the negotiations have failed.

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  105. notanon says:

    it’s all lies

    even if you leave out all the racial/ethnic differences there’s also the simple class element. the majority of immigrants were imported for cheap labor so there’s a class disparity which distorts all the stats.

    as the stats average blue collar and white collar if one group (e.g. white) is say 1/2 white collar and 1/2 blue collar and one group is 1/4 white collar and 3/4 blue collar then the two *averages* will be different.

    the difference in the average is then used to discriminate against the white blue collar population leading to their eventual extinction (at which point the same argument is then applied to the lower half of the white collar population and the process repeats – gradual extinction and replacement from the bottom up).

    in Europe the process is still mainly focused on the blue collar population. in the US the process is at the point where half the white collar population is now being targeted (although in the US a significant amount of the white blue collar population survived the first stage in rural areas).

    Western civilization is being drowned in lies.

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  106. notanon says:
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    Theresa May is good on countering Islam.

    total opposite of the truth.

    the only counter to Islam is immigration control and she is a typical “conservative” open borders shill for the cheap labor lobby.

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  107. Broski says:

    OT, certain commenters disputed my assertion in the Weinstein thread that Jews have a stereotype for lechery. From the (Jewish) Tablet: The Specifically Jewy Perviness of Harvey Weinstein

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein

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    From the linked Tablet piece

    "All those years craving unattainable Gentiles, but never before the means to entice them... It goes without saying that nearly every one of these women—Rose McGowan, Ambra Batillana, Laura Madden, Ashley Judd, etc.—was a Gentile, all the better to feed Weinstein’s revenge-tinged fantasy of having risen above his outer-borough, bridge-and-tunnel Semitic origins. "

    It's reminiscent of Wolfe's fictional DA Kramer and his unrequited lust for those dirty Italian girls.

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  108. notanon says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4411913/just-one-in-five-muslims-are-in-work-as-report-finds-they-are-held-back-by-racism/

    they’re neither held back by racism or unemployed – they are working in the shadow economy while claiming welfare at the same time.

    people from that part of the world are totally corrupt because they come from societies where the govt is totally corrupt so avoiding tax and ripping off the system are *normal* behavior.

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  109. notanon says:
    @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    they don’t actually attend school much and they don’t need education as they make their living from stealing or scamming elderly people living on their own in rural areas with no protection.

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  110. notanon says:
    @Flip
    Gypsy/Roma are white?

    Irish Travelers are very white (apart from the multi-generational 1st cousin marriage)

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    Irish Travellers have undergone a very strong "boiling off" of educational talent, since a proportion leave the community in each generation and join the Settled community. The ones who leave are more compatible with the Settled lifestyle (education and steady work) and less with the Traveller lifestyle. This gives rise, even over only 5-10 generations, in a concentration of particular genotypes within the community. Greg Cochrane wrote about the same "boiling off" effect (favouring different genotypes) among the US Amish.
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  111. Fredrik says:
    @songbird
    I really wish that some honest numbers would come out of Sweden. Liberals still love Sweden. It is probably the most egalitarian and welfare-loving country in the world, but we all know that no amount of welfare can fully remediate social differences between groups. And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it's time for some sunlight.

    And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.

    Sweden is whiter than the Dakotas…

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US) the country is still 90% white.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week. And that said africans steal all the hot girls. It’s still annoying to read. US and UK are much worse off than my own country. Our problem is that our leaders want to be you.

    Do you understand? They want to be like you.

    Since people really don’t know much they of course don’t know that things are changing over here.

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    Changing in the right direction?
    Please enlighten us, because most of us certainly do know that your leaders are at least as traitorous as our own.
    So if a counter-revolution is showing signs of life, let us know. We need cheering up.
    , @StillCARealist
    The hot girls that Africans are stealing aren't girls you'd want for your sons anyway. Good wives and mothers they will never be. Go for a guy who likes trashy women and sure enough, he'll treat you like trash... thrown out every so often.
    , @ben tillman

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US)
     
    Det är de inte.

    They most certainly are not white in the US.
     
    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week.

    Det gör vi inte.


    And that said africans steal all the hot girls.
     
    Det gör de inte. For the most part, they take advantage of vulnerable 13/14/15-year-olds and then (usually) unattractive/troubled/skanky/fat older teens. To be sure, however, they do find some hot adults.
    , @ben tillman
    Screwed up the blockquoting. Corrected (I hope):

    Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US)

     

    Det är de inte. They most certainly are not white in the US.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week.

     

    Det gör vi inte.

    And that said africans steal all the hot girls.
     
    Det gör de inte. For the most part, they take advantage of vulnerable 13/14/15/16-year-olds and then (usually) unattractive/troubled/skanky/fat older teens. To be sure, however,some of them are able to find a few hot adult white women who are interested. The main problem, though, is that they essentially rape, impregnate, and ruin so many girls under the age of 17.
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  112. @Thea
    The west gets the basest of all possible leaders because it has turned its collective back on God.

    People stopped considering a higher purpose than the material world, thought they could control childbirth but allow sexuality to run free with no restraint. There is a good reason our ancestors regulated behavior between young men and women. They too had reasons for vehement debates about the nature of God. It was a topic of common public discussion for generations on Englishmen.

    These cravens and perverts are there on high as punishment.

    “There is a good reason our ancestors regulated behavior between young men and women.”

    Pregnancy, but there’ll be another good reason soon. Sexually transmitted disease levels are at record highs and the docs are running out of antibiotics. Other risks include urinary tract infections which turn to sepsis and can put a young woman in intensive care or worse.

    https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/basic.htm

    In 1993, ciprofloxacin, a fluoroquinolone, and cephalosporins ceftriaxone and cefixime were the recommended treatments for gonorrhea. However, in the late 1990s and early 2000s, ciprofloxacin resistance was detected in Hawaii and the West Coast, and by 2004 ciprofloxacin resistance was detected among men who have sex with men (MSM) with gonorrhea. By 2006, 13.8% of isolates exhibited resistance to ciprofloxacin, and ciprofloxacin resistance was present in all regions of the country, and in the heterosexual population. On April 13, 2007, CDC stopped recommending fluoroquinolones as empiric treatment for gonococcal infections for all people in the United States. The cephalosporins, either cefixime or ceftriaxone, were the only remaining recommended treatments.

    Similar to trends observed elsewhere in the world, CDC has observed recent worrisome trends of decreasing cephalosporin susceptibility, especially to the oral cephalosporin cefixime.

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  113. notanon says:
    @helena
    yes because neomarxism has succeeded in bypassing democracy, as it always does by using tricks. The trick was to take cultural issues out of the political arena and into a newly formed moral arena, (western values), in which all political parties must now exist. Anything outside that arena is r, f, n, h, as.

    yes – while fools like Thatcher and Reagan fought the economic battle, Marxists fought and won the culture war which trumps economics.

    instead of destroying the industrial unions (which were the only thing holding back the Marxists) they should have destroyed the teaching unions.

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  114. notanon says:
    @Alec Leamas
    It never ceases to amaze that nations without the U.S.'s historical vibrancy challenges nevertheless themselves import vibrants and then ape our self-flaggelation like it's some sort of fashion.

    Wouldn't you take from the American experience a reticence to recreate all that sort of trouble in your own nations?

    i’d say the importing of a race problem was partly caused by the US experience. SJW types watch Hollywood “evil redneck” movies and it triggers their virtue signalling genes.

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  115. notanon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    "Pretty much the same statistical results in the UK as the US but without the legacy of slavery to blame. Curious."

    Not quite so curious, as the main black population in the UK are "of Afro-Caribbean heritage" i.e. forebears were slaves. Lately though the UK seems to have no border controls to keep Africans out, so we have "interesting" groups who impress the Afro-Caribbeans with their innovative violence levels.

    In the words of a black London street-gang member – “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”.

    What advantage does the next level bring? “Power, status, girls, especially girls.”

    one of the things a lot of people don’t know is although there are some girls who are genuinely attracted to the “gangsta” type, most teenage girls in gang ruled areas don’t get a choice – lots of gang rape but also lots of intimidation sex.

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  116. Matra says:
    @22pp22
    Theresa May's administration is falling apart. She is ambushed by her enemies all the time. During a speech when she couldn't stop coughing someone handed her a P45 form. That is a document you are given when you lose your voice.

    The sharks are circling.

    Jacob Reese-Mogg has attracted a lot of favorable comment, but I think the job will go to someone less "controversial".

    He is a devout Catholic with six kids. The Tories are nothing if not PC, but depend for their survival on the Ulster Protestants who are anything but PC and might balk at being ruled by someone quite that Popish.

    Jacob Reese-Mogg has attracted a lot of favorable comment, but I think the job will go to someone less “controversial”.

    He is a devout Catholic with six kids. The Tories are nothing if not PC, but depend for their survival on the Ulster Protestants who are anything but PC and might balk at being ruled by someone quite that Popish.

    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it’s just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic. Right now DUP leaders are more concerned about the tariffs the US recently slapped on Bombardier than with any Tory leadership issues.

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    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it’s just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic.
     
    I'm not there, but I could imagine that the old flare ups between papists and protestants has come down several notches as the Church of England slowly turns into a shadow of it's former self.

    I've read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.
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  117. prosa123 says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Chinese pupils excelled at primary school, with 71% reaching the expected standard for reading, writing and maths, compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils, 51% of black children, and 13% of white Gypsy and Traveller children.
     
    Does "Indian background" also include Pakistan and Bangladesh?

    54% reaching the expected standard seems awfully low, unless expectations are completely out of whack with reality. However this may just be Guardian reporting language, and one would want to know more about exactly how the "expected" standard is calculated.


    - 9.2% of white 15-year-olds smoked in 2014-15, almost four times the proportion of black teenagers (2.4%).
     
    Do I need to point out that it is completely illegal for 15-year-olds to smoke anything in the UK, so we are talking about millions of crimes being committed in relation to the sale of tobacco products to children, lack of parental supervision, etc., and this seems like an extraordinarily high percentage. The black kids might not be smoking as much tobacco, but I doubt if they are completely immune to the temptations of ganja.

    There is actually a fuller version of the report here,

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650723/RDAweb.pdf


    though even this one seems to be dumbed down for public consumption and to get more interesting details, you need to go here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/

    From a brief scan, it appears that Indian and Pakistani children are in different categories, and that these results relate only to publicly funded schools, almost certainly meaning that the numbers do not include most of the brightest and most affluent white children, of whom a disproportionate number will be attending privately funded schools.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650723/RDAweb.pdf
    though even this one seems to be dumbed down for public consumption and to get more interesting details, you need to go here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/
    From a brief scan, it appears that Indian and Pakistani children are in different categories, and that these results relate only to publicly funded schools, almost certainly meaning that the numbers do not include most of the brightest and most affluent white children, of whom a disproportionate number will be attending privately funded schools.”

    After looking at that detailed site a bit I’ve found something interesting. It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here that the Pakistanis are the lowest of the low in Britain. In educational terms, however, Pakistani students don’t seem *that* bad, below Indians, and somewhat below whites, but generally better than black Caribbeans.

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    It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here that the Pakistanis are the lowest of the low in Britain.
     
    Social problems caused by immigration tend to cluster around specific causes: low IQ, clannishness / corruption, propensity for violence etc.

    The Pakistani issues are mostly around the clannishness.
    , @LondonBob
    Afro-Carribbeans are completely dysfunctional, but they aren't Muslim so escape criticism. A friend of mine lives in Saudi, used to live in Tanzania, he much prefers Saudi.
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  118. @helena
    I listen to LBC radio every morning. It is an education in how the narrative is constructed through the distortion of meaning by using comparison and statistics selectively, portraying statistical modelling as scientific fact, ignoring objective criteria. An example from today to illustrate the point. Wienstein was presented as 'have you had a 'Weinstein moment' with your boss?'. There were no cries of misogyny, as there were over the Trump incident. In fact, the show continued by listing all the claims made against Trump, and at that point the term sex attack was introduced. It is quite fascinating to listen to the process, if utterly depressing to think that people are swayed by what they are hearing.

    Are you one of James O’Brien’s toxic box of trolls? What’s his other favourite word? Bovine.

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  119. notanon says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

    Irish travelers are white, UK gypsies (once Roma) are very mixed (half-white maybe) but full Roma from eastern Europe look south Asian – so it depends.

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  120. British Prime Minister Theresa May is an untrustworthy hag who puts more thought into her shoe selection for the day than she does for immigration policy and its implications. Theresa May is a shoe-obsessed politician whore who treasonously allowed Britain to be flooded with foreigners while she was home secretary in the Cameron administration.

    It is time for the Tories to lower the boom on this filthy witch Theresa May and send that treasonous bitch off on her broom.

    President Trump should make it known that Theresa May has made herself unworthy of continuation as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Theresa May supports open borders mass immigration and multicultural mayhem. Theresa May has made it impossible for the patriotic people of Britain to criticize the immigration policy of both Tories and Labour and the other parties. Theresa May makes mere peasants of once proud Britons by disallowing necessary criticisms of immigration policy and the Human Bio-Diversity it drags into the United Kingdom.

    Theresa May is a mangy cat lady extraordinaire who drags the dregs of the earth back to Britain and then, under threat of a dastardly anti-free speech law, punishes any Brit who points out the great difference in intelligence and culture of the dragged in invaders.

    President Trump must Tweet out the doom of that treasonous nation-wrecking cat lady bitch in Britain, Theresa May.

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    Yes, but in the meantime we rely on that ghastly, incompetent, liberal cat-lady to get us out of the EU, without which we are sunk. With Brexit we at least have a chance, albeit small. If May's government collapses I can see Brexit not happening.

    So I stand by Mrs May, warts, carbuncles, festering sores, suppurating open wounds and all.
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  121. notanon says:
    @Tmanz

    Chinese pupils excelled at primary school, with 71% reaching the expected standard for reading, writing and maths, compared with 65% of children from an Indian background, 54% of white British pupils, 51% of black children, and 13% of white Gypsy and Traveller children.
     
    The white/black non-gap here is very strange. Perhaps it's all due to language difficulties from Eastern Europeans included among the students, as suggested above. Or maybe smart white kids are in other types of schools not covered here. Or maybe Britain has a very regressive culture for working-class whites.

    I'd like to know the answer.

    private tutors.

    the schools dumbed down to close the black-white gap so now the only kids who can possibly do well are the ones whose parents pay for private tutors.

    the number of parents using private tutors has gone up to c. 40% in the big cities but the proportions vary greatly by class and ethnicity with south and east asians doing it most.

    private tutors are the UK version of home schooling.

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  122. Matra says:

    So bring on the affirmative action.

    That’s an Americanism. In Britain it is called positive discrimination.

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  123. notanon says:
    @prosa123
    "https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650723/RDAweb.pdf
    though even this one seems to be dumbed down for public consumption and to get more interesting details, you need to go here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/
    From a brief scan, it appears that Indian and Pakistani children are in different categories, and that these results relate only to publicly funded schools, almost certainly meaning that the numbers do not include most of the brightest and most affluent white children, of whom a disproportionate number will be attending privately funded schools."

    After looking at that detailed site a bit I've found something interesting. It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here that the Pakistanis are the lowest of the low in Britain. In educational terms, however, Pakistani students don't seem *that* bad, below Indians, and somewhat below whites, but generally better than black Caribbeans.

    It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here that the Pakistanis are the lowest of the low in Britain.

    Social problems caused by immigration tend to cluster around specific causes: low IQ, clannishness / corruption, propensity for violence etc.

    The Pakistani issues are mostly around the clannishness.

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  124. Svigor says:

    - Black men are more likely to be found guilty at crown court, with 112 sentenced to custody for every 100 white men.

    So they’re dragging innocent White men into court a lot more frequently than Black men?

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  125. Svigor says:

    The discrimination-based argument just fails entirely to explain this data.

    How so? White Brits discriminate against some groups and in favor of others, varying according to the statistic being observed. If you object to this, you’re obviously a racist White Brit, or a non-White with false consciousness. /leftism

    So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.

    How can racism ever be “best”? In countries where one can openly state that reality is racist, I mean. /leftism

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  126. lavoisier says: • Website
    @NickG

    And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.
     
    I'm an Englishman, currently in the UK - we have no first amendment protection. Non PC views can see you prosecuted for hate-speech.

    Blank-slatism is official state dogma, ergo any inequality of outcome between favoured identity politics groups - people of hue, wymyn, Muslims, homosexuals and native males is, ipso facto, a marker for a rigged system. We will need more quotas.

    No dissent will be countenanced - the great and good will come after you with the full force of the law and the mob will unperson you.

    The UK definition of a hate crime allows for suitably capricious enforcement:


    any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.
     
    Solicitor General speech on Hate Crime

    “We hold these truths to be self evident: All men are created equal. ”

    To abide by this axiom, one must ignore evolution by natural selection.

    It is now official government dogma that evolution by natural selection does not apply to human beings. Dissent from this dogma is heresy and punishable by the State.

    I feel so sorry for Steve. He has been writing about this subject for years and has been exposed to many lifetimes worth of stupidity.

    I do not expect Theresa May to even consider the possibility that biology could play any role in the disparities recorded.

    It is only a matter of time before noticing disparities in outcomes will be considered racist.

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  127. @Fredrik

    And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.
     
    Sweden is whiter than the Dakotas...

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US) the country is still 90% white.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week. And that said africans steal all the hot girls. It's still annoying to read. US and UK are much worse off than my own country. Our problem is that our leaders want to be you.

    Do you understand? They want to be like you.

    Since people really don't know much they of course don't know that things are changing over here.

    Changing in the right direction?
    Please enlighten us, because most of us certainly do know that your leaders are at least as traitorous as our own.
    So if a counter-revolution is showing signs of life, let us know. We need cheering up.

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    Yes, things are changing in the right direction. Politicians and media are doubling down on the propaganda but it's becoming obvious there is panic on that side. The Sweden democrats have almost doubled in size in the opinion polls since the last election and more and more people are open among friends, family and co-workers at least. I'd still be careful to tell someone I didn't know but lots of people know where I stand. I'm not alone.

    There is also more and more talk on the 'respectable' right side how to deal with the immigrant problem. Housing, welfare and such for immigrants is now controversial. The incompetence of the police has been for a while. Most of the left is still in denial but I know for sure that many of the older males on that side share the same concerns as many on the right.


