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Because there are so many hate hoaxes in the national (or international) news, it’s worth noting that there really are a number of genuine hate crimes committed by white men each year in the U.S.

Typically, however, they don’t get much non-local publicity because they are so cut and dried: A stupid drunk white guy does something bad while drunk and stupid in a lousy part of town, the cops arrest him almost immediately, his lawyer plea bargains, and he goes to prison for awhile.

What tends to make the national news are “mysterious” hate crimes where “Fear Stalks the Oberlin Campus” and the like. Those have a very high rate of turning out to be hoaxes or delusions. (Delusions are a little understood category: e.g., a lady wrapped in a blanket on a cold night on the Oberlin campus is reported to be a Ku Klux Klan kleagle or a gust of wind blows over a Jewish ceremonial tent at Kansas State and it’s blamed on anti-Semites.)

 
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  1. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The main one I remember recently is that white guy who shot those two Indian guys in a bar. Drunk, like you said, and if it had been a black guy, we probably would never have heard abouu it.

    The only one that I remember since Trump took over that was unusual enough to be a spectacle was that guy who took a sword to New York City and killed that black guy. Still not as violent as that Sudanese guy shooting up the church in Tennessee, which, by the way, have we heard anything more about? Las Vegas kind of pushed that out of the news.

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  2. (Delusions are a little understood category…)

    As many here likely know, Charles Mackay gave it a try in 1841 in his book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

    Here’s a link to a pdf of the out of copyright book.

    Worth a read, as is the Wikipedia entry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds

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    • Replies: @anon
    It's available in multiple formats at project Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24518
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  3. Bubba says:

    Any outrageous “hate” hoax perfectly acceptable to the elites as long as it is directed at white men. That is why a disgusting, unintelligent, highly aggressive, angry black man like Senator Corey Booker can abuse a blonde white woman on camera and get away with it. And not one white male Senator came to her defense.

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    • Replies: @Art Deco
    There is no indication that Booker is unintelligent or particularly aggressive. There is considerable evidence that the local newspapers are lickspittles of his press secretary. It has been known by members of the public and readily discoverable by anyone who cares to look that his voting address in Newark was fictional - a vacant building where members of his security staff loitered during the day. The newspapers never bothered to locate his actual residence.

    (Recall also that Sen. Richard Lugar for 35 years cast ballots using as a voting address a house he had sold in 1977, something a primary opponent discovered and publicised in 2012. I'd love to put the screws to local political reporters in Indianapolis about this: did you never attempt to call him at home or did you know all about this and never publish it?).

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  4. eah says:

    And there are actually hate crimes that aren’t hate crimes. Lots of them.

    Video: Librarian randomly beaten in Downtown Cincinnati. Man sentenced can’t explain why

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    • Replies: @eah
    In other hate news:

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/953384797346283520
    , @Bubba
    Corey Booker taught these thugs well on how to attack white people. They could have been Obama's sons.
    , @MBlanc46
    There are hundreds or thousands of incidents such as this every year. If they attract media attention at all, it is local and short-lived. Colin Flaherty is one of the few journalists who tries to bring them to public notice. And, of course, the elites try to silence him.
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  5. eah says:
    @eah
    And there are actually hate crimes that aren't hate crimes. Lots of them.

    Video: Librarian randomly beaten in Downtown Cincinnati. Man sentenced can't explain why

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc3WIsdTB4

    In other hate news:

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  6. Genuine cases also seem to be punished with a Hammurabian ferocity.

    E.g., the Floridian man who is serving 15 years for vandalizing a mosque with bacon, the White Southern couple who are serving 35 years for organizing a cavalcade of Rebel flag-flying pickup trucks near a black girl’s birthday party, and the Indian boy and his Italian accomplice who are serving 35 years for throwing a Molotov cocktail into a synagogue.

    “Your children will weep for a thousand generations for what I have done to you,” is the judicial mindset for things like this.

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    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The white Southern couple were stupid, but it came out that this was a pretty conventional trashy neighbor fight started by the blacks. Had the whites controlled themselves and called the police the result might have been very different. If we do not get rid of these laws, it is only a matter of time before nonwhites figure out that every workplace, traffic and neighborhood dispute has an "easy button" (provided your opponent is white and does not record interactions).
    , @Barnard
    I don't see how the bacon at the mosque is a crime at all, unless he broke into the building. I remember reading a crazy story from a couple of years ago about shots being fired at an empty mosque somewhere in the northeast but I don't think an arrest was ever made.
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  7. J.Ross says: • Website

    NPR’s reasoning regarding voter fraud and immigrant crime: it happens so infrequently that it effectively doesn’t happen! Anyway, it’s certainly not a wave!
    NPR’s reasoning regarding hate crimes: It’s a wave even if most reports are fraudulent!