    This site tracks Sweden Democrats' poll numbers. Last election was Sep 14 where they had 12.86% of votes. Do compare with the polls and draw your own conclusions for this year.

    http://status.st/
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  128. @LondonBob
    Gypsy should be in the Indian category surely?

    Lots of little tricks do get played with these stats like that, should the many worthless degrees Africans study, often to get into the country, be worth as much as a Russell Group degree.

    The Gypsys we saw in Italy, begging, looked like Asian Indians crossed with American Indians. Their “look I’m disabled!” posturing was almost comical. What a life.

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  129. bomag says:
    @NickG

    And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.
     
    I'm an Englishman, currently in the UK - we have no first amendment protection. Non PC views can see you prosecuted for hate-speech.

    Blank-slatism is official state dogma, ergo any inequality of outcome between favoured identity politics groups - people of hue, wymyn, Muslims, homosexuals and native males is, ipso facto, a marker for a rigged system. We will need more quotas.

    No dissent will be countenanced - the great and good will come after you with the full force of the law and the mob will unperson you.

    The UK definition of a hate crime allows for suitably capricious enforcement:


    any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.
     
    Solicitor General speech on Hate Crime

    This is a boot, coming down on a human face…

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  130. @YetAnotherAnon
    Two places where race is reported.

    Census, every 10 years, compulsory to fill in (in theory), not hard to avoid in practice (e.g. if you're illegal). Self-reported ethnicity. Can't remember the exact categories. For whole UK.

    England and Wales schools report the ethnicity of their pupils to the Department of Education either annually or twice a year. AFAIK as defined by their teachers. Hence the "one third of primary school kids are minority" reports.

    Interesting. Thanks.

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  131. Remember we’re talking about a woman who called for an election several years early, although she already had a majority in the House of Commons. Sorta like calling time-outs late in the fourth quarter with the lead, just because you wanna beat the point spread.

    Either she really is that stupid, or she’s a secret agent of the Labour Party. Or the Lib/Dems.

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  132. @Fredrik

    And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.
     
    Sweden is whiter than the Dakotas...

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US) the country is still 90% white.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week. And that said africans steal all the hot girls. It's still annoying to read. US and UK are much worse off than my own country. Our problem is that our leaders want to be you.

    Do you understand? They want to be like you.

    Since people really don't know much they of course don't know that things are changing over here.

    The hot girls that Africans are stealing aren’t girls you’d want for your sons anyway. Good wives and mothers they will never be. Go for a guy who likes trashy women and sure enough, he’ll treat you like trash… thrown out every so often.

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  133. @Charles Pewitt
    British Prime Minister Theresa May is an untrustworthy hag who puts more thought into her shoe selection for the day than she does for immigration policy and its implications. Theresa May is a shoe-obsessed politician whore who treasonously allowed Britain to be flooded with foreigners while she was home secretary in the Cameron administration.

    It is time for the Tories to lower the boom on this filthy witch Theresa May and send that treasonous bitch off on her broom.

    President Trump should make it known that Theresa May has made herself unworthy of continuation as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Theresa May supports open borders mass immigration and multicultural mayhem. Theresa May has made it impossible for the patriotic people of Britain to criticize the immigration policy of both Tories and Labour and the other parties. Theresa May makes mere peasants of once proud Britons by disallowing necessary criticisms of immigration policy and the Human Bio-Diversity it drags into the United Kingdom.

    Theresa May is a mangy cat lady extraordinaire who drags the dregs of the earth back to Britain and then, under threat of a dastardly anti-free speech law, punishes any Brit who points out the great difference in intelligence and culture of the dragged in invaders.

    President Trump must Tweet out the doom of that treasonous nation-wrecking cat lady bitch in Britain, Theresa May.

    Yes, but in the meantime we rely on that ghastly, incompetent, liberal cat-lady to get us out of the EU, without which we are sunk. With Brexit we at least have a chance, albeit small. If May’s government collapses I can see Brexit not happening.

    So I stand by Mrs May, warts, carbuncles, festering sores, suppurating open wounds and all.

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    Nigel Farage says:

    Everyone listening to that interview knows that the reality is that May is still a Remainer. I don’t believe it’s possible to carry out this great, historic change against a huge amount of international criticism unless you truly believe in it. Nor, as it happens, does May: in a speech on June 1 she herself said: “To deliver Brexit you have to believe it”. This is the clearest proof yet that the Great Brexit Betrayal is under way.

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/10/theresa-may-now-eus-stepford-wife-subservient-submissive-every/

    I say:

    Theresa May Must Go.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/917844081232969728
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  134. Issac says:
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    Hows the weather at the Home Office tonight?

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  135. @Broski
    OT, certain commenters disputed my assertion in the Weinstein thread that Jews have a stereotype for lechery. From the (Jewish) Tablet: The Specifically Jewy Perviness of Harvey Weinstein

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein

    From the linked Tablet piece

    “All those years craving unattainable Gentiles, but never before the means to entice them… It goes without saying that nearly every one of these women—Rose McGowan, Ambra Batillana, Laura Madden, Ashley Judd, etc.—was a Gentile, all the better to feed Weinstein’s revenge-tinged fantasy of having risen above his outer-borough, bridge-and-tunnel Semitic origins. “

    It’s reminiscent of Wolfe’s fictional DA Kramer and his unrequited lust for those dirty Italian girls.

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  136. Veracitor says:

    Britons suffered invasion, exploitation, occupation, and partial replacement by Romans 2000 years ago, by Saxons 1600 years ago, by Vikings/Danes 1250 years ago, by Normans 1050 years ago… and by a ragtag coalition of South Asians and Africans during the last 50 years.* Curiously, only the most recent invaders are materially-weaker than the Britons they are conquering. The collapse of Britain in the face of Pakistani pimps and Jamaican gangsters seems to be pure Mancur Olson/Glubb Pasha.

    *I think we may neglect the Picts/Scots/Welsh/etc. who shared the one big island.

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    Britons suffered invasion, exploitation, occupation, and partial replacement by Romans 2000 years ago, by Saxons 1600 years ago, by Vikings/Danes 1250 years ago, by Normans 1050 years ago
     
    Not so much. Since the Beaker Folk Invasion, Britain has been pretty stable in terms of demography:

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/
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  137. notanon says:
    @Jake
    England is Dead Man Walking. England is committing suicide.

    WASP culture is suicidal. Germanic culture is one based on faith in the Gotterdammerung: the DESERVED destruction of everyone and everything, Germanic gods included. That is the most powerful Death Wish that any culture has ever reflected, certainly in its earliest thought.

    WASP culture - which immediately upon forming allied with Jews in order to wage culture war against the vast majority of white Christians it encountered - is a raging imperialist monster with a Death Wish that it cannot shake because cultural suicide is central to its earliest myth.

    WASP culture is suicidal.

    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    weird, huh.

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    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.
     
    Indeed.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Was it though? Was the West feeling sure of itself after two world wars? And wasn't Dissenter Protestant, Yankee republicanism the original "culture of critique"? It sure seemed to define itself in opposition to the rest of us in White Christendom.
    , @Desiderius
    C'mon people - they don't want to kill themselves, they want to kill you.

    That's not suicide.
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  138. Issac says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Just comes to my mind: Jordan B. Petersen has a growing audience in Germany. The quite popular blog Achgut.com, which once ran an article about Steve Sailer, too, features a weekly column by Petersen. So far, no gross negative reactions. He's doing astonishingly well.

    Peterson promotes race denial and warmed-over christian liberalism. It’s little surprise he is unfettered by German authorities.

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    Not so sure about the race denial part of Petersen's thoughts.

    Given that his objections to bill c-16 resonate with many people including transphobic individuals, it is unsurprising that many of his fans are reactionaries, who like and support Peterson for his opposition stance to the bill but also due to his view of IQ being a huge determiner of cognitive ability[8] (which the race realist reactionaries love to cite), his views on the psychological differences between men and women[9] (which the sexist reactionaries all love), sympathetic views towards conservative values,[10] being hugely anti-Marxist[11][12] (because it's not like any other system has caused mass death at all[13]) and for defending Christianity.[14] [15] [16].

    (That's from a webside opposing Petersen, but it's correct).
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  139. @Ali Choudhury
    I am a little surprised to see Roma do that badly. Physicaly they are undistinguishable from non-Roma whites.

    Do you ever meet native Brits in Bradford or wherever you are? Any idea what they look like? That statement gave me a migraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBvG6JOhTs

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  140. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    A police officer once explained to me that criminals from low SES suburbs may not be intelligent but they have “rat cunning”. And having known a multigenerational welfare recipient from a somewhat criminally inclined family, they have been selectively bred to be lazy, but also very good at lying convincingly. They are also quite clannish.

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    Stupidity and ignorance are different things though commonly equated. It's possible to be smart and ignorant, just as it's possible to be educated and dumb.
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  141. Issac says:
    @Jake
    That is because they are culturally suicidal.

    You cannot stop any of this with democracy or with more secularism. You cannot slow it briefly by pitting Jews against Moslems or Moslems against Jews. You cannot slow it briefly by hoping gays will support you against Moslems. Nor can you slow it by submitting to Islamic rule to avoid Queer Theocracy.

    The chickens of the Reformation that encouraged cultural and linguistic Germanics (And that includes Anglo-Saxons) to return to the vomit of their pagan ways of thinking and doing are coming home to roost.

    Every part of Europe, and the colonies of Europe around the globe, faces cultural suicide. The only way out is to repent of the Reformation and embrace Christendom.

    If only you Catholics cared as much about driving out the pestilence of Communism and Pedophilia in your own Church as you did laying the blame at the feet of Protestants, you would see mass conversion to the One True Faith over-night.

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    If only you Catholics cared as much about driving out the pestilence of Communism and Pedophilia in your own Church as you did laying the blame at the feet of Protestants, you would see mass conversion to the One True Faith over-night.
     
    Ha, ha. No, we wouldn't. Communism and pedophilia are only the last 100 years or so. There's 400 years of explaining to do.

    But in any event, I agree that the inside baseball of "Protestants caused this mess" is an incorrect conclusion. People are fallen and civilizations go through periods of decline.

    Even if we were all Catholic, I highly doubt we could have avoided where we are now without some other serious soul searching. The experience of "We're not really Catholic anymore" Ireland attests to that.
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  142. Fredrik says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Changing in the right direction?
    Please enlighten us, because most of us certainly do know that your leaders are at least as traitorous as our own.
    So if a counter-revolution is showing signs of life, let us know. We need cheering up.

    Yes, things are changing in the right direction. Politicians and media are doubling down on the propaganda but it’s becoming obvious there is panic on that side. The Sweden democrats have almost doubled in size in the opinion polls since the last election and more and more people are open among friends, family and co-workers at least. I’d still be careful to tell someone I didn’t know but lots of people know where I stand. I’m not alone.

    There is also more and more talk on the ‘respectable’ right side how to deal with the immigrant problem. Housing, welfare and such for immigrants is now controversial. The incompetence of the police has been for a while. Most of the left is still in denial but I know for sure that many of the older males on that side share the same concerns as many on the right.

    This site tracks Sweden Democrats’ poll numbers. Last election was Sep 14 where they had 12.86% of votes. Do compare with the polls and draw your own conclusions for this year.

    http://status.st/

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    Thanks.

    But let them forget voting the enemy out.

    Something more is now needed, and not only in Sweden.
    , @Pericles
    Election is approaching (September 2018) and the Social Democrats, the ruling party in coalition with the Greens, are running on being tough on immigration. Lol, Prime Minister Löfven is even being compared to Trump in (((one paper))). I'm not sure about the details of this, and it might just be a ruse to head off the deplorable Sweden Democrats, but it does indicate what the electorate cares about.

    Interestingly, the media and other parties haven't complained much about the obvious racism of this either, as far as I know. Even the traitorous Greens. I'd thus guess the internal polls indicate a big tilt against the irresponsible and destructive immigration policies we've had since Reinfeldt.

    The Sweden Democrats, outcasts of parliament, will probably continue to soak up the anti-immigration votes. I expect they will become the second largest party, but I wouldn't say it's entirely impossible that they actually become largest. The systemic shock would be immense and I'm not sure they could form a functioning governing coalition, so things then would get interesting indeed. They should also take the opportunity to recruit talent and sharpen their political programs while they're being studiously ignored. It's not enough to just be the protest vote party, we want you to build that wall and deport them all once you get into power.

    The opposition parties, nominally of the right, are in disarray. They had a coalition which now seems to be fading. The Moderates, the main right party, just changed leadership, getting rid of an uninspiring incompetent woman, but the new guy appears to be just one of those tax proposal bugmen. Nobody cares and they will be wiped out if they don't wise up. The Center party, formerly the farmers' party but now run by Stockholm bugmen with a woman leader rubbing shoulders with the Bilderberg group, seems to be the globalist party. I wonder who will vote for them this time around? Gay pride? The Liberals, almost the definition of straddling left-right in Sweden, appear to be in a coma; they might get some inertia voters but who else? The Christian Democrats were flirting with immigration skepticism some time ago, then drew back from the abyss of non-niceness, and now seem to be drifting.

    The remaining leftwing parties are the ex-communist Left Party, again, probably reliant on nostalgic voters, and the Greens, ambitious globalist ex-communists who, however, embarrassingly almost became a Turkish satellite party a little while ago. They have kept their heads down since then. There is also the spoiler party of Feminist Initiative which drains a couple of percentage points of leftist votes but doesn't get into parliament. I believe their most recent leader, a negro academic, has been charged with various criminal offences from plagiarism and upwards, and resigned. Outlook is dim.

    Most of these parties are just keeping their noses above water and run the risk of disappearing from parliament by just losing a percentage point or two of the vote. Only the Moderates, Sweden Democrats and Social Democrats are large parties.

    When I summarize it like this, by golly it sounds like 2018 will be a showdown between Social Democrats and Sweden Democrats. Still early days though.

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  143. @YetAnotherAnon
    Yes, but in the meantime we rely on that ghastly, incompetent, liberal cat-lady to get us out of the EU, without which we are sunk. With Brexit we at least have a chance, albeit small. If May's government collapses I can see Brexit not happening.

    So I stand by Mrs May, warts, carbuncles, festering sores, suppurating open wounds and all.

    Nigel Farage says:

    Everyone listening to that interview knows that the reality is that May is still a Remainer. I don’t believe it’s possible to carry out this great, historic change against a huge amount of international criticism unless you truly believe in it. Nor, as it happens, does May: in a speech on June 1 she herself said: “To deliver Brexit you have to believe it”. This is the clearest proof yet that the Great Brexit Betrayal is under way.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/10/theresa-may-now-eus-stepford-wife-subservient-submissive-every/

    I say:

    Theresa May Must Go.

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  144. @Lurker

    East European Roma certainly aren’t, many of them look quite subcontinental.
     
    And many look very subcontinental. When they first started blessing us with their presence I had no idea who they were, assumed they were from Asia. Which they are of course.

    The Gypsies long resident in Britain/Ireland no longer resemble them much at all though they must have started off as part of the same group. I'm guessing 'our' Gypsies have had a degree of interbreeding with the indigenous population as well as some cultural assimilation.

    Cousin of mine married a Yorkshire lad. Gypsy mum/Tyke dad, and he looks exactly like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. She looked like the young Agnetha Faltskog when she married, but blonder and paler. Doubt he’s ever seen the sun more than a couple of weeks in his entire life, still near as dark as Henderson’s Relish. Their (shedload of) kids are all black-haired but enormously tall (he’s tiny, and so’s she), stout (as in strong, not fat) and very pale-skinned.
    There’s a sackload of ginger in her (our) side of the family all over, otherwise blond or light brown, we’re not that tall, and the colour of yogurt. Wiped out forever by stronk Gypsy genetics, it appears. I wonder when they’ll put us in a zoo for our future Chinese landlords to gawk and point at.

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    I think the zoo phase will be short lived. Watching a film of Cuba I saw the future. Obvious European features but no 'white' people. European genes will live on but Europeans will be gone; genes appropriated.
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  145. @Arclight
    Anyone else surprised at how similar the figures are for British white and black students?

    You would think the American liberal press would be latching onto the academic information to show that British blacks are doing much better than American blacks. However, as I’ve mentioned before, crime stats are more socially controversial that academic stats, which only educated people are interested in. Highlighting that British blacks also have high crime rates isn’t something American liberals want the general public to be aware of.

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  146. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous
    Really, as far as PC goes there is nothing separating the so-called 'Conservative' Party from the cultural-Marxist tinged Labour Party.

    False. Tories are encouraged to breathe deeply and count to ten before labelling something racist.

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  147. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @helena
    Ed tweets with hbders.

    Anyway, Britain is undergoing another wave of 'move north, southwest, and west'*. Poor old celts, the English are coming. Cornwall has already put restrictions on house purchasing i believe. Yorkshire is tipped to attempt independence.

    *romans and saxons both pushed celts to the fringes

    Indeed, and this is one of the major drivers of Scottish nationalism. The reason the SNP is relaxed about Afro/Asian immigration is that by far most immigration to Scotland comes from England.

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  148. AM says:
    @Matra
    Jacob Reese-Mogg has attracted a lot of favorable comment, but I think the job will go to someone less “controversial”.

    He is a devout Catholic with six kids. The Tories are nothing if not PC, but depend for their survival on the Ulster Protestants who are anything but PC and might balk at being ruled by someone quite that Popish.

    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it's just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic. Right now DUP leaders are more concerned about the tariffs the US recently slapped on Bombardier than with any Tory leadership issues.

    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it’s just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic.

    I’m not there, but I could imagine that the old flare ups between papists and protestants has come down several notches as the Church of England slowly turns into a shadow of it’s former self.

    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.

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    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.
     
    Um....Anglicanism is heresy. That ship-jumping needed to occur 500 years ago in order to be credible. Today it only signifies a desire to avoid the rainbow stole-wearing, openly gay priest.

    The problem with the Catholic Neotraditionalists like George Weigel and presumably yourself, AM, is that they reduce all their theology to its cultural embodiments, and metaphysics or theology as such plays no part in it. If these people whom you've read about actually cared about being correct, they would have abandoned their Anglicanism in their early adulthood like Ronald Knox, which is to say, as soon as they were capable of reflecting upon its theological errors. The fact that they are willing to switch creeds now only to avoid the cultural rot, while doing so is good in itself, actually displays a lack of genuine religious attitude. (Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way, commit an equal and opposite error by stubbornly sticking with the institutional Church despite it having adopted the heresies of Vatican II.) If the implication is that they would have gone happily along with the Church of England as long as she continued to look and act high-church conservative, their principled stand against heresy is less than convincing.
    , @Anon
    Aren't Ulster Prots mostly Presbyterian or other Scots Calvinist?
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  149. LondonBob says:
    @prosa123
    "https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/650723/RDAweb.pdf
    though even this one seems to be dumbed down for public consumption and to get more interesting details, you need to go here: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/
    From a brief scan, it appears that Indian and Pakistani children are in different categories, and that these results relate only to publicly funded schools, almost certainly meaning that the numbers do not include most of the brightest and most affluent white children, of whom a disproportionate number will be attending privately funded schools."