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    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Jake
    That is standard for Liberals.
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  8. J.Ross says: • Website
    @MIkey Darmody
    Genuine cases also seem to be punished with a Hammurabian ferocity.

    E.g., the Floridian man who is serving 15 years for vandalizing a mosque with bacon, the White Southern couple who are serving 35 years for organizing a cavalcade of Rebel flag-flying pickup trucks near a black girl's birthday party, and the Indian boy and his Italian accomplice who are serving 35 years for throwing a Molotov cocktail into a synagogue.

    "Your children will weep for a thousand generations for what I have done to you," is the judicial mindset for things like this.

    The white Southern couple were stupid, but it came out that this was a pretty conventional trashy neighbor fight started by the blacks. Had the whites controlled themselves and called the police the result might have been very different. If we do not get rid of these laws, it is only a matter of time before nonwhites figure out that every workplace, traffic and neighborhood dispute has an “easy button” (provided your opponent is white and does not record interactions).

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  9. Barnard says:
    @MIkey Darmody
    Genuine cases also seem to be punished with a Hammurabian ferocity.

    E.g., the Floridian man who is serving 15 years for vandalizing a mosque with bacon, the White Southern couple who are serving 35 years for organizing a cavalcade of Rebel flag-flying pickup trucks near a black girl's birthday party, and the Indian boy and his Italian accomplice who are serving 35 years for throwing a Molotov cocktail into a synagogue.

    "Your children will weep for a thousand generations for what I have done to you," is the judicial mindset for things like this.

    I don’t see how the bacon at the mosque is a crime at all, unless he broke into the building. I remember reading a crazy story from a couple of years ago about shots being fired at an empty mosque somewhere in the northeast but I don’t think an arrest was ever made.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Desecrating somebody's religious building ought to be a crime.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The mosque shooting happened in Connecticut. While drunk, Ted Hakey Jr. fired at the mosque after the Orlando massacre. He abjectly apologized afterward and the local Muslims recommended he not face prison time, but he was sentenced to six months. Hey, could've been a LOT worse.

    http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-meriden-mosque-shooter-sentenced-20160617-story.html

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  10. In one sense, there are no hate crimes at all: Whites should reject the very concept.

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  11. @Barnard
    I don't see how the bacon at the mosque is a crime at all, unless he broke into the building. I remember reading a crazy story from a couple of years ago about shots being fired at an empty mosque somewhere in the northeast but I don't think an arrest was ever made.

    Desecrating somebody’s religious building ought to be a crime.

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    • Agree: rogue-one
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    A crime yes, but with proportional punishment. This guy was an idiot vandal and should have paid a fine and done groundskeeping at the site. P-Riot interrupted a religious service inside the building and threatened to knock over breakable artefacts (even though this is on video, we still hear about them having merely "performed a concert outside the church"); no liberal thinks they should have spent a night in jail. It's not that he was punished but how.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    What about promoting a religion in which the revered god, speaking through his holy book, exhorts his followers to kill infidels wherever they find them?

    Should that be a crime too?

    It's miles worse than desecrating a religious building.
    , @dearieme
    It leaves you with the problem of defining a religious building. For the same reason religious buildings, and institutions, shouldn't get tax breaks. Plus the Constitution.
    , @Jake
    It is: arson, vandalism, breaking and entering, etc.
    , @jim jones
    When I worked in Japan it was obvious that the Japanese are a high IQ people by the lack of religious institutions in the country.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-8758046.html
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  12. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer
    Desecrating somebody's religious building ought to be a crime.

    A crime yes, but with proportional punishment. This guy was an idiot vandal and should have paid a fine and done groundskeeping at the site. P-Riot interrupted a religious service inside the building and threatened to knock over breakable artefacts (even though this is on video, we still hear about them having merely “performed a concert outside the church”); no liberal thinks they should have spent a night in jail. It’s not that he was punished but how.

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    • Agree: Barnard
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    OK, here's a puzzler:
    Suppose a group of FEMEN women dress up in modest garb, including hijabs, and attend a service at a large mosque in NYC. They follow all rules, and sit in the section for women. At some point during the service, they strip to the waist. Suppose someone informs them that their dress is not appropriate and asks them to cover themselves or to leave. Suppose they all leave without objection. Should we regard these women as having committed a crime of any sort?

    Now consider basically the same scenario, but at St. Patrick's Cathedral. At some point they strip their tops off, but leave when an usher speaks to them, causing no scene apart from their partially disrobing.