    After looking at that detailed site a bit I've found something interesting. It seems to be the conventional wisdom around here that the Pakistanis are the lowest of the low in Britain. In educational terms, however, Pakistani students don't seem *that* bad, below Indians, and somewhat below whites, but generally better than black Caribbeans.

    Afro-Carribbeans are completely dysfunctional, but they aren’t Muslim so escape criticism. A friend of mine lives in Saudi, used to live in Tanzania, he much prefers Saudi.

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    "A friend of mine lives in Saudi, used to live in Tanzania, he much prefers Saudi."

    You should hear my (Kenyan Asian) optometrist talk on the differences between Indian and African (he's not a fan) societies.

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  150. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

    Dunno. I read Houellebecq’s Submission. That kind of thing happening in Britain doesn’t exactly thrill me….

    Maybe I’m just too Anglo……

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  151. No doubt all the under achievement of the black and brown horde are caused by racism, there can be no other explanation. Obviously the only solution here is Affirmative Action. It’s time to make Oxbridge 100% black and Muslim.

    Superpowers aren’t murdered, they die by suicide. The West is committing suicide with its open borders, identity politics and victimhood mentality, a suicide pact led by George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Jared Kushner, Cuck Schumer, Jewgle, Jew York Times and other prominent Jews in Hollywood, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the Media and Academia(led by the Traitorous Eight aka Ivy League), and bolstered by mindless guilt ridden, Kool-Aid drinking WASPs who form our elite, cucks like the Clintons, Teresa May, Angela Merkel and the entire gender neutral squad running the Swedish parliament.

    No doubt the West has peaked. We peaked before Bush led us into the the pointless war in Iraq. Obama finished the job. Trump might as well change his slogan to Make Israel Great Again, that’s what he’s essentially doing. He’s dragging us into the Syrian war while doing next to nothing other than paying lip service to immigration. The US continues to be relentlessly invaded by all comers from all the third world hellholes, from Latin America to Africa, Mideast, China, Pakistan, India, Southeast Asia, you name it, while Trump spends all his time and energy on a spitting contest with Kim Jong Un and the NFL.

    The future belongs to China, Russia, Iran and all those who oppose the stupidity of the West currently driven by a neocon-libtard coalition, the worst of all worlds. America’s days are numbered, Europe is already too far gone.

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  152. syonredux says:
    @Veracitor
    Britons suffered invasion, exploitation, occupation, and partial replacement by Romans 2000 years ago, by Saxons 1600 years ago, by Vikings/Danes 1250 years ago, by Normans 1050 years ago... and by a ragtag coalition of South Asians and Africans during the last 50 years.* Curiously, only the most recent invaders are materially-weaker than the Britons they are conquering. The collapse of Britain in the face of Pakistani pimps and Jamaican gangsters seems to be pure Mancur Olson/Glubb Pasha.

    *I think we may neglect the Picts/Scots/Welsh/etc. who shared the one big island.

    Britons suffered invasion, exploitation, occupation, and partial replacement by Romans 2000 years ago, by Saxons 1600 years ago, by Vikings/Danes 1250 years ago, by Normans 1050 years ago

    Not so much. Since the Beaker Folk Invasion, Britain has been pretty stable in terms of demography:

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/

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    Even if the multi-culti propaganda were accurate, it hardly follows that just because something happened in the past it must be good to do now. Unless perhaps they want to justify genocide, for example. Which, oddly enough, in a way they do.

    Also, tell your correspondent that the Norman invasion was not 1050 years ago.

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  154. Government study finds regional variation, and separate research suggests minority ethnic women hardest hit by austerity

    In other words, immigrant women (and their children) are the worst welfare leaches.

    You have to be extremely hostile to whites to frame it otherwise.

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  155. And if you explained these disparities, you could get thrown in the jail for your trouble.

    Touche.

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  157. @Fredrik

    And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.
     
    Sweden is whiter than the Dakotas...

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US) the country is still 90% white.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week. And that said africans steal all the hot girls. It's still annoying to read. US and UK are much worse off than my own country. Our problem is that our leaders want to be you.

    Do you understand? They want to be like you.

    Since people really don't know much they of course don't know that things are changing over here.

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US)

    Det är de inte.

    They most certainly are not white in the US.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week.

    Det gör vi inte.

    And that said africans steal all the hot girls.

    Det gör de inte. For the most part, they take advantage of vulnerable 13/14/15-year-olds and then (usually) unattractive/troubled/skanky/fat older teens. To be sure, however, they do find some hot adults.

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  158. Vinteuil says:
    @Anonymous
    Actually, an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place for heterosexual, law abiding white men than a PC/feminista/cultural Marxist run Britain.

    That is if you can put up with the praying and fasting.

    “an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place…”

    Don’t be silly. Slightly better? Maybe one could make the case. But “infinitely?” That’s just crazy.

    Anyway, it’s a false alternative. How about Britain in 1859 – the year The Origin of Species was published?

    What bliss would it have been in that dawn to be alive.

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    I really meant 'perpetual and extreme rule by Hillary Clinton' - surely, *anything* is 'infinitely' better than that.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Perhaps better to have been alive in 1950 - full employment, a health service, decent company pensions, affordable housing, and a low-crime Christian society. If you were lucky you could work your 40 years and retire comfortably.

    On the other hand you'd watch with increasing concern the destruction of the society you grew up in, and the diminishing life prospects for your grandchildren (if any), whereas our 1859 Brit could look back in 1900 on years of improvement (hard-fought for).
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  159. @Fredrik

    And whites are already close to becoming a minority there, so I think it’s time for some sunlight.
     
    Sweden is whiter than the Dakotas...

    Most immigrants to Sweden would be white in the US. Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US) the country is still 90% white.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week. And that said africans steal all the hot girls. It's still annoying to read. US and UK are much worse off than my own country. Our problem is that our leaders want to be you.

    Do you understand? They want to be like you.

    Since people really don't know much they of course don't know that things are changing over here.

    Screwed up the blockquoting. Corrected (I hope):

    Even with the recent influx of Arabs(who of course are white in the US)

    Det är de inte. They most certainly are not white in the US.

    I understand Sweden is used as a meme by some people to try to forget they idolize africans every week.

    Det gör vi inte.

    And that said africans steal all the hot girls.

    Det gör de inte. For the most part, they take advantage of vulnerable 13/14/15/16-year-olds and then (usually) unattractive/troubled/skanky/fat older teens. To be sure, however,some of them are able to find a few hot adult white women who are interested. The main problem, though, is that they essentially rape, impregnate, and ruin so many girls under the age of 17.

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  160. @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    Theresa May is good on countering Islam.

    “Good on countering Islam” means barring Muslims from entering one’s country and deporting all who are already there. How does she stack up against this correct standard?

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    I read most every week about mysterious acid attacks, stabbings, runaway cars and bombs in Britain. Maybe that's what 'countering Islam' means?
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  161. Kaz says:
    @anonymouslee
    I find it fascinating that gypsies are dumb AND make their living off swindling the natives.

    Evidence of something like street smarts we don't have a test for? Or is ethnic solidarity as overriding ethical principle that huge of a hack all by itself? If so boy are we screwed.

    They don’t really swindle the natives. They just steal and abuse laws meant for a polite society.

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  162. @Anonymous
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4411913/just-one-in-five-muslims-are-in-work-as-report-finds-they-are-held-back-by-racism/

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4411913/just-one-in-five-muslims-are-in-work-as-report-finds-they-are-held-back-by-racism/

    They’re held back by their own racism against the white people they’re parasitizing.

    What an outrageously racist article!

    The article is clearly criminal under the UK’s race hatred stautes, by the way. Any Brit want to press charges against the author or the government minister who incited hatred against whites by publishing this infamous libel?

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  163. Ed says:
    @Jake
    That is because they are culturally suicidal.

    You cannot stop any of this with democracy or with more secularism. You cannot slow it briefly by pitting Jews against Moslems or Moslems against Jews. You cannot slow it briefly by hoping gays will support you against Moslems. Nor can you slow it by submitting to Islamic rule to avoid Queer Theocracy.

    The chickens of the Reformation that encouraged cultural and linguistic Germanics (And that includes Anglo-Saxons) to return to the vomit of their pagan ways of thinking and doing are coming home to roost.

    Every part of Europe, and the colonies of Europe around the globe, faces cultural suicide. The only way out is to repent of the Reformation and embrace Christendom.

    Does this imply a return to Catholicism? Catholicism may not be as far gone as the mainline Protestant faiths but they aren’t exactly putting up much of a resistance to Islam.

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  164. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jonathan Mason

    What does “conservative” actually mean in the British context?
     
    More on the side of business and landowners and less on the side of employees. Favoring lower taxation on individuals and businesses and less social services, but if social services have to exist, should be provided by private enterprise rather than by civil servants. In favor of home ownership rather than government housing. Being a landlord rather than a renter. In favor of private schools. In favor of traditional British sports and pastimes such as cricket, golf, tennis, and rugby, hunting on horseback, horseracing. Goes to church Easter, Christmas, weddings, funerals, Christenings. Likes Royal Family. Watches Queen's Speech on TV on Christmas Day.

    Likes Marmite and Marmelade, but never Margarine.

    All well and good, but then you had to go and add the Marmite.

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  165. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    Britons suffered invasion, exploitation, occupation, and partial replacement by Romans 2000 years ago, by Saxons 1600 years ago, by Vikings/Danes 1250 years ago, by Normans 1050 years ago
     
    Not so much. Since the Beaker Folk Invasion, Britain has been pretty stable in terms of demography:

    It looks as if people in western Germany picked up these ideas – of course we have a radically imperfect idea of what those ideas were – and then settled Britain. Before all this Britain was populated by a kindof-Sardinian population (with some hunter-gatherer mixed in) that had probably came from Spain. Afterwards they were almost indistinguishable from people of that era living in the Netherlands, who had a lot of steppe ancestry. 93% replacement, minimum. Some Anglo-Saxon ancestry was added about 1400 years ago but A. they’re not very different from the Brits B. most British ancestry today still goes back to the Bell Beaker conquest.
     
    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/bell-beakers-or-the-birth-of-britain/

    Even if the multi-culti propaganda were accurate, it hardly follows that just because something happened in the past it must be good to do now. Unless perhaps they want to justify genocide, for example. Which, oddly enough, in a way they do.

    Also, tell your correspondent that the Norman invasion was not 1050 years ago.

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    Sorry, dude-- I counted one finger twice or something.

    Look at the bright side: at least I supplied you with a moment of triumph:

    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
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    You spelled “rats***”” wrong. I’m guessing intentionally, in which case well played, sir.

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  167. tsotha says:

    “We hold these truths to be self evident: All men are created equal. ”

    To abide by this axiom, one must ignore evolution by natural selection.

    That’s not what they meant by “equal”. They’re talking about equality in the eyes of the law – specifically, being born into an aristocracy didn’t mean you got extra privileges from the state.

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    They’re talking about equality in the eyes of the law – specifically, being born into an aristocracy didn’t mean you got extra privileges from the state.

     

    And look where they ended up. Everyone gets extra privileges from the state except those damn straight, white males. Founder fail, lol.
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  168. Broski says:
    @Jake
    That is because they are culturally suicidal.

    You cannot stop any of this with democracy or with more secularism. You cannot slow it briefly by pitting Jews against Moslems or Moslems against Jews. You cannot slow it briefly by hoping gays will support you against Moslems. Nor can you slow it by submitting to Islamic rule to avoid Queer Theocracy.

    The chickens of the Reformation that encouraged cultural and linguistic Germanics (And that includes Anglo-Saxons) to return to the vomit of their pagan ways of thinking and doing are coming home to roost.

    Every part of Europe, and the colonies of Europe around the globe, faces cultural suicide. The only way out is to repent of the Reformation and embrace Christendom.

    Your implication that the Reformation was heresy and Catholicism is true Christianity is dubious. Your argument is that only Catholicism can save global Europa from suicide? The papists are the ones who’ve demanded America throw open her borders to hordes of third worlders because said third worlders are Catholic and can enlarge the Church’s shrinking American community. The papists are the ones who’ve fought every effort to have third worlders adopt sensible birth control policies, again because their real politik strategy is to increase the number of tithe payers at any cost to society at large. The popes, Francis perhaps more than any other, are politicians at the head of a political institution.

    (This is the same “Christianity,” remember, that facilitated who-knows-how-many molestations rather than face political scrutiny. That was 10-15 years ago. And let’s not forget the women’s and children’s homes in Ireland several decades ago. These are but two recent of the endless litany of shocking Catholic Church abuses.)

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    The papists are the ones who’ve fought every effort to have third worlders adopt sensible birth control policies, again because their real politik strategy is to increase the number of tithe payers at any cost to society at large
     
    3rd worlders don't use birth control. They are suspicious of it. I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but Africa's problems are not solved by throwing condoms at them. They sit in there in boxes or get used improperly because...get this: Africans are not Europeans. Crazy.

    Anyway, it's not like America's issues been solved with contraception. There is sound evidence that wide spread contraceptive use increases rates of promiscuity, disease and abortion. Conversely, married couples are no longer reproducing the population.

    Meanwhile, the Catholic church says, only as many children as you can reasonably support. That's the actual teaching. That doesn't sound like tithe payers at any cost to me. And at any rate, the major supporters of any modern church are always old people. Young people have to feed all those children, remember?

    That's why the Catholic church is not quite going down yet - they've lost all the young people (so much for big families) but the old people keep putting their donations. Starting in about 10-15 years the local stories will be nothing but parish closing after parish closing as the old die off. That's already started in the north.
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  169. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    The problem with May is just that she’s an average politician. Average politicians in difficult times, such as Neville Chamberlain, get sandbagged by events.

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    Yep.

    And Boris Johnson is the modern-day Churchill.
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  170. OT: Mensa may host a Trump-Tillerson IQ showdown.

    HBD bloggers should get press passes to Periscope it or live tweet, and PredictIt should make a market.

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  171. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Diversity is antithetical to Unity… but Commonality of Interests holds Diversity together.

    So, Diversity + Common Hatred for Whitey = Unity(for the time being).

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    In other news, 2 + 2 ≠ 4.
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  172. AM says:

    Catholicism may not be as far gone as the mainline Protestant faiths but they aren’t exactly putting up much of a resistance to Islam.

    What’s vaguely holding Catholicism together right now is the idea that the beliefs themselves (the deposit of the faith) are not changeable, ie up for a vote.

    The idea is that the truth is the truth and once it’s discovered, you can only discover new pieces of it, rather like a sailor discovering New England and then sailing Florida. Whatever it is you discover, it won’t contradict or remove whatever was previously discovered, which is why it’s not changeable.

    There are other fancier ways to say it, but that’s how I understand it.

    Anyway, that concept appears to be our only barrier to completely heading down the path of Protestants. I’d say maybe 1/3 to 2/3 of our bishops and Priests don’t actually believe the Magisterium (our term for the deposit of the faith) . Our Pope is clearly an a Islamophile who only tenuously believes in Catholic principles. (A Catholic Priest emphasizing the liturgical importance of Holy Thursday Mass would not wash the feet of women, let alone Muslims. It’s this side of insult to Christ to wash the feet of non-believers.)

    It’s bit a frustrating to actually not have clear answer to the once rhetorical question: “Is the Pope Catholic?”

    Believing in revelations later than the Book of Revelations is not requirement for the Catholic faith, but if you take Fatima seriously, there’s a suggestion that Rome may fall in the near future.

    Italy already has armed guards with machine guns around the walls of the Vatican, as a well meaning country Priest bumbles around washing Islamic feet. It is not inconceivable that ISIS or some other organization could attack the very heart of Catholicism. The Vatican is not that big and it would not take much, in end, even with armed guards.

    If people believed in what the Catholic church teaches and what almost all mainline Protestant denominations taught pre-1960, resisting Islam wouldn’t be difficult. We’d be all focused on saving our own souls, we’d know the 10 commandments and what we need to do, and we’d know that what Islam taught was total poo.

    But a staggering number of Catholics, even those who go to Mass regularly, don’t believe in Hell or sin or anything remotely like what’s in Catholicism for Dummies or what say, Dante or Shakespeare understood to be true.

    In other words, it appears that there a bunch of pagans, to more or lessor degrees, standing in churches, going through motions in most places in the West . So no, as a group, we’re not offering up resistance to Islam because that’s not what can pagans can do out of their mental framework. We have the tools but we seem to be lacking in proper Christian soldiers to use them.

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    Great stuff. I'd demure on this though:

    it appears that there a bunch of pagans, to more or lessor degrees, standing in churches, going through motions in most places in the West .
     
    It's good to recall that Plato, Aristotle, and Marcus Aurelius were pagans. Modern Westerners are more like savages than pagans. The materialist technology holding everything up obscures this fact.

    If modern Westerners were really pagans, they would be converting to the One True Church in droves. The One True Church is good at converting pagans. Post-protestant savages, not so much.
    , @Pericles

    It’s bit a frustrating to actually not have clear answer to the once rhetorical question: “Is the Pope Catholic?”

     

    When I read that Francis in his Bergoglio days had gone to see a shrink, it struck me that that guy is not a believer. And I have seen no reason to change my mind since.

    https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.opens.up.about.his.mental.health.i.felt.the.need.to.consult.a.psychoanalyst/112897.htm
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  173. Romanian says: • Website
    @Lurker
    At one time the BBC made heroic efforts to conflate Roma and Romanians but they seem to have given up now. No one could fail to pick out Roma from a line up of random Brits or other Europeans.

    That is good news! Romanians get quite defensive and resentful because of this sleight of hand!

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    Maybe you should go back to calling yourselves Moldavians?
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  174. anonguy says:

    Ok, this is the fishiest thing I’ve ever heard.

    Stephen Paddock leads off with a burst, a fusillade actually, of 200 rounds in a hotel hallway six minutes before opening up on crowd.

    And no one on the floor is calling 911?