    In NYC it is legal for women to walk around topless, so it seems there is no underlying crime in either case.

    What should the law say about these incidents?

    (As for myself, I'm leaning towards no crime in either case, assuming that those who ask the women to leave exercise considerable restraint, and that the women do not create a scene via their response, but instead comply. Of course that is not so likely....)
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  13. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    (Delusions are a little understood category...)
     
    As many here likely know, Charles Mackay gave it a try in 1841 in his book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

    Here's a link to a pdf of the out of copyright book.

    Worth a read, as is the Wikipedia entry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds

    It’s available in multiple formats at project Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24518

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  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Desecrating somebody’s religious building ought to be a crime.

    Yes, but fifteen years for a harmless prank is bullshit.

    On the plus side, whites fearing freakish punishment for trivial offenses may be upset enough to want to revolt. Once sufficiently provoked, unlike dindus and camel drivers, whites can be truly dangerous to the people who need to feel scared.

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  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    A crime yes, but with proportional punishment. This guy was an idiot vandal and should have paid a fine and done groundskeeping at the site. P-Riot interrupted a religious service inside the building and threatened to knock over breakable artefacts (even though this is on video, we still hear about them having merely "performed a concert outside the church"); no liberal thinks they should have spent a night in jail. It's not that he was punished but how.

    OK, here’s a puzzler:
    Suppose a group of FEMEN women dress up in modest garb, including hijabs, and attend a service at a large mosque in NYC. They follow all rules, and sit in the section for women. At some point during the service, they strip to the waist. Suppose someone informs them that their dress is not appropriate and asks them to cover themselves or to leave. Suppose they all leave without objection. Should we regard these women as having committed a crime of any sort?

    Now consider basically the same scenario, but at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. At some point they strip their tops off, but leave when an usher speaks to them, causing no scene apart from their partially disrobing.

    In NYC it is legal for women to walk around topless, so it seems there is no underlying crime in either case.

    What should the law say about these incidents?

    (As for myself, I’m leaning towards no crime in either case, assuming that those who ask the women to leave exercise considerable restraint, and that the women do not create a scene via their response, but instead comply. Of course that is not so likely….)

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  16. Bubba says:
    @eah
    And there are actually hate crimes that aren't hate crimes. Lots of them.

    Video: Librarian randomly beaten in Downtown Cincinnati. Man sentenced can't explain why

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc3WIsdTB4

    Corey Booker taught these thugs well on how to attack white people. They could have been Obama’s sons.

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  17. @Steve Sailer
    Desecrating somebody's religious building ought to be a crime.

    What about promoting a religion in which the revered god, speaking through his holy book, exhorts his followers to kill infidels wherever they find them?

    Should that be a crime too?

    It’s miles worse than desecrating a religious building.

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  18. Aside from the hoaxes, there are a significant number of crimes that are motivated by tribal hatred, of course. But a DA or prosecutor charging a crime as a hate crime is pure political theater. The crime is the act, not the supposed motive. Even when the motive is clear, such as when the perpetrator yells a slur or something, it is the act alone that should be punished. The government uses the hate crime enhancement threat to pressure people into guilty pleas, and usually dismisses the hate crime charge. It also uses it to show minority groups that the government is there to protect them. But that just causes people to fear that these crimes occur far more often than they do.

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  19. Art Deco says:
    @Bubba
    Any outrageous "hate" hoax perfectly acceptable to the elites as long as it is directed at white men. That is why a disgusting, unintelligent, highly aggressive, angry black man like Senator Corey Booker can abuse a blonde white woman on camera and get away with it. And not one white male Senator came to her defense.

    There is no indication that Booker is unintelligent or particularly aggressive. There is considerable evidence that the local newspapers are lickspittles of his press secretary. It has been known by members of the public and readily discoverable by anyone who cares to look that his voting address in Newark was fictional – a vacant building where members of his security staff loitered during the day. The newspapers never bothered to locate his actual residence.

    (Recall also that Sen. Richard Lugar for 35 years cast ballots using as a voting address a house he had sold in 1977, something a primary opponent discovered and publicised in 2012. I’d love to put the screws to local political reporters in Indianapolis about this: did you never attempt to call him at home or did you know all about this and never publish it?).

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    "There's no evidence...."

    His career is plenty of evidence.

    There's no evidence you've ever had anything worthwhile to say, however.
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  20. @Art Deco
    There is no indication that Booker is unintelligent or particularly aggressive. There is considerable evidence that the local newspapers are lickspittles of his press secretary. It has been known by members of the public and readily discoverable by anyone who cares to look that his voting address in Newark was fictional - a vacant building where members of his security staff loitered during the day. The newspapers never bothered to locate his actual residence.