    WTF?

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    the real shooter(s) killed Paddock and used his guns (illegal arms dealer) to fire on the crowd

    imo
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  175. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    I wanna play matchmaker between Sabrina Erderly and Hafford.

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  176. OT:

    So the NFL, the one time cultural juggernaut, is now declaring defeat in regards to Trump.

    Steve, maybe “Trump’s Luck” is actually him being really, really, really good at picking his battles?

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  177. Lurker says:
    @anonymous
    Theresa May is good on countering Islam. She even calls out that Islamic terrorism as not simply stemming from a few terrorists but enabled by support from the wider Islamic community that creates safe spaces for terrorists.

    Has she promised to close the borders and deport the invaders? Then she’s no good. And as for crushing the traitors – that would be herself and most of her party.

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  178. So bring on the affirmative action.

    Yes. We all know that we can run a sub 9.57 second 100 meter dash, pole vault over 6.16 meters, or jump the Grand Canyon on a motor cycle. We just need the affirmative action to help us! And I need just one more hit on the stoner pipeweed to believe!

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  179. Lagertha says:

    Ratchet, hatchet…the weird part, right now, with the leadership in the EU. And, Hollywood makes it creepier. Young people are impressionable – young people need to be cherished.

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    what I was implying is: May's bullshit is the same as Harvey's.
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  180. Neoconned says:
    @Anonymous

    Theresa May's Ratchet
     
    Oh no you d'int!!

    What did Harvey Weinstein do to get this wrath dropped on his head.

    This is like when an army ant is injured……

    The other ants turn and cannibalize it. I’m curious though….why is every one throwing him into the fire…..this is some kinda power play

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    i read just now there's supposed to be bad blood with his brother. a beef with someone equally powerful in the media would fit.

    i was hoping it was Trump waging 4GW against the media.
    , @TB
    I believe it's a smoke and mirrors manoeuvre by NYT to try to make this disapperar:

    BREAKING: O’Keefe Strikes Again – Bombshell Video Takes Down New York Times.

    It's priceless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=89&v=D5854-qAqkM
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  181. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “‘Real’ Roma from Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia, Slovakia etc are virtually indistinguishable from the low caste Indian populations they descended from 800 years ago.”

    It appears more and more likely that they were Indians who were enslaved doing the Islamic invasions of India, in particular Mahmud of Ghazni, sultan of the Ghaznavid empire stands out; his empire seems to have been pretty much a slaver-and-raid kingdom centered around Afghanistan. He conducted huge slave raids into India every year for 17 years. Many of the slaves were sold west via the Crimea (apparently already a slave port). The plantations of Romania were worked by slaves (probably this state of affairs was started by the Roman settlement of Romania?

    Slavery in Romania (with most of the slaves what we would now call Gypsies) was not abolished until about the time of the US Civil War:

    Slavery in Romania:

    “…was abolished in stages during the 1840s and 1850s, and also until 1783, in Transylvania and Bukovina… Most of the slaves were of Roma (Gypsy) ethnicity. Particularly in Moldavia there were also slaves of Tatar ethnicity, probably prisoners captured from… wars…

    …The abolition of slavery was carried out following a campaign by young revolutionaries who embraced the liberal ideas of the Enlightenment…

    …Following the abolition, there were attempts (both of the state and private initiatives) to sedentize the nomads and to integrate the Roma people into the Romanian society, but they had a rather limited success.”

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  182. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha
    Ratchet, hatchet...the weird part, right now, with the leadership in the EU. And, Hollywood makes it creepier. Young people are impressionable - young people need to be cherished.

    what I was implying is: May’s bullshit is the same as Harvey’s.

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  183. eah says:
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    She should wear the full face veil - to protect men *from* viewing her face.
    , @eah
    Now back to knocking the UK.

    A bit more ammo:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL0aVdPVAAAi170.jpg

    , @Jack Hanson
    I can comment on this without wondering if the police are going to come blazing through my door here in the US because I have wrong think about what a minor bureaucratic functionary does.

    Tell me how this works in the UK.
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  184. Wilkey says:

    “if these disparities cannot be explained then they must be changed.”

    So they’re going to make sure Chinese and Indians and Jews perform no better than white Brits? Cool.

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    Nope, she said *these* disparities.

    They get to pick and choose.
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  185. Twinkie says:

    OT, but related: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/all-lebanon-is-against-them-a-rape-murder-sours-a-country-on-its-syrian-refugees/2017/10/10/afa13010-a792-11e7-9a98-07140d2eed02_story.html

    When ­Syrians began streaming into Lebanon six years ago to escape their country’s war, around 1,000 of them found a welcome in the small Christian village of Miziara, in the pine-clad mountains of the north.

    That was until the discovery in her home last month of the body of Raya Chidiac, 26, a daughter of one of the village’s wealthiest businessmen. She had been bound, raped and suffocated with a plastic bag. The Syrian caretaker at the family’s home confessed to the killing and was arrested and charged with murder.

    The ensuing backlash against Syrians has rippled across Lebanon, exposing razor-sharp tensions between the country’s 1 million Syrian refugees and their hosts that increasingly threaten to open up Lebanon’s own fragile sectarian divisions.

    My favorite line from the film “Ronin” is, “At the end of the day we are likely to be punished for our kindnesses.”

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    By contrast, I don't know how many rape-murders it takes for Sweden to wake up. Many.
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  186. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL0Ol4SVAAAOq8g.jpg

    Diversity is antithetical to Unity... but Commonality of Interests holds Diversity together.

    So, Diversity + Common Hatred for Whitey = Unity(for the time being).

    In other news, 2 + 2 ≠ 4.

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  187. @Peter Johnson
    More data is better, especially more publicly accessible data. This might make HBD realism more acceptable. The discrimination-based argument just fails entirely to explain this data. So it is crying out for someone to state openly that this data is best explained by human biodiversity.

    The data does help make the HBD case.

    But May’s statement:

    “People who have lived with discrimination don’t need a government audit to make them aware of the scale of the challenge. But this audit means that for society as a whole – for government, for our public services – there is nowhere to hide. These issues are now out in the open. And the message is very simple: if these disparities cannot be explained then they must be changed.”

    is pretty much canonical and makes the point about why knowledge of HBD–even the old crude but more or less accurate knowledge we had in the past–is absolutely critical to maintain a functioning civilized nation, and its suppression is absolute dogma on the left.

    Without just an honest acknowledgement of the reality of human differences, all this data simply empowers the leftist super-state in its jihad against the people of any Western nation–any nation either cursed by history or stupid enough to allow “diversity”.

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  188. @Jake
    That is because they are culturally suicidal.

    You cannot stop any of this with democracy or with more secularism. You cannot slow it briefly by pitting Jews against Moslems or Moslems against Jews. You cannot slow it briefly by hoping gays will support you against Moslems. Nor can you slow it by submitting to Islamic rule to avoid Queer Theocracy.

    The chickens of the Reformation that encouraged cultural and linguistic Germanics (And that includes Anglo-Saxons) to return to the vomit of their pagan ways of thinking and doing are coming home to roost.

    Every part of Europe, and the colonies of Europe around the globe, faces cultural suicide. The only way out is to repent of the Reformation and embrace Christendom.

    So now the Reformation was a return to pagan ways, and not “Judaizing”?

    Tacitus – Germania would really open your eyes. Julius Caesar also wrote in detail about pagan German society. Quite the opposite of vomit. Read, and pay close attention to the descriptions of German political customs and sexual mores.

    Everyone likes to throw around the term “cuck” – according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity. Celts had Queens (e.g. Boudica). German mores could be summarized as the exact opposite.

    “…neither from the Samnites, nor from the Carthaginians, nor from both Spains, nor from all the nations of Gaul, have we received more checks and alarms; nor even from the Parthians: for, more vigorous and invincible is the liberty of the Germans than the monarchy of the Arsacides.”
    -Tacitus

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    Everyone likes to throw around the term “cuck” – according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.
     
    Don't believe this was even remotely common. JC might have seen or heard some tiny examples of this, but it certainly could not have been a common Celt practice as the Celts were a successful people. I'm guessing this sort of "fake news" stemmed from snippets of incomplete information about the Celts (and particularly Celtic Britons) that noted/highlighted the reality that Celtic women did generally have more freedom and more rights than Roman women. But widespread polyandry--no.

    Where polyandry has existed it is usually some condition of extreme scarcity, where a male can't provide to support a wife and her children. I've heard of cases in Nepal's "backwoods"--out in the boonies at high elevation, low productivity land. And then it's a wife shared with brothers where paternity is "in the family".

    Absent extreme scarcity of resources (i.e. land) this is just not going to happen. Any men who practiced it would be pushed aside by men who did not practice it. Any society that practiced it would be pushed aside by a society (men) who did not practice it. The Celts would have been swept aside long ago and wouldn't have even been around for the Romans to fight if they were polyandrous.

    Sex is real. Sexual inclinations, incentives, imperatives are real. Sexual dimorphism is real. Regardless of what the Google matriarchy is claiming. Feminist fantasies are always just that--fantasies.
    , @Anonymous
    JC was probably not the most disinterested source on those terrible Briton barbarians.
    , @Pericles

    according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.

     

    How common was the Negrones tribe at the time?
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  189. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Vinteuil
    "an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place..."

    Don't be silly. Slightly better? Maybe one could make the case. But "infinitely?" That's just crazy.

    Anyway, it's a false alternative. How about Britain in 1859 - the year The Origin of Species was published?

    What bliss would it have been in that dawn to be alive.

    I really meant ‘perpetual and extreme rule by Hillary Clinton’ – surely, *anything* is ‘infinitely’ better than that.

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  190. notanon says:
    @anonguy
    Ok, this is the fishiest thing I've ever heard.

    Stephen Paddock leads off with a burst, a fusillade actually, of 200 rounds in a hotel hallway six minutes before opening up on crowd.

    And no one on the floor is calling 911?

    WTF?

    the real shooter(s) killed Paddock and used his guns (illegal arms dealer) to fire on the crowd

    imo

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  191. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    The problem with May is just that she's an average politician. Average politicians in difficult times, such as Neville Chamberlain, get sandbagged by events.

    Yep.

    And Boris Johnson is the modern-day Churchill.

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  192. notanon says:
    @Neoconned
    What did Harvey Weinstein do to get this wrath dropped on his head.

    This is like when an army ant is injured......

    The other ants turn and cannibalize it. I'm curious though....why is every one throwing him into the fire.....this is some kinda power play

    i read just now there’s supposed to be bad blood with his brother. a beef with someone equally powerful in the media would fit.

    i was hoping it was Trump waging 4GW against the media.

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    Who says it can't be both?

    I hope SV gets this treatment next.
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  193. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @eah
    OT

    "American" -- "MAGA"

    State Department picks hijab-wearing Somali Muslim to represent American youth at UN

    St. Paul Harding senior accepted to all eight Ivy League schools

    http://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wpid-20150413__MuniraKhalif-jpg.jpg

    Now back to knocking the UK.

    She should wear the full face veil – to protect men *from* viewing her face.

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  194. Maj. Kong says:

    O/T

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/10/11/national/japan-retail-chains-offer-day-care-services-woo-housewives-amid-labor-shortage/#.Wd3FC7pFy70

    Interesting in that with limited immigration, Japan is subsidizing child care for female workers, rather than making Herbivore Men full-time workers.

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  195. eah says:
    @eah
    OT

    "American" -- "MAGA"

    State Department picks hijab-wearing Somali Muslim to represent American youth at UN

    St. Paul Harding senior accepted to all eight Ivy League schools

    http://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wpid-20150413__MuniraKhalif-jpg.jpg

    Now back to knocking the UK.

    Now back to knocking the UK.

    A bit more ammo:

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    Look at the difference in Owen Jones's articles when a Muslim terrorist murders 22 and when a "far right" terrorist murders 1.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFcOK1GXUAAhhQv.jpg


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFcOK1FXYAEmdea.jpg
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  196. @Vinteuil
    "an Islamic Britain would be an infinitely better place..."

    Don't be silly. Slightly better? Maybe one could make the case. But "infinitely?" That's just crazy.

    Anyway, it's a false alternative. How about Britain in 1859 - the year The Origin of Species was published?

    What bliss would it have been in that dawn to be alive.

    Perhaps better to have been alive in 1950 – full employment, a health service, decent company pensions, affordable housing, and a low-crime Christian society. If you were lucky you could work your 40 years and retire comfortably.

    On the other hand you’d watch with increasing concern the destruction of the society you grew up in, and the diminishing life prospects for your grandchildren (if any), whereas our 1859 Brit could look back in 1900 on years of improvement (hard-fought for).

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    "...our 1859 Brit could look back in 1900 on years of improvement..."

    ...and they could & did confidently look forward to even more & better. It must have been wonderful.

    And then came the world wars. Nothing has been the same since then.
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  197. @LondonBob
    Afro-Carribbeans are completely dysfunctional, but they aren't Muslim so escape criticism. A friend of mine lives in Saudi, used to live in Tanzania, he much prefers Saudi.

    “A friend of mine lives in Saudi, used to live in Tanzania, he much prefers Saudi.”

    You should hear my (Kenyan Asian) optometrist talk on the differences between Indian and African (he’s not a fan) societies.

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  198. @notanon
    Irish Travelers are very white (apart from the multi-generational 1st cousin marriage)

    Irish Travellers have undergone a very strong “boiling off” of educational talent, since a proportion leave the community in each generation and join the Settled community. The ones who leave are more compatible with the Settled lifestyle (education and steady work) and less with the Traveller lifestyle. This gives rise, even over only 5-10 generations, in a concentration of particular genotypes within the community. Greg Cochrane wrote about the same “boiling off” effect (favouring different genotypes) among the US Amish.

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    makes sense.

    (i'm not saying a lot of them aren't dumb just that they don't try so it magnifies the effect)
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  199. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Wilkey
    "if these disparities cannot be explained then they must be changed.”

    So they're going to make sure Chinese and Indians and Jews perform no better than white Brits? Cool.

    Nope, she said *these* disparities.

    They get to pick and choose.

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  200. @Dieter Kief
    Just comes to my mind: Jordan B. Petersen has a growing audience in Germany. The quite popular blog Achgut.com, which once ran an article about Steve Sailer, too, features a weekly column by Petersen. So far, no gross negative reactions. He's doing astonishingly well.

    This is an interesting article about Kubitschek in the NYT, which makes it appear that he has some influence in German politics. True? The American press is terrible at covering internal politics in non-English speaking countries.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/magazine/the-prophet-of-germanys-new-right.html

    It is interesting that the author appears conflicted because he knows Kubitschek is supposed to be a bad guy, but seems personally impressed by his thoughtfulness and seriousness. The few comments are worth a read as well.

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    Oh thanks - interesting. And, as you already said: correct.

    That's the second correct article about Kubitschek in the New York Times. The first was by Christopher Caldwell and focused mainly on Rolf Peter Sieferles little thoughtful and insightful book "Finis Germania".
    By the way: Sieferles even better book is "Das Migrationsproblem" - with one (small) caveat: Sieferle neglects the heredity of IQ, he wrote as a blank slater.
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  201. snorlax says:
    @notanon

    WASP culture is suicidal.
     
    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    weird, huh.
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    There was nothing suicidal about trying to keep the western states slavery-free so they could be settled by white yeoman farmers and white farm laborers, craftsmen, etc.

    Southern Cavaliers replicating the mulatto/mestizo plantation culture of the Latin American Caballeros on the other hand....

    The journey from John Rolfe and Pocahontas and Melungeons and Creoles to Loving v. Virginia and MLK was never a question of if, but a question of when.

    , @notanon
    i agree that "expanding the circles of compassion" leads to pathological altruism as a (minority) outlier effect but what percentage of the people engaged in the civil war were doing it for that reason as opposed to stopping the spread of slavery into the western states (primarily for racial reasons)?

    if anglo-saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    the point where i mostly agree with the original poster is a healthy culture requires an active priesthood who consciously see their role as cultural eugenics and which the mainline anglo-protestant church gradually lost - thus allowing hte mass media to usurp that role more easily than in Catholic countries.
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  202. snorlax says:
    @Romanian
    That is good news! Romanians get quite defensive and resentful because of this sleight of hand!

    Maybe you should go back to calling yourselves Moldavians?

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  203. @Cagey Beast
    Even Margaret Thatcher was problematic. The men around her did not know how to get her to cool it during the miner's strike and her stubborn insistence on a poll tax. "God said it. I believe. That settles it." was Queen Elizabeth I's motto. A female leader's faux tough guy act is charming until it isn't. A man trying do the same pig-headed stuff would be rightly shut down by his peers.

    Jordan Peterson and Camille Paglia discussed this sort of problem recently:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3Hrwg3A3w

    I watched the entire 1 hour 43 minute discussion on youtube, CB. I never would have thought I’d enjoy 2 intellectuals talking for that long, starting off with art literature (good God!) with the biggest excitement being the overhearing of fire trucks somewhere down the street. It was very good once they got into the thick of it wrt the feminism, though. Both of these 2 seek the truth, and some of what they said you’d never hear from their colleagues.

    One could skip to about 1/2 hour in and still enjoy this, as it started with talk about art schools and graduate students and just stuff that is of no concern outside the bubble world of humanities at the U. However, it got interesting soon enough.

    Two thumbs up for these two!

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    Yes I agree wholeheartedly. They're metaphorically like last the mating pair of public intellectuals alive after the cultural mass extinction event we call the Television Era. Television was far from being the only cause but it was the biggest.
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  204. @notanon

    WASP culture is suicidal.
     
    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    weird, huh.

    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    Indeed.

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  205. @John Derbyshire
    There are a couple of swindlers somewhere in Dickens who, says the author, "lived not so much by their wits, as by the absence of wits in others."

    That’s exactly the point I wanted to make, although I didn’t have a nice literary reference handy with which to put it so superbly.

    Remember, these are the same “natives” who insist that Islam is a religion of peace even as the Islamists are blowing them up and raping them. They get swindled only because they let themselves.

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  206. @eah
    OT

    "American" -- "MAGA"

    State Department picks hijab-wearing Somali Muslim to represent American youth at UN

    St. Paul Harding senior accepted to all eight Ivy League schools

    http://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/wpid-20150413__MuniraKhalif-jpg.jpg

    Now back to knocking the UK.

    I can comment on this without wondering if the police are going to come blazing through my door here in the US because I have wrong think about what a minor bureaucratic functionary does.

    Tell me how this works in the UK.

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  207. helena says:
    @Expletive Deleted
    Cousin of mine married a Yorkshire lad. Gypsy mum/Tyke dad, and he looks exactly like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. She looked like the young Agnetha Faltskog when she married, but blonder and paler. Doubt he's ever seen the sun more than a couple of weeks in his entire life, still near as dark as Henderson's Relish. Their (shedload of) kids are all black-haired but enormously tall (he's tiny, and so's she), stout (as in strong, not fat) and very pale-skinned.
    There's a sackload of ginger in her (our) side of the family all over, otherwise blond or light brown, we're not that tall, and the colour of yogurt. Wiped out forever by stronk Gypsy genetics, it appears. I wonder when they'll put us in a zoo for our future Chinese landlords to gawk and point at.

    I think the zoo phase will be short lived. Watching a film of Cuba I saw the future. Obvious European features but no ‘white’ people. European genes will live on but Europeans will be gone; genes appropriated.

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  208. @notanon
    i read just now there's supposed to be bad blood with his brother. a beef with someone equally powerful in the media would fit.

    i was hoping it was Trump waging 4GW against the media.

    Who says it can’t be both?

    I hope SV gets this treatment next.

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  209. Bill says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Ed West said on Twitter a little while ago that he personally liked Tony Blair but he understood Blair was detested out there, beyond West's social circle. That's when I un-followed West on Twitter.

    I've been reading the Spectator on and off since I was in high school. My father had a subscription back when Auberon Waugh* wrote for it and Enoch Powell was allowed an occasional piece. In retrospect, it all seems like a giant sham. Conservatives proved to be just globalists with a different covering. They were globalists with a faux wood and leather finish that wouldn't clash with the décor. The Catholic ones had some classy Latin stuff written on them too. One paid extra for that.

    The fact that Ed West managed to land a gig keeping the sham going a few more years is great for him (I guess) but no good for the rest of us.

    * (I recently had a look at Waugh's attack on Solzhenitsyn's Harvard Address. Boy did that age badly.)
    http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/26th-august-1978/5/another-voice

    Wow. I hadn’t seen that before. Thanks.

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  210. Bill says:
    @L Woods
    That point has certainly crossed my mind many a time, though I'm not entirely certain its true. Islam carries an inherent undertone of Arab supremacy, and Muslim populations come as conquerers. It's never good to be a conquered people (at least if you're male). Converting before demographics render it a necessity might be a somewhat different matter (preemptively, a la Poland and Lithuania faced with the Baltic Crusades). But if the West has the will to embrace something alien and illiberal, it may as well just return to its own less insane roots.

    Of course, that could only happen if its less insane roots came calling, sword in hand. Given the “dare I bomb an abortion clinic” level of its less insane roots’ dialogue, I think we’ll be waiting a long time for that.

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  211. Bill says:
    @AM

    Catholicism may not be as far gone as the mainline Protestant faiths but they aren’t exactly putting up much of a resistance to Islam.
     
    What's vaguely holding Catholicism together right now is the idea that the beliefs themselves (the deposit of the faith) are not changeable, ie up for a vote.

    The idea is that the truth is the truth and once it's discovered, you can only discover new pieces of it, rather like a sailor discovering New England and then sailing Florida. Whatever it is you discover, it won't contradict or remove whatever was previously discovered, which is why it's not changeable.

    There are other fancier ways to say it, but that's how I understand it.

    Anyway, that concept appears to be our only barrier to completely heading down the path of Protestants. I'd say maybe 1/3 to 2/3 of our bishops and Priests don't actually believe the Magisterium (our term for the deposit of the faith) . Our Pope is clearly an a Islamophile who only tenuously believes in Catholic principles. (A Catholic Priest emphasizing the liturgical importance of Holy Thursday Mass would not wash the feet of women, let alone Muslims. It's this side of insult to Christ to wash the feet of non-believers.)

    It's bit a frustrating to actually not have clear answer to the once rhetorical question: "Is the Pope Catholic?"

    Believing in revelations later than the Book of Revelations is not requirement for the Catholic faith, but if you take Fatima seriously, there's a suggestion that Rome may fall in the near future.

    Italy already has armed guards with machine guns around the walls of the Vatican, as a well meaning country Priest bumbles around washing Islamic feet. It is not inconceivable that ISIS or some other organization could attack the very heart of Catholicism. The Vatican is not that big and it would not take much, in end, even with armed guards.

    If people believed in what the Catholic church teaches and what almost all mainline Protestant denominations taught pre-1960, resisting Islam wouldn't be difficult. We'd be all focused on saving our own souls, we'd know the 10 commandments and what we need to do, and we'd know that what Islam taught was total poo.

    But a staggering number of Catholics, even those who go to Mass regularly, don't believe in Hell or sin or anything remotely like what's in Catholicism for Dummies or what say, Dante or Shakespeare understood to be true.

    In other words, it appears that there a bunch of pagans, to more or lessor degrees, standing in churches, going through motions in most places in the West . So no, as a group, we're not offering up resistance to Islam because that's not what can pagans can do out of their mental framework. We have the tools but we seem to be lacking in proper Christian soldiers to use them.

    Great stuff. I’d demure on this though:

    it appears that there a bunch of pagans, to more or lessor degrees, standing in churches, going through motions in most places in the West .

    It’s good to recall that Plato, Aristotle, and Marcus Aurelius were pagans. Modern Westerners are more like savages than pagans. The materialist technology holding everything up obscures this fact.

    If modern Westerners were really pagans, they would be converting to the One True Church in droves. The One True Church is good at converting pagans. Post-protestant savages, not so much.

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  212. @Achmed E. Newman
    I watched the entire 1 hour 43 minute discussion on youtube, CB. I never would have thought I'd enjoy 2 intellectuals talking for that long, starting off with art literature (good God!) with the biggest excitement being the overhearing of fire trucks somewhere down the street. It was very good once they got into the thick of it wrt the feminism, though. Both of these 2 seek the truth, and some of what they said you'd never hear from their colleagues.

    One could skip to about 1/2 hour in and still enjoy this, as it started with talk about art schools and graduate students and just stuff that is of no concern outside the bubble world of humanities at the U. However, it got interesting soon enough.

    Two thumbs up for these two!

    Yes I agree wholeheartedly. They’re metaphorically like last the mating pair of public intellectuals alive after the cultural mass extinction event we call the Television Era. Television was far from being the only cause but it was the biggest.

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  213. TB says:
    @Neoconned
    What did Harvey Weinstein do to get this wrath dropped on his head.

    This is like when an army ant is injured......

    The other ants turn and cannibalize it. I'm curious though....why is every one throwing him into the fire.....this is some kinda power play

    I believe it’s a smoke and mirrors manoeuvre by NYT to try to make this disapperar:

    BREAKING: O’Keefe Strikes Again – Bombshell Video Takes Down New York Times.

    It’s priceless.

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  214. @snorlax

    There was nothing suicidal about trying to keep the western states slavery-free so they could be settled by white yeoman farmers and white farm laborers, craftsmen, etc.

    Southern Cavaliers replicating the mulatto/mestizo plantation culture of the Latin American Caballeros on the other hand….

    The journey from John Rolfe and Pocahontas and Melungeons and Creoles to Loving v. Virginia and MLK was never a question of if, but a question of when.

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  215. Veracitor says:
    @Anonymous
    Even if the multi-culti propaganda were accurate, it hardly follows that just because something happened in the past it must be good to do now. Unless perhaps they want to justify genocide, for example. Which, oddly enough, in a way they do.

    Also, tell your correspondent that the Norman invasion was not 1050 years ago.

    Sorry, dude– I counted one finger twice or something.

    Look at the bright side: at least I supplied you with a moment of triumph:

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  216. @AM

    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it’s just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic.
     
    I'm not there, but I could imagine that the old flare ups between papists and protestants has come down several notches as the Church of England slowly turns into a shadow of it's former self.

    I've read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.

    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.

    Um….Anglicanism is heresy. That ship-jumping needed to occur 500 years ago in order to be credible. Today it only signifies a desire to avoid the rainbow stole-wearing, openly gay priest.

    The problem with the Catholic Neotraditionalists like George Weigel and presumably yourself, AM, is that they reduce all their theology to its cultural embodiments, and metaphysics or theology as such plays no part in it. If these people whom you’ve read about actually cared about being correct, they would have abandoned their Anglicanism in their early adulthood like Ronald Knox, which is to say, as soon as they were capable of reflecting upon its theological errors. The fact that they are willing to switch creeds now only to avoid the cultural rot, while doing so is good in itself, actually displays a lack of genuine religious attitude. (Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way, commit an equal and opposite error by stubbornly sticking with the institutional Church despite it having adopted the heresies of Vatican II.) If the implication is that they would have gone happily along with the Church of England as long as she continued to look and act high-church conservative, their principled stand against heresy is less than convincing.

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    You are certainly right about the Anglicans. They love their personal sub-culture much more than they love Truth. That sub-culture is notable for a high level knowledge of the early Church, the Fathers, etc, and usually a good sense of what liturgy is (even when they rarely put that knowledge into practice). And they never left the Anglican sect - they were driven out over the last fifty years.

    The same is now underway in the Church of Rome. The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment, much less the furious denunciation they require. Orthodox Catholics are close to despair: only the tiniest handful of bishops have evinced even the mildest concern over the overthrow, not merely of morality, but of honest argument and logical thought, thus revealing themselves to be ladder-climbers (like Dolan of New York) or rank heretics (like Cupich of Chicago) or plain stupid papolators (like most of the rest).

    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked aweeter.
    , @AM

    The problem with the Catholic Neotraditionalists like George Weigel and presumably yourself, AM, is that they reduce all their theology to its cultural embodiments, and metaphysics or theology as such plays no part in it.
     
    No, not really. Still smarting over not getting that theology right with dude with the 100 kids? Sorry.

    Um….Anglicanism is heresy.
     
    Anglicanism is more schism than heresy. The only heresy introduced was the divorce that King Henry the VIII wanted. The schism was rejecting papal authority.

    CS Lewis had difficultly getting married to a divorced woman in the 1940's, because culturally the Catholic morals had still held all the way until then. I went to both Catholic and Episcopalian Masses as a kid on Christmas...and basically it was the same format, but the Episcopalian Mass was nicer. Now with women priests and "rainbow" junk, it's toast from theological standpoint.

    There was also a deliberate messing of apostolic succession, but I like to think the Creator of Heaven and Earth could repair that.


    (Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way, commit an equal and opposite error by stubbornly sticking with the institutional Church despite it having adopted the heresies of Vatican II.)
     
    Vatican II did not introduce heresies. Priests and Bishops have used VII to preach heresies, but nothing in the documents changed anything about the Magisterium. Rome is well within it's rights to change the Mass (the liturgy). VII was not the first time it's ever done so by the way, it just hadn't changed things for a very long.

    The bottom line is if you think you're going to Heaven because you go to Latin Mass, well check in with what Jesus thought about the Pharisees. The reverence for God is with your heart and mind, not the form of the Mass. God is not limited to the Latin Mass, nor in his powers to save to particular human form.

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  217. notanon says:
    @Peter Johnson
    Irish Travellers have undergone a very strong "boiling off" of educational talent, since a proportion leave the community in each generation and join the Settled community. The ones who leave are more compatible with the Settled lifestyle (education and steady work) and less with the Traveller lifestyle. This gives rise, even over only 5-10 generations, in a concentration of particular genotypes within the community. Greg Cochrane wrote about the same "boiling off" effect (favouring different genotypes) among the US Amish.

    makes sense.

    (i’m not saying a lot of them aren’t dumb just that they don’t try so it magnifies the effect)

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  218. @notanon

    WASP culture is suicidal.
     
    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    weird, huh.

    Was it though? Was the West feeling sure of itself after two world wars? And wasn’t Dissenter Protestant, Yankee republicanism the original “culture of critique”? It sure seemed to define itself in opposition to the rest of us in White Christendom.

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    It sure seemed to define itself in opposition to the rest of us in White Christendom.
     
    quite - more genocidal than suicidal
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  219. notanon says:
    @snorlax

    i agree that “expanding the circles of compassion” leads to pathological altruism as a (minority) outlier effect but what percentage of the people engaged in the civil war were doing it for that reason as opposed to stopping the spread of slavery into the western states (primarily for racial reasons)?

    if anglo-saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    the point where i mostly agree with the original poster is a healthy culture requires an active priesthood who consciously see their role as cultural eugenics and which the mainline anglo-protestant church gradually lost – thus allowing hte mass media to usurp that role more easily than in Catholic countries.

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    If Anglo-Saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965.

    True. This reminds me of the internet neo-pagans who blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the West, which also started circa 1965. It was a slow acting poison, I guess.

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    Unfortunately by the time mass broadcast media and mass circulation news magazines were ready to achieve full-spectrum dominance, the Rockefeller and similar foundations had been doing about four decades of preparatory work. The nearly unlimited financial resources of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford etc foundations -- plus the state and private broadcasters in the US, UK, Canada & Australia -- took the world-view of the Fabian Society from the drawing rooms of a few resentful cranks to being practically the only show in town in the Anglosphere. The rest of us ended up getting swamped and drowned out.
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  220. @Fredrik
    Yes, things are changing in the right direction. Politicians and media are doubling down on the propaganda but it's becoming obvious there is panic on that side. The Sweden democrats have almost doubled in size in the opinion polls since the last election and more and more people are open among friends, family and co-workers at least. I'd still be careful to tell someone I didn't know but lots of people know where I stand. I'm not alone.

    There is also more and more talk on the 'respectable' right side how to deal with the immigrant problem. Housing, welfare and such for immigrants is now controversial. The incompetence of the police has been for a while. Most of the left is still in denial but I know for sure that many of the older males on that side share the same concerns as many on the right.


    This site tracks Sweden Democrats' poll numbers. Last election was Sep 14 where they had 12.86% of votes. Do compare with the polls and draw your own conclusions for this year.

    http://status.st/

    Thanks.

    But let them forget voting the enemy out.

    Something more is now needed, and not only in Sweden.

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  221. @Charles Pewitt
    British Prime Minister Theresa May is a horrible politician whore who presided over the open borders mass immigration policies of Prime Minister Dave "Dishface" Cameron while she was Home Secretary. PM Theresa May was in the position of home secretary from 2010 to 2016. During Theresa May's tenure as home secretary, the UK was being invaded by over 300, 000 foreigners a year.

    Prime Minister Theresa May Is A Treasonous Globalizer Rat.

    The American Empire should also reconsider the code transaction involving the Trident submarines and the Menwith Hill-type "listening" installations. In short, Prime Minister Theresa May is a clear and present threat to the national security interests of the United Kingdom. Since the United States' national security interests are intertwined with the UK's, it is imperative that Prime Minister Theresa May be removed from power as soon as possible.

    … it is imperative that Prime Minister Theresa May be removed from power as soon as possible.

    Regime Change, Bitchez!

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  222. @Intelligent Dasein

    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.
     
    Um....Anglicanism is heresy. That ship-jumping needed to occur 500 years ago in order to be credible. Today it only signifies a desire to avoid the rainbow stole-wearing, openly gay priest.

    The problem with the Catholic Neotraditionalists like George Weigel and presumably yourself, AM, is that they reduce all their theology to its cultural embodiments, and metaphysics or theology as such plays no part in it. If these people whom you've read about actually cared about being correct, they would have abandoned their Anglicanism in their early adulthood like Ronald Knox, which is to say, as soon as they were capable of reflecting upon its theological errors. The fact that they are willing to switch creeds now only to avoid the cultural rot, while doing so is good in itself, actually displays a lack of genuine religious attitude. (Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way, commit an equal and opposite error by stubbornly sticking with the institutional Church despite it having adopted the heresies of Vatican II.) If the implication is that they would have gone happily along with the Church of England as long as she continued to look and act high-church conservative, their principled stand against heresy is less than convincing.

    You are certainly right about the Anglicans. They love their personal sub-culture much more than they love Truth. That sub-culture is notable for a high level knowledge of the early Church, the Fathers, etc, and usually a good sense of what liturgy is (even when they rarely put that knowledge into practice). And they never left the Anglican sect – they were driven out over the last fifty years.

    The same is now underway in the Church of Rome. The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment, much less the furious denunciation they require. Orthodox Catholics are close to despair: only the tiniest handful of bishops have evinced even the mildest concern over the overthrow, not merely of morality, but of honest argument and logical thought, thus revealing themselves to be ladder-climbers (like Dolan of New York) or rank heretics (like Cupich of Chicago) or plain stupid papolators (like most of the rest).

    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked aweeter.

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    I agree. Western Christianity seems so lawyerly, worldly and argumentative when compared to what I've read and seen of Eastern Orthodoxy. The label "jesuitical" applies to far more people than just the Jesuits.
    , @AM

    The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment,
     
    He might have been the best of the lot. It's something to mull over. If a bad Pope is making you question your faith, the faith was always in the wrong spot to begin with. To date, compared to bad past Popes, this guy is easy money.


    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked a sweeter.
     
    Eastern Orthodoxy has it's own problems, including the same bleed of young people as Roman Catholicism. I've been told that the first question Greek Orthodox tend to ask of is "Are you Greek?" That said, any serious choice of any theological sound Christian denomination in an era like this, is win in my book.
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  223. @Detective Club
    Mrs. May has been Prime Minister for only 15 months. She has somehow managed to make her time in office pass as if it were 15 years. No small feat that, even in the annals of British politics.

    Pithiest and wisest comment on this thread.

    The woman is both nasty and stupid – a pretty dangerous combination.

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  224. @Old Palo Altan
    You are certainly right about the Anglicans. They love their personal sub-culture much more than they love Truth. That sub-culture is notable for a high level knowledge of the early Church, the Fathers, etc, and usually a good sense of what liturgy is (even when they rarely put that knowledge into practice). And they never left the Anglican sect - they were driven out over the last fifty years.

    The same is now underway in the Church of Rome. The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment, much less the furious denunciation they require. Orthodox Catholics are close to despair: only the tiniest handful of bishops have evinced even the mildest concern over the overthrow, not merely of morality, but of honest argument and logical thought, thus revealing themselves to be ladder-climbers (like Dolan of New York) or rank heretics (like Cupich of Chicago) or plain stupid papolators (like most of the rest).

    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked aweeter.

    I agree. Western Christianity seems so lawyerly, worldly and argumentative when compared to what I’ve read and seen of Eastern Orthodoxy. The label “jesuitical” applies to far more people than just the Jesuits.