    (Recall also that Sen. Richard Lugar for 35 years cast ballots using as a voting address a house he had sold in 1977, something a primary opponent discovered and publicised in 2012. I'd love to put the screws to local political reporters in Indianapolis about this: did you never attempt to call him at home or did you know all about this and never publish it?).

    “There’s no evidence….”

    His career is plenty of evidence.

    There’s no evidence you’ve ever had anything worthwhile to say, however.

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  21. dearieme says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Desecrating somebody's religious building ought to be a crime.

    It leaves you with the problem of defining a religious building. For the same reason religious buildings, and institutions, shouldn’t get tax breaks. Plus the Constitution.

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  22. Jake says:

    Never forget the anti-Semitic waiter who put the hair in Uncle Leo’s soup. Until he or she is exposed and all his or her kin down to 5th cousins, and all their Gentile friends, are punished for at least 7 generations, there will be anti-Semtism.

    And that is intolerable.

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  23. Jake says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Desecrating somebody's religious building ought to be a crime.

    It is: arson, vandalism, breaking and entering, etc.

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  24. Jake says:
    @J.Ross
    NPR's reasoning regarding voter fraud and immigrant crime: it happens so infrequently that it effectively doesn't happen! Anyway, it's certainly not a wave!
    NPR's reasoning regarding hate crimes: It's a wave even if most reports are fraudulent!

    That is standard for Liberals.

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  25. jim jones says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Desecrating somebody's religious building ought to be a crime.

    When I worked in Japan it was obvious that the Japanese are a high IQ people by the lack of religious institutions in the country.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-8758046.html

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  26. Then there was the black guy who shot 4 white guys in the back of the head on a jogging trail in Kansas City because he hated whites. That would be a Ferguson magnitude event had the races been reversed, but as it is, meh.

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  27. Coemgen says:

    Is mass murder a hate crime? Then an Oberlin College graduate committed a hate crime last year (he’s the one wrapped in the white sheet).

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  28. ic1000 says:

    Around here (suburbs of a Rust-Belt city), many of the non-Hate-Hoax hate crimes that gain attention are the result of high schoolers acting stupid.

    In one recent case, a white boy told a joke with a racial punchline to a friend, who was a black girl. “Told” meant “related it on social media.” Apparently the friend regarded it as a nothingburger, but her mom checked the feed on the phone and, outraged at what she saw, called the school administration and the cops. Result: boy expelled.

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  29. @Barnard
    I don't see how the bacon at the mosque is a crime at all, unless he broke into the building. I remember reading a crazy story from a couple of years ago about shots being fired at an empty mosque somewhere in the northeast but I don't think an arrest was ever made.

    The mosque shooting happened in Connecticut. While drunk, Ted Hakey Jr. fired at the mosque after the Orlando massacre. He abjectly apologized afterward and the local Muslims recommended he not face prison time, but he was sentenced to six months. Hey, could’ve been a LOT worse.

    http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-meriden-mosque-shooter-sentenced-20160617-story.html

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  30. EdwardM says:

    Tucker Carlson had a segment on hate hoaxes late night and used the example of the 11-year Canadian girl’s torn hijab. (Which he pronounced multiple times, quite amusingly, as “hajib.”)

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  31. “There Actually Are Hate Crimes That Aren’t Hate Hoaxes”

    And there are “hate crimes” where where the underlying “crime” is something like just barely littering, but with the “hate” aspect multiplying the seriousness of the offense by about a googleplex.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googolplex

    Like sprinkling some cotton balls around.

    Students sentenced for cotton ball incident

    http://www.themaneater.com/stories/campus/students-sentenced-cotton-ball-incident

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  32. Oberlin is a cancer. The college is boycotting a well established town bakery where a black student was caught shoplifting wine. Two black women students came to his aid in a beat down of the shop owner. Police records show that few black have been arrested for shoplifting at the bakery, almost all white perps. But black arrests trumps all law enforcement. The hoax in this case is racial profiling. The only sector that thrived in the Obama/Holder term was the grievance industry.

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  33. MBlanc46 says:
    @eah
    And there are actually hate crimes that aren't hate crimes. Lots of them.

    Video: Librarian randomly beaten in Downtown Cincinnati. Man sentenced can't explain why

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc3WIsdTB4

    There are hundreds or thousands of incidents such as this every year. If they attract media attention at all, it is local and short-lived. Colin Flaherty is one of the few journalists who tries to bring them to public notice. And, of course, the elites try to silence him.

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