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  225. @Millennial
    So now the Reformation was a return to pagan ways, and not "Judaizing"?

    Tacitus - Germania would really open your eyes. Julius Caesar also wrote in detail about pagan German society. Quite the opposite of vomit. Read, and pay close attention to the descriptions of German political customs and sexual mores.

    Everyone likes to throw around the term "cuck" - according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn't care about accurately attributing paternity. Celts had Queens (e.g. Boudica). German mores could be summarized as the exact opposite.

    "...neither from the Samnites, nor from the Carthaginians, nor from both Spains, nor from all the nations of Gaul, have we received more checks and alarms; nor even from the Parthians: for, more vigorous and invincible is the liberty of the Germans than the monarchy of the Arsacides."
    -Tacitus

    Everyone likes to throw around the term “cuck” – according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.

    Don’t believe this was even remotely common. JC might have seen or heard some tiny examples of this, but it certainly could not have been a common Celt practice as the Celts were a successful people. I’m guessing this sort of “fake news” stemmed from snippets of incomplete information about the Celts (and particularly Celtic Britons) that noted/highlighted the reality that Celtic women did generally have more freedom and more rights than Roman women. But widespread polyandry–no.

    Where polyandry has existed it is usually some condition of extreme scarcity, where a male can’t provide to support a wife and her children. I’ve heard of cases in Nepal’s “backwoods”–out in the boonies at high elevation, low productivity land. And then it’s a wife shared with brothers where paternity is “in the family”.

    Absent extreme scarcity of resources (i.e. land) this is just not going to happen. Any men who practiced it would be pushed aside by men who did not practice it. Any society that practiced it would be pushed aside by a society (men) who did not practice it. The Celts would have been swept aside long ago and wouldn’t have even been around for the Romans to fight if they were polyandrous.

    Sex is real. Sexual inclinations, incentives, imperatives are real. Sexual dimorphism is real. Regardless of what the Google matriarchy is claiming. Feminist fantasies are always just that–fantasies.

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    In early medieval insular celtic societies (i.e. Gaels and Cymri) who one's father was was of critical importance, if only to establish one's standing before the Law. Mother didn't count for much, apart from her not being a slave. Although if the dad was elite enough, even that could be overlooked.

    They were a bit sloppy about the Top Chads fathering children at random all over, understandable as the super-glamorous military caste tended to have short, violent, peripatetic lives, and big proprietors ("kings") were not averse to inserting the odd bastard into the broods of their tenants/kinsmen (same thing, that's how it worked).

    Usually compensated by gifts of cattle, slaves, land etc. and a closer political incorporation with the local power structure, so not entirely unappreciated by the cuckfather oops sorry now blood brother involved, as the whole setup teetered constantly on its Malthusian threshold.
    Of course, being celts, it could easily end in arson, slaughter and generations of bloodfeud if not handled delicately. The serfs naturally didn't get that choice.

    I think the polyandry story is Caesar's (informants'), about what he refers to as the "aboriginals" of the interior of the Big Island, allegedly living on milk and meat, dressed in skins, semi-nomadic, and a set of brothers (this is important) "holding their wife/wives in common". Sounds about right for Derbyshire or Westmorland even now (/jeremy kyle).
    The reason for the "distributed paternity" of men descended from a common father, in possibly relict upland groups under extreme pressure from more powerful, civilized, maybe more "Gaulish" tribes, was the chronic intergroup violence which would inevitably result in crippling numbers of unsupported widows and children, and hence the death of the tribe, if some maintenance and inheritance system wasn't devised to route round this, as the survivors could distribute the cost burden across the extended family. So direct paternity was deliberately obscured by chucking the chariot keys into a cauldron when the occasion arose, at feasts and I dunno, May Day and Midsummer moonlight raves.
    The same deal occurred among some militaristic castes in southern India, I believe.

    , @Millennial
    True - ancient literary sources must be taken with several grains of salt.

    That being said, both Caesar and Tacitus rather corroborate each other on the strict monogamy of the ancient Germans (which was explicitly associated with both patriarchy and military prowess).

    Both Caesar and Diodorus Siculus described the Celts as, well, inclined the opposite way.

    (There's also the remark made by a Caledonian queen to the wife of Septimius Severus, essentially that Celtic women enjoyed openly consorting with whomever they desired - can't recall what text that's in at the moment.)

    Overall, the literary evidence is that the Celts inclined to polyandry and matriarchy, and the Germans did not. Also, interestingly, Caesar describes Celts as much more superstitious and given to human sacrifice than the Germans.

    , @helena
    I once stepped-in to do a lecture on family structure and I found a video in the library. The film showed men with multiple wives, and that community you mention, perched on the side of a mountain where a woman marries all the brothers. Well. I can tell you that the only woman with a smile on her face was the one married to the brothers!
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  226. notanon says:
    @Cagey Beast
    Was it though? Was the West feeling sure of itself after two world wars? And wasn't Dissenter Protestant, Yankee republicanism the original "culture of critique"? It sure seemed to define itself in opposition to the rest of us in White Christendom.

    It sure seemed to define itself in opposition to the rest of us in White Christendom.

    quite – more genocidal than suicidal

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    @Millennial
    So now the Reformation was a return to pagan ways, and not "Judaizing"?

    Tacitus - Germania would really open your eyes. Julius Caesar also wrote in detail about pagan German society. Quite the opposite of vomit. Read, and pay close attention to the descriptions of German political customs and sexual mores.

    Everyone likes to throw around the term "cuck" - according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn't care about accurately attributing paternity. Celts had Queens (e.g. Boudica). German mores could be summarized as the exact opposite.

    "...neither from the Samnites, nor from the Carthaginians, nor from both Spains, nor from all the nations of Gaul, have we received more checks and alarms; nor even from the Parthians: for, more vigorous and invincible is the liberty of the Germans than the monarchy of the Arsacides."
    -Tacitus

    JC was probably not the most disinterested source on those terrible Briton barbarians.

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  228. @notanon

    WASP culture is suicidal.
     
    and yet it was the opposite of suicidal before TV and Hollywood became the dominant moral authority.

    weird, huh.

    C’mon people – they don’t want to kill themselves, they want to kill you.

    That’s not suicide.

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    the aggression was turned inwards
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  229. AM says:
    @Issac
    If only you Catholics cared as much about driving out the pestilence of Communism and Pedophilia in your own Church as you did laying the blame at the feet of Protestants, you would see mass conversion to the One True Faith over-night.

    If only you Catholics cared as much about driving out the pestilence of Communism and Pedophilia in your own Church as you did laying the blame at the feet of Protestants, you would see mass conversion to the One True Faith over-night.

    Ha, ha. No, we wouldn’t. Communism and pedophilia are only the last 100 years or so. There’s 400 years of explaining to do.

    But in any event, I agree that the inside baseball of “Protestants caused this mess” is an incorrect conclusion. People are fallen and civilizations go through periods of decline.

    Even if we were all Catholic, I highly doubt we could have avoided where we are now without some other serious soul searching. The experience of “We’re not really Catholic anymore” Ireland attests to that.

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  230. @notanon
    i agree that "expanding the circles of compassion" leads to pathological altruism as a (minority) outlier effect but what percentage of the people engaged in the civil war were doing it for that reason as opposed to stopping the spread of slavery into the western states (primarily for racial reasons)?

    if anglo-saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    the point where i mostly agree with the original poster is a healthy culture requires an active priesthood who consciously see their role as cultural eugenics and which the mainline anglo-protestant church gradually lost - thus allowing hte mass media to usurp that role more easily than in Catholic countries.

    If Anglo-Saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965.

    True. This reminds me of the internet neo-pagans who blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the West, which also started circa 1965. It was a slow acting poison, I guess.

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    Unfortunately by the time mass broadcast media and mass circulation news magazines were ready to achieve full-spectrum dominance, the Rockefeller and similar foundations had been doing about four decades of preparatory work. The nearly unlimited financial resources of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford etc foundations — plus the state and private broadcasters in the US, UK, Canada & Australia — took the world-view of the Fabian Society from the drawing rooms of a few resentful cranks to being practically the only show in town in the Anglosphere. The rest of us ended up getting swamped and drowned out.

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    This reminds me of the internet neo-pagans who blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the West, which also started circa 1965. It was a slow acting poison, I guess.
     
    They're quite of a lot fun. Most of them are atheists who like LARPing and pretending they're Vikings. (Odin for everyone!)

    In the end, they're just drilling more holes in the boat called Western Civilization and claiming that they're helping. I don't think that there are too many of them, though. Formal pagan organizations are off the charts cucked. I highly doubt what I see online as sentiments would be acceptable to them.

    , @notanon
    yes the seeds were there before
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  231. AM says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.
     
    Um....Anglicanism is heresy. That ship-jumping needed to occur 500 years ago in order to be credible. Today it only signifies a desire to avoid the rainbow stole-wearing, openly gay priest.

    The problem with the Catholic Neotraditionalists like George Weigel and presumably yourself, AM, is that they reduce all their theology to its cultural embodiments, and metaphysics or theology as such plays no part in it. If these people whom you've read about actually cared about being correct, they would have abandoned their Anglicanism in their early adulthood like Ronald Knox, which is to say, as soon as they were capable of reflecting upon its theological errors. The fact that they are willing to switch creeds now only to avoid the cultural rot, while doing so is good in itself, actually displays a lack of genuine religious attitude. (Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way, commit an equal and opposite error by stubbornly sticking with the institutional Church despite it having adopted the heresies of Vatican II.) If the implication is that they would have gone happily along with the Church of England as long as she continued to look and act high-church conservative, their principled stand against heresy is less than convincing.

    The problem with the Catholic Neotraditionalists like George Weigel and presumably yourself, AM, is that they reduce all their theology to its cultural embodiments, and metaphysics or theology as such plays no part in it.

    No, not really. Still smarting over not getting that theology right with dude with the 100 kids? Sorry.

    Um….Anglicanism is heresy.

    Anglicanism is more schism than heresy. The only heresy introduced was the divorce that King Henry the VIII wanted. The schism was rejecting papal authority.

    CS Lewis had difficultly getting married to a divorced woman in the 1940′s, because culturally the Catholic morals had still held all the way until then. I went to both Catholic and Episcopalian Masses as a kid on Christmas…and basically it was the same format, but the Episcopalian Mass was nicer. Now with women priests and “rainbow” junk, it’s toast from theological standpoint.

    There was also a deliberate messing of apostolic succession, but I like to think the Creator of Heaven and Earth could repair that.

    (Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way, commit an equal and opposite error by stubbornly sticking with the institutional Church despite it having adopted the heresies of Vatican II.)

    Vatican II did not introduce heresies. Priests and Bishops have used VII to preach heresies, but nothing in the documents changed anything about the Magisterium. Rome is well within it’s rights to change the Mass (the liturgy). VII was not the first time it’s ever done so by the way, it just hadn’t changed things for a very long.

    The bottom line is if you think you’re going to Heaven because you go to Latin Mass, well check in with what Jesus thought about the Pharisees. The reverence for God is with your heart and mind, not the form of the Mass. God is not limited to the Latin Mass, nor in his powers to save to particular human form.

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  232. notanon says:
    @Desiderius
    C'mon people - they don't want to kill themselves, they want to kill you.

    That's not suicide.

    the aggression was turned inwards

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  233. AM says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    You are certainly right about the Anglicans. They love their personal sub-culture much more than they love Truth. That sub-culture is notable for a high level knowledge of the early Church, the Fathers, etc, and usually a good sense of what liturgy is (even when they rarely put that knowledge into practice). And they never left the Anglican sect - they were driven out over the last fifty years.

    The same is now underway in the Church of Rome. The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment, much less the furious denunciation they require. Orthodox Catholics are close to despair: only the tiniest handful of bishops have evinced even the mildest concern over the overthrow, not merely of morality, but of honest argument and logical thought, thus revealing themselves to be ladder-climbers (like Dolan of New York) or rank heretics (like Cupich of Chicago) or plain stupid papolators (like most of the rest).

    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked aweeter.

    The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment,

    He might have been the best of the lot. It’s something to mull over. If a bad Pope is making you question your faith, the faith was always in the wrong spot to begin with. To date, compared to bad past Popes, this guy is easy money.

    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked a sweeter.

    Eastern Orthodoxy has it’s own problems, including the same bleed of young people as Roman Catholicism. I’ve been told that the first question Greek Orthodox tend to ask of is “Are you Greek?” That said, any serious choice of any theological sound Christian denomination in an era like this, is win in my book.

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    He was the worst of the lot, and chosen precisely for that reason.

    The "bad popes" of the past were venal, immoral, sceptical, proud, vain, pleasure-loving, murderous - what you will.

    Except - they were not heretics. This wretch is precisely and wilfully that. He hates the Church, he hates Catholics, he hates Christendom.

    If you aren't fully convinced of that, then you simply haven't been paying attention.
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  234. Svigor says:

    Fredrik says:
    October 10, 2017 at 5:15 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Yes, it’s very odd how some pro-Whites in the US act as though the US isn’t much more non-White than even the least White country in Europe. Their concern is well-placed, but their evaluation of the situation is…very odd. I think it has to do with having one foot in Kosher Conservative resistance to the Islamicization of Europe, and one foot in genuine pro-White politics.

    That said, I’ll put your silliness about Africans down to a language barrier.

    It was suicidal before that too.

    No more so than the rest of the world. Humanity’s been war of cousin against cousin throughout most of history.

    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.

    And now the “pope” is an open heretic.

    Even if the multi-culti propaganda were accurate, it hardly follows that just because something happened in the past it must be good to do now. Unless perhaps they want to justify genocide, for example. Which, oddly enough, in a way they do.

    It’s just the usual who-whom, how do I get what I want this minute, to Hell with logic, rigor, or principle leftism. E.g., the logic here is that if Israel became a nation of Arab/Jew hybrids, that would mean they’d have to surrender to a Swedish invasion and allow themselves to be turned into Swedes; if Haiti became a mulatto nation, it would have to surrender to a Pakistani invasion and allow themselves to be turned into Pakis, etc. The upshot being, mixed peoples don’t have a right to exist.

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    That said, I’ll put your silliness about Africans down to a language barrier.

     

    I assume it's about sportsball and, possibly, musical entertainment.
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  235. AM says:
    @Cagey Beast
    If Anglo-Saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965.

    True. This reminds me of the internet neo-pagans who blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the West, which also started circa 1965. It was a slow acting poison, I guess.

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    Unfortunately by the time mass broadcast media and mass circulation news magazines were ready to achieve full-spectrum dominance, the Rockefeller and similar foundations had been doing about four decades of preparatory work. The nearly unlimited financial resources of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford etc foundations -- plus the state and private broadcasters in the US, UK, Canada & Australia -- took the world-view of the Fabian Society from the drawing rooms of a few resentful cranks to being practically the only show in town in the Anglosphere. The rest of us ended up getting swamped and drowned out.

    This reminds me of the internet neo-pagans who blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the West, which also started circa 1965. It was a slow acting poison, I guess.

    They’re quite of a lot fun. Most of them are atheists who like LARPing and pretending they’re Vikings. (Odin for everyone!)

    In the end, they’re just drilling more holes in the boat called Western Civilization and claiming that they’re helping. I don’t think that there are too many of them, though. Formal pagan organizations are off the charts cucked. I highly doubt what I see online as sentiments would be acceptable to them.

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  236. AM says:
    @Broski
    Your implication that the Reformation was heresy and Catholicism is true Christianity is dubious. Your argument is that only Catholicism can save global Europa from suicide? The papists are the ones who've demanded America throw open her borders to hordes of third worlders because said third worlders are Catholic and can enlarge the Church's shrinking American community. The papists are the ones who've fought every effort to have third worlders adopt sensible birth control policies, again because their real politik strategy is to increase the number of tithe payers at any cost to society at large. The popes, Francis perhaps more than any other, are politicians at the head of a political institution.

    (This is the same "Christianity," remember, that facilitated who-knows-how-many molestations rather than face political scrutiny. That was 10-15 years ago. And let's not forget the women's and children's homes in Ireland several decades ago. These are but two recent of the endless litany of shocking Catholic Church abuses.)

    The papists are the ones who’ve fought every effort to have third worlders adopt sensible birth control policies, again because their real politik strategy is to increase the number of tithe payers at any cost to society at large

    3rd worlders don’t use birth control. They are suspicious of it. I’m sorry to rain on everyone’s parade, but Africa’s problems are not solved by throwing condoms at them. They sit in there in boxes or get used improperly because…get this: Africans are not Europeans. Crazy.

    Anyway, it’s not like America’s issues been solved with contraception. There is sound evidence that wide spread contraceptive use increases rates of promiscuity, disease and abortion. Conversely, married couples are no longer reproducing the population.

    Meanwhile, the Catholic church says, only as many children as you can reasonably support. That’s the actual teaching. That doesn’t sound like tithe payers at any cost to me. And at any rate, the major supporters of any modern church are always old people. Young people have to feed all those children, remember?

    That’s why the Catholic church is not quite going down yet – they’ve lost all the young people (so much for big families) but the old people keep putting their donations. Starting in about 10-15 years the local stories will be nothing but parish closing after parish closing as the old die off. That’s already started in the north.

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    The only heresy introduced was the divorce that King Henry the VIII wanted.
     
    You have Anglicanism wrong here. It is just vaguely possible (or used to be) to shoehorn Anglican theology into an orthodox mold, because Anglicanism (which was really formed under Elizabeth rather than Henry) is deliberately as doctrinally vague as possible.

    If you think the word "heresy" should not be used for the Anglicans that's fine with me. Take it up with St. Edmund Campion or Fr. William Weston.
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  237. These guys should consider trying to revive the old Varangian Guard of Byzantium:

    The Varangian Guard (Greek: Τάγμα τῶν Βαράγγων, Tágma tōn Varángōn) was an elite unit of the Byzantine Army, from the 10th to the 14th centuries, whose members served as personal bodyguards to the Byzantine Emperors. They are known for being primarily composed of Germanic peoples, specifically Norsemen (the Guard was formed approximately 200 years into the Viking Age) and Anglo-Saxons (after the Norman Conquest of England created an Anglo-Saxon diaspora, part of which found employment in Constantinople).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard

    The downside would be be that Deep State sociopaths would decide these guys were a Russian-backed, Christian version of ISIS and then try to entrap them on some domestic terrorism charges.

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  238. @AnotherDad

    Everyone likes to throw around the term “cuck” – according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.
     
    Don't believe this was even remotely common. JC might have seen or heard some tiny examples of this, but it certainly could not have been a common Celt practice as the Celts were a successful people. I'm guessing this sort of "fake news" stemmed from snippets of incomplete information about the Celts (and particularly Celtic Britons) that noted/highlighted the reality that Celtic women did generally have more freedom and more rights than Roman women. But widespread polyandry--no.

    Where polyandry has existed it is usually some condition of extreme scarcity, where a male can't provide to support a wife and her children. I've heard of cases in Nepal's "backwoods"--out in the boonies at high elevation, low productivity land. And then it's a wife shared with brothers where paternity is "in the family".

    Absent extreme scarcity of resources (i.e. land) this is just not going to happen. Any men who practiced it would be pushed aside by men who did not practice it. Any society that practiced it would be pushed aside by a society (men) who did not practice it. The Celts would have been swept aside long ago and wouldn't have even been around for the Romans to fight if they were polyandrous.

    Sex is real. Sexual inclinations, incentives, imperatives are real. Sexual dimorphism is real. Regardless of what the Google matriarchy is claiming. Feminist fantasies are always just that--fantasies.

    In early medieval insular celtic societies (i.e. Gaels and Cymri) who one’s father was was of critical importance, if only to establish one’s standing before the Law. Mother didn’t count for much, apart from her not being a slave. Although if the dad was elite enough, even that could be overlooked.

    They were a bit sloppy about the Top Chads fathering children at random all over, understandable as the super-glamorous military caste tended to have short, violent, peripatetic lives, and big proprietors (“kings”) were not averse to inserting the odd bastard into the broods of their tenants/kinsmen (same thing, that’s how it worked).

    Usually compensated by gifts of cattle, slaves, land etc. and a closer political incorporation with the local power structure, so not entirely unappreciated by the cuckfather oops sorry now blood brother involved, as the whole setup teetered constantly on its Malthusian threshold.
    Of course, being celts, it could easily end in arson, slaughter and generations of bloodfeud if not handled delicately. The serfs naturally didn’t get that choice.

    I think the polyandry story is Caesar’s (informants’), about what he refers to as the “aboriginals” of the interior of the Big Island, allegedly living on milk and meat, dressed in skins, semi-nomadic, and a set of brothers (this is important) “holding their wife/wives in common”. Sounds about right for Derbyshire or Westmorland even now (/jeremy kyle).
    The reason for the “distributed paternity” of men descended from a common father, in possibly relict upland groups under extreme pressure from more powerful, civilized, maybe more “Gaulish” tribes, was the chronic intergroup violence which would inevitably result in crippling numbers of unsupported widows and children, and hence the death of the tribe, if some maintenance and inheritance system wasn’t devised to route round this, as the survivors could distribute the cost burden across the extended family. So direct paternity was deliberately obscured by chucking the chariot keys into a cauldron when the occasion arose, at feasts and I dunno, May Day and Midsummer moonlight raves.
    The same deal occurred among some militaristic castes in southern India, I believe.

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    Caesar was talking about the coastal Britons (the ones he personally dealt with) whom he claimed were the most civilized tribes on the island and virtually identical in culture to mainland Gauls.
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  239. notanon says:
    @Cagey Beast
    If Anglo-Saxon culture was suicidal it was spectacularly unsuccessful at suicide from c. 1300 to c. 1965.

    True. This reminds me of the internet neo-pagans who blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the West, which also started circa 1965. It was a slow acting poison, I guess.

    imo the big change came when the media took over as the dominant moral authority and dismantled the traditional culture (admittedly helped by the aforementioned pathological altruist streak).

    Unfortunately by the time mass broadcast media and mass circulation news magazines were ready to achieve full-spectrum dominance, the Rockefeller and similar foundations had been doing about four decades of preparatory work. The nearly unlimited financial resources of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford etc foundations -- plus the state and private broadcasters in the US, UK, Canada & Australia -- took the world-view of the Fabian Society from the drawing rooms of a few resentful cranks to being practically the only show in town in the Anglosphere. The rest of us ended up getting swamped and drowned out.

    yes the seeds were there before

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  240. @AM

    The victory of absolute faithlessness brought about by the flawed election of the unspeakable Bergoglio has now developed to the extent that the broad winks about woman deacons and then priests recently displayed by the just nominated Bishop of Innsbruck are hardy deemed worthy of comment,
     
    He might have been the best of the lot. It's something to mull over. If a bad Pope is making you question your faith, the faith was always in the wrong spot to begin with. To date, compared to bad past Popes, this guy is easy money.


    Eastern Orthodoxy never looked a sweeter.
     
    Eastern Orthodoxy has it's own problems, including the same bleed of young people as Roman Catholicism. I've been told that the first question Greek Orthodox tend to ask of is "Are you Greek?" That said, any serious choice of any theological sound Christian denomination in an era like this, is win in my book.

    He was the worst of the lot, and chosen precisely for that reason.

    The “bad popes” of the past were venal, immoral, sceptical, proud, vain, pleasure-loving, murderous – what you will.

    Except – they were not heretics. This wretch is precisely and wilfully that. He hates the Church, he hates Catholics, he hates Christendom.

    If you aren’t fully convinced of that, then you simply haven’t been paying attention.

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    He was the worst of the lot, and chosen precisely for that reason.
     
    And you know that for sure, how? There are bishops worse than Francis in terms of open heresies - Dolan comes to mind. Whoever Francis is, he has no taste for direct confrontation to date or he would have done something more than muddle along.

    Except – they were not heretics. This wretch is precisely and wilfully that. He hates the Church, he hates Catholics, he hates Christendom.
     
    That's why this is the first correction since the middles ages. Except that if they corrected a Pope in the middle ages, that would imply he was heretic. Hmm...
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  241. eah says:
    @eah
    Now back to knocking the UK.

    A bit more ammo:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL0aVdPVAAAi170.jpg

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  242. RW says:
    @Arclight
    Anyone else surprised at how similar the figures are for British white and black students?

    I’m surprised that Steve didn’t bring that question up in his post.

    It might be the white immigrants with poor English, but ten years back I spoke with a high school physics teacher from Britain once who said the white students don’t do as well as they could simply because they are content with skilled labor jobs. So why study?

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    Also, the trades have done better during the recession than low-level corporate jobs. Nowadays, the UK 'working class' is clerical, data input, call centres etc, rather than manual. Some private schools are now putting pupils into apprenticeships. There is job satisfaction in manual work.
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  243. AM says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    He was the worst of the lot, and chosen precisely for that reason.

    The "bad popes" of the past were venal, immoral, sceptical, proud, vain, pleasure-loving, murderous - what you will.

    Except - they were not heretics. This wretch is precisely and wilfully that. He hates the Church, he hates Catholics, he hates Christendom.

    If you aren't fully convinced of that, then you simply haven't been paying attention.

    He was the worst of the lot, and chosen precisely for that reason.

    And you know that for sure, how? There are bishops worse than Francis in terms of open heresies – Dolan comes to mind. Whoever Francis is, he has no taste for direct confrontation to date or he would have done something more than muddle along.

    Except – they were not heretics. This wretch is precisely and wilfully that. He hates the Church, he hates Catholics, he hates Christendom.

    That’s why this is the first correction since the middles ages. Except that if they corrected a Pope in the middle ages, that would imply he was heretic. Hmm…

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    Francis is just muddling along?
    As I suspected, you aren't paying attention.

    As for John XXII - he wasn't a bad pope, just a mistaken one, who had the humility to admit and retract his error on his death bed.

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  244. @AnotherDad

    Everyone likes to throw around the term “cuck” – according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.
     
    Don't believe this was even remotely common. JC might have seen or heard some tiny examples of this, but it certainly could not have been a common Celt practice as the Celts were a successful people. I'm guessing this sort of "fake news" stemmed from snippets of incomplete information about the Celts (and particularly Celtic Britons) that noted/highlighted the reality that Celtic women did generally have more freedom and more rights than Roman women. But widespread polyandry--no.

    Where polyandry has existed it is usually some condition of extreme scarcity, where a male can't provide to support a wife and her children. I've heard of cases in Nepal's "backwoods"--out in the boonies at high elevation, low productivity land. And then it's a wife shared with brothers where paternity is "in the family".

    Absent extreme scarcity of resources (i.e. land) this is just not going to happen. Any men who practiced it would be pushed aside by men who did not practice it. Any society that practiced it would be pushed aside by a society (men) who did not practice it. The Celts would have been swept aside long ago and wouldn't have even been around for the Romans to fight if they were polyandrous.

    Sex is real. Sexual inclinations, incentives, imperatives are real. Sexual dimorphism is real. Regardless of what the Google matriarchy is claiming. Feminist fantasies are always just that--fantasies.

    True – ancient literary sources must be taken with several grains of salt.

    That being said, both Caesar and Tacitus rather corroborate each other on the strict monogamy of the ancient Germans (which was explicitly associated with both patriarchy and military prowess).

    Both Caesar and Diodorus Siculus described the Celts as, well, inclined the opposite way.

    (There’s also the remark made by a Caledonian queen to the wife of Septimius Severus, essentially that Celtic women enjoyed openly consorting with whomever they desired – can’t recall what text that’s in at the moment.)

    Overall, the literary evidence is that the Celts inclined to polyandry and matriarchy, and the Germans did not. Also, interestingly, Caesar describes Celts as much more superstitious and given to human sacrifice than the Germans.

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  245. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    A police officer once explained to me that criminals from low SES suburbs may not be intelligent but they have "rat cunning". And having known a multigenerational welfare recipient from a somewhat criminally inclined family, they have been selectively bred to be lazy, but also very good at lying convincingly. They are also quite clannish.

    Stupidity and ignorance are different things though commonly equated. It’s possible to be smart and ignorant, just as it’s possible to be educated and dumb.

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  246. @Expletive Deleted
    In early medieval insular celtic societies (i.e. Gaels and Cymri) who one's father was was of critical importance, if only to establish one's standing before the Law. Mother didn't count for much, apart from her not being a slave. Although if the dad was elite enough, even that could be overlooked.

    They were a bit sloppy about the Top Chads fathering children at random all over, understandable as the super-glamorous military caste tended to have short, violent, peripatetic lives, and big proprietors ("kings") were not averse to inserting the odd bastard into the broods of their tenants/kinsmen (same thing, that's how it worked).

    Usually compensated by gifts of cattle, slaves, land etc. and a closer political incorporation with the local power structure, so not entirely unappreciated by the cuckfather oops sorry now blood brother involved, as the whole setup teetered constantly on its Malthusian threshold.
    Of course, being celts, it could easily end in arson, slaughter and generations of bloodfeud if not handled delicately. The serfs naturally didn't get that choice.

    I think the polyandry story is Caesar's (informants'), about what he refers to as the "aboriginals" of the interior of the Big Island, allegedly living on milk and meat, dressed in skins, semi-nomadic, and a set of brothers (this is important) "holding their wife/wives in common". Sounds about right for Derbyshire or Westmorland even now (/jeremy kyle).
    The reason for the "distributed paternity" of men descended from a common father, in possibly relict upland groups under extreme pressure from more powerful, civilized, maybe more "Gaulish" tribes, was the chronic intergroup violence which would inevitably result in crippling numbers of unsupported widows and children, and hence the death of the tribe, if some maintenance and inheritance system wasn't devised to route round this, as the survivors could distribute the cost burden across the extended family. So direct paternity was deliberately obscured by chucking the chariot keys into a cauldron when the occasion arose, at feasts and I dunno, May Day and Midsummer moonlight raves.
    The same deal occurred among some militaristic castes in southern India, I believe.

    Caesar was talking about the coastal Britons (the ones he personally dealt with) whom he claimed were the most civilized tribes on the island and virtually identical in culture to mainland Gauls.

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  247. helena says:
    @AnotherDad

    Everyone likes to throw around the term “cuck” – according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.
     
    Don't believe this was even remotely common. JC might have seen or heard some tiny examples of this, but it certainly could not have been a common Celt practice as the Celts were a successful people. I'm guessing this sort of "fake news" stemmed from snippets of incomplete information about the Celts (and particularly Celtic Britons) that noted/highlighted the reality that Celtic women did generally have more freedom and more rights than Roman women. But widespread polyandry--no.

    Where polyandry has existed it is usually some condition of extreme scarcity, where a male can't provide to support a wife and her children. I've heard of cases in Nepal's "backwoods"--out in the boonies at high elevation, low productivity land. And then it's a wife shared with brothers where paternity is "in the family".

    Absent extreme scarcity of resources (i.e. land) this is just not going to happen. Any men who practiced it would be pushed aside by men who did not practice it. Any society that practiced it would be pushed aside by a society (men) who did not practice it. The Celts would have been swept aside long ago and wouldn't have even been around for the Romans to fight if they were polyandrous.

    Sex is real. Sexual inclinations, incentives, imperatives are real. Sexual dimorphism is real. Regardless of what the Google matriarchy is claiming. Feminist fantasies are always just that--fantasies.

    I once stepped-in to do a lecture on family structure and I found a video in the library. The film showed men with multiple wives, and that community you mention, perched on the side of a mountain where a woman marries all the brothers. Well. I can tell you that the only woman with a smile on her face was the one married to the brothers!

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  248. helena says:
    @RW
    I'm surprised that Steve didn't bring that question up in his post.

    It might be the white immigrants with poor English, but ten years back I spoke with a high school physics teacher from Britain once who said the white students don't do as well as they could simply because they are content with skilled labor jobs. So why study?

    Also, the trades have done better during the recession than low-level corporate jobs. Nowadays, the UK ‘working class’ is clerical, data input, call centres etc, rather than manual. Some private schools are now putting pupils into apprenticeships. There is job satisfaction in manual work.

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  249. Pericles says:
    @Fredrik
    Yes, things are changing in the right direction. Politicians and media are doubling down on the propaganda but it's becoming obvious there is panic on that side. The Sweden democrats have almost doubled in size in the opinion polls since the last election and more and more people are open among friends, family and co-workers at least. I'd still be careful to tell someone I didn't know but lots of people know where I stand. I'm not alone.

    There is also more and more talk on the 'respectable' right side how to deal with the immigrant problem. Housing, welfare and such for immigrants is now controversial. The incompetence of the police has been for a while. Most of the left is still in denial but I know for sure that many of the older males on that side share the same concerns as many on the right.


    This site tracks Sweden Democrats' poll numbers. Last election was Sep 14 where they had 12.86% of votes. Do compare with the polls and draw your own conclusions for this year.

    http://status.st/

    Election is approaching (September 2018) and the Social Democrats, the ruling party in coalition with the Greens, are running on being tough on immigration. Lol, Prime Minister Löfven is even being compared to Trump in (((one paper))). I’m not sure about the details of this, and it might just be a ruse to head off the deplorable Sweden Democrats, but it does indicate what the electorate cares about.

    Interestingly, the media and other parties haven’t complained much about the obvious racism of this either, as far as I know. Even the traitorous Greens. I’d thus guess the internal polls indicate a big tilt against the irresponsible and destructive immigration policies we’ve had since Reinfeldt.

    The Sweden Democrats, outcasts of parliament, will probably continue to soak up the anti-immigration votes. I expect they will become the second largest party, but I wouldn’t say it’s entirely impossible that they actually become largest. The systemic shock would be immense and I’m not sure they could form a functioning governing coalition, so things then would get interesting indeed. They should also take the opportunity to recruit talent and sharpen their political programs while they’re being studiously ignored. It’s not enough to just be the protest vote party, we want you to build that wall and deport them all once you get into power.

    The opposition parties, nominally of the right, are in disarray. They had a coalition which now seems to be fading. The Moderates, the main right party, just changed leadership, getting rid of an uninspiring incompetent woman, but the new guy appears to be just one of those tax proposal bugmen. Nobody cares and they will be wiped out if they don’t wise up. The Center party, formerly the farmers’ party but now run by Stockholm bugmen with a woman leader rubbing shoulders with the Bilderberg group, seems to be the globalist party. I wonder who will vote for them this time around? Gay pride? The Liberals, almost the definition of straddling left-right in Sweden, appear to be in a coma; they might get some inertia voters but who else? The Christian Democrats were flirting with immigration skepticism some time ago, then drew back from the abyss of non-niceness, and now seem to be drifting.

    The remaining leftwing parties are the ex-communist Left Party, again, probably reliant on nostalgic voters, and the Greens, ambitious globalist ex-communists who, however, embarrassingly almost became a Turkish satellite party a little while ago. They have kept their heads down since then. There is also the spoiler party of Feminist Initiative which drains a couple of percentage points of leftist votes but doesn’t get into parliament. I believe their most recent leader, a negro academic, has been charged with various criminal offences from plagiarism and upwards, and resigned. Outlook is dim.

    Most of these parties are just keeping their noses above water and run the risk of disappearing from parliament by just losing a percentage point or two of the vote. Only the Moderates, Sweden Democrats and Social Democrats are large parties.

    When I summarize it like this, by golly it sounds like 2018 will be a showdown between Social Democrats and Sweden Democrats. Still early days though.

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  250. Pericles says:
    @ben tillman

    Theresa May is good on countering Islam.
     
    "Good on countering Islam" means barring Muslims from entering one's country and deporting all who are already there. How does she stack up against this correct standard?

    I read most every week about mysterious acid attacks, stabbings, runaway cars and bombs in Britain. Maybe that’s what ‘countering Islam’ means?

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  251. Pericles says:
    @tsotha

    “We hold these truths to be self evident: All men are created equal. ”

    To abide by this axiom, one must ignore evolution by natural selection.
     
    That's not what they meant by "equal". They're talking about equality in the eyes of the law - specifically, being born into an aristocracy didn't mean you got extra privileges from the state.

    They’re talking about equality in the eyes of the law – specifically, being born into an aristocracy didn’t mean you got extra privileges from the state.

    And look where they ended up. Everyone gets extra privileges from the state except those damn straight, white males. Founder fail, lol.

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  252. Pericles says:
    @AM

    Catholicism may not be as far gone as the mainline Protestant faiths but they aren’t exactly putting up much of a resistance to Islam.
     
    What's vaguely holding Catholicism together right now is the idea that the beliefs themselves (the deposit of the faith) are not changeable, ie up for a vote.

    The idea is that the truth is the truth and once it's discovered, you can only discover new pieces of it, rather like a sailor discovering New England and then sailing Florida. Whatever it is you discover, it won't contradict or remove whatever was previously discovered, which is why it's not changeable.

    There are other fancier ways to say it, but that's how I understand it.

    Anyway, that concept appears to be our only barrier to completely heading down the path of Protestants. I'd say maybe 1/3 to 2/3 of our bishops and Priests don't actually believe the Magisterium (our term for the deposit of the faith) . Our Pope is clearly an a Islamophile who only tenuously believes in Catholic principles. (A Catholic Priest emphasizing the liturgical importance of Holy Thursday Mass would not wash the feet of women, let alone Muslims. It's this side of insult to Christ to wash the feet of non-believers.)

    It's bit a frustrating to actually not have clear answer to the once rhetorical question: "Is the Pope Catholic?"

    Believing in revelations later than the Book of Revelations is not requirement for the Catholic faith, but if you take Fatima seriously, there's a suggestion that Rome may fall in the near future.

    Italy already has armed guards with machine guns around the walls of the Vatican, as a well meaning country Priest bumbles around washing Islamic feet. It is not inconceivable that ISIS or some other organization could attack the very heart of Catholicism. The Vatican is not that big and it would not take much, in end, even with armed guards.

    If people believed in what the Catholic church teaches and what almost all mainline Protestant denominations taught pre-1960, resisting Islam wouldn't be difficult. We'd be all focused on saving our own souls, we'd know the 10 commandments and what we need to do, and we'd know that what Islam taught was total poo.

    But a staggering number of Catholics, even those who go to Mass regularly, don't believe in Hell or sin or anything remotely like what's in Catholicism for Dummies or what say, Dante or Shakespeare understood to be true.

    In other words, it appears that there a bunch of pagans, to more or lessor degrees, standing in churches, going through motions in most places in the West . So no, as a group, we're not offering up resistance to Islam because that's not what can pagans can do out of their mental framework. We have the tools but we seem to be lacking in proper Christian soldiers to use them.

    It’s bit a frustrating to actually not have clear answer to the once rhetorical question: “Is the Pope Catholic?”

    When I read that Francis in his Bergoglio days had gone to see a shrink, it struck me that that guy is not a believer. And I have seen no reason to change my mind since.

    https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.opens.up.about.his.mental.health.i.felt.the.need.to.consult.a.psychoanalyst/112897.htm

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    When I read that Francis in his Bergoglio days had gone to see a shrink, it struck me that that guy is not a believer. And I have seen no reason to change my mind since.
     
    This is a distinct possibility, that he's more apostate than heretic. I've been too cheap to buy anything, but I'm trying to track down the works of the late Father. Malachi Martin, who seems to have been on top of the concept of an apostate Pope back in the 1990's.

    Waiting on inter library loan on the theory that if my taxpayer dollars are going to be wasted in buying stupid pop self-help books, they can waste them on postage for my reading instead.
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  253. Pericles says:
    @Twinkie
    OT, but related: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/all-lebanon-is-against-them-a-rape-murder-sours-a-country-on-its-syrian-refugees/2017/10/10/afa13010-a792-11e7-9a98-07140d2eed02_story.html

    When ­Syrians began streaming into Lebanon six years ago to escape their country’s war, around 1,000 of them found a welcome in the small Christian village of Miziara, in the pine-clad mountains of the north.

    That was until the discovery in her home last month of the body of Raya Chidiac, 26, a daughter of one of the village’s wealthiest businessmen. She had been bound, raped and suffocated with a plastic bag. The Syrian caretaker at the family’s home confessed to the killing and was arrested and charged with murder.

    The ensuing backlash against Syrians has rippled across Lebanon, exposing razor-sharp tensions between the country’s 1 million Syrian refugees and their hosts that increasingly threaten to open up Lebanon’s own fragile sectarian divisions.
     
    My favorite line from the film "Ronin" is, "At the end of the day we are likely to be punished for our kindnesses."

    By contrast, I don’t know how many rape-murders it takes for Sweden to wake up. Many.

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  254. Pericles says:
    @Millennial
    So now the Reformation was a return to pagan ways, and not "Judaizing"?

    Tacitus - Germania would really open your eyes. Julius Caesar also wrote in detail about pagan German society. Quite the opposite of vomit. Read, and pay close attention to the descriptions of German political customs and sexual mores.

    Everyone likes to throw around the term "cuck" - according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn't care about accurately attributing paternity. Celts had Queens (e.g. Boudica). German mores could be summarized as the exact opposite.

    "...neither from the Samnites, nor from the Carthaginians, nor from both Spains, nor from all the nations of Gaul, have we received more checks and alarms; nor even from the Parthians: for, more vigorous and invincible is the liberty of the Germans than the monarchy of the Arsacides."
    -Tacitus

    according to Julius Caesar, groups of Celtic men shared wives, and didn’t care about accurately attributing paternity.

    How common was the Negrones tribe at the time?

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  255. Pericles says:
    @Svigor

    Fredrik says:
    October 10, 2017 at 5:15 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @songbird
     
    Yes, it's very odd how some pro-Whites in the US act as though the US isn't much more non-White than even the least White country in Europe. Their concern is well-placed, but their evaluation of the situation is...very odd. I think it has to do with having one foot in Kosher Conservative resistance to the Islamicization of Europe, and one foot in genuine pro-White politics.

    That said, I'll put your silliness about Africans down to a language barrier.

    It was suicidal before that too.
     
    No more so than the rest of the world. Humanity's been war of cousin against cousin throughout most of history.

    I’ve read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.
     
    And now the "pope" is an open heretic.

    Even if the multi-culti propaganda were accurate, it hardly follows that just because something happened in the past it must be good to do now. Unless perhaps they want to justify genocide, for example. Which, oddly enough, in a way they do.
     
    It's just the usual who-whom, how do I get what I want this minute, to Hell with logic, rigor, or principle leftism. E.g., the logic here is that if Israel became a nation of Arab/Jew hybrids, that would mean they'd have to surrender to a Swedish invasion and allow themselves to be turned into Swedes; if Haiti became a mulatto nation, it would have to surrender to a Pakistani invasion and allow themselves to be turned into Pakis, etc. The upshot being, mixed peoples don't have a right to exist.

    That said, I’ll put your silliness about Africans down to a language barrier.

    I assume it’s about sportsball and, possibly, musical entertainment.

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    I'm not sure who will read this at this late date, but for you future historian AIs that still process English: the Moderates, the main right party of Sweden, just proposed a tougher policy on immigration too. So it seems they did see the downside of appealing only to the bugman voter. This is a 180-degree turn from the later, disastrous Reinfeldt years.

    Included are policies on withdrawing citizenship given on false grounds; only temporary residency for asylum seekers; a proposal to only allow asylum to be sought outside the EU.

    Well, it's a start, and reinforces the theme of the next election. All three major parties now have a 'tough on immigration' platform. Or at least 'tough-er'.

    In Swedish: http://www.friatider.se/m-r-stade-f-r-sk-rpt-invandringspolitik
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  256. eah says:
    @eah
    Look at the difference in Owen Jones's articles when a Muslim terrorist murders 22 and when a "far right" terrorist murders 1.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFcOK1GXUAAhhQv.jpg


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFcOK1FXYAEmdea.jpg

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    Is Owen Jones an Onion stringer? Can't tell these days.
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  257. Anon says: • Disclaimer
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    The papists are the ones who’ve fought every effort to have third worlders adopt sensible birth control policies, again because their real politik strategy is to increase the number of tithe payers at any cost to society at large
     
    3rd worlders don't use birth control. They are suspicious of it. I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but Africa's problems are not solved by throwing condoms at them. They sit in there in boxes or get used improperly because...get this: Africans are not Europeans. Crazy.

    Anyway, it's not like America's issues been solved with contraception. There is sound evidence that wide spread contraceptive use increases rates of promiscuity, disease and abortion. Conversely, married couples are no longer reproducing the population.

    Meanwhile, the Catholic church says, only as many children as you can reasonably support. That's the actual teaching. That doesn't sound like tithe payers at any cost to me. And at any rate, the major supporters of any modern church are always old people. Young people have to feed all those children, remember?

    That's why the Catholic church is not quite going down yet - they've lost all the young people (so much for big families) but the old people keep putting their donations. Starting in about 10-15 years the local stories will be nothing but parish closing after parish closing as the old die off. That's already started in the north.

    The only heresy introduced was the divorce that King Henry the VIII wanted.

    You have Anglicanism wrong here. It is just vaguely possible (or used to be) to shoehorn Anglican theology into an orthodox mold, because Anglicanism (which was really formed under Elizabeth rather than Henry) is deliberately as doctrinally vague as possible.

    If you think the word “heresy” should not be used for the Anglicans that’s fine with me. Take it up with St. Edmund Campion or Fr. William Weston.

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    You have Anglicanism wrong here. It is just vaguely possible (or used to be) to shoehorn Anglican theology into an orthodox mold, because Anglicanism (which was really formed under Elizabeth rather than Henry) is deliberately as doctrinally vague as possible.
     
    This is why I said historically, Anglicanism is mostly schism. Now, yes, thanks to the open Protestant structure, it's now mostly in heresy which is why we're getting Anglicans jumping ship to the RC.

    If you read CS Lewis, there's nothing there a Catholic wouldn't write. I've encountered Anglicans that are Catholics, with basically a nicer English liturgy, and disagreement about the Pope and BC within the context of marriage. That's it.

    The concept of a God sanctioned divorce and birth control is heresy and I'm not arguing that it isn't either.

    But it's silly (to me anyway) to look at a conservative, traditional Anglican and say "Heretic!". They're far more in agreement with an orthodox Catholic than even Lutherans. It makes sense - King Henry the VII split over politics, power, and money. He wasn't a theologian. (Very English, in the end.) To define a primarily schismatic initial break as primarily heresy is to mischaracterize the difference between faithful Catholics and Anglicans.
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  258. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @AM

    Most political Ulster Protestants have no issue with Catholics from England, or for that matter Poland, or Spain, or most other places; it’s just the Irish ones and, perhaps, some of their Scottish and American relatives who are problematic.
     
    I'm not there, but I could imagine that the old flare ups between papists and protestants has come down several notches as the Church of England slowly turns into a shadow of it's former self.

    I've read about a fair amount of Anglicans in England who have jumped ship to Catholicism simply to try and stay out of heresy.

    Aren’t Ulster Prots mostly Presbyterian or other Scots Calvinist?

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    Aren’t Ulster Prots mostly Presbyterian or other Scots Calvinist?
     
    Could be. I assumed Church of England but the Presbyterians would make more sense.
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  259. @AM

    He was the worst of the lot, and chosen precisely for that reason.
     
    And you know that for sure, how? There are bishops worse than Francis in terms of open heresies - Dolan comes to mind. Whoever Francis is, he has no taste for direct confrontation to date or he would have done something more than muddle along.

    Except – they were not heretics. This wretch is precisely and wilfully that. He hates the Church, he hates Catholics, he hates Christendom.
     
    That's why this is the first correction since the middles ages. Except that if they corrected a Pope in the middle ages, that would imply he was heretic. Hmm...

    Francis is just muddling along?
    As I suspected, you aren’t paying attention.

    As for John XXII – he wasn’t a bad pope, just a mistaken one, who had the humility to admit and retract his error on his death bed.

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    Francis is just muddling along?
    As I suspected, you aren’t paying attention.
     
    This isn't an argument. We have difference of opinion based on the same facts.

    It's also distinctly possible that the body of Bishops is now so far gone that no one Pope can save it. Vatican II was implemented by the US Bishops at the time in way that was never intended and that happened when Francis was a seminarian, I believe. This has been going wrong for decades now.

    So let's assume you've got not Francis, but the perfect Pope up there. (Benedict might have been your man). What would he have the authority to do fix a church that has Bishops that no longer believe?
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  260. AM says:
    @Anon

    The only heresy introduced was the divorce that King Henry the VIII wanted.
     
    You have Anglicanism wrong here. It is just vaguely possible (or used to be) to shoehorn Anglican theology into an orthodox mold, because Anglicanism (which was really formed under Elizabeth rather than Henry) is deliberately as doctrinally vague as possible.

    If you think the word "heresy" should not be used for the Anglicans that's fine with me. Take it up with St. Edmund Campion or Fr. William Weston.

    You have Anglicanism wrong here. It is just vaguely possible (or used to be) to shoehorn Anglican theology into an orthodox mold, because Anglicanism (which was really formed under Elizabeth rather than Henry) is deliberately as doctrinally vague as possible.

    This is why I said historically, Anglicanism is mostly schism. Now, yes, thanks to the open Protestant structure, it’s now mostly in heresy which is why we’re getting Anglicans jumping ship to the RC.

    If you read CS Lewis, there’s nothing there a Catholic wouldn’t write. I’ve encountered Anglicans that are Catholics, with basically a nicer English liturgy, and disagreement about the Pope and BC within the context of marriage. That’s it.

    The concept of a God sanctioned divorce and birth control is heresy and I’m not arguing that it isn’t either.

    But it’s silly (to me anyway) to look at a conservative, traditional Anglican and say “Heretic!”. They’re far more in agreement with an orthodox Catholic than even Lutherans. It makes sense – King Henry the VII split over politics, power, and money. He wasn’t a theologian. (Very English, in the end.) To define a primarily schismatic initial break as primarily heresy is to mischaracterize the difference between faithful Catholics and Anglicans.

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  261. AM says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Francis is just muddling along?
    As I suspected, you aren't paying attention.

    As for John XXII - he wasn't a bad pope, just a mistaken one, who had the humility to admit and retract his error on his death bed.

    Francis is just muddling along?
    As I suspected, you aren’t paying attention.

    This isn’t an argument. We have difference of opinion based on the same facts.

    It’s also distinctly possible that the body of Bishops is now so far gone that no one Pope can save it. Vatican II was implemented by the US Bishops at the time in way that was never intended and that happened when Francis was a seminarian, I believe. This has been going wrong for decades now.

    So let’s assume you’ve got not Francis, but the perfect Pope up there. (Benedict might have been your man). What would he have the authority to do fix a church that has Bishops that no longer believe?

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  262. AM says:
    @Pericles

    It’s bit a frustrating to actually not have clear answer to the once rhetorical question: “Is the Pope Catholic?”

     

    When I read that Francis in his Bergoglio days had gone to see a shrink, it struck me that that guy is not a believer. And I have seen no reason to change my mind since.

    https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.opens.up.about.his.mental.health.i.felt.the.need.to.consult.a.psychoanalyst/112897.htm

    When I read that Francis in his Bergoglio days had gone to see a shrink, it struck me that that guy is not a believer. And I have seen no reason to change my mind since.

    This is a distinct possibility, that he’s more apostate than heretic. I’ve been too cheap to buy anything, but I’m trying to track down the works of the late Father. Malachi Martin, who seems to have been on top of the concept of an apostate Pope back in the 1990′s.

    Waiting on inter library loan on the theory that if my taxpayer dollars are going to be wasted in buying stupid pop self-help books, they can waste them on postage for my reading instead.

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  263. AM says:
    @Anon
    Aren't Ulster Prots mostly Presbyterian or other Scots Calvinist?

    Aren’t Ulster Prots mostly Presbyterian or other Scots Calvinist?

    Could be. I assumed Church of England but the Presbyterians would make more sense.

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  264. Vinteuil says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Perhaps better to have been alive in 1950 - full employment, a health service, decent company pensions, affordable housing, and a low-crime Christian society. If you were lucky you could work your 40 years and retire comfortably.

    On the other hand you'd watch with increasing concern the destruction of the society you grew up in, and the diminishing life prospects for your grandchildren (if any), whereas our 1859 Brit could look back in 1900 on years of improvement (hard-fought for).

    “…our 1859 Brit could look back in 1900 on years of improvement…”

    …and they could & did confidently look forward to even more & better. It must have been wonderful.

    And then came the world wars. Nothing has been the same since then.

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  265. Ivy says:
    @eah
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL8MPzWXkAEUVAA.jpg

    Is Owen Jones an Onion stringer? Can’t tell these days.

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  266. @Issac
    Peterson promotes race denial and warmed-over christian liberalism. It's little surprise he is unfettered by German authorities.

    Not so sure about the race denial part of Petersen’s thoughts.

    Given that his objections to bill c-16 resonate with many people including transphobic individuals, it is unsurprising that many of his fans are reactionaries, who like and support Peterson for his opposition stance to the bill but also due to his view of IQ being a huge determiner of cognitive ability[8] (which the race realist reactionaries love to cite), his views on the psychological differences between men and women[9] (which the sexist reactionaries all love), sympathetic views towards conservative values,[10] being hugely anti-Marxist[11][12] (because it’s not like any other system has caused mass death at all[13]) and for defending Christianity.[14] [15] [16].

    (That’s from a webside opposing Petersen, but it’s correct).

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  267. @william munny
    This is an interesting article about Kubitschek in the NYT, which makes it appear that he has some influence in German politics. True? The American press is terrible at covering internal politics in non-English speaking countries.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/magazine/the-prophet-of-germanys-new-right.html

    It is interesting that the author appears conflicted because he knows Kubitschek is supposed to be a bad guy, but seems personally impressed by his thoughtfulness and seriousness. The few comments are worth a read as well.

    Oh thanks – interesting. And, as you already said: correct.

    That’s the second correct article about Kubitschek in the New York Times. The first was by Christopher Caldwell and focused mainly on Rolf Peter Sieferles little thoughtful and insightful book “Finis Germania”.
    By the way: Sieferles even better book is “Das Migrationsproblem” – with one (small) caveat: Sieferle neglects the heredity of IQ, he wrote as a blank slater.

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  268. Pericles says:
    @Pericles

    That said, I’ll put your silliness about Africans down to a language barrier.

     

    I assume it's about sportsball and, possibly, musical entertainment.

    I’m not sure who will read this at this late date, but for you future historian AIs that still process English: the Moderates, the main right party of Sweden, just proposed a tougher policy on immigration too. So it seems they did see the downside of appealing only to the bugman voter. This is a 180-degree turn from the later, disastrous Reinfeldt years.

    Included are policies on withdrawing citizenship given on false grounds; only temporary residency for asylum seekers; a proposal to only allow asylum to be sought outside the EU.

    Well, it’s a start, and reinforces the theme of the next election. All three major parties now have a ‘tough on immigration’ platform. Or at least ‘tough-er’.

    In Swedish: http://www.friatider.se/m-r-stade-f-r-sk-rpt-invandringspolitik

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